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Wednesday, September 14th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
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[00:01:00] fryfrog: anyone have any good tv show suggestions?
[00:02:00] Krazylegz: Gilmore Girls!
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[00:02:00] Criggie: fryfrog: The Muppet Show
[00:02:00] macroexp: maury povich?
[00:02:00] fryfrog: gf already made me schedule gilmore girls :/
[00:02:00] Krazylegz: Nice.
[00:02:00] Krazylegz: Don't miss the ones on ABC Family. We need to see the repeats too.
[00:02:00] Krazylegz: Oooo, new episode tonight.
[00:03:00] fryfrog: anyone ever hooked a comcast dual tuner DVR with firewire up to their myth?
[00:03:00] fryfrog: i went out looking for firewire cables today, but i'll be damned if the two places i went were sold out :/
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[00:07:00] mchou: fryfrog: get a cheap firewire card. They come with cables :)
[00:07:00] PatrickDK: hmm, I have a pile of wires
[00:07:00] PatrickDK: 6 to 6, and 4 to 6
[00:07:00] PatrickDK: no 4 to 4 though
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[00:08:00] nuonguy: 6 to 6? What does that mean?
[00:08:00] mchou: wow, that's nasty :)
[00:08:00] Criggie: nuonguy: firewire has three cabling schemes – 4, 6 and 9 pins.
[00:08:00] PatrickDK: heh
[00:09:00] Criggie: nuonguy: a 4–6 would be a four pin firewire plug and a six pin firewire plug
[00:09:00] PatrickDK: oh heh, forgot about 9 pin
[00:09:00] PatrickDK: only use them on drive arrays
[00:10:00] macroexp: ok i must be missing something... i have 2 different ubuntu myth packages, one 0.17 and one 0.18.1, and neither one has mythjobqueue
[00:11:00] macroexp: i guess everyone on ubuntu just compiles from source?
[00:11:00] nuonguy: Criggie: Obviously they're not interchangeable...
[00:11:00] Criggie: nuonguy: correct – the more pins the faster it can go though.
[00:11:00] nuonguy: Is it easy to tell which is which just by looking at the cable ends?
[00:13:00] fryfrog: mchou: actually, that sounds like a really good idea. all the cables i was seeing were like $20
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[00:13:00] fryfrog: i guess i should double check what plugs i have on the comcast dvr pos thing
[00:13:00] sphing: mchou: if you managed to connect it.. what would that do?
[00:13:00] fryfrog: man, that thing has the WORST recording logic ever
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[00:14:00] fryfrog: we have HD chans and normal... and it will use BOTH of its tuners to record the same show... one in HD and one in crapD
[00:14:00] fryfrog: it'll also record BSG, then record it again 3 hours later when it replays
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[00:15:00] fryfrog: nuonguy: the 4 pin is small, like camera usb sized
[00:15:00] fryfrog: 6 pin is about usb size
[00:15:00] fryfrog: and i imagine 9 pin is bigger? but i'm not sure about that
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[00:16:00] Criggie: th e9 pin plug is a heffer. I didn't recognise it till I noticed the firewire logo on it.
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[00:18:00] Ediehow: hi
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[00:19:00] Ediehow: hi
[00:19:00] Ediehow: how can i have mythtv disable screensaver or whatever?
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[00:20:00] riddlebox: j #system-7
[00:20:00] riddlebox: oops
[00:20:00] immolo: Is there anywhere where you can buy the ir cable and remote for a wintv pvr?
[00:20:00] sphing: ebay
[00:20:00] Ediehow: immolo: i'm using the one from my old pctv pro;)
[00:20:00] immolo: checked allready :P
[00:21:00] Ediehow: immolo: you can get something off of pricewatch, i bet
[00:21:00] immolo: Ediehow- with uk shipping?
[00:21:00] JaZy84: quick question guys.. okay after all the bs i went through i find out the tv portion of my tv tuner card doesn't work however the line in and s video do work. is there anyway i can go from coax to RCA (R W Y) so i can plug it in to my tuner card
[00:21:00] Ediehow: not sure
[00:21:00] Ediehow: maybe
[00:21:00] kormoc: vcr/external tuner
[00:22:00] immolo: Ediehow- thanks I check it out
[00:22:00] JaZy84: i tried vcr but the ones i have are too old to get channels other then up to 13
[00:22:00] JaZy84: heh
[00:23:00] macroexp: they don't have an antenna/cable switch?
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[00:23:00] JaZy84: nope.. i'm talking old school
[00:23:00] JaZy84: heh
[00:24:00] JaZy84: and my dvd players.. don't have coax in :(
[00:24:00] JaZy84: i think cheapest bet right now would just to buy another tv tuner card..
[00:24:00] macroexp: pvr150's are pretty cheep
[00:24:00] sphing: JaZy84: radio shaq has on
[00:24:00] sphing: e
[00:24:00] EruditeHermit: hey, when I run mythtv and have PCM volume set to anything high, I get a feedback effect because it sets the PCM capture to the same value as the PCM. If I don't have it set high, I can't hear the sound because it is at too low a volume. Can anyone help?
[00:25:00] nuonguy: JaZy84: you've proved that the tv tuner doesn't work?
[00:25:00] sphing: EruditeHermit: try raising the PCM and lowering the master
[00:25:00] JaZy84: sphing radio shack has what?
[00:26:00] sphing: i had that problem with my mini-itx board
[00:26:00] sphing: JaZy84: coax -> BOX -> RCA
[00:26:00] JaZy84: nuonguy yeah.. cuz i moved the comptuer.. (which was a pain) and then still no signal so i was wondering.. i tried the other 2 worked fine.. and like i said one vcr was able to get me 13 channels.
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[00:27:00] JaZy84: sphing you know what something like that is called? dont' want to sound to much like a tard when i go in
[00:27:00] sphing: lol... not sure... check the site first?
[00:27:00] EruditeHermit: sphing: the problem is the PCM capture is being set by the PCM control
[00:27:00] EruditeHermit: sphing: lowering the Master doesn't do anything
[00:27:00] sphing: you're getting feedback on capture or output?
[00:28:00] EruditeHermit: what do you mean?
[00:28:00] sphing: is the feed back happen when you play it?
[00:28:00] sphing: or when you're recording
[00:28:00] nuonguy: JaZy84: I never saw any confirmation from you that dmesg reported that the right tuner et al were detected?
[00:28:00] EruditeHermit: play it
[00:28:00] EruditeHermit: sphing: I need to set PCM to 100% and PCM capture to 0%
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[00:29:00] JaZy84: yeah from the dmesg i saw the bt848 video and bt878 audio
[00:29:00] JaZy84: which is what i have.
[00:29:00] EruditeHermit: sphing: when I play it I get the feedback
[00:29:00] sphing: EruditeHermit: i have to go... but ill be back in like 2 hours
[00:29:00] EruditeHermit: ok
[00:29:00] sphing: sorry man.... but ill help you when i get back
[00:29:00] EruditeHermit: thanks
[00:30:00] sphing: yup
[00:30:00] nuonguy: JaZy84: and tvtime-scanner found nothing?
[00:30:00] JaZy84: nope..
[00:30:00] JaZy84: just no signal
[00:30:00] JaZy84: over and over.
[00:30:00] JaZy84: thus i'm pertty sure that the card is bad
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[00:31:00] nuonguy: Which card is it?
[00:31:00] JaZy84: composite1 and svideo give me something (when connected to something)
[00:31:00] JaZy84: it's juat a generic bt848 card
[00:31:00] JaZy84: bouth it from tigerdirect
[00:31:00] JaZy84: bought*
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[00:31:00] JaZy84: think it was called a cybermail or something
[00:32:00] nuonguy: Do you get anything when you invoke 'cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/foo' ?
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[00:33:00] JaZy84: lemme give it a try
[00:34:00] Criggie: bloody hauppauge – do the MCE versions of their cards only work with windows MCE ?
[00:35:00] macroexp: criggie no it basically just doesn't come with any media player cd (for windows)
[00:35:00] Criggie: hmmmm
[00:35:00] macroexp: there are some other differences, like the 150mce has an fm tuner where the 150 non-mce doesn't, etc
[00:35:00] macroexp: but basically the same chips
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[00:38:00] sandos: doesnt the non-mce also have a remote whereas the mce one doesnt?
[00:38:00] sandos: if its retail package atleast
[00:38:00] macroexp: mmm yeah i think you're right
[00:40:00] JaZy84: nuonguy that command will make foo but foo doesn't have anything
[00:41:00] nuonguy: type 'file /tmp/foo'
[00:43:00] twisted_one: hey guys anyone around having some experience with myth client/server passing through a firewall?
[00:44:00] twisted_one: I have a client which I want to be outside of my firewall and I need to know port configs =)
[00:44:00] twisted_one: I'll check the docs, but I'd like to know of a success story before I pour hours into it= )
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[00:45:00] Esotericisms: mythtv over 802.11b isn't very good
[00:45:00] twisted_one: its 100mbit link
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[00:45:00] twisted_one: I use it in my house
[00:46:00] Esotericisms: I am sure that is what it needs to stream well
[00:46:00] twisted_one: this is going to be in my neighbors (we have a cat5 cable that we share stuffs over
[00:46:00] twisted_one: )
[00:46:00] twisted_one: I use 100mbit all over my house, its 100% fine, no where near saturating the link
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[00:47:00] JaZy84: nuonguy /tmp/foo: ISO-8859 text, with very long lines, with no line terminators
[00:48:00] nuonguy: I don't know, just for grins, what happens if you type 'mplayer /tmp/foo' ?
[00:51:00] twisted_one: mplayer tries to open /tmp/foo
[00:51:00] twisted_one: err lol
[00:51:00] twisted_one: sorry read your one line only
[00:51:00] JaZy84: heh
[00:51:00] JaZy84: yeah that's pertty much it.
[00:52:00] JaZy84: trys to play it.. and i'm forced to ctrl c out
[00:52:00] nuonguy: JaZy84: Before I got mne working, I had to convince myself that my card actually did work, so I plugged it into a windows box and installed that crappy $h1t they ship with it, and lo, it did work as advertised
[00:52:00] nuonguy: Can you do that?
[00:52:00] JaZy84: yeah i can
[00:53:00] JaZy84: i guess i'll go ahead and do that
[00:53:00] JaZy84: but i'm going to wait for tomarrow.. i'm fed up with the whole tv on pc thing.. DAMN
[00:53:00] JaZy84: thanks for all the help nuonguy
[00:54:00] nuonguy: You're welcome
[00:54:00] nuonguy: Sorry I don't know more
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[01:07:00] EruditeHermit: hey, I get crackly audio as well, is there any way to fix this?
[01:07:00] Criggie: looks like the hauppauge MCE cards are basically the same as the non-MCE cards, the difference is the software.
[01:11:00] fatmatt: anyone using the deb packeges from mdz?
[01:12:00] fatmatt: backend isn't starting after I upgraded just then
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[01:16:00] fatmatt: ffs, half the stuff was uninstalled... sgould have read that list a little more closely
[01:18:00] NightMonkey: twisted_one: Well, here's what ports myth uses on my backend: tcp ports 3306, 6543, 6544. So, open those to your neighbor, and they've got your TV.
[01:19:00] NightMonkey: twisted_one: Note that 3306 is mysql, so you should probably give them a different mysql user to authenticate with, in case things go Hatfields and McCoys.
[01:19:00] twisted_one: NightMonkey: thanks =)
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[01:20:00] twisted_one: If they knew what an SQL server was I woudl be worried =P
[01:20:00] twisted_one: But I shall consider it
[01:20:00] NightMonkey: twisted_one: Well, just worry about a SQL slammer type mysql virius.
[01:20:00] de-v-: are there any quality settings you guys think i could fiddle with to try to get mythfrontend to play a little smoother on a p3 450mhz? heh
[01:20:00] twisted_one: NightMonkey: understood =)
[01:20:00] de-v-: i can play fullscreen mpeg2 fine, but when its through mythfrontend it skips and stutters ;/ with mplayer or xine the same files play fine..
[01:21:00] twisted_one: NightMonkey: thanks for the help, for now I just set iptables to accept all ports form the clients IP, so I'll secure it up later once everythign else is hashed out
[01:21:00] de-v-: NightMonkey: saw some logs from you in this channel about your 600x, i too have an ibm 600x.. though mines 450mhz heh
[01:21:00] NightMonkey: twisted_one: If I were you, I'd set up a Default Deny setup, rather than Default Permit.
[01:22:00] de-v-: appears to be too slow for video playback.. odd.. though.. because it can play dvds..
[01:23:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: It probably is fast enought – the neomagic video chip is difficult to do F/OSS with, since neomagic is very tight lipped about their specs. But, Xorg 6.8.2 has Acceleration again for it, so that might help.
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[01:23:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: enought=enough
[01:24:00] de-v-: hrm, im useing 6.8.2
[01:24:00] de-v-: other than overlaymem, what did you have to set in your xorg?
[01:24:00] de-v-: .conf
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[01:24:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: Oh. Do you mean video with mythfrontend, or some other app?
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[01:25:00] NightMonkey: lemmie boot it. One sec.
[01:25:00] de-v-: video with mythfrontend specifically, it skips watching recordings.. however, if i play the file directly over http with mplayer it doesnt skip or studder
[01:25:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: Lemmie boot it without AC – then I'll have a proc the same speed as you ;).
[01:26:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: What kernel are you running? And do you have NPTL going?
[01:26:00] de-v-: 2.6.12, whats nptl?
[01:27:00] de-v-: oh, nevermind, yeah
[01:27:00] de-v-: just never heard that acronym before
[01:27:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: Native POSIX Thread Library. Very much faster than LinuxThreads – quite a boost in overall system speed, at least for me.
[01:28:00] de-v-: oh wait, no
[01:28:00] de-v-: hrm
[01:28:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: Even more important for the older thinkpads, since you need all the speed you can get ;).
[01:29:00] de-v-: very, very true heh
[01:29:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: Here, do this as root on your TP.
[01:29:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: /lib/libc.so.6
[01:30:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: (yes, just run it)
[01:30:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: You should see NPTL mentioned under "Available extensions:".
[01:30:00] de-v-: yeah i have the gentoo-wiki open, its not like readmail -reallyfast (rm -rf) hehe
[01:31:00] de-v-: yup im useing linuxthreads
[01:31:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: If your distro supports it, a switch to NPTL is really quite nice.
[01:31:00] de-v-: yeah, it does, im reading how right now, seems easy enough
[01:31:00] de-v-: im up for anything, would love to have a portable tv
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[01:32:00] de-v-: and dont want to waste this old lappy
[01:32:00] immolo: de-v-- if you are using gentoo and on older hardware I would use the stage 1 on 3 install
[01:32:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: OK, my PIII is set to 138.704 Mhz (!). mythfrontend is running skip-free.
[01:33:00] de-v-: nice, so i have a light at the end of the tunnel
[01:33:00] de-v-: immolo: yeah, i did stage3 on this, less compile time (yay)
[01:33:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: That's not FS, let me try that.
[01:33:00] de-v-: switch of the use flags, and now im emerging, closing the lid, and going to play burnout
[01:33:00] de-v-: NightMonkey: i didnt notice a difference between running in a window and fullscreen
[01:34:00] immolo: de-v-- Yeah but did you remerge your system to use gcc3.4.4 and nptlonly?
[01:34:00] de-v-: nope because i didnt have hte use flags set when i emerged
[01:34:00] de-v-: this time i do and its emerging world again hehe
[01:35:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: Fairly smooth – a few stutters in the first 20 secornds.
[01:35:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: Smooth from then on.
[01:35:00] de-v-: very nice
[01:35:00] immolo: hehe but I would update to gcc3.4.4 and glibc2.5.1 first for a real speed
[01:35:00] immolo: boost
[01:36:00] de-v-: those must be masked
[01:36:00] de-v-: ah, yup
[01:36:00] immolo: they are
[01:37:00] de-v-: dont have anything to lose, why not!
[01:37:00] de-v-: hehe
[01:37:00] fryfrog: mchou: the only cheap firewire card walmart had didn't have any cables :(
[01:37:00] immolo: de-v-- you have to merge them in special way else your system will break
[01:39:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: You asked about my xorg.conf. Really, the only thing I've got set is 'Option "StrangeLockups" "True"'
[01:39:00] immolo: de-v-- http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-345229.html
[01:39:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: And I run 1024x768@24 as my default res.
[01:40:00] Pio: what kind of tuner card would you recommend if im not interested in any sort of hardware encoding
[01:40:00] Pio: im using an ancient bt848 card now, its audio capture is scratchy, the picture is washed out, etc
[01:41:00] Pio: but i nuvexport everything i record to xvid anyway, so hardware encoding doesnt mean much to me
[01:43:00] de-v-: immolo: thank you for the link, i will bookmark and refer to it if just compiling glibc for ntpl support doesnt work..
[01:44:00] de-v-: NightMonkey: thanks alot for the help and information, i really really appreiciate it. since this baby is starting to compile, im going to cook dinner heh
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[01:44:00] immolo: de-v-- It will work fine recompling with ntpl support that guide will just give you a 30% speed increase
[01:47:00] de-v-: it just looks scary ;/ if this doesnt work, i'll be prepared to be terrified
[01:47:00] de-v-: ;)
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[01:48:00] NightMonkey: de-v-: No problem. Good luck.
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[01:52:00] mmschnei: NightMonkey: working on this now, I ahve those ports open, btu on the remote client all I get is this when it try and connect to the back end...
[01:52:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Working on what now?
[01:53:00] mmschnei: 2005-08–14 18:50:52:.556 New DB connection, total: 1
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[01:53:00] mmschnei: NightMonkey: sorry, twisted_one and mmschnei are the same person =)
[01:53:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Ah, a chameleon.
[01:53:00] mmschnei: cloned myself, lazy and dont want to run back and forth.
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[01:54:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Well, let me teach you to fish... On your backend machine, as root, do this:
[01:54:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: netstat -lnp |less
[01:54:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Look for mysql and mythbackend ports. Open the ones you find.
[01:55:00] mmschnei: ok
[01:56:00] mmschnei: hrmm, the back end is listening on 3071. =)
[01:56:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Those options to netstat will list the process name for each listening port.
[01:56:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: THere' you go.
[01:56:00] mmschnei: and mysql is 3069
[01:56:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Now you're cooking.
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[01:56:00] mmschnei: but in my backends setup I left them as the defaults and looking at it now its still the same way
[01:57:00] mmschnei: any idea why its not listening ont he ports that it appears to be configured for?
[01:57:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Well, something is lying to you ;).
[01:57:00] mmschnei: oh
[01:57:00] mmschnei: wait
[01:57:00] mmschnei: Im stupid
[01:57:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: I'd believe netstat.
[01:57:00] mmschnei: I think those are PIDS
[01:58:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Doh
[01:58:00] mmschnei: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:*....
[01:58:00] mmschnei: so its the same ports
[01:58:00] mmschnei: bah
[01:58:00] mmschnei: I know I can connect fromwithin the firewall
[01:58:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Does the mythfrontend on the other side of the FW have the proper mysql auth info?
[01:58:00] mmschnei: I do it all the time
[01:59:00] mmschnei: it should
[01:59:00] mmschnei: what file is that stored in?
[01:59:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: What happens if you default allow?
[01:59:00] mmschnei: same t hing
[01:59:00] mmschnei: thing*
[01:59:00] mmschnei: so Im thinking its myth conf, not the firewall
[01:59:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: ~mythtvuser/.mythtv/mysql.txt, I think.
[01:59:00] mchou: fryfrog: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?pr . . . 5#long_descr
[01:59:00] mmschnei: been a while since i touched the setup stuffs
[02:00:00] fryfrog: wasn't there at the walmart i went to :(
[02:00:00] fryfrog: i'll try compusa tomorow, wish i'd thought of that while i was there
[02:01:00] mmschnei: the only var that differs is the DBHostName
[02:01:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Why does that differ?
[02:02:00] mmschnei: because of the networking setup
[02:02:00] mmschnei: if I set it to the same thing it wouldn't resolve
[02:02:00] mmschnei: let me try it anyways, I'll add it to /etc/hosts
[02:03:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Ah, but does your mysqld look at the host you're coming from for auth, too?
[02:03:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Have you limited access in mysql by network masks, or hostnames?
[02:03:00] mmschnei: hrmm, thats most likely the block, I'll add another rule
[02:03:00] mmschnei: let me try that
[02:04:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Rule? I'm talking about mysql.
[02:04:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Not the FW.
[02:04:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Just to be clear.
[02:04:00] mmschnei: yes
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[02:07:00] mmschnei: ok, im on a very limited setup here, no mouse and small res screen right now
[02:07:00] mmschnei: care to help me with the mysqladmin command?
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[02:08:00] Krazylegz: man mysqladmin
[02:08:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: I'd use phpmyadmin.
[02:08:00] Krazylegz: Very useful.
[02:11:00] mmschnei: ok
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[02:12:00] mmschnei: I can login just fine, but I dont know the command to allow a connection from this ip
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[02:12:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Login from your neighbors box?
[02:13:00] mmschnei: Im on that box now, Im sshd into my box and then from there im able to get access to modify my mysql server
[02:13:00] mmschnei: I just don tknowt he syntax to ahve it allow connections from this ip
[02:13:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Oh, that's not the same thing.
[02:13:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Logging into mysql using the mysql client would be the right test.
[02:14:00] mmschnei: I am logged in
[02:14:00] mmschnei: I need to know what command I need to issue to add access from this ip
[02:14:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: With mysql? If you are, then you don't need to modify mysql access tables.
[02:14:00] mmschnei: heh
[02:15:00] mmschnei: communication breakdown =)
[02:15:00] mmschnei: pretend im sitting at my machine
[02:15:00] mmschnei: (the backend)
[02:15:00] mmschnei: and I want to modify the SQL server to allow access from some ip
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[02:15:00] mmschnei: what command do I issue to mysql to enable access from that ip?
[02:15:00] mchou: defaultro: House is on tonite!
[02:16:00] mmschnei: I cannot remember it, but IIRC I ahve to issue flush_privileges afterwards
[02:17:00] Riff-Raff: mmschnei: it is on the GRANT-command
[02:18:00] mmschnei: Riff-Raff: thank you =)
[02:18:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Actually, you might use "mysqlaccess". Man that, and check the "--preview" and "--commit" options, along with overall syntax.
[02:18:00] mmschnei: Riff-Raff: do you happen to know the syntax off hand
[02:18:00] mmschnei: NightMonkey: Riff-Raff has what Im looking for =)
[02:18:00] Riff-Raff: nope, but seee http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/grant.html
[02:18:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Yeah, GRANT-ing works, too.
[02:19:00] mmschnei: lol
[02:20:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Try "mysqlaccess --howto|less".
[02:21:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Hard to give you specifics, since I don't know what you've got in your grant tables now.
[02:23:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: But, really, phpmyadmin will save you alot of grief, if you don't use that already.
[02:25:00] mmschnei: meh, i need to learn all fo the mysql stuff anyways
[02:25:00] mmschnei: its done
[02:25:00] mmschnei: trying now
[02:26:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: It can help you learn – it shows you the syntax. But, oh well.
[02:26:00] mmschnei: ok, is there a log from access attempts to the mysql db?
[02:26:00] mmschnei: Im getting the same behavior despite the fact that I allowed it
[02:27:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Did you flush privs.
[02:27:00] NightMonkey: ?
[02:27:00] mmschnei: yes
[02:27:00] mmschnei: \)
[02:27:00] mmschnei: Sorry about my impatience, its a freakin zoo over here, fighting dogs and children that wont shutup
[02:28:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Again, can you connect from that box with the command line client "mysql"?
[02:28:00] mmschnei: let me try that =), good test
[02:28:00] mmschnei: thank you for your help, btw =)
[02:28:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: No sweat.
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[02:30:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: If you can get access and do something simple like "show tables;", you can at least narrow it down to something higher up.
[02:30:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: I've had big problems in the past with the QT mysql libraries getting upset.
[02:30:00] mmschnei: ok, im hitting the db (so the firewall is good) but its getting denied, not sure why
[02:30:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: But, we're not there yet. ;)
[02:30:00] mmschnei: ok =)
[02:31:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: So something like "mysql -p -u <youruser>" from your neighbors box.
[02:31:00] BoBotheClown-13: mythtranscode: mpeg2trans.cpp:668: bool MPEG2trans::process_video(AVPacket*, bool): Assertion `0' failed.
[02:31:00] BoBotheClown-13: Aborted
[02:31:00] mmschnei: what do you want me to do right now, when I try and login it gives me access denied for user mythtv@myhost (Using password = yes)
[02:31:00] BoBotheClown-13: anyone ever gotten this when transcoding before?
[02:31:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Well, there's your problem.
[02:31:00] mmschnei: Yep
[02:32:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: So, you need to make your mysql server allow access. Do you have a complex grant setup on your server?
[02:32:00] mmschnei: no
[02:32:00] mmschnei: right now its...
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[02:33:00] mmschnei: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%");
[02:33:00] mmschnei: ah ha!
[02:33:00] mmschnei: i forgot the identified by "mythtv" part =
[02:33:00] mmschnei: =)
[02:33:00] mmschnei: I can now login from here
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[02:34:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Now just setup mythfrontend's access info to the same thing.
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[02:35:00] mmschnei: and its working =)
[02:35:00] mmschnei: well I think =)
[02:35:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: ?
[02:35:00] mmschnei: logged in and all, but trying to watch vid is a black screen...
[02:35:00] mmschnei: mythfrontend connected and everything =)
[02:35:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Ah, you've got a different problem, then...
[02:35:00] mmschnei: yep
[02:35:00] mmschnei: but working through them
[02:36:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Cool. Glad to help.
[02:36:00] PatrickDK: hmm, I wonder if I can get mythtv to put my usb cam on channel 1 :)
[02:36:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: And, not to beat a dead horse, but mysql GRANT is a bit obtuse – phpmyadmin does user management right, and is a good educational tool to see how it is properly done. Just a suggestion.
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[02:37:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: So, do you still get an OSD when you see the "black screen" during playback?
[02:38:00] Krazylegz: I actually edit the mysql database manually using SQL, because I find it to be easiest.
[02:39:00] twisted_one: nope
[02:39:00] twisted_one: (back on the other comp now)
[02:39:00] twisted_one: thinking it might be a networking issue going to grant access on all ports from that machines ip
[02:39:00] NightMonkey: Krazylegz: Yeah, I do the same thing when I'm working on the data portion. But the user access stuff is hard for my poor brain to easily grok. And it seems to easy to get gotcha'd.
[02:40:00] Krazylegz: Easier if you use phpMyAdmin, which is okay if you understand how to do it manually.
[02:40:00] Krazylegz: I just don't like the GRANT stuff, and never used it.
[02:40:00] Krazylegz: I'm saying that it's okay if he finds it easier too. :-)
[02:41:00] NightMonkey: Krazylegz: Hey, there's no rules here! ;)
[02:41:00] Krazylegz: Then I guess we're dropping the gloves!
[02:41:00] Krazylegz: Haha.
[02:41:00] twisted_one: lol
[02:42:00] twisted_one: I just need to learn all of mysql's syntax soon enough for school, so the more I learn now, the better =)
[02:42:00] twisted_one: anyways rules are update
[02:42:00] twisted_one: going to run back and see if it works now
[02:42:00] NightMonkey: twisted_one: Get "SQL in a Nutshell" from O'reilly. It's always on my desk.
[02:43:00] NightMonkey: twisted_one: Be sure to get the 2nd Edition (newest).
[02:43:00] Krazylegz: You really use it that often?
[02:43:00] Krazylegz: I actually learned most of my SQL from the MySQL manual, until I decided to lookup more online, or take database classes.
[02:44:00] NightMonkey: Krazylegz: Yeah. It's also very good at cross-DBMS SQL.
[02:44:00] Krazylegz: Oh, that's good.
[02:44:00] ** Krazylegz places order on Amazon **
[02:44:00] NightMonkey: Krazylegz: It is very good to see what is standard SQL and what is specific to a vendor.
[02:45:00] twisted_one: yeah I need to learn postgressql actually
[02:45:00] NightMonkey: Krazylegz: Like, you'll see how, from the syntax (or lack thereof), which databases are more or less applicable to certain overall goals.
[02:45:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, that would be handy, since I'm always with MySQL and MS SQL. I get stuck when I use a real RDBMS.
[02:46:00] Krazylegz: SQL in a Nutshell?
[02:47:00] NightMonkey: Krazylegz: Like, in this case, the user access options in Oracle are just mind-bending. But, comparitively sparse for PostgreSQL.
[02:48:00] Krazylegz: Hmm, $30.
[02:48:00] ** Krazylegz puts away wallet **
[02:48:00] mmschnei: I dont know whats going on
[02:48:00] NightMonkey: Krazylegz: Yep. Worth it, IMO.
[02:49:00] mmschnei: it just hangs when it tries to access stuff on the backend. but the connection is there because I have mythvideo installed and i can see all of my movies and the like...
[02:49:00] mmschnei: not sure whats going on
[02:50:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Try to do another netstat -lnp on the backend when you try to play something. See if another port pops up?
[02:50:00] mmschnei: in the term I launch the front end from it just has "connecting to the backend server:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[02:50:00] mmschnei: ok
[02:50:00] mmschnei: wait..
[02:50:00] mmschnei: I think i see
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[02:51:00] mmschnei: the ip of the backend is not going to be what it needs...
[02:51:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: "it"?
[02:51:00] mmschnei: so let me go and reconfigure the backend (its just an internal ip) and this machiesn trying to hit despite the fact that its on a different subnet
[02:51:00] mmschnei: it = this box
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[02:52:00] mmschnei: NightMonkey: does that make sense?
[02:52:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: You NATing?
[02:52:00] mmschnei: yes
[02:52:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: You have the ports all nicely forwarded?
[02:52:00] mmschnei: yes
[02:52:00] mmschnei: but... it seems that when it connects to the db
[02:52:00] mmschnei: it grabs the backends ip from there
[02:52:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Do you have deny logs on your FW?
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[02:52:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Oh, yes. That's right.
[02:53:00] mmschnei: and the ip of the backend in the db is the internal net one, and then this machine (external) tries to use the internal ip
[02:53:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Right.
[02:53:00] mmschnei: so let me go and configure my backend
[02:53:00] mmschnei: infact ssh -X will allow me to be lazy =P
[02:53:00] NightMonkey: Hmm... not sure if Myth can handle NAT....
[02:54:00] mmschnei: I'll bet it can
[02:54:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: I use an SSH -D proxy + Dante's "socksify" prepended command to get access remotely. Or OpenVPN.
[02:55:00] NightMonkey: mmschnei: Or MythstreamTV ;).
[02:55:00] mmschnei: that I'll have to look into
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[02:57:00] BoBotheClown-13: hello group
[02:57:00] BoBotheClown-13: a question
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[02:58:00] BoBotheClown-13: does anyone out there have a radio controlled remote control?
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[02:58:00] mmschnei: yes
[02:59:00] mmschnei: mines RF
[02:59:00] BoBotheClown-13: I am using suse 9.3 with an amd64 athlon
[02:59:00] BoBotheClown-13: and I would like to buy the rf remote
[02:59:00] BoBotheClown-13: who makes it
[02:59:00] BoBotheClown-13: ?
[02:59:00] mmschnei: snapstreams firefly reportedly works
[02:59:00] mmschnei: and mines an ATI RemoteWonder II
[03:00:00] mmschnei: it uses the X10 remote driver in the kernel
[03:00:00] mmschnei: I had to modify the driver though to map my buttons
[03:00:00] BoBotheClown-13: I havent really gotten to the modules yet
[03:01:00] BoBotheClown-13: just wondering if it isfeasible
[03:01:00] BoBotheClown-13: was it a pain to compile?
[03:01:00] mmschnei: no
[03:01:00] mmschnei: it is
[03:01:00] mmschnei: I can show you a few modified ones and you should be able to understand it from there
[03:01:00] mmschnei: its not that hard
[03:01:00] mmschnei: i think I documented mine decently well so it should work
[03:01:00] BoBotheClown-13: nice
[03:02:00] mmschnei: and if you get the same controller you can just take my config
[03:02:00] mmschnei: and if not im going ot help a friend with the firefly (similiar controller, same driver)
[03:02:00] mmschnei: so I will have a good config for that as well, I think.
[03:03:00] BoBotheClown-13: have you used the passthrough features at all?
[03:03:00] mmschnei: passthrough?
[03:04:00] BoBotheClown-13: digital cable box to pvr 350, then tv out to main set
[03:04:00] mmschnei: no
[03:04:00] BoBotheClown-13: basically pause live tv
[03:04:00] mmschnei: I dont have a cable box
[03:04:00] WAR_CH|LD: has anyone had any experience with setting up with hauppauge PCR500?
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[03:04:00] mmschnei: PVR500
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[03:04:00] BoBotheClown-13: I really like recording with myth, but I would really like it if I didnt have to get my lazy a#$ off the couch
[03:04:00] WAR_CH|LD: err, PVR500
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[03:04:00] mmschnei: yes, mines working
[03:04:00] mmschnei: dont ask me how though
[03:05:00] mmschnei: BoBotheClown-13: I can pause livetv just fine
[03:05:00] mmschnei: but I dont have a cablebox, that complicates things.
[03:05:00] BoBotheClown-13: are you watching on your main set?
[03:05:00] mmschnei: yes
[03:05:00] BoBotheClown-13: see that will be sweet
[03:06:00] mmschnei: it is
[03:06:00] BoBotheClown-13: I have to wait for all the a/v cabnles I bought to arrive
[03:06:00] mmschnei: I upgraded from tivo to myth, I love it
[03:06:00] WAR_CH|LD: mmschnei, cna we please talk in pm?
[03:06:00] mmschnei: WAR_CH|LD: not now, i really need to get one thing fixed and I need to get to bed, I got work at 4am tomorrow =
[03:06:00] mmschnei: =\
[03:06:00] mmschnei: Sorry dude, but I'll be around tomorrow
[03:07:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, that's cools
[03:07:00] BoBotheClown-13: whats your problem with the pvr 500 WAR_CHILD
[03:07:00] mmschnei: WAR_CH|LD: unless its just a quick q. but most of the 500 stuff is not even close to quick
[03:07:00] WAR_CH|LD: nah, it ain't quick.
[03:07:00] WAR_CH|LD: basically, i'm not sure what I have completed incorrectly
[03:07:00] mmschnei: WAR_CH|LD: honestly, i have no idea how mines working =P
[03:07:00] WAR_CH|LD: when I load up t he myth front end
[03:07:00] mmschnei: WAR_CH|LD: I have another box here, same exact hardware
[03:07:00] WAR_CH|LD: and go to watch live tv. My Comptuer just totally freezes
[03:07:00] mmschnei: and I cnat get it to work
[03:08:00] mmschnei: ok
[03:08:00] mmschnei: ill help you out tomorrow when i get a chance
[03:08:00] mmschnei: sorry
[03:08:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, I got some logs. I have not looked at them
[03:08:00] WAR_CH|LD: no need to be sorry man. :) we all have to live too! :)
[03:08:00] mmschnei: ok, look them over =)
[03:08:00] mmschnei: ok, heading abck to my comp
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[03:08:00] BoBotheClown-13: can you capture /dev/video into a file?
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[03:24:00] WAR_CH|LD: anyone else have any experience with the PVR500?
[03:26:00] kslater: how many of you vets are using nuvexport?
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[03:27:00] ** xris does... **
[03:28:00] xris: then again, I was the first nuvexport user EVER.  ;)
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[03:30:00] kslater: xris!
[03:30:00] kslater: didn't see you here
[03:30:00] xris: I wasn't until recently
[03:31:00] jemarcks: cronz, howdy
[03:31:00] kslater: I have an older box (rh9-ish) – MythTV .15 maybe? I'd like to use nuvexport to trim the fluff from some recordings from my PVR250 to prep for burning to DVD
[03:31:00] kslater: I'm having trouble getting all the dependencies in place.
[03:31:00] xris: kslater: so you want to use mpeg2cut?
[03:32:00] kslater: yes, if that's what I think it is.
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[03:32:00] xris: lossless commercial cutting
[03:32:00] kslater: Basically the commercials are marked, and the recording is as laid down. (Didn't transcode to MPEG4)
[03:32:00] xris: do you have a newer box anywhere?
[03:32:00] kslater: this (underpowered) laptop is FC4
[03:33:00] xris: hmm, that's no good, either.. lve (needed for mpeg2cut) doesn't work after fc2
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[03:33:00] xris: you may be out of luck
[03:33:00] jemarcks: Has anybody heard if or when mythtv 0.19 is due to be out?
[03:33:00] kslater: xris: so I need lve and it won't compile or build on rh9?
[03:33:00] xris: jemarcks: no time soon
[03:33:00] xris: kslater: or in fc3 or fc4
[03:34:00] xris: should work in redhat 9
[03:34:00] jemarcks: xris, must be a lot of new stuff going into it then.
[03:34:00] xris: no, whatever it is with lve has something to do with C++ issues with the newer gcc
[03:34:00] kslater: ok, I'll give it shot compiling from the src package
[03:35:00] xris: sorry, getting kslater and jemarcks confused... too make people talking to me at once.  :)
[03:35:00] xris: jemarcks: rewrites of a lot of core stuff.
[03:35:00] xris: kslater: you really only need lvemux
[03:35:00] xris: and avidemux2
[03:35:00] kslater: ok, can that be had separately?
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[03:35:00] xris: ufortunately, no
[03:36:00] xris: Beirdo is working on splitting out the necessary stuff from both avidemux and lve, but he's been too busy falling in love and trying to get himself engaged, so we forgive him.
[03:36:00] kslater: well then I'll have to dive in
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[03:36:00] jemarcks: xris, any tempting new features after they fix the old code with a rewrite?
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[03:36:00] twisted_one: any of you guys happen to know the command for overriding the backend's IP when I start mythfrontend?
[03:37:00] xris: jemarcks: nope
[03:37:00] xris: not until I get mythweb updated
[03:37:00] xris: heh
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[03:37:00] jemarcks: heh... well get on with it! lol
[03:37:00] jemarcks: i hope there is a way to burn dvds with menus
[03:37:00] xris: jemarcks: doesn't nuv2disk already do that?
[03:38:00] jemarcks: xris, yeah i think so. But my box has issues and i cant get it to compile yet
[03:38:00] xris: twisted_one: sorry, no clue
[03:38:00] jemarcks: im thinking of a fresh fc4 based install
[03:38:00] xris: jemarcks: I don't see the point of burning dvd's, so it's never been much of a priority to integrate with nuvexport.
[03:38:00] jemarcks: maybe that will cure my demons
[03:39:00] twisted_one: grr, I cant just export it as an env var...
[03:39:00] jemarcks: xris, well i like to save old startrek shows and my wife likes to save the best of dickvandyke
[03:39:00] xris: twisted_one: just wait until they get zeroconf added in, then you won't be able to override anything.
[03:39:00] twisted_one: lovely
[03:39:00] twisted_one: bastards
[03:39:00] twisted_one: =P
[03:39:00] xris: jemarcks: so why burn less-than-dvd quality video to dvd? I can fit 27 half-hour episodes onto a dvi in xvid format.
[03:40:00] kslater: xris: don't take this the wrong way, but how's gopchop for trimming MPEG2 recordings? I need to move stuff off my mythbox and compiling lve is getting involved..
[03:40:00] xris: kslater: gopchop (and its kin like gopdit) only cut at a gop... which can be a second or two long.
[03:40:00] jemarcks: xris, uhhhh... really? dayum! i never have put much effort into that so i just used the first script i found.
[03:40:00] xris: if you want to do stuff manually, you might want to look at avidemux2 and cut on i frames.
[03:40:00] jemarcks: xris, how did you do that? nuvexport?
[03:41:00] xris: jemarcks: yes
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[03:41:00] xris: about 350M/hour (minus commercials) at default multipass settings.
[03:41:00] xris: quality is really good, too.
[03:41:00] xris: jemarcks: won't play on a dvd player, but it's a heck of a lot less space used.
[03:42:00] jemarcks: hmm... well the wife wants it to play on a dvd player
[03:42:00] xris: jemarcks: why not just set up mythvideo?
[03:42:00] xris: (or you could get a divx/xvid-capable dvd player)
[03:43:00] jemarcks: xris, never considered that... so convert the .nuv files to xvids and let mythvideo play them back?
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[03:44:00] xris: yeah
[03:44:00] jemarcks: hmmmmmmmmm
[03:44:00] xris: you could theoretically put them back in place of the original nuv files, too... I *think* that myth is smart enough to play avi files even with the nuv extension.
[03:45:00] xris: anyway, I need to go track down some food.. later.
[03:45:00] jemarcks: how do i convert a .nuv to xvid
[03:45:00] jemarcks: ?
[03:45:00] jemarcks: cya
[03:46:00] xris: jemarcks: nuvexport
[03:46:00] jemarcks: oh.. that thing. lol
[03:47:00] Pio: you can do it by hand too .. the best way to figure it out is to look at the nuvexport source :)
[03:47:00] xris: Pio: or run --debug and look at that
[03:47:00] Pio: yeah huh
[03:47:00] xris: nuvexport --mode xvid --title .
[03:47:00] xris: :)
[03:47:00] Pio: i just hacked my nuvexport to export to mono audio tracks since i cant fix my damn left-channel-only audio bug
[03:48:00] xris: ouch
[03:48:00] Pio: yeah
[03:48:00] Pio: its weird, every time i've had this issue before, it seems to automagically go away
[03:48:00] Pio: like in a week i'll just notice it.. hey, its stereo now
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[03:51:00] jemarcks: xris, i have nuvexport 0.2 tarball... is there a better one?
[03:52:00] PatrickDK: very odd
[03:52:00] PatrickDK: my monitor works ok
[03:52:00] PatrickDK: but when displaying livetv it's all red out
[03:53:00] PatrickDK: like there is no blue really
[03:55:00] kslater: xris: what version of lve do I need?
[03:55:00] kslater: I found a redhat 9 package on a fedora legacy site
[03:56:00] kslater: xris: nevermind, I'm a moron – spelling counts..
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[04:01:00] xris: kslater: cool
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[04:24:00] fatmatt: why would mythbrowser debian packages depend on kde
[04:25:00] GreyFoxx: cause mythbrowser depends on kde ? :)
[04:26:00] Pio: it uses the konqueror engine
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[04:28:00] elarkin: any xorg experts here? i got a 55in hdtv copat 4:3 tv im looking to tweak for best picture with fx5700 video card
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[04:30:00] Pio: im good with xorg but not hdtv heh.. do you have a dvi connector on it?
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[04:31:00] grendel970: my channel lineup is being renumbered by comcast, does anyone know if I will have to delete my tv source and then readd it?
[04:31:00] grendel970: I can't seem to find any info on this..
[04:31:00] grendel970: I'm hoping mythfilldatabase will automatically do it..
[04:31:00] de-v-: yeah it should
[04:32:00] de-v-: pretty sure each time it runs it clears out (?)
[04:32:00] elarkin: Pio no im using Svideo
[04:32:00] Pio: elarkin, im not sure how much tweaking you can do.. nvidia-settings really is the only game in town i suppose
[04:32:00] elarkin: is that a linux program ?
[04:33:00] Pio: yeah
[04:33:00] Pio: it comes with the nvidia drivers
[04:33:00] WAR_CH|LD: anyone else have any experience with the PVR500?
[04:33:00] thechris: yes
[04:33:00] elarkin: yes War
[04:33:00] WAR_CH|LD: awesome, I try to watch video
[04:33:00] thechris: so far bad.
[04:33:00] WAR_CH|LD: after about 2/3 seconds. whole computer locks up
[04:33:00] WAR_CH|LD: got any ideas?
[04:33:00] elarkin: mine were bad but are now good
[04:33:00] thechris: VIA chipset?
[04:34:00] thechris: ASUS mobo?
[04:34:00] WAR_CH|LD: nah, nforce3
[04:34:00] WAR_CH|LD: abit mobo
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[04:34:00] elarkin: you using ivtv drivers?
[04:34:00] thechris: hmm. my asus mobo would cause kernel panics with ivtv...
[04:34:00] WAR_CH|LD: ivtv 3.9.0
[04:34:00] thechris: do you have ptune.pl
[04:34:00] elarkin: do you notice you system is slow normally ?
[04:34:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, I recorded static, I am in australia... so have to program channels there
[04:35:00] WAR_CH|LD: it's fine normally
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[04:35:00] thechris: oh, that reminds me:
[04:35:00] thechris: dmesg | grep tuner
[04:35:00] elarkin: what does dmesg say? does it say 0x44 device not found ?
[04:35:00] WAR_CH|LD: let me check
[04:35:00] thechris: make sure BOTH tuners come up. sometimes the second comes up as "unknown tuner"
[04:37:00] WAR_CH|LD: I get 3 "tunertype not set" messages
[04:37:00] thechris: ok, you need to set the tunertype manually when loading
[04:37:00] thechris: go ahead and rmmod ivtv
[04:37:00] elarkin: do find / -name tveeprom -print
[04:37:00] elarkin: do find / -name tuner.ko -print
[04:37:00] elarkin: tveeprom.ko sorry
[04:38:00] elarkin: the remove them
[04:38:00] thechris: you will need to find the correct tuner type. for me it is 57, but for you it will not be.
[04:38:00] elarkin: then recomplie and install ivtv
[04:38:00] WAR_CH|LD: k
[04:38:00] WAR_CH|LD: sounds good! :)
[04:38:00] thechris: if you compiled the driver, compiling ivtv will give you warnings about duplicate modules
[04:39:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, I don't think I have duplicates...... I think i've been slightly down this path before.. no hamr in double checking
[04:39:00] elarkin: actually mine gave me device not found errors till i removed them
[04:39:00] WAR_CH|LD: give me a sec, it's rebooting.
[04:39:00] elarkin: afk a sec trying nvidia-settings
[04:40:00] grendel970: anyone have their channel lineup renumbered? I am wondering if anything needs to be done.. I can't find any damn info on this, even on mythtv-users mailing list archives
[04:44:00] WAR_CH|LD: for the files tveeprom.ko and tuner.ko, what do I keep what do I delete?
[04:45:00] thechris: it should tell you
[04:45:00] WAR_CH|LD: what should tell me?
[04:45:00] thechris: when you compile the ivtv modules
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[04:48:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, yeah
[04:48:00] WAR_CH|LD: found it
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[04:48:00] WAR_CH|LD: 3 different ones
[04:49:00] grendel970: I think just with tuner, just go through your kernel module tree and rename any occurences of anything existing with the same name
[04:49:00] WAR_CH|LD: once I have run demod, try again?
[04:49:00] grendel970: I had to rename 2 or 3 modules
[04:49:00] WAR_CH|LD: or do I need to rmmod ivtv?
[04:49:00] thechris: not sure
[04:49:00] thechris: i use rmmod
[04:50:00] thechris: because then i do a modprobe tuner=57,57
[04:50:00] thechris: but you'd use something besides 57
[04:50:00] WAR_CH|LD: why, what does that 57 stand for?
[04:50:00] thechris: ntsc tuner on pvr150
[04:50:00] WAR_CH|LD: where do Ifind out what i need?
[04:51:00] thechris: ivtv-0.3.8/driver/tuner.h
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[04:51:00] thechris: wherever that is on your comp
[04:51:00] thechris: #define TUNER_LG_PAL_TAPE 55 /* Hauppauge PVR-150 PAL */
[04:51:00] thechris: #define TUNER_PHILIPS_FQ1216AME_MK4 56 /* Hauppauge PVR-150 PAL */
[04:51:00] thechris: #define TUNER_PHILIPS_FQ1236A_MK4 57 /* Hauppauge PVR-500MCE NTSC */
[04:51:00] de-v-: anyone ever see in the mythfrontend log, where the video/audio keeps studdering, and it keeps saying "prebuffering pause" every second?
[04:51:00] grendel970: most likely ivtv will autodetect it
[04:52:00] thechris: grendel970: on my box, ivtv detects one, but not both
[04:52:00] PatrickDK: very odd
[04:52:00] PatrickDK: I can't seem to get my two cards to work at once
[04:52:00] thechris: PatrickDK: 500MCE?
[04:52:00] PatrickDK: no, a pvr-350, and a webcam
[04:53:00] thechris: oh, not sure then
[04:53:00] grendel970: pci bus mastering?
[04:53:00] grendel970: different pci slot?
[04:53:00] WAR_CH|LD: I might go 56
[04:53:00] PatrickDK: no, the pvr350 works perfectly
[04:53:00] PatrickDK: but, mythtv seems to want to change channels on the webcam
[04:53:00] PatrickDK: and wont change over to the 350 when I want to watch cable
[04:53:00] grendel970: ahh the autodetect in mythtv is good, it's watching you..
[04:54:00] jemarcks: xris, nuvexport question.... where do i tell it what the name of the video recording directory is?
[04:54:00] WAR_CH|LD: thechris, you said "then I do a modprobe tuner=57,57" I replace 57 with 56, yeah cools. but that command gives me an error. :)
[04:54:00] grendel970: anyone use nuv2disc? is it pretty easy?
[04:54:00] WAR_CH|LD: so whats the module im' installing, or is taht on teh back of the ivtv module?
[04:55:00] thechris: try 55,55
[04:56:00] thechris: what error does it give
[04:56:00] grendel970: anyone have the patch or know where to get for the program guide blanking after exiting in mythtv with ivtv?
[04:56:00] WAR_CH|LD: modules doesn't exist, so what module am I doign that mod prob with those optiosn for?
[04:57:00] thechris: ivtv
[04:58:00] WAR_CH|LD: gotchya. :)
[04:58:00] thechris: oh
[04:58:00] thechris: modprobe ivtv tuner=56,56
[04:58:00] WAR_CH|LD: well, I just tried it again same thing happened
[04:58:00] thechris: wow, missed that
[04:58:00] thechris: 2 minutes and i'll see if the dual recording thing starts working.
[04:59:00] thechris: well, in myth
[04:59:00] thechris: from CLI it does
[04:59:00] thechris: try just: modprobe ivtv
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[04:59:00] WAR_CH|LD: how can i tell if that modprobe option has gone in?
[05:00:00] thechris: if you do dmesg | grep ivtv
[05:00:00] thechris: or dmesg | grep tuner
[05:00:00] thechris: look for the last lines
[05:00:00] thechris: it will show you what tuners it thinks you have if you didn't specify any
[05:01:00] WAR_CH|LD: ah, ok
[05:01:00] elarkin: is there a way to shut off the vast amount of output in ivtv driver?
[05:02:00] xris: jemarcks: huh? video recording directory? it gets that from myth
[05:02:00] elarkin: i2c_adapter i2c-2: master_recv: reading 1 bytes. 2 etc.. its flooding my dmesg output
[05:03:00] thechris: WAR_CH|LD: what does it say you have?
[05:03:00] jemarcks: xris, well i tried installing it on my frontend box
[05:03:00] jemarcks: xris, i ftp'd a .nuv file to it so i could try it out and i get that error msg
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[05:04:00] Uberbot: Hi all.
[05:04:00] xris: jemarcks: I missed the error
[05:04:00] jemarcks: xris, Loading MythTV recording info.
[05:04:00] jemarcks: Recordings directory /mnt/store/ doesn't exist!
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[05:05:00] Uberbot: I just upgraded to the latest Myth. Now the colors in the program preview window are all messed up. How do I fix this?
[05:05:00] xris: jemarcks: my suggestion... nfs
[05:05:00] WAR_CH|LD: thechris 56
[05:06:00] jemarcks: xris, you read my mind :D
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[05:06:00] Krazylegz: Uberbot: Setup->TV Settings->Program Guide.
[05:06:00] xris: jemarcks: well, that's what I do. heh.\
[05:06:00] Krazylegz: Uberbot: You might need to change the shading method.
[05:06:00] jemarcks: xris, this is what i have in /etc/exports /video 192.168.0.0/24 (rw,no_root_squash,nohide,no_all_squash,insecure)
[05:07:00] jemarcks: xris, what do you have?
[05:08:00] xris: (rw,no_root_squash)
[05:08:00] Chutt: xris, you'll like my upcoming checkin.
[05:08:00] xris: Chutt: ?
[05:08:00] xris: .mpg?
[05:08:00] jemarcks: xris, that it?
[05:08:00] xris: jemarcks: yup
[05:09:00] jemarcks: hmmm...
[05:09:00] Chutt: yup
[05:09:00] Chutt: maybe 10 lines of code
[05:09:00] Chutt: :p
[05:09:00] WAR_CH|LD: thechris looks all good to me, picks up hte philips at 56. looks good.
[05:09:00] xris: Chutt: THANK YOU.  :)
[05:09:00] Chutt: thank david
[05:09:00] Chutt: couldn't have been done without that db change
[05:09:00] jemarcks: xris, no /video or path to export?
[05:09:00] xris: yes
[05:10:00] xris: jemarcks: oh... no, the rest was irrelevant so I didn't paste it
[05:10:00] Chutt: what's the point of mythlink, now, btw?
[05:10:00] GreyFoxx: mpeg files no longer going to be named .nuv ?
[05:10:00] xris: /mnt/video 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash)
[05:10:00] xris: Chutt: technically, nothing.
[05:10:00] Chutt: since you could conceivably just rename the file + update the name in the db
[05:10:00] GreyFoxx: Sweet
[05:10:00] xris: except for people who might want to display different info
[05:10:00] Chutt: yeah, but in multiple places?
[05:10:00] GreyFoxx: is there going to be a field for the path too ?
[05:11:00] xris: but yeah, mythlink could be recreated to a script to just rename the file rather than link
[05:11:00] jemarcks: xris, can i run nuvexport on a frontend box and will it find the recordings on the backend box?
[05:11:00] Chutt: greyfoxx, now that's crazy talk
[05:11:00] sphery: Chutt: mythlink is still good for those of us who like different views of the data (i.e. sorted by title, by original airdate, by recording group, by category...)
[05:11:00] xris: jemarcks: as long as the recordings are available locally, sure
[05:11:00] bjohnson: can anyone tell me how I can retrieve http://www.blockbuster.ca/previously_enjoyed/ . . . enjoyed.aspx in a 2 column ascii file?
[05:11:00] Chutt: ah, i guess if you want different views through the filesystem
[05:11:00] jemarcks: cool
[05:11:00] Chutt: greyfoxx, actually, that's a lot more difficult
[05:11:00] Chutt: a _lot_
[05:12:00] GreyFoxx: Chutt: Hehe well I'm also thinking if someone wants to spread the shows over multiple directories/drives/whatever
[05:12:00] Chutt: right
[05:12:00] Chutt: so, um
[05:12:00] jemarcks: xris, ummm... how do i get the frontend to mount the nfs exported path?
[05:12:00] Chutt: since i don't have ivtv installed on this kernel
[05:12:00] Chutt: someone want to test to make sure i didn't fuck anything up?
[05:12:00] xris: jemarcks: I use automount
[05:12:00] sphery: What about putting a "subdirectory" into the basename? Would that totally break things?
[05:12:00] jemarcks: k
[05:12:00] xris: but you could just mount it manually
[05:12:00] Chutt: sphery, oh, you can do that now
[05:12:00] GreyFoxx: You commit it already ?
[05:12:00] Chutt: not yet
[05:12:00] Chutt: will in a sec
[05:13:00] GreyFoxx: k
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[05:13:00] xris: ok, more food stuff...
[05:13:00] sphery: So, in theory, we could create directories in the "main" recording directory and mount other filesystems there...
[05:13:00] jemarcks: xris, i was thinking of using the nfs config tool
[05:14:00] Chutt: sphery, the hardest part is the backend deciding which dir to save into
[05:14:00] sphery: Yeah. I'm thinking poor-man's config for right now.
[05:15:00] sphery: Manually move things where I want them after recording...
[05:15:00] mchou: haha, just read the news. Shaq is a cop?
[05:15:00] sphery: Let's me use some of the spare GB's on my other 8 computers...
[05:15:00] Chutt: allright
[05:15:00] Chutt: change is in
[05:16:00] Chutt: lemme know if recordings still work =)
[05:16:00] GreyFoxx: compiling now
[05:16:00] sphery: And I just built about 5 hours ago... Going to have to update again. You're way too productive today, Chutt.
[05:16:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[05:16:00] Chutt: yeah, it was my only commit
[05:17:00] Chutt: and took maybe 3 minutes
[05:17:00] Chutt: aside from compiling
[05:17:00] Chutt: but that was only another 3 minutes or so
[05:17:00] sphery: That's one small change for a programmer, one giant leap for Myth kind.
[05:18:00] GreyFoxx: If anything it means we wont have to explain to users that it's a mpeg despite the .nuv extension heh
[05:18:00] sphery: Hooray!
[05:18:00] Krazylegz: Wait, what's this? A .nuv file is an MPEG file? :-)
[05:18:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[05:19:00] Krazylegz: Eventually, we will be able to remove the "Please don't be a dumbass! Dammit!" part of the topic.
[05:19:00] Chutt: heh
[05:19:00] GreyFoxx: never :)
[05:19:00] Chutt: our 'X broke the build!' thingie at work is kinda brain dead
[05:20:00] Chutt: it's blaming me for a build break, but someone else actually did it
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[05:21:00] redfox: does anyone here run gentoo?
[05:21:00] Krazylegz: Possibly.
[05:21:00] redfox: I'm wondering if I need any specific USE flags
[05:21:00] Krazylegz: There's a how-to.
[05:22:00] redfox: alright I'll look it up, thanks
[05:22:00] Krazylegz: Kind of old, but: http://home.comcast.net/~alf_park/mythtv.html .
[05:23:00] redfox: do you know if I need kde and gtk/gtk2?
[05:23:00] redfox: the wiki article thinks I do
[05:24:00] Krazylegz: I don't recall. Let me check.
[05:24:00] redfox: ok thanks
[05:24:00] Krazylegz: No, doesn't look like it to me.
[05:25:00] redfox: ok thanks for your help
[05:25:00] fatmatt: arrggh, half the dependencies for mythtv in debian unstable seem to be cauding me issues
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[05:26:00] fatmatt: i knew I should have done that upgrade
[05:30:00] fatmatt: *shouldn't
[05:33:00] Krazylegz: xris: Hurry up and finish that new MythWeb API.
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[05:45:00] Criggie: the pinnacle PCTV is a framegrabber isn't it? no on-board mpeg2 compressor
[05:45:00] GreyFoxx: Right
[05:48:00] Criggie: cheers
[05:48:00] de-v-: hrm, where do you enable jitter reduction? cant seem to find it in the setup heh
[05:49:00] Criggie: I'm thinking of the hauppauge pvr 150 at $250 NZ – good card?
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[05:51:00] GreyFoxx: Criggie: I don't have any 150's but if they are anything like the 250's then I wouldn't consider using a regular framegrabber. But I wouldn't know if that's a good price or not :)
[05:51:00] redfox: Criggie, I just got one from newegg for 66
[05:51:00] redfox: but that is USD
[05:52:00] Criggie: yeah – a pvr 500 is $500 NZ here
[05:52:00] Criggie: the MCE version of the 150 is only $177
[05:52:00] sphery: Maybe that's where they got the name of the PVR-500.
[05:52:00] Criggie: but the wife wants the option of using it on her windows box :-\
[05:52:00] mchou: Criggie: what the exchange rate NZ to US? :)
[05:52:00] sphery: Guess they rouned for the PVR-150.
[05:53:00] Criggie: mchou: crap :) tech gear here is expensive, but buying overseas is as expensive in freight and import tax and warranty problems
[05:53:00] mchou: Criggie: I wouldnt pay more than $60 US for pvr150......
[05:54:00] mchou: and not more than US$140 for pvr500
[05:55:00] mchou: but it's all relative :)
[05:55:00] mchou: You dont get DVB programming in NZ?
[05:57:00] mchou: also is NZ PAL or NTSC?
[05:57:00] WAR_CH|LD: i'm having some serious issues with this pvr 500.
[05:57:00] WAR_CH|LD: it just locks up when I try to watch tv
[05:57:00] mchou: WAR_CH|LD: use a driver that works then
[05:57:00] thechris: ok, i've gotten my pvr 500mce to work finally
[05:57:00] WAR_CH|LD: err I get is "timed out waiting for free video buffers"
[05:58:00] WAR_CH|LD: NZ is pal, just AU
[05:58:00] thechris: how are you attempting to record?
[05:58:00] thechris: in myth, or cli, or what?
[05:58:00] WAR_CH|LD: in myth
[05:58:00] WAR_CH|LD: that other stuff we checked all looks good
[05:58:00] mchou: Criggie: I can ship you a PAL card if you pay freight :)
[05:59:00] thechris: WAR_CH|LD: well, i hadn't finished just yet
[05:59:00] mchou: Criggie: from US to NZ
[05:59:00] thechris: have you tried ptune.pl
[05:59:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, I get static
[05:59:00] thechris: that is not good.
[05:59:00] thechris: you should be able to get a video
[06:00:00] mchou: WAR_CH|LD: like I said use a driver that works
[06:00:00] thechris: have you tried 0.3.8?
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[06:01:00] WAR_CH|LD: I assumed ptune.pl didn't work, becuase it din't have aussie frequencies
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[06:01:00] thechris: WAR_CH|LD: it should
[06:01:00] thechris: --freqtable
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[06:02:00] thechris: ptune.pl --input /dev/video0 --tuner-num 0 --freqtable pal-australia -c 8
[06:05:00] WAR_CH|LD: now cat some of that to file?
[06:05:00] thechris: yeah
[06:05:00] WAR_CH|LD: there is no FTA #8 in AU thou. btw. :)
[06:05:00] WAR_CH|LD: also, btw I have nfi about tv.
[06:05:00] thechris: oh
[06:05:00] WAR_CH|LD: so n00b status is huge
[06:05:00] thechris: well, choose your favoite channel
[06:06:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, we go 10,9,7,31,abc and sbs
[06:07:00] WAR_CH|LD: awesome! I just recorded some opra! :)
[06:07:00] thechris: and no crashing?
[06:07:00] WAR_CH|LD: OMG her hair is ridiculous
[06:07:00] WAR_CH|LD: no crashing
[06:07:00] thechris: ok, now try the same command only switch to /dev/video1
[06:07:00] WAR_CH|LD: so that's promising?
[06:07:00] thechris: it seems that way
[06:08:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, for video one, do I need to plug in the other tuner/header thingie
[06:08:00] WAR_CH|LD: or, I can leave it plugged in the same place
[06:08:00] geoff_: saame place
[06:08:00] WAR_CH|LD: looks like I can leave it
[06:08:00] WAR_CH|LD: and that works too
[06:09:00] thechris: ok, this is good.
[06:09:00] WAR_CH|LD: audio is good too
[06:10:00] thechris: now we can partially rule out driver issues and concentrate on mythtv issues
[06:10:00] thechris: what capature devices do you have in mythsetup?
[06:10:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah.
[06:11:00] geoff_: and do you have them set as mpeg 2?
[06:11:00] WAR_CH|LD: I just entering setup now, I have them set at teh mpeg2
[06:11:00] WAR_CH|LD: I have video0/tuner 0 and then video1/tuner0
[06:12:00] thechris: these are good.
[06:12:00] thechris: now for video sources. i assume you have one?
[06:12:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, let me tell you what this box will be for. give you an idea what i'm doing.
[06:13:00] WAR_CH|LD: I actually have 2x pvr500.. only one in this box atm
[06:13:00] WAR_CH|LD: the goal is too get 4 in here and recoard 8 tv channels at once for production reasons.
[06:13:00] WAR_CH|LD: but, for the purposes of here and now.
[06:14:00] WAR_CH|LD: I will have one tuner input and another a/v input
[06:14:00] thechris: 8 tv channels
[06:14:00] thechris: what CPU do you have?
[06:14:00] WAR_CH|LD: just a 2800sempron atm.
[06:14:00] WAR_CH|LD: remember this is not production box. this is test box. :)
[06:14:00] thechris: on my athlon 3200+, that would push it easily to 90%
[06:15:00] Chutt: why would it push it to 90%?
[06:15:00] thechris: also, i'm pretty sure you'll eat the PCI bus
[06:15:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, i've had the same thoughts man.
[06:15:00] WAR_CH|LD: hence we are going to scale.
[06:15:00] Chutt: it'll be fine
[06:15:00] WAR_CH|LD: try with one, try with two
[06:15:00] WAR_CH|LD: see how we go
[06:15:00] Chutt: you could do that with less hardware, easily.
[06:15:00] thechris: recording 1 channel — ivtv uses sys 6.5%
[06:15:00] Chutt: then you've got something broken.
[06:15:00] thechris: 2 channels = 13%
[06:15:00] Chutt: or have debugging turned _way_ up
[06:15:00] thechris: maybe
[06:16:00] GreyFoxx: I record 3 at a time and use MAYBE 2%
[06:16:00] WAR_CH|LD: anyway, this is off topic.. how cna i get myth to work now?
[06:16:00] thechris: still, the IO requirements and well, PCI bus utilization may be too high
[06:16:00] thechris: ok, lets talk input connections
[06:16:00] Chutt: playing back video uses more io bandwidth
[06:16:00] geoff_: I have a celeron 450 and ivtv shows as .1% in top
[06:16:00] geoff_: recording 2 chans
[06:17:00] thechris: hmm. i'll have to look into that
[06:17:00] thechris: maybe i do have debugging on
[06:17:00] Chutt: it's 4.5MB/sec, for 8 streams.
[06:17:00] WAR_CH|LD: I have the video sources all setup.
[06:17:00] thechris: hmm, thats not too bad actually
[06:17:00] WAR_CH|LD: did that yesterday
[06:17:00] thechris: WAR_CH|LD: what of input connections
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[06:18:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, iput connections. I set video0,svidio0 and 1, composite 0 and 1, and tuner 0 and 1. I figured if it didn't need it, it would just ignoreit
[06:18:00] WAR_CH|LD: and then I did the same for video1
[06:19:00] thechris: i've set mine for only tuner0
[06:19:00] thechris: for each vidoe input
[06:19:00] thechris: though i can't watch tv on vid1-tun0
[06:19:00] thechris: i can record though
[06:19:00] thechris: mythtv is bizzar that way
[06:20:00] WAR_CH|LD: well, this box will only be for recording. :) so watching isn't much of a deal. as long as it can be programmed and recorded it's sweet
[06:20:00] geoff_: I set vod0/tune0 aand vid0/tune1 and it seems to work
[06:20:00] geoff_: vid 1
[06:20:00] geoff_: on the second
[06:21:00] Chutt: only set what you actually have connected
[06:21:00] thechris: vid1 – tun1 on mine didn't work
[06:21:00] geoff_: hmm
[06:21:00] thechris: geoff_: do you have ptune.pl?
[06:21:00] geoff_: yes
[06:21:00] thechris: if so, does ptune.pl --tuner-num 1
[06:21:00] thechris: work?
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[06:22:00] WAR_CH|LD: Chutt, so you think I should unset what isn't connected?
[06:22:00] Chutt: if you want things to record, i think you'd want to
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[06:22:00] Chutt: since you've basically lied to it
[06:22:00] geoff_: let me check
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[06:23:00] thechris: i want to move to AU... you've got enough good shows to necessitate 8 tv-tuners?!
[06:23:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, video0 is set to tuner 0.... on my aus tv
[06:23:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, Chutt done.
[06:23:00] WAR_CH|LD: hehe, we are recording sport.
[06:24:00] thechris: oh
[06:25:00] geoff_: thechris: I get some missing perl module
[06:25:00] WAR_CH|LD: anyway, anything else to check or try? or should I give it a whirl?
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[06:25:00] thechris: geoff_: on mine it says "failed"
[06:25:00] thechris: WAR_CH|LD: i guess give it a whirl
[06:25:00] geoff_: thechris: I don't even get that faar
[06:26:00] geoff_: thechris: I need to figure the missing module
[06:26:00] thechris: alternatively you could install apache2, mod_php, and mythweb
[06:26:00] thechris: geoff_: yeah, ptune.pl is nice
[06:26:00] geoff_: thechris: really, I haave never used it
[06:26:00] Krazylegz: What's the name of that nice program that gives you information about mpeg files?
[06:27:00] thechris: man, this dual tuner is gonna work out great tomorrow
[06:27:00] geoff_: did you just get it set up?
[06:27:00] thechris: simultaneous star trek and night visions marathons
[06:27:00] WAR_CH|LD: thechris I am getting "error getting inputs for the capture card. perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your cards inputs?"
[06:27:00] geoff_: you need to change permissions
[06:28:00] WAR_CH|LD: permissions, I wasn't getting this earlier
[06:28:00] geoff_: hm
[06:28:00] WAR_CH|LD: means I have not bound something right.
[06:28:00] thechris: WAR_CH|LD: mythuser is in group "video" correct?
[06:28:00] geoff_: yes
[06:28:00] geoff_: oh nm
[06:28:00] geoff_: i'm tired
[06:28:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, fixed it
[06:28:00] thechris: heh, good yours works too
[06:29:00] thechris: now everyone is happy
[06:29:00] thechris: this means somethings about to break
[06:29:00] geoff_: shhh
[06:29:00] thechris: today i recorded 4 hours of ch4 soap operas...
[06:29:00] thechris: because mythtv wouldn't change the channel of the tuner
[06:29:00] geoff_: ouch
[06:30:00] thechris: last week 8 hours of video without audio...
[06:30:00] WAR_CH|LD: just jump straight into watching tv thechris?
[06:30:00] geoff_: what version ivtv?
[06:30:00] thechris: WAR_CH|LD: might as well
[06:30:00] thechris: geoff 0.3.7k and 0.3.8
[06:30:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, same thing. :(
[06:30:00] thechris: WAR_CH|LD: eventually you'll want to set up apache2, mod_php, and mythweb
[06:30:00] WAR_CH|LD: I get some audio, nothing on the screen
[06:30:00] WAR_CH|LD: and then box locks up
[06:30:00] geoff_: I had audio problems before.... They were solved by cold reboot
[06:30:00] thechris: geoff_: no such luck
[06:31:00] thechris: geoff_: i replaced the mobo
[06:31:00] geoff_: heh, that is one solution I guess
[06:31:00] thechris: well of a different computer that was supposed to be the PVR in the first place...
[06:31:00] thechris: WAR_CH|LD: try setting up a recording and see if you can watch that?
[06:32:00] geoff_: I had to downgrade recently and I had to reduce quality to be able to play :(
[06:32:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, how do I setup recording?
[06:32:00] thechris: also, can you play mpegs on your computer
[06:32:00] thechris: i can't
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[06:32:00] thechris: WAR_CH|LD: well, there is a manage recordings section in mythfrontend, but i suggest mythweb on apache2
[06:32:00] SlicerDicer-: if I moved my database from being on the backend to a dedicated box would it speed up mythweb?
[06:33:00] SlicerDicer-: or has anybody had experience with that
[06:33:00] geoff_: try increasing the buffers in mysql
[06:33:00] geoff_: i haad some speedup that way
[06:33:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, i'll just try the mythfrontend for now
[06:33:00] WAR_CH|LD: to test and see if it works
[06:33:00] WAR_CH|LD: let me reboot. :)
[06:33:00] SlicerDicer-: geoff_, how much of a speedup did you get?
[06:34:00] SlicerDicer-: geoff_, do you need more ram to do that without issues?
[06:34:00] SlicerDicer-: I mean I was planning on putting the database on a 2700+ AMD with 1gb ram shortly
[06:34:00] SlicerDicer-: I am going to turn that system into a frontend and was thinking of making the backend on its own and having one of the frontends run the database :)
[06:35:00] geoff_: I increased from 16M to 32M and it seemed twice as fast
[06:35:00] SlicerDicer-: where did you specifiy that?
[06:36:00] geoff_: SlicerDicer: Make sure you are not thrashing
[06:36:00] geoff_: /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[06:36:00] geoff_: Also, you could try increasing the num of apache servers / threads, but I haave not tried that
[06:37:00] SlicerDicer-: ok
[06:37:00] SlicerDicer-: I am thinking of building mysql static
[06:37:00] geoff_: SlicerDicer: also there is a script in contrib to optimize the databaase
[06:37:00] geoff_: didn't seem to help her though
[06:38:00] SlicerDicer-: hmm
[06:38:00] geoff_: I don't know, that is a pretty fast machine
[06:38:00] geoff_: I just think being remote would slow it down
[06:39:00] geoff_: but I have not tried
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[06:39:00] geoff_: I get acceptible performance out of mythweb on my celeron 450 with 192mb while the gf is watching and two channels recording
[06:39:00] SlicerDicer-: geoff_, does it help to throw compression on?
[06:39:00] geoff_: sorry for bad sp
[06:40:00] geoff_: in apache?
[06:40:00] SlicerDicer-: php
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[06:40:00] geoff_: I don't kne
[06:40:00] geoff_: know
[06:40:00] geoff_: I messed with the php mem a while back too
[06:40:00] geoff_: but I can't remember
[06:41:00] WAR_CH|LD: I think my system time is totally out
[06:41:00] WAR_CH|LD: so it wont record now, things now is later or before or something
[06:41:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah geoff_ I am just trying to figure out how to speed it up hehe
[06:41:00] geoff_: check the time zone
[06:42:00] geoff_: record less ;)
[06:42:00] WAR_CH|LD: how do I check the timezone?
[06:42:00] SlicerDicer-: geoff_, it locks my browser too thats another thing that I am wondering about
[06:42:00] geoff_: I only know debian
[06:42:00] geoff_: what browser?
[06:43:00] geoff_: tzconfig on debian
[06:43:00] SlicerDicer-: firefox
[06:43:00] geoff_: hmm
[06:43:00] geoff_: showing all those images takes a lot of mem
[06:43:00] geoff_: mine spins a little
[06:44:00] WAR_CH|LD: wait
[06:44:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh I got a shit ton of memory and horsepower on this system hehe
[06:44:00] WAR_CH|LD: i've sorted it
[06:44:00] SlicerDicer-: 1000% more than the backend lol
[06:44:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, I know debain too.. i'm using suse here
[06:44:00] WAR_CH|LD: for something different
[06:44:00] geoff_: you know there are some modules for apache to precompile php
[06:44:00] geoff_: and accel it
[06:44:00] geoff_: there is a file
[06:44:00] geoff_: let me figure it
[06:45:00] thechris: using gentoo here
[06:45:00] SlicerDicer-: 10 seconds it takes to do the query and show it all in the browser how slow is yours geoff_?
[06:45:00] geoff_: WAR_CH|LD: ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC /etc/localtime
[06:46:00] geoff_: WAR_CH|LD: replace UTC
[06:46:00] geoff_: SlicerDicer-: for rec_programs?
[06:46:00] geoff_: 20
[06:46:00] geoff_: but celeron 450 ;)
[06:47:00] geoff_: 300 g of recordings
[06:47:00] geoff_: much faster the second or third time
[06:47:00] SlicerDicer-: no for program listing geoff_
[06:47:00] geoff_: hmmm
[06:47:00] geoff_: let me check
[06:47:00] SlicerDicer-: that lists 900 channels for me haha
[06:47:00] geoff_: I don't use that very often
[06:47:00] geoff_: I only have 60 :(
[06:47:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah mine lists a shit ton of channels
[06:48:00] SlicerDicer-: I am trying to speed that up
[06:48:00] SlicerDicer-: everyting else is quicksticks
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[06:48:00] geoff_: SlicerDicer-: Ummm
[06:48:00] geoff_: not loading
[06:48:00] geoff_: gf is watching
[06:49:00] geoff_: and commflaging
[06:49:00] geoff_: load average is 7.6
[06:49:00] geoff_: ouch
[06:49:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[06:49:00] geoff_: about 29 secs
[06:49:00] sozto: anyone here using mplex on Gentoo?
[06:50:00] geoff_: heh http://10.0.1.6/phpsysinfo/
[06:50:00] geoff_: oops
[06:50:00] geoff_: http://wireless.kicks-ass.org/phpsysinfo/
[06:51:00] SlicerDicer-: hmm
[06:52:00] SlicerDicer-: I run a 1.4ghz AMD and 512mb DDR400 ram on my backend
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[06:52:00] geoff_: I'm surprised mime works at all
[06:53:00] geoff_: xvmc is key
[06:53:00] geoff_: plus I have mac frontends
[06:53:00] geoff_: I like those better
[06:53:00] geoff_: wireless tv
[06:53:00] geoff_: who ever thought of that?
[06:53:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[06:53:00] SlicerDicer-: same nvidia card!
[06:53:00] SlicerDicer-: hey hey!
[06:54:00] geoff_: I used to have a c3 800... but had to leave it at my paren'ts house
[06:54:00] SlicerDicer-: geoff_, I am thinking of doing mac mini frontends eventually hehe
[06:54:00] geoff_: not enough room in the car
[06:54:00] geoff_: me too
[06:54:00] geoff_: when I have the $$
[06:54:00] geoff_: small, silent
[06:54:00] SlicerDicer-: yep
[06:54:00] geoff_: just need to figure the remote
[06:54:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah
[06:55:00] SlicerDicer-: thats the clencher I guess
[06:55:00] Skif_: Is there something I can do about getting all these 500 service errors from labs.zap2it.com?
[06:55:00] SlicerDicer-: Skif_, errm.... errors?
[06:56:00] Skif_: SlicerDicer, every time I run mythfilldatabase, I get "500 service error"
[06:57:00] Skif_: hang on a sec, I'll pastebin the output
[06:57:00] geoff_: SlicerDicer: do you have a mac now?
[06:57:00] WAR_CH|LD: w00t, here is a positive. .I ahve something recording. :)
[06:57:00] WAR_CH|LD: lol
[06:57:00] Skif_: http://pastebin.com/363241
[06:57:00] geoff_: WAR_CH|LD: got the timefigured?
[06:57:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, time is figured
[06:57:00] WAR_CH|LD: just had to use my brain
[06:58:00] geoff_: I use ntp because my clock looses time
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[06:58:00] geoff_: so have to keep it in sync
[06:59:00] WAR_CH|LD: I think I have some issues here, in the couple of mines I have been recording. alreadying using 100mb of hdd
[06:59:00] WAR_CH|LD: have to check that out
[07:00:00] Skif_: I figure if it was once or twice, no big deal, but it's been like 3–4 days.
[07:00:00] WAR_CH|LD: but, there is 50gb on this partition
[07:00:00] WAR_CH|LD: I gotta go now, so bbl
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[07:05:00] k-man__: hello
[07:06:00] k-man__: how well does the shutdown and start up stuff work in mythtv?
[07:06:00] geoff_: I have never been able to get it to work
[07:06:00] k-man__: i mean to shutdown the mythtv box when its not being used and restart it when its required
[07:06:00] k-man__: hmm
[07:06:00] k-man__: thats interesting
[07:06:00] geoff_: but mostly because I have problems with nv-wakeup
[07:07:00] geoff_: I want to try the wol method
[07:07:00] k-man__: whats nv-wakeup?
[07:07:00] geoff_: but I have no second box
[07:07:00] k-man__: oh
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[07:07:00] k-man__: wol
[07:07:00] geoff_: bios wakeup
[07:07:00] mchou: don't use nv-wakeup. Not reliable
[07:07:00] k-man__: i only have one box too
[07:07:00] mchou: WOL works well
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[07:07:00] mchou: well, that's too bd
[07:07:00] mchou: bad*
[07:07:00] geoff_: how hard is it to set up?
[07:07:00] geoff_: I have a linux router
[07:07:00] mchou: not hard at all
[07:08:00] geoff_: wonder if I could use that
[07:08:00] geoff_: how do you know if your mb supports wol?
[07:08:00] mchou: geoff_: probably, if your router keeps time or has ntp client :)
[07:08:00] geoff_: hmmm
[07:08:00] geoff_: it is embedded linux
[07:09:00] mchou: only way to tell is try it.
[07:09:00] geoff_: so the mb on the backend has to support it though right?
[07:09:00] mchou: the other altenative is if machine in on standby, eth port should still be lit.....
[07:09:00] mchou: yup
[07:09:00] geoff_: hmm
[07:09:00] geoff_: I'll have to try it
[07:09:00] geoff_: this is a really lod mb
[07:09:00] geoff_: old**
[07:10:00] geoff_: used to have a pII 266
[07:10:00] mchou: does it have an integrated eth port?
[07:10:00] geoff_: no
[07:10:00] geoff_: pci
[07:10:00] geoff_: intel
[07:10:00] mchou: forget about it then :)
[07:10:00] geoff_: really?
[07:10:00] geoff_: suck
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[07:11:00] geoff_: some mbs have a wol clnnector
[07:11:00] geoff_: connector
[07:11:00] mchou: I kind of doubt if wol is supported on a p2 266 vintage.....
[07:11:00] geoff_: I'm ot sure about mine
[07:11:00] geoff_: lol
[07:11:00] geoff_: tnx
[07:11:00] geoff_: it haas been upgraded a bit
[07:11:00] geoff_: any other options?
[07:11:00] mchou: check for a wol connector
[07:12:00] geoff_: k
[07:12:00] mchou: even presence of wol connector does not mean wol will be supported, however.
[07:12:00] geoff_: no kidding
[07:12:00] geoff_: the gf is watching... can't check :(
[07:12:00] mchou: no joke
[07:13:00] geoff_: does myth shutdown if frontend is running but not playing?
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[07:13:00] mchou: beats me.
[07:14:00] mchou: probably.
[07:14:00] geoff_: do you use the shutdown?
[07:14:00] geoff_: and you exit the frontend?
[07:14:00] mchou: I used to use shutdown.
[07:14:00] mchou: but I now use a quiet machine.
[07:15:00] geoff_: nice
[07:15:00] mchou: no need to shutdown any more.
[07:15:00] geoff_: need to finish school
[07:15:00] geoff_: then I'll have some $$
[07:15:00] geoff_: maybe
[07:15:00] mchou: you dont need money
[07:15:00] mchou: you need a quiet P2 is all :)
[07:15:00] geoff_: hmm
[07:16:00] geoff_: the celeron I have runs < 34C
[07:16:00] geoff_: can I just pull the fans?
[07:16:00] mchou: probably get one for <$60 surplus.....
[07:16:00] geoff_: I spent too much on the pvr 500
[07:16:00] geoff_: $10 is out of my budget for now
[07:17:00] mchou: how about $5? :)
[07:17:00] geoff_: I could swing that5
[07:17:00] geoff_: :P
[07:17:00] mchou: what speed is the cpu now?
[07:17:00] geoff_: 466
[07:17:00] mchou: that should be quiet.
[07:18:00] mchou: I have a 450. Cant hear that at all.
[07:18:00] geoff_: big fans on power supply and heat sync
[07:18:00] geoff_: how is your performance?
[07:18:00] mchou: need to check led to see if it's on :)
[07:18:00] geoff_: hd noise?
[07:18:00] mchou: nope
[07:19:00] geoff_: 466 seems aa little slow 4 me
[07:19:00] mchou: I've got like 6 drives in there too.
[07:19:00] geoff_: 60 + %
[07:19:00] geoff_: for plaaybaack
[07:19:00] mchou: I dont use mine for playback at all. Strictly backend.
[07:19:00] geoff_: oh
[07:20:00] geoff_: mine is both
[07:20:00] mchou: lol.
[07:20:00] geoff_: yeah
[07:20:00] geoff_: budget sucks
[07:20:00] mchou: I'd think 466 is way marginal for that.
[07:20:00] geoff_: but I do haave a mac frontend too
[07:20:00] geoff_: yes it is
[07:20:00] geoff_: but it works
[07:20:00] geoff_: commflags really well
[07:21:00] mchou: geoff_: where you go to school? PSU or OSU?
[07:21:00] geoff_: The ultimate 4 me would be backend in the basement and a mac mini frontend
[07:21:00] geoff_: willamette
[07:21:00] mchou: lol
[07:21:00] geoff_: how did you know or?
[07:22:00] mchou: I lived in OR
[07:22:00] mchou: that's a backwards state
[07:22:00] geoff_: but how did you know I am there?
[07:22:00] geoff_: yes, yes it is
[07:22:00] mchou: a whois tells all
[07:22:00] geoff_: i see
[07:22:00] geoff_: not sure how to do that
[07:22:00] geoff_: I'm not goor with irc
[07:23:00] mchou: undergrad or law school?
[07:23:00] geoff_: undergrad
[07:23:00] geoff_: until december
[07:23:00] mchou: bah.
[07:23:00] geoff_: yeah I know
[07:23:00] geoff_: I am a 5th year senior
[07:23:00] mchou: lol
[07:23:00] mchou: a williamette??
[07:24:00] mchou: lol
[07:24:00] geoff_: yes
[07:24:00] geoff_: salem is the pitts
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[07:24:00] mchou: you must be a retard :)
[07:24:00] geoff_: and I don't know if you have ever priced willamette
[07:24:00] geoff_: no, just a transfer from ASU
[07:24:00] geoff_: they screw transfers
[07:24:00] mchou: Arizona?
[07:24:00] geoff_: so I guess maybe you aare right
[07:24:00] geoff_: yes
[07:25:00] mchou: lol, ASU is a much better school
[07:25:00] geoff_: mmmm
[07:25:00] geoff_: i like having 6 in a class
[07:25:00] geoff_: instead of 600
[07:25:00] mchou: geoff_: that accounts for the price.
[07:25:00] geoff_: lol
[07:26:00] geoff_: Plusa I end up with a BA in CS instead of a BS
[07:26:00] geoff_: wtf?
[07:26:00] mchou: I dont know why you didnt transfer to Reed College.....
[07:26:00] geoff_: uh
[07:26:00] xris: geoff_: as in OR? my sister went there
[07:27:00] mchou: At least Reed is top tier
[07:27:00] mchou: your sister is smarter :)
[07:27:00] xris: mchou: reed is way too stressy
[07:27:00] geoff_: WU is pretty well respected
[07:27:00] xris: and my sister went to willammette.
[07:27:00] xris: or however it's spelled. heh.
[07:27:00] geoff_: xris; really? Small workd
[07:27:00] geoff_: world
[07:27:00] xris: geoff_: apparently
[07:28:00] mchou: reed aint stressy. It's got renfair :)
[07:28:00] xris: mchou: my sister did prefrosh weekends at both schools. said the students at reed were way too stressed out, worried about performance (for lack of grades visible to the students), etc.
[07:28:00] geoff_: I'm happy with willamette, just ready to be done
[07:28:00] xris: WAY too much drug use (this from friends who went there), etc.
[07:28:00] mchou: bah.
[07:28:00] xris: mchou: most places have ren faire.
[07:28:00] xris: or SCA (which is better)
[07:29:00] xris: mchou: so, eaten any moon cakes lately?
[07:29:00] mchou: reed is a much better school than williamette
[07:29:00] xris: mchou: depends on what you want to do with your life.
[07:29:00] geoff_: spendier too
[07:29:00] mchou: xris: nope, not really. trying to lose weight
[07:29:00] xris: my sister is an elementary school teacher.. wouldn't have made a diff.
[07:29:00] xris: mchou: our vendors have started sending them to us.. got 2 boxes today.
[07:29:00] mchou: xris: well, maybe that's true.
[07:30:00] xris: my boss likes the traditional egg ones.
[07:30:00] mchou: xris: send some over :)
[07:30:00] mchou: no egg for me pls. only red bean :)
[07:30:00] xris: not a fan of bean paste.
[07:30:00] xris: had a good green tea one, though.
[07:30:00] mchou: so send it over, heh :)
[07:31:00] geoff_: wtf is a moon cake?
[07:31:00] mchou: hehe\
[07:31:00] xris: man, wikipedia is slow these days
[07:31:00] xris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_cake
[07:31:00] mchou: Chinese Lunar New Year treat
[07:31:00] geoff_: they don't teach us that aat willamette
[07:31:00] mchou: hehe
[07:31:00] xris: aka mid-autumn festival
[07:31:00] mchou: parochial oregonians dont know shit.
[07:32:00] xris: mchou: neither would I if we didn't deal so much with taiwanese vendors.
[07:32:00] mchou: same applies to Washington :)
[07:32:00] mchou: just less so.
[07:32:00] geoff_: just because I go to willamette does not mean I am parochial
[07:32:00] geoff_: ;)
[07:32:00] xris: actually, my grocery store had a whole aisle endcap dedicated to them lsat time I went.
[07:33:00] xris: s/lsat/last/
[07:33:00] geoff_: they look cool
[07:33:00] mchou: geoff_: lol, you live in salem. That's enough :)
[07:33:00] thechris: AHHHH
[07:33:00] xris: mchou: all 15 minutes from portland
[07:33:00] thechris: never reboot
[07:33:00] geoff_: heh
[07:33:00] thechris: ok. wtf is wrong here
[07:33:00] thechris: everything works
[07:33:00] mchou: xris: what's 15 min from portland?
[07:33:00] thechris: then reboot
[07:33:00] xris: geoff_: they're not bad if you like asian sweets... imho a little too dense.
[07:33:00] geoff_: I'm leaving as soon as I am done with school
[07:33:00] xris: mchou: salem
[07:33:00] geoff_: I can't wait to get out
[07:34:00] mchou: hell, salem is more than 15 min.
[07:34:00] geoff_: portland isa way cooler though
[07:34:00] thechris: now myth records both tuners on the same channel, but doens't change channel.
[07:34:00] geoff_: 45
[07:34:00] xris: geoff_: really? seemed faster than that last time I drove down that way.
[07:34:00] mchou: geoff_: yeah, that's more like it.
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[07:34:00] geoff_: except satupid orgonians drive 55 in the 65
[07:34:00] thechris: how do i stop something that is currently recording?
[07:35:00] mchou: geoff_: lol, that doesnt make it 3x faster :)
[07:35:00] geoff_: lol
[07:35:00] geoff_: you would be surprised
[07:35:00] xris: mchou: well, consider me wrong on that bit, then.
[07:35:00] geoff_: hell, you could always take the train
[07:36:00] mchou: the train?
[07:36:00] mchou: like as in amtrak?
[07:36:00] xris: yeah, my sister did that a lot. up to seattle/tacoma, too.
[07:36:00] mchou: how long does that take?
[07:37:00] xris: 3–4 hours, I think. can't remember. depends on stop.
[07:37:00] xris: stops
[07:37:00] mchou: 3 hrs is not too bad to seatac.
[07:37:00] geoff_: something like thaat
[07:37:00] xris: apparently a nice ride, too.
[07:37:00] geoff_: 4–5 by car
[07:37:00] xris: not to seatac, though.
[07:38:00] xris: no passenger train station near there that I know of
[07:38:00] xris: geoff_: from salem to seattle, maybe.
[07:38:00] mchou: xris: whwn I say seatac I dont mean the airport :)
[07:38:00] mchou: when*
[07:38:00] xris: mchou: well, the airport is in the middle of the city of seatac
[07:39:00] xris: so either way....
[07:39:00] geoff_: mchou: figured out the whois
[07:39:00] geoff_: you in ca?
[07:39:00] mchou: geoff_: yup.
[07:39:00] geoff_: where about?
[07:40:00] mchou: Silicon Valley
[07:40:00] geoff_: hmm
[07:40:00] geoff_: I'm hoping to get a job in ncal
[07:40:00] geoff_: in december
[07:40:00] mchou: lol. Dont come here
[07:40:00] xris: heh
[07:40:00] mchou: job market is depressed
[07:40:00] geoff_: suck
[07:41:00] xris: mchou: only because of the giant sucking sound from the direction of google.
[07:41:00] mchou: plenty of empty buildings from the dot com bust
[07:41:00] geoff_: any skiing?
[07:41:00] ** xris is (still) hoping to hire someone in the next couple of weeks. **
[07:41:00] geoff_: i could be a lift op
[07:41:00] mchou: geoff_: if you go to tahoe, sure.
[07:42:00] mchou: meaning the area :)
[07:42:00] geoff_: good use of a ba degree
[07:42:00] mchou: geoff_: go work for xris
[07:42:00] geoff_: what does xris do?
[07:42:00] xris: geoff_: siliconmechanics.com
[07:42:00] xris: php/sql/perl
[07:42:00] mchou: he is a silly system integrator
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[07:42:00] mchou: j/k
[07:42:00] geoff_: sure
[07:43:00] xris: they don't let me integrate systems anymore... heh.
[07:43:00] geoff_: but he is hiring
[07:43:00] geoff_: me
[07:43:00] geoff_: ;P
[07:43:00] mchou: After living in Salem Seatac isnt much of an improvement :)
[07:43:00] thechris: mythtv command — stop recording. does one exist?
[07:43:00] xris: geoff_: hey, I hired one guy from this channel.
[07:43:00] geoff_: no joke
[07:43:00] xris: thechris: yes, but I don't know what it is
[07:43:00] ** xris pokes kormoc **
[07:43:00] Atamido: The power went out and now I get no audio from my PVR-500.  :(
[07:44:00] geoff_: and you're in seatac?
[07:44:00] xris: geoff_: south seattle
[07:44:00] geoff_: hmm
[07:44:00] Atamido: I tried rebooting, but I still have no audio on it.
[07:44:00] geoff_: Atamido: do a cold boot
[07:44:00] Atamido: Recording that existed previously are fine.
[07:44:00] mchou: geoff_: go there and commit suicide :)
[07:44:00] geoff_: unplug for > 5 mins
[07:44:00] geoff_: heh
[07:44:00] geoff_: no kidding
[07:44:00] geoff_: stupid rain
[07:44:00] Atamido: geoff_: I did. Unplugged the powercord and everything.
[07:44:00] geoff_: seatac is waay better then salem though
[07:45:00] Atamido: Hmmm... I only did it for 30 sec.
[07:45:00] mchou: geoff_: that's really not saying much :)
[07:45:00] thechris: ok, this is a mythtv issue not an ivtv issue like everyone seems to think.
[07:45:00] xris: geoff_: seattle is better... or renton, or pretty much any other area around here. airport is too noisy.
[07:45:00] geoff_: I live next to the train tracks in Salem
[07:45:00] geoff_: its hard not to
[07:45:00] mchou: lol
[07:46:00] geoff_: xris; too bad you need someone in a couple weeks
[07:46:00] xris: yeah, I remember that
[07:46:00] xris: geoff_: yup
[07:46:00] geoff_: I'l be done in dec
[07:46:00] geoff_: rats
[07:46:00] xris: needed someone THIS week, but the guy didn't take my offer.
[07:46:00] geoff_: ouch
[07:47:00] xris: too many overqualified people, too many people who THINK they're overqualified
[07:47:00] xris: too many companies willing to pay underqualified people more than they're worth.
[07:47:00] geoff_: well the gf (fiancee) likes the nw
[07:47:00] geoff_: but I want out
[07:47:00] xris: geoff_: too bad. I love it here.
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[07:47:00] mchou: geoff_: go to Sna Diego.
[07:47:00] mchou: San*
[07:47:00] geoff_: yeah, some people do, I just don't get it
[07:48:00] mchou: it's booming there
[07:48:00] geoff_: really
[07:48:00] geoff_: I love socal
[07:48:00] mchou: yup.
[07:48:00] geoff_: have family there
[07:48:00] xris: blech. too many people. too hot/dry
[07:48:00] xris: and WAY too expensive.
[07:48:00] geoff_: yeah, lots of people
[07:48:00] mchou: San Diego is not crowded
[07:48:00] geoff_: but I went from az to here
[07:48:00] mchou: LA is crowded
[07:48:00] geoff_: so I miss dry
[07:48:00] geoff_: my car is growing
[07:49:00] mchou: haha
[07:49:00] xris: mchou: all of socal is too crowded. it's one giant city from TJ to SF
[07:49:00] mchou: lol, you've never driven thru the grapevine then.
[07:49:00] xris: geoff_: had my fill of dry... grew up in the mojave area
[07:49:00] WAR_CH|LD: thechris, I got myth to record, but watching the playback.. it's just static. :\
[07:49:00] mchou: dont see anyone there.
[07:49:00] WAR_CH|LD: if I tried using mythtv to playback thou it would lock up again
[07:49:00] WAR_CH|LD: I am using mplayer to watch this playback
[07:50:00] mchou: nor camp pendleton.
[07:50:00] xris: WAR_CH|LD: what tuner card?
[07:50:00] WAR_CH|LD: PVR500
[07:50:00] geoff_: mchou: you surf?
[07:50:00] WAR_CH|LD: ptune.pl worked great thou
[07:50:00] mchou: geoff_: nope. afraid of the water.
[07:50:00] geoff_: heh
[07:51:00] mchou: I bike, though.
[07:51:00] geoff_: I'm a swimmer, I tried surfing once at old man's beach in san clemente
[07:51:00] mchou: CA cant be beat for biking
[07:51:00] geoff_: I suck at it
[07:51:00] geoff_: I am just getting into the whole bike thing
[07:51:00] geoff_: just got a decent one
[07:51:00] geoff_: road or mountian?
[07:51:00] mchou: both
[07:51:00] geoff_: cool
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[07:52:00] mchou: surfing is good in CA too.
[07:52:00] geoff_: yeah
[07:52:00] xris: WAR_CH|LD: odd
[07:52:00] geoff_: the other option is co
[07:52:00] mchou: but if you windsurf, Columbia river cant be beat :)
[07:52:00] geoff_: that is where I grew u[
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[07:53:00] geoff_: and if you like shitty water, try the willamette
[07:53:00] mchou: haha!
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[07:53:00] mchou: that's just a toxic waste dump.
[07:53:00] geoff_: no kidding
[07:53:00] geoff_: I don't even let my dog swim there
[07:53:00] mchou: word.
[07:53:00] FatDarrel: Long live the willamette
[07:54:00] WAR_CH|LD: xris, haha thanks mate. :\
[07:54:00] geoff_: FatDarrel: you know of it?
[07:54:00] WAR_CH|LD: it is not the card either, I actually have two cards.. tried both with s ame results.
[07:54:00] xris: WAR_CH|LD: so you record, and it thinks it works, but the file is just static?
[07:54:00] xris: did you set the correct frequency table in mythtv-setup?
[07:55:00] WAR_CH|LD: let me get you some urls
[07:56:00] WAR_CH|LD: http://www.onlinetractorparts.com.au/rohbags/xmltvau/
[07:56:00] WAR_CH|LD: used that
[07:56:00] WAR_CH|LD: I am in australia. :)
[07:56:00] mchou: I still cant believe ebay bought skype.
[07:57:00] Agrajag-: for that ridiculous amount
[07:57:00] xris: WAR_CH|LD: should have the frequency table in the popup in mythtv-setup, no?
[07:57:00] mchou: Agrajag-: exactly :)
[07:57:00] geoff_: mchou: I just signed up the day before
[07:57:00] geoff_: strange
[07:57:00] mchou: geoff_: haha
[07:57:00] WAR_CH|LD: xris, you have lost me. explain
[07:57:00] geoff_: bought $10 of skypout or whatever
[07:57:00] Agrajag-: WAR_CH|LD: you should've got dvb if you're in au :P
[07:57:00] WAR_CH|LD: dvb?
[07:57:00] WAR_CH|LD: url?
[07:58:00] Agrajag-: digital tv
[07:58:00] geoff_: mchou: should have spent it on my myth box
[07:58:00] WAR_CH|LD: bah, digital is crap here
[07:58:00] xris: WAR_CH|LD: well, in the US, there's US-BCAST (broadcast) and US-cable... but the list goes on to include tons of other country info.
[07:58:00] mchou: geoff_: hehe
[07:58:00] Agrajag-: WAR_CH|LD: where are you?
[07:58:00] xris: but listen to your fellow aussie on this one.
[07:58:00] WAR_CH|LD: sydney
[07:58:00] Agrajag-: yeah me too.. why's it crap?
[07:58:00] WAR_CH|LD: because it doesn't ahve all the chans
[07:58:00] WAR_CH|LD: and, for this box. it is not necessary
[07:58:00] Agrajag-: it's got plenty!
[07:58:00] Agrajag-: haha
[07:59:00] WAR_CH|LD: anyway, i'm not using digital. due to cost to the client. :)
[07:59:00] WAR_CH|LD: it's outruled, so yeah.
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[08:04:00] WAR_CH|LD: I don't get why ptune.pl/mplayer works np........
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[08:05:00] xris: WAR_CH|LD: because mythtv is probably trying to tune into the american frequency setup?
[08:05:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, where do I change that?
[08:06:00] WAR_CH|LD: is this within mythsetup, or somewhere else?
[08:06:00] geoff_: WAR_CH|LD: on the same page in setup where you tell it what lineup to use
[08:06:00] geoff_: WAR_CH|LD:
[08:06:00] geoff_: WAR_CH|LD: it is a dropdown menu
[08:06:00] xris: it's in mythtv-setup
[08:06:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, i've done all of that.
[08:06:00] xris: but maybe Agrajag- has more info
[08:07:00] xris: I don't know anything about australian setup. everyone I've heard of from there uses dvb
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[08:07:00] WAR_CH|LD: yuck, i'm amased.. digital is relatively new here
[08:07:00] thechris: anyone with a pvr 500 working care to give me the secrets to changing the channel?
[08:08:00] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, I wouldn't mind that one either. :)
[08:08:00] Patater: I've got a PVR150-MCE with tuner type 47, working with audio finally, but I can't change channels from within myth-tv. I can however do it using ivtvctl -r XXX where XXX is the frequency. Any ideas/suggestions on how to fix it?
[08:08:00] geoff_: thechris: does it give any errors?
[08:08:00] thechris: nope
[08:09:00] thechris: just doesnt change channels
[08:09:00] geoff_: what about in dmesg?
[08:09:00] mchou: it's a permission problem
[08:09:00] mchou: read the mythtv docs
[08:09:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, try this.. this is the error mythfrontend gives me "Timed out waiting for free video buffers.
[08:09:00] mchou: and there are error logs
[08:10:00] thechris: hmm...
[08:10:00] thechris: now i'm getting a similar issue
[08:10:00] thechris: Remote encoder not responding.
[08:10:00] mchou: free video buffer is an ivtv driver issue
[08:10:00] WAR_CH|LD: ptune.pl/mplayer works like a charm thou
[08:10:00] thechris: ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/qt/3/include/qvaluelist.h (373)
[08:10:00] Patater: mchou: to me or to thechris?
[08:10:00] mchou: use a driver version that works
[08:11:00] WAR_CH|LD: such as?
[08:11:00] thechris: are there any scripts that just use pltune to record shows. that works
[08:11:00] thechris: mythtv seems to have the issues
[08:11:00] mchou: to all you folks who cant change channel
[08:11:00] Patater: thanks for the help
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[08:11:00] thechris: i can change channels, but mythtv won't change channels before recording
[08:11:00] mchou: kok
[08:11:00] mchou: lol*
[08:11:00] thechris: well, actually now i can't run mythfrontend
[08:12:00] mchou: I told you that's a permission issue
[08:12:00] thechris: from where?!
[08:12:00] geoff_: /dev/video0
[08:12:00] mchou: RTFM
[08:12:00] thechris: i mean htf does this work, then break, then work, then break
[08:12:00] WAR_CH|LD: mchou, what is a version of the driver taht works?
[08:12:00] thechris: i've had the thing working
[08:12:00] thechris: and every reboot something different goes wrong
[08:12:00] mchou: thechris: lol
[08:13:00] mchou: thechris: what distro?
[08:13:00] thechris: gentoo
[08:13:00] mchou: haha
[08:13:00] Agrajag-: hahaha
[08:13:00] mchou: gentoo
[08:13:00] mchou: no wonder.
[08:13:00] thechris: yeah, cause debian didn't wokr
[08:13:00] mchou: pebcak
[08:13:00] geoff_: lol
[08:13:00] geoff_: i believe it is pebkac
[08:13:00] thechris: if apt-get would actually resolve dependencies i would have used it... but nope, it just gave errors about them
[08:14:00] mchou: thechris: wtf, compile from source
[08:14:00] Agrajag-: you weren't using stable were you
[08:14:00] mchou: why you need pkgs?
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[08:14:00] Agrajag-: you really can't complain about dependancy problems with testing or unstable
[08:14:00] Agrajag-: they have those names for a _reason_
[08:15:00] mchou: geoff_: whatever :)
[08:15:00] thechris: well, to be fair, none of the packages i use are in debain's main repository anyways...
[08:15:00] geoff_: thechris: ivtv is the easiest compile ever, no dependancies really
[08:15:00] thechris: yeah, i've got ivtv working
[08:15:00] thechris: i can record from the CLI just fine
[08:15:00] geoff_: and mythis pretty automated these days
[08:15:00] Agrajag-: that too. but anyway with debian compiling from source is extremely easy, as all the deps are available with packages with no problems
[08:15:00] geoff_: are you using svn?
[08:16:00] thechris: mythtv just won't change channels to record!
[08:16:00] Agrajag-: thechris: did you rtfm like mchou said?
[08:16:00] geoff_: night all
[08:16:00] mchou: thechris: how many times I got to tell ya that'a a permission problem?
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[08:17:00] mchou: goddamn crybabay
[08:17:00] mchou: crybaby*
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[08:18:00] thechris: ok, what are you talking about?
[08:18:00] mchou: lol
[08:19:00] thechris: where in the manual?
[08:19:00] joat: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-4.html#devperms
[08:19:00] travolta: bigfoot stole it
[08:19:00] mchou: grep -i permission manual
[08:19:00] joat: except I don't have that file on my system...
[08:19:00] joat: anyone know the equivalent of console.perms for gentoo?
[08:21:00] thechris: access.conf group.conf limits.conf pam_env.conf time.conf < — ls /etc/security
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[08:24:00] travolta: joat, i think gentoo uses udev, so modify the udev rules
[08:25:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, get this.... i'm recording something with mythtv now, and like. the little preview bit in the "media library" works. :\
[08:26:00] WAR_CH|LD: ok, I fullscreened.
[08:26:00] WAR_CH|LD: audio worked, but no video
[08:26:00] WAR_CH|LD: I then tried to alt-tabb and that crashed it. :\
[08:26:00] ** thechris hates udev **
[08:26:00] ** joat knows nothing of udev **
[08:27:00] WAR_CH|LD: hehe, how you going there thechris?
[08:28:00] joat: what is the actual directory I need to change permissions on?
[08:28:00] thechris: trying to figure out a way to get a user to autologin at boot to fix this permission issue
[08:28:00] travolta: permissions for what?
[08:29:00] joat: to be able to change channels
[08:29:00] travolta: is it a permission problem? try it as root
[08:29:00] joat: mchou seems convinced it is
[08:29:00] joat: start the backend as root?
[08:29:00] travolta: whatever you are having problems with
[08:31:00] joat: ok, that works substantially differently but wrong
[08:31:00] mchou: joat: huh??
[08:31:00] joat: when I change channels after starting the backend as /etc/init.d/mythbackend start, then up/down goes black for a few seconds then returns to the main myth menu
[08:31:00] mchou: lol
[08:32:00] joat: if I start the backend as root, it pops up the little menu bar and seems to think it's changing the channel
[08:32:00] mchou: menu bar?
[08:32:00] joat: but the console output indicates CheckChannel failed
[08:32:00] joat: err, OSD overlay thingy
[08:32:00] mchou: wtf?
[08:32:00] joat: bottom 1/6th of screen
[08:33:00] mchou: then find out what CheckChannel message in the sorce means
[08:33:00] mchou: source*
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[08:34:00] travolta: so what does the log say?
[08:35:00] travolta: from mythbackend and frontend
[08:35:00] thechris: mchou: will a simple chmod 666 work to solve my problems
[08:35:00] mchou: thechris: maybe
[08:35:00] thechris: the mythtv docs tell me about a console.perms
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[08:36:00] mchou: probably wont survive a reboot though :)
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[08:36:00] travolta: irc'ing as root
[08:36:00] travolta: :(
[08:36:00] thechris: mchou: i'm putting it into local.start
[08:36:00] thechris: so it auto fixes itself
[08:36:00] thechris: i can't find any udev issues
[08:43:00] NightMonkey: thechris: Sorry, came late to your party. You having permissions problems on a device node?
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[08:43:00] NightMonkey: doh
[08:45:00] NightMonkey: He was probably not running as a group member of the "video" group.
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[08:55:00] Atamido: Powering down my system for 5 minutes fixed my problem.  :)
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[08:58:00] travolta: if you login at a physical console, your distro should add you to the video group
[08:58:00] travolta: in theory
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[09:12:00] thechris: mchou: you seem to be right, if i restart mythbackend as a user it works just fine
[09:13:00] thechris: but no idea how to get it to work after a reboot
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[09:43:00] DonLKSAB2: Hi
[09:43:00] DonLKSAB2: If i want a second frontend does it need to have a tv card?
[09:43:00] DonLKSAB2: Or can i watch tv from the backend tv card?
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[09:44:00] DonLKSAB2: And what if the 2 different TVs wants to look at different channels?
[09:44:00] DonLKSAB2: Then i need two machines with tvcards and backends?
[09:44:00] thechris: you need 2 tuners
[09:45:00] thechris: 1 or more backends
[09:45:00] thechris: 2 or more frontends
[09:45:00] DonLKSAB2: If i have 2 tvcards in the backend. Can 2 different tvs look at different channels?
[09:45:00] thechris: yes
[09:45:00] DonLKSAB2: Cool
[09:46:00] DonLKSAB2: Then thats what i need :-)
[09:46:00] thechris: looks like i fixed my pvr500 issues...
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[09:46:00] DonLKSAB2: Or. Can i run 2 frontends on one machine?
[09:46:00] thechris: you _could_
[09:46:00] DonLKSAB2: Ok
[09:47:00] thechris: do you have 2 monitors or Xsessions
[09:47:00] DonLKSAB2: I have one projector that runs at 800X600 and one LCD TV that runs 1300Xsomething
[09:48:00] DonLKSAB2: And i want myth on both of them
[09:49:00] thechris: it should work then, but you will need to send each a seperate signal
[09:49:00] thechris: which is more of an X11 and HW issue then a mythtv issue
[09:50:00] DonLKSAB2: Yeah
[09:50:00] DonLKSAB2: So i set it up with 2 Xsessions with different resolutions and runs one mythfrontend om each?
[09:51:00] DonLKSAB2: That could work i think
[09:51:00] thechris: that should work
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[10:13:00] fatmatt: what about audio?
[10:13:00] fatmatt: can each xsession have a separate audio device?
[10:13:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont know but a single X session can have 2 seperate audio devices :)
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: I have done 2 differnet soundcards on the same X session hehe
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[10:16:00] fatmatt: I *think the database for myth is set up per host. It might just use the same config for the one machine,
[10:17:00] Tanthrix: That would be a problem then. There would be no way to specify the use of a different audio card.
[10:18:00] fatmatt: unless you could specify the host as something like host:session1
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[10:57:00] Bhaal: Hrm, Ive been running 0.3.8 for a little while, I jumped up from 0.3.3k and while the picture quality is smoother Ive noticed it to be a little more jerky on panning etc... And this is after Ive upgraded from a 2ghz celeron to a 3ghz p4
[10:57:00] Bhaal: Anyone else noticed this?
[10:57:00] Bhaal: ivtv drivers Im talking about...
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[11:21:00] SlicerDicer-: Bhaal, hi
[11:21:00] SlicerDicer-: havent seen ya in a while :)
[11:22:00] SlicerDicer-: Bhaal, I run 2.0 myself it works great
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[11:58:00] Criggie: right – you're all fantastically interesting tonight but the contents of the stove at home are far more appealing right at this moment
[11:58:00] Criggie: good night all.
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[12:46:00] Bhaal: SlicerDicer-: Yeah, Imakicking
[12:46:00] Bhaal: SlicerDicer-: I have to use the devel ivtv drivers coz of my .au PVR-250MCE (PVR-150 rebadged)
[12:47:00] Bhaal: But with some small differences coz of .au
[12:47:00] Bhaal: So some special ivtv code was introduced just for us aussies :)
[13:02:00] fryfrog: has anyone ever used tables from an old db to import the list of shows that have all ready been recorded?
[13:02:00] fryfrog: not the list of *current* shows, but just the (potentially huge) list of shows that it recorded in the past and doesn't need to re-do
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[13:24:00] deepdelver: hello
[13:24:00] deepdelver: can somebody please help me with my ivtv installation
[13:24:00] deepdelver: i can get it working
[13:25:00] deepdelver: mplayer -ao null -vo x11 /dev/video0 doesn work either
[13:25:00] deepdelver: MPlayer interrupted by signal 2 in module: demux_open
[13:25:00] deepdelver: and my dmesg give only weird errors
[13:26:00] deepdelver: ivtv warning: i2c client addr: 0x21 not found for command 0x401c6466!
[13:26:00] deepdelver: don know whats wrong
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[13:33:00] deepdelver: is there anybody
[13:33:00] deepdelver: ??
[13:34:00] GreyFoxx: after all this time have you even BOTHERED to mail the ivtv mailing list where the fscking experts in that driver are ?
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[13:44:00] deepdelver: yes
[13:44:00] deepdelver: but got no reply
[13:45:00] GreyFoxx: I didn't see the post :)
[13:45:00] deepdelver: watch
[13:46:00] deepdelver: pvr-250not detected
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[13:49:00] deepdelver: but GreyFoxx
[13:49:00] deepdelver: can you help me?
[13:51:00] deepdelver: http://pastebin.com/363418
[13:51:00] deepdelver: this is the error
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[13:52:00] deepdelver: GreyFoxx, ??? still there
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[13:59:00] deepdelver: can somebody please help me through this hell  !!!!!
[14:02:00] fryfrog: i will teach you how to ask for help
[14:02:00] fryfrog: explain clearly the problem, explain what you did and what you have done to try and fix it
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[14:02:00] Nikotinfahnder: hello
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[14:04:00] deepdelver: ok
[14:04:00] laga_: hi Nikotinfahnder
[14:05:00] deepdelver: i installed the latest stable version of ivtv
[14:05:00] fryfrog: (insert actual version #)
[14:05:00] laga_: hi deepdelver
[14:05:00] deepdelver: i did what the doc install.txt said
[14:05:00] deepdelver: hey laga_ i'm here again for that fucking hell of ivtv
[14:05:00] deepdelver: hope get it working today
[14:06:00] laga_: deepdelver: at least you're not a quitter ;)
[14:06:00] deepdelver: today i reinstalled it with the latest stable
[14:06:00] deepdelver: but can't find somebody who can help me
[14:06:00] Nikotinfahnder: hi, i have read about mythtv a while ago and now that i consider to change my pc to linux, i wonder how mythtv would work for me
[14:06:00] deepdelver: i dont understand what i doing wrong
[14:07:00] deepdelver: you need ivtv it's an fucking hell
[14:07:00] deepdelver: al the rest will work i gues
[14:07:00] deepdelver: lirc suxt to
[14:07:00] deepdelver: maibe i'm to stupid for it
[14:07:00] deepdelver: laga_, can you help me
[14:07:00] deepdelver: ?
[14:07:00] deepdelver: http://pastebin.com/363418
[14:07:00] deepdelver: this is my dmesg at the moment
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[14:08:00] laga_: sorry, i'm busy at the moment
[14:08:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: great.
[14:08:00] Nikotinfahnder: can i record tv wit mythtv easily?
[14:08:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: BTw, it's not that quiet usually in #mythtv-de ;)
[14:08:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: yep.
[14:10:00] deepdelver: is there an irc channel for ivtv?
[14:10:00] Nikotinfahnder: i think most german people are working right now, but talking in english isn´t that big of a problem for me
[14:10:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: great :)
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[14:11:00] Tommck: deepdelver – #ivtv-dev
[14:12:00] Nikotinfahnder: what i am searching for is a nice way to record tv shows on my computer, i´ve read of vdr, but it seems that you need a card with a hardware recorder...
[14:12:00] Nikotinfahnder: and i dont want to spend that much money...
[14:13:00] fryfrog: tivos at compusa were $100 with $100 MIR!
[14:14:00] deepdelver: can somebody please tell me a place to find any solutions for this
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[14:14:00] deepdelver: jarods guide cant help me further
[14:14:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: mythtv will work fine with a software encoder card, if your cpu is fast enough.
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[14:15:00] deepdelver: fucking ivtv channel nobody give any answers
[14:16:00] Nikotinfahnder: will i need an extra plugin to run it with a software encoder or just drivers?
[14:16:00] deepdelver: :'(
[14:16:00] deepdelver: dont know it anymore
[14:16:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: just the drivers.
[14:16:00] Tommck: deepdelver – do you realize that whining and whining and whining doesn't help? People don't want to help you. This is the second time I remember you coming in here and just bitching
[14:16:00] laga_: Tommck: it's the tenth time... ;)
[14:17:00] Tommck: deepdelver – have some patience... email the mythtv-users group with as much info as you can
[14:17:00] Tommck: email the ivtv mailing lst
[14:17:00] deepdelver: i did already
[14:17:00] Tommck: list
[14:17:00] deepdelver: !!
[14:17:00] Tommck: stop coming in here and whining to us
[14:17:00] Tommck: you're not going to be helped by anyone, even if they know the answer, if you act like this
[14:17:00] deepdelver: i'm whining i'm searching for a fucking solution
[14:17:00] Nikotinfahnder: because i´ve read something in the new c´t (a german hardware magazin for the more expirienced user) about a xine-plugine, but i think they user vdr
[14:17:00] Tommck: well... with your attitude, you'll never get help[
[14:18:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: they indeed do use VDR. they used to have a CD coming with the magazine with mythtv on it, but it happened only once.
[14:18:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: i'd say that your best bet is mythtv, if you have a software encoder. or freevo.
[14:18:00] deepdelver: i don't the only thing i'm saying is that ivtv-dev is full with people that are away
[14:18:00] deepdelver: ant that i dont know any places to search for
[14:19:00] deepdelver: i have posted in that list
[14:19:00] Tommck: no... you said " fucking ivtv channel nobody give any answers"
[14:19:00] deepdelver: and i have searched everywhere
[14:19:00] Nikotinfahnder: ok, you only need this xine-plugin when you are using vdr?
[14:19:00] deepdelver: ok that true
[14:19:00] laga_: deepdelver: fucking is not a bad thing, but you shouldn't abuse it for swearing
[14:19:00] Tommck: if you email the ivtv email list and you are polite and give good information, people will respond.
[14:19:00] deepdelver: but i a bit fucked up now 3 days searching the on do you any good
[14:19:00] Nikotinfahnder: what is the difference between mythtv and freevo? why should is user mythtv or ist there no big difference?
[14:20:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: you need to use the xine plugin if you don't have a so called full featured card. i dont know hwo you can use VDR with anlog software encoder cards.
[14:20:00] deepdelver: i did i gave dmesg info etc etc
[14:20:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: mythtv is, imho, more sophisticated..
[14:20:00] deepdelver: but i don't get response
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[14:20:00] laga_: only 3 days? you should have more patience.
[14:20:00] deepdelver: i will mail again
[14:21:00] deepdelver: you know laga_ :p how long i'm busy with it but i'm out of idea's
[14:21:00] Nikotinfahnder: laga: the xine-plugin, do i only need it with vdr? or also with mythtv?
[14:21:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: VDR is a completely different piece of software than mythtv.
[14:22:00] deepdelver: Tommck, i just wan't to see mythtv working so i don't give up but i just dont know what to do anymore
[14:22:00] deepdelver: Tommck, i just wan't to see mythtv working so i don't give up but i just dont know what to do anymore
[14:23:00] Nikotinfahnder: laga: i know, but to me ist seems like vdr is more of a dinosaur that needs a lot of plugins to run on modern hardware
[14:23:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: you are right. although the VDR people may disagree on the 'dinosaur' expression ;). imho, mythtv feels more like the 21th century ;)
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[14:27:00] Nikotinfahnder: of course the would disagree
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[14:28:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: if you're going to try mythtv, www.mythwiki.de is a good read for german users
[14:29:00] ** Beirdo pokes laga with a frozen trout **
[14:29:00] Nikotinfahnder: i´ve already found that wiki... but thanks anyway
[14:29:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: and i've founded it
[14:29:00] ** laga_ slaps himself for the bad pun **
[14:29:00] laga_: beavis: hey, what's up ;)
[14:29:00] laga_: s/beavis/beirdo/
[14:29:00] Beirdo: heh
[14:29:00] Beirdo: well, once again, I feel like hell
[14:29:00] Beirdo: but I think I'll try going to work
[14:30:00] laga_: what's wrong?
[14:30:00] Beirdo: slight fever left... no sleep... and my legs ache
[14:30:00] Beirdo: not much :)
[14:30:00] laga_: oh, that sucks
[14:30:00] ** laga_ has skipped half of school since it's started **
[14:31:00] Beirdo: heh
[14:31:00] Beirdo: I rarely take time off work
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[14:31:00] Beirdo: but yesterday I had no real choice
[14:32:00] laga_: yeah, you shouldn't go to work when you're really sick
[14:32:00] ** laga_ really wonders if his mythtv box will have a high GAf **
[14:32:00] Beirdo: today will likely be a half-day
[14:32:00] laga_: i've gotta adjust some things
[14:32:00] laga_: Beirdo: sounds good ;)
[14:32:00] Beirdo: hide the pron?
[14:33:00] laga_: Beirdo: you know, when you have a large collection like me, that's impossible
[14:33:00] Beirdo: hehe
[14:33:00] laga_: Beirdo: but thanks for reminding me, then porn channel is free of charge this month
[14:34:00] Beirdo: silly teenager :)
[14:34:00] laga_: hey, it's free! ;)
[14:35:00] Beirdo: so is the neighbourhood skank
[14:36:00] Nikotinfahnder: mythtv uses a client/server design
[14:36:00] laga_: Beirdo: i don't remember telling you about her
[14:36:00] Beirdo: heh
[14:36:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: right.
[14:36:00] Nikotinfahnder: how does this affect me if i only want to record shows? can i install both in one system?
[14:36:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: yes.
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[14:38:00] Nikotinfahnder: if i would only want to record, would i only need the server on my machine?
[14:38:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: yes.
[14:39:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: you'd need to use mythweb to schedule recordings then if you don't want to use mythfrontend
[14:41:00] Nikotinfahnder: this means, i wouldnt have a gui for mythtv?
[14:41:00] laga_: mythfrontend is the GUI.
[14:44:00] Nikotinfahnder: mythtv runs on linux, does that mean, that i can start mythtv as a normal programm, or does the computer i install it on only runs mythtv an nothing more?
[14:44:00] laga_: you can start mythtv as a normal program or you can have a dedicated computer.
[14:45:00] Nikotinfahnder: i assume that a dedicated machine will give you a better performance on a machine
[14:45:00] laga_: for example, i have a dedicated machine for mythtv. sometimes, i just start mythtv on my desktop machine when i feel like watching TV on it, otherwise i use the machine connected to the tv.
[14:45:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: right.
[14:47:00] Nikotinfahnder: can you stream your content over your lan?
[14:47:00] laga_: yep.
[14:47:00] laga_: that's why we have a client/server system ;)
[14:48:00] Nikotinfahnder: so far it sounds pretty good... i hope it runs stable most of the time...
[14:48:00] Nikotinfahnder: i mean it has a rather low version number
[14:49:00] sandos: uhm
[14:49:00] sandos: dont get hung up on version numbers =)
[14:50:00] sandos: you could have a version number that starts with 0 and decreases if you want to
[14:50:00] sandos: doesnt mean the software is crappy :)
[14:51:00] Nikotinfahnder: dont worry, but in most of the cases, low version numbers indicate that there is room for improvement and bugfixing
[14:51:00] laga_: there's always room for improvement and bug fixing. look at windows 2000, which has a much higer version number than mythtv
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[14:54:00] Nikotinfahnder: hehe, as long you can it use on a daily basis *g*
[14:55:00] GreyFoxx: I've been using Myth daily for over 2 years.
[14:56:00] GreyFoxx: The real problems tend to come from something outside of myths control. Like kernel/hardware or software driver issues most of the time
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[15:00:00] Nikotinfahnder: can you use more than one card in a machine an record several channels at one time?
[15:01:00] laga_: yes.
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: Nikotinfahnder: I have 3 in my backend
[15:01:00] Nikotinfahnder: greyfoxx: you will need a lot of hdd-space...
[15:02:00] jonK: I have 4 tuners, an HD tuner, and 600gb of space dedicated to myth video files
[15:02:00] sandos: heh
[15:02:00] jonK: and all becuas I thought gee, why am i paying tivo $13/month when I could just make my own
[15:02:00] GreyFoxx: Nikotinfahnder: Depends on how much you record or keep around
[15:02:00] sandos: "luckily" here in europe we dont really have to "bother" with hdtv
[15:03:00] GreyFoxx: I use to run them off a 120G drive
[15:03:00] sandos: because there IS no hdtv! I hate it.. :)
[15:03:00] Nikotinfahnder: and how do multiple budget cards affect the performance?
[15:03:00] GreyFoxx: but now I have a terrabyte of space
[15:03:00] jonK: for the money I've spent I could have paid tivo for years
[15:03:00] GreyFoxx: that box is also a fileserver/dhcpserver/etc etc
[15:03:00] jonK: (not to mention, I never did stop that $13 charge)
[15:03:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: define '
[15:03:00] GreyFoxx: Nikotinfahnder: I don't use dvb, so I wouldn't know
[15:03:00] jonK: anyone want a tivo?
[15:03:00] laga_: 'budget cards'
[15:04:00] GreyFoxx: Assuming that's what you are referring to
[15:04:00] Nikotinfahnder: i mean a dvb-s card without a hardware decoder
[15:04:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: they should have very little impact on the performance
[15:05:00] Nikotinfahnder: when do they have impact on the performance?
[15:05:00] laga_: when they slow your system down?
[15:05:00] GreyFoxx: they shouldn't. I use to use a dvb-s card but no longer. As long as you are not trying to decrypt an encyrpted signal then it wont use much if any cpu to record
[15:07:00] Nikotinfahnder: i´ve always read that you will need more power when using a dvb-s card without hardware decoder, then when you user a card with
[15:07:00] GreyFoxx: Nikotinfahnder: They are referring to decrypting the signal.
[15:08:00] GreyFoxx: But they could also refer to playback. Premium cards have an mpeg decoder+tvout
[15:08:00] GreyFoxx: And Myth doesn't support those anyway
[15:09:00] laga_: they're for the VDR crowd
[15:09:00] Nikotinfahnder: this means, that it doesnt really matter if i use one or two budget dvb-s cards performance wise
[15:09:00] GreyFoxx: Nikotinfahnder: Correct
[15:10:00] Nikotinfahnder: but arent there limitations in the bandwith of my harddrive and mainboard?
[15:10:00] GreyFoxx: Nikotinfahnder: You will be no where near the limits
[15:11:00] GreyFoxx: the signal is already mpeg2. All we are doing is taking ti from the dvb card, and storing it to disk for later playback
[15:11:00] GreyFoxx: Nikotinfahnder: Unless you use really old hardware :)
[15:12:00] GreyFoxx: You are not storing raw, uncompressed frames. THAT would cause problems
[15:15:00] Nikotinfahnder: ok, mythtv could really be a good way to record tv for me, as long as we dont get hdtv in good old europe...
[15:16:00] laga_: Nikotinfahnder: prosieben and sat1 are yoing to start broadcasting HDTV over astra.
[15:16:00] Nikotinfahnder: they say, that hdtv will has its breaktrough next year..
[15:16:00] laga_: that's what they' been saying for 3 years.. ;)
[15:16:00] Nikotinfahnder: yes, but i don´t belive in it at this time, i mean, who would buy a new tv, when you dont have content to watch
[15:17:00] laga_: ;)
[15:17:00] Nikotinfahnder: and i wouldnt buy one, with that fucking drm-crap
[15:17:00] laga_: right. i had to tell my dad that he' need to buy a new TV (he's bought an HDTV a few months ago) to watch the soccer world championship in HD
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[15:19:00] Nikotinfahnder: he has bought an HDTV and now he needs a new one?
[15:20:00] laga_: right, because premiere wants to use their customers to buy their spiffy receiver with this wonderfull DRM stuff....
[15:22:00] Nikotinfahnder: premiere, i think its too expensive for what you get... and you can´t get good content, if you don´t pay for all the other crap you don´t want to see
[15:23:00] laga_: i got me 3 months of their movie plan for one euro ;)
[15:25:00] Nikotinfahnder: but that offer doesn´t last forever ;-)
[15:25:00] laga_: it's just a matter of finding another good offer on ebay ;)
[15:27:00] Nikotinfahnder: hehe, ok, i have to go now, thanks a lot for your help...
[15:27:00] laga_: you're welcome, bye
[15:27:00] Nikotinfahnder: bye...
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[15:33:00] D-side: my zap2it account expired, and i never got email reminding me to take their survey. :/
[15:33:00] GreyFoxx: I didn't get an email for my last one either
[15:33:00] D-side: Criggie: boy you sure make the rounds, dont you?
[15:33:00] D-side: GreyFoxx: ah so i wasnt alone!
[15:33:00] GreyFoxx: But I email myself the output of mythfilldatabase everyday so I see the expiry info anyway :)
[15:34:00] D-side: well
[15:34:00] D-side: i have no response to that.
[15:34:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[15:34:00] laga_: D-side: what about a simple 'geek!'? ;)
[15:34:00] D-side: last recording was last friday. ugh. i wonder how much i missed
[15:34:00] GreyFoxx: You could always put a wrapper script around it and grep it out. Or pull it from the database and email if it's almost due
[15:34:00] D-side: friggin Rescue Me. ugh.
[15:35:00] GreyFoxx: I think it's stored in the database which is where the status page gets it from
[15:35:00] D-side: i'm willing to accept it being my fault. i'm just mad about missing some shows.
[15:36:00] D-side: luckily they'll likely be rerun
[15:36:00] GreyFoxx: INSERT INTO settings VALUES ('DataDirectMessage','Your subscription expires on 11/24/05 04:29:35',NULL);
[15:36:00] laga_: D-side: www.lxmsuite.com
[15:36:00] GreyFoxx: Might be handy to make mythfrontend popup a warning or something if that time is too low
[15:37:00] opello: that would be nice, because i let my subscription lapse and i only had 2 days of guide data left — because zap2it didn't send the "hey, renew" email
[15:37:00] D-side: laga_: i might look into that.
[15:38:00] D-side: opello: yeah. i lost data. :/
[15:38:00] opello: ack
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[15:39:00] D-side: lots of familar names around. heh
[15:39:00] immolo: is fluxbox a good wm to use for a mythfrontend or is there one which uses a smaller amount of memory?
[15:40:00] opello: that's what i use, there is a lighter one though
[15:40:00] D-side: i like fluxbox
[15:40:00] opello: (not that i remember the name off hand, sorry)
[15:40:00] immolo: well I guide I saw said evilwm
[15:41:00] immolo: but I use fluxbox on all my boxes so I've been using that mainly
[15:41:00] opello: heh, same here
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[15:41:00] immolo: opello- Have you stopped the taskbar from loading on your setup?
[15:42:00] opello: no, why?
[15:42:00] immolo: just wondering if it will give a slight boost seeings as it not really needed
[15:42:00] laga_: ratpoison?
[15:42:00] opello: i just setup some stuff in the keys file to pull up an xterm, and start setup/frontend
[15:43:00] opello: (frontend occasionally crashes on me
[15:43:00] D-side: so lxmsuites. who uses it?
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[15:43:00] immolo: heh mine currently just starts it from the startup script
[15:43:00] D-side: laga_: and, how the hell have you been? :)
[15:44:00] opello: same here, but the restart, i don't want to ctrl-alt-backspace and restart x
[15:44:00] opello: i just hit alt-f
[15:44:00] laga_: D-side: great. school has started again, but the new GF makes up for that ;)
[15:44:00] laga_: D-side: what what did life do to you lately?
[15:44:00] D-side: laga_: shat all over me.
[15:45:00] D-side: but i'm recovering.
[15:45:00] laga_: sounds good ;)
[15:45:00] D-side: if not good, better than bad at least.
[15:46:00] laga_: yeah. the glass is twice as large as it has to be
[15:48:00] opello: D-side: so you going to do that lxm thing? i just don't like the idea that i'd have to pay to get the guide data i already do for free .. but then i've never had it be wrong, and i caught the update thing
[15:49:00] D-side: opello: i doubt it.
[15:49:00] D-side: i'd consider it for its "extra features", however i cant seem to find mention of them on their site, and i question how much i'd really use it.
[15:50:00] opello: they mention some movie thing, but i don't think i'd use that enough to warrant
[15:50:00] opello: (like theatre movies)
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[15:55:00] twisted_one: GreyFoxx: have you done anything wiht myth through a NAT'd firewall?
[15:55:00] twisted_one: I have a backend behind a firewall and Im having trouble connecting to it.
[15:56:00] twisted_one: It appears that when I open mythfrontend it connects to the DB just fine, but then it grabs the Backend's IP from the DB itself. This is an issue because the IP in the DB is an internal NAT'd one, and thus not accessable from outside if the firewall.
[15:57:00] D-side: yeah, that wont be possible.
[15:57:00] twisted_one: I would imagine that there is an override for this, but I can't seem to figure it out. Someone on the mailing list mentioned a command line hack/parameter to override the it on the frontend, but I cannot seem to find anything else about this. I have contacted that person and I am awaiting a response.
[15:57:00] D-side: unless you can use a hostname for the backend, and have it set in your external client's host file.
[15:58:00] twisted_one: D-side: I have tried that.
[15:58:00] twisted_one: I think
[15:58:00] D-side: i'd imagine tht would work.
[15:58:00] D-side: if not, you're beat.
[15:58:00] twisted_one: D-side: please elaborate so I can make sure I'm doing that right
[15:59:00] twisted_one: D-side: the other thing I want to try is setting the IP of the backend to the external address of the firewall itself, NAT shoudl make it transparent then, but I have heard that this causes issues, so I dont know if I want to do that.
[15:59:00] D-side: thta certainly wont work. then machines on the lan wouldnt be able to communicate with it.
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[16:01:00] GreyFoxx: Will myth use hostnames instead of IPs ? I've never tried
[16:02:00] GreyFoxx: was a vpn tunnel through the nat firewall
[16:02:00] GreyFoxx: err what about
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[16:03:00] D-side: GreyFoxx: thats probably the best option
[16:03:00] twisted_one: GreyFoxx: I've never done any VPN... hrmm
[16:03:00] D-side: or at least, thats how i'd do it
[16:03:00] GreyFoxx: The hostname trick would work IF myth supports hostnames and not just IPs. And I don't know that it does
[16:03:00] twisted_one: myth will use hostnames, but... what do I set the ip to resolve to on the frontend?
[16:04:00] twisted_one: for instance my internal clients all are set to "mythril" which is the mythbox
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: ok
[16:04:00] D-side: GreyFoxx: my frontends connect via hostname
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: then on the frontend edit /etc/hosts
[16:04:00] twisted_one: yes
[16:04:00] twisted_one: but to what?
[16:04:00] twisted_one: GreyFoxx: mind you, that it connects
[16:04:00] twisted_one: but.
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: and add 123.123.123.123 mythril where 123.123.123.123 is the NAT box IP
[16:05:00] twisted_one: I have done that
[16:05:00] twisted_one: I can get the front end to connect to the backend
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: Then what is the problem ?
[16:05:00] D-side: oh i get it.
[16:05:00] D-side: mysql
[16:06:00] twisted_one: but what happens is, when I try and open a video stream... it (the backend) sends the IP it (the backend) has, which is 90.0.0.202 (the internal one), and then the front end tries to connect to that IP, which is not working
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[16:06:00] twisted_one: D-side: EXACTLY =)
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: Ahhh gotcha
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: Just like DCC
[16:06:00] D-side: tell the backend to look for mysql on the boxes hostname
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: it tells you where to connect back to
[16:06:00] D-side: maybe.
[16:06:00] D-side: that might not work, depending.
[16:06:00] D-side: it really depends on the protocol, and i'll bet its not hostname friendly.
[16:06:00] twisted_one: I dont htink it is
[16:07:00] D-side: now would be a good time to invest some time into learning about vpns.
[16:07:00] twisted_one: So what I am thinking about is somehow telling mysql to respond with a different ip (The firewalls) when it recieves a connection from that specific host.
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: twisted_one: What kind of nat box ?
[16:07:00] twisted_one: its basically iptables
[16:08:00] twisted_one: its an old pc running smoothwall
[16:08:00] twisted_one: (basically a nice gui for iptables)
[16:08:00] GreyFoxx: You could always hack up ip_nat_irc.c in the kernel to do the same thing for myth that it does for IRC DCC connections
[16:08:00] D-side: i'm thinking... no. :)
[16:08:00] twisted_one: I don tknow, because its the DB itself whcih is causing the problem..
[16:08:00] GreyFoxx: It's pretty tiny
[16:09:00] twisted_one: GreyFoxx: unless I am misunderstanding you
[16:09:00] GreyFoxx: twisted_one: Did you or did you not say that the backend (which is NOT mysql. It might be on the same box but is not the same thing) is sending the IP ?
[16:09:00] twisted_one: And, I don't even know if that machine has a compiler on it (in fact Im fairly certian it doesnt for security reasons)
[16:09:00] GreyFoxx: It's getting a hostname from MySQL, but the backend is sending a IP in the connection attempt ?
[16:10:00] GreyFoxx: And that IP is of the internal IP and therefore failing ?
[16:10:00] twisted_one: I think something like that
[16:11:00] D-side: hm.
[16:11:00] twisted_one: I think what happens is once the initial connection is made and the frontend authenticates it then relies solely on the information given to it from the backend, including the ip of the backend, whcih the backend thinks is 90.0.0.202, but htat is not a valid address for thtat particular front end.
[16:11:00] D-side: maybe later i can sniff from my frontend and see.
[16:11:00] twisted_one: GreyFoxx: Does that make sense?
[16:12:00] GreyFoxx: twisted_one: I'd have to verify, but I could imagine that is correct
[16:12:00] twisted_one: GreyFoxx: well lets say it is for now, I have an idea...
[16:12:00] twisted_one: this is more a question of networking now.... (this idea)
[16:12:00] GreyFoxx: That's where I would hack up the kernel module on the firewall to auto "translate" it for me
[16:13:00] D-side: GreyFoxx: but you've got skills. some of us dont. :)
[16:13:00] D-side: and be honest, would you try this through nat to begin with?
[16:13:00] twisted_one: D-side: I've hacked kernel stuffs before =)
[16:13:00] twisted_one: lol
[16:13:00] DonLKSAB: Hi
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: D-side: No, I would use a vpn, but if it was my only choice I would go that route. IF that is how the transaction is occuring
[16:13:00] DonLKSAB: Anyone know what the differance is between DVI-D and DVI-I ?
[16:13:00] twisted_one: Im sniffing now to verify
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[16:14:00] DonLKSAB: I aparantly got the wrong one
[16:14:00] twisted_one: I think Im going to look into VPN then I was hoping to be able to do this with mysql stuffs (whcih I need to learn for school)
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[16:15:00] twisted_one: I dont really want to mess with kernel modules on that box because its really secure and it might not like it at all.
[16:15:00] shunter: anyone here use mythburn and projectx?
[16:15:00] GreyFoxx: twisted_one: I don't see a "simple" mysql solution to that.
[16:15:00] twisted_one: GreyFoxx: doesn't have to be simple =P
[16:15:00] twisted_one: but yeah
[16:15:00] GreyFoxx: Other than making a second copy of mysql with the backend IP being the only difference
[16:15:00] twisted_one: Hrmm, that might actually work....
[16:15:00] GreyFoxx: which I can alreasdy picture problems with
[16:16:00] twisted_one: yeah...
[16:16:00] twisted_one: nevermind
[16:16:00] twisted_one: GreyFoxx: how hard is VPN to setup? (I cant believe it, but I've never done it yet, just used it)
[16:16:00] D-side: fairly.
[16:16:00] D-side: linux to linux?
[16:16:00] twisted_one: yes
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[16:17:00] D-side: wait. you said smoothwall, 2.4 kernel?
[16:17:00] GreyFoxx: twisted_one: Not particularly, but then it's been a year+ since I last did a linux -> linux one
[16:17:00] twisted_one: yes 2.4
[16:17:00] twisted_one: is that no good?
[16:17:00] D-side: does that smoothwall box have free/open swan installed on it/
[16:17:00] twisted_one: D-side: dont worry about the firewall
[16:17:00] D-side: eh. i'm more used to ipsec-tools than the swans, personally.
[16:18:00] twisted_one: I have stuffs installed which makes VPN passthroughs really easy
[16:18:00] twisted_one: or so I have read of those using them
[16:18:00] twisted_one: and I have used it in the past (over a year ago)
[16:18:00] D-side: you dont want to do that for this. you want this done on the gatewy.
[16:18:00] twisted_one: I just didnt actually set up the clients, I just allowed the pastrhough
[16:18:00] D-side: i suppose you COULD, really. i wouldnt want to.
[16:19:00] twisted_one: oh, so you are saying the remote front end tunnels into what? the smoothwall?
[16:19:00] D-side: thts usually the way its done.
[16:19:00] twisted_one: Hrmm
[16:19:00] D-side: unless you just want to try pptp
[16:19:00] twisted_one: do you think that would work?
[16:19:00] D-side: which will require a pptpd daemon, and a patched pppd
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[16:20:00] D-side: and, you're welcome, fucker.
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[16:20:00] D-side: oh good. :)
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[16:20:00] D-side: twisted_one: both will work, its up to you to decide how you want to implement it.
[16:21:00] D-side: GreyFoxx: what was it you used, when doing linux-linux
[16:22:00] GreyFoxx: pptp
[16:22:00] D-side: oof.
[16:22:00] twisted_one: I really dont want to setup VPN on the mythbox
[16:22:00] GreyFoxx: freeswan back in 2001 for stuff
[16:22:00] D-side: i've never tried to do pptp-client stuff. i think i'd like to keep it that way.
[16:22:00] GreyFoxx: but It's normally not a issue for me.
[16:22:00] D-side: twisted_one: so do it on the gateway.
[16:22:00] twisted_one: sorry
[16:22:00] twisted_one: I meant the gateway
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[16:23:00] D-side: replace smoothwall with m0n0wall and make it easy on yourself. :D
[16:23:00] BoBotheClown: hey y'all
[16:23:00] D-side: morning.
[16:24:00] BoBotheClown: any mythtranscode gurus around?
[16:25:00] BoBotheClown: mythtranscode: mpeg2trans.cpp:668: bool MPEG2trans::process_video(AVPacket*, bool): Assertion `0' failed.
[16:26:00] GreyFoxx: Alas, that's something I pretty much never go near
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[16:30:00] D-side: nor do I, sorry.
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[16:44:00] Bhaal: Woot... 2 PCs 4 monitors with KM access to all of them...
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[17:08:00] m1k3: so i set up a slave backend, just to do commercial flagging (my master is weak). and it looks happy, connects to the master
[17:09:00] m1k3: but it, uh, doesn't do anything. i configured the master so it wouldn't run commflag jobs, made sure the "force jobs to run on same machine" was off, slave has the commflag option enabled, but
[17:09:00] m1k3: there's jobs in the queue, and nobody's doing them
[17:10:00] m1k3: any ideas?
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[17:12:00] m1k3: how about, my master is 0.18, and the slave 0.18.1 – does that matter?
[17:14:00] sskk: Is it true, that pvr-150 support is now in the stable ivtv 0.2.0 drivers?
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: sskk: I think most of that was backported a while ago
[17:15:00] GreyFoxx: but 0.3.8 was just "released" so I guess that is considered stable now
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[17:16:00] pyrodex: Does anyone know if there is a fix for png thumbnail generation in mythweb if your using Firewire capture? The images come across pixelated but the video is fine.
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: I don't think I've seen that one reported
[17:17:00] pyrodex: Hmmm ok maybe I am a first.
[17:17:00] pyrodex: Well yes.. I am getting pixelated pngs in mythweb on firewire recordings, Now granted I am using latest CVS
[17:19:00] sskk: have you checked out the MediaPortal project (for win though) It's a quite impressive UI – really hope the myth-design team has it in mind..
[17:20:00] GreyFoxx: has what in mind? support of their themes or something ?
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[17:22:00] sskk: yes maybe, or just design ideas... The whole setup part of media portal is something myth could learn from in my opinion..
[17:22:00] D-side: it looks like MCE
[17:22:00] D-side: ick.
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[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: sskk: Then code up some patches :) Cause I would be quite suprised if anyone was looking to copy the layout of other projects
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: and that being said, I've never even looked at MP so I have no idea how nice it's setup menus are :)
[17:26:00] GreyFoxx: It's too bad that most graphic designers are Windows/MAC people. I'd love to see some talented people hack away at some themes/icons/graphics
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[17:27:00] sskk: I guess it's no shame to learn from other projects, that said, I'm back on myth, because I like it (and especially the community around it) better, so the learning should go both ways. My point is that the menu structure, the graphical finish and the ease of getting started with it, is stuff mythtv could get inspired by..
[17:27:00] GreyFoxx: IF the coders like the other way of doing things.
[17:28:00] GreyFoxx: But I'm sure some things could be streamlined if someone cared to do it
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[17:29:00] Dibblah: xris: Are you having to boot into Windows or something? ;)
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[17:31:00] xris: Dibblah: huh?
[17:31:00] Dibblah: You appear to be disconnecting / connecting more than usual.
[17:31:00] Dibblah: As am I, and having to boot into Linux is my excuse.
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[17:36:00] BoBotheClown-13: I have a question myth users
[17:36:00] BoBotheClown-13: anyone using nuvexport?
[17:36:00] BoBotheClown-13: I have a pvr 350
[17:37:00] BoBotheClown-13: my question is this, when I run nuvexport, it tells me the files are not MPEG2
[17:37:00] BoBotheClown-13: this is odd since it's an mpeg 2 encoder/decoder
[17:38:00] D-side: that sure does sound odd
[17:39:00] D-side: you're not transcoding are you?
[17:39:00] BoBotheClown-13: I am only trying to cut the commercials
[17:39:00] D-side: no, i mean are you using mythtranscode after the original program is done recording?
[17:40:00] D-side: iirc, you can set myth up to transcode your mpeg2 recordings to a different format, to conserve space.
[17:40:00] BoBotheClown-13: well, not mythtranscode as that crashes with random error
[17:40:00] BoBotheClown-13: I am using nuvexport choice 10
[17:40:00] BoBotheClown-13: 10. MPEG2->MPEG2 cut only
[17:41:00] D-side: i understand that part. that still doesnt answer my question.
[17:41:00] BoBotheClown-13: oh
[17:41:00] BoBotheClown-13: no
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[17:41:00] BoBotheClown-13: just commflag
[17:41:00] D-side: thats indeed strange
[17:41:00] xris: Dibblah: I'm confused. I only JUST woke up and connected. hadn't been previously connected for over 8 hours.
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: info for: /dvdstor/video/1012_20050827200000_20050827230000.nuv
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: aspect: 4:3
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: aspect_f: 1.33333333333333
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: audio_bitrate: 384000
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: audio_bits_per_sample: 16
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: audio_channels: 2
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: audio_sample_rate: 48000
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: fps: 29.970
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: height: 480
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: is_mpeg: 1
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: mpeg_stream_type: ps
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: video_type: MPEG2
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: width: 480
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: done
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: there is the output from nuvinfo
[17:42:00] xris: BoBotheClown-13: PASTEBIN
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: sorry
[17:42:00] GreyFoxx: Dude, if you need to paste more than 3 or 4 lines please use pastebin.com/ca
[17:42:00] BoBotheClown-13: rather new to IRC
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[17:44:00] GreyFoxx: Illegal division by zero at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export/generic.pm line 183, <STDIN> line 15.
[17:44:00] GreyFoxx: hehe looks like nuv export doesn't like me anymore :)
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[17:46:00] xris: GreyFoxx: lots of people seem to be having trouble lately
[17:46:00] GreyFoxx: This same version worked about 1–2 weeks ago when I installed it
[17:46:00] GreyFoxx: this is the first time I fired it up since
[17:46:00] GreyFoxx: but I'm also running svn as of Chutt's commit last night
[17:46:00] xris: looks like either the aspect ratio or width isn't getting detected properly
[17:47:00] xris: but yeah, I need to rev nuvexport and get it to support the new db stuff.
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[17:48:00] xris: anyway, off to work.
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[17:51:00] BoBotheClown-13: can anyone point me to doc on how to cut the commercials from nuv recordings?
[17:51:00] BoBotheClown-13: I can transcode them manually
[17:51:00] BoBotheClown-13: I am not married to any particular tool
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[18:19:00] Wizard_Guest: can anyone answer a question about tuners in Myth?
[18:20:00] Wizard_Guest: As in how many can you have, and how many different sources
[18:20:00] GreyFoxx: As many as you can fit in your PC ?
[18:20:00] Wizard_Guest: no, as in how many can Myth handle
[18:21:00] GreyFoxx: I've currently got 3, had 4 at one point but the 4th never got used so I put it in my dads mythbox
[18:21:00] Wizard_Guest: ok
[18:21:00] Wizard_Guest: good
[18:21:00] Wizard_Guest: I'm getting somewhere
[18:21:00] GreyFoxx: Wizard_Guest: There is no practical limit as far as myth is concerned
[18:21:00] Wizard_Guest: now, how many different sources can you connect
[18:21:00] Wizard_Guest: as in my case
[18:21:00] GreyFoxx: It's the motherboard/pci bandwidth/HD bw that is the limit
[18:21:00] GreyFoxx: as many as you have inputs on however many cards
[18:22:00] Wizard_Guest: ok
[18:22:00] shunter: GreyFoxx, so you never had any problems with contention with 4 in your box?
[18:22:00] GreyFoxx: shunter: nope
[18:22:00] Wizard_Guest: say I have channel 140 on 2 different cards
[18:22:00] shunter: GreyFoxx, what mobo you using?
[18:22:00] GreyFoxx: shunter: all of my myth boxes are nforce2 boards
[18:23:00] Wizard_Guest: how ouwld Myth know what tuner to use?
[18:23:00] shunter: GreyFoxx, ahh. nice.
[18:23:00] GreyFoxx: I don't go near via based stuff. And intel is too expensive :)
[18:23:00] shunter: GreyFoxx, I hear that ;p
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[18:23:00] GreyFoxx: Wizard_Guest: the simplest answer is the first free one
[18:24:00] Wizard_Guest: hmm.. ok
[18:24:00] GreyFoxx: But There is some sort of a priority that can be given to certain inputs Ibelieve
[18:24:00] Wizard_Guest: but now say 140, the channel, actually is 2 different channels
[18:24:00] GreyFoxx: wizard then it wouldn't be an issue
[18:24:00] Wizard_Guest: lest say ESPN, and HGTV
[18:25:00] GreyFoxx: It's not based on channel number, It's based on the station
[18:25:00] Wizard_Guest: and I wanted to watch ESPN
[18:25:00] Wizard_Guest: and by that you mean.....
[18:25:00] GreyFoxx: And your video source attached to each of the cards would let myth know that "140" on card 2 is not the same as "140" on card1
[18:25:00] GreyFoxx: ESPN != HGTV :)
[18:25:00] Wizard_Guest: ahh, gotcha
[18:25:00] GreyFoxx: The frequencies are the same, but the station on that channel isn't :)
[18:26:00] GreyFoxx: In my case all of my cards are currently connected to the same video source
[18:26:00] Wizard_Guest: now, can you tell me if I what I want to do is going to work?
[18:26:00] Wizard_Guest: 4 tuners
[18:26:00] Wizard_Guest: 1 PVR500MCE
[18:26:00] Wizard_Guest: 1 Nexus-s
[18:26:00] Wizard_Guest: 1 PCHDTV3000
[18:27:00] GreyFoxx: I don't see any particular reason why it wont
[18:27:00] Wizard_Guest: PVR500----> my Dish net IRD
[18:27:00] Wizard_Guest: Nexus-s----->FTA Sat channels
[18:27:00] Wizard_Guest: PCHDTV-----> OTA HD content
[18:28:00] GreyFoxx: Should work assuming your video sources are all setup to let myth know what cards have what content
[18:28:00] Wizard_Guest: ahh
[18:28:00] Wizard_Guest: thank you
[18:28:00] Wizard_Guest: I have been posting in different forums
[18:28:00] Wizard_Guest: and no one can give me a staright answer
[18:28:00] GreyFoxx: and I believe you can do some sort of priority to let it say pick the hdtv if the show is on botht he 500 and the hdtv3k
[18:28:00] Wizard_Guest: cool
[18:29:00] Wizard_Guest: you have been a HUGE help
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[18:29:00] GreyFoxx: I've never touched that, but I see it talked about all the time
[18:29:00] GreyFoxx: Wizard_Guest: the mythtv-users list might be a place you want to check out/sign up to.
[18:29:00] Wizard_Guest: so if I wanted to record ESPN, and ESPN shows up on both the Nexus, and the PVR500, I can have it default to the 500
[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: Wizard_Guest: something like that
[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: make it use one card over the other unless that card is already going to record something that is only available on that one card
[18:30:00] Wizard_Guest: unless he 500 is in use (recording something else) then it would move to the Nexus, right?
[18:31:00] Wizard_Guest: ok, kewl
[18:31:00] Krazylegz: Well, the 500 will be two inputs.
[18:31:00] Wizard_Guest: yeah
[18:31:00] GreyFoxx: damn, I have a meeting in half an hour I didn't know about. Gotta run and grab lunch now *sigh*
[18:31:00] Wizard_Guest: thanks for the help!
[18:32:00] Wizard_Guest: if anyone else knows, Can Myth be setup on 64 bit platform, as in gentoo64??
[18:32:00] Wizard_Guest: or fedora core 4–64
[18:33:00] Krazylegz: I can check Gentoo for you, if you lookup the availablility of FC4–64bit Myth packages.
[18:33:00] Krazylegz: I'm sure everything else will work: qt, MySQL, etc.
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[18:34:00] NightBird: I would guess it would be able too... I mean, Gentoo 64 can run 32 bit programs, right?
[18:34:00] Wizard_Guest: yes
[18:34:00] Krazylegz: Looks like AMD64 should work.
[18:34:00] Krazylegz: http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=mythtv
[18:34:00] NightBird: I would guess it should be able too, but then again, it might not...
[18:35:00] Krazylegz: I'm not sure about the advantages of 64-bit for MythTV?
[18:35:00] ** NightBird shrugs **
[18:35:00] Wizard_Guest: well, its kinda all that I have to work with without having to buy another MB, and processor
[18:36:00] ** NightBird nods **
[18:36:00] NightBird: go with it then...
[18:36:00] Wizard_Guest: and I figured if I have a AMD64, might as well use the 64
[18:36:00] Wizard_Guest: and not default to 32
[18:36:00] Wizard_Guest: does Myth have any problems with Sync issues?
[18:37:00] Wizard_Guest: I used VDR for about 4–5 months
[18:37:00] Wizard_Guest: and every recorded show had sync isues with the audio about every 3–5 min.s
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[18:37:00] NightBird: hm...
[18:37:00] NightBird: I haven't had any problems
[18:37:00] Wizard_Guest: using NTSC in NA??
[18:38:00] NightBird: most I've done though really, is play a recorded show while recording.... but that ra n fine...
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[18:38:00] Wizard_Guest: I think that the problem was VDR was made in Germany
[18:38:00] Krazylegz: Wizard: If you use a PVR card, the card itself should keep things in sync, I believe.
[18:38:00] Wizard_Guest: for a PAL system
[18:38:00] Wizard_Guest: here we use NTSC
[18:38:00] Krazylegz: Where are you?
[18:39:00] Wizard_Guest: USA
[18:39:00] Wizard_Guest: and you?
[18:39:00] Wizard_Guest: :)
[18:39:00] Krazylegz: USA! USA!!! :-)
[18:40:00] Wizard_Guest: now can recordings span multiple HD's?
[18:40:00] Wizard_Guest: w/ VDR, i had 3 HD's going
[18:40:00] Wizard_Guest: * /video0, /video1, and /video2
[18:41:00] Wizard_Guest: VDR just picked which one
[18:41:00] NightBird: hm...
[18:41:00] NightBird: I don't think so...
[18:41:00] Wizard_Guest: but in the program they were all seen as 1 big drive
[18:41:00] NightBird: I know that in the configuration, it lets you pick the directory to record things too
[18:41:00] NightBird: so I'm guessing not
[18:41:00] Krazylegz: Wizard: You can do that if you setup LVM to make the multiple drives look line one single drive.
[18:41:00] Wizard_Guest: well, the same was for VDR
[18:41:00] kormoc: you could LVM the drives together
[18:41:00] Krazylegz: With that setup, you can also do RAID0/1 in software, Believe.
[18:41:00] Wizard_Guest: local volume... manager??
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[18:41:00] Krazylegz: *I believe.
[18:41:00] kormoc: yup
[18:42:00] ** NightBird is going to search for a way to compress the files when he gets back from tutoring today.... **
[18:42:00] Wizard_Guest: raid using IDE??
[18:42:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, he doesn't want to do raid 1, cause mirroring would just eat up his space, and raid 0 is what lvm would do basically
[18:42:00] kormoc: Wizard_Guest, software raid doesn't require a raid controler, and yes, you could always raid ide
[18:42:00] Wizard_Guest: but best to use LVM, right?
[18:43:00] NightBird: heh
[18:43:00] Wizard_Guest: I read that somewhere
[18:43:00] NightBird: you could raid across ide, sata, scsi, and floppy in a software raid probably...
[18:43:00] kormoc: yeah, you can add drives to a lvm or remove drives from a lvm without losing data
[18:43:00] Wizard_Guest: kewl
[18:43:00] kormoc: you can't in raid 0, and raid 1 wastes space
[18:43:00] NightBird: though why you would want to raid across floppies, I don't know why..
[18:43:00] Wizard_Guest: raid 1 mirrors, right?
[18:43:00] kormoc: yup
[18:43:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: I know he doesn't want RAID1, but it's there.
[18:43:00] Wizard_Guest: just a speed increase
[18:44:00] kormoc: actually mirroring is no speed increase
[18:44:00] Krazylegz: Maybe he wants RAID1 for his system, and RAID0 for his recordings, hmmmm? :-)
[18:44:00] Wizard_Guest: and raid 0 is asking for trouble
[18:44:00] kormoc: hehe, fair nuff Krazylegz :P
[18:44:00] Wizard_Guest: 1 drive goes down, the whole thing is shot!
[18:44:00] NightBird: raid 1 has a penalty to speed... raid0 is a speed increase normally...
[18:44:00] NightBird: Wizard_Guest, thats why they came up with stuff like raid 5
[18:44:00] Krazylegz: Frankly, I don't see much of a problem using RAID0 for recordings. Doesn't matter if you lose them.
[18:44:00] ** kormoc runs hardware raid 0 for his /root **
[18:44:00] Wizard_Guest: and raid 1+0
[18:45:00] Krazylegz: Though, it won't give you much of a usable advantage, either.
[18:45:00] NightBird: eh...
[18:45:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, the thing is, when you want to add a drive to the array, you have to format the full array again
[18:45:00] Wizard_Guest: or RAID10
[18:45:00] Wizard_Guest: hmm, i'm sticking with LVM
[18:45:00] Krazylegz: Man, he's going to need a full tower for this 5 tuners + 4 hard drives setup. :-)
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[18:45:00] Wizard_Guest: not 5
[18:45:00] Wizard_Guest: 4 tuners
[18:45:00] Wizard_Guest: and 3 drives
[18:45:00] Wizard_Guest: but i want to add another drive
[18:46:00] Wizard_Guest: 4 250 gig
[18:46:00] Krazylegz: Ah, so you'd go to 4 and 4.
[18:46:00] pfn: you can only add drives in jbod
[18:46:00] pfn: you can't add drives in any raid configuration
[18:46:00] Wizard_Guest: yulp, 4 diamond max16's
[18:46:00] NightBird: class time, bye
[18:47:00] kormoc: pfn, you can add drives to a raid 5, no?
[18:47:00] Wizard_Guest: ok, well at least I got something figured out today!
[18:47:00] pfn: that would be the only possibility
[18:47:00] Krazylegz: Anyway, yes, you should use LVM and it will do whatever you decide on.
[18:47:00] pfn: but that's a perilous operation
[18:47:00] Wizard_Guest: now just waiting for my tuners and a new silverstone case
[18:47:00] pfn: you could use the parity information on the existing drives to re-stripe the hot-added drive, at which point the parity information would be re-distributed
[18:48:00] ** kormoc nods **
[18:48:00] pfn: in raid5, but that's a very critical operation
[18:48:00] Wizard_Guest: thanks for the help
[18:48:00] kormoc: that's why you do it in the raid controler's bios or with the raid down
[18:48:00] pfn: and any failure in the parity information anywhere = dead array
[18:49:00] pfn: it's but you're right, it's usually done with the raid taken down, if ever
[18:49:00] pfn: of course, I don't think I could stand 12+ hours of downtime while the drive is added... that isn't so "hot" to me
[18:50:00] Krazylegz: Well, it's just a Mythbox.
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[19:09:00] rappy: hello. is someone up for a lcdproc question, and could be a general lilnux question also?
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[19:18:00] pyrodex: Anyone here have a PVR500 and uses an s-video input on it who can answer a question?
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[19:33:00] fryfrog: anyone use a motorola DCT-6412 (its a 2 tuner DVR) with myth?
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[19:56:00] fryfrog: does anyone know of any good firewire + mythtv resources?
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[20:12:00] fryfrog: man, this firewire stuff is teh hard!
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: I should enable firewire support and "Record" my digital video camera recordings heh
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[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: if that would work :)
[20:16:00] fryfrog: i'm having trouble just finding any real information about it :/
[20:16:00] GreyFoxx: What is there to find out ?
[20:16:00] GreyFoxx: Install firewire drivers/libraries, compile myth, run myth-setup and point at new firewire input, popint video source at new input
[20:17:00] GreyFoxx: of course I've not actually done it, but I expect it would be just what I described
[20:17:00] fryfrog: done, but i don't get anything :/
[20:17:00] fryfrog: black screen, quickly exits out
[20:17:00] fryfrog: the 6200ch script changes channels on the box though :/
[20:17:00] GreyFoxx: It's completelyt possible that your firewire port is not enabled
[20:17:00] GreyFoxx: some providers don't allow video out of the port
[20:18:00] fryfrog: its in dmesg when i plug/unplug it
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[20:18:00] fryfrog: and there is some log spew about firewire too
[20:18:00] GreyFoxx: but unfortunately without one for experimenting I can't test it
[20:18:00] GreyFoxx: just because the port is live,m doesn't mean the box will pass video through it
[20:18:00] fryfrog: true
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[20:19:00] GreyFoxx: But try the -users list, there might me some sort of utils outside of myth you can use for verification
[20:20:00] fryfrog: yeah, thats what i'm hoping for and i *think* i may have found it
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[20:22:00] fryfrog: btw, how is a next release of myth looking?
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[20:22:00] fryfrog: its been a long time since i've poked around in myth
[20:22:00] thechris: i just got it working today...
[20:24:00] sskk: What is the "right"/most up-to-date address for downloading the ivtv drivers?
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[20:24:00] DonLKSAB: Hi
[20:25:00] Krazylegz: MythTV 0.19 won't be out for a while.
[20:25:00] fryfrog: ah
[20:25:00] DonLKSAB: Lets hope so :-)
[20:26:00] DonLKSAB: Still trying to get 0.12.1 to work :-)
[20:26:00] DonLKSAB: No
[20:26:00] DonLKSAB: 0.18.1
[20:26:00] Krazylegz: Haha, that's better.
[20:26:00] thechris: just got 0.18.1 working yesterday
[20:27:00] thechris: and i was somewhat correct
[20:27:00] thechris: it was a mythtv issue...
[20:27:00] DonLKSAB: Minw wont compile
[20:27:00] DonLKSAB: mine*
[20:27:00] thechris: i reloaded my ivtv modules and forgot to restart the backend
[20:27:00] thechris: the backend still worked, except it was unable to change channels...
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[20:28:00] Krazylegz: DonLKSAB: You can paste your errors in Pastebin and then link us here.
[20:28:00] DonLKSAB: Well no
[20:28:00] DonLKSAB: Its borderline illegal stuff im trying to fix
[20:29:00] DonLKSAB: So it will stay off this chan
[20:29:00] Krazylegz: I don't really care, but okay. :-)
[20:29:00] DonLKSAB: Im trying to use a softcam
[20:29:00] Krazylegz: Sssssh. :-)
[20:29:00] DonLKSAB: With a legal card
[20:29:00] DonLKSAB: So im not braking the law
[20:29:00] thechris: would it have been borderline illeagal if you didn't tell us?
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[20:30:00] DonLKSAB: Well i can tell you if you want
[20:30:00] GreyFoxx: sskk: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page
[20:30:00] DonLKSAB: But i dont think its very populare in here
[20:30:00] Krazylegz: I don't know if I'll be able to help you.
[20:30:00] GreyFoxx: Anything to do with using myth to grab torrents, or access encrypted sat channels is quite disapproved of
[20:31:00] Krazylegz: GreyFoxx is smart, but he might not be a big fan of what you're doing.
[20:31:00] DonLKSAB: Im trying to use a cardshare server to be able to read my DVB card
[20:31:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, what he said. :-)
[20:31:00] sskk: thanks GreyFoxx – it's just that there are so many ivtv sites, and sometimes I see talk about versions, that are not on e.g. sourceforge.. so... thanks..
[20:31:00] DonLKSAB: GreyFoxx yes
[20:32:00] DonLKSAB: But my big problem is that im actualy is paying for the channels
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: sskk: heh yeah
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: sskk: official development and all that has moved to that location I just pasted
[20:32:00] DonLKSAB: bur no were to put the card in the machine
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: DonLKSAB: I know the feeling but that doesn't change it :)
[20:33:00] DonLKSAB: Right. So it stays off this chan :-)
[20:34:00] GreyFoxx: Yeah. While I'm as curious about that stuff as the next guy, we generally don't want myth associated with that sort of thing
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[20:34:00] GreyFoxx: one does their best to give the lawsuit happy lawyers and media companies away from you :)
[20:34:00] GreyFoxx: keep
[20:37:00] Beirdo: apt-get moo
[20:38:00] DonLKSAB: Ok now i have a question not related to the other stuff :-)
[20:38:00] DonLKSAB: When i installed my machine some days ago it found my display and mad all kinds of nice modlines for it
[20:38:00] Krazylegz: apt-get install beer
[20:38:00] Krazylegz: Dependencies: evening
[20:38:00] DonLKSAB: Now i installed another display
[20:39:00] DonLKSAB: How do i get modelines for it?
[20:40:00] DonLKSAB: And is there any nice GUI tool to enable the DVI output on a Nvidia card?
[20:41:00] DonLKSAB: Me and XF86config-4 is not realy friends
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: Well, that setting is in the X config file, so any tool is just gonna edit that
[20:42:00] DonLKSAB: Yes
[20:42:00] DonLKSAB: But i need buttons to click :-)
[20:42:00] GreyFoxx: bah :)
[20:42:00] DonLKSAB: I know
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[20:47:00] ** xris just found out that he's running an unlocked intel cpu... **
[20:47:00] xris: dare I overclock?
[20:47:00] xris: heh
[20:47:00] opello: how did you find that out?
[20:47:00] xris: opello: well, machine has always been slow... was poking around in the bios and kormoc noticed that there were options enabled that shouldn't be.
[20:47:00] xris: and several of them (speed multiplier, etc) were set way too low.
[20:48:00] xris: apparently it's odd that a p4 would be unlocked. I don't know these things.
[20:49:00] opello: ah, me neither
[20:49:00] opello: thought you'd see an 'unlocked' flag in /proc/cpuinfo or something, heh
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: xris: I don't know if it's usefull but I dumped a bunch of info about that nuvexport crash into a doc.
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: xris: And were right. It's missing the aspect and other info
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/nuvexportcrash.txt
[20:51:00] GreyFoxx: It works fine for one show, but not for another. Yet I don't see a specific difference between the two files
[20:51:00] xris: opello: it's a pre-release cpu... much special about it.
[20:51:00] xris: GreyFoxx: yeah.. bunch of people run into the problem, but I haven't figured out how to duplicate it regularly.
[20:51:00] GreyFoxx: Well, I can if there is anything you'd like me to try
[20:52:00] xris: hang on
[20:52:00] xris: wow, my machine is finally acting as fast as it should be.
[20:52:00] GreyFoxx: how long have you had it acting slow ?
[20:53:00] xris: GreyFoxx: mplayer -v -v -v -v -nolirc -nojoystick -vo null -ao null -frames 0 -identify /path/to/file
[20:53:00] GreyFoxx: xris: I hink I'm on to something though
[20:54:00] GreyFoxx: if I attempt to do a show that I have multiple recordings of it works everytime for each recording, BUT if I only have a single recording of that show it fails
[20:54:00] xris: slow... pretty much since I got it. felt like a 1Ghz machine instead of the 3.4 HT it should be.
[20:54:00] fryfrog: anyone have any suggestions on resources or guides for troubleshooting firewire, maybe myth or even lower?
[20:54:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx, seems like what laga reported earlier
[20:54:00] xris: GreyFoxx: weird
[20:54:00] Beirdo: it's not reading that info for single recordings, it seems
[20:55:00] xris: Beirdo: strange, though... I have plenty that fall into that category, though
[20:56:00] Beirdo: yeah, I think I have too, but it does seem consistent with what they were saying earlier
[20:56:00] xris: could be a broken for-loop somewhere, though
[20:56:00] Beirdo: probably
[20:56:00] GreyFoxx: http://pastebin.ca/22920
[20:56:00] GreyFoxx: I just tried them all
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[20:56:00] xris: weird
[20:57:00] Beirdo: seems pretty repeatable
[20:57:00] xris: yeah
[20:57:00] xris: maybe only for dvb files?
[20:57:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: what that ouput from?
[20:57:00] GreyFoxx: All recorded off pvr250's
[20:57:00] mchou: output*
[20:57:00] xris: just tested it on my system and no problems
[20:57:00] xris: GreyFoxx: svn, though, right?
[20:57:00] GreyFoxx: mchou: That's just a screen from nuvexport
[20:57:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[20:57:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: ok.
[20:57:00] xris: guess I need to upgrade, I'm a few weeks old
[20:58:00] Beirdo: someone else musta borked it while we weren't looking
[20:58:00] GreyFoxx: I last used that same nuv export about 2 weeks ago and it worked fine. didn't try again until this morning. My last svn update was last night after chutts commit to use .mpg filenames
[20:59:00] GreyFoxx: though none of those shows are using a .mpg filename
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[21:03:00] xris: GreyFoxx: likely something in svn
[21:03:00] xris: I'll try to upgrade tonight and dig around for a bit.
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[21:05:00] DonLKSAB: How do i figure out HorizSync for a LCD tv?
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[21:07:00] fryfrog: HUHA, sparks from my firewire port!
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[21:08:00] Beirdo: DonLKSAB, I'd start with RTFM
[21:09:00] xris: fryfrog: um, bad.
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[21:10:00] mchou: fryfrog: what kind of firewire chip you got?
[21:11:00] fryfrog: what ever is built into this nforce4 board
[21:11:00] mchou: lspci
[21:11:00] fryfrog: 0000:01:0a.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB82AA2 IEEE-1394b Link Layer Controller (rev 01)
[21:12:00] mchou: ok, that should be a good one :)
[21:12:00] fryfrog: the sparks were from using a firewire port from another system
[21:12:00] mchou: via fw chip is the suck
[21:12:00] mchou: need a kernel patch
[21:12:00] fryfrog: ahhh
[21:13:00] fryfrog: damn, what is the "report port" for firewire?
[21:13:00] mchou: fryfrog: what brand and model is this NF4 mobo?
[21:13:00] fryfrog: i was justing it like 10 sec ago
[21:13:00] fryfrog: hummm
[21:13:00] travolta: how you know if your fw card is a good one or not? mine is 00:0d.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): NEC Corporation: Unknown device 00f2 (rev 01)
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[21:13:00] fryfrog: i think its a gigabyte
[21:13:00] glen: why does mytthv does SELECT NULL queries to database?
[21:13:00] mchou: NEC is good afaik
[21:13:00] fryfrog: i'd have to check newegg to be sure, i have 3 NF4 baords, 2 different types
[21:14:00] mchou: travolta: just dont get via firewire.
[21:14:00] mchou: and there are fw chips that don't have linux drivers......
[21:14:00] glen: and how do i remove files from mythvideo plugin? i moved the mointpoint and it's still giving me old data, even if i answered yes that it would delete all invalid files
[21:14:00] mchou: like ali, iirc.....
[21:14:00] fryfrog: plugreport, that was it
[21:14:00] fryfrog: uh oh, i hope the addon card i bought is supported :)
[21:15:00] GreyFoxx: glen: Some versions of the sql drivers don't handle it well if the sql connection dies. doing the sselect null lets the driver detect the dead connection and reconnect automatically
[21:15:00] fryfrog: crap, the picture on the box says "VIA" on the chip :/
[21:15:00] glen: anyway how to wipe mytvideo plugin settings
[21:15:00] mchou: fryfrog: why? I thought it's throw-away.....
[21:15:00] travolta: mchou, you got any bookmarked sites with info about fw and linux ?
[21:15:00] glen: because i can't seem find a way to remove the files it has scanned
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[21:16:00] mchou: cheap fw cards (<$20) are likely to be based on the via chip
[21:16:00] GreyFoxx: I've never had the plugin not remove them (on the few occassions I bother to scan them into the database)
[21:16:00] glen: and using setup screen it detects missingfiles, but still does not remove them from database
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[21:16:00] mchou: travolta: nope
[21:16:00] GreyFoxx: but you could do it directly in mysql
[21:16:00] glen: GreyFoxx: what table should i wipe?
[21:16:00] GreyFoxx: videometadata;
[21:17:00] GreyFoxx: and I suppose you will want to wipe videometadatacountry and videometadatagenre too
[21:17:00] glen: thanks
[21:17:00] fryfrog: mchou: well, i was hoping to use it in my PC at the tv
[21:18:00] fryfrog: that would let me (if firewire even works) leave the HD DVR crap thing down stairs
[21:18:00] Gumby: anyone out there seen debs that use protocol 17?
[21:18:00] fryfrog: but i can't seem to get the damn thing to do anything useful anyway
[21:18:00] fryfrog: it shows up in "plugreport" but i can't get any actual video out of it
[21:18:00] mchou: fryfrog: that's because of C
[21:18:00] glen: and now how i make it scan for videos in video dir again
[21:18:00] jonK: ubuntu debs, i think, but i could be wrong
[21:18:00] mchou: 5C*
[21:19:00] Chutt: there shouldn't be debs of 17
[21:19:00] mchou: fryfrog: you compute is not a 5C device :)
[21:19:00] mchou: computer*
[21:19:00] fryfrog: but *some* channels should work, no?
[21:19:00] mchou: fryfrog: depends
[21:19:00] mchou: on the STB.....
[21:20:00] mchou: but try PBS first
[21:20:00] fryfrog: ah :/
[21:20:00] Gumby: Chutt: why "shouldnt" there be?
[21:21:00] Chutt: because that protocol version's never been released?
[21:21:00] glen: how do i make mythvideo plugin find the movies? i remember it somehow scanned the directory. tried restarting mythfrontend , nothing
[21:22:00] Chutt: enter the video manager.
[21:22:00] Gumby: Chutt: released how? as in officially? That doesnt stop anyone from making a deb of a CVS
[21:22:00] fryfrog: sir, it does work!
[21:22:00] fryfrog: but not on hd chans i guess
[21:22:00] Gumby: ie: there are protocol 17 rpms out there
[21:22:00] mchou: fryfrog: haha
[21:22:00] Chutt: course not, but why would someone bother with an old checkout?
[21:23:00] glen: Chutt: video manager says no files found
[21:23:00] Gumby: Chutt: so they have gone back to protocol 15? I assumed protocol 17 was "newer" than protocol 15.
[21:23:00] Chutt: gumby, no, anything using 17 is 3 months old or so
[21:23:00] Gumby: Chutt: whats the current protocol?
[21:24:00] Chutt: 18
[21:24:00] Gumby: IC
[21:24:00] Chutt: i don't
[21:24:00] Chutt: who's distributing crappy old cvs checkouts?
[21:24:00] Gumby: mandriva cooker
[21:24:00] Chutt: they're morons
[21:24:00] Chutt: the plf people?
[21:24:00] mchou: lol. cooker is for testing
[21:24:00] Gumby: yeah, the plf people
[21:25:00] Chutt: i asked them 2 months ago to stop doing that
[21:25:00] mchou: cooker is not PLF
[21:25:00] Chutt: and they still haven't fucking listened
[21:25:00] Gumby: mchou: correct. I wasnt thinking.
[21:25:00] mchou: Chutt: and they most likely will remain oblivious
[21:25:00] mchou: cooker is for 8testing*
[21:25:00] Chutt: it's not cooker
[21:25:00] Gumby: mchou: and?
[21:25:00] mchou: so you get mystery pkgs there
[21:26:00] Gumby: mchou: its not a cooker package.
[21:26:00] Gumby: its plf
[21:26:00] mchou: well, plf is run by god knows who.
[21:26:00] mchou: certainly not "official"
[21:26:00] mchou: who knows what crap they use.
[21:30:00] mchou: most times plf doesnt even include source.
[21:30:00] fryfrog: DANN! stupid cable box will only give up 3 hd channels
[21:30:00] fryfrog: what a load of crap
[21:31:00] mchou: fryfrog: what were you expecting??
[21:31:00] mchou: lol
[21:31:00] mchou: 5C is the shits
[21:31:00] fryfrog: thats ghey :(
[21:31:00] fryfrog: now i'm not gonna be able to record hd for my myth :(
[21:32:00] mchou: haha, get a air2pc or some other OTA HDTV card :)
[21:32:00] fryfrog: i wish there was a "turn off gay shit" switch on my box... but its comcast, so they super glue that switch on
[21:32:00] fryfrog: i really wanted Discovery HD
[21:32:00] Wizard_Guest: What HDTV card do you guys reccomend?
[21:32:00] mchou: discovery HD is most likely clear QAM
[21:32:00] mchou: at least at my house it's on clear QAm
[21:33:00] mchou: and I only have basic (analog) :)
[21:34:00] mchou: fryfrog: so a OTA HDTV card should do the trick.....
[21:34:00] mchou: Wizard_Guest: I dont recommend any right now :)
[21:35:00] Wizard_Guest: why do you say that?
[21:35:00] mchou: Wizard_Guest: cause I'm waiting for linux drivers for Fusion 5 :0
[21:36:00] Wizard_Guest: ahh, ok
[21:37:00] fryfrog: mchou: what OTA HDTV card do you use?
[21:37:00] mchou: air2pc right now
[21:37:00] mchou: but I dont recommend it (the older version)
[21:38:00] mchou: QAM support is borked.
[21:38:00] mchou: the new version just theoretically shipped
[21:38:00] fryfrog: and thats the "fusion 5"?
[21:38:00] mchou: after a 3 month delay.
[21:39:00] mchou: nope
[21:39:00] mchou: Fusion 5 is made by a fifferent company
[21:39:00] mchou: so is avermedia a180
[21:39:00] fryfrog: ahh
[21:39:00] mchou: avermedia is $90 and works in linux now
[21:40:00] fryfrog: whelp, there it is!
[21:40:00] mchou: specs look decent on paper
[21:40:00] fryfrog: channels don't change though :/
[21:40:00] mchou: but still only 4th gen tuner
[21:40:00] fryfrog: i wonder if there is something myth i can change to make it work, since the 6200 script can change em?
[21:40:00] mchou: fryfrog: change what?
[21:41:00] fryfrog: change channels, sorry
[21:41:00] mchou: change your 3 channels? :)
[21:41:00] mchou: hehe
[21:41:00] fryfrog: well
[21:41:00] fryfrog: i didn't test the other 200+ "digital" channels
[21:42:00] fryfrog: 2005-09–14 15:41:44.326 FireWireChannel: internal channel changer only supported by DCT-6200 models
[21:42:00] fryfrog: oh, i know, external script! :)
[21:42:00] mchou: hehe, answers your q, no?
[21:42:00] fryfrog: well, the 6200 and 6400 are supposed to be very similar
[21:43:00] mchou: lol
[21:43:00] fryfrog: and the 6200 script DOES change the channels
[21:43:00] fryfrog: so i'll just use that
[21:45:00] ** NightBird attempts to download and install nuvexport.. **
[21:47:00] NightBird: hm... how do I go about installing it?
[21:47:00] NightBird: probably make, and then make install?
[21:50:00] GreyFoxx: just make install I believe
[21:50:00] NightBird: hm... ok...
[21:51:00] mchou: anyone here happen to have a MSI K8N Neo2 platinum?
[21:52:00] NightBird: hm... compilation failed?
[21:52:00] NightBird: "Compilation failed in require at /usr/lcoal/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm line 16.
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[21:53:00] fryfrog: bah, the crapcast box seems to block all but 3 digital channels, they suck
[21:54:00] mchou: fryfrog: haha
[21:54:00] mchou: it's not only cumcast
[21:54:00] mchou: it applies to any STB
[21:54:00] fryfrog: has directv launched their tivo replacement + mpeg4 yet?
[21:54:00] mchou: lol
[21:55:00] mchou: how does that help?
[21:55:00] fryfrog: cause thats what i'm waiting for to get directv :)
[21:55:00] NightBird: ...hm...
[21:55:00] fryfrog: i've no real "attachment" to myth, *if* their system is any good
[21:55:00] mchou: you wont be able to record any channels digitally on myth with D*
[21:56:00] fryfrog: no no, i mean i'll happily use *their* dvr system *if* its decent
[21:56:00] mchou: with cumcast you at least get 3 channels
[21:56:00] fryfrog: my demands are low enough that myth is kind of overkill
[21:56:00] mchou: D* you get 0.
[21:56:00] mchou: you do the math.
[21:56:00] fryfrog: DTV i get 0, in myth
[21:56:00] fryfrog: but with DTV's own DVR, i ahve to assume it'll record
[21:56:00] fryfrog: (on its *own* dvr, not myth)
[21:57:00] mchou: not if you get a QAM capable OTA card :)
[21:57:00] fryfrog: QAM OTA just covers cable's HD channels
[21:57:00] fryfrog: which is only like 10 total
[21:57:00] fryfrog: only about 6 of which i care about
[21:57:00] mchou: well, check out D* then
[21:57:00] fryfrog: (inhd, inhd2, espnhd can suke my penix and i doubt i get hbohd etc
[21:58:00] fryfrog: but... i'd love to GET hbo hd :)
[21:58:00] mchou: but afaik they dont have mpeg4 stb yet.
[21:58:00] fryfrog: what i was really hoping for was to use cumcast's crapdvr to simply record chans 100–500 ish
[21:58:00] mchou: not that I keep track of such things
[21:58:00] DonLKSAB: Doh
[21:58:00] fryfrog: though i can use svideo if i want
[21:59:00] DonLKSAB: How to get a Nvidia card to output 1280x768?
[21:59:00] fryfrog: damn you comcrap!
[21:59:00] ** NightBird installs vlc **
[21:59:00] DonLKSAB: It dosent like the wide settings
[22:03:00] NightBird: yeay for easy installation...
[22:03:00] ** NightBird goes back to trying to get myhmkmovie to install.. **
[22:05:00] DonLKSAB: Anyone here have a nvidia card?
[22:05:00] NightBird: I do
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[22:05:00] DonLKSAB: In your linux machine?
[22:05:00] Twiggy: Hey I'm having trouble on ubuntu with mythmusic, I apt-getted it but it's not coming up on my frontend. any ideas?
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[22:35:00] zuralin: restart the frontend?
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[22:48:00] Sneaker__: mythcommflag is the task that flags commercials?
[22:49:00] Sneaker__: Is it always on?
[22:49:00] Sneaker__: its hogging my cpu time even when there is no commercials on
[22:50:00] kormoc: it has to figure out when the commercials start, it's not magic
[22:50:00] Chutt: i thought it was magic :(
[22:51:00] kormoc: heh
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[23:09:00] nuonguy: skipping commercials looks like magic to me...
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[23:31:00] GreyFoxx: Man, is it me or does linux1394.org have the most unreliable dns setup out there? Half the itme I try to get at it the primary DNS server isn't responding and the secondary doesn't know about the domain *sigh*
[23:32:00] sskk: Where do I get the perl libs? I need to run the ptune.pl scripts (i'm on fedora)
[23:33:00] Kite-: how long does it usually take to do a one hour show in nuvexport using mpeg->mpeg ? (i have a 2ghz p4)
[23:33:00] fryfrog: is that a firewire in linux site?
[23:33:00] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: yes
[23:33:00] GreyFoxx: It's where the libraries are from
[23:33:00] fryfrog: ahhh
[23:33:00] GreyFoxx: I'm downlading one of the libraries to setup firewire on my mythbox
[23:34:00] fryfrog: you guys hear/read about the release of Gallery 2.0 ? :)
[23:34:00] GreyFoxx: or I should say, enabling firewire recording through myht
[23:34:00] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: oh, what do you have to plug into it?
[23:34:00] GreyFoxx: I don't lknow what that is :)
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[23:34:00] fryfrog: a cam corder?
[23:34:00] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: Just my digital cam
[23:34:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[23:34:00] fryfrog: photo album software
[23:34:00] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: Ahhh
[23:34:00] fryfrog: i finally got my cumcast DVR "working"
[23:34:00] GreyFoxx: I wrote my own
[23:35:00] kormoc: gallery 2.0 seems really rockin, I loved 1.x
[23:35:00] fryfrog: i finally got my cumcast DVR working ~1–81 and like 3 HD chans
[23:35:00] fryfrog: out of about "500"
[23:35:00] fryfrog: bitches
[23:35:00] fryfrog: http://codex.gallery2.org/index.php/G1-G2_Comparison
[23:35:00] fryfrog: i wrote that article, i'm quite proud of it ;)
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[23:43:00] FITH: Yeah, I think I'll be moving my gallery (~5000-ish photos) to 2.0 when they get the "auto-rotate based on EXIF" code going
[23:44:00] xris: wow. my mail server is currently running a load of around 50.
[23:45:00] Krazylegz: xris: That's my fault. Don't check your email for a little while........penis enlargement.....
[23:45:00] FITH: Heh, if it's like mine one of your friends probably just found the joy of mailing 10mb audio/visual jokes to one of your mailing lists
[23:45:00] xris: looks like maybe I'm getting hit by googlebot or something.
[23:47:00] xris: yup. stop apache and it goes back to being friendly.
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[23:50:00] schtinky: has anyone else had trouble compiling lirc_gpio on kernel 2.6? I'm trying to with a leadtek winfast 2000 and keep getting configure error about "you need kernel sources" when trying to compile 0.7.1 (lirc) when I have kernel-devel obviously installed via rpm... any help would be appreciated
[23:56:00] Tanthrix: Is kernel-devel the same as kernel-source?
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[23:58:00] schtinky: I think s
[23:58:00] schtinky: I couldn't find any kernel-source rpms for fedora core 3
[23:59:00] schtinky: hmmm something I just found says it should be kernel-<version>.src.rpm from fc3 on
[23:59:00] schtinky: I'll try that

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