| Friday, September 16th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | pr0bity: | seems to work and it's probably worth not having to figure out how to get another unknown receiver to work with lirc. |
| [00:00:00] | LedHed: | are you handy with an Iron? |
| [00:00:00] | pr0bity: | heh, no ;) |
| [00:00:00] | pr0bity: | don't think I even have one... |
| [00:01:00] | LedHed: | ah, I was gonna say, build your own Serial Homebrew reciever. They are cheap and work great. Plus you choose the IR freq... |
| [00:02:00] | LedHed: | they are easy to build |
| [00:02:00] | pr0bity: | thx but yeah I got enough on my plate building my own htpc/raid 5 1 tb server :| |
| [00:02:00] | pr0bity: | on a os I know nothing about ;) |
| [00:03:00] | LedHed: | I was in your shoes about a year ago.. Same thing Linux RAID 5 1 TB server for myth backend... |
| [00:03:00] | pr0bity: | ayup, using knoppix. |
| [00:03:00] | LedHed: | and I'm a total n00b |
| [00:03:00] | pr0bity: | work out well for you? |
| [00:03:00] | LedHed: | no I went with Fedora.. |
| [00:03:00] | LedHed: | ya worked OK, still have some bugs to work out. |
| [00:04:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, Software or Hardware RAID? |
| [00:04:00] | pr0bity: | hardware, 3ware escalade 4 port. |
| [00:04:00] | LedHed: | sweet. Same here. |
| [00:04:00] | pr0bity: | learned there were lots of fakeraid cards too. |
| [00:04:00] | LedHed: | only 8 port |
| [00:04:00] | LedHed: | 9500 |
| [00:04:00] | pr0bity: | glad I discovered that int he process of picking it out ;) yeah same card. |
| [00:05:00] | pr0bity: | going to run 4 250gb 8mb cache 7200rpm western digitals |
| [00:05:00] | Krazylegz: | If you guys don't mind, how much did you guys end up spending on all of that? |
| [00:05:00] | Krazylegz: | I would love to have a nice fileserver in here. |
| [00:05:00] | pr0bity: | .... well right now my system is over budget at what I'm looking to be around 1500. |
| [00:05:00] | LedHed: | KraMer, depends on the number of drives you want... |
| [00:06:00] | CanadaBoy is now known as CanadaBoy00 | |
| [00:06:00] | pr0bity: | but 300 for the raid card, plus the 4 250gb hard drives... plus the haugpage 500mce.... then the remote and ir receiver. |
| [00:06:00] | pr0bity: | and the case.... silverstone tj06 full tower. |
| [00:06:00] | LedHed: | nice. |
| [00:06:00] | pr0bity: | yeah it will be pretty solid when its done. |
| [00:06:00] | Krazylegz: | Kramer? |
| [00:07:00] | GeckoFiend_ (n=donavan@dialup-4.225.94.159.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [00:07:00] | LedHed: | KraMer, go with 4 250gb drives and a 3ware. Drives can be had for around $120 each. |
| [00:07:00] | pr0bity: | I've got the specs in a hyperlinked spreadsheet if anyone wants a copy. reference or whatever. |
| [00:07:00] | pr0bity: | pricegrabber.com has some nice 250gb western digitals for like 96 (up to 99, 102 now tho). |
| [00:08:00] | Krazylegz: | Who is Kramer? |
| [00:08:00] | pr0bity: | I think you are. |
| [00:08:00] | LedHed: | sorry I typed KR(TAB) and thats what came up... Shortcut |
| [00:09:00] | LedHed: | should have typed kraz(TAB) |
| [00:09:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, haha. |
| [00:09:00] | pr0bity: | weird, if you type kra(tab) it gives him, but kr(tab) gives kramer. |
| [00:09:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, I'd take that spreadsheet, if you don't mind. |
| [00:09:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, what Mobo are you using? |
| [00:09:00] | pr0bity: | wtf? you'd think kra would still give kramer |
| [00:09:00] | pr0bity: | abit nf7-s |
| [00:10:00] | LedHed: | same board here. |
| [00:10:00] | pr0bity: | like the onboard sound? |
| [00:10:00] | LedHed: | you realize that the 9500 is a 64bit card right? |
| [00:11:00] | LedHed: | and the NF7-S only has 32bit slots... |
| [00:11:00] | pr0bity: | ermmmm |
| [00:11:00] | LedHed: | it still works but slower... |
| [00:12:00] | LedHed: | Right now I have very slow RAID performance. Because all the PCI slost are filled and flooding the PCI bus. |
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| [00:12:00] | pr0bity: | hey krazy, can't seem to send to you. |
| [00:13:00] | pr0bity: | and man, I didn't even notice that.... shit |
| [00:13:00] | pr0bity: | could downgrade to the 8500 perhaps... hmmm |
| [00:13:00] | pr0bity: | thx led |
| [00:14:00] | LedHed: | might be a good idea. look for a 32bit card. Stick with 3Ware though... Best linux support for SATA RAID |
| [00:14:00] | dj_segfault: | My last name is Kramer, but I've been in lurk mode for hours. |
| [00:15:00] | pr0bity: | looks like even the 8500 is 64 bit. |
| [00:15:00] | LedHed: | look for a 7000 series |
| [00:16:00] | kormoc: | I'm quite happy with my 7000–2 |
| [00:17:00] | LedHed: | kormoc, is your 7000–2 a 32bit PCI card? |
| [00:17:00] | kormoc: | yup |
| [00:18:00] | LedHed: | thats what I should have got... Oh well. Upgrading to a PCI-X motherboard soon... |
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| [00:19:00] | pr0bity: | now I would still use sata raid cables with this... http://www.3ware.com/products/parallel_ata.asp the 4 port version? |
| [00:19:00] | pr0bity: | I mean its still serial ata right? |
| [00:19:00] | LedHed: | no |
| [00:20:00] | LedHed: | kormoc, is your 7000–2 SATA? |
| [00:20:00] | pr0bity: | ugh, so they're ata... not sata? |
| [00:20:00] | kormoc: | no, it's pata |
| [00:20:00] | LedHed: | ahh, |
| [00:20:00] | pr0bity: | says the interface is IDE (Ultra ATA/DMA-33) |
| [00:20:00] | kormoc: | there are no 32 bit sata controlers made by 3ware |
| [00:20:00] | LedHed: | looks like all the 3Ware SATA stuff is 64bit... |
| [00:21:00] | pr0bity: | whatever that is (first computer I'm building). |
| [00:21:00] | pr0bity: | so your 64bit still works in a 32 bit slot? |
| [00:21:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, looks like you are stuck with a 64bit PCI card. |
| [00:21:00] | kormoc: | ata == pata == Parallel Ata, sata == Serial Ata |
| [00:21:00] | kormoc: | yes, 64 bit cards work in 32 bit slots |
| [00:22:00] | pr0bity: | well maybe i'll check out the an7 motherboard... see if it has 64 bit slots... or the nf7-s2. |
| [00:22:00] | kormoc: | the issue isn't the slot so much as the fact all the pci slots use one channel |
| [00:22:00] | kormoc: | and thus get flooded easly |
| [00:22:00] | kormoc: | most (all?) 64 bit slots have their own channel and thus can handle the bandwidth |
| [00:23:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, you'll have to look in the Server Motherboard Market. There arent any PCI-X( 64bit) desktop Mobo's out there... |
| [00:23:00] | MrSpiffy: | GreyFoxx, would it be possible to ask your friend for his xorg.conf file? |
| [00:23:00] | pr0bity: | bleh, maybe i'll just chance it... besides I won't have that many pci slots eaten up... |
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| [00:24:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, have you tried removing the other pci cards and speed testing your array? |
| [00:24:00] | pr0bity: | pvr card... raid card... burner doesn't go to a pci card does it? |
| [00:24:00] | LedHed: | kormoc, havent had a chance to yet... |
| [00:24:00] | LedHed: | the kids dont like it when I take the backend offline.. ;) |
| [00:25:00] | afrosheen: | what's the secret to actually ejecting optical media when you hit the button |
| [00:25:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, you will get a speed hit for 32 bit, but it won't nearly be as bad as LedHed's (in theory...) |
| [00:25:00] | kormoc: | afrosheen, unmount it first |
| [00:25:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, hehe :) |
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| [00:25:00] | pr0bity: | well I mean even sacrificing speed, the raid 5 will still give me a faster access time and redundancy right? |
| [00:25:00] | afrosheen: | that's stupid, why should you have to unmount something in this day and age |
| [00:25:00] | LedHed: | I hope for his sake it doesnt, but he's looking at using the same components |
| [00:26:00] | pr0bity: | ie 4 250gb's without raid 5 would have a slower access time than a raid 5 array of the same 4 hd's? |
| [00:26:00] | kormoc: | afrosheen, it's just how it is |
| [00:26:00] | afrosheen: | automount should release it when you hit eject anyway unless knoppmyth isn't using it |
| [00:26:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, it will give you redundency. maybe not speed. (in my case anyway) |
| [00:26:00] | pr0bity: | I thought that was what the interleaving did? :| |
| [00:26:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, you might be better with software raid 5, depending on the cpu |
| [00:27:00] | dj_segfault: | afrosheen, it can't unmount if one or more processes has a current directory somewhere on the media. That's usually the problem. So check all your shell sessions and file managers, etc. |
| [00:27:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, in theory, it does give a speed boost, but in practice, LedHed got bit hard. |
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| [00:27:00] | LedHed: | yup |
| [00:27:00] | pr0bity: | ugh, using a 2.13ghz thoroughbred-b athlon xp 2600+ |
| [00:27:00] | LedHed: | that will be plenty if you arent using it for a HDTV frontend |
| [00:27:00] | kormoc: | just as a mythbox or are you gonna be gaming and all that jazz? |
| [00:28:00] | afrosheen: | dj_segfault: if I just insert it and play it as a DVD , when I leave the dvd interface it should let me eject, but won't..executing the 'eject' command as root works but sucks |
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| [00:28:00] | pr0bity: | suppose to be able to be overclocked nicely, but not sure if I will or not, depends if I need it. And no, going to a standard tv, but it will be doin dvd ripping/encoding along with recording two channels at once and serving up music/movies/etc across the lan |
| [00:28:00] | BlkPoohba: | hey all |
| [00:28:00] | LedHed: | kormoc, I'm using the OpenSource drivers. Would that make a difference in my performance? |
| [00:29:00] | BlkPoohba: | i just hooked wintv usb2 up to my laptop but i cannot get it to work. can someone help me please |
| [00:29:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, you see, with LedHed'd pci bus conflicts brings it down to about 5 megs a second or so iirc. |
| [00:29:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, you want to underclock it if its gonna be a backend... |
| [00:29:00] | pr0bity: | its going to be both. |
| [00:29:00] | BlkPoohba: | when i do xawtv i get /dev/video0 no such device |
| [00:29:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, likly not, esp if your using agp videocard |
| [00:29:00] | BlkPoohba: | but i did MAKEDEV video and it is there |
| [00:29:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, or you mean kernel drivers for the 3are? |
| [00:30:00] | dj_segfault: | afrosheen, if you actually exited the DVD player, then yes, it should let you eject. Time to straighten out a paper clip and shove it in the little hole in the front of the drive. Or shutdown. |
| [00:30:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, you'd likly do a lot better with software raid 5 to be honest. |
| [00:30:00] | LedHed: | kormoc, I'm using the 3ware driver that came with Fedora Core 4 |
| [00:30:00] | splat1 is now known as splAt1 | |
| [00:30:00] | kormoc: | dvd's should never be mounted |
| [00:30:00] | LedHed: | for the 3ware |
| [00:30:00] | afrosheen: | dj_segfault: like I said, ssh'ing into it and telling it 'eject' as root works |
| [00:30:00] | pr0bity: | errr wait... there was another hardware raid card running counter to 3ware's megaraid or something.... let me look. kormoc, why that suggestion? I thought the risc processor would signif speed things up? |
| [00:30:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, ahh, 3ware is all opensource drivers, they do the driver for the kernel |
| [00:30:00] | LedHed: | kormoc, what was the command to bench the RAID? |
| [00:31:00] | LedHed: | oh, ok |
| [00:31:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, hdparm -tT /dev/sdaX |
| [00:31:00] | pr0bity: | ok, there are also some lsi megaraid controllers out there.... |
| [00:31:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, it does, when there's no conflicts |
| [00:31:00] | afrosheen: | yeah lsi stuff is usually in dells |
| [00:31:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, I just don't like the LSO's, but ymmv |
| [00:31:00] | LedHed: | Timing cached reads: 1176 MB in 2.00 seconds = 587.21 MB/sec |
| [00:31:00] | LedHed: | Timing buffered disk reads: 192 MB in 3.03 seconds = 63.36 MB/sec |
| [00:32:00] | afrosheen: | that's decent |
| [00:32:00] | LedHed: | sufficient maybe. but not when I go HDTV |
| [00:32:00] | kormoc: | meh, he should be getting mid 90's iirc |
| [00:32:00] | afrosheen: | Timing cached reads: 996 MB in 2.00 seconds = 497.33 MB/sec |
| [00:32:00] | afrosheen: | Timing buffered disk reads: 148 MB in 3.05 seconds = 48.56 MB/sec |
| [00:33:00] | afrosheen: | that's on a udma133 120gb maxtor single drive |
| [00:33:00] | pr0bity: | http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_ . . . erid=2258563 not sure if thats a 64bit or not? |
| [00:33:00] | juski: | afrosheen – that should be more than enough I think |
| [00:33:00] | kormoc: | gah, what type of ram are you guys using? |
| [00:33:00] | afrosheen: | so your test is actually bad :( |
| [00:33:00] | pr0bity: | thats the lsi 4 port sata controller |
| [00:33:00] | afrosheen: | that's terrible then |
| [00:33:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, thats 64bit |
| [00:34:00] | LedHed: | PATA |
| [00:34:00] | afrosheen: | kormoc: yeah my box works ok |
| [00:34:00] | pr0bity: | doh |
| [00:34:00] | pr0bity: | just saw it, |
| [00:34:00] | LedHed: | afrosheen, my bench was for a 7x disk SATA RAID 5 Array. |
| [00:34:00] | pr0bity: | wrong link, try http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_ . . . terid=961593 |
| [00:35:00] | kormoc: | Timing cached reads: 3196 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1597.44 MB/sec |
| [00:35:00] | kormoc: | Timing buffered disk reads: 192 MB in 3.05 seconds = 63.02 MB/sec |
| [00:35:00] | afrosheen: | the cached reads look great there |
| [00:35:00] | kormoc: | 2x 120 gb western digital se raid 0 on a 7000–2 controler |
| [00:35:00] | kormoc: | the cached reads is your system ram speed |
| [00:35:00] | afrosheen: | yeah I have crap pc2100 in my box |
| [00:35:00] | pr0bity: | thats the lsi 4 port I was talking about, sorry for posting the wrong link earlier. |
| [00:36:00] | kormoc: | dual channel ddr 400 |
| [00:36:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, the LSI looks like 64bit also... |
| [00:36:00] | LedHed: | kormoc, my system ram is 512mb DDR400. |
| [00:36:00] | pr0bity: | the 64mb cache? not understanding how you tell the bit rating on the pci. |
| [00:36:00] | afrosheen: | here's the test from the box I'm on right now |
| [00:37:00] | afrosheen: | Timing cached reads: 4600 MB in 2.00 seconds = 2299.20 MB/sec |
| [00:37:00] | afrosheen: | Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.02 seconds = 56.28 MB/sec |
| [00:37:00] | kormoc: | 64-bit/66 MHz PCI bus |
| [00:37:00] | kormoc: | http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/sata_150_4.html |
| [00:37:00] | juski: | haha... my crappy KT133 with ATA66 gets 244.94 MB/sec cached reads... lol |
| [00:37:00] | kormoc: | afrosheen, I get ~61 megs a sec on my wd 320 gig sata drives |
| [00:37:00] | pr0bity: | bloody hell, thanks kormoc. |
| [00:37:00] | LedHed: | damn if the Thiming Cached Reads are the System RAM them my ram sucsk |
| [00:38:00] | afrosheen: | how'd you like my cached reads :) |
| [00:38:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, this is the motherboard I'm looking at getting for the 9500.. http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboar . . . 21/P8SCT.cfm |
| [00:39:00] | LedHed: | the long white PCI slot it the PCI-X (64bit) slot... |
| [00:39:00] | kormoc: | nice :) |
| [00:39:00] | afrosheen: | this is on an athlon64 4000 with a gig of dual channel ddr400 |
| [00:39:00] | LedHed: | nice and pricey.. gonna cost me $400 to upgrade the Mobo, RAM and CPU |
| [00:39:00] | pr0bity: | .... jesus |
| [00:40:00] | afrosheen: | and an 80 gig seagate sata drive with ncq |
| [00:40:00] | juski: | does anyone here know where I can find the code which checks the DB for 'useonairguide' being set before inserting EIT data? |
| [00:40:00] | pr0bity: | so.... what am I looking at if I move to a software raid? and I heard they were unreliable... etc... |
| [00:40:00] | LedHed: | gonna put a 2.8 celleron-D in it |
| [00:40:00] | LedHed: | plenty for a Backend... |
| [00:40:00] | afrosheen: | LedHed: for that money get a dual core 820 chip |
| [00:41:00] | LedHed: | I dont need a dual core chip in a backend... I need 64bit PCI slots.... |
| [00:41:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, actually, they used to be, but they fixed a /ton/ of issues with them over the past bit |
| [00:41:00] | afrosheen: | pr0bity: kernel 2.6 helps alot too |
| [00:41:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, a lot of people feel they are safer now, because disaster recovery is not dependant on extentions by the vendor |
| [00:41:00] | kormoc: | to recover a 3ware array, you need 3ware's help |
| [00:41:00] | kormoc: | for example |
| [00:41:00] | afrosheen: | hey has anyone hacked in new visualizations for mythmusic yet? I want to shove Iris on there, best vis ever. |
| [00:43:00] | pr0bity: | hmmm, alright, well Ideally I'd like to stick with a 2.13ghz processor running my whole raid 5 array and mythtv and doing two recordings at once (not processor dependent...) but also having to transfer large files around the lan.... |
| [00:43:00] | pr0bity: | is that doable? |
| [00:43:00] | pr0bity: | and playing music and stuff while ripping/encoding dvd's.... |
| [00:43:00] | afrosheen: | if you're going software raid you're looking at some processor overhead but maybe not much to bother it |
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| [00:44:00] | kormoc: | software raid 5 runs ~ 20 to 40% of a 2 ghz cpu with intense file usage |
| [00:44:00] | afrosheen: | ouch |
| [00:44:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, that is all doable with or without the 3Ware... |
| [00:44:00] | LedHed: | 20 to 40% Holy Shit Batman! |
| [00:44:00] | pr0bity: | well, really that might not be that bad, seeming as how it would leave me with over 1ghz for the rest of the stuff I need to do... |
| [00:44:00] | kormoc: | as long as you have hardware mpeg encoders and set the niceness of your dvd rippage, it should be fine |
| [00:44:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, on windows, it can be upto 60% |
| [00:44:00] | ** afrosheen faints ** | |
| [00:45:00] | afrosheen: | no wonder people think software raid sucks, the opinion is coming from windows users |
| [00:45:00] | pr0bity: | so where would I find out more about linux/knoppix software raid 5? |
| [00:45:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/o . . . D-HOWTO.html |
| [00:45:00] | pr0bity: | ;) |
| [00:45:00] | LedHed: | kormoc, I run soft RAID on Windows 2k3 server and CPU usage never goes above 15% on a dual P3 750 |
| [00:45:00] | pr0bity: | great minds... |
| [00:46:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, ooh? what style raid? windows created? what mobo chipset? and you sure you are mesuring kernel cpu time? |
| [00:46:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, I wouldnt recommend Soft RAID 5 for a Linux n00b. |
| [00:46:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, it's not that hard actually, if he's careful and reads the docs, it'll work fine, just like lvm :) |
| [00:47:00] | LedHed: | kormoc, RAID 5, 440BX chipset. Ultra160 drives |
| [00:47:00] | LedHed: | CPU usage is is monitored in TaskMan.exe |
| [00:47:00] | kormoc: | intresting, it might be the 2k3 version isn't as sucky as previous then |
| [00:48:00] | LedHed: | not sure if that measures kernel time |
| [00:48:00] | afrosheen: | better drivers & memory handling |
| [00:48:00] | LedHed: | 440BX still Rox!!! |
| [00:48:00] | pr0bity: | well hey, if I drop down to software raid.... I cut out 300 and I'm back to almost being on budget. |
| [00:48:00] | afrosheen: | fileservers and budgets are tough to merge |
| [00:48:00] | pr0bity: | and I'll get a performance boost doing software 5 raid (along with redundancy) than if I just did 4 250gb drives normally? |
| [00:48:00] | kormoc: | yeah :P |
| [00:49:00] | afrosheen: | dump all your money into the backend then use an Xbox frontend, done |
| [00:49:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, in theory, yeah, in practice, hard to say how much of a boost, but redundancy, for sure |
| [00:49:00] | pr0bity: | afro found it was cheaper to just throw everything together |
| [00:49:00] | pr0bity: | originally was going to do a tower server and a slick htpc slim case. |
| [00:50:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, you'll spend $300 of your time trying to get it working. Then get pissed when You screw it up |
| [00:50:00] | afrosheen: | pr0bity: yeah that's the route I took also, put my used gear in a new Shuttle SK43G |
| [00:50:00] | pr0bity: | then got irritated and decided to just throw it all together. |
| [00:50:00] | afrosheen: | after I pained the thing from happy gay silver/turquoise to all flat black I was happy with it |
| [00:50:00] | afrosheen: | s /pained/painted |
| [00:51:00] | pr0bity: | eh, led, this is a project, not really a deadline specific deal. But yeah, definatly don't want to kill myself on it. Planning on throwing knopp myth in, then perhaps setting up this raid 5 tutorial |
| [00:51:00] | pr0bity: | that the right procedure? or do I have to modify the knopp myth stuff first? |
| [00:51:00] | pr0bity: | or can't I use it at all. |
| [00:52:00] | afrosheen: | raid first, knoppmyth later I think |
| [00:53:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, n00b to n00b go with a hardware RAID |
| [00:53:00] | LedHed: | you'll thank me |
| [00:53:00] | afrosheen: | yeah LedHed is 100% right |
| [00:53:00] | afrosheen: | too many advantages to ignore |
| [00:53:00] | LedHed: | too many headaches to ignore |
| [00:54:00] | afrosheen: | get a really nice motherboard with like 8 sata ports :) |
| [00:54:00] | dj_segfault: | Hardware raid for reliability or access speed? |
| [00:54:00] | LedHed: | thats an option if you plan to go SoftRAID |
| [00:54:00] | pr0bity: | both... |
| [00:54:00] | pr0bity: | reliability would trump speed tho I suppose. |
| [00:54:00] | kormoc: | hardware raid for better load adverages. |
| [00:55:00] | pr0bity: | don't want to lose all my stuff with a dead drive |
| [00:55:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, my current Backend is a NF7-S with 4 PVR-250's and the 9500 w/ 7x 160gb drives. It handles 4 Live TV streams fine.. |
| [00:55:00] | dj_segfault: | Can regular 133 keep up with PVR350 hardware encoding and not playing at the same time? |
| [00:55:00] | kormoc: | easily |
| [00:55:00] | LedHed: | dj_segfault, yes |
| [00:56:00] | kormoc: | max is 2.5 gigs a hour? 5? |
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| [00:56:00] | LedHed: | dj_segfault, you could probably do 3 streams easily |
| [00:56:00] | kormoc: | 5 gigs a hour is 1.42 megs a second |
| [00:56:00] | pr0bity: | I guess the question would be would the 300 bucks for a hardware raid 5 card give me a sig performance boost in a 32 bit pci slot vs software raid 5? |
| [00:56:00] | dj_segfault: | Nice. That's what I thought. |
| [00:56:00] | LedHed: | kormoc, that was quick math... |
| [00:56:00] | kormoc: | 133 should do *at least* 40 megs a second |
| [00:56:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, google :) |
| [00:56:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, it will, in theory |
| [00:57:00] | LedHed: | google will convert 5gigs / hr to megs per sec? |
| [00:57:00] | kormoc: | yes |
| [00:57:00] | LedHed: | cool. I found that google now does currency also |
| [00:57:00] | kormoc: | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera& . . . amp;oe=utf-8 |
| [00:58:00] | LedHed: | but you have to know the currency symbol |
| [00:58:00] | kormoc: | symbol? |
| [00:58:00] | pr0bity: | alright, then hardware it is... still over budget. |
| [00:58:00] | pr0bity: | bleh |
| [00:58:00] | kormoc: | 5 USD in CAD works fine |
| [00:58:00] | kormoc: | or 5 USD in euro |
| [00:58:00] | pr0bity: | wonder if the 500mce is 64 bit then too... ugh (goes to check) |
| [00:59:00] | kormoc: | http://www.google.com/help/features.html#currency |
| [00:59:00] | LedHed: | cool, it use to only work with the symboly (USD = $) |
| [01:00:00] | pr0bity: | all it says is it needs a free pci slot. |
| [01:00:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, the happauge win pvr 500 is 32 bit |
| [01:00:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, few PCI devices are 64bit. |
| [01:00:00] | LedHed: | RAID controllers seem to be though |
| [01:01:00] | PatrickDK: | anything that fits in a normal pci slot is 32bit |
| [01:01:00] | kormoc: | 10/100 gbit ethernet controlers tend to be 64 bit |
| [01:01:00] | PatrickDK: | if it's a pci card, that has an extra part on the back, it's 64bit |
| [01:01:00] | kormoc: | PatrickDK, not true, 64 bit cards fit in 32 bit slots |
| [01:01:00] | ** LedHed thinks Google will take over the world some day ** | |
| [01:01:00] | pr0bity: | ok, and my burner seems to be just a IDE (ATA/EIDE/ATAPI) interface... whatever that is. |
| [01:02:00] | kormoc: | yes |
| [01:02:00] | PatrickDK: | without an extra peice on the back? |
| [01:02:00] | ** pr0bity is ordering a lot of stuff oem, so is SOL on cabling... ** | |
| [01:02:00] | kormoc: | PatrickDK, no, it just sits there unused |
| [01:02:00] | PatrickDK: | ya |
| [01:02:00] | pr0bity: | gah. |
| [01:02:00] | PatrickDK: | all my stuff is 64bi, except my pvr cards |
| [01:02:00] | kormoc: | PatrickDK, but it still fits of a sort. |
| [01:02:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, few if any CD-Burners will be SATA |
| [01:03:00] | LedHed: | PatrickDK, for example? |
| [01:03:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, get 80 wire, 40 pin pata/ata cables. |
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| [01:03:00] | LedHed: | not for Burner |
| [01:03:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, I found that using a 80 wire cable for my burner helped it |
| [01:03:00] | PatrickDK: | adaptec S2120 S2130, 3ware cards, gigabit network intel and broadcom |
| [01:04:00] | kormoc: | and they're cheap enough, might as well |
| [01:04:00] | PatrickDK: | fibrechannel cards |
| [01:04:00] | LedHed: | really? I've never seen a performance difference on CD-roms |
| [01:04:00] | LedHed: | only Hard Drives |
| [01:04:00] | pr0bity: | well its a combo.... |
| [01:04:00] | LedHed: | PatrickDK, sounds expensive.... |
| [01:04:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, might just be where they ran was just overly full of interference or something |
| [01:04:00] | pr0bity: | NEC ND-3500A Dual Layer DVD±RW Writer – OEM |
| [01:04:00] | PatrickDK: | probably, but it's damned fast |
| [01:04:00] | LedHed: | You can spread your wealth my way anytime |
| [01:04:00] | PatrickDK: | ledhed, what are you going send back? |
| [01:05:00] | PatrickDK: | I work hard for my wealth |
| [01:05:00] | kormoc: | love and joy? |
| [01:05:00] | pr0bity: | his first born son. |
| [01:05:00] | PatrickDK: | heh, only if he can work :) |
| [01:05:00] | PatrickDK: | I don't do babies |
| [01:05:00] | pr0bity: | heh |
| [01:05:00] | LedHed: | You can have all my kids... |
| [01:05:00] | LedHed: | all 4 of them |
| [01:06:00] | PatrickDK: | heh, I have one now, girl, 7 months |
| [01:06:00] | LedHed: | all 4 of which are Autistic. I could use the break... ;) |
| [01:06:00] | kormoc: | PatrickDK, how bout a thank you note and uhh, a bag of... potato chips? |
| [01:06:00] | ** pr0bity doesn't have any.... that I'm aware of anyway. :p ** | |
| [01:06:00] | LedHed: | lol |
| [01:07:00] | PatrickDK: | god damn, nextel has been crappy since sprint bought them |
| [01:07:00] | LedHed: | same with ATT/Cingular |
| [01:07:00] | PatrickDK: | I haven't been able to make a phone call for the last 40min now |
| [01:09:00] | PatrickDK: | maybe I should setup my voip server |
| [01:09:00] | PatrickDK: | and call out that way |
| [01:09:00] | LedHed: | are 32bit PCI cards 5v or 3.3v? |
| [01:09:00] | PatrickDK: | depends on how they are keyed |
| [01:09:00] | PatrickDK: | they can be both |
| [01:09:00] | PatrickDK: | most are 5v |
| [01:09:00] | PatrickDK: | all 64bit are 3.3v |
| [01:09:00] | LedHed: | not true |
| [01:10:00] | LedHed: | some 64b are 5v |
| [01:10:00] | PatrickDK: | you sure? |
| [01:10:00] | pr0bity: | hey led, what if anything powers the 3ware card? |
| [01:10:00] | pr0bity: | just mobo? |
| [01:10:00] | PatrickDK: | cause they don't make 5v 64bit pci slots |
| [01:10:00] | LedHed: | well there are mobos that have 64b 5v slots |
| [01:10:00] | PatrickDK: | not on any motherboad I have seen in the last 3 or 4 years |
| [01:10:00] | LedHed: | http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderhe.html |
| [01:11:00] | LedHed: | that board is about 4 years old |
| [01:11:00] | kormoc: | http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_X.html |
| [01:11:00] | PatrickDK: | yuk, 33mhz 64bit? |
| [01:11:00] | kormoc: | Power: +3.3v, GND. PCI-X does not support +5v [PCI], and I find no data reagrding +12, -12v [used in PCI] |
| [01:11:00] | PatrickDK: | it must of been all 66mhz was 3.3v |
| [01:11:00] | PatrickDK: | I haven't used a motherboard with 33mhz 64bit |
| [01:11:00] | LedHed: | kormoc, you are a research Maniac.... forget google. go kormoc.com |
| [01:12:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, I've used that site a lot before ;) |
| [01:12:00] | LedHed: | lol |
| [01:12:00] | PatrickDK: | that site doesn't have mini-pci :( |
| [01:12:00] | LedHed: | PatrickDK, you are most likley right. Since PCI-X is only 3.3v. |
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| [01:13:00] | PatrickDK: | it's been awhile, forgot hey made them 64bit 33mhz |
| [01:14:00] | kormoc: | I'm thinking that 33 mhz 64 bit slots are just 32 bit slots extra long that doesn't do anything |
| [01:14:00] | funkyelf: | Whats up guys, I was wondering if there are any issues I need to be aware of before buying a wireless keyboard and expecting it to work in Windows. I'll probably go with logitech...one with a rechargeable mouse as well. |
| [01:14:00] | LedHed: | sounds about right |
| [01:14:00] | funkyelf: | *Linux...not Windows |
| [01:15:00] | funkyelf: | Duh :-p |
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| [01:15:00] | LedHed: | funkyelf, bluetoothe? |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, they all tend to just work well, just bought a bluetooth one and it works fine |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | still working on getting it to work as a bluetooth hub tho... |
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| [01:16:00] | funkyelf: | hrm...what do you get with that? A usb bluetooth reciever? |
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| [01:16:00] | pr0bity: | hey speaking of which, I got a logitech replacement on a cordless desktop combo, they sent me a dinovo media desktop instead, (awesome) anyway the other keyboard combo, the only thing broken was the dongle receiver, is it possible do you know to replace it with a generic receiver? |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, the mouse charging station is a bluetooth hub, mouse and keyboard are both bluetooth devices |
| [01:17:00] | kormoc: | pr0bity, doubtful, maybe you could fine one on ebay from the same model tho? |
| [01:17:00] | funkyelf: | oh, okay...but the hub actually plugs into a ps2 ports of the computer? |
| [01:17:00] | pr0bity: | hmmm, just the dongle? :| Worth a look |
| [01:17:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, usb, and acts like a usb keyboard and a usb mouse |
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| [01:17:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, no extra drivers needed for that |
| [01:18:00] | LedHed: | anyone know off hand if the PVR-250 is 3.3v? |
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| [01:19:00] | funkyelf: | well....i'm about to go throw a spreadsheet together of all the things I'm gonna buy. Hopefully when I'm done with it someone here can look at it and see if I'm getting something wrong. |
| [01:21:00] | funkyelf: | are all logitech ones with rechargeable mice bluetooth? This one says its Laser, but I think that is how the mouse operates... Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 3000 Laser |
| [01:21:00] | dj_segfault: | That's gotta be right. They can't expect line of sight to the base |
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| [01:22:00] | PatrickDK: | it's either bluetooth or just generic rf |
| [01:23:00] | dj_segfault: | I borrowed an old wireless (I think) Logitech keyboard and mouse from someone, plugged it into my USB, and it Just Worked. |
| [01:23:00] | PatrickDK: | that is rf based |
| [01:23:00] | kormoc: | yeah, I had a old (5 years or so) normal rf wireless keyboard/mouse combo, and it just worked quite well |
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| [01:24:00] | tmk: | any reason no to use current CVS of myth? |
| [01:24:00] | LedHed: | anyone here try to Load Balance a MythBackend with 2 NICs? |
| [01:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | LedHed: Why would you bother ? |
| [01:25:00] | LedHed: | More bandwidth |
| [01:25:00] | Agrajag-: | for different frontends? |
| [01:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | Uhhh and how many streams are you trying to push through it ? |
| [01:25:00] | tmk: | perhaps also different backends? :)\ |
| [01:25:00] | LedHed: | looking at 3 or 4 HDTV streams |
| [01:26:00] | afrosheen: | I think you can do that at the kernel level with bonding |
| [01:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | So 27–36G an hour max? I don't see that unreasonable considering how much data I push around my network now |
| [01:27:00] | LedHed: | Maybe it would be better to just multihome the backend and have 2 frontends look at 1 NIC and the other 2 frontends look to the other NIC |
| [01:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | LedHed: problem is that the Ip of the backend comes from the database |
| [01:27:00] | afrosheen: | LedHed: on a gigabit network that might just work |
| [01:27:00] | LedHed: | good point |
| [01:27:00] | Agrajag-: | i guess you can't set it to 0.0.0.0 to listen on all interfaces? |
| [01:27:00] | afrosheen: | yeah why not |
| [01:28:00] | afrosheen: | or have some box running dns, alias both nics |
| [01:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | Agrajag-: It's not about what interface it listens to, that setting is for telling the frontend WHERE the backend is |
| [01:28:00] | tmk: | using dns and having multiple entries |
| [01:28:00] | tmk: | which round-robin |
| [01:28:00] | afrosheen: | exactly |
| [01:28:00] | tmk: | could work well |
| [01:28:00] | Agrajag-: | no i mean to have 2 nics with different ip's on the backend – then set different frontends to go to different ips (which is really the one mythbackend) |
| [01:29:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah that sounds likea good solution too |
| [01:29:00] | tmk: | much easier to use existing, proven technology :) |
| [01:29:00] | dj_segfault: | Just use different /24 and you can set route to do that just fine. |
| [01:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Agrajag-: I don't think it's a per frontend setting |
| [01:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | not in it's current form :) |
| [01:30:00] | Agrajag-: | oh yeah |
| [01:30:00] | Agrajag-: | whoops :P |
| [01:30:00] | dj_segfault: | Just use switches instead of routers |
| [01:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | And I belive(though this might have changed) that it will use hostnames either :) |
| [01:30:00] | tmk: | that it won't use them? |
| [01:31:00] | tmk: | gigcopper would solve a lot of issues too |
| [01:31:00] | Agrajag-: | well if it doesn't do hostnames.. then i guess kernel level bonding is what you need |
| [01:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | I meant it wont use them. |
| [01:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | Personally I'd go for gigabit as your easiest, cheapest option |
| [01:31:00] | afrosheen: | yep |
| [01:31:00] | tmk: | yeah gigabit is the cleanest solution |
| [01:31:00] | afrosheen: | gigabit routers and switches are getting cheap now |
| [01:31:00] | Agrajag-: | how much is a.. say 16 port gig switch? |
| [01:32:00] | Agrajag-: | as in a cheaparse home one |
| [01:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | $20–30CDN for a gig NIC, and $60–80 CDN for a 5 port switch |
| [01:32:00] | LedHed: | GreyFoxx, 27–36G per hour is that what 1 HDTV stream transfers? |
| [01:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | LedHed: No, that's 3 or 4 |
| [01:32:00] | tmk: | $280 |
| [01:32:00] | tmk: | for 16 port |
| [01:32:00] | tmk: | just looked on google real quick |
| [01:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | LedHed: max |
| [01:32:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm that's still a lot more than a 100mbit 16 port switch :) |
| [01:32:00] | afrosheen: | Agrajag-: I found one for $80 |
| [01:32:00] | LedHed: | GreyFoxx, oh.. thats not bad. thats what like 10m per sec |
| [01:32:00] | afrosheen: | US that is |
| [01:32:00] | Agrajag-: | oh that's ok then (as long as it's not too cheap and will bust in month) |
| [01:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | afrosheen: a 16 port? Wow, got a URL ? |
| [01:33:00] | afrosheen: | GreyFoxx: ebay.com |
| [01:33:00] | afrosheen: | ;) |
| [01:33:00] | Agrajag-: | haha |
| [01:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | LedHed: Gigabit is seriously your best bet |
| [01:33:00] | pr0bity: | Krazylegz, sorry for the delay, didn't catch your msg |
| [01:33:00] | tmk: | but if you have a 10/100 switch, you have to make sure that its backplane can handle over 100mbit |
| [01:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | tmk: yeah |
| [01:33:00] | pr0bity: | Krazylegz I can't seem to msg you, but if you you post your e-mail, sure. |
| [01:34:00] | tmk: | foxx: how's myth cvs? |
| [01:34:00] | afrosheen: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Ultra-Fast-Cisco-Linksys- . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [01:34:00] | LedHed: | GreyFoxx, your network Gig-E? |
| [01:34:00] | tmk: | last release seems to have been in may |
| [01:34:00] | pr0bity: | could a registered user perhaps msg krazylegz for me to inform him to send me an e-mail? :| |
| [01:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | tmk: svn now, heh but if you are not a dvb user then it's quite stable |
| [01:35:00] | tmk: | i am not |
| [01:35:00] | tmk: | i'm running 16.x now i think |
| [01:35:00] | tmk: | i have 2 backends |
| [01:35:00] | tmk: | the master crashes a lot |
| [01:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | LedHed: All gig cards, but currently no gig switch. |
| [01:35:00] | LedHed: | GreyFoxx, what chipset your NICs using? |
| [01:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | the gig switch I was suppose to get didn't come through |
| [01:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | LedHed: All intel cards |
| [01:36:00] | PatrickDK: | I have 9 intel gige |
| [01:36:00] | PatrickDK: | 2 broadcom, and 4 netgear |
| [01:36:00] | tmk: | broadcom sucks |
| [01:36:00] | tmk: | :) |
| [01:36:00] | LedHed: | I have 5 Gig-E cards, but they are sucky RealTek cards and dont transfer more than 240kbit |
| [01:36:00] | PatrickDK: | broadcom works alot better than realtek |
| [01:36:00] | tmk: | perhaps.. i only have dealt with intel and broadcom |
| [01:37:00] | afrosheen: | realteks never die though and are always supported, broadcoms are questionable |
| [01:37:00] | dj_segfault: | I thought RealTek used DEC chipset |
| [01:37:00] | ** afrosheen bows to the 8139 ** | |
| [01:37:00] | PatrickDK: | no way |
| [01:37:00] | LedHed: | realtek Gig-E cards are more like 10/100/200 cards |
| [01:37:00] | tmk: | haha |
| [01:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | hm |
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| [01:38:00] | afrosheen: | LedHed: lol |
| [01:38:00] | LedHed: | its true |
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| [01:38:00] | LedHed: | they cant transfer crap |
| [01:38:00] | afrosheen: | yeah I believe you, realteks throughput is nothing to brag about |
| [01:38:00] | afrosheen: | they have alot more overhead than 3coms as well |
| [01:38:00] | LedHed: | but what can I expect from a $12 card |
| [01:38:00] | seme: | hi guys... can anyone tell me what key to hit to import a dvd. It has a selection dialog but I can't figure out how to make it start ripping? |
| [01:39:00] | PatrickDK: | press 0 :) |
| [01:39:00] | PatrickDK: | it says it at the bottom |
| [01:39:00] | afrosheen: | maybe his overscan is messed up |
| [01:39:00] | seme: | ooh |
| [01:39:00] | seme: | I thought that was telling me how many items I selected to have ripped |
| [01:39:00] | seme: | thanks |
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| [01:40:00] | ** PatrickDK wants to kill geeks.com ** | |
| [01:41:00] | PatrickDK: | they have sent me the same video card twice now |
| [01:41:00] | PatrickDK: | when I ordered a low profile one |
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| [01:41:00] | afrosheen: | PatrickDK: ask them if they even stock one |
| [01:42:00] | PatrickDK: | that is what they are going check for me |
| [01:42:00] | PatrickDK: | their websites says they do have alot instock |
| [01:42:00] | PatrickDK: | but they are going physically check, and call me back |
| [01:42:00] | funkyelf: | I'm gonna build a system with a 3.0GHz P4. How much RAM should I get??? I'm going to get a Hauppage 500 dual tuner. |
| [01:42:00] | afrosheen: | or you will go physically check them with a hockey stick |
| [01:42:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: a gig |
| [01:43:00] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [01:43:00] | afrosheen: | dual channel ddr400 is around $80 now |
| [01:43:00] | PatrickDK: | a gig is always good :) |
| [01:43:00] | afrosheen: | get paired sticks |
| [01:43:00] | PatrickDK: | if it's just a backend, you can probably live with 256meg |
| [01:43:00] | PatrickDK: | but well, harddrive cache is always nice |
| [01:43:00] | funkyelf: | ...are there any systems that can handle two PVR 500's to record 4 things at a time? |
| [01:43:00] | afrosheen: | doesn't transcode need more ram than that during commercial flagging and all that |
| [01:44:00] | PatrickDK: | if you transcode, I don't |
| [01:44:00] | funkyelf: | I heard that with the onboard encoders it only loads the CPU at 2% but those disks must be goin crazy |
| [01:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | funkyelf: Not really |
| [01:44:00] | PatrickDK: | fucnkyelf, no the disks don't go crazy |
| [01:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | 4 streams is not that much |
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| [01:44:00] | PatrickDK: | it's only max of like, 4megs a second |
| [01:45:00] | PatrickDK: | drive can handle 40megs a second |
| [01:45:00] | PatrickDK: | depending on the seeking |
| [01:45:00] | funkyelf: | Cool...I'm debating on buying two of the dual tuners right now or just one and adding a 2nd later. |
| [01:45:00] | kormoc: | I'd just do one and add one later |
| [01:45:00] | dj_segfault: | And if the drive is doing nothing else, it can just creep along linear. If you have other things on the drive and it's got to seek around the throughput will get very nondeterministic |
| [01:45:00] | PatrickDK: | depends |
| [01:46:00] | funkyelf: | Would it be a huge pain in the ass to add one later? |
| [01:46:00] | kormoc: | it's messy at times |
| [01:46:00] | PatrickDK: | I am going go withtwo |
| [01:46:00] | PatrickDK: | cause the wife has 4 shows she records at once |
| [01:46:00] | kormoc: | adding one later is eas |
| [01:46:00] | kormoc: | y |
| [01:46:00] | dj_segfault: | I hate having to select the channel with the cable box. I can only do one channel at a time, and I need to use an IR blaster. |
| [01:47:00] | funkyelf: | I'm all pissed off because I don't think that I can record HD. My TV wasn't able to get any HD channels by itself without the cablebox |
| [01:47:00] | afrosheen: | dj_segfault: that's my next project, I have an ir blaster just haven't set it up yet |
| [01:47:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: that's easy, run your output from the cablebox to your video in |
| [01:47:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, comcast? |
| [01:47:00] | funkyelf: | I was going to try getting a TIRA from i dunno where...I'll have to look it up, but it's a USB reciever / transmitter |
| [01:47:00] | funkyelf: | BrightHouse |
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| [01:48:00] | funkyelf: | afrosheen, then it isn't HD anymore |
| [01:48:00] | kormoc: | hrm, I know comcast is required to give out a firewire enabled box that you could just use |
| [01:48:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, sure it is |
| [01:48:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: so the cable box doesn't output hd? |
| [01:48:00] | funkyelf: | afrosheen, i'll be cleaner than the card would be able to get, but its still not HD |
| [01:48:00] | pr0bity: | DONE :P irman will work with the urc-9964 remote simply because it is by nature a universal remote and can then send different signals, simply pick on that works, etc... |
| [01:48:00] | funkyelf: | no, the cable box outputs component, s-video, and composite |
| [01:48:00] | kormoc: | cable -> cable box -> card |
| [01:49:00] | pr0bity: | picked out my ir receiver... so now the spec is freaking done. |
| [01:49:00] | kormoc: | svideo can be hd, no? |
| [01:49:00] | Chutt: | no. |
| [01:49:00] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [01:49:00] | dj_segfault: | funkyelf, I use http://www.redrat.co.uk/start.htm I made him a deal a few years ago where I wrote software to use it under Linux and he sold me one at a discount. |
| [01:49:00] | kormoc: | so the hd is only dvi? |
| [01:49:00] | LedHed: | HD is Component |
| [01:49:00] | LedHed: | or DVI |
| [01:49:00] | LedHed: | HDMI |
| [01:49:00] | Chutt: | or vga |
| [01:50:00] | afrosheen: | anything but svideo and composite then |
| [01:50:00] | kormoc: | svideo just doesn't have the bandwidth to do hd? |
| [01:50:00] | LedHed: | well theres always CoAx |
| [01:50:00] | LedHed: | ;) |
| [01:51:00] | afrosheen: | right, and the comcast box should have coax out to tv |
| [01:51:00] | kslater: | If one takes a PVR-250 .nuv and uses GOPChop to chop out the commercials, should it still be parseable into a DVD format using the method from the HowTo? |
| [01:51:00] | LedHed: | no you cant use CoAx for HD. That was a joke |
| [01:51:00] | kormoc: | afrosheen, he's not comcast |
| [01:51:00] | Chutt: | kormoc, yup. |
| [01:51:00] | afrosheen: | LedHed: why isn't it possible, coax has crazy bandwidth |
| [01:51:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, isn't the line from the cable company coax? :P |
| [01:52:00] | LedHed: | ya, but thats a digital signal |
| [01:52:00] | kormoc: | so in theory, it could be done... |
| [01:52:00] | burly: | what version of ivtv are most Hauppauge PVR-150 users in here using? |
| [01:52:00] | burly: | i have the option of 0.3.6f or 0.3.7 but I am not sure if there is any real advantage/drawback to either version |
| [01:52:00] | LedHed: | anythings possible. but I've never seen a HDTV recieve HD Content via CoAX |
| [01:53:00] | LedHed: | HD is sent through CoAx via Modulation (Analog Waveform) then DeModulated to digital.... |
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| [01:54:00] | LedHed: | true digital over CoAx is limited to 10mbit |
| [01:54:00] | LedHed: | Half Duplex |
| [01:54:00] | afrosheen: | that's strange |
| [01:54:00] | Dibblah: | LedHed: No. |
| [01:55:00] | LedHed: | no what? |
| [01:55:00] | tmk: | 10-base-2 maybe is :) |
| [01:55:00] | Dibblah: | LedHed: You're talking about 10base2. |
| [01:55:00] | LedHed: | RG-6 is what Cable Co's use from pole to house. its Half Duplex |
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| [01:55:00] | Dibblah: | Pardon me, but... Bwahahahahahahahahaha. |
| [01:55:00] | LedHed: | there is only 1 wire |
| [01:56:00] | Dibblah: | LedHed: No. |
| [01:56:00] | LedHed: | explain how you can get full duplex out of 1 wire |
| [01:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's a bloody radio antenna |
| [01:56:00] | Dibblah: | There's only one antenna wire. How come you can receive all of these different channels? |
| [01:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | It can have multiple frequencies at once |
| [01:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | you transmit on aDIFFERENT frequency than you receive |
| [01:56:00] | LedHed: | you can recieve multiple analog channels |
| [01:57:00] | Dibblah: | LedHed: Stop there, please. I'm about to pull a muscle. |
| [01:57:00] | kormoc: | you can trasmit mutiple signals if you can receive multiple signals. |
| [01:57:00] | Dibblah: | I should be nice, but... No. |
| [01:57:00] | kormoc: | no? |
| [01:57:00] | LedHed: | analog yes. |
| [01:57:00] | LedHed: | digital no |
| [01:58:00] | funkyelf: | afrosheen, where were you seein dual channel 400Mhz DDR2 for $80 ? I'm seeing 2Gig kits for $250 (two 1Gb sticks) |
| [01:58:00] | kormoc: | can't you smash a bunch of digital info into one analog channel? |
| [01:58:00] | Dibblah: | LedHed: Read http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/cable-modem.htm |
| [01:58:00] | Dibblah: | LedHed: It's _ALL_ analog. |
| [01:59:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, you don't need dual channel packs to do dual channel, it may be cheaper to buy 2 seperate sticks. |
| [01:59:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: I didn't say ddr2 |
| [01:59:00] | LedHed: | they take a digital signal and modulate it to analog till it gets to your Box then the box DeModulates it back to digital |
| [01:59:00] | ** Dibblah loves howstuffworks :) ** | |
| [01:59:00] | afrosheen: | ddr2 is overrated and slow with the cas latencies |
| [01:59:00] | Dibblah: | LedHed: Yes. Exactly. So it's not "half-duplex" or any such nonsense. |
| [02:00:00] | kormoc: | afrosheen, ddr2 is reaching around the right speeds to be just as fast as ddr is, soon it'll get to the point where it's faster then ddr, even with the higher latencies. |
| [02:00:00] | LedHed: | Dibblah, I was talking about a true Digital Connection over CoAx |
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| [02:00:00] | dj_segfault: | arstechnica had a great article about real-world ddr2 not being worthwhile, but that was a while ago whem many motherboards couldn't really use the extra speed. not sure if that's still true. |
| [02:00:00] | kormoc: | afrosheen, and then we'll have ddr3 to worry bout and ddr4 on our gpus :P |
| [02:00:00] | LedHed: | and we werent talking about a cablemodem either |
| [02:00:00] | funkyelf: | afrosheen, Sorry DDR-400, the 1Gb sticks are all $130 or $140 |
| [02:00:00] | afrosheen: | kormoc: great and you'll still not be able to justify the price :) |
| [02:01:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: you don't want 1gb sticks, you want dual packs of 2 512 sticks |
| [02:01:00] | afrosheen: | that way you get the 128 bit memory path, dual channel |
| [02:01:00] | LedHed: | Dibblah, we were talking about taking a RG-6 CoAx and feeding it directly into a HDTV. |
| [02:01:00] | Dibblah: | LedHed: "True Digital Connection" yeah. Doesn't exist any more. Noone uses it. |
| [02:01:00] | kormoc: | afrosheen, some mobo's only use ddr (nforce 4...) |
| [02:01:00] | dj_segfault: | Really? Most motherboards these days only have 3 or 4 slots for memory, though. |
| [02:01:00] | afrosheen: | kormoc: I know. I have one. |
| [02:01:00] | Dibblah: | LedHed: It's my bedtime. We'll agree to disagree here. |
| [02:01:00] | kormoc: | erm I ment ddr2 |
| [02:02:00] | afrosheen: | kormoc: my nforce4 gigabyte sli board doesn't ask for ddr2 |
| [02:02:00] | LedHed: | no disagreeing, you just didnt understand the conversation |
| [02:02:00] | kormoc: | afrosheen, for the intel pentium d, nforce 4 sli is only in ddr2 |
| [02:02:00] | LedHed: | you put your kose where it didnt belong... |
| [02:02:00] | afrosheen: | when did nvidia start making intel boards |
| [02:02:00] | LedHed: | with nforce4 |
| [02:02:00] | afrosheen: | weird |
| [02:02:00] | afrosheen: | guess I don't pay any attention to intel anymore |
| [02:02:00] | tmk: | ls -ltr |
| [02:02:00] | tmk: | erm |
| [02:03:00] | afrosheen: | I had enough of the frying pan chips with the first p4 |
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| [02:03:00] | dj_segfault: | You don't like Inte; |
| [02:03:00] | kormoc: | afrosheen, http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131536 |
| [02:03:00] | afrosheen: | nope, overpriced, hot, etc. |
| [02:03:00] | dj_segfault: | YOu don't like Intel's plan to save electricity by heating your house with your computer? |
| [02:03:00] | afrosheen: | lol |
| [02:04:00] | afrosheen: | yeah I'm liking the cool 'n quiet on my amd64 |
| [02:05:00] | dj_segfault: | I got a Antec Sonata case a few months ago and was totally blown away with how quiet it is. Good airflow too. |
| [02:05:00] | dj_segfault: | The CD drive bays were too far from the HD drive bays and I needed longer cables though. |
| [02:06:00] | afrosheen: | dj_segfault: hence the use of sata for all hd's now, that problem is gone :) |
| [02:06:00] | LedHed: | night all |
| [02:06:00] | afrosheen: | later LedHed |
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| [02:06:00] | kslater: | so no one using GOPChop much I guess.. |
| [02:07:00] | dj_segfault: | When I speced out my system a few years ago SATA wasn't ready for prime time in Linux yet. Now I understand it's solid, but I don't want to drop money on new drives. |
| [02:07:00] | kormoc: | kslater, you could just use the inernal tools to remove commericals... |
| [02:07:00] | kormoc: | dj_segfault, it's solid. |
| [02:07:00] | afrosheen: | yeah sata has come a long way |
| [02:08:00] | funkyelf: | afrosheen, 4 sticks of 256, or 2 sticks of 512? |
| [02:08:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: 2 of 512, I'll get you a link there champ |
| [02:08:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, you want 1 gig total or 2? |
| [02:08:00] | dj_segfault: | Thanks. I guess USB2.0 is too slow even with PVR350, eh? I think 480Mb/s theoretical |
| [02:08:00] | kormoc: | shouldn't be too slow. no. |
| [02:08:00] | funkyelf: | i dunno yet...does everyone else agree with afrosheen, that getting 4 sticks of 512 is better than 2 x 1Gb sticks? |
| [02:08:00] | kslater: | kormoc: true, but the internal tools don't work with anything that will cut an MPEG2 before processing into DVD format |
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| [02:09:00] | kormoc: | kslater, transcode? |
| [02:09:00] | funkyelf: | afrosheen, I got a link...from corsair to pricegrabber...its qualified to work w/ my mobo I'm plannin on gettin |
| [02:09:00] | dj_segfault: | Depends if you have enough memory slots to hold what you need. If you do, more sticks is definitely better. |
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| [02:09:00] | kslater: | kormoc: transcode will turn it into an MPEG-4, right? |
| [02:09:00] | kormoc: | kslater, if you tell it to |
| [02:09:00] | kormoc: | kslater, transcode will turn almost anything to almost anything |
| [02:09:00] | dj_segfault: | corsair has excellent guarantee |
| [02:09:00] | kormoc: | corsair++ |
| [02:10:00] | afrosheen: | we love geil also |
| [02:10:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, if limited to 1 gb, 4x512 is what I'd get |
| [02:10:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: do you want ddr or ddr2 or what |
| [02:10:00] | kormoc: | erm limited 2 gb |
| [02:10:00] | kslater: | kormoc: what version of myth are we talking about for this feature of trancode? |
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| [02:10:00] | kormoc: | kslater, transcode is a external program. |
| [02:10:00] | kormoc: | kslater, scripts, like nuvexport use it |
| [02:11:00] | afrosheen: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820144324 |
| [02:11:00] | afrosheen: | that's some good stuff there and cheap |
| [02:11:00] | kormoc: | most likly the script to burn a dvd image would use transcode as well |
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| [02:12:00] | kslater: | xris: nuv export doesn't use transcode, right? It uses lve and some other stuff I think.. |
| [02:12:00] | kormoc: | well, it uses ffmpeg or transcode iirc |
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| [02:12:00] | funkyelf: | afrosheen, I got corsair for $90 |
| [02:13:00] | funkyelf: | hrm....why can I only find the Hauppage 500 as a "white box"...and what does that mean? |
| [02:13:00] | afrosheen: | whitebox = oem, no bundled anything |
| [02:13:00] | Chutt: | not in the case of the pvr-500 |
| [02:13:00] | dj_segfault: | No manual, no wrapper with printing on the box |
| [02:14:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: this geil is great ram, we've built countless workstations with it, but if you want corsair, go for it |
| [02:14:00] | Chutt: | the pvr-500 is sold with manual, driver cd, extra connections, etc |
| [02:14:00] | kormoc: | white boxes tend to have manuals and cdroms with drivers and that's bout it, usually |
| [02:14:00] | Chutt: | just no retail box |
| [02:14:00] | funkyelf: | there is no way to get a retail box for it?...i haven't seen any sites that have it that aren's white box |
| [02:14:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, retail store? |
| [02:15:00] | mchou: | nope. 500 is by definition not retail |
| [02:15:00] | afrosheen: | yep, it's for oem's to build pvr set tops with or mce boxen |
| [02:16:00] | afrosheen: | hence no retail packaging available |
| [02:16:00] | funkyelf: | there is good Myth Support for the 500? I don't like how motherboards all come with 5 PCI slots and you can only really use 2 or 3. Thats why I'm trying to conserve space...plus I know eventually I'll add another card |
| [02:16:00] | tmk: | myth should support the 500 just like a 250 or 150 |
| [02:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | funkyelf: Myth doesn't care about it. the concern is the ivtv dirvers |
| [02:16:00] | tmk: | driver is the same |
| [02:17:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: my mythbox has one agp slot and one pci slot, works a treat and takes up a whole 1 foot by 2 foot area :) |
| [02:17:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, you can use all the pci slots on a mobo if all the hardware you put in plays nice with each other. |
| [02:17:00] | xris: | kslater: nuvexport --ffmpeg, nuvexport --transcode |
| [02:17:00] | funkyelf: | I'm gonna get the antec Overature case. They're only $50 from them right now...they're doin a clearance |
| [02:17:00] | xris: | the mpeg2cut function uses neither... instead uses avidemux2 and lvemux to do its dirty work |
| [02:17:00] | afrosheen: | link? |
| [02:17:00] | tmk: | mythplugins are all frontend based right? |
| [02:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | tmk: Yeah |
| [02:18:00] | tmk: | thanks |
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| [02:18:00] | afrosheen: | tmk: yeah they're all display related for the most part |
| [02:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | funkyelf: be warned. They are not very good for airflow and get warm |
| [02:18:00] | tmk: | cool, i have 2 backends and a few frontends |
| [02:18:00] | tmk: | just wanted to make sure i didn't have to compile the plugins everywhere |
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| [02:19:00] | snerfu: | funkyelf, where can you get the overture for 50 bucks? I bought mine 2 years ago for 140. |
| [02:19:00] | afrosheen: | the silverstone cases are beautiful but way too big |
| [02:20:00] | funkyelf: | http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15728 |
| [02:20:00] | snerfu: | Thats true funkyelf GreyFoxx is rright about that. My overture heats up bad. |
| [02:20:00] | snerfu: | But it is beatiful, that piano black. |
| [02:20:00] | funkyelf: | actually...i don't see the link anymore on antec's site under their clearance, they muse be out |
| [02:20:00] | afrosheen: | man that thing begs to have the drives stealthed |
| [02:21:00] | funkyelf: | Stealthed? |
| [02:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | snerfu: Yeah. I've used 1 of each version and they are pretty, but get REALLY warm |
| [02:21:00] | afrosheen: | hidden from view behind some panel |
| [02:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | in fact of all the gear I've bought for my media network they are the only part I regret picking |
| [02:21:00] | afrosheen: | alot of the SFF pc's are doing that now with the cdroms and whatnot, hide behind a flip down panel |
| [02:21:00] | funkyelf: | what is a good case then? If I plan on putting two dual capture cards and 2 big hard drives? |
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| [02:22:00] | funkyelf: | I was at pcalchemy and didn't care for any of their cases |
| [02:22:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | silverstone lc-13 is kinda nice, especially if you want to put into a (well ventilated) audio rack. |
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| [02:22:00] | afrosheen: | http://www.silentpcreview.com/article183-page1.html |
| [02:23:00] | afrosheen: | pretty...pretty expensive too |
| [02:23:00] | dj_segfault: | The Sonata comes in the piano black too, and doesn't have heat problems |
| [02:23:00] | snerfu: | I need kind of a really cheap prebuilt pc I can add drives and more memory too. I am using my overture as my main desktop, with mythtv on it. I want to get a stand alone machine to do the mythtv stuff. I was thinking about one of those 200 dollar walmart pc's |
| [02:23:00] | dj_segfault: | They use 120mm fans for more airflow with less noise |
| [02:24:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | there's also the option of putting backend into big ugly well-cooled box somewhere and having small quiet minimally-fanned frontend in living room. |
| [02:24:00] | dj_segfault: | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.as . . . ody&c=BB |
| [02:24:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | assuming you have antenna access someplace you can put the backend |
| [02:24:00] | afrosheen: | ip_goat_rodeo: yeah, gut an old Nintendo and put a microatx box inside it |
| [02:25:00] | funkyelf: | wow, that case looks like it gets pretty tight in there |
| [02:25:00] | afrosheen: | you should see my Shuttle sk43g lol |
| [02:25:00] | afrosheen: | a mosquito couldn't fly through it |
| [02:25:00] | snerfu: | I never thought about using a mini itx for this, I think I might try that. |
| [02:25:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | having no antenna access in my wiring closet makes a separate front/backend system impossible for me though. |
| [02:26:00] | afrosheen: | ip_goat_rodeo: if you have a wiring closet just drop cat5 to the living room |
| [02:26:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | I have cat5 everywhere |
| [02:26:00] | afrosheen: | yeah I have done a few drops myself |
| [02:26:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | new house so I was able to get the wiring done the way I wanted |
| [02:27:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | fatal problem is antenna drops only to TV locations |
| [02:27:00] | afrosheen: | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . ku=S451-3055 that's what my mythbox is built from |
| [02:27:00] | tmk: | running cable is the only way to go |
| [02:27:00] | afrosheen: | I had to paint the thing flat black |
| [02:27:00] | tmk: | my mythbox is an old cd player |
| [02:28:00] | afrosheen: | haha |
| [02:28:00] | tmk: | the stereo kind |
| [02:28:00] | tmk: | i just cut i tup |
| [02:28:00] | afrosheen: | nice |
| [02:28:00] | afrosheen: | so it still fits, did you hack the VFD on the front too |
| [02:28:00] | tmk: | i'm going to |
| [02:28:00] | funkyelf: | Hrm, wow...that LC04 will only allow two cards...1 AGP / 1 PCI ? |
| [02:29:00] | tmk: | well, probably not vfd |
| [02:29:00] | tmk: | probably backlit LCD |
| [02:29:00] | tmk: | but we'll see |
| [02:29:00] | afrosheen: | tmk: I'd like to get a vfd that fits into the front of that shuttle, have it display song names etc. |
| [02:29:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | I'm going with silverstone lc-13 case, ath64 x2 3800, asus mobo, cheapass fx5200 video, Haupauge 350+500 |
| [02:29:00] | afrosheen: | ip_goat_rodeo: good choices |
| [02:29:00] | afrosheen: | is the fx5200 fanless? |
| [02:29:00] | tmk: | if i disable v4l support will that break ivtv support? |
| [02:30:00] | dj_segfault: | I was wondering about the 350. Everyone seems to talk about the 250 not the 350, but the video out has gotta be a major advantage (don't know if myth can use the FM tuner). |
| [02:30:00] | tmk: | i have a 350 |
| [02:30:00] | tmk: | i can't tell the diff. between tv and mythtv |
| [02:30:00] | afrosheen: | I have a 250, for whatever reason it washes images out compared to the tv like it's overly bright |
| [02:30:00] | funkyelf: | yeah...i was lookin at the LC13 and i don't have to turn my cards sideways and it's the cheapest one from that manufacturer |
| [02:30:00] | tmk: | afrosheen: you can tune brightness/etc |
| [02:30:00] | afrosheen: | then again it's outputting through my nvidia fx5900le so who knows what it is, probably some nvidia settings |
| [02:31:00] | tmk: | yeah |
| [02:31:00] | tmk: | the tv-out of the 350 rules |
| [02:31:00] | afrosheen: | still gotta pick the right overscan also |
| [02:31:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: the link I posted was what, the 14? |
| [02:31:00] | afrosheen: | oh the 04 |
| [02:32:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | yes, fanless, probably this one – http://www.kuroutoshikou.com/products/gboard/gfx5200-a128cl.html |
| [02:32:00] | afrosheen: | tmk: should I try to play with the xv settings or the nvidia-settings dialog for the gamma |
| [02:32:00] | tmk: | erm |
| [02:32:00] | funkyelf: | It seems like everyone goes with teh 5200 fanless. I was thinking about getting a more powerful one and dual-booting into Windows for some games...but I dunno |
| [02:33:00] | tmk: | i meant on the 250 |
| [02:33:00] | tmk: | the capture settings |
| [02:33:00] | afrosheen: | tmk: oh snap, didn't think to look there yet |
| [02:33:00] | afrosheen: | thought it was the nvidia's problem |
| [02:33:00] | tmk: | it probably is |
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| [02:33:00] | tmk: | i don't have a nvidia though |
| [02:34:00] | afrosheen: | it'll be hard to pin down unless I watch a video on my pc then on the tv, see which one is brighter |
| [02:34:00] | tmk: | so i only know about the 350 |
| [02:34:00] | afrosheen: | gotcha |
| [02:34:00] | funkyelf: | afrosheen, you like the 14? All those buttons seem they'd be something I'd never get to work, or if I did get them to work I wouldn't ever use them |
| [02:34:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | Hopefully should have last of the parts for new mythbox this weekend. |
| [02:34:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: I like the 04 actually |
| [02:34:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | Was waiting until after I got back from vacation to actually work on it |
| [02:35:00] | afrosheen: | ip_goat_rodeo: ha, yeah I bought my pvr250 back in february and just got around to building the rest of it |
| [02:38:00] | funkyelf: | Hrm...power supplies. I've always liked antec ever since I had a PC catch of fire from a shitty 350 watt PS that came with a $50 case |
| [02:41:00] | funkyelf: | quiet all of a sudden or did my ISP just crap out on me |
| [02:41:00] | dj_segfault: | 3 minutes of silence |
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| [02:41:00] | funkyelf: | heh |
| [02:42:00] | funkyelf: | so with 2 PVR 500's and two huge disk drives and a p4 3.0Ghz, do I need a 450? 550? |
| [02:44:00] | funkyelf: | Phantom 500 operates completely silently until its internal temperature reaches a user selected temperature, whereupon the fan turns on to balance high power performance with quiet computing. |
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| [02:44:00] | funkyelf: | I wonder how you select the temperature |
| [02:44:00] | ** GreyFoxx starts looking at cases again and starts drooling over stuff he doesn't REALLY need ** | |
| [02:44:00] | funkyelf: | GreyFoxx, feel free to /msg me links of cases you like |
| [02:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1279.html |
| [02:45:00] | snerfu: | afrosheen, are you using the onboard video for mythtv in that shuttle case? |
| [02:45:00] | tmk: | funkyelf: i bet with windows task bar software |
| [02:45:00] | tmk: | :) |
| [02:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | I like the look, the VFD placement and the buttons I could map to my playback controls |
| [02:45:00] | tmk: | seems like that should be pretty easy to script |
| [02:45:00] | funkyelf: | tmk, thats exactly what I was thinking....and you run linux and your shit starts on fire |
| [02:46:00] | tmk: | assuming that you can figure out how to turn fans on and off inlinux |
| [02:46:00] | tmk: | should be cake to script that |
| [02:46:00] | dj_segfault: | APCI |
| [02:46:00] | tmk: | yeah i figured it was one of the standard interfaces |
| [02:49:00] | funkyelf: | I think I'm gonna get that Phantom power supply from Antec |
| [02:50:00] | funkyelf: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?i . . . 20-%20Retail |
| [02:50:00] | afrosheen: | snerfu: nope, it blows, never did work right, hence my nvidia card in it instead |
| [02:51:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: that's the fanless one right? |
| [02:51:00] | funkyelf: | afrosheen, no it has fans but they only come on when they need to |
| [02:51:00] | funkyelf: | I select the temperature with a 3 way switch |
| [02:51:00] | afrosheen: | alot of power supplies come with temp headers on them now |
| [02:52:00] | dj_segfault: | I bought an Enermax with variable fan, and the fan never changed speed. |
| [02:52:00] | dj_segfault: | I don't know if the problem was the temperature sensor or the fan itself. |
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| [02:53:00] | afrosheen: | let the motherboard manage it |
| [02:53:00] | funkyelf: | okay...I think I have my entire system on Newegg with the exception of my HDDs |
| [02:53:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: with the hdds are you going for capacity or speed |
| [02:53:00] | funkyelf: | capacity |
| [02:53:00] | funkyelf: | seems there is Serial ATA150 and SATA 3.0Gb/s |
| [02:53:00] | afrosheen: | dj_segfault: I've been happy with my Allied cheapo power supply after my antec killed itself |
| [02:53:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: yeah there's sataI and sataII, watch out for what your mobo supports |
| [02:54:00] | ** funkyelf looks up the P4P800-E Deluxe ** | |
| [02:55:00] | funkyelf: | hrm...SATA Raid? |
| [02:55:00] | afrosheen: | looks like regular sata1 to me |
| [02:55:00] | dj_segfault: | Good to know. I'm moving most of the guts of my existing server into the new Antec case. Maybe I should keep a spare PS on hand. OTOH, I'm in Boston, and could buy another one within an hour up to 10pm |
| [02:55:00] | funkyelf: | nah, its only 0 or 1...i'd wanna do RAID 5 or something |
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| [02:56:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: there are 2 specs for sata, sata150 which is considered sata1, and sata300 which is sata2 |
| [02:56:00] | afrosheen: | raid is separate |
| [02:57:00] | funkyelf: | yeah, my mobo supports SATA Raid |
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| [02:57:00] | mchou: | dj_segfault: enermax fans dont change speed by all that much |
| [02:58:00] | funkyelf: | wow...300Gb for $125, but 400Gb is $235 I think I found the price break |
| [02:58:00] | mchou: | dj_segfault: but I love enermax fans. Quiet |
| [02:58:00] | afrosheen: | get a pair of the 300's, a no brainer |
| [02:58:00] | funkyelf: | I'll get a couple of 300Gb's. 600 shouldn't be too bad. I plan on re-encoding to divx or somethin later on anyway |
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| [02:59:00] | BoBotheClown: | hello everyone |
| [02:59:00] | BoBotheClown: | need help with my pvr-350 tv out |
| [02:59:00] | BoBotheClown: | any gurus? |
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| [02:59:00] | tmk: | <-- |
| [03:00:00] | BoBotheClown: | I can dd video out to dev16 |
| [03:00:00] | tmk: | k |
| [03:00:00] | BoBotheClown: | but mythtv wont play recordings or live tv |
| [03:00:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: xvid but yeah, that'll work |
| [03:00:00] | tmk: | do you have it set to use the pvr-350 tv-out |
| [03:00:00] | tmk: | there's a checkbox |
| [03:00:00] | tmk: | in myth settings |
| [03:00:00] | BoBotheClown: | /dev/video16 |
| [03:00:00] | afrosheen: | yep |
| [03:00:00] | funkyelf: | Features: SATA II features -NCQ [Native Command Queuing] ... but this is listed as a Serial ATA150 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144359 |
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| [03:01:00] | BoBotheClown: | I think that is how its supposed to go right? |
| [03:01:00] | tmk: | is the box checked? |
| [03:01:00] | BoBotheClown: | to use the tv out feature? yes |
| [03:01:00] | tmk: | video in should still be video0 or video1 or whatever |
| [03:01:00] | tmk: | and out should be video16 |
| [03:01:00] | BoBotheClown: | it is |
| [03:01:00] | tmk: | ok |
| [03:01:00] | BoBotheClown: | it even shows tuner 1 on the screen |
| [03:01:00] | tmk: | k |
| [03:02:00] | BoBotheClown: | you know when you first turn it on |
| [03:02:00] | tmk: | right |
| [03:02:00] | tmk: | so the OSD is working |
| [03:02:00] | tmk: | but no video is shown |
| [03:02:00] | BoBotheClown: | just a black screen |
| [03:02:00] | tmk: | did you check permissions on /dev/video16 |
| [03:02:00] | BoBotheClown: | 777 |
| [03:02:00] | tmk: | ok |
| [03:02:00] | tmk: | and does myth have any interesting logs |
| [03:02:00] | afrosheen: | funkyelf: strange, my sata drive is the same way, uses the sata2 ncq feature but it's a sata1 drive |
| [03:02:00] | BoBotheClown: | I cant seem to get it logging |
| [03:02:00] | BoBotheClown: | at least not through the interface? |
| [03:02:00] | tmk: | mythfrontend -V all |
| [03:02:00] | tmk: | i think |
| [03:03:00] | BoBotheClown: | standby |
| [03:03:00] | BoBotheClown: | I will try that |
| [03:03:00] | tmk: | tuner 1 might not be the right input |
| [03:03:00] | afrosheen: | mine is tuner0 |
| [03:03:00] | afrosheen: | on my 250 |
| [03:03:00] | tmk: | have you tried hitting 'c' a couple of times |
| [03:03:00] | tmk: | i don't recall a tuner 1 setting in fact |
| [03:03:00] | ** afrosheen thinks ** | |
| [03:04:00] | tmk: | (though it has been some time since i worked on it) |
| [03:04:00] | snerfu: | Anyone use a SATA raptor? I am not sure what to think of western digital, after alot of dead drives. |
| [03:04:00] | afrosheen: | wd blows for the most part, don't trust them anymore |
| [03:04:00] | ** tmk wrote the initial revs of ivtv ** | |
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| [03:04:00] | afrosheen: | the raptors might be okay but I'll take storage over speed any day |
| [03:05:00] | tmk: | i take silence over either |
| [03:06:00] | afrosheen: | I can't justify paying upwards of $100 for a measly 36 gigs also |
| [03:06:00] | snerfu: | I had that same problem with my pvr 250 when i first tried myth tv. I had to restart mythbackend and rerun mythfilldb |
| [03:06:00] | snerfu: | where it just went to tuner 1 |
| [03:07:00] | snerfu: | oh I had to reconfigure the backend too before the mythfilldb |
| [03:07:00] | snerfu: | I had killed it somehow, but it was still running, or limping along. |
| [03:07:00] | afrosheen: | yeah when stuff like this happens just rerun the mythtv setup and wipe all your settings when prompted |
| [03:08:00] | BoBotheClown: | tmk |
| [03:08:00] | BoBotheClown: | Using the PVR-350 decoder/TV-out |
| [03:08:00] | BoBotheClown: | 2005-09–15 21:08:57.914 Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded |
| [03:08:00] | BoBotheClown: | 2005-09–15 21:08:57.914 Realtime priority would require SUID as root. |
| [03:08:00] | BoBotheClown: | Writing to videodev: Invalid argument |
| [03:08:00] | afrosheen: | something is borked there |
| [03:08:00] | BoBotheClown: | these are the errors when trying to watch a prerecorded video |
| [03:08:00] | afrosheen: | well I gotta run gang, ttyl |
| [03:08:00] | snerfu: | Have a good one. |
| [03:09:00] | afrosheen: | word |
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| [03:10:00] | tmk: | BoBotheClown: type dmesg |
| [03:10:00] | tmk: | see what the kernel says |
| [03:11:00] | Ryushin1: | Well, I've removed the myth deb packages and now I'm compiling the cvs version of myth. Hopefully atsc qam scanning will work better in this version. |
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| [03:11:00] | funkyelf: | it seems that NQC is only supported by mobos that support it otherwise you see no gain |
| [03:12:00] | BoBotheClown: | I dont really get good info from it since it is full of ivtv buffer messages |
| [03:12:00] | tmk: | what sort of them |
| [03:12:00] | tmk: | msg me |
| [03:12:00] | BoBotheClown: | k |
| [03:12:00] | tmk: | also what rev of ivtv |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | ivtv: DMA DEC Buffers: |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | 0x3bad0000:0x0141fb00:0x80010000 |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | ivtv: DMA ENC Buffers: |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | 0x000e1ec0:0x3b710000:0x80004000 |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | 0x0017aec0:0x3b704000:0x80004000 |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | 0x0015d6c0:0x3c2c4000:0x80004000 |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | 0x001106c0:0x3bc00000:0x80004000 |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | 0x001266c0:0x3cca4000:0x00004000 |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | 0x0012a6c0:0x3cca8000:0x80004000 |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | 0x00150ec0:0x3d120000:0x80004000 |
| [03:13:00] | tmk: | that's not a /msg ;) |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | 0x000f9700:0x136c0000:0x00004000 |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | ivtv: ENC: REG_DMAXFER wait failed |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | ivtv: DMA Registers State: xfer: 0x00000000, state: 0x00000003 dec_addr: 0x364e800c enc_addr: 0x36940060 control: 0x00 |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | I googled it but got nothing |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | oops |
| [03:13:00] | BoBotheClown: | :-) |
| [03:13:00] | de-v: | guess the nick fits ;) |
| [03:13:00] | ** de-v ducks ** | |
| [03:13:00] | tmk: | heh |
| [03:14:00] | tmk: | what rev of ivtv do you have? |
| [03:15:00] | BoBotheClown: | maybe 3.3k |
| [03:15:00] | BoBotheClown: | checking |
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| [03:15:00] | BoBotheClown: | yup |
| [03:15:00] | tmk: | BoBotheClown: and these recordings are only using the pvr card right |
| [03:15:00] | tmk: | you don't have any other capture cards? |
| [03:15:00] | BoBotheClown: | no |
| [03:16:00] | tmk: | no to which part? |
| [03:16:00] | BoBotheClown: | no other capture cards |
| [03:16:00] | tmk: | k |
| [03:16:00] | BoBotheClown: | I made the recordings using myth |
| [03:16:00] | tmk: | k |
| [03:16:00] | tmk: | can you can dd the .nuv files to ivtv ok |
| [03:16:00] | tmk: | ? |
| [03:16:00] | BoBotheClown: | yes |
| [03:17:00] | tmk: | does your /var/log/messages have the kernel logs in it? |
| [03:17:00] | BoBotheClown: | yup |
| [03:17:00] | tmk: | and these buffer messages are current? |
| [03:17:00] | tmk: | ie you can tail -f /var/log/messages |
| [03:17:00] | tmk: | and try to watch something |
| [03:17:00] | tmk: | and it's ok? |
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| [03:18:00] | BoBotheClown: | as soon as I start any type of capture the logs go nuta |
| [03:18:00] | BoBotheClown: | nuts even |
| [03:19:00] | tmk: | and what's your debug levle |
| [03:19:00] | BoBotheClown: | not claimed in modprobe |
| [03:19:00] | BoBotheClown: | just happening |
| [03:19:00] | tmk: | hmm |
| [03:19:00] | tmk: | try checking with ivtvctrl |
| [03:19:00] | tmk: | (you have to make in ivtv utils if you haven't compiled it) |
| [03:20:00] | BoBotheClown: | I compiled it |
| [03:20:00] | BoBotheClown: | I dont know which param iss controlling logging though |
| [03:20:00] | tmk: | ivtvctrl -D |
| [03:21:00] | snerfu: | I accidently invented bourbon nachos. |
| [03:21:00] | tmk: | that will tell you your debug level |
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| [03:21:00] | BoBotheClown: | debug level: IVTV_DEBUG_ERR |
| [03:21:00] | BoBotheClown: | it was -e |
| [03:21:00] | BoBotheClown: | -D sets it on mine |
| [03:22:00] | tmk: | ah i have old old version |
| [03:22:00] | tmk: | ok |
| [03:22:00] | tmk: | i think the version you have has some nazi logging in it |
| [03:22:00] | tmk: | maybe upgrade |
| [03:22:00] | BoBotheClown: | should be easy this time |
| [03:22:00] | BoBotheClown: | I have done it like 800 times now |
| [03:22:00] | de-v: | you said you're useing 3.3k... that must be bleeding edge because i just upgraded to 0.2.0-rc3k a couple of weeks ago |
| [03:23:00] | BoBotheClown: | ;-) |
| [03:23:00] | BoBotheClown: | thx |
| [03:23:00] | tmk: | 3.x is the dev train of ivtv |
| [03:23:00] | BoBotheClown: | ya |
| [03:23:00] | tmk: | 2.x is supposedly stable |
| [03:23:00] | BoBotheClown: | I thought it might be risky |
| [03:23:00] | BoBotheClown: | but I was having trouble with the older iones |
| [03:23:00] | tmk: | i run 3.8 :) |
| [03:23:00] | BoBotheClown: | de-v |
| [03:23:00] | tmk: | 3.8o i think |
| [03:24:00] | de-v: | tmk: any significant advantages to going with the ivtv 3.x branch? |
| [03:24:00] | de-v: | like 12x performance? hehe |
| [03:24:00] | tmk: | the xdriver mostly |
| [03:24:00] | tmk: | they've gotten xv working |
| [03:25:00] | tmk: | so if you have the cpu to playback dvd's in software, it should be much smoother |
| [03:25:00] | de-v: | for like 350's? |
| [03:25:00] | tmk: | yeah |
| [03:25:00] | tmk: | only for 350s |
| [03:25:00] | BoBotheClown: | tmk do you get the debug messages in your release? |
| [03:25:00] | tmk: | there's also some ongoing VBI stuff |
| [03:25:00] | tmk: | nope |
| [03:25:00] | de-v: | i should look into getting a 350 for the next quasi-backend |
| [03:25:00] | de-v: | though i guess my next will need to be hd |
| [03:25:00] | tmk: | you mean frontend/ |
| [03:25:00] | de-v: | nah, another backened, but not the main backend |
| [03:25:00] | tmk: | 350 is sort of silly for backend |
| [03:25:00] | de-v: | heh |
| [03:25:00] | tmk: | since a 350 is a 250 with a radio and tv-out |
| [03:26:00] | tmk: | and 150 is a cheaper 250 with a radio |
| [03:26:00] | BoBotheClown: | thank you |
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| [03:26:00] | de-v: | i have 1 main backend, with big drives, noisy, in the computer room, but i have 1 little backend in bedroom, smaller drive, smaller case, but has a tuner for extra show recordings |
| [03:26:00] | tmk: | though i still haven't plugged my 150 in |
| [03:26:00] | de-v: | my girlfriend records way too much tv, but we have no hdtvs so there's a bunch of 250's scattered around the place heh |
| [03:26:00] | Ryushin: | As anyone gotten a HD-3000 card to sucessfully scan using myth over cable using qam? |
| [03:27:00] | de-v: | im pretty sure my next tv will be hd so i need to look into that, i watch the conversation for hd stuff and take little notes :D |
| [03:27:00] | tmk: | i'm limited by cpu :) |
| [03:27:00] | tmk: | that's why i have the 250/350's |
| [03:27:00] | tmk: | i have a back-room backend |
| [03:27:00] | tmk: | which has a little drive |
| [03:27:00] | tmk: | and a front-room front/backend |
| [03:27:00] | tmk: | which has a big quiet drive |
| [03:27:00] | tmk: | though i have a drive for the backend |
| [03:28:00] | tmk: | the back-room one does NFS to the front-room one |
| [03:28:00] | tmk: | for media storage |
| [03:28:00] | funkyelf: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133158 ... what do you guys think of this case? |
| [03:28:00] | de-v: | nice, any hd in there? |
| [03:29:00] | de-v: | 2.2ghz min for frontends, heh, crazy |
| [03:29:00] | tmk: | nope i have an old tv |
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| [03:29:00] | tmk: | 2x pvr 250's, and 1x pvr350 which also controlls my digital cable box |
| [03:29:00] | Ryushin: | funkyelf: Well if you like it. I bought this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811163055 |
| [03:29:00] | de-v: | i get scared thinking about hd, because the way things get recorded in my house, id need 1tb min for 9gig/hour heh |
| [03:29:00] | tmk: | so 4 inputs/3 tuners |
| [03:30:00] | tmk: | hah |
| [03:30:00] | tmk: | well we've got a few shows that we watch, and we add new ones rarely |
| [03:30:00] | tmk: | so during fall there's not much recording |
| [03:30:00] | snerfu: | 16 bucks for shipping funkyelf? |
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| [03:31:00] | funkyelf: | Ryushin, that one doesn't have anything cut on the top to vent CPU |
| [03:31:00] | Ryushin: | Doesn't need it. Don't want it. I put my receiver on top of my case. It has excellent ventalation. |
| [03:32:00] | funkyelf: | yeah...there was one guy bitchin about ventilation on the thermaltake, but then someone else said it was better than his desktop |
| [03:33:00] | Ryushin: | It has two 80 mm fans in the rear which are virtually silent with your ear really close to them. You can also add two 80/92's in the front. |
| [03:33:00] | Ryushin: | Holds 6 drives, and two 5 1/2 external slots. Ready for BlueRay (year right). |
| [03:33:00] | Ryushin: | 5 1/4. |
| [03:34:00] | Ryushin: | My case if completely cool. Not warm in the slightest. Heck, the fan in my Samsung DLP makes more noice than my htpc. |
| [03:34:00] | funkyelf: | don't get me started talkin about rainbows and DLP's now ;-) |
| [03:34:00] | de-v: | did you compile i2c support in your kernel for sensors? |
| [03:35:00] | funkyelf: | man that thermaltake tenor looks so sweet tho |
| [03:35:00] | funkyelf: | how do you figure it can hold 6 drives? |
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| [03:36:00] | Ryushin: | Because it has six 3 1/2 internal drive mounts. |
| [03:37:00] | Ryushin: | The two front fans sit in front of the drives. |
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| [03:49:00] | rjune: | Mythmusic will burn audio CDs right? |
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| [03:58:00] | funkyelf: | well...I want opinions http://68.204.165.215/eric/newegg.jpg |
| [04:00:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, make a wishlist with it in it and link that :) |
| [04:01:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, I tend to stay away from eVGA cards, I had one, it was super fuzzy, their top end cards tend to be high quality, their low end cards tend to be low quality |
| [04:02:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, as for the power supply, I'd recommend a pc power and cooling one, a little more costly, but way way higher quality |
| [04:02:00] | funkyelf: | more costly than the one I already picked? |
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| [04:03:00] | kormoc: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817703001 |
| [04:04:00] | kormoc: | if you want /top/ end... |
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| [04:04:00] | kormoc: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817703002 |
| [04:06:00] | jemarcks: | xris, howdy |
| [04:06:00] | ** xris pokes kormoc ** | |
| [04:06:00] | jemarcks: | xris, ffmpeg gets 7.5 fps on my old duron box :P |
| [04:07:00] | kormoc: | hello mr. minion boss. |
| [04:07:00] | funkyelf: | wow...i try to make a wishlist and to save it I have to log in. I try logging in several times and now when I had my password e-mailed to me, it says I've tried logging in too many times |
| [04:07:00] | xris: | jemarcks: that's like saying "this orange is tasty" |
| [04:08:00] | jemarcks: | xris, just saying its damn slow |
| [04:08:00] | xris: | my 2.4G p4 gets 6fps |
| [04:08:00] | xris: | it also gets 400fps |
| [04:08:00] | jemarcks: | hmm... you must have different settings |
| [04:08:00] | jemarcks: | yep |
| [04:08:00] | jemarcks: | is your 2.4G smp? |
| [04:09:00] | xris: | it's useless to say that without also saying what your input and output resolutions are, which codec you're encoding to, whether or not you're using denoise, deinterlace, crop, etc. |
| [04:09:00] | xris: | no |
| [04:09:00] | mchou: | xris: I think your instructor testified on the Roberts confirmation hearing |
| [04:09:00] | jemarcks: | really? |
| [04:09:00] | xris: | 6fps for 720x480 mpeg2 to 624x44 xvid with denoise |
| [04:09:00] | xris: | mchou: ? |
| [04:10:00] | mchou: | xris: susan thistlewaite |
| [04:10:00] | funkyelf: | https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList . . . ric%27s+HTPC |
| [04:10:00] | jemarcks: | xris, i didnt allow denoise but the rest sounds the same |
| [04:10:00] | mchou: | xris: was she your instructor? |
| [04:10:00] | xris: | mchou: not mine |
| [04:10:00] | mchou: | xris: ok, mistaken identity then |
| [04:10:00] | xris: | I studied anthropology... hardly the types to testify before congress about a judge |
| [04:11:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, Your wish list Detail is empty. |
| [04:11:00] | xris: | jemarcks: I also use transcode because it's better at xvid (imho) than ffmpeg |
| [04:11:00] | jemarcks: | mchou, howdy... long time |
| [04:11:00] | mchou: | xris: she is the president of the Chicago Theological Seminary |
| [04:11:00] | mchou: | hi jemarcks |
| [04:11:00] | xris: | mchou: totally different school |
| [04:11:00] | mchou: | xris: She is one sharp cookie |
| [04:12:00] | xris: | R or D? |
| [04:12:00] | mchou: | against Roberts |
| [04:12:00] | xris: | that'd be D, then. heh |
| [04:12:00] | jemarcks: | heh |
| [04:12:00] | xris: | might be my *dad*'s instructor (he got his D.Min from somewhere there)... |
| [04:12:00] | mchou: | no, she is not very old |
| [04:12:00] | xris: | if it's the same one, campus is literally across the street from uchicago |
| [04:12:00] | jemarcks: | is she hot? |
| [04:12:00] | jemarcks: | :P |
| [04:12:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [04:12:00] | xris: | mchou: my dad got his D.Min like 5 years ago |
| [04:13:00] | mchou: | She put a Southern Senator in his place...... |
| [04:13:00] | mchou: | impressive |
| [04:13:00] | jemarcks: | cool |
| [04:14:00] | jemarcks: | sorry i missed it |
| [04:14:00] | mchou: | The senator asked her how she felt about "under god" in the pledge of allegiance...... |
| [04:14:00] | jemarcks: | and? |
| [04:14:00] | mchou: | She replied: "God doesn't need your help" |
| [04:14:00] | jemarcks: | i know how my 16 year old son feels about that topic! |
| [04:14:00] | jemarcks: | heh |
| [04:15:00] | xris: | mchou: hahaha |
| [04:15:00] | ** xris kicks faac ** | |
| [04:15:00] | funkyelf: | kormoc, what do you have against the PS i chose |
| [04:15:00] | jemarcks: | im on her side |
| [04:15:00] | mchou: | and that same senator, slightly taken aback, asked her how she felt about the office of the Congressional Champlain...... |
| [04:16:00] | jemarcks: | good question |
| [04:16:00] | mchou: | and she replied "Are you asking me if I think you need spiritual guidance?" |
| [04:16:00] | kormoc: | funkyelf, I had a antec true blue die killing a mobo after a few months... |
| [04:16:00] | jemarcks: | haha |
| [04:16:00] | jemarcks: | what did he say? |
| [04:17:00] | mchou: | the floor burst out laughing |
| [04:17:00] | jemarcks: | i bet they all did too |
| [04:17:00] | xris: | kormoc: they're still good power supplies |
| [04:17:00] | mchou: | i.e. no more response from spanked senator |
| [04:17:00] | jemarcks: | hehe |
| [04:17:00] | kormoc: | xris, sure, but if you're gonna spend the money on a high end supply, imho, pc power and cooling is the way to go |
| [04:18:00] | xris: | ah |
| [04:21:00] | burly: | any idea how to compile LIRC to support multiple different remote drivers? |
| [04:22:00] | burly: | --with-driver=type1,type2 or two --with-driver entries or will --with-driver=any be the only option or ...? |
| [04:22:00] | burly: | two --with-driver entries seems to just use the last one defined, which makes sense |
| [04:22:00] | jemarcks: | xris, do you use a ir blaster to change channels on a set top box? |
| [04:22:00] | xris: | yup |
| [04:23:00] | jemarcks: | i want to set that up. I have timewarner cable with a SA box |
| [04:23:00] | xris: | it's not that hard |
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| [04:24:00] | jemarcks: | yeah, i started looking into it but havnt had the time to do it yet |
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| [04:24:00] | jemarcks: | i have a pvr150 wiht the remote and its ir xcvr/blaster combo cable. what are you using? |
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| [05:17:00] | guitar256: | When trying to watch live Tv I get a blank screen and RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read(). What is going on here? |
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| [05:41:00] | redfox: | is ivtv what I want to use for a pvr-150? most of the documentation seems to be for the 250/350 |
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| [05:41:00] | tmk: | redfox: yes |
| [05:41:00] | tmk: | you'll need a 3.x ivtv |
| [05:42:00] | Giff: | Hello all – I know I'm going to get nailed for not being able to find this online, but I've been searching around non-stop. Is there a central database where I can find out the IR codes for a specific cable box? |
| [05:42:00] | redfox: | tmk, I have ivtv-0.2.0_rc3-r5 in gentoo |
| [05:42:00] | tmk: | you'll need something newer |
| [05:42:00] | redfox: | ok, I think I need to upgrade the firmware on my pvr150 also |
| [05:42:00] | redfox: | that is what dmesg is telling me |
| [05:42:00] | tmk: | ivtv will recommend a version |
| [05:42:00] | tmk: | yeah |
| [05:43:00] | Giff: | Redfox: I just got PVR150 working with IVTV 0.3.7a. Go for that version. |
| [05:44:00] | redfox: | Giff, ok I'll give that a whirl, thanks |
| [05:44:00] | redfox: | did you have to upgrade the firmware Giff? |
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| [05:44:00] | Giff: | Redfox: A great resource for using the remote and IR blaster for cable/sat boxes is at: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=19 |
| [05:44:00] | tmk: | redfox: you don't HAVE to upgrade |
| [05:44:00] | tmk: | it should work |
| [05:44:00] | tmk: | but there may be some bugs with the current firmware |
| [05:44:00] | redfox: | Giff, thanks but I don't have the IR version of the pvr-150 |
| [05:45:00] | redfox: | ok thanks tmk |
| [05:55:00] | redfox: | hey Giff, I'm not seeing a 0.3.7a |
| [05:55:00] | redfox: | sourceforge shows the newest is 0.3.3 |
| [05:55:00] | tmk: | www.ivtv.tv i think |
| [05:55:00] | tmk: | yeah that's the link |
| [05:56:00] | redfox: | oh hrm |
| [05:56:00] | redfox: | wonder why sourceforge is so far behind... |
| [05:56:00] | tmk: | too much trouble to update it |
| [05:56:00] | tmk: | chris (current developer) doesn't use it so much |
| [05:57:00] | redfox: | ah ok sounds good |
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| [06:04:00] | redfox: | whoa video capture works |
| [06:04:00] | redfox: | thanks for the help guys |
| [06:05:00] | PatrickDK: | 0.3.8 is out |
| [06:05:00] | redfox: | I used 0.3.9... |
| [06:06:00] | PatrickDK: | heh, that came out tonigt |
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| [06:12:00] | T`: | guys... is there a way to ask mythtv to disable xscreensaver when playing video? |
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| [06:12:00] | T`: | my gmplayer already does this.. but mythtv doesnt.. |
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| [06:30:00] | qfx: | Hello hello.... hoping someone can help me get my capture card working.... anyone around? |
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| [06:30:00] | qfx: | hi sphing |
| [06:30:00] | sphing: | hello |
| [06:30:00] | qfx: | are you any good with getting capture cards to work? :) |
| [06:31:00] | sphing: | what card? |
| [06:31:00] | qfx: | PVR 150MCE |
| [06:31:00] | qfx: | Hauppauge |
| [06:31:00] | PatrickDK: | hmm, I wish I could get my pvr-350 and v4l cards to work at the same tim |
| [06:31:00] | PatrickDK: | time |
| [06:31:00] | qfx: | I'd be happy with the one |
| [06:31:00] | PatrickDK: | pvr150 is easy |
| [06:31:00] | qfx: | Really? |
| [06:31:00] | PatrickDK: | just install ivtv drivers |
| [06:31:00] | sphing: | qfx... normally i'd help you |
| [06:32:00] | PatrickDK: | 0.3.8 or 9 |
| [06:32:00] | PatrickDK: | I would |
| [06:32:00] | sphing: | but i'm in a hotel room and have to be awake in 6 hours |
| [06:32:00] | PatrickDK: | there are lots of documents on how to do so |
| [06:32:00] | qfx: | I haven't had much luck... Like no luck, and I've beat my head against every Faq, guide and website, but can't get anything approaching a TV station |
| [06:32:00] | qfx: | I can get static, and static that alternates with blackness. and blackness |
| [06:32:00] | PatrickDK: | are you using the lastest firmware? |
| [06:33:00] | qfx: | Care to point one out Patrick? I've gone through Wilsons Fedora Myth site, it's actually pretty damn good |
| [06:33:00] | qfx: | yup. Latest firmware downloaded from their website (opposed to on the disc it came with) |
| [06:33:00] | sphing: | qfx make sure you use the correct firm |
| [06:34:00] | sphing: | took me likw 2 months to realize i was using the wrong firmware onmy 250 |
| [06:34:00] | T`: | guys... is there a way to ask mythtv to disable xscreensaver when playing video? |
| [06:34:00] | qfx: | HcwFalcn.rom |
| [06:34:00] | PatrickDK: | t`, ya in xorg.conf or x86free.conf |
| [06:34:00] | qfx: | The firmware was in the zip I downloaded from the site. :( |
| [06:35:00] | T`: | PatrickDK, i dont' want it disabled permanently... only when mythtv is playing |
| [06:35:00] | sphing: | T` yes... in the setup |
| [06:35:00] | qfx: | Should I try the stuff off of the CD? I was also wondering if changing the tuner=47 setting might help, and if so, how I can do it |
| [06:36:00] | T`: | sphery, mythtv-setup? |
| [06:36:00] | T`: | u sure? i looked around there |
| [06:36:00] | PatrickDK: | http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=FirmwareVersions |
| [06:36:00] | PatrickDK: | that is a nice list, but for te 250/350 |
| [06:37:00] | sphing: | T` i'm fairly certain... not in mythtv-setup but in the frontend setup |
| [06:38:00] | qfx: | I just registered for ivtv webpage. |
| [06:39:00] | T`: | sphing, aah... ok i'll check.. thx :) |
| [06:40:00] | PatrickDK: | I wouldn't set tuner to anyting |
| [06:40:00] | PatrickDK: | ivtv autodetects that pretty good |
| [06:40:00] | qfx: | how do I make it auto detect then? |
| [06:40:00] | PatrickDK: | and I'm pretty sure 150 uses tuner 56 for ntsc |
| [06:40:00] | PatrickDK: | don't define anything |
| [06:41:00] | PatrickDK: | I pass ivtv no options |
| [06:41:00] | PatrickDK: | it does it all correctly |
| [06:41:00] | PatrickDK: | this is what dmesg is for |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | I might have executed 'modprobe ivtv tuner=47' at some point. Where is ivtv options passed? in modprobe.conf right? |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | Here's my ivtv output in dmesg |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | ivtv: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted. |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | ivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ==================== |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | ivtv: version 0.3.7 (k) loading |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | ivtv: Linux version: 2.6.12–1.1447_FC4 686 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-4.0 |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | ivtv: In case of problems please include the debug info |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | ivtv: between the START INIT IVTV and END INIT IVTV lines when |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | ivtv: mailing the ivtv-devel mailinglist. |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | ivtv: Autodetected WinTV PVR 150 card (iTVC16 based) |
| [06:41:00] | sphing: | no |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | ivtv: Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 64 (was 32) |
| [06:41:00] | qfx: | ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=tveeprom[50], addr=50] |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | tuner: chip found at addr 0xc2 i2c-bus ivtv i2c driver #0 |
| [06:42:00] | sphing: | go to #flood |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=(tuner unset), addr=61] |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=cx25840[50], addr=44] |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=wm8775[50], addr=1b] |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv: Encoder revision: 0x02040024 |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv warning: Encoder Firmware can be buggy, use version 0x02040011!!!! |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv: Create DMA encoder MPEG stream: 0 x 32768 buffers (0KB total) |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv: Create DMA encoder YUV stream: 0 x 10800 buffers (0KB total) |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv: Create DMA encoder VBI stream: 0 x 17472 buffers (0KB total) |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv: Create DMA encoder PCM audio stream: 0 x 4608 buffers (0KB total) |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv: Create encoder radio stream |
| [06:42:00] | NightBird: | ... |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | tuner: type set to 47 (LG NTSC (TAPE series)) by ivtv i2c driver #0 |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #0 |
| [06:42:00] | sphing: | STOP |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | ivtv: ==================== END INIT IVTV ==================== |
| [06:42:00] | sphing: | die |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | sorry |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | what's that? Just somewhere to post blocks like that? |
| [06:42:00] | sphing: | yes |
| [06:42:00] | qfx: | I'm pretty new to this kind of thing. Although I've been a linux "user" for a few years |
| [06:42:00] | PatrickDK: | hmm, pastebin.ca |
| [06:43:00] | qfx: | http://pastebin.ca/23060 |
| [06:43:00] | qfx: | nice site |
| [06:44:00] | PatrickDK: | it seems to be autodetecting ok |
| [06:44:00] | PatrickDK: | I would check your firmware |
| [06:44:00] | PatrickDK: | and then maybe try different ivtv versions |
| [06:44:00] | qfx: | I'm using 0.3.7 |
| [06:44:00] | qfx: | I got it from atrpms |
| [06:46:00] | qfx: | How hard would it be for me to compile 0.3.9 (I think is the most recent?) from source. I have no idea if I have all the dependancies etc |
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| [06:46:00] | qfx: | PatrickDK thanks for helping |
| [06:46:00] | sphing: | qfx: you need to get yourself a tutorial |
| [06:47:00] | qfx: | sphing yah.... I do |
| [06:47:00] | sphing: | alright i'm going to sleep i need a nap |
| [06:47:00] | qfx: | sphing thanks for helping too |
| [06:49:00] | sphing: | yea man i can help more |
| [06:49:00] | sphing: | when i'm home |
| [06:50:00] | qfx: | thanks sphing, I'll watch for you |
| [06:50:00] | qfx: | have a good trip |
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| [07:41:00] | funkyelf: | anyone awake? |
| [07:44:00] | thechris: | syn/ack |
| [07:47:00] | funkyelf: | do you use lirc? |
| [07:48:00] | twisted_one: | lirc.. bah |
| [07:48:00] | twisted_one: | no |
| [07:50:00] | holycow: | what is the name of the /dev mixer device for alsa? |
| [07:50:00] | funkyelf: | http://www.lirc.org/ir-audio.html |
| [07:51:00] | thechris: | holycow: you shouldn't need to specify that. |
| [07:51:00] | thechris: | or maybe its ALSA:default |
| [07:51:00] | holycow: | thechris, ya thats for video. well i tested everything my sound works fine on the system /dev/dsp works, etc. but myth does not decode sound for some reason |
| [07:52:00] | holycow: | so i gotta try alsa i guess, i'm running out of ideas |
| [07:52:00] | thechris: | does it give you a warning |
| [07:53:00] | holycow: | nope, no warning at all |
| [07:53:00] | thechris: | ivtv? |
| [07:53:00] | holycow: | i havent seen any warnings in logs or when starting frontend from cli |
| [07:53:00] | holycow: | is there a way to test? |
| [07:54:00] | thechris: | mythtv should tell you if you can't output sound |
| [07:54:00] | thechris: | it always does for me |
| [07:55:00] | thechris: | my advice = use the ptune.pl scripts (or equivilent) to test from the command line |
| [07:56:00] | holycow: | its the weirdest thing |
| [07:56:00] | holycow: | video plays but no sound |
| [07:56:00] | thechris: | from the CLI? |
| [07:56:00] | thechris: | not myth? |
| [07:57:00] | holycow: | either actually |
| [07:57:00] | holycow: | i can cat /dev/video to mplayer if i want |
| [07:57:00] | holycow: | or myth |
| [07:57:00] | holycow: | i'm skipping through channels in myth righ tnow |
| [07:57:00] | thechris: | can you cat to a file, then play the file |
| [07:57:00] | holycow: | i can play mp3's |
| [07:57:00] | holycow: | i can cat an mp3 to /dev/dsp fine |
| [07:58:00] | thechris: | or set mplayer to use alsa's driver |
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| [07:58:00] | thechris: | i'm betting this is an ivtv issue |
| [07:58:00] | thechris: | or tv-tuner issue |
| [07:59:00] | holycow: | well setting mplayer to alsa drivers really wont resolve the issue i think, thats just for playback of stored video |
| [07:59:00] | holycow: | i recorded 5 minutes of ashow and there is no sound if i use a regular player |
| [07:59:00] | holycow: | it must be a tv tuner issue like you said ... its just not grabbing audio |
| [07:59:00] | holycow: | oh i know |
| [07:59:00] | holycow: | i will try import saved video into cinelerra to see if there is an audio track attached |
| [07:59:00] | holycow: | :) |
| [08:00:00] | thechris: | what tv-tuner do you have? |
| [08:00:00] | holycow: | pvr 250 |
| [08:00:00] | thechris: | what ivtv version? |
| [08:01:00] | holycow: | 0.2.0-rc3k |
| [08:01:00] | thechris: | are you sure you're using the msp3400.ko from ivtv and not kernel.org? |
| [08:02:00] | holycow: | i deleted the old msp3400 file, and copied over the drivers i compiles and make installed to my kernel modules dir |
| [08:02:00] | holycow: | here are the instructions i used: |
| [08:02:00] | holycow: | http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/19/29/ |
| [08:03:00] | holycow: | i downloaded the firmware too and did ivtvfwextract.pl on it too, and it put some bin files in my kernel modules dir |
| [08:05:00] | thechris: | seems correct. |
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| [08:06:00] | thechris: | there seem to be audio issues with ivtv. i got a few emails about it on the mailing list |
| [08:06:00] | ridd1er: | hey xris i just wanted to pop in and let you know that your perl app plus myisamchk -r on *.MYI files in mythconverg worked for the pixelating issue.. but only for new recordings. |
| [08:06:00] | ** rpete wonders what someone would pay for a pvr250 ** | |
| [08:07:00] | Krazylegz: | $5! |
| [08:07:00] | Krazylegz: | Gimmie gimme. |
| [08:07:00] | rpete: | sold! |
| [08:07:00] | rpete: | plus $75 shipping |
| [08:07:00] | Krazylegz: | Ouch. :-) |
| [08:07:00] | ridd1er: | cause some people like myself rpete choose to use DB-15 (SVGA) out instead of svideo |
| [08:08:00] | ridd1er: | so no need for a 350.. |
| [08:08:00] | xris: | ridd1er: weird |
| [08:08:00] | Krazylegz: | I have a 350 that I don't use the tv-out on. |
| [08:08:00] | holycow: | thechris, i've seen some mention on this as well |
| [08:08:00] | ridd1er: | well then basically thats a 250 ;-) |
| [08:08:00] | holycow: | thechris, as well something about pvr250 having audio difficulties |
| [08:09:00] | Krazylegz: | I get the nicer remote. |
| [08:09:00] | ridd1er: | true. |
| [08:09:00] | holycow: | i think i will buy the dedicated linux capture card, i forget what its called |
| [08:09:00] | Krazylegz: | I bought the 350 thinking that I would use the tv-out. |
| [08:09:00] | ridd1er: | hey anyone know if we can use the LxM themes? |
| [08:11:00] | xris: | holycow: pchdtv or air2pc |
| [08:11:00] | xris: | ridd1er: "we"? |
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| [08:11:00] | ridd1er: | we meaning mythtv users ;-) |
| [08:11:00] | xris: | you can if you subscribe. |
| [08:11:00] | xris: | otherwise, no.. and whoever gave them to you is in violation of the user agreement. |
| [08:11:00] | ridd1er: | ahh thought they were downloadable |
| [08:11:00] | holycow: | i think the pchdtv was the one |
| [08:12:00] | xris: | no. they're one of the things you get for subscribing. |
| [08:12:00] | ridd1er: | ahh gotcha. |
| [08:12:00] | xris: | they're cool themes, but are still somewhat incomplete. |
| [08:12:00] | ridd1er: | well shoot. |
| [08:12:00] | ridd1er: | maybe i should take a stab at making a theme |
| [08:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Do it! |
| [08:13:00] | Krazylegz: | What's your angle? |
| [08:13:00] | xris: | I think LxM has been having some financial trouble or something. they've been slower than expected to release updates, and I know that gecko isn't entirely happy with his job arrangements. |
| [08:13:00] | Krazylegz: | Has he been in here lately? |
| [08:13:00] | ridd1er: | well.. i just want something that looks a little splashier and more organized.. not to mention has more hooks for modifying font size |
| [08:14:00] | ridd1er: | i use Iulius and it seems to be the best in my opinion for look/functionality |
| [08:14:00] | ridd1er: | anyone know if there is a doc/template to build on for themes/ |
| [08:16:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: who? |
| [08:16:00] | xris: | ridd1er: I think there are links at mythtv.info |
| [08:17:00] | xris: | the xml files for the LxM themes is open source, though. |
| [08:17:00] | xris: | you could take theirs and come up with new images. |
| [08:17:00] | xris: | although I'd personally take the default theme to start with.. |
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| [08:22:00] | Krazylegz: | xris: Gecko(fiend)? |
| [08:22:00] | ridd1er: | thats what i was planninig on xris.. taking a default theme and maybe moving somethings.. like preview screen on recordings.. etc.. |
| [08:23:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: yes |
| [08:23:00] | Krazylegz: | xris: Yes. |
| [08:24:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: he's here now |
| [08:24:00] | Krazylegz: | Where? |
| [08:26:00] | ** xris points at _GeckoFiend ** | |
| [08:26:00] | Krazylegz: | That's cheating, with the _. |
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| [08:27:00] | xris: | heh |
| [08:27:00] | simcop2387: | riddle me this, riddle me that... |
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| [08:32:00] | ridd1er: | :-) |
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| [08:32:00] | ridd1er: | well found a theme editor that uses gimp for graphics.. i think i am going to get started.. will pop in later.. |
| [08:32:00] | ridd1er: | thanks again xris for all the help |
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| [08:41:00] | holycow: | when i do modinfo msp3400 i get this --> http://pastebin.com/365283 |
| [08:41:00] | holycow: | would that indicate i am using the ivtv msp compiled module? |
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| [08:42:00] | Krazylegz: | Looks good to me. |
| [08:43:00] | holycow: | then i haveto conclude the pvr 250 is fuxored |
| [08:43:00] | holycow: | heh |
| [08:44:00] | Krazylegz: | $5! |
| [08:54:00] | holycow: | YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! |
| [08:55:00] | holycow: | i have sounddddddd~!!!! |
| [08:55:00] | holycow: | rofl |
| [08:55:00] | holycow: | mofo |
| [08:55:00] | Krazylegz: | Working, or sold? |
| [08:55:00] | Krazylegz: | Haha. |
| [08:55:00] | Krazylegz: | Congratulations. |
| [08:55:00] | holycow: | it turned out to be modules that were interfering |
| [08:55:00] | holycow: | had to delete the old ones |
| [08:55:00] | holycow: | http://www.cs.rit.edu/~css8044/?q=ivtv <-- as found on this page |
| [08:55:00] | holycow: | dayumn! |
| [08:56:00] | holycow: | thx all for the help dudes :) |
| [08:56:00] | holycow: | rofl |
| [08:57:00] | Krazylegz: | Whoa. That's my alma mater. :-) |
| [08:57:00] | Krazylegz: | Dang, who the hell was css8044.... |
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| [09:00:00] | holycow: | aaaayyynd sound is gone again |
| [09:00:00] | holycow: | damnit! |
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| [09:01:00] | Krazylegz: | Congratulations again. :-) |
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| [09:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Chris Scholz. Hmm. |
| [09:12:00] | Krazylegz: | I don't know the name.....but he has mail. |
| [09:13:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: |
| [09:13:00] | xris: | ? |
| [09:14:00] | Krazylegz: | Yes? |
| [09:14:00] | xris: | what about mail? |
| [09:14:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, Chris Scholz is the author of the link that holycow pointed to. |
| [09:15:00] | Krazylegz: | I was somewhat surprised to see a link to someone from my old department. |
| [09:15:00] | xris: | ah |
| [09:16:00] | xris: | ok, I really need to sleep now.... |
| [09:16:00] | Krazylegz: | You and me both. |
| [09:16:00] | xris: | got a cool script to convert ogg/mp3 to aac, though |
| [09:16:00] | Krazylegz: | It's only 12:15 there... |
| [09:16:00] | xris: | yeah |
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| [09:32:00] | ** holycow waves ** | |
| [09:32:00] | holycow: | hey :) |
| [09:32:00] | holycow: | i have made more progress, i was wondering if someone might comment |
| [09:32:00] | holycow: | if i rmmod ivtv then modprobe ivtv, i get sound on whatever the default channel is when you start up myth frontend |
| [09:32:00] | holycow: | but |
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| [09:33:00] | holycow: | the moment i change a channel, the sound goes away and the image gets a little grainy |
| [09:33:00] | holycow: | i can repeat this result so it almost seems like bad firmware/drivers? |
| [09:33:00] | holycow: | anyone hear of this before? |
| [09:34:00] | mchou: | nope. |
| [09:34:00] | mchou: | but your theory could be correct |
| [09:34:00] | mchou: | doesnt hurt to try another driver |
| [09:34:00] | mchou: | too |
| [09:35:00] | holycow: | another driver? |
| [09:35:00] | holycow: | ivtv driver for pvr250 you mean? |
| [09:35:00] | mchou: | another version of ivtv |
| [09:35:00] | holycow: | *hmmm* |
| [09:38:00] | thechris: | mchou: hey, i fixed my pvr issues... turns out at boot i was re-loading ivtv (intentional) to get the settings correct. but i forgot to restart the backend when doing this |
| [09:39:00] | holycow: | whats the command for restarting the backend from cli again? |
| [09:39:00] | thechris: | thats why everytime i started to mess around it would start working, then stop working on a reboot |
| [09:39:00] | holycow: | good point btw :) |
| [09:39:00] | thechris: | on gentoo: /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart |
| [09:39:00] | holycow: | doesnt work on ubuntu |
| [09:40:00] | holycow: | at least you confirmed how its supposed to work |
| [09:40:00] | holycow: | thx |
| [09:41:00] | thechris: | for me, i could still get audio/video, but i couldn't change channels |
| [09:43:00] | holycow: | thechris, thx for your help earlier |
| [09:43:00] | holycow: | what a weird weird issue |
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| [09:50:00] | holycow: | guys, is the ivtv 0.3 driver only for pvr 150 and 550 cards? |
| [09:50:00] | holycow: | or can i try that for the pvr 250? |
| [09:51:00] | holycow: | as a side question, there is a diff file in the 0.2 package |
| [09:51:00] | holycow: | i need to apply that to the 0.2 drivers before i compile, correct? |
| [09:52:00] | mchou: | what ver drivers you using now? |
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| [09:53:00] | holycow: | ivtv-0.2.0-rc3k.tgz + |
| [09:53:00] | holycow: | sans + character |
| [09:53:00] | holycow: | rather thats the package, i didn't apply the diff |
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| [09:55:00] | mchou: | give 3.4-x a shot |
| [09:55:00] | mchou: | works problem free for me |
| [09:55:00] | mchou: | YMMV though |
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| [09:56:00] | mchou: | Knet: you open up your house to ppl from NOLA? |
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| [09:57:00] | holy_cow: | bah |
| [09:57:00] | holy_cow: | hit the reset button |
| [09:57:00] | mchou: | CyberKnet: you open up your house to ppl from NOLA? |
| [09:57:00] | holy_cow: | can someone paste what i missed? |
| [09:58:00] | mchou: | huh? how the f**k would ppl know what you missed |
| [09:58:00] | holy_cow: | copy paste from the last post i had as holycow, its fairly straight forward |
| [09:58:00] | holy_cow: | i was gone for 2 minutes |
| [09:59:00] | mchou: | you didnt miss shit |
| [09:59:00] | mchou: | plus you never signed off according to irc |
| [09:59:00] | holy_cow: | no shit you fuckwit |
| [09:59:00] | mchou: | not to mention this channel is logged |
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| [09:59:00] | holy_cow: | did you come to that conclusion by your self? |
| [10:00:00] | mchou: | holy_cow: in fact, I did |
| [10:01:00] | ** Tanthrix turns on the firehouse ** | |
| [10:01:00] | Tanthrix: | firehose, that is |
| [10:01:00] | mchou: | haha |
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| [10:47:00] | maniacxs: | panic !!: mythtv tries to delete the directory where recordings are located. |
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| [10:59:00] | holy_cow: | *hmmm* |
| [10:59:00] | holy_cow: | there is a patch directory in the ivtv drivers, i have not seen a single set of instructions to use them |
| [10:59:00] | holy_cow: | does anyone here apply them? |
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| [11:07:00] | malaTG: | grrrrrrrr I can't get my 150mce card to work properly tried several firmwares but they all give the buggy message does anyone know which one is the correct one? |
| [11:08:00] | malaTG: | I get some white stripes and dashes in the picture that comes and goes I just assumed that it is the firmware |
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| [11:09:00] | holy_cow: | okay with the new drivers, the stream plays in fast forward, i cant find a setting to configure this, where is default stream playback speed controlled? |
| [11:12:00] | SlicerDicer-: | http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16621197-13762,00.html omg thats just too kick ass |
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| [11:36:00] | st0rmy: | anyone here? |
| [11:36:00] | st0rmy: | i'm having trouble installing the pinnacle pctv pro ir receiver |
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| [12:48:00] | malaTG: | Ok I finally managed to get the correct firmware but i still get some white stripes and dashes in the pictures that comes and goes does anyone know how to resolve this? |
| [12:49:00] | malaTG: | And another question can I change the capture bitrate in myth? |
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| [13:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | malaTG: you can edit the recording profiles to change bitrates/resolutions and other recording related stuff |
| [13:10:00] | st0rmy: | anyone using pinnacle pctv pro here? |
| [13:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've got one on a shelf here that I used for my first test mythbox years ago |
| [13:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | hasn't seen any use since |
| [13:12:00] | st0rmy: | GreyFoxx, i cannot get lirc to work with its serial remote, can you guide me? |
| [13:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've never used lircI wont be of much help there |
| [13:13:00] | st0rmy: | oh okay, np, thanks anyways :) |
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| [13:24:00] | malaTG: | Okey I looked at the recordings profile but which stream should I choose? |
| [13:26:00] | malaTG: | Is it MPEG2-ps ts etc |
| [13:27:00] | malaTG: | And what bitrate/max bitrate is a good rate |
| [13:29:00] | PatrickDK: | mpeg2-ps is normal mpeg file |
| [13:29:00] | PatrickDK: | mpeg2-ts is transport (streaming) |
| [13:29:00] | PatrickDK: | I think most people are using ps |
| [13:30:00] | PatrickDK: | any rate is really good I think |
| [13:30:00] | PatrickDK: | it's good quaity at 2mbit for me |
| [13:30:00] | PatrickDK: | 8mbit is better |
| [13:30:00] | malaTG: | okey :-) |
| [13:30:00] | PatrickDK: | but well, not so much better that I would use the diskspace, unless you have alot of extra |
| [13:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | malaTG: You should experiment. Over the years I've used a large combination of bitrates/resolutions to find what I want |
| [13:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | Currently I use 544x480 @5000/6000 |
| [13:31:00] | malaTG: | okey thx |
| [13:31:00] | malaTG: | hmm when I did some changes the sound craped out :-) |
| [13:38:00] | malaTG: | I don't understand why I get white dashes and lines in the picture..... |
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| [13:45:00] | PatrickDK: | at the top and bottom of the screen? |
| [13:45:00] | malaTG: | no in the picture |
| [13:46:00] | malaTG: | small dashes and lines that comes and go randomly |
| [13:47:00] | malaTG: | as if the encoding was bad or something don't know much about these things.... |
| [13:51:00] | PatrickDK: | I wonder if your underdriving or overdriving your tv card |
| [13:53:00] | malaTG: | not sure what you mean? |
| [13:53:00] | PatrickDK: | too many catv splitters |
| [13:55:00] | malaTG: | I have an analog signal directly from the wall into the card |
| [13:55:00] | PatrickDK: | that doesn't mean anything |
| [13:55:00] | malaTG: | okey |
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| [13:55:00] | PatrickDK: | how many splitters does it go through before it gets to the wall |
| [13:56:00] | PatrickDK: | you have a cable modem? |
| [13:56:00] | malaTG: | no |
| [13:56:00] | PatrickDK: | how many wall jacks are there? |
| [13:56:00] | malaTG: | just radio and tv |
| [13:56:00] | PatrickDK: | you have one tv jack in the whole house? |
| [13:56:00] | PatrickDK: | no other tv's? |
| [13:56:00] | malaTG: | no apartment |
| [13:57:00] | PatrickDK: | oh heh, no idea what they might of done in there |
| [13:57:00] | malaTG: | ok so the problem may go away if I just move :-) |
| [13:57:00] | PatrickDK: | does it have distortions or lines on a normal tv? |
| [13:57:00] | malaTG: | no |
| [13:57:00] | PatrickDK: | hmm |
| [13:58:00] | PatrickDK: | I have notices mine gets like that if I have more than 3 splitters |
| [13:58:00] | PatrickDK: | have to use an amp, or remove some splitters for it to go away |
| [13:58:00] | malaTG: | ok. I am a true newbie could I use a amplifier |
| [13:58:00] | malaTG: | ahhhh |
| [13:59:00] | malaTG: | you already said that :-) |
| [13:59:00] | malaTG: | I use a 75 Ohm cable is that the best choice? |
| [13:59:00] | PatrickDK: | yes |
| [13:59:00] | malaTG: | ok |
| [13:59:00] | malaTG: | are you from denmark patrick? |
| [13:59:00] | PatrickDK: | should be rg-6 |
| [13:59:00] | PatrickDK: | nope |
| [13:59:00] | malaTG: | ok |
| [13:59:00] | PatrickDK: | time for wok |
| [14:00:00] | malaTG: | ok thx for the help!! |
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| [16:17:00] | maniacxs: | why does mythbackend try to delete the directory where recorings are located? |
| [16:18:00] | maniacxs: | Error deleting '/home/mythtv/tv_record//', Ist ein Verzeichnis |
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| [16:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | maniacxs: Looks more like a error figuring out the proper filename |
| [16:20:00] | maniacxs: | GreyFoxx, this happenes every ~10mins without interaction |
| [16:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | trying to auto expire due to low diskspace and not generating the proper file name and therefore failing to both remove the item and would keep happennning since space wasn't reclaimed |
| [16:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or just run mythbackend -v all and see what it is trying to do :) |
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| [16:23:00] | MrSpiffy: | morning |
| [16:25:00] | dj_segfault: | BTW, buy.com has the pvr350 for $170us but today is the last day of a $30 rebate on top of that. |
| [16:26:00] | dj_segfault: | maniacxs, the double / at the end smells of config error |
| [16:27:00] | burly: | has anyone had problems getting the /dev/lirc/0 file to be created by udev for the Hauppauge PVR-150 when you load the ivtv module? |
| [16:27:00] | maniacxs: | dj_segfault, maybe, but i do not want mythtv delete my recordings |
| [16:27:00] | burly: | it loads lirc_i2c but no lirc device gets created anywhere, /dev/lirc/X , /dev/lircX or otherwise |
| [16:28:00] | maniacxs: | it says somthing about: Scheduled 27 items in 0.1 = 0.00 match + 0.10 place |
| [16:28:00] | maniacxs: | About to unlink/delete file: /home/mythtv/tv_record// |
| [16:28:00] | maniacxs: | not really much information for me |
| [16:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | that's with -v all ? |
| [16:29:00] | maniacxs: | GreyFoxx, yes |
| [16:29:00] | burly: | does anyone here use the remote with the PVR-150? |
| [16:31:00] | maniacxs: | http://pastebin.com/365508 |
| [16:31:00] | dj_segfault: | (disclaimer: I don't have MythTV yet, but I know Linux very well): What I mean is that it doesn't want to delete "/home/mythtv/tv_record//", it wants to delete "/home/mythtv/tv_record/$SOMETHING/", and that $SOMETHING may be a temp working dir that is incorrectly specified in a config file somewhere. |
| [16:31:00] | maniacxs: | after the last line only JobQueue follows |
| [16:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | maniacxs: It appears like it sees a 0 byte recording and is trying to delete it, but filename field is not properly filled |
| [16:37:00] | maniacxs: | GreyFoxx, thanks i check it. |
| [16:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | DoHandleDeleteRecording > SpawnDeleteThread > DoDeleteThread and somewhere along the chain (or where it originates) the filename isn't fill in |
| [16:40:00] | burly: | so no one uses the PVR-150 remote |
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| [16:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've got a pile of hauppauge remotes and the only one I've ever used is the one on my MediaMVP :) |
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| [16:44:00] | dj_segfault: | GreyFoxx, why, are they lame? Or do you just have that many boards? |
| [16:44:00] | dj_segfault: | hence that many remotes? |
| [16:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | dj_segfault: Well, I've got that many boards, and I don't like the remotes, AND lirc is a pain, so I use a different couple remotes on 2 frontends and keyboards on the other 2 |
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| [16:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | hey GreyFoxx I made some progress with the display at 720x480 – I found a root cause of the problem playing back. |
| [16:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | the wintv card bttv has borders on the left and noise on the top of about half the channels |
| [16:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | no way to set it to crop them wither – I tried the crop fileter in myth but that adds a black border rather than remove it |
| [16:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | well normally there is a border of a few pixels on both sides, |
| [16:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | but noise is another matter |
| [16:50:00] | MrSpiffy: | GreyFoxx, yeah – I'm talking a big fat border of almost 20 pixels on the left only and about 4 pixels of crap on the top |
| [16:51:00] | Beirdo: | overscan... |
| [16:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | which messes up my display settting – only way I found around it is to turn up the x overscan option in playback – which also pushes the channel logo off the screen about half way |
| [16:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | sounds like more than just overscan, but *shrug* |
| [16:51:00] | Beirdo: | and the crap at the top might be the VBI stuff being captured |
| [16:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | odd thing is it is not on all channels |
| [16:51:00] | Beirdo: | nah, that sounds about right for overscan on a bttv card |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | it depends on how much overscan the broadcaster puts in |
| [16:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | end result is I'm trying to compenstae for it with stupidly huge overscan and lose some picture |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | which is exactly what a real TV does |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | big whoop |
| [16:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | tv does a better job |
| [16:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | MrSpiffy: ALL standard TV's overscan. You loose a ;arge portion of the video. It's just that people are general unaware of it |
| [16:53:00] | MrSpiffy: | I toggled between the myth live tv and reg tv to check it. big diff |
| [16:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | but when you are use to seeing the whole screen on a monitor and then place the same image on a TV with overscan then people realize they are "missing" some :) |
| [16:53:00] | MrSpiffy: | the bttv card is messing me up |
| [16:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | tell me about it GreyFoxx |
| [16:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | Mine has been on a shelf for years :) |
| [16:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | I wish I could tweak it with a recording filter on the channels that are way off |
| [16:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | I wonder if a pvr 250 would help |
| [16:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | yay, lunch has arrived |
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| [17:01:00] | holycow: | mornin |
| [17:01:00] | holycow: | is there a way to startup myth frontend to automaticall go to a certain channel and start playing? |
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| [17:14:00] | Krazylegz: | You could start mythtv instead of mythfrontend. |
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| [18:31:00] | Beirdo: | what did we do to deserve Vancouver weather? |
| [18:32:00] | kormoc: | You're in the same country as Vancouver, so you allied yourself with them and god is displeased. |
| [18:32:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | you're more in the same country than I am, silly resident of the north-west |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:33:00] | kormoc: | hehe, indeed :P |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | frigging annoying rain all day |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | blech |
| [18:33:00] | kormoc: | and we have the same weather today it seems. |
| [18:33:00] | xris: | Beirdo: first rain we've had HERE in weeks. |
| [18:34:00] | Beirdo: | I think the same here, other than maybe a small sprinkle or two |
| [18:34:00] | xris: | yeah. but I live in a place where it's *supposed* to rain a lot |
| [18:34:00] | Beirdo: | nature's getting me back for the rain I didn't get when in Puerto Rico during the rainy season |
| [18:34:00] | xris: | heh |
| [18:37:00] | Beirdo: | I hope to test that theory soon though |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | gonna see if I can't get stuff together to get down there for canadian thanksgiving |
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| [18:39:00] | Krazylegz: | Beirdo is a Canadian Puerto Rican? |
| [18:40:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:40:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:40:00] | Beirdo: | I'm a Canadian |
| [18:40:00] | Krazylegz: | Beirdo goes to Puerto Rico purely for the rum? |
| [18:40:00] | Beirdo: | who is about to propose to a Puerto Rican |
| [18:40:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:40:00] | Krazylegz: | Ah. Congratulations. |
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| [18:41:00] | Beirdo: | fun fun fun |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | thank ye, dude |
| [18:45:00] | holycow: | Beirdo, are you here? |
| [18:45:00] | Beirdo: | maybe |
| [18:45:00] | holycow: | lol no i mean vancouver |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | I'm in Toronto |
| [18:46:00] | holycow: | c'mon, say it with me, you loooooove the rain |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | you can have your damned rain back |
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| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | I guess I like rain > snow |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | but it's not time for snow either |
| [18:47:00] | Beirdo: | that's OK, I'm just grumpy |
| [18:48:00] | holycow: | well yes, your canadian and it's friday :) |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, and I'm recovering from a flu |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | not the best time for rain |
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| [18:58:00] | travolta: | what is wrong with vancouver weather? |
| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | nothing... if you're a duck |
| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:59:00] | beavis: | the same weather in Frankfurt/DE |
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| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | forgive me, I'm just grouchy today |
| [18:59:00] | travolta: | tgif :) |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | I'd rather live in Canuck-land than Maple Leaf territory where I am now |
| [18:59:00] | travolta: | be happy |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | Oh I am |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | I get to sleep in tomorrow |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | until I damn well feel like getting outta bed |
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| [19:14:00] | DonLKSAB: | Hi all |
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| [19:24:00] | Wizard_Guest: | anyone awake? |
| [19:25:00] | twisted_one: | nope |
| [19:25:00] | Wizard_Guest: | ohh..... |
| [19:25:00] | Wizard_Guest: | :) |
| [19:26:00] | Wizard_Guest: | well I was just wondering what seems to be the Distro of choice for all you Myth users |
| [19:26:00] | twisted_one: | I use gentoo |
| [19:26:00] | Wizard_Guest: | 2005.1? |
| [19:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | The distro of choice is whatever you are most comfortable using |
| [19:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | myth doesn't care |
| [19:26:00] | laga: | i prefer debian sarge. |
| [19:26:00] | twisted_one: | Although I think that the most popular one would be FC3 (Fedora Core) |
| [19:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | I prefer Slackware |
| [19:27:00] | twisted_one: | But GreyFoxx, basically anything works. |
| [19:27:00] | Wizard_Guest: | see, I'm looking for one that doesn't have alot of extra garbage |
| [19:27:00] | laga: | Wizard_Guest: knoppmyth? ;) |
| [19:27:00] | DonLKSAB: | Wizard_Guest For mythtv only? |
| [19:27:00] | Wizard_Guest: | I used to use Ubuntu for VDR, but it was filled with alot of crap |
| [19:27:00] | DonLKSAB: | I was going to say that :-) |
| [19:27:00] | Wizard_Guest: | I thought about that |
| [19:27:00] | laga: | Wizard_Guest: well, try debian or slackware then. they're very basic. |
| [19:27:00] | twisted_one: | Wizard_Guest: thats why I use gentoo, just have built what I need, nothing more. |
| [19:27:00] | Wizard_Guest: | but whats the fun if everything is already setup for ya?!?!? |
| [19:28:00] | Wizard_Guest: | thats why I'm thinking about going with gentoo |
| [19:28:00] | DonLKSAB: | Trust me its not working 100% |
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| [19:28:00] | DonLKSAB: | Y/ou still have to config stuff to getit the way you want |
| [19:28:00] | Wizard_Guest: | and yes, its only for Myth |
| [19:28:00] | DonLKSAB: | Try knoppmyth |
| [19:29:00] | laga: | or mythdora o_O |
| [19:29:00] | Wizard_Guest: | yeah, but still, just put in a cd, and watch it do the rest |
| [19:29:00] | Wizard_Guest: | I used Debian sid for my VDR box |
| [19:30:00] | Wizard_Guest: | but when it comes to funtionality for NTSC stuff, VDR just blows! |
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| [19:33:00] | xiglet: | is it possible / a good idea to control mythtv via your bluetooth cellphone? |
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| [19:34:00] | Beirdo: | geek |
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| [19:37:00] | Majn00n: | hello I am thinking of switching to mythtv and have a question about destackers. In my condo building we have directv that is fed into all the individual condos. When I had my Tivo box (which I am going to dump in the garbage) I had to get a De-stacker to uncompress the data. Are there any issues with using a De-stacker with MythTV? |
| [19:37:00] | Majn00n: | anyone have experience with De-stackers here? |
| [19:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've never even heard of one until just now |
| [19:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | at least not with that name |
| [19:37:00] | laga: | could you please explain what a de-stacker is? |
| [19:38:00] | laga: | oh, at least it's not me alone ;) |
| [19:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | but as long as the data that comes into the mythbox is a regular signal then it shouldn't care what is ahead of it |
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| [19:40:00] | Majn00n: | well if you have your own dish you dont need a destacker |
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| [19:40:00] | Majn00n: | but directv has offered some condo development projects the ability to have one dish sending signals to many condo units |
| [19:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | majno: I assume that is just "invisible" to the tv/end unit. So myth shouldn't care about it |
| [19:41:00] | Beirdo: | you'd be capturing the analog signals going to the TV |
| [19:41:00] | Beirdo: | so, yeah, it should work |
| [19:41:00] | Beirdo: | you'll still need funky box |
| [19:42:00] | Majn00n: | actually no, the signal is compressed. |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | and rig up an IR transmitter to control it |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | how does it plug into your TV? |
| [19:43:00] | Majn00n: | what the de-stacker? |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | whatever plugs into the TV. |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | you pull those plugs out of the TV, and plug them into a capture card |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | done |
| [19:44:00] | Majn00n: | the cable to the the destacker then destacker to tivo then tivo to tv |
| [19:45:00] | Majn00n: | here is the theory of stacked signals |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | or out of the tivo, perhaps |
| [19:45:00] | Majn00n: | normal terrestrial signals are 50 to 800 MHz |
| [19:46:00] | Majn00n: | stacked signals have odd polarity of 900 to 1450Mhz |
| [19:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Dude, you are missing our point |
| [19:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | What goes into your TV is not longer "stacked" |
| [19:46:00] | ** laga wonders if you'need the tivo to decrypt the signal ** | |
| [19:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | therefore you can record it at that point |
| [19:47:00] | maniacxs: | Majn00n, is it something like this? http://www.satcure.co.uk/accs/stacker.htm |
| [19:47:00] | Majn00n: | well the TV can handle stacked signal no problem |
| [19:47:00] | Majn00n: | its the fuckin tivo capture card |
| [19:47:00] | Majn00n: | doesnt understand the polarity |
| [19:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | Majn00n: Your Tivo is outputting standard signal. I'd almost guarantee it |
| [19:47:00] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [19:48:00] | Majn00n: | actually more like this http://www.hometech.com/video/dssacc.html D575d |
| [19:48:00] | Majn00n: | yes ut the Tivo box cannot understand stacked signal so it will output garbage |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | so it gives you a satellite signal out |
| [19:50:00] | Majn00n: | yes |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | so you need a satellite receiver |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | and use it the same way as any other satellite receiver |
| [19:51:00] | Majn00n: | well I wish I could Beirdo but the polarity of the signal isnt the same as a standard satellite receiver |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | if you want to use mythtv with DirecTV, you capture the analog output of the satellite receiver |
| [19:52:00] | Beirdo: | then use the damn de-stacker thingy before the receiver! |
| [19:52:00] | ** Beirdo slaps Majn00n with a trout ** | |
| [19:52:00] | Majn00n: | lol |
| [19:53:00] | Majn00n: | yes I know I will have to use it but I was hoping someone has a card that removes this silly $200 deplexer out of the equation |
| [19:53:00] | Majn00n: | :) |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | if they did, be sure it would cost more than $200 |
| [19:54:00] | Majn00n: | its just that I want to build the mythtv box for my bedroom and dont want to buy another de-stacker |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | oh well |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | it's nice to want things |
| [19:55:00] | Majn00n: | fuck directv is all I can say |
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| [19:55:00] | maniacxs: | Majn00n, but then you have to take a new cable to the lnb |
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| [19:55:00] | Majn00n: | ? maniacxs |
| [19:56:00] | maniacxs: | Majn00n, what i read, it looks like you need the destacker to use one cable with more then one reciever |
| [19:57:00] | Majn00n: | yes I believe I can run a cable but its a pain to run it to my bedroom from my livingrrom |
| [19:58:00] | maniacxs: | Majn00n, is it possible to attach one more cable to the destacker? |
| [19:59:00] | Majn00n: | I am not sure yet I will have to look at the destacker schemetic when I get home |
| [19:59:00] | Majn00n: | I think it is possible though |
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| [20:15:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | hellow |
| [20:16:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | i'm having some problems with my remote. all the buttons work perfectly except the numeric buttons ([0–9]). they just don't respond. the DO work in irw... |
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| [20:28:00] | simcop2387: | man i wish i had two tuners now, i've got a few channels that aren't 100% accurate for their timing so i'd love to set it to record 1min before and after |
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| [20:40:00] | DonLKSAB: | Anyone know if i can strart Xine on a different screen? |
| [20:40:00] | DonLKSAB: | I have 2 displays |
| [20:41:00] | DonLKSAB: | One projector and one LCD Tv |
| [20:41:00] | DonLKSAB: | The proj is 800x600 and the TV is 1280x768 |
| [20:42:00] | DonLKSAB: | Both works fine but nyth avd Xine only show up in 800x600 on the big screen |
| [20:42:00] | kormoc: | DISPLAY=:0.1 xine |
| [20:42:00] | DonLKSAB: | ok :-) |
| [20:44:00] | DonLKSAB: | Can not open display |
| [20:44:00] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [20:44:00] | DonLKSAB: | Im running a Nvidia card with twinview |
| [20:44:00] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [20:44:00] | DonLKSAB: | "clone" mode |
| [20:44:00] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [20:45:00] | kormoc: | output as in you only get a large black box? |
| [20:45:00] | DonLKSAB: | Npo |
| [20:45:00] | DonLKSAB: | No* |
| [20:45:00] | DonLKSAB: | Working fine |
| [20:45:00] | DonLKSAB: | But fullscreen on the smal monitor is 800x600 |
| [20:45:00] | kormoc: | you just don't see the entire app on the second screen? |
| [20:46:00] | DonLKSAB: | So Xine ( And myth ) Is in top left corner of the TV |
| [20:46:00] | kormoc: | ooh, I see |
| [20:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | DonLKSAB: You could force the 1280x768 to be the primary and they will use that for their settings , BUT it will not scale the video down to 800x600 for the other |
| [20:46:00] | kormoc: | you can't fix that, you need them to run at the same res if you want to clone like that. |
| [20:46:00] | DonLKSAB: | Damn |
| [20:46:00] | DonLKSAB: | :-) |
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| [20:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | If the primary was the larger screen then the smaller would just be 800x600 out of the 1280x768 and you would move around it like a large virtual desktop |
| [20:47:00] | DonLKSAB: | How do i force the TV to be primary? |
| [20:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | define it first |
| [20:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | in your config file |
| [20:47:00] | kormoc: | Option "ConnectedMonitors" "TV, CRT" |
| [20:47:00] | kormoc: | or similar |
| [20:48:00] | DonLKSAB: | ok |
| [20:48:00] | DonLKSAB: | So there is no way to run them at differetn resolutions? |
| [20:48:00] | kormoc: | and clone them? no |
| [20:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | DonLKSAB: For example I have a touch screen running at 1024x768 twinviewed with my 800x600 TV out. But the card will NOT scale the clone image to the larger one |
| [20:49:00] | DonLKSAB: | Ok |
| [20:49:00] | kormoc: | you can run the 1024x768 one at 800x600 in theory. |
| [20:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | So I end up with this : http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2005/08-0 . . . nMythTV& |
| [20:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | If I had the touch screen as primary I would only see a 800x600 portion of that 1024x768 on the TV |
| [20:50:00] | DonLKSAB: | Do you know anything about progres of touch funktions? |
| [20:51:00] | DonLKSAB: | Sins you have a touchscreen |
| [20:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | So I'm using the extra screenspace to write a control pannel app to sit around the outter borders monitoring stuff and as extra controls |
| [20:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/controlpanel.png is my rough idea of what I'm going to do |
| [20:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | cept with bigger buttons, and a few status windows |
| [20:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | the 800x600 will be the only visible portion on the TV |
| [20:52:00] | DonLKSAB: | ok |
| [20:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | but the rest will + tv will be visible on the touch screen panel |
| [20:52:00] | DonLKSAB: | ok |
| [20:53:00] | DonLKSAB: | I guess i need that extra frontend now :-) |
| [20:53:00] | DonLKSAB: | Hmm |
| [20:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or just picup a second video card |
| [20:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | run 2 xservers, 1 per card ? |
| [20:54:00] | DonLKSAB: | Yeah |
| [20:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | then :0 mythfrontend and :1 mythfrontend |
| [20:54:00] | DonLKSAB: | Can i run the 2 outputs as different xservers? |
| [20:54:00] | DonLKSAB: | On a nvidia card? |
| [20:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | DonLKSAB: Sure |
| [20:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've done that |
| [20:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | just setup a layout for each output |
| [20:54:00] | DonLKSAB: | Then that would solve everything :-) |
| [20:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | and start an X server and specify the layout you want |
| [20:54:00] | DonLKSAB: | In XF86config? |
| [20:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [20:55:00] | DonLKSAB: | I hate that file :-) |
| [20:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | well define the layout in the x config file, specify which you want at the startx line |
| [20:55:00] | DonLKSAB: | Tock me 3 days to get image on the TV |
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| [20:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm sure there are examples out there somewhere |
| [20:55:00] | juski: | hi folks |
| [20:57:00] | juski: | levon: thanks very much for your dbox2 patch! I got it working in 0.18.1 :-) |
| [20:57:00] | laga: | hi juski :) |
| [20:58:00] | DonLKSAB: | GreyFoxx. Then i should not use any of Nvidas twinview settings? |
| [20:59:00] | juski: | hi laga |
| [20:59:00] | laga: | juski: how is it going? |
| [20:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | DonLKSAB: If you went with seperate X server/layouts for each output then you wouldn't use twinview |
| [20:59:00] | juski: | my 1st foray into coding.. hacking a mysql check into some mythtv source... oh dear.. keep your fingers crossed folks lol |
| [20:59:00] | laga: | juski: i will, till htey break |
| [20:59:00] | DonLKSAB: | Ok So i should stop reading the Nvidia readme :-) |
| [21:00:00] | DonLKSAB: | Damn |
| [21:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | The Nvidia readme, doesn't go into topics like serpate servers per output |
| [21:00:00] | juski: | lol laga... I could always just comment out the EPG grabbing bits of code, but that's not really a solution is it? |
| [21:01:00] | juski: | (though it'd work for me) |
| [21:01:00] | laga: | juski: umm, no ;). although it would be cool to be able to disable it entirely. my dbox is useless at the moment because mythtv is occupying it ;) |
| [21:02:00] | juski: | well all the EPG stuff – at least what updates the DB.. is a bunch of voids... |
| [21:02:00] | laga: | ugh, seems that my dbox stopped working again. *sigh* |
| [21:03:00] | juski: | I think it's kinda flaky sometimes.. but then the neutrino stuff isn't all that old, not many people work on it... |
| [21:04:00] | DonLKSAB: | Now i kille my XFconfig file again :-) |
| [21:04:00] | juski: | 'mostly working' would be the term I'd use ;-) |
| [21:04:00] | laga: | juski: yeah. and if it works, it does it well ;) |
| [21:08:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | anybody that can tell me why mythtv won't accept numbers from my remote? it does accept all the other buttons |
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| [21:09:00] | juski: | TiTAN_pi8 ... have you got the keys mapped in lircrc ? |
| [21:09:00] | juski: | and are they in the lircd.conf file? |
| [21:09:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | yes |
| [21:09:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | otherwise the other buttons wouldn't work either |
| [21:10:00] | juski: | not necessarily... the buttons need to be in the files... maybe they're not defined |
| [21:10:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | they are |
| [21:10:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | begin |
| [21:10:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | prog = irxevent |
| [21:10:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | button = p0 |
| [21:10:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | config = Key KP_0 CurrentWindow |
| [21:10:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | end |
| [21:10:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | for example |
| [21:10:00] | juski: | irxevent? not mythtv? |
| [21:11:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | no i am using irxevent. i don't know if mythtv is compiled with lirc support because i'm running debian so i haven't compiled it myself |
| [21:11:00] | juski: | isn't KP_0 the numeric keypad? numlock not on? |
| [21:11:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | other don't have KP |
| [21:11:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | just 1 |
| [21:11:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | or 2 ... |
| [21:11:00] | juski: | what does irw say? |
| [21:11:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | should I try mythtv as prog? |
| [21:11:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | irw: |
| [21:12:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | 000000000000016f 00 p2 tv |
| [21:12:00] | ** Bio goes to the end of the line at the help desk. ** | |
| [21:12:00] | juski: | ? i thought irw would only output the name of the key... |
| [21:12:00] | juski: | only has all the times I've tried it |
| [21:13:00] | laga: | you'd have to map it in lircrc. like p0 -> '0' |
| [21:13:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | i found it I think |
| [21:13:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | i changed prog to 'irxevent' and now I get this: |
| [21:14:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | LircClient warning: attempt to convert 'Key 2 CurrentWindow' to a key sequence failed. Fix your key mappings. |
| [21:14:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | so it doesn't understand Key 2 CurrentWindow |
| [21:14:00] | laga: | i think your key mapping are broken ;). mythtv comes with some example lircrcs. |
| [21:14:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | no mines are based on those |
| [21:19:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | what does the config = line mean in lircrc? |
| [21:19:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | nvm |
| [21:21:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | found the solution |
| [21:21:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | instead of Key 2 CurrentWindow I just entered '2' after config = |
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| [21:23:00] | juski: | hey who tried to dcc me a file? |
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| [21:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | juski: the dcc request would have had their nick and their IP |
| [21:24:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | i did |
| [21:24:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | i tried to send you lircrc |
| [21:24:00] | Beirdo: | was it at least good pr0n? |
| [21:24:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | no |
| [21:24:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | :p |
| [21:24:00] | juski: | ahhh... |
| [21:24:00] | laga: | bummer |
| [21:24:00] | juski: | nah I got enough good pr0n |
| [21:25:00] | juski: | wait... that can't be true lol |
| [21:25:00] | psyon: | I have my myth box setup to use the PVR-350s hardware decoder. I want to know if I can make myth play mpegs that are uploaded to the box via the hardware decoder, I tried just cating the mpeg to /dev/video16, but since the framebuffer is filled by the X display, the video is not overlayed. So, I either need myth to play it, or need a way to black out the screen before I cat video to it.. any ideas? |
| [21:25:00] | Beirdo: | use pastebin.com or pastebin.ca for such things |
| [21:25:00] | laga: | 7dcc send beirdo teenarchive.tar |
| [21:25:00] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [21:25:00] | Beirdo: | I don't do dcc |
| [21:25:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [21:25:00] | juski: | neither do I ;) |
| [21:25:00] | Beirdo: | and I don't want pics of your neighbour |
| [21:25:00] | psyon: | wow! thats the first time ive heard anyone mention pastebin.ca. My buddy runs that one :) |
| [21:25:00] | Beirdo: | psyon: yeah, he is SOMETIMES in here... |
| [21:26:00] | Beirdo: | slePP: where are you, you slacker?! |
| [21:26:00] | psyon: | hahaha |
| [21:26:00] | juski: | Beirdo.. you musta seen my neighbours lol |
| [21:26:00] | psyon: | I didnt even know he ever connected to FreeNode. |
| [21:26:00] | psyon: | Hes always just on our own little irc network |
| [21:26:00] | immolo: | Hey, does anyone use freeview with mythtv? I'm trying to scan for channels with my nova-t and everytime it says transponter error |
| [21:26:00] | juski: | I use 2 freeview cards with mythtv |
| [21:26:00] | Beirdo: | he's here for #asterisk a lot |
| [21:27:00] | juski: | sometimes both at once lol |
| [21:27:00] | psyon: | ahhh. That would make sense |
| [21:27:00] | juski: | immolo – have you checked the hardware all works.. drivers working etc? |
| [21:27:00] | immolo: | juski- yeah I can watch tv with dvbstream and find all the channels with tzap but myth finds nothing |
| [21:27:00] | juski: | ahh right |
| [21:28:00] | juski: | you need to capture a .conf file with tzap |
| [21:28:00] | immolo: | yep I got that far |
| [21:28:00] | juski: | then look at the file, find the first mux (i.e. lowest frequency) and use that as the transport to scan with in mythtv-setup |
| [21:29:00] | juski: | is this with 0.18.1 btw? |
| [21:29:00] | immolo: | yes |
| [21:29:00] | juski: | make sure you put as many parameters in as you can |
| [21:29:00] | juski: | FEC, etc |
| [21:30:00] | immolo: | I set it to use the bbc one which is 48983330 and set all the parameters that ztap has and still errors out |
| [21:30:00] | juski: | I've got a screengrab or ten which might help, somewhere (I think) |
| [21:31:00] | immolo: | doesn't it depend on which transmitter you use? |
| [21:31:00] | psyon: | Maybe I should make an X program that just creates a huge black window, then I can cat the output to /dev/video16 |
| [21:31:00] | laga: | psyon: use mythvideo and set the player to 'internal' |
| [21:31:00] | psyon: | eh? really! |
| [21:31:00] | psyon: | sweet! |
| [21:31:00] | juski: | yes immolo but you'll get the idea |
| [21:32:00] | psyon: | I was looking for options like that, and didnt see any |
| [21:32:00] | immolo: | juski- Ok, thanks |
| [21:32:00] | psyon: | I shall double check! |
| [21:32:00] | juski: | is the BBC mux the lowest frequency one? |
| [21:33:00] | immolo: | its at the top of the list but I can double check if you want |
| [21:34:00] | ** Bio has a question ** | |
| [21:34:00] | juski: | it might help... I think myth starts with one mux then scan upwards but loops round to lower frequencies and eventually bombs out if it doesn't find anything within a certain time.. don't quote me on that – has always just worked for me |
| [21:34:00] | immolo: | yeah it's the lowest one |
| [21:34:00] | juski: | right then.. enter the frequency as it's shown in the tzap file, immolo |
| [21:35:00] | immolo: | 489833330? |
| [21:35:00] | Bio: | Question: How do I uninstall plugins? |
| [21:36:00] | juski: | bandwidth: 8Mhz; Inversion: Auto; Constellation:QAM16; LP Coderate: 3/4; HP Coderate: 3/4; Trans Mode: 2k; Guard Interval: 1/32; Heirarchy: none |
| [21:37:00] | juski: | yeh immolo that'd be the right freq. |
| [21:37:00] | DonLKSAB: | Anyone that is good on X86config here? |
| [21:37:00] | DonLKSAB: | I neet to switch primary display |
| [21:37:00] | DonLKSAB: | need* |
| [21:37:00] | immolo: | juski- I'm just going to run upstairs as the better signal is up there |
| [21:37:00] | DonLKSAB: | From the CRT to the LCD Tv |
| [21:38:00] | psyon: | ok, now Im going to be really dumb... what directory does MythVideo look for movies in? (and yes, I am looking in the docs) |
| [21:38:00] | Bio: | /myth/video/ |
| [21:38:00] | juski: | pyson... it looks wherever you've SET it to look |
| [21:39:00] | psyon: | hmm... |
| [21:39:00] | Bio: | well it's there when installed from KnoppMyth... |
| [21:39:00] | Bio: | um, you can set the video directory right from the mythtv setup menu. |
| [21:40:00] | psyon: | ok, lets try this again, I must be over looking something. |
| [21:40:00] | de-v: | go back into setup, its there |
| [21:40:00] | immolo: | juski- Thanks it scanning now |
| [21:41:00] | Bio: | Another Question: I want to make some changes the MythWeb, where are the files located? |
| [21:41:00] | juski: | immolo – finding any channels then? |
| [21:41:00] | de-v: | whereiver you installed them |
| [21:41:00] | de-v: | heh |
| [21:41:00] | ** psyon smacks himself in the forehead, and welcomes everyone else to do so also. ** | |
| [21:41:00] | psyon: | now I see it. |
| [21:42:00] | Bio: | heh, KnoppMyth instaled them for me :p |
| [21:42:00] | de-v: | then search your filesystem :) |
| [21:42:00] | de-v: | find is a good thing :) |
| [21:42:00] | immolo: | juski- it seems to be |
| [21:42:00] | juski: | immolo: cool... |
| [21:42:00] | Bio: | How do you do that? I can't get find to work. |
| [21:43:00] | juski: | cd /; find -iname "*find*" lol |
| [21:43:00] | de-v: | man unix |
| [21:43:00] | de-v: | heh |
| [21:43:00] | de-v: | i wonder what would happen if myth was ported to windows |
| [21:43:00] | de-v: | oh boy the questions then |
| [21:43:00] | juski: | if you wanna be more thorough use fgrep |
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| [21:46:00] | Bio: | ah, there they are |
| [21:46:00] | Bio: | I needed the -iname part |
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| [21:46:00] | Bio: | Back to my original question: How do I uninstall plugins? |
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| [21:47:00] | de-v: | knoppix-myth doesnt have its own channel? |
| [21:47:00] | juski: | hmmmm... in gentoo it's just emerge --unmerge <package_name> |
| [21:47:00] | de-v: | dont think many people in here use that bio |
| [21:48:00] | juski: | I have a question: mysql queries in C... what's this 'query.bindvalue' doing? |
| [21:50:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | could somebody tell me where mythtv keeps it's channel data (the frequencies) please? |
| [21:50:00] | juski: | in the er... 'channel' table |
| [21:50:00] | juski: | for analog TV anyway |
| [21:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | juski: It's doing just what it says. Binding a value to the Query. so you have have a query like "SELECT col FROM table WHERE col = :DATA" and later use bindvalue to change ":DATA" to whatever value you are providing |
| [21:50:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | ah it's in a database, that's right :) |
| [21:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | Bindvalues are common in SQL apps |
| [21:51:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | could somebody recommend me a program like phpmyadmin but it must run standalone so it shouldn't depend on a webserver |
| [21:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | TiTAN_pi8: "mysql" ? :) |
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| [21:52:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | yes but isn't that only command line? |
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| [21:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes, you didn't specify graphical :) |
| [21:52:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | well like phpmyadmin... :) |
| [21:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use the commandline client only. And was being snarky more than anything :) |
| [21:53:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | got it i think: mysqlgui |
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| [21:53:00] | juski: | right... so how do I get data out of the table into say.. a variable |
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| [21:54:00] | Hoxzer: | When I try to run myth tv it gives me an error: Database error was: |
| [21:54:00] | Hoxzer: | Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
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| [21:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | juski: bindvalue are for sumitting queries, not for responses |
| [21:54:00] | Hoxzer: | what should I do? |
| [21:54:00] | Hoxzer: | my distro is ubuntu |
| [21:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | query.value(columnnumber).toString() (or .toInt() ) |
| [21:54:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | Hoxzer, you can try doing the same but as root |
| [21:55:00] | juski: | grant user mythtv priviledges in the database, Hoxzer |
| [21:55:00] | juski: | cheers for that GreyFoxx |
| [21:55:00] | Bio: | is query a class? |
| [21:55:00] | Hoxzer: | with root it didn't work I might try that juski |
| [21:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | Bio: yes |
| [21:56:00] | Bio: | so you can't use it in C? Is there a C equivilant? |
| [21:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | Bio: Nope, in this case it';s a QT ckass |
| [21:56:00] | juski: | jeez. what am I getting into? lol |
| [21:57:00] | Bio: | I guess it's just another reason to move on to C++ :) |
| [21:58:00] | DonLKSAB: | Im going nuts |
| [21:58:00] | laga: | so am i, my knoppmyth wont boot |
| [21:59:00] | DonLKSAB: | No mather what i do i cant get my LCD tv to be primary |
| [22:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | dons: I've got exactly 2 minutes, put your config on pastebin and I'll glance at it |
| [22:00:00] | DonLKSAB: | pastebin url? |
| [22:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | www.pastebin.ca |
| [22:01:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | is it normal that the channel id starts at 1000? |
| [22:01:00] | DonLKSAB: | http://pastebin.ca/23134 |
| [22:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | TiTAN_pi8: yeah |
| [22:01:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | k, thx and what is the 'sourceid'? |
| [22:02:00] | DonLKSAB: | GreyFoxx now both displays work but the 800x600 is primary |
| [22:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | the id of the configured videosource |
| [22:02:00] | Chutt: | what's with people and their inability to use 'grep' |
| [22:02:00] | DonLKSAB: | GreyFoxx Identifier? |
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| [22:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | GreyFoxx: I wasn't talking to you |
| [22:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | err Don: |
| [22:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [22:03:00] | DonLKSAB: | HeHe |
| [22:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | DonLKSAB: which resolution is which output ? |
| [22:03:00] | DonLKSAB: | 800x600 is CRT |
| [22:03:00] | juski: | GreyFoxx.. can I also use .toBool() ? |
| [22:03:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | GreyFoxx, is it normal that every sourceid = 1? |
| [22:03:00] | DonLKSAB: | The one thats primary now |
| [22:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | just: Sure |
| [22:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | TiTAN_pi8: It would be if you only had one video source |
| [22:04:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | ah OK |
| [22:04:00] | TiTAN_pi8: | thx |
| [22:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | DonLKSAB: In metamodes specify the device for each of the resolutions |
| [22:04:00] | DonLKSAB: | And device is? |
| [22:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | Option "MetaModes" "CRT: 1280x768, DFP: 800x600;" |
| [22:05:00] | DonLKSAB: | Identifier or Monitor? |
| [22:05:00] | DonLKSAB: | Ahh thanks |
| [22:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | good luck |
| [22:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm outta here |
| [22:05:00] | DonLKSAB: | Thanks for the help |
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| [22:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or place them in the other way, DFP first |
| [22:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | *p00f* |
| [22:10:00] | dj_segfault: | Hoxer, granting rights on a database is not like rights in the OS. "root" (the OS user) doesn't intrinsically have more permissions to access database tables, etc. |
| [22:10:00] | dj_segfault: | (oops, nevermind) |
| [22:16:00] | juski: | well, here goes nothing... |
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| [22:18:00] | Bio: | hmm. I can't find #knoppmyth, it seems to have disappeared. |
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| [22:20:00] | Krazylegz: | It still exists on Freenode. |
| [22:21:00] | Krazylegz: | laga, DonLKSAB and I are in there. |
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| [22:22:00] | laga: | :) |
| [22:22:00] | DonLKSAB: | Im here but i have given up :-) |
| [22:22:00] | DonLKSAB: | There is no way to get fullscreen on my tv |
| [22:22:00] | ** laga is currently stuck with broken install media ** | |
| [22:23:00] | DonLKSAB: | Im gonna print my XFconfig file and burn it and dans around the flames |
| [22:23:00] | laga: | sounds like a plan |
| [22:24:00] | Bio: | Um, this is freenode isin't it? |
| [22:25:00] | juski: | a few people have been struggling to get mythtv working on a dual monitor setup lately... wonder what the attraction of having a desktop and PVR on the same box is... |
| [22:26:00] | DonLKSAB: | NoNo |
| [22:26:00] | dj_segfault: | I guess so you can just watch the content without shipping it over the network between boxen' |
| [22:26:00] | DonLKSAB: | Projector in the livingroom and LCD TV in the bedroom |
| [22:26:00] | DonLKSAB: | With different resolutions :-) |
| [22:26:00] | juski: | xbox ;) |
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| [22:26:00] | juski: | mac mini ;) |
| [22:27:00] | DonLKSAB: | Yeah |
| [22:27:00] | juski: | any excuse to buy new toys ;) |
| [22:27:00] | DonLKSAB: | New frontend is coming |
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| [22:28:00] | Bio: | /join KnoppMyth -> KnoppMyth That channel doesn't exist |
| [22:29:00] | DonLKSAB: | ./join knoppmyth |
| [22:29:00] | DonLKSAB: | Im in there so it works |
| [22:30:00] | kormoc: | /join #knoppmyth |
| [22:30:00] | DonLKSAB: | Rajt |
| [22:31:00] | kormoc: | you need the # |
| [22:31:00] | DonLKSAB: | Yeah |
| [22:31:00] | Bio: | oh duh... |
| [22:31:00] | ** Bio smacks forehead ** | |
| [22:31:00] | DonLKSAB: | Im running mirc so i use ./j knoppmyth |
| [22:31:00] | beavis: | does anyone work with jhead? |
| [22:32:00] | beavis: | how can i set the exif time -> file date with jhead? |
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| [22:34:00] | MrSpiffy: | msg to GreyFoxx fyi – I found that my via epia M10k works best with tv-out with xorg set to 800x600 then set myth to use 720x480 for playback. seems to be the better of both worlds |
| [22:34:00] | laga: | / |
| [22:34:00] | MrSpiffy: | / |
| [22:35:00] | juski: | my via epia works just fine with 720x576noscale ;) |
| [22:35:00] | MrSpiffy: | juski, cool – I tried for days 720x480Noscale |
| [22:35:00] | MrSpiffy: | not good |
| [22:36:00] | juski: | 720x576 is also ok for me |
| [22:36:00] | MrSpiffy: | flicker gave me a headache |
| [22:36:00] | juski: | ahh interlace flicker.. |
| [22:36:00] | MrSpiffy: | the deflicker option in xorg foobar'd the playback bad |
| [22:37:00] | juski: | seems daft to output interlaced TV, de-interlaced, to a non-interlaced output |
| [22:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | so running the gui at 800x600 fixes the evil flicker and running playback at 720x480 fixes the overscan and position problem I had |
| [22:37:00] | juski: | for a device which is interlaced |
| [22:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | tell me about it |
| [22:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | but it actually hurts without it |
| [22:38:00] | MrSpiffy: | I am, however, using the bob weave options is xorg for the via module |
| [22:38:00] | juski: | I've been planning to test an RGB (VGA) to SCART cable I made up.. just need a bit of time & less exciting things than playing with my dbox lol |
| [22:38:00] | MrSpiffy: | which appears to be working nicely. |
| [22:38:00] | MrSpiffy: | interesting |
| [22:38:00] | MrSpiffy: | this while pc to tv thing is not exactly great |
| [22:39:00] | juski: | yeah... it'd help if the fonts in mythtv were antialiased (or if they already are... interlaced lol) |
| [22:39:00] | MrSpiffy: | maybe someday the good people at the unichrome project will write a utility to set/fix the brightness contrast and adjust the position/overscan options. |
| [22:40:00] | juski: | there's already a util to tune em I think |
| [22:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | currently the overscanning puts the picture in my neighbors yard |
| [22:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | I'm talking about 40+ pixels |
| [22:40:00] | Chutt: | overscan should be 5% or so on all sides |
| [22:40:00] | juski: | get a slider in the setup menu like nvidia-settings |
| [22:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | yeah |
| [22:40:00] | juski: | easy for me to say though |
| [22:40:00] | juski: | my TV overscan is about 10% |
| [22:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | that would be very spiffy |
| [22:41:00] | MrSpiffy: | mine appears to be huge also |
| [22:41:00] | juski: | measured it with Video Essentials |
| [22:41:00] | Chutt: | 40 pixels is about right |
| [22:41:00] | MrSpiffy: | add the unichrome overscan to it and it's in another zip code |
| [22:41:00] | juski: | is this just a frontend machine, MrSpiffy? |
| [22:41:00] | MrSpiffy: | I found that value by how much I tweake the gui size in myth |
| [22:41:00] | MrSpiffy: | juski, yes it is |
| [22:41:00] | juski: | if it is, try minimyth |
| [22:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | juski, I tried that first. didn;t like it |
| [22:42:00] | juski: | I found it less painful than compiling it all from scratch.. the guide I was trying to follow to build the unichrome driver... sheesh |
| [22:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | know what else would be nice? unichrome hardware mpeg4 accelleration :) |
| [22:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | juski, I ended up using a unichrome/fedora repo |
| [22:43:00] | MrSpiffy: | juski, and thank all the gods it was there. |
| [22:43:00] | juski: | ahhh |
| [22:44:00] | MrSpiffy: | http://washington.kelkoo.net/epia/ |
| [22:44:00] | MrSpiffy: | he's pretty much my favorite person in the world right now |
| [22:45:00] | juski: | I bet :) |
| [22:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | I just installed the xorg 6.8.99.900 from there (update) |
| [22:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | very spiffy |
| [22:45:00] | juski: | I wanted a fast booting, diskless solution... works very well, and has a very high WAF |
| [22:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | I did successfully build that pesky via frame buffer kernel module also – I sent it to him with instructions. |
| [22:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | juski, yes – minimyth is good for that. I ended up doing it on FC3 then moving the HD image to my server – went NFS root from that after compiling a kernel with nfs root support in it |
| [22:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | not exactly a fast boot though |
| [22:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | udev takes a long holiday weekend |
| [22:46:00] | juski: | was gonna say lol |
| [22:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | *stupid udev* |
| [22:47:00] | juski: | minimyth is only about 64MB |
| [22:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | the nfs root for this is just under 2G – mostly because of the developer tools installed for compiling. I could shave it down a bit at a later date by removing the devel tools and the kernel source |
| [22:47:00] | juski: | but a little bird told me something about a mythtv distro which is gonna fit on a USB flash device... that'd be cool as er... a very cool thing :D |
| [22:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | that's cool |
| [22:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | I read a little on knopmyth |
| [22:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | but since that rpm repo was there for the unichrome stuff I went that way instead |
| [22:49:00] | juski: | I tried knoppmyth twice.. never ever again... I'd rather wait for gentoo to finish compiling gcc on my EPIA board |
| [22:49:00] | MrSpiffy: | wow |
| [22:49:00] | MrSpiffy: | glad I spared myself then |
| [22:50:00] | juski: | insert CD, boot... backend crashed |
| [22:50:00] | juski: | yay! way to go! |
| [22:50:00] | juski: | (not) |
| [22:50:00] | MrSpiffy: | juski, my pet peave is that there is no bios post or text during boot to s-video on that board. I have to wait for the frame buffer load or xorg to see anything on the TV |
| [22:50:00] | juski: | eh? works fine on my board |
| [22:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | really? |
| [22:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | M10k ? |
| [22:51:00] | juski: | yep |
| [22:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | hmm |
| [22:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | then wtf |
| [22:51:00] | juski: | plug a monitor in |
| [22:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | s-video out? |
| [22:51:00] | juski: | set the BIOS to use CRT only |
| [22:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | displays everything on a monitor – that's how I installed it |
| [22:51:00] | juski: | (and resolution to 800x600) – also in the BIOS |
| [22:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | wait – my board is plugged into a tv only – you say set the bios to crt only? |
| [22:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | res is currently at 800x600 |
| [22:52:00] | juski: | I think that's what mine's set to.. brb |
| [22:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | ok |
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| [22:54:00] | juski: | select displaydevice=tv |
| [22:55:00] | MrSpiffy: | hmm |
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| [22:55:00] | MrSpiffy: | I wonder if our bios is different |
| [22:55:00] | MrSpiffy: | I have mine set to TV (only) |
| [22:55:00] | juski: | NTSC mode? |
| [22:55:00] | MrSpiffy: | one sec |
| [22:55:00] | MrSpiffy: | I'll pull that up (I use the rca jack on the vcr) |
| [22:57:00] | MrSpiffy: | ok |
| [22:57:00] | MrSpiffy: | advanced chipset – set to crt+tv, ntsc, 800x600 |
| [22:58:00] | juski: | set it to 'tv' |
| [22:58:00] | MrSpiffy: | I'll try just "TV" |
| [22:58:00] | juski: | that should do it |
| [22:58:00] | MrSpiffy: | btw – my bios is 1.16 with the dma fix and the lan boot fix. |
| [22:58:00] | MrSpiffy: | one sec |
| [22:59:00] | MrSpiffy: | nope |
| [22:59:00] | MrSpiffy: | nada – still black as night |
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| [23:01:00] | juski: | ahhh bugger... |
| [23:01:00] | juski: | mebbe a bios thing then |
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| [23:03:00] | Bio: | Alrighty, I have theme questions now. |
| [23:04:00] | MrSpiffy: | on the phone with via |
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| [23:07:00] | Bio: | Hmm, there is no way I can have mythMusic running while I'm out in the menus is there? |
| [23:07:00] | kormoc: | that's correct |
| [23:07:00] | juski: | Bio – maybe running 2 mythfrontend processes |
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| [23:08:00] | Bio: | hmm, well that's 1 point for XP-MCE :\ |
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| [23:09:00] | juski: | so that's mythtv 99, MCE 1 lol |
| [23:10:00] | juski: | thing is, Bio.. how many people want to listen to music and watch TV at the same time? |
| [23:10:00] | Bio: | I want to listen to music while I'm working on this theme. |
| [23:11:00] | immolo: | juski – Is there an easy way to use xmltv with dvb? |
| [23:11:00] | juski: | immolo – dead easy |
| [23:11:00] | immolo: | juski- How? |
| [23:11:00] | juski: | go into the channel (or an sql editor) and put the xmltv ID of the channel into the requisite field ;-) |
| [23:11:00] | immolo: | fun :P |
| [23:12:00] | immolo: | where do I find the id? |
| [23:12:00] | juski: | oh gawd |
| [23:12:00] | juski: | which user does your mythfilldatabase run under? |
| [23:12:00] | immolo: | mythuser :P |
| [23:13:00] | juski: | go into your home directory |
| [23:13:00] | juski: | cd to .mythtv |
| [23:13:00] | immolo: | k |
| [23:13:00] | juski: | there'll be a file in there with a .xmltv extension... look in there |
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| [23:28:00] | immolo: | juski- There is no channel number in there |
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| [23:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | juski, you there? |
| [23:42:00] | juski: | immolo – there's no channel number in there :) |
| [23:42:00] | juski: | what's your video source called? |
| [23:43:00] | juski: | the file called <videosource>.xmltv will have the xmltv IDs of the channels you defined when you ran tv_grab_uk_rt --configure (i.e. when you configured it in mythtv-setup.. that thing which opened the terminal session you had to ALT-TAB across to) |
| [23:44:00] | immolo: | yeah it just says channel <website> |
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| [23:44:00] | immolo: | no numbers |
| [23:45:00] | juski: | or else you can look in /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids |
| [23:45:00] | juski: | that's how it works, immolo |
| [23:45:00] | juski: | just goes off the <website> |
| [23:45:00] | immolo: | ah |
| [23:45:00] | immolo: | thanks |
| [23:45:00] | juski: | the <website> is the XMLTV ID ;-) |
| [23:45:00] | immolo: | oh :P |
| [23:46:00] | immolo: | so I just stick in say bbc.co.uk as the ID for bbc1 |
| [23:46:00] | juski: | well in my case (manchester) I put north-west.bbc1.co.uk |
| [23:47:00] | immolo: | yeah mine is south.bbc1.co.uk |
| [23:47:00] | juski: | that's it then |
| [23:47:00] | juski: | it gets kinda confusing for bbc3 & bbc4, and some other channels |
| [23:47:00] | juski: | bbc3 is choice.bbc.co.uk |
| [23:47:00] | juski: | bbc4 is knowledge.bbc.co.uk |
| [23:47:00] | immolo: | lol |
| [23:48:00] | juski: | (old channel names) |
| [23:48:00] | immolo: | yeah I remember bbc choice |
| [23:48:00] | juski: | if all I wanted to watch was BBC3 I wouldn't need to record anything, EVER lol |
| [23:49:00] | immolo: | haha like sky one |
| [23:49:00] | juski: | missed 'the smoking room'? just stay tuned... |
| [23:49:00] | juski: | great for solving conflicts though.. but then so's the 3rd card I'm going to install soon |
| [23:50:00] | immolo: | I've got my second on the way |
| [23:50:00] | juski: | ebay? |
| [23:50:00] | juski: | picked mine up for £16 plus postage last night# |
| [23:51:00] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [23:51:00] | kormoc: | for what card? |
| [23:51:00] | juski: | leadtek Lr6650 |
| [23:51:00] | juski: | conexant ref. design number |
| [23:52:00] | kormoc: | ahh, none mpeg encoder, something I'm glad I'm done with :P |
| [23:52:00] | juski: | blackgold DVB-T card is the same but with analogue video inputs |
| [23:52:00] | juski: | you on HD now, kormoc? |
| [23:52:00] | kormoc: | nopers |
| [23:52:00] | kormoc: | m179 mpeg encoders (== pvr 250) |
| [23:52:00] | immolo: | I got one of those NIB with the coexant chips |
| [23:52:00] | juski: | ahhh |
| [23:54:00] | juski: | I've got some testing to do with the cx88-mpeg driver when I'm done with this dbox2 fiddling |
| [23:56:00] | Bio: | Theme question: Is there a way to make selecting "Videos" on the main menu go straight to the video list instead of the MythVideo menu? |
| [23:58:00] | dougl (n=doug@S0106000c41aebcf9.wp.shawcable.net) Quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [23:58:00] | Bio: | Since I don't use the browser, I removed it from the menu (as to not confuse people) and now it seems silly to select "videos" just to get another menu that just says "Video List". |
| [23:58:00] | juski: | what 'videos' on the main menu? |
| [23:59:00] | juski: | suppose it depends what theme you're talking about |
| [23:59:00] | Bio: | <text>Videos</text><action>PLUGIN mythvideo</action> |
| [23:59:00] | Bio: | that option |
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