| Wednesday, September 7th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
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| [00:01:00] | nuonguy: | banyan: juk is my favourite mp3 player |
| [00:01:00] | nuonguy: | That maybe |
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| [00:04:00] | chacon: | wow |
| [00:05:00] | chacon: | hey anyone using mythstreamtv??? |
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| [00:07:00] | chacon: | damn |
| [00:07:00] | chacon: | anyone know if there is a irc room for mythstreamtv? |
| [00:07:00] | Krazylegz: | I tried to set it up once. |
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| [00:08:00] | chacon: | i got video to work.. |
| [00:08:00] | chacon: | but no sound and was wondering if anyone else had any luck |
| [00:08:00] | chacon: | .. |
| [00:08:00] | Krazylegz: | How are you trying to view it? |
| [00:08:00] | chacon: | ? |
| [00:09:00] | chacon: | what do you mean? |
| [00:09:00] | Krazylegz: | Where are you streaming it to? |
| [00:10:00] | chacon: | i trying to view it with windows media player mplayer VLC |
| [00:10:00] | chacon: | almost all video players that support http |
| [00:10:00] | Krazylegz: | None have audio? |
| [00:10:00] | chacon: | nope |
| [00:10:00] | chacon: | i get this |
| [00:10:00] | chacon: | [00000225] main interface: creating httpd |
| [00:10:00] | chacon: | [00000241] mpeg_audio packetizer: MPGA channels:2 samplerate:48000 bitrate:384 |
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| [00:10:00] | chacon: | [00000243] ffmpeg encoder error: cannot find encoder MPEG Audio layer 1/2/3 |
| [00:10:00] | chacon: | [00000230] stream_out_transcode private error: cannot find encoder |
| [00:10:00] | Krazylegz: | That would have been helpful to mention earlier. :-) |
| [00:10:00] | chacon: | just wondering it anyone else came across this problem |
| [00:11:00] | dmz: | hey...i'm trying to watch encoded dvd's via networked system, however nfs doesn't like > 2gig files. any suggestions? |
| [00:12:00] | chacon: | dmz: using mythtv? |
| [00:12:00] | chacon: | i mean mythvideo |
| [00:12:00] | Krazylegz: | dmz: How about using something like FUSE instead of NFS maybe? |
| [00:12:00] | chacon: | wtf is ping ping? |
| [00:13:00] | chacon: | ping pong |
| [00:13:00] | Krazylegz: | You don't know what ping pong is? |
| [00:13:00] | LedHed: | thats odd. I view my ripped DVD from a NFS share. and they are all larger than 4gb.. |
| [00:13:00] | chacon: | i keep seeing that in my irc programs's console |
| [00:13:00] | chacon: | i keep seeing ping brown.freenode.net chacon |
| [00:13:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh. |
| [00:13:00] | chacon: | pong brown.freenode.net |
| [00:14:00] | Chutt: | nfs does large files just fine. |
| [00:14:00] | Krazylegz: | I thought NFS did too. |
| [00:14:00] | LedHed: | isnt that what we just said? |
| [00:15:00] | chacon: | maybe its some nfs settings?? |
| [00:15:00] | chacon: | export settings |
| [00:15:00] | Krazylegz: | chacon: Did you get my PM? |
| [00:15:00] | chacon: | how do i resigter? |
| [00:16:00] | chacon: | yeah |
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| [00:16:00] | chacon: | but somethng about not being registered |
| [00:16:00] | LedHed: | google: freenode register nick |
| [00:16:00] | chacon: | ok |
| [00:17:00] | chacon: | i remember this |
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| [00:22:00] | jono: | hi |
| [00:23:00] | jono: | is there a recommended video compression board for use with mythtv? |
| [00:23:00] | Krazylegz: | Haha. |
| [00:24:00] | LedHed: | jono, there are many |
| [00:24:00] | dmz: | Krazylegz i'll check it out |
| [00:24:00] | chacon: | yeah |
| [00:24:00] | chacon: | use pvr-150 |
| [00:24:00] | chacon: | 250 |
| [00:24:00] | chacon: | 350 |
| [00:24:00] | jono: | is there any hardware which is particularly good? |
| [00:24:00] | LedHed: | jono, hauppauge pvr-150,250,500 |
| [00:24:00] | jono: | chacon, which manufacturer? |
| [00:24:00] | LedHed: | hauppauge |
| [00:24:00] | chacon: | yup |
| [00:24:00] | jono: | cool |
| [00:24:00] | Krazylegz: | dmz: I believe FUSE gives you more options like FTP, SSH, etc. That will only help if your problem if NFS, though. |
| [00:25:00] | chacon: | i currently use a pvr350 |
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| [00:25:00] | jono: | so is the pvr-350 the best to use? |
| [00:26:00] | dmz: | i believe it's nfs |
| [00:26:00] | jono: | chacon, so does that recieve tv as well as encode mpeg? |
| [00:26:00] | chacon: | yes |
| [00:26:00] | dmz: | nfsd[5707]: non-standard errno: 75 (Value too large for defined data type) |
| [00:27:00] | LedHed: | juno, the 350 is good if you want to do tv-out from the same card. but it cant output Games and such |
| [00:27:00] | chacon: | the nice thing about the 350 is that it has a HW encoder and de-coder |
| [00:27:00] | jono: | chacon, so would I plug my sky box (satallite tv) into the pvr-350? |
| [00:27:00] | chacon: | so less cpu usage for play back |
| [00:27:00] | chacon: | :D |
| [00:27:00] | jono: | LedHed, cant output games? |
| [00:27:00] | chacon: | no |
| [00:27:00] | chacon: | whoops |
| [00:28:00] | chacon: | wrong window |
| [00:28:00] | jono: | heh |
| [00:28:00] | LedHed: | jono, mythtv is more than a Tivo. It is also a Game frontend, DVD Jukebox, etc.... |
| [00:28:00] | jono: | LedHed, yes I know, but what do you mean it cant do games? as in, it doesnt do video accelleration? |
| [00:28:00] | LedHed: | jono, the PVR-350 won't do OpenGL |
| [00:29:00] | chacon: | use an nvidia card with tv-out for that |
| [00:29:00] | LedHed: | nvidia + pvr-250 |
| [00:30:00] | chacon: | yes |
| [00:30:00] | chacon: | good choice |
| [00:30:00] | jono: | LedHed, right |
| [00:30:00] | jono: | how is the 250 different to the 350? |
| [00:30:00] | chacon: | 250 has no tv out |
| [00:30:00] | chacon: | no de-coder |
| [00:30:00] | LedHed: | 250 = 350 less tv-out |
| [00:31:00] | chacon: | dont forget HW de-coder |
| [00:31:00] | chacon: | all the pvrX50 line has a HW encoder. |
| [00:31:00] | chacon: | the only one with TV-out and HW de-coder is the pvr350 |
| [00:32:00] | LedHed: | the pvr-150 & 500 are new and have more bugs with the IVTV driver... |
| [00:32:00] | Tanthrix: | as long as you don't have a really slow computer, nvidia + pvr150/250 is the way to go, the 150 being less supported at this time |
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| [00:32:00] | LedHed: | the PVR-350 does have better TV out Quality then the nVidia cards... |
| [00:33:00] | jono: | is opengl acceleration needed for mythtv? |
| [00:33:00] | chacon: | no |
| [00:33:00] | LedHed: | not necessary, but it is used for the Onscreen displays and such. but you can do with out OGL |
| [00:33:00] | chacon: | the tv-out quality is about the same... |
| [00:33:00] | jono: | is the tv quality of the 250 hdtv quality? |
| [00:33:00] | Tanthrix: | It is nice though if you are not using the hardware 350 decoder |
| [00:33:00] | chacon: | no HD |
| [00:33:00] | Tanthrix: | reduces tearing |
| [00:34:00] | chacon: | i tried using an nvidia card VS a pvr350 |
| [00:34:00] | banyan: | I didn't have much luck with my nvidia to my TV. |
| [00:34:00] | jono: | is the 350 hdtv quality? |
| [00:34:00] | Tanthrix: | for video timing, have to compile with support though |
| [00:34:00] | chacon: | and the pvr350 played smoother.. |
| [00:34:00] | LedHed: | jono, HDTV doesnt need an engover because it is already in mpeg2 format. You just need a capture card.... |
| [00:34:00] | chacon: | DOOD |
| [00:34:00] | banyan: | The 350 does not output hdtv. |
| [00:34:00] | jono: | right |
| [00:34:00] | jono: | sorry guys, I am quite new to this |
| [00:34:00] | Tanthrix: | nvidia drivers are a piece of cake these days, if you don't have a monitor on the same card, you should have to do nearly zero conf to get it working |
| [00:34:00] | banyan: | I tried the HDSC or whatever that funky connector is, got nothing viewable. |
| [00:34:00] | jono: | mythtv looks awesome :) |
| [00:34:00] | ** LedHed man I cant type... encoder.. ;) ** | |
| [00:35:00] | banyan: | And the svideo output just didnt look good at all. |
| [00:35:00] | jono: | so is it better to use tv out on the 350 or on an nvidia card, or doesnt it matter? |
| [00:35:00] | chacon: | for HD go here |
| [00:35:00] | chacon: | http://www.pchdtv.com/ |
| [00:35:00] | banyan: | As opposed to the 350's output which is quite clean and good. |
| [00:35:00] | LedHed: | jono, depends on the hardware |
| [00:36:00] | jono: | so my tv plugs into the 350, but I am just wondering if the output from my mythtv box will be as good quality as the output from my sky box? |
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| [00:36:00] | banyan: | Let me put it this way, jono — you won't be disappointed with the 350's TV out. But with a video card, it's very much "your mileage may vary" |
| [00:36:00] | LedHed: | jono. it will not! |
| [00:36:00] | jono: | hmmm |
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| [00:36:00] | LedHed: | dont expect it to look like "Real TV" |
| [00:36:00] | jono: | so I am gonna take a drop in quality |
| [00:36:00] | LedHed: | yes |
| [00:37:00] | jono: | LedHed, really? |
| [00:37:00] | LedHed: | yes |
| [00:37:00] | jono: | how much worse is it? |
| [00:37:00] | Tanthrix: | With analog to digital conversation, there is no perfect |
| [00:37:00] | LedHed: | people may disagree with me. but its true. Tivo/ReplayTV have much better quality |
| [00:38:00] | jono: | could anyone take a photo or screenshot of their mythtv output? |
| [00:38:00] | LedHed: | its not the capture that is bad. its the TV-out/playback |
| [00:38:00] | LedHed: | jono, that wont help. you have to see it in action... |
| [00:38:00] | Tanthrix: | aye |
| [00:38:00] | jono: | is there any card that is as good as real tv? |
| [00:39:00] | abarbaccia: | jono, my tv looks like real tV |
| [00:39:00] | chacon: | ? |
| [00:39:00] | chacon: | mine too |
| [00:39:00] | LedHed: | there are jitters, and screen tearing, interlace issues, most of which can be adjusted. but it will never look as good as "Real TV" |
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| [00:39:00] | jono: | hmmm |
| [00:39:00] | chacon: | my recordings look fine. |
| [00:39:00] | abarbaccia: | LedHed, i have to disagree |
| [00:39:00] | Chutt: | there's screen tearing? |
| [00:39:00] | Chutt: | interlace issues? |
| [00:39:00] | jono: | is there any videos online of mythtv in action? |
| [00:40:00] | LedHed: | Chutt, I have had in the past. Tearing is resolved now... |
| [00:40:00] | Chutt: | jitter, sure, if you have a less capable video card, but you shouldn't _ever_ get tearing or interlacing |
| [00:40:00] | chacon: | but since its like a tivo and it has to buffer the incoming video there is always a bit of delay.. |
| [00:40:00] | chacon: | like when chaniing channels |
| [00:40:00] | Tanthrix: | Jono: You have to see one n person. YOu can't watch a video of a video.. |
| [00:40:00] | abarbaccia: | Tanthrix, someone could try to send him a clip of their recordings |
| [00:40:00] | chacon: | haha |
| [00:40:00] | abarbaccia: | jono, are you goign with HD or SD? |
| [00:40:00] | chacon: | you can connect to my stream |
| [00:40:00] | jono: | abarbaccia, whatever skytv is |
| [00:40:00] | chacon: | no sound tho.. |
| [00:40:00] | Tanthrix: | Yes, but unless he has a video card setup to play it back on his TV, he's not going to know what it's like.. |
| [00:41:00] | chacon: | skytv? isnt that UK ?? |
| [00:41:00] | jono: | chacon, cool, where do I connect? |
| [00:41:00] | jono: | chacon, yes |
| [00:41:00] | LedHed: | Chutt, its hard to describe. But when I watch the exact same content on my ReplayTV. The is a big difference... |
| [00:41:00] | Chutt: | video problems aren't hard to describe |
| [00:41:00] | jono: | anyone here in the uk? |
| [00:42:00] | SqWaw: | Okay, so i've got some skippy video... about every second it like pauses for a tenth of a second... any ideas? |
| [00:42:00] | LedHed: | Chutt, the best way I can describe it is lag with slight jitter... |
| [00:42:00] | banyan: | You will theoretically see less quality in the output. |
| [00:43:00] | Chutt: | lag? |
| [00:43:00] | jono: | is xmltv used for the tv listings? |
| [00:43:00] | Chutt: | have you measured the amount of jitter? |
| [00:43:00] | chacon: | http://echacon.dyndns.org:8001/ |
| [00:43:00] | banyan: | From the system versus from live TV. I will say that the main place I see this is that the captured video exaggerates noise in the input. |
| [00:43:00] | LedHed: | Chutt, I dont have the problems with DVD rips played through Myth |
| [00:43:00] | chacon: | paste that into a media player |
| [00:43:00] | chacon: | like mplayer |
| [00:43:00] | LedHed: | Chutt, how? |
| [00:43:00] | SqWaw: | like "." = playing and "|" = pause, so then it'd be like: ....|....|....|....|....|....|... |
| [00:43:00] | SqWaw: | etc. |
| [00:43:00] | chacon: | windows media oplayer may die |
| [00:43:00] | Chutt: | uh, -verbose playback |
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| [00:44:00] | Chutt: | are you using the opengl vsync stuff? |
| [00:44:00] | LedHed: | never tried it... |
| [00:44:00] | jono: | connecting |
| [00:44:00] | jono: | I see it |
| [00:44:00] | LedHed: | I had trouble with the OGL vsync. so I disabled it. |
| [00:44:00] | jono: | can you flick through some mythtv features |
| [00:44:00] | banyan: | Practically speaking, can a person expect to watch TV remotely over a WAN? |
| [00:44:00] | chacon: | flick? |
| [00:44:00] | banyan: | with SSL? |
| [00:44:00] | LedHed: | jono, go to the mythtv.org site |
| [00:44:00] | chacon: | sure why not |
| [00:44:00] | Chutt: | so, you're complaining about jitter, and you've disabled the best way to get jitter free video |
| [00:45:00] | Chutt: | that's wonderful |
| [00:45:00] | chacon: | i was just watching my stream |
| [00:45:00] | jono: | chacon, use the features, like the tv guide |
| [00:45:00] | chacon: | some slowdowns |
| [00:45:00] | banyan: | I'm just thinking that the bandwidth you get varies from moment to moment. |
| [00:45:00] | chacon: | not bad tho |
| [00:45:00] | jono: | hmmm it keeps buffering |
| [00:45:00] | chacon: | i mostly use the web guide |
| [00:45:00] | LedHed: | Chutt, its more than just jutter. And I tried the OGL VSync. it didnt change anything on 1 frontend and I couldnt get it to compile on the other.... |
| [00:45:00] | chacon: | not the actual on screen guide |
| [00:45:00] | jono: | oh right |
| [00:46:00] | Chutt: | if it didn't change anything, it didn't work |
| [00:46:00] | jono: | can you turn on the screen guide |
| [00:46:00] | banyan: | Does remote viewing on a Windows PC require any extra setup on the backend? |
| [00:46:00] | Chutt: | ledhed, sounds like you can't even explain what you're bitching about |
| [00:46:00] | chacon: | HAHA |
| [00:46:00] | LedHed: | i wasnt bitching |
| [00:46:00] | Chutt: | yes, you were |
| [00:46:00] | LedHed: | no need to get your feelings hurt... |
| [00:46:00] | Chutt: | you were telling people that the picture quality is worse than other stuff |
| [00:46:00] | Chutt: | and you don't even have the stuff enabled to make it better |
| [00:46:00] | LedHed: | it is worse than my ReplayTV |
| [00:47:00] | chacon: | most of the time i watch TV from my laptop OS X has a mythtv frontend app |
| [00:47:00] | jono: | oh right |
| [00:47:00] | Chutt: | because you have the stuff turned off to make it look nicer |
| [00:47:00] | LedHed: | I'll try the OGL VSync and get back to you... |
| [00:47:00] | jono: | is xmltv used for the tv listings? |
| [00:47:00] | Chutt: | that's one option |
| [00:48:00] | LedHed: | I doubt that thats it, because I dont have the problems with DVD's |
| [00:48:00] | jono: | hmmm |
| [00:48:00] | Chutt: | choice of deinterlacing algorithm and if you use a denoising filter will also have an impact |
| [00:48:00] | chacon: | ... |
| [00:48:00] | LedHed: | I have best results with de-interlacing disabled, and using the nVidia filter |
| [00:49:00] | jono: | how does surround sound work with mythtv, can I still use my surround sound system? |
| [00:49:00] | LedHed: | jono, yes |
| [00:49:00] | Chutt: | the 'nvidia filter'? |
| [00:49:00] | LedHed: | in nvsettings |
| [00:49:00] | Chutt: | the flicker filter? |
| [00:49:00] | LedHed: | ya |
| [00:49:00] | Chutt: | ok, no wonder |
| [00:49:00] | Chutt: | do you even know what that does? |
| [00:50:00] | LedHed: | it blurs it to disguise the interlacing |
| [00:50:00] | Chutt: | it drops your tv out resolution quite a bit, and lowers the framerate |
| [00:50:00] | Chutt: | it doesn't 'blur' anything |
| [00:50:00] | jono: | LedHed, do I need a special sound card or anything? |
| [00:50:00] | LedHed: | jono, anything that can output 5.1 |
| [00:51:00] | jono: | LedHed, does a 5.1 card have the white and red photo outputs? |
| [00:51:00] | LedHed: | no usually an optical out |
| [00:51:00] | jono: | I am not bothered about having a card that I plug all my speakers into, just a card that I can plug into my surround seperate |
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| [00:52:00] | LedHed: | jono, the SB audigy has optical 5.1 output |
| [00:52:00] | Chutt: | it also has a line out, which you can hook up to a stereo |
| [00:52:00] | Chutt: | since if you're just recording analog tv, all you need is prologic |
| [00:52:00] | jono: | my surround box only takes in two phonos – one red and one white |
| [00:53:00] | jono: | Chutt, my tv is digital tv |
| [00:53:00] | LedHed: | Chutt, just curious, can you describe your TV-out settings? |
| [00:53:00] | Chutt: | flicker filter off, overscan at 240 or so |
| [00:53:00] | Chutt: | when i was using the tv out, at least |
| [00:53:00] | Chutt: | i haven't used that in almost a year now |
| [00:54:00] | LedHed: | did you use deinterlacing? |
| [00:54:00] | Chutt: | of course |
| [00:54:00] | jono: | oh the pvr-350 includes a remote control? |
| [00:54:00] | LedHed: | what card did you tv-out from? |
| [00:55:00] | SqWaw: | Anyone here have a 40in Sony....? If so... Wanna give me your xorg.conf? |
| [00:55:00] | Chutt: | a 5200 |
| [00:55:00] | LedHed: | jono, many of the PVR-x50 come with remotes |
| [00:55:00] | nuonguy: | I'm gonna put in a plug for an alternative to the remote control: the mediapilot: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.pr . . . ct_Id=196807 |
| [00:55:00] | Chutt: | heh, that's rather cumbersome |
| [00:56:00] | jono: | LedHed, are the remotes any good? |
| [00:56:00] | LedHed: | Chutt, thanks, I'll try the OpenGL VSync again.. Thanks... |
| [00:56:00] | Chutt: | and turn the flicker filter waaay down |
| [00:56:00] | LedHed: | jono, no |
| [00:56:00] | Chutt: | if not off |
| [00:56:00] | LedHed: | I havent always used the flicker filter. just rescently.... |
| [00:56:00] | Chutt: | ideally, it'd be on in the menus, and completely off during video playback |
| [00:57:00] | nuonguy: | Chutt: You might be right about cumbersome: my mythtv setup isn't finished yet. |
| [00:57:00] | LedHed: | jono, look at a ReplayTV or Tivo remote. they work well |
| [00:57:00] | nuonguy: | But, I really want only one remote control |
| [00:58:00] | Chutt: | my new harmony 880 works pretty nicely =) |
| [00:58:00] | Chutt: | even has settings for the hauppauge remotes |
| [00:58:00] | nuonguy: | Well that's cool |
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| [01:00:00] | jono: | is the picture of the 350 remote? |
| [01:02:00] | soi-disant: | can I use my tivo remote with lirc? |
| [01:02:00] | banyan: | chacon: what are the requirements for getting the remote playback to work? Does the remote PC just have to be able to access the required ports on the backend? |
| [01:02:00] | LedHed: | I cant spent $250 on a remote. I throw them at the TV too much.... |
| [01:03:00] | Krazylegz: | "Television, a medium. So called because it is neither rare nor well done." — Ernie Kovacs |
| [01:03:00] | banyan: | soi, sure, if your computer has an lirc-compatible receiver that works with the Tivo remote. |
| [01:03:00] | LedHed: | soi-disant, just build the Homebrew LIRC Serial reciever. cost about $12 |
| [01:03:00] | jono: | so can I map the remote buttons so I can control different bits of mythtv with the same remote – such as control the music bit, the tv channels and the dvd player? |
| [01:04:00] | soi-disant: | hmm... so the snapstream remote, reciever and the hauppauge ir receiver will not? |
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| [01:04:00] | LedHed: | you can map some buttons. If you want complete control. Get the ReplayTV remote. Its a JP1 remote. |
| [01:04:00] | LedHed: | you can reprogram the remote itself. |
| [01:05:00] | jono: | right |
| [01:05:00] | LedHed: | soi-disant, I dont think you can use the Tivo remote with the hauppauge IR Recievers... |
| [01:06:00] | jono: | do I use lirc with the hauppauge control? |
| [01:06:00] | LedHed: | soi-disant, it will work with the Homebrew LIRC reciever.... |
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| [01:06:00] | LedHed: | jono, yes. you use Lirc for any remote input |
| [01:06:00] | jono: | right |
| [01:06:00] | jono: | is the pvr-350 a half height pci board? |
| [01:07:00] | LedHed: | no |
| [01:07:00] | LedHed: | I think there are low profile PVR-150 though |
| [01:07:00] | jono: | right |
| [01:07:00] | jono: | does the dvd ripping and playing work ok in mythtv? |
| [01:08:00] | jono: | sorry for all the questions, you guys are really helping :) |
| [01:08:00] | LedHed: | I only use my MythTV as a DVD Jukebox, its that good. |
| [01:09:00] | LedHed: | sometimes the kids record cartoons also. but 95% DVD stuff |
| [01:09:00] | jono: | you ripped all your dvds? |
| [01:09:00] | LedHed: | no comment |
| [01:09:00] | jono: | heh |
| [01:10:00] | jnc: | how do i know if lirc is working |
| [01:10:00] | banyan: | LedHed, have you built an IR transmitter by any chance? |
| [01:10:00] | jnc: | i had 'irrecord' operational once |
| [01:10:00] | jono: | I assume some pretty big hard disks are needed |
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| [01:10:00] | jnc: | trying to run irw did not work, i think |
| [01:10:00] | LedHed: | banyan, yes 4 of them |
| [01:10:00] | soi-disant: | when you press the remote button do things happen? |
| [01:10:00] | jnc: | i don't know as i have never made it work |
| [01:10:00] | soi-disant: | if not, it's probably not working |
| [01:10:00] | banyan: | I have a digital box that the cable company won't let me the use the serial port on. So I was considering building or buying an IR transmitter. |
| [01:10:00] | LedHed: | jnc, run irw |
| [01:10:00] | jnc: | LedHed: oh. irw runs and then quits. that's it |
| [01:11:00] | jnc: | i'm running it from an xterm |
| [01:11:00] | jnc: | if i try to run it again, it fails |
| [01:11:00] | jnc: | am i doing something bad? |
| [01:11:00] | banyan: | I take it the usual IR dongles that people buy to communicate with laptops and palm pilots won't do the trick as an IR transmitter... |
| [01:11:00] | LedHed: | jnc, then something is wrong. do you have a lircd.conf file? |
| [01:11:00] | jono: | can you get a infrared joystick for mythgame? |
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| [01:12:00] | LedHed: | banyan, sorry, I havent made a transmitter. only a reciever... |
| [01:12:00] | jnc: | LedHed: yep. everything looks about correct, i had to hack the debian source package to enable the lirc_atiusb module, and that's all loaded. irrecord works |
| [01:12:00] | jnc: | LedHed: i can run irrecord and it responds to the remote |
| [01:12:00] | LedHed: | but irw crashes? |
| [01:12:00] | jnc: | apparently so |
| [01:12:00] | LedHed: | strange. |
| [01:12:00] | LedHed: | well if irrecord is working then lirc is working.. |
| [01:12:00] | jnc: | i'm not at the box right now, i'm out at a job waiting for my fellow technician to wrap up with the client |
| [01:12:00] | jnc: | :) |
| [01:13:00] | jnc: | oh |
| [01:13:00] | jnc: | how about the ~/.mythtv/lircrc ? |
| [01:13:00] | jnc: | should that be for program 'mythtv' or 'irxevent' |
| [01:13:00] | LedHed: | what about it? |
| [01:13:00] | jnc: | i don't understand that part |
| [01:13:00] | LedHed: | for mythtv |
| [01:13:00] | jnc: | if it's for mythtv, does it also function for mythfrontend? |
| [01:14:00] | LedHed: | .lircrc is the mapping for mythtv |
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| [01:14:00] | jnc: | time to go |
| [01:14:00] | LedHed: | jnc, yes it is for the frontend. |
| [01:14:00] | JeffH_: | a friend of mine was talking about some Linux setup that is the hub of security/entertainment/automation in a house.. anyone know what he might have been talking about? It wasn't myth-tv.. but he did say this could interface to that. |
| [01:14:00] | jono: | anyone used mythphone? |
| [01:15:00] | LedHed: | jono, not yet |
| [01:15:00] | LedHed: | JeffH_, try searching sourceforge |
| [01:15:00] | JeffH_: | good idea.. thanks. |
| [01:15:00] | LedHed: | or freshmeator freshmeat.net |
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| [01:16:00] | LedHed: | my typing skills are going out the window |
| [01:16:00] | procyon: | hello i am using a wintv-pvr 250 and in the video is very poor |
| [01:16:00] | procyon: | any ideas ? |
| [01:16:00] | JeffH_: | Can myth tv be used with just the tv speakers? or would I need to buy some external speakers? |
| [01:16:00] | godsmoke_: | well, have you verified that it's the card, and not the signal, procyon ? |
| [01:16:00] | LedHed: | JeffH_, does your tv have stereo inputs? |
| [01:16:00] | procyon: | no, but some of it seems artifacts of encoding |
| [01:16:00] | JeffH_: | not sure. |
| [01:17:00] | godsmoke_: | JeffH_: mythtv is just output — plug it into anything you want |
| [01:17:00] | procyon: | but it also can be mplayer dropping frames |
| [01:17:00] | godsmoke_: | procyon: well ... differentiate the two |
| [01:17:00] | LedHed: | JeffH_, worse case you use a rf converter... |
| [01:17:00] | godsmoke_: | (use a higher bitrate encoding to test signal quality) |
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| [01:17:00] | procyon: | well, mplayer is using 100% cpu |
| [01:18:00] | procyon: | which seems odd |
| [01:18:00] | godsmoke_: | the 250 is a hardware encoder |
| [01:18:00] | JeffH_: | I think once I get into my house that I'm buying later this month I'll put together a Myth box. |
| [01:18:00] | jono: | are people always hacking on new modules for mythtv? is there anything cool in the pipeline? |
| [01:18:00] | godsmoke_: | unless your computer is so slow that it can't display video without that CPU usage |
| [01:19:00] | procyon: | i player higher res mpegs at lower cpu usage |
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| [01:19:00] | procyon: | (iirc) |
| [01:19:00] | godsmoke_: | well, that's fine — I'm just saying, it's not like your computer is encoding the video |
| [01:19:00] | LedHed: | jono, checkout mythtv.info |
| [01:19:00] | procyon: | right |
| [01:19:00] | procyon: | well im saying |
| [01:19:00] | godsmoke_: | there's no reason for your cpu usage to be that high from playing a video |
| [01:20:00] | procyon: | it seems odd that mplayer should use so much cpu, which if it was dropping frames would give choppy video |
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| [01:20:00] | godsmoke_: | yes, that's obvious |
| [01:20:00] | godsmoke_: | have you tried other video players? |
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| [01:21:00] | procyon: | no |
| [01:21:00] | procyon: | only have mplayer installed |
| [01:22:00] | godsmoke_: | then fix that |
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| [01:23:00] | jono: | thanks for the help guys |
| [01:23:00] | jono: | I am off to bed |
| [01:23:00] | jono: | night |
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| [01:23:00] | LedHed: | any time |
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| [01:29:00] | hadees: | hey so mythfilldatabase is missing a few hours on the 9th, i ran it again but it said the 9th was already there, is there anyway to force a refresh of just the 9th |
| [01:31:00] | fatmatt: | theres an update option for mythfilldatabase I think, did you check the man page? |
| [01:32:00] | hadees: | i did mythfilldatabase -help |
| [01:32:00] | hadees: | it said --update |
| [01:32:00] | hadees: | For running non-destructive updates on the database for |
| [01:32:00] | hadees: | users in xmltv zones that do not provide channel data |
| [01:33:00] | fatmatt: | --refresh-today ??? |
| [01:34:00] | hadees: | i guess that might work on the 9th but its only the 6th |
| [01:34:00] | hadees: | i might forget by then |
| [01:34:00] | fatmatt: | --refresh-second |
| [01:34:00] | banyan: | has anybody gotten a remote frontend to work over the internet, and if so what configuration is required to the backend to allow this? |
| [01:35:00] | Krazylegz: | Open up some ports, presumably. |
| [01:35:00] | godsmoke: | banyan: there's no configuration required ... |
| [01:35:00] | godsmoke: | the internet is a network |
| [01:35:00] | godsmoke: | just like your lan |
| [01:35:00] | LedHed: | banyan, you'd need a very descent connection |
| [01:35:00] | banyan: | So nothing specifically to mythbackend, just open up mysql and a port for mythbackend? |
| [01:35:00] | hadees: | banyan, the problem is however you might not get a good stream because the files are so large |
| [01:36:00] | hadees: | you need to transcode them to something that can be streamed |
| [01:36:00] | banyan: | yeah, LedHed, I was wondering about that! |
| [01:36:00] | fatmatt: | do you need mysql? just the mythbackend port I thought |
| [01:36:00] | godsmoke: | well, obviously this is not gonna work on some crappy residential quality connection |
| [01:36:00] | banyan: | Oh, maybe so. |
| [01:36:00] | LedHed: | atleast 5+mbit connection |
| [01:37:00] | hadees: | godsmoke, it could if the files were transcoded to something small enough to stream |
| [01:37:00] | banyan: | I remember seeing listserv messages about wireless being too slow until 802.11g came out. |
| [01:37:00] | godsmoke: | that's because 802.11b is not actually 11Mbps |
| [01:37:00] | fatmatt: | what if there was a master backend on the internet and locally you had slave backends? the Master could manage a group of backends, the recordings transcoded to something smaller |
| [01:37:00] | godsmoke: | in fact, even under optimal wireless conditions, you can't expect more than 20Mbps of actual throughput with G |
| [01:37:00] | LedHed: | I run 1 frontend off an 802.11g AP. But thats it. If I try to run the second one it chops |
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| [01:38:00] | banyan: | I just FTPd the .nuv files and then watched them locally. But that's a reql hog. |
| [01:38:00] | banyan: | s/reql/real/ |
| [01:38:00] | hadees: | fatmatt, i don't know, what ever way it would be a bad hack |
| [01:38:00] | burly: | is there a list of commands for mythtv's lircrc file somewhere? |
| [01:38:00] | fatmatt: | theres an option for slave backends |
| [01:38:00] | hadees: | banyan, try videolan |
| [01:38:00] | burly: | the example file uses irxevent, which I am not using |
| [01:38:00] | LedHed: | banyan, the files are gonna be like 1gig per hour of content |
| [01:39:00] | banyan: | And that's not at full ntsc res either. |
| [01:39:00] | burly: | and there doesn't seem to be a complete listing of "config" values that mythtv will accept |
| [01:39:00] | LedHed: | burly, i think its called mythkeys.txt |
| [01:39:00] | hadees: | videolan is going to be your best bet |
| [01:39:00] | banyan: | videolan, that's extra packages to enable this sort of thing? |
| [01:39:00] | burly: | LedHed: where might that be found? google and locate/find turn up nothing |
| [01:39:00] | hadees: | no its a client and a streamer |
| [01:40:00] | hadees: | you would need to run videolan on the backend |
| [01:40:00] | hadees: | and on the frontend |
| [01:40:00] | hadees: | but it can transcode on the fly |
| [01:40:00] | banyan: | I may have to check into that. I travel at times and I hate to have 40 or 50 shows waiting for me. |
| [01:40:00] | banyan: | can it transcode nuvs on the fly? |
| [01:40:00] | godsmoke: | dude |
| [01:40:00] | LedHed: | burly, http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/keys.txt |
| [01:40:00] | godsmoke: | to get real-time video |
| [01:40:00] | godsmoke: | it's gonna look crappy |
| [01:41:00] | godsmoke: | a max residential upstream is gonna be about 1Mbps |
| [01:41:00] | godsmoke: | more likely 384 – 512 |
| [01:41:00] | banyan: | And if transcoding on the fly is possible, then what the hell is wrong with nuvexport? |
| [01:41:00] | burly: | sweet, thanks LedHed |
| [01:41:00] | LedHed: | no prob |
| [01:41:00] | hadees: | banyan, what do you mean? |
| [01:41:00] | banyan: | Yeah, what's the typical situation with cable modem? |
| [01:41:00] | godsmoke: | 384 |
| [01:41:00] | godsmoke: | that's worthless |
| [01:41:00] | banyan: | nuvexport takes a severely long time to transcode. |
| [01:41:00] | LedHed: | burly, transcoding takes a while |
| [01:42:00] | godsmoke: | 384Kbps (meaning roughly 250Kbps of usable bandwidth |
| [01:42:00] | LedHed: | not burly, sorry |
| [01:42:00] | godsmoke: | so your video has to be well under 250 |
| [01:42:00] | banyan: | so nasty quality... |
| [01:42:00] | godsmoke: | so useless quality |
| [01:42:00] | godsmoke: | you need a -real- connection |
| [01:42:00] | hadees: | godsmoke, mabey if you watch it on a psp |
| [01:43:00] | godsmoke: | why would a PSP improve the quality of video? |
| [01:43:00] | LedHed: | well if you can encode mpeg 2 at 320x240 at low settings it wouldnt be that bad.... |
| [01:43:00] | godsmoke: | dude |
| [01:43:00] | godsmoke: | to 200 Kbps? |
| [01:43:00] | godsmoke: | haha |
| [01:43:00] | godsmoke: | try it |
| [01:44:00] | hadees: | godsmoke, it wouldn't but the screen is smaller |
| [01:44:00] | godsmoke: | hadees: that has nothing to do with anything |
| [01:44:00] | hadees: | godsmoke, but the quality could be higher just a smaller screen size |
| [01:44:00] | godsmoke: | no |
| [01:45:00] | godsmoke: | it's impossible to improve quality that way |
| [01:45:00] | godsmoke: | it simply make it look like it's higher quality — it isn't |
| [01:45:00] | godsmoke: | it's a detail visual trick |
| [01:45:00] | down_below: | isnt that the same? :) |
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| [01:45:00] | LedHed: | quality is relative |
| [01:45:00] | godsmoke: | if you make it 10x larger, and sit 10 times further away, it'll be the exact same thing |
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| [01:46:00] | hadees: | godsmoke, i know its a detail trick |
| [01:46:00] | LedHed: | that depends on the distance |
| [01:46:00] | godsmoke: | but it doesn't DO anything |
| [01:46:00] | godsmoke: | just sit futher away |
| [01:46:00] | soi-disant: | amd just how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? |
| [01:46:00] | godsmoke: | that's the EXACT same effect |
| [01:46:00] | hadees: | godsmoke, i was just joking around, don't have to take my head off |
| [01:48:00] | LedHed: | headin home. later all.... |
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| [01:53:00] | |rt|: | godsmoke: actually 10x further away while the detail will be the same the brightness will not |
| [01:53:00] | |rt|: | the intensity of light falls off in an inverse square so it will take way more than 10x the brightness to equal the same brightness from 10x further away |
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| [01:54:00] | godsmoke: | right |
| [01:54:00] | godsmoke: | but we weren't referencing brightnes |
| [01:54:00] | godsmoke: | brightness |
| [01:54:00] | down_below: | but quality :) |
| [01:54:00] | godsmoke: | nor 10 other factors in visual observation |
| [01:54:00] | down_below: | and brightness could be a part of quality |
| [01:54:00] | |rt|: | well details can be lost due to increased brightness meaning less contrast |
| [01:54:00] | |rt|: | most projectors loose contrast as you push them brighter |
| [01:55:00] | godsmoke: | this isn't relevant in the hypothetical and highly specific argument about "detail" through sizing of picture |
| [01:55:00] | godsmoke: | while you're correct, and there are at least a dozen other factors not considered either |
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| [01:56:00] | nullman: | Cardoe: i whois'd on you; what am i looking for? |
| [01:56:00] | nullman: | or did you mean someone else? |
| [01:59:00] | jemarcks: | do i need mysql setup on a frontend only box? |
| [02:00:00] | Agrajag-: | no |
| [02:06:00] | dmz: | so does anyone use mythvideo on a 2ndary machine? i've found nfs (at least the debian nfs) doesn't like > 2gig files, and samba is ungodly slow. what would work, other than mirroring the dvd vob files? |
| [02:07:00] | Chutt: | nfs works on > 2 gig files |
| [02:08:00] | Chutt: | the "debian nfs" as well |
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| [02:10:00] | godsmoke: | now wait a second |
| [02:10:00] | godsmoke: | who here is Craig J. Hindall? |
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| [02:16:00] | dmz: | Chutt really? what version? |
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| [02:17:00] | Chutt: | any released version of debian |
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| [02:18:00] | dmz: | really? i get this error: localhost nfsd[5707]: non-standard errno: 75 (Value too large for defined data type) |
| [02:18:00] | dmz: | running 2.6.11-1–686 |
| [02:20:00] | Moasat: | Could anyone help me? I'm wondering if there's a way to get more detail on errors from the auto-transcode job. Mythweb just reports 'error'. Half of my recordings error out but the other half complete successfully. |
| [02:20:00] | Chutt: | my recordings directory is shared over nfs |
| [02:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | Mine too |
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| [02:21:00] | Chutt: | Linux Merak 2.6.11-1–686 #1 Fri May 20 07:34:54 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| [02:25:00] | Agrajag-: | what kind of filesystem is the file on dmz? |
| [02:25:00] | dmz: | ext3 |
| [02:26:00] | dmz: | i was able to get a good mount with samba, but the lag was terrible (100M switch between 2 machines) |
| [02:26:00] | godsmoke: | hah, is this dmz as in dmzs? |
| [02:26:00] | Agrajag-: | do you get that when you do anything to the file? |
| [02:26:00] | dmz: | yes |
| [02:26:00] | Agrajag-: | as in ls on the file you get that error? |
| [02:26:00] | godsmoke: | small world |
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| [02:26:00] | godsmoke: | we talked like a year or two back a bit |
| [02:26:00] | dmz: | :) |
| [02:26:00] | dmz: | ahh, i bounce around a bit |
| [02:26:00] | godsmoke: | yeah, it was like sf2600 or something |
| [02:26:00] | dmz: | was it on wirelss or icecast..oh yeah icecast |
| [02:26:00] | dmz: | hmm yeah i'm still active w/sf2600 on efnet |
| [02:27:00] | godsmoke: | anyway |
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| [02:27:00] | Agrajag-: | dmz: if you 'ls' the file do you get that error? |
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| [02:27:00] | dmz: | yes |
| [02:28:00] | dmz: | on the remote system I get this: s: /data1/Movies/Movie.vob: Input/output error |
| [02:28:00] | dmz: | localhost nfsd[15201]: non-standard errno: 75 (Value too large for defined data type |
| [02:28:00] | dmz: | and that on the nfs server |
| [02:28:00] | Krazylegz: | What is the creation time listed as for the file /data1/Movies/Movie.vob ? |
| [02:29:00] | dmz: | 2005-08–27 23:53 |
| [02:30:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm, then that's fine. |
| [02:30:00] | dmz: | yeah it's definately a file size problem |
| [02:30:00] | dmz: | well most likely |
| [02:31:00] | dmz: | since it works with files < 2gig |
| [02:31:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. What if you cut that exact file down to <2GB and try it? |
| [02:32:00] | Krazylegz: | I want to rule out everything else. |
| [02:32:00] | dmz: | ok, 1 sec let me run it through dd |
| [02:32:00] | Agrajag-: | dmz: is your debian system up to date? |
| [02:32:00] | dmz: | yup |
| [02:32:00] | dmz: | always :) |
| [02:33:00] | Agrajag-: | ask in #debian – i think this might be a kernel/glibc problem or something, not sure |
| [02:34:00] | dmz: | ugh, #debian is such a pain |
| [02:34:00] | dmz: | heh |
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| [02:36:00] | Agrajag-: | on the machine with the hdd that the file is actually on – is there any problem accessing it? |
| [02:36:00] | Krazylegz: | Chutt: Which type of filesystem are you exporting over NFS? |
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| [02:55:00] | godsmoke: | anyone outputting from their mythtv box at 1080p? |
| [02:55:00] | Krazylegz: | xris: When did you say that you would accept changes for MythWeb? |
| [03:00:00] | Moasat: | Is there any way to get more detail from a failed Auto-transcode? My auto-transcode is failing on half of my recordings |
| [03:01:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: when I update/finalize the new api... |
| [03:01:00] | xris: | several weeks still, at least |
| [03:01:00] | Krazylegz: | That's what I thought you said. |
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| [03:04:00] | xris: | I'm getting close to starting, though. |
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| [03:12:00] | godsmoke: | nobody using 1080p? |
| [03:12:00] | godsmoke: | c'mon — someone's gotta be on the cutting edge |
| [03:13:00] | xris: | godsmoke: in or out? |
| [03:13:00] | godsmoke: | out from mythtv — into the tv |
| [03:14:00] | godsmoke: | why, do you have either a 1080p input or a 1080p output? |
| [03:14:00] | xris: | I have an air2pc, records 1080i |
| [03:15:00] | godsmoke: | ah, well, 1080i is common |
| [03:15:00] | xris: | and I can almost output it on my monitor.. except for a teency little ati driver bug that puts a big pink bar on the screen. |
| [03:16:00] | xris: | my mythbox runs 800x600 via svideo, so I don't really have any need to output bigger stuff |
| [03:16:00] | xris: | bunch of people here run 1080i, though |
| [03:17:00] | godsmoke: | yes, but alas that's not helpful :) |
| [03:17:00] | xris: | what problems are you having? |
| [03:17:00] | Agrajag-: | if you send me over a 1080i capable tv i'll try it out for you |
| [03:17:00] | godsmoke: | I'm not having problems |
| [03:17:00] | godsmoke: | I want to speak to people who have the setup I'm building |
| [03:17:00] | godsmoke: | 1080p from mythtv to the tv |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | godsmoke: it really depends on the video card and tv more than anything else. |
| [03:19:00] | godsmoke: | I'm 100% aware of that |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | and on the cpu of the box... you'll need something beefy. |
| [03:19:00] | godsmoke: | yes, I don't need a lesson |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | not sure what else you want to know. |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | beyond that, it's no different than running on a monitor |
| [03:19:00] | godsmoke: | I want to know what video card they're using |
| [03:20:00] | godsmoke: | from my research, only the 7800 GT/GTX advertise 1080p output |
| [03:20:00] | xris: | likely nvidia — best driver support |
| [03:20:00] | xris: | well, it also depends on your tv. many tv's just have a dvi input. |
| [03:20:00] | godsmoke: | HOWEVER .. I'm looking to see if people are doing it with anything else I didn't find in my research |
| [03:20:00] | godsmoke: | yes, this is a dvi input |
| [03:20:00] | xris: | well, I'm sure someone else will pipe up eventually. |
| [03:21:00] | godsmoke: | I plan on that — so why are you trying to solve my problems? |
| [03:21:00] | xris: | because that's what I do. |
| [03:21:00] | godsmoke: | but you don't have the answers |
| [03:21:00] | xris: | and there are a LOT of clueless people who stop by here, and I didn't know if you were one of them or not. |
| [03:26:00] | godsmoke: | while I'm asking for people with hardware — is anyone using (or has tested) the Scientific Atlanta 3250's firewire port? — if so, what resolution are you getting out of it, I've heard reports that it's 720p ... but nothing solid |
| [03:27:00] | xris: | the cable box? |
| [03:27:00] | godsmoke: | yes |
| [03:27:00] | xris: | legally, the cable companies are only required to provide 480p |
| [03:27:00] | godsmoke: | again, here you are answering things that have nothing to do with my question |
| [03:27:00] | godsmoke: | why insist on that? |
| [03:28:00] | xris: | why be rude? |
| [03:28:00] | xris: | I'm trying to be helpful |
| [03:28:00] | godsmoke: | because you keep giving me these answers that have nothing to do with what I'm asking |
| [03:28:00] | Krazylegz: | Oooo, now who is asking the questions! |
| [03:28:00] | xris: | I've never heard of a cable company providing more than 480p |
| [03:28:00] | godsmoke: | I KNOW my cable company provides 1080i over the DVI |
| [03:28:00] | xris: | you asked about firewire |
| [03:28:00] | godsmoke: | yes, I'm fully aware of that |
| [03:28:00] | xris: | I answered about firewire |
| [03:29:00] | godsmoke: | this is about the capability of the unit, not the cable company |
| [03:29:00] | godsmoke: | we know the signal is 1080i |
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| [03:29:00] | godsmoke: | the question is, does the box step it down to 780p for the firewire output |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | and like I said, the cable company is unlikely to let it give you ANYTHING more than 480p. |
| [03:30:00] | godsmoke: | but this is not the cable company's decision |
| [03:30:00] | godsmoke: | it's already a 1080i signal when it gets to the box |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | discussion of anything else is talking about hacking a box that you do not own, in violation of the dmca, which is not allowed here. |
| [03:30:00] | godsmoke: | the question is about the firewire chip |
| [03:30:00] | godsmoke: | no, I'm not hacking anything |
| [03:31:00] | godsmoke: | the box comes with firewire — I'm asking about its capabilities |
| [03:31:00] | xris: | AGAIN... the firewire port on the box is provided ONLY to comply with the FCC's regulation that cable companies provide a digital SD (not HD) stream to their HD customers. |
| [03:31:00] | xris: | 720p is HD, thus... cable company won't provide it. |
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| [03:46:00] | godsmoke: | xris: so this article about recording 1080i and 720p HDTV content through a firewire connector in their cable box is a bunch of lies? http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040426151111599 |
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| [03:46:00] | Krazylegz: | Does anyone feel like helping with a vlc oddity? |
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| [03:57:00] | Surye: | Hey, has anyone had the problem of when recording a show, mythmusic produces no audio? |
| [03:59:00] | xris: | godsmoke: no. Just saying that I'd never heard of it... and that I've never heard of a media company doing ANYTHING more than the bare minimum when it comes to helping people who cut out their bottom line (eg. their own DVR's) |
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| [04:21:00] | xris: | godsmoke: seriously, though, if that's true, that's awesome. |
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| [04:48:00] | jemarcks_: | I need help setting up a myth frontend only box. I cant get the frontend to connect to mysql on the backend. |
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| [04:50:00] | xris: | jemarcks_: firewall? |
| [04:50:00] | xris: | selinux? |
| [04:51:00] | jemarcks_: | xris... howdy |
| [04:51:00] | jemarcks_: | xris, i disabled them on install yesterday |
| [04:52:00] | xris: | can you connect via the cli mysql client? |
| [04:52:00] | xris: | mysql -h backend_name -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg |
| [04:52:00] | dwmurphy: | are there any debian post-gcc mythtv debs yet? |
| [04:53:00] | jemarcks_: | yes, on the backend i can type... mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg and give it the password and it lets me in. |
| [04:53:00] | xris: | jemarcks_: I meant from the other machine (hence the -h tag) |
| [04:54:00] | jemarcks_: | leme try |
| [04:55:00] | jemarcks_: | xris, [mythtv@nugget ~]$ mysql -h htpc1 -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [04:55:00] | jemarcks_: | Enter password: |
| [04:55:00] | jemarcks_: | ERROR 1130 (00000): Host 'nugget' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| [04:55:00] | jemarcks_: | [mythtv@nugget ~]$ |
| [04:55:00] | jemarcks_: | did i do it right? im not a sql guy |
| [04:55:00] | xris: | yeah |
| [04:55:00] | Cromz: | nugget lol er.. hmm ;) |
| [04:56:00] | xris: | means mysql doesn't have privileges for that box... |
| [04:56:00] | jemarcks_: | lol |
| [04:56:00] | jemarcks_: | hmmm |
| [04:56:00] | jemarcks_: | im following jarods guide for fc4 |
| [04:56:00] | xris: | GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO 'mythtv'@'nugget' IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv' |
| [04:56:00] | xris: | if that doesn't work, replace nugget with the actual IP of the machine. |
| [04:56:00] | jemarcks_: | this is run on nugget? |
| [04:56:00] | xris: | no |
| [04:57:00] | xris: | in mysql |
| [04:57:00] | jemarcks_: | on the backend then... ok |
| [04:57:00] | Cromz: | xris, I wouldn't do the ip.. well the first part ;) ie.. 192.168.0.* should work shouldn't it? incase nugget is on dhcp? |
| [04:59:00] | xris: | Cromz: that'd work, too |
| [04:59:00] | xris: | though I think it's % not * |
| [04:59:00] | Cromz: | I'm interested in this too. cause I will be moving the desktop and frontend to another machine. |
| [04:59:00] | Cromz: | ah.. cool.. |
| [04:59:00] | jemarcks_: | xris, ok.. mysql -h htpc1 -u mythtv -p mythconverg prompted me for a password :) |
| [04:59:00] | xris: | that's correct |
| [04:59:00] | xris: | and does it work |
| [04:59:00] | xris: | ? |
| [05:00:00] | jemarcks_: | mythsetup should work now... leme try it |
| [05:01:00] | Cromz: | ok here's a question.. while watching 'liveTV' yeah yeah why would I? anyways.. on the frontend when I tell it to change the channel. it stores it in the mysql and the backend will see it and change the channel? |
| [05:01:00] | jemarcks_: | mythtvsetup works ! |
| [05:02:00] | jemarcks_: | now i can move on with the frontend setup.... thanks |
| [05:02:00] | Cromz: | jemarcks_, rock on. you use the sword.. er.. |
| [05:02:00] | xris: | :) |
| [05:02:00] | jemarcks_: | hehe |
| [05:03:00] | jemarcks_: | i also need a remote and a IR receiver. any ideas? |
| [05:03:00] | Cromz: | need to find ir in for the frontend. cause I'm using the pvr350 ir in. :/ lol wouldn't work on the frontend. |
| [05:03:00] | xris: | Cromz: making your own is likely the cheapest. |
| [05:04:00] | xris: | or get an IR keyboard and a programmable remote. |
| [05:04:00] | Cromz: | jemarcks_, a friend of mine uses a rf remote. and basicly broadcasts to a used channel like 62.. so any tv is his frontend :O |
| [05:04:00] | Cromz: | er un-used channel |
| [05:04:00] | jemarcks_: | coooooooooool |
| [05:05:00] | jemarcks_: | ok.. .im off to try mythfrontend for the first time on this fresh frontend....... *drum roll* |
| [05:06:00] | xris: | Cromz: my rf remote is nowhere near that powerful |
| [05:06:00] | Cromz: | xris, he probilly has a small house :> lol |
| [05:06:00] | Cromz: | I've never been there to see it. just what he tells me. |
| [05:07:00] | xris: | yeah. I found that mine doesn't really work much more than 30 feet away, even with line of sight. |
| [05:07:00] | xris: | one wall, barely. |
| [05:07:00] | Cromz: | that would work in mine.. double wide trailer. lol |
| [05:08:00] | Cromz: | leap frog has some neat stuff for doing this stuff too.. broadcasting and ir repeaters.. put multi-recievers to one transmiter |
| [05:11:00] | Cromz: | some year.. I still wanna hook mythtv to a projector so I can have a wall sized frontend lol |
| [05:12:00] | xris: | need a really dark room like Chutt's basement for that to work really well |
| [05:12:00] | xris: | something I definitely don't have. |
| [05:13:00] | jemarcks_: | wohoo... pretty sweet. its working |
| [05:13:00] | xris: | jemarcks_: cool |
| [05:14:00] | jemarcks_: | just cant watch live tv... it said there was already a recording going on but i looked and there isnt... maybe i dont have something set up onthe frontend |
| [05:14:00] | Igg-man_: | Does anyone know of a good syslog user interface? |
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| [05:15:00] | xris: | jemarcks_: restart the backend |
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| [05:18:00] | jemarcks_: | i figured it out... my son was watching live tv on the backend in the other room haha |
| [05:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | Igg-man: vi /etc/syslogd.conf ? |
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| [05:35:00] | Krazylegz: | Am I right in understanding that vlc generates two streams, one for video and one for audio? |
| [05:35:00] | Krazylegz: | That's with mythstreamtv. |
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| [05:39:00] | patch: | can someone help me setup mysql so that it witll work with mythtv? |
| [05:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | Krazylegz: No, it all gets mux'd into a single stream |
| [05:43:00] | Krazylegz: | Then why does it listen on two ports? |
| [05:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | and admin/control port and the port with the actual stream |
| [05:44:00] | Krazylegz: | Ah. |
| [05:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can connect to the control port and send commands, fastforward, pause, etc |
| [05:44:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. I'm not getting any audio. |
| [05:44:00] | Krazylegz: | That makes sense. |
| [05:44:00] | ** GreyFoxx heads to bed ** | |
| [05:44:00] | Krazylegz: | I'm trying to figure out how to get vlc to take the transcoding that it's doing and send it to a file, instead of streaming. |
| [05:45:00] | Krazylegz: | Come back! :-) |
| [05:45:00] | patch: | I keep getting Starting mysqld (/etc/mysql/my.cnf) ... |
| [05:45:00] | patch: | ..... * MySQL NOT started, proceding anyway |
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| [05:45:00] | patch: | howcan I fix this? |
| [05:45:00] | Krazylegz: | You have a MySQL configuration issue. |
| [05:45:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, we'd need more information than that, or you could check the MySQL documentation, which would be much more productive. |
| [05:46:00] | patch: | Krazylegz: yeah I read that. I have my.cnf and evrything set up |
| [05:47:00] | Krazylegz: | You read the whole thing? It was like 500 pages the last time I checked. :-) |
| [05:47:00] | patch: | Krazylegz: can you tell me any other things I should be looking at? |
| [05:47:00] | Krazylegz: | I'd have to see more of your error messages. |
| [05:47:00] | patch: | Krazylegz: well I use gentoo and the ebuild is supposed to set evrything up for me. |
| [05:47:00] | patch: | Krazylegz : ok |
| [05:48:00] | patch: | Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address |
| [05:48:00] | patch: | I think thats whats showing up |
| [05:48:00] | patch: | this is from the mysql.err file |
| [05:49:00] | patch: | im setting it up on this box. |
| [05:49:00] | patch: | Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 |
| [05:49:00] | patch: | it also has this |
| [05:49:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, do you? |
| [05:49:00] | patch: | but I dont think I have another instance running |
| [05:49:00] | Krazylegz: | Do netstat -l . MySQL runs on port 3306. |
| [05:50:00] | patch: | nope that port isnt listed. |
| [05:50:00] | Krazylegz: | Do ps -ef | grep mysql . |
| [05:50:00] | patch: | k |
| [05:51:00] | patch: | root 7770 7259 0 20:51 pts/1 00:00:00 grep mysql |
| [05:51:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, MySQL isn't running then. |
| [05:52:00] | Agrajag-: | patch: have you edited your my.cnf? what have you got set as your bind_address ? |
| [05:52:00] | Agrajag-: | bind-address rather |
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| [05:57:00] | NightBird: | "expressing individualism is just plain wrong." – mst3k shorts volume 1 |
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| [06:01:00] | xris: | crap, just remembered I'm supposed to be roasting peppers tonight. |
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| [06:02:00] | Tanthrix: | Is there a noticable difference between 6Mb and 12 Mb encoding? Is 6Mb pretty much the limit where anything above that doesn't gain much noticable quality? |
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| [06:08:00] | samborambo: | hello |
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| [06:09:00] | Tanthrix: | yo |
| [06:09:00] | samborambo: | I've got a question about MythFrontend. My mythbox has been running sweet for the last few months but MythFrontend *always* accesses the hard disk every half second or so |
| [06:09:00] | samborambo: | is this normal? |
| [06:10:00] | samborambo: | what file is it accessing? maybe I can put it in tmpfs or something.....the HD light is getting annoying |
| [06:11:00] | patch: | Agrajag: sorry bind-address is 127.0.0.1 |
| [06:11:00] | Tanthrix: | Not quite sure. Put a piece of tape over the light ;) |
| [06:11:00] | Cardoe: | samborambo: you sure it's mythfrontend? |
| [06:11:00] | Cardoe: | not say you sysloger? |
| [06:11:00] | Cardoe: | or something random |
| [06:11:00] | dmz: | unplug the hd light |
| [06:12:00] | samborambo: | Cardoe: pretty sure. killing tasks one by one reveals MythFrontend as the culprit |
| [06:12:00] | samborambo: | definately not syslog |
| [06:12:00] | Tanthrix: | Is there a particular resolution / refresh rate for NTSC tv out that is most ideal? |
| [06:12:00] | dmz: | i noticed that mythmusic has a visual where it displays album info. if I had 28GIg of music I imported, how can I get it to load the album cover info? |
| [06:12:00] | dmz: | strace -p <pid of mythfronend> |
| [06:12:00] | samborambo: | dmz: thanks, I'll try that.... |
| [06:14:00] | dmz: | brb, rebooting into new kernel to see if nfs w/>2gig files works |
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| [06:16:00] | samborambo: | dmz: |
| [06:16:00] | samborambo: | Process 19734 attached – interrupt to quit |
| [06:16:00] | samborambo: | select(7, [3 6], [], [], NULL <unfinished ...> |
| [06:16:00] | samborambo: | then nothing |
| [06:18:00] | NightBird: | good night |
| [06:18:00] | nuongu1_AFK: | I have an audio question |
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| [06:18:00] | nuonguy: | When I change channels, my audio seems to get muted |
| [06:18:00] | nuonguy: | Anyway to fix that? |
| [06:19:00] | nuonguy: | I can, manually and interactively, invoke something like umix to fix it |
| [06:20:00] | nuonguy: | To fix it, I invoke a 2-line script: umix line2 R -d /dev/mixer1; umix video R -d /dev/mixer1 |
| [06:22:00] | nuonguy: | I could probably work around this if there were a way to tell myth to invoke my script on every channel change, but to still change the channel |
| [06:22:00] | nuonguy: | Cuz, when I telly mythtv to invoke this script on channel change, of course, it doesn't change channels |
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| [06:25:00] | nuonguy: | Am, like, going to have to, like, check it out of svn, and like, build it myself? |
| [06:25:00] | nuonguy: | You know? And then hack it to workaround my issues? |
| [06:28:00] | naitram: | based on the number of responses so far, i'd guess yes. |
| [06:29:00] | samborambo: | dmz: found it! |
| [06:29:00] | samborambo: | strace -fp <pid> |
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| [06:30:00] | samborambo: | it was checking the DVD tray open |
| [06:31:00] | samborambo: | changed the "monitor CD/DVD" and restarted gdm and it's fixed :) |
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| [06:33:00] | samborambo: | nuonguy: that channel change extra call configured in the setup should work |
| [06:33:00] | samborambo: | try testing that first |
| [06:34:00] | samborambo: | anyone here using asterisk on there mythbox? |
| [06:34:00] | samborambo: | there = their |
| [06:34:00] | samborambo: | my bad English |
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| [06:41:00] | Cardoe: | I have it |
| [06:41:00] | Cardoe: | but using it how? |
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| [06:48:00] | dmz: | :( so new kernel still doesn't allow nfs to access > 2gig files |
| [06:50:00] | samborambo: | Cardoe: are you using it for SIP? |
| [06:50:00] | Agrajag-: | dmz: are you sure it's the kernels fault? are you sure you're mounting with an nfs version that has large file support? |
| [06:51:00] | Cardoe: | samborambo: I just have it there for play |
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| [06:53:00] | samborambo: | yeah, I'm still playing with it |
| [06:53:00] | samborambo: | trying to get AMP working with it |
| [06:53:00] | dmz: | Agrajag- that's my next check |
| [06:53:00] | dmz: | Agrajag- i've been wanting to upgrade kernel for a while now :) |
| [06:54:00] | samborambo: | I've signed up for SIP through FWD but haven't configured asterisk yet.......on the "to do" list |
| [06:54:00] | dmz: | Agrajag- it would be client side right, server seems OK |
| [06:56:00] | ** Cardoe ponders. ** | |
| [06:57:00] | Cardoe: | Wonder if I can get an Aria power supply somewhere |
| [06:57:00] | Cardoe: | cause someone wants to sell me one without the PSU |
| [06:58:00] | dmz: | Aria? |
| [07:00:00] | dmz: | my wife is getting hooked on the mythtv box :) |
| [07:00:00] | dmz: | she just asked if she could record the show she's watching and watch another...i said I need to get my pvr500 card and she said well get on it! :) |
| [07:00:00] | dmz: | good thing i ordered it last friday and it should be here tomorrow |
| [07:01:00] | dmz: | Agrajag- it's defaulting to nfs version 2, i'm going to try 3 when this upgrade finishes |
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| [07:04:00] | travolta: | i'm in the viewing recorded programs menu and added files to the playlist. How do i play the playlist? |
| [07:05:00] | travolta: | figured it out |
| [07:09:00] | Krazylegz: | Agrajag-: I love you. |
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| [07:12:00] | Agrajag-: | thanks |
| [07:12:00] | Agrajag-: | i get that lot |
| [07:13:00] | Agrajag-: | so i can't quite remember what i've done to make you say that, refresh my memory? |
| [07:13:00] | Agrajag-: | dmz: that'd be the problem, you need at least 3 i believe |
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| [07:42:00] | dmz: | Agrajag- ugh! mount: RPC: Program/version mismatch; low version = 1, high version = 2 |
| [07:43:00] | Agrajag-: | did you update whatever you were updating on both client and server? |
| [07:44:00] | dmz: | yeah i though the pvr side was already latest version |
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| [07:44:00] | dmz: | let me see what i can find |
| [07:44:00] | dmz: | at least i'm getting closer :) |
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| [07:45:00] | dmz: | hmm i'm using the user-server v2.2beta47–20, might try kernel-server |
| [07:46:00] | Krazylegz: | Agrajag-: You gave me that really handy line for my .screenrc. |
| [07:47:00] | dmz: | ahh, that seemed to fix it. using kernel-server & then using nfsvers=3 |
| [07:47:00] | Agrajag-: | oh right yeah |
| [07:48:00] | dmz: | let me see if it plays the videos now ('ve set the rsize to 16k |
| [07:48:00] | Agrajag-: | im not sure which i gave you, but i updated it again a week or two ago to put the time/date over in the right |
| [07:48:00] | Agrajag-: | hardstatus alwayslastline "%-Lw%{= CB}%{+c w}%50>%n%f* %t%{-}%+Lw%< %=%c %D %d/%m" |
| [07:49:00] | Krazylegz: | I'll check that out. Thanks again! |
| [07:52:00] | Krazylegz: | /usr/bin/vlc -I http --http-host=:8002 /myth/tv/1009_20050830210000_20050830220000.nuv ":sout=#std{access=http,mux=ps,url=:8001}" <-- Does not work. |
| [07:52:00] | Krazylegz: | /usr/bin/vlc -I http --http-host=:8002 /myth/tv/1009_20050830210000_20050830220000.nuv ":sout=#std{access=file,mux=ps,url=/home/vdighe/test.mpg}" <-- Works. |
| [07:52:00] | Krazylegz: | I have no idea why. |
| [07:53:00] | dmz: | nice, not even a skip now :) |
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| [07:54:00] | thechris: | i'm having issues with my PVR500 again |
| [07:54:00] | thechris: | i can't seem to record 2 things at once |
| [07:54:00] | thechris: | 1 records fine, the other records static |
| [07:55:00] | thechris: | but in mythfrontend, both work fine |
| [08:01:00] | thechris: | ok, now sound doesnt work |
| [08:01:00] | thechris: | time to delete 30GB of worthless files |
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| [08:19:00] | thechris: | anyone here use ivtv module? |
| [08:21:00] | thechris: | anyone here |
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| [08:27:00] | thechris: | please, say you know how to fix my sound |
| [08:29:00] | nuonguy: | samborambo: as you said, the channel change script that I have doesn't actually change the channels; I don't think I have a way to do that outside of mythtv |
| [08:36:00] | thechris: | sound? |
| [08:40:00] | nuonguy: | What's wrong with it? |
| [08:40:00] | thechris: | i don't have any from the tuner |
| [08:40:00] | thechris: | i had it a week ago |
| [08:40:00] | thechris: | and now its gone |
| [08:40:00] | nuonguy: | It stopped working? |
| [08:40:00] | thechris: | yep |
| [08:40:00] | thechris: | i did recompile the kernel |
| [08:41:00] | nuonguy: | You're a gentoo guy? |
| [08:41:00] | thechris: | yeah |
| [08:41:00] | nuonguy: | oh |
| [08:41:00] | thechris: | there are ebuilds for all the stuff i need |
| [08:41:00] | nuonguy: | Well, can you still build the old kernel? |
| [08:41:00] | thechris: | and they work unlike the debain packages |
| [08:41:00] | nuonguy: | I don't know what an ebuild is |
| [08:41:00] | thechris: | Well, i didn't really change anything in the .config except added blowfish encryption support |
| [08:41:00] | thechris: | ebuild = gentoo's package format |
| [08:42:00] | thechris: | i think msp3400 got overwritten |
| [08:42:00] | nuonguy: | Oh, so it's the same kernel but with one add config option |
| [08:42:00] | nuonguy: | what's msp3400? |
| [08:42:00] | thechris: | yeah |
| [08:42:00] | thechris: | msp3400 is apparently the sound module for the tuner |
| [08:42:00] | thechris: | and apparently the one in the kernel is bad |
| [08:43:00] | thechris: | and the one from ivtv is good |
| [08:43:00] | Krazylegz: | Check dmesg. |
| [08:43:00] | thechris: | nothing about msg3400 |
| [08:44:00] | thechris: | the instrucitons on ivtv say "don't use the msp3400 from the kernel" but then don't say what to do |
| [08:44:00] | thechris: | and then they tell me to run a script that doens't exist |
| [08:44:00] | nuonguy: | So, did you build msp3400 into the kernel? |
| [08:44:00] | thechris: | no |
| [08:44:00] | thechris: | i don't even think i built it as a module |
| [08:44:00] | thechris: | i can modprobe it still |
| [08:45:00] | thechris: | but i can't find msp3400.o |
| [08:45:00] | nuonguy: | And when you modprobe it, what do you get from dmesg? |
| [08:46:00] | thechris: | nothing |
| [08:46:00] | thechris: | hmm. seems it may be built into kernel |
| [08:47:00] | thechris: | well, as a module |
| [08:47:00] | thechris: | i can't even find it |
| [08:47:00] | nuonguy: | I would fire up 'make menuconfig' and see that it's actually turned off... |
| [08:47:00] | thechris: | i can't seem to find it in menuconfig |
| [08:47:00] | thechris: | or using grep on .config |
| [08:47:00] | nuonguy: | find the .config and search through it |
| [08:48:00] | nuonguy: | yeah, that |
| [08:48:00] | nuonguy: | grep -i? |
| [08:49:00] | nuonguy: | What is the path for msp3400.o? Is it in /usr/src/kernel/..../addons? |
| [08:49:00] | thechris: | i can't find msp3400.o |
| [08:50:00] | nuonguy: | find /usr/src/ -name msp3400.o |
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| [08:55:00] | Krazylegz: | thechris: Did you figure it out yet? |
| [08:55:00] | thechris: | rebuiling database for locate |
| [08:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh. |
| [08:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Let me find it then. |
| [08:56:00] | thechris: | -- /usr/src/linux-2.6.12-gentoo-r6/drivers/media/video/msp3400.o |
| [08:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Whoops, I blew mine away. |
| [08:57:00] | Krazylegz: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html |
| [08:57:00] | Krazylegz: | That should give you some information. |
| [08:58:00] | Krazylegz: | I'm really tired, but I should be up for a few more minutes if that doesn't make sense. |
| [09:01:00] | thechris: | "then copy the msp3400.o from the ivtv driver directory" |
| [09:01:00] | thechris: | what does that mean? |
| [09:01:00] | Krazylegz: | Do you know which directory that is? |
| [09:02:00] | thechris: | no |
| [09:03:00] | nuonguy: | I think this line tells you where itt ought to live: "filename: /lib/modules/2.4.22–9mdk/kernel/drivers/media/video/msp3400.o" |
| [09:03:00] | thechris: | i only foung the msp3400.o from /lib/module... |
| [09:03:00] | Krazylegz: | Did you download and compile ivtv? |
| [09:03:00] | thechris: | yeah, but where is the one from ivtv? |
| [09:03:00] | nuonguy: | in /lib/modules/whatever/drivers/media etc |
| [09:03:00] | thechris: | its on an ebuild, so it should compile |
| [09:03:00] | nuonguy: | Wherever you built it |
| [09:04:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, you're emerging ivtv? |
| [09:04:00] | thechris: | yeah |
| [09:05:00] | Krazylegz: | Isn't it masked? |
| [09:05:00] | thechris: | its listed as -* |
| [09:05:00] | Krazylegz: | Don't try to emerge it. |
| [09:05:00] | thechris: | but it worked before i recompiled my kernel |
| [09:05:00] | Krazylegz: | That's good. Don't try to emerge it. |
| [09:05:00] | thechris: | why? |
| [09:06:00] | Krazylegz: | It's not working and it's masked. |
| [09:06:00] | thechris: | it worked a week ago |
| [09:06:00] | Krazylegz: | Fine. |
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| [09:06:00] | thechris: | and its the only way to get my card working |
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| [09:07:00] | thechris: | i wish debian would handel the dependencies for all this stuff correctly |
| [09:07:00] | thechris: | i |
| [09:07:00] | thechris: | i'd use it. |
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| [09:42:00] | naitram: | debian is currently pissing me off |
| [09:42:00] | thechris: | still no sound |
| [09:42:00] | thechris: | this msp3400.o thing makes no sense |
| [09:42:00] | naitram: | err...yeah, now that you're back, and it's your comment was replying to |
| [09:42:00] | naitram: | debian's pissing me off right now, so be happy you're not dealing with it :) |
| [09:43:00] | thechris: | it kept complaing that i didn't have qt |
| [09:43:00] | thechris: | no idea why it didn't resolve the dependency |
| [09:43:00] | naitram: | i keep having to install different -dev stuff...wish it would just do it automatically for me. think i'm forcing my way through it though |
| [09:43:00] | thechris: | yeah |
| [09:44:00] | thechris: | this sound things pissing me off |
| [09:44:00] | naitram: | i had a wierd thing going on with gentoo, where i'd get everything totally completely done, and it would start segfaulting on me |
| [09:44:00] | thechris: | that happens to me too |
| [09:44:00] | thechris: | stupid ASUS mobo |
| [09:44:00] | naitram: | did it after two complete installs from scratch |
| [09:44:00] | naitram: | so i threw in the towel and went to debian. kinda wishing i hadn't. i miss gentoo |
| [09:44:00] | thechris: | i have no idea what it wants me to do |
| [09:44:00] | thechris: | an i hate OSS |
| [09:44:00] | naitram: | *reads back over what you've said is going on* |
| [09:45:00] | thechris: | i've now copied the msp3400.o from the ivtv driver that i compiled manually |
| [09:45:00] | thechris: | and still no dice |
| [09:45:00] | thechris: | i may just give up on it |
| [09:46:00] | thechris: | the 500MCE is moving to a different computer this weekend |
| [09:46:00] | thechris: | but with my luck i'll have the same issues. |
| [09:46:00] | naitram: | if it helps, you're not the only one |
| [09:46:00] | naitram: | just in general, can't say about the sound issue |
| [09:47:00] | thechris: | i'm wondering if some setting is muted |
| [09:47:00] | thechris: | or if OSS is messing up |
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| [09:47:00] | thechris: | if mythTV used ALSA, i wouldn't need all these PCI cards |
| [09:47:00] | naitram: | why are you using oss instead of alsa? |
| [09:47:00] | naitram: | ahh |
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| [09:48:00] | thechris: | as it stands my OSS emulation in ALSA doesn't work |
| [09:48:00] | naitram: | great, now you're making me wonder why my sound works at all |
| [09:48:00] | Russ: | I've noticed that along the the episode name and description, I have episode numbers in my database |
| [09:48:00] | Russ: | can this be used to sort episodes by season and episode in the gui, instead of by record date? |
| [09:48:00] | thechris: | and any attempt to get OSS + ALSA just breaks both |
| [09:49:00] | naitram: | chris: why do you think that it has no direct support for alsa? |
| [09:49:00] | thechris: | it says so |
| [09:49:00] | thechris: | violently |
| [09:49:00] | thechris: | pretty much only disable OSS on windows frontend. otherwise no sound for you. |
| [09:49:00] | naitram: | # Sound Output Support |
| [09:49:00] | naitram: | OSS support yes |
| [09:49:00] | naitram: | ALSA support yes |
| [09:50:00] | thechris: | yeah, trying ALSA didn't work |
| [09:50:00] | thechris: | maybe there's an update |
| [09:50:00] | naitram: | has worked okay for me so far |
| [09:50:00] | naitram: | you doing this from the ebuild? |
| [09:50:00] | thechris: | yeah |
| [09:50:00] | naitram: | using alsa in your use flags? |
| [09:50:00] | naitram: | do emerge -pv mythtv |
| [09:51:00] | naitram: | it'll tell you what flags are specifically included and excluded |
| [09:51:00] | thechris: | yeah. i've tried it with -oss +alsa |
| [09:51:00] | naitram: | not that i know if this is really going to fix the problem, just the first thing that comes to mind |
| [09:51:00] | thechris: | and it complained |
| [09:51:00] | thechris: | trying it with +alsa +oss just gives me OSS |
| [09:52:00] | naitram: | what happens if you extract the tarball and do a ./configure |
| [09:52:00] | thechris: | which one |
| [09:52:00] | thechris: | mythtv? |
| [09:52:00] | naitram: | mythtv's |
| [09:53:00] | thechris: | it says alsa is supported |
| [09:53:00] | thechris: | but no one seems to know how to switch from OSS |
| [09:53:00] | naitram: | but during the compile in the ebuild it throws out complaints? |
| [09:53:00] | naitram: | that's odd... |
| [09:53:00] | thechris: | no |
| [09:54:00] | thechris: | when i run mythtv |
| [09:55:00] | thechris: | still debating if i should use gentoo or debian or something else for the PVR |
| [09:55:00] | naitram: | what exactly is the error it's giving you? |
| [09:55:00] | thechris: | i'm recompiling |
| [09:55:00] | thechris: | without OSS |
| [09:56:00] | thechris: | hmm i think PORTAGE_NICENESS is still 19 |
| [09:56:00] | thechris: | this may take a bit |
| [09:57:00] | naitram: | i'm attempting to recompile too |
| [09:57:00] | naitram: | kinda annoying "lets use a binary distro!" and now i gotta recompile since debian's so anal about things it won't include |
| [09:57:00] | naitram: | like transcode support |
| [09:58:00] | thechris: | yeah |
| [09:59:00] | thechris: | and i really like the USE stuff from gentoo |
| [09:59:00] | thechris: | apt-get install k3b gives you a non-functional k3b... |
| [09:59:00] | thechris: | you have to go back and apt-get cdrdao |
| [09:59:00] | naitram: | yeah |
| [09:59:00] | naitram: | been doing that all day for myth |
| [10:00:00] | naitram: | now i get to find where pespacket comes from |
| [10:00:00] | naitram: | and how to get it, since it's undeclared. wheee |
| [10:01:00] | thechris: | hmm. nice 19 gcc is kinda slow |
| [10:01:00] | naitram: | not likely to make it much slower... |
| [10:03:00] | thechris: | can't wait for my new mobo to get in |
| [10:03:00] | naitram: | can't wait for my new job to start up. then i'll be able to afford new components :P |
| [10:04:00] | naitram: | that's the theory at least |
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| [10:07:00] | thechris: | new job? |
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| [10:07:00] | naitram: | looking to get on with another wireless isp |
| [10:07:00] | naitram: | the one i'm with is kinda stagnating, and i'm gettin tired of working for peanuts |
| [10:08:00] | thechris: | ah. i'm still in college. grad student, but still |
| [10:08:00] | naitram: | i got lucky, my best friend's brother works for a similar company that's got 10x more customers, but the same number of employees |
| [10:08:00] | naitram: | and he thinks i'll fit right into the company |
| [10:08:00] | thechris: | i really don't like udev |
| [10:08:00] | naitram: | i didn't get along well with college |
| [10:08:00] | thechris: | its too gnomish |
| [10:08:00] | naitram: | don't get along with being broke either... |
| [10:08:00] | thechris: | "lets make things easy, but instead rename and break everything" |
| [10:09:00] | naitram: | heh, i've been lucky on that front |
| [10:09:00] | thechris: | then spit out 1500 device... |
| [10:09:00] | thechris: | try using udev and lvm... |
| [10:09:00] | naitram: | my transition's been pretty painless, and everything "just worked (tm)" |
| [10:09:00] | thechris: | it renames all your devices and then they don't work |
| [10:10:00] | thechris: | and people are always saying 'udev just works'.... yet i've had a handful of issues |
| [10:21:00] | thechris: | 2005-09–07 03:20:31.773 Don't disable OSS support unless you're not running on Linux |
| [10:22:00] | naitram: | hmmm, that sounds handy |
| [10:22:00] | thechris: | and like i said, no way to set ouptut to ALSA |
| [10:22:00] | thechris: | it acknowledges ALSA's existance, then ignores it. |
| [10:23:00] | naitram: | did you ever dig up exactly what the error is that it gives you? |
| [10:25:00] | thechris: | 2005-09–07 03:20:31.773 Don't disable OSS support unless you're not running on Linux |
| [10:26:00] | naitram: | that's the one that says "alsa's not working" ? |
| [10:27:00] | thechris: | well, when i go to watch TV, i get the one that says that there is no sound |
| [10:28:00] | thechris: | hmm. messed around with some stuff. i may have sound. |
| [10:28:00] | thechris: | light sound. |
| [10:28:00] | thechris: | have to try without music |
| [10:28:00] | thechris: | nope |
| [10:29:00] | thechris: | just some background sounds in hte music |
| [10:32:00] | naitram: | stupid question...do you have the right device set? |
| [10:32:00] | naitram: | mine defaulted to /dev/dsp in the settings |
| [10:33:00] | naitram: | but it should be dsp1 as far as i can tell |
| [10:33:00] | naitram: | haven't messed with the tv capture yet |
| [10:33:00] | naitram: | since i can't get the package as a whole to function without crapping on mej |
| [10:33:00] | naitram: | -j |
| [10:33:00] | thechris: | yeah. i got alsa working |
| [10:33:00] | thechris: | you have to set ALSA:default in the sound |
| [10:33:00] | thechris: | which isn't in the menu |
| [10:34:00] | thechris: | and set mixer to default (also not in menu) |
| [10:34:00] | thechris: | but still no sound from card. |
| [10:34:00] | naitram: | ugh. one problem down, god knows how many to go |
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| [10:35:00] | thechris: | i wonder where this mythic test script is |
| [10:35:00] | naitram: | can't help ya on that. |
| [10:35:00] | naitram: | i'm headed to bed. sorry i couldn't be of much use to ya, good luck |
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| [10:36:00] | thechris: | thanks anyways |
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| [10:53:00] | simon_c: | Morning. |
| [10:54:00] | simon_c: | Got a strange problem on a D600. I moved my hard disk from a D600 with bluetooth to a D600 without, and now I get a strange LAN card in the "yast2 lan" area. "Dell D400" |
| [10:54:00] | simon_c: | Damn strange. ! |
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| [11:16:00] | onetwo: | hi does anyone have the frontend working on an xbox? |
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| [13:21:00] | onetwo: | does anyone have an xbox with mythfrontend on it? |
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| [13:23:00] | Tommck: | I'm sure someone does :) |
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| [13:33:00] | onetwo: | well I do, and I can get "live tv", recordings and ogg files from the backend fine, but I can't get the box to play an ordinary cd. I've spent 3 days trying. XMMS works fine, when digital audio extraction is chosen, but mythmusic will not read/detect/play/spot the cd. Any thoughts? I'm on Xebian-1.1.0. |
| [13:35:00] | Tommck: | I am clueless :) |
| [13:37:00] | onetwo: | I have spent some considerable time looking though lists, and I can't find any evidence that it works, but instance no one has had a query about it, and I have found one other person who also cannot get it to work, but no one offered any suggestions to that. |
| [13:37:00] | Tommck: | did you email the mailing list? |
| [13:37:00] | Tommck: | this seems like it's a small enough number of people that you should try that |
| [13:47:00] | adante: | any aussies here recording the simpsons on 10? |
| [13:49:00] | adante: | just wondering if anybody else noticed the 4:3 pic they broadcast in the 16:9 stream is off centre – quite a lot to the right |
| [13:49:00] | adante: | though it was my tv-out but it doesn't happen on 7 |
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| [14:14:00] | Dibblah: | Does anyone have DVB-s working with current SVN? |
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| [14:51:00] | syle: | http://www.sterilecowboys.org/archive3/BUNNY.html |
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| [15:51:00] | defaultro: | morning guys |
| [15:51:00] | defaultro: | do you guys know of any dvb-s that will work with directtv? |
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| [15:54:00] | sskk: | Hello – I have fine "system sound", but no sound on recordings (neither live nor self-recorded) I think I have had this problem before, but lost the link with the solution. It was a very simple command, issuing that the sound from my PVR-150 card was coming from something-1 instead of something-0... Anybody have a clue of what I'm talking about, and could provide a hint? thanks! |
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| [16:13:00] | MrShlee: | Hey, Does anyone have Mythtv working with a "Ultraview DVB-T Plus" I think its a rebadged Dvico fusion. |
| [16:13:00] | MrShlee: | anyone know if thats got software/hardware decoding.. im going to be running a 1.8 duron (upgrade to p4 if it runs shit) |
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| [16:28:00] | onetwo: | MrShlee: I thought that DVB-T already comes encoded, and therefore there is no requirement for large amounts of processing power until you come to view the recordings |
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| [18:18:00] | StefanD: | does anyone know if it is possible to run mythfilldatabase as a specific user? |
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| [18:23:00] | xris: | StefanD: as long as the mysql.txt file is accessible, it can run as any user. |
| [18:24:00] | laga: | the xmltv config file for your user should also be accessible |
| [18:25:00] | StefanD: | my problem is that my mythtv user can run it, the root user can run it. but when the program MythTV tries to run it, it is some configuration thing that is not in order, that my grabber wants, so it fails. And i have no clue who MythTV is using to run mythfilldatabase |
| [18:25:00] | xris: | laga: xmltv only needed if you actually use xmltv. |
| [18:26:00] | xris: | but I'd forgotten about that. |
| [18:27:00] | laga: | :) |
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| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | this is what i get in my mythfilldatabase log: |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | 2005-09–01 02:05:18.568 Using runtime prefix = /usr/local/mythtv |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | 2005-09–01 02:05:18.607 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | 2005-09–01 02:05:18.636 mythfilldatabase: Listings Download Started |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | 2005-09–01 02:05:18.651 New DB connection, total: 2 |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | Refreshing Tomorrow's data |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | ----------------- Start of XMLTV output ----------------- |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | 2005-09–01 02:05:18.659 New DB connection, total: 3 |
| [18:28:00] | xris: | StefanD: pastbin |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | You need to configure the http cache. |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | Do you want to do it now? [yes,no (default=yes)] You must configure the cache. |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | ------------------ End of XMLTV output ------------------ |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | Updating icons for sourceid: 1 |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | oops |
| [18:28:00] | StefanD: | sorry |
| [18:29:00] | xris: | anyway, you need xmltv config in the home directory of whatever user the backend runs as. |
| [18:30:00] | StefanD: | here is my mythfilldatabase log: http://pastebin.com/357171 |
| [18:30:00] | StefanD: | and if i run mythfilldatabase by hand, both root and my mythtv user can run it, no problems |
| [18:30:00] | StefanD: | so bot of them is configured right |
| [18:30:00] | StefanD: | both |
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| [18:37:00] | Chutt: | you're not running it with the same args as mythfilldatabase is |
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| [18:41:00] | StefanD: | if i run it on the commandline i dont use any args, and i have not supplied any args in the MythTV settings. But is there some args that is used anyway? |
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| [18:41:00] | JG555: | After noon all |
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| [18:42:00] | JG555: | got a quick question, my current FC3 mythtv box hard drive died. I was looking into using ratpoison or some other Window Manager this time. What is recommeded to use with the PVR-350's tv out currently? |
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| [18:44:00] | Chutt: | of course it's running it with args from mythfilldatabase. most important one is the configuration file |
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| [18:50:00] | StefanD: | excuse me for being a little slow :) but if i don't supply any args when running mythfilldatabase by hand, do i need to add any args when MythTV runs mythfilldatabase? |
| [18:51:00] | Chutt: | when you run it by hand, you need to tell it to use the same configuration file |
| [18:54:00] | StefanD: | and which file is that? since i never supplied any configuration file |
| [18:54:00] | Chutt: | it's in your ~/.mythtv directory |
| [18:54:00] | StefanD: | the xmltv file in .mythtv? |
| [18:54:00] | Chutt: | and named after your video source name |
| [18:54:00] | StefanD: | aha |
| [18:54:00] | Chutt: | since you can obviously have multiple video sources using the same grabber |
| [18:54:00] | Chutt: | with different configurations |
| [18:56:00] | StefanD: | so, in the MythTV settings for mythfilldatabase i supply the xmltv filname that i have in my .mythtv dir? do i need to use any switches or somwething? or does it know that it is a configurationo file? |
| [18:57:00] | Chutt: | it knows what configuration file to use |
| [18:58:00] | Chutt: | and it _should_ have run the config on it during mythtv-setup |
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| [19:02:00] | whosit: | Any good tips/tricks page/documents on using mythtv with a 27" wide screen LCD tv/ |
| [19:04:00] | StefanD: | thank you Chutt, will see if i can get it to work |
| [19:06:00] | simon_c: | whosit: Let me know if you find one. I've got my output going to the TV but the quality isn't great. I think I need to tweak the setting of the graphics card, but I'm not sure which way. |
| [19:07:00] | whosit: | My Tv has Analog VGA(RGB) and I setup Suse 9.2 at 1280x768 and it looks great. I have mythtv runing with it and all, just looking for tweak sites. |
| [19:08:00] | whosit: | Simon_c what video card you using? what type of tv? |
| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | nothing a little google won't find for you just as fast as for us |
| [19:08:00] | simon_c: | nvidia with a toshiba tv. UK wide screen. |
| [19:09:00] | whosit: | Oh, I have some tweaking sites all ready. Just looking for as many as I can find :) |
| [19:10:00] | whosit: | the Nvidia is documented real good, I setup my friends TV (composit NTSC) and Mythtv looks better on the tv than the tunner in the tv :). But for a desktop its not that good. |
| [19:10:00] | simon_c: | whosit: if you've got some links, I'd appreciate it if you could /msg them to me :-) Much of the X configuration is still deap magic to me. |
| [19:10:00] | whosit: | www.nvidia.com has the docs. |
| [19:10:00] | simon_c: | whosit: Ithink I'm driving it slightly too high. The display is kincked to the right slightly for the top 10% of the screen. |
| [19:11:00] | simon_c: | whosit: More tweaking things for the TV :-) |
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| [19:11:00] | simon_c: | Yes, the base nvidia bit was easy. Plugged in, and booted it up, and it worked. I was damn supprised !! |
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| [19:11:00] | whosit: | Yea, but you can do much more than that |
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| [19:12:00] | whosit: | You can setup the TV as one screen, and your monitor as another. And make myth run on the TV screen all the time :) |
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| [19:12:00] | whosit: | :( |
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| [19:12:00] | simon_c: | whosit: The PC is for the livingroom, so no monitor. |
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| [19:12:00] | whosit: | Cool. |
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| [19:13:00] | simon_c: | so if I'm doing any debugging work on it, it's vnc and/or ssh from the laptop. trying to read anything on the desktop is just too hard on my eyes |
| [19:13:00] | whosit: | You need to read the doc on the Nvidia settings to use. Lemme check to see where they are. |
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| [19:16:00] | whosit: | Humm, Its been a while, but I think the doc is in /usr/share/doc/Nvidia and it has the info in it. |
| [19:17:00] | elod: | hey there. |
| [19:17:00] | elod: | pvr card #0 tuner #0 is /dev/video0, what is pvr card #1 tuner #0 ? |
| [19:17:00] | whosit: | Well, gotta run work time. |
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| [19:19:00] | zuralin: | elod, /dev/video1 |
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| [19:21:00] | elod: | oh damn. i wasn't sure, because when you have one card, you already have loads of devices. but yep it works, thanks :) |
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| [20:16:00] | Cardoe: | any Aria owners? |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | Antec? |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | you two stop kicking your ethernet connections under the desk :) |
| [20:26:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: heh |
| [20:26:00] | Cardoe: | So.. do you know the model # or anything off the PSU |
| [20:26:00] | Cardoe: | Someone offered me the case for like $20 |
| [20:26:00] | Beirdo: | not off hand |
| [20:26:00] | Cardoe: | but he killed the PSU |
| [20:26:00] | Cardoe: | I can't seem to find it available for sale seperately. |
| [20:26:00] | Beirdo: | it's a semi-custom PSU |
| [20:26:00] | Beirdo: | you'd have to buy it from Antec |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | got satellite cabling monkeys in here today |
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| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | they are running cable from the dish on the roof to the gear here. heh |
| [20:28:00] | Beirdo: | I should put in a Myth box |
| [20:28:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:31:00] | laga: | yep |
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| [20:36:00] | SqWaw: | Anyone around that wants to help me with video that "pauses" for about 1/2 a second, every second? |
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| [21:00:00] | mickzz: | when I change the size of the font, the size only changes for the menu setting etc, not for the music player ie, some titles are to large to put on the screen so they end with ... |
| [21:00:00] | mickzz: | is there a way to make those fonts also smaller? |
| [21:06:00] | SqWaw: | good luck. |
| [21:06:00] | SqWaw: | i never get help here |
| [21:07:00] | SqWaw: | everyone is usually too busy. or not busy enough, like right now. |
| [21:07:00] | mickzz: | SqWaw: okay, I was searching the mailing list though, but just asked in the meanwhile |
| [21:07:00] | Beirdo: | oh, that attitude will get you help :) |
| [21:08:00] | mickzz: | Beirdo: ;) |
| [21:08:00] | ** paulweb515 wanders off ** | |
| [21:09:00] | Beirdo: | mickzz: not sure how you are "supposed" to mess with fonts. It always looked good to me when using 100DPI |
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| [21:10:00] | mickzz: | Beirdo: I'm using it on my xbox, when I use the settings/apperance to change the size it changes the size for menus like setting, but not for the musicplayer |
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| [21:10:00] | Beirdo: | couldn't tell ya |
| [21:11:00] | mickzz: | mmm, what do you think of mythmusic with a tree view, to the left it says: "The D..." (The Darkness) because the font is too big |
| [21:11:00] | mickzz: | it's not nice ;) |
| [21:11:00] | Beirdo: | I so rarely look at mythmusic. ipod++ |
| [21:12:00] | laga: | stop listening to this glam rock then ;) |
| [21:12:00] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [21:12:00] | mickzz: | hehe :-) |
| [21:13:00] | beavis: | QT 3.3.5 is our |
| [21:13:00] | beavis: | out |
| [21:13:00] | laga: | all their Qt are blongs to us |
| [21:15:00] | mickzz: | or a title in the right of the treeview: "The Postal Service ~ The District..." (The Postal Service – The District Sleeps Alone Tonight) |
| [21:15:00] | mickzz: | laga: is it better? |
| [21:15:00] | laga: | dunno this song. ;) |
| [21:15:00] | mickzz: | or does the genre still suck? |
| [21:16:00] | laga: | mickzz: there are different settings for 'small', 'large' and 'medium' fonts btw |
| [21:16:00] | ** Beirdo cues Megadeth – The Disintegrators ** | |
| [21:16:00] | ** laga listens to some odd jazz ** | |
| [21:16:00] | mickzz: | laga: the first screen of apperance? |
| [21:16:00] | laga: | np: unknown artist – no one grooves forever |
| [21:16:00] | Beirdo: | today I just need to stay awake |
| [21:16:00] | laga: | mickzz: surry, i don't know off-hand |
| [21:17:00] | mickzz: | laga: np |
| [21:17:00] | laga: | sorry* |
| [21:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | 3.3.5 is out? Cool |
| [21:18:00] | Beirdo: | a whole new slew of stupid bugs to find |
| [21:18:00] | ** mickzz listens to "The Killers ~ All The Things Th..." ** | |
| [21:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm mostly interested to see if my patch made it in |
| [21:18:00] | mickzz: | it's a mystery! |
| [21:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | beavis: Got a link to the 3.3.5 announcement ? |
| [21:19:00] | beavis: | http://www.trolltech.com/developer/changes/changes-3.3.5.html |
| [21:19:00] | beavis: | the changelog |
| [21:20:00] | beavis: | lots of changes in every part of qt |
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| [21:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | I can't seem to find the actual source heh |
| [21:22:00] | whyz: | GreyFoxx, do you think a p166 would be able to cope with mythtv and a hauppauge pvr-350? |
| [21:22:00] | beavis: | only registered used are beeing informed so far |
| [21:23:00] | beavis: | users |
| [21:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [21:23:00] | beavis: | the gpl version will be released in the next days |
| [21:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | whyz: as long as you can read/write the info fast enough to the drives (or over the network) I would imagine so |
| [21:24:00] | whyz: | i guess so too.. i'm thinking of building a diskless thin client running mythtv as a local app.. and as all gfx data is handled by the card, i can't see the problem.. |
| [21:24:00] | whyz: | would be awesome, have a completely noiseless pvr :) |
| [21:25:00] | Chutt: | it'd run really slowly. |
| [21:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use to use a P166 with my dxr3 as a frontend, so I would imagine the 350 would work |
| [21:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | menus are not snappy though :) |
| [21:25:00] | whyz: | hehe, yeah the menues might suck :P |
| [21:25:00] | whyz: | Chutt, do you mean the menu system or the actual tv? |
| [21:26:00] | Chutt: | everything will |
| [21:26:00] | Chutt: | menus, going through the guide |
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| [21:27:00] | whyz: | you're probably right.. the guide is slow on my amd xp 2000 too |
| [21:27:00] | whyz: | speaking of which, why is is that changing channel is quite slow in mythtv? is it because it buffers to hd before starting to play? |
| [21:27:00] | laga: | whyz: contact me if you're going to use ltsp for this task. |
| [21:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [21:27:00] | laga: | whyz: yep. |
| [21:28:00] | whyz: | is it possible to decrease the bufferingtime? |
| [21:28:00] | Chutt: | nope |
| [21:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've never really looked into it. |
| [21:29:00] | whyz: | am quite of a quick-zapper, so it would be nice if there was such an option :) |
| [21:29:00] | laga: | whyz: use the browse mode. |
| [21:29:00] | Chutt: | or stop watching live |
| [21:30:00] | whyz: | laga, the browse mode? |
| [21:30:00] | laga: | whyz: you can try it by selecting 'browse mode' in the OSD – if you like, you can set it permanently in the settings |
| [21:31:00] | whyz: | ok, will do |
| [21:31:00] | Chutt: | makes the osd change, but not the channel |
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| [21:40:00] | beavis: | will there be a release before the ui switches to mythui? with all the changes so far? |
| [21:41:00] | laga: | well, the transition to libmythui is a blocker for the next release, according to trac |
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| [21:43:00] | beavis: | but there are no commits for mythui so far. |
| [21:45:00] | beavis: | so it looks like it'll take some time until 0.19 will be released |
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| [21:47:00] | laga: | beavis: you use SVN, why do you care? ;) |
| [21:50:00] | beavis: | it's just because 0.18 was released in april ;) |
| [21:55:00] | laga: | what about 0.18.1? ;) |
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| [22:03:00] | xris: | ok, all you qt people... I just switched to kde.... |
| [22:05:00] | beavis: | cool :) |
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| [22:06:00] | beavis: | amarok, k3b, kaffeine... rule |
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| [22:07:00] | Beirdo: | KDE is ass. |
| [22:07:00] | ** Beirdo trolls ** | |
| [22:08:00] | laga: | has anyone seen the philips perfectdraft in action yet? |
| [22:08:00] | Cardoe: | should probably get a 0.18.2 release out before 0.19 |
| [22:08:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: heh |
| [22:08:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: remember how much you paid for your Aria? |
| [22:09:00] | Cardoe: | I have $91.67 to my door. |
| [22:09:00] | Cardoe: | us |
| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | hmmm. $140CDN, I think |
| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | months back |
| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | pretty similar |
| [22:09:00] | xris: | Beirdo: faster than gnome. heh. |
| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | gnome is also ass |
| [22:09:00] | xris: | says the man with osx. |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | actually, I have an ibook on my desk now. borrowed for a friend so my wife can test it out to see if she wants to fork over $1500 to get one. |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | s/for/from/ |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | she does |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:11:00] | xris: | yes. well, she's going to take a novel-writing class.... and laptop would be handy for that. |
| [22:11:00] | Beirdo: | it would, yes |
| [22:12:00] | NightBird: | weee my new mobo and hd came in |
| [22:12:00] | ** NightBird goes to install it in his myth box ** | |
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| [22:17:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: does the Aria have an IR thingy? |
| [22:17:00] | Cardoe: | I heard somewhere it did |
| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | I honestly don't recall |
| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | it has a USB card reader on the front though |
| [22:18:00] | Krazylegz: | Is there a better source of vlc documentation that I haven't found yet? |
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| [22:23:00] | UhDollar: | anyone know what causes mythfrontend to hang at startup (after prescaling images) when nvidia driver 7676 is used? |
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| [22:24:00] | Cardoe: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144109 |
| [22:24:00] | Cardoe: | Considering that case as well |
| [22:25:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: yeah I only have xD media... so that reader does me no good |
| [22:25:00] | Beirdo: | ah well |
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| [22:25:00] | Cardoe: | what do ya think fo that case? |
| [22:25:00] | UhDollar: | anyone know what causes mythfrontend to hang at startup (after prescaling images) when nvidia driver 7676 is used? |
| [22:26:00] | laga: | UhDollar: we've read your question. |
| [22:26:00] | Beirdo: | looks a bit.... flashy for my likling |
| [22:27:00] | Beirdo: | but probably decent |
| [22:27:00] | Beirdo: | and a bit modular, that's nice |
| [22:27:00] | Beirdo: | the blue LED crap and the windows just scream "rice-boy" though |
| [22:27:00] | Cardoe: | yeah |
| [22:28:00] | Cardoe: | it's cheaper too |
| [22:28:00] | Beirdo: | put a Type R sticker on it, run Gentoo, you got it made |
| [22:28:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:28:00] | ** Beirdo ducks ** | |
| [22:29:00] | fatmatt: | do they sell those stickers somewhere? |
| [22:29:00] | Krazylegz: | emerge unmerge Beirdo |
| [22:29:00] | Krazylegz: | emerge typeR |
| [22:29:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure you can find em at any riceboy shop |
| [22:29:00] | Beirdo: | I've seen enough of them on cars.... |
| [22:29:00] | Beirdo: | that AREN'T Integra Type R |
| [22:30:00] | Krazylegz: | There were only 1700 Integra TypeR cars imported into the states. |
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| [22:30:00] | Krazylegz: | Of course, you live in Canada. |
| [22:30:00] | Beirdo: | A lot more than that in Canada :) |
| [22:30:00] | Beirdo: | a couple friends had em |
| [22:30:00] | Beirdo: | nice car |
| [22:30:00] | Beirdo: | and they drove them stock |
| [22:30:00] | Krazylegz: | I have a friend who had one, but that was back before I knew her. |
| [22:30:00] | Beirdo: | not with apple-juice cans, etc |
| [22:30:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, that's good. |
| [22:31:00] | Krazylegz: | She said that hers was fast, but it apparently isn't nearly as fast as my car. I still would like to have seen it. |
| [22:31:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:31:00] | Beirdo: | they were nice cars |
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| [22:54:00] | Sylwae: | hello all |
| [22:55:00] | Sylwae: | i've a problem with my pvr150, i've no sound |
| [22:55:00] | Sylwae: | with ivtv |
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| [22:58:00] | simcop2387: | I HATE UPS!!! WHY IS MY PACKAGE FROM ONE STATE OVER DELAYED!!!! thank you for listening to my rant about ups being slow |
| [22:58:00] | simcop2387: | we now return you to your regularly scheduled idling |
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| [23:06:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, good afternoon |
| [23:07:00] | defaultro: | are you familiar with FTA sat? Do they exist? |
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| [23:07:00] | Beirdo: | are you familiar with google? Does it exist? |
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| [23:08:00] | Krazylegz: | They are adding BitTorrent to Opera. |
| [23:08:00] | Beirdo: | good for them :) |
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| [23:09:00] | Beirdo: | it must be non-sequiter night :) |
| [23:09:00] | Krazylegz: | Non-Sequin-Tour? :-) |
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| [23:12:00] | defaultro: | Beirdo, are you familiar with FTA satellite? |
| [23:13:00] | Beirdo: | as much as you would be after searching on google |
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| [23:13:00] | defaultro: | :) do they really exist? |
| [23:13:00] | defaultro: | have you built a linux box before for FTA? |
| [23:14:00] | Beirdo: | no I have no need for satellite |
| [23:14:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [23:14:00] | Beirdo: | and yes, there is some free content on the satellites |
| [23:14:00] | Beirdo: | gooogle |
| [23:14:00] | Beirdo: | I live in a condo building, I couldn't use it if I wanted to |
| [23:14:00] | defaultro: | oh gotcha |
| [23:16:00] | xris: | defaultro: nothing good on FTA, though... no scifi, no foodtv... |
| [23:16:00] | xris: | I want to know how to get at things so that I can pay specifically for the channels via satellite, rather than to a provider.. but I think you need c-band for that. |
| [23:18:00] | dieman: | hey |
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| [23:18:00] | dieman: | anyone here using athlon xp or sempron proc for hdtv? |
| [23:18:00] | dieman: | what speed? |
| [23:18:00] | patch (n=whocares@67.151.108.130) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:18:00] | patch: | can someone help me out? I try and run mythsetup and I get Database not open while trying to load setting: Language |
| [23:18:00] | patch: | Unable to connect to database! |
| [23:19:00] | patch: | QMYSQL3: Unable to connect |
| [23:19:00] | patch: | Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
| [23:19:00] | patch: | the daemon is running |
| [23:19:00] | NightBird: | hey, has anyone put a pvr into an nes case? |
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| [23:22:00] | NightBird: | or is that a bit too hackerish for most people? :P |
| [23:22:00] | Krazylegz: | Nightbird: Interesting idea, but that's pretty small. |
| [23:22:00] | NightBird: | yeah |
| [23:22:00] | Krazylegz: | Also, I hope you mean an original NES, and not that later one they came out with, or an SNES. |
| [23:22:00] | NightBird: | original |
| [23:22:00] | NightBird: | yeah, the others would be too hard |
| [23:22:00] | NightBird: | too small and what not |
| [23:22:00] | Krazylegz: | Then you could get the controller to work with MythTV. :-) |
| [23:23:00] | NightBird: | Krazylegz, I'm not that crazy :P |
| [23:24:00] | otwin: | SNES would work at least for frontend: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/animalsnes/ |
| [23:25:00] | Krazylegz: | Whoa. |
| [23:25:00] | NightBird: | nice |
| [23:27:00] | Krazylegz: | I still can't figure out how to get vlc to serve the way I want to. |
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| [23:27:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, hmm. I have an idea. |
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