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| [00:24:00] | Orfeous: | Juski: are you here ? :) |
| [00:28:00] | Juski: | present :) |
| [00:28:00] | Juski: | quite busy though so you might have to make it quick |
| [00:34:00] | bigslam: | is a Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS Sound Card even worth it? |
| [00:39:00] | Orfeous: | Juski: ok, got my twinhan card working under windows with picture and sound :D but i cant get my card working in linux :( |
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| [00:39:00] | Juski: | hooray for windows :( |
| [00:39:00] | Orfeous: | you told me that i shoudl do "modprobe -l" and paste it to pastebin? |
| [00:39:00] | Juski: | yep.. so I can have a look & see what modules you've got |
| [00:40:00] | Orfeous: | ok, wait.. |
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| [00:42:00] | Orfeous: | Juski: http://pastebin.com/434904 |
| [00:43:00] | Juski: | right... seems like you have the right modules built |
| [00:43:00] | Juski: | (at first glance) |
| [00:43:00] | Juski: | lsmod.. then paste that into a pastebin |
| [00:43:00] | Orfeous: | ok.. |
| [00:44:00] | Orfeous: | Juski: http://pastebin.com/434908 |
| [00:46:00] | Juski: | so you've not got any dvb modules loaded |
| [00:46:00] | Juski: | that won't help one bit |
| [00:46:00] | Juski: | is that enough of a hint? |
| [00:46:00] | bigslam: | how do i check what my bandwitdh speed is sending at to my other myth box? in linux |
| [00:47:00] | Orfeous: | Juski: no, i have not loaded anything |
| [00:47:00] | Orfeous: | dont know what to load. |
| [00:48:00] | Juski: | Orfeous: maybe dvb-core might be a start ;) |
| [00:48:00] | Juski: | or use coldplug (if available) |
| [00:48:00] | Orfeous: | what is coldplug? |
| [00:49:00] | Juski: | coldplug sort of autodetects hardware & loads drivers |
| [00:50:00] | Orfeous: | ok, seems that i not have it |
| [00:50:00] | Orfeous: | i have done "modprobe dvb-core" |
| [00:50:00] | Juski: | and? |
| [00:50:00] | Juski: | output of dmesg into a pastebin please |
| [00:50:00] | Juski: | an PM me... don't necessarily want to clog the channel |
| [00:51:00] | Orfeous: | understand.. |
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| [00:55:00] | bigslam: | hmm who here has a dvb card? |
| [00:56:00] | Skaface: | 95% of people in here is my guess :) |
| [00:56:00] | bigslam: | soo whats the best one? |
| [00:56:00] | Orfeous: | bigslam: what should you use it with? |
| [00:56:00] | bigslam: | mythtv? |
| [00:56:00] | Orfeous: | Terrestial? Sat? Cable?? |
| [00:57:00] | bigslam: | hmm can i even use a DVB card with sat? |
| [00:57:00] | Juski: | there's DVB-T (antenna based, or terrestrial).. DVB-C (cable) and finally DVB-S (Satellite) |
| [00:58:00] | Orfeous: | bigslam: yes, you can |
| [00:58:00] | bigslam: | i see |
| [00:58:00] | Orfeous: | bigslam: DVB = Digital Video Broadcast |
| [00:58:00] | bigslam: | can a DVB-S work with DVB-T? |
| [00:58:00] | bigslam: | or DVB-C |
| [00:59:00] | Orfeous: | dual cards? |
| [01:00:00] | Juski: | bigslam: DVB-S works with DVB-S cards only (etc) |
| [01:00:00] | bigslam: | no i have a DVB-S Nexus Card i bought it because it was a good deal im just asking if i can use it with C and not S |
| [01:00:00] | Skaface: | satellite is up in the ghz range and terrestrial is like 200mhz |
| [01:00:00] | Skaface: | i assume thats where the difference is |
| [01:00:00] | Skaface: | not sure whats different between cable and terrestrial |
| [01:01:00] | Juski: | Skaface: cable comes in on a er... cable... and terrestrial comes thru an aerial (antenna) |
| [01:01:00] | Skaface: | well, i know that :P |
| [01:01:00] | Skaface: | isnt the signal the same though? |
| [01:01:00] | Juski: | maybe, and then again maybe not |
| [01:01:00] | Skaface: | yeah |
| [01:01:00] | Juski: | depends very much on the cable provider |
| [01:02:00] | Juski: | chances are your cableco encrypts stuff |
| [01:02:00] | bigslam: | like comcast:P |
| [01:02:00] | Skaface: | but in that case a dvb-c card wouldnt work either |
| [01:02:00] | Skaface: | would it? |
| [01:02:00] | Juski: | not ****legally**** no |
| [01:02:00] | bigslam: | probley for basic cable |
| [01:03:00] | Juski: | and chances are it'll break the terms & conditions of your cable provider |
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| [01:06:00] | bigslam: | juski may i pm you? |
| [01:06:00] | Juski: | why? |
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| [01:07:00] | bigslam: | just wanted to |
| [01:09:00] | Juski: | go ahead.. not that I'm gonna make a habit of this mind |
| [01:09:00] | bigslam: | k ool |
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| [01:12:00] | Skullb0x: | I just installed the Knoppix mythtv distro, I don't have a capture card yet, but will pretty much any card work? |
| [01:12:00] | kormoc: | Skullb0x, no, there is a list of cards that will work on the mythtv website |
| [01:13:00] | kormoc: | Skullb0x, and you want a pvr 150/250/350/500 depending on your needs. |
| [01:13:00] | Skullb0x: | well a buddy told me that I could setup a server box, leave it in the closed, control mythtv all remotely or throught the web, and steam it to my xbox or something |
| [01:13:00] | Skullb0x: | is that true? |
| [01:14:00] | kormoc: | yes, you can use a xbox as a frontend and use mythweb to control recording schedules and what not via the internet |
| [01:15:00] | Skullb0x: | so then once the box is setup I wouldn't need a monitor/keyboard or mouse with that box.. i could literally just put it in the corner and have it run |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | you would need some sort of input, but yes, it can just sit there and be a mythbox. |
| [01:15:00] | Skullb0x: | ah nice.. How does it work with the xbox? |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | it works well from what I understand, but you will need to install linux on the xbox and thus you won't be able to play any games or anything iirc |
| [01:17:00] | Skullb0x: | what if i have other computers on my LAN, can they tap into the mythtv box and watch live video, or recoreded video? |
| [01:18:00] | kormoc: | yes, you can have as many frontends as your network and backend can handle |
| [01:19:00] | Skullb0x: | they can tap in, even if their using windows? |
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| [01:23:00] | kormoc: | no |
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| [01:23:00] | kormoc: | there is a windows client, called winmyth, but very very few people have gotten it to work |
| [01:23:00] | kormoc: | and it seems to be really out of date |
| [01:24:00] | Skullb0x: | oh really eh, there's no other software better than mythtv is there? |
| [01:24:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [01:24:00] | kormoc: | there's freevo and windows multimedia center edition, but for what I do, myth is the better of the bunch, but not so for others |
| [01:25:00] | Skullb0x: | like i don't get it.. what can myth do . Like I get it can capture and record videos and stuff |
| [01:26:00] | kormoc: | yes, the website explains it all for you. You can set recordings and specify shows you want it to get, and it will record them for you and allow you to play them back whenever. |
| [01:27:00] | Skullb0x: | whats the webiste again!? |
| [01:35:00] | kormoc: | mythtv.org |
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| [01:37:00] | Skaface: | can digital tv be routed straight to the video card output without being buffered on the hard drive? |
| [01:37:00] | kormoc: | Skaface, not with myth, no |
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| [01:37:00] | kormoc: | Skaface, myth is designed to timeshift everything. |
| [01:37:00] | Skaface: | yeah thats what i thought |
| [01:38:00] | Skaface: | it would be handy to be able to bypass the timeshifting on certain channels or inputs, but i guess the programming is too deeply tied into the timeshifting |
| [01:39:00] | Skaface: | in fact i never use timeshifting personally |
| [01:39:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [01:41:00] | kormoc: | and with that, I bid thee farewell |
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| [02:42:00] | kjhgkh: | Greetings guys. |
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| [02:45:00] | joel: | Does anybody know if you have to configure the xorg.conf file to get ivtv working?? |
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| [03:09:00] | qfour20: | anybody get some errors when you try to emerge lirc-0.7.2 for use with mythtv? |
| [03:10:00] | qfour20: | seems to get errors on the lirc_i2c module... does that require kernel or kernel module configuration |
| [03:11:00] | joel: | not using gentoo |
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| [03:20:00] | poonj: | hey guys |
| [03:21:00] | poonj: | for the pcHDTV-3000 |
| [03:21:00] | poonj: | do they release new firmware files? |
| [03:21:00] | poonj: | would having an old firmware file cause me to lose reception? |
| [03:23:00] | ** EnterUserName waves ** | |
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| [03:32:00] | EnterUserName: | hey |
| [03:33:00] | EnterUserName: | is xris around |
| [03:33:00] | ** EnterUserName needs some info on nuvexprot ** | |
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| [03:33:00] | Cardoe: | qfour20: you have kernel 2.6.14? |
| [03:33:00] | EnterUserName: | how doyou chaneg the aspect radio |
| [03:33:00] | EnterUserName: | if its not seeing it properly |
| [03:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Use the menu and pick Change Aspect Ratio, or use the W key to cycle through the different ratios |
| [03:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or use the setup menus to pick the default |
| [03:37:00] | EnterUserName: | oh ok |
| [03:38:00] | EnterUserName: | ya its messing up on nuvexprot.. ill try it |
| [03:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | oh |
| [03:38:00] | EnterUserName: | its not inserted properly on the aspect ratio |
| [03:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, sorry I wasn't reading that this wsa nuvexport realted |
| [03:38:00] | EnterUserName: | in mythtv so nuvexport isnt working |
| [03:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | What I wastalking about was in mythfrontend playback only |
| [03:43:00] | EnterUserName: | hmm |
| [03:43:00] | EnterUserName: | the aspect ratio is recoprded as 0.0000:1 |
| [03:43:00] | ** EnterUserName sighs ** | |
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| [03:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | Enter : Something you recorded in myth? What kind of capturecard ? |
| [03:47:00] | EnterUserName: | pvr150 |
| [03:47:00] | EnterUserName: | i have no idea i must of screwed up on the aspect ratio |
| [03:47:00] | EnterUserName: | i think id id square not knowing i couldn't burn it to dvd |
| [03:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | What is telling you that the capturecard in the file is wrong ? |
| [03:47:00] | EnterUserName: | GreyFoxx: i can watch it on my Mythfrontend |
| [03:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | err sorry , what is saying that the aspect ratio in the file is wrong ? |
| [03:48:00] | EnterUserName: | nuvexport is saying that the aspect ratio is 0.0000:1 |
| [03:48:00] | EnterUserName: | but every other fiel that i have is fine.. |
| [03:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | got transcode installed ? |
| [03:48:00] | EnterUserName: | yup |
| [03:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | what does tcprobe -i filename.mpg tell you for the aspect ratio ? |
| [03:48:00] | EnterUserName: | oh my system is at is max lol im donig too much |
| [03:48:00] | EnterUserName: | let me see |
| [03:49:00] | EnterUserName: | wow transcode takes alot of juice |
| [03:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | tcprobe should be almost instant |
| [03:50:00] | EnterUserName: | no i was runign transcode |
| [03:50:00] | EnterUserName: | on a dvd file |
| [03:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok |
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| [03:50:00] | EnterUserName: | umm |
| [03:50:00] | EnterUserName: | it says the ratio is 1:1 |
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| [03:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | Very weird |
| [03:51:00] | EnterUserName: | ya.. nuvexport doesnt like it. though im also using the most recent version of mpegtools |
| [03:51:00] | EnterUserName: | and transcode |
| [03:51:00] | EnterUserName: | which isnt supported yet i dont think |
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| [03:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | EnterUserName: I wouldn't know :) |
| [03:55:00] | EnterUserName: | ok |
| [03:55:00] | EnterUserName: | well im using any2vob right now lets see if that works :) |
| [03:55:00] | EnterUserName: | but i think my processeor kinda maxed at the moment.. |
| [03:55:00] | EnterUserName: | man and i thought amd 64 bit athons were good |
| [03:55:00] | EnterUserName: | should have got an opeteron :p |
| [03:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't burn anything to DVD anymore, and what mpeg2 -> mpeg4 encoding I do is under windows as all of the *nix tools appear to suck imho :) |
| [03:57:00] | Randall64: | a processor being maxed means it's working |
| [03:58:00] | EnterUserName: | mainactor |
| [03:58:00] | EnterUserName: | is pretty good |
| [03:58:00] | bigslam: | http://pastebin.com/435045 |
| [03:58:00] | bigslam: | why? |
| [03:59:00] | Randall64: | Anyone ever tried this sagetv thing? |
| [03:59:00] | EnterUserName: | Randall64: i cant find the unix version |
| [03:59:00] | EnterUserName: | i jusgt hear about it |
| [03:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | bigslam: uhhhh it tells you what the problem is |
| [03:59:00] | EnterUserName: | but no where to download it |
| [04:00:00] | bigslam: | why wouldnt Term/ReadKey.pm be there? |
| [04:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | How would anyone but you or the guys who make your distro know ?:) |
| [04:00:00] | bigslam: | hehe they wouldnt:P |
| [04:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | But to be sure search /usr for ReadKey.pm just in case you have some corruption |
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| [04:02:00] | Randall64: | $ apt-file search Term/ReadKey.pm |
| [04:02:00] | Randall64: | libterm-readkey-perl: usr/lib/perl5/Term/ReadKey.pm |
| [04:03:00] | bigslam: | i got it from cpan |
| [04:03:00] | bigslam: | im using Slackwre |
| [04:03:00] | bigslam: | Slackware |
| [04:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | Just install Term::ReadKey |
| [04:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | None of my boxes have it either |
| [04:08:00] | ** EnterUserName sighs ** | |
| [04:08:00] | EnterUserName: | looks like any2vob dont like the new version either |
| [04:09:00] | EnterUserName: | its giving me unknown format errors.. |
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| [04:17:00] | gnoob: | howdy all. |
| [04:17:00] | gnoob: | why is this channel logged to there? |
| [04:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | Because some people decided to do it ? |
| [04:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | and it makes it searchable as the same questions often get asked over and over |
| [04:18:00] | gnoob: | ah |
| [04:19:00] | gnoob: | so can i ask a question that may have been asked a few times before? |
| [04:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | go ahead. Someone will usually answer if they are paying attention and can :) |
| [04:20:00] | Randall64: | It tries to change the rules of IRC. |
| [04:20:00] | gnoob: | I can't record something and watch something else without having two TV cards right? |
| [04:21:00] | toom: | ok, how do i enter channels manually if scan doesn't work? |
| [04:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Randall64: Are you referring to the logbot? |
| [04:21:00] | Randall64: | Grey: yes |
| [04:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | And how exactly is it trying to change some "rules" ? |
| [04:21:00] | Randall64: | The "Instant" part is what I refer to |
| [04:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | Instant part of what ? :) |
| [04:22:00] | Randall64: | IRC |
| [04:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well the logbot is not intended to replace IRC, and I assume you don't think that the I in IRC stands for instant |
| [04:23:00] | Randall64: | What does Instant Relay Chat stand for then? |
| [04:23:00] | Chutt: | 'Internet Relay Chat' |
| [04:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | Internet Relay Chat |
| [04:23:00] | Randall64: | drat |
| [04:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | the "Instant" stuff came about with IM's like ICQ and all that |
| [04:24:00] | Randall64: | Despite my mis-acronym, it is somewhat realtime. |
| [04:24:00] | Randall64: | You might as well google if you don't want to talk to someone. |
| [04:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | Noone is disputing that :) |
| [04:29:00] | gnoob: | i like how when you google it makes all those O's for all the extra pages. |
| [04:40:00] | EnterUserName: | wow |
| [04:40:00] | EnterUserName: | i did |
| [04:40:00] | EnterUserName: | it |
| [04:40:00] | EnterUserName: | made a dvd now i gotta understand all the options :) |
| [04:42:00] | bigslam: | alot of perl modules to install:/ |
| [04:44:00] | EnterUserName: | thank you all for the help everyone :) With the html links were great :) |
| [04:45:00] | gnoob: | EnterUserName; what program did you use>? |
| [04:46:00] | EnterUserName: | i didnt |
| [04:46:00] | EnterUserName: | i used transcode |
| [04:46:00] | EnterUserName: | and mplex |
| [04:46:00] | EnterUserName: | i have to look over any2vob.sh so i can do my own little script |
| [04:46:00] | gnoob: | ah |
| [04:46:00] | EnterUserName: | i have enuff know how to do it im just a bit lazy |
| [04:47:00] | gnoob: | lazy, i hear that. |
| [04:47:00] | EnterUserName: | its a lot of work to go through a long shell script like that |
| [04:47:00] | EnterUserName: | eheh |
| [04:48:00] | bigslam: | whats META.yml? |
| [04:50:00] | gnoob: | does myth have an option to just burn a show to a CD in the format it's in? |
| [04:50:00] | EnterUserName: | NOPE |
| [04:50:00] | EnterUserName: | mainactor works with suse |
| [04:51:00] | bigslam: | found it |
| [04:51:00] | gnoob: | hmm, looking to set something up for my mom. She would need it easy. |
| [04:51:00] | EnterUserName: | gnoob: try mainactor |
| [04:51:00] | EnterUserName: | its pretty good |
| [04:52:00] | EnterUserName: | but its commercial for linux |
| [04:53:00] | gnoob: | what exactly is it? Just video editing type software? |
| [04:55:00] | gnoob: | yikes for 200 bucks it's a no go anyway. |
| [04:56:00] | EnterUserName: | lol |
| [04:56:00] | EnterUserName: | umm |
| [04:57:00] | gnoob: | i was just thinking a feature were if she recorded something for someone else she could just press "copy to CD" and have it burn to a blank CD would be interesting. |
| [04:58:00] | gnoob: | haveing to switch programs or interfaces is not a good idea. |
| [04:58:00] | gnoob: | for her. |
| [04:58:00] | Randall64: | "back up for personal use" |
| [04:58:00] | toom: | guys, everytime i select 'watch tv' i end up in a black screen and a frozen frontend. what's wrong? |
| [04:59:00] | Randall64: | toom: What has actually worked so far? |
| [04:59:00] | gnoob: | yes, that's what i meant. I meant to says "for somehwere else" like a safe place. |
| [04:59:00] | gnoob: | um yeah. |
| [05:00:00] | toom: | Randall64: i can scan channels, if i enter all the data manually. frquency, bandwidth, FEC and so on. and it locks on and updates the channels |
| [05:00:00] | webbnetsys: | toom, same here. I have been trying to troubleshoot it as well. |
| [05:01:00] | toom: | Randall64: i also could tzap -r and cat the device into mplayer and watch tv |
| [05:01:00] | Randall64: | man, you're speaking Greek |
| [05:01:00] | webbnetsys: | I am able to do the dd=/dev/video and the cat /dev/video as well |
| [05:01:00] | Randall64: | <-- doesn't have a fancy hardware encoder |
| [05:01:00] | webbnetsys: | I am having problems with the xorg.conf file |
| [05:01:00] | toom: | well, you asked, what worked :) |
| [05:02:00] | Randall64: | toom: I'm just a facilitator in this instance |
| [05:02:00] | toom: | i just noticed that my tvguide is empty. does that matter? |
| [05:03:00] | Randall64: | My soon-to-be-former project manager told me today that I'd be a good analyst. I hate that guy. |
| [05:03:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hey is there anyway to force ntp to run daily to resync clock? |
| [05:03:00] | toom: | i'm filling it now |
| [05:03:00] | SlicerDicer-: | my clock keeps screwing up and it misses parts of recordings |
| [05:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | SlicerDicer-: as a cronjob |
| [05:03:00] | toom: | SlicerDicer-: setup ntpd |
| [05:03:00] | SlicerDicer-: | GreyFoxx, bam there ya go :) |
| [05:03:00] | Chutt: | use ntpd, not a cronjob. |
| [05:03:00] | Randall64: | SlicerDicer: ntpdate is simpler |
| [05:04:00] | bigslam: | hmm |
| [05:04:00] | Chutt: | ntpd will keep the time right, a cronjob with ntpdate will just reset it however often you run it. |
| [05:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | I run ntpd on one box, and all of the others ntpdate to it |
| [05:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I don't mind the couple seconds drift over a day |
| [05:05:00] | toom: | couple secounds over one day? wow |
| [05:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have 1 machine that drifts 7–9 seconds per day, the others are 1–3 |
| [05:06:00] | Randall64: | sounds like a peecee alright |
| [05:07:00] | gnoob: | i thought a clock drifing like that means a bad BIOS battery. |
| [05:07:00] | gnoob: | or something |
| [05:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | The 7–9 second machine I would believe it. It's a 5+year old install that hasn't bee touched physically other than to move it from rack to rack :) |
| [05:13:00] | bigslam: | how long does it take to compile mythtv? |
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| [05:15:00] | Randall64: | bigslam: 20 minutes |
| [05:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | My slavebackend takes about 50 or so minutes, my masterbackend is closer to 20 minutes |
| [05:18:00] | PaulWay: | General booting question – I've swapped motherboards on my main and media systems and now the media system won't get past udev loading audio. |
| [05:18:00] | PaulWay: | Do I have to flush some configuration somewhere or get it to rescan? |
| [05:19:00] | toom: | ok, when i go to 'watch videos' and select a video i get this summary of it which doesn't say anything about it. just it's name, everything else is 0. how do i start playback? |
| [05:20:00] | PaulWay: | toom: I just hit <ENTER> and it plays... |
| [05:20:00] | PaulWay: | It may look like it's not playing back if e.g. mplayer is loading and immediately borking out because of some error. |
| [05:20:00] | toom: | i have the console which started the frontend on the other screen |
| [05:20:00] | toom: | i can see, if something goes wrong .. |
| [05:21:00] | PaulWay: | Try using the same player with the same file on a command line... |
| [05:21:00] | PaulWay: | It might report something there... |
| [05:22:00] | PaulWay: | Anything, toom? |
| [05:22:00] | toom: | yeah it works |
| [05:22:00] | toom: | just opens the player on display .0 but the frontend is on .1 :) |
| [05:23:00] | PaulWay: | ah. |
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| [05:23:00] | PaulWay: | That's odd. |
| [05:23:00] | toom: | i might have to add the -display flag to the standard call |
| [05:24:00] | PaulWay: | If you've got two displays, and should always come up on .1, then yeah that's probably a good idea. |
| [05:24:00] | toom: | well, it's got a tv and a monitor and i don't want both to show the same thing |
| [05:24:00] | PaulWay: | Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any notion of which display is 'current' in X... |
| [05:28:00] | toom: | right. now, when i 'watch tv' it says: 2005-11–19 13:21:37.713 Disable DPMS |
| [05:28:00] | toom: | does that mean that i need to take it out of the config or that myth is just disabling it for me |
| [05:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Disabling it for you |
| [05:29:00] | toom: | fine |
| [05:30:00] | toom: | next would be: taking too long to be allowed to read.. and then a few times Waited 4 seconds for data to become available, waiting again... |
| [05:30:00] | toom: | and then Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/home/tv/buffer/ringbuf1.nuv |
| [05:30:00] | toom: | what does that tell you? |
| [05:31:00] | toom: | there is also a 'Decoder not alive, and trying to play..' |
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| [05:31:00] | PaulWay: | What does the mythbackend log say about why it couldn't write the ringbuffer? |
| [05:32:00] | PaulWay: | Anyone got any help for me with my boot issues? |
| [05:32:00] | PaulWay: | (sorry to beg, but it's rather important to me :-) |
| [05:32:00] | toom: | Starting up as the master server. |
| [05:33:00] | toom: | sorry, no idea about the udev thing |
| [05:33:00] | toom: | but basically i think it should just skip parts that don't work |
| [05:34:00] | toom: | rather than freezing |
| [05:34:00] | PaulWay: | I suppose I could see if it can boot up in single-user mode... |
| [05:34:00] | PaulWay: | Yeah, that's what's bothering me. |
| [05:34:00] | PaulWay: | It's a hard lockup, too, doesn't respond to keyboard or anything. |
| [05:35:00] | PaulWay: | For a while I thought my wireless keyboard had lost its connection... |
| [05:36:00] | toom: | :) |
| [05:36:00] | PaulWay: | toom: I've seen that 'can't read the ringbuf file' error, and in my case it was because I'd changed video sources and my backend didn't have the right DTV multiplex IDs any more. |
| [05:36:00] | PaulWay: | The key will be in the backend log, and why it can't write the ringbuf file... |
| [05:36:00] | toom: | but the log doesn't say anything |
| [05:36:00] | toom: | this is the last entry: Starting up as the master server. |
| [05:37:00] | PaulWay: | Any more entries if a frontend tries to go into TV-watching mode? |
| [05:37:00] | toom: | just a sek |
| [05:38:00] | toom: | no |
| [05:40:00] | PaulWay: | Unfortunately my media machine is down with the boot problem at the moment, so I can't check what mine does :-/ |
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| [05:40:00] | toom: | there should be a 'Connecting to backend server:' somewhere, right? |
| [05:41:00] | EnterUserName: | woo hoo |
| [05:41:00] | EnterUserName: | i modifed any2vob to work with my system |
| [05:41:00] | ** EnterUserName rocks ** | |
| [05:41:00] | PaulWay: | I would have thought so, toom. |
| [05:42:00] | PaulWay: | EnterUserName: sounds interesting, whassit for? |
| [05:42:00] | EnterUserName: | converting video files to burn to dvd format |
| [05:42:00] | PaulWay: | (apart from converting anything to vobs, apparently). |
| [05:42:00] | EnterUserName: | though its maxing out my cpu usage. |
| [05:42:00] | EnterUserName: | so my music is skipping :( |
| [05:42:00] | PaulWay: | Nice it down. |
| [05:42:00] | EnterUserName: | im gunna buy dual channel ram |
| [05:42:00] | EnterUserName: | maybe that will help my system :) |
| [05:42:00] | PaulWay: | It's good stuff. |
| [05:43:00] | toom: | PaulWay: there is one. it also sais: Could not bind to UDP notify port: 6948 |
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| [05:43:00] | PaulWay: | I reckon I see a 15–20% speed improvement using DDR. |
| [05:43:00] | EnterUserName: | really? i have ddr single ram rightr now |
| [05:43:00] | PaulWay: | toom: Have you got a firewall rule that allows that UDP port through on the backend? |
| [05:44:00] | toom: | it's all on one machine |
| [05:44:00] | toom: | and i don't think that there is a firewall running |
| [05:44:00] | EnterUserName: | does anyone ever get problems with the mpeg2video libraries getting messed and have to reboot sometimes |
| [05:44:00] | EnterUserName: | its happening on my system and its annoyign the hell out of me |
| [05:44:00] | PaulWay: | Ah, sorry, I misread your message. It looks like something is bound to 6948. |
| [05:44:00] | toom: | how do i check for the firewall? |
| [05:45:00] | toom: | it's gentoo |
| [05:45:00] | PaulWay: | do 'fuser -n udp 6948' |
| [05:45:00] | toom: | and i haven't read the firewall howto yet :) |
| [05:46:00] | PaulWay: | then 'ps -fp <the number that fuser gives you>'. |
| [05:46:00] | toom: | 6948/udp: 7586 7588 7589 7590 |
| [05:46:00] | toom: | which one? |
| [05:47:00] | PaulWay: | all of them. ps -fp 7586 7588 7589 7590 |
| [05:47:00] | toom: | mythfrontend --geometry 1024x768+0+0 -display :0.1 for all of them |
| [05:48:00] | PaulWay: | You've got four frontends running? |
| [05:48:00] | toom: | i started just one |
| [05:48:00] | PaulWay: | Hmmm, maybe it's a multiprocess. |
| [05:48:00] | PaulWay: | Although I've never seen it do that on my system. |
| [05:48:00] | toom: | well they all have themselves as parents |
| [05:49:00] | PaulWay: | That's odd. |
| [05:49:00] | PaulWay: | That should actually be impossible. |
| [05:49:00] | PaulWay: | they should have another process as the parent. |
| [05:49:00] | toom: | there we go: http://pastebin.ca/29189 |
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| [05:50:00] | toom: | or http://pastebin.ca/29190 for the full list |
| [05:52:00] | PaulWay: | No, you see, I'd say that 7586 is the main instance and it's started three subprocesses, 7588, 7589 and 7590. |
| [05:52:00] | toom: | i agree |
| [05:52:00] | PaulWay: | And you've started 7586 at the command line. |
| [05:52:00] | toom: | yes |
| [05:53:00] | PaulWay: | This is not what I'd define as 'they all have themselves as parents'. |
| [05:53:00] | PaulWay: | But I'm getting too bogged down in semantics. |
| [05:53:00] | toom: | ok, sorry :) |
| [05:53:00] | PaulWay: | Don't worry, not a problem. |
| [05:53:00] | PaulWay: | So the back end log said it couldn't bind to UDP 6948, yes? |
| [05:54:00] | toom: | no, the frontend said that |
| [05:54:00] | toom: | the backend is happily saying nothign |
| [05:54:00] | PaulWay: | Ah. |
| [05:54:00] | PaulWay: | Hmm. |
| [05:55:00] | PaulWay: | I hate "faith restarts", but have you tried stopping the front end, stopping and starting the backend, and then starting the front end again? |
| [05:55:00] | toom: | i'll do it .. |
| [05:56:00] | PaulWay: | Woah, I've just got an email from a friend saying "I've never looked at the Mozilla software before....hmmmm.....interesting." |
| [05:56:00] | PaulWay: | Have I not been out proselytising the heathens enough? |
| [05:57:00] | PaulWay: | toom: one good trick you can try is to start the backend in another terminal tab (or window) to watch its log directly. |
| [06:00:00] | toom: | is that any different than tail -f /var/log/mythev/mythbackend? |
| [06:00:00] | toom: | that's what the frontend sais: http://pastebin.ca/29191 |
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| [06:02:00] | toom: | maybe i should remove the --verbose none from the parameterlist of the backend |
| [06:04:00] | toom: | ok, now it's running in --verbose all |
| [06:05:00] | toom: | aha |
| [06:06:00] | toom: | 2005-11–19 14:03:34.352 DVB#0 Trying to tune to channel 3. |
| [06:06:00] | toom: | 2005-11–19 14:03:34.371 DVB#0 ERROR – Unable to find channel in database. |
| [06:07:00] | toom: | that's on startup.. might be unimportant but i'll change it |
| [06:14:00] | PaulWay: | OK, let's tackle the boot problem another way; what boot options are there for the kernel? How do I test the boot process? |
| [06:20:00] | ** EnterUserName is so tired ** | |
| [06:20:00] | EnterUserName: | common FFMPEG hurrhy up |
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| [06:24:00] | PaulWay: | Beat it regularly and it'll run faster... :-) |
| [06:26:00] | toom: | 2005-11–19 14:25:12.484 DVB#0 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup. |
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| [06:33:00] | hari_seldon99: | Hi |
| [06:34:00] | hari_seldon99: | anybody home? |
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| [06:35:00] | hari_seldon99: | Hi |
| [06:35:00] | kormoc: | Mornin' |
| [06:35:00] | hari_seldon99: | having problems creating dvds in knoppmyth using mythtv |
| [06:36:00] | hari_seldon99: | I get a popup saying "resolution too small at 720X480, please set to 800X600 at least. However, my XF86Config-4 says modes are at 800X600??!?!?? |
| [06:36:00] | kormoc: | Am I? No I am not, as I don't use knoppmyth nor do I try to make dvd's from myth's stuff. |
| [06:37:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh |
| [06:37:00] | hari_seldon99: | well, I don't either, but it'd be nice if everything worked |
| [06:38:00] | hari_seldon99: | nuv2disc interface works when I access mythtv remotely from my desktop, but not from my tv, even though I think I set the screen res right |
| [06:39:00] | hari_seldon99: | any ideas? Wanna see my XF86Config-4 |
| [06:39:00] | hari_seldon99: | ? |
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| [06:40:00] | ille: | run the command xdpyinfo to ses your actual screen res |
| [06:40:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok |
| [06:40:00] | hari_seldon99: | hang on |
| [06:40:00] | ille: | it gives alot of output so maby you have to run xdpyinfo | more |
| [06:40:00] | hari_seldon99: | Can I ssh to the PVR and run it remotely, or do I have to do so locally? |
| [06:41:00] | ille: | do it locally |
| [06:41:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok, hang on. I'll goto the pvr & do it from there |
| [06:42:00] | ** PaulWay has just successfully distracted himself by decoding Haley's garbled speech in Order of the Stick ** | |
| [06:42:00] | toom: | damnit |
| [06:43:00] | drb: | say, anyone know why the bitrate settings for my pvr250 are being ignored? |
| [06:43:00] | drb: | Everything is being recorded at the same (default) rates, even though the shows are each set differently |
| [06:43:00] | hari_seldon99: | OK, I ran xdpyinfo locally, the output is here:http://pastebin.com/435117 |
| [06:44:00] | hari_seldon99: | yep, screen0 says 720X480 pixels |
| [06:44:00] | hari_seldon99: | but my XFree86Config-4 says 800X600??? |
| [06:45:00] | hari_seldon99: | here is my XF86Config-4:http://pastebin.com/435118 |
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| [06:46:00] | hari_seldon99: | Where did I go wrong? |
| [06:46:00] | ille: | I think the settings are in XF86Config |
| [06:47:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh |
| [06:47:00] | hari_seldon99: | I'll look |
| [06:48:00] | ille: | nah, should be XF86Config-4 |
| [06:48:00] | hari_seldon99: | yeah, thought so |
| [06:48:00] | hari_seldon99: | but, all I see for my tv-out is 800X600 |
| [06:51:00] | hari_seldon99: | the section for the hauppauge tv-out in my XF86Config-4 says modes "800X600", so it shuld be set to 800X600, right? |
| [06:51:00] | PaulWay: | Nup, doesn't even boot if you remove rhgb and quiet off the boot line and add single. |
| [06:52:00] | PaulWay: | Anyone got any other ideas for how to work out what's going wrong if a system boots up and locks up hard when udev gets to the audio scan stage? |
| [06:54:00] | ille: | # |
| [06:54:00] | ille: | HTimings 720 752 840 928 |
| [06:54:00] | ille: | # |
| [06:54:00] | ille: | VTimings 480 484 488 504 |
| [06:55:00] | ille: | hari: 720x480 in the monitor section |
| [06:55:00] | hari_seldon99: | ille: Should I change those settings then? |
| [06:55:00] | hari_seldon99: | 720-->800, 480-->600 ? |
| [06:56:00] | ille: | try it, you can always revert it back with ssh |
| [06:56:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok |
| [06:57:00] | hari_seldon99: | did it, now rebooting the pvr, will take a couple of mins |
| [06:57:00] | ille: | no need to |
| [06:57:00] | ille: | # /etc/init.d/gdm restart, or CTRL-ALT BACKSPACE |
| [06:58:00] | ille: | only restarts X session |
| [06:58:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh, right. I'm just used to rebooting the PVR whenever I do something to it (I'm using knoppmyth, and nothing works unless the daemons start in the right order)) |
| [06:59:00] | ille: | I also use knoppmyth and never reboot :) |
| [06:59:00] | hari_seldon99: | anywho, it rebooted and the same error occurs?? |
| [07:00:00] | hari_seldon99: | xdpyinfo gives the same res |
| [07:00:00] | ille: | btw are you using PVR350 as tvout? |
| [07:00:00] | hari_seldon99: | 720X480 |
| [07:01:00] | hari_seldon99: | yes, I'm using pvr350 tv-out |
| [07:01:00] | ille: | ohh, then we changed the monitor setttings, not the tv-out |
| [07:01:00] | hari_seldon99: | silly me |
| [07:02:00] | ille: | dunno if the PVR350 gives more then 720x480 as tv-out |
| [07:02:00] | hari_seldon99: | but there are no "HTimings" or "VTimings" settings in the tv-out section |
| [07:03:00] | hari_seldon99: | ille: If tv-out does not support res > 720X480, then that means I can't rip dvd's using the nuv2disc interface thru the tv? |
| [07:04:00] | hari_seldon99: | Don't get it |
| [07:05:00] | drb: | so, anyone know why mythtv wouldn't be changing bitrates when it should? |
| [07:05:00] | ille: | Found the solution on the KM forum, edit nuv2disc.sh to remove the size check |
| [07:05:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh, ok |
| [07:05:00] | hari_seldon99: | hang on |
| [07:06:00] | ille: | Edit the "MYX=" and "MYY=" lines to match your resolution |
| [07:06:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok |
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| [07:07:00] | hari_seldon99: | Many lines with MYX in them, which one shuld I edit? |
| [07:07:00] | ille: | MYX=`echo $MYRES | awk -Fx ' { print $1 } '` |
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| [07:08:00] | ** PaulWay now attempts to flash the BIOS in the hope that that might, just, fix something... ** | |
| [07:08:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh, I just get rid of the RHS and put 800 there? |
| [07:10:00] | ille: | try MYX=720 MMY=480 |
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| [07:11:00] | hari_seldon99: | yeah, I got it to work, I just set [if MYX -lt 800 to if[MYX -lt 400 and similarly for MYY |
| [07:11:00] | hari_seldon99: | presumably, those are conditional controls of some kind |
| [07:12:00] | hari_seldon99: | now, I guess I have to set lirc keybindings for nuv2disc |
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| [07:12:00] | hari_seldon99: | shouldn't be to too hard |
| [07:12:00] | hari_seldon99: | thanks ille: |
| [07:12:00] | ille: | hari: there is also a KM forum #knoppmyth |
| [07:13:00] | ille: | channel |
| [07:13:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh, didn't know that, thx for telling me |
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| [07:22:00] | toom: | desparation |
| [07:22:00] | toom: | despair |
| [07:23:00] | toom: | whatever |
| [07:24:00] | toom: | how to i do that: DVB#0 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup. |
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| [07:36:00] | toom: | where are these programme ids? |
| [07:36:00] | toom: | in the database |
| [07:42:00] | hari_seldon99: | hi again |
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| [08:10:00] | toom: | which player uses mythtv for livetv? |
| [08:10:00] | kormoc: | mythtv does? |
| [08:11:00] | toom: | what? |
| [08:11:00] | kormoc: | mythtv uses mythtv to play live tv? |
| [08:11:00] | kormoc: | I'm not sure what you're asking... |
| [08:11:00] | toom: | ah |
| [08:11:00] | toom: | i'm getting a blue rectangle while playing tv |
| [08:12:00] | toom: | and i thought it might be a misconfiguration of the player |
| [08:12:00] | toom: | so i assumed it uses mplayer but couldn't find one running |
| [08:12:00] | kormoc: | nope, myth uses itself |
| [08:13:00] | kormoc: | myth records live tv to the disk and plays it right away, it's exactly the same as watching a recording |
| [08:13:00] | toom: | so how do i replace the blue screen by something useful |
| [08:13:00] | kormoc: | do already recorded programs work? |
| [08:13:00] | toom: | i havent' recorded anything |
| [08:13:00] | toom: | i got it running a few minutes ago |
| [08:14:00] | toom: | and my guide isn't working |
| [08:14:00] | kormoc: | ahh, sounds like your tuner card still isn't working yet |
| [08:14:00] | toom: | it is |
| [08:14:00] | toom: | i can hear the audio |
| [08:14:00] | kormoc: | what is it? |
| [08:14:00] | toom: | tv |
| [08:14:00] | toom: | what is what |
| [08:16:00] | kormoc: | your tuner card, what is it? |
| [08:16:00] | toom: | dvico dvb-t |
| [08:16:00] | kormoc: | ahh, I don't know anything about dvb cards. |
| [08:17:00] | toom: | doesn't matter because it's working |
| [08:17:00] | kormoc: | I have heard they can be really tricky at times. |
| [08:18:00] | toom: | and i can get a nice picture when i use tzap, cat and mplayer |
| [08:18:00] | toom: | but that's obviously not the way to do it |
| [08:19:00] | kormoc: | you sure myth knows it a dvb card? (myth-setup) |
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| [08:22:00] | toom: | well |
| [08:22:00] | toom: | it's showing tv on the monitor |
| [08:22:00] | toom: | but as soon as i launch it on the tv it's blue |
| [08:23:00] | kormoc: | ahh, so how are you doing the tv out? |
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| [08:23:00] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc hihi |
| [08:23:00] | kormoc: | mythtv uses a output method known as XV to display the video, whatever tv out method you use needs to support that. |
| [08:23:00] | kormoc: | hihi SlicerDicer |
| [08:24:00] | SlicerDicer: | I finally broke down and blew apart my system making gtk apps look like qt ones |
| [08:24:00] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [08:24:00] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [08:24:00] | SlicerDicer: | yeah I completely redid my system |
| [08:24:00] | SlicerDicer: | went to kde 3.5 |
| [08:24:00] | kormoc: | nice, how do you like it? |
| [08:25:00] | SlicerDicer: | great once you fix it lol |
| [08:25:00] | SlicerDicer: | wana see? |
| [08:25:00] | SlicerDicer: | its got better dual monitor support I love it |
| [08:27:00] | SlicerDicer: | ahh hell... ok it looks terrible still haha |
| [08:27:00] | SlicerDicer: | I can never get it right :P |
| [08:27:00] | kormoc: | hehe |
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| [08:30:00] | toom: | kormoc: using nvidia kernel module |
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| [08:30:00] | kormoc: | toom, that defently supports xv |
| [08:31:00] | toom: | mplayer happily works on the tv |
| [08:32:00] | kormoc: | mplayer doesn't always use xv |
| [08:33:00] | toom: | yes |
| [08:33:00] | toom: | it's a dual screen config |
| [08:33:00] | toom: | Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 |
| [08:33:00] | toom: | Screen 1 "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0" |
| [08:33:00] | toom: | if that matters |
| [08:34:00] | toom: | and Clone is off |
| [08:34:00] | toom: | i'll try cloning |
| [08:34:00] | kormoc: | that should be fine |
| [08:34:00] | kormoc: | I run a tri head setup like that and it works fine |
| [08:35:00] | toom: | so.. |
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| [08:38:00] | toom: | well |
| [08:38:00] | toom: | works now |
| [08:38:00] | toom: | this time i opened an xterm on the tv and just ran the frontend |
| [08:39:00] | toom: | last time i started it with -display :0.1 |
| [08:40:00] | kormoc: | that shouldn't make a difference |
| [08:42:00] | toom: | but it does |
| [08:44:00] | kormoc: | try starting it on the montior with |
| [08:44:00] | kormoc: | DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend |
| [08:47:00] | Dagmar: | x.y where y is the second display of a dual-display configuration? |
| [08:47:00] | toom: | just trying to record something |
| [08:47:00] | toom: | yes Dagmar |
| [08:48:00] | kormoc: | Dagmar, 0 is the xserver number and 1 is the display number, starts at 0 |
| [08:48:00] | Dagmar: | K. Danke. I've never bothered to mess with the y argument there |
| [08:48:00] | kormoc: | Dagmar, :0.x is the same as localhost:0.x |
| [08:48:00] | Dagmar: | Running multiple X servers I'm familiar with |
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| [08:49:00] | Dagmar: | I've just basically ignored the last bit because I've never needed it until recently (I use Devilspie) |
| [08:49:00] | kormoc: | heh, fair nuff |
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| [08:50:00] | toom: | it's flagging.. |
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| [08:51:00] | Dagmar: | Mine is *maybe* flagging commercials now. |
| [08:51:00] | toom: | so, recording actually doesn't take very much cpu, does it? |
| [08:51:00] | Dagmar: | I can never remember what damn button tells it to skip commercials when I'm watching it |
| [08:51:00] | Dagmar: | toom: If you have a PVR card, next to nothing |
| [08:51:00] | toom: | i do |
| [08:51:00] | Dagmar: | You might as well just be downloading it with wget for all the load it adds |
| [08:52:00] | kormoc: | toom, dvb is not a pvr card, but most dvb cards are just as effecent |
| [08:52:00] | Dagmar: | ...which is why I'm making a set of Dropline packages of MythTV available for Christmas release |
| [08:52:00] | Dagmar: | It's just too damn leet to not have on a workstation |
| [08:52:00] | kormoc: | by pvr people here mean the Win PVR 150/250/350/500 |
| [08:52:00] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [08:52:00] | toom: | ah, no i don't |
| [08:52:00] | Dagmar: | DVB has to do less work, even |
| [08:53:00] | Dagmar: | ...like it matters since the mpeg encoding takes place on the PVR-xx0 cards, but with DVB it's just getting compressed data in the first place. |
| [08:53:00] | toom: | aha, it sais it found 1 break |
| [08:53:00] | Dagmar: | I have heard unpleasant things about using firewire tho |
| [08:53:00] | toom: | in 5 minutes |
| [08:53:00] | toom: | hope there's something left :) |
| [08:53:00] | Dagmar: | Seems to be pretty CPU intensive with some of the newer drivrs |
| [08:58:00] | toom: | ok, it didn't work very well |
| [08:59:00] | Dagmar: | What button *does* skip to the end of the commercials during playback, or is that information not available to the frontend? |
| [08:59:00] | Dagmar: | I'm starting to get the impression that data isn't actually useful to anything but nuvexport |
| [08:59:00] | toom: | ah, you need to press a button? |
| [08:59:00] | Dagmar: | Ugh now I remember seen the automatic commercial skipping flag |
| [09:00:00] | Dagmar: | I will have to ask xris something about that when I next see him |
| [09:00:00] | toom: | i don't know anything about it |
| [09:00:00] | Dagmar: | s/seen/seein'/ |
| [09:00:00] | Dagmar: | I swear to god after I get this paging system done at the office I'm going to take a crack at doing a CGI just to reconfigure the goddamn thing |
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| [09:01:00] | Dagmar: | ...simply because I can shop out all the crazy stuff that I do *not* care about |
| [09:01:00] | Dagmar: | It's like a jungle in Setup once you've installed mythplugins |
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| [09:02:00] | toom: | this nuvexport is the only way to convert nuvs into something more useful? |
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| [09:03:00] | toom: | seems my box is too crappy to use mplayer to play it |
| [09:04:00] | toom: | mythtv can't do it either |
| [09:04:00] | toom: | without skipping |
| [09:06:00] | kormoc: | toom, yes, nuvexport is the only thing |
| [09:07:00] | kormoc: | Dagmar, once the commericals are flagged |
| [09:07:00] | kormoc: | e z e in the playback will skip them |
| [09:08:00] | Dagmar: | Ah, thank you |
| [09:08:00] | Dagmar: | I've had poor luck with poking at buttons at random |
| [09:08:00] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [09:08:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | z skips forward, q skips back (in case it got the detection wrong |
| [09:08:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | look at keys.txt to avoid random keypressing. :) |
| [09:09:00] | kormoc: | Dagmar, yeah, after xris and I have told everyone at work it many many times, it's sorta stuck up there :) |
| [09:10:00] | Dagmar: | I'm going to have to do something about that too |
| [09:10:00] | Dagmar: | If I get REALLY lucky I can figure out how to add a main menu option to pull up a JPG file displaying the major play controls |
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| [09:14:00] | kormoc: | heh |
| [09:14:00] | kormoc: | welp, it's bed time for minion kormoc |
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| [09:36:00] | Juski: | . |
| [09:36:00] | laga: | hi Juski |
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| [09:42:00] | chaoticgeek: | hello all |
| [09:43:00] | chaoticgeek: | I've got a question, will myth tv work with a WinTV-GoPlus card? its the cheap-o tv tuner card, not the PVR kind like the 150 or better |
| [09:43:00] | chaoticgeek: | it can only record and watch tv |
| [09:45:00] | Dagmar: | That's all any of them do |
| [09:45:00] | Dagmar: | The software does the rest |
| [09:45:00] | chaoticgeek: | oh |
| [09:45:00] | chaoticgeek: | ok |
| [09:46:00] | chaoticgeek: | ahh I see, mine does not have the special features as the 150 and up does, like built on encoder or decoder stuff |
| [09:47:00] | laga: | chaoticgeek: greetings. somewhere on your system, there is probably a file called CARDLIST. it comes wih the kernel sources, for example. if you don't feel like installing them, you could google it. |
| [09:47:00] | Dagmar: | So it's probably a conexant chip |
| [09:47:00] | Dagmar: | If it's PCI it's *probably* supported by some driver or other |
| [09:47:00] | Dagmar: | There's a link on the mythtv documentation page to a hardware compatibility database |
| [09:47:00] | Dagmar: | http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-view_articles.php |
| [09:48:00] | Dagmar: | WinTV Go is listed as bttv |
| [09:48:00] | Dagmar: | No problem there so long as you've got a decent CPU |
| [09:49:00] | chaoticgeek: | speteron(sp?) 3400+ |
| [09:50:00] | laga: | speteron? umm...opteron? ;) |
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| [09:51:00] | chaoticgeek: | 3400+ sempron |
| [09:51:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [09:51:00] | laga: | should work, i believe. |
| [09:51:00] | chaoticgeek: | I have no clue why I never remember it |
| [09:52:00] | arnducky: | Re: chaoticgeek. |
| [09:52:00] | chaoticgeek: | hi |
| [09:53:00] | chaoticgeek: | in that link, Someone got freeevo working w/ my card |
| [09:53:00] | arnducky: | What is the core bus speed in a 3400+ Sempron? |
| [09:53:00] | chaoticgeek: | so if mythtv fails I can try freevo |
| [09:54:00] | chaoticgeek: | ok, and some others got mythtv to work w/ my card |
| [09:54:00] | arnducky: | Is it related to the 400Mhz FSB AthlonXP 3200+ ? |
| [09:54:00] | chaoticgeek: | here http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-pvrhwdb.php?fi . . . odified_desc |
| [09:54:00] | ** arnducky can't keep up with AMD & Intel codenames these days... +( ** | |
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| [09:55:00] | chaoticgeek: | arnducky: Dagmar gave me this link here you go http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-view_articles.php |
| [09:56:00] | arnducky: | On my old ATI Radeon AIW, or on Sempron? |
| [09:56:00] | arnducky: | (err 'about' my old...) |
| [09:57:00] | chaoticgeek: | search for your ATI card and see if it turns up any results |
| [09:57:00] | chaoticgeek: | arnducky: here you go http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-pvrhwdb.php?fi . . . odified_desc |
| [09:57:00] | chaoticgeek: | wait, never mind |
| [09:58:00] | arnducky: | chaoticgeek, I've messed with cvs from source... |
| [09:58:00] | arnducky: | Unless there are new sites since the last solid 6–7 hours of 'googling'... =( |
| [09:59:00] | chaoticgeek: | oh |
| [10:00:00] | arnducky: | I'm still open to 'specific' suggestions, though. |
| [10:00:00] | Juski: | morning |
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| [10:01:00] | arnducky: | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&am . . . amp;oe=UTF-8 |
| [10:03:00] | arnducky: | That was a pull-down option in kubuntu's konqueror search lsit (before I even typed anything besides 'ATI 'in it) The first time I tried the search bar adn it has dynamic links... Truly amazing. |
| [10:06:00] | chaoticgeek: | cool |
| [10:06:00] | arnducky: | http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct . . . l&page=1 |
| [10:06:00] | chaoticgeek: | sry I ignored you, I was having problems with my cup |
| [10:06:00] | arnducky: | =(( |
| [10:07:00] | chaoticgeek: | that sucks |
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| [10:07:00] | arnducky: | cups for printers under UNIX or a like a cofee cup? |
| [10:08:00] | arnducky: | "The only problems I have found is that the TV Tuner absolutely does not work, even after downloading and installing brand new GATOS ATI.2 drivers, AVView, XawTV etc... |
| [10:08:00] | arnducky: | " |
| [10:08:00] | chaoticgeek: | > NOTE: The ATI TV Wonder series and the ATI All-in-Wonder series of cards |
| [10:08:00] | chaoticgeek: | > are not the same. The All-in-Wonder cards will not work with MythTV. |
| [10:09:00] | chaoticgeek: | adding salt to the wound |
| [10:11:00] | chaoticgeek: | arnducky: I guess I'm lucky, I got an external card, not the realy good one, that works... I got it onsale too, 35 bucks |
| [10:11:00] | chaoticgeek: | not external, just seperate |
| [10:13:00] | Juski: | hey laga: hope all is going well for you. I'm just fine-tuning grayhem now :) |
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| [10:14:00] | Orfeous: | Juski: hello there |
| [10:14:00] | Juski: | Hi Orfeous |
| [10:14:00] | Orfeous: | how are you? |
| [10:14:00] | Juski: | tired as hell... been up for 2 hours |
| [10:14:00] | Juski: | I'll go back to bed when this theme's done |
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| [10:14:00] | Orfeous: | ok.. |
| [10:15:00] | Orfeous: | have you got anymore tips or hints for my problem with the linux? |
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| [10:15:00] | Juski: | no, sorry |
| [10:15:00] | Orfeous: | damn |
| [10:15:00] | Juski: | the solution is probably staring you in the face though |
| [10:15:00] | Orfeous: | i was hoping that you had some clues :P |
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| [10:16:00] | Juski: | you said last night that you don't want it to be too easy... haven't you been having enough bother with it just to give in & use a distro you know will pick the card up right away? |
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| [10:17:00] | Dagmar: | What problem? |
| [10:17:00] | Orfeous: | Juski: no.. :) life is hard :D and i must face it :D |
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| [10:18:00] | Juski: | Dagmar: Orfeous is trying to get a Twinhan DVB-T card working |
| [10:18:00] | Juski: | and Orfeous: make a rod for your own back why don't you? lol |
| [10:19:00] | Dagmar: | Twinhan is bttv |
| [10:19:00] | Juski: | I think that much has been established already, Dagmar |
| [10:20:00] | Juski: | dvb-bt8xx |
| [10:20:00] | Juski: | and bt-8xx modules are loaded |
| [10:20:00] | Orfeous: | Juski: is Dagmar your friend or does he might be able to help me? |
| [10:20:00] | Juski: | I don't know Dagmar but we've exchanged words before |
| [10:21:00] | Orfeous: | ok |
| [10:21:00] | Juski: | and I ain't no expert on anything ;) |
| [10:21:00] | arnducky: | chaoticgeek, I paid $400 CDN+ tax for it new in 2000 and RN, I'd gladly trade it for an ordinary AGP Pro 4x/8x card with more RAM. |
| [10:21:00] | Dagmar: | Is it giving you *any* interesting information in the syslog when it loads those modules? |
| [10:21:00] | arnducky: | Probably to an (M$) Windows geek. |
| [10:21:00] | Dagmar: | I'm seeing things like http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies- . . . /399174.html which indicate to me it should be no major feat |
| [10:21:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: do you think maybe you can try to helo me? Juski tried this night to help.. but it didnt work out :( |
| [10:22:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: Check that URL |
| [10:22:00] | Orfeous: | brb.. reboot to linux |
| [10:22:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: paste that url when i come back in a minute-. |
| [10:22:00] | Orfeous: | see ya |
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| [10:24:00] | arnducky: | I can buy a new OEM GForce with 128 MB DDR for about $35 CDN, and if I knew of a very Linux-compatible 66MHz PCI tuner card, even used (but guarranteed not to be burnt out) I'd probably jump at the opportunity. |
| [10:24:00] | Dagmar: | Hauppage PVR-500 MCE |
| [10:25:00] | Dagmar: | Dual tuners, hardware accel, $130 or so |
| [10:25:00] | Dagmar: | Works like a champ with 2.6.x provided you have pre-emptive kernel locks not enabled |
| [10:26:00] | chaoticgeek: | so much reading |
| [10:26:00] | chaoticgeek: | I'd like to get one of the pvr ones |
| [10:28:00] | Dagmar: | basically, if you can blow $130 on the tuner card, the PVR-500 is the shiznit |
| [10:28:00] | Dagmar: | ...for analog anyway |
| [10:29:00] | Dagmar: | Hugely because it's cheaper than two PVR-150's |
| [10:30:00] | Dagmar: | CPU load when watching or recording TV is near nothing |
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| [10:31:00] | chaoticgeek: | but before I do anything with schedualing recordings, I need to fix my time |
| [10:31:00] | chaoticgeek: | I cant seem to get kubntu to give me the correct time |
| [10:33:00] | arnducky: | http://www.reades.com/radeon.html <-- bingo! |
| [10:34:00] | arnducky: | He says he's done it (back in 2003), but that he had to compile his own kernel and use XFree86. All my Linux is 'upgrade' to X.org now (Debian's Etch did this to me!) |
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| [10:35:00] | chaoticgeek: | cool |
| [10:35:00] | Orfeous: | now, back again! |
| [10:36:00] | Dagmar: | I'm seeing things like http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies- . . . /399174.html which indicate to me it should be no major feat |
| [10:36:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, how hard is it change pre-emptive kernel locks (in Debian, Gentoo, or Ubuntu), and will it make the system unstable? |
| [10:37:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: ready to try helping me? |
| [10:37:00] | chaoticgeek: | playlists of playlists |
| [10:37:00] | chaoticgeek: | that sounds fun |
| [10:37:00] | Dagmar: | If you have ivtv and you turn them ON, the machine will suffer spontaneous reboots |
| [10:37:00] | Dagmar: | If you turn them off (which is basically no big deal) there isn't any problems or slowdown really |
| [10:38:00] | Dagmar: | basically you just recompile the kernel without them enabled. No big deal |
| [10:39:00] | arnducky: | Also, what about getting getting a single-tuner card? (I've never even heard of that brand). If i'm watching TV (or doing ripping from VHS, or another S-video feed) I probably don't care about kernel load. A compile can be reniced and take days for all I care if I can use my box for something else. |
| [10:40:00] | Dagmar: | The PVR-150, 250, and 350 are all single tuners |
| [10:40:00] | Dagmar: | IIRC the difference between the 250 and 350 is that the 350 has svideo out accelleration for playback as well |
| [10:40:00] | Dagmar: | Not the most useful thing in the world, since mpeg2 takes very little CPU to play back fullscreen |
| [10:40:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, the only way I've ever installed a kernel is with a distro's installer, or an apt-get 'kernel-image' package. I couldn't handle slack when it wanted my (supposedly supported) adaptec SCSI card to have a module or kernel options added. |
| [10:42:00] | Dagmar: | It's not very hard to recompile a kernel |
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| [10:42:00] | Dagmar: | It just takes a few shots of vodka the first time |
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| [10:42:00] | arnducky: | And I failed with Gatos and DRI despite following the instructions exactly (probably only because the .configure and makelinux crap assumes 2.4.x and I had JUST removed it after 'upgrding to 2.6.y').... [and so on and so forth and so much more blahblablablaaaa...] |
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| [10:42:00] | Dagmar: | This is no big suprise. The Gatos instructions were probably dead wrong |
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| [10:44:00] | Orfeous: | someone else here with a Twinhan DVB-t card and wants get it working in linux with kernel 2.6.14.2? Im open for suggestions for help. |
| [10:44:00] | Orfeous: | cant get it working |
| [10:44:00] | Dagmar: | You have yet to actually say what it is or isn't doing |
| [10:45:00] | Orfeous: | dont know where to begin |
| [10:45:00] | Dagmar: | "Can't get it working" could easily entail "it's still sitting in the FedEx box" |
| [10:45:00] | Dagmar: | What does it do when you laod the modules? |
| [10:45:00] | Dagmar: | ...like what is it saying in syslog? |
| [10:45:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, (yeah!) their cvs even had a different diredtory structure and URI when it wasn't offline. I do have 2 three internal HDD. If the sole goal of an install is to prove that the ATI features will work, how would you start? (And do you feel like skimming throught the howtos html pages I have from 'Googling' to see if they seem even partially sane? |
| [10:45:00] | Orfeous: | when me and Juski tried.. linux said that there was no such devices in /dev/dvb |
| [10:46:00] | Orfeous: | so i have not gone any further |
| [10:46:00] | Dagmar: | LOOK at hte URL I gave you |
| [10:46:00] | Dagmar: | It has a script on it that creates the proper entries in /dev |
| [10:46:00] | Orfeous: | sent the url again please |
| [10:47:00] | Dagmar: | I'm seeing things like http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies- . . . /399174.html which indicate to me it should be no major feat |
| [10:47:00] | Dagmar: | When asking questions it is equally important to listen for answers |
| [10:47:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: trying.. |
| [10:48:00] | arnducky: | I was going to install gentoo on my /dev/hdd anyhow... Would it lend itself well to the right/best x-server, drm/dri kernel mods, gatos (or dri) drivers and stuff? |
| [10:48:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, is that URL for Orfeous? |
| [10:48:00] | Agrajag-: | Orfeous: i have a couple of those cards |
| [10:48:00] | Agrajag-: | Orfeous: using 2.6.13 though |
| [10:48:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: i have looked at that site before and tried the script but i dont know if it worked anyway |
| [10:48:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: Yes,relating to the odd dvb-t model card he has |
| [10:48:00] | Dagmar: | It *should* work |
| [10:48:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: aah.. maybe you could help me then ;) |
| [10:49:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: It *creates* the device nodes you say are missing |
| [10:49:00] | arnducky: | Did you have a chance to read my questions too? |
| [10:49:00] | Dagmar: | I generally don't touch ATI cards. |
| [10:49:00] | Dagmar: | I've never had one that configured correctly the first time around. |
| [10:49:00] | Dagmar: | Generally when I do get them working I am left saying to myself "okay, now what the fuck did I just do?" |
| [10:50:00] | Agrajag-: | Orfeous: these are the modules i load (order is important): videodev bttv dvb_core v4l1_compat v4l2_common video_buf dst dvb_bt8xx |
| [10:51:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: the strange is that when i do this "cd /dev" and then "cd dvb" i points to "/dvb" not "/dev/dvb" :) |
| [10:51:00] | Agrajag-: | try rmmod'ing everything to do with dvb/v4l and then load those |
| [10:51:00] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
| [10:51:00] | Orfeous: | and when i do "ls /dev/dvb" it says that the devices not exists :P |
| [10:51:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: Have you *run that script* yet? |
| [10:51:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: going to.. :) |
| [10:52:00] | arnducky: | "XFree86 uses the XVideo (or Xv) extension to enable hardware video overlay, which is used to accelerate the playback of video clips. The following drivers all support video playback using Xv. |
| [10:52:00] | Agrajag-: | that script from that whirlpool site isn't necessary |
| [10:53:00] | Dagmar: | It'll create the devices he's missing |
| [10:53:00] | Agrajag-: | that's not the right way to do it |
| [10:53:00] | Dagmar: | I dont' want to think about why udev isn't doing the right thing |
| [10:53:00] | Agrajag-: | when the driver is loaded it'll create them |
| [10:53:00] | Dagmar: | I was working from the assumption (which may have been stupid and why I was asking him if he'd actually DONE anything) that the modules had been loaded |
| [10:54:00] | Dagmar: | Unless his distro is crap, actually hotplug should have loaded the modules on boot up |
| [10:54:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, ATI says that GATOS stuff is incompatible with their proprietary stuff, but that it still *may* work with DRI stuff. |
| [10:54:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: it's all a mess |
| [10:54:00] | ** arnducky sighs ** | |
| [10:54:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: so.. where to begin? |
| [10:54:00] | Dagmar: | sh NVIDIA-Linux-1.0–7676.run > * |
| [10:55:00] | Agrajag-: | Orfeous: do what i said – unload all related dvb/v4l modules |
| [10:55:00] | arnducky: | Yeah — I've thrown sever days at it in the past with now joy (probably almost 20 hours now on different occasions) |
| [10:55:00] | Agrajag-: | hotplug and whatnot on my system by default loads the modules in an incorrect order and i end up with no dvb devices |
| [10:55:00] | arnducky: | server/al... now/no |
| [10:56:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: let me show you what was loaded automaticilly at startup.. |
| [10:56:00] | Orfeous: | i have disablet hotplug in kernel.. |
| [10:56:00] | chaoticgeek: | maybe I should sleep |
| [10:56:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: http://pastebin.com/435227 |
| [10:57:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, do you haave any preference or insights regarding DRI vs GATOS? I replaced my XFree86 dir with the GATOS built one once and saw no differences, aside fromt eh fact the card ran in 1xAGP mode which it probably did before I was watching dmesg and /var/logs/x |
| [10:57:00] | Agrajag-: | well.. rmmod tuner, bttv, video_buf, btcx_ris, tveeprom |
| [10:58:00] | Agrajag-: | then load the ones i said before in that order i said |
| [10:58:00] | arnducky: | chaoticgeek, maybe I should eat. Betweent he two of us we can almsot live like humans ought to... |
| [10:58:00] | Dagmar: | Agrajag-: You should probably define that as a set of modules.conf directives and see if you can get Google to notice it |
| [10:58:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: ok.. |
| [10:58:00] | arnducky: | (*maybe*) |
| [10:58:00] | Dagmar: | ...so that it will load them in the right order |
| [10:59:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: trying.. |
| [10:59:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: Like I said, I avoid ATI like I avoid lip sores |
| [10:59:00] | Agrajag-: | Dagmar: im just trying to get him to do it manually to see if it'll work at all |
| [10:59:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: Load the modules like Agrajag- said so we'll know exactly where the problem lies |
| [11:00:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: hmm.. videodev have i compiled as built in kernel not as module |
| [11:01:00] | arnducky: | Well, you didn't always. So which did you use, gatos or dri? |
| [11:01:00] | ** arnducky cajoles Dagmar ** | |
| [11:01:00] | Dagmar: | I used DRI because as bad as it's docs were, the gatos docs were worse |
| [11:01:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: maybe it doesnt matter |
| [11:01:00] | Dagmar: | It works on my notebook out of sheer luck, I think |
| [11:01:00] | arnducky: | Ah so. What ATI cards did you play (fight?) with? |
| [11:02:00] | Dagmar: | Mainly notebook chipsets |
| [11:02:00] | Dagmar: | On desktops, I just replace the video card |
| [11:02:00] | arnducky: | Radeom Mobility 7500/8500/9000/9200 M? |
| [11:03:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, are you a 'pro'? (If so, who's pimping you out — errr, what company, that is — heh?) |
| [11:03:00] | Dagmar: | I work for a uni right now |
| [11:04:00] | arnducky: | kewl |
| [11:04:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: maybe i should recompile kernel and built the video-part as modules so i know what happens :) |
| [11:04:00] | Dagmar: | It's just about as immune to violent economic shift as you can get |
| [11:04:00] | arnducky: | Read Simon Tataglia's BoFH stuff yet? |
| [11:04:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: yes, you should have made all that stuff modules |
| [11:04:00] | Dagmar: | I never killed anyone |
| [11:04:00] | Agrajag-: | Orfeous: yeah.. you want the v4l/dvb stuff as modules |
| [11:04:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: ok.. recompiling now.. |
| [11:04:00] | arnducky: | LOL — I'll take that as a big 'yes' (to my Q.), Dagmar. |
| [11:04:00] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [11:05:00] | Orfeous: | are there anything maybe that i have missed that is important to get the stuff wokring? |
| [11:05:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-.. |
| [11:05:00] | Agrajag-: | nope. it's pretty basic |
| [11:05:00] | arnducky: | I found my Uni sysadmins to be the nicest I've dealt with so far, actually. |
| [11:05:00] | Agrajag-: | i found my uni sysadmins to be total dumbarses |
| [11:05:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: ok.. trying now |
| [11:07:00] | arnducky: | Without their dogged loyalty to keeping even very expensive proprietary UNIX, against bureaucratic pressure for Evil Empire (tm)(R)(c) product I'd probably be trapped in M$-luserland today still. |
| [11:07:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: bt848 video for linux, Conexant 2388x (bt878 successor) support, DVB Support for cx2388x based TV cards, DVB Core support, BT8xx based PCI cards |
| [11:07:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: those are now modules |
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| [11:08:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: DVB For Linux doesnt work to compile as module.. |
| [11:08:00] | arnducky: | And now they have repalced nearly all the AiX and even Solaris, Irix and SGI with Linux. |
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| [11:08:00] | Agrajag-: | Orfeous: is CONFIG_DVB_BT8XX=m |
| [11:08:00] | Agrajag-: | included in that list? |
| [11:09:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: any DVB Frontends to select? |
| [11:09:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: yes it is |
| [11:09:00] | Dagmar: | make config is bad about letting you create fried .configs |
| [11:09:00] | Dagmar: | You should really use menuconfig. |
| [11:09:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: i am.. |
| [11:09:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: Then you compiled something into the kernel that required something else that you've compiled as a module |
| [11:09:00] | arnducky: | No large labs on campus have gone over to Win(su)XP AFAIK, though some Win2K boxen have surely been fortified with the newer greater Evil — LOL |
| [11:10:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: Did you do `make mrproper` before you tried to build that kernel? |
| [11:10:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: im not compiling now.. just selecting in devices. im waiting for answer from Agrajag- |
| [11:11:00] | Agrajag-: | nah i dont have any dvb frontends selected |
| [11:11:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: ok.. |
| [11:11:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, are you with a 'Hell Desk' (support) group? (If so, have you found a good *support group* for yourself yet?) |
| [11:11:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: when I have to look for help, things are *dire indeed* |
| [11:11:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: CONFIG_DVB=y |
| [11:11:00] | Dagmar: | I sit and monitor the campus NOC and extended network |
| [11:12:00] | Agrajag-: | Orfeous: yep that's what you want |
| [11:12:00] | Dagmar: | I get calls *from* the help desk people on occasion |
| [11:12:00] | arnducky: | Do you *work* in tech-sppt? I ask because you mentioned pulling cards out of desktops. |
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| [11:12:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: then i might is done. |
| [11:12:00] | Dagmar: | I used to do on-site field repair for a couple of different companies |
| [11:13:00] | Orfeous: | does the Remote control work in linux with any DVB app? |
| [11:13:00] | Dagmar: | lirc makes remotes work |
| [11:13:00] | arnducky: | ('desktops'- plural) |
| [11:13:00] | Orfeous: | anything special in kernel for that? |
| [11:13:00] | Dagmar: | Nope |
| [11:13:00] | Orfeous: | except usb support :) |
| [11:13:00] | Agrajag-: | Orfeous: you need lirc stuff |
| [11:13:00] | Dagmar: | lirc is it's own package. It will make a kernel module if it needs one |
| [11:13:00] | Agrajag-: | oh for that card |
| [11:13:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar — of video edit and capture systems? |
| [11:14:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: Of everything |
| [11:14:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah those remotes identify themselves as a usb keyboard |
| [11:14:00] | Dagmar: | Literally |
| [11:14:00] | Agrajag-: | you don't need lirc |
| [11:14:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: ok, thanks. |
| [11:14:00] | Dagmar: | For awhile I worked for a company that had a horrible contract for repair with the State |
| [11:14:00] | arnducky: | CRAY-IIs? |
| [11:14:00] | Agrajag-: | i've got the keymap somewhere for it which'll help you |
| [11:14:00] | Dagmar: | I got sent to fix all kinds of stupid things. |
| [11:14:00] | arnducky: | ;-) |
| [11:14:00] | arnducky: | SS7 telecom servers? |
| [11:14:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: i think i got some problems with the usb.. when the remote adapter is connected. |
| [11:14:00] | Dagmar: | Printers, servers, switches, desktops, scanners, drives, tape backup units, filesystems... |
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| [11:15:00] | arnducky: | Cisco, Lucent, Ascend, Nortel, AT&T boxen? |
| [11:15:00] | Dagmar: | Basically I'd go to the office in the morning, grab about 15 pieces of paper, load the trunk of my car with stuff and head downtown |
| [11:15:00] | Agrajag-: | Orfeous: http://home.whatsbeef.net:1339/~filip/visionplus_keys.txt |
| [11:15:00] | Agrajag-: | i gtg now |
| [11:15:00] | Agrajag-: | have fun |
| [11:15:00] | Agrajag-: | :P |
| [11:16:00] | arnducky: | Sounds like excellent 'training' (I assume you survived with sanity your mostly intact). |
| [11:16:00] | arnducky: | ;-D |
| [11:16:00] | Dagmar: | yep |
| [11:16:00] | arnducky: | What do you do nowadays? |
| [11:16:00] | Dagmar: | "Fix things" |
| [11:16:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag-: damn ;) |
| [11:16:00] | Dagmar: | For giggles I make binary packages for Dropline |
| [11:17:00] | toom: | re |
| [11:17:00] | Dagmar: | I like beta'ing new MMORPGs |
| [11:17:00] | ** arnducky is glad he can't see people drooling and hear them giggling maniacally via plain-Jane-IRC. ** | |
| [11:17:00] | Dagmar: | I had more fun with lua scripting in World of Warcraft's beta than I did playing the game |
| [11:18:00] | arnducky: | Oh, wow. I've signed up and never even got a 'thanks for applying, now PFO' form e-mail. |
| [11:18:00] | Dagmar: | I am seriously considering going back to it when they have the expansion. Alliance forces will get either proper elves or pandaren as player classes. |
| [11:18:00] | Dagmar: | ...and I won't have to worry about getting banned out of a closed beta. :) |
| [11:18:00] | arnducky: | I work in (live) F&T production now though. |
| [11:18:00] | arnducky: | (live as opposed to editing and pre/post-production, nto as in broadcast) |
| [11:19:00] | Dagmar: | People were not exaggerating when they said Blizzard listens to it's beta testers |
| [11:19:00] | arnducky: | !Dropline |
| [11:19:00] | arnducky: | !help |
| [11:19:00] | Dagmar: | www.droplinegnome.org is maybe what you're trying to find out |
| [11:20:00] | Dagmar: | It was cool to report a bug and see it fixed by the end of the week |
| [11:20:00] | Dagmar: | ...and occasionally have GMs catch me at something and just laugh it off. |
| [11:20:00] | Orfeous: | rebooting brb |
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| [11:20:00] | arnducky: | I'm jsut about lycosed, askjeevesed, googled, hotboted, and apt-cache_searched out for tonight — heh |
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| [11:21:00] | Dagmar: | Ugh |
| [11:21:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, do you play 'RW' (hah!) RPGs? |
| [11:21:00] | Dagmar: | Not anymore |
| [11:21:00] | arnducky: | Did you? |
| [11:21:00] | Dagmar: | Handling excessive numbers of numbers are what we invented computers for |
| [11:21:00] | Dagmar: | In like the early eighties |
| [11:22:00] | Dagmar: | I could really care less about the fiction most fo the time, I just like figuring out the weaknesses in a complex semi-chaotic system |
| [11:22:00] | Dagmar: | <-- brought genocidal techniques to EverQuest |
| [11:22:00] | arnducky: | A significantly younger ex-IT_pro/geek (still hacking ANSI C) friend of mine dreams of doing what you're discussing. |
| [11:22:00] | Dagmar: | He's not fond of money then |
| [11:23:00] | Dagmar: | Tech repair pays crap unless you're doing your own consulting |
| [11:23:00] | arnducky: | I'm trying to osuh him, but he's a passive-aggressive type. |
| [11:23:00] | Dagmar: | He probably needs less morals. |
| [11:23:00] | arnducky: | No, I meant content creatioin not tech suppt — LMLiddleFeatheredTailO! |
| [11:23:00] | arnducky: | osuh = push |
| [11:24:00] | Dagmar: | Mm... content creation I am not so good at |
| [11:24:00] | Dagmar: | Gimme an Idea and I can work it to the nth degree, but I have no skill with poetry |
| [11:25:00] | arnducky: | Would you like a job working together with artists; designers; writers on the tech side? |
| [11:25:00] | Dagmar: | Not at the moment. I've every intention of making sure there's a mythtv package set for Dropilne before Christmas and it's going to take quite a bit of testing |
| [11:26:00] | arnducky: | Up here creative-geeks are not chained to an oar in the EA galley [Cf. UF.org cartoon]. |
| [11:26:00] | Dagmar: | I knew some of those people |
| [11:26:00] | Dagmar: | EA should have been sued long ago |
| [11:27:00] | Dagmar: | One of the easiest ways for techs to royally fuck up their careers is to work too many hours. |
| [11:27:00] | Dagmar: | Creativity goes to shit, energy levels go to hell, and the crumbling family life provides a constant distraction |
| [11:27:00] | arnducky: | I'd never even heard of myth-tv before tonight AFAIR (/ACTION /PARTs hides; changes hostmask...) |
| [11:28:00] | Dagmar: | ...and since many good techs are borderline obsessive-compulsive, they will all too willingly hit 100 hours a week |
| [11:28:00] | Dagmar: | One of the more important things I learned at my stint with Deloitte & Touche is that _life outside of work_ must be paid some attention |
| [11:28:00] | arnducky: | Obviously it's bad for one's social, physical and moral life, but why is it bad for career? |
| [11:28:00] | Dagmar: | It came in handy when I was working at iAsiaWorks. |
| [11:28:00] | arnducky: | Ewww-- accountants. |
| [11:29:00] | Dagmar: | Work, sleep, work, sleep, work, sleep is a recipe for early death |
| [11:29:00] | Dagmar: | Work, sleep, work, party, sleep, work sleep, work party, sleep, works much better |
| [11:29:00] | Dagmar: | We had fun there. |
| [11:30:00] | arnducky: | Most of the top Professionals, artists CEOs and entrepreneurs I've met have been 'workaholics' |
| [11:30:00] | Dagmar: | Half a T1 to the apartment, we'd get up, check that nothing was on fire, and either start working from home, or get on the train, fire up the ricochet and work, get done with the day, go back home, eat dinner, go drinking, get up and repeat |
| [11:30:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky; yeah, and it's really easy to hit a "burnout" point if you overwork |
| [11:31:00] | arnducky: | And i personally enjoy that lifestyle as long as I get pkenty time off between 60+ hour/wk shows. |
| [11:31:00] | Dagmar: | I've been there twice now. I don't intend to do it again |
| [11:31:00] | arnducky: | I've worked upt to 24 10 and 12 hours shifts straight in extremely hazardous environs |
| [11:31:00] | Dagmar: | At iAsiaworks I caught some flack for playing EverQuest so much, but basically (and this I told htem outright) it was so I could have *some* time working with computers where they weren't pissing me off |
| [11:32:00] | Dagmar: | cuz if I wasn't working, sleeping, eating, or going to raves, I was playing EQ |
| [11:32:00] | arnducky: | In my late teens I worked around the clock *#^$ing 'on excercise' around in the reserves |
| [11:32:00] | Dagmar: | After awhile you really get to the point where you can't stand to even look at a keyboard anymore |
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| [11:32:00] | Orfeous: | back again |
| [11:33:00] | arnducky: | I'm glad that I've alwasy bee too cheap to try EQ. Although I've gotten fairly badly hooked on PW servers for NWN, and some MUDs |
| [11:33:00] | Dagmar: | I'm flat out dumping my EQII and SWG accounts later this ccoming week |
| [11:33:00] | arnducky: | Yeah, sometimes go away and don't even check e-mail for literally months. |
| [11:34:00] | arnducky: | I take it you're single (no offense). =| |
| [11:34:00] | Dagmar: | I was trying to get into EQII and I was helping my boss play a prank with the SWG account, but I can't stand waht Sony has done to pretty much all their properties now |
| [11:34:00] | Dagmar: | There's an unwritten covenant between players and "The GM" that basically requires things must be more fun than stabbing yourself in the eye over and over |
| [11:35:00] | Dagmar: | ...they've kinda been more intersted in making things take longer so that players have to keep on paying |
| [11:35:00] | Dagmar: | I liked WoW because almost the less I played the more fun I had |
| [11:35:00] | arnducky: | I've worked for them — they have a bad rep for being cheap, not to mention all the public news of their unethical marketing and monopoly (trust) crap. |
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| [11:36:00] | Dagmar: | I would spend about 5–10 minutes a night tumbling auctioned gear, and then grab a couple of levels on the weekend |
| [11:36:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: I got the EQII account like seven months ago and really, you can't tell that they have actual developers anymore |
| [11:36:00] | arnducky: | But Disney is the worst. (THere are proabably little kids on treadmills powering all the attractions in their themeparks — the ones that get 'lost' from their adult guardians) |
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| [11:36:00] | Dagmar: | Like nothing, and I mean literally nothing ever gets fixed |
| [11:37:00] | arnducky: | I've never played WoW, though a friend offered me his license. |
| [11:38:00] | arnducky: | So you actually lived off of e-bay auctions and gaming? |
| [11:38:00] | Dagmar: | No |
| [11:38:00] | Dagmar: | My characters basically did tho |
| [11:38:00] | Dagmar: | I got my one character to level 40 (where you could buy the mount) and bought my mount, bought my gf's character a mount, gave some money to a guildmate for his mount... |
| [11:39:00] | Dagmar: | I probably *could* make an okay living farming, but fuck that |
| [11:39:00] | arnducky: | That's one reason I never got into RQ — I had a friend who made 50–100 USD a month but lived in his Mom's basement (a rental property, not her own residence) |
| [11:39:00] | Dagmar: | It's entirely unethical. The lot of IGE upper management should be taken out and shot |
| [11:39:00] | Dagmar: | It's no better than professional baseball players competing in community softball games for profit |
| [11:39:00] | arnducky: | I thought farming was verbotten — that they have ops who just troll and investigate pharmers |
| [11:39:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [11:39:00] | arnducky: | IGE ? |
| [11:40:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: should i load i2c modules too? |
| [11:40:00] | Dagmar: | But they also have ba-angs in Korea and Japan where college kits sit and play in only the high loot areas for minimum wage |
| [11:40:00] | arnducky: | So you have a geek SOA ('gf'?)? |
| [11:40:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: It should load them if you need them |
| [11:40:00] | Dagmar: | I ahve a real gf, who is actually sitting next ot me playing WoW |
| [11:40:00] | arnducky: | 'ba-angs' |
| [11:40:00] | Dagmar: | ba-ang is as close as I can type it. It's basically an internet cafe |
| [11:41:00] | Dagmar: | Groups of these guys also tend to act like mafia |
| [11:41:00] | arnducky: | lucky duck — I can't seem to ever meet any geeky women that like me. The ones that go after me are never geeky. |
| [11:41:00] | Dagmar: | They will all sit together and play PvP games and act like thugs |
| [11:41:00] | ** arnducky sighs ** | |
| [11:41:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: my GF doesnt play WoW ;) she is playing on her flute instead :P |
| [11:41:00] | Dagmar: | If you want a GRAND example of corruption, look into the north american release of Lineage II. |
| [11:42:00] | arnducky: | Of course some of them will pretend to be geeky when they're really into music... heh |
| [11:42:00] | Dagmar: | NCSoft put the thing out here with a codebase that was fully four months out of date for the other regions. |
| [11:42:00] | Dagmar: | They literally just gave the goldfarmers six full months of time to exploit the bugs so they would have capital to finance their operations on eBay at release time |
| [11:42:00] | arnducky: | A musician wouldn't be a bad thing, but I never get along with *other* musicians so far. |
| [11:43:00] | ** arnducky plays a little guitar and sings well ** | |
| [11:43:00] | Dagmar: | Any (and ONLY) exploitable bugs discovered or communicated to the north american players were instantly fixed |
| [11:43:00] | Dagmar: | Very much not kosher |
| [11:43:00] | Dagmar: | IGE is the largest reseller of ingame currency there is |
| [11:44:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: /bin/ls: /dev/dvb: No such file or directory |
| [11:44:00] | arnducky: | Well, not *female* musicians at leat — though I've had several platonic friends of theat bent, it still seems non-musical girls are more likely to relate well with me. |
| [11:44:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: Did you do what Ag said about loading the modules in a particular order? |
| [11:44:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: ive loaded the modules exact in that order Agrajag- told me |
| [11:44:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: okay then udev isn't doing what it should. Run the script from that web page and it should create the devices |
| [11:44:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, have any countries, states or provinces tried to regulate or even outlaw it yet? |
| [11:44:00] | Dagmar: | Then MAYBE it will start working |
| [11:45:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: They don't ahev to. It's entirely in violation of everyones ToS/AUP |
| [11:45:00] | arnducky: | There have been a couple S. Korean and .jp gamers died of exhaustion. Aren't they worried about getting sued despite disclaimers just like McDonald's and Big Tobacco? |
| [11:45:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: now there is a directory in /dev/dvb |
| [11:46:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: Which is as it should be |
| [11:46:00] | Dagmar: | Beyond that, I know nothing |
| [11:46:00] | Orfeous: | i know that |
| [11:46:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: They all also have disclaimers out the wazoo now |
| [11:46:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: it still doesnt work :( |
| [11:46:00] | Dagmar: | PARTICULARLY warnings about epilepsy since it's a hot button issue in the US |
| [11:46:00] | Orfeous: | using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0' |
| [11:46:00] | Orfeous: | main:1882: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 19 No such device |
| [11:47:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous; Then look in syslog to see what it's saying when those modules are loading. |
| [11:47:00] | Dagmar: | It should be telling you waht's wrong in there |
| [11:48:00] | arnducky: | I mean, trying to prove that there is even a doubt that they not only know but intentionally designed their product to be addictive, would be an uphill legal batttle.. They hire PhD research psychologists to analyze the behaviour reinforement feedback aspects. |
| [11:49:00] | arnducky: | (this started in the coin-arcade days) |
| [11:49:00] | Dagmar: | They're not really designing them to be addictive, per se |
| [11:49:00] | Dagmar: | Well, maybe Sony is |
| [11:49:00] | Dagmar: | Most of these games are just meant to be as close to open-ended (neverending) as possible |
| [11:49:00] | Dagmar: | However, for years and years now people in the US have been playing games you can actually _complete_ |
| [11:50:00] | arnducky: | Some are, some aren't. I'd defend Bioware any day of the week. Because they are local, I know them and they concentrate on content which sells itself, not on marketing. Atari handles that side for them. |
| [11:50:00] | Orfeous: | my syslog is very loooong.. i got something that scrolls all the time like "Nov 19 12:50:04 localhost kernel: evbug.c: Event. Dev: usb-0000:00:02.0–2/input0, Type: 2, Code: 1, Value: 1" |
| [11:50:00] | Dagmar: | Hell, Verant put a special thing in EQ for when you beat the biggest boss mob they ever made. It would say "YOU WIN." in big letters on the screen and tell people they've _completed_ EverQuest |
| [11:50:00] | Orfeous: | every second |
| [11:51:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: Bioware still has the clue that some of these other companies don't. |
| [11:51:00] | arnducky: | I actually had a server in the same building as them, lived in the buildign next door and ate at a restaurant next door to their other offices (about a 1.4 miel away from the first two buildings) |
| [11:51:00] | Orfeous: | disconnected the remote :D |
| [11:51:00] | Dagmar: | The game has to be *fun*, first. Profit-making, second. |
| [11:51:00] | arnducky: | Yeah (seemingly) they *still* care about people and not just the bottom line as measuered in dollars. |
| [11:52:00] | Dagmar: | Speaking of those kind of games, I sitll haven't finished Dungeon Siege II |
| [11:52:00] | arnducky: | Is that a Bioware title? |
| [11:52:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: aah, got some errors in syslog. when i was grepping in the syslog "cat /var/log/messages | grep error" |
| [11:52:00] | Dagmar: | It's a Microsoft title, so whoever really wrote it is obligated by NDA to keep mum I think |
| [11:53:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: Just tail the thing when you load the modules |
| [11:53:00] | Orfeous: | Nov 18 14:18:35 localhost kernel: dvb-bt8xx: probe of dvb0 failed with error -14 |
| [11:53:00] | Dagmar: | tail -f /var/log/messages or tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| [11:53:00] | arnducky: | I like online games because actual communities grow up around them, jsut like IRC. I've often dreamed of doing an interdisciplinary doctoral dissertation in CMC. |
| [11:53:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: okay, NOW you have something that you can Google |
| [11:53:00] | Orfeous: | google is fun ;) |
| [11:53:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: Oh yeah, that's what guilds are basically *for* |
| [11:53:00] | Orfeous: | little swiss army knife |
| [11:53:00] | arnducky: | yeah — though I've never joined one |
| [11:54:00] | Dagmar: | The only problem with it is that with games like EverQuest where there was a HIGH boredom factor was that the guild chat channels functioned like a really resource-intensive IRC client |
| [11:54:00] | arnducky: | The coolest thing is when something gets so popular that people fly around the world to meet in person. |
| [11:54:00] | Dagmar: | Around level 50 in EverQuest, your time spent playing would go something like, pull and slaughter a big mob for two minutes, then have your character sit and do _nothing_ for eight minutes or more |
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| [11:55:00] | arnducky: | And when the peopel involved make an (*honest*) living — especially when it involves donations and volunteering. |
| [11:55:00] | Dagmar: | So basically, 80% of your time playing involved talking to guildmates to alleviate boredom |
| [11:56:00] | Dagmar: | Blizzard was very aggressive about removing that sort of crap from WoW |
| [11:56:00] | Dagmar: | I was very happy for them. |
| [11:56:00] | Dagmar: | The longest I'd ever have to "wait" there was two minutes, and that's if something got fucked up. |
| [11:56:00] | arnducky: | Did you see the news about the guy who actually bought a virtual island for over 10k (IIRC) British pounds? |
| [11:56:00] | Dagmar: | Normally, if you're playing and fighting in WoW, you're just doing it non-stop |
| [11:56:00] | Dagmar: | ...after an hour or two, you really want to get a soda just to catch your breath |
| [11:57:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [11:57:00] | Dagmar: | You don't really want to know what people do with some of those private island spacesa |
| [11:57:00] | Dagmar: | ...but Project Entropia (the place where that purchase was made) is basically just a fancy slot machine anyway |
| [11:57:00] | Dagmar: | There's some VERY kinky stuff going on in Second Life |
| [11:58:00] | Dagmar: | I am happy most of them are discreet about it |
| [11:58:00] | arnducky: | The guy I mentioned who I'm pushing to go pro (and quit his retail-chain-night-stocking-and-clerking job) plays with a steady group of WoWers AFAIK. |
| [11:58:00] | Dagmar: | I don't really care to know if someone's avatar has actual jiggling breasts and no less than a dozen submissive bondage poses, ya know? |
| [11:58:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: hmm.. not so much info on that error.. but some pages at least |
| [11:59:00] | Orfeous: | trying to load modules with "modprobe -v" |
| [11:59:00] | arnducky: | Well, I did know about that — I noticed 'adult' PW server even in NWN. |
| [11:59:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: Most fo the time that just means unrestricted language |
| [11:59:00] | Dagmar: | Virtual Brothels are not unheard of |
| [11:59:00] | Dagmar: | ...and I am not misrepresenting that in the least. |
| [12:00:00] | Dagmar: | I heard it was some 14 year old girl running one that opened in Sims Online |
| [12:00:00] | Dagmar: | ...but then as many times as I've been a 14 year old girl I know what the odds of that are. heh |
| [12:00:00] | arnducky: | But what I like about NWN is that you *can* do that even if I'm personally against. They figured out quickly that a real 'community' makes good busines sense. |
| [12:01:00] | ** arnducky wonders if any live-feed/interactive streaming pr0nographers have crossed over... (ewww!) ** | |
| [12:01:00] | Dagmar: | Well, yeah, because left to their own devices and when not actively interfered with, players will begin filling in the last details of everything on their own |
| [12:01:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: Already found one. |
| [12:01:00] | arnducky: | The human body's most powerfull sexual organ is the cerebral cortex of the brain, after all |
| [12:01:00] | Dagmar: | I came across that while blundering around Second Life. |
| [12:02:00] | Dagmar: | It took me a moment to realize what I was actually seeing |
| [12:02:00] | ** arnducky sighs ** | |
| [12:02:00] | Dagmar: | I couldn't believe someone had set up a webcam feed of a spare terminal acting as a camera |
| [12:02:00] | Dagmar: | The warped part is that you could actually map that camera feed onto a big-screen TV in the room in the environment |
| [12:03:00] | arnducky: | Let's not discuss that any more in public at least — it might give others some ideas — goodnesss knows how many linkbots live in help channels... |
| [12:03:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah that's why I'm not about to go posting any URLs. Kids might see them and become forever warped |
| [12:04:00] | Dagmar: | There's just too much porn on the internet. heh |
| [12:04:00] | arnducky: | I've watched TV documentaries about related (thatnkfully not converged) technologies too but let's not discuss them in here. |
| [12:04:00] | Dagmar: | Television has much less porn. |
| [12:04:00] | arnducky: | Any porn is too much porn IMNever2BHO |
| [12:04:00] | Dagmar: | Even if you have the super expansive deluxe satellite package |
| [12:04:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: a.b.m.e is too much porn all by itself |
| [12:05:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: maybe found an error that i can try to correct |
| [12:05:00] | Dagmar: | By volume, the a.b.e and related usenet groups constitute >70% of usenet traffic |
| [12:05:00] | Orfeous: | this might be why it isnt working |
| [12:05:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: Every error less is a step closer to working |
| [12:05:00] | arnducky: | Television is nasty these days — stuff that can't be sold in many jurisdictions is even broadcast by fox — I watched an outtake 'reel' from all network content via flash or relaplayer a few months ago |
| [12:06:00] | arnducky: | It was on a famous (general, not specifically sexual) humour site |
| [12:06:00] | Dagmar: | A friend of mine ran an adult BBS many years ago when dialup was still common |
| [12:06:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: http://pastebin.com/435266 |
| [12:06:00] | Dagmar: | I got tasked to help him sort the sites collection of perfectly uninspired titty pics |
| [12:06:00] | Dagmar: | It made me not want to look at women anymore |
| [12:07:00] | Dagmar: | There IS such a thing as too much porn |
| [12:07:00] | arnducky: | The caption at the end (fade-out still frame on black) had some thought-provoking cutline, so I thought it was fairly political. |
| [12:07:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: There's your clue "if you have the ALSA bt87x audio driver installed, try removing it." |
| [12:07:00] | Dagmar: | Make sure it's not loading that |
| [12:07:00] | Dagmar: | There's a good chance it is |
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| [12:10:00] | Dagmar: | I wish I still had a copy of that little prank Reagan pulled |
| [12:10:00] | arnducky: | Ronald Reagan? |
| [12:10:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: i thought that might if the audiopart isnt working then i dont have any working devices in /dev/dvb |
| [12:10:00] | Dagmar: | Yes |
| [12:10:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=13523 |
| [12:10:00] | Dagmar: | Orfeous: The dvb driver is bailing beccause of that audio module conflict |
| [12:11:00] | Dagmar: | ...or at least that's what it's messages to syslog would indicate |
| [12:11:00] | arnducky: | BTW, did you know that BBSes are still around and taht some have morphed into a new fad? |
| [12:11:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: The one where he was screwing around before a State of the Union broadcast and pretended to announce that we were launching nukes against Russia |
| [12:11:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: Because some people are incapable of learning new things |
| [12:12:00] | arnducky: | I just watched an indie documentary on the whjole history right back to to phreaking 200 baud days till now. |
| [12:12:00] | ** arnducky love indie media ** | |
| [12:12:00] | Dagmar: | I was planning on doing a cut-up on the audio from that address, and had the VCR going. I just turned off the tape and picked up the phone and called my buddy |
| [12:12:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: yes, i hope that it is the failing part.. gonna check it in kernel. |
| [12:13:00] | Dagmar: | ,..then the fucker says "Oh! Haha! That was on? I was just kidding." |
| [12:13:00] | Orfeous: | maybe rebuilt as module |
| [12:13:00] | arnducky: | Intel is/has sponsored a contest with decent prize money on that shockwave site (I thought it was affiliated with the USC film school, but now I'm not sure.) |
| [12:14:00] | Dagmar: | It was disturbing especially because only a couple of months before I was watching satellite feeds when the Challenger blew up |
| [12:14:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, did that get on the pre-interview satellite feed or was it just canned? |
| [12:14:00] | arnducky: | =( |
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| [12:14:00] | Dagmar: | That was the feed that was being sent out to get it to everywhere else. |
| [12:14:00] | Dagmar: | Basically a "wild feed" they refer to them as |
| [12:14:00] | arnducky: | Sally Ride, et al, RIP(ax) *NOT* pieces. |
| [12:14:00] | ** arnducky sighs ** | |
| [12:15:00] | Dagmar: | When the challenger blew I'd seen enough launches to know that the big puff of smoke was a very wrong thing |
| [12:15:00] | arnducky: | Resquiescat in Pacem |
| [12:15:00] | Dagmar: | I felt bad that the crowd on the ground took like 30 seconds to figure it out |
| [12:15:00] | Dagmar: | ...contrary to how CNN narrated things later. |
| [12:16:00] | arnducky: | Wow — ~0514h MST (GMT -7 AFAIK) |
| [12:16:00] | Dagmar: | ùíù CTCP TIME reply from Dagmar: Sat Nov 19 06:13:29 2005 |
| [12:16:00] | bigslam: | http://pastebin.com/435274 |
| [12:16:00] | Dagmar: | I work nights anyway which is why I'm always up at this hour |
| [12:16:00] | bigslam: | why would it not start? |
| [12:16:00] | Dagmar: | bigslam: Did it work before? |
| [12:17:00] | arnducky: | New Linux install + new desktop and no timestamps on only slightly customized IRC client |
| [12:17:00] | bigslam: | maybe i never tried it before |
| [12:17:00] | bigslam: | it was installed on slackware when i installed slack |
| [12:17:00] | Dagmar: | bigslam: You actually have to configure it a bit |
| [12:17:00] | Dagmar: | bigslam: Start by copying /etc/my-small.cf to /etc/my.cnf |
| [12:17:00] | Dagmar: | bigslam: I don't have a Slackware package for that part yet, but I'm workin on it |
| [12:18:00] | Dagmar: | bigslam: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall |
| [12:18:00] | Dagmar: | Start at Section 6. |
| [12:18:00] | arnducky: | Hmmm... Nahville? (Or just your shellhost/bouncer?) |
| [12:18:00] | Dagmar: | Nashville |
| [12:18:00] | Dagmar: | bigslam: In particular, you need to do section 6.2 to get the initial tables created |
| [12:19:00] | arnducky: | Big media industry there — musicians seem to have a disproportionate number of nightowls in their flock. |
| [12:19:00] | Dagmar: | bigslam: but mainly just to get the server to run you need to start by making my.cnf exist |
| [12:19:00] | bigslam: | k done:) |
| [12:19:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: most of the gigs are at night |
| [12:20:00] | bigslam: | once i copy my..cnf it should work? |
| [12:20:00] | Dagmar: | bigslam: Once that is done and you have created the initial databases and created the tables mythtv uses, you should be able to start it |
| [12:20:00] | arnducky: | A friend of mine married a guy from there while abroad and moved back with him. They deliberately moved to a poor/slum part of town too, though they didn't have to. |
| [12:21:00] | Dagmar: | bigslam: MythTV doesn't need much from the database at all, which is why the my-small.cnf is just about perfect |
| [12:21:00] | arnducky: | She was (is still?) a musician-- heh. |
| [12:21:00] | Dagmar: | bigslam: You may want to write this URL down, too http://www.droplinegnome.org/home/dagmar/mythtv/ |
| [12:21:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: it can be cheap to live here |
| [12:21:00] | Dagmar: | I'm in a two bedroom in the city at $615/month |
| [12:22:00] | bigslam: | .... |
| [12:22:00] | bigslam: | damn |
| [12:22:00] | arnducky: | That's not why they did. My concern was them being around gunfire on a weekly basis... =P |
| [12:22:00] | Dagmar: | bigslam: All of the stuffin there should be entirely compatible with Slackware 10,2 |
| [12:22:00] | Orfeous: | rebot |
| [12:22:00] | Orfeous: | reboot |
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| [12:22:00] | Dagmar: | arnducky: There are very VERY few places in Nashville like that |
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| [12:22:00] | bigslam: | i already compiled lame,mythtv |
| [12:22:00] | arnducky: | A flat, a condo or a bungalow? |
| [12:22:00] | Dagmar: | Atlanta and Memphis are another story entirely |
| [12:22:00] | Dagmar: | A flat |
| [12:23:00] | arnducky: | Dagmar, they went looking for such places — no kidding. |
| [12:23:00] | arnducky: | What's that average out to over last year in CDN$ ? |
| [12:24:00] | Dagmar: | Dunno. |
| [12:24:00] | Dagmar: | I have no idea what the exchange rate is |
| [12:24:00] | Dagmar: | Maybe 615 x 1,53? |
| [12:25:00] | Dagmar: | All I care about is that I'm less than five minutes from the office |
| [12:25:00] | Dagmar: | I get to fill up about every three weeks now |
| [12:25:00] | Dagmar: | Ah gf has quit playing.... time for bed. ;) |
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| [12:26:00] | Orfeous: | now let me see.. |
| [12:26:00] | Orfeous: | uuh, all drivers are loaded at startup now.. |
| [12:26:00] | Orfeous: | maybe that is a sign? |
| [12:26:00] | arnducky: | I'm thinking of moving, because even with the Patriot Act, I think you still have more civil rights (and my Dad is a USA* citizen (Brittish and Europeans tend to call us all all 'Americans', though many of my fellow CanEHjuns take issue). |
| [12:27:00] | ** arnducky finally breaks down and loads Dagmar's URI ** | |
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| [12:37:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: http://pastebin.com/435281 |
| [12:37:00] | Orfeous: | those are from /var/log/syslog when i loaded the modules in the correct order |
| [12:37:00] | Orfeous: | as Agrajag- told me |
| [12:38:00] | Juski: | just when you think all the theme watermarks are done... gah |
| [12:38:00] | Orfeous: | Juski: ;) |
| [12:38:00] | Orfeous: | Juski: i'm making steps forward now with this shit ;) |
| [12:39:00] | Orfeous: | Agrajag- told me to load the modules in a specific order.. |
| [12:39:00] | bigslam: | how do i block an ip from ping,access my computer? |
| [12:39:00] | Orfeous: | i saw in syslog that there was a driver conflict between twinhan and alsa driver.. that is now corrected. |
| [12:39:00] | Orfeous: | bigslam: do you use iptables? |
| [12:40:00] | Orfeous: | bigslam: otherwise you can look at #netfilter |
| [12:40:00] | Orfeous: | or #iptables |
| [12:40:00] | bigslam: | k |
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| [12:42:00] | Orfeous: | hope that will work |
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| [12:45:00] | toom: | why does nuvexport need gtk2.8? |
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| [12:48:00] | Orfeous: | Dagmar: maybe it is a bug.. |
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| [12:58:00] | Orfeous: | it seems that my kernel must be patched |
| [13:08:00] | bigslam: | Starting MySQL...............ERROR! |
| [13:08:00] | bigslam: | why? |
| [13:08:00] | Orfeous: | bigslam: check logs in /var/log |
| [13:11:00] | bigslam: | i didnt see anything in messages |
| [13:12:00] | Orfeous: | dont you have a /var/log/mysql? |
| [13:12:00] | Orfeous: | mysql.log |
| [13:12:00] | Orfeous: | or a dir mysql |
| [13:13:00] | bigslam: | nope |
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| [13:13:00] | fir3st0rm: | hi |
| [13:14:00] | bigslam: | i have a /var/lib/mysql/coldfront.err |
| [13:15:00] | bigslam: | 051119 8:14:56 [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't e$ |
| [13:15:00] | bigslam: | 051119 08:14:56 mysqld ended |
| [13:16:00] | fir3st0rm: | i get an error "xmame version not supported" when i enter games in menu |
| [13:17:00] | fir3st0rm: | someone knows how i can fix this? |
| [13:23:00] | fir3st0rm: | i'm using xmame version 0.101 |
| [13:26:00] | toom: | just found that while building mplayer: Checking for DVB ... no (specify path to DVB/ost/include with --with-dvbincdir=DIR) |
| [13:26:00] | toom: | Checking for DVB HEAD ... yes |
| [13:27:00] | toom: | what does it want to tell me? |
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| [13:31:00] | toom: | where are the headers for that? |
| [13:31:00] | toom: | does it want to have a path to kernel source? |
| [13:32:00] | toom: | maybe something like /usr/src/linux/dvb-kernel/linux/include/ ? |
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| [14:12:00] | toom: | anyone compiled mplayer with dvb support here? |
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| [14:19:00] | Juski: | toom: try xine-ui instead |
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| [14:34:00] | toom: | Juski: but i like mplayer |
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| [14:43:00] | fir3st0rm: | someone here using mythgame? |
| [14:48:00] | toom: | nop |
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| [15:12:00] | maniacxs: | i am trying to compile mythtv (r7582), which gives me very early an error and stops. any suggestions? |
| [15:13:00] | maniacxs: | http://pastebin.ca/29216 |
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| [15:14:00] | toom: | /usr/lib/gcc/mips-unknown-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../mips-unknown-linux-gnu/bin /ld <- wtf |
| [15:15:00] | maniacxs: | toom: gcc for mips |
| [15:15:00] | toom: | ok |
| [15:15:00] | toom: | well |
| [15:15:00] | toom: | don't know. but it sais unknown format |
| [15:15:00] | toom: | ah no. wrong format |
| [15:16:00] | maniacxs: | toom: after make clean ist compiles... ??? was a fresh svn |
| [15:16:00] | maniacxs: | curious |
| [15:17:00] | jemarcks__: | what is /dev/shm for? |
| [15:18:00] | jemarcks__: | /dev/shm 257020 0 257020 0% /dev/shm |
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| [15:25:00] | toom: | ugh |
| [15:25:00] | toom: | who's got an athlon and mplayer? |
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| [15:26:00] | plus-V-ducky: | toom, I have an athlon, and I was jsut about to see if I could get mplayer from the Ubuntu multiverse repository — heh |
| [15:26:00] | maniacxs: | toom: sempron and mplayer |
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| [15:27:00] | toom: | does it have mmx2 enabled? |
| [15:27:00] | plus-V-ducky: | Is it going to give me grief or conf problems? |
| [15:27:00] | toom: | mine sais: MMX2 supported but disabled |
| [15:28:00] | plus-V-ducky: | as in mms/mmx2/3D-Now1~/simd ? |
| [15:28:00] | toom: | eh? |
| [15:29:00] | maniacxs: | no mmx2 is not enabled for me |
| [15:31:00] | toom: | any idea why? |
| [15:33:00] | toom: | i was trying to enable it but i couldn't |
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| [15:42:00] | hari_seldon99: | hi |
| [15:43:00] | hari_seldon99: | not sure if I shuld ask this here, but how do I know what protocol version of mythtv (frontend or backend) I'm running? |
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| [15:43:00] | hari_seldon99: | 'cause if I try to connect my plf-mandriva mythfrontend to my knoppmyth backend, I get a "Protocol version mismatch" error |
| [15:43:00] | rjune: | tomimo: i do |
| [15:44:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: well. you can probably see that in the output when you start it on the console. |
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| [15:44:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: anyways, what version of knoppmyth are you using? |
| [15:45:00] | Jelte: | hi all... i've finally got my myth setup! (mythbackend over wifi to a roku photobridge running a myth frontend)... one question. Whatever frontend i use, some of the channels are a bit stuttery.. I'm guessing it could be the arial, but i s'pose it could be something else. CPU and memory on backend are not maxing out. Is there something else i can check to see if there is a bottleneck somewhere? |
| [15:45:00] | hari_seldon99: | yeah, I saw version 15 for the backend and version 17 for the frontend |
| [15:46:00] | hari_seldon99: | now I'm looking to get version 15 for the frontend, but how do I know what pkg that will be in? My knoppmyth is R5A16 |
| [15:46:00] | ille: | R5A16 = 0.18.1 |
| [15:46:00] | rjune: | tomimo: CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0 <-- that would indicate it's found and enabled. |
| [15:47:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: can you give me mythfrontend --version on the mandrake machine and mythbackend --version on the backend machine? |
| [15:47:00] | hari_seldon99: | don't wanna upgrade my knoppmyth 'cause it was a 2 week long pain to get this one to work right, much rather downgrade the mandriva frontend |
| [15:47:00] | hari_seldon99: | hang on, I'll get the info |
| [15:48:00] | hari_seldon99: | 0.18.1–20050618.4.1.102plf rpm in my mandriva |
| [15:49:00] | hari_seldon99: | 0.18.1.20050510–1 in my knoppmyth backend |
| [15:49:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: that's weird. this should work fine. |
| [15:49:00] | hari_seldon99: | it doesn't |
| [15:49:00] | hari_seldon99: | I'll run it again, just to be sure |
| [15:49:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: well, the date is different. IIRC, there was a broken knoppmyth that shipped with a SVN version of mythtv. |
| [15:50:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh |
| [15:50:00] | laga: | no, that's not the case here – the backend is older than the frontend. it's possible that your mandriva rpm is built from SVN |
| [15:50:00] | laga: | Please don't use R5A22. If you are doing a new install, please use R5A16. I accidently included a SVN version of MythTV in R5A22 |
| [15:51:00] | laga: | not the case for you. |
| [15:51:00] | hari_seldon99: | yeah, I'm using R5A16 only |
| [15:51:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh, cool. U r a knoppmyth developer? |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | nope. i'm not even using it :) |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | i was quoting www.mysettopbox.tv |
| [15:52:00] | ille: | hari: did you enable mysql to be accessed over the network? |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | ille: good guess... |
| [15:52:00] | hari_seldon99: | yep, commented out skip-networking in /etc/mysql/my.cnf and opened up the port in guarddog |
| [15:53:00] | ille: | you maybe need to open some ports for mythtv also |
| [15:53:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: check if you can connect to it: mysql -u <user> -p -h <backend> |
| [15:55:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok, hang on.. |
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| [15:56:00] | plus-V-ducky: | Wow, the great Asimovian Psychohistorian! To what do we owe the pleasure? |
| [15:57:00] | plus-V-ducky: | =) |
| [15:58:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok, I can connect to mysql server on remote backend |
| [15:58:00] | hari_seldon99: | I get a shell and eveything |
| [15:58:00] | laga: | plus-V-ducky: huh? |
| [15:58:00] | hari_seldon99: | and I'm glad people still read Asimov |
| [15:58:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: sounds good. well, as ille said, you may need to open some ports in your firewall |
| [15:58:00] | hari_seldon99: | I opened the mythbackend ports |
| [15:58:00] | laga: | yeah, asimov rocks. i finished "the complete robot" a few days ago. |
| [15:59:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: ok. umm..disable the firewall for testing, if you can do that. |
| [15:59:00] | hari_seldon99: | erm ok |
| [15:59:00] | plus-V-ducky: | hari_seldon99, you might say it's foundational reading... <badda-boom> |
| [16:00:00] | hari_seldon99: | erm, dunno how to disable firewall actually. Does stopping the initscript disable the firewall or clear it? |
| [16:00:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: iptables -F flushes it. i think. |
| [16:00:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh, ok |
| [16:00:00] | plus-V-ducky: | BTW, did the character spell his name with an 'i', like Mata Hari or a 'y' like Houdini did? |
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| [16:01:00] | hari_seldon99: | with an 'i' |
| [16:01:00] | hari_seldon99: | problem: I just ran iptables -F and lost the connection to the backend completely |
| [16:02:00] | laga: | -F, --flush [chain] |
| [16:02:00] | laga: | Flush the selected chain (all the chains in the table if none is |
| [16:02:00] | laga: | given). This is equivalent to deleting all the rules one by |
| [16:02:00] | laga: | one. |
| [16:02:00] | laga: | oops, sorry for flooding. |
| [16:02:00] | laga: | well, iptables -F should work. try reconnecting |
| [16:02:00] | hari_seldon99: | nevermind, I just ran to the box and rebooted off the knoppmyth menu |
| [16:02:00] | hari_seldon99: | shuld take abt 2 mins |
| [16:03:00] | laga: | hehe |
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| [16:05:00] | danst: | hi just wanted to know in what format does mythtv save a recording made by a bttv (askey tview) card. I can convert the corresponding nuv file with mencoder (the quality is very bad after converting) but i cannot watch it with mplayer... |
| [16:05:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok, it's back up |
| [16:05:00] | hari_seldon99: | now, I'll try to connect using mandriva frontend |
| [16:05:00] | toom: | is there a way to find out, if mythtv is compiled with certain flags? like mplayer --version? |
| [16:06:00] | laga: | danst: nuppelvideo. |
| [16:06:00] | laga: | toom: mythfrontend --version |
| [16:06:00] | laga: | danst: check out nuvexport at www.forevermore.net |
| [16:06:00] | toom: | mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server |
| [16:06:00] | laga: | toom: DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend --version |
| [16:06:00] | danst: | laga: but it does not seem to be the same format as the nuv file from my pvr 250... since i can play that with mplayer... is this the correct behavior? |
| [16:07:00] | laga: | danst: yes. the file from your 250 is mpeg2. |
| [16:07:00] | toom: | laga: the point is, it doesn't need to have a X server to print it's flags |
| [16:07:00] | laga: | toom: right. |
| [16:07:00] | laga: | toom: uh, blame it on qt? ;) i don't know. |
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| [16:07:00] | toom: | 0.18.1.20050510–1 <- is it compiled with mmx? :) |
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| [16:08:00] | laga: | toom: oh, that's what you mean. |
| [16:08:00] | laga: | toom: sorry, dunno then |
| [16:08:00] | toom: | hehe |
| [16:09:00] | hari_seldon99: | laga: mythfrontend failed. couldn't connect to database |
| [16:09:00] | Randall64: | Anyone doing firewire capture? I know firewire on linux is sketchy but I can't tell if this error is benign. |
| [16:09:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: sounds like a problem with your DB then. maybe the wrong password? i cant tell you anything without the error message |
| [16:10:00] | hari_seldon99: | hang on, I'll pastebin it |
| [16:10:00] | toom: | laga: i guess it's not, because less /usr/bin/mythtv doesn't show a single 'mmx' |
| [16:11:00] | hari_seldon99: | here are the nasty errors: http://pastebin.ca/29249 |
| [16:12:00] | ** Juski thinks this is finished now.. ** | |
| [16:12:00] | Ryushin: | What is the name of that other xvmc compatible chipset? chromium pro or some such. |
| [16:12:00] | Juski: | hiya laga |
| [16:12:00] | laga: | hi Juski |
| [16:12:00] | laga: | Ryushin: unichrome? |
| [16:12:00] | Ryushin: | That's it. |
| [16:12:00] | Ryushin: | Thanks. |
| [16:12:00] | hari_seldon99: | I can connect using mysql client tho |
| [16:13:00] | Ryushin: | MB died. Gotta get a new one. |
| [16:13:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: you need to get the mysql driver for you Qt |
| [16:13:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh |
| [16:13:00] | hari_seldon99: | hang on, lemme check urpmi feeds |
| [16:15:00] | hari_seldon99: | got it! libqt3-mysql |
| [16:16:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [16:16:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok, now mythfrontend starts up, but crashes with the "protocol version mismatch" error (frintend 17, backend 15 |
| [16:18:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: complain to the mandriva package maintainer or compile it yourself |
| [16:18:00] | hari_seldon99: | o |
| [16:18:00] | hari_seldon99: | where do I get the exact source code for the version 15 frontend? |
| [16:19:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: www.mythtv.org |
| [16:20:00] | hari_seldon99: | ya, I kinda figured that out. I mean, how do I know which one of their tarballs corresponds to version 15? |
| [16:20:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: should be 0.18.1 |
| [16:20:00] | hari_seldon99: | 0.18.1 got it |
| [16:20:00] | hari_seldon99: | plf rpm also said 0.18.1. So it's borked? |
| [16:21:00] | laga: | hari_seldon99: i think so. you could ask some other people in here what the protocol version of their 0.18.1 is. i cant tell you, i dont use the release |
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| [16:23:00] | Juski: | wow. this theme is only 6.7MB |
| [16:24:00] | laga: | Juski: did you get permission from the mayhem guys yet? |
| [16:24:00] | Juski: | not yet |
| [16:24:00] | Juski: | haven't asked yet |
| [16:24:00] | Juski: | hope they say yes! |
| [16:24:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [16:24:00] | laga: | me too |
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| [16:24:00] | hari_seldon99: | so, do any of you fine folks have any problem with frontend/backend protocol version mismatch in mythtv 0.18.1 |
| [16:24:00] | Juski: | just finished the fine tuning... if there's anything busted I can't see it |
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| [16:25:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [16:26:00] | laga: | darn, danst was a fellow german and i didn't recruit him for #mythtv-de |
| [16:26:00] | fir3st0rm: | lol |
| [16:26:00] | laga: | .oO(..resistance is futile...) |
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| [16:30:00] | Ryushin: | Well, that sucks. The most pci slots available in a unichome pro motherboard is 3. I guess these boards are only good for a front end and not a dual front/back solution. |
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| [16:31:00] | IA-Outdoors: | dmesg seems to indicate it finds my pvr250 fine, but ivtv-detect seg faults. Any idea what that is about? |
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| [16:33:00] | toom: | Juski: got it working with dvb and mmx2 :) |
| [16:34:00] | Juski: | toom: cool! |
| [16:34:00] | Juski: | it's screenshot time folks |
| [16:35:00] | toom: | what do you want to shoot? |
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| [16:38:00] | Juski: | just wait a while, toom |
| [16:38:00] | toom: | k.. |
| [16:39:00] | toom: | meanwhile i'm observing the performance of my new mplayer |
| [16:39:00] | toom: | mencoder |
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| [16:39:00] | toom: | breathtaking 5–6fps |
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| [16:41:00] | toom: | up to 7 |
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| [16:49:00] | \Grooby\_: | is there a script that merges with what my DVB channel scans and what i d/l from zap2it? |
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| [16:53:00] | doot: | hi, got a question, im setting up a new mythbackend for my house... i have a seperated master backened and a frontendonly... this new setup is another backened with 1 tuner. ive heard you can run a slavebackend |
| [16:54:00] | doot: | i have the tuner configured and myth installed, its setup like my frontend only.. so i can watch recordgins and stuff, but i dont see the tuner on the new box as a recordable device |
| [16:54:00] | doot: | what am i missing? hehe.. went throuh setup menus.. dont see anything for a 'slave backened' |
| [16:56:00] | Juski: | for a slave backend.. just run it as though it was the original backend except for 3 things: give it a different IP address ;) – don't run mysql on it and lastly tell mythtv-setup to look at the other backend for the database |
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| [16:58:00] | doot: | oh hrm, mythbackend didnt s tartup |
| [16:58:00] | doot: | now thats a problem. |
| [16:58:00] | doot: | heh |
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| [17:01:00] | IA-Outdoors: | odd, so some mobo's require the capture card on the primary PCI slot (i.e. closed to AGP card) |
| [17:02:00] | IA-Outdoors: | imagine my surprise when lspci didn't show my pvr-250 |
| [17:02:00] | IA-Outdoors: | moved it an wala |
| [17:02:00] | IA-Outdoors: | still getting ivtv-detect to segfault, though |
| [17:03:00] | doot: | segfaulted on me too |
| [17:03:00] | doot: | but its not really 'needed' |
| [17:04:00] | doot: | as long as modprobe itvtv worked and dmesg shows your card, you golden |
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| [17:06:00] | directhex: | anyone knwo if i can build SVN mythgame against myth 0.18.1? |
| [17:08:00] | Chutt: | you can't. |
| [17:12:00] | Juski: | laga.. may I PM you? |
| [17:14:00] | rjune: | Chutt: is there a rough roadmap for us mere mortals to see? |
| [17:15:00] | toom: | how does the tvguide know which channel from channels.conf maps to what xmltv gets? |
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| [17:23:00] | doot: | damn i hate when the moms calls |
| [17:23:00] | doot: | blahblahblah yakkety smakkety |
| [17:23:00] | doot: | ok back to this slave backend :) |
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| [17:24:00] | r10: | hi |
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| [17:25:00] | fir3st0rm: | hi |
| [17:25:00] | r10: | I still can't get my mythtv to work, I have installe all the programes I need, and I have setup the sql server, and it is running, but I still get "Unable to connect to database!". What do I need to do? |
| [17:26:00] | FunkyELF: | What do you guys do when your hard drives on your backend are full and you have another computer on the network? Doesn't myth expect recordings to be in the same directory? So am I limited to the storage I can achieve using only one machine? |
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| [17:28:00] | doot: | Juski: i appear to have the slave backend configured correctly now, but when i go to watch tv it still prefers the remote tuners |
| [17:29:00] | doot: | and mythweb doesnt show the 3rd tuner |
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| [17:29:00] | fir3st0rm: | r10: did you set up the backend in the settings? |
| [17:29:00] | doot: | do i need to do anything on the master backend to tell it it has a slave backend friend with another tuner ready for use? |
| [17:29:00] | fir3st0rm: | errr the database |
| [17:30:00] | r10: | fir3st0rm: yes I have run the mythtv-setup |
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| [17:31:00] | fir3st0rm: | there's also an option in the frontend |
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| [17:34:00] | fir3st0rm: | r10: start mythfrontend and switch to miscalleanous->configuration->settings |
| [17:36:00] | doot: | woah |
| [17:36:00] | doot: | just had to restart mythbackend on masterbackened |
| [17:36:00] | doot: | duh should have thought of that heh |
| [17:36:00] | sphing: | yuvdenoise: No such file or directory |
| [17:36:00] | sphing: | when running nuvexport |
| [17:37:00] | r10: | fir3st0rm: when I start mythfroned I get the same screen as myth-setup, and after I have setup the mythtv it closes and I get "Unable to connect to database!" |
| [17:37:00] | sphing: | r10: you're getting the same screen because it cannot connect to mythfrontend |
| [17:37:00] | sphing: | *connect to the mysql server |
| [17:37:00] | sphing: | so it thinks you havent set it up |
| [17:38:00] | sphing: | you sure you can reach the mysql server from that box? |
| [17:38:00] | r10: | sphing: I can do a "mysql mythconverg", and do not get eny errors |
| [17:39:00] | sphing: | try this: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [17:40:00] | r10: | sphing: if I uses mythtv as pass, then no errors |
| [17:41:00] | sphing: | right... |
| [17:41:00] | sphing: | ok and this is on the box that you're running the frontend from correct? |
| [17:41:00] | r10: | sphing: yes |
| [17:41:00] | sphing: | what are the settings in your mythtv-setup |
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| [17:43:00] | fir3st0rm: | i can't compile mythplugins |
| [17:43:00] | r10: | Host Name: localhost |
| [17:43:00] | fir3st0rm: | that's the log http://rafb.net/paste/results/9hrVI966.html |
| [17:44:00] | r10: | Database: mythconverg |
| [17:44:00] | r10: | User: mythtv |
| [17:44:00] | r10: | passsword: mythtv |
| [17:44:00] | r10: | Database type: Mysql |
| [17:44:00] | sphing: | and when you run mythfrontend you get the setup screen? |
| [17:45:00] | r10: | sphing: yes |
| [17:46:00] | sphing: | ok try changing the username to something random |
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| [17:46:00] | sphing: | better yet |
| [17:47:00] | sphing: | open a terminal and mythtv-setup -v all |
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| [17:47:00] | sphing: | see what the errors are |
| [17:49:00] | r10: | sphing: when i change the username, then I stil get unabel to conneted to database, and when I run mythtv-setup -v all, then I get Invalid argument: -v |
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| [17:50:00] | sphing: | sorry: mythfrontend -v all |
| [17:52:00] | Bombo: | hi |
| [17:53:00] | Bombo: | i just wanted to compile mythtv but i get a make error. i did "configure --enable-dvb" and then make and the error is: "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." |
| [17:53:00] | r10: | sphing: I get Unable to connect to database!, No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [18:00:00] | sphing: | well you know what your problem is... its probably something to do with mysql and not myth |
| [18:02:00] | r10: | sphing: yes but what ? |
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| [18:03:00] | sphing: | r10, run mythtv-set from a different screen than you run it from |
| [18:03:00] | sphing: | , so you can see the terminal output as you're running it |
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| [18:04:00] | psofa: | any idea about that http://paste.uni.cc/8019. Cant start the backend |
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| [18:05:00] | psofa: | pls someone? |
| [18:06:00] | sphing: | psofa: sounds like a bug... get your mysql version |
| [18:06:00] | sphing: | and see if someone in #mythtv can tell you how to report the bug |
| [18:06:00] | psofa: | its not a bug |
| [18:06:00] | psofa: | bcause i did it once |
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| [18:07:00] | psofa: | with the same versions |
| [18:07:00] | psofa: | then i messed up |
| [18:07:00] | psofa: | and reinstalled everything |
| [18:07:00] | psofa: | and now i get these things |
| [18:07:00] | sphing: | what? |
| [18:07:00] | sphing: | it sounds like its a bug in the db schema |
| [18:07:00] | psofa: | im telling you yesterday it worked |
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| [18:07:00] | psofa: | with the same versions |
| [18:08:00] | sphing: | then do whatever you did yesterday again |
| [18:08:00] | psofa: | i cant |
| [18:08:00] | psofa: | im trying to but i get these damn errors |
| [18:08:00] | psofa: | if i try mythsetup first |
| [18:08:00] | psofa: | i get 2005-11–19 23:04:02.468 Setting Lock for Database Schema upgrade. If you see a long pause here it means the Schema is already locked and is being upgraded by another Myth process. |
| [18:08:00] | sphing: | if it worked yesterday but not today, you messed something up |
| [18:09:00] | psofa: | 2005-11–19 23:04:02.474 Told to create a NEW database schema, but the database |
| [18:09:00] | psofa: | already has 16 tables. |
| [18:09:00] | psofa: | how do i clean the databases |
| [18:09:00] | sphing: | you want to dump the db? |
| [18:09:00] | psofa: | i think ive already done that |
| [18:10:00] | sphing: | so what are you asking? |
| [18:10:00] | psofa: | any other cleaning thing i could do |
| [18:10:00] | sphing: | besides deleting it... um no |
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| [18:12:00] | psofa: | i did drop database. thats what you ment right? |
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| [18:12:00] | sphing: | that deleted the entire db |
| [18:12:00] | sphing: | did you recreate it? |
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| [18:13:00] | psofa: | you mean mysql -u root -pnew-password < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql |
| [18:13:00] | sphing: | yes |
| [18:13:00] | doot: | anyone have any idea what the problem might be if playing recordings works fine but trying to watch livetv returns "bad socket"? |
| [18:13:00] | psofa: | yes |
| [18:14:00] | sphing: | psofa: dont know what to tell you |
| [18:14:00] | doot: | it plays for a couple of seconds, then stops.. |
| [18:14:00] | sphing: | if that exact thing worked yesterday, it should be doing it today |
| [18:14:00] | sphing: | you need to update the db once |
| [18:14:00] | sphing: | so it didnt work yesterday like you said it did, or you messed it between yest and today |
| [18:15:00] | psofa: | it did |
| [18:15:00] | psofa: | as i started mythbackend successfully |
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| [18:15:00] | sphing: | if mythbackend still running? |
| [18:15:00] | sphing: | *is |
| [18:15:00] | psofa: | ofc not |
| [18:16:00] | psofa: | then running mythsetup |
| [18:16:00] | psofa: | i get those things |
| [18:16:00] | psofa: | DB Error (Insert Keybinding): |
| [18:16:00] | psofa: | Query was: |
| [18:16:00] | psofa: | INSERT INTO keybindings (context, action, description, keylist, hostname) VALUES ( 'Global', '8', '8', '8', 'Thunderbird' ); |
| [18:16:00] | psofa: | Driver error was [2/1146]: |
| [18:16:00] | psofa: | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| [18:16:00] | psofa: | Database error was: |
| [18:16:00] | psofa: | Table 'mythconverg.keybindings' doesn't exist |
| [18:16:00] | psofa: | many of those |
| [18:16:00] | IA-Outdoors: | according to the ivtv instructions I need to "unload old drivers". How do I do that? |
| [18:16:00] | sphing: | well then something messed up when the db was recreated |
| [18:16:00] | sphing: | unload th eold drivers means rmmod then |
| [18:16:00] | psofa: | but i just created it |
| [18:17:00] | psofa: | ! |
| [18:17:00] | sphing: | dude did you read it?... the table doesnt exists |
| [18:17:00] | sphing: | somthing got messed up |
| [18:18:00] | IA-Outdoors: | k, well, it seems my PVR-250 is detected but ivtv-detect is seg faulting |
| [18:18:00] | IA-Outdoors: | ...is that something I need to worry about? |
| [18:18:00] | psofa: | the database gets created like this right? mysql -u root -pnew-password < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql |
| [18:18:00] | psofa: | i just did that |
| [18:18:00] | sphing: | psofa: did the table keybindings get created? |
| [18:18:00] | psofa: | how should i know |
| [18:19:00] | sphing: | you check mysql |
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| [18:19:00] | psofa: | i see that mythconverg gets created |
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| [18:19:00] | sphing: | yes.... well does the table keybindings exist? |
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| [18:20:00] | psofa: | tell me the commands to see that |
| [18:20:00] | psofa: | im logged in mysql |
| [18:21:00] | hari_seldon99: | hi |
| [18:21:00] | sphing: | show tables; |
| [18:21:00] | sphing: | see if its in the list |
| [18:21:00] | hari_seldon99: | bit of a boo-boo. I tried to change the mysql password for mythtv and now my frontend can't connect |
| [18:21:00] | psofa: | ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected |
| [18:21:00] | psofa: | how do i select the database |
| [18:22:00] | sphing: | use mythconverg |
| [18:22:00] | sphing: | hari_seldon99: mythtv-setup |
| [18:22:00] | psofa: | mysql> use mythconverg; |
| [18:22:00] | psofa: | Database changed |
| [18:22:00] | psofa: | mysql> show tables; |
| [18:22:00] | psofa: | Empty set (0.00 sec) |
| [18:22:00] | hari_seldon99: | where in mythtv-setup? |
| [18:22:00] | sphing: | psofa: its not being created |
| [18:22:00] | psofa: | now what |
| [18:23:00] | sphing: | mysql -u root -p mythconverg < /usr/...../mc.sql |
| [18:25:00] | psofa: | mysql -u root -pmypass mythconverg </usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql |
| [18:25:00] | hari_seldon99: | if I mysql -u mythtv mythconverg -p it asks for a pwd and I can log in, but mythfrontend can't |
| [18:25:00] | psofa: | ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'mythconverg' |
| [18:25:00] | sphing: | psofa: you didnt recreate it.... like i said |
| [18:26:00] | sphing: | hari_seldon99: run mythtv-setup and set it up |
| [18:26:00] | hari_seldon99: | I can't. It gives: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
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| [18:26:00] | psofa: | the whole mysql thing is so fucked up! |
| [18:26:00] | sphing: | hari_seldon99: i see what you did... so chang eit back in mysql |
| [18:26:00] | sphing: | psofa: only for you |
| [18:27:00] | psofa: | what about hari |
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| [18:27:00] | sphing: | psofa: go to mysql, and type show databases |
| [18:27:00] | hari_seldon99: | sphing: Could you show me how exactly (total noob in sql)? |
| [18:27:00] | sphing: | psofa: he changed the password... obviously he cant connect |
| [18:27:00] | psofa: | oh btw |
| [18:27:00] | sphing: | hari_seldon99: I honestly dont know the exact command... |
| [18:27:00] | psofa: | if i create the database |
| [18:27:00] | psofa: | then run mysql -u root -pmypass mythconverg </usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql |
| [18:27:00] | psofa: | i get |
| [18:28:00] | sphing: | hari_seldon99: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/grant.html |
| [18:28:00] | psofa: | ERROR 1007 (HY000) at line 1: Can't create database 'mythconverg'; database exists |
| [18:28:00] | psofa: | now show database shows mythconverg |
| [18:28:00] | sphing: | psofa: mysqladmin drop mythconverg |
| [18:28:00] | sphing: | and rerun your command |
| [18:28:00] | psofa: | yes i tried that |
| [18:28:00] | sphing: | and.... |
| [18:28:00] | psofa: | and the database it cerates is still crap |
| [18:29:00] | psofa: | *creates |
| [18:29:00] | psofa: | empty as we saw |
| [18:29:00] | hari_seldon99: | I had backed up the mysql database using mythbackup earlier. Can I restore that backup and fix the problem? |
| [18:29:00] | sphing: | psofa: actually its doing what it should |
| [18:30:00] | sphing: | psofa: go find the docs on how to build the database |
| [18:30:00] | psofa: | so why doesnt it work |
| [18:30:00] | psofa: | the doc say to run mythtvsetup |
| [18:30:00] | psofa: | and then mythfilldatabase |
| [18:30:00] | psofa: | as i said mythtvsetup throws all these messages |
| [18:31:00] | psofa: | about non existant tables |
| [18:31:00] | laga: | Juski: sorry, no PM'ing atm, i've got to run |
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| [18:32:00] | Juski: | ah okees laga |
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| [18:32:00] | laga: | Juski: just PM me at mythtvtalk.com |
| [18:32:00] | laga: | :) |
| [18:32:00] | sphing: | hari_seldon99: good man with the backup.... i dont use mythbackup, i use mythdump, so you're going to have to google what to do |
| [18:33:00] | Juski: | laga: yeh will do :) |
| [18:33:00] | hari_seldon99: | I did, found this:http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=MythB . . . RestoreHowTo |
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| [18:33:00] | hari_seldon99: | but I don't understand this business with orphaned video files |
| [18:33:00] | psofa: | running mythtv-setup with an empty database i get DB Error (Insert Keybinding): |
| [18:33:00] | psofa: | Query was: |
| [18:33:00] | psofa: | INSERT INTO keybindings (context, action, description, keylist, hostname) VALUES ( 'Global', '7', '7', '7', 'Thunderbird' ); |
| [18:33:00] | psofa: | Driver error was [2/1146]: |
| [18:33:00] | hari_seldon99: | my last backup was some days ago |
| [18:33:00] | psofa: | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| [18:33:00] | psofa: | Database error was: |
| [18:33:00] | psofa: | Table 'mythconverg.keybindings' doesn't exist |
| [18:34:00] | psofa: | hmmm DB Error (Performing database upgrade): |
| [18:34:00] | psofa: | Query was: CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS jumppoints ( destination varchar(128) NOT NULL default '', description varchar(255) default NULL, keylist varchar(32) default NULL, hostname varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', PRIMARY KEY (destination,hostname)); |
| [18:34:00] | psofa: | Error was: Driver error was [2/1071]: |
| [18:34:00] | psofa: | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| [18:34:00] | psofa: | Database error was: |
| [18:34:00] | psofa: | Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes |
| [18:34:00] | psofa: | so thats why it cant create the nonexistant tables |
| [18:34:00] | psofa: | damn |
| [18:34:00] | psofa: | just found it i think |
| [18:34:00] | psofa: | its utf8 |
| [18:35:00] | sphing: | hari_seldon99: so you just changed the password of the mythtv user? |
| [18:35:00] | hari_seldon99: | yes, but I can access it from shell, but mythfrontend can't |
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| [18:36:00] | sphing: | hari_seldon99: look at .mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [18:36:00] | hari_seldon99: | This works: http://pastebin.ca/29302 |
| [18:36:00] | sphing: | just change the password |
| [18:38:00] | hari_seldon99: | I changed the password in mysql.txt to what it should be. I still can't connect the frontend |
| [18:39:00] | psofa: | sphing, if i recompile mysql taking out utf8 will recompiling mythtv be neccesary? |
| [18:40:00] | sphing: | i have no idea |
| [18:40:00] | sphing: | hari_seldon99: mythtv-setup still cant connect? |
| [18:40:00] | hari_seldon99: | no |
| [18:41:00] | sphing: | hari_seldon99: i recommend just changing it back to the default |
| [18:41:00] | sphing: | i honestly dont know what else |
| [18:41:00] | hari_seldon99: | how do I do that? |
| [18:42:00] | sphing: | mysql cli |
| [18:42:00] | sphing: | google it i dont know the command |
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| [18:45:00] | psofa: | so the whole mysql isnt fucked right? :D |
| [18:45:00] | psofa: | and what about hari |
| [18:45:00] | psofa: | :DDDD |
| [18:45:00] | bigslam: | the wintv pvr 150 cards are ok right? |
| [18:48:00] | sphing: | psofa: he changed the password |
| [18:48:00] | sphing: | obviously he cant connect |
| [18:49:00] | IA-Outdoors: | anybody get this when building lirc? `I2C_ALGO_BIT' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| [18:50:00] | doot: | yeah, 2.6.14 sucks |
| [18:50:00] | doot: | reverted to 2.6.13 and was golden |
| [18:50:00] | bigslam: | anyone live in german here? |
| [18:50:00] | IA-Outdoors: | doot: it's a kernel issue? |
| [18:51:00] | doot: | yup |
| [18:51:00] | doot: | CONFIG_I2C_ALGOBIT=y |
| [18:51:00] | doot: | of course, make sure you've got that checked/module loaded |
| [18:51:00] | doot: | but if youre useing 2.6.14 it wont matter |
| [18:51:00] | doot: | :) |
| [18:51:00] | IA-Outdoors: | Yeah, I'm on 2.6.14 |
| [18:52:00] | IA-Outdoors: | bleh |
| [18:52:00] | doot: | had the same problem last night. |
| [18:52:00] | doot: | setting up a new slave backened |
| [18:52:00] | IA-Outdoors: | what OS? |
| [18:52:00] | doot: | gentoo. |
| [18:52:00] | doot: | linux |
| [18:52:00] | bigslam: | hmm anyone ever use a WinTV-Nexus-CA? |
| [18:52:00] | hari_seldon99: | I tried to change the paswrod back to the default 'mythtv'. I still can't connect |
| [18:52:00] | IA-Outdoors: | doot, good, then did you have problems getting ivtv-detect to work? |
| [18:52:00] | hari_seldon99: | I ran mythrestore as root. didn't work |
| [18:53:00] | IA-Outdoors: | I'm using gentoo and ivtv-detect segfaults |
| [18:53:00] | doot: | i told you earlier, i had the same segfault problem. but since modprobe ivtv worked fine and the driver information shows up in dmesg, should be fine |
| [18:53:00] | doot: | ;p |
| [18:53:00] | IA-Outdoors: | gotcah |
| [18:53:00] | IA-Outdoors: | yeah, it's perfect in dmesg |
| [18:53:00] | IA-Outdoors: | grr...don't provide me broken utils |
| [18:53:00] | doot: | know the feeling :) |
| [18:54:00] | doot: | still trying to figure out why livetv locks up after 2 seconds of playing./ |
| [18:54:00] | chaoticgeek: | good morning alll |
| [18:54:00] | doot: | think its because i had v4l compiled in my kernel whereas on my master backend i dont. find out shortly.. almost done compiling |
| [18:54:00] | doot: | v4l && ivtv dont play well together i believe. |
| [18:55:00] | IA-Outdoors: | hrm |
| [18:56:00] | IA-Outdoors: | interesting |
| [18:56:00] | IA-Outdoors: | you usin pvr-250? |
| [18:56:00] | doot: | yeah |
| [18:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have v4l support compiled in every one of my kernels |
| [18:56:00] | doot: | blah. so much for that idea then eh |
| [18:56:00] | IA-Outdoors: | lol |
| [18:56:00] | doot: | had it compiled as a module on my master backened.. had it compiled into the kernel on this slave backened |
| [18:56:00] | doot: | only difference i can find ;/ |
| [18:56:00] | doot: | that and ivtv version, but getting no errors from ivtv specifically so dont want to blame that yet |
| [18:57:00] | doot: | WriteStringList: Bad socket |
| [18:57:00] | doot: | getting a string of those after livetv locks |
| [18:57:00] | doot: | of course, i can cat /dev/video0 fine |
| [18:57:00] | doot: | and its also compiling "remote encoder not responding" which is funny, because its a local encoder |
| [18:57:00] | doot: | checked /etc/hosts which is goods |
| [18:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | FRom the frontends perspective they are all remote encoders |
| [18:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | as it talks to the backend which might not be local |
| [18:58:00] | doot: | hrm. |
| [18:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | So the logs on your slave backend show nothing ? |
| [18:59:00] | doot: | i had this problem before.. when i split my backend and frontend between seperate boxes... set explicit identifiers in mysql.txt and that fixed it |
| [18:59:00] | bigslam: | /usr/bin/mysql_create_system_tables: line 663: 4631 Broken pipe cat <<END_OF_DATA |
| [18:59:00] | bigslam: | whats up with that? |
| [18:59:00] | doot: | mythbackend logs dont show anything odd, verbose all, mythfrontend logs show no 'hints' as to what the problem is.. verbose all as well |
| [18:59:00] | doot: | just a slew of bad socket errors... |
| [18:59:00] | doot: | and 'remote encoder not responding' |
| [19:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | Have you searched the mailing lists? I've seen those errors mentioned before but can't recall what the cause was |
| [19:00:00] | doot: | yeah, thats where i came up with the v4l thing.. this seems to be one of those errors that can mean a whole lot of different things |
| [19:00:00] | doot: | i had this once before, turned out to the be the identifiers in mysql.txt |
| [19:01:00] | doot: | of course this time ive checked that ;) hehe |
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| [19:01:00] | a1fa|64: | tada |
| [19:01:00] | a1fa|64: | guys.. i am finally switching to pvr-500 |
| [19:01:00] | a1fa|64: | it is here |
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| [19:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | doot: |
| [19:01:00] | a1fa|64: | anything i should know about before swapping it out |
| [19:02:00] | a1fa|64: | pvr-350 is gone, i am putting pvr-500 in |
| [19:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | doot: no idea what would do that then. Personally I'd be stracing/gdb/combing through the code |
| [19:02:00] | doot: | GreyFoxx: not at that point yet hehe |
| [19:03:00] | a1fa|64: | GreyFoxx: i got a small pos system.. i will control my mythtv via vnc |
| [19:03:00] | a1fa|64: | unless there is a better way of controling it |
| [19:03:00] | sphing: | a1fa: will it have a monitor |
| [19:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | a1fa: Keyboard and mouse ? :) |
| [19:03:00] | a1fa|64: | it has a monitor |
| [19:03:00] | hari_seldon99: | Hi |
| [19:03:00] | a1fa|64: | LCD with touchscreen |
| [19:03:00] | a1fa|64: | it is bad arse |
| [19:04:00] | hari_seldon99: | I changed the password and now my mythtv-backend won't start |
| [19:04:00] | a1fa|64: | it also has a "virtual" keyboard |
| [19:04:00] | sphing: | so what do you need to control it? |
| [19:04:00] | a1fa|64: | i dont know.. i might run mythtv-frontend on it |
| [19:04:00] | a1fa|64: | or just use vnc and control the tv i have allready |
| [19:04:00] | poop: | I've been shopping forever for a new htpc case, but those ones with the 7" touchscreens sound pretty nice |
| [19:04:00] | a1fa|64: | it has 200 mb of ram. 233mhz |
| [19:05:00] | sphing: | you want to control from another machine? |
| [19:05:00] | a1fa|64: | maybe |
| [19:05:00] | a1fa|64: | will frontend run on 233mhz box? ;P |
| [19:05:00] | sphing: | i would recommend synergy |
| [19:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | a1fa: That wouldn't likely work well as a frontend. Might be ok as a backend though |
| [19:05:00] | a1fa|64: | nah :( |
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| [19:05:00] | sphing: | a1fa: Ive got myth running on an xbox |
| [19:05:00] | chaoticgeek: | that is freaking cool |
| [19:06:00] | a1fa|64: | frontend? |
| [19:06:00] | sphing: | yes |
| [19:06:00] | a1fa|64: | nice |
| [19:06:00] | sphing: | with 64 megs of ram on a celeron 333 i believe |
| [19:06:00] | a1fa|64: | but xbox has how many mhz? |
| [19:06:00] | a1fa|64: | oh wow |
| [19:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: No, they are 64Meg of ram on aCeleron 733 |
| [19:06:00] | a1fa|64: | not bad |
| [19:06:00] | sphing: | 60 really as 4 are for the frame |
| [19:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | not 333 |
| [19:06:00] | poop: | Celeron+ |
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| [19:06:00] | sphing: | ah, big diff with 733 and 333 |
| [19:07:00] | a1fa|64: | http://www.voxtechnologies.com/Embedded_Platf . . . os_566b2.jpg |
| [19:07:00] | a1fa|64: | this is |
| [19:07:00] | a1fa|64: | the motherboard :P |
| [19:07:00] | a1fa|64: | my buddy will get me AMD K6-II 450mhz on monday |
| [19:07:00] | a1fa|64: | to put it in there |
| [19:07:00] | IA-Outdoors: | doot, I assume you used the lastest .13 gentoo kernel? |
| [19:07:00] | IA-Outdoors: | -r5 I believe? |
| [19:08:00] | a1fa|64: | it also has a PCI expansion, but no place to fit the card |
| [19:08:00] | doot: | yeah |
| [19:08:00] | a1fa|64: | what do you guys think? use it as a remote or something else :P |
| [19:08:00] | IA-Outdoors: | cool, compiling as we speak |
| [19:08:00] | a1fa|64: | or run myth-frontend from the toilet? |
| [19:08:00] | a1fa|64: | or showere |
| [19:08:00] | a1fa|64: | ? |
| [19:09:00] | IA-Outdoors: | you know what? This is the 6th year to the day I started using Linux |
| [19:09:00] | doot: | i use my laptop to watch tv from the toilet :P |
| [19:09:00] | IA-Outdoors: | ...should be parties for stuff like that ;-) |
| [19:09:00] | doot: | had to upgrade wireless to 802.11g tho, b was too slow |
| [19:09:00] | doot: | hehe |
| [19:09:00] | IA-Outdoors: | lol...until your legs fall asleep, no doubt |
| [19:09:00] | IA-Outdoors: | Yeah, I upgraded to G just for Myth |
| [19:10:00] | a1fa|64: | i might sell it on ebay |
| [19:10:00] | IA-Outdoors: | I do the same thing but with the Cabelas catalog |
| [19:10:00] | a1fa|64: | the LCD has few stuck pixels down the line, but other than that its nice |
| [19:10:00] | a1fa|64: | $500 |
| [19:10:00] | a1fa|64: | what do you guys think? |
| [19:10:00] | IA-Outdoors: | ...the toilet is the only sacred place for a married man with kids |
| [19:10:00] | IA-Outdoors: | no one dare bother me in there |
| [19:10:00] | hadees (n=hadees@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/hadees) Quit (Success) | |
| [19:11:00] | sphing: | IA-Outdoors: hows the G when fast forwarding? |
| [19:11:00] | IA-Outdoors: | a1fa|64: I usually search ebay and find similar stuff...then add 10% |
| [19:11:00] | a1fa|64: | :P |
| [19:11:00] | IA-Outdoors: | sphing: works fine for me |
| [19:11:00] | a1fa|64: | IA-Outdoors: thats what I did |
| [19:11:00] | a1fa|64: | POS systems are 1k and up |
| [19:11:00] | IA-Outdoors: | Yeah, you should be alright |
| [19:11:00] | sphing: | IA-Outdoors: i have a wire across my living room because my B is just too slow |
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| [19:12:00] | a1fa|64: | i am selling this one w/o cash register, windows 2000 |
| [19:12:00] | IA-Outdoors: | sphing: yeah, that's why I made the jump |
| [19:12:00] | a1fa|64: | it has windows 2000 |
| [19:12:00] | a1fa|64: | cd rom, 200 mb of ram |
| [19:12:00] | a1fa|64: | sound card ;P |
| [19:12:00] | sphing: | my roommate has had just about enough |
| [19:12:00] | ** GreyFoxx ponders turning an old laptop into a Wireless G <-> Ethernet bridge ** | |
| [19:12:00] | sphing: | LOL |
| [19:12:00] | IA-Outdoors: | best part is I can jump on my neighbor's unsecure G while doing myth to do things like downloading Gentoo, etc |
| [19:13:00] | sphing: | rather bulky grey no? |
| [19:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: Not enough to bother me |
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| [19:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's just sitting on a shelf doing nothing (broken LCD) |
| [19:13:00] | sphing: | IA-Outdoors: I have about 8 insecure wireless from where i'm sitting right now |
| [19:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | I was using it as a firewall for a while, but it's been idle for a year now |
| [19:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | and I need to get ethernet to a room in the house that I haven't wired yet :) |
| [19:14:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: commflagging/transcoding box? |
| [19:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: At the moment I only plan on it being a bridge, who knows what else I might put on it |
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| [19:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't transcode in *nix anymore and I don't commflag :) |
| [19:15:00] | sphing: | windows... ill |
| [19:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | Like it or not the transcoding tools under *nix are slow |
| [19:16:00] | sphing: | i dont have any windows boxes, so i dont have a choice |
| [19:16:00] | IA-Outdoors: | hrm, .13 kernel seems to have borked sound |
| [19:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | and transcodeing is something I don't do much of either |
| [19:16:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: how much total space you got? |
| [19:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | 1TB |
| [19:16:00] | a1fa|64: | i dont know what to do with this POS :P |
| [19:16:00] | a1fa|64: | somebody give me an idea |
| [19:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | 300G in the slave backend |
| [19:16:00] | sphing: | dear god man..... thats ENORMOUS |
| [19:16:00] | a1fa|64: | it has 100Mbit FULL ethernet :P |
| [19:16:00] | eidolon: | hi folks – our mythfrontend (running on the myth box itself) is having font problems. |
| [19:17:00] | eidolon: | particularly, in the mythmusic stuff, the text overlaps the graphic boundaries. |
| [19:17:00] | eidolon: | just... sorta looks sloppy. |
| [19:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: Moving to 2TB after Xmas :) |
| [19:18:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: thats pretty insane... how much of it is myth? |
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| [19:18:00] | a1fa|64: | how do you clean an LCD with touchscreen ontop.. it has bunch of finger prints |
| [19:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: offhand , no idea |
| [19:18:00] | eidolon: | heh. we're up to 450gig or so. |
| [19:18:00] | sphing: | a1fa: you power it off? |
| [19:18:00] | a1fa|64: | yeah |
| [19:18:00] | sphing: | i need to LVM my two 160's |
| [19:19:00] | eidolon: | anyway – any ideas on the font display problem? :-/ |
| [19:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use raid5, it's 1 big ass partition |
| [19:19:00] | sphing: | adding to a raid5 is a hassle |
| [19:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | pullout drive trays just in case |
| [19:19:00] | a1fa|64: | eidolon: get a different fornt |
| [19:19:00] | a1fa|64: | font |
| [19:19:00] | eidolon: | a1fa: thanks. how would i do that? |
| [19:19:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: ide or scsi? |
| [19:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | the new case I'm getting for xmas is a rackmount with 8 removable bays in the front |
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| [19:19:00] | a1fa|64: | apt-get install |
| [19:20:00] | a1fa|64: | apt-get install xfonts |
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| [19:20:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v xris | |
| [19:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: IDE, scsi just isn't worth the money |
| [19:20:00] | ** a1fa|64 downloads knoppix mythtv ** | |
| [19:20:00] | eidolon: | mythtv@mythtv:~$ dpkg -l | grep -i xfonts |
| [19:20:00] | eidolon: | ii xfonts-100dpi 4.3.0.dfsg.1–8 100 dpi fonts for X |
| [19:20:00] | eidolon: | i already have the xfonts installed. |
| [19:20:00] | a1fa|64: | then |
| [19:20:00] | a1fa|64: | do this |
| [19:20:00] | a1fa|64: | -- -dpi 75 |
| [19:20:00] | poop: | no, no, you want the new parallel SATA |
| [19:20:00] | a1fa|64: | add that to your xinit script |
| [19:21:00] | eidolon: | hmm |
| [19:21:00] | xris: | wow, zap2it actually sent me an expiration notice. |
| [19:21:00] | eidolon: | which xinit script? |
| [19:21:00] | a1fa|64: | the one that starts your mythtv-frontend |
| [19:21:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: do you have the backend running of a diff machine than your file server? |
| [19:21:00] | poop: | xris: I get one every few months |
| [19:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | xris: hehe yeah, I got one the other day, suprised me :L) |
| [19:22:00] | eidolon: | hmm. |
| [19:22:00] | eidolon: | i'm running knoppmyth. not sure where to look for that :) |
| [19:22:00] | a1fa|64: | i got it |
| [19:22:00] | a1fa|64: | :p |
| [19:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: currently I have it running as the master frontend, but I'm moving that to a seperate machine . the frontends are netbooting with nfs mounts to the fileserver |
| [19:22:00] | a1fa|64: | its gay, but it works |
| [19:22:00] | a1fa|64: | i need to get drivers for my touchscreen |
| [19:22:00] | a1fa|64: | there are linux drivers for my touchscreen btw :P |
| [19:22:00] | poop: | By gay you mean stylish? |
| [19:23:00] | a1fa|64: | no :P |
| [19:23:00] | a1fa|64: | by gay I means different, and odd |
| [19:23:00] | eidolon: | no, he means 'gay = stupid' |
| [19:23:00] | poop: | Well-groomed? |
| [19:23:00] | eidolon: | which is pretty offsensive. |
| [19:23:00] | a1fa|64: | nothing wrong with gay |
| [19:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | eidolon: I agree |
| [19:23:00] | poop: | Maybe "queer" would be better then |
| [19:23:00] | eidolon: | a1fa: according to you it is. |
| [19:23:00] | a1fa|64: | nah |
| [19:23:00] | a1fa|64: | i am down with gay people man |
| [19:23:00] | eidolon: | since you equate the term with 'stupid' or 'garbage' or 'bad' |
| [19:23:00] | xris: | poop: they missed the last couple. |
| [19:23:00] | eidolon: | then pick a different term. |
| [19:23:00] | a1fa|64: | my ex-gf turned gay :( |
| [19:24:00] | xris: | not that it really affects me while on LxM, but I still fill out the survey. |
| [19:24:00] | eidolon: | congratulations. try using a different term. |
| [19:24:00] | a1fa|64: | no, i said different and odd |
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| [19:24:00] | a1fa|64: | :P |
| [19:24:00] | IA-Outdoors: | how bad is it when glxinfo says "error: unabled to open display (null)" |
| [19:24:00] | a1fa|64: | funny thing.. my ex gf turned gay.. i made her turn gay and hate men :P |
| [19:24:00] | doot: | neat, fixed |
| [19:25:00] | doot: | had to blow out channel/tuner settings and reste |
| [19:25:00] | doot: | reset |
| [19:25:00] | IA-Outdoors: | doot: you wouldn't know by chance? |
| [19:25:00] | eidolon: | IA-Outdoors: means you either don't have an Xserver running, you'r suing the wrong one, or... er... that's probably it. |
| [19:25:00] | eidolon: | so it looks like knoppmyth is using gdm to launch the xsession. |
| [19:25:00] | eidolon: | which makes sense |
| [19:25:00] | IA-Outdoors: | starting X I get "failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module" |
| [19:26:00] | IA-Outdoors: | (sigh) |
| [19:26:00] | hari_seldon99: | okay, I managed to get it working, but something wierd is up with my mythconverg database |
| [19:26:00] | hari_seldon99: | I tried to change the password from the default 'mythtv' |
| [19:26:00] | a1fa|64: | can you windex your LCD screen w/ touchscreen? |
| [19:26:00] | a1fa|64: | IA-Outdoors: disable GLX |
| [19:26:00] | hari_seldon99: | it works locally, but a remote frontend can't connect with the new passwd, only with the old 'mythtv' passwd |
| [19:26:00] | eidolon: | a1fa: there's a couple faq's about how to clean an LCD screen |
| [19:27:00] | IA-Outdoors: | a1fa|64: not meaning to doubt you, but why? |
| [19:27:00] | a1fa|64: | IA-Outdoors: you dont need glx.. i had the same problem |
| [19:27:00] | IA-Outdoors: | k, took out of xorg.conf and same problemo |
| [19:27:00] | poop: | a1fa: I think lcd's are supposed to get the soft, damp cloth treatment |
| [19:28:00] | a1fa|64: | water? |
| [19:28:00] | hari_seldon99: | and, the mythtv backend does not start with sysinit anymore. I have to start it manually as user |
| [19:28:00] | a1fa|64: | IA-Outdoors: lsmod |
| [19:28:00] | a1fa|64: | see if nvidia is loaded |
| [19:28:00] | IA-Outdoors: | a1fa|64: sure is |
| [19:29:00] | a1fa|64: | aight |
| [19:29:00] | a1fa|64: | paste your xlog |
| [19:29:00] | a1fa|64: | then |
| [19:29:00] | a1fa|64: | on pastebin.ca |
| [19:29:00] | eidolon: | not here. |
| [19:29:00] | eidolon: | :) |
| [19:29:00] | a1fa|64: | woot this POS is nice |
| [19:29:00] | IA-Outdoors: | k |
| [19:29:00] | doot: | yeah that did it, all fixed, im good to go now :) |
| [19:30:00] | doot: | annoying. its almost like a microsoft product. just had to blow away all my nice working settings and reinput them all to make it work :) |
| [19:30:00] | ** eidolon still can't find the X startup ** | |
| [19:30:00] | doot: | but unlike a microsoft product, im sure it will work forever now |
| [19:30:00] | doot: | Encoder status |
| [19:30:00] | doot: | Encoder 1 is local on argos and is not recording. |
| [19:30:00] | doot: | Encoder 2 is local on argos and is not recording. |
| [19:30:00] | doot: | Encoder 3 is remote on siegfried and is not recording. |
| [19:30:00] | doot: | woot |
| [19:30:00] | doot: | hehe |
| [19:30:00] | IA-Outdoors: | a1fa|64: "screen(s) found but none have usable configuration" |
| [19:30:00] | eidolon: | 3 encoders? |
| [19:30:00] | eidolon: | dayam. |
| [19:30:00] | doot: | hehe yeah im addicted to myth |
| [19:30:00] | doot: | and so is the woman |
| [19:31:00] | doot: | shes the one that made me setup this 3rd one |
| [19:31:00] | a1fa|64: | dude |
| [19:31:00] | a1fa|64: | paste it |
| [19:31:00] | a1fa|64: | i cant help you if i cant see eit |
| [19:31:00] | IA-Outdoors: | a1fa|64: the log or the .conf? |
| [19:31:00] | a1fa|64: | both |
| [19:32:00] | a1fa|64: | are you using 800x600 resolution? |
| [19:32:00] | eidolon: | okay... i'm totally lost on the dpi startup. a1fa, i understand sort of what you're saying, but i have no clue in the mazxe of Xsession.d and 99xfree86-common_start and all that noise stuff where to put the dpi setting you're talking about. |
| [19:32:00] | a1fa|64: | what window manager are you using |
| [19:32:00] | eidolon: | whatever knoppmyth uses. sec |
| [19:32:00] | IA-Outdoors: | a1fa|64: evilwm |
| [19:32:00] | doot: | now i need to take a shower and head to circuit city to get an svideo cable. all the crap in my boxes and i dont have another one :) lol. |
| [19:32:00] | IA-Outdoors: | oh, nm |
| [19:33:00] | eidolon: | looks like fluxbox |
| [19:33:00] | a1fa|64: | eidolon: grep "xinit" 99xfree86-common_start |
| [19:33:00] | a1fa|64: | and paste here |
| [19:33:00] | a1fa|64: | it should only be 1 line |
| [19:33:00] | jams: | it's fluxbox |
| [19:33:00] | eidolon: | none. |
| [19:34:00] | eidolon: | root@mythtv:/etc/X11/Xsession.d# grep -i xinit 99xfree86-common_start |
| [19:34:00] | eidolon: | root@mythtv:/etc/X11/Xsession.d# |
| [19:34:00] | a1fa|64: | try Xsession.d |
| [19:34:00] | eidolon: | root@mythtv:/etc/X11/Xsession.d# grep -i xinit * |
| [19:34:00] | eidolon: | root@mythtv:/etc/X11/Xsession.d# |
| [19:34:00] | eidolon: | |
| [19:34:00] | eidolon: | :) |
| [19:34:00] | a1fa|64: | su – mythtv -c "xinit /usr/bin/mythfrontend — -dpi 115" & |
| [19:34:00] | a1fa|64: | this is how i start mythtv |
| [19:34:00] | eidolon: | that's fine n dandy, but that's not how my box starts :) |
| [19:35:00] | a1fa|64: | i know |
| [19:35:00] | eidolon: | and i assume that's not how most folks would want to start their system :) |
| [19:35:00] | a1fa|64: | but i am giving you an example |
| [19:35:00] | a1fa|64: | true |
| [19:35:00] | eidolon: | ohhhhh. wait |
| [19:35:00] | eidolon: | hmm. |
| [19:35:00] | a1fa|64: | now.. you need to find what executes your box |
| [19:35:00] | a1fa|64: | X windows.. and add — -dpi 75 on there |
| [19:35:00] | eidolon: | xinit isn't the startup. this is all gdm launched. |
| [19:35:00] | eidolon: | yeah, i understand that. |
| [19:35:00] | a1fa|64: | ah |
| [19:35:00] | a1fa|64: | so edit gdm |
| [19:35:00] | a1fa|64: | lol |
| [19:35:00] | eidolon: | ever edited gdm? talk about a maze of twisty little painful passages. |
| [19:35:00] | a1fa|64: | gdm should have start options |
| [19:36:00] | a1fa|64: | find xinit |
| [19:36:00] | a1fa|64: | on there |
| [19:36:00] | IA-Outdoors: | a1fa|64: log is at http://pastebin.ca/29322 |
| [19:36:00] | eidolon: | exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| [19:36:00] | a1fa|64: | edit xsessions |
| [19:36:00] | a1fa|64: | then |
| [19:36:00] | a1fa|64: | it should be there |
| [19:36:00] | eidolon: | that's the /etc/gdm/Sessions/fluxbox line |
| [19:37:00] | eidolon: | nope. okay. hang on. i'll do this myself. not to diss you much, but you're thinking like someone who has never really used gdm or large scale X configurations, and thinks in terms of 'just run the xinit', which most systems don't just do anymore. |
| [19:37:00] | IA-Outdoors: | a1fa|64: http://pastebin.ca/29323 is the config |
| [19:38:00] | a1fa|64: | disable PCI |
| [19:38:00] | a1fa|64: | BusID "PCI:2:0:0" |
| [19:38:00] | a1fa|64: | you dont need that |
| [19:38:00] | IA-Outdoors: | k |
| [19:38:00] | a1fa|64: | and you dont have any resolutions |
| [19:38:00] | a1fa|64: | set-up |
| [19:39:00] | IA-Outdoors: | wonder if xorgconf messed that up |
| [19:39:00] | a1fa|64: | Modes "800x600" "640x480" |
| [19:39:00] | a1fa|64: | you need to add that |
| [19:39:00] | a1fa|64: | under |
| [19:39:00] | a1fa|64: | SubSection "Display" |
| [19:39:00] | a1fa|64: | Viewport 0 0 |
| [19:39:00] | a1fa|64: | Depth 16 |
| [19:39:00] | a1fa|64: | remove viewport |
| [19:39:00] | a1fa|64: | and add Modes |
| [19:39:00] | IA-Outdoors: | what resolution can Myth do? |
| [19:39:00] | a1fa|64: | and try again |
| [19:39:00] | a1fa|64: | what resolution can your monitor do? |
| [19:39:00] | a1fa|64: | or "TV" |
| [19:40:00] | a1fa|64: | since you are using tv-out |
| [19:40:00] | IA-Outdoors: | 1600x1200 |
| [19:40:00] | eidolon: | ah... HAH! |
| [19:40:00] | eidolon: | name=Standard server |
| [19:40:00] | eidolon: | command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -audit 0 |
| [19:40:00] | IA-Outdoors: | TV...just a tube. Not sure |
| [19:40:00] | eidolon: | i betcha that's it 8) |
| [19:40:00] | a1fa|64: | IA-Outdoors: 800x600 |
| [19:40:00] | a1fa|64: | MAX!!! |
| [19:40:00] | a1fa|64: | but anyway |
| [19:41:00] | a1fa|64: | anybody want to buy this POS terminal? |
| [19:41:00] | eidolon: | i might |
| [19:41:00] | eidolon: | what is it? |
| [19:41:00] | a1fa|64: | lol :P |
| [19:41:00] | a1fa|64: | its an LCD display w/ touchscreen |
| [19:41:00] | a1fa|64: | 200 mb |
| [19:41:00] | a1fa|64: | ethernet and audio |
| [19:41:00] | eidolon: | huh! |
| [19:41:00] | eidolon: | yes, manufacturer and model? |
| [19:41:00] | a1fa|64: | 233mhz |
| [19:41:00] | a1fa|64: | it doesnt say |
| [19:41:00] | a1fa|64: | POS-566 is the motherboard |
| [19:42:00] | eidolon: | hm |
| [19:42:00] | eidolon: | got a picture ? |
| [19:42:00] | IA-Outdoors: | a1fa|64: k, did the update with no luck |
| [19:42:00] | a1fa|64: | what is the error again |
| [19:42:00] | a1fa|64: | nah no picture |
| [19:42:00] | eidolon: | okay, that changed the font around,t hat's for sure. |
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| [19:42:00] | a1fa|64: | let me see if i can take a picture |
| [19:42:00] | eidolon: | but this is running on a 21" montior at 1024x768 |
| [19:43:00] | eidolon: | dpi 75 seems to be better. |
| [19:44:00] | a1fa|64: | ok |
| [19:44:00] | a1fa|64: | i tooka picture |
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| [19:45:00] | a1fa|64: | uploading.. |
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| [19:46:00] | webbnetsys: | Greetings Everybody |
| [19:46:00] | a1fa|64: | http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/5710/dscf00053hh.jpg |
| [19:46:00] | webbnetsys: | Does anybody have a good xorg.conf I can look at?? |
| [19:46:00] | a1fa|64: | that be my cat in the background.. .peeking at me |
| [19:46:00] | a1fa|64: | webbnetsys: why? |
| [19:46:00] | a1fa|64: | ask what are you interested in |
| [19:46:00] | webbnetsys: | I am using Fedora, and for the past three days I have been trying to get the video out working. |
| [19:47:00] | webbnetsys: | I was able to cat /dev/video |
| [19:47:00] | a1fa|64: | lol |
| [19:47:00] | IA-Outdoors: | a1fa|64: well, got closer using xorgconfig instead of Xorg -conf |
| [19:47:00] | a1fa|64: | my cat is trying to grab my cable |
| [19:47:00] | webbnetsys: | And I was also able to watch tv by doing the dd trick |
| [19:47:00] | a1fa|64: | cool |
| [19:47:00] | IA-Outdoors: | how to I kill X? It's locked |
| [19:47:00] | a1fa|64: | killall -9 X |
| [19:47:00] | a1fa|64: | killall -9 xinit |
| [19:48:00] | doot: | or control+alt+backspace |
| [19:48:00] | webbnetsys: | But I can't get xorg to allow both of the framebuffers I have set up. |
| [19:48:00] | doot: | the unix 3 finger salute |
| [19:48:00] | a1fa|64: | eidolon: what do you think about my pos |
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| [19:48:00] | IA-Outdoors: | hrm didn't work |
| [19:48:00] | webbnetsys: | I am using Fedora with onboard video with the Haupage 350 |
| [19:49:00] | a1fa|64: | ps aux |
| [19:49:00] | a1fa|64: | see what is running |
| [19:49:00] | webbnetsys: | a1fa|64: is this to me?? |
| [19:50:00] | a1fa|64: | not u |
| [19:50:00] | a1fa|64: | pvr-350 is crap |
| [19:50:00] | a1fa|64: | :P |
| [19:50:00] | webbnetsys: | Oh Ok |
| [19:50:00] | doot: | 350 isnt bad, onboard decoder is nice |
| [19:50:00] | webbnetsys: | Sorry, but out of all the documentation on it. I wanted a TV out so I can watch the live tv. |
| [19:50:00] | poop: | a1fa: What was your reasoning behind deciding that? |
| [19:50:00] | webbnetsys: | And the decoder as well. |
| [19:51:00] | poop: | webb: You just need tv out somewhere on the computer, not on the card. |
| [19:51:00] | webbnetsys: | I want to see the export on my screen as well as the tv. |
| [19:51:00] | bigslam: | hmm is a PVR-150 card anygood? |
| [19:52:00] | doot: | its a fine mpeg2 encoder |
| [19:52:00] | poop: | webb: You could mirror on both outputs ... |
| [19:52:00] | webbnetsys: | I was able to see video of a .mpg using mplayer |
| [19:52:00] | bigslam: | whats wrong with mpeg2? |
| [19:52:00] | doot: | nothing? |
| [19:52:00] | doot: | sometimes it pisses me off that it uses so much space.. thats about it |
| [19:52:00] | doot: | heh |
| [19:52:00] | webbnetsys: | poop What do you have?? |
| [19:53:00] | doot: | but then there's hdtv at 9.4gig an hour, so i dont get too pissed off at it :) |
| [19:53:00] | webbnetsys: | Are you guys using framebuffering in your configs?? |
| [19:53:00] | poop: | webb: Can you be more specific? I have a lot. |
| [19:53:00] | bigslam: | hmm poop |
| [19:53:00] | webbnetsys: | What graphics setup do you have?? one card, two?? any onboard?? |
| [19:54:00] | poop: | webb: In my htpc I have an nvidia card with dvi, vga, and s-video outputs |
| [19:54:00] | a1fa|64: | http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00109jb.jpg |
| [19:54:00] | a1fa|64: | eidolon: http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00109jb.jpg |
| [19:55:00] | webbnetsys: | Ok, so your not using your onboard to view it. |
| [19:55:00] | a1fa|64: | i am about to run myth on iot |
| [19:55:00] | a1fa|64: | check it out |
| [19:55:00] | poop: | webb: on-board what? |
| [19:55:00] | webbnetsys: | I don't want to have to keep my monitor up and running in order to view myth. |
| [19:55:00] | webbnetsys: | on-board video. |
| [19:56:00] | webbnetsys: | I have an on-board videocard that I am trying to get the video to go out in addition to the video out on the 350 |
| [19:56:00] | webbnetsys: | I assume that is how your supposed to set it up, right?? |
| [19:56:00] | poop: | webb: You have a mini-itx machine or something? |
| [19:56:00] | webbnetsys: | I am following the fedora HOW-TO |
| [19:56:00] | doot: | heh |
| [19:57:00] | doot: | mmk im out |
| [19:57:00] | doot: | ;p |
| [19:57:00] | doot: | later0n peeps |
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| [19:57:00] | poop: | webb: No, afaik it's one or the other in that case. A single video card could output it on more than one device though. |
| [19:57:00] | webbnetsys: | no, mid-tower with 350 gigs, 500 Megs Ram, 1800?? AMD athlon |
| [19:58:00] | webbnetsys: | So the object is to not get the video to go out on both video cards at the same time then?? |
| [19:58:00] | webbnetsys: | It is to export the video to the 350 only, right?? |
| [19:58:00] | dev-: | i dont think you understand what you're trying to do |
| [19:58:00] | webbnetsys: | I don't care how I get it running just as I get it running. |
| [19:58:00] | a1fa|64: | New 'X' desktop is mytivo:1 |
| [19:58:00] | a1fa|64: | lol |
| [19:58:00] | a1fa|64: | bastard |
| [19:58:00] | a1fa|64: | i want :0 |
| [19:58:00] | webbnetsys: | dev, your right. lol |
| [19:59:00] | dev-: | all you're useing webb, is X |
| [19:59:00] | dev-: | have you used x before? |
| [19:59:00] | webbnetsys: | Of course. |
| [19:59:00] | dev-: | thats all myth uses... you can setup x in a dual head configuration right.. |
| [19:59:00] | webbnetsys: | But I normally don't code the flat files. |
| [19:59:00] | dev-: | useing the 350 and your onboard |
| [19:59:00] | dev-: | but i have no clue why you'd want to do that |
| [19:59:00] | webbnetsys: | The system-config-desktop doesn't recognise the Haupage card. |
| [20:00:00] | dev-: | dunno what that is |
| [20:00:00] | dev-: | i just vi xorg.conf |
| [20:00:00] | webbnetsys: | So that means I have to set it manually. |
| [20:00:00] | dev-: | heh |
| [20:00:00] | webbnetsys: | I have it open already. |
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| [20:01:00] | IA-Outdoors: | a1fa|64: k, things die when I change the driver from nv to nvidia |
| [20:01:00] | IA-Outdoors: | I'm baffled |
| [20:01:00] | dev-: | to use the 350 as your output device you get the busid from lscpi and enter it in.. you could have 2 monitor subsections and 2 bus ids to display on 2 cards. but then how you control which one myth opens on is beyond me.. i have not tried to do something like that |
| [20:01:00] | webbnetsys: | Should the video be running through framebuffer? |
| [20:01:00] | poop: | webb: Alright, what do you actually want to happen? |
| [20:01:00] | dev-: | oh, you could do it with 2 x sessions. |
| [20:01:00] | webbnetsys: | dev-: I put in the bus id in and running startx complains about the other frame buffer device not having a bus id as well. |
| [20:02:00] | dev-: | webbnetsys: thats not a show stopper, thats just a warning |
| [20:02:00] | webbnetsys: | So then I found the onboard bus ID |
| [20:02:00] | dev-: | WW's are warnings |
| [20:02:00] | webbnetsys: | and put that in, and it still didn't start. |
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| [20:02:00] | dev-: | thats not the problem |
| [20:02:00] | webbnetsys: | Oh, OK cool. |
| [20:02:00] | webbnetsys: | Hmmmm.... |
| [20:03:00] | dev-: | (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering not yet supported on Radeon 9500 and newer cards |
| [20:03:00] | dev-: | oh bah |
| [20:03:00] | dev-: | stupid ati |
| [20:03:00] | dev-: | look for EE |
| [20:03:00] | dev-: | s |
| [20:03:00] | dev-: | or some such |
| [20:03:00] | webbnetsys: | Ok dev, so how should I set it up. |
| [20:03:00] | sphing: | i was reading on the listserv about people using myth without x |
| [20:03:00] | webbnetsys: | to use the 350 as the sole video card?? |
| [20:04:00] | webbnetsys: | with frame buffering?? |
| [20:04:00] | sphing: | yea |
| [20:04:00] | sphing: | i have no idea how |
| [20:04:00] | dev-: | sphing: you can run many apps on console useing fb |
| [20:04:00] | dev-: | yeah me niether, never tried it |
| [20:04:00] | sphing: | dev-: so you could run myth without ever running X? |
| [20:04:00] | dev-: | webbnetsys: figure it out and tell us how :) |
| [20:04:00] | dev-: | sphing: yeah, supposedly |
| [20:04:00] | webbnetsys: | That is why I am here: lol |
| [20:04:00] | dev-: | andy x app |
| [20:04:00] | dev-: | webbnetsys: this channel is for mythtv supoport, not really support and setting up your x server |
| [20:05:00] | dev-: | hehe |
| [20:05:00] | webbnetsys: | The x server runs. |
| [20:05:00] | webbnetsys: | The Card works outside of myth. |
| [20:05:00] | webbnetsys: | myth is set up correctly, and runs on the box. |
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| [20:06:00] | dev-: | cool, sounds like you're all set |
| [20:06:00] | webbnetsys: | I can get all the other details hammered out, but this one is killing me. |
| [20:06:00] | webbnetsys: | I can't use myth to watch a video, because it isn't exporting the video out to the 350. |
| [20:06:00] | dev-: | because you're not useing your 350 for x |
| [20:07:00] | webbnetsys: | Rigth. |
| [20:07:00] | dev-: | whatever's configured in xorg is what its going to use |
| [20:07:00] | dev-: | so as i said, use lscpi to find the busid of the output device on the 350 and rewrite your xorg |
| [20:07:00] | webbnetsys: | Let me put back the configurations that I was messing with last night and post the errors in a couple minutes. |
| [20:07:00] | webbnetsys: | I already have. the xserver still crashes. |
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| [20:08:00] | dev-: | did you change the driver? |
| [20:08:00] | dev-: | from what i understand a 350 is easy to setup |
| [20:08:00] | univac_: | univac: . |
| [20:08:00] | dev-: | just change the driver and busid, vendorname/boardname would probably be helpfull too.. that should do you |
| [20:09:00] | webbnetsys: | No, but in the fedora, it was talking about problems with the SIS onboard video cards, and said to install another driver. |
| [20:09:00] | dev-: | then youcould have another x session start on your other monitor with the original config useing the different busid/driver of your onbaord card |
| [20:09:00] | webbnetsys: | Originally it was vesa driver SIS |
| [20:09:00] | IA-Outdoors: | si there anything particular in the kernel I need to get nvidia drivers working? I have a geforce2 |
| [20:09:00] | webbnetsys: | The howto wanted me to change it to the SIS 650 |
| [20:09:00] | dev-: | IA-Outdoors: no |
| [20:10:00] | IA-Outdoors: | bleh |
| [20:10:00] | dev-: | media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.6629-r4 * |
| [20:10:00] | dev-: | media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.6629-r1 * |
| [20:10:00] | dev-: | media-video/nvidia-settings-1.0.6629 * |
| [20:10:00] | webbnetsys: | Let me mess around with it a bit. |
| [20:10:00] | dev-: | in gentoo you just install those |
| [20:10:00] | dev-: | then change xorg to nvidia from nv |
| [20:10:00] | dev-: | done |
| [20:11:00] | dev-: | brb |
| [20:11:00] | a1fa|64: | `anybody familiar with vnc? |
| [20:11:00] | webbnetsys: | a1fa|64: yes. |
| [20:11:00] | webbnetsys: | On Linux or windows?? |
| [20:12:00] | a1fa|64: | Linux |
| [20:12:00] | a1fa|64: | i have :0 allready running.. i want vnc to bind to :0 |
| [20:13:00] | a1fa|64: | is that even possible? |
| [20:13:00] | IA-Outdoors: | dev-: rebuilding...something is seriously flawed |
| [20:14:00] | webbnetsys: | dev-: Ok here is the error : Fatal server error: Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices. |
| [20:14:00] | webbnetsys: | So I add them in. |
| [20:14:00] | webbnetsys: | 350 is 00:09.0 |
| [20:14:00] | eidolon: | HAH! FOUND THE FRIGGIN PATCH CABLE. |
| [20:15:00] | eidolon: | mythmusic is happily playing mp3's now. |
| [20:15:00] | webbnetsys: | And the onboard video card is 01:00.0 |
| [20:15:00] | IA-Outdoors: | dev-: what method for creating a half working xorg.conf do you recommend? |
| [20:15:00] | IA-Outdoors: | I simply can't get this nvidia sh*t working (sigh) |
| [20:15:00] | a1fa|64: | webbnetsys: dude? anyway? |
| [20:16:00] | webbnetsys: | But when I add the 01:00:0 to the xorg.conf it says this: |
| [20:16:00] | IA-Outdoors: | ...cause Xorg -configure sure won't work (sigh) |
| [20:16:00] | eidolon: | huh. hit '4' to go to full screen visualizer, and the myth front end wedged. |
| [20:16:00] | eidolon: | not good. |
| [20:18:00] | webbnetsys: | SIS: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found |
| [20:18:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | a1fa|64: you want to view your current display over vnc? if so, then you want a program called x11vnc |
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| [20:18:00] | webbnetsys: | So what does this mean guys? that the xconfig can't find it in the config file?? or that it can't find the busid that is listed in lspci? |
| [20:19:00] | webbnetsys: | Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenINit failed for driver 0 |
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| [20:22:00] | a1fa|64: | hehe |
| [20:22:00] | a1fa|64: | can you have two instances of mythtv-frontend running on one box? |
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| [20:24:00] | IA-Outdoors: | I see related to nvidia stuff people modprobing for vgahw...what's that about? |
| [20:25:00] | a1fa|64: | i got a problem dude |
| [20:25:00] | a1fa|64: | once a while i get that screen saver stuck on mythtv |
| [20:25:00] | a1fa|64: | its just stuck |
| [20:25:00] | a1fa|64: | how do you fix that shit? |
| [20:26:00] | a1fa|64: | i tried moving the mouse around, the remote, keyboard |
| [20:26:00] | a1fa|64: | nothing |
| [20:26:00] | webbnetsys: | Can you disable the screensaver?? |
| [20:27:00] | a1fa|64: | i dunno |
| [20:27:00] | webbnetsys: | CTRL-ALT F1, login as root |
| [20:27:00] | a1fa|64: | i am running it under xinit |
| [20:27:00] | a1fa|64: | lol |
| [20:27:00] | webbnetsys: | kill the mythfrontend and login. |
| [20:27:00] | webbnetsys: | huh, I don't know anything about that. |
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| [20:32:00] | bigslam: | whats the command to rename a dir? |
| [20:33:00] | a1fa|64: | mv |
| [20:33:00] | a1fa|64: | mv dir\ dir2\ |
| [20:34:00] | a1fa|64: | hey |
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| [20:34:00] | a1fa|64: | when you click watch TV |
| [20:34:00] | a1fa|64: | where does watch tv take place |
| [20:34:00] | a1fa|64: | on a different terminal |
| [20:34:00] | a1fa|64: | and not in X11? |
| [20:36:00] | dev-: | IA-Outdoors: on any new box im getting x working on, i run X -configure first.. that gives me a base xorg.conf to modify around then i toss it in place |
| [20:36:00] | dev-: | IA-Outdoors: you're lucky thats around, back in the day all you had was xf86setup and it was crap |
| [20:37:00] | IA-Outdoors: | dev-: I do remember those days |
| [20:37:00] | IA-Outdoors: | almost as bad as a sendmail config back in the day |
| [20:37:00] | dev-: | before or after m4 ;p |
| [20:38:00] | dev-: | friggin tabs |
| [20:38:00] | webbnetsys: | dev- Take a look at what I wrote earlier if you can. |
| [20:38:00] | webbnetsys: | In the start up it the busID has a (WW) in front of it. |
| [20:39:00] | webbnetsys: | then two lines below it (EE). |
| [20:39:00] | webbnetsys: | I can assume those (EE) lines are error lines, correct?? |
| [20:39:00] | dev-: | not sure ;/ |
| [20:39:00] | a1fa|64: | hey |
| [20:39:00] | dev-: | oh |
| [20:39:00] | dev-: | yeah, ee's are errors |
| [20:39:00] | dev-: | hehe |
| [20:39:00] | a1fa|64: | can u use a mouse around mythtv-frontend? |
| [20:39:00] | dev-: | but not sure what the driver 0 thing is |
| [20:39:00] | a1fa|64: | and click on things? |
| [20:40:00] | dev-: | no |
| [20:40:00] | dev-: | thats why touchscreen doesnt work with myth |
| [20:40:00] | a1fa|64: | ah fuck |
| [20:40:00] | IA-Outdoors: | dev-: figured it out |
| [20:40:00] | dev-: | someone in here is playing with that though |
| [20:41:00] | IA-Outdoors: | there were no /dev/nvidia* files |
| [20:41:00] | a1fa|64: | recompile |
| [20:41:00] | IA-Outdoors: | bug with 2.6.13+ kernels |
| [20:41:00] | IA-Outdoors: | anyway, finally where I an do the infamous "emerge mythtv" and take a nap |
| [20:41:00] | dev-: | you have mysql in your use flags right |
| [20:42:00] | dev-: | else qt wont compile with mysql support and you'll have to do this allll over again |
| [20:42:00] | webbnetsys: | THe errors lines that say. FBDEV(0) mmap fbmem: Invalid argument |
| [20:42:00] | webbnetsys: | And FBDEV(0): Map vid mem failed |
| [20:42:00] | a1fa|64: | http://img470.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00228tp.jpg |
| [20:42:00] | a1fa|64: | check this out guys |
| [20:42:00] | dev-: | that could be a problem |
| [20:42:00] | dev-: | hehe |
| [20:42:00] | a1fa|64: | http://img470.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00228tp.jpg |
| [20:42:00] | webbnetsys: | But I don't know where these are configured at?? |
| [20:42:00] | a1fa|64: | my touchscreen running mythtv |
| [20:42:00] | dev-: | yeah but can you touch things and make it work |
| [20:42:00] | webbnetsys: | Any ideas?? |
| [20:42:00] | a1fa|64: | yeah |
| [20:43:00] | dev-: | webbnetsys: no, sorry, havent played with framebuffer support |
| [20:43:00] | a1fa|64: | but i can use the remote |
| [20:43:00] | a1fa|64: | the only problem is |
| [20:43:00] | a1fa|64: | where does "tv" bind to |
| [20:43:00] | a1fa|64: | when you go watch tv |
| [20:43:00] | a1fa|64: | where is that at? |
| [20:43:00] | webbnetsys: | Ok Cool, but doesn't the 350 work on the frame buffer?? |
| [20:43:00] | a1fa|64: | is it bind to a different X? |
| [20:43:00] | a1fa|64: | or how does that work |
| [20:43:00] | dev-: | webbnetsys: doesnt have to |
| [20:43:00] | a1fa|64: | or it runs on a separate console terminal |
| [20:43:00] | dev-: | webbnetsys: im sure it could, if configured correctly |
| [20:44:00] | webbnetsys: | What other driver does it run on beside fbdev. |
| [20:44:00] | dev-: | a1fa: so you're saying you can touch the myth buttons on your screen and it does things |
| [20:44:00] | a1fa|64: | no |
| [20:44:00] | a1fa|64: | it doesnt do shit |
| [20:44:00] | dev-: | thats right |
| [20:44:00] | dev-: | because it cant |
| [20:44:00] | dev-: | heh |
| [20:44:00] | dev-: | unfortunately |
| [20:45:00] | a1fa|64: | that sucks dude |
| [20:45:00] | dev-: | webbnetsys: you're better off talking to someone who uses a 350, i dont |
| [20:45:00] | a1fa|64: | someone needs to patch that shit so it works |
| [20:45:00] | dev-: | go for it |
| [20:45:00] | dev-: | :) |
| [20:45:00] | a1fa|64: | dev-: i am vnced into my server |
| [20:45:00] | a1fa|64: | and here is the problem |
| [20:45:00] | a1fa|64: | when you "Watch TV" |
| [20:45:00] | a1fa|64: | i get a blank screen on the vnc |
| [20:45:00] | a1fa|64: | i am guessing it opens up a console |
| [20:45:00] | a1fa|64: | or something |
| [20:45:00] | dev-: | because vnc doesnt support xv? |
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| [20:46:00] | webbnetsys: | Ok Cool 8-) |
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| [20:46:00] | webbnetsys: | Thanks for your help. |
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| [20:47:00] | webbnetsys: | I am googling it right now to see if anybody has had this problem before. |
| [20:47:00] | dev-: | try googling for someone elses x config useing a 350 |
| [20:47:00] | dev-: | use it as a reference |
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| [20:47:00] | a1fa|64: | xv? |
| [20:47:00] | a1fa|64: | http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00105dg.jpg |
| [20:48:00] | sphing: | a1fa: are you trying to watch tv from vnc? |
| [20:48:00] | dev-: | stop pasting links to stupid pictures ;/ |
| [20:48:00] | a1fa|64: | yeah |
| [20:48:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | video would be dog-slow over vnc. |
| [20:48:00] | dev-: | if it even worked at all |
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| [20:48:00] | a1fa|64: | it didnt |
| [20:48:00] | sphing: | a1fa: why would you want to do that? |
| [20:48:00] | a1fa|64: | i am playing with this pos system |
| [20:49:00] | a1fa|64: | i want to put it by my shiter |
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| [20:49:00] | a1fa|64: | so i can watch tv while i am pooping |
| [20:49:00] | Juski: | omfg.. lol |
| [20:49:00] | dev-: | use a laptop |
| [20:49:00] | dev-: | works great |
| [20:49:00] | sphing: | or mirrors |
| [20:49:00] | a1fa|64: | i use mirrors when i check for hemaroids |
| [20:49:00] | a1fa|64: | jk |
| [20:49:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | it should work, but only for testing purposes, it's too slow for normal use., you can test by running "NO_XV=1 mythfrontend" |
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| [20:49:00] | a1fa|64: | export NO_XV |
| [20:49:00] | sphing: | i dont get it.... you want vnc for watching livetv... why just use the machine you were going to use for vnc as a frontend? |
| [20:49:00] | a1fa|64: | ? |
| [20:50:00] | a1fa|64: | everything is working fine |
| [20:50:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | no need to export if you put it on the line like I posted abd you're using bash |
| [20:50:00] | sphing: | btw... you know myth pauses right? |
| [20:50:00] | a1fa|64: | lets see if this works |
| [20:51:00] | a1fa|64: | i xported NO_XV=1 |
| [20:51:00] | a1fa|64: | lets see if it work |
| [20:51:00] | Juski: | wtf is it with bot-netted PCs on NTL's network? |
| [20:52:00] | a1fa|64: | oh |
| [20:52:00] | a1fa|64: | wowo |
| [20:52:00] | a1fa|64: | it is laggy |
| [20:52:00] | eidolon: | wow, something's wonked with my visualizer plugin. |
| [20:52:00] | eidolon: | it regularly locks up mythfrontend :( |
| [20:52:00] | Juski: | visualizer.. pray tell :) |
| [20:53:00] | eidolon: | dunno. just dies :( this time i had a ? in my visualizer box in mythmusic, hit '4' to go to full screen, and it cleared... then no keyboard response at all. |
| [20:53:00] | a1fa|64: | woot |
| [20:53:00] | eidolon: | (music kept playing though :) |
| [20:53:00] | eidolon: | last time this happened it finished the current song then stopped. |
| [20:54:00] | a1fa|64: | wow |
| [20:54:00] | a1fa|64: | i have LiveTV via VNC |
| [20:54:00] | a1fa|64: | hehe |
| [20:54:00] | Juski: | ah. I thought you meant you were developing a plugin |
| [20:54:00] | eidolon: | that's just too painful. |
| [20:54:00] | eidolon: | Juski: nuh uh, sorry. |
| [20:54:00] | eidolon: | hmm. |
| [20:55:00] | ** eidolon still wishes he could run mythtvfrontend from -here- (laptop) and control the myth box over *points* there, displaying on the screen *points* over there. ** | |
| [20:55:00] | eidolon: | i don't have lirc working. |
| [20:56:00] | dev-: | so get it working |
| [20:56:00] | dev-: | its easy ;p |
| [20:56:00] | dev-: | took more time to type out that emot than it would to get it working i bet |
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| [20:57:00] | eidolon: | my understanding it requires download, compile, kernel rebuild and redeploy. |
| [20:57:00] | eidolon: | since i'm running from knoppmyth, that would be a wide departure from my current setup :) |
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| [20:57:00] | dev-: | dunno on knoppmyth |
| [20:57:00] | dev-: | on a regular box its easy heh |
| [20:58:00] | eidolon: | yah, i suspect at some point I'll need to switch over completely to a buildable version. since knoppmyth (the distro i'm using) has a number of serious bugs in it. like, mythgame is broken, mythmusic won't rip, etc etc. |
| [20:58:00] | dev-: | plus it seems you're farely limited |
| [20:58:00] | dev-: | if you cant even recompile your kernel with some new modules ;p |
| [20:58:00] | robert`: | i have a leadtek winfast tv2000 xp deluxe... i can get mythtv to show the channels.. but they aren't clear.. they were clear when i tested in windows... anyone noticed this prob? i googled it but came back with no solution.. |
| [20:59:00] | dev-: | what does not clear mean? |
| [20:59:00] | dev-: | like, it works,but its fuzzy? |
| [20:59:00] | dev-: | or is it interlaced and you're watching it on your monitor |
| [20:59:00] | robert`: | a couple chans come in ok |
| [20:59:00] | robert`: | not good |
| [20:59:00] | robert`: | but ok |
| [20:59:00] | robert`: | but most are fuzzy/ static filled /etc |
| [21:00:00] | robert`: | salt and pepper on the screens a bit |
| [21:00:00] | dev-: | interesting, dunno how that would be os specific tho |
| [21:00:00] | dev-: | my first thought would be interlacing |
| [21:00:00] | robert`: | im wondering if its my device |
| [21:00:00] | robert`: | mainly seeing if anyone has tried it |
| [21:00:00] | robert`: | its designed for windows |
| [21:00:00] | robert`: | but it does sort of work in linux |
| [21:00:00] | robert`: | heh |
| [21:01:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | might not be using the right tuner module or frequency table. |
| [21:01:00] | robert`: | the weird thing is the mythtv config was correct |
| [21:01:00] | robert`: | all the options were fine |
| [21:01:00] | robert`: | it even popped my card up and everything |
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| [21:02:00] | a1fa|64: | how do you disable this ugly screensaver |
| [21:03:00] | eidolon: | dev-: (coming back to the kernel issue) – it's not that i can't. it's that i'm nervous about breaking the existing install :) |
| [21:04:00] | a1fa|64: | brb |
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| [21:04:00] | robert`: | i need to just buy a hauppage card |
| [21:04:00] | robert`: | =] |
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| [21:06:00] | fir3st0rm: | i get an error while compiling mythplugins can you help me? http://rafb.net/paste/results/k0G0hx12.html |
| [21:09:00] | eidolon: | Hmm. did you know mythmusic sounds better through your receiver when you're in STEREO mode rather than DOLBY PRO mode? *beats self senseless* |
| [21:09:00] | eidolon: | gonna be a long day. |
| [21:10:00] | fir3st0rm: | yeah |
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| [21:11:00] | eidolon: | hmm. mythmusic can't play remote streams yet, can it? |
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| [21:11:00] | robert`: | 01:07.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| [21:11:00] | robert`: | well |
| [21:11:00] | robert`: | its the bt one |
| [21:11:00] | robert`: | maybe it will work afterall? |
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| [21:19:00] | dev-: | anyone use a radeon9500+ svideo out? |
| [21:19:00] | dev-: | cant get this thing to display right.. |
| [21:19:00] | ** eidolon has no s-video at all :( ** | |
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| [21:30:00] | mace: | hi folks, i'm trying to set up mythweb, but keep getting a "database setup error" message – is there any way to debug this to see what the actual problem is? i'm running fairly recent svn, and apache2 |
| [21:31:00] | mace: | docs say about enabling mod_env, but apache2 doesn't appear to have any such module (on debian) |
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| [21:46:00] | Sean3899: | Howdy |
| [21:47:00] | Sean3899: | So I need a little help dealing with my overscan problem |
| [21:47:00] | Sean3899: | It involves an nvidia card, component out, and the use of Option "TVStandard" "HD1080i" |
| [21:49:00] | Sean3899: | I guess because of that option my choice in modelines is severely limited, and so I can't just whip one up that uses a smaller portion of the screen. Nor can I make one that uses 'doublescan' to rid myself of the flickering effects interlaced gets me. |
| [21:49:00] | Sean3899: | Any advice?? :) |
| [21:51:00] | poop: | Use dvi :) |
| [21:51:00] | Sean3899: | The TV doesn't have DVI inputs. :( |
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| [21:51:00] | poop: | ahh, not digital? |
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| [21:52:00] | Sean3899: | Nope! It's not that new. |
| [21:52:00] | poop: | I wouldn't mind having a video card that did component. |
| [21:53:00] | poop: | So does the display do 1080i natively or does it just accept 1080i and do 720p? |
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| [21:56:00] | Sean3899: | It does 1080i natively, and everything is great except the overscan problem. I just have to somehow shrink X down to use only a portion of the available resolution, so it fits better. |
| [21:56:00] | poop: | There are overscan settings in myth ... |
| [21:58:00] | Sean3899: | Yeah, I worked with those, the MythTV GUI fits perfectly now! But those settings aren't applied to mplayer and things. |
| [21:59:00] | poop: | ahh, yeah |
| [21:59:00] | Sean3899: | Think I can get tech support from nvidia regarding the subject? |
| [21:59:00] | poop: | Maybe there are userspace binaries to get the libraries that myth uses to do what you're after |
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| [22:00:00] | poop: | Sean: unlikely :) |
| [22:01:00] | poop: | Hey, waitaminute |
| [22:01:00] | poop: | nvidia-settings will let you tweak overscan and such |
| [22:02:00] | Sean3899: | Only with svideo-out :( |
| [22:02:00] | poop: | ahh, lame |
| [22:02:00] | Sean3899: | and composite too probably |
| [22:02:00] | poop: | vga and dvi too afaik |
| [22:04:00] | poop: | I could be wrong |
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| [22:07:00] | Sean3899: | I should have bought a vga-to-component converter. That would have made everything so much easier. |
| [22:07:00] | Sean3899: | But then I'd probably fry my TV with an invalid modeline. |
| [22:08:00] | poop: | Those aren't too much $ are they? |
| [22:08:00] | Sean3899: | Around 120 dollars. |
| [22:09:00] | Sean3899: | I just figured skipping over the conversion process would save some quality.. And since the videocard I bought was only 65 dollars... |
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| [22:10:00] | poop: | So when you run mplayer, you just want to crop a bit? |
| [22:11:00] | Sean3899: | Yeah :) |
| [22:11:00] | Boonie: | evening all |
| [22:11:00] | Sean3899: | The commandline confuses me though. |
| [22:12:00] | Sean3899: | Evening Boonie! |
| [22:12:00] | Boonie: | need some help with the mythtv database that I couldn't find in the manual |
| [22:12:00] | Boonie: | I need to delete it |
| [22:12:00] | Sean3899: | What database? |
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| [22:13:00] | Boonie: | but mysql will not let me eventhough I have the root pw |
| [22:13:00] | Boonie: | the mysql one |
| [22:13:00] | Boonie: | that mythtv uses |
| [22:13:00] | Sean3899: | Ah. I need to learn MySQL :) |
| [22:14:00] | poop: | Sean3899: What are you playing with mplayer? Most material wouldn't need cropping, right? |
| [22:14:00] | Boonie: | I know it's corrupt because I manually deleted entries outside of mythtv :-\ |
| [22:14:00] | poop: | Boonie: drop database mythconverg |
| [22:14:00] | Boonie: | any mysql gurus here? |
| [22:14:00] | Dagmar: | Whoa that's overill |
| [22:15:00] | Dibblah: | Hmmm... Has anyone seen issues with mythfilldatabase taking more than 256Mb? |
| [22:15:00] | poop: | Well, that's what he asked for |
| [22:15:00] | Dibblah: | Running it under valgrind, but nothing suspicious is appearing yet. |
| [22:16:00] | Sean3899: | poop: I'm playing all kinds of things, with varying aspect ratios. HDTV Broadcasts and old cartoons and things. |
| [22:17:00] | Boonie: | poop: I type that and it returns "->" like it's waiting for input |
| [22:19:00] | poop: | Sean: The problem isn't that mplayer is getting the aspect ratio wrong? |
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| [22:22:00] | Boonie: | any ideas? |
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| [22:23:00] | poop: | Boonie: heh: ";" |
| [22:23:00] | Boonie: | what will that do? |
| [22:23:00] | poop: | end the command line |
| [22:23:00] | Boonie: | how can I tell if I successfully deleted the database? |
| [22:23:00] | poop: | show databases |
| [22:24:00] | Boonie: | sry for all the questions, I"m new to linux |
| [22:24:00] | poop: | linux and mysql are completely different things |
| [22:24:00] | Boonie: | new to both then :-P |
| [22:24:00] | poop: | fair enough :) |
| [22:27:00] | Sean3899: | poop: No it's not. I stuck -monitoraspect 16:9 into the command. But as far as scaling goes, I tried a few things I found, "-vf scale" in particular, but nothing worked. |
| [22:27:00] | Boonie: | oops |
| [22:27:00] | poop: | mplayer has a lot of useful (and cryptic) options |
| [22:28:00] | Boonie: | looks like I just created a database with one row |
| [22:28:00] | Boonie: | lol |
| [22:28:00] | poop: | You'd have a row in a table |
| [22:28:00] | poop: | a table in a database |
| [22:28:00] | Boonie: | I am at the mysql prompt |
| [22:28:00] | poop: | Be careful |
| [22:29:00] | Boonie: | and when I type show database it kicks me down to "->" |
| [22:29:00] | dev-: | you need to end your state with a ; |
| [22:30:00] | dev-: | er, statement |
| [22:30:00] | Boonie: | it gives me error 1064 error in sql syntax |
| [22:30:00] | poop: | "show databases;" |
| [22:31:00] | dev-: | because its show databases not show database |
| [22:31:00] | Boonie: | ah-ha |
| [22:31:00] | Boonie: | better |
| [22:31:00] | dev-: | now you know your first mysql command :) |
| [22:32:00] | Boonie: | it shows me database in the top box and test in the bottom box |
| [22:32:00] | poop: | He already knows drop database |
| [22:32:00] | dev-: | oh my bad |
| [22:32:00] | Boonie: | heh |
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| [22:32:00] | poop: | I just hope he stops dropping |
| [22:32:00] | newevmsuser: | can anyone point me to an easy guide to install the packard bell remote for knoppmyth? or walk me through it... i'm stuck |
| [22:32:00] | dev-: | hehe |
| [22:32:00] | Boonie: | so that would lead me to believe that the myth database is gone correct? |
| [22:33:00] | poop: | no mythconverg, so it's gone |
| [22:33:00] | Boonie: | yeah |
| [22:33:00] | Boonie: | so, on to recreating it |
| [22:33:00] | Boonie: | :) |
| [22:33:00] | Boonie: | how do I tell myth to do that |
| [22:35:00] | poop: | RTFM |
| [22:36:00] | fir3st0rm: | hi |
| [22:37:00] | Dagmar: | www.mythtv.org, click on Documentation, look for section 6.2 |
| [22:37:00] | fir3st0rm: | someone knows if 0.18.1.20050523–1 is the correct version number of the 0.18.1 fixes? |
| [22:37:00] | Dagmar: | it tells you what little is required to recreate the tables on the database |
| [22:37:00] | dev-: | mythtv.org docs rule |
| [22:38:00] | dev-: | though i didnt have much luck finding docs on there about setting up a slave backend, though after juski said 3 things it showed how easy it was and im like DRRRRR |
| [22:38:00] | dev-: | :) |
| [22:38:00] | Boonie: | I"m running suse, which one of those commands would I run? |
| [22:39:00] | dev-: | the one that works for you would be a good start i think |
| [22:39:00] | dev-: | though, i wouldnt just arbitrarily type things in until one works.. |
| [22:39:00] | Boonie: | hence, my question :) |
| [22:39:00] | dev-: | out of curiousity, why did you blow away the db? |
| [22:39:00] | Boonie: | I corrupted it |
| [22:40:00] | Boonie: | by deleting recorded shows outside of mythtv |
| [22:40:00] | dev-: | heh do i even want to ask why |
| [22:40:00] | Boonie: | because my HD filled up and I couldn't boot into kde |
| [22:40:00] | Boonie: | all I had was command line |
| [22:40:00] | Boonie: | so I found the shows and wacked them |
| [22:41:00] | dev-: | heh... |
| [22:41:00] | Boonie: | probably not the best method |
| [22:41:00] | Boonie: | but it's fun getting my hands dirty |
| [22:41:00] | dev-: | then you dont want us ruining all your fun by giving you all the answers |
| [22:41:00] | Boonie: | as long as people are patient with me :) |
| [22:41:00] | dev-: | there's no fun in that |
| [22:41:00] | Boonie: | HA |
| [22:42:00] | Boonie: | touche |
| [22:42:00] | Boonie: | just talked myself out of help |
| [22:42:00] | dev-: | wish i knew about this channel the first time i setup myth |
| [22:42:00] | dev-: | wouldnt have taken 2 days :) |
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| [22:43:00] | Boonie: | took me 2 weeks to get this thing going |
| [22:43:00] | Boonie: | then another to break it :) |
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| [22:43:00] | squeegy: | using myth frontend on my mac mini results in the on screen menus to display partially off the screen, anyone know where i can change this?? |
| [22:43:00] | dev-: | you should look into installing mythweb.. incase something that happens in the future, it would be pretty easy to clear off enough space for apache for it to run. |
| [22:43:00] | DCG: | anyone using a bttv and ivtv card in the same machine? |
| [22:43:00] | dev-: | its a web interface into the program guide/etc/etc |
| [22:44:00] | Boonie: | yeah, I was trying to do that but I couldn't get it installed |
| [22:44:00] | poop: | feh |
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| [22:44:00] | Boonie: | the instructions I got with the app told me to do a qmake |
| [22:44:00] | DCG: | i keep getting crashes related to /dev/vbi1 and possibly some other device |
| [22:44:00] | dev-: | you dont make anything... mythweb is just a couple of shell and php scripts |
| [22:44:00] | Boonie: | but suse told me it didn't know what that was |
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| [22:45:00] | Boonie: | eventhough I have qt installed |
| [22:45:00] | Dagmar: | You kinda need Qt installed and in your PATH |
| [22:45:00] | Dagmar: | ...note the 'and'. |
| [22:45:00] | Boonie: | that might be my problem |
| [22:45:00] | Boonie: | how would one put it in their path |
| [22:45:00] | dev-: | for mythweb? hrmph i just remember there being a shell script that asked some paths for apache/docroot and thats it.. |
| [22:46:00] | dev-: | is there some new version i dont have? :)) |
| [22:46:00] | Dagmar: | Ask the #Suse people where they stick it |
| [22:46:00] | Boonie: | k |
| [22:46:00] | Boonie: | but I won't ask them quite like that :-P |
| [22:47:00] | simon_c: | Boonie, what you looking for ? |
| [22:47:00] | simon_c: | Ahh. qmake ? |
| [22:47:00] | Boonie: | simon_c: how to put qt in my path |
| [22:47:00] | Boonie: | I"m running suse |
| [22:47:00] | squeegy: | the actual tv looks fine on my mythtv frontend, however, the OSD is off the screen, can anyone help? |
| [22:47:00] | dev-: | im diving out the window now |
| [22:48:00] | simon_c: | PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin/qmake make .... |
| [22:48:00] | Sean3899: | poop: Thanks for the help, btw! |
| [22:48:00] | Boonie: | too much newbness for you dev-? |
| [22:48:00] | Boonie: | :) |
| [22:49:00] | Dagmar: | wha the hell |
| [22:49:00] | Boonie: | simon_c: I would type that in a console session or do I have to edit a file? |
| [22:49:00] | Dagmar: | *Directories* go into the PATH, not binaries |
| [22:49:00] | simon_c: | sorry. |
| [22:49:00] | simon_c: | PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin make .... |
| [22:49:00] | simon_c: | Doh! |
| [22:50:00] | Dagmar: | *hem* `export PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin` |
| [22:50:00] | Dagmar: | Much simpler than typing it over and over again |
| [22:50:00] | poop: | I need to get a new OS X front-end. |
| [22:51:00] | simon_c: | true. <shrug> |
| [22:51:00] | poop: | But first to make the back-end work! |
| [22:51:00] | Boonie: | k, no errors |
| [22:51:00] | Boonie: | thanks guys :) |
| [22:52:00] | Boonie: | now, to recreate the database |
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| [22:52:00] | squeegy: | poop: i just got my mac mini working as a frontend |
| [22:53:00] | squeegy: | except the OSD is displaying partially off of the screen... |
| [22:53:00] | dev-: | the default osd sucks |
| [22:53:00] | dev-: | (no offense if whoever made it is in here) |
| [22:53:00] | dev-: | hehe |
| [22:53:00] | bigslam: | fuck |
| [22:53:00] | squeegy: | dev-: do you have any recommendations? |
| [22:53:00] | dev-: | shoot i cant remember what i set all mine to. |
| [22:53:00] | dev-: | transval.... something maybe? |
| [22:54:00] | dev-: | help me out here someone? |
| [22:54:00] | dev-: | its blue and pretty and translucent |
| [22:54:00] | dev-: | ok ok i'll friggin look ;p |
| [22:54:00] | squeegy: | hmm i'll have to look |
| [22:55:00] | fir3st0rm: | hi |
| [22:55:00] | fir3st0rm: | i'm about to download the latest svn |
| [22:55:00] | dev-: | titivillus |
| [22:55:00] | fir3st0rm: | is there anything i should care about? |
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| [22:55:00] | squeegy: | dev-: checking it out. |
| [22:56:00] | r10: | can use another databasen insted of mysql ? |
| [22:57:00] | fir3st0rm: | i heard that livetv is disabled in latest svn is that true? |
| [22:57:00] | Juski: | no it's a big fat lie designed to put noobs off using it |
| [22:58:00] | Juski: | if you wanna be using svn you should **really** subscribe to the dev list |
| [22:58:00] | Juski: | keep up to date with all the erm.. developments ;) |
| [22:58:00] | poop: | ieee1394: Error parsing configrom for node 0–01:1023 <-- is that fatal? |
| [22:58:00] | fir3st0rm: | hum ok |
| [22:59:00] | Juski: | so yes, livetv is disabled in svn.. or at least it was last time I looked |
| [23:00:00] | fir3st0rm: | for the moment i just want to get mythgame and xmame working |
| [23:02:00] | squeegy: | gah! why do my menus go off of the screen? |
| [23:02:00] | squeegy: | i cannot figure this out :/ |
| [23:02:00] | dev-: | try changing the font size yet? |
| [23:02:00] | squeegy: | no |
| [23:02:00] | squeegy: | if it gets any samller i couldn't see it |
| [23:03:00] | dev-: | i know i set mine a little bit lower than defaults. didnt change the overall size by that much tho |
| [23:03:00] | squeegy: | tv fits perfectly fine, it's just everything else is off screen |
| [23:04:00] | squeegy: | it works fine on my backend/frontend box, but my os x frontend doesn't... |
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| [23:06:00] | DCG: | there a good distro currently for installing mythtv automatically? |
| [23:07:00] | DCG: | last i checked knoppmyth was installing some random cvs build |
| [23:07:00] | Dagmar: | That pretty well sums it up |
| [23:07:00] | Dagmar: | I bet they actually try and boot the next one before they release it. ;) |
| [23:07:00] | Dagmar: | 5a22 was pretty much fried |
| [23:08:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: It's not very hard to build. |
| [23:08:00] | DCG: | yea i know |
| [23:08:00] | DCG: | but i like having something stable and tested |
| [23:08:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: So long as you have something with a reasonably full KDE installation on it you're good to go |
| [23:08:00] | fir3st0rm: | DCG: fedora |
| [23:08:00] | Dagmar: | THen use the stable release tarball |
| [23:08:00] | DCG: | right now i'm running gentoo but have frequent crashes of mythbackend |
| [23:09:00] | DCG: | usually with some error about vbi |
| [23:09:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: ivtv driver? |
| [23:09:00] | DCG: | ivtv + bttv |
| [23:09:00] | bigslam: | 051119 18:05:30 [ERROR] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Can't find file: './mysql/host.frm' (errno: 13) |
| [23:09:00] | DCG: | ivtv 0.4.0 iirc |
| [23:09:00] | Dagmar: | The vbi thing is normal because ivtv can't do it et |
| [23:09:00] | bigslam: | how do i fix that? |
| [23:09:00] | DCG: | well mythbackend hard crashes after trying to access the vbi |
| [23:09:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: Do you have the pre-emptive kernel locks enabled in your kernel? |
| [23:09:00] | DCG: | and afaik ivtv 0.4.0 has vbi |
| [23:09:00] | DCG: | Dagmar: yes |
| [23:10:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: Not on most of the PVR cards it doesn't |
| [23:10:00] | Dagmar: | it definitely doesn't have it with the PVR-500 |
| [23:10:00] | DCG: | hrm |
| [23:10:00] | DCG: | i'll have to try it |
| [23:10:00] | DCG: | also the ivtv-detect segfaults on me |
| [23:10:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: TURN THEM OFF |
| [23:10:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: The pre-emptive kernel locking and ivtv just *don't* play well together |
| [23:10:00] | dev-: | segfaulted on me too, but modprobe worked fine and dmesg showed ivtv working. |
| [23:11:00] | DCG: | Dagmar: preempt the big kernel lock off, or preemptable kernel as a whole off? |
| [23:11:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: You were lucky you were only getting hard crashes. I was getting spontaneous reboots |
| [23:11:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [23:11:00] | DCG: | well i had no trouble before with it on when i only had the bttv card |
| [23:11:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: Turn off that section. You don't need to try to make the kernel spry and zippy as a workstation to use Myth |
| [23:11:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: Yeah, it's the ivtv driver |
| [23:11:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [23:11:00] | Dagmar: | I got VERY alarmed about it |
| [23:12:00] | DCG: | No Forced Preemption? |
| [23:13:00] | Dagmar: | That whole section that's new to 2.6, just leave that off |
| [23:13:00] | Dagmar: | I dont' know for sure if it's just the big lock or the whole section, but I killed it off and the problem went away |
| [23:13:00] | DCG: | before this go around i nearly blew up cause nvidia-kernel refused to install since i didnt have mtrr enabled (it isnt supported in a xen domU) |
| [23:13:00] | Dagmar: | Up until then I hadn't had a desktop crash on Linux in about, oh, four or five years at least |
| [23:13:00] | Dagmar: | The last two before that were bad RAM |
| [23:13:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [23:14:00] | Dagmar: | Suddenly I was having it happen three times a day, but only when the backend was active |
| [23:14:00] | DCG: | i've had plenty of bad crashes in linux |
| [23:14:00] | Dagmar: | Freaked me out |
| [23:14:00] | DCG: | mainly 3dfx, ati, and nvidia to blame for them |
| [23:14:00] | Dagmar: | I've been doing Linux for over 10 years now |
| [23:14:00] | Dagmar: | Computers themselves and in general for >20 |
| [23:14:00] | DCG: | it got to the point where i had sync run before X started, and before and after and opengl app ran |
| [23:14:00] | Dagmar: | My stuff typically *never* crashes |
| [23:15:00] | Dagmar: | I went through about the last seven months of the ivtv mailing lists |
| [23:15:00] | Dagmar: | ...practically in a panic the whole time. Heh |
| [23:15:00] | DCG: | funny thing is i can't remember the last time i had windows xp blue screen, though i do remember it was 3dfx's fault. |
| [23:15:00] | DCG: | or ati's |
| [23:15:00] | DCG: | i forget |
| [23:15:00] | Dagmar: | Mine doens't blue screen anymore, it just blatantly kills and restarts explorer.exe |
| [23:15:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [23:15:00] | DCG: | yea, that happens here too |
| [23:16:00] | Dagmar: | That's something they added to basically avoid having to show you a blue screen |
| [23:16:00] | Dagmar: | Ya gotta love that |
| [23:16:00] | DCG: | and ff 1.5rc3 is making me angry, scroll with keyboard wont work, search wont work, history is broken |
| [23:16:00] | Dagmar: | Well, it's not release yet |
| [23:16:00] | DCG: | yea |
| [23:16:00] | DCG: | it didnt ask me if i wanted to upgrade |
| [23:17:00] | DCG: | it just installed itself over rc2 |
| [23:17:00] | DCG: | which was working great |
| [23:17:00] | Dagmar: | I'll have no real problem staying with 1.0.x if they're tossing out features people use |
| [23:17:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: That's a little agressive of them, but they do need testers |
| [23:17:00] | DCG: | by default they have autoupdates enabled with no prompting |
| [23:17:00] | Dagmar: | ...and you know they're probably certainly aware of those bugs with the feedback agents running |
| [23:18:00] | DCG: | you just get a dialog saying "firefox has installed an update: firefox 1.5 please restart firefox" |
| [23:18:00] | Dagmar: | DCG: Yes, it's Windows |
| [23:18:00] | Dagmar: | Probably the best thing you can do for any Windows user is to turn on automatic installation of updates through WindowsUpdate |
| [23:18:00] | DCG: | for a second i thought maybe it was 1.5 final, since it didnt list an rc number |
| [23:18:00] | Dagmar: | Mozilla is an app that those same people should also get automatic updates for |
| [23:18:00] | DCG: | Dagmar: uhm, firefox, not windows. |
| [23:18:00] | DCG: | bah |
| [23:18:00] | DCG: | windows doesnt need updates |
| [23:18:00] | Dagmar: | Yes, it does. |
| [23:19:00] | Dagmar: | OMG it does |
| [23:19:00] | DCG: | microsoft can't even fix a bug thats been in IE from the first version that had javascript DOM and image maps |
| [23:19:00] | Dagmar: | If Microsoft weren't trying to hide the numbers by having monthly megapatches, you'd still be seeing critical exploitables being patched every two weeks |
| [23:19:00] | DCG: | change the image map on an image to one with fewer areas, instant overflow & crash |
| [23:20:00] | DCG: | i should do that to all my users's homepages to force them to use firefox. |
| [23:21:00] | Krazylegz: | DCG: Then they'll never see your website? |
| [23:21:00] | DCG: | no. |
| [23:21:00] | DCG: | my users |
| [23:21:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh. I misread that. |
| [23:21:00] | DCG: | as in local n00bs i have to beat with sticks. |
| [23:21:00] | Dagmar: | I just settled for a directive in my webserver giving 404's for everything asked for by IE |
| [23:21:00] | DCG: | nice |
| [23:21:00] | fir3st0rm: | 90% of the people would neversee your page |
| [23:21:00] | Dagmar: | I'm a big fan of the Minimum Necessary Change |
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| [23:22:00] | DCG: | its frigtening for a class i took in college i had to design a page using ie only features. |
| [23:22:00] | Dagmar: | fir3st0rm: 90% of them wouldn't have time to look at it because it contains no pornography. |
| [23:22:00] | Dagmar: | 8% of the rest woudln't understand it anyway |
| [23:22:00] | fir3st0rm: | lol yeah |
| [23:23:00] | Dagmar: | I mean, c'mon, why does KDE have tabs you can go between with the scroll wheel anyway? |
| [23:23:00] | Dagmar: | Porn. |
| [23:23:00] | DCG: | yup. |
| [23:23:00] | DCG: | its a boss key your right hand is already on. |
| [23:24:00] | DCG: | (lefties be damned) |
| [23:24:00] | Dagmar: | I really and truly used to get regular emails containing the phrase "I would have loved to finish reading your website, but it had too many words on it" |
| [23:24:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [23:25:00] | Dagmar: | Sometimes it would make me want to cry |
| [23:25:00] | DCG: | i've gotten them that said i had too many pictures and my site took them so long to load their isp dumped their modem connection |
| [23:29:00] | DCG: | the one i loved was an email from showtime "A user at your ip address is sharing the following copyrighted files: Dead Like Me – Season 1.txt (Dead Like Me – Video)" |
| [23:30:00] | DCG: | amazing compression i musta had to fit an entire season of video into a 4kb text file |
| [23:30:00] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [23:30:00] | fir3st0rm: | you could make these emails public |
| [23:31:00] | DCG: | if i still had them, yes. |
| [23:31:00] | fir3st0rm: | a new category for your page |
| [23:31:00] | fir3st0rm: | "10 most stupid e-mails of the month" |
| [23:31:00] | DCG: | nah, i tend not to get many emails of note |
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| [23:32:00] | DCG: | mainly "hey, can you release a new version of ..." and "why is my quota dropped to 4mb?" |
| [23:32:00] | fir3st0rm: | lol |
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| [23:33:00] | fir3st0rm: | wow finally mythtv is compiled |
| [23:33:00] | DCG: | the ones asking for new versions of some software i wrote usually get a note back quoting sega "Dreamcast is Dead. RIP" |
| [23:34:00] | fir3st0rm: | you wrote a dc emulator? |
| [23:34:00] | DCG: | no |
| [23:34:00] | DCG: | i wrote a menu system, ported doom, and helped port wolf3d |
| [23:34:00] | DCG: | mainly ppl want new versions of the menu system |
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| [23:35:00] | DCG: | i'd say 50% or more of the burned homebrew software for dreamcast is on a disc with my menu |
| [23:35:00] | fir3st0rm: | you converted some software to run on dc? |
| [23:35:00] | fir3st0rm: | ah ok |
| [23:36:00] | DCG: | one of my major areas of expertise is menu systems for game consoles. |
| [23:36:00] | DCG: | i've done dreamcast, xbox, gba, psp |
| [23:37:00] | DCG: | but that has nothing to do with mythtv |
| [23:37:00] | eidolon: | hmm. can i, from the command line, determine if my vga card in this machine is PCI or AGP? |
| [23:37:00] | eidolon: | i need to order a new MX4000 nVidia card. |
| [23:37:00] | DCG: | eidolon: lspci | grep AGP |
| [23:37:00] | eidolon: | 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller (rev 03) |
| [23:38:00] | DCG: | then look for a vga card on 01:??.? when you run lspci | grep VGA |
| [23:38:00] | eidolon: | DOH! wait. wrong machine |
| [23:39:00] | DCG: | usually on a machine with AGP 01:00.0 is your video card if its agp. |
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| [23:39:00] | eidolon: | 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP) |
| [23:39:00] | eidolon: | and |
| [23:39:00] | eidolon: | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15) |
| [23:39:00] | eidolon: | looks good. |
| [23:39:00] | eidolon: | so that's most likely an AGP nVidia board, si? |
| [23:39:00] | DCG: | yes |
| [23:40:00] | DCG: | NV6 what board is that? |
| [23:40:00] | eidolon: | excellent. |
| [23:40:00] | eidolon: | erm... |
| [23:40:00] | DCG: | thats gotta be ancient |
| [23:40:00] | eidolon: | it is :) |
| [23:40:00] | DCG: | cause oldest i have is NV1x |
| [23:40:00] | eidolon: | this mobo and video were assembled when Athlon XP 1400 was top of the line. |
| [23:41:00] | eidolon: | i recycled it to be my myth box, but i need svideo out, which that board doens't have. so i'm orering a replacement card. |
| [23:41:00] | DCG: | want some other ancient video cards? i have a stack of S3 virge/DX with 4MB here |
| [23:41:00] | eidolon: | nuh uh. i can get a 4000 for $25. and i -know- myth likes that :) |
| [23:42:00] | DCG: | yea, these dont have svideo out |
| [23:42:00] | DCG: | just single VGA |
| [23:42:00] | eidolon: | right. i have thta :) but i have a big honkin composite video monitor. |
| [23:42:00] | DCG: | used 5 of em once for xinerama |
| [23:42:00] | eidolon: | cool. |
| [23:42:00] | DCG: | crazy cause now i've got 6 heads on my a64 with pci-e |
| [23:42:00] | eidolon: | hah. |
| [23:43:00] | eidolon: | my primary work machine is my T40 laptop. no multidosplay there. but i ave an Xp box next to it, and i just x2vnc to share screenspace |
| [23:43:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [23:43:00] | DCG: | you can always use DualHead2Go from matrox |
| [23:43:00] | eidolon: | http://planet-geek.com/archives/001936.html |
| [23:44:00] | DCG: | i'm tempted to get one so i can have my games work with a single renderer accross all 4 of my main monitors |
| [23:44:00] | eidolon: | that's my workspace. (with some fun with making 'transparent' images) |
| [23:46:00] | DCG: | http://www.xboxopensource.com/upload/NHD/dcp_1188.jpg <- thats part of my current setup |
| [23:46:00] | eidolon: | a little dark :) |
| [23:46:00] | DCG: | yea |
| [23:47:00] | eidolon: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814145080R |
| [23:47:00] | eidolon: | voila. geforce nvidia agp card with s-video out. $25. can't argue with that. |
| [23:48:00] | DCG: | bah, should be free. |
| [23:48:00] | DCG: | friend of mine got 4 cx88 cards free from compusa cause their ad got misprinted |
| [23:48:00] | eidolon: | i'm old sk00l. if it was made in the last 4 years, it's fine :) |
| [23:49:00] | DCG: | it said something like "others price: $40 our price: $20 -$20 instant rebate" |
| [23:49:00] | eidolon: | hah |
| [23:49:00] | DCG: | he argued with them and got the cards free |
| [23:50:00] | DCG: | http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . mp;pfp=srch1 |
| [23:50:00] | DCG: | that one |
| [23:50:00] | eidolon: | man, just blows me away. 6' s-video patch cable on newegg. $3.99. 6' cable at best buy? $19.99 |
| [23:50:00] | DCG: | it says 50% off and $20 instant savings |
| [23:50:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [23:50:00] | eidolon: | wow. |
| [23:50:00] | eidolon: | cept it's norwood micro. don't they make crap cards? |
| [23:50:00] | DCG: | i believe so |
| [23:50:00] | eidolon: | -man- i gotta get lirc working. |
| [23:50:00] | DCG: | he had 1 of the same card already |
| [23:51:00] | DCG: | i think he was gonna sell the remotes on ebay |
| [23:51:00] | DCG: | if i go back and buy more pvr150s i'll be doing that |
| [23:51:00] | eidolon: | mythtv needs a remote 'client' interface... i know it's been burbling around. mtfed or something like that. |
| [23:51:00] | eidolon: | why are you buying lots of pvr150s? |
| [23:52:00] | DCG: | to replace the bttv card i've got now |
| [23:52:00] | DCG: | and they are decent price at bestbuy |
| [23:52:00] | eidolon: | ya, i noticed that. $89 or something like that. |
| [23:52:00] | DCG: | yep |
| [23:52:00] | eidolon: | i have the pvr150 w/ remote. but knoppmyth didn't come up happy with it, so i'm sorta stuck. |
| [23:53:00] | DCG: | i got the 150mce kit w/ usb remote |
| [23:53:00] | DCG: | so i can sell the remotes on ebay for the extra cards :) |
| [23:53:00] | eidolon: | heh |
| [23:53:00] | eidolon: | *sigh* so much to learn :) |
| [23:53:00] | DCG: | $40 going price on ebay |
| [23:54:00] | eidolon: | i'm ecstatic with what's working now. recording. livetv w/ringbuffer support, etc etc. mythmusic is working 'mostly'. next is the video to the big tv, then after that... mythgame. |
| [23:54:00] | DCG: | yea |
| [23:54:00] | eidolon: | knoppmyth broke mythgame badly. |
| [23:54:00] | ** eidolon is not looking forward to that morass. ** | |
| [23:55:00] | DCG: | i'd love to see 2 features in mythtv: using a vcr for a last-resort conflict resolution, and something akin to sony's locationfreetv |
| [23:56:00] | eidolon: | dunno what that is. |
| [23:56:00] | ** eidolon submits the order to newegg. ** | |
| [23:56:00] | DCG: | i'd love to be able to use my dvr's remote on my mythfrontend box and access all the menus and everything remotely |
| [23:56:00] | Netslayer: | anyone here have a remove wonder? how well do they work? |
| [23:56:00] | Netslayer: | remote wonder (ati) |
| [23:56:00] | ** eidolon nods. ** | |
| [23:56:00] | fir3st0rm: | where are files moved to after deleting them from .trash? |
| [23:56:00] | eidolon: | Netslayer: my understanding is stick with nvidia. |
| [23:57:00] | eidolon: | as i was just saying, the cards are dirt cheap. |
| [23:57:00] | Netslayer: | eidolon, this is a remote not a video card |
| [23:57:00] | eidolon: | oh oh. sorry. |
| [23:57:00] | Netslayer: | heh |
| [23:57:00] | DCG: | the vcr thing is, if you have too many shows for your encoders to handle, you have a backup encoder that records the show ontime to tape (under ir control from mythtv) and then later plays it back when the encoders are all free |
| [23:57:00] | DCG: | so you loose some quality, but you still get the recording |
| [23:58:00] | eidolon: | my wishlist: mythfront end decoupled from mfe display. so i can run a 'controller' on my laptop to control the myth box on the other side of the network. 2) more stability :-/ 3) hdtv!!! 4) better docs |
| [23:58:00] | eidolon: | oh |
| [23:58:00] | fir3st0rm: | i've deleted some files with 500mb from .trash but they still take disk space |
| [23:58:00] | eidolon: | 5) MFE on a secondary display. like a 7" VGA display nex tto your display system that runs the MFE for 'current track / status / information' while the vid is playing. |
| [23:58:00] | DCG: | yea |
| [23:59:00] | eidolon: | DCG: interesting. i have -very- little recording traffic going. |
| [23:59:00] | DCG: | thats something i want too |
| [23:59:00] | eidolon: | folks have talked about a remote client for MFE |
| [23:59:00] | DCG: | so i can use vnc on my psp as a full remote for mythtv |
| [23:59:00] | eidolon: | i saw something on it in the developer threads – there's a remote api daemon for it? |
| [23:59:00] | eidolon: | would be easy to use. |
| [23:59:00] | eidolon: | yes! |
| [23:59:00] | eidolon: | exactly. |
| [23:59:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [23:59:00] | eidolon: | cept i don't have a psp. but i'd use my laptop :) |
| [23:59:00] | DCG: | i also happen to be the person behind vnc for the psp. |
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