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Friday, July 22nd, 2005, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:00] EL_Whistey: as to SCOTUS: when a less conservative government gets in again they just have to increase the size of the court to 9 or 11 justices.
[00:02:00] EL_Whistey: It's within their constitutional power, and it would prevent future conservative stacking of the court.
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[00:11:00] jonK: loooks like i missed all the fun
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[00:36:00] xris: laga: that's nuk-U-lar
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[00:57:00] abarbaccia: hey guys – hows it goin
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[01:07:00] safe: hey abar
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[01:17:00] diamon: Anyone have logging enabled on MythTV? I'd love to find out how long someone else's commercial detection takes to complete..
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[01:46:00] fatmatt: CPL? suburb?
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[01:57:00] Xoritor: is there anything special i need to do to get mythdvd to rip (other than put the dvd in)?
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[01:59:00] abarbaccia: Xoritor, nope – just make sure the device is correct in the settings, and if you want to transcode to xvid or other codecs – they need to be installed along with transocde
[02:00:00] Xoritor: it sees the dvd
[02:00:00] Xoritor: and all that... but i cant get past the screen for selecting the "titles" to rip
[02:00:00] Xoritor: should it autostart?
[02:00:00] abarbaccia: is mtd running?
[02:00:00] Xoritor: let me check
[02:00:00] abarbaccia: well,i dont hink mtd autostarts
[02:00:00] Xoritor: ps ax | grep mtd
[02:00:00] Xoritor: 2816 ? SNsl 0:16 mtd -d
[02:00:00] abarbaccia: alright
[02:00:00] Xoritor: are those the ok options?
[02:00:00] abarbaccia: and hit 0 t ostart the rip
[02:01:00] abarbaccia: yea -d means daemon
[02:01:00] Xoritor: k let me try that ... brb
[02:01:00] Xoritor: perfect
[02:01:00] Xoritor: sorry... must have missed the need to hit 0
[02:01:00] Xoritor: hahahah
[02:01:00] ** Xoritor is a moron sometimes **
[02:02:00] Xoritor: abarbaccia, thank you very much
[02:03:00] Xoritor: mythtv rocks sooo hard
[02:03:00] Xoritor: hehehe
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[02:03:00] abarbaccia: Xoritor, no problem
[02:03:00] Xoritor: you know if i could setup mtd to go across all of my machines in "cluster" mode?
[02:04:00] abarbaccia: um, unless they are in a clustre themselves no
[02:04:00] abarbaccia: what do you want to do? use ur other machines to help you transcode
[02:04:00] Xoritor: yea
[02:05:00] abarbaccia: ha
[02:05:00] abarbaccia: way too much effort for what its worth
[02:05:00] abarbaccia: i mean, maybe assigning each machine a differnet file would work
[02:05:00] abarbaccia: but 10/100 is way tooooo slow
[02:05:00] abarbaccia: wait – that was susposed to be a lot of 'y's on the way not 'o's on the too
[02:06:00] Xoritor: well i have gig
[02:06:00] Xoritor: gige
[02:06:00] Xoritor: hahaha
[02:06:00] Xoritor: still too slow over gige?
[02:06:00] abarbaccia: i mean, you could pull it off then
[02:06:00] abarbaccia: but how much of a benefit is it going to be
[02:06:00] abarbaccia: i mean, you're going to bog down all your other machines
[02:06:00] abarbaccia: just queue up like 5 movies and leave it alone for a day
[02:06:00] Xoritor: if i split it between 8 of them i should be ok
[02:07:00] Xoritor: oh
[02:07:00] Xoritor: ok
[02:07:00] abarbaccia: after it
[02:07:00] Xoritor: or i can have each of them do one at a time
[02:07:00] abarbaccia: rips one movie. you can take it out and start ripping another while it transcodes the 1st one
[02:07:00] abarbaccia: and it'll make a line
[02:07:00] abarbaccia: but dont do more than 5, it crashes it if you do
[02:07:00] abarbaccia: which sucks
[02:07:00] Xoritor: oh
[02:07:00] Xoritor: bummer
[02:08:00] Xoritor: thats ok though... its easy enough my wife can do it with the remote
[02:08:00] Xoritor: heh
[02:08:00] Xoritor: thanks again for the 0 thing
[02:08:00] Xoritor: hehe
[02:12:00] abarbaccia: no problem
[02:13:00] Xoritor: i wonder how mythtv would run on an openmosix cluster
[02:13:00] Xoritor: with a gfs filesystem
[02:13:00] abarbaccia: openmosix
[02:13:00] Xoritor: anyone here tried it?
[02:13:00] abarbaccia: beowolf?
[02:13:00] Xoritor: more of an ssi
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[02:14:00] Xoritor: http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/
[02:14:00] abarbaccia: hurm
[02:14:00] Xoritor: no need for it to be "cluster aware"
[02:14:00] Xoritor: it migrates to nodes as needed... and back and forth and back
[02:14:00] abarbaccia: sweet
[02:14:00] Xoritor: the issues i could see is hardware (where the tuner card is)
[02:14:00] abarbaccia: sounds like a fun thing to install on roommates computer while they are asleep....<evil laugh>
[02:15:00] Xoritor: bwahahahahaha
[02:15:00] Xoritor: i have been thining of doing openmosix in xen instances using the lvs stuff
[02:15:00] Xoritor: with a gnbd backend using a gfs filesystem
[02:16:00] Xoritor: i think this would be better for the hardware issues though...
[02:16:00] Xoritor: http://openssi.org/cgi-bin/view?page=openssi.html
[02:16:00] Xoritor: its an ssi cluster based on mosix (same thing openmosix is based on)
[02:16:00] Xoritor: but it goes further
[02:17:00] Xoritor: so you have cluster wide devices
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[02:18:00] ** Xoritor is a real nerd **
[02:18:00] Xoritor: hahahaha
[02:23:00] Xoritor: has anyone played with gfs and mythtv?
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[02:25:00] pce-matty: xoritor: openmosix + zen... got a little skunkworks project going here at work, but not playing with it at the moment
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[02:26:00] pce-matty: today i'm scripting up dvd burning for tv shows and then add a popbox entry to (tentatively) Watch Recordings
[02:27:00] pce-matty: one button tv show burning from myth
[02:27:00] Xoritor: pce-matty, very cool
[02:27:00] Xoritor: very cool indeed
[02:27:00] Xoritor: im probably going to set it up here at home... just to see what happens
[02:28:00] Xoritor: pce-matty, you looked into the openssi stuff?
[02:28:00] pce-matty: pce-matty: yah, but it's way down my to-do list
[02:28:00] Xoritor: heh
[02:29:00] pce-matty: gotta make a livecd with usb key support, p2p filesharing software and restricted-format video playback
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[02:30:00] Xoritor: hmm... what are you using to build it?
[02:30:00] pce-matty: our tech bay wants to give our home clients a safe porn browsing/p2p livecd so they don't fuck up their windows boxes
[02:30:00] Xoritor: LOL
[02:31:00] Xoritor: thats great
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[02:33:00] pce-matty: i love my work – we like to do things differently :) our windows boys are keen to get their hands on that euro non-media player enabled XP and create our own install with say winamp and ffdshow
[02:33:00] pce-matty: their motivation is simple: they're sick of spending all day removing spyware
[02:33:00] Xoritor: hahaha
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[02:41:00] Xoritor: ok
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[02:41:00] Xoritor: so i have the .vob file now... when does it transcode it down to .avi?
[02:42:00] Xoritor: hmm
[02:42:00] Xoritor: maybe its doing it now
[02:42:00] Xoritor: 2816 root 25 10 59324 13m 7436 S 3.0 1.4 1:56.21 mtd
[02:42:00] Xoritor: top does show it doing its thing
[02:44:00] paulweb515: That's good ... I have an older version of mtd, when I ripped a DVD it created them as VOB files
[02:44:00] paulweb515: They were MPEG-2 files, xine played them with no trouble
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[02:56:00] Xoritor: cool
[02:56:00] Xoritor: thx
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[02:59:00] Beirdo: the IAXy is here
[03:01:00] Beirdo: and it won't let me call out
[03:01:00] Beirdo: but I can call it :(
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[03:04:00] pce-matty: gah... painters have just redone the office door... now the office stinks of paint
[03:04:00] ** pce-matty starts to feel lightheaded **
[03:04:00] Chutt: why aren't there any good web-based book catalog apps
[03:05:00] pce-matty: coz amazon holds all the patents ;)
[03:06:00] Chutt: bah
[03:07:00] Chutt: i just want something like readerware, but all web-based
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[03:28:00] xris: heh. mythmovietime is kind of cool.
[03:28:00] xris: need to get it to download poster art, though.
[03:29:00] Esotericisms: I am having an issue with a remote frontend .. it doesn't play the video back very well ... kinda choppy
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[03:29:00] GeckoFiend: xris I'd like to add trailers to it too but I've been stick doing stupid shit for ages
[03:31:00] Esotericisms: it prebuffer pauses way too much
[03:32:00] xris: GeckoFiend: that'd be cool, too.
[03:32:00] xris: looks easy enough to add to mythweb, though.
[03:32:00] xris: will the backend automatically grab new stuff daily, or do I have to cron the filler script>
[03:35:00] GeckoFiend: xris you'll need to add mythfetchmovies to your crontab
[03:35:00] xris: easy enough
[03:37:00] xris: really want to know how some of these programs like gallery and jinzora do progressive display of pages... could add a "download new show data" button to mythweb.
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[03:41:00] xris: GeckoFiend: you think lxm would want an rpm of mythmovietime?
[03:42:00] GeckoFiend: I thought atrpms had made one
[03:42:00] Chutt: i want something that'll tell me what's being published by authors i've read before
[03:42:00] xris: not that I had seen
[03:42:00] Chutt: screw rpms =)
[03:42:00] xris: heh
[03:43:00] xris: nope, nothing listed at atrpms. but I'll send my spec over to axel once it's a little cleaner.
[03:43:00] xris: Chutt: how soon (or not) were you thinking of moving it into "plugins"?
[03:44:00] Chutt: i was hoping to have it be useful to more people first
[03:45:00] xris: well, it'd likely help it get packaged by people like axel if it was there (much like how moving mythweb out would)... but if it's going to be awhile, I'll send over my current spec and let axel deal with it.
[03:45:00] GeckoFiend: Chutt I know there's a grabber written that works outside the US, but I've not heard from the guy in a while. I'm suprised nobody has put a free one together for NA.
[03:45:00] xris: just didn't want to expend the effort if it was going to be wrapped into plugins shortly.
[03:45:00] xris: GeckoFiend: esp. with google doing movie reviews now
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[03:46:00] pce-matty: chutt: remember an old website called firefly? now that was a great way to find books and movies
[03:47:00] pce-matty: damn, that must be ten years ago now
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[03:47:00] pce-matty: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,21243,00.html
[03:47:00] xris: pce-matty: no complaints. I *just* cleared some gopher:// stuff out of my bookmarks a couple of weeks ago.
[03:47:00] Chutt: heh
[03:49:00] xris: GeckoFiend: any idea if movietime stuff can pull down URL's and the such? would be handy for mythweb.
[03:50:00] Chutt: hrmph
[03:50:00] Chutt: amazon.ca charges $10 canadian for shipping
[03:50:00] xris: ouch
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[03:57:00] Chutt: hrmph
[03:57:00] Chutt: this is really slow, going through authors, looking on amazon + scifan to see what's being published when
[03:58:00] Chutt: hrmph
[03:58:00] Chutt: steven brust's websites are down
[03:58:00] pce-matty: Chutt: i feel like posting off a book to you, i'll put it on my to-do list
[03:58:00] Beirdo: sloPP: you in?
[03:59:00] Chutt: naw, don't :p
[03:59:00] Chutt: i really have too many books already
[03:59:00] pce-matty: i could send you my Nortons Guide to DOS, you don't know what you're missing :)
[03:59:00] Chutt: that would be most excellent
[04:00:00] pce-matty: you collect books like me? partly for what they are, partly for what they actually contain?
[04:00:00] Chutt: naw, i just buy + read lots of scifi
[04:00:00] Chutt: http://www.mythtv.org/books/
[04:00:00] Chutt: and they fill up shelves
[04:01:00] pce-matty: well when i actually go home (instead of sleeping behind my desk), i'll see what i've got :)
[04:01:00] Chutt: naw, don't
[04:02:00] pce-matty: failing that, i'll send you a dxr2 card :P
[04:02:00] ** pce-matty is in a present giving mood **
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[04:08:00] pce-matty: heh, just sold a 'dvd-dupebox' for $1k
[04:12:00] pce-matty: now i've gotta make it – figuring ubuntu + restricted formats, boots straight to... xfce? use scripts from here: http://diy.prettymad.net/index.php/RIP_Shrink_and_Burn_DVDs
[04:12:00] rjune: Chutt: brust has a new book coming out?
[04:12:00] Chutt: i thought he was working on a new vlad book
[04:13:00] Chutt: but his website's down
[04:13:00] pce-matty: one big button on the desktop, and hell, i'll probably do video through tv out, he can plug it into his tv
[04:13:00] rjune: I thought so too. we have most of them now.
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[04:13:00] rjune: there's what 7 or 8 currently
[04:13:00] rjune: have you read to reign in hell?
[04:13:00] Chutt: check my url, i've got most of his stuff there, and all the vlad + related books
[04:14:00] pce-matty: i like quoting clients first and then working out the solution.... actually come to think of it $1000 (aus) is probably too cheap
[04:15:00] rjune: heh, you got the same ones we got
[04:15:00] rjune: have you read any of hte MTG based books? they're surprisingly good
[04:16:00] rjune: light read, but entertaining
[04:16:00] Chutt: i have _some_ standards
[04:16:00] rjune: heh
[04:16:00] rjune: it's better then most of the D&D stuff
[04:16:00] Chutt: i don't really read that, either
[04:18:00] rjune: you like Frank Herbert? or just the Dune stuff?
[04:18:00] Chutt: not much beyond it
[04:18:00] Chutt: i liked the ship series
[04:19:00] rjune: those were ok.
[04:19:00] rjune: Dosadi experiment specificly I was referring too
[04:19:00] Chutt: i read that too long ago to remember
[04:20:00] rjune: I liked that one.
[04:24:00] pce-matty: the xbmc crowd is a funny lot
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[04:39:00] GeckoFiend: Chutt ever readf the ringworld stuff?
[04:39:00] GeckoFiend: err diskworld
[04:39:00] Chutt: yeah, pretty much everything i read's on that page
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[04:42:00] mmead: mchou: yt?
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[04:52:00] wasabi: How do you all deal with multiople languages with videos?
[04:53:00] GreyFoxx: Don't think I've ever had to deal with that
[04:53:00] wasabi: What about subtitles?
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[04:58:00] GreyFoxx: I never have to deal with that either
[04:58:00] GreyFoxx: So I've never looked into any of it
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[05:00:00] pce-matty: my work shouldn't have a mythbox on display... it's there in the showroom running the projector, and people keep wanting to buy the fucking thing
[05:03:00] GreyFoxx: heh
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[05:05:00] ** NightBird is going to have a 100 gig hd for his myth box... **
[05:05:00] pce-matty: 100? not 1000?
[05:07:00] NightBird: well...
[05:07:00] NightBird: I just ordered a sata2 drive for my main computer, and I'll use it to replace the 100 gig ide drive thats in there right now
[05:07:00] pce-matty: ahh :) what brand of sata drive have you ordered?
[05:07:00] NightBird: (yeay for reusing computer parts)
[05:08:00] NightBird: Western Digital Caviar
[05:08:00] ** pce-matty is usually a Seagate kinda guy (5yr warranty for consumer drives) **
[05:08:00] NightBird: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144701
[05:08:00] NightBird: there were only 3 250 gig sata2 drives on new egg...
[05:08:00] NightBird: this was the one with the best rateing
[05:08:00] pce-matty: but seagate hdds don't play nicely with linux
[05:09:00] NightBird: really
[05:09:00] NightBird: well, it doesn't matter what I get, since this hd isn't going to be for myth
[05:10:00] GreyFoxx: I use seagate is pretty much all of my linux boxes except for one, never had a single problem with them
[05:10:00] pce-matty: hadees: regarding yesterday and alsa, Please use media-sound/alsa-driver rather than in-kernel drivers as there
[05:10:00] pce-matty: * have been some problems recently with the in-kernel drivers. See bug #87544.
[05:11:00] pce-matty: greyfoxx: some seagate models send back extended diagnostic info
[05:12:00] pce-matty: it's not a major drama, though i've seen some distros just choke... but i'm like you, i run seagate drives regardless
[05:13:00] GreyFoxx: Why would a distro have a problem with that as long as the kernel doesn't care? Or from some distro auto detection stuff ?
[05:13:00] ** NightBird can't wait for his hd and ram to get in... **
[05:13:00] GreyFoxx: Now, I don't run a distro that does any of that so maybe it's a bigger problem than I imagine
[05:13:00] NightBird: 2 gigs of ram comeing this way... yeay
[05:13:00] pce-matty: greyfoxx: google around a bit, there's a blacklist of sata drives for instance
[05:14:00] GreyFoxx: Ahh, ok. I've yet to venture into the sata waters, I'm 99% IDE , 1% scsi :)
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[05:15:00] NightBird: at work, I work mainly with Ide, a few times we've upgraded to sata, and noticed a massive improvement
[05:16:00] NightBird: I've used scsi on one computer, however that computer was really tempermental..
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[05:17:00] NightBird: it was fast....
[05:17:00] pce-matty: nightbird: though it probably won't the situation in your case, a lot of people see a huge improvement from sata simply coz sata drives use dma from the outset without needing to be hdparm'd
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[05:18:00] ** NightBird nods **
[05:19:00] NightBird: I know when I'm using my raptor drive, it's really fast
[05:19:00] GreyFoxx: you only need to use hdparm if the kernel doesn't auto detect dma abiltiies on the drive/controller or if your kernel isn't configured to use dma by default. Otherwise it will use dma right at boot
[05:19:00] NightBird: (too bad I can't get my wireless usb to install on the xp install on the raptor drive
[05:19:00] GreyFoxx: of course I have no idea what kernel options other distros put it by default
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[05:24:00] Qwell: damnit
[05:24:00] Qwell: MonMotha, come back!
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[05:34:00] interp: Wireless keyboard or Remote? Any wireless keyboard suggestions that work out of the box?
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[05:35:00] GreyFoxx: the wireless aspect of any wireless keyboard should pretty much be invisible to the system, it has no idea that it's not a regular keyboard
[05:36:00] xris: GreyFoxx: correct in many ways, but not.
[05:36:00] interp: Well thats nice to know.
[05:36:00] monkeyBox: Hey all. I'm trying to rip a dvd iso just by using "dd if=/dev/dvd of=test.iso". However, after only a short time I get an I/O error and it quits. Could this have anything to do with DRM?
[05:36:00] xris: since most keyboards these days (the usb ones, anyway) are no longer "keyboards" but "input devices" (it screws up many a kvm switch)
[05:36:00] xris: but that's just semantics. heh.
[05:37:00] GreyFoxx: xris: I've never seen a wirelss keyboard where the OS knew it was a "wireless" or needed that info to work with it. Only to know how to handle the media keys
[05:37:00] GreyFoxx: heh yeah
[05:37:00] xris: that much is true.
[05:37:00] xris: I was just being nitpicky. heh.
[05:37:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[05:37:00] xris: many multimedia keyboards show up as two separate devices.
[05:37:00] xris: totally screws up my kvm at work
[05:38:00] GreyFoxx: heh I bet
[05:38:00] xris: it *must* have a keyboard plugged into the "keyboard" usb plug, but for some reason it accepts a mouse...
[05:38:00] GreyFoxx: I only use the standard old keyboards, except for the gyration which has the media keys. Iv'e never bothered to set them up :)
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[05:38:00] xris: so my keyboard is plugged into the usb hub, mouse into the mouse port, and a second mouse into the keyboard plug.
[05:38:00] xris: and if I move that second mouse, it types.
[05:39:00] GreyFoxx: hahah
[05:39:00] xris: took me days to figure that out. and belkin tech support was NO help.
[05:40:00] GreyFoxx: I've yet to find any hardware tech support that had a clue other than sun and cisco. Usually it's just little call centres running troubleshooting scripts
[05:41:00] xris: our support is good. heh.
[05:41:00] GreyFoxx: I haven't had to deal with them :)
[05:41:00] xris: but only because we *must* be to stay competitive
[05:41:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[05:42:00] xris: we often know more about raid card and motherboard driver problems than the manufacturers do.
[05:42:00] xris: and have direct dial numbers to some of their driver developers now.
[05:42:00] rjune_: anybody know the mplayer option to play only 30s, then exit?
[05:42:00] xris: rjune_: there's a frame count option.. might work with seconds.
[05:43:00] GreyFoxx: xris: You are in the position to have more experience with their hardware than they are. They should pay YOU to be their teir2 or 3 support :)
[05:43:00] xris: we've considered it.
[05:43:00] xris: my boss (only half-jokingly) keeps talking about hiring the guy who writes libATA just so no one can claim something works when we know it doesn't.
[05:44:00] GreyFoxx: haha
[05:45:00] xris: instead, we got kormoc
[05:45:00] GreyFoxx: hahaha
[05:45:00] xris: man, and he's not even here to poke fun at.
[05:45:00] GreyFoxx: have you record it and email it to him!
[05:45:00] xris: heh
[05:46:00] xris: nah, he knows he's a great fit for his job... if nothing else, I'm apparently a good judge of character.
[05:48:00] GreyFoxx: We've got a guy in our department who had 3 interviews with various tech people ALL of which recommended against him being hired. Due to personality and lack of technical ability
[05:48:00] GreyFoxx: and of course he wanted more money than any of the people we did like
[05:48:00] Qwell: GreyFoxx: If it were my work, you'd have hired him
[05:48:00] GreyFoxx: But since some suit thought he was a good "business fit" he got hired against EVERYONES wishes *sigh*
[05:48:00] Qwell: s/you'd/they'd/
[05:48:00] Qwell: ha
[05:48:00] xris: GreyFoxx: that sucks
[05:49:00] xris: we're still too small to have politics like that.
[05:49:00] GreyFoxx: He's REALLY good and suit speak, so the suit loved him
[05:49:00] Qwell: GreyFoxx: we hire idiots all the time
[05:49:00] Qwell: people that can barely speak english...we put them on support too
[05:49:00] xris: and hopefully (and there's a good possibility) the upper management will continue being GOOD managers (having all worked in every aspect of this company and another like it before)
[05:50:00] GreyFoxx: this guy is a nice enough guy, just totally clueless, produces little to no work, if anything makes more work for the rest of us cause he breaks everything
[05:50:00] GreyFoxx: I've come close to quitting over it
[05:50:00] Qwell: GreyFoxx: Is his name Anand? :p
[05:50:00] GreyFoxx: no :)
[05:50:00] xris: GreyFoxx: sucks.
[05:50:00] xris: in my case, it was "you look busy, why not start interviewing for an assistant?"
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[05:51:00] xris: now, it's "you both look busy... maybe you need another assistant"
[05:51:00] GreyFoxx: and I can live with someone not knowing something, after all we gotta learn at some point. But after 6 times showing the same SIMPLE procedure and he still can't remember or do it right I'm done with him
[05:51:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[05:52:00] GreyFoxx: I was out to dinner with my ex boss tonight, he wants to hire me back
[05:52:00] xris: heh
[05:52:00] xris: nice to be in demand.  :)
[05:52:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, plus a guy I use to work for is working for the cable ISP I use to work for and wants me to come work on his team
[05:53:00] GreyFoxx: I just don't wanna go back to the cable ISP
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[05:53:00] GreyFoxx: but the other one is looking like a good option.
[05:53:00] xris: cool
[05:53:00] GreyFoxx: plus he is honestly the biggest unix geek I've ever met
[05:53:00] xris: jarod seems to be enjoying his new job.. keeps him busy, though. they've been flying him all over the place.
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: I've never come across any hardware, or unix related issue he didn't have an answer for
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: he use to come to me in the middle of a sunny afternoon and ask "why are you still here on a nice day like this? Go Kayaking and I'll see you tomorrow"
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[05:54:00] xris: I have friends like that. good friends to have.
[05:55:00] GreyFoxx: well that's good. Enjoying your job is key
[05:55:00] GreyFoxx: only reason I left that job was better money(much). But we';ve remained very good friends
[05:55:00] xris: very.
[05:55:00] rjune_: heh
[05:56:00] GreyFoxx: but now he's in a position to over me more so if all goes well I'll head back there
[05:56:00] xris: cool
[05:58:00] GreyFoxx: that reminds me , I need to backup all of my workstations and personal data heh
[05:59:00] xris: heh
[05:59:00] xris: I have that covered.. I *am* my offsite backup for work...
[05:59:00] xris: (I also control which code is allowed to be open source or not)
[06:00:00] GreyFoxx: me too, but I haven't backuped my work desktops in a while so I need to kick off an rsync heh
[06:01:00] xris: I finally just set up rsnapshot.
[06:03:00] ** pce-matty backs up with tar :) **
[06:03:00] GreyFoxx: My work desktops are the only ones I don't let run automatically. I have to setup a tunnel to reach them and since it's technically me bypassing my works security measures I want to keep that a manual process :)
[06:04:00] pce-matty: speaking of backups, anyone played with mondo ?
[06:04:00] xris: GreyFoxx: ahh. no real important data on my workstation. it all lives on my dev box, which is open to my ip at home
[06:05:00] GreyFoxx: I use to use my desktops as my dev boxes, but now I do most of my development in vmware sessions on my laptop
[06:06:00] xris: different kind of development, I guess.
[06:06:00] xris: esp. now that there are more than one of us.
[06:06:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[06:12:00] GreyFoxx: Man I hate it when I can't find an mp3 I want. or at least not one of the exact version of a song I want
[06:13:00] rjune_: GreyFoxx: whatcha looking for?
[06:14:00] GreyFoxx: Well, I heard it on a movie, so I made an mp3 snippet of it. Turns out to be "Thug N u, thug N me." by tupac. I've found a couple versions but none match what I heard on the movie exactly
[06:15:00] GreyFoxx: Not my usually fair, but I liked it :)
[06:15:00] GreyFoxx: http://pics.phaze.org/bbs2.mp3
[06:22:00] rjune_: do you know how to use mtd manually?
[06:23:00] GreyFoxx: I don't use it
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[07:33:00] soleblaze: I can't get datadirect working. it says invalid password. does it take some time for the zap2it website to let you logon or is it some other problem?
[07:33:00] Qwell: worked for me right away
[07:33:00] Qwell: its probably case sensitive
[07:34:00] soleblaze: I can log into the website
[07:34:00] soleblaze: just not into it with mythtv
[07:34:00] ** Qwell shrugs **
[07:34:00] soleblaze: yeah. pretty much heh
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[07:45:00] Krazylegz: Nobody in here is awake?
[07:45:00] Qwell: nope
[07:45:00] Krazylegz: Neither am I.
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[07:52:00] laga: *snore*
[07:53:00] laga: soleblaze: umm, did you use labs.zap2it.com to sign up?
[07:53:00] soleblaze: yeah
[07:53:00] laga: oh, ok
[07:53:00] soleblaze: and i can sign into the lab.zap2it site fine
[07:53:00] soleblaze: gonna try a numerical password and see if that changes anything
[07:54:00] laga: i wonder if it's the sad, old caps lock story ;)
[07:57:00] soleblaze: haha, it's not.
[07:57:00] soleblaze: i tried with/without caps..and i've logged on from two computers
[07:57:00] soleblaze: but a numerical password worked..which is odd
[07:57:00] Krazylegz: Umlauttes!
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[07:58:00] soleblaze: meh..ssh isn't working..heh
[07:58:00] ** pce-matty stretches and yawns **
[07:58:00] soleblaze: it's not my night
[07:58:00] soleblaze: power went off and nuked my os x drive..so i have to reinstall everything
[07:58:00] Qwell: soleblaze: tap your shift keys...sometimes mine act funky
[07:58:00] Qwell: and tapping them releases it
[07:59:00] pce-matty: qwell: stop eating at the keyboard :)
[07:59:00] Qwell: pce-matty: not the keys themselves
[07:59:00] soleblaze: yeah, iv'e seen that.. but no.. because it shows the password in plaintext when you put it in :p
[07:59:00] Qwell: soleblaze: oh
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[07:59:00] laga: Krazylegz: äöü.
[08:00:00] Krazylegz: laga: I thought maybe he had a funky character in the password.
[08:01:00] laga: heh
[08:01:00] laga: such things are bad in passwords
[08:01:00] Krazylegz: Indeed.
[08:01:00] Krazylegz: Though, I'd never guess that you had one of those characters in your password!
[08:01:00] laga: .oO(...let's change the system charset to utf8...)
[08:01:00] laga: boom.
[08:01:00] laga: hehe ;)
[08:02:00] Krazylegz: There ya go.
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[08:03:00] Krazylegz: I don't get this. My wireless network just dies randomly.
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[08:04:00] Krazylegz: Well, that gets annoying.
[08:06:00] laga: yep
[08:06:00] laga: fix yer connection, dude ;)
[08:07:00] laga: t-2h till summer vacation \o/
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[08:11:00] Krazyleg1: This is fun.
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[08:58:00] Krazylegz: Why doesn't this channel put the URL for the log into the topic?
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[09:15:00] pce-matty: work faster mencoder, work faster!
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[09:21:00] KaZeR: hey there.
[09:23:00] KaZeR: my mythbackend segfault sometimes when i use mythweb, is there anything i can do to track the problem ?
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[09:23:00] ** pce-matty rolls his eyes **
[09:24:00] pce-matty: nautilus died again
[09:24:00] ** pce-matty has lost his desktop **
[09:24:00] KaZeR: nautilus sucks a bit, imo :)
[09:25:00] pce-matty: kazer: yah
[09:25:00] pce-matty: just saw your q re: mythweb... pity xris isn't around
[09:26:00] KaZeR: yeah.. but i think it's rather backend related..
[09:27:00] KaZeR: because mythweb runs on another computer
[09:27:00] KaZeR: and basically just send queries to the backend
[09:27:00] KaZeR: right?
[09:32:00] pce-matty: not my area of expertise... does it segfault as soon as you bring up the mythweb homepage?
[09:32:00] KaZeR: no, it works most of the time
[09:32:00] KaZeR: but sometimes, oftently when i delete a recording, it segfault
[09:34:00] pce-matty: nope, 'fraid i'm useless to you on that one
[09:34:00] KaZeR: just in case, thanks anyway :)
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[10:04:00] stoffel: KaZeR: never happened here with mythbackend and mythweb running on the same machine. dunno if that could make a difference
[10:09:00] KaZeR: stoffel, i'm using mythtv since 0.14, and never had this kind of problem (and it happens with mythweb running locally too)
[10:09:00] KaZeR: i'm starting to wonder if this would'nt be a RAM pb..
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[10:38:00] Russ: couple things
[10:39:00] Russ: the fading of the OSD is too hard on my frontend, it makes the audio skip
[10:39:00] Russ: is there anyway to make it not fade?
[10:39:00] Russ: also, is there a key to go to the main menu? (it, watch tv, settings, etc)
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[12:12:00] Pendejo: Anybody an idea how I can change the tuner type (set in /etc/modules.d/ivtv) without having to restart the computer?
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[13:06:00] soleblaze: having problems connecting to the backend using a frontend from another computer (running os x) saying it couldn't connect to the database
[13:06:00] soleblaze: is this a problem with mysql settings or mythtv settings?
[13:14:00] crash-x: you have to setup your mysqld to allow connections from other hosts with your mythtv user
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[13:18:00] soleblaze: pretty sure it's setup that way.. of course..I'm trying to run the backend now and it's saying access denied to mythtv@tiamat
[13:18:00] soleblaze: pretty sure it would work if it was mythtv@local
[13:18:00] soleblaze: host
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[13:28:00] soleblaze: ok.. the sql script grants privs to localhost only..changed that
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[14:25:00] KaZeR: Pendejo, rmmod && modprobe ivtv tuner=xxxx
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[16:09:00] Pendejo: Kazer, thnx. But I found what I was doing wrong. after I changed /etc/modules/ivtv, i had to run modules-update to apply the changes
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[16:12:00] KaZeR: ok Pendejo fine
[16:12:00] KaZeR: :)
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[16:33:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:242: error: parse error before `*' token
[16:33:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:283: error: parse error before `*' token
[16:33:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:286: error: field `__user' has incomplete type
[16:33:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:286: error: parse error before `*' token
[16:33:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:290: error: variable or field `__user' declared void
[16:33:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:290: error: declaration of `int
[16:33:00] linuxbe: cdrom_generic_command::__user'
[16:33:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:283: error: conflicts with previous declaration `
[16:33:00] linuxbe: unsigned char cdrom_generic_command::__user'
[16:33:00] linuxbe: could someone tell me why this error
[16:33:00] linuxbe: shows up
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[16:34:00] stoffel_: no, but just this morning i compiled mythtv with gcc-4.0, no problems whatsoever
[16:35:00] linuxbe: i am using gcc version 3.3.4
[16:35:00] linuxbe: i have downloaded the source from cvs
[16:36:00] stoffel_: what source? mythtv cvs is outdated, use svn as described in http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/
[16:42:00] linuxbe: shall try that
[16:42:00] linuxbe: i guess i got the 0.18
[16:42:00] linuxbe: if i am not mistaken
[16:42:00] stoffel_: no s/t post 0.18. the switch to svn happened later
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[16:46:00] linuxbe: i would try downloading with svn
[16:47:00] linuxbe: right now
[16:47:00] linuxbe: and see if that makes the differenc
[16:47:00] stoffel_: but the error looks like coming from cdrom.h. maybe a version not compatible with mythtv
[16:49:00] linuxbe: i am using 2.6.12
[16:49:00] linuxbe: kernel
[16:49:00] linuxbe: i was thinking the same too
[16:50:00] linuxbe: i also copied the file from /usr/sr/linux/include to /usr/include/linux
[16:50:00] linuxbe: and that didnot make any difference
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[17:13:00] jonK: good morning
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[17:19:00] CyberKnet: morning jon
[17:19:00] linuxbe: good morning jon
[17:19:00] linuxbe: how is it going
[17:20:00] linuxbe: i still get the same error
[17:20:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:242: error: parse error before `*' token
[17:20:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:283: error: parse error before `*' token
[17:20:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:286: error: field `__user' has incomplete type
[17:20:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:286: error: parse error before `*' token
[17:20:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:290: error: variable or field `__user' declared void
[17:20:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:290: error: declaration of `int
[17:20:00] linuxbe: cdrom_generic_command::__user'
[17:20:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:283: error: conflicts with previous declaration `
[17:20:00] linuxbe: unsigned char cdrom_generic_command::__user'
[17:20:00] linuxbe: /usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:290: error: parse error before `*' token
[17:20:00] linuxbe: make[2]: *** [mythcdrom-linux.o] Error 1
[17:20:00] linuxbe: make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/mythtv/mythtv/mythsrc/mythtv/libs/libmyth'
[17:20:00] Beirdo: ummm
[17:20:00] linuxbe: make[1]: *** [sub-libmyth] Error 2
[17:20:00] linuxbe: make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/mythtv/mythtv/mythsrc/mythtv/libs'
[17:21:00] linuxbe: make: *** [sub-libs] Error 2
[17:21:00] Beirdo: use pastebin.ca
[17:21:00] linuxbe: any suggestions
[17:21:00] Beirdo: no more flooding
[17:21:00] Beirdo: please!
[17:21:00] stoffel_: lol, a many mythtv directories?
[17:21:00] linuxbe: sorry
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[17:33:00] BillyBoBob: Problem: While playing something back that was previously recorded, the front-end sometimes abruptly stops playing and drops back the the 'media library' page. No error given.
[17:33:00] BillyBoBob: Any ideas on what causes this kind of error?
[17:33:00] BillyBoBob: Or how to go about diagnosing it...
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[17:35:00] linuxbe: do you think it is just
[17:35:00] linuxbe: mythtv is not compatable with thish version of kernel
[17:36:00] GeckoFiend: linuxbe it's not myth that's the problem
[17:36:00] GeckoFiend: it's the kernel headers on your system
[17:37:00] linuxbe: any suggesions
[17:37:00] linuxbe: what could be donw
[17:37:00] linuxbe: http://pastebin.ca/18283
[17:39:00] Krill: how much bandwidth does the mythtv client use for a standard video stream?
[17:39:00] linuxbe: it is a 2.6.12
[17:39:00] linuxbe: kernel
[17:39:00] Krill: and is 802.11g fast enough?
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[17:39:00] linuxbe: 2.6.12 #1 Wed Jul 13 12:18:24 CDT 2005 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
[17:40:00] linuxbe: and i am using
[17:40:00] linuxbe: bash-3.00# cat /etc/slackware-version
[17:40:00] linuxbe: Slackware 10.1.0
[17:40:00] BillyBoBob: I was using 802.11g last night and it *worked*, but any intereference, etc you could probably get screwed pretty easily
[17:45:00] Krill: hmm ok
[17:45:00] didj: whass the updated-ness on slack like ?
[17:47:00] BillyBoBob: OK, what causes this backend error: WriteBlock zerocnt timeout
[17:47:00] didj: think the last time i used slack was v4
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[18:09:00] linuxbe: fixed it
[18:09:00] linuxbe: got it to work
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[18:20:00] stoffel_: linuxbe: how?
[18:20:00] travolta: updated-ness?
[18:20:00] didj: like, how up to date are the packages
[18:21:00] travolta: i have stock kernel with slack 10.1 and mythtv installed working
[18:21:00] travolta: i followed the howto at mythtv site and have a working mythtv setup
[18:22:00] CyberKnet: ditto.
[18:22:00] CyberKnet: I love my mythtv setup
[18:22:00] CyberKnet: even if it *does* run on fedora core.
[18:23:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:23:00] linuxbe: i was trying on the 64 bit
[18:23:00] linuxbe: and i could not get the plugins to work
[18:23:00] xris: CyberKnet: lol
[18:23:00] linuxbe: so i am trying to get it running on the 32 bit
[18:24:00] CyberKnet: xris: not that there's anything wrong with fedora core... but they seem to change things up quite a bit, and it's not so much a trivial task to update from one release to the next.
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[18:24:00] ** stoffel_ whispers debian **
[18:24:00] ** beavis whispers debian **
[18:25:00] xris: CyberKnet: it's not fedora that's the problem.. it's atrpms
[18:25:00] ** CyberKnet whispers that he tried debian and doesn't wish to go back there again. **
[18:25:00] Qwell: gentoo :p
[18:25:00] ** Beirdo flushes gentoo **
[18:25:00] CyberKnet: xris: Perhaps. I'm thinking I might ubunto or kubuntu next time.
[18:25:00] ** xris mumbles something about how gentoo should stop trying to be BSD and just admit that it's linux. **
[18:26:00] xris: wtf does "100% pure orange juice ... with other ingredients" mean?
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[18:26:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:27:00] stoffel_: haha
[18:27:00] CyberKnet: xris: that the orange juice they used to make it was 100% pure, and then the added stuff to it =)
[18:27:00] Beirdo: it means someone spat in it
[18:27:00] CyberKnet: but it started out pure!
[18:27:00] xris: just f'd up.
[18:27:00] CyberKnet: I wonder how the IRS would take to me reporting my income as 100% $0, with income added.
[18:28:00] xris: yeah
[18:28:00] xris: no kidding.
[18:28:00] Beirdo: they'd re-open Alcatraz
[18:28:00] xris: Beirdo: nah, they make too much off it as a tourist spot.
[18:29:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:29:00] Beirdo: good point
[18:29:00] Beirdo: they'd just send you to gitmo with the other fake terrorists
[18:29:00] Qwell: imagine how much they would make if it was a prison/tourist spot
[18:29:00] Qwell: I'd go if it were a real prison again
[18:29:00] Beirdo: the added income is for you to support terrorism, of course.
[18:29:00] Beirdo: it must be, nobody else would hide income.
[18:30:00] ** Beirdo snickers **
[18:30:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: a patriot certainly wouldn't
[18:30:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:30:00] CyberKnet: and if you're not a patriot, you have to be supporting the terrorists.
[18:30:00] CyberKnet: there is no middle ground.
[18:30:00] Beirdo: a patriot with money would have moved to the Cayman Islands years ago
[18:31:00] CyberKnet: I couldn't possibly begin to comment on that.
[18:31:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:31:00] CyberKnet: I'm sure you understand =)
[18:31:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[18:31:00] Beirdo: or to Scotland... ya freak
[18:31:00] Beirdo: :)
[18:31:00] CyberKnet: You know, it used to be that when old school was the current thing, we would say we couldn't say x, y or z on the internet because "the man" might be watching.
[18:32:00] CyberKnet: I pine for those days. Now he *is* watching.
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[18:32:00] ** CyberKnet watches that turn into a quotable quote **
[18:32:00] CyberKnet: afternoon kormoc.
[18:33:00] kormoc: Mornin'
[18:33:00] CyberKnet: or morning, be it as it may.
[18:33:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: You know, patriots wouldn't sleep in in the morning.
[18:33:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[18:33:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[18:33:00] kormoc: Good thing I'm a lowly minion, no partiotism needed!
[18:33:00] xris: CyberKnet: what does this have to do with football?
[18:33:00] CyberKnet: xris: lol
[18:34:00] CyberKnet: I said patriots, not Patriots =)
[18:34:00] xris: heh
[18:34:00] CyberKnet: However, your astute observation does not assuage the intensity of my ponderance.
[18:34:00] CyberKnet: =P"
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[18:40:00] xris: CyberKnet: except that I'd rather have a minion than a minion who aspires to be like a pro football player.
[18:41:00] jonK: mailx
[18:41:00] jonK: shit
[18:41:00] jonK: always in the wrong window...
[18:41:00] CyberKnet: xris: lol!
[18:42:00] CyberKnet: "It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety." – Isaac Asimov
[18:42:00] CyberKnet: Good news Beirdo. All you need to do now is work on the reputation for subtlety!
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[18:50:00] Beirdo: have a sheep
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[18:53:00] CyberKnet: =P"
[18:54:00] CyberKnet: oh come on. as far as burns go, that was pretty mild =)
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[18:57:00] xris: CyberKnet: maybe Beirdo has you confused with a kiwi....
[18:58:00] jonK: my minions are the summer associates
[18:58:00] Beirdo: xris: nah, Aussies like their sheep too.
[18:58:00] xris: haha
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[18:58:00] CyberKnet: xris: He does, but I gave up trying to convince him.
[18:58:00] CyberKnet: xris: a long, long time ago.
[18:58:00] xris: jonK: gotta love the cute young female ones.
[18:59:00] xris: trying to get ahead by being sexy....
[18:59:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: silly boy
[18:59:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: there you go as captain obvious again.
[18:59:00] CyberKnet: =)
[19:00:00] jonK: yeah, but the only young cute female one this year is married
[19:01:00] Beirdo: jonK: as long as you don't touch the merchandise, you don't have to buy it
[19:01:00] xris: jonK: well, it's not like you're allowed to play with them, anyway...
[19:02:00] CyberKnet: xris: for shame!
[19:02:00] jonK: sure you are... that's one of the reasons to have interns
[19:02:00] xris: (friend of mine works IT for Gibson/Dunn/Crutcher, they get lots of young ones every year, many of them really do seem to dress extra-sexy to get an edge up over the guys)
[19:02:00] jonK: did our former president teach you nothing
[19:02:00] xris: lol
[19:04:00] jonK: gibson/Dunn === Huge megafirm, I'll bet he gets to play with some cool technology
[19:04:00] jonK: if not with the summer associates
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[19:05:00] xris: (yeah, big firm — my dad has a cousin who is one of their top lawyers)... dunno about the tech — I think he spends most of his time dealing with video conferencing stuff, and complaining about secretaries who call him when their printers are blinking "pc load letter" — instead of calling the help desk.
[19:06:00] CyberKnet: hah
[19:06:00] CyberKnet: SecretaryIntelligence++;
[19:06:00] CyberKnet: =)
[19:06:00] jonK: at one point was considering joining latham and watkins
[19:06:00] xris: CyberKnet: you'll need a lot more plusses before he's happy
[19:06:00] CyberKnet: hah
[19:06:00] jonK: other big big LA firm
[19:07:00] CyberKnet: yep. I know of latham and watkins.
[19:07:00] xris: (my friend is in palo alto, though occasionally works in SF because his counterpart there is a dumbass)
[19:08:00] xris: he doesn't like it (despite being in agreement with their political views — they represent Bush), has been trying to find another job for ages.
[19:08:00] xris: anything to get away from secretaries.
[19:08:00] Beirdo: or at least get sexier secretaries
[19:08:00] CyberKnet: Yes.
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[19:11:00] xris: Beirdo: wouldn't be hard... these ones are apparently there to contrast the opposite end of the summer associates appearance scale.
[19:12:00] Beirdo: wouldn't do to have all the lawyers horny all year long
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[19:35:00] jonK: what are my first steps in getting the hd3000 to work? the descriptions at pchdtv.com are all geared toward using their drivers
[19:35:00] jonK: if I'm using the dvb frontend provided by the kernel,
[19:35:00] jonK: I'm unsure what to do next
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[19:41:00] mchou: jonK: more or less the same :) http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.4
[19:41:00] jonK: and btw, the secretaries are bad
[19:41:00] jonK: verybad choice
[19:41:00] jonK: there is a billing clerk though...
[19:41:00] mchou: jonK: how about paralegals? :)
[19:43:00] jonK: 1 — but it'd be a "mrs. robinson" sort of deal
[19:45:00] ** Randall64 installs XP 64 **
[19:45:00] mchou: og god.
[19:45:00] mchou: wth for??
[19:45:00] Pendejo: Are there any good sites on mythtv to improve picture quality?
[19:46:00] mchou: I have XP64 and there is no way i'm polluting my hard disk with it.
[19:46:00] Randall64: evaluating it
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[19:47:00] Randall64: flashed this peecee64's bios and it boots a lot more slowly now
[19:47:00] Randall64: I think it might be clocked down by default
[19:49:00] Randall64: It definitely beats linux in the ability to actually reboot category.
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[19:53:00] jonK: ls
[19:53:00] Randall64: rm -rf .
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[19:54:00] jonK: why do you mock me?
[19:54:00] Randall64: It's too easy :)
[19:54:00] jonK: that's a reason to not do it
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[19:54:00] Randall64: Anything worth doing ... isn't done on irc.
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[19:57:00] jonK: mchou neither dvb-kernel nor dvb apps will compile...
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[19:58:00] Vorik: hi!
[19:58:00] mchou: jonK: which kernel you using?
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[19:59:00] Vorik: I've got a little problem using mythtv using seperate front and backends
[19:59:00] Vorik: Backend = mandriva, mythtv .18, frontend = ubuntu, mythtv also .18
[20:00:00] Vorik: but I get the error that the server uses protocol version 17, and the client just understands version 15
[20:00:00] Vorik: anyone any ideas?
[20:00:00] Chutt: they're not the same version, then.
[20:00:00] Vorik: yes, but they are! That's the strange part!
[20:01:00] Chutt: no, they're not
[20:01:00] Chutt: else they wouldn't be using different protocol versions
[20:02:00] Vorik: but i installed the 18.1 packages on (k)ubuntu
[20:02:00] Chutt: and you're not using 0.18 on the backend
[20:02:00] Chutt: it's really quite simple
[20:03:00] Chutt: i don't understand why you're confused by this
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[20:03:00] Vorik: -07–22 20:02:41.354 Protocol version mismatch (frontend=15,backend=17)
[20:03:00] Vorik: the backend is using the highest protocol verion
[20:03:00] Chutt: yes, you said that
[20:03:00] Vorik: version
[20:04:00] ** Beirdo chuckles **
[20:04:00] mchou: sigh, some ppl need a cluebat :)
[20:04:00] Chutt: if you use the same version on both machines, you won't have a problem
[20:04:00] Chutt: you are not using the same version on both machines, so you _do_ have a problem
[20:04:00] Vorik: yeah, so that is the strange part
[20:04:00] Vorik: well, nevermind.. thanks for trying to help out.
[20:05:00] Chutt: all you have to do is use the same version on both machines
[20:05:00] Chutt: *trying* to help out?
[20:05:00] Chutt: i told you exactly what's wrong, though that should have been obvious
[20:05:00] Vorik: yes, and i've told you that both machines are version .18
[20:05:00] Chutt: if you're too obtuse to understand that you're running two different versions, and that they're not compatible with each other, than i don't think that's _my_ problem
[20:05:00] mchou: Chutt: only to some ppl apparently :)
[20:05:00] Chutt: NO THEY'RE NOT
[20:05:00] Chutt: protocol version 17 is _not_ 0.18
[20:06:00] Chutt: or 0.18.1
[20:06:00] Chutt: or 0.18.2
[20:06:00] Vorik: okay, i'll look into it again. thanks!
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[20:07:00] ** Vorik meant no offense to anyone **
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[20:10:00] mchou: haha!! Check this out: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4766544
[20:11:00] mchou: a Deceased "Do not call" list.
[20:12:00] FITH: So they actually spend money verifying that you're dead, instead of just letting it drop!?! Jeez.
[20:12:00] ** FITH goes through the dead parrot skit in his head **
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[20:13:00] mchou: my question is who they charge the $1 to?
[20:13:00] mchou: the dead person in question?
[20:13:00] BillyBoBob: Q: What causes this backend error: WriteBlock zerocnt timeout
[20:13:00] BillyBoBob: <as seen in logs>
[20:13:00] Randall64: bwahah, the first time I reboot into XP 64 the machine just powers down
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[20:14:00] Chutt: Vorik, where'd you get your rpm of myth?
[20:15:00] Vorik: I got a .deb, as I am a kubuntu user. It was not in the default repository.
[20:15:00] Vorik: I'll check.. just a sec
[20:15:00] Chutt: uh, for mandrake?
[20:15:00] Chutt: not for ubuntu
[20:15:00] Vorik: oh
[20:15:00] Chutt: that's why i said 'rpm', not 'deb'
[20:15:00] mchou: sigh....
[20:15:00] Vorik: no, the backend is Mandriva 2005. It is probably from plf
[20:16:00] mchou: lol
[20:16:00] Chutt: and is there an url for that?
[20:16:00] Vorik: i'll get it, one moment pls
[20:18:00] BillyBoBob: Problem: While playing something back that was previously recorded, the front-end sometimes abruptly stops playing and drops back the the 'media library' page. No error given.
[20:18:00] Vorik: mchou: If I was a mythtv guru, I wouldnt ask questions here. If I make you tired or annoy you by asking normal questions, i'm very sorry for you.
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[20:19:00] mchou: Vorik: I think you're over-estimating "normal"
[20:19:00] Chutt: ah
[20:20:00] Chutt: whoever does the plf crap is a fucking idiot
[20:20:00] Chutt: he's repackaging cvs and calling it 0.18
[20:20:00] mchou: hehe.
[20:20:00] FITH: Heh, 0.18...(ish)
[20:20:00] Vorik: really? that could be the problem then
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[20:21:00] Vorik: strange though that the protocol version goes to 15 on .18 then?
[20:21:00] Beirdo: plf = "Pretty Lame Fscker"?
[20:21:00] Chutt: it's 15 in 0.18
[20:21:00] Chutt: the protocol version has increased since then, obvious
[20:21:00] mchou: the version is specified on the rpm: 20050618
[20:21:00] Chutt: yeah, but it's certainly not 0.18
[20:22:00] mchou: plf==Penguin Liberation Front
[20:22:00] Beirdo: I like my definition better in this case
[20:22:00] Vorik: then it is unclear to me that it says that the backend protocol version is 17
[20:22:00] Chutt: because you're running something newer than 0.18 on the backend
[20:22:00] Chutt: Chutt he's repackaging cvs and calling it 0.18
[20:22:00] Vorik: ooohhh
[20:22:00] Chutt: you really are quite slow, aren't you?
[20:23:00] mchou: haha!
[20:23:00] ** Beirdo takes the crack pipe away from Vorik  :) **
[20:23:00] mchou: 3x for the normal mind :)
[20:23:00] Beirdo: gimme that, stop hogging
[20:23:00] Vorik: you really are quite friendly, arent you?
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[20:23:00] Chutt: i get annoyed when i have to repeat myself more than 4 times
[20:23:00] BillyBoBob: If you can answer my question, you can abuse me all you want
[20:24:00] BillyBoBob: Q: What causes this backend error: WriteBlock zerocnt timeout
[20:24:00] Chutt: billybobob, i'm just ignoring you because you keep repeating yourself
[20:24:00] mchou: haha!
[20:24:00] mchou: that's classic
[20:25:00] Vorik: well, thanks.
[20:25:00] Beirdo: Vorik: we are pretty friendly, yes :)
[20:25:00] CyberKnet: Almost as classic as ignoring someone because their name both starts with and ends with B
[20:25:00] CyberKnet: or for being redundantly redundant.
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[20:26:00] mchou: that's in keeping with "repeating himself"
[20:26:00] mchou: there is no contradiction :)
[20:27:00] CyberKnet: mchou: I was making fun of myself saying "Starts with and ends with"
[20:28:00] mchou: CyberKnet: you never answer my question re pny vid card warranty :(
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[20:29:00] mchou: answered*
[20:29:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Oh, I'm terribly sorry about that. What was your question?
[20:30:00] mchou: nah. I was just pointing pny warranty was a joke.
[20:30:00] mchou: "lifetime"==production lifetime.
[20:31:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Yes. If it is indeed only the lifetime of the product cycle, then I do agree it was a joke.
[20:31:00] mchou: oh, indeedy it is :)
[20:31:00] mchou: I even gave ya a link.
[20:32:00] CyberKnet: mchou: And subsequently, I wouldn't even begin to know where to recommend someone buy a card from. MSI and PNY have crap warranties, and in my experience BFGTech use inferior parts.
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[20:32:00] Beirdo: buy a card that doesn't fuckin break
[20:32:00] Beirdo: or don't expect a warranty :)
[20:32:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:32:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Well, what I mean by "if it was" is "If it is, and PNY enforce it" since in my case if I could have found a receipt they were going to replace it with a newer model card.
[20:32:00] Beirdo: I just toss my cards if they break
[20:32:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: Please start sending me your cards and the receipts =)
[20:32:00] mchou: CyberKnet: http://www.pny.com/support/warranty/?prod=verto
[20:33:00] Beirdo: hehe
[20:33:00] mchou: "(Lifetime is defined as the lifetime of the product on the market. Outdated technology is not covered by lifetime warranty if the item is no longer available on the common market as a new product.
[20:33:00] mchou: )"
[20:33:00] mchou: CyberKnet: Trust me, they enforce it.
[20:34:00] CyberKnet: mchou: You have experience with the sharp end of that warranty then, I assume?
[20:34:00] mchou: a friend does.
[20:34:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Yeah, I think they should reword their "lifetime" warranty.
[20:35:00] CyberKnet: mchou: I would very much like to find out why the picture from the PNY card I had was so much sharper than the picture from the BFGTech card I had.
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[20:35:00] mchou: CyberKnet: beats me.
[20:35:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Whether it was better quality components, or something else.
[20:35:00] CyberKnet: mchou: I kind of assumed it was just a better quality ramdac or something.
[20:36:00] mchou: dude, only way to tell is look at components on card.
[20:36:00] CyberKnet: mchou: But I don't profess to know too much about the components of video cards and what would cause the quality to be better or worse.
[20:36:00] BillyBoBob: Chutt, I keep repeating myself because no one ever answers
[20:37:00] BillyBoBob: Catch-22, see
[20:38:00] CyberKnet: Errr... that's not a true Catch-22
[20:38:00] BillyBoBob: OK, whatever
[20:38:00] CyberKnet: it's just a self fulfilling prophecy.
[20:38:00] BillyBoBob: OK
[20:38:00] BillyBoBob: Fine
[20:38:00] BillyBoBob: Whatever
[20:38:00] mchou: Beirdo: ppl have been know get upgraded cards because of lifetime warranties
[20:38:00] Beirdo: yeah
[20:39:00] BillyBoBob: I never was rute
[20:39:00] Beirdo: but I'll just go buy a new one
[20:39:00] BillyBoBob: s/rute/rude/
[20:39:00] CyberKnet: BillyBoBob: nor did anyone accuse you of being.
[20:39:00] BillyBoBob: I don't see why you have to be
[20:39:00] CyberKnet: BillyBoBob: It's not rude to point out something isn't a Catch-22...
[20:39:00] Beirdo: did you read the channel FAQ?
[20:39:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: let alone the channel topic
[20:40:00] BillyBoBob: CyberKnet: MMM...well, that depends on the context and culture, now doesn't it
[20:41:00] BillyBoBob: But, regardless, I would still love to have even a theory to:
[20:41:00] BillyBoBob: Problem: While playing something back that was previously recorded, the front-end sometimes abruptly stops playing and drops back the the 'media library' page. No error given.
[20:41:00] BillyBoBob: The only data I have is the back end logs, which say:
[20:42:00] BillyBoBob: "WriteBlock zerocnt timeout"
[20:42:00] CyberKnet: BillyBoBob: I would like to politely enquire why you believe that you would know the channel culture better than I when I have been participating here many orders of magnitude longer than you... not rudely mind you, I am just enquiring politely.
[20:43:00] safe: mythtv error reporting is almost non existant it could be due to strain on the cpu. someone else may know better and btw imo in no way is it rude to point out something is not a catch22 i didnt read what was said but think i got the jist
[20:43:00] BillyBoBob: Sigh, ok
[20:44:00] BillyBoBob: 1) I was not referring to the Catch-22 remark in the first place
[20:44:00] safe: it may however be rude for me to poke my head into the issue but it was in response to channel calture lol
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[20:44:00] BillyBoBob: 2) It doesn't matter
[20:44:00] BillyBoBob: 3) Fuck off
[20:44:00] safe: now thats rude 4 sure
[20:44:00] BillyBoBob: Yes
[20:44:00] Beirdo: oh now whos' being rude
[20:44:00] BillyBoBob: At least, there is no question
[20:45:00] crko: excuse me... can i use mythtv to broadcast only inside USA or in Europe too?
[20:45:00] Beirdo: to broadcast?
[20:45:00] Chutt: you can't use mythtv to broadcast anything
[20:45:00] Beirdo: not really
[20:45:00] crko: no... i mean to capture :)
[20:45:00] safe: both
[20:45:00] Beirdo: ahh
[20:45:00] Beirdo: you can capture pretty much anywhere with the right equipment
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[20:45:00] crko: anywhere in europe? (i live in slovenia)
[20:45:00] crko: :]
[20:46:00] safe: yes anywhere
[20:46:00] Beirdo: in theory
[20:46:00] crko: ah thanks very much
[20:46:00] safe: it depends on the setup you use
[20:46:00] Beirdo: you likely won't get guide info unless it's DVB and the stream is in there
[20:48:00] CyberKnet: BillyBoBob: is that all?
[20:49:00] BillyBoBob: CyberKnet: Naw, I just abandoned the though
[20:49:00] BillyBoBob: thought
[20:49:00] BillyBoBob: CyberKnet: Silly to continue anyway
[20:50:00] Beirdo: I think I missed the thought.
[20:50:00] BillyBoBob: CyberKnet: I know better then to engage in these sorts of things, I just slip occasionally
[20:51:00] BillyBoBob: Beirdo: I think you did
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[20:54:00] joruss: hello all.
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[20:55:00] mchou: hmm. Thai sounds good for lunch.
[20:56:00] joruss: When I use dvdrip it always rips to vob format, is there anyway to have it rip to divx form?
[20:56:00] Beirdo: man dvdrip?
[20:56:00] beavis: This adds a simple dtvrecorder based dummy recorder. It
[20:56:00] beavis: reads an mpeg file from the filesystem and sends it to
[20:56:00] beavis: a RingBuffer with some basic rate control.
[20:56:00] beavis: heh, cool
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[21:23:00] winga: has anyone gotten gl to work with knoppmyth and epia
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[21:55:00] GreyFoxx: -- Executing System("Zap/1–1", "/usr/local/bin/mythtvosd --template=cid --caller_number="XXXXXXX" --caller_date="22/07/2005" --caller_time="16:51:40" --caller_name="XXXXXXXXX" --bcastaddr="192.168.0.10" --"udpport=6948" ") in new stack
[21:55:00] GreyFoxx: Sent UDP/XML packet to IP 192.168.0.10 and port: 6948
[21:55:00] GreyFoxx: Mmmmm sweeet
[21:56:00] GreyFoxx: of course I had to hand compile mythtvosd to get rid of a lot of the libraries it had been linked too that didn'texist on that box but now my caller ID info is sent from Asterisk to my myth osd.
[21:56:00] Beirdo: haha
[21:56:00] BaZiL: anyone here know witch version of myth i should run to run the most stable one ? i get alot of problems with the newest one .. problems with fastforwarding among other things ..
[21:56:00] GreyFoxx: Too bad we can't currently have an OSD all the time, not just during video playback
[21:59:00] GreyFoxx: Hrm, I should look at supplying an image in the mythtvosd xml data and if it exist display that image when displaying the phone number
[21:59:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:00:00] Beirdo: make naughty pictures for when someone calls your 976 number?
[22:00:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[22:00:00] Beirdo: asterisk rules
[22:00:00] Beirdo: my zaptel cards are a bitch at times though
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[22:02:00] Shake: hi
[22:02:00] ** Beirdo shakes **
[22:03:00] Shake: have a small/big problem with mythtv. If pausing and later anpausing live tv, the play speed is much too high. any ideas? (Gentoo / 0.18.1 / BT848)
[22:03:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: heh, mine is a clone, haven't had any troubles yet
[22:03:00] Beirdo: both of mine are clones, and they randomly fuck up
[22:03:00] Beirdo: Shake: dunno, sorry
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[22:07:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: don't shake more than twice.
[22:07:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:07:00] CyberKnet: =)
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[22:08:00] GreyFoxx: Bah, ain't nothing wrong with playin with it, don't let anyone tell you there is ! :)
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[22:08:00] Beirdo: just not in public, you aren't Pee Wee Herman
[22:08:00] Chutt: hrmph
[22:08:00] Chutt: my dvi->hdmi cable's not here yet
[22:08:00] GreyFoxx: for your projector ?
[22:09:00] Chutt: yeah, just wanted to make sure hdmi worked on it
[22:09:00] Chutt: i've been using the vga input for myth
[22:10:00] CyberKnet: isn't the VGA input superior?
[22:10:00] GreyFoxx: no
[22:10:00] CyberKnet: oh
[22:10:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[22:10:00] GreyFoxx: DVI is digital, VGA is analog
[22:10:00] Chutt: analog vs digital
[22:10:00] Chutt: they'll both do the same res, though
[22:10:00] CyberKnet: bah. somtimes my stupidity amazes me.
[22:10:00] GreyFoxx: It's an easy mistake to make
[22:10:00] ** CyberKnet wasn't thinking of analog vs digital outputs **
[22:10:00] CyberKnet: I was only thinking resolution wise, sorry.
[22:11:00] GreyFoxx: Chutt: In the new mythui stuff, will there be the ability to have an OSD even outside of video playback  ?
[22:11:00] Chutt: not exactly
[22:11:00] Chutt: the same stuff's going to be drawing everything
[22:11:00] GreyFoxx: ok
[22:11:00] Chutt: so there won't be a separate osd
[22:11:00] GreyFoxx: gotcha
[22:12:00] Chutt: so, anything that's possible outside the menus should be possible during video playback, and vice versa
[22:12:00] GreyFoxx: nice
[22:12:00] Chutt: err, inside the menus
[22:12:00] Chutt: of course, that requires time =)
[22:12:00] GreyFoxx: hehe yeah, I know how rare that can be :)
[22:13:00] Beirdo: time? what's that again?
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[22:14:00] xris: man, no one tells me when my trac installation breaks.
[22:14:00] Chutt: people tell me :p
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[22:14:00] Beirdo: they probably tried to leave a ticket
[22:14:00] GreyFoxx: hahah
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[22:15:00] Beirdo: just like the lusers that email to tell you the mail server's down
[22:15:00] Chutt: i should check to see if they fixed the notification messages yet in tot trac
[22:16:00] GreyFoxx: You know it's funny,One day backl in '98 I reset a users email password and emailed him to let him know I had don't it.... took me a few seconds to realize :)
[22:16:00] GreyFoxx: don't = done
[22:16:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: well, one slip in over seven years isn't bad.
[22:16:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: At least you realized yourself =)
[22:17:00] GreyFoxx: heh yeah
[22:17:00] Chutt: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/changeset/2013
[22:17:00] Beirdo: I had a fun group reply fubar once :)
[22:17:00] Chutt: xris, that was probably the issues i was running into earlier
[22:17:00] Beirdo: the whole company got to laugh at me being a smartass
[22:18:00] Beirdo: the guy sent out something with "Come out and live the better, fitter lifestyle" for some company sports event
[22:18:00] Beirdo: I replied (with group, DOH)... "Sorry, I'd prefer the bitter, fatter lifestyle"
[22:18:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[22:18:00] xris: Chutt: no, apt grabbed a new version (actually older than my install) and it didn't recognize the db)
[22:20:00] Beirdo: I was kinda the president of the anti-social committee that year :)
[22:20:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: hah
[22:20:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: record attendance levels all year long ;P"
[22:20:00] Beirdo: the HR ladies knew better than to pester me with the United Way pledge forms too.
[22:21:00] Beirdo: I think the "Oh thanks!" RIIIIIP. gave them the idea
[22:21:00] Beirdo: if I wanna donate, I'll do it without the pressure tactics, thanks
[22:22:00] CyberKnet: imagine if you'd torn the paper instead of cutting a fart!
[22:22:00] enyc: Hrrrm... tell me.. Whats the 'channel frqeuency table' vs. whatever the "uk-Mendip" etc. are — maybe that is a frequency table [?]
[22:22:00] enyc: or is that some kind of 'dvb-t mux config' ?
[22:22:00] Beirdo: I did... I tore it to shreds and tossed it in the garbage...
[22:22:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: *sigh*
[22:22:00] enyc: and the channel freq. table says uhf 21 = this uhf 22 = this etc. etc. but doesnt relate to particular transmitter
[22:22:00] Beirdo: they didn't bother the next year
[22:22:00] BillyBoBob: ok, in libs/mythlib/util.cpp, in the WriteBlock routine, the error I am getting is the the server is writing to the socket, but writing zero bytes; it does this 200 times and gives up, causing my front end to bail
[22:23:00] CyberKnet: BillyBoBob: 3) Fuck Off
[22:23:00] Beirdo: next year it was "I guess I won't waste one of these on you, if you want one, come get it"
[22:23:00] BillyBoBob: Anyone have an idea why this would be so
[22:23:00] Beirdo: *plonk*
[22:23:00] enyc: not me ;-)
[22:24:00] BillyBoBob: i.e. what common causes of zero byte writes to a socket are?
[22:24:00] enyc: I need help with getting my mythtv working through knoppmyth or whatever ;-)
[22:24:00] GreyFoxx: Can't say I've ever noticed that particular error
[22:24:00] CyberKnet: BillyBoBob: I would imagine no bytes to send, or trying to send a null pointer might cause that.
[22:24:00] CyberKnet: BillyBoBob: Or if someone went and told the socket to fuck off and sucket... I bet that would do it too.
[22:25:00] BillyBoBob: CyberKnet: Hmmm, that is an intersting idea; I had assumed the front end was misbehaving, but the back end could be it...
[22:25:00] BillyBoBob: CyberKnet: Sucket, lol, never thought of that one before...
[22:25:00] BillyBoBob: nice pun
[22:25:00] BillyBoBob: lets say network failed for a second or three....
[22:26:00] BillyBoBob: wonder what would happen to an async socket write ...
[22:26:00] CyberKnet: BillyBoBob: patch it and see
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[22:26:00] CyberKnet: put in a patch, and pull the patch cable.
[22:26:00] CyberKnet: see how it goes.
[22:26:00] BillyBoBob: Maybe easier to pull a network plug and see what error I get...
[22:27:00] BillyBoBob: ah, doh, that is what you were say
[22:27:00] CyberKnet: BillyBoBob: duh
[22:27:00] BillyBoBob: I seen "put in a patch", was thinking s/w patch
[22:27:00] BillyBoBob: heh, too much software on the brain...
[22:27:00] CyberKnet: BillyBoBob: likely a s/w patch would make it easier to see what is going on too.....
[22:27:00] rjune: if in transcode, I specirfy a bitrate of 1200kb/s, the file will be the same size whether it's 640x480 resolution or 800x600 resolution, right?
[22:28:00] CyberKnet: rjune: correct.
[22:28:00] CyberKnet: rjune: you are specifyin the bit rate, after all.
[22:28:00] Beirdo: +/- a few bytes, should be
[22:28:00] CyberKnet: rjune: the 640x480 file will have a higher quality when displayed at 640x480
[22:28:00] CyberKnet: rjune: simply because there were more bits / pixel available to it.
[22:29:00] CyberKnet: bits / pixel / second, even.
[22:29:00] rjune: CyberKnet: I thought so, I just wanted to verify
[22:29:00] CyberKnet: rjune: Yep. no worries. Just trying to help.
[22:29:00] rjune: I'm tryin to work out how myth does the transcoding
[22:29:00] CyberKnet: rjune: input -> processing -> output .... =P"
[22:30:00] rjune: I've seen some of the stuff online, and a 40 minute episode works out to about 350MB, I've not been able to get near that quality @ the same resolution
[22:30:00] jonK: a.k.a. input --> blackbox --> output
[22:30:00] CyberKnet: jonK: yeah. that's how I treat it. =)
[22:30:00] CyberKnet: jonK: ever get both tuners on each card working?
[22:30:00] Beirdo: input -> magic -> output
[22:30:00] CyberKnet: any sufficiently advanced technology is indestinguishable from magic.
[22:31:00] CyberKnet: s/des/dis/
[22:31:00] rjune: if anybody knows how to get good qualtiy out of transcode, I'm willing to listen
[22:31:00] jonK: inventors do that to me all time — "magic go here"
[22:31:00] CyberKnet: jonK: per the old saying .... 1) Start business; 2) ????????; 3) Profit!
[22:32:00] GreyFoxx: rjune: A lot of that has to do with the source signal and how clean it is (makes a big difference) and any kind of filters/requantization they are doing during the conversion. Unfortunately most of the groups that produce those files keep those as trade secrets :)
[22:33:00] rjune: GreyFoxx: rip straight from a DVD. I was importing my DVDs and not so thrilled with the quality
[22:33:00] GreyFoxx: hrm, It's 5:33pm on a Friday afternoon. WTF am I still doing at my desk ?
[22:33:00] rjune: well, quality vs size
[22:33:00] rjune: 533? where are you?
[22:33:00] jonK: where are you? iceland?
[22:33:00] GreyFoxx: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
[22:33:00] ** xris grumbles at HOW many people report the "pipe: error while opening file" problem with nuvexport and NEVER search the list archives. **
[22:34:00] GreyFoxx: iceland is much further away :)
[22:34:00] jonK: but it's more fun than suggesting eastern Canada
[22:34:00] Beirdo: add a new closure code... "user is stupid, read docs"
[22:34:00] xris: jonK: you could just call him a newfie... he's close enough.
[22:34:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:34:00] CyberKnet: n00f!
[22:34:00] Beirdo: that's a honor though
[22:34:00] xris: heh
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[22:34:00] GreyFoxx: only a 30 minute clock away :)
[22:35:00] jonK: has congress changed daylight savings yet?
[22:35:00] xris: dunno.. just heard that it was happening
[22:35:00] xris: man, that's going to be annoying.
[22:35:00] Tommck: My HD3000 keeps having zero-length that are all off of the same channel. Is this most likely a signal strength problem?
[22:35:00] xris: should just change it permanently or get rid of it.
[22:36:00] CyberKnet: xris: But if they extend daylight savings time, the curtains will fade quicker because there's more daylight hours!
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[22:37:00] CyberKnet: the previous idiocy was an actual argument used by a (successful) FUD campaign by the state of Queensland, Australia, in an effort to avoid DST. What does that say about the idiots that live in and/or run Queensland?
[22:38:00] CyberKnet: heat affected idiots =)
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[22:40:00] jonK: bah! still can't top the Indiana state legislature that presented a bill trying to spcificy a value for pi
[22:40:00] jonK: 5/4 (among others)
[22:41:00] CyberKnet: wow.
[22:41:00] CyberKnet: you're kidding?
[22:41:00] jonK: no
[22:41:00] Tommck: that was a LONG LONG time ago
[22:41:00] jonK: that makes it no less idiotic
[22:41:00] Tommck: but Kansas made it illegal to teach Evolution in school only a few years ago
[22:42:00] CyberKnet: they tried to pass legislature to say pi = 5/4 ?
[22:42:00] jonK: the actual bill had several possible values
[22:42:00] jonK: the first one was 5/4
[22:42:00] Baylink: 3.2, actually, but I thought it was tennessee
[22:42:00] Baylink: Snopes has this
[22:42:00] jonK: I found it on "the straight dope"
[22:42:00] Tommck: I never heard 5/4... I just read a book on PI (yes, I'm a geek) and I believe 22/7 was what they were looking for
[22:42:00] jonK: google "legislate pi"
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[22:44:00] Tommck: 5/4 isn't in this: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_341.html
[22:44:00] Tommck: it's "The ratio of the diameter of a circle to its circumference is 5/4 to 4. In other words, pi equals 16/5 or 3.2"
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[22:44:00] Tommck: this was in 1897
[22:46:00] mchou: lol
[22:46:00] jonK: long since pythagoras discovered a proof for irrational numbers
[22:47:00] mchou: exactly!
[22:47:00] ** xris wonders if he could get some legislation to remove zero... **
[22:47:00] mchou: in 1897 ppl must have been stupid.
[22:47:00] xris: mchou: people are stupid today, therefore, the must have been stupid back then, too.
[22:48:00] mchou: but I suppose that's true of kansas today too :)
[22:48:00] Beirdo: yup
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[22:50:00] xris: wonder if anyone has written a (good) book about what this country will be like in the future... advanced technology, strong economy, but completely repressed society where you'd hung in a public square if you claim that natural selection can result in color changes in moths during the industrial revolution in england.
[22:50:00] xris: s/hung/get hung/
[22:50:00] mchou: heh, what's the point of legislating physical laws anyways?
[22:50:00] Beirdo: Brave New World...
[22:50:00] Tommck: xris – I just finished reading 1984... seemed about right ;)
[22:50:00] Beirdo: 1984
[22:50:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:50:00] Tommck: Beirdo – great minds think alike
[22:50:00] xris: Beirdo: BNW wasn't quite like that.
[22:51:00] jonK: funny, I had a strange urge to read 1984 sometime in late 2001
[22:51:00] xris: (and Island was much better than Brave New World)
[22:52:00] xris: albeit not futuristic.
[22:52:00] jonK: island the movie?
[22:52:00] xris: Island the book by Aldous Huxley.
[22:52:00] jonK: no, i think you meant the michael bay movie
[22:52:00] jonK: admit it
[22:52:00] xris: was a more mature look at the ideas presented in BNW.
[22:53:00] jonK: i bet you liked "pearl harbor" as well
[22:53:00] mchou: so guys, seriously, taking a poll here....
[22:53:00] xris: haven't seen either.
[22:53:00] BillyBoBob: Well, QT docs suck, but it looks like the "WriteBlock zerocnt timeout" error is caused by the client not pulling for a long time.
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[22:53:00] mchou: what have been "must see" big screen movies this summer?
[22:53:00] xris: man, I really wish coders wouldn't write "count" as "cnt"... I don't get the "o" when I read it.
[22:53:00] xris: mchou: batman was good.
[22:53:00] BillyBoBob: tell me about it
[22:53:00] Tommck: xris – you get a "u"?
[22:53:00] mchou: I can only come up with one: batman.
[22:53:00] BillyBoBob: OTOH, it probably reflects their mood
[22:54:00] mchou: nothing else.
[22:54:00] xris: Tommck: I get count, without the o.. and that's one of my most disliked words.
[22:54:00] Tommck: yep...
[22:54:00] Tommck: I am a very verbose variable namer
[22:54:00] xris: mchou: I'm at a loss, too.. going to see wonka on sunday, though.
[22:54:00] Beirdo: as it should be, xris
[22:55:00] Beirdo: a not nice word
[22:55:00] mchou: and they movie studios complain they are loosing ticket sales.
[22:55:00] BillyBoBob: basically it looks like Myth will try to send for 200ms an then give up.....
[22:55:00] Tommck: That word wasn't always a bad one.
[22:55:00] mchou: at least MPAA doesnt blame that on piracy like RIAA :)
[22:55:00] Tommck: there were streets in London with that in their name for a while
[22:55:00] BillyBoBob: I think a patch is in order for me
[22:55:00] xris: mchou: the problem is that they're mistaking piracy for lack of acting/writing/producing/directing skill
[22:55:00] ** CyberKnet frequently calls bad drivers Counts **
[22:56:00] Beirdo: yeah, but you're an Aussie
[22:56:00] xris: Tommck: but how often do you see "fanny" street in the uk?
[22:56:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – Dracula? of Monte Cristo? Chocula?
[22:56:00] CyberKnet: actually, I usually call them Freaking Counts
[22:56:00] Tommck: xris :)
[22:56:00] Beirdo: Count Blah
[22:56:00] BillyBoBob: anyone try a unichrome video (VIA) with Myth?
[22:56:00] xris: a-ighit-bla
[22:56:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:57:00] Beirdo: I want that show back. Dammit, Fox!@
[22:57:00] Tommck: woohoo... it's Friday...
[22:57:00] Tommck: it's almost 5pm...
[22:57:00] xris: yeah. I have it on dvd.. sucks they bought the rights and didn't even release them back to the original owners.
[22:57:00] Beirdo: screw almost
[22:57:00] Beirdo: (Greg the Bunny)++
[22:57:00] Tommck: (in my neck of the woods)
[22:57:00] Beirdo: my day is over, I don't care what the clock says
[22:58:00] ** CyberKnet considers an early day **
[22:58:00] xris: Beirdo: http://www.gregtbunny.com/what.htm
[22:58:00] xris: look down at 2005
[22:59:00] xris: wonder where that one went
[22:59:00] mchou: Is "Murderball" out yet?
[22:59:00] Beirdo: coolness
[22:59:00] mchou: I'd like to see that.....
[22:59:00] Beirdo: well, I'm gonna head out
[22:59:00] ** Tommck is gone too **
[22:59:00] Tommck: have a good weekend everyone
[23:00:00] CyberKnet: adios B
[23:01:00] Beirdo: Ciao. take it easy on the sheep..
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[23:03:00] stoffel_: huh? what's causing this: mythbackend: page allocation failure. order:3, mode:0x20
[23:03:00] stoffel_: using kernel 2.6.8
[23:03:00] stoffel_: other appl. are also affected btw
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[23:04:00] jonK: mchou if you can find a screening 9 songs
[23:05:00] stoffel_: google suggests is XFS related
[23:06:00] jonK: also, march of the penguins
[23:07:00] mchou: jonK: 9 songs?
[23:08:00] Riff-Raff: stoffel_: out of memory?
[23:08:00] mchou: jonK: 9 songs got a 5.1/10 on imdb.
[23:08:00] stoffel_: Riff-Raff: no still ~400MB swap free
[23:09:00] mchou: jonK: you sure it's good?
[23:10:00] stoffel_: hm, i was wrong, i think it's not related to XFS
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[23:12:00] stoffel_: BillyBoBob: WriteBlock zerocnt timeout from my backend ;)
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[23:15:00] stoffel_: ah, seems netfilter is the culprit
[23:19:00] BillyBoBob: stoffel_: rofl
[23:19:00] stoffel_: BillyBoBob: this is NOT funny :)
[23:19:00] BillyBoBob: stoffel_: probably because is friday after a long week but that sounded immensely dirty
[23:19:00] BillyBoBob: stoffel_: but I know what you mean about it not being funny
[23:19:00] stoffel_: oh, care to explain the funny part?
[23:20:00] stoffel_: to a non-native english speaker
[23:20:00] BillyBoBob: nope, I am just one sick puppy....
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[23:21:00] BillyBoBob: stoffel_: ya don't want to know. you said nothing wrong, it is my sick mind...
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[23:22:00] BillyBoBob: stoffel_: what is the symptom when it happens?
[23:22:00] BillyBoBob: stoffel_: i.e. what occurs
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[23:27:00] stoffel_: BillyBoBob: live-tv fails
[23:28:00] stoffel_: or, just now, mythfrontend segfaulted twice after restarting it and starting live-tv
[23:29:00] stoffel_: now i see more page allocation failures from other processes as well.
[23:29:00] stoffel_: oh well, guess i'll try to update to a more current kernel
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[23:34:00] stoffel_: oh, i'm not the first mythtv user to experience this :)
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[23:49:00] xris: haha.. fark picked up the seattle times' new-quarter img request: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?I . . . =voteresults
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[23:55:00] linuxbe: good nite
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