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| [00:17:00] | Kitty-Kun: | hi |
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| [00:19:00] | mchou: | REyM]: you still around? |
| [00:19:00] | mchou: | REyM]: you figure out how to compile mplayer with xvmc? :) |
| [00:20:00] | REyM]: | Hmmm, is it nomral that mythtv.pro |
| [00:20:00] | REyM]: | l3l, wrong button |
| [00:21:00] | REyM]: | mchou yes |
| [00:21:00] | mchou: | REyM]: ok. |
| [00:21:00] | mchou: | just making sure |
| [00:21:00] | mchou: | all my video players have been recompiled to support xvmc |
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| [00:23:00] | Kitty-Kun: | in the setup it says $ cd database |
| [00:24:00] | Kitty-Kun: | from which directory do i do this? it does not say |
| [00:24:00] | REyM]: | mchou ok? |
| [00:24:00] | REyM]: | ok |
| [00:24:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: heh, true enough. and the devel headers, too :) |
| [00:25:00] | Kitty-Kun: | could somebody just tell me what directory i need to be in when i use cd database |
| [00:27:00] | mchou: | I dont get it. Do PC's actually survive car's environmental conditions? |
| [00:28:00] | Kitty-Kun: | if you do it right, hell yeah |
| [00:28:00] | mchou: | like I figure the heat would melt the processor :) |
| [00:28:00] | Kitty-Kun: | Cooling... |
| [00:28:00] | Kitty-Kun: | Lots and lots of cooling |
| [00:28:00] | Kitty-Kun: | must admit, in the winter that would be a very nicely overclockable computer |
| [00:29:00] | mchou: | cooling doesnt help when ambient temps are over 100 degrees F |
| [00:29:00] | Kitty-Kun: | water cooling does if you have refrigerant |
| [00:29:00] | Kitty-Kun: | btw |
| [00:29:00] | Kitty-Kun: | anyone know how to do oil cooling? |
| [00:29:00] | mchou: | at least not until AC kicks in. |
| [00:30:00] | mchou: | and I wonder how long the hard disk lasts. |
| [00:30:00] | REyM]: | Kitty-Kun just keep your hd ouh of the oil |
| [00:30:00] | Kitty-Kun: | No i mean |
| [00:30:00] | Kitty-Kun: | running oil through tubing |
| [00:30:00] | mchou: | all those temp changes and g's |
| [00:30:00] | fatmatt: | an acquaintance of mine had the hard drive in his car fail, took about 2 years |
| [00:31:00] | REyM]: | 2years is quite doable |
| [00:31:00] | mchou: | that's actually not too bad. I'd expected shorter. |
| [00:31:00] | fatmatt: | he did have it padded a little to stop huge sudden shocks, he's going cflash next though, |
| [00:32:00] | Kitty-Kun: | actually i bet you could create a mount for the hd so that instead of slamming forward it goes slowly enough to not kill it |
| [00:33:00] | fatmatt: | I'd go cflash, if you needed/wanted a hard drive for media storage then external usb hard drive |
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| [00:33:00] | mchou: | I'd think cflash is even less reliable than a HDD..... |
| [00:33:00] | Kitty-Kun: | Shocks wouldn't help any |
| [00:33:00] | mchou: | (assuming you write to it during normal use) |
| [00:33:00] | Kitty-Kun: | padding wouldn't help i mean |
| [00:34:00] | Kitty-Kun: | it'll still have momentum, and when you hit your brakes, the heads will still fly |
| [00:34:00] | fatmatt: | what would you be writing to it with? maybe gps data? |
| [00:34:00] | mchou: | fatmatt: mythdb? /tmp? |
| [00:35:00] | mchou: | of course /tmp can be tmpfs in memory. |
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| [00:36:00] | fatmatt: | think he was talking about ramdisks for /tmp but I think on the number writes he was planning on doing he could get a few years of use before he started to hit the limits of flash |
| [00:37:00] | fatmatt: | we use 512mb flash disks in a hardware setup at work, win98 basically, the one heres been running for 2 years |
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| [00:38:00] | fatmatt: | I think for multimedia then you'd reach the limit of flash pretty quiickly but it seems fine for the OS part of a system |
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| [00:47:00] | Kitty-Kun: | what tuner cards would you recommend? |
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| [01:09:00] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [01:09:00] | Beirdo: | scanning film is so time consuming :) |
| [01:09:00] | Mrgoose: | sup Beirdo |
| [01:09:00] | Mrgoose: | the fuck are you scanning film for |
| [01:10:00] | Beirdo: | because I take picturs |
| [01:10:00] | Beirdo: | and lots of them |
| [01:10:00] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [01:10:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:10:00] | Mrgoose: | Beirdo: link me to some good cacti scripts? |
| [01:10:00] | Beirdo: | search from cacti.net |
| [01:10:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [01:10:00] | Beirdo: | or write yer own, it's not that hard, really |
| [01:11:00] | Mrgoose: | heh |
| [01:11:00] | Mrgoose: | hmm, you have bout the best one i have seen |
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| [01:12:00] | Mrgoose: | doesn't make sense though |
| [01:12:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:12:00] | Mrgoose: | didn't you have to come up with some equations and stuff? |
| [01:12:00] | Beirdo: | I don't think I had to do many |
| [01:12:00] | Beirdo: | the mythtv time one was just a / 60, I think |
| [01:13:00] | Mrgoose: | hmm |
| [01:13:00] | Beirdo: | the addition, etc was all done by MySQL |
| [01:13:00] | Beirdo: | took a bit to get the query the way I needed it, but it's just a query that returns the number of minutes :) |
| [01:14:00] | Mrgoose: | oh, did you have time to santizie? |
| [01:14:00] | Cardoe: | hey Beirdo |
| [01:14:00] | Beirdo: | not yet, no, I've been home just a bit |
| [01:14:00] | Beirdo: | Heya, Cardoe |
| [01:14:00] | Cardoe: | got internet again! |
| [01:14:00] | Mrgoose: | oh cool, did you make that network statistics thing yoruself too? |
| [01:14:00] | Cardoe: | yay |
| [01:14:00] | Beirdo: | and I'm currently scanning pictures, which is pretty hands on |
| [01:14:00] | Beirdo: | what network stats? |
| [01:14:00] | ** Cardoe just got chases out of the kitchen. ** | |
| [01:14:00] | Cardoe: | hah! woman cooking me dinner again. |
| [01:14:00] | Cardoe: | love it |
| [01:14:00] | Beirdo: | heh :) |
| [01:15:00] | Beirdo: | the interface stats? |
| [01:15:00] | Mrgoose: | yea |
| [01:15:00] | Beirdo: | that's a standard part of cacti distribution |
| [01:15:00] | Beirdo: | just get net-snmp installed and working on the hosts, that's standard stuff |
| [01:15:00] | Beirdo: | the mythtv, sensors and smartd stuff is all custom |
| [01:16:00] | Beirdo: | most of the rest is stock |
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| [01:21:00] | XAD: | does anyone know if PVR500 has two radios (not what it should be but verified in real world)??? I get strange info from windows driver, but can't see they calling that chip... |
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| [01:22:00] | MrSpiffy: | yo! |
| [01:22:00] | MrSpiffy: | hey all – I just got a slimline dvd drive for 45 bucks |
| [01:22:00] | MrSpiffy: | shentech.com – dig it |
| [01:22:00] | MrSpiffy: | TEAC |
| [01:22:00] | MrSpiffy: | brandy new – no fancy package |
| [01:23:00] | MrSpiffy: | hw goes it with you? |
| [01:23:00] | MrSpiffy: | :) |
| [01:23:00] | Beirdo: | XAD: email Hauppauge and ask |
| [01:24:00] | MrSpiffy: | beir-do beor-do |
| [01:25:00] | MrSpiffy: | beer |
| [01:25:00] | MrSpiffy: | do |
| [01:25:00] | ** Beirdo yawns again ** | |
| [01:25:00] | Mrgoose: | Beirdo: could one make a graph to show the average time it takes a movie to be encoded? |
| [01:26:00] | Beirdo: | theoretically |
| [01:26:00] | Beirdo: | but you'd have to gather the information from somewhere |
| [01:26:00] | Beirdo: | if you can generate a number somehow, you can graph it |
| [01:27:00] | MrSpiffy: | question – about how big is a dvd rip file? |
| [01:27:00] | MrSpiffy: | like is it more than 2G ? |
| [01:27:00] | kormoc: | answer depends on the dvd |
| [01:27:00] | Mrgoose: | Beirdo: the "time" command generates a number |
| [01:27:00] | kormoc: | most dvd's are 5.2 gigs |
| [01:27:00] | MrSpiffy: | of couurse |
| [01:27:00] | kormoc: | but most dvd's contain stuff you don't need |
| [01:27:00] | kormoc: | so if you rip it out, who knows |
| [01:27:00] | MrSpiffy: | rip using x-vid movie is standard 100 min or so |
| [01:27:00] | Beirdo: | Mrgoose, yes, which you could log somewhere and parse, I guess |
| [01:28:00] | MrSpiffy: | I think I have a problem then |
| [01:28:00] | kormoc: | Mrgoose, depends on the bitrate, could be as low as 600 megs, as high as 5.2 gigs. |
| [01:28:00] | MrSpiffy: | ripping to a network drive – smb mount without the -o lfs option |
| [01:28:00] | XAD: | One FM radio receiver |
| [01:28:00] | XAD: | One FM radio receiver |
| [01:28:00] | XAD: | One FM radio receiver |
| [01:28:00] | XAD: | darn,.... Beirdo... it was easier than that... quoted from the web site... |
| [01:28:00] | ** kormoc pokes XAD. ** | |
| [01:28:00] | ** Beirdo slaps XAD with the trout ** | |
| [01:28:00] | ** Beirdo slaps XAD with the trout ** | |
| [01:28:00] | ** Beirdo slaps XAD with the trout ** | |
| [01:28:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:29:00] | XAD: | *** sorry my irc:cgi is not working as I want... *** sorry ** |
| [01:29:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:30:00] | XAD: | well, then it make sence why ivtv doesn't get the radio to work as they don't have implemented the radio-tuner chip yet... does anyone know if PVR150 also have a single -chip radio tuner?? |
| [01:30:00] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [01:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | I've ripped before with transcode – came out to about 1 gig an hour |
| [01:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | what do the "qulity" settings n myth equate to? |
| [01:32:00] | kormoc: | MrSpiffy, but you can set the bitrate with transcode as low as you want |
| [01:32:00] | kormoc: | it will just look horried. |
| [01:32:00] | MrSpiffy: | horrid is not what I'm looking for |
| [01:33:00] | MrSpiffy: | I tried "perfect" to see what it comes out like |
| [01:33:00] | kormoc: | I know that 180 megs a half hour of xvid encoded tv is wonderful. Tho that's dual pass likly |
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| [01:37:00] | ** Beirdo chuckles ** | |
| [01:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | I hope it ends up as an svi |
| [01:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | avi |
| [01:38:00] | Kitty-Kun: | could someone recommend a good tuner card? |
| [01:38:00] | Beirdo: | PVR250 |
| [01:38:00] | Beirdo: | now stop asking :) |
| [01:38:00] | MrSpiffy: | Kitty-Kun, check the site – but definately get one with a built in sound decoder chip |
| [01:38:00] | ** kormoc raises a eyebrow ** | |
| [01:38:00] | ** MrSpiffy would if he had it to do over again ** | |
| [01:39:00] | MrSpiffy: | this chewing up the sound card thing is icky |
| [01:39:00] | kormoc: | what PVR250 doesn't have one? |
| [01:39:00] | MrSpiffy: | who said I had a pvr250? |
| [01:39:00] | Kitty-Kun: | mew >.> |
| [01:39:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo recommended a pvr 250 |
| [01:39:00] | kormoc: | it just seemed like you were saying some didn't |
| [01:39:00] | MrSpiffy: | er nope |
| [01:39:00] | ** Beirdo lends kormoc a trout ** | |
| [01:39:00] | kormoc: | heh |
| [01:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | beirdo is fish happy today |
| [01:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | can I have a pvr250 ? |
| [01:40:00] | ** MrSpiffy ducks ** | |
| [01:40:00] | kormoc: | nah, but you can have a fish |
| [01:40:00] | Beirdo: | sure. |
| [01:40:00] | Beirdo: | go buy one |
| [01:40:00] | ** kormoc slaps MrSpiffy with a trout. ** | |
| [01:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | operative word -> have |
| [01:40:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:40:00] | kormoc: | when you buy it, you can have it! |
| [01:40:00] | MrSpiffy: | my old wintv 401 does not have one :/ |
| [01:41:00] | MrSpiffy: | yeah – I can see more cards in my server in my future |
| [01:41:00] | MrSpiffy: | forunately I have 2 pci slots left |
| [01:41:00] | kormoc: | just dump the wintv 401 |
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| [01:41:00] | MrSpiffy: | that wuld make 3 slots |
| [01:41:00] | Beirdo: | the 401 can sit on the shelf for later, buy some PVR250 or PVR500 (if you are adventurous) |
| [01:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | for it's limitations it's old but works. |
| [01:42:00] | kormoc: | and looks horried too |
| [01:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | kinda true there |
| [01:42:00] | kormoc: | buy 3 pvr 500's |
| [01:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | the quality isn;t as good as I'd like it to be |
| [01:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | can I have some moey? |
| [01:42:00] | kormoc: | and buy 6 different cable lineup's |
| [01:42:00] | MrSpiffy: | can I have some money? |
| [01:42:00] | kormoc: | nah |
| [01:42:00] | ** MrSpiffy ducks again ** | |
| [01:43:00] | MrSpiffy: | I just spent some cash on the server and a mini-itx box for the TV |
| [01:43:00] | ** kormoc replaces MrSpiffy's duck with a trout... to the face... ** | |
| [01:43:00] | MrSpiffy: | I gotta say, that set top box really makes the mythtv thing come together |
| [01:43:00] | MrSpiffy: | It's making me rip my cd collection |
| [01:44:00] | MrSpiffy: | I have dumb analog basic cable at the house |
| [01:44:00] | MrSpiffy: | which is fine for braodcast tv |
| [01:44:00] | MrSpiffy: | still not much on |
| [01:44:00] | MrSpiffy: | but myth makes it possible to record late night movies and tv easily |
| [01:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | which is when decent tv is on |
| [01:45:00] | ** MrSpiffy is not a fan of non stop reality tv from 8am to 10pm ** | |
| [01:45:00] | kormoc: | tv has times? |
| [01:45:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [01:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | sheesh – the programming dude |
| [01:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | are you one of those guys that bought "the nitpickers guide to star trek" or what? |
| [01:46:00] | Beirdo: | TV has times?? |
| [01:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | *thud* |
| [01:46:00] | Beirdo: | jeez, all times of the day is Law & Order time |
| [01:46:00] | Beirdo: | or Simpsons |
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| [01:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | south park |
| [01:46:00] | Beirdo: | I haven't watched liveTV in almost 2 years |
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| [01:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | recue me |
| [01:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | looking forward to the new season of nip tuck |
| [01:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | "edgy" tv |
| [01:47:00] | Beirdo: | they all get recorded, when they are on is irrelevant |
| [01:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | IE written for people older than 15 |
| [01:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | it is now |
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| [02:00:00] | Kitty-Kun: | so, where's my cursor go when i start mythtv |
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| [02:02:00] | kormoc: | it gets eaten. there's a option somewhere to not eat it, but myth is desgined to be used via the keyboard or remote |
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| [02:05:00] | Kitty-Kun: | well where's the option? |
| [02:05:00] | nickthenite: | is there any way to scan tv channels for pvr-250 |
| [02:06:00] | nickthenite: | when i try to watch tv using mythtv or mplayer /dev/video0 all i get is snow... |
| [02:06:00] | kormoc: | Kitty-Kun, somewhere in myth, it's a maze, you'll have to look around a bit. |
| [02:06:00] | kormoc: | Kitty-Kun, it might be in mythsetup too, I just know it exists. |
| [02:07:00] | kormoc: | nickthenite, use ptune to change the channel |
| [02:08:00] | nickthenite: | kormoc: i tried ptune-ui.pl to change the channel |
| [02:08:00] | nickthenite: | but i only get snow |
| [02:08:00] | kormoc: | nickthenite, then your tuner isn't working correctly |
| [02:08:00] | kormoc: | nickthenite, check the output of dmesg and see if it says anything bout the tuner |
| [02:08:00] | nickthenite: | but it works on windows |
| [02:08:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [02:09:00] | Kitty-Kun: | Windows is compatible with everything but linux and os x |
| [02:09:00] | kormoc: | that doesn't affect the linux drivers one bit. |
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| [02:20:00] | jcb: | hey, im from denmark and we dont use the terms 'Callsign' and 'Frequency ID'. so i was wondering if the 'Frequency ID' might be something like "E10" or "K11"? |
| [02:21:00] | xris: | Kitty-Kun: actually, osx is usually more compatible with windows than windows is.... |
| [02:21:00] | xris: | networking, that is.... |
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| [02:22:00] | riddlebox: | just try to network a windows xp home with win2k lol |
| [02:25:00] | rhstech: | Anyone had luck getting the Kameleon 15–2136 (4-In-One Remote from RadioShack) working with lirc? The guides I've found for the other Kameleon remotes aren't working for this one |
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| [02:27:00] | Agrajag-: | what's the problem? module for it doesn't load? |
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| [02:28:00] | rhstech: | I'm trying to communicate through the reciever on my Hauppauge WinTV Go Plus card (the Hauppauge remote works fine) but I can't get irw to show any output |
| [02:28:00] | rhstech: | I've tried the 0081 VCR code suggested in the guides, as well as many others, but I can't see anything |
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| [02:30:00] | Agrajag-: | do you see anything if you cat /dev/lirc0 and press stuff? |
| [02:31:00] | rhstech: | cat /dev/lirc0: No such file or directory |
| [02:31:00] | rhstech: | cat /dev/lirc works though. And no, I don't |
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| [02:32:00] | Agrajag-: | well.. there's your problem i guess |
| [02:32:00] | nickthenite: | hmm this is crazy..... need big time help |
| [02:32:00] | Agrajag-: | got batteries in the remote? :P |
| [02:33:00] | nickthenite: | i keep getting snow whenever i try to tune in via PVR250 |
| [02:33:00] | nickthenite: | i am using knoppmyth RA15 |
| [02:33:00] | nickthenite: | is there anyway to autoscan or even watch one channel by manually inserting the frequency.... tried ptune-ui.pl did not help |
| [02:34:00] | rhstech: | Lol, yeah, there are batteries. It turns on ;) It says I need to use the RC-5 protocol, which I think I am |
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| [02:34:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm well if the module loads ok and the device is there and you just dont get anything.. i have no clue sorry :/ |
| [02:35:00] | rhstech: | Ok, thanks for your help ;) I know it has to be something with the Kameleon remote, because the Hauppauge one works. Thanks again |
| [02:35:00] | Agrajag-: | oh |
| [02:35:00] | Agrajag-: | you're trying a remote that's not for that card? |
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| [02:36:00] | nickthenite: | scantv keeps saying no station |
| [02:36:00] | Agrajag-: | i dont think that'll work. i know with my analogue card it only accepts freqs from the remote that came with it |
| [02:36:00] | nickthenite: | but i can watch tv using my normal TV and same cable |
| [02:36:00] | rhstech: | Well, I know that others have gotten Kameleon remotes to work with the Hauppauge cards, as well as other Universal remotes. I just haven't seen anything specifically for my model |
| [02:37:00] | Agrajag-: | nickthenite: i have no idea because i dont use pvrxxx – but i thikn it's a driver issue, other people have come in here about that – maybe check the mailing list |
| [02:37:00] | nickthenite: | Agrajag-: i have been chking the mailing list for past 2 days |
| [02:37:00] | rhstech: | nickthenite: Try going into xavtv, change your palette to NTSC and your channel set to usa-cable and change channels. Worked for me |
| [02:38:00] | nickthenite: | rhstech: if i do that, will i be able to use mythv? |
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| [02:39:00] | rhstech: | nickthenite: Yep. Just close xaw and myth will work |
| [02:39:00] | nickthenite: | rhstech: i am now getting a snowy picture on my PC |
| [02:40:00] | nickthenite: | i am using ptune-ui.pl script |
| [02:40:00] | nickthenite: | the frequency listing is ntsc-cable |
| [02:40:00] | nickthenite: | is this correct? or usa-cable is different? |
| [02:40:00] | rhstech: | I used usa-cable. Not sure what the difference is |
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| [02:41:00] | riddlebox: | nickthenite:what pvr is it? |
| [02:41:00] | rhstech: | Agrajag-: Got some output from /dev/lirc. Is there an easy way to map my buttons, now? |
| [02:41:00] | nickthenite: | pvr250 |
| [02:41:00] | riddlebox: | did you get the firmware loaded and ivtv? |
| [02:42:00] | nickthenite: | yup |
| [02:42:00] | nickthenite: | kk.... i think there is problem in my cable |
| [02:42:00] | nickthenite: | heh |
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| [02:43:00] | rhstech: | Lol |
| [02:43:00] | Agrajag-: | rhstech: try irrecord – then create a lircrc based on that and then test with irw |
| [02:43:00] | rhstech: | Thanks, Agrajag! |
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| [02:44:00] | Agrajag-: | (or if you can find a lircd.conf for your remote that'll be easier than irrecord) |
| [02:44:00] | rhstech: | Yeah, there aren't any conf files for this remote, or I would. That would make my life easier ;) |
| [02:44:00] | jcb: | i get this error when i load 'mythfrontend': "Could not find theme: G.A.N.T.". What is weird is that i havent chosen a theme yet. Im using gentoo and mythtv + mythtv-themes is installed. Do someone know what i can do to correct this? |
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| [02:58:00] | pmowry: | Anyone using current CVS verion of Mythtv? I stopped keeping up when they switched to SVN or whatever. My only question: are there worth while features stable enough to get back into sync now or should I wait for a release? |
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| [03:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | I dunno about new features, but overall it's stable for me. |
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| [03:02:00] | jlarson: | I'm having a little trouble setting up the mythplugins anybody got a sec? |
| [03:02:00] | pmowry: | Looking at the commits mythgame is getting a rewrite, but my machine is to slow to worry about it anyway. I guess I'll update this weekend while the wife is out of town. |
| [03:03:00] | pmowry: | jlarson: what kind of trouble? |
| [03:03:00] | jlarson: | I've got it compiled and installed but I need to set up the database |
| [03:03:00] | jlarson: | there are sql files included with each plugin but they're only for upgrading. |
| [03:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | pmowry: Duh, yeah I didn't even consider that one. Yes, Mythgame is being changed a lot :) |
| [03:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | I was thinking about the main mythtv/frontend not the plugins heh |
| [03:05:00] | jlarson: | I'm sure there needs to be information pertaining to each plugin added to the database before they'll work, correct? |
| [03:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | jlarson: You only need to do the initial mc.sql |
| [03:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | the plugins will do everything else on their own |
| [03:05:00] | jlarson: | hmm |
| [03:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | mc.sql just creates the blank database and mythtv user |
| [03:05:00] | jlarson: | Well, when I run mythfrontend I don't have any of the extra options for the plugins... |
| [03:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | then the app and plugins setup the tables and default valiues on their own |
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| [03:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | then the plugins are not installed correctly |
| [03:06:00] | pmowry: | Thanks. All I really use is the main myth features, music and weather. I'll use the rest when I get a faster machine and quit using tv out on a pvr-350. |
| [03:06:00] | jlarson: | hmm.. |
| [03:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythfrontend will only show the plugins it sees as installed |
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| [03:07:00] | jlarson: | I installed mythtv using gentoo portage. Perhaps portage installs mythtv in a different place that the plugins are trying to install to? |
| [03:07:00] | pmowry: | jlarson: do a make install in the plugin directories again. When you start mythfronend you should se lines for each plugin plus dbchecks for each ( the first time) |
| [03:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | jlarson: That I wouldn't know |
| [03:08:00] | pmowry: | gentoo; That's my next project for a frontend. |
| [03:08:00] | jlarson: | well, where does mythtv normally get installed? portage installed it in /usr/share/mythtv |
| [03:08:00] | ** GreyFoxx is almost done his new project for a frontend. Got some of the docs started ** | |
| [03:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | jlarson: by default /usr/local |
| [03:09:00] | jlarson: | that's the problem |
| [03:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | so /usr/local/share /usr/local/bin etc |
| [03:09:00] | jlarson: | how would i specify to mythplugins to install in /usr/share/mythtv? |
| [03:09:00] | Krazylegz: | Didn't portage fix that for you? |
| [03:10:00] | jlarson: | portage doesn't have mythplugins |
| [03:10:00] | jlarson: | i had to install that manually |
| [03:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | configure has a --prefix opion |
| [03:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | option |
| [03:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | so --prefix=/usr should do it |
| [03:10:00] | jlarson: | right, cool thanks |
| [03:10:00] | pmowry: | not =/usr/local ? |
| [03:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | pmor: his portage'd install is currently in /usr, so he's trying to match the plugins to that |
| [03:11:00] | pmowry: | or in his case /usr/share |
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| [03:11:00] | jlarson: | right /usr/share |
| [03:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | no. /usr/share/mythv is where the themes and such are |
| [03:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | the "prefix" is /usr |
| [03:12:00] | pmowry: | ok, I'll be quite now ;) |
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| [03:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | pmor: hey, always speak up if you have aquestion or a differing opinion :) |
| [03:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's not like I've never been wrong before :) |
| [03:13:00] | Krazylegz: | What does mythplugins provide? |
| [03:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythmusic, mythgame,mythvideo,mythweather, etc etc |
| [03:14:00] | Krazylegz: | Portage includes those ones you specified. |
| [03:14:00] | Krazylegz: | They're just not in a single package. |
| [03:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [03:14:00] | pmowry: | They used to be seperate installs, but were bundled together with version 18. |
| [03:15:00] | pmowry: | sp jlarson's best bet it to grab the individual packages from portage then to strike out on his own for the bundle? |
| [03:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | For gentoo specific myth questions jlars: you might wanna check out #gentoo-mythtv |
| [03:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | not being a gentoo user myself I'm sure they might have a better chance of being right about portage related stuff |
| [03:16:00] | pmowry: | I would think it would be best to stick with a single package source to make support easier. |
| [03:17:00] | jlarson: | oh jeez |
| [03:17:00] | jlarson: | i'm emerging the packages now |
| [03:17:00] | jlarson: | heh |
| [03:17:00] | jlarson: | silly me |
| [03:18:00] | pmowry: | Just out of curiosity, what version are you getting out of portage? |
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| [03:18:00] | Krazylegz: | pmowry: http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=myth |
| [03:19:00] | jlarson: | not sure yet, apparently it has to download and install 18 dependencies first... |
| [03:19:00] | pmowry: | Thanks. |
| [03:20:00] | jlarson: | media libs |
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| [03:22:00] | ** xris wants to smack his wife's boss for not only using, but WANTING to use FrontPage for web design. ** | |
| [03:22:00] | jlarson: | i must say gentoo is pretty cool, it would have been a pain in the ass finding and installing all these dependencies |
| [03:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | xris: haha |
| [03:23:00] | xris: | GreyFoxx: he's a former-MS employee... |
| [03:23:00] | pmowry: | SO he should know better. |
| [03:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | drink the koolaid |
| [03:25:00] | pmowry: | BUt I guess it's one step better that using a save as from word ( I got a customer that does that) |
| [03:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh that's disgusting |
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| [03:28:00] | k-man: | i must give gentoo a go someday |
| [03:30:00] | jlarson: | i've really been enjoying it. portage works just as good if not better than freebsd ports |
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| [03:34:00] | jlarson: | hey, anybody happen to know how to disable standby for X? |
| [03:39:00] | Agrajag-: | standby? as in turning your monitor off or something like that? |
| [03:39:00] | Agrajag-: | xscreensaver-demo |
| [03:39:00] | jlarson: | yeah |
| [03:39:00] | Agrajag-: | check the settings in that |
| [03:39:00] | jlarson: | will putting 'xset s off' in .xinitrc work? |
| [03:40:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah – are you running xscreensaver though? |
| [03:40:00] | jlarson: | nope... that doesn't work... |
| [03:40:00] | jlarson: | no |
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| [03:45:00] | jlarson: | i think i can do xset -dpms. we'll see if that works |
| [03:54:00] | CanadaBoy: | anyone have ideas for controllers for mythgames? |
| [03:54:00] | CanadaBoy: | run under linux and good ith emulators? |
| [03:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | I just use a 5 year old usb gravis gamepad I have |
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| [04:03:00] | JamesF: | need for help |
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| [04:04:00] | charlesv: | heya |
| [04:04:00] | pmowry: | JamesF: You want to create a new translation, or just enable one of the existing ones? |
| [04:04:00] | charlesv: | for anyone who has bought or was thinking about getting an air2pc r0.2 HDTV card off ebay (50bucks!), they appear to be working in myth now :Dhttp://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=32187#32187 |
| [04:05:00] | JamesF: | I wan't creat a new translation for mythweather |
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| [04:07:00] | JamesF: | I I tried to add Chinese |
| [04:07:00] | JamesF: | support by adding mythweather_zh_cn.ts to i18n/i18n.pro and |
| [04:07:00] | JamesF: | i18n/translation.pro and used lupdate and translated a little bit of |
| [04:07:00] | JamesF: | mythweather_zh_cn.ts to Chinese and called lrelease get |
| [04:07:00] | JamesF: | mythweather_zh_cn.qm, make and make install. |
| [04:07:00] | JamesF: | There is no "simple chinese" option in MythWeather. But there is |
| [04:07:00] | JamesF: | mythweather_zh_cn.qm. |
| [04:08:00] | NightBird: | hey, do any of you guys know what extras knoppmyth comes with if any? |
| [04:08:00] | JamesF: | how can i enable it? |
| [04:08:00] | pmowry: | Well, I just deleted everything I was going to type. If you're that far your beyond my ability to help. |
| [04:10:00] | JamesF: | I can't find globalsettings.cpp in mythweather dir |
| [04:10:00] | charlesv: | also does anyone know what the release schedule is on knoppmyth? |
| [04:15:00] | pmowry: | JamesF: Thank you for trying to expand the mythtv. Perhaps posting it to the mailing list (user?) you may get better support. I believe there is one main guy who handles translations. |
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| [04:34:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, is att's VOIP better than Vonage? |
| [04:40:00] | pmowry: | Guys I work with with international families prefer ATT. Besides that I have no opinion. |
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| [04:46:00] | ** xris would go with vonage for the sole reason to NOT give money to a large monopoly ** | |
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| [04:48:00] | mchou: | xris: lol, that's hardly a good reason |
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| [04:48:00] | xris: | mchou: I think it's a great reason |
| [04:49:00] | rhstech: | Anyone in here ever set up the Kameleon 15–2136 (Radioshack 4-In-One) remote with LIRC? |
| [04:49:00] | xris: | I'm stuck with speakeasy voip for another 10 months or so, though.. they offer QoS on the line to make the quality "better" but it doesn't seem to help much, and you can't travel with the adapter, and whoever they pay to do the online management sucks. |
| [04:50:00] | mchou: | xris: heh |
| [04:50:00] | rhstech: | I've got a problem with irrecord, or perhaps my remote. Most buttons record fine, but some, like Channel Up and the Up Arrow flip flop every other key press |
| [04:50:00] | xris: | but I still feel good paying speakeasy instead of qwerst |
| [04:50:00] | mchou: | that doesnt necessarily meanvonage is better :) |
| [04:50:00] | mchou: | well, qwest sux, no doubt |
| [04:51:00] | mchou: | qwest should just do everyone a favor and declare bankruptcy. |
| [04:52:00] | pmowry: | hehe, I loved the ChoiceTV (vDSL) services I had from them in Phoenix. Nevermind it took nearly 3 months to get a phone line. |
| [04:52:00] | mchou: | rhstech: is this ratshack thingy a ir receiver or ir renote panel. |
| [04:52:00] | mchou: | remote* |
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| [04:53:00] | pmowry: | JamesF: Once you get it working, be sure to submit a diff to the dev list ;) |
| [04:53:00] | rhstech: | mchou: The Radioshack thing is the actual remote control, I'm communicating with the Hauppauge WinTV IR receiver |
| [04:55:00] | pmowry: | wintv capture cards work witm myth now? I thought only the PVRs worked. |
| [04:55:00] | mchou: | rhstech: ok. fair enough. Is the a 150 or 250 or ? |
| [04:55:00] | mchou: | wintv has always worked. |
| [04:55:00] | mchou: | just needed beefy cpu is all. |
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| [04:57:00] | rhstech: | It's the 150 |
| [04:57:00] | rhstech: | The reciever works fine with the Silver remote that comes with it, just not 100% with the Universal remote I bought at Radioshack |
| [04:57:00] | rhstech: | irrecord is picking up two different codes for the same button, alternating with every key press |
| [04:58:00] | mchou: | heh, that's a feature. |
| [04:58:00] | mchou: | that's what's known as discrete codes. |
| [04:58:00] | mchou: | check out remotecentral.com |
| [04:58:00] | rhstech: | Can I disable this feature? |
| [04:58:00] | mchou: | yup. I think so. |
| [04:59:00] | rhstech: | Because the two different codes it outputs are, for example, Channel Up and the Up Arrow |
| [04:59:00] | mchou: | Is this a JP1 remote? |
| [04:59:00] | rhstech: | Both of the keys on the remote issue the same two codes |
| [04:59:00] | rhstech: | I don't know |
| [04:59:00] | mchou: | open up the battery compartment and see if you have any pins. |
| [05:00:00] | mchou: | should be a 2x5 IDC header thingy..... |
| [05:00:00] | rhstech: | Nope, don't see any |
| [05:01:00] | mchou: | sigh, that's really too bad. |
| [05:01:00] | mchou: | remotecentral.com is your best bet. |
| [05:01:00] | rhstech: | Ok. Thanks a ton |
| [05:01:00] | mchou: | you need to try another code. |
| [05:01:00] | mchou: | this is a learning remote, no? |
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| [05:02:00] | rhstech: | Yeah, it is |
| [05:02:00] | mchou: | rhstech: also, the battery compartment doesnt even have holes for pins? |
| [05:03:00] | hadees: | does anyone know any quality yet reasonably priced ground loop isolators |
| [05:03:00] | mchou: | rhstech: also what version of lirc are you using? |
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| [05:04:00] | willy: | Can someone tell me where the setting is to save the current position on exit of playback? |
| [05:04:00] | rhstech: | I don't see pin holes or anything |
| [05:04:00] | mchou: | rhstech: ok. |
| [05:04:00] | rhstech: | And I'm using lirc 0.7.1 |
| [05:04:00] | pmowry: | willy: on a keyboard just hit the enter key before exiting. |
| [05:05:00] | pmowry: | Not sure how to do it on a remote. |
| [05:05:00] | mchou: | pmowry: I thought it's space on KB :) |
| [05:06:00] | mchou: | not enter. |
| [05:06:00] | willy: | pwowry: there used to be a setting in mythfrontend to automatically do it. Has it moved? |
| [05:06:00] | rhstech: | mchou: It seems that the 3rd to last number in the string is flopping between 1 and 9 |
| [05:06:00] | mchou: | yeah, Btn up/dn thing |
| [05:08:00] | rhstech: | What are discrete codes for? |
| [05:08:00] | mchou: | more functionality :) |
| [05:08:00] | pmowry: | willy: hmm, never used an auto setting. my guess would be under playback options. |
| [05:09:00] | pmowry: | I thought it was the enter key, maybe I remapped mine. |
| [05:09:00] | mchou: | rhstech: http://www.remotecentral.com/features/glossary1.htm |
| [05:09:00] | mchou: | rhstech: search for discrete codes |
| [05:11:00] | mchou: | rhstech: iirc hauppauge remote is RC-5 protocol. |
| [05:12:00] | mchou: | see if there is "RC-5" code in ratshack remote documentation. |
| [05:14:00] | willy: | Anyone else know where the automatic setting is for saving position on playback exit in version 18.1 |
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| [05:16:00] | Agrajag-: | willy: bookmark field of the recorded table? |
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| [05:20:00] | defaultro: | mchou, am back |
| [05:21:00] | pmowry: | willy: It's under Settings -> TV Settings -> Playback, on the 2nd page there is "Action on playback exit" |
| [05:21:00] | willy: | pmowry: are you using 18.1? |
| [05:21:00] | hadees: | anyone ever buy anything from avcable.com |
| [05:22:00] | willy: | pmowry: thanks I found it. |
| [05:23:00] | xris: | nope |
| [05:23:00] | pmowry: | THis one is CVS from May 23rd. So It's in between 18 and 18.1 |
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| [05:27:00] | pmowry: | Strange hotel. Anyone know how to get linux to use a DNS server at 0.0.0.2 or have a public one I can use? |
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| [05:33:00] | xris: | pmowry: by definition, all dns servers are public |
| [05:33:00] | xris: | well, more or less. |
| [05:33:00] | xris: | just do a whois on your home-isp's domain name and pick one of them. |
| [05:34:00] | pmowry: | I found one. My home ISP only works if I'm on one of thier subnets. |
| [05:35:00] | pmowry: | Strange that linux will not use 0.0.0.2 that my hotels DHCP handed out, but windows will. |
| [05:35:00] | xris: | pmowry: that's strange... dns needs to be open, or no one could look up machines hosted by that server. |
| [05:38:00] | xris: | man, SOO close to breaking $70 on my adsense. |
| [05:38:00] | ** xris goes off to click Beirdo's ads to build some good karma ** | |
| [05:52:00] | ** xris gazes dreamily at the iriver ifp-899 ** | |
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| [06:03:00] | Krazylegz: | I'm getting static in higher channels, but lower channels are fine on my PVR-350. Do I have the wrong tuner type, or do I just need to fine tune? |
| [06:04:00] | Chutt: | wrong tuner type is the most likely reason |
| [06:04:00] | Krazylegz: | That's what I thought. Thanks. |
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| [06:24:00] | JazHambo: | <JazHambo> Hi folks. I just finished putting together a myth box and I'm getting choppy video. I'm running a 1.2 GHz (AMD) with 256 RAM and a PVR250. I believe this is probably a software configuration problem from what I've read about minimum hardware requirements, but could someone with experience give me their opinion please? Thanks! |
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| [06:25:00] | psyon: | Is there any place I might find some button mappings for my Hauppauge remote? Just figure its good to start with a nice base and customize, then type them all in |
| [06:26:00] | pmowry: | psyon: The contrib directory in cvs has a sample file. Not sure it it is in any of the pacages though |
| [06:26:00] | psyon: | Ill check in CVS then :) ill assume there is a web interface somewhere |
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| [06:28:00] | psyon: | and do you mean in configfiles? |
| [06:28:00] | rhstech: | JazHambo: What video card are you using? |
| [06:28:00] | JazHambo: | Haupauge PVR-250 |
| [06:28:00] | pmowry: | Yep, guess you found http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mythtv/configfiles/ |
| [06:28:00] | psyon: | :) |
| [06:29:00] | rhstech: | JazHambo: Are you using that for Video-out as well? |
| [06:29:00] | psyon: | ahh... I think thats the same example I already saw, but its for the older remotes... and doesnt map the arrow buttons :( |
| [06:29:00] | JazHambo: | No I'm using the VGA out on the motherboard |
| [06:29:00] | psyon: | 250 doesnt have video out. |
| [06:29:00] | psyon: | does it? |
| [06:29:00] | JazHambo: | Correct |
| [06:29:00] | pmowry: | no, the 350 does. |
| [06:29:00] | JazHambo: | No vid out |
| [06:29:00] | psyon: | :) |
| [06:29:00] | psyon: | right, I have the 350 |
| [06:30:00] | psyon: | just arrived yesterday :) |
| [06:30:00] | rhstech: | Make sure you have the correct drivers for your VGA output, Jaz |
| [06:30:00] | rhstech: | I had to buy an NVIDIA card to get my video to run smoothly ;) |
| [06:30:00] | psyon: | I joined late, whats your issue Jaz? Not sure I can help, but always worth knowing the problem |
| [06:30:00] | pmowry: | That example lirc file worked great with my grey haupauge remote. |
| [06:30:00] | JazHambo: | Okay I'll look into that thanks. Arg hope I don't have to buy anything else. |
| [06:31:00] | psyon: | so out of curiosity, whats the slowest computer anyone has ever used and still managed to get livetv? |
| [06:31:00] | psyon: | with pause and stuff |
| [06:31:00] | JazHambo: | psyon: choppy playback. Just wondering if people thought it was hard or soft problem |
| [06:31:00] | theturtl_: | how do most ppl start mythbackend? |
| [06:31:00] | rhstech: | Jaz: If you have to, you can buy something really cheap like the MX4000 |
| [06:31:00] | theturtl_: | is there a service for it or? |
| [06:31:00] | psyon: | theturtl_: there is if you use the rpms from atrpms |
| [06:31:00] | psyon: | not sure otherwise |
| [06:32:00] | theturtl_: | ya no i built from source |
| [06:32:00] | Krazylegz: | There's usually a service. |
| [06:32:00] | hadees: | anyone use a hauppage card on windows? does it take as long to change the channel? |
| [06:32:00] | psyon: | Jaz: how fast is your system? |
| [06:32:00] | hadees: | as long as mythtv that is |
| [06:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Check the install notes. There may be a make target for installing mythbackend as a service. |
| [06:32:00] | Krazylegz: | hadees: Yes and yes. |
| [06:32:00] | Krazylegz: | If I recall correctly. |
| [06:32:00] | pmowry: | theturtl_: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/myt . . . mp;view=auto |
| [06:33:00] | JazHambo: | psyon: 1.2 GHz, 256 RAM |
| [06:33:00] | psyon: | is just live tv choppy? or all video playback? |
| [06:34:00] | psyon: | If all video is choppy, my first thought would be taht the XVideo (I think thats its name) extension isnt loaded |
| [06:34:00] | JazHambo: | Well it's choppy when I play recordings that were made while not watching also |
| [06:34:00] | psyon: | If its just live tv, I would check that your disks have DMA enabled |
| [06:35:00] | psyon: | might check the DMA thing anyways |
| [06:35:00] | JazHambo: | DMA is on |
| [06:35:00] | pmowry: | My backend is a P3–350 with a PVR-350 for recording/tv-out. Remote frontend on a P4–1Ghz with Nvidia ??4000 for tv-out. worked great. |
| [06:35:00] | psyon: | ok. |
| [06:35:00] | mchou: | P3–350?? |
| [06:35:00] | JazHambo: | Okay I'll look into the xvideo thing thanks |
| [06:35:00] | mchou: | is there even such a thing? |
| [06:35:00] | psyon: | xdpyinfo | grep XVideo |
| [06:35:00] | psyon: | that should tell you if its there |
| [06:36:00] | psyon: | What type of on board graphics is it also? Is there an accelerated X driver for it? |
| [06:36:00] | pmowry: | Its an old Dell Optiplex Pentium 3, 350Mhz, 768Mb ram. |
| [06:36:00] | psyon: | umm... PII-350 maybe |
| [06:37:00] | pmowry: | Or at least I think it is. Have not been home in a few months (I hate my job) |
| [06:37:00] | theturtl_: | thnx pmowry |
| [06:38:00] | psyon: | the P-III didnt go lower than 450 I thought |
| [06:38:00] | psyon: | and with the optiplex systems, if its slower than that, It should definatly be P2 |
| [06:38:00] | psyon: | not that that matters as much as the fact that its just a slow proc :) |
| [06:39:00] | mchou: | psyon: that's what I thought too :) |
| [06:39:00] | pmowry: | hehe, P2 MMX maybe? |
| [06:39:00] | psyon: | yeah, most likely |
| [06:40:00] | mchou: | pmowry: cat /proc/cpuinfo ought to tell ya. |
| [06:40:00] | Krazylegz: | I have a P5–200mhz w/MMX here if you want it! |
| [06:40:00] | psyon: | crap, the myth box wont boot now, and I dont have a monitor on it :( |
| [06:40:00] | psyon: | Ill have to see whats up tommorow |
| [06:40:00] | psyon: | all was working well |
| [06:40:00] | psyon: | finally got my channels working |
| [06:40:00] | psyon: | and rebooted it |
| [06:40:00] | psyon: | and BOOM! nothing. |
| [06:40:00] | JazHambo: | psyon (and rhstech): looks like you were right xvideo isn't loaded |
| [06:40:00] | mchou: | psyon: why did you reboot? |
| [06:41:00] | JazHambo: | can also chech with xvinfo |
| [06:41:00] | psyon: | mchou: I restarted mythbackend remotely, and the screen locally froze up, and I couldnt get it off :) |
| [06:41:00] | theturtl_: | Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/mnt/store//ringbuf1.nuv |
| [06:41:00] | theturtl_: | anyone know why this might be :/ |
| [06:42:00] | psyon: | Jaz: XVideo might be driver specific, what type of VGA card is it? |
| [06:44:00] | JazHambo: | It's on the mobo |
| [06:44:00] | psyon: | do you no what type though? |
| [06:44:00] | JazHambo: | One sec lemme check |
| [06:48:00] | JazHambo: | psyon: Integrated SiS Real256E 2D/3D Graphics |
| [06:48:00] | psyon: | ick. |
| [06:48:00] | psyon: | I hate sis graphics |
| [06:49:00] | JazHambo: | that doesn't sound good |
| [06:50:00] | psyon: | hehe |
| [06:50:00] | psyon: | Look in your xorg.conf, and see if its using Driver "sis" |
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| [06:50:00] | psyon: | assuming your using xorg :) but why wouldnt you be :) |
| [06:51:00] | DCG: | anyone know why mythweb would be dropping the first 5 letters out of the folder names under myth/video ? |
| [06:51:00] | DCG: | ie: i get mythweb/video_dir/orhelp instead of mythweb/video_dir/callforhelp |
| [06:51:00] | Krazylegz: | Prejudice. |
| [06:51:00] | pmowry: | hehe |
| [06:56:00] | Krazylegz: | DCG: What happens to folders with names shorter than 5 letters? |
| [06:56:00] | xris: | DCG: should be fixed in svn |
| [06:56:00] | xris: | actually, you should be able to grab those files from svn with no problem. |
| [06:57:00] | xris: | the video and music portions of mythweb are crap. |
| [06:57:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [06:57:00] | ** xris kicks himself for allowing those patches ** | |
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| [06:57:00] | Kronuz: | hello |
| [06:57:00] | ** psyon kicks xris for allowing those patches ** | |
| [06:57:00] | ** xris lobs trout at all of those people who offered to fix them and never did ** | |
| [06:57:00] | Kronuz: | hey, where did the VCD configuration go? |
| [06:57:00] | psyon: | not that I know what patches you mean |
| [06:57:00] | psyon: | but kicking people is fun |
| [06:57:00] | xris: | psyon: video and music portions of mythweb. |
| [06:57:00] | psyon: | :) |
| [06:57:00] | xris: | stuck with them now, but they show badly since my name is on the project. |
| [06:58:00] | psyon: | hahaha |
| [06:58:00] | Kronuz: | I just got the new MythTV from the cvs, and I don't see the VCD config anywhere!? |
| [06:58:00] | xris: | Kronuz: there is no cvs |
| [06:58:00] | psyon: | Jaz? any info? |
| [06:58:00] | Kronuz: | xris: sorry, the svn |
| [06:58:00] | psyon: | mmm... svn :) |
| [06:59:00] | psyon: | hmm... I wonder how well this 933 will handle recording via software encoding, while livetv is down with the hardware encoder/decoder |
| [06:59:00] | Kronuz: | anyway... there is the Play VCD, but there is no configuration for it |
| [06:59:00] | Kronuz: | (like there was before) |
| [06:59:00] | Kronuz: | why? |
| [07:00:00] | xris: | Kronuz: did you look in the settings section? |
| [07:00:00] | Chutt: | you didn't enable it when you configured the plugins |
| [07:00:00] | Kronuz: | xris: I'm pretty sure I did |
| [07:00:00] | Kronuz: | I sqw the DVD configuration, but not the VCD one |
| [07:00:00] | xris: | ahh |
| [07:00:00] | Chutt: | Chutt you didn't enable it when you configured the plugins |
| [07:00:00] | Kronuz: | (which was right there too) |
| [07:01:00] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [07:01:00] | xris: | Chutt: stop lecturing yourself about things you already know. ;) |
| [07:01:00] | Kronuz: | but how come there is Play VCD? |
| [07:01:00] | Chutt: | i dunno, how come? |
| [07:01:00] | Kronuz: | :P |
| [07:02:00] | DCG: | anyone got ideas on how to setup for a situation where you have 2 tuners (one firewire, one bt878) that both have to be used for certain channels? |
| [07:02:00] | Kronuz: | I finally got mame, gens, mupen64, zsnes, fceu, and stella working as they should in MythGame! :) |
| [07:02:00] | pmowry: | wow, that covers a few years. |
| [07:03:00] | theturtl_: | does anyone know is there a simplayer app that works with ivtv for tv viewing? |
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| [07:03:00] | theturtl_: | :D |
| [07:03:00] | theturtl_: | mythtv is making my hair fall out |
| [07:03:00] | pmowry: | I was playing yars revenge in stella a few weeks ago. Amazing what passed as sound back then. I kept playing for a while though. |
| [07:05:00] | ** xris wonders where the forum is on LxM so he can complain about how cool their themes are, but how uncool it is that they're left UNFINISHED. ** | |
| [07:05:00] | pmowry: | dd if=/dev/video0 of=/dev/video16 and use one of the perl program to change channels on the pvr? |
| [07:06:00] | pmowry: | That's basically how I tested it before setting up myth. |
| [07:07:00] | Cardoe: | Chutt: I'd still like to see the backend and the frontend seperated |
| [07:07:00] | Cardoe: | two diff packages. |
| [07:07:00] | Agrajag-: | xris: heh.. how are they unfinished? |
| [07:07:00] | Cardoe: | so you could have the UI stuff in 1 lib |
| [07:07:00] | Cardoe: | and the backend stuff in another |
| [07:07:00] | Cardoe: | Gonna get to the outstanding bugs and patches on Gentoo tonight and submit them |
| [07:08:00] | xris: | Agrajag-: well, when you use Midnight, and run mythtv-setup, every single option says "Utilities/Setup" |
| [07:08:00] | xris: | instead of "Listings" etc. |
| [07:09:00] | xris: | I love the midnight theme, but it's rather hard to configure the box if you don't know what's what. |
| [07:09:00] | rhstech: | Anyone hear about the truck explosion in Utah? |
| [07:10:00] | rhstech: | A truck overturned with 35,000 lbs of explosives and blew up a large portion of both sides of the freeway |
| [07:10:00] | pmowry: | Yeah, look at a new clip on cnn.com. pretty big hole |
| [07:10:00] | Agrajag-: | crazy |
| [07:10:00] | rhstech: | Just a big hole left |
| [07:10:00] | theturtl_: | pmowry i guess that is a much simpler app |
| [07:10:00] | theturtl_: | haha |
| [07:10:00] | Agrajag-: | you'd think if you were driving a truck full of explosives you'd be kinda careful |
| [07:11:00] | psyon: | rhstech: I heard about a truck that crashed and leaked dyhydrousmonoxide all over, people were freaked out! :) |
| [07:12:00] | xris: | psyon: dangerous if it crashed into a truck full of metallic sodium |
| [07:12:00] | rhstech: | With all that water, it's no wonder! |
| [07:12:00] | pmowry: | hehe. I saw a petition to ban it from our water system as a joke, |
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| [07:12:00] | xris: | pmowry: lots of stuff about that on places like snopes |
| [07:12:00] | psyon: | pmowry: some kid did a joking report on it, and managed to get legislation to ban it... or so the rumor goes |
| [07:12:00] | psyon: | not sure if its true or not |
| [07:13:00] | psyon: | was in cali or something |
| [07:13:00] | theturtl_: | metallic sodiuM |
| [07:13:00] | theturtl_: | ? |
| [07:13:00] | xris: | http://www.snopes.com/toxins/dhmo.htm |
| [07:13:00] | xris: | theturtl_: metallic sodium (yes, sodium is a metal) reacts rather explosively with water. |
| [07:14:00] | xris: | if you don't know that, then you missed out on some great fun in high school chemistry. :) |
| [07:14:00] | psyon: | good thing chlorine stablizes it :) |
| [07:15:00] | psyon: | does pure sodium build up in pure form anywhere in the world? |
| [07:15:00] | psyon: | would be interesting to be there during a rain storem |
| [07:16:00] | xris: | psyon: likely deep underground if it does. |
| [07:16:00] | xris: | it's a very soft metal, though. can cut it with a butter knife. |
| [07:16:00] | psyon: | :( what fun is that |
| [07:16:00] | theturtl_: | metal, what properties does a compound need to be considered " metal " |
| [07:17:00] | theturtl_: | scratch that, what properties does an element need |
| [07:17:00] | xris: | theturtl_: beats me, I'm not a chemist. |
| [07:18:00] | xris: | something about it's crystaline structure, I'd assume. |
| [07:18:00] | psyon: | xris: you read anything about amorphous metals? |
| [07:19:00] | xris: | nope. |
| [07:19:00] | ** xris is a geek, but knows very little about chemistry ** | |
| [07:19:00] | psyon: | it was in one of my mags a while back... they found some allows that cool like glass |
| [07:19:00] | psyon: | the metals are stronger, and bounce |
| [07:19:00] | psyon: | and can be injection molded |
| [07:20:00] | psyon: | Basically... Amorphous Metals == Glass made from metal |
| [07:21:00] | xris: | cool |
| [07:21:00] | xris: | well, except that glass is a liquid |
| [07:21:00] | psyon: | right |
| [07:21:00] | psyon: | as are amorphous metals technically |
| [07:22:00] | xris: | interesting |
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| [07:37:00] | rhstech: | Alright, I have a couple weird problems with watching TV in Myth... |
| [07:37:00] | rhstech: | When I choose Watch TV, the picture and sound are out of sync by a few seconds |
| [07:37:00] | xris: | rhstech: software encoder card? |
| [07:37:00] | Agrajag-: | that's in the docs.. |
| [07:37:00] | rhstech: | And, when I close Watch TV, and even Myth, the audio continues until I open/close xawtv |
| [07:37:00] | xris: | rhstech: and what Agrajag- said |
| [07:38:00] | Agrajag-: | in short, mute your line in, set it as the capture source |
| [07:38:00] | rhstech: | For both issues? |
| [07:38:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah |
| [07:38:00] | rhstech: | Awesome |
| [07:38:00] | rhstech: | Sorry, I've read the docs, it's just been a couple days |
| [07:38:00] | rhstech: | I've spent so many hours on this that my head hurts ;) |
| [07:39:00] | pmowry: | gotta love when it's that easy. |
| [07:39:00] | xris: | rhstech: basically, you're *playing* the audio-in instead of recording it. |
| [07:40:00] | rhstech: | Where do I set the Line In to be capture only? |
| [07:41:00] | rhstech: | On my Audigy or on the Tuner card? |
| [07:41:00] | Agrajag-: | alsamixer (if youre usint alsa) |
| [07:41:00] | rhstech: | The audigy doesn't list the line in as a capture option |
| [07:41:00] | Agrajag-: | run alsamixer and press F5 (i think.. depending on your version) |
| [07:42:00] | Agrajag-: | what use is a line in if you can't record from it? |
| [07:43:00] | rhstech: | Yeah, Line1 doesn't have a capture slide |
| [07:43:00] | rhstech: | slider |
| [07:44:00] | rhstech: | I have a Line2, among others |
| [07:44:00] | ** xris grumbles and goes to enter a bug into trac ** | |
| [07:45:00] | rhstech: | lol is it something I can fix easily |
| [07:46:00] | DCG: | rhstech: do you have a capture slider? |
| [07:46:00] | rhstech: | Yeah, I have capture sliders for a bunch of items. Just not one for Line1, the input on my card |
| [07:46:00] | DCG: | line should have just a checkbox, but no slider, and you should have a slider for capture |
| [07:48:00] | rhstech: | No dice |
| [07:48:00] | theturtl_: | how do i change the channel in livetv mythtv |
| [07:50:00] | xris: | theturtl_: um, type in the channel number? or hit the up/down arrow? |
| [07:50:00] | pmowry: | You should have a keys.txt file listing everything. |
| [07:50:00] | rhstech: | Listed, left to right: Master, Tone, Bass, Treble, PCM, PCM Capture, PCM Front, PCM LFE, PCM Surround, Front, Surround, Center, LFE, Music, Music Capture, Line, Line2, Line2 Capture, CD, Mic, Mic Capture, Mic Boost, Phone, IEC958 0, IEC958 0 Capture, PC Speaker, Aux, Aux2, Aux2 Capture, Analog Mix, Analog Mix Capture, Audigy A, Audigy CD, Audigy CD Capture, External Amp |
| [07:50:00] | rhstech: | Sorry for the long line ;) |
| [07:54:00] | Agrajag-: | how are you getting audio from your source? |
| [07:55:00] | rhstech: | I can only get audio from the tuner card when I turn Line up. That isn't Line Capture, however, and seems to be the culprit in my delay problems |
| [07:56:00] | Agrajag-: | have you got a cable going from your tv card into your sound card line in? |
| [07:57:00] | Agrajag-: | if so... plug it into a different plug? |
| [07:57:00] | rhstech: | Yeah, that's how it works |
| [07:58:00] | rhstech: | The only other plug I have in a Mic In |
| [07:58:00] | Agrajag-: | i dont get why your sound card would have a line in that you can't capture from. are you using alsamixer? |
| [07:59:00] | rhstech: | Yep. |
| [07:59:00] | Agrajag-: | i guess you could try the mic in (set that to capture) |
| [07:59:00] | rhstech: | I don't understand it either |
| [07:59:00] | rhstech: | Will that damage my card? |
| [07:59:00] | rhstech: | Sending a line level signal into that? |
| [07:59:00] | Agrajag-: | no idea ;) |
| [07:59:00] | rhstech: | Lol |
| [08:02:00] | rhstech: | Any other ideas? |
| [08:02:00] | rhstech: | =( |
| [08:05:00] | Agrajag-: | well i guess it could be an alsa problem |
| [08:05:00] | Agrajag-: | google is your friend |
| [08:06:00] | rhstech: | I've been searching Google, for hours |
| [08:07:00] | rhstech: | I may just have to buy a new card. I've seen a couple other people unable to solve the same problem |
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| [08:10:00] | Krazylegz: | I don't think anyone is paying attention in #ivtv-dev. |
| [08:11:00] | Krazylegz: | Is it possible for some channels to be much poorer than others with a PVR-350? The same channels look fine when the cable goes straight to the television. |
| [08:12:00] | pmowry: | wrong tuner setting? check the archives. I think that's it |
| [08:12:00] | Krazylegz: | I have been trying that, but besides the fact that ivtv 2.x autodetects it, none of the other tuner types worked better. |
| [08:13:00] | pmowry: | I've also had the detected tuner change from one ivtv version to another. Not sure what version I'm unsing at home, but I know it's not current. |
| [08:14:00] | Krazylegz: | It autodetects to 47. I tried 39, which worked fine, but gave only static on the channels which are having problems. Actually, it was static on any channels higher than 61. |
| [08:15:00] | Krazylegz: | You think I should just try a different version of ivtv? |
| [08:15:00] | DCG: | Krazylegz: wrong frequency list? |
| [08:15:00] | pmowry: | NTSC or PAL? did that set correctly? |
| [08:16:00] | Krazylegz: | Could be the wrong frequency list. |
| [08:16:00] | Krazylegz: | I haven't tried that yet. |
| [08:16:00] | Krazylegz: | I'm pretty sure that I set NTSC properly, because most channels work well. |
| [08:16:00] | Krazylegz: | Weird thing is that 95 works fine, but like 65–77 are poor. |
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| [08:24:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm, maybe I need us-cable-hrc instead of us-cable ? |
| [08:25:00] | DCG: | maybe. |
| [08:26:00] | DCG: | hrc changes the order around a bit iirc |
| [08:28:00] | Krazylegz: | hrc made it worse. |
| [08:28:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [08:29:00] | rhstech: | For anyone that cares: I fixed my Audigy problem. Turns out I had to turn up the Line all the way, mute it, go into capture, turn everything down except Analog Mix Capture, and run "v4lctl volume mute off" |
| [08:29:00] | DCG: | rhstech: yea, analog mix capture == that capture slider i was talking about |
| [08:31:00] | pmowry: | rhstech: send a msg to the users board with the detail. So google can help someone in the future. |
| [08:31:00] | pmowry: | mailing list I ment. |
| [08:31:00] | rhstech: | Kk, will do |
| [08:32:00] | pmowry: | thanks |
| [08:33:00] | Cardoe: | xris: still awake? |
| [08:33:00] | xris: | yes |
| [08:33:00] | Cardoe: | am I blind or did my e-mail not pop up on the mailing list? |
| [08:33:00] | rhstech: | Oh, anyone know how I can get alsamixer to save its settings? Whenever I go back to watch TV, the sliders reset and I get awful feedback from the card looping into itself |
| [08:33:00] | Cardoe: | I sent in that "gentoo patch" |
| [08:35:00] | Cardoe: | should have come from cardoe@gmail.com |
| [08:35:00] | xris: | Cardoe: no clue. I don't read the list as a whole |
| [08:35:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [08:35:00] | xris: | but patches should go into trac, not to the list |
| [08:35:00] | Cardoe: | anyone read the list? |
| [08:36:00] | Cardoe: | xris: it's in trac |
| [08:36:00] | Cardoe: | with a notice on the ml |
| [08:36:00] | xris: | Cardoe: (and I just deleted what little of the list was in the box) |
| [08:36:00] | Cardoe: | ah |
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| [08:48:00] | ** xris will be taking suggestions for new minion qualifications tomorrow (or tonight)... ** | |
| [08:48:00] | ** xris ponders cloning kormoc|afk ** | |
| [08:48:00] | xris: | would probably take too long. |
| [08:49:00] | Krazylegz: | You'll either create a soulless abomination, or prove that souls don't exist. |
| [08:50:00] | ** xris is occasionally a believer in anatman (buddhist doctrine of no-soul) ** | |
| [08:53:00] | Krazylegz: | Fine. You can use my cloner. It's in the truck. |
| [08:55:00] | xris: | coool..... |
| [08:55:00] | Krazylegz: | Does Beirdo still push LxM? |
| [08:55:00] | xris: | didn't know he ever did. |
| [08:55:00] | xris: | but I do |
| [08:56:00] | Krazylegz: | http://wilsonet.com/blog/?p=23 |
| [08:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Isn't that Beirdo? |
| [08:56:00] | xris: | no, that's jarod |
| [08:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Who is he on here? |
| [08:56:00] | xris: | or j-rod when he's here |
| [08:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Ah. |
| [08:56:00] | mchou: | no, Geckofiend pushed LxM |
| [08:56:00] | xris: | gecko *works* for LxM |
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| [08:56:00] | Krazylegz: | What do you guys thing? |
| [08:57:00] | Krazylegz: | *think? |
| [08:57:00] | mchou: | xris: same dealio :) |
| [08:57:00] | ** xris has an LxM acct, and would probably have even paid for it if it wasn't free ** | |
| [08:57:00] | Krazylegz: | I'm thinking that I'll stay with DataDirect. |
| [08:57:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: main reason to sign up now is to lock in the lower rate for later when they add a bunch more cool stuff. |
| [08:57:00] | xris: | I have to say, though, that the themes they put out are pretty sweet |
| [08:58:00] | xris: | movietime stuff is so-so (but will get better when they get poster pics, etc, and when I get bored and put it into mythweb) |
| [08:58:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. |
| [08:58:00] | xris: | they also plan to hook up to ticket-buying services, which would rock. |
| [08:59:00] | Krazylegz: | $5/month actually seems high to me. I never even have a desktop wallpaper, so I'm not sure how often I would use themes. |
| [08:59:00] | Krazylegz: | Er, additional themes. |
| [08:59:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: well, no more surveys to fill out... and once the bounty system goes up, you'd be paying for mythtv development. |
| [08:59:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, that's desirable. |
| [09:00:00] | xris: | personally, I think about $3/month is a good price point (like livejournal).. but for them, that'd just cover operating costs and not enough to give back to the community. |
| [09:00:00] | cosmo_: | has anyone used an x10 remote for myth? Such as the x10 entertainment anywhere model? |
| [09:01:00] | xris: | cosmo_: I have a lola |
| [09:01:00] | xris: | it even worked before I put a staple through the receiver wire. |
| [09:01:00] | mchou: | xris: just solder on a new wire. |
| [09:01:00] | mchou: | no big deal |
| [09:01:00] | xris: | mchou: I did. just need to find shrink tube now. |
| [09:02:00] | mchou: | frys :) |
| [09:02:00] | xris: | no. my garage. |
| [09:02:00] | xris: | I'm just too lazy to extract it. |
| [09:02:00] | mchou: | heh, that too |
| [09:03:00] | mchou: | electrical tape probably would work too. |
| [09:04:00] | xris: | yup |
| [09:04:00] | xris: | isn't that important, though... need the keyboard lately because of a freezing bug in svn. |
| [09:04:00] | xris: | need to alt-tab and control-C |
| [09:05:00] | quink: | svn? |
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| [09:06:00] | xris: | quink: as in subversion, better than cvs. |
| [09:06:00] | quink: | oh |
| [09:06:00] | quink: | oh btw how are hte lxm themes? decent and all? |
| [09:07:00] | xris: | they're nice.. but unfinished in some places (mythtvsetup) |
| [09:08:00] | Krazylegz: | Interesting. If I put that $5/month into an ING Orange Savings account, it might be a better idea. :-) |
| [09:08:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: yeah, I'd tend to agree :) |
| [09:08:00] | quink: | whats to stop people from throwing them up on the net? they have any protection or anything? |
| [09:08:00] | Krazylegz: | My girlfriend got one of those, on the recommendation of my financial advisor. She loves it. |
| [09:08:00] | xris: | quink: well, there's copyright law.... |
| [09:09:00] | quink: | xris: obviously |
| [09:09:00] | quink: | i just wondered if they had some sort of protectoin scheme |
| [09:09:00] | Krazylegz: | You is being logg-ed. |
| [09:09:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: I've had one for quite awhile. good bank |
| [09:09:00] | quink: | cause i've not really seen anything on linux with one |
| [09:09:00] | xris: | quink: how can you? they're xml and png |
| [09:09:00] | mchou: | wow, dell missed it's revenue targets? |
| [09:09:00] | quink: | xris: dunno |
| [09:09:00] | quink: | that was my point |
| [09:09:00] | Krazylegz: | Yes, short dell! |
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| [09:09:00] | mchou: | AMD must be doing better than I thought :) |
| [09:10:00] | Krazylegz: | Definitely is. |
| [09:10:00] | xris: | can't... but in this community, people would likely get ratted out for sharing/pirating them. |
| [09:10:00] | Krazylegz: | Just check the 1year. |
| [09:10:00] | quink: | ing direct rocks |
| [09:10:00] | Krazylegz: | Hey, this isn't a chat channel! |
| [09:10:00] | Krazylegz: | :-) |
| [09:10:00] | quink: | i've made near 60$ in 6 months :P |
| [09:10:00] | xris: | and the themes will eventually be a small part of what you get from LxM |
| [09:10:00] | quink: | xris: whats hte big part? |
| [09:10:00] | mchou: | xris: yeah, I'm dying to know that too. |
| [09:11:00] | quink: | i'm just waiting on a new versoin of myth :P |
| [09:11:00] | xris: | quink: currently, movie listings, extended listings info and a few extra days in the future of listings.... |
| [09:11:00] | mchou: | xris: and? |
| [09:11:00] | xris: | future: purchase movie tickets through mythtv, edit listings through mythtv, bounty system, even more extended listings data.... dunno what else. |
| [09:11:00] | quink: | i want a more updated mythweb really. that and just general stability and misc improvements |
| [09:12:00] | quink: | mythbrowser is being bitchy to me recently something about klauncher not starting |
| [09:12:00] | xris: | quink: I would, too. but I need to finish up other projects before I can move back to working on mythweb again. |
| [09:12:00] | quink: | heh |
| [09:12:00] | mchou: | xris: edit listings thru mythtv? what exactly is that? |
| [09:12:00] | quink: | i'll give you $5 if you do it now |
| [09:12:00] | mchou: | quink: haha |
| [09:12:00] | quink: | hah |
| [09:12:00] | xris: | mchou: like how you go to dd and enable/disable channels, set up new listings, etc? you'll be able to do that from mythtv somehow. |
| [09:12:00] | xris: | quink: I'll take your $5 and do it "soon" |
| [09:13:00] | xris: | (my favorite programming word) |
| [09:13:00] | quink: | i was meaning to dig into mythweb code and myhtstreamtv and make some fixes for myself and see what i could do but school just takes up too much damn time |
| [09:13:00] | quink: | and i was thinking of writing a nice remote programming utlitiy(to program your remote control) |
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| [09:14:00] | mchou: | quink: what remote control is this? |
| [09:14:00] | quink: | oh i was thinking of writing a generic program |
| [09:14:00] | quink: | have a few pictures of various common remotes used |
| [09:14:00] | mchou: | like girder? |
| [09:14:00] | xris: | quink: I've put a hold on accepting major mythweb changes until I can rewrite the API (something I'm designing in another piece of software) |
| [09:14:00] | quink: | and click on a buttona nd easily program what it does and make it write hte config file |
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| [09:15:00] | XAD: | xris: you don't use ASAP?? (Which is a pretty strange one as it could be whenever I don't have anything more important or fun to do) ;-) |
| [09:15:00] | quink: | like a drop down list of mythtv modules and the various buttons applicable to them |
| [09:15:00] | quink: | you apply all stuff you want, hit save and it saves the file in the right place and does allt he work for oyu |
| [09:15:00] | xris: | XAD: call me old-school... |
| [09:16:00] | quink: | but i don't konw much of gui programming yet, still just a junior in CS at school |
| [09:16:00] | quink: | i could probably do something in java using Swing but bleh |
| [09:16:00] | ** xris chuckles at learning programming from a school ** | |
| [09:16:00] | quink: | xris: indeed |
| [09:16:00] | quink: | its not that ummm good |
| [09:16:00] | quink: | you learn science |
| [09:16:00] | quink: | so i wnated to give myself a project to learn real stuff |
| [09:16:00] | quink: | use gtk or osmething and make it cross compile in windows and linux |
| [09:17:00] | xris: | you can learn technique from classes... can't argue there. but it's really just them forcing you to give yourself experience. |
| [09:17:00] | mchou: | haha |
| [09:17:00] | quink: | but i'd have to learn a lot |
| [09:17:00] | quink: | xris: yep |
| [09:17:00] | theturtl_: | quink write it in C# |
| [09:17:00] | mchou: | hell no. |
| [09:17:00] | quink: | all i know is i've become a hell of a lot better at recursive programming :P |
| [09:17:00] | quink: | i can write that really easily and well now |
| [09:17:00] | Krazylegz: | Haha. |
| [09:17:00] | xris: | I won't hire any coders without real-world experience. Just ask kormoc|afk — he's a college CS dropout. |
| [09:17:00] | quink: | seems to be great for my data structures class |
| [09:18:00] | quink: | xris: i don't wanna be a pro code monkey though |
| [09:18:00] | mchou: | quink: make sure you dont run out of heap :) |
| [09:18:00] | theturtl_: | xris- will you hire me, i've got no real or college experience |
| [09:18:00] | quink: | not quite sure actually and CS was probably a bad choice |
| [09:18:00] | theturtl_: | i'm clay, mold me :P |
| [09:18:00] | xris: | quink: me, neither. but half of myjob is managing kormoc|afk now. |
| [09:18:00] | xris: | theturtl_: well, we need a new janitor.... |
| [09:18:00] | quink: | i want to just do 'generic' computer work |
| [09:18:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, recursion can be good, but you also need to watch your memory usage and the efficiency of your functions. |
| [09:18:00] | quink: | sys admin, whatever |
| [09:19:00] | xris: | quink: where do you live? |
| [09:19:00] | quink: | Krazylegz: yeah |
| [09:19:00] | quink: | los angeles |
| [09:19:00] | xris: | ah. we're hiring two interns... good generic stuff. |
| [09:19:00] | mchou: | quink: UC Irevine? |
| [09:19:00] | quink: | cal poly pomona |
| [09:19:00] | mchou: | Irvine* |
| [09:19:00] | xris: | product development is a dream job for linux junkie... |
| [09:19:00] | xris: | get paid to play with linux on pre-release hardware. |
| [09:20:00] | quink: | personally, i relaly like doing group work...where i get to solve the main hard problem and let the others owrry about the syntax |
| [09:20:00] | mchou: | that sounds like an awful job. |
| [09:20:00] | xris: | mchou: well, good you don't have it, then. heh. |
| [09:20:00] | Krazylegz: | I made the mistake of doing CS instead of SE. |
| [09:20:00] | theturtl_: | SE? |
| [09:20:00] | mchou: | SE? |
| [09:20:00] | ** xris did philosophy ** | |
| [09:20:00] | quink: | Krazylegz: yeah thats what i'm thinking |
| [09:20:00] | Krazylegz: | I found out that what I really wanted to do was SE. |
| [09:20:00] | Krazylegz: | Software Engineering. |
| [09:20:00] | quink: | that of CIS |
| [09:20:00] | quink: | that or |
| [09:21:00] | theturtl_: | i wanna major in booty |
| [09:21:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: that's basically what I do now. with a little managing, graphic and UI design, and sysadmin tossed in for good measure. |
| [09:21:00] | quink: | heh |
| [09:21:00] | mchou: | what the hell is "Software Enginnering?' |
| [09:21:00] | quink: | I just have a ton of generic computer information with experience in all areas, more or less |
| [09:21:00] | xris: | mchou: imho, the fun part of coding. everything but the actual coding. heh. |
| [09:21:00] | mchou: | never heard of that as a major. |
| [09:21:00] | quink: | xris: hah |
| [09:22:00] | quink: | yeah coding is the boring part. solving hte problem and laying out hte problem are hte fun part |
| [09:22:00] | xris: | mchou: really? it's fairly common in good CS programs. |
| [09:22:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:22:00] | xris: | quink: sometimes you can only do that through the code, though. |
| [09:22:00] | quink: | xris: yep |
| [09:22:00] | Krazylegz: | mchou: Software design and management, mostly. |
| [09:22:00] | quink: | but thats allf un to me |
| [09:22:00] | mchou: | CS is an oxymoron. It's not Science :) |
| [09:22:00] | quink: | mchou: it is too |
| [09:23:00] | xris: | but again, I'm pretty old-school as far as coding goes... I write pages and pages of code before I test anything, becuase I need to have the whole framework set up first. |
| [09:23:00] | quink: | its about writing the most efficient code you can |
| [09:23:00] | mchou: | quink: math is a science. |
| [09:23:00] | Krazylegz: | If it was a "science", then calling it Computer Science would be redundant, ergo.....:-) |
| [09:23:00] | quink: | you use math to analyze code |
| [09:23:00] | mchou: | cs is just a sick joke. |
| [09:23:00] | xris: | mchou: if baking is science (and you dare not say it isn't), then computers can be. |
| [09:23:00] | Krazylegz: | quink: By that thinking, then economics is a science. They use math too. |
| [09:23:00] | quink: | Krazylegz: different though |
| [09:24:00] | Krazylegz: | I know. :-) |
| [09:24:00] | quink: | we can deal with computers on an abstract software level or more lower level |
| [09:24:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: actually, economists like to think it is. |
| [09:24:00] | ** xris smacks quink with the grammar trout. ** | |
| [09:24:00] | quink: | plus htey make us take a shitload of science classes |
| [09:24:00] | Krazylegz: | I should have chosen a better example of people who use math. |
| [09:24:00] | quink: | pardon? |
| [09:24:00] | xris: | "more lower"? |
| [09:24:00] | quink: | heh |
| [09:24:00] | quink: | dude. its irc. |
| [09:24:00] | xris: | that's like "drawing a more better dragon" |
| [09:25:00] | Krazylegz: | You is being logg-ed! |
| [09:25:00] | quink: | heh |
| [09:25:00] | quink: | i guess when i run for president one day this will all come back to haunt me. |
| [09:25:00] | xris: | quink: typos are acceptable in irc. there's never an excuse for bad grammar. |
| [09:25:00] | xris: | ;) |
| [09:25:00] | theturtl_: | what should i major in for computer hardware design |
| [09:25:00] | quink: | ECE? |
| [09:25:00] | xris: | theturtl_: electrical engineering |
| [09:26:00] | quink: | electrical computer engineering |
| [09:26:00] | quink: | and yeah thats a real major |
| [09:26:00] | mchou: | Electical engineering and computer science |
| [09:26:00] | Krazylegz: | Triple major! EE, CS and cooking. |
| [09:26:00] | quink: | i always find it really funny that most computer science people i know can't use a computer. |
| [09:27:00] | Krazylegz: | Do the MechE people you know work on their cars? |
| [09:27:00] | Krazylegz: | The ones I knew didn't. |
| [09:27:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: Exactly! |
| [09:27:00] | quink: | still. its no excuse for not knowing the stuff in your field |
| [09:27:00] | mchou: | that's beneath them :) |
| [09:27:00] | Krazylegz: | It's not in their field. |
| [09:27:00] | quink: | i'm a cs person and i can do the code just fine, build a computer, install linux/windows and maintain them, do design work, etc |
| [09:28:00] | Krazylegz: | If it's anyone's field, it's in IT. Maybe MIS. However, tech-support is NOT a major. |
| [09:28:00] | mchou: | lol. that's not science |
| [09:28:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: exactly ! |
| [09:28:00] | quink: | then again i've been working at kinkos as a design person for 4 years now :P |
| [09:28:00] | mchou: | damn, there must be an echo in here :) |
| [09:28:00] | Krazylegz: | Haha. |
| [09:28:00] | quink: | well, i started as a document creation specialist |
| [09:29:00] | quink: | then moved to senior tech specialist |
| [09:29:00] | quink: | heh |
| [09:29:00] | Krazylegz: | quink: Coding, building a computer and software installation and maintenance are trades, not sciences. |
| [09:29:00] | quink: | i now hit anyone who uses word and expects the files to open up the same on multiple systems |
| [09:30:00] | quink: | anyways bedtime for me. been up since too early. even had a midterm today. |
| [09:30:00] | mchou: | quink: when did fedex take over kinkos? |
| [09:30:00] | quink: | 2 years ago roughly |
| [09:30:00] | quink: | now i get to ship for super cheap. |
| [09:30:00] | mchou: | man, I must have been out of it. |
| [09:30:00] | quink: | 75% off :P |
| [09:30:00] | mchou: | really?? |
| [09:31:00] | theturtl_: | i am majoring in user abuse |
| [09:31:00] | quink: | mchou: yep |
| [09:31:00] | JamesF: | need help! mythweather weekday error, in Same here. I mean the actual Today's Forecast screen shows, sometimes. |
| [09:31:00] | JamesF: | But not when I need it (go figure). |
| [09:31:00] | mchou: | man, ebay must be good to you :) |
| [09:31:00] | quink: | heheh |
| [09:31:00] | quink: | yeah i've really saved a ton |
| [09:31:00] | quink: | i can ship most stuff ground for 3.45 |
| [09:31:00] | quink: | and most stuff overnight for under 15$ |
| [09:31:00] | mchou: | and charge $Z10 :) |
| [09:31:00] | quink: | wtihin reason(size and weight) of course |
| [09:31:00] | mchou: | $10* |
| [09:31:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science |
| [09:31:00] | mchou: | "Flat rate" |
| [09:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh my. I'm about to be schooled. |
| [09:32:00] | xris: | computer science is in there, somehow.. heh. |
| [09:32:00] | quink: | heh |
| [09:32:00] | quink: | anyways i'm out |
| [09:32:00] | JamesF: | in extended forecast screen show error weekday |
| [09:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Pffft. You can take Wikipedia with a grain of salt. |
| [09:32:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: never trust wikis |
| [09:32:00] | Krazylegz: | ECHO. |
| [09:32:00] | ** xris likes wikipedia. :( ** | |
| [09:32:00] | mchou: | any joe can write crap there. |
| [09:33:00] | xris: | mchou: sort of... I agree that they're stretching the definition a bit, but it *is* convention. |
| [09:33:00] | theturtl_: | speaking of computer science people that can't use a computer, i deal daily with cad/cam drafting engineers that can't use a computer either hah :P |
| [09:34:00] | mchou: | xris: convenion for what? |
| [09:34:00] | mchou: | xris: convention for what? |
| [09:34:00] | mchou: | bah, this damn keyboard. |
| [09:34:00] | xris: | mchou: convention to call those things "science" |
| [09:35:00] | xris: | CS, IS, etc. |
| [09:35:00] | mchou: | darn insert key is right next to backspace. |
| [09:35:00] | xris: | theturtl_: not surprising. most people tend to only know how to use those few things they do on a regular basis. |
| [09:35:00] | mchou: | knowing how to use a computer is not science. |
| [09:35:00] | Krazylegz: | See, I wouldn't call EE a science either. They seem to have a very broad definition here. |
| [09:36:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:36:00] | xris: | I work for a company that builds/sells high-end computers, with VERY technically-saavy sales guys... but they FREAK OUT if the software they use changes even the slightest bit without a HUGE advance warning. |
| [09:36:00] | mchou: | Science-wannabes |
| [09:36:00] | Krazylegz: | I guess being a 'scientist' is something to be proud of, while being a non-scientist is not. |
| [09:36:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: exactly :) |
| [09:36:00] | mchou: | no one likes being called a tradesman :) |
| [09:37:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, I'm sure there's something in that gray area. Would you call CS a trade? |
| [09:37:00] | mchou: | depends. |
| [09:38:00] | xris: | being a chemist is a trade. |
| [09:38:00] | mchou: | there are a few good CS guys, like knuth. |
| [09:38:00] | Krazylegz: | Maybe we're being too critical. You can do science once in a while, but that doesn't make you a scientist. |
| [09:38:00] | xris: | CS is the study of computers... that makes it somewhat of a science. |
| [09:38:00] | mchou: | he is closer to a scientist than a tradesman :) |
| [09:38:00] | Krazylegz: | A scientist doesn't always do science either. Sometimes he microwaves his lunch. |
| [09:38:00] | mchou: | xris: that's like saying EE study electrons. |
| [09:39:00] | xris: | mchou: well, they do, no? study how electricity interacts with things? |
| [09:39:00] | theturtl_: | the science of computer program is definitely a science :P |
| [09:39:00] | theturtl_: | programming |
| [09:40:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: where did you go to school again? |
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| [09:40:00] | Krazylegz: | Rochester Institute of Technology. Why? |
| [09:40:00] | mchou: | xris: doesnt make EE's scientists. |
| [09:40:00] | theturtl_: | you guys are arguing the wrong idea here, you are a scientist by doing something, you aren't definite either as a scientist or not by your job title |
| [09:40:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: just wondering :) |
| [09:41:00] | theturtl_: | s/definite/defined |
| [09:41:00] | Krazylegz: | theturtl_: That's what I was starting to get at. |
| [09:41:00] | mchou: | theturtl_: true. But most CS types dont do science :) |
| [09:41:00] | Krazylegz: | We were originally arguing about whether or not the field is a science, not the individual. |
| [09:41:00] | xris: | mchou: seems to be a lot of cultural bias around "being a scientist," though... pictures of people in white lab coats, etc... vs something being "a science" |
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| [09:42:00] | theturtl_: | getting a program to work, is the science of computer programming |
| [09:42:00] | theturtl_: | hence most CS types or scientists |
| [09:42:00] | theturtl_: | s/or/are |
| [09:42:00] | mchou: | I dont know any scientists who wore lab coats. |
| [09:42:00] | theturtl_: | blah i can't type |
| [09:42:00] | mchou: | and I work around them all the time :) |
| [09:42:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, if a program doesn't work, then it's not a program, it's a flat text file. :-) |
| [09:42:00] | xris: | mchou: I do... biologists. |
| [09:43:00] | xris: | my wife wears a lab coat of sorts... but it's called a chef's jacket. heh. |
| [09:43:00] | xris: | it's white, though. |
| [09:43:00] | theturtl_: | well just because it doesn't output the right type of output doesn't make it not a program |
| [09:43:00] | theturtl_: | thats the philosophy of computer science |
| [09:43:00] | theturtl_: | :D |
| [09:43:00] | Krazylegz: | I could write a program that writes programs. Is my program a scientist? |
| [09:43:00] | theturtl_: | no because it doesn't observe nor study |
| [09:44:00] | xris: | theturtl_: programming isn't a science... now, the study of HOW to program might be. |
| [09:44:00] | theturtl_: | a computer program that observes and studies ermm |
| [09:44:00] | theturtl_: | now thats scary |
| [09:44:00] | xris: | theturtl_: perl can study. ;) |
| [09:44:00] | theturtl_: | haha |
| [09:45:00] | ** xris should really go to bed. ** | |
| [09:45:00] | theturtl_: | scientia -ae f. [knowing , knowledge, acquaintance, skill]. |
| [09:45:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: when did you graduate from RPI? |
| [09:45:00] | Krazylegz: | RIT! |
| [09:46:00] | xris: | I obviously won't be finishing this part of the program tonight. |
| [09:46:00] | mchou: | bah:) |
| [09:46:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: rochester? |
| [09:46:00] | Krazylegz: | May 2004. RPI is Rennselear Polytechnic Institute. |
| [09:46:00] | xris: | oh |
| [09:46:00] | mchou: | RIT, I meant |
| [09:46:00] | mchou: | RPI, RIT what's the diff :) |
| [09:47:00] | mchou: | both in NY :) |
| [09:47:00] | Krazylegz: | RPI sucks. Duh. :-) |
| [09:47:00] | xris: | RIT turned me down |
| [09:47:00] | mchou: | xris: they probably did you a favor :) |
| [09:47:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, really. |
| [09:47:00] | mchou: | you'd froze your ass off :) |
| [09:47:00] | Krazylegz: | I graduated a year early, RIT motivated me. |
| [09:48:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: hehe |
| [09:49:00] | theturtl_: | like ya said xris, college is for english geeks and football players , not for programmers |
| [09:49:00] | xris: | mchou: actually, I'm glad things worked out the way they did.... 2 weeks before college I shifted my focus away from computer stuff) |
| [09:49:00] | mchou: | If you go to upstate NY you might as well attend Cornell :) |
| [09:49:00] | xris: | theturtl_: I didn't say that. I just said it wasn't the best place to learn how to code. |
| [09:49:00] | Krazylegz: | Cornell isn't really upstate. |
| [09:49:00] | ** xris has two college degrees — neither remotely related to computers. ** | |
| [09:49:00] | Krazylegz: | I guess the weather is about the same as Rochester, though. |
| [09:49:00] | theturtl_: | well i might have spinned it abit |
| [09:49:00] | theturtl_: | :D |
| [09:49:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: it is if you live in NYC :) |
| [09:50:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, that's true. |
| [09:50:00] | theturtl_: | anyhoo, why am i wasting my time here, ta |
| [09:50:00] | Krazylegz: | mchou: I thought you lived on the left coast? |
| [09:50:00] | mchou: | grew up in NYC, went to scholl both coasts :) |
| [09:50:00] | mchou: | school* |
| [09:51:00] | mchou: | I saw the beach probably 3x total while at school |
| [09:52:00] | mchou: | (no car) |
| [09:52:00] | Krazylegz: | Ah. That sucks. Which school? |
| [09:52:00] | mchou: | Caltech & MIT |
| [09:53:00] | Krazylegz: | Whoo! Hot stuff. |
| [09:53:00] | mchou: | nah, not really. |
| [09:53:00] | mchou: | (The hot stuff, that is) |
| [09:53:00] | xris: | heh, two more schools that turned me down (aren't we all glad I ended up studying philosophy?) |
| [09:55:00] | Krazylegz: | Wow, how many did you apply to, and what for? |
| [09:55:00] | mchou: | haha |
| [09:55:00] | mchou: | I applied to 9 schools for college myself. |
| [09:55:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: RIT (I think), MIT, CalTech, Mudd |
| [09:56:00] | mchou: | that was expensive, even back in the day. |
| [09:56:00] | xris: | PLU for a local-school backup |
| [09:56:00] | Krazylegz: | I only applied to RIT. |
| [09:56:00] | xris: | and ended up going to Whitman when my resume landed on the desk of their dean of admissions for something completely unrelated to college |
| [09:56:00] | xris: | then U Chicago for grad school (anthro) |
| [09:57:00] | Krazylegz: | Ah, neat. |
| [09:57:00] | mchou: | I didnt have a resume when applying to college :) |
| [09:57:00] | Krazylegz: | I'd imagine you'd get a lot of crap for doing philosophy. |
| [09:57:00] | mchou: | no work experience |
| [09:57:00] | mchou: | aside from being a bike messenger in NYC :) |
| [09:58:00] | mchou: | those were the days :) |
| [09:58:00] | Krazylegz: | I had some management experience from McDonald's. |
| [09:58:00] | Krazylegz: | That was about it. |
| [09:58:00] | mchou: | heh, that's way more than I had |
| [09:58:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: why is that? people who major/minor in philosophy in undergrad almost always outperform everyone else in whatever they go on to later in life (the numbers I got were for grad school majors like physics, engineering, etc) |
| [09:59:00] | mchou: | management experience sounds so much better than "delivery boy" |
| [09:59:00] | Krazylegz: | I know, but I always heard people saying things like, "what's the point of philosophy", etc. |
| [09:59:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: it teaches you how to think |
| [09:59:00] | Krazylegz: | I disagree with them, but the philosophy majors I know got some crap. |
| [09:59:00] | xris: | solve problems, etc. |
| [09:59:00] | Krazylegz: | Then there's the part about what do you do with your degree, apparently. |
| [09:59:00] | mchou: | xris: that's only because ppl in other fields got the self esteem beat out of them :) |
| [09:59:00] | theturtl_: | whats a good app for recording |
| [10:00:00] | theturtl_: | video from vcr/cam from composite |
| [10:00:00] | theturtl_: | dd? :D |
| [10:00:00] | xris: | the content of philosophy studies is pretty much useless in real life, but the way it gets studied/analyzed can be taken into any other field. |
| [10:00:00] | theturtl_: | can mythtv do that |
| [10:00:00] | xris: | theturtl_: mythtv could theoretically do that. |
| [10:00:00] | xris: | personally, I'd use imovie. |
| [10:01:00] | theturtl_: | i'd like something that could output mpeg4 or be used to author dvd |
| [10:01:00] | theturtl_: | ill take a look at imovie |
| [10:01:00] | theturtl_: | does it work on linux? first hit is apple |
| [10:02:00] | xris: | theturtl_: btw, imovie only works if you have a mac |
| [10:02:00] | xris: | if you want to do home movie stuff, apple is the way to go. |
| [10:02:00] | xris: | windows movie maker is a distant second. |
| [10:02:00] | xris: | myth will easily record the stuff, but is not so good for editing. |
| [10:02:00] | theturtl_: | ic i should have specified, i'm looking to do this on linux ;) |
| [10:03:00] | mchou: | hell no. more like tenth. |
| [10:03:00] | theturtl_: | i use nero for most of my editing now in windows |
| [10:03:00] | xris: | theturtl_: I figured. just saying that linux isn't the best choice of OS for such things, unless you're someone like WETA |
| [10:03:00] | mchou: | if you use windows I recommend vegas |
| [10:03:00] | theturtl_: | weta? |
| [10:04:00] | mchou: | or even priemiere |
| [10:04:00] | Krazylegz: | xris: Right, and I guess that's the argument. Philosophy results in you having a small skillset, but being able to leverage a large one well (if you had one). |
| [10:04:00] | mchou: | premiere |
| [10:04:00] | theturtl_: | i'm not really looking do much in the way of editing |
| [10:04:00] | Krazylegz: | Bedtime. |
| [10:04:00] | theturtl_: | more so just capturing , authoring |
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| [10:05:00] | xris: | theturtl_: do some web searches on dvdauthor... |
| [10:05:00] | theturtl_: | anyhoo, begas and others are ok, but not really what i'm looking for |
| [10:05:00] | xris: | and a pvr-x50 card unless you're talking DV from a firewire camcorder) |
| [10:05:00] | theturtl_: | yeah i got a 250 with myth setup |
| [10:06:00] | theturtl_: | nero just needs to port their nero digital stuff |
| [10:06:00] | theturtl_: | like they did nero burning rom :9 |
| [10:07:00] | mchou: | since when did nero edit mpeg? |
| [10:07:00] | xris: | anyway, I need to crash.... |
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| [10:07:00] | theturtl_: | ahead == nero |
| [10:07:00] | theturtl_: | now |
| [10:07:00] | theturtl_: | they make the burning rom app |
| [10:08:00] | theturtl_: | but they make recode and vision |
| [10:08:00] | theturtl_: | which are there authoring/transcoding and editing apps respectively |
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| [10:09:00] | theturtl_: | work pretty good, and don't cost 5 bazillion like veas and other apps that are overpriced |
| [10:09:00] | theturtl_: | for small stuff a home person like me does |
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| [10:18:00] | mchou: | ok, bedtime |
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| [10:19:00] | theturtl_: | wimps its only 4am! |
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| [10:41:00] | pirre: | heh |
| [10:43:00] | Puuhis: | more like 11:43AM |
| [10:45:00] | pirre: | or 10:43 AM |
| [10:54:00] | theturtl_: | why does mythtv store in nuppelvideo , what the heck is nuppelvideo |
| [10:55:00] | theturtl_: | could i change this to mpeg2 and would i want to |
| [10:56:00] | directhex|work: | because, yes, and you might |
| [10:56:00] | theturtl_: | what the heck is nuppelvideo |
| [10:56:00] | theturtl_: | and why would i want to...forgot the why,thats operative here |
| [10:57:00] | theturtl_: | err rather, would i gain/lose anything by doing so |
| [10:58:00] | directhex|work: | you could transcode to mpegwhatever after a show is recorded, if you feel compelled to do so |
| [11:01:00] | DCG: | whats a good remote for mythtv? |
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| [11:01:00] | DCG: | preferably a jp1 remote if anyone has experience with them |
| [11:03:00] | directhex|work: | i ordered a URC8040 yesterday |
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| [11:22:00] | DCG: | touch screen? |
| [11:22:00] | DCG: | those have 0 tactile feedback |
| [11:23:00] | DCG: | i've got a philips touchscreen and its garbage |
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| [12:13:00] | fatmatt: | this doesn;t look good |
| [12:13:00] | directhex|work: | well that's a bit pessemistic |
| [12:14:00] | fatmatt: | buffer io error on hda3 |
| [12:14:00] | fatmatt: | ide: faled opcode unknown |
| [12:15:00] | fatmatt: | suspect that hdd is broke... its the one running my myth server |
| [12:16:00] | directhex|work: | that's what RAID is for |
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| [12:22:00] | fatmatt: | noooo, not my video disc |
| [12:22:00] | directhex|work: | actually, i use RAID0 for my reocrdings. i don't really care if they go. |
| [12:23:00] | fatmatt: | can I unmount the root fs and still access it with ssh? |
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| [12:24:00] | directhex|work: | probably not |
| [12:24:00] | DCG: | good luck unmounting root |
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| [12:25:00] | theturtl_: | does Mythtv have Tivo's features like searching for shows you might like, and/or selecting a show and recording it no matter what time or channel its on |
| [12:25:00] | fatmatt: | yah, its in use |
| [12:26:00] | fatmatt: | doh |
| [12:26:00] | theturtl_: | why would u want to unmount root |
| [12:26:00] | TyreseJones: | Does anyone in here use PXE linux? I want to boot mythtv clients on any machine |
| [12:26:00] | directhex|work: | i've not used PXE for a while |
| [12:26:00] | theturtl_: | TyreseJones have it boot a knoppmyth image |
| [12:26:00] | DCG: | TyreseJones: pxe can be somewhat complex, but LTSP should help you get it going. |
| [12:27:00] | TyreseJones: | boot a knoppmyth image, good idea! |
| [12:28:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [12:28:00] | DCG: | TyreseJones: knoppmyth requires configuration every boot unless you remake the image |
| [12:28:00] | theturtl_: | http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=5&ArticleID=62 |
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| [12:29:00] | theturtl_: | check that out TyreseJones |
| [12:29:00] | fatmatt: | hmm, badblocks doesn't see anything wrong |
| [12:29:00] | DCG: | that would possibly work better than ltsp |
| [12:31:00] | theturtl_: | minimyth |
| [12:31:00] | theturtl_: | looks liek someone already though of it ;) |
| [12:31:00] | theturtl_: | boots off pxe |
| [12:32:00] | TyreseJones: | theturtl_, all i need now, is to figure out, how to get menu selections on my PXE server – so i can either boot up a client session, or boot miimyth! |
| [12:32:00] | TyreseJones: | So i can work, or play and any computer in the house |
| [12:34:00] | DCG: | TyreseJones: elilo might help you with a menu... |
| [12:34:00] | TyreseJones: | DCG, I mean a menu system for PXE booting |
| [12:34:00] | DCG: | yea |
| [12:34:00] | DCG: | iirc elilo can do that |
| [12:34:00] | TyreseJones: | ahh.... |
| [12:34:00] | DCG: | its like lilo, but for netbooting |
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| [12:35:00] | DCG: | was developed by HP apparently |
| [12:37:00] | DCG: | dang, for some reason my mythfrontend smells like fried chicken |
| [12:37:00] | DCG: | 120'F cpu temp! |
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| [12:38:00] | TyreseJones: | DCG, elilo is a boot loader? I want the menus to appear from my pxelinux.cfg/default file, so I can make changes in one place |
| [12:38:00] | DCG: | ah, i duno |
| [12:38:00] | DCG: | i think theres a way with some pxe agents to do that but not all support it or something |
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| [12:40:00] | fatmatt: | the last time this happened, I had dodgy ram, I ran fsck on the machine and it "fixed" the hard drive for sure |
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| [13:41:00] | fatmatt: | this is weird, user directories are still there, (/home/) all except for /home/mythtv |
| [13:41:00] | fatmatt: | still using up a lot of space on the drive though.. |
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| [13:47:00] | directhex|work: | sounds like FS corruption |
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| [14:07:00] | robin_: | Hi, anybody here using WinMyth ? |
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| [14:07:00] | robin_: | I can't connect to mysql server. Although, I have granted access from all other hosts |
| [14:07:00] | robin_: | on the backend |
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| [14:08:00] | XAD: | robin_: have you enabled mySQL access from other machines?? |
| [14:08:00] | robin_: | XAD: yes, as described here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql |
| [14:08:00] | rah[work]: | is there an example.lircrc for native lirc support? |
| [14:09:00] | rah[work]: | or a list of commands thatmythtv listens to? |
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| [14:11:00] | XAD: | robin_: no... thats not what I wrote (but it's easy to be confused)... the setting I'm talking about is in the mysql config file... think it is something like "skip-network"... |
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| [14:11:00] | robin_: | XAD: ok will take a look |
| [14:12:00] | robin_: | XAD: thx |
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| [14:12:00] | XAD: | robin_: np... |
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| [14:25:00] | robin_: | XAD: well that fixed the connection.. but the winmyth program is little bit buggy, it crashed and I can't view the recordings |
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| [14:43:00] | XAD: | robin_: sorry... I haven't start using it yet... (but your question was about the mySQL, right ;-) ) |
| [14:43:00] | robin_: | XAD: yes :) and the solution you gave me was perfect ;) |
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| [14:53:00] | REyM: | mpeg/mpegstreamdata.h:75: error: 'PESPacket' has not been declared |
| [14:53:00] | REyM: | when compiling mythtv on a debian distro I get this error: mpeg/mpegstreamdata.h:75: error: 'PESPacket' has not been declared |
| [14:53:00] | REyM: | I think it is a missing package or something, but I can't figure out wichone it is |
| [14:55:00] | robin_: | REyM: can't you see which files it includes? |
| [14:55:00] | robin_: | REyM: maybe you can discover which lib |
| [14:55:00] | robin_: | REyM: and than just apt-cache search for it |
| [14:57:00] | directhex|work: | you could add the deb-src and deb lines for matt zimmerman's packages |
| [14:57:00] | directhex|work: | even if you don't use those packages, you can apt-get buil-dep mythtv |
| [14:57:00] | directhex|work: | *build-dep |
| [14:58:00] | directhex|work: | though i'd favour apt-get source, then dpkg-buildpackage, if you're making changes. it's a lot cleaner for making changes |
| [14:58:00] | REyM: | directhex|work those are the dijkstra things? |
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| [14:58:00] | REyM: | deb-src http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv |
| [14:58:00] | REyM: | deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv |
| [14:58:00] | REyM: | because I already did that :/ |
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| [15:00:00] | directhex|work: | did you apt-get source mythwhaterverpartyouuwanttobuild ? |
| [15:01:00] | directhex|work: | since there are only two source packages, mythtv and mythplugins, doesn't really matter what you build-dep |
| [15:01:00] | REyM: | directhex|work I apt-get buildep the deps and just downloaded mythtv from the website |
| [15:02:00] | directhex|work: | hm....... what version of gcc are you using? (gcc -v) |
| [15:02:00] | REyM: | 3.3 |
| [15:02:00] | REyM: | no |
| [15:02:00] | REyM: | 3.4 |
| [15:03:00] | directhex|work: | well i had no problem rebuilding myth on my debian machine from matt's source packages, which are just 0.18.1 |
| [15:03:00] | REyM: | hmm, I'll try just that then |
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| [15:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone here currently running the latest nvidia driver ?(the new one from a couple days ago ? ) |
| [15:18:00] | directhex|work: | the NEw new one? isn't that just a 7800gtx bugfix? |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | I want to know, do you have a /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0 directory |
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| [15:19:00] | directhex|work: | sorry, still on 7667 |
| [15:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | Does that have one ? |
| [15:20:00] | directhex|work: | you'd have to wait until i get home to find out. plus, i use debian packages for this kind of thing, so it'd be /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx |
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| [15:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, I'm mostly looking for anyone that manually installed it. I want to know if the nvidia-installer still creates that directory. It doesn't exist in the extracted driver info, but I think the installer makes it during install |
| [15:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm packaging up the driver for a live-cd, and was curious if I had to make it on my own since the installer wont finish the install without an nvidia card in the machine |
| [15:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | it's just docs so I'll just make it anyway |
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| [15:32:00] | adante: | is there a way to get mythfilldatabase to NOT add channels it finds in the guide.xml data but are not already defined? |
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| [15:45:00] | robin_: | adante: if you don't give them a channel number, they won't add |
| [15:45:00] | robin_: | adante: i think |
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| [15:48:00] | directhex|work: | i get the joys of making LIRC work with my new remote later \o/ |
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| [15:51:00] | REyM: | hmm, still the same problem :( |
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| [15:56:00] | pirre: | REyM: what version of gcc are you using? |
| [15:57:00] | REyM: | pirre I tried 3.3 3.4 4.0 |
| [15:57:00] | pirre: | REyM: okay |
| [15:59:00] | REyM: | I don't get it I really can't find why it won't install it's driving me crazy :( |
| [15:59:00] | directhex|work: | install or build? |
| [15:59:00] | REyM: | I got almost everything working except the mpeg2 decoder |
| [15:59:00] | REyM: | build |
| [16:00:00] | REyM: | well, I already installed the debian package |
| [16:00:00] | REyM: | I got that working |
| [16:00:00] | directhex|work: | ah. so you've fiddled your source |
| [16:01:00] | REyM: | directhex|work what do you mean? I only apt-getted mythtv. but it hasn't got xvmc-lvd support build in. So I am trying to build it on my own now |
| [16:01:00] | REyM: | dat is het enige stomme ding dat nog niet werkt :(((((((((((((( |
| [16:01:00] | REyM: | oops, that was wrong channel |
| [16:03:00] | robin_: | :D |
| [16:04:00] | robin_: | xvmc sucks anyway, so why use it |
| [16:04:00] | robin_: | at least I can't get it without grey osd and stuttering images |
| [16:04:00] | REyM: | because that is the only way to watch TV properly, my via c3 1ghz isn't fast enough |
| [16:05:00] | robin_: | REyM: oh well I was speaking about the xvmc for nvidia.. don't know about the Via stuff |
| [16:08:00] | ** GreyFoxx is waiting to borrow one of those M10000 from a friend to play with using the decoder on them ** | |
| [16:08:00] | REyM: | well, I got mplayer to work with it |
| [16:09:00] | REyM: | 30% cpu usage while playing a dvd |
| [16:10:00] | robin_: | REyM: that's sounds ok, i got about 25% when using xvmc (and PIII-tualatin 1.2ghz), but that was record show at 10mbit i think |
| [16:11:00] | REyM: | but watching tv with mythtv (without xvmc) 120% or something like that :/ |
| [16:11:00] | robin_: | yeah, it even was 75% without xvmc |
| [16:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | A friend of mine has one he is gonna loan me, but he had to use it as an emergency replacement for a server that had hardware issues. So I'mwaiting for him to swap that back out |
| [16:11:00] | robin_: | REyM: which bitrate ? |
| [16:12:00] | REyM: | robin_ dunno actually, it comes out of my pvr150 |
| [16:12:00] | robin_: | REyM: look with ivtvctrl -a |
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| [16:12:00] | REyM: | bitrate_mode: 0 |
| [16:12:00] | REyM: | bitrate : 8000000 |
| [16:12:00] | REyM: | bitrate_peak: 9600000 |
| [16:12:00] | robin_: | REyM: you can change it |
| [16:12:00] | robin_: | REyM: 4–6 is enough |
| [16:13:00] | robin_: | 4mbit-6mbit for TV |
| [16:13:00] | REyM: | hmm |
| [16:13:00] | robin_: | 10mbit looks nicer, but wasting cpu cycles :) |
| [16:14:00] | REyM: | ivtvctl -c bitrate=4000000 |
| [16:14:00] | REyM: | that way? |
| [16:15:00] | robin_: | yes think so |
| [16:15:00] | REyM: | yup :} |
| [16:15:00] | REyM: | ok, let's try ^_^ |
| [16:15:00] | robin_: | and you can set peak to 6 |
| [16:16:00] | robin_: | REyM: I reinstalled everything with Kubuntu, ivtv latest, and latests firmware for PVR-150.. and the image is really good |
| [16:17:00] | robin_: | much better than i had before with knoppmyth |
| [16:17:00] | robin_: | much sharper |
| [16:17:00] | REyM]: | OMG WTF OWNAGE |
| [16:17:00] | robin_: | :? |
| [16:18:00] | REyM]: | it is quite usable atm :} |
| [16:18:00] | robin_: | :D |
| [16:19:00] | robin_: | REyM: http://pastebin.com/335301 I use these settings |
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| [16:19:00] | REyM]: | aspect 2? |
| [16:20:00] | robin_: | REyM: well these are the defaults.. I haven't touch them :D |
| [16:20:00] | robin_: | REyM: best looking, i don't wanna touch it anymore.. |
| [16:20:00] | robin_: | REyM: don't know about the aspect.. 2 is not good? |
| [16:21:00] | REyM]: | well, I got 3 |
| [16:21:00] | REyM]: | looks very nice too |
| [16:21:00] | REyM]: | :P |
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| [16:22:00] | robin_: | hehe.. hmm wondering what the 2 does.. let's take a look in the source. |
| [16:24:00] | adante: | robin_: they don't exist until they are added, so i can't not give them a channel number |
| [16:24:00] | adante: | or i suppose more correctly, i don't give them a channel number (because they don't exist :) |
| [16:24:00] | robin_: | adante: hehe ok :) |
| [16:24:00] | robin_: | only strange my remote stopped working |
| [16:25:00] | robin_: | I did a reboot and now lirc doesnt see it anymore :/ |
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| [16:27:00] | robin_: | REyM: what tuner do you have on your pvr-150 |
| [16:28:00] | robin_: | REyM: I got LG (type50) but the ivtv docs say only the MCE version got LG (51) and Non-MCE got Philips |
| [16:28:00] | robin_: | type 52 |
| [16:28:00] | robin_: | strange. |
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| [17:10:00] | _donofrio: | **POLL** what is everyone favorate distro for mythtv setups (hdtv and sata) |
| [17:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't use either of those, but I do have a favourite :) |
| [17:17:00] | Beirdo: | _donofrio: bah |
| [17:17:00] | Krazylegz: | I've never owed a SATA drive, nor do I have HDTV. |
| [17:17:00] | Beirdo: | use the distro you like |
| [17:18:00] | Beirdo: | and no need to start distro religious wars |
| [17:18:00] | _donofrio: | ok ok....just checkin |
| [17:18:00] | Krazylegz: | Distro JIHAD! |
| [17:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | Seriously the best distro is what you are most familiar with and therefore you will be able to use most effectivly |
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| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | as long as it has a decently recent qt |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | i.e. don't try to use RedHat 7.3 |
| [17:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Just cause one might be the most common doesn't make it better. Oftenthe most common is just the one with the lowest amount of effort for a new user :) |
| [17:22:00] | Krazylegz: | I'm starting with KnoppMyth, and later I will setup the system again, but with Gentoo. I don't know if this is recommended, though. |
| [17:22:00] | psyon: | ok, myth is tryign to use my channels now, but still just getting snow. |
| [17:23:00] | psyon: | at least its a step forward |
| [17:25:00] | robin_: | Just use (k)ubuntu. |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | just use what you like |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | and stop whining about other people's choices :) |
| [17:26:00] | Krazylegz: | I think he ran away. |
| [17:26:00] | robin_: | ok, telling from my experience i liked ubuntu much more than knoppmyth.. and now i will stop. |
| [17:26:00] | robin_: | :) |
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| [17:29:00] | ** robin_ wonders why lirc can't find remote on pvr-150 anymore.. :/ ** | |
| [17:31:00] | psyon: | crap, any one have a guess as to why I cant tune channels? |
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| [17:33:00] | Beirdo: | your tuner is likely not setup right |
| [17:33:00] | robin_: | cable plugged in? |
| [17:33:00] | psyon: | yeah, I figured that, but trying to decide if its somethign in myth, or ivtv |
| [17:33:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:33:00] | psyon: | yes, cable is plugged in |
| [17:33:00] | Beirdo: | can you capture from the command line with cat? |
| [17:33:00] | Beirdo: | or with mplayer? |
| [17:33:00] | psyon: | just snow. |
| [17:33:00] | Beirdo: | then it's ivtv, not myth |
| [17:34:00] | psyon: | how are you sure about that? maybe its not tuned when I try to capture from teh command lien :P |
| [17:34:00] | _donofrio: | no I'm still hetre going to first set it up on knoppmyth...got the doc's read up on it....then I'm going to rebuild and use pclinuxos2005 p91 (its god) |
| [17:35:00] | _donofrio: | I like the JAHD refrence made me smile@work |
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| [17:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Man, documenting stuff sucks |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | I hear ya, GreyFoxx |
| [17:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've spent more time writing documentation/info for this mythslax stuff than I have in the last 2 days actually getting it ready :) |
| [17:38:00] | _donofrio: | 2nd poll time – for HDTV 2 DVD = ? frontend or backend (single or dual machines) |
| [17:40:00] | psyon: | the tuner seems to be detected fine... |
| [17:44:00] | Mrgoose: | sup hoes |
| [17:44:00] | Mrgoose: | hmm |
| [17:45:00] | Mrgoose: | Beirdo: did you know you can graph netowrk usage of any pc on your network by installing snmp on the machine |
| [17:45:00] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [17:45:00] | Beirdo: | what do you think my cacti graphs do? |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | wake up :) |
| [17:46:00] | Mrgoose: | heh |
| [17:49:00] | DCG: | how much disk space does rtjpeg usually take up per hour at 170 quality/ |
| [17:50:00] | Beirdo: | DCG: record it and find out |
| [17:50:00] | DCG: | dangit |
| [17:50:00] | DCG: | ok |
| [17:50:00] | Beirdo: | not many people here likely use rtjpeg |
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| [17:50:00] | DCG: | guess i gotta |
| [17:50:00] | DCG: | i'm having issues with mpeg4 recording |
| [17:51:00] | DCG: | framerate seems lower, and for some reason my new sempron 2500 is using way more cpu time to record at the same quality settings than on my 1100 tbird |
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| [17:52:00] | Beirdo: | doesn't sound likely, you sure no settings changed? |
| [17:52:00] | DCG: | yea |
| [17:52:00] | DCG: | its very weird |
| [17:53:00] | DCG: | recording at 2200kbit 480x480 on the sempron is using 99% cpu, but on the 1100 it only uses 67% or so |
| [17:53:00] | DCG: | same tv card |
| [17:53:00] | Beirdo: | you sure you didn't click on the "high quality" or something by mistake? |
| [17:53:00] | DCG: | yea, i'm sure. |
| [17:53:00] | DCG: | same mythdb. |
| [17:53:00] | Beirdo: | it shouldn't take anywhere near that |
| [17:54:00] | DCG: | thats what has me bugged |
| [17:54:00] | Beirdo: | make sure DMA is on on your drive, etc |
| [17:54:00] | DCG: | it is |
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| [17:54:00] | DCG: | though on the 1100 it isnt. |
| [17:54:00] | Beirdo: | dunno then |
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| [17:54:00] | Beirdo: | something's got to have changed |
| [17:55:00] | DCG: | you would think upgrading to a faster cpu would make things better :/ |
| [17:55:00] | Beirdo: | check your settings to be sure |
| [17:56:00] | DCG: | i'm sure the settings are fine |
| [17:56:00] | DCG: | i moved the hdd from the 1100 to the 3200 |
| [17:56:00] | DCG: | er 2500 |
| [17:56:00] | DCG: | excuse me. |
| [17:56:00] | DCG: | been so dang many changes in hardware around here |
| [17:56:00] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [17:56:00] | jonK: | bah! google bots keep crawling mythweb |
| [17:57:00] | Beirdo: | jonK: so password protect it |
| [17:57:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [17:57:00] | jonK: | added a robots.txt |
| [17:57:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [17:57:00] | DCG: | jonK: whats your address, i've got some shows i wanna record :) |
| [17:57:00] | jonK: | but it took was a while before I noticed that the router lites were blinking |
| [17:57:00] | jonK: | and then to figure out why |
| [17:58:00] | jonK: | it was d/l the mpg files |
| [17:58:00] | schweeb: | don't listen to that Beirdo character |
| [17:58:00] | Beirdo: | if you don't password-protect it, you are asking for it |
| [17:58:00] | robin_: | :) |
| [17:58:00] | robin_: | never heard of sharing :) |
| [17:58:00] | Beirdo: | oh look, it's schweeb |
| [17:58:00] | jonK: | i think I will have to, I'm seeing a lot of unkown addresses in my apache log |
| [17:58:00] | Beirdo: | never heard of illegal? |
| [17:59:00] | schweeb: | Beirdo: indeed it is... gonna build me a myth box sometime soon |
| [17:59:00] | Beirdo: | coool |
| [17:59:00] | schweeb: | don't hang out in mike's channel anymore? |
| [17:59:00] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [17:59:00] | DCG: | wow, google has indexed alot of mythweb installs |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | he was extra-rude at a time I couldn't take it anymore. |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | so I left |
| [18:03:00] | psyon: | hmmmmm.... i wonder if the tuner is screwed |
| [18:03:00] | psyon: | im getting soem higher broadcast channels |
| [18:03:00] | psyon: | it seems |
| [18:03:00] | psyon: | but not cable. |
| [18:03:00] | psyon: | no, there is food network |
| [18:03:00] | Beirdo: | likely detected the wrong tuner type |
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| [18:06:00] | psyon: | wrong how? |
| [18:06:00] | psyon: | like wrong model? or wrong type like NTSC |
| [18:07:00] | Mrgoose: | hmm cause whenever i try to create new device/host i get snmp error |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | like wrong type of tuner |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | model, etc |
| [18:09:00] | riksta: | hey Beirdo |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | heya, riksta. |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | how's Merry Olde? |
| [18:09:00] | riksta: | lovely day today, for a chance ;) |
| [18:09:00] | riksta: | change |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [18:10:00] | riksta: | hows u? |
| [18:10:00] | Beirdo: | rained here this morning |
| [18:10:00] | Beirdo: | looking forward to a weekend on the couch |
| [18:10:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:10:00] | riksta: | looking forward to moving into my new appartment |
| [18:10:00] | riksta: | can get DVB again then |
| [18:10:00] | riksta: | hhehe |
| [18:10:00] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [18:10:00] | riksta: | any new projects for you? I been working on ADM for asterisk |
| [18:11:00] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [18:11:00] | Beirdo: | I tried to install it |
| [18:11:00] | Beirdo: | got an error |
| [18:11:00] | riksta: | i made an installer m8 |
| [18:11:00] | Beirdo: | then forgot all about it |
| [18:11:00] | riksta: | adm.hamnett.org try it again |
| [18:11:00] | riksta: | i got a free install4j license |
| [18:11:00] | Beirdo: | I'll have to give it another shot tonight if I get time |
| [18:12:00] | riksta: | tbh the installers are not current, download the cvs snapshot and use the ant build |
| [18:12:00] | riksta: | you wont get any errors nw |
| [18:12:00] | riksta: | now |
| [18:12:00] | Beirdo: | still no screen shot? |
| [18:12:00] | riksta: | not much to see... |
| [18:12:00] | riksta: | can make one if you really want :) |
| [18:12:00] | Beirdo: | well, it is kinda graphical, no? |
| [18:13:00] | riksta: | kinda yeah ... |
| [18:13:00] | riksta: | im lazy |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | aren't we all |
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| [18:16:00] | jcb: | i added some wrong info to my program guide. how can i delete all the content of the program guide, so i can re-run mythfilldatabase? |
| [18:17:00] | psyon: | run mythtvsetup |
| [18:17:00] | psyon: | it will ask if you want to delete your channel settings |
| [18:17:00] | jcb: | i dont want to delete the channels |
| [18:17:00] | jcb: | i use alot of time to set them up correctly |
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| [18:17:00] | jcb: | used even |
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| [18:18:00] | Tommck: | well... anyone in here have pchdtv cards? I'm trying to determine what the output of dtvsignal means... |
| [18:18:00] | Tommck: | what does repeating lines of "Signal > 100$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" mean? |
| [18:18:00] | Kronuz: | g'morning |
| [18:19:00] | Kronuz: | hey, I've been wondering... how should I activate the VCD configuration window |
| [18:19:00] | Kronuz: | ? |
| [18:19:00] | Kronuz: | was it a mistake the reason it's deactivated right now? |
| [18:20:00] | riksta: | jcb: delete from program; |
| [18:22:00] | Kronuz: | what's mythmovietime? |
| [18:22:00] | psyon: | whoo hoo! |
| [18:22:00] | psyon: | got it! |
| [18:22:00] | psyon: | turns out when you put modules in /etc/sysconfig/modules/*, it doesnt use the options in /etc/modprobe.conf |
| [18:23:00] | psyon: | so I had to specify teh options for them directly |
| [18:23:00] | psyon: | Now I need to properly configure my remote |
| [18:23:00] | psyon: | and just figure all this out :) |
| [18:23:00] | psyon: | then explain it to the wife |
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| [18:26:00] | Kronuz: | lol :P |
| [18:26:00] | Kronuz: | --enable-vcd |
| [18:26:00] | Kronuz: | hehe |
| [18:27:00] | Kronuz: | hey, GreyFoxx are you there? |
| [18:28:00] | DCG: | hrm, looks like rtjpeg uses around the same space as mpeg2 standard def |
| [18:28:00] | GeckoFiend: | Kronuz is a plugin for the LxMSuite folks. Lets you see what movies are showing in local theaters and buy tickets. |
| [18:28:00] | Kronuz: | GeckoFiend: oh, that sounds great! :) |
| [18:29:00] | xris: | GeckoFiend: can you buy tickets yet? |
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| [18:30:00] | Kronuz: | hey, I like where this project is going (MythTV) |
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| [18:30:00] | Kronuz: | it's been just a couple months since I downloaded it for the first time, and now it has many new cool features! :) |
| [18:30:00] | Kronuz: | ...and more comming every day :) |
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| [18:32:00] | defaultro: | morning guys |
| [18:33:00] | defaultro: | do you guys own a fx5200 nvidia card? |
| [18:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | Afternoon ;) |
| [18:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | not I |
| [18:33:00] | defaultro: | hey GreyFoxx :) |
| [18:33:00] | defaultro: | coz I'm planning to build another fe |
| [18:33:00] | GeckoFiend: | xris it's been in there for a while, just have to have a fandango link in the datastream. Not sure if it's supplie4d for all theaters or not |
| [18:33:00] | defaultro: | i got mythweb and dsmyth playing my nuv files remotely |
| [18:34:00] | xris: | ah. yeah, fandango is only half or so. movietickets.com gets the rest. |
| [18:34:00] | Kronuz: | defaultro: I have one of those (I think) |
| [18:34:00] | defaultro: | so i found out that the number of bytes I'm receiving from the network is enough to play it |
| [18:34:00] | defaultro: | kronuz, what resolution is it configured at? |
| [18:34:00] | Kronuz: | in MythTV? 800x600 |
| [18:35:00] | Kronuz: | (for my TV) |
| [18:35:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [18:35:00] | defaultro: | have you tried setting it too 1920x1080 |
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| [18:35:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – i use an fx 5200 |
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| [18:35:00] | defaultro: | it's because, this new frontend will only be connected to my old tv |
| [18:35:00] | Kronuz: | defaultro: not really |
| [18:35:00] | spike: | hi there |
| [18:35:00] | defaultro: | hi Tommck |
| [18:35:00] | Tommck: | hey defaultro |
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| [18:35:00] | spike: | anybody running mythtv on xbox? |
| [18:35:00] | defaultro: | are you using it at 1920x1080? |
| [18:35:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – yes |
| [18:36:00] | _donofrio: | really.... |
| [18:36:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [18:36:00] | _donofrio: | I run xbmc |
| [18:36:00] | defaultro: | my confusion is |
| [18:36:00] | Kronuz: | Tommck: is that for HDTV? |
| [18:36:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – yes |
| [18:36:00] | spike: | I don't get a few things about xbox, expecially the dvd part. do I need xbox dvd thing to let it play dvds once I've installed linux and mythtv on it? |
| [18:36:00] | defaultro: | i don't know if my old tv will accept 1920x1080. It's the 4:3 tv |
| [18:36:00] | Kronuz: | 'cause I'm supposed to have an HDTV, but I'm using 800x600 |
| [18:36:00] | Kronuz: | I didn't know you could use HDTV with a Geforce |
| [18:36:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – is it an HDTV? |
| [18:36:00] | defaultro: | nope |
| [18:36:00] | defaultro: | just the regular |
| [18:36:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – sure you can |
| [18:36:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – then it won't... |
| [18:36:00] | psyon: | is there a key to catch-up to curent time? |
| [18:36:00] | Kronuz: | hey, Tommck, could you send me your corg.conf ;) |
| [18:37:00] | Kronuz: | plz |
| [18:37:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – you're supposed to use 640x480 for that |
| [18:37:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [18:37:00] | defaultro: | that's small |
| [18:37:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – it all depends on your TV.. |
| [18:37:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – yep :) |
| [18:37:00] | Kronuz: | Tommck, just to analize the way you configure things for HDTV |
| [18:37:00] | defaultro: | but program will look normal right? |
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| [18:37:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – sure.. hold on a sec. |
| [18:37:00] | defaultro: | just like watching tv like the old days? |
| [18:38:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – yeah... if it's not an HD tv or ED or whatever, it's standard def... |
| [18:38:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [18:38:00] | defaultro: | cool |
| [18:38:00] | Kronuz: | Tommck, if you're using HDTV from a GeForce, can you just connect it to the SVIDEO or RCA? |
| [18:38:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – here's a blog article about how I figured it out: http://tommck.jodoshared.com/blogs/toms_mytht . . . /17/462.aspx |
| [18:38:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – no |
| [18:38:00] | Tommck: | s-video and rca won't suppot that resolution |
| [18:38:00] | Kronuz: | so, how do you connect it then? |
| [18:38:00] | defaultro: | how will the output look like when i play the hd recorded programs I have in mythtv to my old tv? |
| [18:39:00] | Tommck: | mine is VGA |
| [18:39:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – it looks good.. |
| [18:39:00] | Tommck: | it scales it down. |
| [18:39:00] | Kronuz: | Tommck, I thought GeForce only had SVideo and RCA outputs |
| [18:39:00] | defaultro: | just very wide |
| [18:39:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [18:39:00] | Tommck: | it always looks better when you start with more info and scale down |
| [18:39:00] | defaultro: | <Tommck> s-video and rca won't suppot that resolution |
| [18:39:00] | defaultro: | what resolution are you talking about here? |
| [18:39:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – well... there's also VGA... and DVI |
| [18:39:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – as far as I know, ANY HD resolution will not run over s-video or RCA |
| [18:40:00] | Tommck: | you're limited to standard def |
| [18:40:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [18:40:00] | defaultro: | but component inputs sure it can |
| [18:40:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [18:40:00] | Tommck: | or VGA |
| [18:40:00] | Tommck: | or DVI |
| [18:40:00] | defaultro: | i have tried, component, dvi, vga |
| [18:40:00] | defaultro: | all 3 works well |
| [18:41:00] | defaultro: | what if i set it too 800x600? |
| [18:41:00] | defaultro: | will rca accept it? |
| [18:41:00] | Tommck: | no |
| [18:41:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [18:41:00] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [18:41:00] | Tommck: | nothing above standard def, as far as I know |
| [18:41:00] | Kronuz: | O_O |
| [18:41:00] | Kronuz: | I'm using 800x600 |
| [18:41:00] | Beirdo: | not true |
| [18:41:00] | Tommck: | am I wrong beirdo? |
| [18:41:00] | Beirdo: | resolution != TV signal |
| [18:41:00] | Tommck: | oh.. cool |
| [18:41:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – please educate me |
| [18:41:00] | Beirdo: | RCA and s-video carry normal NTSC standard definition signals |
| [18:41:00] | defaultro: | beirdo, i was asking about my linux resolution |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | you can generate that with different resolutions from your video card |
| [18:42:00] | defaultro: | since my old tv can accept component, rca and svideo, what resolution should I set in my X? |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | but in the end, it gets converted to NTSC standard-def signalling |
| [18:42:00] | defaultro: | ah |
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| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | if you can drive the component from the computer, use that |
| [18:42:00] | defaultro: | so that saying, i can retain 1920x1080 then tv scales it down? |
| [18:43:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – which turns out to be 640x480 on a 4:3 screen, right? |
| [18:43:00] | Beirdo: | NO |
| [18:43:00] | defaultro: | no for my question? |
| [18:43:00] | Beirdo: | there is no resolution to a TV |
| [18:43:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [18:43:00] | Tommck: | it's analog |
| [18:43:00] | Beirdo: | it has 480 or so lines, but there is no resolution, it's analog |
| [18:43:00] | Tommck: | <-- duh |
| [18:43:00] | Beirdo: | if it can't display the resolution, it will just blur it, basically |
| [18:43:00] | defaultro: | so what happens to my current setup assuming i connected mythtv from existing hdtv to my old tv via component? |
| [18:44:00] | Beirdo: | if you can generate component signals from your video card, it should work well |
| [18:44:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [18:44:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – I'm going to upload my XF86Config... I'll let you know when it's up |
| [18:44:00] | Beirdo: | there the signalling is HDTV spec or NTSC spec (AFAIK) |
| [18:44:00] | defaultro: | coz I was able to drive my X at 1920x1080 and having it output to component before |
| [18:44:00] | Beirdo: | depends on what your TV expects |
| [18:45:00] | defaultro: | however, it was connected to HDTV set |
| [18:45:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [18:45:00] | defaultro: | the reason i was asking is because, i want to buy fx5200 and build a new FE |
| [18:45:00] | Beirdo: | on composite or s-video, you get only NTSC standard def signalling |
| [18:45:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – I doubt you're gonna have component inputs on a non-HD TV anyway |
| [18:45:00] | beavis: | how can I change the language of MyhtEPG to my default language? |
| [18:45:00] | defaultro: | nope, wrong |
| [18:45:00] | Beirdo: | dunno if FX5200 will output component |
| [18:46:00] | defaultro: | oh that will be the case |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | the 6600GT will, I think :) |
| [18:46:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – don't think so |
| [18:46:00] | defaultro: | Tommck, i have component input on my panasonic 29" |
| [18:46:00] | Kronuz: | I don't think the fx5200 has component output |
| [18:46:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – yeah.. .I saw one of those |
| [18:46:00] | xris: | GeckoFiend: so how is the api for ticket purchase? Would be slick to add *that* to mythweb. heh. |
| [18:46:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – and it's NOT HD? |
| [18:46:00] | defaultro: | Tommck, mine is 6600GT :) |
| [18:46:00] | defaultro: | tommck, it's not HD |
| [18:46:00] | defaultro: | i bought it 4 yrs ago |
| [18:46:00] | Tommck: | wow.. weird.. |
| [18:46:00] | Chutt: | there's lots and lots of non-hd displays with component inputs |
| [18:46:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | and some that are HD-ready |
| [18:46:00] | ** Tommck stands corrected yet again ** | |
| [18:47:00] | defaultro: | it's ok |
| [18:47:00] | Tommck: | the best thing about being wrong is learning from people who are right :) |
| [18:47:00] | Beirdo: | and some that are designed specifically for HD :) |
| [18:47:00] | defaultro: | yep, i've seen some at walmart |
| [18:47:00] | psyon: | ok, to use the hauppauge remote, or my normal universal, that is the question |
| [18:47:00] | defaultro: | it looks like a regular tv but in front, there is an HDTV logo |
| [18:48:00] | ** Beirdo wants to go home and go to bed ** | |
| [18:48:00] | defaultro: | damn, i got to disconnect, my other laptop is running out of battery |
| [18:48:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – then it's an HD TV, n'est-ce pas? |
| [18:48:00] | defaultro: | brb in 5mins |
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| [18:48:00] | defaultro: | Tom, mines not though coz it's old |
| [18:48:00] | defaultro: | but has nice quality in component port |
| [18:48:00] | defaultro: | my dvd sony has component out |
| [18:48:00] | Tommck: | it can't be that old if it has "HDTV" on the front? |
| [18:48:00] | defaultro: | brb |
| [18:48:00] | defaultro: | no |
| [18:48:00] | Kronuz: | hey, what's that FFTW for MythMusic? |
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| [18:48:00] | defaultro: | i was talking about the tv in walmart |
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| [18:49:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – usually that's for the progressive display, if I'm not mistaken |
| [18:49:00] | ** Tommck waits to be wrong again ** | |
| [18:49:00] | defaultro: | tv in walmart that i saw looked like a regular tv but they had hdtv logo in front :) |
| [18:49:00] | Tommck: | ah |
| [18:49:00] | defaultro: | progressive or interlace, it will work |
| [18:49:00] | defaultro: | not just for progressive |
| [18:49:00] | defaultro: | my dvd sony is not progressive |
| [18:49:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – but progressive won't work on other connections is what I'm saying.. |
| [18:50:00] | Tommck: | regular TVs can't display progressive, right? |
| [18:50:00] | defaultro: | hmmm |
| [18:50:00] | defaultro: | progressive needs to be configured on the dvd |
| [18:50:00] | defaultro: | you tell it too |
| [18:50:00] | defaultro: | i mean, dvd player |
| [18:50:00] | defaultro: | it should work on tv displays |
| [18:50:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – old TVs couldn't display 480p |
| [18:51:00] | Tommck: | someone tell me I'm wrong again |
| [18:51:00] | defaultro: | i have tried my $39 cyberhome dvd player on this old tv |
| [18:51:00] | defaultro: | just partly Tommck |
| [18:51:00] | defaultro: | brb |
| [18:51:00] | defaultro: | pc is shutting down |
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| [18:52:00] | psyon: | brrrrr |
| [18:52:00] | psyon: | grrr |
| [18:52:00] | psyon: | wrong button |
| [18:54:00] | Kronuz: | okay, I'm confused now |
| [18:54:00] | Kronuz: | what's fftw? |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | google it |
| [18:55:00] | Kronuz: | it seems there are two different packages with the same name that do different things |
| [18:55:00] | psyon: | is there a way to watch "live tv" without pause ability? |
| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | yes. |
| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | tvtime |
| [18:55:00] | Tommck: | psyon – a coax splitter |
| [18:55:00] | xris: | lol |
| [18:56:00] | xris: | psyon: use the tv the old fashioned way. |
| [18:56:00] | psyon: | Tommck: actually I have a splitter in place already, was just curious if anything was built into mythtv to do it |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [18:56:00] | Kronuz: | Beirdo: computing the discrete fourier transformatios, is that it? |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [18:56:00] | xris: | psyon: no, that would defeat the purpose of mythtv |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | that's the one, Kronuz |
| [18:56:00] | GeckoFiend: | xris it's just a simple URL. Unfortunatly. There's no API. Which pretty much means you MUST punch out to MythBrowser in order to complete the purchase |
| [18:56:00] | Tommck: | brb |
| [18:56:00] | charlesv: | dangit |
| [18:56:00] | charlesv: | i keep going to computer stores with intent to buy parts for a mythbox |
| [18:56:00] | Kronuz: | I guess I need fftw2 then |
| [18:56:00] | charlesv: | then walk away empty handed because stuff is too much money :P |
| [18:57:00] | Kronuz: | fftw3 was not detected by configure |
| [18:57:00] | xris: | GeckoFiend: ahh, so there's no partnership with fandango, just linking to their website. |
| [18:57:00] | Krazylegz: | charlesv: What do you still need? I got a decent deal from NewEgg on a Pundit-R, CPU and RAM. |
| [18:57:00] | charlesv: | case, cpu, ram, psu |
| [18:57:00] | charlesv: | have hd, video, tuners basically :) |
| [18:57:00] | psyon: | xris: doesnt defeat the purpose if your going into a dedicated monitor, and dont wanna exit myth to start tvtime. |
| [18:58:00] | xris: | will have to add code to detect which service offers tickets for which theatre types. |
| [18:58:00] | GeckoFiend: | TMS has some sort of deal with them. The URL that's included (when it is) is a "buy a ticket for this show at this time at this tehater" link. It should be possible to figure out their URL syntax I've just not done it |
| [18:58:00] | charlesv: | i'm going to be doing HD (but with XvMC) |
| [18:58:00] | xris: | psyon: the point of mythtv is to watch time-shifted tv. |
| [18:58:00] | psyon: | and record thought right? |
| [18:58:00] | xris: | GeckoFiend: I hadn't seen the link — last I checked, they said that feature was "coming soon" |
| [18:58:00] | psyon: | so what if you wanted just plain old live tv on one tuner, to save cpu resources, while recording on another? |
| [18:58:00] | Krazylegz: | charlesv: Why not buy a barebones system and save some cash? |
| [18:58:00] | kormoc: | psyon, just watch the live tv thing and it only buffers it, when you exit live tv, it's poof |
| [18:59:00] | ** GeckoFiend is down to 350g of media for the first time in ages. Time to do the HD shuffle add more space before the fall season ** | |
| [18:59:00] | Krazylegz: | That's what I did with the Pundit-R. It's small, too. |
| [18:59:00] | xris: | lol |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | GeckoFiend: hehe, we are so lame :) |
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| [18:59:00] | charlesv: | krazy: is it quiet? and does it support cpus that could handle HD? |
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| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | I'm at around 250G |
| [18:59:00] | xris: | psyon: or add a button to the theme that links to xawtv |
| [18:59:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, GeckoFiend, how much totall hd space do you guys have? |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | most of which is crap |
| [18:59:00] | xris: | charlesv: yes |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: 400G for myth |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | 960GB total in the fileserver |
| [19:00:00] | xris: | it's too bad asus stopped with the original pundit, though. MUCH better linux support for SiS than for ATI. |
| [19:00:00] | GeckoFiend: | I've got a 120g in my LVM that I'm going to replace with a 250g. That'll end up with me at 950gb in my LVM |
| [19:00:00] | Kronuz: | hey, GreyFoxx, have you seen the configuration window for MythWeather? |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | GeckoFiend: coolness. 10G less than me :) |
| [19:00:00] | Freud^: | Does anyone know if I have one capture card, if I can watch the same channel on multiple frontends ? |
| [19:00:00] | GeckoFiend: | Beirdo :-p |
| [19:01:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: where you select the location of the city you want to be checking? |
| [19:01:00] | kormoc: | woah, I happen to have 964 in my 'fileserver'/'mythbox'/'desktop' |
| [19:01:00] | GeckoFiend: | I've been toying with the idea of picking up some 400g drives. |
| [19:01:00] | GeckoFiend: | Freud^ not at the same time no |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | I've been drooling over 3ware RAID cards :) |
| [19:01:00] | Freud^: | GeckoFiend, do you know why ? |
| [19:01:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, they are nice :) |
| [19:01:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: I was thinking it would be useful to have something like that to browse the games in MythGame |
| [19:01:00] | Freud^: | GeckoFiend, just not implemented yet or some other reason ? |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: steal me one :) |
| [19:01:00] | ** kormoc is a proud owner of a 3ware 7006 controler ** | |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:02:00] | kormoc: | too bad it's only a two device eide controler :) |
| [19:02:00] | GeckoFiend: | Freud^ search the mailing list. hell it's probably in the FAW |
| [19:02:00] | Freud^: | GeckoFiend, ok, thanks |
| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | I want a 9000–8 or whatever it's called |
| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | 8-channel SATA |
| [19:02:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, I tend to like to deam about the 9006–12 myself :) |
| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | we are so lame |
| [19:03:00] | kormoc: | yeah, indeed we are... |
| [19:03:00] | kormoc: | but anyway, back to the droolage of hardware! |
| [19:03:00] | Krazylegz: | charlesv: I think it's pretty quiet. Mine is very close to my television and I can't hear it. Maybe it would be a problem if the room was quieter. |
| [19:03:00] | Beirdo: | and then I'd have to buy a stack of 250G SATA Seagates or something |
| [19:03:00] | Krazylegz: | I don't know if it's fast enough for HD, but I have a 2.26Ghz Celeron-D in there now. |
| [19:03:00] | Beirdo: | and transfer it all off my 200G ATA |
| [19:03:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:03:00] | charlesv: | yeah, i've already got a geforce i'd like to use |
| [19:04:00] | charlesv: | the pundit-ae3 has an agp slot, and is socket 754 so i could drop a sempron in there |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | that would take forever. |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | moving a 900+G LVM onto a RAID set :) |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:05:00] | kormoc: | nah :P |
| [19:05:00] | Beirdo: | nah? |
| [19:05:00] | Beirdo: | hell yah |
| [19:05:00] | kormoc: | eide is fast enough |
| [19:05:00] | Beirdo: | I'd run LVM on top of the raid |
| [19:05:00] | kormoc: | start it, go to bed, it'll be done in the morning |
| [19:05:00] | Beirdo: | it's the cabling I'd want |
| [19:05:00] | kormoc: | well, I mean it wouldn't be a pain |
| [19:06:00] | kormoc: | I'm running LVM on my new drives |
| [19:06:00] | Beirdo: | sure it would. hehe |
| [19:06:00] | Beirdo: | move one volume, wait..... |
| [19:06:00] | Beirdo: | remove it... |
| [19:06:00] | Beirdo: | move another volume... |
| [19:06:00] | Beirdo: | etc |
| [19:06:00] | kormoc: | I have three volume groups |
| [19:06:00] | kormoc: | one for backups, one for myth and one for multimedia |
| [19:06:00] | Beirdo: | meanwhile I'd have a huge stack of drives on the floor :) |
| [19:06:00] | kormoc: | so I can swap them around into servers and what not as needed |
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| [19:07:00] | rw: | hi |
| [19:08:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, http://www.lian-li.com/Product/Chassis/S_V_S_PC-V2000.htm |
| [19:08:00] | kormoc: | that's the case I want |
| [19:08:00] | kormoc: | has room for 12 harddrives in those bays at the bottom |
| [19:08:00] | kormoc: | can double it upto 24 bays if needed :) |
| [19:09:00] | charlesv: | at that point why bother getting a case for them all, just run sata cables to another box ;) |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | yup, just like in the Sonata :) |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | yumm |
| [19:10:00] | Kronuz: | Beirdo: you know what's the EXIF thing I need for MythGallery? since EXIF seems to be a standard, not only a library or module... and mythgallery refers to it as just EXIF |
| [19:10:00] | rw: | holy shit :) |
| [19:10:00] | kormoc: | charlesv, cause it's a sweet case for a server? |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno what libray you need |
| [19:10:00] | Kronuz: | :( |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | I don't use mythgallery |
| [19:10:00] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | I use gallery on a webserver |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | I have > 2k pictures |
| [19:11:00] | GeckoFiend: | heh probable libexif :-p |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | that would be my first guess, yeah |
| [19:11:00] | Kronuz: | GeckoFiend: hmm... that sounds plausible |
| [19:12:00] | rw: | libexif-dev |
| [19:12:00] | mishehu: | Beirdo: hey, I found out why I can't get hardware GL on this PCIe X800XL ATI card... |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | yeah? |
| [19:16:00] | kormoc: | cause ati doesn't support pci-e cards in it's driver yet? |
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| [19:19:00] | Kronuz: | for AAC support, what do I use FAAC? |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | probably |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | read the faacing manual? :) |
| [19:21:00] | Kronuz: | :p |
| [19:23:00] | Kronuz: | nope, it seems it wasn't faac :( |
| [19:26:00] | Kronuz: | hmm... libfaad and libmp4ff |
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| [19:36:00] | Tommck: | I'm searching and can't find this at all... does anyone know of a reference that tells me what the heck the "$$$$$" or "#####" mean in the output of dtvsignal? |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | the source might tell you |
| [19:37:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – ahh... good idea... |
| [19:38:00] | ** Tommck tries to figure out how to grep for "$" and not the end of the line ;) ** | |
| [19:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | \$ ? |
| [19:40:00] | Tommck: | that's what I tried first... it didn't seem to like it for some reason... |
| [19:40:00] | Tommck: | I found it though |
| [19:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | grep "\\$" moo |
| [19:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | That worked |
| [19:40:00] | Tommck: | ahh 2 of em |
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| [19:43:00] | Tommck: | so.. apparently $$$$$ is a good thing |
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| [19:45:00] | Mrgoose2: | hello |
| [19:46:00] | Mrgoose2: | Beirdo: so do you have to run the snmp-config on the other machines you are tryin to graph? or should cacti set that up? |
| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | ummm, you need to install and configure snmp |
| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | then point cacti at them |
| [19:48:00] | Mrgoose2: | ahh |
| [19:48:00] | Mrgoose2: | the snmp-config asks a shit load of questions |
| [19:50:00] | Cardoe: | what's happening Beirdo |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | trying not to break anything at work on Friday afternoon ;) |
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| [19:55:00] | Mrgoose2: | Beirdo: any way to clear the log file? when i hit the clear log file btton it does nothing |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
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| [19:57:00] | Kronuz: | okay, xvmc should I enable it? |
| [19:57:00] | Kronuz: | what is that for, exactly? |
| [19:57:00] | robin_: | Kronuz: you have Nvidia ? |
| [19:57:00] | robin_: | Kronuz: is it hardware accel for mpeg2 decoding |
| [19:58:00] | Kronuz: | yep, I have Nvidia GeForce FX5200 |
| [19:58:00] | robin_: | Kronuz: if you are low on cpu power, it can be usefull |
| [19:58:00] | robin_: | Kronuz: BUT, it has some minor problems |
| [19:58:00] | Kronuz: | oh, is that the one thing that made the OSD look in B/W ? |
| [19:58:00] | robin_: | well i have problems with the images sometimes stutter when seeking fast forward or switching channels |
| [19:59:00] | robin_: | Yes and the OSD is grey, but I thought there was a fix for that |
| [19:59:00] | Kronuz: | oh, is there? |
| [19:59:00] | Kronuz: | I didn't know... you know how to fix it? |
| [19:59:00] | robin_: | somebody mentioned a patch |
| [19:59:00] | Kronuz: | that's interesting |
| [20:00:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: good call. |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | if I break crap, I will have to fix it |
| [20:00:00] | Mrgoose2: | 8/12/2005 02:00:03 PM – CMDPHP: Poller[0] Host[1] DS[12] SNMP: v1: 127.0.0.1, dsname: snmp_oid, oid: , output: U |
| [20:00:00] | Mrgoose2: | 08/12/2005 02:00:03 PM – CMDPHP: Poller[0] Host[1] DS[12] WARNING: Result from SNMP not valid. Partial Result: |
| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | use a pastebin |
| [20:01:00] | Tommck: | what does snmp have to do with myth? |
| [20:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | ore #cacti |
| [20:01:00] | Kronuz: | robin_: I can't find the patch :( |
| [20:01:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx! |
| [20:02:00] | Kronuz: | did you see what I told you a few minutes ago? |
| [20:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [20:03:00] | Kronuz: | [12:01] <Kronuz> hey, GreyFoxx, have you seen the configuration window for MythWeather? |
| [20:03:00] | Kronuz: | [12:01] <Kronuz> GreyFoxx: where you select the location of the city you want to be checking? |
| [20:03:00] | Kronuz: | [12:02] <Kronuz> GreyFoxx: I was thinking it would be useful to have something like that to browse the games in MythGame |
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| [20:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think that's quite ugly actually |
| [20:04:00] | Mrgoose2: | heh |
| [20:04:00] | Mrgoose2: | Beirdo is my cacti assistant |
| [20:04:00] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [20:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or are you referring to the hashing of the names aspect ? |
| [20:04:00] | Beirdo: | learn it yerself, dude :) |
| [20:05:00] | Mrgoose2: | ahh |
| [20:05:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: well, the thing that you can browse by the first character first |
| [20:05:00] | Mrgoose2: | so even on the local machine you gotta set up snmp first |
| [20:05:00] | Mrgoose2: | i see |
| [20:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yes, the hashing of the names |
| [20:05:00] | Kronuz: | I suppose, yes |
| [20:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | Eventually I'm planning to put that into the gametree |
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| [20:11:00] | laga: | http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . pagenumber=1 <- nice home theater. |
| [20:13:00] | joshebel: | Anyone here go to Linuxworld SF this week? |
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| [20:22:00] | ldam: | silly question: When watching normal tv, pressing 'r' supposedly should start record the show one is watching? |
| [20:23:00] | GeckoFiend: | yep |
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| [20:23:00] | ldam: | hm. if it just displays Record "" on the display what's that supposed to mean, and why would it not start record? |
| [20:28:00] | GeckoFiend: | ldam do you have data in your program guide? |
| [20:28:00] | ldam: | probably not. I would not suspect that is a prerequisite for starting a recording |
| [20:28:00] | GeckoFiend: | it is |
| [20:28:00] | Kronuz: | ldam: that's something I don't like either :( |
| [20:29:00] | GeckoFiend: | without guide data all you can to is schedule a manula recording |
| [20:29:00] | ldam: | so it is? |
| [20:29:00] | GeckoFiend: | slow reader? |
| [20:29:00] | Kronuz: | it should start recording right away if you press record, without the need for a guide |
| [20:29:00] | GeckoFiend: | :-p |
| [20:29:00] | ldam: | i.e. i cannot make a on-the-fly recording if there is no program info. That sucks |
| [20:29:00] | ldam: | :( |
| [20:29:00] | GeckoFiend: | Kronuz we look forward to your patch |
| [20:29:00] | Kronuz: | :P |
| [20:30:00] | ldam: | at least it ought to be mentioned somewhere |
| [20:30:00] | GeckoFiend: | populate your guide or set up a manual record rule. |
| [20:31:00] | GeckoFiend: | it's not mentioned probably because 99% of the users don't need to hit r to record something without guide data |
| [20:31:00] | ** ldam mentions it in the faq ** | |
| [20:31:00] | ldam: | uhm. GeckoFiend not sure about that percentage |
| [20:31:00] | Kronuz: | GeckoFiend: with a manual record rule, you still need to configure the start/stop time, right? |
| [20:31:00] | GeckoFiend: | Kronuz right |
| [20:32:00] | ldam: | just press 'r' and fill up the HD – just my opinion |
| [20:32:00] | ** GreyFoxx thinks it's time to configure mod_bandwidth ** | |
| [20:33:00] | GeckoFiend: | ldam just how many peopel do you think there are out there without guide information using myth and trying to instant record something. That's such a narrow edge case it's not even funny |
| [20:33:00] | down_below: | << here's one ;) |
| [20:33:00] | ldam: | << here's one more |
| [20:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | Then it's time to start writing the patch :) |
| [20:34:00] | GeckoFiend: | and we have thousands and thousands of users. |
| [20:34:00] | down_below: | they are not in this chan right now :) |
| [20:34:00] | ldam: | GeckoFiend, i think just making that assumption is silly. It's like saying you can't use a normal vhs recorder with out having a tv program on the sofa table. If i see something i want to record it should do so |
| [20:35:00] | GeckoFiend: | ldam like I said. we look forward to your patch. None of the devs are going to write it for you since it's such a minor edge case and useless to the majority of users. |
| [20:35:00] | GeckoFiend: | hell the majority of users never even hit "r" |
| [20:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | "Then write the patch to do it". Obviously if those writing the existing stuff felt there was a need for it , then it would be there. I agree that it should start recording, but don't care enough to put the effort in |
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| [20:36:00] | robin_: | I do hit "r" |
| [20:36:00] | robin_: | but I also have Guide |
| [20:37:00] | down_below: | i would have a guide if eit would be working :\ |
| [20:37:00] | robin_: | I only hate the slow downloading of the guide. It took 4 hours today :/ |
| [20:37:00] | robin_: | That's insane, but not mythtv fault. |
| [20:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | 4 hours? Zap2it ? |
| [20:38:00] | robin_: | no tv_grab_nl |
| [20:38:00] | GeckoFiend: | myth is designed to work with guide data. if you don't have a guide, then huge chunks of the software and useless |
| [20:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ahhh ok |
| [20:38:00] | robin_: | it parse a website.. but it is awfull slow. |
| [20:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | 4 hours is still pretty extreme |
| [20:39:00] | robin_: | Yes I first thought the script was crashed so even tried it over and over again.. Till today.. and well it works great in 4 hours :D |
| [20:39:00] | laga: | robin_: well, put it in a cron job. you dont need to watch it downloading stuff ;) |
| [20:40:00] | robin_: | laga: hehe I know :D |
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| [20:41:00] | robin_: | anyone here has a coolermaster cavalier 4 case? |
| [20:41:00] | robin_: | want to know if it is silent. |
| [20:41:00] | down_below: | do you have a picture? dont know the name of my case :) |
| [20:42:00] | robin_: | http://www.descom.be/images/behuizingen/coole . . . valier_4.jpg |
| [20:42:00] | down_below: | no thats not my case |
| [20:42:00] | robin_: | you have another HTPC case of coolermaster? |
| [20:42:00] | down_below: | yeah |
| [20:43:00] | robin_: | hmm. thought this was the only one |
| [20:43:00] | robin_: | no i'm curious |
| [20:43:00] | robin_: | it is a desktop ? |
| [20:43:00] | down_below: | mom |
| [20:43:00] | robin_: | *now |
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| [20:44:00] | down_below: | http://www.pc-gehaeuse.com/detail.php?detail= . . . p;index.html |
| [20:44:00] | down_below: | here is mine |
| [20:44:00] | down_below: | but with a black front |
| [20:45:00] | down_below: | and yeah its "called" desktop |
| [20:45:00] | robin_: | ah ok don't think mine dual p3 mobo fit in there :) |
| [20:45:00] | down_below: | hehe not really |
| [20:45:00] | robin_: | you use via epai ? |
| [20:45:00] | robin_: | epia |
| [20:45:00] | down_below: | nope mini atx with celeron 2400 |
| [20:46:00] | robin_: | interesting, what mobo ? |
| [20:46:00] | down_below: | uh some asus thing |
| [20:47:00] | robin_: | is it quiet ? |
| [20:47:00] | down_below: | P4S800-MX |
| [20:47:00] | down_below: | i can only hear the hdd |
| [20:48:00] | down_below: | but the hdd is really loud :( |
| [20:48:00] | robin_: | hehe, that's also my problem now.. but i'm using only a very old 13GB hdd running diessel :D |
| [20:48:00] | robin_: | engine |
| [20:49:00] | down_below: | im using a wd1200jb |
| [20:49:00] | down_below: | this drive sucks |
| [20:49:00] | robin_: | temporary.. i'm gonna buy samsung spinpoint 200gb |
| [20:49:00] | robin_: | those should be very silent |
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| [20:50:00] | down_below: | samsung is ok ... i have 2 160GB spinpoints in my workplace pc |
| [20:51:00] | robin_: | best hdd for htpc I thought. |
| [20:51:00] | down_below: | nut you can hear them nevertheless |
| [20:51:00] | down_below: | but* |
| [20:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | man , how close to your pc are you sitting? I can't imagine hearing my HD over the sound of the video I'm watching |
| [20:52:00] | down_below: | only if its quiet i mean :) |
| [20:52:00] | down_below: | not disturbing |
| [20:53:00] | down_below: | but the wd thing is REALLY disturbing |
| [20:53:00] | robin_: | well i hate sound |
| [20:53:00] | robin_: | eh well noise |
| [20:54:00] | robin_: | when i'm not watching TV. The PC should be really silent, cose it is always on |
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| [20:56:00] | robin_: | down_below: why don't you switch with the one in your PC :) |
| [20:56:00] | down_below: | cause in my pc its sata |
| [20:56:00] | down_below: | and i have 2 160s in a raid 0 |
| [20:56:00] | robin_: | i see |
| [20:57:00] | down_below: | and dont use the htpc at the moment cause i cant get mythtv work with eit :( |
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| [20:58:00] | laga: | down_below: dvb-s? |
| [20:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: So you seriously wanna try out this USB Stick mythfrontend ? |
| [20:58:00] | down_below: | laga: we had that thing in #mythtv-de, you remember? |
| [20:59:00] | down_below: | the guy with "use on air guide" no showing up in the setup ;) |
| [20:59:00] | down_below: | +t |
| [20:59:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: i'm afraid that my spare computer won't be able to boot from an usb stick. but i'd like to try it out, of course, maybe tomorrow ;) |
| [20:59:00] | laga: | down_below: oh, yeah. :/ |
| [20:59:00] | laga: | down_below: are you using debian? ;) |
| [21:00:00] | down_below: | laga: knoppmyth, so i think YEAH :) |
| [21:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: just curious, gonna be a few days unless I get some time to dedicate to it tonight. I'm fleshing out the docs now. and trying to think about what I've forgotten than I need to include |
| [21:00:00] | braniff: | is it possible to use a laptop's infrared capabilities to remote control a television ?? |
| [21:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | Using 0.18.1 release or some newer svn copy ? |
| [21:00:00] | down_below: | 0.18.1 |
| [21:00:00] | laga: | braniff: no, usually not. although there are a few programs that let you use your palm as a remote. |
| [21:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | I suppose I'll have to install lirc/compile in lirc support |
| [21:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | down_below: Sorry that was for laga :) |
| [21:01:00] | down_below: | ouh :) |
| [21:01:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: lirc support sounds great ;) |
| [21:01:00] | Kronuz: | brb |
| [21:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: What version of myth are you running? |
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| [21:01:00] | braniff: | oh ok |
| [21:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've only packaged up svn as of the other day for this, but I'll be making another one |
| [21:01:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: latest svn, usually :) |
| [21:01:00] | down_below: | laga: also tried to compile version 0.18 but mythbackend wont start, because it cant find some file :( |
| [21:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | good stuff |
| [21:02:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: heh. usually, yes. but sometimes it sucks ;) |
| [21:02:00] | laga: | down_below: i think SVN is better for dvb-eit anyways |
| [21:02:00] | XAD|off: | Grey, I think a read about a program that could use the computer IR-link as remote receiver... |
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| [21:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | I might make a 0.18.1 package for it, but not likely |
| [21:02:00] | down_below: | laga: i thought it is brocken in svn? |
| [21:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | at least, not right away :) |
| [21:03:00] | laga: | down_below: dunno, i dont use dvb-eit. |
| [21:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | XAD|onoff: I don't even use IR with mine, but I'll add in lirc suppose for those who might want too |
| [21:03:00] | down_below: | somebody told me in #mythtv-de |
| [21:03:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: well, shouldn't take more than compiling it, huh? what's needed to make a slex package anyways? |
| [21:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's pretty trivial |
| [21:04:00] | laga: | slax* |
| [21:04:00] | XAD|onoff: | Grey, are you a mythtv developer?? |
| [21:04:00] | braniff: | what kind of good stuff is in the CVS myth-suite that is not 0.18.1 ? |
| [21:04:00] | XAD|onoff: | or a "lower" level dev?? |
| [21:04:00] | jonK: | he's a wizard |
| [21:04:00] | jonK: | with powers |
| [21:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | XAD|onoff: I guess so, I've been the one modifying mythgame, but I haven't contributed anything to the main frontend |
| [21:05:00] | laga: | braniff: support for the dboxII, channel scanning for analog cards... |
| [21:05:00] | t0t3r: | some new features in mythgame? |
| [21:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: You can make a directory structure with everything and do dir2mo, or make a slackware package(tgz) and run tgz2mo |
| [21:05:00] | jonK: | what's a good way to get started with mythgame, anyway |
| [21:05:00] | braniff: | laga, interesting |
| [21:05:00] | XAD|onoff: | jonK: if you dont have any powers, can you call yourself a wizard then?? ;-) |
| [21:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | t0t3r: big changes in how the emulators are handled, and got rid of the xmame dependancy |
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| [21:06:00] | jonK: | I've built it into the frontend, but have never used it |
| [21:06:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: nice, that doesn't sound hard. i wonder if one could just run tgz2mo against some random mythtv package for slackware? ;) |
| [21:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Faily generic interface that lets you add PC games/emulators just like you add another capture card |
| [21:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Feel free, but I'll only be including my own :) |
| [21:06:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: heh |
| [21:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | this way I also know to include any dependancy in the list of modules for them to grab |
| [21:07:00] | laga: | yeah, right |
| [21:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | t0t3r: here are a couple screenshots of the new interface for adding emulators and such: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythgame/ |
| [21:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | 6,7 and 8 are the most recent of course |
| [21:08:00] | t0t3r: | k thx |
| [21:08:00] | t0t3r: | had no probs with mythgame in 0.18.1 ... |
| [21:08:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: does it come with sensible defaults, or do i have to add everything? |
| [21:08:00] | t0t3r: | just the bug with the joystick .. |
| [21:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Does what ? |
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| [21:09:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: like, default emulators :) |
| [21:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | Oh, you define everything |
| [21:09:00] | laga: | bleh, i'm lazy ;) |
| [21:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | You pick the emulator you want, you can tell it where the roms are/ screenshots, and even the file extensions if you choose |
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| [21:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | the version in my local tree is a little different than the screenshots as I add in a few things I haven't committed yet |
| [21:11:00] | ** laga install latest svn on his boxes ** | |
| [21:12:00] | t0t3r: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/wiring.jpg <-- very good! |
| [21:12:00] | XAD|onoff: | Grey, are you doing the icons?? |
| [21:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | XAD|onoff: the ones in the setup menu's? Those are part of the theme, nothing to do with what I'm working on |
| [21:13:00] | agile: | I was just admiring that. :) |
| [21:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | agile: It did it's job :) |
| [21:14:00] | XAD|onoff: | to bad, ... it would be nice with a an old "Atari joystick" for games and a maybee a "gameboy" with circle for scanning games.... |
| [21:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | XAD|onoff: Pretty much all of that kind of stuff is dealt with in themes, no in the code :) |
| [21:16:00] | XAD|onoff: | I know but thought that you might be involved in both... |
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| [21:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | Other than the theme I've been messing around with for the hell of it, not really. |
| [21:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've been playing around with porting the project mayhem 3 theme over to myth. But some of what I want to do wont be available until mythui has had some work done |
| [21:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | So at the moment I've got the version I run on my own stuff until then |
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| [21:19:00] | t0t3r: | dumb question? ... will it be possible to make GL transition effekts when changing screens ? |
| [21:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | in mythui it will |
| [21:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | or I should say using mythui it will |
| [21:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | have you tried running the test app ? |
| [21:20:00] | t0t3r: | i hope so ... would be cool feature ... |
| [21:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | It demonstrates some of that stuff |
| [21:20:00] | t0t3r: | test app? |
| [21:20:00] | t0t3r: | where? |
| [21:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, in the mythtv source there is a mythui test app |
| [21:20:00] | XAD|onoff: | I would like a clean GUI based on remote control buttons (such as Wellton Way)... 9 icons for main navigation and selection... it also gives it a very high WAF factor... |
| [21:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have no idea if it's included in packages or not |
| [21:20:00] | t0t3r: | latest svn? |
| [21:20:00] | Kronuz|away: | MythGUI is going to be great! |
| [21:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | t0t3r: It's been included in source for quite a while |
| [21:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | inside the myth source : programs/mythuitest/ |
| [21:21:00] | t0t3r: | k i check it out |
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| [21:21:00] | t0t3r: | i'm not not really up to date ... |
| [21:22:00] | Kronuz|away: | GreyFoxx: I added my MAME roms and the names are those of the MAME datfile (short meaningless names) |
| [21:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | It (or some version of it) was included as far back as 0.17 |
| [21:22:00] | Kronuz|away: | is there a way to have the complete game name in the list instead |
| [21:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | brb |
| [21:22:00] | Tommck: | is there something special I'm supposed to do to make my front-end run mtd? is that not part of the install? |
| [21:23:00] | Kronuz|away: | GreyFoxx: also, speaking of games, I made stella2, mupen64, and gens work with MythGame |
| [21:24:00] | Kronuz|away: | GreyFoxx: I couldn't find binaries nor source code that worked fine out of the box, so I fixed some things... they're working a lot better with MythGame now :) |
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| [21:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz|away: There is no way to see the entire game name no. At the moment I think it's just chopping at the last ., and eventually will be using name it looks up either from good utils dat files or some other database |
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| [21:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | I assume by entire game name you mean the full filename |
| [21:27:00] | Kronuz: | by entire game name I mean the real game name |
| [21:28:00] | Kronuz: | for instance Street Fighter II in MAME's database is sf2.zip |
| [21:28:00] | Kronuz: | so instead of showing sf2, it should show: Street Fighter II |
| [21:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | once the lookup code is done that is how it will show up |
| [21:28:00] | Kronuz: | (also, it would be good to separate the clones too) |
| [21:29:00] | Kronuz: | but that's not entirely necessary ;) |
| [21:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | What do you mean by seperate the clones ? |
| [21:29:00] | Tommck: | I can not rip a DVD in MythDVD... it just says "No Job / CHecking DVD" on the screen... |
| [21:30:00] | Tommck: | how do I know what device it's checking? |
| [21:30:00] | Kronuz: | MAME has many clones in its database |
| [21:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | oh, ok |
| [21:30:00] | Kronuz: | I'll probably help you if you want |
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| [21:30:00] | Kronuz: | with the naming/searching stuff |
| [21:30:00] | t0t3r: | it should just show the filename .... |
| [21:30:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck because you told it your DVD device in the settings |
| [21:31:00] | Tommck: | right.. |
| [21:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | t0t3r: That would be the easiest way for sure :) |
| [21:31:00] | t0t3r: | there should be an option |
| [21:31:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: sf2.zip, sf2eb.zip, sf2ja.zip, sf2ua.zip, sf2ub.zip, etc |
| [21:31:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – well, it doesn't seem to know when a disk has been inserted either |
| [21:31:00] | t0t3r: | cause i just wanna name hem as i want |
| [21:31:00] | Kronuz: | all those are different clones of Street Fighter II |
| [21:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | t0t3r: It could certainly be added as a config option easily enough |
| [21:32:00] | t0t3r: | DO IT :> |
| [21:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | I do what I want, when I want |
| [21:32:00] | t0t3r: | for sure |
| [21:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | however if you would like me to look at it, send me an email otherwise I might forget about it |
| [21:33:00] | t0t3r: | hmm ... |
| [21:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | that one would be simple enough to do |
| [21:33:00] | t0t3r: | address? ... |
| [21:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | see that /msg |
| [21:33:00] | t0t3r: | k |
| [21:34:00] | Kronuz: | hey, GreyFoxx, I didn't post that trac for the bug I told you, but I'm here to remind you ;) |
| [21:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: I did it and commited the fix that evening |
| [21:34:00] | Kronuz: | cool :) |
| [21:34:00] | Kronuz: | hey, how did you get to have svn write access? |
| [21:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | I sent Isaac lots n lots of cash |
| [21:35:00] | Kronuz: | lol |
| [21:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | muahaha |
| [21:35:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – you go through a painful initiation, including tossing some salads... |
| [21:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | sounds like I had it easy then :) |
| [21:36:00] | Kronuz: | :S |
| [21:36:00] | Tommck: | I don't have access though. never will, I'm guessing |
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| [21:38:00] | Tommck: | anyone else having problems with MythDVD detecting disks being inserted? |
| [21:38:00] | Kronuz: | like automatically? |
| [21:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Can't say I've ever even tried that |
| [21:39:00] | Tommck: | yeah. |
| [21:39:00] | Kronuz: | I did tried it but it didn't work |
| [21:39:00] | t0t3r: | works for me |
| [21:39:00] | Tommck: | I was figuring it might be related to its inability to rip them too |
| [21:39:00] | Kronuz: | t0t3r: what do you need to configure for it to work? |
| [21:39:00] | t0t3r: | notin |
| [21:39:00] | t0t3r: | just enable it in setup |
| [21:39:00] | Tommck: | enabled in setup.. |
| [21:39:00] | Kronuz: | I already did that.... |
| [21:39:00] | t0t3r: | mtd should be runnin |
| [21:39:00] | Tommck: | mtd is running |
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| [21:40:00] | t0t3r: | hmm try if it works for audio |
| [21:40:00] | Tommck: | if I try to rip it tells me "no jobs. checking and / or waiting for DVD" |
| [21:40:00] | Kronuz: | what's mtd? |
| [21:40:00] | Tommck: | myth transcode daemon |
| [21:40:00] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [21:40:00] | Kronuz: | that's why |
| [21:41:00] | Kronuz: | that detection is only for transcoding? |
| [21:41:00] | t0t3r: | no |
| [21:41:00] | Kronuz: | I thought it would also bring up the player |
| [21:41:00] | t0t3r: | when u put in DVD it brings up the player or plays the DVD directly |
| [21:41:00] | t0t3r: | i can configure that |
| [21:41:00] | Kronuz: | "but it says mtd was built without transcode support. It won't do anything" |
| [21:42:00] | Kronuz: | (if I don't use transcoding then it doesn't work? that shouldnt be that way if it's also for auto play) |
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| [21:43:00] | Tommck: | any other tricks to getting dvd ripping to work? |
| [21:43:00] | ** robin_ loves kubuntu.. try to install xine. but it is not there ** | |
| [21:43:00] | Kronuz: | :P |
| [21:43:00] | ** robin_ only ui for xine :/ ** | |
| [21:44:00] | Kronuz: | I'm getting a whole bunch of warnings from qt-3 while building MythTV |
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| [21:44:00] | Kronuz: | (about some structs having virtual functions but non-virtual destructor) |
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| [21:46:00] | Tommck: | brb |
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| [21:59:00] | Tommck: | why can't I get mythdvd to access my dvd? |
| [21:59:00] | Kronuz: | Tommck: what do you mean? |
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| [22:00:00] | Tommck: | it just tells me "No Jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD" when I try to rip it... |
| [22:00:00] | Tommck: | it doesn't react when I insert a DVD |
| [22:00:00] | Kronuz: | oh, I've never used rip :( |
| [22:00:00] | Tommck: | ( I have it set up to bring up the MythDVD menu on insertion ) |
| [22:03:00] | Tommck: | hehe.. funny' |
| [22:03:00] | Kronuz: | what's so funny? |
| [22:03:00] | Tommck: | apparently, running mtd from the command line doesn't work.. |
| [22:03:00] | Kronuz: | it doesn't? |
| [22:03:00] | Tommck: | it MUST be run as "mtd -d" ? |
| [22:03:00] | Tommck: | because that's when it started working |
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| [22:03:00] | Kronuz: | hmm |
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| [22:04:00] | Kronuz: | Tommck: what libs do you need to build with to have transcode support? |
| [22:04:00] | Tommck: | except apparently I don't have a new enough version for the ISO rip... time to upgrade :) |
| [22:04:00] | Tommck: | uhh.. |
| [22:04:00] | Kronuz: | yeah, MythDVD, what does it need to be built with transcode support |
| [22:08:00] | xris: | probably transcode. |
| [22:10:00] | directhex: | am i imagining it, but is the system exit button not stored in the normal keybindings location? |
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| [22:14:00] | xris: | there's a global "exit" command? |
| [22:14:00] | harryman100: | hi, I have compiled mythtv, successfully, but when I run mythtv-setup, I get "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded", however, I have re-compiled QT4 with mysql, but I still get the same error |
| [22:14:00] | Tommck: | How's the latest svn stability? |
| [22:14:00] | t0t3r: | qt4 sux |
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| [22:19:00] | Tommck: | did the DVD ISO ripping change make it into 0.18.2 ? |
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| [22:20:00] | Tommck: | where'd everyone go? |
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| [22:24:00] | jwilliam: | I'm getting a "gdm could not write to your authorization file" when trying to log in as mythtv |
| [22:24:00] | Tommck: | doesn't sound like a Myth problem |
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| [22:25:00] | jwilliam: | it happened right after I moved ~15 gig of mp3's onto the computer and created the music database in myth |
| [22:25:00] | jwilliam: | there's plenty of space on that partition, though |
| [22:26:00] | Tommck: | I don't know... maybe you have a quota issue? |
| [22:26:00] | Tommck: | (total SWAG) |
| [22:26:00] | jwilliam: | quota? |
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| [22:27:00] | Tommck: | maybe you have some disk quota enabled and that particular user exceeded it? |
| [22:27:00] | jwilliam: | I'll look into that. Thanks. |
| [22:28:00] | Tommck: | anyone running latest svn? |
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| [22:28:00] | Tommck: | just wanted to do a random stability check.. |
| [22:28:00] | Tommck: | I know it varies based on hardware/software, but I'm just curious if there are known issues at this point |
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| [22:35:00] | JazHambo: | Any knoppmyth users here? I would ask the question at $knoppmyth but no one is answering? |
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| [22:44:00] | xris: | Tommck: from last week or so |
| [22:45:00] | Tommck: | xris – you're running recent svn? is that what you mean? |
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| [22:47:00] | xris: | yes |
| [22:47:00] | Tommck: | no major issues? |
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| [22:48:00] | xris: | nothing that hasn't been around for weeks |
| [22:48:00] | Tommck: | like? |
| [22:48:00] | Tommck: | I have been running 0.18.1 for a while |
| [22:48:00] | Tommck: | May 23rd code, I think |
| [22:49:00] | xris: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/213 |
| [22:49:00] | xris: | that's my biggest annoyance |
| [22:49:00] | Tommck: | whoa... every time? |
| [22:49:00] | xris: | yup |
| [22:49:00] | xris: | seriously annoying. |
| [22:49:00] | Tommck: | that sucks |
| [22:50:00] | Tommck: | not everyone gets this, right? |
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| [22:51:00] | Tommck: | :) I will see if I have that issue |
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| [22:54:00] | directhex: | i fail to see where myth stores my choice of exit key – if i set it to ctrl-esc, where is that being defined? |
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| [23:22:00] | Tommck: | I'm trying to run ./configure on my frontend machine.... but it's coming up with "DVD playback – no" |
| [23:22:00] | Tommck: | anyone know why? |
| [23:24:00] | pmowry: | decss libraries? or whatever the decryption is called. |
| [23:24:00] | Tommck: | I have that |
| [23:27:00] | directhex: | ./configure --help ? |
| [23:27:00] | Tommck: | --enable-dvd is the default |
| [23:27:00] | Freud^: | Tommck, you need libdvdnav for mythtv |
| [23:27:00] | Tommck: | I think I have that too |
| [23:27:00] | Freud^: | Tommck, you need libdvdnav-devel on fedora based machines |
| [23:27:00] | Tommck: | it's SuSE |
| [23:27:00] | Freud^: | Tommck, also libdecss-devel and libdvdread-devel |
| [23:28:00] | Freud^: | Tommck, not sure how devel packages are addressed in SuSE |
| [23:28:00] | Tommck: | similarly |
| [23:28:00] | Freud^: | Tommck, look for the -devel packages then |
| [23:28:00] | Tommck: | will do |
| [23:28:00] | directhex: | oh god, the way quitting is handled is HORRIBLE |
| [23:28:00] | Tommck: | quitting what? |
| [23:29:00] | directhex: | the frontend |
| [23:29:00] | Freud^: | Tommck, check if you have /usr/include/dvdnav |
| [23:29:00] | directhex: | no wonder it doesn't just have a simple key binding |
| [23:29:00] | Tommck: | didn't have dvdnav-devel |
| [23:29:00] | Tommck: | directhex – fix it then |
| [23:30:00] | Freud^: | Tommck, that's enough for the mythtv package bu you need decss and dvdread for mythplugins |
| [23:30:00] | Tommck: | I have those |
| [23:30:00] | Freud^: | Tommck, -devel also ? |
| [23:30:00] | Tommck: | yep |
| [23:30:00] | directhex: | considering all the places this snakes through the code, it's non-trivial to fix |
| [23:30:00] | Freud^: | Tommck, ok, you should be all set then |
| [23:31:00] | Freud^: | directhex, how does it suck so much ? |
| [23:34:00] | directhex: | it's handled via adding layers of cruft onto the "ESCAPE" action |
| [23:34:00] | Tommck: | Freud^ – thanks for the help... seems like it'll work |
| [23:34:00] | Freud^: | Tommck, glad to be of help. |
| [23:34:00] | pmowry: | exiting back one screen at a time, until it exits the system completely works great for a remote control as an interface. |
| [23:34:00] | ** Tommck is off to watch some TV ** | |
| [23:34:00] | Tommck: | ttyl |
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| [23:35:00] | directhex: | well. partyly it's in main.cpp in mythfrontend, and themedmenu.cpp in libmyth and libmythui. and possibly other places too, it's hard to tell |
| [23:36:00] | pmowry: | So your complaint is not about the functionality, but the implementation? |
| [23:36:00] | pmowry: | Or do you want a single key to exit (with confirmation) immediately from anywhere? |
| [23:36:00] | Freud^: | pmowry, I actually think you can bind a key to exit from anywhere |
| [23:37:00] | directhex: | i'd like to be able to quit from a single non-escape key. immediately from anywhere is good, but not vital |
| [23:37:00] | directhex: | as it is, it uses the ESCAPE action's key, with or without added modifiers |
| [23:37:00] | directhex: | from the top-level menu |
| [23:40:00] | laga: | bind a key to 'killall mythfrontend'? ;) |
| [23:40:00] | directhex: | binding to "halt" would be more what i want |
| [23:41:00] | directhex: | but lirc only allows single-key bindings |
| [23:41:00] | laga: | irexec? |
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| [23:42:00] | directhex: | hm. i'd still prefer it if there was the whole myth shutdown confirmation. too easy to slip on the power button |
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