| Monday, November 14th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | jasta: | hmm, i'm having problems downloading the zap2it TV listings. wget is reporting a 401 unauthorized error, even when i attempt to invoke it manually. i can't connect to the service through a standard browser either. |
| [00:00:00] | jasta: | for the same reason. |
| [00:00:00] | jasta: | but i can login via their web forms with the username and password i setup. |
| [00:01:00] | slide: | is zap2it datadirect? |
| [00:02:00] | jasta: | i should hope so, zap2it.com is the domain for the web service. |
| [00:03:00] | slide: | hrm i dunno =\ |
| [00:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | slide: Yes it is |
| [00:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | datadirect is a service provided by zap2it |
| [00:04:00] | jasta: | there must be some kind of additional account setup requirement for me to use this service. |
| [00:04:00] | jasta: | the web service, that is. |
| [00:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | Assuming the account/listings are setup on your zap2it account, all you do is enter your username/password in mythtv-setup, grab the listing services it should be good to go |
| [00:06:00] | jasta: | like i said, to the best of my knowledge, my account is fully setup. |
| [00:06:00] | jasta: | but i cannot authenticate with their web service still. i can authenticate with their web interface, though. |
| [00:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | You must have a typo in the fields in mythtv-setup. Or mixed up uppercase/lowercase |
| [00:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | or extra "space" or something |
| [00:07:00] | jasta: | no, because i am testing with wget directly. |
| [00:07:00] | jasta: | and with my web browser to verify any encoding bugs. |
| [00:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've never attempting to grab it manually. But I know that everytime mythfilldb runs there is a401 failure to login followed immediately by successfull connections |
| [00:08:00] | jasta: | i receive indefinite failures. |
| [00:10:00] | jasta: | ah-ha. |
| [00:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | What was it ? |
| [00:14:00] | slide: | Ok, so i have 2 avis for 1 movie in my Videos, I setup the first avi to auto go to the second avi and then made the other one non browseable, but it still shows up in the media area |
| [00:15:00] | jasta: | you have to signup on labs.zap2it.com, _NOT_ the main zap2it TV listings. |
| [00:17:00] | jasta: | my fault entirely. it is listed this way in the documentation. |
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| [00:18:00] | jemarcks_: | I am seeing mythfrontend 18.1 hanging when i enter the weather info center. i cant esc out of it. Any ideas? |
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| [00:27:00] | Jim649: | greetings all |
| [00:28:00] | Jim649: | guess everyone is asleep |
| [00:29:00] | remedy: | how can i fix undefined reference to 'Qsomefunct::blah()' errors |
| [00:29:00] | remedy: | i have qt-dev packages installed |
| [00:29:00] | remedy: | and $QTDIR is set |
| [00:30:00] | remedy: | and my qtlib dir is set in ld.so.conf |
| [00:30:00] | remedy: | ../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.18.1.so: undefined reference to `QPainter::save()' |
| [00:30:00] | remedy: | thats an example error |
| [00:30:00] | djperegrine: | remedy, get debian or gentoo or sometihng :P |
| [00:30:00] | remedy: | djperegrine: debian |
| [00:30:00] | djperegrine: | you have debian? |
| [00:31:00] | remedy: | yes |
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| [00:31:00] | djperegrine: | whats wrong with apt-get? |
| [00:31:00] | remedy: | djperegrine: i added the sources line as suggested in the howto |
| [00:31:00] | Jim649: | is there a working mythfm plugin out there? went through the list archies and found a few references but the sites are gone |
| [00:31:00] | remedy: | and apt tells me that the dir doesnt have a packages list |
| [00:31:00] | djperegrine: | apt-get update |
| [00:31:00] | remedy: | so im guessing its broke |
| [00:32:00] | remedy: | or out of date |
| [00:32:00] | remedy: | i did :) |
| [00:32:00] | djperegrine: | you should try getting it to work iwth apt-get |
| [00:34:00] | djperegrine: | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| [00:34:00] | djperegrine: | deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv |
| [00:34:00] | djperegrine: | try those |
| [00:34:00] | mofu_: | remedy: you ran apt-get update w/o errors? |
| [00:37:00] | jasta: | grr, something's still not right. |
| [00:37:00] | jasta: | mythfilldatabase claims to download the channel listing, but i dont believe it is actually updating the database for some reason. |
| [00:38:00] | mofu_: | jasta: are you running it as root? |
| [00:39:00] | mofu_: | jasta: why do you believe its not working, did you look at the schedule in the Frontend? |
| [00:39:00] | remedy: | mofu_: oh it seems, its the mplayer/lame package that is broke, or rather the host |
| [00:39:00] | remedy: | in the example source.list |
| [00:40:00] | slide: | jasta, tell it to update all |
| [00:40:00] | slide: | mythfilldatabase --help |
| [00:40:00] | slide: | and there is an option to update all |
| [00:40:00] | mofu_: | remedy: this is why I wouldn't suggest anyone use Debian Unstable right now, its going through its ugly phase in the revision cycle, lots of stuff will be broken on a regular basis, better to compile 18.1 against Sarge |
| [00:41:00] | remedy: | mofu_: well, i am trying to compile 18.1 against sarge, which is where my problem comes... installing via apt was an option suggested by someone here :) |
| [00:42:00] | mofu_: | mdz's packages won't install against Sarge, but you can use his Source packages, . . . . |
| [00:42:00] | mofu_: | deb-src http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv |
| [00:43:00] | remedy: | ../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.18.1.so: undefined reference to `QPainter::save()' is an example error, as stated my $QTDIR is set and the dir holding qtlibs is in ld.so.conf |
| [00:43:00] | mofu_: | remedy: building deb's from source is actually fairly well covered in the Doc's |
| [00:43:00] | remedy: | why would i need to build the deb if i have the source? |
| [00:45:00] | mofu_: | remedy: did you use 'apt-get build-dep mythtv' before you started? |
| [00:45:00] | mofu_: | remedy: because it will install them where Debian package expect them, so you can upgrade later . . . |
| [00:47:00] | remedy: | mofu_: i tried build-dep but it complains about lame |
| [00:47:00] | remedy: | which i already have installed |
| [00:47:00] | mofu_: | apt-get build-dep mythtv ? |
| [00:47:00] | remedy: | E: Build-Depends dependency for mythtv cannot be satisfied because the package liblame-dev cannot be found |
| [00:48:00] | mofu_: | you have marrilat in sources? |
| [00:48:00] | remedy: | this is because the suggested sources.list line for mplayer/lame in the howto doesnt exist anymore |
| [00:48:00] | remedy: | marrilat? |
| [00:48:00] | mofu_: | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| [00:49:00] | remedy: | ok that works |
| [00:49:00] | remedy: | thats a different line than that provided in the doc |
| [00:49:00] | mofu_: | djperegrine: had pointed you to the Sid packages earlier, make sure you poin to Sarge |
| [00:50:00] | remedy: | oh |
| [00:50:00] | remedy: | doh |
| [00:50:00] | remedy: | yea |
| [00:50:00] | remedy: | sarge ;] |
| [00:50:00] | remedy: | kk, my bad |
| [00:50:00] | mofu_: | the docs are probably a little mixed, most refer to Sid because most were written when Myth would not compile against Woody |
| [00:50:00] | remedy: | yea |
| [00:51:00] | mofu_: | My Sarge systems are rock solid |
| [00:52:00] | remedy: | i used to use sarge some years ago... then i was in a sitution where i couldnt use computers for 18months, when i came back, it was impossible to upgrade without breaking, so i installed the latest stable distro, and havent got round to a dist-upgrade |
| [00:52:00] | mofu_: | remedy: another good source for Sarge packages you might want (especially Nvidia) |
| [00:52:00] | mofu_: | deb http://mirror.xaranet.de/debian-backports/debian stable all |
| [00:52:00] | mofu_: | deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable all |
| [00:52:00] | remedy: | mofu_: ok thx, will take a look |
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| [00:55:00] | iam1e3t: | does anyone know how to fix this compile problem: *** No rule to make target `../libmyth/libmyth-0.18.1.so', needed by `libmythtv-0.18.1.so.0.18.1'. Stop. |
| [00:56:00] | mofu_: | you used qmake first? |
| [00:56:00] | iam1e3t: | im pretty sure |
| [00:56:00] | iam1e3t: | qmake myth.pro |
| [00:56:00] | mofu_: | yep |
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| [00:56:00] | mofu_: | wierd error . . . |
| [00:56:00] | iam1e3t: | something about GLIBCPP_2.3 time_get was weird |
| [00:57:00] | iam1e3t: | what is the latest version of glibc? |
| [00:58:00] | mofu_: | you don't necessarily want the latest version . . . depends on the distro |
| [00:59:00] | iam1e3t: | slackware 10.2 |
| [00:59:00] | mofu_: | debian is using 2.3.2 in Sarge |
| [01:00:00] | iam1e3t: | hmm |
| [01:00:00] | iam1e3t: | should i try a make clean? |
| [01:00:00] | mofu_: | or restore from a fresh tarball to make sure nothing else is messed |
| [01:01:00] | iam1e3t: | ok |
| [01:01:00] | iam1e3t: | will do |
| [01:01:00] | iam1e3t: | thanks |
| [01:02:00] | remedy: | anyone here in the UK use mythtv with digital sattelite? |
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| [01:04:00] | mofu_: | anyone running HD on a remote backend that they are happy with?? |
| [01:06:00] | iam1e3t: | ok...now i get this error again:libmyth-0.18.1.so.0.18.1: undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2 |
| [01:06:00] | mofu_: | remedy: not UK, and not satellite, but using DVB, you might want to look at latest SVN for best DVB support |
| [01:06:00] | iam1e3t: | and right below that it says:failed to set dynamic section sizes: Bad value |
| [01:06:00] | mofu_: | iam1e3t: you sure you got all your dependencies installed?? |
| [01:07:00] | iam1e3t: | pretty positive |
| [01:17:00] | Juski: | gah this transparency in a theme watermark is borked |
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| [01:18:00] | Juski: | in my image editor the background is transparent yet in the menu its background isn't |
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| [01:51:00] | remedy: | mofu_: all the .debs finally compiled, do i just dpkg -i each one now? |
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| [01:52:00] | mofu_: | yeah, start w/ libs, then common, then database, then backend, then frontend |
| [01:53:00] | mofu_: | you need mysql-server and one other, let me check |
| [01:55:00] | mofu_: | also libqt3c102-mt |
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| [02:19:00] | remedy: | Starting MythTV server: mythbackendQSettings: error creating /root/.qt |
| [02:19:00] | remedy: | how can i fix this error |
| [02:19:00] | remedy: | i am, ofcourse root so i have write perms to that dir |
| [02:19:00] | mofu_: | i just mkdir /root/.qt |
| [02:19:00] | mofu_: | why not . . . . |
| [02:20:00] | jasta: | remedy: you could use strace to figure out why. |
| [02:20:00] | remedy: | jasta: i did, my term didnt allow me to scroll so far up, so thought i'd ask here first :) |
| [02:20:00] | remedy: | i assumed .qt was a file rather than a dir |
| [02:20:00] | jasta: | remedy: pardon? |
| [02:21:00] | remedy: | ugh, still have an error |
| [02:21:00] | remedy: | jasta: i did use strace, to trace the error, only my term wouldnt allow me to scroll so far up the buffer, so i asked here first. |
| [02:22:00] | jasta: | strace -o |
| [02:22:00] | remedy: | rather than mess about, mofu_ provided the answer quickly :) |
| [02:22:00] | remedy: | Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [02:22:00] | remedy: | is this authentication against mysql? |
| [02:22:00] | jasta: | well, try to connect to mysql. |
| [02:23:00] | remedy: | i can connect to mysql |
| [02:23:00] | mofu_: | you installed myth-database? |
| [02:23:00] | remedy: | yep |
| [02:23:00] | remedy: | and gave the root user/pass |
| [02:23:00] | mofu_: | not sure, new one on me |
| [02:23:00] | jasta: | well its not mysql related anyway. google can tell you that. |
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| [02:30:00] | slide: | I have 2 avis for 1 movie, is there an easy way to combine them? |
| [02:30:00] | fatmatt: | remedy: the user/pass for mythtv client to access the mysql server is in.... /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [02:30:00] | fatmatt: | I think... |
| [02:30:00] | jasta: | slide: avimerge from transcode. |
| [02:30:00] | slide: | k |
| [02:31:00] | slide: | ty |
| [02:31:00] | slide: | god this stupid "Choxy" commercial is killing me |
| [02:31:00] | slide: | comes on every 2 minutes |
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| [02:48:00] | Quan: | ack :P |
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| [02:50:00] | remedy: | fatmatt: yea, i dont think its to do with that, i have reset the password making sure user@host is accepted and also granted all on the db for user mythtv myself.. so dunno if this error is related to connecting to the server or what |
| [02:50:00] | pridkett: | is it normal for the video to get really jerky when using xvmc with the OSD up? |
| [02:51:00] | Dagmar: | xvmc is still in a "mostly works" state |
| [02:53:00] | pridkett: | yeah, it seems like xvmc in general is still in a mostly works state. I need to try several times before XVMC even works. After that, it just keeps on working though. |
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| [02:57:00] | pridkett: | but, is that normal that it slows down? |
| [02:57:00] | banyan: | Hey, what's the name of the thing you can use to chop a piece out of an mpg file? |
| [02:57:00] | pridkett: | at least for hdtv content? I've got a pretty fast processor (3700+), so I don't think that's it. |
| [03:00:00] | slide: | So, who wants to work with me to get my remote setup |
| [03:01:00] | slide: | Its this cheap Packard Bell remote |
| [03:02:00] | slide: | what is lircmd? Is it different the lircd? |
| [03:06:00] | banyan: | I can't remember the name of the mpg-something-or-other you can use to extract from a certain place in an mpg file for a certain length? |
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| [03:29:00] | slide: | Ok, so my remote is working with lirc, and i can use irx to view the events |
| [03:29:00] | slide: | How do i get myth to recognize them though? |
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| [03:29:00] | slide: | I have a ~/.lircrc |
| [03:30:00] | remedy: | how does one run mythtv not full screen |
| [03:30:00] | remedy: | can you run it in a window? |
| [03:30:00] | slide: | there is an option somewhere to run it in a window |
| [03:33:00] | defaultro: | mchou? |
| [03:33:00] | defaultro: | good evenings guys, how's everyone |
| [03:34:00] | defaultro: | I noticed after 3 months that version is still 0.18.1 :) I'm glad that it's stable |
| [03:34:00] | maino82: | does anyone have any suggestions on how to go about fixing an "Authentication Rejected"/black screen error when starting mythtv? the mailing list mostly says it's not a fatal error and to ignore it, except that mythtv doesn't start at all, so i don't seem how it can not be fatal. |
| [03:35:00] | mofu_: | hey defaultro, yeah 0.18.1 keeps chugging . . . . 0.19 should be pretty major when it finally gets here, hope its as stable as 0.18.1 |
| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | bam |
| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | hey mofu, any tips on how to print an html table that have 24 columns? |
| [03:38:00] | Dagmar: | Make 'em real narrow |
| [03:38:00] | mofu_: | very small font? |
| [03:38:00] | Dagmar: | ...or set a fixed width on the size of the <TABLE> so that the browser won't try to shrink it |
| [03:39:00] | banyan: | Is it mpg123 that lets you specify where to start in an mpg file and puts out the contents for a specified length? |
| [03:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | banyan: mpg123 is just an mp3 player |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | ok |
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| [03:40:00] | banyan: | I totally forget which program does that. |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | is there a way to print but not what is seen on screen, but what is in the database? |
| [03:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: ummm.... what ? |
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| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | hey GreyFoxx :D |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | just asking for tips |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | been away for a month |
| [03:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't understand what exactly you are trying to accomplish |
| [03:41:00] | banyan: | Is this from mysql? |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | I have a table that I create via php. It has 24 columns |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | and data is being pulled from mysql |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | I want to print either what's on the screen or my users have a choice to print everything |
| [03:42:00] | banyan: | I think there's a way to throw the data into a CSV file or something and then it could be printed from there? |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:42:00] | banyan: | I shouldn't say though. |
| [03:42:00] | ijoyce: | banyan, mysql -e "query" > file.txt |
| [03:42:00] | Dagmar: | Why not just make your php emit the CSV file directly then? |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | Is it possible to have the print in landscape without telling the printer? |
| [03:43:00] | defaultro: | So you are saying that when he clicks the print icon, a csv file will be created. Then users will just open it in their spreadsheet application? |
| [03:43:00] | Dagmar: | defaultro: You have to have the HP Jetdirect card with the Psychic Autoconfiguration add-on for that |
| [03:43:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [03:44:00] | Dagmar: | Provided you can figure out how to tell the webserver to emit a mime-type for the csv that those people's browsers will recognize |
| [03:44:00] | defaultro: | I forgot. I'm distinguishing each row with a color on the cell. Odd rows are the before data and even rows are the after data |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | so if data is different, cell is color red |
| [03:45:00] | Dagmar: | You can print landscape from a browser just as well as a spreadsheet tho |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:45:00] | Dagmar: | File->Page Setup in Firefox |
| [03:46:00] | banyan: | So nobody knows what the command is that dumps a portion of an mpg file? |
| [03:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | I can only guess you are looking for mpeg2cut |
| [03:49:00] | defaultro: | since color is not a good way of comparing data in a table, how would you program it so that you can distinguish that cell 1A is different from 2A? |
| [03:49:00] | defaultro: | my users noticed that when they printed the data |
| [03:49:00] | Dagmar: | I would make sure my users could accurately detect the difference between the glyphs "1" and "2". |
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| [03:50:00] | defaultro: | what about putting an small !icon in that cell? |
| [03:50:00] | banyan: | Hmm, there's no package that appears to contain mpeg2cut. |
| [03:51:00] | Dagmar: | I mean, you've ruled out color, which leaves touch (doubtful that shag versus berber will work), taste (lemon versus spinach, no good), smell (no thankyou), and sound... and paper doens't make much noise |
| [03:51:00] | defaultro: | ok :) |
| [03:52:00] | defaultro: | i think, putting an exclamation point icon in the cell that shows it's different will work for them. I'll try it |
| [03:52:00] | Dagmar: | I usually just tint every other vertical column 10% blue, adn every other horizontal row 10% green |
| [03:52:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:52:00] | slide: | why not use borders? |
| [03:52:00] | defaultro: | That's what I did but they told me that they don't want to look at the computer for a long time. They rather want to see it in print. My users are 40+ yrs old :D |
| [03:53:00] | slide: | tell then "Wah" |
| [03:53:00] | slide: | heh |
| [03:53:00] | defaultro: | i'll try the icon |
| [03:55:00] | defaultro: | I will also make the font small like verdana 1 |
| [03:57:00] | defaultro: | So what's the latest with .19? |
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| [04:03:00] | mofu_: | remember 0.19 is in the future, it doesn't exist until its released, latest SVN, on the other hand is shaping up. Got Digital Cable HD running today, pretty easy once I found the trick |
| [04:03:00] | defaultro: | digital cable HD? wow |
| [04:03:00] | defaultro: | what card? |
| [04:03:00] | mofu_: | no antenna reception problems |
| [04:03:00] | mofu_: | HD3000 |
| [04:04:00] | defaultro: | what about air2pc or fusion? |
| [04:04:00] | defaultro: | these are not the ppvs, right? |
| [04:04:00] | mofu_: | I think all three are using latest kernel DVB drivers, should be equally successful |
| [04:05:00] | defaultro: | i haven't updated my mythtv for 3 months now |
| [04:05:00] | shiftless: | i know this is not the right channel, but someone here might know. where can i find a channel where i can ask about this problem: in windows, a particular AVI file has a break in the sound every one second or so on a regular basis, and for the life of me i can't figure out what the hell's going on. it's a divx movie with mp3 audio |
| [04:05:00] | mofu_: | no, unencrypted, 5 Networks, +PBS, +Discover HD on Comcast |
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| [04:05:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [04:05:00] | banyan: | I thought there was a program that already did the extraction of a segment of mpg. |
| [04:06:00] | defaultro: | brb |
| [04:09:00] | slide: | Ok, so lirc is recognizing when i press keys on my remote, but myth isnt and i cant figure out why |
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| [04:18:00] | Krazylegz: | slide: Did you compile Mythtv with --enable-lirc ? |
| [04:18:00] | slide: | Krazylegz, well, im using KnoppMyth, which they tell me is indeed installed with enable-lirc |
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| [04:20:00] | Krazylegz: | Ah, then yeah it should be fine. |
| [04:20:00] | kahuna_: | Is 20% CPU for X on a Celeron 2.8 precott core normal? Seems a bit high. I'm running TV-out with ATI proprietary drivers. |
| [04:20:00] | slide: | but, its not :( heh |
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| [04:27:00] | mofu_: | kahuna_: just XFree86 taking 20%? |
| [04:28:00] | kahuna_: | Ok, here's a strange problem. When I tune to a crappy analog channel on my pvr-150, My card automatically mutes itself. I do ivtvctl -y mute=0 and I cannot unmute it until I tune to a staticy channel then it will unmute itself. |
| [04:28:00] | jemarcks_: | Does anybody use LVM to extend their /video partition across many drives? |
| [04:28:00] | kahuna_: | Then I can mute and unmute at will again. |
| [04:28:00] | kahuna_: | mofu_: yup, just X |
| [04:29:00] | jemarcks_: | that is strange |
| [04:30:00] | mofu_: | kahuna_: only 1–2% max during normal SD playback on an XP2400+ here, of course Nvidia drivers help . . . . |
| [04:30:00] | kahuna_: | Yah. Crappy ATI. Are you doing xvmc at all? |
| [04:31:00] | mofu_: | kahuna_: you're using a LW window manager aren't you? |
| [04:31:00] | jemarcks_: | mofu_, i see the same 1% usage on a 2.8G P4 box |
| [04:31:00] | mofu_: | kahuna_: xv only, not xvmc |
| [04:31:00] | kahuna_: | LW? |
| [04:31:00] | kahuna_: | Windowmaker. |
| [04:31:00] | mofu_: | lightwieght |
| [04:31:00] | mofu_: | should be fine, its your drivers . . . . |
| [04:32:00] | mofu_: | jemarcks_: Nvidia, right? |
| [04:32:00] | kahuna_: | sucks. |
| [04:32:00] | jemarcks_: | mofu_, nvidia, yes. |
| [04:32:00] | mofu_: | but of course . . . . :-) |
| [04:32:00] | kahuna_: | I wish ATI would get it's crap together. I used to love their stuff for windows. |
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| [04:33:00] | jemarcks_: | yeah, but ATI does have the most market share for external gfx cards. |
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| [04:35:00] | kahuna_: | this PVR-150 is pissing me off. I wish I woulda got the 250 now. |
| [04:35:00] | jemarcks_: | anybody have nuv2disk setup and working? |
| [04:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | What exactly is an "external" Graphics Card ? |
| [04:35:00] | kahuna_: | probably as in "not IGP" |
| [04:35:00] | jemarcks_: | an 'external' gfx card is one that plugs into a slot |
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| [04:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | So you mean, offboard ? |
| [04:35:00] | jemarcks_: | agp, pcie, pci |
| [04:35:00] | kahuna_: | Sis is probably the biggest IGP manuf. |
| [04:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | external historically has been "outside of the case" |
| [04:36:00] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: As in "not some sucky built-in one" |
| [04:36:00] | jemarcks_: | Nope... Sis is not |
| [04:36:00] | kahuna_: | and probably the crappiest |
| [04:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | like an external modem |
| [04:36:00] | jemarcks_: | Intel is. |
| [04:36:00] | mofu_: | kahuna_: what's wrong w/ the 150? Using 0.4 ivtv?? |
| [04:36:00] | kahuna_: | yes. 0.5 |
| [04:36:00] | kahuna_: | err 4 |
| [04:36:00] | jemarcks_: | My 150 works great. |
| [04:37:00] | mofu_: | I thought the 150 was good to go w/ 0.4 . . . . |
| [04:37:00] | kahuna_: | Mine mutes itself on a bad receptoin OTA channel and cannot be unmuted |
| [04:37:00] | mofu_: | OTA? you dont' have cable? |
| [04:38:00] | kahuna_: | It's probably the feature that keeps you from hearing the static on a bad channel. |
| [04:38:00] | kahuna_: | Well I have satellite and that works but I want OTA for the rain fade periods. |
| [04:40:00] | mofu_: | might have to buy a bigger antenna, I would want to go Digital if I was going OTA . . . . |
| [04:40:00] | kahuna_: | I do ivtvctl -y mute=0 and the ioctl succeeds but when I run ivtvctl -Y mute is still =1 |
| [04:40:00] | slide: | Ok, so i see that myth is connecting to the lircd but yet its still not using the bindings arg |
| [04:40:00] | ** slide delves deeper into the configs ** | |
| [04:41:00] | mofu_: | kahuna_: PVR's are relatively useless w/o good reception . . . . |
| [04:41:00] | kahuna_: | I'm beginning to see that. |
| [04:41:00] | Krazylegz: | slide: I'd try to look, but my Mythbox is upset with me right now. |
| [04:41:00] | kahuna_: | I only have 1 channel that's bad. |
| [04:42:00] | kahuna_: | But I might ask for a hd card for christmas |
| [04:42:00] | kahuna_: | We have 6 HD stations over here :) |
| [04:42:00] | mofu_: | I had HD working last winter OTA, but didn't have the recpetion I needed so let it go until QAM256 across cable was supported |
| [04:42:00] | slide: | Krazylegz, hehe, yea its almost more tempermental then my ex |
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| [04:43:00] | mofu_: | kahuna_: if its just one channel I'd just drop it from the OTA line-up and avoid probs |
| [04:43:00] | kahuna_: | Maybe I'll do that. The wife won't be happy though :) |
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| [04:44:00] | NightBird: | hey, does mythtv record 15 minute shows good as well? |
| [04:44:00] | mofu_: | you get the same program on Satellite? Plus you can always flip over to the TV tuner |
| [04:44:00] | mofu_: | NightBird: it records whatever the schedule says it is |
| [04:45:00] | NightBird: | hm.. |
| [04:45:00] | NightBird: | ok\ |
| [04:45:00] | kahuna_: | No problem with the sat, but the card stays muted if it goes to the bad channel, until I get a significant amount of bad signal to jolt the card back out of mute. |
| [04:45:00] | Krazylegz: | I have weird issues with 35 minute Sex and the City episodes sometimes. |
| [04:45:00] | Krazylegz: | I think they are listed as 30 minute shows. |
| [04:46:00] | mofu_: | you can't blame Myth for bad schedule data, complain to Zap2it |
| [04:46:00] | Dagmar: | Just tell it to record say, 360 seconds past the end of those episodes |
| [04:46:00] | Krazylegz: | mofu_: Right, I'm just saying that he should be aware. |
| [04:47:00] | mofu_: | if its a consistent problem then yeah +5min |
| [04:47:00] | Krazylegz: | Dagmar: That's an idea, but they're really not that important. |
| [04:48:00] | Dagmar: | Krazylegz: ...and it's a good thing that Showtime and Cinemax specials start and end on even half-hour boundaries. ;) |
| [04:49:00] | mofu_: | my listings show Sex in the City on TBS at 35min each . . . . |
| [04:49:00] | Krazylegz: | I'll check mine again. |
| [04:49:00] | Krazylegz: | At the moment, my Mytbox hates me. |
| [04:57:00] | jemarcks_: | Can I change my jfs partition /video to a LVM? |
| [04:58:00] | mofu_: | jemarcks_: you are probably going to have to clear the partition to do it |
| [04:59:00] | jemarcks_: | mofu, im willing to do that. i dont have that many recordings :) |
| [05:00:00] | kahuna_: | just upload them to rapidshare. |
| [05:00:00] | Dagmar: | Yay rapidshare |
| [05:00:00] | jemarcks_: | mofu, i just need the procedure. i set up my box following jarods guide and now i want to add more drives and need to use LVM to do it but I didnt setup my original /video partition that way in the first place. |
| [05:00:00] | mofu_: | i think xfs is preferred depending on the distro |
| [05:00:00] | jemarcks_: | jarods guide said jfs was the way to go for /video |
| [05:00:00] | mofu_: | jemarcks_: you're on your own, google for LVM howto's |
| [05:01:00] | mofu_: | I think Fedora4 has a problem w/ XFS |
| [05:01:00] | jemarcks_: | mofu, i could reformat it and repartition it and then restore from backup :) |
| [05:02:00] | mofu_: | LVM is a bit more complicated than that, but yes basically |
| [05:02:00] | jemarcks_: | true... ill wait until my new drive gets here to figure it out |
| [05:03:00] | jemarcks_: | nite nite yall. |
| [05:07:00] | kahuna_: | later |
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| [05:46:00] | mchou: | damn, finally saw "Batman Begins" |
| [05:49:00] | Krazylegz: | What did you think? |
| [05:49:00] | Krazylegz: | Other than that Katie Holmes can't act. |
| [05:49:00] | mchou: | Well, that one would had been worth to see in the movie theatre..... |
| [05:49:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah. |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | I've only gone to the movie theatre 3x this year |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | cause there are no good movies |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | next yeah is gonna even be more "exciting:" Rocky VII |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | lol :) |
| [05:51:00] | mchou: | s/yeah/year |
| [05:52:00] | mchou: | Katie Holmes has acting talent, watch "Pieces of April" |
| [05:52:00] | Krazylegz: | I do want to see Jarhead. |
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| [05:52:00] | P4C0: | hello |
| [05:53:00] | mchou: | I dunno what she sees in tom cruise though |
| [05:53:00] | Krazylegz: | I didn't know what to make of Batman Begins. It fills in the story line, but it's not like I can relate to Batman. |
| [05:53:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:53:00] | Krazylegz: | So, it was just a neat action movie for me. I'm not hugely into Batman. |
| [05:54:00] | mchou: | he's a superhero. You arent supposed to be able to relate to him :) |
| [05:54:00] | P4C0: | I'm curious, what method those the satellite tv uses for encryption? |
| [05:54:00] | Krazylegz: | Exactly. |
| [05:54:00] | P4C0: | s/those/does |
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| [06:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: Differs based on the providor. In North America Dishnet and Bell Expressvu use Nagravision, more specifically Nagra2 these days. other parts of the world use totally different schemes |
| [06:02:00] | P4C0: | GreyFoxx: yes, but I mean, if I want to become a satellite tv provider, should I subscribe to others providers? |
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| [06:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't understand your question |
| [06:05:00] | P4C0: | I mean, the steps in order to be a cable provider (let's say in some far far away region like some far place in africa for example), I first need to subscribe to other providers to have a list of channels to offer, and then how can I send that signal to my clients? using cable is easy but like direct tv? |
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| [06:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well, you would need a satellite(or rent space on one). You then beam your stream up to the satellite which will send it back down to your target area |
| [06:08:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: huh??? |
| [06:08:00] | P4C0: | and of course |
| [06:08:00] | mchou: | I though he said he want's to be a cable provider :) |
| [06:08:00] | P4C0: | you pick up the encription or subscription method that you want to use? |
| [06:08:00] | P4C0: | mchou: no no, I'm just curious, about cable as well |
| [06:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: He's specifically said he wants to broadcast via sat |
| [06:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: Of course |
| [06:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | You would reencrypt the signal with whatever scheme you choose |
| [06:10:00] | P4C0: | and for cable tv, they put a cable in my house, and then give me a little box, that I supposed they preconfigure with their encryption keys and stuff, do I get a box ass well for satellite tv? (yes right?) |
| [06:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: The encryption keys for cable settop boxes are exchanged when the box syncs up with the gear in the cable providers headnend |
| [06:11:00] | P4C0: | and is there a way to know how many users are using the service (watching tv (cable or sat)) and the channel they are looking at? |
| [06:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | and yes, for Satellite TV you would get a box that would decrypt the incoming signal, limiting you to the proper channels and with a mpeg decoder to decode the mpeg stream |
| [06:11:00] | P4C0: | GreyFoxx: and is it the same for satellite? |
| [06:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: You wouldn't be able to know how many are watching on Satellite |
| [06:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | but on cable they could see what channels the set top boxes are tuned into |
| [06:12:00] | P4C0: | GreyFoxx: but there's no exchange between the user and the provider on sat? |
| [06:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | but lots of people never turn of the boxes on cable, they just turn off the TV, so the data might not be really what a user is "Watching" |
| [06:13:00] | P4C0: | so, for the service provider cable is safer... I mean they know if someone is steeling tv? |
| [06:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: Correct |
| [06:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: No |
| [06:13:00] | P4C0: | no? |
| [06:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | Just don't let the box aquire with your gear |
| [06:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's like a cable modem. If you can plug in a cable modem that your provider doesn't know about and get online, then the problem is that the ISP isn't properly setup |
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| [06:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | Digital cable settop boxes link up with a system at the cable provider. They can limit the boxes that can receive the digital signal by just ignoring unknown devices |
| [06:15:00] | P4C0: | yes, but if I get like a different box that tries to get the keys from the provider they will know it right? |
| [06:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | now BROADCAST is a different matter since there is not return communication |
| [06:15:00] | P4C0: | GreyFoxx: ok, so how's the deal with broadcast? (I mean it's cheaper for the service provider, they don't need to wire the whole city) |
| [06:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: You wouldn't get the keys, you have to go through the provisioning process successfully before you get handed the keys |
| [06:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | and if they ignore unknown devices you wont finish the provisioning process |
| [06:16:00] | P4C0: | provisioning process? that happends each time you turn it on? |
| [06:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [06:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | everytime |
| [06:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | and I mean powercycle the cable box, not just hit the power button on your remote |
| [06:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | the power button on the remote just stops it from sending the incoming video to your tv/audio |
| [06:17:00] | P4C0: | so, let say that I rent some space into one satellite, they give me access to upload stuff and they broadcast it, everything else is by my side? |
| [06:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | If the cable box is unplugged from the coax or power it has to reprovision with the cable headend |
| [06:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: pretty much yes |
| [06:17:00] | P4C0: | how does this reprovision works? |
| [06:18:00] | P4C0: | if there's no return signal... |
| [06:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: I'km talking about digital cable, which must use a return signal. Broadcast is different |
| [06:19:00] | P4C0: | ho, but how is broadcast? |
| [06:19:00] | P4C0: | it's all on the box then? |
| [06:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | broadcast is just and RF broadcast. The coax is just a big antenna carrying the signal |
| [06:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | not return communication or decryption needed in most places |
| [06:20:00] | P4C0: | so if you pay for the service you can use it in all the coverage radio of the satellite |
| [06:20:00] | P4C0: | no decryption?? |
| [06:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | You are not understanding what I'm talking about |
| [06:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm talking about broadcast standard cable signal, not a sat broadcast |
| [06:21:00] | P4C0: | GreyFoxx: hooo |
| [06:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | standard analog broadcast cable is rarely ever encrypted |
| [06:22:00] | P4C0: | GreyFoxx: but you need to pass the provision process in order to get the signal right? |
| [06:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | Not with regular broadcast cable. It normally does not require a settop box. The user can just plug directly into their TV |
| [06:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | the provider could encrypt it, but again that is pretty rare |
| [06:23:00] | P4C0: | but anyways you need the cable :p |
| [06:23:00] | P4C0: | ok, what about satellite broadcasts? |
| [06:23:00] | Dagmar: | Usually for broadcast cable they just put a physical filter on the line if you don't get full cable |
| [06:23:00] | Dagmar: | Premium channels will still be scrambled tho |
| [06:24:00] | P4C0: | Dagmar: and that filter just looks like a setup box? |
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| [06:24:00] | Dagmar: | P4C0: No, the filter looks like a shiny chrome cylinder about the size of a cigar, usually |
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| [06:25:00] | P4C0: | for example, in my case I can plug the cable directly to my tv and have like minimun channels, if I connect it to the box I have more... |
| [06:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: because the tv is getting the unencrypted regular broadcasts, the box is getting the encrypted digital channels |
| [06:25:00] | Dagmar: | P4C0: So you're picking up unscrambled basic cable channels. Nothing new or unusual there. |
| [06:26:00] | P4C0: | ok, now for satellite (that I found more interesting), how does encryption works there? |
| [06:26:00] | Dagmar: | Digital encryption. Generally you have no way of deciphering it right now |
| [06:26:00] | P4C0: | how does a satellite provider keep track of its users? |
| [06:26:00] | Dagmar: | You either use their box or you're watching static |
| [06:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: Often with little ID cards that plug into the receiver that conrol what channels you can or can't see |
| [06:27:00] | P4C0: | Dagmar: nice, and you can use that box and antenna over the whole radio of the satellite? |
| [06:27:00] | Dagmar: | P4C0: Usually once a month the box will dial in over landline and update it's status with the network and get new keys. |
| [06:27:00] | Dagmar: | P4C0: That didn't make any sense at all |
| [06:28:00] | P4C0: | Dagmar: what didn't make any sense? |
| [06:28:00] | Dagmar: | "and you can use that box and antenna over the whole radio |
| [06:28:00] | Dagmar: | of the satellite?" |
| [06:29:00] | P4C0: | I mean you can take it to the beach or to your friends house |
| [06:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well you could but it would be a pain |
| [06:29:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I suppose. It's not exactly portable tho |
| [06:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | since you would have to realign the dish |
| [06:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | unless you purchased gear to auto align it for you |
| [06:29:00] | Dagmar: | YOu basically have to be a masochist |
| [06:30:00] | P4C0: | but it's a small dish right? |
| [06:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: you are trying to line up a spot on your dish about the size of a quarter with an object the size of a small car a hundred miles away. Lining it up isn't fun unless you have something that will do it for you |
| [06:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | Which is why you normally get it aligned and leave it :) |
| [06:32:00] | P4C0: | how does the auto align gear works? it trys to pick as much signal as possible and then ask you to move the antenna until it gets the best signal possible? right? |
| [06:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: No, it moves itself |
| [06:32:00] | Dagmar: | hence... "automatic" |
| [06:32:00] | P4C0: | GreyFoxx: yes but of course the wind can move it? (a lot of wind a lot of time?) |
| [06:32:00] | Dagmar: | P4C0: Do you live in a hurricane-prone area? |
| [06:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: Yesm that is why people get poor reception during storms as the dish is moving slightly and loosing the signal |
| [06:33:00] | P4C0: | GreyFoxx: isn't there any software? (thinking about nexus-s card) |
| [06:33:00] | Dagmar: | Wind only affects the little dishes if you are incapable of figuring out how to use a screwdriver to lock it down |
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| [06:33:00] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: Umm... it's _water_ that gets them, not the wind |
| [06:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: Well of course you can use a sat receiver or a peice of software to read the strength of the signal and move it |
| [06:34:00] | Dagmar: | DirectTV can't make it through any thunderhead capable of getting people reasonably wet |
| [06:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: It's both. The water interferes, the window moves the alignment of the dish |
| [06:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | if the dish wasn't properly aligned in the firstplace then slight gusts of wind can be a pain in the ass |
| [06:34:00] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: My parents have a dish network unit. It's braced with steel arms so it's not really wiggling unless a tornado moves the house it's attached to. |
| [06:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: Not all dishes are that secure :) |
| [06:35:00] | P4C0: | so, basically how much is the aceptable reception range or movement that you can have? I mean it's not like cm right? |
| [06:35:00] | Dagmar: | ...and I've seen DirectTV/Dish go out before a single drop of rain has fallen, so long as the proper section of sky is full of angry storm clouds |
| [06:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | But certainly moving the house would suck :) |
| [06:35:00] | Dagmar: | The water in the clouds will make a half-assed dish alignment quit in a hurry |
| [06:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: a centemetre or 2 on the outside |
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| [06:36:00] | P4C0: | so 2 cm outside the range stills good, and the radio of the side will be like? |
| [06:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | P4C0: Think about it, if you line up the dish, then turn it just 1 centemetre, the further away from the dish you go the further out of alignment it will be |
| [06:38:00] | P4C0: | yes I know, but is like only one position? I mean perfect aligment only? |
| [06:38:00] | Dagmar: | Remember, you're trying to hit something about the size of a riding lawnmower, a few *thousand* miles away |
| [06:39:00] | Dagmar: | Precision is very important |
| [06:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | exactly. You have to be perfectly aligned |
| [06:39:00] | P4C0: | Dagmar: wow, ok, so you have one perfect possition and then 1 cm radio of good reception but not perfect... I guess that this increasse with the size of the antenna right? |
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| [06:39:00] | Dagmar: | Not really. |
| [06:40:00] | Dagmar: | You're still aiming at something the size of a riding lawnmower, thousands of miles away |
| [06:41:00] | P4C0: | so the size of the antennas is not important? for quality maybe? |
| [06:43:00] | Dagmar: | A bigger dish would mean more signal, BUT... |
| [06:43:00] | Dagmar: | This would also mean more noise, and since the reciever is expecting a certain amount of signal and not say, three to five times that, it can much more easily get confused on the noise when it gets too much signal |
| [06:44:00] | P4C0: | that's for digital signals? I mean analog is not used? |
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| [06:47:00] | Dagmar: | Just because it's a digital signal the unit cares about doesn't mean it's not an analog carrier |
| [06:48:00] | Dagmar: | Digital broadcasts just mean that more signal can't really improve the image any more, not that signal strength doesn't matter |
| [06:48:00] | P4C0: | yes :) |
| [06:49:00] | P4C0: | one last question, and by the way thank you for your help, what about rating? |
| [06:49:00] | Dagmar: | rating? |
| [06:51:00] | P4C0: | is there a way to measure the ratings? I mean if I'm a tv operator, is there a way for me to know how many of my users watchs a show? or channel? |
| [06:51:00] | Dagmar: | Neisel surveys |
| [06:51:00] | Dagmar: | er Neilsen surveys rather |
| [06:53:00] | P4C0: | thank you guys |
| [06:54:00] | P4C0: | bye bye, see you later, good night/day |
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| [06:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, fix the mame game detection or sleep |
| [07:04:00] | Krazylegz: | Sleep. |
| [07:04:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. I can't find a good image for my Lost files. |
| [07:07:00] | Dagmar: | Get one of those elementary school pencils, the really fat ones, break the end off of it and take a picture of that |
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| [07:27:00] | cosmo_: | myth myth, fo fyth, fannana-nana momyth, fi fy fo fyth, myth.....its the mame game! |
| [07:30:00] | cosmo_: | did I type that? sorry guys, physics homework makes me nutty. night all |
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| [09:08:00] | poonj: | hey guys, anyone here own a pchdtv-3000? |
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| [10:25:00] | jasta: | yeah. |
| [10:29:00] | Gumby: | actually, its not really myth that is the problem |
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| [11:27:00] | PaulWay: | Hi all! |
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| [11:28:00] | PaulWay: | Anyone getting "couldn't read file: <<ringbuffer file>>" errors in mythfrontend? |
| [11:28:00] | PaulWay: | Or know the solution thereto? |
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| [11:35:00] | PaulWay: | Crap crap crap crap crap! |
| [11:35:00] | PaulWay: | The backend is just saying "DVB#0 WARNING – No data from card" continuously. |
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| [11:37:00] | toom: | gday |
| [11:39:00] | Agrajag-: | gday |
| [11:40:00] | adante: | woo aussies represent |
| [11:41:00] | Agrajag-: | :) |
| [11:42:00] | adante: | actually while we're on it has anybody had issues with immir's tv grab script lately? |
| [11:42:00] | adante: | i haven't been able to pull down data for a week |
| [11:43:00] | Agrajag-: | ahh crap i just checked my guide and mine's screwed too.. whoops.. thought i chekced it the other day and it was ok |
| [11:44:00] | adante: | just checked the threads, immir's released a 1.43 version to counter obfuscation issues apparently |
| [11:46:00] | fatmatt: | adante: are you in Aust? |
| [11:46:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah |
| [11:47:00] | Agrajag-: | im running 1.43 now |
| [11:47:00] | fatmatt: | I had issues with msn |
| [11:47:00] | Agrajag-: | see how it goes |
| [11:47:00] | adante: | fatmatt: aye :] |
| [11:47:00] | toom: | hey, shouldn't I see any music stored in settings.MusicLocation directory when I click on /mythweb/music.php ? |
| [11:47:00] | fatmatt: | nine/msn, they must have changed something, found an updated tv_grab_au somehwere |
| [11:48:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah here http://www.immir.com/tv_grab_au |
| [11:48:00] | adante: | last 5 people to talk in this channel have been aussies, gotta be a record |
| [11:48:00] | fatmatt: | when I get time I'm going to switch to the oztivo guide data, |
| [11:48:00] | adante: | oho is there an oztivo grabber? |
| [11:48:00] | toom: | mine worked out of the box |
| [11:48:00] | fatmatt: | yeah |
| [11:48:00] | toom: | # --- new NMSN Australian TV grabber by Michael 'Immir' Smith... |
| [11:48:00] | toom: | # --- $Id: tv_grab_au,v 1.42 2005/11/09 21:22:51 michael Exp $ |
| [11:49:00] | adante: | i really don't understand the state of tv_grab_au.. before immir's there were like a zillion versions floating around and none of them worked, i was so confused :| |
| [11:49:00] | fatmatt: | little bit tricky to configure I think, or at least 15min I haven't looked into yet |
| [11:49:00] | adante: | when this started boinking up i felt myself breaking out in hives |
| [11:49:00] | Agrajag-: | adante: yeah but now everyone sane uses this immir one |
| [11:51:00] | toom: | speaking of tv guides. any idea why mythweb doesn't show the guide? |
| [11:52:00] | fatmatt: | I'm planing on switching to the other guide data, if only because ninemsn can't randomly cause issues. |
| [11:53:00] | toom: | i thought about subscribing to some commercial thing with 3 other mates |
| [11:53:00] | toom: | 3 bucks a week or so |
| [11:53:00] | toom: | shared by 4 people.. |
| [11:54:00] | toom: | doh, i need to ho to HJs :) |
| [11:54:00] | toom: | bbl |
| [11:55:00] | adante: | as a matter of principle i resent paying for guide data |
| [11:56:00] | fatmatt: | saw some set top digital tuners with hard drives in them in harvey norman the other day, they had a bunch of brochures from icetv for guide data on top |
| [11:57:00] | adante: | hm |
| [11:57:00] | adante: | think i'll stick with immir's until ninemsn implodes |
| [11:57:00] | adante: | ain't broke don't fix it (that said after just having fixed it) |
| [11:58:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah i just ran 1.43 and worked fine |
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| [11:59:00] | Agrajag-: | gnight |
| [12:01:00] | adante: | same here, nite |
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| [12:13:00] | PaulWay: | AaaaaarrhrhrhhghghghghghhHH!! |
| [12:13:00] | PaulWay: | Now to learn how to deal with a "all your channels have no PIDs" error. |
| [12:14:00] | adante: | myth is an adventure isn't it paul |
| [12:14:00] | adante: | where ya from? |
| [12:14:00] | PaulWay: | Australia. Canberra. |
| [12:14:00] | adante: | ahh, can't help ya then |
| [12:15:00] | adante: | that's pretty good though, we've got brissy, sydney, melbourne and canberra in here tonight |
| [12:15:00] | adante: | east coast aussies are owning this channel :) |
| [12:15:00] | PaulWay: | The whole of the eastern seaboard. |
| [12:15:00] | PaulWay: | Well, it is night time, time for the geeks to come out... |
| [12:15:00] | adante: | how is canberra? |
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| [12:16:00] | adante: | and just out of curiousity what do you do there? |
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| [12:17:00] | PaulWay: | Well, at the moment I have a right pain in the arse. |
| [12:18:00] | PaulWay: | I've just had to switch over to a different XMLTV feed, and everything's stuffed up righteously. |
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| [12:18:00] | PaulWay: | All my recordings for the last two days have completely not worked, and I can't view any live TV at all. |
| [12:19:00] | PaulWay: | The backend gives a "DVB#0 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup" error. |
| [12:19:00] | adante: | harsh |
| [12:19:00] | adante: | i wouldn't want to re setup mythtv again, had no idea what i was doing the first time |
| [12:19:00] | Gumby: | is it possible to set a card up in mythtv on a slave backend without using mythtv-setup ? |
| [12:19:00] | PaulWay: | And I'm not trying to work out what I have to 'correct' in order to get it working. |
| [12:19:00] | adante: | took me bloody ages to find the SD channels too |
| [12:20:00] | adante: | might be easier just to start from scratch :] |
| [12:20:00] | adante: | and with that.. goodnightx2 |
| [12:20:00] | PaulWay: | night adante – have fun – where are you? |
| [12:20:00] | PaulWay: | The frustrating thing is that if NineMSN hadn't perverted their listings I'd still be cruising. |
| [12:21:00] | PaulWay: | The problem is that we all end up setting up mythtv when we're absolutely new to it. I'm giving a talk at my LUG soon about MythTV and hopefully the few MythTV users we have here can get together and convert a few more the easy 'learn from someone else' way. |
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| [12:25:00] | silkAngel: | Can anyone give me a pointer to some information please? I've made a user job script, which mostly works. The front end gives me the option to pause the job, but I can't find out how to make my job respect this |
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| [12:35:00] | toom: | ah yes |
| [12:36:00] | toom: | PaulWay: how did you know, that you've got this error and where exactly did it happen |
| [12:36:00] | toom: | ? |
| [12:37:00] | toom: | i'm still trying to solve several problem and just don't know where to start |
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| [12:40:00] | toom: | that one shows up in mybackend: Starting up as the master server. |
| [12:40:00] | toom: | is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput. |
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| [12:43:00] | toom: | aha, i'm missing the tuner0 line in the config.. |
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| [13:01:00] | PaulWay: | toom: I ran the frontend from a command line and it told me it couldn't read from the ring buffer. |
| [13:01:00] | PaulWay: | So I thought: "I wonder if the backend is creating the ring buffer?" |
| [13:02:00] | PaulWay: | So I looked in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [13:02:00] | PaulWay: | It told me that there was a problem with the PIDs in the channel setup. |
| [13:03:00] | PaulWay: | I googled on this message and found that it's because the channels have been created but not assigned to a DVB multiplex program identifier. |
| [13:04:00] | PaulWay: | Since the whole thing was a ghastly mess anyway, I found the transport frequencies in the dvb_multiplex table. Then I blew the entire setup away and recreated it from scratch in one go to make it look nice. |
| [13:04:00] | PaulWay: | It now works. |
| [13:04:00] | PaulWay: | toom: use the scientific method. |
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| [13:11:00] | Gumby: | can anyone tell me where abouts a slave backend gets its info as to where it saves its livetv buffer to? |
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| [13:17:00] | toom: | hm, |
| [13:17:00] | toom: | do i really have to have both Tuner 0 AND DVBInput in my database? |
| [13:17:00] | toom: | like there: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005-August/098023.html |
| [13:18:00] | toom: | because I only have DVBInput |
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| [13:21:00] | silkAngel: | Does anyone else find that the "Video List" feature in mythvideo is incredibly slow? |
| [13:23:00] | maino82: | does anyone have any suggestions on how to go about fixing an "Authentication Rejected"/black screen error when starting mythtv? the mailing list mostly says it's not a fatal error and to ignore it, except that mythtv doesn't start at all, so i don't seem how it can not be fatal. |
| [13:24:00] | laga: | maino82: has it come to your mind yet that the error doesn't have to be related to your problem? |
| [13:24:00] | laga: | maino82: my suggestion would be to start mythbackend on the console and watch its output. |
| [13:27:00] | toom: | can i delete videosources? |
| [13:27:00] | maino82: | it gives me the same "Authentication Rejected" message |
| [13:27:00] | laga: | toom: yes. hilight them and hit "m" |
| [13:27:00] | maino82: | sorry i'm fairly new to linux and extremely new to mythtv and mysql so i don't really know what's going on |
| [13:27:00] | laga: | maino82: hehe :) |
| [13:27:00] | laga: | maino82: open a terminal, and type "mythbackend" |
| [13:28:00] | maino82: | laga: i did that and like i said, it gives the same authentication message |
| [13:28:00] | silkAngel: | maino82: Does it give any other errors? |
| [13:28:00] | laga: | maino82: really? that's weird. could you put the complete output on www.pastebin.ca , please? |
| [13:30:00] | maino82: | http://pastebin.ca/28657 |
| [13:30:00] | maino82: | theres a port error to |
| [13:30:00] | maino82: | not sure how to fix that either hehe |
| [13:30:00] | laga: | geee |
| [13:31:00] | laga: | why did you tell it to use port 80? come on, mythtv-setup even tells you not to change this setting, IIRC |
| [13:31:00] | toom: | great |
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| [13:31:00] | toom: | thx laga |
| [13:31:00] | laga: | toom: np |
| [13:31:00] | toom: | now.. mythsetup is trying to run tv_grab_au--config-file '/home/tv/.mythtv/perth.xmltv' --configure which obviously fails |
| [13:31:00] | toom: | -bash: tv_grab_au--config-file: command not found |
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| [13:32:00] | laga: | toom: wow, that's weird! |
| [13:32:00] | toom: | yes, because it's trying to execute everything in the '' as a command i guess |
| [13:33:00] | laga: | toom: quick fix: locate your grabber (/usr/bin/ or /usr/local/bin) and do an ln -s tv_grab_au tv_grab_au--config-file |
| [13:33:00] | toom: | ah.. maybe it's just a typo :) |
| [13:33:00] | laga: | (should work, i believe) |
| [13:33:00] | toom: | works now ;) |
| [13:33:00] | laga: | toom: yes, it is an typo, but i'm not sure how to fix it without hacking the source. |
| [13:33:00] | laga: | toom: what did you do? |
| [13:34:00] | toom: | well, the commandwindow which is running mythsetup sais: 2005-11–14 21:47:01.106 tv_grab_au --config-file '/home/tv/.mythtv/perth.xmltv' |
| [13:34:00] | toom: | --configure |
| [13:34:00] | toom: | 2005-11–14 21:47:01.107 exited with status 256 |
| [13:34:00] | toom: | but i typed: tv_grab_au--config-file without the space |
| [13:35:00] | laga: | toom: oh, you mis-typed it. |
| [13:35:00] | toom: | yes, but anyway, mythsetup is still unable to run the config |
| [13:35:00] | laga: | could be a problem with the grabber, run it on the command line :) |
| [13:35:00] | toom: | maybe because i'm running mythsetup over xforwarding? |
| [13:36:00] | toom: | it's working on the commandline |
| [13:36:00] | laga: | toom: i don't think so. |
| [13:36:00] | laga: | oh, really? that's odd |
| [13:36:00] | laga: | well, just configure on the command line, should work |
| [13:36:00] | toom: | i'll check it without forwarding |
| [13:36:00] | toom: | brb |
| [13:39:00] | toom: | ok, that's working |
| [13:39:00] | laga: | good |
| [13:39:00] | toom: | so, back to the original question |
| [13:39:00] | toom: | do i have to have 2 cardinputs as described in http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005 . . . 098023.html? |
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| [13:41:00] | laga: | toom: could you please elaborate on that? |
| [13:41:00] | toom: | erm, i've got | cardinputid | cardid | sourceid | inputname | |
| [13:41:00] | toom: | | 1 | 1 | 2 | DVBInput | |
| [13:41:00] | toom: | and | sourceid | name | |
| [13:41:00] | toom: | | 2 | perth | |
| [13:41:00] | toom: | because i deleted id 1 5 minutes ago |
| [13:42:00] | toom: | and here we go. tvguide is working |
| [13:42:00] | toom: | thx laga :) |
| [13:42:00] | laga: | no problem :) |
| [13:43:00] | toom: | now i need to name the channel numbers in the tvguide |
| [13:44:00] | toom: | because it sais '1' instead of 'abc' |
| [13:44:00] | toom: | is that possible at all? |
| [13:45:00] | laga: | "abc" as the channel number? |
| [13:47:00] | toom: | the channel name needs to appear somewhere |
| [13:47:00] | toom: | in the guide |
| [13:48:00] | laga: | well. |
| [13:48:00] | toom: | aha |
| [13:48:00] | laga: | wait a second, please |
| [13:48:00] | toom: | could that be 'callsign' ? |
| [13:48:00] | laga: | yep! |
| [13:48:00] | toom: | good ;) |
| [13:48:00] | laga: | not the "channel id" |
| [13:49:00] | laga: | i havent done that so i need to look it up :) |
| [13:49:00] | laga: | and "channel name", of course. |
| [13:50:00] | toom: | yeah, channel name is right, but it had 1001 -1010 as callsign |
| [13:50:00] | toom: | so i wasn't sure if it's save to change that |
| [13:50:00] | silkAngel: | How easy is it to get myth to work with an unknown capture card? I've got a second hand card here, I just put in my knoppmyth box. It says on startup that it has detected it, but when I run mythtv-setup it doesn't have any tuners and I don't know what settings to try |
| [13:50:00] | toom: | might be needed for something internal |
| [13:50:00] | toom: | silkAngel: does it detect the tuner as well? |
| [13:52:00] | toom: | ok, next task |
| [13:52:00] | toom: | when I click on /mythweb/music.php the list is empty |
| [13:53:00] | toom: | but the directory i configured in setup is not |
| [13:53:00] | toom: | it has 1 mp3 in it :) |
| [13:53:00] | laga: | toom: you probably need to scan your music directory. this can be done somewhere in the settings of the frontend |
| [13:53:00] | toom: | and it's readable by the user who is running mythfrontend |
| [13:53:00] | toom: | i've scanned several times |
| [13:53:00] | laga: | toom: but it should scan automagically after you leave mythmusic's settings |
| [13:54:00] | silkAngel: | "KnoppMyth found Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)" is the message I get on reboot. That's all the information I have about the card |
| [13:55:00] | toom: | silkAngel: do you get anything from your device when you cat it? |
| [13:56:00] | toom: | laga: when i select 'Scan for new music' it does something for a fraction of a secound and then returns |
| [13:57:00] | toom: | the commandline doesn't complain |
| [13:57:00] | toom: | no errors |
| [13:57:00] | toom: | mythfrontend finds the song |
| [13:58:00] | laga: | toom: well, it should work then. sorry, dont have any other clues left |
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| [13:58:00] | toom: | wow |
| [13:59:00] | toom: | mythweb can see it, too |
| [13:59:00] | toom: | that's weird |
| [13:59:00] | ** silkAngel feels stupid ** | |
| [13:59:00] | toom: | i didn't change anything |
| [14:02:00] | silkAngel: | I've only been using linux a few years... how do I cat a device? |
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| [14:06:00] | toom: | cat device |
| [14:07:00] | toom: | cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 in my case |
| [14:08:00] | silkAngel: | I figured that much... what I don't know is where the device would be |
| [14:09:00] | ** silkAngel tries /dev/video0 as the only entry in /dev which looks like it might be something video related ** | |
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| [14:10:00] | Krazylegz: | silkAngel: Should be /dev/video or /dev/video0 . |
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| [14:12:00] | silkAngel: | (I never realised /dev had so many entries... first time I've had to browse through it looking for something) |
| [14:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh, yeah, it's all of them. ;-) |
| [14:13:00] | silkAngel: | OK... "cat /dev/video0 >/d/Prodigy/test" causes a mass of RPC errors to flash up, then the box reboots |
| [14:13:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh, so that's not working too well. |
| [14:14:00] | ** Krazylegz looks through the IRC log ** | |
| [14:15:00] | toom: | not really well |
| [14:15:00] | Krazylegz: | silkAngel: So, you don't know which card you have? |
| [14:15:00] | silkAngel: | Krazylegz: No... I got it cheap second hand, no box, disk or paperwork |
| [14:16:00] | silkAngel: | (Cheap in this case being 1.99) |
| [14:16:00] | Krazylegz: | Then do dmesg > myDmesg and paste all of that into Pastebin. |
| [14:16:00] | otwin: | silkAngel: 'lspci' will probably tell you what card it is |
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| [14:17:00] | Krazylegz: | That would also help. |
| [14:17:00] | toom: | how weird is that, the visualisation plugin works on the xforwarded mythfrontend but it doesn't on the local one |
| [14:18:00] | silkAngel: | It doesn't seem to be starting up... it got as far as portmap and has apparently stopped with no network or drive activity |
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| [14:19:00] | Krazylegz: | silkAngel: Your system pooped? |
| [14:20:00] | silkAngel: | Yeah... seems to have gone completely mad |
| [14:20:00] | silkAngel: | Now its spewing out messages about how it can't connect to ISDN provider |
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| [14:25:00] | toom: | do I have to scan the recordings directory as well, before they show up? |
| [14:27:00] | laga: | toom: nope. |
| [14:28:00] | toom: | ok, so RecordFilePrefix in the database is where my files are |
| [14:28:00] | laga: | righto. |
| [14:30:00] | toom: | again, mythfrontenduser can play the movies in there |
| [14:30:00] | toom: | it's an .mpg, does that somehow matter? |
| [14:32:00] | silkAngel: | OK... I think knoppmyth has some weirdness in the setup. If I try to mount any NFS or SMB fs, it fails because it can't connect to "64.30.204.166" |
| [14:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe it' trying to talk to a domain or wins server ? |
| [14:33:00] | laga: | toom: duh. |
| [14:33:00] | laga: | toom: did you put some random .mpg file in your recordings directory? |
| [14:33:00] | toom: | just one :) |
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| [14:33:00] | toom: | that's not the way to do it? |
| [14:33:00] | Hal: | c.f. mythvideo |
| [14:35:00] | toom: | c.f.? |
| [14:35:00] | silkAngel: | That IP is apparently mysettopbox.tv ... for some reason, my resolv.conf has been overwritten with rubbish |
| [14:38:00] | Hal: | toom: if you want to view random .mpg files, look at the mythvideo plugin |
| [14:39:00] | toom: | i just discovered that |
| [14:39:00] | toom: | thanks |
| [14:39:00] | Hal: | It is, unfortunately, not as seemless as one (or at least I) would like, but it does the job. |
| [14:39:00] | toom: | if it really sucks, i'll just use mplayer :) |
| [14:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | Not seamless how? Cause the Video List/tree looks different ? |
| [14:40:00] | Hal: | toom: it'll work just fine |
| [14:40:00] | Hal: | Because my television recordings and my DVD rips are treated so differently. |
| [14:40:00] | toom: | i'll see soon |
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| [14:40:00] | voidnull: | hi |
| [14:41:00] | silkAngel: | Is it possible to use the internal player (the one used for recordings) to watch other videos? |
| [14:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hal, personally I prefer them separate :) |
| [14:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | silkAngel: YEs |
| [14:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | Just configure mythvideo to use "Internal" as the video player |
| [14:41:00] | silkAngel: | Cheers :) |
| [14:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | so yo have the same controls/OSD/etc as when watching a recording |
| [14:41:00] | Hal: | GreyFoxx: Hmm....why? |
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| [14:42:00] | Hal: | GreyFoxx: That's a hard question to answer, I realize. |
| [14:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hal, cause Ihave about 1000 "static" items in my video collection, but my recordings come and go rapidly. |
| [14:43:00] | Hal: | GreyFoxx: nod |
| [14:43:00] | Hal: | GreyFoxx: I have difficulty distinguishing between recordings that I want to keep and recordings that I will watch and then delete. |
| [14:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | I delete 99.9% of my recordings heh |
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| [14:44:00] | Hal: | GreyFoxx: I have the same problem with the video collection as well (my kid's stuff is relatively permanent, but my DVD rips of a series are transient) |
| [14:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | My video collection permanent for the most part |
| [14:46:00] | Hal: | Probably makes sense to first see if there's a better way to distinguish transient and permanent recordings |
| [14:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | Any recordings I plan on keeping/transcoding are rare. And when I transcode them I move them out of the recordings and into the video collection sorted by directory name |
| [14:47:00] | Hal: | nod |
| [14:47:00] | silkAngel: | I tend to transcode&move my recordings to the videos fileserver if I want to keep them... only problem is the time it takes to generate the videos list |
| [14:47:00] | Hal: | how many items do you have? |
| [14:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | silkAngel: Use "video List" or the gallery and such ? |
| [14:48:00] | silkAngel: | The video list, so everything is nicely ordered |
| [14:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Using SVN ? |
| [14:48:00] | silkAngel: | Takes 4–5 minutes to generate the list, with ~4300 videos |
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| [14:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | I just made some changed to MythVideo that significantly speed up the generation of the video list. One guy had 3k videos over samba and it was taking a couple minutes to load the video list, now it takes him 5 seconds |
| [14:49:00] | sphing: | silk so you just use mythname.pl to get the name? |
| [14:49:00] | silkAngel: | mythname? |
| [14:50:00] | sphing: | err... from the contrib directory... i think thats what its called |
| [14:50:00] | sphing: | just gets the name of the file from the db |
| [14:50:00] | silkAngel: | Oh, I hadn't seen that |
| [14:50:00] | sphing: | you manually rename? |
| [14:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | silkAngel: Running SVN or 0.18 ? |
| [14:51:00] | silkAngel: | I use my own perl script to handle transcoding, set up as a user job. Finishes by connecting to the database and copying the record from 'recorded' to 'videometadata' (title, plot summary, thumbnail image etc.) |
| [14:52:00] | silkAngel: | The box downstairs is on SVN, a week or so ago I think |
| [14:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | ok. the MythVideo speed up stuff was just like 2 or so days ago. It will make a significant difference when loading the video list |
| [14:53:00] | sphing: | grey... so get the mythvideo svn? |
| [14:53:00] | silkAngel: | GreyFoxx: Many thanks :) I'll ask him to update it when he gets home |
| [14:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: Well if he's already running svn and would like to help get rid of the long list generation time then yes I would recommend updating :)( |
| [14:54:00] | sphing: | i'm running 18.1 and the load time isn't ridiculous |
| [14:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | silkAngel: there is a new option in the update that you will want to DISABLE to speed up the list generation. "Video List loads meta data" |
| [14:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: It is when you have thousands of files, somettimes on networked file systems |
| [14:55:00] | sphing: | the mythmusic takes FOREVER |
| [14:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think there is someone working on mythmusic, including list loading speed improvements |
| [14:57:00] | sphing: | ah... because it takes several seconds with only a couple thousand files |
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| [15:00:00] | silkAngel: | Ah... apparently we already have the latest SVN version built, so I should be seeing the nice faster list next time the frontend is restarted :) |
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| [15:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | silkAngel:Don't forget, like I said you will want to uncheck that setting in the mythvideo setup screens |
| [15:01:00] | ** silkAngel nods ** | |
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| [15:04:00] | ** silkAngel gives up with knoppmyth for the new second backend... I figure it'll be easier to install a clean OS ** | |
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| [15:06:00] | silkAngel: | (It was originally a knoppmyth box, updated to SVN version when the master was in October. But some init stuff keeps trashing interfaces and resolv.conf, which is really annoying) |
| [15:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've never seen 3knoppmyth. But I can imagine that would be annoying :) |
| [15:09:00] | silkAngel: | Every other time I reboot it, I lose all the NFS/SMB drives because its trying to use mysettopbox.tv as a DNS server |
| [15:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | Sounds like regular old configuration issues to me :) |
| [15:11:00] | silkAngel: | Oh... "Don't use knoppmyth R5A22" ...why couldn't they say that before I installed it? |
| [15:11:00] | silkAngel: | Thanks muchly folks :) I'm off to fix things... |
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| [15:22:00] | simon_c: | Hi All. |
| [15:22:00] | simon_c: | Picked up a hauppauge nova-t card yesterday. Supprisingly, from PCWorld.!! Only £40 !!!! |
| [15:23:00] | simon_c: | I was damn supprised. |
| [15:25:00] | juski: | £40? I got my last dvb-t tuner for £12 brand new |
| [15:25:00] | juski: | ;) |
| [15:25:00] | juski: | still – a v. good price for *that place* simon_c |
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| [15:33:00] | simon_c: | Damn beta software ! |
| [15:34:00] | simon_c: | Where do you get terestrial digital cards for £12 ? |
| [15:35:00] | simon_c: | Even ebuyer was showing the nova-t cards for £52+vat |
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| [15:48:00] | juski: | pah.. ebuyer... try ebay :) |
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| [15:49:00] | juski: | try ebay, simon_c, though I suppose I just got lucky (3 times) |
| [15:50:00] | simon_c_home: | juski: Ahhh. |
| [15:50:00] | simon_c_home: | Thanks. |
| [15:50:00] | juski: | the age old story – bought a PCI card.. it didn't work in Windows (crash, hang, reboot etc) & I ended up going down the linux route |
| [15:51:00] | simon_c_home: | I'm fairly sure the nova-t will work in linux. |
| [15:52:00] | juski: | was probably one of the 1st to work actually |
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| [15:53:00] | simon_c_home: | I was well supprised I found it in there. Just went in to punnish the other half for dragging me out shopping. |
| [15:53:00] | Cougar: | does anyone know, is there any way to listen and record radiostations with mythtv? |
| [15:54:00] | simon_c_home: | Nope. But I'd like to. Both over the air, and from streaming radio stations ! |
| [15:55:00] | juski: | there's been some work started on that. It was called mythfm I think |
| [15:55:00] | Cougar: | I'm so used to seek back and forward during livetv that I'd really miss that I can't do it with radio. and pause also ;-) |
| [15:55:00] | juski: | and there's also been some work done on dvb radio |
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| [15:56:00] | Cougar: | ok, should look around. thanks for hint |
| [15:56:00] | juski: | used to be very simple to record radio streams from dvb-t in mythtv 0.16 when you could populate the PID tables yourself (i.e. when there still *were* PID tables) |
| [15:57:00] | toom: | wow |
| [15:57:00] | toom: | i've got load 2.4 while watching live tv |
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| [15:58:00] | juski: | I think there might still be a patch floating round to allow DVB-T radio to be recorded, but the last I read about it, you couldn't use the mythtv player.. it choked when there's no video |
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| [15:58:00] | juski: | toom: all sorted then? |
| [16:00:00] | simon_c_home: | One of the things I'll put on the "interesting things to look at" pile to look at after christmas |
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| [16:00:00] | simon_c: | (not sure christmas which year ;-) ) |
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| [16:01:00] | toom: | juski: not really, but i've got a good hint for you. tzap -r reverts the output back to /dev/blah/dvr0 :) |
| [16:02:00] | toom: | and of course mythtv isn't working, because I obviously did several things wrong, so i just used mplayer and cat to watch |
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| [16:03:00] | fir3st0rm: | hi |
| [16:03:00] | fir3st0rm: | i've got some problems with sound from my tvcard |
| [16:03:00] | juski: | toom: d'oh.. |
| [16:03:00] | toom: | juski: yes ;) |
| [16:04:00] | fir3st0rm: | i want to get the sound by the onboard soundcard and output it with my audigy player |
| [16:04:00] | juski: | guess what.. that was the problem I was having all that time ago! (blush) |
| [16:04:00] | toom: | juski: now you've learned it twice and will never forget it :) |
| [16:05:00] | fir3st0rm: | i've set up my onboard card as tone input in mythtv-setup |
| [16:05:00] | fir3st0rm: | but i don't get sound in mythtv |
| [16:05:00] | fir3st0rm: | any ideas? |
| [16:05:00] | toom: | i don't |
| [16:06:00] | fir3st0rm: | tvcard aux-out -> onboard card aux in -> audigy player output |
| [16:06:00] | fir3st0rm: | can't get it working :/ |
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| [16:07:00] | simon_c: | audigy player is a sound card ? |
| [16:07:00] | fir3st0rm: | yep |
| [16:07:00] | toom: | mplayer is using 77% and X another 11% of the cpu, everything else must be magic signaltransportation. is that normal? |
| [16:07:00] | simon_c: | fir3st0rm: have you confirmed the sound is getting to the inbuilt card ? |
| [16:07:00] | fir3st0rm: | i'd also agree with tvcard aux-out -> audigy player output |
| [16:08:00] | fir3st0rm: | but i hear the sound twice |
| [16:08:00] | juski: | toom: since the video & audio are already embedded in an mpeg stream... ;) |
| [16:08:00] | fir3st0rm: | yep |
| [16:08:00] | DarwinUsr: | is the tv input from coax |
| [16:08:00] | simon_c: | fir3st0rm: That's your mixer settings if you hear stuff twice. |
| [16:08:00] | simon_c: | fir3st0rm: It's in the docs. Somewhere. |
| [16:08:00] | juski: | fir3st0rm: so must the line input of the soundcard (playback setting, not in recording) |
| [16:08:00] | juski: | must? I meant **mute** |
| [16:09:00] | toom: | juski: yes? |
| [16:09:00] | fir3st0rm: | yeah i can do this |
| [16:09:00] | fir3st0rm: | but then there's no sound at all from tv |
| [16:09:00] | fir3st0rm: | brb |
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| [16:17:00] | fir3st0rm: | seems like i found my problem |
| [16:18:00] | fir3st0rm: | i need to config asoundrc first |
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| [16:35:00] | voidnull^: | Is here an italian user of mythtv for help? |
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| [16:42:00] | gnoob: | howdy all. |
| [16:43:00] | gnoob: | Is myth mostly stable enough where I could set up a machine for my mom and it be reliable? |
| [16:44:00] | toom: | mythvideo is fine, laga |
| [16:44:00] | juski: | gnoob: if you use the 'stable' branch (i.e. latest release), yes |
| [16:44:00] | toom: | at least the webinterface. didn't try the videoplayer yet |
| [16:44:00] | gnoob: | yeah, I would use that. |
| [16:46:00] | gnoob: | and just to check if i have a 1.8ghz with i think 512MB RAM that should be plenty of power? |
| [16:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | gnoob: I did one up for my parents and they have no complaints. Just gathering the hardware to put one together for my grandmother after she spent a week at my parents using theirs :) |
| [16:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | gnoob: That would be fine |
| [16:46:00] | gnoob: | nice |
| [16:47:00] | gnoob: | would that also be enought if they ever had two TV cards so they could record and watch at the same time? |
| [16:48:00] | gnoob: | or record two shows |
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| [16:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | gnoob: That would really depend on what kind of capture cards you are doing |
| [16:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | and if you are using regular cable or HDTV |
| [16:50:00] | toom: | n8 |
| [16:51:00] | gnoob: | they have regular cable and probably would not spring for anything more than cheap BTTV cards. Anything else they would think costs to much. |
| [16:51:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cheap bttv cads require more CPU for captuer |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | cost of ownership of a bttv is likely at least as high as a PVR150 when you take into account the extra CPU required... and the crashiness |
| [16:52:00] | gnoob: | well I already have the 1.8CPU. |
| [16:52:00] | gnoob: | so there is no cost there. |
| [16:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | for 2 streams and playback that might not be enough |
| [16:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | if you use bttv cards |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [16:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | pvr 150's do the compression on hardware so capturing uses no cpu, and they re like $69 US and down |
| [16:53:00] | Beirdo: | whereas a Sempron 2800+ is happily idling running 3 PVR-250s and playback |
| [16:53:00] | gnoob: | actually now that i think about it. I am getting the 2.4Ghz card. My dad is ceaping the 1.8 for some work stuff. |
| [16:53:00] | gnoob: | i mean 2.4ghz CPU. |
| [16:55:00] | sphing: | how do you get HD from a cable box? |
| [16:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | bttv cards are a waste of cpu, but it's yours to do withas you please :) |
| [16:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: Either over firewire or you get the downscaled signal over svideo and such |
| [16:55:00] | gnoob: | hmm, maybe i can convince them to get a quality card then. |
| [16:55:00] | sphing: | like do you have to use rca/svideo |
| [16:56:00] | sphing: | ahh gotcha... so you pretty much have to use firewire to keep good signal? |
| [16:56:00] | sphing: | assuming you can figure out how to get firewire working |
| [16:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: If you are using a cable box yeah |
| [16:56:00] | gnoob: | is knoppymyth a simple easy way to install? Should i just go that route since the system will only be for myth? |
| [16:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | Never used it so I can't comment |
| [16:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | The best to use is whatever distro you are most familiar with |
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| [16:58:00] | Krazylegz: | I usually use Gentoo, but I use KnoppMyth for my current Mythbox. |
| [16:58:00] | gnoob: | well, i use Gentoo but i am not great at linux yet. Figured it may be easy just t use knoppmyth. |
| [16:58:00] | Krazylegz: | Might be. One way for you to find out! |
| [16:59:00] | gnoob: | yup |
| [17:03:00] | DarwinUsr: | gnoob, knoppmyth is very easy |
| [17:03:00] | gnoob: | cool |
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| [17:04:00] | DarwinUsr: | gnoob, you dont even have to worry about anything, put in disc reboot...and your pretty much done |
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| [17:14:00] | poonj: | hey guys |
| [17:14:00] | poonj: | when I play a DVD in mythdvd |
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| [17:14:00] | poonj: | how can I get the menus to show up? |
| [17:17:00] | juski: | poonj: use vlc or xine |
| [17:17:00] | poonj: | okay |
| [17:17:00] | stoffel: | by not using mplayer or the internal player as they don't support menues |
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| [17:17:00] | mofu_: | I think ogle also supports menus |
| [17:17:00] | poonj: | you use vlc? |
| [17:17:00] | poonj: | ogle does I think |
| [17:18:00] | juski: | mofu_: it does |
| [17:18:00] | poonj: | also, do you guys rip dvds in mythdvd? |
| [17:18:00] | juski: | I use xine.. pretty much faultless ;) |
| [17:18:00] | poonj: | after ripping a dvd, I believe the dvd gets mounted |
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| [17:19:00] | poonj: | so I can't eject the DVD from the dvd-rom by pushing the eject button I actually have to unmount from the console. is there a way around that? |
| [17:19:00] | Krazylegz: | No xris today? |
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| [17:20:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh. |
| [17:20:00] | ivor: | spooky. |
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| [17:27:00] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [17:27:00] | kormoc: | xris is a mind reader. |
| [17:28:00] | Krazylegz: | kormoc: So, he knew at 8:30 this morning that you were going to be late? :-P |
| [17:28:00] | xris: | kormoc wasn't late |
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| [17:28:00] | Krazylegz: | Doh. |
| [17:28:00] | kormoc: | :P |
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| [17:39:00] | Silence_: | what would be a reasonable minimum cpu to record in hd and use as a regular desktop (surf web/ email)? |
| [17:40:00] | juski: | recording HDTV doesn't need *that* much CPU AFAIK.. probably get away with <2GHz so long as the system could keep up with all the IO |
| [17:41:00] | juski: | well I say 'all'.. it's only like 15Mbits/sec isn't it |
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| [17:43:00] | Silence_: | what would make the difference between being able to keep up with the IO, faster fsb, hdd? |
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| [17:47:00] | Nelo: | Hello I found a tv tunner, TV Tuner Card with Remote Control wit PCI, brand name s FMI. will this card work or can u refer me to a web site for more info? |
| [17:48:00] | NightBird: | depends on the card |
| [17:48:00] | NightBird: | if the card is supported by linux, then probably |
| [17:48:00] | Nelo: | thanks |
| [17:49:00] | juski: | Nelo: find out what chipset it uses (probably BT878 or phillips saa7134 or something)... then search for linux supporting the chipset |
| [17:49:00] | kormoc: | Nelo, as for a website to help, the mythtv website has a list of what cards work and all that. |
| [17:50:00] | juski: | IIRC, it |
| [17:50:00] | juski: | it'll probably just be a cheapo bttv card |
| [17:50:00] | fir3st0rm: | does someone know how to convert the tvtime frequencies to mythtv? |
| [17:50:00] | Nelo: | will do thanks |
| [17:50:00] | Nelo: | it is cheap $20 |
| [17:50:00] | juski: | eew |
| [17:50:00] | poonj: | compusa? |
| [17:50:00] | Nelo: | yeah |
| [17:51:00] | poonj: | you buy it yet? |
| [17:51:00] | Nelo: | nope |
| [17:51:00] | poonj: | I heard its mono |
| [17:51:00] | poonj: | for sound..... |
| [17:51:00] | kormoc: | Nelo, likly it's a bt848 or similar, and it'll eat cpu cycles for lunch and come back for more, as well as have rather lowish quality. |
| [17:52:00] | Nelo: | hey thanks for the info. |
| [17:52:00] | Nelo: | yeah iwas reading about those cards in the myth page. |
| [17:52:00] | kormoc: | Nelo, you really should get a pvr 150 imho |
| [17:53:00] | paulz`: | anyone using an IR blaster to control channels on a digital cable set-top box? |
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| [17:53:00] | Nelo: | yeah. well i know what to get me for xmas. thanks all. |
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| [17:55:00] | Nelo: | kormoc is that the Win TV-PVR-150? |
| [17:55:00] | kormoc: | Nelo, yeah |
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| [17:56:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [17:56:00] | Chutt: | some fuckwit is reporting mythtv-dev mail as spam |
| [17:56:00] | Chutt: | on spamcop |
| [17:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | Idiots abound |
| [17:57:00] | Nelo: | thanks all |
| [17:57:00] | Chutt: | and of course, the people we use for hosting didn't bother to read the actual emails |
| [17:57:00] | Nelo: | part * |
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| [17:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | Chutt: Lemme gues, the idiot couldn't figure out how to get off the mailing list and started to consider it spam ? |
| [17:59:00] | Chutt: | apparently |
| [17:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | I mean, sheesh yuou have to actually signup and confirm to get on it, therefore it can't be s[pam |
| [17:59:00] | paulz`: | good luck getting off spamcop's list |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | spamcop is Soooo retarded |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | so much crap data in there it's useless |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | they put our customer relays in there as "open relays" |
| [18:01:00] | Beirdo: | of course the retard who reported it was a fucking customer |
| [18:01:00] | Beirdo: | it's SUPPOSED to be open to you, retard! |
| [18:01:00] | opello: | lol |
| [18:01:00] | Beirdo: | that's what you pay us for |
| [18:02:00] | Beirdo: | of course, we fought them to remove it... |
| [18:02:00] | Beirdo: | a month later it was back. |
| [18:03:00] | Beirdo: | so we tell our customers... don't use DNSRBL, spamcop, etc, etc. |
| [18:03:00] | Beirdo: | otherwise half your mail will never arrive |
| [18:04:00] | Chutt: | i dunno |
| [18:04:00] | Chutt: | i think people could do the minor checking to see that this was an obvious mailing list message |
| [18:04:00] | Beirdo: | you'd think so |
| [18:05:00] | Beirdo: | of course, I need to tweak my spamassassin at home with a sledgehammer |
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| [18:05:00] | paulz`: | the best is when people use a list and update it like twice a year |
| [18:05:00] | Beirdo: | letting way too much spam in right now :( |
| [18:06:00] | juski: | iiiiiiiiit's hometime (yay!) |
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| [18:06:00] | Beirdo: | silly brits |
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| [18:21:00] | pyrodex: | Question, when configuring a PVR-500 for mythtv and your setting up the channel inputs under mythtvsetup, Tuner0 is used for both inputs on the card right? IE assign tuner0 to the listings for the pvr-500 listing |
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| [18:30:00] | fir3st0rm: | someone knows how i can add a channel manually? (there's no epg for it) |
| [18:30:00] | Krazylegz: | pyrodex: I think you should have two tuners if your PVR-500 is setup right. |
| [18:30:00] | Krazylegz: | tuner0 and tuner1. |
| [18:31:00] | fir3st0rm: | anyone? |
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| [18:36:00] | pyrodex: | Krazylegz I have /dev/video1 and /dev/video2 (Have a pvr-350 in there for /dev/video0 already) but I am assigning video sources to the inputs and I read /dev/video1 & 2 both get assigned Tuner0 |
| [18:36:00] | otwin: | fir3st0rm: i had to setup all my channels manually and did it through phpmyadmin |
| [18:36:00] | pyrodex: | I had it setup and had to change some stuff due to channel lineup changes. |
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| [18:39:00] | fir3st0rm: | hum |
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| [18:42:00] | paulz`: | anyone using an IR blaster or serial connection to control a cable box? having some trouble finding info on my cable box....looking to see whether the serial port in the back of it are enabled |
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| [18:52:00] | pridkett: | hey folks, so I'm pretty sure my hd3000 issue is mobo related. Can someone recommend a socket 939 that they have working with the hd3000? |
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| [19:33:00] | ** jayeff pings xris ** | |
| [19:34:00] | xris: | ? |
| [19:34:00] | jayeff: | aha |
| [19:34:00] | jayeff: | i was after a little help with nuvexport |
| [19:34:00] | jayeff: | you are the man, are you not? |
| [19:34:00] | xris: | for parts of it, yes |
| [19:34:00] | laga: | that reminds me, i still have to bug the transcode people. |
| [19:35:00] | jayeff: | i'm trying to export a recording using nuvexport-xvid |
| [19:35:00] | laga: | happens to the best of us |
| [19:35:00] | jayeff: | but the cvs version of ffmpeg appears not to support the switches used by nuvexport |
| [19:36:00] | xris: | yeah, they keep changing them |
| [19:36:00] | jayeff: | and the "release" versions of ffmpeg appear not to support xvid |
| [19:36:00] | xris: | mjpegtools has been doing it, too |
| [19:36:00] | jayeff: | is there any sort of "reference" release of ffmpeg that works with nuvexport as it stands? |
| [19:37:00] | xris: | whatever is currently installed on my fc3 box via atrpms |
| [19:37:00] | xris: | haven't had time to upgrade anything in awhile. |
| [19:37:00] | jayeff: | ah, now there's a plan |
| [19:37:00] | xris: | ffmpeg-0.4.9–9_cvs20050517.rhfc3.at |
| [19:37:00] | jayeff: | cool |
| [19:38:00] | xris: | I try not to touch my mythbox when it's working |
| [19:38:00] | xris: | since I break it too often |
| [19:40:00] | jayeff: | hmm, i'm using fc4 and it looks like they don't have that exact release downloadable, but that's easy enough to sort |
| [19:42:00] | xris: | or I could upgrade and fix it tonight... |
| [19:42:00] | xris: | nope, looks like that's as big as it gets for fc3 |
| [19:42:00] | xris: | stupid program |
| [19:42:00] | laga: | xris: hehe. same for me. but life is pretty good with debian sarge. |
| [19:42:00] | xris: | really wish they wouldn't change versions like that. |
| [19:42:00] | xris: | or rather cli options |
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| [19:43:00] | jayeff: | yeah, it's been an irritating weekend trying to sort that mess out |
| [19:44:00] | jayeff: | i've tried removing the options that didn't work, building the earlier ffmpeg code with the later avcodec/avformat libraries |
| [19:44:00] | jayeff: | nothing actually worked |
| [19:44:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [19:44:00] | xris: | there's plenty of traffic about it on the mailing list |
| [19:44:00] | laga: | it's time for me to draft an email to the transcode ML, i can't get this sorted out myself |
| [19:45:00] | jayeff: | i'd seen there was some, but i have trouble keeping up with the list, tbh |
| [19:46:00] | xris: | I really wish that I could NOT install atrpms and get stuff like the latest ffmpeg |
| [19:47:00] | jayeff: | err, why can't you? |
| [19:47:00] | xris: | because atrpms is the only one to supply such things |
| [19:48:00] | xris: | thus my slow migration to ubuntu |
| [19:48:00] | laga: | you could roll your own, but that sucks. |
| [19:48:00] | laga: | xris: ubuntu gives you ffmpeg. |
| [19:48:00] | xris: | laga: I already do for mythtv packages... |
| [19:48:00] | xris: | and yeah, ffmpeg is in universe |
| [19:48:00] | xris: | unfortunately, ubuntu doesn't do ivtv drivers |
| [19:48:00] | laga: | xris: so do i. it's quite simple in debian. but stuff like mplayer or ffmpeg is a bitch to update |
| [19:49:00] | laga: | xris: just install them the old-fashioned way |
| [19:49:00] | xris: | yeah. annoying. |
| [19:49:00] | xris: | I like apt-getting the firmware updates, etc. |
| [19:49:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [19:49:00] | laga: | last friday, i installed ubuntu on my laptop and i'm quite impressed. |
| [19:50:00] | laga: | some of the gnome stuff just sucks, but that's easily replaced. |
| [19:50:00] | jayeff: | *chuckle* "gnome stuff just sucks — film at 11" |
| [19:50:00] | xris: | laga: yeah. I just added teh kubuntu repositories. |
| [19:51:00] | laga: | xris: hehe. |
| [19:51:00] | xris: | next time I'll likely just start with kubuntu |
| [19:51:00] | laga: | xris: i'm very unimpressed by totem. |
| [19:51:00] | xris: | never used it |
| [19:51:00] | Krazylegz: | I like Gnome, but I can usually do without the GUI admin crap. |
| [19:51:00] | laga: | xris: or any of their system administration stuff. |
| [19:51:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: I used gnome for YEARS, but they're going the WRONG way as far as UI goes. |
| [19:51:00] | laga: | Krazylegz: yes! i've tried to use the "shared folders" stuff today. omg. |
| [19:51:00] | Chutt: | 'going'? |
| [19:51:00] | Krazylegz: | I actually haven't upgraded lately. |
| [19:52:00] | xris: | kde seems better at handling gnome/gtk apps than gnome is. |
| [19:52:00] | laga: | xris: they oversimplify stuff till it hurts. |
| [19:52:00] | Krazylegz: | Since I'm on Gentoo.....and the idea of compiling all of that stuff suddenly doesn't sound appealing. |
| [19:52:00] | xris: | laga: they're going backwards... "advancing" to what apple's system 7/8/9 did. |
| [19:52:00] | Krazylegz: | Even with distcc. |
| [19:52:00] | laga: | xris: ouch |
| [19:52:00] | laga: | Krazylegz: that's why i switched from gentoo to ubuntu. |
| [19:52:00] | laga: | even suspend to disk works out of the box. nice. |
| [19:53:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, I do like Portage, so I'll probably stick with Gentoo. |
| [19:53:00] | xris: | kde finally has all of the features I want from gnome (just had to submit some bugs with "gnome does this, why doesn't kde?")... still has a few lingering ones like control-alt-keypad not working for hotkeys, but they're livable now. |
| [19:53:00] | Krazylegz: | Just have to be less lazy, and use Windows less often for work. |
| [19:53:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: why not just install the binary packages? |
| [19:53:00] | laga: | Krazylegz: yes, it has its advantages |
| [19:54:00] | Krazylegz: | xris: Are there binaries more often now? |
| [19:54:00] | xris: | according to kormoc there are quite a few |
| [19:55:00] | Krazylegz: | When I used Gentoo a lot, there weren't. I haven't checked in a long time. |
| [19:55:00] | Krazylegz: | I'll try that then. |
| [19:55:00] | Krazylegz: | Thanks. |
| [19:55:00] | Krazylegz: | I'll checkout this Gnome LiveCD first. |
| [19:55:00] | Krazylegz: | See what the latest version of Gnome is up to. |
| [19:56:00] | xris: | just use kde. heh |
| [19:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Nah, never liked KDE. |
| [19:56:00] | Krazylegz: | I should use evilWM. I liked that one. |
| [19:56:00] | Krazylegz: | I usually like Gnome too. |
| [19:57:00] | laga: | kde sucks as well :) |
| [19:57:00] | xris: | sucks less, though |
| [19:57:00] | ** Krazylegz joins #wm-hate ** | |
| [19:58:00] | jayeff: | i'd quite happily have stuck with fvwm1 |
| [19:58:00] | kormoc: | I want a very lightweight, multimontor (xinerama and miltiple screen aware) window manager. |
| [19:58:00] | jayeff: | that went to the dogs when they started making it look like win98 |
| [19:58:00] | laga: | kormoc: probably fluxbox? |
| [19:59:00] | ** xris will eventually just move to osx ** | |
| [19:59:00] | kormoc: | when I've played with fluxbox, it just hasn't really worked out very well |
| [20:02:00] | laga: | xris: sounds nice. |
| [20:02:00] | mrec: | is there any way to increase the videoquality? |
| [20:02:00] | xris: | mrec: turn up the bitrade |
| [20:02:00] | xris: | bitrate |
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| [20:02:00] | jayeff: | well, i've just built ffmpeg 0.4.9–10 from the source rpm and that appears to work fine |
| [20:03:00] | xris: | turn on the checkbox options to help with interlacing, etc. |
| [20:03:00] | xris: | jayeff: I'll try to upgrade nuvexport this week |
| [20:04:00] | mrec: | hmm where can I set the bitrate? |
| [20:05:00] | xris: | recording profiles |
| [20:06:00] | jayeff: | the most notable change with the latest ffmpeg is that the -hq flag has disappeared |
| [20:06:00] | jayeff: | no idea why, or what replaces it, if anything |
| [20:07:00] | xris: | yeah |
| [20:07:00] | xris: | no clue |
| [20:07:00] | jayeff: | but, as i now appear to have a working solution, i shan't cry over it |
| [20:07:00] | xris: | yuvdenoise has changed, too |
| [20:07:00] | jayeff: | at least, as long as the output looks ok |
| [20:07:00] | jayeff: | yeah, i saw that |
| [20:07:00] | jayeff: | i wanted to use yuvdenoise, too |
| [20:07:00] | xris: | I just use --transcode |
| [20:07:00] | xris: | ffmpeg's xvid sucks |
| [20:08:00] | jayeff: | now he tells me :) |
| [20:08:00] | xris: | not my fault you didn't read the docs |
| [20:08:00] | jayeff: | read documentation? do people do that? |
| [20:08:00] | xris: | though I think the "... sucks" bit is only in the archive from here and the mailing list |
| [20:08:00] | xris: | ffmpeg is better for mpeg encoding, but xvid is better from transcode |
| [20:09:00] | ** laga doesn't use nuvexport at all because --ffmpeg and --transcode are broken on his setup ** | |
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| [20:09:00] | jayeff: | where in the docs does it say that? |
| [20:09:00] | xris: | jayeff: explains --transcode in the nuvexportrc file |
| [20:10:00] | jayeff: | ahhh |
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| [20:14:00] | mrec: | hmm quality is still very bad :( |
| [20:14:00] | mrec: | it should at least have a quality like tvtime |
| [20:15:00] | jayeff: | well, i can't find where it says to use transcode for xvid, but i'm happy just to accept that and go with the flow :) |
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| [20:21:00] | xris: | jayeff: like I said, the "... sucks" bit is in the list/irc archives |
| [20:21:00] | jayeff: | ah, ok |
| [20:28:00] | a1fa: | hi |
| [20:28:00] | a1fa: | i hate this |
| [20:28:00] | a1fa: | anybody else have via chipset |
| [20:28:00] | a1fa: | i need a remedy.. i hate this awful lag/delay |
| [20:28:00] | a1fa: | when i watch tv, its 22% cpu util |
| [20:29:00] | a1fa: | Cpu(s): 25.6% us, 2.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 56.5% id, 1.0% wa, 13.3% hi, 1.3% si |
| [20:29:00] | a1fa: | primeministerp: 256748k total, 254672k used, 2076k free, 396k buffers |
| [20:29:00] | a1fa: | it looks like all the memory is used |
| [20:29:00] | a1fa: | hda: DMA timeout error |
| [20:31:00] | jayeff: | you have 256MB total memory in the box? |
| [20:31:00] | squash: | do you have swap? |
| [20:32:00] | jayeff: | i'd have thought you'd need some |
| [20:33:00] | a1fa: | yes |
| [20:33:00] | a1fa: | 700mb of swap |
| [20:33:00] | jayeff: | so is any of it used? |
| [20:33:00] | a1fa: | 56k |
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| [20:35:00] | a1fa: | my box just froze |
| [20:35:00] | jayeff: | is the dma timeout on a read or a write? |
| [20:35:00] | a1fa: | :P |
| [20:35:00] | a1fa: | hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 |
| [20:35:00] | a1fa: | hda: DMA timeout error |
| [20:35:00] | a1fa: | hda: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| [20:35:00] | a1fa: | oh wow |
| [20:35:00] | a1fa: | i just loaded |
| [20:36:00] | a1fa: | via chipset |
| [20:36:00] | a1fa: | and now everything is fcuked |
| [20:36:00] | a1fa: | via82cxxx |
| [20:36:00] | a1fa: | Cpu(s): 59.1% us, 22.1% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 17.8% hi, 1.0% si |
| [20:36:00] | a1fa: | its using more cpu now |
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| [20:37:00] | a1fa: | lol |
| [20:40:00] | a1fa: | i dunno what to tell yaaaaaaaaaa anybody got a cure for this crap |
| [20:40:00] | jayeff: | are you certain the disk isn't broken? |
| [20:40:00] | a1fa: | brand new disk |
| [20:40:00] | a1fa: | i doubt it |
| [20:42:00] | a1fa: | i am using ext3 |
| [20:42:00] | a1fa: | but i dont think ext3 should slow thingsdown |
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| [20:43:00] | sandos: | what kernel and motherboard? have you googled for any known problems or solutions? |
| [20:44:00] | jayeff: | the system logs should give you the device numbers for the partition where the error occured. i'd be tempted to run a bad block check on that device just to be sure |
| [20:44:00] | a1fa: | yeah |
| [20:44:00] | a1fa: | nothing really comes up |
| [20:44:00] | a1fa: | but it could be the cable |
| [20:44:00] | a1fa: | 80 pin vs...? |
| [20:46:00] | sandos: | youre not using a longer-than-standard cable right? |
| [20:46:00] | a1fa: | nope |
| [20:46:00] | sandos: | if youre using a 40 the hw should detect it.... |
| [20:46:00] | a1fa: | stopck |
| [20:47:00] | sandos: | Ive only encountered (and very badly) distorted data from along cable running udma133 |
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| [20:48:00] | kahuna_: | mofu_: You in here 24/7? :P |
| [20:48:00] | a1fa: | kahuna_ : lol.. screen |
| [20:48:00] | a1fa: | sandos : i need to check the cable |
| [20:48:00] | a1fa: | and my bios settings |
| [20:49:00] | a1fa: | UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 |
| [20:49:00] | a1fa: | * signifies the current active mode |
| [20:50:00] | a1fa: | DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 |
| [20:50:00] | a1fa: | interesting |
| [20:50:00] | a1fa: | sandos : what does your hdparm -i say |
| [20:53:00] | kahuna_: | that's odd. Hdparm tells me that I don't have a currently active mode on my hd. Nothing is asterisked. |
| [20:53:00] | a1fa: | lol |
| [20:53:00] | a1fa: | sucker |
| [20:54:00] | a1fa: | hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| [20:54:00] | a1fa: | dont hold me responsible for damage |
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| [20:54:00] | kahuna_: | using_dma = 1 (on) |
| [20:54:00] | kahuna_: | already. |
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| [20:56:00] | kahuna_: | when I use hdparm -I I get this" DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 |
| [20:56:00] | kahuna_: | so is -i legacy or what? |
| [20:56:00] | a1fa: | no |
| [20:56:00] | a1fa: | udma |
| [20:56:00] | a1fa: | it is using dma allready |
| [20:56:00] | a1fa: | udma5 ATA/100 |
| [20:56:00] | kahuna_: | yup. What's curious is that if I use -i it tells me that I'm not using DMA, but -I tells me udma5 |
| [20:57:00] | kahuna_: | 2 conflicting reports wehn the results should be consistent. |
| [20:57:00] | kahuna_: | maybe I have a buggy hdparm. |
| [20:57:00] | kahuna_: | Anyone in here using fceu for mythgame? |
| [20:58:00] | squash: | I'm still working on getting mythgame to handle mame |
| [20:58:00] | kahuna_: | Fceu runs way too fast for me. Like throttling is not working. |
| [20:59:00] | a1fa: | ivtv0: Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 64 (was 32) |
| [20:59:00] | sandos: | UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 |
| [20:59:00] | a1fa: | oh wow |
| [20:59:00] | a1fa: | gay |
| [20:59:00] | a1fa: | i knew it |
| [20:59:00] | a1fa: | fucking pci bus sucks my left nut |
| [20:59:00] | sandos: | and for a less recent drive: UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 |
| [20:59:00] | sandos: | :) |
| [21:00:00] | kahuna_: | a1fa: at least it wasn't your right. |
| [21:00:00] | a1fa: | what? |
| [21:01:00] | ** a1fa kills hotplug ** | |
| [21:01:00] | kahuna_: | never mind :) |
| [21:02:00] | a1fa: | i have to cancel downloading my precious mp3s |
| [21:02:00] | a1fa: | ;P |
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| [21:05:00] | mofu_: | a1fa: I think that timer message is pretty normal |
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| [21:06:00] | mofu_: | kahuna_: you have a 80 wire cable installed I hope? |
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| [21:23:00] | kahuna_: | mofu_: Sure do :) |
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| [21:32:00] | mofu_: | just checking . . . . |
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| [22:07:00] | jayeff: | well, that's an hour and a half to get transcode working then |
| [22:07:00] | jayeff: | now i just have to wait to see what the results are like |
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| [22:23:00] | PaulWay: | Anyone had any success getting transcode's PVM system working? |
| [22:24:00] | PaulWay: | BTW I can report for our Australian viewers that the IceTV feed works just great. Fairly simple installation and good data. |
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| [23:04:00] | jayeff: | wahey. it works! |
| [23:04:00] | jayeff: | thanks for the assistance xris |
| [23:05:00] | xris: | :) |
| [23:07:00] | jayeff: | i'm on a roll tonight |
| [23:07:00] | jayeff: | nuvexport working, *and* fixing a bug in my voip->pstn switch code |
| [23:08:00] | jayeff: | come to think of it, i set up iptables from scratch on a remote machine with no console access this morning and it worked first time |
| [23:08:00] | jayeff: | i might have to take tomorrow off |
| [23:11:00] | xris: | heh |
| [23:11:00] | xris: | almost wish I could. |
| [23:14:00] | jayeff: | now i come to think of it, the forecast for tomorrow is rain |
| [23:14:00] | jayeff: | so perhaps i won't bother |
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| [23:15:00] | xris: | I like my job too much. |
| [23:15:00] | xris: | even though I hate getting up in the morning. |
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| [23:15:00] | xris: | the thought of bossing kormoc around keeps me happy. :) |
| [23:16:00] | jayeff: | i'm happy with my job, but i like doing other stuff more :) |
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| [23:30:00] | Juski: | oo heck this theming lark is fun |
| [23:33:00] | tremendous: | having trouble starting mythfrontend – it pops up for a split second but then exits. the output has "mythtv: could not connect to socket" and "mythtq: no such file or directory". the only thing i could find suggested chmodding a particular lirc file, but that didn't help. any ideas? |
| [23:34:00] | tremendous: | i don't have a remote btw, but as far as i know lirc needed to be installed anyway |
| [23:34:00] | maino82: | tremendous: im having the same issue, but it runs fine as root... maybe there are additional files we need to chmod? |
| [23:35:00] | tremendous: | fine as root eh? i'll try that now |
| [23:35:00] | tremendous: | no, for me i get the same error as root :( |
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| [23:36:00] | maino82: | hmm... sorry i'm all out of ideas |
| [23:37:00] | tremendous: | i don't want to have to give in and install windows mce but i've been stuck for 2 weeks now and i'm feeling like i might cave |
| [23:37:00] | tremendous: | :o |
| [23:37:00] | DarwinUsr: | knoppmyth? |
| [23:37:00] | tremendous: | myth on fedora 4 |
| [23:37:00] | tremendous: | followed that chap's howto |
| [23:38:00] | DarwinUsr: | have you tried knoppmyth...may work for ya (before you go to windows) |
| [23:38:00] | Juski: | whoah there |
| [23:39:00] | Juski: | stop swearing in here ;) |
| [23:39:00] | DarwinUsr: | heh |
| [23:39:00] | tremendous: | well from what i've read i understand that it's a much smaller thing – i wanted to be able to run firefox etc underneath |
| [23:39:00] | Juski: | no I mean (sssh) mce |
| [23:39:00] | tremendous: | hehe yeah... i'm gonna cave if i don't get myth working though (noooo) |
| [23:39:00] | DarwinUsr: | oh you need to have the functionality of a pc |
| [23:39:00] | Juski: | so... frontend starts but falls back right away, yeah? |
| [23:40:00] | tremendous: | just want web + myth really. and a nice jukebox mp3 player – not sure how myth is for that yet |
| [23:40:00] | tremendous: | yes it pops up for a split second |
| [23:40:00] | tremendous: | then staight back to shell with a few error messages |
| [23:40:00] | Juski: | copy the error messages & paste them at www.pastebin.com or www.pastebin.ca |
| [23:41:00] | Juski: | then paste the URL here |
| [23:41:00] | tremendous: | well i typed them already – they're quite short |
| [23:41:00] | Juski: | need to see them in context really |
| [23:41:00] | tremendous: | ok sure, i'll copy the whole lot |
| [23:42:00] | tremendous: | http://pastebin.com/429737 |
| [23:43:00] | tremendous: | now a friend tells me his myth box has the jpeg huffman thingy error but his still works fine, and indeed that comes up before myth briefly appears |
| [23:43:00] | tremendous: | lines 13 and 14 are the major errors as far as i can tell |
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| [23:44:00] | tremendous: | someone said it may be linked to lirc, and i have no idea if i've set it up properly (linux newbie + no remote anyway!) |
| [23:45:00] | DarwinUsr: | tremendous, just so you know knoppmytth has a web browser |
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| [23:45:00] | Juski: | wow... |
| [23:46:00] | tremendous: | DarwinUsr is it just a text thing? |
| [23:46:00] | DarwinUsr: | nope |
| [23:46:00] | Juski: | did you happen to verify the RPMs when you downloaded them? |
| [23:46:00] | tremendous: | Juski i really don't know. i was following a tutorial |
| [23:46:00] | tremendous: | do you think you'd be able to help if you vnc'd in? |
| [23:47:00] | Juski: | looks to me like the theme images are borked (hence the jpeg error) |
| [23:47:00] | Juski: | and if it's segfaulting... eesh that could be anything |
| [23:47:00] | tremendous: | i don't think that's the problem – a friend says he gets the jpeg error but then everything works fine |
| [23:48:00] | Juski: | right |
| [23:48:00] | Juski: | the segfault is the real problem then |
| [23:49:00] | tremendous: | i assumed that happened because it had hit some problems already (the socket / file not found bits) |
| [23:49:00] | tremendous: | otherwise it ain't too helpful is it? |
| [23:49:00] | tremendous: | haha |
| [23:50:00] | Juski: | the socket not found & file not found errors are cos you're not running LIRC & mytthv has been compiled with support for it built in |
| [23:50:00] | Juski: | it wouldn't stop mythfrontend running tho |
| [23:50:00] | tremendous: | i see |
| [23:50:00] | tremendous: | so that leaves me stumped |
| [23:50:00] | Juski: | thing is, the segfault (I think) happens when a program tries to access memory that ain't allocated to it |
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| [23:51:00] | tremendous: | why might it try and do that |
| [23:51:00] | Juski: | maybe it's indicating there was something wrong with the download... |
| [23:51:00] | tremendous: | it's got a whole gig to play with |
| [23:51:00] | Juski: | or maybe there's a problem that has nothing to do with mythtv |
| [23:51:00] | tremendous: | eek |
| [23:52:00] | Juski: | tremendous: does the rest of the system work okay? |
| [23:52:00] | tremendous: | yeah no problems at all! |
| [23:52:00] | tremendous: | it's new and shiny :) |
| [23:52:00] | Juski: | you on a 64bit cpu or anything? |
| [23:53:00] | tremendous: | yes |
| [23:53:00] | Juski: | graphics card? |
| [23:53:00] | tremendous: | i've installed all the x86_64 things whenever i saw them though |
| [23:53:00] | tremendous: | onboard ati radeon x200 |
| [23:53:00] | Juski: | with proper drivers? |
| [23:53:00] | tremendous: | had trouble getting drivers for that actually |
| [23:53:00] | tremendous: | in fact |
| [23:54:00] | tremendous: | you just reminded me |
| [23:54:00] | Juski: | well when I say 'proper' I mean as good as you can get for ATI running under linux |
| [23:54:00] | tremendous: | it has to run "generic vesa driver" or something – x won't start with the "generic radeon" driver or any ATI ones i've tried :\ |
| [23:55:00] | Juski: | this sounds like the kind of issue that'd need mythtv to be compiled with debugging enabled |
| [23:55:00] | Juski: | so you can see exactly where things are going titsup |
| [23:55:00] | tremendous: | uh oh |
| [23:56:00] | tremendous: | i don't have the faintest idea where to start compiling something |
| [23:56:00] | Juski: | prognosis: try knoppmyth... |
| [23:56:00] | Juski: | or roll everything back down to 32 bit & see if it works then |
| [23:56:00] | tremendous: | how would i do that? |
| [23:56:00] | Juski: | reinstall, but dont use anything 64-bit |
| [23:56:00] | Juski: | bit of a sledgehammer to crack a nut.. but it might get you working |
| [23:57:00] | tremendous: | that's an incredibly unpleasant idea |
| [23:57:00] | tremendous: | already had to start over once |
| [23:57:00] | Juski: | like mce can use 64 bit... |
| [23:57:00] | tremendous: | ... no idea. can it not? |
| [23:58:00] | Juski: | for all there are a hell of a lot of 64bt cpus around it's still an incredibly immature platform software-wise IMHO – judging by what I've seen |
| [23:58:00] | tremendous: | i really wanted to get myth going, but i've been stuck for a couple of weeks now and it's getting frustrating. you can see why i consider it |
| [23:58:00] | Juski: | nah... 64-bit windows? that's only recently got into beta AFAIK.. forgive me if I'm talking bollocks |
| [23:59:00] | tremendous: | don't know |
| [23:59:00] | Juski: | tremendous.. I was in the same boat as you once.. about a year ago. staying up til 3am bashing the keyboard & pulling my hair out |
| [23:59:00] | tremendous: | there's a difference though – you probably knew something about linux |
| [23:59:00] | Juski: | but I knew MCE wouldn't solve anything.. I'd already tried it |
| [23:59:00] | tremendous: | hmm really |
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