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Thursday, September 29th, 2005, 00:05 UTC
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[00:08:00] sputnik: delgul – probably mixer settings are not right
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[00:11:00] vibey: at my job they asked me to do research on replacing a tivo with another pvr...we currently capture video off the tivo...set ins and outs... encode for wm.. and then upload to a streaming server... would setting up a myth tv improve this scenario?
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[00:17:00] foobum: quitting the frontend shouldn't stop in-progress recordings should it?
[00:17:00] kormoc: foobum, no it shouldn't
[00:18:00] ccorax: read the "shouldn't"... ;-)
[00:18:00] foobum: thought as much...
[00:18:00] foobum: grr.. what could cause a truncated recording?
[00:19:00] Icks: stopping the backend...
[00:19:00] foobum: i've now got roughly a third of the Beavis and Butthead movie :/
[00:19:00] foobum: yeah.. didn't do that
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[00:25:00] Delgul: sputnik: I tried that but it didnt help a bit I am afraid...
[00:25:00] syle: anyone ever experience this: you rip a dvd and you get the director cut instead?
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[00:30:00] sputnik: delgul did you make sure that the right input was selected?
[00:30:00] sputnik: it is probably set properly for recording, just not for playback
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[00:37:00] Delgul: sputnik: I am pretty sure... I opened all channels. No effect. And it used to work before... I am really at a loss...
[00:40:00] Delgul: ah now something is making sense... I only have a problem when playing sound from /dev/video1 on my pvr500...
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[00:52:00] smoke_: hey ... do i add the path to the font im going to use in my theme file?
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[00:54:00] jhoke: evenin'
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[00:55:00] fir3st0rm: hi
[00:55:00] fir3st0rm: i've got problems installing yum on fedora
[00:55:00] Beirdo: maybe try #fedora
[00:55:00] dev-: wrong chan? heh
[00:55:00] jhoke: has anyone come across a DVD that "disappears" after ripping? I ripped my copy of Raging Bull to disk and I see it sitting there during the rip, but afterwards its gone
[00:55:00] fir3st0rm: lol
[00:55:00] fir3st0rm: they said i should ask here
[00:55:00] jhoke: lol
[00:55:00] smoke_: anyoen here a themer?
[00:56:00] Beirdo: why the HELL should you ask for Fedora support here
[00:56:00] jhoke: the vob in my rips directory just disappears
[00:56:00] jhoke: Beirdo, because the folks in #fedora suffer from cranial-rectal infractions?
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[00:57:00] dev-: aparently quite severe cases of it
[00:57:00] jhoke: :)
[00:57:00] fir3st0rm: can you help me pls ;)
[00:57:00] Beirdo: nope
[00:57:00] dev-: fortunately i can truthfully say i dont use fedora
[00:57:00] dev-: so no
[00:57:00] fir3st0rm: did you install mythtv with yum?
[00:57:00] dev-: though if its anything like es, which YEAH IT IS just install the freakin rpm
[00:57:00] dev-: now /part
[00:57:00] dev-: heh
[00:57:00] jhoke: all I know is yum is installed by default
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[00:58:00] kormoc: fir3st0rm, most of us don't use fedora or yum, hence why we can't really help
[00:58:00] jhoke: so, you need to read Jarod's HOWTO
[00:58:00] fir3st0rm: ok
[00:59:00] jhoke: so.. Raging Bull... Myth rips it, but it goes away... strange as hell.. like it is being deleted after it is ripped
[00:59:00] dev-: hrm
[00:59:00] jhoke: I ripped like 10 other dvds today w/out issue
[00:59:00] dev-: havent used myths ripping. but thats not good
[01:00:00] jhoke: I did manage to rip it with Video::DVDRip ... but I end up with 8 vob files... need to figure out how to concat them together (I dont transcode down)
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[01:00:00] jhoke: dev: yeah, weird as hell... brand new DVD and all
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[01:01:00] fir3st0rm: where can i find J-Rods guide?
[01:01:00] jhoke: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php
[01:01:00] EvilBob: thanks jhoke
[01:02:00] jhoke: or try googling "mythtv howto fedora" :)
[01:02:00] jhoke: n/p Evil
[01:02:00] fir3st0rm: these howtos i found give me the same erro
[01:02:00] fir3st0rm: r
[01:02:00] rjune: EvilBob: setting up myth on fedora is really easy
[01:03:00] jhoke: Firestorm, have you used fedora before?
[01:03:00] EvilBob: fir3st0rm: read it three times, taking notes, then actually do it
[01:03:00] rjune: EvilBob: you want the instructions?
[01:03:00] fir3st0rm: not really ^^
[01:03:00] jhoke: try knoppmyth then
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[01:03:00] fir3st0rm: i hate these bootcds with linux
[01:04:00] jhoke: ?
[01:04:00] rjune: they're greate, you get to try out new stuff w/out worring about your data
[01:04:00] fir3st0rm: knoppmyth = livecd?
[01:04:00] EvilBob: rjune: my stuff works fine, if you have something other than has been seen before I would love a look
[01:04:00] jhoke: AFAIK it is a myth based linux distro for people who are not comfy with linux
[01:04:00] fir3st0rm: i hate having the disk in drive always
[01:04:00] jhoke: oy vey
[01:05:00] jhoke: so, on a slightly more topical question :)
[01:05:00] rjune: EvilBob: install fc3, update, add livna enabled, add atrpms disabled, do a dry run install of mythtv-suite, install everything you can from fc3 + extras + livna, then install mythtv-suite from atrpms
[01:05:00] fir3st0rm: i just want to install myth
[01:05:00] rjune: fir3st0rm: can you install fc3 ?
[01:05:00] EvilBob: rjune: that is about how I did it
[01:06:00] jhoke: as Myth's ripper puked on this one DVD i ripped it the old fashioned way.. perl-Video::DVDRip ... is there any way to concat the multiple vobs? would "cat 0002.vob >> 0001.vob" for example work?
[01:06:00] fir3st0rm: i have fc4 installed
[01:06:00] fir3st0rm: y go back to 3?
[01:07:00] jhoke: have you read the URL I gave you yet?
[01:07:00] jhoke: that howto is for FC4 and Myth, I have done those instructions numerous times for friends & family and they are spot on perfect
[01:09:00] fir3st0rm: it fails here: yum install mythtv-suite
[01:10:00] fir3st0rm: Parsing package install arguments
[01:10:00] fir3st0rm: No Match for argument: mythtv-suite
[01:10:00] fir3st0rm: Nothing to do
[01:11:00] jhoke: have you added the ATRPMS to Yum as the HOWTO instructs you ?
[01:11:00] fir3st0rm: it doesnt dl the package
[01:11:00] fir3st0rm: ATRPMS?
[01:12:00] jhoke: specifically have you done exactly as shown HERE http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#xtrarepos
[01:12:00] jhoke: if you did you would know what ATRPMS are and not be having ANY trouble
[01:12:00] jhoke: howtos are for reading... not just printing and lining your parakeet cage :)
[01:12:00] fir3st0rm: ah yes i added that
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[01:13:00] GreyFoxx: People actually print them? What a novel concept
[01:13:00] EvilBob: Beirdo: please keep in mind, there is not one person in #fedora that supports the use of atRPMs for any reason.
[01:13:00] Beirdo: so?
[01:13:00] jhoke: try yum list myth* and tell me what repositories are listed
[01:13:00] jhoke: Evil: screw them
[01:13:00] EvilBob: Beirdo: that is why I suggested fir3st0rm come here to find the guide
[01:14:00] xris: EvilBob: with good reason. but until livna gets mythtv packages (next release, likely), there's no other choice.
[01:14:00] jhoke: Evil, he seems to have the guide, just not the guile ;)
[01:14:00] fir3st0rm: ok
[01:14:00] EvilBob: xris: we can only hope
[01:14:00] fir3st0rm: Added 2 new packages, deleted 2 old in 1.77 seconds
[01:14:00] jhoke: FC users really have no choice, atrpms or build from scratch
[01:15:00] fir3st0rm: that's what it says ;)
[01:15:00] jhoke: firestorm, try answering the question, what repos did it list as downloading from?
[01:15:00] xris: EvilBob: well, since they've been bugging me for months to make packages for them, I'd hope that it happens.
[01:16:00] jhoke: Fire: you should see something like what is shown here ==> http://pastebin.com/377294
[01:16:00] xris: jhoke: you still need atrpms for ivtv drivers, etc.
[01:16:00] jhoke: xris: unfortunately
[01:17:00] fir3st0rm: jhoke, no i get something different
[01:17:00] jhoke: ivtv-0.3.8–97.rhfc4.at
[01:17:00] jhoke: firestorm, then your problem is not with Myth, but with yum ... sorry I cant help more :(
[01:17:00] xris: jhoke: I'm totally willing to help livna or any other repo get mythtv stuff working (since I maintain my own specs for building svn, anyway), but I don't want to become a fulltime maintainer for ivtv, etc.
[01:18:00] jhoke: you *did* edit your /etc/yum.conf file as per the howto, right?
[01:18:00] fir3st0rm: it looks like that http://rafb.net/paste/results/ywj52Y80.html
[01:18:00] jhoke: xris: completely understood... if I had time/experience I would help do it :(
[01:19:00] jhoke: firestorm: your yum.conf obviously does nothave ATRPMS set up in it, or you would see it there with livna, etc
[01:19:00] fir3st0rm: any way to set it up manually?
[01:20:00] jhoke: :::gasp:::
[01:20:00] jhoke: read the fucking howto that I sent you to... section SIX tells you how to do it... I asked you if you did it ... you said you did... try reading the docs
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[01:21:00] fir3st0rm: i did extactly what section 6 says
[01:21:00] eiggirC: YAYAYAY!!! My PVR-150 will be here next week! thats better than three months away.
[01:22:00] jhoke: you did that as root from /etc/yum.repos.d ?
[01:22:00] jhoke: all the wget commands?
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[01:22:00] fir3st0rm: yes
[01:23:00] jhoke: shit.. wife's home... time to show her the new FE i built her :)
[01:23:00] jhoke: bbiab
[01:23:00] fir3st0rm: i'll give you the log wait
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[01:24:00] fir3st0rm: http://rafb.net/paste/results/FlMgCh11.html
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[01:27:00] smoke_: hey ... do i add the path to the font im going to use in my theme file?
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[01:29:00] rjune: xris: I'm happy to be the maintainer
[01:29:00] rjune: I'm already a livna contributer, and have done some work for myth on fc4
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[01:30:00] jhoke: oohh... rjune that would be nice ;)
[01:31:00] jhoke: one question, will there be a way to migrate from atrpms -> livna? not a huge problem, I could backup my mysql db and reinstall if i had to ;)
[01:31:00] smoke_: anyone here a themer?
[01:31:00] fir3st0rm: rjune, do you know how to install mythtv on fc4?
[01:32:00] jhoke: firestorm, put your /etc/yum.conf file in rafb.net/past please
[01:32:00] rjune: jhoke: if you do it my way, it's really easy, just update as normal, livna should push over the atrpm packages by default
[01:32:00] rjune: fir3st0rm: yeah, but it's not fully functional
[01:32:00] jhoke: rjune ... k ;)
[01:32:00] fir3st0rm: ok
[01:33:00] fir3st0rm: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sD7O4l13.html
[01:33:00] jhoke: Fire: I have 5 min till our dinner arrives, so lets see if I can get you up... otherwise, sorry but you gotta solve your yum issues b4 installing :)
[01:33:00] smoke_: where does mythtv look for the fonts at?
[01:33:00] fir3st0rm: ok ;)
[01:35:00] rjune: fir3st0rm: what howto did you follow?
[01:35:00] jhoke: fire: try adding http://rafb.net/paste/results/Upm2Xg88.html to your /etc/yum.conf file @ the bottom
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[01:35:00] jhoke: rjune: I am trying to help him through Jarod's
[01:35:00] jhoke: brb...
[01:35:00] rjune: jhoke: yeah I know, but I'm trying to work out what he's already done
[01:36:00] fir3st0rm: ah ok
[01:36:00] smoke_: is there any documentation on the theming system?
[01:36:00] rjune: fir3st0rm: hold on a second
[01:36:00] Beirdo: smoke_: no there isn't that I've heard of
[01:36:00] Beirdo: and I dunno
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[01:37:00] Beirdo: and I'm heading home :)
[01:37:00] Beirdo: seeya
[01:37:00] jhoke: laters Beirdo
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[01:37:00] smoke_: damn
[01:37:00] smoke_: no one here knows how to set the font in myth tv? .. heh cuz im putting the font name under the <fontname> tags in the theme.xml file and they're not picking up ...
[01:37:00] smoke_: my fontserver recognizes them...
[01:38:00] fir3st0rm: how do i open a file with root access again?
[01:38:00] Agrajag-: use sudo
[01:38:00] fir3st0rm: from terminal?
[01:38:00] fir3st0rm: yeah i know
[01:38:00] jhoke: sudo vi <filename>
[01:38:00] fir3st0rm: kk
[01:39:00] rjune: fir3st0rm: let's get yum working first, ya
[01:39:00] fir3st0rm: arg
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[01:40:00] fir3st0rm: i'd like to open it with the text editor
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[01:40:00] jhoke: wow! a delivery man comes with food, not on time, but EARLY! Quick! CHeck if all the dolphins are gone, the end is nigh
[01:40:00] jhoke: bbiaf
[01:40:00] rjune: LOL
[01:40:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: then just "sudo editorofchoice filename"
[01:40:00] GreyFoxx: Or are you talking a gui menu , navigate and open the file ?
[01:40:00] rjune: fir3st0rm: when you're ready to get yum working, let me know
[01:41:00] fir3st0rm: woohoo finally
[01:41:00] fir3st0rm: ok
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[01:43:00] fir3st0rm: it's still not working
[01:44:00] xris: rjune: are you on the freeworld list?
[01:44:00] rjune: xris: nope
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[01:49:00] Garf: i have a theme question, i have a bunch of themes in /usr/share/mythtv/themes and only a few of them show up, anyone know why some do and some don't?
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[01:52:00] Garf: anyone?
[01:54:00] GreyFoxx: Are you sure that some of what you are seeing are not the OSD themes? They are all in the same directory but they don't all show up in the same lists
[01:54:00] Garf: oh maybe...
[01:54:00] Garf: isthmus, is than an OSD theme?
[01:54:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[01:54:00] GreyFoxx: my favourite one in fact :)
[01:54:00] Garf: how do you change osd thmese?
[01:54:00] GreyFoxx: Under playback settings I believe
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[01:55:00] Garf: playback settings, okay
[01:55:00] GreyFoxx: TV Settings, Playback
[01:55:00] Garf: thanks i'll tell you how it works out :)
[01:55:00] GreyFoxx: Several pages in
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[01:55:00] doublehelix: i have a problem getting mythtv to work on my tv.. i have a geforce 5200 on the frontend.. everything works fine through my monitor but when i use the composite out i get a blue screen when i select "watch tv"
[01:56:00] doublehelix: the video shows up on the monitor but not the tv.. so i figure myth is only outputting to the first device, fine, so when i try to boot without the lcd attached i get no video when kdm starts
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[01:56:00] GreyFoxx: No, myth outputs to X, everything else is handled by your video driver :)
[01:57:00] doublehelix: grey: what i mean is, the video is "cloned" everything is showing up on both the monitor and the tv.. until i go to watch tv or watch a recording
[01:57:00] GreyFoxx: myth has no concept of whether or not it's a monitor, dvi, or tv out
[01:57:00] doublehelix: grey: then the video only shows up on the monitor.. the tv just shows a blue screen
[01:57:00] Nemas: I got myth running (barly) when I watch live TV 1) I get no sound (works on dvd tho) 2) it skips every 2 seconds then encods then skips. Everything is a default install. Fedora Core 4 just reconized my capture card and I was off. Is there a setting I am missing?
[01:57:00] GreyFoxx: double definately sounds like a driver or x config issue. XV is only working on one of the output
[01:58:00] doublehelix: grey: how about the second part of that.. when i boot without the monitor hooked to vga.. i get no video once kdm starts
[01:58:00] GreyFoxx: doublehelix: I'd check the Linux web forum on www.nvnews.net
[01:58:00] GreyFoxx: double all sounds like driver issues to me
[01:59:00] doublehelix: GreyFoxx: ok .. i am running suse and used YOU to automatically install the nvidia driver.. i just assumed it was wroking, but i will try another version through the nvidia site.. you think thats a good start?
[01:59:00] tmk: doublehelix: it's probably just a manner of configuring which is the primary display
[02:00:00] tmk: most cards will display video on the primary monitor, and just a greenscreen on the second
[02:00:00] doublehelix: tmk: thats fine by me and id like to just jump to having only the tv on.. it shows video as its booting, but once kde starts the tv goes black.. unless the monitor is hooked up at boot.. then i get video
[02:00:00] fir3st0rm: where can i get xvid codec for totem?
[02:01:00] Garf: doublehelix: when i hooked it up to my tv, i just did xorgconfig before i did anything... It pretty much got all the right settings by using the defaults
[02:01:00] GreyFoxx: doublehelix: In that case you could just configure X to ONLY display on the tv
[02:01:00] r2: doublehelix: have you tried disconnecting the monitor and powering up with just the TV connected?
[02:02:00] Garf: GreyFoxx: isthmus looks great, just erm, its a bit cut off on the bottom (the description text)
[02:02:00] doublehelix: r2: yes thats what im saying the problem is.. if the monitor is disconnected i get video up until kde starts.. then nothing.. fi the monitlor AND the tv are connected.. ig et video all the time
[02:02:00] doublehelix: garf: i didnt try that but i will give it a shot
[02:02:00] doublehelix: GreyFoxx: ill have to dig to figure out howt o do that
[02:03:00] GreyFoxx: Garf that would be the overscan. All standard TV's have some of the video past the edge of the screen sides
[02:03:00] jhoke: Someone posted a new OSD theme to the elist today, I installed it, quite pretty
[02:03:00] Garf: jhoke: called?
[02:03:00] jhoke: bangosd
[02:03:00] r2: doublehelix: ahh, then you would need to explicitly set the TV as the primary ... for mine, I did it with ' Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"' in my xorg.conf
[02:03:00] ** Garf googles it :) **
[02:03:00] GreyFoxx: you can either alter your overscan settings, deal with it as it is, or look to edit the OSD theme to place it a little higher
[02:03:00] GreyFoxx: I've though about editing the theme to move it up a little on mine too
[02:03:00] jhoke: it was either today or yesterday, search the archive for it ... I like it alot :)
[02:03:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.bangtherockstogether.net/old/
[02:04:00] GreyFoxx: Screenshots
[02:04:00] jhoke: Grey, yep
[02:04:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.bangtherockstogether.net/bangosd_Sep2005.tar.gz
[02:04:00] GreyFoxx: the actual theme
[02:04:00] Chutt: it looked pixelly
[02:04:00] Chutt: i thought
[02:04:00] Garf: damn, i cant copy that w/ bitchx :(
[02:04:00] jhoke: looked nice on my lcd screen, havent tried it on my TV FE yet
[02:04:00] Chutt: i was just judging by his screenshots, though
[02:04:00] doublehelix: r2: thank you ill try that
[02:05:00] doublehelix: r2: i dont know if it makes a difference but the backend isnt running on the machine im having problems with
[02:05:00] jhoke: the curves are a bit rough, but I may open it up in gimp and clean it up a bit ;)
[02:05:00] Chutt: yeah, that's what i meant by pixelly =)
[02:06:00] jhoke: ah, k ;)
[02:06:00] r2: Question: with a PVR-500 on a gentoo-based mythtv system, I initially was only getting static; then I tweaked the settings and now I get video but it freezes after 1 second and hangs the process. I'm running mythtv-0.18.1 with ivtv-0.3.9 ... I've successfully done "cat /dev/v4l/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg" for much more than a second ...
[02:06:00] r2: doublehelix: don't know enough to know if that changes anything
[02:06:00] jhoke: chutt are there any howto/docs/guides on creating themes or is it pretty much trial and error?
[02:06:00] Chutt: trial and error
[02:06:00] Chutt: though they're mostly pretty simple
[02:07:00] Nemas: Anyone know how I can find out what codec my capture card is using?
[02:07:00] jhoke: Nemas, what card?
[02:07:00] Chutt: and the osd themes are _really_ simple
[02:07:00] Nemas: ATI Wonder Pro remote editionj
[02:07:00] jhoke: Chutt: thanks! yeah.. osd look simple, but wanted to know what params/settings are available for main themes ;)
[02:07:00] Nemas: I am getting verry laggy video on live TV. DVD works awsome tho
[02:08:00] GreyFoxx: Nemas: Then it's raw yuv frames and the compression codec would depend on what you configured in Myth
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[02:08:00] Nemas: I see
[02:08:00] doublehelix: r2: well your suggestion about setting the connectedmonitor to tv makes sense.. since it works up until kde starts.. im trying it now
[02:08:00] r2: doublehelix: good luck
[02:08:00] GreyFoxx: Nemas: The compression in your case is happenning in CPU rather than on the card
[02:08:00] r2: doublehelix: any experience with PVR-500?
[02:09:00] doublehelix: r2: no, sorry, ive only used the 250.. what is your problem?
[02:10:00] r2: I can "cat /dev/v4l/video0" as long as I want to, but using mythtv-0.18.1, 1 second after I get video, the screen freezes and it takes some time for mythtv to recognize the hang before resetting (back to the menu)
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[02:11:00] Nemas: greyghost: I don't see a codec area in the mythtv-setup
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[02:11:00] jhoke: i had something similar happen to a pvr250... i played with the playback settings and fixed it... cant remember what I deselected tho
[02:11:00] Nemas: It lists my card as a Standard V4L capture card
[02:11:00] simon_c_home: Hi all. Just wondering where the best place is to find X config information for my TV (frequencies and resolutions etc) There's nothing in the (very basic) manual that came with the TV
[02:11:00] GreyFoxx: Nemas: It's no. It's in your recording profiles which you configure under mythfrontend
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[02:12:00] Nemas: Greyfox: I see thanks
[02:12:00] doublehelix: r2: hrm.. give me a bit let me see if i can dig something up on google
[02:12:00] r2: doublehelix: thanks, been googling for some time now ... hopefully you'll think of something else
[02:12:00] r2: jhoke: were you talking about the freeze problem I'm running into?
[02:13:00] r2: doublehelix, jhoke: I suspect that it may not be related to my PVR-500, but I'm having other problems I haven't been able to work around yet (like the audio not- quite working from within mythtv)
[02:14:00] jhoke: r2: yes
[02:14:00] jhoke: r2: it would play for a second or two then go black and lock up myth for a few moments...
[02:15:00] simcop2387: is there a command/option i can set that'll make mythbackend automatically update the video database (like when you go to setup->video manager)?
[02:15:00] jhoke: r2: I fixed is a while ago, just don't recall...have you searched the mailing list? (I recall getting the fix that way)
[02:15:00] r2: jhoke: thought mine initially just freezes, it eventually goes blank, so it's possible it's a similar problem ... I've been looking through the mailing list but haven't been able to track it down yet ... did you post to it (and therefore allow me to search specifically for your name), or did you just search it yourself?
[02:15:00] Garf: jhoke: that osd theme is pretty nice
[02:16:00] jhoke: r2: i searched it.. .sorry :(
[02:16:00] Garf: i wish there was a way to switch themes w/o going into the settings, so you can judge what you like best really quickly
[02:16:00] jhoke: Garf: yeah... not perfect, needs cleaning up ... but nice it is ;)
[02:16:00] r2: simcop2387: do you mean automatically run mythfilldatabase? if that's your question, your best bet is to add that command to a crontab somewhere, either (system-dependent) /etc/crontab, /etc/cron.daily/, or whatever
[02:16:00] simcop2387: not mythfilldatabase, the video plugin
[02:17:00] simcop2387: i've already got that in a cronjob
[02:17:00] jhoke: sim, is it available as a jumppoint?
[02:17:00] simcop2387: jump point?
[02:18:00] jhoke: sim: are you running mythweb?
[02:18:00] simcop2387: yes
[02:18:00] jhoke: check out settings > keybindings  :)
[02:18:00] simcop2387: i don't think any of the setup menu's are jump points
[02:18:00] jhoke: hmm...its not a jump point, but you should check out what is :)
[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: simcop2387: What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[02:19:00] jhoke: my next feat will be to figure out how to pass a CTRL+<letter> via lirc ... I think it would be /u for ctrl+u but not sure
[02:19:00] simcop2387: i want to have the videos database automatically updated (not to be confused with the recordings database)
[02:20:00] Nemas: Greyfoxx: I think my harddrive is bottleknecking the stream
[02:20:00] GreyFoxx: Why? Hitting Video Manager isn't that hard ;)
[02:20:00] GreyFoxx: Or if you just want to see ssomething you put in , you don't need to update the video database at all
[02:20:00] simcop2387: GreyFoxx: i do automatic transfers of transcoded videos between home and school
[02:20:00] GreyFoxx: Just configure it to navigate the filesystem
[02:21:00] simcop2387: i've also got a bunch of other things in there :/
[02:21:00] GreyFoxx: I never update my video database (well, very rarely) but I use the video tree to navigate the FS all the time
[02:21:00] GreyFoxx: then organize :)
[02:21:00] rjune: GreyFoxx: he want's to keep his pr0n invisible
[02:21:00] GreyFoxx: I sort everything into Directories
[02:22:00] r2: doublehelix: what luck with the TV out?
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: rjune: Bah, I don't bother to hide my Porn Directory :)
[02:22:00] rjune: GreyFoxx: do you have young children?
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: rjune: 17 months
[02:23:00] rjune: i got a 10 year old girl and a 19 month old boy
[02:23:00] GreyFoxx: And she knows how to find Baby Einstein under myth video on her own heh
[02:23:00] rjune: I like having the porn invisible to curious eyes
[02:23:00] rjune: heh
[02:23:00] jhoke: lol
[02:23:00] GreyFoxx: I don't hide it., and never will
[02:23:00] rjune: mine likes to just hit the keys a lot
[02:23:00] doublehelix: r2: didnt work.. already had it in there :)
[02:23:00] GreyFoxx: If I don't want her seeing it I'll configure parental controls, or move it out of the video directory
[02:24:00] rjune: GreyFoxx: parental controls are what I setup
[02:24:00] jhoke: k.. I'm off... time to help the lil one with her homework
[02:24:00] doublehelix: r2: i dont get it really.. if the monitor is unplugged i get no video once kde starts up.. if the monitor is plugged in.. i get the same video on both screens..
[02:24:00] rjune: though the parental passwords are set per frontend, not global
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[02:25:00] simon_c_home: rjune: How did you set that up ?
[02:25:00] r2: doublehelix: hmmm ... well, these are all the options I've got in my card (though it's a PCX5750 card):
[02:25:00] r2: # TV out options
[02:25:00] r2: Option "TVStandard" "NTSC-M"
[02:25:00] r2: Option "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO"
[02:25:00] r2: # may need to modify the overscan to eliminate a black board
[02:25:00] r2: # on the outside of the TV
[02:25:00] r2: Option "TVOverScan" "0.6"
[02:25:00] r2: # optional, shouldn't need this
[02:25:00] GreyFoxx: rjune: I would have expected them to be global. Thagt's like an oversight
[02:25:00] r2: Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"
[02:25:00] rjune: GreyFoxx: I thought so too
[02:25:00] rjune: apparently not though
[02:25:00] GreyFoxx: r2 use pastebin.com to paste more than a couple line
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[02:25:00] GreyFoxx: rjune then write up a patch :)
[02:25:00] rjune: simon_c_home: look in video managers to set the level per file
[02:25:00] rjune: GreyFoxx: won't be accepted
[02:25:00] doublehelix: r2: im pretty sure thats exactly what i have.. but ill go through line by line again
[02:25:00] rjune: that's by design
[02:26:00] r2: GreyFoxx: pastebin.com ... never heard of it ... is that a windows thing?
[02:26:00] simon_c_home: Ahhh. So that's on mythvideo, not the standard myth recordings ?
[02:26:00] Garf: a friend gave me an ATI all in wonder remote, can i make it work w/ a hauppage 500MCE ?
[02:26:00] GreyFoxx: r2 no, it's a webpage thing
[02:26:00] rjune: GreyFoxx: the solution was specify a key in your db config
[02:26:00] GreyFoxx: you can paste many lines of stuff then just provide a URL for peopel to view and edit it
[02:26:00] ** rjune is away: kid to bed **
[02:26:00] GreyFoxx: so you don't spew gobs of crap that most don't wanna see
[02:26:00] simon_c_home: wtf should my remote stop working just cos I rebooted it. Ahhhhhhhhhh
[02:27:00] r2: GreyFoxx: oops ... I know there are better ways to paste multiple lines, but I forgot how and wanted to get it out there faster ...
[02:27:00] GreyFoxx: simon_c_home: yeah. Parental controls are a mythvideo thing
[02:27:00] Garf: http://pastebin.ca/
[02:27:00] simon_c_home: GreyFoxx: thanks
[02:27:00] r2: GreyFoxx: got it
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[02:27:00] ** Garf too! lol **
[02:28:00] GreyFoxx: I find pastebin.ca is usually faster so I usually use that
[02:28:00] Garf: guitar256: my food is done right now :) spaghetti and sauce
[02:28:00] Garf: woah... r2**
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[02:32:00] Nemas: A pent III 866 with 512 ram and 120 HD ati wonder pro and nvidia geforce4 should run smoothly right?
[02:32:00] GreyFoxx: not really :)
[02:33:00] GreyFoxx: not if you are watching as it records /live tv
[02:33:00] GreyFoxx: Recording only should be fine, and watching only would likely be fine
[02:33:00] Nemas: ok so upgrading the cpu will make it smoother?
[02:33:00] GreyFoxx: but doing both at the same time then you are close to the edge
[02:33:00] Nemas: watching live tv blows
[02:34:00] GreyFoxx: That card doesn't have onboard hardware compression so you are spending a lot of CPU compressing the video
[02:34:00] Nemas: just going into myth and hitting watch TV locks up the image every 1 second
[02:34:00] Nemas: I see my hd light going off allot too
[02:34:00] Nemas: Shoudl Live TV work smoothly if I am not recording a show?
[02:34:00] simon_c_home: Nemas: strangly, I got that when I first tried myth even on my p4 1.4G Then for some reason, it went OK.
[02:34:00] GreyFoxx: Well you gotta remember how a PVR works. Data comes in (and is compressed in your case) is written to the drive, and then is read back and played
[02:35:00] GreyFoxx: Nemas: LiveTV records as well. That's what allows you to pause/rewind LiveTV :)
[02:35:00] Nemas: I thought you ment if I was recording a show at the same time :P
[02:35:00] simon_c_home: Nemas: It *may* work better if you change the live TV codec options. Or it may not.
[02:35:00] Nemas: What would I change them to?
[02:35:00] GreyFoxx: Nemas: LiveTV is Recording + playback,
[02:36:00] Nemas: Aye :P
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[02:36:00] GreyFoxx: you could lower the bitrate, and try rtjpeg instead ofd mpeg4
[02:36:00] simon_c_home: am I right in saying rtjpeg uses less CPU than MP4 ?
[02:36:00] Nemas: ok what about a p4 2.6 with 512 a regular 20 gig drive for the boot and a 120 drive for the video buffer. Would that turn out better?
[02:37:00] GreyFoxx: simon_c_home: I believe so. there is something on the mythtv.org docs about it
[02:37:00] GreyFoxx: Nemas: Much better
[02:37:00] Nemas: That means I get a ugiler case :)
[02:37:00] GreyFoxx: but seriously though, I'd consider getting a capture card with onboard compression
[02:37:00] Nemas: gonna have to do some modding
[02:37:00] GreyFoxx: then you only use cpu to playback
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[02:38:00] Nemas: Yea wife got me this one and said I am cut off of
[02:38:00] GreyFoxx: Which that 866 could likely do
[02:38:00] GreyFoxx: ahh heh
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[02:38:00] Nemas: The remote is really nice too, worked right out of the box
[02:38:00] Nemas: it is RF rather then IR
[02:38:00] GreyFoxx: The Remote Wonders are ok
[02:39:00] GreyFoxx: The one I use is a variation of the same
[02:39:00] ** simon_c_home doesn't want to hear about damn remotes **
[02:39:00] briand: g'evening, all. (alternatively, insert the proper time-of-day indicator in the previous salutation)
[02:39:00] GreyFoxx: My is RF, plus a universal IR remote for the rest of my gear
[02:39:00] Nemas: Nice
[02:39:00] GreyFoxx: my other remote is just a philips learning remote that I trained to use my IR keyboard signals
[02:41:00] briand: I've got MythTV up and running beautifully on an Asus Pundit-S with a PVR-350. Lately, I've been contemplating the addition of a second PVR card, perhaps a PVR-250MCE or a PVR-500MCE. How much of a pain in the neck should I anticipate?
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[02:49:00] Garf: briand: with my pvr500 i dont have any trouble
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[02:49:00] Garf: ivtv detects it automagically as two PVR150's
[02:50:00] briand: right. do you also have a 350?
[02:50:00] Garf: no i dont
[02:51:00] Garf: i have a pny gefore 6600gt (dual dvi+1 svideo output) for my output to the TV
[02:51:00] briand: i'm wondering if i'll have conflicts with two ir ports on the i2c line, etc.
[02:51:00] Garf: oh... maybe i dont know, i dont have my lirc up and running yet
[02:51:00] ** rjune is back **
[02:51:00] briand: ah.
[02:51:00] Garf: im still trying to figure out what ir blaster and receiver, etc. that i need
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[02:56:00] briand: well, since i don't (currently) have more than one TV input... i'm forced to go watch live television while i record another channel.  :/
[02:56:00] briand: soon, hopefully, that will not be necessary.  :)
[02:56:00] briand: thanks for the (albeit, brief) chat.  :)
[02:56:00] briand: ...and good luck with lirc.. it's fairly painless to install/configure. :)
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[03:27:00] Chutt sets mode -o Chutt
[03:29:00] rjune: Chutt: you get crazy with +b again?
[03:29:00] Chutt: i removed the +q and made it a +b
[03:29:00] Chutt: he was only silenced, before
[03:29:00] Chutt: figure i'd stop the childishness
[03:30:00] rjune: you banned all of mchsi the other day too
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[03:38:00] Chutt: wasn't a ban, it was a +q :p
[03:38:00] ** xris totally forgot about being able to +q annoying people **
[03:39:00] Chutt: but now it's a ban
[03:39:00] Chutt: i'll get rid of it in a few days
[03:40:00] xris: rjune: my specs are at http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/
[03:40:00] rjune: ok
[03:40:00] xris: warren has them, too.. I know he's been trying to get someone with livna to play with them.
[03:40:00] rjune: I'll start the import process
[03:41:00] rjune: rebuild them, etc.
[03:41:00] xris: I'm running mostly atrpms-free on my fc4 box.
[03:41:00] xris: the specs do NOT work with .18.x
[03:41:00] rjune: never do
[03:41:00] rjune: :-)
[03:41:00] xris: too much new goodness in svn has allowed me to clean up a ton of stuff
[03:41:00] rjune: heh
[03:41:00] xris: but imho the most important stuff missing from livna right now is ivtv and firmware
[03:41:00] rjune: which virmware?
[03:41:00] xris: ivtv
[03:42:00] rjune: ivtv and ivtv-firmware?
[03:42:00] xris: well, all of the firmwares
[03:42:00] rjune: those aren't likely to show up though
[03:42:00] xris: people can't install mythtv with packages without the ivtv firmware packages.
[03:43:00] ** rjune shrugs, we'll see if anvill will go for it **
[03:43:00] tmk: anyone here run a pvr350 for tv-out?
[03:43:00] xris: thought livna was for grey-area stuff like that.
[03:44:00] rjune: yeah, but it still has to be ok to redistribute
[03:44:00] xris: I think it's also missing some nvidia-graphics type packages... I should change those specs so they disable arts by default, too.
[03:44:00] rjune: that's why flash-plugin isn't installed there
[03:44:00] rjune: xris: if you like, or I can do it
[03:44:00] rjune: but ya, alsa or oss should be default output
[03:45:00] xris: well, mythtv does whatever it can.. just no need to compile in arts support if not necessary.
[03:45:00] rjune: shouldn't be strictly requried, but prolly isn't a bad thing
[03:45:00] rjune: you know how to burn a cd of music?
[03:45:00] xris: ok, I updated the spec
[03:46:00] xris: I always build with: --without firewire --without xvmcnvidia
[03:46:00] rjune: yeah, tha'ts required on fedora w/out atrpms
[03:46:00] xris: dunno about the xvncnvidia stuff default.. firewire should be (just not for me)
[03:47:00] rjune: I think myth needs a version of the firewire lib that isn't in core
[03:47:00] Skaface: why do you compile without xvmcnvidia?
[03:47:00] xris: I pulled the defaults from atrpms
[03:47:00] xris: Skaface: um, I don't have an nvidia card?
[03:47:00] Skaface: oh :)
[03:47:00] rjune: Skaface: good reason, no?
[03:47:00] Skaface: suppose so :P
[03:48:00] xris: anyway, I wrote the spec so it's easy enough to shift defaults around.. it's VERY readable, and fully configurable by users who want to build their own.
[03:49:00] xris: oh, and the linuxtv dvb cvs package is gone now.. should be at least 1.2M but nothing like it in their download directory.
[03:50:00] rjune: fok
[03:50:00] rjune: xris: ok
[03:50:00] xris: anyway, I'm on the freeworld list if you want to discuss there, or as you know am usually around here.
[03:50:00] rjune: 'k
[03:50:00] rjune: I'll post to the list if I have questions.
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[03:51:00] xris: should bug someone at livna to upgrade the faac package to cvs so that I can actually encode m4a files for my wife's ipod.
[03:51:00] rjune: heh
[03:52:00] rjune: what can I use to play m4a files in linux?
[03:52:00] xris: faad
[03:52:00] xris: anything gstreamer should if you install the extra audio plugins (amarok, rhythmbox, etc)
[03:52:00] xris: and there's an xmms plugin.
[03:52:00] xris: I just convert and send to the windows box for itunes to put on the ipod
[03:53:00] xris: have a nifty little script that even embeds cover art for the new color ipods (my wife has a nano)
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[03:56:00] rjune: don't have an ipod
[03:56:00] rjune: not likely to get one. most of my music is ogg
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[04:10:00] blakeb: has anyone ever had their tv out go black and white?
[04:10:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, when I used the wrong tuner type with my PVR-350.
[04:11:00] rjune: blakeb: bad connection is my guess. though that's not usually what happens
[04:11:00] blakeb: yeah thats what i thought too
[04:11:00] blakeb: and i have a pvr-250
[04:11:00] blakeb: when i turned on the tv-out for the first time it was bw
[04:13:00] blakeb: is there anyone with a nvidia gf4mx that can email me their xorg.conf?
[04:14:00] Garf: im really confused. myth thinks it only has about 7.43
[04:14:00] Garf: BG to use*
[04:14:00] Garf: i made my /dev/hda4 around 290GB though
[04:14:00] Garf: and mounted it to /video
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[04:16:00] blakeb: anyone with an nvidia card (not only gf4)?
[04:17:00] Garf: i do, but a geforcfe 6600GT
[04:17:00] Garf: geforce*
[04:17:00] kormoc: I have many Nvidia cards
[04:17:00] blakeb: hehe, can one of you email me your xorg.conf
[04:17:00] blakeb: blakebrogdon@gmail.com
[04:18:00] kormoc: blakeb, what do you want it to do?
[04:18:00] blakeb: the tv out is only black and white
[04:18:00] Garf: blakeb: hook your comp up to the TV, SSH in, then run xorgconfig
[04:18:00] Garf: then restart X
[04:18:00] blakeb: ill give it a go
[04:18:00] kormoc: blakeb, then mine won't help you
[04:19:00] Garf: can anyone help me though?
[04:20:00] kormoc: Garf, you setup the recording dir to /video in myth setup?
[04:20:00] Garf: yessir, it records there
[04:20:00] Garf: and buffers tv to /video/buffer
[04:20:00] Garf: no problems
[04:20:00] Garf: just space...
[04:20:00] kormoc: it is mounted?
[04:20:00] Garf: it can only fit one 1hr show
[04:20:00] Garf: yea
[04:20:00] Garf: i can cd to it
[04:21:00] Garf: and *.nuv files show up
[04:21:00] kormoc: Garf, df shows /video is mounted and it has all the space?
[04:22:00] Garf: ringbuf2.nuv is in the buffer (as i am watching TV)
[04:22:00] Garf: oh wow
[04:22:00] Garf: i solved it
[04:22:00] Garf: wow...
[04:22:00] Garf: omfg im stupid
[04:22:00] kormoc: ooh?
[04:22:00] Garf: i mounted it to /vidoe instead of /video, i should learn to type
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[04:24:00] blakeb: garf: turns out xorgconfig was removed in fc4
[04:24:00] blakeb: ive run the system-display-config thingie
[04:24:00] Garf: can ya yum it?
[04:24:00] blakeb: i looked
[04:24:00] blakeb: but nothing
[04:24:00] Garf: xorgconfig worked PERFECT for my TV on my first try
[04:25:00] Garf: i was amazed, i thought it would be hard to get my tv to work
[04:25:00] blakeb: maybe i can find the sources somewhere
[04:25:00] blakeb: same thing with my remote
[04:25:00] Garf: probably...
[04:25:00] blakeb: i thought it was going to take forever
[04:26:00] Garf: kormoc: its in the infomation center> system status> machine status, its telling me /video/buffer doesn't exist.
[04:26:00] Garf: it does.
[04:26:00] Garf: blakeb: yea me too
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[04:27:00] Garf: ugh ignore, i apparently create my own problems.
[04:27:00] Garf: got it fixed.
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[04:41:00] SqWaw: anyone around?
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[04:43:00] r2: I'm here, though getting little response ...
[04:45:00] SqWaw: what do ya need
[04:45:00] SqWaw: maybe i can help
[04:45:00] SqWaw: although probably not.. :(
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[04:46:00] ShockValue: anyone know what format of tags mythmusic can handle?
[04:46:00] r2: SqWaw: know much about alsa configuration in myth? I've got a new installation, PVR-500, AC97 audio (8 ch), AMD-64; the audio works from the cmdline but myth keeps saying "error -2: file not found" even though I know it's there.
[04:46:00] fryfrog: your device is "ALSA:default
[04:46:00] fryfrog: and the mixer is "default"
[04:46:00] r2: fryfrog: yeah, that's what I put in, and it still comes back error -2
[04:46:00] r2: fryfrog: oops ...
[04:47:00] fryfrog: mixer right?
[04:47:00] r2: fryfrog: hmmm ... I had mixer as ALSA:default as well ... that could be a problem ...
[04:47:00] fryfrog: i don't think "default" for the mixer is in any of the docs, took me for-fucking-ever to figure out :)
[04:47:00] fryfrog: yup, thats what i put too :)
[04:47:00] r2: fryfrog: ahhh, thanks ... I'll go give it a try (other room, unfortunately)
[04:47:00] fryfrog: it *used* to work because I had OSS emulation and was pointing to /dev/mixer
[04:48:00] fryfrog: has anyone ever built a bare-bones (whitebox) laptop?
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[04:48:00] r2: fryfrog: well, that solved issue #1, thanks!
[04:48:00] fryfrog: rar!
[04:48:00] r2: fryfrog: (of course, I've got a few others in queue behind it)
[04:49:00] fryfrog: i'll trade you
[04:49:00] r2: fryfrog: laptop? nope, never built one, sorry ... what's the problem?
[04:49:00] fryfrog: QAM HDTV + air2pc card == omgwtfhard
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[04:49:00] fryfrog: oh, nah i'm just looking at laptops... my myth problem is ^ (above)
[04:49:00] r2: fryfrog: sorry, came in late, I didn't hear the problem
[04:50:00] fryfrog: i haven't complained about it in about 8 hours prolly :)
[04:50:00] fryfrog: well, 3 or 4
[04:50:00] r2: fryfrog: can't say I'm smart on myth since I've just started
[04:54:00] r2: fryfrog: can't seem to find this in the mailing list or FAQ (and I've been looking), have you heard of the video freezing 1 second after starting (from "Watch TV")? It just fails, tells me it fails (no log messages), and (eventually) returns to the menu.
[04:55:00] fryfrog: what kind of tv card?
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[04:56:00] r2: fryfrog: pvr-500 ... "cat /dev/v4l/video0 > test.mpg" works just fine, though, so I don't think it's the card
[04:56:00] fryfrog: ah, thats what i was gonna ask
[04:56:00] fryfrog: do you start the backend with the "-v all" option (to get lots of debug spew)?
[04:57:00] r2: fryfrog: no, didn't think of that ... I was debugging the frontend so much. I'll give that a quick try.
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[05:01:00] r2: fryfrog: okay, here's a good one ...
[05:02:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, are you around?
[05:02:00] r2: fryfrog: I had previously changed the NICE value to bump it higher, so when making it verbose, I brought the nice portion out of it, and it ran just fine, no freezing. Great!
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[05:02:00] r2: fryfrog: then I decided to take out the verbose logging, and I put the NICE back in, and it's not freezing now ...
[05:02:00] fryfrog: rar!
[05:02:00] r2: fryfrog: ... I'm so confused ...
[05:02:00] fryfrog: odd
[05:02:00] fryfrog: computers!
[05:02:00] r2: fryfrog: apparently, you're 2 for 2, batting 1000!
[05:02:00] fryfrog: can't live with them, but its totally legal to shoot them!
[05:02:00] eyver: Hey guys. The MythGallery documentation says that I need to use the "Menu key" to reach the settings greyed out on the left hand of the screen. What is the Menu key?
[05:03:00] r2: fryfrog: can't live with them, pass the beer nuts!
[05:03:00] Skaface: h i think
[05:03:00] Skaface: or m
[05:03:00] eyver: Skaface, m worked. Thanks a lot!
[05:03:00] Skaface: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1
[05:03:00] Skaface: have a look at that
[05:04:00] SqWaw: Hey, I can't seem to get LIRC to emerge: "configure: error: *** it is not possible to install the specified driver on this system," it used to be installed because it is infact a dependency for about 3 things on my system.
[05:04:00] SlicerDicer-: damn... well mchou if you do show up I will ask you later if I am not around I am having quite the pain from too much grease in mexican food haha
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[05:11:00] SqWaw: anyone?
[05:12:00] ShockValue: SqWaw: what flags are you passing it?
[05:12:00] SqWaw: none...
[05:13:00] SqWaw: oh wait.
[05:13:00] SqWaw: emerge -uDv --newuse lirc
[05:13:00] ShockValue: hauppauge remote?
[05:13:00] SqWaw: ati all in wonder
[05:13:00] SqWaw: in my make.conf i have...
[05:14:00] SqWaw: LIRC_OPTS=--with-driver=hauppauge,atiusb"
[05:14:00] SqWaw: some doc somewhere told me to put hauppauge in there..
[05:14:00] SqWaw: i dont think i need it
[05:14:00] SqWaw: its a PVR-500
[05:14:00] ShockValue: SqWaw: ah, yeah thats what i was thinking about
[05:14:00] ShockValue: PVR500 is hauppauge, not ati
[05:14:00] ShockValue: no?
[05:15:00] SqWaw: ShockValue, the 500 doesnt have a remote though
[05:15:00] fryfrog: yeah but he is using an ati remote
[05:15:00] fryfrog: remove hauppauge, you don't need it
[05:15:00] SqWaw: fryfrog, so remove the hauppauge
[05:15:00] SqWaw: yea thats what i though
[05:16:00] fryfrog: what version of lirc is it trying to emerge?
[05:16:00] fryfrog: you can use "-p" or "-a"
[05:16:00] SqWaw: 0.7.2
[05:16:00] fryfrog: i see :/
[05:16:00] SqWaw: bad?
[05:16:00] fryfrog: can you paste more of the error message to pastebin.com?
[05:16:00] fryfrog: no, i use 0.7.2
[05:16:00] fryfrog: i did modify the source a little because it is hardcoded to modprobe bttv :)
[05:17:00] SqWaw: fryfrog, i changed my make.conf, im re-emerging
[05:17:00] SqWaw: so far it working
[05:17:00] fryfrog: but thats not anything you care about
[05:17:00] fryfrog: ah
[05:17:00] SqWaw: yes its def working
[05:17:00] SqWaw: you solved it :)
[05:17:00] redfox: what is the program called that will control a motorolla cable box over a serial port?
[05:18:00] SqWaw: redfox, lirc probably, its transmits/receivers ir commands
[05:18:00] SqWaw: you'd just need a serial receiver/blaster
[05:18:00] redfox: no I can connect my comp to my cable box via serial and it changes the channel
[05:18:00] Skaface: i think he means using a serial protocol
[05:18:00] redfox: yeah
[05:18:00] SqWaw: oh
[05:18:00] redfox: I know it is out there...
[05:20:00] Skaface: argh, im getting a clicking noise in the audio after 5 mins or so of watching tv
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[05:21:00] Skaface: its like interference with something on the bus
[05:21:00] SqWaw: Anyone know why 1 input would get audio, while the other doesnt?
[05:22:00] SqWaw: I can be watching one input, w/o audio, presss "Y" and the other input has the audio.
[05:22:00] Skaface: hehe, i had heaps of trouble with that
[05:23:00] fryfrog: redfox: 6200ch for firewire
[05:23:00] fryfrog: i think "channel" is the one for serial
[05:23:00] Skaface: messing around with mixers and things for several days straight fixed the problem
[05:23:00] fryfrog: in the myth /contrib/ dir?
[05:23:00] redfox: fryfrog, ok I'll look, just a sec
[05:23:00] SqWaw: Skaface, nothing... solid ?
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[05:23:00] Skaface: nope
[05:23:00] SqWaw: feck.
[05:24:00] Skaface: actually, ive got a few commands that set the mixers in the actual tv card
[05:24:00] Skaface: its for a saa7134 card though
[05:24:00] SqWaw: i have something like that...
[05:24:00] redfox: ah I think it is dct-channel
[05:25:00] Skaface: ok hang on 1 sec
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[05:26:00] Skaface: /usr/local/bin/test_ioctl -y volume=60000
[05:26:00] Skaface: /usr/local/bin/test_ioctl -y mute=0
[05:26:00] Skaface: dont ask me where you get test_ioctl from though
[05:26:00] fryfrog: ivtv stuff
[05:26:00] Skaface: ah ok
[05:26:00] fryfrog: i think its called ivtvctl now
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[05:29:00] dr_kex: Does anyone have an xorg.conf file for the PVR350 so everything will come out via the TV out port?
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[05:34:00] r2: Skaface: I think test_ioctl is the old name for what is now named ivtvctl, part of the IVTV tarball
[05:34:00] r2: Skaface: oops, just read the next post ...
[05:35:00] Skaface: lol, thanks anyway :)
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[05:54:00] Nemas: Hey Greyfoxx you still here?
[06:00:00] Nemas: Is this setup gonna give me good playback when watching live tv?...Intel P4 2.26, 40g EIDE boot drive, 120 EIDE /video drive, ATI Winder Pro Remote control edition, Nvidia Geforce4 MX
[06:02:00] Nemas: and 512 meg of Rambus ram
[06:02:00] ofer: yes
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[06:05:00] Nemas: I tried with just the 120 drive and a PIII 866 eariler and the playback was horrible
[06:05:00] mchou: Nemas: huh? what resolution?
[06:07:00] mchou: Nemas: playback shouldnt be too bad on that system, especially if you have xvmc compiled into myth
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[06:07:00] GreyFoxx: mchou: He;s using a software card, and doesnt; have enough cpu for livetv / recording+playback
[06:08:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: ahh, hehe. Well, if that's the case.....
[06:08:00] mchou: of course he is gonna get shitty playback :)
[06:08:00] mchou: it's a wonder it plays at all :)
[06:09:00] GreyFoxx: Nemas: However that 2.6G is plenty
[06:09:00] Nemas: Sweet
[06:09:00] mchou: 2.6 G is NOISY
[06:09:00] Nemas: Wish I could get another 512 but RDR ram is way too expensive
[06:10:00] GreyFoxx: 512 should be plenty as wlel
[06:10:00] Nemas: It shouldn't be too bad, if it is I will hide it under the couch :)
[06:10:00] mchou: yeah, 512 should be ok.
[06:10:00] Nemas: I was reading that Myth uses more CPU then ram
[06:11:00] mchou: Nemas: then it will get too warm :)
[06:11:00] Nemas: lol
[06:11:00] mchou: and the CPU will melt :)
[06:11:00] GreyFoxx: Nemas well you can't exactly do a 1 to 1 comparison of CPU to ram
[06:11:00] cosmo_: is it possible to view livetv in a little external window while working? Will this interfere with scheduled recordings?
[06:11:00] GreyFoxx: 256Meg and above should be fine
[06:11:00] GreyFoxx: but always the more the better
[06:12:00] SqWaw: Nemas, mythtv uses around 800MB of my 1GB of ram
[06:12:00] mchou: bah, as long as you dont hit swap (much) you'd be fine
[06:12:00] GreyFoxx: cosmo_: Normally if you are watching LiveTV and a scheduled recording is about to start mythfrontend will popup and ask what you want to do
[06:12:00] Agrajag-: cosmo_: no, it's not possible as it will intefere with your working and hence you wont work. but if you're ok with that, it's fine
[06:12:00] GreyFoxx: unless there is a free tuner it can use
[06:12:00] mchou: SqWaw: huh???
[06:12:00] Agrajag-: unless you only have one tuner card
[06:12:00] SqWaw: ummmm
[06:12:00] SqWaw: (SqWaw) Nemas, mythtv uses around 800MB of my 1GB of ram
[06:12:00] GreyFoxx: SqWaw: Odds are most of that is file buffers/cache that the kernel is holding
[06:12:00] SqWaw: mchou, thats what i said lol
[06:13:00] mchou: SqWaw: my system doesn't even have that much RAM
[06:13:00] Nemas: Damn so I am gonna be taxed again
[06:13:00] SqWaw: thats just what the information center says... sooo yea
[06:13:00] Nemas: it would be cheaper for me to jsut buy a new capture card :P
[06:13:00] mchou: and swap has never been touched
[06:13:00] GreyFoxx: Nemas: No you wont
[06:13:00] GreyFoxx: 256Meg or more is PLENTY
[06:14:00] GreyFoxx: and 512 definate enough
[06:14:00] mchou: (as long as you dont run too much other shit :))
[06:14:00] Nemas: I know, I just suck at configuring drivers and tuning, hopeing more ram would let me be alittle more sloppy :P
[06:14:00] SqWaw: is there a cmd line cmd to see sys use?
[06:14:00] GreyFoxx: Hell people run mythfrontend on an xbox with 64meg of ram :)
[06:14:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: exactly
[06:14:00] GreyFoxx: SqWaw: free
[06:14:00] GreyFoxx: or top
[06:14:00] SqWaw: primeministerp, 904556 895588 8968 0 20 699068
[06:15:00] GreyFoxx: Type free. And look at shared, bufferes and cached
[06:15:00] SqWaw: wooooah.
[06:15:00] Skaface: is there a ps2 frontend?
[06:15:00] Nemas: Can you run a frontend and backend on a xbox?
[06:15:00] GreyFoxx: Nemas: Not a backend
[06:15:00] SqWaw: GreyFoxx, ROFL: http://pastebin.ca/24163
[06:15:00] GreyFoxx: unless you hack up a usb type capture card
[06:16:00] GreyFoxx: SqWaw: See, I told you, most of that is buffers and cached. That's not myth using it
[06:16:00] SqWaw: is there a cmd to clear buffers?
[06:16:00] GreyFoxx: 700meg is held by the kernel for caching disk reads. And when an app asks for it the kernel hands it over
[06:16:00] SqWaw: ro free the cache?
[06:16:00] SqWaw: or*
[06:16:00] GreyFoxx: SqWaw: It's not a bad thing
[06:16:00] GreyFoxx: if an app asks for ram it gets it
[06:16:00] SqWaw: oh oaky
[06:16:00] Agrajag-: SqWaw: if there was, you shouldn't use it.. the kernel is smarter than you
[06:17:00] GreyFoxx: the cache speeds up disk access
[06:17:00] SqWaw: so theres plenty
[06:17:00] GreyFoxx: yess
[06:17:00] SqWaw: Ara: thats very true.
[06:17:00] SqWaw: Agrajag-, thats very true. **
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[06:17:00] GreyFoxx: thatts 700meg free for any app that wants it plus the rest of the free ram nto used by anything
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[06:17:00] SqWaw: plus 2GB of swap...
[06:18:00] GreyFoxx: which will rarely be touched :)
[06:18:00] SqWaw: (someone told me to double the ram, for swap)
[06:18:00] Nemas: Shouldn't your swap be about as large as your ram?
[06:18:00] SqWaw: is that a good rule?
[06:18:00] GreyFoxx: SqWaw: Then they are a food
[06:18:00] GreyFoxx: fool
[06:18:00] SqWaw: guess not... lol
[06:18:00] GreyFoxx: That USE to be the way it was done back when people had almost not ram 10 years ago
[06:18:00] SqWaw: so now its?
[06:18:00] SqWaw: like 512MB ?
[06:19:00] Skaface: i always give it a 256mb swap partition, no matter what system im setting up
[06:19:00] GreyFoxx: I use 384 on pretty much everything, and it never gets touched
[06:19:00] GreyFoxx: some systems I use less
[06:19:00] GreyFoxx: SqWaw: It certainly wont hurt you to have 2G, It's just unneeded
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[06:19:00] SqWaw: lol
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[06:20:00] SqWaw: i may re-partition soon lol
[06:20:00] SqWaw: 2 more GB that can go towards /dev/hda4
[06:20:00] SqWaw: then it'll be 272GB
[06:20:00] Skaface: haha
[06:20:00] cosmo_: ive got a gig of swap with only 150 megs of ram, barely 100megs of swap is used
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[06:22:00] kormoc: ooh?
[06:22:00] kormoc: oops
[06:22:00] GreyFoxx: Sometimes processes that have hung around long enough with almost no activity get pushed to swap and their ram used for file buffers. So you can have a unloaded box with free ra but still some swap used by the idle processes
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[06:24:00] Nemas: Lets hope this install of MythTV goes faster then the last one )
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[06:25:00] Nemas: By the time I get done with this box I might just be smater than Greyfoxx :P
[06:25:00] GreyFoxx: hah
[06:25:00] GreyFoxx: I've just been around a long time :)
[06:25:00] Nemas: He might even need to ask me a question every now and then instead of me just milking his MythTV Knowledge
[06:26:00] Nemas: How do I know if my card has the right driver V4L
[06:27:00] Nemas: will lsmod tell me?
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[06:32:00] nuonguy: Nemas: What you probably want to do is invoke 'lspci -v' and look at the output for your card
[06:33:00] nuonguy: And then use that description to find the right driver
[06:33:00] Nemas: Thanks man
[06:33:00] nuonguy: Then, when you modprobe the driver, the logs in dmesg will give you reports on what happened when your modprobed that driver like did it find hw, did it init properly, where there errors, etc
[06:34:00] Nemas: Did you get that table updated?
[06:35:00] nuonguy: nope
[06:35:00] nuonguy: just sat down to figure it out
[06:36:00] nuonguy: I'm going through the tutorial on mysql.com
[06:39:00] kwatz: I have a fairly clueless question to ask...
[06:39:00] Nemas: Gah 365M of updates to download (
[06:40:00] kwatz: I just switched from monitor to tv-out, and X now fails to load
[06:41:00] kwatz: previously, my xorg.conf had "Driver "nv"" under the device, and that resulted in "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)"
[06:43:00] kwatz: There aren't any other messages related to that failure...libglx.so doesn't have any problems loading
[06:45:00] nuonguy: What do you mean you switched?
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[06:45:00] nuonguy: Did you unplug the monitor and plug in the tv?
[06:45:00] kwatz: Yes...I did all the config using a monitor, and moved it from study to living room
[06:45:00] tmk: if i have some channels that i've removed from my zap2it profile
[06:46:00] tmk: what's the best way to get them out of myth's database
[06:46:00] tmk: delete from channel where chanid="##"; ?
[06:46:00] tmk: or is there a gui for it
[06:47:00] ShockValue: change the channels on zap2it, then re-run mythfilldatabase
[06:47:00] ShockValue: then reboot :0
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[06:49:00] tmk: ShockValue: you sure? it doesn't seem to get rid of them
[06:49:00] tmk: it just fills them with 'unknown'
[06:50:00] nuonguy: kwatz: I don't know exactly what your issue is, but I had to tweak my xorg.conf file for it to work
[06:50:00] nuonguy: I'm using a geforce fx5200 with an s-video cable
[06:50:00] nuonguy: I had to install the nvidia closed driver for it to work
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[06:51:00] kwatz: Same hardware here...
[06:52:00] nuonguy: If you want, I can paste my xorg.conf file....
[06:52:00] kwatz: I'd appreciate it
[06:52:00] Goshen: nyonguy: where is the nvidia config file? I am using the closed drivers as well
[06:53:00] nuonguy: http://pastebin.com/377482
[06:54:00] kwatz: Thanks
[06:54:00] nuonguy: no sweat
[06:54:00] nuonguy: Anybody really comfortable with mysql syntax?
[06:54:00] nuonguy: I'm getting a syntax error I wasn't expecting...
[06:55:00] ofer: whats the queary?
[06:55:00] nuonguy: delete settings where value="Theme" and data="blue";
[06:55:00] nuonguy: The table is 'settings'
[06:55:00] nuonguy: And I want to delete a row or two that I added accidentally
[06:55:00] kwatz: "delete from settings", i believe
[06:55:00] ofer: delete from settings where value="theme" and data="blue"
[06:56:00] Goshen: nyonguy: where is the nvidia config file? I am using the closed drivers as well
[06:56:00] nuonguy: cool
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[06:56:00] nuonguy: Goshen: AFAIK, There's no nvidia-specific config file, you have to set it up in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:56:00] nuonguy: Did you read the doc?
[06:56:00] Goshen: what doc?
[06:57:00] nuonguy: I got all of my info from /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README.txt
[06:58:00] Goshen: I will check it out
[06:58:00] Goshen: its really nice of them to provide us with drivers
[06:58:00] nuonguy: I want to change a row in my settings table, and the mysql command I use doesn't do what I want
[06:59:00] nuonguy: Goshen: I think we should expect drivers if we pay cash for the dang hw
[06:59:00] nuonguy: replace settings (value,data,hostname) VALUES ("Theme","blue","localhost.localdomain");
[06:59:00] Nemas: Shouldnt you be using ' to specify a string instead of "
[06:59:00] nuonguy: I want to replace 'Minimalist-wide' with 'blue'
[07:00:00] nuonguy: Nemas: Didn't know that
[07:00:00] Nemas: I may be wrong on that
[07:00:00] nuonguy: It didn't give me any errors
[07:00:00] Skaface: phpmyadmin :)
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[07:00:00] nuonguy: And I finally have a row that looks the way I want it:
[07:00:00] Nemas: Whoot!
[07:01:00] nuonguy: | Theme | blue | localhost.localdomain |
[07:01:00] nuonguy: Now to fire up mythfrontend and see if it looks better....
[07:01:00] nuonguy: brb
[07:02:00] Nemas: Anyone faimulare with any resources on connecting my serial port to my Motorla Cable box. The cable company said it was enabled
[07:04:00] nuonguy: w00t!
[07:04:00] Nemas: WTG man
[07:04:00] nuonguy: Thanks for your help
[07:04:00] nuonguy: I did it with the mysql command line shell
[07:05:00] Nemas: If I was installing the updates from yum updat all and my ssh connection closed does that mean I have to do it all over again?
[07:06:00] Nemas: yum upgrade that is
[07:06:00] nuonguy: Well, all the RPMs that were already downloaded wouldn't have to be cuz they're already in your cache
[07:06:00] nuonguy: check out /var/yum/cache
[07:06:00] nuonguy: And, unless you run with -C, it's going to check all the repos for updates
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[07:07:00] nuonguy: btw, I think yum RAWKS!
[07:07:00] Nemas: tried to run uum update again and got this error: Existing lock ///var/run/yum.pid: another copy is running. Aborting.
[07:07:00] Nemas: How can I tell if it is really running?
[07:07:00] nuonguy: Another copy if yum is running
[07:07:00] nuonguy: you can try top
[07:07:00] Skaface: ps ax |grep yum
[07:07:00] nuonguy: what I often do is 'ps aufxwww | grep yum'
[07:08:00] Nemas: sweet returned root 2792 4.7 26.8 77736 68660 pts/1 S+ 19:26 2:07 | \_ /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/yum upgrade
[07:08:00] nuonguy: What Skaface said
[07:08:00] Nemas: but don't I have to answer prompts?
[07:08:00] nuonguy: Which prompts?
[07:08:00] Nemas: sometimes it prompts you when installing the packages
[07:08:00] nuonguy: There's only the one prompt about 'do you really want to install'?
[07:09:00] Nemas: ahh ok sweet
[07:09:00] Nwallins: I'm looking at a diskless frontend with a PVR-350 and a backend with a pchdtv-3000... when the 350 decodes an mpeg stream, is the output delivered to the video card or out of the 350?
[07:09:00] nuonguy: And you can, if you're brave, say yum -y
[07:09:00] Nemas: I just want this box running by 2:am :)
[07:09:00] Nemas: Can I kill the process and rerun it without messing up my system?
[07:10:00] Skaface: usually
[07:10:00] nuonguy: dunno – I've done it
[07:10:00] Skaface: but whats that upgrade bit after the command?
[07:10:00] Nemas: I am upgrading my whole system
[07:11:00] Nemas: So I can leave it running n the background and I should still be ok right?
[07:11:00] nuonguy: prolly
[07:11:00] nuonguy: Not sure though
[07:11:00] Skaface: is the hard drive light flashing?
[07:11:00] nuonguy: Why is it running in the bg anyway?
[07:12:00] nuonguy: I think Skaface is right: if it's not already installing RPMs, it's probably safe to abort it
[07:12:00] Nemas: ssh crashed
[07:12:00] Nemas: it is installing the rpms (
[07:12:00] Skaface: did you use ctrl+z ?
[07:12:00] nuonguy: It crashed?
[07:13:00] Nemas: Yes ssh crashed on my local machine
[07:13:00] Nemas: I am sshing into the mythtv box to do the upgrades
[07:13:00] nuonguy: Never seen it crash b4
[07:14:00] Skaface: you should install a package called "screen"
[07:14:00] Nemas: it siad the software was reset by the peer
[07:14:00] nuonguy: hmm...
[07:14:00] nuonguy: "screen" is the shiznit!
[07:14:00] Skaface: yes, it is :)
[07:14:00] Nemas: What is screen?
[07:14:00] Skaface: hard to explain
[07:15:00] Skaface: you run it, it comes up like a normal shell
[07:15:00] nuonguy: Do you know what a VNC session is?
[07:15:00] Skaface: you do your stuff in it
[07:15:00] nuonguy: It's like VNC, but text mode
[07:15:00] Nemas: Ahh it is like VNC
[07:15:00] Skaface: and if you get disconnected, you just ssh back in and type "screen -dr"
[07:15:00] Skaface: and it will bring you back to where you were before
[07:15:00] Nemas: I know why SSH crashed. I was reading " SSH Claims Draw Open Source Ire" on slashdot.
[07:15:00] nuonguy: Yeah, you manage your sessions with it
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[07:25:00] skone: what was the program that enabled svideo or avout with the i810 cards?
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[07:27:00] Flamie: Howdy everone!
[07:28:00] nuonguy: I think everyone ran off to read /l
[07:28:00] nuonguy: er /.
[07:28:00] Flamie: I got a question: "My hdd that mythtv puts it's temporare tv-stream is only capable of transfering 4.36 MB/sec, could that be the reason for choppy playback of tv?"
[07:28:00] Flamie: ho nuonguy
[07:28:00] Flamie: /., what's the big news?
[07:29:00] nuonguy: Nemas ssh crashed cuz he was reading some crazy story on /. about ssh, someone was badmouthing it
[07:29:00] nuonguy: It's just like at work
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[07:30:00] nuonguy: You mention /., and everyone spends the rest of the day reading /.
[07:30:00] Flamie: heh, crazy
[07:30:00] Nemas: LOL nuonguy
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[07:31:00] kwatz: emerged the closed nvidia drivers, but they won't load w/ modprobe, complaining about no such device (/dev/nvidia* doesn't exist)...when added to autoload, syslog says 'module license "nvidia" taints kernel', which can 'often happen when rivafb is loaded', which doesn't seem to be happening
[07:33:00] nuonguy: kwatz: anything meaninful from dmesg?
[07:36:00] kwatz: just the same message
[07:36:00] Flamie: kwatz: if you have an nvidia card you should create the device nodes yourself
[07:36:00] Flamie: kwatz: the tainting is just a licensing issue, it doesn't have any real prectical issue with loading it
[07:37:00] Flamie: mknod /dev/nvidia0 c 195 0
[07:37:00] nuonguy: Flamie: Are you saying that the gentoo installer doesn't do any of the by itself?
[07:37:00] Flamie: for the nvidia0 node
[07:37:00] Flamie: nuonguy: sometimes udev/devfs and gentoo misses the nvidia device nodes
[07:37:00] Flamie: mknod /dev/nvidiactl c 195 255
[07:37:00] Flamie: those 2 lines fixes it
[07:37:00] nuonguy: sometiems?
[07:38:00] nuonguy: er, sometimes?
[07:38:00] Flamie: yeah, happened a lot during the transition from devfs to udev
[07:38:00] Flamie: haven't been using nvidia for some time now, so I don't know if it's really fixed yet :)
[07:38:00] nuonguy: Wouldn't you be better off then running the nvidia installer?
[07:38:00] nuonguy: What do you use now?
[07:38:00] kwatz: hm
[07:39:00] kwatz: i'll have to give that a shot, thanks
[07:39:00] Flamie: definately, as the ebuild for the nvidia drivers are quite bad quality over-all
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[07:39:00] kwatz: must head to bed now, though :)
[07:39:00] Flamie: g'night kwatz
[07:39:00] kwatz: Nite
[07:39:00] ** Flamie still have choppy playback of TV, anyone feel up to the task? **
[07:40:00] nuonguy: Sorry, Flamie, I don't understand that one
[07:40:00] Flamie: np
[07:40:00] nuonguy: You said HD?
[07:40:00] nuonguy: As in high def?
[07:41:00] nuonguy: What kind of hard drive is it?
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[07:41:00] Flamie: hd as in harddrive
[07:41:00] Flamie: hang on, let me check
[07:42:00] Flamie: Model=QUANTUM FIREBALL CX6.4A, FwRev=A3F.0B00
[07:42:00] Flamie: using udma4
[07:42:00] Flamie: I made a little test and copied some videostream from the tv-card to disk
[07:42:00] Flamie: "cat /dev/video0 > /temp.mp2"
[07:42:00] nuonguy: I was just going to ask what the output of 'hdparm /dev/hda' (or whatever your drive is) is?
[07:43:00] Flamie: /dev/hdb:
[07:43:00] Flamie: multcount = 16 (on)
[07:43:00] Flamie: IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit)
[07:43:00] Flamie: unmaskirq = 0 (off)
[07:43:00] Flamie: using_dma = 0 (off)
[07:43:00] Flamie: keepsettings = 0 (off)
[07:43:00] Flamie: readonly = 0 (off)
[07:43:00] Flamie: readahead = 256 (on)
[07:43:00] Flamie: geometry = 13328/15/63, sectors = 6448619520, start = 0
[07:43:00] nuonguy: What happens if you just do 'mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0' ?
[07:43:00] nuonguy: I would think you probably want dma to be on
[07:43:00] Flamie: the video is 3.44mb of data per second, so the drive should suffice unless it goes 2 ways
[07:43:00] Fosten: can anybody recommend a good remote?
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[07:43:00] Flamie: nuon, mplayer will play things perfectly
[07:44:00] Flamie: just as tvtime
[07:44:00] Flamie: do mythtv cop the stream to the harddrive first, then read it from there?
[07:44:00] nuonguy: Fosten: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.pr . . . ct_Id=196807
[07:44:00] nuonguy: :-)
[07:44:00] Flamie: if so I'd need 6.88mb/s in transferspeed in order to watch it without chopping..  :/
[07:44:00] nuonguy: I think so
[07:45:00] Flamie: then I need some way to speed things up and try
[07:45:00] Flamie: any suggestion? =)
[07:45:00] nuonguy: Turn on dma
[07:45:00] Flamie: the drive can't handle dma
[07:45:00] Flamie: (at least it couldn't last time I tried, trying again :)
[07:45:00] tmk: heh. must be pretty old
[07:45:00] Flamie: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[07:45:00] Flamie: yupp, really old stuff
[07:46:00] nuonguy: You're root, right?
[07:46:00] Flamie: I wonder if it's just better to tell it to use the nfs over my 100mb/s instead :)
[07:46:00] Flamie: yeah, root
[07:46:00] tmk: i use nfs for most of my stuff
[07:46:00] tmk: works OK
[07:46:00] nuonguy: Your backend or your frontend uses nfs?
[07:47:00] Flamie: backend and frontend in the same machine
[07:47:00] Flamie: data on the nfs
[07:47:00] tmk: erm kind of
[07:47:00] Flamie: (so roms, movies, music, images so on so forth is from a nfs-share)
[07:47:00] tmk: master backend in the closet
[07:47:00] tmk: frontend/backend in the living room
[07:47:00] tmk: the master backend uses nfs to the front-room box for everything
[07:48:00] nuonguy: Why do you need two backends?
[07:48:00] tmk: so pretyt much everything is going over nfs at some point
[07:48:00] tmk: i have a tuner in my frontend
[07:48:00] tmk: pvr350 for tv-out
[07:48:00] tmk: also that's where the cable-box is, and i use the svideo in on the pvr350 to get the digital channels from the cable box
[07:48:00] tmk: it controls the cable box via serial
[07:49:00] Nwallins: is there a video card for linux that with 1) mpeg decoder 2) xv extensions 3) low cost
[07:49:00] tmk: heh
[07:49:00] tmk: pvr350
[07:49:00] tmk: not sure about low cost though
[07:49:00] Nwallins: well, i also want DVI output
[07:49:00] tmk: see if there's an epia board
[07:49:00] Nwallins: cost is low enough, but seems that mpeg-4 encoding is better
[07:49:00] tmk: my epia m10k has a mpegdecoder and xv
[07:50:00] tmk: the newer ones may also have dvi
[07:50:00] Nwallins: is there a hardware mpeg decoder for linux?
[07:50:00] Nwallins: cool, checking it out
[07:50:00] Nwallins: err mpeg-4
[07:50:00] tmk: oh.. not that i know of
[07:50:00] tmk: there probably is though :)
[07:50:00] Nwallins: err. encode
[07:50:00] Nwallins: is there a hardware mpeg-4 encoder for linux <-- corrected
[07:50:00] tmk: nothing mpeg4 yet i don't think
[07:51:00] Nwallins: ok, i can use the host cpu/software i suppose
[07:51:00] Flamie: oki, that solved my issue
[07:52:00] Flamie: I moved the storage location for the livetvbuffer to a nfs-share
[07:52:00] nuonguy: What did?
[07:52:00] Nemas: Are the built in drivers in linux good enough for the ATI wonder Pro?
[07:52:00] Flamie: so it was the hd that was too slow
[07:52:00] tmk: Flamie: you could also try reducing your livetv bitrate
[07:52:00] Flamie: tmk: where do I set that setting?
[07:53:00] tmk: its under recording profiles
[07:53:00] tmk: setup under mythfrontend i think
[07:53:00] Flamie: wierd place to put it
[07:53:00] Flamie: another issue I thought would be solved when the video was solved is noises in the audio
[07:53:00] tmk: tv settings -> recording profiles
[07:53:00] Flamie: could be my channel settings :)
[07:53:00] nuonguy: Hey, that reminds me
[07:54:00] nuonguy: I have a pvr150, and channel change is really, really, really slow
[07:54:00] nuonguy: Any way to speed that up?
[07:54:00] tmk: with myth?
[07:54:00] Flamie: tmk: thanks, found it
[07:54:00] tmk: livetv?
[07:54:00] nuonguy: It's like 3 seconds or something
[07:54:00] nuonguy: yeah, live tv
[07:54:00] tmk: livetv is always really slow
[07:54:00] tmk: for everything i think
[07:54:00] nuonguy: Downer
[07:54:00] tmk: it's quite the topic on the forums
[07:54:00] nuonguy: For a while I was using this cheezy avertv card and the channel change was much faster
[07:55:00] tmk: everone always has brilliant ideas for fixing it
[07:55:00] tmk: but they never go anywhere
[07:55:00] tmk: hm
[07:55:00] tmk: it may be the codec
[07:55:00] nuonguy: Why does it go so slow
[07:55:00] nuonguy: ?
[07:55:00] tmk: cause it's got to process the mpeg
[07:55:00] tmk: which needs a few seconds from start i think
[07:55:00] tmk: takes like 3 seconds of video to get all the state set or something
[07:56:00] tmk: if it were 'raw' (uncompressed) video it could be instant
[07:56:00] nuonguy: And the avertv card is just a 'dumb frame grabber' and it doesn't do mpeg?
[07:56:00] tmk: the frame grabbers get compressed in software
[07:56:00] tmk: by myth
[07:56:00] tmk: to mpeg4 or whatever you choose
[07:56:00] tmk: which may have faster 'startup' times
[07:56:00] nuonguy: ah
[07:56:00] tmk: pvr150 is mpeg-2
[07:57:00] tmk: what sort of system is your myth box?
[07:57:00] Nemas: Do you all use mplayer for your DVD viewing?
[07:57:00] tmk: xine is way better
[07:57:00] Nemas: xine?
[07:57:00] nuonguy: ECS mobo (nforce 2 chipset) with Althlon64 and 1G RAM
[07:57:00] tmk: it supports menus :)
[07:57:00] nuonguy: I use xine
[07:58:00] tmk: http://xinehq.de
[07:58:00] Nemas: Menues are good since my mplayer only would play DVDs in spanish )
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[07:58:00] McScruff: lo
[07:58:00] Chutt: how'd you stick an athlon64 on an nforce2?
[07:58:00] McScruff: how do you add patchs to mythtv source?
[07:58:00] tmk: mchou: patch -p0 < patchfile
[07:59:00] tmk: err mcscruff
[07:59:00] nuonguy: Er, it's nforce 250 or something
[07:59:00] tmk: do that from the myth base directory
[07:59:00] tmk: sup chutt
[07:59:00] nuonguy: It's a socket 462 or something
[07:59:00] Nemas: I gotta say that yum is WAY better than RPM / Ports and apt
[08:00:00] nuonguy: I guess they called that nforce3,
[08:00:00] nuonguy: :-!
[08:00:00] McScruff: tmk, im confused :S
[08:00:00] Chutt: tmk, yo
[08:00:00] McScruff: should i compile first then add patch
[08:01:00] tmk: no
[08:01:00] tmk: patch then compile
[08:01:00] tmk: but it won't necessarily hurt to compile first
[08:01:00] tmk: but you definately have to compile again after
[08:01:00] tmk: Chutt: is mythfilldatabase supposed to delete channels when they are removed from zap2it?
[08:01:00] tmk: i already deleted them from the channel db btw
[08:02:00] tmk: but they weren't going away on their own
[08:02:00] McScruff: i think its patched
[08:02:00] McScruff: :P
[08:02:00] Chutt: nope
[08:02:00] tmk: k. someone said it would
[08:03:00] Chutt: people bitched for some reason when i had it do that
[08:03:00] Chutt: so i made it just keep them
[08:03:00] tmk: ah well
[08:03:00] nuonguy: How do you remove channels, then?
[08:04:00] Chutt: manually.
[08:04:00] tmk: delete from channel where chanid="###";
[08:04:00] Chutt: or you can just wipe the tables and re-run mythfilldatabase
[08:04:00] tmk: or i prefer: delete from channel where chanid in (#,##,###,#,...);
[08:04:00] Chutt: ie, answer yes to the second question mythtv-setup asks
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[08:05:00] Chutt: resetup the video source, redo the input connections, etc
[08:05:00] tmk: Chutt: by deleting them manually, will it leave any cruft in other tables that needs to be cleaned?
[08:05:00] Chutt: some program stuff
[08:05:00] tmk: will it auto-expire eventually though?
[08:05:00] Chutt: but that'd probably get deleted as the other stuff goes
[08:05:00] Chutt: it should
[08:05:00] tmk: no big deal then
[08:06:00] tmk: is there still a special flag for compiling debug code in myth?
[08:06:00] tmk: used to be in settings.pro
[08:06:00] Chutt: in the configure script
[08:06:00] tmk: k i'll find it
[08:06:00] Chutt: run --help :p
[08:06:00] tmk: i may have to start running my master-backend in gdb :/
[08:06:00] Chutt: it's like --compile-type=debug
[08:06:00] Chutt: or something
[08:06:00] tmk: it still crashes a lot
[08:07:00] Chutt: current svn's a tad unstbale
[08:07:00] Chutt: err, unstable
[08:07:00] tmk: this is 18.0
[08:07:00] tmk: newer wouldn't compile due to qt 3.1 i think
[08:07:00] tmk: err it's 18.1
[08:08:00] Chutt: ah
[08:09:00] McScruff: im falling at every hurdle here :(, i run ./configure and get -
[08:09:00] McScruff: Creating config.mak and config.h
[08:09:00] McScruff: config.h is unchanged
[08:09:00] McScruff: now what
[08:09:00] tmk: type make
[08:09:00] McScruff: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
[08:09:00] Chutt: perhaps someone shouldn't be applying patches.
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[08:10:00] McScruff: i will try without a patch
[08:10:00] tmk: Chutt: is there still a master backend override option
[08:10:00] Chutt: yup
[08:10:00] Flamie: hmm.. now that I have TV working I notice there is a lack of one option for aspect ratio that I need :(
[08:11:00] McScruff: its not the patch
[08:11:00] Flamie: I got 4:3 tv-input, sent to a 4:3 resultion displayed on a 16:9 tv
[08:11:00] Flamie: I want black borders on the left & right, is that possible?
[08:11:00] Flamie: right now everyone looks fat :D
[08:12:00] Chutt: tell your tv not to stretch, then
[08:12:00] Flamie: if I do I get gray borders..
[08:12:00] McScruff: http://pastebin.ca/24166
[08:12:00] tmk: McScruff: type qmake
[08:12:00] Chutt: sucks to be you, then
[08:12:00] Flamie: Chutt: agree
[08:13:00] McScruff: qmake, command not found
[08:13:00] Chutt: you think that mythtv should compensate for your tv stretching things?
[08:13:00] McScruff: i tried it :P
[08:13:00] Chutt: when you can easily just not stretch it?
[08:13:00] Flamie: Chutt: definately
[08:13:00] Flamie: it does so for most other situations
[08:13:00] tmk: Chutt: is there anything that can tell the master backend that the slave backend has an nfs directory.. so it can still get to stuff if the slave is down?
[08:13:00] tmk: but have the master with its own separate local storage
[08:13:00] Chutt: so basically, you want to reduce the resolution down even lower than it should be, just because you don't like grey bars?
[08:14:00] Chutt: tmk, only if it's the same dir
[08:14:00] Flamie: Chutt: exactly! :D
[08:14:00] tmk: Chutt: thx
[08:14:00] Flamie: or rather, tell it to squeez the picels, just as it does for 16:9 video on a 4:3 screen
[08:14:00] Flamie: that is already implemented
[08:14:00] Flamie: I think I'll just count out the correct aspect ration value and add it myself :)
[08:14:00] Chutt: 'squeeze'.
[08:15:00] Chutt: and, no, it's not squeezing shit
[08:15:00] Chutt: it's drawing on fewer pixels.
[08:15:00] Flamie: Chutt: it gives the same effect
[08:15:00] Chutt: _you_ told your tv to stretch things
[08:15:00] Flamie: but nevermind, I'll fix it myself :)
[08:15:00] Chutt: no, it doesn't.
[08:15:00] Flamie: I didnt tell my TV to strecth anything, mind you
[08:15:00] Chutt: sure you did
[08:16:00] Flamie: sure I didn't
[08:16:00] Chutt: if it's displaying a 4:3 source as 16:9, you've told it to stretch.
[08:16:00] Flamie: my TV has physical aspect rationof 16:9
[08:16:00] Flamie: nothing I could do about it :P
[08:16:00] Chutt: so? mine is too
[08:16:00] Flamie: then I didn't tell it to stretch, I told to to display whatever comes on the cable
[08:16:00] Flamie: and so it does, just fine
[08:16:00] Chutt: if it's displaying it as 16:9, then you've told it to stretch it.
[08:16:00] Flamie: and the rest of myth knows about it, and fixes everytrhing nicely _except_ for livetv
[08:16:00] Chutt: at least the output from myth.
[08:17:00] Chutt: unless, of course, you didn't configure X at all and have told it the wrong display size
[08:19:00] Flamie: I set X to display 1024x768 (as it can't handle 16:9 resolutions on my tv-out)
[08:19:00] Flamie: is there a way to have X think it's 16:9 even though the resolution is 4:3?
[08:19:00] Chutt: resolution isn't display size.
[08:20:00] Flamie: I set displaysize to get 100x100dpi
[08:20:00] Flamie: is it there I should change it so that it gets values with a 16:9 aspect ratio?
[08:20:00] Chutt: if you're displaying your 4:3 output at a 16:9 aspect ratio, yes
[08:21:00] Chutt: but you insist that you're not
[08:21:00] Chutt: so, who the hell knows
[08:22:00] Flamie: then I'll try that
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[08:24:00] Flamie: yay, it works
[08:24:00] Flamie: Thanks a lot chutt
[08:24:00] Chutt: it'd be better to tell your tv not to stretch things.
[08:25:00] Flamie: if I do I can't watch 16:9 movies without fiddling
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[08:25:00] Flamie: this way works as I want, big thanks
[08:25:00] Flamie: now I'm gonna do some other stuff
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[08:25:00] nuonguy: what does 16:9 mean?
[08:26:00] Flamie: nuonguy: that the width is 16 and height is 9
[08:26:00] Flamie: normally multiplie-of
[08:26:00] Flamie: so 400*225 is a 16:9 resolution
[08:27:00] Flamie: also called widescreen
[08:27:00] nuonguy: 4:3 is normal tv?
[08:27:00] Flamie: yes, 4:3 is the most common TV-size
[08:28:00] Flamie: and also the normal size of computer displays
[08:28:00] nuonguy: I get blue lines on the top and left edge of my tv
[08:28:00] nuonguy: related?
[08:28:00] Flamie: in myth?
[08:28:00] nuonguy: (I'm feeding my bird – so typing w 1 hand)
[08:28:00] nuonguy: yeah
[08:29:00] Flamie: is the blue lines about 1/6 of the screenwidth?
[08:29:00] Flamie: if so they might be related
[08:29:00] nuonguy: no
[08:29:00] nuonguy: very skinny
[08:29:00] Flamie: then it's probably not related
[08:32:00] Flamie: well, I got to go, have work to do
[08:32:00] Flamie: have a nice day everyone
[08:34:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, you around?
[08:39:00] nuonguy: xine sucks
[08:39:00] tmk: boo
[08:39:00] nuonguy: It hangs a lot when I wanna play a dvd
[08:40:00] tmk: 'hangs'
[08:40:00] nuonguy: yeah, hangs
[08:40:00] nuonguy: no clicky worky
[08:40:00] nuonguy: I have to kill it to get it to go away
[08:40:00] Nemas: ok Tv time works perfectly, alittle ugly but still good. MythTv when going to watch TV shows a blank screen then drops me back into the mail menu. Anyone know whats up with that?
[08:41:00] Nemas: mail = main
[08:41:00] tmk: Nemas: run mythfrontend -v all from a console window
[08:41:00] tmk: and check errors
[08:42:00] Nemas: kk
[08:43:00] Nemas: missing argument to -v/--verbose
[08:43:00] tmk: Nemas: run 'mythfrontend -v all' from a console window
[08:43:00] Nemas: :P
[08:44:00] Nemas: Where do you go to paste stuff again?
[08:45:00] tmk: gedit?
[08:45:00] tmk: notepad?
[08:45:00] Nemas: naw on the net so I dont spam you all
[08:45:00] Nemas: paste.com or something?
[08:45:00] tmk: see topic
[08:46:00] Nemas: how do I do that?
[08:46:00] Nemas: I am a irc dumbass
[08:46:00] tmk: look on the top of your xchat window?
[08:46:00] tmk: or type /topic
[08:46:00] Nemas: mIrc
[08:47:00] Nemas: the output from mythfrontend -v all is located at http://pastebin.ca/24167
[08:48:00] Nemas: Any idea on that? I loaded mythfrontend and went into watch tv
[08:49:00] tmk: mythbackend isn't running
[08:50:00] Nemas: humm werid I loaded it as a service
[08:50:00] tmk: erm
[08:50:00] Nemas: ok let me try that
[08:50:00] tmk: or your computers clock is busted
[08:50:00] tmk: i get that sometimes
[08:50:00] Nemas: the time on the compueter is wrong?
[08:51:00] tmk: no, the clock is giving a time a few MS in the past
[08:51:00] Nemas: ahh
[08:51:00] tmk: so QT thinks it's tomorrow
[08:51:00] tmk: so the timeout kicks in
[08:51:00] tmk: which is 8seconds or so normally
[08:51:00] Nemas: when I tried to run it again it said failed to bind to port
[08:51:00] tmk: you may have crashed mythbackend also
[08:52:00] tmk: check your mythbackend log too
[08:52:00] tmk: did the error happen right away
[08:52:00] Nemas: just rebooted to clean everything up
[08:52:00] tmk: or was there time in between
[08:52:00] tmk: actually
[08:52:00] tmk: it looks like your backend crashed
[08:52:00] Nemas: there is a few seconds of blank screen then back to the main menu
[08:52:00] tmk: and the timeout was actually valid
[08:53:00] tmk: so check your backend logs
[08:53:00] Nemas: ya my backend has a log all right :P
[08:53:00] Nemas: brb bathroom break
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[08:55:00] Nemas: Where is the backend logs?
[08:57:00] tmk: mine's in /var/log/mythbackend.log
[08:57:00] tmk: but it could be in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[08:57:00] tmk: or where-ever your /etc/init.d/mythbackend script told it to go
[08:58:00] Nemas: this is what is said http://pastebin.ca/24168
[08:59:00] tmk: your master backend log
[08:59:00] tmk: not local log
[08:59:00] Nemas: I got hat from /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[09:00:00] tmk: well it appears you have two mythbackends running on the same machine or something then
[09:00:00] Nemas: werid
[09:00:00] tmk: did you run one as root
[09:00:00] tmk: and one as user?
[09:00:00] tmk: ps ax | grep backend
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[09:00:00] Nemas: humm
[09:01:00] Nemas: just this one line 2432 ? Ssl 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythbackend.pid
[09:01:00] nuonguy: tmk: Why do you think there are two backends running?
[09:01:00] tmk: it's connecting to localhost
[09:01:00] tmk: but is a slave backend
[09:01:00] tmk: it could also just be misconfigured
[09:02:00] Nemas: Ahh I never updated my hostname in the gneneral options
[09:03:00] McScruff: tmk, new error :P http://pastebin.ca/24169
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[09:24:00] Jerry507: Anyone around?
[09:24:00] Agrajag-: nup
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[09:25:00] Jerry507: I've got myself a little problem, though this may not be the place to ask it
[09:26:00] Jerry507: I can't seem to capture the line input...
[09:26:00] Agrajag-: using alsa?
[09:26:00] Jerry507: Yea
[09:26:00] Jerry507: I go to alsamixer and hit space where it says Line, then it says CAPTUR below it but nothing comes out
[09:27:00] Agrajag-: if it says CAPTUR below it then that means it is set to capture
[09:27:00] Agrajag-: what do you mean nothing comes out?
[09:27:00] Jerry507: No sound
[09:27:00] Agrajag-: no sound from where?
[09:28:00] Jerry507: The speakers.
[09:28:00] Agrajag-: ... really
[09:28:00] Agrajag-: i mean from what app
[09:28:00] Jerry507: Well, I tried using aplay
[09:28:00] Agrajag-: do you have a cable plugged in your line in that's the source of some sound?
[09:28:00] Jerry507: Yea, my tv tuner
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[09:29:00] Jerry507: I'm trying to do what they say in the faq, run xawtv and use aplay to record the sound.
[09:29:00] Jerry507: And play it back
[09:29:00] Agrajag-: do you hear anything normally? even when it's not set to capture?
[09:29:00] Jerry507: But when I do that, I get nothing at all. Sound is coming in because if I leave the line unmuted, I hear the stuff from the card. Muting it reveals that nothing is coming out
[09:29:00] Jerry507: Yea
[09:30:00] Agrajag-: from the tuner card?
[09:30:00] Jerry507: Yea
[09:30:00] Jerry507: When xawtv is running
[09:30:00] Agrajag-: so when you set it to capture, you dont hear anything at all?
[09:30:00] Jerry507: If I set it to capture and mute the line input, yes
[09:31:00] Agrajag-: ok, well you shouldn't hear anything – but you should be able to record from line in and then play that back
[09:31:00] Nemas: WOW 2.26 mhz really makes a HUGE differance over a PIII 866
[09:31:00] Jerry507: If I run xawtv, mute the line in but have it capturing and then run aplay /dev/dsp I shoudl be hearing the sound after it's digitized and delayed a ittle bit
[09:33:00] Agrajag-: i dont think so, because /dev/dsp isn't alsa, and you've muted it anyway
[09:33:00] Nemas: Good night guys, my fever is getting worse
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[09:33:00] Jerry507: I'm just doing what they suggest in the mythtv "troubleshooting audio" section
[09:34:00] Jerry507: "A better test to verify that sound will work for MythTV (and recording with xawtv for that matter) is to startup xawtv, mute the line-in then run aplay /dev/dsp."
[09:35:00] Agrajag-: hmm ok.. how are you muting it?
[09:35:00] Jerry507: alsamixer
[09:35:00] Agrajag-: by pressing M?
[09:35:00] Jerry507: Yea
[09:35:00] Agrajag-: do you have the volume for the capture device up?
[09:35:00] Jerry507: Yea
[09:36:00] Jerry507: Both capture and PCM are all the way to 100$
[09:36:00] Jerry507: % even
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[10:29:00] SlicerDicer-: Beirdo, are you around?
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[10:40:00] SlicerDicer-: is anybody awake?
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[10:42:00] maniacxs: hi SlicerDicer,
[10:43:00] SlicerDicer-: hello
[10:43:00] SlicerDicer-: do you know of a howto page for nuvexport?
[10:44:00] maniacxs: man nuvexport
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[10:45:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah well thats not really what I was looking for but ok
[10:45:00] maniacxs: for what are you looking for?
[10:46:00] SlicerDicer-: a howto page :) installing, dependencies perhaps?
[10:47:00] SlicerDicer-: I am having issues with it running I am trying to figure out why it wont work
[10:47:00] maniacxs: SlicerDicer i have not seen a howto page, but i can tell you the depencies
[10:47:00] SlicerDicer-: well I am putting in a new version of perl right now but the current problem is this hang on
[10:48:00] SlicerDicer-: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NAs71427.html
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[10:50:00] maniacxs: this are the depencies i installed please check (its for svn nuvexport) http://rafb.net/paste/results/kogk7481.html
[10:53:00] SlicerDicer-: apparently yes I have them all
[10:54:00] SlicerDicer-: maniacxs, you run gentoo?
[10:54:00] maniacxs: SlicerDicer yes.
[10:54:00] SlicerDicer-: same :)
[10:54:00] maniacxs: what is with dev-perl/DBI
[10:54:00] SlicerDicer-: 1.38 version
[10:54:00] SlicerDicer-: I am updating to 1.43
[10:54:00] maniacxs: SlicerDicer i had no problems with depencies after installing
[10:55:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah I dont know what the hell is going on
[10:55:00] SlicerDicer-: did you use the portage version of nuvexport?
[10:55:00] SlicerDicer-: or could that be my problem?
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[10:55:00] maniacxs: no i am using the svn version.
[10:56:00] maniacxs: but had no problems with the portage version, too
[10:56:00] SlicerDicer-: well apparently updating helped with that part
[10:56:00] SlicerDicer-: install_driver(mysql) failed:
[10:56:00] maniacxs: equery list DBI
[10:56:00] SlicerDicer-: now I need to update that part
[10:56:00] MrShlee: Any Australian users here?
[10:57:00] SlicerDicer-: MrShlee, well I live in Australia part of the year :)
[10:57:00] SlicerDicer-: well I havent been back lately but hey
[10:57:00] MrShlee: Im just wondering if there are any Australian based TV guides.
[10:57:00] ** maniacxs needs a coffee to wake up **
[10:58:00] SlicerDicer-: MrShlee, umm I am not sure :)
[10:59:00] SlicerDicer-: maniacxs, question for ya
[10:59:00] maniacxs: SlicerDicer what does the equery command tell you about DBI?
[10:59:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh its working now
[10:59:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[10:59:00] SlicerDicer-: just needed to update 2 deps
[10:59:00] maniacxs: SlicerDicer what desps?
[10:59:00] SlicerDicer-: umm DBI and DBD-mysql
[11:00:00] maniacxs: :)
[11:00:00] SlicerDicer-: well anyway what I gather...
[11:00:00] SlicerDicer-: when I run mythtv I can use the cutlists and set them then nuvexport will see those cutlists?
[11:00:00] SlicerDicer-: and I am wondering where it will export the video too
[11:01:00] maniacxs: it asks you where to put it default is .
[11:01:00] SlicerDicer-: umm it asks?
[11:01:00] SlicerDicer-: when you run it?
[11:03:00] maniacxs: yes
[11:03:00] maniacxs: after choosing the episodes
[11:03:00] SlicerDicer-: ok and how bout cutlists?
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[11:04:00] maniacxs: i have a bttv card and needed to modify /usr/bin/mpeg2cut to get it cutted. it cuts good when set keyframes before commercial.
[11:05:00] SlicerDicer-: hmm
[11:05:00] SlicerDicer-: brb jammed cd in drive argh
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[11:14:00] SlicerDicer-: maniacxs,
[11:14:00] SlicerDicer-: bah
[11:14:00] maniacxs: still here :)
[11:14:00] SlicerDicer-: well anyway I got nuvexport going hopefully its using the cutpoints I set
[11:14:00] SlicerDicer-: whats the best to use for compression? I really want to compress the video down
[11:14:00] SlicerDicer-: and keep good quality
[11:15:00] maniacxs: SlicerDicer i only use mpeg2->mpeg2
[11:15:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh
[11:16:00] SlicerDicer-: just have to wait for xris and ask him I think he said it was xvid I cant remember
[11:36:00] KaZeR: anyone here using a pundit-R as frontend?
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[11:52:00] SlicerDicer-: maniacxs, you still around?
[11:53:00] maniacxs: yes
[11:53:00] SlicerDicer-: ever had the thing speed up at the end?
[11:53:00] SlicerDicer-: my commercial cut sped the hell out of the movie
[11:54:00] maniacxs: what happenes?
[11:55:00] SlicerDicer-: umm the movie is at like tripple speed
[11:55:00] SlicerDicer-: the last 30 mins
[11:55:00] SlicerDicer-: its really fast
[11:55:00] maniacxs: hmm never had such an issue.
[11:55:00] maniacxs: you have tried the xvid.
[11:55:00] maniacxs: what is about the sound?
[11:56:00] maniacxs: is it still there?
[11:58:00] SlicerDicer-: its really sped up too
[11:59:00] SlicerDicer-: I copied the cropped version over the original
[11:59:00] SlicerDicer-: it works fine if I play it in mplayer
[11:59:00] SlicerDicer-: but if I play it with mythfrontend it goes batshit
[11:59:00] maniacxs: you play with mythvideo?
[11:59:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont use that cause I cant stream over network
[12:00:00] maniacxs: remember if you converted it to xvid it is no more nuv!
[12:00:00] SlicerDicer-: it never was a nuv haha
[12:00:00] maniacxs: svn?
[12:00:00] SlicerDicer-: it was a mpeg and just converted it from mpeg to mpeg
[12:01:00] maniacxs: if you are not using svn, and it was recorded from tv it is a (if i remember correct) mpeg in a nuv container
[12:02:00] SlicerDicer-: with hauppauge?
[12:02:00] SlicerDicer-: I mean the video plays fine
[12:02:00] SlicerDicer-: just the last 30 mins are blown up
[12:02:00] maniacxs: the nuv container is for things like correct speed and so on
[12:02:00] maniacxs: ???
[12:02:00] SlicerDicer-: I dunno from what I remember xris told me that I could just copy them over and it would work
[12:03:00] SlicerDicer-: even avi's renamed .nuv
[12:03:00] SlicerDicer-: well anyway I got to get to sleep
[12:03:00] maniacxs: SlicerDicer maybe i have not tired something like this.. if xris says it is possible it should work.
[12:03:00] SlicerDicer-: its late here hehe
[12:03:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah
[12:04:00] SlicerDicer-: I will speak with him about it
[12:04:00] maniacxs: ok good night
[12:04:00] SlicerDicer-: it may just be that I need to update the database
[12:04:00] SlicerDicer-: as it thinks the file is still 5.4gb
[12:04:00] SlicerDicer-: its not its 5.0gb
[12:04:00] SlicerDicer-: thats how much garbage was removed hehe
[12:04:00] SlicerDicer-: well anyway gnite
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[13:39:00] m4lu7: so am i going to have to build my own IR receiver for this via board, or what? anybody gotta line on a prebuilt IR/CIR receiver vendor?
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[13:42:00] Skaface: just a receiver?
[13:42:00] Skaface: did your tv card come with one?
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[13:43:00] m4lu7: nah, on this via board. have two IR inputs, via refers to a company called foward electronics, which *surprise surprise* doesn't exist
[13:43:00] m4lu7: i guess i'm going to radioshack today.
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[13:47:00] PaulWay: Hi!
[13:48:00] PaulWay: Anyone seen (and fixed) write_dst errors in dmesg?
[13:48:00] PaulWay: Or is there a channel around for dvb?
[13:49:00] Beirdo: try #dvb
[13:50:00] PaulWay: Ta
[13:50:00] PaulWay: (Just found it as you replied)
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[13:59:00] Deepdelver: hey all
[13:59:00] Deepdelver: can somebody help me
[13:59:00] Deepdelver: i have installed knoppmyth
[13:59:00] PaulWay: and?
[13:59:00] Deepdelver: but everytime i mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server
[13:59:00] Deepdelver: :S
[14:00:00] PaulWay: You're running mythtv-setup as the logged in user?
[14:01:00] PaulWay: (i.e. the user logged into X)
[14:04:00] Deepdelver: as root
[14:04:00] PaulWay: Easy.
[14:05:00] PaulWay: As the user logged into X, do 'xauth local:'
[14:05:00] PaulWay: That gives all processes on the local machine permissions to start X sessions.
[14:05:00] Skaface: i just run mythtv-setup as the logged in user
[14:05:00] Deepdelver: dont understand what you mean
[14:06:00] PaulWay: I'm not exactly sure how knoppmyth works – is it just knoppix with mythtv packaged in?
[14:06:00] Skaface: i mean as a regular user sorry
[14:07:00] Skaface: as in not root
[14:07:00] PaulWay: Or is it like a live-CD?
[14:07:00] PaulWay: Right. The same user as the one who logged in?
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[14:07:00] Deepdelver: live cd
[14:07:00] Deepdelver: like an knoppix
[14:07:00] Deepdelver: with mythtv
[14:08:00] Deepdelver: he log automaticly in
[14:08:00] Deepdelver: crtl alt f1 give me a shell
[14:08:00] PaulWay: Right.
[14:08:00] Deepdelver: so i can login to root
[14:08:00] Deepdelver: and when i say mythtv-setup
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[14:08:00] Deepdelver: i get that errot
[14:08:00] Deepdelver: i get that error
[14:08:00] Beirdo: you have to run mythtv-setup in X
[14:08:00] Deepdelver: what is X
[14:08:00] PaulWay: The graphical windowing system.
[14:08:00] Beirdo: graphical windowing system for UNIX
[14:08:00] PaulWay: Press ctrl-alt-F7 to get back to it.
[14:09:00] Deepdelver: ok
[14:09:00] Deepdelver: now i see the normal mythtv
[14:09:00] Deepdelver: but i want to go to the setup :P
[14:09:00] PaulWay: Can you alt-tab to another application?
[14:10:00] ** Beirdo hands PaulWay the clue-bat while he goes off to get coffee **
[14:10:00] PaulWay: Fetch me a coffee, ISO standard, thanks.
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[14:10:00] PaulWay: Deepdelver, Part of the problem here is that mythtv-setup is a graphical program.
[14:11:00] PaulWay: You won't be able to run it in a text-only terminal like ctrl-alt-F1
[14:11:00] Deepdelver: nop
[14:11:00] PaulWay: What happens if you exit the mythfrontend?
[14:11:00] laga: oh, hi Deepdelver
[14:11:00] Deepdelver: i'm in workspace 1
[14:11:00] Deepdelver: of knoppmyth
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[14:12:00] PaulWay: Right click on the desktop, should give you a menu, choose Open Terminal.
[14:12:00] Deepdelver: emty grapgic environment
[14:12:00] PaulWay: (I'm assuming a bit here as I'm running Fedora Core with Gnome)
[14:12:00] Deepdelver: yes
[14:12:00] PaulWay: Got it?
[14:12:00] Deepdelver: but i cant start anything
[14:13:00] PaulWay: You've got a terminal? Or just the blank screen?
[14:18:00] Deepdelver: blank screen with a background
[14:18:00] PaulWay: Do you have a menu bar at the top of the screen?
[14:18:00] PaulWay: If so, what's in it?
[14:19:00] Deepdelver: only at the bottom
[14:19:00] Deepdelver: warkspace
[14:19:00] Deepdelver: a lot of nothing
[14:19:00] Deepdelver: and the time
[14:19:00] PaulWay: What does a right-click give you?
[14:19:00] Deepdelver: nothing
[14:19:00] Deepdelver: i gues this is not going to work
[14:19:00] Deepdelver: :S
[14:20:00] PaulWay: Jeez, what do these Knoppix people do for menus?
[14:20:00] PaulWay: I know – press ctrl-alt-backspace.
[14:20:00] Deepdelver: normally you start it and it work
[14:20:00] Deepdelver: but
[14:20:00] PaulWay: That'll quit X
[14:20:00] Deepdelver: ....
[14:20:00] Deepdelver: wow
[14:20:00] Deepdelver: now i get some shit
[14:20:00] PaulWay: Well, normally you'd also have menu bars and stuff to launch programs
[14:21:00] Deepdelver: o now i log in
[14:21:00] Deepdelver: and now i'm back in mythtv
[14:21:00] Deepdelver: but not mythtv-setup
[14:21:00] PaulWay: Right.
[14:21:00] PaulWay: Let's leave MythTV there.
[14:21:00] PaulWay: Press ctrl-alt-F2 and log in to the new text session as the mythtv user.
[14:22:00] PaulWay: do you know what shell you're using?
[14:22:00] PaulWay: I suppose it's pretty much all bash these days...
[14:22:00] PaulWay: do 'echo $DISPLAY'
[14:23:00] Deepdelver: ok i logged in
[14:23:00] Deepdelver: but $display gave nothing
[14:23:00] PaulWay: Right.
[14:23:00] PaulWay: Do 'export DISPLAY=localhost:0'
[14:24:00] PaulWay: then do 'xauth local:'
[14:24:00] Deepdelver: unknow command local
[14:24:00] Deepdelver: but nevermind
[14:24:00] Deepdelver: i will try it later
[14:24:00] Deepdelver: need to go away
[14:25:00] Deepdelver: but thnx
[14:25:00] Deepdelver: will try it later
[14:25:00] PaulWay: OK.
[14:25:00] Deepdelver: thnx for all the help
[14:25:00] Deepdelver: bye
[14:25:00] Deepdelver: ;-)
[14:25:00] PaulWay: Have fun!
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[14:25:00] laga: he'll never do it.
[14:25:00] GreyFoxx: PaulWay: Good luck. He's been at this for a very long time
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[14:26:00] PaulWay: Why do we always try to get solutions when we're just about to leave.
[14:26:00] laga: he isn't the smartest person
[14:26:00] PaulWay: and he's using a non-user-helpful distro, I'd say.
[14:27:00] PaulWay: Still, all courage to him for going at it.
[14:27:00] PaulWay: help?
[14:27:00] PaulWay: Is there a bot here that can pass on messages when he returns?
[14:27:00] GreyFoxx: PaulWay: He's tried several distros. He just has no unix/linux knowledge at all, and doesn't want to use Mailing lists. And has a distinct inability to use google
[14:28:00] rsdvd: can anyone help me with a problem.......I cannot get Mythtvsetup to scan for channels....even though the DVB card works fine in Kaffeien.....please
[14:28:00] PaulWay: I've tried using the mythtv-users mailing list – it's like trying to find a golfball in a blizzard.
[14:28:00] GreyFoxx: PaulWay: No, just a logbox. But you might be able to send something through memoserv if his nick is registered
[14:28:00] PaulWay: OK, you have the card set up.
[14:28:00] PaulWay: memoserv?
[14:28:00] PaulWay: I'm a bit new to IRC.
[14:29:00] GreyFoxx: Yes. this network has chanserv, nickserv and I believe memoserv
[14:29:00] PaulWay: rsdvd, you've got the card registered in the first menu item in mythtvsetup?
[14:29:00] GreyFoxx: though he has to be a registered user, AND register when he joins to get any memo which I doubt he does
[14:29:00] rsdvd: yes.....that looks ok to me!
[14:29:00] PaulWay: Have you registered a transport in the channel setup?
[14:29:00] PaulWay: Where are you geographically?
[14:30:00] PaulWay: Or: WITWAY?
[14:30:00] rsdvd: I am in the UK
[14:30:00] PaulWay: You know your channel frequencies?
[14:30:00] PaulWay: It's been a while since I set up the channels but my memory's fairly good.
[14:31:00] PaulWay: GreyFoxx, you'll have to tell me how to use memoserv please
[14:31:00] rsdvd: I have kaffeine working fine...so I was taking the frequency form one of the channels it managed to fine
[14:31:00] rsdvd: s/fine/find/g
[14:31:00] PaulWay: Fair enough.
[14:32:00] PaulWay: Just walk me through what you do and I'll pick it up.
[14:32:00] GreyFoxx: PaulWay: IT has been about 8 years since I last used a memoserv :) I just know that everytime I connect to this IRC network and register with nickserv memoserv tells me that I have no waiting messages :)
[14:33:00] rsdvd: I added the card to 'capture cards' as a DVB.....then added a 'Video source' called freeview (without any channels though as I want to use the OTA EPG)
[14:33:00] GreyFoxx: But a /msg memoserv help
[14:33:00] PaulWay: GreyFoxx, right, google it is then.
[14:33:00] GreyFoxx: would get you started
[14:33:00] PaulWay: Oooh, and so it does, GreyFoxx!
[14:33:00] rsdvd: I associated the freeview to the DVB0 input on the card via 'input connections'...then when to 'scan channels'
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[14:34:00] rsdvd: I entered the frequency for BBC1 and hit next and it can't get a lock
[14:35:00] PaulWay: rsdvd, that's a tough one.
[14:36:00] PaulWay: No signal at all?
[14:36:00] rsdvd: does it sound like I have done it correctly?
[14:36:00] PaulWay: And yet you can immediately exit and use kaffeine?
[14:36:00] PaulWay: My memory says you've left something out, but maybe that was just an earlier step that's been successfull.
[14:36:00] rsdvd: it stays as status ff....and ends with Warning...No Lock
[14:37:00] rsdvd: Yes....I can use Kaffeine without problems
[14:37:00] PaulWay: If you can get to registering a transport and then scanning that transport for channels, then it would seem to be good.
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[14:38:00] rsdvd: other than what I have been doing, how would I do that?
[14:38:00] PaulWay: Ummm – it's been too long for me to say for sure how I got it working.
[14:38:00] PaulWay: And my SO is watching TV on the backend at the moment so I can't get at it right now.
[14:39:00] rsdvd: ok
[14:39:00] rsdvd: I have been battling to get this Myth box working for weeks......everything I do seems to screw something else up. I am beginig to thin I will never get this working
[14:40:00] PaulWay: I thought that too!
[14:40:00] PaulWay: Persevere!
[14:41:00] PaulWay: It would sound like you've got the right devices set up – it took me a fair bit of odd-hackery just to get mythtvsetup to see the card at all.
[14:41:00] rsdvd: I will.......but my other half is not impressed............and I want to spend more money to build a few SFF frontends
[14:41:00] PaulWay: SFF?
[14:41:00] rsdvd: small form factor
[14:41:00] PaulWay: Ahh.
[14:41:00] PaulWay: Of course.
[14:41:00] ** PaulWay slaps forehead **
[14:41:00] rsdvd: probably EPIA machines
[14:42:00] GreyFoxx: Using DVB is often a source of pain as there is usually little info on what exactly you need to do to get it setup/scanning . You have to use trial and error or search websites for frequency info
[14:42:00] PaulWay: I've got one but I haven't tried installing Myth on it.
[14:42:00] GreyFoxx: I configured up a slave backend last night with a dvb card and it took me an hour to find out what values to plug in to scan for channels :)
[14:42:00] PaulWay: From memory, the way I worked was that I had the card registered (step 1) and connected to a source (step 2 and 3)
[14:42:00] rsdvd: GreyFoxx....I am begingi to appreciate that! but I need Freeview in the UK.....which is DVB only
[14:43:00] GreyFoxx: rsdvd: If you get it running (maybe with help from those on the -users list who are also using it) you might consider documenting it for the next person
[14:43:00] PaulWay: Then I scanned for channels and entered the transport information (the frequency, from memory, is (stupidly) entered in Hertz)
[14:44:00] PaulWay: No.
[14:44:00] PaulWay: I did something first that registered the frequency and other (default) information as a transport.
[14:44:00] PaulWay: Then I scanned for channels on that transport.
[14:44:00] PaulWay: MythTV machine is free now.
[14:44:00] rsdvd: GreyFoxx........the problems seems to be the support in the kernel changes so fast that every HOWTO I have read is out of date
[14:44:00] PaulWay: Does it have anything it's currently recording?
[14:44:00] ** PaulWay checks mythweb. **
[14:45:00] PaulWay: No, it doesn't.
[14:45:00] PaulWay: I'll be back in five.
[14:46:00] GreyFoxx: rsdvd: It definately chanhes when it comes to improved support for devices. But the overall usage of the apps or DVB API shouldn't change too much
[14:47:00] PaulWay: Yeah, go to the Advanced button in the Channel editor and set up a new transport.
[14:47:00] PaulWay: Have you done this at all?
[14:47:00] rsdvd: 'shouldn't' is the opperative word
[14:48:00] rsdvd: no...not tried advnaced...I will give it a go
[14:48:00] PaulWay: Ah, then that's your ticket.
[14:49:00] PaulWay: I found I had to set up each frequency as a transport, and then I could scan for actual TV using the 'Scan for Channels' button.
[14:49:00] PaulWay: I agree with GreyFoxx re new and improved DVB support.
[14:49:00] PaulWay: If I'd started this a year earlier I think I would have had to be compiling the kernel and DVB drivers from scratch.
[14:50:00] PaulWay: No person not thoroughly familiar with Linux should have to do that.
[14:50:00] PaulWay: At least you guys have a nice working XML TV grabber.
[14:50:00] PaulWay: There's no official one for Australia yet...
[14:50:00] PaulWay: How's that going, rsdvd?
[14:51:00] rsdvd: Ihave created the transport...but I get the smae thing when I scan
[14:52:00] PaulWay: Try scanning for one transport individually.
[14:52:00] rsdvd: I did
[14:52:00] PaulWay: Sorry, try scanning one transport individually.
[14:52:00] PaulWay: Curse.
[14:52:00] PaulWay: That's me out then.
[14:52:00] Skaface: PaulWay: the australian one works well for me
[14:52:00] PaulWay: Ah, but which one?
[14:52:00] Skaface: the one from that tractor place
[14:52:00] rsdvd: OOOOO......might be getting closer
[14:52:00] PaulWay: Rohbags.
[14:52:00] Skaface: thats the one
[14:53:00] PaulWay: Yeah, that's pretty old and doesn't support a lot of the regions.
[14:53:00] rsdvd: yeah...that transport has scanned and found channels :-)
[14:53:00] Skaface: there was a recentish update
[14:53:00] PaulWay: I have a Subversion repository of an improved version of that.
[14:53:00] Skaface: seemed to fix alot of the bugs of the old one
[14:53:00] Skaface: ie. it works
[14:53:00] PaulWay: do 'svn checkout svn://tangram.dnsalias.net/tv_grab_au_0.7'
[14:53:00] PaulWay: Maybe he's updated it...
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[14:54:00] Skaface: 0.6.2
[14:54:00] Skaface: 31-May-2005
[14:54:00] rsdvd: PaulWay......thanks for the help! I just now have to work out haw many transports ther are and set them all up
[14:54:00] Jelte: Hi all.. i just realized (duh) that Hauppauge PVR-150 is analog... but i need a DVB-T (uk freeview) card for my mythtv solution... anyone got any recommendations for one that will work ok?
[14:54:00] PaulWay: rsdvd, It's working?
[14:55:00] rsdvd: yes! well that transport is :-)
[14:55:00] PaulWay: Skaface, He's obviously updated it since I worked on it.
[14:55:00] PaulWay: So you can scan the transport for channels and they show up?
[14:55:00] PaulWay: The problem is that, technically, almost all of the .au ones are illegal.
[14:55:00] rsdvd: LOL.....Jelt.......you best read the archives of this chat!
[14:56:00] Skaface: not quite sure, i havent started from scratch using this new version yet
[14:56:00] PaulWay: The only one that isn't is the one that uses the OzTivo source, which isn't as detailed.
[14:56:00] rsdvd: PaulWay.....yes it found all the BBC channels on that transport (except the radio...but I think Myth does nto support that)
[14:56:00] PaulWay: I use an AVerMedia DVB-T, it works fine.
[14:56:00] PaulWay: I'm getting a lot of write_dst errors from the TwinHan card I bought.
[14:56:00] Skaface: does the oztivo rip teh data from a web site?
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[14:56:00] rsdvd: Jelte....I recommend the Hauppague Nova-T
[14:56:00] PaulWay: They don't actually seem to change anything but they're there...
[14:57:00] Skaface: i think the rohbags one is actually legal
[14:57:00] PaulWay: Skaface, theoretically they have people type it in from the TV guides.
[14:57:00] Skaface: ah ok
[14:57:00] Skaface: lol, thats some task
[14:57:00] PaulWay: Well, AFAIK the d1.com.au feed likewise lacks a lot of the actual program data.
[14:58:00] KaZeR: anyone here using a pundit-R ?
[14:58:00] Skaface: theres no descriptions if thats what you mean
[14:58:00] PaulWay: Skaface, The actual information is not copyright, but the presentation (on a website) is.
[14:58:00] Skaface: hmm ok
[14:58:00] Skaface: and it costs alot for the actual data
[14:59:00] PaulWay: And even Microsoft wasn't able to get the media companies here to release their death-grip on program guide info for PVR machines.
[14:59:00] Skaface: how did d1 manage it then?
[15:00:00] PaulWay: Well, d1 purchase it legally but they essentially shrink-wrap the guide data in.
[15:00:00] PaulWay: The MS thing was just something I heard, but I've seen a few corroborating bits of evidence.
[15:00:00] PaulWay: Warren Toomey is the guy who knows all about it.
[15:01:00] PaulWay: rsdvd, yeah, no radio support at this stage, which is annoying.
[15:01:00] Jelte: sorry, someone at the door... rsdvd, nova-t? but does that have hardware mpeg decoding?
[15:02:00] PaulWay: Skaface: But, AFAIK, the lack of an 'official' tv_grab_au is because there have been several XMLTV grabber writers threatened with legal action if they didn't take their program guide information off the air.
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[15:02:00] Skaface: yeah, ive heard about that stuff
[15:02:00] PaulWay: Use an nVidia card, they pretty much all do MPEG2 decoding on-card nowadays.
[15:03:00] PaulWay: Anyway, time for bed here.
[15:03:00] rsdvd: Jelte....yes it is a mpeg decoder....http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/pages/products/data_novatpci.html
[15:03:00] Jelte: i'm actually starting to confuse myself now... i'm intending to have a mythtv backend, with a roku photobridge running a mythtv front end
[15:04:00] Skaface: i set up a frontend on my mac laptop yesterday.... i can now watch tv in bed !
[15:04:00] Skaface: its a bit unstable though
[15:05:00] PaulWay: I got my frontend running after having to rejigger mysql because I'd forgotten the master username and password.
[15:05:00] PaulWay: OK, now I go.
[15:05:00] Skaface: haha
[15:05:00] PaulWay: Good luck, rsdvd!
[15:05:00] Skaface: you are a net addict, arnt you
[15:05:00] Jelte: ahh.. and there i was looking at the pvr-500.... that means my budget has gone from 300 odd quid down to 79 :-)
[15:06:00] Jelte: (but one less tuner, but i can always buy an extra one should i need it)
[15:06:00] PaulWay: Pfah – today I only spent eight hours working on computers!
[15:06:00] PaulWay: (I had the day away from work)
[15:07:00] PaulWay: Jelte, buy two now and save yourself the trouble.
[15:07:00] Jelte: cool... well thanks for the info.. all i need now is to find a cheap roku photobridge... for some reason you can only get the one with art packs in the uk....
[15:07:00] PaulWay: :-)
[15:07:00] PaulWay: Jelte: Does this work as a remote X session, or are you just going to transcode all your programs into AVI files for it?
[15:08:00] rsdvd: thanks PaulWay
[15:08:00] Jelte: PaulWay: , well i have a freeview set top now with two tuners... in the half year i've had it.. i've only used the dual tuners once.. and even then i didn't need it... recorded two shite shows ;-)
[15:08:00] PaulWay: We end up using them more often than we think – but then we've only got five channels here in .au
[15:09:00] PaulWay: OK, now I go.
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[17:06:00] GreyFoxx: Interesting. My PIII 650mhz slave backend can comflag at ~120fps, but the masterbackend a XP2500+ is only doing it at around 39fps :)
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[17:13:00] PatrickDK: hmm, my p3 850mhz can only go at about 45fps
[17:13:00] PatrickDK: that is 720x480
[17:13:00] GreyFoxx: These recordings are 544x480. Mpegts from my dvb card on the slave, Mpegps from my 250's on the master
[17:13:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: where are the files?
[17:14:00] Beirdo: is one pulling over NFS, the other not?
[17:14:00] PatrickDK: mine is mpegps at 2.5mbps
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Nope
[17:14:00] Beirdo: odd
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: ran mythcommflag locally on each
[17:14:00] Beirdo: on local files?
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[17:14:00] Beirdo: your Athlon's crappily slow for some reason then :)
[17:14:00] PatrickDK: hmm, is commercial detection setup the same for both?
[17:15:00] Beirdo: probably something simple
[17:15:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Something is weird. And it's not even using 100% of the cpu
[17:16:00] Beirdo: ahhh, there's a setting for that
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: PatrickDK: to be honest I pretty much never use commercial flagging and as such haven't configured anything on either of them that I know of for it
[17:16:00] jcollins: isn't commflag done at low priority normally?
[17:16:00] Beirdo: you may have one in aggressive mode, one in wussie mode
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: I'll have to check that over when I get home
[17:16:00] Beirdo: yeah
[17:16:00] Beirdo: whatever name Geckofiend gave them :)
[17:17:00] Beirdo: I think that was him... or was that Captain_Murdoch?
[17:17:00] Beirdo: I don't remember anymore, my brain sucks
[17:17:00] GreyFoxx: CM :)
[17:17:00] Beirdo: K :)
[17:17:00] Beirdo: sorry, Captain_Murdoch. my bad
[17:18:00] jcollins: anyone know where the bts for mythweb is (or if there is one)?
[17:18:00] Flamie: Hi beirdo
[17:18:00] Flamie: I hear you talk about commercial flagging, how does that work? (I want to skip commercial, what do I do? =)
[17:18:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: This is my first slave backend at the house so I'm working out the kinks. Like for some reason I can't get a pixmap from the slave at all
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[17:19:00] Beirdo: ahh
[17:19:00] Beirdo: there was a trick to that when I did it, but I forget
[17:19:00] Beirdo: Flamie: I think it's all in the docs
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[17:21:00] Beirdo: oh how I hate doing powerpoint
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[17:26:00] kahuna_: Anyone know of a good remote that works with linux? I needthe IR reciever since I only have 1 PCI slot and it will be occupied by a pchdtv
[17:27:00] Beirdo: there are USB ones. google might help you
[17:28:00] kahuna_: I haven't spent a lot of time on google researching that yet. USB or firewire would be ideal. I'm doing the SFF thing.
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[17:35:00] FaithX: how do I get around dependencies like I am trying to install modules that require libqt3c102-mt but libqt3-mt is the latest so the package won't install and other packages need libqt3-mt?
[17:38:00] rsdvd: Hiya Folks! Can anyone give me a hand getting my TV-out to work please?
[17:39:00] jcollins: FaithX: recompile or install the needed version
[17:40:00] jcollins: rsdvd: you're going to need to provide a lot more information, such as what have you tried, what hardware are you trying to use, etc
[17:41:00] rsdvd: Hi: I have managed to get the TV-out to work on a remote fronend........but the picture is just coloured snow when the graphical part of X starts
[17:42:00] rsdvd: I know I will need to do something witht he modelines....bu tI have nver even heard of them before I read the archives
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[17:44:00] whyz: lol.. i'm reading http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 75?page=last , which brings up an issue that i have too.. if i don't do "dd if=/dev/video0 of=/dev/video16 bs=64k" before tryign to use xv output from mplayer or vlc, the screen gets garbage.. just green and pink. does anyone know what's causing this and what can be done to prevent it?
[17:45:00] GreyFoxx: I believe that was an issue with the ivtv driver several version ago. I thought they had that taken care of now
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[17:46:00] whyz: i'm using 0.3.9
[17:47:00] rsdvd: jcollins.......can you point me int he direction of any decent info on setting up X for TV-out?
[17:47:00] jcollins: rsdvd: it really depends on your hardware
[17:47:00] GreyFoxx: whyz: Then you will need to consult the #ivtv-dev guys or the ivtv-dev mailing list.
[17:48:00] whyz: ah, thank you
[17:48:00] rsdvd: I am connecting via a s-video/scart connection to my 21" CRT ....I am in the UK (PAL-I)....and I have a ATI Radeo 9200se
[17:49:00] rsdvd: The tv-out is definatly working (I can watch the POST and work in a command prompt)....it is just getting X tosend something usable
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[17:50:00] Ryushin: Okay, time to tackle the last bug of my myth installation. The quality problems of the PVR-350 card. It's much lower quality than the tuner that is in my Samsung DLP tv. So, let the fun begin.
[17:52:00] jcollins: which version of X? XFree86 or Xorg?
[17:52:00] rsdvd: Xorg
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[17:57:00] jcollins: rsdvd: from what I can see you'll have to look into GATOS
[17:58:00] jcollins: rsdvd: specifically – http://megahurts.dk/rune/tv_output.html
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[17:58:00] rsdvd: I have the ATI drivers installed.....and The TV out is working fine for text output.......It just needs to have the correct settings to drive the TV
[17:59:00] jcollins: rsdvd: right, it needs an X driver that supports it... that page shows you how...
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[18:02:00] tmk: Ryushin: is the tuner bad? or is it that the compressed video isn't as good?
[18:03:00] tmk:
[18:04:00] Ryushin: tmk: It looks like the bob deinterlace is causing the picture to bounce by one line.
[18:05:00] Ryushin: I'm running xvmc (need to for HD), and xvmc only can use the bob de-interlace filter.
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[18:08:00] tmk: Ryushin: that's a software problem then, not hardware
[18:11:00] Ryushin: Hmmm.... Even when I turned xvmc off, it still didn't look as good as the TV. I guess the first thing is to figure out why it bounces up and down a line and why the HD-3000 card does not.
[18:12:00] Ryushin: Is there a way to make the PVR-350 card dump it's stream as progressive and not interlaced?
[18:12:00] PatrickDK: no
[18:13:00] PatrickDK: it wouldn't be dumping ntsc than
[18:14:00] PatrickDK: hmm, when the screen output size isn't correct, it bobs up and down
[18:14:00] PatrickDK: you need to adjust the output res
[18:14:00] Ryushin: Does that matter. It can't take a NTSC signal and make it progressive.
[18:14:00] Ryushin: Output res is 720x480.
[18:14:00] PatrickDK: just start dropping the res, one line at a time would be my tests
[18:14:00] tmk: NTSC is interlaced
[18:15:00] tmk: the 350 can only do increments of 16 lines
[18:15:00] PatrickDK: there are some people that have posted their results on webpages
[18:17:00] Ryushin: Okay, just so I'm not confusing anyone, I'm not outputting through the PVR-350 card. I'm sending the output through my DVI at 720p. When you say I should start dropping the resolution, do you mean through ivtvctl?
[18:17:00] foobum: is it a known bug that the GUI size/position adjustments aren't applied to the program guide?
[18:17:00] tmk: Ryushin: that's what he meant
[18:18:00] tmk: however the pvr350 can only output on multiples of 16 lines
[18:18:00] Beirdo: that's an MPEG2 restriction, IIRC
[18:18:00] tmk: right
[18:18:00] tmk: it may be able to do differently in raw-mode
[18:20:00] PatrickDK: why do you care about a 16line limit on output size?
[18:20:00] tmk: because you've asked him to change the output size one line at a time
[18:20:00] PatrickDK: yes
[18:20:00] PatrickDK: OUTPUT=tv/montor, input=pvr-350
[18:21:00] PatrickDK: heh, you have to play with your mode lines in X
[18:21:00] Beirdo: you need to do that in private of course :)
[18:21:00] PatrickDK: na, I like to share :)
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[18:23:00] Beirdo: morning, xris
[18:25:00] xris: morning
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[18:25:00] xris: what is it with overqualified people applying for junior-level jobs?
[18:25:00] Beirdo: maybe they are out of work
[18:26:00] xris: job description clearly says $17–20/hour, but these people (from monster.com) clearly state they're looking for $55–60k/year
[18:26:00] Beirdo: or need work that's beneath them for whatever reason :)
[18:26:00] Beirdo: yeah, but don't forget... negotiation
[18:26:00] Ryushin: I had to go do something. It has to be divisable by 16, yes. But 720x480 is divisable by 16.
[18:26:00] xris: yeah. no one negotiates $6–8/hour down.
[18:26:00] Beirdo: rarely happens, true
[18:27:00] Beirdo: and you aren't likely to negotiate that far up either
[18:28:00] Beirdo: *sigh* I need a life
[18:28:00] xris: you HAVE a life.
[18:28:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:28:00] xris: it's just in another country.
[18:28:00] Beirdo: oh, right
[18:28:00] xris: well, sort of.
[18:28:00] xris: outside of your own country, anyway.
[18:28:00] Beirdo: yeah
[18:29:00] Ryushin: Well, I'll play with this some more a bit later. Gotta go.
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[18:30:00] sphing: does anyone have an lirc config for myth on a xbo
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[18:48:00] Beirdo: oh there he is
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[18:52:00] kahuna_: Anyone running mythtv with a twinhan satellite card?
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[19:05:00] simprix: When mythtv records a show the show is jittering every once in awhile. This just started. I get error's about the audio buffer. It seems like the video is trying to catch up with the audio. How can I fix this ?
[19:06:00] PatrickDK: maybe try sync on video instead
[19:06:00] PatrickDK: is it the actual recording, or the playback?
[19:06:00] simprix: playback
[19:07:00] simprix: of a recording
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[19:20:00] simprix: PatrickDK: what do you think ?
[19:21:00] PatrickDK: I already said what I think
[19:21:00] simprix: how do i change that then
[19:21:00] PatrickDK: it's an option, on the playback option page
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[19:22:00] simprix: oh ok thanks
[19:22:00] rsdvd: Hello has anyone got a PVR (ivtv) and a DVB card in the same box?
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[19:25:00] xris: I have a pvr-150 and air2pc (dvb drivers)
[19:26:00] rsdvd: I have just tried to install the ivtv drivers for my PVR-150.......and it has killed by DVB driver. The thing won't install anymore
[19:26:00] rsdvd: did you have to do anything special to get them to install at the same time?
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[19:37:00] xris: rsdvd: nope
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[19:38:00] poonj: hey guys...is it possible to record from a VHS through the PVR-150 and then store it myth?
[19:39:00] Beirdo: yes
[19:39:00] poonj: which program would I use?
[19:39:00] poonj: I mean
[19:39:00] rsdvd: xris : when I do make isntall in the ivtv drivers......it tells me there are conflicts with loads of the stuff in the modules.
[19:39:00] poonj: whjich feature
[19:39:00] poonj: under watch tv?
[19:39:00] Beirdo: I'm sure I saw it on the mailing list a while ago
[19:39:00] poonj: is there a search-able mailing list for myth?
[19:39:00] Beirdo: but you setup a channel in a separate recording source which you tie to the input the VCR is on
[19:39:00] Beirdo: yes
[19:40:00] poonj: okay...
[19:40:00] poonj: let me check it out..
[19:40:00] poonj: also..
[19:40:00] Beirdo: there's a link off the mythtv.org site
[19:40:00] poonj: you have any experience with the pchdtv card?
[19:40:00] laga: poonj: if it's only one vhs, you could use mythvideo and cat /dev/video0 ;)
[19:40:00] Beirdo: I setup my VCR like that a long time ago
[19:40:00] poonj: I having trouble getting it to work with the ne 0.3.8 drivers
[19:40:00] Beirdo: or that, you can just capture by hand
[19:41:00] Beirdo: I don't have pchdtv, sorry
[19:41:00] poonj: laga, heh
[19:41:00] poonj: Beirdo, okay...I'll look into it...I just wanted to know it was possible
[19:41:00] Beirdo: it is
[19:41:00] xris: rsdvd: odd. I
[19:41:00] xris: I'm no expert on the subject, though...
[19:41:00] Beirdo: it's not necessarily easy to setup though, but it's possible
[19:41:00] poonj: I see..
[19:41:00] rsdvd: the ivtv driver has a cnflict with the tveeprom
[19:41:00] Beirdo: you'd do a manual scheduling to record something
[19:42:00] poonj: I'm sure it has to nbe something like that..
[19:42:00] poonj: rsdvd, yeah
[19:42:00] poonj: rsdvd, I've been running into that....i guess I'll use an older version of ivtv then
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[19:43:00] rsdvd: poonj, it says to move the modules from the /lib/modules......now the DVB card wonl;t work
[19:43:00] poonj: rsdvd, I had the same problem
[19:43:00] PatrickDK: hmm, there is a fix to that
[19:43:00] PatrickDK: it's posted somewhere
[19:43:00] poonj: PatrickDK, is there?
[19:43:00] poonj: PatrickDK, have a link?
[19:43:00] PatrickDK: nope
[19:43:00] foobum: is it normal to experience 80%+ cpu usage on a high end system when using the bob deinterlacer?
[19:43:00] PatrickDK: linuxtv.org maybe?
[19:44:00] PatrickDK: foobum, sure
[19:44:00] PatrickDK: bob uses ALOT of cpu
[19:44:00] BobJensen: I sure do
[19:44:00] foobum: hmm
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[19:44:00] rsdvd: any idea how to get back the modules It told me to remove? I tried make install inthe v4l directory but it did nto fix it
[19:45:00] foobum: i take it if i don't deinterlace, the output will be missing half the frames?
[19:45:00] foobum: or.. why do i have to deinterlace considering i'm outputting to an interlaced tv?
[19:45:00] PatrickDK: no
[19:46:00] laga: foobum: if you don't deinterlace, the output may look shitty, but you'll get all the frames. just not in the right order sometimes ;)
[19:46:00] foobum: (via the svideo out on an nvidia card)
[19:46:00] PatrickDK: you should only be using deinterlace for monitors or progressive tv's (???p)
[19:46:00] PatrickDK: svideo is interlace
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[19:46:00] PatrickDK: don't deinterlace it
[19:46:00] foobum: ah.. i figured the nvidia tv encoder is expeting progressive video tho?
[19:46:00] PatrickDK: cause it will look horrble(or could)
[19:46:00] foobum: (a la my desktop)
[19:47:00] PatrickDK: .
[19:47:00] foobum: hmm.. my gf insists it looks much "smoother" when deinterlaced
[19:47:00] laga: PatrickDK: you will still have issues because the tv encoder chip uses a different timing for interlacing, iirc. the output will be deinterlaced, but not synchronized to the video IIRC
[19:47:00] foobum: yeah.. i figured the tv encoder is going to be interlacing
[19:48:00] foobum: so logically i'd better deinterlace before sending the signal to it?
[19:48:00] PatrickDK: maybe cause the only tv out I used so far is the 350
[19:48:00] foobum: i so wish i could use mine
[19:48:00] PatrickDK: that is why interlaced looked good for me
[19:48:00] foobum: yah.. i'd love to be using mine
[19:48:00] foobum: unfortunately it doesn't work
[19:48:00] foobum: the decoder seems to have a weird conflict with something
[19:49:00] foobum: since all i get out of the audio jack is intermittent static
[19:49:00] foobum: (and a jumpy picture)
[19:49:00] foobum: the encoder works fine
[19:49:00] PatrickDK: you using a good firmware version?
[19:49:00] foobum: ok.. so i guess i should be deinterlacing... why use bob?
[19:50:00] PatrickDK: bob is the best
[19:50:00] PatrickDK: but uses the most cpu
[19:50:00] PatrickDK: it outputs at 60fpm
[19:50:00] PatrickDK: 60fps
[19:50:00] PatrickDK: instead of 30
[19:50:00] foobum: yeah.. and xvmc.. is that a good or bad thing?
[19:51:00] foobum: hmm.. but my PAL tele is only 25fps anyway right?
[19:51:00] PatrickDK: xvmc could be good or bad
[19:51:00] PatrickDK: oh, well, 50fps than
[19:51:00] PatrickDK: instead of 25
[19:51:00] foobum: why is that an advantage? the tv is only receiving 25ps surely?
[19:51:00] PatrickDK: ya
[19:51:00] foobum: i guess it's an advantage on progressive displays
[19:51:00] PatrickDK: but to deinterlace, two frames to make one frame
[19:52:00] foobum: yeah ok
[19:52:00] PatrickDK: the problem is you have 1/2 of the last frame and half of the next frame
[19:52:00] PatrickDK: so you double the rate
[19:52:00] PatrickDK: you get all the motion in the correct timeslots then
[19:52:00] foobum: so it doee have an advantage for me..
[19:52:00] PatrickDK: just double unneeded data
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[19:53:00] foobum: yeah.. i've tried a few different firmware versions including the recommened and latest
[19:53:00] foobum: same with all of them
[19:53:00] foobum: it even exhibits the same symptoms in Windows
[19:53:00] foobum: :/
[19:53:00] PatrickDK: heh, the latest works good for me
[19:53:00] PatrickDK: but then 0.3.4–0.3.8 don't work for me
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[19:54:00] foobum: what symptoms?
[19:54:00] PatrickDK: 0.3.9 and 0.3.3 and 0.2.0 works though
[19:54:00] Sx1z: hello all
[19:54:00] PatrickDK: no video output
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[19:54:00] PatrickDK: sound was ok
[19:54:00] foobum: ah.. i always get video out
[19:54:00] Sx1z: need some help for my geexbox
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[19:54:00] foobum: hmm
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[19:54:00] foobum: considering it doesnt work under Windows either i'm assuming some sort of weird hardware conflict type thing
[19:55:00] foobum: which is a shame, because i much prefer that tv out
[19:55:00] PatrickDK: you deleted msp3400 right?
[19:55:00] foobum: the mainline one?
[19:55:00] foobum: yup
[19:56:00] foobum: can use of xvmc affect quality?
[19:56:00] foobum: i.e. will i lose any by enabling it?
[19:57:00] PatrickDK: depends
[19:57:00] PatrickDK: on how well the hardware decoder is vs the software one
[19:57:00] foobum: on?
[19:57:00] foobum: ah
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[19:57:00] foobum: saves me ~ 60% cpu
[19:57:00] foobum: so is probably worth it either wya
[20:00:00] foobum: i mailed hauppage wrt the 350 issue... they didn't reply :/
[20:01:00] laga: last time i mailed their german support, it took them a few days to reply
[20:02:00] foobum: ah.. this was about a weekj or so ago
[20:02:00] threefingers: has anyone used the mythdora install?
[20:02:00] rjune: laga: and you're in germany
[20:02:00] rjune: threefingers: mythdora?
[20:02:00] threefingers: like knoppmyth
[20:02:00] rjune: a bootable cd with myth based on fedora?
[20:03:00] poonj: hey guys
[20:03:00] threefingers: yes and installs everything you need
[20:03:00] poonj: how can I get it so that when I boot up the computer it automatically logs in and starts mythfrontend?
[20:03:00] rjune: threefingers: never heard of it
[20:03:00] poonj: is there a howto on that?
[20:03:00] rjune: I swear, I'm gonna have to write a script to install fedora
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[20:04:00] threefingers: http://www.g-ding.tv/ well 1.5 just came out and I'm may try it
[20:05:00] rjune: threefingers: neat
[20:05:00] rjune: they provide updates?
[20:05:00] threefingers: I may try it, I have ubuntu working but I broke the hotplug stuff
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[20:41:00] Goshen: I have a used hauppauge wintv card here, it doesn't have a model on it, just says 6111 REV AMB
[20:42:00] Beirdo: there we go :)
[20:42:00] Beirdo: what chips are on it?
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[20:45:00] tmk: Goshen: probably just a regular bttv card
[20:45:00] Beirdo: it's likely bttv
[20:45:00] Beirdo: or cx88
[20:46:00] Beirdo: if it's new enough
[20:46:00] Beirdo: easiest way to know: plug it in, turn the machine on and see what lspci says
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[20:48:00] Nemas: Hey everyone
[20:49:00] Nemas: Anyone know where you go in myth to configure the britness and contrast? My tv is super bright
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[20:49:00] Beirdo: use the TV remote?
[20:49:00] Nemas: It doesnt seem to be working. It does everything but that
[20:49:00] Beirdo: failing that... turn on XV picture controls, and I think it's the F key to cycle
[20:50:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:50:00] laga: the F key? hehe.
[20:50:00] Nemas: F key, thanks man
[20:50:00] Beirdo: look in keys.txt to be sure
[20:54:00] Nemas: G key for me )
[20:54:00] Nemas: still looks like crap tho (
[20:55:00] Nemas: Anyone have a moment to share their default settings? My wife sais I am colorblind lol
[20:55:00] Beirdo: so get her to set it
[20:55:00] Nemas: lol
[20:55:00] mchou: Beirdo: so you canned your air2pc purchase?
[20:55:00] Nemas: she is as bad as me at that
[20:55:00] Beirdo: mchou: nope, they never got back to me, I just don't care
[20:56:00] mchou: Beirdo: ok.
[20:56:00] Beirdo: I was gonna pay by PayPal, so whatever
[20:56:00] mchou: Beirdo: who are "they?" Cyberestore?
[20:56:00] Beirdo: yup
[20:57:00] mchou: heh, on their web site they want explicit confirmation from you for order, it seems.....
[20:57:00] Beirdo: they do now
[20:57:00] Beirdo: I just don't care
[20:58:00] Beirdo: I'm not giving them any money
[20:58:00] mchou: OK, fair enough.
[20:58:00] Beirdo: I have better things to spend the money on :)
[20:58:00] mchou: haha!!
[20:58:00] mchou: no doubt
[20:58:00] Beirdo: my toy budget is 0
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[20:59:00] smoke_: any themers here?
[21:02:00] poonj: hey Beirdo, I'm still having trouble with my nuvexport module. I'm getting errors with ffmpeg. I'm using the unstable version of FFMPGE that I downloaded through the debian repositories....
[21:02:00] poonj: is there another version of ffmpeg I need or is there something else wrong?
[21:03:00] Beirdo: I dunno
[21:05:00] xris: Beirdo: they apparently sent out a bunch of "are you sure you still want this?" emails
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[21:06:00] Beirdo: never sent me one :)
[21:06:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:06:00] jhoke: heyas
[21:06:00] Beirdo: don't care, I'll say no
[21:08:00] jhoke: is there anyway to either play music over the images slideshows or show images while running mythmusic? I think I know its not possible, but hey... gotta ask (wife requested I try and find out LOL)
[21:08:00] Beirdo: not yet that I know of :)
[21:08:00] jhoke: one of those "Nice to Haves"
[21:08:00] xris: jhoke: some future version in the works... dunno when it'll be stable enough to merge into the main stuff
[21:09:00] jhoke: xris, thanks
[21:09:00] xris: it's part of mfd/mfe if you ever hear mention of them
[21:09:00] jhoke: one last image question, any idea if it supports NEF files (RAW camera files from Digital SLRs)
[21:09:00] xris: no clue
[21:09:00] jhoke: mfd/mfe?
[21:09:00] jhoke: my fucking dream/my fucking experiment"?
[21:10:00] xris: frontend daemon and frontend engine(?)... basically separates the frontend into two pieces... separate piece for handling audio playback so that you can have music playing while doing other stuff, or pause music while watching tv, incoming phone calls, etc.
[21:10:00] jhoke: that would be VERY nice
[21:11:00] poonj: hey guys...is it possible to have the linux box automatically login and start mythfrontend at startup?
[21:11:00] jhoke: poonj: yes
[21:11:00] poonj: jhoke, where can I get information on that?
[21:11:00] jhoke: how depends on your distro tho' I believe
[21:11:00] poonj: oh?
[21:11:00] poonj: I'm using debian now...
[21:12:00] jhoke: or atleast your window manager/xdm/gdm/etc
[21:12:00] poonj: I'm using gdm..
[21:12:00] jhoke: I just set it to automatically login as "mythtv" (my myth user) after 5 seconds, then in KDE I have it autostart Myth
[21:13:00] poonj: okay...so you wrote a script?
[21:13:00] poonj: or you can set it in kde?
[21:13:00] smoke_: anyone know much about mythtv themes here? :)
[21:13:00] smoke_: i need to change my font, but when i put the fontname in my <fontname> tag it doenst work.. any ideas?
[21:13:00] jhoke: I wrote a one line script in my ~/.kde/Autostart folder ;)
[21:14:00] poonj: ;)
[21:14:00] jhoke: (actually its more than one line as it does other stuff I need, but one line is for myth)
[21:14:00] poonj: okay cool
[21:14:00] jhoke: gak, Roberts was just sworn in ... feh
[21:15:00] PatrickDK: that is old news
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[21:15:00] poonj: Roberts is supposedly a centrist
[21:15:00] poonj: so for a chief justice...thats a win for democrats
[21:15:00] jhoke: Patrick, old, as in 5 minutes ;)
[21:15:00] jhoke: poonj, maybe...
[21:16:00] jhoke: as a left leaning libertarian (or a libertarian leaning centrist depending on the day of hte week and phase of the moon) I am not so sure I dig Roberts
[21:16:00] jhoke: poonj: so you get your gdm and autostart all squared away?
[21:17:00] poonj: jhoke, I have to get gdm-autostart
[21:17:00] poonj: its another package
[21:17:00] jhoke: ah, ok
[21:18:00] jhoke: brb, need to log out to try something
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[21:25:00] KungFu: hi
[21:26:00] KungFu: how do I start the frontend?
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[21:28:00] smoke_: i need to change my font, but when i put the fontname in my <fontname> tag it doenst work.. any ideas?
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[21:29:00] Beirdo: pick a different font?
[21:30:00] Krazylegz: smoke_: What are you referring to?
[21:30:00] smoke_: to the theme.xml file
[21:30:00] Krazylegz: Oh.
[21:31:00] Krazylegz: Put your XML in pastebin.
[21:32:00] KungFu: how do I start the frontend, please?
[21:32:00] Beirdo: mythfrontend
[21:32:00] smoke_: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TakrB516.html
[21:32:00] smoke_: interdim is the ttf name
[21:32:00] smoke_: i have it in /usr/share/fonts/TTF
[21:32:00] smoke_: i fc-cache'd ... umm
[21:32:00] smoke_: i havei t in the theme dir too ..:/
[21:33:00] KungFu: command not found !?
[21:34:00] Beirdo: well, you need to have installed it, and have it in your path
[21:34:00] KungFu: mythbackend is up (I think)
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[21:35:00] Krazylegz: I'm actually not sure where Myth gets the fonts from.
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[21:40:00] smoke_: what are the dimensions?
[21:41:00] smoke_: <area>#,#,#,#</area>
[21:41:00] smoke_: what do those 4 numbers represent?
[21:44:00] KungFu: ok – apt-got it
[21:44:00] KungFu: next how to set it up (chanel search?) I have DVB-S
[21:48:00] Beirdo: I'm sure I couldn't say
[21:48:00] Beirdo: the documentation might be a good place to look
[21:52:00] KungFu: this thing is so hard to setup!
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[21:55:00] h3x|01A4: hi, im using the PVR-150 with Hardware MPEG2 encoder.. i have some recording but i want to burn them on a dvd so i can watch them in my dvd player
[21:55:00] h3x|01A4: how do i do this
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[22:00:00] atomjack: anyone know if there's a way to have mythvideo use mythtv's internal player?
[22:02:00] kormoc: yeah, just set the player to internal
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[22:02:00] atomjack: right, i just found it on another google search heh
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[22:04:00] laga: kormoc: to internal, or to Internal, or to 'Internal' or...
[22:06:00] atomjack: Internal
[22:06:00] atomjack: with a capital I
[22:06:00] atomjack: but um, it doesn't like mkv files:(
[22:06:00] laga: atomjack: thank you very much. going to try it soon :)
[22:07:00] atomjack: which is no good because a good portion of my videos are in mkv :((
[22:08:00] laga: what is mkv anyways? ;)
[22:08:00] atomjack: matroska video container
[22:08:00] laga: oh, ok
[22:08:00] atomjack: less overhead than avi, up to 32(i think) audio tracks, up to 32 subtitle tracks
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[22:08:00] atomjack: way superior to ogm or avi
[22:08:00] Goshen: ok, I put my wintv card in and did a lspci and got this...
[22:08:00] Goshen: 05:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 02)
[22:08:00] Goshen: 05:07.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 02)
[22:08:00] Goshen: any idea what kind of card it is?
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[22:10:00] Goshun: heh, wrong button
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[22:12:00] Goshun: neat, I clicked on the mandriva 2006 control pannel and went to set up tv card, and now it is scanning channels and finding them
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[22:14:00] Beirdo: bttv
[22:20:00] laga: haha. the Internal player is way too fast
[22:20:00] atomjack: too fast?
[22:20:00] atomjack: it plays the videos faster than normal?
[22:20:00] laga: right
[22:21:00] atomjack: weird
[22:21:00] atomjack: seemed to play ok for me
[22:21:00] h3x|01A4: hi, im using the PVR-150 with Hardware MPEG2 encoder.. i have some recording but i want to burn them on a dvd so i can watch them in my dvd player
[22:21:00] laga: on my saber rider stuff
[22:21:00] Goshun: What is the difference between cable and cable-hrc?
[22:21:00] laga: works ok for other stuff, gotta be some codec activities
[22:21:00] atomjack: yeah
[22:21:00] laga: oh, stuttery!
[22:21:00] atomjack: i'm recompiling the latest head, hopefully that'll fix the internal mkv issue
[22:21:00] ** atomjack crosses fingers **
[22:21:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, are you around? I was speaking with kormoc about b-frames I guess is what it is and to make it so the video is less pixelized on fastforward... he said "-bf 2 should help your quality if I'm right" would you be able to offer any help on the matter?
[22:21:00] laga: i think i want to go back to mplayer ;)
[22:22:00] h3x|01A4: hi, im using the PVR-150 with Hardware MPEG2 encoder.. i have some recording but i want to burn them on a dvd so i can watch them in my dvd player
[22:22:00] atomjack: mplayer doesn't let you view the summary of the video though
[22:22:00] laga: h3x|01A4: we've read your question.
[22:22:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: not a clue
[22:22:00] h3x|01A4: i know you've read my question
[22:22:00] h3x|01A4: what i dont know is why i'm being ignored
[22:23:00] laga: h3x|01A4: because we dont like you, or because we're busy, or because we don't know, or because you may want to take a look at nuvexport or mythburn or nuv2disc ;)
[22:23:00] tmk: h3x|01A4: you didn't ask a question
[22:23:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, ok thanks
[22:23:00] atomjack: has anyone else tried to play mkv files with the internal mythtv player?
[22:24:00] Beirdo: WTF are mkv?
[22:24:00] atomjack: matroska
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[22:24:00] Beirdo: never heard of it
[22:24:00] atomjack: video container, way superior to avi and ogm
[22:24:00] Beirdo: YAFVF
[22:24:00] sphing: laga: he must have assumed we didnt like him
[22:24:00] tmk: hehe
[22:24:00] tmk: he just made a statement
[22:24:00] tmk: and insisted we answer it
[22:24:00] tmk: then left in a huff
[22:25:00] atomjack: he also he the gayest nickname i've seen in a long time
[22:25:00] laga: idiot, i shouldn't have bothered
[22:25:00] tmk: i wasn't aware we were prejudiced on the basis of sexual preference these days
[22:25:00] Beirdo: I've seen worse
[22:26:00] atomjack: not gay as in homosexual
[22:26:00] smoke_: is there a way to center the <active> image tag?
[22:26:00] atomjack: gay as in just plain stupid and lame
[22:26:00] laga: i thought it was gay as in 'happy'
[22:26:00] atomjack: hehe
[22:27:00] Goshun: What is the difference between cable and cable-hrc?
[22:27:00] Beirdo: atomjack: that's not "gay", that's "fucking dumb"
[22:27:00] Beirdo: :)
[22:27:00] tmk: Goshun: different frequency table
[22:27:00] tmk: hrc isn't used much anymore
[22:27:00] atomjack: Beirdo:same difference in the way i was using the word
[22:27:00] Goshun: comcast is prolly not hrc then/
[22:27:00] tmk: it's just a different mapping of channels to frequencies
[22:27:00] tmk: right
[22:27:00] Goshun: thank you
[22:28:00] Beirdo: except my wording doesn't offend a huge community :) It offends *everyone* :)
[22:28:00] Beirdo: equal opportunity offense :)
[22:28:00] laga: hahaha, that's great ;)
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[22:34:00] root: Wheres the auto-expire options?
[22:37:00] root is now known as Garf`
[22:38:00] Beirdo: root?!
[22:38:00] ** Beirdo slaps Garf` with a trout **
[22:38:00] opello: hey, i'm root on my mythbox, how am i here twice?! :p
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[22:43:00] RobbyBerlin: Hallo
[22:43:00] sphing: hi
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[22:45:00] Garf`: bitchx likes to give your irc username as your user- username....
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[22:46:00] Garf`: but yea... wheres the auto-expire options for recorded shows?
[22:46:00] Garf`: i hope they arn't in mythtv-setup
[22:46:00] ** sphing sends Garf` a cool new game... check it out **
[22:47:00] ** sphing attaches rootkit **
[22:47:00] sphing: ;)
[22:47:00] Garf`: ;)
[22:48:00] Garf`: im on gentoo, so im always using root
[22:48:00] sphing: im on gentoo also... i'm never root
[22:48:00] sphing: (other than my xbox)
[22:48:00] Garf`: how do you emerge stuff then?
[22:48:00] sphing: i su ... emerge... then exit
[22:48:00] Garf`: true...
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[22:57:00] tmk: you could also just add your user to the portage group
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[23:16:00] simon_c_home: At bloody last. IR remote control working and staying working beterrn reboots !!
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[23:49:00] simon_c_home: It's gone very quiet here.
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[23:49:00] simon_c_home: Is there any info describing what the options on the mythfrontend setup pages are in more detail ?
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[23:58:00] Juski: just seen an interesting feature request on the mythtvtalk.com forum... someone would like a script to automatically change the channel when a recording has finished so his wife doesn't realise he's been watching pr0n
[23:58:00] Juski: lol

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