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| [00:00:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, as far as I know, ati has no plans to do so, but you'll have to ask them to be sure. |
| [00:00:00] | Ediehow: | i mean when i scroll in firefox |
| [00:00:00] | Ediehow: | while watching tv |
| [00:00:00] | Ediehow: | everytime i scroll, it jolts the video |
| [00:01:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, yeah, you're using your cpu. Run top in a terminal and watch as firefox uses more cpu and myth gets pushed to the side. |
| [00:01:00] | Ediehow: | :( |
| [00:01:00] | billvortex: | ati's 2d accelleration isn't that good eather. This is why most people recommend nvidia for linux. |
| [00:01:00] | Ediehow: | so i hear |
| [00:01:00] | Juski: | Ediehow: just get a nvidia card :) bound to be some sucker who'd buy your ATI card |
| [00:02:00] | Ediehow: | so no ati cards have hardware decoding? |
| [00:02:00] | Juski: | Ediehow: not in Linux |
| [00:03:00] | Ediehow: | i mean, not with gatos? |
| [00:03:00] | Juski: | no, none at _all_ yet |
| [00:03:00] | Ediehow: | hmm |
| [00:03:00] | Ediehow: | well, my card has multi monitor support |
| [00:03:00] | Ediehow: | so i'd need an nvidia one that had the same |
| [00:04:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, they just fixed proper resizing of video via XV, a issue they've had for 2 years. It's very slow to get updated. |
| [00:04:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, most (90%? 95%) of nvidia cards are dual head |
| [00:04:00] | Ediehow: | is there a good card ~$100? |
| [00:04:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, look at getting a nVidia FX 5200 for a cheap one. |
| [00:05:00] | Ediehow: | i just want to know for sure that it's my card that is causing this problem |
| [00:05:00] | Ediehow: | because i plan to keep using mythtv for a long time |
| [00:05:00] | Ediehow: | and i am sick of the multitasking stupidity |
| [00:05:00] | Ediehow: | and i'm willing to buy a new card if i have to |
| [00:05:00] | billvortex: | let's put it this way |
| [00:05:00] | Juski: | spend $50 or so & you won't be sorry |
| [00:05:00] | Ediehow: | wow, you can get the nvidia card for $30 |
| [00:06:00] | Ediehow: | haha, that's only 64mb |
| [00:06:00] | Ediehow: | $35 for 128 |
| [00:06:00] | billvortex: | xv only decoding on myth for me eats ~ 90% of my 2.4 ghz p4, with XVMC it's 5–15% |
| [00:06:00] | billvortex: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121150 |
| [00:06:00] | a1fa: | lol |
| [00:06:00] | billvortex: | asus is a good card |
| [00:06:00] | a1fa: | i have a BFSR81 |
| [00:06:00] | Ediehow: | i thought you said to get nvidia? |
| [00:06:00] | a1fa: | and its not working |
| [00:06:00] | a1fa: | god damn linksys |
| [00:06:00] | Juski: | there's not really that much point having much more than 64mb onboard memory for Linux if you're not gaming |
| [00:06:00] | billvortex: | it is nvidia |
| [00:07:00] | Ediehow: | oh that is nvidia |
| [00:07:00] | Ediehow: | hmm, i found one cheaper than that |
| [00:07:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, nvidia doesn't make their own cards, they make the chips and the designs and then give them to asus/abit/etc to make the cards and sell them |
| [00:07:00] | Ediehow: | that's right |
| [00:07:00] | Ediehow: | i remember that now |
| [00:07:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, sure, but what brand is it? |
| [00:07:00] | Ediehow: | chiefmax |
| [00:07:00] | Juski: | maybe texture memory will become more important if/when the GPU transcoding stuff happens for real |
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| [00:07:00] | Ediehow: | i've had cheap cards with nice chipsets in the past |
| [00:07:00] | Ediehow: | which have been OK |
| [00:08:00] | ** billvortex shrugs ** | |
| [00:08:00] | Ediehow: | what do u think? |
| [00:08:00] | billvortex: | I've been burned. eVGA is a brand to stay far far away from. |
| [00:08:00] | Ediehow: | i can get a 256mb version for $66 |
| [00:08:00] | billvortex: | it was fuzzier then my dog. |
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| [00:09:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, a lot of the quality of a card is based on the filters on the board. if the company goes cheap (eVGA), the picture just looks like crap. |
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| [00:09:00] | Ediehow: | hmm |
| [00:09:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: well, do i need to get 256mb instead? |
| [00:09:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: how will the 5200 relate to my ati radeon 9600 as far as 3d? |
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| [00:09:00] | billvortex: | as for 3d... let me see... |
| [00:09:00] | Ediehow: | 9600se |
| [00:09:00] | Ediehow: | is what i have now |
| [00:10:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: i will have xinerama support, right? |
| [00:10:00] | Ediehow: | i have dual monitors |
| [00:10:00] | billvortex: | xinerama isn't something driver done, that's a x option |
| [00:10:00] | billvortex: | so yeah, it will work |
| [00:10:00] | billvortex: | and you will also have nvidia's twinview |
| [00:10:00] | Ediehow: | well, ati only recently had it working with xinerama |
| [00:11:00] | billvortex: | which allows 3d rendering and accelleration accross all screens on a gpu |
| [00:11:00] | billvortex: | or a few gpu's |
| [00:11:00] | Ediehow: | i thought i had noticed the performance of my tv card went down after switching from my geforce2 to radeon 9600 |
| [00:11:00] | billvortex: | you can throw in two nvidia cards and have full accelleration accross all of them and all the monitors |
| [00:12:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, I have two nvidia cards and three monitors, a 5800, and a 5200. The 5200 works perfectly fine driving two 1024x768 lcds with one of them myth dedicated on 64 megs of ram |
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| [00:12:00] | Ediehow: | i just want to be able to multitask and watch tv without silliness |
| [00:12:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: how does the 3d performance of 5200 compare to radeon 9600se? |
| [00:12:00] | billvortex: | still looking for a benchmar |
| [00:12:00] | Ediehow: | i'd kind of like to be getting a card that is a little bit better overall |
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| [00:13:00] | Ediehow: | although my main concern is having good performance for mythtv |
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| [00:13:00] | Juski: | Ediehow: until such time as ATI get their act together, 3d performance in Linux is of no consequence if XvMC isn't available |
| [00:14:00] | netrix: | trying to use my pvr350 for x, and get the following when i startx "ivtvHwProvbe failed to do IVTVFB_IOCTL_GET_STATE for device /dev/fb0" |
| [00:14:00] | Juski: | wb jono |
| [00:14:00] | Juski: | jono: xmltv problems? |
| [00:14:00] | jono: | Juski, heya pal :) |
| [00:14:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, it's gonna be slightly slower 3d wise, if you want a better 3d card... go with maybe a 6200 or 6600 |
| [00:14:00] | jono: | Juski, yep, it seems to crash out |
| [00:14:00] | Ediehow: | hmm, i was looking at 6200's, but it says those have like 64mb of ram or somethihng |
| [00:14:00] | jono: | Juski, I am building a list of mythtv issues that I need to resolve |
| [00:14:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, they come with more then that. |
| [00:14:00] | Ediehow: | oh wait |
| [00:15:00] | Ediehow: | that's something else |
| [00:15:00] | Ediehow: | s – Asus nVidia Geforce 6200 TC 16MB up to 128mb PCI Express 16MB TurboCache TV Video Card RETAIL Specification EN6200TC128/T/16M Graphics Engine: NVIDIA GeForce 6200 w/TurboCache Video Memory: 16MB/32bit DDR |
| [00:15:00] | Ediehow: | that's PCI |
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| [00:15:00] | Ediehow: | yeah, that's what it is, they are all PCI???? |
| [00:15:00] | Juski: | keep away from turbocache shit |
| [00:15:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, pci express |
| [00:15:00] | Ediehow: | PCI-X? |
| [00:15:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, pci express is what agp is moving to, it's faster and just better |
| [00:15:00] | Juski: | jono: pop yer xmltv errors in a pastey bin fella |
| [00:16:00] | Ediehow: | i am not sure my computer has PCI-X support? |
| [00:16:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, no, that's just a 64 bit pci port |
| [00:16:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, pci-x is not pci-e |
| [00:16:00] | jono: | Juski, I can't now as the box is turned off :( |
| [00:16:00] | Ediehow: | oh ok |
| [00:16:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, and you likely don't have eather |
| [00:16:00] | jono: | well, its on, but it seems the network is down |
| [00:16:00] | Ediehow: | how do i know if mine supports PCI-E? |
| [00:16:00] | Ediehow: | err |
| [00:16:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, if you have to ask, yours doesn't |
| [00:16:00] | Ediehow: | it's a 2ghz machine a few years old |
| [00:16:00] | Juski: | jono: you're not having too much luck with that box are you |
| [00:17:00] | Ediehow: | it looks like 6200's and 6600's are pci-e |
| [00:17:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, there are agp version |
| [00:17:00] | jono: | Juski, I am doing ok, but I am trying to figure out the quirks |
| [00:17:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, and if you have agp, you don't have pci-e |
| [00:17:00] | jono: | Juski, fancy hearing the all great quirks list? |
| [00:17:00] | Ediehow: | Leadtek nVIDIA GeForce 6200 Video Card 128MB DDR 64-Bit DVI/HDTV-Out AGP 8X A6200TDH-128MB A6200TDH-128MB Leadtek nVIDIA GeForce 6200 Video Card 128MB DDR 64-Bit DVI/HDTV-Out AGP 8X A6200TDH-1 |
| [00:17:00] | Juski: | yeh go on jono |
| [00:17:00] | a1fa: | i am all out of jumpers and i need to jump something |
| [00:18:00] | jono: | ok, prepare yourself people:@ |
| [00:18:00] | jono: | How can I record the current show I am viewing, and if I hit record half way in, does it keep the entire show? |
| [00:18:00] | ** netrix gets his frame buffer working. ** | |
| [00:18:00] | netrix: | thanks anyways. |
| [00:18:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: what about that one? |
| [00:18:00] | Juski: | jono: not in the current release |
| [00:18:00] | jono: | is that in svn Juski ? |
| [00:18:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, sure, seems okay, make sure it has two monitor outputs tho |
| [00:19:00] | Juski: | jono: I think so |
| [00:19:00] | jono: | In the EPG, how do I view the currently selected show? |
| [00:19:00] | Ediehow: | how do i see? |
| [00:19:00] | billvortex: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121197 |
| [00:19:00] | Juski: | jono: what do you mean how do you view it? |
| [00:19:00] | billvortex: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143038 |
| [00:19:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, a picture? the specs list? |
| [00:19:00] | jono: | so it jumps to live tv to view that program |
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| [00:19:00] | Ediehow: | http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/produc . . . 2-222-06.JPG |
| [00:20:00] | Ediehow: | that's a yes |
| [00:20:00] | Ediehow: | but they are lying in advertisement |
| [00:20:00] | a1fa: | what does VCC mean in hardware design? |
| [00:20:00] | Ediehow: | they said it's free shipping on pricewatch |
| [00:20:00] | jono: | so it basically jumps to the channel you select in th eEPG |
| [00:20:00] | Juski: | jono: press SELECT |
| [00:20:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: so this card should be good to go? |
| [00:20:00] | Ediehow: | i ask because i'm going to order it now if so |
| [00:20:00] | jono: | oh cool :) |
| [00:20:00] | Juski: | (in browse mode) |
| [00:20:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, it was a offer and it didn't get updated, newegg runs them a lot randomly |
| [00:20:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, it should, quite well, aye |
| [00:20:00] | jono: | Is there an AutoView feature in MythTV, so I can select a show and it jumps to that channel when it is on, but doesnt record it? |
| [00:20:00] | Ediehow: | better than radeon 9600se performance in 3d and stuff? |
| [00:20:00] | Juski: | jono: nope |
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| [00:21:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: leadtek is OK? |
| [00:21:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/05/vga_charts_vii/page4.html |
| [00:21:00] | jono: | Is there a way of jumping straight to the EPG that has the current channel in the top-left corner (instead of pressing Menu, and then selecting it) |
| [00:21:00] | Juski: | jono: wouldn't imagine it'd be too hard to add in though ;) |
| [00:21:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, leaktek is a okay brand, sure, not the best, but okay |
| [00:21:00] | jono: | :) |
| [00:21:00] | Ediehow: | oh, i found one for 59.99 |
| [00:21:00] | Ediehow: | albatron? |
| [00:21:00] | Juski: | jono: I don't think there is |
| [00:21:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, never heard of them |
| [00:22:00] | Juski: | jono: these are $ky features aren't they? ;) |
| [00:22:00] | Ediehow: | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=AGP62 . . . cm_ite=total |
| [00:22:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, the 6200 is a slightly slower 6600 |
| [00:22:00] | Juski: | Ediehow: stick to names you might have heard of |
| [00:22:00] | jono: | Juski, yep :) |
| [00:22:00] | jono: | When currently recording a show, is there a way I can view it by just clicking Watch TV as opposed to going to Media Library -> Watch and then selecting the thing I am recording? |
| [00:22:00] | jono: | thats the final one |
| [00:22:00] | Juski: | jono: nope to that one again |
| [00:23:00] | Ediehow: | hey i can get an evga w/256mb for the same price;) |
| [00:23:00] | Ediehow: | haha |
| [00:23:00] | billvortex: | hey, go for it if you want, but don't say I didn't warn ya :P |
| [00:23:00] | Ediehow: | no, i believe you on that one |
| [00:23:00] | Ediehow: | i am just wondering about this one |
| [00:23:00] | Ediehow: | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=AGP62 . . . cm_ite=total |
| [00:23:00] | Juski: | 256MB RAM, why??? |
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| [00:24:00] | Juski: | not even when mythtv gets its opengl GUI will you need _that_ much GPU RAM |
| [00:24:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, no idea bout the brand, so it's likely just a good card, nothing special. |
| [00:24:00] | Ediehow: | is it OK to spend $10 less than on the leadtek and get that one? |
| [00:24:00] | billvortex: | Juski, for 3d games? doom3/quake4 can use it! |
| [00:24:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, sure, if you want. to me, I'd spend the extra $10, but then I tend to feel it's worth it |
| [00:25:00] | Juski: | 3d games? in Linux? :O |
| [00:25:00] | jono: | thanks Juski |
| [00:25:00] | jono: | myth is getting an opengl gui? |
| [00:25:00] | billvortex: | Juski, sure, rtcw... rtcw:et... quake3... and of course cedega/wine allow a lot of windows ones to play |
| [00:25:00] | Juski: | jono: sshh! (but yes, that's the plan) |
| [00:26:00] | jono: | Juski, wow |
| [00:26:00] | nuonguy: | I need a little help with my saa7134 card |
| [00:26:00] | nuonguy: | Anyone know what's up? |
| [00:26:00] | Juski: | yeh I know.. eye-candy here we come :) |
| [00:26:00] | nuonguy: | I can use it with tvtime but mythtv doesn't seem to use it |
| [00:26:00] | jono: | Juski, is that written? |
| [00:26:00] | nuonguy: | From what I understand, it's a V4L card |
| [00:27:00] | nuonguy: | It's /dev/video1 and /dev/vbi1 |
| [00:27:00] | Juski: | jono: there's a demo that comes with SVN mythtv |
| [00:27:00] | nuonguy: | But in myth, all I get is a black screen |
| [00:27:00] | nuonguy: | Juski: I have SVN myth, how do I see it? |
| [00:27:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: can you tell anything from the specs on that page? |
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| [00:27:00] | Juski: | ermm... I can't remember what it's called now |
| [00:27:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, they are no different then any other 6200's, so nope, sorry |
| [00:28:00] | jono: | Juski, really? wow |
| [00:28:00] | Mulvane: | Does mythsetup at any point rely on the database prior to a mythfill? |
| [00:28:00] | billvortex: | don't think so |
| [00:29:00] | Juski: | jono: mythuitest |
| [00:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [00:29:00] | jono: | Juski, any screenshots of this anywhere? |
| [00:29:00] | ** jono has no svn version here ** | |
| [00:29:00] | Mulvane: | I can't for the life of me figure out why myth keeps telling me it can't find any inputs during the card setup.. |
| [00:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Mulvane: All seetings are stored in the databsae |
| [00:29:00] | Juski: | jono: it's no big revelation |
| [00:30:00] | Juski: | anyway I think it's time for bedski.. been a bit of a day |
| [00:30:00] | Juski: | night all |
| [00:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythuitest was out prior to 0.18 so if you compiled it yourself you might have it |
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| [00:32:00] | nuonguy: | heh |
| [00:32:00] | nuonguy: | that's pretty |
| [00:32:00] | Ediehow: | GreyFoxx: |
| [00:32:00] | jono: | someone post a screenie :) |
| [00:32:00] | Ediehow: | the problems i talked to you about yesterday |
| [00:32:00] | Ediehow: | the same after switching to ati card |
| [00:32:00] | nuonguy: | the screenie won't show the nice transition and all that |
| [00:32:00] | jono: | post a vid then :) |
| [00:32:00] | Ediehow: | they think it's hardware decoding |
| [00:33:00] | nuonguy: | I don't know how to turn a screen capture into a vid |
| [00:33:00] | Mulvane: | Hrm..I wonder if its cause my cxm driver doesn't have v4l..Doesn't seem like it would matter though |
| [00:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | huh? Who thinks what is hardware decoding ? |
| [00:33:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: |
| [00:33:00] | Ediehow: | as ati does not support hardware decoding in linux |
| [00:33:00] | nuonguy: | GreyFoxx: how do I debug this? My v4l saa7134 card used to work just fine |
| [00:33:00] | billvortex: | GreyFoxx, mythfrontend is using a lot of cpu when playing, so when multitasking, it turns jumpy. |
| [00:34:00] | nuonguy: | billvortex: what hw do you have? |
| [00:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ediehow: You have plenty of CPU for sdtv |
| [00:34:00] | Ediehow: | ?????? |
| [00:34:00] | billvortex: | nullman, I have a GeForce FX 5800 and a FX 5200 |
| [00:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | you said it was a 2ghz cpu yesterday, that tons more than you need |
| [00:34:00] | Ediehow: | everytime i multi task in linux, the video stops/stutters |
| [00:35:00] | nuonguy: | what do you mean by multitask? |
| [00:35:00] | Ediehow: | i mean even scroll on the first monitor with firefox while playing mythtv on the 2nd |
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| [00:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | And have you tried this without xinerama at all ? |
| [00:35:00] | Ediehow: | i am not even sure xinerama is being used |
| [00:35:00] | Ediehow: | but i am using ati's driver now |
| [00:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | You have 2 monitors connected and acting as 1 big screen ? |
| [00:36:00] | Ediehow: | yes |
| [00:36:00] | Ediehow: | brb |
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| [00:36:00] | billvortex: | GreyFoxx, my ati card at work has the same issue a bit. it's a huge cpu sink to play video |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | billvortex: Then it's a config / driver problem (in Edie's case) |
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| [00:38:00] | Ediehow: | yeah, fasttls didn't make a difference:) |
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| [00:38:00] | Ediehow: | if i grab my xchat window and move it up and down, the whole video practically stops in mythtv |
| [00:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | try without xinerama involved at all (though you should have plenty or horsepower for that too) |
| [00:39:00] | billvortex: | I donno, xris had similar issues with his ati at work too. Ediehow are you using fedora? |
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| [00:40:00] | Ediehow: | fc4 |
| [00:40:00] | billvortex: | yeah, GreyFoxx for some reason, fedora really doesn't like ati cards... |
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| [00:41:00] | billvortex: | never could figure out why it was so crappy |
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| [00:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well, having never used fedora I don't know what kind of things they may have messed up in there, but it still sounds like a buggy driver or configuration problem |
| [00:41:00] | Ediehow: | GreyFoxx: well, i switched to ati's driver |
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| [00:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | and xvinfo is still show |
| [00:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | Xvideo screens available ? |
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| [00:43:00] | billvortex: | GreyFoxx, do you use ati? |
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| [00:43:00] | Ediehow: | http://pastebin.com/468501 |
| [00:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hell no. ATI under linux is generally a no no :) |
| [00:43:00] | billvortex: | heh, fair nuff |
| [00:44:00] | billvortex: | it's just I know with my work box (9600), it doesn't matter what config I setup, it's just foobared on the driver level. |
| [00:44:00] | Ediehow: | i just want to know that switching to a nvidia is 1.necessary and 2.will fix my problem |
| [00:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ediehow: Ok, so XV isn't a problem, have you tried it without Xinerma at all? On a single screen ? |
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| [00:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | Several people use ATI, they are just in the minority |
| [00:45:00] | Ediehow: | i think so, but how can i do that real quick? |
| [00:45:00] | Ediehow: | here is my config |
| [00:45:00] | psofa__: | has anyone problems displaying osd on xine with xvmc? |
| [00:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | How did you enable Xinerama in the first place ? |
| [00:45:00] | psofa__: | xv works fine |
| [00:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't know what tools Fedora uses for all that sort of thing |
| [00:46:00] | Ediehow: | http://pastebin.com/468503 |
| [00:46:00] | psofa__: | but with xvmc osd has dissapeared |
| [00:46:00] | Ediehow: | there's my xorg.conf |
| [00:47:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, you're actually not using xinerama percey, you're using ati's xinerama extentions |
| [00:47:00] | billvortex: | to disable it, comment out ... |
| [00:47:00] | Ediehow: | ????? |
| [00:48:00] | billvortex: | Option "DesktopSetup" "horizontal" |
| [00:48:00] | billvortex: | that should do it. |
| [00:48:00] | Ediehow: | ok, brb |
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| [00:50:00] | Ediehow: | same problem |
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| [00:51:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, single monitor now tho? |
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| [00:52:00] | Ediehow: | well, it cloned it |
| [00:52:00] | Ediehow: | had it on both |
| [00:52:00] | billvortex: | yeah, same thing |
| [00:52:00] | Ediehow: | i opened gedit |
| [00:52:00] | Ediehow: | and started moving it around during mythtv playback |
| [00:52:00] | Ediehow: | and it started chopping |
| [00:52:00] | billvortex: | easiest way to tell would be to run top while myth is playing and watch the cpu usage |
| [00:53:00] | Ediehow: | gnome-system-monitor |
| [00:53:00] | Ediehow: | gnome-system-monitor: error while loading shared libraries: libgtop-2.0.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [00:53:00] | Ediehow: | hah |
| [00:53:00] | Ediehow: | hold on |
| [00:53:00] | a1fa: | guys |
| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | my boxor is totally fuxor :P |
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| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | i entered the bios |
| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | and i only got half of the bios |
| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | :P |
| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | frozen up |
| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | it wont start |
| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | powersupply keeps turnig on and off |
| [00:54:00] | phoner: | what did you do |
| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | at free will |
| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | nothing |
| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | it worked fine until last night |
| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | well, the hd was giving errors |
| [00:54:00] | a1fa: | but hd diag |
| [00:55:00] | a1fa: | said the disk was fine |
| [00:56:00] | billvortex: | maybe your ps is just foobared |
| [00:56:00] | a1fa: | hm. |
| [00:56:00] | a1fa: | that wouldnt explain bios freezing up |
| [00:56:00] | a1fa: | i think the whole mobo is giving out |
| [00:57:00] | Ediehow: | ok |
| [00:58:00] | a1fa: | what do you guys think |
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| [00:58:00] | Ediehow: | ok |
| [00:58:00] | Ediehow: | mythtv is using |
| [00:58:00] | billvortex: | a1fa, buy a new box |
| [00:58:00] | Ediehow: | 20% |
| [00:58:00] | Ediehow: | of cpu |
| [00:58:00] | Ediehow: | well, there are two mythtv's, one is using 90.8mb and the other 129.3mb and 20% |
| [00:58:00] | billvortex: | okay, so it's not using that much, what is using all the cpu then? |
| [00:59:00] | a1fa: | http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . tCode=246582 |
| [00:59:00] | a1fa: | what do you guys think |
| [00:59:00] | a1fa: | worth the money> |
| [00:59:00] | billvortex: | sure |
| [00:59:00] | Ediehow: | the oonly thing using any cpu is mythtv |
| [00:59:00] | Ediehow: | and it says 18–20% |
| [00:59:00] | a1fa: | i will only be stuck to using 1 PVR-500 |
| [01:01:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, type dmesg and see if it says anything |
| [01:01:00] | Ediehow: | what am i looking for? |
| [01:02:00] | frego: | Hey guys.. I figured out why my frontend and backend weren't talking even though mythtv-setup looked good and so did my sql.txt, and my.cnf files. The table, SETTINGS had a row where value=MasterServerIP and DATA='192.168.1.4' and hostname='mythbackend', but didn't have a corresponding entry where hostname='mythfrontend'. |
| [01:02:00] | frego: | Thanks for your help! |
| [01:02:00] | a1fa: | intel or amd for mythtv :P |
| [01:02:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, anything that seems odd |
| [01:02:00] | a1fa: | i say intel.. |
| [01:02:00] | frego: | alfa> amd |
| [01:02:00] | billvortex: | a1fa, whatever you perfer |
| [01:02:00] | Ediehow: | http://pastebin.com/468514 |
| [01:02:00] | a1fa: | i had amd |
| [01:02:00] | a1fa: | with KT chipset |
| [01:02:00] | a1fa: | and oMG |
| [01:02:00] | a1fa: | i had so many problems |
| [01:03:00] | a1fa: | i dont know if i should buy one of those small cube like |
| [01:03:00] | a1fa: | boxes |
| [01:03:00] | a1fa: | or a full tower, ready for expansion |
| [01:03:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, as root type hdparm -tT /dev/hda (if hda is the drive your root is) and see what the speeds that get returned are |
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| [01:06:00] | Ediehow: | /dev/hda: |
| [01:06:00] | Ediehow: | Timing buffer-cache reads: 456 MB in 2.00 seconds = 227.53 MB/sec |
| [01:06:00] | Ediehow: | Timing buffered disk reads: 86 MB in 3.04 seconds = 28.32 MB/sec |
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| [01:07:00] | Ediehow: | i was going to try booting with default kernel instead of custom |
| [01:07:00] | billvortex: | so that's plenty fast... How much ram/swap is free and being used? |
| [01:07:00] | Ediehow: | and see if i got any difference |
| [01:07:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: how do i determine that? |
| [01:07:00] | billvortex: | free -m |
| [01:08:00] | Ediehow: | free -m |
| [01:08:00] | Ediehow: | total used free shared buffers cached |
| [01:08:00] | Ediehow: | Mem: 504 467 36 0 7 276 |
| [01:08:00] | Ediehow: | -/+ buffers/cache: 183 320 |
| [01:08:00] | Ediehow: | Swap: 258 72 186 |
| [01:08:00] | Ediehow: | as user |
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| [01:09:00] | billvortex: | so you have ram free... a little swapped, but not much... |
| [01:09:00] | billvortex: | huh |
| [01:10:00] | a1fa: | i am so mad |
| [01:10:00] | a1fa: | i have to spend more money on a new system |
| [01:11:00] | a1fa: | not cool |
| [01:11:00] | a1fa: | bunch of my electronics flaked out |
| [01:11:00] | a1fa: | my voip gateway |
| [01:11:00] | a1fa: | my BEFSR81 switch/router |
| [01:11:00] | a1fa: | and now tivo |
| [01:11:00] | a1fa: | err mythtv.. i wonder if its the static in the air |
| [01:12:00] | billvortex: | also known as lightning? |
| [01:12:00] | a1fa: | no |
| [01:12:00] | a1fa: | it didnt rain |
| [01:12:00] | a1fa: | this is creepy shit dude |
| [01:12:00] | a1fa: | my cat is laying next to me |
| [01:12:00] | billvortex: | rain isn't required for ligntning :P |
| [01:12:00] | a1fa: | right but no lightninig |
| [01:12:00] | a1fa: | dude, wow creepy |
| [01:13:00] | a1fa: | my cat is next to me, right, on the desk.. his one eye is close, and his eye facing the ground is open.. and he is staring at me |
| [01:13:00] | a1fa: | wow |
| [01:13:00] | a1fa: | i am gonna go hit him really quick.. its creeping me out |
| [01:13:00] | ** billvortex blinks ** | |
| [01:13:00] | a1fa: | i just flipped him off, and he shook his head |
| [01:14:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: ?:( |
| [01:14:00] | Ediehow: | i don't know what to do |
| [01:14:00] | psofa__: | anyone here using xine with xvmc? i dont get osd.plain xv works fine |
| [01:14:00] | netrix: | if i am using ivtvdev as my xorg driver should i still turn on the 'use pvr-350's tv-out' in mythfrontend? |
| [01:14:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, as of now, my money would still be on the ati card, but it could be just a bad install of the distro |
| [01:15:00] | Ediehow: | let me try a default distro |
| [01:15:00] | Ediehow: | err |
| [01:15:00] | Ediehow: | kernel |
| [01:15:00] | Ediehow: | brb |
| [01:15:00] | billvortex: | psofa__, xvmc does odd things with overlays. for example, mine in myth turn to greyscale from color when I use xvmc |
| [01:15:00] | psofa__: | :( |
| [01:16:00] | psofa__: | nvidia or nv? |
| [01:16:00] | billvortex: | nvidia |
| [01:16:00] | a1fa: | 48x cdrw rulez |
| [01:16:00] | psofa__: | have you tried nv with it? |
| [01:16:00] | a1fa: | wow |
| [01:16:00] | billvortex: | psofa__, no I havn't. I didn't think the nv driver supported xvmc yet |
| [01:18:00] | psofa__: | someone told me it does |
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| [01:35:00] | a1fa: | guys |
| [01:35:00] | a1fa: | debian is forcing fsck check on every boot |
| [01:36:00] | a1fa: | i tried to tune2fs -c 100 -C 0 |
| [01:36:00] | a1fa: | but it still forces a check on everyboot |
| [01:36:00] | netrix: | can any one give me some quick pointers to get the pvr350 remote working with mythtv? |
| [01:36:00] | a1fa: | it just started happening with the new kernel update on unstable |
| [01:36:00] | a1fa: | i cant go back, bcos they didnt change the version |
| [01:36:00] | a1fa: | 2.6.14-2-k7 |
| [01:36:00] | a1fa: | updated to 2.6.14-2-k7 |
| [01:36:00] | a1fa: | bastards |
| [01:38:00] | Wabush: | hi GreyFoxx? |
| [01:38:00] | billvortex: | a1fa, what distro? |
| [01:38:00] | billvortex: | ooh, debian... nm |
| [01:39:00] | a1fa: | debian unstable |
| [01:39:00] | a1fa: | it focked me up bad |
| [01:39:00] | a1fa: | now i am doing wd diag |
| [01:39:00] | a1fa: | extended test |
| [01:39:00] | a1fa: | to see if the hd is bad |
| [01:39:00] | a1fa: | nothing |
| [01:39:00] | a1fa: | the hard drive is fine |
| [01:39:00] | a1fa: | next thing is |
| [01:39:00] | a1fa: | i am going to open the box and fuck with jumpers |
| [01:40:00] | billvortex: | doesn't mean the filesystem on the drive is right |
| [01:40:00] | ** billvortex blinks ** | |
| [01:40:00] | a1fa: | make sure the cable is ATA |
| [01:40:00] | a1fa: | billvortex: fsck says it is |
| [01:40:00] | a1fa: | no errors |
| [01:40:00] | billvortex: | a1fa, if it never gets marked clean, then it woudl do what you are describing |
| [01:40:00] | a1fa: | make sure my cable is ATA100 set to Master |
| [01:40:00] | eiggirC: | aww poohs... myth recorded 41 minutes of a movie then stopped. |
| [01:40:00] | a1fa: | what do you mean? |
| [01:40:00] | eiggirC: | can mythtv not record across midnight? |
| [01:40:00] | a1fa: | sure can |
| [01:40:00] | billvortex: | there is a clean flag on the filesystem |
| [01:40:00] | eiggirC: | thanks |
| [01:41:00] | a1fa: | yeah.. how do you set it? |
| [01:41:00] | eiggirC: | I suspect my epg data stopped at midnight then |
| [01:41:00] | billvortex: | if it's set to not clean, and never set to clean, it would force a fsck |
| [01:41:00] | billvortex: | uhh |
| [01:41:00] | billvortex: | one of the e2fs utils |
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| [01:42:00] | a1fa: | ah |
| [01:42:00] | a1fa: | anybody using mythphoner |
| [01:42:00] | a1fa: | i am about to launch my pbx |
| [01:42:00] | a1fa: | internet facing pbx |
| [01:42:00] | a1fa: | so many things to fix |
| [01:42:00] | a1fa: | and 0 time |
| [01:43:00] | a1fa: | i am gonna go checkup on that extended test |
| [01:45:00] | a1fa: | 4 min left no errors |
| [01:45:00] | a1fa: | thanks debian |
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| [01:50:00] | poonj: | hey guys |
| [01:50:00] | poonj: | anyone here get it so that the TV-out on the video card can act as the monitor |
| [01:50:00] | poonj: | during bootup |
| [01:50:00] | netrix: | yup. |
| [01:50:00] | nuonguy: | yeah, me |
| [01:50:00] | netrix: | just did it. |
| [01:51:00] | netrix: | like five minutes ago too. |
| [01:51:00] | poonj: | netrix, is there a howto on that? |
| [01:51:00] | netrix: | there is some info scattered around. |
| [01:51:00] | nuonguy: | I have FC4, geforce fx 5200 with nvidia-glx installed, and I don't have tto make any config to make it work at all |
| [01:51:00] | netrix: | i read a few while i was doing it. |
| [01:51:00] | poonj: | you mind sending me those links? |
| [01:52:00] | netrix: | sure. |
| [01:52:00] | nuonguy: | The caveat being that I unplug my monitor and plug in only the TV while I boot |
| [01:52:00] | netrix: | poonj: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=XDriverHowTo |
| [01:52:00] | netrix: | poonj: |
| [01:52:00] | netrix: | poonj: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2003 . . . /019431.html (old) |
| [01:52:00] | a1fa: | nuonguy: english problem |
| [01:52:00] | nuonguy: | alfa: eh? |
| [01:53:00] | netrix: | poonj: first one was the best. |
| [01:53:00] | poonj: | netrix: was it a lot of work? |
| [01:53:00] | netrix: | poonj: nah... pretty easy. had it working in no time. |
| [01:53:00] | netrix: | poonj: trying to get the remote to work now. |
| [01:53:00] | poonj: | netrix: |
| [01:54:00] | poonj: | I have a videocard with tv out.. |
| [01:54:00] | poonj: | is this what you did? |
| [01:54:00] | nuonguy: | alfa: what english problem? |
| [01:54:00] | netrix: | poonj: i am using the pvr350 as my frame buffer. so the agp card in there is just dead weight now. |
| [01:55:00] | poonj: | wait |
| [01:55:00] | poonj: | the PVR350 has tvout? |
| [01:55:00] | netrix: | poonj: this mythtv box is a gift, so it wont have a monitor or kybd or mouse on it. just straight to the tv. |
| [01:55:00] | netrix: | poonj: yeah. |
| [01:55:00] | poonj: | I'm using a PVR-500 |
| [01:55:00] | netrix: | ah! |
| [01:55:00] | netrix: | i have one of those to, in my other box. |
| [01:55:00] | poonj: | I'm confused |
| [01:56:00] | poonj: | I was thinking of hooking up the box to the TV through the video card |
| [01:56:00] | a1fa: | pvr-500 r0xor |
| [01:56:00] | poonj: | that has a RCA out |
| [01:56:00] | poonj: | is that the way to do it? |
| [01:56:00] | netrix: | poonj: sorry i am confusing you. |
| [01:56:00] | netrix: | if you want to use the tv out on your video card you will have to see what needs to be done with that card to make it work. |
| [01:56:00] | poonj: | okay |
| [01:56:00] | poonj: | I have a nvidia video card |
| [01:56:00] | poonj: | and I'm using nvtv |
| [01:56:00] | netrix: | alfa: i want another pvr500. |
| [01:56:00] | poonj: | I'm hoping that works.. |
| [01:57:00] | poonj: | is that the way to go? |
| [01:57:00] | netrix: | poonj: the only problem i think you will have is you will have to lower your resolution when you have tvout turned on. |
| [01:57:00] | poonj: | yeah, but thats throgh the TV |
| [01:58:00] | poonj: | well |
| [01:58:00] | poonj: | the thing is |
| [01:58:00] | poonj: | I want this to boot using just the TV |
| [01:58:00] | netrix: | ah ... i do somehting similar but with an ati9000 connected to a 54" rear projection sony. |
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| [02:00:00] | opello: | ok, so i have 2 recordings ending now (8pm cst) and another recording starting at 8pm cst, but it says it won't get recorded |
| [02:00:00] | opello: | why's that |
| [02:00:00] | opello: | it's even on the same channel as one of the other recordings ... |
| [02:00:00] | tanq: | maybe you need to end a little before |
| [02:01:00] | dev-: | did you deposit 50cents? |
| [02:01:00] | tanq: | or start a little late |
| [02:01:00] | tanq: | heh dev- |
| [02:01:00] | poonj: | netrix |
| [02:01:00] | poonj: | so is that feasible? |
| [02:01:00] | opello: | i figured it would be automatic |
| [02:01:00] | netrix: | yep. |
| [02:01:00] | netrix: | poonj: it is. |
| [02:01:00] | tanq: | i finally got my box configured to boot straight into mythtv |
| [02:02:00] | netrix: | poonj: as long as you can your tv out working it will be fine. |
| [02:02:00] | tanq: | now i need to add a button to power down the box and one to reset mythfrontend |
| [02:02:00] | tanq: | maybe like hit the power button like 5 times or something |
| [02:02:00] | tanq: | s/like//g |
| [02:03:00] | tanq: | gag me with a spoon |
| [02:03:00] | tanq: | sheesh.. i think my wife says like too much |
| [02:03:00] | tanq: | now i'm doing it |
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| [02:06:00] | poonj: | netrix: okay...its not detectted |
| [02:06:00] | poonj: | is that what glx is for? |
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| [02:08:00] | netrix: | poonj: hit google and see if you can dig up any information about how to make your tvout work. |
| [02:08:00] | netrix: | poonj: i've only use the ati tv out stuff. |
| [02:09:00] | a1fa: | ok back |
| [02:09:00] | a1fa: | mythtv is back up |
| [02:09:00] | a1fa: | no more fscking check-ups on every boot |
| [02:10:00] | a1fa: | hda: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| [02:10:00] | a1fa: | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| [02:10:00] | a1fa: | hda: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x58 { DriveReady hda: dma_intr: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| [02:10:00] | a1fa: | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| [02:10:00] | a1fa: | but i get this error, still |
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| [02:15:00] | jcsmith: | alfa: sounds like the drive may not be healthy |
| [02:15:00] | jcsmith: | have you tried running diagnostics on it? |
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| [02:23:00] | a1fa: | hey |
| [02:23:00] | a1fa: | is anybody making FM support for mythtv |
| [02:23:00] | a1fa: | it would be nice if there was also a rip fm stream option :P |
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| [02:25:00] | tanq: | you mean there isnt a tv plugin for it? |
| [02:25:00] | a1fa: | there is? |
| [02:25:00] | a1fa: | it would be nice ya know |
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| [02:25:00] | a1fa: | if i can listen to radio.. |
| [02:25:00] | a1fa: | waste of 150 tuner if i cant listen to radio |
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| [02:28:00] | Ediehow: | billvortex: :( |
| [02:28:00] | Ediehow: | i tried different kernel |
| [02:28:00] | Servo888: | Can I use xdpyinfo to set the resolution I want (dpi resoluton)? |
| [02:28:00] | Ediehow: | same thing |
| [02:28:00] | Servo888: | grr wrong channel |
| [02:28:00] | billvortex: | hihi |
| [02:29:00] | billvortex: | Ediehow, if I was you, I would swap cards, but I can't garentee it will help |
| [02:29:00] | Ediehow: | i just don't get it |
| [02:29:00] | Ediehow: | it's not just myth |
| [02:29:00] | Ediehow: | it's gmplayer |
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| [02:29:00] | Ediehow: | etc |
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| [02:30:00] | billvortex: | poonj, glx is opengl |
| [02:30:00] | poonj: | thats what i thought |
| [02:30:00] | poonj: | but its something else, i found it on the nvidia driver readme |
| [02:30:00] | billvortex: | poonj, what are you looking for? |
| [02:31:00] | a1fa: | due |
| [02:31:00] | a1fa: | evrytime i change a channel |
| [02:31:00] | a1fa: | the sound is out of sync |
| [02:31:00] | a1fa: | WTF |
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| [02:39:00] | netrix: | can anyone help me getting a the grey pvr 350 remote working with myth? |
| [02:39:00] | a1fa: | hey |
| [02:40:00] | a1fa: | netrix download lirc |
| [02:40:00] | netrix: | i did. |
| [02:40:00] | a1fa: | and compile it with pvr-350 support |
| [02:40:00] | a1fa: | make config |
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| [02:42:00] | netrix: | alfa: compiled and installed. |
| [02:42:00] | netrix: | alfa: i take it you mean select tv card and then hauppage tv. |
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| [02:49:00] | a1fa: | yup |
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| [02:49:00] | a1fa: | do you have the .lirc file? |
| [02:50:00] | netrix: | nope. |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa: | /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa: | the |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa: | u need |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa: | setup for that remote |
| [02:50:00] | netrix: | i have been searching online for one. |
| [02:51:00] | netrix: | haven't found one yet. |
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| [02:59:00] | a1fa: | make your own |
| [03:00:00] | a1fa: | or ask somebody for one |
| [03:00:00] | a1fa: | ;P |
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| [03:00:00] | a1fa: | i am out |
| [03:00:00] | netrix: | seeya |
| [03:01:00] | netrix: | thanks for the help. |
| [03:01:00] | jonK: | for the gray pvr3540? |
| [03:02:00] | dev-: | the upgraded model ;) |
| [03:02:00] | netrix: | yeah. |
| [03:03:00] | jonK: | where you want me to send it |
| [03:05:00] | jonK: | and do you need the .lircrc file or the lirc.conf file as well? |
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| [03:15:00] | hadees: | what kind of remote control is everyone using with mythtv? |
| [03:15:00] | hadees: | I have a Niveus remote |
| [03:16:00] | hadees: | but I am trying to so see if there are better ones because the Niveus just does'nt have enough buttons |
| [03:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | Same here. 1 Niveus, 1 learning IR remote, 1 Ir keyboard and 1 Hauppage remote |
| [03:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | I was eyeing one of those Harmony remotes today |
| [03:17:00] | hadees: | GreyFoxx, do you have a button on the niveus setup for commerical skiping? |
| [03:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | nope |
| [03:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | I |
| [03:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | 've got a couple I never use that I could map t it |
| [03:18:00] | dev-: | i use the included remote, the hauppauge remote. it has plenty of buttons |
| [03:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I don't use commerical ski[pping |
| [03:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | except manually |
| [03:18:00] | dev-: | i use next & previous for jumping between commercial flags |
| [03:19:00] | hadees: | I really like the Niveus I just wish there were a couple extra keys |
| [03:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | I also don't use the directional pad or left/right mouse buttons. I've been tempted to bind them to other myth keys or jump points |
| [03:19:00] | hadees: | dev-, the hauppage is nice if it weren't for lirc |
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| [03:20:00] | netrix: | jonL: i just need the lircrc, can you pastebin it? |
| [03:20:00] | hadees: | GreyFoxx, I was thinking of that also but it is kind of weird, isn't the Niveus part of a series of remotes like the ATI, are there any others of that series you know of? |
| [03:20:00] | dev-: | whats wrong with lirc? |
| [03:20:00] | hadees: | slow |
| [03:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hadees the x10 LOLA, the Medion remote |
| [03:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | all based off the same base design |
| [03:21:00] | dev-: | hmm, i dont notice any speed problems.. |
| [03:21:00] | jonK: | I'm not sure if I can, I'm using a shell window for irc |
| [03:21:00] | hadees: | I wonder what the compay is that makes them all |
| [03:22:00] | hadees: | dev- the big problems with speed are in mythmusic |
| [03:22:00] | hadees: | just watching tv isn't that bad |
| [03:22:00] | dev-: | oh, ive never used mythmusic, just use em for tv ;/ |
| [03:22:00] | dev-: | but its alot of tv ;) |
| [03:23:00] | jonK: | woot — think i did it with lynx |
| [03:23:00] | netrix: | jonK: nice. |
| [03:23:00] | jonK: | I use the hauppauge remote for one, and a snapstream firefly for other machines |
| [03:24:00] | netrix: | jonK: just looking at the firefly, nice lots of buttons to map stuff to. |
| [03:25:00] | jonK: | netwrix, did the upload work? |
| [03:26:00] | netrix: | jonK: you didn't tell me what the pastbin link was ...? |
| [03:26:00] | jonK: | the most recent one i'd guess |
| [03:26:00] | netrix: | yeah |
| [03:26:00] | jonK: | geez, how many new ones could there be? |
| [03:26:00] | netrix: | just found it! |
| [03:26:00] | netrix: | thanks! |
| [03:27:00] | jonK: | glad it worked. Sadly, I'm in my office. So had to use a shell connection to the machine at home. |
| [03:27:00] | netrix: | np. you the man. |
| [03:27:00] | hadees: | GreyFoxx, any clue who made all those remotes for those companies? |
| [03:27:00] | netrix: | this should be all i need to finish this box off. |
| [03:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | no idea |
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| [03:31:00] | Fony_Vaio: | hi all. I'm trying to set up mythtv on a laptop using debian sid and a Hauppauge WinTV-Nova-T USB2. Everything is going well in setup, but i have an error whilst setting up sources. terminal says it can't find tv_grab_uk_rt does anyone know where i can get this? |
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| [03:34:00] | poop: | We might tell you if you had a _real_ vaio. |
| [03:35:00] | flindet: | hmm... |
| [03:35:00] | flindet: | after a clean start of X, enemy territory works fine |
| [03:35:00] | Fony_Vaio: | poop: sorry, it really is fony... the thing is so horrible to set up, it makes me want to cry. |
| [03:35:00] | flindet: | it looks like only after I try to play cedega that my fps goes to hell |
| [03:35:00] | flindet: | hmmm |
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| [03:42:00] | Dustin: | how can you decypher what kind of hauppauge card you have? |
| [03:42:00] | Dustin: | it's been a few years since I bought it |
| [03:42:00] | poop: | lspci |
| [03:45:00] | Dustin: | ah I have it outside of the machine.. says it's 878a based .. model 37000 |
| [03:48:00] | Fony_Vaio: | would have helped if i'd actually installed xmltv... heh |
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| [03:55:00] | so_: | kinda excited, wanted a mythtv or a tivo for a long while (now I have both) :) Tivo doesn't work in Canada though :) |
| [03:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | actually they recently started in canada too :) |
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| [03:59:00] | lwizardl: | Hi |
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| [04:01:00] | so_: | GreyFoxx, well it's sorta in Canada, you need a series 2+ (mine is a series 1 I got from a friend) and then you can call the 1800 number, etc, and I think you may be able to get some of the service for canadian lineups (like Rogers or Shaw) but I have starchoice, so I'm SOL |
| [04:01:00] | so_: | I tried setting it up and everything, nice device though |
| [04:01:00] | so_: | this one has a lifetime subscription, could sell it on ebay :) |
| [04:02:00] | W3BMAST3R101: | Yoeth guys. I have a minimal problem i've isolated it to the frontend of my mythtv install the backend is on another machine. What the problem is this. I play a video just fine, but when i try to skip forward it starts prebuffering every sec |
| [04:03:00] | lwizardl: | is there a channel with help for xmltv ? |
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| [04:15:00] | W3BMAST3R101: | any one know of how to fix a prebuffering pause issue? or how to increase the buffer size? |
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| [04:19:00] | Esuirin: | hi |
| [04:19:00] | Esuirin: | billvortex, |
| [04:19:00] | billvortex: | moenin' |
| [04:19:00] | billvortex: | *mornin' |
| [04:19:00] | Esuirin: | i just want to know if i need to buy that card or not |
| [04:19:00] | Esuirin: | if that will fix my problem |
| [04:19:00] | Esuirin: | because i am PRETTY sure i didn't used to have the problem |
| [04:19:00] | Esuirin: | but i don't know if it's due to switching to ati card or |
| [04:19:00] | billvortex: | I would say it would, but I can't garentee that. |
| [04:19:00] | Esuirin: | getting the new computer with a via chipset |
| [04:20:00] | Esuirin: | but i think my old computer had a via chipset too |
| [04:20:00] | Esuirin: | is the 6200 better than the 9600se anyway? |
| [04:20:00] | billvortex: | it's a tad better imho |
| [04:20:00] | billvortex: | look at the link I posted earlier |
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| [04:20:00] | Esuirin: | wait, i thought that was about the 5200 compared to radeon 9600se |
| [04:20:00] | Esuirin: | is it possible my problem is due to via chipset and linux? |
| [04:21:00] | so_: | looking for a video card suggestion, right now I'm leaning towards the ATI 9250, it's about $30-$40, shouldn't be a problem I don't think |
| [04:21:00] | billvortex: | it could be, it could be a lot of things |
| [04:21:00] | billvortex: | so_, get a nvidia. |
| [04:21:00] | so_: | any good cheap ones out there |
| [04:21:00] | billvortex: | Esuirin, it could be so many things... |
| [04:21:00] | billvortex: | so_, fx 5200 is in your price range |
| [04:21:00] | billvortex: | Esuirin, 6200 is faster, sorry. not a big boost, but a boost none the less |
| [04:22:00] | Esuirin: | what about that turbocache stuff? |
| [04:22:00] | Esuirin: | billvortex, i will definitely have hardware decoding for mpeg right? |
| [04:22:00] | billvortex: | turbo cache is only for pci-e cards, and it's not /that/ bad for workstations, but don't get it for gaming |
| [04:22:00] | billvortex: | Esotericisms, yes, you will have xvmc |
| [04:23:00] | Esuirin: | man |
| [04:23:00] | Esuirin: | $49.99 |
| [04:23:00] | so_: | billvortex, cheapest fx5200 is about $30 more, but you figure I'll have better luck with it? |
| [04:23:00] | billvortex: | so_, oh? |
| [04:23:00] | so_: | just doing the price checking now |
| [04:23:00] | billvortex: | and yeah, nvidia under linux is worlds better then ati |
| [04:23:00] | so_: | I have matrox/nvidia right now, I agree there |
| [04:24:00] | billvortex: | so_, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . 0&Go.y=0 |
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| [04:28:00] | Esuirin: | shoot! |
| [04:28:00] | Esuirin: | i can't find that $59.99 one from earlier |
| [04:28:00] | Esuirin: | i wonder why the px ones are cheaper than agp |
| [04:29:00] | billvortex: | the pci-e ones with turbo cache tend to be cheaper, as there's way less ram on them. they only have say 8 or 16 megs, and use 64/128 megs of system ram for the gpu |
| [04:29:00] | Esuirin: | found it |
| [04:29:00] | Esuirin: | oh that's trashy |
| [04:29:00] | Esuirin: | like integrated ones almost |
| [04:30:00] | Esuirin: | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=AGP62 . . . cm_ite=total |
| [04:30:00] | Esuirin: | so you think that one should be coo? |
| [04:30:00] | billvortex: | yeah, should be |
| [04:31:00] | so_: | billvortex, s-video out only? or can I get composite from that? |
| [04:31:00] | billvortex: | so_, hrm. Should be a way. Not sure if that's with a converter or how that is... |
| [04:31:00] | so_: | yeah, that makes my ati choice a bit nicer |
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| [04:32:00] | billvortex: | other then the lack of hardware accellerated mpeg decoding... |
| [04:32:00] | so_: | I'll have to go binary drivers, but not too worried about it |
| [04:32:00] | so_: | Yeah I know, I want the WinTV 150 since I have a satellite box |
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| [04:32:00] | so_: | plus it was $50 off :) |
| [04:32:00] | billvortex: | so_, I have I ati card at work, and it's been no end of issues |
| [04:32:00] | billvortex: | so_, decoding, for example, playback |
| [04:33:00] | billvortex: | so_, you get xv with ati, and xv and xvmc with nvidia, xvmc is very cool. offloads decoding onto the gpu rather then the cpu |
| [04:35:00] | Esuirin: | ok, ordered that card |
| [04:35:00] | Esuirin: | billvortex, what do i need to do? get nvidia's driver |
| [04:35:00] | Esuirin: | does it have a setup program? |
| [04:36:00] | billvortex: | Esuirin, yes it does. nvidia.com just download it and run it and it does the rest |
| [04:39:00] | Esuirin: | err, do i choose for linux ia32? |
| [04:40:00] | Esuirin: | linux ia32, linux amd64/em64t, and linux ia64 |
| [04:40:00] | Esuirin: | i am guessing ia32? |
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| [04:41:00] | so_: | billvortex, I'll have to look to see the price on SVideo to RCA cables $40 card http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vg . . . .php?UID=609 |
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| [04:42:00] | billvortex: | mai are good cards. |
| [04:42:00] | billvortex: | Esuirin, yeah, ia32 |
| [04:47:00] | so_: | so I can find a zillion $10 Xbox/PS2 etc to Svideo and back cables...a simple SV to Comp comable... :) |
| [04:47:00] | so_: | usually have to pound the street for this stuff, tomorrow probably |
| [04:47:00] | so_: | find it in a dollar bin a walmart or something |
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| [04:49:00] | k-man: | hey guys |
| [04:49:00] | k-man: | is there a way to auto mount a samba share under linux? |
| [04:50:00] | so_: | smbfs/cifs in /etc/fstab |
| [04:51:00] | so_: | man mount |
| [04:53:00] | so_: | I can work out the exact syntax for /etc/fstab if you need me to |
| [04:55:00] | billvortex: | k-man, I would recommend nfs if it's a linux-linux mount |
| [04:55:00] | billvortex: | so_, yeah, hopefully it will work out for you. |
| [04:55:00] | so_: | I'm thinking he wants to mount a windows box on his myth box |
| [04:56:00] | so_: | billvortex, looks like Circuit City/The Source/Radio Shack has something in the $20 range, added to a $50 video card...hmmm I'll dig around in my friends spare video card pile tomorrow |
| [04:57:00] | ** billvortex nods ** | |
| [04:57:00] | k-man: | billvortex, no, its a windows share i want to mount |
| [04:57:00] | billvortex: | I was sure mine came with a svideo adapter thing, but I can't find it |
| [04:57:00] | k-man: | whats cifs? |
| [04:57:00] | billvortex: | cifs is the new smbfs |
| [04:57:00] | k-man: | oh? |
| [04:57:00] | so_: | k-man, same as smb it went through a name/code change |
| [04:58:00] | k-man: | when was that? |
| [04:58:00] | so_: | it's a microsoft thing |
| [04:58:00] | so_: | years ago :) |
| [04:58:00] | k-man: | oh |
| [04:58:00] | k-man: | right |
| [04:58:00] | k-man: | thanks for pointing that out to me :) |
| [04:58:00] | billvortex: | it's more effecent and all that jazz in theory |
| [04:58:00] | k-man: | what about automount? |
| [04:58:00] | k-man: | will that do it? |
| [04:58:00] | billvortex: | donno |
| [04:58:00] | billvortex: | fstab would be the place tho |
| [04:58:00] | so_: | k-man, I usually just put it in /etc/fstab ... the syntax is a bit arcane but not too bad |
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| [04:59:00] | billvortex: | /christina/mythtv /mnt/tv smbfs rw,password= 0 0 |
| [04:59:00] | billvortex: | example from mine |
| [04:59:00] | k-man: | so_ can you show me what you mean? |
| [04:59:00] | billvortex: | there's two // on the start, irc ate one |
| [04:59:00] | k-man: | billvortex, yes, i have that already and that works fine |
| [04:59:00] | k-man: | my problem is that if //windowsbox/myshare is shutdown and then restarted, the share no longer works under linux |
| [05:00:00] | k-man: | and i have to unmount and remount it |
| [05:00:00] | billvortex: | ahh, yeah... |
| [05:00:00] | k-man: | and then it works again |
| [05:00:00] | billvortex: | I'm not sure how to get around that... automount might be the answer, but I never used it |
| [05:00:00] | k-man: | i'd like it to just work |
| [05:01:00] | so_: | k-man, have a look at the man pages for smbmount/mount like ... \\myserver\directory /myth/samba smbfs username=user,password=pass, |
| [05:01:00] | so_: | or it's // in linux...been a while since I did it |
| [05:01:00] | k-man: | so, yes that is all fine and working |
| [05:02:00] | k-man: | see above |
| [05:02:00] | billvortex: | the issue is how to get it to remount on disconnect |
| [05:02:00] | billvortex: | nfs is nice and does so automatically, but samba has nothing that I know of. |
| [05:03:00] | k-man: | yeah |
| [05:03:00] | k-man: | not sure even how to search for it either |
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| [05:04:00] | so_: | k-man, then yes automounter might be the thing for you |
| [05:04:00] | k-man: | yeah |
| [05:04:00] | k-man: | ill look at it later |
| [05:05:00] | k-man: | it looks too big a job for 5 minutes |
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| [05:34:00] | k-man: | hmm.... well, automount was much easier than i expected to get working |
| [05:34:00] | billvortex: | yeah? |
| [05:34:00] | k-man: | now, how do i get mythmusic to let me select music by the album and play it |
| [05:35:00] | k-man: | it just seems so difficult to use somehow... maybe i'm missing something? |
| [05:35:00] | billvortex: | donno, I don't use mythmusic |
| [05:35:00] | k-man: | http://www.greenfly.org/tips/autofs.html |
| [05:35:00] | k-man: | oh well |
| [05:35:00] | k-man: | that might be a project for another day maybe |
| [05:36:00] | billvortex: | ooh, looks nice |
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| [05:46:00] | so_: | hmmm having problems getting my guide data to download it's using datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com with my account info, and being refused |
| [05:47:00] | Nothingman: | having trouble accessing my backend from another comp even after changing the MySQL permissions |
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| [05:58:00] | billvortex: | so_, did it work before? |
| [05:58:00] | billvortex: | Nothingman, with what errors? |
| [06:01:00] | so_: | billvortex, nope, creating a new account, maybe it's the account name "so_" that is causing the problem |
| [06:01:00] | billvortex: | so_, might... oddness tho, it should toss a error if so |
| [06:02:00] | so_: | hmm nope just authorization failed |
| [06:02:00] | Nothingman: | Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.25' (111) |
| [06:02:00] | so_: | just go to zap2it.com and create a user right? or somewhere else? |
| [06:03:00] | billvortex: | Nothingman, and you type mysql -u mythtv -p -h 192.168.1.25 |
| [06:03:00] | billvortex: | so_, labs.zap2it.com I beleive |
| [06:04:00] | billvortex: | Nothingman, can you and does it connect? |
| [06:04:00] | Nothingman: | ERROR 2003: Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.25' (111) |
| [06:04:00] | Nothingman: | again |
| [06:05:00] | billvortex: | Nothingman, you might have the mysql server itself set to bind only to localhost, edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| [06:06:00] | billvortex: | Nothingman, make sure bind-address is not set to 127.0.0.1 |
| [06:06:00] | billvortex: | Nothingman, and that skip-networking is commented out |
| [06:08:00] | Nothingman: | billvortex: should bind-address be set to the external IP? (192.168.1.25 |
| [06:08:00] | Nothingman: | )? |
| [06:08:00] | billvortex: | Nothingman, yup |
| [06:08:00] | billvortex: | I /think/ if it's just commented out, it binds to both, but I'm not sure |
| [06:09:00] | Nothingman: | billvortex: you are my new hero |
| [06:09:00] | billvortex: | heh, glad I could help |
| [06:14:00] | so_: | billvortex, hmph, signed up on labs, same result |
| [06:14:00] | billvortex: | huh |
| [06:14:00] | so_: | tested it in a webbrowser too |
| [06:15:00] | so_: | maybe it takes a bit to activate? |
| [06:16:00] | billvortex: | it shouldn't. I recall when I did mine, it worked right away |
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| [06:23:00] | so_: | billvortex, heh, I had an old account on there for this windows based channel lineup viewer...it works...so just modifying it. the username is "testloser" man I don't know what I was thinking that night |
| [06:24:00] | billvortex: | hehe, maybe some vodka on the brain? :P |
| [06:24:00] | so_: | bah, I have to turn off like 200 channels from the satellite :) |
| [06:32:00] | so_: | do they send you an email when it's going to stop working or do you have to be proactive about it? |
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| [06:42:00] | billvortex: | so_, they remind you a few days before it runs out |
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| [07:19:00] | simcop2387: | anyone know how to setup power management to spin down the hard drives after an hour of inactivity? |
| [07:20:00] | billvortex: | simcop2387, hdparm can deal with that |
| [07:21:00] | simcop2387: | billvortex, cool |
| [07:22:00] | simcop2387: | i was hoping i wouldn't need more |
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| [07:22:00] | billvortex: | simcop2387, check out -B, -C, -S, -y, and -Y |
| [07:23:00] | simcop2387: | :) i'm getting a mythbox setup for my parents, i'm getting it to use as little power as possible now, next step is to create some fdi files for all their two cameras and next is some card readers for them too |
| [07:24:00] | simcop2387: | that way it shows everything the way they want |
| [07:25:00] | simcop2387: | after that i build or get a nice IR transmitter for them to control the DTV reciever for them |
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| [08:03:00] | jmfrei: | I'm trying to get a script in /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend to startup at boot up. I have a symbolic link in /etc/rc5.d/S20mythtv-backend in place. However, it doesn't load at bootup. is there something else I need to configure in order to make this happen? |
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| [08:41:00] | xris: | jmfrei: what distro? |
| [08:45:00] | jmfrei: | debian |
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| [08:46:00] | t00m: | gday |
| [08:48:00] | xris: | jmfrei: thought there was some sort of program for messing with the rc.d stuff |
| [08:49:00] | ** xris wonders why only redhat/fedora use chkconfig ** | |
| [08:49:00] | xris: | debian has something like update_rc.d |
| [08:49:00] | so_: | update-rc.d |
| [08:52:00] | jmfrei: | okay |
| [08:52:00] | jmfrei: | that makes sense |
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| [08:56:00] | jmfrei: | hey xris: I don't know if you are familiar with mythgame |
| [08:56:00] | jmfrei: | but for some reason, when it scans for roms, it doesn't does detect the roms |
| [08:57:00] | jmfrei: | it seems to scan and takes a while, so it is searching through the directory.. |
| [08:57:00] | jmfrei: | any ideas as to why it won't add it to the database? |
| [08:57:00] | xris: | never used it. |
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| [09:08:00] | jmfrei: | hey xris |
| [09:08:00] | jmfrei: | also |
| [09:08:00] | jmfrei: | for some reason |
| [09:08:00] | jmfrei: | I have the box setup for autologin and for some reason, the shell its using is sh and not bash |
| [09:09:00] | jmfrei: | do you think thats why the script doesn't start? |
| [09:09:00] | xris: | could be. shouldn't matter too much if the start script calls bash |
| [09:09:00] | jmfrei: | the script itself is calling /bin/sh |
| [09:10:00] | jmfrei: | I don't get it..because when I manually boot it |
| [09:10:00] | jmfrei: | it works |
| [09:10:00] | xris: | could be an order of operations thing. |
| [09:10:00] | xris: | is mysql set up to run before mythbackend? |
| [09:10:00] | jmfrei: | umm |
| [09:10:00] | jmfrei: | maybe thats it |
| [09:12:00] | jmfrei: | mysql is S20 |
| [09:12:00] | jmfrei: | mythtv is now 99 |
| [09:12:00] | jmfrei: | gonna give it another shot |
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| [09:31:00] | jmfrei: | hey guys.. |
| [09:31:00] | jmfrei: | to record live tv while watching tv |
| [09:31:00] | jmfrei: | I just have to hit "R" right? |
| [09:31:00] | jmfrei: | I get Record "" |
| [09:31:00] | jmfrei: | but then when I exit, I don't see any recordings.. |
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| [10:11:00] | jmfrei: | hey xris |
| [10:11:00] | jmfrei: | also, I have svideo out on my fx5200. when I play a video |
| [10:12:00] | jmfrei: | the screen seems a bit off centered |
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| [10:12:00] | jmfrei: | is that something I can configure? |
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| [11:47:00] | MachoMan666: | hello world! |
| [11:47:00] | MachoMan666: | i want to make a media centre for linux |
| [11:47:00] | MachoMan666: | i think mythtv is a good choise |
| [11:47:00] | MachoMan666: | but first i need to know the sys req fisrt |
| [11:48:00] | MachoMan666: | is there ne1 who can tell me |
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| [12:05:00] | Filip^: | I get occasional QMYSQL3 errors: MySQL server has gone away. This only affects the frontend. Restarting the frontend fixes the problems. Is this due to MySQL 5? |
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| [12:46:00] | Fony_Vaio: | 2005-12–18 12:40:41.437 DVB#0 DVB signal ff3f | snr 1 | ber 1fffff | unc ffff |
| [12:46:00] | Fony_Vaio: | 2005-12–18 12:40:42.042 DVB#0 WARNING – Status: NO LOCK! |
| [12:46:00] | Fony_Vaio: | can anyone please help me with this? this is my first attempt with mythtv (well, any tv card / app, actually) and i've gotten up to the setup, but now it's saying "Error tuning to transport" during scan. Laptop is a Sony Vaio PCG-K415B and tuner is Hauppauge WinTV-Nova-T USB2 (93000 rev. B8A2) running Debian sid. |
| [12:46:00] | laga: | does it work with other apps? |
| [12:47:00] | Fony_Vaio: | laga: in windows.. :$ |
| [12:49:00] | laga: | Fony_Vaio: make sure the card is working first, before trying mythtv. use tools like mplayer, xine or kaffeine or whatever... |
| [12:49:00] | alpha_geek: | Hi all, I am fairly new to linux, and have been working for about a week tring to set up knoppmyth with an xbox front end, and am almost there. I have a winTV Go in my server, it is detected as cx88, I can see the input of video, but it is black and you can kind of see the picture but it is faded and moving around. I think this is because I am in the us and may be a PAL thing. I just want to confirm the theory about t |
| [12:49:00] | alpha_geek: | his, and get some pointers understanding a bit more about the system, and what i need to do |
| [12:50:00] | alpha_geek: | sorry i ment i am in the UK |
| [12:50:00] | Fony_Vaio: | laga: how about tzap? It gives me this output: user@fony:~$ tzap "BBC ONE (TV)" |
| [12:50:00] | Fony_Vaio: | using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0' |
| [12:50:00] | Fony_Vaio: | ERROR: error while parsing inversion (syntax error) |
| [12:50:00] | Fony_Vaio: | sorry, didn't meant to flood! :S |
| [12:51:00] | laga: | Fony_Vaio: i dont know much about DVB, so i won't be be much of a help, sorry |
| [12:51:00] | Fony_Vaio: | laga: np. thanks anyway. |
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| [12:53:00] | Kleptophobiac: | Good cycle everyone |
| [12:54:00] | alpha_geek: | mythtv-setup |
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| [13:05:00] | Kleptophobiac: | Is there some way to compile with XvMC libs for a video card other than what's in the box you're compiling on? |
| [13:06:00] | Kleptophobiac: | for example, I am compiling on a Dell SC420 with a crap integrated videocard, but I don't know how to change it to use the nvidia xvmc libs |
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| [13:11:00] | foobum: | hi all.. is anyone using the current svn? |
| [13:11:00] | Kleptophobiac: | yes |
| [13:11:00] | Kleptophobiac: | semi-successfully too |
| [13:11:00] | Kleptophobiac: | q |
| [13:11:00] | foobum: | why semi-successfully? I'm considering moving over from .18.1 |
| [13:12:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I have some stuttering and jitter issues with my video (only internal, not mplayer) |
| [13:12:00] | Kleptophobiac: | but I had those with 0.18.1 too |
| [13:12:00] | Kleptophobiac: | what OS are you running? |
| [13:12:00] | foobum: | oh right |
| [13:12:00] | foobum: | linux |
| [13:12:00] | foobum: | but i have an OS X frontend too |
| [13:13:00] | Kleptophobiac: | What linux distro (for the backend, right?) |
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| [13:13:00] | foobum: | linux is on x86_64 (gentoo) and it's a combined fe/be |
| [13:13:00] | Kleptophobiac: | ok |
| [13:13:00] | Kleptophobiac: | you're going to have problems with SVN |
| [13:13:00] | foobum: | ah |
| [13:13:00] | Kleptophobiac: | you'll want to downgrade to mysql 4 and a matching qt |
| [13:14:00] | Kleptophobiac: | mythtv doesn't seem to play nice with mysql5 |
| [13:14:00] | foobum: | one of the reasons i wanted to move is cause i've submitted some patches with some x86_64 fixes |
| [13:14:00] | foobum: | ah.. that's ok.. i'm running 4.1 |
| [13:14:00] | Kleptophobiac: | ok |
| [13:14:00] | Kleptophobiac: | then you should be fine |
| [13:14:00] | foobum: | ok.. i was just wondering how broken it is |
| [13:14:00] | foobum: | the livetv has been broken for a while and only recently fixed, right? |
| [13:14:00] | Kleptophobiac: | SVN is really quite good considering it's constant dev state |
| [13:15:00] | Kleptophobiac: | well, if be recently you mean a couple weeks ago |
| [13:15:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and it's better than ever |
| [13:15:00] | Kleptophobiac: | My channel switch time has gone from around 10 sec to < 1.5 |
| [13:15:00] | foobum: | ah ok.. i'll give it a go.. there's some stuff i want to hack on and there's not a lot of point producing diffs against .18.1 |
| [13:15:00] | Kleptophobiac: | true |
| [13:15:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I've often wanted to hack around in myth, but I find the source quite dauntingly huge |
| [13:16:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and I haven't bothered installing a real IDE |
| [13:16:00] | foobum: | yeah.. it's fairly nasty, and distinctly lacking in comments |
| [13:16:00] | Kleptophobiac: | indeed! |
| [13:16:00] | foobum: | vim/cscope works for me :) |
| [13:17:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I've been using good old vi |
| [13:17:00] | Kleptophobiac: | no source highlighting or method jumping |
| [13:17:00] | Kleptophobiac: | :p |
| [13:17:00] | foobum: | yeah.. that sucks.. emerge vim :) |
| [13:17:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and it sucks |
| [13:17:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I'll probably move the source over to my windows machine and use bloodshed |
| [13:18:00] | foobum: | ugh.. that doesn't make for an easy compile / test / edit cycle |
| [13:18:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I'd store the source on an nfs share |
| [13:18:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and have a terminal open where I could compile |
| [13:18:00] | Kleptophobiac: | so it wouldn't be bad |
| [13:18:00] | foobum: | i guess.. you really need a win32 X server for this kind of stuff tho |
| [13:18:00] | foobum: | (since it's mostly graphical) |
| [13:19:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I'd sit in the same room |
| [13:19:00] | foobum: | fair enough |
| [13:19:00] | Kleptophobiac: | heh |
| [13:19:00] | foobum: | i've just installed the .18.1 binaries on a mac mini |
| [13:19:00] | Kleptophobiac: | but in any case, the source is huge and hard to follow (especially for someone who knows C and java, but not c++) |
| [13:19:00] | Kleptophobiac: | nice |
| [13:19:00] | foobum: | never used OS X before and I must say: it's *lovely* |
| [13:19:00] | Kleptophobiac: | yeah, I got to use one at a neighbor's |
| [13:19:00] | Kleptophobiac: | they're very cute |
| [13:20:00] | foobum: | and mythfrontend works great so far |
| [13:20:00] | Kleptophobiac: | yeah, the mini's seem to be favorites for frontends nowadays |
| [13:20:00] | foobum: | but yeah: the source mostly sucks ass and I hate C++ too |
| [13:20:00] | foobum: | (and QT) |
| [13:20:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I've got a homemade box that I've gone nuts silencing |
| [13:20:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and I like it enough |
| [13:20:00] | Kleptophobiac: | btw |
| [13:20:00] | Kleptophobiac: | how's your playback smoothness? |
| [13:21:00] | Kleptophobiac: | on the frontend, using the internal myth player |
| [13:21:00] | foobum: | pretty good |
| [13:21:00] | Kleptophobiac: | hmm |
| [13:21:00] | mchou: | bah, my athlon64 is dead silent |
| [13:21:00] | foobum: | on both the x86_64 box and the mac |
| [13:21:00] | foobum: | mine isn't silent, but it's near enough for me |
| [13:21:00] | Kleptophobiac: | on the athlon64... what video card / display do you use? |
| [13:22:00] | mchou: | turn on coolnQuiet..... |
| [13:22:00] | foobum: | nvidia out to a 40" SDTV |
| [13:22:00] | Kleptophobiac: | svideo? |
| [13:22:00] | foobum: | yup |
| [13:22:00] | Kleptophobiac: | hmm |
| [13:22:00] | mchou: | quieter than my p3 850mhz |
| [13:22:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I'm using an fx5200 via DVI to an HD set |
| [13:22:00] | foobum: | i'm using an interlaced modeline that's as close to PAL specs as it's possible to get with the nvidia drivers |
| [13:22:00] | Kleptophobiac: | but I have the same problem as when I had an mx400 to an SD set |
| [13:23:00] | foobum: | that should kick ass |
| [13:23:00] | foobum: | we don't really have HD over here yet (UK( |
| [13:23:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I have an HD set for my DVD's and whatnot rather than the actual HDTV |
| [13:23:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and my TV was 20" and from 1995 |
| [13:23:00] | Kleptophobiac: | so it was time |
| [13:23:00] | foobum: | ah.. hehe |
| [13:24:00] | Kleptophobiac: | but the thing jitters like crazy |
| [13:24:00] | foobum: | well.. it took me a while to figure out what to do with regards deinterlacing / modelines / etc |
| [13:24:00] | foobum: | are you deinterlacing? |
| [13:24:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I've got a CRT that runs 1080i, but I'm feeding it 540p and deinterlacing |
| [13:24:00] | Kleptophobiac: | bob2x |
| [13:24:00] | foobum: | ah ok |
| [13:24:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I have a 1 to 3 px vertical jitter with bob2x |
| [13:25:00] | Kleptophobiac: | it's insanely annoying |
| [13:25:00] | foobum: | i did that for a while – drove the nvidia drivers at 720x576@60 and fed it deinterlaced video |
| [13:25:00] | foobum: | it seemed to work ok |
| [13:25:00] | Kleptophobiac: | kerneldeint works a smidge better with regard to the jitter, but makes smoothness worse |
| [13:25:00] | foobum: | but then i changed to an interlaced modeline 720x576@50(I) |
| [13:25:00] | Kleptophobiac: | ie, looking at a news crawler jump around is really pathetic |
| [13:25:00] | foobum: | and turned of the deinterlacer and it's much better |
| [13:25:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and I know it has to be a mythtv timing thing, because mplayer gets it just right |
| [13:26:00] | foobum: | hmm... i think bob gave me quite a smooth crawler |
| [13:26:00] | laga: | yep, it's quite hard to get smooth deinterlaced video out of mythtv. i don't like bobbing that comes with the bo filter |
| [13:26:00] | foobum: | and my current setup does |
| [13:26:00] | levon: | relaga |
| [13:27:00] | Kleptophobiac: | is there some way to get myth to deinterlace the video when it records it? |
| [13:27:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and store the deinterlaced file? |
| [13:27:00] | laga: | relevon |
| [13:27:00] | foobum: | I guess avoid deinterlacing if you can (i.e. use an interlaced modeline) |
| [13:27:00] | laga: | Kleptophobiac: are you using a hardware encoder card/DVB? |
| [13:27:00] | Kleptophobiac: | PVR-250 and PVR-150, so I assume it would require transcoding |
| [13:27:00] | Kleptophobiac: | but I have CPU cycles to burn |
| [13:28:00] | laga: | i'm afraid that mythtv can't deinterlace when transcoding. which is very sad. |
| [13:28:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and I live in KY... which means cheapest power in the US |
| [13:28:00] | Kleptophobiac: | that blows |
| [13:28:00] | Kleptophobiac: | that almost seems braindead simple to add |
| [13:28:00] | foobum: | Kleptophobiac: have you tried using an interlaced modeline and switching off the deinterlacer? |
| [13:28:00] | Kleptophobiac: | yes |
| [13:28:00] | foobum: | ah |
| [13:28:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and I don't think it works |
| [13:29:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I don't think my nvidia card handles interlaced properly on DVI |
| [13:29:00] | foobum: | oh... does for me |
| [13:29:00] | Kleptophobiac: | it works oK on svideo though |
| [13:29:00] | foobum: | ah |
| [13:29:00] | Kleptophobiac: | but I really don't want to use svideo when my TV has an HDMI input |
| [13:29:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and I have a DVI output |
| [13:29:00] | foobum: | yeah |
| [13:29:00] | Kleptophobiac: | anyway, I don't have an a64 in my frontend, so I can't enable cool'n'quiet |
| [13:29:00] | Kleptophobiac: | but |
| [13:30:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I have an axp 1.5GHz, on which I have an uber huge heatsink I got for cheap |
| [13:30:00] | Kleptophobiac: | with a very slow 92mm fan |
| [13:30:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and a passive fx5200 |
| [13:30:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and passive northbridge heatsink |
| [13:30:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and no hard drive (NFS boot) |
| [13:30:00] | Kleptophobiac: | so it's very quiet |
| [13:30:00] | Kleptophobiac: | :p |
| [13:31:00] | foobum: | does anyone else have several sources with some, but not all, channels in common? |
| [13:31:00] | Kleptophobiac: | not I |
| [13:31:00] | foobum: | e.g. i have sky and DVB-T and sky is basically a superset of the DVB-T |
| [13:31:00] | foobum: | wondering how common it is |
| [13:32:00] | foobum: | because i want to fix myth so that i get a program guide that reflects the current tuner |
| [13:32:00] | foobum: | (at the moment i just mark all the DVB-T channels as not visible, which sucks if i want to watch live tv on it) |
| [13:32:00] | foobum: | i think a lot of people just have duplicated channels in the guide |
| [13:33:00] | foobum: | but that sucks |
| [13:33:00] | Kleptophobiac: | yes it does |
| [13:33:00] | Kleptophobiac: | wouldn't it be better |
| [13:33:00] | Kleptophobiac: | to merge them based on callsign? |
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| [13:33:00] | Kleptophobiac: | rather than sort by tuner? |
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| [13:33:00] | foobum: | well yeah, but they have different freq id's depending on which tuner it comes from |
| [13:33:00] | foobum: | like BBC1 is 101 on sky and 1 on DVB |
| [13:33:00] | Kleptophobiac: | for use with the program guide... why does it matter? |
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| [13:34:00] | foobum: | well, when i hit enter, i want it to switch the current tuner to that channel |
| [13:34:00] | foobum: | so it has to know the freqid for the current tuner |
| [13:34:00] | Kleptophobiac: | yeah |
| [13:34:00] | Kleptophobiac: | but it knows the lineup for that tuner |
| [13:34:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and the callsign |
| [13:34:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and can look up the freqid from the table for that tuner |
| [13:34:00] | Kleptophobiac: | so the user just sees callsigns |
| [13:34:00] | foobum: | yeah, that's true |
| [13:34:00] | foobum: | yeah |
| [13:35:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I think that would make it more seamless and less hackish |
| [13:35:00] | foobum: | of course, they will see channels they dont have when watching dvb |
| [13:35:00] | Kleptophobiac: | hmm? |
| [13:35:00] | foobum: | but i guess that's not much of a hardship |
| [13:35:00] | foobum: | well.. they will see all the channels that are available on sky but not on dvb |
| [13:35:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I delete channels I don't actually get from my lineup |
| [13:35:00] | Kleptophobiac: | ah, ok |
| [13:35:00] | Kleptophobiac: | that's what you mean |
| [13:35:00] | foobum: | yeah |
| [13:36:00] | foobum: | so if the sky tuner is in use, they will be "dead" channels |
| [13:36:00] | Kleptophobiac: | if you wanted to get seriously nice about it, you could have the guide put a DVB icon on channels available via DVB, much like the frontend does with HD today |
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| [13:36:00] | foobum: | yeah, that would work i guess |
| [13:36:00] | foobum: | but i really really don't want to have to hack the gui |
| [13:37:00] | Kleptophobiac: | heh, I can understand |
| [13:37:00] | Kleptophobiac: | that's one of the things I like about java... it's GUI's are very reproducible and easy to program |
| [13:37:00] | Kleptophobiac: | *its |
| [13:37:00] | foobum: | Kleptophobiac: are you using XVMC? |
| [13:37:00] | Kleptophobiac: | even if it is slow |
| [13:37:00] | Kleptophobiac: | no I'm not |
| [13:38:00] | foobum: | yeah.. my GUI experience extends to ncurses and that's about it :) |
| [13:38:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I'll try soon though |
| [13:38:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I just recompiled myth with xvmc support |
| [13:38:00] | Kleptophobiac: | so we'll see how that goes |
| [13:38:00] | foobum: | ah.. might help |
| [13:38:00] | foobum: | but it does suck |
| [13:38:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and doesn't work on mpeg4 content |
| [13:38:00] | Kleptophobiac: | :-/ |
| [13:38:00] | foobum: | makes the OSD flicker n all that |
| [13:38:00] | Kleptophobiac: | hah! my OSD already flickers |
| [13:38:00] | foobum: | oh |
| [13:38:00] | foobum: | heh |
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| [13:39:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I'm very impressed with mythbackend's ability to keep track of all those shows and do a good job of scheduling |
| [13:39:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I'm not impressed at all with mythfrontend |
| [13:39:00] | Kleptophobiac: | to be quite honest |
| [13:39:00] | foobum: | yeah.. it has a way to go |
| [13:39:00] | foobum: | but then, so does the backend |
| [13:39:00] | foobum: | i'm hoping lots of stuff will be fixed in the transition to svn |
| [13:39:00] | Kleptophobiac: | the backend needs some work in certain tasks, but I think it's far more polished than the backend |
| [13:39:00] | Kleptophobiac: | oh yeah, you're still running .18 |
| [13:40:00] | foobum: | yup |
| [13:40:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I think you'll be very happy with the new backend |
| [13:40:00] | Kleptophobiac: | it's made a ton of progress since may |
| [13:40:00] | foobum: | ok, good... hope so :) |
| [13:40:00] | mchou: | Kleptophobiac: how new do you mean? |
| [13:40:00] | Kleptophobiac: | new since 0.18.1 |
| [13:40:00] | foobum: | will the transition be smooth? |
| [13:40:00] | Kleptophobiac: | ie, current svn |
| [13:40:00] | Kleptophobiac: | you'll have some new settings to change |
| [13:40:00] | Kleptophobiac: | so you'll want to go through all the menus again |
| [13:40:00] | foobum: | yeah |
| [13:40:00] | Kleptophobiac: | and it uses a new database schema, so you can't downgrade back to .18.1 |
| [13:41:00] | Kleptophobiac: | without hosing your db |
| [13:41:00] | foobum: | but it will upgrade from? |
| [13:41:00] | Kleptophobiac: | so back it up if you want to save that |
| [13:41:00] | Kleptophobiac: | yes |
| [13:41:00] | foobum: | ok, cool, thanks |
| [13:41:00] | mchou: | current svn use sqlite yet? |
| [13:41:00] | laga: | mchou: nope |
| [13:41:00] | Kleptophobiac: | brb, off to prod the frontend and see what happens with xvmc |
| [13:41:00] | foobum: | me too |
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| [13:46:00] | Kleptophobiac: | ok |
| [13:46:00] | Kleptophobiac: | so turning on xvmc makes the osd go black and white (whoopie) and cuts down on the jitter, but pushes CPU usage way up |
| [13:47:00] | Kleptophobiac: | to the point that I'm overloading my system |
| [13:47:00] | laga: | it pushes cpu usage up? that's weird |
| [13:47:00] | Kleptophobiac: | also, I can't seem to use opengl vsync anymore |
| [13:47:00] | Kleptophobiac: | pegs the CPU to 100% |
| [13:48:00] | laga: | are you using nvidia's latest drivers? |
| [13:48:00] | Kleptophobiac: | yes |
| [13:48:00] | Kleptophobiac: | that's one of the only things I religiously update because I keep hoping for less choppy video |
| [13:48:00] | Kleptophobiac: | everything else has settled into a stable version |
| [13:48:00] | laga: | hehe. it's broken, search mythtv-users for a posting made by greg estabrooks |
| [13:49:00] | Kleptophobiac: | yeah, I read that |
| [13:49:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I thought it might just be his card |
| [13:49:00] | Kleptophobiac: | apparently not |
| [13:49:00] | Kleptophobiac: | which version would you recommend? the immediately previous one, or some other rev? |
| [13:49:00] | boobytrapped: | Hi All. I am using mythtv video with xine and have an interesting problem. If during a mythtv session, I use xine to play a video – after that the GUI buttons in the rest of mythtv seem to lose focus. Ie. if you try to exit mythtv, the buttons for No, Yes, don't have focus and its not possible to select them.. Also, the IPG behaves in a mysterious way in the sense that you can scroll up or down in the IPG only one item.. an |
| [13:49:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I have no need for overscan |
| [13:50:00] | levon: | boobytrapped, are you running the frontend w/o a window manager perhaps? |
| [13:50:00] | boobytrapped: | yes.. |
| [13:50:00] | levon: | you need one for the focus stuff |
| [13:51:00] | boobytrapped: | I see.. okay – do-able. |
| [13:51:00] | levon: | boobytrapped, just start one in the background prior starting the frontend |
| [13:51:00] | boobytrapped: | Thanks for the tip. |
| [13:51:00] | levon: | np |
| [13:51:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I recommend fluxbox |
| [13:51:00] | Kleptophobiac: | :) |
| [13:51:00] | Kleptophobiac: | lightweight, functional |
| [13:52:00] | boobytrapped: | yeah – something light would be good. |
| [13:52:00] | boobytrapped: | thanks |
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| [14:00:00] | jono: | heya |
| [14:00:00] | jono: | When a show has been recorded, it jumps back to the MythTV menu – how can I just keep it watching TV? |
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| [14:06:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone know how i can get the temt sensors to work on a via m10000 mb? |
| [14:06:00] | dagfinnr: | (in fedora) |
| [14:06:00] | dagfinnr: | jono, you have to go to watch recordings, and watch it from there |
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| [14:10:00] | Shanito: | hello |
| [14:11:00] | jono: | dagfinnr, I know, thats crap and unintuitive, is there a way around it? |
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| [14:12:00] | Shanito: | hi i cant get my tvcard working, its an e-tech. – 01:07.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7134 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) |
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| [14:13:00] | Shanito: | video input works |
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| [14:14:00] | jono: | how do I kill all ivtv processes, I can't kill them? |
| [14:16:00] | Fony_Vaio: | i've worked my problem down to an inability to tune the WinTV-Nova-T USB2 via the "scan" command, using my local transmitter config. Scan output: http://pastebin.ca/34054 Any ideas? |
| [14:17:00] | dagfinnr: | jono, not that i know of .. |
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| [14:57:00] | Shanito: | someone here ? |
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| [14:59:00] | laga: | nope |
| [15:00:00] | Shanito: | lol |
| [15:01:00] | Shanito: | i have my composite working |
| [15:01:00] | Shanito: | but no tv signal |
| [15:01:00] | Shanito: | :/ |
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| [15:21:00] | jono: | any dvb users in here? |
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| [15:34:00] | Dibblah: | Or MythTVs. 1 backend, 1 frontend and one combined BE / FE (Test system). All netbooted from a 1.4Tb array. |
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| [15:37:00] | alpha_geek: | can anyone tell me what to look at is my tv is displaying a distorted scrolling picture |
| [15:38:00] | foobum: | something other than your tv :) |
| [15:38:00] | alpha_geek: | lol, the wall is looking beter at the mo |
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| [15:38:00] | foobum: | how are you doing output? video card? tv? |
| [15:39:00] | alpha_geek: | i have an external tuner plugged in to composite on a wintv go card |
| [15:39:00] | alpha_geek: | audio is clear |
| [15:39:00] | foobum: | ok.. and the output to tv? |
| [15:39:00] | alpha_geek: | and there is def a picture just cant see it |
| [15:39:00] | tanq: | this is a bit off topic.. If anyone in here is using a linksys wmp11 wifi network card can you pm me the drivers that you used. not seeing support in ndiswrapper or madwifi |
| [15:39:00] | alpha_geek: | the front end is on an xbox |
| [15:40:00] | foobum: | and that's where the problem is? |
| [15:40:00] | alpha_geek: | the front end seems to work fine |
| [15:40:00] | foobum: | so where is the problem? |
| [15:40:00] | alpha_geek: | if i fire up the frontend on the server i get the same thing with it's onboard card |
| [15:40:00] | alpha_geek: | via chipset |
| [15:40:00] | foobum: | displaying on a monitor? |
| [15:40:00] | alpha_geek: | both |
| [15:40:00] | alpha_geek: | both on monitor and on tv |
| [15:40:00] | mofu: | tanq: isn't that an older B-only chipset?? |
| [15:41:00] | alpha_geek: | i am sure it is going to ba a setting on the card |
| [15:41:00] | foobum: | so the captured video is screwed.. |
| [15:41:00] | alpha_geek: | just not sure what |
| [15:41:00] | alpha_geek: | yes |
| [15:41:00] | foobum: | ah.. sorry.. no idea.. i only use hardware encoders |
| [15:41:00] | tanq: | mofu: yeah |
| [15:41:00] | alpha_geek: | dang |
| [15:41:00] | alpha_geek: | ok thanks |
| [15:42:00] | foobum: | is the go bttv? |
| [15:42:00] | alpha_geek: | no |
| [15:42:00] | alpha_geek: | cx88 |
| [15:42:00] | alpha_geek: | not been able to find much documentation for that |
| [15:42:00] | foobum: | k |
| [15:42:00] | alpha_geek: | all seems to be pvr cards |
| [15:42:00] | foobum: | tried using mplayer or similar? |
| [15:42:00] | mofu: | is it a Prism or Broadcom? Evidently there are a couple versions |
| [15:42:00] | mofu: | does dmesg give you anything when you insert the card? |
| [15:43:00] | alpha_geek: | no, i have no media to watch at the mo, it is all stuck on a windows pc at the mo |
| [15:43:00] | alpha_geek: | moving as soon as i can sort this |
| [15:43:00] | foobum: | i mean watch the incoming signal using mplayer (mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0 (or similar)) |
| [15:44:00] | alpha_geek: | not tryed that |
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| [15:44:00] | alpha_geek: | give me a sec |
| [15:44:00] | jono: | I have got my dvb card working, but when I try to set the card up in mythtv-setup, it says the device or resource is busy any idea why? |
| [15:44:00] | foobum: | jono: you need to kill mythbackend |
| [15:45:00] | scanwinder: | does anyone know of a good howto for getting mythtv to work in ubuntu? |
| [15:45:00] | Shanito: | hm still no tv signal :( |
| [15:45:00] | tanq: | mofu: yeah i know it has a prism 2.5 chipset on it |
| [15:46:00] | jono: | foobum, ok it works now, but how do I set up the dvb channels? |
| [15:46:00] | tanq: | but i wasn't sure the prism driver would work... and i have no idea why |
| [15:46:00] | foobum: | jono: it's a bit of a pain.. google should find you a howto |
| [15:46:00] | tanq: | ahh... also because of the versions of the card. |
| [15:47:00] | tanq: | i don't know whether i have a 2.7 or 4.0 |
| [15:47:00] | mofu: | tanq: there are good linux prism drivers, but you have to update/upgrade the firmware |
| [15:47:00] | tanq: | the card isnt even marked up |
| [15:48:00] | mofu: | tanq: does dmesg mention Prism? |
| [15:48:00] | foobum: | jono: e.g. http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/mythdvb.html |
| [15:48:00] | tanq: | mofu: i got that from lspci |
| [15:48:00] | mofu: | ok, good |
| [15:50:00] | tanq: | i still need to get a vga cable for this to go to my tv |
| [15:51:00] | tanq: | i thought about dvi to hdmi but i don't think i can use the pc features if i use those ports |
| [15:51:00] | foobum: | jono: more here: http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/DigitalTvHowto |
| [15:52:00] | tanq: | also i realized i have 3 tuner cards left over from over the years. |
| [15:52:00] | mofu: | are they pvr cards? |
| [15:52:00] | tanq: | so I gues i could build one more box |
| [15:52:00] | tanq: | nope |
| [15:52:00] | tanq: | that is why they are left over |
| [15:52:00] | mofu: | blech, not worth it imho |
| [15:52:00] | tanq: | i might stick one in to watch livetv while recording |
| [15:52:00] | jono: | cheers foobum |
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| [15:54:00] | mofu: | tanq: how many cards in your current box? |
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| [15:55:00] | tanq: | 1 |
| [15:56:00] | tanq: | on my todo list is to get an hd tuner card |
| [15:56:00] | mofu: | yeah, you might want to add a card if you have cpu horsepower to handle it |
| [15:56:00] | tanq: | what do i need? |
| [15:57:00] | tanq: | i'm running this on my amd xp 2100+ |
| [15:57:00] | mofu: | no problem, the other card is pvr right? |
| [15:57:00] | tanq: | I have left over hardware from the years that i'm tring to make use of |
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| [15:57:00] | tanq: | there is a pvr 150 in it now |
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| [15:58:00] | mofu: | combined BE/FE ?? the non-pvr cards will take about 50–60% CPU for Live TV |
| [16:00:00] | Shanito: | someone has the Philips Semiconductors SAA7134 ? |
| [16:01:00] | tanq: | man dmesg is getting spammed with i2c_adapter messages |
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| [16:15:00] | minimec: | Hi. I am hanging around in the firefox chat of mozzila.org but they have no answer for me, so I wil bother you with this question. I would like to add a new mime type for .nuv files. This would give me the possibility to open the .nuv files with firefox and mythweb. Unfortunally this doesn't work... |
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| [16:16:00] | Krazylegz: | minimec: Don't you want to download them? |
| [16:17:00] | beavis: | I guess he wants to play them |
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| [16:18:00] | Krazylegz: | In what? |
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| [16:19:00] | mofu: | i thought there was a way to use something like myth:// |
| [16:19:00] | minimec: | Krazylegz: Not always :-) |
| [16:20:00] | minimec: | mofu: Good point. Gonna google around a bit... |
| [16:30:00] | alpha_geek: | can anyone tell me what files i should look at to set video4linux run as pal-i |
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| [16:58:00] | Fony_Vaio: | finally managed to get the adapter to find channels :D Now I have another problem. After successfully completing mythtv-setup, i'm asked to run /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend as root, which i did. Upon which, i'm getting lots of errors http://pastebin.ca/34071 can anyone point me in the right direction? is it a xmltv problem, or..? |
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| [17:06:00] | billvortex: | Fony_Vaio, you only have one error, unexpected end of file, and one warnning, asking you to run xmltv --configure. Have you tried the second one? and as for the first one, it's the grabber didn't download it entirely for whatever reason. |
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| [17:08:00] | netrix: | hello. |
| [17:09:00] | dagfinnr: | is it possible to prevent the showing of cd2 of movies? ie if a movie is on two cds,only one will show? |
| [17:09:00] | laga: | yep. |
| [17:09:00] | Krazylegz: | dagfinnr: Yes. |
| [17:09:00] | dagfinnr: | how :) |
| [17:10:00] | laga: | dunno |
| [17:10:00] | dagfinnr: | hehe |
| [17:10:00] | billvortex: | combine the two into one? :P |
| [17:10:00] | dagfinnr: | yeah, that would be an easy way to do it |
| [17:10:00] | laga: | it's in the menus somewhere |
| [17:11:00] | dagfinnr: | what is it called? |
| [17:11:00] | billvortex: | laga, I know there's a way to have it automatically play part 2, but not display part 2? I don't recall seeing an option |
| [17:11:00] | dagfinnr: | i tryed to toggle browsable to off, but it still does show in the list .. |
| [17:11:00] | laga: | billvortex: duh. not sure ;) |
| [17:12:00] | Fony_Vaio: | billvortex: user@fony:~$ sudo xmltv --configure |
| [17:12:00] | Fony_Vaio: | sudo: xmltv: command not found |
| [17:12:00] | laga: | sudo aptitude install xmltv |
| [17:12:00] | billvortex: | Fony_Vaio, well, whatever the xmltv executeable is. |
| [17:12:00] | laga: | oh, right |
| [17:12:00] | laga: | you need to it with the grabber |
| [17:13:00] | Krazylegz: | dagfinnr: It's in the setup for mythvideo. |
| [17:13:00] | laga: | tv_grab_de_tvtoday in my case, probably |
| [17:13:00] | Fony_Vaio: | laga: I have grabber installed |
| [17:13:00] | Fony_Vaio: | laga: I have xmltv i mean |
| [17:14:00] | dagfinnr: | Krazylegz, in mythtv-setup or in the setup in the frontend? cant seem to find it in the media – video settings anywhere .. |
| [17:14:00] | Krazylegz: | Frontend setup. |
| [17:14:00] | Krazylegz: | MythVideo is only for the frontend. |
| [17:15:00] | Fony_Vaio: | tv_grab_uk_rt is my grabber |
| [17:16:00] | dagfinnr: | Krazylegz, do you know what the section / option is called? cant seem to find anything who would match |
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| [17:17:00] | Krazylegz: | dagfinnr: In the video manager, you can specify if a video is browsable. |
| [17:18:00] | dagfinnr: | yeah, i tried to toggle that to off, but it still shows in the gallery |
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| [17:19:00] | Fony_Vaio: | It's saying "config file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/UK.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure", but i've already run "tv_grab_uk_rt --configure" and added the new channels. |
| [17:19:00] | billvortex: | Fony_Vaio, find ~ | grep UK.xmltv |
| [17:19:00] | dagfinnr: | i found out Krazylegz , i had to change the filter to not show browsable |
| [17:19:00] | billvortex: | Fony_Vaio, see where you have UK.xmltv. Likely it's in ~/.xmltv |
| [17:20:00] | laga: | Fony_Vaio: you need to pass it --configfile ~/.mythtv/UK.xmltv or something |
| [17:20:00] | billvortex: | Fony_Vaio, so then you'll want to copy ~/.whevereveritis/UK.xmltv to ~/.mythtv/ |
| [17:20:00] | Krazylegz: | dagfinnr: Yeah, that's it then. Sorry. |
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| [17:20:00] | Fony_Vaio: | billvortex: home/user/.mythtv/UK.xmltv |
| [17:20:00] | dagfinnr: | thanks krazy :) |
| [17:21:00] | Krazylegz: | I tried. |
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| [17:21:00] | dagfinnr: | you helped me. |
| [17:21:00] | Fony_Vaio: | billvortex: that's why i'm confused, i checked and it has the configuration file in the right place, and it is full of newly updated info from the grabber. |
| [17:22:00] | billvortex: | is the home dir correct for the mythtv user/cron user? |
| [17:22:00] | dagfinnr: | is there any way to see if a file has been transcoded or not? i mean when i browse the files in console. and is the transcoded files beeing overwritten? |
| [17:23:00] | Fony_Vaio: | billvortex: I'm not sure. how can i check? |
| [17:23:00] | laga: | dagfinnr: the transcoded file will usually be overwritten. just check the time the file was created with ls -al |
| [17:24:00] | billvortex: | Fony_Vaio, donno. Gonna have to fund someone that actually uses xmltv I'd say |
| [17:24:00] | dagfinnr: | thnx laga |
| [17:24:00] | Fony_Vaio: | billvortex: I cp'd the UK.xmltv from my user to the mythtv user home. |
| [17:25:00] | dagfinnr: | ive getting a bunch of weird "errors" in the backend like: |
| [17:25:00] | dagfinnr: | [mpeg2video @ 0x6f2134]ac-tex damaged at 7 4 |
| [17:25:00] | dagfinnr: | [mpeg2video @ 0x6f2134]00 motion_type at 10 23 |
| [17:25:00] | dagfinnr: | is that normal? |
| [17:25:00] | dagfinnr: | guess its a part of the transcoding |
| [17:27:00] | Fony_Vaio: | OK, i ran sudo /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend and it didn't give and errors, but it also hasn't gone back to the prompt, either... it's just sitting there. is this normal? |
| [17:27:00] | laga: | yep |
| [17:27:00] | laga: | it could take some time |
| [17:27:00] | Fony_Vaio: | laga: ok |
| [17:27:00] | Fony_Vaio: | laga: ok, i'll wait. :D |
| [17:28:00] | Fony_Vaio: | laga: I hope it works a bit better than in windows. It was horrible. |
| [17:32:00] | ** Fony_Vaio watching his cpu usage fly up and down like a yoyo ** | |
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| [17:43:00] | netrix: | can anyone help me troubleshoot my friggin lirc init script? the start-stop-daemon line just doesn't work, but outside of the script it works fine. |
| [17:43:00] | netrix: | been pulling my hair out. |
| [17:44:00] | netrix: | script is here: http://pastebin.ca/34076 |
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| [17:45:00] | PxPert: | hi! |
| [17:46:00] | PxPert: | i've got a simple question |
| [17:47:00] | PxPert: | i've got 2 pcs one with a video capture card, another with a tv-out connector |
| [17:47:00] | PxPert: | can i use mythbackend to the first pc to view tv-programs on the second pc? |
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| [17:48:00] | netrix: | that last line didn't make any sense. |
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| [17:48:00] | PxPert: | lol |
| [17:48:00] | netrix: | but you could run mythbackend on the one with the capture card and run the frontend on the one with the tvout connected to, well a tv. |
| [17:48:00] | PxPert: | i'm sorry for my bad english |
| [17:49:00] | billvortex: | PxPert, yes, you can stream to the second pc and watch them via tv out. |
| [17:49:00] | netrix: | thats the nice thing about mythtv |
| [17:49:00] | PxPert: | so i don't need a video capture card on the second pc? |
| [17:49:00] | billvortex: | nope |
| [17:49:00] | netrix: | no, i dont think so. |
| [17:49:00] | netrix: | not if you just want to run the frontend. |
| [17:49:00] | billvortex: | the backend will serve the data to any frontends, as many as you want |
| [17:50:00] | PxPert: | cool |
| [17:50:00] | netrix: | PxPert: you may want more capture cards on the back end later tho. |
| [17:50:00] | PxPert: | :) |
| [17:50:00] | ** netrix wants another pvr500. =) ** | |
| [17:50:00] | PxPert: | so I can use for example the picture in picture feature :) |
| [17:50:00] | netrix: | PxPert: or so you can record a show and watch tv at the same time./ |
| [17:51:00] | netrix: | PxPert: but you get the idea. =) |
| [17:51:00] | PxPert: | yep! |
| [17:51:00] | PxPert: | and the video-plugin |
| [17:51:00] | PxPert: | searches files on the second pc or on the first? |
| [17:52:00] | billvortex: | videoplugin uses the pc it's on, so second pc |
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| [17:52:00] | PxPert: | and I think the same for the dvd and audio plugin |
| [17:52:00] | billvortex: | yup |
| [17:53:00] | netrix: | hey quick question about setting up raid0 using mdadm, will it be much slower than using hardware raid0? |
| [17:53:00] | PxPert: | so mythtv is the best pvr project I've ever seen :) |
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| [17:53:00] | netrix: | PxPert: mythtv is freekin awesome. |
| [17:53:00] | billvortex: | netrix, likely not, as unless you bought a real hardware controler, your 'hardware' will be cpu calculated anyway |
| [17:53:00] | PxPert: | yep |
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| [17:54:00] | netrix: | billvortex: okay i didn't think so. the mb i am using doesnt have hardware raid, but i didn't think it would matter since i just wanted to do striping (raid0) anyways. |
| [17:54:00] | PxPert: | now I only need an hd to install gentoo on the second pc :D |
| [17:55:00] | billvortex: | netrix, motherboard's intigrated raid tends to be software raid anyway. |
| [17:55:00] | PxPert: | thanks guys for your support |
| [17:55:00] | netrix: | billvortex: ah... i didn't know that. |
| [17:55:00] | billvortex: | netrix, if you want real hardware raid, so your cpu doesn't take a hit, look into 3ware controlers, they are true hardware raid |
| [17:55:00] | netrix: | so using mdadm was the right way to do it then? |
| [17:56:00] | billvortex: | sure, unless you want to shell out some real cash |
| [17:56:00] | PxPert: | oh another question |
| [17:56:00] | netrix: | billvortex: but those are more vaulable if you are doing something other than RAID 0, I thought it mattered more when you were doing stuff like raid 5 and you had to calculate parity. |
| [17:57:00] | netrix: | besdies, i blew all my money on the drivers. :-p |
| [17:57:00] | PxPert: | can I run the mythfrontend to the second pc F.E. to view a dvd |
| [17:57:00] | billvortex: | netrix, sure are, but even so, it's getting to the point where cpu cycles are cheaper then hardware controlers |
| [17:57:00] | netrix: | billvortex: good point. |
| [17:57:00] | PxPert: | without having to run the mythbackend on the first? |
| [17:57:00] | billvortex: | PxPert, no, mythfrontend wants to connect to the backend, even when it's not needed |
| [17:57:00] | netrix: | PxPert: i think the frontend will complain about not being able to talk to the backend. |
| [17:58:00] | billvortex: | PxPert, and why would you shut down the backend? it can't record if you do that. |
| [17:58:00] | Fony_Vaio: | whilst running "sudo /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend" i have a message "Error inserting person", and whilst it hasn't stopped the process, I was just wondering if it meant anything significant? Also, how long should this entire process take? |
| [17:58:00] | PxPert: | yep but for example only to hear music or to view a dvd |
| [17:58:00] | netrix: | Fony_Vaio: first run can take a while, be patient. |
| [17:58:00] | billvortex: | PxPert, frontend will complain that it can't connect |
| [17:58:00] | PxPert: | I've just killed mythbackend and run mythfrontend |
| [17:58:00] | netrix: | not sure about that message tho. |
| [17:59:00] | PxPert: | and it seemed to work and to play videos |
| [17:59:00] | PxPert: | and music and dvd :) |
| [17:59:00] | billvortex: | PxPert, yeah, but randomly you'll get messages about unable to connect |
| [17:59:00] | netrix: | grr. i still can't get my lirc init.d script to work. |
| [17:59:00] | PxPert: | I've only got a connection error when I've closed it |
| [18:01:00] | PxPert: | argh |
| [18:01:00] | PxPert: | understood |
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| [18:02:00] | PxPert: | it doesn't matter, thanks anyway guys |
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| [18:12:00] | tanq: | man every second there is something new i want to add to this box |
| [18:12:00] | tanq: | where is a good place to look for plugins |
| [18:12:00] | tanq: | aside from the standard plugins |
| [18:14:00] | billvortex: | google? |
| [18:17:00] | phoner: | I can get mythmusic to crash on this certain visual |
| [18:17:00] | phoner: | with the gears |
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| [18:19:00] | dagfinnr: | when running: /sbin/modprobe lirc_i2c |
| [18:19:00] | dagfinnr: | ATAL: Module lirc_i2 not found. |
| [18:19:00] | dagfinnr: | FATAL: Error running install command for lirc_i2c |
| [18:19:00] | dagfinnr: | yesterday i didnt get any errors here |
| [18:19:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone know what could be wrong? |
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| [18:20:00] | phoner: | boot into a diff kernel? |
| [18:20:00] | dagfinnr: | i dont think so |
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| [18:20:00] | dagfinnr: | i have only one kernel i think |
| [18:21:00] | PxPert: | loool the web browser is so cool! |
| [18:21:00] | dagfinnr: | with dmesg i see: |
| [18:21:00] | dagfinnr: | irc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61 |
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| [18:22:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone knows why? |
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| [18:24:00] | foobum: | dunno if it's a typo but the error references lirc_i2 |
| [18:24:00] | foobum: | which should be lirc_i2c |
| [18:25:00] | foobum: | hmm, the second line you pasted suggests it was a typo |
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| [18:29:00] | dagfinnr: | yeah |
| [18:29:00] | dagfinnr: | thanks foobum ..my BAD ! |
| [18:29:00] | dagfinnr: | works now :) |
| [18:29:00] | foobum: | ah.. cool |
| [18:31:00] | foobum: | what "stream type" do people use with their PVR cards? I'm using MPEG2-PS atm – does it make any difference? What should I be using? |
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| [18:34:00] | dagfinnr: | same here |
| [18:34:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, use MPEG2-PS. |
| [18:35:00] | Krazylegz: | PVR is MPEG2. VLC has nice documentation on the difference between MPEG2-PS and MPEG2-TS, I believe. |
| [18:35:00] | dagfinnr: | is there any way to remove the phone module? |
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| [18:37:00] | foobum: | Krazylegz: but there are other MPEG2 stream types (DVD-Special 1/2) for example |
| [18:37:00] | foobum: | which I assume produce DVD-compliant mpeg2 |
| [18:37:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, what would you suggest using? |
| [18:38:00] | foobum: | i don't really know – hence the question :) |
| [18:38:00] | Krazylegz: | I thought DVDs used MPEG-PS. |
| [18:38:00] | foobum: | *shrug* |
| [18:38:00] | ** laga uses the "DVD" stream type... ** | |
| [18:38:00] | foobum: | laga: why? |
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| [18:39:00] | laga: | foobum: i've been told that it's used by windows MCE and that's why it works best. |
| [18:39:00] | foobum: | hmm ok |
| [18:40:00] | foobum: | yeah, i've seen a few mailing list posts that say the same thing |
| [18:41:00] | foobum: | apparently PS support is disappearing |
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| [18:42:00] | foobum: | the consensus seems to be DVD Special II |
| [18:43:00] | foobum: | but I'm not really sure why |
| [18:43:00] | laga: | maybe it's just hearsay ;) |
| [18:44:00] | morbidjustice: | Can someone answer a few questions about Myth? |
| [18:44:00] | foobum: | maybe.. ask away |
| [18:45:00] | morbidjustice: | Ok, first of all, I am using Suse 9.3 pro. Is there an RPM for it? |
| [18:46:00] | morbidjustice: | Second, what card(s) should I get for it. |
| [18:46:00] | foobum: | dunno – don't use suse |
| [18:46:00] | foobum: | cards – what do you want to do with it? |
| [18:46:00] | morbidjustice: | NP...I'll just compile it. |
| [18:46:00] | dagfinnr: | when editing the crontab with crontab -e .. how do i save and quit the crontab? |
| [18:46:00] | foobum: | depends on your $EDITOR dagfinnr |
| [18:47:00] | morbidjustice: | I want to record programs from my Directv...pause....ff....rw....etc. |
| [18:47:00] | dagfinnr: | well. it looks like vi or something..and im somewhat familiar with nano..but no other |
| [18:47:00] | foobum: | try :wq |
| [18:47:00] | foobum: | sorry morbidjustice don't know directv either |
| [18:47:00] | morbidjustice: | That's ok. ;) |
| [18:47:00] | foobum: | is it a set top box? |
| [18:48:00] | morbidjustice: | Directv? Yes. |
| [18:48:00] | foobum: | satellite? |
| [18:48:00] | morbidjustice: | Yes. |
| [18:48:00] | dagfinnr: | :wq didnt work foobum ..seems like when typing 'crontab -e' in console it opens in an own editor? |
| [18:49:00] | foobum: | dagfinnr: export EDITOR=nano |
| [18:50:00] | foobum: | morbidjustice: hdtv? |
| [18:50:00] | morbidjustice: | Yes, it will be in just a few house. ;) If the guy shows up. ;) |
| [18:51:00] | foobum: | ok.. i guess you'll need an hdtv capture card and something to control the STB with |
| [18:51:00] | foobum: | (an ir transmitter or something) |
| [18:51:00] | foobum: | but you're well outside my field of experience (UK – no hd) |
| [18:52:00] | foobum: | i'd suggest having a search through http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/ |
| [18:52:00] | morbidjustice: | Ahh...ok, thanks. I do appreciate your trying though. ;) |
| [18:53:00] | morbidjustice: | Question: How do you like Myth? |
| [18:53:00] | dagfinnr: | ty foobum |
| [18:53:00] | foobum: | morbidjustice: it's very cool.. not hugely *polished*, but very cool |
| [18:53:00] | foobum: | dagfinnr: np |
| [18:54:00] | morbidjustice: | foobum: Great. Any crashes? |
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| [18:54:00] | foobum: | not for me |
| [18:55:00] | morbidjustice: | Ok, thanks for your help...I'll give the link a try. |
| [18:55:00] | foobum: | np |
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| [18:59:00] | UncleBill: | hello friends |
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| [19:00:00] | so_: | billvortex, thanks for all the help yesterday |
| [19:01:00] | billvortex: | no problems |
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| [19:02:00] | UncleBill: | out of the blue, mythfilldatabase has stopped working for me. I get hundreds of errors saying "DB Error (Inserting into dd_lineupmap) ... Table 'mythconverg.dd_lineupmap' doesn't exist" (this repeats with other tables of the form dd.XXX) |
| [19:02:00] | UncleBill: | any ideas? |
| [19:02:00] | billvortex: | laga, foobum, Krazylegz, uhh, the stream type in hardware mpeg doesn't affect what the card outputs I beleive. MPEG-TS is what DVB cards output, and MPEG-PS is Prograssive Stream, and it is what progressive scan dvd players tend to use. |
| [19:03:00] | foobum: | billvortex: PS is "program stream" i think – certainly nothing to do with progressive scan |
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| [19:04:00] | billvortex: | foobum, huh. Someone explained it to me the other day as prograssive scan... |
| [19:04:00] | ** billvortex shrugs ** | |
| [19:04:00] | billvortex: | or I'm just misrembering, which could be |
| [19:05:00] | billvortex: | but the fact remainds, no matter what you set that to, the card's output doesn't change. |
| [19:05:00] | foobum: | nah.. "progressive scan" just means not interlaced |
| [19:05:00] | billvortex: | so setting it to dvd wouldn't change how the card outputs to make it work better |
| [19:05:00] | foobum: | ah ok.. thanks |
| [19:05:00] | billvortex: | at least, that's my understanding |
| [19:05:00] | foobum: | i would have thought it would alter the format of the file that gets dumped |
| [19:05:00] | laga: | billvortex: and why can cyou change this setting then? ;) |
| [19:05:00] | billvortex: | laga, myth can't autodetect it? |
| [19:06:00] | billvortex: | laga, and likely it's so myth writes the correct mpeg header? |
| [19:06:00] | laga: | billvortex: wait a second. |
| [19:07:00] | laga: | billvortex: even ivtvtctl can set the stream type. i'll check the source for more info |
| [19:08:00] | billvortex: | huh |
| [19:09:00] | laga: | billvortex: look in ivtv.h |
| [19:09:00] | netrix: | is there a key that goes right to the EPG when watching live tv? |
| [19:11:00] | billvortex: | laga, I am... interesting |
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| [19:11:00] | billvortex: | I wonder which gives best quality for the least space... |
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| [19:13:00] | laga: | netrix: check keys.txt |
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| [19:21:00] | Anduin: | wpiku – Their own site does it both ways: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/insert.html |
| [19:22:00] | netrix: | laga: i did, don't see one there. i wanted one button access to the epg. |
| [19:23:00] | wpiku: | hrmm... |
| [19:23:00] | wpiku: | you're right.. |
| [19:23:00] | wpiku: | I'll figure out why it's bombing |
| [19:23:00] | laga: | netrix: maybe you can set a jump point in mythweb (or however it is called) |
| [19:24:00] | netrix: | another question, using pvr350 tvo out my display seems pushed to the left a bit. i tried the x/y offset but it doesn't seem to make a difference. ideas? |
| [19:26:00] | wpiku: | it doesn't like "repeat" as a column name |
| [19:26:00] | billvortex: | mysql 5? |
| [19:26:00] | wpiku: | I wonder if the cvs schema is changed |
| [19:26:00] | wpiku: | yeah |
| [19:26:00] | billvortex: | yeah, it has |
| [19:26:00] | billvortex: | repeat is now a mysql keyword |
| [19:26:00] | billvortex: | it's fixed in svn |
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| [19:26:00] | wpiku: | damn it.. I didn't want to install cvs.. is it stable? can I just built it and install it? |
| [19:27:00] | wpiku: | or do I have to jump through a lot of hoops? |
| [19:27:00] | wpiku: | and do you know if a 0.18.1 client can use a cvs server ok? |
| [19:27:00] | billvortex: | it's sorta broke at the moment... |
| [19:27:00] | billvortex: | but there's a patch you can do |
| [19:27:00] | wpiku: | yeah.. I think I found it |
| [19:27:00] | wpiku: | patch to 0.18.1 works.. |
| [19:28:00] | billvortex: | it only ads '' around the repeat, which works fine |
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| [19:36:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone have a good repo for yum for emulators? the one at the fedora howto dont work |
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| [19:39:00] | wpiku: | billvortex, ah.. well I could just make that patch myself ;) |
| [19:39:00] | billvortex: | wpiku, there's a patch in gentoo's bugzilla as well, if you want to search |
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| [19:45:00] | wpiku: | billvortex, ah.. even better |
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| [19:46:00] | whyz: | hello everyone. I'm thinking of using mythweb.. i've got the mythtv database on another computer than the one that actually does the recording. Can i put mythweb there too? (meaning, does mythweb only mess around in the database, or does it do something else that needs the mythtv installation?) |
| [19:47:00] | billvortex: | it doesn't need myth or mysql locally |
| [19:48:00] | poop: | afaik it just interacts with the database |
| [19:48:00] | billvortex: | it also interacts with the backend I beleive |
| [19:48:00] | poop: | socket IO from php? |
| [19:48:00] | Fony_Vaio: | I've finished running the long process, and now i've started mythfrontend for the first time. It looks great, and is really responsive, but when i try to watch live tv, the screen goes blank, and then times out after some seconds, and i'm returned to the myth home screen. Here is an output from terminal http://pastebin.ca/34088 |
| [19:49:00] | billvortex: | poop, sure |
| [19:49:00] | billvortex: | poop, for example, the status page is direct from the backend |
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| [19:55:00] | daedius: | hello =) |
| [19:55:00] | daedius: | 2005-12–18 13:56:03.940 Unable to connect to database! |
| [19:55:00] | daedius: | 2005-12–18 13:56:03.949 No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [19:55:00] | daedius: | 2005-12–18 13:56:03.949 Database not open while trying to load setting: QtFontMedium |
| [19:55:00] | Baylink: | Hey. Is mysql *really* up? |
| [19:56:00] | daedius: | yah =) I run wikis on my machine |
| [19:56:00] | daedius: | and they are all functional |
| [19:56:00] | Baylink: | do ps and msql agree on this? |
| [19:56:00] | Baylink: | ah |
| [19:56:00] | Baylink: | Hmmm. |
| [19:56:00] | Baylink: | Version? |
| [19:56:00] | daedius: | 5.0 |
| [19:56:00] | billvortex: | can you access it from other boxes? |
| [19:56:00] | Baylink: | No, silly; Myth |
| [19:56:00] | daedius: | 18.1 -r1 |
| [19:57:00] | daedius: | billvortex, haven't tested that, its all local, so I guessed it should have access to local |
| [19:57:00] | billvortex: | then nm then :) |
| [19:57:00] | daedius: | =) |
| [19:57:00] | Baylink: | But not SVN, daed, right? |
| [19:57:00] | daedius: | right |
| [19:57:00] | Baylink: | Hmmm... |
| [19:57:00] | daedius: | this is a gentoo package |
| [19:57:00] | Baylink: | Was working before? Or new install? |
| [19:58:00] | daedius: | completely new install |
| [19:58:00] | daedius: | are there any logs or verboseness I can run for you? |
| [19:58:00] | Baylink: | You've configured the text file that tells the backend how to find the DBMS, right? |
| [19:58:00] | daedius: | text file? |
| [19:59:00] | daedius: | that I have not =( |
| [19:59:00] | Baylink: | Aha! |
| [19:59:00] | Baylink: | Wait one. |
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| [19:59:00] | daedius: | alright, is that in the handbook? =) |
| [20:00:00] | Baylink: | Have you run mythtv-setup? |
| [20:00:00] | daedius: | actually, that is what i'm running when I get this message |
| [20:00:00] | Baylink: | Hmmm |
| [20:01:00] | Baylink: | Did setup fail before getting to entry screens? |
| [20:02:00] | daedius: | well, it came up =/ its just i'm not sure if any of my settings get saved if I don't have access to the backend |
| [20:03:00] | daedius: | let me double check that the databases exist and all that |
| [20:03:00] | Baylink: | Well, I'd give it a try. That might be a benign message that happens on startup the first time, since you haven't *told* it where the DBMS is. |
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| [20:03:00] | daedius: | sure *nod* =) i'll see where that leads |
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| [20:04:00] | Baylink: | It's worth doing once; it's not worth doing twice, without further investigation. But it *is* a good thing to put in the doco, if that is it, to avoid penalizing the smart people over the stupid ones. |
| [20:04:00] | daedius: | sure ;P |
| [20:08:00] | Fony_Vaio: | anyone know what these errors mean? http://pastebin.ca/34088 I can't watch any live tv. |
| [20:08:00] | daedius: | hmm, i'm getting failed to init MythContext errors.. but it makes it look like it is succeeding when I hit finish |
| [20:09:00] | daedius: | I think that might be due to the database not being found |
| [20:09:00] | daedius: | Baylink, is there nothing more i need to do other that "mysql < mc.sql" could that be a problem at all? |
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| [20:12:00] | penticlex: | I am having trouble getting my saa7135 tuner working |
| [20:12:00] | dagfinnr: | what port does mythweb run at? |
| [20:13:00] | SqWaw: | dagfinnr, whatever apache is running on. |
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| [20:13:00] | penticlex: | oh I think I just got it |
| [20:13:00] | SqWaw: | Fony_Vaio, Could it be a permissions error? |
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| [20:14:00] | Fony_Vaio: | SqWaw: ok, but how can i diagnose that? Are there logs that would tell me, or should i try running the frontend as another user? |
| [20:14:00] | SqWaw: | well first of... |
| [20:15:00] | SqWaw: | where are recording supposed to be stored? |
| [20:15:00] | SqWaw: | /var/cache/mythtv/ ? |
| [20:15:00] | Fony_Vaio: | default |
| [20:15:00] | Fony_Vaio: | yes |
| [20:16:00] | dagfinnr: | how can i remove the phone module from showing? |
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| [20:17:00] | SqWaw: | chmod a+rwx /var/cache/mythtv/ |
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| [20:18:00] | Fony_Vaio: | SqWaw: didn't help. I'm running frontend as root atm to make sure it shouldn't be perms. |
| [20:18:00] | SqWaw: | k |
| [20:20:00] | daedius: | is anyone succesffully using mythtv with mysql 5? |
| [20:22:00] | SqWaw: | im not sure 5 works... |
| [20:22:00] | SqWaw: | im running 4.1.4 |
| [20:22:00] | daedius: | doh =( |
| [20:22:00] | laga: | mysql 5 breaks with datadirect |
| [20:22:00] | daedius: | that would be my problem then =/ |
| [20:23:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone know how to remove modules from showing at the front page / remove it completely? (im thinking of the phone module) |
| [20:23:00] | mofu: | dagfinnr: just delete the binary I think |
| [20:23:00] | mofu: | unless you want to edit it out of the xml file |
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| [20:26:00] | Andreax: | I played around with the remote control of my aver771 and mythtv.. I succeed so far, with one drawback. I dunno how i forbid, that the bttv-driver sends the keystrokes directly to terminal. I like to use lircd just with the event-device... |
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| [20:27:00] | laga: | Andreax: i believe that lirc has a driver for those event devices, but i'm not too sure. BTW, there is also a german chatroom (#mythtv-de), if you're located in germany (which is what your hostname tells me ;)) |
| [20:28:00] | Andreax: | Oh, it is...? |
| [20:28:00] | Andreax: | lircd works perfectly with the event device at the moment... |
| [20:28:00] | laga: | i'm not sure if i understood your problem then |
| [20:29:00] | Andreax: | the damn thing is that keystroke also get mapped to terminals without lircd loaded... |
| [20:29:00] | Andreax: | automaticly from the drivers of the card i think... |
| [20:29:00] | Andreax: | Its not easy to explain... ;) |
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| [20:29:00] | laga: | hehe. it should be easy to tell X not to use the event device. i dunno how it could be fixed for the console |
| [20:30:00] | Andreax: | terminal and x use the event-device per default ? |
| [20:30:00] | laga: | it's possible, look at your X config |
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| [20:31:00] | Andreax: | There is nothing to find regarding event-device thats the thing... Or i am blind.. ;) |
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| [20:31:00] | laga: | well, i've never used such a setup, that's why i'm not much of a help |
| [20:32:00] | Andreax: | Ah, its fun. |
| [20:32:00] | poonj: | hey guys |
| [20:32:00] | abarbaccia: | jams, you around? |
| [20:32:00] | poonj: | I have a mythtbox that is using TV out on my nvidia fx5200 video card. |
| [20:33:00] | poonj: | however, when I play either a movie or dvd in full screen, I get this weird blue border around the screen |
| [20:33:00] | abarbaccia: | anybody look into hauppauge's PVR-150-USB2? susposedly you can set it up fairly easliy and get a USB hardware encoding tv tuner |
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| [20:33:00] | poonj: | it seems off center...I do'nt know what I can do to fix it... |
| [20:35:00] | AlienBaby: | Sound issues with pvr 350 |
| [20:35:00] | poop: | poonj: You need to set "XV_COLORKEY" (xvinfo to see the current value) |
| [20:35:00] | laga: | poonj: blue border? search gossamer for xvattr |
| [20:35:00] | AlienBaby: | would love some help before I pull the rest of my hair out :) |
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| [20:36:00] | poop: | Alien: You haven't said what the issues are. |
| [20:37:00] | AlienBaby: | I can hear audio from my Sound Card's output. and I have the SoundCard's output connected to the PVR 350's Audio in.. |
| [20:37:00] | AlienBaby: | but I get no sound |
| [20:37:00] | AlienBaby: | i'm doing ivtv-fb |
| [20:37:00] | poop: | That sounds like a weird configuration, but I don't use ivtv. |
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| [20:38:00] | AlienBaby: | there is another option? other than ivtv? |
| [20:38:00] | poop: | Probably not for pvr-?50 cards |
| [20:39:00] | Fony_Vaio: | i tried restarting myth backend and got an authentication error as here: http://pastebin.ca/34090 Is this soemthing to do with my issue in not being able to watch live tv? |
| [20:39:00] | daedius: | anybody in here use plextor cards? |
| [20:39:00] | penticlex: | yay I got video |
| [20:40:00] | penticlex: | now for the sound |
| [20:40:00] | poop: | sound is always trixy |
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| [20:41:00] | AlienBaby: | seems like my PVR 350's audio in or the RCA output of the PVR 350 is muted. |
| [20:41:00] | AlienBaby: | but I can't figure out how to check or adjust it |
| [20:41:00] | Yashie: | does mythtv work w/o a program guide? |
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| [20:43:00] | poop: | This is the first time I've tried to just use the soundcard for recording bttv audio (always used btaudio with the tuner) |
| [20:43:00] | poop: | Even tools like sox just bomb out |
| [20:43:00] | AlienBaby: | No clues? |
| [20:43:00] | AlienBaby: | no sound on a PVR 350 for live tv? |
| [20:44:00] | Yashie: | AlienBaby, alsamixer? |
| [20:44:00] | AlienBaby: | yes alsa |
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| [20:51:00] | AlienBaby: | All volumes are high and unmuted |
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| [20:53:00] | dknowles: | has anyone noticed major memory leakage in mythtv? |
| [20:54:00] | AlienBaby: | no ideas? I'm all out.. and most the docs I've found appear to be out of date |
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| [20:54:00] | poop: | When I use the native OSS driver and try to record from /dev/dsp, I get a loud buzzing. |
| [20:54:00] | AlienBaby: | and I'm running on Gentoo if that's important |
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| [20:57:00] | AlienBaby: | should I be setting the mythfrontend to something other than ALSA:default ? |
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| [20:57:00] | AlienBaby: | think I have it set to /dev/sound/dsp right now. |
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| [20:58:00] | abarbaccia: | anybody here use mythburn? |
| [20:59:00] | abarbaccia: | or nuv2disc? |
| [20:59:00] | Baylink: | I was looking into all of those solutions... |
| [20:59:00] | Baylink: | and they had a much too steep "get married to 15 codebases" problem. |
| [20:59:00] | Baylink: | For me. |
| [21:00:00] | abarbaccia: | what do you mean 15 codebases? |
| [21:00:00] | dev-: | he's a playah |
| [21:00:00] | abarbaccia: | all i want to know is which one is better |
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| [21:01:00] | dev-: | the better one |
| [21:01:00] | dev-: | probably |
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| [21:02:00] | Baylink: | Each of them depends on other things, which depend on other things, etc, etc; and none of them seems to be a clean install on SuSE. |
| [21:02:00] | Baylink: | "playah?" |
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| [21:04:00] | poop: | hah, using native OSS just makes mythfrontend seg fault on startup |
| [21:04:00] | Chutt: | mythfrontend doesn't touch the audio device until you start playing something |
| [21:04:00] | Chutt: | so using 'native oss' wouldn't cause a crash on startup. |
| [21:05:00] | poop: | Well, that's the change that immediately preceded this problem. |
| [21:05:00] | Baylink: | Does changing it back make the problem go away? |
| [21:05:00] | poop: | It's worth a shot! |
| [21:05:00] | Baylink: | Coincidence is worth investigating, but doesn't *imply* causation. |
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| [21:06:00] | poop: | Maybe it was the other thing then. |
| [21:06:00] | poop: | Wait, there's no other thing. |
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| [21:06:00] | poop: | The change could, of course, have cause other changes. |
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| [21:07:00] | dev-: | meaning multiple causation! |
| [21:07:00] | dev-: | oh the heavens! |
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| [21:14:00] | AlienBaby: | Any idea where to begin troubleshooting a pvr 350 tv out sound problem |
| [21:14:00] | AlienBaby: | ? |
| [21:16:00] | AlienBaby: | just did a cat of a recorded video file to /dev/video16 and heard sound.. but nothing with myth live or viewing recorded.. |
| [21:17:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone using xine for dvd playback here? |
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| [21:20:00] | Krazylegz: | dagfinnr: Me. |
| [21:21:00] | dagfinnr: | Krazylegz, did you get the remote working? |
| [21:23:00] | dagfinnr: | theres like 3 buttons working here |
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| [21:25:00] | Krazylegz: | dagfinnr: Yes, mine works. |
| [21:25:00] | Krazylegz: | It worked out of the box with KnoppMyth. Which distro are you using? |
| [21:25:00] | Krazylegz: | Also, which remote? |
| [21:27:00] | dagfinnr: | im using fedora and hauppage remote wich came with pvr150 |
| [21:27:00] | dagfinnr: | only mute and play works..hehe |
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| [21:30:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. Well, I have my files if you need them, but I'm just using what came with KnoppMyth for now. |
| [21:31:00] | dagfinnr: | hm, so every button works fine with xine for you? |
| [21:31:00] | Krazylegz: | Yes. |
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| [21:41:00] | Esotericisms: | Krazylegz, I got a better remote, if you don't mind spending $30–40 |
| [21:41:00] | Krazylegz: | Esotericisms: Hit me. |
| [21:41:00] | Esotericisms: | plus you can program all your other remotes to it too :) |
| [21:41:00] | Krazylegz: | Sounds good. |
| [21:42:00] | Krazylegz: | Esotericisms: Which remote is it? |
| [21:42:00] | Esotericisms: | Krazylegz, I am tryin to find a link to ti ... it seems the manufacturer might have a new model now :/ ... just sec |
| [21:43:00] | Krazylegz: | Okay. Thanks! |
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| [21:44:00] | Esotericisms: | http://www.case-mod.com/store/niveus-remote-control-p-860.html |
| [21:44:00] | Krazylegz: | Looks fancy. |
| [21:44:00] | Esotericisms: | you will need a custom driver for it that you will have to compile into the kernel or as a module for the kernel, I think I can dig up the driver.c file from my mythbox ... let me go look |
| [21:46:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah I have the remote.c file still laying around |
| [21:46:00] | Krazylegz: | Cool. |
| [21:46:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, it's an RF remote. |
| [21:46:00] | Esotericisms: | so ... if you get the remote hit me up ... |
| [21:46:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah |
| [21:47:00] | poop: | You voted to give more money and freedom to corrupt politicians? |
| [21:47:00] | Krazylegz: | As well as IR? |
| [21:47:00] | Esotericisms: | yes |
| [21:47:00] | poop: | woops |
| [21:47:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. Does your driver also let me use it as a mouse? |
| [21:47:00] | Esotericisms: | yes |
| [21:47:00] | Esotericisms: | though that part doesn't work for me anymore, not sure why ... but when I originally go the remote.c and compiled it in it worked :) |
| [21:48:00] | Esotericisms: | I think I jacked something up somewhere in x windows ... but I don't care :) |
| [21:48:00] | Krazylegz: | Cool, that would be handy. |
| [21:48:00] | Esotericisms: | it is a great remote, I love it and I don't have to worry about the stupid pos linux infra-red client bullshit that never works right |
| [21:48:00] | Krazylegz: | That would be a nice remote for me probably, but I don't think I want to spend the cash at this time. |
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| [21:49:00] | poop: | That's fucked up. I created a new database, restored alsa, and the front end still just segfaults after reading a bit from the database. |
| [21:57:00] | Baylink: | v 0.18. :-) |
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| [22:00:00] | poop: | Way to not endorse the status quo, you anarchist. |
| [22:00:00] | DaddyMak: | I've been searching all morning for an answer to my serial port/dct2244 woes, is there anyone authoritative around? |
| [22:03:00] | Fony_Vaio: | what is the default mythtv user password? |
| [22:04:00] | DaddyMak: | Well, I'll ask one question to start, I read somewhere that the python scripts used to change channels need python 2.2, should a newer version (2.4) work as well? |
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| [22:05:00] | Esotericisms: | Krazylegz, it is worth it though :) |
| [22:10:00] | Fony_Vaio: | what's the default mythtv user password? |
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| [22:13:00] | foobum: | Fony_Vaio: for the database? |
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| [22:16:00] | Fony_Vaio: | foobum: I want to run mythtv-setup, but i thought i was supposed to run it as mythtv user. I tried that now by su mythtv user from root user, and it when i run mythtv-setup it says it can't connect to the xserver. |
| [22:17:00] | DaddyMak: | open a new console and type "xhost +" |
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| [22:17:00] | DaddyMak: | that has to be run as whatever user you're logged into x with |
| [22:18:00] | DaddyMak: | GiantPickle_, Are you using Myth with a Shaw DCT? |
| [22:19:00] | poop: | mmm, pickles |
| [22:19:00] | DaddyMak: | try 'em with peanut butter |
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| [22:24:00] | GiantPickle_: | DaddyMak: I'm not acutally. You? |
| [22:30:00] | so_: | Fony_Vaio, passwd mythtv ? |
| [22:30:00] | poop: | My fan remote control just _exploded_ when I dropped it. |
| [22:30:00] | so_: | or do you have to change it in the database too? |
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| [22:33:00] | so_: | 3 |
| [22:33:00] | so_: | `uj |
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| [22:36:00] | tanq: | what does myth video do? |
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| [22:36:00] | tanq: | and myth-game |
| [22:37:00] | AlienBaby: | this pvr 350 sound problem is killing me.. |
| [22:37:00] | ** dev- checks for pulse... yup. still good. ** | |
| [22:37:00] | dev-: | not enough yet ;/ |
| [22:37:00] | dev-: | come on 350! you can do it! |
| [22:38:00] | AlienBaby: | I cannot figure it out. |
| [22:38:00] | poop: | Alien: Why are you running cables again? Are you recording from the tuner? |
| [22:38:00] | AlienBaby: | alsa sound levels are up and not muted |
| [22:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | poop: why do you continue to use that horrible nickname lol |
| [22:38:00] | dev-: | were you the one saying you can cat /dev/video and it has sound but in myth it doesnt? |
| [22:38:00] | AlienBaby: | cat of a mpg to /dev/video16 gives sound |
| [22:38:00] | ** poop steams ** | |
| [22:39:00] | dev-: | you check rechecked and then fixed your sound settings in myth, right? as thats where the problem is |
| [22:39:00] | AlienBaby: | Internal sound option is disabled |
| [22:39:00] | AlienBaby: | in mythfrondend |
| [22:39:00] | AlienBaby: | use of PVR350 tv out sound is checked in mythfrondend |
| [22:39:00] | poop: | Alien: What is your output device in mythfrontend? |
| [22:39:00] | SlicerDicer-: | poop: lol |
| [22:40:00] | AlienBaby: | head phones have sound on sound card's audio out |
| [22:40:00] | ** poop waits patiently ** | |
| [22:40:00] | AlienBaby: | slash dev slash sound slash dsp |
| [22:41:00] | dev-: | man, 1045$ amex hehe |
| [22:41:00] | dev-: | damn christmas! :) |
| [22:41:00] | AlienBaby: | ALSA:default doesn't work for me.. |
| [22:41:00] | poop: | Alien: And what -ao are you using with mplayer? |
| [22:41:00] | dev-: | /dev/sound/dsp? ok, well, that sounds right since you're getting audio out of your headphones... which as you said are connected to your soundcards audio out.. |
| [22:42:00] | dev-: | doesnt seem to be a prob... where's the sound supposed to come out? :P |
| [22:42:00] | AlienBaby: | I have the Sound Card audio out cabled to the PVR 350's audio in |
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| [22:42:00] | AlienBaby: | I have no idea |
| [22:42:00] | poop: | You, uh, what? |
| [22:42:00] | dev-: | why ? |
| [22:42:00] | poop: | You're not doing any analog recording with a pvr card's tuner, right? |
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| [22:43:00] | AlienBaby: | I have no idea where to sound should come out physically.. |
| [22:43:00] | dev-: | heh. it should come out of your soudncard and go into your tv |
| [22:43:00] | dev-: | not out of your soundcard and back into your tuner card.. |
| [22:43:00] | AlienBaby: | trying to do the ivtv-fb method.. |
| [22:43:00] | poop: | sounds like a big loop to me |
| [22:44:00] | AlienBaby: | alrighty then.. another trip to Radio Shack.. |
| [22:44:00] | poop: | gonna return your cables? |
| [22:44:00] | poop: | Alien: Are you using the pvr-350's tuner or not? |
| [22:44:00] | dev-: | you want 8mm to rca |
| [22:44:00] | AlienBaby: | Nah.. might need that 1/8 male to 1/8 male in the future.. |
| [22:44:00] | AlienBaby: | yes |
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| [22:45:00] | AlienBaby: | thanks. |
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| [22:46:00] | dev-: | interesting |
| [22:46:00] | ** poop applies a powersander to lilo's boobs ** | |
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| [22:53:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. Upgrading my hard drive and optical drive on my Mythbox have made me realize how many other things I hadn't setup... |
| [22:53:00] | Krazylegz: | Webmin is a start. |
| [22:55:00] | Krazylegz: | Blah. I never liked webmin. |
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| [22:56:00] | heinola: | hello all again |
| [22:56:00] | Zoom: | I have a setup with one PVR250 tuner and it used to work fine but now when I go to view the files it records the ending time is constantly changing and skipping forward/back is slower... |
| [22:57:00] | Zoom: | I haven't rebooted in a while, but I was wondering if anyone knows what I am talking about |
| [22:57:00] | Fony_Vaio: | wow... radiotimes listings are comprehensive! i see so much information scrolling! |
| [23:00:00] | so_: | any idea what package sndconfig is in? |
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| [23:01:00] | so_: | looks like sndconfig is the package, can't get apt-get to install it though |
| [23:02:00] | Krazylegz: | apt-get install soundcardconfig |
| [23:02:00] | Krazylegz: | Better yet, do apt-cache search sndconfig . |
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| [23:04:00] | so_: | soundcardconfig-knoppix but sndconfig isn't in that package |
| [23:05:00] | so_: | reinstalling that :) |
| [23:06:00] | tanq: | are there any known issues with this last release of the myth plugins? |
| [23:06:00] | so_: | hmmm after removing it, it won't go back in :) :( |
| [23:06:00] | tanq: | i was getting errors from myth-browser |
| [23:07:00] | tanq: | so I removed it from config.pro and all seems to be well so far |
| [23:08:00] | Krazylegz: | so_: sndconfig should be in there. |
| [23:08:00] | Krazylegz: | That's the exact same package I have (KnoppMyth). |
| [23:08:00] | rtsai: | does mythweb care if you use apache or apache2? Apache2 doesn't seem to have a mod_env, which the mythweb README seems to require |
| [23:08:00] | ** Krazylegz uses Apache1 ** | |
| [23:09:00] | tanq: | hrmmm nope.. its like i'm getting errors because it can't find the header files |
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| [23:09:00] | tanq: | can someone grab the latest mythplugins and try to build them |
| [23:09:00] | tanq: | so i know its not just me. |
| [23:09:00] | tanq: | s/its/it's/ |
| [23:10:00] | so_: | Krazylegz, I did a dpkg -L and it wasn't in there, and when I ran soundcard-config it was complaining it was missing |
| [23:10:00] | dagfinnr: | how can i sync the time with a timeserver? |
| [23:10:00] | daddymak_: | GiantPickle_, I'm not yet, but I'm tryin'. |
| [23:10:00] | daddymak_: | Wanted to know if you had serial channel changing working |
| [23:10:00] | so_: | dagfinnr, configure ntpd or use ntpdate |
| [23:10:00] | tanq: | dagfinnr: ntpd |
| [23:10:00] | dev-: | dagfinnr: google ntpd – man ntpd – apropos ntpd |
| [23:11:00] | tanq: | or you can put ntpd -s on cron. |
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| [23:11:00] | tanq: | err |
| [23:11:00] | tanq: | no that wouldnt be a good idea |
| [23:11:00] | so_: | how about just: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| [23:12:00] | splat1 is now known as splAt1 | |
| [23:12:00] | tanq: | man i'm so close.. |
| [23:12:00] | tanq: | i just need to get these plugins builr |
| [23:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Is aviManager really that cool? |
| [23:12:00] | tanq: | s/r/t |
| [23:12:00] | Krazylegz: | I mean, should I spend time getting it to work, or just give up? |
| [23:14:00] | daddymak_: | Is anyone here using a python script to change the channel on either a dct2224 or dct2524? |
| [23:15:00] | tanq: | daddymak_: not me |
| [23:16:00] | daddymak_: | or any program/script to change the dct's channel via serial |
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| [23:21:00] | so_: | Krazylegz, /etc/init.d/alsa-autoconfig worked for me |
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| [23:28:00] | heinola: | hello all i got a error trying to run mythtv-setup |
| [23:28:00] | heinola: | QMYSQL3: Unable to connect |
| [23:28:00] | heinola: | Database error was: |
| [23:28:00] | heinola: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [23:28:00] | rtsai: | I keep getting from mythweb: "An unknown module was specified": mythweb |
| [23:29:00] | heinola: | isatalled plugin for mythweb? |
| [23:29:00] | heinola: | i just set up mythtv on knoppmyth but now i am trying slackware 10.2 lol lots of fun |
| [23:30:00] | rtsai: | Hmm. I have to do http://mythbox/mythweb/ no longer works) |
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| [23:34:00] | daddymak_: | heinola, does 'mythtv' have access to the db via localhost? |
| [23:35:00] | Hoxzer: | Heinola sounds like finnish guy |
| [23:39:00] | heinola: | does not look like it is |
| [23:39:00] | heinola: | im not a real db person |
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| [23:40:00] | DaddyMak: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
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| [23:40:00] | wesleyiscool: | I want to use mythtv |
| [23:41:00] | dagfinnr (n=mythtv@cD90889B5.sdsl.catch.no) Quit ("Forlater kanalen") | |
| [23:41:00] | wesleyiscool: | but I cant |
| [23:42:00] | heinola: | no its not |
| [23:42:00] | DaddyMak: | heinola, ? |
| [23:42:00] | heinola: | Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111) |
| [23:42:00] | heinola: | this is after a mythfilldatabase |
| [23:42:00] | DaddyMak: | did you follow the instrucations at the bottom of that page I just posted? |
| [23:42:00] | wesleyiscool: | because i have windows |
| [23:42:00] | wesleyiscool: | T_T |
| [23:43:00] | DaddyMak: | heinola, is the process still running? |
| [23:43:00] | heinola: | been threw those |
| [23:43:00] | DaddyMak: | maybe mysql crashed after the fill |
| [23:44:00] | heinola: | bash-3.00# mysql -u root < mc.sql |
| [23:44:00] | heinola: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [23:44:00] | heinola: | and then i ran |
| [23:45:00] | heinola: | bash-3.00# mysql -u root -p < mc.sql |
| [23:45:00] | heinola: | Enter password: |
| [23:45:00] | heinola: | ERROR 1007 (HY000) at line 1: Can't create database 'mythconverg'; database exists |
| [23:45:00] | heinola: | from withis /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.18.1/database as root |
| [23:46:00] | daddymak_: | try starting all over |
| [23:46:00] | daddymak_: | but first |
| [23:46:00] | daddymak_: | mysqladmin -u root -p drop mythconverg |
| [23:47:00] | daddymak_: | (this will blow away your db) |
| [23:47:00] | heinola: | ok did it |
| [23:48:00] | heinola: | mysql < mc.sql from /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.18.1/database went ok |
| [23:49:00] | heinola: | it is a finnish name of a town near me in MN USA |
| [23:49:00] | heinola: | :) |
| [23:50:00] | wesleyiscool: | I want to use Mythtv |
| [23:51:00] | kcid: | you said that |
| [23:51:00] | kcid: | :p |
| [23:52:00] | wesleyiscool: | how can I use mythtv |
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| [23:55:00] | daddymak_: | wesleyiscool, install linux |
| [23:55:00] | Hoxzer: | :) |
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| [23:57:00] | wesleyiscool: | i dont have the money to :( |
| [23:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | You mean to purchase the computer to run it on ? |
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| [23:58:00] | wesleyiscool: | to buy linux T_T |
| [23:58:00] | daddymak_: | linux is free |
| [23:58:00] | wesleyiscool: | it is? |
| [23:58:00] | wesleyiscool: | isnt it like windows and macintosh? |
| [23:58:00] | daddymak_: | man, you've got a long road ahead of you if you didn't know that |
| [23:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | uhhhh no |
| [23:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | Linux is free |
| [23:59:00] | wesleyiscool: | wow |
| [23:59:00] | wesleyiscool: | how? |
| [23:59:00] | wesleyiscool: | why? |
| [23:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | because it is |
| [23:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | open source and free |
| [23:59:00] | wesleyiscool: | When? What? Who? |
| [23:59:00] | wesleyiscool: | Open Source? what does that mean? |
| [23:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | some might charge you to get preburned copies and manuals but it's all free |
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