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Saturday, August 27th, 2005, 00:04 UTC
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[00:08:00] hadees: anyone have xorg lock up on them while running mythfrontend?
[00:09:00] Cardoe: hadees: do you have Nvidia?
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[00:16:00] PatrickDK: is there a descent way to import .mpg files?
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[00:28:00] kormoc: PatrickDK, mythvideo
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[01:09:00] t0t3r: is there a tool to convert the nuvs automatically
[01:09:00] t0t3r: when i press convert!
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[01:19:00] sphing: Beirdo: you here?
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[01:20:00] Beirdo: kinda
[01:20:00] Beirdo: what's up?
[01:21:00] djpere_knoppmyth: I have a bunch of 1 gig nuv files, whats the best way to get them to play on my PC ?
[01:21:00] Vitamen: rename them to .mpg
[01:21:00] Vitamen: and play them
[01:21:00] djpere_knoppmyth: I don't want to copy 1 gig files over
[01:22:00] djpere_knoppmyth: thats my problem
[01:22:00] geoff_: vlc
[01:22:00] geoff_: through mythweb
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[01:23:00] geoff_: vlc can stream http and play .nuvs
[01:23:00] telseth_: edit out the commercials and use nuvexport
[01:24:00] djpere_knoppmyth: wait so how do I do it with vlc ? I have it
[01:24:00] djpere_knoppmyth: I apache the folder with the .nuvs in it ?
[01:24:00] geoff_: have you used mythweb before?
[01:24:00] djpere_knoppmyth: yea I have it running
[01:25:00] geoff_: if you right click on the preview image and copy the link, that is to the .nuv
[01:25:00] sphing: Beirdo: what bot is that.. I need a logging bot
[01:25:00] djpere_knoppmyth: you can only stream videos not recordings
[01:25:00] djpere_knoppmyth: oh I see
[01:25:00] geoff_: :)
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[01:25:00] geoff_: works great for me
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[01:26:00] djpere_knoppmyth: garg
[01:26:00] Beirdo: do a whois :)
[01:26:00] Beirdo: it tells you
[01:26:00] djpere_knoppmyth: backend is giving me all this shit when I try to get recorded programs
[01:26:00] geoff_: what is it giving?
[01:27:00] djpere_knoppmyth: could not open /blabla.nuv
[01:27:00] geoff_: hmmm
[01:27:00] djpere_knoppmyth: not enough video to make thumbnail
[01:27:00] geoff_: sounds like you have a broken symlink or some missing nuvs
[01:27:00] djpere_knoppmyth: um alot of other stuff its still scrollijng
[01:27:00] geoff_: sounds like missing recordings
[01:27:00] geoff_: usually it says a lot
[01:27:00] djpere_knoppmyth: yea
[01:27:00] djpere_knoppmyth: um
[01:28:00] geoff_: for me anyway about generating previews and stuff
[01:29:00] djpere_knoppmyth: wierd
[01:29:00] djpere_knoppmyth: oh anoyher question
[01:29:00] geoff_: shoot
[01:29:00] djpere_knoppmyth: what about the other way around
[01:29:00] djpere_knoppmyth: I have a tivo , I want to get the recordings synced up
[01:30:00] djpere_knoppmyth: without hacking the tivo
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[01:30:00] geoff_: Srry, I have no idea, no tivo
[01:30:00] geoff_: but I know it has been done
[01:31:00] djpere_knoppmyth: without hacking it?
[01:31:00] geoff_: not sure
[01:31:00] djpere_knoppmyth: I have tivo desktop for windows
[01:31:00] djpere_knoppmyth: I was thinking mounting that directory on my laptop and mounting it
[01:32:00] geoff_: you could add them as videos
[01:32:00] djpere_knoppmyth: yea thats what I meant
[01:32:00] djpere_knoppmyth: smbmount htem
[01:32:00] geoff_: should work
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[01:32:00] geoff_: nut there probably wont be any meta data
[01:32:00] geoff_: but**
[01:33:00] djpere_knoppmyth: but when I play the file lags alot
[01:33:00] djpere_knoppmyth: and wierdly
[01:33:00] djpere_knoppmyth: well I can't even get it playing .tivo files, my test file lagged
[01:33:00] geoff_: hmmm
[01:33:00] geoff_: what type of net?
[01:33:00] djpere_knoppmyth: 11 mbps :(
[01:33:00] djpere_knoppmyth: and not even its really slow
[01:33:00] geoff_: if you copy one to the local drive does it still lag?
[01:34:00] djpere_knoppmyth: nah it wouldn't
[01:34:00] djpere_knoppmyth: I play videos all the time
[01:34:00] geoff_: smb has quite a bit of overhead
[01:34:00] djpere_knoppmyth: yea
[01:34:00] geoff_: but the tivo files?
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[01:34:00] djpere_knoppmyth: I just built mplayer from cvs it should have suppport for the file
[01:34:00] geoff_: I think your net must be too slow
[01:35:00] geoff_: is it 802.11b?
[01:35:00] djpere_knoppmyth: yea
[01:35:00] geoff_: because I can't play tv from myth to a remote frontend over b
[01:35:00] djperegrine: yea
[01:35:00] geoff_: it studders
[01:35:00] geoff_: and is unwatchable
[01:35:00] geoff_: but with faster net it works
[01:35:00] geoff_: 802.11g is barley fast enough
[01:36:00] geoff_: and tivo records fairly high quality
[01:36:00] geoff_: so bigger files
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[01:37:00] djperegrine: well its recording a movie now I don't wanna fuck with it right now :D
[01:38:00] djperegrine: damn it! I already did XD
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[01:39:00] djperegrine: ah its on later :D
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[01:56:00] Vantage__: where in the mythtv menu system can you configure vcd playback?
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[02:03:00] burly: latency is going to be the biggest killer to your video, and your latency will be much higher with wireless than with wired 802.3u
[02:04:00] burly: its why an 802.11g connections often still sucks at playing the video
[02:05:00] burly: any interference that ends up causing latency or worse, packet loss, will make the video start skipping and basically turn to crap
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[02:09:00] Giff: Hey guys – hoping someone might have an answer to this... I did Google it but I am still having trouble. Basically, my PVR 150's remote control works for a short period of time, then it stops working, and requires a cold boot to work again. Others have had this problem and said that it can be resolved by running ivtvctl --reset-ir. Problem is, ivtvctl claims there is no --reset-ir switch. I'm on .2 of IVTV. Is this something that is on
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[02:22:00] Cardoe: Giff: try ivtv 0.3.x
[02:25:00] PatrickDK: hmm, mythtv-rebuilddatabase is useless
[02:26:00] PatrickDK: ivtv 0.3.7h decoder doesn't work on my pvr350
[02:26:00] PatrickDK: encode works fine though
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[02:38:00] PatrickDK: anyone using mythtv with directfb?
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[03:01:00] doug_: can anyone suggest anything to config my dvb card before attempting to config myth?
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[03:01:00] SplasPood: Question, assuming the drive you had your mythtv recordings on died, what would be the quickest way to clean them out of the db?
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[03:03:00] PatrickDK: run myth.rebuilddatabase.pl
[03:05:00] PatrickDK: hmm, now I just need to write a script to export from dvarchive to mythtv
[03:05:00] PatrickDK: my manual convert worked
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[03:06:00] simcop2387-vnc: can mythtv do output of video with just x11?
[03:07:00] SplasPood: Patrick: will that remove my channel settings too?
[03:07:00] PatrickDK: no
[03:08:00] SqWaw: yawn
[03:08:00] SqWaw: im tyred!
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[03:11:00] thechris: i'm wondering if i have another bad tv tuner. it seems i can record just fine with /dev/video1, but not on /dev/video0
[03:28:00] simcop2387-vnc: thechris: might be a driver issue
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[03:33:00] Raven_301: Is there anyone how has Mythtv running on Mandriva??
[03:35:00] thechris: simcop2387-vnc: hmm. so far its happened with every version
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[03:36:00] SplasPood: Patrick: i think you misunderstood me before... I've lost the recordings.. the nuvs.. I just wanna clear the DB now
[03:36:00] PatrickDK: ya, that program will go through the database, and resync it with what .nuv files actually exist
[03:36:00] PatrickDK: or maybe it doesn't delete missing ones
[03:36:00] PatrickDK: but I thought it did
[03:36:00] SplasPood: yea I don't think it does
[03:37:00] PatrickDK: maybe if you did a drop table to anything that starts with recorded
[03:37:00] PatrickDK: and then cat the db setup file back into mysql
[03:40:00] SplasPood: that seems to have done it... I just did a DELETE FROM on each
[03:40:00] PatrickDK: ah :)
[03:40:00] PatrickDK: I have been playing with those today
[03:40:00] PatrickDK: doing manual inserts for shows
[03:42:00] SplasPood: gah still no working mplayer in debian unstable
[03:49:00] ** thechris is cursed never to buy working electronics **
[03:58:00] doug_: Raven_301: what card are you working with?
[03:59:00] Raven_301: don't laugh pvr150
[04:00:00] thechris: i have a pvr500... but only 1 tuner works
[04:00:00] thechris: so i have a pvr150
[04:00:00] doug_: Raven_301: I won't... that is an ok card ... just need more horsepower for it
[04:01:00] Raven_301: doug_: I have tried knoppmyth and Mandriva .I just can't seem to get the card to work
[04:01:00] thechris: Raven_301: what country?
[04:01:00] Raven_301: Canada Ontaro
[04:01:00] thechris: Raven_301: does that use NTSC?
[04:02:00] Raven_301: yes
[04:02:00] thechris: ok
[04:02:00] thechris: in that case i can probaly help
[04:02:00] thechris: what distro are you using?
[04:02:00] Raven_301: ok that would be great
[04:02:00] doug_: Raven_301: 2005 kernel is screwy... use 2006 beta, worked better for me
[04:02:00] Raven_301: I'm reinstall Mandriva 10.1
[04:02:00] thechris: hmm. mandravia... not my first choice
[04:03:00] thechris: 2005 kernel? heh. good one.
[04:03:00] thechris: in anycase, you'll need to get ivtv 0.3.7h or such
[04:03:00] doug_: laugh if u want but the patched kernel that comes with le2005 will cause u probs
[04:03:00] Raven_301: thechris: what distro then?
[04:04:00] doug_: gentoo
[04:04:00] thechris: Raven_301: well, i try to stick to gentoo or debian
[04:04:00] doug_: Raven_301: gentoo, trust me
[04:04:00] Raven_301: doug_: which beta 2006 ?
[04:04:00] thechris: gentoo takes a long time to install due to compilation of packages, but portage makes a lot of things easy
[04:05:00] doug_: Raven_301: yes
[04:05:00] Raven_301: doug_: which release of 2006?
[04:05:00] thechris: i find it bizzar to call a kerenl "2005"... i'm used to 2.6.xx
[04:05:00] Raven_301: thechris: that is the distro name
[04:06:00] doug_: thechris: pekker hed... it is 2.6.? with mandriva 2006
[04:06:00] doug_: distro = 2005
[04:06:00] doug_: or 2006
[04:06:00] Raven_301: doug_: is it the first or second release?
[04:07:00] Raven_301: or 206
[04:07:00] Raven_301: or = of
[04:07:00] doug_: oh...
[04:07:00] Raven_301: of 2006
[04:07:00] thechris: anyways, if you can get ivtv installed you'll have to modify modules.conf
[04:07:00] doug_: sec... dl off the mirrors last week and bttv mods worked on it
[04:07:00] thechris: or whatever higher level modules.d system you have
[04:08:00] thechris: Like, if you see warnings not to modify modules.conf, well, don't modify it
[04:08:00] Raven_301: ok
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[04:10:00] thechris: in anycase, i've had luck with one line:
[04:10:00] thechris: options ivtv ivtv_std=1 tuner=57
[04:10:00] Raven_301: ok
[04:11:00] Raven_301: doug_: bttv mods ??
[04:12:00] Raven_301: thanks thechris
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[04:17:00] djperegrine: gentoo is nice
[04:17:00] djperegrine: but only if have alot of time
[04:18:00] djperegrine: debian can update 80 packages in like 20 seconds
[04:18:00] thechris: or you figure out that you can nice 19 emerges...
[04:19:00] djperegrine: ?
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[04:23:00] rjune: thechris: and still spend 5 hours updating
[04:24:00] Raven_301: What is "bttv mods" ???
[04:24:00] thechris: not sure what the point is?
[04:24:00] thechris: i mean, you'r still months ahead of debain in updates
[04:25:00] thechris: and you can use the computer while updating... a niced 19 process doesn't really do that much
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[05:34:00] chacon: anyone running FC 3 w/ PVR-350?
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[05:36:00] SlicerDicer-: I am running gentoo I may be able to help what are you trying to do?
[05:36:00] chacon: `well i have mine up and running...
[05:37:00] SlicerDicer-: ok
[05:37:00] SlicerDicer-: what input are you using svideo, coax or what?
[05:37:00] chacon: but it freezes...a short time after either just watching live TV or recodring
[05:37:00] chacon: recording
[05:37:00] chacon: coax
[05:37:00] SlicerDicer-: hang on a sec
[05:38:00] SlicerDicer-: do you have a gui on it?
[05:39:00] chacon: yeah.
[05:39:00] SlicerDicer-: cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg
[05:39:00] SlicerDicer-: run that
[05:39:00] chacon: i am using the TV out function..
[05:39:00] SlicerDicer-: then play the test.mpg
[05:39:00] SlicerDicer-: let the cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg for about 20 seconds
[05:40:00] SlicerDicer-: or however long it takes for it to lock
[05:40:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont know how long its taking to lock :)
[05:40:00] chacon: the locks are random... well at least 10 -15 mins
[05:40:00] SlicerDicer-: hmm
[05:40:00] chacon: it usually records part of a show.
[05:40:00] SlicerDicer-: is it mythfrontend locking?
[05:40:00] SlicerDicer-: what speed cpu?
[05:40:00] chacon: the machine still responds.
[05:40:00] SlicerDicer-: how much ram?
[05:40:00] chacon: 2.4GHz
[05:40:00] chacon: 512w
[05:40:00] chacon: 512
[05:40:00] SlicerDicer-: plenty
[05:41:00] chacon: no overheating issues
[05:41:00] chacon: i have a FAT ass fan on it.'
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[05:41:00] SlicerDicer-: cat /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log and paste it to rafb.net/paste
[05:42:00] SlicerDicer-: or the output rather
[05:42:00] chacon: ok..
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[05:42:00] chacon: i gotta do that in a bit..
[05:43:00] SlicerDicer-: I just want to see if the backend is doing anything funky
[05:43:00] chacon: ok
[05:44:00] [shodan]: is there a key in "Browse view" in mythvideo to jump to a random movie ?
[05:44:00] SlicerDicer-: umm....
[05:45:00] SlicerDicer-: why would you want to jump to a random movie?
[05:45:00] chacon: bored?
[05:45:00] [shodan]: I think that could be useful so that my users start watching movies whose title don't begin with A or B ;)
[05:46:00] SlicerDicer-: you cant just manually select them?
[05:46:00] [shodan]: it takes a couple minutes just to go through the list once
[05:46:00] SlicerDicer-: holy shit how many movies you got on that thing
[05:46:00] [shodan]: 541
[05:46:00] SlicerDicer-: holy shit
[05:47:00] SlicerDicer-: ok nvm I dont know what to do
[05:47:00] [shodan]: I can tell you , the video manager doesn't scale ;)
[05:47:00] SlicerDicer-: no doubt hehe
[05:47:00] [shodan]: it takes 20 seconds to toggle a movie from browseable to non-browseable ;)
[05:47:00] SlicerDicer-: not enough cpu power to parse all that db info?
[05:48:00] SlicerDicer-: I guess if I get a list that long I will have a computer dedicated to the database heh
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[05:50:00] [shodan]: well the database take a whole 0.2 seconds to respond to the one query this requires , I'm not really sure what is taking so long, the code sure could use a tune up ;) I'm running the video manager on a athlon 2800+ so that shouldn't be (and the db and the mythserver are two other different box so these process are not interfering)
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[05:52:00] GreyFoxx: Can't say I notice any particular performance issues when reading in my db of videos in mythvideo. Takes far longer to parse the directories looking for new stuff
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[05:53:00] SlicerDicer: hey [shodan] I was just prodding with mythfronted
[05:53:00] [shodan]: GreyFoxx, how big is your database ?
[05:53:00] thelonefish: can someone tell me if the Hauppage PVR 150 is supported wihtout having to compile beta drivers? (I am a newb and that sounds hard)
[05:53:00] SlicerDicer: maybe you could set it up so you have category groups?
[05:53:00] SlicerDicer: there is a mess of options if you press M at the recordings to watch maybe thats the ticket?
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: [shodan]: As in how many videos I have in the videometadata table ?
[05:54:00] Chutt: greyfoxx, was that _current_ svn?
[05:54:00] [shodan]: SlicerDicer, well the category is the one filter setting that could be useful for that but imdb.pl didn't fill that field
[05:54:00] [shodan]: GreyFoxx, yes
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: Chutt: Those were from svn as of 2 days ago, which of course I thought of right after sending them which is why I'm compiling up svn as of 10 minutes ago right now :)
[05:54:00] SlicerDicer: [shodan]: spend alot of time and do it by hand :P
[05:55:00] GreyFoxx: But It's very common so if it's not fixed in the last couple days I'll be able to get more of them
[05:55:00] GreyFoxx: [shodan]: 745 videos in videometadata
[05:56:00] [shodan]: GreyFoxx, and it's fast !? , like if you go in the video manager , select any movie , press b , how many seconds does that take ?
[05:56:00] GreyFoxx: Well, I pretty much never use video manager, but I'll do it right now. Gimme a sec
[05:58:00] GreyFoxx: took maybe half a second if that to toggle from browseable to not
[05:58:00] [shodan]: my videodata is actually 3416 lines because I have also all my tv shows in there (accessible to the user via the List view under directory named like Series_name/Season_X/etc..)
[05:58:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, about half a second
[05:59:00] [shodan]: maybe I hit some threshold amount of lines that makes it a lot slower
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[06:02:00] GreyFoxx: Shouldn't. Not with such small numbers
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[06:07:00] [shodan]: is your sql db on the box as the one your are running the videomanager on ?
[06:08:00] GreyFoxx: Nope
[06:08:00] [shodan]: that's weird then .. there's no reason it should be so slow , I should run it in strace , maybe I'll find a reason why it's doing that
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[06:09:00] GreyFoxx: The code for toggling the browseable flag is pretty straightforward. You can add in some debug statements and see if you can find where the lag is
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[06:09:00] eiclectis: Hey, MythMusic won't work now for some reason. I had it using ALSA's /dev/dsp oss emu, and it gave me "Decoder error. DecoderMAD: Failed to open input. Error 5."
[06:10:00] eiclectis: So I set it to ALSA:default, and it puts this in the console:
[06:10:00] eiclectis: 2005-08–26 21:05:06.274 Opening audio device 'default'.
[06:10:00] eiclectis: ALSA lib control.c:739:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/sound/mixer
[06:10:00] eiclectis: 2005-08–26 21:05:06.282 Mixer attach error -2: No such file or directory
[06:10:00] eiclectis: Check Mixer Name in Setup: /dev/sound/mixer
[06:10:00] eiclectis: and then same rror
[06:10:00] eiclectis: *error
[06:10:00] eiclectis: /dev/sound/mixer exsists, and I have permissions to it
[06:10:00] defaultr0: hello everyone
[06:11:00] [shodan]: GreyFoxx, are you running .18 or cvs ?
[06:11:00] GreyFoxx: svn
[06:12:00] defaultr0: hi GreyFoxx
[06:12:00] defaultr0: GreyFoxx, can you check if my website can be access? restricted.dyndns.org
[06:13:00] GreyFoxx: A site loads, I assume it's the correct one :)
[06:13:00] defaultr0: I'm seeing http traffic :)
[06:13:00] defaultr0: yep
[06:13:00] defaultr0: just got my comcast up and running
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[06:14:00] [shodan]: yikes , toggling browseable generated about 200 pages of output from strace !
[06:16:00] eiclectis: Anyone have any idea?
[06:17:00] eiclectis: madplay plays the files fine
[06:25:00] [shodan]: shodan@glitch ~ $ strace -tt mythfrontend 2&> output.1
[06:25:00] [shodan]: shodan@glitch ~ $ ls -lsh output.1
[06:25:00] [shodan]: 51M -rw-r--r-- 1 shodan users 51M Aug 27 00:24 output.1
[06:42:00] Vitamen: anyone have any ideas what to do about interlacing on my televison?
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[06:49:00] dcstimm: hey guys, do you give user help in this channel?
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[06:50:00] Chutt: greyfoxx, sorry, was watching highlander in hd
[06:50:00] Chutt: but, http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/7126 should have fixed that
[06:50:00] dcstimm: cause I was wondering why when your watching tv, and pause it for like 2 hours, and then press play it plays fine, but if you fast forward it pauses for like 40 seconds
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[06:59:00] LedHed: Well I went with the Netgear GA311's and They are complete CRAP!!!!!
[07:00:00] dcstimm: cause I was wondering why when your watching tv, and pause it for like 2 hours, and then press play it plays fine, but if you fast forward it pauses for like 40 seconds
[07:00:00] dcstimm: ?
[07:01:00] dcstimm: anyone know?
[07:01:00] LedHed: winope
[07:01:00] LedHed: nope
[07:01:00] dcstimm: does this happen to everyone?
[07:03:00] defaultr0: hey guys, is there something wrong with zap2it server/
[07:03:00] defaultr0: ?
[07:04:00] dcstimm: anyone know?
[07:04:00] didj: dcstimm: yea, i get that too :\
[07:04:00] dcstimm: didj, sucks
[07:04:00] didj: annoying as hell
[07:04:00] dcstimm: it sucks that my crapola cable company pvr works perfectly
[07:05:00] dcstimm: but my dual xeons with 2gbs of ram isnt cutting it
[07:05:00] dcstimm: 3ghz
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[07:38:00] tetra: if i buy a hauppauge PVR-350, why would I want a second card like a PVR-250/350? Just to record two at the same time?
[07:43:00] travolta: yea
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[07:47:00] tetra: ok
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[08:09:00] tetra: I'm looking at the PVR-350 for $172, does that seem about right?
[08:09:00] xris: tetra: do you need the video-out?
[08:10:00] tetra: xris: I'm not sure, the MII-12000 motherboard I'm considering has s-video out
[08:10:00] xris: epia?
[08:10:00] tetra: yeah
[08:10:00] tetra: i might want coax out though
[08:10:00] xris: with onboard mpeg decoder?
[08:11:00] tetra: yeah, it's only mpeg though
[08:11:00] xris: coax? meaning... rf, or composite?
[08:11:00] tetra: rf
[08:11:00] tetra: composite is rca
[08:11:00] xris: I know what it is.
[08:11:00] xris: both are coaxial cables.
[08:11:00] tetra: ok...
[08:12:00] xris: tetra: the pvr-350 *only* does mpeg.. not as in "only accelerates mpeg" but as in "will not output anything BUT mpeg"
[08:12:00] tetra: xris: oh right, thanks for reminding me about that
[08:12:00] tetra: so.. 250?
[08:12:00] xris: 150
[08:12:00] xris: 250 is hard to find these days.
[08:13:00] xris: and is about $40 more than the 150
[08:13:00] xris: can get the 150 from buy.com for about $62, and there are coupons available (check techbargains, fatwallet, etc)
[08:13:00] tetra: does it have mpeg2 encoder?
[08:13:00] xris: yes
[08:13:00] xris: replaces the 250
[08:14:00] geoff_: 500 has 2 tuners for the price of a 250
[08:14:00] geoff_: I love mine
[08:15:00] xris: geoff_: and usually costs more than two 150's... and uses the same number of case slots (though only one pci slot).
[08:15:00] geoff_: ?
[08:15:00] geoff_: only uses one slot
[08:15:00] xris: only if you use the rf input
[08:15:00] geoff_: :) which i do
[08:15:00] xris: if you want svideo or composite, you need to use the breakout panel
[08:16:00] geoff_: I only have one pci slot
[08:16:00] geoff_: so it is my only option for two tuners
[08:16:00] xris: then it's good for you.
[08:16:00] tetra: can the 150 output other than mpeg?
[08:16:00] xris: wouldn't do me any good...
[08:16:00] geoff_: ah
[08:16:00] xris: tetra: 150 doesn't output
[08:16:00] xris: geoff_: dishnetwork, svideo input
[08:16:00] geoff_: you are using a separate cable box?
[08:16:00] tetra: xris: the 150 i'm looking at has two coax connectors, what's the other for?
[08:16:00] geoff_: gottcha
[08:16:00] xris: tetra: it records in mpeg2.
[08:16:00] xris: tetra: one in, one out
[08:16:00] mofu: tv + fm
[08:17:00] geoff_: you can get yuv, but whats the point
[08:17:00] tetra: xris: yeah so what can it put out?
[08:17:00] xris: tetra: listen to mofu, I'm wrong.
[08:17:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, hey got a moment?
[08:17:00] xris: but I was thinking along the lines of "passthrough" so you could put it in the chain of devices, like a vcr.
[08:17:00] tetra: mofu: oh, it uses that standard coax connector for fm? that's a funky way to hook up an antenna
[08:17:00] xris: tetra: hardly unusual
[08:18:00] tetra: i wouldn't use the FM anyway :)
[08:18:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: actually no... but will probabyl be back later.
[08:18:00] xris: afk
[08:18:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, sure thing
[08:18:00] mofu: yeah, but most stereo recievers have the same thing
[08:18:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, thats why I always ask :)
[08:19:00] tetra: hauppauge wintv-pvr-150-mce for $75 sound about right?
[08:20:00] tetra: was that buy.com at $62 including shipping?
[08:22:00] geoff_: buy.com is the best price I see
[08:22:00] geoff_: yes free shipping
[08:23:00] tetra: the MCE is ok?
[08:23:00] mofu: mce= no fancy box
[08:25:00] tetra: it's a different card from the other 150
[08:25:00] mofu: i don't think retail has fm
[08:25:00] tetra: mce is media center edition
[08:25:00] tetra: maybe you're thinking of oem
[08:26:00] mofu: i think mce is the only oem card sold
[08:26:00] tetra: so it's supported
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[08:27:00] mofu: haven't looked at driver status lately . . . .
[08:28:00] mofu: still running 250's
[08:28:00] tetra: where can that compatibility list be found? I tried searching google, maybe I didn't use the right keywords
[08:31:00] mofu: i'd look at www.ivtv.tv
[08:31:00] tetra: is ivytv a separate project or part of mythtv?
[08:31:00] mofu: ivtv = driver mythtv = application
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[08:31:00] tetra: oh
[08:32:00] tetra: i was looking there before but I thought it was something else so I didn't look much
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[08:35:00] mchou: mce also no ir blaster L)
[08:35:00] mofu: true,
[08:35:00] mchou: also no remote, come to think of it.....
[08:36:00] mchou: and retail version is sometimes cheaper than the mce version.....
[08:36:00] mchou: after rebates....
[08:37:00] mchou: but mce has fm, and retail does not.
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[08:40:00] mchou: heh, I made my power supply quieter.....
[08:40:00] mchou: darn enermax.
[08:40:00] mchou: what's the deal with attaching the thermistor to the heat sink??
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[08:46:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: what's up?
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[09:04:00] xris: or not...
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[09:06:00] Krazylegz: No love.
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[09:06:00] xris: apparently not
[09:06:00] xris: maybe he got eaten by slugs
[09:07:00] Krazylegz: I'll bet you wish that's what happened. :-P
[09:07:00] xris: heh
[09:07:00] Krazylegz: What are you up to?
[09:07:00] xris: debating going to sleep
[09:07:00] Krazylegz: Or are you actually trying to talk to SlicerDicer about something Myth-related?
[09:07:00] xris: or poking at my wiki
[09:08:00] xris: he said he wanted to ask me something
[09:08:00] Krazylegz: You semi-shot me down in your reply email. :-(
[09:10:00] xris: huh?
[09:10:00] xris: oh, didn't mean to.
[09:10:00] xris: you just didn't seem all that interested in coming out here.
[09:11:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, but I thought I indicated that I was interested in having you provide feedback on my resume.
[09:11:00] Krazylegz: You can always make me more interested in relocating. $$$ :-) $$$
[09:11:00] xris: yeah, wish I had lots of $$ to offer.
[09:11:00] xris: guess I forgot about the resume feedback.
[09:12:00] Krazylegz: No problem. Do you mind now?
[09:12:00] xris: np
[09:12:00] xris: well, important things I look for are dates... which you have.
[09:12:00] Krazylegz: I may as well go through the motions and do the proficiency test.
[09:13:00] xris: heh
[09:13:00] xris: well, just to be warned, I have two really good local candidates.
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[09:13:00] Krazylegz: That's a good thing.
[09:13:00] xris: as far as the resume goes... personally, I'd kill the "transcripts available upon request" bit.
[09:14:00] xris: no job outside of academia will care about those.
[09:14:00] Krazylegz: Alrighty.
[09:14:00] xris: put your gpa down if it's really good, otherwise, don't bother...
[09:14:00] xris: and rearrange your skills so they're all in one place, not scattered top/bottom
[09:15:00] Krazylegz: It's not really good. :-)
[09:15:00] Krazylegz: Okay.
[09:16:00] SlicerDicer-: hey xris sorry got carried away watching crimson tide hehe
[09:16:00] xris: Krazylegz: find some way to jazz up "Self-employed"...
[09:16:00] Krazylegz: I know.
[09:16:00] Krazylegz: I can't think of anything, but I suppose I should.
[09:17:00] xris: unfortunately, that kind of "side work" can help or hurt you, depending on who reads it.
[09:17:00] xris: some companies see it and think "good multitasker, seeks to better himself through outside projects"
[09:17:00] xris: and others would see it as competition with the job they'd be paying you to do.
[09:17:00] Krazylegz: I also think I need to "jazz up" the point that I've been working with the same company for 5 years, in addition to being 'self-employed'.
[09:17:00] SlicerDicer-: I was wondering xris how hard would it be to implement a feature to mythweb. I will do it myself if you think it wont require a ton of work
[09:17:00] xris: Krazylegz: I'd definitely put the "real" job first int he list.
[09:18:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: what feature?
[09:18:00] SlicerDicer-: I want to set it up so you can rename/edit all entries on the database for each movie such as title, information, autoexpire etc,
[09:18:00] Krazylegz: Well, I have to provide my clients with some element of privacy.
[09:18:00] SlicerDicer-: unless there is a way to do it and i am being a idiot
[09:18:00] xris: Krazylegz: I've been told (and find myself looking for when reading resumes) to put the important/eye-catching stuff first... and then trail off with the less-insteresting/relevant stuff.
[09:19:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: since when do movies autoexpire?
[09:19:00] xris: or are you talking about recordings?
[09:19:00] SlicerDicer-: recordings :)
[09:19:00] SlicerDicer-: sorry
[09:19:00] SlicerDicer-: I only record movies so hey
[09:19:00] Krazylegz: I've been working with the same client full-time for almost a year now, but I don't put that client on my resume, because I work under an agreement, I'm not an employee.
[09:20:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: hadn't looked into it. that whole page is getting redesigned sometime soon, though. it sucks as it is now
[09:21:00] SlicerDicer-: I think it would be a awesome addition
[09:22:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: I guess. I don't use any of the autoexpire stuff.
[09:22:00] SlicerDicer-: well to be able to edit all that information
[09:23:00] SlicerDicer-: cause if I do a manual record I have to manually go into the database and add what I want as well so just being able to edit all that would be nice from the web interface
[09:24:00] xris: well, don't know that it'd be a good idea to allow editing of the program data... even if zap2it *is* occasionally wrong.
[09:25:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh I guess I will just have to implement it myself then for my own personal uses
[09:26:00] xris: I'm not accepting any major additions to mythweb at the moment, anyway... except on the music and video pages.
[09:26:00] SlicerDicer-: xris moment
[09:30:00] SlicerDicer-: http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/reason.jpg that is why
[09:30:00] SlicerDicer-: there is no description or title cause its manually recorded and I have to manually fix the database names :)
[09:30:00] SlicerDicer-: or information rather with the correct names
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[09:33:00] xris: ahh
[09:33:00] xris: except that you *can* set that stuff prior to recording.
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[09:34:00] SlicerDicer-: correct but if I dont have time thats a differnet story :P
[09:34:00] SlicerDicer-: just be a nice feature is all no worries though
[09:35:00] xris: yeah. eventually.. but not until I get a details page for each recording.
[09:35:00] xris: (which will end up with commands like "transcode" and "run nuvexport")
[09:36:00] SlicerDicer-: I was planning on doing a details page actually that you could modify if need be :) sorry I did not get my idea across correctly..
[09:36:00] SlicerDicer-: I am pretty crappy at explaining ideas
[09:36:00] SlicerDicer-: heh
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[10:31:00] jamesfang: yes
[10:32:00] jamesfang: mythdvd only load xine, but every time I need manual load dvd in xine
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[12:09:00] ** thechris finally got my pvr500 to work **
[12:09:00] thechris: hardware issues
[12:10:00] thechris: the card only works if it is in slot4, and the soundcard is in slot3...
[12:10:00] thechris: otherway around = only 1 tuner works.
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[13:51:00] Ryushin: Hello all. I've just received all my parts for my myth box. The MB and processor I planned on using were bad, so I bought the cheapest MB with a sempron 64 2600+ off newegg for a stop gap until the dual cores come down.
[13:52:00] Ryushin: I bought the PVR-350 and the pcHDTV card. I'm sure I'll be able to watch OTA HD, but will that sempron have enough juice to record HD? I also have a nVideo 5800 card as well as I understand that will help.
[14:06:00] Ryushin: I'm also wondering if I will get a any performance boost by going 64 bit.
[14:11:00] Ryushin: I guess no one is home.
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[14:17:00] tomblaireau: hi everybody :)
[14:17:00] Ryushin: Hey.
[14:17:00] Ryushin: Everyone seems to be asleep.  :)
[14:17:00] tomblaireau: lol I just wake up :p
[14:18:00] Ryushin: I've been up for a couple of hours. It occured to me that I ordered a cheap via board, and I had to find out if there was going to be any stability problems with the pvr-350 card.
[14:19:00] Ryushin: Turns out, it should be okay.
[14:20:00] Ryushin: You have any idea if a Sempron 2600+ cpu will be able to record hd using the pchdtv card?
[14:20:00] Ryushin: I bought it as a stop gap until the dual cores come down in price.
[14:21:00] tomblaireau: Absolutely not. Is the pchdtv hard compressing in mpeg?
[14:22:00] tomblaireau: I'm currently using an hauppauge wintv go with an athlon thunder 1.4Ghz and it works well :) So I think it will be ok for you too
[14:22:00] Ryushin: Not sure. It can play hd with a 1.2 ghz (from their web site). I'm just curious if I'll be able to record it.
[14:24:00] Ryushin: The dual cores are nice, but a bit cost prohibitive right now. I just bought the Sempron 64 2600+ and a chaintech MB from newegg for $113. I figured this will be a stop gab until sometime middle of next year.
[14:24:00] Ryushin: Orderd a nice silverstone case for it though.
[14:25:00] tomblaireau: I don't think dual cores are nice...it's just a marketing products. Not working very well at my pint of vue
[14:25:00] Ryushin: So I'll be building my first myth box later this week.
[14:25:00] tomblaireau: Even if you wan't a dual cores, dont buy Intel's one :p it really sucks
[14:25:00] Ryushin: I think the dual cores are a perfect fit for myth. You can transcode, watch, etc. all at the same time.
[14:26:00] Ryushin: Intel's sucks bad.
[14:27:00] Ryushin: I got this case: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc17.htm
[14:28:00] tomblaireau: it look nice
[14:28:00] Ryushin: Don't know if I'm going 64 bit yet or not. I'll have to do some more research into it.
[14:28:00] tomblaireau: I'm gonna buy one case too. searching for one that I can buy in france
[14:29:00] Ryushin: It was actually very reasonable cost wise. Only about $119.
[14:30:00] Ryushin: Are you in France? Do you work nights and sleep during the day?
[14:30:00] tomblaireau: nope, it's day right now :)
[14:31:00] tomblaireau: I'm wsatching to buy this one :http://www.coolermaster-europe.com/index.php? . . . Cavalier%202
[14:31:00] Ryushin: Sorry, I made an assumption that you were in the US because you just woke up. I guess it's about 2:00 pm there.
[14:32:00] tomblaireau: yep
[14:32:00] tomblaireau: where are you from?
[14:33:00] Ryushin: Colorado, US.
[14:33:00] Ryushin: It's been a long time since I was in France, I'm going to have to go again. Especially since my wife is French.  :)
[14:34:00] tomblaireau: héhé, So i bet you understand some french words?
[14:34:00] tomblaireau: my english sucks a lot :p
[14:35:00] laga: hi tomblaireau  ;)
[14:35:00] Ryushin: Nope.  :) I'm trying to learn japanese. Go figure.
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[14:36:00] Ryushin: I figure when we go to france, my wife can translate, and when go to japan, I can translate.
[14:37:00] TomBlaireau: lol, that's an idea :)
[14:37:00] TomBlaireau: you just convinced me to go take a look for a case :p coming back later :)
[14:37:00] Ryushin: I was looking at your case. Couple things you might consider. The 60mm fans on the back are going to be louder than 80mm's. It uses a proprietary power supply. It's doesn't have much room for drive.
[14:38:00] TomBlaireau: I'm listening to your advice first :p
[14:38:00] Ryushin: Can you get silverstone cases in france?
[14:39:00] TomBlaireau: I'm not sure
[14:39:00] TomBlaireau: Yeah somes
[14:39:00] TomBlaireau: but the price are very expensive :p
[14:39:00] Ryushin: That one I sent you, holds six 3.5" drives, and two 5 1/4 external. I got one DVD, and I hope to be able to put Blueray in there someday.
[14:40:00] Ryushin: I know the duty on items in france is terriable.
[14:40:00] TomBlaireau: I just have a DVD and an hard drive, but maybe using another soon
[14:41:00] TomBlaireau: 20Gb is tiny :p
[14:41:00] Ryushin: When I was there, a music CD costs 3 times as much as the US.
[14:41:00] Ryushin: Ummm... very!  :)
[14:41:00] TomBlaireau: how do you say a word for re-use a pc?
[14:42:00] TomBlaireau: because all my pc is re-used piece
[14:42:00] TomBlaireau: all my mythtv-pc is
[14:42:00] TomBlaireau: it makes noisy sounds...need to make something to that
[14:43:00] Ryushin: re-used is fine. Or just hacked it together with the old hardware lying around.
[14:44:00] Ryushin: I've been taking my time choosing and building this. I've been doing a lot of research for the last year and just bought everything a couple of weeks ago.
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[14:45:00] Ryushin: I'm going to hook it to my HDTV and replace my DVD player with it. Hopefully it will work out. I have a DVI input on the HDTV and I bought a graphics card that has a DVI out.
[14:45:00] TomBlaireau: yep. I took the decision quickly. I decided to build an multimedia-box just to re-used old hardware in my room :p
[14:46:00] TomBlaireau: So I prefer to not buy a lot of new hardware...
[14:46:00] TomBlaireau: It works well like this.
[14:47:00] TomBlaireau: I'm gonna go to the seller to look for a case or a fan
[14:47:00] Ryushin: Excellent. Gives me faith that my setup will work well enough.
[14:47:00] TomBlaireau: sure
[14:47:00] TomBlaireau: if it works well for me, there's no reason it will not for ya
[14:47:00] Ryushin: Good luck. Have a great day. I'm going to go shower and get ready for the day.
[14:48:00] TomBlaireau: okey :) cya too, was a pleasure to meet you :) Good day, et bonjour à votre femme :)
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[15:26:00] PatrickDK: I haven't been able to compile mythtv with support for it
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[16:02:00] defaultro: good morning guys
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[16:10:00] Krazylegz: Good morning!
[16:11:00] TomBlaireau: hi :)
[16:15:00] bpuccio: hello
[16:22:00] laga: *xawn
[16:22:00] laga: *yaen* i mean
[16:25:00] TomBlaireau: hi laga :)
[16:25:00] laga: morning TomBlaireau
[16:26:00] TomBlaireau: had a good night? ;)
[16:26:00] TomBlaireau: which is the plugin you told me yesterday to change the keybinding? :)
[16:27:00] laga: yeah, but it was way too short ;)
[16:27:00] laga: umm, i forgot
[16:28:00] laga: mythcontrols
[16:29:00] TomBlaireau: thx :)
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[16:57:00] Vitamen: anyone know how to convert a .avi or .mpg to dvd files?
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[17:02:00] Knghtbrd: Hi all, setting up a MythTV dedicated box is probably further distant than simply moving video stuff to a Linux box now (currently done via Firewire on a Mac)
[17:02:00] Knghtbrd: The World Has Changed(TM) since I last did v4l in Linux with ye random WinTV card. A whole lot. So I could use some explanation and advice =)
[17:04:00] Knghtbrd: First, as often as I do anything else, I just watch what's on my video input. Reason being, I have a TiVo that's older than MythTV (no really, it's on its third HD but it still works), and I'd like to continue using it.
[17:04:00] Knghtbrd: Should I then get just a framegrabber, knowing full well that later I will actually want something hardware?
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[17:05:00] Krazylegz: Whoa. I think we also have a NightBird here.
[17:06:00] Knghtbrd: Yeah, I'm the one with the broadsword and the years-old sigfile in various dists
[17:06:00] Krazylegz: Oh, neat.
[17:06:00] Knghtbrd: My biggest set of problems stem from the ... nonhelpfulness of ivtv documentation =)
[17:06:00] Krazylegz: Haha. Indeed.
[17:07:00] Knghtbrd: If I get a card that works with ivtv, can I actually USE it as a v4l2 device?
[17:07:00] Knghtbrd: or is it not possible to do basic frame grabbing with it?
[17:08:00] Knghtbrd: their FAQ includes can't open mpeg file in xawtv--well duh--but that's about as close to they come to the real question.  ;)
[17:08:00] Krazylegz: I don't think so, no. Anything you get from it will be MPEG2 encoded.
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[17:09:00] Krazylegz: You could have two capture cards.
[17:09:00] Knghtbrd: And there's apparently something about blackbird designs, which sound horribly alpha and like they expicitly DO support both MPEG and framegrabber capture
[17:09:00] Krazylegz: I have to run. Not sure if I'd be much help anyway. Good luck!
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[17:14:00] Knghtbrd: Also, MythTV is incredibly cool, but it seems to be intended for dedicated use. I mean really, I know it need not be, but it does so much, has so many bits (far more than TiVo has, and TiVo is as dedicated-purpose as you an make a Linux box), but I'm not ready to build that dedicated box just yet. Until then, I'm likely to prefer the likes of xawtv with the option to record off MPEGs for the stuff I want to watch...
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[17:15:00] Knghtbrd: Is there a more appropriate thing for me to use, or should I just try to pare down mythtv to not eat too many resources?
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[17:18:00] Knghtbrd: Maybe the right answer is to go grab an almost-free 4–500MHz box, get the PVR-500MCE, and throw a MythTV-optimized dist at it?
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[17:24:00] Knghtbrd: also, MCE cards have this interesting internal connector.. I don't have a MCE computer (not planning to pay for one either), what's this connector for and how do I use it without an extra $500 to the system pricetag?
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[17:28:00] Knghtbrd: Ahh, that last question may have been answered with the right googlebait
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[17:48:00] dhofstra: anybody ever sucessfully play a DTS audio CD in linux?
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[17:55:00] Esotericisms: how do I renew my Zap2It?
[17:55:00] Knghtbrd: dhofstra: I don't think those are CDs in the redbook sense of the word
[17:56:00] Knghtbrd: dhofstra: do they have a filesystem on them?
[17:56:00] dhofstra: yeah, they actually look everything like a real cd
[17:56:00] dhofstra: and thus, most players just play white noise
[17:56:00] Knghtbrd: okay, name of files on CD?
[17:56:00] Knghtbrd: oh
[17:56:00] Knghtbrd: hmm
[17:57:00] Knghtbrd: Sounds like SACD or some shit
[17:57:00] dhofstra: yeah, I guess the players just have to become smart enough to detect it as a DTS track and passthrough rather than playing it as analog audio
[17:57:00] defaultro: hey dhofstra
[17:57:00] dhofstra: wasup
[17:57:00] defaultro: :)
[17:57:00] Knghtbrd: if it is a DTS track, it's on a filesystem
[17:58:00] Knghtbrd: suggestion: extract the "audio" track as raw audio data (ie, not as wav) and run file on it.
[17:58:00] dhofstra: yeah, I think I'm going to have to play these cd's on a standalone player.
[17:59:00] dhofstra: extract as raw.. hmmm
[17:59:00] Knghtbrd: If it really is a DTS CD, file will tell you it looks like AC3 or MP3
[17:59:00] Knghtbrd: (AC3 is basically 6 channel MP3)
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[17:59:00] Knghtbrd: oh wait, DTS
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[18:00:00] Knghtbrd: yeah, okay, you need a patch for artificial errors
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[18:00:00] Knghtbrd: the analog CD players don't pay attention to the intentional errors. Your CD-ROM does.
[18:01:00] dhofstra: vlc is apparently the only player to support it, but they had to drop it because of litigation from DTS. I tried compiling an older vlc version, but it just hangs
[18:01:00] Knghtbrd: are you trying to play it as digial audio or as analog audio?
[18:01:00] dhofstra: digital
[18:02:00] dhofstra: i have spdif. I just want the player to pass-through the dts stream to get decoded by the reciever.
[18:02:00] Knghtbrd: hm
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[18:02:00] Knghtbrd: you may not be able to do that.
[18:02:00] dhofstra: yeah.
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[18:02:00] Knghtbrd: you might need a cd-read plugin
[18:02:00] dhofstra: oh well
[18:03:00] Knghtbrd: xmms has such a thing
[18:03:00] Knghtbrd: probably comes patched to work around this retardedness now too  ;)
[18:03:00] Knghtbrd: you have two problems
[18:03:00] dhofstra: they say you could hook up the digital out of your dvd player directly to the coaxial audio input of your reciever (bypassing the soundcard) but that
[18:03:00] Knghtbrd: first, DTS is just modified stereo
[18:03:00] dhofstra: is a little to much
[18:04:00] Knghtbrd: modified in ways you can't hear to provide cues for upmixing to 5.1
[18:04:00] Knghtbrd: second, you have a disc that deliberately has been made unplayable on a computer
[18:04:00] dhofstra: unplayable on linux
[18:05:00] Knghtbrd: no, the windows thing is unplayable too.
[18:05:00] dhofstra: naw, played it in windows
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[18:05:00] Knghtbrd: you only thought it did.
[18:05:00] Knghtbrd: what it played in windows was a second copy, with DRM.
[18:05:00] dhofstra: no, I had discrete 5.1 dts cd from zoomplayer
[18:05:00] defaultro: what are you guys talking about?
[18:06:00] defaultro: <dhofstra> i have spdif. I just want the player to pass-through the dts stream to get decoded by the reciever.
[18:06:00] dhofstra: me too, works great for DVDs
[18:06:00] defaultro: i'm doing this right now dhofsta
[18:06:00] dhofstra: but not DTS audio CD's
[18:06:00] defaultro: ok
[18:06:00] Knghtbrd: defaultro: dhofstra has a Dolby DTS enhanced CD which is unplayable in Linux. Insists that Linux can't play the CD, but Windows can. Is unaware of the evil that is "protected" CDs in Windows.
[18:07:00] defaultro: i have never tried DTS audio but DTS in movies works pretty well
[18:07:00] Knghtbrd: You don't play CD audio data in Windows on a protected CD, you play wma files.
[18:07:00] defaultro: oh
[18:07:00] Knghtbrd: DRM'd wma files.
[18:07:00] dhofstra: well, no biggie , just wanted to see if anyone had actually done it
[18:07:00] defaultro: i thought, dhostra was having issues sending out dts stream via spdif
[18:07:00] Knghtbrd: It may be doable with cd-read plugin
[18:08:00] dhofstra: I dont think it's a drm issue as much as it is the player's are not recognizing it as a dts disc
[18:08:00] defaultro: so that cd cannot be played by a regular cd player?
[18:08:00] Knghtbrd: cd-read could ignore the audio checksum errors
[18:08:00] dhofstra: a regular cd player would produce white noise
[18:09:00] defaultro: so just shhhhhhhhhhhhhh sound right
[18:09:00] Knghtbrd: dhofstra: try it.
[18:09:00] Knghtbrd: dhofstra: I bet it CAN play it. =)
[18:09:00] dhofstra: did. white noise
[18:09:00] Knghtbrd: DTS isn't 6 channel, it's 2.
[18:09:00] defaultro: so type of player do you need to use for you to be able to play that cd?
[18:09:00] defaultro: so what type ....
[18:09:00] dhofstra: a standalone dvd player will do it
[18:09:00] Knghtbrd: DTS provides hinting in the audio stream, that's all
[18:09:00] Knghtbrd: eww
[18:10:00] Knghtbrd: you sure this is not a DVD-Audio?
[18:10:00] Knghtbrd: I'd check that jewel case carefully
[18:11:00] dhofstra: ok, thanks I think I'll plug away at it some more.. I think the answer lies in vlc, so I'll ask more there
[18:11:00] Knghtbrd: sorry I couldn't help more--I can't get my questions answered either =/
[18:12:00] dhofstra: he he
[18:13:00] dhofstra: im going to see if the xbox can play it
[18:13:00] dhofstra: cya
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[18:13:00] defaultro: aight dhofstra
[18:13:00] ** Knghtbrd stabs Hauppauge **
[18:21:00] ** Knghtbrd stabs hardware reviewers who completely neglect to address the connector they assume everyone knows about. **
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[18:26:00] doug__: am I missing something... I have a dvb-s card with diseq 1.0 and 3 lnb... with supporting modules installed, am I ready to take the myth plunge or is there something I have to test?
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[18:33:00] Knghtbrd: I don't think anybody's awake yet. =/
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[18:34:00] Knghtbrd: (I can't help you--I'm still back on the what works where how question..)
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[18:42:00] Knghtbrd: ATSC cards vs just sticking with NTSC because I know it works, PVR cards which may be completely useless without a mostly dedicated MythTV machine to use them, frame grabbers which require 2GHz chips pretty much dedicated to use as a decent PVR at all, ability to use MCE cards in non-HTPCs (that connector), and the whole question of v4l2 and what cards actually work...
[18:43:00] Knghtbrd: It was so much easier back in the days before MythTV when there was only one v4l interface and you basically had bttv or it didn't work. Buy a WinTV card and you had bttv and it worked. =p
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[18:44:00] ofer: hello, can anybody who's not from the US help me test winmyth?
[18:44:00] doug__: Knghtbrd: I am awake
[18:44:00] doug__: can someone explain "enable DVB support (must supply header directory)"?
[18:45:00] Knghtbrd: doug__: I meant anyone who knew what they were doing. =)
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[18:47:00] Knghtbrd: I think probably I want a WinTV-PVR-Something card, unless I don't because it won't do what I want.
[18:48:00] doug__: Knghtbrd: just because you don't know what I am doin doesn't mean I don't :)
[18:49:00] doug__: Knghtbrd: you are looking for a card to use?
[18:49:00] Knghtbrd: doug__: in which case I'm not much help to you, am I?
[18:49:00] Knghtbrd: yes, but not specifically with MythTV (that is an intended use, but I have a working setup with an ancient TiVo and a firewire device on a mac..)
[18:50:00] doug__: Knghtbrd: as long as you share what you tried and the results you will be a big help to everyone.
[18:50:00] Knghtbrd: what I've tried so far is lots of googlebait to avoid spending money I can't afford on hardware I can't use. =/
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[18:51:00] Knghtbrd: My current setup works, but the TiVo is basically older than MythTV, and it's showing its age.
[18:51:00] Knghtbrd: More importantly in the near-term, the firewire capture is ... less than perfect.
[18:51:00] doug__: Knghtbrd: I know there was talk about a made for linux card in #lfd if that is any help... was around 150 USD
[18:52:00] doug__: it was hd too
[18:52:00] Knghtbrd: was it also non-HD?
[18:52:00] Knghtbrd: I have nothing HD currently.
[18:52:00] Knghtbrd: I didn't even know what ATSC was until a few weeks ago =)
[18:52:00] doug__: that means you have a starting point :)
[18:53:00] Knghtbrd: sure, but that leaves me back where I was
[18:54:00] Knghtbrd: Do I want an MPEG card or a framegrabber? I think I want the former since I don't want to burdon my workstation with encoding and I want to eventually move video capture to a machine that couldn't encode realtime MPEG2.
[18:55:00] Knghtbrd: BUT, I have certain requirements that can't easily be met unless I have direct framegrabber access
[18:55:00] Knghtbrd: like game consoles and the ability to just watch something recorded on my current TiVo in the weeks before i actually figure out MythTV...
[18:57:00] Knghtbrd: based on how easy it has been to figure out what exactly video cards do and don't do and ... yeah, based on all of that, weeks could be a liberal estimate.
[18:58:00] Knghtbrd: I THINK I may want to have two capture cards both framegrabber and MPEG
[18:58:00] ofer: do you want the mpeg card to also be the one displaying the stuff on the tv? or is that going to be the video card?
[18:58:00] ofer: i. e. are you thinking of the pvr 350?
[18:58:00] Knghtbrd: I am a student living in a student apartment with student apartment sizes. What TV? =)
[18:59:00] ofer: ok, can you access the video files from the tivo or do you still need a framegrabber to view them?
[18:59:00] Knghtbrd: I was actually thinking 500MCE, but 500MCE brings additional questions beyond the PVR or not because it has a custom connector and all
[18:59:00] ofer: you realize the pvr 250's do have a line in
[19:00:00] Knghtbrd: I may be able to extract the stuff on the TiVo if I can figure out THAT info. (That's harder than Myth since most of the info is obsolete and now 404)
[19:00:00] Knghtbrd: however, PS2 games at 1sec lagtime suck
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[19:01:00] ofer: that lag time is because mythtv plays a buffer, not the actuall stream that comes off the hardware
[19:01:00] ofer: a straight framegrabber won't help
[19:01:00] Knghtbrd: No, there's a lag off the hardware if my firewire adapter is any indicator.
[19:01:00] ofer: your mileage may vary, different hardwars have different latencies
[19:01:00] Knghtbrd: used to use such with xawtv =)
[19:02:00] ofer: what firewire adapter are you using?
[19:02:00] Knghtbrd: mythtv didn't exist back then
[19:02:00] Knghtbrd: ADVC-100
[19:02:00] ofer: canopus?
[19:02:00] Knghtbrd: yes
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[19:02:00] Knghtbrd: works soso if you set the audio to unlocked
[19:03:00] Knghtbrd: not that it matters, it's plugged into a mac using a shareware app that can't keep the audio locked anyway..
[19:03:00] ofer: thats odd, we were using the 100 for analog to digital conversion; it was the least latency of any unit we've tried
[19:03:00] Knghtbrd: if I can get the PVR card into some mode where v4l2 sucks the frames out of the card before they're MPEG'd, I have what I want.
[19:04:00] ** Knghtbrd nods **
[19:04:00] ofer: yeah, i dont know whether it can do that or not
[19:04:00] ofer: the pvr 250 that is
[19:04:00] ofer: you can run two like you said before
[19:04:00] Knghtbrd: You apparently can with the blackbird design (which some 250s apparently are), but I should stay far, far, far away from that I think.
[19:04:00] ofer: bttv framegrabbers can be had near $10 nowadays
[19:05:00] ofer: and those should have very little latency
[19:05:00] Knghtbrd: virtually none
[19:05:00] Knghtbrd: I think the latency is down in the usec range
[19:05:00] ofer: you seem to know the answer already :P
[19:05:00] ofer: get a pvr 250 for the tivo like functionality and the seperate framegrabber when you want to play games
[19:06:00] Knghtbrd: okay, now is 250 better than 150?
[19:06:00] Knghtbrd: I mean really?
[19:06:00] ofer: no
[19:06:00] ofer: but 250 is better supported in linux
[19:06:00] Knghtbrd: hmm
[19:07:00] Knghtbrd: so 500 is probably not wise at the moment?
[19:07:00] ofer: same problem
[19:08:00] ** Knghtbrd nods **
[19:08:00] ofer: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=SupportedHardware
[19:08:00] Knghtbrd: I knew the 500 was basically a pair of 150s
[19:08:00] ofer: i have a 350 and it works great using cable, it locks up a lot using antenna
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[19:08:00] ofer: the card itself that is
[19:08:00] ofer: not the machine
[19:09:00] Knghtbrd: ah, the TBC-fixable issue?
[19:09:00] ofer: never heard of that
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[19:10:00] Knghtbrd: while trying to make sense of ivtv, found that ivtv cards sometimes lockup if the signal isn't clean (bad VHS tapes or poor antenna signal, but more the former than the latter)
[19:10:00] ofer: yeah
[19:10:00] ofer: thats probably it
[19:10:00] Knghtbrd: suggested solution was an external TBC
[19:11:00] Knghtbrd: with advice favouring one that was not just a cheap thing design to let you copy rental VHS's  ;)
[19:12:00] Knghtbrd: speaking of the retardedness that is Macrovision, my PS2 has it on DVD playback obviously, even when playing some of the FMV sequences in games..
[19:12:00] Knghtbrd: I remember a patch for the bttv driver back in the 2.4 daze... It was to add support for an ATI card with a Brooktree chipset.
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[19:13:00] Knghtbrd: I don't know if the patch ever was integrated, but it featured a nice little one-line patch I applied anyway--it relaxed the NTSC timings a bit and made the old '879 immune to macrovision
[19:14:00] ofer: i never noticed macrovision
[19:14:00] ofer: then again, i play dvds on the computer
[19:15:00] Knghtbrd: The Conexant chips are basically slight tweaks to the Brooktree designs... I could probably dig up the old patch if I had to for the cx driver, but can similar be applied to the ivtv driver maybe? =)
[19:16:00] Knghtbrd: at the time you couldn't search back in a Linux DVD player
[19:16:00] Knghtbrd: only prev chapter
[19:16:00] ofer: that must have been a long time ago
[19:16:00] Knghtbrd: About two years I think.
[19:17:00] ofer: dunn
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[19:19:00] ofer: do you use windows anywhere?
[19:19:00] Knghtbrd: Anyway, I feel I have the right (God-given, if you like) to disable Macrovision. It interferes with quality and is a stupid thing that is just designed to annoy people with absolutely zero chance of accompishing its stated intention of reducing media piracy =)
[19:19:00] Knghtbrd: Nah, if I need to get work done, I have my Macs
[19:19:00] ofer: hehe
[19:19:00] ofer: i want people to help me with winmyth
[19:19:00] ofer: i wrote a windows frontend
[19:19:00] Knghtbrd: Like Windows, they run Office without headache. Unlike windows, they don't require reboots four times before your work is done.
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[19:20:00] Knghtbrd: hm, XFS is generally regarded as safer than JFS?
[19:21:00] ofer: i dunno, i use e3fs
[19:21:00] ofer: i'm not sure the performance gain is even remotely significant
[19:21:00] Knghtbrd: Two years ago, only Gentoo supported both, and neither were really good if you didn't live on the bleeding edge
[19:21:00] Knghtbrd: I read somewhere in my googling that Myth likes XFS and JFS for media storage
[19:22:00] ofer: yeah
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[19:22:00] ofer: but it works fine with e3fs
[19:22:00] ofer: i'm using a pII 300 and it works fine
[19:22:00] Knghtbrd: ah
[19:22:00] Knghtbrd: I'm good then. =)
[19:23:00] ofer: what are you planning on using?
[19:23:00] Knghtbrd: I don't have anything slower than PII-400.
[19:23:00] ofer: that should be fine
[19:23:00] Knghtbrd: For ivtv encoding.
[19:23:00] ofer: but you must use a hardware mpeg encoder
[19:23:00] ofer: yeah
[19:23:00] Knghtbrd: If I try with the framegrabber, I need like 2GHz
[19:23:00] Knghtbrd: OTOH, I can do MPEG4 insteado of MPEG2  ;)
[19:23:00] ofer: yeah, but at least you get an mpeg4 instead of mpeg2 =)
[19:24:00] ** Knghtbrd quietly extracts self from ofer's brain **
[19:24:00] ofer: heh
[19:24:00] Knghtbrd: won't be getting dual anything with that though
[19:25:00] ofer: why not?
[19:25:00] ofer: the pci bus isnt any worse
[19:25:00] Knghtbrd: because 2GHz isn't enough to encode dual MPEG4
[19:25:00] ofer: as long as you have an overlay capable video card, everything should be fine
[19:25:00] ofer: oh
[19:25:00] ofer: i thought you meant something else
[19:26:00] Knghtbrd: Now, Philips is what compared with Conexant for quality?
[19:26:00] ofer: you know that mythtv can also encode in an mjpeg variant
[19:26:00] Knghtbrd: pfeh.
[19:26:00] Knghtbrd: I don't have that much HD space =)
[19:26:00] ofer: i dont know what you mean, virtually all framebuffers use connexant
[19:26:00] ofer: phillips makes a tuner
[19:26:00] ofer: and hauppauge uses that
[19:27:00] ofer: but there are other brands of tuners that will mesh with the connexant chip
[19:27:00] Knghtbrd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814160017
[19:28:00] Knghtbrd: too bad it's not a low-profile card
[19:28:00] Knghtbrd: I'm considering that I may want to go for LP
[19:29:00] ofer: you don't need a tuner on the framegrabber
[19:29:00] Knghtbrd: that is true
[19:29:00] ofer: only for the pvr
[19:29:00] Knghtbrd: those without are somewhat more difficult to find
[19:30:00] Knghtbrd: although I could drop back to one that had mono tuner
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[19:33:00] Knghtbrd: hmm, this one would be perfect if not for the AV spider cable
[19:36:00] Vitamen: anyone know how to convert a .avi or .mpg to dvd files?
[19:40:00] Knghtbrd: BTW, if anyone wants a pair of analog 5.1 speakers, today is the day
[19:40:00] Knghtbrd: er, s/pair/set/
[19:40:00] Knghtbrd: it's late--10am
[19:42:00] Knghtbrd: http://dealmac.com/newsdaily.html?article,94308 <-- I think they look silly.
[19:42:00] Knghtbrd: but for $20, who's gonna argue?
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[19:57:00] Vitamen: de interlace helped my live tv playback a lot
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[20:00:00] Vitamen: how much ram would you recommend for a pvr system?
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[20:04:00] ol_schoola: good afternoon fellow mythers, anyone care to field an azap question? #linuxtv is pretty dead right now
[20:07:00] ol_schoola: manually tuning azap to various stations returns SS=fff0 and SNR=ea60 (always, for any station) and i do not get FE_HAS_LOCK. antenna has mighty fine signal coming down
[20:08:00] ol_schoola: scan works fine in mythsetup but (obviously) cannot tune to a darn thing
[20:08:00] ol_schoola: what might i be missing here?
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[20:13:00] rtsai: how do you know the antenna has "mighty fine signal"?
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[20:14:00] ol_schoola: works like a champ connected to an NTSC tuner and my Sencore test unit is kicking out mad numbers for all the 8VSB transports
[20:14:00] rtsai: i have some channels where azap does the same thing, and they just plain don't work (but other channels where I get FE_HAS_LOCK do work)
[20:14:00] rtsai: maybe your channels.conf is wrong?
[20:14:00] ol_schoola: checked it against previous known good, shopuldn't be the problem
[20:15:00] ol_schoola: brb, gonna recheck, murphy's law and all....
[20:16:00] ol_schoola: channels.conf checks out
[20:17:00] ol_schoola: i had three which couldn't lock continuously at my old home, new one has no problems
[20:17:00] rtsai: i've got nuthin' then, sorry.
[20:17:00] rtsai: things used to work and now they don't (you moved), or you're trying to get set up?
[20:18:00] ol_schoola: 1) three channels no workie at old home, 2) move, 3) all channels work flawlessly, 4) rebuilt three weeks after move onto FC4, 5) breakage
[20:18:00] rtsai: I started out using HD-3000 with old pcHDTV V4L drivers, which had a nice "pchdtvsignal" program to show signal strength on various channels. So I knew things at least worked on that end before I switched to DVB.
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[20:18:00] rtsai: ah, rebuild woes.
[20:19:00] ol_schoola: yep
[20:19:00] rtsai: what kind of capture card + antenna?
[20:19:00] ol_schoola: i'm doing something fundamentally incorrect with the dvb/a2pc setup
[20:19:00] ol_schoola: should the nxt2002 firmware still be hand copied to /lib/firmware?
[20:20:00] rtsai: I'm using an HD-3000 card with indoor Radio Shack UHF antenna, and I sometimes get badsignal symptoms if the antenna is turned the wrong way
[20:20:00] ol_schoola: (forgive me, i'm still noob at handling /dev, /udev and linux devices
[20:20:00] rtsai: I had to hand-copy my or51132.fw into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/
[20:21:00] rtsai: I think there were messages in dmesg or some place like that telling me where it wnated to find the files.
[20:22:00] ol_schoola: <ol_schoola kicks himself repeatedly>
[20:22:00] ol_schoola: missing firmware per dmesg
[20:22:00] ol_schoola: right in front of my eyes the whole time
[20:23:00] ol_schoola: messages didn't complain and vaguely looked like it had been picking up the firmware, wasn't
[20:24:00] ol_schoola: anyone recall where FC4 expects the fw file?
[20:24:00] rtsai: try "locate firmware"; maybe it already set up an empty directory for that stuff
[20:25:00] xris: /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin
[20:25:00] ol_schoola: looks to be /lib/firmware, last time i solved this was on FC2
[20:26:00] xris: rpm -ql `rpm -qa ivtv-firmware\*`
[20:26:00] ol_schoola: thanks Chris
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[20:26:00] xris: ol_schoola: I use atrpms to grab the firmware... but install the driver by hand
[20:27:00] ol_schoola: i didn't see the driver package in atrpms for FC4, was there for FC3 (this was last week)
[20:27:00] fatmatt: what deinterlace settings are people using for tv output?
[20:28:00] rtsai: how do people run mythtv-setup? I recently stuck an "EXEC mythtv-setup" into one of my menu .xml files. Obviously this opens up opportunity for bad people to do bad things, but it beats having to ssh into the box just to startup mythtv-setup for casual poking around ...
[20:28:00] zuralin: i run mythtv-setup via x11 forwarding
[20:28:00] fatmatt: I was using vnc
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[20:29:00] fatmatt: for casual poking around, I generally use phpmyadmin to edit the settings table in the database, or some of the mythweb stuff
[20:30:00] rtsai: That still requires another computer. The problem is I have a super old laptop in the living room that takes like 15 minutes to boot (Windows XP) before I can start up an ssh client or web browser or anything like that.
[20:31:00] TimeW0lf: may I ask some questinos here if I'm having trouble with my mythtv installation?
[20:31:00] rtsai: TimeW0lf: yes you may :).
[20:32:00] fatmatt: I don't have a keyboard on the backend/frontend machine in the living room, so everythings got to be done remotely
[20:32:00] fatmatt: rtsai: seriously? 15min to boot?
[20:33:00] TimeW0lf: no remote?
[20:33:00] rtsai: P2–233MHz laptop circa 1998 :)
[20:33:00] rtsai: 15 mins might be an exaggeration
[20:33:00] rtsai: *might*
[20:33:00] rtsai: I have a remote now. I'm just disturbed at how easy it is to configure mythtv-setup from the couch now.
[20:33:00] rtsai: I also have a wireless keyboard, but I haven't had to take that out for a few months now.
[20:34:00] TimeW0lf: its probably easier to do actualy browsing for shows with a keyboard
[20:34:00] fatmatt: I've got a remote, but the limited keys makes running stuff from it pointless, also got a wireless keyboard, but it doesn't get used, just sits there running down batteries until I rip them out for the remote
[20:34:00] rtsai: I don't think I'm getting "more" done. Windows 98 used to run fine, but each successive thing took longer and longer without really doing more (Win2k, WinXP, etc.) :(
[20:35:00] fatmatt: why not stick with 98 on it?
[20:35:00] fatmatt: Most of the stuff I use the work pc's for could be done with 3.1
[20:35:00] TimeW0lf: yeah, just leave 98 on it, its not like u can really install too much on it
[20:35:00] rtsai: because i have a network and I think win98 doesn't play well with the other networking stuff as well
[20:35:00] rtsai: once it boots, things actually run fine (Mozilla, etc.).
[20:36:00] rtsai: It's just the booting that takes forever.
[20:36:00] TimeW0lf: how much RAM does it have?
[20:36:00] xris: man, with 3.1, I'd just stick on linux and use wine.
[20:36:00] rtsai: It's "maxed out" (heh) at 144MB.
[20:36:00] rtsai: laptop won't take any more.
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[20:36:00] TimeW0lf: oh, u probably should not be running XP with 144MB ram
[20:36:00] fatmatt: there was an article I read somewhere about a program that lets you install a mininimal xp system
[20:36:00] rtsai: the other reason I need XP is that my wife uses the laptop for connecting to work sometimes.
[20:36:00] rtsai: (VPN software)
[20:37:00] TimeW0lf: how can u get anything done with so little ram? XP is sluggish with 256mb...
[20:37:00] rtsai: It's sad. Next room over has a nice modern desktop machine running Windows very zippily, but I guess there's something about doing stuff on a couch.
[20:37:00] rtsai: TimeW0lf: I've done a lot to turn off services, eye candy, etc.
[20:38:00] fatmatt: I need to get more ram with my laptop, except there are 2 ram slots, 1 buried in the machine somewhere, 1 accessible,
[20:38:00] rtsai: I actually I'm most hindered by a slow disk drive at this point.
[20:38:00] rtsai: e.g., I've been using Firefox and puTTY all morning and haven't heard the disk drive spin up once I got started.
[20:38:00] TimeW0lf: dont u think u could get better performance with 98se? or maybe rh6.1 or something?
[20:38:00] fatmatt: I had it repaired about a year and a half ago, bastard repair guy put the ram back in the easy to access port, now I need to pull apart the whole thing to put extra in
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[20:39:00] rtsai: TimeW0lf: I have a Windows XP VPN software requirement for this old laptop.
[20:39:00] TimeW0lf: well, I believe the 15 minute bootup time..
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[20:43:00] rtsai: So TimeW0lf , what was your problem?
[20:43:00] TimeW0lf: I'm having a hard time getting mythtv to work already...
[20:44:00] TimeW0lf: it starts up and everything, but I see these messages in my syslog that have to do with bttv
[20:44:00] rtsai: I don't have a bttv-based system, sorry. I won't be able to help you with that.
[20:44:00] TimeW0lf: I'm not even sure what bttv means... its a type of driver for video cards?
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[20:45:00] rtsai: yeah, analog capture card related stuff.
[20:45:00] rtsai: I use HD-3000 to capture digital TV over the air.
[20:46:00] fatmatt: TimeW0lf: what are the messages?
[20:46:00] TimeW0lf: neat
[20:46:00] TimeW0lf: those are expensive cards no?
[20:46:00] fatmatt: whats the card?
[20:46:00] rtsai: HD-3000 is something like $170 now.
[20:47:00] TimeW0lf: well, I have a pvr-150, and I dont really have a video card for output yet – I have some onboard VGA thing that rips off RAM from the system
[20:47:00] TimeW0lf: the errors in the syslog, as far as I can tell, are: "modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting bttv"
[20:48:00] rtsai: you build your own kernel, or using some distro?
[20:48:00] fatmatt: I don't know much about the pvr, I've got a bttv card,
[20:48:00] rtsai: I've seen that error when I build my own kernel and don't build all the prerequisites for a particular module.
[20:48:00] ol_schoola: xris: tried stuffing it into /lib/modules... no luck, moved to /lib/firmware – <schwing>
[20:48:00] fatmatt: is that the only error there is?
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[20:48:00] TimeW0lf: its the original kernel, 2.6.11, that came with fc4
[20:48:00] xris: ol_schoola: dunno. why not just use atrpms?
[20:49:00] ol_schoola: xris: thanks for the pointer, now, onto your most incredibly useful perl script. thanks a million for THAT one
[20:49:00] xris: which script? I have a lot
[20:49:00] ol_schoola: have been using Axel's, just didn't see the dvb-driver package for FC4 last week, only saw it in FC3 repo
[20:50:00] ol_schoola: the HDTV2SCAN.pl jobber .... very handy
[20:50:00] xris: ah
[20:50:00] ol_schoola: beats editing by hand
[20:50:00] xris: I expect that dopester will have that integrated into myth by the next version.
[20:50:00] rtsai: what's HDTV2SCAN do?
[20:50:00] ol_schoola: xris: awesome
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[20:52:00] ol_schoola: rtsai: you had to hand edit various db parameters (xmltvid for one) to get the channels scans for HDTV cards to line up with DataDirect lookups ... PITA
[20:52:00] ol_schoola: rtsai: xris' script makes it a snap
[20:53:00] rtsai: ah. Too late for me; I had to do it the hard way.
[20:55:00] xris: ol_schoola: except that I need to fix it so it doesn't allow _ characters
[20:55:00] xris: I didn't notice since I use a keyboard for navigation (and don't use myth for watching tv)...
[20:55:00] ol_schoola: xris: do you mean _ used in channel nums as reported by DD?
[20:56:00] ol_schoola: xris: translating that might head off a lot of useless threads on the list <vbg>
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[21:00:00] xris: ol_schoola: yes.
[21:00:00] xris: should just remove it completely...
[21:00:00] xris: so 4_1 becomes 41
[21:00:00] xris: I think that's how most tv's deal with it.
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[21:08:00] beavis: xris: do you have an idea why mythweb isn't asking for a password? .htaccess is ok (the first four lines) and there is a appropriate .htpasswd for my apache2.
[21:08:00] xris: htpasswd owned/read only by apache?
[21:09:00] beavis: :-( root:root
[21:11:00] xris: ok, amarok is pretty slick
[21:11:00] xris: mythmusic needs some stuff like this. heh
[21:12:00] ** beavis only uses amaroK, best app ever **
[21:12:00] beavis: with all the lyrics and cover stuff
[21:13:00] xris: lyrics?
[21:14:00] xris: what I really like is the "suggested songs" stuff
[21:14:00] beavis: you always get all the lyrics for every song you play
[21:14:00] xris: I don't see them
[21:15:00] laga: beavis: for _every_ song?
[21:15:00] beavis: http://amarok.kde.org/index.php?set_albumName . . . ew_photo.php <-- xris
[21:15:00] beavis: there's a lyrics tab
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[21:16:00] xris: haha, didn't see it.
[21:16:00] xris: and wikipedia. heh
[21:17:00] djperegrine: um my whole myth system just got really screwed up, my mythconverg database doesn't exist anymore
[21:17:00] djperegrine: when I try to create it, it says can't create database, error:28
[21:17:00] ldam: djperegrine, is mysql running?
[21:17:00] beavis: xris: heh, and with 1.3 there is a wikipedia tab too. not bad to see the discography and more information about the music I listen too
[21:17:00] djperegrine: perror 28 says error 28: No space left on device
[21:17:00] djperegrine: yes its running
[21:18:00] beavis: xris: all the files in /var/www/mythweb belong to root:root here on debian. Is it ok?
[21:18:00] djperegrine: I have 15 gigs left
[21:18:00] laga: djperegrine: you're probably out of inodes
[21:18:00] djperegrine: inodes?
[21:18:00] djperegrine: what does that mean/ what should I do ?
[21:18:00] xris: beavis: as long as the image cache directory is writable by apache
[21:19:00] xris: and htaccess is owned and read only by apache
[21:19:00] xris: htpasswd, that is.
[21:20:00] beavis: ll /var/.htpasswd
[21:20:00] beavis: -r-------- 1 www-data www-data 45 2005-08–16 13:50 /var/.htpasswd
[21:20:00] beavis: ok ^^^ ?
[21:21:00] beavis: hmm it still doesn't ask for the password.
[21:22:00] djperegrine: laga, df -i says I have 142727 free on / ; 1044 on /cache and 7414 on /myth
[21:23:00] fatmatt: beavis: I was having the same problem with apache-ssl
[21:24:00] fatmatt: I changed AllowOverride None to All and I get the password now
[21:25:00] fatmatt: in httpd.conf
[21:28:00] beavis: I changed AllowOverride from None to All in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[21:29:00] fatmatt: does it work?
[21:30:00] djperegrine: hello?
[21:31:00] fatmatt: hi
[21:32:00] djperegrine: can someone help me get my mysql database up again ?
[21:32:00] beavis: fatmatt: no, no chance. It just doesn't ask for the password
[21:35:00] fatmatt: maybe add /var/www/mythweb to the /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf file??
[21:35:00] fatmatt: actually, /var/www/mytweb is a symlink on my machine
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[21:35:00] fatmatt: then again, it could be something completely different
[21:38:00] fatmatt: oh, and sites-available doesn't look like its used in the apache2.conf file I've got here
[21:38:00] fatmatt: ibut I'm not using apache2 so I can't confirm
[21:39:00] fatmatt: anyway, sleepy,
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[21:41:00] Raven_301: Is there anyone how is using the pcHDTV? HD-3000 card ... I would like to ask a few question about it??
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[21:47:00] KaiForce: anyone streaming with mythstreamtv or vlc (or both?)
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[21:48:00] KaiForce: whoops
[21:49:00] Mrgoose: yo
[21:49:00] Mrgoose: how can i convert mpg,avi to dvd?
[21:50:00] KaiForce: ez-coaster creator?
[21:57:00] redfox: are there any good comparisons out there between the pcHDTV and other linux-compatible video capture cards?
[21:58:00] redfox: or could anyone recommend one over the others?
[22:02:00] xris: redfox: comparing what kind of card? hdtv tuners?
[22:02:00] xris: or hardware encoder sdtv tuners?
[22:06:00] redfox: xris, well probably sdtv is sufficient
[22:06:00] redfox: since I don't have an HDTV currently
[22:07:00] redfox: but I've heard that the pcHDTV is the way to go
[22:07:00] rtsai: I have HD-3000 and they work great, but I don't have cable TV.
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[22:07:00] redfox: rtsai, directtv?
[22:08:00] rtsai: over the air.
[22:08:00] redfox: ah I see
[22:08:00] redfox: I'm a little worried about interfacing with my cable box, but that doesn't really effect the tv tuner
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[22:08:00] rtsai: can't help you there
[22:09:00] redfox: rtsai, yeah I'll tackle that another day
[22:09:00] redfox: I think an IR blaster is my best bet
[22:09:00] xris: redfox: pchdtv only does htdv in hardware.. normal tuning is done via the standard software encoder.. not so hot.
[22:09:00] xris: you have cable, right?
[22:09:00] redfox: right
[22:10:00] redfox: well, digital cable. It has 6–8 hdtv channels
[22:10:00] xris: you options are to go with something like a pvr-150... or sign up for an HD cable plan (most digital plans come with HD) and get a firewire-capable box from your cable company.
[22:10:00] xris: if you're paying for HD, they *must* provide you with a box capable of firewire output if you ask.
[22:11:00] redfox: xris, I see, thanks for the help
[22:11:00] redfox: if I didn't go with hdtv, the pcHDTV wouldn't really work?
[22:13:00] xris: pchdtv is designed for capturing over-the-air hdtv signals, and with some tweaking, can grab *unencrypted* QAM channels over digital cable.
[22:13:00] xris: (which, if you're lucky, is the stuff you could get over the air in your area)
[22:13:00] xris: *anything* else has to be done via the software encoder, or not at all.
[22:14:00] redfox: how much juice does the software encoder take?
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[22:14:00] xris: a fair amount. and the quality is nowhere near as good as a $60 pvr-150
[22:14:00] redfox: xris, ok that's exactly what I needed to know
[22:14:00] rtsai: eh?
[22:14:00] xris: plus, pvr-150 has svideo and composite inputs...
[22:15:00] rtsai: you're saying pchdtv can do some kind of sdtv tuning?
[22:15:00] xris: rtsai: they claim it has a standard analog tuner
[22:15:00] redfox: comcast only offers 7 HDTV channels, so I think going through the digital cable box is the best bet
[22:15:00] rtsai: oh right
[22:15:00] xris: redfox: if you already pay for digital, then yes.
[22:15:00] xris: like I said, your option is to get a firewire box, or use something like the 150 with composite or svideo
[22:16:00] redfox: yeah thanks a lot, that really helps
[22:16:00] redfox: is the 350 any better than the 150?
[22:16:00] xris: only if you absolutely need the output.
[22:16:00] xris: (mind you, it *only* outputs mpeg2, so you wouldn't be able to use it for much else with mythtv, like mythvideo)
[22:16:00] redfox: ok not really, I'm getting a geforce 6600 gt
[22:17:00] xris: (it also costs 3x as much)
[22:17:00] redfox: yeah there is that... ;-)
[22:17:00] rtsai: why do you need such a nice graphics card
[22:17:00] xris: buy.com has some nice coupons, too.. I think one should work with the pvr-150
[22:18:00] xris: (personally, I prefer the MCE version, but the retail version has a remote, too)
[22:19:00] redfox: rtsai, I might use this computer for more that myth
[22:19:00] redfox: xris, thanks I'll look around buy.com
[22:20:00] xris: redfox: fatwallet.com, techbargains.com
[22:20:00] redfox: I use techbargains some, never seen fatwallet though
[22:20:00] redfox: also slickdeals is kinda nice
[22:21:00] xris: fatwallet has nice cashback stuff, too.
[22:21:00] xris: slickdeals is fairly sparse.
[22:21:00] SlicerDicer: I am trying to figure out how to use the cut feature in myth... I got all the points set for cut I just cant figure out how to get it to cut them out?
[22:21:00] xris: anyway, afk
[22:22:00] rtsai: SlicerDicer: once you have allthe cutpoints set, you have to transcode it.
[22:22:00] SlicerDicer: with?
[22:22:00] rtsai: Either hit "x" when watching the show, or go to the "Watch Recordings" menu, hit right on the show (there should be a little scissors logo for the show with cutpoints), and select "Begin Transcoding".
[22:23:00] rtsai: nuvexport also has some options for excising the cutlists, but I don't use nuvexport that much
[22:23:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: or use nuvexport's mpeg2cut option if you have mpeg2 files that you'd like to KEEP as mpeg2 files
[22:23:00] SlicerDicer: ok
[22:24:00] SlicerDicer: can i skip forward in the movie or show or will that mess up the transcoding?
[22:24:00] SlicerDicer: or do I have to watch the entire movie to transcode it?
[22:26:00] rtsai: they are independent of each other
[22:26:00] Raven_301: rtsai: What are you using with the hd3000? (satellite cable antenna)??
[22:26:00] rtsai: although anything that uses CPU will make transcoding take longer
[22:26:00] rtsai: Raven_301: over-the-air, indoor Radio Shack $20 UHF antenna
[22:27:00] Raven_301: rtsai: ok thanks ... I have a hd satallite ... would it work with that??
[22:29:00] rtsai: probably not
[22:30:00] rtsai: you need something that is capable of capturing whatever your satellite box outputs
[22:30:00] Raven_301: rtsai: ok I have a PVR150 ... just can't get it to work.
[22:31:00] Raven_301: rtsai: Is there a good guide on howto to get it to work (pvr150)??
[22:31:00] Raven_301: I've been trying for 2 weeks now :(
[22:32:00] Raven_301: That's why I was thinking of the hd3000
[22:33:00] rtsai: well, i don't have a pvr150. It should be the same as a pvr-250, no? Have you seen the MythTVology howto pages?
[22:34:00] Raven_301: what site is MythTVology on?
[22:34:00] laga: www.wilsonet.com
[22:35:00] Raven_301: thanks laga
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[22:35:00] Raven_301: I'll give it a try ... I have tried other howto's ... but no luck so far.
[22:35:00] rtsai: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=mythtv
[22:37:00] Raven_301: rtsai: I did google it ... but it came back with fedora and others :P
[22:39:00] TimeW0lf: anyone have any clue what to do with the following error when trying the LIVETV function on mythfrontend: "NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: rbuf://192.168.1.12:6543/video/livetv/ringbuf1.nuv"  ;?
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[22:42:00] Raven_301: Would anyone like to comment on MythDora??
[22:44:00] KaiForce: i've heard good things, but i'm a mythtvology user
[22:44:00] Raven_301: thanks KaiForce
[22:45:00] KaiForce: if i was installing as a new user i'd probably try that
[22:48:00] KaiForce: TimeW0lf did this ever work yet?
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[22:56:00] thechris: i'm so happy i finally got the pvr500 to work
[22:56:00] thechris: had to play musical chairs with the PCI slots
[22:57:00] Raven_301: thechris: what was final slot #?
[22:57:00] thechris: 4
[22:58:00] thechris: it turns out it only fits into 3,4, or 5
[22:58:00] Raven_301: something to try
[22:58:00] thechris: and if the sound card is in 5, neither card works. if its in 3, both work...
[22:58:00] KaiForce: 4&5 must share IRQ
[22:59:00] Raven_301: thechris: your using Gentoo?
[23:00:00] thechris: whats neat is that if i switch the pvr and sound card, only 1 tuner works...
[23:00:00] Mrgoose: anyone use packard bell remote and xine?
[23:00:00] thechris: Raven_301: yes
[23:01:00] Raven_301: thechris: never used it ... but I might give it a try ... nothing to lose at this point
[23:01:00] thechris: Raven_301: what do you use?
[23:02:00] Raven_301: thechris: used knoppmyth , mandriva 2005le , mandriva 2006
[23:02:00] thechris: hmm. does mandravia even have a package manager>
[23:02:00] Raven_301: Was going to try MythDora
[23:02:00] Raven_301: mandriva uses rpm
[23:03:00] Raven_301: Might try Fedora too
[23:03:00] thechris: maybe some debian?
[23:03:00] Raven_301: if all else fails
[23:03:00] thechris: i know you can get .deb packages for mythtv, mplayer, ivtv-unstable, and such
[23:03:00] thechris: is this for a dedicated PVR?
[23:04:00] Raven_301: yes ... using pvr150
[23:04:00] thechris: hmm. well then maybe one of the mythtv already set up distros would be best
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[23:05:00] Raven_301: Knoppmyth didn't work
[23:05:00] thechris: all you really need is mythtv, apache2, ivtv-unstable, mysql, php4/modphp, mythweb, and some other small things
[23:06:00] Raven_301: it's the pvr150 that I can't get to work :(
[23:06:00] thechris: what is the issue>?
[23:07:00] thechris: have you at least gotten ivtv up?
[23:08:00] Raven_301: I install it ok with the howto's but the card still doesn't work on the test
[23:08:00] thechris: did you do:
[23:08:00] Raven_301: I've done more searches and found somemore howto's ... I'm going to try them
[23:08:00] thechris: ivtvctl -p 5
[23:09:00] Raven_301: no ... not see that one
[23:09:00] Raven_301: what do it do
[23:09:00] thechris: that sets the input to the tuner
[23:09:00] thechris: the default is svideo i think
[23:09:00] Raven_301: i'll try that
[23:10:00] thechris: you may also want to find and install the ptune.pl scripts.
[23:10:00] Raven_301: ok
[23:10:00] thechris: then you can change channels from the cli
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[23:15:00] JabbaTheBobo: Hey folks, I'm having the following issue. Say I'm wathing live tv or something I've recorded and something bright (say a face) is against a dark background. I get a bit of purple on the left side of the face and a bit of green on the right side of the face. I'm using a Haupauge PVR250 for capture. Anyone else see this problem or know of a fix?
[23:15:00] JabbaTheBobo: wathing = watching
[23:16:00] thechris: JabbaTheBobo: possibly change the contrast, color, ect settings
[23:17:00] JabbaTheBobo: Yah that helps but it's still there. I'm thinking it's just a flaw in the PVR250 maybe
[23:17:00] sphing: whats the microphone device in linux
[23:18:00] thechris: JabbaTheBobo: could be a bit, that is true
[23:19:00] thechris: JabbaTheBobo: possibly you can also do fine-tuning on the frequencies
[23:20:00] JabbaTheBobo: thechris: haven't fiddled with frequencies. You mean freqs of the channels?
[23:20:00] travolta: /dev/dsp ?
[23:20:00] thechris: JabbaTheBobo: yeah. possibly its an issue there.
[23:20:00] thechris: JabbaTheBobo: failing that, you might be able to rig up some type of post-recording filter
[23:21:00] travolta: sphing, i know i record from line-in on my sound card with /dev/dsp
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[23:27:00] KaiForce: jabbathebobo, i haven't seen that, i have two 250s. However, I did have to move them away from my vid card, there was a bit of interference noticeable
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[23:33:00] ** laemmy says hallo **
[23:34:00] laga: the motorhead guy? a real pleasure to meet you
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[23:34:00] bigslam: yo
[23:34:00] laemmy: i try to start mythtv-setup as mythtv user but i dont have the password
[23:35:00] laemmy: not from motorhead
[23:35:00] laga: oh, sad.
[23:35:00] laga: well, which distro? something based on debian, i guess
[23:35:00] laemmy: a guy called laemmermann in germany
[23:35:00] laemmy: kubuntu
[23:35:00] bigslam: hmm if i get a DVR card or a PVR card and wanted to use it with my digital cable will it still need to pass throw the digital cable box or can i just use the pvr card?
[23:35:00] laga: laemmy: or, the biggest dork on viva ;)
[23:35:00] laemmy: yes
[23:36:00] laga: laemmy: well, are you using the binary packages?
[23:36:00] laemmy: i have used apt-get to install it
[23:38:00] DarkBeer: I'm following the howto for fedor mythtvology with a pvr-350. I'm at the section for running X on the 350's tv out, but getting an error that screen0 is deleted because of no matching config section, and that /dev/fb1 doesn't exist. if i check /var/log/messages, it indicates tv out is on fb1. any suggestions?
[23:38:00] bigslam: anyone?
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[23:50:00] bigslam: can i use that with my mythtv box? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 114639632946
[23:54:00] travolta: bigslam, probably yea
[23:58:00] Raven_301: bigslam: I'm using this http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 093467659728
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