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Monday, July 25th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] riddlebox: hrmm I wonder why I do not hear anything from the radio
[00:00:00] Tall-guy: riddlebox: is it plugged in? :)
[00:00:00] riddlebox: I wish it was that easy
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[00:01:00] riddlebox: that and I cant seem to get authentication in mythweb to work either
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[00:03:00] sabiancrash: man
[00:03:00] sabiancrash: i need some help with this compiling thing
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[00:08:00] riddlebox: I have uncommented the first 4 lines in .htaccess in mythweb then under /var/www I did htpasswd -c htpasswd username but it doesnt ask me for a password
[00:08:00] riddlebox: when I go to the site
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[00:10:00] Tall-guy: riddle: restart your browser yet?...restart apache yet?
[00:11:00] sabiancrash: where the crap is the output
[00:11:00] sabiancrash: arrrgh!
[00:11:00] GreyFoxx: output of what ?
[00:11:00] sabiancrash: the make install
[00:11:00] GreyFoxx: of what
[00:12:00] Tall-guy: riddle: try this http://www.intermedia.net/support/kb/default.asp?id=839
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[00:12:00] sabiancrash: any ideas
[00:12:00] Tall-guy: sabian: what are you making?
[00:13:00] sabiancrash: mythweather
[00:13:00] GreyFoxx: make install of what >
[00:13:00] GreyFoxx: ok
[00:13:00] GreyFoxx: on my box it's installed as /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythweather.so
[00:13:00] GreyFoxx: but yours might vary, however it will be named libmythweather.*
[00:14:00] SlicerDicer-: lol these people are insane! http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2005/06/22/myth_tv.html look below at the pricing of systems they are going so far overkill its not even funny
[00:14:00] sabiancrash: k
[00:14:00] sabiancrash: i can see that
[00:15:00] sabiancrash: so theoretically make install should create another right?
[00:15:00] sabiancrash: with the same name (libmythweather)
[00:15:00] GreyFoxx: Overwrite it yeah
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[00:16:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx, what is wrong with people spending that kinda cash on mythtv system?
[00:17:00] SlicerDicer-: I am just wondering hehe it does not make sense to me
[00:17:00] riddlebox: Tall-Guy:yes
[00:18:00] SlicerDicer-: I spent a total of 180 on my PVR, 20 on mobo, free case, free fans, spare harddrive spare cddrives spare psu spare this spare that. If I was to build it fresh though I could pick up the system for about 200$ tops.... crazy bastards spending nearly 1000$ on a myth box
[00:18:00] GreyFoxx: Cause they want to? Doesn't look that outrageous to me
[00:18:00] SlicerDicer-: well 200$ less the pvr card
[00:18:00] SlicerDicer-: 1000$ is not insane?
[00:18:00] GreyFoxx: no
[00:18:00] GreyFoxx: Not if you want something other than a piece of shit case,
[00:18:00] SlicerDicer-: mine is no POS
[00:18:00] GreyFoxx: or a low end cpu for hdtv playing
[00:19:00] SlicerDicer-: 1.4ghz is lowend?
[00:19:00] GreyFoxx: I think so
[00:19:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh then again I dont use hdtv no need why for 9 channels :)
[00:19:00] Randall64: People have been saying a 3GHz P4 is needed for hdtv.
[00:19:00] GreyFoxx: I think 500–700 (assuming everything is brandnew) is very reasonable
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[00:20:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx, I am a cheap bastard
[00:20:00] GreyFoxx: It all depends on your needs and wants, and of course if you have spare hardware around
[00:20:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah I had a ton of spare hardware
[00:20:00] Tall-guy: i dropped 700 or so
[00:20:00] SlicerDicer-: harddrives, cpu, ram, case, psu, video card etc all I needed was the pvr and mobo
[00:20:00] SlicerDicer-: and that cost 200$ total :)
[00:21:00] Tall-guy: and still not happy with the noise of my fan on the pundit case
[00:21:00] SlicerDicer-: I actually want to go lower power cpu and use fanless system
[00:21:00] SlicerDicer-: 1.4ghz has way to much kick for the backend
[00:22:00] sabiancrash: not if you encode and watch tv at the same time
[00:22:00] GreyFoxx: a lot of people use the epia m10000 for that, hardware mpeg decoding and comes with tvout and a fanless cpu
[00:22:00] SlicerDicer-: sabiancrash, never bothered me
[00:22:00] SlicerDicer-: I do it all the time
[00:22:00] GreyFoxx: but I've never used one so I don't know how much effort is i to setup right
[00:23:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx, not bad
[00:23:00] ** GreyFoxx recompiles mythvideo and ponders food **
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[00:24:00] Discipulus: Food? Food is optional...
[00:25:00] Discipulus: You can live two weeks without food.
[00:25:00] Discipulus: You can only last 2–3 days, however, without water
[00:25:00] GreyFoxx: Ahh, but it's a matter of want :)_
[00:26:00] riddlebox: man I am an idiot I guess I cannot figure out how to get authentication at all I put the files in and it still doesnt work
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[00:32:00] ** awstott just bought a tuner and is in the process of reinstalling everything **
[00:32:00] awstott: mobo swap, more ram, new vid card, tuner.....
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[00:52:00] riddlebox: this sucks so bad, I have mythweb setup with the right .htaccess and did htpasswd -c htpasswd mythtv but I am still not prompted to enter a password when I go to it
[00:57:00] xris: chmod 644 .htaccess ?
[00:58:00] xris: and the htaccess stuff is uncommented, right? (just checking)
[00:59:00] riddlebox: xris yes it is uncommented
[00:59:00] riddlebox: I havent read anything about chmoding the file
[00:59:00] xris: AllowOverride in httpd.conf?
[00:59:00] riddlebox: I will try it
[00:59:00] xris: file needs to be readable by the webserver user.
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[01:00:00] riddlebox: where is httpd.conf?
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[01:02:00] xris: riddlebox: usually in /etc/
[01:02:00] riddlebox: yeah I found it
[01:02:00] xris: use locate to find it.
[01:02:00] xris: read the mythweb README.
[01:02:00] riddlebox: I did already
[01:02:00] xris: anyway, off to watch a movie... afk.
[01:03:00] riddlebox: I see allowoverride none?
[01:07:00] riddlebox: I figured it out thanks
[01:08:00] awstott: what exactly is mythweb?
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[01:16:00] lucacri: hi
[01:16:00] lucacri: there is someone that may solve me a problem?
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[02:30:00] banyan: Has anyone ever had myth with a pvr-350 or 250 make recordings without any sound off the tuner?
[02:30:00] banyan: This struck me as very odd! I mean, off the svideo sure I could see that but off the tuner?
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[03:38:00] caskey: What's the difference between the Hauppauge WinTV-150 and 250? I understand the 350 has video out, but what about 150 vs 250?
[03:39:00] travolta: i think the hardware is different but features are same
[03:39:00] GreyFoxx: basically the 150 is the nexdt generation of the 250 which hauppage can manufactor with cheaper parts
[03:39:00] travolta: and price
[03:40:00] GreyFoxx: so they can sell it cheaper
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[03:40:00] caskey: that's just a little confusing (their numbering)
[03:40:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[03:41:00] ** caskey likes a world where better products get higher numbers **
[03:41:00] caskey: well, when better == newer anyway
[03:41:00] caskey: back to the store then
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: Did you buy something already ?
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: or just going to buy?
[03:43:00] caskey: going to buy
[03:43:00] caskey: third damned trip to the store
[03:43:00] caskey: limited selection unfortunately
[03:43:00] caskey: all I really want to do is snap single frames of video
[03:43:00] awstott: lol
[03:44:00] caskey: Plus my host bus is full so I was trying to find a USB solution
[03:44:00] awstott: eww
[03:44:00] caskey: There are lots and lots of USB video capture devices, but the're all windows only anonymous boxes
[03:45:00] caskey: Is there any difference between the "MCE" and non MCE editions of the card?
[03:45:00] caskey: PVR-150 that is
[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: There is a plextor one I've seen people say they have had success with
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: I've heard people complain about more effort getting the MCE version to work. No idea why
[03:46:00] awstott: MCE is media centre edition... I hope it's not a pain to get working
[03:46:00] awstott: cuz i just bought one today
[03:46:00] caskey: The MCE appears to be 20–40% cheaper
[03:46:00] sabiancrash: wierd
[03:47:00] awstott: I popped it in and ubuntu detected it... I see it listed in device manager
[03:47:00] sabiancrash: i wonder what the diff is
[03:47:00] awstott: but I can't get firefox to let me download anything
[03:47:00] awstott: mine has dual tuners
[03:47:00] sabiancrash: that rocks
[03:47:00] awstott: and it was only 189
[03:47:00] awstott: CAD
[03:47:00] caskey: oh, phew
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: uhhh a 150 with dual tuners? A 500 maybe, but 150's are single tuners, some have fm tuners so it might look like two coax spiggots :)
[03:48:00] sabiancrash: what do you think of my machine (233MHz PII, 384MB PC100 RAM, 6.4GB HDD) as a mythbox ;)
[03:48:00] awstott: yah... thats what i meant. a 500
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[03:49:00] GreyFoxx: sabiancrash: One of the devs has 3 hardware capture cards in a celeron 300 (or 333) as a backend. Don't need much there if you use hardware compression
[03:50:00] caskey: when you use hardware compression, you get MPEG2 streams right?
[03:50:00] GreyFoxx: Yes, though the newer usb ones often allow for mpeg4 output
[03:51:00] caskey: The MPEG2 stream contains the audio embedded in it?
[03:51:00] GreyFoxx: yes
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[03:51:00] UncleBill: hello friends
[03:51:00] UncleBill: has anyone had any experience using mvpmc (media mvp and mythtv)?
[03:51:00] caskey: Is there an easy way to extract that audio without recoding it?
[03:52:00] GreyFoxx: I imagine you could use transcodes demux utilities to pull out the mp2 audio
[03:52:00] GreyFoxx: UncleBill: I have one for one of my frontends
[03:53:00] UncleBill: what do you think of it, GreyFoxx?
[03:53:00] sabiancrash: hw encoding rocks
[03:53:00] GreyFoxx: UncleBill: Not bad. Not nearly a full frontend but works great for playing back mpeg2 streams, and the tvout quality is really good
[03:54:00] UncleBill: what all can you access? myth recordings seem to be a given. and it seems to do general files via nfs. can it do the mythjukebox? mythvideos?
[03:54:00] GreyFoxx: anything mpeg1, mpeg2 or mp3
[03:54:00] UncleBill: also, can you ssh or telnet into it? or is it a "sealed unit" so to speak?
[03:55:00] GreyFoxx: telnet yeah
[03:55:00] caskey: what file format is the audio stream mp2?
[03:55:00] GreyFoxx: cas uhhh mpeg2
[03:55:00] UncleBill: are many utilities available once you telnet in? perl? sed, awk, etc.?
[03:55:00] caskey: isn't mpeg2 video?
[03:55:00] caskey: I see references to demuxing an mpeg2 into an m2v and an mp2
[03:56:00] caskey: what do I need to edit/modify the mp2?
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: caskey: most of the time when people refer to it they are talking about both video and audio
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: but it;s the same format, just different flags on the packets
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[03:56:00] caskey: I see, and this has nothing to do with mp3 audio?
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: nothing
[03:56:00] ** caskey thinks **
[03:57:00] GreyFoxx: UncleBill: Not really, it's a pretty spare mini distro since there is limited ram :) It netboots and tftp's down the bootimage which gets uncompressed into ram and run from there
[03:57:00] caskey: Can I still capture single frames with the Hauppauge 150 or do I have to capture an mpeg2 stream and then extract a frame from that? I'm only interested in 1–2FPS for analysis
[03:57:00] UncleBill: GreyFoxx, how's stability at this point?
[03:58:00] GreyFoxx: caskey: grant the stream and pull frames from it
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[03:58:00] GreyFoxx: UncleBill: I have no stability issues with it. works pretty well. Just don't expect it to duplicate a full frontend :)
[03:58:00] caskey: GreyFoxx, wouldn't that be a compressed then decompressed frame then? I'm concerned about artifacts affecting the image processing
[03:58:00] UncleBill: right on. thanks very much, GreyFoxx
[03:58:00] UncleBill: later, all
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[03:58:00] GreyFoxx: you can add utils and such if you want. I just nfs mount anothe rmachine and store them there
[03:59:00] GreyFoxx: caskey: You can access the uncompressed yuv stream if you like
[03:59:00] caskey: GreyFoxx, ah, thanks
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[04:02:00] monkeyBox: Hi all. I'm trying to make iso backups of my DVDs (so I can play them through mythvideo). When I try to use "dd if=/dev/dvd of=mydvd.iso", I get an I/O error. Is this the best way to rip a DVD iso?
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[04:07:00] opello: monkeyBox: you could use dvdrip with transcode to make them ogm or avis, but dd should work
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[04:08:00] monkeyBox: opello: yeah, I'm wanting to preserver the entire DVD as-is, menus, extra features, and all
[04:08:00] monkeyBox: although wierdly enough I think dd is actually working now :-p
[04:09:00] ** monkeyBox knocks on wood **
[04:09:00] opello: heh
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[04:09:00] monkeyBox: earlier I couldn't use it at all, but now it seems to be working better
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[04:16:00] Octane: anybody have a nice fc3 sources.list that they use they can share with me
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[04:22:00] kusznir: hello all:
[04:24:00] kusznir: My myth system recently started mucking up recordings a bit....It had been working fine for 3–6 months, now all of a sudden, recordings are being commflagged, but when I try and skip commertials, it syas the recording isn't flagged. When I manually skip, the video gets very badly pixelated, and sometimes the video freezes outright (the status bar jumps around a bit before it fades away).
[04:25:00] kusznir: Any suggestions? I'm running 0.17 (trying to upgrade to 0.18.1, but people won't stop using it long enough for the compile to complete...)
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[04:36:00] Octane: anyone which atrpm's rpm package has the sources.list
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[04:59:00] pucky: hello would anyone be willing to help me out with my PVR 150?
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[05:00:00] abarbaccia: pucky, whats up
[05:00:00] abarbaccia: what distro
[05:01:00] pucky: hey, fedora 3
[05:01:00] pucky: got the remote working
[05:01:00] pucky: but I think I fubbed the config in myth for my card
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[05:03:00] pucky: should I pick pvr 250/350 in the mythtvsetup (version 0.18.1
[05:03:00] pucky: cuz that's what I picked. :)
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[05:08:00] abarbaccia: yes
[05:08:00] pucky: I've selected the tuner 0 as well. is that correct?
[05:09:00] pucky: i.e. /dev/video0 and tuner0
[05:09:00] pucky: which is really all there is.
[05:10:00] pucky: ivtv looks to be ok.
[05:13:00] abarbaccia: yea
[05:13:00] abarbaccia: should be
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[05:13:00] abarbaccia: seems like you got your card setup righttttttttttt- okay bye
[05:13:00] awstott: abarbaccia did you write a how to on ubuntu?
[05:14:00] abarbaccia: yes i did
[05:14:00] abarbaccia: : )
[05:14:00] awstott: haha i'm reading it right now
[05:14:00] abarbaccia: sweet – howd u find it? google?
[05:14:00] awstott: yah
[05:14:00] abarbaccia: nice
[05:14:00] awstott: mythtv +ubuntu
[05:14:00] awstott: i'm stuck tho....
[05:14:00] abarbaccia: im surprised how much attention its been getting
[05:14:00] awstott: at installing ivtv
[05:14:00] abarbaccia: whats up – i can help ya out probably
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[05:14:00] abarbaccia: well, what's goin on
[05:14:00] abarbaccia: pucky, check your dmesg
[05:14:00] awstott: sec let me get on here with x-chat
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[05:15:00] abarbaccia: yea
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[05:15:00] andrew_: k I downloaded ivtv-0.3.7.tgz and extracted it
[05:15:00] andrew_: but i can't make them
[05:16:00] abarbaccia: okay – i already know your problem
[05:16:00] andrew_: andrew@ubuntu:~/Desktop/ivtv-0.3.7/driver$ sudo make
[05:16:00] andrew_: make CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV=m -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-5–386/build M=/home/andrew/Desktop/ivtv-0.3.7/driver modules
[05:16:00] andrew_: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5–386/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[05:16:00] andrew_: make: *** [all] Error 2
[05:16:00] andrew_: did I dl the wrong thing?
[05:16:00] pucky: what should I look for in the output of dmesg
[05:16:00] abarbaccia: pucky, the ivtv part -make sure it initializes ur card
[05:16:00] pucky: ah k
[05:17:00] pucky: just a sec
[05:17:00] abarbaccia: andrew_, (great name btw) go and be sure you follow my guide with setting up the build environment
[05:17:00] pucky: ivtv: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #0
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[05:17:00] pucky: on ivtv-0.3.6
[05:17:00] abarbaccia: andrew_, i dont think you have the right things installed with the environment – follow the top of the ivtv page
[05:18:00] abarbaccia: and pucky what is your error exactly?
[05:18:00] abarbaccia: did you have picture and sound before?
[05:18:00] pucky: I do see something... setting tuner 4.... isn't that where the tuner is for the 250 and 350
[05:19:00] pucky: well I just get a black screen and then timeout when I try to watch tv
[05:19:00] abarbaccia: pucky, okay , check to make sure your live tv buffer folder is writeable and the correct permissions
[05:19:00] awstott: k i'll try it again abarbaccia
[05:20:00] pucky: k
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[05:20:00] pucky: thanks abarbaccia
[05:20:00] abarbaccia: lemme know if that works – both of you
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[05:20:00] pucky: drw-rw-rw- 2 root root 6 Jul 23 23:11 buffer
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[05:21:00] pucky: should it be owned by the myth user
[05:21:00] abarbaccia: pucky, simply do this – 'chmod 777 -R <folder name>'
[05:21:00] pucky: k
[05:21:00] abarbaccia: eh
[05:21:00] abarbaccia: wait
[05:21:00] abarbaccia: that was stupid
[05:21:00] abarbaccia: dont do that – it already has write
[05:22:00] abarbaccia: check in mythtv-setup that you have the folder specified right
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[05:22:00] pucky: k
[05:22:00] abarbaccia: oh actually i think i know your error -
[05:22:00] abarbaccia: you know where you added the line to modprobe lirc_i2c
[05:22:00] abarbaccia: and modprobe ivtv
[05:22:00] andrew_: abarbaccia, is this installing the 2.6.10 kernel?
[05:22:00] pucky: ya
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[05:23:00] abarbaccia: andrew_, the kernel source – you're not actually building the kernel – you are probably running the 2.6.10 kernel
[05:23:00] andrew_: yah I am
[05:23:00] abarbaccia: pucky, take out the line modprobe ivtv (lirc_i2c will pull it in) and then reboot – should fix ya up
[05:23:00] abarbaccia: sometimes they load wrong and it gets all messed up – bad news
[05:23:00] andrew_: andrew@ubuntu:~$ sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-* /usr/src/linux
[05:23:00] andrew_: ln: when making multiple links, last argument must be a directory
[05:23:00] pucky: cool I'll let you know
[05:23:00] andrew_: failed there
[05:24:00] abarbaccia: andrew_, you gotta put the * as 2.6.10
[05:24:00] andrew_: doh... i'm a dumbass
[05:24:00] abarbaccia: shoulda put <kver> instead – sorry  – lemme fix that
[05:25:00] abarbaccia: andrew_, you should be good to compile after that – but i gotta get to sleep – work real early tomorrow – good luck – and feel free to get in touch with me if you need more help
[05:26:00] pucky: thanks abarabaccia
[05:26:00] pucky: oops typo
[05:26:00] pucky: ;)
[05:26:00] andrew_: thanks abarbaccia
[05:26:00] andrew_: seems to be comiling now
[05:26:00] abarbaccia: no problem guys – good luck (good to hear andrew)
[05:26:00] andrew_: I'll sign up for an account on your site :)
[05:27:00] abarbaccia: hahaha – then you can post in the forum ;)
[05:28:00] andrew_: thanks for doing a how to... guess if you follow the instructions it helps :P
[05:28:00] andrew_: I thought cuz i was running 2.6.10 I didn't need to do the stuff up the top of this page
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[05:33:00] pucky: hey andrew what how to are you looking at?
[05:34:00] andrew_: the one abarbaccia wrote
[05:35:00] andrew_: http://www.abarbaccia.com
[05:35:00] pucky: thanks man
[05:35:00] andrew_: np
[05:41:00] awstott: grr... he just left and I have a snafu....
[05:41:00] awstott: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=FirmwareVersions <----- doesn't work
[05:43:00] pucky: I was just there a couple of hours ago
[05:43:00] pucky: I'll check my cache if you want
[05:43:00] pucky: or google it and use there cache
[05:44:00] pucky: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:qURdTE_IF2 . . . lient=safari
[05:45:00] awstott: maybe my firefox is just pooched... but on two boxes?
[05:45:00] awstott: even googles cached page won't work
[05:45:00] pucky: that sucks
[05:45:00] ** awstott fires up the evil IE **
[05:45:00] pucky: lol
[05:46:00] awstott: nope that don't work either
[05:46:00] pucky: looks like someone has a outage
[05:46:00] ** awstott tries it via other ISP **
[05:47:00] pucky: what are you trying to get
[05:47:00] andrew_: the firmware for my card... i'm just following abarbaccia's tutorial
[05:47:00] pucky: ah your on two boxes
[05:48:00] awstott: yah
[05:48:00] awstott: I have a kvm switch
[05:48:00] pucky: which firmware is it
[05:48:00] awstott: the one for the pvr 500
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[05:49:00] pucky: do you know the name of the file I'll try it from here
[05:49:00] awstott: there we go... diff ISP now
[05:49:00] ** andrew__ tries again **
[05:49:00] pucky: cool
[05:50:00] andrew__: sol on this ISP too
[05:50:00] andrew__: maybe thats a hint it's time to go to bed
[05:50:00] pucky: you guys must be east coasters
[05:50:00] andrew__: nope
[05:50:00] pucky: UK
[05:50:00] andrew__: i'm in alberta
[05:50:00] pucky: lol
[05:50:00] andrew__: I see you're in BC
[05:50:00] pucky: dude it's only 9:50
[05:50:00] pucky: lol
[05:50:00] Beirdo: hehe
[05:51:00] pucky: sun still going down here
[05:51:00] Beirdo: Canada++
[05:51:00] andrew__: lol
[05:51:00] andrew__: well it's only 8:50 there
[05:51:00] pucky: :D
[05:51:00] pucky: yup
[05:51:00] andrew__: it's been a long week this week.... I worked 6 days
[05:51:00] andrew__: even tho I downed a 2L of pepsi today i'm still wiped
[05:51:00] Beirdo: be awefully hard as it's the first day of the week
[05:51:00] pucky: and this is the fun stuff
[05:51:00] Beirdo: heh
[05:51:00] andrew__: well it's the fun stuff as long as the sites you need are working
[05:51:00] andrew__: hehe
[05:52:00] andrew__: I spose I could make some coax cables
[05:52:00] andrew__: but i dunno if i have any ends left
[05:52:00] pucky: doh'
[05:52:00] andrew__: I gotta find that 3 way splitter too
[05:52:00] andrew__: cuz i have a tuner card in my windows box too but it sucks for recording
[05:52:00] pucky: well I'd send you some but that would take a while
[05:52:00] awstott: lol
[05:52:00] Beirdo: especially by Canada Post
[05:52:00] Beirdo: slow butthead
[05:52:00] Beirdo: s
[05:53:00] awstott: lol
[05:53:00] pucky: wouldn't it be funny if I worked for them
[05:53:00] pucky: lol
[05:53:00] pucky: I don't
[05:53:00] Beirdo: you gonna go postal on me?
[05:53:00] pucky: that would suck
[05:53:00] pucky: lol
[05:53:00] Beirdo: it's called that for a reason :)
[05:53:00] Beirdo: hehe
[05:53:00] awstott: they have my marks the bastards... I was supposed ot have them middle of the month
[05:53:00] awstott: not sure if i pulled off honors or not
[05:54:00] Beirdo: I'm still waiting for those postcards to get to Puerto Rico.
[05:54:00] Beirdo: over half the time is from Toronto to the border
[05:54:00] Beirdo: I could walk em to Buffalo faster
[05:54:00] awstott: lol
[05:55:00] pucky: bugger still to tv
[05:55:00] pucky: no tv
[05:55:00] Beirdo: or take the Rochester ferry, mail them from there, take the ferry home again
[05:55:00] Beirdo: awefully expensive for postcards though
[05:55:00] pucky: well at least that ferry doesn't run out of power
[05:55:00] awstott: USPS works on saturdays... maybe thats why they're faster
[05:55:00] Beirdo: next time I have a package though...
[05:55:00] Beirdo: so does Canada Post
[05:55:00] Beirdo: in the sorting places
[05:55:00] Beirdo: or so they say
[05:56:00] awstott: they don't deilver saturdays
[05:56:00] Beirdo: true
[05:56:00] Beirdo: they barely deliver during the week
[05:56:00] awstott: lol
[05:56:00] awstott: I hope I don't have ot go to calgary tomorrow
[05:56:00] awstott: I really don't want ot go
[05:56:00] Beirdo: if you do, hunt down Theo...
[05:56:00] Beirdo: hehe
[05:56:00] Beirdo: kick his butt for all the OpenBSD users
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[05:57:00] Beirdo: why would you wanna go to Calgary?
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[05:58:00] pucky: so can someone explain this firmware stuff to me
[05:59:00] pucky: I've got a PVR 150
[05:59:00] Krazylegz: Yes.
[05:59:00] pucky: running on fedora install via the fedora guys how-to
[05:59:00] pucky: which is alot of apt-get stuff
[05:59:00] pucky: I didn't download any firmware
[06:00:00] pucky: should I have
[06:00:00] awstott: I might have to go for work
[06:00:00] awstott: last time I was there i put in a 15 hr day
[06:01:00] abarbaccia: pucky, on my site you can follow that part for putting the firmware in place – its generic regardless of distro
[06:01:00] awstott: thought you went to bed
[06:01:00] awstott: L(
[06:01:00] abarbaccia: i am going to bed
[06:01:00] pucky: lol
[06:01:00] abarbaccia: right now
[06:01:00] awstott: :)
[06:01:00] abarbaccia: lol
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[06:01:00] abarbaccia: later guys
[06:01:00] awstott: later
[06:02:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc, you here?
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[06:07:00] SlicerDicer-: does anybody know if its possible to make mythdvd play menus off of dvds? I am trying to figure out a way to select episodes on my Due South dvds
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[06:09:00] pucky: ya use xine instead of mplayer
[06:09:00] pucky: I just did that today
[06:10:00] pucky: anyone know if this is an issue with my ivtv
[06:10:00] pucky: tuner: type set to 4 (NoTuner) by ivtv i2c driver #0
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[06:26:00] SlicerDicer-: alright pucky thanks
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[06:26:00] UncleBill: hello friends
[06:27:00] UncleBill: GreyFoxx, you still around?
[06:27:00] SlicerDicer-: UncleBill, I may be able to help whats the deal?
[06:27:00] UncleBill: not really a help issue
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[06:27:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh
[06:27:00] UncleBill: I was going to try out media mvp as a mythfront end. GreyFoxx was giving me his thoughts on it
[06:28:00] UncleBill: I went to Frys, and they've stopped stocking it
[06:28:00] SlicerDicer-: mvp?
[06:28:00] SlicerDicer-: tv out?
[06:28:00] UncleBill: I hope they're still manufacturing it. or a newer model that is still supported by the mvp project
[06:29:00] UncleBill: it has tv out and ethernet in. it's designed to play video from a remote pc
[06:29:00] UncleBill: there's a project out there that lets you build a very thin mythtv front end
[06:29:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh
[06:29:00] UncleBill: I don't know a lot about it, but I'm interested in trying it
[06:30:00] SlicerDicer-: I am going to be using mac minis as frontends :)
[06:30:00] UncleBill: cool
[06:30:00] SlicerDicer-: thats the plan anyway
[06:30:00] UncleBill: the media mvp is extremely thin. no hard drive, or even static memory. it boots from a tftp server, pulling it's entire image off the network
[06:31:00] UncleBill: no cd or floppy
[06:31:00] SlicerDicer-: cool
[06:31:00] SlicerDicer-: wtf is with mtd using cdrecord?
[06:31:00] UncleBill: very thin. but also it's extremely quiet because no fan. and a tiny foot print, maybe 8" by 8" by 1".
[06:32:00] UncleBill: what's going on with mtd, SlicerDicer?
[06:33:00] SlicerDicer-: I cant get the damn thing to play nice
[06:34:00] SlicerDicer-: Failed to run 'cdrecord --scanbus'
[06:34:00] SlicerDicer-: that is what it says when I try to run the transcode of a dvd
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[06:37:00] UncleBill: hmmm. don't know what that could be, SlicerDicer
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[06:42:00] awstott^n: ivtv: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #1
[06:42:00] awstott^n: hmm
[06:42:00] awstott^n: I have a 500
[06:43:00] awstott^n: not a 150
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[06:46:00] pucky: the 500 shows up as 2 150's
[06:47:00] awstott: I only saw one initialized
[06:47:00] awstott: even if I only get one going it'll be an accomplishment
[06:47:00] awstott: hehe
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[06:52:00] awstott^n: damn it
[06:52:00] awstott^n: I messed up mysql
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[06:52:00] Jimmmy: drop the db and start again
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[06:53:00] awstott^n: messed up root pw for mysql
[06:53:00] Jimmmy: open up the file and blank it :)
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[06:54:00] quink: is there a way to edit the mythtv config via command line?
[06:54:00] quink: like point it to a new directory for tv show recordings?
[06:54:00] Jimmmy: quink, not from command line itself, but if you know mysql you can
[06:54:00] quink: i don't know it.
[06:54:00] Jimmmy: all configuration is stored in the mythconverg table
[06:54:00] Jimmmy: quink, i can walk you through
[06:54:00] quink: damn. working on moving stuff around between hard drives so i can have a bigger harddrive as my main one
[06:54:00] Jimmmy: what setting do you want to change?
[06:55:00] quink: just want to move my storage for tv shows from /mnt/tv to /mnt/media/tv
[06:55:00] quink: well i guess i can just change this later once i have things setup
[06:55:00] quink: no big deal
[06:56:00] Jimmmy: goto pm
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[06:59:00] awstott^n: Setting up mythtv-database (0.17–3) ...
[06:59:00] awstott^n: Failed to execute SQL: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY '6B1jpKoG'\nTable 'mysql.user' doesn't exist at -e line 8, <> line 1.
[06:59:00] awstott^n: :(
[07:00:00] Jimmmy: did you initialise your sql database ?
[07:00:00] Jimmmy: on gentoo its: mysql_install_db
[07:00:00] Jimmmy: dont know about other distros
[07:02:00] awstott^n: i'll just talk to abarbaccia tomorrow... I think I really fawked it over
[07:02:00] awstott^n: i'm following his tutorial and one of my copy/pastes messed up
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[07:03:00] awstott^n: I can't even uinstall everything using synaptic :(
[07:03:00] awstott^n: I have a broken package it wants me to fix first
[07:04:00] awstott^n: baah... i'm going to bed
[07:04:00] awstott^n: i'll fight with this tomorrow
[07:04:00] awstott^n: thanks for the help everyone
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[07:20:00] mrproper: I am trying to try out MythTV but I don't have any tuner cards. Is there a way I can get the setup scripts to run so that I can try the interface? Currently, it's saying that I don't have any channels added.
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[07:22:00] Krazylegz: You just want to try it? What do you want to do with it without a tuner card?
[07:23:00] mrproper: Krazylegz, I was wanting to see if it would at least be able to show me channel listings it downloads or whatnot. Just so I can decide whether I want to shell out the money for tuner cards first.
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[07:23:00] pucky: I used my mythtv as a dvd/video player for months
[07:23:00] pucky: before I got my pvr 150
[07:23:00] mrproper: pucky, Oh did you? How did you get it past the database propogation scripts?
[07:24:00] pucky: I still set it up as if I had one
[07:24:00] mrproper: It says "There are no channel sources defined".
[07:24:00] pucky: create an account at zap2it.com
[07:24:00] pucky: and enter that into the mythtvsetup
[07:25:00] mrproper: I"m using .17.x, not .18.
[07:25:00] mrproper: .18 didn't compile on my systme.
[07:25:00] mrproper: I do have a zap account btw.
[07:25:00] pucky: I think it's labs.zap2it.com
[07:25:00] pucky: ah what distro
[07:25:00] mrproper: Ubuntu Horay
[07:25:00] mrproper: If you want, I could dig up my error.
[07:25:00] pucky: ;)
[07:25:00] pucky: sure
[07:26:00] mrproper: Where should I paste it?
[07:26:00] pucky: private
[07:27:00] mrproper: Okay. If I have a decoder and an encoder, how well should it run on a regular in use desktop system?
[07:28:00] pucky: fine
[07:28:00] pucky: I've got a PIII 600
[07:28:00] pucky: works awesome
[07:28:00] pucky: dual
[07:28:00] SlicerDicer-: well fuck... scuse my language but I got cdrecord working but now I cant see my cd-drive
[07:28:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[07:28:00] mrproper: Nice.
[07:29:00] SlicerDicer-: well cdrecord sees my cddrive
[07:29:00] mrproper: pucky, That's what I"m thinking of doing, so I want to make sure it won't slow everything down to much, or visa-versa.
[07:29:00] SlicerDicer-: but I cant mount it
[07:29:00] pucky: mrproper I'm stumped
[07:29:00] mrproper: k
[07:29:00] SlicerDicer-: whats the problem?
[07:30:00] mrproper: Compile errors
[07:30:00] mrproper: How can I get a DataDirect account?
[07:30:00] mrproper: pucky, I just changed the prefix of my compile. I think it may have fixed it, believe it or not.
[07:30:00] pucky: just a sec
[07:30:00] SlicerDicer-: mrproper, compile in ubuntu?
[07:30:00] pucky: http://labs.zap2it.com/ztvws/ztvws_login/1,1059,TMS01-1,00.html
[07:30:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, Yup
[07:30:00] SlicerDicer-: good luck
[07:30:00] mrproper: :)
[07:30:00] SlicerDicer-: thats why I went back to gentoo
[07:30:00] mrproper: Not easy?
[07:30:00] SlicerDicer-: do you use amd64 at all?
[07:30:00] mrproper: no
[07:31:00] SlicerDicer-: perhaps try the breakmyubuntu backports
[07:31:00] mrproper: pucky, Oh...that's datadirect!
[07:31:00] mrproper: Got one already ;)
[07:31:00] SlicerDicer-: mrproper, if you dont use amd64 then backports would work fine
[07:31:00] pucky: ya that's it
[07:31:00] mrproper: pucky, Downloading listings now.
[07:31:00] SlicerDicer-: mrproper, does that make sense?
[07:32:00] pucky: cool
[07:32:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, Yeah.
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[07:32:00] mrproper: I think the compile works though, we'll see.
[07:32:00] SlicerDicer-: I never had any luck
[07:32:00] SlicerDicer-: ubuntu was a bitch to compile with
[07:32:00] SlicerDicer-: I wanted to stab it
[07:32:00] mrproper: Sweet guys, works.
[07:32:00] mrproper: No need to go to 18
[07:33:00] pucky: and now you wanna slap cdrecord. :)
[07:33:00] SlicerDicer-: me?
[07:33:00] SlicerDicer-: yes I do
[07:33:00] pucky: ya
[07:33:00] SlicerDicer-: I broke my cd drive
[07:33:00] SlicerDicer-: well not broke
[07:33:00] SlicerDicer-: but busted
[07:33:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, Smooth
[07:33:00] SlicerDicer-: well
[07:33:00] SlicerDicer-: here is what happend
[07:34:00] SlicerDicer-: I got mtd going good on both systems frontend/backend so I can transcode on anybox I want well I mainly want to transcode on frontend
[07:34:00] mrproper: How has everyone's experiences been with Myth overall?
[07:34:00] SlicerDicer-: so I got mtd working then launched to play with transcoding well.... it said cdrecord could not scanbus
[07:34:00] SlicerDicer-: so I decided to figure it out went to gentoo forums read about scsi emulation got that turned on so my cd drive is using scsi emulation but I have no idea what device it is.... lol
[07:35:00] SlicerDicer-: cdrecord -scanbus sees it I just have no idea what device it is
[07:35:00] mrproper: Myth takes a while to fill its databases, doesn't it?
[07:35:00] SlicerDicer-: aye
[07:36:00] SlicerDicer-: 20mins on my box
[07:36:00] mrproper: Wow!
[07:36:00] mrproper: How often does it do that?
[07:36:00] SlicerDicer-: daily
[07:36:00] mrproper: Nicer.
[07:36:00] Qwell: it should take considerably shorter after the first time, no?
[07:36:00] SlicerDicer-: I have it setup to run daily
[07:36:00] SlicerDicer-: well yes it should
[07:36:00] Krazylegz: It can take 8 hours, as long as I'm sleeping.
[07:37:00] pucky: myth is awesome
[07:37:00] pucky: that's all I can say
[07:37:00] SlicerDicer-: well after the first run it will find that data exists for the first 13 days but not the 14th and only do the 14th day so its fast
[07:37:00] mrproper: So just before I plop the money, I can use this desktop as both as a desktop and a myth system. It will feed the proper myth stuff into the TV?
[07:37:00] SlicerDicer-: pucky, I have been adding to it for over 2 months now
[07:37:00] SlicerDicer-: activating feature after feature
[07:37:00] SlicerDicer-: its getting totally kick ass
[07:37:00] pucky: yup
[07:37:00] pucky: I love it
[07:38:00] pucky: my wife on the other hand doesn't
[07:38:00] pucky: :)
[07:38:00] mrproper: Why not?
[07:38:00] mrproper: Anyone know where I can get a good encoder and decoder card or two for cheap?
[07:38:00] pucky: not a geek
[07:38:00] mrproper: So?
[07:38:00] mrproper: It works, doesn't it?
[07:38:00] pucky: ya
[07:38:00] SlicerDicer-: mrproper, aint going to happen
[07:38:00] Krazylegz: mrproper: You can just start the mythfrontend when you want to use it.
[07:38:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, What's not going to happen?
[07:38:00] pucky: she thinks she's going to break somthing
[07:38:00] pucky: it's not myth
[07:38:00] SlicerDicer-: cheap + encoder + decoder
[07:38:00] pucky: ;)
[07:39:00] mrproper: Krazylegz, Oh, and the frontend will forward to the respective place? (be it montior or TV)
[07:39:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, Bah!
[07:39:00] mrproper: Any recommended cards?
[07:39:00] SlicerDicer-: pvr350
[07:39:00] SlicerDicer-: quick and easy
[07:39:00] mrproper: I've heard those are good. How much?
[07:39:00] SlicerDicer-: painless
[07:39:00] SlicerDicer-: I payed 180 for mine
[07:39:00] SlicerDicer-: locally at a retail store
[07:39:00] Krazylegz: mrproper: If you set it up to output to those places, yes. It just outputs via X.
[07:39:00] mrproper: Do I need to recompile kernels, etc. to get those working in Ubuntu?
[07:39:00] pucky: I've got the 150 and still haven't got it working
[07:39:00] SlicerDicer-: if you ordered online its more than likely cheaper
[07:39:00] SlicerDicer-: mrproper, no it works with ubuntu stock kernel
[07:39:00] Krazylegz: SlicerDicer: If you use a PVR-350, do you still have problems with the Myth menus?
[07:40:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, Oh man, great! That's what I wanted.
[07:40:00] Krazylegz: I should rephrase that.
[07:40:00] SlicerDicer-: Krazylegz, what you mean?
[07:40:00] SlicerDicer-: mrproper, np it works great I love it I dont use it with ubuntu but I know it works actually let me grab you a howto
[07:40:00] Krazylegz: Well, the PVR-350 can only output MPEG2.
[07:40:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, Please.
[07:40:00] mrproper: What reasons would I want the 350 over the 150?
[07:41:00] pucky: 150 only has encode
[07:41:00] SlicerDicer-: Krazylegz, I dont use the pvr output yet
[07:41:00] pucky: and no tvout
[07:41:00] mrproper: I'd probably want the decode then.
[07:41:00] mrproper: tvout == decode?
[07:41:00] SlicerDicer-: I will soon though as I said I am activating features 1 by 1
[07:41:00] Krazylegz: mrproper: No.
[07:41:00] mrproper: Hmmm...
[07:41:00] mrproper: Okay?
[07:41:00] pucky: I have an nvidia for out
[07:41:00] Krazylegz: SlicerDicer: Then why would you recommend the PVR-350 over the PVR-250?
[07:41:00] mrproper: tvout is just the port?
[07:42:00] SlicerDicer-: Krazylegz, cause I have used it before :) just dont have it running right now
[07:42:00] Krazylegz: mrproper: The tv-out on the PVR-350 is an MPEG decoder. It cannot simply output something to a television.
[07:42:00] mrproper: Krazylegz, What does it need to output to?
[07:42:00] SlicerDicer-: Krazylegz, I have reinstalled mythbox 3x total now
[07:42:00] SlicerDicer-: Krazylegz, so yeah I have had it working :)
[07:43:00] Krazylegz: SlicerDicer: I've had it working too, and I'm just saying that I don't see why you would want an MPEG2 decoder instead of a tv-out for Myth. For watching MPEG2 content yes, but why for Mythfrontend?
[07:43:00] SlicerDicer-: http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/UbuntuInstallation mrproper ignore those min hardware requirements
[07:44:00] SlicerDicer-: Krazylegz, I encode everything in mpeg2 so why not decode it and not use my cpu to do so?
[07:44:00] mrproper: How much of a 1GHz cpu will decoding take up?
[07:44:00] SlicerDicer-: less stress on my old cpu the better
[07:44:00] Krazylegz: SlicerDicer: That's a valid reason to use it, sure.
[07:44:00] SlicerDicer-: mrproper, it should work fine mrproper if its a amd
[07:44:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, I don't remember. Let me look
[07:44:00] SlicerDicer-: bah see I am going crazy
[07:44:00] SlicerDicer-: I am trying to figure out this stupid cdrecord issue
[07:44:00] mrproper: No, It's a p3
[07:45:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont know that could be questionable
[07:45:00] Krazylegz: I'll drop it. I think we both know when we should and should not use the MPEG decoder. :-)
[07:45:00] SlicerDicer-: if mchou comes around ask him he runs a 900mhz intel
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[07:45:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, So, if I get a 350, how do I get it to work on my television?
[07:45:00] SlicerDicer-: he would be able to tell ya
[07:45:00] LCTSI: how's mythtv-land tonight
[07:45:00] SlicerDicer-: aye Krazylegz I use the decoder I am just not using it right now
[07:46:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont feel like setting it up I want to get other features activated for now
[07:46:00] SlicerDicer-: mrproper, it explains on that mythtv howto
[07:46:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, Oh okay.
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[07:46:00] Krazylegz: I actually bought a Pundit-R because the MPEG decoder wasn't working so well for me on an 800mhz Athlon.
[07:47:00] Krazylegz: It worked, but watching non-MPEG2 content (recordings) was next to impossible, and the menus were not very happy at the time either.
[07:47:00] SlicerDicer-: Krazylegz, yep nvidia kard works great for that
[07:47:00] mrproper: What features does Myth have that Tivo or Replay doens't?
[07:47:00] LCTSI: prepare for an avalanche, mrproper
[07:47:00] Krazylegz: mrproper: There might be an FAQ on that.
[07:48:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, really.
[07:48:00] SlicerDicer-: LCTSI, lol
[07:48:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, I don't see that piece of info in the Ubuntu Install tutorial
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[07:49:00] LCTSI: can LIRC only pass commands to MythTV when I have it running, or could I still execute stuff in the background
[07:49:00] LCTSI: er
[07:49:00] SlicerDicer-: http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/HardWare_2fVideoC . . . HintsAndTips that should help mrproper
[07:49:00] LCTSI: let me rephrase that
[07:49:00] SlicerDicer-: its all on that wiki
[07:50:00] mrproper: k
[07:50:00] SlicerDicer-: LCTSI, its easy to make it do a buncha bullshit
[07:50:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[07:50:00] SlicerDicer-: bullshit
[07:50:00] LCTSI: when MythTV is active, and i press a button on my IR remote....will lirc only pass the command to MythTV and MythTV alone
[07:50:00] SlicerDicer-: I said bullshit HAHA......
[07:50:00] LCTSI: or can i make it execute a shell command in the background
[07:50:00] SlicerDicer-: sure
[07:50:00] LCTSI: irexec good for that?
[07:50:00] SlicerDicer-: yep
[07:51:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, So, I can output from a 350 to a TV without any extra hardware (besides those two pieces), I just need to change settings?
[07:51:00] LCTSI: ok....i need to pass feedback back through my two-way IR box
[07:51:00] LCTSI: and that would be perfect
[07:51:00] SlicerDicer-: pretty much mrproper
[07:52:00] LCTSI: so pretty much, however many entries for that button i have, it will try to execute the command for each prog= entry
[07:52:00] SlicerDicer-: LCTSI, for example and everybody else excuse the spam
[07:52:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, Oh. I was afraid I'd need some hardware.
[07:52:00] SlicerDicer-: begin
[07:52:00] SlicerDicer-: button = Power
[07:52:00] SlicerDicer-: prog = irexec
[07:52:00] SlicerDicer-: repeat = 0
[07:52:00] SlicerDicer-: config = mythfrontend
[07:52:00] SlicerDicer-: end
[07:52:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, How hard is it to get sound from the computer to the TV? Easy?
[07:52:00] SlicerDicer-: that is what I do to launch mythfrontend when it crashes
[07:52:00] LCTSI: well
[07:52:00] SlicerDicer-: very simple mrproper
[07:52:00] SlicerDicer-: just use your soundcard output and get a adapter
[07:52:00] LCTSI: i need to change the channel in mythtv AND run a shell command when i press the channel change button
[07:52:00] mrproper: $10 at RadioShack :)
[07:52:00] SlicerDicer-: eh? for what LCTSI ?
[07:52:00] LCTSI: my remote needs feedback
[07:52:00] LCTSI: or else it will keep sending the command
[07:53:00] SlicerDicer-: what remote?
[07:53:00] LCTSI: a crestron panel
[07:53:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, Does Happanspellcheck provide refunds for returns or no?
[07:53:00] SlicerDicer-: or let me rephrase that what are you controlling?
[07:53:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont know mrproper
[07:53:00] SlicerDicer-: I am sure a local store in your area stocks them though
[07:54:00] LCTSI: basically my crestron panel is wired with rs-232 to my mythtv box
[07:54:00] LCTSI: it emulates ir commands
[07:54:00] LCTSI: but it will keep sending the command unless i get a feedback string
[07:55:00] pucky: Can anyone help me with verifying my PVR-150 is working
[07:55:00] mrproper: SlicerDicer, Yeah.
[07:55:00] LCTSI: if i put in two entries, one for mythtv and one for irexec, i could just echo back the ack string
[07:55:00] LCTSI: if it would work like that
[07:55:00] Krazylegz: SlicerDicer: PVR-350 outputs sound to television without a soundcard.
[07:55:00] mrproper: No! My connection timed out.
[07:55:00] LCTSI: i just don't know if it would
[07:56:00] mrproper: So for my purpose, a 350 would be the best?
[07:56:00] Krazylegz: Good question. :-)
[07:56:00] mrproper: With a 350, would I be able to watch a show and record a show at the same time?
[07:56:00] mrproper: Watch a live show that is.
[07:56:00] Krazylegz: Yes.
[07:56:00] SlicerDicer-: Krazylegz, I never used that feature!
[07:57:00] mrproper: I don't want to have to get 2 cards just to watch and record at the same time.
[07:57:00] Krazylegz: No? Weren't you using the MPEG decoder?
[07:57:00] SlicerDicer-: Krazylegz, yep
[07:57:00] Krazylegz: So, what did you do with the sound?
[07:57:00] Krazylegz: mrproper: Think of the PVR-350 as two cards.
[07:57:00] SlicerDicer-: I am trying to concentrate on something here
[07:57:00] SlicerDicer-: hang on
[07:57:00] Krazylegz: Sure thing.
[07:57:00] SlicerDicer-: my cddrive is really barking at me
[07:58:00] mrproper: kbreit@kblinux:~/downloads/mythtv-0.18.1 $ sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend startStarting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
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[07:59:00] mrproper: Any ideas what that means?
[07:59:00] Krazylegz: Can you do /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start if you are logged in as root?
[08:00:00] mrproper: It's Ubuntu, you don't login as root :)
[08:00:00] mrproper: sudo is your only access.
[08:00:00] Krazylegz: You can't su to root?
[08:00:00] mrproper: Nope
[08:00:00] Paradoxx: sure you can...
[08:00:00] mrproper: Can you?
[08:00:00] Paradoxx: i'm almost postive you can
[08:01:00] Krazylegz: I would think so.
[08:01:00] mrproper: Nope, it gives auth errors.
[08:01:00] mrproper: This is an Ubuntuism
[08:01:00] Paradoxx: oh ok..
[08:01:00] Krazylegz: It's funky in Gentoo though, you have to be a member of the group wheel.
[08:01:00] Krazylegz: Must be something like that.
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[08:01:00] mrproper: It doesn't have a wheel group
[08:01:00] Paradoxx: intresting, i just did a sudo su, but then i'm on a kubuntu live cd installation
[08:02:00] Krazylegz: mrproper: How about this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-31053.html ?
[08:02:00] mrproper: sudo su?
[08:02:00] mrproper: Paradoxx, great idea.
[08:02:00] mrproper: Never thought of sudo su for wahtever reason
[08:02:00] Krazylegz: Good thinking.
[08:02:00] steven_h: how do I change the length of time mythmusic skips when I press the FFWD/REW buttons?
[08:02:00] mrproper: Nope, the backend wont start as root.
[08:02:00] Krazylegz: Same error?
[08:03:00] mrproper: yes
[08:03:00] SlicerDicer-: brb guys I got to reboot
[08:03:00] mrproper: Wait, am I able to change channels using MythTV or no?
[08:03:00] Krazylegz: mrproper: Yes.
[08:03:00] Paradoxx: well, i'm on a live cd, so maybe thats y...
[08:03:00] mrproper: Krazylegz, I don't need a set top box?
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[08:03:00] Krazylegz: Nope.
[08:03:00] LCTSI: steven_h, you might check your lirc config
[08:03:00] LCTSI: i think in xine anyway you FF by a %
[08:04:00] LCTSI: i saw that like 10 minutes ago browsing through lirc stuff
[08:04:00] steven_h: yep, but I want to know re mythmusic, y'know the plugin. Lirc only maps it to Page up, Page Down, no %
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[08:04:00] Krazylegz: mrproper: The PVR- cards have a built-in tuner, not just an input. You plug your cable in there and it works like a television.
[08:04:00] mrproper: Krazylegz, k. I misread something in the FAQ.
[08:04:00] Krazylegz: Linky?
[08:05:00] mrproper: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.25
[08:05:00] mrproper: I iddn't see "if" at the beginning of the sentence.
[08:05:00] Krazylegz: Ah.
[08:05:00] mrproper: But this error is killing me.
[08:05:00] pucky: unless you have digital cable then you need a set top box plugging into you tuner card
[08:06:00] mrproper: No, this is a university campus.
[08:06:00] mrproper: I don't think they have digital cable, as there are no STB's in the rooms.
[08:06:00] Krazylegz: pucky: Yeah, I was going to mention that....in a few months.
[08:06:00] pucky: oh I can't wait
[08:06:00] LCTSI: steven_h i'm looking at my lirc config, one second
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[08:06:00] Krazylegz: Time for bed, methinks.
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[08:08:00] steven_h: k, thanks
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[08:10:00] steven_h: LCTSI: don't bother, I'm sure it's not in there – IT must be somewhere in the setup screens, or in the source code. Thanks for the help, anyway.
[08:11:00] steven_h: gotta go now.
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[08:15:00] mrproper: Without a tunercard, how can I get myth to show me the TV listings?
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[08:23:00] UncleBill: hello friends
[08:23:00] Paradoxx: hiiideeoo...
[08:24:00] UncleBill: does anybody have any experience with the "mythtv filters for windows" project?
[08:25:00] mrproper: I am finding that hte MythTV frontend is slow. Is that normal?
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[08:26:00] mrproper: How are you supposed to do a keyword search with a remote?
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[08:28:00] mrproper: Hey slicer
[08:28:00] mrproper: Got a few for a coupleq uestions?
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[08:39:00] SlicerDicer-: good stuff
[08:39:00] SlicerDicer-: sure I got my cd drive working again
[08:39:00] SlicerDicer-: using scsi emulation
[08:39:00] SlicerDicer-: transcoding still does no work but hey
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[09:03:00] SlicerDicer-: is anybody awake?
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[09:38:00] UncleBill: is there a way to configure a given video to play with a specific soundtrack? likewise is there a way to configure a video to play with subtitles? I know I can configure a custom play command, but I was hoping for just setting the subtitle or language somewhere
[09:39:00] laga: i know it works for DVDs, you can specify the language code, dunno about avi files with multiple audio tracks. you could probably configure a button on your remote to switch the track
[09:39:00] UncleBill: alternatively, is there a keystroke in mythvideo to turn on subtitles and switch audio tracks?
[09:39:00] UncleBill: laga, how do you specify the language code?
[09:39:00] laga: UncleBill: refer to the documentation of your videoplayer software
[09:41:00] UncleBill: well, I notice the default settings in mythtv have an entry for audio track in the command. and there's another setting for subtitle. I figure there must be some way to use these
[09:42:00] laga: mplayer has some very good documentation
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[09:49:00] shodan: is there an eta to the next mythtv stable release ?
[09:51:00] SlicerDicer-: anybody familar with mythvideo? playing videos?
[09:51:00] laga: shodan: when it's done.
[09:51:00] laga: SlicerDicer-: well, it works for me. whats your issue?
[09:52:00] SlicerDicer: well...
[09:52:00] SlicerDicer-: I want to get it so I can put videos that I transcode by hand in
[09:52:00] SlicerDicer-: beings that I cannot get mtd working
[09:52:00] SlicerDicer-: I am going to hand transcode thigns
[09:52:00] SlicerDicer-: things rather
[09:52:00] laga: yeah
[09:52:00] SlicerDicer-: I just cannot seem to figure out why or what I need to do to get them to be seen by myth
[09:52:00] SlicerDicer-: what format does it read?
[09:52:00] laga: that's not hard ;)
[09:53:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh I know its not hard
[09:53:00] shodan: that's not an estimate
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[09:53:00] laga: mythvideo needs to scan your movie directory and put this stuff into the database.
[09:53:00] SlicerDicer-: shodan, ok how bout this answer 'SoonTM' :P
[09:53:00] SlicerDicer-: laga, yes but what formats of video will it see?
[09:53:00] SlicerDicer-: and how do I know where the movie directory is?
[09:54:00] laga: SlicerDicer-: i guess, everything. .avi, .mpg, .ogm...you can even specify own players for strange formats, like the SlicerPlaya for files with the .SlicerDicer extension ;).
[09:54:00] laga: SlicerDicer-: look in the setup for mythvideo, somewhere in the frontend
[09:55:00] SlicerDicer-: I think I know where tis at let me double check
[09:55:00] shodan: meh..
[09:55:00] SlicerDicer-: but regardless I have a AVI setting in there
[09:55:00] SlicerDicer-: and it wont see it
[09:55:00] laga: SlicerDicer-: did you rescan the movies?
[09:57:00] SlicerDicer-: umm is there something special I have to do to rescan them?
[09:57:00] SlicerDicer-: they are suposto be in /share/movies/dvd thats where I have a avi
[09:58:00] SlicerDicer-: how do I rescan movies?
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[09:59:00] laga: SlicerDicer-: umm
[09:59:00] laga: SlicerDicer-: i guess that's somewhere in the mythvideo settings, to
[10:00:00] laga: like 'rescan for movie'. dunno, i'm not using the english localization
[10:00:00] SlicerDicer-: well shit
[10:02:00] laga: there is a command line tool, too. but i'm afraid it's not in the main distribution, search the mailing list for it
[10:03:00] SlicerDicer-: I just subscribed it will take forever to search the mailing list by hand
[10:04:00] laga: SlicerDicer-: by hand? www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ i beliebe
[10:04:00] laga: believe*
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[10:06:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh well
[10:06:00] SlicerDicer-: I cant find it
[10:06:00] laga: umm
[10:06:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont even know what the hell I am looking for or what its called
[10:06:00] laga: you spent *2* minutes searching for it?
[10:06:00] laga: *snicker*
[10:06:00] laga: if at first you dont succeed, try harder, loser ;)
[10:07:00] SlicerDicer-: I am not going to sit there and search for shit that I dont know what the hell I am looking for
[10:07:00] laga: 'mythvideo scan' for something like that.
[10:07:00] SlicerDicer-: umm yeah I did....
[10:07:00] SlicerDicer-: do you think I am a fucking retard or something?
[10:08:00] SlicerDicer-: come on man.... give me a break
[10:08:00] laga: heh
[10:08:00] laga: calm down
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[10:09:00] SlicerDicer-: well I dont need the bs you think I did not search on how to do this? I have been fucking with mtd and the lot for 2 days solid now I am talking blowing the entire weekend
[10:10:00] SlicerDicer-: I cannot get it to see the videos now that I manually put one in the directory I transcoded by hand....
[10:10:00] laga: mtd != mythvideo
[10:10:00] SlicerDicer-: nevermind man
[10:12:00] SlicerDicer-: you said it was easy to do then said I dont know how to do it I pretty much dont have faith in your knowlege anyway I dont claim things are easy to do unless I know how to do it
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[10:13:00] laga: yeah, never fucking mind
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[10:13:00] shodan: it's funny how relative "easy" is
[10:13:00] SlicerDicer-: well I am serious
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: he said its not that hard
[10:14:00] laga: see, i'Ve got better things to do than walking you throu the fucking process of navigating thru mythfrontend
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: then said I dont know look in mythtv settings
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh yeah well considering that there is no scan option in mythvideo settings thats a huge help
[10:14:00] laga: and because you've been swearing at me i'm so not going to search for your mythvideo cli stuff
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: you think I havent looked all though it
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: laga, I was not the one who called somebody a loser
[10:15:00] laga: if i enter my 'videos verwalten' screen it automagically rescans for my videos.
[10:15:00] SlicerDicer-: do you want me to take a snapshot of my history from my browser and show you how much searching I have done on the matter? it should give you a idea I dont just jump in the channel and beg for help
[10:15:00] laga: SlicerDicer-: that was some kind of proverb. note the smiley there.
[10:15:00] SlicerDicer-: I am sorry but I do search and use this as last resort if I cannot figure it out
[10:16:00] laga: yeah, whatever
[10:16:00] shodan: SlicerDicer, it scans when you enter the video manager automatically , if it's not seeing stuff it's because you gave it the wrong path or you told it not to look for the file extension or it did find out but your filter are set wrong
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[10:16:00] SlicerDicer-: file extensions are set to be seen
[10:16:00] SlicerDicer-: the directory is what it says in the general settings for video locations
[10:17:00] SlicerDicer-: extension AVI is not checked to be ignored :/
[10:18:00] SlicerDicer-: well laga I owe you a apology it was a pebkac that happend to take place
[10:19:00] laga: np
[10:19:00] laga: off to clean my boots
[10:20:00] SlicerDicer-: it was /share/movies/dvd when it needed to be /share/Movies/dvd
[10:20:00] SlicerDicer-: I was being a moron
[10:21:00] shodan: it's always something like that , it's why helpers get burned out in high volume channels like this one
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[10:23:00] Jimmmy: when converting nuv's to avi's, is it best to use transcode or ffmpeg ? i have a pII 870MHZ with 512MB ram
[10:23:00] Jimmmy: pIII even
[10:24:00] shodan: what's the source codec ?
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[10:24:00] Jimmmy: the standard .nuv mythtv creates
[10:25:00] Jimmmy: from recorded shows
[10:25:00] Jimmmy: off my DVB card, mpeg2?
[10:25:00] shodan: they can be mpeg2 mpeg4 or rtjpeg
[10:25:00] Jimmmy: i think its RTJpeg
[10:25:00] shodan: ah ok mpeg2 , dunno I don't use that (mpeg2)
[10:25:00] Jimmmy: thats the other thing i didnt know, my DVB streams mpeg2, should i use rtjpeg or mpeg2 in mythbackend ?
[10:26:00] shodan: mpeg2
[10:26:00] Jimmmy: ok
[10:26:00] Jimmmy: its currently set on RTJpeg
[10:26:00] Jimmmy: so il change that.. but for ones that are in RTJpeg, transcode or ffmpeg ?
[10:27:00] shodan: I think like that it ends up recompressing mpeg2 to rtjpeg so that's no good you lose quality and cpu time
[10:27:00] shodan: i'd say transcode
[10:27:00] Jimmmy: k
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[12:55:00] Delgul: Hi all... I am trying to build mythtv on sarge using the http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian repository. Is this even possible, since it states unstable?
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[13:08:00] Randall64: Delgul: It's "unstable" in the debian sense, meaning it wasn't released several years ago.
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[13:11:00] IzNoGooD: I was wondering, is it possible to use a dvb-s card on the mythtv-frontend, when having a seperate mythbackend?
[13:13:00] Delgul: Randall64: Hmm...sarge was released last month... but you would recoomend me to upgrade to unstable and build from there?
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[13:18:00] Delgul: Randall64: and is "unstable" in this case since all the releases have shifted not "testing" for this repository?
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[13:44:00] IzNoGooD: ?
[13:45:00] Tommck: $
[13:45:00] IzNoGooD: :)
[13:46:00] Tommck: :-S
[13:46:00] ** IzNoGooD without words **
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[15:21:00] enyc: I'm a little confused by something <g>
[15:22:00] enyc: I need to know if mythtv and all its' plugins can work via directfb, without using X11 libraries or xdirectfb or x.org on the fbdev etc.
[15:22:00] enyc: please ;-)
[15:22:00] enyc: ;-)
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: There is a compile option in the mythtv configure script to use directfb for output, but I'd be suprised if it didn't still link to some part of X. Though it would be easy enough for you to find out :)
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[15:48:00] iceman: Need some assistance, want to add some African SatTV stations either XMLTV or DataDirect
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[15:57:00] enyc: GreyFoxx : kk but itf it liknks to xx11 somehwere, would it all still _work_ on the directfb without the x11 server running?
[15:58:00] enyc: greyfoxx: anyway Im gonig to play wth this later tonight etc I expect. I have matrox g400 tv-out working on RGB-scart that comes out really well on TV....
[15:58:00] enyc: greyfoxx: in directfb
[15:58:00] enyc: greyfoxx: and xdirectfb doesnt like me etc.
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[16:01:00] GreyFoxx: enyc: Linking to the X libs doesn't require X to be running when the app runs depending on what routines from the libraries are being used :)
[16:01:00] enyc: grey: heh thought so
[16:01:00] GreyFoxx: and You'll find out quick enough :)
[16:02:00] enyc: greyannoying the grentoo build for mythtv doesnt do directfb etc.
[16:02:00] enyc: Im goign to build it manually etc.
[16:02:00] jams: greyannoying ?
[16:03:00] laga: dont insult GreyFoxx!! ;)
[16:03:00] GreyFoxx: I don't think I've seen a prepacked version that does directfb since practically noone seems to use it
[16:03:00] GreyFoxx: though I'm sure you could patch the ebuild script and submit it to the maintainer :)
[16:03:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[16:03:00] GreyFoxx:
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[16:09:00] enyc: grey heh.. well the directfb is _just_ what works -really-well- and supports RGB tv out in excellent quality....
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[16:14:00] BillyBoBob: Not *exactly* a MythTV q, but very close: Using a Radeon 9200 (or close to it) with TV-Out, I have the problem (which google shows happens to quite a few) that you have to unplug the TV-Out while start X in order to get xv to play video on the TV-out
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[16:14:00] BillyBoBob: Anyone know of a solution? This seriously gets in the way of automated start up :)
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[16:17:00] GeckoFiend: BillyBoBob thew solution is to not use an ATI card for a Linux HTPC...
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[16:33:00] BillyBoBob: GeckoFiend: Heh, while that would work, actually all else is good about it and I already own it, so ATI it must be. There has to be — ultimately — a software solution to this.
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[16:37:00] stoffel: hehe
[16:37:00] stoffel: BillyBoBob: build a s/w controlled robot to unplug/plug the cable
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[16:38:00] mrproper: I installed MythTV last night and am finding the interface is awful slow. Is this normal behavior?
[16:39:00] enyc: Depends what system / way its setup / so_forth ;-)
[16:39:00] mrproper: 933MHz P3
[16:39:00] GreyFoxx: And some themes are slower than others
[16:39:00] mrproper: I'm not viewing any shows or anything.
[16:39:00] mrproper: But clicking down shouldn't taken .5 seconds.
[16:39:00] GreyFoxx: mr|venom: Try setting your theme to blue for instance
[16:39:00] mrproper: k
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[16:42:00] mrproper: Also...how do you do a search for programs if you have a remote?
[16:42:00] mrproper: There's no on-screen keyboard.
[16:43:00] mrproper: blue is a bit faster.
[16:43:00] GreyFoxx: I don't :)
[16:43:00] mrproper: ...so you can't search for programs if you have a remote?
[16:43:00] GreyFoxx: I doubt you can do a search without a keyboard
[16:43:00] mrproper: Oh man, that sucks.
[16:43:00] Beirdo: unless there's support for T9
[16:43:00] GreyFoxx: at least not something than requires you to enter alpha characters
[16:43:00] Beirdo: heh
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[16:44:00] mrproper: Why can't they put in an on-screen keyboard or whatnot?
[16:44:00] GreyFoxx: Because you haven't written it and submitted the patch yet
[16:44:00] stoffel: because 'they' don't need it?
[16:44:00] mrproper: I see :)
[16:44:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:44:00] Beirdo: good answers
[16:45:00] mrproper: Does anyone know if the PVR-350 will work stock with an Ubuntu Horay system?
[16:48:00] Randall64: inemo: the latter (since the former makes little sense)
[16:48:00] GeckoFiend: GreyFoxx LOL take a look at "program finder"
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[16:50:00] GeckoFiend: and the text entry box for the actual "search xxx" screens is a phonepad style entry (hit numbers on your remote to cycle through letters)
[16:50:00] Beirdo: wow, cool, I didn't realize that
[16:50:00] GreyFoxx: Nice! I never go in there hehe. I do all my scheduling in mythweb :)
[16:50:00] Beirdo: shows how much I use the frontend for scheduling
[16:50:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:52:00] GeckoFiend: BillyBoBob no actuyally there *doesn't* have to be a software solution for it. If you ask around and search the mailing list you'll find people advising you to steer clear of the ATI cards for TV out under linux.
[16:52:00] Beirdo: except crazy people like me who went and did it anyways
[16:52:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:52:00] Beirdo: it's finnicky
[16:52:00] ** GeckoFiend hasn't used MythWeb since .15 or so **
[16:52:00] Beirdo: with care, a modern Radeon will work fine
[16:53:00] Beirdo: but the nVidia will be a lot less painful
[16:53:00] BillyBoBob: stoffel: heh, I am considering it
[16:53:00] GeckoFiend: (as long as you don't mind unplugging your svideo cable now and then)  :-p
[16:53:00] Beirdo: I only use mythweb for scheduling.
[16:53:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:53:00] GreyFoxx: GeckoFiend: I hate scrolling through the EPG, but I also just find it easiedr to use mythweb. I often do it from work
[16:53:00] Beirdo: including from work
[16:53:00] Beirdo: oh damn.
[16:53:00] Beirdo: I haven't turned on the TV for a week
[16:53:00] Beirdo: I bet the stuff is piling up again
[16:53:00] CyberKnet: I need to get a whole bunch of digital channels out of my epg
[16:54:00] BillyBoBob: GeckoFiend: Sure there does. As far as I can tell, it is entirely xv choosing poorly
[16:54:00] CyberKnet: given that I never got my digital firewire hookup to work from myth =P"
[16:54:00] GreyFoxx: I've been using the Internal player with mythvideo lately and have crashed more in the last few days than I have in the last year heh
[16:54:00] BillyBoBob: GeckoFiend: OTOH, I am forever the optimist
[16:54:00] BillyBoBob: But I shudder to go plowing through that code...
[16:55:00] Beirdo: BillyBoBob: here's the brick wall, have fun smacking your head on it :)
[16:55:00] BillyBoBob: Mythweb totally rocks.... scheduling from work is soooo nice, and the interface is faster/easier then the built-in one, especially if you have a laptop with wireless in your tv-room anyway
[16:56:00] Beirdo: I dunno if it's faster or easier for everyone
[16:56:00] Beirdo: but it fits my needs better
[16:56:00] BillyBoBob: Beirdo: I guess it will feel nice when I stop smacking my head on it at least.... well, it is worth a few hours anyway
[16:56:00] GreyFoxx: I was using it with mythstreamtv as well, now I do it via commandline
[16:57:00] BillyBoBob: I actually run a second front end on the laptop, which is handy, but I do find mythweb to be quite handy.
[16:57:00] BillyBoBob: I find it easier to navigate around, etc.
[16:58:00] GeckoFiend: BillyBoBob more like ATIs closed source drivers choosing poorly
[16:59:00] Beirdo: what's to choose?
[16:59:00] Beirdo: give it one resolution, force it to always use it
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[17:00:00] Beirdo: or am I misunderstanding?
[17:00:00] Krazylegz: Crap. So, you guys are telling me now that I'll have problems with the tv-out on this Pundit-R?
[17:01:00] Beirdo: likely, you'll have to see
[17:01:00] Beirdo: it might work with a bit of convincing
[17:06:00] Krazylegz: I thought someone here was using it.
[17:07:00] GreyFoxx: a growls as he learns that when dealing with a QMap that if (mapname[key] == value) does not act as he expected
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[17:19:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: you use a lot of electrical test equipment/
[17:19:00] CyberKnet: ?
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[17:29:00] BillyBoBob: GeckoFiend: I am not sure about that. You could be right, it could be the ATI driver; at this point it is hard to tell who selects which display to use.
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[17:30:00] Beirdo: Xv overlay on ATI only goes on the primary display if I remember right
[17:30:00] BillyBoBob: GeckoFiend: One thing is for sure, it isn't *me* selecting :)
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[17:31:00] BillyBoBob: Beirdo: That is the claim. But even if you set it up to have the TV-out as the primary display, video it will still display on the other monitor unless you do the unplug-the-video trick
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[17:31:00] BillyBoBob: Beirdo: Well, with *some* ati cards anyway
[17:31:00] Beirdo: not for me
[17:32:00] BillyBoBob: Hmmm...you using ATI binary drivers, or open-source ones?
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[17:32:00] BillyBoBob: <open source ones won't work on my POS card>
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[17:33:00] Beirdo: the real ATI ones
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[17:33:00] CyberKnet: the ATI drivers, as opposed to the OSS driver for ATI cards.
[17:34:00] Beirdo: correct
[17:34:00] Beirdo: as bitchy as they can be, they work
[17:34:00] CyberKnet: I prefer the nVidia drivers.
[17:34:00] BillyBoBob: Those are what I am using; outside of the unplug the video thing, they work well
[17:34:00] Beirdo: meh
[17:34:00] BillyBoBob: well, the ATI control panel has some quirks, but on the whole I am happy with them
[17:34:00] Beirdo: always worked fine for me
[17:34:00] BillyBoBob: you are lucky with them..
[17:35:00] Beirdo: control panel?!
[17:35:00] Beirdo: WTF for?
[17:35:00] Beirdo: edit the config file by hand
[17:35:00] BillyBoBob: Handy for adjusting TV screen
[17:35:00] BillyBoBob: easier; I am lazy :)
[17:35:00] CyberKnet: thus, the price you pay
[17:36:00] BillyBoBob: mmm...the video out problem is unrelated
[17:36:00] BillyBoBob: to the control panel
[17:36:00] Beirdo: you don't know that
[17:36:00] BillyBoBob: Since I didn't discover the control panel until well after the video display problems, it is a safe bet..
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: the video out problem may be because Beirdo's @\\'350//.a hand tuned file is better than the output of the control panel app.
[17:37:00] Beirdo: ..|._ ?
[17:37:00] BillyBoBob: I think it is a particular oddity of the Radeon 9200 series; seen several other people had the exact same problem. Unfortunately, none gave good solutions...
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: why flip me off there, eh?
[17:37:00] Beirdo: my 9200SE worked fine
[17:38:00] BillyBoBob: bah, you are luckier then I
[17:38:00] Beirdo: what was the @\\'350//.a stuff?
[17:38:00] Beirdo: heh
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[17:42:00] CyberKnet: awesoma
[17:42:00] CyberKnet: REAL NINJA POWER!
[17:42:00] CyberKnet: *grin*
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[17:46:00] snL20: anyone else using a pvr350 ?
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[17:48:00] Krazylegz: Using it for what?
[17:48:00] snL20: can you tell me what version of ivtv you're using ?
[17:48:00] Krazylegz: No, I'm not using it yet. :-)
[17:48:00] snL20: oh :^]
[17:48:00] Krazylegz: Last time I think I used .15 or something like that.
[17:49:00] Krazylegz: Actually, I do have it working fine with whatever KnoppMyth R5A16 uses now also.
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[17:51:00] snL20: I cant get it working on slackware 10 with the 0.2.x stable drivers and latest mythtv
[17:52:00] CyberKnet: Hmmm. it would appear that Lowe's doesn't have a THQP250 in stock at my local store. :|
[17:52:00] snL20: all I get is noise
[17:52:00] enyc: Anybody else using mythtv solely on DirectFB ?
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[17:58:00] snL20: Krazylegz: where can I get knoppmyth ?
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[18:00:00] laga: snL20: www.mysettopbox.tv i guess
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[18:01:00] snL20: laga: ok, thanks
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[18:15:00] mogorman: hi
[18:15:00] mogorman: what is a good usb tv tuner for mythtv
[18:17:00] mogorman: possibly one with a remote i can control
[18:17:00] Qwell: good and usb shouldn't really be in the same sentence
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[18:17:00] mogorman: lol
[18:18:00] mogorman: firewire then?
[18:18:00] mogorman: no pci slots
[18:18:00] Beirdo: USB2.0 is fine
[18:18:00] Beirdo: plextor has a USB tuner that is supported
[18:18:00] Beirdo: past that, not sure
[18:19:00] Beirdo: the Hauppauge PVR-USB might be, I can't remember the progress
[18:19:00] mogorman: plextor usb
[18:19:00] mogorman: hmm thanks
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[18:19:00] Beirdo: it's an MPEG4 one, I think the support's ready
[18:20:00] Beirdo: the mailing list archives will likely tell you for sure
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[18:25:00] mogorman: mmm mpeg4 one
[18:25:00] Beirdo: ahoy there, xris, good morning to ye
[18:26:00] xris: are we doing pirate speak today?
[18:26:00] xris: avast, ye, kormoc....
[18:26:00] xris: I think we already had national "speak like a pirate day" this year.
[18:27:00] ** kormoc starts swabbing the decks. **
[18:27:00] xris: nope, I'm wrong. it's sept 19.
[18:27:00] xris: http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html
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[18:34:00] Beirdo: every day is talk like a pirate day when you play puzzle pirates :)
[18:35:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[18:35:00] laga: aye
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[18:45:00] xris: anyone here live in virginia?
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[18:46:00] Beirdo: not me
[18:46:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:46:00] xris: hmm, one per person. oh well.
[18:46:00] xris: school district in richmond will be selling off their ibooks for $50 apiece.
[18:46:00] xris: but you have to be there.
[18:47:00] kormoc: http://www.henrico.k12.va.us/ibooksalefaq.htm
[18:49:00] laga: 'first come, first serve' better get the boots out... ;)
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[18:50:00] Tommck: Is there a way to tell which card was used to record (or attempt to record) a show?
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[18:54:00] linuxbe: hi
[18:54:00] linuxbe: how do i fix the problem with cannot find -lmp4ff
[18:55:00] linuxbe: i have installed faad and copied the header files
[18:55:00] xris: run ldconfig?
[18:55:00] linuxbe: i did that
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[18:58:00] CyberKnet: xris: man. I wish I knew someone in VA too.
[18:59:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – in Virginia?
[18:59:00] Beirdo: is the library path in /etc/ld.so.conf?
[18:59:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: yes.
[18:59:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – why do you want to know someone there?
[18:59:00] Beirdo: http://www.henrico.k12.va.us/ibooksalefaq.htm
[18:59:00] Beirdo: that's why
[18:59:00] Beirdo: limit one per person. bah
[19:00:00] CyberKnet: to get a $50 iBook
[19:00:00] Tommck: hmm..
[19:00:00] kormoc: Beirdo, I figure ebay will be flooded on the 10th
[19:00:00] Beirdo: probably
[19:00:00] Tommck: I live in Maryland and work in VA ..
[19:00:00] Tommck: on Tuesdays
[19:00:00] linuxbe: where is the library located at
[19:01:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: feel like picking one up for us? P"
[19:01:00] kormoc: tomimo, my offer right now is I'll give you $75 for each, upto 2 of them :)
[19:01:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – I'm trying to see what town it's in.
[19:01:00] Tommck: VA is BIG
[19:02:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: heh =)
[19:02:00] Beirdo: not terribly big :)
[19:02:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:02:00] kormoc: Tommck, it's in the pdf
[19:02:00] rjune: kormoc: why do you figure ebay will be flooded?
[19:02:00] Beirdo: go look at the map of Ontario :)
[19:02:00] kormoc: Tommck, 361 Dabbs House Road, Richmond, VA 23223
[19:03:00] Tommck: richmond... yech
[19:03:00] kormoc: rjune, cause at $50 a pop, lots of people shall buy and try to make quick cash imho.
[19:04:00] Tommck: wow... that's really far.
[19:04:00] Tommck: that's about 130 miles from where I work :)
[19:04:00] rjune: AppleWorks? never heard of that OS
[19:04:00] Tommck: and I use a train to get to work
[19:05:00] kormoc: appleworks was apple's educational software, no?
[19:05:00] rjune: I thought Appleworks was Apples Office suite
[19:06:00] Beirdo: I believe rjune is correct
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[19:06:00] xris: rjune: no, it's their "works" suite.
[19:07:00] Beirdo: same thing :)
[19:07:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:07:00] xris: well, not traditionally, but yes.
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[19:09:00] rjune: effectively
[19:09:00] CyberKnet: lunch time.
[19:09:00] rjune: I don't much want an iBook.
[19:09:00] rjune: PPC is kinda cool and all, but for me its more a toy then a tool
[19:09:00] kormoc: $50 for a cool toy, sure thing!
[19:10:00] rjune: if you're close by
[19:11:00] kormoc: that's the point, helping the community out
[19:11:00] BillyBoBob: Would you use a chainsaw to cut moulding?
[19:11:00] xris: ahh... mythtv on osx. heh.
[19:11:00] Tommck: BillyBoBob – house moulding?
[19:11:00] BillyBoBob: iBook is a good tool for certain things, not other
[19:11:00] BillyBoBob: Tommck: yeah
[19:11:00] Tommck: nah... I'd use a circular saw
[19:11:00] kormoc: billvortex, I don't beleive that one could compair a ibook to a chainsaw, maybe to a nromal saw...
[19:12:00] Tommck: Chainsaw is too coarse
[19:12:00] kormoc: oops
[19:12:00] BillyBoBob: mythfrontend works pretty well on my Powerbook, haven't tried it on my iBook
[19:12:00] ** Tommck thinks this couldn't be much more off-topic ;) **
[19:12:00] kormoc: Tommck, so how about them cowboys in space?
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[19:12:00] Tommck: kormoc – huh?
[19:12:00] BillyBoBob: Point (rather badly made) was that different tools for different things;
[19:13:00] kormoc: * Tommck thinks this couldn't be much more off-topic ;)
[19:13:00] Tommck: DOes OS X run on these things?
[19:13:00] Tommck: kormoc – yeah, but what are cowboys in space?
[19:13:00] BillyBoBob: assuming they are of relatively recent vintage, yes
[19:13:00] kormoc: Tommck, it's running osx, 10.2.8 infact.
[19:13:00] Tommck: ahh..
[19:13:00] Tommck: duh...
[19:13:00] kormoc: Tommck, more off topic then computers.
[19:13:00] BillyBoBob: it runs fine on my 800MHz G3
[19:13:00] Tommck: RTFM :)
[19:13:00] BillyBoBob: (OS X, not myth. Dunno if mythfrontend runs on that machine...)
[19:14:00] Tommck: I always wanted to play with OS X, but didn't want to spend the ca$h on a Mac
[19:15:00] linuxbe: Could someone tell me where are the libraries located for mp4ff
[19:15:00] linuxbe: I get an error cannot find -lmp4ff
[19:15:00] rjune: linuxbe: locate libmp4ff
[19:15:00] rjune: you prolly don't have it installed
[19:15:00] linuxbe: I have run ldconfig and /usr/local/lib is installed
[19:15:00] xris: linuxbe: they're in the faad2-devel package for me.
[19:16:00] BillyBoBob: linuxbe: define 'where'; you mean in your filesystem?
[19:17:00] BillyBoBob: linuxbe: find / -name "*mp4ff*"
[19:18:00] linuxbe: where can i download faad2-devel package
[19:19:00] BillyBoBob: google, mon
[19:19:00] linuxbe: @ http://www.audiocoding.com/modules/mydownloads/ it has just the faad
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[19:25:00] rjune: linuxbe: what distro are you using?
[19:25:00] linuxbe: slackware
[19:26:00] linuxbe: i cannot find the source any where
[19:26:00] rjune: I do believe slack uses pkgtool
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[19:26:00] linuxbe: that right
[19:26:00] rjune: linuxbe: look in slacks precompiled repo.
[19:26:00] rjune: hint, look for faad
[19:34:00] linuxbe: could find only rpms for redhat
[19:35:00] laga: www.linuxpackages.net third party packages for slackware
[19:36:00] rjune: http://faac.sourceforge.net/
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[19:44:00] linuxbe: thanks the pkg from linuxpackages.net
[19:44:00] linuxbe: fixed the problem ..
[19:44:00] linuxbe: thanks laga
[19:45:00] laga: np
[19:45:00] laga: i know that i rock, no need to tell me ;)
[19:45:00] stoffel: hrhr
[19:45:00] ** laga kicks stoffel **
[19:45:00] stoffel: ouch
[19:45:00] laga: \o/
[19:46:00] Beirdo: oh oh...
[19:46:00] Beirdo: the Germans are fighting!
[19:46:00] laga: heh
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[19:46:00] Beirdo: how's the weather out there?
[19:46:00] laga: shitty
[19:46:00] stoffel: rainy/cloudy
[19:46:00] laga: yep
[19:46:00] Beirdo: we could use some of that
[19:46:00] Beirdo: we've had like 5mm of rain in the last 2 months or some such crap
[19:47:00] laga: w00t. i could've have used some of that while camping last weekend
[19:47:00] Beirdo: here, you can have the hot and muggy
[19:47:00] laga: nice, thank ya
[19:47:00] ** laga puts a rain cloud above beirdos head **
[19:47:00] stoffel: ok, gotta do some sports, bye
[19:48:00] laga: coding marathons aren't considered to be sports
[19:48:00] Beirdo: it's 91F at 30% today
[19:48:00] laga: neither are lan parties
[19:48:00] Beirdo: 33C + 30%
[19:48:00] laga: what's that in real units?
[19:49:00] Beirdo: use your calculator, silly
[19:49:00] laga:
[19:49:00] laga: styx:~# bc
[19:49:00] laga: bc 1.06
[19:49:00] laga: low battery
[19:49:00] laga: segmentation fault
[19:49:00] Beirdo: yeah, we had 34C + 90% last monday
[19:50:00] laga: sounds like an awesome day to be at work
[19:50:00] Beirdo: and I was outside emptying a storage locker most the day
[19:50:00] laga: ouch
[19:50:00] Beirdo: humidex of 43C
[19:50:00] Beirdo: blech
[19:50:00] Beirdo: today's much nicer
[19:50:00] laga: yep. first day ofmy 6 week vacations
[19:50:00] Beirdo: oh, and my TV hasn't been on since the Friday before last Monday
[19:50:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:51:00] Beirdo: I need to move the stack of shite from in front of it
[19:52:00] laga: heh
[19:53:00] laga: i'm going to clean my room tomorrow. this is going to be fun, especially because i dont want to get rid of my beloved old hardware
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[20:05:00] MrSpiffy: beir-do
[20:05:00] MrSpiffy: yo
[20:06:00] MrSpiffy: hey Beirdo, I'm thinking about putting together a gtk or gnome forntend for your nuvexport tool/s
[20:06:00] MrSpiffy: something like k3b
[20:07:00] Beirdo: umm, they are really xris' primarily
[20:07:00] MrSpiffy: ah
[20:07:00] Beirdo: and I personally think that's a flaming waste of time, but it's your time to waste
[20:07:00] MrSpiffy: a flaming one?
[20:08:00] Beirdo: use an xterm, it's menu-based anyways :)
[20:08:00] Beirdo: but it's your time to waste if you wish :)
[20:10:00] MrSpiffy: here's another thought – using a thin client as a set top frontend
[20:10:00] MrSpiffy: need one that has an nvidia w/tv-out
[20:11:00] GreyFoxx: MrSpiffy: Yup, several people do that now
[20:12:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, hardware recommendation?
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[20:13:00] GreyFoxx: Not really. Just about anything that has enough cpu to run the frontend and playback your stuff would do
[20:13:00] MrSpiffy: I think the tv-out will be the hinch pin
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[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: Well, I recommended nvidia cards in general for tv out since they are dead simple to configure
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: all of my pc based frontends have nvidia cards for them
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[20:15:00] MrSpiffy: think client may be cheap small and quiet
[20:15:00] MrSpiffy: a good choice for set-top
[20:16:00] GreyFoxx: sure. No reason for a full size case, or harddrives in a frontend only machine
[20:17:00] ** xris pokes kormoc **
[20:18:00] ** kormoc yawns. **
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[20:20:00] ** Beirdo sprays shaving cream into the open mouth **
[20:20:00] Beirdo: muhhahaah
[20:20:00] Beirdo: that stuff has to be useful for SOMETHING
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[20:30:00] ** kormoc spits out the cream. **
[20:31:00] CyberKnet: You'd think shaving cream would be good for shaving...
[20:31:00] Beirdo: nope
[20:31:00] CyberKnet: who'd have thought?
[20:31:00] Beirdo: shaving's for suckers
[20:32:00] CyberKnet: or those with corporate aspirations. oh wait, you said suckers.
[20:32:00] jonK: yes, and looking like the unibomber is for Beirdo
[20:32:00] Beirdo: hey!
[20:32:00] Beirdo: my beard is under control.
[20:32:00] CyberKnet: He's not the unibomber. He's the uniboner.
[20:32:00] jonK: you'd prefer any member of zztop?
[20:32:00] ** Beirdo slaps CyberKnet with the trout **
[20:32:00] Beirdo: jeez
[20:32:00] Beirdo: no
[20:32:00] CyberKnet: _.|.. =))
[20:32:00] Beirdo: think more like Commander Riker from STTNG
[20:33:00] CyberKnet: ahahaha
[20:33:00] CyberKnet: LMAO
[20:33:00] CyberKnet: rofl
[20:33:00] CyberKnet: *choke*
[20:33:00] Beirdo: what?
[20:33:00] ** CyberKnet rolls around the room laughing at the thought of Beirdo likening himself to Riker **
[20:33:00] Beirdo: not a long beard at all
[20:34:00] ** kormoc salutes #1. **
[20:34:00] ** Beirdo kicks CyberKnet while he's down there **
[20:34:00] CyberKnet: I've seen your picture, buddy =)
[20:34:00] CyberKnet: hah
[20:34:00] Randall64: no wonder Beirdo is always overacting
[20:34:00] Beirdo: that's an old picture, buttwad
[20:34:00] CyberKnet: You are to riker as I am to Shatner.
[20:34:00] CyberKnet: hah
[20:34:00] CyberKnet: which is to say, I shat all over your riker dreams =)
[20:35:00] CyberKnet: and then I remember this room is logged. darn it.
[20:35:00] Beirdo: hehe, he likes sheep does he?
[20:35:00] Beirdo: heheh
[20:35:00] ** Beirdo laughs at CyberKnet **
[20:35:00] CyberKnet: 's ok. It's now a searchable phrase
[20:35:00] CyberKnet: =)
[20:36:00] CyberKnet: And may I remind you that you are now logged as saying you think you look like *Commander* Riker; not Jonathan Frakes.
[20:36:00] CyberKnet: =)
[20:37:00] Beirdo: dumbass
[20:37:00] CyberKnet: And now, showing my nerdly origins, may I point you to the first season of ST:TNG where Frakes did not sport chin fuzz. =)
[20:37:00] Beirdo: how many people would remember the name of the actor before the character?
[20:37:00] MrSpiffy: he looked like a baby bill clinton
[20:37:00] CyberKnet: Anyone not infatuated with pie-in-the-sky dreams of flying around in space at FTL speeds.
[20:38:00] CyberKnet: =))
[20:38:00] Beirdo: ummm, not likely
[20:38:00] CyberKnet: YMMV.
[20:38:00] Beirdo: he wasn't in anything else of note
[20:38:00] Beirdo: non STTNG fans wouldn't even know his name
[20:38:00] Randall64: Gargoyles?!
[20:38:00] Randall64: surely you jest
[20:38:00] Randall64: Did you see the Enterprise finale?
[20:39:00] MrSpiffy: wtf did j frakes do before st?
[20:39:00] CyberKnet: What? He was in the 1980 TV show Beach Patrol!
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: He's mostly directing now
[20:39:00] Randall64: The one where they cast him 10+ years younger?
[20:39:00] CyberKnet: And he was on The Doctors!
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: I saw him on an episode of the Dukes of Hazard heh
[20:39:00] MrSpiffy: all headliners
[20:39:00] Beirdo: anyways, that's more like what my beard is like :)
[20:40:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: Have any experience with electrical testing tools? Trying to decide between AW Sperry and Gardner Bender
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[20:40:00] GeckoFiend: daaaaaaammmmmmn http://mosnews.com/news/2005/07/25/spammerdead.shtml somebody REALLY hates spam
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: Not a lot no
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: GeckoFiend: I was just reading that. Crazy
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: But for all the times I wished ":all spammers would die" sooner or later some nut was gonna do it :)
[20:40:00] Beirdo: wow, someone went totally postal on his sorry ass
[20:41:00] Randall64: vigilantes are dangerous
[20:41:00] Beirdo: you can't be American with that attitude
[20:41:00] ** Beirdo runs away **
[20:42:00] ** MrSpiffy laughs **
[20:42:00] MrSpiffy: spyware and virus authors too
[20:42:00] MrSpiffy: beat them
[20:42:00] MrSpiffy: if they die, they die
[20:42:00] Beirdo: drag em behind a city bus
[20:43:00] Randall64: what is this "virus" of which you speak?
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[20:43:00] vigilante: such a shame
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[20:45:00] beavis: can I set the compile type to profile?
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[20:51:00] mchou: this sucks! I bought a 300GB seagate drive. SMART shows: 78028358
[20:51:00] mchou: WTF???
[20:52:00] Beirdo: huh?
[20:52:00] Beirdo: shows that for what?
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[20:52:00] mchou: Beirdo: Raw_Read_Error_Rate
[20:52:00] mchou: sorry.
[20:52:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:52:00] Beirdo: ignore that if they are correctable
[20:52:00] mchou: piece of shit drive.
[20:52:00] xris: man, must give kudos to nextlink (http://www.nextlink.to/)... they use a funky mini-usb cable to charge their headsets, so I asked where I might get one. Apparently, you can't in the US, so they offered to send me one for free (way cool). Instead, they sent me a whole car-charger kit. sweet.
[20:53:00] Beirdo: from Tonga?
[20:53:00] mchou: it's the warmest drive I've ever had.
[20:53:00] xris: Beirdo: denmark
[20:53:00] Beirdo: mchou: maybe you just got a lemon
[20:53:00] aphid: hi – i'm having a hard time finding the option to enable/disable automatic transcoding. I must have found it once to turn it on, but now I need to turn it off.. does anyone know where it is? the online docs say 'host-specific settings'
[20:53:00] xris: dunno what's up with their domain name
[20:53:00] mchou: can barely touch it when it's running.
[20:54:00] mchou: Beirdo: No Conveyance Self-test supported.
[20:54:00] mchou: WTF??
[20:54:00] xris: but now I have two car adapters that put out USB power. heh
[20:54:00] ** Beirdo shrugs **
[20:54:00] mchou: Even cheap WD drives have that test.
[20:55:00] aphid: actually, even better.. is there a way to have mythtv transcode using nuvexport instead of the built in one?
[20:55:00] aphid: automatically I mean
[20:55:00] mchou: the drive is only up 22 hours and has 78028358 Raw_Read_Error_Rate
[20:56:00] mchou: I dont even know what that means.
[20:56:00] mchou: is it really the rate??
[20:56:00] mchou: or just number of raw errors?
[20:57:00] kormoc: mchou, raw errors, and it may just have been temp errors that worked the next try as well
[20:58:00] kormoc: mchou, look at the reloactated sector count
[20:58:00] ** Beirdo turns up the Tourniquet and drowns out the coworkers completely **
[20:58:00] mchou: there is nothing reallocated.
[20:58:00] kormoc: mchou, so none of them were really bad errors (yet)
[20:58:00] mchou: believe me I would have been even more pissed if that number >0
[20:59:00] mchou: lol. no really bad errors yet
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[21:00:00] kormoc: well, it's still a super high number, but that could just be normal for that drive
[21:00:00] mchou: fucking drive is crappy and it aint even been 24 hrs.
[21:00:00] MrSpiffy: anybody get a haup. mediaMVP working as a frontend?
[21:00:00] MrSpiffy: they're only a hunf=dre bucks
[21:00:00] kormoc: my 320's hover around 45 to 50.
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: MrSpiffy: I do
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: Works pretty well for what it does
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[21:02:00] mchou: plus smart is lying to me. That drive is much hotter than 38 degrees.
[21:02:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, I found this http://mvpmc.sourceforge.net/idx.php?pg=main
[21:02:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, so what can it do?
[21:02:00] MrSpiffy: ie, I'm recording mpeg4 max res.
[21:02:00] GreyFoxx: It wont play that
[21:02:00] MrSpiffy: rats
[21:03:00] MrSpiffy: has to be mpeg2 ?
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: mpeg1/2 and mp3's
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[21:04:00] MrSpiffy: oh
[21:04:00] MrSpiffy: hmm
[21:04:00] mchou: I think this drive is a lemon.
[21:04:00] Beirdo: it's possible
[21:04:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Yeah. sounds like it. take it back and get a replacement.
[21:04:00] mchou: Seek_Error_Rate: 1780783
[21:04:00] ** MrSpiffy racks his brain for a good inexpensove set top box **
[21:04:00] Beirdo: it doesn't sound like normal Seagate behaviour
[21:04:00] CyberKnet: mchou: And demand a discount for your trouble.
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[21:05:00] mchou: drive is screwed up.
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: mr|venom: The Epia M10000, is small, low power, comes with on board mpeg2 decoder and tv out. But you wouldn't be able to use the mpeg decoder so I'm not sure if it would have enough cpu to handle your stuff
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[21:07:00] aphid: hey.. im having trouble finding the auto transcode setting in the mythtv interface.. anyone know where it is?
[21:07:00] aphid: (yes, i've rtfm.. it's vague on this)
[21:10:00] rawdlite: aphid: check your recording profiles
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[21:11:00] aphid: rawdlite: that's where you can configure the profiles, but not where you toggle whether to auto-transcode or not. the docs say it's in "host specific settings", but I can't find that.
[21:12:00] mchou: sigh.
[21:12:00] rawdlite: well in my interface there is an auto toggle button for auto-transcode
[21:12:00] mchou: I just called seagate up.
[21:12:00] mchou: they say take it back and exchange it.
[21:12:00] Beirdo: there ya go :)
[21:12:00] Beirdo: it didn't sound right. the heat alone made me think that
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[21:12:00] mchou: now I'm convinced they have shoddy quality control.
[21:12:00] CyberKnet: mchou: *shrug*
[21:12:00] Beirdo: bah
[21:13:00] Beirdo: one drive doesn't make shoddy QC
[21:13:00] CyberKnet: mchou: We're Seagate fanboys here. You won't convince us.
[21:13:00] mchou: lol.
[21:13:00] aphid: hmm. maybe it's off the screen on my vnc client
[21:13:00] Beirdo: now if the next 9 drives are like that, well then...
[21:13:00] mchou: CyberKnet: you have smart ctl?
[21:13:00] mchou: smartctl*
[21:13:00] CyberKnet: mchou: I can't use smartctl on my drives on account of they are SATA
[21:14:00] Beirdo: I can on my ATA ones though
[21:14:00] mchou: CyberKnet: heh
[21:14:00] CyberKnet: mchou: =)
[21:14:00] mchou: Beirdo: try yours?
[21:14:00] Beirdo: https://www2.beirdo.ca/cacti/graph_view.php?a . . . p;leaf_id=78
[21:14:00] rawdlite: aphid: it is on the first screen of the recording profiles
[21:14:00] Beirdo: answer your question?
[21:14:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:15:00] mchou: Beirdo: which drive though?
[21:15:00] aphid: ah, its on the card, not the transcoder. got it – thanks
[21:15:00] Beirdo: all seagates
[21:15:00] rawdlite: you can also change it directly in the database, (i use mysqlcc)
[21:15:00] Beirdo: 80, 120, 200G
[21:15:00] Beirdo: sorry
[21:15:00] Beirdo: 80, 160, 200
[21:16:00] aphid: is there a way to get nuvexport to transcode shows automatically?
[21:16:00] mchou: Beirdo: if you touch those drive with your bare hands, can you hold on to them for more than 5 secs? (hot potato effect)
[21:16:00] Beirdo: yes
[21:16:00] Beirdo: easily
[21:17:00] Beirdo: they are at 40C
[21:17:00] mchou: mine is a hot potato
[21:17:00] Beirdo: about 105F or so
[21:17:00] mchou: my smart says 38C
[21:17:00] Beirdo: your smart is stupid
[21:17:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:17:00] mchou: but I know that's not right.
[21:17:00] Beirdo: your drive sounds fubar, bring it back
[21:17:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:17:00] mchou: the seagate guy gave mes some BS.
[21:18:00] mchou: 3rd party cannot identify parameters correctly.
[21:18:00] mchou: WTF?
[21:18:00] Beirdo: whatever
[21:18:00] Beirdo: they are reading the numbers from your fuckin drive, assmaster
[21:18:00] mchou: exactly!
[21:19:00] mchou: I'm gonna have to bring the knoppix liveCD and this smart printout to the store with me.
[21:20:00] mchou: cause I know compusa is gonna be dumbasses about it.
[21:20:00] Beirdo: they are dumbasses always
[21:20:00] mchou: I mean circuit city.
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[21:20:00] Beirdo: they are worse
[21:20:00] mrproper: Besides changing themes and upgrading hardware, is there anyway to improve the speed of the mythtv ui?
[21:20:00] mchou: sigh....
[21:20:00] GreyFoxx: mrproper: What window manager are you using ?
[21:21:00] mrproper: GreyFoxx, I'm using metacity on Ubuntu Linux.
[21:21:00] mchou: I wonder how I'm going to swing this.
[21:21:00] mrproper: GreyFoxx, But should the wm make a difference?
[21:21:00] mchou: I may have to buy another drive and return the other one.
[21:21:00] GreyFoxx: mrproper: Yes, some are much faster than others as well as much less of resource hogs
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[21:21:00] xris: mrproper: not the WM, but the desktop environment, yes. gnome has a lot of overhead.. (so does kde)
[21:21:00] kormoc: mchou, they have their no questions asked return/exchange thing, just walk in and just say, I wish to exchange this drive, it's broke, and they should.
[21:22:00] mchou: caus all my ythrecordings are on this 300GB drive.
[21:22:00] GreyFoxx: I have never seen metacity, so I don't know anything about that one
[21:22:00] mrproper: GreyFoxx, I know they both have a lot of overhead. But there's huge lag when changing windows and in general, interacting with the UI.
[21:22:00] mchou: kormoc: that's not the issue.
[21:22:00] mchou: I need to transfer the data to the new drive.
[21:22:00] mrproper: Also, can anyone tell me if there's a way to search through the programming using the remote (ie. typing)
[21:22:00] mchou: kormoc: cant return and get the data back :)
[21:23:00] Beirdo: buy a new one, take it home, transfer
[21:23:00] Beirdo: then return the fubar one
[21:23:00] mchou: Beirdo: that's what I'm thinking.
[21:23:00] Beirdo: and make sure they know it's defective, or some other reject will get it :)
[21:23:00] mchou: but there is one additional complication.....
[21:23:00] Beirdo: they likely will anyways
[21:24:00] mchou: there is a fucking rebate that expired Sunday.
[21:24:00] mchou: If I get new one I wont get rebate.
[21:24:00] mchou: this is pretty fucked.
[21:25:00] mchou: hmm, the receipt doesnt seem to show serial # though.
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[21:26:00] CyberKnet: mchou: ka-chink!
[21:27:00] mchou: CyberKnet: it might be in their system though.
[21:27:00] mchou: kinda hard to believe Circuit City doesnt track serial #.
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[21:28:00] CyberKnet: mchou: stranger things have been known to happen...
[21:28:00] mchou: sigh.
[21:30:00] mchou: OK, what do I do if the second one shows the exact same thing?
[21:30:00] mchou: return them both???
[21:30:00] mchou: (meaning temps & what not)
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[21:32:00] mrproper: Where can I submit bug reports for myth?
[21:34:00] GreyFoxx: mrproper: cvs.mythtv.org/trac I believe
[21:34:00] GreyFoxx: Be very specific, include all info on duplicating, etc etc
[21:34:00] mrproper: It's more a feature request.
[21:35:00] GreyFoxx: I think people use trac for that as well. Or email to the mythtv-dev mailing list
[21:36:00] mrproper: k
[21:37:00] mrproper: As a note, loading mythfronend without a wm or desktop (ie. Xsession) makes it a lot faster.
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[21:39:00] GreyFoxx: You will want a windowmanager of some sort, a low resource one . Otherwise you can run into focus issues anytime external apps are launched like xine/mplayer and such
[21:40:00] mrproper: So icewm even would work?
[21:40:00] mrproper: k
[21:40:00] GreyFoxx: That's what I use
[21:40:00] mrproper: When does it launch xine, etc?
[21:41:00] GreyFoxx: You can configure mythvideo and mythdvd to use external players
[21:41:00] GreyFoxx: most use xine for mythdvd and most use mplayer for mythvideo
[21:41:00] GreyFoxx: I use to use mplayer with mythvideo but now I use the internal one in order to try and track down all the bugs in it and make it more robust
[21:42:00] mrproper: This doesn't have a dvd player, but yeah.
[21:43:00] BillyBoBob: i'm using blackbox wm on this machine, seems to be pretty light
[21:43:00] BillyBoBob: esp with a simple theme
[21:43:00] mrproper: Yeah
[21:43:00] mrproper: I'm still not sure if I'm going to fully use MythTV, but we'll see.
[21:44:00] rawdlite: wmii would be my recommendation
[21:44:00] rawdlite: no need for a mouse
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[21:45:00] mrproper: wmii?
[21:46:00] rawdlite: small wm optimized for keyboard
[21:46:00] mrproper: Oh.
[21:46:00] mrproper: Is it even possible to have a keyboardless myth box?
[21:46:00] rawdlite: http://wmi.modprobe.de/
[21:47:00] CyberKnet: mrproper: research topics: lirc, "infrared keyboard learning remote"
[21:47:00] GreyFoxx: I don't usually have a keyboard on my main box. Though I have a USB one I plug in when I need to reconfig something that needs more input than my remote can give
[21:47:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I was saddened to hear that the niveus remote is no longer for sale :(
[21:47:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I procrastinated too long, it seems.
[21:48:00] GreyFoxx: noone has it anymore ? not even pcalchemy ?
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[21:48:00] aphid: we dont have a monitor or keyboard on our myth box.. even able to watch live stream over vnc
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[21:49:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: Nope.
[21:49:00] rawdlite: @aphid why do you use vnc ?
[21:50:00] aphid: latent masochism probably
[21:50:00] CyberKnet: aphid: nice double entendre =)
[21:50:00] aphid: the myth box is the the basement of a building across campus
[21:51:00] rawdlite: i have a mac osx powerbook running mythfrontend, that conncts to a gentoo mythbox
[21:52:00] rawdlite: no need for vnc
[21:55:00] aphid: i'm on a pbook too.. i should try that
[21:55:00] BillyBoBob: heh, I tried running it over vnc (tightvnc x server) on 802.11g, frame rate sucked ass :)
[21:55:00] BillyBoBob: using java vnc client to add insult to infury
[21:55:00] BillyBoBob: err, injury
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[21:56:00] BillyBoBob: but mythfrontent on PB works well; lets me watch something else while the g/f watches tv...
[21:56:00] rawdlite: aphid: just make sure mysql is set up for remote access
[21:57:00] ** CyberKnet emails niveus a nice "will you be making this again? we loved it!" email **
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[22:02:00] aphid: has anyone gotten CC working on a hauppauge 250?
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[22:06:00] aphid: closed captioning, not creative commons (which is also good)
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[22:15:00] amorphix: hi guys
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[22:28:00] abarbaccia: whats goin on all
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[22:30:00] GreyFoxx: abara: not a hell of a lot :)
[22:30:00] GreyFoxx: cept I think it's time to go home for the day
[22:30:00] amorphix: hi
[22:30:00] amorphix: so do you guys rate the bt484
[22:31:00] amorphix: i mean the bt848
[22:31:00] GreyFoxx: I haven't used one of those in years (at least not with mythtv)
[22:31:00] xris: image quality of bttv cards vary greatly between manufacturers, too.
[22:31:00] amorphix: it's pretty old isnt it
[22:31:00] amorphix: the quality of mine is superb
[22:32:00] xris: I thought mine was, too.. until I compared it with my pvr-150
[22:32:00] amorphix: but it cant do full screen without black borders
[22:32:00] GreyFoxx: amorphix: Plus the pvr cards come with hardware compression of the stream. The bt cards much be done in cpu
[22:32:00] amorphix: yeah it relies on the CPU
[22:32:00] amorphix: I think thats a good thing myself tho
[22:32:00] GreyFoxx: then you are welcome to use it :)
[22:33:00] xris: amorphix: you're in a minority, then.
[22:33:00] amorphix: im having trouble getting it setup
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[22:33:00] ** GreyFoxx goes home **
[22:33:00] amorphix: i decided to have a go earlier as although it worked fine in Windows i havent used it for a couple of years and ive since switched to Linux
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[22:33:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: So failing a Niveus Media PC Remote, are we just waiting for the next big thing to come along, or has it already come along and I just haven't heard about it yet?
[22:33:00] amorphix: laters GreyFoxx
[22:34:00] amorphix: is it possible to use MythTV to access live tv across a network?
[22:35:00] amorphix: to turn every puter into a TV screen using a single tv card?
[22:35:00] CyberKnet: amorphix: think about what yo uare asking there for a minute =)
[22:35:00] ** amorphix thinks **
[22:35:00] CyberKnet: "can I run MythTV to access live tv over a network?"
[22:35:00] amorphix: yes
[22:36:00] CyberKnet: not meaning to be rude, but that's a pretty basic question with a pretty obvious answer.
[22:36:00] amorphix: what is it?
[22:36:00] Beirdo: the answer is: that's the whole point...
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[22:36:00] amorphix: sorry im completely new to MTV
[22:36:00] Beirdo: backend for recording, frontend for playing
[22:36:00] amorphix: ahhh
[22:36:00] amorphix: i see
[22:36:00] Beirdo: they CAN be the same machine, but don't need to be
[22:36:00] CyberKnet: amorphix: that's okay. Like I said, I'm not trying to be rude or abrupt, just pointing it out.
[22:37:00] Beirdo: some reading of the docs will answer some of the mystery, I hope
[22:37:00] amorphix: k im feelin a bit dumb now
[22:37:00] CyberKnet: amorphix: You would likely find the following site exceptionally useful then: http://www.mythtv.info/
[22:37:00] amorphix: thanks
[22:37:00] CyberKnet: amorphix: no problem.
[22:37:00] amorphix: i will take a look
[22:38:00] amorphix: whats the patent issue and how does it affect MTV?
[22:38:00] Beirdo: ???
[22:38:00] Beirdo: what is this, an exam?
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[22:39:00] amorphix: heh
[22:39:00] amorphix: one thing that puzzles me
[22:39:00] amorphix: surely it's possible to access a video/tv card across a network with existing software without the need for MythTV
[22:40:00] Beirdo: not with all the scheduling, etc that MythTV provides
[22:40:00] amorphix: theres so many tv software apps, xawtv, zapping, tvtime, fbtv, to mention but a few
[22:40:00] Beirdo: very few options for that
[22:40:00] amorphix: oh
[22:40:00] Beirdo: as an integrated package, there are very few choices :)
[22:41:00] amorphix: if all you wanna do is watch live unadulterated tv across a network, MythTV is overkill tho right
[22:41:00] CyberKnet: amorphix: it might be.
[22:41:00] amorphix: im just wondering how i should setup my card
[22:42:00] amorphix: i have one of those cable tv services where you get a box that goes in one room and that means you cant watch tv anywhere else unless you have tons of cables etc
[22:42:00] amorphix: so i thought why not utilise my network and plug the cable box into my tv card
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[22:44:00] amorphix: one thing that bugs me about digital tv is the way you can't record different channels like you can with terrestrial tv
[22:44:00] adante: vlc maybe
[22:44:00] amorphix: i mean, digital tv is supposed to be an improvement on analog tv, so why such a handicap
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[22:45:00] Beirdo: to make them more money, etc
[22:45:00] Beirdo: and because of technical reasons
[22:45:00] amorphix: well you can record any channel, but it just means you need to be present to change the channels
[22:45:00] Beirdo: no
[22:45:00] Beirdo: you use an IR transmitter
[22:45:00] Beirdo: and mythtv tells the box to change channels
[22:46:00] Beirdo: then records
[22:46:00] amorphix: interesting
[22:46:00] Beirdo: same goes for satellite receivers
[22:46:00] amorphix: so the IR transmitter would be interfaced to PC, how?
[22:46:00] Beirdo: serial port
[22:46:00] amorphix: neat
[22:46:00] Beirdo: generally
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[22:46:00] Beirdo: google for ir blaster (I think it is)
[22:47:00] amorphix: and you guys are experimenting with this sort of thing already?
[22:47:00] Beirdo: there are people using it that have been doing so for years
[22:48:00] amorphix: why isnt the technology built into the digital set top boxes tho to change channels and take recording programs
[22:48:00] amorphix: its pretty simple thing to do eh
[22:48:00] Beirdo: why would the cable companies want to make it easier to record content?
[22:48:00] amorphix: good point
[22:48:00] BillyBoBob: hmmm...my digital cable box from a couple of years ago (scientific atlanta) had an ir blaster you could put in front of you vcr and it did exactly that
[22:48:00] BillyBoBob: it was a cable company supplied box
[22:48:00] Beirdo: maybe you haven't been paying attention, but that's the opposite of the current trend :)
[22:49:00] Beirdo: that's different, BillyBoBob
[22:49:00] CyberKnet: my digital cable box has a firewire port and you can change channel over it.
[22:49:00] BillyBoBob: it is what asked though
[22:49:00] amorphix: one thing that really pisses me off is tv adverts, they're getting more and more lame and seem to get louder every year
[22:49:00] Beirdo: yeah, newer boxes have the firewire stuff which CAN make it simpler
[22:49:00] BillyBoBob: you could actually point the cable boxes blaster at a Myth box and have it record
[22:49:00] amorphix: have you noticed how channels now are sync'ing their commercial breaks
[22:49:00] Beirdo: ummm
[22:49:00] Beirdo: no
[22:49:00] BillyBoBob: you can, in fact, do it either way around
[22:49:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: *can*. Not always. I still can't record from Myth =P"
[22:49:00] BillyBoBob: yes
[22:50:00] Beirdo: good luck with that, BillyBoBob
[22:50:00] CyberKnet: commercial breaks? What are these "commercial breaks" you speak of?
[22:50:00] amorphix: my setup box has a PC interface on it
[22:50:00] kormoc:
[22:50:00] amorphix: its all lies
[22:51:00] BillyBoBob: but your myth box won't know anything about what it is recording, of course
[22:51:00] amorphix: Area 51 is nothing but a food testing facility for McDonalds
[22:51:00] mchou: ok, I did some research on google re segate and smart. It looks like I'm not the only one with this issue.
[22:51:00] mchou: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=smartmontools . . . 7060&w=2
[22:51:00] mchou: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=smartmontools . . . 6559&w=2
[22:51:00] ** xris just noticed that j-rod|afk is back (sort of) **
[22:52:00] amorphix: in 2007 the UK will cease to broadcast analog tv signal
[22:52:00] amorphix: anyone who doesnt have a digital set top box will need to get MythTV
[22:52:00] mchou: a lot of ppl get seek errors and read errs with smart on seagate.
[22:53:00] amorphix: you guys should make a deal with the UK government you could make billions
[22:53:00] xris: amorphix: or a converter box
[22:53:00] mchou: especially drive>=250GB.
[22:53:00] amorphix: since most people have PC's but cant afford digital tv
[22:53:00] xris: amorphix: again.. converter box is cheap...
[22:53:00] amorphix: people wont pay tho
[22:53:00] xris: same thing happening in the US in like 2009 or so
[22:54:00] amorphix: the gov will have to subsidise all those boxes, MythTV could be a cheaper way
[22:54:00] xris: switch from analog to digital HD.
[22:54:00] mchou: either seagate is screwed, or smartmontools is screwed.
[22:54:00] xris: amorphix: mythtv would require purchasing a $100+ dvb card... converter box should be $25–50
[22:54:00] aphid: BBC is doing a lot of open source dev around video distribution
[22:54:00] amorphix: Seagate is finished init?
[22:55:00] amorphix: cool
[22:55:00] aphid: http://www.bbc.co.uk/opensource/
[22:55:00] mchou: sigh.....
[22:55:00] ** SlicerDicer waves at mchou **
[22:56:00] mchou: darn seagate drives.....
[22:56:00] aphid: they just opened up their scheduling API
[22:56:00] amorphix: BBC is commercial free still
[22:56:00] mchou: hi SlicerDicer
[22:56:00] aphid: do they have underwriting like pbs?
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[22:56:00] amorphix: whats pbs
[22:56:00] amorphix: BBC is funded by tax payers
[22:56:00] Beirdo: www.pbs.org
[22:56:00] Beirdo: sheesh
[22:56:00] amorphix: tv license tax
[22:58:00] mchou: I suspect seagate drives are worse than Western digital.
[22:58:00] amorphix:
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[22:58:00] vegbox: Anyone know if there is a way to speed up channel changing?
[22:58:00] amorphix: make all your channels into a favourites shortcut list
[22:58:00] mchou: amorphix: that's probably cheap if your programs donyt get interrupted by commercials
[22:58:00] amorphix: but the BBC is only 2 channels
[22:58:00] vegbox: Thats the only way
[22:58:00] vegbox: lol?
[22:58:00] amorphix: and theres not much on it really
[22:58:00] vegbox: i mean is it suppose to take 2–3 seconds?
[22:58:00] aphid: looking forward to their digital archive project.. i really want a copy of john berger's 'ways of seeing' series
[22:58:00] amorphix: seems a bit slow
[22:59:00] amorphix: the BBC digital channels are showing good stuff
[22:59:00] Beirdo: stupid internet
[22:59:00] amorphix: but these are freeview
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[22:59:00] mchou: I was watching Whale Rider on PBS last night, and they had a preview of Rupert Everett playing Sherlock Holmes.
[23:00:00] mchou: I couldn't believe it.
[23:00:00] amorphix: if tv comes onto the Internet with MythTV we may be able to watch any countries tv networks we want
[23:00:00] mchou: the previe was bad.
[23:00:00] amorphix: now theres a thought
[23:00:00] mchou: preview*
[23:00:00] mchou: everett was all dolled up.
[23:00:00] aphid: well, with projects like http://participatoryculture.org we won't need tv
[23:00:00] amorphix: is PBS the US equivalent of the BBC?
[23:00:00] mchou: amorphix: pretty much.
[23:01:00] amorphix: Sherlock Holmes was a fictional character
[23:01:00] mchou: I think Jeremy Brett was the definitive Sherlock Holmes.
[23:01:00] amorphix: what about Dr Watson tho?
[23:01:00] rawdlite: vegbox: AFAIK the channel change delay comes from the livebuffer
[23:02:00] rawdlite: so a faster filesystem helps
[23:02:00] amorphix: do you guys have Dr Who in US?
[23:02:00] mchou: Dr. Watson was Conan Doyle :)
[23:02:00] rawdlite: i see <2 sec with xfs
[23:02:00] amorphix: Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, didnt he promise to return from the dead
[23:03:00] vegbox: im gonna
[23:03:00] amorphix: i hope you guys over the pond get the new series of Dr Who later this year
[23:03:00] vegbox: use reiserfs
[23:03:00] vegbox: right now im using ext3
[23:03:00] amorphix: it's very good
[23:04:00] vegbox: man, fedora core 4 + mythtv = 30 minute set up
[23:04:00] vegbox: lol
[23:04:00] vegbox: but its not optimized
[23:04:00] vegbox: so i decided to go with the gentoo solution
[23:04:00] amorphix: 30 mins seems reasonable
[23:04:00] amorphix: ive known some people trying for weeks to get MythTV working right
[23:04:00] mchou: Whale Rider didnt stand up very well on a second viewing.
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[23:05:00] Beirdo: vegbox: oh, you are one of the riceboy-types?
[23:05:00] amorphix: haha
[23:05:00] vegbox: ohh
[23:05:00] amorphix: riceboy types
[23:05:00] vegbox: i love gentoo ricing
[23:05:00] vegbox: haha
[23:05:00] Beirdo: gotta tweak everything and slap the Type R sticker on your computer?
[23:05:00] vegbox: you gonna make me one
[23:05:00] vegbox: ill slap it on
[23:05:00] mchou: haha!
[23:05:00] vegbox: haha
[23:05:00] Beirdo: go to a riceboy-auto shop
[23:05:00] vegbox: haha i will
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[23:05:00] vegbox: man my other gentoo box
[23:06:00] vegbox: has been on for days
[23:06:00] Beirdo: they are all over the place
[23:06:00] vegbox: this fedora core mythtv box can only last like 2 days
[23:06:00] vegbox: at the most
[23:06:00] Beirdo: hah
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[23:06:00] Beirdo: my PVR's running FC1, and has been on for months
[23:06:00] vegbox: really
[23:06:00] vegbox: ?
[23:06:00] vegbox: lol
[23:06:00] Beirdo: yup
[23:06:00] vegbox: i think gentoo is easier to set up
[23:06:00] vegbox: anyway
[23:06:00] mchou: lol
[23:06:00] Beirdo: and only goes down if the power fails, or if I go to do an upgrade
[23:06:00] vegbox: just take awhile from source you nkow
[23:06:00] vegbox: lol
[23:06:00] mchou: gentoo easier to set up?
[23:07:00] Beirdo: gentoo is NOT easier to setup
[23:07:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:07:00] vegbox: i did it on gentoo
[23:07:00] vegbox: in an hour or so
[23:07:00] Beirdo: but if you like it, go nuts
[23:07:00] Beirdo: I used it for my asterisk box
[23:07:00] vegbox: after kde was compiled
[23:07:00] Beirdo: KDE. PAH
[23:07:00] vegbox: what
[23:07:00] vegbox: fluxbox
[23:07:00] mchou: lol.
[23:07:00] vegbox: im not that rice
[23:07:00] vegbox: lol
[23:07:00] Beirdo: for mythtv?
[23:07:00] mchou: how many weeks did that take? :)
[23:07:00] Beirdo: use ratpoison
[23:08:00] Beirdo: I went with stage1, BTW... on a Celeron 566
[23:08:00] mchou: for kde to compile?
[23:08:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:08:00] vegbox: i just got a sempron 3000+
[23:08:00] vegbox: for my mythtv box
[23:09:00] rawdlite: i tried vidalinux recently, when you want a gentoo system, this speeds things
[23:09:00] vegbox: kde took 8 hours with x and everything
[23:09:00] rawdlite: up
[23:09:00] vegbox: them myth itself took 20 minutes or so
[23:09:00] mchou: vegbox: on what CPU?
[23:09:00] mchou: on the 3000+?
[23:10:00] vegbox: yeah
[23:10:00] mchou: even 8 hrs is too long :)
[23:10:00] vegbox: for KDE?
[23:10:00] mchou: yeah.
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[23:10:00] vegbox: well kde and all the extras
[23:10:00] vegbox: games and shit
[23:10:00] vegbox: i was too lazy, and decided to let it roll
[23:10:00] vegbox: lol
[23:11:00] mchou: that's just silly.
[23:11:00] mchou: should have gone with precompiled distro then
[23:11:00] vegbox: its worth it
[23:11:00] vegbox: to have a ricebox
[23:11:00] mchou: sigh.
[23:11:00] vegbox: i gotta save that 3–5percent cpu load
[23:11:00] vegbox: man
[23:11:00] mchou: it aint rice unless it's got no fat
[23:12:00] mchou: and your's is WID_BODY
[23:12:00] CyberKnet: true dat!
[23:12:00] mchou: WIDE-BODY*
[23:12:00] CyberKnet: truth.
[23:12:00] CyberKnet: mah bizzle here is cazizzle.
[23:12:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[23:13:00] mchou: fucking seagate.
[23:13:00] mchou: I guess I'll keep this drive for a little bit.
[23:13:00] CyberKnet: fo shizzle.
[23:14:00] ** Beirdo farts **
[23:14:00] Delemas: eww
[23:14:00] CyberKnet: gah
[23:14:00] ** Delemas waves fan in Beirdo's direction **
[23:14:00] CyberKnet: word.
[23:14:00] mchou: but everyone seems to be getting MASSIVE seek and read error stats in SMART w/ seagate dirves >=250GB.
[23:14:00] CyberKnet: mchou: everyone?
[23:14:00] mchou: CyberKnet: pretty much
[23:15:00] mchou: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=smartmontools . . . 7905&w=2
[23:15:00] CyberKnet: mchou: How many people do you suppose put a weblog up to say "Hey, I just got this new drive, and guess what, there are no read errors with it!"
[23:15:00] Beirdo: maybe it's a SMART firmware issue in the drive's controller and there really is no errors going on
[23:15:00] mchou: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=smartmontools . . . 7905&w=2
[23:15:00] mchou: Beirdo: yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[23:15:00] mchou: or maybe smartctl needs to be "updated"
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[23:15:00] kormoc: mchou, what's that number again?
[23:16:00] Beirdo: could be
[23:16:00] CyberKnet: mchou: I'm not trying to be an ass, but really, nobody posts to say "Wow, this drive has very low read errors"
[23:16:00] mchou: kormoc: number for what?
[23:16:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: go for it
[23:16:00] Beirdo: hehe, get posting
[23:16:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: heh
[23:16:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: I can't. I smartctl doesn't work for my SATA drives on my current kernel.
[23:16:00] kormoc: mchou, of errors a second?
[23:16:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:16:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: And I'm not complaining, either.
[23:17:00] mchou: kormoc: read or seek?
[23:17:00] kormoc: read
[23:17:00] Beirdo: kormoc: cumulative or averaged over a period I think
[23:17:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: I will
[23:17:00] Beirdo: I wish S-ATA and smartctl would cooperate
[23:17:00] mchou: CyberKnet: so how do you really know if your SATA drives are any good?
[23:17:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: heh. I'm sure they'd appreciate your patches then! =)
[23:17:00] kormoc: I beleive the first error field he gave was average read errors per second averaged over the past 60 seconds.
[23:17:00] Beirdo: funk dat
[23:18:00] CyberKnet: mchou: I dont have any problems with them...
[23:18:00] mchou: CyberKnet: lol
[23:18:00] CyberKnet: mchou: And they don't run preceptably hot.
[23:18:00] mchou: CyberKnet: once more you prove you dont know what you're talking about.
[23:18:00] Beirdo: huh?
[23:18:00] CyberKnet: mchou: huh?
[23:18:00] Beirdo: he's saying HIS drives don't run hot, silly
[23:19:00] Beirdo: neither do mine
[23:19:00] mchou: Beirdo: [14:17:40] <mchou> CyberKnet: so how do you really know if your SATA drives are any good?
[23:19:00] mchou: I didn't ask him how hot his drives were.
[23:19:00] CyberKnet: *sigh*. mchou... you can't test ANY SATA drive under linux.
[23:19:00] CyberKnet: idiot.
[23:19:00] Beirdo: because they damned well work?
[23:19:00] CyberKnet: not with my controller.
[23:19:00] mchou: mine works too :)
[23:19:00] Beirdo: you can off a 3ware card, I think
[23:19:00] Beirdo: maybe
[23:20:00] mchou: doesnt mean they are good :)
[23:20:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: true that. Just not with the nForce built in SATA controller, which uses libata
[23:20:00] Beirdo: but not off our motherboards
[23:20:00] mchou: lol, you guys are funny.
[23:20:00] ** Beirdo takes the wiffle bat to mchou **
[23:20:00] CyberKnet: To my knowledge, anything that uses libata to my knowledge won't support smartctl.
[23:20:00] Beirdo: now WTF was I gonna go look up?
[23:20:00] CyberKnet: But it's been quite some time since I read the exact situation of what will and will not work, and why.
[23:20:00] mchou: Some SATA Seagate drives have been BLACKLISTED.
[23:21:00] vegbox: Gentoo!!!
[23:21:00] Beirdo: I opened a firefox window, then forgot
[23:21:00] mchou: google Seagate and blacklist.
[23:21:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Oh Nos! Sum1 Stoled yor megaHertZ!
[23:21:00] Beirdo: google blah blah blah
[23:21:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[23:21:00] mchou: more so than any other brand of SATA drives.
[23:21:00] Beirdo: work fine for me
[23:21:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: Wow. Some guy online said that we shouldn't breath oxygen!
[23:21:00] mchou: haha!
[23:21:00] aphid: what would it take to export closed captions to .srt?
[23:21:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: We should stop right now!
[23:22:00] Beirdo: the IQ level of the channel just dropped by 50
[23:22:00] Beirdo: aphid: dunno
[23:22:00] mchou: getting Blacklisted by kernel devs takes a lot.
[23:22:00] aphid: beirdo: would be pretty rad though
[23:22:00] mchou: of course it might just be a sil controller issue :)
[23:23:00] Beirdo: aphid: we look forward to your contribution
[23:23:00] Beirdo: :)
[23:23:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Wow. you think?
[23:23:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Once again you have proved that you must know everything.
[23:23:00] Beirdo: ahhhh.. 1h10min of metal
[23:23:00] CyberKnet: How could I doubt you with flawless logic like that every time.
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[23:34:00] mchou: diet coke with splenda tastes better than "older" diet coke with aspartame.
[23:35:00] Beirdo: diet coke tastes good at all?!
[23:35:00] Beirdo: put down the crack pipe
[23:35:00] mchou: diet coke with splenda actually doent taste bad at all
[23:35:00] Beirdo: and is less toxic than aspartame
[23:35:00] mchou: come pretty lose to regular coke.
[23:35:00] mchou: close*
[23:36:00] Beirdo: although still more toxic than white sugar
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[23:36:00] mchou: bah, white sugar is pretty toxic.
[23:36:00] Beirdo: yeah
[23:36:00] Beirdo: and splenda more so
[23:36:00] Beirdo: and aspartame... ICK
[23:37:00] mchou: aspartame is pretty bad.
[23:37:00] Beirdo: yeah.
[23:37:00] Beirdo: saccharine... now there's a lovely one
[23:37:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:37:00] mchou: splenda is a glucose "derivative," iirc.
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[23:37:00] Beirdo: yeah
[23:37:00] Beirdo: further processed white sugar
[23:37:00] mchou: sucralose*
[23:38:00] mchou: (looking at the label)
[23:38:00] mogorman: is there any place that has mythtv themes, looking for something different than the first 6
[23:38:00] Beirdo: gooooogle
[23:38:00] GreyFoxx: mogorman: There are not a heck of a lot of them out there
[23:39:00] mchou: mogorman: sure there are. you pay, you get.
[23:39:00] mogorman: that is what i thought
[23:39:00] mogorman: you pay?
[23:39:00] mchou: yup.
[23:39:00] mchou: forget the name of the outfit atm
[23:39:00] Krazylegz: What is a "group cloak"?
[23:40:00] mogorman: huh
[23:40:00] mchou: but there is a company that provides additional myth themes for a price :)
[23:40:00] ** juski wonders what's wrong with the existing themes... **
[23:40:00] mogorman: i se
[23:40:00] mogorman: e
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[23:40:00] mogorman: nothing, just dont look good on my monitor
[23:40:00] mchou: lol
[23:41:00] mchou: mogorman: take some screen shots of MCE and use them :)
[23:41:00] mchou: hehe.
[23:41:00] juski: as if MCE looks any good...
[23:41:00] mogorman: ewww
[23:41:00] mogorman: looking for something more like tivo i guess
[23:41:00] juski: ooo look the menus are animated (like WOW)
[23:42:00] GreyFoxx: yearsyearsyearsyears
[23:42:00] mchou: I dunno, MCE themes look better than the standard myth ones, imho.
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[23:42:00] mchou: But I'm no fan of MCE either.
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[23:43:00] mogorman: hmm i could have swarn there was tivo theme
[23:44:00] mogorman: somewhere
[23:45:00] juski: nope
[23:45:00] juski: you can make your own of course...
[23:45:00] juski: I mean, whaddya want for free? lol
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[23:46:00] mogorman: heh
[23:46:00] mogorman: i plan on it
[23:47:00] mogorman: but wanted to see if someone did it first
[23:47:00] mchou: having a real graphics artist working on myth themes cant hurt.
[23:49:00] CyberKnet: adios people.
[23:49:00] CyberKnet: You too, mchou.
[23:49:00] CyberKnet: =)
[23:50:00] Beirdo: what's this flute doing in this song?
[23:50:00] Beirdo: flute and metal just sounds so... odd
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[23:51:00] mchou: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4766556
[23:51:00] mishehu: never never never trust a klingon... you will will always regret it!
[23:51:00] mchou: interesting story
[23:51:00] mishehu: never never never trust a klingon... you will never forget it!
[23:51:00] vegbox: Is it hard to make a myththeme?
[23:52:00] Beirdo: dunno
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[23:53:00] juski: it's not hard to make a bunch of graphics...
[23:53:00] juski: putting it all together into a usable and user friendly menu system on the other hand... ;-)
[23:53:00] mchou: No, it's hard to make good graphics.
[23:54:00] Beirdo: not really
[23:54:00] Beirdo: not if you have the skill
[23:54:00] juski: mchou: true... but harder to make it all fit together
[23:54:00] aphid: the mythweb interface is pretty sweet
[23:54:00] Beirdo: just most geeks SUCK at it
[23:54:00] juski: you can't be good at everything, Beirdo ;-)
[23:54:00] Beirdo: we're better in general at writing sweet pieces of code, etc
[23:55:00] Beirdo: we need artsy-fartsy types for the graphics
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[23:55:00] juski: artsy-farty types who know their XML from their elbow
[23:55:00] Beirdo: nah, not for the graphical part
[23:55:00] Beirdo: that's where you help them out
[23:56:00] juski: yeh if you're any cop at xml...
[23:57:00] Beirdo: need to find someone with arsty-fartsy wife/GF/BF/whatever... then work together
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[23:57:00] juski: whoever did the skin for XBMC is very good
[23:57:00] Beirdo: and don't look at me
[23:57:00] Beirdo: I suck at graphical stuff
[23:57:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:58:00] Beirdo: I know what I don't like, but I can't really even give constructive criticism
[23:58:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:58:00] juski: don't get me wrong I love mythtv, but if it looked as good as XBMC... :D
[23:58:00] Beirdo: so get to work
[23:58:00] Beirdo: :)
[23:58:00] Beirdo: nobody's stopping you
[23:58:00] juski: I'll do it when i get round to it lol
[23:58:00] Beirdo: hehe :)
[23:58:00] Beirdo: yeah, I know how that works
[23:58:00] juski: too many little 'side' projects going on
[23:59:00] Beirdo: I have too many side projects being totally ignored
[23:59:00] Beirdo: one main project keeps me busy (and happy)
[23:59:00] LasseL: i downloaded a tv_grab_something file that I think will work for me, where should I put it — and how do I tell mythtv to use that ?
[23:59:00] Beirdo: although she'd kick my butt for calling her a project, I'm sure
[23:59:00] juski: now there's an open question, LasseL

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