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| [00:00:00] | tanq: | ok mode2 works now |
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| [00:02:00] | tanq: | so what daemon has to be running for myth to work |
| [00:02:00] | tanq: | err the remote to work in myth |
| [00:02:00] | Krazylegz: | lirc |
| [00:03:00] | tanq: | ok so lirc is running and when i have mythfrontend open i can't do anything with the remote |
| [00:03:00] | hfb: | tanq, You have to record your keys. |
| [00:03:00] | praet: | tanq did you check your mappings with irw? |
| [00:04:00] | hfb: | Or see if there is a default file to use. |
| [00:04:00] | praet: | lircd.conf |
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| [00:17:00] | tanq: | i have my lircd.con praet |
| [00:17:00] | tanq: | and its mapped right.. i checked it with irw |
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| [00:20:00] | hfb: | Assuming that everything is configure right, did you restart the myth backend? |
| [00:20:00] | tanq: | i rebooted my box |
| [00:20:00] | tanq: | so yes |
| [00:22:00] | tanq: | bbiab gotta take care ofm y daughter for a bit |
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| [01:00:00] | tanq: | ok i'm back |
| [01:02:00] | tanq: | so back to my remote not working in myth.. |
| [01:07:00] | weizur: | run the tester program and check to make sure its sending commands |
| [01:07:00] | weizur: | then double check your configuration make sure they're the right commands for your remote |
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| [01:12:00] | tanq: | done that already |
| [01:13:00] | tanq: | i pulled a config from the web that is for this remote that i checked against irw output |
| [01:13:00] | tanq: | the only thing i want to know is if the format for the command is like LEFT 0x0000000000001F96 |
| [01:13:00] | tanq: | or just the 1f96 |
| [01:14:00] | tanq: | does it need the full length or just the last 4 |
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| [01:17:00] | adante: | anybody know why enabling acpi would cause my sound to start juttering in myth? |
| [01:17:00] | adante: | its ever so gradual, usually onset by cpu activity in other processes |
| [01:18:00] | kormoc: | it could, it depends on your chipset. might as well try disabling it and see if it goes away? |
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| [01:27:00] | adante: | yeah it does, i've been running without acpi for nearly a year now |
| [01:27:00] | adante: | but now unfortunately i need it as the family is getting crabby at the system being always on |
| [01:27:00] | adante: | brb |
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| [01:29:00] | adante: | so yer |
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| [01:31:00] | UbuntuNewbee: | hi all |
| [01:31:00] | UbuntuNewbee: | is there anyway to only install the frontend without the backend? |
| [01:31:00] | kormoc: | not via rpm's or dep's I don't beleive. |
| [01:32:00] | praet: | mybe knoppmyth |
| [01:33:00] | praet is now known as praet^ | |
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| [01:37:00] | adante: | in gentoo, frontendonly use flag |
| [01:38:00] | kormoc: | one would guess that UbuntuNewbee would be using Ubuntu :) |
| [01:38:00] | kormoc: | I should talk to Cardoe about a backendonly useflag... |
| [01:38:00] | kormoc: | have no X depends |
| [01:38:00] | Krazylegz: | kormoc: That's not kosher. |
| [01:39:00] | kormoc: | Krazylegz, what's not? |
| [01:39:00] | Krazylegz: | backendonly |
| [01:39:00] | kormoc: | ahh, yeah, it's not, but it would be really handy |
| [01:39:00] | Chutt: | the frontendonly/backendonly compile flags are for _porting purposes only_ |
| [01:39:00] | ** kormoc nods. ** | |
| [01:40:00] | Chutt: | compile time requirements are identical, the size of the binaries is almost the same. |
| [01:40:00] | Chutt: | there's basically no benefit to doing either on a linux box. |
| [01:40:00] | kormoc: | Chutt, ooh? there's no way to get around the X requirements for the backend? |
| [01:40:00] | Chutt: | of course not. |
| [01:40:00] | kormoc: | ooh right, it uses the QT mysql lib... |
| [01:40:00] | Chutt: | of course, then, it doesn't actually connect to the x server. |
| [01:41:00] | Chutt: | so it's just a matter of having the x libs installed on a machine, which are tiny. |
| [01:43:00] | kormoc: | yeah, that's an issue with gentoo's method. I'd need to install the full X org install to get the X libs. |
| [01:43:00] | kormoc: | which is something I had hoped to avoid, but ahh well, tis how it is |
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| [01:47:00] | tanq: | so do i need anything else aside from lirc like irexec? |
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| [01:59:00] | poop: | I just tried to get something done in windos. |
| [01:59:00] | poop: | I don't know how many times I have to learn this lesson. |
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| [02:00:00] | poop: | Anyone using spdif on a recent kernel? |
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| [02:04:00] | weizur: | where are the logs for the frontend located? |
| [02:04:00] | poop: | stdout |
| [02:05:00] | weizur: | it doiesn't save them? |
| [02:06:00] | Servo888: | Ok you guys, my pvr 150 mce lp, is NOT giving me 30fps... It seems more like 24 (dvd playback). |
| [02:06:00] | poop: | waha, now spdif works |
| [02:06:00] | Servo888: | the video seems to 'shutter' sort of during motion, and I'm getting a lot of 'breaking up' like you get the lines between the picture (not interlacing right) |
| [02:07:00] | Servo888: | cpu though is only at 20–30% |
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| [02:15:00] | Servo888: | Also would anything cause the video to become very grainy? The signal use to be very strong, but now it's really weak (strangly). I'm not sure if it's tuner related or line related |
| [02:15:00] | tanq: | what is the purpose of irexec |
| [02:15:00] | Servo888: | tanq, to run applications |
| [02:15:00] | tanq: | ok so i'm trying to figure out why i can't get my remote to work in myth |
| [02:16:00] | Servo888: | Is irexec running? |
| [02:16:00] | tanq: | it is now |
| [02:16:00] | Servo888: | irexec and mythtv need to run at the same time. |
| [02:16:00] | tanq: | but does it need to run |
| [02:16:00] | tanq: | ok. |
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| [02:17:00] | tanq: | nothing |
| [02:18:00] | Servo888: | Can you post your .lirc file? Copy/paste is over to pastebin |
| [02:19:00] | tanq: | ok |
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| [02:19:00] | tanq: | both the .lircd.conf and lircrc |
| [02:20:00] | tanq: | Servo888: here is the lircd.conf: http://pastebin.ca/33844 |
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| [02:21:00] | Servo888: | Also run irw in the console and see if your remote responds to the keys. |
| [02:24:00] | poop: | What program will play a dvd directory on a hard drive? |
| [02:25:00] | weizur: | anyone ever have a problem with your frontend crashing/exiting from the back button on the remote even though you have it set to need a ctrl esc to exit |
| [02:25:00] | tanq: | Servo888: i have already done that and the keys map right |
| [02:25:00] | tanq: | Servo888: http://pastebin.ca/33845 here is my .lircrc |
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| [02:26:00] | Servo888: | tanq, who gave you that config (.lircrc? |
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| [02:28:00] | tanq: | Servo888: i got it from a website |
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| [02:30:00] | Servo888: | ok... For that to work I think mythtv needs to have lirc support built in. But I'm not 100% sure because the configuration script doesn't allow the '--enable-lirc' option. One option you have that I know works is instead of using prog = mythtv, is to use prog = irxevent. |
| [02:30:00] | tanq: | i got that lircrc from http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt |
| [02:31:00] | tanq: | using this tutorial: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#lirc |
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| [02:33:00] | tanq: | if i change everything to irxeven then i get a bad config error |
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| [02:33:00] | Servo888: | tanq, I don't know really... It could be out of date. I suggest you follow the documentation on mythtv.org instead. http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html#ss8.5 (scroll down a bit for information on setting up the .lircrc file) |
| [02:34:00] | Servo888: | tanq, you need to change the config as well |
| [02:34:00] | tanq: | which config? |
| [02:34:00] | Servo888: | the "config =" option in .lircrc |
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| [02:42:00] | Servo888: | Ok wtf... I was having problems of my input signal degrading (ALOT), and after I rebooted it seems fine... Anybody heard of this? |
| [02:43:00] | tanq: | ok Servo888 so what about turning myth on and off with irxevent? |
| [02:43:00] | Servo888: | What do you mean on and off? |
| [02:45:00] | tanq: | well right now I am running this from X and what if i want to surf my box on my tv.. |
| [02:45:00] | tanq: | and then if i hit the power button it will exec a script |
| [02:45:00] | tanq: | do I say prog= irexec |
| [02:45:00] | Servo888: | Yes you can have irexec run a script to do what ever you want |
| [02:45:00] | tanq: | and config = mythfrontend or something like that |
| [02:46:00] | Servo888: | yes |
| [02:46:00] | tanq: | ok well that didnt work |
| [02:46:00] | tanq: | heh |
| [02:46:00] | Servo888: | Make sure irexec is running in the background |
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| [02:52:00] | tanq: | Servo888: it is |
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| [03:05:00] | tanq: | how do you run irexec and irxevent together? |
| [03:05:00] | tanq: | its like i get one or the other when both daemons are running. |
| [03:06:00] | tanq: | so i use irexec to start but then channel up and down don't work with prog=irxevent |
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| [03:33:00] | Wabush: | anyone using a twinhan 1020a dvb-s? |
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| [03:50:00] | phoner: | every time mythtv crasheds it makes the baby jesus cry |
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| [03:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | Wabush: I do |
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| [04:04:00] | tanq: | yay |
| [04:04:00] | tanq: | ok now to get alsa working with on board sound. |
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| [04:16:00] | Wabush: | Hi GreyFoxx |
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| [04:19:00] | Wabush: | GreyFoxx: Which provider are you receiving with your 1020? |
| [04:19:00] | Wabush: | Greyfoxx: I'm having some problem for scanning transponders |
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| [04:21:00] | Wabush: | GreyFoxx: I finally have a channels.conf, using szap I can tune in |
| [04:22:00] | Wabush: | But I can't get any signal with Mythtv |
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| [04:24:00] | tanq: | is there any problem using OSS with myth instead of ALSA? |
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| [04:29:00] | ** Klatuu can't change his keybindings ** | |
| [04:34:00] | poop: | tanq: OSS is going to (finally) be gone someday, so you might as well prepare for it. |
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| [04:34:00] | tanq: | yeah i'll prepare for it another day.. |
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| [04:45:00] | kcid_: | hi tanq |
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| [04:53:00] | tanq: | great now it lags when i get sound working |
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| [04:53:00] | tanq: | hrmm.. guess i'll buy more memory tomorrow |
| [04:53:00] | tanq: | hey kcid_ |
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| [05:02:00] | knowledgejunkie: | mythweb question: what could be causing mythweb to successfully sort some pages (Schedules/Recorded/Upcoming) but fail to sort others (canned searches/program searches)? |
| [05:02:00] | fallenangel: | Can anyone help me, my mythtv schedule is off 5 hours, I have tried, Auto, None, and my time zone. I also tried setting my system variable to local instead of UTC, no luck though. The time in the upper right hand corner is correct and also the time retured from hwclocl. any ideas? |
| [05:03:00] | knowledgejunkie: | I've just posted the Q to the mailing list, but thought I'd check out the IRC channel first |
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| [05:04:00] | oblib: | Are there guides to how to use the modules like MythMusic? |
| [05:07:00] | poop: | fallen: Did you mythfilldatabase after you made the changes? |
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| [05:09:00] | fallenangel: | yeah everytime |
| [05:09:00] | oblib: | mythtv.org is down? |
| [05:10:00] | fallenangel: | poop: when i mess with time settings, even OS settings, do i have to restart the mythbackend or shouldn't that matter? |
| [05:12:00] | poop: | fallenangel: The time info gets put into the database adjust for TZ iirc. |
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| [05:13:00] | poop: | adjusted |
| [05:13:00] | fallenangel: | so i shouldn't have restart the backend to see changes? |
| [05:13:00] | fallenangel: | filldatabase shoudl do it? |
| [05:15:00] | poop: | fallen: I always restart the backend just to be safe. |
| [05:17:00] | fallenangel: | ok, thanks |
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| [05:17:00] | knowledgejunkie: | oblib: mythtv.org seems OK |
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| [05:19:00] | oblib: | yup all better |
| [05:19:00] | oblib: | Are there guides to how to use the modules like MythMusic? |
| [05:19:00] | tanq: | great |
| [05:20:00] | tanq: | now the video doesnt work again after i compiled in oss |
| [05:20:00] | tanq: | i swear this is never ending |
| [05:22:00] | oblib: | For example, how do I create and save a playlist? |
| [05:24:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: use Modular X |
| [05:24:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: I just marked up the entire tree. |
| [05:24:00] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [05:24:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: MythTV installs on a raw box with like 12 X deps |
| [05:24:00] | Cardoe: | most of them being header files |
| [05:24:00] | Cardoe: | so the emerge time is like nil |
| [05:24:00] | kormoc: | coolness. |
| [05:25:00] | Cardoe: | granular deps. |
| [05:25:00] | kormoc: | Well, in the (nearish) future, My myth backend will be on a headless box, so it would have been nice to not need any X, but hey, I'll take whatever I can get :) |
| [05:26:00] | kormoc: | So is modular dep ready for prime time? |
| [05:26:00] | kormoc: | *modular x |
| [05:27:00] | tanq: | so how do you guys run your boxes that are near your television |
| [05:27:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: we're heading there. |
| [05:27:00] | tanq: | do you keep X up ? |
| [05:27:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: soon as 7.0 is released |
| [05:27:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: right now it's RC3 |
| [05:27:00] | Cardoe: | tanq: yes |
| [05:28:00] | ** Krazylegz high fives Cardoe ** | |
| [05:28:00] | Krazylegz: | I will be seeking your assistance when I finally move my Mythbox to gentoo. :-) |
| [05:29:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, so for say someone like me, who doesn't mind beta software as long as the main functionality is there, would it be good for me to switch to and bug report, or is it too broken, in your opinion? |
| [05:29:00] | Cardoe: | Krazylegz: heh. alrighty |
| [05:29:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: I'm talking to you from modular X |
| [05:29:00] | Cardoe: | both my Myth boxes use it |
| [05:30:00] | Cardoe: | I'd say it's not broken |
| [05:30:00] | Cardoe: | only issue... no binary drivers yet |
| [05:30:00] | kormoc: | ooh... that's an issue with me. I really do love my nvidia drivers. |
| [05:31:00] | tanq: | now ivtv isnt' recognizing my card it keeps defaulting to the pvr 250 |
| [05:37:00] | Cardoe: | tanq: reboot |
| [05:37:00] | fallenangel: | Can anyone help me, my mythtv schedule is off 5 hours, I have tried, Auto, None, and my time zone. I also tried setting my system variable to local instead of UTC, no luck though. The time in the upper right hand corner is correct and also the time retured from hwclocl. any ideas? |
| [05:37:00] | tanq: | Cardoe: already did that |
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| [05:41:00] | poop: | With ALSA:default I get WriteAudio: buffer underrun and with /dev/adsp I guet prebuffering pause. |
| [05:41:00] | oblib: | What do I change to get the frontend to shutdown the computer on exit? |
| [05:41:00] | Krazylegz: | oblib: It's in the frontend setup. |
| [05:43:00] | oblib: | Krazylegz: I see something that might do it in general, but exit just kills X right now. I have System Exit key as Esc, and Confirm exit checked, with a Halt command in the box |
| [05:43:00] | oblib: | What am I missing |
| [05:45:00] | Cardoe: | oblib: /sbin/shutdown -h now |
| [05:46:00] | oblib: | The halt command I'm using is /etc/acpi/sleep.sh, but it doesn't run it |
| [05:47:00] | Cardoe: | does your user have the proper permissions? |
| [05:47:00] | oblib: | probably not, hmmm. . . |
| [05:47:00] | oblib: | that would esplain wouldn't it |
| [05:49:00] | Krazylegz: | Sorry, working on something else. |
| [05:49:00] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe has you covered, of course. |
| [05:49:00] | fallenangel: | poop: i fixed it, i had to dump the who database and download all new info |
| [05:49:00] | oblib: | Cardoe, it runs a script that requires root access — how can I sudo without a keyboard? |
| [05:54:00] | Krazylegz: | You can just change permissions on the shutdown script. |
| [05:54:00] | Krazylegz: | chmod 777 /sbin/shutdown |
| [05:54:00] | Krazylegz: | Er, might want chmod 111 /sbin/shutdown, or something like that. |
| [05:55:00] | laga: | chmod a+x? ;) but i'm not sure if that would work, since you would still be a normal user. you can use sudo without having the need for a password, though. |
| [05:55:00] | Cardoe: | or have your shutdown command be |
| [05:55:00] | Cardoe: | sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh |
| [05:56:00] | tanq: | hah |
| [05:56:00] | Cardoe: | and edit your /etc/sudoers |
| [05:56:00] | tanq: | it was skipping because of my nvidia module |
| [05:56:00] | Cardoe: | to allow that command to be run by your user? |
| [05:56:00] | tanq: | so i rolled back to a different one |
| [05:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Whew. Bedtime. |
| [05:56:00] | oblib: | But I would have to enter the password for sudo to work |
| [05:56:00] | tanq: | it works fine nwo |
| [05:56:00] | Cardoe: | Or set the sticky bit |
| [05:56:00] | Cardoe: | so it executes as root |
| [05:56:00] | Cardoe: | oblib: no you don't |
| [05:56:00] | Cardoe: | oblib: configure sudo correctly |
| [05:56:00] | oblib: | sticky bit? |
| [05:57:00] | tanq: | so here is my question.. when you reboot the box how do you maintain security and let it come back up all the way to myth at the same time |
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| [05:57:00] | oblib: | I still think it's not even trying to run the script. When I exit mythtv, it goes to the prompt (tty1) with all of the Xserver/Myth output, but no sign of trying to run the sleep script |
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| [05:59:00] | Cardoe: | %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /etc/acpi/sleep.sh, /sbin/shutdown |
| [05:59:00] | Cardoe: | oblib: because you don't have perms to run it. |
| [06:00:00] | tanq: | fyi. Unknown card: vendor/device: 4444/0016 |
| [06:00:00] | tanq: | gah |
| [06:00:00] | Cardoe: | oblib: what user does MythTV run as? |
| [06:00:00] | oblib: | mythtv |
| [06:00:00] | Cardoe: | su – mythtv |
| [06:00:00] | Cardoe: | then run /etc/acpi/sleep.sh |
| [06:00:00] | Cardoe: | what's it say? |
| [06:01:00] | oblib: | is %wheel the username? |
| [06:01:00] | tanq: | ok here is the fyi: NVIDIA-Linux-x86–1.0-8174-pkg1.run was making myth skip on 2.6.14 with the latest stable version of myth |
| [06:01:00] | tanq: | so I went back to NVIDIA-Linux-x86–1.0-7167-pkg1.run and it all works fine now. |
| [06:02:00] | tanq: | strange. i thought those built the same exact module |
| [06:02:00] | Cardoe: | oblib: group wheel |
| [06:02:00] | tanq: | but it appears they don't |
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| [06:03:00] | oblib: | still doesn't give me access to run the script. I put mythtv ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /etc/acpi/sleep.sh /sbin/shutdown in my /etc/sudoers file |
| [06:03:00] | oblib: | mythtv ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /etc/acpi/sleep.sh /sbin/shutdown |
| [06:03:00] | oblib: | easier to read like that |
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| [06:04:00] | djperegrine: | yo |
| [06:04:00] | djperegrine: | can someone explain how the new live tv works :O |
| [06:04:00] | djperegrine: | ? |
| [06:04:00] | djperegrine: | I'm just curious |
| [06:05:00] | Cardoe: | oblib: you forgot the comma |
| [06:05:00] | oblib: | Cardoe, you're a genius. Now is there a way to let me passwd into other commands? |
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| [06:09:00] | poop: | dj: Recording starts like any other time, but you play back simultaneously. |
| [06:09:00] | djperegrine: | but like |
| [06:09:00] | djperegrine: | lets say I got to watch live tv |
| [06:09:00] | djperegrine: | and I watch a show for 20 minutes |
| [06:10:00] | djperegrine: | I know see that show under recorded programs? |
| [06:10:00] | djperegrine: | *now |
| [06:10:00] | poop: | nope |
| [06:10:00] | djperegrine: | oh ok good |
| [06:10:00] | oblib: | nm Cardoe, thanks for the help |
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| [06:10:00] | poop: | There's a ringbuffer for livetv. |
| [06:11:00] | djperegrine: | in the new new ones? |
| [06:11:00] | djperegrine: | I thought they took it out |
| [06:11:00] | djperegrine: | in the newest SVN |
| [06:11:00] | poop: | dunno |
| [06:13:00] | djperegrine: | does the front end and backend work with 802.11g wifi? |
| [06:14:00] | kormoc: | they did in svn |
| [06:14:00] | kormoc: | and it /can/ if your videos fit within the bandwitdh |
| [06:14:00] | phoner: | is there a way to make livetv recordings delete automaticly after leaving livetv? |
| [06:14:00] | kormoc: | phoner, they should automatically |
| [06:15:00] | knowledgejunkie: | mythweb question: what could be causing mythweb to successfully sort some pages (Schedules/Recorded/Upcoming) but fail to sort others (canned searches/program searches)? I've followed the info in the mythweb readme and configured Apache |
| [06:15:00] | kormoc: | knowledgejunkie, bad query or code... what version of mythweb? |
| [06:15:00] | kormoc: | or just those are not setup to sort |
| [06:15:00] | phoner: | oh, sometimes mine don't |
| [06:17:00] | phoner: | I get major crash problems skipping forward or back |
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| [06:17:00] | kormoc: | odd |
| [06:19:00] | phoner: | the livetv shows don't show up in mythweb though |
| [06:19:00] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: running 0.18.1 rpms |
| [06:20:00] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: the sortby= is not being appended, so I get an empty result, and an error msg |
| [06:21:00] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: I've posted the details (and my setup info) to the mailing list |
| [06:21:00] | phoner: | oh wait, yea they do. just takes a while to show up |
| [06:22:00] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: Error msg is "Warning: please search for something" |
| [06:22:00] | kormoc: | knowledgejunkie, can you throw it in a ticket on svn.mythtv.org/trac? |
| [06:23:00] | kormoc: | with instructions on how to duplicate |
| [06:24:00] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: Ticket http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/362 is the same problem, but the solution was RTFM. |
| [06:24:00] | ** kormoc peers at ticket ** | |
| [06:24:00] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: trac seems to be down – database is locked |
| [06:25:00] | kormoc: | yeah, just noticed. |
| [06:25:00] | kormoc: | knewt, so what exactly are you doing to get it to fail? |
| [06:25:00] | kormoc: | erm, that was to knowledgejunkie |
| [06:27:00] | knowledgejunkie: | Simplest way – open mythweb, select 'Searches', select 'Movies' -> I get a big list of all movies in my programs table. If I then try to sort the results i.e. by channum, I get the error |
| [06:27:00] | knowledgejunkie: | Per the mythweb readme, this points to Apache and mythweb being setup incorrectly |
| [06:27:00] | knowledgejunkie: | I get the same behaviour if I do a program search and then try to sort the results. |
| [06:28:00] | kormoc: | yeah... it works for me perfectly fine |
| [06:28:00] | knowledgejunkie: | However, sorting the contents of the Recording Schedules, Schedules Recordings and Recorded Programs works fine |
| [06:29:00] | kormoc: | basically I think the issue will be something with your sessions |
| [06:29:00] | kormoc: | as it stores the current search into the session |
| [06:29:00] | knowledgejunkie: | I've checked the perms on the sessions dir and files are created each time I use mythweb |
| [06:31:00] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: In your apache config, are you using canonical names? |
| [06:31:00] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: I've set this to yes, and so haven't specified a server in mythweb's conf.php |
| [06:32:00] | kormoc: | what's the option for that? |
| [06:33:00] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: UseCanonicalName |
| [06:33:00] | kormoc: | I don't even have that in my httpd config, so I'd say that's a no |
| [06:33:00] | kormoc: | ooh, I do, I typoed the first time |
| [06:33:00] | kormoc: | I have it off |
| [06:34:00] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: trac's back up |
| [06:34:00] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: do you specify your server_domain in the mythweb conf.php file instead? |
| [06:34:00] | kormoc: | no, I do not. |
| [06:37:00] | kormoc: | it doesn't make a difference for me, but then my server names are correct and dns resolvable |
| [06:38:00] | knowledgejunkie: | my boxes are resolvable via /etc/hosts (until I setup a local DNS), but everything else works normally |
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| [06:39:00] | simcop2397: | hrm i can't get my hauppauge pvr250 remote working |
| [06:39:00] | kormoc: | knowledgejunkie, can you turn off that option and see if it works? |
| [06:39:00] | knowledgejunkie: | In my Apache config, I have 'ServerName pvr:80' which matches the box's hostname |
| [06:40:00] | knowledgejunkie: | I had it setup without that option, and tried to specify the hostname in mythweb config, but same problem |
| [06:40:00] | kormoc: | check to make sure your cookies are set to domain pvr? |
| [06:40:00] | knowledgejunkie: | cookies may be the answer – what's the setting(s)? |
| [06:41:00] | kormoc: | depends on your web browser |
| [06:42:00] | tanq: | maybe i can finally move this to the living room |
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| [06:43:00] | knowledgejunkie: | firefox – set to allow cookies from pvr |
| [06:43:00] | knowledgejunkie: | same prob with IE |
| [06:43:00] | kormoc: | yeah, but make sure the cookie is set |
| [06:43:00] | knowledgejunkie: | what do I check for that i.e. is it server-side? |
| [06:44:00] | kormoc: | no, it's the browser |
| [06:44:00] | kormoc: | I don't know firefox... |
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| [06:47:00] | knowledgejunkie: | it would appear that cookies are not being saved by FF for mythweb |
| [06:47:00] | djperegrine: | how can I see my signal strength , and more importantly my connection speed ? |
| [06:47:00] | djperegrine: | iwconfig right? |
| [06:48:00] | kormoc: | djperegrine, connection speed is meaningless overall, you're just gonna need to send a file and see throughput |
| [06:48:00] | djperegrine: | ok |
| [06:48:00] | kormoc: | knowledgejunkie, that's the issue then |
| [06:48:00] | knowledgejunkie: | however, it does save cookies set by phpMyAdmin which I use to admin the mythconverg DB from the same box |
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| [06:49:00] | knowledgejunkie: | how do I make sure mythweb is trying to send a cookie? |
| [06:49:00] | djperegrine: | I just have a mac mini sitting around wondering what to do with it |
| [06:49:00] | kormoc: | ooh, it is... there's just a setting somewhere causing firefox to reject it |
| [06:50:00] | kormoc: | djperegrine, there's always the option to send it over to me! :P |
| [06:50:00] | djperegrine: | :P |
| [06:50:00] | djperegrine: | well |
| [06:50:00] | knowledgejunkie: | i've got a full allow on the server – as I said phpMyAdmin cookies are set with no problems |
| [06:50:00] | djperegrine: | my PC is really loud |
| [06:50:00] | djperegrine: | I was hoping that I could somehow put that PC in some closet or something and have hte mac mini be the frontend |
| [06:50:00] | kormoc: | I can send some quiet fans in excange :P |
| [06:50:00] | djperegrine: | but I don't see how I can do that , my house isn't wired |
| [06:52:00] | kormoc: | 54G is a max of 6.75 megs per second, after overhead and what not, it could likely manage 3 or 4 depending on security settings and signal quality |
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| [06:54:00] | knowledgejunkie: | I've just tried running phpMyAdmin through IE – cookies are set correctly also |
| [06:54:00] | knowledgejunkie: | problem seems to be mythweb setting cookies |
| [06:55:00] | kormoc: | well, if you want to come back tomorrow and talk with xris, you could, but he'll likely tell you the same thing I am. |
| [06:55:00] | knowledgejunkie: | what are xris hours on the channel (GMT)? |
| [06:55:00] | kormoc: | uhh... |
| [06:56:00] | knowledgejunkie: | or PST/EST! |
| [06:56:00] | kormoc: | 9 am to 5 pm PST |
| [06:56:00] | knowledgejunkie: | OK, so 5pm – 1am GMT |
| [06:57:00] | knowledgejunkie: | thanks so much for going through those checks – seem to have narrowed it down to cookie setting for mythweb at least |
| [06:57:00] | kormoc: | yeah. |
| [06:57:00] | kormoc: | no problems. |
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| [06:58:00] | knowledgejunkie: | maybe someone will post an answer to my mailing list question |
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| [07:20:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | is there a i2c sensors plugin for myth? |
| [07:22:00] | kormoc: | don't beleive so |
| [07:22:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | that would be pretty rockin |
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| [07:28:00] | bsm117531: | My mythtv is recording with brightness/contrast settings that are stupid. |
| [07:28:00] | bsm117531: | How can I copy the settings from one channel to all of them? |
| [07:28:00] | bsm117531: | There should be a mysql command that would do it...but I can't seem to find it on the myth website. |
| [07:28:00] | kormoc: | you'll need to do some looking at the databse... |
| [07:29:00] | bsm117531: | kormoc: yes. how? |
| [07:30:00] | kormoc: | maybe UPDATE channel SET contrast = blah, brightness = bleh, colour = blih, hue = bloh; ? |
| [07:30:00] | bsm117531: | but how do I get it to apply to all channels? |
| [07:31:00] | kormoc: | run that query |
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| [07:32:00] | kormoc: | with the correct numbers of course. |
| [07:32:00] | bsm117531: | yeah |
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| [07:33:00] | bsm117531: | kormoc: woah that worked right off. |
| [07:33:00] | ** bsm117531 bows before the mysql gods ** | |
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| [07:35:00] | kormoc: | heh |
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| [07:50:00] | tanq: | does anyone in here have a samsung dlp? |
| [07:50:00] | tanq: | i'm probably going to connect via svideo and i'm not sure what the resolution and refresh reate need to be at |
| [07:51:00] | tanq: | i've been googling for the specs for a while |
| [07:55:00] | danieldk: | I would connect it via the vga port if i were you.. but im not so.... |
| [07:55:00] | danieldk: | svhs really sux in comparison |
| [07:56:00] | tanq: | svhs? |
| [07:56:00] | ** tanq yawns ** | |
| [07:56:00] | danieldk: | sorry svideo |
| [07:58:00] | tanq: | really |
| [07:58:00] | tanq: | i always though svideo was supposed to be pretty good |
| [07:59:00] | danieldk: | it's better than composit |
| [07:59:00] | danieldk: | but vga is really the best... |
| [07:59:00] | tanq: | should be better than vga too |
| [08:00:00] | danieldk: | hell no :-) |
| [08:00:00] | tanq: | and HDMI should be the best afaik |
| [08:00:00] | kcid_: | yeah i was going to i have a samsung with a 15 pin d-sub connector on it |
| [08:00:00] | kcid_: | i used that |
| [08:02:00] | danieldk: | well hdmi is the same as dvi |
| [08:02:00] | kcid_: | yup + 8.1 digital audio |
| [08:03:00] | kcid_: | which you can't find any hardware encoders for |
| [08:03:00] | danieldk: | wich is equally as good or better than 15 pin d-sub (vga connector) |
| [08:04:00] | Pix: | YPbPr ? |
| [08:04:00] | tanq: | HDMI isn't the same as DVI if you want to be technical about it |
| [08:04:00] | tanq: | YPbPr is component i think |
| [08:04:00] | NightBird: | good night |
| [08:04:00] | Pix: | HDMI, like DVI, is just a connector |
| [08:04:00] | Pix: | component is the important thing |
| [08:05:00] | kcid_: | d-sub and dvi pass sync rates where composite doesn't |
| [08:05:00] | kcid_: | err component |
| [08:05:00] | tanq: | uh... hdmi and dvi have different pinouts |
| [08:05:00] | tanq: | which carry different data |
| [08:05:00] | kcid_: | yeah you can get a adapter cable |
| [08:05:00] | kcid_: | negative |
| [08:05:00] | kcid_: | same data |
| [08:06:00] | tanq: | hdmi carries audio |
| [08:06:00] | Pix: | hdmi is (more or less) dvi-d + data channels for drm |
| [08:06:00] | tanq: | dvi doesnt |
| [08:06:00] | kcid_: | so you don't punch down the audio side to the dvi connector |
| [08:06:00] | kcid_: | and you instead insert them into the hardware encoder i was bitching about earlier |
| [08:07:00] | danieldk: | i'm learning here :-) |
| [08:09:00] | tanq: | hrmm.. |
| [08:09:00] | tanq: | xbox 360 has a vga hdav cable |
| [08:10:00] | tanq: | so where is a good place to get a vga cable.. |
| [08:10:00] | tanq: | wait i bet Monster makes $75 vga cables |
| [08:10:00] | tanq: | heh |
| [08:10:00] | kcid_: | 15pin d-sub? |
| [08:12:00] | kcid_: | yea, vga i just have always had some laying around |
| [08:12:00] | kcid_: | no old monitor you can steal from? |
| [08:12:00] | tanq: | no.. my monitors are hardwired |
| [08:13:00] | tanq: | i would like vga(femail)-->dvi(female) crossover |
| [08:13:00] | tanq: | s/femail/female |
| [08:13:00] | tanq: | heh |
| [08:13:00] | tanq: | without having to get that dvi adapter |
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| [08:14:00] | kcid_: | the samsung has a hd15 connector on it, right? so your video card only has a free dvi connector? |
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| [08:16:00] | tanq: | actually the pc in is vga i think |
| [08:16:00] | tanq: | i'm tired.. |
| [08:16:00] | tanq: | yeah my card has dvi on it.. |
| [08:16:00] | kcid_: | ditto |
| [08:16:00] | tanq: | but i'm tired so i can't think well right now |
| [08:16:00] | ** tanq goes to sleep ** | |
| [08:19:00] | kcid_: | http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI-hdmi_cables.html |
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| [08:35:00] | tanq: | omg monster sells a dvi to hdmi adapter for $33 |
| [08:35:00] | tanq: | you can get dvi to hdmi cable for the same price |
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| [08:36:00] | tanq: | ok i really need to sleep now |
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| [08:39:00] | rage_: | I've got some sort of odd problem here... myth working fine one minute — nothing changed setting wise or anything... reboot the pc, and all of a sudden it doesn't work |
| [08:40:00] | rage_: | RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read(). <-- scrolls my screen 6 lines at a time |
| [08:40:00] | rage_: | Couldn't read file: rbuf://192.168.0.1:6543/media/myth//ringbuf1.nuv <-- then this comes after |
| [08:40:00] | rage_: | ringbuf1.nuv isn't getting created |
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| [09:09:00] | riksta: | hey i don't know if any of you have experienced this problem (latest nvidia kernel module crashing when using MythTv)......im sure its a bug in the kernel module...but you might want to take a look anyway http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2960065.html#2960065 |
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| [09:47:00] | danieldk: | Any of you guys running a diskless epia frontend? |
| [09:47:00] | ivor: | epia, yep, diskless, nope. |
| [09:48:00] | danieldk: | well – i guess i'll be a small matter of turning it into a rootfs system... |
| [09:48:00] | danieldk: | sry netrootfd |
| [09:49:00] | juski: | danieldk: I run a diskless epia frontend with minimyth |
| [09:49:00] | juski: | www.linpvr.org ;) |
| [09:49:00] | juski: | works very nicely |
| [09:49:00] | juski: | there's no point using anything else for EPIA |
| [09:49:00] | danieldk: | juski: me too but – i want to make my own |
| [09:50:00] | danieldk: | btw minimyth ver. 18.1.9 is out :-) |
| [09:50:00] | juski: | why? what's minimyth missing? |
| [09:50:00] | danieldk: | dvb support in ver 18.1 mythtv is well sparse |
| [09:50:00] | juski: | I know 18.1.9 is out, but 18.1.2 works fine for me. |
| [09:50:00] | danieldk: | okay |
| [09:50:00] | juski: | no it's not. works brilliantly for me, DVB-T |
| [09:51:00] | juski: | I've got over 160GB of recordings to prove it :) |
| [09:52:00] | danieldk: | mine locks up with a black screen about 50% of the time when changeing channels |
| [09:52:00] | juski: | you know with all this talk of stuff not being supported properly in linux DVB code – it makes me wonder how close to the actual DVB standard the code is, or how far away the broadcasters are from the standard |
| [09:52:00] | juski: | ahh I never use livetv and probably never will :P |
| [09:52:00] | danieldk: | :-D |
| [09:53:00] | Pix: | dvb is very, very painful to debug |
| [09:53:00] | Pix: | i work for a STB dvb maker |
| [09:53:00] | Pix: | with compliant hardware ships, etc |
| [09:53:00] | Pix: | and we still have problems :) |
| [09:54:00] | juski: | oh yeah I'm fully aware of that. my parents had a 1st generation DVB-T STB.. oh my god it was poor |
| [09:54:00] | Pix: | :) |
| [09:54:00] | juski: | and those standalone DVB-T PVR machines.. be nice if they worked all the time ;) I know a few people who own them – nothing but trouble |
| [09:55:00] | danieldk: | i'm one of them – - what a bunch of crap |
| [09:56:00] | juski: | what's the deal with dynamic PIDs anyway? why the need to change stuff on the fly ffs? |
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| [09:56:00] | juski: | and it's not even as if they do anything spanky like PDC on DVB-T yet |
| [09:56:00] | Pix: | dynamic pids ? |
| [09:56:00] | Pix: | for audio, video, ecm ? |
| [09:56:00] | juski: | yeh Pix: some channels in the UK change PIDs of a stream mid-show |
| [09:57:00] | Pix: | howdy |
| [09:57:00] | Pix: | :) |
| [09:57:00] | Pix: | well, if pmt entry is changed aswell |
| [09:57:00] | Pix: | you shouldn't notice it |
| [09:57:00] | juski: | even the BBC is bad for not labelling their audio streams properly |
| [09:57:00] | rage_: | hrm, I've got 2 dvb cards in my pc... both were working fine until I rebooted — now only one works... in my /dev/dvb/adapterX/ folder, the card that doesn't work is missing frontend0, while the other adapter has a frontend0 device in there and works |
| [09:58:00] | juski: | the thing is, Pix, WHY change it in the 1st place? |
| [09:58:00] | Pix: | juski, absolutely no reason |
| [09:58:00] | Pix: | :] |
| [09:58:00] | juski: | they're goons! |
| [09:59:00] | Pix: | french dvb-t follows the norm, haven't seen this issue here |
| [09:59:00] | juski: | rage_: looks to me like your driver is goosed somehow.. or you've forgotten to load a module – unless both cards are the same type.. in which case erm... oh dear |
| [09:59:00] | Pix: | and i'm not talkin about satellite, never saw it on sat either |
| [10:00:00] | rage_: | cards are identical |
| [10:00:00] | juski: | rage_: does dmesg give you any clues? |
| [10:02:00] | danieldk: | juski: since you are running 18.1 and dvb – do you have any subtitles- bacause i don't.. |
| [10:02:00] | juski: | danieldk: no subs in 0.18.1 |
| [10:03:00] | juski: | it's in SVN though and seems to work well – though livetv is pretty much broken for me still (on my test machine) |
| [10:03:00] | juski: | I've only got SVN on that box so I can develop a theme |
| [10:04:00] | danieldk: | yeah – i googled it and found a patch for pre r72xx but couldn't figure out what revision 18.1 was :-) |
| [10:05:00] | rage_: | lemme look juski |
| [10:05:00] | rage_: | sec |
| [10:05:00] | juski: | danieldk: have you tried using GAR yet? I've got all the stuff but I've not got a clue how to go on with it |
| [10:07:00] | juski: | rage_: it's possible that though the cards are the 'same type' they use slightly different hardware – in which case you might still be missing a module ;) |
| [10:07:00] | danieldk: | juski: nope thats the same problem i have.. and linpvr doesn't have a guid to get one started |
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| [10:08:00] | rage_: | juski, both were working befroe I rebooted |
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| [10:10:00] | juski: | rage_: then why did you reboot? ;) |
| [10:11:00] | danieldk: | but if i'm to make my own installation for epia from scratch – then i might just ditch minimyth alltogheter |
| [10:11:00] | juski: | rage_: when you say they were both working before you rebooted.. were they working before the reboot before that one? I mean have you just had the one reboot since you got them working? |
| [10:12:00] | juski: | danieldk: I think GAR minimyth would be a good starting point though, since everything you need is there |
| [10:12:00] | rage_: | juski, I rebooted my whole pc |
| [10:12:00] | rage_: | my svid cable came unplugged from my vid card |
| [10:13:00] | rage_: | and something was putting interference on my tv... so I thought I'd give that a try (rebooting) to remove the interference |
| [10:13:00] | rage_: | then my first dvb card stopped working, and no frontend0 in adapter0 folder |
| [10:13:00] | juski: | rage_: maybe you have a hardware problem – I mean if the cards have been working for a while |
| [10:13:00] | rage_: | dvb-bt8xx: A frontend driver was not found for device 109e/0878 subsystem 0000/0 |
| [10:13:00] | rage_: | 000 |
| [10:13:00] | rage_: | that's in my dmesg |
| [10:14:00] | juski: | what cards are these? nova-t? |
| [10:14:00] | rage_: | and both cards worked with the same drivers |
| [10:14:00] | rage_: | no... um... |
| [10:14:00] | rage_: | twinhan |
| [10:14:00] | juski: | right |
| [10:14:00] | juski: | if they're both identical, if one works, both should work |
| [10:15:00] | juski: | unless one of them is broken, or your motherboard is broken / something else on the PCI bus is broken |
| [10:15:00] | juski: | rage_: what does lspci report? |
| [10:16:00] | danieldk: | juski: yeah but that means HELL for me if I can't use apt to get the deps and otherstuff i might need |
| [10:16:00] | juski: | both DVB card IDs should be the same if they're the same model. If they're not, then you can summise the 1st card is broken |
| [10:16:00] | danieldk: | juski: i like Debian :-) |
| [10:17:00] | juski: | danieldk: there's just no helping some peope ;) |
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| [10:17:00] | danieldk: | HEHE :-) |
| [10:18:00] | juski: | for a diskless install, don't you want it to be as small as possible? what's minimyth based around anyway? |
| [10:18:00] | juski: | I used to run a diskless Gentoo frontend. that was unwieldy |
| [10:19:00] | danieldk: | juski: only if you need your root fs to reside in memory... fmpov it could just aswell be a nfs mount.. |
| [10:19:00] | rage_: | 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| [10:19:00] | rage_: | 0000:00:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| [10:19:00] | rage_: | 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| [10:19:00] | rage_: | 0000:00:0b.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| [10:20:00] | juski: | rage_: unload dvb-bt8xx and reload it |
| [10:22:00] | juski: | and what about this 'interference'? where the heck is that coming from? PSU? fan going on the fritz? I think that could well be the root of the problem and the single DVB tuner not working is incidental |
| [10:23:00] | danieldk: | actually i had i all up and running using debian but i couldn't get the unichrome driver to work – then i discovered minimyth.. :-) |
| [10:23:00] | juski: | rage_: you should also try swapping the cards over too – if the fault follows the card then the card is screwed. if the fault stays with the PCI slot, it's not the card :) |
| [10:24:00] | juski: | danieldk: unichrome can be a proper PITA.. but there are loads of howto guides now – and binary drivers you can use |
| [10:27:00] | rage_: | no idea what's causing the interference |
| [10:27:00] | rage_: | I acn't figure it down |
| [10:27:00] | rage_: | er |
| [10:27:00] | rage_: | figure it out |
| [10:27:00] | rage_: | and I don't know why a card would go bad after a reboot |
| [10:27:00] | rage_: | or a PCI slot |
| [10:27:00] | rage_: | :/ |
| [10:27:00] | juski: | rage_: and that interference thing.. if it came on all of a sudden I think it's likely to be either an overheating issue or PSU issue. If it turns out that other DVB card is broken, then maybe the PSU has broken it |
| [10:27:00] | juski: | rage_: swap the DVB tuner cards over.. where one card is now, plug the other in, and vice-versa |
| [10:29:00] | juski: | then boot up & see which card works... if the previously non-working card is okay this time, then you probably have a duff motherboard |
| [10:30:00] | juski: | btw these things can happen. I once had to repair a PC where the motherboard CPU voltage regulator went faulty. Kill the motherboard & most of the PCI cards |
| [10:31:00] | juski: | *killed most of the PCI cards |
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| [10:33:00] | rage_: | well juski |
| [10:33:00] | rage_: | here's the thing |
| [10:33:00] | danieldk: | ohhh heres something to get one started on GAR http://linpvr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=290 |
| [10:33:00] | rage_: | I was out of town for like 5 days |
| [10:33:00] | rage_: | I come home, there's interference on the TV |
| [10:33:00] | rage_: | but both cards work fine |
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| [10:34:00] | rage_: | I tried rebooting to rid of the interference, then the first card stopped working |
| [10:34:00] | juski: | rage_: you're avoiding the issue IMHO. both cards are identical, so use the _same driver_. the driver is working for one but not the other... hmmmm |
| [10:34:00] | juski: | swap the cards over & see which one works |
| [10:35:00] | rage_: | I'm not avoiding the issue... I"m trying to understand |
| [10:35:00] | rage_: | I don't see why a reboot of the pc... a warm reboot at that... I don't see why it would cause a card to not work |
| [10:35:00] | rage_: | just doesn't seem logical to me |
| [10:35:00] | juski: | rage_: electronics can be weird like that |
| [10:36:00] | juski: | one minute they work – and hey the next there's smoke coming out of the box.. wooo |
| [10:37:00] | danieldk: | yes "once you release the mysterious blue smoke electronics doesn't work anymore" |
| [10:37:00] | juski: | rage_: have you tried a power-down reboot? it might just be that the PCI card got its knickers in a twist |
| [10:38:00] | rage_: | yeah, I shut down, unplugged, and let sit for ~5 min |
| [10:38:00] | rage_: | came back and the same thing |
| [10:38:00] | juski: | right |
| [10:38:00] | juski: | then some of your hardware is broken. no doubt about that |
| [10:38:00] | rage_: | you're not saying nice things :( |
| [10:39:00] | juski: | what the hell do you want me to say? go to bed & leave some money under your pillow and the nice mythtv fairies will make it all work again?! |
| [10:39:00] | rage_: | yes. |
| [10:39:00] | juski: | lol |
| [10:39:00] | rage_: | :P |
| [10:40:00] | juski: | look, rage_ :) nobody enjoys having broken stuff, especially at this time of the year |
| [10:41:00] | rage_: | I know I know |
| [10:41:00] | rage_: | I'm not mad at you or anything |
| [10:42:00] | rage_: | I'm just giving you hell |
| [10:42:00] | juski: | I'd definitely not use the same PSU again if I were you. And if you have a spare motherboard to try, do that too |
| [10:42:00] | rage_: | gotta keep the mood light before I put my fist through my monitor and discover I need a new one of them too |
| [10:42:00] | juski: | and if the PSU does turn out to be bad, budget for a whole new system :( |
| [10:43:00] | rage_: | a whole new system if the PSU goes bad? |
| [10:43:00] | rage_: | ... that seems a bit ......... drastic. |
| [10:43:00] | juski: | depends... sometimes the case |
| [10:43:00] | juski: | if one of the voltage rails goes.. er.. off the rails then yes |
| [10:43:00] | rage_: | and that PC is a good 5 feet from my TV |
| [10:44:00] | rage_: | I don't really think it's causing the interference |
| [10:44:00] | juski: | rage_: is this interefence just on the TV output of your PC, or is the everything on the TV getting it? |
| [10:44:00] | rage_: | (sorry for spam) |
| [10:44:00] | rage_: | DVB: registering new adapter (bttv0). |
| [10:44:00] | rage_: | write_dst: _write_dst error (err == -5, len == 0x08, b0 == 0x00) |
| [10:44:00] | rage_: | dst_error_recovery: Trying to return from previous errors... |
| [10:44:00] | rage_: | write_dst: _write_dst error (err == -5, len == 0x08, b0 == 0x00) |
| [10:44:00] | rage_: | dst_error_recovery: Trying to return from previous errors... |
| [10:44:00] | rage_: | dst_error_bailout: Trying to bailout from previous error... |
| [10:44:00] | rage_: | dst_probe: unknown device. |
| [10:44:00] | rage_: | frontend_init: Could not find a Twinhan DST. |
| [10:44:00] | rage_: | dvb-bt8xx: A frontend driver was not found for device 109e/0878 subsystem 0000/0000 |
| [10:45:00] | rage_: | juski, just the TV output |
| [10:45:00] | juski: | rage_: pastebin, or you'll get kicked for flooding |
| [10:45:00] | juski: | rage_: you _have_ to find out which bit of hardware is broken. do the simple PCI card shuffle first |
| [10:46:00] | rage_: | I'm also wondering if its an IRQ problem |
| [10:46:00] | juski: | how could it be an IRQ problem? nothing has changed apart from you rebooting |
| [10:47:00] | rage_: | *shrug* I've seen strange things happen before... |
| [10:47:00] | juski: | look, just swap the damn cards over & see which one works. then try different PCI slots if you _must_ |
| [10:47:00] | rage_: | hell, I know a guy who had this card in his pc... and if he shuts down his pc and doesn't wait a good minute, the card doesn't work correctly |
| [10:47:00] | rage_: | he then has to shut down, unplug, wait a minute, and start back up to get it to work again. |
| [10:48:00] | rage_: | I would have done that by now, but I'm busy on this pc right now... |
| [10:48:00] | rage_: | so in the mean time I'm trying to brainstorm what else it could be... ok? :/ |
| [10:49:00] | juski: | there's basically nothing else it can realistically be |
| [10:49:00] | juski: | both cards are IDENTICAL, so if both cards are in good working order, when the driver loads they should _both_ work |
| [10:50:00] | rage_: | yeah, well like the situation I mentioned above... you'd think it to be hardware failure unless you unplugged the pc and waited it out like we discovered we needed to. |
| [10:52:00] | juski: | that sounds more like a heat-related problem... |
| [10:53:00] | rage_: | had nothing to do with heat though heh |
| [10:53:00] | rage_: | simply how the motherboard powered down basically |
| [10:53:00] | rage_: | it didn't power down in a way that the card liked unless you let it sit for a while before powering on again |
| [10:54:00] | ** wole doffs cap in a good morning type way ** | |
| [10:55:00] | juski: | right. this has nothing to do with the twinhan card failure though. it'll turn out that you have a faulty card/motherboard/PSU (maybe all the above) – of that am in no doubt |
| [10:55:00] | rage_: | heh |
| [10:56:00] | juski: | used to work – now doesn't work... identical card sitting next to it which works – kinda rules out a software issue. my case is rested |
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| [10:57:00] | rage_: | well if a warm reboot can kill a fully functioning card, then I'll be damned. |
| [10:58:00] | wole: | er, identical likethe 3 identical types of conexant hauppauge dvb cards? |
| [10:58:00] | wole: | that aren't identical? |
| [10:59:00] | juski: | wole: they were working before a reboot |
| [11:00:00] | wole: | power surge? |
| [11:00:00] | juski: | and who's to say that whatever the card does to initialise itself after a reset is even possible if something broke it.. hence the working before reset.. then not working |
| [11:00:00] | rage_: | they're soft cards |
| [11:00:00] | wole: | try swapping them around |
| [11:00:00] | rage_: | so I don't think they *do* a lot on their own |
| [11:01:00] | rage_: | dvb-bt8xx: A frontend driver was not found for device 109e/0878 subsystem 0000/0000 |
| [11:01:00] | rage_: | the card is at least somewhat responsive |
| [11:01:00] | rage_: | it inits |
| [11:01:00] | rage_: | just not .. correctly.. or something. |
| [11:01:00] | juski: | rage_: for fucks sake just stop pontificating and try debugging it |
| [11:02:00] | wole: | lol |
| [11:02:00] | juski: | it's a hardware problem. live with it |
| [11:03:00] | juski: | look. I've got this unit here. It's a CCTV DVR, right. It has software in a flash memory, right? look it's working, and will still work even if I wipe the flash disk.. but when I reboot it.. oh shit |
| [11:03:00] | rage_: | I told you juski |
| [11:03:00] | rage_: | I'm _busy_ with this computer right now |
| [11:03:00] | rage_: | and I can't reboot |
| [11:04:00] | juski: | what I'm saying is, it's totally conceivable that rebooting didn't precipitate the failure – it has just highlighted it |
| [11:04:00] | wole: | but without the tools to write to the flash, it's as good as burnt out. |
| [11:05:00] | rage_: | bleh... fk it, the other stuff can wait. |
| [11:05:00] | rage_: | brb. |
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| [11:11:00] | danieldk: | juski: okay attempting a gar-minimyth build now – since i'm at work and have nothing better to do :-) |
| [11:16:00] | juski: | danieldk: cool |
| [11:16:00] | juski: | I might fire up bash.org again today & pass some email around |
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| [11:19:00] | danieldk: | juski: arg – this'll take som time it needs to get/compile 5.5gb |
| [11:19:00] | juski: | I might also boil my own head.. that seems like fun compared to doing other stuff |
| [11:20:00] | juski: | danieldk: 5.5gb? is that just the source? |
| [11:20:00] | danieldk: | on a dual 800 dell server (my backend)... well zzZZZZ |
| [11:20:00] | juski: | flash i:\boot.bin |
| [11:20:00] | juski: | oops |
| [11:21:00] | danieldk: | juski: from the README "The build system assumes that you have at least 5.5 GBs of free disk space." |
| [11:21:00] | juski: | ah |
| [11:21:00] | danieldk: | juski: flashing dvr's are we |
| [11:21:00] | juski: | so what's GAR anyway? just a building system? |
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| [11:22:00] | rage-: | . |
| [11:22:00] | juski: | danieldk: testing a new DOF module |
| [11:22:00] | juski: | wb, rage- |
| [11:22:00] | rage-: | ty |
| [11:22:00] | danieldk: | yeah – looks like it... (1) build the native evironment, |
| [11:22:00] | danieldk: | (2) build the cross evironment and |
| [11:22:00] | danieldk: | (3) build MiniMyth. |
| [11:23:00] | danieldk: | omg from the README "For me, on a 2.4GHz Pentium 4, it takes approximately 5 hours" |
| [11:23:00] | rage-: | swapped cards, rebooted... both cards working. |
| [11:23:00] | rage-: | apology accepted. |
| [11:24:00] | danieldk: | rage: so you think thats a stable system or what? |
| [11:24:00] | rage-: | haven't had a problem with it yet. |
| [11:24:00] | juski: | weird, but I'm happy for you :) and er.. yes I got a bit heated.. so erm... sorry |
| [11:26:00] | juski: | I'd still be worried about it. reseating cards curing a failure doesn't sound like an ideal situation to be in |
| [11:26:00] | rage-: | I don't think the reseat fixed anything |
| [11:26:00] | rage-: | I think it was just a quirk to tell you the truth |
| [11:26:00] | juski: | unless, as you say, the card just got its knickers in a twist & needed to stay powered down.. but that's just stupid |
| [11:27:00] | rage-: | well... the guy that I know that had the odd problems with the same model card... |
| [11:27:00] | rage-: | we troubleshooted for probably 2–3 hours |
| [11:27:00] | juski: | and a damn good excuse not to buy twinhan shite |
| [11:27:00] | rage-: | to figure out why it didn't work right... what caused it to not work right.. and how to remedy it |
| [11:27:00] | rage-: | also trying it in another pc and having the problem not occur |
| [11:28:00] | danieldk: | it needs to get 1,6 gb – oh well atleast it's a fast server aprox 8Mb/s sustained |
| [11:28:00] | juski: | what I've started to notice about manufacturers of hardware is that they interpret 'specs' as 'guidelines' |
| [11:28:00] | rage-: | in his case, it was the motherboard not powering down in a way the card liked |
| [11:28:00] | rage-: | not a bad card |
| [11:28:00] | juski: | rage: out of interest what motherboard do you use? |
| [11:29:00] | rage-: | this machine has a gigabyte ga-7vaxp |
| [11:29:00] | juski: | I used one of them without any problems |
| [11:29:00] | juski: | still do use it infact |
| [11:29:00] | rage-: | unfortunately, this is my third one |
| [11:30:00] | juski: | ouch |
| [11:30:00] | rage-: | first one: couple caps blew, they sent me a refurb... that had a buttload of weird problems,,, started to wonder if I had bad hardware elsewhere... tested for days, decided it to be the mobo... sent it back, got another refurb... that one worked. |
| [11:31:00] | juski: | ugh |
| [11:31:00] | rage-: | yeah |
| [11:31:00] | rage-: | that process took like 3 months. |
| [11:31:00] | rage-: | I will _NOT_ buy gigabyte again heh |
| [11:32:00] | juski: | actually thinking about it, I can see how different power down states can be brought about. when I do a powerdown I tend not to use the power switch.. I just pull the mains plug |
| [11:32:00] | juski: | that makes only 2 states.. on & off :) |
| [11:32:00] | rage-: | aye |
| [11:32:00] | juski: | rage-: you can get unlucky with any hardware tho |
| [11:32:00] | rage-: | some mobos leave power to certain things |
| [11:32:00] | rage-: | some dont |
| [11:33:00] | juski: | maybe in the case you've just experienced, some PCI control registers were screwy |
| [11:33:00] | rage-: | for instance, my USB remote sensor that came with my twinhan... while powered down, that stays lit while plugged in to some pc's I've tried it in... others it doesn't stay lit |
| [11:33:00] | juski: | I have a tendency to assume everything _should_ be okay cos everybody follows the specs, right? |
| [11:34:00] | rage-: | juski, it's not so much the fact that my board went bad... it was the terrible customer service |
| [11:34:00] | juski: | ahh right |
| [11:34:00] | rage-: | 3 months down time... |
| [11:34:00] | rage-: | I mean a bad mobo, yeah shit happens |
| [11:34:00] | rage-: | can't blame the company |
| [11:34:00] | rage-: | they send me a refurb.... ok, well swallow hard and try it... refurb goes bad...... |
| [11:34:00] | juski: | true |
| [11:34:00] | rage-: | I'd expect a new board at that point |
| [11:34:00] | rage-: | but no, they send another refurb |
| [11:35:00] | rage-: | at the time I was working on some things for a client |
| [11:35:00] | rage-: | and had to do those things on a much slower pc |
| [11:35:00] | rage-: | so that really slowed down my productivity as well |
| [11:36:00] | juski: | hardware manufacturers though – it's hard to find em that aren't sharks |
| [11:36:00] | juski: | and lying bastards. look at ATI & their 'all in wonder' cards |
| [11:36:00] | juski: | anyway.. g2g for a while |
| [11:36:00] | rage-: | hrm? |
| [11:37:00] | rage-: | well wth... myth is acting ... odd. |
| [11:37:00] | rage-: | maybe my problems are not solved |
| [11:37:00] | ** rage- horrays. ** | |
| [11:37:00] | juski: | rage-: they make unsubstantiated claims.. like 'it'll do x y & z'.. then never release software that actually _does_ it |
| [11:39:00] | rage-: | ic |
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| [11:42:00] | rage-: | meh, both cards are tuning to some channels... but not all that they should. |
| [11:43:00] | sphing: | juski: do you sleep? |
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| [11:46:00] | juski: | sphing: not while I'm at work (usually) |
| [11:47:00] | rage-: | heh |
| [11:47:00] | rage-: | this is just retarded |
| [11:47:00] | rage-: | one more trick up my sleeve... if not, computer = thrown out window. |
| [11:47:00] | rage-: | thx for trying to help me out juski |
| [11:48:00] | rage-: | g'night |
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| [11:48:00] | juski: | rage-: after what you said of your motherboard problems I wouldn't rule out the possibility it's forked again |
| [11:50:00] | juski: | oh dammit.. this new DoF module formatted okay but now I can't read anything from it.. bah |
| [11:55:00] | danieldk: | This Gar thing i fubar |
| [11:59:00] | juski: | ouch |
| [12:01:00] | juski: | I'm gonna have to get the IDE bus analyser on this flash module. just what I need |
| [12:01:00] | danieldk: | sounds like some advanced chit |
| [12:03:00] | juski: | well our software follows the t13.org specs, but different manufacturers interpret the rules differently |
| [12:04:00] | juski: | in truth, t13.org's 'specs' are guidelines more than anything else.. which is why we end up having to rejig our software when we use a different DVD writer or something |
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| [12:06:00] | juski: | recently found a nasty bug in a well known HDD manufacturer's firmware.. and our kit isn't the only thing affected. users would find out if they used PIO mode too (lol) |
| [12:07:00] | sphing: | jusi what do you do? |
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| [12:11:00] | danieldk: | ls |
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| [12:20:00] | juski: | sphing: I work for a CCTV DVR manufacturer. my role is mostly technical stuff.. like testing things & making prototypes |
| [12:20:00] | sphing: | ahh cool |
| [12:21:00] | juski: | and recently.. finding out why a certain make of HDDs were going offline for no apparent reason ;) |
| [12:21:00] | danieldk: | :) |
| [12:28:00] | juski: | my top tip for the day: don't read bash.org quotes while eating |
| [12:28:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [12:30:00] | juski: | major chokage |
| [12:30:00] | sphing: | juski: i spent most of yesterday afternoon reading it |
| [12:30:00] | sphing: | its so funny |
| [12:31:00] | juski: | I loved the one where someone went into a religious channel & got the resident bot banned |
| [12:31:00] | sphing: | yea |
| [12:31:00] | sphing: | haha |
| [12:31:00] | ** sphing fires up firefox to bash ** | |
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| [12:35:00] | rsdvd: | Juski : can you I aks you an OT electronics question? |
| [12:38:00] | juski: | rsdvd: deja vu, but go ahead |
| [12:39:00] | rsdvd: | LOL.....I have been asked to try and convert a RS232 barcode scanner into USB.......I know I can get a converter but I was wondering if it woudl be possible (financially sensible) to make it myself? |
| [12:40:00] | juski: | rsdvd: er.. not really |
| [12:40:00] | rsdvd: | ok.....but there are so many comanyoes making the converts I thought the schematics/chisp would be reaily available |
| [12:41:00] | juski: | you could buy the usb-rs232 bridge & wire it up.. but the cost & time involved will prolly add up to more than the cost of a commercial one |
| [12:41:00] | rsdvd: | it the 'brdige' just an IC? |
| [12:42:00] | juski: | if they have a low component count, and they're not mega-fine pitch SMT devices you could do it no problem |
| [12:42:00] | sphing: | http://www.bash.org/?500338 |
| [12:42:00] | sphing: | aha |
| [12:42:00] | juski: | prolly just an IC a crystal & maybe a few passive components |
| [12:42:00] | rsdvd: | don;t suppose you knwo anywhere I could find a diagram? |
| [12:43:00] | juski: | is p00p's comment on bash.org yet? |
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| [12:45:00] | sphing_: | d-link routers = the suck |
| [12:46:00] | laga: | man openwrt. ;) |
| [12:46:00] | sphing_: | is that what you use? |
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| [12:47:00] | laga: | yep. i like it, it lets me do a lot of things and the hardware is really cheap. it turn these devices into powerful little machines :) |
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| [12:48:00] | sphing: | clear |
| [12:48:00] | sphing: | oops... |
| [12:48:00] | sphing: | my router isnt on the list |
| [12:49:00] | laga: | :) |
| [12:49:00] | sphing: | how big is the distro? |
| [12:50:00] | laga: | it fits on the 4mb flash chip. it only uses about 3mb, i think, so i have another megabyte to install nifty stuff |
| [12:52:00] | sphing: | this is probably a stupid question, but can you mount stufF? |
| [12:52:00] | laga: | yep. |
| [12:53:00] | sphing: | o cool... you can dump your logs onto anothermachine |
| [12:53:00] | laga: | over nfs and/or samba. some routers come with usb 2.0 ports and you can use usb hdds, for example |
| [12:53:00] | laga: | right |
| [12:53:00] | laga: | some people are even running asterisk :) |
| [12:53:00] | sphing: | no way |
| [12:53:00] | sphing: | most of theres routersare like 150mhz |
| [12:54:00] | laga: | i've heard people got it working on the wrt54gs, these devices are usually a bit faster and have more memory. i think i'm going for the asus wlg-500 deluxe the next time, it's got 300mhz |
| [12:54:00] | laga: | and usb2.0, which makes it a nice toy for wardriving, too |
| [12:55:00] | sphing: | top of your SUV... |
| [12:55:00] | laga: | hehe ;) |
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| [12:55:00] | juski: | rsdvd: sorry for the delay, but I remember seeing a serial-usb converter mentioned in an article about interfacing PICs to USB on www.epemag.co.uk |
| [12:56:00] | laga: | sphing: http://forum.openwrt.org/search.php?search_id=1588577713 <- asterisk |
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| [12:56:00] | sphing: | juski: they do have serial-usb a bunch of guys in my microprocessors class used it to talk to their motorola uC's |
| [12:56:00] | rsdvd: | juski : thanks...I will havea look! might end up buying a cheap ready-made and repackaging it |
| [12:56:00] | juski: | what's SUV stand for anyway? Sucky Useless Vehicle? |
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| [12:57:00] | sphing: | juski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUV |
| [12:57:00] | laga: | sports utility vehicle, iirc |
| [12:57:00] | danieldk: | i used that EXACT phrase yesterday wierd |
| [12:57:00] | sphing: | laga: i found this...http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+Linksys+WRT54G which has some good info |
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| [12:59:00] | laga: | sphing: i haven't played around with asterisks much yet, but it looks promising. might have to read up on it (a lot ;)) |
| [12:59:00] | sphing: | laga: 296megs for asterisks is not an embedded install |
| [13:00:00] | laga: | sphing: i got asterisk installed on the 4mb flash. |
| [13:00:00] | laga: | well, there wasn't much space left, though. ;) |
| [13:01:00] | sphing: | they got asterisk running off a floppy distro |
| [13:01:00] | sphing: | including kernel |
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| [13:10:00] | juski: | that SUV question was rhetorical ;) |
| [13:11:00] | sphing: | i think we missed that |
| [13:11:00] | sphing: | ha |
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| [13:11:00] | juski: | just been in & had my salary review :-D |
| [13:12:00] | ** juski locks his workstation so nobody here sees that while he's away ** | |
| [13:13:00] | rsdvd: | I wish I got a salary review :-( I havea crap boss (oh that's me – I am self employed) |
| [13:14:00] | ** laga doesn't get any salary at all. ** | |
| [13:14:00] | laga: | what do you guys want? ;) |
| [13:15:00] | sphing: | laga... me to |
| [13:15:00] | sphing: | but i graduate in may, so not for much longer |
| [13:15:00] | ** laga graduates in 1.5 years ** | |
| [13:15:00] | laga: | and then, i'll be off to university ;) |
| [13:16:00] | sphing: | sophmore in highschool |
| [13:16:00] | sphing: | impressive... i wasn't that linux savvy in hs |
| [13:17:00] | laga: | i'm not very linux savvy, i'm missing so much. networking stuff, for example |
| [13:18:00] | sphing: | ah i was pretty good at networking... i think i know quite a bit about linux... and in comes beirdo showing me up |
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| [13:19:00] | laga: | hehe ;). we should have a sign, "beware of the beirdo" ;) |
| [13:19:00] | sphing: | my advice: learn how to program some sort of gui |
| [13:19:00] | sphing: | widgets are like greek |
| [13:20:00] | laga: | yep, i was going to learn python, glade seems to be a nice gui toolkit (based on gtk) |
| [13:20:00] | rjune: | its' not too bad |
| [13:20:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [13:20:00] | Beirdo: | sorry |
| [13:21:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: showoff. :-) |
| [13:24:00] | Beirdo: | what did I do this time, BTW? |
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| [13:26:00] | sphing: | the raid thing yesterday... |
| [13:26:00] | Beirdo: | ah. |
| [13:26:00] | Beirdo: | no worries, dude |
| [13:26:00] | Beirdo: | you'll have a good chance to get me back I'm sure :) |
| [13:27:00] | sphing: | one day you're going to be like... the linux vfs layer is sooo cool |
| [13:27:00] | sphing: | then i'm gonna be like Beirdo you're a moron.. it blows |
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| [13:27:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [13:27:00] | sphing: | (the linux vfs layer is about the only thing i have on you probably) |
| [13:27:00] | sphing: | .... that and my stunning good looks |
| [13:27:00] | Beirdo: | no comment |
| [13:27:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [13:27:00] | Beirdo: | my fiancee likes me just as I am |
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| [13:28:00] | sphing: | "yo girl... i like hockey and I can make you're whole network redundant... whatcha doin later tonight" |
| [13:28:00] | sphing: | *your |
| [13:29:00] | Beirdo: | she's not THAT geeky |
| [13:29:00] | laga: | but it's good that she's geeky at all. ;) |
| [13:29:00] | sphing: | about the network or hockey? |
| [13:29:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [13:31:00] | sphing: | goodness i love bash |
| [13:32:00] | rjune: | sphing: I was here for that, how did Beirdo show you up on raid? |
| [13:34:00] | sphing: | i said that have similar hard drive specs were essentially required |
| [13:34:00] | Beirdo: | heh. just recommended :) |
| [13:34:00] | sphing: | while i realize you could run raid with 2 completely different specs |
| [13:34:00] | sphing: | what i meant was "for any sort of resonable performance, its HIGHLY recommended" |
| [13:35:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [13:35:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [13:35:00] | rjune: | sphing: even that's subjective. |
| [13:35:00] | sphing: | ...here we go again |
| [13:35:00] | rjune: | naaa |
| [13:35:00] | wole: | not again |
| [13:35:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure if you mix 10k RPM and 15k RPM, it'll still give great performance :) |
| [13:35:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [13:35:00] | rjune: | better then just 10ks is my guess |
| [13:35:00] | sphing: | maybe not |
| [13:36:00] | rjune: | wann send me some 10ks and a 15k and I'll test? |
| [13:36:00] | ** sphing starts boxing 2 of his 1U racks ** | |
| [13:36:00] | sphing: | yea hold on |
| [13:36:00] | rjune: | heh |
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| [13:37:00] | juski: | hell – I leave my desk to 10 minutes & the RAID thing crops up again :( |
| [13:38:00] | ** Beirdo RAIDs juski ** | |
| [13:38:00] | Beirdo: | leave a mirror in the channel, dude |
| [13:38:00] | juski: | lol |
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| [13:39:00] | juski: | time to get the IDE analyser out.. seems we need these new devices working in a hurry |
| [13:39:00] | juski: | bbl |
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| [13:46:00] | sphing: | hey laga you still around |
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| [13:52:00] | juski: | omfg there are unused data lines just like _floating_ |
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| [13:58:00] | juski: | ..and tying them down to ground erm.. cures the problem. Yay! |
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| [13:58:00] | rjune: | score one for proper grounding |
| [13:59:00] | juski: | ah.. so it sees it, but on a 64MB flash device it's seeing over 800MB free |
| [13:59:00] | sphing: | juski: thats like a hour show on a flash card |
| [13:59:00] | laga: | efficient compression |
| [13:59:00] | juski: | er.. better make that 80GB free |
| [13:59:00] | juski: | oops |
| [14:00:00] | sphing: | raid0 those up |
| [14:00:00] | juski: | in a few years that won't be so fanciful :) |
| [14:00:00] | sphing: | laga.. quick question... can you make openwrt actualy slow the connection? |
| [14:01:00] | laga: | sphing: what do you have in mind? i use QoS where my ssh sessions get more priority than bittorrent traffic, it works quite well. |
| [14:01:00] | juski: | it might make vertical recording look like a tiny step forwards.. very much looking fwd to seeing the first desktop vertical rec. HDDs though |
| [14:01:00] | ** wole cheers and does a little dance ** | |
| [14:01:00] | laga: | and you there's a package that does QoS on the wlan to make sure that "hidden nodes" won't eat up all your bandwidth |
| [14:01:00] | laga: | ah, my favourite teacher, wole ;) |
| [14:01:00] | sphing: | laga.. i want to use openwrt to simulate a connection, like cable or something so that i can use it on a test platform |
| [14:02:00] | laga: | sphing: duh. should be possible, if gnu/linux can do it. maybe you can modify the qos-script to do that, not sure. |
| [14:03:00] | ** wole has just made myth automagically revord tv an output transcoded avi files with mpeg4 video and mp3 sound ** | |
| [14:03:00] | laga: | wole: nice ;). how? |
| [14:03:00] | wole: | laga: using mkmovie |
| [14:04:00] | juski: | hmm 124896 sectors @at 512 bytes/sector = 64MB so how the hell is this software getting over 80GB? |
| [14:04:00] | wole: | laga: used knoppmyth, upgraded transcode, installed ffdshow, made & installed mkmovie then edited mkmovie script to use ffmpeg instead of divx |
| [14:05:00] | wole: | then use custom command after recording to launch mkmovie |
| [14:05:00] | laga: | wole: sounds good. make sure to submit your changes to the maintainer :) |
| [14:06:00] | wole: | will do |
| [14:07:00] | wole: | have broken avi playback on the frontend in the process tho :( |
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| [14:08:00] | laga: | wole: do you replace the original file with the transcoded one? |
| [14:08:00] | fryfrog: | anyone good with photoshop? |
| [14:09:00] | juski: | fryfrog: why, to change your nick font colour? ;) |
| [14:09:00] | fryfrog: | haha |
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| [14:09:00] | fryfrog: | no, to make a watermark similar to http://www.equusphotography.co.uk/gallery/v/2 . . . d-1.jpg.html |
| [14:09:00] | juski: | you're like the invisible man on this monitor |
| [14:09:00] | fryfrog: | http://gallery.menalto.com/node/33428#comment-121847 |
| [14:09:00] | wole: | laga: no, mkmovie takes the stuff in the \tv folder and makes an avi that it outputs to the \video folder, it then updates the videometadata table with the info from the listings |
| [14:10:00] | fryfrog: | why is my nick invisible? |
| [14:10:00] | fryfrog: | that was a brief description by the person that made it |
| [14:10:00] | juski: | yellow onwhite.. not good over 8bit vnc on a shitty cheap work TFT |
| [14:10:00] | juski: | fryfrog: use GIMP |
| [14:10:00] | laga: | wole: wow, that's quite sophisticated. but why would you have broken playback while transcoding? is your CPU too slow? |
| [14:11:00] | fryfrog: | i am using irssi, i've not really done anything... i dunno why my nick would look diff? |
| [14:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: You don't set the nick colour, his client does that |
| [14:11:00] | fryfrog: | juski: I don't mind gimp vs. ps, i just am not sure *how* to actually make that file |
| [14:11:00] | juski: | fryfrog: make a new layer, and put some white text onto it.. then set the layer transparency so the image below shows through it |
| [14:11:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, so why is he talking to me about it? |
| [14:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | *shrug* :) |
| [14:12:00] | laga: | juski, have you been drinking again? ;) |
| [14:12:00] | juski: | not yet laga |
| [14:12:00] | fryfrog: | juski: what i'm really after is the png of *just* the text so i can have them auto-watermarked |
| [14:12:00] | laga: | juski: well, it's not 4pm yet. |
| [14:12:00] | wole: | laga: no, i think that myth launches a 3rd party app to play the avi files, and it doesn't like some of the changes that i have made to the codecs i have installed – at any rate, you try to view one of these transcoded files and the screen goes black for a sec, then dumps you back to the menu. |
| [14:13:00] | wole: | works fine from mt windoze boxes over samba share tho |
| [14:13:00] | juski: | fryfrog: so just make a layer, make it semi-transparent (aka translucent) by tweaking its erm opacity, then save it as a PNG with transparency information |
| [14:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | wole: by default myth uses mplayer for mythvideo but you can use the internal player if you want to try that |
| [14:13:00] | laga: | wole: mythtv does not launch any third party app, at least nopt in the "watch recordings" screen. and mythtv also ships with its own libraries so that changes you made to your system shouldn't affect it much |
| [14:13:00] | juski: | the strange thing about fryfrog's nick is that nobody else's shows up in yello |
| [14:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: He's referring to MythVideo I believe |
| [14:14:00] | juski: | every other nick comes up in different colours |
| [14:14:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: oh, ok. thought he was talking about core functionality |
| [14:14:00] | wole: | yeah, mythvideo |
| [14:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | wole you can use the internal player or an external player |
| [14:14:00] | ** GreyFoxx wonders if the internal player should be made the default for new installs ** | |
| [14:15:00] | wole: | have to fix mplayer now – not that it really matters, i only want to use this box as a backend anyway – hasn;t even got a sound card... |
| [14:15:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: i don't thinks o, it didn't work with many of my files |
| [14:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | It works on pretty much all of mine (almost all of which are mpg, or divx/xvid avi's |
| [14:15:00] | juski: | I'll stick with my xine fankyoo |
| [14:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | making it the default doesn't stop someone from using whatever they like :) |
| [14:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | and of course that wouldn't override any existing setting |
| [14:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | Just new installs would have "Internal" by default rather than mplayer |
| [14:18:00] | wole: | Now all i have to do is patch mythweb. The final system should record the past two weeks of teachers tv on a rolling cycle (easy) and allow ppl to log on to mythweb and stream the shows to evaluate tehm (easy) then click the transcode button to move them to mythvideo & the samba share so kids can watch them (hard) |
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| [14:20:00] | wole: | GreyFox: how do i switch over to using the internal player? |
| [14:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | change the player to "Internal" |
| [14:21:00] | wole: | where? |
| [14:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | In the mythvideo player setting screens ? |
| [14:21:00] | tanq: | ok.. |
| [14:21:00] | ** wole looks ** | |
| [14:22:00] | tanq: | how do i get this to work with everything loading at boot |
| [14:22:00] | tanq: | when autoload modules and start lircd etc.. |
| [14:22:00] | tanq: | i can't get the remote to work |
| [14:22:00] | praet: | tanq any progress? |
| [14:22:00] | tanq: | yeah i have everything working except not working at boot |
| [14:22:00] | tanq: | 1 sec |
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| [14:27:00] | wole: | utilities/setup -> setup -> media settings -> video settings -> player settings. changed to 'Internal' – works now. thanks guys. |
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| [14:32:00] | wole: | hmmm, anyone know what resolution DVB is broadcast at in the uk? |
| [14:32:00] | juski: | wole: 720x576 |
| [14:33:00] | wole: | juski: thought so, i'm transcoding at anaogue 554*576 |
| [14:34:00] | juski: | how are you capturing teachers tv? grabbing it from a STB? |
| [14:34:00] | wole: | nova-t pci |
| [14:34:00] | juski: | so it's FTA? |
| [14:34:00] | wole: | er... |
| [14:35:00] | wole: | wtf is FTA? |
| [14:35:00] | juski: | (free to air) |
| [14:35:00] | jd86: | sometimes, when i press back (escape on keyboard) when trying to leave the recorded programs applet, and mythfrontend appears to crash, but its still in the process listing... whats up with this? |
| [14:35:00] | wole: | ooh |
| [14:35:00] | wole: | yes |
| [14:35:00] | juski: | wole: didn't realise that :) |
| [14:36:00] | wole: | juski: yeah, it broadcasts between 00:00 and 6:00 daily |
| [14:38:00] | juski: | heh what a difference having mythtv in school would've made.. rather than those huge old BAIRD VCrs we had that would never track anything |
| [14:38:00] | jd86: | they're thinking about having one at my school |
| [14:38:00] | wole: | juski: yeah, we loose so much good content |
| [14:38:00] | jd86: | but after i leave they'll have no idea how to run it |
| [14:38:00] | jd86: | so anyone have any idea on my q? (not to rush people) |
| [14:39:00] | ** wole scans back ** | |
| [14:39:00] | wole: | jd86: remind me? |
| [14:39:00] | jd86: | remind you what? |
| [14:39:00] | wole: | the question |
| [14:39:00] | juski: | up about 10 lines |
| [14:39:00] | jams: | jd86- doest help you but I also get that |
| [14:39:00] | praet: | what version you on |
| [14:40:00] | jd86: | oh |
| [14:40:00] | jd86: | i got a svn which i grabbed like a month or two or 3 ago |
| [14:40:00] | jd86: | probably at max 2 months |
| [14:40:00] | jd86: | because the regular version didn't work too well |
| [14:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | so you are running 2 month old svn ? |
| [14:40:00] | juski: | jd86: probably worth grabbing the latest SVN I would've thought |
| [14:41:00] | wole: | oh yeah :-$. Don't know. but it has done it to me as well. |
| [14:41:00] | jd86: | juski: well the problem is, i have 3 frontends, so i have to update for all of those computers as well, i don't know how to do that very well |
| [14:41:00] | jd86: | it does it alot on one certian frontend |
| [14:41:00] | jd86: | i mean i added a remote button to restart mythfrontend when that happens |
| [14:41:00] | jd86: | but |
| [14:41:00] | jd86: | thats not the solution i was looking for heh |
| [14:42:00] | jd86: | anything big change in svn in the past month ? |
| [14:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | how do we know what you consider big ? :) |
| [14:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | read the commits list and you can see what chjanges have been made :) |
| [14:44:00] | jd86: | on another note.. is there some plugin which will allow me to EASILY create a dvd/svcd from a recorded show? |
| [14:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | nothin official, but there are various solutions others have put out there like mythburn |
| [14:46:00] | jd86: | ah |
| [14:46:00] | jd86: | nice |
| [14:49:00] | praet: | keep an eye on nuv2disc too : http://extras.mythtvtalk.com/screens/index.html |
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| [14:52:00] | jd86: | i'll get a new svn checkout, and see if i can get that working and if I can i'll work on getting one of them working |
| [14:55:00] | dev-: | so tired |
| [14:56:00] | jd86: | so not in the mood to clean my room |
| [14:56:00] | jd86: | and build another frontend |
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| [15:03:00] | juski: | hahaha transcoded some recordings as a tester.. and now they're bigger as mpeg4 than they were as mpeg2 |
| [15:04:00] | juski: | think I'll just copy em to my winblows box & use projectx |
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| [15:06:00] | jd86: | i have everything with commercial flagging, but how do i make a "cut list"? |
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| [15:06:00] | tanq: | ok back |
| [15:07:00] | tanq: | soo.. |
| [15:08:00] | tanq: | anyone willing to help me get this setup so i can load everything at boot time..? |
| [15:08:00] | tanq: | i took a stab at it .. everything loaded but lirc wasn't working right |
| [15:08:00] | tanq: | actually wasn't working at all |
| [15:13:00] | ** tanq sighs ** | |
| [15:13:00] | jd86: | :( |
| [15:14:00] | jd86: | tanq: what dist? |
| [15:14:00] | jd86: | ro |
| [15:14:00] | tanq: | gentoo |
| [15:14:00] | jd86: | and you want to get X and mythfrontend to start on boot? |
| [15:15:00] | tanq: | and lircd, irexec, and irxevent |
| [15:15:00] | jd86: | hmm |
| [15:15:00] | tanq: | X is no problem |
| [15:15:00] | jd86: | well lircd should have a rc script /etc/init.d/lircd << thats lircd so add it to boot rc-update add lircd default |
| [15:15:00] | tanq: | lircd doesnt have the script |
| [15:15:00] | tanq: | i installed from source |
| [15:16:00] | tanq: | but i wrote one last night and it pukes |
| [15:16:00] | jd86: | so did i, i edited the gentoo one, want mine? |
| [15:16:00] | jd86: | wheres lircd located at? |
| [15:16:00] | jd86: | /usr/local/sbin/lircd ? |
| [15:16:00] | tanq: | /usr/local/ |
| [15:16:00] | tanq: | yeah |
| [15:17:00] | tanq: | its in the same as yours. |
| [15:17:00] | jd86: | ok |
| [15:17:00] | jd86: | http://jimhome.psunit.com/lircd |
| [15:17:00] | tanq: | so i exec /usr/local/sbin/lircd /etc/conf.d/mythbackend/lircd.conf |
| [15:17:00] | jd86: | and you probably should have a /etc/conf.d/lircd that says somthing like: |
| [15:18:00] | jd86: | http://jimhome.psunit.com/lircd_put_inconf.d |
| [15:18:00] | tanq: | where is LIRCD_OPTS set |
| [15:18:00] | jd86: | /etc/conf.d/lircd |
| [15:18:00] | jd86: | something like that second file |
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| [15:21:00] | tanq: | doesnt like your script |
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| [15:21:00] | jd86: | what doesn't? |
| [15:22:00] | tanq: | well i start lircd with the script |
| [15:22:00] | tanq: | and then when i start irexec it dies |
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| [15:22:00] | jd86: | how do you exactly start lircd from the command line? any options? |
| [15:23:00] | tanq: | ahh.. |
| [15:24:00] | tanq: | i forgot.. something happened last nigth were /dev/lirc wasn't being created anymore but /dev/lirc0 still is.. so i have to start lircd with -d /dev/lirc0 |
| [15:25:00] | jd86: | :) |
| [15:25:00] | tanq: | i have too many issues with scripts in init.d |
| [15:25:00] | jd86: | my init.d scripts love me |
| [15:25:00] | tanq: | now it says its started and all that crap |
| [15:26:00] | tanq: | and its not and i get a message about m times differ |
| [15:26:00] | jd86: | now i need to make a duplicate of mythfront1 so i can have mythfront2 |
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| [15:26:00] | jd86: | tanq: well zap it and try again |
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| [15:27:00] | tanq: | do you use irexec and irxevent? |
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| [15:28:00] | jd86: | no |
| [15:29:00] | jd86: | mythfrontend does its thing |
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| [15:30:00] | tanq: | i can't get myth to work with the remote without using irexec and irxevent |
| [15:30:00] | tanq: | prog =mythtv just doesnt do anthing for me |
| [15:31:00] | juski: | tanq: was mythtv compiled without native lirc support? |
| [15:31:00] | tanq: | probably |
| [15:31:00] | juski: | tanq: that'll be why then ;) |
| [15:31:00] | tanq: | i can't even remember how i installed it |
| [15:31:00] | Krazylegz: | tanq: Do you ever sleep? |
| [15:31:00] | tanq: | i try |
| [15:32:00] | dev-: | lol |
| [15:33:00] | tanq: | ok so here is the problem i was having juski |
| [15:33:00] | tanq: | the only thing i could install via ebuild was mythtv |
| [15:33:00] | tanq: | i guess if i stub out lirc i can make this work |
| [15:33:00] | juski: | ahh.. you need lirc in your USE list |
| [15:33:00] | tanq: | yeah i know.. |
| [15:33:00] | tanq: | but basically i compiled lirc and ivtv myself |
| [15:34:00] | juski: | coz if it's not there when you emerge mythtv it won't build it into mythtv |
| [15:34:00] | tanq: | i guess i need to do an inject so i can USE lirc |
| [15:34:00] | juski: | or just edit /etc/make.conf and re-emerge mythtv |
| [15:34:00] | tanq: | what would make.conf have to do with lirc failing emerge |
| [15:35:00] | jd86: | tanq: just add lirc to provided |
| [15:35:00] | juski: | put lirc in USE, coz otherwie mythtv won't be built with lirc support |
| [15:35:00] | juski: | it makes no difference whether you build lirc yourself or not if mythtv isn't built with lirc enabled |
| [15:36:00] | tanq: | provided? |
| [15:36:00] | tanq: | they've changed some stuff around. .you can't even inject anymore |
| [15:37:00] | juski: | ah.. wait a sec.. I had a problem where lirc wouldn't work, and emerging mythtv made it try to emerge lirc too |
| [15:37:00] | tanq: | yeah when you USE lirc it tries to emerge lirc |
| [15:37:00] | tanq: | and masking it wont work.. |
| [15:37:00] | juski: | edit the ebuild.. muhahahaha |
| [15:37:00] | tanq: | you used to be able stub them out |
| [15:37:00] | juski: | I've editied ebuilds to make it work before |
| [15:38:00] | juski: | slowly started dawning on me how crap gentoo is about stuff like that |
| [15:39:00] | dev-: | its not really gentoo.. its usually a problem betwee nthe keyboard and chair |
| [15:39:00] | juski: | it's all well & good if the stuff builds okay, but when it doesn't... |
| [15:39:00] | dev-: | tanq: you shouldnt really install things from src on gentoo, if you use portage... should either always use portage, or never use it.. |
| [15:40:00] | dev-: | juski: most of the time its a very common problem, or you can edit ebuilds ;p |
| [15:41:00] | tanq: | dev-: actually it doesn't matter i've been using gentoo for a long time. |
| [15:41:00] | dev-: | ok there useing a hack to get lirc support in myth |
| [15:41:00] | dev-: | you must be the man |
| [15:41:00] | dev-: | :) |
| [15:42:00] | juski: | the point is, ebuilds shouldn't have to be edited |
| [15:42:00] | tanq: | the only difference is using an ebuild vs entering the commands yourself. |
| [15:42:00] | dev-: | oh and what else, cant even get shit to work on boot |
| [15:42:00] | tanq: | it's all compiled from source |
| [15:42:00] | dev-: | juski: only times ive edited ebuilds were to make new ones for new versions ;p but thats copying really :) |
| [15:43:00] | juski: | I never managed to get lirc to work properly from portage so I built it myself |
| [15:43:00] | tanq: | yeah i had to get lirc from cvs |
| [15:43:00] | tanq: | i think i was able to emerge it but it didnt work |
| [15:43:00] | dev-: | lol |
| [15:43:00] | juski: | last thing I had to do with an ebuild was fix it so a broken dependency (hard masked I might add) wasn't needed for xmltv (and it wasn't actually needed anyway) |
| [15:43:00] | tanq: | and the stable dist on the website wouldnt work fro me either |
| [15:45:00] | ** tanq yawns ** | |
| [15:45:00] | juski: | so anyway... |
| [15:45:00] | tanq: | exactly |
| [15:46:00] | tanq: | i'll worry about myth later |
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| [15:58:00] | juski: | oo 4pm |
| [15:59:00] | jd86: | whats at 4pm? |
| [15:59:00] | juski: | time to offski & practice being an ass-hat with my work colleagues :) |
| [15:59:00] | Beirdo: | as opposed to doing so at work? |
| [15:59:00] | juski: | lol |
| [15:59:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [15:59:00] | juski: | pretty much |
| [15:59:00] | Beirdo: | cool. have a good weekend |
| [16:00:00] | Beirdo: | don't drink the pub dry though |
| [16:00:00] | Beirdo: | leave at least one drink for tomorrow morning :) |
| [16:00:00] | juski: | yeh. I'll try to resist the temptation to log in here pissed |
| [16:00:00] | juski: | laters chaps & chap-ettes |
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| [16:18:00] | ** tanq yawns ** | |
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| [16:42:00] | praet: | is knoppmyth recommended for a stand alone myth box. be/fe |
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| [16:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Whatever distro you are most familiar with is recommended :) |
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| [16:47:00] | praet: | well ive built a .16 box using the fedora guide. but want to build a new box trying something else |
| [16:48:00] | praet: | just wondering if there are any caveats to using knoppix as the backend |
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| [16:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | A distro is adistro, as long as the required libraries are available myth wont care one way or the other :) |
| [16:49:00] | jams: | just make sure your running the same version of myth on all the boxes |
| [16:49:00] | praet: | excellent |
| [16:49:00] | praet: | this is a gift/standalone |
| [16:50:00] | Krazylegz: | MythTV == The Perfect Chrismahannukwanzakah gift! |
| [16:50:00] | praet: | a26 is myth .18 i think |
| [16:50:00] | praet: | lol Krazylegz |
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| [16:58:00] | tanq: | praet: so when you have your myth box in your living room.. what do you use to login on restart |
| [16:58:00] | tanq: | do you keep a keyboard in there? |
| [16:59:00] | Pix: | ok, now that i'm trying to use a dvb-s card, i know what the word "painful" means :) |
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| [17:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | put yourmythbox on your network |
| [17:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | and ssh into it to controll it |
| [17:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | if its in your living room, put it on a wifi network |
| [17:02:00] | praet: | tanq yeah i keep a keyboard |
| [17:03:00] | |Slurpee|: | thats not cool though ;/ |
| [17:03:00] | |Slurpee|: | keep a small laptop sittin around |
| [17:03:00] | praet: | i also have a wifi comp in another room connected to the router |
| [17:03:00] | tanq: | yeah i have my zaurus |
| [17:03:00] | |Slurpee|: | ssh into the mythbox and fix it |
| [17:03:00] | |Slurpee|: | you never have to get up |
| [17:03:00] | tanq: | believe me i thought about it |
| [17:03:00] | tanq: | heh |
| [17:03:00] | Beirdo: | screw getting off the couch |
| [17:03:00] | praet: | no laptop here |
| [17:03:00] | Beirdo: | that's uncivilized |
| [17:03:00] | |Slurpee|: | i dont have a laptop either |
| [17:03:00] | |Slurpee|: | yet |
| [17:03:00] | |Slurpee|: | ive had like 6 |
| [17:03:00] | |Slurpee|: | but not a laptop now |
| [17:04:00] | |Slurpee|: | money is going into myth box now |
| [17:04:00] | praet: | the kb box is hidden inside an etertainment system |
| [17:04:00] | |Slurpee|: | finally got my paycheck yesterday and am able to order my hardware |
| [17:04:00] | tanq: | i could program something up in qt so i can just click on a button on my zaurus |
| [17:04:00] | tanq: | heh |
| [17:04:00] | |Slurpee|: | i should acutally order my hardware now |
| [17:04:00] | praet: | nice slurpee |
| [17:04:00] | |Slurpee|: | so it gets shipped ontime |
| [17:04:00] | |Slurpee|: | before 5 pm on friday |
| [17:04:00] | praet: | ack |
| [17:05:00] | tanq: | i have 2 other cards I think i'm going to stick on this box now. |
| [17:05:00] | tanq: | so i can still watch livetv |
| [17:06:00] | praet: | what did you code your zaurus to do? |
| [17:06:00] | |Slurpee|: | hey u guys |
| [17:06:00] | |Slurpee|: | lemme find the urls of the stuff i picked out ... |
| [17:06:00] | |Slurpee|: | http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=14545 |
| [17:06:00] | |Slurpee|: | im pretty sure thats the mobo/cpu combo |
| [17:07:00] | |Slurpee|: | people have told me that will work great with mythtv.. u guys agree ? |
| [17:08:00] | |Slurpee|: | i seriously want to order it right now |
| [17:08:00] | praet: | sempron 3000 |
| [17:08:00] | |Slurpee|: | but just wnat to make sure itll work |
| [17:08:00] | |Slurpee|: | im going to buy 1 gig of ram for it from a dif location |
| [17:09:00] | praet: | good cost/performance |
| [17:09:00] | fryfrog: | I don't think I would buy an ECS board, but mainly because I am not familiar wtih them |
| [17:09:00] | fryfrog: | I'd probably pick something from asus, abit, gigabyte or ummm |
| [17:09:00] | fryfrog: | tyan? |
| [17:09:00] | |Slurpee|: | im not really worried about board manf |
| [17:09:00] | praet: | http://www.ocinside.de/assets/mainboard/ecs_755_a2_u_big.jpg |
| [17:09:00] | Krazylegz: | Oooo, purple. |
| [17:09:00] | fryfrog: | in that case, it doesn't look to bad :) |
| [17:09:00] | praet: | yeah i prefer abit/asus but i think that board should do |
| [17:10:00] | praet: | http://www.ocworkbench.com/2004/ecs/755a2/755a2-1.htm |
| [17:10:00] | fryfrog: | MSI is also good |
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| [17:10:00] | |Slurpee|: | well im looking for price here |
| [17:10:00] | |Slurpee|: | 136 with free shipping for the board and cpu |
| [17:10:00] | |Slurpee|: | and if it will do the job |
| [17:10:00] | |Slurpee|: | thats what im ordering |
| [17:10:00] | fryfrog: | +$10–20 for a *good* motherboard could save you hours of hate in the future :) |
| [17:10:00] | |Slurpee|: | 5 pci slot, 8x agp |
| [17:10:00] | |Slurpee|: | fryfrog, u think so ? |
| [17:11:00] | |Slurpee|: | were can i spend an extra 10–20 |
| [17:11:00] | |Slurpee|: | and get really get my 10–20 worth |
| [17:11:00] | fryfrog: | also, did you look that store up on resellerratings.com? |
| [17:11:00] | |Slurpee|: | nope |
| [17:11:00] | |Slurpee|: | pricewatch |
| [17:11:00] | |Slurpee|: | i trust all stores on pricewatch |
| [17:11:00] | |Slurpee|: | been using it for years |
| [17:12:00] | praet: | the smpron comes with some combo deals today: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104241 |
| [17:12:00] | fryfrog: | here are some minor things I would point out with that setup |
| [17:12:00] | fryfrog: | (the same is true for anything in that range too) |
| [17:13:00] | |Slurpee|: | k |
| [17:13:00] | fryfrog: | socket 754 is a dead end, you won't be able to upgrade the cpu to anything much over what you are getting now |
| [17:13:00] | |Slurpee|: | well i dont plan on upgrading it |
| [17:13:00] | fryfrog: | agp is also being replaced by pci-e, but that is a MUCH less important deal at this point |
| [17:13:00] | |Slurpee|: | this is mythtv only |
| [17:13:00] | praet: | on newegg $86.00 sempron + $44.00 755-A2 = $130 |
| [17:13:00] | |Slurpee|: | and if i do need to upgrade.... i will just build a new box |
| [17:14:00] | |Slurpee|: | 130 for the combo? |
| [17:14:00] | |Slurpee|: | and the hardware is better ?? |
| [17:14:00] | praet: | same hardware |
| [17:14:00] | praet: | but there are combo deals with the cpu you may want to check |
| [17:15:00] | |Slurpee|: | can u find me a good one |
| [17:15:00] | |Slurpee|: | bump it up 10–20 |
| [17:15:00] | |Slurpee|: | if u find somethign that will make the 10–20 extra worth it |
| [17:15:00] | |Slurpee|: | and i will buy it now |
| [17:15:00] | |Slurpee|: | i want to get this hardware to me before xmas |
| [17:15:00] | fryfrog: | 2600+ sempron is only like $64 too |
| [17:15:00] | |Slurpee|: | so i can work on it on my days off from work |
| [17:15:00] | praet: | nice one fryfrog |
| [17:16:00] | fryfrog: | 2800+ is $75 |
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| [17:16:00] | praet: | |Slurpee| i am doing the same thing with spare parts :) |
| [17:16:00] | fryfrog: | you'd prolly never notice a diff between 2800 and 3000, probably not between 2600 and 3000 either |
| [17:17:00] | fryfrog: | do you need mini or micro atx? |
| [17:17:00] | |Slurpee|: | not sure |
| [17:17:00] | fryfrog: | or were you looking at HUGE boards? |
| [17:17:00] | |Slurpee|: | ill work with either one |
| [17:17:00] | fryfrog: | mini and micro will only have 1 or 2 pci slots, but you can build a pretty tiny system |
| [17:17:00] | |Slurpee|: | ooo |
| [17:17:00] | |Slurpee|: | not mini then |
| [17:17:00] | fryfrog: | a micro with 1x PVR 500 would be nice |
| [17:17:00] | |Slurpee|: | i liked having 5 pci |
| [17:17:00] | fryfrog: | 2 tuners, small spot |
| [17:18:00] | |Slurpee|: | pvr is the only video card i need ? |
| [17:18:00] | fryfrog: | how do you plan to hook to tv? |
| [17:18:00] | fryfrog: | PVR is a tv tuner card |
| [17:18:00] | fryfrog: | svideo, rca, vga, hdmi/dvi? |
| [17:18:00] | praet: | fryfrog what socket type for those procs |
| [17:18:00] | fryfrog: | 754 |
| [17:18:00] | |Slurpee|: | i need....mobo/cpu/memory, pvr-150, firewire port ?? |
| [17:18:00] | |Slurpee|: | i kno about the pvr-150 |
| [17:18:00] | fryfrog: | |Slurpee|: i don't know your setup, so i can't say for sure |
| [17:18:00] | praet: | |Slurpee| he is asking how you are outputting to tv |
| [17:18:00] | |Slurpee|: | right now im on a analog tv |
| [17:19:00] | |Slurpee|: | but i plan on going hdtv |
| [17:19:00] | |Slurpee|: | i used to work at a high end tv store for 5 years |
| [17:19:00] | |Slurpee|: | so they kidna owe me a great deal on a tv |
| [17:19:00] | fryfrog: | *if* you are going to do HDTV, use DVI -> HDMI or DVI -> DVI |
| [17:19:00] | praet: | like a vid card with composite or s-video out |
| [17:19:00] | |Slurpee|: | i just dont have themoney for it yet |
| [17:19:00] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [17:19:00] | |Slurpee|: | i will do hdmi in the future |
| [17:19:00] | |Slurpee|: | but for now i just need sd |
| [17:19:00] | fryfrog: | so you probably want a video card with svideo, vga and hdmi out? |
| [17:19:00] | fryfrog: | i mean, dvi |
| [17:19:00] | |Slurpee|: | i was told i could get a hdtv box from cable company with a firewire port |
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| [17:20:00] | |Slurpee|: | and do hdtv that way in the future |
| [17:20:00] | fryfrog: | |Slurpee|: don't depend on that, it doesn't work for everyoen and there is no way to know until you try |
| [17:20:00] | |Slurpee|: | well thats in the future |
| [17:20:00] | fryfrog: | |Slurpee|: i have a cable box with firewire, but can't pull many channels |
| [17:20:00] | |Slurpee|: | pvr-150 will be the video i need for sd ? |
| [17:20:00] | fryfrog: | for 1 tuner |
| [17:20:00] | praet: | the sempron 2800 is 75.50 on newegg |
| [17:20:00] | fryfrog: | a pvr 500 has two tuners on one card |
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| [17:21:00] | |Slurpee|: | well im still ocnfused |
| [17:21:00] | |Slurpee|: | no one ever answers this question |
| [17:21:00] | |Slurpee|: | how many cards do i need to buy ???? |
| [17:21:00] | praet: | the pvr-150 will pull from cable to your computer |
| [17:21:00] | fryfrog: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128292 |
| [17:21:00] | |Slurpee|: | jsut for standard definition |
| [17:21:00] | praet: | then you need to output from your comp to the tv |
| [17:21:00] | fryfrog: | |Slurpee|: 1 tuner == 1 recording |
| [17:21:00] | fryfrog: | so if you want to only *ever* record 1 show, you only need 1 tuner |
| [17:21:00] | fryfrog: | but if you want to record two shows at the same time... |
| [17:22:00] | |Slurpee|: | nah |
| [17:22:00] | fryfrog: | you need another tuner |
| [17:22:00] | |Slurpee|: | im fine with 1 show at a time |
| [17:22:00] | |Slurpee|: | so i only need the pvr-150 ? |
| [17:22:00] | fryfrog: | ie, if Lost and Superman are on at the same time, it will only pick one to record |
| [17:22:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, one 150 is fine |
| [17:22:00] | |Slurpee|: | well i can watch lost and record superman ? |
| [17:22:00] | praet: | and a video card that can output to your tv |
| [17:22:00] | fryfrog: | I had 4x pvr 250s |
| [17:22:00] | praet: | well i can watch lost and record superman ? << only if it was previously recorded |
| [17:22:00] | fryfrog: | sure, as long as you recorded lost the day before |
| [17:22:00] | fryfrog: | or you juse use your tv |
| [17:23:00] | |Slurpee|: | yea |
| [17:23:00] | praet: | fryfrog wtf.. how many cards are you using now? |
| [17:23:00] | fryfrog: | (and if you just watch lost on yoru tv w/o myth at all) |
| [17:23:00] | fryfrog: | i only have one pvr250 running |
| [17:23:00] | |Slurpee|: | yea ill watch lost on my tv and have mythtv record superman ? |
| [17:23:00] | fryfrog: | and a hdtv5000 that isn't working |
| [17:23:00] | |Slurpee|: | what is a pvr-250 ?? |
| [17:23:00] | fryfrog: | |Slurpee|: correct |
| [17:23:00] | |Slurpee|: | i think i just need a pvr-150 to start out |
| [17:23:00] | fryfrog: | its the *older* version of the 150 |
| [17:24:00] | |Slurpee|: | then i need another video card |
| [17:24:00] | fryfrog: | 150 == newer, better 250 |
| [17:24:00] | praet: | right.. it came first |
| [17:24:00] | |Slurpee|: | do i put the other video card in the agp ? |
| [17:24:00] | fryfrog: | |Slurpee|: generally :) |
| [17:24:00] | praet: | and the 150 includes an ir transmitter, a large remote |
| [17:24:00] | praet: | and is cheaper :) |
| [17:24:00] | |Slurpee|: | k |
| [17:24:00] | |Slurpee|: | remeber |
| [17:24:00] | |Slurpee|: | im going to order all this stuff right now |
| [17:25:00] | |Slurpee|: | so please bare with me if i have too many questions |
| [17:25:00] | praet: | hehe ask twice, buy once :) |
| [17:25:00] | |Slurpee|: | so i need the pvr-150 and 1 more video card |
| [17:25:00] | |Slurpee|: | which video card do u recommend |
| [17:25:00] | fryfrog: | GF4 + is prolly best choice |
| [17:25:00] | fryfrog: | you could probably get one real cheap from ebay |
| [17:25:00] | |Slurpee|: | i was told a nvida fx5200 ... |
| [17:25:00] | fryfrog: | mine uses a GF4 Ti 4200 |
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| [17:26:00] | |Slurpee|: | whats the averaqge price |
| [17:26:00] | fryfrog: | sure, that is higher than a GF4 |
| [17:26:00] | praet: | fx5200 agp comes with some good outputs |
| [17:26:00] | praet: | $50 |
| [17:26:00] | |Slurpee|: | any model numbers or prices you can give me ? |
| [17:26:00] | |Slurpee|: | i think i had found a fx5200 for 37 with free shipping |
| [17:28:00] | praet: | well like fryfrog said, if you plan on hd soon get one with dvi out |
| [17:28:00] | |Slurpee|: | does 5200 have that ? |
| [17:28:00] | praet: | depends on the model |
| [17:28:00] | |Slurpee|: | can u find a model that does ? |
| [17:28:00] | praet: | asus: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121186 |
| [17:29:00] | praet: | that has composit out |
| [17:29:00] | praet: | eVga: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130173 |
| [17:29:00] | praet: | that one has s-video out |
| [17:29:00] | |Slurpee|: | which is better |
| [17:30:00] | praet: | both have dvi and vga |
| [17:30:00] | praet: | so if you have svideo into yuor tv get the svideo one |
| [17:30:00] | |Slurpee|: | i have svideo into my analog tv |
| [17:31:00] | |Slurpee|: | then when i get the hdtv i can just use the dvi ?? |
| [17:31:00] | fryfrog: | yup, thats what i did |
| [17:31:00] | |Slurpee|: | sweet |
| [17:31:00] | |Slurpee|: | so i got that card |
| [17:31:00] | fryfrog: | though, be sure you order your dvi -> hdmi cable ONLINE |
| [17:31:00] | |Slurpee|: | yea i worked at the store... |
| [17:31:00] | fryfrog: | in bestbuy, the cable is like $80 |
| [17:31:00] | |Slurpee|: | i kno about the cables hahah |
| [17:31:00] | fryfrog: | online is like $10 |
| [17:31:00] | praet: | wow thanks for the heads up |
| [17:31:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, moster |
| [17:31:00] | fryfrog: | monster |
| [17:31:00] | |Slurpee|: | mosnter and straight wire |
| [17:31:00] | fryfrog: | they suck |
| [17:31:00] | |Slurpee|: | well either way |
| [17:31:00] | fryfrog: | they are full of shit |
| [17:32:00] | |Slurpee|: | new egg have pvr-150 ? |
| [17:32:00] | praet: | yeah i just bought one |
| [17:32:00] | |Slurpee|: | there is multiple pvr-150s ... |
| [17:32:00] | praet: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116625 89. |
| [17:33:00] | praet: | oh right.. the mce versions allow rca audio in, and do not include a remote (they are for windows media center) |
| [17:33:00] | |Slurpee|: | i want the remote ;/ |
| [17:36:00] | |Slurpee|: | were is the one with the remote |
| [17:36:00] | |Slurpee|: | plzdont bail on me :( |
| [17:39:00] | |Slurpee|: | damnit |
| [17:39:00] | praet: | check that last link :) |
| [17:40:00] | |Slurpee|: | u said it didnt have remote |
| [17:41:00] | |Slurpee|: | does it |
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| [17:42:00] | Zirka: | Hello. |
| [17:42:00] | Zirka: | Anyone in here know anything about power supplies? |
| [17:42:00] | alunt2003: | Anyone here got a "skycontrol" usb channel changer? |
| [17:43:00] | |Slurpee|: | praet, can u at least help me pick oput the cpu/mobo |
| [17:43:00] | Zirka: | I've been having a bunch of odd problems cropping up on my MythTV system, and I think the PSU is under powered. looking for a second opinion. |
| [17:44:00] | praet: | |Slurpee| that model for 89.99 is the right one with remote |
| [17:45:00] | gnoob: | all those cards like the pvr-500 250 or 150 all work great with linux and myth? |
| [17:45:00] | Zirka: | gnoob, Apparently they do. |
| [17:45:00] | gnoob: | the 500 sems like a good deal. |
| [17:45:00] | Zirka: | Though I've been having trouble with my PVR-150, but I think it's caused by a failing PSU. |
| [17:45:00] | praet: | gnoob yes they are all supported |
| [17:46:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, setting up the Mythbox for DVD playback was as easy as I had assumed.....install DVD-ROM drive in computer, boot. |
| [17:46:00] | gnoob: | cool |
| [17:47:00] | |Slurpee|: | prate, can u plz PM with me so i can order this stuff ? |
| [17:47:00] | Krazylegz: | Let's just hope that upgrading to a larger hard drive is also as easy as I think it will be. |
| [17:47:00] | gnoob: | I built a cheap computer and it's noisy. I do regret that somewhat. |
| [17:48:00] | gnoob: | considering it's an amd64 and could take advantage of cool-n-quiet and all that stuff. |
| [17:48:00] | praet: | |Slurpee| see pm |
| [17:48:00] | Zirka: | gnoob, Use a back end/front end set-up. |
| [17:49:00] | praet: | Zirka whats happening on your machine that pinots to a psu fail |
| [17:49:00] | praet: | *points |
| [17:49:00] | Zirka: | Just throw the back-end into a closet, then use a smaller, quieter computer as a front-end. |
| [17:49:00] | Zirka: | praet, hard disk seek/badCRC errors, despite changing IDE cables and hard disks. |
| [17:49:00] | gnoob: | Zirka; tha'ts my plan someday. |
| [17:50:00] | Zirka: | NIC won't access DNS addresses despite being properly configured |
| [17:50:00] | Zirka: | PVR-150 refuses to change channels. |
| [17:50:00] | gnoob: | I would like to build some small fanless mini boxes. |
| [17:50:00] | gnoob: | mini itx or something |
| [17:50:00] | Zirka: | gnoob, Just use an XBox for the time being. they're pretty damn quiet |
| [17:50:00] | gnoob: | and they are cheap huh? |
| [17:50:00] | Zirka: | $129 at GameStop for an in-store refurbished model. |
| [17:50:00] | Zirka: | Just don't try to do HD on them. |
| [17:51:00] | gnoob: | Interesting Idea. |
| [17:51:00] | wole: | can you use an ir remote with an xbox? |
| [17:51:00] | Zirka: | Yes. |
| [17:51:00] | Krazylegz: | I guess the XBoxen work well for frontends. |
| [17:51:00] | Zirka: | The official XBox remote is supposed to work. |
| [17:51:00] | praet: | |Slurpee| i am not seeing any pms from you.. make sure you are registered |
| [17:51:00] | wole: | don't you need to chip it? |
| [17:51:00] | Zirka: | No. |
| [17:51:00] | Zirka: | You do have to soft-mod it though. |
| [17:51:00] | Krazylegz: | http://www.killefiz.de/k/machines/xbox-mythtv-frontend/ |
| [17:52:00] | gnoob: | so you just follow a linux isntall on the xbox then intlal myth and you are set? |
| [17:52:00] | gnoob: | do you have to mod it an all that? |
| [17:52:00] | gnoob: | ah |
| [17:52:00] | Zirka: | You have to mod it first. |
| [17:52:00] | gnoob: | my question was to late |
| [17:52:00] | Zirka: | The process is a little quirkier than installing Linux on a normal PC |
| [17:52:00] | gnoob: | but runs stable when it's completed? |
| [17:53:00] | Zirka: | Mmm hmmm |
| [17:53:00] | gnoob: | how long does somethign like that take to boot up |
| [17:53:00] | gnoob: | ? |
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| [17:54:00] | gnoob: | I would actually like to set up something for my parents. Need something stable reliable and fast. |
| [17:54:00] | praet: | http://www.ps.masny.dk/projects/linux/mythtv- . . . x-HOWTO.html |
| [17:54:00] | Zirka: | gnoob, Not too long, actually. |
| [17:54:00] | Zirka: | It IS 99% like your average home PC |
| [17:54:00] | praet: | gnoob do you already have a backend setup? |
| [17:55:00] | gnoob: | no, but have the PC for it. Kind of. The PC needs a few upgrades maybe hdd and ram. |
| [17:56:00] | praet: | heh same here. |
| [17:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. Can you still play games on the XBox? |
| [17:56:00] | ** Krazylegz considers experimenting with the XBox that was left here ** | |
| [17:57:00] | gnoob: | left where? |
| [17:57:00] | Zirka: | So, do my problems sound like that of an under powered PSU |
| [17:57:00] | Zirka: | ? |
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| [18:00:00] | Krazylegz: | gnoob: Left at my house. |
| [18:00:00] | gnoob: | Who left it and why? |
| [18:01:00] | |Slurpee|: | k i think i got my main setup with prices all from one store ! |
| [18:01:00] | |Slurpee|: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104245 – mobo |
| [18:01:00] | gnoob: | that's the best way to go. All one store. |
| [18:01:00] | |Slurpee|: | actually that was cpu |
| [18:01:00] | |Slurpee|: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130494 – mobo |
| [18:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116625 – pvr-150 |
| [18:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130173 – fx5200 gforece video card |
| [18:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | for a total of 267.44 |
| [18:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | i am going to buy ram from a differnt store though |
| [18:03:00] | |Slurpee|: | the psu too |
| [18:03:00] | |Slurpee|: | but i may have a psu laying around my office |
| [18:05:00] | gnoob: | just get a case witha PSU. |
| [18:07:00] | poop: | newegg rocks |
| [18:07:00] | Krazylegz: | gnoob: My friend left it because he doesn't need it at his house. We play 4-player Halo here. |
| [18:07:00] | gnoob: | it sucks if you live in CA. then you have to pay tax. |
| [18:07:00] | poop: | nmediapc has a cheap htpc case |
| [18:08:00] | Krazylegz: | Newegg does indeed rock. |
| [18:08:00] | gnoob: | i say play around with it, if you break it just play dumb. |
| [18:08:00] | Krazylegz: | I ordered from them on monday around 1pm. Shipped via UPS ground. Shipment arrived on wednesday at noon. |
| [18:08:00] | poop: | Anyone ever capture from spdif in? |
| [18:08:00] | Krazylegz: | gnoob: Heh, but then I can't play any more Halo. |
| [18:08:00] | ** Krazylegz needs to build a stand for the Logitech PS2 wheel ** | |
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| [18:10:00] | gnoob: | I ordered a monitor from them once. Seemed to take a long time to get to me. |
| [18:10:00] | Krazylegz: | gnoob: Chicago? |
| [18:10:00] | gnoob: | yes |
| [18:11:00] | Krazylegz: | I got my Pundit-R, CPU and RAM quickly. |
| [18:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, my stuff shipped from NJ. |
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| [18:13:00] | gnoob: | Can't remember where mine shipped from. |
| [18:13:00] | poop: | My stuff just shipped from .ca |
| [18:16:00] | praet: | |Slurpee| did you place that order? because you wont need the onboard gfx as you are buying a gfx card |
| [18:17:00] | praet: | also, newegg has a rush shipping option |
| [18:17:00] | poop: | damn, my G5 fan is already here |
| [18:18:00] | poop: | I called that in to Apple just yesterday |
| [18:19:00] | praet: | you adding a fan or did you have one 'crap' out meh meh meh |
| [18:20:00] | poop: | It started squeaking at me. |
| [18:21:00] | poop: | Word to the wise: don't you squeak at me or I'll have you replaced. |
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| [18:21:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v xris | |
| [18:22:00] | ** laga squeaks ** | |
| [18:22:00] | laga: | heya xris |
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| [18:22:00] | xris: | morning |
| [18:22:00] | xris: | kormoc and I were too slow to notice that we should check the freenode website before giving up on connecting |
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| [18:24:00] | praet: | those abit boards with a fan onboard start to buzz after a day of use |
| [18:24:00] | mchou: | heh, Frys has the Kworld ATSC-110 tuner on sale for $70 after $30 rebate |
| [18:25:00] | mchou: | I dont think it does QAM though..... |
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| [18:27:00] | Krazylegz: | Whoa, it's mchou. |
| [18:27:00] | mchou: | why, what's up? |
| [18:28:00] | Krazylegz: | Hadn't see you in a while. |
| [18:28:00] | Krazylegz: | *seen |
| [18:30:00] | Zirka (n=Kichigai@c-24-118-232-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) Quit ("Other stuff") | |
| [18:31:00] | mchou: | well, been busy. |
| [18:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Too busy for #mythtv-users? :'( |
| [18:32:00] | mchou: | plus myth has been working so well, I figured it was time to take a break from irc |
| [18:32:00] | mchou: | bigass time sink, irc |
| [18:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Haha. |
| [18:33:00] | mchou: | bah. I think I need an ATSC QAM tuner :) |
| [18:35:00] | Krazylegz: | Buy buy buy:-$ |
| [18:35:00] | Krazylegz: | ! |
| [18:42:00] | ** xris just wants to record straight from satellite.... ** | |
| [18:42:00] | xris: | someday.... |
| [18:42:00] | xris: | I need a new computer and lcd first. |
| [18:42:00] | xris: | and an ergonomic keyboard.. stupid tendonitis |
| [18:43:00] | Beirdo: | GAH |
| [18:43:00] | Beirdo: | I need to get the Merry F'ing Christmas song outta my head |
| [18:44:00] | Beirdo: | outta my head, Mr. Garrison, you bastard! |
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| [18:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | hahahah |
| [18:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | I love that song |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | except it just won't go away |
| [18:48:00] | ** GreyFoxx starts playing it ** | |
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| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | let's drown it out with Van Halen |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | it's hard to believe this is one guitar and one bass |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | but having seen it in concert... it is. |
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| [19:08:00] | ** Beirdo splats his ears ** | |
| [19:08:00] | praet: | are pms disabled? |
| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | nothing quite like Van Halen at nearly full volume. I hope my coworkers are enjoying the stray sound from my headphones :) |
| [19:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | praet: They are unless you have registered and authenticated with nickserv |
| [19:09:00] | praet: | right |
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| [19:29:00] | {alejandro}: | I am having some compile issues on an amd64 ubuntu box |
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| [19:31:00] | {alejandro}: | anyone here? |
| [19:31:00] | laga: | yep |
| [19:31:00] | {alejandro}: | ah |
| [19:31:00] | {alejandro}: | hey... |
| [19:31:00] | {alejandro}: | anyway |
| [19:32:00] | Krazylegz: | laga is here, but he's German. |
| [19:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Sie mussen auf Deutsch sprechen. |
| [19:32:00] | ** laga occupies Krazylegz' house and slaps him silly ** | |
| [19:32:00] | {alejandro}: | Mein Deutsch ist schlecht, aber ich kann das probieren |
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| [19:32:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [19:32:00] | laga: | {alejandro}: are you tring to compile mythtv 0.18.1? |
| [19:33:00] | {alejandro}: | I am building on an amd64 ubuntu box |
| [19:33:00] | {alejandro}: | uh |
| [19:33:00] | {alejandro}: | last stable version |
| [19:33:00] | laga: | on ubuntu breezy? |
| [19:33:00] | {alejandro}: | yeah |
| [19:33:00] | {alejandro}: | that's it |
| [19:33:00] | {alejandro}: | I am hanging up on lines 61 and 65 of common.h |
| [19:33:00] | laga: | breezy ships with gcc 4.x, and mythtv 0.18.1 doesn't get along with it. try the fixes-branch at svn.mythtv.org |
| [19:33:00] | {alejandro}: | ag |
| [19:33:00] | {alejandro}: | ah |
| [19:33:00] | {alejandro}: | ok |
| [19:34:00] | laga: | or just aptitude install mythtv ;) |
| [19:34:00] | {alejandro}: | naw |
| [19:34:00] | {alejandro}: | it ain't workin' |
| [19:34:00] | laga: | k |
| [19:34:00] | {alejandro}: | their package sucks |
| [19:34:00] | {alejandro}: | so I have to build it |
| [19:34:00] | {alejandro}: | which gcc should I use? |
| [19:34:00] | poop: | What are you building? |
| [19:35:00] | {alejandro}: | myth 0.18.1 |
| [19:35:00] | kormoc: | gcc 3.3.x or 3.4.x would be recommended |
| [19:35:00] | poop: | gcc-3.4 should be safe for 0.18.1, but you could also get the fixes branch as laga said |
| [19:35:00] | {alejandro}: | ok |
| [19:36:00] | {alejandro}: | it would be easier from here just to change the config file |
| [19:36:00] | {alejandro}: | thanks |
| [19:36:00] | poop: | zap2it wants me to reschedule |
| [19:37:00] | Beirdo: | so reschedule |
| [19:37:00] | Beirdo: | ingrate :) |
| [19:37:00] | poop: | I'm going to, naturally |
| [19:37:00] | poop: | <-- considerate leech |
| [19:37:00] | Beirdo: | it's not like they haven't asked us to for months :) |
| [19:37:00] | poop: | It's on the renewal form now. |
| [19:37:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:37:00] | dev-: | to change your mythfilldatabase cronjob? |
| [19:38:00] | dev-: | or something else totally unrelated :) heh |
| [19:39:00] | Beirdo: | to run during non-peak hours |
| [19:39:00] | poop: | I don't interact with them in any other way ... |
| [19:39:00] | {alejandro}: | uh wait |
| [19:40:00] | {alejandro}: | I am retarded with subversion and shit |
| [19:40:00] | {alejandro}: | the fixes branch is the whole thing |
| [19:40:00] | {alejandro}: | right |
| [19:40:00] | laga: | yep! |
| [19:40:00] | {alejandro}: | or just a patch |
| [19:40:00] | {alejandro}: | ok |
| [19:40:00] | laga: | just type the svn co thing and you've got a full checkout |
| [19:40:00] | {alejandro}: | rad |
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| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | poop: it's been in their forums for months too |
| [19:43:00] | kormoc: | oddly enough, I changed the time I grabbed from the default when I first installed myth, as I figured it might be a bit busy at the default time |
| [19:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | svn now supports a flag sent by zap2it to tell you when it's ok to next grab the listings. LEts them spread the load |
| [19:44:00] | kormoc: | ooh, that'll be nice |
| [19:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | But it only applies if you have myth auto fun mythfilldb for you. If you are using a cronjob it wont have any effect |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | I'll stick to my cron job |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | I trust cron to never crash |
| [19:45:00] | kormoc: | yeah, but how many people actually use cronjobs compaired to having myth do it? |
| [19:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | *Shrug* |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | my backend process has been known to gack before :) |
| [19:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've never had myth do it |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | me neither |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:45:00] | dev-: | i have mine running at an off time already.. just picked a random number.. figured everyone would just copy and paste the default in heh |
| [19:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | but then I've been using myth since long before that abiity came along |
| [19:45:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, you don't trust your backend to stay up for more then one night every 14 days? |
| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | I trust anacron for cron duties |
| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | it's what it was expressly designed for |
| [19:46:00] | kormoc: | anacron... |
| [19:46:00] | ** kormoc shudders. ** | |
| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | what? works great |
| [19:46:00] | Krazylegz: | Terrible movie. |
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| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | vixie cron works great too |
| [19:46:00] | kormoc: | I had it installed on my server |
| [19:46:00] | kormoc: | anacron works with visie or similar |
| [19:46:00] | kormoc: | anacron remembers when, say a box is powered down and misses the cron time and will run it on power on |
| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | which is great |
| [19:47:00] | kormoc: | I had it on a server of mine that I had powered down for a month or so |
| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | oh god. hehe |
| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | that could make for fun |
| [19:47:00] | kormoc: | it had a cron script to run every night that took say, about 2 hours to run some db stuff... |
| [19:48:00] | kormoc: | so yeah... three days later, the box was ready to be used again |
| [19:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | uhhh that seems kind of stupid |
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| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | you shoulda killed stuff |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | anyways |
| [19:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | I could see MAYBE execute it once |
| [19:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | but even that is gross |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | I was under the impression it would do it ONCE |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | and it's a great thing for use on machines that get turned off a lot |
| [19:49:00] | kormoc: | it launched them all at the same time... now keep in mind, this was awhile ago |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | for a normal server, I use "normal" vixie cron |
| [19:49:00] | kormoc: | and maybe my config was foobared |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | if it's on 24/7, no need for funky rescheduling |
| [19:49:00] | kormoc: | but yeah, the reason why I didn't kill it, it was my friends server, so I powered it on and left for the weekend, so he could get his website up, and welp... it was useless :P |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | next time, ya should write a cronjob with a lockfile |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | so it CAN'T run 40 instances simultaneously |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | "this job is still running, exiting" |
| [19:50:00] | kormoc: | heh, yeah, I've redone how I deal with cronjobs now, so hopefully that can never happen again on one of my boxes. |
| [19:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | or 40 of the same consectutively |
| [19:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'd be burning a crond at the stake if it acted like that hehe, but then that's just me :) |
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| [19:57:00] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, yeah, hence why I avoid it now :) |
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| [19:57:00] | dagfinnr: | hello |
| [19:57:00] | ** GreyFoxx watches the strange look on his coworkers faces as his mp3's goes from Botecelli to Snoop Dogg hehe ** | |
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| [19:58:00] | dagfinnr: | ServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| [19:58:00] | dagfinnr: | Failed to bind port: 6543 |
| [19:58:00] | dagfinnr: | what is wrong here? |
| [19:58:00] | laga: | dagfinnr: there's something already listening there. maybe another instance of mythbackend |
| [19:58:00] | dagfinnr: | i dont think there is any firewall or something running .. |
| [19:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | sounds like mythbackend is alreasdy running and bound to that port |
| [19:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or you specified the wrong IP in mythtv-setup and it can't bind to it |
| [19:59:00] | dagfinnr: | yeah |
| [19:59:00] | dagfinnr: | its running.. |
| [19:59:00] | dagfinnr: | my bad! |
| [20:01:00] | dagfinnr: | 2005-12–17 21:01:57.277 Error, couldn't find any available channels. |
| [20:01:00] | dagfinnr: | 2005-12–17 21:01:57.277 Your database is most likely setup incorrectly. |
| [20:01:00] | dagfinnr: | thats in console when trying watch tv in the mythfrontend |
| [20:01:00] | dagfinnr: | ive configured the channels .. atleast i think ive done it right |
| [20:01:00] | dagfinnr: | is there any way i can check? |
| [20:02:00] | jono: | anyone here run a nova-t dvb card *and* a pvr-(n)50 card? |
| [20:03:00] | xris: | I use air2pc and pvr-150... air2pc uses the dvb drivers |
| [20:03:00] | jono: | which dvb driver? |
| [20:03:00] | jono: | cx88 ? |
| [20:06:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone from norway here using the norway channel settnings? |
| [20:07:00] | dagfinnr: | cant seem to get the setup of channels right :( |
| [20:07:00] | dagfinnr: | i see my channels in the channel editor in the setup..but still get the error in console when running frontend |
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| [20:08:00] | psofa: | is 45mb/s acceptable for a new hd ? |
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| [20:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | *sigh* does anyone happen to know where I can find an archive of redhat 9 packages? I'm being forced to install an app on a rh9 box and the app requires the db2 libraries which are not present on this box |
| [20:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | All I can seem to find are FC packages |
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| [20:13:00] | poop: | Apple sent me the wrong fan assembly. |
| [20:13:00] | poop: | *squeak* |
| [20:13:00] | poop: | Dear squeaky fan, DIEZ |
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| [20:15:00] | dagfinnr: | altho the channels programs shows up in the list (schedule recordings ie), i get errors when trying to watch tv (errors in console from mythfrontend) |
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| [20:16:00] | {alejandro}: | I'm baaaack |
| [20:16:00] | {alejandro}: | hitting a new problem on compile |
| [20:18:00] | dagfinnr: | 2005-12–17 21:17:22.653 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed. Please verify channel "66" in the "setup" Channel Editor. |
| [20:18:00] | dagfinnr: | whats wrong? |
| [20:20:00] | {alejandro}: | oh |
| [20:20:00] | {alejandro}: | uh |
| [20:20:00] | {alejandro}: | ../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.18.1.so: undefined reference to `ScreenSaverX11::ScreenSaverX11()' |
| [20:25:00] | psofa: | what filesystem do you recommend for mythtv storage? |
| [20:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | Most prefer XFS |
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| [20:26:00] | psofa: | is it good as a general purpose fs too? |
| [20:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use it for just about everything on several machines |
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| [20:27:00] | dagfinnr: | greyfoxx: is there any way i can check if my channels settings are working? |
| [20:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well if you can't enter livetv and it spits out an error like that I would suspect that it isn't working :) |
| [20:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | Alas, I'm too busy to do more than just make snarky remarks :) Sorry |
| [20:29:00] | dagfinnr: | well, i can enter livetv..but i get the usual snow thingie..with some weird colors..and its stuck on channel 2..if i try to change ..it just doesent..i get up the epg for channel 2 |
| [20:29:00] | dagfinnr: | hehe |
| [20:30:00] | dagfinnr: | if im in norway and use an antenna,,which channel frequency table should i use? default or europe-west? |
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| [20:40:00] | TylerGalus: | so i can't use reiserfs for my recording? (i'm a gentoo user and i just started reading the official docs) :( |
| [20:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | You can use whatever fs you like |
| [20:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | myth doesn' |
| [20:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | t care |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | just some are less recommended than others |
| [20:41:00] | TylerGalus: | the docs on mythtv.org say... NOTE: You must not use ReiserFS v3 for your recordings. You will get corrupted recordings if you do. |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | so don't use reiserfs v3 |
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| [20:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | TylerGalus: That's not a requirement, just a "expect problems if you do it" |
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| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | reiserfs is a buggy non-tested POS |
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| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | there have always been "issues" with it over the years |
| [20:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've lost entire paritions because it's journal/map got corrupted |
| [20:43:00] | TylerGalus: | ok well i doubt it caused the issue i was having which was that it wouldn't let me save scheduled recordings.. i've removed it all and am starting with the official install instructions instead.. guess i have to figure out how to move all the stuff off my /home partition to remake it xfs |
| [20:45:00] | Esotericisms: | is everyone elses mythweb extremely slow? like listing and recorded_programs takes like up to 10–20 seconds to load? |
| [20:46:00] | xris: | listings page is always slow for large lists |
| [20:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Esotericisms: It could be generating the pixmap screenshots |
| [20:46:00] | xris: | recorded page shouldn't be that bad, but can be if you have a lot of recordings, esp if pixmaps don't exist yet. |
| [20:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | My listings page takes a long time as my browser has to parse the miriad of tables and it's a slow machine I'm on |
| [20:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | but my faster machines load it pretty quick |
| [20:47:00] | Esotericisms: | well even the schedule listing takes forever, I am am trying to figure out if it is mysql, apache, or mythweb in general related |
| [20:49:00] | {alejandro}: | oy vey |
| [20:49:00] | kormoc: | overall it's slow for me too, but I figure it's a mysql on a slow server issue |
| [20:49:00] | {alejandro}: | I am trying to compile myth |
| [20:49:00] | {alejandro}: | for breezy amd64 |
| [20:49:00] | {alejandro}: | 0.18.2 |
| [20:49:00] | {alejandro}: | and I am hanging up here |
| [20:50:00] | {alejandro}: | ../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.18.1.so: undefined reference to `ScreenSaverX11::ScreenSaverX11()' |
| [20:51:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, evendently the Ati X1800 with Catalyst 5.13 (windows) has hooks to allow hardware transcoding of video. |
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| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, not surprised |
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| [20:56:00] | {alejandro}: | so, uh |
| [20:56:00] | {alejandro}: | anyone here able to help with the compile problems |
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| [20:59:00] | {alejandro}: | well this is encouraging |
| [21:00:00] | kormoc: | welp, you might want to look into what package might have that function, try google. |
| [21:01:00] | {alejandro}: | eh? |
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| [21:01:00] | kormoc: | welp, it can't find ScreenSaverX11::ScreenSaverX11(), so it's in a package you don't have installed, so why don't you try to figure out which package it is? |
| [21:02:00] | {alejandro}: | ah |
| [21:02:00] | {alejandro}: | I am using ubuntu... it should have xscreensaver |
| [21:02:00] | {alejandro}: | I don't know c++ |
| [21:02:00] | {alejandro}: | should I change that to xscreensaver? |
| [21:02:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [21:02:00] | kormoc: | but does it have the development headers for xscreensaver? |
| [21:03:00] | poser: | does anyone know if any problems come up when I upgrade from fc2 to fc4? last time I did it.. half the packages weren't available |
| [21:03:00] | {alejandro}: | H |
| [21:03:00] | {alejandro}: | aha |
| [21:03:00] | {alejandro}: | ok |
| [21:04:00] | {alejandro}: | so I need the development headers for xscreensaver |
| [21:04:00] | kormoc: | xris hosed a fc3 install by updating to fc4 I beleive... or was it a fc2 to fc3. |
| [21:05:00] | poser: | so I guess I should backup my database |
| [21:06:00] | xris: | running the upgrade is always worse than backing up, doing a clean install and then restoring configs from backup |
| [21:07:00] | poser: | when I do that.. should I backup /etc dir and anything else that is important like home directory? |
| [21:07:00] | xris: | poser: backup /home, /etc, /var/lib/mysql and anything else you feel necessary (personally, I just `mkdir /old; mv /* /old` before the install |
| [21:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | {alejandro}: No, you shouldn't need that. the ScreenSaverX11 class is part of the myth source |
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| [21:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | You've got some weird conflicting library stuff going on.......... trying to install a manually compiled myth overtop of a package ? |
| [21:08:00] | {alejandro}: | there's no package at all |
| [21:08:00] | {alejandro}: | just a manual compile |
| [21:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | So there has never been an install of myth on there before? |
| [21:09:00] | {alejandro}: | oh wait no |
| [21:09:00] | {alejandro}: | woops |
| [21:09:00] | {alejandro}: | there are a few packages I left on there trying to isntall it from apt |
| [21:09:00] | poser: | xris: that work? like when I install using fc installer.. does it format hd? |
| [21:09:00] | xris: | poser: only if you tell it to |
| [21:09:00] | poser: | isn't it optionaly |
| [21:09:00] | poser: | yeah |
| [21:09:00] | xris: | just select "manually partition" and it lets you do whatever |
| [21:09:00] | ** GreyFoxx heads out to pick up his little one ** | |
| [21:09:00] | xris: | I usually format /boot and swap, and leave / as it is |
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| [21:10:00] | xris: | (ubuntu, on the other hand, seems to format RAID partitions no matter what it says it's going to do) |
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| [21:10:00] | poser: | theres the problem. I only have a / and /home and swap partitons |
| [21:10:00] | poser: | oh and a /video |
| [21:11:00] | poser: | got a good idea on what to do thanks |
| [21:11:00] | poser: | fc still the popular distro for mythtv? |
| [21:12:00] | rjune: | it is a popular distro. dunno if its the popular distro |
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| [21:55:00] | poop: | These anti-evolution nuts should be cut off from the benefits of the theory. |
| [21:55:00] | poop: | woops |
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| [21:56:00] | dagfinnr: | hello again |
| [21:56:00] | dagfinnr: | is there any way to search for the channels, like in windows? tune for channels? |
| [21:58:00] | poop: | I think svn will search in mythtv-setup (if you can't get programming info) |
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| [22:02:00] | dagfinnr: | whats svn poop? |
| [22:03:00] | kvandivo: | any thoughts, pro or con, on using the Roku HD1000/mythroku as a frontend? |
| [22:04:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone from norway here? |
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| [22:08:00] | poop: | dagfinnr: development code |
| [22:08:00] | poop: | Generally speaking, you don't want it. |
| [22:08:00] | dagfinnr: | :) |
| [22:09:00] | dagfinnr: | argh |
| [22:09:00] | dagfinnr: | 2005-12–17 23:10:42.586 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed. Please verify channel "3" in the "setup" Channel Editor. |
| [22:09:00] | dagfinnr: | i get this when running the backend |
| [22:09:00] | dagfinnr: | whats wrong ? |
| [22:11:00] | poop: | Did you run mythfilldatabase? |
| [22:15:00] | dagfinnr: | yeah |
| [22:16:00] | dagfinnr: | but i dunno if the channel frequency\s are correct |
| [22:16:00] | dagfinnr: | how can i veryfi that? |
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| [22:16:00] | dagfinnr: | they could not be the same for the whole west-europe? and the xmltv doesent know the frequensies? |
| [22:17:00] | ** dagfinnr = confused ** | |
| [22:17:00] | Mulvane: | Anyone know how to fix mythtv and mysql5? |
| [22:17:00] | Mulvane: | I've found a couple of 'fixes' that don't fix anything |
| [22:29:00] | dagfinnr: | strange,..seems that its just not working *mad* |
| [22:31:00] | NightMonkey: | Mulvane: Suggestion: don't run MySQL 5 with Myth. Problem solved. :D |
| [22:31:00] | dagfinnr: | lol |
| [22:32:00] | dagfinnr: | so everyone here got the channels working without adjusting the freq, just choose what channels they want? |
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| [22:42:00] | Mulvane: | NightMonkey Wish it was that simple.. |
| [22:44:00] | kormoc: | Mulvane, what's the issues you have? |
| [22:45:00] | dagfinnr: | now i've looked through the howto's..and i cant find anywhere where hhey're talking about channel frequency..is because i dont live in the us im experiencing all my problems? |
| [22:45:00] | kormoc: | there are a lot of folks who live outside of the us that have myth running fine. |
| [22:46:00] | Mulvane: | kormoc I can't fill my database.. |
| [22:46:00] | kormoc: | Mulvane, what's the error you are getting? |
| [22:47:00] | Mulvane: | I'm doing a reinstall now..Gonna be a few.. |
| [22:47:00] | dagfinnr: | kormoc, yeah..that was what i thought too ... but isnt there anywhere i can tune for channels? except the xmltv stuff? |
| [22:48:00] | kormoc: | donno. You're gonna have to ask someone who uses xmltv or similar |
| [22:48:00] | kormoc: | Mulvane, that's not really gonna help much with mysql errors... |
| [22:49:00] | NightMonkey: | Mulvane: Why are you forced to run MySQL 5? |
| [22:49:00] | Mulvane: | Oh..I know..Doing it for other reasons.. |
| [22:49:00] | Mulvane: | NightMonkey I run a central mysql server for my lan..Which happens to be 5 now |
| [22:49:00] | dagfinnr: | kormoc, what do you use to configure / get the program info? |
| [22:50:00] | NightMonkey: | Mulvane: OK. But is there a specific application that you use that requires it? Why not just install a local MySQL instance on your myth box? |
| [22:50:00] | kormoc: | dagfinnr, I use xap2it, which sadly is us only right now. |
| [22:50:00] | NightMonkey: | (A MySQL 4.X instance, that is) |
| [22:51:00] | dagfinnr: | ah |
| [22:51:00] | Mulvane: | NightMonkey I'm looking that direction..I would prefer a 5.x fix though.. |
| [22:52:00] | NightMonkey: | Mulvane: Maybe SVN Myth supports 5.X. I run 0.18.1, and I don't think it will run with MySQL versions >= 5. |
| [22:53:00] | Mulvane: | Actually, I may have just found the fix |
| [22:53:00] | Mulvane: | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-393803-h . . . -mythtv.html |
| [22:54:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone who's not in the us here? |
| [22:54:00] | Mulvane: | I won't be in a month |
| [22:54:00] | NightMonkey: | Mulvane: There you go. Love the Gentoo Forums. |
| [22:55:00] | Mulvane: | For that matter, I want be in any county in a month |
| [22:55:00] | Mulvane: | country even |
| [22:55:00] | dagfinnr: | hm |
| [22:55:00] | kormoc: | Mulvane, I was thinking that was the issue, but you said you tried other fixes, and that's the only issue there has been with mysql 5+ and myth. |
| [22:55:00] | dagfinnr: | if you come to norway, you could help me with my channel problem Mulvane :P |
| [22:58:00] | Mulvane: | dagfinnr Been to Norway.. Tromzo is a horridly cold town in November I might add |
| [23:00:00] | TylerGalus: | interesting.. could my problem of not being able to set up scheduled recordings be because i didn't have xmltv installed? |
| [23:01:00] | dagfinnr: | TylerGalus, well, if it isnt installed i guess you shouldnt be able to get the program information? |
| [23:01:00] | TylerGalus: | i did have listings in the program guide |
| [23:02:00] | TylerGalus: | so i could go through the steps of scheduling a recording but it wouldn't save |
| [23:03:00] | dagfinnr: | have you configured the buffer and the recordings dirs right? |
| [23:04:00] | dagfinnr: | in mythtv-setup |
| [23:04:00] | dagfinnr: | and the right permissions on the dirs |
| [23:04:00] | kormoc: | TylerGalus, you shouldn't need xmltv unless you are outside of the us I beleive |
| [23:04:00] | Mulvane: | love myth.. got a wonderful setup using mysql4, but I am upgrading the box, and the setup.. |
| [23:05:00] | Mulvane: | Old box has 6 hauppauge 250's.. |
| [23:05:00] | Mulvane: | New box has 6 550's |
| [23:05:00] | kormoc: | insane, why so many tuners? |
| [23:05:00] | TylerGalus: | afaik yes.. i am reinstalling it right now.. i had given the recording directory 0777 permissions.. that is the same as the store directory yes? (probaby should've used the official install doc instead of the gentoo one) |
| [23:05:00] | NightMonkey: | Mulvane: Are you that guy in West Virginia with 22 sat dishes on his roof? ;) |
| [23:06:00] | Mulvane: | Well, I have 5 TV's plus a spare.. |
| [23:06:00] | Mulvane: | Now I can watch 5 stations and have PIP on all of them of a diff channel :-) |
| [23:06:00] | TylerGalus: | lol |
| [23:06:00] | kormoc: | TylerGalus, my /mnt/tv is owned by mythtv, so it only needs owner r+W |
| [23:06:00] | Mulvane: | Plus, I have a thing going on when I go out to sea.. |
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| [23:07:00] | kormoc: | talk about sensor overload... |
| [23:07:00] | kormoc: | 12 channels at once... |
| [23:07:00] | TylerGalus: | see that's the other thing i was asking earlier.. i had no mythtv user or group... like i said i believe the gentoo-wiki howto to be lacking |
| [23:07:00] | Mulvane: | I can record 12 shows at once now, encode to vcd, have wife burn to dvd, mail them, and sell them to those who just can't live without there shows |
| [23:07:00] | NightMonkey: | Whoah |
| [23:07:00] | Mulvane: | I can also download some of them for a higher price for quicker viewing |
| [23:07:00] | kormoc: | TylerGalus, check to see what user mythbackend is running is |
| [23:08:00] | NightMonkey: | Mulvane: Don't talk about that here. The selling part. |
| [23:09:00] | TylerGalus: | well i removed mythtv and am re-installing from scratch following the docs on the myth site.. so i'm still in emerge hell right now ;) hopefully i'll find stuff the other guide missed |
| [23:09:00] | Mulvane: | Ah..Well, its more a service charge for labor and parts.. |
| [23:09:00] | NightMonkey: | Mulvane: This channel is logged. |
| [23:10:00] | kormoc: | TylerGalus, what other parts? (and emerge hell? what issues are you having?) |
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| [23:10:00] | Mulvane: | Going underway and this way, me and those in the know can still get all those tv shows we normally wouldn't get.. |
| [23:10:00] | Mulvane: | 6 months in the gulf sucks enough.. |
| [23:11:00] | kormoc: | I donno... I wouldn't mind spending 6 months in warm weather and sunny skys... |
| [23:11:00] | mchou: | this is bullshit! |
| [23:11:00] | Mulvane: | kormoc Well, there is the part of a large metal naval vessel that makes that not as fun as it sounds |
| [23:13:00] | danieldk: | for those who care: minimyth-gar has bee compiling for 10 straight hours now... |
| [23:13:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [23:13:00] | kormoc: | minimyth-gar? |
| [23:13:00] | kormoc: | Mulvane, I donno... Those uhh... seagulls can be quite... seagullish... |
| [23:13:00] | danieldk: | yeah i'm trying to build minimyth from gar |
| [23:13:00] | NightMonkey: | Myth, but a Myth that goes "GAR!"? |
| [23:13:00] | TylerGalus: | kormoc, just meant i was emerging myth right now (ie waiting for it to compile) and i figured i missed stuff following the wiki'd HOWTO since everything didn't work |
| [23:14:00] | danieldk: | but my trusty dual p3–800 is making slow progress.... |
| [23:14:00] | kormoc: | danieldk, ahh, you're compiling the entire distro... no wonder it's taking so long |
| [23:14:00] | kormoc: | TylerGalus, it should be super painless on gentoo |
| [23:15:00] | danieldk: | kormoc: yeah... |
| [23:16:00] | TylerGalus: | well i had gotten it to the point of being able to watch channel 3.. (hadn't set up a remote to change channels yet) and when i went looking in the real docs for a way to change to another channel i saw mention of a mythtv user in the setup so i figured something was wrong in my setup |
| [23:17:00] | kormoc: | ahh, on gentoo that's not the case |
| [23:17:00] | TylerGalus: | oh? |
| [23:18:00] | kormoc: | my mythbackend runs as root |
| [23:18:00] | Mulvane: | On a closed network, it really doesn't matter what user it is.. |
| [23:18:00] | Mulvane: | At least until they find a way to run remote code thru tv |
| [23:18:00] | kormoc: | as for changing of channels, typing the number will change it. |
| [23:18:00] | TylerGalus: | hmm that wasn't working either.. |
| [23:19:00] | TylerGalus: | i'll have to see when the emerge is done whether i run into the same problems again |
| [23:19:00] | kormoc: | Mulvane, mythbackend is a server, a carefully crafted attack on a buffer overflow would do the same as if it was on apache or any other server, hance why most distros use the mythtv user. it is a security risk as great as running anything else as root. |
| [23:20:00] | Mulvane: | kormoc I know this..But are you using mythbackend to server frontends outside your closed network? |
| [23:20:00] | TylerGalus: | hehe they'll have to get past my firewall first |
| [23:21:00] | kormoc: | Mulvane, my mythweb can be viewed from outside the network, and it could allow people outside the network to break into the machine. It is a possability. |
| [23:22:00] | kormoc: | is it likely? not at all. Is it worth the few minutes of time to set up so myth can't do much to hurt even if the unlikely happens? most distros seem to think so. |
| [23:22:00] | ** kormoc shrugs. ** | |
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| [23:50:00] | Ediehow: | hi, i have poor multitasking performance when playing video with mythtv |
| [23:50:00] | Ediehow: | when i start multitasking, the video stutters and pauses |
| [23:53:00] | ** MrSpiffy is not surprised ** | |
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| [23:56:00] | Ediehow: | what would cause? |
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| [23:58:00] | MrSpiffy: | er, multitasking |
| [23:58:00] | MrSpiffy: | you can try enabling realtime priority threads in setup |
| [23:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ediehow: What kind of processor ? |
| [23:59:00] | MrSpiffy: | and/or knocking down the resolution |
| [23:59:00] | Ediehow: | 2ghz athlon |
| [23:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | hdtv or standard definition ? |
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