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Saturday, November 5th, 2005, 00:00 UTC

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marmoset:

Is there a clear winner for OTA HDTV between air2pc and the HD3000? From reading the faq I'm not sure which one I should get.

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bill2or3:

anyone doing front-end on a mac mini?

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Ryushin:

bill2or3: Well, from what I've been reading, the OTA stations are sent over cable unencypted (most of the time). But comcast hides the pid (or something like that) so simple scanning won't find them. Other cable providers don't hide the pid and you're able to find them through scanning.

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bill2or3:

so how can you find the pids?

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bill2or3:

and also, what card are you using?

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bill2or3:

marmoset, I just got a HD3000 and it seems pretty nice.

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Ryushin:

marmoset: Well, I have the HD3000. It's a good card. I've been reading that the new air2pc v5 card doesn't need to send the entire signal over the pci bus, or some such thing. I'm thinking of getting another HD card and the air2pc card is going to be that card. At least I will have both and I can make a good comparrison.

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bill2or3:

I dont know anything aobu the air2pc

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Ryushin:

bill2or3: You have to use the dvb scanning tools to piece everything together when scanning over QAM. I googled A LOT fo find the steps. In the end, it just wasn't worth it to me, and I went OTA. Oh, and comast has been known to change the frequencies on the QAM stations, and you'll need to go refind them all over again.

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Ryushin:

bill2or3: have you started using the HD-3000 card yet? Are you doing XvMC with it?

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adante:

is there a way to make mythtranscode act a little less aggressively in the background? it's disrupting my watching of other shows

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adante:

or, to disable it when i'm watching tv/video

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Ryushin:

adante: It should be running at a nice value of 19. It shouldn't affect other shows unless it's IO bound.

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bill2or3:

Ryu, I've got it set up, but I'm currently fighting with my xfree drivers, so I only have software mpeg decoding.

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Ryushin:

bill2or3: What kind of proc and vid card are you using?

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bill2or3:

ryu, you were scanning comcast on a hd3k

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Ryushin:

Yea.

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bill2or3:

a radeon 9200 on a dual pIII-750

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bill2or3:

which is getting replaced..

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Ryushin:

Did cable, cable-hr3.

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adante:

Ryushin: yeah, i figured it's the hdio which is causing the problem

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bill2or3:

I'll have to look around for a cable and see if I can get anything.

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Ryushin:

You can do HD on a PIII-750? Boy, my little overclocked sempron 64 to 2 ghz is pulling 80–85% to do libmpeg2 decoding.

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Ryushin:

I've been posting on the dev channel, and DanielK has been helping me figure out why the HD-3000 is stuttering using XvMC.

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bill2or3:

I cant do hd, I get like 1 fps

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Ryushin:

Right now though, I think he's given up on it. Pitty though, since XvMC worked find in 18.1 and not in the current SVN.

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bill2or3:

I'm gonna get a proper nvidia card, with decent drivers.

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bill2or3:

and a new mobo..

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bill2or3:

and...

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bill2or3:

and...

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bill2or3:

do you know what pixelview model the hd3000 really is?

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bill2or3:

I wasn't able to track it down.

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Lightning:

evening

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Ryushin:

pixelview model? I don't understand?

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Lightning:

i see xris was busy with patches

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Lightning:

Gumby, dare i ask who you know to end up with your hostmask hidden?

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** jasta is curious how this commercial skipping algorithm works. **

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Lightning:

i think it looks for a frame that is completely one color (minus any logo of course in the corner)

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jasta:

And then just toggles that back and forth? It seems to be more sophisticated than that from the code.

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Lightning:

i'd have to actually look. i'm going off the top of my head

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jasta:

I'll keep reading then.

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Lightning:

which file?

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Lightning:

now i'm curious

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jasta:

the logic is better exposed in the caller (NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp it seems)

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jasta:

It seems to be that the commercial detection alogrithm is implemented in a more sophisticated manner than it is actually used.

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jasta:

since it appears to do as you say, only looking for blank frames.

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jasta:

but commercial_detect.cpp can be more verbose than that.

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Lightning:

i was simply going based on a comment in svn i saw on a patch. i havent delved into the code to see how it all functions, although I am planning on becoming more familar

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laga:

it's more sophisticated than blank frame detection.

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Lightning:

not very well commented :P

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jasta:

Lightning: no, not very much :)

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Lightning:

my boss would kill me over such code. at least tell what a loop is doing

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jasta:

interesting utility called mythcommflag

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xris:

Lightning: would have been even more productive if jasta wasn't being so social. :)

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jasta:

what do you expect? i'm at work. ;)

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jasta:

and im going on vacation this weekend. i can't get anything done today :)

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jasta:

im even dodging out of here early.

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Lightning:

heh

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** Lightning pops some chicken wings into the microwave **

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Lightning:

this is killing me, i have got to get the hardware together for a dedicated myth box and do some dev

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Lightning:

i assume an old p75 wouldnt work :P

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jasta:

i could steal one of these PIII 600's from work for ya :P

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Lightning:

i have a comp spec'd, i just need to balance my budget first before i lay out the money due to just moving into the house

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Lightning:

havent even been here long enough to get the first mortgage payment

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Ryushin:

I'm compiling the 2.6.14 kernel. I'm wondering about the patches here: http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/video4linux/patches/2.6.14/

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Ryushin:

Is there a all patch somewhere that includes all of these?

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seanw:

does anyone know whow to compile mythtv on ubuntu?

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laga:

./configure; make mythtv.pro; make; make install

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laga:

./configure; qmake mythtv.pro; make; make install

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laga:

i mean

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seanw:

qmake is an invalid command

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laga:

did you read the mythtv docs?

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Lightning:

nothing like eating by the light of the 2 21" monitors

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seanw:

yes

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Led-Hed:

Lightning, With all that radiation you're gonna start glowing.....

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prologic:

Is there some reason I cannot get any audio (only video) while doing 2 unvexports ?

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prologic:

audio is normally working (ie: music)

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laga:

seanw: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.2 <- read this.

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Lightning:

i havent yet in the last 13 years

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Led-Hed:

you've been running dual 21" monitors for 13 years?

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Lightning:

no, i've been programming for 13 years and not having a life

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Led-Hed:

life is important, but generaly sucks...

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prologic:

oh congrads I've been programming for 12 years

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prologic:

*meh*

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prologic:

can anyone give a hint/answer to my question at all ? :)

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Led-Hed:

programming zero. Still no life

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Lightning:

Led-Hed, got a loving GF who appoves, enjoys star trek, and helps me work on the car

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prologic:

wow I must be on everyon's ignore list

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prologic:

cool :)

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Lightning:

prologic, no idea

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prologic:

I take it noone does any nuvexports and then tried to watch some more tv :)

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Lightning:

heh

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Led-Hed:

13yrs ago my GF turned into my Wife. Its all been a dull blur ever since....

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prologic:

oh well least I'm not talking to a brick wall now :P

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prologic:

Led-Hed, that' sucks :(

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prologic:

liven up the marriage a bit!

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prologic:

do something exiciting!

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Led-Hed:

its called "married with children"

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prologic:

bah

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prologic:

even my mum has fun

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prologic:

and she has 7 children

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** prologic leaves now **

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prologic:

:)

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Led-Hed:

I have 4 autistic kids. It doesnt leave a lot of time for fun.....

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** prologic sighs **

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prologic:

yes the world is defective, I'm sorry :/

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prologic:

laterz

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Led-Hed:

The closest I get to fun is when my Myth goes on the Fritz and I get to pull my hair out trying to fix it, cuz the kids cant last 5 minutes without the Sponge Bob collection stored on it....

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** Lightning hands Led-Hed a powerful magnet **

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Led-Hed:

:)

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Lightning:

if they complain, tell them it will only hurt for a sec

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Led-Hed:

Seriously though I cant take it down for even an hour without someone in the house freaking out.

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Led-Hed:

3 of the 4 kids cant speak. So talking to them is usless....

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Led-Hed:

gotta run, laterz....

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Lightning:

cya

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simon_c:

hi all.

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simon_c:

I'm trying to edit a recording in myth, but I'm getting a message "[mpeg4 @ 0x40997bb4]warning: first frame is no keyframe"

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simon_c:

Anyone any clues ?

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feld:

can anyone tell me the default commands that MythTv uses for MythVideo/MythDVD for video, dvd, and vcd playback? i changed them for xine but i want to use mplayer instead now.....

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spiderworm:

hi all, i just upgraded my mythtv ubuntu hoary box to ubuntu breezy, it appears to have gone well, mythbackend is running, but i cant start the frontend because it complains that the theme Iulius is missing.... anyone know what package i might find the theme in, or what config file i can use to set it back to the default theme?

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simon_c:

is skipping forward/backwards through a recording harder once it's been transcoded ?

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simon_c:

or have I got something horrible going on on one of my disks.

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simon_c:

:-/

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simon_c:

Hummm. I'm guessing it's something wrong I've set in the recording options. :-/

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Bricktop:

If I am using sampron 2500 and I have 1.54% cpu usage then, I'm 100% hardware decoding right?

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Bricktop:

(when watching tv+xmms)

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simon_c:

I'd have thought so, yes.

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spiderworm:

can anybody tell me how to reset back to the default theme

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spiderworm:

wow i guess i picked the wrong place to ask questions

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GreyFoxx:

iulius: Is in "Myththemes". No idea about how ubuntu packages things

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spiderworm:

it was in /usr/share/mythtv/themes but was erased by the upgrade

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spiderworm:

i would like to reset to the default theme

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spiderworm:

theres nothing i can find in ~/.mythtv

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spiderworm:

nothing i can find in /etc/mythtv

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spiderworm:

nothing i can find in /usr/share/mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

All of the config is stored in the sql database

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spiderworm:

ahhhhhh

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spiderworm:

thank you :D

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GreyFoxx:

I don't know of any "reset" option per say

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spiderworm:

maybe i just delete the record?

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GreyFoxx:

though a commandline option to mythfronend to pick a theme for just such an instance might be useful

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GreyFoxx:

hold on

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GreyFoxx:

update settings set data="blue" where value="Theme"; should do it I thnk

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GreyFoxx:

blue is the default

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GreyFoxx:

of course I hope that is still installed :)

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GreyFoxx:

good luck :)

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** GreyFoxx goes **

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spiderworm:

:)

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spiderworm:

that was it

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spiderworm:

ty so much

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spiderworm:

wife will spare my life

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Chutt:

hahaha

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kormoc:

Chutt, ooh? some uhh... 'nice' reading material posted today?

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Chutt:

yeah

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Chutt:

more of that moron from mit

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Bricktop:

I whink is discovered why my video flickers

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Bricktop:

when I change the aspect to wide, it

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Bricktop:

OK

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Bricktop:

16:9 Fine

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Bricktop:

4:3 BAD!!!

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Bricktop:

so maybe my height resolution is somewhat bad.

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prologic:

umm

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prologic:

how come mythtv keeps turning down the damn volume on my card ?

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Chutt:

recording volume is one of the settings in the recording profiles.

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prologic:

argg

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prologic:

k

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Bricktop:

I changed my screen resolution to 640x480 and now the X is too big for my screen

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Bricktop:

moving the mouse, moves the picture ;)

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Bricktop:

how can I make X Scale to Fit?

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prologic:

ahh

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prologic:

I want a recording volume of 100%

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Chutt:

default's 80%, i think?

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prologic:

90%

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prologic:

I think

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Chutt:

ah

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prologic:

not sure

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Chutt:

something around there

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prologic:

some ridicoulous stupiid value :)

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Chutt:

heh

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prologic:

have to turn up amp!

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Chutt:

naw, you're using a pvr-150 or 500?

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Bricktop:

how can I make X sacle to fit?

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prologic:

nex tthing, if I set defauls to pre-record 5mins and post-record 10mins

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Chutt:

they've got funky volume controls

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prologic:

does this apply to any scedule program, new and existing ?

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prologic:

without me having to set it manually per program

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Chutt:

yup

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Chutt:

the global value is optional

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prologic:

hwoever mythtv still reports that i'll record on-time right ?

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Chutt:

the scheduler will discard it if it fixes a conflict.

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Chutt:

the per-recording schedule options are not optional, and won't be discarded even if they would cause a conflict.

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IRC:

is anybody in this irc?

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IRC:

hello?

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Bricktop:

yep

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atomjack:

i'm trying to convert an mpg mythtv recorded (with my pvr-350) but every tool i use to load it (like tmpgenc, tmpgenc dvd author, etc) says it's an Illegal MPG Stream. what gives?

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jd86:

for transcoding, is it the bitrate that really makes the difference?

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kormoc:

atomjack, try nuvexport

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kormoc:

atomjack, it's a program designed to help out with exporting mythtv recordings into other formats

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atomjack:

yeah that wont work cause it was just a buffer that i grabbed

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atomjack:

it wasnt an actual program i set to record

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atomjack:

i'm trying avidemux2 now

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kormoc:

ahh, can mplayer play it?

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kormoc:

cause if it can, mencoder can recode it to almost anything

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atomjack:

well i can play it with media player classic on my windows box

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atomjack:

im gonna try to just cut what i want out of it with avidemux2

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Lightning:

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticl . . . ID=173402762 ouch, glad i dont have to record that to a harddrive. 24Gb/sec

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Bricktop:

how can i lower the buffer mythtv uses for livetv???

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Bricktop:

i want the livetv to be as live as possible :)

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Bricktop:

can i tweak it?

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atomjack:

you can set the size of the buffer in setup on the front end

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Bricktop:

In what menu?

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atomjack:

i dont remember exactly where

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atomjack:

there's a slider and to the right is a digital read-out looking figure of the size in MB if IIRC

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Bricktop:

not in mythtv-setup right?

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atomjack:

no

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atomjack:

frontend setup

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atomjack:

like

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atomjack:

settings and stuff

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Bricktop:

Looking ...

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Bricktop:

HD Ringbuffer size?

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atomjack:

i think so yeah

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Chutt:

mythtv-setup, first section

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atomjack:

oops

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atomjack:

sorry

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Bricktop:

:)

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Chutt:

everyone needs to mail that f-mythtv-users@media.mit.edu and tell him he's a moron

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Chutt:

since he's going on about how he's getting so much email about how his 'bug list' is right on the money

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Bricktop:

Minimum freeLive TV buffer(MB) ???

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Bricktop:

thats it?

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atomjack:

anyone know how i can convert an mpg my pvr-350 made in myth to a format that i can convert to dvd? it's all messed up...

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Chutt:

bricktop, the other one

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Bricktop:

Live TV buffer (GB)???

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Chutt:

yup

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Chutt:

that won't change how far behind it is, of course

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Bricktop:

But thats how much you allow the buffer to grow

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Bricktop:

i want to make live tv as live as possible

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Bricktop:

now it's 4 sec delay

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Bricktop:

i'm sure it can be teaked

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Bricktop:

tweaked

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Chutt:

nope, it can't.

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Bricktop:

in gb-pvr im getting lower delay then that, there must be some tweaking to be done?

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Bricktop:

the buffer don't depend on computer speed?

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Bricktop:

or it's just 4 sec on every computer dot

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xris:

Bricktop: no. livetv plays from the top of the buffer, not the bottom

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xris:

what kind of card do you have?

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Bricktop:

hauppauge pvr-150

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xris:

all of that delay is in the card/driver settings.. nothing really to do with mythtv

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xris:

who cares if you're a couple seconds behind, though?

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Bricktop:

you r right, but when u switch channel though irblaster...thats a problem

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xris:

Chutt: so you break livetv yet?

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Bricktop:

but mplayer /dev/video0

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Bricktop:

is live preview

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xris:

Bricktop: I guess. personally I don't use livetv at all

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Bricktop:

no delay

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Chutt:

xris, not yet

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xris:

Bricktop: actually, no.. it's 1–2 seconds behind.

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Chutt:

once i get playback working semi-properly

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Bricktop:

so something with my configuration is defently wrong because it is clearly 4 sec

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xris:

Bricktop: no, I mean with mplayer... it's at least a second delay to do the encoding on the card.

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xris:

I know this from a lot of time spent messing with color correction between my monitor and the tv next to it.

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Chutt:

yay, it works

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Bricktop:

I'm not sure u r right, in windows xp i'm 100% know that u r wrong

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xris:

cool

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Chutt:

no seeking, no channel changes

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xris:

Bricktop: I don't run windows, wouldn't know.

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Bricktop:

I've made PIP with my satelite reciver connected to pvr-150 and my television

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Chutt:

live-tv will use up all your disk space (no autodelete)

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Bricktop:

side by side :)

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Chutt:

if you're trying to get someone to help you, spell all the words in your sentences out.

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xris:

Bricktop: turn on the audio on both and you'll hear the difference.

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Bricktop:

do you have a cable/sat box connected to your computer?

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xris:

no, but I do to the tv next to it

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Bricktop:

because they have this button, info.

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Bricktop:

this info button makes a box slide from the bottom

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xris:

actually, with Dish, it covers the whole screen

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xris:

I'm just saying... when I was testing my pvr-150, it was at least a second out of sync with the same signal on the tv next to it...

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Bricktop:

and in Picture in picture, side by side, the scroll didn't loss sync in gb-pvr(with live preview option)

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Lightning:

Chutt, so what is your next step?

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** xris really couldn't care less about gb-pvr and their gpl-violating tendencies. **

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Bricktop:

I know, thats why im going myth

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xris:

then you're stuck with the delay

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jemarcks__:

howdy

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xris:

do you have sat, or cable?

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Bricktop:

I've tried myth, tried gb-pvr, and now im here for good :)

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Bricktop:

with the delay. cable

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Bricktop:

sorry

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Bricktop:

sat

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xris:

then use firewire

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jemarcks__:

does anybody have a simple script to burn a .nuv recording to a dvd?

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xris:

jemarcks__: nuvexport

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jemarcks__:

xris, oh yeah...

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xris:

nuv2disc makes it even easier.

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jemarcks__:

xris, will it burn it too?

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xris:

no

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xris:

you do need to reencode even the mpeg files, though... ivtv occasionally results in some bad frames that confuse hardware dvd players and throw them out of sync.

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Chutt:

lightning, calling this guy on the users list an idiot one more time

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Bricktop:

My father imports silverstone cases, and Im building a htpc based on linux for an exhabition next week ;)

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xris:

if you want to risk that, you can just demux/remux and burn directly.

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Chutt:

i can't resist :(

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Bricktop:

LC11M, sweet

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xris:

Bricktop: cool.

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xris:

yeah. that's the one I want.. but Idon't need a new box.

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Bricktop:

I have LC16 running GB-PVR

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jemarcks__:

cool case. can i have one too?

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Bricktop:

I love HTPC

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Lightning:

such temptations are fun when you know you can get away with it

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Bricktop:

Sure, i will give u good price ;)

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Bricktop:

in Israel

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xris:

haha...

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** xris loves dealing with israeli customs agents... not. **

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Bricktop:

?

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Bricktop:

customs agents? xris?

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Bricktop:

where are you from?

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jemarcks__:

yum is giving me a error again.... (sigh) Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: livna

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Bricktop:

I builded LFS, no problems with yum now ;)

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xris:

was on an archeological dig in 1998... customs agents got pissy because a bunch of our computer gear was shipped in its original packaging. we had to pay import taxes on it just in case we were lying about bring it back with us on our return trip.

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Bricktop:

jemarcks: try to give it more mirrors

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xris:

Bricktop: if you're in israel, why not just use a dvb card?

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Bricktop:

because the broadcast is encrypted in a way far beyond dvb...

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xris:

um, you should be able to hit almost any european satellite from where you are.

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GreyFoxx:

bleee

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o_cee:

xris, how do i set up svn properties for a dir so that Makefile and some other files are ignored, like .cvsignore in mythmusic/i18n ?

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Bricktop:

Yep, but I want isreali sat

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Bricktop:

NDS encrypted

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xris:

o_cee: svn propedit svn:ignore

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xris:

or svn pe

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o_cee:

xris, allright, thanks

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Bricktop:

xris: BTW the LC11M was shipped for me for free :) for the exhabition.

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Bricktop:

SilverStone are very good, in advertising and etc

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xris:

afk for a bit

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Bricktop:

very serious company

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Bricktop:

I wish it were silver but the black one is also good ;)

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Lightning:

anyone happen to have a spare ir blaster cable for a wintv pvr card? i have the card and controller but no ir cable (it's suppose to have a receive and transmit)

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Bricktop:

xris: back for the delay topic, you suffer from 4 sec also?

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Bricktop:

complain to the one that sold you, they all come with atleast the reciver

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Lightning:

bricktop, used from a friend

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Lightning:

so trying to find a replacement

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Bricktop:

My father also import hauppauge, but i don't have one to send you right now :(

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Bricktop:

maybe in few months

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Bricktop:

If someone will throw the irblaster or something.

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Bricktop:

I'm thinking to dig myself in the pvr-150 blaster code.

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Bricktop:

Will dig the code in windows to extract some thing usefull for use in LIRC

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Lightning:

Bricktop: ? i thought the ir on the pvr-150 was already usable by lirc

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o_cee:

xris, what happens if i just don't svn add the Makefile?

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Bricktop:

the ir yes, the blaster no

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Lightning:

oh, so even with the cable, i would need a seperate blaster. i was thinking that had already been accomplished

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Bricktop:

o_cee: xris: afk for a bit

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jemarcks__:

where do i get nuv2disc?

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Bricktop:

as far as i know :)

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Bricktop:

but I will put my effort to change it.

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jnunez:

in the mythtv-setup I am getting an alert about Channel 3, which does not exist

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Bricktop:

I have 4 months before the army, and until then I can work a full time job on developing for linux htpc's

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Bricktop:

me too, i don't know what this ch3 alert is.

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jemarcks__:

bricktop, what do you use to back up your linux box? I need a script to back up to dvd

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Bricktop:

I believe it's ignorable

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Lightning:

bricktop: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=19

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Lightning:

it looks like the blaster is functional

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Bricktop:

Nice

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Bricktop:

Thanks

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jnunez:

Bricktop: This only started after I installed a PVR 150 (I had a cheap tuner card before)

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Bricktop:

I serched two weeks ago, and none

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Lightning:

that is a few months old. "pvr-150 ir blaster lirc" on google

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jnunez:

Bricktop: Are you having problems with the ir blaster too?

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Bricktop:

I just tested mythtv before

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Bricktop:

now im making the real thing

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Bricktop:

compiling LFS just for it

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Bricktop:

making the performance 85%

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Bricktop:

15% is for compiler optimizationm that i will add later on

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jnunez:

LFS! cool. I am using knoppmyth just to get it running and compare cost and install to MCE for a podcast

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Lightning:

jnunez: just a heads up, i've heard that recent knopmyth's are borked

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Lightning:

just incase you run into trouble

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Chutt:

heh

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Chutt:

kevin's got the netflix plugin in svn already

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Bricktop:

LFS is the SHIT

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Bricktop:

But im going to bed, it's 4:52 AM in Israel

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jnunez:

Really??? Man! I have done 3 installs thinking I mess things up. I can get the PVR-150's Remote working but not the IR Blaster

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Lightning:

jnunez: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=19 that is suppose to tell about getting remote and blaster to function

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Lightning:

i havent done it myself though

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Zzz|Bricktop:

Good night everyone

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jnunez:

Thanks Lightning . I think I have an older version of knoppmyth and will use that site url you just posted!

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Lightning:

the url provides a patch to lirc (if i read properly) plus a firmware that is uploaded on startup

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jnunez:

cool reading thru it now. Hopefully it will work with the older knoppmyth

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Lightning:

it should, it just replaces lirc

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jnunez:

this is a bit off topic but can I add a DDR 3200 RAM to a DDR 2700?

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jnunez:

night Zzz|Bricktop

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hpauto:

this is so weird

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hpauto:

like, every 24 hours about I have to reboot to get my pvr-250 card to stop making bad mpeg files

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hpauto:

I'm so sick of troubleshooting

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Beirdo:

maybe you might want to check if the PVR-250 is overheating

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hpauto:

yea, I'm thinkin it might be hardware related

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Beirdo:

dammit.

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hpauto:

think I'll check out that route

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Beirdo:

my frontend is doing the freeze during skip forward again

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Beirdo:

I haven't seen this behavior for a while

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Beirdo:

it freezes, then dumps back to the recording menu like a minute or two later

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Beirdo:

grrrrr

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Beirdo:

How am I supposed to finish watching Weeds if it does this to me

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Boonie:

where does myth store recorded shows?

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Boonie:

I accidently filled my hd and now KDE won't start

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Boonie:

have to boot into failsafe mode :-O

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Beirdo:

wherever you told it to

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Boonie:

drat, is there a default?

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Beirdo:

go into mythtv-setup and see what you set it to

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Boonie:

will mythtv-setup work in command line?

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Boonie:

I have no GUI

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Boonie:

no room to load it

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Beirdo:

um, no

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hpauto:

. /mnt/store is default

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Boonie:

k

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Boonie:

I'll see if I can navigate there and delete some stuff

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hpauto:

delete those skinimax shows

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Boonie:

lol

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hpauto:

and episods of dawsons creek

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pookSter:

Evening everyone!

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Nothingman:

hi, all

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pookSter:

Hi

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Beirdo:

having fun in Syracuse?

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jemarcks__:

does anybody do system backups to dvd?

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Nothingman:

finally have Myth installed, running, scheduling and recording!

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Nothingman:

however...

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Nothingman:

it's recording the wrong channel

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jemarcks__:

nothingman, high 5!

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Nothingman:

in fact, I can't get it to change channel at all

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GreyFoxx:

jemarcks__: I backup my photo archive to DVD every once in a while, bother normally my data is synced to another box whcih is backed up to tape

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Nothingman:

running it on a slow machine (Duron 700), so I can't watch live TV with it

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jemarcks__:

greyfoxx, howdy. i dont have a tape drive but i could use dvd+rw discs

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Nothingman:

in fact, can't get it to play back at a decent speed, either

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phoner:

I think I had that when it was choosing the wrong tuner type

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Nothingman:

it's choosing the right tuner type

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Nothingman:

I selected a program on NBC, and had tuned it to AMC while using tvtime

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jemarcks__:

greyfoxx, i just need a simple script to do backups and write to dvd

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Ryushin:

It looks like there is problems between ivtv-0.4.0 and 2.6.14. I still doing more research.

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Nothingman:

so it recorded for the right amount of time

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Nothingman:

but it recorded "Young Guns" instead of "Pirates of the Caribbean" ;)

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GreyFoxx:

jemarcks__: Sorry, I can't help ya. When I do burns to DVD I do it manually

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phoner:

tar does backups

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Nothingman:

I'm using an inexpensive I/OMagic bt878-based tuner card

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Nothingman:

one that has always worked fine with xawtv and tvtime

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jemarcks__:

greyfoxx, do you have a simple script to burn a .nuv file to dvd?

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GreyFoxx:

jemarcks__: I have no burning scripts of any kind.

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jemarcks__:

i used to have one that used mkisofs... but my system crashed and i had to rebuild it last week.... good reason to learn to back haha

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Nothingman:

so does anyone have ideas why Myth won't change channels to record?

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jemarcks__:

nothingman, did you use mythtv-setup to pick tuner0?

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Nothingman:

yup

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Nothingman:

and Television for the input

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jemarcks__:

hmm...k

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Nothingman:

like I said, it recorded fine, just the wrong channel

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Chutt:

greyfoxx, you're too nice.

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GreyFoxx:

Chutt: hahah

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jemarcks__:

i would double check the setup screens

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GreyFoxx:

I'm trying to turn over a new leaf :)

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GreyFoxx:

my old ways would have been to pounce :)

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, the Leafs suck, why would you want to turn one of them?

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GreyFoxx:

hey, someones gotta do it

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Beirdo:

oooh, I'm gonna get run outta town for that one

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GreyFoxx:

You are already planning on skipping town anyway :)

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Beirdo:

shhhh

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Chutt:

hrmm

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Chutt:

kill more colossi, or read

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Beirdo:

I'd vote for read, personally

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Chutt:

but i have 7 more colossi to kill.

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Beirdo:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

Colossi ?

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Beirdo:

maybe kill some then read? ;)

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Chutt:

shadow of the colossus

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Chutt:

great game, had to stop playing because of vacation

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GreyFoxx:

Only "Colossi" I know of are the Colossi of Memnon in Egypt :)

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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Chutt:

and i've been working on live-tv every night this week

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Beirdo:

ya need a break one way or the other :)

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GreyFoxx:

Especially with users like f-whateverhisnameis :)

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Boonie:

anyone here running SuSE?

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Boonie:

phoner I can't find that dir

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Boonie:

I rememver creating it but I can't fins it in failsafe mode

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Ryushin:

Nevermind. I got 2.6.14 to work.

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Giggel:

hi

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Giggel:

did anyone manage to get an avermedia card running with mythv, yet?

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Giggel:

dvb-t

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Giggel:

unfortunately i couldnt find anything about which chipset they use

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Lightning:

Giggel: i have no clue

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Giggel:

hm, seems i need to get one of this fusionhdtv cards. that's the only company that provides information about their chipset. and it's a cx23881

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Giggel:

that one should be fine, right?

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Lightning:

depends on what your requirements are. alot of people use the wintv pvr cards

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Giggel:

can't buy hauppauge over here

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Lightning:

ah

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Giggel:

it just doesn't exist

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Giggel:

besides the pvr500. but that's overkill

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Giggel:

i thought about getting the nova-t

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Lightning:

my understanding is any card that works with ivtv or bttw (or something like that) would function. i do not know what cards a better than another though

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Giggel:

hm

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Giggel:

i've read lots of postings where people reported that they got their card running if it had a cx2388x chipset so i think i just give it a go

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Giggel:

see what happens

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GeekZoid_:

hi

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GeekZoid_:

is anyone using PVR-150

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GeekZoid_:

with godo settings

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GeekZoid_:

with good settings.. i need some help cuz theres slight blurs occasionally

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GeekZoid_:

and im using tv encoding

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Giggel:

is it right that the only difference between this pvr bundles and the normal tv cards is the additional software?

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Giggel:

windows software obviously

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Lightning:

wish i could answer both of you guys but i cant

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Giggel:

hehe

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Lightning:

hopefully someone else will wake up

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Giggel:

where are you guys?

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Lightning:

USA for me

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Giggel:

or, where is the main crowd

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Lightning:

about 11:15pm here

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GeekZoid_:

same here

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Giggel:

hehe

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Lightning:

all over

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GeekZoid_:

i think myu card sucks

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GeekZoid_:

i have an ati x600 pci express

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GeekZoid_:

and its nto workign very well with myw intv card

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GeekZoid_:

its blurring

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Giggel:

12:12am

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Lightning:

Giggel: canada? i'm not sure what is in the next timezone as that is water for the US

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Giggel:

eh.. australia

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Lightning:

... then wouldnt it be 12:12pm?

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Giggel:

i don't know

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Lightning:

other side of the world

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Lightning:

as midnight is 12am

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Giggel:

i thought 12 pm would be night

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Lightning:

which is 1 timezone over from me

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Giggel:

in that case 12pm, ok

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Lightning:

no, 11:59:59pm -> 12:00:00am

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Giggel:

weird

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Lightning:

that is when the day rolls over

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Lightning:

which is why the military uses 00:00 -> 23:59

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Giggel:

that should be called 0am :)

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GeekZoid_:

hey

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GeekZoid_:

does anyone here have PVR-150/

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GeekZoid_:

?

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Lightning:

GeekZoid_, laying on my desk. no box yet for me

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GeekZoid_:

hrm

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GeekZoid_:

im tryign to figure out whats causing the slight blurrings now an then

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GeekZoid_:

if its my ati pci express video card

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Lightning:

and i think everyone else is away. was busy an hour ago, i walked off to watch tv

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GeekZoid_:

or if its the wintcv

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GeekZoid_:

what do you think it is

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Lightning:

got another pci-e card?

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GeekZoid_:

No

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GeekZoid_:

i dont

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GeekZoid_:

:(

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GeekZoid_:

I stupidly bought the PCI Xpress 600 all in wonder card

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Lightning:

tried taking the output from the card to a file, then watching the file elsewhere? that way it doesnt pass thru the video card

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GeekZoid_:

Lightning: i'll do that actually

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Lightning:

:)

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Lightning:

just dont ask me how to do it :P

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Giggel:

it wouldn't make a difference which os i choose, as long as it's linux, right?

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Giggel:

for mythtv and all that stuff

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Lightning:

Giggel, mostly true. it seems some are easier to setup with myth than others based on what is included as standard for versions of software. I know of knoppmyth but I hear recent vers are broken (dont quote me on that)

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Lightning:

I personally prefer debian, I do not know about other distros

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Giggel:

i'm thinging about gentoo

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Giggel:

thinking..

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Lightning:

i've seen gentoo thrown around a bit

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Lightning:

i am one to compile things myself and run the latest stuff though so i'm not very useful in pointing out what is almost ready to go

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Giggel:

well, that's why i picked gentoo

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Giggel:

compile stuff myself

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Giggel:

curently using freebsd, but that doesn't seem to support digital tv cards at all

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Boonie:

what is the average size of a one hour recording?

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Boonie:

mine seem quite large

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Boonie:

around 5GB

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Lightning:

i understand that normal recording is 1GB per hour

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Giggel:

depends on size, bitdepth and compression

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Lightning:

of course recording hdtv or 16:9 will increase it

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Boonie:

hmmm

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Boonie:

nope, just recording off an analog signal

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Lightning:

and if the video is done by an onboard encoder or software

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Beirdo:

it depends on exactly one thing

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Beirdo:

the bitrate you set

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Boonie:

don't remember setting anything like that

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Beirdo:

my recordings are about 2.2G/hr

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xris:

of course, tweaking the quantisation settings will change numbers of the exact bitrate you set up or down to fit those quality needs.

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xris:

mine are about the same as Beirdo's

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Boonie:

will they get smaller if you transcode them?

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Boonie:

not quite sure what that is though

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xris:

Boonie: depends on the bitrate you choose for transcoding

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xris:

transcode == reencode

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Boonie:

still new to myth and all it's workings

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xris:

bitrate, etc have nothing to do with myth.

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phoner:

I just glued a huge heatsink to the mpeg encoder chip of the pvr

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xris:

bitrate merely says X bits of data per second of video

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xris:

phoner: that was dumb

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phoner:

whys that?

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xris:

glue doesn't conduct heat very well

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GeekZoid_:

why did you put a heat sink on your video card?

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GeekZoid_:

erk tuner

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Chutt:

that's why they use heat sink glue for most video cards :p

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Boonie:

guess I need a bigger hd then

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phoner:

it was a sticky heatsink pad

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Boonie:

:)

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Chutt:

xris, shall i up the mythweb proto number?

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xris:

Chutt: sure. I'll avoid updating my tree for awhile.

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GeekZoid_:

hi does anyone use pvr-150 model 1087?

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phoner:

it keeps creating problems when recording for a while

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Boonie:

thansk for the help :)

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xris:

then again, if only livetv is broken and not recording, I'll be fine.

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Chutt:

you can always revert that number

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phoner:

see if it was overheating

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Chutt:

i don't think i touched recording.

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GeekZoid_:

hmm

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GeekZoid_:

i dunno if my pvr-150 is b roken or not..

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GeekZoid_:

its blurring sometimes..

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geoff:

\whois

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Giggel:

re

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geoff:

xris: can I get some help with updated mythweb?

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xris:

geoff: what's wrong?

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geoff:

same prob as people on the -dev list are having

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geoff:

with the dv- vars

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geoff:

followed the read me

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xris:

those all got resolved on-list

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geoff:

still no go

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xris:

there are multiple allowoverride settings — it's a per-directory setting.

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xris:

there's one for / (all).. and then another for /var/www that overrides the / one

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Beirdo:

sigh

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xris:

if you change /, then /var/www one will overwrite it.

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xris:

bloody nose. afk.

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Beirdo:

18 minutes until I gotta do work

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Beirdo:

for 6 f'ing hours

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geoff:

I added this to my /etc/apache2/apache2.conf :

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geoff:

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geoff:

AllowOverride All

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geoff:

</Directory>

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Lightning:

i dont recall needing quotes around the /var/www for <Directory>

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Lightning:

although i would have to look to verify

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geoff:

hmmm

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geoff:

thats just how the rest were

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Lightning:

ok

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Lightning:

i dont see anything wrong with that directory entry. i assume you restarted apache to take effect

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geoff:

yup

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geoff:

hmm there seems to be a /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default with its own version of the directory thingies

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geoff:

ok, no I moved to an internal server error

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Beirdo:

this is funny

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Beirdo:

the show "Weeds" is sponsored on this station... by Jamaica

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geoff:

/var/www/.htaccess: Invalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration

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geoff:

xris: any ideas?

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Beirdo:

enable mod_rewrite

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geoff:

lol

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geoff:

tnx

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Beirdo:

no prob

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geoff:

Thanks, I'm back in business

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xris:

ok, updated README

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xris:

so Beirdo, I'm only missing 2 more episodes of Good Eats for my collection. :)

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Beirdo:

yeah, cool

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Beirdo:

3 minutes and I have to work

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Beirdo:

blah!

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Beirdo:

fuckin maintenance windows from hell

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Beirdo:

I should go make a pot of coffee, I think

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Beirdo:

BRB'

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xris:

:(

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

well, I guess I should login to work

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Chutt:

ya know, i'm just tempted to remove him from the list.

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Lightning:

remove who?

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Chutt:

the mit kid

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Chutt:

f-myth-users@media.mit.edu

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Chutt:

since, apparently, nobody but me wants to disagree with him

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Lightning:

oh, i havent been watching the lists

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GreyFoxx:

I disagree with his attitude, his arrogance and my god I hate his quoting/email style

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GreyFoxx:

He's a know-it-all who loves to hear himself talk/type

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GreyFoxx:

From the way he talks I'd swear he was a professor

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Chutt:

it'd be nice if someone _else_ would point that out.

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Chutt:

but, i'm just ignoring him now.

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Beirdo:

yeehaw

[06:13:00]

GreyFoxx:

I did tell him his attitude and arrogance wasn't gonna get him anything. But I was trying very hard to censor myself

[06:13:00]

Beirdo:

dropping a production server to single user

[06:13:00]

Beirdo:

will go from 1000 DNS requests/s to 0 for 2h :)

[06:14:00]

Lightning:

Beirdo: heh

[06:14:00]

Lightning:

as for MIT guy, glancing thru one thread i found, he is an ass

[06:14:00]

Beirdo:

and now to upgrade apache on 6 production servers.

[06:14:00]

Beirdo:

such fun

[06:16:00]

phoner:

servers for who

[06:16:00]

Beirdo:

work

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[06:17:00]

phoner:

what do they do

[06:17:00]

red_fox:

jeez that mit guy is a jerk

[06:18:00]

phoner:

wow, after recording for a little bit, that heatsink I put on the mpeg chip is hot

[06:18:00]

phoner:

I think Hauppauge should have included one

[06:19:00]

fryfrog:

you'd be surprised at how hot computer parts can get and still be perfectly happy

[06:20:00]

Lightning:

and you'd be surprised at how little it takes to kill them too

[06:20:00]

Chutt:

chip death smells toasty

[06:20:00]

Lightning:

torture it with heat, but look at it cross-eyed and it lets the smoke out

[06:21:00]

Chutt:

mmm, magic smoke

[06:22:00]

Chutt:

i've let the magic smoke outta lots of stuff :(

[06:23:00]

geoff:

I tend to let the smoke out a lot too

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geoff:

latest was webcam trying to run off of pv panels direct

[06:24:00]

Lightning:

i let some of the magic smoke out of maglift motor (same type that runs the bullet train except only about 3 feet long)

[06:24:00]

geoff:

should have known

[06:24:00]

GreyFoxx:

At my last job we had one PC come in for repair. The owners were HEAVY chain smokers and the insides had a nasty nicotine layer and a ton of dustbunnies. Powering it on was horrible as the smoke/nicotine warmed up.... *shudder*

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geoff:

if they made it smell worse, I would be more tempted to keep it in

[06:25:00]

Lightning:

GreyFoxx, i inherited a PC from an aunt that died that was the same way. i never did manage to turn the white metal panels of the pc back to being white

[06:25:00]

GreyFoxx:

most of us left the office for a few hours

[06:25:00]

Lightning:

decided trash was best place for it

[06:25:00]

GreyFoxx:

*nod* yeah

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Lightning:

1.5Ghz system too. couldnt deal with the smell

[06:26:00]

Chutt:

greyfoxx, you're still too nice.

[06:26:00]

GreyFoxx:

and every component had this oily feel/layer... It was gross

[06:26:00]

Chutt:

hehe

[06:26:00]

Lightning:

did the cd tray open? her's wouldnt without prying due to gummyness

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Lightning:

surprised the harddrive air filter didnt choke

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GreyFoxx:

light honestly I'm not sure. After it was turned on I almost hurled and took off. My boss stayed and took care of it :)

[06:27:00]

Lightning:

ah

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Lightning:

at least we know what each other is referring to

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Lightning:

and i thought i tortured pc's

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Beirdo:

spray in some degreaser followed by Lysol

[06:30:00]

Beirdo:

and hope you don't blow it to shit in the process

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Lightning:

time for bed. night

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xris:

Beirdo: reminds me of a story I heard about a colo that kept chemical fire extinguishers around... someone had a problem and sprayed the room down with one of them, and it proceeded to eat through all of the circuit boards.

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Beirdo:

heh

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xris:

there are times when water damage is desirable. heh.

[06:35:00]

Beirdo:

bah, halon dump

[06:35:00]

xris:

heh

[06:35:00]

Beirdo:

it works wonders

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fryfrog:

halon rules!

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** xris hates bills **

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rjune:

heh

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Beirdo:

bills suck ass

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Beirdo:

especially Gates

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xris:

heh

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xris:

the four-digit ones do, too

[06:42:00]

xris:

unexpected ones, blown head gasket in the car, and a half-sized paycheck due to some billing period consolidation... throw them together and it's a huge mess.

[06:45:00]

marmoset:

xris: in nuvexport I'm now getting errors about unknown column 'basename', is there a common cause for that?

[06:45:00]

Beirdo:

OK, there's one webserver upgraded

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xris:

marmoset: should be warnings, not errors.

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xris:

it's part of svn myth...

[06:46:00]

marmoset:

oh, ok

[06:47:00]

xris:

you can comment out the line if it's causing trouble

[06:47:00]

marmoset:

nah

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marmoset:

I just get blue video whenever I use nuvexport, was starting with that for trying to track it down

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Beirdo:

OK, best I can tell that one works, but it's always hard to say on these servers, it's running, NEXT

[06:52:00]

xris:

transcode? I think some of its options changed.

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marmoset:

yeah, transcode was giving me blue video, been messing with ffmpeg recently, and mythtranscode doesn't look like it's outputting anything, strace shows it's timing out on futex stuff, so I'm not sure what's up

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marmoset:

do you recommend transcode over ffmpeg?

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marmoset:

oh wait, the timeout stuff is cuz it's a fifo, heh

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xris:

transcode looks better

[06:58:00]

xris:

ffmpeg is faster

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marmoset:

ah, ok

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Beirdo:

ffmpeg looks good for MPEG stuff I've found (aka MPEG1/2)

[06:58:00]

xris:

yeah

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xris:

small stuff is fine. not so good for xvid, which is what I use

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Beirdo:

heh "small stuff"

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Beirdo:

DVD-rate MPEG2 ain't small

[06:59:00]

Beirdo:

;)

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Beirdo:

grrrr

[07:00:00]

Beirdo:

I have to use the VPN to test this shit?

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xris:

small res

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mishehu:

bah.

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Beirdo:

so now I gotta boot a winblows box

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Beirdo:

good thing I brought the work laptop home, I guess

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Beirdo:

my Windows laptop needs a serious lobotomy

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fryfrog:

holey cow, i'm 2nd hit for "msi 1013 review" on google!

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Beirdo:

fuck me

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mchou:

fryfrog: is that a mobo?

[07:50:00]

Beirdo:

stupid console router won't let me back in

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mchou:

Beirdo: haha!

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Beirdo:

shut it

[07:51:00]

** SlicerDicer- explodes **

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fryfrog:

its a lappy 486 :)

[07:51:00]

Beirdo:

dude, I'm working on a production server, it's not allowed to fuck me around right now

[07:51:00]

fryfrog:

with math co-processor!

[07:52:00]

fryfrog:

and 16 colors!

[07:52:00]

mchou:

ok guys, some recommend a good a64 939 full atx mobo with AGP and firewire on board.

[07:53:00]

mchou:

s/some/someone

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mchou:

I'm having trouble finding one.....

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fryfrog:

i've not had any issues with nforce4 based boards

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Dagmar:

mchou: No firewire but I'm installing XP (sorry) on an ASrock 939dual-sata2 board right now

[07:53:00]

fryfrog:

lemme show you the one i was using, but its pci-e :/

[07:54:00]

mchou:

plenty of mATX but no full ATX

[07:54:00]

Dagmar:

It's weird. It has both AGP8X and PCIe x16 and a PCIe x1 slot

[07:54:00]

Dagmar:

Three normal PCI slots and four RAM sockets.

[07:54:00]

mchou:

Dagmar: look again. That's not a real agp8x slot

[07:54:00]

Dagmar:

I just had to get a BIOS update that was *two days old* for it to deal properly with my CPU tho

[07:54:00]

fryfrog:

mine's got 8x SATA ports :)

[07:54:00]

Dagmar:

mchou: I see it, and I've seen it written in several places that it is a real AGP 8x slot

[07:54:00]

fryfrog:

its a fake agp8x slot?

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Dagmar:

mchou: ...and one of those places was Tom's Hardware, and another was Anandtech.

[07:55:00]

fryfrog:

tom's is for bitches, but anandtech should be reliable :)

[07:55:00]

Dagmar:

What it *won't* do is take 3.3v AGP cards, which are probably obsolete anyway

[07:55:00]

mchou:

fryfrog: "agp express"

[07:55:00]

fryfrog:

what is that?

[07:55:00]

mchou:

a real bastardization of agp

[07:56:00]

mchou:

really pci :)

[07:56:00]

fryfrog:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128283 <--- i'm lovin it

[07:56:00]

fryfrog:

you ever seen some of the impact of agp speed?

[07:56:00]

fryfrog:

its quite trivial over about 2x

[07:56:00]

fryfrog:

unless you have some shitty, uses system ram card

[07:57:00]

mchou:

fryfrog: yeah, there is a combo of that on sale at frys

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Dagmar:

well, the thing that got me (because I'm a trial by fire kind of guy) was the two different benchmarks I saw that had been run on the board.

[07:57:00]

fryfrog:

that board has built in firewire, dual nic, sound, 8 sata ports and like 2 pata ports

[07:57:00]

Beirdo:

OK, all fixed

[07:57:00]

Dagmar:

It looks like the worst-case scenario for the asrock is that in some instances it runs a whole 5% slower than the fastest thing going.

[07:57:00]

Chutt:

lots of cards are going to start using system ram for vram overflow

[07:57:00]

mchou:

fryfrog: but it's the SC version (no firewire)

[07:57:00]

Dagmar:

I think I feel confident enough in being able to overclock something by 5% to get around that

[07:57:00]

fryfrog:

that sucks :(

[07:57:00]

fryfrog:

firewire card maybe?

[07:58:00]

Dagmar:

Firewire cards are only about $20 anyway

[07:58:00]

fryfrog:

good ones are a wee bit more

[07:58:00]

mchou:

fryfrog: nah, defeats the prupose :)

[07:58:00]

fryfrog:

but still not bad

[07:58:00]

fryfrog:

how much is the fry's combo?

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mchou:

fryfrog: takes up a slot

[07:58:00]

fryfrog:

newegg's price for that board is only $113

[07:58:00]

Dagmar:

Shit. I have *no* idea what to name this machine. I totally didn't even think about it until now

[07:58:00]

fryfrog:

yeah, that board only has 3 pci slots :/

[07:58:00]

mchou:

hmm, around $210 wit 3200+, iirc.

[07:58:00]

fryfrog:

wow, thats a good price

[07:58:00]

fryfrog:

3200 is ~~ 150?

[07:59:00]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: Go to www.directron.com and see if they have the same stuff.

[07:59:00]

mchou:

beats me

[07:59:00]

mchou:

screw directron

[07:59:00]

mchou:

outpost.com

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fryfrog:

i'm a newegg bitch

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: I have no idea if they're doing anything illegal or not, but I found them consistently coming up cheaper than newegg for pretty much everything when I ordered this.

[07:59:00]

fryfrog:

did you look em up on reseller ratings?

[07:59:00]

Dagmar:

...and the fact that Newegg charges sales tax didn't even figure into the equation.

[07:59:00]

fryfrog:

i recently ordered something from ewiz because it was like $100 less total

[08:00:00]

Dagmar:

I looked 'em up, and I've ordered from them three times now.

[08:00:00]

fryfrog:

but i prefer the egg :0

[08:00:00]

Dagmar:

I'm just about astonished that there's a yahoo store vendor who has their crap together.

[08:00:00]

mchou:

fryfrog: egg is expensive with stupid ass shipping

[08:00:00]

Dagmar:

This is the third time I've ordered on Sunday night and the stuff has gotten to UPS on that same monday

[08:00:00]

fryfrog:

i wouldn't say *expensive* is newegg

[08:00:00]

Dagmar:

...it's a definite change from ichibanpc.com

[08:00:00]

fryfrog:

but its not the lowest price

[08:00:00]

mchou:

shipping at newegg is expensive

[08:01:00]

fryfrog:

expensive is compusa/bestbuy :)

[08:01:00]

mchou:

they dont combine shipping on multiple items

[08:01:00]

fryfrog:

i usually get an entire system shipped for $20–30?

[08:01:00]

fryfrog:

i don't think thats bad for a heavy case

[08:01:00]

Dagmar:

CompUSA is just abusive about it.

[08:01:00]

fryfrog:

compusa are bitches :)

[08:01:00]

Dagmar:

Seems like they gear themselves for hte "buying parts for clients" market

[08:02:00]

mchou:

"good guys" going out of business, owned by CompUSA

[08:02:00]

fryfrog:

you *could* use newegg's search engine to find the board you want though

[08:02:00]

fryfrog:

its quite good

[08:02:00]

mchou:

soon it will be compusa's turn :)

[08:02:00]

mchou:

fryfrog: I tried, no real dice

[08:03:00]

Dagmar:

Oh, btw, 80mm _low-rotation fans_ are just about as good as 120mm fans for quietness.

[08:03:00]

Dagmar:

I don't know how I'm going to sleep at night with this thing in my room.

[08:03:00]

mchou:

Dagmar: haha

[08:03:00]

Dagmar:

I'm used to knowing if something goes wrong because the fans will start sounding weird, and I can barely hear these fans sitting at the desk.

[08:03:00]

mchou:

that's why we use A64 :)

[08:04:00]

Dagmar:

I'm going to be waking up thinking the damn thing has shut down or somethig.

[08:04:00]

mchou:

haha

[08:04:00]

fryfrog:

why do you *require* agp?

[08:04:00]

fryfrog:

previous video card investment?

[08:04:00]

mchou:

sleep apneia induced by quiet comps

[08:04:00]

mchou:

fryfrog: not really. more pci slots

[08:04:00]

fryfrog:

how many do you need?

[08:04:00]

mchou:

bout 5 :)

[08:05:00]

Dagmar:

That's nothing. Back in the 90s I would wake up in the middle of the night when my IRC channel was under assault. I have no explanation for that.

[08:05:00]

fryfrog:

ahh

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linagee:

ROFL.

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linagee:

"First, let me say, you're the first person I've ever heard of who's

[08:06:00]

linagee:

> setting up FC-AL drives on Brocade switches for Myth TV... :) You have

[08:06:00]

linagee:

> a serious TV addiction that might require professional help."

[08:06:00]

mchou:

haha!

[08:06:00]

fryfrog:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813180074

[08:07:00]

mchou:

who the hell is this?

[08:07:00]

fryfrog:

FC-AL drives?

[08:07:00]

Dagmar:

Jesus.

[08:07:00]

mchou:

fryfrog: gah, no via, pls :)

[08:07:00]

Dagmar:

That guy must work in a big avid shop or something

[08:07:00]

fryfrog:

new via is not bad

[08:07:00]

fryfrog:

od sukes

[08:08:00]

Dagmar:

Either that or he recently won the lotterry

[08:08:00]

fryfrog:

i'm not sure how much selection you will have requiring pci, agp *and* ieee1394

[08:08:00]

mchou:

fryfrog: well, that's the dealio :)

[08:08:00]

fryfrog:

probably going to be an nforce3 chipset

[08:08:00]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: Probably less than a dozen models if he's going 939

[08:08:00]

fryfrog:

or via

[08:09:00]

fryfrog:

what 5 pci cards do you have?

[08:09:00]

mchou:

there is ULi, but I dont trust that either

[08:09:00]

Dagmar:

mchou: That's what this asrock board is. I'm not looking forward to having to *patch in* kernel drivers again

[08:09:00]

Dagmar:

I'm told they work okay tho

[08:09:00]

mchou:

told by whom?

[08:09:00]

Dagmar:

Some guys online. ;)

[08:09:00]

mchou:

lol

[08:10:00]

fryfrog:

i'd pick via over sis though

[08:10:00]

Dagmar:

I did some websearching and found a few people who've got it working.

[08:10:00]

Dagmar:

They actually wound up getting driver patches from ULi at some point

[08:10:00]

fryfrog:

you could go intel

[08:10:00]

Dagmar:

Ah doont quite have that kind of pull at my current job to be calling up hardware manufacturers and leaning on them like that

[08:10:00]

fryfrog:

far far more likely to have linux support

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mchou:

fryfrog: screw that. defeats "quiet"

[08:11:00]

fryfrog:

ahha :)

[08:11:00]

fryfrog:

i concur, but not just for "quiet" :)

[08:11:00]

Chutt:

so close

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Chutt:

channel changing _almost_ works again

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Chutt:

hrmph

[08:26:00]

Chutt:

seeking's going to be tricky.

[08:26:00]

Chutt:

anyone awake?

[08:26:00]

Beirdo:

unfortunately

[08:27:00]

Giggel:

yes..

[08:27:00]

Chutt:

ok

[08:27:00]

Chutt:

so

[08:27:00]

Chutt:

you're watching live tv.

[08:27:00]

Chutt:

you've paused it, so you're behind the current program.

[08:27:00]

Chutt:

you start fast forwarding, and eventually you get to the boundary between shows

[08:28:00]

Chutt:

well, not fast forwarding, but say, jumping forward 10 minutes at a time

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Beirdo:

K

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Chutt:

so you've got a 10 minute jump that straddles the show boundary

[08:29:00]

Chutt:

would it make sense for that to take you to a) the beginning of the next show, effectively clipping the 10 minute jump

[08:29:00]

Chutt:

or b) into the next show by however much of the jump was left..

[08:30:00]

Chutt:

i can think of arguments either way, but i think a might be nicest

[08:30:00]

fryfrog:

i'm jumping into the middle of i dunno what, but if it changes shows... it should stop at the beginning of 2nd show

[08:30:00]

Beirdo:

I'd tend to agree with a) being nicer

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fryfrog:

so you can jump in good 10min chunks for the next show

[08:30:00]

Chutt:

you're -5 minutes before show B

[08:31:00]

Chutt:

your 10 minute jump either takes to you 0, or +5

[08:31:00]

fryfrog:

0

[08:31:00]

Chutt:

right, just making sure i was explaining things =)

[08:31:00]

Chutt:

ok, so you both agree with me

[08:31:00]

fryfrog:

i concur!

[08:31:00]

Chutt:

now, rewinding's a taaad trickier :(

[08:31:00]

Beirdo:

yeah

[08:31:00]

fryfrog:

it should go to 0

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fryfrog:

then if you hit it again, go back 10min

[08:32:00]

Chutt:

i think i may just make it go like 30 seconds back from the end, regardless of what you rewound to

[08:32:00]

fryfrog:

ie, hit it again in 10sec or something

[08:32:00]

Giggel:

i agree, too

[08:32:00]

Giggel:

justin case :)

[08:32:00]

Chutt:

for fastforwarding, 'a' is easiest to code, too

[08:32:00]

Beirdo:

cool

[08:32:00]

fryfrog:

rar!

[08:33:00]

Chutt:

i think i may have made daniel's life difficult

[08:33:00]

fryfrog:

easy is good, thats what i always tell my gf :)

[08:33:00]

Chutt:

might've broken dvb kinda badly =)

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Beirdo:

hehe

[08:33:00]

Chutt:

since it streams dummy data for a bit

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fryfrog:

are you committing this to svn any time soon? :)

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Beirdo:

well, he's been known to make life difficult at times too

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Chutt:

seeking, probably tomorrow

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Chutt:

live-tv's horribly broken in svn right now, since i've been committing things

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fryfrog:

remind me not to svn for a while :)

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Beirdo:

good thing I rarely watch livetv :)

[08:34:00]

Chutt:

well, it doesn't allow you to use live-tv at all right now

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fryfrog:

i think i updated about... 3 days ago?

[08:34:00]

Chutt:

i stuck a return as the first line of the big 'start livetv' function

[08:34:00]

Chutt:

this was just a few hours ago

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fryfrog:

think thats safe?

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fryfrog:

i don't use livetv either though

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Chutt:

neither do i

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Chutt:

i've only ever used it to test if my tuner was working for the past year or so

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Beirdo:

I updated around noon, but I like 122h of video to watch before thinking of using livetv

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Chutt:

i need to decide how to present the live-tv programs in the watch recordings screen

[08:36:00]

Chutt:

also tricky.

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Beirdo:

I can imagine it would be

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Chutt:

since you could easily have a ton of little tiny shit if someone was channel surfing

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Chutt:

every channel change – new recording.

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Beirdo:

making a "builtin" recording group for that might help with organization, dunno

[08:37:00]

Chutt:

ah well, bed time for me

[08:37:00]

Beirdo:

night

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Beirdo:

I still have hours to go, stupid maintenances

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Dagmar:

Better the downtime be planned an expected, rather than having it come as a "suprise"

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Beirdo:

yeah, true

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Beirdo:

2:45am up 1193 day(s), 23:21, 2 users, load average: 0.41, 0.71, 0.85

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Beirdo:

seems like a shame to reboot

[08:45:00]

Beirdo:

but that's just too bad.

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Beirdo:

oh nice

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Beirdo:

it paniced while rebooting

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Rince:

ooops :)

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Rince:

fsck?

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Beirdo:

fucking Sol2.6

[08:47:00]

Beirdo:

I hope not

[08:47:00]

Rince:

Hmm, why this old Solaris?

[08:47:00]

Beirdo:

if so, I need to go into the office to get the root password

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Rince:

important application running on?

[08:47:00]

Beirdo:

because that's what it's running still

[08:47:00]

Rince:

ah ;)

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Beirdo:

it's fsck'ing

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Beirdo:

that should take some time

[08:48:00]

** Rince has somewhere a DualUltraII with Sol8 on it... he should update sometimes.. **

[08:48:00]

Beirdo:

but as long as it doesn't error the fsck

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Rince:

yepp

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Beirdo:

two more apaches to go

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Beirdo:

good, that bitch came up OK

[08:54:00]

Rince:

;)

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Beirdo:

shit

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Beirdo:

let's see if the coworker's still awake in Vancouver

[08:55:00]

Rince:

didn't came up?

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Beirdo:

another machine, I have no access

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Beirdo:

awful hard to upgrade apache with no root access

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Rince:

*nod*

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Rince:

what about sudo?

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

like we allow that insecure POS

[08:58:00]

Rince:

just a question :)

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I know

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Beirdo:

he's gonna give me access

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** Rince once had an admin who was able to disable root-access **

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Rince:

(deleted that line from /etc/passwd)

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Beirdo:

brilliant

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Rince:

that was the day when I really started loving sudo... ;)

[08:59:00]

Beirdo:

and when you learn how to vi /etc/passwd and put it back

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Beirdo:

so many things depend on it being three

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Beirdo:

there even

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Rince:

not if you have no root-access at that time ;)

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Rince:

(he made it on the console, I was very far away. And he typed "exit"...

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Beirdo:

I hope you beat him mercilessly

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Rince:

I made very clear and sure that he won't get any root-access anymore

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Beirdo:

no shit

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Beirdo:

3h and counting

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Beirdo:

got about 45min-1h left of work to do

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Rince:

what is in 3h?

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Beirdo:

going slow so I don't fux0r the production machines

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Rince:

;)

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Beirdo:

fixed

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I'm in a midnight-6am maint window

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laga:

morning

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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Beirdo:

the other patching just finished

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Beirdo:

rebooting that one

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Beirdo:

and that one's done

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

oh grrr

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Beirdo:

I don't wanna run the patches on these servers

[09:19:00]

Beirdo:

they are at -41

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Beirdo:

current is -42

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Beirdo:

fuck me

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Beirdo:

well, I guess I got no real choice

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laga:

hehe

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Beirdo:

how goes it, laga?

[09:57:00]

laga:

quite well, i've just had breakfast

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laga:

and what's up with you?

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Beirdo:

still doing this maintenance

[09:58:00]

laga:

oh sad. well, two hours left, if i recall correctly ;)

[09:58:00]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

just about done

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laga:

nice ;)

[10:00:00]

laga:

i hate ebay. i paid for this NIC on 10/26 and it's still not here.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

dammit, come UP server

[10:01:00]

Beirdo:

you POS

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laga:

;)

[10:05:00]

Beirdo:

done

[10:05:00]

Beirdo:

time to call in and let them know I'm done

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Beirdo:

then write a summary email

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laga:

This program is designed to heavily load CPU chips. Undercooled, overclocked or otherwise weak systems may fail causing data loss.

[10:06:00]

laga:

^^ i thought this was the point of using cpuburn?

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Beirdo:

precisely

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laga:

let's see if this overclocked cpu is stable ;)

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The_Ball:

is there a way to identify the width and height of a nuv file?

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The_Ball:

i can't find it stored in the db

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Beirdo:

nuvinfo (part of nuvexport) should be able to tell you

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Beirdo:

bed for me as soon as this show finishes

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The_Ball:

Beirdo, thanks

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Beirdo:

no prob

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laga:

cpu temperature goes up to 67 centigrades. not good :)

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Beirdo:

night all

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Beirdo:

4:20am

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phoner:

CST rules

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phoner:

you can tell my future

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phoner:

it looks like the Hauppauge overheating is a pretty common problem

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phoner:

never heard of it before though

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adante:

any idea what could cause transcode to suddenly start taking a long time to do its job? while my myth system used to sit idle most of the time, now it's got a queue of about 20 shows to transcode and it's interfering with tv watching

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Giggel:

would you recommend a matrox video card for tvout?

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Hoxzer:

what should I do if I get "error no pids set" when I try to watch live tv with mythtv and I have done scan succesfully

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Hoxzer:

and xine is working fine when I try to watch live tv

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The_Ball:

any filesystem that is better suited than others for mythtv?

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The_Ball:

im using ext3 but was thinking maby xfs or ext2 to stop using a journal

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Giggel:

would you recommend a radeon9250 video card for tvout?

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fryfrog:

Giggel: probably not

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Giggel:

why

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fryfrog:

i'd pick nvidia for sheer driver support

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fryfrog:

though ati's linux support has gotten better

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Giggel:

nvidia.

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fryfrog:

The_Ball: xfs is good for fast deletes

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fryfrog:

The_Ball: i'd stick with ext3 over ext2 though, there is probably no advantage

[11:20:00]

fryfrog:

i use a gf4 for DVI output

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fryfrog:

you can get away with a pretty old nvidia card if you want *cheap*

[11:20:00]

fryfrog:

or a pci-e 6200 is usually less than $50

[11:21:00]

fryfrog:

what type of tvout do you need? HDMI/DVI, Svideo, RCA, Component?

[11:21:00]

The_Ball:

fryfrog, i have a strange problem when recording, it records and every five seconds the machine hangs for one second, the recordings end up pretty useless, even the mouse cursor hangs

[11:21:00]

fryfrog:

humm, that doesn't really sound like file system :/

[11:21:00]

fryfrog:

what are the system specs

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fryfrog:

?

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The_Ball:

fryfrog, it's a xp3000 with 1gb ram and the drives in question are running lvm2 with ext3 on the lv in question

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The_Ball:

fryfrog, but it was fine "before", im not sure what changed for this to happen

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The_Ball:

the hdd light keeps getting buzier and buzier until it's constatly on and the machine hangs a little, then almost no hdd light activity

[11:24:00]

The_Ball:

it's particuarely one drive make the trouble i think from watching gkrellm and i have looked at the s.m.a.r.t. data to see if it's starting to fail

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fryfrog:

okay, your specs are way higher than could be causing the problem :)

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The_Ball:

im not sure what to make of the smart data though

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fryfrog:

what happens when you watch top?

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fryfrog:

do you have a lot of cpu usage?

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fryfrog:

do you use much swap?

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fryfrog:

and what linux distro?

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The_Ball:

nope, it's not the cpu usage and i have 2gb swap

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The_Ball:

it's gentoo

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The_Ball:

with vanilla 2.6.14

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fryfrog:

its not the swap size i'm after, its if you are actually *using* any swap

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fryfrog:

for instance, with 1 G of ram, i am typically only using about 32mb of swap

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fryfrog:

(which means swap is virtually unused (a good thing))

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fryfrog:

i dunno why i used (()) :)

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The_Ball:

yes im using quite a bit, about half, but this will happen strait after a reboot as well, before i start using the swap

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fryfrog:

1G of swap is very odd to be seeing

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fryfrog:

are you *sure* you are using 1G of swap and not just using 1G of ram?

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The_Ball:

ps aux | grep -c . shows 217 processes so

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fryfrog:

what is the swap line of "free -m"

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The_Ball:

Swap: 2894 393 2501

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fryfrog:

are these hardware or software cards?

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The_Ball:

i forgot i added another disk to the swap, they all have the same priority, maybe i should drop the swap on the disk that i believe is make trouble?

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fryfrog:

its worth a try i spose :/

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fryfrog:

i'd try and figure out why you are hitting swap with 1G of ram though

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The_Ball:

it's a cheap prolink card

[11:30:00]

fryfrog:

what driver? bttv?

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fryfrog:

i'd try emerging tvtime or another tv app

[11:32:00]

fryfrog:

this would help to narrow down where the issue is coming from

[11:32:00]

fryfrog:

also, what version of myth do you use? 0.18.1 from portage or svn?

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The_Ball:

it's the cx8800 driver, i have tvtime i used it before i found myth

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The_Ball:

it's 0.18.1 from portage yes

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fryfrog:

so tvtime works good i assume?

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The_Ball:

let me check

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The_Ball:

fine till now yes, about 30–40% cpu usage

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fryfrog:

kk

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fryfrog:

no skipping, et?

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fryfrog:

any reason you don't use gentoo-sources?

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fryfrog:

what about kernel pre-empt, do you use that or not?

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The_Ball:

i use pre-empt yes

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fryfrog:

i've got an amd64 3000+ with 3 tuner cards in it and 1g of ram, no probs here

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fryfrog:

it does http, samba

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fryfrog:

and a few other things

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fryfrog:

so i don't think you should be skipping

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The_Ball:

no, it was not skipping before

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The_Ball:

i have lowered the recording resolution, that might help

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The_Ball:

i think i might have played around with it

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The_Ball:

nope still skipping

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fryfrog:

is it live tv, watching a recording or recording a show that skips?

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The_Ball:

watching tv or a recording when it is recording

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The_Ball:

im a bit unresponsive, making dinner

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Giggel:

can i use framebuffer and tvout together with mplayer to play movies or does that look too dodgy?

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fryfrog:

erm

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fryfrog:

you can simply use myth and your card's tv out to play movies

[12:09:00]

fryfrog:

i dunno why you'd bother with FB unless you have a pvr 250?

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fryfrog:

er, 350

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Giggel:

ah, right

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Giggel:

bit confused with all that new stuff :)

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Giggel:

i think, i'll get a dvicio fusionhdtv thingy

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fryfrog:

OTA HDTV?

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Giggel:

well

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Giggel:

what do you mean with ota?

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fryfrog:

Over The Antactic!

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fryfrog:

Air actually :)

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Giggel:

erm, we've got dvb-t. does that answer your question?

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fryfrog:

does that mean you are in "the euorpe"?

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Giggel:

no, australia

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fryfrog:

even worse, eh? :)

[12:13:00]

fryfrog:

at least it isn't canada though!

[12:13:00]

Giggel:

well, i'm quite happy

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Giggel:

definitely better than europe

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Giggel:

the only disadvantage is, that there are not enough people, which means that the hardware you can get is limited

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Giggel:

-> no hauppauge for example

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fryfrog:

do you scuba dive?

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Giggel:

not yet

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Giggel:

did it once

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Giggel:

awesome :)

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fryfrog:

mmm, i'd like to go dive there :)

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Giggel:

it's so cool

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fryfrog:

we spent a week in cozumel

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fryfrog:

it was omgwtfawsome :)

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Giggel:

i've been snorkeling at the west coast and diving at the great barrier reef

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fryfrog:

wow

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The_Ball:

Giggel, i haven't gotten around to diving here, but will have to soon

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Giggel:

'here'? *whois*

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Giggel:

aha

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Giggel:

where are you?

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The_Ball:

brisbane

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Giggel:

you can probably buy hauppauges at every corner..

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Giggel:

do you use dvb-t?

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Giggel:

mythtv does not necessarily requrire alsa, right?

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fryfrog:

sure, you can use oss instead

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Giggel:

fine, cause my soundcard likes oss

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fryfrog:

but alsa would be the way to go unless you want to go back in time about 1–2 years

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fryfrog:

oss is for bitches :/

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Giggel:

i'm a bitch

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fryfrog:

fair enough :)

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Giggel:

found my soundcard coverd with 10cm of dust in some unknown, almost forgotten corner :)

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

sb16?

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Giggel:

:)

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Giggel:

it's a pci. creative

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fryfrog:

i used those until sound was built into mah motherboards

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fryfrog:

used the same sb16 cards for like... 5 years :)

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Giggel:

motherboard sound stopped working

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fryfrog:

sounds stopping working is for bitches!

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Giggel:

Module Size Used by

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Giggel:

snd_ens1371 19492 -

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Giggel:

the kernel config said, that this card likes oss

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findme:

I have a huge avi file how do I split it/

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The_Ball:

fryfrog, i fsck'ed the lv and got 29.2% non-contiguous, could that be a problem?

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The_Ball:

to fragmented?

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fryfrog:

not that'd cause *your* problems

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fryfrog:

do you have a lot of recordings saved?

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fryfrog:

if not, maybe you could nuke the lvm and try a single drive

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The_Ball:

im deleting them so im thinking of doing that

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fryfrog:

but i personally doubht it was lvm's fault either :/

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fryfrog:

did you figure out why you were using a ton of swap?

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fryfrog:

300mb of swap is quite a bit

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The_Ball:

lot's of apps i guess

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fryfrog:

like what?

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fryfrog:

you shouldn't need to have *anything* running in the bg when myth is going really

[16:04:00]

fryfrog:

use a light weight WM like fluxbox, poison or something maybe

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The_Ball:

kde with four virtual desktops with stuff on

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The_Ball:

still, it was working very well earlier for a couple of months

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fryfrog:

what changed?

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fryfrog:

i use gentoo and it runs perfectly fine for me :/

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fryfrog:

but i use mythtv-svn

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fryfrog:

and gentoo-sources

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The_Ball:

i wish i knew, the weird thing is watching gkrellm the disk activity is pretty low, then it start getting heavier and heavier untill it hangs, then back to very low activity.. in a loop

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fryfrog:

what if you fire up good ol' top and sort my memory usage?

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fryfrog:

can you tell what is eating it up?

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The_Ball:

i'll have a look

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The_Ball:

fryfrog, X has 473m Virt and 104m Res

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fryfrog:

KDE or Gnome?

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The_Ball:

kde

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fryfrog:

for teh trouble shooting, i'd suggest emerge fluxbox

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fryfrog:

and log in with flux as your wm once

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fryfrog:

see if it helps

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fryfrog:

*something* is eating way to much memory :)

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fryfrog:

but i can't tell you if that is your problem or not

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fryfrog:

using swap DOES suck though

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fryfrog:

maybe you could sort by meomry usage (top) and paste to pastebin.com?

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The_Ball:

i started a recording and i have 17 mythbackend processes with 150m Virt and 46m Res each

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fryfrog:

wtf???

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fryfrog:

i've only got *one* mythbackend process

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LaidBack_01:

okay, I'm just starting on the idea of mythtv. Been a linux user for some9 years now, gentoo being my current favorite distro, with debian pulling a close second. Okay. all that means is that I am familiar with linux, not at all mythtv. So, here's what I have for spare hardware: 2 bt848 tuner cards, 1 with FM (no remote), 1 without FM (has remote). Intel 2.8 (not HT) 400Mhz fsb, Intel 865perl mainboard. No ram y

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LaidBack_01:

et, Creative live sound, on-board video only.

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The_Ball:

what's the pause in top?

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LaidBack_01:

Okay, so what else do I need to get?

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fryfrog:

pause?

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fryfrog:

oh, to stop refresh?

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fryfrog:

LaidBack_01: what do you have for video output?

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LaidBack_01:

I anticipate ram and a vid card, how much ram do you think? will 1G do ok? and as far as a video card, I've read several times that there isn't much needed, so what do I get there?

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fryfrog:

i know space *forces* a refresh :/

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fryfrog:

LaidBack_01: GF4 or better would be my suggestion

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LaidBack_01:

fryfrog, well, on-board video I guess. Is that what you meant?

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fryfrog:

1G is plenty

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LaidBack_01:

fryfrog, ok

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fryfrog:

LaidBack_01: it depends on how you plan on outputting to tv (or if you even doo)

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fryfrog:

LaidBack_01: you can run a backend only one some pretty wimpy hardware

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fryfrog:

hdtv playback needs a lot of cpu

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LaidBack_01:

fryfrog, well, yeah, I'd like s-video for sure. I doubt there's any video that puts out component video...

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fryfrog:

VGA is fairly easy to convert to component

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fryfrog:

DVI too (cause it has vga signal in it)

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fryfrog:

my most bestest suggestion is to go with the *best* tv output your tv can take

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fryfrog:

if its HDMI/DVI, use it

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fryfrog:

next component

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LaidBack_01:

okay, makes sense.

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fryfrog:

the svideo output on *most* video cards is nothing to be proud of, makers add it as an afterthought "feature" that sells more cards but isn't used much

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fryfrog:

I've run 4x hardware mpeg2 tuner cards on a 1ghz athlon xp w/ 512mb ram

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fryfrog:

so you can get away with some wimpy hardware :)

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LaidBack_01:

fryfrog, right, well this is full motion video, but are there any 3d processors used at all – eg is a good solid 2d card (Matrox) something worthwhile?

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fryfrog:

get something with good drivers

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fryfrog:

nvidia would be my suggestion

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The_Ball:

fryfrog, here you can se gkrellm as well http://wigen.net/shot.png

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dev-:

if you're looking at buying a video card, might as well just go for a gf4mx

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dev-:

i use a 32meg (i think) gf4, works good. but this is not hdtv

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fryfrog:

you have *way* *way* to many mythbackend processes

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The_Ball:

how can that be?

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fryfrog:

i duno

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fryfrog:

i only have 1 :)

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LaidBack_01:

okay, also I have a hardware mpeg decoder card, it's an older stb product – LG semiconductor gm90c711 chip on it. Are those at all useful in a dvr?

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The_Ball:

wow!

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Chutt:

fryfrog, you've got more than one.

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GreyFoxx:

Those are just the various threads

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dev-:

chris@argos .mythtv $ ps ax |grep mythbackend |wc -l

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dev-:

14

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dev-:

hehe

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Chutt:

they all use the same ram.

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dev-:

threads

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fryfrog:

why do i on ly have 2?

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Chutt:

because you're not looking at all of them

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fryfrog:

i ran the same command as dev

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The_Ball:

fryfrog, are you recording right now?

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dev-:

hrm you should have more than 2

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LaidBack_01:

so an mpeg daughter card is no good? No one has replied, so I'll assume they aren't used at all. it's from the early days of dvd decoding... where they needed a seperate hardware decoder to show the movie.

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fryfrog:

oh, prolly not recording right now

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dev-:

mines not recording either

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Chutt:

even without recording, you should have at least 8 or so

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fryfrog:

LaidBack_01: i have one of those... it keeps the downstairs door from opening :)

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fryfrog:

mythtv-svn?

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fryfrog:

or 0.18.1?

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dev-:

0.18.1

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fryfrog:

i'm on svn from a few nights ago

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Chutt:

oh, depending on your kernel/ps versions threads won't show up with that command.

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fryfrog:

well, i guess 15 processes isn't to abnormal :)

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fryfrog:

ahhhh

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fryfrog:

i thought "aux" was "all all users and umm

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fryfrog:

i forget what x is

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LaidBack_01:

okay, how about ram? I'm getting used to throwing around 1g into machines above 1.8G. My 3.0 has 2G ram, this is a 2.8 that I'll be building as a dvr. So... will 1G be good enough, or should I go for 1.5G?

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GreyFoxx:

Chutt: Thanks for the pointer to MythTimer. worked perfectly for finding the slowdown. I reworked the scan to lower the scantime by another 60% which was a couple hundred percent lower than when I first started :)

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Chutt:

cool.

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fryfrog:

1g is fine

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fryfrog:

512 would work if you didn't run KDE or something as your WM

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fryfrog:

256 would work if it was just a backend :)

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dev-:

ladback: im useing 2x mpeg2 encoders with mythcommflag as things record, 2 processes max, i use 512meg of ddr400

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GreyFoxx:

256 would be fine for both a FE + BE

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dev-:

oh, yerah, and i dont use afterstep as my wm :P

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dev-:

bb baybee.

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jemarcks__:

does anybody use dump/restore to maintain backups?

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fryfrog:

i do

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fryfrog:

i use a script that dumps my dbs ourly and rsnapshot to back em up

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fryfrog:

rather, rsnapshot runs the script :)

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dev-:

hourly? hehe paranoid

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jemarcks__:

i need to start making backups. i have a dvd burner i want to use but no tape drive. will that work?

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fryfrog:

well, i only save like 7 hourlys :)

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GreyFoxx:

jermark: You are referring othe dump the fs dump util ?

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LaidBack_01:

well, yeah, I use ion3 as my window manager. It's rather effecient

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fryfrog:

then they become dailys, weeklys and monthlys :)

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LaidBack_01:

okay, cool! Thanks much for your help ;)

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dev-:

ahh werd

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jemarcks__:

greyfoxx, yes. the dump and restore programs

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fryfrog:

oh, not mysqldump?

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GreyFoxx:

jerm: I use to use them to dump stuff to tape with Amanda

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GreyFoxx:

but not in a long time. I use tar with amanda for the last couple years

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fryfrog:

why not just use mysqldump and fire it into a bz2 file and burn it?

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jemarcks__:

greyfoxx, i was looking at the amanda site and im not sure if it can use my dvd burner instead of a tape drive

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LaidBack_01:

oh, one last thing, is it possible to use mythtv with postgresql instead of mysql? I really like postgres.... ;)

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dev-:

if you have a clean install you can just tar up your filesystems that are ncessary to recreate your box and scp them off to a fileserve or something bi-nightly

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GreyFoxx:

but most of my backups consist of rsyncing to a backup machine

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dev-:

or even weekly

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GreyFoxx:

LaidBack_01: Nope

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dev-:

no need to waste dvds

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GreyFoxx:

jerma: Amanda is intended to use tapes.

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jemarcks__:

hmm... back to the tar man pages. :D

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GreyFoxx:

but I'm sure someone has manipulated Amanda foo to backup to other media

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jemarcks__:

i just want a simple script to backup my system to dvd.. .and a way to restore if i have anotyer crash

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GreyFoxx:

Why not just sync to a 2nd drive ?

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jemarcks__:

i dont have a 2nd drive

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GreyFoxx:

It's not like DVD's are free :)

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GreyFoxx:

but, you could try www.freshmeat.net to see if someone has a "dump to dvd" type app up there

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jemarcks__:

greyfoxx. i know... i was wanting to use dvd+rw

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frox:

can anyone tell me if there is a way to goto a channel from the program guide? all i can manange to do is set up recordings for that channel

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dev-:

yeah its in the options.. i think its "directly change to channel" or some such

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dev-:

its in the options for program guide

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dev-:

i know exactly what you mean, that option should be on by default :) but whatever :)

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frox:

ok, i'll check it out, thanks

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dev-:

"Use select to change the channel in the program guide"

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dev-:

Setup->tv settings->program guide

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dev-:

np

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frox:

wow, even the wording is cryptic "use select to change the channel in the program guide" i had to read it 3 times to understand what the hell it was trying to say

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frox:

how about encoding settings any reccomendations? i.e. re-encoding recordings to divx or something

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frox:

or filters to use for recording

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frox:

i guess i'm just looking for general setup reccomendations

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fryfrog:

there are so many gorram myth settings ;p

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GreyFoxx:

There are many :)

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fryfrog:

i wish there was an external mythsettings program

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fryfrog:

that you could just run in X, not use the remote

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Beirdo:

there is... it's called "mysql"

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fryfrog:

yes, cause *that* is easy to use ;p

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fryfrog:

ahha, someone found my website search for "snake feces" :/

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dev-:

or use the keyboard :)

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dev-:

yes yes... how quaint

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fryfrog:

i just mean not having to flip through 100s of screens :)

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dev-:

yeah mysql then

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Beirdo:

there are many many settins, there will always be lots of screens

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dev-:

many many things to turn on off heh

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dev-:

took a good hour or so of time to go through them all

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dev-:

but its worth it to know how its laid out. especially when something 'doesnt work like you want and you thin kit should do x'

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dev-:

there's alot of times, a setting for it

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dev-:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

They could likely be laid out a little better, but yeah, there are a ton of them :)

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Beirdo:

time for lunc

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dagfinnr:

hello

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dagfinnr:

any of you have the m10000 mb here?(via epia)

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dagfinnr:

anyone here?

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dagfinnr:

hallo?

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a1fa:

hey.. quick question

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a1fa:

i can see console through my RCA output on the tv

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a1fa:

but when X starts, i get a blank screen

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a1fa:

what needs to be put in XF86Config, so it foceuses on RCA

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a1fa:

anybody home?

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dev-:

no

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a1fa:

must be the burgular

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a1fa:

:P

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a1fa:

i need to hop by walmart

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a1fa:

to pickup a 50' ethernet cable

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a1fa:

k

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a1fa:

brb

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Hoxzer:

is there any other way to setup pids than mythtv-setup scan?

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Hoxzer:

like manually coping from channels.conf or something

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_Nero_:

does SVN allow you to grab a past version?

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xris:

yes

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xris:

-r

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dagfinnr:

hello, anyone can helt me regarding irq conflicts installing debian

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dagfinnr:

?

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dagfinnr:

i have a m10000 mainboard. when i try to install debian, it locks up because usb/lan uses the same irq (#11).

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dagfinnr:

how can i solve this?

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_Nero_:

thanks xris. I was just thinking, isaac might want to post that livetv is not working on svn.mythtv.org and indicate which version it is working, so people can easily downgrade.. (I havent had a problem with it myself, but from the mailing list, it sounds like some are)

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_Nero_:

dagfinnr- play the PCI card moving around game, or set irqs in the bios.

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dagfinnr:

_Nero_: its an m10000 mini-itx mb.. everything integrated.

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_Nero_:

humm.. not sure then..

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_Nero_:

you may want to try running the installer with kernel arguments.. try acpi=no

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dagfinnr:

didnt work..still hangs in the install when loading the usb-uhci.o

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dagfinnr:

yesterday, i talked to some ppl here who had the m10000 and was running debian, would be cool to talk to them agaim

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_Nero_:

dogfinnr- does that motherboard have PS2, and do you have a PS2 keyboard/mouse? you could try installing with usb disabled in the bios?

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dagfinnr:

if i try installing with the setting: assign irq to usb – disable .. it works.. but then i dont have usb :/

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_Nero_:

yes, but can you re-enable usb after the install?

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_Nero_:

so install with ps2, then after it is all installed, re-enable usb..

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_Nero_:

I need to do that on my mobo with Redhat.. thing wont install if firewire is enabled.. so I turn off the onboard firewire, do the install, then afterwords enable it, and it works fine

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dagfinnr:

hm, i doubt that would work, but i can try.

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_Nero_:

shrug.. sorry I cant help more.. :(

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dagfinnr:

thanks for trying :)

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immolo:

would anyone be able to help get an old flyvideo using a saa7160 chipset working with lirc?

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a1fa:

hey

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a1fa:

when i startx

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a1fa:

it doesnt use my composite-out

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a1fa:

but instead uses that rgb moitor

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a1fa:

how do i tell it to use my rca out?

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a1fa:

anyone?

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a1fa:

aight

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a1fa:

that error is fixed with nvidia drivers

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jonK:

!s

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jonK:

hi! i mean to say

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jonK:

anyone around?

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** _Nero_ is **

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a1fa:

fresy debian

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a1fa:

fresh debian install :P

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a1fa:

time to get my hands dirty

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jonK:

hi

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_Nero_:

hi

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jonK:

I've broken mythweb somehow

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_Nero_:

thats no fun

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haxwell:

hi, a few days ago mythbackend starte crashing when trying to change channels with the directv.pl script. Anybody else see this?

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_Nero_:

jonK- svn or 0.18.1?

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jonK:

svn

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_Nero_:

just upgraded? I think I read something about the list of a change in how it accesses the DB..

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jonK:

in browsing through files i think i may need to add a couple apache modules, but an not sure

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_Nero_:

did you change your .htaccess file ot include the database info?

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jonK:

allow me to open shell and take a look

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a1fa:

what debian do you need to run for

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a1fa:

mythtv

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a1fa:

stable or unstable?

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_Nero_:

a1fa- I have no idea.. sorry..

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jonK:

a1fa, I've been running myth from ubuntu

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jonK:

like it very much

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a1fa:

jonK: stable or unstable?

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jonK:

ubuntu is debain based, but it does not follow the "stable" "unstable" dichotomy

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jonK:

instead, a new release is scheduled every 6 months

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jonK:

ok.. looking at .htaccess, im not sure what to do, when i try to connect the error does state that something is wrong with htacess and to set the "db_*" locations. but they are correct

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_Nero_:

jonK- did you look through the readme in mythweb? There is some info in there about settings that you may need to set on your apache server.

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jonK:

that's where i noticed that i may need to add the mod_env and mod_rewrite modules to my apache2 configuration

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jonK:

i note that in /etc/apache2/mods-available i have rewrite.load, so i can add that, but dont have an "env" mod

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jonK:

if that's what i need to do

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_Nero_:

not sure.. :/ I think my install had them by default..

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jonK:

ls

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a1fa:

anybody running myuth

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a1fa:

on stable tree

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_Nero_:

xris- you around?

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a1fa:

no

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jemarcks__:

ekk.. how do i remove a file called -z ?

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jemarcks__:

rm ./-z

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jemarcks__:

:P

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GreyFoxx:

rm — \-z

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_Nero_:

no wonder mythweb program listing is so slow.. its generating a 1.4meg html file.. :eek!:

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jonK:

woot! have it working again

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pookSter:

Evening everyone

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bk2:

hey all

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bk2:

anyone able to help me get mythgame working

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bk2:

I've got a bunch of roms in /myth/games/xmame/roms

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bk2:

I have catver.ini in /myth/games/xmame

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bk2:

but when I scan for games the screen flashes quickly dosn't look to be scanning for games like I've seen on other myth setups

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** pookSter will sandbag as he needs to get mythgame going too **

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bk2:

I think mythgame is scanning the wrong directory

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bk2:

where is this configured?

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pookSter:

bk2

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pookSter:

I don't know if this link will help you,

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jonK:

i dont know, but i bet the README file in the mythgames directory will tell you

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pookSter:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/39902

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GreyFoxx:

bk2: That should be configured in the mythgame settings. "General Settings" I think

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GreyFoxx:

bk2: It's been so long since I saw the old mythgame screens my memory is fuzzy

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GreyFoxx:

unless you are running an newer svn version

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pookSter:

bah, as soon as I install mythgame I get that segmentation fault again

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jonK:

I'd like to get mythgame working at somepoint

[23:35:00]

jonK:

i'd also like to get the HD3000 card working

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a1fa:

sorry

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a1fa:

i was away

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jonK:

i missed you

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pookSter:

Has there been any updates on the Segmentation fault on 64 bit systems yet?

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jonK:

i felt sad and lonely

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GreyFoxx:

pookSter: I don't remember reading on SEG's on 64 bit systems. But then I don't have one

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** pookSter feels all alone in mythtv world with his 64 bit cpu **

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pookSter:

http://bugzillaatrpms.net/show_bug.cgi?id=660

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cosmo__:

does myth not work on 64 bit systems?

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pookSter:

thats what I am taking about GreyFoxx

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pookSter:

the frontend won't run

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GreyFoxx:

cosmo__: It does according to everyone I know who uses it on a 64bit system :)

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pookSter:

unless I remove a bunch of plugins

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GreyFoxx:

EXCEPT for pook

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pookSter:

many people have this problem

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GreyFoxx:

And have those same people (haven't read any of that site yet) also tried compiling on their own? And are they referring to 0.18 release or SVN ?

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pookSter:

I'm not sure if they have or not

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pookSter:

they are probably in the same boat as me following jarod's tutorial

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xaid:

does anyone know if lowering the encoding quality on say, a Hauppage PVR 150 MCE to the minimum makes the delay bearable when connecting a console to the PVR card? or should I just get an old school analog tv capture card (like the Hauppage wintv-go plus card)?

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pookSter:

not knowing how to recompile

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GreyFoxx:

xaid: It will make no noticable difference

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nny:

hello

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pookSter:

hi nny

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nny:

i am setting up myth on an hp de-100c, and it has an intel 810 graphics adapter on board

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GreyFoxx:

xaid: There is an inherent delay on the card itself, and then the various layers it passes through. there has been talk about code changes to lower the overall delay, but I doubt those would be significant

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nny:

it defaults to TV out whenever composite is plugged in

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nny:

which rocks

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nny:

except Xfree86 doesn't play nice with the mode line and horiz/ vert

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nny:

so i need to edit my config for a nice safe "TV" setting

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xaid:

GreyFoxx: so you think if I want to connect a console to it, then I might as well get an old analog tv tuner (like the wintv-go)?

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GreyFoxx:

What do you mean a console? Like a video game console ?

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nny:

anyone know of an eye pleasing, yet safe refresh rate for a TV?

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xaid:

GreyFoxx: yes, a gamecube to be exact

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GreyFoxx:

xaid: Then yes you absolutely do not want to pass through a PVR card

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GreyFoxx:

you could always add a old framegrabber and then add an icon to the menu to launch xawtv or something for using ti to play games, but keep the pvr for regular "LiveTV" and recordings

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xaid:

GreyFoxx: thanks for the info. the strange thing is that the price difference is only 20$ between those two cards, so I was not sure if there was a way to do it or not with a pvr card.

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GreyFoxx:

it is "possible" to get the raw unencoded video, but I don't know of any app that supports it or if there is still a delay of any kind

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bk2:

hmm, if I make a mythgame user then I can scan roms

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xaid:

by an old framegrabber, you mean any of the cards that use the bttv driver for example, right?

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GreyFoxx:

ummmm what ?

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GreyFoxx:

xaid: correct

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bk2:

however in the past this all just worked without making a new user

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GreyFoxx:

bk2: There should be 0 reason you need to create a system user.

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bk2:

for mythgame right

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bk2:

how do I delete a user then?

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GreyFoxx:

a system user? userdel will often do it

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bk2:

not a system user

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bk2:

this is under the mythgame setup

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xaid:

GreyFoxx: thanks again, I'll see if I can get a cheap card that uses the bttv driver, and if the picture quality when watching tv on it is bad then I'll probably just return it and get the pvr card and worry about the gc later.

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bk2:

where should catver.ini reside?

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GreyFoxx:

bk2: Now, it/'s been a long time since I saw the old MythGame menus , but I don't remember there being anything relating to a mythgame "user" in there

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GreyFoxx:

bk2: It's irrelevant where as long as your settings point to the right location

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SGC|Home:

every time I run mythbackend, I get this :

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SGC|Home:

Query was: ALTER TABLE oldrecorded ADD COLUMN recordid INT NOT NULL DEFAULT 0;

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SGC|Home:

Error was: Driver error was [2/1016]:

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SGC|Home:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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SGC|Home:

Database error was:

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SGC|Home:

Can't open file: 'oldrecorded.MYI'. (errno: 145)

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SGC|Home:

new version: 1080

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SGC|Home:

2005-11–05 16:48:56.848 Database Schema upgrade FAILED, unlocking.

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SGC|Home:

2005-11–05 16:48:56.848 Couldn't upgrade database to new schema

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bk2:

setup->setup->media->game settings->game players

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SGC|Home:

I see lots of hits on google, but no solutions

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GreyFoxx:

bk2: Ahhhhh ok

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GreyFoxx:

So you are not using 0.18, and there is no menu setting for catver

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bk2:

but I didn't go this in the past

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GreyFoxx:

You are using an svn version

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bk2:

this is knoppmyth r22

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GreyFoxx:

Yes, it's a known problem. The people making knoppmyth packaged up a SVN version "by mistake" and put it out as if it was 0.18 release.

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SGC|Home:

any ideas on why I would get that? I can't run myth at all without getting past that it seems

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GreyFoxx:

however, to answer your questions, those are not users, not are setups for the various game playing software you configure.

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nny:

sooo... anyone gotta TV safe Xfree86 config?

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nny:

i found "Modeline "Pal" 15.00 688 790 810 960 530 560 580 625 Interlace

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nny:

which I edited the config file with, told default depth "16" to use mode "Pal" and rebooted

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GreyFoxx:

bk2: The current SVN version fo mythgame supports a more flexible method of adding different game players for different emulators. But it doesn't currently support using catver for "organizing" the roms

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nny:

need to figure out how to restart gdm, i am used to just using startx

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GreyFoxx:

in fact, catver.ini will never be used again

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SGC|Home:

nny, pkill gdm as sudo or root

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GreyFoxx:

It's being replaced by a database of rom info

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GreyFoxx:

which applies to many game systems

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a1fa:

omfg

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a1fa:

omfg.. this nvidia is pissing me off

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SGC|Home:

nny, it should restart, if not, just run gdm again

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a1fa:

pastebin?

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a1fa:

Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 7.1.0, but

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a1fa:

this X module is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel

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a1fa:

module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version.

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a1fa:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!

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a1fa:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting ***

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a1fa:

(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.

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GreyFoxx:

SGC|Home: You need to repair your oldrecorded table

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a1fa:

Fatal server error:

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a1fa:

no screens found

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SGC|Home:

GreyFoxx, by doing?

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GreyFoxx:

login to mysql

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GreyFoxx:

and do a "repair mythconverg.oldrecorded;"

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GreyFoxx:

when it's done you should be able to access it again

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bk2:

GREY: so, anyway to make this work

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a1fa:

any1 familiar with this screen error

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GreyFoxx:

bk2: with the version you have you must setup a gameplayer for xmame

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nny:

SGC|Home, yeah, i'll figure that out next, trying to figure out how to get Xfree86 to start with a modeline my TV likes

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bk2:

and where is catver.ini to be placed

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bk2:

looks like i need to specify the command to run mame also

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GreyFoxx:

nowhere. As I said the svn version of mythgame doesn't use catver at all, and wont again. the metadata sources are being replaced with a database of rom info whcih will apply to many different game types

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bk2:

so where is this database

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bk2:

as I have no idea what roms tie into the file names

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bk2:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

bk2: Yes, you have to specify the commandline. That also stops people from running into problems when the xmame people change their commandline arguments

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a1fa:

this is so annoying

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a1fa:

omfg

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a1fa:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!

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a1fa:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting ***

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a1fa:

(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.

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GreyFoxx:

bk2: The code to support the new romDB has not been commited yet and isn't available to anyone but me at the moment :)

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a1fa:

wtf?

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nny:

GreyFoxx, are you familiar with TV settings / modeline, vert/horiz, etc. in Xfree86?

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bk2:

ah

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bk2:

bugger

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