| Tuesday, October 18th, 2005, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:00] | kjp: | sigh. i wish there was a way to automate the conversion to .avi |
| [00:02:00] | Led-Hed: | PaulWay, do this: export QTDIR=$QTDIR/usr/lib/qt-3.3 |
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| [00:03:00] | Z-Morek: | I'm going to shoot kde |
| [00:03:00] | Z-Morek: | I swear |
| [00:03:00] | Led-Hed: | Z-Morek, just use Gnome |
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| [00:06:00] | kormoc: | Z-Morek, or any number of other WM's. there is tons of them out there |
| [00:06:00] | Z-Morek: | only problem is I don't have gnome installed |
| [00:06:00] | Z-Morek: | and it's not in the apt rpm repositories I have setup |
| [00:06:00] | Z-Morek: | I don' think.... |
| [00:06:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [00:06:00] | Z-Morek: | I'm dumb |
| [00:06:00] | Z-Morek: | I'll figure something out |
| [00:07:00] | kormoc: | it's in fedora's default respos... |
| [00:07:00] | Z-Morek: | then what do I use? |
| [00:07:00] | Z-Morek: | apt-get install gnome doesn't work |
| [00:07:00] | Z-Morek: | it refers me to 4 other packages |
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| [00:12:00] | Z-Morek: | apparently it's been broken down into a lot of smaller packages |
| [00:12:00] | Z-Morek: | and apt did the dependencies |
| [00:12:00] | Z-Morek: | so I managed to install it |
| [00:12:00] | mmutual: | anyone here use a radeon in their mythtv box? |
| [00:12:00] | Z-Morek: | I really should think before I ask questions |
| [00:15:00] | Z-Morek: | blugh |
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| [00:15:00] | mmutual: | trying to connect it to my JVC LCDTV via DVI |
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| [00:19:00] | Led-Hed: | mmurphy, I have |
| [00:19:00] | Led-Hed: | oops |
| [00:20:00] | Led-Hed: | mmutual, I have but perfer nVidia |
| [00:20:00] | juski: | back.. phew |
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| [00:24:00] | PaulWay: | Led-Hed: it looks like it's installed the 586 version rather than the 686. |
| [00:24:00] | PaulWay: | I'm doing rpm -e --nodeps libquicktime and then I'll get yum to install what it needs. |
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| [00:25:00] | Led-Hed: | PaulWay, the 586 ver should be fine... |
| [00:25:00] | PaulWay: | Well, better than the 386 version, but the 686 should be the one installed. |
| [00:26:00] | PaulWay: | It's running on an Athlon 3200 |
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| [00:28:00] | PaulWay: | Well that's really weird. |
| [00:29:00] | PaulWay: | I uninstall libquicktime and yum upgrade now works, and it doesn't install libquicktime... |
| [00:31:00] | PaulWay: | Now yum is dying on me with bizarre python errors. |
| [00:36:00] | PaulWay: | Anyone have experience writing svcds? |
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| [00:42:00] | PaulWay: | Why does asking about writing svcds cause so much silence? *sigh* |
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| [00:44:00] | Juski: | PaulWay... either nobody cares.. or nobody bothers making svcds anymore ;) |
| [00:44:00] | PaulWay: | But surely writing a DVD isn't that dissimilar... |
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| [00:45:00] | Juski: | it's not, AFAIK..but with blank DVDs being so cheap... and with HDDs being so cheap.. I don't bother burning discs anymore |
| [00:46:00] | Juski: | PaulWay.. if I knew owt about burning svcds I'd fill you in :) |
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| [00:46:00] | PaulWay: | Argh, I _hate_ man pages that are a literal description of the command line options and nothing else. |
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| [00:52:00] | PaulWay: | OK, I'm off kiddlyohs. |
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| [00:54:00] | mmurphy: | can anyone tell me where to start debugging a small remote issue ... greg 350 remote ... /usr/bin/irw recieves the key right but mythtv does nothing ... i think its in ~/.mythtv/lircrc ? |
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| [00:59:00] | Juski: | oooo... there's a fair bit more error trapping in the SVN version of mythtv.. I like :) |
| [00:59:00] | xris: | PaulWay[w]: nuvexport + chapterize |
| [01:01:00] | xris: | oops, wrong PaulWay... |
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| [01:08:00] | Ryushin: | Put the .lircrc file in /home/mythtv/.lircrc and make a sym link to /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [01:09:00] | mmurphy: | Ryushin: see message :-P |
| [01:09:00] | mmurphy: | Anyoine here running a pvr150? |
| [01:09:00] | mmurphy: | my audio is quiet a bit highter then my 350 |
| [01:11:00] | Ryushin: | mmurphy: You may still want to have a look at mine. I have about 5 hours into it's creation. I took some steps from other people and added my own stuff as well. I also use xine instead of mplayer. http://pastebin.com/396924 |
| [01:11:00] | mmurphy: | Ryushin: Thanks |
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| [01:21:00] | Juski: | oh no! just spotted the 1st rogue apostrophe in mythtv! (input's) |
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| [01:27:00] | mmurphy: | anyone with a pvr150 |
| [01:28:00] | mchou: | lord, I jusck heard on the radio they are going to maky a new "Rocky" movie |
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| [01:28:00] | mchou: | just* |
| [01:28:00] | mchou: | make* |
| [01:29:00] | Juski: | noooooooooooooooooooo! |
| [01:29:00] | mchou: | Rocky 7 |
| [01:29:00] | mchou: | Stallone is 59 yrs old |
| [01:30:00] | mchou: | the premise is he comes out of retirement |
| [01:30:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [01:30:00] | Juski: | LOL |
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| [01:30:00] | Juski: | they're really scraping the bottom of the bottom of the barrel |
| [01:31:00] | mmurphy: | has anyone ever heard of this: pvr150 recording louder then the 350 ? |
| [01:32:00] | mchou: | Juski: it's getting so bad I no longer watch Hollywood movies, but watch only foreign movies now. |
| [01:32:00] | Juski: | I went to see War Of The Worlds and almost walked out during the trailers |
| [01:33:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [01:33:00] | Juski: | herbie! give me strength |
| [01:33:00] | Juski: | spiderman 3... jees |
| [01:33:00] | Juski: | but then I am a totally opinionated sort |
| [01:34:00] | Ryushin: | mmurphy: Doesn't suprise me. My 350 records louder than my hd-3000. Under the recording profiles I change the volume for each card to make them even. |
| [01:35:00] | mchou: | mmurphy: 150 records at diff volumes even for 150 depending on which ivtv version you use. |
| [01:35:00] | mchou: | I have 3 in my BE, and I've A/B/C them..... |
| [01:35:00] | mchou: | some ivtv versions are just flakey |
| [01:37:00] | mmurphy: | so no wat to fix .... as the 150 is a fair bit louder then the 350 ... |
| [01:37:00] | mmurphy: | i can't do the recording profiles casue they are the same mpeg-2 cards right? |
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| [01:38:00] | hari_seldon99: | hi |
| [01:39:00] | hari_seldon99: | I just finished building my mythtv PVR setup last night. It works, for the most part, except it does not allow playback while I'm recording something |
| [01:41:00] | mmurphy: | mchou? |
| [01:41:00] | Cardoe: | grrr |
| [01:41:00] | Cardoe: | the new ./configure changes SUCK ASS |
| [01:41:00] | Cardoe: | just want to point this out! |
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| [01:42:00] | Juski: | nice, Cardoe... way to make friends & influence people |
| [01:42:00] | Cardoe: | Juski: shut up. |
| [01:42:00] | Juski: | lol |
| [01:42:00] | mchou: | yeah, Cardoe the Einstein |
| [01:43:00] | Cardoe: | the point of --extra-cflags is that I can pass in extra cflags. |
| [01:43:00] | Cardoe: | well it doesn't escape it correctly |
| [01:43:00] | Cardoe: | so it treat it like a regular param |
| [01:43:00] | Juski: | just a forinstance here.. but if the very person who could help you turned out to be insulted by that comment.. that'd suck ;) |
| [01:43:00] | Cardoe: | and since the configure script fails on stuff it doesn't understand |
| [01:44:00] | Cardoe: | Juski: you wrote it? |
| [01:44:00] | Cardoe: | explains so much |
| [01:44:00] | Juski: | no – like I said – was just a forinstance |
| [01:44:00] | Juski: | ffs 'SUCKS ASS' is not constructive criticism |
| [01:45:00] | Cardoe: | Juski: really shut up. |
| [01:45:00] | Cardoe: | Because I'm going to end up fixing it and commiting it myself. |
| [01:45:00] | Juski: | so do it already & stop whining |
| [01:45:00] | mchou: | maybe Cardoe ought to be committed |
| [01:45:00] | Cardoe: | if I wasn't sitting here talking to you. |
| [01:45:00] | Cardoe: | mchou: You're incredible. |
| [01:45:00] | Juski: | yeah yeah |
| [01:46:00] | Cardoe: | mchou: someone should give you a podium and a mic |
| [01:46:00] | Cardoe: | mchou: Did you take a page out of the "how to be a true #debian user?" book? |
| [01:46:00] | Cardoe: | Step 1. Troll |
| [01:46:00] | Cardoe: | Step 2. Refer to Step 1. |
| [01:46:00] | mchou: | lol, I dont even use debian, fool |
| [01:46:00] | Juski: | lord, here we go... I make a comment about your comment being out of kilter & you fly off |
| [01:46:00] | mchou: | get a fucking clue |
| [01:46:00] | mmurphy: | mchou no way to tweak the 150 audio ? or get around it? |
| [01:47:00] | mchou: | mmurphy: sure. ivtvctl is your friend |
| [01:47:00] | mmurphy: | mchou: sweet lookig into it now |
| [01:48:00] | mmurphy: | mchou: o look at the help info |
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| [01:52:00] | mmurphy: | mchou: you have all three of your running similar volums now? |
| [01:52:00] | mchou: | more or less |
| [01:53:00] | Criggie: | mchou: funny (rocky 7) I noticed that "eye of the tiger" is about my walking speed, and put it on my mp3 player for walking to work :) |
| [01:54:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [01:54:00] | hari_seldon99: | hi, I just finished installing mythtv last night, and am having trouble w simultaneous playback/record |
| [01:54:00] | mmurphy: | was it something like ivtvctl -y, --set-ctrl=[volume]=50000, but which device does that do it to? |
| [01:58:00] | hari_seldon99: | Whwnever I try to watch tv while recording, it says "mythtv is using all available inputs for recording". What does that mean exactly (I have 1 hauppauge pvr350) |
| [01:59:00] | hari_seldon99: | ? |
| [02:01:00] | Juski: | hari... it means you can't watch & record at the same time |
| [02:01:00] | Darby: | you only have one tuner |
| [02:01:00] | Juski: | ... unless you start to watch the recording |
| [02:01:00] | Darby: | and if it's recording it can't tune another channel |
| [02:02:00] | Darby: | add another tuner and you can |
| [02:03:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh |
| [02:04:00] | hari_seldon99: | Not even on the pvr350? |
| [02:04:00] | hari_seldon99: | It 's supposed to have hardware decoding |
| [02:04:00] | Darby: | no, the 500 has 2 tuners, I believe but it doesn't have the hardware decoder the 350 does |
| [02:05:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh, so the pvr350 only has one tuner |
| [02:05:00] | Darby: | it does, but that just means that your proc isn't getting pegged decoding the recorded file |
| [02:05:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, he could pick up a PVR-500 and add it to his system. |
| [02:05:00] | hari_seldon99: | Darby: Is there any way to resolve this (other than get another tuner I suppose)? |
| [02:05:00] | Krazylegz: | Then he would have 3xMPEG encoders and 1xMPEG decoders. |
| [02:05:00] | Darby: | then he'd have 3 tuners :-))) |
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| [02:06:00] | Lightning: | evening |
| [02:06:00] | Darby: | well, just if you want to watch something that's playing right now, start recording it and watch it as it's recording |
| [02:07:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh |
| [02:07:00] | Darby: | alternatively, if you have a VCR with a tuner, you could split the cable. I think this will work |
| [02:08:00] | hari_seldon99: | Suppose I have scheduled a recording of another program at this time, then if I want to watch another program at this time, then can I start recording that too? |
| [02:08:00] | Darby: | If not, I'll know soon enough since my mom hooked up the one I sent her that way |
| [02:08:00] | Darby: | no, you'd have to cancel the current recording and have it record what you want to watch now |
| [02:09:00] | hari_seldon99: | well, if I cancel the recording, I should be able to watch it live anyway |
| [02:09:00] | Darby: | well, yeah. that's true |
| [02:09:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok |
| [02:09:00] | hari_seldon99: | one thing. Suppose I'm watching live TV, and a recording scheule comes up |
| [02:09:00] | hari_seldon99: | what happens then? |
| [02:09:00] | Darby: | it pops up a message telling you and asking you what to do |
| [02:10:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh |
| [02:10:00] | Darby: | if you don't respond it changes to what was scheduled assuming that you're not there |
| [02:10:00] | Lightning: | of course this is all assuming you have 1 tuner, and not a card with 2 tuners on it |
| [02:10:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok |
| [02:10:00] | Darby: | right |
| [02:10:00] | hari_seldon99: | it's odd though |
| [02:11:00] | Lightning: | 1 cable, 1 channel. multiple cable, multiple channel |
| [02:11:00] | Darby: | how so? |
| [02:11:00] | Lightning: | you can purchase tv cards with more than 1 tuner on it (or, put in multiple tv cards) and then watch 1 and record on the ohter |
| [02:11:00] | Lightning: | or record on both |
| [02:11:00] | hari_seldon99: | unlike the pvr350, which has only 1 tuner? |
| [02:11:00] | Lightning: | this is assuming you do not require a cable box (example, having digital cable) |
| [02:12:00] | Lightning: | the pvr500 has 2, as an example |
| [02:12:00] | hari_seldon99: | I don't require a cable box, just regular cable |
| [02:12:00] | hari_seldon99: | What if I get a cheap hauppauge winTV and put it in another pci slot? |
| [02:12:00] | Darby: | then you should be able to add another tuner, split the cable and plug it into both |
| [02:13:00] | hari_seldon99: | Darby: If I do so (I have a hauppauge winTV in another pc I can remove), then how should I reconfig mythtv-setup? |
| [02:13:00] | hari_seldon99: | I'm assuming I'll have to |
| [02:13:00] | Lightning: | hari_seldon99, wheels turning yet? :) |
| [02:13:00] | Darby: | just add the other tuner |
| [02:13:00] | Darby: | and set it up to use the same channels |
| [02:14:00] | hari_seldon99: | in "input connections"? |
| [02:15:00] | Darby: | yeah, add the new card in capture cards and then associate it in input connections |
| [02:15:00] | Darby: | I haven't actually done it yet, but it looks pretty straight forward |
| [02:15:00] | hari_seldon99: | I'm running knoppmyth in my pvr, do I have to add "insmod" options to the modprobe config files or will that happen automagically? |
| [02:16:00] | Lightning: | if it is the same card or uses the same driver, then it should show up when that driver loads |
| [02:16:00] | Darby: | I think if the winTV uses ivtv it should just owrk, but I'm not positive and I'm not sure if it uses ivtv |
| [02:16:00] | Lightning: | you should get 2 entries in the logs for both |
| [02:16:00] | hari_seldon99: | I believe the wintv works with the "bttv" driver, |
| [02:16:00] | hari_seldon99: | It does in my pc, anyway |
| [02:17:00] | Lightning: | more than likely you would plug it in and due to loading 1 driver, see both devices. if not, then you can look into what params to pass to get both loaded/init'd |
| [02:17:00] | hari_seldon99: | oh |
| [02:17:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok |
| [02:17:00] | Darby: | well, if you're yanking the card out of one computer, make sure to install mythfrontend on that box and you can still watch in both rooms |
| [02:18:00] | hari_seldon99: | right |
| [02:18:00] | hari_seldon99: | good idea |
| [02:19:00] | Darby: | I have one backend with one tuner plugged into the tv and 4 other machines with the frontend installed. works great |
| [02:19:00] | hari_seldon99: | what about network overhead? |
| [02:19:00] | Darby: | I'm running 100 base t and it works fine |
| [02:19:00] | Darby: | 802.11b is a slideshow |
| [02:19:00] | hari_seldon99: | heh |
| [02:19:00] | Darby: | 802.11g is supposed to work fine |
| [02:19:00] | hari_seldon99: | I hate wireless |
| [02:20:00] | hari_seldon99: | 802.11g is problematic on linux |
| [02:20:00] | hari_seldon99: | I believe |
| [02:20:00] | mmurphy: | mchou: you still around? |
| [02:20:00] | Darby: | yeah, I built my mom a box and while it was in transit my brother set them up with a wireless network. |
| [02:21:00] | Lightning: | i wire anytime i can. least amount of issues |
| [02:21:00] | Darby: | so he bought a usb adapter for it that didn't work. I bought another that did andd had to config it remotely |
| [02:21:00] | hari_seldon99: | right, wireless is a real bother, contrary to what they say on tv |
| [02:21:00] | hari_seldon99: | anywho, thanks for all the info |
| [02:21:00] | Darby: | I tried it out first on my machine and it took 5 minutes to get it working |
| [02:21:00] | Lightning: | i've rarely seen it work right, even if all the equip is from the same vendor |
| [02:22:00] | Darby: | it took a *lot* longer to get it working for her |
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| [02:22:00] | Lightning: | my girlfriend has wireless, 100% signal to the router in the next room, then for no reason it drops for 5 to 10 seconds then is back.... and she lives in the middle of nowhere so it isnt a near by neighbor |
| [02:22:00] | Darby: | I got a belking g usb adapter and it works fine using ndiswrapper. just took a while |
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| [02:24:00] | Darby: | I also have a thinkpad with built in wireless and it was pretty easy. The gentoo liveCD did it automagically |
| [02:24:00] | ** Lightning starts packing for the house move ** | |
| [02:25:00] | Darby: | bleagh. good luck ;-) |
| [02:25:00] | Lightning: | bed, computer, tv, dvd player, dvd's.... not much :) |
| [02:25:00] | Lightning: | and clothes |
| [02:25:00] | Lightning: | i live on basic requirements |
| [02:25:00] | Lightning: | :P |
| [02:26:00] | PaulWay[w]: | No food, apparently! |
| [02:26:00] | Lightning: | i eat out |
| [02:26:00] | PaulWay[w]: | *heh* |
| [02:26:00] | Lightning: | so no dishes |
| [02:26:00] | Lightning: | subway and taco bell usually |
| [02:27:00] | ** PaulWay[w] stomach curdles at the thought... ** | |
| [02:27:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I couldn't go too long without a good roast or a curry. |
| [02:27:00] | Lightning: | ah |
| [02:27:00] | Lightning: | well, when your mom starts working 2 jobs to pay the bills when you are 10 and no dad, you tend to learn to fend for yourself. for me, that meant whatever i could warm up the fastest when hunger struck |
| [02:28:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Anyone got any experience with cygwin here? #cygwin is competely dead. |
| [02:28:00] | Lightning: | PaulWay[w], years ago.... |
| [02:28:00] | Lightning: | not sure if my knowledge is still useful |
| [02:28:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Lightning: fair enough! I had a single mum for a while, so I know the feeling. |
| [02:28:00] | PaulWay[w]: | (i.e. my mum was single for a while) |
| [02:29:00] | Krazylegz: | Still having problems with Cygwin? |
| [02:29:00] | Lightning: | ah, well, 13 years laters, my mom is still unmarried, but at leat only working 1 job, but she also got out of the habit of cooking. the last cooked meal i remember was in march |
| [02:29:00] | Lightning: | correction, july 4th |
| [02:30:00] | Lightning: | then march before that, then december |
| [02:31:00] | Lightning: | even Krazylegz |
| [02:31:00] | Krazylegz: | What? |
| [02:31:00] | Lightning: | oops |
| [02:31:00] | Lightning: | evening |
| [02:31:00] | Lightning: | the ing didnt make it |
| [02:31:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, good evening. :-) |
| [02:32:00] | ** PaulWay[w] is puzzled. ** | |
| [02:32:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Krazylegz: Yeah, but the pain is nearly over. |
| [02:32:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I'm just trying to figure out where to put an environment export for a non-interactive login. |
| [02:32:00] | Krazylegz: | You're going to jump off of the building? |
| [02:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh. |
| [02:33:00] | PaulWay[w]: | (e.g. 'ssh username@machine env' doesn't show the environment setting I need to get PVM to run) |
| [02:33:00] | mmurphy: | anyone know anythign about ivtvctl?? |
| [02:33:00] | PaulWay[w]: | You have no idea how much hacking I had to do to make PVM compile. |
| [02:34:00] | PaulWay[w]: | mmurphy: not I, I'm a bttv man. |
| [02:34:00] | mmurphy: | PaulWay[w]: thanks ! |
| [02:34:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Finding and compiling and installing the Sun RPC libarary was not the hardest part. |
| [02:35:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Krazylegz: any ideas? I'm about to start hacking /etc/profile |
| [02:35:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, I'd check there. |
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| [02:36:00] | Lightning: | i started packing dvd's, my brother started with "i want that one, and that one, and that one, and that one" "then what am i taking?" "um..." |
| [02:36:00] | PaulWay[w]: | No, I don't like the big warning that says "if you touch this file, it won't be upgraded by cygwin" |
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| [02:37:00] | PaulWay[w]: | mmurphy: there's got to be some other people here who use ivtv... |
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| [02:40:00] | briand: | i use ivtv for my PVR-350 and PVR-500 cards in my Myth box... |
| [02:41:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Ah-ha! .bashrc! |
| [02:41:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Ooohhhhh yeah! PVM lives! |
| [02:41:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Now to actually get my test program compiled! |
| [02:41:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Sorry for this outburst, but I've been bashing my head against this brick wall for a day or so. |
| [02:42:00] | Cardoe: | PVM? |
| [02:42:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Parallel Virtual Machine. |
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| [02:42:00] | PaulWay[w]: | It's a library and daemon system to allow distributed processing across multiple (heterogeneous) machines. |
| [02:43:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I believe there's a transcode option that allows you to use PVM to distribute frame rendering across multiple machines. |
| [02:43:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I'm going to have a bash at getting it working sometime. |
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| [02:46:00] | mchou: | PaulWay[w]: ae you using PVM for personal or professional use? |
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| [02:47:00] | mchou: | PaulWay[w]: if you intend to transcode with it you are probably barking up the wrong tree...... |
| [02:47:00] | _Nero_: | anyone know if there has been a problem with the make files from svc? ./configure --enable-all --prefix=/usr/local in mythplugins, keeps installing to /usr/lib |
| [02:47:00] | mmurphy: | mchou: you know how i can get the currently set volues lever on different cards? |
| [02:47:00] | mmurphy: | or can't i? |
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| [02:48:00] | mmurphy: | with ivtvctl that is |
| [02:48:00] | mchou: | mmurphy: read the help? |
| [02:48:00] | mchou: | wtf |
| [02:48:00] | Krazylegz: | Nah, it's never in the docs. |
| [02:48:00] | briand: | evening, mchou ... how goes it? |
| [02:49:00] | mchou: | hi briand |
| [02:49:00] | mmurphy: | i am i see how to set it, but i dont' see anything about card number |
| [02:49:00] | mchou: | mmurphy: then you must be blind |
| [02:50:00] | mchou: | it's right on top of the help screen |
| [02:50:00] | mmurphy: | o -d |
| [02:50:00] | briand: | um |
| [02:50:00] | mmurphy: | -d, --device=<dev> use device <dev> instead of /dev/video0 ?? |
| [02:51:00] | briand: | let's call that mmurphy's law. |
| [02:51:00] | _Nero_: | heh |
| [02:52:00] | Cardoe: | hey Krazylegz |
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| [02:55:00] | Lightning: | evening Cardoe |
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| [02:55:00] | Cardoe: | how's it going Lightning |
| [02:56:00] | Lightning: | well |
| [02:58:00] | Lightning: | was just looking at my nickserv info. didnt realize i have been on freenode that long |
| [02:59:00] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe: Hey. |
| [03:00:00] | mmurphy: | guess that muct be it then |
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| [03:06:00] | Cardoe: | Krazylegz: what version of myth are you using? |
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| [03:07:00] | Krazylegz: | 0.18. |
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| [03:10:00] | Qwell: | long shot... Anybody wanna hook me up on a broadcast of Fox in LA? :D My Cable is out. heh |
| [03:10:00] | Qwell: | (also mostly joking) |
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| [03:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe: I'm on KnoppMyth, not Gentoo right now. |
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| [03:19:00] | ** NightBird watches mai otome ** | |
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| [03:21:00] | theguy1: | help, Im having trouble installing the 7676 drivers for knoppix kernel 2.6.11.9-chw-2, GCC 3.3.5 |
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| [03:26:00] | PaulWay[w]: | theguy1: this sounds like a legacy problem... |
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| [03:27:00] | theguy1: | legacy problem? |
| [03:28:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Hmmm, no, stupid me, that'd be if you had to install old drivers on a new kernel. |
| [03:28:00] | theguy1: | ahhh |
| [03:28:00] | PaulWay[w]: | (I've got a GeForce 2 in one machine that I have to use the legacy packages for). |
| [03:28:00] | PaulWay[w]: | What's the problem you're getting, anyway? |
| [03:28:00] | theguy1: | i have a geforce3 |
| [03:28:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I don't know if I'm going to help. |
| [03:28:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Hmmm. This may still be a legacy problem. |
| [03:29:00] | PaulWay[w]: | AFAICR after 7174 they don't support anything less than a GeForce 4. |
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| [03:29:00] | theguy1: | that could be a problem |
| [03:29:00] | theguy1: | but i have tried lesser versions |
| [03:30:00] | PaulWay[w]: | what's going on, then? |
| [03:30:00] | Cardoe: | Krazylegz: ah ok. |
| [03:30:00] | Cardoe: | Krazylegz: I was gonna ask if you wanted to be in the "tester" club. |
| [03:30:00] | theguy1: | the error is that the install proggie says it cannot find a precompiled kernel on the hd so it asks if it should look for one on nvidia's ftp |
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| [03:31:00] | theguy1: | but there is no matching "precompiled kernel interface |
| [03:31:00] | Jazbo: | Anyone know how to apply chroma adjustments? |
| [03:32:00] | theguy1: | "this means that the installer will need to compile a kernel interface for my kernel |
| [03:32:00] | PaulWay[w]: | theguy1: this is the problem with using nVidia's packages. |
| [03:32:00] | PaulWay[w]: | It's taking your uname -r and matching it specifically. |
| [03:33:00] | theguy1: | so there may be another build that is compatible but with another uname -r? |
| [03:33:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Unfortunately, I'd say that the trailing -chw-2 is going to cause you a few problems. |
| [03:33:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Have you installed the kernel source? |
| [03:33:00] | theguy1: | i haven't, i am not sure how |
| [03:33:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Well, the uname -r is compiled into the kernel, it's pretty near impossible to change. |
| [03:34:00] | theguy1: | i've only been tinkering with linux for a few weeks |
| [03:34:00] | PaulWay[w]: | 2.6.11 is pretty old – can you upgrade the kernel? |
| [03:34:00] | PaulWay[w]: | 2.6.12 is pretty stable now. |
| [03:35:00] | theguy1: | i assume i could, 2.6.11 is the kernel that came with my distro KnopMyth R16 |
| [03:35:00] | theguy1: | KnoppMyth** |
| [03:35:00] | Jazbo: | My image (recorded or live tv) is a little washed out. I figured out that I can fix the problem on a recording by applying a "chroma shift" filter with avidemux. But I can't figure out how to apply this type of adjusted during capture. Anyone have suggestions?? |
| [03:35:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Where does this star suffix notation come from, anyway? |
| [03:35:00] | theguy1: | sorry not needed, typo |
| [03:36:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Jazbo: I'm sure its in there somewhere, but I have no idea where. |
| [03:37:00] | Jazbo: | PaulWay: I've been looking for days. Can't seem to do it through ivtvctl |
| [03:37:00] | theguy1: | •PaulWay[w]• is there an easy way to update the kernel? |
| [03:38:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I'm not familiar with Knoppix. If you were using Fedora you'd just do yum upgrade and there it would be. |
| [03:38:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I'm pretty sure you can adjust the playback settings, Jazbo, but this probably isn't what you want. |
| [03:39:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Persevere, find it, and write a web page describing your adventures. |
| [03:40:00] | theguy1: | •PaulWay[w]• thanks much i'll get searching on updating the kernel and hopefully all will be well |
| [03:40:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Sorry I can't be much more help than that... :-| |
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| [03:45:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I hate Cygwin with a burning, searing hate greater than a thousand suns! |
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| [03:51:00] | BigPeteB: | I have a quick question, if anyone is around to answer it... |
| [03:51:00] | BigPeteB: | I'm trying to put a Myth frontend on my laptop, which has some kind of ATI Radeon on it. |
| [03:52:00] | BigPeteB: | When I try to play recordings, mythfrontend dies because it's trying to open /dev/nvidia0 in order to do something with vsyncing. |
| [03:52:00] | BigPeteB: | If there's an option to turn vsync off, I don't know where it is. |
| [03:53:00] | Cardoe: | vsync'ing uses opengl |
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| [03:54:00] | Cardoe: | if what you describe is happening then your opengl is expecting nvidia drivers |
| [03:54:00] | Cardoe: | BigPeteB: what is the exact error? |
| [03:55:00] | BigPeteB: | One sec, let me pull it up... |
| [03:55:00] | BigPeteB: | 2005-10–17 21:46:40.062 nVidiaVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/nvidia0, No such file or directory |
| [03:55:00] | BigPeteB: | And then it seg faults |
| [03:55:00] | BigPeteB: | Now, this is a fresh install, so... perhaps I should check OpenGL to make sure it's working, first? |
| [03:56:00] | kormoc: | what distro are you using and are you sure you are using the ati video driver? |
| [03:56:00] | BigPeteB: | Gentoo, and it's using the radeon driver. I wasn't sure how the radeon driver is different from the ati driver. |
| [03:57:00] | Cardoe: | I had a feeling it was Gentoo |
| [03:57:00] | BigPeteB: | Hehe... it shows? |
| [03:57:00] | Cardoe: | BigPeteB: you installed the nvidia driver |
| [03:57:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: how's it going |
| [03:57:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, quite well, how have you been? |
| [03:58:00] | Cardoe: | happier now that I'm slowly getting issues figured out and patched |
| [03:58:00] | Cardoe: | just upgraded to SVN r7501 |
| [03:58:00] | Cardoe: | got those ebuilds written |
| [03:59:00] | BigPeteB: | When you say I installed the nvidia driver... do you mean for X, or for Myth? |
| [03:59:00] | Cardoe: | BigPeteB: for X |
| [03:59:00] | Cardoe: | emerge -pv nvidia-glx |
| [04:00:00] | Cardoe: | Does it say N or R in the [ ] |
| [04:00:00] | BigPeteB: | It's marked as new. |
| [04:01:00] | BigPeteB: | And has a dependency of nvidia-kernel. |
| [04:02:00] | BigPeteB: | Ooh... glxinfo says I'm missing the GLX extension. |
| [04:02:00] | BigPeteB: | That tells me what to fix, at least. |
| [04:02:00] | Cardoe: | eselect opengl list |
| [04:03:00] | BigPeteB: | Err... I don't have eselect... |
| [04:03:00] | Cardoe: | you're running x86? |
| [04:03:00] | BigPeteB: | I am |
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| [04:03:00] | BigPeteB: | I don't have gentoolkit yet... is it in that? |
| [04:03:00] | Cardoe: | no |
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| [04:04:00] | Cardoe: | The old one was called |
| [04:04:00] | Cardoe: | opengl-select |
| [04:04:00] | Cardoe: | I think |
| [04:04:00] | Cardoe: | opengl-config |
| [04:04:00] | Cardoe: | I think -l will make it list |
| [04:04:00] | Cardoe: | in Section "Module" of /etc/X11/xorg.conf make sure you have Load "dri" and Load "glx" |
| [04:05:00] | BigPeteB: | Oh, they're both commented out. That would be a problem. |
| [04:05:00] | BigPeteB: | I kind of assumed xorgcfg wouldn't have done that... |
| [04:06:00] | BigPeteB: | Alright, let's see if this works... |
| [04:08:00] | BigPeteB: | Oh, splendid. Everything works now. |
| [04:08:00] | BigPeteB: | And here I thought I actually didn't suck at using Linux... |
| [04:08:00] | BigPeteB: | Thanks a bunch |
| [04:09:00] | Cardoe: | yep |
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| [04:13:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Krazylegz: we now have five processors over three machines calculating mandelbrot sets for my benefit, muahahahah! |
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| [04:14:00] | Krazylegz: | Haha. |
| [04:14:00] | Krazylegz: | He's hilarious. |
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| [04:20:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, so there's svn ebuilds of mythtv? |
| [04:20:00] | CyberKnet: | sup rob |
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| [04:22:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, hihi, not too much, how have you been? |
| [04:22:00] | JohnP789: | I've got a new MythTV setup, and most stuff works great. However, I'm having a loooong delay when jumping ahead (PgDn) in a recorded show. |
| [04:23:00] | JohnP789: | My server is a slow machine with a PVR-500MCE card. I'm running my frontend on a fast machine. |
| [04:23:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: not much. played my first texas holdem game the other day and came in third. |
| [04:23:00] | kormoc: | Could be network latency JohnP789. |
| [04:23:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, ooh! nice :) |
| [04:23:00] | JohnP789: | If I hit PgDn, the fronted freezes for about a minute. |
| [04:23:00] | JohnP789: | It's 100Mbps, no other machines on the network. |
| [04:24:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: third out of eight. paid entry fee back. |
| [04:24:00] | kormoc: | JohnP789, how fast is the HD in the other machine? |
| [04:24:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, ooh! even better :) |
| [04:24:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: yeah. five bucks. not too heavy. |
| [04:24:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: but much better than fourth! |
| [04:24:00] | JohnP789: | The disk is fast, but I'd better check what mode it's running in. Good poing. |
| [04:25:00] | JohnP789: | s/poing/point/ |
| [04:25:00] | kormoc: | JohnP789, hdparm -tT /dev/hdX |
| [04:25:00] | kormoc: | JohnP789, you also want to make sure DMA is enabled |
| [04:25:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, one of these days I'll play for some cash, still need to work on my skills first |
| [04:26:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: heh. I never worked on mine. I have no ... "game" ... =) |
| [04:26:00] | CyberKnet: | I placed mostly I think because the other guys went all in and I was mostly blinding myself out |
| [04:27:00] | JohnP789: | kormoc, DMA is on, disk reads are 8.31 MB/sec. |
| [04:27:00] | kormoc: | JohnP789, that's really slow |
| [04:28:00] | kormoc: | JohnP789, ata 100's should get 25+ megs a sec, sata 55+ |
| [04:28:00] | JohnP789: | It's a BX chipset, so I think I need an hdparm -X33 /dev/hda. |
| [04:28:00] | kormoc: | -X33 is ata 66 no? |
| [04:29:00] | JohnP789: | I don't think this BX chipset supports anything beyond ATA66. |
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| [04:29:00] | kormoc: | you still should be getting at least 20 megs a second imho |
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| [04:30:00] | JohnP789: | I think you're right. I'm going to fiddle with my hdparms here. |
| [04:31:00] | Krazylegz: | Which runlevel are you doihg that at? |
| [04:31:00] | JohnP789: | /proc/ide/hda/settings shows io_32bit is 0, max is 3. |
| [04:31:00] | JohnP789: | Krazylegz, Real men change hdparm settings in runlevel 5! :-) |
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| [04:31:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh. |
| [04:32:00] | Goshen: | this is nice... |
| [04:32:00] | Goshen: | 2005-10–17 20:32:17.334 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting. |
| [04:32:00] | Goshen: | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| [04:32:00] | Goshen: | starting mythbackend |
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| [04:32:00] | Goshen: | didn't do that yesterday |
| [04:36:00] | JohnP789: | Does a master backend need to be shutdown gracefully, or is it OK to Ctrl-C it? |
| [04:37:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: yes. |
| [04:37:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: i've had them for a while. |
| [04:37:00] | Cardoe: | like I said, if I got testers |
| [04:37:00] | Cardoe: | I'd put them in Portage |
| [04:37:00] | PaulWay[w]: | JohnP789: are you running it in foreground mode? |
| [04:38:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I.e. is mythbackend running in a terminal window? |
| [04:38:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, email them my way? gentoo (a.t) kormoc (d.o.t) com? :) |
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| [04:38:00] | JohnP789: | PaulWay[w], Yeah, for now. |
| [04:39:00] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe: How hard is it to test the ebuilds for MythTV? Lots of configuration files need to be migrated? |
| [04:39:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Then it should be fine to ctrl-c it. |
| [04:40:00] | PaulWay[w]: | It should quit gracefully from there. |
| [04:40:00] | PaulWay[w]: | AFAICR |
| [04:40:00] | pookSter: | gnight everyone |
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| [04:44:00] | JohnP789: | Well, fiddling with hdparm got me to 12.5 MB/sec. |
| [04:45:00] | JohnP789: | It seems like it should be faster. |
| [04:46:00] | PaulWay[w]: | What sort of things did you change, JohnP789 |
| [04:47:00] | JohnP789: | -X udma2 -m16 -c3 -u1 |
| [04:48:00] | JohnP789: | -d1 also |
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| [04:50:00] | Cardoe: | Krazylegz: no. |
| [04:51:00] | Krazylegz: | So, I could just emerge an SVN version, then go back to stable? |
| [04:51:00] | Krazylegz: | No problem? |
| [04:52:00] | Cardoe: | no |
| [04:52:00] | Cardoe: | database layout changes |
| [04:52:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, right. |
| [04:54:00] | JohnP789: | I can't seem to get more than about 13 MB/sec out of this machine. That's disappointing! |
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| [04:56:00] | taer: | I have a new myth setup 18.1 with a PVR500 – ivtv .40- its recording this little line at the bottom of some channels which is confusing the commercial detection. I see something on the list from 2 years ago, but no mention on a fix. Any help w/ this? |
| [04:57:00] | taer: | its NTSC. |
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| [04:59:00] | red_fox: | taer, I had a similar problem, and downgrading ivtv to 0.3.8 seemed to fix things |
| [05:00:00] | red_fox: | 0.3.9 had the problem, but it works again in 0.4.0 |
| [05:00:00] | taer: | hmm. .38 had audio issues on the PVR500 |
| [05:00:00] | taer: | and I'm at .4.0 |
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| [05:00:00] | red_fox: | well you could give 0.3.9 a whirl I guess |
| [05:01:00] | taer: | hmm |
| [05:01:00] | taer: | i can get it off by tweaking overscan.. |
| [05:01:00] | taer: | but its what is confusing the comm flag |
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| [05:24:00] | taer: | ok, I can adjust it via overscan.. |
| [05:24:00] | taer: | but need to address the flagging. What commercial strategy is best? blank or scene change? |
| [05:33:00] | Dagmar: | It depends entirely on the network |
| [05:36:00] | taer: | I found all from the wiki |
| [05:36:00] | taer: | gonna give that a shot. |
| [05:36:00] | taer: | and did the Y displacement to visually loose the line |
| [05:36:00] | SlicerDicer-: | does anybody know of PPC linux binaries for mythtv? |
| [05:36:00] | taer: | we'll see how it works |
| [05:37:00] | taer: | ow just trying to get the font readable. |
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| [05:43:00] | sw_bluntman: | Please excuse as I am a newbie at Mythtv and Lirc, but does someone know if it is possible to 'learn' remote codes from a remote you can't find a config file for? |
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| [05:54:00] | Darby: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#MySQL |
| [05:54:00] | Jazbo: | I'm having a heck of a problem with picture quality. I can fix it by using a U V chroma shift filter in avidemux. However I can't seem to figure out how to fix the problem for livetv. Any suggestions? |
| [05:54:00] | Darby: | search for 'irrecord' |
| [05:55:00] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [05:55:00] | Beirdo: | stupid network |
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| [05:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Eeeeettttsss Beirdo! |
| [05:56:00] | Beirdo: | I just redid my wireless on the laptop |
| [05:56:00] | banyan: | Hey, what causes tearing in an otherwise very good recording of a good-quality channel? |
| [05:57:00] | sw_bluntman: | Darby: I am a fool for not knowing how to properly use Google and deserve lashes. Thank you :) |
| [05:57:00] | Darby: | lol |
| [05:57:00] | banyan: | Is it too low video bandwidth? |
| [05:59:00] | sw_bluntman: | One more question: Is it possible that my BTTV based card will not accept irrecorded input from remote 'X'? It doen't seem to recognize input from any remote other than its own. |
| [05:59:00] | banyan: | Is that the right term? Tearing, when parts of the screen don't move with the rest when they should? |
| [06:00:00] | Darby: | sw_bluntman: I'm not sure about that. I think lirc handles the ir input so it shouldn't matter, but I could be wrong |
| [06:01:00] | sw_bluntman: | banyan: I have seen this with too low processor power on playback. |
| [06:01:00] | banyan: | I never used to have an issue with tearing but I do now for some reason. |
| [06:02:00] | banyan: | My card is a pvr350 |
| [06:02:00] | sw_bluntman: | banyan: what changed in your setup? Anything? Are there any more processes running than before? Did you do an upgrade? |
| [06:02:00] | banyan: | So whatever it's got for processing power is what I have to work with. Hmm, did recently start using the newer firmware. |
| [06:03:00] | sw_bluntman: | For me, the issue with tearing had to do with system CPU, but the PVR350 does more onboard IIRC |
| [06:03:00] | banyan: | I'd upgraded it to try and find an issue with a pvr250. |
| [06:03:00] | banyan: | It has a decoder online. |
| [06:05:00] | sw_bluntman: | Try to downgrade an see if the issue goes away? That's the best I've got. |
| [06:05:00] | banyan: | There's no need for the encoder and decoder to be matched is there? |
| [06:06:00] | banyan: | Hmm, you know maybe I should try playing the thing back on X. |
| [06:06:00] | banyan: | See if it wasn't maybe encoded with the tearing. |
| [06:07:00] | sw_bluntman: | I think that's a good idea. My tearing always happened on the decode. |
| [06:08:00] | banyan: | I also recently started using 2.6.12 instead of 2.6.11 |
| [06:08:00] | banyan: | which I have had one crash with. |
| [06:08:00] | banyan: | Well, a freeze-up. |
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| [06:09:00] | CyberKnet: | gtg. laters folkses. |
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| [06:12:00] | banyan: | I'm also running think for find-a-drug and I am not sure whether the near-100% cpu usage had a hand in the freeze-up. |
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| [06:23:00] | sw_bluntman: | When I was using SETI, it sometimes wanted to take up CPU cycles that I wouldn't have defined as 'spare', could think be part of the issue? |
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| [06:41:00] | triplep: | i have a machine running everything locally, but i'm getting connection timeouts ... http://pastebin.ca/25810 |
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| [06:58:00] | xanderp: | looking for help getting mythstreamtv going. I get an error on the install script when it does the mythtv:mythtv piece. I don't have a group called mythtv, isn't that the second part of that 'mythtv:mythtv' piece? |
| [07:00:00] | laga: | xanderp: right. |
| [07:00:00] | laga: | user:group |
| [07:00:00] | xanderp: | i need to read the script and see what they are trying to do... |
| [07:01:00] | xanderp: | is it 'standard' to have a mythtv group? i've not seen that anywhere... |
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| [07:03:00] | xanderp: | what's syntax to see groups a user is member of? |
| [07:03:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | id USERNAME |
| [07:03:00] | xanderp: | thanks |
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| [07:05:00] | xanderp: | just looked at the script, and i think i can get away with just putting in the user, it looks like they are just using it to chown a dir. |
| [07:06:00] | BigPeteB: | So I've got a question... |
| [07:06:00] | BigPeteB: | For some reason, xv is offsetting the displayed image by 1x1 pixels, and leaving a blue border on two corners. |
| [07:07:00] | BigPeteB: | I could care less, but a friend keeps bashing me for not being able to fix it... |
| [07:07:00] | PaulWay[w]: | BigPeteB: I'm getting the same problem... |
| [07:07:00] | xanderp: | border on the left side, using a PVRx50? |
| [07:07:00] | BigPeteB: | Left and top sides, yeah. PVR-250. |
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| [07:08:00] | PaulWay[w]: | border on the left and top, but using BT848s incoming and an NVidia 5200 outgoing. |
| [07:08:00] | BigPeteB: | I think it's probably Xv, though, because if I use mplayer with -vo xv I get the same blue borders, but with -vo x11 I don't. |
| [07:08:00] | xanderp: | there is a hack to change the blue to black, but I don't know how to move the screen |
| [07:08:00] | xanderp: | (i also don't remember the hack, but did have to put it in my startup stuff 'back in the day'. |
| [07:09:00] | BigPeteB: | Interestingly, my laptop with an ATI card does the same thing, but the borders are in the opposite corners. |
| [07:09:00] | Agrajag-: | xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048 is possibly what you're talking about |
| [07:09:00] | xanderp: | that's the one |
| [07:10:00] | xanderp: | but that just minimizes the discomfort by making it less offensive. |
| [07:10:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | have you tried changing the overscan settings? |
| [07:10:00] | xanderp: | i'm using an nvidia tv-out and it does the same thing. |
| [07:10:00] | BigPeteB: | Yeah, I have it overscanning already to remove some blank space around the picture, but that doesn't help it. |
| [07:10:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Agrajag-: do you have to do that every time you start up, or is it saved somehow? |
| [07:10:00] | BigPeteB: | And like, with mplayer, if I play something widescreen, the borders show up at the edge of the picture, not the edge of the screen. |
| [07:11:00] | xanderp: | i had to do it every time |
| [07:11:00] | Agrajag-: | PaulWay[w]: you want to od it every time you start X |
| [07:11:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Hmmm, xinitrc it is then. |
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| [07:11:00] | xanderp: | i don't even notice the offset anymore on my bigscreen tv... |
| [07:12:00] | xanderp: | if you watch in a dark room, it's hard to see |
| [07:12:00] | BigPeteB: | I completely agree... I just tune it out. But my (anti-Linux) friend won't let it go, and I'm tired of listening to him whine about it. |
| [07:13:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Tell your anti-Linux friend to give you the money for WXP-MCE and then use it to buy more hard disk space. |
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| [07:14:00] | BigPeteB: | Believe me, if that would actually shut him up... |
| [07:14:00] | xanderp: | not to mention that they also want to charge for extra tuners... |
| [07:14:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | tell him you'll fix it next time you _have_ to reboot. :) |
| [07:14:00] | PaulWay[w]: | *laughs* |
| [07:14:00] | BigPeteB: | I like the idea of buying more hard drive space though |
| [07:14:00] | BigPeteB: | Haha |
| [07:15:00] | xanderp: | here's a nice one: linux makes windows run more stable. i have 3 win2k servers running in linux vmware that have over 244 days uptime. i can't get anywhere near that without linux between the 2k and the hardware! |
| [07:16:00] | PaulWay[w]: | BigPeteB: You could also tell your friend to prove that no-one running WXP-MCE suffers from the same problem... |
| [07:16:00] | ShockValue: | what problem are we talkin about? i just got here :) |
| [07:17:00] | xanderp: | blue borders |
| [07:17:00] | BigPeteB: | ShockValue: 1 pixel blue bars on the sides of the image, possibly due to the video acceleration. |
| [07:17:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Some of us have a blue line top and left of our picture, where the chromakeying isn't quite right. |
| [07:17:00] | PaulWay[w]: | And we all join in the chorus! |
| [07:18:00] | laga: | BigPeteB: search the archives for xvattr |
| [07:18:00] | laga: | bye |
| [07:18:00] | PaulWay[w]: | laga: mchou would say "that's ghetto" |
| [07:21:00] | xanderp: | you can also cover those blue bars with duct tape... makes a good place to tape up notes to remember to buy beer (as in free) |
| [07:22:00] | PaulWay[w]: | *chortles* |
| [07:22:00] | ShockValue: | BigPeteB: ah, i know how to fix that |
| [07:22:00] | PaulWay[w]: | ShockValue: you're not allowed to use xvattr. |
| [07:23:00] | ShockValue: | why? |
| [07:23:00] | BigPeteB: | Haha... |
| [07:23:00] | xanderp: | xvattr was the only way I could fix mine... i couldn't get my nvidia to budge... |
| [07:23:00] | ShockValue: | xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048 & |
| [07:23:00] | ShockValue: | ^ .xinitrc |
| [07:24:00] | BigPeteB: | It apparently is a driver... I found a post from someone dated Feb '04 that said he rolled back his driver to 4496 and got it to go away. |
| [07:24:00] | PaulWay[w]: | We can do the xvattr 'make the bars a nicer colour' trick, but we'd like to know if there's a way to get the display card to have to correct offset, scaling or whatever it is that's going wrong. |
| [07:24:00] | BigPeteB: | But that driver is just a bit out of date for me. |
| [07:24:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I hear the distribution of that code came on stone tablets... |
| [07:25:00] | ShockValue: | when i was fighting with it, i found that it wasnt actually losing any of the picture in the blue bar.. it was just blue where it was normally black |
| [07:25:00] | BigPeteB: | It apparently may also only happen on TV-out... I don't have a way to test this... |
| [07:25:00] | ShockValue: | hrm.. you know, thats a good point about TV out.. i no longer use that, so I might not need that line anymore |
| [07:25:00] | BigPeteB: | Well, I don't know about you, but I'd be hard-pressed to say whether it was losing a single pixel on two edges... |
| [07:25:00] | xanderp: | tv-out on nvidia, how about pvrx50 tv-out? |
| [07:25:00] | PaulWay[w]: | That's a good point – I haven't noticed the same thing on my GeForce 2 on my remote frontend. |
| [07:25:00] | PaulWay[w]: | But I didn't pay that much attention... |
| [07:26:00] | ShockValue: | now i go DVI -> Plasma <smug look> |
| [07:26:00] | BigPeteB: | xanderp: Don't know about that... most of the posts I'm digging up are about NVidia cards... |
| [07:26:00] | xanderp: | mine was WAAAAY more than a pixle... more like a 1/4 to 1/2 inch on my bigscreen tv... VERY nasty |
| [07:26:00] | PaulWay[w]: | ShockValue: Where's my Remote Stab Person Through Eye Internet Transport Protocol daemon... :-) |
| [07:26:00] | ShockValue: | PaulWay[w]: blocked at my firewall :) |
| [07:27:00] | xanderp: | but he sent it as an html email attachment.. ;) |
| [07:27:00] | ShockValue: | mine was just 1 pixel.. it was just annoying becuase it was so intense it's all i could see |
| [07:27:00] | PaulWay[w]: | ShockValue: ah-ah-ah, it's tunneling through your IRC connection! |
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| [07:27:00] | ** ShockValue has been klined through the eyeball. (****Ouch***) ** | |
| [07:27:00] | xanderp: | blue laser edging... tell the non-linux guy that it's a FEATURE that gates hasn't figured out how to do yet! :) |
| [07:28:00] | PaulWay[w]: | xanderp: brilliant! |
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| [07:28:00] | atomjack: | anyone know why watching HD recordings that are in the process of being recorded would pause about every second, for a half second? This only happens when trying to watch an HD recording as it is in the process of being recorded – once it finishes, i can watch it with no pauses at all. my front end and back end are on separate machines |
| [07:28:00] | ShockValue: | does anyone know a place i can find descriptions on the post-proccessing switches on Xine? Like, what they actually do? |
| [07:28:00] | xanderp: | and that he and jobs are working on dividing up the rights to sue anyone that already has blue laser edges... |
| [07:29:00] | BigPeteB: | atomjack: Sounds like either the network or the hard drive aren't fast enough |
| [07:29:00] | PaulWay[w]: | atomjack: your CPU will be running out of speed trying to decode. |
| [07:29:00] | BigPeteB: | Or that |
| [07:29:00] | ShockValue: | atomjack: how's your "top" ? |
| [07:29:00] | xanderp: | DMA setting on the HD |
| [07:29:00] | atomjack: | i'll check top, but why would there be a difference between a finished recording and one that's in process? |
| [07:29:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Anyone had any success getting smartctl to check SATA drives, BTW? |
| [07:29:00] | ShockValue: | atomjack: because you're encoding at the same time as watchin? i dunno |
| [07:30:00] | atomjack: | my recordings are all stored on a 5-drive LVM... |
| [07:30:00] | xanderp: | recording + playback, vs just playback... hmmm |
| [07:30:00] | atomjack: | shock: the back end is a separate machine from the front end |
| [07:30:00] | xanderp: | double the load on the hd bus? |
| [07:30:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Either that or the PCI bus is dying... |
| [07:30:00] | ShockValue: | atomjack: ah i see.. good point |
| [07:30:00] | atomjack: | and, i can watch a DIFFERENT finished recording just fine, while an HD recording is in process |
| [07:30:00] | xanderp: | ahh |
| [07:30:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Hmmmm. |
| [07:30:00] | PaulWay[w]: | THere you have us. |
| [07:30:00] | ShockValue: | off to play with post-proccessing.. have fun all |
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| [07:31:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Good luck, ShockValue – remember, we're counting on you! |
| [07:31:00] | xanderp: | ringbuffer too small maybe? |
| [07:31:00] | BigPeteB: | atomjack: Just for the heck of it, what filesystem is this on? |
| [07:31:00] | atomjack: | xfs |
| [07:31:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I'm assuming it's a Linux Kernel LVM, not a hardware thing? |
| [07:31:00] | atomjack: | yep |
| [07:32:00] | atomjack: | it just happened recently, after i upgraded to a newer head (svn) |
| [07:32:00] | xanderp: | oh wait, playback while recording plays from the recorded file, not the buffer yes? |
| [07:32:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I don't think it'd be the ringbuffer, that'd only be for watching live TV. |
| [07:32:00] | atomjack: | correct |
| [07:32:00] | xanderp: | yup |
| [07:32:00] | atomjack: | yeah, nothign to do with live tv |
| [07:32:00] | PaulWay[w]: | and these are both HD shows? |
| [07:32:00] | atomjack: | yep |
| [07:32:00] | ** xanderp is a little slow on the uptake tonight ** | |
| [07:33:00] | atomjack: | i just tried it right now – i'm recording medium at the moment, tried watching it, and it pauses every second or two – but then i tried watching a nova episode (HD) and it plays just fine |
| [07:33:00] | BigPeteB: | Is it doing any post-processing that might slow down the delivery of newly recorded data to the disk? |
| [07:33:00] | atomjack: | once medium finishes recording, i can watch it without any pauses |
| [07:33:00] | BigPeteB: | That is, is there any reason why it wouldn't be writing to the disk at full speed? |
| [07:33:00] | xanderp: | commercial flagging |
| [07:33:00] | atomjack: | i'm not aware of it doing anything like that BigPeteB, how would i check? |
| [07:33:00] | xanderp: | (while recording) |
| [07:33:00] | atomjack: | hmmm i thought it flags commercials after it finishes recording? |
| [07:33:00] | atomjack: | ohhhhhhhh |
| [07:33:00] | xanderp: | can do either way |
| [07:34:00] | atomjack: | is that in the backend setup? |
| [07:34:00] | PaulWay[w]: | It's _writing_ at full speed, his shows are working fine otherwise. |
| [07:34:00] | BigPeteB: | I was thinking more like live transcoding, but that could be it too... |
| [07:34:00] | atomjack: | (commercial flagging while recording) |
| [07:34:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Erm, there's some settings in the backend and some in the frontend. |
| [07:34:00] | xanderp: | it's a fairly new checkbox |
| [07:34:00] | atomjack: | ok, i'll check it out |
| [07:35:00] | xanderp: | just a possibility, nothing more |
| [07:35:00] | PaulWay[w]: | The backend is mainly for scheduling commercial flagging on other shows. |
| [07:35:00] | PaulWay[w]: | backend settings, that is. |
| [07:35:00] | atomjack: | i had an idea about commercial flagging for HD content – it seems it would be easier if the stream could be scanned for change in aspect ratio, and marks put where the changes take place, rather than blank frames |
| [07:36:00] | BigPeteB: | I think even with commercial flagging running at the same time as the recording, it still lags behind a bit. But if it's transcoding before it writes it to the disk... |
| [07:36:00] | xanderp: | good point |
| [07:37:00] | atomjack: | i'm pulling up the backend setup... |
| [07:37:00] | BigPeteB: | Actually, if you're recording something now, you could just check the job queue |
| [07:37:00] | BigPeteB: | That would be a quick way to tell. |
| [07:38:00] | PaulWay[w]: | I've always had to stop the backend when I do that, but that may be only because it was holding onto the DVB cards unnecessarily tightly. |
| [07:38:00] | atomjack: | in the backend log? |
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| [07:39:00] | BigPeteB: | What, check the job queue? |
| [07:39:00] | BigPeteB: | I just go to Info -> System Status... |
| [07:39:00] | atomjack: | hmmmmmmmm |
| [07:39:00] | atomjack: | yes |
| [07:39:00] | atomjack: | ah |
| [07:39:00] | xanderp: | you should allways use a grounding strap so that you don't damage the memory with a static surge when checking those things... |
| [07:40:00] | BigPeteB: | Hrm? |
| [07:40:00] | xanderp: | (hehe) |
| [07:40:00] | PaulWay[w]: | *chuckles* |
| [07:40:00] | atomjack: | hmm, it only lists a previously recorded program, it doesnt show medium |
| [07:40:00] | atomjack: | but the log says this: 005-10–17 22:36:27.671 Finished, 7 break(s) found. |
| [07:41:00] | PaulWay[w]: | xanderp: and beware of power gremlins! |
| [07:41:00] | xanderp: | do not let the magic smoke out of the box |
| [07:42:00] | atomjack: | where's the new checkbox? and what's it called? |
| [07:42:00] | PaulWay[w]: | Now this is where duct tape could come in really useful – keeping the magic smoke in. |
| [07:42:00] | atomjack: | for in progress commercial flagging, i didnt see anything like that |
| [07:42:00] | PaulWay[w]: | atomjack: You want the 'annoy user by pausing the playback of a currently recording show' setting... |
| [07:43:00] | atomjack: | heh |
| [07:43:00] | atomjack: | "Start Auto-Commercial Flagging jobs when the recording starts" is not checked... |
| [07:43:00] | xanderp: | despite what your high school physics teachers may have taught you, light cannot be created. Now darkions, that's another matter altogether. Why do you think burned out lightbulbs are black inside? |
| [07:43:00] | djoot: | Hi, I have a hauppage tvcard with remote, and the buttons 0–9 are mapped to the numeric keypad. Does anyone know of a way I can tell lircd not to do this? |
| [07:44:00] | xanderp: | .lircrc |
| [07:44:00] | djoot: | Isn't that only for irexec? |
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| [07:44:00] | ShockValue: | ooo i remember what i was gonna ask... |
| [07:45:00] | djoot: | I think I have to do something with /etc/lircd.conf ? |
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| [07:45:00] | ShockValue: | Im trying to figure out what the best setting are for recording 'standard' tv in highest quality as possible for a HD 16x9 set... i know it wont look great, but im trying to squeeze out as much as I can |
| [07:46:00] | ShockValue: | i thought i would just crank up the bitrates and let it rip.. but I hear thats not really the best solution? |
| [07:46:00] | xanderp: | I just remembered a pet peeve: How annoying is the question "Can I ask you a question?" (Guh! You just did, butt munch!) |
| [07:47:00] | PaulWay[w]: | xanderp: about 0.3 to 0.6 nosehairs on the standard scale. |
| [07:47:00] | xanderp: | I always answer that one with, "You just did." It REALLY annoys people that think they are smarter than you. |
| [07:47:00] | atomjack: | umm guys, ok my frontend is saying this, when watching an in process HD recording: |
| [07:47:00] | atomjack: | 2005-10–17 22:47:20.074 prebuffering pause |
| [07:47:00] | atomjack: | 2005-10–17 22:47:21.559 Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. |
| [07:48:00] | PaulWay[w]: | xanderp: It also annoys the people who are just trying to be polite (where other answers might be "In a minute" or "not about the eye") |
| [07:49:00] | xanderp: | PaulWay[w]: I prefer to say "I have a question for you, if you wouldn't mind." |
| [07:49:00] | xanderp: | that way they still have an 'out' |
| [07:49:00] | PaulWay[w]: | That is a better way to put it, agreed. |
| [07:50:00] | PaulWay[w]: | But be careful when you mock what people see as politeness ;-) |
| [07:50:00] | xanderp: | agreed |
| [07:50:00] | xanderp: | I always say my part with a large <grin> on my face, so that they see that it's all in good fun. |
| [07:51:00] | ShockValue: | do ya'll transcode your tv shows wehn you record them? is there some benefit to doing so? (what?) |
| [07:51:00] | xanderp: | I usually say "You just did, would you like to ask another?" |
| [07:51:00] | xanderp: | ShockValue:time |
| [07:52:00] | ShockValue: | time? |
| [07:52:00] | xanderp: | was the question 'while recording them' or just transcoding in general? |
| [07:52:00] | ShockValue: | in general |
| [07:52:00] | xanderp: | ahh space... |
| [07:53:00] | ShockValue: | time and space... this is sounding very Einstein |
| [07:53:00] | xanderp: | if you transcode them to a smaller 'resolution' you can squeeze the file size down |
| [07:53:00] | xanderp: | also encode them to lower quality to make smaller... |
| [07:53:00] | ShockValue: | mostly im interested in quality.. i dont spoze you can "gain" by transcoding.. but can you squeeze them into the same space and retain all the quality by using a different format? |
| [07:54:00] | atomjack: | so nobody has any ideas why i would be getting a prebuffering pause while watching in progress HD recordings? |
| [07:54:00] | ShockValue: | like wav -> flac or some such thing? |
| [07:54:00] | xanderp: | the problem with the pvrx50 is that you start out with a generic mpeg stream, and end up with a proprietary .nuv format, that you can't play easily on your work 'windowz' machine |
| [07:54:00] | xanderp: | like wav ->mp3 more like |
| [07:54:00] | xanderp: | (lossy) |
| [07:55:00] | ShockValue: | lossy = devil :) |
| [07:56:00] | ShockValue: | guess I'll just crank up the bitrate and call it good then :) |
| [07:56:00] | xanderp: | would be nice in a future version to support native transcoding to other codecs. (straight divx for example, to ease transportability)(or does it do that already and i'm just not that smart?) |
| [07:56:00] | PaulWay[w]: | xanderp: mplayer on Win32 will play nuv files... |
| [07:56:00] | xanderp: | transcoded ones? |
| [07:56:00] | ShockValue: | watching a 480x480 mpeg tv stream on a 16x9 hi-def 50" plasma is .. painfull.. Looks like I'm playing atari 2600 :0 |
| [07:57:00] | xanderp: | native pvrx50's are actually mpegs, so they work, but after a transcode? |
| [07:57:00] | PaulWay[w]: | xanderp: I definitely agree with you for wanting inbuilt shows to be converted down to XVid or OGM or whatever. |
| [07:57:00] | PaulWay[w]: | xanderp: nuv is just a transport format, like AVI. The encoding of the video and audio stream is still left in the hands of the player. |
| [07:58:00] | xanderp: | i think you can skip the transcode and script something manually, but i'm not up to that at this time... |
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| [07:59:00] | xanderp: | (let the pvr record in native mpeg format, then script a transcode to divx after the fact. actually, they did put in places for manually running scripts... maybe it's time. |
| [08:00:00] | xanderp: | just have to figure out how to tell the database it's new filename after conversion |
| [08:00:00] | xanderp: | off to fix my mythstream config... night all! nice chatting with ya |
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| [08:01:00] | PaulWay[w]: | At some point in the future I'm going to have to learn how to automatically transcode programs into smaller formats but keep them within MythTV. |
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| [08:02:00] | PaulWay[w]: | And it's time for me to head home to cook dinner (my GF's birthday). |
| [08:02:00] | atomjack: | oh well, medium is finished recording, now i can watch it with no pauses...thanks anywyas guys:) |
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| [08:23:00] | FITH: | BTW, now that I've finally upgraded from 0.16 to 0.18.2-branch in svn, I'm full expecting a 0.19 release within mere hours! :) |
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| [08:29:00] | flexy: | Was there ever a possibility to set the time difference where the commercial will be marked and where in the timeline it was detected? I have a vague memory of setting that value a long time ago, when first trying myth, but I can't seem to find it anymore. Would like to set it to zero... Am I remembering something that was not there? |
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| [09:15:00] | ShockValue: | anyone here use netflix or similar service? |
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| [09:42:00] | flexy: | Was there ever a possibility to set the time difference where the commercial will be marked and where in the timeline it was detected? I have a vague memory of setting that value a long time ago, when first trying myth, but I can't seem to find it anymore. Would like to set it to zero... Am I remembering something that was not there? |
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| [11:05:00] | amorphix: | why are PVR's so expensive |
| [11:06:00] | SlicerDicer-: | cause they rock |
| [11:06:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I can record and play video at 0% cpu usage |
| [11:06:00] | fryfrog: | cause they are hardware mpeg2 |
| [11:06:00] | SlicerDicer-: | leaving it for whatever else I want to do such as commerical flagging etc |
| [11:06:00] | amorphix: | it sounds good but they're so pricey |
| [11:07:00] | fryfrog: | SlicerDicer-: playback with 0%? |
| [11:07:00] | amorphix: | even PVR 250's fetch like £40-£50 |
| [11:07:00] | SlicerDicer-: | yep fryfrog PVR-350 |
| [11:07:00] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [11:07:00] | SlicerDicer-: | :) |
| [11:07:00] | amorphix: | when is the price coming down |
| [11:07:00] | fryfrog: | amorphix: you can always try myth with a $10 software card for testing |
| [11:07:00] | SlicerDicer-: | yeah playback at 0% and the video quality absolutly rocks |
| [11:07:00] | SlicerDicer-: | amorphix, I doubt anytime soon |
| [11:07:00] | fryfrog: | amorphix: look for the pvr150, it should be cheaper |
| [11:07:00] | amorphix: | fryfrog I got myself an analog card |
| [11:08:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hardware decoding stuff aint cheap |
| [11:08:00] | amorphix: | it uses the bt848 chipset |
| [11:08:00] | fryfrog: | amorphix: then what is wrong? |
| [11:08:00] | amorphix: | it has lines all over the right side of the picture |
| [11:08:00] | SlicerDicer-: | amorphix, I spent 180$ on my card :) its worth every penny if you watch alot of TV |
| [11:08:00] | amorphix: | phew |
| [11:08:00] | amorphix: | SlicerDicer why dont you just watch tv |
| [11:08:00] | fryfrog: | and you're sure its not the signal itself? |
| [11:09:00] | fryfrog: | also, if you use something like tvtime are the lines there? |
| [11:09:00] | amorphix: | I use a cable signal so it should be fine eh |
| [11:09:00] | fryfrog: | i use a cable signal too, and its not fine on a few channels |
| [11:09:00] | SlicerDicer-: | amorphix, well consider if your going to buy a computer... well I spent the money in the PVR-350 and just used a old processor saved me a ton of cash |
| [11:09:00] | amorphix: | yup, I tried like 4 different packages including tvtime and zapping |
| [11:09:00] | fryfrog: | 2, 68 and 75+ all suck donkey dick |
| [11:09:00] | fryfrog: | for me that is |
| [11:09:00] | SlicerDicer-: | amorphix, so by all means the PVR-350 will save alot of $$ if you think about it even if it is 180$ |
| [11:10:00] | amorphix: | SlicerDicer: ah yes that makes sense |
| [11:10:00] | fryfrog: | amorphix: i'd suggest looking for a PVR150/250 at a local store with a good return policy |
| [11:10:00] | amorphix: | okay |
| [11:10:00] | amorphix: | whats the diffference between the 150 and 250 |
| [11:10:00] | fryfrog: | amorphix: the tuner on those $10 cards can suck, but if the problem persisists to a new card you'll know :( |
| [11:10:00] | amorphix: | true |
| [11:10:00] | fryfrog: | prolly about $20–30? |
| [11:11:00] | fryfrog: | the 150 is newer and should be cheaper |
| [11:11:00] | amorphix: | oh |
| [11:11:00] | fryfrog: | i don't think they actually *make* the 250 anymore (but i think they still have boxes for sale) |
| [11:11:00] | amorphix: | so they work pretty much the same? |
| [11:11:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, you'll need a "newer" version of ivtv for pvr150 support |
| [11:11:00] | fryfrog: | but they should work fine |
| [11:11:00] | SlicerDicer-: | and the 500 is basicly 2 150's slammed together :) |
| [11:11:00] | amorphix: | phew double the fun |
| [11:12:00] | fryfrog: | if the price was identical, i'd pick the 250 for better support (older) |
| [11:12:00] | SlicerDicer-: | 350 has encode/decode hardware |
| [11:12:00] | amorphix: | i see alot of 250's on ebay |
| [11:12:00] | fryfrog: | but if it was $10–20 less for the 150 (which it should be) i'd go with a 150 |
| [11:12:00] | SlicerDicer-: | amorphix, I dont trust fleabay for hardware :) |
| [11:13:00] | amorphix: | sometimes its ok |
| [11:13:00] | amorphix: | ive had mostly good experiences with hardware |
| [11:13:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hell I dont get anything online for hardware I buy it all locally I hate having to mail off stuff |
| [11:13:00] | fryfrog: | i tend to be weary of ebay too, but if you don't mind the likelyhood of returning being hard |
| [11:13:00] | amorphix: | how much is a 150 or 250 now in the stores |
| [11:14:00] | fryfrog: | i paid $120 before a $50 rebate about a year ago for my 250 |
| [11:14:00] | SlicerDicer-: | fryfrog, lucky I wish I had a rebate :) |
| [11:14:00] | fryfrog: | I think $80–90 for a 250 is a reasonable new price |
| [11:14:00] | amorphix: | hehe US rebates |
| [11:14:00] | fryfrog: | i *think* the PVR 150 should go for $70-$80 |
| [11:14:00] | fryfrog: | but i don't have one myself |
| [11:15:00] | amorphix: | is there a card just called a WinTV |
| [11:16:00] | amorphix: | WinTV PVR |
| [11:16:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, you around or sleeping? |
| [11:16:00] | amorphix: | http://www.hauppauge.com/html/wintvpvr_datasheet.htm <-- here it is, is this a good card? |
| [11:17:00] | SlicerDicer-: | WinTV-PVR-pci has a retail price of $249 |
| [11:18:00] | SlicerDicer-: | lol! |
| [11:18:00] | SlicerDicer-: | thats more than the PVR-350 |
| [11:18:00] | amorphix: | thats a top of the range card? |
| [11:18:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hell if I know I dont know what the WinTV-PVR is |
| [11:18:00] | amorphix: | oh |
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| [11:19:00] | amorphix: | i want a rebate on it |
| [11:19:00] | amorphix: | but im in UK |
| [11:22:00] | amorphix: | http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?LEA-TV20XP <-- is this any good for Linux? |
| [11:23:00] | ** amorphix wants to swap a HP Omnibook 6000 laptop for a pvr 250 ** | |
| [11:23:00] | SlicerDicer-: | ohh hell I dont know |
| [11:24:00] | amorphix: | theres a PVR 500 on ebay for £66 |
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| [11:24:00] | SlicerDicer-: | http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?HAU-810263 thats what I have though :) damn thats expensive when you factor the price of the exchange rate |
| [11:25:00] | amorphix: | oh |
| [11:25:00] | amorphix: | maybe I should buy from eBay USA then |
| [11:25:00] | amorphix: | i can use the exchange rate in my favour |
| [11:25:00] | SlicerDicer-: | haha |
| [11:26:00] | SlicerDicer-: | you would more than likely have to pay import duty :) |
| [11:26:00] | amorphix: | I did that on a Canon Powershot camera |
| [11:26:00] | amorphix: | got it for like half the UK price |
| [11:26:00] | amorphix: | nah you dont pay it on items under £100 |
| [11:27:00] | amorphix: | you get the sender to mark it up as "gift, of no commercial value" |
| [11:27:00] | amorphix: | works everytime |
| [11:28:00] | amorphix: | im seeing alot of these Mustek pocket PVRs on eBay |
| [11:28:00] | amorphix: | what do you guys think of those? |
| [11:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | haha |
| [11:29:00] | amorphix: | they claim to be able to capture video from any source and since they have their own playback and lcd screen you can watch movies anywhere without a puter |
| [11:29:00] | ** SlicerDicer- notes amorphix is a bit more on the uptake than I thought ** | |
| [11:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | that Gift does work quite well :) |
| [11:29:00] | amorphix: | :-) |
| [11:30:00] | amorphix: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . keTrack=true |
| [11:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | lol hell if I know but I would not buy it :) |
| [11:31:00] | amorphix: | looks like rubbish? |
| [11:31:00] | SlicerDicer-: | rubbish indeed |
| [11:31:00] | amorphix: | i have a little redundant pc with a small form factor i'd like to turn into a pvr box, but its only a Pentium 200mmx.. doesnt have enough poke? |
| [11:32:00] | SlicerDicer-: | eeek |
| [11:32:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hmm ask around on that one |
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| [11:32:00] | amorphix: | ok |
| [11:32:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I think at least 500mhz would be needed |
| [11:32:00] | amorphix: | ah |
| [11:32:00] | SlicerDicer-: | the lowest system I run myth on is 1.4ghz |
| [11:32:00] | amorphix: | why so much power |
| [11:32:00] | SlicerDicer-: | umm... |
| [11:32:00] | SlicerDicer-: | that was spare parts lol |
| [11:33:00] | amorphix: | oh! |
| [11:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | thats what I built my backend out of |
| [11:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | 512 DDR400 on that :P |
| [11:33:00] | amorphix: | is that a dedicated machine? |
| [11:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | yeah |
| [11:33:00] | amorphix: | why did u tie up such a powerful cpu in such a low demanding job |
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| [11:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | amorphix, was not being used for anything else |
| [11:33:00] | amorphix: | surely you could put something cheaper in and use that 1.4 in a workstation |
| [11:33:00] | amorphix: | oh |
| [11:34:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I am fixing to bump that system to 2700+ AMD and pop that 1.4 to a dedicated frontend and thats it |
| [11:34:00] | amorphix: | fair enough heh |
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| [11:34:00] | ** SlicerDicer- has 10 computers tommrow I will have 11 :P getting a new imac g5 ** | |
| [11:34:00] | amorphix: | nice |
| [11:34:00] | amorphix: | i have a laptop in bits |
| [11:34:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont have a laptop hehe |
| [11:34:00] | amorphix: | im doing some experiments with it |
| [11:35:00] | amorphix: | i have 2 other laptops |
| [11:35:00] | SlicerDicer-: | well I could slam my LCD's on my lap ontop of the tower cases? |
| [11:35:00] | amorphix: | 2 workstations, and 1 heavy duty server |
| [11:35:00] | SlicerDicer-: | LOL!! |
| [11:35:00] | SlicerDicer-: | not bad |
| [11:35:00] | amorphix: | yeah why not |
| [11:35:00] | amorphix: | use the lcd from a laptop if its borken |
| [11:36:00] | amorphix: | im gonna have to sell this omnibook laptop |
| [11:36:00] | amorphix: | i cant get it to work reliability across NFS |
| [11:36:00] | amorphix: | must be hardware issue |
| [11:37:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hmm |
| [11:37:00] | SlicerDicer-: | not sure |
| [11:37:00] | ** amorphix shrugs ** | |
| [11:37:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I just recently started working with NFS |
| [11:37:00] | amorphix: | i tried everything pretty much |
| [11:38:00] | amorphix: | I setup NFS a few months back and put my home folder on NFS on server |
| [11:38:00] | amorphix: | its pretty cool being able to login from anywhere and access everything |
| [11:38:00] | amorphix: | but this laptop wont do big file transfers across NFS, just craps out and freezes |
| [11:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | amorphix, mainly why I end up with so many boxes though is cause I am a gamer so my mythbox has a Geforce 4 in the damn thing LOL my server has a 4800 in it.... |
| [11:39:00] | amorphix: | ahh |
| [11:39:00] | amorphix: | you need the cpu power then |
| [11:39:00] | SlicerDicer-: | aye |
| [11:39:00] | SlicerDicer-: | this box is in need of upgrade actually |
| [11:39:00] | SlicerDicer-: | thats why I will end up with a more powerful mythbackend |
| [11:39:00] | amorphix: | im running all P3's here and although they're pretty ancient by todays cpu standards they do me just fine for my needs |
| [11:39:00] | SlicerDicer-: | ohh yeah I am sure I would run a much lesser computer if I did not game |
| [11:40:00] | amorphix: | ive never done any puter games myself |
| [11:40:00] | SlicerDicer-: | my 1.4 would handle everything I would need to do |
| [11:40:00] | amorphix: | oh i tell a lie, i used to play Quake? a while back |
| [11:40:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [11:40:00] | amorphix: | :-) |
| [11:40:00] | SlicerDicer-: | quake 4 yeh! linux native :) it looks like its going to be so awesome |
| [11:40:00] | amorphix: | i remember playing a war game once called Red Alert Command & Conquer |
| [11:41:00] | amorphix: | i loved that but it was a huge time waster |
| [11:41:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [11:41:00] | amorphix: | show me |
| [11:42:00] | amorphix: | hehe thats a nice little setup |
| [11:42:00] | SlicerDicer-: | thx |
| [11:42:00] | amorphix: | you do alot of gaming |
| [11:42:00] | SlicerDicer-: | quite a bit yep |
| [11:42:00] | amorphix: | do you run a gaming server? |
| [11:42:00] | SlicerDicer-: | if I want/need sure |
| [11:42:00] | SlicerDicer-: | thats what the middle one does |
| [11:43:00] | amorphix: | theres a soda can and the obligatory disposable coffee cup |
| [11:43:00] | amorphix: | very USA ;-) |
| [11:43:00] | SlicerDicer-: | haha |
| [11:43:00] | SlicerDicer-: | those disposable cups rock |
| [11:43:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I use them for water |
| [11:43:00] | SlicerDicer-: | holds alot of water I dont have to get up repeatedly |
| [11:43:00] | amorphix: | you recycle them? |
| [11:44:00] | SlicerDicer-: | nah |
| [11:44:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont recycle |
| [11:44:00] | amorphix: | but it came with coffee and now u r drinking water from it, thats recycling ;-) |
| [11:44:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I usto back when they paid me for it but when they decided to stop paying me then want me to sort it for them so they make cash? no way |
| [11:44:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [11:44:00] | amorphix: | phew USA is in another world |
| [11:45:00] | amorphix: | Europe is all about recycling these days its everywhere |
| [11:45:00] | SlicerDicer-: | heh yeah but you got limited space to cram with garbage |
| [11:45:00] | amorphix: | everyone is expected to do their bit and sort their rubbish etc |
| [11:45:00] | SlicerDicer-: | we can just fill nevada or something |
| [11:45:00] | amorphix: | true |
| [11:46:00] | ** SlicerDicer- hopes nobody is from nevada ** | |
| [11:46:00] | amorphix: | lets see if i can identify all the items on your desk |
| [11:46:00] | SlicerDicer-: | LOL! |
| [11:46:00] | amorphix: | PVR remote? |
| [11:46:00] | SlicerDicer-: | nay comcast cablebox remote :) |
| [11:46:00] | amorphix: | CD cake |
| [11:46:00] | amorphix: | ahh |
| [11:46:00] | amorphix: | CD cake x 2? |
| [11:46:00] | SlicerDicer-: | yes but what game is on the right stack? |
| [11:46:00] | amorphix: | hehe cant see that not enough detail |
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| [11:47:00] | amorphix: | 2 optical mice |
| [11:47:00] | SlicerDicer-: | microsloth ones :) |
| [11:47:00] | SlicerDicer-: | but there are 3 total |
| [11:47:00] | amorphix: | whats this near the keyboard on the left? |
| [11:47:00] | amorphix: | looks like some kind of card reader |
| [11:47:00] | amorphix: | or maybe its a pvr sensor? |
| [11:48:00] | SlicerDicer-: | smokes :) |
| [11:48:00] | amorphix: | ahh |
| [11:48:00] | SlicerDicer-: | we dont have 40 packs here so they are not giant |
| [11:48:00] | amorphix: | is that a pack of 10? |
| [11:48:00] | SlicerDicer-: | 20 |
| [11:48:00] | amorphix: | oh |
| [11:49:00] | amorphix: | a pack of 20 cigs will cost u around £4.70 here |
| [11:49:00] | SlicerDicer-: | they are like 5.60$ a pack here |
| [11:49:00] | SlicerDicer-: | its nuts |
| [11:49:00] | amorphix: | i gave up smoking 2 years ago |
| [11:50:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I am down to 1/4 pack a day I am tryin to quit |
| [11:50:00] | amorphix: | good man |
| [11:50:00] | amorphix: | the money you save alone is worth it |
| [11:50:00] | SlicerDicer-: | nothing else to save cash :) |
| [11:50:00] | SlicerDicer-: | haha |
| [11:50:00] | SlicerDicer-: | well its almost 3 am I got to get to sleep |
| [11:50:00] | amorphix: | can put it into more games and hardware |
| [11:50:00] | amorphix: | okay |
| [11:51:00] | SlicerDicer-: | ask around about that CPU for a backend |
| [11:51:00] | SlicerDicer-: | you may be able to getby with it as a backend/frontend if you use a PVR-350 for encode/decode |
| [11:51:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont know thought |
| [11:51:00] | amorphix: | ok |
| [11:51:00] | SlicerDicer-: | well I am outa here :) |
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| [12:24:00] | diamon: | Using a PVR-150 with the IVTV driver, some of my channels are way quieter than others... Is there any way to 'normalize' the audio volume without post-processing it? |
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| [12:41:00] | juski: | diamon.. in a word, no |
| [12:41:00] | mchou: | juski: huh?? |
| [12:42:00] | mchou: | 159 has agc, if I'm not mistaken..... |
| [12:42:00] | juski: | does it? |
| [12:42:00] | juski: | cool |
| [12:42:00] | mchou: | probably ivtv on the fritz |
| [12:43:00] | juski: | it's high time all the broadcasters conformed to standards for stuff like that |
| [12:43:00] | mchou: | it's a wonder ivtv works at all w/o specs |
| [12:43:00] | mchou: | which is a nice way of saying "it's buggy" :) |
| [12:44:00] | juski: | well, it'll only be buggy til it's all fixed ;) |
| [12:44:00] | mchou: | it wont ever be fixed if ppl cant get specs |
| [12:44:00] | juski: | or til hauppauge release specs |
| [12:44:00] | mchou: | not hauppauge, connexant |
| [12:44:00] | juski: | OH |
| [12:45:00] | juski: | it can' |
| [12:45:00] | juski: | ahem |
| [12:45:00] | juski: | it can't stay closed forever |
| [12:46:00] | mchou: | lol, analog tv aint gonna be around forever either :) |
| [12:46:00] | juski: | don't start |
| [12:46:00] | mchou: | dont start what? |
| [12:46:00] | juski: | or I'll go off on a tangent about drm-free tv |
| [12:46:00] | mchou: | just pointing out some facts..... |
| [12:47:00] | juski: | true.. and point taken |
| [12:47:00] | mchou: | this PSOne LCD vga hack looks interesting...... |
| [12:47:00] | juski: | I get pretty down when I think about DRM |
| [12:48:00] | mchou: | there is no need to be down. |
| [12:48:00] | mchou: | just dont buy it is all. |
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| [12:48:00] | mchou: | 10 yrs later manufacturers/copyright holders will see error of their ways |
| [12:49:00] | Goose-Npa: | hello anyone here running nuvexport? |
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| [12:49:00] | mchou: | when nothing works together. |
| [12:49:00] | mchou: | and nobody is gonna buy into that crap. |
| [12:50:00] | mchou: | just like how dongles failed in the SW marketplace.... |
| [12:50:00] | Goose-Npa: | http://pastebin.com/397376 i get this error when i run nuvexport |
| [12:51:00] | mchou: | um, the error is obvious |
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| [12:52:00] | mchou: | install perl:Date::Manip |
| [12:52:00] | Goose-Npa: | heh not to me |
| [12:52:00] | Goose-Npa: | oh |
| [12:52:00] | mchou: | duh |
| [12:52:00] | juski: | mchou: doing okay avoding HDCP protected HDTV.. cos we can't get it in the UK lol |
| [12:52:00] | Goose-Npa: | i can see how that is semi obvious :) |
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| [12:54:00] | mchou: | juski: you guys have DVB, no? |
| [12:56:00] | juski: | mchou – yep |
| [12:56:00] | mchou: | bedtime. |
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| [12:57:00] | juski: | but if they suddenly used a new flag & tried to force everyone into buying new gear theree'd be a slight backlash.. it's been hard enough getting folks to go digital |
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| [13:01:00] | diamon: | Ok, so basically I'm just fighting a silly and likely futile battle with AGC, so if I want to normalize audio I'll just have to do it in post-processing? |
| [13:01:00] | diamon: | Or pray the driver folks get lucky and just keep an eye on patch messages? |
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| [13:34:00] | PaulWay: | Greetings! |
| [13:35:00] | PaulWay: | Anyone got any tips for making sure that MPEG2 hardware decoding is enabled on NVidia chips under FC4 using the livna packages? |
| [13:35:00] | PaulWay: | (big ask, I know...) |
| [13:37:00] | juski: | PaulWay: it's not really mpeg2 hardware decoding... more assistance |
| [13:38:00] | PaulWay: | Well, either way. |
| [13:38:00] | juski: | best way to make sure is to compile mythtv with xvmc in |
| [13:38:00] | juski: | if there's a menu option for it, when you've installed the package, I think you should be ok |
| [13:39:00] | PaulWay: | I enabled the xvmc option in the frontend and then it said "couldn't initialise video" |
| [13:39:00] | PaulWay: | What should I be looking for in my xorg.conf? |
| [13:39:00] | rovi: | PaulWay: errors? :) |
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| [13:40:00] | PaulWay: | rovi: the mythfrontend log just says "No XvMC found" |
| [13:40:00] | rovi: | pastebin a verbose frontend log... probably also a copy of the xorg log. |
| [13:42:00] | PaulWay: | rovi: do I start the mythfrontend with some verbose option? |
| [13:42:00] | rovi: | PaulWay: "-v all" will log everything. |
| [13:44:00] | PaulWay: | Hang on a tick. |
| [13:45:00] | PaulWay: | http://pastebin.ca/25830 |
| [13:46:00] | Cardoe: | PaulWay: what nvidia card do you have? |
| [13:46:00] | PaulWay: | GeForce 2 |
| [13:46:00] | PaulWay: | I'm going to have to spring for a semi-recent card soon, I can tell. |
| [13:47:00] | PaulWay: | The actual main frontend has a 5200 in it. This is just my coding machine. |
| [13:47:00] | Cardoe: | XvMC only works on GeForce4s and higher |
| [13:48:00] | PaulWay: | Aaaahhhhh. |
| [13:48:00] | PaulWay: | curses. |
| [13:48:00] | PaulWay: | Let's just have a look at that spare video card I have... |
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| [13:49:00] | ** rovi hasn't stopped chuckling. ** | |
| [13:50:00] | PaulWay: | Nope, that's a Viper 770. |
| [13:50:00] | rovi: | PaulWay: sheesh, it's 2005 dude. :) |
| [13:50:00] | PaulWay: | *laughs* |
| [13:51:00] | PaulWay: | Yeah, I know, pathetic isn't it? |
| [13:51:00] | PaulWay: | I'm building a bunch of old machines up as firewalls for friends, so I have a bunch of old PCI and ISA video and network cards. |
| [13:51:00] | PaulWay: | I can see I'm going to have to go shopping. |
| [13:52:00] | PaulWay: | How much should I trust eBay on this, I wonder... |
| [13:52:00] | PaulWay: | At the moment, I have $72 per fortnight net. |
| [13:56:00] | PaulWay: | Crimson christ! |
| [13:57:00] | PaulWay: | I can afford about two sticks of chewing gum and a piece of string of reasonable size. |
| [13:57:00] | PaulWay: | Just looked at my bank balance, and I'm -$50. I get paid in two days... |
| [13:59:00] | juski: | ouch! maybe you should charge these friends for your time |
| [13:59:00] | PaulWay: | Anyway, enough of that. Thanks for the help, anyway. |
| [14:00:00] | juski: | let them pay you in hardware vouchers ;) |
| [14:01:00] | PaulWay: | Mmmm. |
| [14:03:00] | PaulWay: | Anyway, time for me to go to bed. |
| [14:03:00] | PaulWay: | Let sleep draw the veil on the pit of despair that is my bank account. |
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| [14:08:00] | diamon: | Oh, and just to help folks who may see this, I recently updated to nvidia's 7676 driver from 7667 and started getting segfaults in GLX when starting X in FC3. Remarking out GLX in X's config worked, but the real fix was to uninstall the old RPM's of nvidia-graphics* except for the most recent one (I think I did --nodeps as well) and reinstall the latest one at the end. Turns out there were leftover links and files for GLX in /us |
| [14:09:00] | diamon: | I think the leftovers were actually from the very old version of the driver I had used at first, 46##(something) or thereabouts, but it didn't show up until I tried the RPM for 7676. |
| [14:11:00] | diamon: | If nothing else, my comments might prove useful to some poor sot desparately searching the web like I was, since you guys log the channel. :) |
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| [14:11:00] | diamon: | Sot? Hmmm, 'sod' would be more what I meant... |
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| [15:21:00] | Hoxzer: | somebody here has ubuntu |
| [15:21:00] | Hoxzer: | ? |
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| [15:38:00] | Hoxzer: | is it possible to use my video card without IVTV? |
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| [15:43:00] | rjune: | Hoxzer: sure, if you want to run mythtv w/out tv ability |
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| [15:56:00] | fryfrog: | Hoxzer: that question sounds to me like "is it okay to use my lawn mower without my dish washer" |
| [15:57:00] | fryfrog: | ivtv and your video card are *generally* unrelated |
| [15:57:00] | Cardoe: | Hoxzer: ivtv is only a driver for the TV tuner cards produced by Hauppauge |
| [15:57:00] | Cardoe: | so if you had one of those cards, then you wouldn't get TV recordings |
| [15:57:00] | Cardoe: | but yes, you could still use MythTV |
| [15:58:00] | fryfrog: | hey Cardoe :) |
| [15:58:00] | Cardoe: | hey fryfrog |
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| [15:58:00] | Cardoe: | what version of Myth are you using? |
| [15:58:00] | fryfrog: | me or him? |
| [15:59:00] | Cardoe: | you |
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| [15:59:00] | fryfrog: | SVN from a week or so ago, via mythtv-svn ebuild |
| [16:00:00] | Hoxzer: | :D |
| [16:00:00] | Hoxzer: | lol |
| [16:00:00] | Hoxzer: | goddamn |
| [16:00:00] | Hoxzer: | .... |
| [16:00:00] | Hoxzer: | I tried to install IVTV to my main comp ;E |
| [16:00:00] | Hoxzer: | damn VNC |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: you wrote that ebuild or no? |
| [16:01:00] | fryfrog: | no, i found the ebuild |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | or you're working on it? |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | ok |
| [16:01:00] | fryfrog: | i did modify it a lot though |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | Well like I said. |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | if I can get some users interested. |
| [16:01:00] | fryfrog: | snapshots? |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | I'd put supported SVN snapshots into Portage |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | yes |
| [16:01:00] | fryfrog: | i'd be up for trying a snapshot |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | I create my own personal snapshots already |
| [16:02:00] | Cardoe: | but quite obviously they get limited testing |
| [16:02:00] | Cardoe: | it'll help us be prepared for new release |
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| [16:02:00] | fryfrog: | sure, point me to your snapshot ebuild and the archive of the snapshot |
| [16:02:00] | fryfrog: | you have plugins and themes snapshot of svn too or? |
| [16:03:00] | Cardoe: | well the latest one I made doesn't have the plugins done |
| [16:03:00] | Cardoe: | Just cause of the changes to the build process since my last snapshot |
| [16:04:00] | Cardoe: | it's required a bunch of changes. |
| [16:04:00] | Cardoe: | only thing that's there is mythtv and mythweb so far |
| [16:04:00] | Cardoe: | which plugins do you use? |
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| [16:07:00] | Cardoe: | http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/mythtv/ |
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| [16:19:00] | Beirdo: | blah |
| [16:19:00] | Beirdo: | well, my spine is now partially adjusted :) |
| [16:22:00] | Hoxzer: | what distro are you guys using? |
| [16:22:00] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [16:23:00] | Hoxzer: | just want to know |
| [16:23:00] | Beirdo: | OpenBSD, Gentoo, Ubuntu (hoary), FC1, RH8 |
| [16:23:00] | Beirdo: | and Solaris 8 |
| [16:23:00] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: I'd actually be okay with no plugins for a while, wouldn't bother me |
| [16:23:00] | Hoxzer: | s |
| [16:23:00] | fryfrog: | mainly i think i use music |
| [16:24:00] | Hoxzer: | Beirdo: have setup mythtv to ubuntu? |
| [16:24:00] | fryfrog: | Gentoo and Ubuntu (Breezy Badger) |
| [16:24:00] | Beirdo: | no, I use myth on my FC1 box still |
| [16:24:00] | Beirdo: | it ain't broke, I'm not gonna fix it |
| [16:24:00] | fryfrog: | after using ubuntu, i find it quite spiffy |
| [16:25:00] | fryfrog: | FC4 wouldn't boot on the lappy i was "experimenting" on, suke :( |
| [16:25:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: RH8 on what? |
| [16:26:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: see I use mpd for music |
| [16:26:00] | Cardoe: | I think mythmusic is too slow and kludgy |
| [16:26:00] | Cardoe: | I have some sketch mockups for mythmusic-mpd |
| [16:26:00] | Beirdo: | Cardoe: my old mail/news/web server that I haven't finished migrating to the new Ubuntu box yet |
| [16:26:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:26:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: ah |
| [16:26:00] | Cardoe: | on paper of course. |
| [16:26:00] | Beirdo: | I used to have RH7.3 on a colo machine |
| [16:26:00] | Beirdo: | but it's on the floor now, shut off |
| [16:27:00] | fryfrog: | i dislike using mythmusic with the pvr250's remote |
| [16:27:00] | fryfrog: | its a wee bit slow! |
| [16:27:00] | fryfrog: | i also find it odd that pgup/pgdn don't do anything |
| [16:27:00] | Krazylegz: | fryfrog: Really? Mine works great with the remote from the PVR-350. |
| [16:29:00] | Cardoe: | there's only 3 kinds of remotes. |
| [16:29:00] | Cardoe: | black, grey, new style grey which I call the MCE |
| [16:29:00] | Cardoe: | afaik |
| [16:29:00] | Krazylegz: | So, anyone consider having the frontend listen on the network, so that you could control it from another application? |
| [16:30:00] | Cardoe: | Krazylegz: mfd |
| [16:30:00] | Cardoe: | Gonna buy the PVR-150 MCE at Best Buy |
| [16:30:00] | Cardoe: | and create a good keymap for the new remote |
| [16:30:00] | Cardoe: | then return it |
| [16:30:00] | Cardoe: | I bet their cost on that card is pretty crappy |
| [16:30:00] | Cardoe: | since they only have 1 |
| [16:30:00] | Cardoe: | and probably don't buy too many |
| [16:30:00] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe: ??? |
| [16:31:00] | Cardoe: | Krazylegz: it's called mfd |
| [16:31:00] | Cardoe: | the prog that does that |
| [16:31:00] | Cardoe: | http://svn.mythtv.org |
| [16:31:00] | Cardoe: | I pwn Best Buy |
| [16:31:00] | Cardoe: | I buy something I want |
| [16:31:00] | Cardoe: | return it |
| [16:31:00] | Cardoe: | so it gets the open box special. |
| [16:31:00] | Cardoe: | then my friend buys it for me |
| [16:31:00] | Cardoe: | open box + employee discount |
| [16:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Haha. Brilliant. |
| [16:32:00] | Cardoe: | used to be able to use the mail in rebates after that |
| [16:32:00] | Cardoe: | with my receipt |
| [16:32:00] | Cardoe: | but now it doesn't work |
| [16:32:00] | Cardoe: | maybe manufacture MIR will work |
| [16:35:00] | Krazylegz: | OH. Myth Frontend Daemon. I'm sitting here trying to figure out what mfd is. :-) |
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| [16:40:00] | Beirdo: | motherf**king dumba$$? |
| [16:40:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:40:00] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [16:40:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [16:41:00] | rapha: | Hi all! |
| [16:42:00] | rapha: | How do I tell MythMusic where my music lies? |
| [16:42:00] | jklaas: | hello |
| [16:42:00] | jklaas: | You set that in "Media Settings" |
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| [16:43:00] | rapha: | jklaas: I only have access through SSH or MythWeb |
| [16:43:00] | jklaas: | Hmmm. I've never used MythWeb (it's on my list to do). |
| [16:44:00] | rapha: | :-) |
| [16:44:00] | rapha: | Kay, nm |
| [16:44:00] | rapha: | thx |
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| [16:44:00] | Cardoe: | rapha: you don't actually watch stuff on a TV? |
| [16:44:00] | rapha: | Cardoe: Yes, but I'm at work. |
| [16:45:00] | Cardoe: | rapha: do you have a Linux desktop at work? |
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| [16:45:00] | rapha: | Nope; Win XP. |
| [16:45:00] | rapha: | Cardoe: I wanted to see if I could use MythMusic to stream my music here |
| [16:45:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [16:45:00] | Cardoe: | nope |
| [16:45:00] | Beirdo: | shoutcast can, I'm sure |
| [16:45:00] | rapha: | Ah kay then |
| [16:45:00] | rapha: | Beirdo: thx! |
| [16:45:00] | rapha: | :-) |
| [16:46:00] | Cardoe: | shoutcast or my personal favorite is edna |
| [16:46:00] | Beirdo: | I'll leave the royalties, etc issues to you |
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| [16:51:00] | Goshen: | isn't there a mythstream package? |
| [16:54:00] | ** Hoxzer lähettää Goshenille kondoomidildon ** | |
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| [17:02:00] | Krazylegz: | Goshen: There is. |
| [17:03:00] | Goshen: | perhaps that is what rapha needs |
| [17:04:00] | Krazylegz: | I think it's only for video? |
| [17:04:00] | Krazylegz: | It uses VLC. |
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| [17:18:00] | Wonker: | So, quick question: If I just want to wipe out all my recorded programs (note the actual files are unavailable), but want to make sure that all of those can be re-recorded. |
| [17:19:00] | Wonker: | Is just emptying the 'recorded' table gonna do it for me? Or is the fact they have been recorded elsewhere (blocking further recording) |
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| [17:33:00] | rapha: | Hey! |
| [17:33:00] | rapha: | It doesn't recor! |
| [17:33:00] | rapha: | How can I tell it to start recording a channel NOW |
| [17:33:00] | rapha: | ? |
| [17:34:00] | zuralin: | R |
| [17:34:00] | rapha: | R? |
| [17:34:00] | rapha: | Oh |
| [17:34:00] | rapha: | No |
| [17:34:00] | rapha: | Over MythWeb |
| [17:34:00] | rapha: | Or maybe the command line |
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| [17:35:00] | Krazylegz: | Tell it to record the show. |
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| [17:35:00] | rapha: | Krazylegz: Well I can only do manual schedule since the grabber didn't work and I have no listings |
| [17:35:00] | rapha: | It should just start to record station E2 for an hour *now* |
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| [18:24:00] | juski: | reset |
| [18:28:00] | Goose-Npa: | im tryin to use nuvexport |
| [18:28:00] | Goose-Npa: | and it says that everything is disabled when i run it |
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| [18:35:00] | flithm: | hey everyone... does anyone elses mythbackend crash a lot when deleting recordings? |
| [18:36:00] | Goose-Npa: | no |
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| [18:36:00] | flithm: | hrmf... for me mythbackend is almost guaranteed to crash if I delete a recording... very weird. |
| [18:36:00] | Darby_: | What filesystem are you using on that partition? |
| [18:36:00] | Hoxzer: | What distro are you guys using on mythtv box? |
| [18:37:00] | flithm: | Darby: ext3 |
| [18:37:00] | flithm: | Hoxzer: gentoo here |
| [18:37:00] | Darby_: | flithm: also, that used to happen to me when the partition was totally full and I didn't have auto expire turned on |
| [18:37:00] | Darby_: | gentoo here as well |
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| [18:38:00] | flithm: | Darby_: Hmm... my partition isn't full and I do have autoexpire on |
| [18:38:00] | zuralin: | debian here |
| [18:39:00] | Darby_: | flithm: I haven't used ext3 much, but I know the Myth docs recommend using XFS or JFS. The reason they give is speed in handling large files rather than stability though |
| [18:39:00] | Darby_: | what happens when the backend "crashes" |
| [18:39:00] | zuralin: | yeah JFS has taken a shit on me before.. I use XFS now |
| [18:40:00] | Darby_: | I've noticed recently that If I have to turn the machine off rather than shutting it down cleanly, my JFS partitions don't mount and I have to manually fsck tham. |
| [18:41:00] | flithm: | I used to use XFS before too, which although supposedly journaled, totally died on me during a power outage. Also the lack of XFS restore utils was problematic in that indcident. I've decided to stick with stability from now on :) |
| [18:41:00] | Darby_: | I haven't used XFS yet though |
| [18:42:00] | Goose-Npa: | how come my ffmpeg installation doesn't support anything? |
| [18:42:00] | flithm: | Darby: when it crashes the mythbackend processes just die off and I have to "zap" the mythbackend service and restart it. I assume it's segfaulting but I've never run it in the foreground to check. |
| [18:42:00] | Darby_: | hmmmm... anything in the log? |
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| [18:47:00] | flithm: | I can't really find anything |
| [18:52:00] | flithm: | Goose-Npa: what distro? |
| [18:52:00] | Goose-Npa: | slackware |
| [18:53:00] | flithm: | did you compile from source or use a packaged install? |
| [18:53:00] | flithm: | for ffmpeg |
| [18:53:00] | Goose-Npa: | packaged install and source |
| [18:53:00] | flithm: | same results eh? |
| [18:53:00] | Goose-Npa: | but neither give me an option to enable things |
| [18:53:00] | Goose-Npa: | yea |
| [18:54:00] | Cardoe: | hah! |
| [18:54:00] | flithm: | what is it that's not enabled? like divx, xvid, win32 codecs, aac, etc? |
| [18:54:00] | Cardoe: | PVR-500 and 80GB HD just showed up |
| [18:54:00] | Cardoe: | So now all I need is a PVR-350 |
| [18:54:00] | Cardoe: | and I have one of each |
| [18:54:00] | Cardoe: | :) |
| [18:54:00] | Goose-Npa: | flithm: in nuvexport nothing is enabled |
| [18:54:00] | Goose-Npa: | Your ffmpeg installation doesn't support encoding to mpeg2video. |
| [18:54:00] | Goose-Npa: | Your ffmpeg installation doesn't support encoding to mp2 audio. |
| [18:55:00] | Goose-Npa: | pretty much says that for everything i try to run in nuvexport |
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| [18:55:00] | Cardoe: | Goose-Npa: distro? |
| [18:55:00] | Goose-Npa: | slackware |
| [18:56:00] | Cardoe: | install all the extra utils |
| [18:56:00] | Cardoe: | like |
| [18:56:00] | Cardoe: | avifile, mjpegtools |
| [18:56:00] | Cardoe: | flac |
| [18:57:00] | Cardoe: | then recompile ffmpeg |
| [18:57:00] | flithm: | Goose-Npa: paste the result of: ffmpeg | grep build |
| [18:57:00] | Goose-Npa: | yea how do i find a dependency list Cardoe of all the one's i would need |
| [18:57:00] | flithm: | Goose-Npa: also need transcode for nuvexport as well |
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| [18:57:00] | Goose-Npa: | yea how do i find out all the stuff i need its not in the install readmes |
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| [18:59:00] | fourcheeze: | I'm getting some nasty glitches in recording. These happen more at particular times of day but can happen any time. Generally I get a few jumps and then if I'm really unlucky recording stops or carries on without sound. |
| [18:59:00] | fourcheeze: | Tv card is a hauppauge nova-t dvb card |
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| [18:59:00] | fourcheeze: | am I right in thinking that it's probably a bad digital TV signal that's causing it? |
| [18:59:00] | flithm: | Goose-Npa: here's the dependency listing from the gentoo ebuild: RDEPEND="dev-perl/DBI dev-perl/DBD-mysql dev-perl/DateManip >=media-video/ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20050226-r1 media-video/mjpegtools >=media-video/transcode-0.6.14 media-video/avidemux media-video/lve media-libs/id3lib media-video/mplayer media-tv/mythtv" |
| [18:59:00] | fourcheeze: | is there a good way to measure the strength of the signal? |
| [19:00:00] | flithm: | fourcheeze: what sort of glitches? |
| [19:00:00] | fourcheeze: | jumps |
| [19:00:00] | flithm: | hrmf |
| [19:00:00] | fourcheeze: | misses about 0.5 seconds |
| [19:00:00] | flithm: | do you use your backend machine for anything else? |
| [19:00:00] | fourcheeze: | often accompanied by a shriek on the audio channel |
| [19:01:00] | fourcheeze: | no |
| [19:01:00] | fourcheeze: | well |
| [19:01:00] | flithm: | only when recording, does livetv do it too? |
| [19:01:00] | Goose-Npa: | flithm: yea there used to be like a page that showed you everything you need to have installed |
| [19:01:00] | fourcheeze: | I use it for playback/recording of tv and music |
| [19:01:00] | Goose-Npa: | i dont see it anymore |
| [19:01:00] | fourcheeze: | flithm: it seems to be less likely to do it on livetv, but that could be coincidence |
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| [19:02:00] | flithm: | hrmf |
| [19:03:00] | flithm: | that's gotta be annoying |
| [19:03:00] | Goose-Npa: | flithm: is that the dependency for nuvexport or ffmpeg |
| [19:03:00] | flithm: | Goose-Npa: that's for nuvexport |
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| [19:04:00] | flithm: | fourcheeze: do you have concurrent commercial flagging enabled? and how fast is your machine? |
| [19:04:00] | fourcheeze: | no, I've turned off all tjhe jobs |
| [19:04:00] | fourcheeze: | box is athlon64–2800 |
| [19:05:00] | Goose-Npa: | flindet: what about for ffmpeg |
| [19:06:00] | fourcheeze: | flithm: are there any tests I can do? |
| [19:06:00] | flithm: | Goose-Npa: does running dvbscan give you any info? |
| [19:06:00] | flithm: | err sorry tat was for fourcheeze |
| [19:06:00] | Goose-Npa: | command not found |
| [19:06:00] | flithm: | sorry Goose-Npa not for you |
| [19:07:00] | flithm: | Goose-Npa: did the dependency listing help any? |
| [19:08:00] | fourcheeze: | flithm: dunno, I'll try it in a mo – just putting the kids to bed |
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| [19:13:00] | Goose-Npa: | flithm: maybe, do you know what the dependencies for ffmpeg are? |
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| [19:16:00] | flithm: | Goose-Npa: media-libs/imlib2 >=media-libs/freetype-2 >=media-libs/libsdl-1.2.1 media-sound/lame media-libs/libogg media-libs/libvorbis media-libs/libtheora media-libs/faad2 media-libs/faac >=media-libs/a52dec-0.7.4-r4 >=media-libs/xvid-1.0.3 sys-libs/zlib media-libs/libdts |
| [19:16:00] | flithm: | Goose-Npa: almost all of those are optional |
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| [19:24:00] | Goose-Npa: | wwelp everything is still disabled |
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| [19:28:00] | fourcheeze: | flithm: what sort of things should I be looking for coming out of dvbscan ? |
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| [19:30:00] | flithm: | fourcheeze: I dunno, I don't use a dvb card, but I just thought maybe it might print some sort of error if there's something wrong with the dvb setup |
| [19:30:00] | fourcheeze: | seems to just be giving me a list of channels |
| [19:31:00] | fourcheeze: | e.g. Men & Motors:842000000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_3_4:QAM_16:TRANSMISS ION_MODE_2K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_32:HIERARCHY_NONE:601:602:27072 |
| [19:31:00] | fourcheeze: | I think it might be worth getting a guy out to have a look at the aerial setup |
| [19:31:00] | fourcheeze: | maybe measure the output |
| [19:32:00] | flithm: | yeah maybe |
| [19:32:00] | fourcheeze: | ahh now it's taking quite a while for tzap to come back with FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [19:33:00] | fourcheeze: | like about 5–6 seconds |
| [19:33:00] | flithm: | what does that mean? |
| [19:33:00] | fourcheeze: | ok, tzap tunes in the dvb front end |
| [19:33:00] | fourcheeze: | when it actually finds the channel it says "FE_HAS_LOCK" |
| [19:34:00] | fourcheeze: | normally that should take about 1 seconds |
| [19:34:00] | flithm: | so it's having a hard time finding a channel? |
| [19:34:00] | fourcheeze: | seems to |
| [19:34:00] | flithm: | yeah I can see why you'd think it might be signal strength related |
| [19:34:00] | fourcheeze: | hmm |
| [19:34:00] | fourcheeze: | also it reports: |
| [19:34:00] | fourcheeze: | status 1f | signal c6c6 | snr fefe | ber 000000f0 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [19:34:00] | fourcheeze: | I've not idea what most of that means |
| [19:35:00] | fourcheeze: | guess I need a linuxtv channel |
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| [19:35:00] | flithm: | http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /000029.html |
| [19:35:00] | flithm: | guy mentions signal boosters |
| [19:36:00] | flithm: | http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /000032.html |
| [19:36:00] | fourcheeze: | yeah |
| [19:37:00] | fourcheeze: | I think it must just be generally a not very good signal |
| [19:37:00] | fourcheeze: | good enough to find the channels but not to be reliable |
| [19:37:00] | fourcheeze: | ordinary TV here is not great either |
| [19:37:00] | fourcheeze: | not the worst I've seen |
| [19:37:00] | fourcheeze: | but not that good either |
| [19:38:00] | fourcheeze: | alternatively I suppose I need to find someone with the same card and find out what their signal is |
| [19:39:00] | flithm: | what country you in? |
| [19:40:00] | flithm: | got any splitters on the line? |
| [19:41:00] | fourcheeze: | in the UK |
| [19:41:00] | fourcheeze: | feed goes to this myth box and then on the regular digibox |
| [19:41:00] | flithm: | hrmf |
| [19:42:00] | fourcheeze: | on the regular digibox I get very occasionally a glitch but never loss of sound |
| [19:42:00] | fourcheeze: | I'm guessing that it's more sensitive than the card |
| [19:42:00] | fourcheeze: | splitter is on the back of this box |
| [19:43:00] | flithm: | just for fun you might try taking the splitter out... if it is signal loss you should see some improvement |
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| [19:46:00] | fourcheeze: | flithm: yeah I might try that |
| [19:46:00] | fourcheeze: | the thing is that the problem isn't always there |
| [19:46:00] | fourcheeze: | another reason that I think it might be a signal issue |
| [19:46:00] | fourcheeze: | sometimes it's not a problem for several days |
| [19:47:00] | flithm: | yeah it must be signal strength, can't see what else it would be |
| [19:47:00] | fourcheeze: | can mythtv report the signal strength of a dvb connection? |
| [19:54:00] | Cardoe: | yes |
| [19:55:00] | fourcheeze: | Cardoe: how? |
| [19:59:00] | Cardoe: | it might only be in SVN |
| [19:59:00] | Cardoe: | but I know there was a patch for it discussed on the mailing list |
| [19:59:00] | Cardoe: | I don't have any DVB stuff |
| [20:04:00] | fourcheeze: | ok |
| [20:04:00] | fourcheeze: | on a separate issue is it possible o use mythtv as a launcher for other applications? |
| [20:04:00] | fourcheeze: | it would seem like a trivial thing to sdo |
| [20:04:00] | fourcheeze: | do |
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| [20:07:00] | fourcheeze: | currently I run mythtv fullscreen but with metacity and an xterm behind it so I can launch things |
| [20:07:00] | fourcheeze: | it would be cool if they could be launched from within myth |
| [20:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | They can |
| [20:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | just edit the theme and add menu items |
| [20:12:00] | fourcheeze: | ahhh |
| [20:12:00] | fourcheeze: | cool |
| [20:12:00] | fourcheeze: | I'm hoping editing the theme is just a case of editing the right text file |
| [20:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | it ide |
| [20:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | is |
| [20:13:00] | fourcheeze: | is there a way to do this that won't break the next time I update? |
| [20:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | not really |
| [20:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | just save a copy of your changes somewhere |
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| [20:46:00] | Wonker: | So, quick question: If I just want to wipe out all my recorded programs (note the actual files are unavailable), but want to make sure that all of those can be re-recorded. |
| [20:46:00] | Wonker: | Is just emptying the 'recorded' table gonna do it for me? Or is the fact they have been recorded elsewhere (blocking further recording) |
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| [20:47:00] | Chutt: | recorded and a few other associated tables |
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| [20:49:00] | Wonker: | mmm |
| [20:50:00] | Wonker: | so not quite straight forward then |
| [20:50:00] | Wonker: | core problem is right now I can't delete them at all, 'cause myth woofs if it can't find the .nuv file and refuses to update the DB |
| [20:51:00] | Wonker: | so even a painstaking one-by-one delete isn't going to work |
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| [20:55:00] | Beirdo: | Wonker: touch the .nuv file |
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| [20:55:00] | Beirdo: | creates a 0 byte file |
| [20:55:00] | Beirdo: | then use myth to delete |
| [20:55:00] | Wonker: | I have a couple hundred to do |
| [20:55:00] | Beirdo: | fun |
| [20:55:00] | Chutt: | automate it :p |
| [20:55:00] | Wonker: | but I guess it would be easy enough with alittle SQL.. |
| [20:55:00] | Beirdo: | should be |
| [20:55:00] | Chutt: | you can generate the list of filenames pretty easily with sql |
| [20:56:00] | Wonker: | wierd failure involving LVM and something in my system which no longer allows PV's on unpartitioned drives |
| [20:56:00] | Wonker: | wiped out a coupla hundred gigs and some change |
| [20:56:00] | Wonker: | sigh |
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| [20:56:00] | Beirdo: | fun stuff |
| [20:57:00] | Wonker: | I think the touch scheme is the best, thanks Beirdo |
| [20:57:00] | Beirdo: | if you can stand doing em one at a time, it works well |
| [20:57:00] | Wonker: | It is brain-dead work; good after a couple of drinks late at night... |
| [20:59:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [21:12:00] | icedutah: | What would you recommmend for tv out on my standard 32" 4:3 TV? The output of a PVR-350 or the output of the Nvidia MX400? |
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| [21:15:00] | kormoc: | icedutah, if you already own a 350, you might as well use it imho. |
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| [21:16:00] | icedutah: | I don't have one. But might get either another PVR-250 and go with the Nvidia card for video or get a PVR-350 and dump the Nvidia. |
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| [21:17:00] | Darby_: | using the 350 will lower your processor usage. quite a bit |
| [21:18:00] | Darby_: | the quality is great IMHO, but I don't have anything besides plain TV to compare it against |
| [21:18:00] | icedutah: | If it lowers the cpu usage then that sounds like the plan. |
| [21:19:00] | Chutt: | if you ever plan to upgrade to an hdtv, don't buy a 350. |
| [21:19:00] | Darby_: | it has a hardware mpeg decoder.... maybe some of the nvidia cards do as wel, but I don't know |
| [21:19:00] | icedutah: | I don't plan on HDTV for a while. |
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| [22:00:00] | Goose-Npa: | does anyone here arechive to dvd? |
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| [22:07:00] | xris: | Goose-Npa: bunch of people do (I'm not one of them, though) |
| [22:07:00] | Goose-Npa: | you just delete your recordings? |
| [22:07:00] | xris: | no, I archive avi's to dvd |
| [22:08:00] | xris: | far better compression |
| [22:08:00] | Goose-Npa: | avi in what format? |
| [22:08:00] | xris: | xvid |
| [22:08:00] | Goose-Npa: | oh |
| [22:08:00] | Goose-Npa: | yea i was gonna do that but you can play back on dvd player |
| [22:08:00] | xris: | can on some |
| [22:08:00] | xris: | but personally I just watch it all on the mythbox. |
| [22:09:00] | Goose-Npa: | what you use to concert to xvid? |
| [22:09:00] | xris: | nuvexport |
| [22:09:00] | Goose-Npa: | oh |
| [22:09:00] | Goose-Npa: | i coudln't get that to work |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | odd |
| [22:10:00] | Goose-Npa: | guess i'll just be using avidemux |
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| [22:10:00] | xris: | works perfectly for me (granted, I wrote it) |
| [22:10:00] | Goose-Npa: | heh |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | what didn't work about it? |
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| [22:10:00] | Goose-Npa: | well i doubt its the programs fault |
| [22:10:00] | Goose-Npa: | when i run it everything is disabled |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | select one of the disabled options, it'll tell you why. |
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| [22:11:00] | Goose-Npa: | yea |
| [22:11:00] | Goose-Npa: | it does |
| [22:11:00] | Goose-Npa: | said i didn't have mpeg2video |
| [22:11:00] | Goose-Npa: | but i have mjpegtools installed |
| [22:11:00] | hadees: | xris, you wrote it? For some reason i thought Berdio did |
| [22:11:00] | xris: | hadees: Beirdo wrote the mpeg2cut portions of it. |
| [22:11:00] | xris: | Goose-Npa: but if you have the raw-distro format, they've likely remove the mpeg encoding stuff to be gpl compatible |
| [22:11:00] | Beirdo: | and a couple of the exporters, but xris did most of it :) |
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| [22:12:00] | Goose-Npa: | so where do i obtain all the proper dependencies i need |
| [22:12:00] | xris: | what distro are you using? |
| [22:12:00] | Goose-Npa: | slackwaer |
| [22:12:00] | xris: | no clue |
| [22:12:00] | xris: | when I used slackware, I compiled everything on my own |
| [22:12:00] | hadees: | has anyone had a problem with the frontend crashing after watching a recording and trying to get back to the main menu, note not the recording menu |
| [22:13:00] | Goose-Npa: | no i mean waht packages do i need to get nuvexport to work correctly |
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| [22:13:00] | xris: | Goose-Npa: mjpegtools, transcode, ffmpeg |
| [22:13:00] | hadees: | its so weird, it doesn't happen after live tv |
| [22:14:00] | xris: | oh, and mplayer |
| [22:14:00] | hadees: | driving me crazy |
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| [22:14:00] | xris: | hadees: no clue, sorry |
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| [22:14:00] | xris: | had something like that for awhile with the LxM midnight theme because of a bug in the theme, but it was freezing, not crashing. |
| [22:14:00] | Goose-Npa: | and are there any packages that i need for ffmpeg to work right? |
| [22:14:00] | hadees: | xris, you know i have that theme, i wonder if that is it |
| [22:14:00] | steveb: | hi guys. i just installed mythtv and when the setup starts it seems to have an error creating all the tables in the database. is there a database schema sql file anywhere? |
| [22:14:00] | xris: | Goose-Npa: needs to be compiled with support for the exporters you want to use (same goes for transcode and mjpeg). |
| [22:15:00] | xris: | personally, I think transcode produces slightly better quality output than ffmpeg does. |
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| [22:15:00] | xris: | steveb: you need to create the db first. mythtv will create the tables. |
| [22:15:00] | Goose-Npa: | so ffmpeg isnt' required? |
| [22:15:00] | Goose-Npa: | i could just use transcode? |
| [22:15:00] | xris: | Goose-Npa: --transcode or --ffmpeg (ffmpeg default) |
| [22:15:00] | Goose-Npa: | ahh |
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| [22:15:00] | xris: | should all be covered in the nuvexportrc file |
| [22:16:00] | steveb: | xris: i did make the db. some tables were created, some wernt for some reason |
| [22:16:00] | hadees: | xris, you use lxm too? do you know what happend to them? their site is up but it like no one is doing anything |
| [22:17:00] | xris: | steveb: wipe it and start over? |
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| [22:17:00] | xris: | hadees: free acct for devs. :) but yeah, no clue what's been happening. |
| [22:17:00] | steveb: | xris: tried. same thing each time |
| [22:17:00] | xris: | steveb: what version of myth? |
| [22:17:00] | steveb: | thats why im after a db dump sql file ;) |
| [22:17:00] | steveb: | xris: latest release |
| [22:17:00] | xris: | .18.1, then? |
| [22:17:00] | Goose-Npa: | xris: alright i just tried nuvexport with transcode and i got further cause none of the stuff was disabled but i get this error |
| [22:17:00] | Goose-Npa: | Transcode had critical errors: |
| [22:17:00] | Goose-Npa: | [transcode] critical: plug-in initialization failed |
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| [22:18:00] | xris: | Goose-Npa: you need to compile exporter support into transcode.. just compiling transcode doesn't guarantee that you get xvid or divx or whatever. |
| [22:18:00] | steveb: | xris: yep |
| [22:18:00] | Goose-Npa: | xris; but i was just doing export to dvd |
| [22:19:00] | xris: | Goose-Npa: then --enable-mpeg2 or whatever it is. mpeg support is OFF in distro-provided packages because it's not compatible with the GPL. |
| [22:19:00] | Goose-Npa: | ok |
| [22:19:00] | Goose-Npa: | so just recompile transcode and make sure i enable everything |
| [22:19:00] | xris: | hopefully, yes |
| [22:19:00] | xris: | btw, ffmpeg is definitely faster for mpeg encoding than transcode. dunno about quality. |
| [22:20:00] | xris: | steveb: I don't think there's anything like that anymore now that the auto-updater is there. never heard of issues like yours, though |
| [22:20:00] | Goose-Npa: | xris: oh, which do you use? |
| [22:20:00] | xris: | transcode + xvid + multipass (the rest are the defaults I left in the nuvexportrc file) |
| [22:21:00] | Goose-Npa: | cool bout how long does it take for say a 30 minute show |
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| [22:22:00] | xris: | 3–4 hours on my 2.4G p4 |
| [22:22:00] | xris: | at 720x480 -> 624x464 |
| [22:22:00] | steveb: | xris: here is the db error mythsetup gives: Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes |
| [22:23:00] | Goose-Npa: | xris: interesting thats a long time heh |
| [22:23:00] | Goose-Npa: | is the encoding niced not to use much cpu or something? |
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| [22:23:00] | xris: | steveb: which mysql version? |
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| [22:24:00] | xris: | Goose-Npa: nice 19, but it's just slow |
| [22:24:00] | xris: | denoise is slow, etc. |
| [22:24:00] | steveb: | xris: 4.1.14 |
| [22:25:00] | Goose-Npa: | xris: my pvr250 captures to mpeg2 couldn't I in theory just burn those to dvd? |
| [22:27:00] | xris: | Goose-Npa: ivtv produces sometimes-corrupt files that cause sync issues on many hardware dvd players. |
| [22:27:00] | Goose-Npa: | oh |
| [22:27:00] | Goose-Npa: | so exporting to some format is usually necessary |
| [22:27:00] | Goose-Npa: | gotcha |
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| [22:30:00] | Goose-Npa: | lookin at the ./configure --help of transocde doesn't seem to have a xvid enable flag |
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| [22:31:00] | Goose-Npa: | i stand corrected |
| [22:36:00] | mmurphy: | mchou: you around ? |
| [22:37:00] | mmurphy: | or for that matter anyone with a 350/250 and a 150? |
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| [22:42:00] | mmurphy: | anyone? |
| [22:43:00] | hadees: | mmurphy, me |
| [22:43:00] | hadees: | i have a 250 and a 150 mce |
| [22:43:00] | hadees: | well two 150 mce |
| [22:44:00] | mmurphy: | hadees: how did u fix the 150 higher volume issue? |
| [22:44:00] | mmurphy: | my 150 is alot louder then the 350 |
| [22:44:00] | hadees: | hmm, i never really noticed that if there is one |
| [22:44:00] | hadees: | TV shows always are at diffrent volumes |
| [22:45:00] | hadees: | it couldn't be that big a diffrence otherwise i think i would have noticed it |
| [22:45:00] | mmurphy: | ya its not the tv show mine is a huge difference |
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| [22:47:00] | icedutah: | Anyone have a changechannel script for controlling a Directv Hughes receiver? |
| [22:48:00] | Wonker: | while we are on the topic of mpeg2 & DVDs.... |
| [22:48:00] | Wonker: | I have been using mpeg2desc and mplex to generate multiplexed MPEG2's that are good for other apps |
| [22:48:00] | mmurphy: | thanks anyways hadees ... |
| [22:49:00] | mmurphy: | anyone else know of this issue>? |
| [22:49:00] | Wonker: | anyone know a simple way to use the cut list using this method? Don't want to transcode ... |
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| [22:54:00] | editmachine: | is anyone else having a problem getting to mysettopbox.tv |
| [22:55:00] | Juski: | seems to be down, editmachine |
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| [22:56:00] | editmachine: | thanks thought so just checking |
| [22:56:00] | editmachine: | anyone know where any mirrors for knopmyth |
| [22:57:00] | Juski: | http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html – that works |
| [22:58:00] | Led-Hed: | anyone here using software RAID? |
| [22:58:00] | icedutah: | yes |
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| [23:00:00] | mmurphy: | no one else witha pvr350/250 and a 150 ?? |
| [23:00:00] | Juski: | mmurphy.. there's apparently an AGC on the PVR150 |
| [23:01:00] | Juski: | and as somebody mentioned last night there's an ivctl command to allow you to change the gain of the 150's audio input |
| [23:02:00] | mmurphy: | yes i've tried that .. |
| [23:02:00] | mmurphy: | but i read the user lists today and that setting seems to not stick |
| [23:03:00] | mmurphy: | there was a patch/diff floating around ... so i wanted to see if anyone have the same issue here>? |
| [23:03:00] | mmurphy: | change the gain? |
| [23:03:00] | Juski: | when you say it doesn't stick.. you mean it loses it when you reboot, or does it just 'forget' |
| [23:04:00] | mmurphy: | no i read that it doesn't stick when mythtv switches between cards |
| [23:04:00] | Juski: | I thought it'd be more of a per-card kind of setting |
| [23:05:00] | mmurphy: | ya i don't know ... hense me looking for someone with the same issue |
| [23:05:00] | mmurphy: | more testing tonight thought' |
| [23:05:00] | Juski: | I'd love broadcasters here to do something about sound levels in general... I don't tend to auto-skip adverts.. so when the commercials come on I get my ears blasted |
| [23:06:00] | Juski: | gotta be quick with the FF button |
| [23:06:00] | mmurphy: | what did you mean by gain .. the volume? |
| [23:06:00] | Led-Hed: | mmurphy, I have a PVR-250 & 350 |
| [23:06:00] | mmurphy: | Led-Hed: thanks but my issue is with a 350 and a 150 |
| [23:06:00] | Juski: | gain – volume.. yeah |
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| [23:27:00] | JayRCz: | Mythtv is not usint the external changer /usr/local/bin/channel. The command works from the command line. I've googled this and found that I need to change the Frequency ID, but I'm not sure where I need to go to do this or what I need to change it to. Can someone point me in the right direction please? |
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| [23:30:00] | laga: | JayRCz: hey |
| [23:30:00] | JayRCz: | yes |
| [23:31:00] | laga: | JayRCz: well. i believe that mythtv passes the frequency id to the program you've specified as the external channel changer. in mythtv-setup, go to the last entry in the main menu. there, you can set the frequency id to whatever your external changer needs. |
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| [23:33:00] | JayRCz: | ok, I don't mean to sound like a complete idiot, but how can I find out what frequency my motorola dct needs? |
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| [23:35:00] | laga: | JayRCz: well, i don't know. maybe you need the channel number as it is defined on the set top box? |
| [23:35:00] | laga: | sorry, i'm in europe and i don't get to play with those things |
| [23:35:00] | Goose-Npa: | anyone using nuvexport with transcode |
| [23:35:00] | Goose-Npa: | [transcode] critical: plug-in initialization failed |
| [23:38:00] | JayRCz: | yeah, that's what I think, but the only thing I see in mythtv-setup is frequency table and it's like a dropdown list. I can type anything in it. |
| [23:39:00] | laga: | JayRCz: go to the channel setup. |
| [23:42:00] | mmurphy: | wdoes anyone know when mythtv read the volume from a pvr card |
| [23:42:00] | mmurphy: | on load of the frontend? |
| [23:43:00] | mmurphy: | set via ivtvctl |
| [23:44:00] | JayRCz: | I don't see channel setup. I see General, Capture Cards, Video Sources, Input and Channel Editor. I looke in channel editor, but didn't find anything about frequencies and the "advanced" button is greyed out. |
| [23:46:00] | mmurphy: | Juski: mythtv is setting the volue back to 58000 so the ivtvctl thing is unless as is |
| [23:46:00] | mmurphy: | probably seeting it back to 90% of 65535 |
| [23:49:00] | Juski: | ack... oh well, so much for that idea |
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| [23:50:00] | mmurphy: | ya a few patches flowting around but not much else |
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| [23:52:00] | mmurphy: | awe well |
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| [23:55:00] | Juski: | mmurphy.. sometimes you have to be the only one having a problem |
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