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Saturday, July 30th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] _Nero_: nice.. do you have a url/screenie of myxer?
[00:00:00] xris: jvs: new theme?
[00:00:00] jvs: abarbaccia_: http://lisadaveh.home.comcast.net/myxer/
[00:00:00] jvs: here we go :)
[00:01:00] jvs: haha
[00:01:00] jvs: 5th element is on tv
[00:01:00] jvs: :)
[00:02:00] _Nero_: jvs- that myxer looks nice.
[00:02:00] jvs: _Nero_: yeah
[00:02:00] jvs: and you can change the background and icons and stuff
[00:02:00] jvs: there is a simple script
[00:02:00] jvs: and a php script you can run online or on your own php server
[00:02:00] jvs: just read the news
[00:03:00] _Nero_: nice..
[00:03:00] jvs: I even mailed the author 'cause I just love it :)
[00:03:00] jvs: _Nero_: if you plan to continue to work on your theme and need some help, just tell me
[00:03:00] _Nero_: I think he was going to help with my icons for my theme as well.. (this was like a year ago, so I dont remember who it was..)
[00:04:00] _Nero_: I'd definitely like some help.. :)
[00:04:00] _Nero_: though it is a very "different" theme..
[00:04:00] _Nero_: http://mdobossy.student.princeton.edu/~nero/oldfilmss.jpg <---- SS
[00:04:00] _Nero_: if you are interested in helping (like the style, etc..) let me know..
[00:04:00] _Nero_: if not, I know it is kind of strange, and understand.. :)
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[00:05:00] jvs: AMAZING
[00:05:00] _Nero_: you like it?
[00:05:00] jvs: yeah
[00:05:00] _Nero_: :)
[00:05:00] _Nero_: I've been using Photoshop and Illustrator (doh!) to make it..
[00:05:00] Filip: My backend.log keeps telling me that it has waited 2 seconds for the data to become available, and finally it fails saying "taking too long to be allowed to read". The mythtv user of MySQL has all permissions, but still nothing.
[00:05:00] abarbaccia_: _Nero_, it looks great – reminds me of "fight club" like in the DVD menu part before the movie begins
[00:05:00] Filip: Anyone have any additional ideas?
[00:06:00] _Nero_: and have a layered PS document that has all the layers of "grunge" and scratches..
[00:06:00] cochi: anybody in here having an pvr500 card and some time to go through my config?
[00:06:00] _Nero_: and then you just insert an icon..
[00:06:00] jvs: hmm, reminds me of a mixture of trainspotting and tarantino
[00:06:00] _Nero_: I think it looks better on a TV then on a monitor..
[00:07:00] jvs: I'd def. trade my current theme for this one
[00:07:00] _Nero_: well, if you are interested jvs, I can get the files together, and start looking at what needs to be done to make it work with 0.18..
[00:07:00] _Nero_: my other concern is the only font I could find that really fit it was a not-so-common font called "MoviePoster"
[00:08:00] jvs: _Nero_: if you are interested, just do it and I'll try to help wherever I can
[00:08:00] _Nero_: will do.. :)
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[00:08:00] jvs: yeah, yeah, yeah
[00:10:00] jvs: hmm
[00:10:00] jvs: well, instruction: install this font! :)
[00:11:00] _Nero_: yeah.. Its not too bad to install, but I cant find the author to ask if I can distribute the font with the theme..
[00:11:00] _Nero_: so it would probably have to be a link in the readme to the font..
[00:11:00] jvs: hm
[00:11:00] jvs: well, we could look for another font
[00:11:00] jvs: or create our own
[00:12:00] _Nero_: this is true..
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[00:13:00] _Nero_: I gotta find all these old files.. lol
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[00:13:00] jvs: heh
[00:15:00] jvs: good nite party ppl
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[00:16:00] _Nero_: gnight.
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[00:32:00] abarbaccia_: hey – whats the best operating system to use to run a firewall+dhcp+webserver on? FreeBSD or a linux distro (please recommend)
[00:34:00] _Nero_: abradaccia- I use Mandrake, or whatever it is called + ipkungfu to set up an iptables firewall, seems to work very well..
[00:36:00] abarbaccia_: _Nero_, im looking for something a little more server oriented than a desktop user based distro
[00:36:00] abarbaccia_: im looking for like rhel, or FreeBSD, or something of the like
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[00:39:00] gary_: Is there a special way to ensure that your capture's are DVD, and not VCD settings?
[00:39:00] gary_: PVR 150
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[02:09:00] xanderp: anyone in here using pvr150's in gentoo? looking for some tips
[02:10:00] xanderp: i have found several HOWTO's and guides, but have had problems with them, and don't know if there is a REALLY good one that is current someone would recommend.
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[02:13:00] linlin: Anyone heard of jimmy-rigging an xbox DVD remote to work with USB on a PC for MythTV ?
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[02:28:00] mchou: anyone here use xvmc w/ myth?
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[02:40:00] riddlebox: wohoo got my pvr-500 working perfectly now audio on both tuners!
[02:41:00] Randall64: Is that a real pvr card?
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[02:41:00] riddlebox: yeah?
[02:41:00] Randall64: (mpeg encoding in hardware)
[02:41:00] riddlebox: yes
[02:41:00] Randall64: interesting
[02:41:00] riddlebox: dual tuners too
[02:41:00] Randall64: 2x the price of a pvr150?
[02:42:00] riddlebox: it cost me around $200 I think
[02:43:00] mchou: you overpaid.
[02:43:00] mchou: should be round US $130
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[02:43:00] mchou: maybe $145 at most.
[02:43:00] riddlebox: got it from happauge
[02:44:00] mchou: ouch. No wonder :)
[02:44:00] mchou: you got ripped.
[02:44:00] mchou: but at least it's working :)
[02:44:00] riddlebox: mchou: I had to do ivtvctl -q 1 to get sound on both tuners
[02:45:00] riddlebox: I searched mysettopbox.tv for 3 days lol
[02:45:00] mchou: what is the '-q' option?
[02:45:00] riddlebox: not really sure I found it here:
[02:45:00] riddlebox: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . tuner+pvr500
[02:46:00] riddlebox: hrmm next thing to tackle is the fm tuner
[02:50:00] mchou: lol. 'ivtvctl -q' is set audio input source.
[02:50:00] mchou: like why is that rocket science?
[02:51:00] riddlebox: I didnt read anything about it but ok I figured it had to do with audio lol
[02:52:00] opello: hrm, i never had to do that with my pvr-500
[02:52:00] mchou: opello: that's probably you dont use the second input :)
[02:52:00] riddlebox: lol
[02:52:00] opello: mchou: the svideo?
[02:53:00] opello: i use both tuners, if that's what you were alluding to me not using
[02:58:00] mchou: sigh, I'm so disappointed.
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[02:59:00] mchou: I can't figure out what's up with the OSD w/xvmc.....
[03:01:00] opello: mchou: so is that what you meant? the second tuner?
[03:01:00] riddlebox: opello:I believe he was just kidding
[03:01:00] opello: ...ah
[03:01:00] mchou: I wasnt kidding.
[03:02:00] riddlebox: opello: the weird thing was that I had it all working before then I had to reinstall and I only had one tuner with sound
[03:02:00] opello: odd
[03:02:00] opello: mchou: then what's the second input?
[03:02:00] mchou: the -q switch is only necessary if you dont use the tuner.
[03:02:00] mchou: like svideo in or whatnot.
[03:02:00] opello: so what's the 'second'... svidro or composite?
[03:03:00] opello: svideo*
[03:03:00] mchou: sigh....
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[03:03:00] mchou: like /dev/video0 and /dev/video1
[03:03:00] mchou: video1 being 2nd in this case.
[03:04:00] opello: video1 is the second tuner on the pvr-500
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[03:04:00] mchou: no you fool
[03:05:00] mchou: video1 is the second SOUCE.
[03:05:00] mchou: SOURCE.
[03:05:00] poonj: hey mchou: I was wondering what tool I use to check the signal strength for a pchdtv-3000 card for different channels
[03:05:00] mchou: can be tuner, svideo, or composite.
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[03:05:00] mchou: poonj: dude, read the dvb-utils docs.
[03:05:00] opello: mchou: and, since we were talking about the pvr-500, it in natural to assume you were referring to it
[03:06:00] mchou: it's all explained in there.
[03:06:00] opello: mchou: you are the one making these grandiose statements that are wrong.
[03:06:00] mchou: opello: oh really now?
[03:06:00] opello: /dev/v4l/video1 is the second tuner *on the pvr-500*
[03:06:00] opello: or, if you're so inclined, /dev/video1
[03:06:00] mchou: opello: read my lips: it's the second SOURCE
[03:07:00] opello: and yet, mplayer shows me the tv signal
[03:07:00] mchou: if you dont understand what source means by all means look it up.
[03:07:00] mchou: lol
[03:07:00] mchou: I am talking to an ididot.
[03:07:00] mchou: idiot*
[03:07:00] opello: only if you're talking to yourself
[03:07:00] mchou: opello: dont waste my time.
[03:08:00] opello: the first two 'sources' are inseperable on the card
[03:08:00] mchou: if /dev/video1 is 2nd TUNER, what's the dev node for 2nd svideo-in on pvr500?
[03:08:00] mchou: opello: you're fucking daft.
[03:08:00] opello: not sure without checking, because i haven't used it
[03:09:00] mchou: EXACTLY.
[03:09:00] mchou: Dumbass.
[03:09:00] opello: but i know for a fact, that the second tuner is /dev/video1
[03:09:00] mchou: LOL
[03:09:00] opello: /dev/video0 /dev/video1 /dev/video24 /dev/video25 /dev/video32 /dev/video33
[03:09:00] mchou: haha!
[03:10:00] laga: mchou: watch it. ;)
[03:10:00] mchou: so tell us what each one of those dev nodes corresponds to.
[03:10:00] opello: and why the sanctimonious laugh, please explain it to such a curr
[03:11:00] riddlebox: didnt mean to start a war
[03:11:00] mchou: opello: why dont you type ivtvctl --help on the command line an tell me what you see.
[03:11:00] mchou: s/an/and
[03:11:00] opello: if it were in my path i would
[03:11:00] opello: since it's not, i'll go find the binary and do just that
[03:11:00] mchou: right. do that.
[03:13:00] opello: too much to paste without flooding
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[03:14:00] mchou: no need to paste.
[03:14:00] opello: "and tell me what you see" ...
[03:14:00] opello: i see the help output for ivtvctl...
[03:15:00] mchou: tell me what the -p and -q switches do.
[03:16:00] opello: -p, --set-input=<num>
[03:16:00] opello: -q, --set-audio-input=<num>
[03:16:00] mchou: EXACTLY.
[03:16:00] mchou: in other words, sources
[03:16:00] opello: and yet, he already said it set the input...
[03:17:00] mchou: WHAT set the input???
[03:17:00] opello: or it was you — -q : 19:50 < mchou> lol. 'ivtvctl -q' is set audio input source.
[03:18:00] mchou: opello: lol. you repeating what I'm saying now??
[03:18:00] opello: for the record though, input 1 is svideo-1
[03:18:00] mchou: duh.
[03:18:00] opello: mchou: no, just correcting my statement, and giving my pronoun an antecedent
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[03:18:00] mchou: opello: do "ivtvctl -Q -P" on yours.
[03:19:00] LokeDK: Hi.. I get this error: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[03:19:00] LokeDK: when i try to start it
[03:19:00] opello: mchou: 6 and 0 respectively
[03:19:00] mchou: opello: Now read the descriptions:
[03:19:00] mchou: Input = 0: Tuner Audio In
[03:20:00] mchou: opello: what's responsible for setting 6 and 0 on yours?
[03:20:00] mchou: opello: like why couldnt those be ay 5 and 1?
[03:20:00] mchou: s/ay/say
[03:20:00] opello: no idea, i assume the driver did
[03:21:00] mchou: LOL
[03:21:00] opello: maybe something i set in mythsetup
[03:21:00] mchou: opello: exactly.
[03:21:00] opello: mchou: did i ever portend to be an expert?
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[03:21:00] mchou: sure you did. [18:09:17] <opello> but i know for a fact, that the second tuner is /dev/video1
[03:21:00] mchou: you represented that as FACT.
[03:22:00] mchou: when you had NO idea why that was.
[03:22:00] opello: lol, but it is indeed correct
[03:22:00] mchou: no, it's not correct.
[03:22:00] opello: if i tune to a channel on the second tuner, and ask mplayer to play /dev/video1, i see that channel
[03:22:00] mchou: a broken clock is correct twice per day.
[03:22:00] opello: how is that not representative of that fact?
[03:23:00] mchou: doesnt mean it's "correct"
[03:23:00] opello: my anecdotal evidence indicated it was, feel free to correct me
[03:23:00] mchou: then I suggest you look at the full output of ivtvctl -a
[03:23:00] opello: i did
[03:24:00] mchou: and get educated fo a change.
[03:24:00] mchou: for*
[03:24:00] mchou: ioctl: VIDIOC_ENUMINPUT (there are 7 on mine)
[03:24:00] opello: i see no device nodes listed ...
[03:24:00] mchou: lol
[03:24:00] opello: wow, you're really insufferable
[03:25:00] mchou: then stop making me suffer :)
[03:25:00] opello: a good "lol" instead of stating something, makes you feel special i imagine
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[03:25:00] opello: i actually have 8
[03:25:00] mchou: opello: if you had half a brain you should be able to figure it out.
[03:25:00] opello: i assume you do too, and can't understand 0 based counting
[03:26:00] mchou: haha!
[03:26:00] mchou: o excuse me, you gonna crucify me for looking only at the largest #.
[03:27:00] opello: sure, as big a deal and no information as you were giving me
[03:27:00] mchou: it's only no information if you dont use your brain.
[03:27:00] mchou: You have everything you need to figure it out.
[03:28:00] opello: and yet, i don't even remember what i'm supposed to be figuring out
[03:28:00] mchou: haha!
[03:28:00] mchou: talk about attention deficit.
[03:28:00] opello: but at least i can count :)
[03:29:00] mchou: You're supposed to figure out WHAT set 6 and 0 (in your case)
[03:29:00] mchou: as sources.
[03:29:00] mchou: and say why it's not say 0 and 1
[03:29:00] mchou: as an example.
[03:30:00] mchou: and why this statement is incorrect: [18:09:17] <opello> but i know for a fact, that the second tuner is /dev/video1
[03:33:00] mchou: opello: lemme know when you figure it out.
[03:33:00] mchou: :)
[03:34:00] opello: well, since i'm about 60miles from my pvr, i'm digging through the database to see if it's a setting
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[04:02:00] opello: mchou: after getting back from dinner, i noticed the 'cardinput' table, which shows the sourceid of both tuners as 1
[04:06:00] mchou: opello: dude. Stop pretending to be daft.
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[04:07:00] QBob: Has anyone had any success with ivtvdev and xorg?
[04:07:00] mchou: ivtvdev?
[04:08:00] QBob: the ivtv frame buffer driver
[04:08:00] mchou: you mean the devel version of ivtv?
[04:08:00] mchou: ivtvfb :)
[04:08:00] QBob: yeah, that too
[04:09:00] QBob: mine just hangs my system
[04:10:00] QBob: and prints out lots of messages of the form "(EE) IVTVDEV(1): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument
[04:10:00] mchou: cant help you there. I dont use ivtvfb.
[04:11:00] QBob: is there an ivtv channel somewhere?
[04:11:00] mchou: #ivtv-dev, I think, but it's basically dead.
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[04:29:00] linlin: how do i sign up for zap2it ?
[04:33:00] opello: linlin: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3
[04:33:00] linlin: ok
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[04:37:00] linlin: ok done with that
[04:37:00] linlin: when i goto the chnnels menu, the "scan for channels" button is greyed out. dont i need that?
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[06:04:00] linlin: how do i make myth play xvid?
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[06:07:00] Randall64: Well, these debs aren't very effective.
[06:12:00] Randall64: My backend is configured to use localhost, but is persistent in its attempts to use the fqdn instead.
[06:13:00] Randall64: Any ideas?
[06:13:00] CCFL_Man: so an hdtv card is seen as a dvb card?
[06:13:00] rtsai: /etc/hosts ?
[06:13:00] rtsai: CCFL_Man: depends on what modules you build into your kernel. HD-3000 can use either v4l or dvb drivers.
[06:15:00] Randall64: Well, I put the Right Stuff in /etc/hosts and it's still a retard.
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[06:18:00] smb3_guy: rtsai: though i haven't seen any cable tuner cards that are just cable tuners
[06:18:00] smb3_guy: no av input
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[06:20:00] Randall64: This just never gets better.
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[06:24:00] mchou: wtf
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[06:24:00] mchou: did a lot of ppl just get dropped?
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[06:24:00] mchou: heh, guess so :)
[06:27:00] mishehu: bah.
[06:27:00] mishehu: hmm.
[06:27:00] mishehu: mythtv seems to like to put its libs in the wrong place on this x86_64 build...
[06:33:00] mishehu: it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy to have lilo as balash detectiv
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[06:36:00] mchou: mishehu: you got all z86_64 ironed out?
[06:36:00] mchou: s/z/x
[06:36:00] mishehu: mchou: not avifile or transcode.  :-/
[06:36:00] mchou: lol
[06:36:00] mchou: it's been weeks man.
[06:36:00] mishehu: those two programs constantly attempt to link with -lgcc_s_32
[06:37:00] mishehu: yeah, I've been busy as hell
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[06:44:00] mchou: mishehu: you got any words of wisdom regarding an a64 build?
[06:44:00] mchou: cause I'm finally about to install mine :)
[06:45:00] mchou: like if you say "dont use it" I think I might take your advice :)
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[06:49:00] rtsai: anyone een this before: "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine SCSI module" ?
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[06:51:00] xris: rtsai: nope
[06:51:00] xris: rtsai: btw, did you ever work at amazon?
[06:52:00] rtsai: never
[06:52:00] xris: rtsai: guess there's another Rob Tsai out there, then. heh.
[06:52:00] rtsai: plenty :)
[06:53:00] xris: oh well, just curious (coworker knows someone who shares your name — they both used to work at amazon)
[06:55:00] smb3_guy: is there any cable tv tuner cards that only have rf inputs?
[06:55:00] mchou: huh??
[06:56:00] smb3_guy: instead of both av and rf inputs
[06:56:00] mchou: smb3_guy: like why would you care if it has av inputs?
[06:58:00] smb3_guy: because i want a seperate cable tuner card and a seperate av input card
[06:58:00] smb3_guy: for cable and directv
[06:58:00] mchou: I dont get it.
[06:58:00] smb3_guy: to record both at the same time if i want
[06:58:00] mchou: like why not just buy pvr500 and get iy over with?
[06:58:00] mchou: it*
[06:59:00] smb3_guy: directv via the av inputs, cable via the rf inputs, and be able to record from both at the same time
[06:59:00] mchou: it's got everything on it that you'd want (and not want :))
[07:00:00] rtsai: What's the longest uptime of your myth boxes? I *just* had to reboot after 15 days because one of my HD-3000 cards stopped working (a reboot "fixed" it).
[07:00:00] mchou: smb3_guy: the HW doesnt give a damn what you record.
[07:00:00] mchou: rtsai: haha!! bast hd3k drivers :)
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[07:00:00] mchou: blasted*
[07:00:00] rtsai: although i think i probably could have just unloaded/reloaded the modules
[07:00:00] smb3_guy: mchou: but with a pvr-250, you can record from either cable or the av inputs only one at a time
[07:00:00] mchou: most likely.
[07:01:00] mchou: smb3_guy: I told you about pvr500 already.
[07:01:00] mchou: what's the deal?
[07:01:00] rtsai: smb3_guy: can't directv output RF?
[07:01:00] mchou: sure it can.
[07:01:00] mchou: but PQ degrades :)
[07:09:00] xris: rtsai: couple of months between kernel upgrades and blown circuit breakers, I think
[07:12:00] rtsai: ah well I can always try again next month. Besides, a gratuitous reboot is always good. It's like blowing your nose :).
[07:12:00] smb3_guy: mchou: linux drivers will see the pvr-500 as two RF tuners?
[07:12:00] xris: smb3_guy: yes. it basically looks like dual 150's
[07:13:00] xris: though if you're going to use the AV inputs, you need a breakout slot, and two 150's is usually cheaper.
[07:13:00] mchou: or 2 svideo. or 1 RF and 1 svideo
[07:13:00] mchou: whatever combo you want.
[07:15:00] mchou: I dont really think two 150s are cheaper considering the brakout dongle is incuded now in the price you pay for pvr500.
[07:15:00] mchou: breakout*
[07:15:00] xris: mchou: last I checked, 500 was like $150, and 150's were like $60 apiece
[07:15:00] mchou: used to be a separate purchase.
[07:15:00] xris: ahh, maybe that was it.
[07:15:00] xris: was also awhile ago, maybe price has dropped
[07:16:00] smb3_guy: ahh
[07:16:00] smb3_guy: the pvr-500 is what i need then
[07:16:00] mchou: don't forget shipping on two instead of one :)
[07:16:00] xris: mchou: I got mine from buy.com — free shipping and no tax for me
[07:16:00] rtsai: does anyone know if PCI slots are stably numbered across reboots? Like if DVB#0 is currently the "top" PCI card, can I depend on that?
[07:16:00] mchou: usually etailers jack up shipping for 2 :)
[07:16:00] xris: rtsai: usually, yes.
[07:16:00] smb3_guy: pvr-500, twinhan dvb-s card, and an air2pc hdtv card
[07:17:00] smb3_guy: those are the cards to my dream pvr
[07:17:00] xris: smb3_guy: what would you use the dvb card for?
[07:17:00] mchou: hehe
[07:17:00] smb3_guy: xris: free to air, i want DW-TV
[07:17:00] mchou: we all know whjat for.
[07:18:00] xris: just checking. heh.
[07:18:00] mishehu: mchou: sorry, was installing 0.18.1 on my athlon xp box
[07:18:00] mishehu: mchou: I don't know yet, I'm just about to install on my a64.
[07:18:00] mchou: mishehu: huh??
[07:18:00] mishehu: my a64's won't be master backends though.
[07:18:00] smb3_guy: mchou: that as well, too
[07:18:00] mchou: I thought you instaleed that already.
[07:19:00] mchou: installed*
[07:19:00] mishehu: mchou: not mythtv on the a64's yet
[07:19:00] rtsai: I've been running fe/be on a64 with no problems.
[07:20:00] mishehu: rtsai: what's "fe/be" ?
[07:20:00] mchou: rtsai: you have pci-e?
[07:20:00] rtsai: mishehu: combined frontend/backend
[07:20:00] rtsai: mchou: no, agp
[07:20:00] mishehu: mchou: I have pci-e, and I haven't yet gotten hardware GL on my ATI X800XL card.
[07:21:00] ** mishehu spits on ATI again. **
[07:21:00] mchou: mishehu: dude, you just asking for trouble.
[07:21:00] mishehu: my AIW 9000 gets around 2200 fps on glxgears, but this a64 3700+ can barely push out 230 fps
[07:21:00] mchou: haha!
[07:22:00] smb3_guy: i need to get one huge c-band dish
[07:22:00] mchou: serves you right with going with ATI JUNK.
[07:23:00] mchou: nvidia is having a fire sale on fx5700 personal cinemas :)
[07:23:00] mchou: nifty lil card for $70.
[07:24:00] mchou: DVI, component, svid, and composite outs.
[07:24:00] smb3_guy: i got a radean 9800 for gaming
[07:24:00] rtsai: what's wrong with fx5200 for $40?
[07:24:00] mchou: rtsai: [22:24:07] <mchou> DVI, component, svid, and composite outs.
[07:24:00] smb3_guy: mchou: that would be a sweet card for a mythtv box
[07:24:00] mchou: yeah, got mine today.
[07:25:00] rtsai: the only "out" that matters is the one that goes to your TV. It's not like "more is better" ... :)
[07:25:00] mchou: I'm a lil disappointed though.
[07:25:00] smb3_guy: mchou: all 4 of those outputs though!?
[07:25:00] mchou: video bios is a bit fubar.
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[07:26:00] mchou: check it outy here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133143
[07:26:00] mchou: you also get a 128 Thumbdrive for free :)
[07:27:00] linlin: on my backend setup, i setup everything i think need setting up, but under the channels section, the "Scan for channels" button is disabled. What do i do? Dont i need that button?
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[07:27:00] smb3_guy: mchou: wow, thats the perfect card
[07:28:00] mchou: not bad for $70. :)
[07:28:00] mchou: truner doesnt work in linux though :)
[07:28:00] smb3_guy: i know
[07:28:00] mchou: tuner*
[07:28:00] smb3_guy: no big deal, good as an output card
[07:29:00] mchou: but for $70 I wasnt gonna care about the tuner
[07:29:00] GreyFoxx: Hah the remote looks identical to the Niveus remote , except for the Nvidia logo
[07:29:00] mchou: and someone in japan is reportedly working on a linux driver for the tuner :)
[07:30:00] mchou: it is the same X10 remote.
[07:30:00] mchou: just no IR functions, and not backlit.
[07:30:00] smb3_guy: sweet
[07:30:00] mchou: I couldnt care less about that crappy remote.
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[07:31:00] mchou: gonna sell that on fleabay :)
[07:32:00] mchou: the fx5700 is not a gaming card really.
[07:32:00] smb3_guy: no, not really
[07:33:00] mchou: hence why nvidia is having a fire sale.
[07:33:00] mchou: ppl prefer 9800 for that. But 9800 is a buggy POS.
[07:33:00] mchou: at least in linux.
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[07:34:00] mchou: not to mention more expensive too.
[07:35:00] smb3_guy: my 9800 runs doom 3 nice, but hl2 crashes like hell
[07:35:00] mchou: hah, doesnt surprise me.
[07:35:00] smb3_guy: no hl2 for linux either
[07:35:00] smb3_guy: hl2 is one kick ass game, but the freakin engine is so damn buggy
[07:36:00] smb3_guy: if they used open gl, everything would work fine, but no....
[07:36:00] mchou: bah, who needs DZRM crap from Valve.
[07:36:00] mchou: DRM*
[07:36:00] smb3_guy: only way to play hl2
[07:36:00] mchou: I hate that virus they make you install.
[07:36:00] smb3_guy: it's not that bad, actually
[07:36:00] mchou: pump ads over to your desktop.
[07:37:00] mchou: pisses me off.
[07:37:00] smb3_guy: it doesn't have any ads, really
[07:37:00] GreyFoxx: hrm, fix a mythgame bug or work on my theme, or sleep....
[07:37:00] interp: Any reason myth wouldent be able to read /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 (my fstab entry)
[07:37:00] GreyFoxx: decisions decisions
[07:37:00] mchou: sure it does.
[07:37:00] smb3_guy: it is one slim client
[07:37:00] mchou: "the new version of XXX_mod is out"
[07:37:00] mchou: that's a freaking ad in my book.
[07:38:00] interp: mchou: Thats a good mod :D
[07:38:00] smb3_guy: thats ads, yes, but not "take this pill and your penis enlarges by 30%"
[07:38:00] interp: mchou: Vin Diesel is Triple X
[07:41:00] mchou: it actually woulnt surprise me if price of that card drops even lower in a few wks.
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[07:42:00] interp: Any ideas on why my myth cant read cds?
[07:42:00] mchou: cause the CD is copy protected? :)
[07:43:00] interp: Nope
[07:44:00] EL_Whistey: permissions?
[07:44:00] interp: fstab? or what?
[07:46:00] mchou: permissions of /media dir
[07:47:00] interp: root
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[07:47:00] interp: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jul 29 23:05 cdrom -> cdrom0
[07:47:00] interp: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 48 Jul 29 23:05 cdrom0
[07:47:00] EricAnderson: Is development still happening??
[07:47:00] mchou: what kind of question is that?
[07:48:00] EricAnderson: the cvs.mythtv.org seems to show no activity in months
[07:48:00] mchou: that's cause they switched to svn
[07:49:00] EricAnderson: oh
[07:49:00] EricAnderson: How is it that I can browse the tree now?
[07:49:00] GreyFoxx: install and use subversion/svn
[07:49:00] GreyFoxx: or checking out http://cvs.mythtv.org
[07:49:00] GreyFoxx: Should find links to all relevant info
[07:49:00] interp: mchou: What should the permissions be of the dirs in /media ?
[07:49:00] mchou: you dont need to install svn to browse source.
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[07:50:00] mchou: you can browse source from web browser.
[07:50:00] EricAnderson: sweet
[07:50:00] EricAnderson: thank you
[07:50:00] EricAnderson: Nice, using trac now too
[07:54:00] mchou: ok, what constitutes a reasonable size for /tmp partition?
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[07:55:00] mishehu: gah
[07:55:00] interp: mchou: 1GB
[07:55:00] mchou: interp: lol.
[07:55:00] interp: mchou: 1GB with defaults,noexec
[07:55:00] mishehu: I have to rebuild qt, I forgot the guy who maintains slamd64 built against mysql 4.0.x and not 4.1.x
[07:55:00] linlin: on my backend setup, i setup everything i think need setting up, but under the channels section, the "Scan for channels" button is disabled. What do i do? Dont i need that button?
[07:56:00] mchou: there is no way I'm gonna allocate 1GB to tmp.
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[07:56:00] mchou: mishehu: like why would you care?
[07:56:00] mchou: I thought myth works fine w/mysql 4.0.x
[07:57:00] GreyFoxx: it does
[07:57:00] interp: mchou: Too much?
[07:57:00] mchou: interp: even 250MB would probably be too much
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[08:00:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: you use XVMC with myth at all?
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[08:01:00] GreyFoxx: I did for a while when I had a frontend that was pretty low powered. Haven';t in a while
[08:01:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: do you recall any OSD "bad behavior?"
[08:02:00] mchou: like when you used XVMC.
[08:03:00] GreyFoxx: not really. Just the ugly grayscale colour :)
[08:03:00]
[08:03:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: no OSD stuttering?
[08:04:00] mishehu: mchou: it might, but qt is missing a dependency then.
[08:07:00] cortezdapimp: hello
[08:09:00] smb3_guy: i wonder for my backend server i should build a server that has a video adapter
[08:09:00] cortezdapimp: hmm i can't get sound out of my pvr150 now
[08:09:00] smb3_guy: do i really nead a video adapter? can't i just connect a vt100 terminal to it's serial port?
[08:09:00] cortezdapimp: i did a system wipe and put R5a16 on
[08:10:00] GreyFoxx: mchou: Nope, none
[08:10:00] cortezdapimp: when i add my options wm8775 mixer=2 i get nothing
[08:10:00] cortezdapimp: when i take it out i get static
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[08:14:00] smb3_guy: bah server cases are so damn expensive
[08:15:00] Krazylegz: smb3_guy: You mean you want to run it headless?
[08:15:00] smb3_guy: Krazylegz: yeah
[08:16:00] smb3_guy: Krazylegz: i want to use an xbox as a frontend
[08:16:00] xris: headless backend works fine
[08:16:00] smb3_guy: how can i do an installation without a video card?
[08:17:00] smb3_guy: or video adapter
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[08:17:00] centos4-1: hi al!!!!!
[08:18:00] centos4-1: can anybody tell me how to compile the unichrome driver for 2.6.9 kernel???
[08:18:00] centos4-1: pls help everyone
[08:19:00] GreyFoxx: yay, bug fixed, now I can sleep
[08:20:00] GreyFoxx: Now if only I could remember who it was that pointed out the segfault in the firstplace
[08:20:00] Krazylegz: smb3_guy: Well, if you setup your network first, then you can do everything via SSH I suppose.
[08:20:00] centos4-1: hello
[08:21:00] centos4-1: can anybody help me with unichrome drivers?
[08:21:00] Krazylegz: Hola.
[08:21:00] centos4-1: can anybody help me with unichrome drivers?
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[08:22:00] centos4-1: can anybody help me with unichrome drivers?
[08:22:00] Krazylegz: Google.
[08:22:00] centos4-1: ive done that.....
[08:22:00] centos4-1: how can i make via_agp as a module in the kernel?
[08:23:00] Krazylegz: Did you compile it as a module?
[08:24:00] centos4-1: one of the instruction is to let via_agp run as a module.............
[08:24:00] centos4-1: i can not modprobe via_agp
[08:24:00] Krazylegz: Why not?
[08:24:00] centos4-1: i can with agpgart
[08:24:00] Da5iD: Is there a way to make mythbackend logging more verbose? When I try to transcode a recording, all it says is failed, but no reason why.
[08:24:00] GreyFoxx: Da5iD: -v all
[08:25:00] centos4-1: it seems it is not loaded as a module upon boot
[08:25:00] Krazylegz: Load it manually.
[08:25:00] Da5iD: GreyFoxx: Thanks
[08:25:00] centos4-1: thats my Q please, how to load manually? i can not load manually
[08:25:00] ** GreyFoxx goes to bed **
[08:25:00] centos4-1: i can not modprobe
[08:26:00] centos4-1: can u tell me the ways to make menuconfig?
[08:26:00] centos4-1: in the kernel
[08:26:00] smb3_guy: Krazylegz: hmm.. yeah
[08:26:00] centos4-1: i mean just the commands..............
[08:26:00] centos4-1: make menuconfig.........
[08:27:00] smb3_guy: i'm going to buy a usb to ps2 adapter to use with xbox linux
[08:27:00] Da5iD: hrm.. it's more verbose with everything else, but I get the same with the transcode error.. just says failed.
[08:27:00] centos4-1: and then whats next?
[08:27:00] centos4-1: how do i save whats changed?
[08:28:00] Krazylegz: There should be a save option...
[08:28:00] centos4-1: ok, thanksanyway
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[08:29:00] Krazylegz: Whew.
[08:29:00] Da5iD: What does the backend execute when transcoding recordings? I might be able to manually step through it and see why it fails.
[08:29:00] Krazylegz: Bedtime.
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[08:34:00] smb3_guy: you guys think an xbox would be a good frontend?
[08:34:00] smb3_guy: for decompressing mpeg2
[08:34:00] Da5iD: smb3_guy: I read somewhere that people were using the xbox for a frontend.
[08:35:00] smb3_guy: Da5iD: that's what i'm going to do
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[08:35:00] smb3_guy: Da5iD: front ends playback the mpeg2 streams on the hard drives with live tv or no?
[08:36:00] GreyFoxx: a frontend "reads" the mpeg2 stream from the backend which reads it from the harddrive
[08:36:00] smb3_guy: ahh, ok
[08:37:00] smb3_guy: wonder how well xbox will decode hdtv :P
[08:37:00] cortezdapimp: anybody use a pvr-150 and knows how to get rid of static?
[08:37:00] cortezdapimp: audio that is
[08:37:00] cortezdapimp: i just installed r5a16 clean and my old trick of options wm8775 mixer=2 gives me no sound at all.
[08:38:00] mchou: cortezdapimp: lol. Weren't you the one who sold a pvr150 some time ago?
[08:38:00] cortezdapimp: no?
[08:38:00] cortezdapimp: i've been struggling with it off and on
[08:38:00] cortezdapimp: but never did that lol
[08:38:00] mchou: ok. Maybe someone else then.
[08:39:00] mchou: there was one guy bitching and moaning how he couldnt get it to work in the early days and sold it :)
[08:39:00] cortezdapimp: also how do i get my console tv-output to display properly and not scroll about the screen quickly
[08:40:00] cortezdapimp: X works fine, just the boot messages etc i cant read
[08:40:00] mchou: lol
[08:40:00] mchou: I dont think anyone ever complained about how fast there computer was :)
[08:40:00] mchou: their*
[08:40:00] cortezdapimp: no thats not what i mean
[08:41:00] cortezdapimp: like its as if the refresh is too high or soemthing
[08:41:00] cortezdapimp: its not that it scrolls up and down
[08:41:00] cortezdapimp: it like tears across the screen diagonally
[08:41:00] cortezdapimp: ooh got it to work
[08:41:00] mchou: what kind of crap card is this?
[08:41:00] cortezdapimp: had to set the alsa mixer
[08:41:00] cortezdapimp: nforce
[08:41:00] cortezdapimp: 2
[08:42:00] cortezdapimp: it worked fine before, in r5a15.1
[08:42:00] cortezdapimp: but i did a clean install and fucked it up somewhere along the line
[08:58:00] mchou: smb3_guy: forget about it. Xbox doesnt have enough juice for hdtv (certainly not 1080i)
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[09:03:00] Da5iD: What would I need to transcode a nuv to something else using ffmpeg?
[09:04:00] Da5iD: When I try it says unknown format.
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[09:32:00] henrik-: Hi People, i had download the MythTV Snapshot, but i can't find a Makefile after Configure, anyone has any hints for me? ;)
[09:34:00] cortezdapimp: Is there a way to convert ext3 partitions to fat32?
[09:34:00] cortezdapimp: apparently the old kernel extention for os x to read ext2/3 partitions doesn't work in tiger :\
[09:40:00] cortezdapimp: convertfs is the answer apparently
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[11:07:00] juski: mornin
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[11:44:00] amorph: hi guys
[11:44:00] amorph: why doesnt xawtv C button for menu work
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[11:58:00] amorph: hi
[11:58:00] amorph: sheesh
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[16:33:00] fun: anyone in a helpful mood?
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[16:33:00] sphing: always :)
[16:34:00] fun: i just installed myth and live tv isnt working... when i select "watch tv" from the myth menu about 2 seconds of tv play, then it pauses, then goes back to the main menu screen
[16:35:00] sphing: nice...
[16:35:00] sphing: open in myth from consolve as mythfronted -v all
[16:35:00] sphing: and see what you get
[16:36:00] sphing: consolve = console
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[16:36:00] fun: alright – i started myth with -v all, same thing happens when i go to "watch tv"
[16:37:00] sphing: right
[16:37:00] fun: look like prebuffer wait timed out?
[16:37:00] fun: does that sound right?
[16:37:00] sphing: now close myth.. and see what the output says
[16:37:00] sphing: www.pastebin.com
[16:40:00] fun: http://pastebin.com/325439
[16:41:00] sphing: do your recording work?
[16:41:00] fun: havent tried... let me test it now
[16:42:00] fun: if i set myth to record a show already in progress will it start right away?
[16:43:00] sphing: yes
[16:44:00] fun: ok – i set it to record a currently playing program... how can i check to be sure its working?
[16:45:00] sphing: check out your recordings... if its live... it will be red
[16:46:00] fun: its in upcoming recordings, not red though
[16:48:00] fun: on the program guide it shows as recording
[16:48:00] sphing: pl
[16:48:00] sphing: *ok... you can just stop it
[16:48:00] sphing: and see what happend
[16:49:00] fun: ill put the output on pastebin again...
[16:50:00] fun: http://pastebin.com/325445
[16:51:00] sphing: did it playback?
[16:54:00] fun: yes – no problems
[16:54:00] fun: well, i should say ive passed the 2 second mark
[16:55:00] fun: and it actually recored a channel other than the one i had set
[16:55:00] sphing: lol
[16:55:00] sphing: thats a problem
[16:56:00] sphing: are you're channels setup correctly?
[16:56:00] fun: yea, rather not deal withthat one till i get the live tv fixed
[16:56:00] fun: yea – while searching for answers to some other question i read about this wrong channel problem
[16:57:00] sphing: hmm... whats the backend say when you try to watch live tv
[16:57:00] fun: ive got the backend set up to run automatically on login – does it save the output to a file?
[16:58:00] sphing: no
[16:58:00] sphing: close out the backend
[16:58:00] sphing: and again.. with -v all
[16:58:00] fun: how do i go about stopping the backend?
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[16:59:00] sphing: well you could stop it from starting on boot.. and reboot... or just kill it (dont know how safe this is, but its what i do)
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[17:00:00] Cromz: blah.. open a shell and su to root. then type 'killall mythbackend'
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[17:01:00] juski: afternoon
[17:01:00] fun: haha – its working fine now
[17:01:00] juski: I see mythweather is still playing up
[17:02:00] fun: thats annoying
[17:03:00] juski: tomorrow's forecast is saying 'tuesday' – the data is still from July 25th
[17:04:00] Cromz: I had mythbackend running at startup. but it gave me problems. so I just start it when I reboot. course my myth box is also my main desktop for now. I need to get a couple of 250 sata drive and move the basckend off this machine.
[17:06:00] fun: mythbackend starts on login, but i lose my video devices on reboot and i have to set them up again. could restarting mythbackend after resetting my video devices be what fixed the problem?
[17:06:00] ** juski goes to dig into the mythweather code **
[17:06:00] Cromz: it could. yes.
[17:07:00] Cromz: if mythbackend can't talk to the video devices then that's a problem but doesn't ivtv or hmm the other one setup the video devices?
[17:07:00] fun: by resetting my video devices i mean loading the ivtv driver: "# /sbin/depmod -a
[17:07:00] fun: # /sbin/modprobe ivtv
[17:07:00] juski: that might be down to mythbackend starting too soon – i.e. before the video devices have started
[17:07:00] sphing: fun: how are you having the backedn start automatically?
[17:07:00] fun: yes
[17:09:00] fun: i suppose i should turn that off though
[17:10:00] Cromz: fun: pastebin the modprobe.conf part for your ivtv driver. and what pvr card you got? just curious.
[17:10:00] fun: 2 pvr-500
[17:10:00] Cromz: oh. :) hmm
[17:10:00] fun: yea... not the easiest to work with...
[17:11:00] Cromz: yeah. out of my leauge.. I only have a pvr-350 running in this althon64 with fc3 ;)
[17:11:00] fun: http://pastebin.com/325455
[17:12:00] fun: ive got athlon64 on fc3 too
[17:13:00] fun: unrelated question: i need to buy a 4 way cable splitter but noticed they all have frequency ratings on them – higher is more expensive – what should i pick up for analog cable?
[17:13:00] Cromz: where you doing the depmod -a and the modprobe of the ivtv.
[17:14:00] Cromz: on bootup that is.
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[17:15:00] fun: ive been typing it in myself after startup
[17:15:00] fun: didnt realize you had to do it every reboot – where should i do it?
[17:16:00] Cromz: you can put those two lines in hmm rc.local and add the mythbackend -d there too. should work I think.. I mean to start the backend.
[17:17:00] juski: but put the mythbackend -d AFTER the modprobe :-)
[17:17:00] fun: and then do "# /sbin/chkconfig mythbackend off"?
[17:17:00] fun: i mean – i can just do that once right now
[17:18:00] fun: and add those other lines to rc.local?
[17:19:00] Cromz: yeah
[17:19:00] fun: where is rc.local?
[17:19:00] Cromz: add the two ivtv lines first then add mythbackend -d.
[17:19:00] Cromz: # /etc/rc.d/
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[17:21:00] fun: alright – thanks alot
[17:22:00] fun: ive also noticed it takes a while to change channels
[17:22:00] fun: is this a myth thing or do i have something set up wrong?
[17:23:00] Cromz: it does take alittle longer then if you did it on your tv. cause when your watching live tv.. your not really watching live. your watching the ringbuf recording. ;)
[17:24:00] fun: is 4 seconds normal? or does it vary depending on hardware?
[17:24:00] fun: i guess ill just get used to using the guide instead of channel surfing...
[17:25:00] Cromz: sounds about right.
[17:25:00] Cromz: lol
[17:26:00] fun: what sort of cable splitter do i need for analog cable?
[17:26:00] fun: do higher frequencies produce less noise?
[17:27:00] Cromz: higher frequencies are for digital cable / hd cable the higher the better tho.. ;)
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[17:30:00] fun: guess its time for a radio shack run – thanks for all the help
[17:30:00] fun: i fear ill be back here before the days out...
[17:30:00] Cromz: lol
[17:31:00] Cromz: I might be here.. might be playign city of heroes :>
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[17:36:00] charlesv: morning
[17:38:00] charlesv: building my first mythtv box, ideally using knoppmyth, hoping to build a combination front/backend to do HDTV (using 2 Air2PC cards), and had some questions about hardware
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[17:39:00] charlesv: From what I can glean, my best bet for price/performance right now is a sempron 3000+, so I'm looking for a socket 754 motherboard. It looks like lots of those are based on the k8t800 chipsets which seem to have all sorts of problems. does anyone have a suggestion for a low-end socket 754 (w/ AGP, I'm using a Geforce 5400 for hardware mpeg-2 to my HD Set) motherboard?
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[17:39:00] juski: you might be okay with a sempron for HDtv playback
[17:40:00] juski: recording-wise you don't need much CPU grunt
[17:40:00] charlesv: well, the geforce should help with the playback, ne?
[17:40:00] juski: it'll HELP yeah
[17:40:00] charlesv: hee
[17:40:00] charlesv: it's been years since I've built a linux box, ATI mach64s were cutting edge
[17:41:00] juski: it won't relieve the load completely though
[17:41:00] charlesv: right
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[17:43:00] charlesv: what would you suggest then, assuming price IS an object :P
[17:44:00] Cromz: wonder if my liquid cooler will come in today.. :>
[17:44:00] juski: some folks have issues with 3Ghz pentuim 4 cpus and hdtv
[17:44:00] juski: you could give it a try I guess
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[17:45:00] juski: ultimately I suppose it depends on what resolution the HD is
[17:45:00] charlesv: yeah... I'm buying hardware so I'd hate to buy it and have it not work
[17:46:00] juski: oh it'll work
[17:47:00] juski: just a matter of how well it'll work
[17:47:00] charlesv: ha
[17:47:00] charlesv: my wife is going to be using this as well
[17:47:00] charlesv: i don't know how forgiving SHE is
[17:47:00] juski: ahh the WAF
[17:47:00] charlesv: hee
[17:47:00] Xoritor: charlesv, my wife LOVES myth
[17:47:00] juski: the first cough of the system & all hell will break loose
[17:47:00] Xoritor: she likes it MUCH more than time warner cable
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[17:48:00] charlesv: well, getting OTA HD has problems of it's own she's been able to deal with
[17:48:00] Cromz: ;) my wife loves myth also. the main reason I was able to beef up this system lol
[17:48:00] GreyFoxx: Mine loves it, we've been using it so long that she can't stand to watch TV at someone elses house since she doesn't have the same control at our finger tips :)
[17:49:00] Xoritor: right
[17:49:00] juski: mrs juski loves myth too
[17:49:00] Xoritor: and being able to watch anything she records on any tv spoils them too
[17:49:00] Xoritor: ;-)
[17:49:00] juski: she even knows how to use it
[17:49:00] GreyFoxx: but like me she doesn't like the themes we can find out there. but she sloves project mayhem 3 so I started a theme based on it
[17:50:00] juski: GreyFoxx... that would be COOOOOL
[17:50:00] Xoritor: GreyFoxx, cool! i would love to see that
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[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: of course still waiting for permission to use the backgrounds . until they give permission it's for our use only :)
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: I've got a couple screenshots up
[17:50:00] Xoritor: im just about to convert from using nfs to gfs over the cluster so it will be even faster
[17:50:00] Cromz: my wife loves the ablity to back the show up to see what the hell was that factor. lol
[17:50:00] Xoritor: GreyFoxx, url?
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/theme/
[17:51:00] juski: how did you get the backgrounds, GreyFoxx, last time I looked they were all compressed together into the main program image
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: juski, xpr's are kinda like a tarball, they can be extracted
[17:51:00] Xoritor: thats pretty sweet
[17:51:00] juski: ahhh
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: plus there were several not within the xpr files which are what I've started with
[17:52:00] juski: oh yeah I like that theme
[17:52:00] juski: that's gotta be THE BEST so far
[17:52:00] Cromz: lol gotta love the last pic forth dir down :O
[17:52:00] juski: :-)
[17:52:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/theme/mythvideosnap2.jpg is my favourit
[17:52:00] ** juski stops raving **
[17:52:00] GreyFoxx: Cromz: Heh
[17:52:00] Xoritor: hahahaha
[17:52:00] Fat_Matt: I've never managed to get mythgame to work, I discovered a bunch of roms on an old hdd last week though so maybe I'll try again
[17:52:00] ** Xoritor didnt even see that **
[17:52:00] GreyFoxx: I'm not ashamed to say I like Pron :)
[17:52:00] Cromz: we all do..
[17:52:00] Cromz: :)
[17:52:00] juski: everybody does
[17:52:00] Xoritor: nothing to be ashamed of
[17:53:00] juski: apart from Hillary Clinton
[17:53:00] Xoritor: im not much into it... rather make it ;-)
[17:53:00] laga: hehe
[17:53:00] juski: mrs 'no hot coffee for me thanks'
[17:53:00] GreyFoxx: Fat_Matt: It's undergoing a big overhaul in svn, so it;s very different from the last release version
[17:53:00] Cromz: mine is off the root dir under /Data/Adult lol
[17:53:00] Xoritor: LOL
[17:53:00] GreyFoxx: I've giot a couple screenshots of the new version, but they are a little dated
[17:53:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythgame/
[17:53:00] Xoritor: they should add it to the FHS /pr0n
[17:54:00] laga: Xoritor: no. /usr/share7pr0n ;)
[17:54:00] Xoritor: LOL
[17:54:00] Xoritor: roflmao
[17:54:00] Xoritor: thats freakin good
[17:54:00] Xoritor: i almost really fell out of my chair
[17:54:00] Xoritor: the dog started barking too!
[17:55:00] Xoritor: hahahah
[17:55:00] ** Xoritor is in great humor today **
[17:55:00] laga: pron is serious business....
[17:55:00] laga: ;)
[17:55:00] Cromz: a new module for myth. mythpr0n, point it to your dir and have a quick switch screen incase yoru kid comes in.. LOL
[17:55:00] juski: lol
[17:55:00] Xoritor: i had a student this week that does tech support for a large OEM
[17:56:00] Xoritor: he was telling me he gets calls for SAN stuff from porn sites a lot
[17:56:00] Xoritor: Cromz, lol... but not a bad darn idea
[17:56:00] juski: FYI I sorted out the problem with mythweather – turned out the setting had been changed from 'agressive' and it was no longer grabbing extended forecasts
[17:57:00] Xoritor: my problem is trying to shuffel around 100s of GB of data so i can move drives around and make them gfs instead of ext3
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[17:58:00] Cromz: lol I work for a data recovery company.. we've done data recoveries for a few pr0n sites.. the best was this other dr guy recovered one from a gay site.. and was asked to test some files LOL we still rag on him about that one..
[17:58:00] Xoritor: hahahahaha
[17:58:00] Xoritor: i could only imagine
[17:58:00] juski: hey Cromz... are you authorised to give people the skinny on which drive manufacturer REALLY fails the most?
[17:59:00] Cromz: juski hmm nope.. lol
[17:59:00] juski: (all things being equal)
[17:59:00] juski: ahh damn
[17:59:00] Xoritor: i think i am going to have to wipe out my dvd rips... and re-rip them all
[17:59:00] juski: I'll just keep on assuming it's WD then
[17:59:00] Xoritor: :-(
[17:59:00] juski: ;-)
[17:59:00] juski: Xoritor.. why?
[17:59:00] Xoritor: cause i dont have enough space to move them anywhere else
[17:59:00] juski: ouch
[18:00:00] juski: I have 300GB free here, but only 2Mb connection
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[18:00:00] Cromz: juski: present day drives.. they all fail.. I use 6 by 200 gig sata wd's in my raid 5 here..
[18:00:00] Xoritor: juski, these are all dvd's i own
[18:00:00] juski: I know..
[18:00:00] Xoritor: so its not like they are not recoverable
[18:01:00] ** juski needs to rip all his dvds **
[18:01:00] Xoritor: and once the gfs is up and running it will be MUCH faster
[18:01:00] juski: yeah Xoritor but I was thinking of the time it takes to rip em
[18:01:00] Xoritor: aaah yes
[18:01:00] Cromz: lol I don't have the space to rip the 300 I got :/
[18:01:00] Xoritor: but even the wife can do that thanks to mythdvd
[18:01:00] Xoritor: ;-)
[18:01:00] svmaris: I don't want mythmusic to read my id3-tags .. and I'm trying to find the right 'filename format' for my mp3-collection (I have <genre>/<artist>/<album>/<tracknumber> – <trackartist> – <songname>.mp3 . I tried a lot of variations, but the 'title' always becomes the full path to the file. Can anybody help me?
[18:01:00] Xoritor: Cromz, they just released some 500GB drives!
[18:01:00] Fat_Matt: whats a gfs?
[18:02:00] Xoritor: Fat_Matt, global file system
[18:02:00] Xoritor: for my cluster
[18:02:00] juski: only hitachi have the 500GB for now
[18:02:00] Cromz: ooooooooo lemme think.. 500 gig times 5.. 2.5 terrabyte mmmmmm I could go for that..
[18:02:00] juski: Maxtor go live next month I think
[18:02:00] Xoritor: hehe
[18:03:00] Xoritor: has anyone run mythtv in Xen?
[18:03:00] juski: 5 platters of 100GB
[18:03:00] juski: and then next year we'll have vertical recording HDDs :-P (like WHOAH HOW BIG)
[18:04:00] opello: or just cheaper 500gb drives
[18:04:00] Xoritor: heh
[18:04:00] Xoritor: and smaller
[18:04:00] Xoritor: 500GB laptop drives
[18:04:00] Xoritor: ;-)
[18:04:00] opello: heh, when everyone "gets vertical"
[18:04:00] juski: 2TB 3.5inch HDDs.. mmmm
[18:04:00] Xoritor: but its more fun to "get horizontal" (just ask the pr0n industry)
[18:05:00] opello: lol
[18:05:00] Cromz: lol
[18:05:00] juski: or use a bodybouncer (www.bodybouncer.com)
[18:05:00] Cromz: I dunno.. I've seen alot of pr0n where they doing it vertically.. :O
[18:06:00] Xoritor: hahahaha
[18:06:00] Cromz: but the best flick I've seen has to be 'Lord of the G-Strings' my wife bought it cause ti was a parody.. and she actually liked it ahahahha
[18:06:00] Xoritor: LOL
[18:06:00] juski: it's 'whore of the worlds' I wanna see
[18:06:00] Cromz: LOL
[18:06:00] Xoritor: LOL
[18:07:00] Xoritor: you guys are killin me here
[18:07:00] Ashlar_: Buttman and Rubbin
[18:07:00] juski: ROFL
[18:07:00] Ashlar_: Message in a Butthole..
[18:07:00] Xoritor: LOL
[18:07:00] Xoritor: aaaaaaargh
[18:07:00] Xoritor: it hurts
[18:07:00] laga: rotfl
[18:07:00] Xoritor: it hurts
[18:08:00] charlesv: so what IS required for hdtv playback? assuming there's mpeg-2 acceleration on the card (Geforce 5400MX)
[18:08:00] juski: Eternal Sunshine Of the Spotless minge
[18:09:00] charlesv: i'm a fan of edward penishands myself
[18:09:00] Cromz: I see the pr0n radar is working woke up alot of people in here..
[18:09:00] Cromz: lol
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[18:10:00] Cromz: OMG! http://members.shaw.ca/stayasyouare/tohwpmt.html
[18:12:00] juski: eew
[18:12:00] charlesv: whoah
[18:12:00] charlesv: the promo video for the bodybouncer is awesome
[18:13:00] juski: so that's the wife's xmas pressie sorted then ;-)
[18:16:00] Xoritor: LOL
[18:16:00] Cromz: lol
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[18:26:00] charlesv: so is XvMC worth using for HDTV? I'm reading that it's buggy?
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[18:31:00] juski: XvMC works okay for SDTV doesn't it?
[18:32:00] charlesv: Donno. I was going to be doing all OTA ATSC recording
[18:32:00] Esotericisms: damnit, I just had my memory go bad in my myth box :(
[18:33:00] ** GreyFoxx is decomissioning his desktop machine. This machine hsa seen better days **
[18:33:00] charlesv: and juski, it looks like (At least according to here http://changelog.complete.org/node/315) that with XvMC youc an get away with apparently under a 3000+ athlon for HD playback
[18:34:00] charlesv: less than 20% on a 3000+, so it seems like a sempron 3000+ w/ XvMC should do the trick
[18:34:00] juski: charlesv.. cool
[18:34:00] charlesv: so now to decide on the motherboard :)
[18:38:00] charlesv: anyone have experience with a K8T800 based board?
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[18:47:00] laga: Then I got to thinking, hmmm, obviously Microsoft is trying to be
[18:47:00] laga: smarter than they should be here; They believe they can deduce from
[18:47:00] laga: the URL what the file type is going to be, even though they shouldn't
[18:47:00] laga: be doing that yet. And then, at the Mary Chung Restaurant over
[18:47:00] laga: huh?
[18:48:00] laga: umm, sorry
[18:49:00] Esotericisms: anybody know anything about memory?
[18:49:00] travolta: how do i tell mythfilldatabase to grab all data, even data i already have. --help info is not clear to me
[18:49:00] laga: just ask your question ;)
[18:49:00] Esotericisms: what is better, Registered/ECC or Unbuffered/NON-ECC
[18:50:00] travolta: Esotericisms, depends on what pc you are putting them in
[18:50:00] travolta: server? desktop?
[18:51:00] Esotericisms: my myth box
[18:51:00] Esotericisms: my 256 stick died
[18:51:00] Esotericisms: over 100,000 errors on it :/
[18:51:00] travolta: and depends if you want to pay the price difference
[18:51:00] Esotericisms: what is the main difference between the two?
[18:51:00] Esotericisms: besides price?
[18:52:00] travolta: what is the price difference?
[18:52:00] travolta: if you dont know the differnece, i would recommend non-ecc
[18:52:00] travolta: cheaper
[18:53:00] Esotericisms: k, I wonder what makes memory go bad :/
[18:53:00] travolta: bad to begin with?
[18:53:00] Esotericisms: I don't think do
[18:53:00] Esotericisms: so
[18:53:00] Esotericisms: I have been using this stick of ram for a very long time
[18:53:00] Esotericisms: can't even remember when I bought it
[18:54:00] Esotericisms: has to be a year or better
[18:54:00] travolta: i've never had any personal experience with ram going bad
[18:54:00] travolta: run memtest on the new ram you get first
[18:55:00] Esotericisms: I am going to ... my kernel paniced and then I restarted, got all sorts of errors, then I ran memtest and found over 100,000 errors on the damn stick
[18:56:00] pirre: ouch
[18:56:00] travolta: have you run memtest on your bad ram when you first got it?
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[18:57:00] Esotericisms: don't think so, but if it was bad to begin with then the kernel would have paniced in the first place
[18:59:00] travolta: i only hear of people running memtest on new ram, not over the life time of the ram
[19:00:00] juski: ESD can damage things like RAM and it might not show for a long time (or ever)
[19:01:00] fun: could anyone help me out getting my vfd to work?
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[19:16:00] juski: fun: not had any experience using vfds
[19:16:00] juski: (sorry)
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[19:19:00] fun: juski: no problem – ive been searching for a while – i think i need to get lcdproc, still reading though
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[19:20:00] juski: I've read you'd need lcdproc
[19:20:00] wannativo: Alright, I will break mythtv's will this day.
[19:20:00] juski: don't see the point of VFDs on PCs myself
[19:20:00] juski: wassup, wannativo?
[19:21:00] wannativo: I finally got ubuntu and a fixed (I hope) glibc installed, but the debs didn't Just Work, so I gave up.
[19:21:00] wannativo: But now I'm rested and eager.
[19:21:00] wannativo: and a bit vengeful
[19:21:00] juski: that's the spirit :)
[19:22:00] charlesv: i think i will space out these hardware purchases for my myth box
[19:22:00] charlesv: as to not raise the suspicion of the wife
[19:22:00] juski: I was all for giving up when I was tring to compile my own kernel
[19:22:00] juski: charlesv – is there really any point in doing that? they always find out
[19:23:00] charlesv: hee
[19:23:00] charlesv: well, more to space it out so it doesnt hit us as hard
[19:23:00] charlesv: she knows what i'm doing :P
[19:23:00] wannativo: Well, I've been using all the components of a working mythtv box forever, but I lack the patience I once had to do mind-numing busywork.
[19:23:00] charlesv: we had a replaytv, but it doesnt work with HD, and you cant use it as a dumb vcr w/o paying 12 bucks a month
[19:23:00] wannativo: s/num/numb/
[19:23:00] charlesv: i just realized i ordered a r0.2 air2pc though
[19:23:00] charlesv: :/
[19:23:00] wannativo: r0.2 is bad?
[19:24:00] charlesv: i think it's an older revision that doesn't do multipath as well
[19:24:00] charlesv: i have no idea what generation tuner my stb has though
[19:24:00] juski: wannativo – why not just (cough) use knoppmyth?
[19:24:00] juski: lol
[19:25:00] juski: here's a thing: has anyone here tried the new gui demo? I tried to use it but it wouldn't run
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: I've looked at it a time or two
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: will be nifty once all of that is available in the main app
[19:26:00] wannativo: G-d damn you straight to hell, ubuntu.
[19:26:00] wannativo: Now the retard tells me fsck is too old.
[19:27:00] xris: juski: ran mfd, and then mythfrontend with the mfe option?
[19:27:00] pirre: wannativo: apt-get update ; apt-get upgradE ?
[19:28:00] juski: xris: nope... what was that all about?
[19:28:00] xris: oh, you were talking about JUST the demo
[19:29:00] juski: yeah I wouldn't mind seeing it
[19:29:00] xris: I think maybe you still need to install/run mfd
[19:29:00] juski: okees
[19:29:00] xris: maybe Chutt will explain if he shows up.. or search the dev list archives in case info is there.
[19:29:00] wannativo: omfg, no keyboard driver, so I can't fix it
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[19:30:00] juski: last time I looked in the archives for that was ages ago
[19:30:00] juski: I'll have another look
[19:30:00] GreyFoxx: wanna: Now that would be annoying :)
[19:31:00] juski: gonna try it on a spare box – I'm good at screwing stuff up so I don't wanna bork my working backend
[19:38:00] Fat_Matt: I got an extra 200gb hard drive for my backend last week, frontend (on the same machine) seems to be locking up more often
[19:39:00] Fat_Matt: Its set up as a master with a dvdrom slaved on that ide channel as well, would that cause problems?
[19:39:00] charlesv: is there a list of cards that support XvMC somewhere?
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[19:40:00] fun: i know its not a myth question – but when i plug in my new sata drive the filesystem check fails and i cant boot – this on on fc3.. anyone have any suggestions?
[19:40:00] Chutt: don't need mfd for the ui test app
[19:40:00] juski: Chutt: thanks
[19:41:00] juski: charlesv – you should be fine with a recent nvidia card I think
[19:41:00] charlesv: ko
[19:41:00] Chutt: what didn't work with it?
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[19:42:00] mchou: charlesv: any nvidia card >=MX400, iirc
[19:42:00] charlesv: ok cool
[19:42:00] mchou: charlesv: how much is in your budget, and AGP or PCIe?
[19:42:00] charlesv: AGP
[19:42:00] charlesv: mchou i was hoping to come out under 500 for the whole bit
[19:43:00] mchou: charlesv: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133143
[19:43:00] juski: Chutt: it moaned that it couldn't find theme files among other things
[19:43:00] mchou: take a serious look at that one :)
[19:43:00] juski: I think I didn't configure it properly before compiling
[19:44:00] charlesv: cool, mchou
[19:44:00] charlesv: i ordered a 5200 off ebay for like 40 bucks yesterday
[19:44:00] mchou: charlesv: that's cool too.
[19:44:00] Chutt: juski, oh, you have to have your theme set to gant, have mythfrontend installed/configured/etc
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[19:45:00] charlesv: so how does this system sound for hdtv front/back: Gigabyte Fanless Geforce FX 5200, Air2PC r0.2 for ATSC, Asus K8V-X (K8T800 based board), Sempron 3000+, pqi 512mb unbuffered, all in an Antec Sonata case
[19:45:00] juski: Chutt: Ahhhhh!
[19:45:00] charlesv: w/ a 320GB SATA drive in there
[19:45:00] mchou: hey Chutt, I know you don't use XVMC, but do you know if the OSD stuttering issue has been fixed since .18?
[19:45:00] Chutt: it's not a complete standalone app
[19:45:00] Chutt: mchou, no idea
[19:46:00] juski: so I'd have to compile the whole mythtv package from CVS, not just UItest then, Chutt
[19:46:00] Chutt: right
[19:46:00] charlesv: also mchou i'm doing all ATSC, so the extra tuner there doesn't do a lot for me
[19:46:00] charlesv: and the 5200 is fanless, so even quieter
[19:46:00] mchou: charlesv: the tuner is irrelevant on the card :)
[19:47:00] mchou: no linux drivers.
[19:47:00] charlesv: ah, heh
[19:47:00] mchou: the good thing about that link are the outputs: DVI, Component, svideo, composite. :)
[19:47:00] charlesv: nice
[19:47:00] mchou: plus the remote thrown in.
[19:47:00] charlesv: i'm going to be doing DVI out on the 5200 w/ a DVI->HDMI cable
[19:48:00] mchou: and a 128MB thumb drive :)
[19:48:00] charlesv: my wife dropped my 512mb thumb drive down the elevator shaft last week
[19:48:00] charlesv: along with the car keys / remote :(
[19:48:00] mchou: charlesv: I'm surprised your rig is coming in less than $500 :)
[19:49:00] mchou: doh!
[19:49:00] mchou: charlesv: that's one expensive wife :)
[19:49:00] charlesv: hehe
[19:49:00] charlesv: we have spares
[19:49:00] mchou: spare wives?
[19:49:00] mchou: :)
[19:50:00] mchou: charlesv: how much is a sonata case going for these days?
[19:50:00] Chutt: 100
[19:50:00] Chutt: for a sonata-2
[19:50:00] mchou: yeah, that's what I figured.
[19:51:00] charlesv: 89 for a sonata 1
[19:51:00] mchou: Chutt: the diff betw. sonata I and II is really just the PSU, no?
[19:51:00] Chutt: 2's quieter as well
[19:52:00] Chutt: i considered one for my new machine
[19:52:00] mchou: so what made you decide against it?
[19:52:00] Chutt: the p180's much nicer
[19:52:00] mchou: aside from the "nice" factor of P180 :)
[19:53:00] mchou: I think I can get P180 locally for 140.
[19:53:00] charlesv: Newegg: Antec Sonta – 89, ASUS K8V-X – 44, 512MB Ram – 40.25, Sempron 3000+ – 89,
[19:53:00] charlesv: Ebay: Air2PC – 49, Geforce FX 5200: 29, DVI->HDMI – 10
[19:53:00] charlesv: + shipping on all that (including ebay gouging), it comes out to right around 400, 425
[19:54:00] mchou: hmm, not bad.
[19:54:00] charlesv: oh wait
[19:54:00] charlesv: + the HD, it's right at 500 :)
[19:54:00] charlesv: forgot i ordered that a bit ago
[19:54:00] mchou: 512MB Ram should cost less than 40 thses days.
[19:55:00] charlesv: i was getting it from newegg to save on shipping
[19:55:00] mchou: more like around $30
[19:55:00] mchou: if not less.
[19:55:00] charlesv: and getting one w/ warranty
[19:55:00] charlesv: i wish there was a place like discount electronics out here in SF
[19:55:00] charlesv: it's as cheap as pricewatch, but b/m so no shipping
[19:55:00] charlesv: (DE is in austin)
[19:55:00] mchou: I'm talking about ones with lifetime warranties, not the junk stuff.
[19:56:00] charlesv: yeh
[19:56:00] mchou: charlesv: visit your local Fry's :)
[19:56:00] charlesv: lowest i see on pricewatch for pc3200 is 40
[19:56:00] charlesv: mchou: i can't stand that place
[19:56:00] charlesv: and i've never found the deals to be that enticing
[19:56:00] mchou: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/RopAds.as . . . p;ad=1887620
[19:57:00] charlesv: i feel like i'm in a casino in there
[19:57:00] mchou: that's DDR2.
[19:57:00] charlesv: pumpin in oxygen, no clocks, trapping you in
[19:57:00] mchou: DDR 1 should be much cheaper.
[19:57:00] mchou: lol.
[19:57:00] mchou: you dont have to go there.
[19:57:00] mchou: get it from outpost.com :)
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[19:59:00] charlesv: hmm, they've got a sempron 3000+ and mobo for 89.99
[19:59:00] mchou: charlesv: who?
[19:59:00] charlesv: fry's
[19:59:00] mchou: it's 754. Good enough deal if that's OK with you.
[19:59:00] charlesv: yeah that's what i was plannign on getting
[20:00:00] charlesv: i can't find it in the print ad, am trying to figure out whqt mobo it is
[20:00:00] mchou: ECS
[20:00:00] charlesv: what page?
[20:00:00] mchou: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/RopAds.as . . . p;ad=1887620
[20:00:00] mchou: different deal but same mobo
[20:01:00] charlesv: hmmm
[20:01:00] charlesv: maybe i'll head down to fry's later
[20:01:00] mchou: or it could also be the ECS SIS version.
[20:01:00] mchou: haha!
[20:01:00] charlesv: i still can't find it (the link just takes me to the main ad)
[20:01:00] charlesv: how's the support on that mobo for onboard sound?
[20:01:00] charlesv: and is it SATA / AGP, cause those parts are already bought
[20:02:00] mchou: then click on the mobo combo.
[20:02:00] mchou: should pop up the ad by itself.
[20:02:00] mchou: like a closeup.
[20:03:00] mchou: ECS 755-A2 Mobo :)
[20:07:00] mchou: POS case.
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[20:21:00] charlesv: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/p2_images . . . 8991.gif.gif
[20:22:00] charlesv: though i read bad things about that board
[20:22:00] charlesv: "
[20:22:00] charlesv: Do yourself a favor and stay away from KT600 based boards (at least for now). I had an ECS KT600-A board and KnoppMyth hung during boot. "
[20:22:00] charlesv: though that wasw posted a year ago
[20:23:00] mchou: lol. That's the wrong board. That's a socket A board
[20:23:00] mchou: or whatever. definitely not 754
[20:24:00] charlesv: i also feel like fry's is run by idiots
[20:25:00] mchou: they are head and shoulders above best buy. Idiotic crooks over there.
[20:26:00] mchou: and frys has the most liberal return policy.
[20:26:00] charlesv: yeah
[20:27:00] mchou: that mobo is more than good enough.
[20:28:00] mchou: it;s only missing firewire.
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[20:29:00] mchou: the kinks (if any) have long been worked out of that board.
[20:29:00] charlesv: hmmm
[20:30:00] charlesv: 40min to fry's :(
[20:30:00] mchou: ecs is not a tier 1 (or even 2) manufacturer, but quality is solid if you get one that works :)
[20:31:00] charlesv: but mchou you say i can use the fry's specials at outpost?
[20:31:00] mchou: in theory.
[20:31:00] mchou: not always.
[20:31:00] mchou: only if you can find the same SKU/deal # at outpost.
[20:52:00] charlesv: man
[20:52:00] charlesv: i am tempted to buy like 4 more air2pc cards
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[21:03:00] TheAsp: charlesv: good, then you can give 2 to me
[21:04:00] charlesv: hee
[21:04:00] charlesv: there's an auction on ebay right now selling them for 49 bucks
[21:04:00] charlesv: and last i checked they had like 20 of them
[21:04:00] charlesv: they're r0.2 which doesnt handle multipath as well, but if you've got decent antenna placement shouldnt be an issue
[21:05:00] TheAsp: i'm gonna wait until there is a real standard for getting stuff over cable
[21:08:00] juski: good grief! HOW fast is mythmusic at ripping? jees
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[21:10:00] TheAsp: mythmusic sucks donkey balls.
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[21:32:00] xris: so warm.....
[21:32:00] laga: not here, it's 9pm ;)
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[21:34:00] charlesv: not here, it's san francisco
[21:35:00] xris: SF doesn't get warm? could have fooled me last time I was there.
[21:35:00] charlesv: well i've only been here a month
[21:35:00] charlesv: but fromw hat i'm told it rarely gets above 80
[21:35:00] xris: weather report says it's only 72 here... but I guess the physical labor makes it a little worse.
[21:36:00] charlesv: also i'm from texas, anthing is cool by comparison
[21:36:00] xris: charlesv: does texas get muggy? 80–90 with 80–90% humidity is FAR worse than 110+ dry heat.
[21:36:00] xris: (not that it's ever like that in seattle)
[21:37:00] pwb: good day fellow mythtv users
[21:37:00] charlesv: try 110+ with 90% humidity
[21:37:00] pwb: i swung in to ask a question to those who capture with hd3000 over QAM
[21:37:00] xris: charlesv: that sucks.
[21:38:00] charlesv: yup!
[21:38:00] charlesv: see: why i moved to SF
[21:38:00] xris: then yes, SF will feel nice and cool for you.
[21:38:00] pwb: anyone here doing that?
[21:38:00] xris: (I grew up in the mojave desert, near death valley, but it's completely dry there — and it's been years since I've lived anywhere that hot)
[21:38:00] xris: pwb: not me.
[21:39:00] xris: didn't know there were any cable providers left that had unencrypted QAM
[21:39:00] Delgul: I have a very high load after changing a channel with Mythtv (around 3) CPU stays around 20–30% then after about a minute or so it goes back to 0.6 or so...sound familiar to anyone?
[21:39:00] pwb: xris: ok, i don't know yet either
[21:40:00] pwb: maybe that is my problem...
[21:40:00] charlesv: i think they're required to have the broadcast stations in the clear
[21:40:00] charlesv: but you should call your provider and ask
[21:40:00] charlesv: someone in customer support should know
[21:40:00] xris: pwb: I think that most people with digital cable these days are using firewire
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[21:40:00] xris: charlesv: supposedly true, but I hear that many/most of them don't
[21:41:00] pwb: even if they were encrypted, should azap still show FE_LOCK
[21:41:00] xris: no clue
[21:41:00] pwb: i have been al over the web following lots of instructions,
[21:41:00] pwb: building from source, patching, unpatching
[21:42:00] pwb: so i popped in here to ask
[21:44:00] xris: no clue. I had very little trouble getting my air2pc to work.. but that's OTA not QAM
[21:44:00] charlesv: xris what revision do you have
[21:44:00] charlesv: i've got a r0.2 coming soon
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[21:45:00] xris: charlesv: one of the early ones... jarod wilson gave it to me since he doesn't need it anymore.. I think he got it right after they started getting popular
[21:46:00] laga: are the nvidia drivers version 7667 ok, or did they break them again?
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[21:49:00] charlesv: so one of the 45 dollar ones?
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[21:50:00] charlesv: i still need the cpu/mobo/case/ram/psu, but i'm planning on using at least one air2pc
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[22:12:00] sexcopter8000m: hi there. i'm using ubuntu and i want to use a hauppauge wintv usb card, is mythtv the right software for the job?
[22:12:00] sexcopter8000m: reading around it, it talks of servers and various other things that sound a bit above what i want
[22:13:00] laga: well. what do you want?
[22:13:00] sexcopter8000m: to watch tele and perhaps also to record if poss
[22:13:00] sexcopter8000m: i'm a single user
[22:14:00] TheAsp: sexcopter8000m: it does that too, but you wont be using it for that
[22:14:00] laga: well, mythtv is a complete PVR solution
[22:14:00] TheAsp: no matter what you think now
[22:14:00] sexcopter8000m: pvr?
[22:14:00] laga: personal video recorder
[22:14:00] sexcopter8000m: ok
[22:14:00] sexcopter8000m: so what do you recommend i do?
[22:14:00] sexcopter8000m: go ahead with mythtv?
[22:15:00] TheAsp: install it
[22:15:00] laga: it can be a lot of work, but i think it's great.
[22:15:00] sexcopter8000m: because i already have, and come to grief, hence my being here ;s
[22:15:00] laga: hehehe
[22:15:00] sexcopter8000m: it said to log in as mythtv and run mythtv-setup, and i can't seem to log in as mythtv
[22:15:00] TheAsp: how did you install it?
[22:15:00] sexcopter8000m: through synaptic (apt-get)
[22:16:00] TheAsp: ubuntu?
[22:16:00] sexcopter8000m: yep
[22:16:00] TheAsp: sudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup
[22:16:00] sexcopter8000m: what does the -u mean?
[22:16:00] TheAsp: user
[22:16:00] sexcopter8000m: ok
[22:17:00] sexcopter8000m: teeny bit of spam, brace yourselves
[22:17:00] sexcopter8000m: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[22:17:00] sexcopter8000m: Xlib: No protocol specified
[22:17:00] sexcopter8000m: mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[22:17:00] TheAsp: oh
[22:17:00] TheAsp: yeah
[22:17:00] TheAsp: duh
[22:17:00] sexcopter8000m: you have to understand, i'm quite new to linux ;)
[22:18:00] laga: umm
[22:18:00] laga: yeah
[22:18:00] laga: one sec...
[22:18:00] TheAsp: i think you can run it as root
[22:18:00] laga: that wont help muich
[22:18:00] laga: much*
[22:18:00] laga: the user who owns the X display has to give the other users the right to connect to it
[22:18:00] TheAsp: yeah
[22:18:00] TheAsp: but X can
[22:18:00] laga: try 'xhost +localhost'
[22:18:00] TheAsp: err
[22:18:00] TheAsp: root can
[22:19:00] TheAsp: because root can read your ~/.Xauthority
[22:19:00] TheAsp: either way
[22:19:00] TheAsp: i dont think you need to run mythtv-setup as mythtv
[22:19:00] TheAsp: :)
[22:19:00] TheAsp: hmm
[22:19:00] sexcopter8000m: http://pastebin.com/325632
[22:19:00] opello: TheAsp: the DISPLAY env var isn't setup ...
[22:19:00] TheAsp: you chould
[22:20:00] laga: opello: of course it is.
[22:20:00] opello: not if he's sudoing
[22:20:00] TheAsp: 17:17:07 <sexcopter8000m> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[22:20:00] laga: 22:17 < sexcopter8000m> mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[22:20:00] laga: heh ;)
[22:20:00] opello: sudo env :)
[22:20:00] TheAsp: :P
[22:20:00] sexcopter8000m: hmm?
[22:20:00] TheAsp: committee:~$ sudo env | egrep "(XAUTH|DISPLAY)"
[22:20:00] TheAsp: DISPLAY=:0.0
[22:20:00] TheAsp: XAUTHORITY=/home/asp/.Xauthority
[22:20:00] TheAsp: :)
[22:21:00] TheAsp: sudo doesn't kill your env
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[22:21:00] TheAsp: v!
[22:21:00] opello: i assumed it clensed it
[22:21:00] sexcopter8000m: before i go any further, just had a thought, i'm not using "proper" ati drivers, only the crappy ones that come with ubuntu, is that gonna be a problem?
[22:22:00] TheAsp: sexcopter8000m: does xv work?
[22:22:00] sexcopter8000m: v?
[22:22:00] sexcopter8000m: xv*
[22:22:00] TheAsp: v is agile's old nick
[22:22:00] TheAsp: oh
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[22:23:00] TheAsp: sexcopter8000m: xv is an extension for video for X
[22:23:00] sexcopter8000m: heh, sorry, sad state of affairs when i typo a two-character line :s
[22:23:00] sexcopter8000m: then i've no idea :s
[22:23:00] TheAsp: *shrug* you could try it, should work...
[22:23:00] laga: sexcopter8000m: try mplayer -vo xv somevideofile.avi
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[22:26:00] sexcopter8000m: yeah that works
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[22:26:00] sexcopter8000m: i get a window with the video playing and some info in the console
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[22:28:00] laga: sexcopter8000m:good :)
[22:28:00] laga: Xv seems to work
[22:30:00] sexcopter8000m: so what do you reckon the trouble is i'm getting?
[22:30:00] laga: the display connection refused stuff?
[22:31:00] sexcopter8000m: well, tbh, the little red light on the usb thing has never lit up...
[22:31:00] laga: TBH?
[22:32:00] sexcopter8000m: to be honest
[22:32:00] sexcopter8000m: i overuse it lots, ignore it when i type it :)
[22:32:00] laga: oh, ok ;)
[22:32:00] laga: well, that's probably a driver related problem
[22:32:00] sexcopter8000m: what i mean is it hasn't been powered up
[22:32:00] laga: i recommend testing with applications like mplayer or xawtv first.
[22:33:00] sexcopter8000m: this might sound reallllly dumb... but should i have installed some drivers first?
[22:33:00] laga: probably.
[22:33:00] sexcopter8000m: or can i expect ubuntu to have taken care of that?
[22:33:00] laga: umm, not sure.
[22:33:00] sexcopter8000m: what's xawtv?
[22:33:00] laga: BTW, i dont know if your usb thingie wil lwork with mythtv. in fact, most analog usb devices wont work with it
[22:33:00] laga: xawtv is umm yet another TV application ;)
[22:33:00] sexcopter8000m: ....oh?!
[22:34:00] sexcopter8000m: hmm, maybe that'd be a better option
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[22:35:00] sexcopter8000m: well, the hauppauge site only has windows drivers. i'll try xawtv :)
[22:35:00] laga: hehe
[22:35:00] laga: sexcopter8000m: search the archives at www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ for your card.
[22:46:00] sexcopter8000m: hmmm, i'm not pro enough to be sure, but it just looks like most of the hauppauge stuff just ain't supported outside windows =(
[22:47:00] sexcopter8000m: not that i'm going to buy anything any time soon, what tuner card do you guys use?
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[22:50:00] sexcopter8000m: oops
[22:50:00] sexcopter8000m: closed wrong window :)
[22:50:00] laga: heh
[22:50:00] laga: i use a pvr 250
[22:50:00] TheAsp: sexcopter8000m: the drivers for xawtv and myth are the same
[22:50:00] laga: made by hauppauge
[22:51:00] TheAsp: sexcopter8000m: what are you using?
[22:51:00] sexcopter8000m: it's a hauppauge wintv usb
[22:51:00] TheAsp: dont think that works in linux, but not sure
[22:51:00] sexcopter8000m: that's my impression after looking on that link laga gave
[22:53:00] sexcopter8000m: hmm, i do have a pci card free... what's the price range these days and what would you recommend joe user to get?
[22:53:00] sexcopter8000m: just to do the job
[22:53:00] laga: pvr 250 is easy. it's just installing and loading the driver for me. pvr 150 is newer and cheaper, but trickier to get to work
[22:53:00] laga: price range? dunno, i'm not in the UK
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[22:54:00] sexcopter8000m: http://www.google.co.uk/froogle?q=pvr-250& . . . arch+Froogle hmmm, quite a lot given the crap that we get on tele =p
[22:54:00] sexcopter8000m: still, i can use my current one in windows
[22:55:00] sexcopter8000m: even if i so rarely go there now =p
[22:55:00] laga: hehe
[22:55:00] laga: well, there is much crap on the TV, but with mythtv i just watch what i want
[22:55:00] sexcopter8000m: can you explain? do you get more choice??
[22:56:00] laga: no, but i tell mythtv what i want to watch and it records it for me
[22:56:00] sexcopter8000m: ah, ok
[22:56:00] laga: look at the screenshots at www.mythtv.org :)
[22:56:00] sexcopter8000m: does it cripple your pc when it's recording?
[22:57:00] laga: not with a pvr 150/250/500. it uses 2–5% for recording
[22:57:00] laga: because the cards output everything in mpeg2
[22:58:00] sexcopter8000m: oh sweet! :)
[22:58:00] sexcopter8000m: yeah that software looks purrrdy
[22:58:00] laga: *snicker*
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[23:05:00] xris: laga the salesman
[23:06:00] ** laga mentions that is is not wearing a tie. **
[23:07:00] xris: me, neither.
[23:07:00] xris: in fact, I'm covered in dirt from working in the garden.
[23:08:00] laga: heh
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[23:08:00] xris: gotta keep my berries happy.
[23:08:00] laga: and happy berries lead to happy wine, right?
[23:09:00] xris: well, happy dessert.
[23:09:00] laga: well, that makes people happy, too.
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[23:10:00] stoffel_: hm, picking berries off a womans belly button. Ups, my fantasy :)
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[23:11:00] ** laga prefers sparkling wine for that **
[23:12:00] sexcopter8000m: you can pick up sparkling wine off a woman's belly button?
[23:13:00] sexcopter8000m: i guess you could pour a teeny bit in and slurp it out
[23:13:00] sexcopter8000m: =p
[23:14:00] laga: umm, yeah
[23:14:00] laga: but what if it's still in the bottle?
[23:15:00] sexcopter8000m: lol
[23:15:00] sexcopter8000m: so your fantasy is to pick up a bottle of fizz from a woman's belly?
[23:15:00] sexcopter8000m: me no comprendo
[23:15:00] sexcopter8000m: :s
[23:15:00] laga: lo siento ;)
[23:16:00] laga: not my fantasy, women are good beer holders
[23:16:00] ** laga hides **
[23:16:00] sexcopter8000m: lol
[23:17:00] TheAsp: heh
[23:17:00] TheAsp: actually
[23:17:00] TheAsp: they are bad beer holders :)
[23:18:00] laga: depends if she likes beer or not
[23:18:00] TheAsp: or if she lets you drink
[23:18:00] laga: of course she does
[23:18:00] ** laga puts the 'no ma'am!' shirt on **
[23:19:00] TheAsp: well, maybe YOUR woman is a good beer holder
[23:20:00] laga: hehe, i don't have a woman at. i wonder why... :>
[23:20:00] laga: atm*
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[23:47:00] mchou: anyone recommend a quiet and cool case that doesn't cost over $80 with PSU?
[23:47:00] mchou: looking for one to build for my parents.
[23:49:00] tuxick: optimist :)
[23:49:00] mchou: who is an optimist? :)
[23:50:00] tuxick: the case doesn't really silence anyway, it's the quality of PSU fan
[23:50:00] tuxick: and the CPU one of course
[23:50:00] mchou: this one might not break the bank: http://www.directron.com/cact05uwc.html
[23:51:00] mchou: tuxick: yeah, but I dont want the case to add or amplify the noise.
[23:51:00] tuxick: that rules out the made in china stuff ;p
[23:51:00] mchou: plastic cases are da bomb :)
[23:51:00] charlesv: mchou: i hear good things about the antec sonata
[23:51:00] tuxick: side windows sounds like paying extra for something you don't need
[23:52:00] mchou: charlesv: that's over $100 :)
[23:52:00] charlesv: but it's 89 on newegg
[23:52:00] tuxick: isn't 5 bays overkill?
[23:52:00] charlesv: mchou sonata 2 is i think
[23:52:00] mchou: hell, more than 3 bays are probably overkill :)
[23:53:00] mchou: I'd prefer more 3.5 bays for them than 5.25 bays
[23:55:00] mchou: I have several dell cases but the backpanel needs to be enlarged.
[23:55:00] mchou: those are ideal cases. Quiet and good airflow.
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[23:55:00] mchou: plus good dampening characteristics.
[23:56:00] mchou: I meant I/O panel needs to be enlarged.
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