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Tuesday, November 8th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] dzentoo: so, I'm logging, and I will read the logs later
[00:00:00] dzentoo: thanks, pookSter for your help
[00:01:00] bagpuss_thecat: great, svn trunk version fails to build
[00:01:00] pookSter: heh, more like a chat :) than help
[00:02:00] Chutt: trunk builds fine.
[00:03:00] cosmo__: man, just when I want to play half life, my win box starts recording jeopardy for my GF, thats it, time to buy a mythbox
[00:03:00] dzentoo: a little backbone :)
[00:03:00] bagpuss_thecat: Chutt: hmmm, may be a qt4 error
[00:04:00] Chutt: uh
[00:05:00] Chutt: you can't use qt4 for this.
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[00:05:00] bagpuss_thecat: sorry, libqt4
[00:05:00] Chutt: i fail to see how that is different.
[00:06:00] ** xris wonders wtf is up with ubuntu not building mod_env **
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[00:07:00] bagpuss_thecat: Chutt: I'm not a programmer, but I'll take out all my qt4 stuff and use qt3 instead then
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[00:08:00] Chutt: if you're not a programmer, why are you ignoring the version requirements, then?
[00:08:00] Chutt: hell, it's even in the docs:
[00:08:00] Chutt: NOTE: Qt v3.1 or higher, but less than Qt v4.0, is required.
[00:09:00] bagpuss_thecat: because I got fed up working around stupid SQL bugs in the frontend, and decided to give trunk a shot
[00:09:00] Chutt: yeah, that's got absolutely nothing to do with what i asked.
[00:10:00] bagpuss_thecat: and I didn't rtfw cos I cba
[00:10:00] bagpuss_thecat: s/rtfw/rtfwp/
[00:10:00] Chutt: and there haven't been any 'stupid SQL bugs' fixed in trunk
[00:10:00] Chutt: since i'm completely unaware there were any in the last release.
[00:10:00] mstanisl: i didn't know of any SQL bugs to begin with — what "bug" are you seeing?
[00:12:00] ** bagpuss_thecat is tired and cranky, sorry **
[00:12:00] bagpuss_thecat: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/154
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[00:13:00] Chutt: that was a dvb bug, not a sql bug.
[00:14:00] Chutt: of course, if you're having problems because of that, current trunk won't help.
[00:14:00] Chutt: since that would only happen during live-tv, and live-tv's completely disabled in trunk.
[00:16:00] clintar_: what if you checkout right before they disabled live-tv
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[00:16:00] clintar_: -r 7738
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[00:19:00] bagpuss_thecat: Chutt: aah, I think it's time for bed in that case  :-)
[00:19:00] bagpuss_thecat: clintar_: I'll give it a shot later
[00:20:00] bagpuss_thecat: my main objective is to get livetv working, though the info on ticket 154 didn't help solve it
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[00:25:00] FunkyELF: hey guys, since you can only have one place where mythvideo will look for videos, I made a directory /usr/share/videos and in there I created symbolic links to my windows shares
[00:26:00] FunkyELF: it seems like the thing froze then I ran top and saw that mysqld and smbd and mythfrontend were goin on....
[00:26:00] FunkyELF: is there a way to get it so it won't search that entire directory?
[00:27:00] FunkyELF: ...since I have my entire windows drive shared since I have videos in more than one place on there, I didn't want it to search my whole windows drive
[00:27:00] bill2or3: cant you share just one folder?
[00:27:00] dzentoo: why do you use a symbolic link
[00:28:00] FunkyELF: dzentoo, because I have room-mates with shares on their windows machines and I want to access all of them and mythvideo only looks at one directory. So in that directory, I put symbolic links to all of the computers
[00:28:00] dzentoo: you can create another share, like /mnt/public
[00:28:00] FunkyELF: bill2or3, what do you mean by share just one folder? I have more than one computer that I want there anyway
[00:29:00] dzentoo: with only read permissions ?
[00:29:00] bill2or3: I mean dont mount the entire drive on your mythtv box, just mount the folder with the videos.
[00:29:00] FunkyELF: and what will /mnt/public point to?
[00:29:00] FunkyELF: I have /mnt/eric /mnt/dan /mnt/alex for the three windows computers on the network
[00:30:00] bill2or3: and each has video?
[00:30:00] Chutt: don't mount the entire drive, that's just dumb.
[00:30:00] clintar_: tell them to organize the videos into a folder
[00:30:00] dzentoo: FunkyELF: just a share, with per exemple 100 Gb.
[00:30:00] mstanisl: why not /mnt/piracy/{eric, dan, alex}
[00:30:00] clintar_: and share that
[00:30:00] mstanisl: and then point to /mnt/piracy :P
[00:30:00] FunkyELF: I used to run xbox media center before my xbox got messed up. It would just browse the samba share and it was really nice. This thing wants to make a database out of everything. I just want to browse it like a filesystem and play the videos I choose
[00:30:00] dzentoo: and then every user mount it
[00:31:00] clintar_: there's an option in settings to show the filesystem
[00:31:00] clintar_: but i think it still wants to go through everything
[00:31:00] ** FunkyELF likes the idea of /mnt/piracy **
[00:33:00] FunkyELF: well...the thing is..from experience with xbox media center. We'll be sitting there out by the TV and people will be over and someone will say...hey did you see that video of such and such. Then Dan will say, yeah, it's on my desktop....or yeah, it's in D:\stuff\torrents\ or yeah, it's in d:\stuff\videos
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[00:33:00] clintar_: fix your xbox
[00:33:00] clintar_: less grief
[00:33:00] mstanisl: maybe they will do smart folders in xbox 1080
[00:34:00] FunkyELF: right now I need to fix my windows machine. I shut it down while myth was searching it. Now when it comes back up it is saying d:\stuff is 0 bytes. And that is where all of my data is...like over 100Gb
[00:35:00] FunkyELF: so I installed Norton and I'm running disk doctor
[00:35:00] dzentoo: disable It :P
[00:35:00] FunkyELF: disable what?
[00:36:00] dzentoo: wait a minute
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[00:37:00] dzentoo: just put clamAV on your samba sharepoint
[00:37:00] FunkyELF: that is a mount option?...what does it do?
[00:38:00] dzentoo: if you fear for viriuses
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[00:39:00] mstanisl: when did viruses come up?
[00:39:00] mstanisl: lol
[00:39:00] dzentoo: oops
[00:39:00] dzentoo: I didn't understand why he uses norton
[00:39:00] dzentoo: :x
[00:39:00] FunkyELF: mstanisl, I think I was the one who first brought up windows ;-)
[00:39:00] xris: dzentoo: norton utilities, not antivirus
[00:39:00] dzentoo: yeap
[00:39:00] FunkyELF: its because shutting down windows while myth was searching it caused my directory to appear empty
[00:39:00] FunkyELF: anyway...here is a real question I guess. TV Overscan...I have to run nvidia-settings every time I switch from the monitor to the TV (i'm still setting things up and my TV is rather fuzzy for reading and chatting)...is there a way for it to automatically use those settings? I don't have to do anything when I run nvidia-settings, i just run it and then it overscans correctly.
[00:41:00] bri: does anyone know something about xmltv i m using version 0.5.39 and i m getting the following error:
[00:41:00] bri: grabbing: Can't call method "look_down" on an undefined value at /usr/bin/tv_grab_de_tvtoday line 462
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[00:43:00] Ryushin: Ooooo.... This looks interesting: http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Video/mdp130.asp
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[00:46:00] bill2or3: supposedly the HD3k does qam
[00:46:00] dzentoo: oh
[00:46:00] bill2or3: I plugged it into some cable I found in the yard, but didnt get anything.
[00:46:00] dzentoo: a HDTV tunner !
[00:46:00] bill2or3: must not be live.
[00:46:00] dzentoo: in france, we don't have HDTV right now
[00:47:00] bill2or3: ahh
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[00:58:00] FireHorse: ...
[01:07:00] FireHorse: test
[01:08:00] Krazylegz: Test.
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[01:10:00] clintar_: FireHorse: share a drive on the linux box with a lot of space and have them put stuff on that
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[01:11:00] kormoc: dzentoo, isn't clamav just a mail scanner?
[01:12:00] kormoc: http://www.clamav.net/abstract.html#pagestart
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[01:12:00] kormoc: "The main purpose of this software is the integration with mail servers (attachment scanning)"
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[01:18:00] mstanisl: kormoc: a bit selective :)? — "The package provides a flexible and scalable multi-threaded daemon, a command line scanner, and a tool for automatic updating via Internet. "
[01:19:00] mstanisl: you can use clamav for whatever you need, but a common implementation is mail scanning
[01:19:00] mstanisl: i always used it with qmail installs
[01:19:00] kormoc: mstanisl, yeah, but that line isn't really saying it's made for anything else, but fair nuff
[01:20:00] mstanisl: well that's what the flexible part is supposed to imply coupled with the fact it is a CL scanner which basically makes it scriptable for any task
[01:23:00] kormoc: fair nuff. Tis good to know there's a good scanner out there
[01:23:00] mstanisl: yeah, it's good software.
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[01:24:00] MrSpiffy: manual zoom
[01:24:00] mstanisl: anyone using a comcast dc62xx or 6412 box?
[01:25:00] MrSpiffy: I can get the pic perfect using it
[01:25:00] MrSpiffy: how do yo make it permanent?
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[01:28:00] MrSpiffy: guess you can't
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[01:42:00] a1fa|64: pvr-350 installed
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[01:46:00] a1fa|64: omfg
[01:46:00] a1fa|64: i cant set this shit up
[01:48:00] mstanisl: ...
[01:48:00] a1fa|64: what driver does pvr-350 take
[01:49:00] a1fa|64: bttv?
[01:50:00] xris: ivtv
[01:50:00] pridkett: mstanisl: i've got a dc6200
[01:50:00] mstanisl: do you use firewire... or have you?
[01:51:00] a1fa|64: Couldn't open /dev/video0 to probe its inputs.
[01:51:00] jave: mythgame wont accept my xmame, says its wrong version. which version is right for mythgame?
[01:51:00] a1fa|64: wtf?
[01:51:00] a1fa|64: wtf?
[01:51:00] a1fa|64: anybody
[01:51:00] pridkett: mstanisl: I have used firewire
[01:51:00] pridkett: I've got an HDTV capture card too, so I've been using that for hdtv
[01:51:00] a1fa|64: what is a video source?
[01:52:00] a1fa|64: grep bttv
[01:52:00] a1fa|64: bttv 154252 0
[01:52:00] a1fa|64: video_buf 22212 1 bttv
[01:52:00] a1fa|64: i2c_algo_bit 9800 1 bttv
[01:52:00] a1fa|64: v4l2_common 6208 1 bttv
[01:52:00] a1fa|64: btcx_risc 4808 1 bttv
[01:52:00] a1fa|64: i2c_core 24144 5 tvmixer,tvaudio,tuner,bttv,i2c_algo_bit
[01:52:00] pridkett: the dct6200 is used mainly to tune digital cable
[01:52:00] a1fa|64: videodev 9984 1 bttv
[01:52:00] a1fa|64: soundcore 10400 5 tvmixer,bttv,snd,via82cxxx_audio,sound
[01:52:00] a1fa|64: do i need anything else?
[01:52:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: Stop spamming the channel
[01:52:00] pridkett: a1fa|64: use pastebin if you're going to post lots of stuff
[01:52:00] GreyFoxx: if you have more than a couple lines put it on pastebin.ca and paste the URL
[01:52:00] mstanisl: pridkett: were you able to get digital cable over firewire? i could swear my 6412 let me, but the new (hd only, no pvr) won't let me
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[01:53:00] pridkett: mstanisl: I was able to get it for hd only, no digital cable over firewire
[01:53:00] GreyFoxx: jave: I'll pull up the old source and see what the limit use to be
[01:54:00] pridkett: which is why i need to have the pvr250 hooked up to it
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[01:54:00] a1fa|64: sorry guys
[01:54:00] mstanisl: pridkett: yeah i have a pvr350 coming for that reason too ;)
[01:54:00] a1fa|64: why do i get this error Couldn't open /dev/video0 to probe its inputs.
[01:55:00] a1fa|64: that is on setup
[01:55:00] jave: GreyFoxx: thanks...
[01:55:00] a1fa|64: gzzz
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[01:56:00] jave: GreyFoxx: http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/MythGameHowTo mentions v 0.97, and i have v101 aparently
[01:56:00] a1fa|64: what username and password should i use for xmltv? zapit.com?
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[01:57:00] GreyFoxx: jave: yeah. There are no such limits any more, but using 0.18 release is limited to 0.97
[01:57:00] mstanisl: a1fa|64: the one you make
[01:57:00] mstanisl: yes
[01:57:00] mstanisl: for zap
[01:57:00] pridkett: a1fa|64: if you're in the US or canada, you don't need xmltv, just zap2it
[01:58:00] a1fa|64: wok
[01:58:00] a1fa|64: where do i create it
[01:58:00] jave: GreyFoxx: oki, so I either downgrade xmame, or upgrade myth then?
[01:58:00] a1fa|64: fuck me blind.. i dont see openup account
[01:59:00] GreyFoxx: well update only if you are ready to deal with a rapidly changing app (which currently doesn't have aworking LiveTV function)
[01:59:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: There are instructions in the mythtv.org docs
[02:00:00] jave: GreyFoxx: oki, downgrading xmame it is then :)
[02:00:00] jave: I should get something working before venturing out in cvs land i guess
[02:01:00] a1fa|64: what is certificate code?
[02:02:00] a1fa|64: ZIYN-DQZO-SBUT
[02:03:00] a1fa|64: Couldn't open /dev/video1 to probe its inputs.
[02:03:00] a1fa|64: 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
[02:04:00] smoke__: anyone here use a via mini itx motherboard here?
[02:04:00] a1fa|64: bttv driver is loaded.. am I missing anything
[02:04:00] GreyFoxx: the bttv driver is not used with a PVR card
[02:04:00] GreyFoxx: the ivtv driver is
[02:04:00] a1fa|64: ah fuck
[02:05:00] ** a1fa|64 is a fuckuop **
[02:05:00] GreyFoxx: how about you try and censor yourself a little
[02:05:00] a1fa|64: sure
[02:05:00] a1fa|64: sorry
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[02:08:00] a1fa|64: ivtv compiling
[02:08:00] a1fa|64: i hope this works
[02:08:00] a1fa|64: i need to schedule prison break at 8
[02:08:00] a1fa|64: for my girl
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[02:14:00] a1fa|64: Couldn't open /dev/video0 to probe its inputs.
[02:14:00] a1fa|64: still
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[02:16:00] GreyFoxx: I assume the driver is loaded without error ? Do the devices exist with permissions that allow you/myth to access them ?
[02:17:00] a1fa|64: yes
[02:17:00] a1fa|64: ok
[02:17:00] a1fa|64: how do i add channels
[02:17:00] a1fa|64: scan automatic
[02:17:00] a1fa|64: i cant move to that tab
[02:17:00] GreyFoxx: No, you go through the zap2it setup, set that in myth and it will pull in the channels/programs
[02:18:00] braniff: will mythtv work on an amd 64bit system ?
[02:18:00] a1fa|64: i am not on 64
[02:18:00] GreyFoxx: braniff: Yes
[02:18:00] a1fa|64: GreyFoxx: it didnt put it
[02:19:00] a1fa|64: i downloaded
[02:19:00] braniff: GreyFoxx, cool i was thinking of an upgrade to that system
[02:19:00] a1fa|64: the channel listing
[02:19:00] a1fa|64: but when i go to channel edit
[02:19:00] a1fa|64: there is nothing there
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[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: Have you actually read the documentation or are you just jumping around randomly guessing at what to do ?>
[02:20:00] mstanisl: GreyFoxx: rhetorical? :)
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[02:20:00] a1fa|64: 2005-11–07 19:19:54.265 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[02:20:00] a1fa|64: Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/home/mythtv/data//ringbuf1.nuv
[02:20:00] a1fa|64: i am jumping around atm
[02:20:00] a1fa|64: bcos i got no time
[02:20:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: you have 40 minutes
[02:20:00] a1fa|64: someone record Prison break for me :(
[02:20:00] GreyFoxx: That is plenty
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[02:21:00] mstanisl: MNF > prison break
[02:21:00] mstanisl: heh
[02:21:00] GreyFoxx: I love that show
[02:21:00] GreyFoxx: My GF wont watch til the end of the season so she can watch them all at once :)(
[02:22:00] mstanisl: hah
[02:22:00] mstanisl: i'll stick to monday night football
[02:22:00] a1fa|64: shit
[02:22:00] a1fa|64: ;(*
[02:22:00] ** braniff is watching "antiques road show" **
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: No sports in this house :) At least not on TV
[02:22:00] a1fa|64: help man :(
[02:22:00] a1fa|64: i set my card right
[02:22:00] mstanisl: i think my house is the antithesis of your house then
[02:23:00] a1fa|64: i am going to die :P man helpp
[02:23:00] GreyFoxx: mstanisl: I love to play sports and love going to games of various sports, but it will be acold day in hell before I watch someone else play it on TV :)
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[02:24:00] mstanisl: weird
[02:24:00] mstanisl: hi-def football and basketball look great :)
[02:24:00] a1fa|64: Couldn't open /dev/video to probe its inputs.
[02:24:00] a1fa|64: god.. why why me..
[02:24:00] ** braniff waits patiently for hidef bowling... **
[02:25:00] braniff: doesn't prison break repeat every week anyway?
[02:25:00] xris: braniff: CURLING
[02:25:00] braniff: right before the new ep
[02:25:00] a1fa|64: crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2005-11–05 21:31 /dev/video0
[02:26:00] mstanisl: is your user root or in the video group?
[02:26:00] braniff: heh curling — you must be canadian
[02:26:00] a1fa|64: yes
[02:26:00] a1fa|64: video:x:44:mythtv
[02:26:00] mstanisl: and are you sure your device is actuall working as /dev/video0?
[02:26:00] a1fa|64: how do you test
[02:26:00] a1fa|64: cat /dev > file.mpg
[02:26:00] a1fa|64: ?
[02:27:00] mstanisl: well, i'd first check your dmesg to see if everything is there
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[02:27:00] a1fa|64: ivtv0: unable to open firmware
[02:27:00] a1fa|64: here we go
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[02:27:00] a1fa|64: ivtv0: loading /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin
[02:27:00] a1fa|64: ah. ij
[02:27:00] GreyFoxx: That would be a problem :)
[02:28:00] mstanisl: :)
[02:28:00] a1fa|64: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 155648 2005-11–07 19:11 ivtv_init_mpeg.bin
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[02:28:00] a1fa|64: where do you get the firmware?
[02:28:00] mstanisl: is your google broken where you live
[02:28:00] mstanisl: heh
[02:29:00] GreyFoxx: it's embedded in the windows drivers. Normally you use the tools that come with the ivtv source to extract
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[02:29:00] a1fa|64: shit
[02:29:00] a1fa|64: can anyone send me that
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[02:29:00] a1fa|64: plz :(
[02:29:00] mstanisl: did you google the filename?
[02:29:00] a1fa|64: yeah
[02:30:00] a1fa|64: i am searchin for it asap
[02:30:00] a1fa|64: but 0 hits
[02:30:00] GreyFoxx: www.phaze.org/mythtv both encoder and decoder firmware that I use (if you have a 150 or 500 they wont help you)
[02:30:00] mstanisl: uhm
[02:30:00] mstanisl: google
[02:30:00] GreyFoxx: You've got 5 minutes before they disappear
[02:30:00] mstanisl: i'm feeling lucky for the file, found the link for it...
[02:31:00] mstanisl: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
[02:31:00] mstanisl: unless i am mistaken...
[02:31:00] a1fa|64: thanks
[02:31:00] a1fa|64: ah
[02:31:00] a1fa|64: great
[02:31:00] a1fa|64: thanks guys
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[02:32:00] a1fa|64: ah
[02:32:00] a1fa|64: working
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[02:34:00] mofu: anyway to use HD3000-DVB drivers w/o udev?
[02:36:00] a1fa|64: guys
[02:37:00] a1fa|64: i cant schedule a recording
[02:37:00] a1fa|64: i click save and exit
[02:37:00] a1fa|64: and it is gone
[02:37:00] GreyFoxx: But you have the listings and channels now ?
[02:38:00] a1fa|64: yep
[02:38:00] mstanisl: i like mythweb so much
[02:38:00] GreyFoxx: mstanisl: I do 99% of my scheduling that way
[02:38:00] mstanisl: wonderful and intuitive software
[02:38:00] mofu: mstanisl: you have something on your nose . . . .
[02:39:00] a1fa|64: no error
[02:39:00] a1fa|64: i tried ot schedule
[02:39:00] a1fa|64: nothing
[02:39:00] a1fa|64: i got 20 min left
[02:39:00] a1fa|64: please
[02:40:00] mstanisl: mofu: ok.
[02:40:00] Krazylegz: VCR.
[02:40:00] mofu: lol
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[02:40:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: Did you assign your new zap2it video source to an input connection in mythtv-setup ?
[02:41:00] a1fa|64: maybe not
[02:42:00] a1fa|64: one more problem
[02:42:00] a1fa|64: i get like 2 s of video
[02:42:00] a1fa|64: then it freezes on live tv
[02:43:00] GreyFoxx: I've heard people report that but I've never seen it.
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[02:43:00] GreyFoxx: But one thing at a time. Have you verified that the video source is connected to the input connection ?
[02:43:00] a1fa|64: yes
[02:43:00] mstanisl: a1fa|64: check your mythbackend log after you rectify your channel stuff.
[02:44:00] GreyFoxx: Yes, odds are the backend output would have something
[02:44:00] a1fa|64: 2005-11–07 19:42:32.098 Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None
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[02:44:00] GreyFoxx: That's it ?
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[02:45:00] a1fa|64: 2005-11–07 19:46:00.153 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
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[02:46:00] a1fa|64: thats it
[02:46:00] a1fa|64: only first two seconds of tv
[02:46:00] a1fa|64: then it freezes
[02:46:00] a1fa|64: 2005-11–07 19:46:22.879 Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None
[02:46:00] a1fa|64: grrr
[02:46:00] mofu: where is it writing the ringbuffer?
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[02:46:00] mofu: what are the permissions?
[02:46:00] a1fa|64: no particular error
[02:46:00] a1fa|64: mytivo:/# ls -al /home/mythtv/data/
[02:47:00] a1fa|64: drwsrwsr-x 5 mythtv mythtv 4096 2005-11–07 19:46 data
[02:48:00] ** braniff thinks prison break isn't getting recorded tonight **
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[02:49:00] a1fa|64: omg
[02:49:00] a1fa|64: what could be the problem
[02:49:00] a1fa|64: ??
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[02:50:00] mofu: does it lock up solid or just kick-out?
[02:50:00] DarkBeer: i always had problems with tv out locking up on my 350. finally switched to the svideo out on my nvidia card and all has been well since
[02:51:00] a1fa|64: 2005-11–07 19:51:10.603 prebuffering pause
[02:51:00] a1fa|64: hm.. wtf
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[02:51:00] dhofstra: prolly has something to do with using 'tivo' in your username he he he
[02:51:00] mofu: what is your video out source/card?
[02:51:00] a1fa|64: 2005-11–07 19:51:10.603 prebuffering pause
[02:51:00] a1fa|64: 2005-11–07 19:51:29.689 ReadStringList timeout (quick).
[02:51:00] a1fa|64: Remote encoder not responding.
[02:51:00] a1fa|64: ok
[02:51:00] a1fa|64: there
[02:51:00] a1fa|64: Remote Encoder not responding
[02:51:00] a1fa|64: i want to disable this
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[02:52:00] a1fa|64: where do you disable this
[02:52:00] mofu: have you done a cat test??
[02:52:00] a1fa|64: yeah\o
[02:52:00] a1fa|64: it works
[02:53:00] a1fa|64: Remote encoder not responding.
[02:53:00] mofu: this is all-in-one?
[02:54:00] ** mstanisl thinks it's probably good he is just using his nvidia card for dvi-out :) **
[02:54:00] ** DarkBeer agrees **
[02:55:00] a1fa|64: no
[02:55:00] a1fa|64: PVR-500
[02:55:00] mstanisl: wait you have a pvr500?
[02:55:00] mstanisl: i thought you've said you have a 350
[02:56:00] a1fa|64: no
[02:56:00] a1fa|64: i got a pvr-350
[02:56:00] a1fa|64: i borrowed it
[02:56:00] a1fa|64: 4 more minutes
[02:56:00] mofu: did u get the right fw?
[02:56:00] a1fa|64: some1 help
[02:56:00] a1fa|64: please
[02:56:00] a1fa|64: i got it from GreyFoxx
[02:56:00] mstanisl: just download the torrent man
[02:56:00] mstanisl: lol
[02:56:00] braniff: heh
[02:56:00] mofu: did you reboot?
[02:57:00] braniff: mythtv requires *patience* and a wide vocabulary of swear words
[02:57:00] mofu: funny, mine just works . . . .
[02:57:00] a1fa|64: omgh
[02:57:00] braniff: at first i mean
[02:57:00] a1fa|64: yes
[02:58:00] mofu: lol
[02:58:00] mstanisl: yeah i spent quite a few swear words getting firewire working with it — but that was mostly due to being on digital channels or encrypted hd channels during testing with test-mpeg2 and not realizing it.
[02:58:00] mstanisl: *sigh* i want that part of my life back.
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[02:59:00] braniff: heh
[02:59:00] a1fa|64: lol
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[02:59:00] a1fa|64: fucking reboiot
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[03:00:00] DarkBeer: bummer, show started
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[03:02:00] a1fa|64: how can i record a show
[03:02:00] a1fa|64: while it is still going
[03:02:00] a1fa|64: i just want to press REC
[03:02:00] a1fa|64: like on VCR
[03:02:00] a1fa|64: the channel is defuct
[03:02:00] mofu: just hit "R"
[03:02:00] a1fa|64: ok
[03:02:00] a1fa|64: i did that
[03:02:00] a1fa|64: :P
[03:03:00] djperegrine: press it again sometines it doesn't respond :P
[03:03:00] mofu: of course that assumes everything is working / / /
[03:03:00] mofu: lol
[03:04:00] a1fa|64: yeah
[03:04:00] a1fa|64: its working
[03:04:00] a1fa|64: -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 98160576 2005-11–07 20:05 1016_20051107200200_20051107210000.nuv
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[03:10:00] a1fa|64: is there a button to show you the status
[03:10:00] a1fa|64: like REC
[03:10:00] a1fa|64: or something?
[03:10:00] djperegrine: ?
[03:11:00] djperegrine: like where you are in the show?
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[03:11:00] a1fa|64: yeah
[03:12:00] a1fa|64: the audio is off by couple of sec
[03:12:00] a1fa|64: kind of annoying
[03:12:00] xris: a1fa|64: then it's not set up right
[03:13:00] braniff: either that, or the actors are ventriloquists heh
[03:14:00] xris: a1fa|64: mute your line-in, and set it for "record"
[03:15:00] a1fa|64: how
[03:15:00] xris: um, gnome-volume-control, alsamixer... take your pick of audio control programs
[03:15:00] mofu: he's using a pvr500, why does he have line-in?
[03:15:00] braniff: kmix
[03:15:00] a1fa|64: i am using pvr-350
[03:15:00] a1fa|64: i am using aumix
[03:16:00] mofu: ok
[03:16:00] xris: pvr-350 shouldn't have that problem
[03:16:00] xris: it does all of its own audio
[03:17:00] a1fa|64: hehe well it does :P
[03:17:00] a1fa|64: hey how do i check the status on my show
[03:17:00] a1fa|64: like DISPLAY
[03:17:00] a1fa|64: to check what show i'm on
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[03:17:00] a1fa|64: and etc
[03:17:00] mofu: "I"
[03:17:00] a1fa|64: ok
[03:18:00] a1fa|64: it doesnt say it is recording it
[03:18:00] xris: a1fa|64: explain your setup.. pvr-350.. what's it connected to and how?
[03:19:00] xris: and where is the audio sync issue happening (ie. only in mythtv, or everywhere?)
[03:19:00] a1fa|64: mythtv
[03:19:00] a1fa|64: i am recording a show and watching at the same time
[03:19:00] xris: 2 cards?
[03:20:00] pridkett: yay for beating xvmc into submission
[03:20:00] pridkett: something is seriously weird with xvmc on athlon64 cards
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[03:21:00] a1fa|64: one PVR-350
[03:21:00] a1fa|64: Cpu(s): 22.6% us, 1.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 72.8% id, 3.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.7% si
[03:21:00] a1fa|64: wowo
[03:21:00] GreyFoxx: Are you actually playing OUT the 350 or out a video card ?
[03:22:00] a1fa|64: video card
[03:22:00] a1fa|64: my nvidia
[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: k
[03:22:00] xris: a1fa|64: ok, so you're recording and watching that same recording.
[03:22:00] a1fa|64: how do i finish this recording
[03:22:00] a1fa|64: R again?
[03:22:00] a1fa|64: yeah
[03:22:00] xris: and how is the audio hooked up?
[03:22:00] a1fa|64: i am watching live TV, and recording it at the same time
[03:22:00] a1fa|64: pci
[03:23:00] xris: a1fa|64: AUDIO
[03:23:00] a1fa|64: though the soundcard i guess
[03:23:00] a1fa|64: pvr-350 via pci bus to soundcard
[03:23:00] xris: rf cable? rca-style audio jacks from cable box?
[03:23:00] a1fa|64: i dont have a cable box
[03:24:00] a1fa|64: cable comes into pvr-350
[03:24:00] xris: ok, so it's comingin on the rf signal just like the video.
[03:24:00] a1fa|64: sound comes out of the sound-card
[03:24:00] a1fa|64: yeah
[03:24:00] xris: didn't care about out, just in.
[03:24:00] a1fa|64: no audio-in
[03:24:00] a1fa|64: it comes with the cable
[03:24:00] a1fa|64: coax
[03:24:00] xris: rf
[03:24:00] xris: all those cables are coax
[03:25:00] xris: anyway, does the problem happen when you're watching pre-recorded stuff?
[03:25:00] a1fa|64: i dont know
[03:25:00] a1fa|64: it is my first time running it
[03:26:00] a1fa|64: and first time watching tv via myth
[03:26:00] a1fa|64: i will let you know in 30min
[03:27:00] xris: I'd say you have to poke around and figure out exactly when the sync problems happen.. schedule a recording and watch it later to see if the problem is there... test the resulting file with mplayer or xine to see if the problem is mythtv-specific, or if the file is being recorded wrong.
[03:27:00] GreyFoxx: Are you 100% sure you are using the nvidia card TV out? No chance you are connected to the 350's TV out ?
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[03:33:00] mstanisl: anyone using the mythtv frontend for mac?
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[03:34:00] nny: getting closer
[03:34:00] nny: need to figure out how to get mplayer to output to my tv versus my monitor
[03:35:00] nny: i assume mythvideo uses mplayer
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[03:35:00] nny: wait no it's xine
[03:36:00] nny: so i just need xine -V xshm
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[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: nny: It uses whatever you configure
[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: I use the myth internal player with mythvideo
[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: same look/controls/OSD as when watching recordings+livetv
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[03:39:00] nny: GreyFoxx, hmm whats the internal player?
[03:39:00] nny: GreyFoxx, and where do i tell it which video output to display video to?
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[04:02:00] a1fa|64: why do i have 16
[04:02:00] a1fa|64: and 16_1 channel?
[04:03:00] a1fa|64: sometimes i have 2_1 2_2 2_3 2_4
[04:03:00] mofu: you have overlapping sources?
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[04:03:00] a1fa|64: ah.. "DIGITAL"
[04:03:00] a1fa|64: got it
[04:04:00] a1fa|64: i love it
[04:04:00] a1fa|64: ;z
[04:04:00] a1fa|64: i havent checked if commercial skippage works
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[04:04:00] a1fa|64: i need to figure out how do i skip commercials on live tv
[04:05:00] mofu: you have to be a bit behind, you can't skip into the future
[04:05:00] a1fa|64: :P tru
[04:05:00] a1fa|64: that means i have to pause live tv?
[04:05:00] a1fa|64: and be behind or there is a special option for that
[04:06:00] mofu: i usually just set the program to record and start into it 15–20 minutes after it starts
[04:06:00] a1fa|64: cool
[04:07:00] a1fa|64: by going to recorded tv show right
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[04:12:00] a1fa|64: more problems
[04:15:00] linagee: recompile, reboot. :-)
[04:16:00] a1fa|64: 2005-11–07 21:15:09.299 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
[04:16:00] a1fa|64: 2005-11–07 21:16:05.762 Couldn't read data from the capture card in 15 seconds. Stopping.
[04:16:00] a1fa|64: wtc
[04:17:00] linagee: bad firmware, dead card, dead PCI controller, dead memory?
[04:17:00] linagee: bad mythtv? hehehe
[04:17:00] a1fa|64: nah :(
[04:17:00] a1fa|64: it works
[04:17:00] a1fa|64: but when you change channels too fast
[04:17:00] a1fa|64: it defucts u
[04:17:00] linagee: ???
[04:17:00] linagee: alfa|64: "doctor, it hurts when i do this!" doctor: "then don't do that!" lol
[04:19:00] a1fa|64: ;P
[04:20:00] a1fa|64: linagee: but it shouldnt be like that
[04:21:00] a1fa|64: it is unstable as chalrs manson
[04:21:00] linagee: charis manson?
[04:22:00] Servo888: Anybody know which nvidia gpu's come with the mpeg2 decoder?
[04:23:00] Servo888: Ok 5200, and 4000 so far...
[04:24:00] NightBird: hm... if a recording is moved off of myth, how do I delete the record?
[04:25:00] mofu: NightBird: the nuv file?
[04:25:00] mofu: Servo888: I'm not sure you'll gain any MPEG playback performance in anything over a 5200 . . . .
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[04:26:00] ** nny is tweaking mythgame **
[04:26:00] NightBird: mofu, I moved the nuv file off of the system
[04:26:00] Servo888: mofu, how about the geforce 4 mx4000?
[04:26:00] nny: any good web sites to peruse for tweaking xmame and mythgame?
[04:26:00] NightBird: however it appears under Media library and Manage
[04:27:00] mofu: Servo888: I'm not sure the 4000 will do XvMC if you ever want that option . . . .
[04:27:00] NightBird: and when I try to delete it, it complains about the file not being there
[04:27:00] NightBird: and I already deleted the original files
[04:27:00] NightBird: so...
[04:27:00] mofu: NightBird: make a dummy nuv file with the right name
[04:28:00] NightBird: how would I come up with the right name?
[04:28:00] mofu: check the log first, otherwise you might have to dig in the database
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[04:29:00] mofu: Comcast-Detroit finally added WB to their HD line-up . . . . now to get DVB/QAM ironned out
[04:29:00] a1fa|64: my tv schedule just died
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[04:32:00] a1fa|64: why does it take 5 min to change a channel?
[04:32:00] a1fa|64: that is crap
[04:33:00] a1fa|64: eerr
[04:33:00] a1fa|64: 5 sec
[04:33:00] mstanisl: mofu: you in the detroit area too :)?
[04:33:00] mofu: the ringbuffer on a journalled filesystem?
[04:33:00] mofu: mstanisl: yeah, westside
[04:35:00] mstanisl: like livonia west.. or... west side of detroit, proper :P
[04:35:00] mofu: Plymouth
[04:35:00] mstanisl: ahh, wow, my girlfriend lives there, hah.
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[04:37:00] mofu: a1fa|64: your ringbuffer should really be on its own ext2 partition for fastest response . . . .
[04:40:00] mofu: mstanisl: you have an hd card?
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[04:41:00] mstanisl: mofu: using firewire from my dct box right now... lost my bid for a hd3000 on ebay. heh
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[05:00:00] a1fa|64: i am using ext3
[05:00:00] a1fa|64: /dev/hda9 on /home type ext3 (rw)
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[05:01:00] mofu: hda9? you have at 9 partitions?
[05:01:00] mofu: lol
[05:01:00] a1fa|64: grep -c hda /etc/fstab
[05:01:00] a1fa|64: 6
[05:02:00] riksta: it doesn't always number them sequentially
[05:02:00] a1fa|64: /tmp /var /usr /home /
[05:02:00] mofu: plus swap . . . .
[05:02:00] Captain_Murdoch: using extended partitions, that could be only the 4th (5 = extended and 6–9 real)
[05:02:00] a1fa|64: and swap 6
[05:02:00] mofu: ok
[05:02:00] riksta: is livetv still broken in svn
[05:03:00] mofu: a1fa: svn or 18.1 ??
[05:03:00] a1fa|64: 18.1
[05:04:00] Captain_Murdoch: my math was a little off, but the point still stands. :) I have a drive with 7 but one is the extended so there's really only 6.
[05:04:00] Captain_Murdoch: riksta: partially I believe
[05:04:00] a1fa|64: but anyway
[05:04:00] a1fa|64: i need to buy cable
[05:04:00] a1fa|64: so my channels are chrisp clear
[05:05:00] riksta: ok, well no complaints anyway, been waiting for good changes there for a while
[05:06:00] Captain_Murdoch: this will bring lots of new possibilities, like the ability to save the LiveTV buffer, watch the same "live" program from multiple frontends, etc. I don't think Isaac is coding those up, but they could be added much easier with the new scheme.
[05:07:00] a1fa|64: cool
[05:07:00] ** xris is still waiting for the whole "overlapping" thing to happen... **
[05:07:00] a1fa|64: overlapping?
[05:07:00] Captain_Murdoch: there's no buffer anymore really, liveTv is a recording, broken up into a file per program (or more than one if you change channels I think.
[05:08:00] xris: record 2 sequential shows with "record early/late" settings and it just pulls from each piece to make things fit.
[05:08:00] a1fa|64: ok
[05:08:00] a1fa|64: i am going to bed.. thnaks for the help guys
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[05:16:00] riksta: we need the ability to watch programs from diff channels on the same dvb transport too, like in vdr
[05:16:00] riksta: i guess that will be easier with the new livetv structure
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[05:29:00] Whiskers: i was able to get mythtv installed via apt, but i need help getting started
[05:30:00] riksta: you need to read the guide on the website
[05:30:00] Whiskers: ive gone to that, but i dont understand parts
[05:30:00] riksta: what part
[05:30:00] Whiskers: the database part
[05:30:00] Whiskers: its all going to be on one computer, no second computer involved
[05:31:00] riksta: then what part are you stuck on there?
[05:31:00] Whiskers: im just getting access deniced errors, and failing to init MythContext
[05:31:00] Whiskers: havent found my issue in the documentation
[05:31:00] riksta: what part of the app are you running
[05:32:00] Whiskers: "mythtv"
[05:32:00] riksta: well you didn't run the setup yet?
[05:32:00] Whiskers: i did the mythtv-setup
[05:32:00] Whiskers: as root right?
[05:33:00] riksta: ok
[05:34:00] riksta: so did you add your device and link it to an input and find some channels
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[05:37:00] mstanisl: Whiskers: run mythfrontend after you make sure your mythtv-backend is running from your INIT script
[05:37:00] Whiskers: i added the card, and i added the linup, but nothing shows up in the "video source" and the channel setup doing find anything
[05:37:00] mstanisl: which card?
[05:37:00] Whiskers: hauppage pvr 350
[05:38:00] riksta: yep, you need to start the backend
[05:38:00] mstanisl: did you get the firmwar?
[05:38:00] riksta: oh if nothing shows up there
[05:38:00] riksta: you need to fix that first
[05:38:00] Whiskers: ah there is firmware i need to get?
[05:38:00] mstanisl: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
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[05:50:00] Whiskers: brb
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[06:02:00] ** xris drools... new Great Big Sea album... **
[06:03:00] ** pookSter steps over xris's drool as he heads off to bed **
[06:04:00] xris: well, at least I now have something inexpensive on my wish list again.
[06:04:00] pookSter: what is that xris? a musical group?
[06:04:00] xris: canadian folk/celtic rock group
[06:05:00] xris: one of my favorite groups, and one of only a couple of my fav groups that I can actually order cd's for
[06:05:00] pookSter: I have not heard of them...I'm in ontario...must be an east coast thing?
[06:06:00] xris: they're newfies, but hardly relegated to east coast... thought they were top-10 awhile back
[06:06:00] xris: definitely one of the biggest canadian groups out, since they actually have pretty good american distribution, too.
[06:07:00] pookSter: heh, cool, I will have to check them out
[06:08:00] pookSter: night all
[06:08:00] xris: :)
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[07:39:00] phoner: shit
[07:40:00] phoner: I suggest powering down mythtv before replacing a fan
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[07:50:00] xris: generally, one should do that regardless of mythtv.
[07:55:00] FITH: heh, just cause you're putting a momentary infinite current draw on the 5V rails on a running machine?!?! Say it ain't so! :)
[07:56:00] ** xris sips his cricket cola and is glad he doesn't have fan troubles **
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[08:13:00] pixelpixi: you here xris?
[08:14:00] xris: yup
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[08:15:00] pixelpixi: huzzah!
[08:15:00] pixelpixi: hehe.
[08:15:00] pixelpixi: how's it going?
[08:15:00] xris: not bad
[08:15:00] xris: you been watching my commits lately?
[08:16:00] pixelpixi: oh, no. i haven't seen them.
[08:16:00] xris: started playing around with ideas
[08:17:00] xris: problem is that I'm having to maintain compatibility with the old stuff at the same time
[08:17:00] pixelpixi: wow! a bunch of 'em!
[08:18:00] xris: yeah. can't tell if I'm over-organizing or if it's just enough.
[08:18:00] pixelpixi: i'm looking through your changes now.
[08:21:00] pixelpixi: these changes are marked 11/8
[08:21:00] xris: it needs a brand new toolbar, but I need to separate some code from work to do
[08:21:00] pixelpixi: but it's only 11/7
[08:21:00] xris: it's 11/8 where the server is
[08:21:00] pixelpixi: you're programming from... THE FUTURE.
[08:22:00] ** pixelpixi giggles. **
[08:23:00] ** xris wonders why it's ok for girls to giggle but not guys **
[08:23:00] pixelpixi: i think it's ok for guys to giggle
[08:23:00] ** pixelpixi shrugs. **
[08:24:00] xris: anyway, my goal is to get the current stuff working with the new layout, and then convert them all to be smarter in general
[08:25:00] pixelpixi: by layout you mean the graphic design?
[08:25:00] xris: file structure
[08:26:00] xris: modules directories
[08:26:00] xris: themes/, skins/, etc
[08:26:00] pixelpixi: i've got to get updated to svn. i've just been afraid to break my setup when i don't have time to fix it.
[08:26:00] pixelpixi: ah.
[08:26:00] xris: upgrade to mythtv svn from like friday morning
[08:26:00] xris: isaac broke livetv (intentionally) the other day
[08:26:00] mstanisl: xris: is the project using a standard presentation layer framework (smarty) for themes or just plug and go?
[08:27:00] pixelpixi: yeah, I saw that go by on the list.
[08:27:00] ** xris really doesn't like smarty **
[08:27:00] xris: mstanisl: it's just .php files
[08:30:00] pixelpixi: so, can you explain to me what your ideas behind modules, themes, and skins are?
[08:30:00] xris: themes are static display code — I want to end up with two themes.. default and minimal.. plus the stuff like wml, wap, vxml.
[08:31:00] xris: shouldn't need more than that, but if someone can really come up with a good reason to have another theme, it's easy enough to do.
[08:31:00] xris: skins are pure css... control the layout of the stuff completely that way.
[08:32:00] xris: modules are code. not sure if I'm going to stick with them per se, but I wanted a way to separate out all of the code pieces for the various sections rather than keeping them all in the root directory like it is now.
[08:32:00] pixelpixi: I see.
[08:32:00] xris: it also lets each module control its own functions... so tv/upcoming gets passed off to the tv module, which can handle the "upcoming" part on its own, without the master script having to know what's what.
[08:33:00] ** pixelpixi nods. **
[08:34:00] pixelpixi: one thing that concerns me is that it will be hard for people to write themes/skins that really behave and layout things differently.
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[08:34:00] bk2: hey all
[08:34:00] bk2: anyone able to help me tune my cable box into my pvr-150
[08:34:00] pixelpixi: since you can't really affect much of that through css
[08:35:00] xris: pixelpixi: have you SEEN http://csszengarden.com/?
[08:35:00] bk2: I've plugged the cable connection, from the back of my decoder, the one that was plugged into the tv
[08:35:00] bk2: and hit scan channels
[08:35:00] bk2: nothing comes up
[08:35:00] xris: but part of it is that I don't want to give unlimited control to people.. the workings need to stay somewhat consistent between the themes
[08:35:00] bk2: any suggestions
[08:36:00] xris: bk2: read the docs.. search for zap2it
[08:36:00] bk2: this is for nz, not the U.S
[08:36:00] pixelpixi: I haven't. I'll take a look.
[08:36:00] xris: mythtv doesn't do channel scans for analog signals
[08:36:00] xris: bk2: then search for xmltv
[08:36:00] pixelpixi: why do you feel they need to stay consistent?
[08:36:00] bk2: so, I don't think zap2it would work
[08:36:00] xris: pixelpixi: it's a UI control thing.
[08:36:00] xris: bk2: xmltv will
[08:37:00] mstanisl: xris: in the readme i am noticing it mentions not being adverse to using Smarty... I take it that it wasn't your comment?
[08:37:00] xris: pixelpixi: besides, I don't want to encourage people to create themes. last time I let someone submit one (compact), it never got updated.
[08:37:00] pixelpixi: well, the themes don't necessarily have to be distributed with mythweb.
[08:37:00] xris: mstanisl: guess I haven't read the readme in awhile.. yeah, not mine.. and left over from before I had poked in depth with smarty. it just doesn't give enough control
[08:38:00] bk2: hmm
[08:38:00] pixelpixi: personally, I love programs that are highly themeable. I like seeing what different people do with it.
[08:38:00] bk2: I just want to lock my tuner input into one fixed frequency
[08:38:00] mstanisl: xris: hmm, what portion didn't you have control over? smarty pretty much allows whatever you can imagine.
[08:38:00] xris: pixelpixi: they'll be normalized enough to make it not hard for people to use.
[08:38:00] bk2: as the cable box needs to be changed to select the channel
[08:38:00] xris: mstanisl: raw php
[08:38:00] xris: just looks like such a pain to define variables, export functions, etc...
[08:39:00] mstanisl: xris: you can pass raw php, or just create custom functions
[08:39:00] mstanisl: if it isn't blatantly obvious, I am a big fan of Smarty — I did a presentation at a technology conference this past april about it in fact
[08:39:00] xris: mstanisl: I'm a fan of less code. smarty means more code, therefore not good for me.
[08:40:00] mstanisl: see, i would have to disagree with that — smarty can optimize what you code \
[08:41:00] mstanisl: there is already so much functionality built-in and then enabling easy creation of functions/modifiers lets you create your own add-ons to an already great object-oriented framework
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[08:42:00] xris: honestly, I really just don't like using 2 languages to design.. if I wanted to parse the whole page content for variable substitution, I'd use a language designed for it — perl.
[08:42:00] xris: which I'd still be using for web design if mod_perl wasn't such a PITA to set up properly.
[08:42:00] mstanisl: but smarty is just PHP, not a second language :)
[08:43:00] pixelpixi: oy. perl is so ugly.
[08:43:00] xris: but it *is* a second markup language.
[08:43:00] xris: php + smarty + html
[08:43:00] xris: pixelpixi: I like perl. been using it for 10 years.
[08:43:00] pixelpixi: each to his own. :-)
[08:44:00] xris: ugly is all about the person writing it.
[08:44:00] xris: it's FAR easier to write ugly php code
[08:44:00] mstanisl: well i mean, i have written a lot of frameworks for different things, i don't consider that a second language
[08:44:00] pixelpixi: There's a lot of truth to that.
[08:44:00] pixelpixi: it's just irregular, and the purist in me is bothered by that.
[08:44:00] xris: mstanisl: with the amount of variable content that goes into the display code I use, it just seemed silly to add that middle layer
[08:44:00] xris: pixelpixi: irregular?
[08:45:00] xris: perl has some serious issues, and I hate it for the lack of real object support, but it's plenty regular.
[08:46:00] mstanisl: well yes, but you can also deal with doing caching on partially-dynamic content to save on parsing.. not that mythweb is really a high-end application or getting 20,000 hits a day
[08:46:00] xris: I have yet to run into a language that answers all of my wants... I hope perl6 will do that, but I also don't expect it to ever appear...
[08:46:00] mstanisl: it really has to be looked at for the application of creation
[08:46:00] xris: mstanisl: there's no such thing as partially-dynamic content... each user visiting the site gets a custom page
[08:46:00] pixelpixi: the syntax is just inconsistent and confusing.
[08:47:00] xris: pixelpixi: not if you're used to it
[08:47:00] mstanisl: xris: sure there is — content that stays static for a certain amount of time, but then needs an update at a given point
[08:47:00] mstanisl: in example... tv listings
[08:47:00] mstanisl: good for 30minutes.. refresh after that
[08:47:00] pixelpixi: i've been using python a good deal recently. i like it, but its dependence on whitespace is annoying to me.
[08:47:00] xris: mstanisl: huh? try 5 mins... and customized per-user viewing it... someone may want to split the page in 1 chunk, another in 5
[08:47:00] pixelpixi: anyway. i didn't mean to launch a language war. sorry about that.
[08:48:00] mstanisl: "per-user" how many users do you think one mythweb account has?
[08:48:00] xris: pixelpixi: no biggie. I've been frustrated with both php and perl lately
[08:48:00] pixelpixi: perl is great for certain things. i certainly recognize that.
[08:48:00] xris: mstanisl: my box has 4–6
[08:48:00] xris: box at work has 20
[08:48:00] xris: websites I code for work have hundreds+
[08:49:00] mstanisl: heh
[08:49:00] mstanisl: enotes.com is a site my former employeer does in smarty — they do 35k hits a day
[08:49:00] mstanisl: it scales just fine.
[08:50:00] mstanisl: frankly i don't think mythweb NEEDS smarty for the reasons you mentioned above regarding not really needing people to do themes
[08:50:00] mstanisl: it's just always nice to see if anyone else has it implemented :
[08:50:00] mstanisl: regardless of themes however, everything i do for work or play is usually done with smarty these days
[08:50:00] mstanisl: (and PEAR :P)
[08:51:00] pixelpixi: back to mythweb though, when i first started hacking on it trying to make a different looking theme, one of the first things i ran into was on the recorded programs page... i wanted a list of shows in one column, with the recordings of that show in the second column. then i wanted the second column to get filled in using ajax instead of a page refresh. i think mythweb ought to allow theme/skin designers the opportunity to make deci
[08:51:00] xris: mstanisl: I looked at it for work, but the fact that it caches pages by template instead of by a complex key (eg. template+user+browse-history), and that it seemed overly complex and yet too simplistic for the stuff I do for work (way too much unavoidable code in the display stuff)
[08:52:00] mstanisl: speaking of ajax — it would be fun to have a google-suggest for tv shows searching :)
[08:52:00] xris: mstanisl: yeah, that's a definite must-do
[08:53:00] pixelpixi: yeah, that'd be neat.
[08:53:00] xris: pixelpixi: you could do that with a theme... I just wouldn't maintain it, which is what theme contributors in the past seem to expect.
[08:55:00] xris: the problem is that when you give too much control to people, you end up with a project that falls apart. there's a reason that you can only change so many things about kde's or gnome's look, etc.
[08:55:00] xris: having alternate views for things like the recordings page is a completely separate issue.
[08:56:00] xris: that can be coded in and made part of the official spec
[08:56:00] pixelpixi: well, the code structure (at least at the time. i'm not sure about now) made it fairly hard to do. by the time the code in your theme executed, it had already spent a good deal effort building up data structures that you don't need if you're returning data for an ajax call.
[08:57:00] xris: pixelpixi: and you'd just have to live with that. code will always be separated from display (and way more so than it is now)
[08:58:00] xris: loading the data isn't really the issue, though.. it's printing it to the browser
[08:58:00] pixelpixi: oh no, I'm not advocating that themes ship with mythweb. it might be good if there were a theme repository or something though.
[08:59:00] pixelpixi: i don't think you do have to live with that. why not provide a function that the theme can use to access the data if (and only if) it needs it?
[09:00:00] xris: because the them should not define data
[09:00:00] pixelpixi: but, the other way is exceedingly (and unnecessarily) inefficient.
[09:01:00] xris: sort of
[09:01:00] xris: depends on what data you're loading
[09:01:00] xris: the amount of data you're talking about is smaller than a single image
[09:02:00] bk2: ok, so looks like I can define a channel in channel options of mythtv-setup
[09:02:00] bk2: I need to lock this card into 815mhz
[09:02:00] bk2: can this be configured in and work
[09:02:00] bk2: It requires that I set this in hertz though
[09:03:00] pixelpixi: ok. the consider the program grid page. that's certainly quite a lot of data.
[09:03:00] xris: pixelpixi: but it's only REALLY slow because of rending the offscreen stuff
[09:03:00] pixelpixi: also, i think it's not necessarily data transmission time as it queries, building the data structure, sorting things, transmitting, parsing... it adds up.
[09:03:00] xris: and because of a really bad query.
[09:04:00] pixelpixi: a really bad query?
[09:04:00] xris: but I do agree... I can't just let the themes do the querying for data, though.
[09:04:00] xris: pixelpixi: have you looked at the query that loads the program info?
[09:04:00] xris: I think that grid is poorly engineered, too...
[09:05:00] xris: nasty layers of functions because of the weird object setup
[09:05:00] pixelpixi: i think it might allow the themes to query the data. otherwise you're fundamentally limiting what a theme can do.
[09:05:00] xris: can't do that. code MUST be separated from display.
[09:06:00] pixelpixi: putting it inside a function is separating it.
[09:06:00] xris: but having the theme call init_programs() isn't.
[09:06:00] ** mstanisl introduces the PRESENTATION LAYER **
[09:06:00] mstanisl: heh
[09:07:00] pixelpixi: sure it is. it's a well defined interface between the data model and the formatting.
[09:08:00] pixelpixi: i think you're getting hung up on rote rules, when there are some fairly simple thing that could make it a lot more powerful.
[09:08:00] xris: I'm getting hung up on the current state of the code.
[09:08:00] xris: and an innate desire to keep things organized.
[09:08:00] xris: (organized the way my head keeps them)
[09:09:00] pixelpixi: it's the future state of the code i'm concerned with.
[09:10:00] xris: a lot of the stuff you're talking about won't matter about theme... only the default (ie. ajax-friendly-browser) theme will need to display the mouseover info to the users, and it will do it via ajax lookups... that means no theme will care about that data
[09:11:00] xris: changing the data objects to be more efficient will be pretty easy, all things considered... there's just a lot of messy code to wade through first.
[09:11:00] pixelpixi: that assumes that every theme needs the exact same ajax lookups, which isn't true.
[09:12:00] xris: the ajax lookups will be handled via their own separate library.
[09:13:00] pixelpixi: I think what you're proposing means that you have to foresee anything anyone would want to do with it.
[09:13:00] xris: I'm not about to make a layer to select only specific theme-specified fields from the database.
[09:13:00] xris: it's over-thinking a small problem
[09:14:00] xris: I can understand a "full vs minimal" query
[09:14:00] xris: or even better, on-demand loading of the full data (which is probably the better option).
[09:15:00] xris: the ajax.php program shouldn't even touch the object code. just query the db and return the results.
[09:15:00] xris: a lot of that kind of stuff can be done without the X part of ajax, too...
[09:16:00] xris: anyway, like I said, NONE of this can happen until I get the code separated out into a more organized structure.
[09:16:00] pixelpixi: so, you're proposing that there be one ajax.php file that all the other pages send their ajax queries too?
[09:16:00] xris: pixelpixi: yes.
[09:16:00] xris: or something like that.
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[09:17:00] xris: query url like /ajax/description/chanid-2005-11-08-10-00–00
[09:17:00] xris: to pull up the "description" query for that particular show
[09:18:00] pixelpixi: that's helpful. then in essence you're calling functions to get the bits of data you need, just calling them from javascript instead of from php.
[09:18:00] xris: turns it into a nice simple switch() statement
[09:18:00] xris: yeah
[09:19:00] xris: and ajax.php becomes a minimal bit of code that only needs to authenticate connect to the backend and the database, and execute a query.
[09:19:00] xris: s/authenticate//
[09:20:00] pixelpixi: I buy that.
[09:20:00] xris: my biggest concern with ajax, iframes, etc is that it increases server load (keep in mind, that I can't just think in terms of a single program like mythweb).. each "load" of a page to the user could be half a dozen hits on the server.
[09:21:00] xris: it's fine for little stuff like ajax, esp. if it's cached serverside... but some stuff might not be more efficient brought in piece by piece.
[09:21:00] xris: anyway, I need to crash....
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[09:21:00] pixelpixi: these aren't huge sites. almost everyone using this is running on it on a machine that's just for them.
[09:22:00] pixelpixi: bye...
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[13:06:00] Beirdo: my linode seemed to have eaten itself overnight
[13:06:00] Beirdo: wonderful
[13:09:00] Dagmar: That's what happens when you don't at least leave it some chips to munch on overnight.
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[13:22:00] Beirdo: grrr
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[13:23:00] BockBilbo2: sorry
[13:23:00] BockBilbo2: i got disconnected
[13:23:00] BockBilbo2: one sec
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[13:24:00] BockBilbo: done
[13:24:00] BockBilbo: ok
[13:26:00] BockBilbo: can you tell me if the error on this log is just caussed because non correct configuation of the channels and not because of the program? http://pastebin.ca/27981
[13:28:00] Beirdo: read the messages... you didn't finish the setup
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[13:36:00] prologic_: How do you get into edit mode and start flagging a program for commercials and remove them ?
[13:36:00] prologic_: (after which I'll then run nuvexport)
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[13:51:00] Beirdo: hit e
[13:51:00] Beirdo: while playing the recording
[13:51:00] Beirdo: it should be in the keys.txt that came with myth
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[14:05:00] prologic_: yeah ok
[14:05:00] prologic_: I hit e
[14:05:00] prologic_: mark a whole bunch of places
[14:05:00] prologic_: then hit c
[14:05:00] prologic_: but it didn't remove the cuts from the recording
[14:05:00] prologic_: went back to play it and it's still the original recording
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[14:06:00] BockBilbo: Beirdo, on the svn version, when trying to search channels i get an error saying that the card could not be opened
[14:06:00] seanw: ive got an ati tv wonder pro and it wont change channels
[14:09:00] prologic_: can't you remove all the video between cut-points ?
[14:09:00] prologic_: or is it just used as marks for playing (the z key) ?
[14:10:00] GreyFoxx: prologic_: Those are just markers. To actually remove the data you need to transcode and tell it to honour the cutlists
[14:10:00] prologic_: ahh
[14:11:00] prologic_: does mythtv's trancoding stuff do this ?
[14:11:00] GreyFoxx: It does
[14:11:00] prologic_: k
[14:11:00] GreyFoxx: as does nuvexport
[14:11:00] prologic_: is it the "Begin Commercial Flagging" Job in the Job Options ?
[14:11:00] prologic_: ahh k
[14:11:00] prologic_: nice
[14:11:00] BockBilbo: any of you if the channel searcher of the svn version works with the plextor convertx capturers?
[14:12:00] prologic_: so I could in theory just create a cutlist, export to xvid
[14:12:00] GreyFoxx: Channel search ?
[14:12:00] prologic_: then remove the recording
[14:12:00] GreyFoxx: prologic_: Yup, exactly
[14:12:00] prologic_: nice
[14:12:00] prologic_: maybe I won't need a larger hdd :)
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[14:24:00] BockBilbo: GreyFoxx, i have mythtv in spanish
[14:24:00] BockBilbo: in the setup program there is an option for scanning channels
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[14:31:00] Xenna: I have a problem with 'modprobe ivtv-fb' messing up my console. The console becomes unusable (presumable because it becomes attached to fb0). Google taught me that adding a video=vc:64–64 kernel option should solve this. In my case this doesn't work. I'm using ivtv 0.4.0 on FC4, kernel 2.6.13–1.1532_FC4 with a PVR 350 card. Any thoughts?
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[14:39:00] a1fa: hi
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[14:45:00] a1fa: Xenna : i hate PVR-350
[14:45:00] a1fa: it takes me 2 s to change a channel
[14:45:00] Xenna: ah you're a speed zapper
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[14:49:00] juski: only 2 seconds to change channels? be glad you're not using DVB-T ;)
[14:50:00] BockBilbo: im getting this error "2005-11–08 15:47:58.702 CreateLiveTVRingBuffer() failed
[14:50:00] BockBilbo: " on mythbackend when trying to watch tv
[14:50:00] BockBilbo: anyone knows why could it happen?
[14:50:00] mstanisl: be glad your not using firewire over a DCT62xx — you may not even get your channel ever :)
[14:50:00] juski: BockBilbo: have you created the directory for the ringbuffer? and does it have the right permissions?
[14:51:00] BockBilbo: juski, i havent create anything
[14:51:00] BockBilbo: i just got the code from the svn, compiled it and run the setup
[14:51:00] juski: ahh well... have you read anything?
[14:52:00] BockBilbo: juski, read what? the documentation?
[14:52:00] juski: mythtv kinda assumes that the places you store recordings etc *exist*
[14:52:00] BockBilbo: i see
[14:52:00] BockBilbo: do you know wher is the ringbuffer directory is supposed to be?
[14:53:00] juski: it can be wherever you want it to be, so long as the partition you put it on has enough space ;)
[14:53:00] BockBilbo: i see
[14:53:00] BockBilbo: and where do i configure it? in the general config parameters on the setup config?
[14:53:00] juski: yep
[14:53:00] BockBilbo: mm ok
[14:53:00] BockBilbo: let me try
[14:54:00] juski: I've set mine up to record to /video/videorec rather than the default for recordings, and /video/videobuf for the ringbugger
[14:54:00] juski: oops
[14:54:00] juski: you get the jist ;)
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[14:55:00] juski: but I *created* those directories and gave mythtv permission to right to them before I config'd mythtv to use them
[14:57:00] juski: right? wtf.. I meant *write*
[14:57:00] BockBilbo: juski, see, ive mofied the recordings directory from /var/mythv to /home/user/TV
[14:57:00] BockBilbo: and created that directory with all permisssions to anyone
[14:57:00] BockBilbo: but i stil get the same error
[14:58:00] BockBilbo: cant find the videobuf option
[14:58:00] juski: live tv buffer?
[14:58:00] BockBilbo: yes
[14:58:00] juski: this is svn isn't it?
[14:59:00] BockBilbo: yes
[14:59:00] BockBilbo: it is
[14:59:00] juski: little teeny weeny snag with svn mythtv right now.. live tv has been removed for the time being
[14:59:00] BockBilbo: :|
[15:00:00] BockBilbo: so livetv doesnt work now in the svn version?
[15:00:00] juski: it pays to read the dev mailing list (and probably the commits list too) to stay up to date with news
[15:00:00] juski: it's not so much that it ain't working – it's been disabled while development work is done on it
[15:00:00] BockBilbo: i see
[15:01:00] BockBilbo: ok
[15:01:00] BockBilbo: so i guess im gonna have to uninstall it
[15:01:00] juski: it probably won't be gone for long
[15:01:00] BockBilbo: and reinstall the binarys of ubuntu
[15:01:00] BockBilbo: aham
[15:02:00] juski: I got mythtv running on ubuntu in like 10 minutes.. what was wrong with it for you?
[15:02:00] BockBilbo: see i was trying svn because cant managed to watch any of my chanels
[15:02:00] BockBilbo: juski, well, cant get to set the channels right
[15:02:00] juski: does the video capture hardware work in linux?
[15:02:00] BockBilbo: im using a plextor convertx px-tv402u
[15:02:00] BockBilbo: it works yes
[15:02:00] BockBilbo: i have installed the modules
[15:02:00] BockBilbo: and try them out
[15:02:00] BockBilbo: using an app included with them
[15:03:00] BockBilbo: ive managed to record from the composite and the tuner
[15:03:00] juski: right, but channel changing wasn't working, eh?
[15:03:00] BockBilbo: but cant manage to configure mythtv properly
[15:03:00] BockBilbo: juski well not at all
[15:03:00] BockBilbo: all i was watching was a green screen
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[15:04:00] juski: ack
[15:05:00] BockBilbo: ive just uninstalled the svn version
[15:05:00] BockBilbo: gonna install the breezy binnaries again
[15:05:00] juski: breezy probs the best way to go
[15:06:00] BockBilbo: hold on one sec
[15:08:00] BockBilbo: juski, is it necesary to have a mysql user?
[15:10:00] mstanisl: cat /var/log/mythtv/mythtv-backend.log (i think that's the file) — does that give any useful output?
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[15:16:00] BockBilbo: ok
[15:16:00] BockBilbo: juski, see
[15:16:00] BockBilbo: everytime i strart the mythtvbackend
[15:16:00] BockBilbo: from /etc/init.d/mythv-backend
[15:16:00] BockBilbo: i get this:
[15:17:00] BockBilbo: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
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[15:21:00] juski: is mysql running?
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[15:23:00] juski: I suggest you read one of the ubuntu how-to guides a couple of times... ubuntu might have ready made binaries but it doesn't do *all* the configuration for you ;)
[15:24:00] BockBilbo: juski, it is
[15:25:00] BockBilbo: juski, ive read plenty of them :S
[15:25:00] juski: okay.. do you have a mysql user called mythtv?
[15:25:00] BockBilbo: yes i do
[15:26:00] BockBilbo: and it has acces to the mythconverg db
[15:26:00] juski: and does that user have enough privileges to access the mythconverg database?
[15:26:00] BockBilbo: yes
[15:26:00] BockBilbo: i granted al privileges
[15:26:00] BockBilbo: *all
[15:26:00] juski: right
[15:27:00] juski: have you edited the mysql.txt file?
[15:27:00] BockBilbo: no
[15:28:00] BockBilbo: done
[15:28:00] BockBilbo: its ok
[15:29:00] juski: hmm
[15:30:00] BockBilbo: (ive checked the one in /home/user/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[15:30:00] juski: in mythtv-setup, what have you got as the IP address of the master backend?
[15:30:00] BockBilbo: there is another one in /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt
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[15:32:00] BockBilbo: 127.0.0.1
[15:32:00] juski: ok
[15:33:00] juski: on my backend, the mysql.txt file is in /home/mythtv/.mythtv
[15:33:00] juski: so maybe yours should be in /home/users/mythtv/.mythtv
[15:34:00] BockBilbo: on mine is at /home/BockBilbo/.mythtv
[15:35:00] BockBilbo: i think i should have a mythtv directory inside /home
[15:35:00] BockBilbo: for the mythtv user
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[15:36:00] juski: I thought the ubuntu installer created the mythtv user as part of the instalation process
[15:36:00] BockBilbo: mm it did..
[15:36:00] BockBilbo: i removed that directory
[15:36:00] BockBilbo: let me restore this
[15:36:00] BockBilbo: :S
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[15:53:00] BockBilbo: juski, got one last question
[15:53:00] BockBilbo: ive removed all references to mythtv from my hd
[15:53:00] BockBilbo: and the database
[15:53:00] BockBilbo: removed also the mythv user and reinstalled all of it
[15:53:00] BockBilbo: so its like a brand new install
[15:53:00] BockBilbo: the installer created the user and the dabase again
[15:53:00] BockBilbo: among with the /home/mythtv directory
[15:54:00] BockBilbo: now, when isntalling it
[15:54:00] BockBilbo: i got this message:
[15:54:00] BockBilbo: You must run mythtv-setup as the 'mythtv' user in order to complete mythtv configuration. Note that this program requires an X display, so you must either login to an X session as the 'mythtv' user, or otherwise arrange for that user to have access to your X display.
[15:54:00] BockBilbo: the problem here is that dont know how to run mythtv-setup as mythtv user
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[15:56:00] BockBilbo: brb
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[15:57:00] juski: log in as the user mythtv
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[15:59:00] a1fa: hi :P
[16:00:00] a1fa: my streamzap remote is here
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[16:15:00] johnny99: i have a pvr-350 and watch tv works great, but when I do a record – I'm getting no sound when I watch the recording. I can't find the exact answer in the mail list/help. is there an easy way? hehe
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[16:21:00] pridkett: a1fa: that was some mad fast delivery
[16:21:00] seanw: anyone here use an ati tv wonder card (not all in wonder)?
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[16:22:00] seanw: my playback is choppy...
[16:23:00] dev-: useing ati drivers?
[16:25:00] dev-: johnny99: try checking the options for your sound settings when recordings are record — Setup->Recording profiles
[16:25:00] dev-: Setup->tv settings->recorded profiles
[16:25:00] dev-: i mean
[16:26:00] seanw: im running ubuntu
[16:26:00] seanw: its when i watch tv
[16:26:00] dev-: thats nice?
[16:26:00] dev-: heh
[16:27:00] seanw: odd thing is it works fine on tvtime but i like mythtv better :)
[16:27:00] dev-: with no information given from you, 1> your box is too slow for myth 2> you're not useing hardware acceleration
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[16:27:00] dev-: be my first 2 gueses.
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[16:28:00] seanw: well ive got an amd processor with 400 mb ram
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[16:29:00] seanw: how do i check hardware acceleration?
[16:29:00] dev-: seanw: glxinfo in a term when you startx is probably the easiest to check
[16:30:00] dev-: seanw: you could also load an mpeg with xine and look at top in another term while you're watching it
[16:30:00] dev-: if its 99%, you've got a problem. if
[16:31:00] dev-: myth/xine both use xv
[16:31:00] GreyFoxx: seanw: how fast is your processor ?
[16:32:00] seanw: im new to linux...how do i check?
[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: you don't know what you have in your own machine ?:)
[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: should see the speed in there
[16:33:00] seanw: built for me....before i learned how lol
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[16:33:00] dev-: and now ya want to make it a mythbox :)
[16:33:00] dev-: heh
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[16:34:00] seanw: cpu MHz  : 1466.980
[16:36:00] GreyFoxx: should be enough with that card
[16:36:00] GreyFoxx: for recording/playback assuming XV is working for your video card
[16:37:00] seanw: when i play music with xine cpu goes to 100%
[16:37:00] dev-: music? thats not right
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[16:37:00] seanw: well visulisations
[16:37:00] dev-: oh, didnt think, playing visualizations?
[16:37:00] seanw: are on
[16:38:00] KaZeR: mmmm. nuvexport encoding at -0.98 fps.
[16:38:00] dev-: did you download and install drivers from ati?
[16:38:00] KaZeR: hi people
[16:38:00] dev-: KaZeR: lol
[16:38:00] dev-: that rules, you're encoding backwards
[16:38:00] KaZeR: yeah :)
[16:38:00] KaZeR: MY TIME MACHINE WORKS!!!
[16:38:00] dev-: its something thats for sure!
[16:38:00] dev-: dunno if it works tho!
[16:38:00] dev-: hehe
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[16:39:00] seanw: ubuntu peoiple say dont use ati drivers...maybe they ment for grfx cards...
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[16:40:00] dev-: seanw: sorry, i dont have any experience with those cards. Uusually though, you want to run the drivesr provided by the manufacturer... maybe someone else in here has more experience with those cards in particular
[16:40:00] dev-: seanw: i cant tell you to install those drivers, and if someone else told you not to, then maybe you shouldnt. i dont know :)
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: seanw: Can you paste the output of "xvinfo" to www.pastbin.ca ?
[16:41:00] seanw: yes
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[17:06:00] johnny99: thanks dev- for the help – I'll try that when I get home tonight.
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[17:08:00] dev-: johnny99: np, check what you have set for "Default" or whatever other profile you're useing when setting recordings, then you can compare it to whats set for "LiveTV" — you'll probably find they're different in some way hehe. that difference could be ya problem
[17:09:00] NightBird: jeez... I need to go through here and really free up some space...
[17:10:00] NightBird: my myth install keeps running out of space, and I have a 100 gig
[17:10:00] dev-: at 2.4gig an hour, id fill that up really fast
[17:10:00] dev-: use 300gig for tv storage hehe
[17:10:00] dev-: and thats pretty small compared to what some other people have setup
[17:10:00] ** NightBird nods **
[17:11:00] dev-: some people in here at over 1tb
[17:11:00] NightBird: the thing is, is that I'm filling it up with "Who's line" episodes
[17:12:00] dev-: hah ;)
[17:12:00] dev-: my girlfriend almost did me in last month. she loves ghost shows. entire month of october my 3 tuners were in use
[17:12:00] NightBird: I'm having to transcode them using vlc
[17:12:00] NightBird: gah
[17:13:00] ** NightBird only has one tuner... :P **
[17:13:00] dev-: i was amazed how easy it was to add another
[17:13:00] ** NightBird nods **
[17:13:00] dev-: just stuck it in and plugged in coax heh
[17:13:00] NightBird: just need a coax splitter and the card
[17:13:00] NightBird: then configure, and you're good to go
[17:13:00] NightBird: right?
[17:14:00] dev-: yeah just mythtv-setup and set tuner0 as default input
[17:14:00] dev-: done!
[17:14:00] dev-: ivtv saw it immediately
[17:14:00] dev-: etc etc. only step was mythtv-setup
[17:15:00] dev-: oh and a setting in myth thats not turned on by default and im not sure why. "avoid scheduled and live tv conflicts" or some such
[17:15:00] dev-: else everything tries to use the first tuner ;/
[17:15:00] NightBird: oh, so that it uses the other tuners for recording and the 'main' tuner for watching?
[17:16:00] dev-: maybe. probably if you have like, 1 hd input, and another coax or something. you always want to watch livetv on hd and recordings on the other? dunno
[17:16:00] dev-: doesnt make sense for me so i turned the option on
[17:16:00] dev-: hehe
[17:16:00] NightBird: hm...bbiab
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[18:15:00] jasta: I wish Goom didn't run so god awful slow on my EPIA M10K box.
[18:15:00] Chutt: buy something without a crappy cpu.
[18:16:00] jasta: It isn't that crappy.
[18:16:00] Chutt: sure it is
[18:16:00] Chutt: it's about as fast as a p3–500
[18:17:00] jasta: I'm reading on some forum that someone running an EPIAM10K actually has GOOM running smoothly.
[18:18:00] Chutt: if they dropped the resolution down far, sure.
[18:18:00] jasta: Does GOOM utilize the GLX X extension?
[18:18:00] jasta: I suspect I may not have it properly enabled.
[18:18:00] Chutt: uh, it's not opengl.
[18:19:00] Dagmar: It's not 3d.
[18:19:00] Dagmar: A good accellerated driver makes it not suck tho
[18:19:00] Chutt: it's all cpu
[18:20:00] Chutt: no video card accel whatsoever
[18:20:00] Chutt: lot of mmx code, which the epia-m also rather sucks at.
[18:22:00] jasta: Well, it runs fine when it's not full screen anyway.
[18:22:00] Chutt: because the amount of cpu it uses is directly proportional to the render size.
[18:24:00] jasta: Really, why?
[18:24:00] Chutt: don't you know anything about graphics?
[18:24:00] jasta: Sorry, the sarcasm didn't really carry through on that one. What I meant was, "No shit." :)
[18:27:00] ** xris curses gzip and rsync **
[18:28:00] xris: or just rsync
[18:29:00] jasta: Why?
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[18:30:00] xris: trying to rsync a database export.
[18:31:00] xris: but since the files are "new" each time, it transfers the file each time, rather than sending delta
[18:33:00] jasta: It probably doesn't send the delta because it can't actually make one sensibly.
[18:33:00] jasta: What is the format of the export?
[18:33:00] xris: text files or gzip
[18:33:00] xris: and it should be fine because the files are identical
[18:34:00] jasta: rsync would stand a better chance operating on the sparse data files.
[18:34:00] jasta: xris: identical?
[18:34:00] xris: yes.
[18:34:00] jasta: Should you be passing -c? :)
[18:34:00] xris: doesn't matter
[18:35:00] jasta: Why not?
[18:36:00] xris: because it doesn't matter... doesn't change how it works in this case.
[18:37:00] johnny99: anyone seen this: when i watch a recording – i cannot get out of it. escape does not work or anything – not even alt-tab.
[18:37:00] jasta: Whatever you say, but rsync does not always need to depend on either checksums or mtime.
[18:37:00] xris: jasta: I know that. but in this case, I need it to UPDATE files, rather than replace them.
[18:37:00] xris: otherwise it makes using rsnapshot completely useless.
[18:40:00] jasta: i just finished a bunch of work on Vim's crummy syntax files so that more of them can be embedded properly.
[18:40:00] jasta: and i added a couple of neat tricks to let it highlight SQL syntax inside of other languages' string literals.
[18:41:00] kormoc: jasta, ooh?
[18:41:00] jasta: it's fun to look at. i have a file open right now w/ 3 different lexicals being displayed properly at once.
[18:42:00] jasta: kormoc: Yeah, a great number of the Vim syntax files that ship with Vim were not setup to be syn-included (a bug in vim, or a bug in the syntax files; it's hard to say)
[18:42:00] jasta: basically syn-include rearranges priorities and adjusts sync behaviour automatically.
[18:43:00] jasta: and it doesn't do this in a particularly syntax-tree friendly way.
[18:43:00] kormoc: icky
[18:43:00] jasta: so the vim scripts that are embedded need to be coerced from their normal behaviours sometimes.
[18:43:00] jasta: which can be done easily once you can narrow the problematic expressions.
[18:44:00] ** kormoc nods **
[18:44:00] jasta: for example, the sql syntax files attempt to do syn-sync'ing on C-style comments, which is a complete hack and will break when embedded.
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[18:44:00] jasta: causing syncs in the larger syntax file to halt.
[18:45:00] jasta: kormoc: i have been thinking of a better way to trigger the embedded SQL in C/C++ though.
[18:46:00] kormoc: yeah?
[18:53:00] jasta: sorry, my keyboard ran out of batteries.
[18:54:00] jasta: anyway, it works much better in Perl because you can use a quote-like delimiter.
[18:54:00] jasta: So q or qq^...^ can be trivially made to interpret as some other subsyntax.
[18:58:00] jasta: kormoc: I'd prefer not to pollute the source with some extra macro or trigger.
[18:58:00] jasta: But in Perl, it is plausible.
[18:58:00] jasta: I suppose I could look for the 4 primary keys in the first word of the string to determine the Sql match.
[18:58:00] jasta: so the first non-whitspace sequence is one of: SELECT, UPDATE, INSERT, or CREATE (case-sensitive)
[18:59:00] jasta: but that could break down easily.
[18:59:00] ** kormoc nods **
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[18:59:00] jasta: it would be so much easier to simply have #define MYSQL(x) (x)
[18:59:00] jasta: MYSQL("SELECT ...") and let vim hook into a special delimiter "MYSQL("
[19:00:00] jasta: or SQL() might be a better idea.
[19:02:00] jasta: kormoc: i sense that you might be the slightest bit interested in thise work :)
[19:02:00] jasta: this*
[19:02:00] jasta: i will be posting it upstream in a couple of days when i clean things up.
[19:04:00] kormoc: jasta, I am indeed :)
[19:04:00] jasta: well, feel free to weigh in on how vim should match in C/C++.
[19:06:00] jasta: let me show you a screenshot :)
[19:06:00] Chacabaou: I just compiled r7795, which is mostly working but: when selecting LiveTV, _nothing_ happens. The button blinks a little, but no LiveTV starts. Known issue?
[19:06:00] Chutt: people that use svn without reading the dev or commits lists are idiots.
[19:07:00] Chacabaou: Chutt: As long as you say "or", I'm not an idiot. ;)
[19:07:00] Chutt: sure you are
[19:08:00] Chutt: i sent out mail to the dev and users list saying that live-tv will be broken
[19:08:00] Chutt: there have been 3 or 4 threads on the users list, and 1 on the dev list since then, from people who didn't bother reading that
[19:08:00] Chutt: there have been multiple svn commits that say 'this breaks live tv'
[19:08:00] Chutt: there have been several completely useless bugs reports (on the commits list) which idiots opened when they couldn't use live tv
[19:09:00] ivor: ...and we've been laughing each and everytime anyone asks the question. :)
[19:09:00] Chacabaou: Chutt: Ok...totally my fault. Sometimes, I get used to the fact, that almost all new revisions make things better.
[19:10:00] kormoc: jasta, screen shot would be nice.
[19:10:00] xris: Chutt: I don't read those. heh
[19:11:00] jasta: kormoc: Yes, I use Windows at work :\
[19:12:00] jasta: kormoc: The color choices are admittedly not great, but I'm working on that :)
[19:13:00] Beirdo: blah
[19:13:00] Beirdo: nothing like a little Toronto driving to remind you why having a car here sucks
[19:14:00] jasta: Beirdo: My roommate's car just got towed right outside our house last night. I think that may have also reminded him why having a car sucks.
[19:14:00] Beirdo: heheh.
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[19:15:00] xris: ouch
[19:15:00] Beirdo: good thing is, I have private parking (live downtown)
[19:15:00] ** xris is glad to have a driveway **
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[19:15:00] Beirdo: and after I eventually move to PR, we have a 2-car garage, and enough driveway for another 2 cars before parking on the street
[19:15:00] jasta: We live on a major street in Seattle. In the mornings, you can't park on the stree southbound, and in the evenings northbound.
[19:15:00] jasta: street*
[19:16:00] jasta: He had a girl over the other night, and she ended up staying the night instead of going home.
[19:16:00] jasta: So he was never prompted to move his car :)
[19:16:00] Beirdo: so he gets to pay for his fun
[19:16:00] jasta: He went to go take her home at 11am or something, and his car was gone.
[19:16:00] Beirdo: ooops
[19:16:00] Beirdo: gotta suck
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[19:16:00] jasta: Beirdo: Yeah, I told him to tell her that it was the most expensive date he's ever had :)
[19:16:00] Beirdo: cheaper for him to get a hotel room next time
[19:16:00] jasta: Cost $120 for the tow truck
[19:16:00] jasta: Plus a $40 ticket.
[19:17:00] Beirdo: yup
[19:17:00] Beirdo: I'm sure even in Seattle you can find a hotel room for less than $160
[19:17:00] jasta: I took him down to the towing company's lot to pick up his car and I've never felt more like I was going to get shot or gang raped in my entire life.
[19:17:00] jasta: What a scary, scary place we were at.
[19:17:00] Beirdo: impound lots are often scary-ass places to be sure
[19:17:00] jasta: Beirdo: Sad thing is that he could have just parked a block East :)
[19:18:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:18:00] Beirdo: jeez
[19:18:00] kormoc: Beirdo, you can find motels for like $30 a night or so it seems
[19:18:00] jasta: Beirdo: The whole neighbourhood. I'd never been there before but it was freaking weird. Middle of nowhere in the heart of a huge city.
[19:18:00] kormoc: hehe
[19:18:00] jasta: Beirdo: It's really tempting to take the parking right in front of our house because it's usually open :)
[19:19:00] Beirdo: well, of course
[19:19:00] jasta: Generally because people constnatly have to rotate their parking spots :)
[19:19:00] Beirdo: I like my method better
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[19:19:00] jasta: I have it setup perfectly. I get home exactly at 6, when the northbound lane is open for parking.
[19:19:00] Beirdo: private parking in a parking garage
[19:19:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:19:00] kormoc: another reason I sorta like living outside of the city, but near it
[19:19:00] Beirdo: never have to move the vehicle
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[19:19:00] jasta: We have a parking garage at our house. It fits 2 cars, but we have 4.
[19:19:00] Beirdo: gah
[19:19:00] Beirdo: tree-huggers, you ain't
[19:19:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:20:00] jasta: There are 4 of us.
[19:20:00] Beirdo: ahh
[19:20:00] jasta: I live with 3 of my good friends.
[19:20:00] Beirdo: I thought you meant 2 people, 4 cars
[19:20:00] jasta: It's actually pretty nice. The house is roomy enough that you don't really get sick of them.
[19:21:00] jasta: But you get to socialize really easily.
[19:21:00] Beirdo: so my dad's POS mini-van is parked in my spot... free wheels
[19:21:00] Beirdo: I got tired of car payments, insurance, etc for my car, got rid of it
[19:22:00] jasta: I just got a speeding ticket the other day too :(
[19:22:00] jasta: So my insurance will go up :)
[19:22:00] jasta: erm :(
[19:22:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:22:00] Beirdo: you know the trick...
[19:22:00] Beirdo: don't get caught
[19:22:00] jasta: The bitch of it was that I got the ticket while driving back from the jail.
[19:22:00] ** Beirdo checks... yes, the horseshoes are still up the ass **
[19:22:00] jasta: I bailed out a friend of mine. I did a REALLY nice thing for someone, and then got a ticket on my way home!
[19:22:00] kormoc: hehe, in PA they don't report speeding tickets to the insurance company
[19:22:00] Beirdo: never been caught once
[19:22:00] Beirdo: not even when doing 100mph in a 60mph zone
[19:23:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[19:23:00] kormoc: I was ticketed twice by the same cop
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[19:23:00] Beirdo: I'm just lucky
[19:23:00] kormoc: once for 29 in a 25
[19:23:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:23:00] Beirdo: oh, in town, I religiously do the limit
[19:23:00] kormoc: and then he caught me at 110 in a 60, and gave me a ticket for right turn on red at a no turn on red intersection
[19:23:00] Beirdo: I only speed on the highway
[19:24:00] jasta: I have 1 on my 3 year record now.
[19:24:00] Beirdo: my cousin once got caught doing 100mph in a 25mph zone
[19:24:00] Beirdo: that was fun
[19:24:00] jasta: Because of the one I just got.
[19:24:00] jasta: Asshole.
[19:24:00] jasta: and it was only 42 in a 30. Who freaking cares?
[19:24:00] Beirdo: they wrote it down as 75mph
[19:24:00] kormoc: Beirdo, ouch, in pa 2x the speed limit is automatic 6 month suspension + driver's class
[19:24:00] jasta: The cop was just being a dickhead. I'm going to contest it in court and try to get it deferred.
[19:25:00] kormoc: not sure what it is here in washington
[19:25:00] Beirdo: I guess they couldn't believe that a diesel VW rabbit with a 40HP engine could do 100mph
[19:25:00] Beirdo: and I was in the poor POS, it was 100mph
[19:25:00] Beirdo: downhill with a tailwind, I think :)
[19:25:00] jasta: kormoc: You live in WA?
[19:26:00] jasta: Oh right, you're xris' co-worker right?
[19:26:00] kormoc: jasta, yeah, seattle now, I'm xris' minion
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[19:26:00] jasta: Well ok, or minion.
[19:26:00] jasta: I live in North Seattle.
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[19:26:00] xris: ravenna is hardly "north seattle"
[19:26:00] kormoc: heh, I'm in Lynnwood a ton
[19:27:00] kormoc: but I live in Seatac
[19:27:00] ** Beirdo lobs xris a bottle of mead **
[19:27:00] Beirdo: get durnk
[19:27:00] jasta: xris: How do you figure?
[19:27:00] xris: Beirdo: sounds like you already are
[19:27:00] Beirdo: I only wish
[19:28:00] xris: jasta: well, since there's lake city, northgate and shoreline north of you that are still seattle
[19:28:00] Beirdo: I haven't had booze in... 3 months almost
[19:28:00] Beirdo: I should fix that
[19:28:00] jasta: xris: They're all north seattle. what else would you call it? North Seattle but not Nearly as Far North as it Could Be.
[19:28:00] Beirdo: North Seattle = Vancouver, BC :)
[19:28:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:29:00] xris: ravenna is central.. unless "north" is defined as "north of the canal"
[19:30:00] jasta: I would define it as across the water :)
[19:30:00] jasta: Lake Union
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[19:30:00] Beirdo: beer me
[19:30:00] jasta: Once you're over on that side, you're North Seattle.
[19:30:00] jasta: think about how close to downtown south seattle is.
[19:30:00] johnny99: anyone seen this: when i watch a recording – i cannot get out of it. escape does not work or anything – not even alt-tab.
[19:30:00] Beirdo: it's possessed
[19:31:00] Beirdo: you probably lost focus somehow
[19:31:00] johnny99: how can i regain focus then? heh
[19:31:00] kormoc: Beirdo, heh, vancouver is not north seattle, it's a place full of very crappy people, unlike seattle :P
[19:32:00] Beirdo: hey, you watch what you say about the pot-growers north of you
[19:32:00] Beirdo: they might cut off the supply
[19:32:00] Beirdo: yeah, Vancouver has some nasty people, all big cities seem to
[19:33:00] kormoc: heh, yeah, like that one female I knew from there...
[19:33:00] ** kormoc grumps. **
[19:33:00] Beirdo: hey, don't lump em all in with her
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[19:34:00] jasta: kormoc: Did you see that screenshot?
[19:34:00] jasta: I privmsg'd it to you.
[19:34:00] kormoc: jasta, no?
[19:34:00] kormoc: are you logged in with nickserv?
[19:34:00] jasta: i would normally be, but i think i got bumped.
[19:34:00] kormoc: yeah, you're not
[19:34:00] jasta: http://71-37-18-163.tukw.qwest.net/workstation-20051108.png
[19:35:00] kormoc: Beirdo, yeah, but all our mutual 'friends' from up there turned out to be about the same
[19:35:00] Beirdo: ah
[19:35:00] kormoc: so it's easier to just say fuck it to the entire city
[19:35:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:35:00] Beirdo: your loss :)
[19:35:00] kormoc: jasta, looks nice!
[19:35:00] Beirdo: I wanna say fuckit to Toronto though
[19:35:00] kormoc: Beirdo, not really, there's nothing up there that's not here to be honest.
[19:36:00] Beirdo: sure there is
[19:36:00] Beirdo: lack of GW Bush
[19:36:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:36:00] kormoc: heh
[19:36:00] xris: hmm, great big sea's latest album returns to their roots (thankfully — last cd was a little too pop-ish)
[19:36:00] kormoc: sure, so you'd get to deal with the consertive party instead of a single one
[19:36:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:36:00] Beirdo: no worries about that in BC
[19:36:00] kormoc: not so
[19:36:00] Beirdo: they are left-wing dingbats
[19:37:00] kormoc: the ferry system is dieing cause they privitized it, the consertives won vancover, and screwing crap up
[19:37:00] kormoc: it's a giant mess up there right now
[19:37:00] jasta: kormoc: I'll keep you posted when I let upstream have at my patches :)
[19:37:00] bri: [20:37] <jasta> http://71-37-18-163.tukw.qwest.net/workstation-20051108.png <--- oh he uses a tool to controll his mates, haha
[19:37:00] kormoc: jams_, yeah, please do :)
[19:37:00] Beirdo: it's a mess everywhere where things are owned by a government bleeding money, unfortunately
[19:38:00] kormoc: very true
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[19:38:00] jasta: kormoc: It's so silly that I have Windows on this machine. I use cygwin, gvim, firefox, and do most of my development on Apache :)
[19:38:00] jasta: although i have managed to port HTML::Mason to IIS :)
[19:38:00] Beirdo: things will turn around eventually
[19:38:00] jasta: my boss won't let me switch.
[19:39:00] kormoc: Beirdo, true, a bit of it also is, I have enough issues with the redhead at home, why should I bother going international for more? :P
[19:39:00] Beirdo: muhahahah
[19:39:00] Beirdo: true enough
[19:39:00] xris: jasta: sounds like my last job
[19:40:00] jasta: It's ok though, really.
[19:40:00] jasta: I don't work hard at my job.
[19:40:00] Beirdo: oh dammit
[19:40:00] jasta: I just tinker with Vim and talk on IRC.
[19:40:00] Beirdo: why do I feel like programming?
[19:40:00] jasta: :)
[19:41:00] Beirdo: and when exactly am I gonna find time for that?
[19:41:00] kormoc: Beirdo, you could say code hello world quick!
[19:42:00] Beirdo: nah, I was more thinking of taking that MUD and gutting the core of it
[19:42:00] Beirdo: that's a LARGE project
[19:42:00] Beirdo: I have no time for such fun
[19:42:00] Beirdo: maybe AFTER I get married
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[19:42:00] Beirdo: but certainly not now
[19:43:00] kormoc: hehe, fair nuff
[19:43:00] Beirdo: take it from the monolithic ugly POS it is... make it multi-threaded, and finish the flatfile->SQL conversion
[19:44:00] Beirdo: that would take me a few months of every evening, and NO way she'd let me away with that right now
[19:44:00] a1fa: hey
[19:44:00] a1fa: i just compiled
[19:45:00] Beirdo: oh, and make it 64-bit safe too. that will be fun
[19:45:00] kormoc: Beirdo, ahh, well, you could always say, "It's our love mud! I need to work on it to show how much I love you!" :P
[19:45:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:45:00] Beirdo: welll.... we DID meet on a MUD
[19:45:00] Beirdo: but not that one
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[19:47:00] Beirdo: and I wanna finish nuvtools
[19:47:00] Beirdo: but I have like 0 time for it right now
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[19:51:00] xris: heh
[19:51:00] xris: Beirdo: should just update the mpeg2 cut that's now in mythtranscode
[19:51:00] xris: bypass nuvexport altogether
[19:51:00] Beirdo: that too
[19:51:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:51:00] Beirdo: but first... need time
[19:51:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:52:00] Beirdo: and gputrans...
[19:52:00] xris: heh
[19:52:00] Beirdo: the older I get, the more I realize I'm just like my dad... I take on FAR too many things at once
[19:52:00] xris: yeah, I know the feeling
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[19:54:00] jasta: i hate working
[19:54:00] jasta: but it is lunch time, so thats nice.
[19:57:00] a1fa: how do you tell mythtv to use lirc?
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[20:00:00] a1fa: $ irxevent &
[20:00:00] a1fa: there we go
[20:00:00] a1fa: :P
[20:01:00] a1fa: tadaaa ;P
[20:01:00] MrSpiffy: eoe
[20:01:00] a1fa: dude.. my box has been shutting down for some reason
[20:01:00] MrSpiffy: lots of people in this group now
[20:01:00] a1fa: i come home. my mythtv box is down
[20:01:00] a1fa: i dont know if it is the heat or what
[20:02:00] MrSpiffy: bummer alfa
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[20:02:00] a1fa: yeah dude
[20:02:00] a1fa: the box is a piece of shit
[20:03:00] MrSpiffy: oh a p.o.s model
[20:03:00] MrSpiffy: I know them well
[20:03:00] a1fa: 80 gb hd. ATHLON XP 1800+ not capable of going above 1.39mhz
[20:03:00] a1fa: 256 ram
[20:03:00] MrSpiffy: usually found at cheap companies though
[20:03:00] MrSpiffy: amd?
[20:03:00] MrSpiffy: ohhhh
[20:03:00] a1fa: in a big case with bunch of ide cables blocking airflow
[20:03:00] a1fa: yup
[20:03:00] MrSpiffy: hot hot hot
[20:03:00] MrSpiffy: got room in the case for addional fan/s ?
[20:04:00] a1fa: i am going to go by salvation army
[20:04:00] a1fa: and pickup an old vcr
[20:04:00] a1fa: or something with a nice case
[20:04:00] MrSpiffy: I once had a amd k series 459
[20:04:00] MrSpiffy: super super hot
[20:05:00] MrSpiffy: alfa cvr case? interesting
[20:05:00] MrSpiffy: break out the dremel tool?
[20:05:00] MrSpiffy: franken-pc
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[20:06:00] a1fa: yeah
[20:06:00] a1fa: yu[
[20:07:00] MrSpiffy: interesting
[20:07:00] MrSpiffy: for a set top box?
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[20:13:00] a1fa: tra
[20:14:00] a1fa: yeah
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[20:24:00] a1fa: i am also going to buy those tidy ide cables
[20:25:00] a1fa: help out with air flow
[20:25:00] MrSpiffy: um
[20:25:00] a1fa: i dont know why is it shutting down tho
[20:25:00] a1fa: at first i thought it was mythtv
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[20:26:00] a1fa: power savings or what not
[20:26:00] MrSpiffy: you may need fannage big time. a set top box that sounds like a jet isn't too cool though
[20:26:00] a1fa: water cooling brother
[20:26:00] MrSpiffy: no kidding
[20:26:00] a1fa: i am going to buy engine coolant
[20:26:00] a1fa: and cool that bitch
[20:26:00] MrSpiffy: aren't we the plucky one
[20:26:00] a1fa: i am allready over the budget for this week
[20:26:00] MrSpiffy: interesting project
[20:27:00] a1fa: yeah ;P
[20:27:00] a1fa: streamzap came in today
[20:30:00] Chutt: xris, trac doesn't have an easy revert button for wiki pages?
[20:30:00] hfb: Anyone have any suggestions on what to adjust on MythTV, XBMC, XBMCMYTHV to avoid the occasional (1 second or so) freeze while using xbmcmythtv to watch a recorded show from a Mythtv server?
[20:34:00] mofu: anyone using HD3000 w/QAM256 ??
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[20:40:00] TSWoodV: What's the current deal with the HDTV cards? Exactly where are they useful? Only OTA broadcasts, or are they needed for HD cable?
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[20:41:00] pookSter: TSWoodV, you can receive HD unencrypted cable signals with these cards
[20:42:00] pookSter: I believe there is an HD5000 that does this
[20:42:00] pookSter: but you need to check with your cable company to make sure they are "in the clear"
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[20:42:00] pookSter: I'm not sure if they have one with the cablecard slot in yet..
[20:43:00] TSWoodV: pookSter: Unencrypted. So I need to verify with my cable monkeys that they're "in the clear"? What exactly do I ask them?
[20:43:00] TSWoodV: It's not like they're geniuses at the helpdesk ;-)
[20:44:00] pookSter: I have no experience with cable tv, but I assume that some companies will "encrypt " the signal to make sure you use their cable box or cable card
[20:44:00] TSWoodV: 2nd question: What's up with mplayer? I can't play DVDs. Complains about the output device and about alsa on FC4.
[20:44:00] Chutt: this isn't the mplayer help channel.
[20:44:00] mofu: TSWoodV: don't ask, they will have NO CLUE, best to get info in avsforum.com
[20:44:00] TSWoodV: pookSter: And encrypted I'm guessing is the standard way for cable companies to run. How about satellite? I'm guessing the same thing. Therefore, what good does a HD card do in practical terms?
[20:45:00] TSWoodV: mofu: Thanks for the pointer to avsforum.com.
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[20:46:00] pookSter: well, in my area an HD5000 card would work as my cable company broadcasts in the clear
[20:46:00] pookSter: so you really have to ask what you need to get their signal in HD
[20:46:00] mofu: going through the scan process on my HD3000 card, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, WB HD are all clear across Comcast-Detroit
[20:47:00] mofu: also might get DiscoveryHD, and Universal HD, which is a pleasant surprise
[20:47:00] pookSter: Does an HD3000 do cable? I thought it was only OTA
[20:47:00] TSWoodV: Cool. There *is* hope, at least for now, of HD utility for these cards.
[20:47:00] TSWoodV: I've got Sony HDR-FX1 HD cameras, but I'll feed them in through firewire.
[20:47:00] mofu: pookSter: the new dvb drivers support QAM256
[20:47:00] pookSter: ah, tnx mofu...good to know
[20:48:00] TSWoodV: Chutt: I know this isn't the mplayer support channel, but it's a piece of mythtv AFAICT. So I thought I'd ask here.
[20:49:00] Chutt: no, it's not a piece of mythtv.
[20:49:00] TSWoodV: Chutt: I know it's a separate package. But to play DVDs/VCDs through the menus, it's used.
[20:49:00] mofu: trying to figure out whether I can stick w/ 0.18.1 or need to use something later . . . .
[20:49:00] Chutt: most people use other programs.
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[20:50:00] kahuna_: "
[20:50:00] pookSter: hey kahuna
[20:52:00] TSWoodV: Chutt: And after seeing the (lack of) results of mplayer, alternatives are making more and more sense to me.
[20:53:00] xris: Chutt: don't think so... view revision, copy, paste.
[20:53:00] Chutt: yeah
[20:56:00] kormoc: TSWoodV, try xine and everything you need to know is in man xine
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[21:03:00] a1fa: does mythtv shutdown your box after inactivity for 24h?
[21:03:00] laga: i'd kick mythtv really hard if it did that
[21:03:00] a1fa: ok
[21:03:00] a1fa: i come home my box is completly turne doff
[21:03:00] dev-: in the crotch
[21:04:00] a1fa: i am thinking powersupply is giving out
[21:04:00] dev-: or it overheated
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[21:04:00] a1fa: hm.. the bios is not set to turn it off
[21:04:00] dev-: then thats probably wasnt it :)
[21:04:00] a1fa: hm.. the power supply fan is not blowing as hard
[21:04:00] a1fa: that could be the problem
[21:04:00] dev-: need to get b00ze brb
[21:05:00] a1fa: that powersupply is giving up?
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[21:06:00] Krazyleg1: Is kormoc around?
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[21:06:00] kormoc: nope, no kormocs around this place at all
[21:06:00] kormoc: waz up Mr. Krazylegz
[21:07:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[21:08:00] ** laga re-yawns **
[21:08:00] Krazylegz: Yo.
[21:09:00] Krazylegz: You told me before how to setup my Mythbox for the new channel lineup since I moved.
[21:09:00] kormoc: yeah?
[21:09:00] Krazylegz: I lost that conversation. :-(
[21:10:00] Krazylegz: I need to re-run mythtv-setup, tell it to clear all information, and then run mythfilldatabase ?
[21:10:00] kormoc: yup
[21:10:00] Krazylegz: Thanks!
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[21:13:00] visik7: hi
[21:13:00] kahuna_: Hi guys.
[21:13:00] Krazylegz: visik7: Interesting hostname.
[21:13:00] kahuna_: yah.
[21:14:00] visik7: in the faq of freenode is explained how to do it
[21:15:00] Krazylegz: I don't care to change mine for Freenode.
[21:15:00] kahuna_: what to be celibate?
[21:16:00] Beirdo: kahuna_: that's easy, just spend all your time on IRC
[21:16:00] visik7: can I use another database type a part from mysql ?
[21:16:00] Beirdo: visik7: nope
[21:16:00] Krazylegz: Not at this time.
[21:16:00] visik7: Beirdo: and wy is there a menu ? :)
[21:17:00] Beirdo: huh?
[21:17:00] visik7: a menu to choose from mysql
[21:17:00] visik7: and stop
[21:17:00] Beirdo: I don't know what you are talking about
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[21:18:00] kahuna_: smoking too much crack visik7?
[21:19:00] visik7: no there is a menu
[21:19:00] visik7: and the only selectable option is mysql
[21:19:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, I know that menu in mythtv-setup.
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[21:19:00] Krazylegz: It's called "planning".
[21:23:00] visik7: :)
[21:23:00] laga: duh. i dont like "auto expire"
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[21:24:00] kahuna_: I haven't used myth enough to know about auto expire. Is it enabled by default and what is the default time window?
[21:25:00] laga: kahuna_: good questions.
[21:25:00] Krazylegz: Yes by default, it's not a "time" expiration.
[21:25:00] kahuna_: Space then>?
[21:25:00] Krazylegz: Yes.
[21:26:00] clintar__: anyone know a good svn revision that still worked with hdtv?
[21:26:00] clintar__: er, with firewire
[21:26:00] clintar__: sorry, i have a fever
[21:27:00] kahuna_: lol
[21:27:00] Krazylegz: Fever + Mythbox = fire.
[21:27:00] kahuna_: I'm not laughing because your'e sick, I'm laughing cause I never heard that one before.
[21:28:00] clintar__: i don't mind, laugh all you want
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[21:34:00] a1fa: ttyl
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[22:28:00] The_Tick: is there a caller id system for myth?
[22:29:00] mofu: yes
[22:30:00] The_Tick: oh sweet
[22:30:00] The_Tick: got a link?
[22:30:00] The_Tick: I googled and couldn't find anything
[22:30:00] mofu: I think its one of the standard plug ins
[22:32:00] The_Tick: cool, thanks
[22:32:00] ** The_Tick digs to see if it does bluetoof **
[22:34:00] mofu: the current version needs a modem to listen to the phone line, anything more complicated will probably need Asterisk or something close
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[22:34:00] mofu: even then I don't bluetooth support is complete in *
[22:34:00] whiskers: I was able to get myth tv working last night by using knoppmyth, but i couldnt changel channels, how do you change channels?
[22:35:00] The_Tick: mofu: ya, which sucks
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[22:35:00] mofu: up/down, type number
[22:35:00] whiskers: i tried all the arrow keys but all they did was rewind or fast forward
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[22:37:00] whiskers: hmm perhaps i didnt set up the channels correctly
[22:39:00] whiskers: i remember the scan didnt work, it wanted me to set up channels manually, and it said number of channels 12
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[22:58:00] Symmetry: where does mythtv get its content from?
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[22:58:00] Symmetry: i read that yahoo is allying with tivo..
[22:58:00] Symmetry: so content will be on the web i presume
[22:59:00] Symmetry: im curious because im building a windows media center version and want to know how ot get that 'tivo' content
[23:01:00] The_Tick: buy a tivo
[23:01:00] Symmetry: fuck off you damn kid..
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[23:01:00] kormoc: Symmetry, myth gets it's content directly from the cable line
[23:01:00] kormoc: wow
[23:01:00] The_Tick: man
[23:01:00] The_Tick: talk about anger
[23:01:00] dev-: anger? what where? whati miss!
[23:02:00] ChanServ sets mode +o Beirdo
[23:02:00] The_Tick: some dude got angry because I summarized
[23:02:00] dev-: heh
[23:02:00] Beirdo sets mode +b Symmetry!*@*
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[23:02:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:02:00] kormoc: you should have invited him back and then banned him!
[23:02:00] dev-: thats a weird question, where does mythtv get its content from? heh
[23:02:00] Beirdo: in case he feels like continuing it... remind me to remove it later
[23:02:00] Beirdo sets mode -o Beirdo
[23:02:00] dev-: it gets it from martians
[23:02:00] The_Tick: I just find his reaction funny
[23:02:00] Beirdo: I think he meant the TV programming info
[23:03:00] kormoc: dev-, he assumed it was like a large bittorrent network or somethin
[23:03:00] dev-: kormoc: haha
[23:03:00] Beirdo: oh
[23:03:00] dev-: my cat on my lap is even laughing at him
[23:03:00] Beirdo: maybe not
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[23:03:00] Beirdo: (dillhole)--
[23:03:00] dev-: hehe
[23:03:00] The_Tick: hmm
[23:03:00] The_Tick: he quit, so eh
[23:07:00] Beirdo: beer me
[23:08:00] ** Krazylegz hands Beirdo a beer **
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[23:08:00] Beirdo: thank ye
[23:08:00] ** Beirdo chugs **
[23:09:00] ** Beirdo belches **
[23:10:00] Krazylegz: I have to get a case of Miller Lite can for people to shotgun this saturday.
[23:10:00] Beirdo: that's not beer
[23:10:00] Beirdo: I piss stronger stuff than that
[23:10:00] kormoc: Mmm... Spear the beer
[23:11:00] Beirdo: now THAT is a good use for Miller Lite :)
[23:12:00] Beirdo: but then again, I'm a Canadian. lite yank beer really doesn't turn my crank :)
[23:12:00] kormoc: oh, trust me Beirdo, there's beers around here that are too strong for the likes of Canadians :P
[23:12:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:12:00] Beirdo: not likely
[23:13:00] The_Tick: not like we get xxxx down here
[23:13:00] kormoc: http://www.arrogantbastard.com/
[23:13:00] Beirdo: you ever tried Fin Du Monde?
[23:13:00] The_Tick: best most people find is bass
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[23:13:00] kormoc: Beirdo, I have, I found it was quite good, but not really strong
[23:14:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:14:00] Beirdo: alcoholically, it's quite strong
[23:14:00] Beirdo: more alcohol than wine
[23:14:00] kormoc: more then vodka?
[23:14:00] Beirdo: no
[23:14:00] kormoc: then it's not that strong ;)
[23:14:00] Beirdo: but for BEER, it's pretty strong
[23:15:00] kormoc: hehe, fair nuff :)
[23:15:00] Krazylegz: We have Victory Brewing around here, pretty potent stuff.
[23:15:00] Beirdo: compared to my Bacardi 151... it's total piss
[23:15:00] Krazylegz: http://victorybeer.com/
[23:15:00] Krazylegz: Haha.
[23:15:00] Krazylegz: The Miller Lite this weekend is because I moved out to hicksville.
[23:15:00] kormoc: one day Beirdo, I'll have Kormoc's Spicy 181 vodka...
[23:15:00] Beirdo: 181?
[23:15:00] Beirdo: hahaha
[23:15:00] Beirdo: good luck
[23:16:00] Krazylegz: 190 proof everclear + a few drops of 100 proof vodka?
[23:16:00] kormoc: Beirdo, a man can dream!
[23:16:00] Beirdo: 95% (everclear) isn't 95% for long once it's open
[23:16:00] Beirdo: it absorbs water from the atmosphere
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[23:16:00] Beirdo: tis hard to get > 90% and keep it that way
[23:17:00] Krazylegz: Right.
[23:17:00] Beirdo: but 75.5% from 151 proof is good enough to kill anyone here. Anything past that's a bonus
[23:17:00] Krazylegz: Do it quick!
[23:18:00] Beirdo: mmmm, now I feel like drinking rum
[23:18:00] Beirdo: doh
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[23:18:00] Beirdo: oh oh
[23:19:00] Beirdo: an aussie
[23:19:00] Beirdo: run away
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[23:19:00] Beirdo: just kidding...
[23:20:00] kormoc: Beirdo, the best thing bout it will be not only will it be 181 proof, I'm hoping for 1,810,000 scoville. So not only does it burn with the power of alcohol, but with the power of capsation to boot!
[23:20:00] ** kormoc laughs evily **
[23:20:00] Beirdo: you are a nutcase :)
[23:21:00] Beirdo: light it on fire and burn yourself in two ways simultaneous
[23:21:00] Beirdo: ly
[23:21:00] Krazylegz: So, it's really spicy hot?
[23:21:00] Beirdo: 1.8M scoville? yeah
[23:21:00] Beirdo: insanely hot
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[23:22:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, it's not /that/ hot, only about say, 9 to 3 x hotter then habanaro peppers.
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[23:23:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:23:00] dzen_: hi
[23:23:00] dzen_: is there any american guys ?
[23:23:00] kormoc: nope, we're all english here
[23:24:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:24:00] Krazylegz: Aye.
[23:24:00] Krazylegz: We come from the land down unda.
[23:24:00] Beirdo: I ain't English
[23:24:00] The_Tick: I'm texan
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[23:24:00] dzen_: just look at this page
[23:24:00] dzen_: 00:10 <+vAnish> http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/818/cnn3as.jpg
[23:24:00] kormoc: chip chip bloody cherio
[23:25:00] kormoc: dzen_, why?
[23:25:00] dzen_: toulouse is not there
[23:25:00] dzen_: :(
[23:25:00] Beirdo: screw you, eh?
[23:25:00] Beirdo: it is now, dzen_
[23:25:00] Beirdo: CNN says so
[23:25:00] dzen_: yes
[23:25:00] dzen_: so wait a real map of france
[23:26:00] ** kormoc blinks wonderign what just happened **
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[23:26:00] Beirdo: kormoc, don't worry bout it
[23:27:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
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[23:31:00] fatmatt: Beirdo: whats wrong with us Aussies?
[23:32:00] dzen_: so men, there is a real map of france
[23:32:00] dzen_: http://www.traindunet.com/telechargement/Carte.jpg
[23:32:00] dzen_: I think CNN make a mistake
[23:33:00] hburch: Does anyone have MPEG TS encoding working well on a Hauppauge 350?
[23:33:00] dzen_: :D
[23:33:00] hburch: Mine is periodically stuttering
[23:33:00] Krazylegz: I use MPEG-PS, I believe.
[23:33:00] fatmatt: my wifes agitating for a new remote for the mythtv box, anyone got ideas?
[23:33:00] hburch: Yeah, MPEG-PS works fine.
[23:34:00] mofu: its probably stuttering on playback, not encoding
[23:34:00] mofu: have you checked the NUV files?
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[23:35:00] mofu: fatmatt: what are you using now?
[23:35:00] hburch: Well, I tried catting /dev/video0 to a file, and mplayer was not happy with the results (it was happy with the MPEG-PS stream)
[23:35:00] simon_c_home: fatmatt: do you just need the remote control, or do you need the receiver too ?
[23:36:00] fatmatt: mofu: I've got a usb/IR thing that came with my visionplus, pretty crap, thinking I might use to opportunity to put another dtv card into the machine as well
[23:36:00] Beirdo: fatmatt, nothing's wrong with Aussies :)
[23:38:00] Beirdo: well, most of em
[23:38:00] fatmatt: oh, and while I'm here.... has anyone else noticed the issues with mdz's plugins? I can't seem to get most of them to work, are there alternate debian packages?
[23:38:00] fatmatt: Beirdo: thanks for the clarification
[23:39:00] Agrajag-: there's something wrong with john howard!
[23:39:00] fatmatt: I'm a bit suss about a few of my fellow Aussies myself
[23:39:00] Beirdo: I'm just in a silly mood :)
[23:39:00] mofu: fattmatt, what version of Debian?
[23:40:00] fatmatt: testing
[23:41:00] linagee: test failed
[23:41:00] mofu: Debian goes through its post release cycle of polluting Sid and testing, that may be your problem, I reverted to full Sarge and compiled from mdz's source packages . . . .
[23:42:00] fatmatt: mofu: sarge is stable isn't it?
[23:43:00] mofu: yep, 3.1 Stable/Sarge
[23:43:00] kormoc: erm
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[23:43:00] mofu: would be nice if someone would keep a repository of Myth/Sarge now that its been out 6 months
[23:44:00] kormoc: isn't woody the one that gets renamed to sarge and then destroyed?
[23:44:00] Beirdo: destroying a woody should be a crime
[23:44:00] fatmatt: mofu: and you have all the plugins working? video, browser etc?
[23:44:00] mofu: woody = old stable
[23:44:00] kormoc: Beirdo, depends on how it's "destroyed"
[23:44:00] mofu: fatmatt: no, my boxes are rather streamlined right now,
[23:44:00] Beirdo: hmmm, good point
[23:45:00] fatmatt: I've been having issues with it for months, tried compiling from source a few months ago but there were dependency issues with konqueror that meant I needed some unstable packages.
[23:46:00] mofu: fatmatt, I have a few packages from backports . . . . what on earth is dependent on Konqueror?? MythWeb?
[23:46:00] mofu: err, MythBrowser
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[23:46:00] dzen_: hey :p yepah CNN :)
[23:46:00] dzen_: http://www.korrupted.info/CNN_Geography/CNN_Geography.jpg
[23:47:00] fatmatt: mofu: yeah, think it was that, was a while ago...
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[23:50:00] kormoc: dzen_, nonono, you see, that's where we're gonna be MOVING those citys.
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[23:51:00] simcop2387: mythtvosd needs the ability to work in mythfrontend
[23:51:00] dzen_: kormoc: I don't understand. what do you mean
[23:51:00] dzen_: ?
[23:51:00] Beirdo: hahaha
[23:51:00] kormoc: dzen_, the us is gonna move those citys around
[23:51:00] dzen_: AH
[23:52:00] Beirdo: carpet bombing of course
[23:52:00] mofu: simcop2387: you mean over the top of menus?
[23:52:00] dzen_: They will take the power of france :P
[23:52:00] simcop2387: mofu: yea
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[23:55:00] simcop2387: i wish i had something like mythtvosd for doing all the menu's on my computer with lirc
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[23:55:00] Beirdo: heya, MajestiK.
[23:55:00] fatmatt: so, is stable the way to go with debian and a mythtv box these days?
[23:56:00] simcop2387: i always choose slackware myself, but thats just me
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[23:56:00] simcop2387: any reasonably stable distro should work i'd imagine
[23:57:00] ** simon_c_home uses suse **
[23:57:00] mofu: fatmatt: in my opinion, I had a unstable box go south on me after being rock solid for like 9 months . . . unfortunate ugrade/update
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[23:57:00] Beirdo: what's an "ugrade" :)
[23:58:00] mofu: up_
[23:58:00] Lightning: evening
[23:58:00] Lightning: so have the number of questions about broken live-tv risen since the code commit?
[23:58:00] mofu: apt-get upgrade is not always your friend, especially in testing or unstable
[23:58:00] dzen_: as emerge -uD world
[23:58:00] sandos: Ive never have testing borked my installs anyway, but I know it happens
[23:58:00] fatmatt: mofu: my problem with mythtv/debian in that past has been that updates of mythtv often required some unstable packages so I was running a mixed testing/unstable,
[23:58:00] mofu: Lightning: wonderful world of svn . . . .
[23:59:00] dzen_: and etc-update on gntoo
[23:59:00] sandos: I dont do apt-get upgrade every day though...
[23:59:00] Lightning: mofu: true, but how many truely know how to use it compared to just getting latest? :)
[23:59:00] mofu: fatmatt: the core packages will compile completely against Sarge.

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