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Friday, November 4th, 2005, 00:03 UTC
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[00:12:00] jd86: can someone explain to me what a dvb card is??
[00:13:00] ivor: jd86: google would get you the best answers. dvb – digital video broadcasting. so a dvb card, card to capture digital video broadcasts.
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[00:13:00] jd86: i've been googling, but not finding straightfoward answers,, must be searching for wrong thing.. does it let me watch all of the digital channels i can with a box? or not the 'encrypted' ones?
[00:13:00] jd86: which is all of them
[00:17:00] GreyFoxx: It will give you access to non encyrpted ones
[00:17:00] jd86: ah, anyone have cox? how many channels if not all of them are encrypted? he
[00:17:00] darkskiez: unless u get a twinhan card with a CAM slot and a CAM for the provider and a subscription card, and write drivers to support it.
[00:18:00] jd86: ah. so pointless basically
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[00:20:00] prologic: What can I do with thse recorded .nuv files ?
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[00:20:00] prologic: I've set various transcode options in the frontend, but seems to not do anything :)
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[00:32:00] prologic: omg I can't delete recordings :/
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[00:41:00] Lightning: evening
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[00:50:00] simon_c_home: Hi all.
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[00:51:00] Lightning: simon_c_home: evening
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[00:51:00] simon_c_home: I'm setting up my encoding options. What's a sigested data rate for the mpeg4 encoding. ? Most of my TV is from the sky box,
[00:52:00] Lightning: i'm not sure, you'll have to wait and see if someone else answers
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[00:52:00] simon_c_home: Lightning: Thanks. Sometimes the silence on here is defining :-)
[00:52:00] xris: simon_c_home: with a bttv card? it'll suck no matter what.
[00:53:00] simon_c_home: xris: Yeh, it's a bttv card.
[00:54:00] simon_c_home: capturing AVin seems OK. Much better than capturing from the RF in.
[00:54:00] simon_c_home: I'm assuming I'm best capturing in rtjpeg, and then transcoding after capturing stuff.
[00:54:00] D-side: wonder why my ffmpeg install isnt sufficient for psp nuvexporting.
[00:55:00] xris: mpeg4 is better quality than rtjpeg.
[00:55:00] xris: D-side: it tells you why
[00:55:00] D-side: do i need to add a particular flag or something that i missed?
[00:55:00] xris: simon_c_home: I used to use like 2400kbps with the min/max stuff set at 0 and 1 (which resulted in about a 7000kbps file)
[00:55:00] xris: D-side: dunno.
[00:56:00] simon_c_home: xris: Better quality ? I thought the idea was to capture in rtjpeg, and then transcode it down.
[00:56:00] D-side: Your ffmpeg installation doesn't support encoding to psp video.
[00:56:00] D-side: thats about it.
[00:56:00] xris: D-side: ffmpeg -formats
[00:56:00] xris: needs to be able to encode psp and aac
[00:56:00] D-side: that'd do it. my jackass distro package probably is still boned.
[00:57:00] simon_c_home: and the gui warns of dire concequences of changing the max/min quality settings. .....
[00:58:00] xris: simon_c_home: yes... mpeg4 is smaller, but takes a lot more horsepower.. back when people were only using 700mhz boxes, etc.
[00:59:00] xris: "dire consequences" is that the bitrate setting them becomes very inaccurate.
[00:59:00] simon_c_home: Ahh. OK. This is running on a 1.8Ghz, and when it's encoding on the default mp4 settings, it only takes about 35% CPU, so I guess I can try these options that say about "using more CPU"
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[00:59:00] simon_c_home: xris: Thanks.
[00:59:00] xris: yeah, definitely check those
[01:00:00] erich141: did anyone have experience with making MythTV unicode-aware?
[01:01:00] erich141: I installed proper unicode fonts, changed collations/charsets in MySQL tables to UTF8, but MythTV still shows only question marks
[01:01:00] simon_c_home: And I'm guessing I should tick the interlaced options too.
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[01:07:00] Lightning: grr, bought a house that has an alarm system. the book is gone, trouble finding info on it on the net, and the only thing the paper says is 1 is on, 2 is off
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[01:13:00] D-side: well there goes that. allegedly my ffmpeg can encode psp.
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[01:26:00] jams: so any thoughts on why I would get "Bus error" right after starting mythfrontend? The screen flashs for a brief instant then goes away.
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[01:38:00] Chutt: jams, broken X?
[01:38:00] xris: heh, my boss just walked in and handed me the latest copy of linux journal.. with mythtv on the cover.
[01:38:00] Chutt: damnit
[01:38:00] Chutt: no one here has that in stock :(
[01:38:00] xris: haha
[01:39:00] xris: it's not available online?
[01:39:00] xris: shouldn't they have given you a free copy?
[01:39:00] Chutt: have to subscribe online
[01:39:00] kormoc: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8562
[01:39:00] Chutt: i didn't know about it until someone posted to the users list :p
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[01:40:00] Chutt: heh, cecil watson doesn't know how to use svn
[01:40:00] Chutt: or how it works.
[01:40:00] Chutt: he's trying to say that he followed the instructions for getting the fixes branch, but it gave him the trunk instead
[01:40:00] Chutt: because, after all, you get the same revision number when you check them both out.
[01:41:00] xris: heh
[01:41:00] kormoc: Chutt, they put out old ones online about a month later
[01:42:00] Chutt: yeah, but you don't get the actual magazine :p
[01:42:00] kormoc: heh, fair nuff :)
[01:42:00] Chutt: i'll just go check at the bookstore again in a day or two
[01:42:00] Chutt: hrm
[01:42:00] xris: I could scan it if you really want it. it's only 2 pages
[01:42:00] Chutt: naw, that's ok
[01:43:00] Chutt: i try to buy eveything with myth in it
[01:43:00] xris: wait, no there's more
[01:43:00] D-side: xris: who wrote it?
[01:43:00] kormoc: you won a FREE car*
[01:43:00] Chutt: ok, so, is it worse to accidently distribute a svn trunk checkout, or intentionally?
[01:43:00] kormoc: *Offer not valid without spending $204,000 at isteal.cc
[01:43:00] Chutt: if it were intentional, you'd think it would be tested slightly, and checked out when things were mostly stable
[01:44:00] Chutt: if it were accidental, it's all up in the air.
[01:44:00] xris: D-side: the main one by James Turner, and there's a second article about "advanced video processing" by Matthew Gast
[01:44:00] ivor: Chutt: heheheh. now I wonder who you're talking about. :)
[01:44:00] Agrajag-: xris: got a one sentence summary of what the article says?
[01:44:00] kormoc: Chutt, yeah, hrm. I guess it depends on the project. Some projects keep trunk very tight, other's no so much
[01:44:00] xris: Agrajag-: haven't read it — just got the magazine handed to me
[01:44:00] xris: the video processing one mentions nuvexport, though
[01:45:00] DarkBeer: what version of xmame does mythgame support? I have xmame .101 installed, but when I try to scan for games, mythgame reports "this version of xmame is not supported"
[01:45:00] Chutt: we _usually_ do, but dvb got rewritten right in the middle of this time period
[01:45:00] D-side: i'm going to have to pick it up.
[01:45:00] Chutt: mythgame's not really completely done, either
[01:45:00] DarkBeer: oh
[01:45:00] kormoc: Agrajag-, formatted as the mag has it... mythTV is no MYTH!
[01:45:00] Chutt: darkbeer, wasn't talking to you
[01:45:00] DarkBeer: oh (again) ;)
[01:46:00] xris: man, I want my own copy... LJ really shoudl give away copies of the magazine to the main authors of the software they write about.
[01:46:00] ivor: Chutt: have you had any problems with spam in the trac wiki at all?
[01:46:00] Chutt: ivor, none
[01:46:00] Chutt: well, except if you mean by real people being idiots
[01:47:00] ivor: hehe. was just pondering whether to leave mine open... surprised theres no captcha on anonymous posts.
[01:47:00] Chutt: then there's been one or two times
[01:47:00] Chutt: i don't remember if i allow anon wiki modifications or not
[01:47:00] Chutt: i think i still do
[01:47:00] ivor: yup the edit button is enabled.
[01:48:00] Chutt: really, i have more problems with people messing around with tickets
[01:48:00] Chutt: ie, i really hate it when someone reprioritizes something
[01:48:00] xris: haha, yeah.
[01:48:00] xris: at least needs a "must not be anonymous" option
[01:48:00] Chutt: or reopens something
[01:49:00] Chutt: xris, it needs a SUBMITTERISDUMB close tag
[01:49:00] xris: here's the link to the seond article: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8585
[01:49:00] xris: Chutt: I agree
[01:49:00] ivor: you can change the permissions to not allow ticket properties to be altered
[01:49:00] Chutt: ivor, yeah, but it's a pain
[01:49:00] ivor: i.e. anonymous can just add and append
[01:50:00] Chutt: trac really needs to be able to create accounts through the web interface
[01:50:00] ivor: * although I only speak from about 2 hours trac experience. :)
[01:50:00] ivor: Chutt: yeah thought that was a bit of an omission.
[01:50:00] Chutt: i should upgrade to more current svn
[01:50:00] Chutt: ivor, what version are you using?
[01:51:00] ivor: 0.9
[01:51:00] Chutt: yeah, i think i'm still using a 0.9-pre something
[01:53:00] Chutt: heh
[01:53:00] Chutt: i just deleted about half of ringbuffer.cpp
[01:54:00] Chutt: guess i should rename it sometime, too
[01:55:00] _Nero_: Say, speaking of svn.. Lets say I am working on mythgallery's glsingleview.cpp. New commit updates it. Can I still submit my patch? or do I have to update to the new version, re-input my code, and then upload a patch?
[01:55:00] Chutt: you should be able to update and have it merge things in.
[01:55:00] ivor: you up your code then diff
[01:56:00] _Nero_: oh.. svn should merge my new code with the new commit?
[01:56:00] _Nero_: (when I do svn update? )
[01:56:00] ivor: yup. if someones changes the same piece of code then you'll get a conflict and have to edit to fix it.
[01:56:00] _Nero_: ahhh.. great.. Thanks for the info! :)
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[01:59:00] Chutt: deleting large amounts of code is great.
[02:00:00] xris: heh
[02:00:00] xris: I like doing that, too... much consolidation
[02:00:00] xris: that won't happen in mythweb for awhile, though... need to run the old (ie. working) stuff in parallel with the new stuff
[02:01:00] Chutt: screw working stuff
[02:01:00] Chutt: i'm going to break live-tv pretty nicely, here =)
[02:01:00] Chutt: no channel changes =)
[02:01:00] Chutt: though i probably won't commit for a while
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[02:01:00] Chutt: the ring buffer no longer is a ring buffer =)
[02:01:00] ivor: hehe. time to test who reads the commit list? :D
[02:03:00] Lightning: Chutt, having fun?
[02:03:00] Chutt: in what sense?
[02:03:00] Lightning: destroying such hard work :P
[02:03:00] Chutt: this code isn't as fun as the new ui stuff, or the new db server
[02:04:00] Chutt: but ripping stuff apart is always good fun.
[02:04:00] Lightning: as soon as i scrape $600 for a box, i'll hopefully be helping, if allowed :)
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[02:10:00] Lightning: Chutt, so how far along are you on the change?
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[02:12:00] GreyFoxx: Dark`-`: SVN of mythgame doesn't care what version of xmame that you use
[02:12:00] Chutt: i'm not :p
[02:12:00] Chutt: live-tv starts and plays
[02:12:00] Chutt: no channel changing
[02:13:00] Lightning: any way i could help?
[02:14:00] Chutt: nope
[02:14:00] Chutt: too many changes at the moment
[02:14:00] Lightning: figured i would offer
[02:16:00] Chutt: sallright :p
[02:16:00] jams: chutt what sort of broken X? opengl or the nvidia driver?
[02:16:00] Chutt: jams, oh, i was just blindly guessing
[02:17:00] Chutt: no idea :p
[02:18:00] jams: drats I'm just poking at it blindly as well
[02:18:00] DarkBeer: GreyFoxx, ok. not running svn, still .18.1
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[02:22:00] Lightning: if the UI is not using libmythui, then what is using libmythui?
[02:22:00] frox: can anyone help, i have an ira-3 serial receiver, based on irman, and have managed to get it up and working with irrecord and the test program that comes with libirman, but when i start up lircd and then try irw or mode2, it crashes and says it can't open /dev/lirc
[02:23:00] Chutt: nothing is at the moment
[02:23:00] _Nero_: frox- does /dev/lirc have the correct permissions?
[02:23:00] Chutt: except the test app
[02:23:00] Lightning: oh, so libmythui works in theory and it all needs to be swapped
[02:24:00] Chutt: right
[02:24:00] Chutt: lotta rewriting of code
[02:24:00] Lightning: reading thru some of the reports
[02:24:00] Chutt: since libmythui's a lot cleaner than the old stuff
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[02:24:00] frox: nero, /dev/lirc is set to rwx for all users, it's just a simlink to /dev/ttyS0
[02:25:00] Lightning: wish i already had the hardware in my hands but waiting on a raise from work
[02:25:00] frox: and if irrecord can read from /dev/ttyS0, why wouldn't lircd be able to, also i am running this as root, so shouldn't have issues
[02:25:00] frox: and /dev/ttyS0 is crw-rw-rw-
[02:27:00] frox: any ideas?
[02:28:00] _Nero_: no.. I just know lirc is fickle as can be.. (and a PITA to get set up sometimes.. :/ ) My setup is a normal DIY serial receiver/transmitter..
[02:30:00] frox: allrighty, i'll just keep messing around, this is a big pain though
[02:30:00] _Nero_: took me a couple weeks to get it working.. (you probably didn't want to hear that ;) )
[02:30:00] Lightning: why not link ttyS0 to /dev/lirc?
[02:30:00] frox: it is linked
[02:30:00] Lightning: i forget if lircd can take a direct param for where to read from
[02:31:00] frox: yeah, you can specify --device
[02:31:00] Lightning: i assume irrecord is not left in memory or using something else to talk to the serial port, while lircd does a direct connect
[02:31:00] frox: but that doesn't work either, i just think it's crazy it doesn't work with lircd, but perfectly with irrecord
[02:32:00] Lightning: tried using anything else to read the comm port?
[02:32:00] Lightning: just to see if a direct connect works for other apps
[02:33:00] frox: what other apps?
[02:33:00] ** _Nero_ votes for lirc as the most aggrivating piece of linux software.. ;) **
[02:33:00] Lightning: cat /dev/ttyS0
[02:33:00] Lightning: although i'm not sure if that will work or not
[02:33:00] jams: naw lirc isn't that bad
[02:33:00] Lightning: just off the top of my head
[02:33:00] Chutt: svn's going down for a minute or two.
[02:34:00] ** Lightning screams NO **
[02:34:00] frox: jams, you got any ideas on this one?
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[02:41:00] jd86: ok i did it, i played with my transcoder junk and now crap looks like shit when i play it. can someone point me to a doc that tells me what those quality things really mean, and what should i use MPEG-4 or RTJPEG and can there be other codecs that work better available?
[02:42:00] kormoc: jd86, no other codecs, mpeg-4 is better then rtjpeg imho
[02:42:00] jd86: kormoc: what settings do you use generally?
[02:42:00] kormoc: I used mpeg-4 at 1100 bitrate
[02:43:00] jd86: what about those quality bars?
[02:43:00] GreyFoxx: I don't think I've ever seen any docs on the transcoding settings and peoples experience/comparisson of them
[02:43:00] jd86: i actually have it set higher than that
[02:43:00] jd86: for bitrate
[02:49:00] Chutt: hrm
[02:49:00] Chutt: seeming easy upgrade for trac
[02:49:00] Chutt: hope everything went ok
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[02:53:00] jams: hmm "QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty"
[02:53:00] jd86: ugh
[02:53:00] Chutt: jams, nothing uses qsettings in myth
[02:53:00] frox: Lightning, cat /dev/ttyS0 seems to be able to read my ir receiver, but lirc still won't work
[02:54:00] jams: odd that's on the console when I start mythfrontend
[02:54:00] jams: qt error?
[02:54:00] Chutt: heh
[02:54:00] Chutt: possibly
[02:54:00] Chutt: i'm _pretty_ sure that nothing in myth uses it
[02:56:00] jams: guess I could grep to find out
[02:57:00] frox: when i go to configure lirc from source, i'm getting something like "your hardware does not require kernel modules" could this be part of the problem?
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[02:59:00] jams: no qsettings
[03:01:00] Lightning: strange
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[03:07:00] jemarcks_: I am setting up a new myth box based on fc4 and jarods guide. I am having trouble getting mysql to work. Mythfrontend says 2005-11–03 20:06:28.182 Unable to connect to database!
[03:07:00] jemarcks_: 2005-11–03 20:06:28.182 Driver error was [1/1130]:
[03:07:00] jemarcks_: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[03:07:00] jemarcks_: Database error was:
[03:07:00] jemarcks_: Host '192.168.0.120' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server
[03:08:00] jemarcks_: can i fix it or would it be easier to delete the mysql database and start over with the setup guide at that point?
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[03:09:00] Lightning: xris may be able to help with the DB question
[03:09:00] jemarcks_: xris, howdy
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[03:09:00] xris: Lightning: ??
[03:09:00] jams: jemarcks_ it's in the mythtv docs
[03:09:00] jemarcks_: jams, what is?
[03:09:00] jemarcks_: fixing it or deleteiing it?
[03:09:00] Lightning: jemarcks_ was having trouble with the frontend unable to connect
[03:09:00] jams: fixing it
[03:10:00] jams: section 6.2
[03:10:00] jemarcks_: ah... how hard is it? mythbackend is up and running and recording programs fine.
[03:10:00] jemarcks_: ok... leme look...
[03:10:00] jams: it's a sql statement
[03:10:00] xris: Lightning: ahh. I wasn't around for that.
[03:10:00] xris: just got home.
[03:11:00] Lightning: ah
[03:11:00] jemarcks_: hi xris
[03:14:00] frox: Lightning, i got the stupid thing to work
[03:15:00] frox: i was using a setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none command and aparently it was killing off my lirc communication, so i bailed on that, didn't load any modules, and forced lircd to use /dev/ttyS0 and the irman driver
[03:16:00] frox: thanks for the help, going to go play some foos, then come back and finish my configuration
[03:17:00] Lightning: frox: i seem to recall someplace saying that lircd requires no setserial commands to function but i did not think of it earilier
[03:17:00] xris: hmm, the linuxjournal article author didn't do his homework
[03:17:00] jemarcks_: lightning, i didnt see anything that was helpful in 6.2. i did try to change the permissions but it didnt work.... [root@htpc1 ~]# mysql -u root mythconverg
[03:17:00] jemarcks_: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[03:17:00] jemarcks_: [root@htpc1 ~]#
[03:18:00] Lightning: looks like the root user has a pass on the database
[03:18:00] Lightning: the root user in mysql, not the root on the machine
[03:18:00] jemarcks_: i must have done something stupid to it.
[03:19:00] jemarcks_: ah... hmmm....
[03:19:00] _Nero_: jemarcks- did you set a password? if so, try mysql -u root mythconverg -p
[03:19:00] jemarcks_: when i first set it up, i could run mythfilldatabase... now it wont run anymore.
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[03:20:00] jemarcks_: ah.. that worked!!!! i got in
[03:20:00] jemarcks_: now what?
[03:20:00] _Nero_: what are you trying to do?
[03:20:00] jemarcks_: _nero_, mythfrontend wont connect to the database.
[03:21:00] jemarcks_: 2005-11–03 20:06:28.182 Unable to connect to database!
[03:21:00] jemarcks_: 2005-11–03 20:06:28.182 Driver error was [1/1130]:
[03:21:00] jemarcks_: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[03:21:00] jemarcks_: Database error was:
[03:21:00] jemarcks_: Host '192.168.0.120' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server
[03:22:00] jemarcks_: i dont know how to fix it
[03:22:00] _Nero_: you need to grand permission to the database for mythtv@192.168.0.120..
[03:23:00] jemarcks_: how do i do that?
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[03:23:00] jemarcks_: 192.168.0.120 is htpc1. my backend/frontend box
[03:24:00] jemarcks_: mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%.mydomain.com" identified by "mythtv"; ??
[03:24:00] spacko: http://spacko.sky.prohosting.com/
[03:25:00] xris: jemarcks_: that won't work right... mysql is wacky with domain names and unless you have perfect reverse dns set up, granting by IP is much more reliable
[03:25:00] spacko: http://spacko.sky.prohosting.com/
[03:25:00] _Nero_: jemarcks_ I would do "to mythtv@%" or, if the 120 machine is the only one, do mythtv@192.168.0.120
[03:25:00] jemarcks_: xris, thanks... im open to working suggestions
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[03:25:00] jemarcks_: i also have a frontend only box in the living room (192.168.0.115)
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[03:26:00] spacko: lol
[03:26:00] spacko: http://spacko.sky.prohosting.com/
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[03:26:00] _Nero_: then grand on both..
[03:26:00] jemarcks_: get a rope! lol
[03:26:00] ** xris needs to read up on ban **
[03:26:00] _Nero_: (I think 192.168.0.% works?)
[03:26:00] xris sets mode +b %spacko!*@*
[03:26:00] _Nero_: or would it be 192.168.0.0 to allow on that subnet?
[03:26:00] _Nero_: cant remember.
[03:27:00] xris sets mode -o xris
[03:27:00] jemarcks_: mythtv@"192.168.1.%" is from the myth docs
[03:27:00] _Nero_: then do mythtv@"192.168.0.%"
[03:28:00] xris: or 192.168.%
[03:28:00] xris: % is like * in a shell glob
[03:28:00] Dagmar: Even though the docs suck for it, % is definitely the wildcard for SQL
[03:29:00] Dagmar: MySQL's site makes it sound like it only works on their Win32 release or something.  :/
[03:29:00] jemarcks_: i did mythtv@"192.168.1.%"
[03:29:00] jemarcks_: lets see if it works.....
[03:29:00] _Nero_: jemarcks- your subnet is 192.168.0.%
[03:29:00] Dagmar: Personally, I think they should up and use CIDR, but they're doing string matches so they can be lazy about host resolution.
[03:30:00] Dagmar: Classed domain routing became obsolete a decade ago.. People need to quit using it.
[03:30:00] jemarcks_: IT WORKS!
[03:30:00] xris: Dagmar: as opposed to /24 type addressing?
[03:30:00] jemarcks_: :D
[03:31:00] _Nero_: yay
[03:31:00] Dagmar: xris: "/24" implies CIDR to me. That net/masklen notation is what people should be using.
[03:31:00] jemarcks_: thanks to all who helped
[03:31:00] jemarcks_: dont know how it got messed up but now it works
[03:31:00] jemarcks_: im off to play...
[03:32:00] Dagmar: It's far more precise, and considerably easier to understand it with respect to how routing plays into the calculations.
[03:32:00] xris: Dagmar: exactly.. like how we use a /23 for our dhcp at work
[03:32:00] Dagmar: xris: You guys are doing the right thing then.
[03:32:00] xris: Dagmar: we're a company of geeks. heh. surprised we're not using v6
[03:32:00] Dagmar: If you guys tried to hand out that same netblock using classed notation, you'd be driving users and engineers mad.  ;)
[03:33:00] xris: yes
[03:33:00] xris: mysql is even worse for that, though... not even blocks, but just string matching.
[03:33:00] xris: and their hostname matching SUCKS.
[03:35:00] Dagmar: Yep
[03:35:00] Dagmar: ...but they're tied to it by SQL, so it's not really their fault.
[03:35:00] xris: cest la vie
[03:35:00] frox: in that mythrc file in your personal myth directory where you map commands to functions in mythtv, can you map multiple commands to the same function... ie.. guide = G from keyboard or guide=GUIDE from remote?
[03:36:00] _Nero_: frox- use ~/.mythtv/lircrc to do your remote control commands.
[03:37:00] frox: ok, cool, thanks
[03:39:00] frox: anyone know if you can run a mythfrontend over a wan to a windows client, or xbox in my case, i'm wondering beacuse of the samba shares
[03:40:00] xris: what samba shares?
[03:40:00] Dagmar: Running the _frontend_ over a LAN to a _client_ on another host?
[03:40:00] xris: and no, WAN (wide area network) is likely too slow, unless you have a T1
[03:40:00] frox: dagmar, running a frontend to a remote backend
[03:40:00] dev-: even a t1 would probably be too slow.. better off useing mythstream for wan type stuff
[03:41:00] dev-: then you can use anything with a media player
[03:41:00] frox: dev- thanks, i'll have to look into that
[03:41:00] frox: do you have to somehow have mythtv latch on to lircd?
[03:42:00] dev-: mythstream is a plugin for mythweb. it uses vlc to transcode output on the fly to something another format, smaller for cable//dsl/whatever
[03:42:00] Dagmar: Not really. If you have lirc/lircd configured properly, MythTV should start it on it's own
[03:42:00] Dagmar: MythWeb works with mythstream as well, and it's so nice
[03:42:00] dev-: frox: you just need to makesure you have lircrc in ~/.mythtv
[03:43:00] frox: ok, cool thanks
[03:43:00] frox: yeah, i have lircrc in ~/,mythtv
[03:43:00] frox: but the red "ir power light" won't turn on unless i run "irw" or "
[03:43:00] xris: man, I really need to make it easier to hook mythstreamtv to mythweb
[03:43:00] frox: cat /dev/ttyS0, or the like
[03:43:00] xris: and other plugins, too
[03:43:00] dev-: just need lircd started, and that file, and you're set.
[03:43:00] dev-: you'll need ~/.lircrc for xine/mplayer though if you're going to use those
[03:45:00] frox: hmm.. well... lircd is definatly started ps -aux | grep lirc gives my lircd running and that file definatly exists, but it doesn't seem to initalize the device or something
[03:45:00] frox: i'll have to check the logs
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[03:51:00] frox: got it, it was cause i had switch over to console and used irw so it stole control from mythtv
[03:51:00] Lightning: haha :P
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[03:55:00] xris: Chutt: happy? another mythweb commit.
[03:56:00] ** jasta is setting up mythtv right now ;) **
[03:56:00] jasta: trying it out over freevo. freevo's music playlist management is just terrible.
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[03:57:00] dev-: http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/bird-flu.jpg
[03:57:00] dev-: hehe
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[04:17:00] Lightning: haha, mythlogbot flooded
[04:17:00] xris: Lightning: no. netsplit
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[04:17:00] Lightning: so i see, but it then was booted due to mass private msg flooding
[04:19:00] xris: oh. heh.
[04:19:00] ** xris pokes Beirdo **
[04:19:00] Lightning: that was my entertainment for the day
[04:19:00] xris: heh
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[04:21:00] Lightning: http://tinyurl.com/7kjv4 hmm, a patent application of story writing. amazing what people try to patent
[04:21:00] Lightning: correction, patent a plot of a story
[04:22:00] Dagmar: I know some people who tried to patent f**king, and another guy who was looking for financial assistance to apply for a patent on masturbation
[04:23:00] Dagmar: It's generally assumed that if you make it sound technical enough, and submit it again after the first rejection, it'll likely pass.
[04:24:00] xris: Dagmar: what's the point if the first time it goes to court it'll get thrown out?
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[04:24:00] Lightning: xris: most people will pay instead of going to court and fighting due to cost
[04:25:00] xris: yeah. but for something dumb like that?
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[04:25:00] Lightning: there was a patent over how barcodes were read, long after barcodes were being used. most companies gave in until they went after one of the larger barcode producers (before, they were going after end users) and had the patent rejected
[04:26:00] Lightning: you'd be surprised
[04:28:00] xris: but who do you sue for violating your masturbation patent?
[04:28:00] Dagmar: xris: The point(s) is/are that you for a time hold a patent on f**king, you get to show that the patent system is not working as intended in a very news-friendly way, and if you really want to be a bastard, you could probably shake down the whorehouses in Nevada on patent infringement for a few freebies
[04:29:00] xris: until someone fights back and you have to pay retroactive "harassment" damages
[04:29:00] xris: and you do NOT f*ck with the sex industry... they fight back bigtime.
[04:29:00] Dagmar: ...since that last one is basically what a lot of "IP clearinghouse" companies are doing. Filing for and getting patents that they know are crap, because they'll be able to threaten people with a lawsuit and settle out of court
[04:29:00] Dagmar: Another really great example... Some dude applied for a patent for a removable plastic sheet to put on the display of his sonar fishfinder to protect it from the elements.
[04:29:00] xris: heh
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[04:31:00] sock: >:E @ mythtv
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[04:31:00] Dagmar: He got the patent.
[04:31:00] Dagmar: Now he's managed to successfully prevent lots of people from selling PDA screen protectors on eBay by complaining they're infringing on his patent as well as shake down a few of the smaller companies selling PDA screen protectors
[04:31:00] Dagmar: ...nevermind that disposable plastic sheets have been coming attached to delicate glass displays from the manufacturer since I was a little kid.
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[04:33:00] Dagmar_: Jesus the network is borked tonight
[04:34:00] Dagmar: Lag is teh suck.
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[04:34:00] Beirdo: stupid-ass bot
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[04:35:00] Lightning: anyone have an extra $600 they could toss this way?
[04:35:00] Lightning: :)
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[04:35:00] Dagmar_: Wow this is actually the worst I've ever seen this network
[04:36:00] Dagmar_: I think I'll go back to coding while they get it sorted out. I *know* they're going to have to drop servers now. Things are actually desynched
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[04:36:00] Lightning: it is catching up :)
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[04:40:00] sock: wheee
[04:40:00] sock: so any pcHDtv 3000 users here?
[04:41:00] Chutt: what's the obversion to saying fuck?
[04:41:00] Chutt: err, aversion
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[04:41:00] sock: Chutt, er, it's a curse?
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[04:44:00] Dagmar_: The annoying thing is that with it screwed up like this I can't even take my @#$@ nickname back
[04:44:00] Beirdo: MythLogBot, help
[04:44:00] sock: heh
[04:44:00] sock: it'll get resolved
[04:45:00] Beirdo: MythLogBot: help
[04:45:00] Lightning: dagmar, nickserv wont book it?
[04:45:00] Lightning: err, boot it
[04:45:00] Beirdo: stupid bitchy bot
[04:45:00] Beirdo: stupid bitchy network
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[04:47:00] ** Beirdo kicks MythLogBot in the nuts **
[04:47:00] Dagmar_: Lightning: It's so badly desyched it's been claiming the nick isn't even in use
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[04:48:00] D-side: i wonder if this network has unfucked itself
[04:48:00] Lightning: ouch. reminds me of efnet a few years ago when 3 or 4 main servers were determined and attacked
[04:48:00] D-side: or, undernet every day.
[04:48:00] Dagmar_: Lightning: Damn script kiddies. I never need to take one all the way down
[04:49:00] Dagmar_: s/need/needed/
[04:49:00] Lightning: Dagmar_: it seems they would make their rounds as at that time, i would be on 3 or 4 networks and A would go down, then garenteed C would be next, then B. over a period of a few months
[04:50:00] Dagmar_: That would definitely have been script kiddies then
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[04:51:00] Dagmar_: Bah. We must be under the oppressive heel of no-nickchange-during-disconnected-mode
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[04:52:00] Lightning: brings back memories. been a few years since i've been on irc
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[04:53:00] Beirdo: dammit, lilo, fix your network!
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[04:54:00] ** Lightning watches lilo smite Beirdo **
[04:54:00] Lightning: :P
[04:55:00] Dagmar_: *sigh* /topic #Se2600 /sbin/lilo -P /dev/freenode.net -A /proc/bus/ircII
[04:55:00] Lightning: heh
[04:56:00] Dagmar_: fun. Wrong @#$@ window and munged argument
[04:56:00] Dagmar_: Should have been "-P fix"
[04:56:00] sock: heh
[04:56:00] Lightning: or cat /dev/null > /dev/freenode.net
[05:00:00] sock: more like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/freenode.net
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[05:04:00] TaD: any suggestions on how to get transports/pids configured if your dvb-t card won't find any channels when you scan in mythtv-setup. the card works, other apps (eg: xine) using channels.conf have no problems tuning into channels
[05:05:00] sock: you can add those manually
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[05:08:00] sock: TaD, http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . 5d1c08d7731c
[05:09:00] Chutt: knoppmyth is broken.
[05:09:00] Chutt: do not use it, ask for support for it, etc.
[05:09:00] TaD: sock: swwet! looks like exactly what I need, thanks
[05:10:00] jasta: i found that out the hard way, although im trying to recover the box that it installed.
[05:10:00] Dagmar_: lol
[05:10:00] sock: TaD, no problem
[05:10:00] sock: Chutt, Yes knoppmyth is terribly broken, but there are resources on their forum for other purposes =D
[05:10:00] Dagmar_: And here I thought everyone would nimbly dodge the sharp broken parts in 5a22
[05:10:00] jasta: I'm honestly having a lot of trouble install this thing gracefully with Debian.
[05:10:00] sock: I've found that once you get Gentoo installed, installing Myth is really freakin easy
[05:10:00] jasta: I think that the recommended Deb sources are really broken.
[05:10:00] Chutt: sock, it's broken because the maintainer "accidently" stuck a truck svn checkout in a22.
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[05:11:00] sock: jasta, try gentoo, if you understand linux pretty well =D
[05:11:00] Chutt: so i bet those docs, especially since they deal with dvb, are completely wrong :p
[05:11:00] sock: Chutt, the database hasn't changed format much, so it should import ok.
[05:11:00] Chutt: sock, yes, it has
[05:11:00] Chutt: dvb's been redone
[05:11:00] Chutt: i don't know _when_ he did his checkout, but it was somewhere in the middle of the dvb rewrite.
[05:12:00] sock: oh in knoppmyth?
[05:12:00] Chutt: yes.
[05:12:00] jasta: sock: I don't prefer Gentoo. I'd prefer to just talk to the Debian package maintainer and confirm that they are in fact broken; then fix them.
[05:12:00] sock: oh i dont use it heh
[05:12:00] sock: jasta, I like ubuntu for my laptop, but a friend at the VLSI lab convinced me to try gentoo, and I do like it, though it's tricky to install sometimes.
[05:13:00] jasta: This isn't Debian's brokenness, it appears to be a lazy package maintainer.
[05:13:00] sock: I have a box running almost every flavor of linux though, heh.
[05:13:00] sock: jasta, that happens
[05:13:00] Chutt: the old package maintainer for the debian myth packages doesn't work on debian anymore.
[05:13:00] jasta: mythtv itself installs properly from debian testing and unstable, but the mythplugins (the reason i want to use mythtv) are set to depend on packages in debian unstable that conflict with th eother mythtv dependencies.
[05:14:00] jasta: KDE and QT libraries.
[05:14:00] sock: well install it from source, it isn't that hard heh
[05:14:00] jasta: well, basically i need to pick which target branch to use and refresh from that.
[05:15:00] sock: ntsc on pchdtv cards really sucks heh
[05:15:00] jasta: then i can build the rest from source.
[05:15:00] jasta: im thinking i should go with debian unstable.
[05:15:00] jasta: but i hate the idea of using unstable on my media box
[05:15:00] sock: deb stable is kernel 2.4 something isn't it?
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[05:16:00] jasta: probably. i usually prefer testing.
[05:16:00] jasta: i think deb stable has 2.6.x packaged, though.
[05:16:00] Dagmar: Geez. I can't believe I had to quit and restart just to make it let me get my nick back and stop spamming me with identify requests
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[05:17:00] jasta: i feel like bootstrapping this machine all over again :)
[05:17:00] jasta: i installed from KnoppMyth and it was all kinds of broken :)
[05:17:00] sock: 2.6 is pretty nice, lots of positive changes
[05:17:00] sock: haha yea i gave up on knoppmyth
[05:17:00] jasta: well, theres no reason to give up on it
[05:18:00] jasta: i already installed a debian setup from it. so i might as well just keep using that install :)
[05:18:00] jasta: i should probably try to find better deb sources for mythtv on the testing branch
[05:19:00] jasta: this is a lot of work just to try out mythtv though :)
[05:20:00] jasta: i only intend on using mythvideo and mythmusic anyway.
[05:20:00] jasta: and im not all that impressed by the screenshots. sigh, this is gonna be a huge project :)
[05:20:00] sock: heh
[05:20:00] Dagmar: KnoppMyth is useable if you already understand fully how to install Linux and build and configure MythTV.
[05:20:00] Chutt: then stop taking up space in here.
[05:21:00] Dagmar: ...because then you can force it around all the things which just don't work right.
[05:21:00] sock: Dagmar, yea because when you install knoppmyth you have to rebuild everything heh
[05:21:00] jasta: Chutt: I'm referring, of course, to developing on mythmusic.
[05:21:00] Chutt: hahahaha
[05:21:00] Chutt: you?
[05:21:00] Dagmar: sock: I was a little horrified at what dpkg update did
[05:21:00] jasta: Chutt: Does that surprise you?
[05:21:00] Chutt: yes, it does.
[05:21:00] sock: wow chutt you need to get out of your parents basement and be nicer :)
[05:21:00] jasta: It shouldn't.
[05:21:00] Chutt: why? you can't code :p
[05:21:00] Beirdo: sock: you need to learn some respect :)
[05:22:00] Dagmar: sock: I got it to work without rebuilding anything, but I definitely had to intercede at several key points and tell it to do something other than what it wanted to do
[05:22:00] jasta: I suppose not. I've never really written anything important before.
[05:22:00] jasta: Certainly nothing as important as MythTV before.
[05:22:00] Chutt: sock, i've been in the same irc channels as jasta for years.
[05:22:00] jasta: sock: I'm humoring him because he's a clueless retard :)
[05:22:00] Beirdo: hahahah
[05:22:00] Beirdo: that's rich
[05:23:00] D-side: this ought to get good soon.
[05:23:00] sock: *sigh*
[05:23:00] jasta: I doubt it. I'm just being jestful.
[05:25:00] jasta: I must admit it is the slightest bit concerning that MythMusic is 20 some odd thousand lines of code. I wonder if that speaks poorly of the MythTV framework, or of the lunatic that wrote MythMusic.
[05:25:00] Chutt: heh
[05:26:00] Beirdo: jasta: you can at least pretend to be civil, I'm sure the newbies don't know when you're joking :)
[05:26:00] Chutt: it's closer to 30k
[05:26:00] jasta: Real men don't count headers.
[05:26:00] Chutt: real men count c and .cpp
[05:26:00] Beirdo: real men don't eat quiche
[05:26:00] FITH: ACK... ****ing Shaw cable anyways.... They add one channel to their listings... no problem... but to add this one channel they moved about *15* other channels, and unless i've missed something, didn't tell anyone until the day it happened (including zap2it)
[05:27:00] Beirdo: Go, Shaw :)
[05:27:00] jasta: I wonder what this Goom thing is.
[05:27:00] Beirdo: Rogers ain't much better
[05:27:00] Chutt: visualizer
[05:27:00] jasta: I should've guessed.
[05:27:00] jasta: There's really only one feature I want of MythMusic that I intend to hack in if not already present.
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[05:28:00] jasta: I rather like how Freevo automagically downloads Amazon.com cover art and the like.
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[05:28:00] jasta: I also had the idea to download reviews and links to artist bios and full discographies and make use of the Amazon.com "networks".
[05:29:00] Chutt: too annoying to make each and every user sign up for that
[05:29:00] jasta: It'd be cool to be able to construct playlists based on Amazon's "customers who like ..., also bought ..." for media you already have.
[05:29:00] FITH: Hmm, okay, never having done this before, if the channel listings change out from under me, I just need to go to mythtv-setup -> video sources -> retrieve lineup when zap2it get's their act together right?
[05:29:00] jasta: Chutt: Well, you could always build it into mythtv-setup with a little LWP/HTML::Form glue :)
[05:29:00] Chutt: yeah, but it's a pain
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[05:31:00] jasta: I still intend to add the feature. I think it's useful, and everybody should already subscribe to Amazon web services.
[05:31:00] jasta: Or at the very least I'd like it to look for a cover.jpg file or something similar.
[05:31:00] jasta: Which I can provide via Amazon :)
[05:31:00] Chutt: sure
[05:32:00] jasta: what a shame — part of the MythMusic bloat is from implementing their own metadata library.
[05:32:00] jasta: One of my "Woulda Been Great" projects of old was to build a generic, all-purpose meta data library.
[05:32:00] Chutt: yup
[05:32:00] jasta: But instead I implemented my own in giFT hehe.
[05:32:00] jasta: At least mine builds to a libmeta.la
[05:32:00] Chutt: and look where that got you
[05:32:00] FITH: hmm, mythtv-setup and mythfilldatabase maybe....
[05:33:00] jasta: I still may do something like that.
[05:33:00] jasta: It really would be a great library to be around.
[05:33:00] jasta: Part of what discouraged me originally was the fact that for it to be packaged in a useful way, it will require a huge volume of external dependencies.
[05:34:00] FITH: Oh crap... Do I need to flush out the lineups that have already been downloaded too?
[05:34:00] jasta: I thought about working around that by intentionally allowing the library to dynamically open its deps.
[05:34:00] Chutt: fith, all you really need to do is run mythfilldatabase with the --do_channel_updates option
[05:34:00] jasta: So that it could be easier for distributions ot manage the ludicrous external deps.
[05:34:00] FITH: Chutt: OH! DOH... that'll teach me to not read all the docs :-/
[05:34:00] Chutt: heh
[05:34:00] Chutt: you _can_ wipe your program db if you'd like, though
[05:35:00] FITH: Hmmm, I'll see if the data follows the new channels first maybe.... good to know tho
[05:38:00] jasta: Chutt: What do you work on these days btw?
[05:38:00] Chutt: uhh
[05:38:00] Chutt: mythtv?
[05:39:00] Beirdo: heheh
[05:39:00] jasta: How boring ;)
[05:39:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[05:39:00] Chutt: it's something to do in my spare time
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[05:39:00] jasta: I am considering experimenting with an implementation of Monad in Mono.
[05:40:00] jasta: Monad demonstrates impressive creativity from the Microsoft camp.
[05:40:00] jasta: And I think UNIX could Do It Better (TM) :)
[05:41:00] Beirdo: I think it's bedtime
[05:41:00] jasta: Unfortunately C# is doubtful to become ubiquitous enough for such a project to survive, but I'd like to at least press the idea of a structured pipe onto the UNIX world.
[05:41:00] jasta: I've wanted a structured pipe for years, I just never had imagined that such a shell could ever functionally be produced.
[05:42:00] jasta: Of course it makes a lot more sense that Microsoft was able to realize it, what with their focus on uber generalization these days.
[05:42:00] Beirdo: jeez, now he's preaching pro-MS tripe
[05:42:00] Beirdo: heh
[05:43:00] Beirdo: I must be dreaming..... time for bed
[05:43:00] jasta: It isn't necessarily pro-MS. They put some real brain food out there though.
[05:43:00] jasta: I am confident that if the UNIX world wants to bite, it will be a truly useful idea.
[05:43:00] jasta: Plus, M$ is hardly to be credited for the shell, or even the idea of a structured pipe. They just finally managed to hobble together a workable implementation where others had failed.
[05:44:00] jasta: They shamelessly lifted Perl syntax and joined it with a properly structured .NET pipe.
[05:44:00] jasta: I mean for crying out loud, you can write: 0 .. 10 | foreach { print $_ }
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[05:56:00] jasta: lol Chutt.
[05:56:00] jasta: Dan just came home :)
[05:57:00] jasta: Are the MythPlugins maintained separate from MythTV?
[05:59:00] xris: jasta: same svn tree
[05:59:00] xris: same devs have access to everything
[05:59:00] jasta: Damn, ok.
[06:01:00] Chutt: and i'm in charge of it all
[06:01:00] Chutt: :p
[06:02:00] xris: danielk will take over soon by sheer volume of commits. heh.
[06:02:00] Chutt: heh
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[06:02:00] Chutt: true
[06:02:00] Chutt: he's been taking over the patching duty
[06:03:00] Chutt: gives me a lot more free time to break stuff
[06:03:00] xris: heh
[06:03:00] xris: yeah. good delegation choice.  :
[06:03:00] xris: :)
[06:04:00] Chutt: i'm trying to decide if i should just break live-tv in svn or not
[06:05:00] Captain_Murdoch: sure, go ahead, I just upgraded all my systems to HEAD. ;)
[06:05:00] xris: I'm good for awhile.. as long as no one changes the mythproto version string
[06:06:00] Chutt: oh
[06:06:00] Chutt: i was going to do that, too
[06:06:00] Chutt: and the lib version
[06:06:00] Chutt: i should wait a few more days, i guess
[06:06:00] xris: heh
[06:06:00] Chutt: minimize those changes
[06:07:00] xris: I can always hold off updating my copy of mythweb if you bump that.
[06:07:00] Chutt: save some compiling for other people
[06:07:00] Chutt: naw, i'll wait
[06:07:00] Chutt: since you're actually working on stuff, gotta encourage :p
[06:09:00] jasta: Cute. MythTV failed to compile and it looks as though the author (whichever genius that must have been) intentionally ignored C syntax and just magically inventing some new language for himself.
[06:09:00] ** jasta looks in Chutt's general direction **
[06:09:00] jasta: Actually it's libavcodec, anyway :)
[06:09:00] xris: holy crap I have a lot of tickets to fix
[06:10:00] jasta: struct AVOption; extern const struct AVOption foo; qua?
[06:10:00] xris: Chutt: hey, my chiropractor and acupuncturist both told me that I could wait 2 weeks between appts now.. I have to prove them wrong. heh.
[06:10:00] Chutt: don't ask me, that's the ffmpeg people
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[06:10:00] jasta: Isn't that some archaic GCC extension?
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[06:10:00] Chutt: xris, yes, you have lots of tickets :p
[06:10:00] Chutt: but don't kill yourself or anything
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[06:11:00] Chutt: they've fixed that avoption stuff in newer snapshots, anyway.
[06:11:00] jasta: i don't even remember what that extension is called or how to turn it back on again. arrrgh.
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[06:12:00] Chutt: cecil's still not replied.
[06:12:00] Chutt: how sad.
[06:13:00] Captain_Murdoch: should the popup keyboard popup anytime you hit ENTER on a lineedit?
[06:13:00] Chutt: yup
[06:14:00] Chutt: there's a few popups that need fixed for that
[06:14:00] Captain_Murdoch: was used to being able to hit ENTER to accept a screen, now have to go to the button to accept.
[06:14:00] Chutt: yeah
[06:14:00] Chutt: dunno what else to make it trigger, though
[06:15:00] Chutt: enter makes the most sense from a user with a remote perspective
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[06:16:00] Captain_Murdoch: setting up mythjobqueue on my fileserver so I can have it do a few things. could use F1?  :) dpends on how your remote is mapped. if a dialog doesn't have an OK/ACCEPT button, you have to hit CTRL-ENTER to accept it now where you could just hit ENTER before.
[06:17:00] Chutt: all dialogs with line edits need an ok button
[06:17:00] Chutt: :p
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[06:18:00] Captain_Murdoch: The title/subtitle editor doesn't have one, that's how I noticed this. I think there are a few others also.
[06:18:00] Chutt: right
[06:18:00] Chutt: it's on my 'things to fix before release' list
[06:18:00] Captain_Murdoch: :)
[06:19:00] Chutt: hoping that other people will fix them first, though =)
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[06:23:00] Varanger: hello!
[06:23:00] Captain_Murdoch: :) part of the reason I updated today so I could see what I find that I can take care of (since I'm about one-handed right now)
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[06:23:00] ** xris goes on a commit spree **
[06:23:00] Varanger: What's the difference between Hauppage WinTV-PVR 150 and 250 ??
[06:23:00] xris: Varanger: about $60
[06:23:00] Varanger: what about specs?
[06:24:00] Chutt: specs are on hauppauge's website.
[06:24:00] xris: 150 supposedly has a slightly better chroma filter in the encoder.
[06:24:00] xris: or tuner, or whatever.
[06:24:00] Varanger: Chutt: http://www.hauppage.com/pages/compare_pvr.html
[06:24:00] ** jasta grumbles angrily and builds libavcodec w/ gcc 3.x **
[06:24:00] ** xris wonders if there are rules about drinking and coding, and ponders another glass of mead. **
[06:24:00] Chutt: yup
[06:24:00] Varanger: Here, I can't find differences between both models here
[06:24:00] Chutt: that's because there isn't a difference between them
[06:24:00] xris: Varanger: that's because there really aren't any
[06:25:00] Varanger: xris: is 150 somehow better than 250... why is it more expensive?
[06:25:00] xris: 250 is older
[06:25:00] xris: 150 is newer. cheaper parts, larger distribution, better discounts from chip makers
[06:25:00] jasta: i should really buy cable now that i have a settop media box and a tv tuner card.
[06:25:00] Chutt: the 250's discontinued, too
[06:26:00] Chutt: they're not making any more
[06:26:00] xris: jasta: or dish
[06:26:00] Varanger: xris: Then, I'd rather buy 150 and avoid the 250
[06:26:00] xris: Varanger: correct
[06:26:00] xris: and the mce version if you don't need a remote, and want to save another $30 or so
[06:28:00] Varanger: xris / Chutt: is the 150 mce MythTV-compatible?
[06:28:00] xris: Varanger: yup, I use one
[06:29:00] jasta: xris: Silly thing is I live in a house with 3 other guys. The cable bill would be less than $15/mo a piece.
[06:29:00] jasta: But none of us really want to do it.
[06:30:00] xris: jasta: and Dish would be about the same, and you'd be all digital instead of analog (don't forget the $10 or so in taxes that you'd pay on cable)
[06:31:00] xris: last I had cable, it was almost $50/month for basic analog cable after all of the taxes... Dish runs me just under $50 and is all nice and digital
[06:31:00] jasta: xris: I guess I never really looked into it.
[06:32:00] ** xris is happy to whore out a $30 install discount card, too. **
[06:32:00] jasta: Do I get HBO? :)
[06:32:00] xris: if you pay for it.
[06:32:00] xris: prices tend to even out once you start adding premium channels.
[06:32:00] rjune: xris: you in the referral program?
[06:32:00] Varanger: what is Dish?
[06:33:00] xris: jasta: And if you have comcast, I can almost guarantee that the quality of their "digital" cable is not as good as dish's stuff, at least for important channels like scifi
[06:33:00] xris: rjune: anyone is. you just have to call and get the cards.
[06:33:00] xris: Varanger: dishnetwork.com
[06:33:00] xris: as opposed to DTV (which is just as good, but about $5/month more)
[06:33:00] jasta: xris: Can you even detect the difference with shitty hardware?
[06:33:00] rjune: xris: let me rephrase, are you actively participating in it
[06:33:00] xris: rjune: I try every once in awhile.. the only time someone used a referral, he didn't have a signal so couldn't sign up.
[06:34:00] xris: jasta: huh? tested on two nice TV's.
[06:34:00] rjune: heh
[06:34:00] xris: but svideo from Dish vs analog RF, there's definitely a detectable difference even with a bttv card.
[06:34:00] jasta: xris: Right, but we don't have nice TVs :)
[06:35:00] jasta: Hmm, I need to do some research on this.
[06:36:00] xris: jasta: compare cable vs Dish vs DTV... and keep in mind that satellite has about $0.50/month in tax vs $10–15/month for cable
[06:38:00] Varanger: How much is the cable service in the States? And how many channels does it have in average?
[06:39:00] xris: Varanger: it varies dramatically... analog vs digital, plus "premium" channels like HBO.. and some areas of the city will get some channels and others won't...
[06:40:00] Chutt: i pay about $60 for a couple hundred channels, including.. 10? hd channels
[06:40:00] jasta: Looks like it'd cost me $42/mo with cable.
[06:40:00] Varanger: For example, tell me how it is in your area...
[06:40:00] jasta: And that's just absolute basic cable.
[06:40:00] Varanger: hd channels?
[06:40:00] Chutt: hdtv
[06:40:00] Varanger: ok ok
[06:40:00] Varanger: that's for analog or digital?
[06:41:00] Varanger: 60 bucks are for analog or digital?
[06:41:00] Chutt: both.
[06:41:00] Varanger: why do you mean by a couple hundred channels?
[06:41:00] Varanger: about 100
[06:41:00] Varanger: or MORE than 100
[06:41:00] Chutt: err
[06:41:00] Chutt: what do you think 'a couple' means?
[06:42:00] Varanger: I am Spanish speaker, so I can have some problems with English :8
[06:42:00] Varanger: :(
[06:42:00] xris: jasta: then you're on the low end. I think basic analog here in seattle is $39/month + tax
[06:42:00] fryfrog: isn't "a couple" a way of hooking up two things?
[06:42:00] jasta: xris: I live in Seattle.
[06:42:00] ** xris can't remember if there is even a word in spanish for "couple" **
[06:42:00] xris: jasta: really? where?
[06:42:00] jasta: Ravenna.
[06:42:00] xris: ah. I'm down by boeing field
[06:43:00] jasta: I work there.
[06:43:00] xris: hah
[06:43:00] xris: I work a few blocks from there.
[06:43:00] jasta: It is fucking GHETTO.
[06:43:00] xris: nah, I'm over on beacon
[06:43:00] Chutt: 7 tickets down
[06:43:00] jasta: I eat lunch at Oyo Teriyaki all the time. Right by Boeing Field.
[06:43:00] xris: Chutt: heh.
[06:43:00] Chutt: how many more will he close?
[06:43:00] Chutt: hehe
[06:43:00] Agrajag-: haha how can you guys have a couple of hundred channels. i have 5 and i dont have time to watch them
[06:43:00] xris: Agrajag-: who said anything about watching?
[06:44:00] xris: jasta: I work in south park
[06:45:00] xris: anyway, when I quit comcast 2 or so years ago, I was paying almost $50 after tax for basic analog
[06:45:00] Agrajag-: ok well im glad i don't pay money for channels i dont watch :P
[06:46:00] xris: it was actually cheaper to switch to Dish, though the networks have since raised prices and Dish had to bump up the price a couple dollars so it's about the same now, I think.
[06:46:00] jasta: xris: Hehe, so do I. Well actually, in Georgetown.
[06:46:00] xris: just under $49 for two dual-tuner receivers ($5 for the second)
[06:46:00] xris: jasta: totally different. georgetown is nowhere near as ghetto as south park
[06:46:00] jasta: xris: That whole area is so ghetto man :)
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[06:46:00] Agrajag-: i guess .au has it good.. our 5 channels filter out all the real rubbish so we only get the good rubbish (albeit later than most other places)
[06:46:00] jasta: xris: Yeah, but Georgetown is very nearby. I often end up South Park just driving around randomly.
[06:46:00] xris: heh.
[06:47:00] jasta: I work right off the Corson/Michigan exit on I-5.
[06:47:00] jasta: 7th and Michigant.
[06:47:00] jasta: Michigan*
[06:47:00] xris: it's a fine place to work (big warehouse)... and we'll be moving to bigger digs within a year....
[06:47:00] jasta: Man, have you ever had lunch at that crazy looking tavern with the rocket ship painted on the side near there?
[06:47:00] xris: http://siliconmechanics.com (map link on there somewhere)
[06:47:00] jasta: It's so ghetto, but they have the most bomb lunch special on Thursday's. Hamburger with deli ham and an egg on it.
[06:48:00] xris: nope. I don't eat out. free communal meals (well, free for the rest of the company who eat meat)
[06:48:00] jasta: Ahh.
[06:48:00] jasta: I work for a sales organization. I'm the sysadmin, but not really.
[06:48:00] xris: ah
[06:48:00] jasta: I originally did contract work for them.
[06:48:00] jasta: Then they fired their full time dude because he showed up to work drunk and the job just fell in my lap.
[06:48:00] xris: I'm, um... part sysadmin, part graphic designer, part minion-whipper
[06:48:00] xris: technically Sr. Developer
[06:49:00] jasta: My title is IT Coordinator, but I mostly just play with my little MySQL database all day long :)
[06:49:00] xris: I do a lot of that
[06:49:00] xris: next setup is triple-master multi-site replication.
[06:49:00] jasta: I am surprised to find that I enjoy my job. It's really easy :)
[06:49:00] jasta: I write lots of little Perl scripts too. And I write a cool Intranet system in HTML::Mason (using mod_perl)
[06:49:00] xris: though next week hopefully I'll be playing with a barcode scanner.. linux-based device with built in 802.11b and ssh. heh.
[06:50:00] jasta: I even figured out a way to run HTML::Mason on IIS, but I installed Apache anyway :)
[06:50:00] xris: apache is so much faster. heh
[06:50:00] jasta: I'll probably be quitting in the next 6 – 8 months though.
[06:50:00] rjune: xris: nice. where did you find that?
[06:50:00] jasta: When I finish all the interesting projects and get bored.
[06:50:00] fryfrog: wait, a bar code scanner with built in ssH???
[06:50:00] xris: fryfrog: AML M7100
[06:50:00] fryfrog: that sounds awsome :)
[06:50:00] jasta: xris: Going to apply at Amazon I think.
[06:50:00] xris: it's a little strongarm-based computer
[06:50:00] rjune: that's very cool
[06:51:00] xris: jasta: good luck. I work with ex-amazon types and they say it SUCKS.. well, sucks after the first year or so (when you burn out)
[06:51:00] jasta: xris: Yeah, I've heard similar.
[06:51:00] xris: rjune: they advertise in linux journal. got a demo unit shipping to us next week.
[06:51:00] jasta: I'm kinda itching to work harder these days though.
[06:51:00] jasta: I've been slacking off professionally for a couple of years now.
[06:51:00] jasta: Not satisfying anymore.
[06:51:00] xris: jasta: just don't go work for Real. they're probably the worst (I have 2 friends there)
[06:52:00] jasta: xris: Haha! I was just having dinner with a couple of buddies of mine yesterday and one of them was talking me out of working for Amazon.
[06:52:00] jasta: He's worked for Real for 3 years.
[06:52:00] jasta: And I just interrupted him in the middle of his rant and was like "I've heard nothing but bad things about Real, and mostly positive about Amazon." :)
[06:52:00] xris: my friends have been there on the order of 4–6
[06:52:00] jasta: xris: Dude, we should totally have lunch one of these days.
[06:52:00] xris: what I hear about amazon is that it used to be fun, but politics have changed it and it's not fun anymore.
[06:53:00] jasta: I always eat lunch alone because I work at a sales organization and I hate going out w/ those people.
[06:53:00] xris: jasta: we should. except that I don't know of any vegetarian-friendly places in the area... (though I can talk my way into vegetarian stuff at a local mexican place)
[06:53:00] Varanger: last question... what's the difference between the 150 MCE and the 150 MCE low profile ?
[06:53:00] jasta: They won't shut up about corporate nonsense.
[06:53:00] xris: Varanger: one is low profile
[06:53:00] jasta: My boss is constantly trying to get me to have "lunch meetings" with him. It's just a ploy to get me to work an extra hour in the day :)
[06:54:00] Varanger: xris... what about specs...
[06:54:00] xris: we all just pile into the lunchroom and watch the daily show on the plasma
[06:54:00] xris: Varanger: same
[06:54:00] jasta: xris: Hmm, that's true.
[06:54:00] xris: company mythbox.  :)
[06:54:00] jasta: xris: There is a vegetarian Thai place when you start getting closer to the Tukwila area.
[06:54:00] jasta: But that's a little far away.
[06:55:00] xris: yeah. hard for a half-hour lunch break
[06:55:00] jasta: There used to be this really awesome all-you-can-eat vegetarian thai place in the U District but I think it got closed down.
[06:55:00] jasta: I used to go there a lot when I lived near.
[06:55:00] jasta: I lived right in the heart of the U District for a while. Just recently moved up to Ravenna. It's much nicer here :)
[06:56:00] xris: jasta: Araya's? they moved to a bigger place on 45th
[06:56:00] jasta: I live in a big house for less rent than my shitty apartment.
[06:56:00] xris: I've eaten there enough that they recognize me when I go.
[06:56:00] jasta: xris: Yeah, Araya's. But they're closed now I think.
[06:56:00] Varanger: Thanks for the help
[06:56:00] Varanger: bye!
[06:56:00] jasta: There bigger one on 45th.
[06:56:00] jasta: Their*
[06:56:00] xris: Varanger: ciao
[06:56:00] xris: jasta: no. their building was getting torn down so they moved to 45th.. bldg that used to house a bar called "doggy style"
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[06:57:00] jasta: You're probably right.
[06:57:00] xris: considering I had dinner there about 2 weeks ago, I hope so.
[06:57:00] jasta: hehe
[06:57:00] jasta: Have you ever been to Djan's?
[06:57:00] jasta: (spelling might be way off)
[06:57:00] jasta: It's somewhere around 2nd and 45th I think.
[06:57:00] xris: I don't care much for their lunch buffet, though... used to go every saturday. a la carte food is about 1000% better.
[06:57:00] xris: don't think so
[06:58:00] jasta: It's a really small, old house that was converted into a Thai restaurant.
[06:58:00] jasta: It is very neat inside.
[06:58:00] jasta: And the upstairs has been turned into this awesome chill-out lounge.
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[06:58:00] xris: cool
[06:59:00] jasta: You're really distracting me from finishing my MythTV setup :)
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[06:59:00] jasta: Hey, do you shoot pool at all?
[06:59:00] xris: not really
[06:59:00] jasta: Damn :)
[06:59:00] xris: you're distracting mythweb patches.
[06:59:00] xris: people will have heart attacks tomorrow when they see all of these closed tickets. heh.
[07:00:00] jasta: My roommates and I bought a nice pool table, but they don't play on it as much as I'd like. I built the media box and installed it upstairs in the rec room and use it as a JukeBox :)
[07:00:00] xris: need to get another seattle MUG meetup scheduled.. bring Jarod back into the world of the living
[07:00:00] jasta: I'd go.
[07:01:00] xris: only kormoc and I showed up to the last one.. and we carpooled (kormoc works for me)
[07:01:00] jasta: That's lame :)
[07:02:00] xris: yeah.
[07:02:00] xris: and I'm nowhere near as recognizeable now without my pony tail
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[07:03:00] jasta: Speaking of pool, I think I will need to go bother my roommates to play with me :)
[07:03:00] xris: heh
[07:03:00] ** jasta tries to practice for at least 1 hour daily. **
[07:03:00] Varanger: Can someone contract DISH services without the PVR option?
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[07:03:00] jasta: My goal is to be better than the local pool shark that hangs out at my favourite bar in the U District :)
[07:04:00] jasta: And take some of his money in the process :)
[07:04:00] xris: Varanger: sure, the DVR is extra
[07:04:00] xris: ooh, Great Big Sea is coming back to seattle in Feb.
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[07:04:00] jasta: xris: Never heard of 'em.
[07:04:00] jasta: I'm going to see Death Cab in a couple weeks.
[07:04:00] xris: jasta: greatbigsea.com — canadian folk/celtic rock band
[07:04:00] xris: jasta: don't tell my wife.
[07:04:00] xris: might could have afforded it if my head gasket wasn't dying.
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[07:06:00] jasta: I've been on this indy rock kick for the past several months :)
[07:06:00] xris: death cab is approaching mainstream for seattle
[07:06:00] jasta: approaching? They're hugely mainstream. Death Cab isn't my normal preference, but I did buy tickets.
[07:06:00] jasta: I've been listening to this band a lot lately (I'm addicted, I think):
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[07:07:00] xris: I tend to listen to weird stuff... urbantrad.com (I've been bitching about how I can't get any of their CD's in the US)
[07:07:00] Captain_Murdoch: anyone else noticed mythbackend using lots of cpu with current svn HEAD. this is recording using ivtv.
[07:07:00] jasta: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- . . . 764?v=glance
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[07:08:00] jasta: Come to think of it, I think I'm really just into this whole 80's revival scene :)
[07:08:00] jasta: I've been listening to The Bravery and The Kaiser Chiefs too :)
[07:08:00] jasta: And Morrissey.
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[07:09:00] jasta: brb, time to shoot pool and listen to music upstairs :)
[07:10:00] jasta: bah, i hate my roommates sometimes
[07:10:00] jasta: 3 other guys in the house, and you'd be amazed how hard it is to get them to come shoot pool w/ me sometimes.
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[07:35:00] xris: Chutt: how am I doing?
[07:40:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, new version of mythweb?
[07:40:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: closing out tickets, so in a way, yes
[07:40:00] SlicerDicer-: cool beans!
[07:43:00] xris: I'm a commit demon tonight
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[07:54:00] cosmo__: is the geforce mx4000 series cards good for slow dedicated frontends? Ive got a 1gz machine that simply cannot handle fullscreen video, and Im wondering if my video card is the weak link
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[07:56:00] xris: cosmo__: could be. how big is "fullscreen"?
[07:59:00] cosmo__: for me, 800x600, basically clicked maximize button in vlc, or ran mplayer with -zoom flag
[07:59:00] xris: do the files play fine not fullscreen?
[07:59:00] cosmo__: theyre okay in a little window
[08:00:00] cosmo__: framrate drops to maybe 1hz when enlarged
[08:03:00] xris: cosmo__: then it's likely your video card not having good driver support. what do you have now?
[08:04:00] cosmo__: gosh, some generic thing, I think 4 mb. I used to have an ati in there, but gave up trying to get it working
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[08:05:00] cosmo__: VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5465
[08:06:00] xris: then yes, you'd likely get much better performance from an nvidia
[08:06:00] xris: esp. using nvidia's drivers
[08:07:00] cosmo__: is there any way to rule out, definitively, that the machine is simply too slow?
[08:08:00] cosmo__: its a 1ghz duron, with 150 meg of ram, no remaining slots to fill. Its currently a work machine, but I hope to make it nothing but a dedicated frontend
[08:10:00] xris: cosmo__: it should be fine. the fact that it can play the video at normal res shows that the machine is fast enough to decode the stream...
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[08:10:00] xris: with a good card, the resizing to fullscreen is done by the GPU, with bad drivers, the CPU get it, thus slowing things down.
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[08:10:00] xris: I had no trouble playing fullscreen video on a 400 mhz p2 with a good 2d accelerated matrox g400
[08:12:00] cosmo__: thats good news for me then, excellent.
[08:12:00] cosmo__: I guess I'll grab the cheaper mx4000 then, unless any of you have had problems with them?
[08:13:00] xris: should be fine
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[08:29:00] cosmo__: um xris, what is it exactly that I do need in a video card to compensate for this lack. Is it merely bigger video ram, or better linux driver support, or is it a card with onboard decoding that will most likely solve the problem?
[08:30:00] xris: better linux support and 2d video acceleration.
[08:30:00] xris: if all you need is something really cheap, find an old matrix g400 type card
[08:30:00] xris: or g2+
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[08:33:00] cosmo__: thanks
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[08:34:00] cosmo__: and how much ram did that 400mhz machine that you were using have?
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[08:39:00] xris: 512, I think... don't remember.
[08:39:00] xris: was years ago
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[08:39:00] Captain_Murdoch: cosmo__: my main frontend is a celeron 466 with 256MB RAM and the built-in i810 video w/ external VGA -> Composite/SVideo converter. some things on the menus can be a little slower, but playback is fine. for a long time my master backend was only a P2–400 w/ 256MB with 3 AVerMedia M179 cards in it.
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[08:40:00] cosmo__: cpu isn't my concern, im running at 1ghz, but Im really ram limited to 150 unless I go fetch a bigger stick
[08:40:00] cosmo__: but 3 cards, that is indeed impressive
[08:42:00] Captain_Murdoch: you can probably get by with 150, my frontend has 132 of the 256 free right now while watching a recording.
[08:43:00] Captain_Murdoch: turn off all the junk you don't need and run a slim-downed window manager.
[08:43:00] fryfrog: damn, thats some slim shit
[08:44:00] Dagmar: Pfft You don't need a window manager
[08:44:00] xris: Dagmar: actually, you do
[08:44:00] xris: or you end up with all kinds of focus problems.
[08:44:00] cosmo__: yeah, Im getting like .3 frames per second in openbox, with nothing running but iptables and bind
[08:44:00] fryfrog: what is the diff between azap, nzap, czap and tzap?
[08:45:00] xris: w00t. only 8 mythweb tickets left... and they're requests, not patches.
[08:45:00] fryfrog: er, a c s and t
[08:45:00] Agrajag-: fryfrog: tzap is for terrestrial, czap for cable, s satellite
[08:45:00] Dagmar: xris: I haven't had any focus problems.
[08:45:00] fryfrog: ahhhhh
[08:45:00] Dagmar: I'm runing the frontend right out of ~/.xinitrc
[08:46:00] Rince: morgen
[08:47:00] xris: Dagmar: really? you must not use whatever plugins were having problems
[08:47:00] xris: or someone found a workaround.
[08:47:00] Dagmar: I guess not, but it might explain why I could never get mythbrowser to actually *exit*
[08:47:00] Captain_Murdoch: mainly issues when using mythvideo I think if you use external players or mythgame maybe also.
[08:49:00] Dagmar: Hm.... no problem with mythvideo
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[08:53:00] Dagmar: hyphen: It's a tie between that and him being a moron.
[08:53:00] Dagmar: wrong channel
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[09:07:00] xris: w00t. giant mythweb commit. heh. and completely useless in functionality.
[09:09:00] SlicerDicer-: hey xris would it be possible to get a tv tuner over usb without delay?
[09:09:00] SlicerDicer-: perhaps even hd
[09:09:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: afaik only the plextor usb tuners work in linux, but they work fine. usb2 is 480 Mbit — plenty fast
[09:10:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, but is there a delay with it like with hauppauge?
[09:10:00] xris: there's always a delay.. comes from encoding.
[09:10:00] xris: the plextor ones are mpeg4
[09:11:00] SlicerDicer-: right but would be be hauppauge delay or bttv type delay? cause bttv has lower delay IIRC than a hauppauge correct?
[09:11:00] xris: bttv isn't encoded
[09:11:00] SlicerDicer-: exactly thats what I was thinking xris
[09:11:00] SlicerDicer-: thanks for the help
[09:11:00] xris: it's a raw stream, thus no delay other than electrons passing through wires just like your tv.
[09:11:00] xris: np
[09:11:00] xris: time for sleep, I think. ran out of things to commit to mythweb.
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[10:14:00] poningru: any one alive?
[10:14:00] poningru: sphing: how about you dude?
[10:14:00] poningru: you seem to be from a good uni
[10:14:00] poningru: :)
[10:17:00] fryfrog: don't believe the hype!
[10:18:00] poningru: fryfrog: ?
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[12:30:00] Spida: hi
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[13:38:00] Rince: damned... I triggered another nuvexport-bug
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[13:41:00] Rince: but it has already a ticket, good
[13:46:00] juski: hahahaha.. gotta love The Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/31/google_login_shocker/
[13:49:00] ivor: elReg rocks.
[13:53:00] Rince: and it has a patch, even better :)
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[14:42:00] fryfrog: does anyone know how to properly use czap?
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[15:28:00] juski: fryfrog: if it's anything like tzap, it's quite easy
[15:28:00] Hoxzer: If I'm trying to run tv_grab_fi --configure it says "permission denied" what should I do to fix this?
[15:29:00] juski: Hoxzer: change the permission of the directory it's trying to write to, or log in as the user who has permission to write to the directory
[15:30:00] juski: it'll always try to write an xmltv file in the current directory, so if you don't have write privileges there it won't work
[15:30:00] laga: hello juski, nice to see you :)
[15:30:00] juski: hi laga
[15:30:00] juski: beats working
[15:31:00] laga: oh, hi Hoxzer, didn't see you
[15:31:00] laga: juski: anything does ;)
[15:31:00] juski: doing airflow testing today (Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
[15:31:00] Hoxzer: juski: tried with root same problem :(
[15:33:00] juski: or maybe you don't have read permission on tv_grab_fi
[15:33:00] Hoxzer: can I get my orginal mythtv tv_grab_fi from somewhere?
[15:33:00] Hoxzer: juski: how do I give it to it?
[15:33:00] laga: Hoxzer: duh. *install* the xmltv distribution.
[15:33:00] laga: not just download the grabber from somewhere
[15:33:00] laga: this won't work anyways
[15:33:00] Hoxzer: :D I think I have it installed
[15:34:00] Hoxzer: because that script worked some days ago
[15:34:00] abarbaccia_: hey – does everybody here use ivtv 0.4? because I seem to be having many issues with it
[15:34:00] laga: Hoxzer: where is this script located?
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[15:35:00] Hoxzer: /usr/bin/ as the orginal grabbers
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[15:35:00] MrSpiffy: hey all
[15:35:00] MrSpiffy: what are you guys using to take a pvr-x50 mpg file and convert it into a dvd compliant mpg file?
[15:35:00] laga: nuvexport, probably
[15:36:00] fryfrog: MrSpiffy: cp? :)
[15:36:00] fryfrog: just record in 720x480
[15:36:00] MrSpiffy: it is
[15:36:00] laga: Hoxzer: ls -al /usr/bin/tv_grab_fi please
[15:36:00] MrSpiffy: record = 720x480, mpeg2, mp2
[15:36:00] fryfrog: "rename *.nuv *.mpg .mpg
[15:36:00] fryfrog: er
[15:36:00] fryfrog: i always forget how to use rename :)
[15:36:00] MrSpiffy: need 720x480, mpeg2, ac3 (chop commercials and crop/rescale)
[15:36:00] fryfrog: but its a normal old mpeg2
[15:36:00] fryfrog: ahhhhh
[15:36:00] MrSpiffy: need 720x480, mpeg2, ac3 (chop commercials and crop/rescale)
[15:37:00] MrSpiffy: mencoder is a failure so far
[15:37:00] fryfrog: nuvexport then
[15:37:00] MrSpiffy: creates an mpg that locks up the player or (playing iso with xine)
[15:37:00] fryfrog: it'd be the groovy way
[15:37:00] MrSpiffy: nuvexport takes a friggin week
[15:37:00] MrSpiffy: at 4 fps I will retire before it's done
[15:37:00] fryfrog: haha
[15:38:00] fryfrog: dang, 4fps??
[15:38:00] MrSpiffy: yes
[15:38:00] fryfrog: you should not try converting on a p233mmx :)
[15:38:00] Hoxzer: laga: still some problem....
[15:38:00] MrSpiffy: I am not that masocistis
[15:38:00] Hoxzer: *same
[15:38:00] MrSpiffy: *masocistic
[15:39:00] MrSpiffy: avidemux can;t read it – "invalid audio"
[15:39:00] MrSpiffy: ffmpeg can;t re-scale after cropping
[15:40:00] juski: demux it before remuxing it.. projectx is good for fixing stuff like that
[15:40:00] laga: Hoxzer: you're supposed to give me the output of that ;=
[15:40:00] laga: ;)
[15:40:00] MrSpiffy: juski, I did try demux with ffmpeg and mpgtx – same result
[15:41:00] MrSpiffy: I guess I will have to install the java sdk to compile project_x then
[15:41:00] MrSpiffy: it's like builing a house to use the tool shed
[15:41:00] juski: I thought projectx was runtime. ah well. i find it works great anyhow
[15:41:00] Hoxzer: laga: mythtv@mythtv:~/backups$ ls -al /usr/bin/tv_grab_fi
[15:41:00] Hoxzer: -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 15261 May 23 2004 /usr/bin/tv_grab_fi
[15:41:00] Hoxzer: no rpoblem with that
[15:42:00] GreyFoxx: aren't you trying to run that script/app ?
[15:42:00] juski: chmod +x /usr/bin/tv_grab_fi
[15:42:00] GreyFoxx: Then wouldn't it make sense to give the file executable permissions ?
[15:42:00] laga: Hoxzer: look at juski's
[15:42:00] MrSpiffy: juski, how did you install it? I might have missed something. found the source – requires javac and jar to build
[15:43:00] laga: wouldn't it make sense to have some basic linux knowledge? *sigh*
[15:43:00] Hoxzer: laga working
[15:43:00] ** laga pats "linux in a nutshell" **
[15:43:00] laga: not that i've read it yet ;)
[15:43:00] juski: MrSpiffy: I use it on Winblows :(
[15:43:00] MrSpiffy: ah
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[15:43:00] Hoxzer: laga: seems like it is not coop-operating with mythtv-setup
[15:43:00] Hoxzer: :D
[15:44:00] Hoxzer: damn can I get tv_grab_fi from somewhere?
[15:44:00] juski: anyhow – it's sorted now eh Hoxzer.. btw did you nail that issue with DVB-C scanning?
[15:44:00] Hoxzer: juski: yep
[15:44:00] Hoxzer: but still same error
[15:45:00] Bricktop: Is there anyone here using Imon?
[15:45:00] juski: Hoxzer: can you post the exact error please? if it's longer than a line use a pastebin ;)
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[15:45:00] Hoxzer: juski: no pids set when trying to watch live tv
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[15:46:00] Hoxzer: check it out from mythtv mailing list
[15:46:00] juski: oh when I said 'nail' I meant 'solve'
[15:47:00] Hoxzer: juski: yeah, channel scan problem is solved
[15:47:00] juski: ahh okees
[15:48:00] juski: there might be a snag with the DVB code then.. you don'
[15:48:00] juski: t see much activity regarding dvb-c on the mailing lists or forums
[15:48:00] ** juski bashes his crappy work-supplied keyboard **
[15:49:00] MrSpiffy: hey juski, where did you find that project_x binary?
[15:49:00] juski: sourceforge.. and it wasn't a binary
[15:50:00] juski: it's a jar
[15:50:00] juski: (whatever that is)
[15:50:00] juski: ugh.. got to go to a meeting :( :(
[15:52:00] Hoxzer: juski: btw, do you have /usr/bin/tv_grab_fi :E
[15:52:00] Hoxzer: ?
[15:54:00] Hoxzer: lol it would be nice if I could have backup orginal tv_grab_fi
[16:00:00] Hoxzer: any place where I could get newest version of tv grabbers?
[16:01:00] fryfrog: svn?
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[16:03:00] Hoxzer: oh, yeah, got it working :)
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[16:18:00] a1fa: hi
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[16:19:00] a1fa: what wm should i run with myth.. i heard people run kde..
[16:19:00] a1fa: that is a bit way too much of memory and cpu time consuming
[16:19:00] laga: i like fluxbox.
[16:19:00] GreyFoxx: Most people do not use KDE
[16:19:00] laga: or ratpoison
[16:19:00] GreyFoxx: because it is a pig
[16:19:00] a1fa: yeah
[16:19:00] a1fa: no kidding
[16:19:00] a1fa: piggish
[16:19:00] a1fa: GreyFoxx : i was thinking something really simple fvwm
[16:19:00] GreyFoxx: any small wm should be fine. Pick what you like. I use icewm, others use whatever they prefer
[16:20:00] a1fa: icewm is not bad
[16:20:00] a1fa: i've used it
[16:20:00] a1fa: cant you just run X?
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[16:20:00] GreyFoxx: If you don't use a window manager you are just begging for focus issues if you spawn any external apps (mplayer, or xine for instance)
[16:20:00] a1fa: hm.. it wouldnt run in full screen
[16:20:00] a1fa: ok
[16:20:00] GreyFoxx: but if you use the internal player onyl then plain X might be fine
[16:21:00] a1fa: icewm it is
[16:21:00] a1fa: i got my video-out card today
[16:21:00] a1fa: 80gb hd
[16:21:00] a1fa: GreyFoxx : what is your partition table?
[16:21:00] a1fa: i am not sure how to split my 80 gb disk
[16:21:00] a1fa: i was thinking 2 gb for system,
[16:22:00] a1fa: and 78 gb for /usr or /home
[16:22:00] a1fa: depending on where myth records
[16:23:00] a1fa: Asus V9400-X/TD nVidia MX4000 AGP 8X 64MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI Retail
[16:23:00] a1fa: this is the card i bought
[16:23:00] a1fa: $30... dirt cheap
[16:23:00] GreyFoxx: Well, for my OS disk(s) It's 750M for /, 5G for /usr. and the remainder for /hdd/2 where I place home and other content. My myth recordings are not stored on the OS disks hwoever
[16:23:00] a1fa: hopefully it supports nice resolution
[16:23:00] GreyFoxx: Standard definition TV ?
[16:24:00] a1fa: GreyFoxx : what do you mean?
[16:24:00] a1fa: hehe.. cant you not chose a path where to dump recordings?
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx: Are you outputting to a standard TV(not HDTV)
[16:24:00] a1fa: yes
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: The default is like /mnt/store, so you will likely want to point that wherever you have the space for the recordings
[16:25:00] simon_c: Anybody know if the Hauppauge Dec2000-t freeview digital terrestrial receiver works with linux/myth ? It's a settop box with USB connector.
[16:26:00] a1fa: can PVR-500 do HDTV?
[16:26:00] GreyFoxx: No
[16:26:00] juski: simon_c: I read somewhere that some usb dvb-t devices are supported in linux now, but I can't remember if the DEC2000 is or not
[16:26:00] GreyFoxx: Standard definiations only
[16:27:00] simon_c: juski: Thanks. I'll have a hunt around.
[16:28:00] a1fa: hehe :( no point of outputing on tv then :P
[16:28:00] a1fa: GreyFoxx : i wonder, is that web-browser usable?
[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: Why not output to a TV?
[16:28:00] a1fa: because, i remeber using tv-output before.. and text was hard to read
[16:28:00] juski: simon_c: I hear the DEC2000 is a PoS anyway – very unreliable, just like a set top box (which it basically is)
[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: So? Video is not text :) Video should look fine
[16:29:00] a1fa: GreyFoxx : yeah.. but webbrowser is what i ment :(
[16:29:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: If you mean MythBrowser I wouldn't know. I've never installed it
[16:29:00] a1fa: hehhee
[16:29:00] a1fa: ok
[16:29:00] a1fa: kewl
[16:29:00] a1fa: what video card supports HDTV-Out?
[16:29:00] Beirdo: gooooogle
[16:29:00] juski: mythbrowser is just about usable on a 32 inch TV in 800x600 if you make the fonts big enough
[16:30:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: It's not the HDTV resolutions that are the big problem, it's the connection. If you have a TV that supports HDTV with a dvi input then you can use that card most likely
[16:30:00] a1fa: cool
[16:30:00] a1fa: then i will be able to use mythbrowser
[16:30:00] a1fa: :)
[16:30:00] juski: a1fa: some TVs even have VGA inputs :)
[16:31:00] a1fa: i am buying a 32" HDTV sometimes after christmass
[16:31:00] a1fa: money is tight
[16:31:00] a1fa: the price should be around $300-$599
[16:31:00] juski: it'll be tight after buying one of them boys
[16:31:00] juski: eh? $599 for a 32" LCD or plasma? who are you kidding?
[16:31:00] a1fa: what resolution are you boys running?
[16:31:00] a1fa: tube
[16:32:00] juski: they make HD toobs? euch
[16:32:00] a1fa: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2601424
[16:32:00] a1fa: i need to get a credit-caqrd
[16:33:00] a1fa: and go to best-buy and buy a real TV
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: My Output (to standard def TV's) is 800x600. I've tried serverl, 640x480, 720x480, and 800x600 and I like 800x600 the best
[16:33:00] juski: be careful with that sanyo thing.. it might not actually display HD.. it's possible it just downsamples HD signals. At that price I'd very suspicious
[16:34:00] a1fa: juski : i am going to buy one at walmart with dvi-d input
[16:34:00] a1fa: that way i can pipe my Counter-Strike
[16:35:00] a1fa: Source onto a big TV :P xoxoxoxo.. no-scope sniping with AWP.. n00b cann0n
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[16:36:00] fryfrog: i've got a 30" tupe, sony it was $800
[16:36:00] fryfrog: tubes are by far the better looking displays, beat the pants off all others
[16:36:00] juski: and last longer, no doubt
[16:37:00] fryfrog: well, except of course they can't get very *big* and not fall through your floor ;)
[16:37:00] juski: not like those 68" OLED displays demoed in Japan this year (drool)
[16:37:00] fryfrog: a1fa: know the model? consumer reports has a good review of hd models
[16:37:00] Hoxzer: 2005-11–04 15:38:08.198 DVB#0 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup.
[16:37:00] Hoxzer: how should I correct that? :E
[16:37:00] a1fa: fryfrog : anything with dvi input
[16:38:00] Hoxzer: what pid even means?
[16:38:00] juski: program id, hoxzer
[16:38:00] fryfrog: you said a sanyo?
[16:38:00] a1fa: nah
[16:38:00] a1fa: i want anything with dvi
[16:38:00] fryfrog: 32" WS or FS?
[16:38:00] a1fa: so i can actually pipe 1024x768
[16:38:00] a1fa: WS
[16:38:00] fryfrog: everything HD will have "HDMI" which is dvi
[16:38:00] a1fa: extra-angle in cs
[16:38:00] a1fa: cool
[16:39:00] a1fa: so my card that has DVI
[16:39:00] a1fa: will be able to pump out
[16:39:00] fryfrog: yeah, i use an old gf4 to do it
[16:39:00] a1fa: my Asus V9400-X/TD nVidia MX4000 AGP 8X 64MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI Retail just came in
[16:39:00] a1fa: i just signed for i
[16:39:00] a1fa: it ;P.. opening up the fedex box as i type
[16:40:00] juski: hoxzer.. DVB works on the principle that there are 'muxes' (multiplexes) which take up the band space of a conventional analogue channel.. each mux carries a number of channels in one data stream, and there's a PID table to tell the receiver which parts of the stream are for particular channels ;)
[16:40:00] fryfrog: All three of these Sony TVs were excellent with HD and very good or excellent for DVD and regular TV. The Sony FD Trinitron Wega HDTV KD-34XBR960 (25) is a 34-inch digital-cable-ready set with built-in tuners and CableCard slots, plus features such as a Memory Stick slot for viewing digital images. It also has a longer warranty than its brandmates, which come with a short (3-mo.) labor warranty. The Sony FD Trinitron Wega Hi-Scan KV-34HS420 (27) an
[16:40:00] Hoxzer: ;) ok, how do I set them
[16:40:00] a1fa: Geforce MX4000
[16:41:00] a1fa: is that gforce4?
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: Yes
[16:41:00] fryfrog: long paragraph, but those 3 sonys are the best tube hd ws
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: Hoxzer: I think that normally gets filled in by channel scan
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: But I could be wrong
[16:41:00] a1fa: the card was only $29 with free 2nd day shipping
[16:41:00] juski: Hoxzer.. mythtv should get the PIDs on the fly from the PID table in the stream. is mythtv complaining about not being able to get a lock?
[16:41:00] Hoxzer: Greyfoxx: I did it but wont work :E
[16:41:00] Hoxzer: juski: yeah, I got locked channel scan
[16:41:00] fryfrog: looks like Toshiba is the one to avoid
[16:42:00] Hoxzer: zap scan worked fine
[16:42:00] fryfrog: and Samsung, LG, Prima and *maybe* Philips
[16:42:00] a1fa: brb
[16:42:00] juski: Hoxzer: did czap into xine (or mplayer) work for you?
[16:42:00] fryfrog: an interesting fact is that a 30" WS's image will fit on a 32" FS
[16:43:00] Hoxzer: juski: in xine
[16:43:00] fryfrog: and the HD FS tvs are usually cheaper too
[16:43:00] Hoxzer: haven't tried mplayer
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[16:43:00] fryfrog: so on a 32" HDTV, WS images will look the same as on the 30" WS... but FS images won't have black bars
[16:43:00] juski: Hoxzer: I **could** be talking out of my hat here, but maybe there's a problem in libdvb's table parser
[16:44:00] juski: Hoxzer: what kernel are you running on?
[16:44:00] Hoxzer: 2.6.13.4
[16:44:00] juski: new enough then...
[16:45:00] Hoxzer: :D I'm not going to change it since I got my card working finally
[16:45:00] juski: heheh
[16:45:00] Hoxzer: strange thing is that I seem to get two settings for scan for the card :E
[16:45:00] Hoxzer: they both work
[16:46:00] juski: if xine works, there's probably a problem with either mythtv or libdvb
[16:46:00] Hoxzer: Hoxzer_ root@mythtv:~# cat /usr/local/share/dvb/dvb-c/fi-HTV # HTV
[16:46:00] Hoxzer: Hoxzer_ # freq sr fec mod
[16:46:00] Hoxzer: Hoxzer_ C 283000000 5900000 NONE QAM128
[16:46:00] Hoxzer: Hoxzer_ C 154000000 6900000 NONE QAM128
[16:46:00] juski: my money would be on libdvb.. did you compile mythtv yourself?
[16:47:00] Hoxzer: no, I installed knoppmyth
[16:47:00] Hoxzer: and came with it
[16:47:00] juski: hmmm... everything begins to become clearer
[16:48:00] juski: which version of knoppmyth, Hoxzer?
[16:48:00] Hoxzer: I have to go to sauna in 10 minutes so will you be here within 1 hour?
[16:48:00] Hoxzer: juski: newest I think
[16:49:00] Beirdo: I'm gonna kill mod_perl. What a flaming POS
[16:49:00] Chutt: newest version of knoppmyth is broken.
[16:49:00] juski: newest, which is based on SVN, where DVB code isn't quite as spiffy as in the **stable** release
[16:49:00] Chutt: you should revert to a16
[16:49:00] Hoxzer: :D'
[16:49:00] GreyFoxx: Man, that guy in the "MythTV installer" thread is long winded
[16:49:00] Hoxzer: I should reinstall my system!?
[16:49:00] juski: wtf are people doing providing 'releases' from SVN code? dbox coders do that too :(
[16:50:00] Hoxzer: man gotta private message to maniacxs before I do it
[16:50:00] Hoxzer: :D helped me to get my card work like two days
[16:50:00] Hoxzer: chutt: you are saying this is because of the version I have?
[16:50:00] Hoxzer: how do I check the version?
[16:50:00] Chutt: yes
[16:51:00] Chutt: i am saying that dvb in r5a22 is horribly broken
[16:51:00] Chutt: and that there are a lot of other bugs in there as well
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[16:51:00] Chutt: this is because the knoppmyth maintainer fucked up and didn't know how to use svn
[16:51:00] Hoxzer: oh, what version I should download then?
[16:51:00] Chutt: a16
[16:51:00] Hoxzer: where do I get it?
[16:51:00] Hoxzer: from home page?
[16:51:00] Chutt: i wouldn't know.
[16:52:00] Chutt: i don't use that crap.
[16:52:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:52:00] juski: try the homepage.. if they still cary it
[16:54:00] juski: Hoxzer – I have a strong suspicion that moving to the right version (or a proper distro & install) will solve your problem ;)
[16:54:00] Hoxzer: ok....
[16:54:00] Hoxzer: have to compile kernel :E
[16:54:00] Hoxzer: again
[16:54:00] juski: no sweat
[16:54:00] Hoxzer: well I have the deb I created :D
[16:55:00] juski: Hoxzer: I did a test install of ubuntu on a spare machine & it detected everything & loaded all the right modules all by itself :)
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[16:59:00] maniacxs: what does the SIParser: Unknown Descriptor mean?
[17:00:00] ** a1fa is so happy.. will install mythtv tonight **
[17:00:00] a1fa: but my pvr-500 is not here
[17:00:00] a1fa: and wont be until 18th or so
[17:01:00] juski: SIParser is the part of the code which searches through the service information table, AFAIK, to find out where channels are, what the PIDs are etc
[17:02:00] maniacxs: juski: do you know if the message means that mythtv does not understand the data it gets? I know this channel is sending data (tested with HW Reciever)
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[17:05:00] juski: maybe the SIParser isn't working properly, maniacxs
[17:05:00] Bricktop: Anyone here using IMON ???
[17:05:00] maniacxs: juski: it does work for other channels
[17:06:00] juski: maniacxs: it's not one of those 'interactive' channels based on MHEG is it?
[17:06:00] maniacxs: juski: no it is not.
[17:06:00] Bricktop: I'm having trouble lirc, irw don't responde to my remote control ;(
[17:06:00] juski: and if you're talking about SVN mythtv, DVB isn't completely fixed yet
[17:07:00] maniacxs: the only difference to other channels is, the video is 480x 5??
[17:07:00] juski: video res shouldn't be an issue, maniacxs
[17:07:00] maniacxs: juski: i know... but thats the only difference
[17:08:00] juski: maniacxs: maybe its stream type is wrong, and the hardware receiver is okay with that
[17:09:00] maniacxs: juski: is there a posibility for me to check this?
[17:10:00] juski: probably... the output of scan might tell you what type the stream is, or the dvb-utls certainly will
[17:11:00] juski: dvbsnoop, possibly
[17:12:00] juski: **or** try asking in #dvb ;)
[17:12:00] maniacxs: juski: ok thank you i check it
[17:16:00] a1fa: lol
[17:16:00] a1fa: my best friend hit a pedestrian
[17:16:00] Beirdo: and we care why?
[17:17:00] Bricktop: lirsui
[17:20:00] juski: I hope the pedestrian is gonna sue
[17:21:00] jasta: Interesting.
[17:22:00] jasta: mythtv-0.18.1 has a legitimate build error in firewire{recorder,channel}.cpp. unistd.h is not included, but usleep() is used.
[17:23:00] Beirdo: mod_perl sucks ass
[17:23:00] jasta: unistd.h is directly included in other source files like tv_rec.cpp
[17:23:00] jasta: Beirdo: How so?
[17:23:00] juski: jasta: there's a fix for that
[17:23:00] Beirdo: try compiling the bitch with an old version of perl, you'll see why
[17:23:00] jasta: Beirdo: Well, that seems to be a user-error :)
[17:23:00] Beirdo: no it isn't
[17:23:00] jasta: juski: Well, it's easy enough to fix myself. Isn't that the latest release though?
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[17:26:00] Chutt: xris, nice job last night =)
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[17:29:00] xris: :)
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[17:32:00] beavis: It was too much for him yesterday :-)
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[17:44:00] Beirdo: THERE, it finally f'ing compiled
[17:44:00] ** Beirdo sighs **
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[17:47:00] juski: hometime :D the weekend has landed!
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[17:48:00] jasta: i'm driving out to pullman this wekeend :)
[17:48:00] jasta: weekend*
[17:48:00] jasta: gonna take forever. and it's snowing over the mountains.
[17:48:00] Beirdo: bah, my weekend will start at about noon GMT
[17:48:00] GreyFoxx: I start 2 weeks vacation on Monday. Now I just need to decide what I'm gonna do :)
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[17:51:00] Chutt: heh
[17:51:00] Chutt: vacation's good
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: I haven't taken much since my daughter was born, so it will be nice to get some stuff done around the house
[17:52:00] GreyFoxx: and take her to museums and puppet shows etc etc
[17:52:00] GreyFoxx: and get away from the politics of my office :)
[17:52:00] o_cee: does the twinhan cards work with the linux dvb drivers?
[17:52:00] GreyFoxx: the 1020 does for sure
[17:53:00] o_cee: S?
[17:53:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[17:53:00] ** jasta gripes about the shoddy mythtv build environment **
[17:53:00] o_cee: and cam?
[17:53:00] jasta: does not seem to respect CC, CXX, and LINK variables consistently.
[17:53:00] GreyFoxx: o_cee: I don't think the 1020 has a cam option. At least not the one I have
[17:53:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[17:54:00] o_cee: GreyFoxx, k
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[17:54:00] MrSpiffy: hello again
[17:54:00] MrSpiffy: I finally guessed right and figured out how to use ffmpeg to convert a pvr-250 recording to a dvd compliant mpg file
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: wuth cropping and rescale
[17:55:00] GreyFoxx: You should document it :) For the next to ask :)
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: it takes 2 passes – can;t crop and rescale on the same command
[17:55:00] Chutt: jasta, of course it doesn't. that's all handled by qt.
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, here are the commands I put in my script for the logbot
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: ...
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: #first pass convert and crop
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: ffmpeg -i "$filename".mpg -sameq -croptop $cropt -cropbottom $cropb -cropleft $cropl -cropright $cropr -ab $arate -f dvd -y temp.mpg
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: #second pass rescale back to 720x480 and set aspect 4:3 set audio codec to ac3
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: ffmpeg -i temp.mpg -sameq -s 720x480 -aspect 4:3 -acodec ac3 -ab $arate -f dvd -y "$filename".dvd.mpg
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: #remove temp file
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: rm -f temp.mpg
[17:56:00] MrSpiffy: that yields a nice dvd compliant file that is as good as the original recording
[17:56:00] o_cee: did you try the dvd-special modes?
[17:56:00] MrSpiffy: nope
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[17:57:00] Beirdo: why not just record in 720x480, and remux (at worse) rather than recode?
[17:57:00] MrSpiffy: it is interesting that we figure out the work arounds for other people's code in this channel
[17:57:00] heelboy: hi
[17:57:00] heelboy: can anyone help me set up
[17:57:00] heelboy: like wat server i will need etc
[17:57:00] MrSpiffy: Beirdo, see above – I do record in 720x480 but ffmpeg's crop changes that
[17:57:00] Beirdo: so why are you cropping?
[17:57:00] MrSpiffy: and it has to be re-scales
[17:58:00] MrSpiffy: noise and blanks
[17:58:00] heelboy: do u haev a server
[17:58:00] MrSpiffy: differes from channel to channel
[17:58:00] Beirdo: heh. have fun wasting CPU then :)
[17:58:00] MrSpiffy: in this case 4 on top, 10 on left/right
[17:58:00] Beirdo: the best quality will be NOT recoding at all
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: MrSpiffy: why remove them ? When played on a DVD player with proper overscan you wont see them
[17:58:00] Beirdo: you lose quality every time you recode
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: heelboy: I'm afraid I don't understand your question
[17:59:00] Beirdo: and you are recoding twice by my count
[17:59:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, ok so don't – I choose to clean it up – also nice when watching the file one a pc when you can see the garbage
[17:59:00] heelboy: will i need a server for mythtv
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: heelboy: Well, you need a computer to run it on if that's what you mean
[18:00:00] MrSpiffy: next step is figuring out how to convert that file into something that avidemux won;t barf on
[18:00:00] GreyFoxx: I don't know how you define "server"
[18:00:00] MrSpiffy: avidemux barfs on ac3 AND mp2 audio
[18:01:00] MrSpiffy: Beirdo, btw this whole thing started with a huge mencoder failure
[18:01:00] Beirdo: MrSpiffy: or just use nuvexport which does it all for you :)
[18:01:00] heelboy: greyfox wat will i need to set up mythtv
[18:01:00] MrSpiffy: tried mux, etc
[18:01:00] MrSpiffy: Beirdo, as much as I appreciate nuvexport it takes a week to run
[18:01:00] Beirdo: hah
[18:01:00] MrSpiffy: I'll be dead before I can burn the dvd
[18:01:00] Beirdo: so you basically do exactly what nuvexport does.
[18:02:00] MrSpiffy: basically but much fater
[18:02:00] Beirdo: I hope you like your new rounded wheel
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: heelboy: If you asking the hardware requirements it will depend on some things. What kind of capture card, are you capturing regular cable or HDTV, are you outputting to a TV or a HDTV, how much diskspace you want for recordings
[18:02:00] MrSpiffy: this wheel is rated for higher highway speeds :)
[18:02:00] Beirdo: I have NEVER had an issue with using the recordings as is
[18:02:00] heelboy: i have ntl
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: Me either
[18:03:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx You should document it :) For the next to ask :)
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[18:03:00] MrSpiffy: you know what they say , no good deed goes unpunished
[18:03:00] GreyFoxx: MrSpiffy: Normally I ignore hardware requirement questions. I just feel like punishing myself today
[18:04:00] MrSpiffy: I guess I do too ;)
[18:04:00] MrSpiffy: sheesh try to give a little something back..
[18:04:00] ** MrSpiffy wonders what avidemux *won't* barf on ... **
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[18:05:00] Beirdo: any of my files
[18:05:00] Beirdo: :)
[18:05:00] MrSpiffy: it seems to do ok with mp3 audio now
[18:06:00] MrSpiffy: so far it reports "no valid audio codec" for mp2 – from the 250/myth
[18:06:00] MrSpiffy: and completely crashed on ac3
[18:06:00] MrSpiffy: *paf*
[18:06:00] Beirdo: sounds like your avidemux is borked
[18:06:00] MrSpiffy: maybe
[18:07:00] MrSpiffy: but that's normal behavior for avidemux for the past 2 years I've tried to use it
[18:07:00] MrSpiffy: it came from the repo that shalt not be mentioned by name
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[18:07:00] Beirdo: I've never had an issue with MP2 audio in avidemux. sounds like you have all the luck
[18:08:00] MrSpiffy: hm
[18:08:00] Hoxzer: is there any way to import czap pids to the .xmltv?
[18:08:00] Beirdo: sounds like a google question
[18:08:00] rsdvd: Hi All.....is there any way to delete a sinlge Video Source without deleting them all?
[18:09:00] Chutt: menu on the source you want to delete.
[18:10:00] rsdvd: D-oh......didn;t know there was a menu there....thanks for the hint :-)
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[18:10:00] Hoxzer: Beirdo: had googled like 2 weeks
[18:10:00] Hoxzer: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/20867#20867
[18:10:00] Hoxzer: :E I see no patch below
[18:12:00] ** GreyFoxx wonders how many users have game screenshots that are NOT gif/png/jpg **
[18:13:00] rsdvd: another quick question if I may......I have removed (Deleted) the offending Video Source.....but the Program Guide / MythWeb still shows all it's channels.....is there a way to flush the database so that is removed ?
[18:13:00] Chutt: dunno
[18:14:00] Chutt: i'm not sure if it removes the associated channels or not
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[18:15:00] rsdvd: it does nto seem to....I have a source set up with all the Satellite channels....but I have not the PVR-150 to work....so I only have a DVB card. I am worried that the program scheduler might try and record things from the wrong source
[18:16:00] Chutt: as long as it's not attached to an input, it won't use it for recording.
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[18:16:00] Hoxzer: is there any way to fix pid problem? ;/
[18:16:00] rsdvd: OK......but I still have to wade through pages of channels in the guide I dont; have :-(
[18:17:00] Chutt: well, you can always wipe all the channel/program info (questions at the start of mythtv-setup)
[18:17:00] Chutt: that stuff's generally pretty easy to recreate
[18:17:00] GreyFoxx: Hoxzer: Have you reinstalled with a new version of knoppmyth yet ?
[18:17:00] rsdvd: I was going to do that....butI get the DVB info by EIT....so it will take a wile for it to repopulate
[18:18:00] Chutt: ah
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[18:18:00] Chutt: yeah, that's not as nice as just grabbing from datadirect over a couple minutes :p
[18:18:00] rsdvd: managed to work it out....just used SQL to set then to visible=0
[18:19:00] tanq: I have an off topic question.. I need suggestions on projection tvs.. I have been looking at the Samsung DLP but i have no idea if I should go with a different brand or something like LCD instead of DLP
[18:19:00] Chutt: wouldn't it have been just as easy to use sql to delete em?
[18:20:00] tanq: heh
[18:20:00] tanq: stop making sense Chutt
[18:20:00] gakalkag: Hello:D I finally managed to get to use hw decoding in minimyth. it's somthing wrong with the x.script, when using "epia sp" it should put libviaXvMCPro.so.1 in the XvMCConfig-file. i fixed it by adding:" echo libviaXvMCPro.so.1 > /etc/X11/XvMCConfig " in xinitrc
[18:20:00] Dagmar: If we wanted easy we'd have just bought a ReplayTV.
[18:21:00] gakalkag: went down from almost 100% to 20% cpu-usage now
[18:21:00] rsdvd: Chutt.....probably......but I can add the source back if I fix the PVR-150 the weekedn and not wait for the info to come down again :-)
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[18:21:00] Chutt: heh
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[18:21:00] Chutt: tanq, dlp vs lcd is really just a matter of different tradeoffs
[18:22:00] tanq: yeah..... that's why i can't decide.
[18:22:00] Chutt: lcd is generally brighter, but less contrast, and much less screen door. higher actual resolutions, generally, as well.
[18:22:00] Chutt: no rainbows, either, if you're sensitive to them
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[18:22:00] tanq: rainbows in lcd or dlp?
[18:23:00] Chutt: dlp
[18:23:00] tanq: i don't think i ever see rainbows anyway
[18:23:00] Chutt: i do, when i'm not completely awake
[18:23:00] Chutt: or whenever i wear contacts instead of glasses
[18:23:00] tanq: ahh
[18:23:00] ** GreyFoxx is very sensitive to the rainbow effect **
[18:23:00] Chutt: so i can't buy a dlp – though i haven't checked any of this year's models
[18:23:00] MrSpiffy: question – mythtranscode will convert to mpeg4/mp3 file – is that an avi by any chance or "nuv"
[18:23:00] Chutt: colorwheels are getting faster, though, so...
[18:24:00] tanq: yeah..
[18:24:00] Hoxzer: roger. guys now you can help me :)
[18:24:00] MrSpiffy: I wish mythtranscode would leave it alone and just cut the commercials btw
[18:24:00] Chutt: tanq, i have a lcd front projector (panasonic pt-ae700u)
[18:24:00] Hoxzer: "no pids set" error pisses me off
[18:24:00] GreyFoxx: It's weird. I've always noticed the rainbows but never on the 4805 which is a dlp projector
[18:24:00] tanq: I think I remember the salesguy saying something about the color wheel and it reducing or nullifying the rainbow effect
[18:24:00] Beirdo: MrSpiffy: nuvexport has a way to do that using avidemux and lvemux if you use MPEG2 like you do
[18:24:00] tanq: in the tv i was looking at.. can't remember which one
[18:25:00] MrSpiffy: Beirdo, sounds interesting
[18:25:00] tanq: Chutt: but then you have to buy a screen too
[18:25:00] Beirdo: MrSpiffy: BTW, you can crop and resize in one pass
[18:26:00] Beirdo: it crops first, then resizes
[18:26:00] MrSpiffy: unlike ffmpeg
[18:26:00] Chutt: nope
[18:26:00] Chutt: i made one =)
[18:26:00] Beirdo: I mean ffmpeg
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[18:26:00] Beirdo: and yes, that IS how ffmpeg works
[18:26:00] MrSpiffy: but
[18:27:00] MrSpiffy: when I used the -s option WITH -crop/s it did *not* resize
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[18:27:00] Beirdo: you are welcome to do what you want to your recordings, of course :)
[18:27:00] wert: hello all
[18:27:00] Beirdo: the order of the parameters matters
[18:27:00] MrSpiffy: ok
[18:27:00] wert: I have bought in Amazon the WinTV-pvr-150MCE
[18:27:00] MrSpiffy: listening
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[18:27:00] Beirdo: AFAIK, the resize has to come after
[18:27:00] MrSpiffy: I was doinf -crop/s then -s
[18:27:00] ** wert is wainting it to arrive... **
[18:27:00] MrSpiffy: yep
[18:28:00] MrSpiffy: that's what I tried crops first then resize
[18:28:00] MrSpiffy: the output was the cropped size
[18:28:00] Beirdo: works for me
[18:28:00] MrSpiffy: wtf
[18:29:00] wert: I know it has MPEG2 hardware encoding... but do you know if it also has MPEG1 hardware encoding? My problem is that I don't have a DVD+-RW drive so I'd only burn VCD's... do you know?
[18:29:00] Beirdo: Hmm
[18:29:00] Beirdo: try the -s first
[18:29:00] MrSpiffy: seriousely I checked the ouput of mplayer – size was the cropped size – checked it many mnay times over the past 2 days
[18:29:00] MrSpiffy: tried that too man
[18:29:00] MrSpiffy: one sec
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[18:31:00] Beirdo: and I think you need to tell it the size of the original video before the -i for the file
[18:31:00] Beirdo: and then the output size after
[18:31:00] MrSpiffy: ffmpeg -i test.mpg -sameq -croptop 4 -cropleft 10 -cropright 10 -s 720x480 -ab 384 -f dvd test-for-beirdo-1.mpg
[18:31:00] MrSpiffy: ah
[18:32:00] MrSpiffy: so two -s ?
[18:32:00] Beirdo: ffmpeg -s 720x480 -i test.mpg
[18:32:00] Beirdo: yes
[18:32:00] Beirdo: that seems to work as far as I've seen
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[18:32:00] wert: Do you know if the 150MCE has MPEG1 hardware encoding??
[18:32:00] MrSpiffy: hm
[18:32:00] MrSpiffy: one sec
[18:33:00] MrSpiffy: this command
[18:33:00] MrSpiffy: ffmpeg -s 720x480 -i test.mpg -sameq -croptop 4 -cropleft 10 -cropright 10 -ab 384 -f dvd test-for-beirdo-1.mpg
[18:33:00] MrSpiffy: gives this
[18:33:00] Beirdo: GAH
[18:33:00] MrSpiffy: VDec: vo config request – 700 x 476 (preferred csp: Planar YV12)
[18:34:00] Beirdo: put the -s before the -f at the end too
[18:34:00] MrSpiffy: ok
[18:34:00] Beirdo: tell it input size and output size
[18:34:00] MrSpiffy: ok
[18:34:00] MrSpiffy: size is right but it did NOT crop
[18:34:00] MrSpiffy: so that's not it
[18:35:00] Beirdo: I think you're SOL then
[18:35:00] MrSpiffy: like I said, can;t get the thing to do both
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[18:35:00] Beirdo: it works fine for me
[18:35:00] MrSpiffy: what ver?
[18:35:00] MrSpiffy: mine is ffmpeg version 0.4.9-pre1, build 4754
[18:35:00] Beirdo: whatever version it is
[18:35:00] Bricktop: How can I define a range of codes in lircd.conf? (like IMON Up: 0x68d281b7 – 0x6972d9b7)
[18:35:00] Beirdo: I'm not at home right now :)
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[18:36:00] MrSpiffy: oh
[18:36:00] MrSpiffy: too bad
[18:36:00] xris: brb
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[18:39:00] Hoxzer: how much you guys want to fix my problem with pids?
[18:40:00] GreyFoxx: nowhere near as much as you want to fix it
[18:40:00] GreyFoxx: Have you try to install a version of myth (and knoppmyth) that is not buggy as was suggested to you ?
[18:40:00] Beirdo: pay $1M US, and I'm sure someone will fix it eventually
[18:41:00] Beirdo: or something
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[19:18:00] Chutt: heh
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[19:26:00] xris: Chutt: enough commits last night?  :)
[19:26:00] Chutt: no
[19:26:00] xris: heh
[19:26:00] Chutt: you still have open bugs :p
[19:26:00] xris: not bugs.. feature requests
[19:26:00] Chutt: ah, so close em
[19:26:00] xris: not until I do this core rewrite
[19:26:00] Chutt: i've got a 'trac is not for feature requests without patches' thing going
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[19:28:00] kormoc: Chutt, then you'll get patches like MythFrontend.cpp:123 // Feature X goes here
[19:28:00] Chutt: heh
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[19:37:00] abarbaccia_: what version of IVTV should i be using if i have a pvr-250
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[19:38:00] feld: does anyone in here run the CVS of mythtv
[19:39:00] feld: and if so, what are the current advantages of it?
[19:39:00] kormoc: realstically, if you don't have a reason to run the svn without asking that, likely you shouldn't be running svn
[19:40:00] kormoc: abarbaccia_, 4.0?
[19:41:00] GreyFoxx: feld: improved mythgame!
[19:41:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[19:41:00] GreyFoxx: seriously though, a lot of the changes are under the hood. So bug fixes (and some introductions) and very different DVB code if you are a DVB user
[19:41:00] t0t3r: thats a reason to upgrade :)
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[19:42:00] feld: i dont have a use for mythgame
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: I should be commiting more mythgame stuff tonight including the new romdb metadata
[19:42:00] t0t3r: ... different DVB Code ... but not better
[19:42:00] feld: and i'm not a DVB user
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: feld and of course by using svn and clearly reporting bugs you can help improve it for everyone ;)
[19:43:00] Beirdo: minor details
[19:43:00] feld: GreyFoxx: but the problem is that if any bugs appear that screw up recordings for my gf she'll have my balls LOL
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: sounds like she already does
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: ;) jk :)
[19:44:00] feld: lol
[19:44:00] feld: :)
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: Can't say I run into any problems whatsoever with my stuff, but ymmv
[19:44:00] t0t3r: for a girlfriendbox use stable
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: My GF doesn't know that we aren't using a release :)
[19:45:00] feld: she wont know either
[19:45:00] Beirdo: she does now if she reads the logs
[19:45:00] t0t3r: she doesnt care ...
[19:45:00] abarbaccia_: is this the reason why i'm not gettting anything from my card? [4298708.487000] tuner: tuner type not set
[19:45:00] abarbaccia_: thats from dmesg
[19:46:00] Beirdo: be a good guess as to where to start
[19:46:00] t0t3r: she just wants to see her fav show .. and if the mythbox screws it up ... she just kills u and "ure computer shit"
[19:46:00] feld: i think i'll set it up to use the SVN ebuilds. how often should i recompile from SVN?
[19:46:00] feld: like weekly?
[19:46:00] feld: or every other?
[19:46:00] abarbaccia_: its so annoying – i changed some hardware -but same OS – same capture card – just new MB + processor
[19:47:00] t0t3r: dvb was broken daily ...
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: I usually do it every couple days, but rarely more than aweek apart
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[19:47:00] kormoc: feld, you should start watching the commit lists and deciding if it's worth it or not via that
[19:47:00] feld: where can i view those at
[19:47:00] feld: err i might have found them
[19:48:00] xris: jasta: meet kormoc
[19:48:00] kormoc: jasta, hello there.
[19:49:00] Hoxzer: you guys have solved my "no pids set" problem?
[19:49:00] Hoxzer: what is CVS?
[19:49:00] Beirdo: Hoxzer: meet a trout.
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: Hoxzer: You have deposited the money in my account ?
[19:49:00] ** Beirdo slaps Hoxzer with a trout **
[19:49:00] jasta: kormoc: Hi?
[19:50:00] Hoxzer: but what is CVS?
[19:50:00] jasta: xris: Who is this person that I'm meeting?
[19:50:00] xris: Hoxzer: stfw
[19:50:00] xris: jasta: he's sitting next to me (coworker/minion)
[19:50:00] Hoxzer: xris: what stfw means?
[19:50:00] jasta: I have a minion downstairs. Minions are great.
[19:50:00] laga: Hoxzer: search the fine web
[19:50:00] Hoxzer: can I just ask it?
[19:51:00] xris: laga: that's not the right f-w
[19:51:00] DarkBeer_: ah, mistakenly saw that "w" as a "u" :)
[19:51:00] laga: xris: i know, but i didn't want to scare the kid
[19:51:00] xris: Hoxzer: because it's a simple question that could be answered by searching the web first... plus, mythtv doesn't even use cvs anymore, we use subversion (aka svn)
[19:51:00] jasta: gah, finally finished compiling MythTV and plugins.
[19:51:00] xris: DarkBeer_: the "w" version is one of my favorite acronyms
[19:51:00] jasta: That box is slow, and the build environment is crap ;P
[19:52:00] feld: oh damn
[19:52:00] feld: i only see ebuilds that build from your old CVS
[19:52:00] abarbaccia: how do i set the tuner type on my card?
[19:52:00] feld: any available that people here use that work with the new SVN?
[19:52:00] Hoxzer: xris: oh :E
[19:53:00] xris: Hoxzer: generally, people her tend not to appreciate "what is xxxx?" type questions if they know that a simple web/wikipedia search will turn up an answer.
[19:53:00] laga: feld: search www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/
[19:53:00] xris: jasta: why not just use a binary distro?
[19:54:00] Beirdo: felt: just learn how to use SVN and compile by hand like the rest of the world
[19:54:00] feld: Beirdo: why should i when Portage can do it for me?
[19:54:00] Beirdo: lazy riceboys
[19:54:00] feld: i know it doesnt take a genius to compile it by hand — its quite simple actually
[19:54:00] jasta: xris: I was using Debian, but the Deb repository is a mess. I plan on building new unstable Debs from this (I did) and then submitting them to upstream.
[19:55:00] kormoc: feld, cause portage can't do it for you right now, and it's a lot harder for you to fix bugs when portage builds it for you
[19:55:00] xris: jasta: try ubuntu
[19:55:00] jasta: Debian has dome some machete work on QT/KDE packages, and they work fine, except that the MythTV deb maintainer (3rd party) is stoned and has not updated the packages.
[19:55:00] feld: but if i can cron it with portage or something then why waste the time? and how does portage make it harder to fix bugs?
[19:55:00] xris: jasta: no, he switched to ubuntu
[19:56:00] jasta: They do work with Debian testing, but it would seem that the mythplugins packages are built against unstable.
[19:56:00] xris: got tired of debian not having supporting packages
[19:56:00] jasta: I'm still a loyal Debian fan. I will fix his Debs and run my own deb repository most likely.
[19:56:00] Beirdo: have fun
[19:56:00] jasta: I already fixed them.
[19:57:00] kormoc: feld, when you modify the code locally, you'd need to set the ebuild to pull from your local code, not the svn server anymore, rebuild it all up and merge it live and hope your fix isn't broken, etc
[19:57:00] jasta: It just took flipping forever to build on a slow box and with a ridiculously broken build system (shame on you guys)
[19:57:00] Beirdo: bah
[19:57:00] Beirdo: it works fine
[19:57:00] abarbaccia: Error -19 reading Hauppauge eeprom. <-- what do you guys think about this
[19:57:00] kormoc: feld, rather then you just doing a make;make install and have it only recompile the changes, and all that grand crap.
[19:57:00] kormoc: abarbaccia, I'd say your eeprom is write only
[19:57:00] jasta: Beirdo: No, there are blaring problems with it. The configure script does not consistently observe your CC, CXX, and LINK variables.
[19:58:00] ** Beirdo laughs. good one kormoc **
[19:58:00] ** Beirdo shrugs **
[19:58:00] Beirdo: works fine here
[19:58:00] Beirdo: you could always make patches and submit them
[19:58:00] jasta: Plus, you guys build libavcodec yourselves, which magically invents its own C-like language using GCC extensions no longer supported in the 4.x branch.
[19:58:00] jasta: Beirdo: I will, of course.
[19:58:00] xris: jasta: install distcc and ccache.  :)
[19:59:00] Beirdo: ummm
[19:59:00] jasta: I'm also contemplating patching upstream to libavcodec, since they should be murdered for that nonsense.
[19:59:00] jasta: They depend on:
[19:59:00] laga: jasta: hehe.
[19:59:00] jasta: struct Foo;
[19:59:00] Beirdo: mythtv compiles in GCC4
[19:59:00] feld: kormoc: i learned the other day that if you CTRL+Z after portage unpacks, make changes, and then emerge --resume it grabs from whats been extracted
[19:59:00] jasta: struct Foo array[...];
[19:59:00] laga: jasta: gcc 4.0 works fine with svn code.
[19:59:00] jasta: which is ludicrous.
[19:59:00] feld: kormoc: at least this is what i'm told; i have not tested it yet
[19:59:00] laga: jasta: how long did it take on your box?
[20:00:00] jasta: laga: I wasn't timing it. It was not quick.
[20:00:00] jasta: g++ is not as efficient as gcc anyway.
[20:00:00] laga: jasta: it takes me 90 minutes to build mythtv. i have two build trees because one of my machines needs special optimizations (gentoo influence, yep :))
[20:00:00] Beirdo: laga is special
[20:01:00] jasta: Beirdo: You guys have fixed libavcodec in SVN or have you done something awful to work around it?
[20:01:00] laga: Beirdo: hehe. i build on a 700mhz athlon with a 2.4ghz celeron as distcc slave. it takes bloody ages ;)
[20:01:00] laga: jasta: search the commits at www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/
[20:02:00] jasta: Beirdo: That block of code I pasted absolutely violates both major C standards, but used to be valid in gcc 3.x. The gcc folks wised up and removed the "feature" because it was broken and awful.
[20:02:00] Beirdo: jasta: not sure what changes were made, but it does work, and compiles with GCC4
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[20:02:00] jasta: And there's no good sense in working around the standard in that way.
[20:02:00] Beirdo: don't get me started on crappy coding and ffmpeg
[20:02:00] Beirdo: they hold a monopoly on that
[20:02:00] Beirdo: OK, transcode's pretty messy too
[20:02:00] kormoc: feld, I'm under the impression --resume just resumes where it is in the list (i.e. mythtv) and starts over again, I beleive you can do ebuild /path/to/ebuild.ebuild compile and ebuild /path/blah install and then qmerge
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[20:03:00] kormoc: and then it will compile with your changes
[20:03:00] kormoc: but you can't do it with a single command
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[20:03:00] simcop2387: hey i've got a feature request, mark new episodes (as apposed to reruns) differently when viewing recordings
[20:04:00] Beirdo: we look forward to your patches, simcop2387
[20:04:00] jasta: Beirdo: It isn't that it's messy; it's that it clearly violates the actual language it claims to be written in.
[20:04:00] jasta: That kind of behaviour is unacceptable to me.
[20:04:00] GreyFoxx: simcop2387: Hrm, that might be nifty
[20:04:00] simcop2387: Beirdo: heh i'll learn how and do it but i'm not sure how yet
[20:04:00] simcop2387: GreyFoxx: something like either different color, or a * or a different icon
[20:05:00] Beirdo: simcop2387: would be kinda cool.
[20:05:00] GreyFoxx: simcop2387: And obvious visible difference that wouldn't require you to scroll to it to see that it's a "new" show
[20:05:00] laga: this has been suggest before, i believe....
[20:05:00] simcop2387: GreyFoxx: thats the idea
[20:05:00] GreyFoxx: like a "*" in front or a different colour or something
[20:05:00] kormoc: actually, wouldn't it be as easy as to compair the record date with the first run date?
[20:06:00] Beirdo: you make it blink, and I'll hunt you down :)
[20:06:00] kormoc: Beirdo, it'll blink in *RAINBOW* colors!
[20:06:00] Beirdo: how festive...
[20:06:00] GreyFoxx: HEhe No blinking. God makes me think of 10 years ago when <blink> was all the rage *shudder*
[20:06:00] Beirdo: hehe
[20:06:00] Beirdo: us oldtimers all get the same reaction, I think, GreyFoxx
[20:07:00] simcop2387: nah i'll make it do <marquee>
[20:07:00] simcop2387: hehe
[20:08:00] GreyFoxx: Actually that might occur in MythUI, a sidescolling marquee type of display widget for when a name is larger than the display field it's in
[20:08:00] Krazylegz: Make it beep when you scroll to it.
[20:08:00] Krazylegz: That would be GREAT.
[20:08:00] GreyFoxx: or just make a highlighted name/item sidescroll
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[20:09:00] simcop2387: but yea i think a configurable color different would probably be the best way to do it
[20:10:00] kormoc: I'd venture a * next to it would be grand imho, but eather would work
[20:10:00] beavis: xris: is there a reason for switching to digest?
[20:12:00] xris: beavis: it's better? and it's commented out, anyway.
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[20:21:00] beavis: xris: it's just new and I've described the old way to activate it in the german wiki
[20:22:00] mchou: classic quote from sony: "Most people don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
[20:22:00] mchou: that in reference to Sony's copy protection which auto-installs on a computer
[20:23:00] mchou: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4989260
[20:23:00] bill2or3: sony sucks, a lot.
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[20:28:00] TSWoodV: Opinion question: Best Linux distro for mythtv? Reliability of playback is more important to me than the actual recording process.
[20:28:00] GreyFoxx: TSWoodV: You will get as many opinions as there are distros
[20:28:00] Beirdo: the best distro is the one you know best
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[20:29:00] GreyFoxx: Exactly, the best is whatever you are most familar and comfortable with
[20:29:00] tstm: I agree. The one you actually know how to use is best.
[20:29:00] TSWoodV: So there's no reason to prefer one over the other? Fine with me. Now I've got to decide between FC4 and Ubuntu Breezy.
[20:29:00] Beirdo: although if you want others to help you as well, you might want to stick to distros people have at least heard of :)
[20:29:00] TSWoodV: Beirdo: In that vein, what do most of y'all use?
[20:30:00] Beirdo: we all use different stuff
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[20:30:00] GreyFoxx: TSWoodV: The only reason would be if you wanted binary packages or compiling your own
[20:30:00] Beirdo: personally, I'm still running on FC1
[20:30:00] ** GreyFoxx uses Slackware **
[20:30:00] Beirdo: don't mess with a working system and all
[20:30:00] TSWoodV: Beirdo: Ain't broke, don't fix it.
[20:30:00] GreyFoxx: exactly. If it works don't touch it :)
[20:31:00] Beirdo: and I compile from SVN anyways
[20:31:00] Beirdo: so I could care less about the packaged versions much of the time
[20:31:00] GreyFoxx: same here
[20:31:00] kormoc: TSWoodV, I use gentoo
[20:31:00] Beirdo: out of curiosity, let's see what apt-get upgrade says on that poor bastard
[20:31:00] TSWoodV: This box is going to be for a bit different usage than probably most of y'all are using. It's more of a DVR for content produced elsewhere.
[20:31:00] Beirdo: 141 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 58 not upgraded.
[20:31:00] Beirdo: Need to get 83.5MB of archives.
[20:31:00] Beirdo: After unpacking 2655kB of additional disk space will be used.
[20:31:00] Beirdo: hahaha
[20:32:00] kormoc: TSWoodV, If I was you, I would use ubuntu. I'm not a fan of fedora and been rather plesantly surprised with ubuntu
[20:32:00] Beirdo: ubuntu would be my suggestion as well
[20:32:00] Beirdo: FC4 makes me shudder. but if you like FC, use it
[20:32:00] kormoc: Beirdo, you don't have any idea how much I wanted to type emerge -u world when I read how many packages you have out of date :P
[20:32:00] TSWoodV: Beirdo: Was going to throw Breezy on a box and do exactly that. Don't have the TV card though. But as I stated I'm mostly interested in smooth playback.
[20:33:00] kormoc: TSWoodV, any distro can do smooth playback. it's the hardware that controls that
[20:33:00] TSWoodV: Beirdo: I've tamed RH and its products since about RH 5.0. I can deal with "the beast". ;-)
[20:33:00] Beirdo: that's an unbelievable pile of crap to upgrade
[20:33:00] Beirdo: hehe
[20:33:00] ** kormoc shudders **
[20:33:00] Beirdo: including mysql, qt
[20:33:00] Beirdo: perl
[20:33:00] Beirdo: JEEZ
[20:33:00] Beirdo: the machine works, I'm not gonna mess with it right now
[20:33:00] kormoc: FC + ati drivers have bested me twice. stupid nonstandard kernel sources and locations...
[20:34:00] Beirdo: and I'm still running 2.4.22
[20:34:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:34:00] TSWoodV: kormoc: Here's my exact situation. I want to playback videos produced through fairly standard means (minidv, dvcam, processed through Final Cut, Premiere, or Vegas).
[20:34:00] ** Cardoe hands Beirdo a 2.2 kernel **
[20:34:00] Beirdo: 14:34:33 up 273 days, 11:58, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.04, 0.09
[20:35:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: I turn mine off cause I can stand the sound
[20:35:00] kormoc: TSWoodV, imho, make sure to get a decient nvidia card (5200 +) and you'll be golden.
[20:35:00] Beirdo: I remember when I had a bttv card in there, its max uptime was about 20 days between lockups
[20:35:00] TSWoodV: Our current playback system (WXP, Decklink Blackmagic Extreme card) doesn't cut it. It stutters badly and often.
[20:35:00] Cardoe: what I really need to do is switch from the master being in my room to the living room
[20:35:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: does the slave need to be able to mount the partition over NFS or anything?
[20:35:00] Cardoe: the slave can record shows too
[20:35:00] Beirdo: I don't think it's required
[20:36:00] kormoc: TSWoodV, yeah, nvidia's drivers (closed source ones) are nice and speedy, esp with xv/xvmc(with mpeg2 content)
[20:36:00] Beirdo: but would make life simpler
[20:36:00] GreyFoxx: It's not required . The slave can store it locally
[20:36:00] kormoc: Beirdo, ooh? would it strem from slave to master on playback?
[20:36:00] TSWoodV: kormoc: I hate closed source drivers on Linux – the only exception being the nvidia drivers. They are usually pretty good.
[20:37:00] Beirdo: I think it will stream from slave to the frontend
[20:37:00] kormoc: ooh, groovy
[20:37:00] Beirdo: been a LONG time since I ran a slave backend
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: I'm 99% sure my slave streams directly to the frontend
[20:37:00] Beirdo: sounds right to me
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: if I was home I would confirm it :)
[20:37:00] Cardoe: cool
[20:37:00] Cardoe: Cause the slave is a big old loud box in my room
[20:38:00] Cardoe: and I turn it off any chance I get
[20:38:00] Cardoe: cause my room gets hot
[20:38:00] Cardoe: dual procs and all
[20:38:00] Beirdo: hehe
[20:38:00] Cardoe: Thing is... I need to figure out how to make it a slave
[20:38:00] Cardoe: without nuking all my prefs
[20:38:00] Beirdo: I have like 7 or 8 computers on 24/7
[20:38:00] Beirdo: I don't need no stinking heat
[20:38:00] Cardoe: Because the "slave" is actually a master
[20:38:00] Cardoe: because my new box that I want to be a master I just recently built
[20:39:00] tstm: Beirdo: I bet you faint on every electricity bill?-)
[20:39:00] Beirdo: nope
[20:39:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:39:00] Beirdo: it all runs off one 15amp circuit
[20:40:00] kormoc: Cardoe, when I had to do that, I just nuked the tables and restored just the recorded programs tables.
[20:40:00] Beirdo: I have more computers I COULD be running too
[20:40:00] Cardoe: kormoc: k
[20:41:00] Dagmar: Beirdo: Winter is coming.  :)
[20:41:00] Beirdo: I know
[20:41:00] Beirdo: the chilled water in the building is off
[20:41:00] Beirdo: so the AC won't cool anymore
[20:41:00] Dagmar: We have gas heat here but I'm not worried about it. I've heated my room with PCs before
[20:42:00] TSWoodV: Anyone using something as old as a GeForce 2 MX with composite output?
[20:42:00] Beirdo: I have to open the sliding door to get the place below 78F
[20:42:00] Dagmar: At one time I was using rc5 clients just to warm up the room
[20:42:00] Beirdo: and it's like 50F outside
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[20:47:00] kormoc: TSWoodV, people have, but the later nvidia cards usually have a better tv out.
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[21:00:00] Beirdo: xris: you renamed image_cache to cache? :)
[21:00:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:00:00] xris: yes
[21:00:00] xris: and added it to the repo
[21:01:00] Beirdo: yup
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[21:01:00] xris: that way I can use it to cache other stuff. heh.
[21:01:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:01:00] Beirdo: OK, perms fixed
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[21:04:00] Beirdo: and I think I got both conflicts fixed
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[21:04:00] Beirdo: .htpasswd and conf.php both conflicted for me, no biggie
[21:05:00] Beirdo: err... .htaccess
[21:05:00] ** Beirdo is a retard **
[21:05:00] Krazyleg1: Hmm. I'm moving my Mythbox. I just have to update my Zap2It account, and then do mythfilldatabase, right?
[21:05:00] Krazyleg1: Or do I have to manually delete my old lineups?
[21:05:00] Krazyleg1: Hmm, no, I'll probably have to do mythtv-setup.
[21:06:00] kormoc: Krazyleg1, you'll likely want to clean out the old ones.
[21:06:00] Krazyleg1: I can do that when I start mythtv-setup, right?
[21:06:00] kormoc: I think maybe so
[21:07:00] Krazyleg1: I'll have to wait until tonight anyway. Don't want to miss GG.
[21:07:00] Beirdo: GG?
[21:07:00] laga: gilmore girls?
[21:07:00] kormoc: Great Gophers
[21:07:00] ** Krazyleg1 gives laga a cookie **
[21:07:00] Beirdo: Gilmore Girls isn't on tonight
[21:07:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:07:00] kormoc: Caddy Shack spinoff
[21:07:00] Krazyleg1: ABC Family.
[21:08:00] laga: Krazyleg1: hey. i never watched it. ;)
[21:08:00] Krazyleg1: I don't think too many people I talk to do watch it.
[21:08:00] Beirdo: that's one show to NOT use time stretch on
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[21:08:00] Beirdo: damn, they talk too fast already
[21:09:00] laga: hehe
[21:09:00] kormoc: beavis, negative time stretch!
[21:09:00] beavis: :O
[21:09:00] Beirdo: I've considered playing it at .090
[21:09:00] Beirdo: .90 rather
[21:09:00] Krazyleg1: Haha.
[21:10:00] Krazyleg1: Beirdo: Why do you watch it?
[21:10:00] Beirdo: why not?
[21:10:00] Krazyleg1: Good.
[21:10:00] Krazyleg1: I didn't think you liked it.
[21:10:00] Beirdo: It's fine
[21:10:00] Beirdo: just not on tonight, at least not here
[21:11:00] Beirdo: oh good GOD
[21:11:00] Beirdo: a coworker's playing non-stop dance music
[21:11:00] Beirdo: it's driving me nuts
[21:11:00] Beirdo: time for some quality metal to drown em out
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[21:12:00] Beirdo: a little Ride the Lightning should banish that music nicely
[21:12:00] Krazylegz: Friday Mandatory Metallica.
[21:13:00] Beirdo: it was that or some Megadeth
[21:13:00] laga: hehe. i've got a spam mail, the subject says "watch tv on your pc in 2 minutes" :)
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[21:13:00] ** laga plays some atrocity **
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[21:17:00] Ryushin: Strange. Does mythtv-setup not work in a tightvnc window? I keep getting a seg fault.
[21:18:00] rjune: it might not, I don't think I ever tried it
[21:18:00] rjune: remote X works though
[21:18:00] laga: "normal" vnc works fine for me.
[21:20:00] simcop2387: i had a number of problems with qt over tightvnc for some reason, usually dealing with it wanting X Input Extension which tightvnc didn't have, realvnc and x11vnc work fine for me
[21:21:00] Ryushin: X11vnc works fine. It's tightvnc that is having a issue.
[21:21:00] Ryushin: Hmmm... I'll look at realvnc then.
[21:22:00] Ryushin: That's strange. Run mythtv-setup -v (verbose) and it starts up fine. Very wierd.
[21:22:00] simcop2387: you know what really bugs me about gilmore girls? she plays a character younger than me, and she's 4 years older than me
[21:22:00] simcop2387: Ryushin: weird
[21:23:00] simcop2387: kormoc: hmm negative time stretch.... hehe sounds like fun, rapidly switch between -0.5 to 2.0
[21:24:00] Beirdo: damn you laptop
[21:24:00] Beirdo: it thought the shift key was pushed when it wasn't
[21:25:00] kormoc: icky
[21:25:00] Beirdo: better now
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[21:36:00] Beirdo: OK, switched to htdigest
[21:36:00] Beirdo: and now I find my phone won't do authorization when it gets a 401
[21:36:00] Beirdo: way to go, Nokia
[21:40:00] Krazylegz: simcop2387: Doesn't that happen with lots of acting jobs?
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[21:50:00] dagfinnr: hello. How would the performance of mythtv be with an epia m10000 motherboard with an hauppage pvr-150, 512mb memory (and using the built-in tv-out/videocard)
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[21:51:00] Kite-: did anyone else have the 'blue line' problem with video playback?
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[21:53:00] dagfinnr: anyone have a comment regarding my question?
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[22:00:00] laga: Kite-: geforce 2 mx? ;)
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[22:01:00] otwin: dagfinnr: you won't get fading osd and the epg is a bit slower than with other cpu's. but the rest (i.e. playback) works fine. disclaimer: i use the m10000 in a mythfrontend without pvr card
[22:02:00] otwin: but the pvr-x50 doesn't take much cpu power
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[22:04:00] otwin: he left a minute too early... patience people, patience
[22:04:00] laga: yep.
[22:04:00] simcop2387: Krazylegz: not ~10 years younger!
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[22:05:00] dagfinnr: thanks otwin
[22:05:00] dagfinnr: you still here?
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[22:07:00] otwin: yep
[22:07:00] dagfinnr: is it ok that we talk in private?
[22:07:00] dagfinnr: or you prefer talking here in channel?
[22:07:00] pashdown: anyone tried the aopen boxes with mythtv and hdtv?
[22:08:00] dagfinnr: looks like pm is disabeled.
[22:08:00] otwin: maybe someone else can learn something new or help you when i cannot
[22:08:00] dagfinnr: otwin: have you tried m10000 without having a "backend" ?
[22:08:00] otwin: no
[22:09:00] dagfinnr: is the epg slower and no fading osd when using it as a frontend?
[22:10:00] otwin: yes
[22:10:00] otwin: but as i said – the tuner doesn't take much from cpu. on my backend (PIII-650) it's around 3%
[22:11:00] dagfinnr: what tunercard do you have?
[22:11:00] otwin: pvr-350
[22:12:00] dagfinnr: do you know the difference between pvr-150 and pvr-350? Only that pvr has two tuners?
[22:12:00] kormoc: erm
[22:12:00] otwin: both have one tuner
[22:12:00] kormoc: the 500 has two tuners
[22:12:00] dagfinnr: ah
[22:12:00] dagfinnr: my bad
[22:12:00] kormoc: the 250 has one
[22:12:00] GreyFoxx: dagfinnr: Both of those have 1 tuner, the 350 has a mpeg decoder as well
[22:12:00] kormoc: the 350 has one with hardware mpeg2 tv out
[22:12:00] otwin: and the pvr-350 has tv-out and radio
[22:12:00] kormoc: the 150 is the new 250
[22:12:00] dagfinnr: pvr-150 has mpeg decoder too?
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[22:13:00] GreyFoxx: no
[22:13:00] kormoc: dagfinnr, no, only the 350 has the mpeg decoder
[22:13:00] GreyFoxx: the 350 is the only one with a decoder
[22:13:00] dagfinnr: so it would use alot of cpu decode mpeg?
[22:13:00] kormoc: not a lot, but a chunk, aye
[22:13:00] gakalkag: on my backend, p2 350mhz it uses about 10–20% now while whatching one show on my frontend computer and using irc
[22:13:00] otwin: the epia will do your mpeg decoding
[22:13:00] GreyFoxx: It takes more CPU to compress/encode than it does to decode
[22:14:00] dagfinnr: so and pvr-150 would do just fine on an epia board then u suppose?
[22:14:00] GreyFoxx: and with hardware compresssion then you don't need to worry about encoding
[22:14:00] otwin: that is why it is so popular – it has as special chip for this
[22:14:00] dagfinnr: ah, ok
[22:15:00] dagfinnr: but i dont get this backend/frontend prinsiple .. what is the advantage? I see that you can have a flash-based pc as frontend, that means a silent pc, but is that the only thing?
[22:16:00] otwin: my frontend looks like an hifi-component and i can't hear it
[22:16:00] gakalkag: my frontend epia sp8000e boots from pxe
[22:16:00] gakalkag: using minimyth
[22:16:00] otwin: me too
[22:16:00] dagfinnr: ok, i use a hiper media chassis for my epia, so it looks like a dvd-player, its not noiseless, but it doesent make much noise.
[22:17:00] otwin: i have the same case
[22:17:00] otwin: but the psu was too noisy – using an external one
[22:17:00] dagfinnr: ah
[22:17:00] dagfinnr: i have planned mounting an fan-control on the psu..to turn the fan a bit down
[22:18:00] otwin: and i have a fan speed controller for the cpu-fan
[22:18:00] otwin: :-)
[22:18:00] otwin: way to go
[22:18:00] pashdown: i'm trying to find out if the intel graphics media accelerator 900 will help decode mpeg2 or mpeg4 under mythtv
[22:18:00] gakalkag: im using a 60W psu in my home made case but i have one 6cm fan for cooling
[22:18:00] dagfinnr: tried making my own noiseless cooling-rib for my cpu, but it got too hot..
[22:18:00] gakalkag: me too
[22:19:00] otwin: don't if 60W would be enough for hd, pvr-card and dvd-rom
[22:19:00] dagfinnr: so now im back to the standard epia fan, it makes much less noise than the psu fan
[22:19:00] Krazylegz: Whoa, 60W?
[22:19:00] gakalkag: i got no cards, only ram
[22:19:00] gakalkag: boots from pxe
[22:20:00] otwin: yes, but dagfinnr wants to build a frontend/backend
[22:20:00] dagfinnr: i've had to order a flexible pci riser card from the uk...not a cheap affair, i live in norway :(
[22:20:00] gakalkag: norway too<-------
[22:20:00] dagfinnr: nice
[22:20:00] dagfinnr: hei på deg gakalkag :P
[22:20:00] gakalkag: hei, hyggeleg
[22:21:00] dagfinnr: im not into linux and things like that, so i have to experiment a lot here.. lol
[22:21:00] dagfinnr: ;(
[22:21:00] dagfinnr: :)
[22:21:00] dagfinnr: its recommended to just install debian first, and then install mythtv separatly, or just to install knoppmyth ?
[22:22:00] gakalkag: its fun with pxe. first tried it using a LTSP client
[22:22:00] jasta: knoppmyth is not recommended
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[22:22:00] dagfinnr: jasta: what distro is recommended?
[22:22:00] laga: pxe is nice. ;)
[22:22:00] jasta: One you're familiar with, most likely.
[22:22:00] Krazylegz: KnoppMyth is not recommended?
[22:23:00] gakalkag: im using debian. this p2 350mhz is my main workstation. and it also used as a mythbackend with a pvr500
[22:23:00] dagfinnr: laga: i cant use that if i want to use it as backend/frontend in one?
[22:23:00] otwin: dagfinnr: find a good howto to set up mythtv on an epia board and then choose your distro
[22:23:00] laga: dagfinnr: should be possible, but there's no point in running a diskless server, imho
[22:24:00] dagfinnr: otwin: do you know where to find an good howto? :)
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[22:24:00] dagfinnr: laga: it has a 200gb ide disk
[22:24:00] gakalkag: mythtv.org : the docs
[22:24:00] dagfinnr: and a 250gb external usb hdd
[22:24:00] otwin: as i am using minimyth (frontend only) and never set up mythtv on an epia
[22:24:00] otwin: the tricky part will be to get the mpeg decoder working
[22:25:00] gakalkag: i got my epia doing hardware decoding today. went from 100% cpu usage to 20%
[22:25:00] dagfinnr: gakalkag: do you have a kind of tutorial or something?
[22:26:00] dagfinnr: gakalkag: you have MSN messenger, so i can ask you if im stuck :P
[22:26:00] otwin: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ – the best howto and it has a part setting up the epia – which i didn't know until now
[22:27:00] dagfinnr: cool, but that is for the fedora distro?
[22:27:00] otwin: so?
[22:27:00] otwin: it's a good distro to get started with linux
[22:27:00] gakalkag: just take one step at a time. use the mythtv-docs + google
[22:29:00] dagfinnr: yep, i think that would be a good way to do it
[22:30:00] dagfinnr: thanks for the help so far guys
[22:30:00] otwin: iirc, jarod's is great. it has everything in it, starting with the setup of fedora
[22:31:00] otwin: iirc = imho
[22:31:00] dagfinnr: does mythtv has support for norwegian?
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[22:31:00] gakalkag: not that i know of
[22:32:00] dagfinnr: is it possible to write an own? or is there no language file?
[22:32:00] gakalkag: i would like nynorsk. maybe i translate it
[22:33:00] gakalkag: u can modify all the way :)
[22:33:00] dagfinnr: hehe, that would be cool
[22:33:00] dagfinnr: "Ta ein kikk på fjernsynet"
[22:33:00] gakalkag: hehe ja kjem nok snart
[22:34:00] dagfinnr: hehe
[22:34:00] dagfinnr: what about the norwegian channel info? does that work?
[22:34:00] gakalkag: yes
[22:34:00] dagfinnr: so i can schedule recordings from web and so on ..
[22:35:00] gakalkag: your_ip/mythweb
[22:35:00] dagfinnr: nice
[22:40:00] Kite-: did anyone else have the 'blue line' problem with video playback?
[22:41:00] Kite-: i fixed it for xine, but not in mplayer and myth's player
[22:41:00] laga: Kite-: what graphics card?
[22:41:00] Kite-: 5600fx
[22:41:00] Kite-: nvidia
[22:41:00] laga: Kite-: well, search www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ for xvattr
[22:42:00] Kite-: i tried putting it my my .fluxbox/apps, but it didn't help
[22:42:00] Kite-: i had the problem before with an older version of myth, but i fixed it with the xvattr colorkey thing
[22:43:00] Kite-: but in the new version it doesn't seem to work
[22:43:00] laga: question for the xvmc guys. do filters like quickdnr work with xvmc?
[22:44:00] Chutt: haha
[22:44:00] Chutt: the current moron on the users list has a @mit.edu address
[22:44:00] Chutt: what a fucktard.
[22:45:00] laga: Chutt: hey. would you know if filters like quickdnr with xvmc as video output driver? and what about the deinterlacers?
[22:46:00] Chutt: the only filter that works with xvmc is bob
[22:46:00] laga: thanks, i've been wondering about this for a long time ;)
[22:46:00] Chutt: heh
[22:46:00] Chutt: i thought that was in the help text for the deinterlace filters
[22:47:00] laga: really? let me check.
[22:48:00] Chutt: naw, it's not there
[22:48:00] laga: "bob requires XVideo or XvMC video out".
[22:48:00] laga: not quite
[22:48:00] Chutt: yeah
[22:49:00] laga: maybe i can update the docs and submit a patch or something
[22:49:00] Chutt: sure
[22:49:00] Chutt: appreciated
[22:49:00] Chutt: but it'd be more fun to laugh at the guy on the users list right now
[22:50:00] laga: not going to do any work right now anyways ;)
[22:51:00] otwin: Chutt: i'm laughing – unbelievable
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[22:53:00] laga: time to read that thread, i think
[22:53:00] Chutt: http://foner.www.media.mit.edu/people/foner/
[22:53:00] Chutt: that's him!
[22:54:00] Chutt: laga, it's really long
[22:54:00] Chutt: and stupid =)
[22:54:00] Chutt: anything from: f-myth-users@media.mit.edu
[22:54:00] laga: yep, still struggling with his first mail
[22:55:00] Chutt: hehe
[22:55:00] laga: nice hair
[22:55:00] Chutt: i don't read emails if the new text is more than a page in kmail
[22:56:00] Chutt: neat, i can compile it again
[22:57:00] otwin: if i would understand what this yenta could do for me i'd try it out and check it for usability ;-)
[22:59:00] laga: rotfl
[22:59:00] laga: this is awesome *snicker*
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[23:01:00] ** jasta 's ears perk up **
[23:02:00] Chutt: i just thought it was really funny that he never bothered to look at his configuration. it lists all the device names of the recorders on that screen, and it's not terribly difficult to see if you've fucked up and assigned them all to the same device.
[23:03:00] laga: so. let's assume i'm using opengl vsync with my nvidia geforce 4 mx 440. i'm outputting to a SDTV over the built-in tv-encoder chipset. will the opengl vsync stuff take care of the vertical refresh so i won't have to use a deinterlacing filter?
[23:03:00] Chutt: no
[23:03:00] laga: Chutt: i laughed hard when i read that. he whines a lot.
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[23:03:00] Chutt: if it gets off, it'll be backwards from what it should be
[23:03:00] Chutt: ie, it'll be displaying bottom field first instead of the top one, so it'll look ugly
[23:04:00] laga: Chutt: thanks. been wondering about this for some time as well because i saw some references to it on the ML
[23:04:00] Chutt: or vice versa
[23:04:00] Chutt: if you turn on bob, though, it should look pretty good
[23:04:00] laga: ok, thanks
[23:04:00] Chutt: especially if you set the overscan in the driver right
[23:04:00] laga: yep. going to try that now
[23:05:00] Chutt: 250 or so, or .979 in the old style
[23:05:00] jasta: man, the woman on the frontpage of dvb.org looks really strung out.
[23:05:00] Chutt: flicker filter should be as low as you can stand it
[23:05:00] Chutt: reduces your resolution, otherwise
[23:06:00] laga: Chutt: i'm currently still outputting to my CRT. why would i want to have such a high amount of overscan? i usually adjust overscan to make mythtv fit the TV
[23:06:00] Chutt: because tv has overscan :p
[23:06:00] Chutt: ~5% on all sides
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[23:07:00] laga: Chutt: duh. right. sounds like i have to mess with the overscan control in mythtv then.
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[23:07:00] laga: (or use the crop filter ;))
[23:07:00] Chutt: that works
[23:07:00] Chutt: it's _better_, though, to have a bunch of overscan
[23:07:00] Chutt: and adjust the mythtv ui to fit the screen
[23:08:00] Chutt: and have it set to use full-screen for video playback
[23:08:00] Chutt: but messing with the overscan settings in myth gets you there without a lot of the work.
[23:08:00] laga: ok, thanks.
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[23:08:00] laga: let's see how much CPU bob is using...
[23:10:00] laga: duh, none? ;)
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[23:15:00] xris: Chutt: is it 5%? in my tests for nuvexport it was more like 2–3%
[23:15:00] xris: or rather, in the broadcast video, not the tv itself
[23:15:00] jasta: i'm excited to try XvMC-VLD :)
[23:16:00] Ryushin: Well, we had a major wind storm yesterday, my HD Antenna is now pointing in a completely new direction.  :)
[23:17:00] xris: wow
[23:17:00] Ryushin: Heck, I would just like to get XvMC to work again on my HD-3000 in SVN like it did in 18.1. It's still broken. Though I haven't updated SVN for about a week or so.
[23:18:00] Ryushin: I have to get back on the roof with the laptop and tune it in again. I think I'm going to tie down the nose of the antenna so it can't move more than a couple of degrees.
[23:18:00] Ryushin: It's 95 inches long. I should be able to get a signal from Mars with that thing.
[23:20:00] xris: heh. mine's 18"
[23:21:00] Ryushin: You must be pretty close to your towers. I'm 50 miles plus from all of mine.
[23:22:00] rjune: I use ethernet cables to keep the noisy bits away
[23:22:00] xris: Ryushin: within 8 miles
[23:22:00] rjune: you guys got me destroyed. :-)
[23:22:00] xris: except for the damn airport
[23:22:00] xris: I get all but 1.5 channels (I get half of one and none of the other)
[23:23:00] xris: doesn't do me any good until I figure out a way to get nuvexport to properly deal with the streams, though.
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[23:23:00] xris: need a ts->ps converter
[23:23:00] Ryushin: I can get all my channels except one. I think their broadcasting at a fraction of the power as everyone else. Bummer because that's the station sends ABC.
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[23:24:00] Ryushin: I tried doing a QAM scan since upgrading to SVN. Comcast is still hiding their HD channels. I have to have my friend bring over his ladder tomorrow so I can fix it.
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[23:37:00] bill2or3: aren't they all encrypted anyway?
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[23:37:00] dagfinnr: anyone experienced problems installing debian with epia m10000?
[23:37:00] dagfinnr: i get a conflict with usb/lan .. (irq #11).
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[23:48:00] jasta: dagfinnr: I have an M10000, and I run Debian on it.

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