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| [00:13:00] | Akka: | Hey the best pvr card to get for this is the PVR 350 on newegg right? |
| [00:13:00] | Akka: | or at least the most compatible |
| [00:14:00] | Krazylegz: | Depends on what you want to do. |
| [00:15:00] | Akka: | pretty much just basic use. it has two coax inputs so i assume i can record and watch a different channel. pretty much just for the viewing guide and record shows from time to time |
| [00:15:00] | Beirdo: | bad assumption |
| [00:15:00] | Beirdo: | one's FM radio |
| [00:15:00] | Krazylegz: | No, it has only one input. |
| [00:16:00] | Akka: | thats completely pointless then |
| [00:16:00] | FunkyELF: | any gentoo users in here? |
| [00:16:00] | Krazylegz: | Me. |
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| [00:16:00] | Krazylegz: | Akka: PVR-500 has two inputs. |
| [00:16:00] | Akka: | what about the 500? it is cheaper for some reaosn on newegg |
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| [00:16:00] | Akka: | it has two inputs from what it said |
| [00:16:00] | FunkyELF: | Krazylegz, should I emerge mythtv or use a tar? |
| [00:17:00] | Krazylegz: | Akka: You need to read this: http://hauppauge.com/pages/compare_pvr.html . |
| [00:18:00] | jhoke: | And dont forget there are two pvr500's ... one with a remote and one with FM Tuner |
| [00:18:00] | jhoke: | :) |
| [00:18:00] | Akka: | well the one on new egg said two receivers |
| [00:18:00] | FunkyELF: | I was gona ask about the 500 too....I got one, haven't installed myth yet, but the bracket on the card says one input is tv the other if fm and its supposed to have dual tuners. Does it split the signal on the card itself? |
| [00:18:00] | Krazylegz: | FunkyELF: Use this: http://home.comcast.net/~alf_park/mythtv.html . |
| [00:19:00] | Beirdo: | yes, it splits on the card |
| [00:19:00] | FunkyELF: | Beirdo, cool, you have one? |
| [00:19:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [00:19:00] | Beirdo: | I have 3 PVR250s |
| [00:19:00] | Krazylegz: | Beirdo is a geek. |
| [00:20:00] | Beirdo: | and I still have conflicts |
| [00:20:00] | jhoke: | LOL |
| [00:20:00] | jhoke: | Beirdo, I think I am gonna have to install a 500 to avoid conflicts (150 and 250 currently)' |
| [00:20:00] | orb_rox: | Beirdo: remove your 'Paid Programming' schedule, maybe that'll help ;) |
| [00:21:00] | Akka: | yeah the PVR-500 on newegg is 138 but yet no remote |
| [00:21:00] | jhoke: | Akka, no biggie... my Front End wont have any cards in it ... will need a seperate remote anyway... speaking of which... anyone have suggestions? |
| [00:22:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, I gotta go |
| [00:22:00] | jhoke: | have fun Beirdo... nighters |
| [00:22:00] | Akka: | Likewise. however i dont plan on the whole front end backend thing. im just going to use one of my comps and hook her to the tv |
| [00:22:00] | Akka: | call it good |
| [00:23:00] | Beirdo: | seeya in a while |
| [00:23:00] | jhoke: | Akka, thats what I am doing now.. but when I get the FE enclosure ... it will connect to BE via gigabit ethernet and *hope* to have it as a diskless system (read cool and quiet) |
| [00:24:00] | Akka: | well that is true. but im just looking at simplicity |
| [00:24:00] | Akka: | Also doesnt the PVR-500MCE have driver issues? |
| [00:24:00] | jhoke: | Heh... simplicity is the antithesis of my existence :) |
| [00:24:00] | Akka: | Haha |
| [00:25:00] | jhoke: | Akka, dont thinkso ...should be seen as 2 150's ... (the FM Tuner wont work AFAIK) |
| [00:26:00] | Akka: | oh darn no fm tuner |
| [00:26:00] | jhoke: | what I need to do is find a way to combine my home automation system with mythtv for recording ... but thats another non-simple issue all together :) |
| [00:26:00] | Akka: | woe is me |
| [00:26:00] | jhoke: | Akka: LOL ... Exactly... dont care about FM... I listen to Sirius Radio online when I want music... or one of my 150+gb of mp3s :-D |
| [00:27:00] | Akka: | here's something else if it picks them up as 2 150s. i thought 150s werent the best quality. like bootleg vcd rips |
| [00:28:00] | jhoke: | akka, i think my 150 is better quality than my 250 (slightly) but the 250 is a bit long in the tooth... |
| [00:28:00] | FunkyELF: | Krazylegz, so is that guide still pretty out of date? |
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| [00:28:00] | jhoke: | perfect? no... but good enough for WAF(tm) |
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| [00:28:00] | Akka: | i see. So whats an estimated viewing quality? for like live tv and or recording? |
| [00:29:00] | Akka: | cause i plan on using my old Althon 1.1ghz with a gig of ram for this project |
| [00:29:00] | Krazylegz: | FunkyELF: No idea. I just have that bookmarked. |
| [00:29:00] | Krazylegz: | Isn't there a #gentoo-mythtv or someting? |
| [00:29:00] | FunkyELF: | apparently |
| [00:30:00] | ruiner: | my picture quality is pretty low on my tv card, noticeably lower than when i had the same card running under windows....is there any way to make adjustments that would improve it? |
| [00:30:00] | jhoke: | Akka: its damn good on my computer LCD monitor... havent hooked it to my TV yet, so I dont want to say (yet)... but it is much better than the bootlegs :) |
| [00:30:00] | Alien88: | akka: that's what i have.. w/ a pvr350 |
| [00:30:00] | Alien88: | ruin: check your bitrate settings under recording profiles for livetv? |
| [00:30:00] | Akka: | yeah i was going to invest in a 350 however it has a damned fm tuner |
| [00:30:00] | ruiner: | Alien88, ok, what should they be? |
| [00:30:00] | jhoke: | lol |
| [00:31:00] | jhoke: | brb |
| [00:33:00] | Akka: | aight if i do get a pvr with one input that means i can only reord what i watch. that kindof sucks dishing 170 for two 350s |
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| [00:33:00] | Akka: | 170 a pop |
| [00:33:00] | Alien88: | ruiner: assuming ntsc, try setting the size to 720x480 and increasing both bitrates somewhat until you're satisfied |
| [00:33:00] | Krazylegz: | Why can't you do the PVR-500? |
| [00:34:00] | Akka: | i can but im fretting what the quality would be |
| [00:36:00] | jonK: | I've had great quality with the 500's (and have a 350 in the same box) |
| [00:36:00] | ruiner: | thanks |
| [00:36:00] | Krazylegz: | Why wouldn't the quality be good? PVR-500 is the same as 2 PVR-150s. |
| [00:36:00] | Akka: | yeah i heard 150s erent the grestest looking |
| [00:37:00] | Krazylegz: | I guess you could get a frame grabber and use that then. |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | there is nothing wrong with the quality of the 150's |
| [00:38:00] | Krazylegz: | Besides, if you up the bitrate, the 150 should be fine. |
| [00:38:00] | Alien88: | the 500 has the same mpeg chipset as the 250's |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Besides, you are recording analog cable. It's not so special as it is |
| [00:38:00] | Alien88: | and the 150's |
| [00:38:00] | Alien88: | and yeah, as grey said |
| [00:39:00] | Akka: | Well i suppose that is true. |
| [00:40:00] | Alien88: | i capture from my digital cable box which is nice |
| [00:40:00] | Akka: | What about the sound issue? on the PVR-500mce it has composite inputs but i read no outs |
| [00:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | The only one of the PVR cards with any "outputs" is the 350 |
| [00:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | the others are all input only |
| [00:41:00] | Akka: | So pretty much toss my sound blaster in as well for audio? |
| [00:41:00] | Krazylegz: | You may not actually want to use the PVR-350 output. |
| [00:42:00] | Krazylegz: | PVR-350 does MPEG2 A/V output. |
| [00:42:00] | Akka: | and some sort of video out for video? |
| [00:42:00] | Alien88: | and the 350 output sucks |
| [00:42:00] | Krazylegz: | No. |
| [00:42:00] | Krazylegz: | MPEG2 ONLY. |
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| [00:45:00] | Akka: | okay what about this. PVR-500, Sound Blaster sound, ati Tv Wonder? |
| [00:45:00] | Krazylegz: | Might want NVidia. |
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| [00:47:00] | Akka: | im not really a total noob im pretty computer saavy im just trying to get answers and a good setup before i buy anything. what would be a good setup? |
| [00:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | If you are looking for what would be general be the least trouble and do the job well? PVR250, Nvidia video+tvout, Nforce2 motherboard with onboard sound |
| [00:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | But finding 250's is not as easy these days |
| [00:50:00] | Krazylegz: | http://compuplus.com/i-Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-25 . . . uppauge.html |
| [00:51:00] | FITH: | Hmm, I'm getting pretty clean output from my 350 here... Better then the testing I did with the output straight from my M10000 |
| [00:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | But support for the 150's is pretty good these days so they should be fine too |
| [00:52:00] | Alien88: | fif: sure, but you wont be able to play xvids and other stuff using the 350's output |
| [00:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | Alien88: Actually yeah you can these days |
| [00:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | they have add XV support which works prettywell to the drivers |
| [00:52:00] | Alien88: | ooooh |
| [00:52:00] | Alien88: | they did? |
| [00:52:00] | Alien88: | thats what held me up a while ago |
| [00:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup a while ago now |
| [00:53:00] | Alien88: | i wound up getting a nvidia card instead |
| [00:53:00] | Alien88: | interesting.. maybe i'll have to play with that |
| [00:53:00] | Alien88: | the hardware mpeg decoder would be nice |
| [00:53:00] | Akka: | well i was looking to use my amptron board with my athlon 1.1ghz 1 gig of ram. machine. i imagine i can get a fairly cheap video card with tv out and the pvr 500 |
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| [00:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | That's still the most flexible choice as the XV support isn't "perfect" and you get no 3d support if you want that |
| [00:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | And the nvidia cards have mpeg decoders if you wanna use them |
| [00:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | Akka: sounds fine |
| [00:54:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, you'll probably only be decoding one thing at a time, so I figured a software decoder would be okay. |
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| [00:55:00] | FITH: | Hmm, yeah, I've been using it just for MPEG2 playback... Heck I'm still using an ancient ivtv driver... I need to get everything upgraded so I can try the XV support and watch non-MPEG2 streams again :) |
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| [00:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | I used a 350 for a few days. It wasn't really very different from my nvidia cards video quality wise |
| [00:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | But I could see it being useful if I was really low on CPIU |
| [00:58:00] | FITH: | How safe should I feel upgrading from 0.16 to 0.18.1? (Safe in terms of losing stored programs and/or mucking up the DB?) As a side complication I'm going from hand compiled code, to the .deb's in unstable |
| [00:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | the upgrade "should |
| [00:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | " be fine. But I don't use packages of any sort, nor have I jumped more than 1 version at a time :) |
| [01:00:00] | FITH: | Hmm... I'll probably just duplicate the NFS root for my mythTV box just in case. (And then in all my spare time build another slave backend with some more tuners :) Heh! |
| [01:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | and do a mysqldump of your DB |
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| [01:11:00] | MrRagga: | hi, where does mythtv save the user and pw for the mysql db? -> Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
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| [01:12:00] | MrSpiffy: | mr-david, default is currently in /.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [01:13:00] | MrSpiffy: | or |
| [01:13:00] | MrSpiffy: | ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [01:13:00] | MrSpiffy: | or |
| [01:13:00] | MrSpiffy: | /var/lib/mythtv/ |
| [01:14:00] | mchou: | anyone here have a Fusion 5? |
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| [01:27:00] | eiggirC: | arse = my PVR-150 is another five days away. Bastard suppliers.... *cry* |
| [01:34:00] | Skaface: | woohoo, its my birthday today! |
| [01:35:00] | Krazylegs: | Happy birthday. |
| [01:36:00] | Skaface: | thanks :) |
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| [01:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Is there driver support for the hardware you want to use ? |
| [01:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
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| [01:52:00] | LedHed: | what is a good channel for general linux questions? |
| [01:52:00] | Agrajag-: | #yourdistro |
| [01:52:00] | LedHed: | thanks |
| [01:52:00] | Agrajag-: | or just #linux |
| [01:53:00] | LedHed: | tried that one. didnt exist |
| [01:53:00] | LedHed: | correction I just typed it wrong... lol |
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| [01:58:00] | Jazbo: | So I deleted some .nuv recordings manually (rm) but they're still showing up in mythfront end and I cant delete them through the frontend I guess 'cause the files aren't there. Anyone have a nice command for fixing the database? |
| [01:59:00] | Krazylegs: | How about touching the files, then deleting them? |
| [02:00:00] | Jazbo: | touching? |
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| [02:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | touch filename.ext |
| [02:00:00] | PaulWay: | You'll have to know the file name, which is something like channelid_startdate_enddate.nuv |
| [02:00:00] | Krazylegs: | touch GreyFoxx.nuv |
| [02:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | creates a blank file of that name if one doesn't exist. If it already exists it updates the timestamp on the file to now |
| [02:01:00] | Jazbo: | aha |
| [02:01:00] | PaulWay: | But if you look in the mythfrontend log, you'll find a line like "can't delete __________.nuv" |
| [02:01:00] | PaulWay: | and just copy and paste from there. |
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| [02:01:00] | dft: | wo |
| [02:02:00] | LedHed: | when I go to other channels it asks me to register my nick. but its already registered, so I Identify it and it says wrong password. But its not wrong. Has someone else taken my username and registered it? |
| [02:03:00] | PaulWay: | Are you on a different machine? |
| [02:03:00] | LedHed: | no this is the only computer I'm on using IRC |
| [02:04:00] | PaulWay: | I dunno – I've registered my nick, but from another machine |
| [02:04:00] | Agrajag-: | either you're entering the wrong password or someone else has registered it |
| [02:04:00] | LedHed: | how do I change my nick? |
| [02:05:00] | Agrajag-: | /nick newnick |
| [02:05:00] | LedHed: | thanks |
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| [02:08:00] | Garf`: | I have a Scientific Atlanta Cable box that outputs cable via S-Video into my PVR-500. I'm not sure exactly where I plug it into my PVR-500 and I'm also not sure what settings need to be modified in mythtv-setup. (video0/s-video1 or 2, video1/s-video1 or2). |
| [02:11:00] | Led-hed: | just use the coax |
| [02:11:00] | Led-hed: | ;) |
| [02:11:00] | Garf`: | Led-hed: i can't if i want my HD channels |
| [02:11:00] | Led-hed: | ah |
| [02:11:00] | Garf`: | the cable box decrypts channels 100–1000. |
| [02:11:00] | FITH: | Hmm... time to get caught up on a years worth of ivtv updates :-/ |
| [02:12:00] | Garf`: | and 82(HBO) etc... |
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| [02:17:00] | Led-hed: | Beirdo would be proud, I'm replacing a Windows Web/Mail server with Linux... |
| [02:17:00] | FITH: | Is there an ivtv irc channel, or is it just the mailinglist? |
| [02:18:00] | FITH: | i.e. there doesn't seem to be a #ivtv |
| [02:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | #ivtv-dev |
| [02:18:00] | FITH: | Doh. Thanks :) |
| [02:19:00] | Garf`: | GreyFoxx: Do you know the answer to my question? |
| [02:22:00] | toresbe: | okay... |
| [02:23:00] | toresbe: | When it asks for channel number, just like xawtv |
| [02:23:00] | toresbe: | does it mean the frequency-indicating kiund? |
| [02:23:00] | toresbe: | kind* |
| [02:23:00] | toresbe: | like CH8, where NRK1 is... |
| [02:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | Garf`: I don't quite understand the question. In one sentence you say it connects to the 500 via svideo but the next you say you don't know where to plug it in :) |
| [02:23:00] | toresbe: | And also, what prefix should I use? |
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| [02:24:00] | toresbe: | I'm running populatedb --manual, tbw |
| [02:24:00] | toresbe: | btw* |
| [02:24:00] | toresbe: | lord, I'm tired. |
| [02:25:00] | toresbe: | anyone? |
| [02:26:00] | Garf`: | GreyFoxx: im using an svideo cable (but the pvr-500 has dual tuners/composite inputs/svideo inputs) |
| [02:26:00] | Garf`: | So I'm not sure which s-video slot it goes into, I tried both, then messed around with settings in mythtv-setup no avail. |
| [02:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | You get to pick which it goes it. It's completely up to you |
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| [02:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | Then you just need to determine which one that way |
| [02:27:00] | SlicerDicer-: | GreyFoxx, I bet he has not set it so the svideo input is selected I bet he has the coax input selected :) |
| [02:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | although I am not up to speed |
| [02:28:00] | Garf`: | SlicerDicer-: nope ;) |
| [02:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Garf`, well then nevermind :) |
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| [02:28:00] | Garf`: | Theres nothing to really be up to speed about, my first message is up at about 8:10 EDT |
| [02:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [02:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I use svideo from my cablebox |
| [02:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | thats what I did wrong with the ivtv drivers is I did not select the proper input for svideo |
| [02:29:00] | Skaface: | is it even worth running high definition over s-video? |
| [02:29:00] | toresbe: | anyone know the answer? |
| [02:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont run HD over svideo |
| [02:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | well, if it's passing over svideo it wont be HD |
| [02:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | it will be scaled down to Standard Def |
| [02:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | BUT it would still be a cleaner signal than regular coax |
| [02:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | thats why I use it GreyFoxx :) cleaner signal |
| [02:31:00] | NightMonkey: | Alien88: You said that the 350 output sucks. Can you elaborate? |
| [02:32:00] | Garf`: | It doesn't matter, thats the ONLY way I can get my HD channels anyways... |
| [02:33:00] | NightMonkey: | Alien88: I get perfect reprudiction with my 350. Digital Sat + Svideo input and output – great clarity and sharpness. |
| [02:33:00] | NightMonkey: | Alien88: However, I do have high bitrates, relative to Tivos and such. |
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| [02:37:00] | toresbe: | arghh! |
| [02:37:00] | toresbe: | Does anyone know how to get to the Scan For Channels(s) button in mythtv-setup? |
| [02:37:00] | toresbe: | It's inaccessible! |
| [02:38:00] | toresbe: | ah |
| [02:38:00] | PatrickDK: | not possible |
| [02:38:00] | ** toresbe unhides the mouse ** | |
| [02:38:00] | PatrickDK: | it doesn't work |
| [02:39:00] | toresbe: | why is it there? |
| [02:39:00] | PatrickDK: | cause it might work one day |
| [02:39:00] | toresbe: | O_o |
| [02:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | Uhhh |
| [02:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | It works for me |
| [02:39:00] | PatrickDK: | well, maybe for svn it works |
| [02:39:00] | PatrickDK: | hmm, doesn't in 0.18 for me |
| [02:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | It worked for me in 0.18 as well |
| [02:40:00] | PatrickDK: | only for atsc or something? |
| [02:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | In fact I've never noticed it greyed out. BUT I've only looked at it a time or 2 |
| [02:40:00] | PatrickDK: | I am sure in 0.18 it was grayed out |
| [02:40:00] | PatrickDK: | and in svn, it won't lt me click it |
| [02:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | Definately scans for DVB, not sure about software cards or pvr's |
| [02:40:00] | PatrickDK: | but that may just be my setup |
| [02:40:00] | toresbe: | Doesn't look greyed out |
| [02:40:00] | toresbe: | anyway |
| [02:40:00] | toresbe: | How do I set up the freqs manually |
| [02:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | I thought I saw someone say it scans for analog cable as well |
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| [02:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I've never tried so that could be wrong |
| [02:41:00] | toresbe: | I've got the sheet with the freqs for my cable operator |
| [02:41:00] | toresbe: | in both MHz and channel number |
| [02:41:00] | toresbe: | How can I enter them in MHz? |
| [02:41:00] | PatrickDK: | you really don't want to use mhz |
| [02:41:00] | PatrickDK: | you want to use channel number if possible |
| [02:42:00] | toresbe: | why don't I? |
| [02:42:00] | PatrickDK: | just add channel |
| [02:42:00] | PatrickDK: | hmm, I'm not sure if you can enter the freq in manually |
| [02:42:00] | toresbe: | ok, how do I check which chan-to-freq it is using? |
| [02:42:00] | toresbe: | I'm in Norway, which is neither europe-east nor europe-west |
| [02:42:00] | PatrickDK: | where are you? |
| [02:43:00] | toresbe: | I mean, it's neither East nor West Europe |
| [02:43:00] | PatrickDK: | well, worst case, is setup a channel |
| [02:43:00] | orb_rox: | you can fine-tine in mythtv-setup, channel editor |
| [02:43:00] | PatrickDK: | and just change it, till it is the riht channel |
| [02:43:00] | PatrickDK: | if you don't find one that is right, you will have to do per freq |
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| [02:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | toresbe: I've never tried manually. I see the info in the data base. But you can edit the FREQ in the channel editor for a channel already in the system |
| [02:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | Many people in .no and other areas either enter or edit them manually |
| [02:44:00] | toresbe: | where's the freq? |
| [02:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | Second page of the channel settings |
| [02:45:00] | toresbe: | Frequency ID? |
| [02:45:00] | toresbe: | Can I just insert a MHz freq there? |
| [02:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | I believe so |
| [02:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | One quick way for you to find out :) |
| [02:46:00] | toresbe: | Segmentation fault |
| [02:46:00] | toresbe: | yay! |
| [02:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [02:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | I wonder if anyone has a .no or other FAQ or howto on do it manually |
| [02:46:00] | toresbe: | Google doesn't think so |
| [02:46:00] | toresbe: | I'm writing a .no-UPC howto |
| [02:47:00] | toresbe: | If I live through this, that is :) |
| [02:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [02:47:00] | ** toresbe is deeead tired ** | |
| [02:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | try the -users mailing list. There have got to be a few people from .no there |
| [02:47:00] | toresbe: | Bah, I hate using mailing lists :P |
| [02:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | you will hit a much bigger audience |
| [02:48:00] | toresbe: | I prefer the instant feedback of IRC :) |
| [02:48:00] | toresbe: | Yeah, I guess. |
| [02:48:00] | toresbe: | I'll do that when I'm back from the summerhouse |
| [02:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | instant "I don't know" or wait a couple hours for "this is how:" :) |
| [02:48:00] | toresbe: | Thanks for your help, man :) |
| [02:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | np |
| [02:48:00] | toresbe: | btw, the MHz field |
| [02:48:00] | toresbe: | should I suffix it with MHz? |
| [02:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | seriously I've never used it. Might even be an entry in the mythtv.org docs about it |
| [02:49:00] | SqWaw: | k |
| [02:49:00] | SqWaw: | woops |
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| [02:50:00] | SqWaw: | Can someone paste the question I (garf`) asked before...? |
| [02:50:00] | PatrickDK: | <SqWaw> Can someone paste the question I (garf`) asked before...? |
| [02:51:00] | toresbe: | okay |
| [02:52:00] | PaulWay: | toresbe: I've had to input frequencies as Hertz readings. Lots of zeros |
| [02:52:00] | toresbe: | I need to sleep on this :) |
| [02:52:00] | PaulWay: | But that was for DVB |
| [02:52:00] | toresbe: | PaulWay: oh, I see |
| [02:52:00] | toresbe: | as Hertz... |
| [02:52:00] | PaulWay: | (That's where you get to use the Scan For Channels button) |
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| [02:52:00] | toresbe: | This UI really needs a touchup |
| [02:52:00] | toresbe: | extremely confusing labels and prompts |
| [02:52:00] | PaulWay: | Mmmmm. |
| [02:52:00] | PaulWay: | And you can't delete things. |
| [02:52:00] | PatrickDK: | heh :) |
| [02:52:00] | toresbe: | Please write an extremely important number here: |
| [02:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | Actually it does hay hertz |
| [02:53:00] | PatrickDK: | I wish I could delete encoders |
| [02:53:00] | mchou: | huh??? |
| [02:53:00] | PaulWay: | toresbe: 3.1415926535897932384626433 |
| [02:53:00] | toresbe: | GreyFoxx: It doesn't here |
| [02:53:00] | PatrickDK: | s/write/type/g |
| [02:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | toresbe: It could very well have been updated after 0.18. |
| [02:53:00] | mchou: | toresbe: what UI are you referring to? |
| [02:54:00] | PaulWay: | Theoretically, you're supposed to be able to delete channels and sources in 0.18 by hitting the D key but I've had no luck doing that. |
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| [02:54:00] | mchou: | sure you can do that |
| [02:54:00] | mchou: | dunno what you problem is |
| [02:54:00] | mchou: | your* |
| [02:54:00] | PaulWay: | OK, maybe I tried originally in 0.17. It'd still be nice if it was in the actual interface. |
| [02:54:00] | toresbe: | Well, this time it didn't segv :) |
| [02:55:00] | PaulWay: | yah! |
| [02:55:00] | toresbe: | mchou: mythtv-setup, the channel thing |
| [02:55:00] | PaulWay: | s/yah/yay/ |
| [02:55:00] | toresbe: | it displays static |
| [02:55:00] | mchou: | toresbe: what specifically about the channels?? |
| [02:57:00] | toresbe: | mchou: I want to enter the frequency in MHz |
| [02:57:00] | mchou: | so? |
| [02:57:00] | toresbe: | mchou: I cannot find a place to do that |
| [02:57:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [02:57:00] | toresbe: | THere's a field here called Frequency ID |
| [02:57:00] | PatrickDK: | enter it in hertz |
| [02:58:00] | toresbe: | I have |
| [02:58:00] | toresbe: | I get static, but no segvs |
| [02:58:00] | mchou: | so? that means it's working |
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| [02:59:00] | mchou: | and why the hell would you need to enter frequency anyways? |
| [02:59:00] | mchou: | use fine tuning if you need to. |
| [03:00:00] | mchou: | you dont like the ui then use mysql..... |
| [03:01:00] | PatrickDK: | heh, I use mysql alot to change things |
| [03:01:00] | PatrickDK: | key mappings, add shows, and new recorded shows |
| [03:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | Jesus |
| [03:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | He's allowed to have an opinion |
| [03:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | don't be an ass |
| [03:02:00] | PatrickDK: | we are borg :) |
| [03:02:00] | PatrickDK: | oh well, have to help the baby now |
| [03:02:00] | toresbe: | mchou: The reason I need to enter freq is that the Norwegian channels are off from the ones in tvtime |
| [03:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | My daughter is in my help "helping" me type |
| [03:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | lap |
| [03:03:00] | PatrickDK: | heh, mine likes to do that, but only for 2 min |
| [03:03:00] | PatrickDK: | but she is only 6 months |
| [03:03:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: he is allowed to have an informed opinion, not some clueless bs..... |
| [03:03:00] | PatrickDK: | have to give her medication |
| [03:04:00] | toresbe: | OMG YES!! |
| [03:04:00] | toresbe: | it's in KHz! |
| [03:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: He is saying he would prefer the interface to be in another form. That is not clueless |
| [03:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | We are all all little automatons that think everything about the interface is perfect and never needs to change or be improved |
| [03:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | not that is ;) |
| [03:06:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: huh? like Mhz vs. Khz??? |
| [03:06:00] | mchou: | he is welcome to submit a patch |
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| [03:06:00] | toresbe: | It works!! |
| [03:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: you pounce on EVERYONE who says there is something they don't like about Myth. and frankly it's annoying |
| [03:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I LOVE myth, but it's not perfect |
| [03:07:00] | toresbe: | Attitude increases as knowlegde decreases |
| [03:07:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: BS. Show me another instance where I hammered on someone on myth. |
| [03:07:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hey mchou got a moment that I can pm you |
| [03:07:00] | purplefrog: | I have gone numb from chasing links. Anyone have a quick clue how to get my PCHDTV2000 on-line? I think I have to load firmware, but have no clue how that is done. |
| [03:07:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: back it up with data |
| [03:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | toresbe: Actually I think my coworker has a poister that says something like that heh |
| [03:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: I don't care enough to go searching the log bot. However if you would like I'll start from now on making note of it |
| [03:08:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: I dont think myth is perfect, but I dont make vague complaints..... |
| [03:09:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: which is why I asked toresbe to elaborate |
| [03:09:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: then quit making generalizations that you cant back up. |
| [03:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | Oh please. |
| [03:10:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: please yourself |
| [03:10:00] | SlicerDicer-: | GreyFoxx, I think the proper response is what he said above if he does not like something make a patch and submit it. If its good it will more than likely be put in otherwise I dont really see it being put in unless its 100% needed for function or somebody does it for fun. |
| [03:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, anytime someone feels anbother person is acting like ajerk they need a journal of every instance |
| [03:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | SlicerDicer-: Now to a big degree I agree with that |
| [03:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | if you really want something to be different patch it |
| [03:11:00] | dhofstra: | please, the #mythtv forum is for 'if you dont like it make a patch' responses, this is still the user channel |
| [03:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | very true :) |
| [03:12:00] | dhofstra: | its like the same conversation going on in here since I checked in last 3 months ago .. heh |
| [03:12:00] | SlicerDicer-: | dhofstra, yep people helping people and discussing random things all support channels are like that ;) |
| [03:13:00] | dhofstra: | about 1 year ago, you couldnt tell this channel from #ivtv |
| [03:13:00] | mchou: | dhofstra: that's cause clueless ppl keep on bitching about shit instead of making SPECIFIC improvements |
| [03:13:00] | toresbe: | uh |
| [03:13:00] | NightMonkey: | Certainly telling new users to "make a patch" when they have trouble finding a button doesn't make for great help for users. |
| [03:13:00] | toresbe: | I did offer something specific |
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| [03:13:00] | toresbe: | I said that the frequency entry field was horribly mislabeled |
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| [03:14:00] | toresbe: | "Frequency ID"?! That's not even what is supposed to go in there! |
| [03:14:00] | dhofstra: | toresbe, isnt the 2nd page of the channel setup have a place for frequencies? |
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| [03:14:00] | toresbe: | "frequency in Khz" or something. |
| [03:14:00] | mchou: | toresbe: lol, I dont recall you saying that..... |
| [03:14:00] | toresbe: | dhofstra: Yeah, but it was confugingly labeled |
| [03:14:00] | mchou: | this is what you said: [17:52:36] <toresbe> This UI really needs a touchup |
| [03:15:00] | mchou: | [17:52:42] <toresbe> extremely confusing labels and prompts |
| [03:15:00] | mchou: | and I asked you to be specific |
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| [03:16:00] | fiveiron: | does mythtv support creating customer scrolling bars on the screen? |
| [03:16:00] | dhofstra: | Ok, and I think it is called frequency ID because sometimes it is not an actual frequency, but rather an ID that is used for things like external tuners |
| [03:16:00] | fiveiron: | or is there development out there for such a plugin? |
| [03:16:00] | SlicerDicer-: | fiveiron, eh? you mean like advertisments and spam in a can? |
| [03:16:00] | fiveiron: | no |
| [03:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | fiveiron: You can do something like that with mythtvosd |
| [03:17:00] | fiveiron: | ah |
| [03:17:00] | ** fiveiron checks that out ** | |
| [03:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | it has a predone scrolling bar template |
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| [03:17:00] | fiveiron: | nice |
| [03:17:00] | SlicerDicer-: | sorry fiveiron scrolling bars sounds like spam or advertisments to me |
| [03:17:00] | ** SlicerDicer- was confused ** | |
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| [03:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I'm not sure if you can control how long it's on the screen |
| [03:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | other than the myth OSD config options |
| [03:17:00] | toresbe: | wow, mythtv rocks |
| [03:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | one way to find out |
| [03:17:00] | fiveiron: | i'd love to be able to do some logic testing on rss feeds and if there is an update scroll that across the screen in a semi-transparent bar |
| [03:17:00] | toresbe: | I ...think it's working now |
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| [03:18:00] | SlicerDicer-: | fiveiron, that would be cool |
| [03:18:00] | NightMonkey: | toresbe: Congrats. |
| [03:18:00] | toresbe: | thanks NightMonkey :) |
| [03:18:00] | toresbe: | thanks for your help, all of you |
| [03:18:00] | dhofstra: | theres also something that displays caller id, but it is just a perl script I think |
| [03:18:00] | fiveiron: | yeah... get the latest headline for /. on your screen ...then if you feel like checking it out, hop on to the browser |
| [03:18:00] | fiveiron: | :) |
| [03:18:00] | PaulWay: | The problem with the "if you don't like it, patch it" philosophy is that one person's neat hack is another person's ugly kludge. |
| [03:19:00] | PaulWay: | And that it implies that everyone has the time, ability and priorities to grovel through the code... |
| [03:19:00] | toresbe: | Yeah, patching should be done by people with experience with the program's internal structure |
| [03:19:00] | PaulWay: | Not exclusively, though. |
| [03:19:00] | toresbe: | No, but it sure helps |
| [03:19:00] | NightMonkey: | PaulWay: Well, it is a silly thing to say in the -user channel. Completely appropriate in the -dev channel, tho. |
| [03:19:00] | toresbe: | On the quality of the software, etc |
| [03:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | dhofstra: There are a couple perl scripts in the contrib dir for relaying the message and broadcasting. But there is also a compiled c++ app that gets installede with myth as well |
| [03:19:00] | PaulWay: | NightMonkey: True enough. But let's not be all blinkered by channel names... |
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| [03:20:00] | ** toresbe has set it up to record the morning news and will watch them when he wakes up ** | |
| [03:20:00] | NightMonkey: | PaulWay: Well, actually, the policies are really very different in each channel... |
| [03:20:00] | toresbe: | ...hopefully, that is |
| [03:20:00] | dhofstra: | GreyFoxx cool. its been a while since I even looked in the contrib. This winter I'm redoing my backend, and I'll have to play around with myth again some more |
| [03:20:00] | PaulWay: | NightMonkey: Such is the flexibility of real life... :-) |
| [03:20:00] | toresbe: | PaulWay: anyway, though I sort of am a programmer |
| [03:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | dhofstra: I use it to send incoming callerid info from my asterisk box to my main frontend |
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| [03:21:00] | dhofstra: | sweet |
| [03:21:00] | PaulWay: | toresbe: brace yourself to be liberated from the petty concept of when a show was on the air... |
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| [03:21:00] | PaulWay: | GreyFoxx: nifty! |
| [03:21:00] | NightMonkey: | toresbe: It truly is freeing. |
| [03:21:00] | toresbe: | #*-user channels are set up to handle and help users, who don't nessecarily have the skills to patch a program |
| [03:21:00] | dhofstra: | GreyFoxx .. with some fancy soldering, you could make a pedal your dog could hit to say 'I'm hungry' or 'I've got to pee' on the OSD. ha ha ha |
| [03:21:00] | toresbe: | Yeah, but it seemed a bit slow, concidering that I do have an AMD 64 2800+... |
| [03:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [03:22:00] | NightMonkey: | toresbe: Then, you'll have to try MythStreamTV, and watch your recorded shows from anywhere in the reach of the Internet. |
| [03:22:00] | toresbe: | dhofstra: bwahahah |
| [03:22:00] | toresbe: | NightMonkey: niice... |
| [03:22:00] | toresbe: | NightMonkey: I actually do ahve that sort of bandwith too, 700 outgoing |
| [03:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | I stream a lot of my stuff to the office during the day |
| [03:22:00] | toresbe: | NightMonkey: But... I don't go outside! ;) |
| [03:22:00] | NightMonkey: | toresbe: Exactly what I have. Makes nice streams. |
| [03:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | and usually have an internal vlc server so coworkers can join the stream and watch too |
| [03:23:00] | toresbe: | I'm not much of a TV watcher |
| [03:23:00] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: Be carefull... |
| [03:23:00] | dhofstra: | I still want a |
| [03:23:00] | toresbe: | but I got sick these last days, so I started laying infront of the tellie |
| [03:23:00] | toresbe: | anyway, oyasumi, minnasan |
| [03:24:00] | dhofstra: | module that would let you play 'buzztime' trivia (like NTN trivia at a bar) with other myth users. |
| [03:24:00] | PaulWay: | toresbe: you say that now... :-) |
| [03:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | dhofstra: hehe that might be nifty. |
| [03:24:00] | NightMonkey: | toresbe: For me, PVRs make TV more into something like a search engine with video. I really never have to watch anything I don't want to, and I can find the stuff (via MythWeb) that I would have missed. |
| [03:25:00] | NightMonkey: | THere's nothing like being able to search for shows by topic, or keyword. It's really quite something. |
| [03:25:00] | PaulWay: | toresbe: sayonara... |
| [03:26:00] | NightMonkey: | It makes paying for the Dish actually worth it. |
| [03:28:00] | fiveiron: | hmm |
| [03:29:00] | fiveiron: | can you set up cron jobs in knoppix that run more often that every day? |
| [03:29:00] | fiveiron: | i.e. – every 5 minutes? |
| [03:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | sure |
| [03:29:00] | fiveiron: | sweet |
| [03:29:00] | fiveiron: | this will be easy then |
| [03:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | cron has down to 1 minute increments |
| [03:30:00] | fiveiron: | just need to write a nice script to parse the rss feeds that mythtv downloads and see if there are changes |
| [03:30:00] | fiveiron: | :) |
| [03:31:00] | PaulWay: | fiveiron: crontab line '0–59 * * * * command' |
| [03:31:00] | PaulWay: | should work with most modern crons |
| [03:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | or just * instead of 0–59 :)( |
| [03:32:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [03:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | which works on all :) |
| [03:32:00] | ** PaulWay slaps forehead ** | |
| [03:32:00] | PaulWay: | Sorry, I've done too much crontab work on old Solaris machines with backward crons. |
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| [03:33:00] | Chutt: | paulway, btw, my diagnosis last night was due to the guy saying that the channels in question looked right going direct to the tv. =) |
| [03:34:00] | ** GreyFoxx is waiting for 8_Recommended to finish on a box *sigh* ** | |
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| [03:34:00] | PaulWay: | Chutt: *shrugs* |
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| [03:35:00] | PaulWay: | Chutt: he wasn't very clear about what was happening when and in what configuration. |
| [03:36:00] | defaultro: | hi Chutt, quick question |
| [03:36:00] | Chutt: | i did ask, and he said that they looked fine |
| [03:36:00] | PaulWay: | Did it get resolved? It sounds like it is actually comcast... |
| [03:36:00] | Chutt: | i agree |
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| [03:36:00] | defaultro: | suddenly, my mythtv stopped recording after the storm |
| [03:36:00] | defaultro: | log is saying no data |
| [03:36:00] | Chutt: | dunno if it got resolved or not, i went to bed |
| [03:36:00] | defaultro: | but when i use azap, it shows FE LOCK |
| [03:36:00] | Chutt: | my nick highlighting just caught the conversation after that |
| [03:37:00] | Chutt: | defaultro, i don't touch dvb stuff. |
| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | k |
| [03:37:00] | mchou: | defaultro: your antenna got blown :) |
| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | nope |
| [03:37:00] | PaulWay: | defaultro: can you watch live TV? |
| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | i transfered the antenna to the tv and it's crystal clear |
| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | i cannot watch livetv too |
| [03:38:00] | dredd: | Hi all, I need help getting my wireless network card running under knoppmyth. Is this the right place to find help? |
| [03:38:00] | defaultro: | i thought that antenna rotated |
| [03:38:00] | defaultro: | i went out and it's still facing the correct direction |
| [03:38:00] | defaultro: | and all my channels are clear |
| [03:38:00] | mchou: | bah, put a signal meter on it :) |
| [03:38:00] | defaultro: | it's very clear |
| [03:38:00] | defaultro: | azap shows FE_HAS LOCK without droppes |
| [03:39:00] | mchou: | weird |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | i'm planning to reboot it again |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | i already did mysqlcheck but no issues |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | can we cat the device and redirect it to an mpg file? |
| [03:39:00] | PaulWay: | Check the mythtv-setup – it might have borked the card config. |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | i'll do that |
| [03:40:00] | mchou: | defaultro: you do a cat /dev/video to see what the pic looks like? |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | trying now |
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| [03:40:00] | ** PaulWay gets back to doing actual work. ** | |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | i don't have /dev/video |
| [03:40:00] | mchou: | well whatever the dvb equivalent is..... |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/video |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | No such device |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | can you lsmod? |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | i have 5 lines that shows skystar |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | oh, i forgot, you're not using air2pc |
| [03:42:00] | mchou: | nope. looking into fusion 5 |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | k |
| [03:42:00] | mchou: | fusion 5 Gold apparently works now in linux (from dvb cvs) |
| [03:43:00] | mchou: | waiting for a few more ppl to provide feedback. |
| [03:44:00] | defaultro: | that's great |
| [03:44:00] | defaultro: | once i move to the new house, i'll buy another card :D |
| [03:44:00] | mchou: | I missed a sale when fusion 5 lite was $75 shipped..... |
| [03:44:00] | mchou: | now it's back to $99 |
| [03:44:00] | defaultro: | oh |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | :( |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | who's the seller? |
| [03:46:00] | mchou: | I foget the name of the seller. Something like "digital cellar" or something...... |
| [03:47:00] | mchou: | oh, copperbox. |
| [03:47:00] | mchou: | man my memory is shot. |
| [03:48:00] | defaultro: | ah i remember that seller |
| [03:48:00] | defaultro: | what's copperbox? |
| [03:48:00] | mchou: | the seller |
| [03:48:00] | mchou: | copperbox.com |
| [03:49:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [03:49:00] | defaultro: | so what's missing in the Lite version? |
| [03:50:00] | defaultro: | so does people say that it performs like air2pc? |
| [03:50:00] | mchou: | remote, and they use bt878 as pci glue logic |
| [03:50:00] | mchou: | instead of cx88 |
| [03:50:00] | defaultro: | is that a good feature? |
| [03:51:00] | defaultro: | how's your avermedia/ |
| [03:51:00] | defaultro: | ? |
| [03:53:00] | mchou: | I didnt get the avermedia |
| [03:53:00] | mchou: | waiting on the fusion |
| [03:55:00] | mchou: | there is some speculation that cx88 is not as BW bound as bt878.... |
| [03:55:00] | mchou: | I havent really looked into it yet. |
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| [04:04:00] | Chutt: | ya know |
| [04:04:00] | Chutt: | it'd be really nice if my local cbs station weren't fucktards |
| [04:05:00] | Chutt: | and actually flipped their switch so things got broadcast in hd |
| [04:10:00] | defaultro: | at last, my myth is fixed. I though my air2pc was hosed |
| [04:11:00] | rjune: | what fun would that be chutt? |
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| [04:25:00] | ShockValue: | woot! i just won my ebay bid |
| [04:26:00] | ShockValue: | and it was a decent price too.. which i didnt think existed on ebay anymore |
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| [04:27:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | vicious rumors! |
| [04:28:00] | ShockValue: | well, it was just a book.. but i got a 45$ book for 11$ shipping included... ("Like new") :) |
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| [04:36:00] | ShockValue: | is mythweb really frickin slow for anyone else? |
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| [04:38:00] | kormoc: | ShockValue, only the recorded programs list |
| [04:40:00] | kikisli: | anyone here have live tv timeshifting working with a firewire hookup to their cable box? |
| [04:40:00] | kormoc: | kikisli, pausing ian't working for you? |
| [04:41:00] | ShockValue: | im going through the recording schedule, and it takes like 15 seconds per click to respond. and everytime I do somethign with a show, it resets which options for viewing i have set |
| [04:41:00] | kormoc: | ShockValue, that's odd... any odd setup you have going? |
| [04:41:00] | kikisli: | i can pause, but going back a bit or forward makes it all weird doesn't go to where it's supposed to |
| [04:42:00] | kikisli: | it just goes to a random point in time of the buffer |
| [04:42:00] | kormoc: | odd myth problem night. |
| [04:42:00] | ShockValue: | not really, mythtv in the living room, surfing it from here.. standard 100Mb switch.. all internal of the firewall |
| [04:43:00] | kikisli: | have to change channels and go back or else i can't get back to current time even |
| [04:44:00] | ShockValue: | good ping between the boxes.. ~0.1 ms |
| [04:44:00] | fiveiron: | i have a friend who's setting up a 4U rackmount mythTV server |
| [04:44:00] | fiveiron: | 6 tuner cards |
| [04:44:00] | kikisli: | but it's been that way since i've tried 0.18, wasn't fixed in 0.18 and whoever made 0.18.1 seemed like he didn't care about it when i told him since he doesn't use live tv |
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| [04:44:00] | ShockValue: | i have a 4u rackmount box.. filled it smooth with bondo, painted it black, and put it in my entertainment center under the plasma :) |
| [04:44:00] | kikisli: | er, second 0.18 should have been 0.18.1 |
| [04:45:00] | ShockValue: | it looks ok, but i suck at painting :) |
| [04:45:00] | kormoc: | kikisli, did you post a bug report on myth's site? |
| [04:46:00] | kormoc: | ShockValue, load adverage on the web box/database box is low? |
| [04:46:00] | kikisli: | plenty of people have talked about it. i'm just wondering if anyone has it working with cvs possibly |
| [04:46:00] | dredd: | HI there, I'm setting up knoppmyth |
| [04:46:00] | kikisli: | i'm without a cpu for the myth box atm, and i'm not gonna try it again until i hear it's fixed. kinda gave up on it until next release. it's been 6 months, so i'm wondering how it is now. |
| [04:47:00] | dredd: | I currently have a blue scren with 5 options |
| [04:47:00] | dredd: | thrid one is "input setup" or similar |
| [04:47:00] | dredd: | I went in and selected 'new' |
| [04:47:00] | dredd: | then picked Australia |
| [04:47:00] | ShockValue: | kormoc: lirc_dev is currently eating up the most CPU on that box at about 1% ... its a 2.6Ghz proc |
| [04:48:00] | dredd: | then continued |
| [04:48:00] | dredd: | it has a blue box that says 50% with a bar |
| [04:48:00] | dredd: | and it's just sitting there |
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| [04:48:00] | dredd: | any ideas? |
| [04:48:00] | ShockValue: | dredd: sounds like its timing out trying to find service providers... are you hooked up to the net? |
| [04:48:00] | dredd: | yep, just did that, I successfully pinged google.com |
| [04:49:00] | kikisli: | kormoc: where do you post bugs again? |
| [04:49:00] | kormoc: | ShockValue, odd... |
| [04:49:00] | kormoc: | kikisli, cvs.mythtv.org |
| [04:49:00] | ShockValue: | kormoc: gonna try with Konq |
| [04:50:00] | kikisli: | there should be a link to that |
| [04:50:00] | kormoc: | ShockValue, on my end, the database is eating the most cpu, but it's not much at all |
| [04:50:00] | kormoc: | ShockValue, you might wanna tweak apache more for a small site, that can spead things up a lot |
| [04:50:00] | dredd: | how do I kill the myth frontend? |
| [04:50:00] | kormoc: | dredd, killall mythfrontend |
| [04:51:00] | dredd: | no processes killed |
| [04:51:00] | ShockValue: | kormoc: something with firefox i think.. when i browse it with Konq, its much faster, and it keeps the settings ive checkboxed between selections |
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| [04:51:00] | kormoc: | ShockValue, odd, what version of firefox? |
| [04:51:00] | dredd: | maybe its myth-setup or something? |
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| [04:52:00] | ShockValue: | 1.0.6 |
| [04:52:00] | kormoc: | dredd, ps ax | grep myth to see what myth processes are running |
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| [04:52:00] | knight_: | anyone use WinMyth? |
| [04:52:00] | kormoc: | ShockValue, that's really odd |
| [04:52:00] | dredd: | thanks kormoc |
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| [04:54:00] | ShockValue: | gotta bail.. thanks for chattin kormoc |
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| [05:02:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc, hihi haha! beat you too it! |
| [05:02:00] | kormoc: | hihi :) |
| [05:03:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hey kormoc do you use avidemux? |
| [05:03:00] | kormoc: | no, I don't |
| [05:03:00] | SlicerDicer-: | :/ |
| [05:04:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I am trying to figure out why shrinking the mpeg with avidemux strips off the mpeg/mp3 video/audio tags :/ |
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| [05:08:00] | Alien88: | slicer: i heard you had the same problem as i did with resolution on certain channels – did you get it fixed? |
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| [05:14:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Alien88, nope |
| [05:15:00] | Alien88: | slicer: comcast? |
| [05:15:00] | Alien88: | through a digital cable box? |
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| [05:15:00] | Chutt: | call comcast |
| [05:17:00] | Alien88: | if so unplug the box for ~45 seconds and plug it back in – should fix it |
| [05:18:00] | psyon: | ok, looking over docs and cant find anything... Does anyone know how I can get my PVR-350 into 16:9 mode? |
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| [05:26:00] | SlicerDicer-: | yeah Alien88 comcast |
| [05:26:00] | SlicerDicer-: | sorry |
| [05:26:00] | SlicerDicer-: | went afk |
| [05:26:00] | SlicerDicer-: | ok Alien88 |
| [05:26:00] | SlicerDicer-: | will give it a try |
| [05:26:00] | Alien88: | worked for me :) |
| [05:27:00] | Alien88: | if not, give them a call.. but afaik that should fix it |
| [05:27:00] | SlicerDicer-: | ok |
| [05:27:00] | Alien88: | (thats what they told me) |
| [05:27:00] | SlicerDicer-: | will they do something? |
| [05:27:00] | Alien88: | yeah |
| [05:27:00] | SlicerDicer-: | thanks Alien88 for the response |
| [05:27:00] | Alien88: | no problem.. i was in the same boat and know how frustrating it was |
| [05:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | no fixy :/ |
| [05:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | and its in black and white now lol |
| [05:29:00] | Alien88: | have you plugged it directly into the tv to see if its an issue w/ the feed? |
| [05:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | moment |
| [05:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | argh hang on |
| [05:29:00] | Chutt: | you said last night that it looked fine plugged in to the tv. |
| [05:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | yes I did chutt |
| [05:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | and it does |
| [05:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | when I did that with unplug/plugin its black and white |
| [05:30:00] | Alien88: | mmh... |
| [05:30:00] | Alien88: | what kind of capture card? |
| [05:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | it was fine till I did that with the cablebox |
| [05:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | br |
| [05:30:00] | jemarcks: | i built a new frontend box and i cant esc out of mythweather. Anybody had this happen? |
| [05:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | brb let me try redoing it |
| [05:31:00] | SlicerDicer-: | ok its good now |
| [05:31:00] | SlicerDicer-: | but the image is still not right |
| [05:31:00] | SlicerDicer-: | still in the box |
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| [05:33:00] | Alien88: | guh, im not registered so i cant msg you |
| [05:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [05:33:00] | Alien88: | well my problem was actualyl a problem w/ the digital cable box |
| [05:33:00] | Alien88: | yours seems like an issue with the capture card |
| [05:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | some channels do it some dont Alien88 |
| [05:34:00] | Alien88: | but if they display fine when you run it directly into the tv, its not an issue w/ the cable box |
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| [05:34:00] | SlicerDicer-: | did they not run fine on the tv for you Alien88? |
| [05:35:00] | Alien88: | correct.. the resolution was still wrong when ran directly inot the tv |
| [05:35:00] | difeta: | hi i have a leadtek tv200xp card and I'm having trouble seeing the lower end of the channels. Everything has a lot of static until i get into the 20s. Even then, the color is way off. Any ideas on how I could solve this? |
| [05:35:00] | SlicerDicer-: | :/ |
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| [05:37:00] | Alien88: | slicerdicer: what kind of capture card do you have? |
| [05:37:00] | SlicerDicer-: | pvr-350 |
| [05:37:00] | Alien88: | how are you running it into the pvr-350 from the cablebox? |
| [05:37:00] | SlicerDicer-: | svideo |
| [05:37:00] | jnunez: | How much is the 350 selling for? |
| [05:38:00] | Alien88: | your cable box has svideo out? |
| [05:38:00] | Alien88: | lucky duck |
| [05:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | no I payed for it |
| [05:38:00] | SqWaw: | mine does :) |
| [05:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I had to go in and give them 5$ to change out the box |
| [05:38:00] | Alien88: | they dont even have boxes w/ svideo out here |
| [05:38:00] | Alien88: | i tried for 3 months |
| [05:38:00] | SqWaw: | and I didnt pay them for it. |
| [05:38:00] | Alien88: | anywho, brb, i need to go look at my config |
| [05:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Alien88, where are you? |
| [05:38:00] | Alien88: | ann arbor |
| [05:38:00] | Alien88: | (mi) |
| [05:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | heh |
| [05:40:00] | Alien88: | hmm yeah im doing composite into a composite to svideo converter |
| [05:41:00] | SlicerDicer-: | heh |
| [05:41:00] | Alien88: | man.. i know i dealt with a similar issue when i was first setting up, but i cant remember for the life of me how i figured out what the issue was |
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| [05:42:00] | thechris: | i get lag with mythtv, what can be done to fix this |
| [05:42:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I did not change anything it had to be comcast |
| [05:42:00] | thechris: | every once in a while, the transmission stops for a second |
| [05:43:00] | thechris: | gets annoying |
| [05:45:00] | jnunez: | Has anyone used the Plextor ConvertX Digital Video Converter with MythTV? |
| [05:45:00] | knight_: | jnunez |
| [05:45:00] | jnunez: | or should I go with a PVR250? |
| [05:46:00] | knight_: | just picked up two of them yesterday |
| [05:46:00] | jnunez: | yes |
| [05:46:00] | knight_: | they work GREAT in SageTV |
| [05:46:00] | knight_: | havent tested with mythtv yet |
| [05:46:00] | knight_: | i got the TV402's |
| [05:46:00] | jnunez: | is $119 a good price? |
| [05:46:00] | knight_: | the ones with a coax input |
| [05:46:00] | thechris: | jnunez: maybe try a pvr150 |
| [05:46:00] | knight_: | yeah |
| [05:46:00] | knight_: | i got mine from fry's |
| [05:46:00] | knight_: | so i paid more than that i think |
| [05:47:00] | knight_: | mine cost $199 |
| [05:47:00] | knight_: | +tax |
| [05:47:00] | jnunez: | Lucky! We dont have Fry's on the west coast |
| [05:47:00] | jnunez: | sorry East Coast |
| [05:47:00] | knight_: | i think the ones you're talking about have no rf tuner |
| [05:47:00] | jnunez: | is it the PX-M402U |
| [05:47:00] | knight_: | which is perfect if you already have satellite or digital cable boxes |
| [05:47:00] | knight_: | yeah |
| [05:47:00] | knight_: | i have the PX-TV402U |
| [05:48:00] | jnunez: | I do have a Digital Cable box |
| [05:48:00] | knight_: | they're nearly identical |
| [05:48:00] | jnunez: | ok cool! |
| [05:48:00] | SqWaw: | [ebuild U ] x11-base/xorg-x11–6.8.2-r6 [6.8.2-r5] <-- Is this r6 myth safe? anyone upgraded yet...? |
| [05:48:00] | Alien88: | slicer, if it displays fine on the tv then its not comcast |
| [05:51:00] | jnunez: | Crap! I machine I need if for doesn't have USB2 |
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| [05:54:00] | Esp1: | anyone know if it is possible to get UDP multicalst streams to work with myth? |
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| [05:56:00] | thechris: | is there anyway to get mythtv to play recordings without these annoying random pauses? |
| [05:57:00] | [Klatuu]: | do you have pre-empting turned on in your kernel? |
| [05:57:00] | thechris: | yes |
| [05:57:00] | [Klatuu]: | you might try turning that off |
| [05:57:00] | thechris: | it works with mplayer |
| [05:57:00] | thechris: | just playing the file |
| [05:57:00] | [Klatuu]: | ahh |
| [05:57:00] | difeta: | how can i change the color settings in myth? |
| [05:57:00] | thechris: | but when i use mythtv, it has these annoying pauses |
| [05:58:00] | thechris: | though the sound is better timed in mythtv |
| [05:58:00] | [Klatuu]: | what is your CPU useage between mplayer and myth? |
| [05:58:00] | thechris: | not sure, haven't looked. |
| [05:59:00] | thechris: | the CPU is pretty fast on both PVR and desktop |
| [05:59:00] | thechris: | oh, this is over the network |
| [05:59:00] | [Klatuu]: | that is an issue |
| [05:59:00] | [Klatuu]: | wireless? |
| [05:59:00] | thechris: | no |
| [05:59:00] | thechris: | direct connect 1G |
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| [05:59:00] | [Klatuu]: | I haven't had problems with 100M |
| [06:00:00] | thechris: | it runs 600kbps, which is well below the 1Gbps limit |
| [06:00:00] | [Klatuu]: | wireless kinda stutters |
| [06:00:00] | [Klatuu]: | I need to bump my wireless up to 802.11a turbo |
| [06:00:00] | [Klatuu]: | once I figure out how to get that working right |
| [06:02:00] | [Klatuu]: | baby steps |
| [06:02:00] | [Klatuu]: | I should be glad I got WPA-PSK working |
| [06:02:00] | thechris: | it works over mplayer |
| [06:02:00] | thechris: | over smbfs |
| [06:02:00] | [Klatuu]: | oh |
| [06:02:00] | [Klatuu]: | ick |
| [06:03:00] | [Klatuu]: | I have never had much luck with smbfs to a linux box |
| [06:03:00] | thechris: | well, sometimes i take the server down |
| [06:03:00] | [Klatuu]: | without it stalling |
| [06:03:00] | thechris: | and nfs causes the desktop to crash |
| [06:03:00] | knight_: | I've been trying to figure out the SlingBox protocol so I can make mythtv into an emulated slingbox |
| [06:03:00] | thechris: | but smbfs works just fine. |
| [06:03:00] | [Klatuu]: | you are lucky |
| [06:03:00] | thechris: | mythtv is the only thing with the issues |
| [06:04:00] | [Klatuu]: | maybe mythtv doesn't buffer enough |
| [06:04:00] | thechris: | but these are never small stutters |
| [06:04:00] | thechris: | maybe it doesn't buffer enough though |
| [06:04:00] | thechris: | how can i fix this? |
| [06:05:00] | [Klatuu]: | I don't think there is a setting in myth to change that buffer size |
| [06:06:00] | Alien88: | thechris: it might be an audio buffer problem |
| [06:07:00] | thechris: | in myth the whole thing just stalls |
| [06:07:00] | thechris: | audio and video |
| [06:07:00] | thechris: | its really annoying. |
| [06:08:00] | Alien88: | yes but if the audio has to rebuffer the video obviously pauses |
| [06:08:00] | Alien88: | in the setup there's an "Use Extra Audio Buffering" |
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| [06:08:00] | thechris: | hmm, maybe. i'll try that |
| [06:09:00] | Alien88: | you can run the frontend in verbose mode and log it and see what happens when it stutters in the log if that doesnt fix it |
| [06:11:00] | SlicerDicer-: | well Alien88 I got comcast coming out tommrow |
| [06:12:00] | SlicerDicer-: | they did a hard slap reset thing to the box and it did not stop it the box went crazy when I was on the phone with them |
| [06:12:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I think the box maybe bad |
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| [06:14:00] | Alien88: | well hopefully |
| [06:14:00] | SlicerDicer-: | yeh |
| [06:15:00] | SlicerDicer-: | they said the only way it would be doing that realisticly is if it was a HDTV box or its just gone stupid pretending to be one |
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| [06:29:00] | difeta: | i'm getting a weird echo for sound, any ideas why that would occur? |
| [06:30:00] | Skaface: | is the wrong audio channel set to record? |
| [06:30:00] | Skaface: | like is it re-recording the output? |
| [06:30:00] | difeta: | Skaface, im not sure, but I can tell you this. Mythtv is off and I can still hear the audio. |
| [06:31:00] | Skaface: | ah ok, you need to mute the source of the audio |
| [06:31:00] | Skaface: | set it to record but mute the output |
| [06:32:00] | difeta: | is this done from the myth interface? |
| [06:32:00] | Skaface: | it tells you how to do it in the install guide |
| [06:32:00] | difeta: | i see. |
| [06:33:00] | difeta: | from your hint, I'm playing with the alsa mixer and i notice that line-in and line both affect the sound |
| [06:34:00] | Skaface: | thats what you should be playing with |
| [06:34:00] | Skaface: | so yeah, mute the line inputs |
| [06:34:00] | Skaface: | and see if that fixes the problem |
| [06:35:00] | difeta: | Skaface, well there is not any sound if i use any combination |
| [06:36:00] | Skaface: | you need to set them to record |
| [06:37:00] | Skaface: | type these commands |
| [06:37:00] | Skaface: | $ amixer set Master,0 100%,100% unmute |
| [06:37:00] | Skaface: | $ amixer set PCM,0 100%,100% unmute |
| [06:37:00] | Skaface: | $ amixer set Line,0 75%,75% mute captur |
| [06:37:00] | Skaface: | $ amixer set Capture,0 100%,100% captur |
| [06:37:00] | Skaface: | theres no e on captur |
| [06:38:00] | PaulWay: | Did kikisli get eir problem fixed? |
| [06:39:00] | difeta: | ahh that did it. |
| [06:39:00] | PaulWay: | Check the recording_markup table in mysql. It may be damaged. |
| [06:39:00] | Skaface: | lol |
| [06:39:00] | Skaface: | then run alsactl store |
| [06:39:00] | difeta: | would you know why there is an odd almost twang sound with the audio? |
| [06:39:00] | Skaface: | that was taken word for word out of the install guide by the way :) |
| [06:40:00] | PaulWay: | hmmm, alsactl store, you say? Excellent! *rubs hands* |
| [06:40:00] | difeta: | Skaface, where is the install guide? |
| [06:40:00] | Skaface: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ |
| [06:40:00] | PaulWay: | Couldn't remember how to save the alsa settings. Now I know. |
| [06:40:00] | difeta: | thanks |
| [06:41:00] | PaulWay: | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv is also excellent (esp. for Fedora) |
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| [06:41:00] | PaulWay: | But maybe I'm talking out of my ears again. |
| [06:41:00] | difeta: | Skaface, how about that twang in the sound? any ideas? |
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| [06:45:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | The mythtv printed book is also good on install info\ |
| [06:46:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4861 . . . 5098-9353956 |
| [06:46:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | slightly out of date though |
| [06:48:00] | difeta: | my lower channels are a little off freq, is thre a way to tune that? I've already modified my colors abit |
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| [06:56:00] | fryfrog: | damn, my mythbackend.log was 22G! |
| [07:00:00] | SlicerDicer-: | lol |
| [07:01:00] | thechris: | 2005-10–04 23:53:15.665 prebuffer wait timed out.. |
| [07:01:00] | thechris: | that is the only line that seems unique to the issues i have |
| [07:03:00] | Skaface: | haha |
| [07:03:00] | thechris: | in anycase, how do i fix this. i can't find the extra buffers thing |
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| [07:17:00] | rjune: | Faithful: nice |
| [07:17:00] | rjune: | fryfrog: nice |
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| [07:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | anybody here know of what program I need to shrink mpeg2 files? I want it to remain mpeg2 :) |
| [07:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I need to shrink it by 400mb |
| [07:28:00] | Skaface: | mencoder |
| [07:29:00] | Skaface: | assuming that will deal with mpeg2 |
| [07:29:00] | Skaface: | yeah it will cause it can rip dvds |
| [07:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I been trying to use avidemux but it wont shrink mpegs... it shrinks the mpeg but it destroys the video when ripped to dvd |
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| [07:50:00] | mikmor1: | is there any way to possibly debug mythbackend, when it dies (seemingly) randomly? the logs just say "2005-10–04 22:29:02.916 mythbackend: MythBackend exiting Wait condition destroy failure: Device or resource busy Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy" |
| [07:53:00] | thechris: | no clue |
| [07:53:00] | thechris: | i'd call it a dev issue myself |
| [07:53:00] | thechris: | but the devs are apparenly perfect |
| [07:53:00] | Chutt: | i already told him the answer |
| [07:53:00] | Chutt: | he didn't like it. |
| [07:54:00] | Chutt: | it's not _my_ problem if someone doesn't want to debug something properly. |
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| [07:54:00] | thechris: | he tried --verbose all i assume? |
| [07:55:00] | Chutt: | you'd think so, but it won't help |
| [07:55:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: all you've given me is attitude |
| [07:55:00] | mikmor1: | and 'use gdb'... |
| [07:55:00] | Chutt: | i said to use gdb |
| [07:55:00] | Chutt: | when you refused, then you got attitude. |
| [07:55:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: thank god i'm a C developer then, huh |
| [07:55:00] | Chutt: | yup |
| [07:56:00] | mikmor1: | geeze |
| [07:56:00] | thechris: | is myth writen in C? |
| [07:56:00] | Chutt: | c++, but close enough |
| [07:56:00] | thechris: | i had assumed C++ |
| [07:56:00] | Chutt: | you debug the two with the same tools |
| [07:57:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: its not so often that more than one person answers a question, with different answers. i was kinda hoping for something a bit easier :p |
| [07:57:00] | thechris: | recompiling mythtv with debuging |
| [07:57:00] | Chutt: | easiest way to debug an unknown problem in a c program is with a debugger. |
| [07:57:00] | Chutt: | if it's not printing out a reasonable message as to why it's exiting, it's an unknown problem. |
| [07:58:00] | mikmor1: | i use rpms, that means even more steps for me |
| [07:58:00] | Chutt: | i would think that this would be obvious |
| [07:58:00] | mikmor1: | blah. |
| [07:58:00] | Chutt: | but i guess that's just too much to ask |
| [07:58:00] | thechris: | well, it kinda is a bit to ask |
| [07:58:00] | Krazylegz: | Chutt needs a vacation. |
| [07:58:00] | thechris: | how long is mythtv? |
| [07:58:00] | Chutt: | how long? |
| [07:58:00] | Chutt: | that doesn't make much sense :p |
| [07:58:00] | Krazylegz: | |--------------| <-- That long. |
| [07:58:00] | thechris: | like lines of code? |
| [07:58:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: forcing an answer like that is a bit aggressive... why are you pushing it so? |
| [07:59:00] | Chutt: | forcing an answer? |
| [07:59:00] | Chutt: | thechris, couple hundred k |
| [07:59:00] | Chutt: | but that's the point of using a debugger |
| [07:59:00] | Chutt: | it gets you exactly where the problem is in a very short amount of time |
| [07:59:00] | Chutt: | well, generally, at least. |
| [07:59:00] | thechris: | i've never used gdb, could it be applied to my problem? |
| [07:59:00] | mikmor1: | hmm. |
| [07:59:00] | Chutt: | nope |
| [07:59:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: only if you know the source |
| [08:00:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: for all i know there are a few 100 thousand lines of code that i've never seen before |
| [08:00:00] | Chutt: | gdb's not so good for runtime issues =) |
| [08:01:00] | mikmor1: | this happens to be a runtime issue, actually... |
| [08:01:00] | Chutt: | you said it's exiting, so, that's different |
| [08:01:00] | thechris: | well in your case it abruptly halts |
| [08:01:00] | Chutt: | not a performance issue |
| [08:01:00] | thechris: | for me, the video stops, then waits, then starts |
| [08:02:00] | mikmor1: | ah |
| [08:02:00] | thechris: | not a network issue though |
| [08:02:00] | thechris: | i don't transmit or receive packets. |
| [08:02:00] | mikmor1: | that kindof happens to me, i think its because my CPU is too slow :( |
| [08:02:00] | thechris: | no, i got athlon64's on both client and server |
| [08:03:00] | thechris: | i'm thinking either the client doesn't request video or the server doesn't send video |
| [08:03:00] | Chutt: | naw, it's likely a playback issue |
| [08:03:00] | thechris: | i don't think so |
| [08:03:00] | Chutt: | myth does stuff differently than other apps to try and get smoother playback |
| [08:03:00] | thechris: | mplayer works fine |
| [08:03:00] | thechris: | well, my network monitor goes from 600kbps to 0kbps |
| [08:03:00] | thechris: | in myth |
| [08:04:00] | Chutt: | which could just mean that it's stuck playing |
| [08:04:00] | Chutt: | it doesn't request data unless it needs more |
| [08:04:00] | thechris: | well, the notches correspond only with the pauses |
| [08:04:00] | Chutt: | of course |
| [08:05:00] | thechris: | well, i'm thinking theres a condition where it needs more data but doesn't request it |
| [08:05:00] | Chutt: | sure, it could be related to the data transfer, but i'd think it a lot more likely to be more of a playback issue. |
| [08:05:00] | thechris: | what would cause a playback issue on the client side? |
| [08:06:00] | Chutt: | lots of stuff |
| [08:06:00] | thechris: | especially a 1 second playback issue |
| [08:06:00] | thechris: | the CPU and RAM are both fast enough |
| [08:06:00] | thechris: | as is the network connection |
| [08:06:00] | Chutt: | video driver acting weird |
| [08:06:00] | Chutt: | audio driver acting weird |
| [08:06:00] | Chutt: | (i've seen both cause pauses) |
| [08:06:00] | thechris: | hmm. maybe audio driver |
| [08:07:00] | thechris: | but then why only in mythtv |
| [08:07:00] | Chutt: | the opengl sync stuff trying to work but not |
| [08:07:00] | Chutt: | like i said, it does stuff differently than other apps =) |
| [08:07:00] | thechris: | hmm. any ways to get it to try something more basic? |
| [08:07:00] | Chutt: | naw |
| [08:07:00] | thechris: | hmm |
| [08:07:00] | Chutt: | did i see you say something about mplayer having issues with av sync earlier? |
| [08:08:00] | Chutt: | on these files? |
| [08:08:00] | thechris: | no issues on mplayer |
| [08:08:00] | thechris: | only myth |
| [08:08:00] | Chutt: | < |
| [08:08:00] | Chutt: | thechris> though the sound is better timed in mythtv |
| [08:08:00] | Chutt: | blah |
| [08:08:00] | Chutt: | what'd you mean by that? |
| [08:09:00] | thechris: | oh that, the audio seemed a little off |
| [08:09:00] | thechris: | not by much |
| [08:09:00] | Chutt: | a constant amount, or continual drift? |
| [08:09:00] | thechris: | and it didn't drift |
| [08:09:00] | Chutt: | ok |
| [08:09:00] | Chutt: | you've played with the various options on the first page of the playback settings? |
| [08:09:00] | thechris: | some of them |
| [08:09:00] | Chutt: | and tried toggling the opengl vsync option if it's enabled, etc? |
| [08:10:00] | Chutt: | what kind of video card, also? |
| [08:10:00] | thechris: | nvidia 6800 |
| [08:10:00] | Chutt: | pcie or agp? |
| [08:10:00] | thechris: | agp |
| [08:10:00] | Chutt: | so a nv40, with the old style overlay |
| [08:10:00] | Chutt: | not that that means anything, really =) |
| [08:11:00] | thechris: | yeah, i'm an EE, so not a huge developer... |
| [08:11:00] | thechris: | i do scripts |
| [08:11:00] | Chutt: | it _may_ be an audio driver issue. i had something similar when i first set up my x2 |
| [08:11:00] | thechris: | there is a libmpeg2 option, possibly that would fix it? |
| [08:11:00] | thechris: | i do have an odd sound card |
| [08:11:00] | Chutt: | shouldn't, it just uses different code to decode the video |
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| [08:12:00] | thechris: | but i wouldn't think i would hit these 1 second pauses |
| [08:12:00] | Chutt: | stuff stacks up – audio gets behind, then it tries to adjust the video |
| [08:13:00] | Chutt: | etc |
| [08:14:00] | thechris: | but for a full second? i mean after a little bit you'd realize that both audio and video are behind |
| [08:14:00] | Chutt: | right |
| [08:14:00] | Chutt: | it happens, trust me :p |
| [08:15:00] | Krazylegz: | This is only for recordings? |
| [08:15:00] | thechris: | i only watch recordings |
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| [08:22:00] | thechris: | btw, any reason there is no xmltv for usa cable? |
| [08:22:00] | Chutt: | datadirect is better |
| [08:22:00] | thechris: | well, no |
| [08:22:00] | thechris: | i mean like why doesnt it exist |
| [08:23:00] | Chutt: | it does |
| [08:23:00] | thechris: | oh. sweet |
| [08:23:00] | Chutt: | but it just uses datadirect |
| [08:23:00] | Chutt: | and loses a bunch of data in the conversion to the xmltv format |
| [08:24:00] | thechris: | my needs are very simple — schedule recordings — watch. all i need is files named correctly. |
| [08:24:00] | thechris: | i think i can make a script just to run as a cronjob to do the recordings |
| [08:25:00] | thechris: | then watch with mplayer or whatnot |
| [08:26:00] | Chutt: | there's a bunch of stuff that does that, too |
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| [09:05:00] | mikmor1: | as i'm trying to play an nuv file (in mplayer or avidemux), the speed of the video is much faster than the speed of the audio. any idea on how to fix this? |
| [09:06:00] | Chutt: | recorded how? |
| [09:06:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: good question.. i guess i will look up the settings |
| [09:07:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [09:07:00] | Chutt: | i meant software card or hardware |
| [09:07:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: software |
| [09:07:00] | mikmor1: | i don't have an encoder chip on my video card if thats what you mean |
| [09:07:00] | Chutt: | right |
| [09:07:00] | Chutt: | what cpu? |
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| [09:08:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: on the player or the recorder? |
| [09:08:00] | Chutt: | recorder |
| [09:08:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: they are both AMD, i guess |
| [09:08:00] | Chutt: | speed, not type :p |
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| [09:09:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: recorder is underclocked ATM, because i was having some problems.. |
| [09:09:00] | mikmor1: | i could look up bogos |
| [09:09:00] | mikmor1: | 1 sec |
| [09:09:00] | mikmor1: | 1851.39 bogomips; 935.426 MHz. |
| [09:09:00] | Chutt: | ok |
| [09:09:00] | Chutt: | well, i've seen that happen when the cpu's too slow to keep up with the recording process |
| [09:09:00] | mikmor1: | ooh |
| [09:10:00] | fryfrog: | Unknown argument for -v/--verbose: important |
| [09:10:00] | mikmor1: | crap.. |
| [09:10:00] | mikmor1: | i guess i have an excuse to make my server faster |
| [09:10:00] | Chutt: | might try lowering the capture resolution down |
| [09:10:00] | mikmor1: | blah |
| [09:10:00] | mikmor1: | more $ |
| [09:10:00] | Chutt: | just to see if that's it, first |
| [09:10:00] | mikmor1: | ok |
| [09:10:00] | mikmor1: | thanks |
| [09:10:00] | fryfrog: | Accepts any combination (separated by comma) of all,none,important,quiet,record,playback,channel,osd,file,schedule,network,commf lag,audio,libav,jobqueue,siparser |
| [09:10:00] | Chutt: | a pvr-150 is fairly cheap these days, though |
| [09:10:00] | Chutt: | fryfrog, heh. |
| [09:10:00] | mikmor1: | i'm not at my server's location atm, so i'll do that as soon as i get over there |
| [09:10:00] | Chutt: | i think important is on by default |
| [09:11:00] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [09:11:00] | Chutt: | and you can't turn it off =) |
| [09:11:00] | fryfrog: | thanks :) |
| [09:11:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: so is a pvr 150 the suggested tuner anymore or something? |
| [09:11:00] | Chutt: | pretty much, yeah |
| [09:11:00] | Chutt: | something in that line, really |
| [09:11:00] | Chutt: | or dvb if it's useable |
| [09:11:00] | mikmor1: | i c |
| [09:12:00] | Chutt: | software encoding's just not terribly scalable |
| [09:12:00] | fryfrog: | man, i gotta take another go at QAM and my air2pc card |
| [09:12:00] | mikmor1: | well, if i can't fix it by knocking my cpu back to where it should be (2ghz0, |
| [09:12:00] | mikmor1: | i'll look into buying that |
| [09:12:00] | Chutt: | could be something else, too, of course =) |
| [09:12:00] | Chutt: | not just cpu speed |
| [09:12:00] | Chutt: | there's tons of stuff that can go wrong |
| [09:12:00] | mikmor1: | i plan on making some serious changes to that box anyway |
| [09:13:00] | mikmor1: | hrm.. sounds like my life w/ computers |
| [09:13:00] | mikmor1: | although, tons of things HAVE gone wrong with mythtv and me, |
| [09:13:00] | mikmor1: | so i must be getting closer to it working :) |
| [09:13:00] | mikmor1: | my cpu does run at around 100% when myth is recording |
| [09:13:00] | mikmor1: | so i'm guessing you're right |
| [09:14:00] | Skaface: | record at lower quality? |
| [09:14:00] | Skaface: | i record stuff on a 1500mhz |
| [09:14:00] | mikmor1: | that would at least help a lot of my problems, i think... incl. skipping video, skipping recording, and mismatched a/v |
| [09:14:00] | fryfrog: | dang |
| [09:15:00] | mikmor1: | i'm running at 1000 right now though |
| [09:15:00] | fryfrog: | i used to run 4x PVR250s on an amd 1600+ :) |
| [09:15:00] | mikmor1: | but i could be running at 2x that, at least |
| [09:15:00] | mikmor1: | growl.. |
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| [09:15:00] | mikmor1: | thats a nice setup |
| [09:15:00] | mikmor1: | fryfrog: did mythtv handle spreading recording among the cards well? |
| [09:16:00] | splat1 is now known as splAt1 | |
| [09:16:00] | fryfrog: | very well |
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| [09:16:00] | fryfrog: | i never had any conflicts at all :) |
| [09:16:00] | mikmor1: | man.. thats awesome.. |
| [09:16:00] | fryfrog: | i sold one though |
| [09:16:00] | mikmor1: | eventually i might do something crazy like that |
| [09:16:00] | fryfrog: | i still had few conflicts with 3x cards |
| [09:16:00] | Skaface: | im afraid to install more than 2 capture cards, i can see lots of conflict problems happening |
| [09:16:00] | fryfrog: | now i'm using only 2 cards, works okay |
| [09:16:00] | fryfrog: | nah, 2x or 4x your system won't care :) |
| [09:17:00] | mikmor1: | fryfrog: what do you mean by conflicts? |
| [09:17:00] | Skaface: | i suppose i would only have that trouble in windows |
| [09:17:00] | fryfrog: | unless you don't have slots |
| [09:17:00] | fryfrog: | mikmor1: i mean, shows that play at the same time |
| [09:17:00] | Skaface: | isnt like slot 3 shared with AGP or something strange like that? |
| [09:17:00] | mikmor1: | ok |
| [09:17:00] | fryfrog: | ie, if you have 2 cards and 3 shows play at the same time... |
| [09:17:00] | fryfrog: | Skaface: nah, modern computers are quite happy sharing IRQs and such |
| [09:17:00] | fryfrog: | you might have issues on an older motherboard (really old) or *maybe* some oldish via boards |
| [09:18:00] | Skaface: | oh ok cool |
| [09:18:00] | mikmor1: | its kinda sad, i have 3 tuners in all, but only 1 will work with mythtv right |
| [09:19:00] | splAt1 is now known as splat1 | |
| [09:19:00] | fryfrog: | i'm having a bitch of a time getting my air2pc card to tune HDTV over QAM (from cable) |
| [09:19:00] | mikmor1: | HD... /cry |
| [09:20:00] | fryfrog: | i don't wanna buy an ATSC OTA antenna :( |
| [09:20:00] | mikmor1: | not that it matters for me anyway.. i just watch anime and food network hehe |
| [09:21:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: haha, you gotta be kiding me |
| [09:22:00] | mchou: | what's the pont of getting a HDTV card then? :) |
| [09:22:00] | mchou: | point* |
| [09:22:00] | mikmor1: | does anyone use mon or anything to make sure mythbackend stays running? |
| [09:22:00] | mikmor1: | just out of curiosity |
| [09:22:00] | Chutt: | i use a shell script and a while loop |
| [09:22:00] | mikmor1: | heh |
| [09:22:00] | Chutt: | but it rarely dies anymore.. |
| [09:23:00] | mikmor1: | cool |
| [09:23:00] | Chutt: | and really, the best way to debug that is with gdb :p |
| [09:23:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: sorry, its just that the work involved in compiling, debugging, all on a project i've never even compiled the source for... its a bit intimidating |
| [09:23:00] | Chutt: | sure, it is |
| [09:24:00] | mchou: | a virgin :) |
| [09:24:00] | mchou: | time to become a man :) |
| [09:24:00] | mikmor1: | mchou: well yes, but not in that sense... a most unfortunate set of responses i suppose.. |
| [09:24:00] | Chutt: | but even just getting a backtrace and filing a bug report with that could help |
| [09:24:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: i don't want to sound like i'm lazy, but... |
| [09:25:00] | ** mikmor1 is lazy as hell. ** | |
| [09:25:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hey Chutt I called comcast they said that what my box is doing is not normal they are sending a tech out tommrow they think my box is bad or something |
| [09:25:00] | Chutt: | slicerdicer, excellent |
| [09:25:00] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: you crazy??? |
| [09:25:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, yep :) |
| [09:25:00] | mchou: | you gonna be home for 4 hrs?? |
| [09:25:00] | SlicerDicer-: | how did you kno? |
| [09:25:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, I work from home |
| [09:25:00] | Chutt: | my cable box died a month or so back |
| [09:25:00] | ** SlicerDicer- slaps mchou ** | |
| [09:25:00] | mchou: | I'd go to the office myself and say this box is broke. |
| [09:25:00] | Chutt: | it was fun calling comcast at 3 in the morning |
| [09:25:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [09:26:00] | Chutt: | mchou, a lot of their local offices don't have office hours |
| [09:26:00] | mchou: | Chutt: was it in India? :) |
| [09:26:00] | mikmor1: | so.. does myth work with digital at all? |
| [09:26:00] | Chutt: | naw, it was someone with a southern accent |
| [09:26:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Chutt, they took off a few days of cost from my bill too cause of "stress and frustration" |
| [09:26:00] | Chutt: | my local comcast office won't even let you do a self install of a cable box |
| [09:26:00] | SlicerDicer-: | really? |
| [09:26:00] | mikmor1: | i wish my credit card would do that.. |
| [09:27:00] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: bah, tell them to give you free digital 4 6 months :) |
| [09:27:00] | Chutt: | they _require_ sending someone out to install it for you |
| [09:27:00] | SlicerDicer-: | haha |
| [09:27:00] | Chutt: | for a $15 fee, of course |
| [09:27:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, I pushed it last time doing what you said and got what you said maybe I should try that ;) |
| [09:27:00] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: trust me, it works |
| [09:27:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Chutt, you got to be shitting me |
| [09:28:00] | mchou: | my inet went intermittent, I told them I was gonna switch to DSL and they gave me free didgital upgrade. |
| [09:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | haha |
| [09:28:00] | mchou: | fixed my inet proto too :) |
| [09:28:00] | mikmor1: | i think i'm gonna set up mon to keep mythbackend running.. and let me know if it crashes. if it crashes repeatedly, i'll look into backtracing **shudder** |
| [09:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | if I was going to switch from cable to dsl they would kiss my ass :) |
| [09:28:00] | Chutt: | my hd cable box broke, i had to wait half a week for them to have a service call opening |
| [09:28:00] | mchou: | Chutt: lol |
| [09:29:00] | Chutt: | when it would've taken me 10 minutes to drive out there with the broken one and get a new one |
| [09:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, dont you think they would kiss my ass? |
| [09:29:00] | mikmor1: | i guess my worst fear is that as soon as i compile the source and get it debugging, yadda yadda yadda, it will just work, and not break heh |
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| [09:29:00] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: I dunno, you have a biz acct w/them...... |
| [09:29:00] | Chutt: | mikmor1, yup =) |
| [09:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | exactly I pay them a ton of cashola |
| [09:29:00] | Chutt: | but really, that's the only way to find that sort of problem |
| [09:29:00] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: not as much "leverage" if you threaten DSL :) |
| [09:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe dsl is shit in my area I think comcast would laugh at me :/ |
| [09:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | and tell me to go ahead |
| [09:30:00] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: exactly |
| [09:30:00] | mikmor1: | chutt: great, eat about 1000mhz and 300MB RAM on debugging alone.. can't wait ;) |
| [09:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | top download on dsl in my area is 1.5down |
| [09:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | compare that to my bandwith LOL!!! |
| [09:31:00] | mikmor1: | mythtv alone is inspiring me to buy a dedicated file server... |
| [09:31:00] | mikmor1: | i've always merged all of my services i run onto one machine, but i think this is toppling the load avg. heh |
| [09:32:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mikmor1, :) myth will make you become obsessed with alot of things hehe |
| [09:32:00] | SlicerDicer-: | like getting insane amount of disk space... |
| [09:32:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: i *want* to get QAM HDTV working because my house is in a dip with lots of very tall trees around me |
| [09:33:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: and since i already know i get HDTV over QAM, i figure i'd give it a shot before giving up and getting an OTA antenna :) |
| [09:33:00] | mikmor1: | SlicerDicer: my current 'want' is a 3.2TB RAID-5... i was gonna run it on software, but that + mythtv is kinda like jumping off of a bridge into a river of molten lava... plus or minus some hurt. |
| [09:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [09:34:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: QAM is slim pickings man. |
| [09:34:00] | fryfrog: | tell me about it :/ |
| [09:34:00] | fryfrog: | i got 2 channels close to working |
| [09:34:00] | fryfrog: | i've been out looking for that 8 bow tie channel master ant twice, if it had been at lowes i'd have gotten it :) |
| [09:34:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: it's only useful for testing purposes, like when you antenna gets misaligned or something..... |
| [09:35:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: forget lowes |
| [09:35:00] | mchou: | go to a TV repair place. |
| [09:35:00] | fryfrog: | the funny thing is, i went to the same lowes twice :) |
| [09:35:00] | mchou: | they'll have everything in stock. |
| [09:35:00] | fryfrog: | i'll look one up in the area |
| [09:35:00] | mikmor1: | wow, i feel |
| [09:36:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: how tall are the trees? |
| [09:36:00] | ** mikmor1 wonders how he was gonna finish that statement. ** | |
| [09:36:00] | fryfrog: | they are about 2 stories above my house i'd guess |
| [09:36:00] | fryfrog: | maybe 1.5 |
| [09:36:00] | mchou: | bwhaaaa |
| [09:36:00] | mchou: | you might be SOL |
| [09:36:00] | fryfrog: | plus i'm in a gully :( |
| [09:36:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, thats what i was thinking :( |
| [09:37:00] | mchou: | time to crown the trees. |
| [09:37:00] | fryfrog: | i also think i'm SOL for satalite |
| [09:37:00] | fryfrog: | crown == cut? |
| [09:37:00] | mchou: | yup |
| [09:37:00] | fryfrog: | we are talking like.... way to many trees |
| [09:37:00] | mchou: | cut the tops off |
| [09:37:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hey Chutt question for you if you have a moment |
| [09:38:00] | fryfrog: | http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . aab.jpg.html |
| [09:38:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: install a mythbackend at a neighbor who is not affected :) |
| [09:38:00] | mikmor1: | i just looked up QAM for the first time |
| [09:38:00] | fryfrog: | it wasn't a shot to show trees, but you might get the idea? |
| [09:38:00] | ** mikmor1 . o O (so thats how cable works...) ** | |
| [09:38:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: linky no worky |
| [09:38:00] | fryfrog: | what do you mean? |
| [09:39:00] | mchou: | Error (ERROR_MISSING_OBJECT) : |
| [09:39:00] | mchou: | in modules/core/classes/GalleryStorage/DatabaseStorage.class at line 2121 (gallerystatus::error) |
| [09:39:00] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [09:39:00] | fryfrog: | i see |
| [09:39:00] | fryfrog: | odd |
| [09:39:00] | fryfrog: | the thumb view works :) |
| [09:39:00] | fryfrog: | thanks |
| [09:39:00] | fryfrog: | i know what it is too :/ |
| [09:39:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I was wondering what the best way to speed up the database for myth was as it gets larger I have noticed since I went from 1 video to now near 40 its slowing down substantially and hitting my cpu harder |
| [09:41:00] | mchou: | 40? that's nothing |
| [09:41:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: if you care, hit refresh |
| [09:41:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, I know but its noticable it causes video hickups when I do things |
| [09:41:00] | Chutt: | i think jarod has mysql cache stuff in his howto? |
| [09:41:00] | SlicerDicer-: | ok Chutt thanks |
| [09:42:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: you need to install antenna in a clearing or in front of trees..... |
| [09:42:00] | fryfrog: | blech :) |
| [09:42:00] | mikmor1: | could anyone give me an estimate of how much CPU an average myth transcode takes? |
| [09:43:00] | fryfrog: | well, nother excuse to move out of that shit-hole |
| [09:43:00] | fryfrog: | mikmor1: it'll take as much as you give it |
| [09:43:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: doubt you'd get good reception at all over there..... |
| [09:43:00] | mikmor1: | oh.. |
| [09:43:00] | mikmor1: | yeah i guess thats obvious :p |
| [09:43:00] | mikmor1: | is it nice'd? |
| [09:43:00] | fryfrog: | yeah |
| [09:43:00] | mikmor1: | ok good |
| [09:43:00] | mikmor1: | heh |
| [09:43:00] | mikmor1: | thanks ^^ |
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| [09:47:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: which state you live in? |
| [09:48:00] | fryfrog: | GA |
| [09:48:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: I've always wondered why in US they have cheap stairs :) |
| [09:49:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: is that the front entrace? |
| [09:49:00] | mchou: | entrance* |
| [09:49:00] | fryfrog: | its a cheap house :) |
| [09:50:00] | fryfrog: | compared to some of the other parts of the house, the stairs are awsome :) |
| [09:50:00] | mchou: | when I live in Portland , OR, eveyone had stairs like that |
| [09:50:00] | mchou: | I despised it. |
| [09:51:00] | mchou: | build it out of brick or stone or something..... |
| [09:51:00] | mchou: | not some cheapass planks |
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| [09:52:00] | mchou: | one of my pet peeves |
| [09:52:00] | fryfrog: | ah, you mean |
| [09:52:00] | fryfrog: | like a brick/cement front area? |
| [09:52:00] | fryfrog: | it'd be a little out of place on a *wood* house, but i'd agree on a brick house |
| [09:52:00] | mchou: | yeah, more or less.....but not elaborate |
| [09:53:00] | mchou: | nah, stone is a nice touch..... |
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| [09:55:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: I still say you should install a mythbackend at a neighbor's place |
| [09:55:00] | mchou: | not affected by trees..... |
| [09:55:00] | mchou: | then you can use inet or something :) |
| [09:56:00] | fryfrog: | most of my close neighbors have the same trees |
| [09:56:00] | mchou: | bah, then you dont need TV anyways :) |
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| [09:56:00] | mchou: | send me all your HW :) |
| [09:57:00] | mikmor1: | so.. could i ask a mythweb question here? |
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| [10:16:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mikmor1, sure |
| [10:16:00] | mikmor1: | SlicerDicer-: actually, nevermind.. i figured it out :) |
| [10:19:00] | malaTG: | Hi everyone! I also have a mythweb question. When I for instance click on a song in mythweb I get a "The page can not be found" is this supposed to be happening? |
| [10:20:00] | SlicerDicer-: | no idea I dont use that feature |
| [10:20:00] | malaTG: | ok |
| [10:20:00] | malaTG: | I thought that maybe I should be able to start a song or maybe edit it or something..... |
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| [10:30:00] | Chipdancer: | evening all |
| [10:30:00] | Chipdancer: | is there life in here? |
| [10:30:00] | ** Chipdancer is having issues getting transcoding to work ** | |
| [10:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hey guys when (9:30 AM-12:00 PM) |
| [10:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Job: Transcode it says that? does that mean thats what time it will start transcoding? |
| [10:41:00] | mikmor1: | has anyone messed with making a user job 'finish' the transcoding to export as an avi or something? |
| [10:42:00] | mikmor1: | and... does blank frame commercial auto-remove work well enough to automate completely? |
| [10:43:00] | Chipdancer: | mikmor1: possibly in the USA, but definitely not in AUS |
| [10:43:00] | mikmor1: | chipdancer: thanks |
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| [11:05:00] | Chipdancer: | ok, my current question goes along these lines: how do I just cut all the commercials out of a program without reencoding it to MPEG4 or RTJPEG? |
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| [11:07:00] | travolta: | you can't, but you can automatically skip them |
| [11:07:00] | rage-: | I'm kind of wondering about commercial skip myself |
| [11:07:00] | rage-: | how it works and when you can do it |
| [11:07:00] | Chipdancer: | there are two ways to do commercial skip, manually marking the cut points or having mythtv try to identify them |
| [11:07:00] | Dagmar: | You need an NLE program like Keno afaik |
| [11:07:00] | travolta: | theres different methods used to detect commercial breaks, you can pick it |
| [11:07:00] | Chipdancer: | if you manually mark them, you're all good, but if you let mythtv do it, you're going to be getting pot luck sometimes |
| [11:07:00] | rage-: | I had a recording |
| [11:08:00] | Chipdancer: | travolta: do you knwo how to tune commercial marking? |
| [11:08:00] | rage-: | and I set the commercial skip to All |
| [11:08:00] | rage-: | and it did nothing when it went to a commercial |
| [11:08:00] | rage-: | heh |
| [11:08:00] | travolta: | in the settings from mythfrontend |
| [11:08:00] | Chipdancer: | rage-: you'll want to enter edit mode "E during playback" and then load the commercial cut list "Z" and use pgup and pgdown to see where it thinks commercial marks are |
| [11:08:00] | travolta: | you can pick how it detect commercial breaks |
| [11:09:00] | rage-: | oh so for it to skip them you have to go to edit mode and load them |
| [11:09:00] | travolta: | no |
| [11:09:00] | travolta: | press m and pick commercial skip something |
| [11:10:00] | travolta: | commercial auto-skip |
| [11:10:00] | rage-: | hm tried that and it didn't do anything |
| [11:10:00] | travolta: | when watching recrodings |
| [11:10:00] | Chipdancer: | is there an easy way to allow mythtranscode know that you've got a dual processor system? currently it only allows transcoding of one program at a time.. (I have one queued) |
| [11:10:00] | rage-: | I was able to load in commercial cut points thuogh |
| [11:10:00] | rage-: | actually, that's another question of mine.. I've tried transcoding something and it doesn't appear to do anything |
| [11:10:00] | rage-: | my cpu usage didn't increase or anything |
| [11:11:00] | rage-: | I've got transcode installed, do I need something else? like this mythtranscode you just mentioned |
| [11:11:00] | travolta: | it runs it with low priority |
| [11:11:00] | travolta: | transcodings |
| [11:11:00] | Chipdancer: | travolta: do you knwo about MythTV+DP systems? |
| [11:11:00] | rage-: | does it keep doing it even if I exit playback mode and go to livetv? |
| [11:11:00] | travolta: | yes |
| [11:11:00] | travolta: | yes to rage |
| [11:11:00] | Chipdancer: | and what about other systems (frontends) which can also do transcoding? How does one setup a MythTV cluster? |
| [11:12:00] | rage-: | got a guesstimation on how long it usually takes for say a half hour segment? |
| [11:12:00] | Dagmar: | About how big does ya'll's mysql databases tend to be? |
| [11:12:00] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: mine is about 50mb after shows |
| [11:12:00] | travolta: | rage-, probably less than 1hr |
| [11:12:00] | fryfrog: | i mean, datadirect fills it |
| [11:12:00] | travolta: | on my amd 1ghz |
| [11:13:00] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: That's good to know. I've been aiming for a 10Gb drive for the OS/database and a more sizable second drive for video storage |
| [11:13:00] | Chipdancer: | hi fryfrog |
| [11:13:00] | Chipdancer: | how's the evening goign for you? |
| [11:13:00] | Chipdancer: | nearly hometime? |
| [11:13:00] | Chipdancer: | Dagmar: mine's currently 24M |
| [11:13:00] | rage-: | I've got one more ? that noone's been able to shed insight on thus far |
| [11:13:00] | fryfrog: | home time? |
| [11:13:00] | fryfrog: | nah, i'm at work |
| [11:13:00] | Dagmar: | I'm digging through the ml archives and it's a bit slow going for some stuff... just noticed some things about /mnt store and "ringbuffers" being mentioned |
| [11:14:00] | rage-: | when I tune to a channel that has multiple audio pids or w/e, it seems to select audio track 2 |
| [11:14:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: that's what I mean.. how long before you can head home? |
| [11:14:00] | rage-: | when what I want is track 1 |
| [11:14:00] | fryfrog: | 7 hours :) |
| [11:14:00] | rage-: | is there any way I can avoid this? |
| [11:14:00] | Chipdancer: | ahh, crap, you get the graveyard shift? |
| [11:14:00] | fryfrog: | grave and early morn |
| [11:14:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: have you ever setup a frontend so that it can also assist (cpu wise) with transcoding etc? |
| [11:14:00] | Dagmar: | I can sympathize. I work 7pm-730am on my shift |
| [11:14:00] | fryfrog: | no |
| [11:15:00] | fryfrog: | midnight to noon here :) |
| [11:15:00] | Chipdancer: | man, that's a crap shift |
| [11:15:00] | Chipdancer: | hope it pays well |
| [11:15:00] | fryfrog: | 7on, 7off |
| [11:15:00] | fryfrog: | better than it should for sure :) |
| [11:15:00] | Chipdancer: | ahh, good then |
| [11:15:00] | Dagmar: | You get to dodge having anything to do with traffic |
| [11:15:00] | Chipdancer: | Dagmar: true, but small reward |
| [11:15:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: what about dual processor backends and transcoding such that you can transcode more than one program at a time? |
| [11:16:00] | Dagmar: | Chipdancer: I kinda pissed it away in my case by moving into an apartment about four miles from the office |
| [11:16:00] | Dagmar: | Gonna get a bike, tho. :) |
| [11:17:00] | fryfrog: | Chipdancer: wasn't there an option for how many threads to run? |
| [11:17:00] | fryfrog: | i swear i remember running 2 threads on my dual cpu play toy while i was using it for myth |
| [11:17:00] | Dagmar: | This mythtv thing is clearly going to be the bitchiest thing I've ever built in my life |
| [11:17:00] | Chipdancer: | Dagmar: 4 miles, geez, just walk it! |
| [11:17:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: you can set that from the front end? |
| [11:17:00] | Dagmar: | Chipdancer: I get bored _that_ fast. |
| [11:17:00] | fryfrog: | Chipdancer: think so |
| [11:17:00] | ** Chipdancer fires up mythfrontend0.18.1 on the mac ** | |
| [11:18:00] | Dagmar: | I might walk it some in the fall, but mainly if I'm awake, I'm online so slowly walking for 45 minutes makes me nervous. |
| [11:18:00] | Chipdancer: | nup, didn't see it |
| [11:19:00] | Chipdancer: | any hints as to where it is? |
| [11:19:00] | Chipdancer: | (I've only had 1 beer :) |
| [11:19:00] | fryfrog: | something about jobs i think |
| [11:19:00] | fryfrog: | asside from that, i dunno |
| [11:19:00] | travolta: | Chipdancer, in the job settings |
| [11:19:00] | Dagmar: | I'm a little digusted with what I'm going to have to do for a chassis on this thing. It's looking like I'm actually going to buy an eMachines box |
| [11:20:00] | Chipdancer: | travolta: more information? |
| [11:20:00] | Chipdancer: | (I'm assuming this is from the frontend) |
| [11:21:00] | travolta: | yes, or in mythtv-setup |
| [11:21:00] | Chipdancer: | they're very differnet locations |
| [11:22:00] | travolta: | but only in two places they can be, those two |
| [11:22:00] | Chipdancer: | is it actually in the frontend somewhere, or do i need to login to the backend box and run mythtv-setup? |
| [11:23:00] | rage-: | when what I want is track 1 |
| [11:23:00] | rage-: | er |
| [11:23:00] | rage-: | oops |
| [11:23:00] | rage-: | when I tune to a channel that has multiple audio pids or w/e, it seems to select audio track 2 |
| [11:23:00] | rage-: | that's what I meant to put in there ;p |
| [11:23:00] | travolta: | Chipdancer, did you look in settings in frontend ? |
| [11:23:00] | travolta: | it is there, i'm sure |
| [11:23:00] | Chipdancer: | yes, setup->general |
| [11:24:00] | rage-: | I've done some googling and it seems myth has some audio pid autodetection stuff... why would it detect the second track instead of the first? |
| [11:24:00] | rage-: | and is there an override? something to make it always select audio pid 1? |
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| [11:29:00] | travolta: | Chipdancer, yes, it is in mythtv-setup |
| [11:29:00] | Chipdancer: | travolta: thanks... |
| [11:29:00] | Chipdancer: | just a PITA at the moment.. |
| [11:29:00] | ** Chipdancer fires up X11 on his MacTop ** | |
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| [11:31:00] | rage-: | can't anyone enlighten me on the audio pid/track selection? |
| [11:34:00] | travolta: | what is pid? |
| [11:34:00] | rage-: | well whatever its reffered to |
| [11:34:00] | travolta: | look in keys.txt to find the key to switch audio tracks |
| [11:34:00] | travolta: | i dont know , thats why i was asking |
| [11:35:00] | travolta: | it is in the root of the source distrobution of mythtv |
| [11:35:00] | rage-: | well I can manually change the audio track fine |
| [11:35:00] | rage-: | but I have a feeling that when I try to schedule record something, it will select the wrong track by default |
| [11:35:00] | rage-: | which is going to be a pain |
| [11:36:00] | fryfrog: | you don't like spanish? :) |
| [11:36:00] | rage-: | no! |
| [11:37:00] | mikmor1: | are there any known problems with selinux and myth by chance? |
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| [11:37:00] | Dagmar: | Think of it as a learning experience. |
| [11:37:00] | rage-: | I tried that learning experience in high school |
| [11:37:00] | Dagmar: | You could someday wind up in a bar in mexico and want the bartender to change the channel. |
| [11:37:00] | rage-: | if I were to go to mexico, I could find a bathroom and a beer... I'd be set. |
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| [13:04:00] | malaTG: | Anyone here know when the next stable release will come? |
| [13:05:00] | Chipdancer: | 0.19 is rumoured to be out soon |
| [13:06:00] | malaTG: | cool |
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| [13:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | Umm Rumoured by who ?:) |
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| [13:37:00] | Chipdancer: | GreyFoxx: don't recall, but I did notice someone posting a CVS changelog here a few days ago |
| [13:43:00] | rage-: | question: lets say I have a recording set to end in 2 hours, and I set my sleep for 1 hour |
| [13:43:00] | rage-: | what will this do? :) |
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| [14:01:00] | lightx: | bought on ebay or something |
| [14:02:00] | lightx: | to have 2 signal coming in.. |
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| [16:51:00] | HighLife: | Is the MythTV v18.1 e-build for gentoo incompatible with mysql 4.1??? I'm getting a specific error message in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log it says "QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" |
| [16:53:00] | PatrickDK: | you have to recompile qt |
| [16:53:00] | PatrickDK: | y |
| [16:53:00] | HighLife: | PatrickDK... dang. I even have the mysql use flag turned on for x11-libs/qt |
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| [16:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | HighLife: Before recompiling check to see if you have libqsqlmysql.so |
| [17:02:00] | PatrickDK: | where would libqsqlmysql.so be? |
| [17:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | the QT mysql plugin library |
| [17:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can get that error if it's not finding it along the library path |
| [17:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | A lot of people recompile when all they need to do is add an entry to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| [17:03:00] | PatrickDK: | hmm, in the qt directory, under plugins/sqldrivers |
| [17:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [17:04:00] | PatrickDK: | dunno, so far, 3 out of 3 times, when people say mysql 4.1 |
| [17:04:00] | PatrickDK: | they just upgraded to it |
| [17:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | Before recompiling because of that particular error make sure that libmysqlclient and libqsqlmysql are on the library path |
| [17:04:00] | PatrickDK: | and qt is still compiled with 4.0 or 3.x libs |
| [17:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm just saying they should check first. It takes 30 seconds and could save a lot of time |
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| [17:17:00] | HighLife: | greyfox... do I need to reboot... or how do i have thoses changes i made to /etc/ld.so.conf affective immediately? |
| [17:17:00] | HighLife: | env-update? |
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| [17:20:00] | PatrickDK: | run ldconfig |
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| [17:25:00] | HighLife: | my /etc/env.d has a directive 50qtdir3 which has QTDIR=/usr/qt/3 ... but my libqsqlmysql.so is in /usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so |
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| [17:30:00] | HighLife: | GreyFoxx: /usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so gentoo automatically generates my /etc/ld.so.conf... I need help putting it somwhere else like in /etc/env.d |
| [17:30:00] | Chutt: | that's the right place, there's no need to change things to look for it specifically |
| [17:31:00] | HighLife: | Chutt: which is the right place? |
| [17:31:00] | Chutt: | where it was installed to. |
| [17:31:00] | Chutt: | you just need to recompile against mysql 4.1 |
| [17:31:00] | HighLife: | GreyFoxx says not so |
| [17:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | That's not what I said. I said to make sure that it was finding the libraries |
| [17:32:00] | HighLife: | Well, 50qtdir3 sets QTDIR=/usr/qt/3... |
| [17:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've come across several instances where it wouldn't load libqsqlmysql until I placed the path to it in my ld.so.conf |
| [17:32:00] | Chutt: | really? |
| [17:32:00] | HighLife: | any reason why it doesn't look at ../plugins/sqldrivers/? |
| [17:32:00] | Chutt: | that's funky |
| [17:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [17:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | HighLife: Not being a Gentoo user I wouldn't know |
| [17:33:00] | HighLife: | well... I put it in my /etc/ld.so.conf and ran env-update and ldconfig... |
| [17:34:00] | HighLife: | but my mythbackendlog still showed QMYSQL3 driver not loaded. |
| [17:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | ldconfig -v | grep libqsqlmysql |
| [17:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | does that show it now ? |
| [17:34:00] | PatrickDK: | in my ld.so.conf is /usr/lib/qt/lib |
| [17:34:00] | PatrickDK: | my qt dir is /usr/lib/qt |
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| [17:36:00] | Chutt: | it doesn't show up for me :p |
| [17:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Chutt: When you last compiled QT did you specify shared? I think it defaults to static so it might be included in libqt |
| [17:36:00] | PatrickDK: | not for me either |
| [17:36:00] | Chutt: | i've never, ever compiled qt |
| [17:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ahhh |
| [17:37:00] | PatrickDK: | I think it's qtdir that qt uses to find and load the plugins |
| [17:37:00] | PatrickDK: | not ldconfig |
| [17:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | *sigh* |
| [17:37:00] | PatrickDK: | ldconfig is just for a program to find qt |
| [17:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | If i hadn't run into it 20 times I would agree |
| [17:37:00] | PatrickDK: | that is how it seems to work on my systm |
| [17:38:00] | HighLife: | GreyFoxx: you're not gentoo... and my /etc/ld.so.conf is automatically generated... I don't think I can make changes to it... they don't stick. :( |
| [17:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | I first found it by stracing myth when I got the error and I could see it failing to load |
| [17:38:00] | PatrickDK: | hmm, mine is compiled shared |
| [17:38:00] | HighLife: | can anyone suggest how else I can have the right directory parsed? |
| [17:39:00] | PatrickDK: | highlife, what is the full dir to libqsqlmysql.so? |
| [17:39:00] | PatrickDK: | and wat is in your /etc/ld.so.conf |
| [17:40:00] | HighLife: | my /etc/ld.so.conf = http://pastebin.com/383908 |
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| [17:41:00] | HighLife: | the file is in /usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so |
| [17:41:00] | PatrickDK: | type, export QTDIR=/usr/qt/3 |
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| [17:45:00] | HighLife: | PatrickDK: I did export QTDIR and then ran mythfrontend... I still have the QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QPSQL7 |
| [17:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | hrnm, you didn;t mention that last part last time :) |
| [17:46:00] | HighLife: | GreyFoxx: does that make it an easier problem to understand for me? |
| [17:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Looks like you do have a recompile in your future :) |
| [17:47:00] | PatrickDK: | heh, only postgres sql driver? |
| [17:47:00] | HighLife: | PatrickDK... I specified use flags in gentoo for QT to support most everything. |
| [17:48:00] | PatrickDK: | well, I dinn't about gentoo |
| [17:48:00] | PatrickDK: | I use use ./configure with the flags it wants |
| [17:48:00] | HighLife: | GreyFoxx: specifically which packages will i want to recompile? |
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| [17:54:00] | Krazylegz: | Pffft. Chutt doesn't have any peers. |
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| [17:55:00] | HighLife: | I'm recompiling x11-libs/qt |
| [17:55:00] | nawab: | HighLife: iirc you need USE="mysql" emerge qt |
| [17:57:00] | HighLife: | nawab: here's my useflags for qt. http://pastebin.com/383920 |
| [18:00:00] | nawab: | hmm, that looks right to me. |
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| [18:19:00] | jhoke: | res |
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| [18:30:00] | malaTG: | Anyone know a good hand control for xmame. My present gamepad gets configured wrong with xmame |
| [18:31:00] | malaTG: | Which is strange because I have configured it for zsnes and fceultra |
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| [18:59:00] | jhoke: | re's |
| [19:01:00] | jhoke: | can someone explain why I am getting these compiliation errors when running make (mythplugins SVN) http://pastebin.com/384018 |
| [19:01:00] | jhoke: | it dies complaining about libkhtml not being compatable, then not finding it... |
| [19:04:00] | jhoke: | mythbrowser is not a deal breaker and all...its just pissin me off :-D |
| [19:04:00] | Chutt: | looks like you have a 32 bit version of it |
| [19:04:00] | Chutt: | not a 64-bit one |
| [19:05:00] | jhoke: | hmmm... I have both.. and tried removing the libs from the /lib and it puked on the lib64 as well.. will do it again and pastebin it ;) |
| [19:10:00] | jhoke: | if I move the libkhtml.* from /opt/kde3/lib it does not find the same files in /opt/kde3/lib64 ...both are listed in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| [19:10:00] | Chutt: | dunno |
| [19:10:00] | jhoke: | heh... it is just strange... |
| [19:11:00] | jhoke: | one of the things I hate about 64bit distros is all the 32bit cruft |
| [19:11:00] | Chutt: | mine doesn't have much =) |
| [19:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Is there an advantage to running Myth on a 64-bit system? |
| [19:12:00] | Chutt: | not really |
| [19:12:00] | Krazylegz: | If there was, then we should get to work on porting Myth to Irix so I can run it on my Indy. :-P |
| [19:12:00] | jhoke: | Chutt what are you running? |
| [19:12:00] | Chutt: | ubuntu breezy |
| [19:13:00] | jhoke: | I think I will give that a shot... tried Hoary had some issues |
| [19:13:00] | Krazylegz: | Fo sheezey. |
| [19:13:00] | ** Beirdo shakes his head ** | |
| [19:13:00] | jhoke: | but they were most likely PEBKAC |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | jhoke: fix your problems, constantly switching distros is unlikely to fix pebcak |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:14:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm, I guess that acronym does work both ways. |
| [19:14:00] | jhoke: | Beirdo... I still have ubuntu on *that* box... this is another that I have around house to fuck with |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | OK |
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| [19:25:00] | smoke_: | hey guys, sorry to bother you guys again with one of my lame ass questions :), but i was wondering how the visor theme has the myth_logo.jpg file as a header to the background on the main menu, but when you goto the mythmusic plugin it removes it some how... ive been trying to do it on my own theme but it seems like its not working.. is there something in the mythmusic menu that replaces it or something? thanks. |
| [19:30:00] | beavis: | I can't compile my setup anymore: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| [19:30:00] | beavis: | with the latest svn |
| [19:32:00] | laga: | beavis: aren't there any error messages before that? |
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| [19:34:00] | beavis: | lots of undefined references but they seem just to be warnings |
| [19:34:00] | beavis: | main.o: In function `~ConfigurationDialog': |
| [19:34:00] | beavis: | ../libs/libmyth/settings.h:212: undefined reference to `VTT for ClearDialog' |
| [19:34:00] | beavis: | main.o: In function `~ClearDialog': |
| [19:35:00] | laga: | beavis: did you do a make distclean? ;) |
| [19:35:00] | beavis: | jo |
| [19:35:00] | Rince: | Beirdo: are you awake? I still fiddle around with ffmpeg and nuvexport. Where do you set the "-hq"-parameter? Since ffmpeg doesn't recognise that anymore apparently... |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | dunno |
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| [19:37:00] | Rince: | damned :) I can't find it yet :) |
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| [20:16:00] | malaTG: | A stupid question : Where do I find the log to mythtv my xmame won't start and I want to know why? |
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| [20:32:00] | McScruff: | lo |
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| [20:41:00] | McScruff: | has anyone got the setup to compile for xbox? |
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| [20:59:00] | DaSkreech: | MythLogBot: can I search the logs? |
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| [21:00:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh. Google indexes them. |
| [21:02:00] | Ashak: | Hello people. I'm having some serious issues getting epg for a dvb card to work reliably under mythtv, in the UK, I can't seem to find anything anywhere that actually works and gives me the epg. Sometimes when I initially setup channels it populates the epg for the channels it's found from the 'on air' guide. But after 7 days they run out. And I can't work out how I can get epg data from xmltv radio times source to link up to the dvb channels, rathe |
| [21:03:00] | Ashak: | ... makes sense) |
| [21:03:00] | DaSkreech: | Huh? |
| [21:04:00] | Ashak: | I will try to explain further... |
| [21:05:00] | McScruff: | whats the command to add a patch |
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| [21:06:00] | Ashak: | If I try to setup a Video Source, with United Kingdom (alternative) as my XMLTV listings grabber, it runs the configuration in a seperate window, in which I list the channels that I wish to get epg data for... That seems to work ok. |
| [21:06:00] | Krazylegz: | McScruff: patch |
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| [21:06:00] | McScruff: | just "patch <name of patch>" |
| [21:06:00] | Ashak: | Then, in the channels editor I Scan for Channels and it happily finds all the channels available to my dvb card. |
| [21:07:00] | Ashak: | However, in mythweb, I then end up with two lots of channels, one lot from the xmltv stuff, and one lot from the dvb card's channels. |
| [21:07:00] | Krazylegz: | McScruff: You might want to pass some arguments. |
| [21:07:00] | McScruff: | ghey |
| [21:07:00] | McScruff: | can you only patch source? |
| [21:08:00] | Ashak: | The dvb card channels start out with epg data for 7 days, taken from the on air guide, but they never seem to get updated. (I see no option of a way to force it to try to update it either). |
| [21:08:00] | Ashak: | The xml tv channels are updated each time mythfilldatabase is executed, but if I try to record one of these channels, as it doesn't know anything about the dvb card, it doesn't record anything. |
| [21:09:00] | Ashak: | It seems to me as though i'm missing either a way to link the dvb card channels with the xml tv channels, or a way to force the on air epg data to be updated regularly. |
| [21:10:00] | McScruff: | here's my situation – I want to run mythTV on my xbox (yes there is one ported) but i need to add a patch :S |
| [21:10:00] | sandos: | McScruff: Ive always done patch -p1 < patch |
| [21:11:00] | Ashak: | Nearly everything I can find relating to my problem seems related to 0.16 or 0.17. |
| [21:11:00] | Ashak: | I'm sure there must be other uk peopl eusing mythtv the same way as I am, and doing it successfully. |
| [21:12:00] | McScruff: | cough "stealing tv" cough |
| [21:13:00] | McScruff: | dvb-c? |
| [21:13:00] | Ashak: | 'no, dvb-t |
| [21:13:00] | McScruff: | dang |
| [21:13:00] | Ashak: | Can you steal dvb-c then? |
| [21:14:00] | Ashak: | 'I was pretty sure it was possible from other things i've read... just never looked into it. |
| [21:14:00] | McScruff: | i cant say |
| [21:14:00] | McScruff: | as its ilegal |
| [21:14:00] | Ashak: | ok :) |
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| [21:17:00] | atix: | hi |
| [21:18:00] | Krazylegz: | xris: Are you around? |
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| [21:19:00] | sskk: | hi... Will I be able to boost the performance of the mythbox in a way that I will notice, if I port from knoppmyth to gentoo – Would really like to here somebodys opinion ... |
| [21:20:00] | kormoc: | uhh |
| [21:21:00] | kormoc: | likly not |
| [21:21:00] | kormoc: | you'd spend way more time getting gentoo installed and myth working then you'd ever get out of a boost in performance |
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| [21:22:00] | Krazylegz: | But think of the emerges! |
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| [21:25:00] | sskk: | I feared that answer kormoc... I've just heard so many people embrace the speed of gentoo, that I'll have to consider it... maybe I should ask the same question in a gentoo channel instead – no.. that's a predictable answer.. |
| [21:25:00] | kormoc: | sskk, I am a gentoo user, but the speed boost you get is minimal, it's the package management and file system layout that attracts me to it. |
| [21:26:00] | Krazylegz: | Indeed. |
| [21:26:00] | Ashak: | Me too :) |
| [21:27:00] | sskk: | ok. that was interesting information... guess I'll skip the idea and watch my recorded showings instead ;) |
| [21:27:00] | sskk: | thanks |
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| [21:44:00] | Beirdo: | heheheehe |
| [21:44:00] | Beirdo: | sounds like Martha Stewart just found out one of the problems of being an ex-con |
| [21:45:00] | Beirdo: | she can't come to Canada anymore! Hahahaha |
| [21:45:00] | Krazylegz: | It's true. |
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| [21:45:00] | Beirdo: | unless you're GW Bush (who has DUI convictions), we don't let felons into Canada |
| [21:45:00] | Beirdo: | being head of state has SOME perks |
| [21:48:00] | [Klatuu]: | so |
| [21:48:00] | [Klatuu]: | is 802.11a turbo mode working? |
| [21:49:00] | Beirdo: | muh? |
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| [21:49:00] | [Klatuu]: | wrong window |
| [21:49:00] | [Klatuu]: | :) |
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| [21:51:00] | malaTG: | does anyone have an idea why xmame just blinks when I try to start it? |
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| [21:52:00] | kahuna_: | Hi. I was wondering if it's feasible to have mythtv and vdr on the same box and be able to choose from them with my remote in GDM, then run a custom XSession to auto start either app depending on what user I log in as. All without a password (no keyboard). |
| [21:52:00] | Beirdo: | how would we know? |
| [21:52:00] | Beirdo: | that's more a gnome + lirc question than anything |
| [21:53:00] | malaTG: | okej just wondering can start it from the command line but not from myth |
| [21:53:00] | kahuna_: | Could be. Maybe someone here has done it before. |
| [21:53:00] | Beirdo: | kinda doubt it, kahuna_, but good luck |
| [21:53:00] | Beirdo: | I doubt many people here use vdr at all |
| [21:53:00] | kahuna_: | I'll let the world know if I'm successful. |
| [21:54:00] | kahuna_: | I'll be using DVB and Mythtv too. |
| [21:58:00] | o_cee: | Beirdo, you using mythphone? |
| [21:58:00] | Beirdo: | nah, i tried it briefly and realized I didn't like it |
| [21:59:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: what's up? |
| [21:59:00] | Krazylegz: | Nevermind, you slacker. :-P |
| [21:59:00] | o_cee: | Beirdo, i'd just like to have it so that i could see when i have an incoming call... thought it'd be as easy as just registering it on another port, but it doesn't work |
| [21:59:00] | Krazylegz: | I had some questions about Perl. Mostly going to solicit for good tutorial and documentation links. |
| [21:59:00] | Krazylegz: | The girlfriend is having to do Perl in a bio class. |
| [21:59:00] | o_cee: | xris, hey, tried mythweb on my sonyericsson k700i over gprs today, really cool :) would be an idea to limit the pagesizes though, got kind of big |
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| [22:01:00] | o_cee: | getting lots of these: SIP: Unknown method UNKNOWN-OPTIONS |
| [22:01:00] | o_cee: | :/ |
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| [22:10:00] | xris: | o_cee: I have no way to test cell phone stuff |
| [22:11:00] | o_cee: | xris, i've seen some wap emulator, but i can understand that you won't put any effort into it. it worked at least, i'll see if i'll dig into it some day |
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| [22:12:00] | xris: | there's a guy who's been giving me wml/wap updates. I don't really even know what's what. |
| [22:13:00] | xris: | I'm stuck in a crappy cell phone plan if I wanted to do data. |
| [22:14:00] | atix: | Is there a command line interface for recording setup? Some kind of script? |
| [22:16:00] | atix: | I'd like to control it via email sometimes instead of web interface. |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | we look forward to your patches |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | not that I've heard of |
| [22:17:00] | atix: | some hints? I suppose I should modify the mysql database. |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | write a daemon that accepts some sort of commands that you scrape out of email, and sends commands to the backend? |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | I hope you make it secured |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | guess it doesn't NEED to be a daemon |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | as long as it knows how to talk to the backend, you could just make it connect, do the commands, disconnect and quit |
| [22:21:00] | atix: | there are programs to fetch a mail and start a perl script according to the subject but I do not know how to configure recording. |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | look at what mythweb does as a start |
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| [22:25:00] | smoke_: | Beirdo, you know where i can find some type of references for the video/music/gallery-ui.xml files to change the background soemthing differnet than the main page.. i tried doing it as a background i want, then putting a logo over the whole screen fo rhte mainpage, but that doesnt work like i thought it would like in the visor theme... any idea why? or how i could specify the background in the video-ui/gallery/music? .. sorr |
| [22:25:00] | smoke_: | y for the dumb question if it is, but i seriously need help with this heh, ive been looking at the stuff on mythtv.info and i havent found any theme releated info that i need to change the background of the other uis.... |
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| [22:26:00] | Beirdo: | if I knew I woulda answered you like a week ago when you started asking |
| [22:26:00] | atix: | Beirdo, the idea come from here http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/41/Video_ . . . er_Email.pdf |
| [22:26:00] | Beirdo: | you need to figure it out for yourself, most people don't mess with the themes |
| [22:27:00] | smoke_: | ok thanks.. (yeah ive been trying to mess with it, i got pretty far, just been stuck at this one for a few days :/) |
| [22:27:00] | simon_c: | atix: I was looking through the contrib directory the other day, I seem to recall one of those scripts talks about emails recoding schedules to myth |
| [22:27:00] | simon_c: | atix: Is that what you're trying to do ? |
| [22:28:00] | atix: | yes |
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| [22:30:00] | BockBilbo: | hello |
| [22:30:00] | sskk: | hello |
| [22:30:00] | atix: | simon_c: if it exists I have to find out how to use, only |
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| [22:31:00] | BockBilbo: | Ive bought a pinnacle PCTV Deluxe card... which works on linux by piping the output of a program to a mpeg program.... any of you know if its possible to use this card for mythtv? |
| [22:31:00] | smoke_: | look at the chipset with lspci |
| [22:32:00] | knight_: | the PCTV card is terrible. |
| [22:32:00] | BockBilbo: | knight_, it is.. right? :S |
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| [22:33:00] | knight_: | I have one in my closet collecting dust from many many years ago |
| [22:33:00] | BockBilbo: | im thinking of returning it back |
| [22:33:00] | BockBilbo: | which one do you use now knight_ ? |
| [22:33:00] | knight_: | Do it. Get a Hauppage WinTV 150/250/350/500 |
| [22:34:00] | BockBilbo: | knight_, is it supported by v4l? |
| [22:34:00] | BockBilbo: | a friend has told me to get Plextor ConvertX PX-TV402U |
| [22:36:00] | BockBilbo: | is it goof? |
| [22:39:00] | xris: | atix: I'll eventually abstract the mythbackend code from nuvexport into a more generic library for general CLI use... but nothing soon. |
| [22:40:00] | xris: | knight_: funny, when I first started using myth, I was told that the pctv pro was one of the best v4l cards available. |
| [22:40:00] | xris: | doesn't compare to my new 150, but it's better than a lot I've seen. |
| [22:40:00] | BockBilbo: | xris, which one do you use? |
| [22:40:00] | sskk: | don't get a pvr-150 |
| [22:40:00] | xris: | sskk: 150 is the current most-recommended card |
| [22:40:00] | xris: | BockBilbo: pvr-150 + air2pc |
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| [22:41:00] | BockBilbo: | xris, so pvr150 is the most recommended one? |
| [22:42:00] | sskk: | xris: ?! – I can't watch sports, recorded with my pvr-150 – it's moving too fast. |
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| [22:42:00] | Beirdo: | higher bitrate, lower resolution |
| [22:42:00] | Beirdo: | and stop watching sports :) |
| [22:42:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:42:00] | Mauriez: | has any one here ever setup a mythfrontend on a different box then the backend was running? |
| [22:43:00] | ** Beirdo wonders how bad the Leafs/Sens game tonight will look ** | |
| [22:43:00] | xris: | sskk: change the settings |
| [22:43:00] | BockBilbo: | xris, cant use pvr-150 cause i need a usb capturer... |
| [22:43:00] | xris: | sskk: all cards record at NTSC or PAL framerates... so you only get what you can receive. |
| [22:43:00] | BockBilbo: | which would be agood option? |
| [22:43:00] | xris: | BockBilbo: then the (very expensive) plextor is the only one |
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| [22:44:00] | xris: | no other usb tuners have linux drivers. |
| [22:44:00] | BockBilbo: | xris, its for my laptop.. so its my only option i guess... unless there is any good pcmcia option |
| [22:44:00] | xris: | only other option is for digital cable + firewire |
| [22:44:00] | BockBilbo: | xris well my pinnacle pctv delux has.. but they are a bit piece of shit... |
| [22:45:00] | sskk: | xris: I would be very much interested in hearing what settings you think I should tune... the resolution and bitrate just from the mythfrontend as bierdo suggested? |
| [22:45:00] | BockBilbo: | the digital cable + fireware option would be even more expensive than the plextor option? |
| [22:45:00] | xris: | sskk: 720x480 at about 6000–9000kbps |
| [22:45:00] | xris: | and a FAST computer to play back. |
| [22:46:00] | xris: | BockBilbo: aren't the plextor tuners like $300? firewire card is $20, digital cable is, well, whatever you'd pay for digital cable. |
| [22:46:00] | sskk: | it's using around 20 % cpu, when playing, so I guess computer power will be no problem. I'm in PAL land, but I guess that makes no different |
| [22:46:00] | BockBilbo: | xris, 179 € ... about 190 $ |
| [22:46:00] | PatrickDK: | sskk, pal/ntsc even out exaclty |
| [22:47:00] | PatrickDK: | the 480vs576 and 25vs30 compenate |
| [22:47:00] | sskk: | ok, smart. |
| [22:48:00] | sskk: | thanks xris – really looking forward to test that ! |
| [22:49:00] | Mauriez: | does someone know the connections going back and forth between the backend and frontend? |
| [22:49:00] | xris: | sskk: you'll want 720x576 for pal, and if your bitrate or frame size is too low, the encoder will just mix pixels together so you won't see action even when there is. |
| [22:50:00] | xris: | you should have NO speed problems, though.. and pvr-150 is far better than any v4l card I've seen. |
| [22:50:00] | xris: | Mauriez: um, you put in the correct IP, open up firewall ports (turn off selinux if necessary) |
| [22:52:00] | Mauriez: | i have that.. my frontend works.. until i want to watch tv or a recording.. my frontend then complains 'is your backend up' .. all services are reachable from the frontend box by telnet... |
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| [22:54:00] | Chipdancer: | Mauriez: the frontend, I assume, is a linux host running mythfrontend? |
| [22:55:00] | Chipdancer: | if so, you need to open up mysql(3306) and the mythtv ports(6543 and 6544) |
| [22:55:00] | atix: | I found a mythmail perl script in contrib. I think it does something what I'd like |
| [22:55:00] | Beirdo: | oh good |
| [22:55:00] | Mauriez: | chip: its an xbox running xebian. i can reach the ports manually.. |
| [22:56:00] | Beirdo: | what did you set as the backend IP in the setup program? |
| [22:56:00] | Chipdancer: | hrmm, if it's running xebian, it should be a full mythfrontend... |
| [22:56:00] | Chipdancer: | turn on firewall logging on your backend to see what's failing |
| [22:56:00] | Mauriez: | i have no firewalling atm |
| [22:57:00] | Mauriez: | i set the ip 10.0.0.150 .. |
| [22:57:00] | Chipdancer: | sounds a lot like the issue I have with my xbox frontend, however, I'm using XBMC and xbmcmythtv |
| [22:57:00] | Mauriez: | plus.. when trying to connect to port 6543 and 6544 using telnet its fine |
| [22:58:00] | Mauriez: | chip: i have a similar thing with xbmc.. |
| [22:58:00] | Mauriez: | but i thought that was a problem with xbmc :-) |
| [22:58:00] | Chipdancer: | can you play the recordings using xbmc directly (by browsing to the SMB share) |
| [22:59:00] | Mauriez: | the .nuv files you mean? |
| [22:59:00] | Chipdancer: | yes |
| [22:59:00] | Mauriez: | i havent tried yet.. one sec.. will do that |
| [22:59:00] | BockBilbo: | thanks for all:) |
| [22:59:00] | BockBilbo: | bye! |
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| [23:02:00] | atix: | bye |
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| [23:07:00] | Mauriez: | chip: that works, so the mplayer is fine i guess |
| [23:09:00] | Mauriez: | chip: with xbmc/mythtv the problem is that i cant watch live tv.. |
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| [23:10:00] | Mauriez: | chip: and after that failure i cant seem to get back in the mail menu.... |
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| [23:15:00] | Chipdancer: | Mauriez: you can watch mythtv recordings using xmbcmythtv? |
| [23:16:00] | Chipdancer: | damn, I can't... I can watch the .nuv files manually by browsing to the SMB share they're on, but not using the python scripts |
| [23:16:00] | Chipdancer: | sorry, I can't help with the live tv issue |
| [23:16:00] | Chipdancer: | I used to have one with that under 0.15 but it went away with the upgrade to 0.18 |
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| [23:18:00] | Mauriez: | chip: i can see it with samba – not with the python |
| [23:18:00] | Mauriez: | chip: it sounds/feels like the same problem i have in xebian |
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| [23:44:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hey guys I set a transcode job last night at 127am |
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| [23:45:00] | SlicerDicer-: | it has just stayed in queue any ideas what would cause that? |
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| [23:58:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc, you around? |
| [23:58:00] | Beirdo: | I'm round |
| [23:58:00] | Beirdo: | kinda |
| [23:58:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:58:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [23:58:00] | SlicerDicer-: | do you have any idea why a job would set in queue for over 12 hours |
| [23:58:00] | SlicerDicer-: | nothing else is in queue |
| [23:58:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I am trying to get a video to transcode |
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