Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, December 11th, 2005, 00:00 UTC

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** Mersault yawns **

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Mersault:

that was a nice nap.

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Mersault:

anyone around to help me figure out why mythtv isn't compiling for me?

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eskil:

Mersault, maybe...

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eskil:

Mersault, want to post the error on pastebin ?

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Mersault:

http://pastebin.ca/33240 is the body of the issue

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Mersault:

and I'll gladly answer any questions about my build environment

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Mersault:

I'm using a script to build the package, it's part of my distro's package system. kind of like an emerge file for gentoo

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Mersault:

or whatever they're called in gentoo

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Hoxzer_:

Hurry hurry step right on in

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jonK:

well for starters, i dont think you have the qt development headers/libraries installed

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Mersault:

they're in /usr/include/qt

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jonK:

have you tried just building from regular source?

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eskil:

Mersault, you may have them in /usr/include/qt, but there's no -I/usr/include/qt being passed to g++.

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Mersault:

so, would I pass that on the command line or edit the Makefile?

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eskil:

Mersault, configure should've added it to the makefile

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eskil:

Mersault, did you run configure, qmake and all that ?

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Mersault:

yup

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eskil:

oh yeah, it's in the paste... doh

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

is it possible to run 2 frontends on one computer?

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Mersault:

http://pastebin.ca/33252 is the script

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Krazylegz:

Ginsu_Squirrel: Sure, but you may need different users, and you will for sure want different X displays.

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

yeah, thats what i was thinkin, thanks

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Mersault:

eskil the original script was for 0.17, so some of the earlier commands might not be necessary

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

can a 3ghz celeron handle something like that?

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

the backend would also be running on that box

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Krazylegz:

Hmm.

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Krazylegz:

I wouldn't know. :-(

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Mersault:

but I've tried it without the script, and just following what it says in the mythtv install guide

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Mersault:

same problem

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eskil:

well, you can go and manually add -I/usr/include/qt3 all over the place, but that's a bit of a pain.

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Mersault:

right. is there *one* place I can add it that it'll work?

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Mersault:

on the command line is fine, since I can just add it in the script and forget about it

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Mersault:

although, I'd like a more elegant solution

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eskil:

well, you could change the buildscript, so that it inserts it for CXXFLAGS and CFLAGS for all makefiles.

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Mersault:

mmm

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Mersault:

I guess I'll have to do this for mythplugins and myththemes as well

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eskil:

Mersault, when you said you tried without the script, did you try it on a clean tree ? or had the script already been run ? (since it does a bunch of substitures on the .pro files)

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Mersault:

clean tree

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Mersault:

each time the script gets run it's a clean tree as well

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Mersault:

what if I just export CFLAGS to include -I/usr/include/qt before running ./configure

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Mersault:

is that all this will take?

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Mersault:

to fix it that is

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eskil:

Mersault, might be, but set both CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS (hell, do CPPFLAGS as well, just to be sure)

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simcop2387:

it might fix it

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Mersault:

well, the script is running, with CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS.

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Mersault:

so we'll see how it goes

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Mersault:

I'll let you guys know in a few minutes when it finishes

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Mersault:

in the mean time. I need to make a trip to the beer fridge

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Mersault:

well, it's a different error this time

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Mersault:

'/bin/sh: line 0: cd: /usr/lib/qt/src/moc: No such file or directory

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eskil:

pastebin...

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Mersault:

which moc tells me it's in /usr/bin

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eskil:

your system is strange

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Mersault:

yeah, somewhat

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Mersault:

it doesn't follow redhat or debiens ideals, that's for sure

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eskil:

Don't know what to say, if a fresh untar + build doesn't work, there's something off with your distro.

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Mersault:

it's not that it's off... it's just got a different... philosophy

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Mersault:

anyway, usually it's not a problem. really, it's not.

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Mersault:

but most software doesn't hardcode locations for this very reason'

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Mersault:

anyway... how can I tell mythtv where to find moc?

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** Mersault is using this distro for it's very small footprint. and very few services running. it's only a couple of steps removed from LSF **

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eskil:

Mersault, what about other qt3 programs ? do they compile ?

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Mersault:

eskil yup

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eskil:

Mersault, if so, you might want to look at what's the difference.

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eskil:

Mersault, or try and pass MOC=/usr/bin/moc along with CXXFLAGS and all that.

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Mersault:

I'll let you know

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tanq:

and now i almost have my remote working

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eskil:

Mersault, gotta jet, coffeeshop closing...

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fryfrog:

does anyone know why I would get buzzing through my tv speakers when i hook up the audio cable *and* video?

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fryfrog:

ifi unhook audio, of course buzzing stops

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fryfrog:

but if i also unhook video... it stops too

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djperegrine:

damn

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djperegrine:

all the tickets are being closed up

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djperegrine:

.19 is almost here :O

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

.19... would that be what the current svn head is?

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

or is that a brnach?

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djperegrine:

I dunno

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djperegrine:

just alot of stuff is getting done :O

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jonK:

and will .19 use the new UI?

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

ROFL

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djperegrine:

it says .20 for that :O

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Klatuu:

now to see if my modified mythtv lircrc will work with my firefly

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cwsmith:

so anyone have problems with myth video (watching videos) and having the remote working ?

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

well mythvideo uses mplayer/xine

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AndyCap:

cwsmith: unless you set up mplayer/xine in lircrc I don't think it will work

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

does myth stop listening on lirc when it doesnt have focus?

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cwsmith:

ok so any good place on how to set it up (it works for myth fine )

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

cwsmith: you need to make an lircrc for what3ever progrma you need the same way you did it for myth

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cwsmith:

but once i start avi mpg or something i have to hit escape to exit vid then remote works again

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cwsmith:

aww ok

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cwsmith:

that hepls

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cwsmith:

helps

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cwsmith:

where config go ?

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cwsmith:

for mplayer

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

the mplayer docs talk about how to do it

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cwsmith:

ok cool thanks

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Klatuu:

grrr

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Klatuu:

so close yet so far

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tweak_st:

can you watch and record a show at the same time with pvr-500?

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eidolon:

happiness is sitting around the Myth box with the family playing old Nintendo games.

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tanq:

arg

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tanq:

ok i need a quick fix to this remote

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Klatuu:

happiness is having a working mythtv box

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tanq:

i'm gettting errors on make

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tanq:

for lircd

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tanq:

s/d//

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dev-:

errors suck!

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tanq:

something about I2C_ALGO_BIT being used for the first time

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dev-:

have i2c bitbanging support compiled in your kernel?

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eidolon:

Klatuu: and i am happy :)

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** Klatuu only uses lirc CVS **

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tanq:

dev-: yeah

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** Klatuu is close to having a working mythtv box **

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** dev- has working multiple frontends and backends ;p **

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** dev- is yippy for himself **

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Klatuu:

my channel numbers are all fucked up though

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eidolon:

i had problems with lirc + the hauppage remote, and i've switched to just using the joystickmenu stuff.

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eidolon:

since i play games on it all the time, why not just use the joystick? :)

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dev-:

i use the hauppage remotes on 2 frontends, works fine

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** Klatuu is waiting for the price to plummet on old xbox hardware **

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Klatuu:

then I will have multiple front ends

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Klatuu:

all tied to over a terabyte for TV storage

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dev-:

but will you gain clue in the process? :)

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Klatuu:

I have plenty of clue

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eidolon:

heh. with the new drie, i'll be at around 700gig for storage. not a terabyte :)

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eidolon:

wow. i wonder how legal romnation.net is.

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Klatuu:

frys has a terabyte NAS for $699

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eidolon:

they seem to have a heck of a lot of stuff.

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eidolon:

Klatuu: hah.

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Klatuu:

it is tempting

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eidolon:

i did the woot thing and i have 2 250gig drives for $50 each.

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Klatuu:

refurbs though

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eidolon:

yeah, but still warranteed.

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eidolon:

and heck, $50. get a handful of 'em :)

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eidolon:

i'm still only on one box though. mfe and mbe are on the same hardware.

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Klatuu:

I need a more than 2 port SATA card that works with linux

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Klatuu:

IDE sucks for lots of disks

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dev-:

thats why i have 4 tuners split in half on 2 backends

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dev-:

each have 300gig

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eidolon:

dev-: i bow to your greater geekpile.

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Klatuu:

my terabyte is on a different server and is for the final resting place of shows I download

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Klatuu:

and maybe record

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dev-:

been useing myth for a while :P its addictive. yo ustart with one box, then you wind up with boxes all over the place

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Klatuu:

if I can get myth recording again

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eidolon:

i'm not that invested into the hardware yet. i have a functional, working, useable box now. (thanks to knoppmyth for the most part). my total cash outlay has been < $300 probably. mostly cuz i'm using 'recycled' hardware here at home.

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dev-:

my laptop is a mythfrontend as well, so i can watch tv on the shitter, in the kitchen, in the garage while im working on the car, wherever the 802.11g will reach heh

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crouton:

hell, if i can just get mythtv working again... swapping nvidia for ati is a huge pita

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Klatuu:

ati and linux don't mix

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eidolon:

crouton: why bother?

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crouton:

no kidding

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crouton:

eidolon: cause i don't want to have to go buy a nvidia card

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dev-:

ati works fine for myth

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crouton:

but its so much hassle....

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dev-:

but getting 3d and the like working isnt too much fun..

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eidolon:

nvidia cards are -dirt- cheap.

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dev-:

one of my frontends has an ati card in it

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eidolon:

MX4000 card will run you $30.

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eidolon:

0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2)

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eidolon:

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eidolon:

:) :)

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eidolon:

(i know that's not an mx4000

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Klatuu:

sounds like an embedded video card

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Klatuu:

bleah

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eidolon:

it isn't.

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crouton:

yeah, i had a 4400 that died

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eidolon:

it's an installed card.

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Klatuu:

I have a FX5200 in my frontend

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crouton:

hmm... just need a nvidia with svideo out.... $30 ain't too bad versus the hassle of ATI...

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dev-:

dude just install the fglrx driver and you'll be golden

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dev-:

0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 NE [Radeon 9500 Pro] (prog-if 00 [VGA])

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dev-:

works fine..

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eidolon:

crouton: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150055

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dev-:

only ones you're going to have a problem on is radeon mobile

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Klatuu:

I need to boot into windows

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Klatuu:

bleah

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eidolon:

you mean like: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250 Lf [Radeon Mobility 9000 M9] (rev 02)

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eidolon:

? :)

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eidolon:

(my laptop)

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dev-:

its doable, but its not fun

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crouton:

dev-: I have, but it keeps freezing.

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crouton:

I'm not sure I want to go through the hassle of grabbing the latest driver off of ati.com

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tanq:

does the wintv pvr x50 remote use lirc_2c ?

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tanq:

lirc_i2c

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crouton:

le sigh

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crouton:

think so, tanq

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crouton:

you can check the docs on the MythTV site, pretty sure they mention which module those remotes use

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tanq:

whatelse can i try aside from lirc that will work with myth

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Klatuu:

why would channum and freqid not be the same in my channel listings?

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crouton:

don't know, sorry

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Klatuu:

they are way off

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Klatuu:

no channum higher than 10

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tanq:

You will have to use the lirc_i2c kernel module.

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tanq:

does that mean i need a kernel recompile?

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crouton:

if you don't have it as a module in the kernel, possibly

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tanq:

what is the exact value when i'm looking at make menuconfig

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crouton:

i think it's under device drivers/ i2c

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tanq:

hmm. dont think so..

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crouton:

definitely under device drivers, towards the bottom.. maybe?

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tanq:

is it going to say lirc?

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Klatuu:

hrmm

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Klatuu:

that is interesting

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Klatuu:

channum is only VARCHAR 1

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tanq:

crouton: any other ideas

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crouton:

nope, sorry tanq

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crouton:

keep asking, somebody here has to know enough to help you out more

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tanq:

heh

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tanq:

well i found the irda stuff it's under networking

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crouton:

irda?

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Klatuu:

irda does not work as a remote control

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Klatuu:

ignore it in regards to lirc

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Klatuu:

there is no more lirc support in the kernel

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tanq:

ok so what is this error i am getting when compiling against 2.6.14 about having to use the lirc_i2c kernel module

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Klatuu:

are you compiling lirc from a package or CVS

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Klatuu:

the packages are kinda stale the last time I checked

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tanq:

i tried to emerge it first that failed and then i tried to compile from the 0.7.2 tarball

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Klatuu:

lirc_i2c module

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Klatuu:

oh

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Klatuu:

use the CVS stuff

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Klatuu:

the stuff in portage is flaky

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Goose-Npa:

with the hauppage pvr anyonw know anyway i can braodcast live video ovr the internet from my camcorder

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emes:

i have a pvr-250 (records mpeg2), the settings for how to transcode it after recording would be under recording profiles, transcoders, from mpeg2, correct?

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Klatuu:

yay

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Klatuu:

I fixed my database

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tanq:

yay

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tanq:

now to see if it will load

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Klatuu:

channum is now VARCHAR 4

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tanq:

how come irw doesnt really do anything

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tanq:

i mean.. like i exec it but then i get a prompt right away

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tanq:

crap

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tanq:

now my tuner card doesnt work..

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djperegrine:

weak :(

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tanq:

i had my tuner card working, remote wasnt.. now my remote works and my tuner card doesnt

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** tanq sighs **

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tanq:

ioctl: VIDEO_STATUS = Bad

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tanq:

got that from ivtvctl -I

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systemofadown:

does mysql 5.0 work with mythtv?

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poop:

This bt878 module seems to be preventing the bttv sound modules from working.

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poop:

looks like DVB stuff

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poop:

Hmm. It's even blacklisted.

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GreyFoxx:

systemofadown: Only with svn, not with 0.18 release

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systemofadown:

ok anyone have any gentoo ebuild for the svn?

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systemofadown:

ok is there a cvs tree still right?

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Krazylegz:

SVN.

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crouton:

i love subversion.. mostly

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GreyFoxx:

stopped using cvs long time ago now. It's all moved to svn

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Bonkers:

anyone know why things like space being sent to mythtv works by irxevent, but a-z and 0–9 don't?

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loopdee:

how do i tell the bttv to use what card and what tuner during boot, instead of have to manually rmmod and modprobe after boot?

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Gumby:

crouton: lol @ mostly

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crouton:

so true though

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kartom:

totally unrelated, but is there anyone with BTbroadband having difficulty browsing?

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** kartom mumbles as he cusses btbroadbands service lately **

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crouton:

UK? not i, over in the states here

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kartom:

i thought it was a long shot to find someone awake at this time in the UK.. hehe

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crouton:

5am-ish over there, eh?

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kartom:

yup

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Krazylegz:

Yowza.

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crouton:

rather

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kartom:

lol

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kartom:

hey ... the works gotta be done

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crouton:

haha, what works?

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kartom:

work's even

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Goshen:

Stepmania needs to be added to the games area :)

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Goshen:

its an open source dance game like DDR

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djperegrine:

eh

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djperegrine:

its not that fun using the keyboard

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Krazylegz:

Use the remote?

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crouton:

ahaha

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crouton:

now *that's* a workout

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Krazylegz:

Dual remotes.

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Cardoe:

I should have bought either an ATI card or Nvidia card today at work

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Krazylegz:

You've been at work today?

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Krazylegz:

Guess it wasn't a full shift.

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Goshen:

djperegrine: use dance mats attached to your front end?

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djperegrine:

lol

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Cardoe:

Krazylegz: it's 1am

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Cardoe:

Krazylegz: I'm a college student

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Cardoe:

I work at Best Buy

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crouton:

i'm sorry

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Cardoe:

crouton: why?

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crouton:

i've been disappointed repeatedly by bestbuy

[06:08:00]

Cardoe:

they're better then Circuit City or one of the many other crappy electronics retailers IMHO

[06:08:00]

crouton:

selection, maybe. not service.

[06:08:00]

Cardoe:

that's based on before I started working there.

[06:09:00]

Cardoe:

actually, I'd say the other way around

[06:09:00]

Cardoe:

maybe the one by you is just crappy.

[06:09:00]

crouton:

all the ones by me are crappy. :)

[06:09:00]

Cardoe:

Most of the people I work with like our jobs.

[06:09:00]

Cardoe:

And we like who we work with

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Cardoe:

and we're nerdy about our departments even out of work

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Cardoe:

And we just got a $200 bonus on our paychecks cause we had one of the highest customer service scores in the company

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crouton:

congrats then

[06:11:00]

Cardoe:

biggest percentage of customers marking the "5" box or whatever the highest box is.

[06:11:00]

** Cardoe shrugs. **

[06:11:00]

Cardoe:

Not like I really care.

[06:11:00]

Cardoe:

but the extra pay is nice.

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Cardoe:

I think another reason why our store does so good is cause of the town

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Cardoe:

we're in a town where the whole big thing is the college

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Cardoe:

and surrounding counties come here

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Cardoe:

So we have a large coverage area

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crouton:

ah

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Cardoe:

with a lot of potential workers

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Cardoe:

50,000 students

[06:12:00]

Cardoe:

so that means crappy pay and crappy treatment of employees if you're a college student laborer

[06:12:00]

Cardoe:

Any job on campus is automatic minimum wage

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Cardoe:

if you're a student

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Cardoe:

TAs make 30 cents more

[06:13:00]

Cardoe:

which is unheard of at other schools

[06:13:00]

Cardoe:

after 12 months you get a 3% raise

[06:13:00]

Cardoe:

Go to any place to work you're talking 50 cents to a dollar above minimum wage

[06:14:00]

Cardoe:

and most places you can just feel that everyone hates their job.

[06:14:00]

crouton:

indeed.

[06:14:00]

Cardoe:

because we really do

[06:14:00]

Cardoe:

because people get fired for stupid reasons

[06:14:00]

Cardoe:

because every place there's tons of people applying

[06:14:00]

Cardoe:

my last job before this... they had automatic "pay raises" every 9 months

[06:15:00]

Cardoe:

but every employee that wasn't management was fired for some reason or another before their 9 month period

[06:16:00]

Cardoe:

my girlfriend got fired from her waitressing job because she said for scheduling she was unavailable 2 nights that week

[06:16:00]

Cardoe:

Friday night and Saturday night. one for a test and 1 for her 21st birthday

[06:16:00]

Cardoe:

she was fired for being unreliable

[06:16:00]

Cardoe:

It's really sick

[06:16:00]

crouton:

waitressing is rough, high turnover

[06:16:00]

Cardoe:

No one understands the "non-skilled" college/high school student job market in town

[06:17:00]

Cardoe:

Everyone I know has been fired from at least 1 job.

[06:17:00]

Cardoe:

I'm one of the few that hasn't

[06:17:00]

Cardoe:

But Best Buy is like the holy grail of jobs.

[06:17:00]

crouton:

i'm on my 4th since college graduation. but the pay has increased each time, and i'm finally permanent...

[06:17:00]

Cardoe:

Took me almost 4 years to get a job there

[06:17:00]

Cardoe:

But it's seriously worth it.

[06:17:00]

Cardoe:

They work around my schedule really well.

[06:18:00]

Cardoe:

They actually take care of the employees

[06:18:00]

Cardoe:

And I get paid pretty damn well

[06:18:00]

Cardoe:

for a college job at least.

[06:18:00]

Cardoe:

doesn't match the jobs I have when I go home

[06:19:00]

Cardoe:

Like working for BellSouth DSL tech support

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crouton:

ugh

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Cardoe:

heh

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Cardoe:

I hate BellSouth

[06:19:00]

Cardoe:

But they pay me $22 an hour

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Cardoe:

to call people back who the level 1 techs couldn't fix.

[06:19:00]

crouton:

ah, level2?

[06:19:00]

Cardoe:

yeah

[06:19:00]

crouton:

not bad

[06:20:00]

Cardoe:

1st summer I worked there

[06:20:00]

Cardoe:

it was "8 weeks" of training

[06:20:00]

Cardoe:

but really a week or two and then you listened to someone answer a call... then took one yourself.

[06:20:00]

Cardoe:

but had someone next to you

[06:20:00]

Cardoe:

For like a week

[06:20:00]

Cardoe:

then you were on your own

[06:20:00]

Cardoe:

but if you screwed up you were still a trainee for like 4 weeks

[06:20:00]

Cardoe:

so you didn't get yelled at too bad.

[06:21:00]

Cardoe:

but after the 4 weeks... you screw up... don't keep your call volume high enough or whatever.. you'd get sent home early

[06:21:00]

Cardoe:

Cause BellSouth doesn't answer any of their calls.

[06:21:00]

Cardoe:

it's farmed out

[06:21:00]

Cardoe:

and this company makes money per call.

[06:21:00]

Cardoe:

But they make it on a tiered basis

[06:21:00]

Cardoe:

less for repeat callers

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Cardoe:

and then it worked against them if a customer called about an issue more then like 2 times.

[06:22:00]

Cardoe:

So after like a week of me just answering questions during the training and being bored

[06:22:00]

Cardoe:

they told me to sit in on the level 2 callers

[06:22:00]

Cardoe:

so I did and they gave me a seat there and told me not worry about training

[06:22:00]

Cardoe:

I'd just call people back

[06:23:00]

Cardoe:

level 1 people are not allowed to spend more then 15 minutes on the phone with someone.

[06:23:00]

Cardoe:

cause they're the money makers

[06:23:00]

Cardoe:

level 2 are the solvers

[06:23:00]

Cardoe:

but there's 2 types of level 2

[06:23:00]

Cardoe:

the solvers and the hand-offs

[06:24:00]

Cardoe:

the hand-offs are just the stupid unintelligent level 1s that are just basically there to save a level 1 person from being on the phone for more then 15 min

[06:24:00]

Cardoe:

"Oh. We'll run a test on your line. Lemme set you up with a level 2 person."

[06:24:00]

Cardoe:

Yeah that

[06:24:00]

Cardoe:

that's crap.

[06:24:00]

Cardoe:

they basically call the CO and ask for a test

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crouton:

you're rather talkative for 2am

[06:24:00]

crouton:

:)

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Cardoe:

and a lot of times the CO engineer is just dragging his ass

[06:24:00]

Cardoe:

so it takes more then 15 min

[06:24:00]

Cardoe:

sorry. I'll shut up.

[06:25:00]

crouton:

no problem, just amused you've got so much to say. :)

[06:25:00]

Cardoe:

eh I can rant

[06:25:00]

Cardoe:

:-D

[06:26:00]

Cardoe:

If you had BellSouth I'd tell you the trick to get someone who knew anything, ask for a level 2 call-back

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Cardoe:

That's what I did

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crouton:

hah. i dropped bellsouth when i got a cell phone.

[06:26:00]

Cardoe:

Where I'd call people back and I'd hear how the first guy they talked to when they called had them delete the driver for their IDE device or something stupid like that.

[06:27:00]

Cardoe:

yeah I don't have BellSouth either

[06:27:00]

Cardoe:

I actually want their DSL right now

[06:27:00]

Cardoe:

because my apartment complex has some contract with this shitty cable company

[06:27:00]

Cardoe:

who's connection sucks.

[06:27:00]

crouton:

bah.. unbundled or nothing

[06:27:00]

Cardoe:

But BellSouth won't let me get DSL without their basic phone line

[06:27:00]

Cardoe:

which after taxes is $19.29

[06:27:00]

crouton:

exactly

[06:28:00]

Cardoe:

Last time I called to see if I could get it.

[06:28:00]

Cardoe:

the guy on the other end got an earful.

[06:28:00]

Cardoe:

And I made him go over 15 min

[06:28:00]

Cardoe:

for lying to me.

[06:28:00]

Cardoe:

And sure enough 16 min into the call he wanted to put me on hold to check something for me.

[06:28:00]

crouton:

hah

[06:28:00]

Cardoe:

Wouldn't be descriptive.

[06:29:00]

Cardoe:

They have floor managers

[06:29:00]

Cardoe:

and then area managers

[06:29:00]

Cardoe:

they all have a list of their people

[06:29:00]

Cardoe:

that sorts based on how long they've been on the phone

[06:29:00]

Cardoe:

at 10 min it'd go yellow

[06:29:00]

Cardoe:

at 15 it'd go red.

[06:29:00]

Cardoe:

they'd come yell at you when you got into red.

[06:30:00]

Cardoe:

I got the manager on the phone and gave him an earful too

[06:30:00]

Cardoe:

for trying to lie to me

[06:30:00]

Cardoe:

It was even the damn call center I work at over the summers.

[06:31:00]

Cardoe:

my cable company now blows.

[06:31:00]

crouton:

heh

[06:31:00]

Cardoe:

they basically rebroadcast DirecTV channels that they pick

[06:31:00]

Cardoe:

and pretty crappy too

[06:31:00]

Cardoe:

the channels bleed over each other

[06:31:00]

Cardoe:

like if the channel I'm watching goes black

[06:32:00]

Cardoe:

I can see fuzzy ghosting of the next channel up.

[06:32:00]

Cardoe:

which makes the picture always shitty

[06:32:00]

Cardoe:

and half the time at least 4–5 stations aren't tuned in

[06:32:00]

systemofadown:

how is working at best buy?

[06:32:00]

Cardoe:

cause their DirecTV receiver crashed

[06:32:00]

Cardoe:

systemofadown: awesome

[06:32:00]

Cardoe:

crazy busy right now

[06:32:00]

Cardoe:

but I'm making money

[06:32:00]

Cardoe:

which will be good once classes start again

[06:33:00]

Cardoe:

cause I'll have a little cushion for beer money

[06:33:00]

systemofadown:

how is working for "geek squad"

[06:33:00]

Cardoe:

I actually don't work over there.

[06:33:00]

Cardoe:

I help them out when they need an extra person

[06:33:00]

Cardoe:

I'm in digital cameras retardedly enough

[06:34:00]

Cardoe:

the one thing I knew the least about

[06:34:00]

systemofadown:

i put in app there online

[06:34:00]

Cardoe:

got my girlfriend a job in wireless

[06:34:00]

Cardoe:

they won't hire you now

[06:34:00]

Cardoe:

after the holiday's

[06:34:00]

Cardoe:

there's a freeze on hiring for the holidays

[06:34:00]

Cardoe:

cause they don't have time to train people

[06:35:00]

Cardoe:

and they don't want clueless people dealing with hordes

[06:35:00]

systemofadown:

ok so i should try after the first?

[06:35:00]

Cardoe:

It should stay in effect until January 10th

[06:36:00]

systemofadown:

ok what is the starting pay for best buy and geek squad

[06:36:00]

Cardoe:

To the world we consider until Jan 8th for all the holiday plans and specials

[06:36:00]

Cardoe:

it varies

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Cardoe:

our store is low relative to other stores

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Cardoe:

just cause the surrounding market is so low.

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systemofadown:

so what is the pay at one your at

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Cardoe:

again, depends on experience and stuff

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Cardoe:

like geek squad you need some kind of external Cert

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systemofadown:

i have A+, Network +, Linux+, LPIC 1

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systemofadown:

the linux is worthless there i know

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eskil:

It's as if I typed /join #bestbuyfanclub instead of #mythsomething.

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Cardoe:

eskil: you did

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Cardoe:

systemofadown: it's what sells

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Cardoe:

We do get some Linux questions oddly enough

[06:38:00]

Cardoe:

A bunch of us are in the "know"

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Cardoe:

but I'm the resident Linux guy

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systemofadown:

i need a job that is not fast food for a change

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** systemofadown will be glad never to set foot in another Wendy's ;) **

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

I like wendys

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Cardoe:

systemofadown: high school or college student?

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Gumby:

chili&cheese baked potato, jr bacon cheeseburger, side caesar salad for just over $5CAD

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systemofadown:

Cardoe: neither

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systemofadown:

High School > < College

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eskil:

I've had sex with a Wendy – just as good as the burgers.

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eskil:

Actually, better.

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systemofadown:

eskil: Comparing sex to food?

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systemofadown:

anyone from ohio here?

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eskil:

they're both about physical gratification.

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systemofadown:

does the svn have qt4 support yet?

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eskil:

nope, it's in the FutureDevelopment list.

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systemofadown:

does best buy have any jobs that i don't have to deal with ppl a lot?

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systemofadown:

dammit qt4 looks so cool

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systemofadown:

kde 3.5 is sleek

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Cardoe:

systemofadown: product processing... basically inventory

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systemofadown:

does that a lot less?

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systemofadown:

*pay

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crouton:

mythtv is so not worth all this hassle.

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mishehu:

are recordings from a pvr250 interlaced or no?

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GreyFoxx:

mishehu: Yes they are

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poop:

crouton: It needs to be shrinkwrapped.

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mishehu:

GreyFoxx: know what recommended options shoudl be used for transcode to deinterlace? they give the option -I with about 5 different methods, and then there's the VirtualDub smartdeinter filter

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GreyFoxx:

mishehu: I just used smartdeinter with transcode

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mishehu:

GreyFoxx: did you notice any "blinds" effects?

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mishehu:

seems quite prevalent with cartoons

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Cardoe:

GreyFoxx: what vid card do you have for output

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riksta:

is there a plugin for mythtv that i can choose X amount of recordings and tell them to be burnt to a normal DVD for use in a dvd player?

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GreyFoxx:

mishehu: Nope, never noticed that. Plus I've never transcoded a cartoon

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GreyFoxx:

Cardoe: All GF4 MX440's

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Krazylegz:

riksta: Someone was talking about a MythArchive about 2 months ago.

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Krazylegz:

riksta: 2 months to the day. Check the log for MythArchive on 10/10/05.

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riksta:

ok

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riksta:

ill check the lists

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Krazylegz:

It doesn't exist, though.

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simcop2387:

riksta: i've been working on something to do that, nothing substantial yet though, i'm still learning the mythtv codebase, and i'm working on how i want it to work too, it'll probably work by using svg or something similar for the menus (i'll probably use something less dependant on outside things though) i've already figured out a sane way to do the commercial skipping (e.g. we don't cut the files, commercial detection isn't perfect ye

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simcop2387:

t, but it'll still skip and let you rewind or turn it off)

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riksta:

cool

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simcop2387:

sphings mytharchive would probably be something that'd be nicer (mine would be for completely stand alone dvd's e.g. mythtv doesn't know anything about them being burned) i'm sure we'll share alot of things together if either of us gets around to it

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Cardoe:

GreyFoxx: real good picture?

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riksta:

i'm quite surprised no-one has done it yet, i guess maybe because the legalities are a bit sketchy

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riksta:

i guess it could never go into the base code

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simcop2387:

i've got a mockup i made in inkscape at http://vdiddy.bounceme.net/~ryan/mythdvdr.png

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simcop2387:

i will be able to create a generic dvdauthor xml file for doing it though, i just need to finish the glue for the whole thing

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simcop2387:

mine will probably be a standalone perl script that requires inkscape at first until i learn the mythtv codebase (i plan on doing this this next week or so, i'll be setting up a mythtv box for my parents)

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Gumby:

anyone here know much about the nvtv dual tuner cards?

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simcop2387:

nvtv? whats nvidia tv out have to do with tuner cards :) (there is a program for nvidia cards tv out with that name )

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simcop2387:

Gumby: i haven't had any experiance with them but i could sure try to bulls*** my way around it

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poop:

"Tuner 1 is not available"

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poop:

Thanks for not putting anything in my logfile, mythbackend.

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simcop2387:

poop: lol

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poop:

Let me try to fuck it just so I know it's running

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poop:

nothing

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poop:

2005-12–11 03:07:19.694 Getting next free recorder after : -1

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poop:

2005-12–11 03:07:19.698 Checking card 1. Best card so far -1

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poop:

um

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poop:

Sagetv looks better and better.

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aMMgYrP:

hola

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simcop2387:

wonder why poop's having so many problems

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banyan:

Is anyone else having issues with ffmpeg-libpostproc needing upgrades but conflicting with transcode, mplayer and libquicktime.

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simcop2387:

sounds like you'll need to reinstall/compile transcode mplayer and libquicktime

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banyan:

well, I've been using yum.

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banyan:

Trouble is that transcode and mplayer are mythtv-suite dependencies. I'm not too eager to remove all that junk...

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Krazylegz:

Just use RPM and force them?

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banyan:

that's badbadbad!

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Krazylegz:

Oh.

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** Krazylegz reads up more on LFS **

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banyan:

heh

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banyan:

I'm guessing that within a few days there'll be an update to some package or other that'll make things sync up. But I wanted to see if anyone here knew anything about that.

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Krazylegz:

Later guys and gals.

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t00m:

weird, did anyone ever see a network card chaning it's mac address?

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t00m:

a stupid realtek one

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banyan:

well, you can tell your ip stack to use a different one.

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aMMgYrP:

y0 anyone up in here?

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banyan:

one or two ppl

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aMMgYrP:

cool

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t00m:

banyan: that guy, whos computer changed address, doesn't know very much about that sort of stuff. i guess, he didn't talk to his ip stack :)

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aMMgYrP:

I was wondering, what is the second easiest distro to install mythTV on? cuz knoppmyth is not cutting mustard

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t00m:

i just installed in once

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t00m:

don't ask me

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t00m:

(and it's still not 100% working)

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aMMgYrP:

well mine was 97% working still hadn't installed the games, and it seems to refuse to sync with the clock...

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simcop2387:

aMMgYrP: personally i'd say gentoo but i'm a gentoo user

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banyan:

I've installed myth many many times, I found fc4 is pretty easy but it's probably about the same as any typical distro.

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aMMgYrP:

but thats prolly my fault for missetting the clock during setup... even though i reset it later

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simcop2387:

i also chop apart lots of my system to do things the way i want

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aMMgYrP:

well I was going to do ubuntu, but its not sending a TV out signal through my nvidia card :/

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banyan:

That's just an x setup thing.

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aMMgYrP:

is it a fixable xsetupthing?

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banyan:

I don't know off the top of my head.

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t00m:

o dear.. load average: 3.37, 2.47, 1.89

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t00m:

i'd like to see a windows trying to handle that and still play nice video without stopping :>

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Juski:

mornin'

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laga:

morning JulietSierra

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Juski:

morning laga

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laga:

err, juski i ment ;)

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laga:

damn ;)

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Juski:

laga: I type all the nicks ;)

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laga:

Juski: i'm too lazy ;)

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t00m:

hi * :)

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laga:

hi t00m ;)

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Juski:

had a go at using Inkscape earlier... how the heck does anyone manage to draw photo-real icons with that?!

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Juski:

hi t00m

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laga:

hehe ;). i couldn't tell you, i suck at this kind of stuff

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Juski:

whoever can is way more skilled than I

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laga:

;)

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Juski:

I'll stick to my bitmap manglings

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Juski:

I reckon when I'm done with this wide theme I'll take a break from theming for a while & go back to fiddling with my dbox2... see if I can get that baby stable for xmas

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Juski:

thats _if_ anyone gets any PVR150 cards in stock at a price I like

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laga:

Juski: let me know when you manage to do that ;)

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Juski:

laga: I think that it's mostly just the network stuff that makes it hang

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laga:

Juski: i think so, too. i may talk to the guys in #dbox2 (ircnet) again and see if they can tell me something

[10:20:00]

Juski:

box runs for weeks when you dont pull video over the network port

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laga:

that sucks

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Juski:

I think it's the http daemon you know

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laga:

it's funny. my dbox setup is completely broken at the moment, mythbackend won't see the darn box. i should fix that soon, my cable plan is expensive ;)

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laga:

the httpd? like, memory leakage or what do you think?

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Juski:

well when it crashes, I can usually manage to telnet in and do a 'top'.. httd is sitting there hogging 99% CPU

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laga:

damn. well, that should be easy to fix. just replace it with umm good software ;)

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Juski:

hehe

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Juski:

I need to get it going – I'm paying like £25 a month for channels I can't record

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marc_in_lux:

good morning

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Juski:

morning, marc_in_lux

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marc_in_lux:

I think I once read about a script that adds filesystem links to mythtv recordings, so one can access them under a sensible name

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marc_in_lux:

where can I find that?

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Juski:

mythlink, I think it's called

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marc_in_lux:

it's not part of mythtv, is it?

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Juski:

http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv/mythlink

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Juski:

looking at it, I'd say use it **very** carefully

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t00m:

is the cpu bus speed somewhere in /proc?

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marc_in_lux:

thanks a lot, Juski

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t00m:

or anywhere else

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marc_in_lux:

Juski, hardcoded paths?

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Juski:

marc_in_lux: I think it just makes symlinks

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marc_in_lux:

Juski, well, that's what I had in mind. Putting those someplace I can mount, so I can play mythtv on my (Windows) laptop

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Juski:

marc_in_lux: there's already a thing that lets you hover the mouse over your recorded files & it gives you all the show details on a windows box

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marc_in_lux:

aha. how would that work? Is that via mythweb?

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laga:

t00m: /proc/cpuinfo or somewhere in /proc/acpi

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laga:

Juski: dsmyth.sf.net ?

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Juski:

no, you share your recorded shows directory with samba or whatever, then use the god-awful 'explorer'

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Juski:

laga: looks right.. dsmyth

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marc_in_lux:

looks like a full myth frontend client, doesn't it?

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laga:

JulietSierra: please fix your IRC client

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laga:

marc_in_lux: no, that should be winmyth.sf.net i think

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t00m:

laga: cpuinfo doesn't have it. i'll see acpi

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Juski:

oh yeah.. dsmyth is the bunch of directshow filters

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marc_in_lux:

aha :-)

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Juski:

ugh.. not winmyth.. it's the frontend thing that doesn't work one bit

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t00m:

doesn't look very promising

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laga:

i never could get it running, but i believe that i was missing .net

[10:34:00]

marc_in_lux:

well... I think for my needs I can nicely use mythlink, and put those links into a folder shared by samba.

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marc_in_lux:

thanks for your help

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Juski:

laga: I've got dsmyth installed – that'd be the one for hovering over filenames & seeing all the info

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laga:

Juski: looks good. might try it out on my dad's laptop

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Juski:

I hear they're doing a windows version of QT.. so maybe one day we'll have an influx of (ugh) Windows users

[10:36:00]

Juski:

or might that be a very cold day in hell? ;)

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Juski:

anyhoo – got to shake a leg & do some more erm.. stuff

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laga:

there has been a windows version of Qt for ages, just not under the GPL. qt4 is avaiable to windows users under the gpl now, but mythtv doesn't use it yet

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laga:

bye Juski

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marc_in_lux:

mythlink doesn't seem to work on an up2date mythtv--- it looks for those old style filenames

[10:47:00]

marc_in_lux:

I should be able to rework that script a bit... looks like the 'recorded' table has all needed information.

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laga:

marc_in_lux: mm

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laga:

marc_in_lux: err, sorry.

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laga:

marc_in_lux: look for mythrename

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laga:

marc_in_lux: by chris petersen (xris)

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t00m:

for some reason i don't like that message: 2005-12–11 18:48:37.446 DVB#0 WARNING – No data from card in 1 second.

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marc_in_lux:

what does that do, laga?

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laga:

marc_in_lux: it renames your recordings.

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laga:

marc_in_lux: basically it works like mythlink. but in SVN, you can rename recordings so it just does that

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marc_in_lux:

yeah, already found. seems to be a good think :-)

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laga:

;)

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jono:

hi all

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Juski:

uh I hate housework.. gotta have a BK lunch today :)

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Juski:

hi jono

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jono:

heya Juski

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Juski:

wtf? some oil installation in the UK exploded?!

[11:04:00]

jono:

Juski, seems like

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jono:

it

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laga:

bbc.co.uk has it

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laga:

Homeowners report buckled front doors, cracked walls and blown-out windows,

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laga:

wow

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laga:

must have been a huge blast

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jono:

yeah

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laga:

Witnesses report hearing the blasts more than 100 miles away. <- wow

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Juski:

got news24 up now

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Juski:

ugh.. livetv is breaking up

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jono:

last night, I taped a show and watched the last five minutes while it was taping, and I was watching the show when it began transcoding – the problem is the transcoding failed – is this normal?

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t00m:

my thing just stopped working.. again

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t00m:

i hate it

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Juski:

jono: if you were watching while it was trying to transcode.. I expect that's why it failed

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jono:

Juski, so I can't watch a show while it transcodes?

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t00m:

it's both reading

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t00m:

should be find

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t00m:

fine

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jono:

I just tried to transcode it again, and it failed

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jono:

can I not transcode a job that already errored?

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Juski:

yeh.. just delete the job & do it again I think

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jono:

how do I delete it?

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Juski:

go into the status page in 'information center (sic)'

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Juski:

job queue... then select the failed job & bring up the menu

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jono:

Juski, when I bring up the menu it only asks if I want to re-queue it

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Juski:

hmm

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Juski:

Ive only ever transcoded a couple of things – my frontend can't play them properly

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jono:

hmmm

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laga:

Juski: i hear that mpeg2 -> mpeg2 transcoding is usable within mythfrontend now. in svn head, of course ;)

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Juski:

ah.. got livetv working without judderring now on my 800Mhz... using libmpeg decoding :)

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Juski:

oh shit "don't panic buy petrol".. like a red rag to a bull

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laga:

hehe

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jono:

Juski, its weird, I reckon there may be a memory leak in transcode because I got jittery TV after it failed

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jono:

is there a mythtv bugzilla?

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Juski:

jono: you can't just go submitting bugs.. you need logs & backtraces & stuff

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Juski:

or the bug will get closed, super pronto ;)

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t00m:

but you can see if you one is already reported

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laga:

svn.mythtv.org

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jono:

Juski, I know, I just want to know where the bugzilla is

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Juski:

okee.. just making sure you know, jono ;)

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jono:

:)

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t00m:

damnit, i need a faster cpu. it's SO borging

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t00m:

eh.. boring

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t00m:

i think, trying to install nuvexport broke myth

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t00m:

why ever. must be one of these stupid gentoo slot behaviours

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t00m:

now it's building X *sigh*

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jono:

anyone hrere use a dvb card?

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t00m:

i wouldn't call it 'use'

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t00m:

i have one

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Juski:

wow.. DVB subtitles work now

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t00m:

maybe i should switch to ubuntu as well..

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jono:

t00m, you know it makes sense :)(

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laga:

ubuntu rocks :)

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Juski:

jono: you know for a fact I use DVB cards – & they work very well for me. the reason I'm getting jumpy livetv playback is probably because I compiled mythtv without xvmc

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t00m:

consider yourself very happy :>

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Juski:

t00m: I do :)

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jono:

Juski, oh yeah

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jono:

Juski, which card?

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Juski:

jono: leadtek LR6650

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Juski:

got 3 of them in total

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Juski:

2 in my backend, one in my test system

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t00m:

did any of them ever just stopped working?

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jono:

Juski, how does multiple cards work?

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t00m:

until you reboot

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Juski:

jono: you can have them assigned to the same video source, or make a new video source

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Juski:

and t00m: no they just work & work (and work)

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t00m:

*cry*

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jono:

Juski, so how do you flick between different cards, and how do you make a show record from a paricular card?

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Juski:

jono: in my main setup I don't need to worry.. myth just selects the first free card coz I want them treated the same

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Juski:

comes in very handy for overlapping recordings & where there are 2 things on at the same time that I wanna record :)

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Juski:

and when I'm done testing this setup, the other card is going in the main backend

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jono:

Juski, so do you have a bunch of tv aerials?

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Juski:

just grabbed SVN again and this time I'm compiling with xvmc enabled

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jono:

or can you run lots of dvb cards off the same ariel?

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Juski:

no jono: these cards have a buffered loop-thru output

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Juski:

so just link em ;)

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t00m:

Juski: would you recommend svn for unlucky users like me? :)

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jono:

Juski, huh?

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Juski:

jono: the cards I've got have an aerial IN and an aerial OUT

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t00m:

but you could also just split the signal before

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t00m:

just not too often without using an amp

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Juski:

I wouldn't just split it.. you'd need a distribution amp or booster of some sort

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jono:

really? so I could use a single ariel to drive a bunch of cards?

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Juski:

if they have loop thrus yeh

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Juski:

or if you use an amp

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Juski:

my aerial is just kinda lashed up in the attic... works a treat

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t00m:

as long as it's not satellite

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

yeh you need one LNB per sat card

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t00m:

would you?

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Juski:

or a multiple output LNB

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t00m:

i thought you'd need one per polarisation

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t00m:

that makes it 2

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Juski:

t00m: LNBs have polarisation switching inside these days.. have had for a long time

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t00m:

yes..

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t00m:

anyway

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Juski:

anyway, yes

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Juski:

I've got to run.. got a Burger King to catch ;)

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Juski:

mmmmmmmmmmm

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jono:

later Juski

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t00m:

yeah, go. i'm starving meanwhile, waiting for x to finish

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Juski:

laters :)

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Juski:

I'll save you some crumbs & ketchup wrappers

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t00m:

i want to record jurassic park in 45 minutes

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t00m:

that's never going to happen..

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t00m:

should have set up a stupid windows box

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t00m:

reboot, fixed

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deaddy:

hi all

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deaddy:

i cant scan channels in myth

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deaddy:

i have a channels.conf file but where should i put it?

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deaddy:

anybody willing to help me?

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deaddy:

i have a valid dvbs channels.conf file for hotbird but how can i show myth to use it?

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t00m:

hooray

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t00m:

deaddy: patience

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LPLATES:

Hi all :) ---- Anyone here use DVB-T cards on a BSD box?

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** LPLATES sticks two fingers in mouth and wistles really loudly to grab some attention :D **

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LPLATES:

Am sure all these people died honourably for their cause :P"

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** LPLATES gotta go... trying not to trip over any headstones :D **

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LPLATES:

Bye :)

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spine55:

does anyone have both a 350 and a pchdtv 3000 installed?

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spine55:

I just setup the ivtv drivers and now I get some errors in dmesg when the 3000 loads up

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spine55:

cx88xx: disagrees about version of symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog

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spine55:

I screwed something up :(

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simcop2387:

spine55: sounds like you've got conflicts between the two drivers, what version ivtv is it? 0.4.0 likes its own modules alot which doesn't play well with other cards, 0.5.X (the development releases) have quite a few changes in that regard

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jcsmith:

hi all...I'm researching building a mythbox and had a few questions, can any of you recommend one hauppauge card over another?

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squeegy:

i use the pvr-250 it works fine.

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jcsmith:

also are there any recomendations for a video card with good tv out

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squeegy:

i just use an old geforce4 i had lying around for tvout

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jcsmith:

squeegy: i've read in various places that the chipset has changed over various models of the pvr-250. Do you know if there is a specific revison or model number I need to look for?

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squeegy:

sorry, i'm unaware of any of those facts

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jcsmith:

no worries. So over all are you happy with your myth-tv?

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squeegy:

yep

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squeegy:

i'm not a big tv buff, but because of it i can actually watch the few shows i like

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jcsmith:

yea, i'm not a huge tv buff either, i am a movie buff tho and am looking more to make a dvd jukebox out of it but i would like to occationally record some tv

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squeegy:

ahh

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squeegy:

i don't use mythdvd, not sure if it will work with my mac mini front end

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squeegy:

anyways, i'm out.

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jcsmith:

later, thanks

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simcop2387:

jcsmith: alot of nvidia cards have decent tv-out, hauppauge cards are pretty much the same AFAIK, the 350's you wouldn't want to spend your money on if your using something else for tv out, the 500 has two tuners so they're really nice, but between the 150 and 250 its not that different AFAIK

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simcop2387:

the 150's just recently got stable drivers for linux

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jcsmith:

simcop: I guess that means that the 250's driver has been stable for longer?

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simcop2387:

yes the 250's and 350's have had a stable driver for longer, they've been around for a lot longer, i havent' had any problems so far with my 150 and the new drivers, in fact so many problems i used to have have been fixed that i'd say that they're a good choice too

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simcop2387:

the only thing i haven't gotten working is closed captioning but from what i hear neither has anyone else

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simcop2387:

its also possible the cards don't support it, which is true? i don't know

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jcsmith:

i don't have any need for the closed captioning. have you ever set up output on the 350, i've read in several places getting x running on it is a nightmare

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simcop2387:

never had one so i'm not sure

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simcop2387:

but i've heard that too

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jcsmith:

it would be nice to have one card do both, but i wonder if its worth the hassle

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simcop2387:

nvidia tv out is alot easier to configure

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simcop2387:

and from what i hear depending on the tv and the inputs on it you can do better quality video (no need to compress EVERYTHING into mpeg2)

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jcsmith:

my tv has s-video and composite in

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simcop2387:

then i'd recommend getting a cheap nvidia card with tv-out, much less of a hassle (while testing and setting everything up you can have a computer monitor hooked up with no problems)

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jcsmith:

the computer i am considering making a mythbox out of, i also would like to continue using for torrents and a couple of other minor things, is that possible?

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** eidolon yawns. **

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eidolon:

part of the true joy of mythtv. playing bomberman 2 with your 7yr old son.

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eidolon:

on the myth box :)

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eidolon:

bbl

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spine55:

simcop2387: thanks I'll have try the new release see if that helps if not I'll pull the hd card until I have time to work with it

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poop:

I hate it when binaries are linked against two versions of a library.

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simcop2387:

poop: what distro?

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poop:

debian stable

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poop:

I'm rebuilding with gcc-3.3

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laga:

is it a warning about libstdc++?

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poop:

yeah, stable is built gcc-3.3

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poop:

built with

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laga:

i can build mythtv with gcc-3.4 in sarge just fine. the libstdc++ thing is just warning

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poop:

seg faults, but I didn't debug it

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laga:

umm, ok. never had many problems with that

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poop:

But, hey, why load two libstdc++'s into memory anyway?

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poop:

-march=athlon-xp fed into configure gets turned into -march=pentiumpro, but -march=athlon doesn't

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laga:

file a bug (if it's with SVN)

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poop:

It seems to be on purpose.

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poop:

I was just wondering what I didn't know.

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Kelerion:

Juski.. you about?

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a1fa|64:

hi

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a1fa|64:

any new shows worth watching?

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poop:

The FE tells me is that all inputs are in use and the BE doesn't say anything at all.

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Kelerion:

Juski.. am presuming you'd been told but I think your theme is missing a section "progdetails"?

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Kelerion:

or it could be me.. lol

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simcop2387:

i love watching 2 hours of tv in 30 minutes (minus commercials and sped up with time shifting)

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simcop2387:

2x – commercials gets me around a 3x-4x speed increase

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GreyFoxx:

poop: pass it -arch, not -march

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GreyFoxx:

or --arch

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poop:

Shouldn't the backend say _something_ if it can't use an input?

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poop:

2005-12–11 12:02:07.554 Getting next free recorder after : -1

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poop:

Should I just drop the database and start over? Recreating the devices and channels don't help.

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poop:

so fragile

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poop:

Is trunk usable?

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poop:

I had saved front-end prefs as "mivo-fe" and the backend got it into its head that _it_ was "mivo-fe"

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poop:

Is the front-end separate in svn?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

errr actually..... I should clarify that before I answer... what do you mean by seperate? ASs in a seperate application?

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GreyFoxx:

Yes they are seperate

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GreyFoxx:

I was thinking you mean is the source in a seperate part of trunk :)

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Juski:

Kelerion – wasn't missing last time I looked. Try the latest version

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poop:

The front-end and back-ends seem to be bound together in 0.18.1.

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GreyFoxx:

how do you mean bound together ?

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Juski:

damn he left already

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poop:

Grey: The comment I made above about saving the front-end prefs and seeing those changes in mythtv-setup.

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poop:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

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GreyFoxx:

All host specific preferences are stored based on a machines hostname

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh that would be A global pref

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poop:

That's what I was getting until I removed ~mythtv/.mythtv and re-ran mythtv-setup.

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GreyFoxx:

I assume you have seperate boxes for your frontend and the backend?

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poop:

nope

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poop:

I just wanted to save the front-end prefs meaningfully

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GreyFoxx:

What do you mean? All are stored in the database

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poop:

I just used the label "mivo-fe" when saving the frontend-prefs ...

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poop:

And that affected the back-end (somehow)

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Juski:

anyway folks: nope, there's definitely a window named progdetails in version 1.7 of my theme, so there :P

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GreyFoxx:

So you manually went into the database and updated the settings table in some fashion ?>

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poop:

no, in the front-end settings screen

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poop:

"Use custom identifier for frontend preferences"

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jcsmith:

hi all, I asked this a bit earlier today but things look a little more happening now. I'm doing a bit of research before I order the stuff to build my mythbox. Which would you recommend, a PVR-150 or PVR-250?

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh. Can

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GreyFoxx:

't say I've ever touch that

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GreyFoxx:

Which screen is it ?

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poop:

Apparently it's not safe to :)

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Juski:

jcsmith: either, but PVR250 cards are like the proverbial rocking-horse droppings these days

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Juski:

(i.e. very rare)

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poop:

setup->General->Database Configuration 2/2

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poop:

Juski: What's the difference between them?

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GreyFoxx:

well, odds are it's doing a update to the database and changing all instances of "your real hostname" and converting them to "yourcustom one" , and that would affect a backend on the same box since the backend data is stored with the same hostname

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Juski:

poop: the pvr250 is older – and has differrent chips on it

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jcsmith:

juski: I was just about to ask what the proverbial rocking-horse droppings were. Also what about between a 150 and 150MCE

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poop:

That's what I meant about the front-end and back-end seeming to be tied together

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GreyFoxx:

I gotta go pick up my little one or I'd look into it more

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Juski:

go to the Hauppauge site, jcsmith

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jcsmith:

juski: I have and I know the differences, I'm just wondering if any of you all have expierences with them and recommend one over the other

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Juski:

in theory the pvr250 has more mature drivers, but the 150 drivers are definitely edging their way

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Juski:

if you don't need an IR reciever go for the 150MCE

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Juski:

or indeed a remote of any kind ;)

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Juski:

but that's not to say you _can't_ have a remote for your box if you get a PVR150MCE

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jcsmith:

Also the box i am wanting to use for my mythbox I also need to use for some occational torrent downloads and just general storage for other stuff in the house, Is this possible?

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Juski:

jcsmith: should quite easily be possible

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poop:

jcsmith: A modern peecee should handle it.

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Juski:

not like mythtv is a resource-hog.. unless you're watching HDTV.. but then nothing eats CPU like HDTV does

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jcsmith:

juski poop: I wasn't so much worried about the pc being able to handle at as how easy it would be able to use other software at the same time as myth

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Juski:

so long as you're not running mega-hungry applications it won't even be an issue

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Juski:

like compiling & watching live tv :-/

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jcsmith:

juski: just planning on downloading and watching live or recorded tv

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dev-:

jcsmith: its just a unix box, you can ssh in and do wahtever you want...

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dev-:

jcsmith: as long as you know whatever linux distro you'

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Juski:

it's not XP MCE ya know.. you _can_ do other stuff without breaking anything ;)

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dev-:

re going to use, you'll be fine... if not, if your'e new to linux, you're going to have trouble.

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jcsmith:

dev: I realize that, but what about a gui application running along with myth

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dev-:

jcsmith: heh... have you ever ran x on a box and ssh'd to it remotely?

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Juski:

jcsmith: if you're talking about having seperate desktops, I'd say go easy on that idea

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dev-:

jcsmith: i would rethink myth if you dont know linux. might want to check out the windows media center thing. its more friendly for first time users... to run myth you need to have some linux knowledge..

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jcsmith:

dev: yes, i'm very familiar with ssh and x forwarding, i'd just like to have an additional vt with an app or two (torrent/usenet client) that i can switch to eaisly

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dev-:

lol i wasnt talking about x fordwariing

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jcsmith:

dev: i do know linux fairly well, used it as my primary os for 3–4 years now

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Juski:

should be a walk in the park if you follow a howto to the letter

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dev-:

jcsmith: then you should have no trouble.

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dev-:

jcsmith: just please dont me another one of these people that constantly ask questions about your distro that someone with experience should already know

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dev-:

s/me/be

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Juski:

I was a complete noob & it only took me about a week including kernel patching.. but there were some seriously late nights there

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dev-:

ive been admining linux/freebsd boxen for almost 10years now.. myth took me a few days to setup as i never messed with capture cards in linux before...

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dev-:

but i know how to rtfm so there were no problems. heck i didnt even know about this channel till after i had everything setup and working lol

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Juski:

capture cards are _never_ quite as simple as plug & play.. not even in Window$ (hell, especially not in Window$)

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jcsmith:

dev: yea, the man pages are so often overlooked and such a great resource

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jcsmith:

and if you can't find it there, google usually has the answer

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dev-:

and for mythtv, mythtv.org has great docks on myth itself

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dev-:

thenthere's the myth forums, great stuff there as well

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jcsmith:

i've read most of the stuff on mythtv.org, hadn't seen the forums yet tho

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laga:

what myth forums?

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dev-:

mythtvtalk.com

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Juski:

never heard of it ;)

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dev-:

can find things on there if having problems :)

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laga:

oh, yeah. i totally forgot about mythtvtalk.com ;)

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Juski:

mythtvtalk.com? what's the URL?

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mofu:

ol

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mofu:

lol

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dev-:

mythtvtalk.com?

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dev-:

heh

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mofu:

duh

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mofu:

here's your sign . . . .

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laga:

hehehe

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mofu:

how's the current SVN??

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mofu:

need to update the HD box

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poop:

Just what I'm doing now.

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jcsmith:

any recomendations on an output card, or should any old card with s-video out work fine?

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poop:

I need myth to drive my STB, capturing from both a bttv card and firewire.

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poop:

Let's see if it works this time.

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poop:

jcsmith: nvidia has pretty good s-video quality

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laga:

i hear that fx 5200 cards should work fine

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laga:

anyways, i'm off to do school work

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a1fa|64:

s0-cker

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Juski:

have fun laga :)

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a1fa|64:

Juski

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a1fa|64:

sup

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poop:

Man, I love HD

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phoner:

whys that

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poop:

so clear

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poop:

This is tricky. I only get a handful of channels w/o a box, but when I'm recording via firewire, I still want to be able to watch tv.

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simcop2387:

heh

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simcop2387:

i'm gonna end up with a similar problem at my parents house when i setup a mythtv box for them they've got hd direct tv now, and they want to be able to record stuff (obviously not at HD since we dont' have an HD tuner yet) from it, i know they'll want to watch tv while it records (luckily they've still got basic cable so alot of things will still work)

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phoner:

any idea how to make my recordings louder, I already have the profile at 100%

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phoner:

yet music plays fine volume

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xris:

turn up mythtv's volume, too

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phoner:

it's maxed

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xris:

could just be your tuner card

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xris:

my recording volume is set at about 90%, and I leave mythtv's playback volume at the default (80%, I think) and things are fine.

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tanq:

can someone using gentoo and the wintv pvr 150 put their modprobe.conf and modules.conf in the pastebin ? I'm sure this is a long shot

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tanq:

and kernel 2.6.14

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tanq:

heh

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Juski:

hey a1fa: how's it going?

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Juski:

and hello to you rsdvd fella

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poop:

2005-12–11 14:12:31.683 Commercial Detection initialized: width = 1920, height = 1088, fps = 29.97, method = 1

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poop:

That's PBS, buddy!

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poop:

Is there a no-commercial flag per channel?

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Juski:

poop: you can set a channel to commercial-free

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** poop digs around mythtv-setusp **

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Juski:

in the channel editor

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Juski:

the myswl column is called commfree I think

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poop:

Is it under Advanced?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

select a channel, then go into it to change its settings

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poop:

oh, select :)

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poop:

dig

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Juski:

dig? groovy

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poop:

I dig it

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poop:

It's righteous

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Juski:

knarly

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Juski:

lol

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poop:

gnarly, you radical dude

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Juski:

hey I'm not as much of a surfer boi as I used to be lol

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Juski:

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|Slurpee|:

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laga:

netsplits rock

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nice, even the MythLogBot survived

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|Slurpee|:

hey

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|Slurpee|:

i want to order my hardware for my box today

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Juski:

you said netsplits rock...

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** laga just doesn't get it **

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|Slurpee|:

i was talkin bout hardware

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|Slurpee|:

someone wana help me out

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|Slurpee|:

im confused on which video cards to order

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Juski:

laga: someone said something about netsplits rocking.. I'm just wondering what a netsplit is

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xris:

pvr-150

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xris:

Juski: I believe it's when the various freenode servers disconnect from each other briefly...

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|Slurpee|:

pvr-150 ??

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|Slurpee|:

thats a model number of card ?

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xris:

disconnects/reconnects some large percentage of people in the channel

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Juski:

Slurpee: yep

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xris:

|Slurpee|: yeah... hardware mpeg2 encoder.

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laga:

Juski: oh. well, a netsplit is when one or more server get kicked of the network for various reasons

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Juski:

ahh.. figures :)

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xris:

|Slurpee|: what kind of card are you looking for? hd or SD?

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|Slurpee|:

http://www.compuplus.com/i-Hauppauge-WinTV-PV . . . froogle.html ?

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|Slurpee|:

hd = high def ?

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xris:

yes

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|Slurpee|:

thats what im looking for

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xris:

high def you basically have 2 options.. pchdtv or air2pc

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poop:

I have a valid livetv directory, yet livetv still crashes the backend and spews an error about missing the ringbuf

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|Slurpee|:

does the price go up a lot ?

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|Slurpee|:

how does it effect my mobo/cpu/memory selection ?

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xris:

HD recordings are about 9G/hour

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xris:

and take at least a 2Ghz cpu to play back

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poop:

You can get HD over firewire from your STB but it's unrealiable under mythtv.

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xris:

yeah, firewire is your other option (if you have cable)

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|Slurpee|:

wait

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|Slurpee|:

<xris> HD recordings are about 9G/hour ??

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xris:

yes

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|Slurpee|:

9g/hour ?

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poop:

Slurpee: It's high-res mpeg-2 TS

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dev-:

thats 9gig...

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Juski:

something's telling ya that 20GB disk you had lying round just aint gonna cut it

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|Slurpee|:

9 gig of hd space ?

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xris:

yes

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|Slurpee|:

i plan o using 250 gig hdd

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dev-:

no 9gig of video crazy space!

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xris:

compared to about 2G for high quality SD recordings.

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|Slurpee|:

high qualit sd ??

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|Slurpee|:

quality is pretty good ?

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poop:

Slurpee: It's awesome.

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xris:

mine's pretty decent recorded from svideo

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|Slurpee|:

couldnt just have the hd card and only record in hd when i want ?

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dev-:

you're nothing but a big walking ? arent you slurpee "_

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dev-:

er :)

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|Slurpee|:

exactly why im here

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Juski:

1.5GB/hour is pretty damn fine looking

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poop:

Slurpee: hd cards only do HD

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|Slurpee|:

im seriously planning on buying my hardware today

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poop:

and only unencrypted HD

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dev-:

you'vbe been saying that for weeks

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xris:

not really.... to record SD with an HD card, you have to do software encoding.. not so hot.

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|Slurpee|:

how much does a hd card cost

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xris:

they're about $180, right?

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dev-:

dunno, id have to look on google

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xris:

haven't looked in awhile. got mine for free

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dev-:

:P

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|Slurpee|:

dev, i work full time. havent had time to sit down and acutally look at what im buynig

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poop:

That's a chunk for piece of hardware with a questionable future.

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xris:

|Slurpee|: if you're just starting out, get a pvr-150 and see how you like the quality... or if you have HD cable, you can get your cable company to give you a firewire box, and record straight from firewire.

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|Slurpee|:

firebox is the hdtv turner box the cable company gives me ?

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|Slurpee|:

firewire box

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|Slurpee|:

sorry

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poop:

Slurpee: yeah, there are a couple of common models

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poop:

And sometimes you have to ask for one with firewire.

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|Slurpee|:

i worked at a high end tv store for awhile

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|Slurpee|:

so im going to get a real good deal on a tv

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|Slurpee|:

im building the pvr before i buy the tv though

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xris:

make sure the tv has dvi

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|Slurpee|:

yea i kno that much

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netrix:

is there anyway to make MythWeb use a proxy server?

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poop:

My b-i-l got a cute little 60"

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netrix:

i set up http_proxy environment vars, but mythweb doesn't seem to care.

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|Slurpee|:

probably going with 40 inch dlp

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xris:

netrix: huh? mythweb runs on the server.. proxy is the client.

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Juski:

little? get some perspective man

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netrix:

xris: sry, ment mythwebbrowser.

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xris:

|Slurpee|: by law, fcc requires cable company to provide you with a firewire port if you pay for HD cable... myth can interface with that to record HD stuff, works pretty well.

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netrix:

|Slurpee|: i am going to get a myth machine doing to connect to my projector which as dvi.

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netrix:

er, has dvi.

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xris:

it's the ONLY way you'll be able to record non-broadcast HD channels.

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poop:

Juski: At least it's very bright.

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xris:

projector would be nice... my room isn't dark enough

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netrix:

xris: yeah thats the downside of a pj. you need control of ambient light.

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netrix:

so no ideas about mythwebbrowser and a proxy server huh?

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dev-:

i think the webbrowser is lame so never use it ;p

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netrix:

dev-: my first time trying it.

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Juski:

how far back do you have to sit if the TV is 60" across?

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netrix:

Juski: rule is 3 x screen height.

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Juski:

cheers netrix

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dev-:

that going blind thing is a myth

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netrix:

Juski: :)

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poop:

I'd have to sit 27" away if that were the case.

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|Slurpee|:

ive been looking into projector, i hear they are way cheaper

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|Slurpee|:

u can get dlp projector

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poop:

27' that is

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netrix:

poop: depends on the screen. but that is the rule of thumb.

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xris:

except for the expensive bulb to replace every year or so

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netrix:

poop: how big is 'yer screen.

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Juski:

projectors _are_ cheap.. it's the lamps that cost ya

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netrix:

|Slurpee|: if you love HT then a projector is amaing.

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poop:

xris: 2–3k hours is a lot of teevee in one year

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netrix:

i love mine.

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poop:

netrix: model?

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netrix:

poop: Sony HS10.

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netrix:

current version is the HS50.

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|Slurpee|:

so if i go the firewire hdtv box, what does the firewire plug into?? just a firewire port on computer ?

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poop:

netrix: The new generation of LCDs is amazing. You can leave your rainbows behind :)

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poop:

Slurpee: yeah (if you have one that linux will work with)

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poop:

I had to add a fucking firewire card.

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|Slurpee|:

firewire cards are cheap though

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poop:

After searching long and hard for a microatx board with firewire.

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|Slurpee|:

firewire pci cards are 7.5 on price watch

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|Slurpee|:

3 ports

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netrix:

poop: yeah and LCD is great because they are verisitle. hook up anything, xbox, pc, you name it. unlike some other pj types that get burned in from that kinda stuff.

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xris:

whenever I upgrade my tv, I'll go with lcd...

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dev-:

everything gets burnin

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dev-:

even lcds

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netrix:

anyone know if the canadian rogers digital terminal has firewire?

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netrix:

dev-: some devices more than others.

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poop:

I have an AE-900U, but no screen yet. I should order that today.

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dev-:

sure, but dont think just having an l;cd you're colden

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Juski:

lcds just tend to get dead or stuck pixels rather than burnin I've read

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poop:

netrix: avsforum has provider and area specific info

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dev-:

you have a cheap one, it will burnin quick

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dev-:

had a viewsonic something 800 that got burnin from my terms being in the same spot on every desktop

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poop:

dev: I have a cheap projector?

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dev-:

do you?

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poop:

<dev-> you have a cheap one, it will burnin quick

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netrix:

dev-: i have 7 displays in my house, 4 lcd, 3 crt. none have burn in so i don't agree.

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dev-:

<dev-> sure, but dont think just having an l;cd you're colden

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dev-:

<dev-> you have a cheap one, it will burnin quick

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poop:

damn context

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dev-:

poop: ok? make sensse now?

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dev-:

=]

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poop:

Can you just shut everyone else up until you finish your point?

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dev-:

lol

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netrix:

poop: sry, avsform for rogers digital terminal info you mean?

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|Slurpee|:

so if i go the firewire box way......i dont need any cards??? or i still need to buy the sd card ?

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dev-:

netrix: im sure you know burnin depends on what you do with them. just watching tv isnt going to cause burnin... just pausing a game for 20 minutes isnt going to fcause burnin. but try putting your terms in the sapem spot on your displays for a few weeks and watch what happens. oh, and dont turn them off.

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netrix:

dev-: i understand that. however my desktop system is a WinXP box with three displays hooked up to it. the one on my left has outlook and terminal running 24x7 no burn in ...

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netrix:

dev-: and this is the same config for about 4 years. <shrug>

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dev-:

netrix: excellent. that doesnt mean lcds are less prone to burnin than projectiors

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dev-:

god damn lag, typeing like shit ;p

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netrix:

dev-: i think you misunderstood.

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tanq:

man..

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|Slurpee|:

damn now im confused about this hd card haha

[19:48:00]

netrix:

dev-: cetrain projects state right in the manual to not hookup certain devices. many explicitly say don't hook up your xbox to this thing and stuff like that.

[19:48:00]

netrix:

dev-: the nice thing about the majority of lcd pj's is they are fine with that type of stuff.

[19:48:00]

dev-:

netrix: havent seen one of those in years :P

[19:48:00]

dev-:

not since the 80's anyway

[19:48:00]

netrix:

dev-: if you go out and drop $25k on a CRT based Runco and hook up your xbox you'll trash it.

[19:49:00]

netrix:

anyhoo.

[19:49:00]

dev-:

crt isnt even a projector

[19:49:00]

netrix:

something to think abouit if your project shopping.

[19:49:00]

dev-:

where are you going with this

[19:49:00]

netrix:

dev-: sure it is.

[19:49:00]

netrix:

dev-: crt based projectors?

[19:49:00]

dev-:

cathon ray tube is a standard tv

[19:49:00]

netrix:

dev-: ever seen the projectors with the three "blubs" in them? crt.

[19:50:00]

dev-:

yes, in the 80's

[19:50:00]

netrix:

http://www.runco.com/OP_CRT.html

[19:50:00]

poop:

Slurpee: You only need an STB and a firewire port

[19:50:00]

netrix:

no it's not.

[19:50:00]

netrix:

dev-: you don't seem to know much about projectors.

[19:50:00]

netrix:

definatley not '80s.

[19:50:00]

dev-:

i only use dlps

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poop:

High-end projectors are still CRT

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laga:

(what does "anyhoo" mean?)

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netrix:

poop: fsck! thank you.

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|Slurpee|:

netrix, stb – pvr-150 ???

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poop:

Although there are some expensive DLPs

[19:51:00]

netrix:

netrix: huh?

[19:51:00]

poop:

He's cracked

[19:51:00]

netrix:

hah.

[19:51:00]

netrix:

i am cracked.

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netrix:

|Slurpee|: whats thsat?

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|Slurpee|:

what is a stb ?

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netrix:

|Slurpee|: set top box?

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|Slurpee|:

what is that

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netrix:

poop: i think the scale goes lcd, dlp, crt from inexpesive to expensive tho.

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dev-:

you also have to look at common sense though

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dev-:

if you 're not putting up a 75ft screen why go with crt

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dev-:

not many people have 75ft walls they;'re going to watch tv on

[19:54:00]

netrix:

dev-: contrast.

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netrix:

dev-: you can't beat crt's for contrast ratio.

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dev-:

you can if you're not going to watch it on a 50–100ft wall

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dev-:

you would want to spend thousands of dollars more just so you can fiddle with the contrast more?

[19:57:00]

dev-:

its a great argument sure, but its not realistic

[19:57:00]

dev-:

if you have yourself a giant ass wall, again, 50ft-100ft, then that crt projector is the way to go

[19:57:00]

dev-:

for anyone else in a normal house, it does not make sense.

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|Slurpee|:

at least tell me this ...... http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=13710 will that work with hd if I put an extra gig of ram in ?

[19:59:00]

mofu:

|Slurpee|: what's the front side bus on the Sempron 3000?

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mofu:

does it have dual channel memory?

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laga:

who needs dual channel for a mythtv box? ;)

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netrix:

dev-: like all things it depends on what you can afford. if I had a lot more money i'd be driving a Porsche GT3 and a Runco 940 instead of an RSX and Sony HS10. why, because based on technical merits they are better.

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|Slurpee|:

mofu, i have no idea

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netrix:

dev-: it has nothing to do with room size.

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netrix:

dev-: if you were a film buff with lots of cash crt any day.

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|Slurpee|:

http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=14545

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mofu:

I think dual channel makes a difference if you are on the edge processor wise . . . .

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Bonkers:

how do you drive a runco 940?

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netrix:

lol.

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|Slurpee|:

actually that comobo, is 30 cheaper because it doesnt come with ram

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|Slurpee|:

they want 30 bux for 256 3200 ddr

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dev-:

netrix: you also need an entire room for it, whereas lcd and dlp you do not. why do you need an entire room you ask, because you cant have a single freaking window

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|Slurpee|:

its onl 18 bux for 256 ddr on price watch

[20:01:00]

dev-:

i raced an rsx-type s the other day./ blew it away

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Bonkers:

of ram that may or may not work and then will break in a day

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|Slurpee|:

mofu, what do you mean on the edge processor wise. you think my cpu speed should be higher ??

[20:01:00]

dev-:

im sure he was wondering how an audi a4 1.8tqm pwned him

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mofu:

512 seems to be ok w/ HD

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Bonkers:

I always get crucial.com ram, not much more expensive, guaranteed to work, lifetime warranty

[20:02:00]

|Slurpee|:

yea we get crucial at my work

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mofu:

I have a 2.8Ghz Celeron D/533 Mhz FSB/512 MB Dual Channel in my HD box

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|Slurpee|:

u think it coudl work under 2.8 ?

[20:02:00]

poop:

You can usually find some branded ram on sale at newegg.

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poop:

pricegrabber.com is a bit nicer than pricewatch.com too

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|Slurpee|:

im going to go with 1 gig of ram

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netrix:

dev-: i give up, apparently you think you know everything about projectors.

[20:03:00]

mofu:

Some people have decent luck w/ Athlon 2400+

[20:03:00]

mofu:

Nvidia is a must have though

[20:03:00]

netrix:

dev-: but whats funny is you didn't know they still made crt pj's. do some reading dude.

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mofu:

for video

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|Slurpee|:

well this is the 3000+

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|Slurpee|:

so my cpu should be fine ?

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poop:

Doesn't the nice, bright CRT mean you can have a little more light than a cheap LCD?

[20:04:00]

|Slurpee|:

specially with 1 gig of 3200 ddr

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dev-:

netrix: no, i know i dont. its just your argument is "if i had a bunch of money id want one!" — thats great and all, but you should still consider functionality. yes, if i had a giant mansion with a great big basement id get a crt projector, but since i have normal rooms that have normal ambient light a crt projector does not make snse at all

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poop:

Slurpee: My athlon64 3000+/ 512GB seems to be doing HD adequately

[20:04:00]

poop:

512MB

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|Slurpee|:

well its not much more for 1 gig

[20:04:00]

|Slurpee|:

57 bux on price watch with free shipping

[20:05:00]

poop:

Slurpee: yeah, get as much as you can

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dev-:

netrix: actually, i just did some reading. most common complaint about crt projectors is ambient light. so go built yourself a dark room big enough to hold one and you're set. otherwise, lcd/dlp make more sense

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|Slurpee|:

so ill have ahtlon 3000+, 1 gig ddr, and mobo for under 200

[20:05:00]

mofu:

the Sempron64/3000 is 800 mhz FSB, you should have plenty of bandwidth

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netrix:

dev-: that wasn't my argument. for the best picture quality crt all the way, has nothing to do with money except for the fact i can't afford one.

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mofu:

add a FX5200 and you should be all set

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dev-:

netrix: picture quality means nothing if you cant see it

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|Slurpee|:

fx5200 is the nvida card ?

[20:06:00]

mofu:

yeah, just ask a blind person

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Manolis:

Hello – MythWeb shows "NO DATA" for all channels, but the EPG shows all the data correctly. Any ideas?

[20:06:00]

poop:

Kind of tricky using the same source (STB) for analog and digital capture (no locking on the two capture methods)

[20:06:00]

poop:

Slurpee: yeah, (often) fanless

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mofu:

|Slurpee|: yep, I think they run about $35 these days

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marcus2_ is now known as marcus2

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|Slurpee|:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . mp;CatId=880

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netrix:

dev-: whatever dude, you stay misinformed. i'm done with this topic.

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|Slurpee|:

35 on tiger direct, where i am order 2 250gig drives for 69 each

[20:07:00]

dev-:

netrix: http://hometheater.about.com/cs/television/a/aavprojectora.htm <-- have fun.

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|Slurpee|:

so i have my cpu/mobo/memory/video card. what else do i need

[20:08:00]

|Slurpee|:

do i need a second video card ?

[20:08:00]

|Slurpee|:

or capture card or something

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dev-:

tv can be recorded to disk via brainwaves

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dev-:

so... should be set!

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netrix:

dev-: whatever.

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mofu:

|Slurpee|: where were planning on getting HD from??

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|Slurpee|:

rcn

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|Slurpee|:

cable

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netrix:

|Slurpee|: whats rcn?

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Manolis:

MythWeb shows "NO DATA" for all channels, but the EPG shows all the data correctly. Any ideas?

[20:12:00]

|Slurpee|:

smaller cable company in chicago

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|Slurpee|:

they do the cable for big high ride buildings

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netrix:

|Slurpee|: ah.

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|Slurpee|:

but i know i can get hdtv packages

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mofu:

Manolis: check date/time on all computers involved

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|Slurpee|:

what else do i need

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|Slurpee|:

hardware wise

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|Slurpee|:

power supply i guess .

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mofu:

|Slurpee|: you either need a firewire card or an HD card

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Manolis:

mofu: thanks for the idea, both are set to the same date/time

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netrix:

hm. i don't think mythwebbrowser looks too bad. any way to make it use a proxy server?

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|Slurpee|:

i was just told i need a firewire port to connect to a hd cable box i get from my cable comapny

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|Slurpee|:

so i still need a pchdtv card ?

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mofu:

port/card whatever

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xris:

|Slurpee|: firewire or pchdtv...

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mofu:

not if you use FW

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|Slurpee|:

well that mobo doesnt have firewire, but pci firewire cards are 7.5 with 3 ports

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xris:

and maybe an ir blaster if your cable box can't be controlled via firewire/serial

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|Slurpee|:

will i need a sd card ?

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|Slurpee|:

i dont have an hdtv yet

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mofu:

an extra sd card will give you some extra flexibility

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xris:

depends on whether or not your provider puts SD signal out the firewire port or not

[20:16:00]

|Slurpee|:

well since i dont have the tv yet and wont have the tv for some months

[20:16:00]

|Slurpee|:

should i jsut build it for sd and upgrade it when i get my tv ?

[20:16:00]

mofu:

one STB = one recording source

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mofu:

|Slurpee|: pvr150 cards are only $70–75, if you've never done a MythBox you might want to start there

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|Slurpee|:

k

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|Slurpee|:

im going to add the firewire ports either way.... but i wont have to use it till i want to use hdtv ?

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|Slurpee|:

http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?src=PW&item=73418 ??

[20:18:00]

tanq:

so i have a pvr 150 that I had working.. i installed lircd and now i'm getting snow

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tanq:

i don't know what got screwed up so I started over with ivtv and i keep ending up with snow

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dev-:

i hate snow, especially shoveling it

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tanq:

hey dev- ...

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dev-:

could be your tuner isnt getting autodetected

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dev-:

dmesg will show that when the module is loaded

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dev-:

then if its that, you can set it appropriately in modules.conf

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mofu:

tanq: I'd bet eeprom is getting loaded before tveeprom . . .

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tanq:

i don't think i even have eeprom listed in modules

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mofu:

you're using on-card remote jack??

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tanq:

yeah

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mofu:

i2c is probably pushing eeprom

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|Slurpee|:

what about a remote and ir port for the remote ????

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mofu:

check lsmod and dmesg

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tanq:

nothing in

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mofu:

nothing in lsmod?

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tanq:

nothing in lsmod

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tanq:

sorry my irssi almost freaked out again

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mofu:

lsmod has to show SOMETHING

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tanq:

tveeprom

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tanq:

i meant no eeprom

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tanq:

why is bttv getting loaded is my question

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mofu:

ok, what does dmesg tell you about loading ivtv

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tanq:

well dmesg is spammed with i2c_adapter i2c-0: master_xfer[0] R, addr=0x44, len=1

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tanq:

a bunch of limes like that and then it show the card being initialized

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mofu:

tanq: stop bttv from loading

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tanq:

mofu: i don't even know what has it loaded in the first place.

[20:23:00]

tanq:

what dist are you running?

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mofu:

you have a bttv card??

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mofu:

debian

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tanq:

so i'm not even loading bttv how do I keep it from loading

[20:24:00]

tanq:

and do i need eeprom to load?

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tanq:

fyi this is 2.6.14 and PVR 150

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mofu:

does your distro use /etc/discover.conf ??

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tanq:

i'm using gentoo and no

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tanq:

i have a modprobe.conf and modules.conf

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tanq:

to keep it simple

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mofu:

why do Gentoo newbs have so many problems . . . .?

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tanq:

i'm not a newb

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dev-:

hahahaha amen

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mofu:

you should be fine then

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tanq:

well for one i tried to take the easy way out and emerge ivtv and lirc.. just my luck they both have errors

[20:27:00]

tanq:

so i installed from tarball and i had each working independentl

[20:27:00]

tanq:

y

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tanq:

but can't get ivtv working again.

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mofu:

too bad the package manager doesn't F'in work

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tanq:

i tried to go really simple and just rmmod everything. and modprobe ivtv by itself which worked the first time.

[20:28:00]

dev-:

gentoo's portage isnt so bad.. usually the problem is between the keyboard and the chair

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tanq:

and doent worknow.

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tanq:

brb.. baby is waking up.

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|Slurpee|:

whats differnt between pvr-150 250 350

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jcsmith:

slurpee: from what i gathered the 150 and the 250 are very similar, the 150 is newer and the 350 can do output as well as input

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|Slurpee|:

what would the advantages of output and input be ?

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dev-:

output goes out

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dev-:

input goes in

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dev-:

sometimes thats an advantage

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dev-:

if the output goes in and input goes out, then you got some disadvantages

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tanq:

ok back

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|Slurpee|:

well if it does output

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|Slurpee|:

that means i dont have to put a basic video card ?

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poop:

yeah, but a basic video card is useful for things other than sdtv

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poop:

Aren't you going to do HD anyway?

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|Slurpee|:

decided not to

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|Slurpee|:

figure ill upgrade when i get my hdtv

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|Slurpee|:

so now im confused as to which video cards i need

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|Slurpee|:

i need 2 cards ?

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poop:

heh

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dev-:

i think you need a tivo

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poop:

If you get a cheap FX5200, it'll be quiet and fast enough for HD (and some games) later

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mofu:

no reason not to get hd-ready hardware

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poop:

indeed

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poop:

fuck, livetv just kills the backend

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mofu:

remember, keep it quiet

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mofu:

poop? hd?

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|Slurpee|:

well i will get the hd hardware now

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|Slurpee|:

and be ready

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|Slurpee|:

so then i will need 3 cards ?

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|Slurpee|:

fx5200, pvr-150, ?

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mofu:

possibly

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|Slurpee|:

fx5200 will be my basic video card

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mofu:

my backend has pvr250 x3

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|Slurpee|:

or i need to buy another video card

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dev-:

you shuld save yourself the hassle and just get a tivo heh. or dvr offered by your cable company

[20:46:00]

dev-:

you may be getting a little over your head here... no offense.

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mofu:

true

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Juski:

a tip might be to try building a working mythtv system on a spare box if you have one, just to get the hang of it

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mofu:

|Slurpee|: do you have an old computer you can experiment w/ before you drop madd cash??

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mofu:

Juski: great minds . . .

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dev-:

mmm, brains

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Juski:

test it out to see if you like mythtv first, or it'll be a lot of expense (and possibly hassle) for nothing (or Windows)

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poop:

mofu: I have one bttv and one firewire source defined

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poop:

The thread that actually should be starting the recording doesn't log anything.

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poop:

2005-12–11 15:44:55.913 ERROR opening file in ThreadedFileWriter.

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mofu:

you're sure the backend is running?

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poop:

It runs until that last entry

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mofu:

err, yeah, you said it killed it

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mofu:

svn or 18?

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poop:

18.1

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poop:

This Triangle movie on Sci-fi is pretty interesting so far

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feld:

okay guys this is my problem

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feld:

after about ~2 days of uptime mythtv goes whack

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feld:

nothing wrong with any processes eating up CPU or anything — its perfectly stable there

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mofu:

feld: system details . . .

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mofu:

MB, Proc, Mem, Distro

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feld:

theres tons of artifacts and i cannot fix it without a reboot.

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mofu:

artifacts in the video playback??

[21:09:00]

feld:

MB is an ECS... something. Nforce2 chipset. xp 3000+ 333fsb proc, running STABLE Gentoo

[21:09:00]

feld:

mofu: playback and recording.

[21:09:00]

feld:

only affects TV. videos are fine.

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dev-:

had the same thing happen to one of my backends, turned out to be heat

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mofu:

feld: are the artifacts in the recording??

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feld:

PVR-250

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feld:

mofu: yes

[21:10:00]

feld:

its not heat — its cold in here and the case is open

[21:10:00]

mofu:

like dev- said, expect heat or power

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feld:

if i reboot it right now it goes away

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feld:

for about 2 days, anyway.

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mofu:

using on-board video?

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feld:

no using a MX4000

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feld:

400 watt power supply

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mofu:

have you run memtest86?

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Juski:

what make of '400W' PSU? and what's the combined load output of it? 400W on just the 12V rail does nobody any good ;)

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feld:

not recently but it shouldnt matter — gentoo has compiled flawlessly and the box is multi-use. its also a fileserver, webserver, irc proxy, distcc, and more

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LighTer:

http://wretchedgaming.co.nr/

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feld:

i would not have been able to compile ANYTHING with bad ram — i've been there before. but i can easily reboot and choose memtest86 which i may do.

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feld:

the power supply... let me check

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Baylink:

Maybe it's 5VDC @ 80A. :-)

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Juski:

l@m3r, LighTer

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_willcooke_:

Juski, I think that's 400W on the AC side, 400W's at 12v would be huge current

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Juski:

you have to watch these PSU guys

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dev-:

feld: you useing 18.1?

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mofu:

feld: so, when you reboot, a recording from just before the reboot shows the artifact issue?

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feld:

dev-: yes

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feld:

mofu: yes

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feld:

anything recorded while this is happening has it in the recording.

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mofu:

ivtv 0.4 w/ correct firmware?

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dev-:

hrm. it totally sounds like the same problem i had a while back when i had 2 pvr250's in a mini-atx case and not enough ventilation... moved the tuners to a mid-tower and the problem went away. they were also very hot to the tough

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feld:

0.4.0-r2

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dev-:

touch

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Juski:

no _willcooke_: they usually say how much the PSU will run flat out, then give you a combined output (useful output).. so some '350W' supplies might only be capable of giving 200W on +12V, and +5V at the same time

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feld:

i really dont know crap about the firmware — it has "just worked"

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feld:

dev-: if it was a heat problem why would a reboot fix it immediately?

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feld:

the heat would still be there

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mofu:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

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dev-:

you could be recording on them alot and that small reboot time gives them enough time to cool down..

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feld:

i've even tried unloading all modules and insmod-ing them and doesnt do anything.

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dev-:

but for me the problem came up at different intervals, not just every 2 days

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mofu:

anything in the backend logs?

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dev-:

so yours is probably something different./

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_willcooke_:

Juski, ok. Blimey, 400W's for a computer, what ever happened to a good old 12v adapter

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feld:

nothing in the mythbackend logs except crap about retrieving channel data

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mxktmdude:

is there a way to start the mythfrontend from the remote?

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dev-:

feld: ah, then its not heat. i would get artificat messages about damage frames and the like in the backened logs..

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feld:

yup

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Juski:

well, there's the possibility of having two of the Emperor's new Graphics cards, 5 platter HDDs & all that ricing kit to eke more frags per milliflop.. so some need all that ;)

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dev-:

artifact. damn lag heh

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feld:

thats what i was expecting to find

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mofu:

mxktmdude: would have to have irxevent running

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quantum:

what is irxevent

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feld:

i *suppose* i could reboot it and do a memtest

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quantum:

ahh, well can two programs use lirc dev at the same time

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feld:

and get back to u guys

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feld:

but i do not believe that is a problem.

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feld:

and then i'll have to wait 2 days to get the problem again to diagnose it lol :)

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mxktmdude:

quantum: i was just gonna ask the same question ;)

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mofu:

is google broken??

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dev-:

LOL

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quantum:

I am thinking no

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dev-:

=]

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dev-:

or man irxevent

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quantum:

yeah I got an out of memory error and crashed google

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mxktmdude:

http://www.lirc.org/html/irxevent.html

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mofu:

lol

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mxktmdude:

i got an asp error :/

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quantum:

no google works for me

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feld:

mofu: all the firmware is in /lib/modules — gentoo fetched it for me.

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Juski:

since _when_ should searching on a shop site for 'pvr150' bring up a bunch of results for XFX graphics cards? uhhhhh

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feld:

NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded!

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feld:

hrm... well actually nm that

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feld:

i guess if it was a vid card problem it would happen with anything i watch

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feld:

it87: Found IT8712F chip at 0x290, revision 5

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feld:

it87 3–0290: Detected broken BIOS defaults, disabling PWM interface

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feld:

^^ what is that though?

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Juski:

feld: a fan controller?

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feld:

i dont have one

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Juski:

feld: it's a temp sensor & fan controller chip

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feld:

oh ic

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Goshen:

juski: get a PVR 500, you get two channels on one card :)

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Juski:

feld: also keyboard, floppy, smartcard, parallel port...serial ports...

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Juski:

big motherboard chipset kinda thing by the look of it, feld ;)

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Juski:

Goshen: I only need the one input, and it's for my cable box

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Goshen:

Juski: put one on the cable box, and another on standard cable :)

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Juski:

Goshen: analog cable stinks

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Goshen:

looks good where I am from

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Juski:

and the pvr500 is more than twice the price of a 150

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Juski:

so erm... if I can find one I'm getting a 150 soon

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Juski:

;)

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Juski:

that'll be 'fun' I expect

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Juski:

anyhoos – time to watch some mythtv.. top gear's on when I sit down

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poop:

I only get a handful of channels if I don't use the comcast box.

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poop:

bastards

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mofu:

poop: what's a handful??

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mofu:

I don't think I'm really missing much w/o a Comcast Digital box here, of course HBO is not an option w/o anymore

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bobc:

I get about 70 channels here without a cable box. we're happy with that.

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mofu:

me 3

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mofu:

me 2

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mofu:

plus I can get ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, WB, and Discovery HD w/ dvb card

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_willcooke_:

Oh great. The ubuntu packages dont seem to have mtd.

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bobc:

I have one channel on my remote backend that is lousey, but everything else looks good.

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dev-:

im fortunate, get about 80 channels with no box

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dev-:

makes it easy to have 4 tuners

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dev-:

dont need 4 boxes heh

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bobc:

what would make ONE channel look bad. the same channel on my master backend looks fine. I'm guessing either bad coax or interference.

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dev-:

i used to alwyas think there was nothing on tv. but after searching for shows and getting recurring recordings... i have more tv to watch then possible without timestretching heh

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dev-:

s/getting/setting

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dev-:

bobc: hrm, not sure, guess its not your freq if the other channels look fine

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mofu:

might just be a quirk of that tuner card

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mofu:

any open splitters??

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dev-:

that would affect all channels no?

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bobc:

not on that coax run

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mofu:

if you move the box to the other coax outlet/feed does the problem go away?

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bobc:

haven't tried it

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mofu:

probably a pain, I know

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_willcooke_:

Juski, you were right about "Space Cadets", it's arse

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dhofstra:

I have my first myth setup working now using SVIDEO on nvidia card. When I come back to the pc after several hours, it is on blue screen until I move the mouse... would removing the option "DPMS" in xorg.conf fix this you think?/

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bobc:

Ineed to try a tv hooked up to it too to see what it looks like

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mofu:

dhofstra: I think so

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dhofstra:

cool thanks

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poop:

mofu: < 40 iirc, but my analog service has >= 80

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poop:

"analog"

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poop:

Whatever it is that my teevee can't tune

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dhofstra:

also, I was going to put 'mythfrontend' in my .xsession file so all the pc loads is Myth ... but when I do this, it reqires a login.. .any way to autologin when using the .xsession file?

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mofu:

dhofstra: let me find a link for you

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dhofstra:

kewl

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dev-:

google must be down again

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mofu:

dhofstra: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2003-August/011452.html

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dhofstra:

thanks man

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dhofstra:

I prolly should've looked it up myself... damn I'm turning into one of those people that ask first... never again

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mofu:

in debian I have to un-install xdm to get this to work correctly

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mofu:

dhofstra: actually its missing the addition to your window manager rc file

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dhofstra:

ok

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dhofstra:

I was just thinking, i prolly couldnt VNC into the box then, though

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dhofstra:

(for maintenance) yeah, I know SSH ... but I'm a gui man

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mofu:

#/home/mythtv/.xinitrc

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mofu:

blackbox &

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mofu:

mythfrontend

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mofu:

yes, ssh

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mofu:

lol

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tanq:

man.. ugh..

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tanq:

so now i thought i had it nailed.. and mplayer says playing /dev/video0 but a screen doesnt even pop up

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tanq:

ok so now i'm getting this error ivtv0-osd: Specified card (id 0) is either not present or does not support TV out

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poop:

2005-12–11 17:52:06.324 Failed to find channel(833) on any input of card (2).

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poop:

So why is it in my guide?

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poop:

(as it should be)

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tanq:

the guide isnt the same thing as the tuner card

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tanq:

you could have channel 40000 in your guide

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dev-:

pvr's have 128 channel tuners in them or something

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tanq:

dev-: which pvr do you have?

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dev-:

4 250's

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tanq:

i've just about given up on this

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tanq:

http://pastebin.ca/33330

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tanq:

am i missing anything in this lsmod output?

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poop:

I wouldn't expect limits on my firewire input.

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Juski:

_willcooke_: Top Gear tonight... O M F G ! That Bugatti monster :D

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dev-:

bugatti veyron is amazing

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dev-:

wish i could drive one for just 5 minutes =]

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** Juski wonders if some numbers came up for him this weekend **

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dev-:

for now id settle for a ferarri enzo

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dev-:

hehe

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dev-:

amazing how just a brake job for the enzo runs 12,000

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dev-:

$

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dev-:

(american)

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Juski:

*how* much? lol

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dev-:

yeah, its all ceramic

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dev-:

amazing car though

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Juski:

it'd have to be

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dev-:

unlike the veyron its actually alive and out there and for sale hehe

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Juski:

1000 BHP though.. makes my little putt-putt seem an ever bigger joke, but it'd not get me to work any faster

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dev-:

hehehe

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Juski:

but I can dream :D

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dev-:

not to mention of veyron burns 1.33gallons of gas per minute

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Juski:

or as the programme presenter put it.. £100 of fuel in 10 minutes, flat out

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dev-:

its quite an amazing car

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Juski:

dev: that's quite an understatement ;)

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Juski:

aaaanyway...

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dev-:

hehe

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dgilmore:

anyone here running myth on 64bit FC4

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dgilmore:

i have started having an issue where im unable to record a single show

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dgilmore:

all shows files are 0 byte files

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dgilmore:

once show is done i have to restart the backend to watch tv

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dgilmore:

i can cat /dev/video0 >test.mpeg and watch it ok

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tweak_st:

cat /dev/beep

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eidolon:

hey folks, anyone have a problem with USB joysticks (multiple ones) coming up in sort of random device order? I'd like to have /dev/js0 always be one joystick, /dev/js1 be another, and so on... right now if joydev gets reloaded or the usb bus gets reset for anything, all the device numbers get wonked.

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

so i'm using the SVN version, and I ran out of space when watching livetv... i'm a little curious as to what exactly happened, as I had previously paused the show and was trying to catch up when i ran out

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Chutt:

turn up autoexpire

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Chutt:

to tell it to make sure you have a gb or two of free space

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dhofstra:

Ok, get this, I have added the line to /etc/sudoers to allow me to run mythfrontend with root privilages and no password.. works from the command line, works from an Icon I made in the desktop, but DOESNT work from the ~/.kde/Autostart directory on boot...

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

it was using like 1.5g for half an hour

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

is that right or is my encoding settings set too high?

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JoeyJoeJo:

my backend has all of a sudden started giving errors when it starts to transcode and commercial flag.

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JoeyJoeJo:

it used to work perfectly, but then all of a sudden it stopped

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mofu:

dhofstra: kde autostart . . . ?blech

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dhofstra:

sorry

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dhofstra:

seems like it does not work until I put a password in once, and now it works every time except when rebooted needs a password again

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dgilmore:

dhofstra: your better off setting it with suid privliges so mythfrontend just runs as root

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dgilmore:

chmod +s <path to>/mythfrontend

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dgilmore:

then just running mythfrontend it will have root priliges

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dhofstra:

cool i'll try that right now!

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dhofstra:

nope didnt work

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dhofstra:

'realtime priority would require SUID as root

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dhofstra:

I just have to enter sudo password once somewhere (even in a terminal, and from then on, it works..) strange

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dhofstra:

i'll just enter a passworde every time it reboots then.. shouldnt be too often

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Ginsu_Squirrel:

dhofstra: sudo has an option for no password

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dhofstra:

yes, in the sudoers file I entered my username all = nopasswd /usr/bin/mythfrontend

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