| Tuesday, November 15th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | Juski: | not with my capture card anyway |
| [00:00:00] | tremendous: | i don't even have a capture card yet. that's yet to come |
| [00:00:00] | Juski: | and I was already sold on mythtv from the start ;) |
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| [00:00:00] | Juski: | so hang on – this is just for a jukebox & video player for now? |
| [00:00:00] | tremendous: | yup! |
| [00:01:00] | Juski: | all in one box kinda thing? |
| [00:01:00] | tremendous: | yeah, pulling mp3s and xvids from the network |
| [00:01:00] | tremendous: | and playing dvds hopefully |
| [00:01:00] | Juski: | heard of mediaportal? |
| [00:02:00] | tremendous: | nope |
| [00:02:00] | tremendous: | what's that |
| [00:02:00] | Juski: | open source media thingy similar to mythtv but running on top of M$ |
| [00:02:00] | tremendous: | it beats mce? |
| [00:02:00] | Juski: | http://mediaportal.sourceforge.net/ |
| [00:02:00] | Juski: | it's free |
| [00:03:00] | Juski: | supports umpteen tuners... (unlike MCE) |
| [00:03:00] | tremendous: | i'd heard mce has good support for tuners, maybe i heard wrong |
| [00:03:00] | Juski: | only snag with it – and it's a biggee IMHO... it works under .NET.. and it can be slow as hell if you're unlucky |
| [00:04:00] | tremendous: | i see |
| [00:04:00] | tremendous: | well this is a meaty computer i've built |
| [00:04:00] | Juski: | tremendous: by that I meant it doesn't just support MCE's maximum total of three tuners |
| [00:04:00] | tremendous: | ohh i see |
| [00:04:00] | Juski: | (2 standard & one hi-def) |
| [00:04:00] | tremendous: | well i'm in a really small case, can only fit one card in it |
| [00:04:00] | Juski: | let me guess... |
| [00:04:00] | tremendous: | i'm in the uk so no hdtv for years and years |
| [00:05:00] | tremendous: | yes |
| [00:05:00] | Juski: | yeh... one of them ickle shuttle thingies |
| [00:05:00] | tremendous: | oh no actually |
| [00:05:00] | tremendous: | hiper media chassis |
| [00:05:00] | Juski: | fuck! |
| [00:05:00] | Juski: | good luck keepin that fella cool! |
| [00:05:00] | Juski: | ;) |
| [00:05:00] | tremendous: | nah so far it's been awesome |
| [00:06:00] | tremendous: | the cpu just doesn't seem to heat up at all |
| [00:06:00] | tremendous: | hdd gets hot, but i think it's still ok |
| [00:06:00] | Juski: | and btw.. you not seen how the bbc are gonna be doing hd trials soon? |
| [00:06:00] | Juski: | a quick note about HDDs & heat: |
| [00:06:00] | tremendous: | no i didn't know that |
| [00:07:00] | Juski: | every 5 degrees C over their rated max. temp.. shave 50% off its lifetime |
| [00:07:00] | tremendous: | the rated max was... i noted it down... |
| [00:07:00] | Juski: | anyway.. back on subject... |
| [00:07:00] | tremendous: | 55 |
| [00:07:00] | tremendous: | it's not that hot |
| [00:08:00] | Juski: | goodo |
| [00:08:00] | tremendous: | it's upside down, in contact with the case |
| [00:08:00] | tremendous: | heat gets transferred away to a certain extent |
| [00:08:00] | Juski: | I recommend reinstalling with 32bit & giving that a go |
| [00:08:00] | tremendous: | man that really does not sound like fun |
| [00:08:00] | tremendous: | that'll be attempt 3 |
| [00:09:00] | tremendous: | why would the 64 bit arch be the problem though? |
| [00:09:00] | Juski: | how far away do you reckon you'll wanna use a tuner? |
| [00:09:00] | tremendous: | people get mythtv running on 64 bit |
| [00:09:00] | tremendous: | xmas maybe |
| [00:09:00] | Juski: | yeh and some don't |
| [00:09:00] | tremendous: | there's a dual head dvb-t one out recently, i'll probably look into that |
| [00:10:00] | Juski: | oh yeah that humax thing |
| [00:10:00] | tremendous: | i'll need to find a pci-e riser though, which won't be easy |
| [00:10:00] | tremendous: | um no it was called terratec or something |
| [00:10:00] | Juski: | probably not supported in linux anyway |
| [00:10:00] | tremendous: | not yet, but i imagine it would eventually |
| [00:10:00] | tremendous: | i think people have probably been waiting for a dual head freeview card |
| [00:11:00] | tremendous: | i have, at least |
| [00:11:00] | Juski: | imagine all you like... you know how hard it is getting data from chip manufacturers? |
| [00:11:00] | tremendous: | nope |
| [00:11:00] | Juski: | "just sign this NDA"... |
| [00:11:00] | tremendous: | i'm new to all this |
| [00:11:00] | tremendous: | why would they not want to increase their potential customer base though |
| [00:11:00] | Juski: | I've got a card that's been out almost 3 years... no full linux drivers for it yet |
| [00:12:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, because they don't want compeditors to use their R&D |
| [00:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | and they want to hide deficiencies in their hardware/drivers |
| [00:12:00] | tremendous: | yeah i guess that makes sense |
| [00:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | You would be suprised how often companies can't get their hardware to do what it is suppose to and compensate by "faking it" in the driver |
| [00:13:00] | tremendous: | haha this isn't making me any more keen staying in the linux world. it was scary enough already! |
| [00:14:00] | Juski: | this 64-bit malarkey is putting me off upgrading |
| [00:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | Why would tyhat scare you with relation to Linux? |
| [00:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | If anything is should scare you about closed source |
| [00:15:00] | Juski: | tremendous: I remember going from an Atari to Windows 3.1... I **hated** it |
| [00:15:00] | tremendous: | yeah closed source is anal, but basically i need a dual head dvb-t tuner. if there isn't going to be drivers for one for 3 years, which is how long Juski has been waiting, i'll be forced to go elsewhere :( |
| [00:15:00] | tremendous: | i really wanted to make this work too |
| [00:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | tremendous: You would be better off asking in #dvb, or even better on the dvb mailing list |
| [00:15:00] | Juski: | you know.. it's pretty easy to miss steps in the howto guides sometimes... I did the first couple of tries |
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| [00:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | if anyone would know the status they would |
| [00:16:00] | tremendous: | well that's not the only reason |
| [00:16:00] | tremendous: | i've just been frustrated for the last couple of weeks |
| [00:16:00] | Juski: | or just do what I've done... have a hulking server in another room ;) |
| [00:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: My backends zare in the machine room in the basement :) |
| [00:17:00] | Juski: | btw GreyFoxx... been meaning to ask you.. (impatient guy that I am..)... that theming stuff you were doing with PM3.. how far did you go? |
| [00:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | *shrug* up until I hit some roadblocks with stuff I wanted to do that wasn't supported in the ui/themes |
| [00:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | so I stopped until mythui and more theme stuff is done |
| [00:19:00] | tremendous: | any of you lot willing to have a look on vnc? there's gotta be some way to fix this :( |
| [00:19:00] | Juski: | I've got the bones of a theme *based* on PM3 here now.. which more or less works with the mediacenter-style theme (with some fettling) |
| [00:19:00] | Juski: | I could have a look but I doubt I'd be able to see much |
| [00:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have acouple (like 3 or so) screenshots up, but they are nothing special. Most of the nifty stuff I wanted to do isn't supported with the myth theme model currently |
| [00:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | tremendous: What was your problem ? |
| [00:20:00] | Juski: | like juggling icons around in real-time? :D |
| [00:21:00] | tremendous: | frontend won't start |
| [00:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: No, exact icon/text placement, layered images and a few others |
| [00:21:00] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: frontend is segfaulting |
| [00:21:00] | Juski: | ahh |
| [00:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | tremendous: and it doesn't spit anything out to the console ? |
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| [00:22:00] | tremendous: | yeah a bit... http://pastebin.com/429737 |
| [00:22:00] | Juski: | I've hatched a plan to get around that, GreyFoxx.. layer it all in a graphics editor & cut the images up |
| [00:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | running Multiple X servers? |
| [00:24:00] | Juski: | I shoulda spotted that... looks like a vnc connection into the machine.. mine says that but just works anyway |
| [00:24:00] | tremendous: | is this directed at me? |
| [00:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | tremendous: Yes |
| [00:24:00] | tremendous: | haha oh |
| [00:25:00] | tremendous: | i don't really understand how it works, but a friend took me through starting vncserver |
| [00:25:00] | Juski: | does it do that when you're at the machine tho? |
| [00:25:00] | tremendous: | do what |
| [00:25:00] | Juski: | logged in in person... does it still crash |
| [00:25:00] | tremendous: | oh – yes it does |
| [00:25:00] | tremendous: | same errors |
| [00:26:00] | tremendous: | the user mythtv is logged in downstairs, and then somehow vncserver is running too, which i'm logged into from upstairs, and i see different things to the screen downstairs. all very confusing. |
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| [00:27:00] | tremendous: | Juski are you going to log in and have a look? i pm'd the details |
| [00:28:00] | Juski: | I don't get PMs |
| [00:28:00] | tremendous: | ah that'd be the problem |
| [00:28:00] | tremendous: | how do i let you know the details then |
| [00:28:00] | Juski: | tremendous: with X you can run many different desktops ;) |
| [00:28:00] | tremendous: | yeah crazy beans! |
| [00:29:00] | Juski: | ok.. not promising anything tho |
| [00:29:00] | tremendous: | understood |
| [00:32:00] | Juski: | how's this look then? http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/mayhemtheme.png (just a mock-up for now btw) |
| [00:33:00] | Juski: | tremendous: you got PM |
| [00:33:00] | tremendous: | i think you may still be blocking incoming Juski – have you had anything from me at all? |
| [00:33:00] | Juski: | nope |
| [00:33:00] | jams: | tremendous, you need to register your nick |
| [00:34:00] | Krazylegz: | Juski: Nice. |
| [00:34:00] | jams: | and login |
| [00:34:00] | tremendous: | bah new irc servers... ok |
| [00:35:00] | Juski: | 30 layers, that image.. all ready so I can set some to visible & get pre-faded watermark images from it |
| [00:35:00] | tremendous: | oh i must have been here before |
| [00:41:00] | Juski: | nah well.. even mythfrontend --verbose all doesn't give any more away... just bang! frontend starts then segfaults.. |
| [00:41:00] | tremendous: | :( |
| [00:41:00] | tremendous: | could it be graphics drivers? |
| [00:42:00] | Juski: | kinda hard to say that without seeing more debug info |
| [00:42:00] | Juski: | try knoppmyth... |
| [00:42:00] | tremendous: | before the last time i wiped i had made a bit more progress with graphics – this time xvid playback in mplayer is slow. i can't remember how i got it smooth before though :\ |
| [00:42:00] | Juski: | or 32 bits... |
| [00:42:00] | tremendous: | think i should? maybe i will |
| [00:43:00] | tremendous: | knoppmyth more likely |
| [00:43:00] | Juski: | then if it works you know there's an underlying 64-bit (ish) issue |
| [00:43:00] | tremendous: | i paid extra money for 64 bit – i want to use them! |
| [00:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: The mockup looks good. I had basically the same thing but unfortunately getting the red led to line up exactly where I wanted it wasn't so simple. Which is where I stopped :) |
| [00:43:00] | Juski: | only linux users & privileged few can |
| [00:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've got a couple screenshots here: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/theme/ but nothing on the main menus |
| [00:44:00] | Juski: | yeh GreyFoxx I saw them... look good |
| [00:44:00] | Juski: | I've even tried this mockup on a TV to make sure there's no nasty interlace flicker ;) |
| [00:44:00] | tremendous: | aarrgh i'm so jealous – i want myth working! haha |
| [00:45:00] | tremendous: | haha comedy, links, movies, porn, torrents, tv |
| [00:45:00] | Servo888: | Ok... I hit watch tv, the video streams for about a second or two, then freezes, then goes back to the mythtv main screen... What gives? |
| [00:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | tremendous: Everyone picks up on the "Porn" link |
| [00:45:00] | Juski: | mythpr0n... a new plugin, coming in version 1.0 |
| [00:46:00] | tremendous: | it looks unintentional, that's why ;) |
| [00:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | tremendous: It's neither intentional or unintentional. There is a Porn directory there, and I feel no need to hide it :) |
| [00:46:00] | Juski: | that'll upset the kind of person who asks why there's no 'ClearPlay(tm)' content filtering for DVDs & TV... |
| [00:46:00] | tremendous: | yeah that's fair |
| [00:47:00] | tremendous: | right tomorrow night i'm gonna do all i can to install ati drivers |
| [00:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've had some people tell me that I should do another screenshot without that dsirectory hehe |
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| [00:47:00] | Juski: | somebody actually asked that & I got yelled at for suggesting he censor what his kids watch with the OFF button |
| [00:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | now that is uptight if you can't even handle the word "Porn" :) |
| [00:47:00] | tremendous: | nah be proud! |
| [00:47:00] | Servo888: | "forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?" how is that done? |
| [00:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Servo888: In Mythtv-setup under input connections |
| [00:48:00] | Servo888: | ok |
| [00:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | where to tell myth what video source is coming in on what card/input |
| [00:49:00] | tremendous: | any of you got ati cards? there are linux drivers on their site, but the installation instrux are cryptic |
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| [00:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | tremendous: Most people avoid ATI cards under Linux as the drivers are poorly supported, rarely updated and often a pain to install |
| [00:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | Under Linux ATI = old n busted, Nvidia = new hotness |
| [00:50:00] | tremendous: | well i've found this out much too late |
| [00:50:00] | tremendous: | onboard – no room for expansion cards |
| [00:50:00] | Juski: | last thought about that mockup... could you guys stand so little colour in the menus? |
| [00:50:00] | tremendous: | i wouldn't use the black to be honest, i'd go blue |
| [00:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | Juski Looks fine. Exactly as I like it |
| [00:50:00] | Juski: | another blue-toned theme?! |
| [00:50:00] | splat1 is now known as splAt1 | |
| [00:51:00] | tremendous: | not "another" for me |
| [00:51:00] | tremendous: | since i haven't got the fucking thing running yet |
| [00:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | But I also want to be able to use the layered images so that I could dynamically chyange the underlying image |
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| [00:51:00] | Juski: | well seen as these are all just layers I can bang out technicolor versions |
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| [00:52:00] | Juski: | GreyFoxx... refresh the mockup... |
| [00:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | I liked it better the old way. |
| [00:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | but it's yours to edit as you please :) |
| [00:52:00] | Juski: | the rightmost red line is where I'm gonna snip the 'watermark' |
| [00:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [00:53:00] | Juski: | so when it gets drawn it already looks like it's layered |
| [00:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cool stuff |
| [00:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | I like the font used for the labels |
| [00:54:00] | tremendous: | how are myth themes made? |
| [00:54:00] | tremendous: | what sort of files i mean |
| [00:54:00] | ** GreyFoxx tried to pause a movie and realizes that he unloaded the module heh ** | |
| [00:54:00] | tremendous: | i assume it's not vector based? |
| [00:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | tremendous: xml |
| [00:54:00] | tremendous: | oh then it is? |
| [00:54:00] | Juski: | no not vectors |
| [00:54:00] | tremendous: | so just colours and images placed in cunning places |
| [00:54:00] | Juski: | GreyFoxx.. font is Tahoma.. is there a GNU equiv? |
| [00:55:00] | tremendous: | bitstream sans is well nice – use that |
| [00:55:00] | Juski: | is it free? |
| [00:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Not sure, but I really like the look of it |
| [00:55:00] | tremendous: | it came with my fc4 |
| [00:55:00] | ** Juski googles ** | |
| [00:55:00] | tremendous: | very very nice monospace version too |
| [00:55:00] | tremendous: | i can't stand courier any more |
| [00:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Looks like There are font packages for *nix that include Tahoma |
| [00:57:00] | Juski: | cool :) |
| [00:57:00] | tremendous: | bah |
| [00:57:00] | tremendous: | tahoma is overused |
| [00:58:00] | tremendous: | plus it's ms, i think |
| [00:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | So ? |
| [00:58:00] | Juski: | not in mythtv themes it aint |
| [00:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | Just cause it comes from MS doesn't make it inherently evil :) |
| [00:58:00] | Juski: | it was just a quick n dirty thing anyway.. mythtv will be writing on the screen |
| [00:58:00] | tremendous: | just thought you'd want to stay away |
| [00:58:00] | tremendous: | having said that ms georgia is a great font |
| [00:58:00] | tremendous: | and trebuchet too |
| [00:59:00] | Juski: | I love the font used in showshifter.. but there'll be no lifting that |
| [00:59:00] | ** GreyFoxx waits for this font package to finish downloading ** | |
| [00:59:00] | Juski: | (about ALL I love about SS mind you) |
| [01:00:00] | tremendous: | what's showshifter? |
| [01:00:00] | Juski: | oh god... |
| [01:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | another windows based pvr software |
| [01:01:00] | bfree_: | I got a plextor convertx today, trying to set it up with knoppmyth but having problems with the tuning.anyone here using one? with knoppmyth? PAL? |
| [01:01:00] | Juski: | SS is another reason I went to mythtv :) |
| [01:02:00] | tremendous: | is knoppmyth as fiddly as myth + fc4? |
| [01:03:00] | jams: | heh SS had such promise when it came out |
| [01:03:00] | Juski: | it's basically automated but asks a lot of questions, is knoppmyth |
| [01:04:00] | tremendous: | will it run without a capture card and remote |
| [01:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | One of these days I'll install knoppmyth on a box just to see what its install is like |
| [01:04:00] | Juski: | you can still mess it up if you don't set the right things |
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| [01:05:00] | Juski: | as far as I can remember it's still pretty much shove the disc in & boot it up, then go through a bunch of menus |
| [01:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | I would imagine |
| [01:05:00] | tremendous: | oh of course it's linux and myth all in one go isn't it |
| [01:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [01:06:00] | bfree_: | most of it looks ok here ... but it ain't quite right :-( |
| [01:06:00] | tremendous: | someone said it's got a web browser – what browser? |
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| [01:06:00] | bfree_: | lynx !!! by default anyway ... apt-get mozilla-chatzilla :-D |
| [01:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | tremendous: That what has a web browser? Myth or knoppmyth ?:) |
| [01:08:00] | tremendous: | knoppmyth |
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| [01:08:00] | bfree_: | no-one familiar with the plextor stuff who might be able to help me figure out what's wrong (or recommend a known good distro/myth combo for it) |
| [01:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | not I |
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| [01:12:00] | Juski: | nor I |
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| [01:18:00] | Servo888: | yeppi tai freaking yay mythtv works. My hardware encoder (pvr-150) and my hardware decoder (g4 mx4000) are working great. My athlon xp-m is running at 800mhz, at a cool 40c with low rpm. Or 50c with no fan. =-). Now dats a quite system |
| [01:21:00] | Juski: | just thought of a name for this... project grayhem |
| [01:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | hah |
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| [01:23:00] | Lobo_75025: | can anyone help me with the PVR-350.. I get nothing but a black screen from xawtv |
| [01:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | xawtv wont work with PVR cards |
| [01:26:00] | Lobo_75025: | GreyFoxx: oh. so how I do test it? |
| [01:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | either cat /dev/video0 into a file and play that, or us emplayer directly on the device |
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| [01:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | can I %cat /dev/video1 | mplayer ? |
| [01:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | just mplayer /dev/video0 will do fine |
| [01:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | or video1 |
| [01:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | ok. |
| [01:29:00] | Lobo_75025: | It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available. |
| [01:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | I suppose we should clarify a few things |
| [01:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | are you attempting to test capture, playback or X+playback out the 350 |
| [01:30:00] | Lobo_75025: | but xawtv seems to work on the pcHDTV-3000 card ( I get snow, but the antenna isn't connected) |
| [01:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | Lobo_75025: The pchdtv card using bttv dreivers for analog cable |
| [01:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | standard framegrabber chip |
| [01:30:00] | PaulWay: | the pcHDTV and the PVR-350 are completely separate hardware, aren't they? |
| [01:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | correct |
| [01:31:00] | Lobo_75025: | GreyFoxx: I'm not sure. I want to eventually use it with myth, but I'm not having much luck. |
| [01:32:00] | Lobo_75025: | GreyFoxx: so I thought I'd test it a bit first with more basic apps. |
| [01:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | xawtv is not an option with the 350 |
| [01:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | but a simple |
| [01:32:00] | bfree_: | it's come to life (had to go back in and setup recording profiles as I'd wiped them) :-) just no audio yet ... but I'll figure it out :-) |
| [01:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | mplayer /dev/video# should do it |
| [01:32:00] | Lobo_75025: | GreyFoxx: so how do I test it? |
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| [01:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or just cat /dev/video# > file.mpg and watch to see if it grows in size |
| [01:34:00] | Lobo_75025: | GreyFoxx: ok its growing in size. |
| [01:34:00] | PaulWay: | BTW, what does a dbox2 do? I've seen bits and pieces about them but I'm not sure exactly what it is. |
| [01:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | Lobo_75025: you should be able to CTRL-C and play that new file.mpg |
| [01:35:00] | Juski: | hmmm need a watermark for weather now... |
| [01:35:00] | bfree_: | hmm, actually it's still not tuning properly :-( grrrr .... |
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| [01:35:00] | Lobo_75025: | GreyFoxx: this seems to be a video driver issue.. I get the following message "It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available" |
| [01:37:00] | Lobo_75025: | GreyFoxx: its an ATI Radeon 9600.. I think im just using the vesa driver though. |
| [01:37:00] | tremendous: | i'm having ati issues too :( |
| [01:37:00] | kormoc: | who doesn't have ati issues |
| [01:37:00] | Lobo_75025: | tremendous: blasted ATI. |
| [01:37:00] | tremendous: | people clever enough to buy nvidia |
| [01:38:00] | kormoc: | Lobo_75025, you will need to use the radeon or the fglrx driver for you to have xv support |
| [01:38:00] | Lobo_75025: | kormoc: rerun XF86config ? |
| [01:39:00] | kormoc: | Lobo_75025, sure, if it can set it there, but likly you should just download the driver from ati's website and install it |
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| [01:39:00] | Lobo_75025: | kormoc: yar.. going to try to grab it now. |
| [01:40:00] | tremendous: | has anyone figured out how to install the ati drivers on the ati website |
| [01:40:00] | tremendous: | there are x86_64 linux ones but they're giving me a headache |
| [01:40:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, ooh? |
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| [01:42:00] | tremendous: | ati linux 64 drivers https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.a . . . ;folderID=27 |
| [01:43:00] | tremendous: | if you have any luck installing that please let me know |
| [01:43:00] | kormoc: | well, given I don't have a 64 bit proc, I would certainly not install them |
| [01:43:00] | tremendous: | ah there's a 32 version too |
| [01:43:00] | kormoc: | but you telling us what your issue is might lead us to help. |
| [01:43:00] | kormoc: | I do run the 32 bit ati drivers |
| [01:44:00] | Lobo_75025: | tremendous: 62.3 MB installer. It'll be about 20m before I can even *try* them. |
| [01:44:00] | tremendous: | haha yeah true |
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| [01:45:00] | tremendous: | um well basically X won't start up with any of linux's ati / radeon drivers (my motherboard has ati radeon x200 on it). i have to use the generic vesa thingy, and xvid playback in mplayer is really slow |
| [01:45:00] | Lobo_75025: | It might be quicker to pull a GeForce 3 Ti200 from one of my other boxes and use it! |
| [01:45:00] | tremendous: | i'd do something similar but i've only got space for one expansion card, and that'll be the tv card |
| [01:45:00] | Servo888: | What are the keyboard keys for controlling audio? |
| [01:45:00] | Servo888: | Volumn |
| [01:46:00] | Servo888: | Ah lol. 256mb of ram JUST cuts it; 3mb's free =-) |
| [01:46:00] | djperegrine: | thats not good :< |
| [01:47:00] | PaulWay: | Get ready for swapping... |
| [01:48:00] | tremendous: | see Lobo_75025 there's the "installer" (50 odd meg) and then either xfree86 or x.org 20mb downloads. i just can't figure out what i'm meant to do with it all |
| [01:48:00] | Lobo_75025: | tremendous: do you have all the prereqs installed? · XFree86-Mesa-libGL libstdc++ libgcc XFree86-libs fontconfig expat freetype zlib ? |
| [01:48:00] | tremendous: | no idea |
| [01:48:00] | tremendous: | but i'm giving up for tonight now |
| [01:48:00] | Lobo_75025: | tremendous: you should already have X installed. |
| [01:48:00] | djperegrine: | get debian or gentoo and just apt-get |
| [01:48:00] | djperegrine: | or emerge |
| [01:48:00] | PaulWay: | How reliable to people find their lm_sensors config is? |
| [01:49:00] | tremendous: | how about yum |
| [01:49:00] | djperegrine: | or yum |
| [01:49:00] | tremendous: | i like yum, i think i've got the hang of it |
| [01:49:00] | djperegrine: | its easyt |
| [01:49:00] | tremendous: | bed time, i'll be scratching my head again tomorrow night |
| [01:49:00] | PaulWay: | yum is the business. |
| [01:49:00] | PaulWay: | good luck there tremendous! |
| [01:49:00] | djperegrine: | much easier then compiling it manually |
| [01:49:00] | tremendous: | yeah whatever – i'm a linux newbie. it's hard for me |
| [01:49:00] | PaulWay: | It's definitely worth it. |
| [01:49:00] | tremendous: | night all |
| [01:49:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, I don't think your card is supported under linux, is it? |
| [01:49:00] | djperegrine: | you just add the key and do yum xfree86 or wahtever :O |
| [01:50:00] | PaulWay: | We're all newbies here. Some have just learnt a little more, that's all. |
| [01:50:00] | djperegrine: | true |
| [01:50:00] | PaulWay: | I'd recommend using xorg |
| [01:50:00] | tremendous: | kormoc, what card do you mean? graphics is onboard radeon |
| [01:50:00] | djperegrine: | or xorg |
| [01:50:00] | djperegrine: | whatever |
| [01:50:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, yeah, the x200 |
| [01:50:00] | djperegrine: | yea xorg is better |
| [01:51:00] | PaulWay: | much of a muchness. |
| [01:51:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, "The ATI Proprietary Linux driver currently supports Radeon 8500 and later AGP or PCI Express graphics products, as well as FireGL 8700 and later products. We do not currently plan to include support for any products earlier than this." |
| [01:51:00] | tremendous: | kormoc, well there's no x200 driver with linux but i would have thought the x300 one or the "generic radeon" one would do it. no, though. but before last time i wiped i did have a little more progress |
| [01:51:00] | tremendous: | i think x200 came out after 8500, i may be wrong though |
| [01:51:00] | tremendous: | my motherboard's brand new |
| [01:52:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, man radeon shows that the x300+ is supported by the radeon driver, but the x200 is not |
| [01:53:00] | tremendous: | oh great |
| [01:53:00] | tremendous: | what do i do now |
| [01:53:00] | kormoc: | there's not really much you can do |
| [01:53:00] | djperegrine: | ati radion tv out won't work |
| [01:53:00] | djperegrine: | ever |
| [01:53:00] | djperegrine: | I tried to get it work for 2 weeks it just won't work |
| [01:53:00] | tremendous: | well that's where you're wrong |
| [01:54:00] | tremendous: | because with the standard vesa driver i have tv out working fine |
| [01:54:00] | kormoc: | unless you're gonna write a driver... |
| [01:54:00] | tremendous: | just video playback is slow |
| [01:54:00] | kormoc: | standard vesa != radeon driver... |
| [01:54:00] | djperegrine: | tremendous, trust me.... it won't work |
| [01:54:00] | tremendous: | before i reinstalled it was working |
| [01:54:00] | tremendous: | i just don't know how i did it |
| [01:54:00] | PaulWay: | well, at least it works somehow... |
| [01:54:00] | djperegrine: | well |
| [01:54:00] | djperegrine: | it won't ever work with mythv |
| [01:54:00] | djperegrine: | *mythtv |
| [01:54:00] | djperegrine: | because youo need xv |
| [01:54:00] | tremendous: | what's xv |
| [01:55:00] | kormoc: | XVideo |
| [01:55:00] | kormoc: | it's a extention that myth uses to render video onto |
| [01:55:00] | djperegrine: | yea its how myth resizes the tv input to fullscreen |
| [01:55:00] | tremendous: | does mplayer use the same one |
| [01:55:00] | kormoc: | and it does not work with the visa driver. |
| [01:55:00] | tremendous: | because that was working |
| [01:55:00] | djperegrine: | when you do that with software, then it skips |
| [01:55:00] | kormoc: | mplayer can, but it's likly using XSHM |
| [01:55:00] | ** PaulWay stops trying to write out an explanation and lets kormoc do it. ** | |
| [01:55:00] | tremendous: | well |
| [01:55:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, try this |
| [01:56:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, mplayer -vo xv /path/to/movie |
| [01:56:00] | kormoc: | and see if it plays |
| [01:56:00] | PaulWay: | mplayer also has dedicated recognition of various video cards. |
| [01:56:00] | tremendous: | i'll have to go downstairs to try that |
| [01:56:00] | tremendous: | back in a tick |
| [01:56:00] | tremendous: | but like i said, things were better before my last reinstall |
| [01:56:00] | PaulWay: | also try mplayer -vo gl |
| [01:57:00] | PaulWay: | Which uses openGL textures to render to. |
| [01:57:00] | djperegrine: | if xv doesn't work I dought opengl will |
| [01:57:00] | PaulWay: | Well, it's worth a try. Who knows? |
| [01:57:00] | kormoc: | opengl doesn't require xv, and he would likly be running in mesa mode anyway (pure cpu gl rendering) |
| [01:57:00] | djperegrine: | if he is using the vesa drivers neither of those will work |
| [01:57:00] | tremendous: | i doubt either will since i reinstalled |
| [01:57:00] | tremendous: | exactly |
| [01:57:00] | tremendous: | brb |
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| [01:59:00] | PaulWay: | So how reliable is everyone else's lm_sensors setup? |
| [02:00:00] | kormoc: | donno, never got them working |
| [02:00:00] | PaulWay: | I just installed the package and then did sensors_setup |
| [02:00:00] | PaulWay: | (by 'just' I mean 'simply', not 'recently') |
| [02:01:00] | kormoc: | and by never got them working, I should say, havn't tried in the past few years :P |
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| [02:01:00] | PaulWay: | And what I'm seeing is the -12V line oscillating between -9 and -15, and the -5V line going between -3.8 and .6.8 |
| [02:01:00] | kormoc: | xthat would be a bad thing... |
| [02:02:00] | kormoc: | reboot into the bios, and look at the pc health screen and see what it thinks the voltages are doing |
| [02:02:00] | PaulWay: | It's what the system is doing when it's working that I'm worried about. |
| [02:02:00] | Juski: | quick question about themes here... you can give screen positions for stuff.. how do they relate to 'real' pixel positions? what is the max. x & y of a theme before it gets scaled? |
| [02:02:00] | kormoc: | if it's that bad, it should be doing something similar when idle imho |
| [02:02:00] | PaulWay: | But I'm not sure how much I can actually trust it. |
| [02:03:00] | PaulWay: | Juski: I would have thought everything would be scaled. |
| [02:03:00] | kormoc: | PaulWay, get a multimeter |
| [02:03:00] | kormoc: | :) |
| [02:03:00] | ** kormoc shall be back laters ** | |
| [02:03:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [02:03:00] | PaulWay: | Have multimeter, hate poking it into computers. |
| [02:03:00] | PaulWay: | Same here – off for lunch. |
| [02:03:00] | Juski: | I know everything is scaled.. but from what? |
| [02:03:00] | kormoc: | don't worry bout it |
| [02:03:00] | tremendous: | back... |
| [02:03:00] | PaulWay: | Juski: don't know much about it, just guessing.... |
| [02:03:00] | kormoc: | just use one of the power connectors you use for hard drives or cdroms |
| [02:04:00] | tremendous: | xv doesn't work, x11 does and gl does but it's slow |
| [02:04:00] | PaulWay: | afk, eating... |
| [02:04:00] | tremendous: | but tv out is fine |
| [02:04:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, yup, and unless you want to write support for your hardware, you're not going to get myth working on that card. |
| [02:04:00] | tremendous: | well before i reinstalled xv was working, i'm sure of it |
| [02:05:00] | ** kormoc shakes his head ** | |
| [02:05:00] | kormoc: | not with the visa driver |
| [02:05:00] | tremendous: | no not with the vesa |
| [02:05:00] | kormoc: | and neather of the other two seem to support it |
| [02:05:00] | Lobo_75025: | do I want to initialize xfree86-dga ? |
| [02:05:00] | tremendous: | i sort of half installed the ati one |
| [02:05:00] | tremendous: | and things were working |
| [02:05:00] | Lobo_75025: | thats a question in the config stuff for the ati driver |
| [02:05:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [02:05:00] | tremendous: | i just wish i remembered how |
| [02:05:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [02:05:00] | tremendous: | right, bed time |
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| [02:05:00] | tremendous: | night |
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| [02:07:00] | Lobo_75025: | ok Im going to restart X and see if the ATI driver works. |
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| [02:08:00] | Lobo_75025_: | ok that might have worked. |
| [02:08:00] | Lobo_75025_: | GreyFoxx: you still there? |
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| [02:14:00] | Lobo_75025_: | GreyFoxx: ok cat /dev/video1 > /mytv/tmp/test.mpg grows in size, until I control-c and then plays snow in mplayer.. yay. now I get to try to use it with myth! |
| [02:15:00] | Lobo_75025_: | GreyFoxx: but first time for a break... |
| [02:15:00] | Lobo_75025_: | GreyFoxx: THANKS ! |
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| [02:15:00] | Juski: | what the f... |
| [02:16:00] | Juski: | so you've got some images as watermarks.. exactly the same size as each other... |
| [02:16:00] | Juski: | they seem to move when you change them |
| [02:16:00] | Juski: | bah I'm going to bed |
| [02:17:00] | Juski: | I'll crack this one tomorrow |
| [02:17:00] | Juski: | night all |
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| [02:20:00] | Servo888: | Can you record a show while you watch it? Say schedule a show to get recorded and go watch it on that channel? |
| [02:22:00] | Hal: | You can watch a show while it records. Not quite the same phrasing, but same effect. |
| [02:30:00] | Servo888: | How is that done? |
| [02:31:00] | PaulWay: | Go find it in the Watch Recordings section once it's started recording. |
| [02:31:00] | mofu_: | its really obvious once you get your box working . . . . |
| [02:32:00] | Servo888: | ah ok |
| [02:32:00] | PaulWay: | I believe you can also be watching live TV and hit 'R' on the keyboard (or something on the remote, I don't know what) and it'll start recording that show from the same input. |
| [02:32:00] | PaulWay: | (i.e. the ringbuffer goes into the new recording and then the recording gets added to from there). |
| [02:33:00] | mofu_: | there will be some added flexibility in the next release regarding live tv and recording I hear . . . . |
| [02:33:00] | Servo888: | ah ok |
| [02:34:00] | mofu_: | Paul I'm not sure the ring buffer is used currently, the recording might start when you press R, this is one of the changes coming |
| [02:34:00] | PaulWay: | Yeah, they're working on eliminating the ringbuffer and just creating recording files, so that other frontends can watch TV without having to take up a separate card. |
| [02:34:00] | PaulWay: | Well, I've already used R to start a recording six months ago, so I'm pretty sure it's there... |
| [02:34:00] | mofu_: | it won't free up a card . . . |
| [02:35:00] | Servo888: | Another question – there seems to be a gap on the side of the screen that 'w' doesn't fix. It seems like it might be more related to the input or something |
| [02:36:00] | PaulWay: | The problem they're solving is how to allow two people to watch live TV from the same (ringbuffer/recording file) simultaneously. |
| [02:36:00] | mofu_: | add some overscan in playback |
| [02:36:00] | Servo888: | mofu_, was that to me? |
| [02:36:00] | mofu_: | yep |
| [02:36:00] | PaulWay: | The current implementation requires each new watching frontend to have a separate card, so they can change channels without interfering with another watcher. |
| [02:37:00] | PaulWay: | OK, creatures of the planet earth, I'm off to get my hair cut. See y'all later. |
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| [02:45:00] | djperegrine: | man the svn is active |
| [02:45:00] | djperegrine: | open source kicckss arse, but will never work for decent games :O |
| [02:45:00] | mofu_: | djperegrine: don't compare it to the old cvs system, svn is more detailed . . . . |
| [02:46:00] | djperegrine: | heh |
| [02:46:00] | djperegrine: | yea true |
| [02:46:00] | djperegrine: | but I am just looking at the checkins |
| [02:46:00] | djperegrine: | and its still alot compared to most projects |
| [02:46:00] | mofu_: | hopefully its a sign . . . |
| [02:46:00] | djperegrine: | yeep |
| [02:46:00] | djperegrine: | its looking good |
| [02:47:00] | mofu_: | anyone know if "LiveTV" is fixed in SVN yet? |
| [02:47:00] | djperegrine: | once they make a spiffy GUI its pretty much perfect |
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| [03:31:00] | bfree_: | everything on my convertx has come to life bar sound from the tuner ... best part is the box came with a mystery remote and usb/ir-da port ... it just works as a keyboard and mouse! |
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| [03:32:00] | frenchy: | can anyone help me out i just got a hauppauge pvr 350 and i want to use the s-video out to display it on my tv but im not sure how to do that |
| [03:36:00] | frenchy: | anyone? |
| [03:38:00] | bfree_: | not I I'm afraid :-( |
| [03:39:00] | mofu_: | frenchy: did you bother to read ANYTHING? |
| [03:39:00] | mofu_: | I know there are HOWTO's covering the 350 |
| [03:40:00] | frenchy: | yeah |
| [03:40:00] | frenchy: | i got the ivtv drivers installed but i dont know how to tell it i want to use the s-video out |
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| [03:46:00] | Gumby: | does anyone here know why mythfrontend recorded shows browser would skip shows in the list? The shows are showing there, but I am unable to highlight them to watch them. The down button on my remote just skips to the bottom of the list while the up button seems to skip to the top of the list. |
| [03:46:00] | Gumby: | hrm, and deleting from mythfrontend crashes the backend |
| [03:46:00] | Gumby: | d'oh |
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| [04:10:00] | gnoob: | that seems weird. Backend crashing when front is deleted. I think you have a virus. :) |
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| [04:13:00] | NightMonkey: | Dang, if only I looked in here, I could have helped frenchy. Poor frenchy. |
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| [04:17:00] | Gumby: | can anyone here tell me how to get mplayer to use a resultion that will fill up the full screen like it does when watching a recording from the frontend? currently all the recordings have a large black border when viewed with mplayer |
| [04:18:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | mplayer isn't used to watch recordings in the frontend. what you want is "-fs -zoom" though |
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| [04:19:00] | Gumby: | ah yes, zoom. thank you |
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| [04:24:00] | Lobo_75025: | Can anyone help with the PVR-350 and mythtv? if I cat /dev/video1 > /myth/tmp/test.mpg; the file is viewable with %mplayer /myth/tmp/test.mpg. But I can't figure out how to "change channels" I think its starting tuned to ch 3 (just guessing though).. |
| [04:24:00] | Lobo_75025: | cat /dev/video1 > /myth/tmp/test.mpg; |
| [04:26:00] | kormoc: | Lobo_75025, there is a util with ivtv |
| [04:26:00] | kormoc: | ptune.pl -d /dev/video1 channel_num |
| [04:28:00] | Gumby: | Lobo_75025: have you run mythtv-setup and setup your cable sources? |
| [04:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | kormoc: still no dice, its displaying a blank(black) screen. |
| [04:28:00] | kormoc: | Gumby, s/he's not in myth, hence the catting |
| [04:28:00] | kormoc: | Lobo_75025, try... |
| [04:29:00] | kormoc: | ivtvctl -d /dev/video1 -u 0x3000 |
| [04:29:00] | kormoc: | ivtvctl -d /dev/video1 -p 4 |
| [04:29:00] | Gumby: | kormoc: that is irrelivant to my question |
| [04:29:00] | Lobo_75025: | what is that going to do? |
| [04:29:00] | kormoc: | ivtvctl -d /dev/video1 -f width=720,height=480 |
| [04:29:00] | kormoc: | then ptune |
| [04:29:00] | kormoc: | it sets up the input and gets the card ready to capture from the cable |
| [04:30:00] | kormoc: | Gumby, sure it is, mythtv-setup won't help command line capture |
| [04:30:00] | Gumby: | kormoc: this is #myhtv-users. I assume the end result is that he wants to use the card with mythtv. In which case he'll need to run the setup |
| [04:30:00] | Lobo_75025: | kormoc: still black... its connected to an antenna for now.. I wanted to get it working with an antenna before I plug it in. |
| [04:30:00] | Gumby: | which if he hasnt, he might want to try first |
| [04:31:00] | Lobo_75025: | Gumby: I have tried that... thats where I just get a blank screen when I click 'view tv' |
| [04:31:00] | kormoc: | Lobo_75025, you'll need to change the input number (the -p line) until you get the correct input number for your antenna |
| [04:32:00] | Lobo_75025: | ok. I get snow from -p 4 |
| [04:34:00] | Lobo_75025: | Gumby: you are right.. the goal is to use it with myth tv |
| [04:35:00] | Gumby: | Lobo_75025: any specific reason for wanting antenna working first? |
| [04:36:00] | Gumby: | might be easier to just plug the cable in and get that working |
| [04:39:00] | Lobo_75025: | Gumby: maybe, but I can't deploy it to the Living Room until it works. I've always been one to try the easy stuff first, then build from there. plus I don't have a cable connection in this room. |
| [04:39:00] | Lobo_75025: | kormoc: that seems to work.. these cheesy bunny ears are showing jay jeno. |
| [04:40:00] | Lobo_75025: | so, now I have confidence that the driver is working . |
| [04:40:00] | Lobo_75025: | which I count as a small victory! |
| [04:41:00] | NightMonkey: | Lobo_75025: You're on your way. |
| [04:43:00] | Gumby: | hrm, my recordings menu is behaving differently. my up/down buttons on the remote arent browsing through the recordings properly and the right button isnt taking me to the delete/transcode/etc menu anymore either. |
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| [04:48:00] | Lobo_75025: | ok so why wont it work with mythtv ? |
| [04:49:00] | Lobo_75025: | Im looking at the mythtv-setup stuff now. |
| [04:49:00] | kormoc: | Lobo_75025, you need to set the input type in myth-setup to antenna |
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| [04:50:00] | Lobo_75025: | kormoc: in which part? In the "capture cards" |
| [04:50:00] | Lobo_75025: | its set to video1 , tuner0 |
| [04:50:00] | Lobo_75025: | isn't that what I want there? |
| [04:51:00] | kormoc: | nah |
| [04:51:00] | kormoc: | tuner0 is for cable |
| [04:51:00] | kormoc: | you'd want whatever your antenna is plugged into |
| [04:51:00] | Lobo_75025: | oh |
| [04:52:00] | Lobo_75025: | it's plugged into where the cable would go (same connector bnc?) |
| [04:52:00] | kormoc: | then yeah, it's cable one |
| [04:53:00] | kormoc: | you might need to just play with the channels |
| [04:54:00] | Lobo_75025: | shouldn't I see fuzz though instead of a black screen? |
| [04:54:00] | kormoc: | one would think so |
| [04:56:00] | Lobo_75025: | yar. this is frustrating. |
| [04:57:00] | Lobo_75025: | ok. so this is one reason why gui is bad. |
| [04:57:00] | Lobo_75025: | where are the actual config files that mythtv-setup creates? |
| [04:58:00] | Lobo_75025: | looking at them might help me. |
| [04:58:00] | Agrajag-: | in the db |
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| [04:59:00] | Lobo_75025: | bummer. |
| [04:59:00] | Lobo_75025: | ideas? |
| [05:00:00] | Agrajag-: | i dunno i haven't read up, but it sounds like you need to read and follow the docs |
| [05:01:00] | Lobo_75025: | Agrajag-: I have been. how do you think I got this far? |
| [05:01:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | did you change the channel frequency setting from us-bcast to us-cable? |
| [05:01:00] | Lobo_75025: | Captain_Murdoch: no |
| [05:01:00] | Lobo_75025: | worth a try though |
| [05:04:00] | Lobo_75025: | still no dice. |
| [05:05:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | does the OSD come up if you tro to change channels with up/down? are there any mesages being printedin the backend log or to stdout on the frontend? |
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| [05:07:00] | Lobo_75025: | Captain_Murdoch: I get some stuff in the backend log: |
| [05:07:00] | NightMonkey: | uh oh |
| [05:07:00] | Lobo_75025: | Captain_Murdoch: 2005-11–14 23:04:10.658 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [05:08:00] | Lobo_75025: | 2005-11–14 23:04:10.679 Waiting for recorder to start |
| [05:08:00] | Lobo_75025: | Error getting codec params |
| [05:08:00] | Lobo_75025: | IVTV_IOC_G_CODEC:: Bad address |
| [05:08:00] | Lobo_75025: | 2005-11–14 23:04:10.802 Error encountered starting recorder |
| [05:08:00] | Lobo_75025: | 2005-11–14 23:04:10.806 TVRec: Failed to start recorder thread — aborting recor |
| [05:08:00] | Lobo_75025: | ding |
| [05:08:00] | Lobo_75025: | 2005-11–14 23:04:10.810 TVRec: StartRecorderPost(): aborting recording |
| [05:09:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | are you going all the way though the setup screens and not just hitting ESCape once you get to a certain point? |
| [05:11:00] | Lobo_75025: | Captain_Murdoch: I think it makes it all the way through.. the settings are there when I run myth-setup again. |
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| [05:17:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | and you setup a video source and assigned it to tuner0? |
| [05:17:00] | Lobo_75025: | yup |
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| [05:20:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | and the user running mythbackend has privs to read/write /dev/video0 (or whatever dev your card is at) |
| [05:21:00] | Lobo_75025: | yes. %mplayer /dev/video1 works fine. |
| [05:21:00] | Lobo_75025: | and I can change channels with ptune.pl -d /dev/video1 <channel_num> |
| [05:27:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | try "ivtvctl -C -d /dev/video1" |
| [05:27:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | -C, --list-codec-params |
| [05:27:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | display the current codec parameters [IVTV_IOC_G_CODEC] |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | ioctl IVTV_IOC_G_CODEC ok |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | Codec parameters |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | aspect : 2 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | audio : 0x00e9 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | bframes : 3 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | bitrate_mode: 0 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | bitrate : 8000000 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | bitrate_peak: 9600000 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | dnr_mode : 0 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | dnr_spatial : 0 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | dnr_temporal: 0 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | dnr_type : 0 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | framerate : 0 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | framespergop: 15 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | gop_closure : 1 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | pulldown : 0 |
| [05:28:00] | Lobo_75025: | stream_type : 14 |
| [05:28:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok, so you can read that but myth can't for some reason. |
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| [05:37:00] | Lobo_75025: | well. I give up for the night |
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| [06:40:00] | simcop2387: | anyone know how to create user jobs? |
| [06:41:00] | simcop2387: | i'm wanting to run tcrequant on files that are >24hours old |
| [06:49:00] | pp123: | anybody have any suggestions for hardware when running mythtv on xbox? |
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| [06:55:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | google for myth_archive_job.pl or look here for some sample user jobs http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . y.pl;#152813 |
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| [08:12:00] | Cougar: | any hint why ivtv shows such video http://www.version6.net/tmp/video0.mpg |
| [08:12:00] | Cougar: | http://www.version6.net/tmp/video1.mpg from another tuner is ok |
| [08:12:00] | Cougar: | I use ivtv 0.5.0 |
| [08:13:00] | ** Gumby prepares for mpg's of animal pr0n ** | |
| [08:14:00] | Gumby: | Cougar: maybe that is the reasin 5.0 is still "unstable" |
| [08:14:00] | Gumby: | reason |
| [08:14:00] | Cougar: | maybe.. |
| [08:14:00] | Cougar: | i didn't notice it att he beginning but yesterday found it and reloading firmware or driver idn't help |
| [08:14:00] | Cougar: | haven't tried to cold-boot system |
| [08:17:00] | Gumby: | any particular reason that you arent using ivtv-0.4.0? |
| [08:21:00] | Cougar: | no ;-) |
| [08:21:00] | Cougar: | I used CVS long time |
| [08:22:00] | Cougar: | 0.4.0 was somehow unstable for me and CVS version ran better |
| [08:24:00] | Gumby: | I really dont have an answer for you, other than try 0.4.0 |
| [08:24:00] | Gumby: | were those subtitles? |
| [08:24:00] | Gumby: | or was it cc |
| [08:33:00] | Dagmar: | 0.4.0 didn't like preemptive kernel stuff. Is that fixed in CVS? |
| [08:37:00] | Cougar: | subtitles are in video already, no cc |
| [08:37:00] | Cougar: | btw, teletect works well with patched alevt :-) |
| [08:37:00] | Cougar: | teletext |
| [08:38:00] | Cougar: | don't know about cc because we don't have it |
| [08:39:00] | Gumby: | me wonders why mythweb crashes the backend all the time |
| [08:39:00] | ** Gumby for the / ** | |
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| [09:07:00] | Gumby: | anyone here know of any frontend themes other than what are included in myth packages |
| [09:07:00] | Gumby: | specifically OSD themes |
| [09:09:00] | Cougar: | 0.5.1 SVN version works fine ;-) |
| [09:11:00] | Cougar: | don't know ods but I use nuvola |
| [09:11:00] | Cougar: | s/ods/osd |
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| [10:03:00] | Gumby: | does anyone know in what resolution a bttv card outputs at natively? |
| [10:07:00] | slide: | id go with 480^2 |
| [10:09:00] | Gumby: | hrm, doesnt mythweather get its data from the db or from a text file. |
| [10:13:00] | jave: | another theme question: I would like to make some sort of icon based theme, rather than only text based, to be easier to handle for kids. Hints for good starting points? |
| [10:14:00] | Gumby: | jave: there is a good one out there with both. when you scroll up and down it shows pictures to the right |
| [10:14:00] | Gumby: | http://www.radixpub.com/vir/portfolio/mtvmc/ |
| [10:14:00] | jave: | Gumby: thats sounds ideal. thanks! |
| [10:15:00] | Gumby: | there is also titvillus |
| [10:15:00] | Gumby: | titivillus |
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| [10:18:00] | jave: | thanks |
| [10:20:00] | Gumby: | and both of those themes OSD are also much better as well |
| [10:20:00] | jave: | another question: i have some problems setting up mythgame for mame. the games dont show up in the category browser, and i dont get any screenshots |
| [10:21:00] | jave: | im able to start games if i set all games as favorites in the db, and browse by favorite |
| [10:21:00] | Gumby: | no idea there. never even tried |
| [10:21:00] | jave: | ok |
| [10:22:00] | jave: | im usin atrpm:s at the moment. what is the likelihood that i could recompile the mythgame rpm from cvs? or must i recompile all rpm:s? |
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| [11:47:00] | toom: | hi |
| [11:48:00] | laga: | hello toom |
| [11:48:00] | toom: | hey laga |
| [11:48:00] | toom: | how's things? |
| [11:49:00] | laga: | fine so far. a lot of homewor, though. |
| [11:49:00] | laga: | and what's up with you? |
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| [11:49:00] | toom: | just returned home from a bbq |
| [11:49:00] | toom: | at the foreshore |
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| [11:49:00] | toom: | the goal was to drink all the beer so we didn't have to carry it back ;) |
| [11:50:00] | laga: | nice. did you succeed? |
| [11:51:00] | toom: | almost |
| [11:51:00] | laga: | good boy |
| [11:52:00] | toom: | the amount of softdrinks was larger than the amount of beer |
| [11:52:00] | laga: | sheesh. sounds like a bad bbq. ;) |
| [11:52:00] | toom: | ehm |
| [11:52:00] | toom: | add: we had to carry back :) |
| [11:53:00] | laga: | so? i'd rather carry beer than soft drinks ;) |
| [11:53:00] | toom: | exactly, that's why we tried to get the beer empty |
| [11:53:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [11:54:00] | laga: | well, then again, i'm german and we tend to have rather strong views on such subjects ;) |
| [11:54:00] | toom: | excellent, i'm german as well :) |
| [11:54:00] | Xenna: | I'm not :) |
| [11:54:00] | laga: | toom: but located in australia? |
| [11:54:00] | toom: | yup |
| [11:54:00] | toom: | nice outpost :) |
| [11:54:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [11:55:00] | laga: | Xenna: nobody is perfect. |
| [11:55:00] | ** laga hides ** | |
| [11:55:00] | laga: | toom: /join #mythtv-de ;) |
| [11:55:00] | Xenna: | ;) |
| [11:55:00] | Xenna: | The big disadvantage of German Linux users |
| [11:55:00] | Xenna: | (inho) |
| [11:55:00] | Xenna: | imho |
| [11:56:00] | laga: | Xenna: hehe. |
| [11:56:00] | toom: | i am not a german linux user |
| [11:56:00] | Xenna: | is that they tend to write things in german |
| [11:56:00] | toom: | when i came to australia i was using freebs |
| [11:56:00] | toom: | d |
| [11:56:00] | laga: | Xenna: so? our native language. |
| [11:56:00] | toom: | i switched to linux after i came here.. |
| [11:56:00] | Xenna: | German freebsd users are prob the same |
| [11:56:00] | Xenna: | For instance the isdn4linux stuff is mostly done by germans |
| [11:56:00] | toom: | heheheh |
| [11:56:00] | Xenna: | which is nice of them |
| [11:56:00] | laga: | Xenna: i write a lot in english as well. but why should i present information that only applies to german users, for example, in english? |
| [11:57:00] | toom: | Xenna: i did the english translation of the freesbie.org website |
| [11:57:00] | toom: | i'm one of the good guys ;) |
| [11:57:00] | toom: | erm.. |
| [11:57:00] | Xenna: | If you write something contributing to opens source it would be nice to write it up in english |
| [11:57:00] | toom: | i did the translation from english to german. |
| [11:57:00] | Xenna: | Suppose Linux would'bve done everything in Finnish ;) |
| [11:57:00] | Xenna: | Excellen, good work |
| [11:58:00] | laga: | Xenna: well, i'm planning on translating some stuff, but i haven't got around to it. |
| [11:58:00] | toom: | ahhh, good'ol linus :) |
| [11:58:00] | laga: | Xenna: but for example, i translated keys.txt to german and added the information about the dbox2 in the official docs |
| [11:58:00] | laga: | s/added/contributed/ |
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| [11:58:00] | laga: | so i do both :) |
| [11:59:00] | Xenna: | That's great |
| [11:59:00] | laga: | Xenna: my idea is to make mythtv accessible for a wider range of users. |
| [11:59:00] | toom: | so all in all, we're good guys, just as i said |
| [11:59:00] | laga: | toom: i wish i was an evil overlord, though. |
| [11:59:00] | laga: | that would *rock* |
| [11:59:00] | Xenna: | IMO mythtv could maybe be the Killer App for Linux |
| [11:59:00] | laga: | Xenna: yep |
| [12:00:00] | toom: | for those, who use it, it already is |
| [12:00:00] | toom: | i reckon |
| [12:00:00] | Xenna: | Even non-technical users immediately see the benefits |
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| [12:01:00] | Xenna: | I don't know if it's friendly and stable enough to start selling plug 'n play boxes |
| [12:02:00] | laga: | Xenna: some people do it. |
| [12:02:00] | laga: | Xenna: some australian company, for example |
| [12:02:00] | Xenna: | Yeah, I wonder what cutomers they have and how they support them |
| [12:02:00] | toom: | can't tell, mine isn't working yet :) |
| [12:02:00] | laga: | toom: hehe |
| [12:03:00] | Xenna: | I used to sell Inet gateways based on Linux and they required quite a bit of support |
| [12:03:00] | toom: | but i guess that's basically because we've got really shitty reception with our dodgy room antenna |
| [12:04:00] | laga: | toom: should work on that ;) |
| [12:04:00] | toom: | i'm trying |
| [12:05:00] | toom: | i tried to cheat a secound room antenna but it didn't work very well |
| [12:05:00] | toom: | actuallly, it didn't work at all :) |
| [12:05:00] | toom: | maybe attaching a random amount of cable to a BNC plug isn't the best way to do it :) |
| [12:06:00] | laga: | no, probably not. ;) |
| [12:07:00] | toom: | i was too lazy to calculate the length of the antenna |
| [12:07:00] | laga: | that's what you get for it ;) |
| [12:07:00] | toom: | pain and suffering |
| [12:11:00] | toom: | ok |
| [12:11:00] | toom: | let's get to business |
| [12:11:00] | toom: | remote control |
| [12:12:00] | toom: | irw is outputting the keys i'm pressing |
| [12:12:00] | toom: | and i've put a file.. |
| [12:12:00] | toom: | there is .mythrv/lircrc which is a link to ~/.lircrc |
| [12:13:00] | toom: | containing some stuff |
| [12:14:00] | toom: | that one: http://www.users.on.net/~jani/lircrc.example.DVICO-irxevent |
| [12:19:00] | toom: | but mythtv doesn't respond |
| [12:19:00] | toom: | at all |
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| [12:21:00] | ** juski brings out the GIMP ** | |
| [12:22:00] | toom: | wtf |
| [12:22:00] | juski: | .. you know... The GNU Image Manipulation Program |
| [12:22:00] | toom: | yes |
| [12:22:00] | toom: | it's installed |
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| [12:23:00] | toom: | i'm trying to find correlation to my remote control problem :) |
| [12:23:00] | juski: | I just said I was opening it up.. not giving advice today.. busy theming |
| [12:23:00] | toom: | al lright |
| [12:24:00] | toom: | trying to find more readmes |
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| [12:29:00] | juski: | bah .. this vnc connection is too slow for graphics work :( |
| [12:30:00] | juski: | so toom.. you get yer dvb card going eventually? |
| [12:33:00] | toom: | sort of |
| [12:33:00] | toom: | it's still doing nothing when i fire up the mythfrontend |
| [12:33:00] | toom: | but i was able to receive 3 different channels yesterday |
| [12:33:00] | toom: | by putting the dodgy room antenna to the right position |
| [12:36:00] | toom: | so how do I find out that mythtv is built with lirc support |
| [12:37:00] | toom: | i've got lirc in /var/db/pkg/media-tv/mythtv-0.18.1-r1/USE which should prove it nyway |
| [12:45:00] | otwin: | juski: try out freenx/nomachine – it is great for remote access |
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| [12:51:00] | otwin: | hmm – our provider had dns problems. ouff – not my fault... |
| [12:51:00] | otwin: | juski: you complained about vnc performance – did you try out freenx / nomachine? |
| [12:51:00] | bigslam: | has anyone gotten lircd to work for them? |
| [12:52:00] | otwin: | it performs great – even over slow connections |
| [13:06:00] | juski: | I think I'll give that a go at some point.. or just edit my graphics at home in future |
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| [13:24:00] | Giggel: | ah yes, i love it when the guys unplug the switch cause they're unplugging other stuff from the powerboard |
| [13:24:00] | Giggel: | 'ah.. what's that plug.. damnit, i don't care since it's not my guitar..' |
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| [14:21:00] | Giggel: | all right, i think i'm getting to it |
| [14:22:00] | Giggel: | prog = irxevent probably doesn't work without starting irxevent |
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| [14:23:00] | randreas69: | Have been engaging my brain for quite some time now! |
| [14:25:00] | randreas69: | Are the actual channel info stored in sql? |
| [14:26:00] | Giggel: | very likely |
| [14:27:00] | randreas69: | Oh ok. Have been looking at mythsetup but no channel info ever makes it to the database. |
| [14:28:00] | randreas69: | Station one, for example is E6 but it says 1, 1 and 1 there. mythsetup's channel editor doesn't want the database to know. |
| [14:28:00] | randreas69: | I'm in Norway and I don't know what to expect of mythfilldatabase --manual. I put the station info there first. |
| [14:28:00] | Giggel: | did you change myswl user oder password? |
| [14:28:00] | randreas69: | Then I've been at it with mythsetup. |
| [14:29:00] | randreas69: | I didn't change any password. |
| [14:29:00] | Giggel: | ok, in that case i won't be much help |
| [14:29:00] | randreas69: | Would I have more luck if mythsetup was run by root? |
| [14:29:00] | Giggel: | quite new to all the stuff as well |
| [14:29:00] | Giggel: | no |
| [14:30:00] | Giggel: | run it as the user that runs the frontend |
| [14:30:00] | Giggel: | needs to work for that |
| [14:30:00] | Giggel: | check you mysql logfile |
| [14:31:00] | randreas69: | mysql.log is 0 bytes but it's running and everything works. |
| [14:32:00] | Giggel: | hm, no further ideas, sorry |
| [14:32:00] | randreas69: | c |
| [14:33:00] | randreas69: | Hard to give any TV viewing in myth a pass. A nice TV putton there to click but it's a high price to try it. |
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| [14:33:00] | randreas69: | It freezes my card but I can rmmod insmod and run tvtime afterwards. |
| [14:34:00] | randreas69: | Giggel: is it necessary to change the passw? |
| [14:36:00] | Giggel: | no |
| [14:38:00] | randreas69: | I've just done a fresh emerge of gentoo and I've never touched mysql before. This time I have internet and decided to give it a go. |
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| [14:40:00] | randreas69: | | chanid | channum | freqid | sourceid | callsign | name |
| [14:40:00] | randreas69: | | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | NRK1 | NRK 1 |
| [14:41:00] | randreas69: | The station NRK should be E6, would mythfilldatabase --manual with my input put it there? |
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| [14:41:00] | randreas69: | Would it be channum or freqid? |
| [14:42:00] | randreas69: | | chanid | channum | freqid | sourceid | callsign | name |
| [14:42:00] | randreas69: | | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | NRK1 | NRK 1 |
| [14:42:00] | randreas69: | The station NRK should be E6, would mythfilldatabase --manual with my input put it there? |
| [14:42:00] | randreas69: | Would it be channum or freqid? |
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| [15:09:00] | randreas69: | What do you know, I've got it working.. |
| [15:10:00] | randreas69: | The on-screen info flickers too much, how do I choose options for interlacing etc? |
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| [15:10:00] | randreas69: | Oh I see there's info pages on this but I've never seen Myth with TV before. I didn't have internet vefore. |
| [15:11:00] | randreas69: | The idea of seeing TV without an internet connection, er, it didn't sound too daft at the time. |
| [15:18:00] | juski: | I think it might be possible to smooth the OSD graphics.. not sure though |
| [15:19:00] | randreas69: | juski: would like a step by step web bage, any adie? |
| [15:19:00] | randreas69: | Ideas* |
| [15:21:00] | juski: | copy the OSD for the theme you're using for safe keeping.. and edit the OSD bitmaps in an editor like GIMP... smooth the single pixel lines a bit.. it' |
| [15:21:00] | juski: | it might help the flicker |
| [15:22:00] | randreas69: | Oh I see. Sorry if my questions sounds daft, but I've had a hard time watching TV with myth when I didn't have any internet. |
| [15:23:00] | juski: | or if you're talking about webpage graphics viewed in mythbrowse (and the rest) there's probably a de-flicker you can configure for the TV output of your graphics card |
| [15:23:00] | randreas69: | Are there any good ready to use themes out there? |
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| [15:23:00] | juski: | radndreas69: define 'good' ;) |
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| [15:24:00] | randreas69: | I watch it on the CRT and the interlace bothers me. |
| [15:24:00] | juski: | I've been working on one: http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/mayhemtheme1.png |
| [15:24:00] | randreas69: | 'Good' like in what you just said to take out the jagged edges. |
| [15:25:00] | juski: | blue looks good in my TV |
| [15:25:00] | randreas69: | Ok, when I'm done here I'm going hunting for Myth themes. Is there any collection on a web page? |
| [15:25:00] | randreas69: | I don't have a TV I use the PC for all purposes. |
| [15:25:00] | randreas69: | Tried to set up both tuners at once but now I only have one tuner set up. |
| [15:25:00] | juski: | the only themes are the ones you get in the main packages |
| [15:26:00] | juski: | and the mythtv-themes package |
| [15:26:00] | randreas69: | The other tuner works, how do I make itself useful without typing all channels in again? |
| [15:27:00] | randreas69: | (emerge --search themes|grep myth) |
| [15:27:00] | juski: | are both your tuners the same? |
| [15:28:00] | randreas69: | Both are Pinnacle PCTV Pro, I just didn't bother to do both at once this time. |
| [15:28:00] | juski: | just add the other one in mythtv-setup |
| [15:28:00] | randreas69: | emerge mythtv-themes!! I'm cooking. |
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| [15:29:00] | randreas69: | Ok, when I've assigned the source, would it make itself useful when I start a recording? |
| [15:29:00] | juski: | should do |
| [15:29:00] | randreas69: | Like, whenever I watch TV would I always watch live on the first tuner and record on the other, or won't I know which tuner it chooses? |
| [15:30:00] | paulz`: | I've got a problem – I've set everything up and when I do a cat /dev/video0 > my.mpg , I get a file size of 0. I've got a pvr 250, and all kinds of i2c errors in dmesg |
| [15:30:00] | paulz`: | also dmesg identifies it as a pvr 150 |
| [15:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | randreas69: It will go to the first free tuner that has the channel available that it is trying to tune to |
| [15:30:00] | randreas69: | Because I also have a cron job to record late Discovery shows from the first tuner. I'm interested to know which tuner myth would choose. |
| [15:31:00] | juski: | eek.. cron jobs to do recordings? just let myth take care of that |
| [15:31:00] | randreas69: | I'd kick the cron jobs then ; |
| [15:32:00] | paulz`: | anyone have any idea what this means? |
| [15:32:00] | paulz`: | ivtv0 warning: i2c client addr: 0x44 not found for command 0x40287611! |
| [15:32:00] | randreas69: | I've set up my stations to get their source from /dev/video0. I'm asking, how would Myth know what to make of the second tuner? |
| [15:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | paulz`: I'm sure if you search the mailing list or theivtv-dev mailing list you will find something. I've seen people mention that many times |
| [15:33:00] | randreas69: | So I would set up the same stations again to be sourced from video1 as well? |
| [15:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | randreas69: Is the second tuner connected to the same video source? |
| [15:33:00] | randreas69: | Yes it's a T way splitter to the same socket. |
| [15:33:00] | paulz`: | thanks GreyFoxx |
| [15:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | then just tell myth that the second tuner uses the same video source |
| [15:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythtv-setup under Input Connections |
| [15:34:00] | randreas69: | How would I do that? I've set up a Pinnacle0 and Pinnacle1 to video0 and video1 respectively. Would I point both to Pinnacle0 now? |
| [15:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | If Pinnacle0 is the configured video source with all of the channels defined and scheduling info then yes you would point them both to it |
| [15:36:00] | randreas69: | Ok, that sounds just great. Would I need to ask on the mailing list to be double sure? Because it works with one tuner now. |
| [15:37:00] | randreas69: | Er, how do I turn the sound up? |
| [15:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | No, you do not need to ask on the mailing list |
| [15:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | but if you want to , go right ahead |
| [15:37:00] | randreas69: | It's muted and set to record on Line. |
| [15:38:00] | randreas69: | Where's the cheat cheet for this thing? |
| [15:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cheat sheet? List of keys you mea n? |
| [15:38:00] | randreas69: | This one: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1 |
| [15:42:00] | randreas69: | I don't have the record keys in alsamixer and aumix doesn't mute each channel. Now that's funny. |
| [15:42:00] | randreas69: | I don't have kmix. |
| [15:42:00] | randreas69: | I could use aumix to unmute but the sound is 2sec off-sync. |
| [15:43:00] | randreas69: | How would I resolve the sound biz? |
| [15:43:00] | randreas69: | I've disabled F11 in Windowmaker to make it useful here. |
| [15:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | That same site describes what you need to do to fix the audio being out of sync on those old framegrabber cards |
| [15:44:00] | randreas69: | I had sound with Mute yesterday. What would I need to check? |
| [15:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | I stopped using those cards years ago :) |
| [15:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | At least stopped using them for Myth |
| [15:44:00] | randreas69: | Oh we're going digital next year and the stores are full of Pinnacle 310e cards. |
| [15:45:00] | randreas69: | Any digital models from Hauppage? |
| [15:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm not talking about digital cable |
| [15:45:00] | randreas69: | You're talking about mpeg coding cards. |
| [15:46:00] | randreas69: | Also hauppage? |
| [15:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm just talking about the type of capture card. Those older cards are often a pain to setup and configure with myth, plus require a lot more CPU to record |
| [15:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | o record |
| [15:46:00] | randreas69: | I have the CPU. |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | They are also a pain to setup, but since it's your pain you are welcome to it :) |
| [15:47:00] | randreas69: | With my cron job no matter how much quality I increase it just hits 17% of CPU. I can give that. |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | Easy to setup with a plain TV watching app, but a pain for anything that is recording the info :) |
| [15:47:00] | randreas69: | I've had none of the pain but Myth has been giving me a hard time. |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | That is the pain I'm referring to |
| [15:48:00] | randreas69: | I've tried Mythtv without internet before. |
| [15:48:00] | randreas69: | The reason for my pain was the lack of internet not the card. |
| [15:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | when you say "without internet" , I assume you mean without program listings ? |
| [15:48:00] | randreas69: | That also. |
| [15:49:00] | randreas69: | I could omit xmltv but I had a hard time coming to the list for support when a doode like me comes saying 'no internet', |
| [15:49:00] | randreas69: | And they laughed and they laughed. |
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| [15:52:00] | travolta-: | kinda OT, does anyone here use ffmpeg to convert .nuv recordings to a format for sony's psp? i updated my psp's firmware to 2.0 and now the videos dont work. anyone in similar situation as me? |
| [15:52:00] | Servo888: | anybody else having issues with mythplugins failing? |
| [15:53:00] | Servo888: | I mean the compile part |
| [15:53:00] | travolta-: | i don't use the plugins so i dont know |
| [15:53:00] | Servo888: | I configured, qmake'ed, and make failed =\ |
| [15:53:00] | Cougar: | failed with what message |
| [15:54:00] | Servo888: | Lots of messages |
| [15:54:00] | travolta-: | heh |
| [15:54:00] | Servo888: | I think it can't find something from the kde headers |
| [15:55:00] | Servo888: | main.cpp:15:26: kapplication.h: No such file or directory | there's one... |
| [15:55:00] | travolta-: | do you have a file named that on your system? |
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| [15:56:00] | Servo888: | Yah in /usr/kde/include/ |
| [15:56:00] | Servo888: | Seems like it's looking for those files in the wrong place |
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| [16:03:00] | travolta-: | do a echo $KDEDIR |
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| [16:57:00] | Silence_: | hi |
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| [16:59:00] | simcop2387: | Silence_: are you supposed to talk? if you do then aren't you lying about your nick? |
| [17:00:00] | Silence_: | ha, it's mostly true |
| [17:00:00] | Silence_: | I ask a questionof two and then just lurk |
| [17:00:00] | simcop2387: | heh |
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| [17:05:00] | ** GreyFoxx wonders if MythVideo has a "playlist" ability ** | |
| [17:05:00] | Silence_: | Leadtek TV2000XP: Will this use the cpu alot? With analog tv going away so soon I don't see much point in spending a lot on a non hd tuner. but a second tuner would be nice and this one can be had for 10 bucks (post soul sucking rebate) |
| [17:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Silence_: It's a framegrabber, so yeah it would use a fair bit of CPU |
| [17:06:00] | simcop2387: | i think i remember those not having a hardware encoder so yes |
| [17:06:00] | Silence_: | hmm |
| [17:06:00] | simcop2387: | GreyFoxx: how do you use the playlist in the recording menu anyway |
| [17:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | simcop2387: I never have. I've seen the menu listing it, but never used it |
| [17:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | I do want to setup a "random |
| [17:07:00] | simcop2387: | i've setup a playlist but i dont know how to play it |
| [17:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | " play list in mythvideo |
| [17:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | or even just a random play of anything in a particular directory |
| [17:07:00] | simcop2387: | GreyFoxx: that would kick ass to have, esp if you could use a playlist of recorded shows and video |
| [17:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I just want videos, but whatever |
| [17:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I jsut wasn't sure if it had it and don't have ready access to the source |
| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | so the house is ours |
| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | muhahaha |
| [17:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: In PR ? |
| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | Nifty :) |
| [17:09:00] | Beirdo: | the previous owners will be moving out over the next week and a half |
| [17:09:00] | Beirdo: | time for me to get a damn job offer :) |
| [17:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [17:10:00] | simcop2387: | GreyFoxx if you use mplayer just specify all the files in a terminal (but AFAIK mythfrontend doesn't have a playlist like that for videos) |
| [17:10:00] | xris: | mythvideo has a standard "browse" mode |
| [17:11:00] | simcop2387: | he wants a playlist |
| [17:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | simcop2387: I don't use mplayer with mythvideo anymore :) but I could just look at implementing a playlist or similar for mythvideo |
| [17:12:00] | simcop2387: | you don't? what do you use? |
| [17:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | The Internal myth player |
| [17:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | Same one that plays your recordings |
| [17:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | Keeps the controls and OSD consistant :) |
| [17:12:00] | simcop2387: | using CVS? |
| [17:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | Of course |
| [17:13:00] | simcop2387: | yea i haven't dared to do that yet |
| [17:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | But the Internal play was available in 0.18 |
| [17:13:00] | simcop2387: | i'll look into it |
| [17:13:00] | simcop2387: | now i need to get lunch |
| [17:14:00] | poonj: | anyone here own a PCHDTV-3000? |
| [17:17:00] | a1fa: | hey fellas |
| [17:17:00] | a1fa: | i am about to order pvr-500 |
| [17:17:00] | a1fa: | just a quick question, does pvr-500 use one input, then internally splits it into two tuners |
| [17:17:00] | a1fa: | or you ened to supply it with two cables? |
| [17:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | 1 Coax input and it's internally split |
| [17:18:00] | a1fa: | kewl |
| [17:18:00] | a1fa: | i am going to have a spliter .. one into tv and one into pvr |
| [17:18:00] | a1fa: | i like to channel surf, sometimes, and i hate it when it takes forever to tune into a channel |
| [17:18:00] | a1fa: | GreyFoxx : i fixed that audio lag/delay |
| [17:19:00] | a1fa: | i bumbped PCI latency to 64 |
| [17:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | Nifty |
| [17:20:00] | Gumby: | when using mythfrontend to view my recordings the up and down arrows seem to be working like page up/down instead of arrow up and down. this also happens in the tv guide. is there somewhere I can look to fix this? |
| [17:21:00] | Gumby: | browsing the other areas the same keys on the remote function as up/down. |
| [17:22:00] | Gumby: | and they are mapped to Up and Down, not pageup and pagedown |
| [17:22:00] | redbaritone: | Newbie here. Can I have a digital card (for ATSC over the air) and an analog cable card? For overlapping channels? |
| [17:24:00] | a1fa: | i also enabled DMA in Bios :p |
| [17:24:00] | a1fa: | for some reason DMA was set to disabled, but enabled within kernel |
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| [17:24:00] | a1fa: | i put it to Auto |
| [17:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | I always force it with hdparm in my init scripts. I've seen it not auto enabled by the kernel too many times |
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| [17:31:00] | a1fa: | yeah |
| [17:31:00] | a1fa: | but even if the kernel enables i |
| [17:31:00] | a1fa: | enables DMA, it wont work unless it is enabled in the BIOS |
| [17:32:00] | a1fa: | is it worth buying Hauppauge A/V Cable Set for PVR-150 / 250 / 350 / 500 |
| [17:32:00] | a1fa: | or does it allready come |
| [17:33:00] | a1fa: | with onboard s-video in |
| [17:37:00] | juski: | hometime.. :) |
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| [17:43:00] | ** a1fa is about to order pvr-500 ** | |
| [17:43:00] | a1fa: | :P |
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| [17:44:00] | MIW: | Any modeline gurus out there on the interwebs? |
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| [17:46:00] | a1fa: | NOOO! |
| [17:46:00] | a1fa: | IT IS ON BACKORDER |
| [17:46:00] | a1fa: | OMFG |
| [17:47:00] | a1fa: | nooooooooooooo |
| [17:47:00] | a1fa: | what does that mean |
| [17:47:00] | bill2or3: | ot means they're out, and waiting to get more. |
| [17:47:00] | a1fa: | that could be foreve |
| [17:47:00] | a1fa: | i had like ground shipping for $5 |
| [17:47:00] | a1fa: | it would be next day |
| [17:47:00] | a1fa: | with this oc |
| [17:47:00] | a1fa: | that sucks dude |
| [17:48:00] | a1fa: | anybody know an online store in TN, AR, LO, TX, or MO, AL that sells pvr-500? |
| [17:50:00] | kormoc: | uhh, why would it matter if it's a online store? |
| [17:50:00] | Krazylegz: | Those are states that a1fa does NOT live in? |
| [17:51:00] | kormoc: | he lives in a lot of states then |
| [17:51:00] | a1fa: | so they ship it ground |
| [17:51:00] | a1fa: | and it gets here the next dasy |
| [17:51:00] | a1fa: | no i live in AR |
| [17:51:00] | Krazylegz: | I wouldn't spread that around. :-P |
| [17:51:00] | a1fa: | when i buy from those states i get next day shipping for price of ground |
| [17:51:00] | a1fa: | Krazylegz : why is that? |
| [17:51:00] | Silence_: | a quick froogle shows a rash of out of stock for it. didn't check every single vendor though, just a handfull |
| [17:52:00] | Krazylegz: | a1fa: Just kidding. |
| [17:52:00] | a1fa: | yeah |
| [17:52:00] | a1fa: | same here |
| [17:52:00] | a1fa: | i checked the few |
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| [17:58:00] | a1fa: | anybody got a reliable online store? |
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| [17:58:00] | stoffel: | www.alternate.de ;) |
| [17:59:00] | kormoc: | a1fa, newegg or pcalchemy |
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| [17:59:00] | a1fa: | newegg is out |
| [17:59:00] | a1fa: | so is pcalchemy |
| [18:00:00] | a1fa: | i never bought anythin' on ebay but they have some w/ free shipping |
| [18:00:00] | kormoc: | it'll take a few days usually before they ship items |
| [18:00:00] | kormoc: | when I get things off of ebay, I pay same day it ends and it usually takes 2 to 4 days to get shipped |
| [18:01:00] | a1fa: | thats sucks |
| [18:01:00] | a1fa: | Note Stock expected on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 (today). |
| [18:01:00] | a1fa: | :P |
| [18:01:00] | a1fa: | i am just going to buy from this backorder |
| [18:01:00] | a1fa: | hopefully |
| [18:01:00] | a1fa: | it is ok |
| [18:01:00] | kormoc: | it depends on the seller, if they are a professional or some guy in a basement, and how much they care. |
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| [18:03:00] | a1fa: | (US $) Total: 143.80 |
| [18:04:00] | a1fa: | this better not be a script that reads Expected Stock $date('today'); |
| [18:04:00] | kormoc: | read the seller's feedback |
| [18:04:00] | a1fa: | its not ebay |
| [18:04:00] | a1fa: | provantage.com |
| [18:04:00] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [18:04:00] | a1fa: | they sent me the remote |
| [18:04:00] | a1fa: | it was here the next day |
| [18:04:00] | a1fa: | i was so impressed |
| [18:05:00] | a1fa: | and i payed like $5 for shipping |
| [18:05:00] | a1fa: | hopefully they dont fcuk me :p |
| [18:05:00] | a1fa: | (US $) Total: 143.80 |
| [18:05:00] | a1fa: | not a bad deal.. so lets see how long will i have to wait |
| [18:07:00] | a1fa: | ivtv driver, right? |
| [18:07:00] | kormoc: | yes |
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| [18:22:00] | simcop2387: | WTF! |
| [18:22:00] | Beirdo: | that's right |
| [18:22:00] | simcop2387: | mythtv isn't recording anything but it says it is |
| [18:24:00] | kormoc: | simcop2387, or is it recording everything but you're just blind? |
| [18:24:00] | simcop2387: | the files aren't being created |
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| [18:26:00] | simcop2387: | well that was fun ivtv just cause a kernel oops |
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| [18:27:00] | simcop2387: | i need to restart, and damn it it was working last night |
| [18:27:00] | simcop2387: | well lets upgrade ivtv while i'm at it |
| [18:28:00] | Beirdo: | wanna break anything else while you're at it? |
| [18:28:00] | simcop2387: | Beirdo: i'm using version 3.7k, what do you think of the 0.4.0 series? |
| [18:28:00] | kormoc: | sudo rm -rf / works well to break things |
| [18:28:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | I use 0.2.0rc3f or soemthing |
| [18:29:00] | Krazylegz: | kormoc: Things seem to go pretty well once you do that. |
| [18:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Me too :) |
| [18:29:00] | simcop2387: | Beirdo: ah, i've had minor problems with 3.7k, mostly dealing with audio |
| [18:29:00] | simcop2387: | and 0.2.0 doesn't support the 150 so i can't use it |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | well, what I have works for me, so I stick with it |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | it glitches occasionally, but no biggie |
| [18:31:00] | simcop2387: | if it didn't cause a kernel oops when i rmmod'd it then i wouldn't think of upgrading it |
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| [18:35:00] | simcop2387: | i think i remember seeing something about the 0.4.0 branch not like a preemptable kernel |
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| [18:43:00] | simcop2387: | ok new version installed |
| [18:43:00] | simcop2387: | brb |
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| [19:06:00] | Boonie: | need some help trying to get my soundd working |
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| [19:07:00] | Boonie: | suse 9.3 |
| [19:07:00] | Boonie: | sound is working in all apps except for mythtv |
| [19:08:00] | Boonie: | not sure on where to start looking in myth for the problem |
| [19:09:00] | jasta: | Boonie: mythtv-setup would be a good place to start ;) |
| [19:09:00] | jasta: | Or in its Setup screens. |
| [19:10:00] | jasta: | Figure out which device it's using, and how. |
| [19:10:00] | Boonie: | device as in capture card or sound system? |
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| [19:11:00] | Boonie: | I'm new to both linux and myth so bear with me :) |
| [19:11:00] | jasta: | If mythtv is using OSS, it will be attempting to write to a device like /dev/dsp. |
| [19:12:00] | jasta: | It will tell you this in its configuration. |
| [19:12:00] | Boonie: | is oss like alsa? |
| [19:12:00] | jasta: | Like ALSA? Yes. |
| [19:12:00] | Boonie: | ok, I know I"m using alsa |
| [19:12:00] | jasta: | And mythtv is probably using OSS. |
| [19:12:00] | Boonie: | I can tell myth to use alsa? |
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| [19:13:00] | jasta: | Yes. |
| [19:13:00] | Boonie: | where would I tell it that? |
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| [19:14:00] | simcop2387: | seems to be working better no more oddities in dmesg |
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| [19:18:00] | simcop2387: | Boonie: for the audio device instead of /dev/dsp you'll want to say something like ALSA:default |
| [19:18:00] | ** xris fails miserably at ssh'ing into the new barcode scanner ** | |
| [19:18:00] | Boonie: | simcop2387: I would find that enty in mythtv-setup? |
| [19:19:00] | simcop2387: | hold on a sec |
| [19:19:00] | jasta: | Boonie: Yes, among other places. Read the mythtv documentation. |
| [19:19:00] | xris: | Boonie: I think it's in the frontend config for output |
| [19:19:00] | Boonie: | k |
| [19:19:00] | simcop2387: | jasta: for playback its in mythfrontend |
| [19:19:00] | Boonie: | will try that now |
| [19:20:00] | simcop2387: | Boonie: mythfrontend->setup->generalk |
| [19:21:00] | Boonie: | thnx |
| [19:21:00] | Boonie: | have to reboot |
| [19:21:00] | Boonie: | comp is acting weird |
| [19:21:00] | simcop2387: | for what? |
| [19:22:00] | simcop2387: | its linux how can it act weird! |
| [19:22:00] | Boonie: | lol |
| [19:22:00] | sandos: | =) |
| [19:22:00] | Boonie: | myth isn't responding |
| [19:22:00] | kormoc: | killall -9 mythfrontend |
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| [19:23:00] | xris: | aha! telnet, not ssh |
| [19:23:00] | jasta: | morning xris. |
| [19:23:00] | jasta: | my car got towed today :( |
| [19:23:00] | ** xris got a new toy ** | |
| [19:23:00] | xris: | lame |
| [19:24:00] | jasta: | had to go get it in ballard before work. |
| [19:24:00] | jasta: | very lame. |
| [19:24:00] | jasta: | $90 + $40 ticket. |
| [19:24:00] | xris: | very |
| [19:24:00] | jasta: | but i got it back at least |
| [19:25:00] | kormoc: | ouch |
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| [19:26:00] | Boonie: | simcop2387: alsa is not a choice in the output settings |
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| [19:57:00] | DonLKSAB: | Hi all |
| [19:57:00] | DonLKSAB: | Im trying to get my LCD TV to be widescreen from the DVI port |
| [19:57:00] | DonLKSAB: | My modeline: |
| [19:57:00] | DonLKSAB: | ModeLine "1360x768" 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -HSync +VSync |
| [19:58:00] | DonLKSAB: | But it wont be wide |
| [19:58:00] | DonLKSAB: | Any idea why? |
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| [20:00:00] | ilusr: | hi everyone was hoping for some help on a black screen when clicking "watch tv" under the latest build of mythtv.. have pvr350 card and everything tested out fine outside of myth. found out that if i run mythtv and then open another window to type "/usr/bin/intvctl -p 4" the live tv starts working. is this a configuration file problem in myth? any help is much appreciated |
| [20:04:00] | SqWaw: | you might want to put that line into a script and make it run it at boot so that everytime u click watch tv, its works |
| [20:04:00] | SqWaw: | i dunno tho, im just a lowly newbie. |
| [20:05:00] | ilusr: | lol at the end of my rope i tried that – unfortunately the problem also exists when recording shows so whatever capture program myth is using is getting the wrong params i think |
| [20:07:00] | paulz`: | maybe myth is only calling ivtvctl and not /usr/bin/intvctl |
| [20:07:00] | paulz`: | maybe /usr/bin isn't in the PATH env variable |
| [20:08:00] | ilusr: | good idea.. checking |
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| [20:08:00] | ulme: | can anyone help me with this – which TV-tuner card to buy |
| [20:08:00] | ulme: | must be cheap-end |
| [20:08:00] | ilusr: | ugh it's there in the path just fine |
| [20:09:00] | paulz`: | :( |
| [20:09:00] | ulme: | i can provide a list of cards available where i live |
| [20:09:00] | ulme: | like this |
| [20:09:00] | ulme: | http://www.hinnavaatlus.ee/search/products/?C . . . 0&Sort=3 |
| [20:09:00] | ilusr: | any idea what files mythtv calls when you click watch tv and record? i could probably just tweak there |
| [20:09:00] | Chutt: | why the hell would it call anything? |
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| [20:10:00] | ilusr: | shouldn't it call another program/module/config file at least? |
| [20:10:00] | Chutt: | uh, no? |
| [20:10:00] | Chutt: | why would it? |
| [20:10:00] | tux_rulez: | ulme: Did you ask here yet? |
| [20:11:00] | ulme: | yes |
| [20:11:00] | ilusr: | because it needs to know where to look for configuration e.g. which component line to use |
| [20:11:00] | ulme: | and just pasted the link |
| [20:11:00] | ulme: | to the available models list |
| [20:11:00] | Chutt: | why would it need a |
| [20:11:00] | Chutt: | 'component line'? |
| [20:11:00] | paulz`: | component line input |
| [20:12:00] | FITH: | have your tv watching program call another program to watch tv... sounds, uh, complicated :) |
| [20:12:00] | paulz`: | but it does FITH |
| [20:12:00] | paulz`: | it calls ivtv |
| [20:12:00] | ilusr: | yup |
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| [20:12:00] | Chutt: | ivtv isn't a program. |
| [20:12:00] | ulme: | i live in the USSR so i can't just say what i want, i must choose between the bad and the worst :) |
| [20:12:00] | ilusr: | paul – is there a config file that mythtv uses to make those calls? like some ivtv configuration? |
| [20:12:00] | Chutt: | there are no calls |
| [20:13:00] | Chutt: | all configuration is done in mythtv-setup. |
| [20:13:00] | paulz`: | when you run mythtv-setup it asks whether you want to keep your card configuration |
| [20:13:00] | paulz`: | so if you ran ivtvctl -p 4 it should inherit that setting |
| [20:13:00] | Chutt: | uh] |
| [20:13:00] | Chutt: | no, it shouldn't. |
| [20:13:00] | paulz`: | no? |
| [20:13:00] | Chutt: | why would it? |
| [20:13:00] | ilusr: | yeah i tried that but it appears to whack the setting when you run mythtv |
| [20:13:00] | tux_rulez: | Which TV-tuner card did people here suggest? |
| [20:14:00] | Chutt: | it doesn't 'whack the setting'. |
| [20:14:00] | ilusr: | i think chutt is drunk or confused |
| [20:14:00] | Chutt: | i think i wrote the damn program, and i know what i'm talking about. |
| [20:14:00] | Chutt: | and, uh, you don't. |
| [20:15:00] | ilusr: | what's with the attitude? cat up your ass? |
| [20:15:00] | paulz`: | seriously |
| [20:15:00] | Chutt: | what attitude? |
| [20:15:00] | paulz`: | ......... |
| [20:15:00] | tux_rulez: | Pipe it to /dev/null |
| [20:15:00] | ** Beirdo hands Chutt the baseball bat ** | |
| [20:16:00] | Beirdo: | play whack-a-luser |
| [20:16:00] | Beirdo: | err. user |
| [20:16:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:16:00] | ilusr: | nice one beirdo |
| [20:16:00] | beavis: | is geoff sometimes here around? |
| [20:16:00] | Chutt: | no |
| [20:17:00] | beavis: | geoff mpeg2fix |
| [20:17:00] | beavis: | ok |
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| [20:25:00] | tux_rulez: | can anyone help me with this – which TV-tuner card to buy |
| [20:25:00] | paulz`: | chutt can help berate you |
| [20:25:00] | kormoc: | tux_rulez, win pvr 150 |
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| [20:26:00] | ulme: | pretty hopeless topic.. sure thing is to buy happuge PVR-350 or so |
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| [20:26:00] | Chutt: | i was asking why you both thought it was using an external program to set up driver parameters |
| [20:26:00] | Chutt: | never got an answer. |
| [20:26:00] | ulme: | but that's not the option for me |
| [20:27:00] | Boonie: | where does myth store the live tv cache? |
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| [20:27:00] | kormoc: | Boonie, where you tell it to in mythsetup? |
| [20:28:00] | Boonie: | I told it to store recordings to /mnt/store |
| [20:28:00] | Boonie: | but is the cache considered a recording by myth? |
| [20:28:00] | kormoc: | Boonie, there's a second setting for the live tv |
| [20:28:00] | kormoc: | no it's not |
| [20:28:00] | Boonie: | hmmm |
| [20:28:00] | tux_rulez: | What ever happend about the broadcast flag? |
| [20:28:00] | Boonie: | don't remember |
| [20:28:00] | kormoc: | tux_rulez, it got turned down for now |
| [20:29:00] | Boonie: | where in the setup would I find it? |
| [20:29:00] | kormoc: | I don't have it memorized, you might as well look around and see if you can find it |
| [20:29:00] | Boonie: | k |
| [20:29:00] | Boonie: | thnx |
| [20:30:00] | laga: | Boonie: it's in the first entry |
| [20:30:00] | Chutt: | same screen that the recordings path was set. |
| [20:31:00] | Chutt: | in fact, it's right next to it. |
| [20:31:00] | Chutt: | so it's confusing to see how someone could see one, but not the other. |
| [20:31:00] | tux_rulez: | So you can use Linux video in the USA for now, before the FCC comes to your house with assault riffles. |
| [20:31:00] | ilusr: | hi everyone was hoping for some help on a black screen when clicking "watch tv" under the latest build of mythtv.. have pvr350 card and everything tested out fine outside of myth. found out that if i run mythtv and then open another window to type "/usr/bin/intvctl -p 4" live tv shows up without a problem. any thoughts on getting mythtv to do this without the hack? |
| [20:31:00] | Chutt: | tell myth to use the proper input? |
| [20:34:00] | ilusr: | chutt i tried setting all the inputs on the card under "capture card setup" and tried viewing after each one without success. i had mythbackend running while i did the change. is there anything i need to do to get the setting to take? |
| [20:34:00] | ilusr: | because on the tv i get "composite 0" regardless of which input i set |
| [20:34:00] | Boonie: | thanks all, it was stored in the same folder |
| [20:35:00] | laga: | ilusr: maybe you need to fiddle with the stuff under "input connections" or however it's called. |
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| [20:36:00] | ilusr: | thanks – going through that now but it doesn't seem to work. for example, i set /dev/video0 to "composite 4" but it still show up "composite 0" on screen when i try to view the tv |
| [20:37:00] | ilusr: | is there a way to change the setting outside mythtv? i'm not sure that it's doing the change i'm telling it to |
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| [20:40:00] | Chutt: | you need to restart the backend. |
| [20:41:00] | ilusr: | ok thanks |
| [20:41:00] | Chutt: | and only have inputs bound that actually exist. |
| [20:41:00] | ilusr: | yup check on that – only setting one thing right now |
| [20:41:00] | Chutt: | the inputs are in order, too, and 0 based |
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| [20:41:00] | Chutt: | so -p 4 with ivtvctl would be whatever the 5th in the input connections list is. |
| [20:42:00] | Chutt: | since both programs get that info from the driver. |
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| [20:43:00] | simcop2387: | Boonie: you need to type it in manually, its not in there by default, ALSA:default |
| [20:43:00] | ilusr: | hmm so it's one of those regardless of that it actually says kinds of things huh? the 5th default input selection is "s-video 3" while i know it's not an s-video output |
| [20:43:00] | simcop2387: | just type that in the box |
| [20:43:00] | paulz`: | ilusr: i'm having a similar problem |
| [20:44:00] | paulz`: | i used to have a composite 4 input, but it's gone now since doing some upgrades |
| [20:44:00] | Chutt: | ilusr, on the 'connection input' screen. |
| [20:44:00] | ilusr: | ah right i found that |
| [20:44:00] | Chutt: | input connections screen. |
| [20:44:00] | ilusr: | chutt – got it |
| [20:44:00] | ilusr: | i think it might just be an ivtv problem during bootup |
| [20:44:00] | Chutt: | the default input list might be sorted differently. |
| [20:45:00] | ilusr: | have a feeling a saw an error message |
| [20:45:00] | ilusr: | chutt: you're right on the setup .. now have the right one matching |
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| [20:47:00] | ilusr: | thanks for that |
| [20:47:00] | Kernel-Kris: | does anyone have a copy of ivtv0.4 as the ivtvdriver page has been down since 1pm EST and im trying to set up my PVR |
| [20:49:00] | Kernel-Kris: | please....someone anyone |
| [20:49:00] | ilusr: | anyone know how to view the fedora logs from the boot process? i'm trying to track down a "fatal error" message |
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| [20:49:00] | Kernel-Kris: | dmesg |less |
| [20:50:00] | ilusr: | thanks |
| [20:50:00] | Kernel-Kris: | no do you have a copy of ivtv i cant have.......the damn site is down |
| [20:51:00] | Kernel-Kris: | *now sorry.... |
| [20:52:00] | Kernel-Kris: | out of the 168 people in here surely someone has a copy of ivtv they could spare |
| [20:52:00] | Chutt: | stop making a nuisance of yourself, and maybe someone will. |
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| [20:53:00] | Kernel-Kris: | Chutt: what would you like me to do............use ESP and hope someone gets my telepathic message that i need a damn copy of ivtv........ |
| [20:54:00] | Chutt: | ask once, then wait? |
| [20:54:00] | Kernel-Kris: | ok ..sorry |
| [20:54:00] | travolta-: | isnt ivtv hosted at sourceforge? sourceforge is down? |
| [20:55:00] | Kernel-Kris: | no they changed sites......ivtvdriver.org..... |
| [20:57:00] | Kernel-Kris: | and the site worked all morning up untill two hours ago........... |
| [20:57:00] | Kernel-Kris: | (when i needed it)..... |
| [20:57:00] | kormoc: | I think likly you're just gonna have to wait till it's up |
| [20:57:00] | Kernel-Kris: | i thought that maybe someone in here would still have a copy ..... |
| [20:58:00] | kormoc: | I usually do, but I cleaned out my distfiles recently |
| [20:58:00] | laga: | distfiles. |
| [20:58:00] | laga: | Kernel-Kris: look at some random gentoo mirror. |
| [20:58:00] | kormoc: | laga, gentoo isn't mirroring it yet |
| [20:58:00] | kormoc: | I just checked the mirrors |
| [20:58:00] | laga: | sad. |
| [20:58:00] | Kernel-Kris: | lol.....thanks guys |
| [20:59:00] | kormoc: | Kernel-Kris, you can check in #mythtv-gentoo and ask (once) if any of them have a copy in their distfiles directory. |
| [20:59:00] | kormoc: | or is it #myth-gentoo? |
| [20:59:00] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [21:00:00] | kormoc: | ahh #gentoo-mythtv |
| [21:01:00] | Kernel-Kris: | thanks |
| [21:01:00] | simcop2387: | you know what i want, livetv+recording PIP |
| [21:02:00] | ilusr: | having an apparent problem on boot during the ivtv setup with the pvr350 card. error is "ivtv0: unable to open firmware" – anyone come across this problem? |
| [21:03:00] | kormoc: | ilusr, ivtv can't find the firmware files it needs to load |
| [21:03:00] | ilusr: | right – it's in the directory with the right permissions however |
| [21:04:00] | kormoc: | incorrect firmware version/files? |
| [21:04:00] | ilusr: | it's possible though i just grabbed the latest off of atrpms.net the other night |
| [21:04:00] | ilusr: | i'll have another look when the site comes back up |
| [21:04:00] | kormoc: | the firmware doesn't come with ivtv |
| [21:05:00] | ilusr: | there was a package at atrpms called "ivtv-firmware" – maybe i naively took it too quickly |
| [21:05:00] | kormoc: | welp then maybe they have started to package it |
| [21:06:00] | simcop2387: | kickass! version 0.4.0 got radio working! |
| [21:06:00] | kormoc: | my understanding was it wasn't legal to do so. |
| [21:06:00] | ilusr: | lol don't tell! |
| [21:06:00] | Kernel-Kris: | i wish i had version 0.4.0 |
| [21:07:00] | simcop2387: | Kernel-Kris: this is ivtv |
| [21:07:00] | simcop2387: | too bad i can't use radio and tv at the same time :( |
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| [21:07:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: what do you mean this is ivtv |
| [21:08:00] | simcop2387: | version 0.4.0 of ivtv got the radio working on my pvr150 |
| [21:08:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: i know.....thats what im trying to get.... |
| [21:09:00] | simcop2387: | what problem with it are you having? |
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| [21:09:00] | simcop2387: | need the .tar.gz? |
| [21:09:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: yes |
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| [21:10:00] | simcop2387: | http://vdiddy.sexypenguins.net/~ryan/ivtv-0.4.0.tar.gz |
| [21:10:00] | simcop2387: | just downloaded it about 2 hours ago and installed it |
| [21:10:00] | simcop2387: | works great |
| [21:10:00] | simcop2387: | quality slightly improved over 3.7k too |
| [21:11:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: that link doesnt work for me.... |
| [21:11:00] | simcop2387: | what? |
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| [21:11:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: http://vdiddy.sexypenguins.net/~ryan/ivtv-0.4.0.tar.gz doenst work |
| [21:12:00] | simcop2387: | hrm dang my ip changed |
| [21:12:00] | simcop2387: | got ipv6? |
| [21:13:00] | Kernel-Kris: | yes |
| [21:13:00] | simcop2387: | wait try this one http://vdiddy.bounceme.net/~ryan/ivtv-0.4.0.tar.gz |
| [21:13:00] | Cairan: | howdy... Hey guys, I'm out of the country for the next 6 months and my home box is set to record shows back home, but I would like to have it cut the ads away -before- downloading them... Also, is there a way to remotely set a transcoding for recorded shows, from MPEG-2 (PVR-250s) to MPEG4, via MythWeb or command line?? |
| [21:14:00] | simcop2387: | should be able to tell it to automatically transcode them after recording |
| [21:15:00] | Cairan: | in MythWeb?? |
| [21:15:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: thank you so much ive been trying to get that all day |
| [21:15:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: do you run a large network |
| [21:15:00] | simcop2387: | Kernel-Kris: nope, just my dorm room pc |
| [21:16:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: i run a county network and im looking for IPv6 peers im also giving v6 subnetts out to my peers |
| [21:16:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: do you have a wrt54g |
| [21:16:00] | simcop2387: | what do you mean peers? i'm just on a tunnel |
| [21:17:00] | simcop2387: | nope |
| [21:17:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: what are you using to tunnel |
| [21:18:00] | simcop2387: | hexago |
| [21:19:00] | simcop2387: | its also known as freenet6 |
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| [21:23:00] | simcop2387: | Kernel-Kris: so what exactly are you setting up ipv6 for? the entire county's school's facilities? |
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| [21:23:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: well inorder to become a peer with me youll have to have a static IP and a device capable of IP/GRE tunneling.....ive been setting up wrt54g routers with linux and spanning a complet BGP table to them.....i really just set it up for the fun of it........and to say ....that we had it before anyone else in the area |
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| [21:23:00] | simcop2387: | ah i can do that with my kernel as it is |
| [21:24:00] | simcop2387: | just don't know exactly how |
| [21:24:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: do you have IM |
| [21:24:00] | simcop2387: | all networks except gadu-gadu |
| [21:24:00] | Kernel-Kris: | crazy_kirk@hotmail.com |
| [21:24:00] | paulz`: | think we'll ever move to ipv6? |
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| [21:25:00] | paulz`: | i think they'll do a lot more private addressing for years before a move to ipv6 |
| [21:25:00] | Kernel-Kris: | paulz`: not in the near future as large networks have surrendered there netblocks and begun using PAT/NAT |
| [21:26:00] | Kernel-Kris: | simcop2387: i will explain how to do it if you want on IM |
| [21:26:00] | simcop2387: | sure |
| [21:26:00] | Kernel-Kris: | just IM me |
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| [21:28:00] | simcop2387: | mythtv needs a radio plugin |
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| [22:12:00] | mofu: | be verwy, verwy, qwiet, we're hunting wabbits . . . . . |
| [22:12:00] | Boonie: | need some help with an error I am getting when trying to start up the backend |
| [22:12:00] | Boonie: | is there a place I can paste it to? |
| [22:12:00] | Boonie: | don't want to get in trouble for spamming the channel |
| [22:12:00] | mofu: | pastebin.com/ca |
| [22:12:00] | mofu: | com or ca |
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| [22:13:00] | ilusr: | hey everyone i've completed install and configuration of mythtv with the latest stable release and a pvr350. i believe i've configured the card and inputs correctly in mythtv. i have a problem, however, with being unable to view live tv or record programs unless i start mythtv and then open another console to type "/usr/bin/ivtvctl -p 4" then i can click live tv and it works. if i start recording and then run the command, i can al |
| [22:13:00] | Krazylegz: | Tell MythTV to use the right input in mythtv-setup. |
| [22:14:00] | ilusr: | i think i've matched the inputs (and tried all the others to be sure) |
| [22:15:00] | Boonie: | http://pastebin.com/430955 |
| [22:15:00] | mofu: | I think I've seen some notes about 350 being buggy in 18.1, you might need something slightly newer from SVN, not the latest though |
| [22:15:00] | Boonie: | there's the error |
| [22:15:00] | Boonie: | mofu: thanks :) |
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| [22:16:00] | ilusr: | mofu: that might be the problem, thanks. any thoughts on being able to hack the existing build with the command i mentioned? |
| [22:16:00] | mofu: | Bonnie, what version is this? Upgrading? |
| [22:16:00] | Boonie: | wasn't upgrading |
| [22:17:00] | mofu: | new install? |
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| [22:17:00] | Boonie: | the latest rev as of 3 weeks ago |
| [22:17:00] | Boonie: | nope |
| [22:17:00] | Boonie: | I had to manually delete some recording from /mnt/store cuz it filled my hd and I could only start suse in command line |
| [22:17:00] | mofu: | just started doing this all of a sudden? did you change something |
| [22:18:00] | Boonie: | so I think the db got wacky |
| [22:18:00] | Boonie: | new to linux and myth |
| [22:18:00] | mofu: | looks like it . . . nuke it . . . |
| [22:18:00] | mofu: | of course you wll have to nuke all your recordings too |
| [22:18:00] | Boonie: | how do I kill it and start from scratch? |
| [22:18:00] | Boonie: | don't care about them |
| [22:19:00] | Boonie: | just want to get it working again |
| [22:19:00] | mofu: | Boonie: if you are new to this you really should stick w/ 0.18.1, why are you using svn? |
| [22:19:00] | kormoc: | ilusr, no, you can't just hack in a command like that into the build, you'll need to download source and compile it yourself with the command inserted into it. |
| [22:20:00] | mofu: | ilusr: you have to do that EVERYTIME, or just once? Can you do it before mythfrontend starts |
| [22:20:00] | Boonie: | mofu: I am running 18.1.3 |
| [22:20:00] | Boonie: | sry, I should have said latest stable release |
| [22:21:00] | mofu: | oh, ok |
| [22:21:00] | mofu: | thought you meant LATEST, LATEST . . . . |
| [22:21:00] | Boonie: | heh, no |
| [22:21:00] | Boonie: | not that brave yet |
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| [22:22:00] | mofu: | did you apt-get upgrade or anything?? |
| [22:22:00] | Boonie: | I don't think so |
| [22:22:00] | Boonie: | I installed from rpm's |
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| [22:24:00] | Boonie: | will I have to remove myth and reinstall it to get the database working again? |
| [22:24:00] | ilusr: | got it working thanks to everyone! |
| [22:25:00] | ilusr: | time to veg out in front of the tv and pause intermittently ;) |
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| [22:25:00] | mofu: | Boonie: deleting the database is covered in the docs |
| [22:25:00] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: you around? |
| [22:25:00] | Boonie: | ok |
| [22:26:00] | Boonie: | time for some reading :) |
| [22:26:00] | Boonie: | mofu: deleting AND rebuilding? |
| [22:26:00] | kormoc: | rebuilding is the same as building |
| [22:26:00] | Boonie: | k |
| [22:27:00] | mofu: | for rebuilding look for database install |
| [22:27:00] | mofu: | yep |
| [22:27:00] | Boonie: | thanks |
| [22:27:00] | mofu: | very bizzare that you would a problem like that w/0.18.1, unless something else is wrong |
| [22:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: for the moment |
| [22:29:00] | Juski: | been tweaking the theme ;) |
| [22:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | cool :) |
| [22:30:00] | Juski: | got it to work regardless of scaling.. lose some texture effect but hey |
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| [22:30:00] | Chutt: | theme? |
| [22:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | What native res are youmaking it for ? |
| [22:30:00] | mofu: | 1280x768 is correct . . . . |
| [22:30:00] | Juski: | 720x576 right now |
| [22:30:00] | mofu: | lol |
| [22:31:00] | Juski: | Chutt: been mucking about with a theme idea |
| [22:32:00] | mofu: | anyone know if a feature to cache theme images after resizing, so you only resize once? |
| [22:32:00] | Juski: | yeh.. it's called *themecache* |
| [22:32:00] | Chutt: | just so you know – 4:3 UI themes should be authored at 800x600, OSD themes authored at 640x480, and widescreen themes at 1280x720 |
| [22:32:00] | mofu: | been added? |
| [22:32:00] | Chutt: | at 100dpi |
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| [22:32:00] | Chutt: | the theme images are cached, have been forever. |
| [22:32:00] | Juski: | Chutt: noted.. I'm only messing about right now |
| [22:33:00] | Chutt: | unless you can't write to ~/.mythtv/ for some reason. |
| [22:33:00] | Boonie: | what is the command for mysql to prompt you to enter the password? |
| [22:33:00] | bill2or3: | -p |
| [22:34:00] | Boonie: | thanks :) |
| [22:34:00] | Boonie: | what does -u do? |
| [22:34:00] | mofu: | user |
| [22:34:00] | Boonie: | ?bobbob? |
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| [22:35:00] | Boonie: | sry, wrong chat |
| [22:35:00] | Juski: | right.. gonna give the graphics bashing a rest for now. need sleep |
| [22:36:00] | Juski: | then have *big* blitz at the weekend to finish this thing |
| [22:36:00] | Juski: | night all |
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| [22:44:00] | mofu: | holy $hit, ebay is down . . . |
| [22:44:00] | purplefrog: | So, with the Nokia 770 debuting in the US soon, how long before we have a mythfrontend for it? |
| [22:45:00] | mofu: | I think we'd need on-the-fly transcoding . . . . MPEG1&4 only . . . . |
| [22:46:00] | mofu: | 770 on the Christmas list . . . . |
| [22:46:00] | Rei_Toi: | mofu: ebay works for me... can't get to atrpms tho... |
| [22:46:00] | purplefrog: | Oh. My Hauppauge card spits out MPEG2, and it's mostly backward -compatible. As long as you're not doing repeat_first_field shit. |
| [22:46:00] | NightMonkey: | ivtvdriver.org down? |
| [22:46:00] | mofu: | must me a major DNS or Pipe failure |
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| [22:46:00] | purplefrog: | I was having difficulty reaching slashdot earlier in the day, but can never tell whether to blame the local internet or the global internet. |
| [22:47:00] | mofu: | I think we have a global problem right now |
| [22:47:00] | Rei_Toi: | yeah, I got a connection refused on ivtvdriver.org just now |
| [22:47:00] | mofu: | Safari can?t open the page ?http://ebay.com/? because it could not connect to the server ?ebay.com?. |
| [22:48:00] | purplefrog: | Maybe the europeans are trying to steal The Internet from ICANN :) |
| [22:48:00] | gr00ve: | hello. does anyone know the "best" resolution / bitrate settings to use in a recording profile for a PVR150 or PVR350 for ntsc sdtv? i want to record with as artifact-free of a picture as possible, without wasting disk space. |
| [22:49:00] | purplefrog: | Anyway, imagine your video is already MPEG2 or MPEG4. Think Nokia 770 :) |
| [22:49:00] | mofu: | wasting disk space is such a subjective, personal opinion . . . |
| [22:49:00] | purplefrog: | gr00ve: the CableLabs VOD spec is 3.75Mbits/sec 352x480 resolution. |
| [22:49:00] | gr00ve: | well, that's _your_ opinion, but no it's really not. |
| [22:49:00] | gr00ve: | if sdtv can't resolve anything above say 480x480, then it' |
| [22:50:00] | gr00ve: | most certainly IS wasted space to encode at anything above that... |
| [22:50:00] | Beirdo: | actually, depends on what you want to do with the video |
| [22:50:00] | gr00ve: | watch it on my SDTV. |
| [22:50:00] | Beirdo: | if you ever plan to make DVDs... record it at 720x480 |
| [22:50:00] | mofu: | gr00ve: also depends on how good your source reception is . . . . |
| [22:50:00] | gr00ve: | i'm not trying to burn it to a higher quality format or anything |
| [22:50:00] | Beirdo: | will save you a LOT of trouble later |
| [22:50:00] | gr00ve: | yeah, i get that, but for now i'm just watching regular shows... |
| [22:51:00] | Beirdo: | otherwise, 352x480 will likely do you OK, but you'd have to fiddle bitrates until you are satisfied |
| [22:51:00] | purplefrog: | gr00ve: try 352x480. If you don't like it, start creeping up: 480x480, 512x480, 640x480. |
| [22:51:00] | mofu: | also how big a screen you are planning on playing back on . . . . 480x480 will look like crap on a big screen |
| [22:51:00] | wvolz: | Is anyone running SVN 7738 and having problems with mythtranscode creating files that are larger than their supposed to be with video that is messed up? |
| [22:51:00] | Beirdo: | I record everything at 720x480 at 6000kbit (If I remember right) |
| [22:51:00] | gr00ve: | i'm not sure where to start with bitrates... i take it 2200 isn't so high? |
| [22:51:00] | purplefrog: | Like i said: CableLabs says 3.75Mbits. |
| [22:51:00] | Beirdo: | for mpeg2, that's a bit low, I think |
| [22:51:00] | Beirdo: | just play |
| [22:52:00] | gr00ve: | Bierdo – i'm assuming that's about as good as it gets, visually? |
| [22:52:00] | Beirdo: | find what you like :) |
| [22:52:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, other than when watching hockey |
| [22:52:00] | gr00ve: | okay. just looking for a starting point. |
| [22:52:00] | Beirdo: | for that it just sucks |
| [22:52:00] | purplefrog: | Well, Tandberg SD encoders go up to 17 Mbits I think. |
| [22:52:00] | Beirdo: | and it's taking 2.2G/hr |
| [22:52:00] | purplefrog: | Their HD encoders go up to 110Mbits. |
| [22:53:00] | gr00ve: | dayum. for what it's worth i'm using a lowly 27" screen. |
| [22:53:00] | Beirdo: | but don't worry about wasting disk |
| [22:53:00] | Beirdo: | just get more disk, you'll be happier in the long run :) |
| [22:53:00] | purplefrog: | I bought a 300G seagate SATA for $140 at Fry's with $40 rebate. |
| [22:53:00] | gr00ve: | i've been using 544x480 but i think that's more resolution than i might need. i think the problem i've been having is that i've been using higher resolutions and lower bitrates. should be looking at it the other way i think |
| [22:54:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:54:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, lower resolution, higher bitrate good for quality |
| [22:54:00] | Beirdo: | of course filesize depends on one thing... bitrate |
| [22:54:00] | mofu: | 4:3 resolution is easier to playback on a 4:3 screen |
| [22:54:00] | gr00ve: | okay, thanks all. |
| [22:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use 544x480 @4MBits for all of my stuff |
| [22:55:00] | gr00ve: | the other question i have is that i tried( i don't need to do this i realize now, but i'm still curious ) |
| [22:55:00] | purplefrog: | My friends tell me it is best to record at a high bit rate, then transcode in software to MPEG4 at a lower bitrate. Assuming the software codecs are as good as they say, that's the best solution. |
| [22:55:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:55:00] | gr00ve: | to transcode to mpeg4, and everytime i do that everything looks rainbow artifacted... can't figure out why |
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| [22:55:00] | Beirdo: | well that once again depends on your final use |
| [22:56:00] | Beirdo: | rainbowing? isn't that chroma/luma issues? I can't remember anymore |
| [22:56:00] | gr00ve: | i'm not sure whether it's settings i used or what... before i was doing tvout on an nvidia or pvr350 card i remember that working properly. |
| [22:56:00] | purplefrog: | gr00ve: if you're changing resolutions, that might cause problems. |
| [22:56:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm taking a nap |
| [22:56:00] | Beirdo: | seeya |
| [22:56:00] | purplefrog: | I'll be leaving work soon. |
| [22:57:00] | gr00ve: | i'm not sure what the cause is. i set it to not resize, and it's staying 544x480, but no matter what checkboxes i tick off it always comes back corrupted like that. |
| [22:57:00] | gr00ve: | thanks for the advice. |
| [22:57:00] | gr00ve: | sorry about the dev channel – just didn't realize where i was at first. |
| [22:57:00] | purplefrog: | Beirdo: dream of Mythfrontend on a Nokia 770. |
| [22:57:00] | Beirdo: | good luck. a bit of fiddling will get you best results |
| [22:57:00] | gr00ve: | nod. |
| [22:57:00] | wvolz: | gr00ve which version are you running? |
| [22:57:00] | gr00ve: | svn-7738 |
| [22:57:00] | wvolz: | interesting |
| [22:58:00] | gr00ve: | how so? |
| [22:58:00] | wvolz: | are your transcoded files larger than they were before? |
| [22:58:00] | gr00ve: | if i understand correctly that's the last version before the livetv cutoff |
| [22:58:00] | wvolz: | right |
| [22:58:00] | gr00ve: | nope. BUT i've only done a few test transcodings with half hour shows. |
| [22:58:00] | wvolz: | What type of tuner are you using? |
| [22:58:00] | gr00ve: | i think however that during the transcode i noticed the .tmp file was HUGE |
| [22:59:00] | gr00ve: | and that alarmed the heck out of me, but when it finished it was a bit smaller than the original. not half – maybe 70% or so |
| [22:59:00] | gr00ve: | i'm using a pvr150, and a 350. |
| [22:59:00] | wvolz: | ok |
| [22:59:00] | simon_c: | Hi all. I'm trying to get nuvexport to run and it is complaining that "This host not configured for myth" Does it have to run on a backend, or can it run on a frontend too ? |
| [23:00:00] | gr00ve: | i have a few other odd problems... things like the darn tuners seeming to revert to mono audio at times. that's almost surely an ivtv issue... |
| [23:00:00] | wvolz: | which rev of ivtv are you running? |
| [23:02:00] | wvolz: | every recording I run transcode on ends up huge, easily double if not triple the size it was before and the video is really messed up |
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| [23:04:00] | gr00ve: | net connection's hosing... sorry. |
| [23:04:00] | gr00ve: | i'm running ivtv-4.0 |
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| [23:06:00] | gr00ve: | oh well, time to split and head home for some more mucking around... |
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| [23:15:00] | SqWaw: | AFK |
| [23:15:00] | sphing: | how successful have people been with the myth and 1394 ports on cable boxes |
| [23:16:00] | simon_c: | Is there a key you can press to generate a screenshot to replace the automatic one ? |
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| [23:16:00] | sphing: | the automatic one? |
| [23:16:00] | wvolz: | man speaking of horrible connections... |
| [23:17:00] | wvolz: | gr00ve if your still around, I've run into issues with ivtv-0.4.0 |
| [23:17:00] | wvolz: | you might try reverting to 0.2.0 |
| [23:17:00] | simon_c: | sphing: The picture the system generates that is then used in mythweb |
| [23:17:00] | sphing: | ah i wasnt sure if you were talking about an OS screen ... i was confused |
| [23:18:00] | simon_c: | :-) |
| [23:23:00] | simon_c: | Anybody know nuvexport much here ? It looks to me like the code is looking for a config value of RecordFilePrefix to locate the video directory, and not using VideoStartupDir |
| [23:27:00] | simon_c: | Hummmm. It looks to me like the data base nuvexport is expecting to run against, isn't the same database that is in 0.18.1 |
| [23:27:00] | simon_c: | Anyone about who can confirm that ? |
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| [23:43:00] | tremendous: | all my sound (whether in mythtv or otherwise) is half a second late. i'm using alsa, and my motherboard's onboard sound. any idea what could be causing it? |
| [23:44:00] | tremendous: | and in other news i don't know if any of you were around last night, but i got xv video working fine with the ATI 64 bit drivers on the onboard radeon x200, which apparently isn't supported. had no problems at all. |
| [23:45:00] | mofu: | tremendous: is this a laptop? |
| [23:45:00] | tremendous: | no, but only room for one expansion card, which will be the tv card |
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| [23:46:00] | mofu: | k, just asking because i think my turion64 laptop has ati x200 video |
| [23:47:00] | tremendous: | you can't get it working, or you wan? |
| [23:47:00] | tremendous: | can |
| [23:48:00] | mofu: | no, right now that's my windows pc, only one in the house, everything else is Apple or Linux |
| [23:49:00] | tremendous: | i see |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, so what driver did you use? |
| [23:49:00] | tremendous: | the one on the ati website |
| [23:49:00] | tremendous: | ati linux 64 bit radeon driver |
| [23:49:00] | tremendous: | it complained that it couldn't find a suitable device, but i told it "FO" and everything worked fine |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | given you said you had no problems installing it, it took you a very long time to do so |
| [23:49:00] | mofu: | nice to know, does part of it have to be compiled against the kernel? |
| [23:50:00] | tremendous: | kormoc how would you know? |
| [23:50:00] | kormoc: | mofu, yes, ati's need kernel sources |
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| [23:50:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, given I was tring to help you with it yesterday... |
| [23:50:00] | tremendous: | mofu i didn't have to compile anything |
| [23:50:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, their setup compiles it for you |
| [23:50:00] | tremendous: | kormoc i went to bed after we spoke, and only installed it half an hour or so ago |
| [23:50:00] | tremendous: | i'm busy at uni in the day |
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| [23:51:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [23:51:00] | kormoc: | fair nuff |
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| [23:51:00] | travolta-: | you guys see that new nokia 770 tablet pda/pc ? i'd like to use something like that as a remote for mythtv :) |
| [23:51:00] | bill2or3: | looks hott. |
| [23:51:00] | tremendous: | sounds like ozzy's remote |
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| [23:52:00] | kormoc: | install myth frontend on it |
| [23:52:00] | mofu: | home automation remote supreme . . . . |
| [23:52:00] | kormoc: | screw it being a remote |
| [23:52:00] | tremendous: | hah |
| [23:53:00] | tremendous: | no ideas about that sound problem of mine – all sound is half a second late? |
| [23:53:00] | simon_c: | Anyone any clues how to use nuvexport on 0.18.1 ? |
| [23:53:00] | travolta-: | tremendous, in recorded shows and live tv? |
| [23:53:00] | tremendous: | travolta- in everything – mythtv and otherwise. even just in kdm |
| [23:53:00] | simon_c: | I'm trying to export some trasncoded (and therefor mpg4 right ? ) shows to DVD. .... |
| [23:53:00] | tremendous: | kde |
| [23:54:00] | simon_c: | is there a way of doing that without transcode ? |
| [23:54:00] | travolta-: | simon_c, should work |
| [23:54:00] | travolta-: | i've used nuvexport on .18.1 |
| [23:54:00] | tremendous: | simon_c i was under the impression dvd video had to be mpeg-2, but i know very little about it |
| [23:54:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, disable arts |
| [23:54:00] | simon_c: | travolta-: It seems to be wanting differeng database entries. I'm using nuvexport-0.2–0.20051106 |
| [23:55:00] | tremendous: | kormoc have done that – it's "disable kde sound system" in control centre isn't it? |
| [23:55:00] | simon_c: | tremendous: exactly why I need to convert it somehow. And I think nuvexport should do that. |
| [23:55:00] | kormoc: | tremendous, yup, ps ax | grep art to make sure it's dead |
| [23:55:00] | simon_c: | travolta-: Do you know what version. ? |
| [23:55:00] | tremendous: | kormoc is that a command i should type? i don't recognise it |
| [23:55:00] | kormoc: | yeah, the ps ax | grep art |
| [23:56:00] | travolta-: | how do you tell the version? |
| [23:56:00] | mofu: | so you transcoded mpeg2 to mpeg4 and now want to get it back to mpeg2?? talk about crap quality |
| [23:56:00] | travolta-: | i'm using a older one that was modified to output to psp format too |
| [23:56:00] | kormoc: | ps ax lists all the running processes | is a pipe, it takes the output and puts it to the next command, grep takes the input and looks for lines matching art and displays them |
| [23:56:00] | bill2or3: | like magic! |
| [23:57:00] | kormoc: | mofu, unless he's using a bttv and captured it from the card in mpeg4 format? |
| [23:57:00] | mofu: | he said they were transcoded shows . . . . |
| [23:57:00] | simon_c: | mofu: it's a bttv card. |
| [23:57:00] | simon_c: | mofu: I had transcoded them to after cutting bits out |
| [23:58:00] | mofu: | whatever |
| [23:58:00] | simon_c: | mofu: The source is VHS, so the quality is limited anyway. It's just about getting them to a DVD to play on a regular DVD player. |
| [23:58:00] | travolta-: | simon_c, why dvd? why not svcd/vcd |
| [23:58:00] | mofu: | 700mb != 4gb |
| [23:59:00] | mofu: | because he can |
| [23:59:00] | simon_c: | travolta-: I guess that may work too. |
| [23:59:00] | simon_c: | mofu: Well, I can't right now :-/ |
| [23:59:00] | mofu: | lol |
| [23:59:00] | travolta-: | i'm saying use svcd/vcd cause it is not dvd quality anyways |
| [23:59:00] | mofu: | true |
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