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| [00:00:00] | Krazylegz: | That makes some sense. |
| [00:00:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, kernel-devel is not what you need. |
| [00:00:00] | Krazylegz: | schtinky: Which kernel are you on? |
| [00:02:00] | schtinky: | 2.6.11 |
| [00:02:00] | Krazylegz: | Just straight 2.6.11? |
| [00:03:00] | schtinky: | kernel-2.6.11–1.1369_FC4.src.rpm |
| [00:04:00] | schtinky: | that's what I just found |
| [00:04:00] | schtinky: | I'll install it and give the compile another whirl |
| [00:04:00] | schtinky: | I'm on fc4 |
| [00:04:00] | schtinky: | didn't realize that |
| [00:04:00] | schtinky: | same difference, though |
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| [00:05:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, looks like you need kernel-2.6.11–1.1369_FC4.src.rpm . |
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| [00:11:00] | Tanthrix: | Still don't know if that's right, I think it should be kernel-2.6.11-source, not kernel-2.6.11.src.rpm... |
| [00:13:00] | Tanthrix: | Oh, I didn' read what you said about them changing it, weird. |
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| [00:18:00] | schtinky: | still same error |
| [00:19:00] | schtinky: | configure: error: *** you need to have the Linux kernel source installed |
| [00:19:00] | schtinky: | for this driver |
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| [00:20:00] | schtinky: | I did rpm -Uvh kernel-<version>.src.rpm |
| [00:21:00] | schtinky: | yet rpm -qa | grep kernel doesn't show that src. rpm |
| [00:21:00] | schtinky: | is there a different command I can use to verify the src.rpm is installed? |
| [00:21:00] | sskk: | I have a black area in the left side of my recordings, done directly with cat. As if the picture needs to be moved some 50 pixels to the right. Anybody who knows a solution? (pvr-150 tuner card with the newest 0.3.8k ivtv driver – PAL land) |
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| [00:30:00] | Krazylegz: | schtinky: Check /usr/src, make sure that there is a symbolic link named 'linux' that points to the right directory in there. |
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| [00:34:00] | Tanthrix: | It still seems weird that the source would be installed via a src.rpm. |
| [00:34:00] | Krazylegz: | Yes it does. |
| [00:34:00] | Tanthrix: | Src rpms are used to build rpms...not to install the source of a program anywhere |
| [00:35:00] | Tanthrix: | http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php? . . . t=Search+... |
| [00:36:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, I found that too. |
| [00:38:00] | Krazylegz: | Actually, this one seems more appropriate: http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php? . . . m=&arch= . |
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| [01:15:00] | joat: | hmm, not specifically myth-tv related: |
| [01:15:00] | joat: | does anyone know how to make a fx5200 card boot up in a particular video mode |
| [01:15:00] | joat: | for some reason my card defaults to PAL on power-on |
| [01:16:00] | joat: | so I get a hard-to-lock-on greyscale boot screen + console, until I load the nvidia module |
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| [01:20:00] | Kite-: | how long does it usually take to do a one hour show in nuvexport using mpeg->mpeg ? |
| [01:22:00] | nuonguy: | joat: Did you install the nvidia proprietary/binary driver? |
| [01:23:00] | nuonguy: | joat: If you did, you'd have a README in /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA-1.somethintorother/README.something which describes all the relevant options to set PAL/NTSC yada yada yada |
| [01:23:00] | nuonguy: | ( |
| [01:23:00] | nuonguy: | (I'm not at home so I can't give you the whole path) |
| [01:24:00] | joat: | nuonguy, I did install it, and I did set those options |
| [01:24:00] | joat: | they only seem to apply when the module is actually running |
| [01:24:00] | joat: | I'm talking about pre-linux boot |
| [01:24:00] | joat: | after power-on, during the bios and grub screens |
| [01:24:00] | nuonguy: | ah |
| [01:24:00] | joat: | i.e. is there a way to set them in the card's eeprom or something |
| [01:25:00] | nuonguy: | I wish |
| [01:25:00] | nuonguy: | I just figured I'd live with that, much as I hate it |
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| [01:26:00] | joat: | doesn't bother me too bad, although I'll turn off grub's graphical mode after I unhook the montior, but it'd still be nice to do it right |
| [01:26:00] | joat: | a more pressing matter is my apparent breakage of X |
| [01:28:00] | nuonguy: | Care to elaborate? |
| [01:28:00] | nuonguy: | (Not that I know how to fix these things...) |
| [01:28:00] | joat: | if I directly run Xorg, it boots, although with no window manager running, but typing startx now does nothing at all, just sits there (I can type at the console)_ |
| [01:29:00] | joat: | changed all sorts of stuff yesterday and then shut down for the night |
| [01:29:00] | joat: | rebooted today and here we are ... |
| [01:29:00] | joat: | no error messages to google with |
| [01:29:00] | nuonguy: | "All sorts of stuff"? |
| [01:30:00] | joat: | mostly to do with ivtv, I don't remember doing anything directly related to X since switching to nvidia drivers |
| [01:30:00] | joat: | and I've rebooted since then |
| [01:30:00] | nuonguy: | It won't be fun, but can you at least run Xorg -configure? |
| [01:32:00] | nuonguy: | And nothing useful in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| [01:32:00] | joat: | seems to work, then if I follow it's directions, it works just like typing just Xorg did |
| [01:32:00] | joat: | default fat X cursor, grey background, no apps running |
| [01:32:00] | joat: | let me check the log |
| [01:34:00] | joat: | everything looks just fine in there, and X itself works |
| [01:34:00] | nuonguy: | Well then it sounds more like an issue with your xinitrc or something... |
| [01:35:00] | nuonguy: | Have you tried running Xorg with your backup/original xorg.conf file? |
| [01:36:00] | joat: | .xinitrc is just exec startkde |
| [01:36:00] | schtinky: | still working on my problem... I think I have a working kernel tree now, though. lirc 0.7.2 configures, but make craps out saying "In file included from /usr/local/lirc-0.7.2/drivers/lirc_gpio/lirc_gpio.c:53: |
| [01:36:00] | schtinky: | include/../drivers/media/video/bttvp.h:271: error: array type has incomplete element type" |
| [01:36:00] | joat: | startx should start the x server before reading .xinitrc |
| [01:37:00] | schtinky: | then something about dprintk redefined |
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| [01:37:00] | lwizardl: | hi |
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| [01:37:00] | nuonguy: | My X11 fu is weak at best, so you're probably better equipped to debug this than I am |
| [01:38:00] | nuonguy: | So, when I have to hack my xorg.conf file, I make only a change or two at a time and then restart to make sure it works and keep backups |
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| [01:38:00] | lwizardl: | what naming options can i setup for mythtv recordings |
| [01:39:00] | joat: | heh, my X11 fu is mostly non-existant, but startkde bitches about not having an x server |
| [01:40:00] | joat: | so therefore, startx must create the server first |
| [01:40:00] | nuonguy: | So what happens when you put in your original xorg.conf and then restart X? |
| [01:41:00] | joat: | same thing, grey screen with default cursor |
| [01:41:00] | joat: | I dunno how to start it and then run startkde. that's what startx is supposed to do :) |
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| [01:42:00] | Cardoe: | I got my Aria! |
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| [01:42:00] | nuonguy: | So your /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients and xinitrc are not standard? |
| [01:42:00] | nuonguy: | What's an Aria? |
| [01:43:00] | joat: | i have no idea |
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| [01:43:00] | nuonguy: | What distro? |
| [01:43:00] | joat: | I haven't edited Xclients at all, and xinitrc just consists of exec startkde |
| [01:43:00] | joat: | gentoo |
| [01:43:00] | nuonguy: | Mine is a bit more complicated than that |
| [01:43:00] | joat: | startx is a script, and seems to look just fine |
| [01:43:00] | Primer: | Anyone have a hd2000 hdtv card working in Linux 2.6? If so, can you tell me if you had to patch your kernel to make it work? |
| [01:43:00] | joat: | doesn't seem modified since I emerged Xorg |
| [01:44:00] | jonK: | an aria is a solo song performance in an opera |
| [01:44:00] | Cardoe: | Aria is a case |
| [01:44:00] | nuonguy: | ah |
| [01:44:00] | Cardoe: | Antec Aria |
| [01:44:00] | nuonguy: | You have a song, Cardoe? |
| [01:45:00] | lwizardl: | Primer: is that a MyHD Card? |
| [01:45:00] | jonK: | they often express love and dispair |
| [01:45:00] | joat: | xinit works |
| [01:45:00] | joat: | dunno what is wrong with startx, but xinit gives me my soft, warm security blanket of a GUI :) |
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| [01:46:00] | nuonguy: | http://www.antec-inc.com/aria.html ? That's pretty sweet |
| [01:47:00] | Krazylegz: | The quietest PC case in the world. Period. |
| [01:47:00] | Krazylegz: | I'll bet it's not as quiet as mine, because it's OFF! :-) |
| [01:47:00] | joat: | had better be pretty different to shuttles |
| [01:48:00] | joat: | for a case sold explicitly for media PCs, they are monsterously loud |
| [01:49:00] | nuonguy: | Shuttles are loud? |
| [01:49:00] | joat: | the one we have at work is |
| [01:49:00] | Krazylegz: | Maybe they're named after the space shuttle. |
| [01:50:00] | NightMonkey: | joat: My SN41V2G2s and SB65s aren't loud. |
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| [01:51:00] | joat: | I dunno what model it is, just a shuttle case that looks like that aria |
| [01:51:00] | NightMonkey: | joat: I do have mine set to highest fan spin-up temp. |
| [01:51:00] | sphery: | The space shuttle is loud. Every time they launch it my whole house shakes... |
| [01:51:00] | sphery: | :) |
| [01:51:00] | joat: | heh |
| [01:52:00] | joat: | I'd get an antec over a shuttle any day tho |
| [01:52:00] | joat: | every antec case I've dealt with was nice |
| [01:52:00] | NightMonkey: | joat: The aria is large than the shuttles, too. |
| [01:55:00] | NightMonkey: | Ack, don't like this review snippet: "Being on the louder side of quiet makes the Aria less than ideal for a HTPC type application or for anything acoustically sensitive." |
| [01:55:00] | NightMonkey: | http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Re . . . caria/4.html |
| [01:56:00] | NightMonkey: | I do like the "lounge" lights on the front tho ;). |
| [01:58:00] | nuonguy: | Cardoe: Which board are you going to put in it? Which CPU/heatsink? |
| [01:59:00] | nuonguy: | I'm asking cuz I have a board with the big zalman flower on it – would it have room? Somehow I doubt it |
| [02:00:00] | joat: | I love the cnps7000 |
| [02:00:00] | nuonguy: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118112 |
| [02:01:00] | joat: | I can't hear it over the shitty HD I put in this machine |
| [02:01:00] | nuonguy: | cnps7000? |
| [02:01:00] | joat: | zalman flower |
| [02:01:00] | joat: | monster heatsink |
| [02:01:00] | nuonguy: | yeah, that :-! |
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| [02:01:00] | joat: | that's the model for the one I've got |
| [02:02:00] | jonK: | my shuttble sb75s is as loud as the freaking garbage disposal |
| [02:02:00] | NightMonkey: | jonK: Did you adjust the BIOS Fan/temp speed? |
| [02:02:00] | joat: | I got the half copper/half aluminum one because it's only slightly heaver than a cooler should be according to the mobo specs, instead of twice as much (which the cu only one is) |
| [02:02:00] | nuonguy: | joat: Do you think you could get the flower in that case? |
| [02:02:00] | joat: | I have no idea |
| [02:02:00] | joat: | I'm using a 8 year old case I had lying around, with assloads of room in it |
| [02:02:00] | nuonguy: | me too |
| [02:03:00] | joat: | I had to bend the 5 inch drive housing a bit tho, to clear the RAM |
| [02:03:00] | nuonguy: | Mine is fugly, and I had to take the pliers and mangle the back end so the ports at the back of the mobo could be exposted |
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| [02:03:00] | nuonguy: | er, exposed |
| [02:03:00] | Cardoe: | nuonguy: a Genesi board |
| [02:04:00] | NightMonkey: | jonK: ? |
| [02:04:00] | jonK: | yes? |
| [02:04:00] | nuonguy: | Never heard of it |
| [02:04:00] | nuonguy: | Genesi? |
| [02:04:00] | jonK: | i have not |
| [02:05:00] | nuonguy: | Man, myth rawks! |
| [02:05:00] | nuonguy: | Mine is still a wip and already I've got a coupla-three guys who want one, with my help of course |
| [02:06:00] | NightMonkey: | jonK: Was that for me and my question? |
| [02:06:00] | Cardoe: | http://www.pegasosppc.com/ |
| [02:06:00] | Cardoe: | Genesi |
| [02:06:00] | NightMonkey: | jonK: You have not changed the fan speed in your sb75s? |
| [02:06:00] | nuonguy: | joat: do you use that silly dial to adjust the fan speed? |
| [02:07:00] | NightMonkey: | jonK: That would explain why it's so loud... ;) |
| [02:07:00] | joat: | nuon, haven't tried it yet |
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| [02:08:00] | jnc: | hey guys, how would i specify the module options to bttv for multiple bttv cards? |
| [02:08:00] | jnc: | the first card is getting the option, the second card is not |
| [02:08:00] | nuonguy: | I think I'm going to clock my machine down and try it with the fan off – I really want it to be quiet |
| [02:08:00] | jnc: | i don't know how to specify options for the cards each when both are supported by the single bttv module |
| [02:08:00] | nuonguy: | Cardoe: a PPC based mobo, now that's geek kewl! |
| [02:09:00] | lwizardl: | anyone here use one of these type of cards ? http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Video/myhd.asp |
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| [02:09:00] | jonK: | so i can slow it down, through the bios? or is there a variable speed setting? |
| [02:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: I'm thinking about something like this : Have a default recording location value which could be a ":" delimited list of directories |
| [02:09:00] | nuonguy: | Cardoe: Which distro you gonna use? Do you know whether it is supported by Fedora? |
| [02:09:00] | NightMonkey: | jonK: Exactly. |
| [02:09:00] | Cardoe: | nuonguy: didn't we go through this before? |
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| [02:10:00] | paul1: | jnc: usually you put , between options like : -int 4,5 |
| [02:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | by default have myth parse it, check free space and place the next recording on the drive with the most space |
| [02:10:00] | nuonguy: | Cardoe: go through what? |
| [02:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | OR have it round robin |
| [02:10:00] | Cardoe: | nuonguy: what distro |
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| [02:10:00] | sphery: | lwizardl: Doesn't look like there are Linux drivers – http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-528435.html |
| [02:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | It can do some small math based on bitrates to make sure it picks a drive with enough space for the scheduled recording |
| [02:10:00] | jnc: | paul1: ah, thanks. |
| [02:10:00] | jnc: | paul1: i will try that and see |
| [02:11:00] | nuonguy: | Um, I've chatted with a few people, so if we did, then I don't remember... |
| [02:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | Plus you can define a directory that when you schedule a show you can pick as where THAT show is stored |
| [02:11:00] | nuonguy: | Oh you're that gentoo guy! |
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| [02:11:00] | Cardoe: | bingo |
| [02:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | So for instanced "record all simpons and store in /data/video3" |
| [02:11:00] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Sounds pretty nice, but you might want to take local versus network into account, too... |
| [02:11:00] | sphery: | The per-recording rule directory is something I was considering, also. |
| [02:11:00] | ** jnc lurks in the distance, hiding his gentoo hat ** | |
| [02:11:00] | nuonguy: | Cardoe: Do you read /. ? |
| [02:12:00] | Cardoe: | nuonguy: yes |
| [02:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | If not specificdir then roundrobin/mostdiskspace dir |
| [02:12:00] | ** Cardoe proudly wears his Gentoo sombrero. ** | |
| [02:12:00] | sphery: | There should be a nice GUI approach for moving/renaming files, but should also be a way to specify a location. The hard part is determining appropriate fall-back behavior... |
| [02:12:00] | nuonguy: | So you've got thick skin and don't care about all the jabs taken at gentoo there... |
| [02:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: I don't see a need to consider local disk space. |
| [02:13:00] | sphery: | The round-robin also seems to have benefits in that you can use it to minimize concurrent writes on a disk... |
| [02:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | If it's in the list, it's in the list |
| [02:13:00] | NightMonkey: | jnc: Try doing a "modinfo bttv" or other modueles to see what parameters are avaialble. |
| [02:13:00] | ** NightMonkey hearts Gentoo. ** | |
| [02:13:00] | jnc: | NightMonkey: i got that part working for a single card. i think paul1 is correct, the comma is used for multiple instances |
| [02:13:00] | ** paul1 wears Gentoo T-shirt for games only ** | |
| [02:14:00] | jnc: | how do i handle the multiple audio connections coming from the cards? they do not properly support btaudio |
| [02:14:00] | jnc: | so i have a cable from the first card into the line in on sound device |
| [02:14:00] | jnc: | what to do about the 2nd card? |
| [02:14:00] | NightMonkey: | jnc: OK, but if you look at module options via modinfo, you'll learn more... just fyi. |
| [02:14:00] | jnc: | NightMonkey: trust me, i've been there already, it does not mention multiple instances of a hardware device |
| [02:14:00] | NightMonkey: | jnc: My bad. |
| [02:15:00] | jnc: | You're a bad, bad monkey |
| [02:15:00] | ** jnc *snicker* ** | |
| [02:15:00] | Krazylegz: | Spank him. |
| [02:15:00] | jnc: | YESSS! |
| [02:15:00] | clintar: | is this project still being worked on? |
| [02:15:00] | NightMonkey: | Project Spank Monkey? |
| [02:15:00] | paul1: | clintar: always |
| [02:16:00] | jnc: | clintar: to which project does your question refer ? |
| [02:16:00] | clintar: | not the monkey spank one |
| [02:16:00] | NightMonkey: | lol |
| [02:16:00] | paul1: | Free software never dies, it just gets rewriten |
| [02:16:00] | jnc: | clintar: just wanted to clear that up, thanks |
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| [02:16:00] | jnc: | ...or killed off by lawsuits |
| [02:16:00] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, but even now, Myth prefers the use of a local capture card for LiveTV. Seems a good idea... |
| [02:16:00] | clintar: | it's just been a while since last release |
| [02:17:00] | sphery: | Probably not that big of a deal, but something to consider. |
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| [02:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: I would want a seperate settin for the ringbuffer |
| [02:17:00] | clintar: | and since timeshifting livetv over firewire hasn't worked that long, i figure everyone must have given up |
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| [02:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | I should put this down on paper or something |
| [02:18:00] | sphery: | That's what chat logs are for, right? |
| [02:18:00] | sphery: | :) |
| [02:18:00] | NightMonkey: | Has anyone heard much about the state of MythTV on Cygwin? |
| [02:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [02:18:00] | sphery: | Definitely need a separate setting for the ringbuffer. |
| [02:18:00] | jnc: | hahaha |
| [02:18:00] | jnc: | NightMonkey: that's a joke, right? |
| [02:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | NightMonkey: Like 2 people claimed to have done it, other than that nothing |
| [02:18:00] | yiyus: | does anybody know which debian packages i should install? (some of them depends on libqt3c102-mt and the others on libqt3-mt) |
| [02:18:00] | jnc: | yiyus: you have to rebuild mythtv and mythplugins |
| [02:19:00] | jnc: | yiyus: it's not difficult to do, you could privmsg me if you want instructions |
| [02:19:00] | sphery: | Wouldn't want it doing the round-robin or anything for temp recordings (LiveTV). |
| [02:19:00] | NightMonkey: | jnc: No, some folks were working on it about a year ago, IIRC. I'd like my gf's M$ machine to have access, too. |
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| [02:19:00] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: OK, well, I guess that's my answer. |
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| [02:19:00] | jnc: | NightMonkey: i'd sooner see a win32 specific front end written to access the mythtv server |
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| [02:19:00] | clintar: | thought there was something already |
| [02:19:00] | NightMonkey: | jnc: That exists – WinMyth. But it is highly crashy. |
| [02:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | NightMonkey: Other than 1 or 2 people saying they got it working LONG ago, and a few bits of code for directx playing I've not seen any proof of anyone actually doing it, or heard about someone actually succeeding in doing it since |
| [02:20:00] | fatmatt: | yiyus: theres issues with dependencies atm I think, I can't get the plugins to install |
| [02:20:00] | yiyus: | yeah, thats my problem too |
| [02:20:00] | jnc: | paul1: thanks again, that comma did the trick |
| [02:21:00] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: Thanks for the info. |
| [02:21:00] | paul1: | jnc: cool, one point too me |
| [02:21:00] | sphery: | So, GreyFoxx, any ideas on how to allow users to move recordings? I was thinking of starting slowly and adding a manual-move capability (to allow users to mount separate filesystems under their main recordings directory) and working from there... |
| [02:21:00] | fatmatt: | the debs worked about a week ago |
| [02:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Nope. Haven't considered it beyond a perl script |
| [02:21:00] | jnc: | matt is busy |
| [02:21:00] | jnc: | i doubt he has time to rebuild them for unstable |
| [02:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | If support for multi directory setups make it in then it's a moot point |
| [02:22:00] | fatmatt: | I thought the debs were built for unstable? |
| [02:22:00] | jnc: | well, yeah but they are built against qt3-mt *before* the compiler switch |
| [02:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Right now most of my brain cells are devoted to some filtering ideas I'm pondering for the myth protocol and some mythgame meta data stuff :) |
| [02:22:00] | jnc: | when the switch came, the version was reworked to be qt3c102-mt |
| [02:23:00] | fatmatt: | seems to be that the dependencies for the plugins are different and non-compatible with the dependencies for the frontend/backend. |
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| [02:23:00] | fatmatt: | someone said there's a lot of movement in unstable atm anyway, so thats probably where the issues arose |
| [02:23:00] | jnc: | fatmatt: simply doing 'apt-get install fakeroot; apt-get build-dep mythtv; apt-get source mythtv; cd mythtv-0.18; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' will get you new debs that work |
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| [02:23:00] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Cool. So, you'd be /the/ Greg of MythGame? |
| [02:24:00] | jnc: | fatmatt: be warned though, mythtv packages and source for 0.18 do not have MythGame |
| [02:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Yeahm that's me |
| [02:24:00] | jnc: | speak of the devil |
| [02:24:00] | fatmatt: | I've never been able to get mythgame to work |
| [02:24:00] | jnc: | GreyFoxx: are you a debian user, par any chance? Matt (mdz) has like no time to spend mantaining it for debian |
| [02:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's a different beast now (svn versions). |
| [02:24:00] | jnc: | i mean of course the debian mythplugins and mythgame |
| [02:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | jnc: No. Slackware |
| [02:24:00] | jnc: | oh okay |
| [02:25:00] | nuonguy: | I just louououve the fact that there are so many different distros |
| [02:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | nuonguy: heh |
| [02:25:00] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: You and crew have been busy lately. Lot of good work on MythGame. I'm starting to take heat for not having figured out how to re-configure it to work after the changes, but that's a project for another day. :) |
| [02:25:00] | nuonguy: | Seriously, I think this kind of diversity is just so good for the community |
| [02:26:00] | jnc: | GreyFoxx: which romset would you say is known to work? |
| [02:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: It's MUCH more flexible now. That "wrong version of xmame" stuff use to annoy me |
| [02:26:00] | nuonguy: | So even the gentoo users are really hard to live with, I still like the gentoo distro :-) |
| [02:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | jnc: What do you mean by "romset" ? |
| [02:27:00] | jnc: | GreyFoxx: i've seen rom sets tagged for various versions of mame |
| [02:27:00] | Krazylegz: | *ahem* Gentoo user here... |
| [02:27:00] | sphery: | Yeah. Having Myth tied to a particular version of MAME was not cool. The changes needed to be made, but I just haven't had time to figure out all the command-lines, etc. |
| [02:27:00] | jnc: | that might not make sense |
| [02:27:00] | jnc: | stupid mame command lines changing all the time |
| [02:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | jnc: Ahhh. I rarely use mame actually. I tend to stick to the old snes games mostly hehe |
| [02:27:00] | jnc: | right on |
| [02:28:00] | jnc: | zelda 4 evah! |
| [02:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | jnc: That nolonger "breaks" mythgame or requires code changes to support |
| [02:29:00] | ** sphery awards GreyFoxx the "Master of Multiple Concurrent Conversations" award ** | |
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| [02:29:00] | jnc: | GreyFoxx: is a release imminent? |
| [02:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: heh I've been IRCing for a long time |
| [02:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | jnc: Nothing soon I don't think |
| [02:30:00] | jnc: | okay |
| [02:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | BUT please use svn! help us test! |
| [02:30:00] | lane: | Hi all. Anybody know xris is around? |
| [02:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | and take advantage of changes and bug fixes now without waiting :) |
| [02:30:00] | nuonguy: | GreyFoxx: I think I'm going to do that when I re-install |
| [02:30:00] | jnc: | GreyFoxx: i have to figure out how to do that without pissing off this debian testing install ;) |
| [02:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [02:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | nuonguy: Coolstuff |
| [02:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | if you are a dvb user svn might be a little unstable, but if not then it should be pretty stable |
| [02:31:00] | jnc: | my goal for the current hardware i'm putting together is a repeatable media center solution |
| [02:31:00] | jnc: | nope, two bttv cards here |
| [02:31:00] | nuonguy: | dvb? As in digital video broadcast? Not me |
| [02:32:00] | lane: | oops... that's "if xris is around" – more precisely if anyone knows if he's planning to be back online tonight. I've got an nuvexport problem I'd like to ask him about. |
| [02:32:00] | jnc: | which btw what would you suggest i do about the lack of btaudio function? i've got a short 3.5mm cable running from the first ATI TV Wonder VE card into my audio device's LINE IN, but i don't know what to do about the 2nd ATI TV Wonder VE card's audio out? |
| [02:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | lane: Divide by zero ? :) |
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| [02:33:00] | lane: | nope – "Use of uninitialized value in pattern match" |
| [02:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | I thyink that leads to the crash |
| [02:33:00] | lane: | DVD.pm line 136 |
| [02:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or at least it does when outputting to xvid and such |
| [02:33:00] | lane: | oooh |
| [02:34:00] | lane: | you're right – there is a divide by zero error at the end of the trace |
| [02:34:00] | sphery: | jnc: do you have a second soundcard? |
| [02:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | Only happens if you have a single recording of a particular title. If you have multiple it doesn't happen |
| [02:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | he's going to look into it later |
| [02:34:00] | lane: | hmm. that's interesting |
| [02:34:00] | ** GreyFoxx goes to dish up a late supper ** | |
| [02:34:00] | lane: | I just redid my box and I did a solo recording of something to make sure the exporting still worked |
| [02:35:00] | lane: | GreyFoxx: thanks for the tip |
| [02:35:00] | lane: | I'll try it with something where I've got multiple |
| [02:35:00] | fatmatt: | jnc : Skipping unpack of already unpacked source in mythtv-0.18.1 |
| [02:35:00] | fatmatt: | bash: cd: mythtv-0.18: No such file or directory |
| [02:35:00] | fatmatt: | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| [02:35:00] | fatmatt: | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is |
| [02:35:00] | fatmatt: | just a sec, wrong line |
| [02:36:00] | fatmatt: | jnc: Build-dependencies for mythtv could not be satisfied. |
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| [02:42:00] | lane: | Another question: Is there anywhere other than /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log that mythbackend would log output to? I'm starting mythbackend in /etc/rc.local, and I'm not getting any logging that I can find. |
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| [02:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | lane: It logs if/where you set -l / --logfile to |
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| [02:43:00] | lane: | right – didn't realize I had to manually set that flag. I've always just used the myth service that comes with the fedora package |
| [02:43:00] | lane: | I'll try that |
| [02:44:00] | k-man__: | is there somewher I can see keys.txt online? |
| [02:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | k-man__: www.phaze.org/mythtv/keys.txt |
| [02:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | I keep a copy there |
| [02:44:00] | k-man__: | ah |
| [02:45:00] | k-man__: | tahnks GreyFoxx |
| [02:45:00] | k-man__: | it might be nice to have a grid layout of the keys |
| [02:45:00] | k-man__: | with key on the y axis and mythtv mode on the X axis |
| [02:45:00] | k-man__: | and function in the cross reference cells |
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| [02:49:00] | lane: | GreyFoxx: That did it for the logging. |
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| [02:52:00] | paulc38: | Anyone here have debian/unstable/kde? I'm having difficulty getting mythtv to install as it depends on packages that conflict with packages kde depends on! |
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| [02:57:00] | paulc38: | anyone use debian here? |
| [02:58:00] | yiyus: | common problem, the repo is not updated (i came here with the same question, dont ask me to solve it...) |
| [02:59:00] | yiyus: | it looks like you can rebuild your packages FYI |
| [02:59:00] | paulc38: | what's "repo"? |
| [02:59:00] | yiyus: | debian repository |
| [03:00:00] | paulc38: | oh..isn't it the mythtv repo that is the problem? It's separate from the debian repo, right? |
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| [03:01:00] | yiyus: | the problem is half of the packages require libqt3-mt and the other half libqt3c102-mt, and they conflict |
| [03:01:00] | lwizardl: | what's the best place to find server cases (not towers or rack cases) |
| [03:01:00] | xris: | lwizardl: what's a server case that is neither tower nor rackmount? |
| [03:01:00] | paulc38: | I like supermicro stuff. Have a nice tower/board from them, but they have everything |
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| [03:02:00] | xris: | paulc38: supermicro is good. esp since they'll be putting out amd boards soon |
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| [03:02:00] | paulc38: | yiyus: I know, I was just wondering if the mythtv people are working on converting... |
| [03:03:00] | paulc38: | xris: I've had absolutely no complaints on my superm board...almost 2 years old now. Very sweet... |
| [03:03:00] | lwizardl: | xris: I like the server cube style cases not the normal tower look |
| [03:03:00] | paulc38: | oh..I don't think superm has any of those..but check them out to be sure |
| [03:03:00] | xris: | lwizardl: you mean like a shuttle? those aren't server cases. |
| [03:03:00] | lwizardl: | xris: nope sec |
| [03:03:00] | xris: | paulc38: we use supermicro almost exclusively at work (siliconmechanics.com) |
| [03:04:00] | xris: | FAR more reliable than other manufacturers |
| [03:04:00] | lwizardl: | xris: this is a mac one, but i've seen some for atx windows/linux cases http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/SonofFrank . . . nkenmac.html |
| [03:04:00] | xris: | pretty sure google is a supermicro house, too. |
| [03:04:00] | Cardoe: | supermicro for what? |
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| [03:05:00] | xris: | lwizardl: holy crap, that's like a mini-computer... |
| [03:05:00] | lwizardl: | xris: after reading more that is a pc case |
| [03:05:00] | xris: | Cardoe: motherboards for the storage servers, and a platform (mobo + case) for the 1u stuff |
| [03:05:00] | xris: | lwizardl: yes. which is why I said "like" |
| [03:05:00] | Cardoe: | ah |
| [03:05:00] | lwizardl: | xris: yes thats what i want. but lowest I found them was $220 |
| [03:05:00] | xris: | imho UGLY. |
| [03:06:00] | Cardoe: | I just got an Aria for my Genesi machine |
| [03:06:00] | xris: | and unnecessary. |
| [03:06:00] | xris: | it's just like two towers bolted together |
| [03:06:00] | Cardoe: | http://www.pegasosppc.com/pegasos.php |
| [03:06:00] | paulc38: | I got my machine from swt.com ...small shop that does linux machines..good stuff |
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| [03:06:00] | lwizardl: | xris: I just don't like the idea of only 1–2 drives in most of the htpc cases i've seen |
| [03:07:00] | xris: | wait, you want something like that for your htpc?!?! |
| [03:07:00] | lwizardl: | xris: yes |
| [03:07:00] | joat: | each hard drive adds noise |
| [03:07:00] | joat: | if you want an assload of storage, build a storage server somewhere else and use GigE to connect to it |
| [03:07:00] | xris: | lwizardl: but you don't want a tower? |
| [03:07:00] | xris: | could easily get a big tower case with enough room for half a dozen drives (or more) |
| [03:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | lwizardl: Setup a backend packed with drives, anda "pretty" setup case just for a frontend ? |
| [03:08:00] | xris: | you'd only need something THAT big if you wanted dozens of drives. |
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| [03:08:00] | xris: | but for any big case like that, you'll pay a couple hundred. server cases aren't cheap. |
| [03:08:00] | lwizardl: | xris: I plan on doing HD & SD recording |
| [03:08:00] | xris: | lwizardl: and? |
| [03:08:00] | lwizardl: | last time I looked movies like underworld was 10gb for a 2hr movie |
| [03:08:00] | xris: | what will 24 drives give you that 6 won't? |
| [03:09:00] | de-v-: | hd is 9gig an hour |
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| [03:10:00] | xris: | lwizardl: listen to GreyFoxx... if you're spending that much, set yourself up with a nice big backend machine... lots of drives, raid, etc. will cost you $2–3k for a good box... |
| [03:10:00] | xris: | then get a small quiet frontend ($500–1000). |
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| [03:10:00] | lwizardl: | and have the backend do the caps? |
| [03:10:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | Actually you're better off with FC if you need huge bandwidth to disk (multiple simultaneous hdtv streams) |
| [03:10:00] | xris: | lwizardl: that's what the backend does. |
| [03:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | lwizardl: yeah |
| [03:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | feed them over the network to the frontend (or multiple frontends if you like) |
| [03:11:00] | lwizardl: | ok then i might as well just use a xbox for the front end |
| [03:11:00] | xris: | lwizardl: xbox can't do hd |
| [03:11:00] | xris: | need at *least* a 2Ghz proc |
| [03:11:00] | xris: | or an epia with hardware mpeg decoding |
| [03:11:00] | lwizardl: | i know that but for setup record etc its work |
| [03:11:00] | xris: | that sentence made no sense |
| [03:12:00] | de-v-: | heh |
| [03:12:00] | lwizardl: | err it should work |
| [03:12:00] | de-v-: | not if you're playing hdtv on the frontend it wont |
| [03:12:00] | de-v-: | docs recommend 2.2ghz min xbox is 750mhz |
| [03:12:00] | xris: | xbox can't handle HD playback |
| [03:13:00] | xris: | period (or so I've been told by people who actually own one) |
| [03:13:00] | lwizardl: | yeah. but you can change the cpu on the xbox to a 1.5 |
| [03:13:00] | lwizardl: | yes the xbox doesn't like hd videos |
| [03:13:00] | lwizardl: | i can agree with that (tried it) |
| [03:13:00] | jemarcks: | xris, hey... i need you for a second |
| [03:13:00] | geoff_: | has anyone tried HD on a mac mini frontend? |
| [03:13:00] | de-v-: | negative |
| [03:13:00] | geoff_: | jusat wondering if it will cut it |
| [03:13:00] | xris: | jemarcks: ? |
| [03:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | Man, those supermicro cases look nifty |
| [03:14:00] | xris: | which ones? I like their dual xeon workstation ones. heh. |
| [03:14:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | supermicro cases/barebone rack boxes are actually quite nice |
| [03:14:00] | xris: | but beastly, they be. |
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| [03:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | looking at the 4u sc743 right now |
| [03:14:00] | xris: | ip_goat_rodeo: yup. we build hundreds monthly. |
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| [03:15:00] | geoff_: | for that matter, has anyone tried hd on ANY mac frontend? |
| [03:15:00] | xris: | geoff_: sorry. mac frontend barely runs for me with SD |
| [03:16:00] | xris: | need a better build, I think |
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| [03:16:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | We have I think 8 or 10 of the supermicro barebones rack systems in production. We were using the IBM 1U opteron boxen before. |
| [03:17:00] | xris: | ip_goat_rodeo: supermicro will be releasing opteron platforms in the next few months. |
| [03:18:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | the new sun 939-opterons don't look that bad either |
| [03:18:00] | de-v-: | we used to use supermircros, but our ratio of good servers to doa was not very good |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | can't wait. no more crappy tyan boards with HORRID airflow because of things like power connectors in the center of the mobo |
| [03:18:00] | de-v-: | so we did some partnership deal with hp to do dlxxx, much better |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | ip_goat_rodeo: it's all about support... thus, my company rocks. |
| [03:18:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | well, support and leasability were why we were on IBMs |
| [03:18:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | can't fault IBM for their support |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | ip_goat_rodeo: huh? can lease anything you want if you get a good leasing company. |
| [03:19:00] | de-v-: | oh, you guys wont work at hosting companies hehe |
| [03:19:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | not in japan |
| [03:19:00] | de-v-: | who needs support?!? ;) |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | de-v-: huh? |
| [03:19:00] | de-v-: | s/wont/dont |
| [03:19:00] | geoff_: | xris: What mac are you running on? |
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| [03:19:00] | xris: | geoff_: mini |
| [03:19:00] | de-v-: | i work at datapipe.com |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | it's at work. haven't messed with it recently |
| [03:19:00] | de-v-: | we go through *alot* of hardware. |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | de-v-: we sell to plenty of hosting companies |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | infopop being the one that comes to mind now |
| [03:19:00] | de-v-: | ah |
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| [03:20:00] | geoff_: | xris: I guess that is a no then on HD on the mini.... what build are you on? |
| [03:20:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | in japan if it isn't name-brand equipment no leasy-leasy |
| [03:20:00] | xris: | but a lot of our stuff is higher-end and/or higher-volume ($250k rack for MIT, monthly racks to secondlife.com, etc) |
| [03:20:00] | Wizard_Guest: | anyone know anything about AMD64's? |
| [03:20:00] | xris: | geoff_: like I said, I haven't tried in months... |
| [03:21:00] | geoff_: | xris: lol, sorry, I didn't catch thaat |
| [03:21:00] | de-v-: | hope supermicro increased their quality of product these days ;) |
| [03:21:00] | Wizard_Guest: | thinking about going w/ a new processor, and was wondering how fast i would need to go |
| [03:21:00] | de-v-: | they used to be crap. |
| [03:21:00] | xris: | de-v-: they've been great for the 3+ years I've worked there. |
| [03:21:00] | geoff_: | xris: when you get a chance (if you aare bored), check out my mac builds http://willamette.edu/~gkruse/myth |
| [03:22:00] | xris: | they have some qc issues with their bios releases, but we catch that before shipping to the customer (downgrading when necessary) |
| [03:22:00] | xris: | geoff_: well, mac is no longer on my desk at work... |
| [03:22:00] | xris: | maybe once my wife's new ibook shows up. |
| [03:22:00] | de-v-: | hrm, was a few years ago we switched. dont remember when though. the years just meld into each other. hehe. |
| [03:22:00] | geoff_: | xris: :( too bad |
| [03:22:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | btw, we had real bad experience getting the real low-depth 1u supermicro p4 rack systems up and running. |
| [03:22:00] | geoff_: | xris: sounds good |
| [03:22:00] | xris: | de-v-: I know how that feels |
| [03:23:00] | xris: | ip_goat_rodeo: yeah, dunno. we use specific platforms, definitely not all available. |
| [03:23:00] | Wizard_Guest: | anyone think a new AMD64 3800+ X2 is a bad purchase? |
| [03:23:00] | Wizard_Guest: | if I'm going w/ 4 tuners |
| [03:23:00] | xris: | Wizard_Guest: just the cpu? horrible purchase. |
| [03:23:00] | xris: | you'd need a motherboard, too. |
| [03:23:00] | xris: | ;) |
| [03:23:00] | Wizard_Guest: | wel, I'd need a MB also ;) |
| [03:24:00] | xris: | and "which 4 tuners?" |
| [03:24:00] | Wizard_Guest: | well, 1 500, Nexus-s, and a PCHDTV3000 |
| [03:24:00] | xris: | you might want to look at the pci bus of the board you get. |
| [03:24:00] | Wizard_Guest: | more than likely wouldn't record on all 4 at once |
| [03:24:00] | xris: | I don't know if the a64 boards have a shared bus like the p4 stuff does |
| [03:25:00] | xris: | otherwise, it sounds like a fine choice |
| [03:25:00] | Wizard_Guest: | what speed would I need do you think? |
| [03:25:00] | xris: | not speed... it's about maxing out the bus bandwidth |
| [03:25:00] | de-v-: | hdtv is intense :D |
| [03:25:00] | Wizard_Guest: | ahh, ok |
| [03:25:00] | xris: | should be fine, though. I think the issue in the past has been more with raw video from software-encoder cards. |
| [03:26:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | I am going out to buy a 3800 x2 this week for my new myth box |
| [03:26:00] | Wizard_Guest: | what board you going to go w/?? |
| [03:26:00] | Wizard_Guest: | Do you guys think a Asus, or MSI board? |
| [03:26:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | haven't quite decided on that yet |
| [03:26:00] | Wizard_Guest: | I've had both before |
| [03:26:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | mobo is only thing I haven't specced out yet |
| [03:26:00] | xris: | Wizard_Guest: I have mixed feelings about asus |
| [03:27:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | silverstone model-13 case (brushed aluminum) |
| [03:27:00] | Wizard_Guest: | VERY nice case |
| [03:27:00] | ** xris likes the lc-11 ** | |
| [03:27:00] | Wizard_Guest: | ip, where you going to get the processor at? |
| [03:28:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | wherever is cheapest in akihabara |
| [03:28:00] | ** ip_goat_rodeo checks sakharov page ** | |
| [03:29:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | which looks to be around 42,500–43,000 yen |
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| [03:30:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | About $385 US |
| [03:31:00] | Wizard_Guest: | xris, I got a LC-11 |
| [03:31:00] | Wizard_Guest: | all brushed |
| [03:31:00] | Wizard_Guest: | nice case |
| [03:31:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | silverstone cases seem to be very popular among the myth crowd |
| [03:31:00] | Wizard_Guest: | but only fits a mini-ATX |
| [03:31:00] | Wizard_Guest: | so I only got 2 cards in there now |
| [03:32:00] | Wizard_Guest: | I NEED A BIGGER CASE!!! |
| [03:32:00] | xris: | ip_goat_rodeo: hard to find a good htpc case. |
| [03:32:00] | de-v-: | my mini-atx has burned out 2 250's now |
| [03:32:00] | xris: | Wizard_Guest: lc-11 should be for frontend only |
| [03:32:00] | Wizard_Guest: | yeah |
| [03:32:00] | xris: | but I have an asus pundit. same problem |
| [03:32:00] | xris: | but I only have one tuner to plug into (plus air2pc), so that's fine by me. |
| [03:33:00] | xris: | at least until Dish decides to let me plug directly into their dvb stream |
| [03:33:00] | de-v-: | its just way to close to put the cards, so i have a new case midtower, for the backend. gonna use the miniatx for a frontend only |
| [03:33:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | I was going to go with something from shuttle but that limits me to a single tuner board. |
| [03:33:00] | de-v-: | make a seperate backend |
| [03:33:00] | xris: | ip_goat_rodeo: shuttles are loud, too |
| [03:33:00] | xris: | well, high-putched |
| [03:33:00] | xris: | s/putched/pitched/ |
| [03:34:00] | mchou: | bah, just go with std atx |
| [03:34:00] | de-v-: | use like a p3 1ghz for a frontend, just a heatsink, only a drive as noise |
| [03:34:00] | mchou: | the larger the better :) |
| [03:34:00] | mchou: | ventilation wise |
| [03:34:00] | de-v-: | for backend definitely |
| [03:34:00] | mchou: | withing reason :) |
| [03:34:00] | xris: | de-v-: p3 can't play hd (not that I have hdtv) |
| [03:34:00] | de-v-: | right, would have to be for sd |
| [03:34:00] | mchou: | I use a P2 450 for backend only |
| [03:34:00] | mchou: | cant be heard |
| [03:35:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | how well do epia m10000 do for non-hd frontend? I can probably score one of those for free. |
| [03:35:00] | mchou: | have to look at led to tell if it's on :) |
| [03:35:00] | mchou: | ip_goat_rodeo: epia's are not worthwhile. |
| [03:35:00] | de-v-: | my backend will be in my computer room so i dont care how loud it is with its raid5 900gig array heh |
| [03:35:00] | mchou: | PITA |
| [03:36:00] | de-v-: | the women watches way too much tv |
| [03:36:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | unfortunately no antenna access in my server area |
| [03:36:00] | de-v-: | woman. |
| [03:36:00] | mchou: | de-v-: you got women? lucky you :) |
| [03:36:00] | de-v-: | hehe yeah i wish, weed giving me crazy thoughts |
| [03:36:00] | de-v-: | fruidian slip :D |
| [03:36:00] | defaultro: | hey mchou |
| [03:36:00] | mchou: | hey defaultro |
| [03:37:00] | mchou: | watch House? |
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| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | not yet, been very busy |
| [03:37:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | Wonder if I'm gonna be able to stream hd from home to work once my FTTH gets upgraded. |
| [03:37:00] | mchou: | defaultro: the answer to the other Q is no. |
| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | did you see my priv msg to you? |
| [03:37:00] | elarkin: | anyone use the microsoft media center remote (phillips) with an lircrc file they can shoot to me please |
| [03:37:00] | mchou: | no PM right now |
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| [03:39:00] | mchou: | defaultro: I dunno, house is starting to get old for me |
| [03:39:00] | mchou: | no longer as interesting as last season. |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | :) |
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| [03:40:00] | mchou: | I thought the season premier was going to be more exciting..... |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | i actually added a new show but i forgot the title |
| [03:40:00] | mchou: | defaultro: gilmore girls? :) |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | might be |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | girls next door |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | UFC |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | but it's scrambled :( |
| [03:41:00] | mchou: | bah |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | i was hoping there was a software based descrambl |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [03:41:00] | mchou: | there is but you'd have to be in Europe :) |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | pal right |
| [03:42:00] | mchou: | yup |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | i know that |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | there is another one but project died down on the same year |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | 1999 for kernel 2.4 |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | and output was b/w |
| [03:43:00] | defaultro: | i think, i should search the country w/ the maple flag :) |
| [03:44:00] | elarkin: | anyone know if there is an lirc channel? |
| [03:44:00] | mchou: | yup. but it's dead over there :) |
| [03:44:00] | elarkin: | yea i was in there and chanserv only bot in there ( |
| [03:44:00] | defaultro: | :) |
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| [03:45:00] | elarkin: | guess im lazy only spent 3 weeks getting my myth box running heh now i just want it allt o work right |
| [03:45:00] | mchou: | anyone here have a MSI Neo2 platinum? |
| [03:46:00] | defaultro: | is it a mobo? |
| [03:47:00] | mchou: | yeah, it's a mobo. 939 |
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| [03:47:00] | defaultro: | wow, you got one? |
| [03:47:00] | mchou: | think I can score a couple for <50 |
| [03:47:00] | mchou: | but the board looks crazy..... |
| [03:47:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:48:00] | mchou: | wanted some feedback on it b4 I go ahead and get one. |
| [03:48:00] | mchou: | MSI's are usually lemons..... |
| [03:49:00] | elarkin: | i got a k8n neo |
| [03:49:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | I have the original neo platinum 754-based one |
| [03:49:00] | elarkin: | pretty solid so far |
| [03:49:00] | elarkin: | i use 90% MSI stuff |
| [03:49:00] | mchou: | elarkin: what socket is that |
| [03:50:00] | elarkin: | 939 |
| [03:50:00] | elarkin: | was the very first sli board |
| [03:50:00] | mchou: | elarkin: so you like yours? Is that the one where the RAM is "on top" of the mobo? |
| [03:51:00] | elarkin: | i have 5 MSI mainboards, and 4 nvidia MSI video cards, my only complaint is the poor fans they use |
| [03:51:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | Avoid Gigabyte, having bad luck with the k8ns-nxp939 |
| [03:51:00] | mchou: | ip_goat_rodeo: really?? |
| [03:51:00] | defaultro: | i'm using gigabyte for almost 9 months now without issues |
| [03:51:00] | mchou: | Gigabyte supposed reputable |
| [03:51:00] | defaultro: | but not 939 though |
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| [03:52:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | can't get either the onboard gige or the onboard fast ether to work under freebsd |
| [03:52:00] | mchou: | ip_goat_rodeo: what phy is on it? |
| [03:52:00] | mchou: | marvell? |
| [03:52:00] | elarkin: | mchou: no its next to the processor |
| [03:53:00] | elarkin: | mine has a marvell and i dont like but have not used it much |
| [03:53:00] | mchou: | I dunno, marvell seems to work fine for me usine forcdeth |
| [03:53:00] | mchou: | using* |
| [03:53:00] | elarkin: | my k8n is winblowze though |
| [03:54:00] | mchou: | there are othe phys that linux dont even support yet, like cicada, iirc. |
| [03:54:00] | k-man__: | when watching a recording, how do you get the the epg to schedule a recording? |
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| [03:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | k-man__: You pause the recording, bookmark your spot, exit and go to the program mguide :) |
| [03:55:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: exactly :) |
| [03:55:00] | k-man__: | oh |
| [03:55:00] | k-man__: | is there no way to just bring up the epg? |
| [03:55:00] | k-man__: | seems a bit long winded |
| [03:55:00] | mchou: | sure you can bring up the epg |
| [03:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't think there is when watching arecording |
| [03:56:00] | mchou: | but then you'd have to watch the recording again :) |
| [03:57:00] | k-man__: | mchou, hmmm... |
| [03:57:00] | k-man__: | well... i think you should be able to schedule a recording while watching a recording... |
| [03:57:00] | k-man__: | where is the feature suggestion page? |
| [03:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | k-man__: submit your patch and we'll look it over |
| [03:57:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | the gigabyte I have is marvell phy on the gige, still looking for the fast ether info |
| [03:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | (but I agree with you) :) |
| [03:57:00] | k-man__: | GreyFoxx, thats the only way? |
| [03:58:00] | k-man__: | GreyFoxx, are you one of the devs? |
| [03:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | k-man__: It's the most likely to get it implemented |
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| [03:58:00] | k-man__: | GreyFoxx, does my feature sound difficult to implement |
| [03:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | k-man__: I guess you call me that |
| [03:58:00] | k-man__: | i have never really looked at the mythtv code |
| [03:58:00] | mchou: | bah, good luck getting the epg to show up on OSD :) |
| [03:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | k-man__: I've not looked at that particular bit of the code. I wouldn't expect it to be hard sine it's already there during live tvc |
| [03:59:00] | mchou: | especially when xvmc is in use :) |
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| [03:59:00] | k-man__: | what is xvmc? |
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| [03:59:00] | mchou: | google is your friend |
| [03:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | hardware accelerators mpeg decompression |
| [04:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | nvidia cards /drivers can take up some of the mpeg decompression work from the cpu |
| [04:00:00] | elarkin: | what do you guys use for your desktops? im running kde 3.4 |
| [04:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | elarkin: IceWM |
| [04:00:00] | elarkin: | lowcost easy to use? |
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| [04:00:00] | elarkin: | i was gonna go E17 on my gentoo system |
| [04:00:00] | elarkin: | lowcost as in memory usage |
| [04:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | Depend on you. I don't want my system to try and emulator MS Windows |
| [04:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | man I have worse grammar than usual tonight |
| [04:01:00] | ** GreyFoxx drinks some pop to wake up his brain cells ** | |
| [04:01:00] | elarkin: | heh for me i just call i bad typing |
| [04:01:00] | elarkin: | i = it |
| [04:01:00] | elarkin: | see =) |
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| [04:02:00] | elarkin: | this is why i never learned to code, casue i never learned to type |
| [04:03:00] | kormoc: | elarkin, I use xfce4 |
| [04:03:00] | ** GreyFoxx watches the final results of Canadian Idol oooooohhh exciting ** | |
| [04:03:00] | elarkin: | kor how do you like it ? |
| [04:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | xfce4 is nice. I use it on one of my machines |
| [04:04:00] | kormoc: | elarkin, I love it, my fav wm by far |
| [04:04:00] | elarkin: | what login manager you use? xfce? |
| [04:04:00] | kormoc: | text terminal |
| [04:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | same here |
| [04:04:00] | elarkin: | been messing with linux for over 10 years now and im still a newb |
| [04:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't want my machines to automatically launch X |
| [04:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | except for the mythtv frontends which I launch via an init script |
| [04:04:00] | OrionUser: | I will probably be killed/flamed for asking, but I have a question for anyone willing to answer |
| [04:05:00] | elarkin: | well my wife may use this box every now and then so it would just be easier than explaining |
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| [04:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | elarkin: I can understand that |
| [04:05:00] | kormoc: | elarkin, you can use any login manager with xfce |
| [04:05:00] | elarkin: | ill have to try it, so far so good with myth kde though im boarder line on the 512 meg and perf is still good. |
| [04:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | elarkin: Is it a dedicated myth box, or a desktop as well ? |
| [04:06:00] | elarkin: | dedicate myth |
| [04:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Then kde is a big waste |
| [04:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Waste of memory and cpu cycles |
| [04:06:00] | mchou: | 512 is plenty for kde. |
| [04:06:00] | elarkin: | but... i use firefox on sundays to monitor my fantasy football. |
| [04:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | going with a smaller window manager is a good idea |
| [04:07:00] | ** GreyFoxx now has the Canadian Idol results and can go to sleep ** | |
| [04:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [04:08:00] | elarkin: | ill check it out, i just got it all up and running... sorta after 3 weeks so im gonna limit my changes for a bit. |
| [04:08:00] | elarkin: | atleast till i get a dd off |
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| [04:11:00] | elarkin: | is there nuv viewer for windows? |
| [04:13:00] | PatrickDK: | yes |
| [04:14:00] | PatrickDK: | what kind of capture card your using? |
| [04:14:00] | elarkin: | im using pvr 500 mce with ivtv |
| [04:14:00] | PatrickDK: | no need for nuv for windows |
| [04:14:00] | PatrickDK: | it's just a mpeg2 file |
| [04:17:00] | sphery: | OrionUser: someone scare you away? ;) |
| [04:17:00] | elarkin: | hmmm thought it was the video card but my output to video is noisey |
| [04:19:00] | NightMonkey: | And so the ".nuv" is not a nuv file insanity begins again... ;) |
| [04:19:00] | NightMonkey: | I should say "not always a nuv file", rather. |
| [04:20:00] | sphery: | NightMonkey: But only until 0.19... |
| [04:20:00] | sphery: | :) |
| [04:20:00] | Agrajag-: | you may need this http://dsmyth.sourceforge.net/ to play a nuv file when it really is a nuv file (perhaps) :P |
| [04:20:00] | PatrickDK: | hehe |
| [04:20:00] | PatrickDK: | sorry :( |
| [04:20:00] | NightMonkey: | sphery: Oh, that's good news! |
| [04:21:00] | Agrajag-: | err where'd you get that from sphery? |
| [04:21:00] | sphery: | SVN--as of last night--uses ".mpg" unless the file is actually a .nuv |
| [04:21:00] | Agrajag-: | oh yeah |
| [04:21:00] | sphery: | Chutt/gigem have been busy. |
| [04:21:00] | Agrajag-: | i thought you were saying that there was no more nuv :) |
| [04:21:00] | NightMonkey: | I checked Trac a few days ago and it looks like theres still a few bugs to work out before 0.19 is released. |
| [04:22:00] | Agrajag-: | 0.19 isn't even planned for release yet, there's a fair bit to go afaik |
| [04:22:00] | sphery: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/7246 |
| [04:22:00] | sphery: | Yeah. 0.19 will probably be a while, but when it's out, new recordings will have the right extension. |
| [04:23:00] | sphery: | So, Windows users who think the extension means something will be happy. |
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| [04:24:00] | sphery: | Agrajag-: Just saying that NUV files will end with ".nuv" and MPEG files will end with ".mpg" |
| [04:24:00] | Esotericisms: | anyone have the time to help me make sure I have LVM installed and get my second drive added to it that I just bought? |
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| [04:25:00] | Tanthrix: | I've been able to play nuv files with mplayer, and by renaming them to .mpg, with an mpeg2 decoder in windows.. |
| [04:25:00] | Tanthrix: | Isn't nuv just mpeg2 with some added info? |
| [04:25:00] | kormoc: | Tanthrix, if you have a mpeg encoder card, yes |
| [04:25:00] | kormoc: | if you have a framegrabber, no |
| [04:25:00] | Tanthrix: | Ahh, I see. I'm using a pvr150 card. |
| [04:26:00] | Tanthrix: | Esotericisms: I might able to help a bit. What's the problem? |
| [04:26:00] | sphery: | NUV is NuppelVideo, ".nuv" is just the last four characters of a filename |
| [04:26:00] | sphery: | :) |
| [04:26:00] | Esotericisms: | there isn't a problem, just not familiar with LVM |
| [04:27:00] | Tanthrix: | The howto is pretty straight forward. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ |
| [04:27:00] | sphery: | If you have an MPEG encoder card, you don't have NUV files--just MPEG files whose name end with ".nuv" |
| [04:27:00] | Tanthrix: | What are you trying to accomplish? |
| [04:27:00] | Tanthrix: | sphery: Ahh, I see. I was wondering if that was the case. |
| [04:28:00] | Tanthrix: | I originally thought though that it was mpeg2 with commercial flag points and other mythtv stuff added. What exactly is nuppelvideo anyway? |
| [04:28:00] | Tanthrix: | Esotericisms: Are you trying to make 2 drives act as one, essentially? |
| [04:29:00] | sphery: | Just MPEG. Commercial flag points (and a lot of other info) are all in the database (recordedmarkup table). |
| [04:29:00] | fatmatt: | does anyone else get errors when trying to get into the mplayer marrilat stuff? |
| [04:29:00] | kormoc: | sphery, with my framegrabber, it was mpeg-4 video in a nupple video container with the sound as mp3 |
| [04:29:00] | kormoc: | sphery, so .nuv isn't always nupple video |
| [04:29:00] | fatmatt: | get into = apt-get update |
| [04:29:00] | Agrajag-: | fatmatt: yeah, as far as i can tell, "testing" has been removed, so just put in "etch" instead |
| [04:29:00] | Agrajag-: | or whatever you're using |
| [04:29:00] | fatmatt: | unstable is sid isn't it? |
| [04:29:00] | Esotericisms: | Tanthrix, well I have one drive partitioned into two, the second partition is supposedly LVM and I just bought a new drive that I want to add to it |
| [04:29:00] | Agrajag-: | fatmatt: yeah |
| [04:29:00] | sphery: | kormoc: Right. If you have a frame grabber that gives Myth raw video, Myth will encode it to a NuppelVideo container with either MPEG-4 or MJPEG content. |
| [04:30:00] | Esotericisms: | I just don't want to jack anything up |
| [04:30:00] | fatmatt: | thanks |
| [04:30:00] | Esotericisms: | what is the command to format a drive in JFS? |
| [04:31:00] | elarkin: | mke2fs -j /dev/hda |
| [04:31:00] | Tanthrix: | The command vgscan will check for all volume groups. |
| [04:31:00] | kormoc: | elarkin, that's for ext3 |
| [04:31:00] | elarkin: | sorry thought they were the same ext is journalling |
| [04:31:00] | Tanthrix: | Then you can select to use that volume group, and add a new physical volume. |
| [04:32:00] | geoff_: | kormoc: change went in today that names mpegs as .mpg |
| [04:32:00] | kormoc: | Esotericisms, it /should/ be mkfs.jfs |
| [04:32:00] | geoff_: | not .nuv |
| [04:32:00] | Tanthrix: | It's all under common tasks in howto. |
| [04:32:00] | kormoc: | geoff_, nice, but it'd still keep the frame grabber's in .nuv? |
| [04:32:00] | sphery: | Tanthrix: NuppelVideo is a container format ( http://freshmeat.net/projects/nuppelvideo/ ). Main site seems to be down (or changed), but the FreshMeat page has a pretty good description. |
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| [04:33:00] | geoff_: | as far as I know |
| [04:33:00] | sphery: | Myth uses the container format, but not the RTjpeg video format. |
| [04:33:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | geoff_, how are you today? me again. :) |
| [04:33:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | I have fixed the probem of yesterday thou |
| [04:33:00] | Tanthrix: | Interesting. |
| [04:33:00] | kormoc: | sphery, it can, I beleive |
| [04:33:00] | geoff_: | WAR_CH|LD: pretty decent |
| [04:33:00] | sphery: | Uses MJPEG, not RTjpeg. :) |
| [04:33:00] | geoff_: | sunny in Oregon today |
| [04:33:00] | Esotericisms: | ok I followed jerods guide when I originally set up my box several months ago |
| [04:33:00] | kormoc: | sphery, hehe, oops :P |
| [04:33:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | now all I have is static, and I can not change channels. |
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| [04:34:00] | Esotericisms: | I did tell it to make a LVM out of my video partition so it is /dev/hd5 |
| [04:34:00] | Tanthrix: | It's usually sunny in sept here, geoff... |
| [04:34:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | even hitting down and up and what not |
| [04:34:00] | geoff_: | WAR_CH|LD: ever got it figured out? |
| [04:34:00] | Esotericisms: | now when I did that did it automatically create a volume group? |
| [04:34:00] | Esotericisms: | or do I have to do that now? |
| [04:34:00] | kormoc: | sphery, actually it appears that myth has used rtjpeg in the past... |
| [04:34:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | yeah, the problem of yesterday and crasking was my video card driver geoff. I fixed that up and it's all good |
| [04:34:00] | geoff_: | Tanthrix: I know.... just the rain the other day sucked |
| [04:35:00] | geoff_: | but no channel changing now? |
| [04:35:00] | Tanthrix: | Aye. The shortening days are getting to me more though. I could deal with the rain and clouds if it didn't get dark at 5pm. |
| [04:35:00] | kormoc: | sphery, http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2003-January/003970.html |
| [04:35:00] | Tanthrix: | If I had my way, we'd just keep moving the clocks forward.. |
| [04:35:00] | Esotericisms: | anyone? |
| [04:35:00] | Tanthrix: | I'd rather get up in the dark than get out of school / work and have no daylight left |
| [04:35:00] | geoff_: | Tanthrix: time to move south for the winter |
| [04:35:00] | Tanthrix: | Hehe, aye. |
| [04:35:00] | Esotericisms: | wish jerod was here, he would know if a heart beat :P |
| [04:36:00] | Esotericisms: | s/if/in/i; |
| [04:37:00] | Cardoe: | what about lvm? |
| [04:37:00] | Cardoe: | no it doesn't automatically create a volume group |
| [04:37:00] | kormoc: | if he's using lvm he created one... |
| [04:38:00] | Esotericisms: | so I have my original partition on /dev/hda5 ... I just added another drive partitioned as JFS as well /dev/hdb1 |
| [04:38:00] | sphery: | Tanthrix and geoff_: Looks like I'll get to check out Oregon's sunshine next week... |
| [04:38:00] | Cardoe: | if you already are using lvm |
| [04:38:00] | sphery: | :) |
| [04:38:00] | Cardoe: | you created one already |
| [04:38:00] | Esotericisms: | I followed Jerods guide when I installed especially the part about JFS and setting it as LVM so it took /dev/hda5 on install |
| [04:38:00] | geoff_: | sphery: moving north for the winter? |
| [04:39:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | geoff_, well. I don't thin kthe channels are setup right. |
| [04:39:00] | Esotericisms: | so you are saying I already have a volume group? |
| [04:39:00] | Esotericisms: | how can I find out what it is called? |
| [04:39:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | I can not change channels, and all I get is static. |
| [04:39:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: vgscan ? |
| [04:39:00] | sphery: | geoff_: No, just a business trip. :) |
| [04:39:00] | geoff_: | WAR_CH|LD: thecris had the same problem last night and it was permissions |
| [04:39:00] | Esotericisms: | "No Volume Groups Found" |
| [04:40:00] | geoff_: | sphery: hopefully not to Salem ;) |
| [04:40:00] | Esotericisms: | so I do I need to initialize this new drive I just installed? |
| [04:40:00] | Esotericisms: | with LVM or something? |
| [04:40:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | geoff_, nah I get the backend giving me a log telling me my channels are not setup right. |
| [04:40:00] | geoff_: | crappy |
| [04:41:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: i think you should read the lvm howto |
| [04:41:00] | geoff_: | and you only have one input now? |
| [04:41:00] | geoff_: | i mean on each tuner |
| [04:41:00] | Esotericisms: | I was reading that, I haven't done this and normally I would just mess with it until I learn but I don't want to loose my system for jacking it up |
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| [04:41:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | i'll get you a log in a min |
| [04:41:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: i think you should read it so you understand what you're doing and then you wont mess it up – http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ |
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| [04:42:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | Channel(/dev/video1): CheckChannel failed. Please verify channel "0" in the "setup" Channel Editor. |
| [04:42:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | Error, couldn't find any available channels. |
| [04:42:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | Your database is most likely setup incorrectly. |
| [04:42:00] | Esotericisms: | I was reading that, I haven't done this and normally I would just mess with it until I learn but I don't want to loose my system for jacking it up |
| [04:42:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | pretty straight forward |
| [04:43:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag- ^^^^ |
| [04:43:00] | sphery: | geoff_: No. Eugene. I shouldn't be in your way. |
| [04:43:00] | geoff_: | and you ran mythfilldb? |
| [04:43:00] | geoff_: | nm |
| [04:44:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: did you read what i said? that howto isn't hard to understand – if you read it and understand the concepts and commands, you wont need to "mess with it", you'll just be able to do it right |
| [04:44:00] | Esotericisms: | ok I need to get some clarification ... |
| [04:44:00] | Esotericisms: | when following Jerods guide for Fedora |
| [04:45:00] | Esotericisms: | and setting the original partition for my videos that I created to LVM |
| [04:45:00] | Esotericisms: | what exactly did that do for me? |
| [04:45:00] | geoff_: | WAR_CH|LD: looking into it |
| [04:45:00] | Esotericisms: | did it create my volumes to I just need to extend? |
| [04:45:00] | Esotericisms: | do I need to actually create the volume group now that I have another drive to add to it? |
| [04:46:00] | Agrajag-: | i have no idea, i haven't followed this guide – can't you go look at the guide and the commands it told you to do and figure out what you actually did? |
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| [04:46:00] | Agrajag-: | ok.. the idea is even with one drive you should have a group |
| [04:46:00] | Agrajag-: | so yes, you should have already created a group |
| [04:48:00] | sphery: | kormoc: I stand corrected. It seems that MJPEG is a format used by some hardware encoder cards (G200), and the NUV files contain heavily modified RTjpeg. Thanks for pointing that out. |
| [04:48:00] | geoff_: | WAR_CH|LD: when you run myth-setup |
| [04:48:00] | geoff_: | select reset cards aand chaannels |
| [04:48:00] | geoff_: | then let me walk you through to see what is going wrong |
| [04:48:00] | kormoc: | sphery, no problem, it's something I never really looked into before as well :) |
| [04:48:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag-, and to find out you just to vgscan right? |
| [04:48:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: yep |
| [04:49:00] | Esotericisms: | ok that returned nothing ... No volume groups found |
| [04:49:00] | joat: | so, just a quick question, why NUV instead of AVI or OGM or something? (although I think AVI used to have some problem with > 4 GB files, but I think that's sorted now) |
| [04:49:00] | Agrajag-: | if all you're doing it adding another hdd to your lvm setup, you'll just be adding a physical volume to the volume group |
| [04:49:00] | Esotericisms: | I only have 3 partitions ... hda1 hda2 hda5 |
| [04:49:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: so.. are you sure you're using lvm? |
| [04:49:00] | sphery: | kormoc: Yeah. I only have MPEG encoder cards, so I guess I didn't know as much about the other way as I thought... :) |
| [04:49:00] | Esotericisms: | that is why the one partition is hda5, I thought, LVM is installed I am at its prompt right now, how could I determine for sure that I am using it or now? |
| [04:49:00] | Esotericisms: | not* |
| [04:50:00] | bRuZdEGO: | geoff_ would you lke to go to PM for this? :) |
| [04:50:00] | Agrajag-: | well if you dont have a volume group, i dont think you are using it |
| [04:50:00] | Skif: | is anybody else getting continual '500 Service error' messages from zap2it when running mythfilldatabase? |
| [04:50:00] | kormoc: | Esotericisms, likly you're not using lvm. |
| [04:50:00] | bRuZdEGO: | geoff_, btw this is WAR_CH|LD |
| [04:50:00] | bRuZdEGO: | I got dissed |
| [04:51:00] | Skif: | Through a combination of bad planning and back luck, I have had to reinstall mythtv (which I'm fortunately quite good at now), but I can't get any listings anymore :( |
| [04:51:00] | Agrajag-: | can you use a slightly less annoying nick please bRuZdEGO :) |
| [04:51:00] | geoff_: | yes |
| [04:51:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: actually, pm is blocked 4 me |
| [04:51:00] | bRuZdEGO: | ah, ok |
| [04:51:00] | bRuZdEGO: | well. I just deleted it |
| [04:52:00] | geoff_: | k, give me a sec to open setup |
| [04:52:00] | bRuZdEGO: | capture cards --> new capture cards |
| [04:52:00] | Esotericisms: | can I setup LVM at this point in the game with data on the partition or will I loose it> |
| [04:52:00] | bRuZdEGO: | card type = mpeg2, /dev/video0, tuner 0 |
| [04:53:00] | geoff_: | yes |
| [04:53:00] | geoff_: | just do one tuner for now |
| [04:54:00] | Esotericisms: | bRuZdEGO, do yourself a favor and go out and buy a PVR250, you will love yourself for doing it ... it solves all the problems in the world |
| [04:54:00] | geoff_: | he needs 8 chaaans aat once |
| [04:54:00] | Esotericisms: | bRuZdEGO, seriously you can buy one for like $100 these days, you will love yourself for it ... |
| [04:54:00] | bRuZdEGO: | Esotericisms, unavailable in AU |
| [04:54:00] | dj_segfault: | Hey. Sorry to but in. I've been lurking for a while waiting for a calm momemt to interject a question. Silly man. Anyway, I'm trying to decide between buying a Tivo or running MythTV on my existing SuSE 9.3 server already running postfix/apache/mysql/mailman by shoving a PVR350 in it.... STFW shows SuSE 9.3 is not the best choice in the world, but I already have this box up and running 24/7. The root of my question is, i |
| [04:55:00] | bRuZdEGO: | PVR 250, you can not buy in AU |
| [04:55:00] | bRuZdEGO: | I haveit in writing |
| [04:55:00] | geoff_: | k, setup video source |
| [04:55:00] | Esotericisms: | bRuZdEGO, buy it online |
| [04:55:00] | bRuZdEGO: | how about, I need this done by tomorrow. |
| [04:55:00] | Esotericisms: | have it shipped |
| [04:55:00] | bRuZdEGO: | problem isn't card, anyway. card working |
| [04:55:00] | bRuZdEGO: | problem is my dickhead setup |
| [04:55:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: i *think* with pvcreate on a partition (not a whole disk) you can do it without losing data. not sure. |
| [04:55:00] | geoff_: | and make sure you set the freq to au-pal |
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| [04:56:00] | Esotericisms: | see that is the problem you don't know and the how-to doesn't say |
| [04:56:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, australia. |
| [04:56:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: done with video source? |
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| [04:56:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: well. the manpage says you'll destroy a whole disk if you do it, but doesn't mention partions – can you backup your data somewhere else (another partition)? then run pvcreate on it |
| [04:57:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: then set input connection tuner0 to your video source |
| [04:57:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, doing that in the console now |
| [04:57:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yep, done t hat. |
| [04:57:00] | Skif: | Actually, I'd start lvm on the spare partition, *then* copy your stuff over, and then re-initialize your original partition as LVM and add it to the vg |
| [04:57:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: in the chan editor, do you see channels? |
| [04:58:00] | Agrajag-: | dj_segfault: i dont know if you realised, but your questoin got cut off at "..root of my question is, i" |
| [04:58:00] | ** Skif is kinda paranoid that way. ** | |
| [04:58:00] | geoff_: | (I don't think you should) |
| [04:58:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag-, I guess I could copy the data to the new drive that I just installed, then do pvcreate on the old partition and then move the info back and then initial the new drive and add to lvm storage |
| [04:58:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah what Skif said too should be fine |
| [04:58:00] | bRuZdEGO: | no, I assume I would have to run mythfilldatabase |
| [04:58:00] | geoff_: | yes |
| [04:58:00] | Agrajag-: | i thikn what Skif said should be easier :) |
| [04:58:00] | bRuZdEGO: | lets do that. |
| [04:58:00] | Esotericisms: | really? |
| [04:58:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [04:58:00] | geoff_: | so I think now exit out and run mfdb |
| [04:59:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yep, doing |
| [04:59:00] | geoff_: | then go back without restet of caards / chans and look 4 channels |
| [04:59:00] | Esotericisms: | so just 'pvcreate volume_name /dev/hdb1' |
| [05:00:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yep, geoff_. I don't think this is the problem but running through it again won't hurt. I thin kthe problem is the xmltvgrab thingie it's self. |
| [05:00:00] | bRuZdEGO: | I dunno, we will find out i suppose. :) |
| [05:00:00] | Agrajag-: | i think want to do it on the whole disk don't you Esotericisms? |
| [05:00:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: reset might have done it |
| [05:00:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, true. |
| [05:00:00] | geoff_: | because of the multiple inputs you had last night |
| [05:00:00] | Esotericisms: | well the hdb drive yeah |
| [05:00:00] | Esotericisms: | it is all one partition |
| [05:00:00] | dj_segfault: | Thanks, Agrajag: The root of my question is, is there anything Tivo can do that Mythtv can't, other than plug in and just work? |
| [05:00:00] | Esotericisms: | referenced by hdb1 right? |
| [05:00:00] | Skif: | can anybody help me with http://pastebin.com/364176 |
| [05:01:00] | Agrajag-: | if you've already created the partition, yeah |
| [05:01:00] | bRuZdEGO: | geoff_, the fill is done and i'm going back in |
| [05:01:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: do you get any errors with mfdb? |
| [05:01:00] | bRuZdEGO: | ok, channels are there. |
| [05:01:00] | Skif: | Esotericisms: /dev/hdb is the whole disk, /dev/hdb1 is partition 1 on the disk. If partition 1 is the whole disk, it doesn't make a lot of difference. |
| [05:01:00] | geoff_: | k |
| [05:01:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag-, yeah it has already been partitioned as JFS |
| [05:01:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, I did.. but only about missing icon's and channel 31, in which I don't are about |
| [05:01:00] | geoff_: | now restart backend and give it a whirl |
| [05:01:00] | geoff_: | k |
| [05:02:00] | bRuZdEGO: | I would like to point out, one thing I have noticed. |
| [05:02:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: ok, so just do pvcreate on /dev/hdb1 then |
| [05:02:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [05:02:00] | Esotericisms: | that is what I thought |
| [05:02:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: go for it |
| [05:03:00] | Esotericisms: | created successfully |
| [05:03:00] | bRuZdEGO: | in the channel editor, you see the channels right. I go into one of those channels.. and under the channel name is the first option channel number.... there is not number in here. :\ |
| [05:03:00] | Esotericisms: | now just copy over all the files to it? |
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| [05:03:00] | bRuZdEGO: | geoff_, this screams to me that something snould be in here. :\ |
| [05:03:00] | geoff_: | hold on let me go back aaand check |
| [05:03:00] | Skif: | Esotericisms: you need to create an lv now--- use lvcreate on the vg you just made |
| [05:03:00] | Skif: | Esotericisms: with LVM, think of a VG as a disk, and an LV as a partition |
| [05:04:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [05:04:00] | Esotericisms: | lvcreate is the command? |
| [05:04:00] | Skif: | It's not exactly the same thing, but it's the same idea. |
| [05:04:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: |
| [05:04:00] | Agrajag-: | wait have you done vgcreate yet Esotericisms? |
| [05:04:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: I think that is it |
| [05:04:00] | Esotericisms: | Skif, is pvcreate and vgcreate the same thing? |
| [05:04:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: do you know the channels that go with those names? |
| [05:05:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag-, no I haven't |
| [05:05:00] | Esotericisms: | I go to do that first |
| [05:05:00] | Esotericisms: | it appears :) |
| [05:05:00] | Agrajag-: | no Esotericisms, you need to do pvcreate then vgcreate |
| [05:05:00] | Skif: | Esotericisms: no, it's not |
| [05:05:00] | Skif: | sorry, I thought I saw Agrajag- mention it already. |
| [05:05:00] | bRuZdEGO: | geoff_, no. something I need to find out. I think some are obvious. "Name channel 7" let me guess, channel 7? :) |
| [05:05:00] | bRuZdEGO: | just have to find an AU list. |
| [05:05:00] | ** Skif will let Agrajag- take care of things, so as to reduce confusion ** | |
| [05:06:00] | geoff_: | try that one and set channel tune preset to that one |
| [05:06:00] | Agrajag-: | i think there would be much less confusion if he was following the howto i pasted ages ago :P |
| [05:06:00] | Esotericisms: | ok volume group create |
| [05:07:00] | Skif: | ah well, horses, water, etc. |
| [05:07:00] | Esotericisms: | Skif, now to activate the volume group? |
| [05:07:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: (Preset chan is in the input connections) |
| [05:07:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: yeah. just follow this http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/createvgs.html |
| [05:07:00] | Agrajag-: | that's the step you've just done |
| [05:08:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah so next is the activating |
| [05:08:00] | Agrajag-: | yep |
| [05:08:00] | Esotericisms: | 0 logical volumes in volume group now active <-- that ok? |
| [05:09:00] | Skif: | you haven't created any LVs yet, so yes. |
| [05:09:00] | Esotericisms: | ok so now to createlv.html |
| [05:09:00] | bRuZdEGO: | geoff_, what do you mean by that? |
| [05:09:00] | Esotericisms: | ok logical volume page is kinda confusing |
| [05:09:00] | geoff_: | go to input connections |
| [05:10:00] | geoff_: | hit enter on your tuner0 |
| [05:10:00] | geoff_: | second from last to the bottom |
| [05:10:00] | geoff_: | set start channel |
| [05:10:00] | geoff_: | "Preset Tuner Channel" |
| [05:10:00] | Agrajag-: | by the sounds of things Esotericisms, you want to do this: If you want to create an LV that uses the entire VG, use vgdisplay to find the "Total PE" size, then use that when running lvcreate. |
| [05:11:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: makes the card tune to that chan first |
| [05:11:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag-, ok ... skif: agree? |
| [05:11:00] | Skif: | Esotericisms: Agrajag has it correct. |
| [05:12:00] | Esotericisms: | so I use the total PE size in the lvcreate command? |
| [05:12:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah i see that |
| [05:12:00] | Esotericisms: | nm, answered my own question |
| [05:13:00] | bRuZdEGO: | ok |
| [05:13:00] | Esotericisms: | logical volume created |
| [05:13:00] | joat: | with LVM, if one drive dies, do you lose everything, ala raid0 ? |
| [05:14:00] | joat: | or just the files on that drive |
| [05:14:00] | bRuZdEGO: | geoff_, lets try this. :) |
| [05:14:00] | Skif: | joat: you just restore from backups. |
| [05:14:00] | Skif: | You *do* have backups, don't you? :) |
| [05:14:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: ;) |
| [05:14:00] | Agrajag-: | heh |
| [05:14:00] | joat: | heh, I don't plan on backing up TV shows |
| [05:14:00] | geoff_: | cross fingers |
| [05:14:00] | Esotericisms: | so it is live now? |
| [05:14:00] | joat: | and yah, I do backup all of my important stuff |
| [05:15:00] | bRuZdEGO: | ok, cool. we have 50% succes. |
| [05:15:00] | geoff_: | ? |
| [05:15:00] | Skif: | Esotericisms: now you need to format the lv, and yer golden |
| [05:15:00] | bRuZdEGO: | I am on channel 10, that is what I set it too |
| [05:15:00] | geoff_: | you have tv? |
| [05:15:00] | bRuZdEGO: | sure do! :) |
| [05:15:00] | joat: | but I'm not wasting DVDs on TV shows, although I would like to have some tiny amount of error tolerance |
| [05:15:00] | geoff_: | :) |
| [05:15:00] | geoff_: | good |
| [05:15:00] | bRuZdEGO: | but, if I hit up and down. it tries to change |
| [05:15:00] | joat: | i.e. I only lose half of them if a drive smokes |
| [05:15:00] | geoff_: | now just have to find the lineup |
| [05:15:00] | Esotericisms: | mkefs -j /dev/media/video? |
| [05:15:00] | geoff_: | any errors? |
| [05:15:00] | bRuZdEGO: | the program looks like it chnages, like the channel information thinks it changes |
| [05:15:00] | bRuZdEGO: | but, its visually still on channel 10 |
| [05:15:00] | bRuZdEGO: | does that make sense? |
| [05:16:00] | geoff_: | yes |
| [05:16:00] | geoff_: | did you set up more than the 1 chan? |
| [05:16:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: yep |
| [05:16:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, I did |
| [05:16:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [05:16:00] | bRuZdEGO: | 3/4 |
| [05:16:00] | geoff_: | hmmm |
| [05:16:00] | bRuZdEGO: | the onscreen display, jsut thinks it's on channel 7 actuall |
| [05:16:00] | geoff_: | could be permissions now |
| [05:16:00] | geoff_: | but check the log for errors |
| [05:16:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, where am I looking? |
| [05:16:00] | geoff_: | oh wiat.... |
| [05:17:00] | geoff_: | did you press return after going up? |
| [05:17:00] | geoff_: | you have to select the chan |
| [05:17:00] | geoff_: | osd just shows you |
| [05:17:00] | geoff_: | but enter to change |
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| [05:18:00] | bRuZdEGO: | enter does nothing |
| [05:18:00] | bRuZdEGO: | here is the error |
| [05:18:00] | bRuZdEGO: | "Error, couldn't find any available channels. " |
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| [05:19:00] | bRuZdEGO: | "Your database is most likely setup incorrectly. " |
| [05:19:00] | geoff_: | grrr |
| [05:19:00] | geoff_: | weird |
| [05:19:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, i'll google it |
| [05:19:00] | geoff_: | maybe if you set up the rest |
| [05:20:00] | geoff_: | and try a different preset |
| [05:20:00] | geoff_: | seee if it changes |
| [05:20:00] | geoff_: | let me know how it works out |
| [05:20:00] | geoff_: | glad we made progress though |
| [05:21:00] | Esotericisms: | is mv faster then copy when going from one partition to another? |
| [05:21:00] | PatrickDK: | no |
| [05:21:00] | PatrickDK: | only when you stay on the same filesystem |
| [05:21:00] | Skif: | slower, actually, but you'll never notice. |
| [05:21:00] | bRuZdEGO: | will do, thanks for your help! :) |
| [05:22:00] | Skif: | it will take an extra 0.003ms or so to unlink from the source fs. :) |
| [05:22:00] | Esotericisms: | damn going to take a while to copy 40gb then :/ |
| [05:22:00] | PatrickDK: | yep, especially if you don't have a server motherboard |
| [05:22:00] | PatrickDK: | hmm, it takes me about 80min to copy 40gigs over my network |
| [05:23:00] | PatrickDK: | I think |
| [05:23:00] | Skif: | Networks are sloooow compared to disks |
| [05:23:00] | Esotericisms: | eventually I will redo all this and get another drive or two and do a raid but for now ... this is how it is done |
| [05:24:00] | PatrickDK: | oh, heh, 20min |
| [05:24:00] | PatrickDK: | skif, I am using 4gigabit |
| [05:24:00] | Skif: | PatrickDK: what, 4 1Gb ports bonded? |
| [05:24:00] | PatrickDK: | but then, the computers only have 2gigabit |
| [05:24:00] | PatrickDK: | skif yep |
| [05:24:00] | PatrickDK: | across switchs |
| [05:24:00] | PatrickDK: | fibre linked |
| [05:24:00] | bRuZdEGO: | geoff_, I think it is permissions. :) |
| [05:25:00] | bRuZdEGO: | geoff_, just dunno where yet. |
| [05:25:00] | geoff_: | :) |
| [05:25:00] | geoff_: | prob on the /dev/vid devices |
| [05:25:00] | geoff_: | try 777 for testing |
| [05:25:00] | geoff_: | if you are brave |
| [05:25:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, i'm brave |
| [05:25:00] | bRuZdEGO: | i'll take everyone on. :) |
| [05:27:00] | bRuZdEGO: | nup, that didn't work.. it's weird thou. it's SHOWing channel 10, but channel 7 is what comes up for the onscreen display. :\ |
| [05:28:00] | bRuZdEGO: | something is borked |
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| [05:30:00] | bRuZdEGO: | i'm going to reboot the box and set the tuner back to default.. if you hear what i mean. |
| [05:30:00] | geoff_: | can you change to different chas using tune.pl? |
| [05:30:00] | Esotericisms: | why does fedora only see my 120GB as 111GB? |
| [05:30:00] | geoff_: | yeah no kidding |
| [05:30:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, with ptune.pl |
| [05:31:00] | bRuZdEGO: | I changed channels and recorded some stuff with it earlier |
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| [05:31:00] | dj_segfault: | Esotericisms, the rest is shipping and handling charges |
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| [05:31:00] | Esotericisms: | lol |
| [05:31:00] | bRuZdEGO: | you knwo what, that's more than likely why it was on channel 10. I changed it there.. and it's stayed. :\ |
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| [05:31:00] | geoff_: | :( |
| [05:31:00] | geoff_: | maybe the freq isa missing from the chan info too |
| [05:32:00] | Esotericisms: | so skif, you there? |
| [05:32:00] | geoff_: | that is hard to figure |
| [05:32:00] | elarkin: | anyone know why i keeep getting asked to save program_listing.php when accessing mythweb ? |
| [05:32:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, that was it geoff_ |
| [05:32:00] | Esotericisms: | the partition that I want to add to the the LV that I just created ... |
| [05:33:00] | geoff_: | bRuZdEGO: what was it? the missing frequencies? |
| [05:33:00] | bRuZdEGO: | um, i've rebooted.. the card is at default.. i'm wathcing tv again |
| [05:33:00] | geoff_: | oh |
| [05:33:00] | bRuZdEGO: | I now see static, and it thinks it's on channel 7 |
| [05:33:00] | dj_segfault: | Esotericisms, I missed the beginning. Is that 120GB on a machine that came shipped with Windows? |
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| [05:33:00] | geoff_: | aand you can chaange or no |
| [05:34:00] | Esotericisms: | dj_segfault, no |
| [05:34:00] | dj_segfault: | Ah, thought it might be a hidden restore partition. Next.... |
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| [05:34:00] | Esotericisms: | Skif or Agrajag-, so then I will have to initialize the partition (pvcreate /dev/hda5), then extend the logical volume? |
| [05:34:00] | Esotericisms: | or ... |
| [05:34:00] | bRuZdEGO: | no change\ |
| [05:34:00] | bRuZdEGO: | where do I find t hese frequencies you speak off? |
| [05:34:00] | Esotericisms: | actually it would be add physical volumes to a volume group??? |
| [05:35:00] | geoff_: | probaably in the chaan editor |
| [05:35:00] | geoff_: | same as the chan num |
| [05:35:00] | geoff_: | problem is the frequency is like aa 4 digit num |
| [05:36:00] | bRuZdEGO: | the next page, "frequency ID"? yeah, ti's blank |
| [05:36:00] | geoff_: | yeah, thats bad |
| [05:36:00] | bRuZdEGO: | cools |
| [05:36:00] | geoff_: | try the scan |
| [05:36:00] | geoff_: | do you see it? |
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| [05:37:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag- ... Skif ... ?? you here? |
| [05:37:00] | geoff_: | the scan should fill in the blanks I think |
| [05:38:00] | fatmatt: | jnc: hmm, I'm still having problems with the dependencies for the plugins |
| [05:38:00] | bRuZdEGO: | how do I scan? |
| [05:39:00] | geoff_: | there is a button at the bottom of the channel editor |
| [05:39:00] | geoff_: | "scan for channels |
| [05:39:00] | geoff_: | " |
| [05:40:00] | bRuZdEGO: | there is? |
| [05:40:00] | geoff_: | on mine |
| [05:40:00] | geoff_: | maybe you are not on svn? |
| [05:40:00] | geoff_: | whaat version aaare you using? |
| [05:41:00] | bRuZdEGO: | of myth? |
| [05:41:00] | bRuZdEGO: | 0.18.something |
| [05:41:00] | geoff_: | ah |
| [05:41:00] | geoff_: | I am using svn |
| [05:41:00] | geoff_: | so you haave no button |
| [05:41:00] | bRuZdEGO: | svn? |
| [05:41:00] | geoff_: | cvs |
| [05:41:00] | geoff_: | .... |
| [05:41:00] | bRuZdEGO: | haha, right. :) |
| [05:41:00] | geoff_: | most current development version |
| [05:41:00] | bRuZdEGO: | nah, this is a production box mate. didn't think that would be a good idea |
| [05:42:00] | geoff_: | otherwise, you have to find the freq id's for aus-paal |
| [05:42:00] | NamShub: | how long is tagging ads supposed to take? its been running for over 5 hours for a 30 minutes show. |
| [05:42:00] | geoff_: | and fill them in |
| [05:42:00] | geoff_: | not that long |
| [05:42:00] | geoff_: | what cpu? |
| [05:42:00] | NamShub: | Athlon 2800 |
| [05:42:00] | geoff_: | my 450 celeron does it in near real time |
| [05:42:00] | geoff_: | :) |
| [05:42:00] | geoff_: | something is wron |
| [05:42:00] | geoff_: | g |
| [05:43:00] | NamShub: | ok |
| [05:43:00] | geoff_: | try mythcommflag --hogcpu |
| [05:43:00] | NamShub: | really wrong hehe |
| [05:43:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: sorry went out for lunch :P |
| [05:43:00] | geoff_: | and see whaaat is up |
| [05:43:00] | NamShub: | err ok |
| [05:44:00] | geoff_: | should print out fps |
| [05:44:00] | NamShub: | top revealed problem with gamin, killing it, it now processes at 180fps |
| [05:44:00] | NamShub: | (it was 1fps before) |
| [05:44:00] | geoff_: | lol |
| [05:44:00] | geoff_: | that would do it |
| [05:44:00] | NamShub: | thanks |
| [05:44:00] | geoff_: | np |
| [05:44:00] | geoff_: | should finish faast now |
| [05:45:00] | NamShub: | let me check if it fixed my second problem ;) |
| [05:46:00] | NamShub: | great |
| [05:46:00] | NamShub: | everything works fine now |
| [05:47:00] | NamShub: | i was afraid using a NAS hd wouldnt be fast enough, but it seems ok |
| [05:48:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag-, so i just need to pvcreate on the original partition that I am copying the files from and then do a vgextend right? |
| [05:50:00] | Esotericisms: | and then lvextend +49GB because that is how big the partition is that I am adding ?? |
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| [05:52:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: yeah |
| [05:52:00] | Esotericisms: | ok thanks man for your help it all makes sense now ... |
| [05:52:00] | Esotericisms: | thanks a whole bunch, I really appreciate it |
| [05:52:00] | Agrajag-: | no worries :) |
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| [05:55:00] | geoff_: | NamShub: Glaad to heaar all is good |
| [05:55:00] | geoff_: | aand my aa key is broken |
| [05:55:00] | geoff_: | types two aas |
| [05:58:00] | bRuZdEGO: | what does dvb stand for? |
| [06:01:00] | snerfu: | digital video broadcasting |
| [06:04:00] | Esotericisms: | [root@mythology /]# lvextend -L+49G /dev/media/video |
| [06:04:00] | Esotericisms: | Extending logical volume video to 160.79 GB |
| [06:04:00] | Esotericisms: | Insufficient allocatable logical extents (41116) for logical volume video: 41161 required |
| [06:04:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag-, whats that mean? |
| [06:04:00] | Esotericisms: | I did ... |
| [06:05:00] | Esotericisms: | pvcreate /dev/hda5, vgextend media /dev/hda5, lvextend -L+49G /dev/media/video |
| [06:05:00] | Agrajag-: | i think it means you're trying to extend it by too much |
| [06:05:00] | Agrajag-: | your partition isn't exactly 49G |
| [06:05:00] | Esotericisms: | oh k |
| [06:05:00] | Esotericisms: | I need to mke2fs first don't i? |
| [06:06:00] | Agrajag-: | i dont know |
| [06:07:00] | Agrajag-: | but i think you should use pvdisplay to show the size of the pv, then use that amount to extend the vg by |
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| [06:07:00] | bRuZdEGO: | yeah, thought so. thanks snerfu |
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| [06:07:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [06:09:00] | Esotericisms: | shit I think I just fucked it all up |
| [06:09:00] | Esotericisms: | I still have the data though |
| [06:10:00] | Esotericisms: | I forgot to remove it from the vg before partitioning it |
| [06:10:00] | Esotericisms: | so now it can't find my vg media |
| [06:10:00] | Esotericisms: | [root@mythology /]# vgscan |
| [06:10:00] | Esotericisms: | Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... |
| [06:10:00] | Esotericisms: | Couldn't find device with uuid 'L1wy6B-df4k-1YHU-hBQb-3xOh-BSAF-QByuol'. |
| [06:10:00] | Esotericisms: | Couldn't find all physical volumes for volume group media. |
| [06:10:00] | Esotericisms: | Volume group "media" not found |
| [06:11:00] | Agrajag-: | what does vgdisplay do? |
| [06:13:00] | Atamido: | geoff_: I wanted to mention that unplugging my system for 5+ minutes fixed the no-audio problem on my PVR-500. |
| [06:14:00] | snerfu: | creating a logical volume? Do you guys thing raid 0 is faster than a LV? |
| [06:14:00] | snerfu: | err think. |
| [06:16:00] | Esotericisms: | um |
| [06:16:00] | Esotericisms: | Couldn't find device with uuid 'L1wy6B-df4k-1YHU-hBQb-3xOh-BSAF-QByuol'. |
| [06:16:00] | Esotericisms: | Couldn't find all physical volumes for volume group media. |
| [06:16:00] | Esotericisms: | Volume group "media" doesn't exist |
| [06:16:00] | Esotericisms: | vgreduce --removemissing media |
| [06:16:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm no idea sorry |
| [06:17:00] | Esotericisms: | is the command |
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| [06:27:00] | snerfu: | is the commercial information from a nupple video file stored in the database? |
| [06:29:00] | Esotericisms: | does jfs filesystem allow for LABELing? |
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| [06:36:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag-, you still around? |
| [06:37:00] | bRuZdEGO: | anyone here from australia and have all the channel's working? |
| [06:37:00] | Agrajag-: | yep |
| [06:37:00] | bRuZdEGO: | and not using dvb |
| [06:37:00] | Agrajag-: | (to both questions) |
| [06:37:00] | Esotericisms: | how do I determine the filesystem of a LVM drive or of a drive |
| [06:37:00] | Esotericisms: | partition that is |
| [06:37:00] | Agrajag-: | i guess you use the *display tools to find out |
| [06:37:00] | bRuZdEGO: | I can not find any aussie FTA freqency id's. |
| [06:37:00] | bRuZdEGO: | is the tv_grab_au meant to do it for you? |
| [06:39:00] | Agrajag-: | no |
| [06:39:00] | thechris: | Esotericisms: if the partition is mounted. you can type "mount" |
| [06:39:00] | Agrajag-: | you should just be able to select the australian freqs in mythtv-setup |
| [06:39:00] | Esotericisms: | it is mounted |
| [06:40:00] | Esotericisms: | ext3 it appears |
| [06:40:00] | Esotericisms: | weird I told is jfs when I made the filesystems |
| [06:40:00] | Esotericisms: | LVM filesystems |
| [06:40:00] | Esotericisms: | must have missed something :( |
| [06:40:00] | bRuZdEGO: | Agrajag-, I should? where? |
| [06:41:00] | Esotericisms: | damn now it is ext3, I wanted jfs |
| [06:42:00] | Agrajag-: | bRuZdEGO: hmm im not at my myth machine at the moment. but i knowit's there |
| [06:42:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag-, you see the instructions for resizing an ext3, it doesn't make sense |
| [06:43:00] | Esotericisms: | I only see them talking about ext2 |
| [06:43:00] | bRuZdEGO: | hmmmm. |
| [06:43:00] | Esotericisms: | can you convert from one filesystem to another without loosing data? |
| [06:43:00] | Agrajag-: | bRuZdEGO: if you can't find it i'll vnc to my myth machine and try |
| [06:43:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: yeah |
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| [06:44:00] | Esotericisms: | Agrajag-, how? ... |
| [06:44:00] | Esotericisms: | I need to extend my ext3 first ... |
| [06:44:00] | Esotericisms: | trying to figure that out |
| [06:46:00] | dj_segfault: | I don't know what instructions you're looking at, but almost any directions for ext2 should work for ext3, as ext3 is just ext2 with a journal. |
| [06:46:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [06:46:00] | dj_segfault: | If you want to resize it, I would remove the journal, resize it as a ext2, then make it an ext3 again. |
| [06:47:00] | Esotericisms: | how? |
| [06:47:00] | kormoc: | dj_segfault, no need to remove the journal |
| [06:47:00] | Esotericisms: | I really want it to be JFS for quicker delete times |
| [06:47:00] | kormoc: | dj_segfault, Esotericisms, just mount it with mount -t ext2 /dev/blah /mnt/blah |
| [06:47:00] | dj_segfault: | I thought it might be faster. |
| [06:47:00] | Esotericisms: | cause it will have large files |
| [06:48:00] | Esotericisms: | but when i created the LVM is did it as ext3 |
| [06:48:00] | Esotericisms: | can i convert to jfs without loosing my data? |
| [06:48:00] | kormoc: | dj_segfault, you can just mount ext3 as ext2 and it ignores the journal |
| [06:48:00] | kormoc: | Esotericisms, no |
| [06:48:00] | dj_segfault: | Right. I forgot. |
| [06:48:00] | Esotericisms: | mounting it as an ext2 will be fine for myth? |
| [06:49:00] | kormoc: | ext3 or ext2 is fine |
| [06:49:00] | kormoc: | won't be as fast as possable, but stable |
| [06:49:00] | Esotericisms: | ok well I am resizing it |
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| [06:49:00] | Esotericisms: | how will remote viewing be> |
| [06:49:00] | Esotericisms: | be? |
| [06:49:00] | kormoc: | fine for myself, ext3 via a samba share. |
| [06:50:00] | Esotericisms: | ext3 ... ok |
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| [06:50:00] | kormoc: | Esotericisms, ext3 is just ext2 with a journal file, making for faster fsck's on power loss. |
| [06:50:00] | dj_segfault: | I read somewhere that for myth ext3 was preferable to Reiserfs, which is more tuned to lots of little files |
| [06:51:00] | Esotericisms: | thanks all for your help |
| [06:51:00] | kormoc: | dj_segfault, it depends on your files, some people use 2.5 gigs a hour, others 600 megs a hour, etc, it's hard to give one as the best |
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| [06:52:00] | dj_segfault: | IC. |
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| [06:54:00] | bRuZdEGO: | OMG OMG! |
| [06:54:00] | bRuZdEGO: | it's working! |
| [06:54:00] | bRuZdEGO: | I love all of you guys |
| [06:54:00] | bRuZdEGO: | I thank everyone who helped me |
| [06:54:00] | bRuZdEGO: | you rule. |
| [06:54:00] | thechris: | dj_segfault: i use xfs for my filesystem |
| [06:55:00] | bRuZdEGO: | thechris, it's WAR_CH|LD from yesterday. I have it all working now. thakns for your help yesterday. :) |
| [06:55:00] | thechris: | oh cool |
| [06:55:00] | thechris: | i put my howto up on gentoo-wiki |
| [06:55:00] | bRuZdEGO: | the video/crashing problem was my graphics card. |
| [06:55:00] | thechris: | turns out i was reloading ivtv and forgetting to reload mythbackend |
| [06:56:00] | bRuZdEGO: | graphics card driver to be exact. installed a different one that worked... this morning was getting all the chans working but thats done now. :) |
| [06:56:00] | bRuZdEGO: | ah, cools |
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| [06:59:00] | dj_segfault: | thechris, how much difference are we talking about for xfs vs resier vs ext3? Can it really be significant enough to bother switching? I could recreate my data drive (currently Reiser) if it really mattered. |
| [07:00:00] | dj_segfault: | bRuZdEGO, congrats. |
| [07:01:00] | thechris: | dj_segfault: eh, i wouldn't worry |
| [07:03:00] | dj_segfault: | Thanks, thechris. Now that it's calmed down from a few hours ago, lemme ask again. I'm trying to decide between buying a Tivo or running MythTV on my existing SuSE 9.3 server already running postfix/apache/mysql/mailman by shoving a PVR350 in it. Is there anything Tivo can do that MythTV can't? |
| [07:04:00] | kwilcox: | yeah, you don't have to install and set up a tivo box o.0 |
| [07:04:00] | dj_segfault: | So far I can't find a reason NOT to go Myth, except that SuSE 9.3 doesn't seem to be one of the easier distros to do it on |
| [07:04:00] | bRuZdEGO: | thanks guys |
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| [07:05:00] | kwilcox: | anyone have a working install command for ivtv in their modprobe.conf file for a 350? |
| [07:06:00] | dj_segfault: | Plug and play is not a big feature for me. |
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| [07:10:00] | thechris: | dj_segfault: i do not know what tivo can do |
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| [07:41:00] | Cardoe: | any Gentooers? |
| [07:44:00] | thechris: | yes |
| [07:45:00] | Cardoe: | thechris: do you have a pvr*50? |
| [07:45:00] | thechris: | Cardoe: well, pvr is broken into 150/500 and 250/350 |
| [07:46:00] | thechris: | i have a 500 |
| [07:46:00] | Cardoe: | I just call them the *50s |
| [07:46:00] | Cardoe: | whatever |
| [07:47:00] | Cardoe: | are you using 0.3.8 already? |
| [07:47:00] | thechris: | yes |
| [07:47:00] | Cardoe: | ok |
| [07:47:00] | thechris: | the 150/500 line only uses the 0.3 line of ivtv |
| [07:47:00] | Cardoe: | I'm well aware. |
| [07:48:00] | ** Cardoe is getting tired of everyone talking to him like a 3 yr old when he speaks in here. ** | |
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| [07:51:00] | Cardoe: | correction |
| [07:51:00] | Cardoe: | not everyone |
| [07:51:00] | Cardoe: | just Gentoo users. |
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| [07:52:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | guys, I am trying to run mythbackend on startup. my problem is if I use the scripts in contrib my suse9.2 install doesn't have the program "daemon" |
| [07:52:00] | Agrajag-: | dj_segfault: i dont know what tv can and can't do, but i do know for sure that myth has a lot more features than tivo |
| [07:52:00] | Agrajag-: | dj_segfault: search the mailing list, im sure you'll find something |
| [07:52:00] | guitar256: | Hello all, I just yum installed the nvidia drivers, and from what I can tell they got installed (start-up screen, s-video-out works) however I can't increase the resolution past 800x600, what should I look at? |
| [07:52:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | no, actually. my problem is mythbackend needs to be run as a question. how can I run it as a user during boot |
| [07:52:00] | Cardoe: | thechris: I was just going to say there's a new 0.3.8 ebuild in the portage tree.. Was looking for testers |
| [07:54:00] | Cardoe: | thechris: what howto now on Gentoo Wiki? |
| [07:56:00] | thechris: | Cardoe: oh, i don't use the ebuild |
| [07:57:00] | thechris: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup |
| [07:58:00] | thechris: | the build itself gives meaningful warnings. was meant for the 250/350 line, and doesn't seem to put anything in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ivtv |
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| [07:58:00] | Cardoe: | The ebuild in the tree was for 0.2.x |
| [07:59:00] | Cardoe: | However there was a hidden one for 0.3.7c |
| [07:59:00] | thechris: | sorta hidden |
| [07:59:00] | thechris: | and broken... |
| [07:59:00] | Cardoe: | But just now I commited one for 0.3.8 |
| [07:59:00] | Cardoe: | It worked fine for iggy and I |
| [07:59:00] | dj_segfault: | Yeah, the last thing that I thought Tivo could do that Myth couldn't was automatically finding programs to record, then I see that Myth can actually do regular expression searches!! way cool. I might be better off asking on a Tivo list what they think Tivo can do that Myth can't, I guess. But I'm very happy with the user community I see here. That means more than any fsck'in warrantty or support line to me. Thanks for yo |
| [07:59:00] | thechris: | the old one linked to the /current |
| [07:59:00] | Cardoe: | If it wasn't working why not complain? |
| [07:59:00] | Cardoe: | ? |
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| [08:00:00] | Cardoe: | If I don't get bug reports |
| [08:00:00] | Cardoe: | I can't fix things |
| [08:00:00] | thechris: | Cardoe: i wanted to get the pvr working first |
| [08:00:00] | thechris: | Cardoe: do you have an ebuild for it? |
| [08:00:00] | Cardoe: | For what? |
| [08:00:00] | Cardoe: | the ebuild? |
| [08:00:00] | Cardoe: | emerge --sync |
| [08:00:00] | thechris: | if so — possible to add a pvr500 option? or possible to auto clean duplicate modules |
| [08:00:00] | thechris: | i mean do you maintain the ebuild? |
| [08:01:00] | Cardoe: | You can't delete duplicate modules |
| [08:01:00] | Cardoe: | which is why there's a notice at the bottom |
| [08:01:00] | Cardoe: | it was an issue with the previous upstream author |
| [08:01:00] | Cardoe: | new upstream maintainer as of 0.3.8 |
| [08:02:00] | Cardoe: | who is commited on getting the diff module changes put into the proper v4l2 stack |
| [08:02:00] | Cardoe: | where they belong |
| [08:02:00] | Cardoe: | because ivtv copies the v4l2 stack and just makes changes to it |
| [08:02:00] | Cardoe: | rather then sending those changes back upstream |
| [08:02:00] | thechris: | well, there's more then just msp3400 for dupe modules |
| [08:02:00] | Cardoe: | Which leads to the duplicate module situation |
| [08:02:00] | Cardoe: | Well what else |
| [08:02:00] | thechris: | tveeprom |
| [08:02:00] | thechris: | tuner |
| [08:02:00] | thechris: | i think one more as well |
| [08:02:00] | thechris: | at least on my kernel |
| [08:03:00] | thechris: | tda9887 and msp3400 as well |
| [08:04:00] | Cardoe: | when switching between the ebuild and compiling by hand? |
| [08:04:00] | Cardoe: | because they will install to different directories |
| [08:04:00] | Cardoe: | based on the methods |
| [08:04:00] | Cardoe: | so if you switch between the two |
| [08:04:00] | Cardoe: | you'll have to clean up your kernel at that point |
| [08:05:00] | thechris: | i renamed my kernel when i switched |
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| [08:05:00] | thechris: | with the ebuild version, albeit hacked to get 0.3.8, i couldn't load wm8775 |
| [08:07:00] | guitar256: | still can't get higher than 800x600 resolution: I've checked xrandr and that doesn't have them available, i've also modified xorg.conf to include the right horizontal and vertical sync rates |
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| [08:09:00] | NightMonkey: | Cardoe: Just a suggestion for the ebuild: I keep my lirc options in /etc/env.d/{nn}lirc. Keeps make.conf clean, and all my env vars in one place. |
| [08:10:00] | NightMonkey: | Cardoe: I see the 0.3.7c suggests the make.conf way. |
| [08:10:00] | Cardoe: | I took the suggestion out. |
| [08:10:00] | NightMonkey: | Cardoe: Oh. Why? Wasn't it helpful? |
| [08:11:00] | Cardoe: | Gonna try to change the lirc ebuild. |
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| [08:11:00] | apocalysque: | woah |
| [08:12:00] | NightMonkey: | Cardoe: To detect ivtv, I presume? |
| [08:12:00] | Cardoe: | exactly. |
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| [08:12:00] | NightMonkey: | Cardoe: Cool |
| [08:13:00] | NightMonkey: | Cardoe: So, to test 3.8, do I just need to change the SRC_URI in the 0.3.7c ebuild, or is there more to it? |
| [08:14:00] | Cardoe: | there's more |
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| [08:17:00] | NightMonkey: | Cardoe: OK. So, where do we go to get your ebuild to test? |
| [08:17:00] | Cardoe: | I just commited to CVS |
| [08:17:00] | Cardoe: | so give it a little bit |
| [08:17:00] | Cardoe: | I'm making a change for thechris |
| [08:17:00] | NightMonkey: | Cardoe: OK, will do. |
| [08:19:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | how can I make something automatically start when I log into x? |
| [08:20:00] | apocalysque: | hello chaps, quick question... i'm reading through the docs and list and i'm not quite clear on whether or not the pvr-500 will work properly with both tuners on mythtv. would this be effectively the equivalent of using 2 pvr-250 cards? would i be able to record/hwmp2 encode 2 programs at once using 1 pvr-500? |
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| [08:20:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | apocalysque, I ahve a pvr-500. I have one tuner working so far. have not gotten to the next one. I don't have two inputs as of yuet. :\ |
| [08:23:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | and as I understand it, a pvr 500, is just 2x pvr150's. |
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| [08:24:00] | apocalysque: | thanks WAR_CH|LD |
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| [08:26:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | np, need any help. i've been setting one up all week. :) and just got it all working. :) most of my problems are becaues I am in australia thou. :) |
| [08:26:00] | apocalysque: | hehe |
| [08:26:00] | apocalysque: | i've not even started yet, just researching before i dive in |
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| [08:29:00] | sandos: | WAR_CH|LD: ooh, everything is up-side down, right? ;) |
| [08:34:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah but so are our houses, so it doesn't matter |
| [08:34:00] | thechris: | apocalysque: yes, it will work. i have it working right now |
| [08:35:00] | Cardoe: | http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/ivtv-0.3.8.ebuild |
| [08:36:00] | Cardoe: | It will give you an error about not being able to get the file ivtv |
| [08:36:00] | Cardoe: | just grab http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/ivtv |
| [08:36:00] | Cardoe: | and put that in media-tv/ivtv/files |
| [08:36:00] | thechris: | Cardoe: what of tuner? |
| [08:36:00] | thechris: | the kernel's tuner is different then ivtv's |
| [08:36:00] | Cardoe: | thechris: it tells you to remove the in kernel one |
| [08:37:00] | Cardoe: | an ebuild can not delete the files of another ebuild |
| [08:37:00] | thechris: | so it shouldn't go in $MODULE_NAMES |
| [08:38:00] | Cardoe: | ? |
| [08:38:00] | thechris: | its not listed in $MODULE_NAMES |
| [08:39:00] | Cardoe: | are you looking at the link? |
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| [08:39:00] | Cardoe: | i'll reupload it. |
| [08:39:00] | thechris: | ah |
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| [08:39:00] | Cardoe: | That was one of the corrections I made for the 0.3.8 ebuild |
| [08:39:00] | thechris: | i see. badmods is someplace else |
| [08:39:00] | Cardoe: | it's in MODULE_NAMES |
| [08:40:00] | thechris: | Cardoe: the pvr500 might need to be loaded with the option "tuner=57,57" or 56,56 for PAL |
| [08:40:00] | Cardoe: | hang on |
| [08:41:00] | Cardoe: | I can't force that on |
| [08:41:00] | thechris: | on my setup i2c only gets the first tuner right, then can't find the second. |
| [08:41:00] | Cardoe: | because everyone's settings are going to be different |
| [08:41:00] | thechris: | well, this is true |
| [08:41:00] | thechris: | but what can be done? a message or such? |
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| [08:43:00] | Cardoe: | hang on |
| [08:45:00] | apocalysque: | thechris, thanks |
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| [08:46:00] | Cardoe: | thechris: you realize your guide is kind of weird with the modules |
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| [08:47:00] | thechris: | in what way? |
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| [08:53:00] | Cardoe: | thechris: you're having them update their /etc/modules.d |
| [08:53:00] | Cardoe: | to pass optional params |
| [08:54:00] | Cardoe: | but then you're just setting those parms in your /etc/modules.autoload.d/ |
| [08:54:00] | Cardoe: | so it's pointless to touch /etc/modules.d |
| [08:54:00] | thechris: | thats right |
| [08:55:00] | thechris: | when i specified options in modules.d they got ignored, so i moved on. |
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| [08:56:00] | Cardoe: | update-modules |
| [08:56:00] | thechris: | i've done that countless times |
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| [08:57:00] | thechris: | but who knows, maybe it'll work now. |
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| [08:59:00] | geoff__998e: | any devs awake? |
| [09:00:00] | geoff__998e: | I am looking for help with keybindings |
| [09:00:00] | geoff__998e: | keybindings seem to only work in the main window |
| [09:01:00] | geoff__998e: | if you create a new window |
| [09:01:00] | geoff__998e: | they don't work |
| [09:01:00] | geoff__998e: | anyone? |
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| [09:04:00] | Beirdo: | it's 3am, for chrissakes |
| [09:05:00] | Beirdo: | I wouldn't expect any of the devs to be up |
| [09:05:00] | ** Cardoe shakes Beirdo ** | |
| [09:05:00] | Beirdo: | I have a maintenance window or I'd be asleep too |
| [09:05:00] | geoff__998e: | sorry, 12 here |
| [09:06:00] | Beirdo: | many of the devs are on eastern time |
| [09:06:00] | geoff__998e: | gotcha |
| [09:06:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: what are you breaking? |
| [09:06:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [09:06:00] | Beirdo: | we are swinging a network from one data center to another... live |
| [09:07:00] | geoff__998e: | ouch |
| [09:07:00] | joat: | yay, I can finally change channels |
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| [09:07:00] | Beirdo: | it should go well, in theory |
| [09:07:00] | joat: | spent most of tonight getting the machine back on the network so I could rebuild the channel list again |
| [09:07:00] | Beirdo: | just gotta wait for the network dude to show up at the office |
| [09:07:00] | joat: | stupid wifi bridge |
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| [09:07:00] | Ediehow: | help, my channels are blank now? |
| [09:08:00] | joat: | blank white? |
| [09:08:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: I just realized that this ebuild is going to be hell |
| [09:08:00] | Ediehow: | no i mean, the listings |
| [09:08:00] | joat: | oh |
| [09:08:00] | Beirdo: | heheh. an ebuild... hell? say it isn't so :) |
| [09:08:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: since all the cards use the same firmware name... but different firmwares |
| [09:08:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: btw... I installed Breezy |
| [09:08:00] | Beirdo: | oh fun |
| [09:08:00] | Cardoe: | I like it a lot |
| [09:09:00] | Beirdo: | I like hoary, haven't tried breezy yet |
| [09:09:00] | Ediehow: | Warning at Unknown, line 0: |
| [09:09:00] | Ediehow: | Unknown: write failed: No space left on device (28) Warning at Unknown, line 0: |
| [09:09:00] | Ediehow: | Unknown: Failed to write session data (files). Please verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/var/lib/php/session) |
| [09:09:00] | Cardoe: | I think I'm just gonna patch the ivtv code. |
| [09:09:00] | Beirdo: | but yeah, it's a nice compromize |
| [09:09:00] | Ediehow: | i wonder what happened w/space |
| [09:09:00] | Cardoe: | to append the card type at the end |
| [09:09:00] | Beirdo: | Ediehow, seems you just solved your own problem |
| [09:09:00] | Ediehow: | well, i have 831m free |
| [09:10:00] | joat: | hmm, I'm getting some slight skipping on watching live-tv |
| [09:10:00] | splat1 is now known as splAt1 | |
| [09:10:00] | joat: | should I be on a a64 3000 with a pvr-150 and 512 MB of ram? |
| [09:11:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: yeah so Genesi sent me a PPC board.. I got the Aria for it... |
| [09:11:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: what do they give me... a low profile PVR-150 |
| [09:11:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:11:00] | Cardoe: | doesn't fit at all |
| [09:11:00] | Beirdo: | too long? |
| [09:11:00] | Cardoe: | no |
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| [09:12:00] | Cardoe: | the metal bracket |
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| [09:12:00] | Cardoe: | you know how it's in the shape of an L |
| [09:12:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [09:12:00] | Cardoe: | well it's not like a regular PCI card |
| [09:12:00] | Cardoe: | it's half the length |
| [09:12:00] | Cardoe: | so I can't put the card in cause of the bend |
| [09:12:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh, and they didn't give you the full-height backplate with it |
| [09:12:00] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
| [09:12:00] | Beirdo: | idiots |
| [09:13:00] | Cardoe: | You can swap the backplate? |
| [09:13:00] | Cardoe: | Didn't look like you could |
| [09:13:00] | Beirdo: | I think so |
| [09:13:00] | Beirdo: | not 100% sure |
| [09:13:00] | Beirdo: | but most half-height cards let you |
| [09:14:00] | Cardoe: | hrm. |
| [09:14:00] | Cardoe: | I'll have to try in the morning |
| [09:14:00] | Cardoe: | If I go to get any tools now... I'll wake the demon. |
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| [09:14:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:14:00] | Beirdo: | I should do just that |
| [09:14:00] | Cardoe: | lol |
| [09:14:00] | Beirdo: | she said she'd call at 2:30 to make sure I was up |
| [09:15:00] | Beirdo: | good thing my alarm worked |
| [09:15:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [09:15:00] | Cardoe: | Little late there.... |
| [09:15:00] | twisted_one: | you two are knowledgeable.. =) |
| [09:15:00] | twisted_one: | Any suggestions for running a backend behind a NAT'd firewall? |
| [09:15:00] | Beirdo: | I'll wait until the maint is done then wake her up ;) |
| [09:16:00] | Beirdo: | as long as the frontends are behind that firewall, there's no issue |
| [09:16:00] | twisted_one: | heh, of course =) |
| [09:16:00] | twisted_one: | but you know that one of them cant comply... =\ |
| [09:16:00] | Cardoe: | forward the ports through |
| [09:16:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: are you spreading rumors that you and I are knowledgable again? |
| [09:16:00] | Beirdo: | if they aren't you are likely to run into bandwidth issues |
| [09:17:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: no, hes not, I know both of you from the past =) |
| [09:17:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: I remember ya. Don't worry. Just messing with Beirdo |
| [09:17:00] | twisted_one: | bandwidht is fine |
| [09:17:00] | twisted_one: | thats not an issue |
| [09:17:00] | joat: | anyone have any comments on the occasional skips/jutters? |
| [09:17:00] | twisted_one: | and.... forwarding doesnt quite work |
| [09:17:00] | twisted_one: | joat: cpu usage? |
| [09:17:00] | joat: | dunno, what's a good way to check util? |
| [09:17:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: why not... it's 3 ports. |
| [09:17:00] | twisted_one: | top |
| [09:18:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: well it gets a bit compilcated.... |
| [09:18:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: the frontend connects to the backend just fine |
| [09:18:00] | NightMonkey: | twisted_one: You might need to use a VPN. |
| [09:18:00] | joat: | 20–26% |
| [09:18:00] | twisted_one: | joat: does it spike when it skips? |
| [09:19:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: what hapens is that when I go to watch a video stream, the frontend appears to query the backend for its ip, and the backend responds with the IP it has, but because its a NAT'd IP that particular frontend cannot resolve it. |
| [09:19:00] | joat: | doesn't really seem to |
| [09:20:00] | joat: | it's never for long, just a couple of frames |
| [09:20:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: yeah I'd just VPN it |
| [09:20:00] | joat: | so top (or me) may be missing the spike |
| [09:20:00] | twisted_one: | joat: not really sure then, could be HDD I/O issues, got DMA working. |
| [09:20:00] | twisted_one: | ? |
| [09:20:00] | NightMonkey: | twisted_one: With a VPN (like OpenVPN), you can make it happen. As long as both networks don't share IP ranges. |
| [09:20:00] | joat: | dunno |
| [09:20:00] | twisted_one: | joat: as root run... |
| [09:20:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: file a bug on that. |
| [09:20:00] | twisted_one: | hdparm /dev/hda (or whatever hd your buffer is on) |
| [09:20:00] | Cardoe: | I'll keep it in mind |
| [09:20:00] | joat: | I've had linux running for a few days :D, and the last time I ran linux was on a 486 years ago :D |
| [09:20:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: ok |
| [09:21:00] | Chutt: | it's not a bug. |
| [09:21:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: VPN is semi hard for me to setup, seeing as how my router doesn't support it. |
| [09:21:00] | joat: | nope, not using dma |
| [09:21:00] | Cardoe: | joat: turn it on |
| [09:21:00] | Chutt: | you either give it an externally accessible ip, or you use a vpn |
| [09:21:00] | NightMonkey: | twisted_one: OpenVPN uses SSL – no router problems. |
| [09:21:00] | twisted_one: | joat: hdparm /dev/hda -d1 |
| [09:21:00] | twisted_one: | that shoudl enable dma |
| [09:22:00] | twisted_one: | NightMonkey: will that do what I want it to do though? I thought that will just create a tunnel between the two machines then |
| [09:22:00] | Cardoe: | actually, yeah it should be just giving the IP you told the backend it is |
| [09:22:00] | Chutt: | right. |
| [09:22:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: it is |
| [09:22:00] | Cardoe: | so tell the backend it's external IP |
| [09:22:00] | twisted_one: | then my internal boxes dont work =\ |
| [09:22:00] | twisted_one: | But yeah, that works otherwise =) |
| [09:22:00] | Cardoe: | depends on your router |
| [09:22:00] | NightMonkey: | twisted_one: It can do that, via a point-to-point VPN, but you'll want to do a bridge. Check http://www.openvpn.net/ |
| [09:23:00] | Chutt: | buy a non-shitty router |
| [09:23:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: agreed, looking into it |
| [09:23:00] | twisted_one: | Chutt: basically an iptables box |
| [09:23:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: yeah no bug filing. |
| [09:23:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: ok, I won't. |
| [09:23:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: iptables can make it happen. |
| [09:23:00] | Chutt: | i'd close it as invalid, anyway =) |
| [09:23:00] | Cardoe: | I forget exactly what to set. |
| [09:23:00] | joat: | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| [09:23:00] | twisted_one: | Chutt: I might just open it just for you then. =P |
| [09:23:00] | joat: | but when I do a -i on /dev/hda |
| [09:23:00] | Chutt: | <shrug> |
| [09:24:00] | twisted_one: | Its just a smoothwall box |
| [09:24:00] | Chutt: | you're already on my annoying list |
| [09:24:00] | Cardoe: | I'd probably just get lazy and make it rewrite all outgoing to EXTERN_IP to INTERN_IP |
| [09:24:00] | joat: | it says UDMA5 is the current mode |
| [09:24:00] | Chutt: | you've been asking and receiving the same stupid question for days |
| [09:24:00] | joat: | still reports the use_dma flag as 0 tho |
| [09:24:00] | twisted_one: | joat: you have to make sure your chipset driver is built into your kernel. |
| [09:24:00] | Cardoe: | Chutt: who? |
| [09:24:00] | Chutt: | twisted_one has |
| [09:24:00] | twisted_one: | I have |
| [09:24:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [09:24:00] | twisted_one: | But I keep getting different answers =P |
| [09:24:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: go to the corner and think about what you've done. |
| [09:24:00] | twisted_one: | and I want to explore all of them |
| [09:25:00] | Chutt: | explore all of them? |
| [09:25:00] | Chutt: | all you have to do is give it an external ip |
| [09:25:00] | joat: | anyone know offhand what I need for an asus a8v mobo, before I go mucking about with the kernel again? |
| [09:25:00] | NightMonkey: | twisted_one: Really – OpenVPN is your answer. Check their nicely laid out HOWTOs. |
| [09:25:00] | twisted_one: | ok |
| [09:25:00] | twisted_one: | I shall |
| [09:25:00] | Chutt: | which would be extremely dumb, so a vpn is the way to go |
| [09:25:00] | Cardoe: | anyone using a pvr250 with a newer rev of the firmware then the "recommended"? |
| [09:25:00] | Chutt: | joat, sata? |
| [09:25:00] | joat: | nah, ide |
| [09:26:00] | NightMonkey: | twisted_one: Do you have an internal DNS server to worry about? |
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| [09:26:00] | Cardoe: | yeah I'll agree with the VPN bit |
| [09:26:00] | twisted_one: | NightMonkey: no |
| [09:26:00] | joat: | I think some of the ide channels come through the via chipset, and the raid through a promise ata controller |
| [09:26:00] | NightMonkey: | twisted_one: Good. You'll be fine. |
| [09:26:00] | joat: | I haven't tried to get the raid working yet |
| [09:26:00] | Bhaal: | Does anyone know when the debian mythtv packages are going to be fixed for the new libqt dependencies? |
| [09:26:00] | joat: | still using the boot drive for video |
| [09:26:00] | Chutt: | bhaal. yesterday? |
| [09:26:00] | twisted_one: | joat run lspci to check your chipset |
| [09:26:00] | NightMonkey: | twisted_one: Otherwise, I'd tell you to use the scripts I wrote that are in the OpenVPN contrib/ directory. ;) |
| [09:27:00] | Bhaal: | Chutt: I still cant seem to install them |
| [09:27:00] | Chutt: | compile from source, then |
| [09:27:00] | Chutt: | what you get for using unstable |
| [09:27:00] | Bhaal: | :) |
| [09:27:00] | joat: | I see the K8T800 host bridge, promise 378 controller, via sata controller, etc... |
| [09:28:00] | Chutt: | or just switch to ubuntu, and not have to deal with debian taking forever to switch |
| [09:28:00] | joat: | nothing that specifically looks like a ata controller, unless 378 does non-raid, lesee |
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| [09:28:00] | Bhaal: | Chutt: I dont change distributions on a machine I have been using for years just for the sake of mythtv :) Its just the front end I want... |
| [09:28:00] | Chutt: | joat, if it says it's enabled, and you can run hdparm and get more than a few MB/sec transfers, don't waste time on dma |
| [09:28:00] | Chutt: | ubuntu's debian without the suck |
| [09:29:00] | thechris: | joat — a8v mobo will require a BIOS upgrade if you use a pvr500 |
| [09:29:00] | Deepdelver: | can somebody give me the adres if the log bot |
| [09:29:00] | Chutt: | it's not _really_ a distro change =) |
| [09:29:00] | joat: | I upgraded to latest bios before installing linux |
| [09:30:00] | thechris: | good luck. i finally replaced my POS a8v. recording attempts caused kernel panics |
| [09:30:00] | thechris: | and i had too many issues with it |
| [09:30:00] | joat: | ye gods, 4 MB/sec |
| [09:30:00] | joat: | no wonder it's skipping |
| [09:31:00] | Deepdelver: | do anybody know the link of the log bot they removed in the topic |
| [09:31:00] | Chutt: | google knows |
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| [09:38:00] | mchou: | what chipset is the a8v? |
| [09:39:00] | mchou: | thechris: ^^ |
| [09:40:00] | Chutt: | one of the via k8s |
| [09:40:00] | mchou: | hehe, yeah, wouldnt trust those :) |
| [09:41:00] | Chutt: | did someone on the users list really tell people to comment out lines in c++ with # marks? |
| [09:42:00] | mchou: | haha, no doubt :) |
| [09:42:00] | Cardoe: | http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/ivtv-0.3.8.ebuild |
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| [09:42:00] | Cardoe: | please file bugs for me |
| [09:42:00] | ** Cardoe is off to sleep. ** | |
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| [09:44:00] | mchou: | Well, I guess I receive my capacitors for my mobo in a few days |
| [09:44:00] | mchou: | sigh, what a PITA |
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| [09:47:00] | joat: | kernel building with the via82cxxx module in, hopefully this will do the trick |
| [09:47:00] | ** joat taps fingers impatiently ** | |
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| [10:12:00] | thechris: | sry, was watching hackers |
| [10:12:00] | thechris: | a8b was a k8 with an AMI bios |
| [10:12:00] | thechris: | and had issues with pvr500 — won't boot... |
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| [10:21:00] | twisted_one: | joat: did that work for ya? |
| [10:22:00] | twisted_one: | anyone around able to help with a VPN setup question |
| [10:23:00] | twisted_one: | nevermind, tis already 3am, bedtime |
| [10:23:00] | joat: | seems to |
| [10:23:00] | joat: | haven't tested video yet |
| [10:23:00] | joat: | I took an aside to get sensors working |
| [10:23:00] | joat: | but hdparm now reports 38 MB / sec |
| [10:24:00] | joat: | just a *teensy* bit better than 4 MB/sec |
| [10:27:00] | joat: | woot, got sensors working, except for fan speeds |
| [10:30:00] | joat: | oh yeah, no more skips it looks like |
| [10:30:00] | joat: | thanks a lot twisted_one |
| [10:32:00] | joat: | tommorow, I'll throw together a tsop1838 receiver and play with lirc |
| [10:32:00] | joat: | night all |
| [10:33:00] | k-man__: | GreyFoxx, you still awake? |
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| [13:39:00] | k-man: | whats the purpose of transcoding in mythtv? |
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| [13:41:00] | burly: | move from one codec or bitrate to another |
| [13:42:00] | burly: | especially handy for moving from MPEG2 -> MPEG4 |
| [13:42:00] | burly: | MPEG4 offers higher compression rates for a given quality |
| [13:42:00] | k-man: | burly, when would i have mpeg2? is that what dvb-t streams are? |
| [13:42:00] | burly: | however it requires more processor power to do it, so it's requires faster hardware to do it in real-time |
| [13:43:00] | burly: | you would have MPEG2 if your tv capture card has an MPEG2 encoder on it like many do (Hauppage PVR-150, 250, 350, 500, many other brands as well) |
| [13:43:00] | k-man: | oh |
| [13:43:00] | k-man: | ok |
| [13:43:00] | k-man: | what if i have dvb cards? |
| [13:43:00] | burly: | or if you compress whatever source you are receiving from your card to MPEG2 first |
| [13:43:00] | burly: | you would normally compress to MPEG2 in software in real-time anyways |
| [13:44:00] | k-man: | not dvb afaik |
| [13:44:00] | k-man: | it just stores the stream i thought |
| [13:44:00] | burly: | because it takes significantly less resources to do so in real-time than MPEG4 |
| [13:44:00] | k-man: | oh |
| [13:44:00] | burly: | DVB is an MPEG2 format I am pretty sure |
| [13:44:00] | k-man: | ok |
| [13:44:00] | burly: | it's just a special transport stream name for satellite delivery of it |
| [13:45:00] | k-man: | oh |
| [13:45:00] | k-man: | ok |
| [13:45:00] | burly: | but you can reencode or "transcode" that DVB stream to MPEG4 after the fact in non-real time |
| [13:45:00] | burly: | and what may have been a 2GB file in DVB/MPEG2 may only be 800MB in MPEG4 |
| [13:45:00] | burly: | MPEG4 is usually ~0.5x size of MPEG2 for a given quality level |
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| [13:46:00] | burly: | effectively doubling your storage capacity in terms of "minutes of content" |
| [13:46:00] | k-man: | right |
| [13:46:00] | burly: | you can also do transcoding to move from an .nuv mythtv format to say, a DVD-compliant format |
| [13:46:00] | k-man: | so how do i enable it? |
| [13:47:00] | burly: | so that you can burn a DVD that will play in your stand-alone unit |
| [13:47:00] | k-man: | no |
| [13:47:00] | k-man: | yes |
| [13:47:00] | k-man: | i mean |
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| [13:47:00] | k-man: | how do i enable mpg2->mpg4 transcoding to save space |
| [13:47:00] | k-man: | ? |
| [13:48:00] | burly: | I am not entirely sure how you enable it at this point as I have not made it to that point yet in my install. I have been configuring the hardware/software for mythtv in my freetime after work the last couple of weeks |
| [13:48:00] | k-man: | burly, oh |
| [13:48:00] | k-man: | fair enough |
| [13:48:00] | burly: | however, it is not that difficult and if you cannot find the proper info online, when people start waking up, there will be someone in here who does know |
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| [13:48:00] | burly: | 2 or 3 of my friends are using it and it took them a matter of minutes to configure it |
| [13:48:00] | k-man: | ok |
| [13:48:00] | k-man: | thanks |
| [13:48:00] | burly: | np |
| [13:50:00] | The_Ball: | k-man, setup->tv settings->recording profiles->software encoders->default(if that's what ur using)->automatically transcode after recording |
| [13:51:00] | The_Ball: | got a fast cpu? |
| [13:52:00] | k-man: | the_ball, not that fast |
| [13:52:00] | k-man: | a athlon something or other |
| [13:52:00] | k-man: | entry level cpu |
| [13:52:00] | k-man: | not a screamer |
| [13:53:00] | k-man: | i dunno... is entry level considered fast these days? |
| [13:58:00] | fryfrog: | i'd call anything over 2000 fast |
| [13:58:00] | fryfrog: | ie, amd 2000+ or intel 2ghz |
| [13:58:00] | fryfrog: | well "fast enough" :) |
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| [14:04:00] | k-man: | ok |
| [14:04:00] | k-man: | thanks |
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| [14:06:00] | holy_cow: | anyone here run mythtv on ubuntu? |
| [14:07:00] | holy_cow: | i need some help to debug and install |
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| [14:09:00] | ehaase: | i'm planning to dedicate an entire computer whose sole purpose is to function as a mythtv computer... is there a certain distribution that would be recommended over others? |
| [14:10:00] | k-man: | ehaase, do you have any linux experience already? |
| [14:11:00] | k-man: | holy_cow, ask a specific question and someone might be able to help you |
| [14:13:00] | ehaase: | k-man: i'm very comfortable with gentoo |
| [14:13:00] | ehaase: | but it shouldn't be a problem switching |
| [14:13:00] | ehaase: | as most dists are very similar |
| [14:14:00] | holy_cow: | k-man, k |
| [14:14:00] | holy_cow: | i think i setup everything pretty well but i may have misconfigured something |
| [14:15:00] | holy_cow: | when i start mythfrontend via cli, and select watch tv i get this set of repeating messages in the shell: http://pastebin.com/364464 |
| [14:15:00] | holy_cow: | i am not certain where to being debuggin from here |
| [14:16:00] | Agrajag-: | ehaase: i think it's probably best to use what you're comfortable with |
| [14:16:00] | Agrajag-: | if you're comfortable with gentoo, you probably have other issues |
| [14:16:00] | Agrajag-: | :P |
| [14:16:00] | ehaase: | what you mean |
| [14:17:00] | ehaase: | i just wanna avoid any incompatibility issues... all issues i run into i want to be myth-tv related |
| [14:17:00] | ehaase: | whats the easiest dist to get mythtv running |
| [14:17:00] | Agrajag-: | well i would say debian but im probably biased :) |
| [14:17:00] | ehaase: | better question actually, which dist has the most support? |
| [14:18:00] | Agrajag-: | i think if you're happy with gentoo and know it's ins and outs you should be fine, plenty of people use myth with gentoo |
| [14:18:00] | k-man: | i would say its hard getting myth going on any distro (imho) so you should do it on a distro you know intimately |
| [14:18:00] | Agrajag-: | mythtv support? |
| [14:18:00] | ehaase: | ok, sounds good... |
| [14:18:00] | Agrajag-: | well for total noobs there's a good fedora guide |
| [14:19:00] | ehaase: | will 384MB of RAM be a problem? |
| [14:19:00] | Agrajag-: | but i know most debian users have no trouble figuring it out |
| [14:19:00] | Agrajag-: | no |
| [14:19:00] | ehaase: | i'm guessing its no sufficient =) |
| [14:19:00] | Agrajag-: | it should be ok, people have said 256 is around about the minimum. depends on what you're doing with it though |
| [14:20:00] | Agrajag-: | and what cards you have and ify ou're going to run a frontend on the same box as the backend and such |
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| [14:21:00] | ehaase: | if i setup my mythtv box on a computer accessible to the internet, can i run the frontend from a computer outside its network through the internet? |
| [14:21:00] | ehaase: | if bandwidth isn't an issue that is |
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| [14:22:00] | Agrajag-: | of course |
| [14:22:00] | Agrajag-: | you realise you'll be streaming rather a lot.. so in most cases, bandwidth is an issue |
| [14:23:00] | ehaase: | yeah , just curious tho |
| [14:24:00] | ehaase: | ummm... i'm planning on buying all new hardware, is there certain models that are popular and will work for sure (thats good =))? |
| [14:24:00] | Agrajag-: | check the mailing lists, there's heaps of info about that |
| [14:24:00] | Agrajag-: | in .us the pvrxxx cards seem to be where it's at |
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| [14:25:00] | k-man: | ehaase, are you in the us? |
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| [14:26:00] | ehaase: | yes |
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| [14:28:00] | ehaase: | ok, last question... if i buy a capture card (pvr-250) with a remote, would the remote work nicely with my mythtv setup? |
| [14:28:00] | ehaase: | or is it recommended to have a remote seperate from the capture card |
| [14:29:00] | Agrajag-: | im pretty sure the pvr remotes work fine |
| [14:29:00] | ehaase: | ok, thanks a lot for your time guys, i apprciate it |
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| [14:35:00] | fryfrog: | does anyone know anything about firewire? |
| [14:37:00] | k-man: | holy_cow, did you work out your problem? to me it looks like your tuners aren't tuned to anything |
| [14:38:00] | holy_cow: | nope, i thought i ordered cable the other week, should be active buy maybe its not |
| [14:39:00] | holy_cow: | i just can't tell what the error messages mean basically, or how to make sure the various components are okay to be able to say, cable is not actually running in the apartment |
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| [14:39:00] | holy_cow: | let me ask a tangential question that is far more specific |
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| [14:41:00] | holy_cow: | in answer to this request in shell after configuring myth: Now, please run '/etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend' as root to populate the database |
| [14:41:00] | holy_cow: | with channel information. |
| [14:41:00] | holy_cow: | when i do sudo /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend, the bloody thing seems to run forever, each download request downloads something slightly different in size |
| [14:42:00] | holy_cow: | yet its only slightly different leading me to suspect its not downloading anything at all ... |
| [14:42:00] | holy_cow: | os that command supposed to result in cron downloading endless streams of stuff? i dont see it ever stop |
| [14:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | holy_cow: IT should do about 12–13 of those, and they will all be roughly the ssame size |
| [14:42:00] | holy_cow: | oh okay i will wait to see if it does |
| [14:42:00] | holy_cow: | thx |
| [14:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | well that command isn't a stock part of myth, that's just something some packager provided |
| [14:43:00] | holy_cow: | *nod* |
| [14:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's calling mythfilldatabase to populate your listings |
| [14:43:00] | fryfrog: | it sounds like... |
| [14:43:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, that |
| [14:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | and downloads (in north america) about 12 days of data, 1 day at a time |
| [14:43:00] | Wizard_Guest: | GreyFoxx: whats he lowest in terms of memory a video card should have for a Myth Setup? |
| [14:43:00] | holy_cow: | right, i get the same thing when running that command, but i thought the myth config did that automatically |
| [14:43:00] | holy_cow: | ohhhh, its for days of data |
| [14:43:00] | holy_cow: | i see |
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| [14:44:00] | DonLKSAB: | Hi all |
| [14:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | Wizard_Guest: I'd st4ick to a 64m,eg card just to have flexibility in resolutions if you ever want to use hdtv |
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| [14:45:00] | Wizard_Guest: | and would there be any benefit if I were to go higher? |
| [14:45:00] | Wizard_Guest: | like to 128? |
| [14:45:00] | Wizard_Guest: | cause every board I'm looking at has PCI-e |
| [14:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | more is always better :) |
| [14:51:00] | laga_: | re |
| [14:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | wont help you much r4eally with myth, but it wont hurt to have |
| [14:51:00] | Wizard_Guest: | :) |
| [14:51:00] | Wizard_Guest: | kewl |
| [14:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've use pci-e at all, so I can't really comment on that |
| [14:51:00] | Wizard_Guest: | does Linux support onboard WLAN? |
| [14:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | onboard Wireless ? |
| [14:52:00] | Wizard_Guest: | cause I know their support for add-on cards are spotty |
| [14:52:00] | holy_cow: | ah okay |
| [14:52:00] | holy_cow: | at leastnow i'm getting channel check failure |
| [14:52:00] | holy_cow: | that i can work with |
| [14:52:00] | holy_cow: | :) |
| [14:52:00] | Wizard_Guest: | yeah, the ASUS board I'm looking at has onboard WLAN-G |
| [14:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | Wizard_Guest: Couldn't tell ya. Would depend on the chipset of the "Card" |
| [14:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | onboard devices are merely pci devices embedded on the motherboard. |
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| [14:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | I couldn't tell you if your particular chipset is supported or not |
| [14:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | But even if there is no official support you could likely use the NDIS wrappers to use the windows drivers under linux |
| [14:54:00] | holy_cow: | okay next question... where can i verify what channel table frequency my local cable provider is using? |
| [14:55:00] | Wizard_Guest: | gotcha |
| [14:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | holy_cow: Call them |
| [14:56:00] | holy_cow: | doh! |
| [14:56:00] | holy_cow: | makes sense |
| [14:56:00] | holy_cow: | :) |
| [14:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | Though it's likely something like us-cable |
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| [14:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | I just checked mine and it's us-cable. A few places in the US are also us-cable-hrc, but I've never heard of a canadian outfit that wasn't just us-cable |
| [14:58:00] | holy_cow: | oh for fuck sakes |
| [14:58:00] | holy_cow: | got it |
| [14:59:00] | holy_cow: | so first gotta make sure the db is populated |
| [14:59:00] | holy_cow: | second make sure the right frequency table is used |
| [14:59:00] | holy_cow: | and third make sure the input card uses the right vid source |
| [14:59:00] | holy_cow: | fourth make sure vid source uses the right channel source |
| [15:00:00] | holy_cow: | reception is terrible tho |
| [15:00:00] | holy_cow: | heh |
| [15:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well you configure the freqtable and vid source, then make the input has the right video source, then populate the listings |
| [15:00:00] | holy_cow: | i preffer to do it the hard way obviously |
| [15:00:00] | holy_cow: | >_> |
| [15:00:00] | holy_cow: | now gotta fix the sound |
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| [15:03:00] | de-v: | hi,m again |
| [15:03:00] | de-v: | does anyone in here have an idea as to why mythfrontend uses twice the amount of resources xine does to play the same nupplevideofile over the network? |
| [15:04:00] | de-v: | is myths code just not streamlined like xine? have an underpowered laptop (ibm 600x) i want to use mythfrontend on, i can play any file over xine over http, but no commercial skipping.. so would rather use mythfrontend |
| [15:04:00] | de-v: | but i cant get it playing smooth.. prebuffering pause constantly, small pause every couple seconds |
| [15:04:00] | de-v: | sigh./ |
| [15:05:00] | de-v: | xine is even useing ffmpeg, with myth uses ffmpeg it skips like crazy. i have it useing libmpeg and its better... but come on why is xine so much faster? heh |
| [15:05:00] | holy_cow: | *hmmm* how do you increase the volume via keyboard? |
| [15:05:00] | de-v: | grep -i volume keys.txt |
| [15:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | holy_cow ummm f10 / f11 I think |
| [15:05:00] | holy_cow: | danke |
| [15:05:00] | de-v: | keys.txt is your friend |
| [15:06:00] | holy_cow: | appreciate thyat |
| [15:06:00] | de-v: | holy_cow: i would still find keys.txt on your localsystem |
| [15:06:00] | de-v: | lots of other keys besides volume ;) |
| [15:06:00] | holy_cow: | *nod* indeed :) right |
| [15:06:00] | holy_cow: | yes since i don't have lirc compiled yet |
| [15:07:00] | de-v: | wtf, myth useing qt for network streaming? |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | de-v: Myth has it's own protocol, but I don't know offhand if it's using QT for handling the network traffic |
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| [15:08:00] | de-v: | guess they dont care about speed heh |
| [15:08:00] | de-v: | "oh well, everyone will be useing amd64's anyway, so who cares" |
| [15:08:00] | de-v: | all this work to get this working on this laptop, and the code is bloat. |
| [15:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | any QT related load is negligible |
| [15:09:00] | de-v: | class HttpStatus : public QServerSocket |
| [15:09:00] | de-v: | GreyFoxx: there is a very noticeable difference between xine and mythfrontend for the same nuv, one over http the other over builtin qt |
| [15:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | That partiocular class only used for mythweather I believe |
| [15:09:00] | de-v: | noticeable difference as in, it skips |
| [15:10:00] | de-v: | ive spent several days compiling crap on this gentoo laptop to get this working, only to find its futile |
| [15:10:00] | de-v: | aggrevation++ |
| [15:10:00] | de-v: | but its only futile if i want the nice little interface |
| [15:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | de-v: I still doubt It's the QT socket handlers causing the difference. |
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| [15:11:00] | de-v: | wish nightmonkey was on, he's got a 600x |
| [15:11:00] | de-v: | and has myth working with no skips too heh |
| [15:11:00] | de-v: | said it was just nptl |
| [15:11:00] | de-v: | hrmph |
| [15:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | I ran a frontend on a old 600MHZ laptop, hell I ran it on a P166 (though hardware decoding) for a while |
| [15:12:00] | de-v: | this is p3 450mhz |
| [15:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | The machine you are playing it on? |
| [15:12:00] | de-v: | yup |
| [15:12:00] | de-v: | my backend is not a p3 :) |
| [15:12:00] | de-v: | hehehe :) |
| [15:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well that doesn't shock me if you are having problems. Xine must be pretty close to the wire too , regardless of whether you see it skipping |
| [15:13:00] | de-v: | yes, 100% cpu |
| [15:13:00] | de-v: | mplayer and xine |
| [15:13:00] | de-v: | but both do not skip, and both look better than mythfrontend has to be (deinterlace one linear is the only one it skips less frequently in) |
| [15:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | they are probably just dropping frames in a more graceful manner :) |
| [15:14:00] | de-v: | they're not dropping frames because the video doesnt stop, audio doesnt stop |
| [15:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | it doesn't need to "stop" |
| [15:14:00] | de-v: | if i turn off audio buffering in myth, video is smooth, but audio drops out :) |
| [15:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can quietly drop frames without a user knowing depending on the framerate |
| [15:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | buyt only up to a point before they notice |
| [15:14:00] | de-v: | GreyFoxx: whatever mplayer and xine are doing, if they're dropping anything,. they're completely transparent to the user experience |
| [15:15:00] | de-v: | watched 20minutes of a 1hour show in xine, no problem |
| [15:15:00] | de-v: | myth skips when it starts, and keeps skipping |
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| [15:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | de-v: Then feel free to profile the relevant sections of the myth player and submit your patches :) |
| [15:15:00] | de-v: | fortunately, im not a coder |
| [15:15:00] | de-v: | =] |
| [15:15:00] | de-v: | i see sunlight |
| [15:15:00] | de-v: | it rules. |
| [15:15:00] | sandos: | hah |
| [15:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | Being a coder does not require one to live in your parents basement and never go outside despite the old sterotype :) |
| [15:16:00] | de-v: | im not looking to bash myth, im looking for someone to say "dude, you're an idiot, you ddnt do xxx" |
| [15:16:00] | de-v: | because im looked and read and looked and read and googled and read and found nothing to help |
| [15:17:00] | de-v: | its the old "prebuffering pause" issue :) |
| [15:17:00] | de-v: | the "your shit is too slow to run this stuff" message. |
| [15:17:00] | de-v: | grefoxx: very true, plenty of devs at my job that have their own apartments, but they stay there and never go outside instead of their parents basement ;) |
| [15:18:00] | de-v: | though, doing security audits i find myself stuck inside alot too :) |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | de-v: I Kayak 4 days a week, and am a Coder both professionally and as a hobby :) |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | So if they stay home it's cause they prefer the isolation :) |
| [15:19:00] | de-v: | they do, i bet, they're farely strange |
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| [15:20:00] | de-v: | out of curiousity, why doesnt it make a difference what res you run mythfrontend in? |
| [15:20:00] | de-v: | if the problem is displaying video, res would make a hell of a difference |
| [15:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | What do you mean ? |
| [15:20:00] | de-v: | x in 1024x768x24 has the same amount of skipping that x in 640x480x16 has |
| [15:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | The video is set to XV, it/your video hardware handles scaling |
| [15:21:00] | de-v: | same thing running with --geom |
| [15:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | So it take smore more effort on the part of a video player to display it |
| [15:21:00] | holy_cow: | allrighty now the sound |
| [15:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | If your driver didn't have XV support and it was failing back toX11 out then it would make a huge difference |
| [15:22:00] | holy_cow: | i'm using ubuntu, gnome 2.10, and the esd sound system |
| [15:22:00] | de-v: | so what would be the most efficient res to run x in to have it use the least effort — yeah, i had xv problems in the beginning, had to specifiy overlaymem in xorg, no problemo, full xv support (again, xine, no problems) |
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| [15:22:00] | holy_cow: | what is the proper sound out device again? i tried dsp, adsp, and audo in /dev, but so far nothing, and mute is turned off |
| [15:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | de-v: Maybe I wasn't clear. With XV it doesn't matter what res you use as the hardware scales it for you. |
| [15:24:00] | de-v: | oh. |
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| [15:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | You tell XV how big and where, and send it frames. It draws/scales them |
| [15:25:00] | de-v: | p3 450 that cant play mpeg2 video |
| [15:25:00] | de-v: | that is so funny. |
| [15:25:00] | de-v: | oh but it can |
| [15:25:00] | de-v: | just not in myth |
| [15:25:00] | de-v: | heh. |
| [15:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | *sigh* |
| [15:25:00] | laga_: | you're probably using deinterlacing algorithm or a noise filter |
| [15:26:00] | de-v: | not as big of a sigh as on this end dicking around with this thing for 4 days |
| [15:26:00] | de-v: | i am useing deinterlace, same in xine |
| [15:26:00] | de-v: | im useing the one linear, the crappiest one |
| [15:27:00] | de-v: | deinterlacing off, still prebuffer pause — although, less, i must say |
| [15:27:00] | de-v: | hrm, alot less.. |
| [15:27:00] | de-v: | Cpu(s): 88.7% us, 5.2% sy, 0.0% ni, 5.2% id, 0.0% wa, 1.0% hi, 0.0% si |
| [15:27:00] | de-v: | ah, some idle cpu |
| [15:27:00] | de-v: | but bllaahhh i want deinterlacccciinnggg heh |
| [15:29:00] | laga_: | well, try overclocking the cpu ;) |
| [15:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | When you compiled myth.....did you by chances specify it as a debug compile ? |
| [15:29:00] | ** laga_ has got a p3 450 sitting here waiting to become a frontend ** | |
| [15:29:00] | de-v: | GreyFoxx: no, no debugging |
| [15:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cause that makes a noticable difference |
| [15:29:00] | de-v: | laga_ good luck... having plenty of problems over here |
| [15:32:00] | de-v: | cant really say that, not problems, just, i want it perfect and its not :(( hehe |
| [15:33:00] | laga_: | de-v: well, i'm going to use xvmc to off-load my CPU. should work fine. |
| [15:34:00] | de-v: | oh, right, forgot about that goodie. wish i had an nvidia chipset in this laptop heh |
| [15:34:00] | de-v: | neomagic bullcrap heh |
| [15:34:00] | laga_: | ugh ;) |
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| [15:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hrm, work ... or .... work on mythgame changes..... hrm |
| [15:41:00] | laga_: | mythagem. or mythslax. ;) |
| [15:41:00] | de-v: | i have a slightly higher bitrate for recordings than livetv, its just high enough to skip where livetv doesnt haha. my luck with this rules |
| [15:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe I know I know, all I have to do is make a module fo rlirc too hehe |
| [15:42:00] | laga_: | well, adjust your bitrate ;) |
| [15:42:00] | laga_: | GreyFoxx: you know your beta testers ;) |
| [15:42:00] | de-v: | yeah just did to match lol. i must have been pretty high setting that up because i thoughgt i had live and default the same lol |
| [15:43:00] | de-v: | laga_: i appreciate that deinterlace spack |
| [15:43:00] | de-v: | smack |
| [15:43:00] | de-v: | all the crap and switches and settings i turned off and on i never thought, hrm, lets just turn deinterlacing off. sure it'll look a little crappy but lets see what happens. |
| [15:43:00] | de-v: | sigh heh. |
| [15:44:00] | de-v: | all this trouble so i can commercial skip still heh |
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| [15:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga_: mythgame wins for the moment. I made some changes to the game scanning and it is much faster than the previous implementation, but it's dramatically slower than I expected it to be |
| [15:44:00] | de-v: | once you have it, you cant go back |
| [15:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | BUT I think I see what I need to change |
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| [15:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Gotta love 1 line changes that made huge differences :) |
| [15:46:00] | laga_: | GreyFoxx: that's nice :). i cant use mythgame at the moment because my gamepad seems to forgot it's keys – it sends different codes for the keys every time i re-plug it (imho, havent verified it yet) |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | ouch |
| [15:47:00] | laga_: | yep |
| [15:47:00] | laga_: | and i dont feel like firing up zsnes to confgure my gamepad every time i'm up for a quick game |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think this change will take my gamescan down from 8 minutes to closer to 2 |
| [15:47:00] | laga_: | because it's a PITA to use it with my IR keyboard ;) |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | if not less |
| [15:47:00] | laga_: | GreyFoxx: nice :). i dont have that many games, fortunately |
| [15:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | previously it use to take almost 40 minutes |
| [15:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [15:49:00] | holycow: | *hmmm* still no sound |
| [15:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | The new method almost preserves any customized meta data that the user changed |
| [15:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | s/almost/also/g |
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| [15:52:00] | ehaase: | has the broadcast flag thing been enforced yet? |
| [15:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | It was shot down |
| [15:52:00] | ehaase: | ok, its not in the process of trying to get up and running again? |
| [15:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | BUT apparently some Tivo software update and misconfigured tv broadcasters caused some issues fior a few tivo people |
| [15:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | ehaase: They will never stop trying |
| [15:53:00] | ehaase: | hehe, but its not anywhere close to being enforced right? |
| [15:53:00] | ehaase: | i'm not in a rush to purchase a tuner? |
| [15:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [15:53:00] | ehaase: | ok, thanks =) |
| [15:54:00] | ehaase: | hauppauge's pvr series aren't hdtv? |
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| [15:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | no, sdtv only |
| [15:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | unless they have a new one I've not seen yet |
| [15:55:00] | ehaase: | whats a popular hdtv card then? i was told Hauppauge is the way to go... |
| [15:55:00] | ehaase: | i need a starting point for my research =) |
| [15:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | the air2pc and pchdtv3000 cards are about the main ones used |
| [15:55:00] | ehaase: | which ones more popular |
| [15:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | but you'd be best off emailing the -users list for those |
| [15:56:00] | ehaase: | ok, hanks |
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| [16:00:00] | holycow: | ok i think i've exhausted all my googles |
| [16:00:00] | holycow: | what steps might you guys recommend for debugging sound out issues |
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| [16:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | First I'd look a the output of the frontend to see if it reports any problems :) |
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| [16:01:00] | holycow: | oh right right |
| [16:04:00] | holycow: | i don't see anything of particular issue here --> http://pastebin.com/364545 |
| [16:04:00] | holycow: | lol volume is up, i can play mp3's via beep media player for example |
| [16:04:00] | Beirdo: | uhd my guhd. flu is nasty! |
| [16:05:00] | holycow: | so myth uses mplayer does it? |
| [16:05:00] | holycow: | maybe its mplayer thats the problem |
| [16:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | holycow: no |
| [16:05:00] | Beirdo: | it uses mplayer for mythvideo, not for TV |
| [16:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | And even then you can use the internal player |
| [16:05:00] | Beirdo: | true |
| [16:05:00] | holycow: | oh |
| [16:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | holycow: So it's configured to use OSS sound ? looks like it's openning /dev/dsp without a problem |
| [16:07:00] | holycow: | ess |
| [16:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | "Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'." |
| [16:07:00] | holycow: | esd i mean |
| [16:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | Though I don't use any of those sound daemons so I don't know what in particular you would do to get it working with them |
| [16:08:00] | holycow: | right |
| [16:08:00] | holycow: | would anyone know what the right /dev device is for esd? |
| [16:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't think there is one |
| [16:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | In fact a few seconds on google shows that a lot of people recommened disabling artsd(KDE) and or esd before launching myth |
| [16:09:00] | holycow: | oh really? |
| [16:09:00] | holycow: | ah wait |
| [16:09:00] | holycow: | tried that |
| [16:10:00] | ** GreyFoxx quotes the myth docs " Also, ensure that no other programs are grabbing the audio output, like arts or esd" ** | |
| [16:10:00] | holycow: | *hmmm* |
| [16:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | But this might help you: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-21.ht . . . ooting_Audio |
| [16:11:00] | holycow: | yeah i followed that |
| [16:11:00] | holycow: | xawtv crashes so i cant use that ... |
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| [16:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | What kind of capture card ? |
| [16:12:00] | holycow: | pvr 250 |
| [16:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | xawtv wouldn't be an option then :) |
| [16:12:00] | holycow: | sure is pointing back to that now isn't it? |
| [16:12:00] | holycow: | oh thats why it crashes :) |
| [16:12:00] | ** laga_ hands beirdo some cold medicine ** | |
| [16:12:00] | holycow: | well i was thinkin of buying the one capture card designed for linux |
| [16:12:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | xsawtv works with framegrabbers /bttv devices only |
| [16:13:00] | Beirdo: | it's a flu-like illness, not a cold |
| [16:13:00] | Beirdo: | but thanks |
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| [16:13:00] | Beirdo: | it's mostly gone too |
| [16:13:00] | laga: | Beirdo: great :) |
| [16:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | holycow: Maybe the audio on the card is muted ? |
| [16:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | Is ESD disabled right now ? |
| [16:13:00] | holycow: | no, because i can play mp3's |
| [16:13:00] | holycow: | or dvds, or wahtever |
| [16:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | I mean the capture card |
| [16:14:00] | holycow: | f9 says mute off |
| [16:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | I MEAN THE CAPTURE CARD |
| [16:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | You are referring to the sound card :) |
| [16:14:00] | holycow: | *humm* clearly i'm misunderstanding :) |
| [16:14:00] | holycow: | lol |
| [16:14:00] | holycow: | where would i check that? |
| [16:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | first, is esd disabled right now ? |
| [16:15:00] | holycow: | killed off yes |
| [16:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | ivtvctl -a | egrep Volume\|Mute |
| [16:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | will show if the capture card is muted+ the volume on the card |
| [16:16:00] | holycow: | Mute = 0 |
| [16:16:00] | holycow: | oh thats neat, i didn't know about that :) |
| [16:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | And Volume ? |
| [16:16:00] | holycow: | Volume = 58950 |
| [16:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | should be high enough |
| [16:17:00] | holycow: | ioctl: VIDIOC_G_OUTPUT failed <-- don't know what that means tho |
| [16:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | try playing it with mplayer |
| [16:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | ignore that |
| [16:17:00] | holycow: | k. |
| [16:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | mplayer /dev/video0 |
| [16:23:00] | holycow: | okay it plays video still no sound |
| [16:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | hrm |
| [16:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | ok |
| [16:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | maybe you have a conflicting msp3400 module |
| [16:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | The ivtv drivers provide one that needs to be used instead of the kernel provided one |
| [16:25:00] | holycow: | okay i did notice that for some reason i have a k7 kernel installed when running an intel cpu tho |
| [16:25:00] | holycow: | i thought i removed that |
| [16:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | unload msp3400, verify there is only 1 and it is the ivtv provided one and reload it |
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| [16:27:00] | holycow: | i will haveto leave this for later, i appreciate your help |
| [16:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | have fun :) |
| [16:27:00] | holycow: | i knew i tried most things, the last bits i really appreciate, i had no clue about those commands |
| [16:27:00] | holycow: | :) |
| [16:27:00] | malaTG: | Hi everyone! I have some problems that maybe someone could help me with configuring the tv-part in myth |
| [16:28:00] | malaTG: | I configured everything but can-t change channel |
| [16:28:00] | malaTG: | I have to change with the ptune-ui outside of myth |
| [16:29:00] | holycow: | GreyFoxx, oh |
| [16:29:00] | holycow: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.ht . . . ing_pvraudio |
| [16:29:00] | holycow: | i didn't see that before, says just like you said! |
| [16:29:00] | holycow: | okay :) bookmarking that |
| [16:29:00] | holycow: | cool thx! |
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| [16:29:00] | holycow: | i think that is the only logical conclusion considering we checked everything |
| [16:30:00] | holycow: | card isn't capturing audio |
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| [16:35:00] | malaTG: | no one knows why I can't change channel? |
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| [16:43:00] | maniacxs: | malaTG, what happenes? |
| [16:49:00] | malaTG: | well I can change channel with ptune-ui outside |
| [16:49:00] | malaTG: | but when I try to change channel in myth it stays at the same channel |
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| [16:50:00] | malaTG: | The picture stops as if it changes but it stays on the same channel |
| [16:50:00] | holycow: | is a .o module file the same as a .ko module file? |
| [16:50:00] | laga: | no |
| [16:50:00] | malaTG: | don't really know where to start looking either |
| [16:51:00] | laga: | .o (bject) files are for kernel 2.4.x and older, .ko (kernel object) files are for 2.6 |
| [16:51:00] | holycow: | ohhh! |
| [16:51:00] | holycow: | right |
| [16:51:00] | holycow: | thanks |
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| [16:51:00] | malaTG: | don't know if it some setting or something myth maybe don't have permisson to change channel I don't know? |
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| [16:54:00] | malaTG: | Do I have to enter the frequenzies manually? |
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| [16:55:00] | malaTG: | In mythtv-setup? |
| [16:55:00] | laga: | no |
| [16:55:00] | laga: | try the website of your cable provider or scantv – if you're using analog |
| [16:56:00] | ** Beirdo thinks laga got bitten by a m00se ** | |
| [16:56:00] | laga: | because he's swedish?! |
| [16:57:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:57:00] | Beirdo: | hey, I'm allowed to be a bit silly |
| [16:57:00] | Beirdo: | and I can't get my keyboard to make the right characters |
| [16:58:00] | ** laga performs the moose test with beirdo ** | |
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| [16:58:00] | Beirdo: | I have a m00se at home |
| [16:58:00] | Beirdo: | he wears my rings on his antlers when I sleep |
| [16:58:00] | laga: | sad that i don't wear rings |
| [16:58:00] | schtinky: | oh man I'm so close... I got lirc working finally (verified by irw) but the remote doesn't do anything in mythtv. I'm sure this is simple. Any ideas? |
| [17:00:00] | burly: | have you created the ~/.mythtv/lircrc file |
| [17:00:00] | ** laga is off to get his homework done ** | |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | homework. bah! |
| [17:00:00] | laga: | Beirdo: analysis. so much fun. |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | ANALysis |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:01:00] | laga: | Beirdo: and middle high german. ;) |
| [17:01:00] | Beirdo: | oh, fuck :0 |
| [17:01:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:01:00] | ** Beirdo is glad he doesn't have homework anymore ** | |
| [17:01:00] | malaTG: | ahhh it worked if I entered the frequenies manually :-) |
| [17:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'd rather be in school/do homework than have my job :) |
| [17:01:00] | schtinky: | burly, no |
| [17:02:00] | schtinky: | burly, is it just a copy of my ~/.lircrc file? |
| [17:02:00] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: not if I have to pay tuition or write exams |
| [17:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | If someone paid the bills I'd go back to school in a heart beat |
| [17:02:00] | burly: | schtinky: that is the file that mythtv uses to map lirc events to commands |
| [17:02:00] | burly: | you can even just symlink ./mythtv/lircrc to ~/.lircrc if you already have one |
| [17:03:00] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: but I hear ya, school had its moments |
| [17:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'd enjoy that much more than this work crap :) |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | I'd rather with the 6/49 |
| [17:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | Even better :) |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | win, rather |
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| [17:04:00] | schtinky: | burly: I appreciate the help. That didn't work though... .mythtv/lircrc -> /home/cyrus/.lircrc yet still nothing when myth fired up |
| [17:04:00] | ** Beirdo slaps himself ** | |
| [17:05:00] | Krazylegz: | Did Beirdo finally realize that he's in Canada? |
| [17:06:00] | ** Beirdo slaps Krazylegz with a trout ** | |
| [17:06:00] | burly: | schtinky: you have to program all the commands for mythtv in the lircrc file |
| [17:06:00] | burly: | the one that comes out of the box isn't going to work |
| [17:07:00] | malaTG: | Ok know I have a new problem....:-) The sound works on two channels but not the rest anyone has any ideas? |
| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | the rest? |
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| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | stereo has two channels |
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| [17:08:00] | malaTG: | I have around 10 tv-channels the sound only works on two |
| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | ohhhh |
| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | that's what you mean |
| [17:09:00] | malaTG: | yeaa :-) |
| [17:09:00] | Beirdo: | Hmm, that's odd, dunno |
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| [17:09:00] | anti-ecm: | hi all |
| [17:09:00] | malaTG: | I have a pvr-150 card |
| [17:10:00] | anti-ecm: | looking for help with fta?? |
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| [17:11:00] | anti-ecm: | am i in wrong channel does anyone sugguest a channel |
| [17:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | anti-ecm: #dvb might be a better place |
| [17:13:00] | anti-ecm: | thz dude |
| [17:13:00] | anti-ecm: | thz |
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| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | ok Gentoo kids |
| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | if we could test the 0.3.8 ebuild |
| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | for ivtv |
| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | that would be super. |
| [17:58:00] | Wizard_Guest: | does anyone know if the PCHDTC3000 works w/ Gentoo/ |
| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | Cause it's coming out of mask this weekend |
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| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | Wizard_Guest: why not? |
| [17:59:00] | Wizard_Guest: | well, the site says compatiable with Fedora and Red-hat |
| [17:59:00] | Wizard_Guest: | was wonderng if it would eb a pain to get ti to work w/ Gentoo |
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| [18:04:00] | Wizard_Guest: | can anyone reccomend a good PCI-e card? |
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| [19:17:00] | MrSpiffy: | my brain hurts |
| [19:18:00] | laga: | i've got a headache, too |
| [19:18:00] | kormoc: | just donate the brain to science, no brain, no pain as they say. |
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| [19:19:00] | hadees: | I am finally getting my air2pc cards |
| [19:19:00] | hadees: | thanks god |
| [19:19:00] | hadees: | thank god |
| [19:21:00] | MrSpiffy: | *joy* |
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| [19:30:00] | MrSpiffy: | my tv room does not have a network drop in it |
| [19:30:00] | MrSpiffy: | this bums me out |
| [19:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | go wireless ? |
| [19:30:00] | MrSpiffy: | tried that in test mode |
| [19:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | not enough oomf |
| [19:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | b or g ? |
| [19:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | I was surprised – but not so much. perhaps a power prob or an interrupts prob but it didn;t work out for me |
| [19:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | g |
| [19:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | b = iffy, g should be fine |
| [19:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | diskless frontend |
| [19:32:00] | MrSpiffy: | like I said – could be a power or interrupt problem |
| [19:32:00] | MrSpiffy: | but it won't work diskless anyway – no PXE |
| [19:32:00] | MrSpiffy: | bummed me out |
| [19:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | You don't need PXE to do diskless |
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| [19:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | etherboot on afloppy would do |
| [19:33:00] | sandos: | right, Ive done floppy-based "diskless" =) |
| [19:33:00] | MrSpiffy: | eh |
| [19:33:00] | sandos: | USB should work too on newer hardware I guess? |
| [19:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | usb would work |
| [19:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | or a bootable CD |
| [19:33:00] | MrSpiffy: | problems with usb boot on my setup |
| [19:33:00] | MrSpiffy: | also |
| [19:34:00] | MrSpiffy: | tried that to start install |
| [19:34:00] | ** jluk wandered off to do something important ** | |
| [19:35:00] | MrSpiffy: | wireless failed testing – frontend stopped for no reason while watching, only worked with antenae straight up on top of the tv, could not play avi's with mplayer (skippey) |
| [19:35:00] | MrSpiffy: | and this was with the AP in te next room |
| [19:35:00] | MrSpiffy: | tv room is farther away |
| [19:35:00] | MrSpiffy: | so I returned the card |
| [19:35:00] | MrSpiffy: | so much the pity |
| [19:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | MrSpiffy: then you have some serious issues on that card if it can't stream it from so close |
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| [19:36:00] | MrSpiffy: | either the card, or a power problem or interrupt issue |
| [19:36:00] | MrSpiffy: | I fiddled with interrupts for hours |
| [19:36:00] | MrSpiffy: | could not get it's own – always shared |
| [19:36:00] | MrSpiffy: | linksys rt2500 |
| [19:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | sharing shouldn't be a problem either |
| [19:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | shouldn;t be |
| [19:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | but it still failed |
| [19:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | after a week of messing with it I gave up |
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| [19:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | I have the same mplayer problem on my wireless laptop |
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| [19:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | something wrong with the stream |
| [19:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Buy a wireless bridge, then interrupts aren't a problem :) |
| [19:38:00] | MrSpiffy: | btw I use wep/3des |
| [19:38:00] | MrSpiffy: | hmm |
| [19:38:00] | MrSpiffy: | I'd need 2 of them |
| [19:39:00] | MrSpiffy: | pxe would work that way too |
| [19:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | well 1 per wireless frontend |
| [19:39:00] | MrSpiffy: | hmm |
| [19:39:00] | MrSpiffy: | hmmmmmm |
| [19:39:00] | MrSpiffy: | it has it's own power source |
| [19:39:00] | MrSpiffy: | no irq |
| [19:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [19:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | lan->wb---ap |
| [19:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
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| [19:40:00] | seme: | hi guys |
| [19:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | hmm |
| [19:40:00] | seme: | and ladies ;) |
| [19:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | we have those here? |
| [19:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | *gasp* |
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| [19:40:00] | seme: | probably not but I'll cover myself anyway ;) |
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| [19:41:00] | snerfu: | I have really choppy video with I run mythbackend in the background with &, I have to give it a seperate window for things to function smoothly. |
| [19:42:00] | seme: | can anyone help me get XVideo working |
| [19:43:00] | seme: | when I type xvinfo it says no adapters present |
| [19:43:00] | seme: | I'm using a radeon X300 card |
| [19:44:00] | seme: | do I have to add an option to my xorg.conf to enable XVideo.. the xorg.conf man page says it should be enabled by default |
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| [19:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | damn |
| [19:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | wireless brige is a "b" |
| [19:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can get g's as well |
| [19:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | still looking |
| [19:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | ahhh |
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| [19:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | WET54G V2.0 |
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| [19:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | There are several of them out there |
| [19:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | GreyFoxx, btw I checked with the developer of keyWatcher – it does not map multi key presses. He liked the idea though and may implement it |
| [19:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | this one is made by linksys, and is a wireless g bridge, but it's marketed differently and most importantly cheaper :) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- . . . =electronics |
| [19:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | I'm checking the price on this one |
| [19:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?chil . . . sitorWrapper |
| [19:48:00] | ** GreyFoxx goes to lunch ** | |
| [19:50:00] | seme: | damn.. looks like I need XVideo... It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available. |
| [19:50:00] | seme: | is anyone else using the X300 card... I thought XVideo was supported on this card |
| [19:53:00] | MrSpiffy: | I wonder what the diff is between a gaming adatper and a bridge |
| [19:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | perhaps just one device can use it... |
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| [20:04:00] | malaTG: | Does anyone here use a pvr-150 MCE card? |
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| [20:04:00] | ** juski beleives one or two people in the whole world use PVR-150 MCE cards ** | |
| [20:05:00] | malaTG: | okey :-) |
| [20:05:00] | juski: | 'sup, malaTG ? |
| [20:05:00] | malaTG: | good a little trouble though |
| [20:06:00] | malaTG: | probabley some firmware issues |
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| [20:06:00] | juski: | well ivtv isn't quite stable for some people with 150 cards just yet |
| [20:07:00] | malaTG: | okey do you know much about firmware upgrades? |
| [20:08:00] | juski: | just download the latest windows driver, and use the ivtv firmware extraction utility to pull the firmware from the driver (I think) |
| [20:08:00] | malaTG: | okey I read something about and it seemed a bit different for 150 cards but i still get the buggy message in the log file |
| [20:09:00] | juski: | the firmware is 'soft' – i.e. you don't 'upgrade' the card with it |
| [20:09:00] | juski: | I imagine you'd need to use PVR150 firmware though |
| [20:09:00] | malaTG: | yea |
| [20:09:00] | malaTG: | I did that however I still get the buggy message |
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| [20:10:00] | tlichti: | Has anyone gotten nuvexport to work lately? |
| [20:11:00] | juski: | I've never used it... infact haven't burnt a single disc since I installed mythtv |
| [20:11:00] | tlichti: | I'm trying to save some disk space by transcoding down, but it's not been going well. |
| [20:12:00] | juski: | ahh the old chestnut of keeping everything... |
| [20:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | tlichti: if you are running svn then you are running into the same issues as the rest of us. It's been looking into |
| [20:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | s/been/being/g |
| [20:12:00] | tlichti: | I am running svn, but the mythtranscode is actually working, it appears to be ffmpeg that is failing, but I can't figure out why. |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | mmm. beens. |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:12:00] | tlichti: | I am just updating svn now, well see if that helps... |
| [20:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | tlit: Ok, maybe a different issue then. |
| [20:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | most are failing long before that :) |
| [20:16:00] | tlichti: | it's not that I want to keep everything, I just haven't watched the 25 episodes of Trailer Park Boys that I have recorded, and I'd like to lower the disk usage a bit... :) |
| [20:16:00] | tlichti: | well, latest svn didn't help... |
| [20:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahh TPB, TV at it's finest |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | good and homegrown for GreyFoxx |
| [20:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | I love watching that just to pick out locations I recognize heh |
| [20:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [20:17:00] | tlichti: | Well, it's a lot better than most of the stuff on TV... :) |
| [20:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | I |
| [20:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | 've met bubbles! |
| [20:17:00] | tlichti: | Are you from out East? |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | Halifax |
| [20:18:00] | tlichti: | Sweet. Nice town. |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | the guy who plays Bubbles is apparently a pretty good guitarist too |
| [20:18:00] | tlichti: | Where are you now? |
| [20:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | Though a lot of their shooting is in Dartmouth/Sackville |
| [20:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | tlichti: I'm in Halifax :) |
| [20:18:00] | tlichti: | Lower or Upper Sackville? :) |
| [20:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | Lower |
| [20:18:00] | ** Cardoe makes another snapshot ebuild ** | |
| [20:18:00] | tlichti: | Ah, cool. It sounded like you had moved. |
| [20:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | The first season or 2 was in woodbine trailer park |
| [20:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use to live there as a kid(for a year) and it's 5 minutes down the road from my house |
| [20:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | Fsck off, Leahey! |
| [20:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | nheh |
| [20:19:00] | tlichti: | My uncle is a huge fan, he has a one of a kind signed Bubbles poster. |
| [20:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | I like watching them go to the mall to steal car steros heh |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:20:00] | tlichti: | Just hope that you don't see your own car.... |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | "so THAT's where my stereo went!" |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | A couple friends of mine are actors/standins in a bunch of movies. We all went to a bar and hung out with those guys one night |
| [20:21:00] | tlichti: | here's my problem, if anyone has any ideas... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/149785 |
| [20:21:00] | tlichti: | must have been an 'interesting' night. |
| [20:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah. I've met a ton of people from the movies they have been in. One of them was Harrison Fords body double in K19 |
| [20:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | TPB is pretty fun to watch |
| [20:24:00] | MrSpiffy: | GreyFoxx, I think that the "gaming adapter" is the way to go |
| [20:24:00] | MrSpiffy: | think I'm going to best buy |
| [20:25:00] | tlichti: | I just came from Staples with a new Gig switch and gig cards.... :) |
| [20:25:00] | Cardoe: | tlichti: how much? |
| [20:26:00] | tlichti: | well, it's CDN dollars, $80 for a five port switch, and $30 per PCI card. |
| [20:26:00] | MrSpiffy: | cool |
| [20:26:00] | Cardoe: | not bad |
| [20:26:00] | MrSpiffy: | gig e for 80 bucks |
| [20:26:00] | MrSpiffy: | man |
| [20:26:00] | Cardoe: | any Gentoo users? |
| [20:27:00] | Cardoe: | Gentoo? |
| [20:27:00] | tlichti: | that's what I thought. |
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| [20:28:00] | hadees: | wait your talking about trailer park boys, is the new season out? |
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| [20:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | hadees: I don't know. I'm not a regular watcher of the show. Just on and off. most of what I catch are just reruns :) |
| [20:29:00] | tlichti: | yeah, me too. |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | I've seen a couple new ones, then reruns |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | like where they get the terrier fucked up on dope, then Ricky gets shot twice in a day |
| [20:30:00] | hadees: | damn, i love that show, sucks it is only on in CA |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: I just love watching julian with that damn rum n coke all the time :) |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | it's an inspiration, I tell ya |
| [20:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | hadees: It's on in the UK too hehe |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | but I guess the US just has to wait |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | And I'm sure it's available in the US |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | good ole Canadian content :) |
| [20:32:00] | tlichti: | Season 5 is over, not sure when (if) season 6 starts. |
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| [20:33:00] | hadees: | its on BBC America but i don't get that |
| [20:34:00] | tlichti: | If I can get nuvexport to work, I'll make you a DVD... |
| [20:34:00] | hadees: | tlichti, nah its okay, i still watch it, you can figure out how i do it on your own |
| [20:35:00] | tlichti: | I wish I could... |
| [20:35:00] | hadees: | same with Spooks |
| [20:36:00] | hadees: | anyone here watch Spooks (aka MI-5) |
| [20:36:00] | hadees: | I don't get why almost all the orginals left the show |
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| [20:40:00] | juski: | I've got the first episode of the new series to watch tonight |
| [20:40:00] | juski: | not looking fwd to seeing martine McCutcheon in it though :-( |
| [20:41:00] | hadees: | juski, they got rid of the scottish girl and didn't explain why |
| [20:41:00] | hadees: | she just isn't there |
| [20:41:00] | juski: | well I hope Martine isn't a regular feature – there's one face I wouldn't mind being dunked in hot vegetable oil lol |
| [20:42:00] | mchou: | haha |
| [20:42:00] | seme: | is it possible to specify multiple video directories? |
| [20:42:00] | mchou: | I dont watch the show, is she fugky? |
| [20:42:00] | mchou: | fugly* |
| [20:42:00] | juski: | I didn't catch any of the last series, just the nasty ending to series one... |
| [20:42:00] | seme: | I have a couple of different locations for videos and I want to include them but I can't put them all in one directory |
| [20:43:00] | juski: | mythvideo can drill down into sub-directories seme |
| [20:43:00] | tlichti: | seme: link them into one common directory, then you will get sub-directories. |
| [20:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | seme: In myth video ? I think you MIGHT be able to use a : seperated list. Or just symlink to them from the one location |
| [20:43:00] | tlichti: | if they are different mount points, that is. |
| [20:43:00] | seme: | aah |
| [20:43:00] | seme: | thanks |
| [20:43:00] | NightBird: | can mythgames do that? I know I have at least one snes game, however it's in it's own directory, and it's not detecting it.. |
| [20:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | NightBird: svn will do subdirectories, the last rlease no |
| [20:44:00] | juski: | mchou – she's not fugly, but she has a voice that could cut glass |
| [20:44:00] | hadees: | juski, she isn't a regular, she is a witness |
| [20:44:00] | ** NightBird isn't sure what one he has.. I just installed it using apt-get for ubuntu... ** | |
| [20:44:00] | juski: | ahh cool! I won't change my recording schedule then ;-) |
| [20:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | Night when you go into the game setup, do you have 2 or 3 or 4 options to picjk from ? |
| [20:45:00] | hadees: | juski, i am pissed Tom left |
| [20:45:00] | hadees: | that was so dumb |
| [20:45:00] | NightBird: | when I go into game setup, I get several pages.. |
| [20:45:00] | NightBird: | 2 for mame, one for nes, one for snes, and then a few others |
| [20:46:00] | juski: | just playing with the dbox implimentation at the moment... it grabs the EPG but it's not receiving a video stream... looks like it was updated to take care of that but the update is now in svn, which won't (of course) patch cleanly with 0.18.1 |
| [20:46:00] | mchou: | check this thread out: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=580871 |
| [20:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | then you are using the release |
| [20:46:00] | hadees: | and they got rid of that hot CIA agent |
| [20:46:00] | seme: | welll so far... I can play dvd's but I don't get the menus.... is this the default behavior? |
| [20:46:00] | juski: | seme... you need to use Xine :) |
| [20:46:00] | ** NightBird ponders trying to install myth properly... ** | |
| [20:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | seme: It would depend on the player you have configured. The internal one(in latest source) doesn;'t handle the menus |
| [20:47:00] | seme: | juski instead of mplayer? |
| [20:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | neither does mplayer |
| [20:47:00] | juski: | yes, seme |
| [20:47:00] | seme: | aah I see |
| [20:47:00] | NightBird: | I tried using the apt-get method, however mythsql and mythfrontend never officially got setup.. |
| [20:47:00] | NamShub is now known as NamShubX | |
| [20:47:00] | NightBird: | not that I can't use them... |
| [20:47:00] | juski: | I use Xine and find to to work juuuust fine |
| [20:47:00] | NamShubX is now known as NamShub | |
| [20:47:00] | NightBird: | it's just that they won't uninstall, or finish installing.. |
| [20:47:00] | seme: | juski is a poet ;) |
| [20:47:00] | juski: | hmmm ... "find to to"... lol |
| [20:48:00] | ** juski managed to patch 0.18.1 with the dbox patch... and it compiled! now to get it working... hmm ** | |
| [20:49:00] | seme: | xine is installing now... gentoo rocks ;) |
| [20:49:00] | seme: | now if I can only get my pcHDTV cards working ;) |
| [20:49:00] | tlichti: | vlc works well with menus also. |
| [20:49:00] | tlichti: | DVD menus, that is. |
| [20:49:00] | seme: | I see |
| [20:49:00] | juski: | does it? I never knew that... figures though.. vlc is very good |
| [20:49:00] | seme: | mythtv kicks ass... |
| [20:50:00] | seme: | its far from a seamless install but when it works its very nice... |
| [20:50:00] | juski: | as opposed to MCE... which installs very easily... |
| [20:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: Lots of pissed MCE users heh |
| [20:51:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: I told them :) |
| [20:51:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: b4hand too |
| [20:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | sad |
| [20:52:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: clueless MCE lapdogs expecting MSFT to be CableCARD savior |
| [20:53:00] | tlichti: | wait until they get DRM built into the monitor... |
| [20:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | tlichti: That is what bothers me |
| [20:53:00] | tlichti: | never thought I'd see that day. |
| [20:53:00] | Chutt: | cablecard savior? |
| [20:53:00] | mchou: | yeah, that's fucked |
| [20:53:00] | seme: | I know this isn't the channel but is there any way to tell irc to filter the join/leave messages? |
| [20:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | seme: That would be up to your client software |
| [20:53:00] | mchou: | Chutt: CableCARD on PC :) |
| [20:54:00] | seme: | thats what I figured... I'm using BitchX |
| [20:54:00] | Chutt: | um |
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| [20:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | seme: As you you don't want to see them at all ? |
| [20:54:00] | Chutt: | they _are_ going to have support for cablecard |
| [20:54:00] | Chutt: | why would you think otherwise? |
| [20:54:00] | mchou: | Chutt: who are "they" |
| [20:54:00] | Chutt: | microsoft? |
| [20:54:00] | mchou: | Chutt: right. "soon" too :) |
| [20:55:00] | Chutt: | next year's mce release. |
| [20:55:00] | juski: | maybe it'll even work too... that might be cool for them lol |
| [20:55:00] | mchou: | haha |
| [20:57:00] | mchou: | what's Microsoft's excuse for not supporting clear QAM? |
| [20:57:00] | Chutt: | excuse? |
| [20:58:00] | twisted_one: | They're MS, they don't need an excuse, they just do as they please. |
| [20:58:00] | FITH: | "We suck, it compiled, we shipped it" |
| [20:58:00] | mchou: | that was originally on the drawing board for emerald refresh |
| [20:58:00] | twisted_one: | FITH, I wouldn't be so sure about that second statement =P |
| [20:58:00] | Chutt: | stuff slips |
| [20:58:00] | FITH: | heh |
| [20:59:00] | twisted_one: | Damn, time for work already... =\ |
| [21:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone ever come accross a DVI input capture card ? |
| [21:00:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: you got a 10 ghz CPU? :) |
| [21:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | It wouldn't require that. :) But I could still think of some uses :) |
| [21:01:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: nah, ppl who done the math says 10Ghz is ballpart for that ") |
| [21:02:00] | mchou: | ballpark* |
| [21:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'd like to see that math |
| [21:02:00] | zuralin: | haha |
| [21:03:00] | zuralin: | how fast of a processor would an HDMI capture card cost then? |
| [21:03:00] | Chutt: | hdmi is dvi. |
| [21:04:00] | zuralin: | hdmi = dvi + audio |
| [21:04:00] | zuralin: | both uncompressed |
| [21:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.unigraf.fi/index.php?page=13 |
| [21:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | rgb+dvi frame grabber |
| [21:05:00] | Chutt: | audio's not terribly hard to compress |
| [21:05:00] | fryfrog: | can anyone tell me what "max dot clock" is and maybe where i might find it? |
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| [21:08:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: google? :) |
| [21:09:00] | seme: | how do I get mythtv to record my dvd's when I insert them? I see the option to import the dvd but it doesn't do anything |
| [21:11:00] | KillerBun: | Hmm doesnt xine support the .srt subtitle format= |
| [21:11:00] | KillerBun: | ? |
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| [21:11:00] | KillerBun: | And if so how do i enable it ? |
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| [21:17:00] | juski: | seme – you need mtd running somewhere ;-) |
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| [21:23:00] | otwin: | hi – anybody using minimyth? |
| [21:24:00] | juski: | otwin: I am |
| [21:24:00] | otwin: | do you a monitor connected or tv? |
| [21:25:00] | otwin: | have... |
| [21:25:00] | juski: | TV |
| [21:25:00] | travolta: | what is minimyth? a distro ? |
| [21:25:00] | otwin: | hmm – i´m using a monitor but X crashes on startup |
| [21:25:00] | otwin: | i´m not sure with my minimyth.conf setup |
| [21:26:00] | juski: | travolta – minimyth is a ready-made distro of mythtv & linux designed to boot from a network |
| [21:26:00] | otwin: | minimyth: network bootable mythtv distribution for via epia motherboards |
| [21:26:00] | seme: | wht options are you using with xine... it works and displays the menus but I'm not able to use any key combinations to navigate the menu |
| [21:27:00] | otwin: | juski: did you ever use a monitor with minimyth? |
| [21:27:00] | seme: | juski what is mtd? |
| [21:27:00] | juski: | no, otwin I didn't, but I had to mess about with xorg.conf |
| [21:27:00] | travolta: | deamon to transcode i think |
| [21:27:00] | juski: | seme – mtd = myth transcode daemon |
| [21:27:00] | seme: | aah |
| [21:27:00] | seme: | I see |
| [21:28:00] | juski: | hey look : http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-19.html#ss19.3 |
| [21:28:00] | juski: | it's all covered in the documentation.. funny, that |
| [21:28:00] | juski: | how does x crash, otwin? |
| [21:29:00] | juski: | I mean – does it actually crash or is it just that the display doesn't work on your monitor? |
| [21:29:00] | otwin: | juski: fatal server error – no screens found |
| [21:29:00] | otwin: | but i don´t have a xorg.conf in my conf directory |
| [21:29:00] | juski: | otwin: is your BIOS set to use the TV or VGA out, or both? |
| [21:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | oooh, new slackware today. |
| [21:31:00] | seme: | argg... my mtd daemon was built without transcode support |
| [21:31:00] | seme: | time to rebuild ;) |
| [21:33:00] | otwin: | it was crt+lcd – now set to lcd, that was a mistake – now screen at all, no bios. now looking bios reset jumper :-) |
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| [21:42:00] | otwin: | juski: bios now set to use crt – x still crashes of course. so you specify an xorg.conf in the minimyth.conf directory? |
| [21:43:00] | juski: | yes you do, otwin |
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| [21:43:00] | tlichti: | well, I couldn't get nuvexport to work, so I just ran ffmpeg directly against a nuv file. It created an AVI, I'll have to wait until I get home to see how it worked. If it did, that will save me a lot of disk space, it went from 1.1GB to 237MB. |
| [21:44:00] | juski: | otwin: google for minimyth xorg.conf, or check out the forum at www.linpvr.org/forum |
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| [21:46:00] | otwin: | thought xorg.conf was optional – thanks for now. i´ll try that. |
| [21:46:00] | juski: | wooohoooo!!! I got my dbox streaming to my test myth machine |
| [21:46:00] | mchou: | what's a dbox? |
| [21:46:00] | ** juski dances round the room ** | |
| [21:46:00] | mchou: | like a direct tv stb? |
| [21:47:00] | juski: | mchou – yep – basically |
| [21:47:00] | juski: | only it's got a network port on it |
| [21:47:00] | tlichti: | you are as excited as I was when I got my projector working last night, finally. |
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| [21:48:00] | juski: | wasn't anything wrong with the patch, or mythtv (as ever).. was the dbox settings.. bloody 'undocumented features' |
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| [21:49:00] | juski: | now all I need is another dvb-t tuner so I can test the patched system properly... then I'll see if minimyth will work with the new DB schema |
| [21:55:00] | juski: | so, tlichti – how big is your sceen now? ;-) |
| [21:58:00] | Ryushin1: | Anyone here today that has atsc over QAM working? |
| [21:59:00] | jonK: | where are you getting an unencrypted QAM signal of HD? |
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| [22:00:00] | tlichti: | jruski: really big... :) like, way too big. the couch is only 6 feet from the screen currently, and I think I had it up to about 6 or 8 feet diagonal, so yeah, it was big. kind of like sitting in the front row at the movies... |
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| [22:00:00] | juski: | wow! I need something like that, but not before we get HDTV over here in the UK |
| [22:01:00] | juski: | (I mean FTA HDTV) |
| [22:01:00] | tlichti: | plus I have to move my speakers out from behind the screen now, it's too muffled. plus my remote sensor to the stereo is hidden so that doesn't work either. My keyboard and myth remote are both on cables so that's not a problem. |
| [22:01:00] | juski: | must be the one thing missing from my livingroom... I got the cinematic surround... but a paltry 32" widescreen |
| [22:01:00] | Ryushin1: | Over cable. |
| [22:01:00] | tlichti: | I'm just watching SD stuff for the most part, aside from movies, and it's still worth it. |
| [22:02:00] | tlichti: | My TV is 27"... |
| [22:02:00] | Ryushin1: | Or at least, I'm trying to get the unencypted stream over comcast cable. |
| [22:02:00] | tlichti: | I picked up an old projector for $250 CDN on ebay. however, I just found out the bulbs are about $325US...might have been cheaper to get a new projector, in the long run... |
| [22:03:00] | mchou: | ha! |
| [22:03:00] | mchou: | Bulbs ae expensive |
| [22:03:00] | tlichti: | ah well, this way I can get my wife hooked on the big screen, then try and get a new LCD projector.... |
| [22:03:00] | juski: | I've been thinking about those projector bulbs... it's not so much the fact that the bulbs are expensive, it's all the proprietary housing they put around them |
| [22:04:00] | mchou: | yeah, that too |
| [22:04:00] | tlichti: | I think some of the newer ones use overhead projector bulbs, which are about $12. |
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| [22:09:00] | juski: | you seen that THG video where some guy makes his own video projector out of an OHP & LCD panel? |
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| [22:11:00] | tlichti: | yes, I researched that, and may go that route if things don't work out with this projector. My only concern was the size of the unit. Well, at least, that would be my WIFE's concern with it. |
| [22:11:00] | Majn00n: | Hi Everyone, I am considering setting up my own MythTV box and was wondering if anyone here has used hardware from magicitx www.magicitx.com |
| [22:11:00] | juski: | haha.. and how the hell would you hang THAT on the ceiling? lol |
| [22:11:00] | tlichti: | I actually won another projector identical to the one I have, but with no bulb or cables, so I have some spare parts. |
| [22:11:00] | tlichti: | exactly... |
| [22:12:00] | sandos: | tlichti: cant really compare overhead projector bulbs and "real" projector bulbs... |
| [22:12:00] | sandos: | they differ very much in lifespan |
| [22:12:00] | sandos: | overhead = cheap but doesnt last long... at all1 |
| [22:12:00] | Chutt: | and they don't put out the right frequency of light, either |
| [22:12:00] | Chutt: | color's waaaay off |
| [22:13:00] | juski: | Majn00n – looks like their prices are keen... I paid almost $200 for my EPIA-M10000 board in the UK |
| [22:13:00] | Majn00n: | yeah it did seem too over piced |
| [22:13:00] | tlichti: | well, my projector bulb is rated at 700 hours, not sure how that relates to an ohp. |
| [22:13:00] | juski: | no Majn00n – their prices look quite good |
| [22:13:00] | Majn00n: | juski what about the capture card |
| [22:13:00] | Chutt: | should've bought a new projector :p |
| [22:14:00] | Chutt: | newer ones are rated to 3k hours |
| [22:14:00] | juski: | don't but anything not made by hauppauge unless you're gonna be doing HDTV or DVB |
| [22:14:00] | tlichti: | I know, I know, but I didn't realize it at the time... |
| [22:14:00] | sandos: | tlichti: wow thats really for a pj bulb! |
| [22:14:00] | sandos: | isnt 2–3k more normal? |
| [22:14:00] | sandos: | *really bad |
| [22:14:00] | Chutt: | not for older models |
| [22:14:00] | sandos: | ok |
| [22:14:00] | tlichti: | well, it's an older Infocus Xp220 |
| [22:14:00] | Majn00n: | juski what about the kit? $599 |
| [22:15:00] | tlichti: | and the manual says 700 hours. |
| [22:15:00] | juski: | Majn00n – shop around ;-) |
| [22:15:00] | Majn00n: | juski any links on where? |
| [22:15:00] | juski: | I only know of UK places... |
| [22:16:00] | juski: | and we pay in pounds what you guys have to pay in $$ |
| [22:16:00] | Majn00n: | ahh yes |
| [22:16:00] | Majn00n: | good old pound :) |
| [22:18:00] | Majn00n: | thanks juski, I will shop around :) |
| [22:18:00] | juski: | it's even worse when places in the USA won't ship to the UK :-( |
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| [22:20:00] | tlichti: | Sounds like the automotive aftermarket as well. I am helping someone in the UK get some stuff, because to buy direct from a US company will cost him $100US more than if I do it for him. |
| [22:21:00] | juski: | it's not called 'rip off britain' for no reason ;) |
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| [22:23:00] | tlichti: | heh. I could make some smart comment about the colonies, but I won't.... :) |
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| [22:23:00] | ridd1er: | hey all |
| [22:23:00] | tlichti: | well, other than that one... :) |
| [22:23:00] | ridd1er: | i just ran into a weird issue.. |
| [22:24:00] | ridd1er: | was wondering if i could pick your brains |
| [22:24:00] | tlichti: | not much to pick here... |
| [22:24:00] | ridd1er: | :-) |
| [22:24:00] | juski: | I'm gonna pickle my brains this weekend |
| [22:24:00] | maquaro: | Could someone answer a question I have about buying a Hauppauge PVR-350 vs. HD-3000 capture card? |
| [22:24:00] | tlichti: | _my_ brain, that is... |
| [22:24:00] | juski: | hmmm... to hd or not to hd... that is the question |
| [22:25:00] | tlichti: | ridd1er: fire away |
| [22:25:00] | maquaro: | Are the Hauppauge PVR series capture cards able to handle digital signal input or are they just analog? |
| [22:25:00] | ridd1er: | well my problem:... i have had a nice running mythtv box for about 4 months now.. and all of the sudden.. the video when fast forwarding/reversing is pixelated. and its not flagging commercials cause of it. |
| [22:25:00] | ridd1er: | not sure what happened or why. |
| [22:26:00] | tlichti: | what's changed recently? |
| [22:26:00] | ridd1er: | nothing actually. |
| [22:26:00] | ridd1er: | havent had any reason to change anything |
| [22:26:00] | tlichti: | I'd suspect database issues, from what I've seen on the list. |
| [22:27:00] | juski: | is the total time of the recording changing when you FF/REW ? |
| [22:27:00] | ridd1er: | one sec... |
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| [22:27:00] | ridd1er: | yeah it is. |
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| [22:27:00] | ridd1er: | just by a second or a couple. |
| [22:28:00] | juski: | recordedmarkup table is possibly corrupt |
| [22:28:00] | ridd1er: | and seems to only pixelate on ffwd. |
| [22:28:00] | ridd1er: | but its happening on all new recordings. |
| [22:28:00] | ridd1er: | juski... any idea how to fix that? |
| [22:29:00] | ridd1er: | are we talking about mysql repair or something/ |
| [22:29:00] | juski: | that, yes |
| [22:29:00] | juski: | or run mythcommflag |
| [22:29:00] | juski: | or both |
| [22:29:00] | Cardoe: | maquaro: analog |
| [22:29:00] | ridd1er: | mythcommflag repairs db's?/ |
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| [22:30:00] | Cardoe: | juski: mythcommflag doesn't repair DBs |
| [22:30:00] | juski: | I know mythcommflag doesn't repair the DB |
| [22:30:00] | xris: | ridd1er: http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/optimize_mythdb.pl.txt |
| [22:30:00] | maquaro: | Cardoe: should I just not even consider hauppauge since broadcast is moving to digital only in < 10 years and just go HD-3000? |
| [22:31:00] | ridd1er: | thanks will check that out xris |
| [22:31:00] | xris: | maquaro: do you have cable? |
| [22:31:00] | Cardoe: | maquaro: do you have digital? |
| [22:31:00] | xris: | or rather.. do you even receive OTA broadcast? |
| [22:31:00] | maquaro: | I live in San Antonio and we have 30% OTA broadcasts in digital.. |
| [22:32:00] | xris: | maquaro: not the question. do you WATCH any of them? |
| [22:32:00] | maquaro: | yes |
| [22:32:00] | xris: | ok. |
| [22:32:00] | xris: | then you should probably get air2pc or pchdtv |
| [22:32:00] | xris: | man, wonder what happened to all of those air2pc preorder cards people had. |
| [22:33:00] | Cardoe: | xris: do you know about the pvr-150 Low profile having a swappable full high bracket? |
| [22:33:00] | ridd1er: | thanks xris that fixed the problem.. |
| [22:33:00] | ridd1er: | nice util.. that should be apart of the standard build. |
| [22:33:00] | xris: | I should drop it into contrib.. heh |
| [22:33:00] | ridd1er: | definetel! |
| [22:33:00] | xris: | oh, it *is* in contrib |
| [22:33:00] | xris: | heh |
| [22:34:00] | xris: | guess I put it in awhile back |
| [22:34:00] | ridd1er: | err definetely |
| [22:34:00] | ridd1er: | ROFL.. well glad you did :-) |
| [22:34:00] | DonLKSAB: | Hi all |
| [22:34:00] | ridd1er: | alright folks thanks for the help. especially you xris |
| [22:34:00] | ridd1er: | bye |
| [22:34:00] | DonLKSAB: | Anyone with a nvidia card in there linux machine? |
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| [22:34:00] | Cardoe: | DonLKSAB: yes |
| [22:34:00] | xris: | which linux machine? |
| [22:35:00] | DonLKSAB: | Could you do a ddcprobe? |
| [22:35:00] | DonLKSAB: | Min says VESA 3.0 detected. |
| [22:35:00] | DonLKSAB: | Is that what you get to? |
| [22:36:00] | tlichti: | Mine says VESA 3.0 |
| [22:36:00] | DonLKSAB: | Damn :-) |
| [22:36:00] | xris: | I have several over there. |
| [22:36:00] | DonLKSAB: | Trying to find out why my vids are lagging |
| [22:36:00] | DonLKSAB: | TV fluid and exelent |
| [22:37:00] | DonLKSAB: | mplayer jumpy |
| [22:37:00] | DonLKSAB: | Any ideas? |
| [22:37:00] | Cardoe: | no DMA |
| [22:37:00] | DonLKSAB: | Im running the vids over network with samba |
| [22:38:00] | DonLKSAB: | And worked fine before the upgrade |
| [22:38:00] | DonLKSAB: | Coukd it be DMA even if im running over network? |
| [22:38:00] | DonLKSAB: | Could* |
| [22:39:00] | tlichti: | what was upgraded? |
| [22:40:00] | DonLKSAB: | Everything to latest knoppmyth |
| [22:40:00] | DonLKSAB: | Did a full reinstall |
| [22:41:00] | DonLKSAB: | So i guess everything is new |
| [22:41:00] | DonLKSAB: | Checking DMA now |
| [22:42:00] | DonLKSAB: | Or atleast trying to figure out how to check it :-) |
| [22:42:00] | juski: | just bought a DVB-T tuner for £20.. marvellous |
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| [22:43:00] | tlichti: | DonLKSAB: hdparm -v /dev/hd? |
| [22:43:00] | DonLKSAB: | cool thanks |
| [22:44:00] | DonLKSAB: | using_dma = 1 (on |
| [22:44:00] | DonLKSAB: | I cant play vids over network or from this disk |
| [22:44:00] | tlichti: | what is serving the files? has anything changed there? Is XvMC working? |
| [22:45:00] | DonLKSAB: | My Windows PC is serving |
| [22:45:00] | tlichti: | oh, you said TV is fine, mplayer is not... |
| [22:45:00] | DonLKSAB: | Nothing changed |
| [22:45:00] | DonLKSAB: | Yeah |
| [22:45:00] | DonLKSAB: | Mabey i should reinstall mplayer |
| [22:45:00] | tlichti: | weird. |
| [22:46:00] | DonLKSAB: | Tv vith Bob works fine så XvMC seems to be ok |
| [22:47:00] | beavis: | hmm, I thought it's now possible to change the extension from nuv to mpg |
| [22:47:00] | Cardoe: | beavis: with a pvr-*50 |
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| [22:48:00] | beavis: | with all mpeg2 cards (like pvr*, dvb-X) |
| [22:48:00] | Cardoe: | yes |
| [22:48:00] | beavis: | it's still using nuv for all my recordings |
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| [22:50:00] | jonK: | !ss |
| [22:50:00] | jonK: | damn, i do that all the time... |
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| [22:55:00] | tlichti: | about time to bugger off home... :) |
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| [23:01:00] | ridd1er: | hey xris you still arround? |
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| [23:02:00] | xris: | yeah |
| [23:02:00] | ridd1er: | well i thought that perl app fixed the problem.. but doesnt seem to have. |
| [23:02:00] | xris: | what was the original issue? |
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| [23:03:00] | ridd1er: | pixelation when i fast forward a recording.. |
| [23:03:00] | ridd1er: | and its not flagging commercials cause of it |
| [23:03:00] | xris: | oh, that's just weird |
| [23:03:00] | xris: | shouldn't be related at all. |
| [23:03:00] | xris: | what happens when you run mythcommflag? |
| [23:03:00] | xris: | manually, that is? |
| [23:03:00] | ridd1er: | well its running now. |
| [23:04:00] | ridd1er: | seems to be flagging commercials |
| [23:04:00] | xris: | you sure you have auto-flag enabled for those recording profiles? |
| [23:04:00] | ridd1er: | i used to.. |
| [23:04:00] | ridd1er: | they may not be related. |
| [23:04:00] | ridd1er: | although the pixelation is the bigger issue. |
| [23:05:00] | xris: | so the pixelation stays after you're done forwarding? |
| [23:06:00] | ridd1er: | for a few seconds yeah |
| [23:06:00] | ridd1er: | and this just started like a day ago |
| [23:07:00] | xris: | could just be the recording. |
| [23:07:00] | xris: | did you touch anything on the system in the last day or so? |
| [23:07:00] | ridd1er: | true.. i thought the same thing but seems to be happening to all recordings. |
| [23:08:00] | ridd1er: | no i havent really touched the system other than standard use in about 4 months |
| [23:08:00] | ridd1er: | hence the weirdness |
| [23:08:00] | xris: | yeah. no clue |
| [23:08:00] | ridd1er: | thought maybe it was ivtv drivers or some corrupt nature on the file system. |
| [23:09:00] | ridd1er: | so i did an fsck on the filesystem.. used your app on the db's.. etc] |
| [23:09:00] | ridd1er: | still no go. |
| [23:09:00] | xris: | yeah, that wouldn't affect the pixelation, that's just a display glitch |
| [23:10:00] | ridd1er: | hmm okay |
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| [23:15:00] | ridd1er: | hmm weird some of my recordings stopped recording way prematurely. |
| [23:15:00] | ridd1er: | oh even weirder. |
| [23:16:00] | ridd1er: | one recording is showing only 6 min long but its really an hour |
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| [23:35:00] | pr0bity: | I've seen a lot of posts about the URC-9960 OFA Kameleon remote and its apparent success with mythtv and a pvr 250 receiver. Looking to do almost the same thing with the new URC-9964 OFA Kameleon remote with rf extender and some generic ir receiver (haven't picked on yet, maybe irman) just wanted to see if anyone tried this and failed or any suggestions? |
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| [23:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | hello |
| [23:41:00] | MrSpiffy: | I've been trying to get my display right for a month. I am running 800x600 into a TV using via unichrome |
| [23:41:00] | MrSpiffy: | problem is, when set to 0 display in mytht (auto fullscreen) it's way off |
| [23:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | I've been chasing this around in a circle for a while. Is there some trick to using mythtv on a tv? |
| [23:42:00] | Chutt: | uh, use the proper resolution for your tv, perhaps? |
| [23:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | perhaps |
| [23:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | but |
| [23:42:00] | Chutt: | but what? |
| [23:42:00] | Chutt: | you don't feel like it? |
| [23:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | on a 4:3 ntsc set that's supposed to be 720x480 |
| [23:43:00] | MrSpiffy: | which I have tried and the flicker is absolutely intolerable |
| [23:43:00] | Chutt: | which isn't 800x600 by quite a long shot |
| [23:43:00] | MrSpiffy: | it friggin gives me a headache |
| [23:43:00] | Chutt: | so go bitch to the unichrome people |
| [23:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | MrSpiffy: what do you mean by it's "way off" ? A friend of mine runs his myth box off an epia with the unichrome drivers at 800x600 and itseems to be fine |
| [23:45:00] | Chutt: | running a tv at anything other than its real resolution is dumb. |
| [23:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | GreyFoxx, yeah, the top of the gui is chopped off |
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| [23:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | GreyFoxx, and lining up the tv playback is really difficult |
| [23:47:00] | Chutt: | because you're not running at x480 |
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| [23:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've run mine at several resolutions over time 640x480, 720x480, 800x600 and for 5 minutes at 1024x768 when I setup my first one. I find 640x480 and 800x600 too look best |
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| [23:50:00] | pr0bity: | should there be a different between ir receivers and lirc? IE i've seen the 9960 work with the pvr 250 receiver, I'm looking to use the 9964 with an IRman receiver and I didn't know if they'd be siginificantly different in lirc? |
| [23:50:00] | pr0bity: | difference... |
| [23:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | ok |
| [23:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | just tried 720x480 |
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| [23:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | it's much much worse |
| [23:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | playback is way off to the left |
| [23:53:00] | MrSpiffy: | right |
| [23:53:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, the only real concern with the IR Recievers is the interface (Serial, USB, I2C) |
| [23:53:00] | MrSpiffy: | picture jumps all over the place |
| [23:53:00] | MrSpiffy: | gui overscan is still way off |
| [23:53:00] | MrSpiffy: | thanls for the help chutt |
| [23:53:00] | pr0bity: | thx ledhed |
| [23:54:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, what is a 9960 and 9964? |
| [23:54:00] | LedHed: | is that a remote? |
| [23:55:00] | pr0bity: | yeah sorry, the URC-9960 kameleon I've seen working, I want to get the URC-9964 kameleon to work it has a rf extender with the ir transmitter base. |
| [23:55:00] | pr0bity: | one for all remotes |
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| [23:57:00] | LedHed: | pr0bity, remotes work at different frequencies, the remote and the reciever have to be within the same range |
| [23:58:00] | pr0bity: | alright, so I have to make sure the ir receiver works with the remote and the ir receiver works with lirc? |
| [23:58:00] | LedHed: | yup |
| [23:58:00] | pr0bity: | lovely :P thanks ;) |
| [23:58:00] | LedHed: | what reciever? IRMan USB? |
| [23:59:00] | pr0bity: | thats my first guess without looking around |
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