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[00:11:00] fman: cool
[00:11:00] fman: so I have my tuner working, however if I change channels I end up with pixelisation
[00:11:00] fman: looks like the decoder is freaking out the pvr-150 during channel change
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[00:24:00] Garf`: Does anyone else have a problem with zap2it and Error 500 (Internal Server Error) ?
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[00:28:00] PaulWayw: Hi all!
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[00:30:00] PaulWayw: I can't seem to watch TV. The log from the frontend says "taking too long to be allowed to read..."
[00:30:00] PaulWayw: Anyone seen this before?
[00:32:00] updatelee: xris, kormoc: sorry was away
[00:32:00] updatelee: kormoc: how do I change input ?
[00:33:00] updatelee: xris: your right it doesnt work, but you can assign a chanel number to an input, it just doesnt work.
[00:34:00] kormoc: updatelee, it's listed somewhere on the mythtv website
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[00:35:00] GreyFoxx: updatelee: You need to configure an external script for changing channels. Either over a serial cable to the cablebox or via an ir blaster
[00:36:00] GreyFoxx: there is a field in mythtv-setup I believe where you can specify a script to be used to change channels for that particular input
[00:37:00] updatelee: GreyFoxx: its a four port input card, has composite0,1,2,3 no tuner
[00:38:00] GreyFoxx: I saw that
[00:38:00] updatelee: GreyFoxx: I plug my camera in and using xawtv I get video, using myth I cant get it
[00:38:00] GreyFoxx: So rather than change "channels" you want to change inputs ?
[00:39:00] updatelee: GreyFoxx: I have a dvb card and this bt878a card. when I goto watchTV I get my ch 213 NASA, now I cant figure out how to get the composite0 on the other card
[00:39:00] xris: updatelee: no, you assign a default channel to tune to, if you have an external tuning script specified.
[00:39:00] GreyFoxx: Composite0 being your video camera right ?
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[00:39:00] PaulWayw: Anyone able to help me with my no-live-TV problem?
[00:39:00] xris: composite input cannot have a channel. it just doesn't work that way.
[00:39:00] updatelee: GreyFoxx: right
[00:40:00] xris: PaulWayw: svn?
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[00:40:00] updatelee: xris: I know it dont work lol. I figured I would try it that way, but it dont work, thats for sure
[00:40:00] PaulWayw: xris: I'm not using the current svn checkout, if that's what you mean.
[00:40:00] GreyFoxx: You would likely have to create a dummy video source and manually add a channel to it. then tie that video source to the composite0 input under input-connections
[00:40:00] xris: PaulWayw: just wanted to be sure.
[00:40:00] PaulWayw: I'm using the Fedora 4 RPMs.
[00:42:00] PaulWayw: I have the current checkout compiled but I'm a little nervous installing it – I don't want to break a working system.
[00:42:00] PaulWayw: Is there that much speed advantage in having specially compiled binaries, BTW?
[00:42:00] GreyFoxx: no
[00:42:00] PaulWayw: Didn't think so.
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[00:42:00] GreyFoxx: the biggest diff is whether or not you have debug symbols compiled in
[00:43:00] fman: greyfoxx – I've added in the romdb entries to the mythconverg database
[00:43:00] PaulWayw: Anyway, it's saying "taking too long to be allowed to read" and "Waited 4 seconds for data to become available..."
[00:43:00] fman: and rescanned games, dosn't appear to fix the game listings
[00:44:00] fman: any ideas?
[00:44:00] GreyFoxx: I assume you are running a fresh svn check out of mythgame as well as added in the romdb ? :)
[00:44:00] PaulWayw: and then ends up with "couldn't read file: rbuf://192.168.0.10/opt/live//ringbuf1.nuv"
[00:44:00] fman: I'm using whatever that latest knoppmyth is using :)
[00:44:00] GreyFoxx: Then it wont work
[00:45:00] fman: what do I need to do/
[00:45:00] updatelee: GreyFoxx: here is what I did (and didnt work) (2) capture card->add card->cardtype v4l /dev/video0, default composite0, then (3) video source->new video source->bt878a, then (4) input connections->composite0->videosource=composite0, then (5) channel editor->new channel->name=comp0, channum=100, callsign=comp0
[00:45:00] fman: rebuild mythgame?
[00:45:00] GreyFoxx: fman pretty much. I commited the channels just a couple days ago, and the latest knoppmyth is much older than that
[00:45:00] GreyFoxx: err changes, not channels
[00:45:00] fman: :)
[00:46:00] updatelee: GreyFoxx: when mythfronend starts and go to watchtv it loads 213NASA, if I type 100 in or goto 100 in EPG and select it, video pauses for a sec, then back to NASA
[00:46:00] updatelee: GreyFoxx: pressing 'C' does the same
[00:46:00] fman: you have a link for build instructions for this version of mythgame?
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[00:46:00] GreyFoxx: fman, there are no special buildinstructions
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[00:46:00] fman: is this the latest mythgame or a fork though?
[00:47:00] GreyFoxx: updatelee: Honestly I've never attempted to switch cards/inputs in "LiveTV" but I've seen many people say that it doesn't work. You could very well be running int that
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[00:47:00] updatelee: xris: if you dont give composite0 a channel number then how do you select composite0 insted of dvb ?
[00:47:00] GreyFoxx: You could try recording something
[00:47:00] GreyFoxx: fman: It's the latest mythgame
[00:47:00] fman: ok
[00:47:00] fman: thanks
[00:47:00] updatelee: GreyFoxx: k, lemy try
[00:48:00] Kleptophobiac: Is there a good way to delete all recordings without nuking the whole database?
[00:48:00] GreyFoxx: updatelee: You might need to add dummy programming data, but I've not bothered doing that either :)
[00:48:00] GreyFoxx: Kleptophobiac: Delete from recorded;
[00:48:00] GreyFoxx: rm -f /path/2/recordings/*.nuv
[00:49:00] Kleptophobiac: via mysql?
[00:49:00] GreyFoxx: the delete from yes
[00:49:00] Kleptophobiac: ok, thanks
[00:49:00] Kleptophobiac: I'll give that a go
[00:49:00] GreyFoxx: why not just manually do it
[00:49:00] GreyFoxx: or are there just a ton of the m?
[00:49:00] Kleptophobiac: there are a ton
[00:49:00] Kleptophobiac: and a lot of files went poof
[00:49:00] Kleptophobiac: so I have to touch all of them
[00:49:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[00:50:00] Kleptophobiac: yeah.... I really don't want to touch 180 missing files
[00:51:00] xris: updatelee: it's an INPUT, not a channel
[00:51:00] xris: C to change input (I think), Y to change cards
[00:52:00] xris: my composite (actually svideo in this case) connector has tons of channels on it... but the card doesn't change channels. just sends channel-change commands to my Dish receiver.
[00:52:00] updatelee: xris: Y works !
[00:53:00] updatelee: I was trying C, but didnt know I had to tell myth to not only change input, but card as well
[00:53:00] Kleptophobiac: yay for XFS fast delete
[00:55:00] xris: updatelee: that's for people who use multiple inputs on their cards.
[00:56:00] updatelee: xris: I didnt realize that, its good to know because I got four inputs on this card. im learning this as I go. lol
[00:57:00] Kleptophobiac: GreyFoxx – thanks a bunch, that worked very nicely
[00:57:00] xris: updatelee: as long as you know you can only use one at a time
[00:58:00] updatelee: xris: yup, thats fine
[00:59:00] bagpuss_thecat: is there any way to caeck what audio device mythtv uses? I'm using mythtv 0.18 on debian, and getting a "Error opening audio device(), the error was:No such file or directory"?
[01:00:00] bagpuss_thecat: yet mplayer works fine, and all my alsa stuff works as intended
[01:00:00] bagpuss_thecat: s/caeck/check/
[01:00:00] xris: bagpuss_thecat: usually, you configure that.
[01:00:00] bagpuss_thecat: in mythtv-setup ?
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[01:00:00] xris: I forget, actually
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[01:03:00] Gumby: can anyone tell me if there is a mythbackend init script included in the mythtv sources. I have had a look at a few files but none of them seem to be what I am looking for
[01:04:00] Gumby: disregard that. I am just an idiot
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[01:07:00] bagpuss_thecat: xris: got it, ta
[01:07:00] bagpuss_thecat: in Utilities > Setup > General...
[01:09:00] Beirdo: stoooopid procmail
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[01:16:00] Beirdo: WTF?
[01:16:00] Beirdo: I put a user into a group
[01:16:00] Beirdo: but from within procmail, it doesn't see it in that group
[01:17:00] Kleptophobiac: awww crap, I'm having serious DB issues
[01:17:00] FunkyELF: Hello guys, I am trying to get it so that I can connect to a database on a Linux system from windows. I am getting an error message that says "#HY000Host '192.168.1.101' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"
[01:17:00] Servo888: That's interesting ivtv-detect seg faults =\
[01:17:00] FunkyELF: ...WinMyth
[01:18:00] Kleptophobiac: you need to set permissions on your database
[01:18:00] Kleptophobiac: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc6.2
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[01:18:00] EnterUserName: Does the syn version now have livetv back installed on it?
[01:18:00] Kleptophobiac: Look at section 6.2, subsection " Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems"
[01:19:00] Kleptophobiac: mysql -u root mythconverg
[01:19:00] Kleptophobiac: mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";
[01:19:00] Kleptophobiac: mysql> flush privileges;
[01:19:00] FunkyELF: thanks Kleptophobiac
[01:19:00] Kleptophobiac: np
[01:19:00] Kleptophobiac: anyway, I'm having some database trouble of my own
[01:19:00] Kleptophobiac: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
[01:19:00] Kleptophobiac: Database error was:
[01:19:00] Kleptophobiac: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'repeat,stereo,subtitled,hdtv,closecaptioned,tvrating,partnumber,parttotal,endti m' at line 1
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[01:23:00] FunkyELF: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";
[01:23:00] FunkyELF: grant all on mythconverg.* to root@"192.168.1.%" identified by "root";
[01:23:00] FunkyELF: I did those two...then flushed the privilages
[01:23:00] FunkyELF: and now I am getting a different error....
[01:23:00] FunkyELF: "Access denied for user 'root'@'192.168.1.101' (using password: YES)
[01:24:00] Kleptophobiac: from winmyth?
[01:24:00] FunkyELF: yeah
[01:24:00] Kleptophobiac: the user should be myth (or mythtv)
[01:24:00] Kleptophobiac: yeah, mythtv
[01:24:00] Kleptophobiac: not root
[01:24:00] FunkyELF: same error
[01:25:00] Kleptophobiac: odd
[01:25:00] FunkyELF: I'm not sure if I ever set up a user called mythtv
[01:25:00] Kleptophobiac: it's created when you import mc.sql
[01:25:00] FunkyELF: okay...then I guess I did
[01:26:00] FunkyELF: could it be something in my.cnf?
[01:26:00] Kleptophobiac: possibly
[01:26:00] Kleptophobiac: check
[01:26:00] Kleptophobiac: skip-networking
[01:26:00] FunkyELF: I commented out the bind address line
[01:26:00] Kleptophobiac: in your file
[01:26:00] Kleptophobiac: if it's not commented out, it means mysql doesn't do networking
[01:27:00] FunkyELF: that is commented out
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[01:27:00] FunkyELF: I haven't touched it except for commenting out the bind address line
[01:28:00] that_weasel: anyone happen to know why i would get a scrambled picture using a AVerMedia TVCapture 98 card and little or no sound?
[01:28:00] Kleptophobiac: scrambled in what way?
[01:28:00] that_weasel: like a cable channel that your not suppose to have
[01:28:00] that_weasel: its regular analog cable and works find on all of my TVs
[01:29:00] Kleptophobiac: do you have the frequency table set to us-cable (or whatever part of the world you're in)
[01:29:00] that_weasel: i think so....i have that set a the default and in the Zap2It thingy...
[01:30:00] Kleptophobiac: have you tried using tvtime to watch TV, just to make sure your driver is peachy?
[01:30:00] EnterUserName: lol
[01:30:00] EnterUserName: tvtime doesnt work with my card
[01:30:00] that_weasel: Kleptophobiac: no..i'll check that out and see what happens...
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[01:36:00] Gumby: FunkyELF: make sure that the bind address is NOT commented out and it contains the address at which the mysql server will listen on. ie: 192.168.1.2
[01:36:00] FunkyELF: i figured it out
[01:36:00] Gumby: FunkyELF: you might have to change your frontend settings on the mythbox also to connect to that IP instead of localhost also
[01:36:00] FunkyELF: IDENTIFIED BY expects th password after it
[01:37:00] FunkyELF: I think it would be simpler to make it obvious....instead of IDENTIFIED BY , i t should say PASSWORD =
[01:37:00] Gumby: FunkyELF: mysql -h 192.168.1.2 -umythtv -p
[01:38:00] Gumby: FunkyELF: talking to #mysql
[01:38:00] FunkyELF: yeah
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[01:41:00] FunkyELF: anyone here got WinMyth working?
[01:41:00] Kleptophobiac: tbh, it's bugtastic and horribly unstable crap
[01:42:00] Kleptophobiac: I've tried at every release, and it's terrible
[01:42:00] dev-: ah, so it hasnt change recently
[01:42:00] FunkyELF: yeah....I get a big grey screen when I try to watch something
[01:42:00] Kleptophobiac: I got it to give me TV once, but it promptly died with some strange .net related error
[01:43:00] FunkyELF: Well...here is my problem. I changed config/conf.php in mythweb to define('video_url', 'file://myth/recordings');
[01:43:00] FunkyELF: I also tried define('video_url', 'file://R:/recordings'); and mapped my windows R drive to the samba share
[01:43:00] FunkyELF: and none of that worked
[01:44:00] Kleptophobiac: I find it easier to just make a symlink
[01:44:00] FunkyELF: what do you mean?
[01:45:00] FunkyELF: it would be nice if I could use mythweb, find a show...click on it, and it would open up the same as if I navigated my way there in Windows via the mapped R: drive...but it doesn't work
[01:45:00] dev-: symlink video_url in your mythweb directory to your recordings directory
[01:46:00] dev-: and make sure apache is followsymlinks enabled
[01:46:00] FunkyELF: so now I right click on the program copy the link location....then go into the R drive and append the .nuv file there and it'll open
[01:46:00] FunkyELF: then I'm streaming the video over apache?
[01:46:00] dev-: yes
[01:47:00] FunkyELF: I think if I tried that it would try to download the entire file before playing it
[01:47:00] dev-: i use the url for xine/mplayer/videoplayerofchoice
[01:47:00] dev-: but then again, im not a windows user so i dunno fer you ;)
[01:47:00] dev-: mediaplayer should accept urls
[01:48:00] FunkyELF: I guess I should just install Linux on this PC in my room
[01:48:00] FunkyELF: and run another front end
[01:48:00] dev-: when i click on .nuv files in firefox it opens xine
[01:48:00] Kleptophobiac: media player classic or VLC are the choices for the windows world
[01:48:00] dev-: im sure you can configure ie the same way
[01:48:00] FunkyELF: I use firefox on windows
[01:50:00] Beirdo: f'argh
[01:50:00] Servo888: Is there anything special I need to enable in my xorg config to get xvmc working?
[01:50:00] dev-: check out "helper applications"
[01:50:00] Servo888: I've got a geforce 4 mx4000
[01:50:00] dev-: in firefox prefs
[01:50:00] Beirdo: gonna beat procmain to death
[01:50:00] Beirdo: procmail rather
[01:50:00] FunkyELF: anyone here have a modified xbox and use Myth with xbox media center?
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[01:51:00] Beirdo: ahhhh, I see
[01:51:00] Beirdo: stupid
[01:51:00] FunkyELF: I am wondering if that plug-in is any good. That would make a nice cheap front-end....and xbox media center is beautiful to begin with
[01:52:00] dev-: oh woops that was mozilla. firefox is in presfs/downloads at the bottom there.
[01:52:00] dev-: FunkyELF: there is a mythfrontend release for xbox
[01:52:00] dev-: though i havent tried it,. because apparently, you have to have linux installed on the hd for it
[01:53:00] dev-: at least, from my understanding.. i dont see why there couldnt be an xboxknoppmyth release or something
[01:53:00] FunkyELF: yeah, I would figure that much. I have ran linux on my xbox before....actually ran a game server on it....it was kinda slow, but once it got going it was fine
[01:53:00] dev-: only 733mhz proc
[01:53:00] dev-: hehe
[01:54:00] FunkyELF: it wasn't that....it was that the linux filesystem existed as a file on the xbox file system
[01:54:00] FunkyELF: ...so going through that, there was a loop0 process running all the time eating up the processor
[01:54:00] Kleptophobiac: also, just out of curiosity, are there any plans to document/comment the mythtv code? I know Isaac says it should be "self documenting" but, in all honesty, that's the lazy coder's way of saying "I don't wanna!" more elegantly
[01:55:00] FunkyELF: so it would take 4 minutes to change maps on a battlefield 1942 game when it would take another computer 10 – 20 seconds
[01:55:00] Kleptophobiac: I've often wanted to change something about the way mythtv behaves, but found the could a horrible jungle to try and find what I wanted
[01:55:00] dev-: haha yeah an xbox would not make a good bf server
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[01:55:00] Kleptophobiac: and xbox makes a good frontend, or a game console
[01:55:00] Kleptophobiac: :)
[01:55:00] dev-: its only got 64meg of ram lol
[01:55:00] dev-: yeah
[01:55:00] Kleptophobiac: playing SNES games on it is pretty cool though
[01:55:00] FunkyELF: dev-, well....if you don't change maps....I had like 32 people in the server and the processor was 90% idle
[01:55:00] Chutt: it's harder to write clear code than it is to write comments.
[01:56:00] dev-: FunkyELF: i dont see how thats possible.
[01:56:00] Kleptophobiac: it's best to write both. :)
[01:56:00] FunkyELF: yeah....as an emulator the thing rocks
[01:56:00] Chutt: so, no, it's not the 'lazy coder's way of saying i don't wanna'.
[01:56:00] Chutt: fuck no.
[01:56:00] Chutt: better to write code that can be understood
[01:56:00] ** FunkyELF looks for his screenshot **
[01:56:00] dev-: my p3 1ghz with 1gig of ram, fbsd 4.11 box couldnt only support 14players in bf1942 dedicated server
[01:56:00] Kleptophobiac: plus, a doc file that explains what happens in what part of the src, and how the architecture is supposed to work would be massively nice
[01:56:00] ** that_weasel agrees with Chutt good code is better than good comments **
[01:56:00] dev-: so i dont see how an xbox with a p3 733mhz processor and 64meg of ram could support 32
[01:56:00] Chutt: grep works for that.
[01:56:00] Kleptophobiac: of course it is
[01:57:00] Chutt: most things are named obviously.
[01:57:00] Kleptophobiac: because good code does something and good comments just sit there
[01:57:00] FunkyELF: http://68.204.165.215/eric/linux2.jpg
[01:57:00] dev-: Kleptophobiac: thats what i use an xbox for most actually. nes/snes/master system/genesis/neo geo/some_n64
[01:57:00] xris: sometimes good code can only tell you WHAT something does, but not why you chose to do it that way.
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[01:57:00] xris: but I'm a huge fan of over-documenting already-good code.
[01:57:00] Chutt: xris, and comments are the same way :p
[01:57:00] FunkyELF: http://68.204.165.215/eric/linux2.JPG rather....damn case sensitivity
[01:57:00] slide: I have a PVR-150, how can i set it up for tv out?
[01:58:00] Kleptophobiac: I write C for small devices
[01:58:00] Chutt: more often than not, comments are pretty worthless.
[01:58:00] xris: Chutt: I also use comments to segregate sections of code.
[01:58:00] Kleptophobiac: and I find that unless I comment my code
[01:58:00] Kleptophobiac: I forget why I did things a certain way
[01:58:00] Kleptophobiac: and then break them later
[01:58:00] Chutt: that's completely different
[01:58:00] Kleptophobiac: say... six months after I haven't looked at my code
[01:58:00] dev-: FunkyELF: there are 6 players on that server, not 32
[01:58:00] FunkyELF: dev-, yeah....I'm still looking
[01:58:00] Kleptophobiac: dev- he also said 90%, not 97%
[01:58:00] Kleptophobiac: :)
[01:59:00] Kleptophobiac: so maybe the extra 7% means the extra players to get to 32
[01:59:00] FunkyELF: dev-, but still...that was 96% idle and I was running X via VNC
[01:59:00] dev-: Kleptophobiac: lol. i ran bf1942 dedicated servers or years
[01:59:00] Chutt: comments that say why something's written the way it is don't do anything to help someone else understand things, generally.
[01:59:00] dev-: er for
[01:59:00] dev-: i know an xbox will not support anymore near 32 players :)
[01:59:00] Kleptophobiac: I don't know, I always find it helpful
[02:00:00] Kleptophobiac: the why should be just as important as the what
[02:00:00] Kleptophobiac: and it also helps develop relationships in my head between pieces of code
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[02:00:00] PaulWay: Righto.
[02:00:00] dev-: Wrongo.
[02:00:00] Kleptophobiac: Lefto
[02:00:00] PaulWay: bongo?
[02:01:00] Kleptophobiac: Burn the commie!
[02:01:00] FunkyELF: dev-, trust me....it did. Actually, it was a 1982 mod called deathrace or something like that
[02:01:00] Kleptophobiac: blah, BF mods (ick)
[02:01:00] Kleptophobiac: except DC
[02:01:00] dev-: FunkyELF: try regular dedicated, the xbox will turn in a smoldering pile of plastic
[02:01:00] dev-: again, p3 1ghz can only support 14players
[02:01:00] Chutt: xris, magazine finally showed up at my local b&n
[02:01:00] dev-: p3 733mhz
[02:01:00] dev-: i could just imagine
[02:01:00] xris: cool
[02:01:00] Kleptophobiac: I don't know, my athlon 1Ghz box handled BF dedicated ok
[02:02:00] xris: my boss never asked for his copy back, so I'm keeping it until he does.
[02:02:00] Kleptophobiac: though it had way more RAM
[02:02:00] xris: which is likely forever, since I think the company gets 2 copies.
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[02:02:00] dev-: i havent ran a bf1942 dedicated server in over a year though, who knows, maybe they completely rewrote it
[02:02:00] dev-: but a year ago, 14players was it with regular maps on conquer
[02:03:00] FunkyELF: crap....My pictures directory disappeared...I thought I recovered all of my stuff, I guess not. Time to have windows do another check
[02:04:00] Kleptophobiac: god dammit, someone fucked up the archlinux qt package again
[02:04:00] FunkyELF: while Myth was searching my windows samba share for music or videos or something I rebooted it and a directory I had said there were 0 files 0 folders 0 bytes. And that folder was my main folder called "stuff" with over 100 gigs of stuff. I thought I got it all back, but I'm missing my pictures dir
[02:04:00] FunkyELF: ...I think that is the one screen shot where I had all those people in
[02:04:00] Dagmar: It's a terrible thing to lose one's porn collection.
[02:05:00] xris: Beirdo: I'm down to one single missing Good Eats episode. w00t.
[02:05:00] FunkyELF: well I guess I didn't realize it until now since I put all of my impoartant pictures on my Gallery server
[02:05:00] ** FunkyELF reboots hoping to find that screenshot **
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[02:05:00] Kleptophobiac: alton brown is the coolest man on TV
[02:05:00] Kleptophobiac: and the only guy I can stand on food network
[02:06:00] xris: Kleptophobiac: I pretty much sympathize.
[02:06:00] xris: tyler florence isn't so bad... actually knows what he's talking about.
[02:06:00] xris: and unlike mr. flay, isn't a complete a$$hole
[02:07:00] xris: oh, and mario is cool, although his show is a bit boring.
[02:07:00] Kleptophobiac: ehh
[02:07:00] Kleptophobiac: I don't watch good eats for the cooking
[02:07:00] Kleptophobiac: alton is highly entertaining
[02:07:00] ** xris is a cooking nut. **
[02:08:00] xris: and my wife is an ex-chef
[02:08:00] Kleptophobiac: ah
[02:08:00] Kleptophobiac: that could explain something
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[02:08:00] Kleptophobiac: though I have made a couple of the things I've seen on good eats...
[02:08:00] xris: AB has quite a few good recipes.
[02:08:00] Kleptophobiac: indeed
[02:09:00] xris: and he's definitely helped fix some problems in my own baking (my wife is too high class to cook anything he'd have on his show)
[02:09:00] Hal: Hmm...what would be the expected behavior if a program matches two recording schedules?
[02:10:00] Beirdo: stupid-ass procmail
[02:10:00] Kleptophobiac: record one of them?
[02:10:00] Kleptophobiac: I have no idea
[02:10:00] xris: Hal: probably whichever schedule has the highest priority
[02:10:00] xris: and if not, probably whichever comes first in the db
[02:11:00] Hal: xris: that's what I'm seeing, which is unfortunate
[02:11:00] xris: so bump up the priority of one of the schedules
[02:11:00] Hal: I have two recording schedules, one to catch first-runs, one to catch repeats
[02:11:00] Hal: first-runs have higher priority, obviously
[02:11:00] xris: so set that accordingly
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[02:12:00] Hal: Um, but that recording schedule says to only record first-runs
[02:12:00] Hal: Thus, the programs are set to "not record, repeat"
[02:12:00] xris: Hal: you're not listening... schedules have a priority setting to help avoid conflicts.
[02:13:00] visik7: why the mouse support isn't available ? just to use a touchscreen
[02:13:00] that_weasel: grrr....i can't get myth to play a DVD, or get my card tuned right...this is soooo frusterating
[02:13:00] Hal: xris: um...yes? So?
[02:13:00] xris: visik7: not enough people with touch screens have bothered to reinstate it.
[02:13:00] xris: Hal: well, set the first-run to a higher priority so it takes precedence.
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[02:14:00] Hal: xris: done
[02:14:00] Hal: xris: but, repeats are then "matched" against that recording schedule
[02:14:00] visik7: xris: but it's difficult to mantain or what ?
[02:14:00] Hal: xris: since they are repeats, they are not recorded
[02:14:00] Hal: xris: the second recording schedule never wins
[02:14:00] xris: visik7: no. it was pulled out because mythtv is designed as a tv app, not a "computer" app... it's been talked about adding touchscreen support, but no one really cares
[02:15:00] Hal: xris: (it also appears to be match first in table, rather than priority)
[02:15:00] slide: Is there a guide somewhere to get TV OUT working on my pvr-150?
[02:15:00] Dagmar: If your'e using a touchscreen, image quality is not a priority for you. That's all I'm gonna say about that.
[02:15:00] xris: Hal: ok, if the priority isn't causing priorities to bump up, I'd call that a bug...
[02:15:00] xris: slide: pvr-150 doesn't have tv out
[02:16:00] slide: there isnt an s-video out?
[02:16:00] Dagmar: Not on the PVR-150
[02:16:00] dev-: heh
[02:16:00] slide: is that an svideo in then? heh i know there is an svideo port on it
[02:16:00] Dagmar: The PVR-150 is input-only. The PVR-350 has an output
[02:16:00] xris: slide: they're all inputs
[02:16:00] slide: hrm
[02:16:00] visik7: Dagmar: I'm building my own carpc and mythtv is the software that most fit my needs if only support the mouse
[02:17:00] Hal: xris: two recording schedules: REPEATS and FIRSTSHOW (where it says tape only new episodes)
[02:17:00] visik7: btw mouse support is in the wishlist of the wiki
[02:17:00] Hal: xris: Episode A, a repeat, matches against FIRSTSHOW (first in table). However, Episode is a repeat, so it's not recorded.
[02:17:00] Dagmar: visik7: Trying to watch television while driving will get you and others killed.
[02:17:00] Hal: xris: Episode A is not matched against REPEATS
[02:17:00] xris: visik7: none of the devs read the wiki
[02:17:00] Hal: i'll just create a ticket
[02:17:00] visik7: xris: I supose it :/
[02:18:00] xris: Hal: so you have two identical "show" recordings, but with different duplicate-check type options?
[02:18:00] visik7: Dagmar: tv support is the less important but mp3 and some other external plugin are interesting like telephone
[02:18:00] xris: and likely it's hitting the first, matching, deciding it doesn't need to record, and then NOT continuing on to try to match against other filters.
[02:18:00] Dagmar: visik7: So I suppose you've already added the mini-bar then?
[02:18:00] xris: sounds like a bug.
[02:18:00] visik7: Dagmar: not yet
[02:19:00] Hal: xris: well, one's a power schedule (to get it to work), but, yes, essentially
[02:19:00] dev-: funny, i drive in my car
[02:19:00] dev-: thats about it
[02:19:00] dev-: no tv, no dvdplayer, no bullshit
[02:19:00] dev-: i just drive it heh
[02:19:00] xris: dev-: I hardly do that
[02:19:00] Dagmar: dev-: Yay!
[02:20:00] dev-: and i have been in 0 accidents. knock on wood. driving 13years now heh
[02:20:00] xris: and my radio is basically hard-tuned to NPR
[02:20:00] visik7: ok what's the problem if I want a carpc based on mythtv ?
[02:20:00] dev-: friend of mine rearended a car at a redlight doing about 50, because he was sms'ing on his cell phone
[02:20:00] xris: visik7: nothing
[02:20:00] dev-: sigh.
[02:20:00] Kleptophobiac: I'm a lucky SOB, I have two NPR stations in my area
[02:20:00] Dagmar: visik7: There's no problem.
[02:20:00] visik7: oh ok
[02:20:00] visik7: seems to be a problem
[02:20:00] xris: Kleptophobiac: we have at least that
[02:20:00] Kleptophobiac: so when there's no good content on one, I switch over to another
[02:20:00] Kleptophobiac: :)
[02:20:00] Kleptophobiac: presets 1 and 2
[02:20:00] xris: actually... two NPR, and at least one other music-only public statio.
[02:20:00] xris: seattle rocks
[02:20:00] Kleptophobiac: .... which no longer have text on their buttons
[02:21:00] dev-: visik7: dude i worked with did a carpc based off myth... he did a writeup on it and it was on /. too — https://www.timekiller.org/carpc/
[02:21:00] dev-: visik7: might help with some of your questions
[02:21:00] Dagmar: Seeing people trying to watch TV while driving makes me want to keep a gun in the glove box
[02:21:00] dev-: Dagmar: amen.
[02:21:00] xris: Dagmar: no kidding. great in a minivan for the kids, but not beyond that.
[02:22:00] visik7: dev-: ya already seen but it doesn't use a touchscreen but a remote control inside the panel
[02:22:00] xris: visik7: you're probably SOL without editing the code.
[02:22:00] visik7: Dagmar: I promise you that I'll remove the tv support
[02:22:00] dev-: visik7: yeah, another guy at work is writeing a patch to introduce touchscreen support
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: visik7: You wont be using a touchscreen with myth without some custom coding
[02:22:00] dev-: but dunno how far he's gotten. that guy that did timekiller, got an lcd touchscreen as well and is going to replace it
[02:22:00] dev-: i expect it will be posted on /. again heh
[02:22:00] visik7: GreyFoxx: I'm not a developer :(
[02:23:00] GreyFoxx: visik7: a touch screen is basically a "mouse" device
[02:23:00] Kleptophobiac: yeah... turn by turn navigation would be sweet on linux, though I have no idea where one would get open source maps
[02:23:00] Kleptophobiac: maybe scrape google for them
[02:23:00] GreyFoxx: and myth does not support the use of a mouse for the various widgets
[02:23:00] dev-: yeah thats how he's doing it, with mouse input or something. but i know nothing about it so hehe
[02:23:00] visik7: GreyFoxx: yes this that I own works pretty well on linux
[02:23:00] Gumby: hrm, I have a master backend and a slave backend. the slave seems to connect to the master fine (log file on master says its connected) but in mythweb status the card doesnt show up. Is there a way to tell if a card is setup properly or not?
[02:23:00] GreyFoxx: I started working on my own touchscreen control panel as controls that sit "around" the myth screen
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[02:24:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/controlpanel.png was my concept graphic
[02:24:00] GreyFoxx: I just haven't gotten around to finishing it
[02:24:00] dev-: cool
[02:25:00] GreyFoxx: Gonna have controls, a virtual keyboard and "status" windows around the myth window which is just a clone of what is displayed on the tv/projector
[02:25:00] rjune: nice
[02:26:00] GreyFoxx: the touch screen is running at 1024x768, and myth is on the other screen at 800x600
[02:26:00] GreyFoxx: leaving lots of room around the edge to fill will "stuff"
[02:27:00] visik7: Kleptophobiac: there is no opensource map
[02:27:00] visik7: Kleptophobiac: but sdal used for the navteq map is "open"
[02:28:00] visik7: Kleptophobiac: btw there is a software (mapfactor) that do turn by turn navigation with carpcmode
[02:28:00] Kleptophobiac: cool
[02:28:00] visik7: it costs 115 GBP
[02:28:00] Kleptophobiac: yeah... not free
[02:28:00] visik7: not free yes
[02:29:00] Kleptophobiac: and for my cheap bastardness
[02:29:00] Kleptophobiac: that's a lot of money
[02:29:00] Kleptophobiac: why do you think I don't own a tivo? :)
[02:29:00] Kleptophobiac: hehehe
[02:30:00] visik7: we had buy in share, btw they don't have US maps so I dunno where are u from but...
[02:30:00] Kleptophobiac: :)
[02:31:00] visik7: I think that mythtv+mapfactor is the best carpc solution
[02:31:00] Kleptophobiac: gpsdrive is good enough for me
[02:31:00] Kleptophobiac: :)
[02:31:00] visik7: gpsdrive is not turn by turn
[02:31:00] Kleptophobiac: I know
[02:31:00] Kleptophobiac: but I can settle
[02:31:00] visik7: :)
[02:31:00] visik7: We can't :)
[02:32:00] Kleptophobiac: heh, reading maps isn't hard
[02:32:00] visik7: moreover mapfactor is for win linux and pocket pc
[02:32:00] dev-: i got a megallan roadmate700 for free
[02:32:00] dev-: that does turn by turn heh
[02:32:00] Kleptophobiac: ok
[02:32:00] visik7: all in one pack
[02:32:00] visik7: ok time to open mythtv code and learn some qt :)
[02:33:00] Servo888: crap... How much ram is recommended for mythtv?
[02:33:00] Servo888: I've got 256 but I think I've run out =\
[02:33:00] visik7: as much as possible
[02:33:00] visik7: probably it depends on the number of plugin installed
[02:33:00] visik7: :)
[02:33:00] Servo888: Just the basic mythtv install
[02:34:00] Kleptophobiac: I've run myth on 128 without issues... it just doesn't make for a happy diskless system
[02:34:00] dev-: i have 512 in my frontend/slavebackened and 512 in my masterbackend. both work great.
[02:34:00] Kleptophobiac: I run a diskless system with 512 and it's very happy
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[02:34:00] Kleptophobiac: just use a lightweight window manager, like fluxbox
[02:34:00] Servo888: I've got 256 and free -m reports 3mb free =\ with mythtvbackend eating up most of it
[02:34:00] dev-: ive noticed in 0.18.1 that after a while, mythfrontend starts eating up alot of memory
[02:34:00] dev-: i had frontend up for about 45days, was useing ~600meg of memory
[02:34:00] Kleptophobiac: yay memorly leaks
[02:34:00] dev-: yup
[02:35:00] Kleptophobiac: I run a cron job that reboots my box at 3 am every tuesday
[02:35:00] dev-: better hop you're not recording shit when you do that
[02:35:00] dev-: heh
[02:35:00] Kleptophobiac: because memory leaks suck
[02:35:00] Kleptophobiac: just the frontend
[02:35:00] dev-: all you need to do is exit the frontend
[02:35:00] dev-: its not windows heh
[02:35:00] Kleptophobiac: I have a separate frontend and backend
[02:35:00] Kleptophobiac: and the frontend is diskless
[02:35:00] Kleptophobiac: so it doesn't hurt anything to reboot
[02:35:00] Kleptophobiac: no hard drive spindown or anything
[02:36:00] Kleptophobiac: it's not like I'm ever awake at 3 am on a tuesday
[02:36:00] Servo888: Where do you specify the xvmc option in mythtv?
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[02:36:00] dev-: Kleptophobiac: heh
[02:36:00] Kleptophobiac: settingsl, tv, playback
[02:36:00] Kleptophobiac: page or four in
[02:38:00] Servo888: Kleptophobiac, all I see is "Use libmpeg2 for decoding" and nothing xvmc related
[02:38:00] dev-: keep going
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[02:38:00] Dagmar: it "gets interrupted"?
[02:38:00] dev-: Servo888: become framiliar with the setup menus. all of them. intimitely framiliar.
[02:38:00] dev-: Servo888: 90% of your questions will be answered by looking at everything
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[02:38:00] znoG: hi all. Does anyone know of a supported PCMCIA capture card ?? I had a look at the cards list for bt8x8 but none seem to be PCMCIA.
[02:40:00] Kleptophobiac: negative
[02:40:00] Kleptophobiac: try USB
[02:40:00] Kleptophobiac: or if you must, USB via a PCMCIA add in card
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[02:41:00] ** guest tears hair out **
[02:41:00] Kleptophobiac: ouch
[02:41:00] Dagmar: Cardbus, in general, sucks.
[02:41:00] ** guest followed the wiki directions for hauppage pvr 350 **
[02:42:00] ** guest has lots of pretty lines acorss the tv screen instead of a desktop **
[02:43:00] Hal: If it's pretty, what's the problem? :)
[02:43:00] ** guest kicks the wiki and its errors, of course issing diff agasint XF86 pvr and prv sample are going to be the same, cause you copied sample to the prv file **
[02:43:00] guest: brat :P
[02:44:00] guest: the wiki said to take the prv350 sampele and copy it to pvr , and do a diff, and of course they are the same..
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[02:44:00] Dagmar: It says this where?
[02:44:00] guest: so other than the bus id, whate is supposed to be modified in the XF84Config-4.pvr file?
[02:44:00] updatelee: lol, unless you got bad sectors
[02:45:00] guest: i followed a wiki for mythtv and knoppix
[02:45:00] Hal: Um...do you mean that filename?
[02:46:00] guest: which file?
[02:46:00] Hal: Never mind. Confused.
[02:46:00] guest: im trying to tap into the pvr 350 and use its output to display to my tv
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[02:47:00] Hal: Where are the instructions you followed?
[02:48:00] guest: www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=HauppaugeThreeFifty
[02:49:00] ** guest reads web url off printed pages **
[02:49:00] guest: i think there instructions are goofed up
[02:49:00] Dagmar: I think your URL is goofed up
[02:49:00] guest: am i missing part of the url?
[02:49:00] Hal: http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=H . . . Installation
[02:49:00] guest: ah thank you
[02:50:00] Dagmar: guest: 1. It's a HOWTO for Knoppmyth, *not* Knoppix and MythTV
[02:50:00] riksta: hey is livetv stull broken in svn?
[02:51:00] Gumby: hrm, everytime I fast forward/rewind a program or change channels my sound resets to a specific volume. Is there somewhere I can edit to stop this from happening?
[02:51:00] Dagmar: guest: 2. Re-read the documentation.
[02:51:00] Hal: Gumby: that's odd
[02:51:00] Dagmar: You complaining about diff tells me that you didn't properly read the directions in the first place.
[02:52:00] Dagmar: Hopefully it will make sense the second time around.
[02:52:00] Gumby: Hal: yeah, and the volume is crazy loud too. hehe. and I dont have my remote working properly yet. So I have to ssh in and run alsamixer to fix it
[02:52:00] Gumby: hehe
[02:52:00] Hal: Gumby: ahh....that's the problem
[02:52:00] ** guest has the directions printed out **
[02:52:00] Kleptophobiac: yeah, you should use myth to change volume, not alsamixer
[02:52:00] Hal: Gumby: I suspect myth is resetting the volumes to the level it thinks are correct
[02:53:00] Gumby: Kleptophobiac: IC. gonna be tough to do that when I have no keyboard
[02:53:00] guest: for the 350, its not clear is im supposed to use fbdev or ivtvdev as a driver
[02:53:00] Kleptophobiac: keyboards are easily procured
[02:53:00] Kleptophobiac: or use vnc
[02:54:00] Dagmar: guest: Yes it is.
[02:54:00] Hal: Gumby: you feel lucky with mysql? I have a proposal, but it's in there
[02:54:00] ** guest holds up extra keyboard for Kleptophobiac **
[02:54:00] Dagmar: guest: The ivtv driver is *just* for the output port on the PVR-350.
[02:54:00] Gumby: I just have to get my remote working first
[02:54:00] Dagmar: guest: it can't drive a framebuffer display at all
[02:54:00] ** guest perks **
[02:54:00] guest: so i need both?
[02:55:00] Dagmar: READ THE HOWTO
[02:55:00] Hal: Gumby: This might work:
[02:55:00] Hal: update settings set data = "0" where value = "MythControlsVolume";
[02:56:00] Dagmar: The howto says everything you need to do, although some of these steps just don't have any point anymroe.
[02:56:00] Gumby: Hal: I can deal with it until I get my remote working. It wont be an issue once that is done. It should just take a quick kernel compile
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[02:56:00] toom: morning
[02:57:00] Dagmar: You install ivtv, then modify the X config (and maybe make a second one for a different configuration, which is what it's suggesting), and then steps five an on are pretty much accurate
[02:59:00] guest: so its telling me to change Driver "fbdev" to Driver "ivtvdev"
[02:59:00] ** guest smacks forehead, the diff command didnt provide me with anything that matched up to the instructions **
[03:01:00] guest: okie i can do that, um i cant get into X, i need a text editor that works in console only
[03:01:00] Dagmar: The diff was just showing you what the difference was between the two configs
[03:02:00] guest: when i ran it, it found no diffs
[03:02:00] guest: i will try this again
[03:02:00] guest: thanks for thelp
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[03:03:00] toom: i get the impression that the gentoo wiki doesn't really help me installing my tv card
[03:05:00] NightMonkey: toom: What's your card?
[03:06:00] toom: as i loaded bttv module, it said
[03:06:00] toom: bttv0: detected: DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T Lite [card=128], PCI subsystem ID is 18ac:db10
[03:06:00] toom: but it's using the connexant driver, so it should be detected on boot, because i build the cx88 support into the kernel
[03:07:00] toom: but that's all i get: cx2388x v4l2 driver version 0.0.5 loaded
[03:07:00] toom: cx2388x blackbird driver version 0.0.5 loaded
[03:07:00] that_weasel: is there any configuration outside of mythtv settings that I need to get my card working right?
[03:07:00] that_weasel: i tried kdetv and I get the same scrambled results as with myth...
[03:09:00] znoG: Kleptophobiac: actually it does have a USB slot on the laptop, so I could go USB. There's a few USB supported ones on Linux, right?
[03:10:00] slide: ok, WTF "The NVIDIA kernel module does not appear to be receiving interrupts generated by the NVIDIA graphics device."
[03:10:00] Kleptophobiac: yep
[03:10:00] Kleptophobiac: there's the plextor convertx
[03:10:00] Kleptophobiac: and the wintv PVR2 USB
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[03:16:00] znoG: nice
[03:16:00] znoG: i'll go that route
[03:17:00] znoG: that way I can move around the capture card from PC to PC
[03:17:00] Kleptophobiac: why not just move the recordings from pc to pc?
[03:18:00] znoG: yeah could do that
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[03:41:00] that_weasel: ok i'm tired of messing with this AverTV card...i'm just going to buy a decent card and be done with it..
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[03:45:00] fman: will be eaiser in the end for sure
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[03:46:00] fman: the pvr150 seems to work ok apart from pixelisation I get each time I change channels on the decoder!
[03:47:00] _brendan: hi, is there a way to clear the tv listings?
[03:51:00] _brendan: i'm having an odd problem where all my listings a several hours ahead of scedule
[03:52:00] _brendan: it was fine until daylite saving time and then i was an hour off, everything i tried to do to fix it just made it worse:-)
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[04:00:00] fman: guys, I just recompiled everything from scratch and mythbackend won't start
[04:00:00] fman: This app was compiled against libmyth version: ????.20050712–1, but the library is version: 0.19.20051109–1
[04:00:00] fman: any ideas
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[04:04:00] toom: this isn't very good, is it?
[04:04:00] xris: fman: you need to install the new myth libs before compiling the plugins.
[04:04:00] toom: 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
[04:04:00] toom: Subsystem: DViCO Corporation: Unknown device db10
[04:04:00] toom: lspci -v output
[04:04:00] xris: so compile mythtv first, install it, THEN compile the plugins.
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[04:54:00] znoG: guys, anyone using an AVerMedia AVerTV USB ??
[04:55:00] znoG: there's a few supported AVerTV listed in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/bttv/Cards, but not specifically the USB model
[04:55:00] znoG: just want to make sure it's supported before I go out and buy it
[04:56:00] djperegrine: good luck :P
[04:56:00] qfour20: I dunno.... the only well supported usb encoders (not frame grabbers) that i found in the docs a while back were the new happauge ones
[04:56:00] qfour20: take this with a heap of salt, as i'm very new to myth
[04:57:00] djperegrine: my experience with that kind of stuff and linux is you can get it to work ... eventually
[04:57:00] djperegrine: execpt for my ATI radeon 7000 tv-out because everyone uses nvidia :P
[04:58:00] znoG: qfour20: oh, i'm not buying a hardware encoder, just a frame grabber
[04:59:00] qfour20: i have a general question about hardware... you may have felt this pain before
[04:59:00] znoG: i'm new to all this myself. Just want to be able to watch TV on Linux, record stuff and compress to DIVX/XVID (so I can finally get rid of my tapes), etc
[04:59:00] qfour20: i have a 9800pro that i want to use for mythtv... how well supported is it?
[04:59:00] znoG: so i figured i'll get a USB one, so I can do it from my lappie too
[04:59:00] qfour20: never used an ati card for linux before
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[05:00:00] dcstimm: did 18.2 come out today? the guys at Apple sad it did
[05:04:00] djperegrine: :O
[05:04:00] djperegrine: I dought it considering live TV doesn't even work in the svn
[05:04:00] Dagmar: dcstimm: Well, it doesn't really count until it's on hte website even if it did
[05:05:00] FuDing: I'm using 5A22 which supposedly has an SVN version in it
[05:05:00] FuDing: and live TV works fine
[05:05:00] djperegrine: FuDing, that snapshot works fine
[05:05:00] FuDing: ah ok
[05:05:00] FuDing: so they broke it later
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[05:05:00] djperegrine: iin the current one it doesn't ( apparenetly)
[05:05:00] djperegrine: yep
[05:05:00] FuDing: heh
[05:05:00] FuDing: progress ;)
[05:06:00] djperegrine: I have 5A22 to :P
[05:06:00] FuDing: now if I could just get wireless to work
[05:07:00] djperegrine: FuDing, do you have a prism2 usb device?
[05:07:00] FuDing: unfortunately no
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[05:07:00] djperegrine: :(
[05:07:00] djperegrine: what do you have?
[05:07:00] FuDing: I have two linksys usb
[05:07:00] FuDing: and one pci linksys card
[05:07:00] FuDing: the pci and one of the usb are rt2500
[05:07:00] djperegrine: the usb linksys might be prism2 based
[05:07:00] FuDing: the older usb is a WUSB54GV2
[05:07:00] FuDing: well
[05:08:00] FuDing: I tried all the drivers
[05:08:00] qfour20: question.... is it possible to get a prism2 based cnr card?
[05:08:00] FuDing: with ndiswrapper
[05:08:00] djperegrine: yea ndiswrapper is what I use for my laptop
[05:08:00] qfour20: the motherboard i bought has a cnr slot and i'm wondering if it's just gonna be a waste of space
[05:08:00] FuDing: Now I have been reduced to taking a spare Buffalo WBR54G and attempting to use WDS
[05:09:00] FuDing: djperegrine yea for a laptop I could use my Orinoco
[05:09:00] FuDing: this is for my tower that I want to put in my living room
[05:09:00] djperegrine: FuDing, thats what I do
[05:09:00] djperegrine: but its really loud
[05:09:00] djperegrine: :(
[05:09:00] FuDing: heh
[05:09:00] djperegrine: I have a mac-mini sitting around but I dunno how I am going to use it
[05:10:00] FuDing: mini is a toy
[05:10:00] FuDing: no expansion
[05:10:00] FuDing: good for mounting in vehicles ;)
[05:10:00] djperegrine: usb has everything though :O
[05:10:00] FuDing: try upgrading the video card
[05:10:00] FuDing: or getting digital out
[05:10:00] djperegrine: I can't do that on my laptop either
[05:11:00] djperegrine: which sucks balls
[05:11:00] FuDing: hehe
[05:11:00] djperegrine: I don't have any pixel shaders on this
[05:11:00] FuDing: ah bummer
[05:11:00] djperegrine: yea
[05:11:00] FuDing: I bought a lappy with X300 chipset
[05:11:00] djperegrine: and my other comp is a mythtv box :P
[05:11:00] FuDing: its not great but it does the job
[05:12:00] FuDing: I need more bandwidth
[05:12:00] djperegrine: I might make my laptop my mythtv "box'
[05:12:00] FuDing: Now I have a mythtv box and a slingbox
[05:12:00] djperegrine: slingbox?
[05:13:00] FuDing: www.slingmedia.com
[05:13:00] FuDing: I think
[05:13:00] djperegrine: oh
[05:13:00] FuDing: works great
[05:13:00] FuDing: You'll laugh when I tell you why I bought it
[05:14:00] djperegrine: I would never use that
[05:14:00] FuDing: bbiab gotta flash the Buffalo with Sveasoft
[05:14:00] djperegrine: I can walk downstairs thank you :P
[05:15:00] FuDing: I watch Weather Channel from Japan
[05:15:00] FuDing: since I live on the Gulf Coast
[05:15:00] FuDing: and travel to asia a lot
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[05:15:00] djperegrine: yea
[05:15:00] djperegrine: I don't travel that much
[05:16:00] djperegrine: you could hook your mythtv box up to the sling thing
[05:16:00] djperegrine: that would be cool
[05:16:00] FuDing: hehe
[05:16:00] FuDing: I thought about it
[05:16:00] djperegrine: and use mythwifi
[05:16:00] FuDing: I think I'll just open up ftp on the mythbox
[05:17:00] FuDing: and download the recordings to my notebook
[05:17:00] djperegrine: heh
[05:17:00] djperegrine: yea
[05:17:00] FuDing: less bandwidth
[05:17:00] djperegrine: i just use samba
[05:17:00] FuDing: I;m not opening port 139 in my firewall
[05:17:00] FuDing: no f'in way
[05:18:00] djperegrine: you don't need to :O
[05:18:00] FuDing: from the WAN side?
[05:18:00] djperegrine: oh
[05:18:00] djperegrine: yea you do in that case
[05:18:00] FuDing: :P
[05:18:00] djperegrine: greate
[05:18:00] djperegrine: 47 megs left on my C drive
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[05:22:00] slide: Sometimes in myth i get stuck in a plugin and cant get out, esc does nothing. Is there anyway to force out of it?
[05:22:00] slide: Without killing X
[05:22:00] djperegrine: slide, same here
[05:23:00] slide: =\
[05:23:00] djperegrine: Accually, I got the svn and haven't noticed that happen
[05:23:00] FuDing: I try to launch an xterm before myth
[05:23:00] djperegrine: my work around was use a jumppoint
[05:23:00] FuDing: then if I get stuck I alt-tab
[05:23:00] FuDing: kill -9 is your frien
[05:23:00] FuDing: d
[05:23:00] slide: Im using KnoppMyth R5A22
[05:24:00] djperegrine: :O
[05:24:00] djperegrine: hrm
[05:24:00] djperegrine: yea just make a bunch of jump-points
[05:24:00] slide: whats a jump point?
[05:24:00] mstanisl: FuDing: why bother with opening an xterm when you can just jump tO a real term with ctrl + alt + F?
[05:24:00] FuDing: didnt know I could do that
[05:25:00] slide: Is an hour of recording off a pvr-150 supposed to be ~2GB?
[05:25:00] FuDing: ctrl-alt-f didnt work
[05:25:00] slide: ctrl-alt-f#
[05:25:00] slide: like ctrl-alt-f1
[05:25:00] djperegrine: slide, you can set things like watch live tv and all the different to buttons
[05:26:00] mstanisl: ? being like the shell ? — rc?.d/ for example :)
[05:26:00] mstanisl: like slide said
[05:26:00] slide: djperegrine, is there a default one?
[05:26:00] Dagmar: slide: Yes.
[05:26:00] slide: im using a keyboard no remote yet
[05:26:00] Dagmar: slide: That was mentioned in the HOWTO/FAQ, actually.
[05:26:00] slide: ah
[05:27:00] djperegrine: slide, yea thats what I get for the defualt
[05:27:00] djperegrine: I transcode to MPEG-4 and get that down to 1 Gig though
[05:27:00] FuDing: oh a tty doh
[05:27:00] FuDing: I did know how to do that LOL
[05:27:00] slide: lol
[05:27:00] FuDing: brain fart
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[05:28:00] djperegrine: There aren't default jumppoints but you can set them really easily in mythweb
[05:28:00] djperegrine: ( type the IP adress of the mythtv box in your browser )
[05:29:00] slide: yea
[05:29:00] slide: hehe
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[05:30:00] djperegrine: is there a way if the computer has no tasks to make it go into some hibernate mode where the fan isn't as loud?
[05:30:00] djperegrine: wake up for record I guess
[05:30:00] slide: ok i see no HOWTO/FAQ on the site
[05:32:00] Dagmar: slide: Go to http://www.mythtv.org. Look on the left-hand column of the page. Click on Documentation
[05:32:00] Dagmar: It's _right there_.
[05:32:00] djperegrine: FuDing, check out the program DriverLoader
[05:32:00] djperegrine: its like ndiswrapper
[05:32:00] slide: yea, that says 'Documentation' which is ALOT to read
[05:32:00] djperegrine: but might work better
[05:32:00] djperegrine: for your wireless problems
[05:32:00] Dagmar: slide: You *really* need to read that thing all the way through if you haven't already.
[05:33:00] FuDing: djperegrine I am too cheap
[05:33:00] FuDing: I like freeware
[05:33:00] Dagmar: ...and if you can't stand reading, then Linux is not the operating system for you.
[05:33:00] slide: lol
[05:33:00] slide: im going to read it all
[05:33:00] slide: reading stuff that doesnt need to be read is stupid
[05:33:00] Dagmar: No, ignoring documentation is stupid.
[05:34:00] Dagmar: Probably every question you've asked since you've been in here has been listed in there
[05:34:00] slide: so
[05:34:00] djperegrine: Thats not true :O
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[05:34:00] Dagmar: djperegrine: Well, he has come up with a few new ones
[05:34:00] slide: I see you've gotten the superiority complex that comes with using linux down
[05:35:00] FuDing: OSWar!
[05:35:00] ** FuDing settles in to watch the fight **
[05:35:00] Dagmar: ...and I see you've gotten the "voluntarily remaining ignorant makes me cooler" thing down pat, too.
[05:36:00] Dagmar: Everyone using MythTV *should* read that page at least *once*
[05:36:00] Dagmar: Life is *easier* with just a tiny bit of foreknowledge
[05:37:00] FuDing: sometimes incomplete knowledge is worse than no knowledge
[05:38:00] Dagmar: The disk space issue is mentioned in detail at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1
[05:39:00] Dagmar: slide: ...and don't think you can convince me that you can't read, because I've seen you in here using proper spelling and punctuation. You can hide it from your friends but *I* know you're literate.
[05:39:00] Dagmar: So ha!
[05:40:00] slide: ok so mythcommflag is using 20% cpu wtf
[05:40:00] slide: heh
[05:40:00] slide: can i just kill it?
[05:40:00] slide: oh wait
[05:40:00] slide: n/m thats flagging the tv show
[05:40:00] Dagmar: slide: You're getting off easy there actually. It can use more CPU than that.
[05:40:00] Dagmar: If it's a problem just use renice to push it down a little
[05:40:00] ** slide just thought it had something to do with mythfrontend not respoding **
[05:40:00] toom: anyone experience with a DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T card?
[05:41:00] toom: i found a website but it doesn't seem to be uptodate
[05:41:00] toom: it's using patches which already seem to be applied (or not) and so on
[05:41:00] Gumby: can anyone tell me if there is a way to stop a recording without having access to the frontend and without killing the backend?
[05:42:00] Dagmar: Gumby: Maybe Mythweb can do it--xris would know
[05:42:00] Gumby: Dagmar: from what I can see mythweb doesnt allow you to stop or delete an active recording
[05:43:00] slide: yes it does
[05:43:00] Dagmar: Why would it even matter if you're not at the console to start a new recording?
[05:43:00] xris: mythweb sort of can, but it's a hack. you delete the in-progress recording.
[05:43:00] slide: in "Recorded Programs"
[05:43:00] Gumby: xris: how so? I dont see an option to delete it
[05:43:00] Dagmar: In theory you should be able to start a new recording with higher priority and bump the existing one, if that's what you're ultimately after
[05:44:00] Chutt: that won't work.
[05:44:00] xris: Gumby: thought there was a bug in about it.
[05:45:00] xris: you're not supposed to be able to.
[05:45:00] slide: How long should mythcommflag take? (its like a 1.5GHz machine)
[05:46:00] xris: slide: "take"... what are you flagging? 100 hour-long crappy-quality recordings will take a lot longer than a 30-minute dvb 380p recording.
[05:46:00] slide: its a 1hr recording from a pvr-150 default settings
[05:46:00] xris: maybe 5 minutes? dunno
[05:46:00] slide: k
[05:49:00] toom: wow, at least the IR seams to appear: hiddev96: USB HID v1.10 Device [DVICO DVICO USB HID Remocon V1.00] on usb-0000:00:07.2–2
[05:52:00] Dagmar: About 1.5x the length of the programming
[05:52:00] Tanthrix: GreyFoxx: You around?
[05:53:00] toom: that's not right, is it? # dmesg |grep -i tuner
[05:53:00] toom: bttv0: using tuner=-1
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[05:59:00] Dagmar: Yeah, that looks bad
[06:02:00] toom: the website sais it has a Thomson 7579 tuner
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[06:07:00] toom: which seems to be included incx99-dvb.c
[06:09:00] toom: hm, maybe i should load the cx22702 module before i load the dvb_bt8xx
[06:15:00] toom: doesn't change anything
[06:16:00] toom: any ideas?
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[06:20:00] Quan: hey what demuxer do you need to play a .nuv in mplayer?
[06:20:00] DeltaF: Yeah. What's up with that nuv?
[06:21:00] DeltaF: :P
[06:21:00] Quan: hehe
[06:21:00] Quan: I had it set up once before, but got a new box now :(
[06:21:00] DeltaF: Somehow I had assumed it would be a standard format...
[06:21:00] Captain_Murdoch: depends on what kind of TV card you have.
[06:21:00] Quan: frame grabber
[06:22:00] DeltaF: bttv?
[06:22:00] Captain_Murdoch: some .nuv are reallly .mpg
[06:22:00] Quan: yeah
[06:22:00] DeltaF: me too
[06:22:00] Captain_Murdoch: bttv needs the patch for mplayer
[06:22:00] DeltaF: I can't get frontend to work..
[06:22:00] Quan: bttv needs the patch?
[06:22:00] DeltaF: Once I get that working, I'll just transcode everything to divx or something and forget nuv. :P
[06:22:00] Captain_Murdoch: bttv .nuv files
[06:23:00] Quan: I'm trying to watch a .nuv on another box, not the backend....
[06:23:00] Captain_Murdoch: do you compile your own mplayer?
[06:23:00] Quan: I can
[06:24:00] Quan: didn't think I did on the old system, there was just some lib I needed IIRC
[06:24:00] DeltaF: To that end.. My lircd isn't working.. I've seen lots of others asking about my issue, but no solutions.
[06:24:00] Captain_Murdoch: maybe it was prepatched. I didn't think stock mplayer would play Myth's .nuv files.
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[06:25:00] DeltaF: Anyone now what this means: "could not get file information for /dev/lirc"
[06:25:00] DeltaF: which file?
[06:25:00] DeltaF: And also: default_init(): No such file or directory
[06:25:00] DeltaF: I don't understand the /etc/udev/lirc.rules file format..
[06:25:00] DeltaF: So, I'm just a mess. ;)
[06:25:00] Quan: DeltaF: means you don't have lirc support on in the kernel
[06:26:00] DeltaF: oh goodie.
[06:26:00] Gumby: hrm, this is no good.
[06:26:00] DeltaF: But lircd starts OK and the dev is there.
[06:26:00] DeltaF: still no support
[06:26:00] DeltaF: ?
[06:26:00] Quan: modprobe lirc_whatever ?
[06:26:00] Chutt: you did check to see that /dev/lirc exists?
[06:26:00] DeltaF: which whatever? like lirc_happague
[06:26:00] DeltaF: /etc/lircd does
[06:26:00] Dagmar: Man the guy at mythtv.info so desperately needs a MediaWiki
[06:26:00] Quan: lirc_dev and then lirc_bt829 or whatever
[06:27:00] toom: ok, let's go to easier things first. dmesg gives me ALSA device list:
[06:27:00] toom: #0: Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xe400, irq 12
[06:27:00] Chutt: i didn't ask if /etc/lircd exists.
[06:27:00] DeltaF: lirc_dev isn't found, neither lirc_device
[06:27:00] toom: but alsaconfig can't find any pci devices
[06:27:00] DeltaF: er. wow. sorry. /dev/lircd does
[06:27:00] Chutt: i asked if /dev/lirc exists, since that was in the error message.
[06:27:00] Gumby: I have two boxes. one has a pvr250 and a bttv card in it and the other has just a bttv card. when the master backend (pvr250 box) is recording using the pvr250 and I am watching livetv on the slave backend box (using another bttv card) it is very stuttery.
[06:27:00] Gumby: anyone have any ideas why this might be?
[06:28:00] DeltaF: srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Nov 12 01:24 /dev/lircd
[06:28:00] Quan: there's a /dev/lircd?
[06:28:00] Chutt: geez
[06:28:00] Chutt: for the third time
[06:28:00] Chutt: does /dev/lirc exist.
[06:28:00] DeltaF: I said no, but /dev/lircd does
[06:28:00] Chutt: you never said 'no'.
[06:28:00] Quan: DeltaF: check your modprobe.conf make sure it's not aliased wrong, should be lirc not lircd
[06:28:00] DeltaF: fine..
[06:28:00] DeltaF: No.
[06:28:00] Chutt: quan, you're utterly wrong.
[06:28:00] Quan: wth is /dev/lircd?
[06:29:00] ** DeltaF shrugs. **
[06:29:00] Quan: heh
[06:29:00] Chutt: uh, the standard pipe that lircd uses to communicate with its client apps?
[06:29:00] DeltaF: Supposedly, irw uses /dev/ircd by default.
[06:29:00] DeltaF: wow. I'm terrible
[06:29:00] Quan: ahh
[06:29:00] DeltaF: /dev/lircd
[06:29:00] Chutt: you're running lircd wrong.
[06:29:00] Chutt: point it to the correct devicename in /dev
[06:30:00] Chutt: something like /dev/lirc0 or /dev/lirc/0
[06:30:00] Chutt: with the --device param.
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[06:30:00] ** Quan shrugs **
[06:30:00] DeltaF: I was following the fedora/mythtv howto. What I have, I have by default install.
[06:30:00] Quan: I just bought a ATI RF remote, plug it in and it works :)
[06:31:00] DeltaF: Is there a change to the udev/lirc.rules, or to the init.d script?
[06:31:00] Chutt: i don't know jack about unsupported crap like fedora.
[06:31:00] DeltaF: That's nice.
[06:31:00] Chutt: i told you exactly what's wrong, after having to repeat myself how many times?
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[06:40:00] DeltaF: And that didn't do a damn thing.
[06:40:00] Chutt: then you didn't change it right.
[06:41:00] Chutt: only way you'll get that error message is if the device file it's trying to read from doesn't exist.
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[06:42:00] DeltaF: I just mknod'd the /dev/lirc0.. And started lircd as you stated.
[06:42:00] Chutt: uh
[06:42:00] DeltaF: running irw got the same set of errors.
[06:42:00] Chutt: if you're using udev, you should already have had a device
[06:42:00] DeltaF: I did. /dev/lircd
[06:43:00] Chutt: no, that's not the device.
[06:43:00] DeltaF: It's as close as I've got. I may need to modprobe something, but all of the suggestions in the docs don't work
[06:44:00] Chutt: lirc_i2c?
[06:44:00] DeltaF: not found
[06:45:00] Chutt: looks like you're missing a package.
[06:45:00] DeltaF: Sounds like my experience with linux in general.
[06:45:00] Chutt: so, go use windows.
[06:46:00] DeltaF: Ooo.. harsh.
[06:46:00] DeltaF: Each in its place.
[06:46:00] Chutt: i mean, you can't even answer easy questions without multiple promptings
[06:47:00] DeltaF: Just because you can't make a simple inference that my response was a "no, but <similar result>" doesn't mean I should go use windows.
[06:48:00] Chutt: considering that running lircd itself creates the /dev/lircd file
[06:48:00] DeltaF: And I've come here for help, not attitude.
[06:48:00] Chutt: how should i have made that inference?
[06:48:00] DeltaF: Because I was providing you with the closest that I had..
[06:48:00] Chutt: if you wanted help, you should try answering the questions people ask.
[06:48:00] DeltaF: I don't know the mechanics of lircd.
[06:48:00] DeltaF: When I can, I do.
[06:49:00] Chutt: all i asked was if a file existed. took _3_ tries.
[06:49:00] DeltaF: OMG. drop it.
[06:49:00] DeltaF: I was also talking to three people had a bit much to drink.
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[06:53:00] DeltaF: I'm not sure what self-satisfaction you get from copping an attitude so easily. It's really not productive.
[06:53:00] Chutt: yeah
[06:53:00] Chutt: because you can't answer questions, i'm 'copping an attitude'.
[06:53:00] toom: *help*
[06:54:00] DeltaF: You're impatient (and dwelling) on a my *initial* response.
[06:54:00] Chutt: impatient?
[06:54:00] toom: i am running out of ideas
[06:54:00] DeltaF: Well, at least we agree on dwelling, then.
[06:55:00] Chutt: sure
[06:55:00] mstanisl: i'm inclined to offer both of you a shot of vodka to give up another pointless pedantic irc argument for the sake of my channel buffer
[06:56:00] toom: yes. stop arguing against each other and work together helping me :)
[06:56:00] ** Tanthrix runs through the chan naked **
[06:57:00] mstanisl: alcohol and nudity solves everything
[06:58:00] DeltaF: I'm trying to get some help troubleshooting what *should be* a straightforward install of a Fedora package and common utility, instead, I get details on how "I'm answering wrong"
[06:58:00] DeltaF: I'd be happy to stop arguing...
[06:58:00] Chutt: then stop?
[06:58:00] DeltaF: I'd just like some level-headed assistance.
[06:58:00] Tanthrix: I've got half a fifth of everclear on my desk. I finally decided that buying predilluted alcohol was a waste of money.
[06:58:00] Chutt: don't act like you deserve help.
[06:58:00] mstanisl: Tanthrix: direct route.
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[06:58:00] DeltaF: I don't deserve the attitude.
[06:59:00] Chutt: you earned it.
[06:59:00] mstanisl: no one deserves anything
[06:59:00] mstanisl: its free fucking software
[06:59:00] mstanisl: good game.
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[07:00:00] DeltaF: Seriously. What's the next step to get the lirc_i2c module through yum/apt/rpm/whatever?
[07:00:00] Chutt: it's in jarod's doc.
[07:00:00] DeltaF: According to the mythtv fedora howto, it should have been trivial.
[07:00:00] Chutt: the lirc-kmdl-<version> package.
[07:01:00] Tanthrix: All I know is GreyFoxx is a god for writing a patch for mythvideo to prevent database access during file listings.
[07:02:00] Tanthrix: Speaking of lirc, I'm having a funky problem. Lirc seems to be ignoring delay = whatever and/or repeat = whatever
[07:03:00] Tanthrix: No matter what I specify in my lircrc, when I go into mythtv I still have to make sure I only give my remote the slightest of flicks, otherwise I end up doing 5 things I didn't mean to.
[07:03:00] Chutt: how high did you go?
[07:04:00] DeltaF: There's no exact match to my kernel, and when I try to install the newest it says "Nothing to do" (but not that it couldn't match)
[07:04:00] DeltaF: I assume that means it's installed...
[07:04:00] Tanthrix: 25 or so on the delay. But I didn't notice any difference at all.
[07:04:00] Chutt: which driver?
[07:05:00] Tanthrix: Whatver comes default with mandrake le2005. It works fine on one system, my main system with the backend, but the new frontend I've been building has been the troublesome box.,
[07:05:00] Chutt: no, which remote driver :p
[07:05:00] Chutt: type of remote
[07:06:00] Tanthrix: Oh, it's a sony remote from an older vcr. I used a similar conf and irrecord to make it all right.
[07:07:00] Tanthrix: I was wondering if it might be the remote.
[07:07:00] Tanthrix: That doesn't really make sense though
[07:07:00] Chutt: using the same config file for both?
[07:07:00] Chutt: the same lircd.conf
[07:07:00] Chutt: irrecord may have misdetected the repeat stuff
[07:07:00] Tanthrix: no, it's a different remote control
[07:08:00] Tanthrix: I suppose I could do something crazy like using the remote on the system that works for testing ;)
[07:08:00] Chutt: irrecord never seemed that accurate, to me
[07:09:00] Chutt: 'sweird that the delay/repeat stuff doesn't work, though
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[07:23:00] toom: does it matter in which order kernel modules get loaded?
[07:23:00] toom: to provide full support for hardware
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[07:32:00] riksta: Chutt: please could you give me the svn revision from just before you started changing the livetv stuff ? thanks
[07:32:00] Chutt: check bug #340
[07:32:00] riksta: ok great
[07:33:00] Chutt: the revision that says 'THIS BREAKS LIVETV' is the one after that =)
[07:33:00] riksta: ya nice
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[07:33:00] riksta: i didnt realise you had that on the tracker
[07:33:00] Chutt: yeah
[07:33:00] riksta: how is that work coming anyway
[07:33:00] Chutt: every checkin related to the new livetv stuff is in that bug
[07:33:00] Chutt: almost done
[07:33:00] riksta: awesome
[07:33:00] Chutt: aside from fixing bugs/tweaking how it works/etc
[07:34:00] Chutt: i'll be turning it back on in mythfrontend this weekend, looks like.
[07:34:00] Chutt: assuming i can find my bttv card
[07:34:00] riksta: nice work
[07:34:00] riksta: ew bttv ;)
[07:34:00] Chutt: heh
[07:35:00] Chutt: the analog recording doesn't work with switching files on the fly yet =)
[07:35:00] Chutt: last major piece of things
[07:35:00] riksta: thats cool, does the DVB stuff work already?
[07:35:00] riksta: im hoping it's gonna speed up my dvb channel changes
[07:35:00] Chutt: oh, i dunno
[07:35:00] Chutt: daniel may be wanting to rework how some of that works
[07:36:00] riksta: cool
[07:41:00] riksta: Chutt: do you think with the new changes to livetv it'll be possible to implement the watching of multiple channels on the same dvb transport more easily now?
[07:41:00] Chutt: nope
[07:41:00] Chutt: nothing to do with that
[07:41:00] Chutt: doesn't make that any easier/harder
[07:41:00] riksta: oh, hmm guess i got my wires crossed
[07:42:00] riksta: yeah i guess it doesn't anyway coz you just dump the whole stream and filter out which one you wanted anyway
[07:43:00] Chutt: yup
[07:43:00] Chutt: it _should_ allow multiple viewers of the same live-tv session, however
[07:43:00] Chutt: eventually, at least
[07:43:00] riksta: yeah thats pretty high on everyones wishlist
[07:44:00] Chutt: naw, not mine =)
[07:44:00] Chutt: i'm not sure if i'm going to bother fixing PiP, either
[07:44:00] Chutt: at least right away
[07:44:00] riksta: nah not if you're hardcore you don't "do livetv" :)
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[07:45:00] Chutt: for at least the past year, i've really only used livetv to see if ivtv was working
[07:45:00] riksta: livetv is over for me personally
[07:45:00] Chutt: i dunno why i'm spending so much time on this
[07:46:00] Chutt: especially since i apparently never listen to what my users want
[07:46:00] riksta: haha
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[07:58:00] toom: brilliant. tvout works, as long i don't startup xorg
[07:59:00] DeltaF: Modify the xorg.conf to use the TV out.
[08:00:00] toom: i basically copied that one: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showt . . . eadid=377828
[08:00:00] DeltaF: Do you have your video card's drivers?
[08:01:00] DeltaF: And are you using PAL or NTSC-M?
[08:01:00] toom: PAL
[08:01:00] toom: i emerged nvidia-kernel which is supposed to install the nvidia module
[08:02:00] DeltaF: In fedora I had a much better experience with nvidia's install script, FYI.
[08:02:00] DeltaF: But, if it loads, then hey.
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[08:02:00] DeltaF: I also think I used a cloned display.
[08:02:00] toom: no, it doesn't..
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[08:03:00] djperegrine: toom, do you have a ati ?
[08:03:00] DeltaF: Does it load to a VGA monitor?
[08:03:00] toom: no, nvidia fx5200
[08:03:00] djperegrine: oh
[08:03:00] djperegrine: then it should work :O
[08:03:00] DeltaF: Oh. You want my xorg file? That's what I have. Of course, I'm in NTSC-M
[08:04:00] PumpkinPie: what is that popular video streaming software that has a popular channel on freenode?
[08:04:00] PumpkinPie: i forget
[08:04:00] DeltaF: xmms?
[08:05:00] PumpkinPie: let me see if that was it
[08:05:00] PumpkinPie: I dont remember the name actually but it could be
[08:05:00] toom: i guess, if the nvidia module doesn't load, it all makes no sense, does it?
[08:05:00] toom: i'm trying the "nv" now
[08:05:00] PumpkinPie: no
[08:05:00] PumpkinPie: it was just a tool to stream video
[08:05:00] DeltaF: videolan client?
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[08:05:00] DeltaF: aka vlc
[08:06:00] PumpkinPie: its not just a client
[08:06:00] PumpkinPie: its a server for the most part I believe
[08:06:00] DeltaF: videolan streams as well.
[08:06:00] DeltaF: How about icecast?
[08:06:00] ** DeltaF just names streaming media apps... **
[08:06:00] PumpkinPie: it was DVD quality streaming capability
[08:07:00] DeltaF: I give up. :)
[08:08:00] PumpkinPie: Ill join every freenode channel if I have to
[08:08:00] PumpkinPie: first im going to browse freshmeat and see if something jogs the memory
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[08:09:00] DeltaF: I think there's a registered channel list on the website.
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[08:19:00] toom: what could that mean: (WW) NV: More than one matching Device section found: Videocard1
[08:20:00] toom: there is only one device section that uses Identifier "Videocard1"
[08:21:00] toom: and there is only one screen section, that uses Device "Videocard1"
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[08:26:00] Dagmar: So how many times does "Videocard1" appear in the conf file in total?
[08:27:00] toom: 2 times
[08:27:00] PumpkinPie: I think it was videolan
[08:28:00] PumpkinPie: * 0.5 to 4 Mbit/s for an MPEG-4 stream,
[08:28:00] PumpkinPie: * 3 to 4 Mbit/s for an MPEG-2 stream read from a satellite card, a digital terrestial television card or an MPEG-2 encoding card,
[08:28:00] PumpkinPie: * 6 to 9 Mbit/s for a DVD.
[08:28:00] DeltaF: thought so. ;)
[08:28:00] DeltaF: how's the channel?
[08:29:00] PumpkinPie: 101 people
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[08:36:00] toom: ok, when i load the nvidia module it sais: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[08:36:00] toom: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> Link [LNKA] -> GSI 12 (level, low) -> IRQ 12
[08:36:00] toom: NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0–6629 Wed Nov 3 13:12:51 PST 2004
[08:37:00] toom: but xinit fails with: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
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[09:49:00] PaulWay: Anyone have any ideas why I wouldn't be able to watch live TV?
[09:55:00] toom: same for me
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[10:06:00] tc-: I have written a nice program that automatically keeps the MythTV media database uptodate in realtime using the new kernel notification messages, it hasn't beed widley tested yet so I need some feedback, if anyone is interested you can find it here: http://coderworld.net/project/view.php?pid=34
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[10:17:00] Dagmar: What tuner do you guys have?
[10:17:00] laga: tc-: did you submit it to trac yet?
[10:18:00] tc-: laga: it's an external program
[10:18:00] laga: tc-: so? could still be included to contrib/
[10:19:00] tc-: laga: guess i could
[10:19:00] laga: :)
[10:19:00] tc-: :)
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[10:24:00] thefree: HELP! This morning mythtv stoped to work with the tv,the error is:
[10:25:00] thefree: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[10:25:00] thefree: ReadStringList timeout (quick).
[10:25:00] thefree: Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:
[10:25:00] Dibblah_: Restart mythbackend.
[10:26:00] thefree: yes!! It works! TKS!
[10:26:00] thefree: But why?
[10:27:00] thefree: I only startup the machine!
[10:28:00] thefree: Anyway,Dibblah_: tks a lot! ;)
[10:32:00] beavis: tc-: media database? which media?
[10:33:00] tc-: beavis: videometadata
[10:33:00] beavis: in mythvideo?
[10:33:00] tc-: Yeah
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[10:58:00] Juski: mornin'
[11:00:00] laga: hi Juski
[11:00:00] laga: how is it going?
[11:02:00] Juski: pretty good laga thanks.. no hangover today (yay)
[11:02:00] Juski: how's it going for you, laga?
[11:04:00] Juski: gonna be taking up the dbox challenge again soon, so I've been preparing for that. I need to do a new cable run so I can move the box upstairs... meaning another trip under the living floor (yikes). 40cm crawl space mostly populated by rubble & big spiders :(
[11:05:00] Juski: be a good opportunity to run some more CAT5 in though ;)
[11:05:00] laga: nice. i'm currently trying out ubuntu on my laptop, it's quite nice so far. having a driving lesson later...
[11:05:00] laga: hehe
[11:05:00] laga: cat5 is always good :)
[11:05:00] Juski: wireless schmireless... picture me, sitting with a laptop in the garden, with a reel of cat5 sitting next to me
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[11:06:00] laga: hehehe
[11:08:00] Juski: it's daft question time.. I've been searching the mailing lists etc... is it just me or does mythvideo not care about the 'browsable' flag? It doesn't seem to make any difference in any of the viewing modes (browse, gallery or list)
[11:09:00] Juski: oh dammit... scratch that
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[11:09:00] Juski: I can be such a n00b sometimes
[11:10:00] laga: ;)
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[11:18:00] Juski: weird thing I noticed last night... my backend system's HDD LED was flashing like crazy when it wasn't supposed to be doing anything... so I did some investigation... turned out that the flash player installer I'd forgotten about on a vnc session I left days ago had been eating up all the system memory. I think that might have been a 'near-miss' situation. sheesh
[11:20:00] laga: hehe
[11:20:00] laga: well, the kernel would have killed it if had gotten critical
[11:20:00] Juski: thing was it was just supposted to be sitting there waiting for me to click 'ok'
[11:20:00] laga: nice one
[11:21:00] Juski: think I'll keep surfing restricted to my windows box for now.. I don't care if that breaks
[11:21:00] laga: try ubuntu ;)
[11:21:00] Juski: blank HDD to fully working mythtv .. time taken.. 2 hours
[11:22:00] laga: spiffy
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[11:25:00] Juski: found out the hard way this week that you really shouldn't assign channel numbers to channels yourself if you have DVB-T. Set up recordings on a new channel (ITV4 – channel 30) which didn't work... when I looked into it I noticed that I'd set CBBC up on CH30 in a previous life. DUH. Course it was all fine before ITV4 came along.
[11:26:00] laga: sue them
[11:26:00] Juski: lol
[11:29:00] Juski: ahhh! each mythvideo viewing mode can have its own filters! wicked!
[11:30:00] Gumby: Juski: wanna come do mine now?
[11:30:00] Gumby: lol
[11:30:00] Juski: dunno.. how many channels you got?
[11:30:00] toom: fuq, just had a little disagreement with one of my case fans. now i've got a bleeding thumb
[11:30:00] Gumby: Juski: oh, the channels arent the issue. hehe.
[11:30:00] Juski: toom: ouch!
[11:31:00] Gumby: Juski: I finially figured out that the knoppmyth version I was using doesnt seem to play nice with bttv cards
[11:31:00] toom: lesson1: pull the plug before you remove the fan
[11:31:00] Gumby: after like 8 hours
[11:32:00] Juski: there's a Sun server which has 2 foot long aluminium centrifugal fans.. you REALLY don't wanna put your fingers in them
[11:32:00] toom: that damn thing knew exactly where it needs to hit me. just under the nail..
[11:32:00] Gumby: toom: they always do
[11:32:00] Gumby: hehe
[11:33:00] Juski: eeeevil leetle fans!
[11:33:00] toom: if i hadn't bought it just yesterday i would have killed it
[11:33:00] Juski: last time I did that it broke the fan & I had to chuck it
[11:34:00] toom: well, this one is just plastic..
[11:34:00] toom: 'just'
[11:35:00] Juski: yeh.. 'only' a sharp bit of plastic rotating at high speed
[11:35:00] Juski: time for breakfast :)
[11:36:00] ** Gumby wonders what he missed when compiling this kernel.... **
[11:36:00] Gumby: Kernel Panic – not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(0,0)
[11:36:00] Gumby: hehe
[11:36:00] Juski: hmmm I wonder...
[11:36:00] laga: Gumby: probably ext2/ext3/reiferfs support
[11:36:00] laga: Gumby: the driver for your root FS needs to be compiled in your kernel
[11:36:00] toom: it hit me 3 times before i could stop it. you can see it clearly :)
[11:37:00] Gumby: laga: compiled in, compiled in, and not needed
[11:37:00] Gumby: hehe
[11:38:00] laga: Gumby: hehe
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[11:41:00] franktm|afk: zuralin: are you there :o
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[11:43:00] Gumby: ok, kernel #3 ...
[11:43:00] ** Gumby crosses his fingers as it boots **
[11:44:00] Gumby: hooray.... ITS ALIVE!!!
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[11:51:00] Gumby: gah
[11:51:00] Gumby: I keep running into brick walls
[11:51:00] Gumby: now ivtv wont compile in this kernel
[11:51:00] ** Gumby sighs **
[11:57:00] toom: yey, tvout and sound is working. lucky me. now it's just a small step to get the tv card running ..
[11:57:00] toom: *sigh*
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[12:06:00] franktm|afk: lot of sighs here :o
[12:06:00] toom: yes
[12:06:00] toom: i'm trying that for 10 hours now
[12:07:00] franktm|afk: i have troubles with the myth plugins
[12:07:00] franktm|afk: but...
[12:07:00] franktm|afk: gotta run
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[13:08:00] Gumby: man, this is crazy. build a new kernel and I can no longer start mythbackend because it cant connect to mysql properly
[13:08:00] toom: weird
[13:09:00] toom: i'm just compiling an older kernel to see if its working better wityh my card
[13:09:00] toom: it's all wrong
[13:13:00] Gumby: I think I see the issue now
[13:13:00] Gumby: a qt lib got changed
[13:14:00] Gumby: crazy debian debs. one package wants libqt3-mt-dev and the next wants libqt3-dev
[13:15:00] toom: qt for mysql?
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[13:22:00] Dagmar: Heh. what's DBF?
[13:23:00] Gumby: ok, this is driving me nuts
[13:30:00] toom: grub needs a fuzzy logic. it really could have guessed that i mean /kernel-2.6.11–8 when i typed /kernel-2.6.11.8
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[13:37:00] toom: great, tuner still doesn't work
[13:37:00] toom: any suggestions?
[13:37:00] toom: bttv0: detected: DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T Lite [card=128], PCI subsystem ID is 18ac:db10
[13:37:00] toom: bttv0: using tuner=-1
[13:37:00] Gumby: is that the right card/
[13:38:00] Gumby: tumer=-1 isnt valid I dont think
[13:38:00] Gumby: tuner
[13:38:00] toom: at the end it sais: DVB: registering frontend 0 (Zarlink MT352 DVB-T)...
[13:38:00] Gumby: what card is it?
[13:38:00] toom: it is a DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T Lite
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[13:39:00] toom: and it's supposed to have a connexant chip, not a booktree
[13:40:00] Gumby: hrm, my CARDLIST.bttv only goes up to 120
[13:40:00] Gumby: lol
[13:40:00] toom: hmh..
[13:41:00] Gumby: I have no idea when it comes to DVB cards
[13:42:00] toom: video4linux/CARDLIST.bttv:card=128 – DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T Lite
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[13:43:00] Gumby: I'd try and figure out what tuner chip it has on it.
[13:43:00] Gumby: I had to do that today with a bttv card of mine
[13:43:00] toom: it's a thomson 7579
[13:44:00] toom: which seems to be supported by pll.ko
[13:44:00] Gumby: is that in your CARDLIST.tuner ?
[13:44:00] toom: sek
[13:44:00] toom: probably not
[13:45:00] toom: there is tuner=52 – Thomson DDT 7610 (ATSC/NTSC)
[13:45:00] toom: and tuner=60 – Thomson DDT 7611 (ATSC/NTSC)
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[13:50:00] Gumby: do you see anything in that file with mt352
[13:50:00] Gumby: zarlink
[13:50:00] Gumby: google gives me some hits saying they are the same chip
[13:51:00] Gumby: ungh. its almost 6am. I should get some sleep
[13:51:00] toom: well
[13:51:00] toom: the zarlink is the COFDM Demodulator
[13:52:00] toom: whereas the thomson 7579 is the tuner chip
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[14:00:00] toom: great
[14:00:00] toom: 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
[14:01:00] toom: http://www.bttv-gallery.de/ sais: this is a "Rev: 1.1" card, and it has a Philips 1236D ATSC/NTSC tuner, rather than the Thomson which seems to be assumed by Chris Pascoe's driver
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[14:17:00] toom: well, ok
[14:17:00] toom: now i loaded modprobe -v bttv card=0x80 tuner=42
[14:17:00] toom: it's saying: bttv0: using tuner=42
[14:18:00] toom: and also DVB: registering new adapter (bttv0).
[14:18:00] toom: DVB: registering frontend 0 (Zarlink MT352 DVB-T)...
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[14:26:00] toom: up and atem
[14:26:00] sungrazer: hey guys 'sup?
[14:27:00] sungrazer: got a question: how do I get PAL-BG support in the TV-Format selection of mythtv-setup?
[14:27:00] Dagmar: toom: That looks correct to me
[14:28:00] sungrazer: is there a .conf file I can change?
[14:28:00] toom: mythtv is compiling
[14:28:00] toom: i forgot dvb
[14:28:00] Dagmar: sungrazer: It's actually stored in the database, afaik.
[14:28:00] riksta: gutted :) toom
[14:28:00] Dagmar: sungrazer: You can just run mythtv-setup again
[14:28:00] sungrazer: I did – but it's not there
[14:28:00] Dagmar: toom: What platform are you building on?
[14:28:00] Dagmar: s/platform/distro
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[14:29:00] toom: gentoo
[14:29:00] Dagmar: Ouch
[14:29:00] toom: what
[14:30:00] Dagmar: I was rather hoping you'd say Slackware, because there I could help you eliminate compiling mistakes
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[14:30:00] toom: well
[14:30:00] Dagmar: I've no idea about gentoo's build scripting system
[14:30:00] riksta: gentoo will clear the build directory when you add the dvb use flag unfortunately
[14:30:00] sungrazer: I got SECAM, PAL-NC, PAL-M, PAL-N, NTSC-JP. NTSC, ATSC a
[14:30:00] sungrazer: and PAL
[14:30:00] Juski: vid standard is pretty much immaterial for DVB-T anyway isn't it? the various subdivisions of PAL are irrelevant with MPEG are they not?
[14:30:00] toom: as long as you don't say 'i'm running ubuntu and it all just worked' ..
[14:30:00] Dagmar: sungrazer: You're certain your card supports this PAL-BG format?
[14:31:00] Dagmar: toom: I don't expect ubuntu to "just work" on anything but very generic hardware actually
[14:31:00] Juski: toom: I installed ubuntu & it all just worked
[14:31:00] Dagmar: Juski: You have a point.
[14:31:00] riksta: who cares, that's no fun :)
[14:31:00] Juski: breezy works with my dvb-t tuners no problem
[14:31:00] sungrazer: Dagmar: It's a Hauppage PVR-350, and I got it working and had that selection when using the KnoppMythTv distro
[14:31:00] toom: yes.. a mate told me the same
[14:31:00] Dagmar: It's worth trying just plain PAL and seeing what happens
[14:31:00] riksta: you don't learn anything that way
[14:31:00] toom: when i said 'i'm going to use gentoo', he said.. just a sek
[14:32:00] sungrazer: Dagmar: now when I've used yum install mythtv-suite ... no such luck :D
[14:32:00] Juski: the letter assignments are more to do with broadcasting.. as in sound & video frequency offsets & stuff
[14:32:00] riksta: well, i use gentoo and dvb-t and everything works 100% fine
[14:32:00] Dagmar: Juski has a good point tho
[14:32:00] sungrazer: trying just plain PAL
[14:32:00] Juski: and those don't matter with dvb-t cos they're all in the stream
[14:33:00] Dagmar: ...although the card itself may need to be at least told something close to the broadcast format, unless you're like, getting mpeg4 straight out of a firewire port
[14:33:00] sungrazer: Nope – nothing. :/ that is – funny looking image
[14:35:00] sungrazer: maybe I will have to download and install mythtv from source rather than yum
[14:35:00] Dagmar: sungrazer: But you're sure that your version of the PVR-350 actually supports PAL-BG, right?
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[14:35:00] Dagmar: It's not the most common format
[14:36:00] toom: ah, can't find it but is was something like "you're really trying to maximise pain"..
[14:36:00] sungrazer: Dagmar: yes, I am sure. I had it working with this setting yesterday when I ran off of the knoppmyth distro
[14:36:00] Dagmar: OKay, well, as the last ditch thing you at least know you have a) a working model, and b) your non-working model
[14:37:00] Dagmar: If you can just get the build scripts for both of them and compare, it should boil down to a very short list of possible things
[14:37:00] Dagmar: ...but I would frankly start with the IVTV driver.
[14:37:00] Dagmar: ...because you can compile it in about 20 seconds.
[14:37:00] Dagmar: Over. and. done.
[14:38:00] toom: how can i record something without using mythtv?
[14:38:00] Dagmar: toom: Which card do you have?
[14:39:00] sungrazer: I've got good image when just doing mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0
[14:39:00] toom: DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T Lite
[14:39:00] Dagmar: Hmm... Dunno.
[14:39:00] Dagmar: *Probably* TVTime will work
[14:39:00] Dagmar: TVTime is pretty badassed
[14:39:00] toom: something like cat /dev/elsewhere > /path/foo
[14:40:00] Dagmar: Yeah, once you set the tuner with something you can in theory just start spooling the stream right to disk
[14:40:00] Dagmar: You'll get some funny noise at the end if you end it with ctrl-c, but that's nothing major
[14:40:00] Juski: xine-ui supports dvb-t these days I think
[14:40:00] Dagmar: Ugh. That
[14:40:00] Dagmar: That's somethign I'll have to look into
[14:41:00] toom: do i need to plug the antenna or can i just record noise?
[14:41:00] Dagmar: Dropline has xine (another package I beat the heck out of), but I've no way to test that feature
[14:41:00] Dagmar: toom: You should probably be able to record static
[14:41:00] Juski: toom: have you looked at the ethics gradient site for dvb-t tips & hints?
[14:41:00] Dagmar: Er... wait... dvb-t? That's digital isn't it?
[14:41:00] Dagmar: You'll likely get nothing
[14:41:00] toom: where is it Juski?
[14:41:00] Juski: oops.. got my wires crossed
[14:41:00] Dagmar: I am going to have to chop mythtv-plugins back up into individual pieces for Dropline tho
[14:41:00] toom: yes Dagmar, digital terrestric
[14:42:00] Juski: http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/mythdvb.html
[14:42:00] toom: ok, so i plug the antenna
[14:42:00] Dagmar: toom: yeah, without a signal you likely won't get a peep from the card. Check Juski's URL
[14:42:00] toom: ah that one. yes, i came across that today :)
[14:43:00] Juski: it's very good
[14:43:00] Dagmar: Everything in there is nice and tidy for Dropline, except mythbrowser, which is like a housecat with a three-story ranch dragging behind it in the form of a dependency on KDE.
[14:44:00] Dagmar: At least if I'm lucky what I build will maybe still work with Patrick's KDE binary
[14:44:00] Juski: toom – what've you tried so far?
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[14:45:00] toom: nothing
[14:45:00] toom: i'm reading
[14:45:00] Juski: the big problem I had when I was first trying to set up my dvb-t tuners was getting the kernel modules right
[14:45:00] Dagmar: Juski: Did you get them tangled up with the bttv tuner driver modules?
[14:45:00] toom: i hope the kernel is ok now
[14:45:00] Juski: Dagmar: nope :)
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[14:46:00] Dagmar: Juski: Okay, I guess I can check that off the list then
[14:46:00] Juski: important thing to check.. i2c support
[14:47:00] Juski: that's usually under 'character devices' in menuconfig I think
[14:47:00] toom: trying to find that tzap thing
[14:47:00] riksta: tzap is part of dvb-apps at linuxtv.org
[14:47:00] Juski: try linux-tv.org, toom
[14:47:00] Juski: yeh what riksta said
[14:47:00] toom: yeah, that's where i'm looking right now
[14:48:00] riksta: check out dvb-apps from cvs
[14:49:00] toom: narf, cvs isn't installed..
[14:50:00] Juski: just download a tarball & unpack it
[14:50:00] Juski: it'll be new enough to do what you need to do
[14:50:00] toom: from where? i can't find it
[14:50:00] Juski: http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/linuxtv-dvb-apps-1.1.0.tar.bz2
[14:51:00] Juski: unpack it, then cd into the directory it creates
[14:51:00] toom: ok, i'm blind
[14:51:00] Juski: then do make
[14:51:00] Juski: where in the world are you, toom?
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[14:52:00] toom: australia
[14:52:00] toom: west..
[14:52:00] Juski: so you'll just need to be trying the SD streams first then ;)
[14:53:00] toom: SD?
[14:53:00] Juski: standard definition
[14:55:00] toom: ah, ok
[14:57:00] toom: fine, there is no au-perth, but i think i've seen that somewhere
[14:58:00] riksta: google it
[14:58:00] toom: no luck yet
[14:59:00] toom: there is one in /suse/i586/dvb-1.1.0_CVS20050720–2.i586.rpm
[15:01:00] riksta: http://bjblaster.com/projects/mythtv/files/au-perth
[15:01:00] riksta: damn 404
[15:01:00] toom: hehe
[15:01:00] toom: google cache it
[15:01:00] riksta: http://www.bjblaster.com/projects/mythtv_box/testing.htm copy the settings from there into a file
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[15:03:00] toom: the whole thing?
[15:05:00] riksta: nah look at another file, and put the bits in the right order
[15:07:00] toom: uh..
[15:07:00] Juski: hang on there.. I'll see if I can cobble it together for you
[15:08:00] sungrazer: arghle – back to the knoppmyth distro it is then. sheite.
[15:08:00] toom: thx, it's not really obvious how to make T 226500000 7MHz 2/3 NONE QAM64 8k 1/8 NONE
[15:08:00] toom: out of initial transponder 226500000 1 3 0 3 1 1 0
[15:09:00] riksta: the info is below that part
[15:09:00] Juski: you got it, toom :D
[15:09:00] toom: what?
[15:09:00] Juski: hang on I'll pop it into a pastebin for ya
[15:10:00] toom: yeah :)
[15:14:00] Juski: http://pastebin.ca/28460
[15:14:00] Juski: try that
[15:19:00] toom: omg
[15:19:00] toom: i just found out, why our roof antenna performed so bad
[15:20:00] Dagmar: Pointed at the moon, was it?
[15:20:00] toom: no, the cable went through a window and it obviously ripped off the insulation
[15:21:00] toom: so the ground was connected to the other one
[15:21:00] toom: great
[15:22:00] toom: it sais: ERROR: invalid enum value '7MHZ'
[15:22:00] toom: ERROR: invalid enum value '8K'
[15:22:00] toom: initial transponder 226500000 3 3 3 3 2 1 0
[15:22:00] toom: i"ll change MHZ into Mhz and K into k
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[15:24:00] toom: heaps of failed tunings
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[15:27:00] toom: aha, there is one
[15:27:00] toom: 0x0000 0x0560: pmt_pid 0x0600 Seven Network — 7 Digital (running)
[15:30:00] toom: status 1f | signal ffb9 | snr 9797 | ber 00000d3a | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK
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[15:46:00] JohnP789: Burning a DVD from my mpeg2 NUV files is hard.  :-(
[15:47:00] JohnP789: What's with ffmpeg not recognizing the option "-hq"?
[15:47:00] JohnP789: It's right there in the man page.
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[15:59:00] Juski: hey toom – that's good stuff
[16:00:00] Juski: uncorrectable errors = big fat zero :)
[16:01:00] Juski: you can do a scan from that working mux & should be able to get all the channels I think
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[16:08:00] toom: dvbstream -o -ps -qam 64 -cr 2_3 1537 1538 | mplayer -
[16:08:00] toom: doesn't seem to do anything
[16:09:00] Juski: try tzap instead
[16:09:00] toom: i did
[16:10:00] Juski: yes and with that running, open another terminal session
[16:10:00] Juski: then cat the video device into a file or mplayer
[16:10:00] toom: aha
[16:11:00] Juski: but not /dev/video0 I don't think... use /dev/dvb/adapter0 – but I can't remember how far down the device tree you need to go
[16:12:00] toom: # ls /dev/dvb/adapter0/
[16:12:00] toom: demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0
[16:12:00] Juski: I think it goes /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0
[16:12:00] toom: so i do a cat dvr0 > /tmp/foo ?
[16:12:00] Juski: think so
[16:12:00] Juski: use the full path though
[16:12:00] toom: or cat dvr0 | mplayer -
[16:12:00] Juski: yeh
[16:12:00] toom: k, brb
[16:13:00] toom: same thing
[16:13:00] toom: cache doesn't fill
[16:13:00] Juski: hmmm
[16:13:00] Juski: pop the output of lsmod into a pastebin please toom
[16:14:00] toom: http://pastebin.ca/28464
[16:14:00] toom: cat dvr0 doesn't output anything
[16:16:00] Juski: weird
[16:16:00] toom: same for an other channel
[16:16:00] toom: maybe the reception is too bad?
[16:16:00] Juski: no the signal strength etc look okay
[16:16:00] Juski: and it won't say FE_HAS_LOCK if there was a bad signal
[16:17:00] toom: ok
[16:17:00] Juski: I think I had this problem when I 1st started out
[16:17:00] toom: and now comes the interesting part ..
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[16:18:00] toom: how did you solve it ? :)
[16:18:00] Juski: damned if I can remember
[16:18:00] Juski: I think it was related to the kernel modules
[16:18:00] toom: you can do it!
[16:19:00] toom: i've still got the FB_NVIDIA in the kernel
[16:19:00] Juski: I'm slightly suspicious about the lack of any I2C modules in your lsmod
[16:19:00] toom: ah..
[16:19:00] toom: sec
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[16:20:00] Juski: most tuner cards need I2C to control the tuner & onboard chips but your card might be different
[16:20:00] toom: which one would you like?
[16:20:00] Juski: what've you got?
[16:20:00] toom: is it drivers/i2c/ ?
[16:21:00] Juski: what kind of card is yours again, toom?
[16:21:00] toom: in that case just i2c-sensor and i2c-isa
[16:21:00] toom: its a dvicio fusion dvb-t lite
[16:23:00] toom: i've got i2c support and i2c device interface in the kernel. not as module
[16:23:00] Juski: ahhh right
[16:23:00] Juski: but the dvb stuff as modules...
[16:23:00] Juski: might be best to have everything possibly related as modules
[16:23:00] toom: yeah, i needed to play with it
[16:24:00] toom: i just switched i2c stuff to module
[16:24:00] Juski: every howto I've ever seen has all video tuner related stuff as modules
[16:24:00] dev-: it doesnt matter really
[16:24:00] dev-: module or compiled in. should work either way, unless its module and you didnt load it
[16:24:00] Juski: yeh but it can be a good way of spotting you've missed something
[16:25:00] dev-: true if you're not framiliar with .config hehe
[16:25:00] Juski: in this case though if the i2c stuff was missing it wouldn't be able to tune at all.. unless you just got lucky
[16:25:00] Juski: :/
[16:25:00] toom: my current kernel has I2C I2C_CHARDEV and I2C_ALGOBIT=y
[16:26:00] dev-: that should do it
[16:26:00] toom: next one will have it as module
[16:26:00] dev-: unless you want temperature sensors and crap too :)
[16:26:00] Juski: toom – have you seen this? http://www.users.on.net/~jani/dvico-mythtv-5.html#ss5.2
[16:27:00] toom: seen yes, but forgot to continue reading
[16:27:00] Juski: oh and looky here: http://www.interlink.com.au/rad/au-perth
[16:27:00] toom: i was hoping, that my kernel is ok
[16:27:00] Juski: it's yer perth scan file :)
[16:28:00] Juski: toom – in all probability it is..
[16:28:00] toom: since these guys are all talking about 2.6.11 and .10
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[16:28:00] toom: i built a 2.6.11.8 kernel with some patches. i guess it was the one from 'chris'
[16:28:00] Juski: since you seem to have the right stuff in the device tree ;)
[16:28:00] toom: didn't work either
[16:28:00] toom: but that was before i figured out, that i have to use tuner=42 in my modprobe
[16:29:00] toom: because my card doesn't have the thomson tuner
[16:29:00] Juski: ah
[16:29:00] toom: as it sais everywhere
[16:29:00] Juski: like I said the output of tzap seems to be right
[16:29:00] toom: by the way: Firefox can't find the server at www.interlink.com.au.
[16:30:00] Juski: http://pastebin.com/426690
[16:31:00] toom: it works for you?
[16:31:00] Juski: yep
[16:31:00] toom: weird
[16:31:00] dev-: chris@argos linux $ ping www.interlink.com.au.
[16:31:00] dev-: PING www.interlink.com.au (203.9.111.131) 56(84) bytes of data.
[16:31:00] dev-: prolly somethin with yer resolvers.
[16:34:00] Juski: well it's definitely /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 you wanna be catting.. just tested it here & it works when I'm tzapping
[16:34:00] toom: damn
[16:34:00] Juski: so I'm back to thinking it's driver-related.. but probably something simple you've overlooked
[16:34:00] Juski: this had me tearing me hair out for a couple of days solid
[16:35:00] Juski: and I didn't know about this channel back then ;)
[16:36:00] toom: i'd like to try another tuner, but the thomson isn't in the list
[16:36:00] Juski: I don't think the issue is with tuning
[16:36:00] Juski: have you build the v4l stuff into the kernel too?
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[16:38:00] Juski: I'm thinking that there's not a problem with tuning, but demuxing
[16:38:00] toom: what is it called in the .config?
[16:39:00] Juski: oh jees I dunno about editing .config files.. I've always just used menuconfig
[16:39:00] toom: ok.. it's CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV
[16:40:00] toom: CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=y
[16:40:00] toom: CONFIG_VIDEO_BT848=m
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[16:41:00] Juski: anything about dvb?
[16:41:00] toom: CONFIG_DVB *needs* to be in the kernel
[16:41:00] Juski: why?
[16:41:00] Juski: I've got it as a module here
[16:41:00] toom: CONFIG_DVB_CORE is a module
[16:41:00] Juski: oh yeah
[16:41:00] Juski: CONFIG_DVB=y here too
[16:44:00] toom: hmmm
[16:44:00] toom: maybe i don't have the tuner i made it to use
[16:45:00] toom: Philips Tuner identification: (e.g. FM1216MF)
[16:45:00] toom: 1236: NTSC
[16:45:00] Juski: what does it say on the can?
[16:45:00] toom: tuner=42 – Philips 1236D ATSC/NTSC daul in
[16:45:00] toom: but we have PAL here
[16:45:00] Juski: that sounds wrong
[16:46:00] Juski: what's marked on the card?
[16:46:00] toom: the manual says Thomson7579 tuner
[16:46:00] toom: but
[16:46:00] toom: http://www.bttv-gallery.de/ sais: this is a "Rev: 1.1" card, and it has a Philips 1236D ATSC/NTSC tuner, rather than the Thomson which seems to be assumed by Chris Pascoe's driver
[16:47:00] Juski: don't believe everything you see on the internet ;)
[16:47:00] toom: and lspci gives: 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
[16:47:00] Juski: yes, but what does it actually say on the card?
[16:48:00] toom: ok, so which tuner should i try? the Thomson 7579 is not in the list
[16:48:00] toom: i'll try to have a look at the card
[16:48:00] Juski: with my driver I didnt have to tell any modules about the tuner
[16:48:00] Juski: this might be worth asking in #v4l to see if anyone knows
[16:49:00] toom: need to shutdown. just a sek
[16:50:00] toom: without tuner= it came up with tuner=-1
[16:50:00] Juski: could you post the output of dmesg when you load the modules?
[16:53:00] toom: ok.. there is neither thomson nor philips written on any chip
[16:53:00] Juski: thinking more of markings on the metal can
[16:53:00] toom: dtt 7579
[16:54:00] toom: thomson
[16:54:00] Juski: there ya go
[16:54:00] toom: brb
[16:55:00] toom: booting
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[16:56:00] cool: hi all
[16:57:00] Juski: hi, cool
[16:57:00] cool: Is it possible to have mythtv run without X
[16:57:00] cool: i've just tried freevo, did'nt work for me.....
[16:57:00] toom: hm
[16:57:00] Juski: possible, yes – but whether or not you'd be able to live with its limitations is something else
[16:57:00] toom: it must have stored tuner=42 somewhere
[16:58:00] Juski: wassup, toom?
[16:58:00] toom: http://pastebin.com/426715
[16:58:00] cool: mplayer runs -vo=vesa just fine, But freevo ui refuses to start without X
[16:59:00] cool: now, my card an ati has its tv out garbled up, in X , so if I use vesa there and run anything on top of that, it's slow.....
[17:00:00] Juski: eew ati...
[17:00:00] cool: now, then, can I use mythtv, on similar lines
[17:00:00] cool: yea eew ati
[17:00:00] cool: :(
[17:00:00] Juski: toom.. I'm a bit confuzzled about this tuner=42 business
[17:01:00] cool: i mean , vo=vesa in mplayer is acceptable , I need osd-menu now
[17:01:00] Juski: have you changed the modprobe.conf or whatever it was which set tuner=42 ?
[17:02:00] toom: me too
[17:02:00] Juski: cool: IMHO you need to spend a little bit of money & get a cheap nvidia card. but that's just me. I went right off ATI a long time ago
[17:02:00] toom: jup, it's in modprobe.conf
[17:03:00] toom: i'm just confused
[17:03:00] Juski: toom: try taking it out... though I'm starting to feel this is one for #v4l to see if they know the score
[17:04:00] cool: juski:I'd do just that, lemme find some decent employment, and save up some money....
[17:04:00] toom: this bttv module. is that right? because the manual sais, the card has a cx23881 chip
[17:04:00] cool: till then..... I need to watch movies :)
[17:04:00] toom: shouldn't i load a cx.... module instead?
[17:05:00] toom: now, it's: http://pastebin.com/426721
[17:06:00] cool: well......
[17:09:00] Juski: toom: do you still have all the dvb device tree?
[17:10:00] toom: eh?
[17:10:00] Juski: as in /dev/dvb/adapter0 & all that
[17:10:00] toom: no, it's gone now
[17:11:00] Juski: and cool: if your ATI TV out if foo'ed.. that more of a thing to check up on the Gatos drivers pages etc ;)
[17:11:00] toom: but i didn't load the dvb module yet
[17:11:00] Juski: ah right
[17:11:00] Juski: if you load the dvb module I think it should pull everything in properly
[17:12:00] toom: modprobe -v dvb-bt8xx
[17:12:00] toom: result see here: http://pastebin.com/426724
[17:12:00] Juski: toom : looks ok to me
[17:13:00] Juski: what about dmesg?
[17:13:00] toom: that is the dmesg in the pastbin
[17:13:00] toom: after modprobe dvb-... the device tree is back
[17:14:00] Juski: okeee
[17:14:00] Juski: try the tzap stuff again then
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[17:16:00] toom: quite empty
[17:17:00] Juski: damn...
[17:18:00] Juski: well sorry & all that but that's all I have time for.. good luck with it, and try in #v4l if you don't have any luck
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[19:19:00] JeffH_: Is there anyway to have MythTV play ACC files?
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[19:24:00] MrFluffy: Are there any current issues with using ratpoison as the wm for mythtv?
[19:24:00] MrFluffy: I can find only old ones in my searches...
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[19:27:00] MrFluffy: KDE is killing my xbox frontend and Ive already learnt far more about twmrc that I want to already tonight :)...
[19:29:00] JeffH_: Can MythTV play music files I've downloaded from iTunes?
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[19:33:00] kahuna_: JeffH_: I can play music that I've imported from CD in AAC format.
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[19:36:00] JeffH_: kahuna: what about something you've downloaded from iTunes?
[19:36:00] kahuna_: Haven't tried.
[19:36:00] Tristan77x: hello, can anybody confirm current svn snapshot tagged 7860 doesnt show live-tv over pvr-350?
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[19:45:00] kahuna_: I have a PVR-150 and the sound goes out after a few minutes. The only way to get it working again is to turn off the computer and unplug it for a bit, then turn it back on. ivtvctl indicates that audio is OK, but it's not in myth of mplayer /dev/video0
[19:45:00] kahuna_: s/of/or there.
[19:46:00] kahuna_: ivtv-0.4.0
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[19:48:00] toom: damn DVico
[19:48:00] toom: i hate them
[19:48:00] toom: it's 4am. i'm going to bed
[19:49:00] toom: and all i have is a thumb with a cut in it from a fan..
[19:49:00] kahuna_: never mind. Looks like I have a msp3400 module in my lib/modules.
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[19:51:00] toom: so?
[19:51:00] toom: i've got two of them
[19:51:00] toom: /lib/modules/2.6.13-gentoo-r5/kernel/drivers/media/video/msp3400.ko
[19:51:00] toom: /lib/modules/2.6.14.2/kernel/drivers/media/video/msp3400.ko
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[19:52:00] abarbaccia: hey all – i want to know how difficult it would be to modify mythmusic
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[19:52:00] abarbaccia: so that you can exit the player and still have it playing
[19:53:00] abarbaccia: so for example – if you have the music player playing, you could put on a slideshow, or liveTV with no audio
[19:55:00] kahuna_: well, portage tells me top get rid of them.
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[20:14:00] eidolon: yay! new hard drive installed.
[20:14:00] eidolon: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
[20:14:00] eidolon: /dev/hdb1 244150304 5754288 226186216 3% /myth
[20:14:00] eidolon: mooohahahahhaa.
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[20:20:00] Gumby: I've just compiled mythtv and when I start mythbackend I get the following....
[20:20:00] Gumby: 2005-11–12 12:18:33.834 Unable to connect to database!
[20:20:00] Gumby: 2005-11–12 12:18:33.837 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[20:20:00] Gumby: 2005-11–12 12:18:33.841 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[20:21:00] Gumby: I can connect to the db using mysql -umythtv -p
[20:21:00] Gumby: and I can select the mythconveg db by doing >use mythconverg;
[20:21:00] Gumby: so the db is there and mysql is running. Anyone have any ideas?
[20:23:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: have you edit .mythtv/mysql.txt to have correct values for db connection in there?
[20:23:00] fman: any ideas how I can rebuild the plugin database
[20:23:00] fman: I had an error when upgrading mythgame that I already had a romdb table, so I blew the table away but now the autoupdate for the database dosn't run when I restart
[20:26:00] Gumby: Tristan77x: I am pretty sure the values are correct etc. IP is correct, DB name, username and passwd are corect
[20:26:00] GreyFoxx: fman: go into mysql and do the following : select * from settings where value = "GameDBSchemaVer";
[20:27:00] GreyFoxx: tell me what the data column returns
[20:27:00] Gumby: the only thing I am not 100% sure about is DBType=QMYSQL3
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[20:27:00] fman: 1011
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[20:28:00] Tristan77x: there is a table which has the version field, the programs check their version against this field and do an update if the stored value is lower than the one from plugin
[20:28:00] Gumby: which plugin?
[20:28:00] GreyFoxx: fman: Hrm, ok.
[20:28:00] fman: yep, I gathered that when I noted it originally checking
[20:29:00] fman: so, it looks like it checks the field, and updates it even if there is an error
[20:29:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: you also have the qt threaded mysql libs set up there?
[20:29:00] fman: so, can I change this version number to get it to do another update?
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[20:29:00] GreyFoxx: fman: It shouldn't be continuing after an update which is what's weird
[20:30:00] GreyFoxx: err after an error I mean
[20:30:00] fman: ok
[20:30:00] GreyFoxx: makes me wonder if the other updates happened after the create romdb
[20:30:00] fman: so is 1011 the latest then? this was compiled 1 hour ago
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[20:30:00] GreyFoxx: yes it is
[20:30:00] GreyFoxx: do a "describe gamemetadata;" and post it to pastebin.ca
[20:31:00] fman: http://pastebin.ca/28484
[20:31:00] Gumby: Tristan77x: hrmmmm
[20:32:00] Gumby: I seem to have ii libqt3c102-mt 3.3.4–3 and ii libqt3-mt-dev 3.3.4–3
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: fman: ok, all you need to do is recreate the romdb table
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: the other updates happened
[20:32:00] fman: ok
[20:32:00] Gumby: anyone here use debian and compile from source?
[20:32:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: me
[20:32:00] fman: just load the sql in as instructed in the file
[20:32:00] Gumby: wondering which qt libs they have
[20:33:00] Gumby: Tristan77x: which qt libs do you have?
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: fman: hold on a sec
[20:33:00] Gumby: can you query me the output of dpkg -l *qt3*
[20:33:00] fman: ok
[20:33:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: Version: 3:3.3.4–3 libqt3c102-mt-mysql
[20:33:00] Servo888: Can you run an application with out a window manager and only X?
[20:33:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: this running here without probs
[20:35:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: i think you're missing this lib
[20:35:00] Gumby: Tristan77x: well, I was running here yesterday great. I then compiled my own kernel to fix some ati remote issues and now I have these problems. I thought it was because I had messed with the qt libs so I then recompiled. And after compilation I get the same problems
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[20:35:00] GreyFoxx: fman: You will need to uncomment the lines in that sql file that create the table
[20:36:00] fman: ok
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[20:36:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: i dont think it has something todo with kernel change
[20:36:00] fman: thats what I did yesteday, before I realised i needed a newer mythgame
[20:36:00] fman: hence the problem I'm now in
[20:36:00] Gumby: Tristan77x: me neither, just giving a brief background.  :) Cany hurt
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: fman: heh
[20:37:00] Gumby: Tristan77x: which libqt dev package do you have installed?
[20:37:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: hehe, thats allright, where have you been messing with qt?
[20:37:00] Gumby: where?
[20:37:00] Gumby: or why?
[20:37:00] Gumby: Icant even remember why
[20:37:00] Gumby: yesterday was kind of a blurr
[20:38:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: ->query, thats what i have here set up
[20:38:00] Gumby: Tristan77x: sorry?
[20:38:00] Tristan77x: thats stable/sarge normal releases
[20:39:00] Gumby: Tristan77x: same. I had added some testing sources
[20:39:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: i mean i've post the list of qt libs concerning my setup
[20:39:00] Gumby: ah
[20:39:00] Gumby: where, I do not see them
[20:39:00] Gumby: oh, you arent regged are you
[20:40:00] Gumby: one sec.
[20:40:00] fman: greyfoxx: ok loading romdb back in
[20:40:00] fman: hopefully game listings show up now
[20:41:00] Gumby: I forget how to let a non registered user message you
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[20:41:00] Gumby: Tristan77x: query it to gumby2 :)
[20:42:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: done, got anything?
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[20:42:00] eido: hey, anyone tried the XMame as confiured with knoppmyth? Does it work?  :)
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[20:43:00] fman: nope
[20:43:00] eido: nope.. which?
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[20:44:00] fman: seems that knoppmyth uses a svn build of the mythgame plugin that wasn't quite finished when it was compiled – so missing things like the new romdb
[20:44:00] fman: greyfoxx will correct me if I'm wrong though
[20:44:00] fman: :)
[20:44:00] eido: oh ick.  :(
[20:44:00] eido: is it fixable without a rebuild?
[20:44:00] eido: i'm edgy about switching from the knoppmyth distribution i'm using to svn-builds.
[20:45:00] eido: potential for breakage is high.
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: well you are partially right. Knoppmyth put out a version that contained the development myth source tree
[20:45:00] Gumby2: gah, nope
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: it was a mistake
[20:45:00] eido: :(
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[20:45:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: http://pastebin.ca/28486
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: I was told that they were going to put out another one with the proper version but I don't know if they have or not
[20:46:00] Gumby: Tristan77x: awesome thx
[20:46:00] Tristan77x: yw
[20:46:00] Gumby: libqt3c102-mt-mysq
[20:46:00] Gumby: maybe that one
[20:46:00] Gumby: I thought i had reinstalled that already
[20:46:00] Gumby: hrm
[20:46:00] eidolon: hm. now i'm not sure whate version i built from :(
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[20:47:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: they're all from stable release, those am using
[20:47:00] fman: I just rebuild all from scratch
[20:47:00] eidolon: i tossed the iso... it's about a month old.
[20:47:00] ka6s: Hi folks – trying to get Myth working – Have fresh FC4 install, PVR350, Nvideo 5200 card. When I goto WatchTV get 1 sec of audio and no video and the system hangs. Any suggestions?
[20:47:00] Gumby: Tristan77x: yeah, I can see that :)
[20:47:00] Gumby: well, no.. I cant
[20:47:00] Gumby: but it does seem that way
[20:48:00] fman: not to hard, however knoppmyth looks for the binaries in /usr/bin and the make install process drops them in /usr/local/bin
[20:48:00] Gumby: seems silly to me that... libqt3c102-mt is a valid package but libqt3c102-mt-dev isnt and one has to use libqt3-mt-dev
[20:48:00] eidolon: fman: *nod*
[20:49:00] eidolon: the game stuff is really lower priority than getting live tv, recordings, and audio stuff working (which are all working now)
[20:49:00] eidolon: but i sure would like to play my roms :)
[20:50:00] fman: I've got TV working, however if I change channels on the decoder I get bad pixelisation
[20:50:00] eidolon: ick
[20:50:00] fman: enough to make it unwatchable
[20:50:00] eidolon: i have to run, bbl.
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[20:50:00] fman: so, if anyone has any ideas
[20:50:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: Gumby just some weird naming
[20:50:00] Gumby: ok, Ive got your identical packages now
[20:50:00] fman: looks like the signal gets unstable from the decoder, does the same from composite out or tuner
[20:51:00] Gumby: woohooo!!
[20:51:00] Gumby: I think all along I was missing the libqt3 mysql package. But I could have sworn I installed it last night
[20:51:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: i guess that means it's working?
[20:52:00] Gumby: yeppers
[20:52:00] Gumby: thank you
[20:52:00] Tristan77x: Gumby: hehe, yw
[20:52:00] Gumby: now I can hopefully go and spend some time with the gf
[20:52:00] Gumby: before she chops my head off
[20:52:00] Tristan77x: *grin* for me it's the opposite
[20:53:00] Tristan77x: if the tv isn't working, my head's off
[20:53:00] Gumby: well, I dont live with her. hehe
[20:53:00] Tristan77x: lucky you ;)
[20:54:00] ivor: jeez it's only tv. I've broken tv for days on end. :)
[20:54:00] ka6s: I saw that the current SVN doesn't have WatchTV wired in – would this be true of a binary pulled down in the last week?
[20:54:00] Tristan77x: ka6s: for the same reason am recompiling now :D current svn has live-tv off
[20:54:00] Chutt: if it were built from svn.
[20:55:00] Chutt: most binaries aren't.
[20:55:00] ka6s: No – pulled it down via yum last week following the FC4 howto.
[20:55:00] Tristan77x: Chutt: you know which version started with the live-tv lock?
[20:56:00] Chutt: offhand? no.
[20:56:00] Chutt: if you look at bug #340, though, it's easy to find.
[20:56:00] GiantPickle_: Hello all. I've got a db connection issue as well, I'm not sure if it is similar to Gumby's or different. I have a knoppmyth setup on my server. I'm trying to connnect to it from a frontend (both from knoppmyth cd, and from a frontend install on ubuntu) and my frontend is trying to connect to localhost, not the ip specificed in the mysql.txt.... any thoughts?
[20:57:00] ka6s: I wonder if my problem is the Input Connections. I have a PVR350 – so I chose the Tuner0 as my input – is this the right choice?
[20:59:00] Gumby: GiantPickle_: which user are you running mythtv as? check their hope directory for a ,mythtv/mysql.txt
[20:59:00] Gumby: GiantPickle_: and make sure the backends my.cnf has mysql listening on the public IP
[21:00:00] ka6s: Anyone on channel using the PVR 350 that can tell me how they've configured their Input Connections?
[21:02:00] GiantPickle_: Gumby: I'm running as mythtv on the server, as a regular user on the frontendd in ubuntu, and as whatever knoppmyth sets up the frontend user as when you run frontend from the cd
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[21:02:00] GiantPickle_: I've checked all the .mythtv/mysql.txt files on my system in ubuntu
[21:02:00] fman: greyfoxx: cool, so the romdb works now, however most games show up under unknownmame
[21:02:00] GiantPickle_: Gumby: I'll check the my.cnf on the server...
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: Which will happen if the CRC of the rom doesn't match an entry in the database
[21:03:00] Gumby: GiantPickle_: how do you know its connecting to 127.0.0.1?
[21:03:00] fman: hmm
[21:03:00] fman: occurs for hundreds of games
[21:03:00] fman: so, werid if the crc is out on all of them
[21:03:00] fman: I can copy it all over again
[21:03:00] fman: and rescan
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: Copy what ?
[21:03:00] fman: the roms
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: I would be suprised if they were all messed up
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[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: What kind of games ?
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: mame ?
[21:04:00] fman: mame
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: all of the mame CRC's game directly from the xmame list
[21:04:00] GiantPickle_: Gumby: it tells me trying to connect to localhost on port 6543 (I think), and that it times out
[21:04:00] fman: xmame list?
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: yes, mame have their own list of games/crc/misc info
[21:05:00] fman: hmm
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: and that was the basis of the mame portion of the romdb info
[21:05:00] fman: ok, I have no games/crc
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: huh ? What do you mean
[21:05:00] Gumby: does anyone know which mysql table holds the info on which shows are to be recorded/
[21:06:00] fman: where is the crc file stored?
[21:06:00] GreyFoxx: what crc file?
[21:06:00] fman: if I look in /myth/games I don't see any crc information
[21:06:00] Gumby: gan, nm. I am looking at the wrong db. I should be able to figure it out
[21:06:00] GreyFoxx: fman: That crc value is calculated during a gamescan
[21:06:00] fman: you said above – "mame have their own list of games/crc/misc info"
[21:07:00] GiantPickle_: Gumby: the my.cnf file only mentions port 3306... is that normal? it is obviously different than the one my frontend is trying to connect to
[21:07:00] GreyFoxx: ok, you misunderstand me. the people who make xmame have their own internal list which is what I used to create the mame romdb info"
[21:07:00] fman: ok
[21:07:00] GreyFoxx: So either your games are just plain old not in that list
[21:07:00] GreyFoxx: or they are doing something weird to calculate the crc value
[21:08:00] fman: they all worked with the older lookup ini file
[21:08:00] GreyFoxx: which I would have to account for in the game scan
[21:08:00] GreyFoxx: the old way was based strictly on the game name which does not apply anymore
[21:08:00] fman: ok
[21:09:00] GreyFoxx: I've considered putting that in but it will GREATLY slow down a scan for those with larger collections
[21:09:00] fman: well, you normally only scan once for a large collection
[21:09:00] fman: I have thousands of games
[21:09:00] GreyFoxx: You would be suprised :)
[21:09:00] fman: :)
[21:10:00] fman: and only a handful show up
[21:10:00] ** GreyFoxx has 24k, though only a couple are mame **
[21:10:00] Gumby: GiantPickle_: there should be a "bindaddress" line in the my.cnf
[21:11:00] fman: hmm, so how are we going to get all these recognised ?
[21:11:00] GreyFoxx: You wont until I look at the xmame code to see if they are doing anything different when calculating the crc value :)
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[21:12:00] fman: ok
[21:12:00] fman: bugger
[21:12:00] GiantPickle_: Gumby: I can't see that line on a quick look through... thanks though... I'll have a closer look in a bit... gotta fly for now... thanks again
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[21:13:00] Tristan77x: GiantPickle_: anything about skip-networking in the file
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[21:23:00] Tristan77x: ah, starting with r7739 things got broken :)
[21:25:00] fman: back soon
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[21:27:00] Tristan77x: btw, is there any plan when the 0.19 will be released?
[21:31:00] Aneurysm9: has anyone using recent svn revisions notice trouble rewinding?
[21:32:00] Aneurysm9: when I try to rewind a recording or live tv it plays forward at about half-speed while indicating that it's rewinding at whatever speed I select
[21:32:00] Aneurysm9: jumping through recordings works fine, however
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[21:55:00] slide: Is there anyway to tell myth to only record NEW episodes of a certain show?
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[22:09:00] Gumby: gah. this is driving me nuts. one thing works then the next time I try it, its partially broken.
[22:14:00] Gumby: livetv with my ivtv card is now stuttering like crazy also
[22:15:00] EnterUserName: which one do you have gumby
[22:16:00] Gumby: pvr250
[22:16:00] EnterUserName: oh
[22:16:00] EnterUserName: i have a win tv pv150
[22:16:00] EnterUserName: and i have a similiar problem
[22:16:00] EnterUserName: its not too bad with deinterlacing
[22:16:00] EnterUserName: but even when i record to a dvd
[22:16:00] EnterUserName: its splotchy
[22:16:00] EnterUserName: occasionally
[22:17:00] EnterUserName: best thing to try is deinterlacing varios versions to see which one is best on your system
[22:17:00] Gumby: I have no idea why this is.
[22:17:00] Gumby: it worked fine before
[22:17:00] EnterUserName: maybe cuz the new firmware sucks
[22:17:00] ** EnterUserName ponders **
[22:17:00] Gumby: I'm using the same firmware as always
[22:17:00] Gumby: he
[22:17:00] EnterUserName: oh
[22:19:00] slide: wow for some reason it is now taking an hour to rip an audio cd!
[22:24:00] Gumby: EnterUserName: its not ivtv, cat /dev/video0 >ivtv.mpg creates a brilliant stream :)
[22:24:00] Gumby: its mythtv :(
[22:25:00] EnterUserName: hmm
[22:26:00] Gumby: its either myth or the hard drive usage
[22:27:00] EnterUserName: well i know its not myth on my end
[22:27:00] EnterUserName: cuz windows does the same thing
[22:27:00] Gumby: VIDIOCSYNC: Input/output error
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[22:52:00] Gumby: ok, here goes my fourth compile of mythtv in 2 days
[22:52:00] Gumby: hehe
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[22:56:00] Gumby: does anyone here know of any mythtv deb's available other than the ones @ http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu?
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[22:57:00] Gumby: the debs are broken in sarge. some requite libqt3-mt and others require libqt3c102-mt
[22:57:00] Gumby: and of course those two packages conflict
[22:57:00] jasta: Gumby: yeah, i struggled w/ this too.
[22:57:00] jasta: im planning on replacing them.
[22:57:00] FuDing: can anyone here help me finish up my wireless install in knoppmyth?
[22:57:00] jasta: for debian testing and unstable.
[22:57:00] jasta: i just built the stupid thing from source.
[22:58:00] EnterUserName: i guess compiling from scratch is the best method then :p
[22:58:00] FuDing: I finally got the card recognized and in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:58:00] FuDing: and it's up
[22:58:00] FuDing: but it won't connect to the router which now has WEP and MAC Filtering turned off
[22:58:00] Gumby: jasta: I am doing that. hehe, but I have messed something up
[22:58:00] jasta: i got it working fine on a debian unstable box.
[22:59:00] Gumby: FuDing: paste the output of iwconfig XXX where XXX = your interface
[22:59:00] bronson_: I thought that I read somwhere that MythTV now supports mouse navigation.
[22:59:00] bronson_: Now I can't found that.
[22:59:00] FuDing: hang on
[22:59:00] Gumby: jasta: yeah, this box is my fileserver... unwilling to go unstable
[22:59:00] bronson_: I've got mouse visiblity on, but I can't manage to select anything.
[22:59:00] Gumby: especially while running LVM
[22:59:00] Gumby: hehe
[22:59:00] FuDing: I'll have to reattach rj-45 so I can ssh and then paste
[22:59:00] jasta: Gumby: i'm doing it on a testing box right now too.
[22:59:00] bronson_: Does mouse nav actually work?
[22:59:00] Gumby: FuDing: it shouldnt be much
[23:00:00] FuDing: its not
[23:00:00] Gumby: just the first two lines
[23:00:00] FuDing: but I dont feel like typing it
[23:00:00] Gumby: lol, ok
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[23:02:00] immolo: hey as anyone noticed mythvideo seems to crash when you have quite a few videos to scan for?
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[23:03:00] immolo: I was wondering if this was a mysql problem or mythvideo?
[23:04:00] Gumby: probably a connection problem
[23:04:00] Gumby: check the logs
[23:04:00] Gumby: both mysql and mythtv
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[23:05:00] Gumby: anyone have a guestimate on how long it takes mythtv to compile on a athlon 2500+?
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[23:05:00] immolo: Gumby- if I cut the number of videos it has to scan for it works fire
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[23:06:00] Gumby: immolo: which is why its probably a connection error
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[23:06:00] immolo: didn't take my 2000+ much more then 30mins
[23:06:00] Gumby: one of mythtv or mysql is probably being overwhelmed (sorry for a lack of a better word)
[23:06:00] Gumby: immolo: or, it could be a bad recording
[23:06:00] Gumby: but I dont think that'd be the case
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[23:07:00] immolo: well I'll try a few theories and see what happens, thanks for the help
[23:08:00] Gumby: I hope this time my compile goes smooth and the video playback is good also
[23:08:00] Gumby: otherwise I have no clue what to do
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[23:10:00] djperegrine: my myth box is so pimped out
[23:10:00] djperegrine: I can't think of anything to do to it :P
[23:11:00] djperegrine: the only problem is its really loud
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[23:13:00] FuDing: sorry gumby, got sidetracked
[23:13:00] FuDing: flood coming hope I dont get kicked
[23:13:00] FuDing: eth1 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"A330"
[23:13:00] FuDing: Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point: 00:12:17:1D:11:7F
[23:13:00] FuDing: Bit Rate:11 Mb/s Tx-Power:100 Sensitivity=10/0
[23:13:00] FuDing: RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
[23:13:00] FuDing: Encryption key:off
[23:13:00] FuDing: Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0
[23:13:00] FuDing: Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
[23:13:00] FuDing: Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
[23:13:00] jasta: i need to go figure out why mythvideo is broken
[23:14:00] adante__: when i go to watch tv, it launches 2 mythfrontend processes – one of them is nice=0, the other nice=-17 .. yet it's the 0 process that is taking up most of the cpu, is this normal?
[23:14:00] adante__: i ask because when i try to watch tv it's jerky/stalling at the moment
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[23:15:00] FuDing: how fast is your machine and what kind of tv card
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[23:33:00] Gumby: fudding, looks good from here
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[23:33:00] Gumby: sorry that took so long
[23:33:00] Gumby: heh
[23:33:00] Gumby: was out getting a slurpee
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[23:34:00] Gumby: does anyone know why this error message occours in mythbackend log....
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[23:34:00] Gumby: QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket
[23:34:00] Gumby: Failed to bind port: 6543
[23:34:00] Quan: anyone using an xbox for front-end?
[23:34:00] Gumby: mythbackend still seems to run without it
[23:34:00] Gumby: and mysql.log shows the connection
[23:38:00] FuDing: yea it looks good except for signal strength
[23:38:00] FuDing: 0, 0, 0
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[23:38:00] FuDing: :P
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[23:41:00] FuDing: oh almost forgot
[23:41:00] FuDing: cant ping the wireless card IP
[23:42:00] Gumby: does iwlist eth scan show the AP?
[23:42:00] Gumby: iwlist eth1 scan
[23:42:00] FuDing: shows 2
[23:43:00] FuDing: but the mac addy is correct in iwconfig
[23:43:00] FuDing: for the ap
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[23:43:00] FuDing: wtf
[23:43:00] FuDing: the wireless card has no ip now
[23:44:00] Gumby: lol
[23:44:00] Gumby: probably why you cant ping it :P
[23:44:00] Gumby: link quality still shouldnt be 0 though
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[23:45:00] FuDing: exactly
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[23:56:00] Gumby: hrm.. so get this... I have a master backend and a slave backend. On the master I have a pvr250, and an ati (bttv), on the slave I have a wintv-go (bttv). When watching livetv using the slaves card, playback is good. When watching tv on the master, the playback is jittery and I get " VIDIOCSYNC: Input/output error" in the backends log.
[23:56:00] Gumby: anyone have any ideas?
[23:56:00] FuDing: swap vid cards between boxes ;)
[23:57:00] Gumby: its not the vid cards
[23:57:00] Gumby: heh
[23:57:00] FuDing: how do you know until you swap them
[23:57:00] Gumby: I can also cat /dev/video0 > ivtv.mpg and cat /dev/video1 > bttv.mpg and the streams playback just fine
[23:58:00] Gumby: FuDing: because these cards have both worked fabulously before in the same box with the same video card
[23:58:00] Chutt: uh
[23:58:00] Chutt: you can't cat a bttv card to a .mpg file
[23:58:00] Gumby: Chutt: you can cat it to whatever you want.
[23:58:00] GiantPickle_: Do I have to log in as user mythtv if I'm just running a front end that will be connecting to a backend on a different machine?
[23:58:00] Chutt: no, you can't
[23:58:00] Chutt: it doesn't produce mpg
[23:58:00] Gumby: just cause it says mpg doesnt mean its an mpg
[23:58:00] Chutt: it's flat out impossible to cat it to anything.
[23:58:00] Gumby: I coyld cat it to sql
[23:59:00] Chutt: you can't read from the device like that, even.
[23:59:00] Chutt: it won't produce frames.
[23:59:00] Gumby: ok, well... maybe you are correct. This was late last night... tv time does work with the card without problems

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