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Sunday, October 9th, 2005, 00:03 UTC
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[00:05:00] SplasPood: Has anyone dealt with the libqt3c102-mt dependency issue /w mythtv under debian unstable?
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[00:07:00] rama: SplasPood, it sounds very much to me.. I should remember
[00:07:00] rama: sarge or sid?
[00:08:00] SplasPood: sid
[00:08:00] SplasPood: assuming unstable still maps to that..
[00:09:00] SplasPood: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[00:09:00] SplasPood: mythvideo: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but it is not installable
[00:09:00] SplasPood: E: Broken packages
[00:11:00] Ryushin: I'm running sid and I'm not having any problems.
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[00:12:00] Ryushin: You probably want to install libqt3-mt
[00:13:00] SplasPood: it is installed, problem is the mythtv debs depend on the old name..
[00:14:00] Ryushin: Oh, are you trying to install the deb packages?
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[00:16:00] rama: SplasPood, did you do an dist-upgrade lately?
[00:17:00] Ryushin: I recompiled the sdebs to make everything happy. Make sure you do a apt-get build-dep mythtv to make sure you have all the packages you'll need to compile.
[00:17:00] rage__: is there a way to tune to channels that don't have video to them like? like music tv channels? whenever I try to tune to a channel without a video track it says the channel is off-air
[00:17:00] SplasPood: yep... Been waiting for them to fix it, so I've been updating quite often (just a min ago)
[00:17:00] rama: i don't remember quite well about sid, as I opted to setup mythtv on a Sarge, so I had different problems and had to make the .deb packages myself
[00:17:00] rama: jeje
[00:17:00] Ryushin: I had problems with the deb packages as well. You'll need to recompile.
[00:18:00] SplasPood: build-dep doesn't wanna work
[00:18:00] SplasPood: it worked fine till I did a recent dist-upgrade
[00:18:00] Ryushin: Because of a couple of bugs in 18.1, I've now gone to svn. At least trying to.
[00:18:00] SplasPood: about.. a week or 1.5 weeks ago
[00:19:00] Ryushin: I don't know if I can help you there. But compilings the deb packages is what you're going to need to do.
[00:19:00] SplasPood: I think there was some way to create a dummy package which provided libqt3c102-mt but was actually a pointer to libqt3-mt
[00:20:00] rama: SplasPood, yep, I never did that, but guess should work
[00:20:00] SplasPood: any idea how? :)
[00:21:00] rama: i was apt-cache searching, but nothing yet
[00:21:00] rama: googling?
[00:21:00] rama: "create dummy package debian"
[00:21:00] rama: or alike
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[00:27:00] SplasPood: rama: actually, I got myth working just now, mythvideo is still not installable, but at least I can watch TV
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[00:44:00] Ryushin: Anyone around who knows that changed recently in svn that make previous recordings unwatchable?
[00:45:00] SqWaw: can anyone help me? my myth claims to be commercial flagging, but when i press Z it doesn't skip commercials
[00:46:00] SqWaw: it just says "not flagged"
[00:46:00] Ryushin: I have my commercial flagging using the "all" method. You might also want to run mythcomflag --all
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[00:47:00] SqWaw: I did
[00:48:00] atomjack: anyone running the latest head notice all of a sudden the video gallery takes enormous amounts of time to load (like 4 or 5 minutes)?
[00:48:00] SqWaw: How do you always make it use the ALL method?
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[00:53:00] riddlebox: has anyone ever ran into mythv not changing channels, it shows the next channel up in the screen but the same show is on no matter what
[00:54:00] atomjack: ah great i'm getting the problem with myth not wanting to open my (tv) recordings since upgrading. GRR
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[01:01:00] pembo13: can anyone here suggest a link or links on setup of tv cards in linux?
[01:04:00] riddlebox: pembo13:it depends on which card you have
[01:05:00] riddlebox: I have a pvr500 which I can give you two sites which will allow you to get it working right away
[01:05:00] pembo13: let me ensure i get the name right
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[01:06:00] pembo13: I have a WinTv Radio 37xxx based
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[01:09:00] Ryushin: sqwaw: It's in the utilities/setup somewhere.
[01:10:00] Ryushin: atomjack: You too.
[01:10:00] SqWaw: Wow lol
[01:10:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: I have an ATI tv wonder. When I go into setup and choose the device, where can I get info on which to choose for it ?
[01:10:00] SqWaw: wasn't expecting an answer, but i got it :)
[01:10:00] atomjack: yep
[01:10:00] Ryushin: atomjack: Are you using svn?
[01:10:00] atomjack: yep
[01:10:00] atomjack: im looking at the source, it looks like the ringbuffer is not being passed the filename, just the path
[01:11:00] Ryushin: I just upgraded from 18.1 to svn.
[01:11:00] atomjack: do you use mythvideo?
[01:11:00] Ryushin: atomjack: Really, goes that's what it's showing in the log.
[01:11:00] Ryushin: Not yet, that was next on my list.
[01:12:00] Ryushin: Today I wanted to complete the update to svn, but the previous recordings are not showing up. So, I'm at a bit of a loss.
[01:12:00] atomjack: oh hmm, my previous recordings are showing up, i just can't play them
[01:12:00] bryce_: I've got mythtv set up and working, but while watching live tv it's jittery every once and a while, pausing and skipping. I've got this running on some SATA drives – could that be the problem?
[01:12:00] atomjack: i'm trying to figure out if i can fix it (i'm not really familiar witht he source so i'm just stumbling around)
[01:13:00] Ryushin: bryce_: hd or normal tv?
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[01:13:00] bryce_: normal
[01:13:00] bryce_: with a hauppauge pvr250
[01:13:00] atomjack: hmm, check your cpu usage?
[01:13:00] atomjack: (with top)
[01:14:00] atomjack: ryushin:do me a favor and check the video gallery – tell me if it takes an enormous amount of time to load or not
[01:14:00] bryce_: cpu load is <1
[01:15:00] bryce_: average around 0.6
[01:15:00] Ryushin: Probably is, that I haven't gotten the mythplugins to compile yet.
[01:15:00] Ryushin: I keep getting a mythconfig.mak problem during make.
[01:15:00] atomjack: ok
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[01:16:00] atomjack: during make or configure?
[01:16:00] Ryushin: make
[01:16:00] Ryushin: configure is happy.
[01:16:00] atomjack: hmm
[01:16:00] Ryushin: I'm thinking about going back to 18.1 until I have more time to figure this out.
[01:17:00] atomjack: ah
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[01:19:00] Ryushin: Yep, 18.1 still works fine.
[01:19:00] Ryushin: At least all my recordings still work.
[01:20:00] Ryushin: I have to go make some chicken wings for supper. I'm going to lurk awhile. If you find out what the problem is, please let me know.
[01:21:00] atomjack: cool
[01:21:00] atomjack: yeah i will
[01:22:00] Ryushin: I think I'm going to make about 50 wings. Got the wife picking up some excellent ranch. Mmmm....
[01:22:00] atomjack: nice
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[01:45:00] xris: hmm, wonder why nuvexport has so much trouble with HD streams
[01:50:00] SqWaw: http://pastebin.ca/24990
[01:50:00] SqWaw: Help :(
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[01:56:00] briand: SqWaw: umm... what did you do to produce THAT error?
[01:57:00] briand: it looks like MySQL had trouble opening the index file for the recordedmarkup table
[02:00:00] Vantage__: is there a pvr-150 low profile with full size bracket?
[02:00:00] awstott: I can't get the front end to connect to the backend :( for some reason, even tho they're running on the same box
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[02:07:00] atomjack: check the log file?
[02:08:00] awstott: where is the log?
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[02:08:00] awstott: /var/lib/mythtv
[02:08:00] awstott: ?
[02:09:00] jonK: oddly enough, logs are often found in /var/log
[02:09:00] ** atomjack /var/log/mythtv/ **
[02:09:00] atomjack: /var/log/mythtv
[02:09:00] atomjack: filenames are mythfrontend.log and mythbackend.log
[02:09:00] ** awstott isn't too familiar with linux yet :P **
[02:09:00] xris: SqWaw: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ze_mythdb.pl
[02:09:00] SqWaw: eh?
[02:09:00] jonK: i dont think mythfrontend logs unless you tell it to
[02:10:00] awstott: just have a backend log
[02:10:00] awstott: No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.
[02:10:00] awstott: Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page
[02:10:00] awstott: of the general settings.
[02:10:00] awstott: you can't just leave it at localhost?
[02:11:00] jonK: you may have to modify the mysql.cnf file
[02:11:00] atomjack: guess not, did you runmythsetup?
[02:11:00] jonK: yes you can leave it at localhost for a combined front/backend
[02:11:00] awstott: wonder why it isn't working then
[02:12:00] jonK: have you set mysql to be visible to localhost connections
[02:13:00] awstott: I followed abarbaccia_'s guide to setting it up on ubuntu
[02:13:00] jonK: which means you did what?
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[02:14:00] awstott: if mythtv is my user does it need access to admin the database?
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[02:15:00] jonK: before going down the path im going down, let me make sure, you did run mythtv-setup
[02:15:00] jonK: ?
[02:17:00] jonK: awstott?
[02:18:00] rage__: gj, you killed him
[02:18:00] jonK: I'm going to miss him soooo much
[02:18:00] rage__: I wish I could tune to channels without a video feed (radio channels broadcast as tv channels)
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[02:19:00] rage__: my backend tells me they're off-air :(
[02:19:00] awstott: lol
[02:19:00] jonK: well?
[02:19:00] awstott: I looked at the data base with phpmyadmin and it says host localhost
[02:19:00] jonK: that's still not the issue
[02:19:00] jonK: first, did you run mythtv-setup
[02:20:00] awstott: yah I remeber running that
[02:20:00] jonK: ok, do you know how to edit a file?
[02:20:00] awstott: yah
[02:20:00] jonK: open up /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[02:20:00] jonK: you'll need to be root
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[02:21:00] jonK: can you do this and respond?
[02:21:00] jonK: at the same time?
[02:21:00] awstott: yah I've got an ssh connection open
[02:21:00] jonK: ok
[02:22:00] jonK: have the file open?
[02:22:00] awstott: yup
[02:22:00] jonK: look for a line that includees "skip-networking"
[02:22:00] awstott: k found it
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[02:24:00] jonK: add a "#" in front of this line
[02:24:00] jonK_: exit
[02:24:00] awstott: k
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[02:24:00] awstott: k now what?
[02:24:00] jonK: save the file
[02:24:00] awstott: yah did that
[02:25:00] jonK: and restart teh mysql server, do you know how?
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[02:25:00] awstott: hmm
[02:25:00] awstott: let me see
[02:25:00] jonK: there should be an init script in /etc/init.d/
[02:26:00] jonK: just run /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[02:26:00] jonK: again, as root
[02:26:00] awstott: yup
[02:26:00] awstott: got that
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[02:26:00] jonK: you should be good to go
[02:26:00] ** awstott switches over there to see **
[02:27:00] awstott: still get can't connect
[02:28:00] smartel: I am recording TV with Mythtv using a PVR-250 card. Is there a way I can cut commercials, without converting my recording to something else than MPEG2 ? (Easier to make DVDs afterward...)
[02:29:00] atomjack: smartel:hdtv2mpeg might be able to cut up regular non-hd mpg's
[02:29:00] atomjack: or is it hdtv2mpg
[02:30:00] toresbe: wheeeeee.
[02:30:00] toresbe: It's been a good day.
[02:30:00] toresbe: I got a second tuner for free (which does radio nicely)
[02:30:00] dkowis: anyone remember where the ir stuff is in the kernel?
[02:30:00] dkowis: anyone remember where the ir stuff is in the kernel?
[02:30:00] dkowis: whoops
[02:30:00] dkowis: sorry
[02:30:00] toresbe: and some patches seem to have arrived for my second card
[02:31:00] SqWaw: !seen cardoe
[02:31:00] rage__: how'd you get one for free toresbe?
[02:31:00] jonK: and did you set permissions for mysql user?
[02:31:00] jonK: cant even connect?
[02:31:00] toresbe: rage__: my maw found out she didn't want hers
[02:31:00] toresbe: it's a bt card, so I am lucky.
[02:32:00] dkowis: toresbe: software?
[02:32:00] smartel: atomjack: You are sure Myth itself can't do it ? I record in MPEG2 and only want to cut commercials without converting to something else...
[02:32:00] awstott: mythtv user has perms to select, insert, update, and delete data can create, alter, index, drop, and create temporary tables, can lock tables, and references
[02:32:00] awstott: according to phpmyadmin
[02:35:00] xris: SqWaw: cron that file to run daily.. and run it once. it should repair your database for you.
[02:35:00] toresbe: dkowis: software as in software card, or software patches?
[02:35:00] dkowis: toresbe: software card :)
[02:36:00] toresbe: dkowis: It's pretty much as bare as it gets, but wahey
[02:36:00] dkowis: software encoder I mean
[02:36:00] toresbe: two tuners
[02:36:00] toresbe: I feel so leet. ;)
[02:36:00] dkowis: :D
[02:36:00] dkowis: learn to spell, it's l33t
[02:36:00] dkowis: :)
[02:36:00] toresbe: Naw, man, it's a regional thing :)
[02:36:00] dkowis: after I get paid a few more times, I'd like to get myself some of those 500's that have dual hardware tuners in em
[02:36:00] SqWaw: xir: yea ran already
[02:37:00] toresbe: You say potatoe, I say potahto, you say l33t, I say leet :P
[02:37:00] SqWaw: xris, im doing mythcommflag again to see if it happends again
[02:37:00] dkowis: toresbe: I say ptoato!
[02:37:00] dkowis: including the lysdexia
[02:37:00] toresbe: good for you... that does sound rather distant from "leet"
[02:38:00] toresbe: That's more a different language than a dialect
[02:38:00] dkowis: perhaps :)
[02:38:00] toresbe: But me and my girlfriend nEEEED slepe
[02:38:00] NightBird: hey, how do you renew an ip address in linux?
[02:38:00] toresbe: 2:30 am and I've been working all day
[02:38:00] toresbe: except for the parts where I wasn't
[02:38:00] toresbe: which was most of the day, really... but I'm still tired
[02:38:00] dkowis: NightBird: through dhcp or statically assigned?
[02:38:00] toresbe: night all!
[02:38:00] NightBird: dhcp
[02:38:00] dkowis: toresbe: gnite
[02:38:00] dkowis: dhcpcd interface
[02:38:00] dkowis: for example eth0: dhcpcd eth0
[02:39:00] NightBird: command not found
[02:41:00] Juski: jees the imdb is slooow at the moment
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[02:42:00] SqWaw: dk: gentoo?
[02:42:00] SqWaw: dkowis, gentoo?
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[02:47:00] dkowis: SqWaw: nope Source Mage :)
[02:48:00] dkowis: bbiab there might be dinner :)
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[02:53:00] delta___: Hi! I am desperately looking for german MythTV users that recorded "Freitag Nacht News" of 2005-10–07 or today. Please write me at spamdropbox@gmx.met
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[02:59:00] Juski: hey no sharing of shows here
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[03:04:00] hadees: you know what would be nice, is if the live buffer if filled for a channel stayed around after you changed channles, i know there would be a gap if you changed back but i was just watching something in a buffer and accidently changed the channel and lost 20 mins
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[03:05:00] hadees: mabey it could use another tuner if free so there wouldn't be a gap
[03:08:00] SqWaw: thats a good feature actually, like you'd press a button and it would keep recording for a minute or two so you could channel surf but not miss what your watching
[03:12:00] Juski: keep an eye open for version 0.19 then ;)
[03:13:00] Juski: all change for live tv :) (maybe)
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[03:13:00] Juski: nobody make any promise and nobody will be disappointed
[03:13:00] hadees: Juski, huh>
[03:13:00] hadees: ?
[03:13:00] Juski: do people not read the dev mailing list to keep abreast of upcoming stuff?
[03:14:00] hadees: not anymore, i did it for a while when i used to use cvs
[03:14:00] Juski: well – sufficient to say that livetv is undergoing a lot of work
[03:15:00] Juski: despite the fact it should be deprecated IMHO lol
[03:15:00] hadees: Juski, what? why?
[03:15:00] Juski: you've got a PVR.. surely no need to channel hop anymore
[03:16:00] hadees: Juski, well one thing i have ran into using a PVR for a while is that you miss new shows
[03:16:00] Juski: hadees – pop over to cvs.mythtv.org and look at the tickets
[03:16:00] hadees: i never see the commercials for them
[03:17:00] hadees: i thought they used svn now
[03:17:00] Juski: the url still says cvs
[03:17:00] Juski: ahhh never thought of that aspect..
[03:18:00] Juski: I read newspapers a lot tho – get to hear about new shows that way
[03:18:00] ** Juski wonders whatever happened to mythbayes **
[03:19:00] hadees: mythbayes? i never heard that one
[03:19:00] Juski: (it made suggestions on what to record according to what you've already recorded)
[03:19:00] hadees: mythsuggest
[03:19:00] hadees: is sort of out
[03:19:00] hadees: it doesn't do anything useful though
[03:19:00] Juski: http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/mythtv/mythbayes/
[03:19:00] hadees: there was another one the guy took sample data and never did anything
[03:21:00] Juski: the impression I get is that big changes for livetv are on their way, possibly doing away with the ringbuffer altogether... lots to do there and lots of possibilities
[03:22:00] hadees: getting rid of the buffer?
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[03:22:00] defaultro: are there any new feature in mythtv?
[03:22:00] defaultro: hi hadees
[03:22:00] hadees: hello
[03:22:00] Juski: no just changing the way bufferring works (I say JUST.. there's a lot more to it than that)
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[03:23:00] defaultro: k
[03:23:00] defaultro: so better buffering approach you mean?
[03:23:00] Juski: every release brings great new features anyway :)
[03:23:00] Juski: nothing set in stone yet
[03:23:00] defaultro: ok
[03:23:00] defaultro: i haven't updated my svn trunk for 3 months now
[03:23:00] defaultro: I don't know what I am missing :)
[03:24:00] Juski: you'd be missing DVB falling over a lot.. but I hear that's getting better
[03:24:00] defaultro: the only think i hate is my fc3 not able to login root automatically. I've tried many ways, but still doenst
[03:25:00] hadees: defaultro, why are you login in automatically as root
[03:26:00] Juski: thats probably a security 'feature'
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[03:26:00] hadees: and not needed
[03:26:00] Juski: as in you **shouldn't**
[03:26:00] dkowis: ew
[03:26:00] hadees: a normal user should be able to do everything
[03:26:00] dkowis: or almost everything, and then there's sudo :)
[03:26:00] hadees: at the most you change mythfrontend to run as root even when run as a user
[03:26:00] Juski: just add your user to the wheel group and you can su
[03:27:00] dkowis: bbl goin to eet dinnar!
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[03:29:00] comcipher: Anybody have any idea why mplayer doesn't have any sound but recordings and live tv work fine?
[03:29:00] Chipdancer: anybody played with lirc and rmeotes under mythtv?
[03:30:00] comcipher: i'm in the process of configuring lirc as well (it's being quite a bitch)
[03:30:00] ** Chipdancer has a remote that's working up to the point where you can confirm it with irw... what else needs to be done to get it going iwth mythtv? **
[03:32:00] Juski: make a lircrc file, Chipdancer
[03:32:00] Chipdancer: juski: stole one from someone else and have installed it in my user account as ~/.lircrc
[03:32:00] Juski: comcipher.. you mean in mythvideo?
[03:33:00] comcipher: yes, mythvideo
[03:33:00] Chipdancer: do I need to put it instead into ~/.mythtv/lircrc?
[03:33:00] Juski: Chipdancer.. you need to put it in ~/.mythtv/
[03:33:00] Chipdancer: ahh, I see
[03:33:00] ** Chipdancer moves it and restarts mythtv **
[03:33:00] Juski: are these avi files, comcipher?
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[03:33:00] comcipher: yes they are, xvid avi files
[03:34:00] Juski: you might have ac3 passthru enabled.. which will be trying to output the audio thru a digital output of the soundcard
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[03:34:00] comcipher: Where would I go to see if that's what the problem is?
[03:35:00] Chipdancer: comcipher: it's still not responding.. is there any other configuration needing to be done before starting the frontend?
[03:36:00] comcipher: Chipdancer: I believe lirc works off of 2 files, lircrc and lircd ... Are both of those files in place?
[03:36:00] Chipdancer: yep
[03:36:00] Juski: utils/setup > setup > general
[03:36:00] comcipher: i'm not too sure as i'm still trying to get LIRC working correctly on my own system
[03:36:00] Chipdancer: drat
[03:36:00] Chipdancer: that message didn't come thorugh
[03:37:00] Juski: Chipdancer...
[03:37:00] Chipdancer: yes, /etc/lircd.conf is in place and irw gets me suitable messages -> "0001004600000af9 00 power DVICO"
[03:37:00] SuperValk`: I am getting a green screen when I go to watch tv, I figure it is b/c I don't have something configured for my card specifically.
[03:37:00] Juski: are the commands in your .lircrc the same as what irw outputs?
[03:37:00] Chipdancer: ahh, crap.. I need to make sure the names of ~/.mythtv/lircrc match up with those in /etc/lircd.conf, right?
[03:37:00] Juski: right!
[03:38:00] Chipdancer: sorry, feel pretty stupid right about now ;)
[03:38:00] Juski: the number keys should be right though ;)
[03:38:00] Juski: hey no problem
[03:38:00] comcipher: Juski: AC3 passthrough is not enabled on my system
[03:38:00] defaultro: Juski, what were you saying about DVB?
[03:38:00] Juski: DVB in svn is in pretty bad shape right now
[03:38:00] defaultro: oh ok
[03:39:00] Juski: but on its way to a full recovery
[03:39:00] defaultro: ok
[03:40:00] defaultro: glad my dvb driver is working pretty well
[03:40:00] defaultro: in what way it is in bad shape?
[03:40:00] Juski: what way would you like?
[03:40:00] Chipdancer: juski: just confirmed, "power" matches up in both.. but does not do "config = Key Escape CurrentWindow"
[03:40:00] defaultro: :)
[03:40:00] Juski: it 'kinda' works... put it this way I wouldn't roll it out into my living room just yet if I were you
[03:41:00] defaultro: k
[03:41:00] dkowis: could someone here help me debug lirc issues?
[03:41:00] defaultro: mythmusic somes kills my frontend
[03:41:00] Juski: hehe must be lirc night
[03:41:00] defaultro: i don't know why
[03:41:00] comcipher: Juski: Wow, strangest thing just happened. I didn't change a single setting, just looked to see if AC3 passthrough was enabled or not. now it plays with sound just fine.
[03:41:00] dkowis: :)
[03:41:00] dkowis: Juski: I cannot seem to get lirc_dev to modprobe
[03:41:00] Juski: empty playlists, defaultro? happenned to me once
[03:41:00] Chipdancer: juski: indeed :)
[03:41:00] dkowis: of course I might've just lost my internet connection too...
[03:42:00] Juski: which lirc device, dkowis?
[03:43:00] Juski: oh hell.. it's the wrong side of 2.30 in the A.M. for me
[03:43:00] Juski: I'd say read the docs over at www.lirc.org but I've seen them lol
[03:44:00] Juski: I gotta scoot
[03:44:00] Juski: night all.. good luck with your lirc issues folks :)
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[03:44:00] defaultro: Juski, no, I have playlists
[03:44:00] defaultro: i thought it was the spectrum
[03:44:00] defaultro: but it's set to none now
[03:44:00] defaultro: it only happens when i start mythmusic
[03:45:00] defaultro: it doesn't kills it once it starts playin music
[03:45:00] defaultro: it happens when mythmusic is displaed
[03:45:00] defaultro: displayed
[03:46:00] defaultro: but when i start mythfrontend again and start mythmusic, it goes ok
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[03:46:00] defaultro: it's really hard to tell when it's gonna kill the fronted
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[03:47:00] defaultro: or it's possible since music is random and when it gets to play a wma file
[03:47:00] defaultro: that's my guess only
[03:47:00] dkowis: juski_asleep: it was the hauppage on card ir device
[03:47:00] dkowis: I get this error: lirc_dev: Unknown symbol class_simple_device_add
[03:48:00] defaultro: i'm planning to build a remote frontend. Is it the same frontend that we see in an backend/frontend setup?
[03:48:00] defaultro: when I build the frontend, what are the configs that I need to configure?
[03:49:00] defaultro: and am I correct that I don't need a capture card on the remote fe right?
[03:51:00] defaultro: oh, before I forget, currently, my X is set at 1920x1080. What resolution should I set my X if I will be using a standard television?
[03:51:00] Chipdancer: defaultro: yes, it's all the same
[03:52:00] Chipdancer: I did a normal install onto a workstation of mythtv and am using just the frontend configured to talk to a remote backend.. it's all good
[03:52:00] Chipdancer: defaultro: standard tv will very much depend on your input signal, PAL/NTSC etc
[03:52:00] Chipdancer: you can always use a larger resolution such as 1080i as you have and just have the media player upscale the playback resolution
[03:53:00] defaultro: hmm
[03:53:00] defaultro: i mean, my 4 year old tv is a 29" panasonic. It's not HD. What resolution will it accept?
[03:54:00] Skaface: gah, standard feinition has an ac3 track but high definition is only stereo :(
[03:54:00] Skaface: definition even
[03:54:00] defaultro: Chipdancer, input will be NTSC
[03:54:00] Chipdancer: 720x480? that rings a bell
[03:55:00] defaultro: here is the situation
[03:55:00] defaultro: i have an existing backend/frontend machine that's connected to HDTV
[03:55:00] defaultro: output is via nvidia
[03:55:00] defaultro: x is at 1920x1080
[03:56:00] defaultro: so once I create a new FE for another room for my 29", i should set my x that will be accepted by my regular tv
[03:56:00] defaultro: that means, i should still be able to play the HD recorded program, right?
[03:56:00] defaultro: i just don't konw how it will look like
[03:57:00] defaultro: does the over/underscan variable for each FE?
[03:57:00] Skaface: hmm mine is set at 1108x625
[03:57:00] defaultro: what tv?
[03:57:00] Skaface: big high definition plasma
[03:57:00] defaultro: oh ok
[03:58:00] defaultro: i was asking for a regular 4 year old tv
[03:58:00] defaultro: non HD
[03:58:00] defaultro: with a 4:3 screen
[03:58:00] Skaface: yeah, i was comparing mine to your hd resolution :P
[03:58:00] defaultro: ah
[03:58:00] defaultro: :)
[03:58:00] defaultro: i'm very happy with my 1920x1080 config
[03:58:00] defaultro: in fact,it's documented
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[03:59:00] defaultro: dopester was very helpful to me early this year getting air2pc to work properly
[03:59:00] defaultro: am planning to buy another hd card, fusion lite
[03:59:00] dopester: me helpful?
[03:59:00] defaultro: hehehe :D
[03:59:00] defaultro: of course buddy
[04:00:00] defaultro: you got new hd cards that you're playing with?
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[04:04:00] Skaface: i wonder why my tv card fills the system log with
[04:04:00] Skaface: cx88_wakeup: 6 buffers handled (should be 1)
[04:04:00] Skaface: cx88_wakeup: 8 buffers handled (should be 1)
[04:04:00] Skaface: cx88_wakeup: 7 buffers handled (should be 1)
[04:04:00] Chipdancer: debugging has been set to too high a level at module compile time
[04:04:00] Chipdancer: (my guess)
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[04:05:00] Skaface: ah, ill check that out
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[04:27:00] NightMonkey: Anyone have positive experience with ivtv 0.3.9? Just curious.
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[04:35:00] dkowis: could someone help me with an lirc issue?
[04:35:00] dkowis: it's probably something I'm missing in the kernel or somethin
[04:37:00] dkowis: doh, it looks like it's a 2.6.13 issue
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[04:41:00] Zero_Dogg: can I use mythtv as a frontend to my movies and such without having it connected to a TV network? If so, how?
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[04:49:00] comcipher: Cany anybody help me configure LIRC?
[04:51:00] Chipdancer: comcipher: how far have you gotten?
[04:52:00] comcipher: Well, i've tried re-compiling and installing, no luck, tried different config options... I can't even get the PC to recgonize there is a serial reciever
[04:52:00] comcipher: I think it would probably be easiest to remove it all and try it again from the begining
[04:53:00] Chipdancer: comcipher: sorry, I don' tthink I can help much.. I did mine with a known USB IR receiver and my problems were all after I could get feedback from irw
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[04:54:00] comcipher: It's such a bitch to get it going.... This is pretty much the last thing to get running for me, everythign else seems to work great
[04:54:00] comcipher: I got a home-brew IR reciever from zapway.de
[04:56:00] redfox_away: comcipher, are the kernel modules loading?
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[04:57:00] Goldfisch2: I tinkered with installing mythplugs (from svn release). I decided I didn't need any, and tried to run "make uninstall". It pulled the bins/libs, but the menu options are still shown on mythfrontend.
[04:58:00] Goldfisch2: How can I get rid of them? Did they insert something into the database?
[04:58:00] comcipher: redfox_away: I don't think the modules are loading
[04:58:00] comcipher: how can I check?
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[05:03:00] redfox: lsmod
[05:03:00] redfox: look for lirc_serial and lirc_dev
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[05:04:00] comcipher: lirc_dev is there, but no lirc_serial
[05:05:00] redfox: modprobe lirc_serial
[05:05:00] comcipher: # modprobe lirc_serial
[05:05:00] comcipher: FATAL: Error inserting lirc_serial (/lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/misc/lirc_serial.ko): Device or resource busy
[05:05:00] redfox: it'll probably give an error
[05:05:00] comcipher: yup, error.
[05:05:00] redfox: yeah you need to run the setserial command... google for the error
[05:06:00] redfox: you get that error because the kernel has already taken over the serial port
[05:06:00] defaultro: hey, i got a lirc setup URL but a bit complicated
[05:07:00] defaultro: just want to share, it might help :) http://restricted.dyndns.org/twoinstancelirc.html
[05:07:00] SuperValk`: Everytime my bttv and tuner mods get ins, they are installed under type 19. I have a type 2. How can I tell it to use type 2 instead of 19 ?
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[05:16:00] briand: SuperValk`: same answer you got on the EFnet #linux channel — use the 'type=X' parameter to specify the tuner type.
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[05:21:00] SuperValk`: tuner doesn't have a type flag
[05:21:00] SuperValk`: neither seem to have a type flag
[05:22:00] briand: really? hmm.
[05:22:00] briand: what version of the ivtv driver are you running?
[05:22:00] SuperValk`: whatever came with the latest knoppmyth
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[05:24:00] SuperValk`: do you think that could be the issue ?
[05:25:00] briand: dunno. type "ivtvctl -V"
[05:26:00] SuperValk`: ioctl: IVTV_IOC_G_DRIVER_INFO
[05:26:00] SuperValk`: IVTV_IOC_G_DRIVER_INFO: Invalid argument
[05:26:00] briand: is that ALL it reports?
[05:26:00] SuperValk`: yep
[05:26:00] redfox_away: might be in dmesg
[05:27:00] mchou: defaultro: you gonna buy fusion lite?
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[05:28:00] briand: or, might try "modinfo ivtv"
[05:28:00] mchou: defaultro: where are you going to get it?
[05:28:00] SuperValk`: 0.2.0-rc3j
[05:28:00] briand: okay, same exact version I'm (currently) running.
[05:29:00] briand: there is, indeed, a parameter to set the tuner type.
[05:30:00] SuperValk`: What is the usage ?
[05:30:00] GreyFoxx: p
[05:30:00] SuperValk`: ivtv isn't currently loaded
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[05:32:00] lwizardl: anyone know what the requirements are for 1080p playback?
[05:33:00] SuperValk`: briand, how would I tell it to use type 2 then ?
[05:33:00] briand: when you typed "modinfo ivtv" did you see a line in there like:
[05:33:00] briand: parm: tuner:Tuner type selection, see tuner.h for values
[05:34:00] SuperValk`: Yeah, I did a modprobe ivtv tuner=2
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[05:35:00] briand: and, yet, it's still set to 19?
[05:35:00] SuperValk`: Well, I did it without having bttv and tuner loaded.
[05:36:00] briand: actually, those modules should be autoloaded by ivtv; you shouldn't need to explicitly load them any more.
[05:36:00] SuperValk`: they weren't
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[05:37:00] briand: hmm.
[05:38:00] briand: well, are you aware that at 0600 Eastern tomorrow, the 0.3.9 release will become the new stable 0.4.0 release?
[05:38:00] SuperValk`: not really.
[05:38:00] briand: you may find it easier to get an up-to-date ivtv than futz around with the 0.2.0 release
[05:38:00] briand: ivtvdriver.org for details
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[05:39:00] PaulWay: Hi all!
[05:40:00] briand: hiya PaulWay
[05:41:00] PaulWay: I've got a question about using a remote frontend.
[05:42:00] PaulWay: I've got one set up but it doesn't show the "Watch Videos" option under Media Library.
[05:43:00] briand: did you install the mythvideo plugin on that machine?
[05:43:00] PaulWay: Hmmm (he said, solving his own problem) maybe I haven't installed the package to do it...
[05:43:00] briand: ;)
[05:43:00] ** briand : helping users help themselves since 11:42pm local time. **
[05:44:00] PaulWay: briand: you are a _GENIUS!_ :-)
[05:44:00] briand: well, actually I am. ...but how did you find out?
[05:44:00] PaulWay: It was the white lab coat.
[05:44:00] PaulWay: Gave it away instantly.
[05:44:00] briand: ah.
[05:44:00] briand: and the nametag, no doubt.
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[05:45:00] PaulWay: Mind you, I have to ask why you're wearing it as a turban...
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[05:45:00] briand: oh, and possibly the mensa membership certificate i have framed on the wall...
[05:45:00] PaulWay: I love yum... so neat, so easy...
[05:45:00] briand: once configured, yes.
[05:45:00] briand: apt-get is probably just as convenient.. again, once configured.
[05:46:00] PaulWay: Very true.
[05:47:00] briand: so, what sort of mythtv setup do you have there?
[05:47:00] PaulWay: I also learnt a valuable lesson pretty early – don't enable all the development, testing and bleeding-edge repositories unless you really want to live on the bleeding edge.
[05:47:00] PaulWay: One combined backend/frontend in an Antec case in the living room, with two DVB cards.
[05:47:00] briand: I've got a Pundit-R with FC3 running MythTV 0.18.1 with a PVR-350. Installing a PVR-500MCE next week to triple my inputs
[05:48:00] PaulWay: It's all running FC4 and MythTV 0.18.1.
[05:48:00] briand: cool
[05:48:00] PaulWay: Another frontend that's my main work machine.
[05:48:00] PaulWay: It's amazing how much TV I now actually get to work, now that Kate and I can watch separate programmes simultaneously..
[05:48:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[05:48:00] PaulWay: I knew there was a reason for getting the 21" screen...
[05:49:00] briand: I've found that building my MythTV box has easily quadrupled the amount of TV I watch.
[05:49:00] GreyFoxx: It's very convienient having everything available whenever you feel like it :)
[05:49:00] PaulWay: Hmmm – atrpms is out of mirrors? What is this insolence?
[05:49:00] PaulWay: True.
[05:49:00] briand: because now, there's no reason why I *can't* watch that program that runs at 3:00am!
[05:49:00] PaulWay: I think the next purchase will be another 250GB drive.
[05:49:00] PaulWay: briand: exactly!
[05:50:00] briand: heh.
[05:50:00] PaulWay: I find I have conversations where I say "I watched this show the other night" and they say "dude, that was on three weeks ago"
[05:50:00] GreyFoxx: I should get rid of some frontends and make it less convienient. I watch too much tv hehe
[05:50:00] PaulWay: And I say "Yeah, but I didn't have to worry about the VCR borking out, or be home at a certain time to watch it..."
[05:50:00] briand: so much so, in fact, that I felt it necessary to upgrade the system by installing a PVR-500MCE. Apparently, there's television I'd like to watch that runs simultaneously with other programs I'd like to watch.
[05:51:00] PaulWay: I use nuvexport heavily as well; mostly for archiving Dr Who but also for storing things that I can watch later.
[05:51:00] GreyFoxx: Mmmmm Dr Who
[05:51:00] PaulWay: I _really_ need to learn how to use Myth's inbuilt compression processing and that.
[05:51:00] briand: I have yet to run nuvexport, or do any sort of transcoding and/or dvd-burning
[05:51:00] briand: i'm on a record-watch-delete cycle, for the most part.
[05:52:00] briand: ..and i've got some room to play: I have a 300GB drive in the Pundit.
[05:52:00] PaulWay: We bought the MythTV machine so we could avoid having to write DVDs or tapes.
[05:52:00] briand: so, until i start getting 100+ hours behind in watching what i've recorded, I'm okay. :)
[05:52:00] PaulWay: Kate (my partner) does the same thing, briand.
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[05:53:00] PaulWay: My big problem at the moment is that I added my old 160GB drive hastily.
[05:53:00] PaulWay: Now I have /opt/video on one partition and /opt/store on another, and I really should use a volume group to spread /opt across both.
[05:53:00] PaulWay: Of course, I have to find the spare space to put it all while I rebuild it,
[05:54:00] briand: well, if (okay, when!) I need more drivespace, I'll have to add a drive (or three) on the network and use NFS from the Myth box to access it. No more physical space in the Pundit for another drive.
[05:54:00] PaulWay: because AFAIK there's no way to convert a partition into LVM without recreating it entirely.
[05:55:00] briand: another trick I've heard used: set up a post-processing script to move the .nuv files to storage space elsewhere on the network, and create a link in the /video directory for it.
[05:55:00] GreyFoxx: One of these days I'll have to look at lvm
[05:56:00] PaulWay: briand: moving nuv files sounds like a pretty crufty hack.
[05:56:00] briand: crufty?
[05:57:00] PaulWay: dodgy; liable to fall apart; badly thought out.
[05:57:00] briand: ah. a new idiom to me.
[05:57:00] briand: :)
[05:57:00] PaulWay: You need: "The Jargon File"
[05:57:00] briand: i have too large a backlog of reading material as it is!
[05:58:00] PaulWay: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/C/crufty.html
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[05:58:00] briand: say, are either of you fairly well-versed in using iptables?
[05:58:00] PaulWay: What do you want to know?
[05:58:00] briand: when i set up my MythTV box, I allowed http (so i can use mythweb), but not ftp.
[05:58:00] PaulWay: I'm no expert but I've beaten it into submission on my network.
[05:59:00] PaulWay: Good idea.
[05:59:00] briand: so, I cannot ftp to that box from my other machines on the net.
[05:59:00] briand: I'd like to open up ftp to the internal (192.168.*) network
[05:59:00] CyberKnet: sup greyfoxx
[05:59:00] briand: ...just to make it easier to get things to/from the Myth box.
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[06:00:00] PaulWay: iptables -I RH-Firewall-1-INPUT <##> -m state --state new -p tcp --dport 20 -s 192.168.0.0/16 -j ACCEPT
[06:01:00] PaulWay: Also the same with destination port 21 (i.e. s/20/21)
[06:01:00] PaulWay: <##> is the second-last rule number in the RH-Firewall-1-INPUT chain.
[06:01:00] PaulWay: Hang on, I'll paste in my iptables list filter script
[06:02:00] PaulWay: Basically, do an iptables -L and count the rules from 1 in the RH-Firewall-1-INPUT chain. <##> is one below the highest number (i.e. you want to insert the rule just before the "Reject everything else" rule).
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[06:03:00] briand: okay.. the reject line is the 14th
[06:03:00] PaulWay: http://pastebin.ca/25005
[06:03:00] briand: counting from 1 as the "accept all" line
[06:05:00] PaulWay: port 21 is the TCP 'command' channel, port 20 carries the actual data.
[06:05:00] briand: so, i need to insert two lines? one for 20, and one for 21 ?
[06:05:00] PaulWay: Yep.
[06:06:00] briand: and the <##> will be replaced with <13> and <14> respectively?
[06:06:00] PaulWay: Yep.
[06:06:00] briand: okay.. stand by, we'll give 'er the old college try...
[06:07:00] briand: (i'm ssh'd into the mythbox)
[06:07:00] PaulWay: Or you can use 13 twice. Order doesn't really matter, so long as you get it in front of the 'rejected' line.
[06:07:00] briand: gotcha
[06:07:00] PaulWay: Always a bit scary, playing around with network settings over the network... :-)
[06:07:00] PaulWay: You may also need to edit /etc/sysconfig/iptables to include a similar line in there.
[06:08:00] PaulWay: Normally when FC shuts down it writes this file back out again, so it saves the state, but in my experience people only restart their Myth machines when they physically crash or die.
[06:08:00] PaulWay: Hence no save.
[06:08:00] briand: syntax error near unexpected token `13'
[06:08:00] briand: does it not need the '<' and '>' characters?
[06:08:00] PaulWay: Ah. No.
[06:08:00] ** briand thwaps self. **
[06:09:00] PaulWay: I was making sure you realised it was to be replaced.
[06:10:00] briand: <-- is thick, sometimes.
[06:10:00] briand: but, I have a viable excuse.
[06:10:00] briand: I'm new (again) to *nix. My teeth were cut on SCO Sys V R 3, which I *think* entitles me to a little latitude.  ;)
[06:10:00] PaulWay: Geez, it's a wonder you're not scarred for life!
[06:10:00] PaulWay: :-)
[06:11:00] briand: ...since that was about the most non-standard "standard" *nix available.
[06:11:00] PaulWay: Hey, I recently relearned C...
[06:11:00] briand: hell, X11 was "experimental" back then!
[06:11:00] defaultro: mchou, I saw your post
[06:11:00] defaultro: sorry, I was away
[06:11:00] PaulWay: I had to write a program using the PVM system and I wrote a distributed mandelbrot set calculator.
[06:11:00] briand: okay, i have two new lines in 'iptables -L' ... let's see if we can ftp to the box now.
[06:11:00] defaultro: i'm thinking of buyin but don't know where
[06:11:00] PaulWay: briand: Some would say it still is!
[06:11:00] briand: PaulWay: ouch. touche'
[06:12:00] PaulWay: defaultro: buying what?
[06:12:00] defaultro: Fusion lite
[06:12:00] PaulWay: briand: Debian stable still doesn't include X...
[06:12:00] PaulWay: Card, yes, defaultro?
[06:12:00] defaultro: yep
[06:12:00] ** briand sighs. **
[06:12:00] defaultro: it's an HDTV car
[06:12:00] defaultro: card like air2pc
[06:12:00] briand: [root@turbo ~]# ftp mythtv
[06:12:00] briand: ftp: connect: Connection refused
[06:12:00] defaultro: i currently have air2pc
[06:12:00] defaultro: briand, netstat -na|grep LISTEN|grep 21
[06:13:00] briand: unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7721 /var/run/acpid.socket
[06:13:00] defaultro: are there any other?
[06:13:00] defaultro: if none, ftp isn't running
[06:13:00] briand: no, just that one.
[06:14:00] defaultro: it's not running then :)
[06:14:00] briand: ah. duh. ftpd, right?
[06:14:00] defaultro: not even
[06:14:00] defaultro: we are displaying the listener port
[06:14:00] defaultro: netstat -na|grep 21
[06:14:00] PaulWay: defaultro: sounds cool!
[06:14:00] defaultro: :)
[06:15:00] PaulWay: I haven't really set up my myth machine for HDTV – there's so little programming here in .au
[06:15:00] briand: so I can just fire up 'ftpd' on the mythbox and that'll do it, right?
[06:16:00] PaulWay: Should do.
[06:16:00] defaultro: tcp4 0 0 *.21 *.* LISTEN
[06:16:00] defaultro: briand, that's how you should see it
[06:16:00] defaultro: it should
[06:16:00] PaulWay: Have you already installed an ftpd package?
[06:16:00] defaultro: i think, if it's linux, you should go inside /etc/xinetd.d something
[06:16:00] briand: installed as part of the FC3 install, isn't it?
[06:17:00] defaultro: then check if you have an ftp file
[06:17:00] defaultro: try this for kicks, rpm -qa|grep ftp
[06:18:00] defaultro: also locate ftpd
[06:18:00] PaulWay: defaultro: you can also do the same as rpm -qa \*ftp\*
[06:18:00] briand: [root@mythtv ~]# rpm -qa|grep ftp
[06:18:00] briand: lftp-3.1.3–22.rhfc3.at
[06:18:00] briand: vsftpd-2.0.1–5
[06:18:00] briand: ftp-0.17–22
[06:18:00] defaultro: try that command too
[06:18:00] defaultro: so you have vsftpd
[06:18:00] defaultro: that's cool
[06:18:00] defaultro: you just need to enable it
[06:18:00] briand: "very secure" ftp daemon, i'm guessing?
[06:18:00] defaultro: go inside /etc/xinet.d something
[06:18:00] defaultro: it is
[06:19:00] defaultro: i'm currently working on a different unix right now so i can't remember on top of my head
[06:19:00] PaulWay: Finally! Plugged a few mirrors into /etc/yum.repos.d/atrpms.repo and it's installing the video and gallery packages.
[06:19:00] defaultro: xinetd.d
[06:19:00] defaultro: cool
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[06:19:00] defaultro: briand, just follow some examples replacing values
[06:19:00] PaulWay: I've got an NFS mount of my remote /opt/video directory as /opt/video – that should work?
[06:19:00] PaulWay: briand: One question here: why do you want FTP?
[06:19:00] defaultro: that should work :) i guess
[06:20:00] briand: xinetd.d
[06:20:00] defaultro: answer Paul's question first before you go any further
[06:20:00] briand: to move files to/from the mythtv box.
[06:20:00] defaultro: where do you need ftp?
[06:20:00] defaultro: ok
[06:20:00] defaultro: don't you have ssh?
[06:20:00] briand: this box, for instance, can ftp out to the web
[06:20:00] defaultro: ftp is a client
[06:21:00] briand: but i cannot transfer files from here to the myth box
[06:21:00] defaultro: on that instance
[06:21:00] briand: yes, i have ssh
[06:21:00] defaultro: then use ssh protocol then
[06:21:00] mchou: defaultro: copperbox.com?
[06:21:00] briand: i can ssh to the myth box
[06:21:00] defaultro: cool mchou ;)
[06:21:00] mchou: defaultro: digitalconnection.com?
[06:21:00] defaultro: then use ssh to transfer and that is scp
[06:21:00] defaultro: yep, i've seen that url too before
[06:21:00] PaulWay: Hmmm – needs some tuning, and I had to set it up in the setup screens, but it works!
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[06:22:00] mchou: defaultro: I'm still kicking myself for missing the $75 sale :)
[06:22:00] defaultro: if you want a gui transfer file client, then download ssh.exe
[06:22:00] defaultro: yeah
[06:22:00] defaultro: that's about $30 less
[06:22:00] briand: oh.. hmm. i never knew there was a file xfer utility in ssh
[06:22:00] defaultro: of course there is
[06:22:00] briand: <-- new (again), remember?  :)
[06:22:00] defaultro: you can even use the putty guys' pscp
[06:23:00] defaultro: i like the transfer utly from ssh.com
[06:23:00] PaulWay: briand: scp file file file remoteuser@host:path/
[06:23:00] briand: ..and it'll prompt for password, just like ssh does...
[06:23:00] briand: <-- reading the man page(s)
[06:23:00] PaulWay: The only minor annoyance is that you're doing encryption on the transfer.
[06:24:00] briand: oh, i have so much to (re-)learn
[06:24:00] PaulWay: It can slow you down to 3MBytes/sec on slow machines... ;-)
[06:25:00] briand: heh
[06:25:00] briand: well, i'm not going to be transferring HUGE files, anyway
[06:25:00] PaulWay: briand: helping users help themselves since 11:42pm local time.
[06:25:00] PaulWay: :-)
[06:25:00] briand: just, for instance, the new ivtv drivers, when 0.4.0 comes out tomorrow.
[06:26:00] defaultro: briand, http://www.icrew.org/mirror/ssh/SSHSecureShellClient-3.2.9.exe
[06:26:00] briand: is that a linux executable?
[06:26:00] defaultro: HUH!
[06:26:00] defaultro: lol
[06:26:00] defaultro: man, you must be really behind
[06:26:00] defaultro: the extensions tells it
[06:27:00] briand: it was a joke.  :)
[06:27:00] PaulWay: Don't worry about those .exe's – if you've got ssh on linux, you've got scp.
[06:27:00] defaultro: cmon
[06:27:00] defaultro: :)
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[06:27:00] defaultro: yeah, if you're comfortable with command line, just use scp
[06:27:00] defaultro: parameter is really easy
[06:27:00] briand: i have a winXP machine, but I don't use it for much else than email and doing the nyt crossword puzzle
[06:27:00] cosmo_: anyone know if winmyth supports automatic comercial skip?
[06:27:00] defaultro: but you said, you want to transfer something to the linux box right?
[06:27:00] briand: comfy enough. cut my eye teeth on pc-dos 3.1
[06:28:00] defaultro: what is the o.s. of the client machine?
[06:28:00] PaulWay: If you're using NFS, you can also copy to/from /net/machinename/NFS-path/ on your local machine and it will create NFS links on the fly.
[06:28:00] briand: yes, but from *this* linux box to *that* linux box.
[06:28:00] defaultro: ah
[06:28:00] defaultro: so just use scp
[06:28:00] briand: gotcha.
[06:28:00] PaulWay: It does save all that messy mucking about with FTP... :-)
[06:28:00] defaultro: scp sourcefile briand@192.168.1.10:
[06:29:00] briand: scp sourcefile root@mythtv:/root
[06:29:00] defaultro: yeah
[06:29:00] PaulWay: If your username is the same on the remote machine, you can simply do scp sourcefile mythtv:
[06:29:00] PaulWay: And then you get into rsync...
[06:29:00] briand: i don't remember if i set up a user account on the myth box.
[06:29:00] briand: i think it has only mythtv and root as users
[06:29:00] defaultro: or scp root@192.168.1.1:/sourcedir/thisfile newfilename
[06:29:00] briand: well, plus the 'nobody' user for apache
[06:30:00] PaulWay: And then you get to ssh certificates, and you don't even have to put in a password to copy the file.
[06:31:00] dkowis: pki!
[06:31:00] briand: pki?
[06:31:00] PaulWay: public key (infrastructure?)
[06:31:00] dkowis: yeah
[06:32:00] PaulWay: Hmmm – visitors coming soon – better go.
[06:32:00] dkowis: that'd be giving your public ssh key somewhere but keeping your private key
[06:32:00] briand: visitors? this time of night?
[06:32:00] PaulWay: In Australia it's 2:32PM :-)
[06:32:00] dkowis: also if you had an authority that verified that your public key is yours
[06:32:00] dkowis: but meh
[06:32:00] briand: PaulWay: thanks much for the help.
[06:32:00] PaulWay: No worries!
[06:32:00] PaulWay: Bye!
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[06:32:00] briand: take care
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[06:33:00] briand: and, defaultro: thanks for your help, as well. much appreciated
[06:33:00] defaultro: anytime
[06:36:00] defaultro: anyone around to answer my dns question?
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[06:36:00] jtwang: Is there any way to save a live TV buffer?
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[06:38:00] briand: not currently
[06:38:00] briand: defaultro: did i miss your dns question?
[06:38:00] ** briand scrolls back. **
[06:39:00] jtwang: thanks. another question: is there a guide to doing transcoding with HDTV?
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[06:40:00] briand: hmm.. that, i don't know. don't have HDTV here... and have yet to do -any- transcoding (although, it's on the list. ;)
[06:40:00] defaultro: :)
[06:40:00] jtwang: yeah, it took me forever to get HDTV working, but now it works. except that it takes 6G an hour :)
[06:40:00] briand: ouch.
[06:41:00] briand: defaultro: i'm not seeing your dns question in the scrollback buffer here..
[06:41:00] fryfrog: did svn mythtv recently do away with the "--host=" option?
[06:43:00] defaultro: briand, don't worry about my dns question
[06:44:00] defaultro: hi fryfrog
[06:44:00] defaultro: i was just gonna ask if there are issues if my dns server has a private ip address but serves public ip address from its data file
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[06:47:00] briand: ah. okay.
[06:47:00] briand: beyond my scope of knowledge re: dns anyway.  ;)
[06:48:00] jtwang: what do you mean by issues?
[06:48:00] jtwang: i.e. can you give more info about your setup?
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[06:49:00] jtwang: but in general, no, I don't think you'll have any problems
[06:49:00] jtwang: that's how a typical caching DNS server works anyways – it has a private IP and serves up IPs for hosts on the internet at large
[06:50:00] CyberKnet: out of curiosity, Anyone familiar with 3ware raid cards?
[06:50:00] fryfrog: i've drooled about them, does that count? :)
[06:52:00] CyberKnet: heh
[06:52:00] CyberKnet: I drooled over them till last week
[06:52:00] CyberKnet: just installed it today
[06:52:00] DarkBeer: i have one at work
[06:52:00] CyberKnet: DarkBeer: running under windows or unix?
[06:52:00] DarkBeer: FC3
[06:52:00] CyberKnet: fantastic
[06:53:00] CyberKnet: installed it under FC2 today
[06:53:00] DarkBeer: don't remember the model off hand
[06:53:00] CyberKnet: configured the array in the bios (mirroring)
[06:53:00] DarkBeer: yeah, was pretty painless setup
[06:53:00] CyberKnet: now trying to find the block device. trying to figure out if I need to use the cli or 3dm2 for anything before it shows up
[06:54:00] CyberKnet: using the kernel driver
[06:54:00] defaultro: how much are 3ware cards?
[06:54:00] fryfrog: like $300–600?
[06:54:00] fryfrog: the good ones at least
[06:54:00] defaultro: ouch
[06:54:00] fryfrog: CyberKnet: did your kernel detect everyting okay in dmesg?
[06:55:00] defaultro: actually, i have a p3 here that has a scsi built-in. Can I use that as a backend server?
[06:55:00] fryfrog: i've not used a 3ware, but I had a megaraid scsi card.
[06:55:00] fryfrog: defaultro: sure, why not?
[06:55:00] defaultro: cool
[06:55:00] CyberKnet: hmm
[06:55:00] fryfrog: i'd skip the scsi part though :)
[06:55:00] CyberKnet: I think it did.
[06:55:00] defaultro: i won't use it as a frontend
[06:55:00] fryfrog: hard to find big cheap scsi hds
[06:55:00] defaultro: with that, i can easily grow my storage
[06:55:00] CyberKnet: didnt see any errors.
[06:55:00] defaultro: ah, that's the problem
[06:55:00] CyberKnet: but didn't see any drive detected.
[06:56:00] fryfrog: then it should have told you the drives it found
[06:56:00] fryfrog: at least, thats what mine did
[06:56:00] defaultro: the 3ware cards, does it use IDE drives?
[06:56:00] fryfrog: can you post the dmesg for the 3ware card at pastebin.com?
[06:56:00] fryfrog: IDE, SCSI or SATA depending on what you buy
[06:56:00] CyberKnet: defaultro: mine uses sata drives
[06:56:00] defaultro: ok
[06:56:00] DarkBeer: mine has ide
[06:56:00] defaultro: and how many can it accomodate/
[06:56:00] fryfrog: 2,4,8,12
[06:56:00] defaultro: wow
[06:57:00] fryfrog: depending on which you buy
[06:57:00] defaultro: my new issue with be the place where i will be mounting the harddisk :(
[06:57:00] CyberKnet: mine is a 4 port.
[06:57:00] CyberKnet: escalade 9500s-4LP
[06:57:00] fryfrog: i looked into an 8 port card, but for $600 i'd rather have 3 more hard drives and use software raid :)
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[06:57:00] defaultro: yeah, that's a better option
[06:58:00] defaultro: i'm just gonna utilize my P3 box here
[06:58:00] defaultro: I hope I can find cheap scsi disks
[06:58:00] fryfrog: you wo'n;t find any cheap scsi disks :)
[06:58:00] defaultro: :(
[06:58:00] fryfrog: well, maybe some 8G drives
[06:58:00] defaultro: hehehe
[06:58:00] fryfrog: but anything over 18G is gonna cost you an arm
[06:59:00] defaultro: yep
[06:59:00] fryfrog: 75G will be arm + leg
[06:59:00] defaultro: wait, mine right now is 160MB
[06:59:00] defaultro: oh no
[06:59:00] defaultro: 160G
[06:59:00] defaultro: lol
[06:59:00] defaultro: but IDE
[06:59:00] defaultro: i got it for $29 at bestbuy, thanksgiving
[06:59:00] fryfrog: rar!
[06:59:00] fryfrog: 1.2TB :)
[07:00:00] defaultro: i'll buy another one this time
[07:00:00] defaultro: wow, that's what I really need
[07:00:00] defaultro: got to line up on a very cold weather around 4:30am again
[07:00:00] defaultro: i hope it doesn't snow that day
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[07:00:00] defaultro: how much are 1.2tbs now?
[07:01:00] fryfrog: well, its 5x 320G drives in software raid 5
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[07:01:00] defaultro: oh ok
[07:01:00] fryfrog: i think the biggest drives now are 500G
[07:01:00] fryfrog: but they are like $400 or something crazy
[07:01:00] defaultro: how come you got 1.2 if raid 5
[07:02:00] CyberKnet: you always pay more for the latest
[07:02:00] defaultro: raid 5 uses parity
[07:02:00] defaultro: oh, 1 parity only right?
[07:03:00] defaultro: i've been lucky so far with western digital
[07:03:00] patdk2: I have had alot of wd fail
[07:03:00] patdk2: count up to around 9 or so
[07:03:00] defaultro: ouch
[07:03:00] patdk2: only two maxtors so far
[07:03:00] defaultro: my linux box is up 24hrs a day
[07:03:00] CyberKnet: 3ware Storage Controller device driver for Linux v1.26.02.000. ... that's all it put into dmesg when the module loaded
[07:04:00] patdk2: ya, use their util to check out the hardware for 3ware
[07:04:00] patdk2: the util works pretty good
[07:04:00] patdk2: almost as good as the newer adaptec raid scsi card ones
[07:04:00] defaultro: hey guys, i have never installed a remote frontend. How do I do it?
[07:06:00] CyberKnet: the command line util, or the web config util
[07:07:00] patdk2: command line
[07:09:00] CyberKnet: hmm... no controller found
[07:09:00] patdk2: you using the right one?
[07:09:00] CyberKnet: tw_cli for the 95xx series.
[07:10:00] patdk2: hmm, I have a 75xx series
[07:10:00] patdk2: worked fine
[07:10:00] patdk2: once I found the 2.6.x version of it
[07:13:00] CyberKnet: might have to download the source to the driver and compile it instead of using the driver that came with my kernel
[07:15:00] patdk2: maybe
[07:15:00] CyberKnet: might check which driver kudzu loaded too
[07:16:00] CyberKnet: make sure it got the 9500 driver
[07:16:00] CyberKnet: and not the xxxx driver
[07:16:00] CyberKnet: hmm... xxxx driver
[07:16:00] CyberKnet: that would be a problem
[07:18:00] CyberKnet: aah. much better.
[07:19:00] patdk2: hmm, I don't think 36g drives will do me
[07:20:00] patdk2: heh, that would leave me 3gigs free with my current usage
[07:20:00] CyberKnet: heh
[07:20:00] CyberKnet: I'm just mirroring a 250gb sata
[07:20:00] CyberKnet: looks like it put hte array on sdc
[07:20:00] CyberKnet: s/array/mirror
[07:20:00] CyberKnet: or whatever the terminology is
[07:21:00] patdk2: heh, I have two raid5 of 4x200, a raid10 of 6 36g 15krpm, raid50 of 6 146g 15krpm
[07:21:00] patdk2: need a new db and email server
[07:21:00] patdk2: but that uses 33g for the db + software
[07:21:00] patdk2: I have 3 36g 15k drives not being used
[07:22:00] CyberKnet: can I just use fdisk on the new block device sdc, or do I need to use tw_cli to create the partition table?
[07:22:00] patdk2: tw_cli doesn't make partitions
[07:22:00] patdk2: it just joins drives
[07:22:00] patdk2: use fdisk on sdc
[07:22:00] CyberKnet: it just performs functions that you can do in the card bios then?
[07:23:00] patdk2: cyberknet, yes, and more
[07:23:00] patdk2: it lets you do maintance also
[07:23:00] CyberKnet: neat.
[07:23:00] patdk2: verify the drives
[07:23:00] patdk2: so you can locate bad spots
[07:23:00] patdk2: and also check that all drives are actually working
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[07:24:00] CyberKnet: smartctl wouldn't work on my old plain sata drive.
[07:24:00] CyberKnet: stupid wireless crap network.
[07:24:00] patdk2: heh, tw_cli does the smart for ya
[07:24:00] patdk2: well, 3ware does I believe
[07:25:00] patdk2: I find smart with ide drives to suck
[07:25:00] patdk2: smart with scsi drives are actually alittle usefull
[07:25:00] CyberKnet: heh
[07:25:00] patdk2: heh, really nice that almost all drives now have temp sensors in them
[07:25:00] CyberKnet: yeah
[07:26:00] patdk2: guess I need to price out some 73g 15k drives
[07:26:00] CyberKnet: libata not supporting smart kinda sucks.. most sata drives do have that capability.
[07:27:00] CyberKnet: do the 3ware cards have any led connectors to indicate failed/failing drives, or will I need to hook up a parport/serial project driven by tw_cli output?
[07:27:00] defaultro: hey guys, how do we find out what subnets where given to a company? Is it ARIN?
[07:28:00] patdk2: cyberknet, I don't beleive so
[07:28:00] patdk2: I don't know anything that does do that
[07:28:00] patdk2: except ses/safte
[07:29:00] CyberKnet: some compaq gear shows it, but it's pretty expensive.
[07:29:00] patdk2: ya, that is all ses enabled
[07:29:00] patdk2: scsi backplanes
[07:29:00] patdk2: all my raid arrays do it except the two raid5 3ware ones
[07:29:00] CyberKnet: I really don't want to spend the kind of money that takes =)
[07:29:00] patdk2: heh
[07:30:00] CyberKnet: a nice serial port or parallel port project sounds fun though.
[07:30:00] CyberKnet: heh
[07:30:00] patdk2: hmm, my one server only cost me 10k, and it has 6 36g drives in it :)
[07:30:00] ** CyberKnet is very, very cheap **
[07:30:00] patdk2: but then, the led's don't help me
[07:30:00] CyberKnet: a $300 raid card in my machine is ... amazing.
[07:30:00] patdk2: as I'm 2hours away from it
[07:31:00] CyberKnet: heh
[07:31:00] CyberKnet: true that.
[07:31:00] patdk2: the machine just emails me the output of the raid util every night
[07:31:00] patdk2: so I can see drive status
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[07:45:00] patdk2: I'm having way too much fun withmy email servers
[07:45:00] CyberKnet: heh
[07:45:00] CyberKnet: I'm having way too much difficulty with simple tasks
[07:45:00] patdk2: heh, no one understands my email setup anymore
[07:45:00] patdk2: cause it's way too complex
[07:45:00] patdk2: and doesn't follow any normal email rules
[07:46:00] dev-: aliens built mine, thats how complex it is
[07:46:00] CyberKnet: (such as formatting a partition for video as xfs)
[07:46:00] patdk2: heh, I have full live redundant email at multible locations
[07:46:00] patdk2: incoming and outgoing
[07:46:00] patdk2: not just mx backups
[07:47:00] patdk2: and not using a database, database just ends up having the same problems
[07:47:00] dev-: shark followed for 12,000miles lol. i want that job. follow a fish around and get paid heh
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[09:14:00] fryfrog: does compiling myth with debug and/or profile slow it down?
[09:16:00] Chipdancer: you poor bastard! havingn to pull midnight shift on a sat/sun :)
[09:17:00] fryfrog: yes, it sure sucks to be me :(
[09:17:00] fryfrog: and its only 3am too
[09:17:00] fryfrog: but at least i re-did the mythtv-svn ebuilds
[09:17:00] fryfrog: now i need to figure out how the fuck to make an svn themes ebuild
[09:19:00] Cardoe: themes aren't in SVN
[09:19:00] Cardoe: afaik
[09:19:00] Cardoe: they're just the bundled themes
[09:19:00] Cardoe: fryfrog: if you want to be more productive with the SVN ebuilds
[09:20:00] Cardoe: something that in the past I would actually support
[09:20:00] Cardoe: and include in Portage
[09:20:00] Cardoe: it's SVN Snapshots
[09:24:00] Cardoe: if you'd want to work with me on those.
[09:24:00] Cardoe: fryfrog: how often do you recompile?
[09:26:00] fryfrog: hey!
[09:26:00] fryfrog: there is a themes svn trunk
[09:26:00] fryfrog: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/myththemes
[09:26:00] fryfrog: it has the cool WS themes
[09:27:00] fryfrog: i just re-did the mythtv-svn ebuild so that it actually works
[09:27:00] fryfrog: and added a ton of ?new? use flags
[09:28:00] fryfrog: i also fixed some deps, like the built in dvd nav and ieee1394 suport
[09:28:00] fryfrog: i'm compiling now, and i need to test some use vs. what ./configure does cases
[09:28:00] fryfrog: i think they have a "stable" 0.18.2 svn branch, might make a good portage snapshot
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[09:40:00] rage__: I'm trying out a recent SVN and I can't play my old recorded shows, but can record new ones and play those fine
[09:40:00] rage__: anyone else have this problem?
[09:40:00] rage__: they do have a stable 18.2 btw, I downloaded it a while ago :)
[09:41:00] Cardoe: rage__: not a tarball though
[09:41:00] fryfrog: yeah, just a stable svn branch
[09:41:00] rage__: no, but you can svn it
[09:42:00] rage__: you guys know anything about my video playing problems?
[09:42:00] rage__: :\
[09:42:00] fryfrog: http://fryfrog.com/mythtv-svn-0.18.ebuild
[09:42:00] fryfrog: would you take a peak at that ebuild cardoe and tell me what you think?
[09:42:00] Cardoe: I strongly dislike SVN ebuilds?
[09:43:00] Cardoe: fryfrog: how often do you really compile?
[09:43:00] fryfrog: I added dependency support for dvd and ieee1394
[09:43:00] fryfrog: every few days or weeks?
[09:43:00] fryfrog: cause i'm a sloot :)
[09:43:00] Cardoe: I would do a near weekly snapshot
[09:43:00] Cardoe: in the tree
[09:43:00] fryfrog: most of my changes were to the dependancy and use flags, not the svn portion
[09:43:00] Cardoe: if you'd be willing to help
[09:43:00] Cardoe: test
[09:43:00] fryfrog: of the 0.18.2 stable branch?
[09:44:00] fryfrog: i could try, but most of my free time is in the middle of the night while at work
[09:44:00] fryfrog: so all i can really test is if the backend runs and it compiled
[09:44:00] rage__: where do you work fryfrog?
[09:44:00] Cardoe: No
[09:44:00] Cardoe: not of 0.18.2
[09:44:00] Cardoe: there is no 0.18.2
[09:44:00] fryfrog: mirant, an energy company
[09:45:00] fryfrog: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-18-fixes/mythtv
[09:45:00] fryfrog: If you'd like to get the stable 0.18.2 branch, do this instead:
[09:45:00] Cardoe: It's a stable branch
[09:45:00] fryfrog: ah, sorry thats what i meant
[09:45:00] Cardoe: I don't care what the wiki page calls it
[09:45:00] Cardoe: it's not 0.18.2
[09:45:00] fryfrog: does it get updated regularly?
[09:45:00] ** Cardoe shrugs. **
[09:45:00] Cardoe: I don't use it
[09:45:00] fryfrog: ah
[09:46:00] Cardoe: you two are the ones that started talking about it.
[09:46:00] Cardoe: I was talking about what's going to become 0.19
[09:46:00] fryfrog: so what would be required for a mythtv-2005blahblah
[09:46:00] fryfrog: ebuild
[09:46:00] fryfrog: some ebuilds that work on the tar.bz2 files and some testing?
[09:46:00] Cardoe: I already make them for myself locally.
[09:46:00] Cardoe: as far as ieee1394
[09:47:00] Cardoe: I don't see why you removed some depends but ok
[09:47:00] fryfrog: i didn't remove any
[09:47:00] fryfrog: i added them
[09:47:00] rage__: also with this svn that I'm using, I only get a partial lock on channels that I could lock onto and watch before
[09:47:00] rage__: goofy
[09:48:00] Cardoe: fryfrog: well then they're wrong
[09:48:00] Cardoe: fryfrog: they've been in the official Portage ebuilds for months
[09:48:00] fryfrog: what are wrong?
[09:48:00] Cardoe: what's profile?
[09:48:00] fryfrog: the one about that libiec63blahblah?
[09:48:00] Cardoe: there's more parts to it
[09:49:00] fryfrog: i don't follow
[09:49:00] fryfrog: ieee1394 requires libraw and libiec
[09:49:00] fryfrog: but libiec requires libraw anyway
[09:49:00] fryfrog: so i just changed the libraw requirement to libiec
[09:50:00] Cardoe: ok
[09:51:00] Cardoe: how about libavc?
[09:51:00] fryfrog: what is it for?
[09:51:00] ** Cardoe shrugs. **
[09:51:00] Cardoe: it's what was needed for me and a couple of others to compile
[09:51:00] fryfrog: ah
[09:52:00] fryfrog: how do you do twin requirements?
[09:52:00] fryfrog: ieee1394? ( media-libs/libiec61883 media-libs/libavc )
[09:52:00] fryfrog: ?
[09:55:00] fryfrog: there, i added avc
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[10:18:00] Surye: mythtv doesn't seem to be compatible with mysql-4.1 :(
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[10:19:00] fryfrog: those bastards!
[10:25:00] Cardoe: RESOLVED->WORKSFORME
[10:29:00] fryfrog: Cardoe: would it make any sense to have one ebuild for all the plugins and use useflags?
[10:29:00] fryfrog: or is that... silly?
[10:31:00] Surye: What exactly does mythphone require?
[10:32:00] fryfrog: a mic and webcam i think?
[10:32:00] fryfrog: maybe not even the webcam, to recieve
[10:32:00] Surye: But it doesn't require a service?
[10:32:00] fryfrog: no idea
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[10:36:00] Cardoe: fryfrog: I think it's silly
[10:45:00] fryfrog: is there any tools for testing combinations of use flags on an individual package?
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[11:48:00] fryfrog: where the heck did my QAM HD channels hide???
[11:48:00] fryfrog: qam makes me dislike life :)
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[12:27:00] hypermush: does anyone here use xbmcmythtv?
[12:28:00] Ryushin: fryfrog: Hince, I got a good attenna and do OTA. QAM is just miserable.
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[12:34:00] ridd1er: hey all..
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[12:36:00] ridd1er: anyone know if there are any docs on making menu's for mythtv and types of variables that can be used.. like titles.. buttons.. toggle buttons?
[12:36:00] fryfrog: Ryushin: i'm surrounded by trees that are about 1–2 stories above my house, *and* kind of in a dip
[12:37:00] fryfrog: Ryushin: i'm not sure if OTA would work
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[13:07:00] Ryushin: fryfrog: Wow, they must be some nice trees. From what I understand, trees don't affect UHF and VHF that much. A good antenna like the Winegard 9095 on 5 foot pole should be able to pull them in. How far are you from the towers?
[13:08:00] fryfrog: only like 10–20 miles
[13:08:00] fryfrog: lemme look up that antenna, though i was hoping to put it in the attic
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[13:08:00] fryfrog: Beirdo recommended the umm, channel master with 8 bow ties
[13:20:00] fryfrog: i'm thinking of just selling off my myth hardware and going with DTV :)
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[13:44:00] fryfrog: would $60 for a pvr 250 be a decent price?
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[15:03:00] lordliima: hi, couldnt find any help from google or from the mailing lists, so asking here, i have gentoo with latest xmltv and mythtv from portage, everything should be set up correctly, but when i run mythsetup and try to use video sources mythsetup just freezes
[15:04:00] lordliima: it puts up some progress bar or something with 50 written on it, and nothing happens
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[15:04:00] lordliima: rather trying to set up video sources, but anyway
[15:04:00] lordliima: i tried the grab_whatever script in shell and it works fine
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[15:09:00] lordliima: actually i think i found something on the mailing list
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[15:24:00] thanius: anyone here got any success with a PVR-150MCE PAL?
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[16:40:00] travolta: is there a way to delete multiple recordings at one time?
[16:40:00] travolta: like tag a whole bunch then press d and then yes
[16:40:00] travolta: i tried adding a whole bunch to a playlist then pressing d and it frozze
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[16:46:00] travolta: fryfrog, yea, nice price
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[16:51:00] fryfrog: now to find out if i can get directv at my house :)
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[16:59:00] lxy: I have one backend and 2 frontends. The frontend application on the backend works fine, the 2 frontends return the error that they're not connected to the backend. Any ideas where to start looking?
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[17:05:00] lxy: k, I see the problem. It's connecting OK to MySQL running on the backend (192.168.0.49) but it wants to connect to the backend at 127.0.0.1
[17:05:00] lxy: hey BobJensen
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[17:06:00] BobJensen: Hey lxy
[17:06:00] lxy: it just tells me to "run the setup program" What setup program?
[17:06:00] patdk2: mythtv-setup
[17:07:00] patdk2: though it was pretty explainitory
[17:07:00] lxy: hmmm... don't have that on this box
[17:07:00] patdk2: on the backend?
[17:07:00] lxy: on the backend yes
[17:07:00] lxy: is it all configured on the backend?
[17:07:00] patdk2: mythtv-setup should be on the backend
[17:07:00] patdk2: no, the backend is config on the backend
[17:08:00] patdk2: the frontend is config on the frontend
[17:08:00] lxy: that's what I though
[17:08:00] lxy: the backend is just fine
[17:08:00] patdk2: mythtv-setup configs tat backend
[17:08:00] patdk2: and that is your problem
[17:08:00] patdk2: don't question me just fix it ! :)
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[17:10:00] patdk2: you need to change the ip of your backend from 127.0.0.1 to the ip of your backend machine
[17:10:00] patdk2: it's under general in that setup program
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[17:11:00] lxy: made the change on the backend
[17:12:00] lxy: ok, now I got it
[17:12:00] lxy: didn't realize that the frontend imported its settings from the backend, I thought they were maintained seperately
[17:12:00] patdk2: they are
[17:12:00] patdk2: it gets it's settings from the database
[17:12:00] lxy: so all this time I'm looking for a setup utility on the frontend when it's NOT THERE :-)
[17:13:00] patdk2: the frontend locates the db
[17:13:00] patdk2: the db tells it everything else
[17:13:00] lxy: now I have incompatibilities between my frontend and backend, which is OK because I'm going to upgrade the backend anyway
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[17:13:00] lxy: thanks for your help!
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[17:17:00] Amun: .
[17:18:00] Amun: ok. i just acquired a new laptop. i put in a ubuntu LIVE cd, and my wifi card wasnt found. im wondering if there is a webpage dedicated to wifi card compatibility?
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[17:22:00] GreyFoxx: uhhh, maybe ask in a ubuntu related channel
[17:22:00] GreyFoxx: ?
[17:22:00] Amun: hrmm
[17:22:00] patdk2: I think it is cause we nomally actually answer questions in here
[17:22:00] Amun: my bad
[17:23:00] Amun: i did /list, and it said '#ubuntu-devels' and right under this it said #mythtv-users ... thought it said ubuntu-users
[17:23:00] Amun: my bad ;p
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[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: there appears to be a #ubuntu
[17:32:00] fryfrog: don't believe the hype, its just an illusion!
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[18:18:00] briand: has anybody else in here installed (or attempted to install) the 0.4.0 ivtv drivers ?
[18:20:00] patdk2: nope, still using 0.3.9
[18:20:00] patdk2: hmm, searching for new hostnames is annoying
[18:21:00] briand: well, despite the download, make install, etc... I'm apparently still running 0.2.0 rc3j, at least according to modinfo
[18:21:00] briand: ivtvctl -a no longer works at all.
[18:21:00] patdk2: sounds like you didn't reboot/reload the modules
[18:22:00] briand: it claims "not an ivtv driver device"
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[18:22:00] briand: rmmod would not let me remove ivtv, because it was in use by ivtv_fb
[18:22:00] briand: and it wouldn't unload ivtv_fb
[18:22:00] briand: but I _did_ reboot.
[18:22:00] patdk2: did you shutdown X11?
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[18:22:00] patdk2: heh, you can't rmmod parts of the kernel that are being used
[18:23:00] emes: anyone got mythfrontend working on ppc?
[18:23:00] briand: okay, so if i now exit mythfrontend, then exit the mythtv session... X11 is still running, no?
[18:23:00] patdk2: yes
[18:24:00] patdk2: you need to kill Xfree or Xorg or X86 something like that
[18:26:00] briand: root 4562 0.0 2.2 11988 10184 ? S 12:01 0:01 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[18:26:00] briand: that process?
[18:26:00] patdk2: yep
[18:26:00] briand: kill -9 4562
[18:26:00] briand: right?
[18:26:00] patdk2: kill 4592 should do it
[18:27:00] briand: 4562, okay done...
[18:27:00] patdk2: now start rmmod stuff
[18:28:00] briand: 'k...
[18:28:00] patdk2: ivtv*
[18:28:00] patdk2: tveeprom, tuner, ...
[18:29:00] briand: [root@mythtv utils]# /sbin/rmmod ivtv cx25840 tuner tveeprom msp3400 wm8775 tda9887 saa7115 saa7127
[18:29:00] briand: ERROR: Module ivtv is in use by ivtv_fb
[18:29:00] briand: ERROR: Module cx25840 does not exist in /proc/modules
[18:29:00] briand: ERROR: Module wm8775 does not exist in /proc/modules
[18:29:00] briand: ERROR: Module tda9887 does not exist in /proc/modules
[18:29:00] briand: [root@mythtv utils]# /sbin/rmmod ivtv_fb
[18:29:00] briand: ERROR: Module ivtv_fb is in use
[18:29:00] patdk2: did X get started back up?
[18:29:00] briand: not by me.
[18:29:00] patdk2: and no, you can't just rmmod all of them at once
[18:29:00] patdk2: atleast not in that order
[18:30:00] patdk2: heh, well, check and see
[18:30:00] patdk2: your system may automatically start it up
[18:30:00] patdk2: that or you have something else using it
[18:30:00] briand: seems to be process 5042 now.
[18:30:00] patdk2: well, you need to shutdown whatever is resarting it
[18:30:00] patdk2: I dunno your system, so I can't help you there
[18:31:00] briand: how can i find out?
[18:31:00] patdk2: I dunno your system, so I can't help you there
[18:32:00] briand: yes, you've said that.
[18:32:00] patdk2: ya, the answer to the question you just asked
[18:32:00] patdk2: don't ask it if I already said the answer
[18:32:00] briand: so, you're not comfortable helping me further with this problem.
[18:32:00] comcipher: Can anyone here help me get LIRC configured? I think it may be a problem with the lirc_serial module not loading correctly...
[18:32:00] patdk2: no, I have no idea what distro you using or anything else
[18:33:00] patdk2: sounds like you need to learn whatever linux you installed first
[18:33:00] patdk2: I willhelp you with ivtv/myth stuff, beyond that, I won't
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[18:33:00] patdk2: you should know that already, as far as I'm concerned
[18:34:00] patdk2: and every system is different
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[18:39:00] briand: as far as my (admittedly, limited) knowledge of linux, specifcially FC3, is concerned.. if I'm at the GUI login prompt on my mythbox in the other room, X is still running... and probably what is restarting it.
[18:39:00] briand: is that a fair assumption?
[18:40:00] Krazylegz: gdm is probably restarting it. Kill gdm. Usually /etc/init.d/gdm stop will work.
[18:41:00] briand: and i can do that from my ssh into that box from here, and retain connectivity to do the rest of what's needed, yes?
[18:41:00] Krazylegz: Yes.
[18:42:00] PatrickDK: hell, you can kill ssh, and stay connected
[18:42:00] PatrickDK: as long as you don't use killall
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[18:42:00] PatrickDK: I know nother of FC3
[18:43:00] ** Krazylegz ponders how difficult it would have been to learn Linux with MythTV **
[18:43:00] PatrickDK: heh
[18:43:00] PatrickDK: I don't use gdm though either
[18:43:00] briand: well, it's not gdm, or gdm doesn't reside in /etc/init.d
[18:43:00] briand: kde, perhaps?
[18:43:00] PatrickDK: I just start X directly
[18:43:00] PatrickDK: briand, xdm?
[18:44:00] briand: no, not xdm (or kde), either.  :/
[18:45:00] PatrickDK: I wonder if they started it on a terminal
[18:45:00] PatrickDK: that could be annoying
[18:46:00] briand: well, for what it's worth, the Fedora GUI login prompt is no longer showing on my television in the other room.
[18:46:00] PatrickDK: what is displayed?
[18:46:00] briand: nothing.
[18:46:00] Krazylegz: briand: Do you have to keep running back and forth?
[18:46:00] briand: no, I'm connected via ssh to that box from here.
[18:47:00] briand: but, when I kill the X11 process, a new one starts
[18:47:00] Krazylegz: You could just change runlevels.
[18:47:00] Krazylegz: Just make sure that the runlevel you go to includes networking.
[18:47:00] PatrickDK: chmod a-x /usr/X11R6/bin/X
[18:48:00] PatrickDK: :)
[18:48:00] briand: ..but then I'd have to do a chmod a+x /usr/X11R6/bin/X afterwards, right?
[18:48:00] PatrickDK: ya, when you want X to start back up
[18:49:00] briand: okay.. X is no longer running, nor restarting (since it's no longer executable)
[18:50:00] briand: reran the rmmod commands... and did a rmmod ivtv_fb
[18:51:00] PatrickDK: modprobe ivtv
[18:51:00] briand: now, when i try to rmmod ivtv (the others all unloaded), it says "ivtv is in use" (but no longer says "ivtv is in use by ivtv_fb"
[18:51:00] PatrickDK: modprobe ivtv_fb
[18:51:00] PatrickDK: hmm, what mods are loaded?
[18:51:00] PatrickDK: lsmod should say what is using it
[18:51:00] Krazylegz: Instead of rmmod, try modprobe -r
[18:53:00] briand: modprobe -r returns "FATAL: Module ivtv is in use"
[18:53:00] briand: lsmod says it's loaded, but there's no indication of what is using it (that column is blank)
[18:53:00] Krazylegz: modprobe -r ivtv_fb
[18:53:00] PatrickDK: mythbackend shut down?
[18:54:00] briand: no
[18:54:00] PatrickDK: heh
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[18:55:00] PatrickDK: you can't upgrade stuff, when stuff is using it
[18:56:00] briand: there doesn't appear to be a 'stop' option for the mythbackend daemon
[18:56:00] briand: just kill it?
[18:57:00] Krazylegz: Which version?
[18:57:00] Krazylegz: There should be a stop.
[18:57:00] briand: 0.18.1
[18:57:00] Krazylegz: Hmm.
[18:58:00] briand: 0.18.1.20050523–1, to be exact.
[18:59:00] Krazylegz: Let me see what it does when you stop it.
[18:59:00] briand: it prints out a list of available parameters
[18:59:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, looks like you can just kill it.
[18:59:00] briand: 'stop' not among them.
[19:00:00] briand: well, i killed it, and it's gone from the process list
[19:00:00] briand: still can't rmmod ivtv
[19:00:00] Krazylegz: Put your lsmod output in pastebin.
[19:02:00] briand: http://pastebin.ca/25035
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[19:06:00] comcipher: what should I do when LIRC install tells me that "You will have to use the lirc_serial kernel module" ?
[19:08:00] comcipher: FATAL: Error inserting lirc_serial (/lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/misc/lirc_serial.ko): Device or resource busy
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[19:09:00] comcipher: that's what I get when I try to insert it
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[19:18:00] comcipher: if I run $setserial ttyS0 uart none it tends to release the serial port and the module was successfully installed.... we'll see if I keep making any progress or not
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[19:18:00] ridd1er: anyone know if there are any docs on making menu's for mythtv and types of variables that can be used.. like titles.. buttons.. toggle buttons?
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[19:22:00] Surye: Hm.. I'm having an issue I can't figure out and it's so weird. I don't know if it's a problem with QT or mythtv. but whenever I hit enter or space on a button in myth (like the next buttons) the button depresses, but doesn't go, and I can click the arrows, and move away from the button and it elevates. this happened att the machine, and at another machine using X11 Forwarding. Also, if I use the mouse, I can click the buttons just fine. W
[19:22:00] Surye: hat's going on? x_x
[19:24:00] ridd1er: hmm surye.. that is weird
[19:25:00] ridd1er: do you experience any othere issues in your x environment? gnome/kde?
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[19:27:00] foobum: how should i set things up if i have two tuners/sources with some channels in common?
[19:27:00] Surye: ridd1er: It's only really got evilwm and mythtv running in X
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[19:27:00] ridd1er: hmm might be something with evilwm..
[19:27:00] Surye: And my machine that I used X11 Forwarding has no such issues
[19:27:00] foobum: does myth use the xmltvid for determining that i have the samel channel on both sources?
[19:27:00] ridd1er: sounds in general like a window manager issue.
[19:28:00] Surye: I'll switch to flux and see if it helps
[19:28:00] foobum: or something else?
[19:28:00] ridd1er: try that and or maybe get the latest/reinstall qt
[19:28:00] Surye: ridd1er: I installed it from an ebuild
[19:28:00] Surye: so it's the newest
[19:29:00] ridd1er: well then another question...
[19:29:00] ridd1er: did you start having an issue before you installed qt from the ebuild?
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[19:29:00] Surye: This box is a dedicated mythbox, it had no life before this =P
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[19:30:00] Surye: But the same ebuild of QT I used on my desktop, and there's no issue
[19:30:00] ridd1er: hmm okay then.. well try a different window manager and then let us know if it continues
[19:32:00] briand: Krazylegz: are you still here?
[19:33:00] Surye: Same problem with flux =/
[19:33:00] ridd1er: hmm
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[19:34:00] Surye: >_< I have no idea what would cause this
[19:34:00] ridd1er: how does tab respond in myth? does it move through active buttons?
[19:34:00] emes: should I submit a bug report to mythtv-users or mythtv-dev?
[19:34:00] Surye: Yep, tab works fine.
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[19:35:00] ridd1er: have you checked your key assignments in the db to make sure their set correctly?
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[19:35:00] Surye: Yep, and they are. And the thing is, it definatly detects it, as the button depresses like it's clicking down.
[19:36:00] Surye: It just sits there depressed.
[19:36:00] Surye: This is a hard problem to google x_x
[19:36:00] ridd1er: if its not qt.. then it has an issue with myth and how its processing the button in the xml menus.
[19:37:00] ridd1er: do you only experience this in the setup menus?
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[19:38:00] Surye: Yes, only when there's an actual QT button widget. The menus work fine. But, for example, when you try to exit, and it asks you if you really want to quit, both options are qt buttons, so I can't exit properly.
[19:39:00] ridd1er: wow.. okay now i am back to my original thought that its qt..
[19:39:00] ridd1er: have you tried maybe re-installing qt?
[19:40:00] Surye: A few times last night
[19:40:00] ridd1er: sounds like you have covered the bases..
[19:40:00] ridd1er: sorry if i am being repeditive
[19:40:00] Surye: Heh, it's cool. I know it's the trouble shooting drill. I appreciate your time.
[19:41:00] ridd1er: np..
[19:41:00] ridd1er: let me think
[19:41:00] Surye: I can roll back one version of QT
[19:41:00] ridd1er: ahh while i know its a simple change...
[19:41:00] ridd1er: have you tried to modify the qt theme in the appearance menu in setup?
[19:42:00] jemarcks: xris, howdy
[19:42:00] xris: mornign
[19:42:00] ridd1er: not that it would have effect on the menus.. but just to see how this ver of qt responds
[19:42:00] xris: me kicks transcode for not being able to handle HD mpeg-ts files
[19:42:00] jemarcks: xris, had a system crash yesterday... i did a fresh install last nite and Im tweeking it now..
[19:42:00] Surye: Yea, that didn't affect it.
[19:43:00] ridd1er: but it switched correctly?
[19:43:00] Surye: Yea
[19:43:00] ridd1er: i think your right rolling back to another ver sounds right..
[19:43:00] foobum: hi.. is it possible to have a higher input preference for one of two input cards but have livetv choose the other by default?
[19:43:00] ridd1er: let me see what i am running
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[19:44:00] ridd1er: what ver are you on?
[19:44:00] foobum: ( i want it to record from card A preferentially but use B for livetv)
[19:44:00] ridd1er: err build
[19:44:00] Surye: qt-3.3.4-r8
[19:44:00] xris: foobum: don't think it can at the moment.
[19:44:00] xris: picks the first card defined
[19:44:00] ridd1er: i am on 3.3.4-r1
[19:44:00] ridd1er: and it works fine..
[19:45:00] ridd1er: try that ver..
[19:45:00] hound: Does anyone know if there's a way to extra raw audio through a Hauppauge PVR-250 or is it always compressed into the mpg file.
[19:45:00] Surye: What's a small qt app that I can emerge to test QT?
[19:45:00] ridd1er: hmm let me check
[19:45:00] foobum: xris: bummer – i want it to choose card Afor recording precisely because it's likely card B will be in use for livetv
[19:46:00] xris: foobum: it's an oft-requested feature.
[19:46:00] xris: maybe the devs will put it in someday — if there isn't a request already, put a feature request in at svn.mythtv.org
[19:46:00] foobum: xris: yah.. so i can't swap tuners in live tv?
[19:46:00] xris: best case, someone will tell you that I'm wrong and it can already be done.
[19:46:00] xris: foobum: THAT, you can do...
[19:47:00] xris: I believe the key is C
[19:47:00] xris: just don't think you can set up a default
[19:47:00] foobum: ok, ta.. i'll five it a try.. so it'll just start on the wrong tuner and i'll have to change it manually...
[19:48:00] xris: yeah
[19:48:00] foobum: hmm.. c seems to cause a pause, but no tuner switch :(
[19:49:00] ridd1er: not sure if its on the emerge list.. but try gaim
[19:49:00] ridd1er: its small.
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[19:49:00] xris: foobum: try v
[19:50:00] xris: I forget which key it is
[19:50:00] xris: I don't watch livetv with myth
[19:50:00] ridd1er: hey xris.. know of any docs or repositories on the options for making xml menus in mythtv?
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[19:50:00] xris: ridd1er: I think there's some stuff at mythtv.info
[19:50:00] balkj: can someone help me i imported a dvd but cant find how to play it????
[19:50:00] foobum: ah.. found it..it's Y :)
[19:51:00] ridd1er: i checked its kindof vague.. but will keep looking
[19:51:00] xris: foobum: shows what I know.  :)
[19:51:00] balkj: someone pls
[19:52:00] xris: balkj: mythvideo
[19:53:00] balkj: huh mythvideo??
[19:54:00] balkj: i go to media libary watch videos i see the folder but when i click it just says really nothing
[19:56:00] balkj: 158 users and no one can help me with this???
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[19:57:00] xris: balkj: considering that only about 15 people ever talk, and many of them are likely away or don't know your answer......
[19:57:00] balkj: do you know, can you help?
[19:57:00] xris: obviously not
[19:58:00] xris: is the file on your hard drive?
[19:58:00] balkj: yes i imported the whole dvd
[19:58:00] xris: not what I asked
[19:58:00] xris: is the file on your drive somewhere that mythvideo can see it?
[19:59:00] balkj: ok how do i get to mythvideo?
[19:59:00] xris: you were there
[19:59:00] xris: but again, NOT what I asked.
[19:59:00] xris: is there a file on your drive in the directory you configured mythvideo to search for videos?
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[20:00:00] balkj: ok forget this i cant get tv to work would you be more helpfull in that
[20:01:00] jcohen85: i followed the instructions on http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-13.html to create a password for mythtv but i'm not being asked for a password. I restarted apache after making the change. What am i missing? I'm running on Debian with apache 2.0.54
[20:01:00] GreyFoxx: balkj: In order for him to help you, you must help him by answering what he asks. After all you are the one at the computer in question
[20:02:00] balkj: what he asked??? he asked could i see it in mythvideo i asked him how to get there and his response not what i asked
[20:02:00] xris: balkj: NO, that's not what I asked.
[20:02:00] balkj: is the file on your hard drive?
[20:02:00] balkj: [10:58am] <balkj> yes i imported the whole dvd
[20:02:00] balkj: [10:58am] <+xris> not what I asked
[20:03:00] xris: is there a file on your drive in the directory you configured mythvideo to search for videos?
[20:03:00] xris: not "is there a file in mythvideo"
[20:03:00] xris: I'm first trying to see if the export even WORKED
[20:03:00] xris: good practice in debugging, start from the beginning.
[20:03:00] balkj: i didnt configure myth for a video folder
[20:03:00] xris: balkj: then it uses the defaults.
[20:03:00] balkj: ok
[20:04:00] xris: which you should look at to make sure that the video even exported.
[20:04:00] balkj: ok
[20:04:00] xris: then make sure that the export directory and the mythvideo directories are even related.
[20:05:00] balkj: ok how do i do that, i can go to media libary watch video and see the folder of the dvd i imported
[20:06:00] xris: balkj: look on your hard drive, outside of mythtv
[20:06:00] xris: make sure there is actually something IN the folder
[20:07:00] balkj: ok can we start over and try to get my tv working, i guess thats the main thing i want
[20:07:00] agile: trying to setup for the first time, and when I try to start the backend it fails trying to connect the db. I can connect fine using the same user/pw that are in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, so I'm wondering where it might be pulling whatever password it's trying to use from?
[20:08:00] xris: agile: probably a stray mysql.txt file somewhere
[20:08:00] xris: sometimes in /.mythtv or ~/.mythtv or /usr/local/share/mythtv/
[20:08:00] xris: balkj: take your pick... either way, I need to go do family stuff...
[20:09:00] balkj: well do you have a few min before you need to leave?
[20:10:00] xris: no, need to get dressed. ride will be here shortly
[20:11:00] Surye: ridd1er: I tried with kopete and the buttons work fine..
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[20:15:00] balkj: can anybody help me get my tv working using knoppmyth
[20:16:00] sandos: your TV should work all on its own, I think ;)
[20:16:00] balkj: well all i get is a black screen
[20:16:00] balkj: ???
[20:17:00] balkj: i think it should also lol
[20:17:00] PatrickDK: hmm, buy a new one
[20:18:00] PatrickDK: since they don't make tv repair men anymore
[20:18:00] balkj: are you talkoinb aobut the tv contorls in koppmyth or my acutall tv
[20:19:00] PatrickDK: actual tv
[20:19:00] PatrickDK: you didn't say anything about tv controls
[20:19:00] balkj: na im talking about tv within myth
[20:19:00] PatrickDK: just tv
[20:19:00] PatrickDK: I didn't know there was a tv within myth
[20:20:00] PatrickDK: livetv?
[20:20:00] balkj: you know where you can record tv in myth
[20:20:00] balkj: i cant see tv in myth
[20:20:00] PatrickDK: we can't guess what your talking about
[20:20:00] xris: balkj: what card do you have?
[20:20:00] balkj: ati tv wonder ve
[20:21:00] xris: does it work with xawtv?
[20:21:00] balkj: ? have no idea
[20:21:00] xris: test?
[20:21:00] balkj: how do i test? im really new at myth just got it installed this morning
[20:22:00] xris: has nothing to do with myth
[20:22:00] xris: xawtv is a basic tv-viewing program for software-encoder cards.
[20:22:00] xris: need to make sure that your card is configured properly
[20:23:00] balkj: so do i need to boot into windows or stay in myth
[20:23:00] xris: stay in linux, but get out of myth
[20:23:00] balkj: ok
[20:23:00] balkj: ok whats next
[20:24:00] xris: so are you new to myth, or new to both myth AND linux?
[20:24:00] balkj: kinda know linux
[20:24:00] xris: ok. run xawtv
[20:25:00] xris: (I usually prefer to do such things from a terminal, but you could also just use the window manager's "run" function — alt-f2 in gnome, dunno what in kde, etc)
[20:26:00] balkj: hang one its in ntsc europe
[20:26:00] xris: right-click should give you a menu if there isn't one on screen already
[20:28:00] balkj: i change it but when i restart it but it stays in europe west
[20:28:00] xris: shouldn't need to restart
[20:30:00] balkj: picutre looks horrible
[20:30:00] balkj: on us-cable, and us-cable-hrc
[20:33:00] foobum: hmm?.. does anyone else suffer what sounds like digital clipping with mythmusic?
[20:33:00] balkj: ok goot it to look ok with us-cable, chroma agc on
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[20:34:00] foobum: using a digital out.. xmms plays the same tracks just fine :/
[20:34:00] _Steve_: hi folks, i'm thinking of switching to mythtv from a replaytv, anyone used both and can compare them for me or point to a comparison somewhere?
[20:35:00] xris: afk
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[20:36:00] PatrickDK: steve heh, I use both
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[20:36:00] PatrickDK: replaytv is alot easier to record shows with
[20:36:00] PatrickDK: unless you use mythweb to do it
[20:36:00] PatrickDK: otherwise, well, they both work
[20:36:00] _Steve_: cool, thanks
[20:36:00] PatrickDK: and mythtv can play non-mpeg files
[20:37:00] PatrickDK: I use dvarchive, and host my shows to both replaytv and mythtv
[20:37:00] _Steve_: i'm wondering in particular about commercial advance and sharing between multiple units / internet sharing
[20:37:00] PatrickDK: intnernet sharing?
[20:37:00] PatrickDK: I'm pretty sure that is illegal
[20:38:00] _Steve_: the replay i have has that feature
[20:38:00] PatrickDK: ya, but still illegal
[20:38:00] _Steve_: anyway, i don't use it, i'm just wondering
[20:38:00] PatrickDK: that is why it was taken off the market
[20:38:00] balkj: <PatrickDK> I'm pretty sure that is illegal<------hahahah
[20:38:00] PatrickDK: sharing over the internet is a pain anyways
[20:38:00] _Steve_: replaytv is still on the market
[20:38:00] PatrickDK: steve the 5000 series?
[20:39:00] PatrickDK: I;m pretty sure only the 5500 are made for the last two years
[20:39:00] _Steve_: does mythtv make it pretty easy to move shows around to/from it?
[20:39:00] PatrickDK: no
[20:39:00] PatrickDK: you can use dvarchive to transfer to the myttv computer, and dmp the mpeg into the mythtv video dir
[20:39:00] PatrickDK: but anything beyond that takes db adjustments
[20:40:00] _Steve_: what about transfering from mythtv?
[20:40:00] PatrickDK: only if it's in mpeg2
[20:41:00] PatrickDK: and you run rtvconvert
[20:41:00] PatrickDK: and host it with dvarchive
[20:41:00] _Steve_: you have to run rtvconvert with mythtv?
[20:41:00] PatrickDK: and if you want to transfer the name/metainfo for the program, that takes db access
[20:42:00] PatrickDK: dvarchive and mythtv at same time
[20:42:00] PatrickDK: to do that
[20:42:00]
[20:42:00] _Steve_: ok, i should clarify my question
[20:42:00] PatrickDK: steve, if you asking this many questions, no, you won't be able to
[20:42:00] _Steve_: i'm thinking of getting rid of the replaytv altogether and just using mythtv
[20:43:00] PatrickDK: than use mythtv
[20:43:00] PatrickDK: unless you want to save your replaytv shows
[20:43:00] _Steve_: my question is if i'll have the same features on mythtv as i have on the replay
[20:43:00] PatrickDK: steve, basically yes
[20:43:00] balkj: patrickdk has no people skills damn
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[20:43:00] PatrickDK: balk, I do, I'm just all out
[20:44:00] PatrickDK: I will supply answers
[20:44:00] PatrickDK: but after so many, that is enough :)
[20:44:00] _Steve_: there are others here, so feel free to allow them to respond
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[20:44:00] balkj: na i doubt you do
[20:44:00] briand: PatrickDK: can you help me get my ivtv drivers upgraded?
[20:44:00] PatrickDK: hehe
[20:45:00] Goldfisch2: I have tried to uninstall mythplugins (make uninstall), but the menu options are still shown on mythfrontend. Any ideas on how to get rid of them?
[20:46:00] PatrickDK: maybe it's just that I have been on hold for the last 45min that I'm pissy
[20:46:00] _Steve_: anyone else?
[20:47:00] balkj: probably i shouldnt judge you im sorry
[20:51:00] PatrickDK: judge if you want, I don't mind :)
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[20:56:00] briand: you're probably better off. he got halfway through helping me, changing my system from a relatively stable, yet un-upgraded system, to a completely unstable system. now he ignores me. consider yourself lucky, balkj
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[20:59:00] PatrickDK: all, I said was you needed to reload your ivtvdrivers
[20:59:00] PatrickDK: and you couldn't cause you had X and mythbackend stillrunning
[20:59:00] PatrickDK: so, I didn't touch your system
[20:59:00] PatrickDK: the fact that you installedthe newer untested drivers made your system unstable
[21:00:00] PatrickDK: lastest!=best
[21:01:00] drb: Is there a way to increase the font size in the guide? The font selectors only seem to change the myth menu fonts
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[21:14:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: you there
[21:16:00] GreyFoxx: yup, feeding my daughter
[21:17:00] GreyFoxx: wasup ?
[21:17:00] sphing: you got a sec... I need some help
[21:17:00] sphing: non myth related
[21:18:00] GreyFoxx: not really, but ask anyway
[21:20:00] sphing: i need help trying to emulate a tdm bus over tcp... i'm not exactly sure how to do it... not that you'd know how... just thought u could help
[21:20:00] sphing: nvm... you're busy and this could take a while
[21:20:00] PatrickDK: tdm?
[21:20:00] GreyFoxx: No idea anyway :)
[21:20:00] GreyFoxx: Time Division multiplex
[21:20:00] PatrickDK: ok, wasn't sure
[21:21:00] PatrickDK: there are products that do t1 over tcp
[21:21:00] PatrickDK: but the basic way, is to just each byte from each stream, and just add it after the last one
[21:21:00] PatrickDK: when you restart to first stream, you send that tcp packet
[21:21:00] PatrickDK: and move to next
[21:21:00] sphing: link?
[21:22:00] PatrickDK: for t1 over tcp?
[21:22:00] sphing: yea
[21:22:00] PatrickDK: or for how to program it?
[21:22:00] sphing: PM?
[21:22:00] sphing: can I can pm you?
[21:22:00] PatrickDK: ya
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[21:23:00] pembo13: can anyone tell me how to go about debugging an lirc confiuration?
[21:23:00] sphing: irw
[21:24:00] sphing: run irw and you can see what the remot eis outputting
[21:28:00] bryce_: which linux distro has the best mythtv support?
[21:29:00] ** drb waves to bryce_ **
[21:29:00] pembo13: sphing, thanks
[21:29:00] bryce_: hehe, hey
[21:30:00] drb: bryce_: debian!  :P
[21:30:00] bryce_: drb, I found the *exact* error I am seeing
[21:30:00] drb: doh
[21:30:00] bryce_: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=35256&
[21:30:00] drb: no help?
[21:30:00] bryce_: well, for him it turned out to be a BIOS setting for RAID/SATA type, but I have no such settings in my bios
[21:30:00] bryce_: read it and see if it gives you an idea
[21:31:00] drb: that all sounds like LILO/BIOS issues.
[21:31:00] drb: your kernel actually loads and opens the initrd
[21:31:00] bryce_: drb, I'm actually wondering if maybe gentoo has the best mythtv support... I'm pondering scrapping knoppmyth and just building gentoo on my second drive
[21:32:00] pembo13: sphing: i get "connection refused
[21:32:00] drb: another option is to try a kernel with ata, scsi disk, ext3, all built-in instead of with modules
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[21:32:00] drb: bryce_: well, it's taken me a lot longer than knoppmyth, but my Debian Unstable is working great.
[21:32:00] drb: I'm making my way through the plugins now, lirc settings, etc
[21:32:00] drb: I can't figure out how to make the fonts bigger though.
[21:33:00] drb: the guide and video list fonts are waaaay too small for my tv
[21:34:00] drb: also... mythtv needs sound like the tivo, since it's not very quick to react visually to commands
[21:34:00] bryce_: yeah
[21:35:00] bryce_: yeah I'm just wondering if part of my trouble is that I'm having to learn knopp on top of myth, which is doubling the usual amount of troubles ;-)
[21:36:00] bryce_: do you think that maybe I need some different SATA drivers or something?
[21:36:00] drb: I don't think the problem is the SATA.
[21:36:00] drb: I think the problem is entirely kernel/initrd issues
[21:37:00] drb: Try building all the SCSI, SATA, and ext3 stuff into a kernel and booting without initrd
[21:37:00] bryce_: hmm, I think I already have that
[21:37:00] drb: ugh
[21:37:00] bryce_: yeah all three of those are compiled in
[21:37:00] bryce_: should I try booting without the initrd line?
[21:38:00] Juski: mythtv not very quick to respond? works okay on my Via EPIA10k system... sometimes too damn quick
[21:38:00] bryce_: also, there's a depricated SATA driver (conflicts with libata) option... maybe I could try adding that?
[21:39:00] drb: if sata and scsi disk are compiled in, boot without the initrd
[21:40:00] drb: Juski: I'm working with a 1.2G celery, so it can sometimes be a little sluggish to walk through the menus
[21:40:00] drb: right now, playing back a transcoded avi with a recording running, CPU is at about 49%, which is good.
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[21:41:00] bryce_: hmm, the cdrom just wigged out when I ran lilo. odd
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[21:42:00] bryce_: I like this error message: "irq 18: nobody cared!"
[21:42:00] bryce_: ok booting without initrd
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[21:42:00] drb: bryce_: I'd stick with as many "known working" things that you can. You know the SATA stuff works, etc. I wouldn't switch that stuff. I'd fall back to non-initrd, make sure during boot-up the SATA drivers show stuff, and then make sure you see "sda:" lines from the scsi disk stuff
[21:43:00] bryce_: hmm, still panicked
[21:44:00] drb: did you see SATA initialization?
[21:44:00] bryce_: I'm seeing some errors during bootup about irq 18 (the cdrom)
[21:44:00] drb: (compile the bootup from your new kernel with the working knoppmyth)
[21:45:00] bryce_: I see comments about raid...
[21:45:00] drb: s/compile/compare/
[21:45:00] bryce_: md: raid6 personality registered as nr 8
[21:45:00] drb: nope, you're not using md, so that can be ignored
[21:45:00] bryce_: the error seems to occur right after "md: Autodetecting RAID arrays"
[21:46:00] drb: the panic is "can't mount root device" right?
[21:46:00] drb: you could just turn off all the MD stuff if you want
[21:46:00] bryce_: knoppmyth kernel panic – not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root SATA
[21:46:00] drb: it actually says "SATA" at the end? that's odd.
[21:47:00] sphing: very odd
[21:47:00] bryce_: sorry, no
[21:47:00] bryce_: that was my search terms... actually it says something about device(8,1)
[21:47:00] drb: boot the working knoppmyth and find the SATA init in dmesg after you're up. Then make sure that shows up during your new kernel's boot.
[21:47:00] drb: yeah
[21:47:00] drb: that's the right device, (sda1)
[21:47:00] drb: major/minor 8/1
[21:48:00] drb: so, no one can help me out with font sizes?
[21:48:00] drb: I can barely read this stuff in the guide and in the mythvideo listings area.
[21:48:00] bryce_: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x1F0 ctl 0x3F6 bmdma 0xFFA0 irq 14
[21:49:00] drb: cool. does that show up in both kernel boots?
[21:49:00] bryce_: how do I get the boot messages from the failed boot?
[21:49:00] drb: you watch really closely.  ;)
[21:50:00] bryce_: heh
[21:50:00] PatrickDK: you use serial console :)
[21:50:00] Juski: scroll lock & pause key help ;)
[21:51:00] bryce_: ok, in the successful boot's dmesg, around the point where the failed one fails, I see this:
[21:52:00] bryce_: RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
[21:52:00] drb: Juski: I hadn't tried scrolllock. pgup doesn't work after a panic, though.  :(
[21:52:00] bryce_: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem)
[21:52:00] drb: yup, that's the initrd
[21:52:00] bryce_: kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds
[21:52:00] Juski: oh no.... anybody know if the latest ebuild of mod_php is broken? trying to emerge it now & it's failing... moaning about a missing .h file
[21:52:00] bryce_: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
[21:52:00] PatrickDK: scrolllockis good
[21:52:00] bryce_: VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly
[21:53:00] bryce_: Trying to move old root to /initrd... okay
[21:53:00] bryce_: alright, now for the failed one... lessee what's different.
[21:54:00] bryce_: hmm, boots too fast to read :-)
[21:55:00] bryce_: no love from scroll lock or pause
[21:55:00] drb: see, new computers suck. too much heat; can't read boot messages.  :P
[21:55:00] bryce_: ok, at the point where in the other one it wrote RAMDISK: ... I now see this instead:
[21:56:00] bryce_: VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or unknown-block(8,1)
[21:56:00] bryce_: Please append a correct "root=" boot option
[21:56:00] bryce_: Kernel panic – not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,1)
[21:56:00] drb: I would guess that one or both of SATA or Scsi-disk are not initialized.
[21:57:00] bryce_: this is with no initrd btw
[21:57:00] ** drb nods **
[21:58:00] bryce_: ok, booting without the cdrom this time
[22:00:00] bryce_: ok I've booted it several times and I think there's no mention of SCSI or sata
[22:01:00] ** drb nods **
[22:01:00] bryce_: however there's a chunk of messages that just scroll by too fast so I'm only about 80% sure
[22:01:00] drb: sata should at least pause to init
[22:04:00] bryce_: hmm... I see one line from the scrolled off bits
[22:05:00] bryce_: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05
[22:05:00] bryce_: so maybe that fast scrolling stuff is the SCSI output
[22:05:00] drb: that's good. means the sata has initialized.
[22:05:00] bryce_: there is definitely a pause right before it scrolls, so maybe that's when sata is initting
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[22:05:00] drb: if that line isn't followed by "sda: ...." stuff then the SCSI Disk stuff isn't compiled in yet.
[22:07:00] bryce_: it's followed by a line about the mouse, then the md/raid stuff
[22:08:00] bryce_: hmm, if I could suppress the output from the raid/md stuff I might see more of the messages
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[22:14:00] bryce_: hmm this is interesting
[22:14:00] bryce_: in kernel config under SATA support there is a line for Intel PIIX/ICH SATA support, marked as compiled in
[22:15:00] bryce_: but in the description it specifies this enables support for ICH5 SATA
[22:15:00] bryce_: whereas in lshw this machine is using ICH6 SATA
[22:15:00] drb: but your boot-up already shows that it's finding the SATA bus, right?
[22:15:00] drb: so you know that's working.
[22:16:00] drb: is scsi disk support compiled in?
[22:17:00] bryce_: yeah
[22:17:00] drb: hmpf
[22:21:00] bryce_: hmm, in googling a bit on this error message, I notice several mentions from people who have two sda devices seeing this message
[22:27:00] sphing: bryce_: whats your exact problem
[22:28:00] bryce_: the default knoppmyth kernel boots and works ok
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[22:29:00] bryce_: however that version of the kernel does not have support for my audio card
[22:29:00] bryce_: thus I am attempting to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.13.3
[22:29:00] bryce_: I am using the same initial .config as from the working kernel (taken from /proc/config.gz)
[22:29:00] sphing: "upgrading" how
[22:30:00] bryce_: then run make menuconfig on that .config, and saving without making any changes)
[22:30:00] bryce_: recompile, install, update lilo, rerun mkinitrd, etc.
[22:30:00] bryce_: reboot, and then it panics with the following error message:
[22:30:00] bryce_: Kernel panic – not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknonw-block(8,1)
[22:31:00] sphing: bryce_: go back to kernel src for the new kernel
[22:31:00] bryce_: the hardware I'm installing on is an ASUS mb with Intel ICH6 chipset, two SATA maxtor drives, and two pvr250's
[22:31:00] sphing: and do a make mrproper
[22:31:00] sphing: then copy the .config back over
[22:31:00] sphing: and do make oldconfig
[22:32:00] bryce_: ok
[22:32:00] sphing: this is your frontend and backend
[22:33:00] bryce_: actually it will only be the backend
[22:33:00] bryce_: so in theory I probably don't need the soundcard
[22:33:00] sphing: i know but nothing bothers me more than when i ask for help and people say o forget it you dont need
[22:33:00] bryce_: however, we found that mythtv was not handling a no-audio card situation very well
[22:34:00] sphing: my backend has no soundcard
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[22:42:00] bryce_: why make oldconfig instead of make menuconfig?
[22:43:00] jonK: make oldconfig will take all of the old settings, and only pause on the new ones that are available for the old kernel
[22:44:00] jonK: you can do the same with menuconfig, but you won't know what's specifically new for the kernel upgrade
[22:44:00] jonK: *that are NOT availble for the old kernel
[22:45:00] rage-: I've had kernels fail using oldconfig
[22:46:00] rage-: I make oldconfig, make and they error on compile... I remove .config and make clean and menuconfig, and it works
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[22:48:00] bryce_: hmm, well didn't see anything interesting other than the audio card driver that I'm shooting to get
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[23:02:00] sphing: bryce
[23:02:00] sphing: make the kernel
[23:02:00] sphing: without any changes
[23:02:00] sphing: and try to boot it
[23:02:00] bryce_: it's compiling now. make mrproper deleted all of the previously compiled stuff so it has to recompile everything
[23:03:00] sphing: yea... i should have warned... sorry about that
[23:03:00] bryce_: well I knew it would do that...  ;-)
[23:03:00] bryce_: I was just curious why in particular you thought this was needed though
[23:04:00] bryce_: just sanity check, or do you suspect something specific?
[23:04:00] sphing: i think when you made menuconfig
[23:04:00] sphing: something didnt make correctly
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[23:11:00] cosmo_: hey everyone, about what is the success rate of commericial detection that people experience? Anyone use automatic commerical skip always without issues?
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[23:18:00] sphing: cosmo_: its pretty good
[23:18:00] sphing: a number... 70–80% its correct
[23:18:00] redfox_away: cosmo_, it works really well for me
[23:18:00] sphing: some channels work better than others
[23:18:00] redfox_away: I usually check it before transcoding though
[23:19:00] bryce_: sphing, mkinitrd reports a warning regarding sd_mod
[23:19:00] bryce_: rebooting...
[23:19:00] sphing: why do you need an initrd?
[23:19:00] bryce_: yup, same error as before
[23:19:00] rage-: checking a 30 minute show and fine tuning only takes like 2 minutes before transcoding
[23:20:00] bryce_: sphing, knoppmyth comes configured to use initrd; in the theory of change as few things as possible I kept it
[23:20:00] sphing: rage-: whats your fine tuning?
[23:20:00] bryce_: I've also verified that the sata,ide,etc. stuff is compiled into the kernel and booted it without initrd, but same issue.
[23:20:00] sphing: whats the error message
[23:21:00] bryce_: Kernel panic – not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,1)
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[23:21:00] st0rmy: will mythtv work without an epg?
[23:21:00] rage-: sphing, I mean adjusting the cutmarks to the exact point between show/commercial
[23:22:00] rage-: sphing, and making sure the commercials are marked right
[23:22:00] rage-: had one the other day that was inverted (it started marking in the middle of a show, and stopped at the beginning of a commercial)
[23:24:00] sphing: how do you do that i'd like to fine tune mine
[23:25:00] rage-: go into edit mode, load in the auto-marked commercials, then move them around
[23:26:00] rage-: use the left/right arrows to move around, up/down to adjust how much you move at once, and enter to alter/create/delete marks
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[23:31:00] sphing: ahh cool... didnt know that
[23:36:00] bryce_: drb, do you think I'd need to upgrade initrd-tools ?
[23:38:00] sphing: rage-: what do you transcode to
[23:40:00] rage-: mpeg4 or w/e
[23:41:00] sphing: whats the compression %?
[23:42:00] rage-: I used default params and 500mb went to 300 i think'
[23:42:00] rage-: or 400
[23:43:00] rage-: er no
[23:44:00] kwatz: what would be the correct way to edit the names of games found by mythgame? is there a file i can touch up somewhere?
[23:44:00] sphing: 500 to 400... thats it
[23:46:00] kwatz: ah, nevermind
[23:46:00] FITH: Hmm, I'm updating a box that's about a year old... and I've noticed the latest ivtv drivers (0.3.9or 0.4.0-stable) don't compile ivtv_fb, do newer setups use the PVR350 without a framebuffer (X directly on it), or am I missing something?
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[23:57:00] bryce_: drb, got a bit more info on the scsi errors: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0x177
[23:57:00] bryce_: ata2: disabiling port
[23:57:00] bryce_: scsi1 : ata_piix

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