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Sunday, December 4th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] jono (n=jono@88-107-1-121.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) has joined #mythtv-users
[00:00:00] jono: hi all
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[00:07:00] simcop2387: daniel_bergamini: the Windows Media Center Extenders require you to use Microsoft Windows Media Center edition
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[00:08:00] daniel_bergamini: my bad
[00:08:00] daniel_bergamini: thought there were similar platforms that were linux compatible
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[00:23:00] simcop2387: daniel_bergamini: not with the Microsoft branded ones
[00:23:00] jono: my new box is up now :) some pics at p4jx7s2H
[00:23:00] jono: oops
[00:24:00] jono: at www.jonobacon.org
[00:24:00] simcop2387: that a password :)
[00:24:00] simcop2387: daniel_bergamini: but yea i believe you should be able to do a network booted one, only thing i don't know is how easy that is to setup
[00:24:00] jono: naa, a validation string
[00:24:00] simcop2387: suuuuureeee
[00:24:00] simcop2387: i bet its your root password
[00:24:00] jono: thats right yes, your so l33t :P
[00:24:00] simcop2387: lol
[00:25:00] daniel_bergamini: cool
[00:25:00] simcop2387: what themes are those? and howd you get the icons for the channels
[00:25:00] daniel_bergamini: better to just get a minipc?
[00:26:00] jono: they are juskin's themes
[00:26:00] jono: can't remember the name
[00:26:00] jono: I got the icons from a chap on here who created an icon pack for freeview channels
[00:27:00] simcop2387: hrm
[00:28:00] simcop2387: jono: can you check the name in the mythtv appearance setup? they look nice
[00:28:00] jono: simcop2387, I can't, I am in bed now
[00:28:00] simcop2387: ah
[00:28:00] jono: its downstairs
[00:28:00] jono: ask juskin when he is in
[00:28:00] vohfi: hello #mythtv-users
[00:28:00] jono: hi vohfi
[00:28:00] simcop2387: jono: k
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[00:29:00] vohfi: anybody here living in France and from numericable?
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[00:30:00] poonj: simcop2387, segfaults still. could it be that compiling requires the newest packages for compiling?
[00:31:00] poonj: I'm not quite sure what the differnce is
[00:31:00] poonj: because on one machine I just compiled it on
[00:31:00] simcop2387: poonj: run it under gdb and i can tell you why its segfaulting
[00:31:00] poonj: okay
[00:31:00] poonj: let me see
[00:32:00] poonj: give me a few minutes
[00:32:00] poonj: I'll let you know
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[00:33:00] bagpuss_thecat: anyone know if mythtv has upnp av support coming up, or available?
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[00:40:00] GreyFoxx: It's been talked about, but I think that's aqbout it
[00:46:00] simcop2387: upnp av?
[00:46:00] simcop2387: someone needs to make a channel browser like the one on my old directtv receiver, it displays all the channels icons (or call letters if no icon) and channel number in a "window" over the video with the name of the show as the "window title"
[00:48:00] simcop2387: yay i got channel icons~!
[00:48:00] poonj: http://pastebin.com/447826
[00:48:00] poonj: hey simcop2387, now I get that when I try to compile
[00:49:00] simcop2387: i'm not sure what that means, you haven't tried running it under gdb yet?
[00:49:00] daniel_bergamini: can you synchronize multiple backend server and or transfer shows back and forth?
[00:49:00] poonj: I uninstalled it..
[00:49:00] poonj: I have to recompile
[00:49:00] poonj: and now I'm running into all of these things
[00:50:00] simcop2387: i'm not sure what that means exactly
[00:50:00] daniel_bergamini: ok here's what I'm looking at
[00:50:00] daniel_bergamini: place in the city, rarely visited. record shows
[00:50:00] daniel_bergamini: live with pretty good satellite internet
[00:51:00] daniel_bergamini: record shows in the city, download when the link is up and play when the local machine is up
[00:51:00] simcop2387: ah looks like its due to gcc-3.4 it seems
[00:51:00] simcop2387: or 4.0 depending on what your using, 3.3 should accept it (its invalid C++)
[00:52:00] simcop2387: possibly
[00:52:00] simcop2387: what distro are you using?
[00:54:00] poonj: debian
[00:54:00] poonj: okay
[00:55:00] hadees: has anyone made any podcast plugins?
[00:55:00] poonj: okay
[00:55:00] bagpuss_thecat: simcop2387: upnp av is basically what MS are using for all their "Windows Media Connect" stuff
[00:55:00] poonj: its compiling
[00:55:00] bagpuss_thecat: linux seems to have gmediaserver available
[00:56:00] bagpuss_thecat: and http://www.cybergarage.org/blog/archive/2004_ . . . nnoblog.html seems to talk abotu having something written that combines mythtv and wmc/upnpav
[00:56:00] simcop2387: bagpuss_thecat: ah, $5 says its got drm involved
[00:56:00] bagpuss_thecat: the possibility exists, but doesn't seem to be exploited
[00:57:00] bagpuss_thecat: that's kinda like saying drm must be involved cos it uses tcpip
[00:57:00] bagpuss_thecat: upnpav is the transport and browsing mechanism
[00:57:00] simcop2387: its microsoft, they put evil things in there all the time :)
[00:58:00] bagpuss_thecat: but of course
[00:58:00] bagpuss_thecat: still doesn't stop people from using the upnp av spec
[00:58:00] GreyFoxx: there has been talk of upnp for detecting frontends and such, not I don't think anyone has actually written any code to do it
[00:59:00] GreyFoxx: daniel_bergamini: there is no built in mechanism to do what you describe
[00:59:00] GreyFoxx: daniel_bergamini: You would have to write something custom to do it. couple shell scripts to clone the recordings+sql data
[00:59:00] simcop2387: GreyFoxx: should be pretty easy to do with a cronjob
[01:00:00] GreyFoxx: simcop2387: Of that I have no doubt
[01:00:00] jams: I thought some work has been done on upnp but nothing committed
[01:00:00] simcop2387: though personally i'd probably requant the video/transcode it before i copy it
[01:00:00] GreyFoxx: jams if someone has done actual work on it they haven't said so on the lists
[01:00:00] simcop2387: unless you have alot of upload
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[01:01:00] dagfinnr: hello
[01:02:00] simcop2387: dagfinnr: YO
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[01:02:00] dagfinnr: i get some "errors" when starting mythbackend;
[01:02:00] dagfinnr: 005-12–05 02:01:48.434 Channel()::Open(): Can't open video device, error "Ingen slik fil eller filkatalog"
[01:02:00] dagfinnr: 2005-12–05 02:01:48.437 Channel()::Open(): Can't open video device, error "Ingen slik fil eller filkatalog"
[01:02:00] dagfinnr: 2005-12–05 02:01:48.440 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Television on card when setting channel 3
[01:02:00] dagfinnr: sorry if it was too much paste?
[01:02:00] GreyFoxx: 3 lines is ok
[01:02:00] dagfinnr: what do they mean?
[01:03:00] GreyFoxx: can you translate that error message to English for me ?
[01:03:00] simcop2387: sounds like either a permissions problem or settings wrong
[01:03:00] jams: pretty sure I saw it on the list, think it was in the development task list thread
[01:03:00] dagfinnr: no such file or directory
[01:03:00] GreyFoxx: jams: a wish list does not = code :)
[01:03:00] GreyFoxx: dagfinnr: Are you sure the drivers for your capture device have been properly loaded and the /dev entries created ?
[01:04:00] dagfinnr: i actually havent verified that the tv-card works or is detected pvr150..how can i check?).
[01:04:00] jams: http://www.cybergarage.org/net/cmgate/cc/index.html
[01:04:00] jams: not exactly what I was thinking of
[01:04:00] dagfinnr: i did set it up in mythtv-setup tho
[01:04:00] bagpuss_thecat: jams: that's the one
[01:05:00] bagpuss_thecat: ja, not quite, but shows that it is possible :-)
[01:05:00] dagfinnr: jams, was that link for me?
[01:07:00] dagfinnr: GreyFoxx, how can i check if the drivers are loaded and /dev entried created?
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[01:07:00] GreyFoxx: try lsmod
[01:07:00] GreyFoxx: and look to see if ivtv is loaded
[01:08:00] dagfinnr: er.. command not found for lsmod :/
[01:08:00] laga: /sbin/lsmod
[01:08:00] GreyFoxx: are you root? /sbin is usually not in a users path
[01:09:00] laga: right, but lsmod should work without root privileges. that's my experience, at least
[01:09:00] GreyFoxx: should work yes
[01:09:00] dagfinnr: worked with /sbin/lsmod :)
[01:10:00] dagfinnr: sbin/lsmod | grep ivtv
[01:10:00] dagfinnr: that should show if the module was loaded right?
[01:10:00] GreyFoxx: well, what is returned by that command ?
[01:11:00] dagfinnr: nothing
[01:11:00] dagfinnr: :/
[01:11:00] GreyFoxx: then ivtv isn't loaded
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[01:11:00] GreyFoxx: As root try "modprobe ivtv"
[01:11:00] witten: with a pcHDTV HD-2000 or HD-3000 card in Debian, how do I get /dev/dvb to show up?
[01:12:00] witten: I've got all the appropriate kernel module and a recent version of udev
[01:12:00] simcop2387: poonj: any luck?
[01:16:00] dagfinnr: GreyFoxx, /sbin/modprobe ivtv returned nothing-..bad or good?
[01:16:00] dagfinnr: i have this lines in modprobe.conf regarding the pvr150(not MCD dough):
[01:16:00] dagfinnr: ivtv (PVR-150MCE)
[01:16:00] dagfinnr: alias char-major-81 videodev
[01:16:00] dagfinnr: alias char-major-81–0 ivtv
[01:16:00] dagfinnr: alias tveeprom tveeprom-ivtv
[01:16:00] dagfinnr: alias tuner tuner-ivtv
[01:16:00] dagfinnr: alias msp3400 msp3400-ivtv
[01:17:00] GreyFoxx: dagfinnr: If there was no problem is should return nothing :)
[01:17:00] dagfinnr: good
[01:17:00] GreyFoxx: hrm, time for my daughters bath
[01:17:00] GreyFoxx: good luck! :)
[01:17:00] dagfinnr: thanks for help grey!
[01:17:00] dagfinnr: when trying lsmod i get ivtv now :)
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[01:20:00] dagfinnr: in capture cards menu in mythtv-setup..what ought to be the video device: .. i cannot select from a list here, so it seems that i got to write something
[01:21:00] dagfinnr: anyone?
[01:25:00] Exiles[m]: Gar!!!! I need someone with tv out experiance using nvidia cards
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[01:29:00] dagfinnr: how can i check if the system atleast know that it knows there is a pci card inserted?
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[01:37:00] dangral: hi. can someone send me a working /etc/lircd.conf and ./mythtv/lircrc with mplayer and xine keymappings worked out?
[01:37:00] dangral: This is for a PVR350
[01:39:00] jams: dangral- one moment
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[01:43:00] dagfinnr: strange..i see no video or simular in /dev..shouldnt there be?
[01:45:00] jams: dangral- http://chrome.homelinux.org/remotes/
[01:46:00] jams: dagfinnr- it might be /dev/v4l/video
[01:46:00] dagfinnr: i have no v41
[01:46:00] dagfinnr: i dont even know if fedora has found the pci card
[01:46:00] dagfinnr: how can i check?
[01:46:00] jams: dagfinnr- which card?
[01:46:00] dagfinnr: pvr150
[01:46:00] dagfinnr: hauppage
[01:46:00] jams: modprobe ivtv
[01:47:00] jams: that will load the driver for the card
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[01:47:00] dagfinnr: yes, i have tried that
[01:47:00] jams: lsmod |grep ivtv will show if the driver is loaded
[01:47:00] jams: or look at your dmesg output for clues as to what went wrong
[01:47:00] dagfinnr: ivtv 204308 0
[01:47:00] dagfinnr: i2c_algo_bit 9289 1 ivtv
[01:47:00] dagfinnr: videodev 9793 1 ivtv
[01:48:00] jams: ok so it looked loaded
[01:48:00] jams: what does dmesg say?
[01:48:00] jams: if it's long use pastebin.ca
[01:48:00] dagfinnr: ivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ====================
[01:48:00] dagfinnr: ivtv: version 0.4.0 (tagged release) loading
[01:48:00] dagfinnr: ivtv: Linux version: 2.6.14–1.1644_FC4 686 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-4.0
[01:48:00] dagfinnr: ivtv: In case of problems please include the debug info
[01:48:00] dagfinnr: ivtv: between the START INIT IVTV and END INIT IVTV lines when
[01:48:00] dagfinnr: ivtv: mailing the ivtv-devel mailinglist.
[01:49:00] dagfinnr: ivtv: ==================== END INIT IVTV ====================
[01:49:00] dagfinnr: hope it wasnt too long :/
[01:50:00] dagfinnr: seems that the msg in dmesg was ok jams?
[01:50:00] jams: modprobe tveeprom
[01:51:00] dagfinnr: nothing returned
[01:51:00] jams: look at dmesg
[01:51:00] dagfinnr: nothing new there
[01:52:00] jams: http://pastebin.ca/32304 <= successful init
[01:52:00] dagfinnr: oh ..
[01:53:00] dagfinnr: what do you have in modprobe.conf?
[01:53:00] jams: do an lscpi and look for Internext
[01:53:00] jams: that will tell you if the card is even noticed by the system
[01:54:00] jams: I don't have anything in modprobe.conf related to ivtv
[01:54:00] dagfinnr: not looking good ..
[01:55:00] jams: nothing with lspci?
[01:55:00] dagfinnr: no
[01:55:00] dagfinnr: gonna reboot to check if its proper inserted
[01:55:00] jams: good idea
[01:55:00] dagfinnr: i use a flex-pci riser
[01:55:00] dagfinnr: brb
[01:55:00] jams: dangral- find what you need?
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[01:55:00] dangral: jams – I didnt see something there for the new pvr-350 remote. what I'm looking for mostly is the .lircrc because xine and mplayer seem to only honor some of the button presses
[01:56:00] dangral: i.e. ffw and rew dont work
[01:57:00] jams: the lircrc file is there
[01:57:00] jams: for lircrc it shouldn't matter if it's an old remote or new remote. Just as long as the button names are the same
[01:58:00] dangral: jams – ok ill test it out
[01:58:00] jams: use irw to find the button names
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[01:59:00] dangral: A couple of other quick questions. When playing a DVD though the PVR350 the screen seems to be shifted to the left. I dont have this problem when watching TV or recorded programs
[01:59:00] dangral: I'm using xine for DVD playing
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[02:08:00] PaulWay: dangral: do you have any offset set in Myth?
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[02:15:00] dagfinnr: bloody flexible riser
[02:17:00] dagfinnr: i find the card in lspci now jams :)
[02:19:00] dagfinnr: which input is the antenna one ?
[02:20:00] dagfinnr: tuner0?
[02:21:00] dagfinnr: you asleep jams?
[02:22:00] dangral: Paulway- yes I do. I have the offset so that the X session shows up correctly on my TV screen
[02:27:00] jams: dagfinnr- yeah tunner0
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[02:28:00] jams: dagfinnr- yeah tunner0
[02:28:00] dagfinnr: ok
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[02:29:00] dagfinnr: when i started mythfrontend and choose watchtv the computer froze..black screen, and i had to reset it
[02:30:00] jams: I would first do a cat /dev/video0 >/tmp/out.mpeg
[02:30:00] dagfinnr: but jams, shuold i see the ivtv stuff at dmesg after a reboot too?
[02:30:00] jams: and then play /tmp/out.mpg with mplayer xine
[02:30:00] jams: dagfinnr- you would if the module was loaded
[02:31:00] jams: so modprobe ivtv and look in dmesg
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[02:32:00] dagfinnr: i dont see the ivtv stuff in dmesg now..
[02:32:00] dagfinnr: strange
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[02:33:00] dagfinnr: have any idea why jams?
[02:33:00] jams: is the module loaded?
[02:34:00] dagfinnr: yeah
[02:34:00] dagfinnr: atleast if i do the lsmod, i see ivtv
[02:34:00] jams: what about tveeprom?
[02:34:00] dagfinnr: ah
[02:34:00] dagfinnr: ivtv was in dmesg .but not a the bottom
[02:35:00] dagfinnr: ivtv0 warning: Encoder Firmware can be buggy, use version 0x02040011 or 0x02050032.
[02:35:00] dagfinnr: is this someting serious?
[02:36:00] jams: the recordings may be flakey
[02:36:00] jams: does that cat command work?
[02:36:00] dagfinnr: yeah
[02:37:00] dagfinnr: when i try: mplayer out.mpeg i get something green
[02:37:00] dagfinnr: dunno if its the mplayer background or what?
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[02:59:00] dagfinnr: obviosly there is something wrong with my display driver
[02:59:00] dagfinnr: whole systems hangs if i try to play mpeg files
[02:59:00] dagfinnr: i have a m10000 mb
[03:00:00] dagfinnr: is there any good drivers?
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[03:09:00] poonj: hey guys
[03:09:00] poonj: I'm getting this error
[03:09:00] poonj: //www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/msg45512.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@myth . . . sg45512.html
[03:09:00] poonj: anyone here have an idea what to solution should be?
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[03:20:00] poonj: this is pretty fucking frustrating
[03:20:00] poonj: it compiles on one machie
[03:20:00] poonj: but not on another
[03:21:00] GreyFoxx: Go old ccache info laying around? Have you done a make clean and rerun ./configure ?
[03:21:00] poonj: GreyFoxx, I'm getting some weird errors that doesn't exist on my ohter machien when I compile
[03:22:00] poonj: the only thing that is different is that the one machine I can't compile on has newer libraries
[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: That doesn't answer my questions :)
[03:22:00] poonj: I did
[03:22:00] poonj: I did do a make clean and a rerun of ./configure
[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: ok, any stale ccache info ?
[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: I've run into that several times
[03:23:00] poonj: stale casche?
[03:23:00] poonj: where does that exist?
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: stored in ~/.ccache
[03:24:00] poonj: in my home directory? I don't see a .ccache
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[03:24:00] GreyFoxx: the home of whichever user is doing the compiling
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[03:24:00] poonj: yeah
[03:24:00] poonj: I don't see anything..
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[03:24:00] GreyFoxx: if you don't have one then ccache moight not be installed and therefore not being used
[03:25:00] poonj: do I need it?
[03:25:00] GreyFoxx: no
[03:25:00] GreyFoxx: just makes regular compiling faster
[03:27:00] poonj: for example
[03:27:00] poonj: if I use gcc-3.4 on the new machine, I get an error for liblav
[03:27:00] poonj: liblava
[03:27:00] GreyFoxx: I have no idea what liblava is :)
[03:27:00] poonj: but when i do the same for the older machine, it compiles!
[03:27:00] poonj: libavcodec
[03:27:00] poonj: I'm sorry
[03:28:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[03:29:00] GreyFoxx: I don't know specifically what it could be. I've never run into that when ti wasn't a simple make clean/configure and clear the ccache problem
[03:29:00] poonj: GreyFoxx: I have NO idea
[03:29:00] poonj: it could be a broke debian package
[03:30:00] poonj: which isn't out of the question
[03:30:00] GreyFoxx: I wouldn't know
[03:30:00] poonj: its cool
[03:30:00] GreyFoxx: I don't use packages nor debian so I'm not up on any specific debian issues
[03:31:00] poonj: I'm gonna compile it on my other machine
[03:31:00] poonj: and transfer over the files
[03:31:00] poonj: and then from there, install it
[03:31:00] poonj: becuase there is no reason why it can't compile on one machine and not the other
[03:31:00] poonj: this is why I hate tarballs
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: and I hate packages, we all have our pain :)
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: heh
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[03:55:00] poop: craigslist.org/about/best/aus/111508160.html
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[03:57:00] KaiForce: anyone do a recent FC4/Jarod install??
[04:00:00] dft: KaiForce: I'm installing FC4 as we speak
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[04:01:00] KaiForce: dft: how far along?
[04:01:00] dft: :) disc 2
[04:01:00] KaiForce: ok
[04:01:00] KaiForce: are you following jarod's guide?
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[04:02:00] dft: KaiForce: yes
[04:02:00] KaiForce: dft: what capture card?
[04:03:00] dft: pvr250 w/silver remote
[04:04:00] KaiForce: ok, be forewarned, the latest kernel (1644) is missing ivtv I think – i had to back off to 1637
[04:04:00] KaiForce: maybe it was lirc – one of the two
[04:04:00] dft: can you not get the source and compile on 1644?
[04:04:00] KaiForce: axel couldn't get it to build on that kernel – maybe resolved since yesterday
[04:05:00] ** dft reboots for first run:) **
[04:05:00] dft: ahh, 1369 kernel from cd isos
[04:06:00] dft: so far so good
[04:06:00] KaiForce: two other issues: for some reason, lirc_i2c doesn't load, and lircd doesn't start as a result
[04:06:00] KaiForce: if i load manually, it fires right up
[04:06:00] poop: Anyone using snd_bt87x?
[04:07:00] KaiForce: second issue: after warm start, the capture cards don't work. cold start required. I've not seen that one before.
[04:08:00] dft: ok
[04:09:00] KaiForce: i'm going to work on these tonight, i'll post any result
[04:09:00] dft: cool
[04:09:00] KaiForce: hopefully you won't need :)
[04:09:00] dft: agreed
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[04:13:00] t00m: does gentoo assume that the system clock is set to GMT?
[04:13:00] kormoc: yes
[04:13:00] t00m: how can i change that?
[04:13:00] kormoc: edit /etc/conf.d/clock, add clock to your startup and edit /etc/rc.conf
[04:16:00] t00m: what am i supposed to put into rc.conf?
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[04:35:00] t00m: mythbackend gets really pissed if the time changes backwards
[04:36:00] t00m: it started recording a show which starts in 8 hours :)
[04:36:00] t00m: and now, because i set the time back and restarted the backend it still thinks that it's recording
[04:36:00] t00m: but it isn't
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[05:09:00] feld: hey guys how come some dvds have audio screwed up if u try to rip them with mythdvd or even preview them. they play just fine tho regularly. (i have xine set as the dvd player though)
[05:10:00] Kury: Hey can someone answer me a question about lirc.. when you run irrecord to make an lircd.conf ... does the lircd daemon need to be running?
[05:11:00] poonj: no
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[05:15:00] poonj: anyone here compile mythtv with gcc-4.0?
[05:15:00] GreyFoxx: What version ?
[05:15:00] GreyFoxx: of myth that is
[05:16:00] poonj: This app was compiled against libmyth version: 0.18.1.20050523–1
[05:17:00] poonj: GreyFoxx, thats what I get after getting the 0.18.1-fixes version of yth
[05:17:00] poonj: mythtv-setup won't start
[05:17:00] poonj: This app was compiled against libmyth version: 0.18.1.20050523–1
[05:17:00] poonj: 2005-12–03 21:15:38.724 but the library is version: 0.18.1.20050510–1
[05:17:00] poonj: 2005-12–03 21:15:38.724 You probably want to recompile everything, and do a
[05:17:00] poonj: 2005-12–03 21:15:38.724 'make distclean' first. exiting.
[05:17:00] GreyFoxx: well, mythtv 0.18.x vanilla wont compile under gcc4
[05:17:00] poonj: I need to get the svn version?
[05:17:00] poonj: for that, I used gcc-3.3?
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[05:18:00] GreyFoxx: IF you want to compile it with gcc4
[05:18:00] poonj: I mean I used gcc-3.3
[05:19:00] Dagmar: GreyFoxx: That shouldnt' come as any suprise. Myth is C++ after all
[05:23:00] GreyFoxx: poonj: Are you attempting to install this on a fresh machine with no previous instance of myth ?
[05:23:00] poonj: yeah
[05:23:00] poonj: actually
[05:23:00] poonj: no
[05:23:00] poonj: I had debian packages before
[05:23:00] poonj: and now I'm trying to build it from scratch
[05:23:00] GreyFoxx: and I assume you removed them before attempting to compile
[05:23:00] poonj: yeah
[05:23:00] poonj: but then I just saw that
[05:23:00] GreyFoxx: cause from the looks of that error it was building against a previously installed library
[05:23:00] poonj: libmyth-0.18.1 was still installed
[05:23:00] poonj: okay
[05:23:00] poonj: let me try again
[05:23:00] poonj: I just got rid of libmyth-q
[05:24:00] poonj: searching to make sure its all gone
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[05:35:00] witten: does anyone have an pcHDTV card working with DVB drivers?
[05:36:00] poonj: I do
[05:36:00] poonj: whats up
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[05:47:00] witten: poonj: do you know how to get udev to create the /dev/dvb devices?
[05:48:00] witten: I've got the drivers loaded, but no /dev/dvb/*
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[05:49:00] poonj: I'll send you a link on that
[05:49:00] poonj: the funny thing is
[05:49:00] poonj: I didn't realize that udev was installed on my system
[05:49:00] poonj: and then the firmware didn't load anymore
[05:49:00] witten: heh
[05:49:00] poonj: I didn't even know that until like 3 weeks ago
[05:49:00] poonj: and was wondering why my card didn't work
[05:49:00] poonj: but let me get you a link
[05:50:00] witten: ok cool
[05:50:00] witten: so it just magically worked for you when you started out? which linux distro?
[05:50:00] poonj: http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DigitalTelevisionDVB
[05:50:00] poonj: I used debian
[05:50:00] poonj: and it used to use hotplug
[05:50:00] poonj: hotplug worked very well
[05:51:00] poonj: the firmware loaded
[05:51:00] poonj: but I had initial trouble getting dvb to work
[05:51:00] poonj: but its now part of the kernel
[05:51:00] poonj: so life is a lot easier
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[05:52:00] witten: hmm, I've actually been using that link
[05:52:00] witten: do you use hotplug now? or udev?
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[05:54:00] poonj: I think I stuck with hotplug
[05:54:00] poonj: it just works well
[05:54:00] witten: hmm ok
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[06:16:00] Kury: If I'm installing LIRC on gentoo and I have a hauppauge PVT 350.. do I use the hauppauge driver or the hauppauge_dvb driver?
[06:16:00] lwizardl: jfreeman: enjoy :)
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[06:21:00] jfreeman: thanks lwizardl
[06:22:00] jfreeman: whats the best PVR to use with mythtv for minimal fuss and maximum viewing pleasure?
[06:22:00] jfreeman: max. compatibility without breaking the bank
[06:22:00] Dagmar: Anything made by Hauppage with the MPEG encoding
[06:22:00] Dagmar: Probably the PVR-500. $130 if you look around
[06:22:00] Dagmar: Dual tuners
[06:22:00] jfreeman: is it worth paying extra for the mpeg decoder?
[06:23:00] Dagmar: *encoder*
[06:23:00] Dagmar: If you have a machine that doesn't suck, it can play full-screen video just fine.
[06:23:00] jfreeman: haupage 350 – encoder/decoder
[06:23:00] Dagmar: 350 == single tuner tho
[06:23:00] Dagmar: The other end of that, turning video into compressed MPEG data, now that part is downright beastly.
[06:23:00] jfreeman: right, dual tuners = watch & record 2x channels
[06:24:00] Dagmar: It makes the MPG encoders on the PVR cards practically worth their weight in gold.
[06:24:00] jfreeman: I've got a athlon xp 2500 w/1gb
[06:24:00] Dagmar: jfreeman: Well, for me it means I can watch what I want without disturbing the unit recording things I want to watch later
[06:24:00] Kury: If I'm installing LIRC on gentoo and I have a hauppauge PVT 350.. do I use the hauppauge driver or the hauppauge_dvb driver?
[06:24:00] jfreeman: and a geforce 3 TI 500
[06:25:00] Dagmar: I *think* the backend might be recording something on my desktop right now.
[06:25:00] Dagmar: The CPU load is so low I can't really tell without calling up ps
[06:25:00] Dagmar: That frees up CPU for transcoding to tighter formats. (yay)
[06:26:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: so given the choice PVR 350 or PVR 500?
[06:26:00] GreyFoxx: honestly unless you are severly hurting for CPU the 350 is not worth the money or headaches
[06:26:00] Dagmar: jfreeman; Considering that I don't consider accellerated playback to be much of an issue since i've got XvMC, I'd go for the 500
[06:26:00] Dagmar: I went for the 500 just because I knew eventually I'd probably want to add a second tuner
[06:26:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: cool
[06:26:00] GreyFoxx: and if you have a XP2500 you don't need the decoder
[06:27:00] jfreeman: understood
[06:27:00] jfreeman: what's the story with compatibility of the MCE devices?>
[06:27:00] Dagmar: If you've used a bttv card before, the difference is like night to day
[06:27:00] jfreeman: are they just trouble?
[06:27:00] Dagmar: "MCE" just means you don't get a CD with Windows tuning software or a remote control.
[06:27:00] Dagmar: I spent $12 at WalMart for a generic One4All PVR-type remote
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[06:28:00] Dagmar: ...but that's all that the "MCE" part means. No remote, and no software. Just windows drivers
[06:28:00] jfreeman: ok
[06:29:00] poonj: hey guys
[06:29:00] jfreeman: PVR 500 = $AUD 330
[06:29:00] poonj: anyone here transcode their video recording?
[06:29:00] Dagmar: Yeah, but it's basically two 150's
[06:29:00] poonj: what is the best format and bit rate?
[06:30:00] jfreeman: 150's go for $286
[06:30:00] Dagmar: poonj: You'll have to find that out based on your own personal tolerances. Start with XviD tho, it's fairly tight and not patent enumbered.
[06:30:00] poonj: XviD: okay
[06:30:00] poonj: I'll check that out
[06:30:00] Dagmar: jfreeman; OKay, so you've kinda got a cost savings right there if you consider that you might want to actually add a second tuner at some point
[06:31:00] poonj: but the thing is....I've got some avi's that are only 350mb big
[06:31:00] poonj: and have really good quality
[06:31:00] Dagmar: AVI is not a codec.
[06:31:00] poonj: they are in Xvid, but on my machine
[06:31:00] poonj: it takes forever to transcode my HD recording
[06:31:00] Dagmar: I just know with the defaults I tend to see my video files go down to 50% their original size with XviD which is happy enough for me
[06:31:00] poonj: Dagmar, okay
[06:31:00] Dagmar: Transcoding will be _slow_
[06:32:00] poonj: I'm getting like 7–8FPS
[06:32:00] poonj: this is on a AMD 3000+
[06:32:00] Dagmar: Unless you're doing a transcode to the same format that just involves dropping data, it's going to be slow on anything
[06:32:00] poonj: gotcha
[06:33:00] Dagmar: Think back to the days when we had 120Mhz Pentiums and were desperate to tune the mp3 codec to have realtime playback without having to convert to wav
[06:34:00] Kury: is the pvr 350 the same as hauppauge_dvb ?
[06:34:00] Dagmar: No
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[06:35:00] jfreeman: anyone used the HAUPPAGE 1300; it has both digital and analog tv reception
[06:35:00] Kury: which model's are the hauppauge_dvb cards?
[06:35:00] Dagmar: The HD-xxxx cards, afaik
[06:35:00] Kury: K
[06:35:00] Kury: has anyone here installed LIRC on gentoo?
[06:35:00] Dagmar: jfreeman: I just heard about it a few days ago, haven't had time to do any research
[06:36:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: they're fairly cheap ($AUD 200) so I guess, cheap could mean crap
[06:37:00] Dagmar: jfreeman: Looks like the drivers for Myth might be lagged a bit as well. Google "Hauppage 1300" and look at the first link
[06:37:00] Dagmar: There's a lot of little yellow triangles there
[06:38:00] jfreeman: I'm seeing different results, bloody google.com.au
[06:38:00] Kury: Can someone help me installing LIRC in gentoo.. I've followed this.. but I get an errors http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_LIRC
[06:38:00] Kury: Errors: http://pastebin.com/447995
[06:40:00] mishehu: [decode_mpeg2.c] libmpeg2 acceleration: mmxext
[06:40:00] mishehu: Illegal instruction
[06:40:00] mishehu: anybody run transcode on em64t? it seems to fail on this.
[06:40:00] Dagmar: mishehu: You need to get someone to build a copy of those libraries for your type of CPU then
[06:42:00] Kury: are you talking to me?
[06:42:00] mishehu: Dagmar: it was all built from source.
[06:42:00] mishehu: I'm wondering if it's xvidcore's asm routines...
[06:42:00] mishehu: since I have yasm on the system, it built with them.
[06:43:00] Dagmar: Probably so unless you were rather explicit in how you built them
[06:43:00] Dagmar: You may have to disable mmx on that one
[06:46:00] mishehu: it's really a shame. I have it working on two of my athlon64's, and it literally doubled the framerate that it could process.
[06:46:00] mishehu: and this em64t is a dual proc xeon em64t
[06:48:00] Dagmar: Well that's good news for me then
[06:48:00] Dagmar: I'm about to install Slamd64 later tonight and begin checking all the DLG packages to make sure the proper flags are getting passed down to the compiler
[06:48:00] Dagmar: Lately I've just been crossing my fingers about that
[06:49:00] Dagmar: So far everything I've been compiling has been working okay on 32-bit machines, so at least I know the package scripts are working for i686
[06:49:00] Dagmar: I've been afraid I'd overlooked something and some package has managed to figure out I've got an amd64
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[06:51:00] jfreeman: where should I look for remote control hardware compatibility?
[06:54:00] Dagmar: It doesn't much matter.
[06:54:00] Dagmar: If you don't want to do any work, look around for other people's lircrc files on the web and what model remote they're using.
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[06:54:00] jfreeman: pretty much any usb remote will work? even the m$soft stuff?
[06:54:00] Dagmar: If you don't mind doing a littel work you can grab pretty much any off-the-shelf IR remote, use a simple IR reciever with it, and some of the lirc tools to make your own config to translate it for you
[06:54:00] Dagmar: Not USB. IR.
[06:55:00] Dagmar: I'm sure you've got at least one serial port lying around unused
[06:55:00] jfreeman: bucketloads :)
[06:56:00] Dagmar: The one *good* thing I can say about rolling your own lirc config is that you will become aware of exactly what buttons on your remote behave in a certain way
[06:56:00] Dagmar: It'll keep you from trying to do something silly, like assign a key that only emits a code when you press it to something that requires an indication that the button is *still* being pressed
[06:57:00] Dagmar: All buttons are not created equal.
[06:57:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: thanks for the advice
[06:58:00] Dagmar: jfreeman: If you like geeking out with hardware, lirc can actually be fun to mess around with
[06:58:00] Dagmar: I actually enjoyed the process of determining that the AST remote I had was crap, a few years ago
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[06:59:00] Dagmar: I scribbled up something to read the lirc device and used gnuplot to draw the pulses on the root window
[06:59:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: as long as it ends up working, I'm happy to do the research.
[06:59:00] Dagmar: ...and then I wound up just feeding that data into a perl script for numeric analysis
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[06:59:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: so why not usb remotes?
[07:00:00] mfork: I am trying the "Watch TV" option, and just get a screen that is green at the bottom with fuzz at the top. Any suggestions?
[07:00:00] mishehu: Dagmar: got slamd64 10.2 packages of many media libs and utils handy if you need.
[07:00:00] mishehu: they can be a bitch to compile, sometimes not linking properly. and I can't get x264 working, it seems like the static lib it produces doesn't honor -fPIC
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[07:01:00] Dagmar: jfreeman: because USB<->serial conversion is not quite as simple as it should be
[07:01:00] Dagmar: mishehu: Pfft. x264 and all it's ilk have serious problems going way beyond that at the moment
[07:01:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: that's a real bugger, because I'm having a hard time finding a non-usb remote
[07:01:00] Dagmar: I'd be more interested if you've found a clean way to get faac/faad2/mpeg4ip all to play together properly
[07:01:00] mishehu: I have ffmpeg cvs 2005-12–03, xvidcore 1.1.0b2, transcode 1.0.2, mjpegtools 1.8.0, a52dec, mpeg2dec, theora, etc etc etc
[07:02:00] mishehu: Dagmar: what's the other problems with x264 at the moment?
[07:02:00] Dagmar: jfreeman: All you need is a serial IR reciever dongle. You can get them for like $12 online (even ebay)
[07:02:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: aah right, and then you just get it to learn your existing remotes right?
[07:02:00] Dagmar: mishehu: Mainly the stuff you'd desperately want it to play (newer Quicktime) is skeeeetchy in if it works
[07:02:00] Dagmar: jfreeman: Yeah basically
[07:03:00] Dagmar: jfreeman: I got lucky and the One4All remote I had someone had already put an lircrc file up for it
[07:03:00] mishehu: Dagmar: ah well I never got as far as to do anything with the damn thing anyway. heh.
[07:03:00] mishehu: I'm curious to see how theora is. not much out there that is encoded with it.
[07:03:00] Dagmar: mishehu: The faac/faad2/mpeg4ip guys all need to sit down and synch up
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[07:03:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: cool
[07:03:00] mishehu: Dagmar: agreed.
[07:04:00] Dagmar: Half of them use parts of the others linked statically, and if you don't force them to use the exact same versions all compiled with the exact same options, there's a very good chance the moment they get linked into one thing you have a symbol collision or something even more entertaining that results in a segmentation fault
[07:04:00] Dagmar: As to all the rest, I just write very careful scripts to build them
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[07:04:00] Dagmar: I figure most of the stuff will hopefully work properly when I rebuild for slamd64
[07:05:00] Dagmar: Diffie and Paul Best have been a great help in having already been testing the scripts on their builds
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[07:08:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: cool, I found a Packard Bell Fastmedia remote control for $10 and it's a serial
[07:08:00] mfork: Anyone have any suggestions for me? I am trying the "Watch TV" option, and just get a screen that is green at the bottom with fuzz at the top.
[07:08:00] Dagmar: mfork: What card do you have?
[07:09:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: you've just saved my some serious heartache, thanks :)
[07:09:00] mfork: its a WinTV
[07:09:00] tanq: i'm about to try xawtv to make sure i can get my card working first..
[07:09:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: my == me
[07:09:00] Dagmar: mfork: You may want to look at what the bttv driver is saying in syslog when it's loaded. It sounds like it's misdetecting the tuner
[07:10:00] Dagmar: jfreeman: No problem
[07:10:00] mishehu: Dagmar: most of the stuff that I've been using works fine in slamd64. the only exception I've encountered so far was openoffice 1.1.4 freezing, quake3-quake4-doom3 launchers not working in kernel 2.6.14.x due to deprecated ioctl32's, and this xvidcore problem on the xeon.
[07:10:00] mfork: Dagmar all i see with bttv is "PLL can sleep, using XTAL (28636363)
[07:10:00] mishehu: and I'm trying a cvs snapshot of xvidcore now to see if it got fixed
[07:13:00] Dagmar: mfork: You've got a long road ahead of you then. You might want to get a flashlight and scribble down the numbers you see on any chips on the card that are larger than about 1/4 inch
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[07:13:00] Dagmar: ...although I think you may be missing some modules. Even my crippled 878 card said more than just one line when bttv loaded.
[07:14:00] Dagmar: It should be triggering the load of a few other modules as well
[07:14:00] mfork: Dagmar its a WinTV with a Bt878 chip
[07:14:00] mfork: which said it is well supported
[07:15:00] Dagmar: Yeah, but there's a lot of different actual tuner chips that can be on those, and they don't all work the same way
[07:15:00] mfork: ok
[07:15:00] Dagmar: It's not out of the question that something is being incorrectly detected or that you're missing modules you needed to build
[07:15:00] mfork: so the BT isn't the actual tuner chip?
[07:15:00] mfork: I installed using KnoppMyth
[07:15:00] Dagmar: Knowing the numbers on the chips weill make researching things easier
[07:16:00] Dagmar: No, the BT8x8 chip just handles the interface to the PC as far as I know
[07:16:00] Dagmar: There's things like msp3400 for the actual setting of the tuners
[07:16:00] mfork: ok, one sec
[07:16:00] mfork: i will pull the card
[07:19:00] Dagmar: Once youo have those numbers, look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation and find the files relating to the bttv driver. They'll tell you which tuner chips go with which tuner= settings
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[07:20:00] mfork: this last boot, i have a lot more messages
[07:20:00] mfork: my ethernet card was giving me problems, so i swapped it out
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[07:22:00] mfork: In the logs I see "Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV" "strange error flusing buffer ... " "Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None"
[07:22:00] jfreeman: Dagmar: thanks for your help, very much appreciated. Have a excellent week!
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[07:22:00] Dagmar: mfork: That's just mythbackend choking because the card isnt' working right yet.
[07:23:00] mfork: ok
[07:23:00] Dagmar: Get it working with xawtv or tvtime (way better) first and those problems should go away
[07:23:00] Dagmar: ...or rather, get it working and verify that it's working with xawtv/tvtime
[07:24:00] mfork: i see a bunch of bttv0/tuner/bt878 entries in dmesg
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[07:30:00] Dagmar: That's good.. That gives you something to investigate.
[07:31:00] Chutt: what part of those messages ("Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV" "strange error flusing buffer ... " "Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None") says that the backend is choking?
[07:31:00] Dagmar: Those _aren't_ coming out of the backend because it can't read from the card?
[07:31:00] Chutt: uh, no?
[07:32:00] Dagmar: Then perhaps they won't go away when he gets the card working
[07:32:00] Chutt: of course they won't go away.
[07:32:00] Chutt: those are perfectly normal.
[07:32:00] Dagmar: The first and third I'd say are normal. The middle one I've not seen since I unbroke mine
[07:33:00] mishehu: bah
[07:33:00] Chutt: everyone with a bttv card gets the 'strange error flushing buffer' message.
[07:33:00] Chutt: since it's from liblame
[07:33:00] Dagmar: Ah...
[07:33:00] mishehu: can't post to the xvidcore forums... had ot email one of the devs instead. I hate doing that, as most devs get pissed at you for not posting to the forum or the mailing list.
[07:34:00] Dagmar: misheshu; Probably the thing is running on PHP, is it not?
[07:34:00] Chutt: i ignore _all_ mythtv email that's directly from people i don't know.
[07:34:00] Dagmar: They're probably used to it screwing up by now
[07:34:00] Dagmar: There's too many spambots crawling PHP sites
[07:34:00] mishehu: Dagmar: BB2 I think
[07:34:00] mishehu: in php aye
[07:34:00] Chutt: why would the language that a website was running in have anything to do with spambots?
[07:34:00] Dagmar: The Dropline forums have been knocked out two or three times now
[07:35:00] Dagmar: Chutt: Because every other month someone finds some widespread issue in the PHP code people write, and then spammers go and use it to try and inflate their Google pagerank
[07:35:00] Chutt: uh
[07:35:00] Dagmar: If you were running something using PHP you'd have seen that by now at least once
[07:35:00] mishehu: I sent email via gmail, and put an explicit subject line about the problem, hope it doesn't get filtered as spam as I'd like to have this support for the dualproc
[07:35:00] Chutt: suure.
[07:36:00] Chutt: mythtv.org uses phpnuke.
[07:36:00] Chutt: where's the spambots?
[07:36:00] ** Chutt looks **
[07:36:00] Dagmar: PHPNuke had severe problems just two years ago
[07:36:00] mishehu: Dagmar: the problem is in the code ppl write?
[07:36:00] Dagmar: Don't act like it's messianically pure
[07:36:00] mishehu: *shock and amazement*
[07:36:00] Dagmar: heh
[07:36:00] Chutt: i've been running the same version of phpnuke for 3 years now.
[07:36:00] Chutt: seriously, where's the spambots?
[07:37:00] Dagmar: We had to set the Dropline wiki to restrict posting to registered accounts only because some damn russians were mangling the top level page every other day
[07:37:00] Chutt: ok, so, editing a wiki is possible because it's written in php?
[07:37:00] Dagmar: ...and I am monthly hearing gripes from the security admins on campus about what is blowing up with the PHP sites on campus
[07:37:00] Dagmar: I'm not getting into this type of contentious argument
[07:38:00] Chutt: adding comments/posts to a forum are possible only because they're written in php?
[07:38:00] Chutt: yeah, because you have no argument.
[07:38:00] Dagmar: Teh real world begs to differ from your experiences.
[07:38:00] Dagmar: You asked where the spambots are, I gave you one example that's common as dirt
[07:38:00] Chutt: it's rather stupid to think that the language a webapp is written in has anything to do with how likely some spambot is going to hit it.
[07:39:00] Chutt: mythweb's written in php! oh noes!!!!!!
[07:39:00] Dagmar: Chutt: grep your web logs for "awstats"
[07:39:00] Chutt: oh, i run awstats, too
[07:39:00] Chutt: on mythtv.org
[07:39:00] Dagmar: Then you're probably getting mad referral spam and are too stubborn to notice it
[07:39:00] Chutt: stubborn?
[07:39:00] mfork: Dagmar I have xawtv running, and i see "v412: reader: Input/Output error"
[07:39:00] Chutt: want to see the referral list?
[07:39:00] Dagmar: I dont' even have the PHP module and I get two or three hits a day for that
[07:40:00] Dagmar: mfork: bttv is still not working right then (most likely)
[07:40:00] Dagmar: Chutt: You run one site. I work in a NOC for an entire college campus connected to I2 and peering points everywhere practically.
[07:40:00] Dagmar: I see things you don't.
[07:40:00] Chutt: sure, a teeny tiny percentage of the referring sites are bogus
[07:41:00] Chutt: yeah, so, please explain how _php_ causes that.
[07:41:00] Dagmar: Homogeny
[07:41:00] Chutt: homogeny?
[07:41:00] Dagmar: Yes, homogeny.
[07:41:00] Chutt: uh..
[07:42:00] Dagmar: You seem to think I have an interest in whether or not you believe me.
[07:42:00] Dagmar: I don't.
[07:42:00] Chutt: so the fact that lots of people run the same software makes the language it's written in bad?
[07:42:00] Dagmar: No, it attracts spammers and their bots.
[07:42:00] Chutt: and _that_ makes php bad?
[07:42:00] Dagmar: I tell you what
[07:42:00] Dagmar: Scroll up and find where I said "PHP is bad"
[07:43:00] Dagmar: Otherwise, get off it
[07:43:00] Chutt: Dagmar misheshu; Probably the thing is running on PHP, is it not?
[07:43:00] Chutt: Dagmar There's too many spambots crawling PHP sites
[07:43:00] Chutt: there ya go
[07:43:00] Dagmar: That's not "PHP is bad"
[07:43:00] Dagmar: That's "There's too many spambots crawling PHP sites"
[07:44:00] Chutt: i'm still trying to find the connection.
[07:44:00] Dagmar: The result being that the moment someone finds a problem in some common PHP package, the spammers jump all ovewr it
[07:44:00] Chutt: as to why php means anything.
[07:44:00] Chutt: drop 'php' from that sentence.
[07:44:00] Dagmar: Yeah, well, if your logic skills were up to it you'd have already drawn the correct conclusion
[07:44:00] ** NightMonkey ducks **
[07:44:00] Chutt: there are bugs in code written using php
[07:45:00] Dagmar: Instead you're deliberately being thick about it
[07:45:00] Chutt: i am?
[07:45:00] Dagmar: Yes.
[07:45:00] Chutt: i'm still trying to figure out why the language something is written in is the cause of people writing bad code in it.
[07:45:00] Dagmar: Ask other people running PHP forums how many times they've been boned because they didn't update something within a few hours of a bugfix being announced.
[07:45:00] Chutt: bugfix in php, or the forum software?
[07:46:00] Dagmar: ...because the prevalence of those packages coupled with the fact that (gosh!) spammers can learn PHP makes it worth their time to vandalize the internet as a whole
[07:46:00] Chutt: again.
[07:46:00] Dagmar: Now, I am done with your nonsense.
[07:46:00] Chutt: so it's php's fault that people use it?
[07:46:00] Dagmar: Straw men are for burning, not for argumentation.
[07:46:00] Chutt: what straw man?
[07:47:00] Chutt: i guess everytime there's a kernel bug, it's because of C
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[07:49:00] Chutt: my _point_ is, that it's nothing to do with php that's causing 'spambots' and the like to do things.
[07:49:00] Chutt: it's the crappy software written in it.
[07:49:00] Dagmar: For the last time the straw man is you trying to claim I said "PHP is bad"
[07:50:00] Dagmar: I never said any such thing
[07:50:00] Chutt: so, why'd you ask if the forum was php, first thing?
[07:50:00] Chutt: and say 'spambots attack php sites'
[07:50:00] Dagmar: I commented that since the forum is running a common type of software that it's being constantly poked at by spambots
[07:50:00] NightMonkey: That awstats security bug was fixed in 6.3, fyi.
[07:50:00] Dagmar: BECAUSE THEY DO
[07:50:00] Dagmar: Open your eyes
[07:51:00] Chutt: all php sites?
[07:51:00] Dagmar: Of course nto all
[07:51:00] Chutt: why not?
[07:51:00] Dagmar: Just the ones that are common enough for them to gain profit from it
[07:51:00] Chutt: if it were a problem with the language, wouldn't it be all?
[07:51:00] Dagmar: No, it wouldn't.
[07:51:00] Chutt: why not?
[07:51:00] Dagmar: Because you're being a pedantic asshole. That's why
[07:51:00] Chutt: suuure.
[07:52:00] NightMonkey: Uh, there are potential troubles for ANY site out there, no matter what it is coded in, if the application is mis-designed, or the server is misconfigured.
[07:52:00] Chutt: nightmonkey, that's my entire point.
[07:52:00] Dagmar: You people are living in a dream world.  :/
[07:52:00] Chutt: it's got jack shit to do with the language it's written in.
[07:53:00] mishehu: not entirely.
[07:53:00] Chutt: in the vast majorty of cases, then :p
[07:53:00] mishehu: sometimes certain problems exhibit themselves in certain languages while not in others.
[07:53:00] mishehu: but you're all being anal. fact: man built computers, therefore computers are as imperfect as man.
[07:55:00] tanq: what other channel guides can I use.. zap2it seems to be timing out
[07:55:00] Chutt: i'm just being anal because i get annoyed when someone with no clue what the problem is tries to help someone, and causes them to do all sorts of extra work. =)
[07:56:00] mishehu: was somebody trying to help somebody run a php web app? I didn't see it, but I had to jump out for a few minutes
[07:56:00] Chutt: tanq, it's working fine here.
[07:56:00] tanq: hrmm
[07:56:00] Chutt: mishehu, no, mfork's bttv issues.
[07:56:00] tanq: i keep getting timeouts when i do mythfilldatabase
[07:56:00] Chutt: tanq, mine's running right now
[07:56:00] bobnvic: Not to disrupt this conversation or anything, but I've seen prebuffering pauses in LiveTV with current svn that has caused mythfrontend to peg the cpu until I exit LiveTV.
[07:56:00] marcus2: so i am the proud owner of a new 1920x1080 37" LCD
[07:57:00] marcus2: unfortunately, it does a really good job of showing just how much mythtv's upscaler sucks ass
[07:57:00] Chutt: myth doesn't have a scaler =)
[07:57:00] marcus2: this is what i'm saying :)
[07:57:00] Chutt: heh
[07:57:00] NightMonkey: tanq: If your net connection is okay otherwise, try again in a bit. However, you might check the labs.zap2it.com forums for any outages.
[07:57:00] marcus2: its basically useless on this monitor, it looks so bad
[07:57:00] Chutt: it's all xv
[07:58:00] marcus2: a $75 dvd player with a tuner and progressive component outs looks 10x better than mythtv
[07:58:00] tanq: is it ok to use 127.0.0.1 for the ips as long as everything is running on the same box?
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[07:58:00] marcus2: sad :(
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[07:58:00] Chutt: you really can't compare compressed vs uncompressed
[07:58:00] marcus2: well
[07:58:00] marcus2: ...
[07:58:00] Chutt: and dvd vs something from a tuner
[07:58:00] marcus2: wmv9 HD 1080p stuff looks fucking awesome on this monitor =D
[07:58:00] NightMonkey: tanq: As long as all services you need are also accessable that way (ie MySQL, Myth, etc.)
[07:59:00] marcus2: chutt; no, the dvd player has a tuner in it
[07:59:00] Chutt: heh
[07:59:00] bobnvic: I'm also seeing ac-tex damaged and MVs missing – I assume this is either what is causing the prebuffering or a common symptom of the same problem?
[07:59:00] marcus2: which it outputs on the progressive component output
[07:59:00] Chutt: marcus2, right, but you'd say 'but dvd's look good!'
[07:59:00] marcus2: nah, dvds look pretty craptastic too
[07:59:00] mishehu: bobnvic: I get that on transcoding with ffmpeg for some reason too
[07:59:00] marcus2: played by mythtv, that is
[07:59:00] mishehu: donno what the heck they mean.
[07:59:00] marcus2: super grainy
[07:59:00] mishehu: transcode handles it fine
[07:59:00] tanq: NightMonkey: see anything weird in this http://pastebin.ca/32328
[07:59:00] Chutt: the internal player?
[07:59:00] NightMonkey: tanq: Check "netstat -lnp" to see.
[08:00:00] marcus2: well i shouldnt blame mythtv for that
[08:00:00] tanq: everything on this box is on localhost
[08:00:00] marcus2: i'm using xine to play dvds
[08:00:00] Chutt: xine uses the videocard to scale, too
[08:00:00] marcus2: again, the $75 dvd player i got at best buy looks way better than xine
[08:00:00] marcus2: ah
[08:00:00] bobnvic: mishehu: I see it on just about every file after commercial detection completes – the files seem to play fine though
[08:00:00] mfork: Dagmar: I think I figured out why it was fuzzy — think the station went off the air about 1AM, guess thats what i get :-P
[08:00:00] NightMonkey: tanq: Did you set up your zap2it account?
[08:00:00] mishehu: marcus2: <insert baby crying noise here>
[08:00:00] marcus2: are there video cards that are better at scaling than this radeon 9800 that i'm using?
[08:00:00] Chutt: though, are you using dvi?
[08:00:00] marcus2: yeah dvi
[08:00:00] tanq: NightMonkey: yeah
[08:01:00] Chutt: played with the color controls at all?
[08:01:00] tanq: and i added the login info in the setup tpp
[08:01:00] marcus2: nah, its not a color issue
[08:01:00] tanq: s/tpp/too
[08:01:00] marcus2: basically its not doing any anti-aliasing with the upscaling
[08:01:00] mishehu: marcus2: you sure it's not an ati fglrx issue?
[08:01:00] marcus2: so its really blocky
[08:01:00] Chutt: ah, that's odd
[08:01:00] marcus2: i'm not running the ati drm drivers just yet
[08:01:00] marcus2: tho i am compiling them at the moment
[08:01:00] Chutt: if you have a different videocard handy, it'd be a good thing to try
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[08:01:00] Chutt: or the ati drivers
[08:02:00] marcus2: ok the build is finished, now to try it
[08:02:00] marcus2: bbiaf
[08:02:00] tanq: and something weird is going on with my account because sometimes i can auth via the web and sometimes I cant
[08:03:00] Chutt: heh, almost 600 email messages from this idiot so far
[08:04:00] Chutt: it's good to see that this iinet.net.au has such prompt response to abuse.
[08:05:00] Chutt: i'm still trying to figure out how someone could redirect their cron output to 2 mailing lists
[08:06:00] NightMonkey: Chutt: You've Got Mail? No, really, YOU'VE GOT MAIL! ;)
[08:07:00] NightMonkey: Chutt: Perhpas he was hacked?
[08:07:00] Chutt: the annoying thing is that mailman still sends me email, even when it matches an auto-discard filter
[08:07:00] Chutt: because i can't disable that selectively :(
[08:07:00] Chutt: NightMonkey, while that's a possibility, it's much more likely that he's just stupid.
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[08:08:00] NightMonkey: Chutt: Yeah, best to blame stupidity before malice, since malice takes effort...
[08:09:00] Captain_Murdoch: and there's more stupid people than malicious people. :)
[08:09:00] BigKahuna: speaking of stupid people, can I ask a question pls...
[08:10:00] BigKahuna: need some help with tuning (ivtv-tune) my hauppuage 150.
[08:10:00] BigKahuna: am I in the right place?
[08:10:00] NightMonkey: Captain_Murdoch: Heh, hopefully that won't ever change.
[08:11:00] Captain_Murdoch: NightMonkey: well, if we could decrease the stupid without increasing the malicious that would be good
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[08:11:00] bobnvic: so would ac-tex damaged and MVs not available type messages be an indication of ivtv not being able to write the data to the disk in a timely manner and losing data?
[08:11:00] Chutt: not generally
[08:12:00] Chutt: unless you're getting kernel messages from ivtv about it overflowing buffers
[08:12:00] BigKahuna: I have figured out what frequency my cable TV is broadcast on and set my capture card to listen to that frequency, however I'm still not getting any signal. Any ideas?
[08:12:00] NightMonkey: BigKahuna: You might be – #ivtv-dev might be, too, if anyone is awake there.
[08:12:00] marcus2: so is there any capture card that is viable for using mythtv with a hd cable receiver?
[08:12:00] bobnvic: I've seen some at times, but not tonight or typically
[08:13:00] Chutt: bobnvic, or messages from myth with IOBOUND in them
[08:13:00] Chutt: those are the only two real 'can't write fast enough' errors
[08:14:00] bobnvic: chutt: I didn't see anything special in mythbackend's log this time mythfrontend pegged the cpu with prebuffer waits
[08:15:00] BigKahuna: Alternatively could someone outline the steps they used to tune their card (using ivtv-tune) into the correct signal?
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[08:16:00] bobnvic: so would it indicate a bad or weak signal coming into the card for encoding? the picture looks fine
[08:16:00] Chutt: shouldn't
[08:17:00] bobnvic: so what would produce those errors in the file?
[08:17:00] tanq: oh so close
[08:18:00] tanq: man it has been a few years since I have messed with myth
[08:18:00] Chutt: dunno
[08:19:00] bobnvic: and could those errors cause the prebuffering wait time outs?
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[08:21:00] Chutt: they _shouldn't_
[08:22:00] Chutt: it's likely to be a different thing
[08:22:00] bobnvic: it occurred on file change which I thought you were pretty confident you had taken care of
[08:22:00] Chutt: right
[08:22:00] Chutt: still, could be bugs there
[08:22:00] Chutt: was it a seamless file change (ie., on one channel, program changed, so the file changed, playing straight through), or a channel change/etc
[08:23:00] Chutt: and it wasn't a scheduled recording interferring?
[08:23:00] bobnvic: it was seamless
[08:23:00] bobnvic: no scheduled recordings
[08:23:00] Chutt: well, i dunno
[08:23:00] Chutt: was the new file getting written to?
[08:25:00] bobnvic: didn't check to see if there was a file, just hit exit and then went back to livetv and it worked fine – would the first file stick exist? probably less than two minutes though
[08:25:00] bobnvic: change stick to still – don't know how I could mess that up
[08:25:00] Chutt: aw, damn, trac isn't sending email
[08:25:00] Chutt: bobnvic, it _may_ still exist
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[08:26:00] bobnvic: 8107 notice was just received
[08:26:00] Chutt: that's from svn
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[08:26:00] bobnvic: oh, yeah
[08:28:00] Chutt: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/changeset/2596
[08:28:00] Chutt: oops
[08:29:00] bobnvic: actually, I do have a 48MB file for that time so it was writing to it
[08:30:00] Chutt: was it the new file?
[08:30:00] marcus2: grr, fglrx can be such a pita
[08:30:00] Chutt: there weren't any other error messages from the time of the switch, were there?
[08:32:00] Chutt: no, 'Invalid file handle's?
[08:32:00] bobnvic: the new show came on at 1am – here is the mythfrontend log at the time
[08:32:00] bobnvic: 2005-12–04 01:00:01.416 Invalid file handle when opening /var/mythtv/tv/1055_20051204010000.mpg. 4 retries remaining.
[08:32:00] bobnvic: 2005-12–04 01:00:01.953 Invalid file handle when opening /var/mythtv/tv/1055_20051204010000.mpg. 3 retries remaining.
[08:32:00] bobnvic: 2005-12–04 01:00:02.414 NVP: prebuffering pause
[08:32:00] bobnvic: [mpeg2video @ 0xb75d0150]ac-tex damaged at 3 29
[08:32:00] bobnvic: [mpeg2video @ 0xb75d0150]Warning MVs not available
[08:32:00] bobnvic: [mpeg2video @ 0xb75d0150]00 motion_type at 24 15
[08:32:00] bobnvic: [mpeg2video @ 0xb75d0150]ac-tex damaged at 22 13
[08:32:00] bobnvic: [mpeg2video @ 0xb75d0150]Warning MVs not available
[08:32:00] bobnvic: 2005-12–04 01:00:03.065 NVP: prebuffering pause
[08:32:00] bobnvic: 2005-12–04 01:00:04.699 Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.
[08:32:00] bobnvic: 2005-12–04 01:00:06.351 Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.
[08:32:00] Chutt: odd
[08:33:00] bobnvic: so, yes invalid file handles, which are fairly normal and don't seem to usually cause a problem
[08:33:00] Chutt: well, if it gets all the way down to 0, then that's a problem
[08:33:00] Chutt: but, didn't here
[08:33:00] Chutt: i dunno
[08:33:00] Chutt: is this happening often?
[08:34:00] Chutt: people reporting tickets anonymously suck.
[08:34:00] bobnvic: this was the second time in the last 24 hours or so, but I hadn't noticed it since you commited the change specifically addressing the prebuffering pauses
[08:35:00] Chutt: well, the prebuffering pause just means it's not getting decoded data
[08:35:00] bobnvic: I was wondering if some other process might be using all the resources at the time, causing the issue
[08:36:00] Chutt: possibly – you did say it was using all available cpu
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[08:36:00] Chutt: if you're familiar with gdb, you should be able to see what thread's doing that, and what it's doing..
[08:37:00] bobnvic: It was mythfrontend that was using 98% of the cpu though
[08:38:00] vohfi: hello #mythtv-users
[08:38:00] Chutt: right, but there's lots of threads in there
[08:38:00] vohfi: is there any package for Slackware 10.2 or NetBSD 2.1?
[08:39:00] Chutt: only one of em was doing the infinite loop game =)
[08:40:00] bobnvic: I'm not familiar with gdb and could get mythfrontend to run in it the last time I tried, but I'll try again and see if I can get something useful
[08:40:00] bobnvic: sorry, change could to couldn't
[08:41:00] Chutt: heh
[08:42:00] Chutt: dunno what else it could be.
[08:42:00] bobnvic: thanks for helping though, I appreciate it
[08:44:00] Chutt: i'll try to repro it more
[08:44:00] vohfi: no Slackware package for MythTV?
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[08:45:00] bobnvic: when I run mythfrontend in gdb I get SIG33 and it stops, any idea what the problem may be?
[08:45:00] Chutt: just type 'cont'
[08:45:00] bobnvic: well, that was simple enough when you know what you're doing
[08:46:00] Chutt: i _think_ that's in the myth docs for debugging =)
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[08:48:00] bobnvic: I don't see it mentioned there – I know I looked there a few weeks ago to make sure I was running gdb appropriately and I just checked and don't see it
[08:48:00] Chutt: heh
[08:49:00] Chutt: part of it's there, the sigpipe handling
[08:49:00] bobnvic: I'm real good at missing relavent stuff, though
[08:49:00] Chutt: but, yeah, the cont on sig33 isn't
[08:50:00] bobnvic: oh, OK, I see where I missed the handle sigpipe
[08:51:00] BigKahuna: does anybody know how to display the current config of a hauppauge tuner card. I'm using the ivtv driver and would like to know what frequency the card is listening to and what the default video mode (PAL, NTSC) is.
[08:52:00] BigKahuna: I know I can change the settings using ivtv-tune but would like to what what the current state is before I start to tinker.
[08:52:00] NightMonkey: BigKahuna: "ivtvctl -a" might tell you what you want to know.
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[08:53:00] poonj: hey guys
[08:53:00] poonj: anyone here get auto-login to work with gdm?
[08:54:00] cbaoth: Yes.... just edit gdm.conf.
[08:54:00] BigKahuna: NightMonkey, thanks.
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[08:55:00] BigKahuna: NightMonkey, Could you help me understand some of the output from ivtvctl?
[08:57:00] marcus2: hm
[08:57:00] marcus2: i am >< close to just getting an nvidia card
[09:00:00] NightMonkey: Sorry, gotta head out. Nite, all. :)
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[09:03:00] bobnvic: figures, under gdb it didn't have so much a single pause or hiccup when doing a seamless file change. I hate intermittant issues.
[09:06:00] bobnvic: chutt: I just got a waited too long for ringbuffer pause when I changed the channel
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[09:15:00] o_cee: what things can trigger a full system freeze? are there any problems with 2.6.14 that could do that? or am i looking at a possible hardware failure? haven't changed the setup in ages, but the psu is old.. very strange
[09:17:00] o_cee: it becomes totally inresponsible (incl ssh) but responds to pings.. argh.
[09:17:00] o_cee: piece of crap
[09:18:00] bobnvic: that's odd that it responds to pings isn't it?
[09:18:00] Kury: Anyone have ideas about how/why my PVR 350 isn't showing video on /dev/video0
[09:18:00] Kury: I can run ptune.pl ... mplayer works... the ivtv module is loaded..
[09:19:00] o_cee: bobnvic, seems odd to me yeah
[09:19:00] o_cee: Kury, check dmesg
[09:19:00] bobnvic: kury: you mean capture video from /dev/video0?
[09:20:00] bobnvic: does cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg produce a good file?
[09:20:00] Kury: I have a bunch of these messages in dmesg ivtv0 warning: i2c client addr: 0x21 not found for command 0x40046406!
[09:20:00] Kury: any ideas?
[09:21:00] o_cee: you didn't compile the right i2c stuff into the kernel i'd guess
[09:21:00] o_cee: google it
[09:21:00] Kury: I installed all the i2c stuff into the kernel..
[09:22:00] Kury: I'v been having problems getting lirc working.. so I just turned it all on.. :P
[09:25:00] Kury: only 2 hits on google...
[09:25:00] Kury: if I do lsmod... shouldn't the ivtv driver have something other than 0 in the last column?
[09:29:00] bobnvic: here's my lsmod:
[09:29:00] bobnvic: lsmod |grep ivtv
[09:29:00] bobnvic: ivtv 217172 4
[09:29:00] bobnvic: i2c_algo_bit 9480 1 ivtv
[09:29:00] bobnvic: videodev 9536 3 ivtv
[09:29:00] Dagmar: Kury: Perhaps next time you'll build the i2c stuff as *modules* and not directly into the kernel?
[09:30:00] Dagmar: Kury: The kernel knows whether or not it needs a given module now, or at least knows well enough that having to tell it is a very rare thing.
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[09:31:00] Kury: .. I turned them on because lirc won't seem to compile for my hauppage PVR 350..
[09:31:00] jvs: where should the mtd.log reside?
[09:31:00] jvs: I cannot find it in /var/log/mythtv/
[09:33:00] marcus2: its interesting that my ati cards cant cope with dual-link dvi cables
[09:37:00] bobnvic: jvs: mine is located in the video store directory I believe
[09:37:00] Dagmar: Kury: Just make them as modules. In fact, get used to compiling modules with the same attitude you'd use an automatic rifle. Point, squeeze, and hold until the problems go away.
[09:37:00] jvs: bobnvic: I'll check, ty
[09:37:00] bobnvic: I have videos in /var/mythtv/videos and mtd.log is in /var/mythtv
[09:37:00] jvs: need to reboot, brb
[09:37:00] Dagmar: It makes life easier (unless you build your kernel eight times a day)
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[09:38:00] Kury: Dagmar: I'm testing it now as modules...
[09:38:00] Dagmar: Kury: The only things you really absolutely need directly in the kernel are things you need to boot (like filesystem and disk controller support)
[09:39:00] Dagmar: Kury: They only thing you *might* run into is that there's some conflict between the v4l modules that get included into ivtv 0.4.0 that conflict with the ones from the kernel
[09:39:00] Dagmar: ...they ditched those for 0.5.0
[09:40:00] Kury: ah.. so those (v4l modules) should be shut off? or put as modules?
[09:40:00] Dagmar: Kury: Depends. If you don't have the problem you don't have to worry about it.
[09:41:00] Dagmar: If you're not using bttv you can just turn the top part of that (Video4Linux support) on as a module and simply leave everything under v4l unselected
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[09:41:00] bobnvic: I wouldn't even think about lirc until I had ivtv working good
[09:41:00] Dagmar: ...but wait until you see a conflict with something like msp3400.o or such before you worry about it
[09:42:00] Kury: Dagmar: well I'm getting video from the card now.. but no sound.. (the sounds does work if I play a mpg I have or ogg file.. but not from the /dev/video0 device)
[09:44:00] Dagmar: Check syslog and see what it's saying when ivtv is loading
[09:50:00] Kury: Dagmar: what logs would I be looking at? I'm not seeing anything in the ones I thought it would be in...
[09:51:00] Dagmar: dmesg, /var/log/messagews
[09:51:00] Dagmar: er /var/log/messages
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[09:52:00] Kury: .. ya nothing from either of those..
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[09:52:00] Juski: hmmm. got a strange problem with mythtv's livetv program guide in a vnc session. the video preview is all messed up & in the wrong place. is this something to do with the display missing xv?
[09:55:00] Kury: Dagmar: I shouldn't have to route the output on the capture card back to the input on my sound card should I?? (I didn't last time I had this card setup)
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[10:20:00] BigKahuna: Im having trouble with the frequency tuning on my hauppauge card. Rather than working in MythTV to fiz the problem is there another TV application I can use to view my cable signal? TvTime does not support hauppauge and I'm having trouble with VLC player. Any other options?
[10:21:00] Captain_Murdoch: you mean to watch the video while you play with ivtv-tune?
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[10:23:00] cbaoth: Just use mplayer and ivtv-tune.
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[10:26:00] BigKahuna: Captain_Murdoch, Yes.
[10:26:00] BigKahuna: is that possible?
[10:26:00] Captain_Murdoch: then do what cbaoth said. :)
[10:26:00] Captain_Murdoch: mplayer /dev/video0
[10:27:00] BigKahuna: then any changes I make to the frequency will be automatically detected in the mplayer output?
[10:27:00] Captain_Murdoch: yes
[10:27:00] BigKahuna: excellent.
[10:27:00] BigKahuna: Many thanks guys.
[10:35:00] Juski: okee. I'm trying out SVN mythtv here.. (more specifically trying to iron out a couple of wrinkles in a theme)... in the new schedule changes page mythtv's complaining "could not locate 'progdetails' in theme". The container in question is called 'program_info' as far as I can tell.. any devs in here who might know what's up?
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[11:21:00] dagfinnr: good morning ppl
[11:23:00] dagfinnr: noone awake?
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[11:39:00] dagfinnr: anyone running m10000 mb here?
[11:39:00] BigKahuna: struggling to configure my hauppauge tuner card using ivtv-tune and ivtvctl. I've got a picture and the quality is ok but it's in black and white. How to get colour?
[11:39:00] BigKahuna: is it and NTSC/PAL setting?
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[11:41:00] adarof: anyone could give me a hint about playback of recordings ? preview fine, but no Fullscreen, even no LiveTV
[11:41:00] Juski: hi dagfinnr: I'm using one
[11:42:00] dagfinnr: cool Juski , how did you get the video drivers working properly?
[11:42:00] Juski: dagfinnr: I used minimyth
[11:42:00] Captain_Murdoch: adarof: Xv issues? If it acts like it's playing but you can't see video, then try running the frontend like this: "NO_XV=1 mythfrontend" and see if you can see video then.
[11:42:00] Captain_Murdoch: BigKahuna: could be wrong tuner type
[11:43:00] Juski: only snag (and it aint really a snag for me) is that minimyth is only for frontends
[11:43:00] dagfinnr: Juski, whats minimyth?
[11:43:00] Juski: dagfinnr: www.linpvr.org
[11:43:00] Juski: it's a mythtv distro made especially for epia boards to use as frontends
[11:44:00] dagfinnr: hm
[11:44:00] Juski: and don't believe the linpvr page btw.. it's been able to do dvd playback for ages.. just nobody updates the page
[11:44:00] dagfinnr: i use the pc as both bakc and front
[11:44:00] dagfinnr: back even
[11:45:00] Juski: the via graphics drivers can be tricky.. you been following any howto guides?
[11:45:00] dagfinnr: so i guess i cannot use minimyth then::(
[11:45:00] Juski: try www.epiawiki.org ;)
[11:45:00] dagfinnr: i havent found and for FC4
[11:48:00] dagfinnr: argh..why cant there just be an setup.exe as in windows :)
[11:48:00] BigKahuna: Captain_Murdoch, How can I check modify?
[11:49:00] Juski: because in Linux you have to do things _properly_ ;)
[11:49:00] dagfinnr: well, window always works for me :)
[11:49:00] Juski: so use windows ;)
[11:50:00] dagfinnr: nah..i like mythtv :)
[11:50:00] Juski: big problem with that mythtv guide on epiawiki.org is that it sets out to use gentoo.. and you don't wanna be compiling on a 1Ghz epia
[11:51:00] dagfinnr: :)
[11:54:00] dagfinnr: so you have never tried getting the video drivers working without minimyth?
[11:54:00] Juski: dagfinnr: nope
[11:54:00] Juski: as far as I know though, the minimyth guys just get the drivers out of cvs
[11:55:00] dagfinnr: yeah, i dont want to / nor has the knowledge of using those cvs drivers
[11:55:00] Juski: http://washington.kelkoo.net/epia/
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[11:57:00] dagfinnr: interesting link Juski
[11:57:00] dagfinnr: thanks
[11:57:00] Juski: no probs :)
[11:57:00] Juski: okee.. time to eat, then lots of non-myth stuff to do
[11:57:00] Juski: :/
[11:58:00] dagfinnr: :)
[11:58:00] Juski: good luck, dagfinnr
[11:58:00] dagfinnr: thanks Juski
[12:00:00] Captain_Murdoch: BigKahuna: are you in pal or ntsc land?
[12:01:00] BigKahuna: Captain_Murdoch, I thought I was pal (Singapore) but I dont get any picture when using pal, only NTSC.
[12:02:00] BigKahuna: if I run ivtvctl -n it say the input standard for my input is Pal.
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[12:07:00] Captain_Murdoch: did you put any options for the ivtv driver in your modules.conf or modprobe.conf (depending on your kernel rev)
[12:09:00] BigKahuna: Captain_Murdoch, No.
[12:10:00] Captain_Murdoch: look at this page and it might help then. http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=TvOutPal try the "options tuner" line maybe and reload the ivtv module after running "depmod -a".
[12:10:00] Captain_Murdoch: I gotta run, but that page might help you some.
[12:11:00] BigKahuna: Ok thanks, appreciate your help.
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[12:31:00] Goshen: if you change your lineup with zap2it becaue you had the wrong provider selected, how do you clear out the lineup from the myth database?
[12:31:00] Goshen: or will it just auto update?
[12:31:00] t00m: anyone froze a computer by encoding nuv using mencoder instead of nuvexport?
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[12:55:00] BigKahuna: Captain_Murdoch, U still around?
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[13:00:00] adarof: Captain_Murdoch: Sorry for deplay – a hdd crashed. I tried – NO_XV – this worked :-) But a bit slow ...What is XV ? Could you give me a link ? (goolging doent help)
[13:00:00] Goshen: Why are the checkboxes in the setup so small you are barely see the x in the box?
[13:00:00] firestorm: Howdy. When mythtv starts xine or mplayer, is there a way to force xine or mplayer to open on a specific screen? I open mythtv from :0.0 by typing mythfrontend -display :0.1 .. using 0.1 (TV) with remote I start video but xine and mplayer both start video on :0.0 (CRT) :(
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[13:13:00] GreyFoxx: check the manpage. I'm pretty sure there is a -geometry parameters you can use to locate the window on the screen and likely a -display option. Otherwise you can set the DISPLAY variable before launching it
[13:17:00] firestorm: GreyFoxx: tried setting display variable....do you mean like: player command: DISPLAY=:0.1 xine %s  ? if so, that didnt' work
[13:20:00] firestorm: oops a typo...that works :)
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[13:36:00] mcdmx: Is there a specific reason why the MythTV mailing lists (mythtv-users, mythtv-devel) are (explicitly) *NOT* archived on gmane.org?
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[13:40:00] adarof: Whats the minimum h/w you recommend ? I thought a Athlon 1,8 with 512 MB RAm would be enough ?
[13:40:00] Dagmar: If you get a PVR-xxx card with the hardware accelleration it's cake
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[13:41:00] Kleptophobiac: what are you trying to do with that machine? SD recording? HD recording? Playback only?
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[13:42:00] adarof: Ah – sorry. A bugbet dvb-s card should do livetv or rec
[13:44:00] adarof: eh budget — pctv sat
[13:45:00] adarof: seems to be short of ram
[13:45:00] adarof: could that be ?
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[13:50:00] Kleptophobiac: 512 is plenty
[13:50:00] adarof: frontend uses 75% of cpu ....load is 5 ...
[13:51:00] Kleptophobiac: what resolution are you outputting? and are you using any filters? I have a 1.5GHz Athlon XP, and it uses about 80% to watch TV
[13:51:00] Kleptophobiac: but I have deinterlace and denoise3d running
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[13:57:00] adarof: Kleptophobiac, is 800x600 until now, no filters
[13:57:00] Kleptophobiac: hmm, that's high
[13:57:00] Kleptophobiac: what video card? is xv running ok?
[13:57:00] Kleptophobiac: do you have the accelerated drivers installed for your card properly?
[13:58:00] adarof: acc driver (nvidia) is running well (glxgears :-) ), no – i have to start mythtv with NO_XV=1
[13:58:00] Kleptophobiac: what's wrong with xv?
[13:59:00] adarof: otherwise i only get a black screen – but i dont know what xv is – could you point me to a url ?
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[13:59:00] Kleptophobiac: hmm, I don't really know of a good link on that one
[14:00:00] Kleptophobiac: but xv is the means by which most 2D acceleration of images and video occurs
[14:00:00] Kleptophobiac: sort of like windows' direct draw
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[14:00:00] Kleptophobiac: could you pastebin your xorg.conf?
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[14:03:00] adarof: Kleptophobiac, http://pastebin.ca/32354
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[14:05:00] adarof: adarof: Is there simply a package ? (for ubuntu) xv is a silly word to search for ;-) Do you know the long name ?
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[14:06:00] Kleptophobiac: there's xvattr for configuring xv
[14:06:00] BigKahuna: do mplayer /dev/video0 give me the TvOut signal?
[14:06:00] BigKahuna: does
[14:07:00] Kleptophobiac: you need to specify that it's a TV device
[14:07:00] Kleptophobiac: tv://
[14:07:00] Kleptophobiac: I think
[14:07:00] Kleptophobiac: man mplayer
[14:07:00] Kleptophobiac: for that one
[14:07:00] GreyFoxx: not if it's a pvr card
[14:07:00] Kleptophobiac: I'm pretty sure mplayer can handle PVR cards now
[14:07:00] BigKahuna: having problems with IVTV and it seems to be related to TvOut, however if I ever want to do is watch TV on my desktop (mplayer /dev/video0) is TvOut config an issue?
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: The tv:// is not requiredjust to watch the signal
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: Maybe if you want to use mplayer to change channels and such, but not just to view the mpeg stream
[14:09:00] Kleptophobiac: well, that's true... but it's just a few characters and it lets you change the channel... so why not? :p
[14:10:00] GreyFoxx: cause not everyone's version of mplayer supports it, and if the user just wants to test the device why introduce s~omething that might just confuse them further ?
[14:10:00] GreyFoxx: it;s the kiss method of support :)
[14:10:00] Kleptophobiac: Oh I suppose
[14:12:00] adarof: Well ... I shortly installed mplayer and it doesnt work
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[14:15:00] adarof: ok – permission problem, but still not working cache 0%, so i think simply no data comes out
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[14:36:00] adarof: ok – even, if i cant get mplayer running, xvinfo says there is xvideo running
[14:36:00] adarof: xvattr i cant compile, but still trying
[14:36:00] Kleptophobiac: ok
[14:40:00] adarof: is there another way to test xv ?
[14:41:00] Kleptophobiac: not that I know of
[14:41:00] Kleptophobiac: could you post your xorg.conf
[14:41:00] Kleptophobiac: ?
[14:41:00] Kleptophobiac: use pastebin
[14:42:00] adarof: Kleptophobiac, http://pastebin.ca/32354
[14:42:00] Ethics: xine .has a option like mplayer does for xv
[14:43:00] adarof: ok – mplayer with xv tested unsecc. – i just took a movie-file instead of /dev/video0
[14:43:00] Kleptophobiac: I thought you said you have an nvidia card?
[14:44:00] adarof: Kleptophobiac, urgs – sorry ....wrong xorg.conf – or right file, wrong computer
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[14:45:00] Ethics: adante, what connabd you use for mplayer to play the device?
[14:45:00] Kleptophobiac: just for reference, here's my nvidia xorg.conf
[14:45:00] Kleptophobiac: http://pastebin.com/448293
[14:45:00] adarof: http://pastebin.ca/32360
[14:45:00] Ethics: comand rather
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[14:46:00] Kleptophobiac: don't use twinview
[14:46:00] Kleptophobiac: it causes severe problems with video acceleration
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[14:46:00] Kleptophobiac: It sort of worked on my geforce2, but any newer card and twinview was very unhappy
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[14:47:00] adarof: I see ... ok
[14:48:00] adarof: so will give it a try without Twin
[14:48:00] Kleptophobiac: ok
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[14:53:00] adarof: so – restarted with simply monitor (commented out Twin-stuff) and mplayer -vo xv Movie.mpg works :-)
[14:55:00] adarof: ok – commented out the NO_XV=1 Variable and restarted mythtv -> works also. and with 23% of CPU :-)))))
[14:55:00] laga: adarof: nice ;). hey, are you german? ;)
[14:56:00] adarof: laga: Yes :-) My english so bad ?
[14:57:00] laga: adarof: no, i looked at your /whois ;)
[14:57:00] adarof: laga, oh – my typo with *V*ariable ?
[14:57:00] adarof: *bg* You are cheating ;-)
[14:57:00] laga: adarof: feel free to join our german chat room #mythtv-de if you feel like it ;)
[14:57:00] laga: adarof: me? never! :)
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[15:01:00] _willcooke_: Hi guys. I've been using my own hacked up python scripts for recording tv (dvb-t), but I think I'd really be better of with MythTV. But, I have a few problems that are stopping me. When I view live tv (which is netcat'd over from the tv box and then piped through mplayer) the lipsync is a bit out. Would I benefit from using a hardware mpeg decoder (say a 350)?
[15:01:00] adarof: Kleptophobiac, so – thanks a lot for your guidence – it now works, and i just have to configure the tv without-twin :-)
[15:01:00] _willcooke_: Or, would mythtv sort this all out for me in software?
[15:03:00] Kelerion: doesn't dvb just dump to mpeg like 250's?
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[15:06:00] _willcooke_: Kelerion, Yes. But I'm guessing the dvb-t mpeg stream isn't of as good a quality as it could be. It's like the audio and video frames don't line up properly.
[15:06:00] _willcooke_: I think that a hardware decoder would make sure everything was spot on.
[15:06:00] mofu: _willcooke_: all should be fine in Myth, LiveTV goes to a file before playback, adds a tiny lag, but then you can control it, pause, rew, ff, etc
[15:07:00] _willcooke_: mofu, Excellent. Does myth do some processing to the stream, crc checking, frame aligning etc?
[15:07:00] _willcooke_: Or is that not necessary?
[15:07:00] mofu: don't know the details sorry, but playback is fine
[15:07:00] Kelerion: it has a few inbuilt filters that can be used if you specify them
[15:07:00] _willcooke_: Is they mpeg decoding custom code, or borrowed from mplayer, or xine or something?]
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[15:08:00] mofu: i think largely borrowed from mplayer, but not sure
[15:09:00] adante: beeeeeeeeeeeeees!
[15:09:00] _willcooke_: Ok, so it's not just mplayer behind the scenes? It is actually myth that does the work?
[15:10:00] mofu: no the playback code is actually in MythFrontend
[15:10:00] _willcooke_: I'm r'ing the f'ing m at the moment!
[15:10:00] _willcooke_: mofu, cool. thanks.
[15:11:00] _willcooke_: Another question.... from the stuff I've read so far I can keep my "video server" (which is two dvb-t cards) and also have another sort of sudo-settop-box which also has a dvb-t card for watching live TV, and also watching the stuff that has been recorded? Is it easy to say "record this program on this card, and this different program on this different card"?
[15:13:00] mofu: you usually don't specify the card to use, just pick the program to record from the program guide and the backend manages card use
[15:13:00] _willcooke_: Ahh, excellent.
[15:14:00] _willcooke_: Well, it looks like I'm going to have to delete about 3 months of python hacking and install Myth then!!
[15:15:00] _willcooke_: OK, I'm certain you get asked this a hundred times a day, but.... Can you recommend a cheap-ish video card? (is svideo out actually any good?)
[15:16:00] mofu: lots of people use FX5200 . . .no fan plenty of power for video, even HD
[15:17:00] _willcooke_: That's brilliant. Thanks a lot.
[15:18:00] _willcooke_: So, nvidia is the way to go really, ati still lacking in linux support?
[15:20:00] adarof: _willcooke_, ATI's propetary linux driver also work fine, but I have no experiences with ATI && TVout
[15:20:00] poop: They say ATI is getting better but why wait?
[15:21:00] adarof: poop, that of course correct.
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[15:21:00] adarof: just for case one has a ati – dont throw it away, its not soooo bad ;-)
[15:22:00] poop: Make sure your FX5200 is actually fanless if you buy one.
[15:22:00] poop: I wonder where the fan gets power though.
[15:22:00] poop: Probably not from the pci bus.
[15:22:00] _willcooke_: :)
[15:24:00] _willcooke_: Does myth have the option to record to one format (a nice low-cpu one, in the case of dvb mp2) and then encode to, say, mp4 at a later time (like in the middle of the night)?
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[15:26:00] mofu: _willcooke_: yep, myth does that too
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[15:28:00] _willcooke_: mofu, Ok! How about maintaining a list of "favorites". Say for example, I want to be reminded of any programmes in the next week that have the words "beach" and "volleyball" in?
[15:28:00] mofu: yep
[15:29:00] mofu: wll automatically record if you want, not just a reminder
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[15:29:00] _willcooke_: Superb! Right, you've convinced me. Thanks a lot
[15:31:00] _willcooke_: mofu, ah, one more thing. I'm planning on having two boxes. One with two cards in which will be a sort of recording-farm, and one with one card in primarily for watching live tv on the main tv. Where should I have the most processing power?
[15:31:00] _willcooke_: What I really want is the recording-farm to be less cpu and the main one to be the new computer.
[15:32:00] _willcooke_: Will there be a lot of load on the master server, so much that watching live tv won't be a good idea?
[15:32:00] poop: You only need real power in your front-end if you're doing HD
[15:33:00] _willcooke_: There won't be any HD for now. What I want to aviod is having to buy two new boxes.
[15:33:00] poop: willcooke: What kind of capture cards?
[15:33:00] _willcooke_: poop, dvb-t
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[15:34:00] poop: Those just capture a digital stream right ... shouldn't put too much load, other than IO, on the back end.
[15:34:00] Juski: _willcooke_: I had a dvb-t backend on an 800Mhz Athlon with 256MB RAM – worked great with 2 tuners going at the same time
[15:34:00] _willcooke_: Excellent news.
[15:35:00] _willcooke_: So I could say... record all these programmes, then at 3am move them to the powerfull machine and encode them to mpeg4
[15:35:00] Juski: I only upgraded it to have a system capable of doing UDMA100
[15:35:00] Juski: transcoding on my 2Ghz backend (to MPEG4) runs at about 30fps
[15:35:00] poop: willcooke: Your slave back-end could do the transcode in-place
[15:36:00] poop: so to speak :)
[15:36:00] poop: Don't forget your gigE
[15:37:00] _willcooke_: Good idea, I was going to use WifI, but that would take ages to copy.
[15:37:00] Juski: if you have space to hide cables, I'd always recommend you use wires
[15:37:00] poop: My mythbox has wifi, but it does everything itself.
[15:38:00] mofu: B falls just short for most Myth use (streaming), but G is fine
[15:38:00] poop: I only get 1MB sustained with G (WPA)
[15:38:00] _willcooke_: thanks for all the advice guys. I'll carry on reading the manual and then get cracking!
[15:39:00] poop: good luck
[15:39:00] _willcooke_: :) Thanks! I expect I'll be back!
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[15:40:00] Juski: no, willcooke – start as you mean to go on :)
[15:40:00] mofu: I thought LiveTV was reenabled in latest SVN, I built 8101 and it didn't work
[15:43:00] poop: This is weird. I got snd_bt87x working (verified with arecord/aplay), but myth-backend won't accept ALSA:bt87x as the capture card's audio device.
[15:43:00] mofu: poop, try dsp1
[15:44:00] poop: I'd rather no use obsolete OSS emulation.
[15:45:00] poop: It can play back using regular ALSA devices at least.
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[15:48:00] _willcooke_: Have you guys tried that mythtv distro, I forget what it's called...
[15:48:00] mocker: _willcooke_: knoppmyth maybe?
[15:49:00] _willcooke_: thats the one!
[15:49:00] Krazylegz: I use KnoppMyth.
[15:50:00] _willcooke_: Does it come with all the plug-ins, and drivers etc? You just boot, install and away you go?
[15:51:00] Krazylegz: Well, there is configuration.
[15:51:00] mofu: not sure what knoppmyth's DVB support is like
[15:51:00] Krazylegz: You will probably still have to do some work, but it makes things easier.
[15:52:00] _willcooke_: Failing that, is debian a good starting point? I hear the ubuntu packages are borked at the moment.
[15:52:00] mocker: _willcooke_: Quite a few people use Fedora because of the guide.
[15:53:00] Krazylegz: I think that the Gentoo guide is also nice.
[15:54:00] poop: Anyone know if you can record from an alsa device in svn?
[15:55:00] poop: Hmm. Does mythtv use svn?
[15:56:00] poop: All I'm seeing is CVS in the documentation.
[15:56:00] Krazylegz: Yes, MythTV now uses SVN.
[15:56:00] BigKahuna: What is a good linux TV app. Occasionaly I like to watch TV directly on my PC, TvTime doesnt support my Tuner card.
[15:56:00] poop: Where do you find the repository info?
[15:56:00] BigKahuna: mplayer and VLC aren't that pretty either.
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[15:57:00] poop: BigKahuna: no v4l driver?
[15:57:00] BigKahuna: poop, For TvTime?
[15:58:00] poop: BigKahuna: no, for linux
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[15:58:00] BigKahuna: Hmm, Im using the IVTV driver, as I think it's the only one that supports Hauppauge.
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[16:02:00] poop: Where's the mythtv svn repository?
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[16:10:00] Krazylegz: poop: Did you get that?
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[16:11:00] poop: Krazy: yeah, thanks
[16:11:00] poop: lilonet won't let me msg back :)
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[16:12:00] poop: zsh: command not found: vi
[16:12:00] poop: Now how does that happen on _any_ unix system?
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[16:28:00] Krazylegz: poop: I had to ask the host of our dedicated server to install screen and vi.
[16:29:00] adante: L U' R U2 L' U R' L U' R U2 L' U R'
[16:29:00] adante: heh sorry ignore that
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[16:31:00] poop: GNU is an add-on, but there is no unix w/o vi
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[16:43:00] tanq: I have something weird going on with my zap2it account
[16:43:00] tanq: i auth via browser and it says failed and then it lets me go in.
[16:43:00] tanq: and when i do mythtvfilldatabase it gives me unauthorized
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[16:50:00] tanq: do you actually need xmltv for the US
[16:51:00] poop: tanq: no
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[16:55:00] tanq: poop: i keep getting this error http://pastebin.ca/32379
[16:57:00] tanq: which i thought was weird. isnt it supposed to be zap2it? what is the web service from tmsdatadirect?
[16:58:00] jams: tanq- do you have a zap2it account or an LxM account?
[16:58:00] jams: your error messages looke like your attempting to connect to the LxM services
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[17:00:00] tanq: jams: a zap2it.. do you have to configure the zap2it url or is it in there by default?
[17:01:00] jams: it's there by default, just make sure you have datadirect selected and not LxM
[17:01:00] jams: is this a recent checkout of mythtv?
[17:01:00] tanq: my drop down only shows datadirect
[17:02:00] tanq: its the latest in the gentoo portage tree
[17:02:00] tanq: 0.18
[17:02:00] ** jams has no idea about gentoo **
[17:02:00] tanq: i probably should have built it myself.
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[17:09:00] poop: These Plextor ConvertX models sound pretty nice.
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[17:14:00] poop: man, 27 minutes to build svn
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[17:20:00] braniff: what repository and package name do i use to install mythtv on debian ??
[17:21:00] braniff: using apt
[17:22:00] poop: braniff: With the caveat that the debian packages are newly abandoned:
[17:22:00] poop: deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv.old (also, the paths are probably hosed)
[17:23:00] braniff: crap
[17:23:00] braniff: not good news
[17:24:00] poop: Well, they still work
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[17:24:00] poop: I build new debs myself (more features)
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[17:25:00] tanq: ok good got it working
[17:25:00] tanq: i was dyslexic on my password and didn't realize it
[17:25:00] tanq: but that still doesn't explain the weird auth issues via the browser
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[17:30:00] ** braniff looks for any kind of howto for myth on debian... **
[17:31:00] tanq: ok so what is a decent card to get that has a remote.. my cards kind of suck.. i get lines in the shows
[17:32:00] braniff: pvr 150
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[17:32:00] tanq: is it good for 16:9
[17:32:00] braniff: dunno
[17:32:00] braniff: nice clear picture for me
[17:33:00] tanq: is that HD or analog
[17:33:00] braniff: analog
[17:33:00] tanq: i have an averTV and a pinnacle
[17:34:00] tanq: both use the conexant 878A chipset
[17:34:00] tanq: and they both look like crap on both windows and linux
[17:34:00] braniff: ohh...yeah you definitely want some kind of better card then
[17:35:00] braniff: pvr 150 is a million times better than framegrabbers
[17:35:00] tanq: that pvr 150 only does 720x480
[17:35:00] tanq: good god and its 199
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[17:36:00] braniff: i run in 640x480 — never tried 720
[17:36:00] Brixius: where are you finding it for 199, I paid 99 for a pvr 150?
[17:36:00] ** braniff got his for $99 us **
[17:36:00] tanq: bestbuy
[17:36:00] braniff: bestbuy ain't exactly your best bet
[17:36:00] jams: 720x480 works fine
[17:37:00] jams: I record all my stuff at that res
[17:37:00] tanq: yeah fry's has it for 99 too
[17:37:00] jams: I use the pvr 500 and pvr 250
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[17:37:00] tanq: heh
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[17:38:00] quacker: Pinnacle used to make a 'high end' v-edit card (with a high-end privce — about CDDDN$1000+); whatever happened to them?
[17:38:00] tanq: i'm going to best buy.. they'll price match it. .
[17:38:00] quacker: errr CDDDN = CDN (Canadian)
[17:38:00] tanq: no idea.. i got the pinnacle pctv pro about 4 years ago.
[17:38:00] jams: best buy doest sell the pvr 150
[17:38:00] tanq: jams: yes they do
[17:38:00] jams: must be new then
[17:39:00] jams: none of the stores here sell it
[17:39:00] tanq: http://tinyurl.com/cdqs6
[17:39:00] tanq: go to bestbuy.com
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[17:39:00] Brixius: the pvr-500 works with myth, correct?
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[17:39:00] Syrus: right then, anyone know where/if I can find an apt source for mythtv these days? The one maintained by matt zimmerman is long gone
[17:39:00] braniff: Syrus: use yum
[17:39:00] jams: AH not for store pickup
[17:39:00] Syrus: or should I just forget that and compile it all from source etc?
[17:39:00] jams: Brixius- yes
[17:40:00] tanq: jams: they have it in the store by my house
[17:40:00] tanq: i saw it the other day
[17:40:00] tanq: but didnt look at the price
[17:40:00] tanq: a couple of weeks ago .. maybe they sold out
[17:40:00] ** tanq shrugs **
[17:41:00] braniff: anyone here know how to build mythtv from source on debian ??
[17:41:00] tanq: it must be a misprint because circuit city has it for 99 too
[17:42:00] ** braniff reads the mythtv.org FAQ **
[17:44:00] Syrus: ok, before I spend ages setting up mythtv, does anyone know of any alternatives that are a bit 'liter', I don't need PVR functionality etc..I just want a menu frontend thing for mplayer on my tv..
[17:44:00] poop: I wonder if I should blame myth or mysql for corrupting the recordedmarkup table (seems to happen to a lot of people)
[17:45:00] jams: Syrus- pretty sure thats what freevo does
[17:45:00] jams: but i have never used freevo
[17:45:00] jams: maybe even tvtime would for for you
[17:46:00] jams: depends on what card your using
[17:46:00] Brixius: poop: we've been using mysql at work for over a year on some fairly busy apps without issue, so my vote would be it's myth corrupting the table.
[17:46:00] Syrus: I'm using the machine for divx/mp3 playback
[17:46:00] Syrus: nothing to do with pvr/tv card etc
[17:46:00] braniff: uhh...xine
[17:46:00] Syrus: I want to use mplayer
[17:46:00] Syrus: it's good
[17:46:00] jams: look at freevo
[17:46:00] Syrus: I assume mythtv uses mplayer?
[17:46:00] Syrus: :p
[17:47:00] Syrus: I will have a look...
[17:47:00] Syrus: brb
[17:47:00] GreyFoxx: Syrus: You can use the internal myth player, or configure it for mplayer or xine for the downloaded/non recdording content
[17:47:00] GreyFoxx: internal player only for recordecd content
[17:48:00] poop: So mythcommflag is using nearly 100% of my cpu and it's scaled down to 1GHz. I stop powernowd to force it up to 2GHz and it's still running at near 100%.
[17:48:00] Syrus: hmm
[17:48:00] jams: that's true mythvideo work work as well
[17:48:00] Syrus: does that require mysql at all GreyFoxx ?
[17:49:00] Syrus: I'd rather not have to bother with all that...or is it how it indexes all your media?
[17:49:00] ** braniff thinks mysql is still required **
[17:49:00] Syrus: freevo might be easier..there's apt sources for it
[17:49:00] Syrus: I'll give that a go, see if it's any good
[17:49:00] GreyFoxx: Syrus: You can configure myth to let you browse the filesystem so you don't need to import the info, BUt I think it still accesses the data for other stuff
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: using myth without mysql is not likely worth the effort
[17:50:00] jams: with recent myth you can't even start the frontend unless it can find a mysql connection
[17:50:00] poop: How do I recreate the recordedmarkaup table?
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[17:50:00] poop: I can't find any schema.
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: why recreate it?
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: did you drop the table for some reason ?
[17:51:00] poop: I dropped it because the mysql file went missing.
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: the actual FILE was gone? Or you just got an error that it couldn't access it ?
[17:52:00] poop: It's probably the case that mysql_ignore_our_deficiencies could have fixed it, but I learned that after the fact.
[17:52:00] poop: Now I just need to recreate the table.
[17:53:00] GreyFoxx: why version of myth? If it's svn I can give you the schema, but I don't know if that'schanged from 0.18
[17:53:00] poop: svn
[17:53:00] GreyFoxx: ok
[17:54:00] Syrus: cheers guys, this freevo sounds spot on for my needs.
[17:54:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/recordedmarkup.sql
[17:55:00] poop: just found it in dbcheck.cpp
[17:56:00] poop: Strange that it wouldn't be kept somewhere human-accessible
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[17:57:00] GreyFoxx: There really is little need for that
[17:57:00] GreyFoxx: But I would suggest doing sqldump backups :)
[17:58:00] poop: Grey: Are there other tools for understanding the db layout?
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: you mean other than mysqldump? There is no datadictionary showing how it all ties together if that's what you mean
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[18:00:00] poop: and ERD
[18:00:00] poop: an ERD
[18:01:00] GreyFoxx: No, I don't believe there is
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[18:08:00] poop: Think the right bits are in place for mythtv to actually record from an alsa device?
[18:09:00] poop: mythtv-setup just nulls the field when I try to enter one
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: All my cards are hardware encoders and such, I don't record from any sound device
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[18:56:00] netrix: when i start mythfrontend i get "mythtv: could not connect to socket." any ideas?
[18:57:00] laga: EnterUse1Name: i believe this message is related to lirc.
[18:57:00] Dagmar: The backend and mysql need to be running. (my only guess)
[18:57:00] Juski: hi laga. I agree with you about the socket error
[18:57:00] laga: hello Juski
[18:57:00] netrix: backend and mysql is going.
[18:57:00] netrix: ah, so this message is normal?
[18:58:00] netrix: right after it i get "mythtv: no such file or directory."
[18:58:00] Juski: just below it'll say (copies from my window) "lirc_init failed for mythtv (see above messages)
[18:59:00] Juski: it only happens if you've compiled mythtv with lirc support & lirc isn't actually running when you start mythfrontend
[18:59:00] netrix: my frontend never gets that far. right after the "Registering Internal as media playback plugin" it dies.
[19:00:00] Juski: netrix: I think to be on the same side you'd better pop the output of mythfrontend -v into a pastebin
[19:00:00] netrix: alright, i ran with -v but it didn't help me diagnose the issue any better.
[19:01:00] netrix: what pastbin do you folks use?
[19:01:00] Juski: netrix: pastebin.com or pastebin.ca
[19:02:00] Juski: or whatever you like ;)
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[19:02:00] ** Juski is finding this wide theme a lot like hard work :-/ **
[19:02:00] netrix: maximum verbosity is done with 'mythfrontend -v all' right?
[19:02:00] Juski: yeh I think so
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[19:03:00] Juski: guys & gals... when I finish this thing could I enlist a few people to help test it out/debug it?
[19:03:00] netrix: Juski: 'cha working on?
[19:04:00] laga: Juski: sorry, i only have 4:3 displays atm
[19:04:00] Juski: netrix.. widescreen version of my ProjectGrayhem theme
[19:04:00] Juski: laga: it's not stopping me ;)
[19:04:00] laga: Juski: fine :)
[19:04:00] Juski: got it going in a vnc session @ 1280x720
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[19:05:00] netrix: there it is: http://pastebin.ca/32397
[19:05:00] netrix: Juski: cool.
[19:05:00] Juski: who knows how it'll look scaled down though.. maybe using lined selection boxes ain't the best plan in the world
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[19:06:00] Juski: I've got the bones of it done.. now 'all' it needs is to make use of all the xtra screen space.. lots of graphics & menus to re-jig
[19:06:00] Juski: just out of interest.. does anyone know what kind of rescaling mythtv does on the images? bicubic? quick & dirty?
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[19:07:00] laga: Juski: not off-hand. take a look at the source or ask in -dev
[19:07:00] laga: you are "developing" a theme, aren't you? ;)
[19:08:00] Juski: laga: if you've got any free time to give it a good test run I'd really appreciate it. I managed to miss loads in the last run
[19:08:00] Juski: or maybe I just need a plan of attack
[19:08:00] Juski: boxes to tick, etc
[19:08:00] laga: Juski: maybe later in the day, i've got to study spanish :/
[19:08:00] sphing: haha
[19:08:00] Juski: it's kinda galling – I've been into menus I'd never even knew were there before
[19:08:00] Juski: laga: que? ;)
[19:09:00] laga: Juski: no hablo espanol ;)
[19:09:00] sphing: laga: no es dificil
[19:09:00] Juski: so will that mean you'll be tri-lingual?
[19:09:00] sphing: espanol es mucho mas facil que el ingles
[19:10:00] laga: Juski: maybe, but what i'm taught at school isn't sufficient.
[19:10:00] Juski: much more easy to learn than english? wow. I might try it sometime
[19:10:00] laga: sphing: nope. spanish has more grammer ;)
[19:10:00] laga: grammar*
[19:10:00] sphing: laga: yea more grammar... but everything makes sence
[19:10:00] sphing: *sense
[19:10:00] sphing: its just a bunch of tenses for verbs
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[19:11:00] Juski: tres cervesas por favor ;)
[19:11:00] laga: sphing: maybe. well, the spanish grammar isn't much of a problem for me, i know some french grammar already;)
[19:11:00] laga: Juski: for our last vacation in spain, we had t-shirts that said "una cerveza por favor" ;)
[19:11:00] Juski: my french is okay – but it really got tested last time I was on holiday there.. my hire car got impounded
[19:12:00] sphing: laga... thats amazing... just point
[19:12:00] laga: my french sucks. 9 years for absolutely nothing ;)
[19:12:00] sphing: id like to learn french
[19:12:00] laga: Juski: your car got impounded? how did you do that? ;)
[19:12:00] Juski: market day
[19:12:00] laga: hehehe. nice ;)
[19:13:00] laga: sphing: english grammar is a joke. a friend of mine is trying to learn german(with her native language being english) and..umm..she's lost a lot of hair in the process ;)
[19:13:00] Juski: last time I trust someone else''s knowledge of week day names
[19:14:00] sphing: english grammar blows... thats why contracts in english are so long
[19:14:00] netrix: grrr. i have no idea what to check next to make mythfrontend work.
[19:14:00] laga: sphing: hehe.
[19:14:00] Juski: laga eh? we say words in the right order :) you'd never catch an englishman saying "the car green"
[19:14:00] Juski: just kidding btw
[19:15:00] laga: Juski: bring your own dictionary the next time ;)
[19:15:00] Juski: well it could have been a lot worse. we could've been in manchester. that really would have cost money to get the car back
[19:16:00] sphing: alright i gotta do some kernel work... which means im gonna crash... i'll ttyl
[19:16:00] laga: bye sphing
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[19:16:00] Juski: see yer later :)
[19:16:00] ** laga really hopes they won't impound his car **
[19:17:00] laga: netrix: well, what's the error message?
[19:18:00] Juski: yeh netrix: that pastebin looks like a normal startup
[19:18:00] netrix: laga: thats just the thing i don't get one. mythfrontend just dies.
[19:18:00] netrix: Juski: yeah i know ... it wasn't very useful.
[19:19:00] netrix: it does all the scaling stuff and then dies.
[19:19:00] netrix: this is on an nfsrooted host btw.
[19:20:00] sphing: netrix whats the pastebin link
[19:20:00] laga: http://pastebin.ca/32397
[19:20:00] netrix: http://pastebin.ca/32397
[19:20:00] netrix: laga: bah... you beat me. =)
[19:20:00] Juski: ugh I hate it when that happens
[19:20:00] laga: netrix: owned. ;)
[19:20:00] sphing: AHH you killed me gamecast
[19:21:00] sphing: netrix is that with verbose?
[19:21:00] netrix: yes, -v all
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[19:21:00] sphing: yea i see now
[19:21:00] netrix: Right after the last line it goes "Killed"
[19:21:00] sphing: Killed?....
[19:21:00] netrix: yeah.
[19:22:00] sphing: dmesg say anything
[19:22:00] netrix: sphing: doh... "Out of memory: Killed process 20222 (mythfrontend)."
[19:22:00] sphing: ...
[19:23:00] sphing: post `free`
[19:23:00] sphing: ok i'm probably gonna crash... so be patient
[19:24:00] netrix: http://pastebin.ca/32405
[19:25:00] sphing: sorry cant chat anymore
[19:25:00] sphing: as lame as this sounds
[19:25:00] sphing: try rebooting
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[19:25:00] netrix: ah well, at least i have an idea what it is now.
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[19:43:00] Juski: shit! I've just found out that I don't need to quit mythfrontend to see changes I make in ui.xml
[19:44:00] rsdvd: :-) Juski.....you are having a bad day
[19:44:00] Juski: no.. thursday was a bad day
[19:44:00] rsdvd: :-) what happened?
[19:44:00] Juski: rsdvd: how's the IR receiver coming on?
[19:45:00] Juski: was a Murphy's law kind of day
[19:45:00] rsdvd: thanks to all your help...they all work fine (I made 3 in the end) and now I can watch TV in the bedroom without having to have a keyboard on the bed :-)
[19:45:00] Juski: but when I got home I managed to format my HDD & get mythtv running on my spare box in 2 hours
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[19:46:00] Juski: I've seriously got to do some reading up on ubuntu though
[19:50:00] Juski: I think I'll be moving to ubuntu for my production backend system at some point. Maybe I'll just be able to install it on one system & whack the HDD into the other box
[19:51:00] Juski: so did you get minimyth up & going, rsdvd?
[19:55:00] laga: Juski: never ever touch a running system ;)
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[19:57:00] Juski: might have a point there laga :)
[19:57:00] tanq: does the pvr 150 iunclude an ir dongle ?
[19:58:00] laga: Juski: hehe
[19:58:00] Juski: tanq: the MCE version doesn't
[19:58:00] tanq: i bought the wrong one i think.. i bought the 1062 model instead of the 1045
[19:58:00] laga: Juski: maybe, but for sure a lot of experience ;)
[19:58:00] tanq: Juski: the MCE version has a usb ir dongle
[19:59:00] _willcooke_: Hey Juski, I've just started to install myth on to a new ubuntu box. Well, actually I'm still installing ubuntu. I'll let you know how I get on!
[20:00:00] tanq: i guess that is why i cam confused about the differences between the PVR 150 model 1045 and model 1062
[20:01:00] tanq: oh i see that is so gay
[20:01:00] tanq: you pay more money for MCE and it doesnt have a remote
[20:02:00] tanq: ok now i'm pissed
[20:02:00] tanq: i think i can use my tv to do it though
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[20:16:00] rsdvd: Sorry Juski.....I went for dinner :-) to answer you earlier question.....Yes I have MiniMyth working quite well.....still a few teathing problems but I am ahppy with it
[20:19:00] kedl: Sorry this is long... Hello all; I have an odd case to report; just wondered if anyone else had seen this; I have an ATI 9800 card and using the drivers from ATI didn't expect to get XV overlay and OPENGL overlay both to work. They didn't until today. I have been using just XV for tv and don't have good GL transitions in the image plugin or in other X programs. I turned on the OPENGL overlay in /etc/X11/XF86config-4 (sp?) and
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[20:22:00] netrix: hah! my mythfrontend works on my nfsrooted box now. booya!
[20:22:00] CanadaBoy: can anyone tell me how to reload lirc with rebooting?
[20:23:00] CanadaBoy: lirc confilg file in ~/.mythtv/lirc ?
[20:25:00] marcus2: whats the best video card to use for mythtv?
[20:27:00] kedl: marcus2: there are lots of opinions if you search the web; but I have used Nvidia and ATI both; and agree with most posts that Nvidia is easier to get working, but ATI looks slightly better (for my svideo, vga, and dvi setups. but both will work
[20:28:00] marcus2: interesting
[20:28:00] marcus2: i'm having a hell of a time getting drm working on a 9800 pro in my mythtv machine
[20:28:00] kedl: I have a 9800 pro; but what do you mean drm?
[20:28:00] marcus2: but my primary desktop also has a 9800 pro and drm works fine on it
[20:28:00] marcus2: direct rendering
[20:29:00] kedl: I still don't folllow; which drivers are you using?
[20:29:00] marcus2: i'm using the built in xorg drivers
[20:29:00] marcus2: by drm, i mean the ati-drivers
[20:29:00] kedl: ah
[20:30:00] kedl: well, I have used Xorg with both types of cards; but currently my ati box is runing xfree
[20:30:00] kedl: do you mean nothing displays (X)? or XV doesn't work? or what?
[20:30:00] marcus2: well, i'm running xorg on my desktop and i didnt have much trouble getting drm working there
[20:30:00] marcus2: oh, it works fine, its just not using direct rendering, so its a bit slower
[20:31:00] kedl: so you mean you have no good video overlay? XV?
[20:31:00] marcus2: also, someone in here last night implied that the upscaling might be better if i was running the ati drivers, vs letting XV do the upscaling itself
[20:31:00] kedl: it is my understanding that the ati drivers support various x extentions; xv is an X extention
[20:32:00] marcus2: right, but i'm not running the ati drivers
[20:32:00] kedl: so I am not sure what they meant about letting the ati driver do the upscaling; you want hw (xv) to do the upscaling, not the sw version in the driver
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[20:32:00] marcus2: oh, so if i'm using xv, then i'm using the hardware upscaler?
[20:32:00] marcus2: even tho i'm not urnning the ati drivers
[20:33:00] kedl: xv (xvideo) can make use of hw scalers in most cards
[20:33:00] marcus2: ahhh
[20:33:00] kedl: xv (xvideo) is an X extention, supported by various drivers for all types of video cards
[20:33:00] marcus2: ok then, so which cards will have the best scalers? :)
[20:33:00] marcus2: pref one with some sort of antialiasing in the scaler
[20:34:00] kedl: I have never tried to compare the scalers themselves; I don't know if there is a huge difference myself
[20:34:00] kedl: I think as long as you have a hw scaler you will be pretty happy; I don't know if there is going to be a huge diff; I haven't noticed
[20:35:00] marcus2: i'm pretty unhappy with the scaling i'm seeing so far
[20:35:00] kedl: the real issues I see are usually: can I get it to do the resolution I want, interlace or not, colors look good, xv overlay working at all, etc
[20:35:00] marcus2: going from my hauppage 250 to my new 37" 1080p flat panel looks like total ass
[20:35:00] marcus2: it looks 10x better if i plug a tuner with component outs into the component ins on the panel
[20:35:00] kedl: :-) I just bought a 37" 1080p westinghouse this week myself
[20:36:00] marcus2: yeah same one
[20:36:00] marcus2: HD content looks awesome, but most stuff from analog cable looks really craptastic
[20:36:00] kedl: which input on the tv are you using?
[20:36:00] marcus2: dvi1
[20:36:00] kedl: me 2
[20:36:00] kedl: but I am doing mpeg4 encoding, don't have a hauppage card
[20:37:00] marcus2: of course, something wierd is going on with the westinghouse now
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[20:37:00] marcus2: the component and vga inputs are really, really dark
[20:37:00] kedl: I think the mpeg4 encoded stuff looks great
[20:37:00] marcus2: it worked fine for the first couple of days
[20:37:00] kedl: better than I hoped actually
[20:38:00] CanadaBoy: anyone here customize there lirc file with xine?
[20:38:00] kedl: not good :-( my component hd receiver from charter and my dvi myth box look good so far
[20:38:00] kedl: marcus2: so, what looks bad about the video? blocky? dark? noisy?
[20:39:00] kedl: (before the tv went nuts)
[20:39:00] marcus2: blocky and somewhat noisy
[20:39:00] marcus2: mostly blocky
[20:39:00] kedl: could just be that your old tv "filtered" that for you
[20:39:00] marcus2: and its still that way.... dvi and svideo still work fine on the tv, its just component and vga that got dark
[20:40:00] marcus2: and even then, the OSD menus are fine, its just the video image that is screwed up.. like theres a problem with the A/d
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[20:40:00] marcus2: nah, like i said, i have an analog tuner with component outputs... when i hooked it up to the tv's component inputs, the picture was way better than mythtv plugged into the tv via dvi
[20:40:00] kedl: I had lowered my specs for mpeg4 for a while to cut the file size in half; still looked "ok" on my old tube tv; but looked pretty blocky on the hires display; so I turned the mpeg4 settings back up to normal
[20:41:00] cosmo_: anyone else find it annoying how harddrive manufacturers label the disk capacities only "approximately". I bought a 200gig hd from seagate, only to load it into linux and find 185 gigs. Overall, its not off by much, but 15 gigs is a lot of music!
[20:41:00] kedl: your card does mpeg2 encoding? or you do mpeg4 in sw like me?
[20:41:00] marcus2: the card does mpeg2
[20:42:00] kedl: any settings to adjust the quality?
[20:42:00] marcus2: yeah i upped it to the max setting, 12000kbit/s
[20:43:00] kedl: yiles; my mpeg4 stuff looks good at 2200
[20:43:00] marcus2: oh well
[20:43:00] marcus2: i think i will try a nvidia card for kicks
[20:44:00] marcus2: i have to go to frys anyway, need a single link dvi cable
[20:44:00] marcus2: strangely, things do not work when i use a dual link cable
[20:44:00] kedl: I would be surprised if the card will fix it
[20:44:00] marcus2: which doesnt make much sense to me
[20:44:00] kedl: good luck
[20:44:00] marcus2: also need to get a faster cpu so i can play HD content without frame drops
[20:45:00] marcus2: upgrading from sempron 1600+ to an atlon64 3400+ should help that, i think =D
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[20:46:00] kedl: :-)
[20:47:00] kedl: if you want I can give you a 20–30MB clip of some stuff I recorded
[20:47:00] kedl: so you can see if that looks ok or not
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[20:50:00] netrix: i get no sound from mythfrontend. i have dmix configured, and the myfrontend logs show it opening /dev/dsp. what else can i check?
[20:54:00] netrix: wait a minute, my dmix isin't working. no wonder.
[20:56:00] Krazylegz: Sony Bravia XBR LCD 40" for $3499.99.
[20:59:00] kedl: westinghouse 37" lcd 1920x1080p for US$1600 ;-)
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[21:22:00] psofa: has anyone tried matroska?
[21:22:00] psofa: i just need opinions
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[21:24:00] Flimzy: Should I compile myth against libqt 3.1 or 4?
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[21:24:00] cesman: howdy folks
[21:24:00] laga: qt 3x.
[21:24:00] laga: 3.x i mean
[21:24:00] Flimzy: okay, thanks
[21:24:00] cesman: anyone running svn having an issue w/ slave backends connection to the master?
[21:25:00] laga: cesman: no, i don't think so
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[21:28:00] cesman: laga: thanks
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[21:31:00] cwsmith: so anyone had there box freeze if you do anything other than live tv ?
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[22:07:00] Flimzy: What dev packages are necessary to compile myth w/ firewire support?
[22:07:00] Flimzy: Or... where can I find a list of these optional requirements?
[22:07:00] WAR_CH|LD: i'm trying ot make my xdm login automatically with out a user or password prompt
[22:08:00] WAR_CH|LD: I can get it to not ask for the user, but it still comes up with a little window for the password
[22:08:00] WAR_CH|LD: any ideas?
[22:08:00] Flimzy: gdm can do that, I know
[22:08:00] Flimzy: Or you could not use a display manager at all, and just add an X startup line in inittab
[22:09:00] WAR_CH|LD: right
[22:10:00] WAR_CH|LD: and how do I do that? :)
[22:11:00] Flimzy: man inittab :)
[22:11:00] Flimzy: man X will also probably come in handy
[22:14:00] WAR_CH|LD: couldn't you just not launch xdm in the runlevel in question
[22:14:00] WAR_CH|LD: and just straight launch x?
[22:14:00] rjune: WAR_CH|LD: you using gdmsetup? or trying to
[22:14:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah.
[22:14:00] rjune: oh, xdm, I missed that
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[22:14:00] WAR_CH|LD: well it's suse
[22:15:00] rjune: kdm then by default, ya?
[22:15:00] WAR_CH|LD: and i'm not sure, it has the "gdmsetup" file, but only xdm config files
[22:15:00] WAR_CH|LD: it's weird
[22:15:00] WAR_CH|LD: don't like xdm, using gnome
[22:15:00] WAR_CH|LD: I mean kde
[22:15:00] rjune: it's the dm, it's not like it matters much
[22:15:00] WAR_CH|LD: i'm not that familiar with suse
[22:15:00] Flimzy: I probably wouldn't use any dm for a myth frontend
[22:16:00] rjune: I do for my boxes, but not for my in-laws
[22:16:00] Flimzy: I should say, for a dedicated myth frontend
[22:16:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, so how do I bypasss the dm?
[22:16:00] Flimzy: inittab
[22:16:00] rjune: well, if you don't care that running myth as root isn't a great plan, you could prolly just add a line to /etc/inittab like so:
[22:17:00] WAR_CH|LD: nah, dont run as root
[22:17:00] rjune: x:5:respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/startx
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[22:17:00] Flimzy: you probably don't want to use startx if you're running from inittab
[22:17:00] Flimzy: I always just run X directly
[22:18:00] rjune: I donk't remember how I did it
[22:18:00] Flimzy: And it probably wouldn't be hard to run as non-root from inittab, too (at worst, you could write a wrapper bash/perl script to switch users)
[22:18:00] Flimzy: But IMO, a dedicated mythfrontend isn't a high-priority target for any hackers on my lan
[22:19:00] WAR_CH|LD: so that would start it as root would it?
[22:19:00] Flimzy: so I don't usually mess with changing the user
[22:19:00] WAR_CH|LD: well that defeats the purpose of making it login automatically
[22:19:00] rjune: su – -c "command" prolly
[22:19:00] Flimzy: how does that defeat the purpose?
[22:19:00] WAR_CH|LD: because I dont want the ppl who are using this to be farting around in root
[22:20:00] Flimzy: okay, so then don't start as root
[22:20:00] Flimzy: I can't figure out why ./configure says firewire is disabled
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[22:21:00] rjune: Flimzy: ieee<some Number> installed?
[22:21:00] rjune: firewire is 3894 or something right?
[22:21:00] Flimzy: yeah
[22:21:00] Flimzy: libavc1394(-dev) is installed
[22:22:00] rjune: configure isn't finding something, maybe it wants a newer version then what you have?
[22:22:00] Flimzy: it doesn't seem to
[22:22:00] Flimzy: all the configure script does is grep the include paths for 'libavc1394'
[22:23:00] Flimzy: from what I can tell
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[22:23:00] Flimzy: ahh... maybe I'm missing this libiec61883
[22:23:00] Flimzy: whatever the heck that is.. :/
[22:24:00] ** rjune shrugs **
[22:24:00] rjune: some crazy firewire thing
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[22:25:00] Flimzy: gotta find it now, I guess
[22:26:00] Flimzy: and hope it works on amd64 :/
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[22:29:00] poop: I gave up on amd64. I run 32-bit debian.
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[22:38:00] Flimzy: well so far I'm getting amd64 to work
[22:38:00] Flimzy: ... so far
[22:38:00] Flimzy: hehe
[22:38:00] Flimzy: I hafta compile most things myself
[22:38:00] Flimzy: but that's true for most of this stuff on 32, too
[22:38:00] rjune: gentoo user
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[22:39:00] Flimzy: me?
[22:39:00] Flimzy: heck no
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[22:48:00] Flimzy: Alrighty... got it to recognize firewire
[22:48:00] Flimzy: now... to play with XvMC
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[22:48:00] Flimzy: if that even works yet
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[22:50:00] Flimzy: What libraries are needed for opengl vsync support?
[22:51:00] tanq: for the pvr 150 its bttv card=10 right?
[22:52:00] Flimzy: Uhm
[22:52:00] Flimzy: I don't think the PVR 150 uses bttv at all
[22:52:00] tanq: ahh.. its the other module..
[22:52:00] tanq: conexant
[22:52:00] tanq: right
[22:52:00] Flimzy: bttv is software
[22:52:00] Flimzy: PVR has a hardware encoder
[22:52:00] tanq: for the driver though
[22:53:00] poop: ivtv is the drive for pvr cards
[22:53:00] ** Flimzy looks at his PVR-500 **
[22:53:00] Flimzy: no bttv chips on it
[22:53:00] Flimzy: Weird... I installed aRts libs, and now I have JACK support, but not aRts support
[22:54:00] mchou: Flimzy: ./configure is your friend :)
[22:54:00] Flimzy: mchou: that's exactly what I'm running
[22:55:00] Flimzy: and it's exactly what's not giving me very useful information
[22:55:00] mchou: lol
[22:55:00] Flimzy: I'm doing a lot of UTSL today
[22:55:00] poop: config.log is useful for normal autoconf
[22:55:00] rjune: Flimzy: what distro?
[22:55:00] Flimzy: Mon Dec 5 03:09:04 CST 2005
[22:55:00] Flimzy: ./configure
[22:55:00] Flimzy: That is exactly the contents of config.log
[22:55:00] Flimzy: pretty helpful, huh?
[22:55:00] Flimzy: rjune: Debian
[22:56:00] mchou: Flimzy: ./configure --help
[22:56:00] Flimzy: Yup
[22:56:00] Flimzy: --help is also --unhelpful
[22:56:00] mchou: tells you all
[22:56:00] Flimzy: tells me jack crap
[22:56:00] mchou: Flimzy: ok then.
[22:56:00] Flimzy: UTSL is the only useful info I've found yet
[22:56:00] Flimzy: hehe
[22:56:00] Flimzy: and it's naturally disorganized
[22:58:00] Flimzy: hrmph
[22:59:00] Flimzy: I prolly don't need arts anyway
[23:00:00] mchou: lol. guess utsl didnt work for you
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[23:00:00] Flimzy: What exactly is JACK support?
[23:01:00] mchou: sigh
[23:01:00] Flimzy: and do I care about it? hehe
[23:01:00] mchou: look it up on google
[23:01:00] Flimzy: I think I'll just use alsa
[23:02:00] Juski: I think JACK is all about being able to configure your soundcard ins & outs.. e.g with one setting, you have line input & mike input.. with another setting you have more audio outputs
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[23:02:00] Flimzy: Hmm
[23:02:00] Flimzy: I guess that might be helpful
[23:03:00] mchou: JACK is much more than that.
[23:03:00] Juski: got the homepage up now
[23:03:00] Juski: looks interesting
[23:03:00] rjune: I thought Jack was that trivia game where it insulted you
[23:04:00] Juski: turns out I didnt know JACK after all ;)
[23:04:00] kormoc: rjune, looks like you just don't know jack too.
[23:06:00] Flimzy: Hmm
[23:06:00] Flimzy: I guess I don't see the need for an audio server if everything's gonna be running thru Myth
[23:07:00] Flimzy: So now I need to decide if I care about OpenGL vsync support
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[23:11:00] Juski: phew.. another bit finished: http://www.juski.co.uk/screenshot.png
[23:13:00] Flimzy: I suppose for an amd64, the best optimzation would come with --tune=athlon-xp
[23:15:00] Flimzy: hrm, guess not
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[23:25:00] rjune: kormoc: what if I know jack off?
[23:25:00] kormoc: then the rest of us surely doesn't want to know about it...
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[23:26:00] rjune: LOL
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[23:27:00] Juski: anybody want to do the video-ui.xml for this theme? ;)
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[23:28:00] o_cee: Juski, that screenshot won't work well if you've got the slightest overscan.. heh.
[23:28:00] o_cee: guy who did gray-osd here?
[23:28:00] o_cee: can't remember his name
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[23:29:00] Juski: o_cee: no problem.. they can just use the GUI offset stuff
[23:30:00] Juski: o_cee: I think it was GreyFoxx
[23:30:00] o_cee: Juski, yeah well normal tv's tend to bend at the edges, just wanted to remind you ;) i don't mind personally
[23:30:00] o_cee: and he's not here, ah well
[23:31:00] Juski: thing is I'm planning to make that whole GUI setup thing a whole lot easier
[23:31:00] Juski: so if anyone needs to do it they'll be more likely to do it rather than give up after a couple of adjust > hit ESC x times, check, go back to appearance setup.. adjust (etc)
[23:36:00] Juski: jeez.. if a 1280x720 plasma overscanned by even 10% most themes would go offscreen anyway. I don't think anything has a 64 pixel border at the sides
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[23:44:00] a1fa|64: yo
[23:48:00] a1fa|64: anybody home today :P
[23:48:00] Krazylegz: Maybe.
[23:49:00] a1fa|64: hehe
[23:49:00] mofu: tried activating .htaccess for MythWeb, now getting an error message . . . . any ideas
[23:49:00] mofu: ?
[23:49:00] a1fa|64: does myth support cc?
[23:50:00] kormoc: don't beleive so
[23:51:00] Krazylegz: mofu: What is the error message?
[23:51:00] a1fa|64: hehe
[23:51:00] a1fa|64: i cant wait for the newest version to come out
[23:52:00] Krazylegz: a1fa|64: No, Myth won't support cc. Why can't you use gcc?
[23:52:00] a1fa|64: SVN?
[23:52:00] mofu: Krazylegz: two lines follow:
[23:52:00] mofu: Warning at /var/www/mythweb/includes/init.php, line 50:
[23:52:00] mofu: session_start(): open(php_sessions/sess_35ec9f6fc81907c9a18ba403df8e0b4f, O_RDWR) failed: No such file or directory (2)
[23:55:00] cout_: grr, segfault in mythtv-setup
[23:56:00] mofu: gotta go pick up dinner, brb
[23:57:00] a1fa|64: where is svn locatd@
[23:57:00] Krazylegz: mofu: Check the setting for where PHP stores your session files.
[23:59:00] cout_: krazy: why wouldn't it? just set CC and CXX in the environment...

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