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| [00:01:00] | BMO1: | what's the key for previous channel? |
| [00:01:00] | BMO1: | like to let you go between 5 and 25 over and over |
| [00:02:00] | pce_matty: | quink: this is just one of those projects you've got to babysit... i've got my cat for company |
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| [00:08:00] | quink: | if you say so |
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| [00:12:00] | marc: | Hi. Would you give me a hand on setting up ALSA for myth? specially, my tv card input is on card 2 and playback is to come on card1... can't get the recording working ;( |
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| [00:20:00] | riksta: | ebbemonke: come back in #dvb and ill try to help |
| [00:28:00] | BMO1: | what is the shortcut key for "last channel"? |
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| [00:29:00] | stoffel: | BMO1: h istory |
| [00:31:00] | BMO1: | oh ok |
| [00:31:00] | BMO1: | thx |
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| [00:38:00] | minimike: | are they some isues with xorg for compiling ? |
| [00:38:00] | xris: | nope |
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| [00:38:00] | minimike: | my build is broken by xinerama |
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| [00:38:00] | minimike: | libxinerama-dev is installed |
| [00:39:00] | xris: | no clue.. didn't know myth touched xinerama stuff. |
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| [00:40:00] | Randall64: | It'll display to a specific xinerama screen. |
| [00:40:00] | minimike: | me to i am beginner, now i have installed mythtv via DEB's but Mythtv doesnt find my already running DVB-T Card |
| [00:41:00] | minimike: | so tryed to compile it self |
| [00:42:00] | Randall64: | crashy crashy goes linux with wireless driver |
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| [00:45:00] | rjune: | which wifi driver? |
| [00:47:00] | Randall64: | rt2500 |
| [00:47:00] | rjune: | not used that one yet |
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| [01:19:00] | dootdoot: | hey, quick questions, what do you guys recommend for decent picture for mpeg2 bitrates? |
| [01:19:00] | dootdoot: | like would 6000 / 8000 be excessive? |
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| [01:36:00] | fatmatt: | anyone seen these ? http://www.digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/twindvbt.html |
| [01:37:00] | ** xris bemoans the unavailability of dvb in the US. ** | |
| [01:39:00] | Randall64: | Hey, this is a family channel. |
| [01:39:00] | xris: | no, that's trademarked. |
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| [01:39:00] | xris: | well, probably. |
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| [01:47:00] | mchou: | fatmatt: wow, that's hilarious |
| [01:47:00] | ** pce-matty crunces away at theme.xml ** | |
| [01:47:00] | pce-matty: | +h |
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| [01:48:00] | mchou: | two usb tuners on a backplane :) |
| [01:48:00] | pce-matty: | mchou: i like it :) |
| [01:48:00] | pce-matty: | mchou: just ordered one ... i'll let you guys know how it goes when it gets here |
| [01:48:00] | doublehelix: | if anyone is bored i have a question.. when i watch 'live tv' i get channel 18 and thats it.. if i change channels, the database displays the correct info for the channel, but the actual channel never changes |
| [01:49:00] | pce-matty: | doublehelix: you're not stuck in browse mode are you? |
| [01:49:00] | mchou: | pce-matty: where do you live? .au? |
| [01:49:00] | pce-matty: | mchou: that's right |
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| [01:50:00] | doublehelix: | matty: im not sure.. ive accounted for about 12% of all of Googles traffic over the last day searching for an answer, though.. brb ill see if i am (n00b) |
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| [01:51:00] | pce-matty: | doublehelix: yah, how's browse mode work again? you change channels, the osd shows you the channel info but you remain on your existing channel until you press... enter isn't it? |
| [01:51:00] | kormoc: | doublehelix, system stats? card stats? when you record, does it change channels? |
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| [01:52:00] | ** pce-matty is a little vague this morning – defining multiple buttonareas ** | |
| [01:52:00] | doublehelix: | pce-matty: i see the difference now with browse mode on, but the program pauses for a moment as if its changing, displays the info for the next channel, but still shows channel 18 |
| [01:53:00] | kormoc: | did it ever change channels? |
| [01:53:00] | doublehelix: | kormoc: brand new at this so I havent recorded .. pvr-250 |
| [01:53:00] | doublehelix: | kormoc: nope |
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| [01:53:00] | doublehelix: | kormoc: i tried packages first adn it didnt change, then uninstalled and compiled manually but i ahve the same problem |
| [01:53:00] | hadeees: | alright so for some reason mythtv isn't playing any audio, aplay works and it even works when mythfrontend is running |
| [01:53:00] | kormoc: | you're likly under the same issue as I am, I can't change channels with a m179, and it's taking a long time figuring out. |
| [01:54:00] | doublehelix: | kormoc: its odd, i have no idea why its channel 18.. from the first time i fired it up its been locked on 18, although everything else seems to be running |
| [01:54:00] | doublehelix: | kormoc: verbose output doesnt give me anything useful.. at least to my noob eyes |
| [01:55:00] | pce-matty: | doublehelix: how've you got it all plugged in? aerial straight into the back of the card? |
| [01:56:00] | doublehelix: | pce-matty: *hoping this is the right answer* yes.. |
| [01:56:00] | fatmatt: | pce-matty: have you used usb tuners before? how do they stack up against pci? |
| [01:56:00] | kormoc: | doublehelix, my card is locked on channel 5. and yeah, it just silently fails to change a channel. |
| [01:56:00] | doublehelix: | kormoc: did it ever work |
| [01:57:00] | pce-matty: | was talking to someone the other day, they were ranting about mythtv sucking, how they couldn't change channels and they'd actually got their aerial into their vcr, then a cable from the vcr to the analogue in on the card |
| [01:57:00] | kormoc: | yeah, in a nother person's computer, but not in any of mine as of yet. |
| [01:57:00] | Chutt: | haha |
| [01:57:00] | doublehelix: | pce-matty, no its straight into the back.. |
| [01:58:00] | kormoc: | doublehelix, what version of ivtv are you running? |
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| [01:58:00] | Chutt: | other than that kind of user error, not being able to change channels is _generally_ a tuner problem |
| [01:58:00] | hadeees: | anyone know what to check next for audio? |
| [01:58:00] | Chutt: | especially if it's showing the proper channel info |
| [01:58:00] | doublehelix: | 2.0.rc3j |
| [01:58:00] | pce-matty: | fatmatt: i've been really impressed with some of them, tested a lot under XP |
| [01:58:00] | Chutt: | and you're positive you don't have an external channel change script set up |
| [01:58:00] | fatmatt: | I've been looking at the dvico stuff, but I'd prefer something that is supported in the kernel, not patched |
| [01:59:00] | kormoc: | Chutt, yeah, I know mine is, but here's the thing, it worked fine on cyberknet's box with the same settings as I'm using on mine, but no love on the channel changing over a ton of versions of ivtv. It's sucky :P |
| [01:59:00] | pce-matty: | several dvico pci tuners are supported natively |
| [01:59:00] | kormoc: | doublehelix, might want to try a 0.3.x version and see if it helps |
| [01:59:00] | pce-matty: | the dvico lite has had native kernel support since 2.6.9 |
| [01:59:00] | mchou: | fatmatt: thatjust means you have to wait a wee bit is all. |
| [01:59:00] | doublehelix: | chutt: not unless it came set up already, although that option is blanked in the setup screen |
| [01:59:00] | pce-matty: | the pro is natively supported in 2.6.12 |
| [01:59:00] | mchou: | pce-matty: huh??? |
| [01:59:00] | fatmatt: | have you used the lite pce-matty? |
| [01:59:00] | doublehelix: | kormoc: ok i will.. |
| [02:00:00] | pce-matty: | fatmatt: i'm using about... |
| [02:00:00] | ** pce-matty counts ** | |
| [02:00:00] | pce-matty: | five of the bastards :) they're great cards |
| [02:00:00] | mchou: | pce-matty: I thought dvico fusion 5 lite isn't supported yet. |
| [02:00:00] | fatmatt: | pro in 12? whats the name of the module, I've got 12 running here now |
| [02:00:00] | pce-matty: | mchou: they've released a new version |
| [02:00:00] | pce-matty: | fatmatt: cx88_dvb |
| [02:00:00] | pce-matty: | mchou: ? |
| [02:00:00] | mchou: | pce-matty: even from linux-dvb. |
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| [02:01:00] | mchou: | pce-matty: who released a new version of what? |
| [02:01:00] | mchou: | I was talking dvico ATSC. |
| [02:01:00] | fatmatt: | I'm not so sure about usb and high bnandwidth stuff, just a little wary |
| [02:01:00] | mchou: | not dvb-* |
| [02:02:00] | fatmatt: | but I've only got 1 pci slot left in my machine |
| [02:02:00] | pce-matty: | mchou: just looked at the dvico site... yah, there's a new 'lite' card targetted at the states... i'd assume fatmatt is talking about this: |
| [02:02:00] | pce-matty: | http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/eng/Products/DVBTLIte.aspx |
| [02:03:00] | pce-matty: | which has had native kernel support since 2.6.9 |
| [02:03:00] | mchou: | fatmatt: you referring to dvico ATSC or dvb? |
| [02:03:00] | pce-matty: | he's aussie based, he'll be talking dvb |
| [02:04:00] | mchou: | pce-matty: ok. |
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| [02:04:00] | pce-matty: | the pro: http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/eng/Products/DVBTPlus.aspx is supported natively in 2.6.12 |
| [02:04:00] | pce-matty: | hope that's cleared it up :) |
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| [02:05:00] | mchou: | sigh, I suppose I might break open this 6600gt pci-e card. |
| [02:05:00] | mchou: | price keeps on going up. |
| [02:05:00] | pce-matty: | mchou: that's a lovely piece of kit |
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| [02:05:00] | kormoc: | you don't have you, you could just mail it to me :) |
| [02:06:00] | mchou: | too many students upgrading their darn machines during the summer. |
| [02:06:00] | mchou: | driving up the darn prices. |
| [02:07:00] | mchou: | should had bought it when dell was offering it for $165. |
| [02:07:00] | pce-matty: | the aussie dollar's just tanked again... prices here are going up daily |
| [02:07:00] | kormoc: | mchou, how much did you pay for it? |
| [02:07:00] | mchou: | $180 dual dvi |
| [02:08:00] | mchou: | most places now sell it >$200 |
| [02:08:00] | pce-matty: | mchou: i've been liking albatron's nvidia based cards a lot lately |
| [02:08:00] | kormoc: | gainward rox up |
| [02:09:00] | kormoc: | mchou, newegg's lowest is $169 right now |
| [02:09:00] | mchou: | the only reason I buy BFG is for their lifetime warranty |
| [02:09:00] | mchou: | kormoc: not for dual dvi |
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| [02:09:00] | kormoc: | mchou, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150098 |
| [02:10:00] | mchou: | fans on vid cards always break. |
| [02:10:00] | kormoc: | now, the BFG is $212 |
| [02:10:00] | kormoc: | I havn't ever had a videocard fan die on myself. |
| [02:10:00] | mchou: | XFX is crap. |
| [02:10:00] | kormoc: | ooh? why's that? |
| [02:10:00] | mchou: | they are owned by pine. lot's of quality issues. |
| [02:11:00] | kormoc: | they got rather solid reviews in the little past here I've been looking into pci-e cards. |
| [02:11:00] | mchou: | crappy warranty too. |
| [02:11:00] | hadeees: | man this is driving me crazy, i looked through the docs, fuser -v /dev/dsp even says mythfrontend is using it, i don't get it |
| [02:11:00] | mchou: | solid reviews on newegg? lol |
| [02:11:00] | hadeees: | could this be because i have a remote frontend? |
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| [02:12:00] | mchou: | kormoc: google "xfx crap quality" |
| [02:12:00] | mchou: | kormoc: I'm sure you'd get choice hits. |
| [02:12:00] | mchou: | :) |
| [02:12:00] | kormoc: | http://gainward.de/new/products/pcx/coolfx/comparison.html |
| [02:12:00] | kormoc: | mmm... now that's a card |
| [02:13:00] | kormoc: | mchou, nah, overclockers.com and tom's and anatech all gave good reviews of them |
| [02:13:00] | mchou: | kormoc: lol |
| [02:14:00] | mchou: | the reviewers dont evaluate products for durability. |
| [02:14:00] | mchou: | they get the card for a few weeks at most. |
| [02:14:00] | diamon: | mchou: Unless they're doing OC testing, which sort of tests quality. :) |
| [02:14:00] | ** kormoc nods at diamon. ** | |
| [02:14:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [02:15:00] | kormoc: | of course, they don't test MTBF on fans or what not |
| [02:15:00] | mchou: | overhead and quality are two orthogonal metrics |
| [02:15:00] | kormoc: | but meh, I can replace a fan on a videocard without any trouble |
| [02:15:00] | diamon: | kormoc: Yeah, true enough. |
| [02:16:00] | mchou: | haha. not if those fans set you back another $15 or so.... |
| [02:16:00] | kormoc: | so? it's likly better then any fan the manifacturer put on to start with |
| [02:16:00] | kormoc: | and what's $15 more when you save $50 on the card? |
| [02:17:00] | fatmatt: | pce-matty: can I run some specs past you, let me know if I'm going to run into probs? |
| [02:17:00] | hadeees: | well i just did mythfrontend -v and got this message poping up, "audio waiting for buffer to fill" |
| [02:17:00] | diamon: | mchou: Card makers want to minimize costs and use sleeve-bearing fans. I don't ever want to replace it more than once, and get a good ball-bearing fan to replace it. |
| [02:17:00] | mchou: | lifetime warranty is good because when cards fail they give you upgrade, generally. |
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| [02:17:00] | mchou: | there are plenty of people who upgraded their cards from BFG. |
| [02:18:00] | mchou: | I'didnt pay an extra $50. more like an extra $15. |
| [02:19:00] | kormoc: | I mean for prices now |
| [02:19:00] | mchou: | which is the price of one additional fan :) |
| [02:19:00] | kormoc: | the difference between them is almost $50 |
| [02:19:00] | mchou: | that's why you wait for prices to come down, not up :) |
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| [02:24:00] | mchou: | kormoc: look here, as an example :) |
| [02:25:00] | mchou: | or here: http://forums.overclockersclub.com/Bfg_Or_Xfxl-t54079.html |
| [02:25:00] | hadeees: | anyone want to help me =( |
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| [02:27:00] | mchou: | kormoc: or here: http://stores.tomshardware.com/pur_discussion . . . _id=129955// |
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| [02:27:00] | mchou: | kormoc: enough indicators to tell ya "dont risk your hard earned money" |
| [02:28:00] | kormoc: | fair nuff |
| [02:28:00] | kormoc: | tho that second link gives it 4/5 stars which is decient |
| [02:31:00] | hadeees: | is ""audio waiting for buffer to fill" even an error? |
| [02:32:00] | kormoc: | no, it's waiting for the audio buffer to fill, it's a informative message |
| [02:32:00] | mchou: | kormoc: for example, check out this amusing link :) http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?c . . . adid=1624857 |
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| [02:50:00] | hadeees: | this is killing me i am getting zero sound errors |
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| [02:52:00] | CyberKnet: | Never ever ever ever ever buy an MSI video card. |
| [02:52:00] | CyberKnet: | my advice to you all =) |
| [02:52:00] | mchou: | heh, I could have told you that :) |
| [02:52:00] | mchou: | never buy MSI period :) |
| [02:52:00] | CyberKnet: | Nope. |
| [02:53:00] | CyberKnet: | Never again. |
| [02:53:00] | mchou: | mobos are crap too, generally. |
| [02:53:00] | CyberKnet: | PNY video cards only for me from now on. |
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| [02:53:00] | rben: | For some reason I'm getting a lot of noise and static on my lower numbered TV stations while the higher numbered stations record just fine, any suggestions? |
| [02:53:00] | mchou: | CyberKnet: well, I'm partial to BFG. |
| [02:53:00] | CyberKnet: | mchou: not me. I had a BFG, and I hated it. |
| [02:54:00] | CyberKnet: | mchou: Maybe I got a few bad cards (they had to replace it) |
| [02:54:00] | mchou: | PNY does not have true lifetime warranty :) |
| [02:54:00] | CyberKnet: | mchou: but the picture on their 5600Ultra couldn't touch the picture on a PNY 5200 Ultra. |
| [02:54:00] | CyberKnet: | mchou: how so? |
| [02:55:00] | mchou: | it's "lifetime" of the production lifetime of the card/chip :) |
| [02:55:00] | mchou: | for PNY. |
| [02:55:00] | CyberKnet: | mchou: The picture on the bfg cards was much blurrier than on the PNY card. but who knows why that might have been. Could have been my monitor partial to the pNY ramdac. |
| [02:55:00] | rben: | For some reason I'm getting a lot of noise and static on my lower numbered TV stations while the higher numbered stations record just fine, any suggestions? |
| [02:55:00] | mchou: | which to me would be a joke. |
| [02:55:00] | CyberKnet: | Really? PNY technical support told me that the card would be replaced with the next latest model if your model was not in production... |
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| [02:55:00] | mchou: | CyberKnet: lol |
| [02:55:00] | CyberKnet: | but if it is just production lifetime of the card then yes, that's a huge joke. |
| [02:56:00] | mchou: | read the fine print on their warranty. |
| [02:56:00] | mchou: | basically means 3 yrs. max. |
| [02:56:00] | CyberKnet: | They REALLY want a receipt for any warranty work, too. |
| [02:56:00] | CyberKnet: | which means that a gifted card effectively has no warranty. |
| [02:57:00] | hadeees: | alright so i am goint just go through what i did and mabey someone will notice something i left out, i tried both /dev/dsp, /dev/sound/dsp, and ALSA:default, when using alsa i made sure the mixer was default, mythfrontend seems to find all of them find, i also went through my mixer and checked all the levels and line-in is muted, i tried aplay and that works, I don't have arts or esd or anything running, I can't seem to find any |
| [02:57:00] | hadeees: | errors anywhere |
| [02:57:00] | CyberKnet: | hadees: just don't use ALSA. |
| [02:57:00] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [02:57:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, i have used also for over a year, did somethign change? |
| [02:58:00] | hadeees: | also = alsa |
| [02:58:00] | mchou: | CyberKnet: check here, for example :) |
| [02:58:00] | mchou: | http://www.pny.com/support/warranty/?prod=verto |
| [02:59:00] | mchou: | "(Lifetime is defined as the lifetime of the product on the market. Outdated technology is not covered by lifetime warranty if the item is no longer available on the common market as a new product.) " |
| [02:59:00] | mchou: | that's the joke :) |
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| [03:02:00] | mchou: | CyberKnet: how you like them apples? :) |
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| [03:06:00] | abarbaccia: | i <3 linux |
| [03:08:00] | NightBird: | I didn't do it |
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| [03:15:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, no good... |
| [03:15:00] | hadeees: | i could figure this damn thing out if i just had an error or something... |
| [03:16:00] | abarbaccia: | hadeees, what's bothering you |
| [03:16:00] | hadeees: | abarbaccia, i am getting no sound on my remote mythfrontend |
| [03:17:00] | hadeees: | abarbaccia, i am using alsa and have tried everything i can think of |
| [03:17:00] | abarbaccia: | hadeees, what distro |
| [03:17:00] | hadeees: | gentoo |
| [03:18:00] | abarbaccia: | hadeees, i'm unfamiliar – do you have sound outside myth |
| [03:18:00] | hadeees: | abarbaccia, yup |
| [03:18:00] | hadeees: | abarbaccia, and it looks to me like mythfrontend is opening my devices just fine |
| [03:18:00] | abarbaccia: | hadeees, then i would check what it uses for sound – like ubuntu uses esd – which you need to disable for myth sound to work |
| [03:19:00] | abarbaccia: | hadeees, go into settings and disable system sound – reboot then run mythfrontend |
| [03:19:00] | hadeees: | abarbaccia, gentoo doesn't use that unless you install it |
| [03:19:00] | abarbaccia: | does it use somehting else |
| [03:19:00] | hadeees: | i don't have esd or arts |
| [03:19:00] | hadeees: | just alsa |
| [03:19:00] | hadeees: | and i just tried oss |
| [03:19:00] | abarbaccia: | hurm – then i dont have a clue – maybe use ubuntu ;) |
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| [03:23:00] | hadeees: | could this be somthing on my backend causing mythfrontend not to get audio? |
| [03:25:00] | abarbaccia: | hadeees, doubt it – its more likely mythfrontend not being able to address the audio properly |
| [03:25:00] | abarbaccia: | if it can access the file and you are getting video obviously there are no permission / connection problems |
| [03:26:00] | hadeees: | this is driving me insane, i finally got my mythtv box back after a month of it being broken |
| [03:26:00] | hadeees: | and i am not exaclty a mythtv newbie |
| [03:26:00] | hadeees: | argh |
| [03:27:00] | hadeees: | i don't even have anything to really use in a search |
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| [03:29:00] | hadeees: | man it is quiet tonight |
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| [03:31:00] | hadeees: | good old Beirdo, tell me whats wrong with my sound |
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| [03:35:00] | pce-matty: | fatmatt: something about specs? |
| [03:35:00] | Beirdo: | I don't use alsa, so I can't really help ya if you do |
| [03:36:00] | hadeees: | Beirdo, hehe well thanks, i did try with OSS and seem to get the same problem though, i just wish i could find an error somewhere so i could google it |
| [03:36:00] | hadeees: | well if anyone gets any ideas i'll be back after an episode of firefly |
| [03:37:00] | pce-matty: | hadees: quickly, what distro? udev or devfs? |
| [03:37:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, gentoo, udev |
| [03:37:00] | pce-matty: | easy |
| [03:38:00] | pce-matty: | pull alsa out of the kernel |
| [03:38:00] | hadeees: | it is, its a module |
| [03:38:00] | pce-matty: | no, no module |
| [03:38:00] | hadeees: | and i tired with OSS with the same results |
| [03:38:00] | pce-matty: | you'll want alsa-drivers from the portage tree |
| [03:38:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, you think that will fix it? |
| [03:39:00] | pce-matty: | yup, you'll want the appropriate alsacard flag in make.conf |
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| [03:39:00] | pce-matty: | and you'll find alsa will a) work, b) won't require you to futz with asound.rec, c) work |
| [03:40:00] | pce-matty: | hadees: you'll actually find the gentoo alsa howto has been updated recently |
| [03:41:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, i'll try anything at this point, but aplay does work with the kernel driver |
| [03:41:00] | pce-matty: | linux documentation is great, you'll find perfect instructions on how to get anything half working *wink* |
| [03:41:00] | pce-matty: | yup, if it didn't, i'd be worried |
| [03:42:00] | hadeees: | if it is that simple i am going to put my head through the wall |
| [03:43:00] | pce-matty: | on a gentoo system, alsa's much easier to manage external to the kernel |
| [03:43:00] | diamon: | hadeees: It's not worth doing that over it... Drywall is a pain to replace. |
| [03:43:00] | hadeees: | diamon, i lived in a fraternity house for 2 1/2 years, i am a pro |
| [03:44:00] | diamon: | Question for folks, is there any way to add transcode options to, say, reduce resolution or transcode to mp2? |
| [03:44:00] | pce-matty: | hadees: well i hope i've put you onto the right track – all my dev machines here are now running pure alsa on gentoo |
| [03:44:00] | diamon: | hadeees: Ah, that'd do it. I lived in an apartment with a lot of roommates. More than an apt that size should allow. :) Same kind of training here, but less wall area. :) |
| [03:45:00] | pce-matty: | ya know, i've never transcoded anything with myth before, i wouldn't even know where to go in the menus to kick one off :) |
| [03:45:00] | diamon: | pce: Foo. I know where the options are for the existing ones, (right in where the card capture options are) but no idea how to add new ones yet. |
| [03:46:00] | ** pce-matty has dismantled the myth menu system ** | |
| [03:47:00] | diamon: | I like to use it to transcode captures that I don't need as much bitrate for to DivX from mp2, but I wanted to change from, say, rtjpeg to mp2 to standardize card outputs between my bttv and pvr-150 and such. |
| [03:47:00] | abarbaccia: | man, this damn trancode is killing me – anybody know the debian sources that contain trancode? |
| [03:49:00] | diamon: | Isn't it an actual transcode package? I'm nearly sure. |
| [03:50:00] | diamon: | Or do you mean you need the full debian name of the package? If that, I have no idea... |
| [03:50:00] | abarbaccia: | well, i'm using ubuntu and its not in the ubuntu repositories – only in the breezy ones – and X is broken so im not messing with ti |
| [03:50:00] | diamon: | Yeah, I show my system to have transcode coming from a package transcode-1.0.0–17 |
| [03:50:00] | abarbaccia: | but i know there are debian sources i can use in my sources.list that'll get me through |
| [03:50:00] | abarbaccia: | diamon, you using ubuntu |
| [03:50:00] | diamon: | FC3 actually. |
| [03:51:00] | diamon: | I dunno what the fixation is with Ubuntu, but I haven't tried it yet. |
| [03:51:00] | abarbaccia: | its good |
| [03:51:00] | abarbaccia: | ;) |
| [03:51:00] | pce-matty: | diamon: large central repository |
| [03:51:00] | abarbaccia: | indeed |
| [03:51:00] | abarbaccia: | which is why fedora is having such a hard time |
| [03:52:00] | diamon: | Hard time? |
| [03:52:00] | pce-matty: | that's about it, less futzing around with your apt/sources.list |
| [03:52:00] | hadeees: | abarbaccia, it isn't alone? |
| [03:53:00] | abarbaccia: | hadeees, whats alone? |
| [03:53:00] | diamon: | Ah, all I did on my systems was add atrpm's repository, that covers everything I've needed for my systems so far. Of course, I'm not afraid of raw sources too, I'm just trying (very hard) to stay with pure RPM format packages as a learning experience. |
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| [03:53:00] | abarbaccia: | diamon, atrpm is a wannabe apt-get repository |
| [03:53:00] | abarbaccia: | and im refuse to use that "alien" command |
| [03:53:00] | pce-matty: | diamon: oh and ubuntu uses synaptic as its default package manager |
| [03:54:00] | Beirdo: | ummm, no |
| [03:54:00] | Beirdo: | it uses apt |
| [03:54:00] | Beirdo: | synaptic is not necessarily used |
| [03:54:00] | abarbaccia: | guys, synaptic is a frontend for apt |
| [03:54:00] | abarbaccia: | play nice |
| [03:54:00] | diamon: | LoL. |
| [03:55:00] | pce-matty: | yah, change my 'default' to 'default interface to the' and we're happy :) |
| [03:55:00] | Beirdo: | that's what I mean :) |
| [03:56:00] | pce-matty: | in other words, ubuntu is popular coz it's very easy to get at stuff that's normally a pain in the ass to set up with other linux distros: CD burning, DVD playback etc |
| [03:56:00] | diamon: | See, there's one very important thing about me to know. I offer my opinion, respect your opinion, and will use or ruthlessly ignore whatever I feel is appropriate. :) Regular fedora repositories are fine for me, and apt covers what few things aren't (like mythtv!), and I use whatever I like. |
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| [03:57:00] | diamon: | And again, I don't mind source at all, though the dependencies for something like mplayer can get ugly, I'll patiently load what I need while I'm at the office wishing I had work to do. |
| [03:57:00] | pce-matty: | but i'd never build a standalone mythbox based on a generic ubuntu or fedora install |
| [03:58:00] | pce-matty: | too much cruft... ubuntu server install, or the fedora equiv mightn't be too bad |
| [03:58:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, still no sound in mythfrontend |
| [04:00:00] | pce-matty: | hadeees, you've recompiled you're kernel removing ALSA and OSS support, booted off that kernel and finally emerged alsa after defining the appropriate sound module in your make.conf ? |
| [04:00:00] | diamon: | pce: I use many of the semi-crufty items, and kill off the ones I don't want. Like, my myth box will never run a printer, so I killed CUPS and all related apps, but left the X web browsers and all alone. |
| [04:00:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, yup |
| [04:01:00] | diamon: | BTW, anyone know a URL offhand (yes, I've googled already) for the full list of ALSA devices, like ALSA:default, etc? |
| [04:01:00] | diamon: | I need to find what the device is (I think SPDIF) for digital sound output on my sb live. |
| [04:01:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, aplay still works and so does cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| [04:01:00] | pce-matty: | diamon: yah, cutting a system down sucks |
| [04:02:00] | diamon: | pce: Yep, not a task for the faint-of-heart for sure. |
| [04:02:00] | pce-matty: | hadees: you'll want to stay away from /dev/dsp... |
| [04:02:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, well it was just for a test |
| [04:02:00] | pce-matty: | hadeees: you'll want to set ALSA:default or ALSA:spdif in the myth menu |
| [04:02:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, ALSA:default is what i have |
| [04:03:00] | Fat_Matt: | pce-matty: I've got an analog tuner & a visionplus, celeron 2.4g 512mb ram, wondering if its possible to put a dvico plus in |
| [04:04:00] | diamon: | Fat: Isn't that a dvb card? |
| [04:04:00] | pce-matty: | hadeees: /dev/dsp will porbably be a hangover from the dev.tarball gentoo keeps ( you can turn that damn thing off in /etc/conf.d/rc ) |
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| [04:04:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, yeah but that couldn't be the cause |
| [04:05:00] | pce-matty: | hadeees: what did you specify in your make.conf... i'm using: ALSA_CARDS="intel8x0,hda-intel,atiixp" |
| [04:05:00] | pce-matty: | hadeees: yah, agreed it wouldn't be the cause :) |
| [04:05:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, ALSA_CARDS="via82xx" |
| [04:07:00] | pce-matty: | well if you can aplay directly to individual devices such as hw0,1 hw0,2 spdif etc (don't trust my syntax, working from memory here) then you've got everything you need for myth to see it |
| [04:09:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, mythtv does see it, just no sound |
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| [04:09:00] | diamon: | Just remember that both the mixer and dsp need to be set to ALSA:default. |
| [04:09:00] | pce-matty: | a re-emerge of myth might be worthwhile, a re-emerge with --deep --newuse would be strongly advised if you've changed your use flags ( alsa -oss will give you myth working in pure alsa ) |
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| [04:09:00] | diamon: | I changed the DSP but not the mixer and had no sound myself. |
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| [04:10:00] | pce-matty: | myth in pure alsa is not necessarily a good thing... myth music complained a little for me, before i pulled out a hammer |
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| [04:10:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, i tried that also, i just complained that i shouldn't disable oss |
| [04:10:00] | pce-matty: | hadees: you'll want mixer set to the word 'default' in myth |
| [04:11:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, yup |
| [04:11:00] | abarbaccia: | urgh this sucks |
| [04:11:00] | pce-matty: | you got any other cruft running around, anything esound or artsd related? |
| [04:11:00] | diamon: | pce: Bah, you're right, I just checked mine, mixer gets set to 'default' only. |
| [04:12:00] | pce-matty: | diamon: yah, menu settings are a little non obvious |
| [04:13:00] | pce-matty: | hadeees: you've got me stumped for now |
| [04:14:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, got my self stumped too |
| [04:14:00] | diamon: | pce: But again, since myth was 'free' for me, I can't argue if the menus are a touch wonky or whatever. :) In fact, I've been strongly toying with ways to do a pizza-and-beer type fund for Myth programmers. :) |
| [04:14:00] | hadeees: | i usally am the one helping people |
| [04:14:00] | diamon: | hadees: Anything odd in dmesg or anything? |
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| [04:15:00] | hadeees: | diamon, nothing i see |
| [04:15:00] | diamon: | Oooh, now I know something I want to try... Bonded ethernet connections to my myth box to speed up the 1–8Gb file transfers. :) |
| [04:16:00] | diamon: | I need a mobo with more PCI slots though, 3 is surely not enough for me... Bah. |
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| [04:16:00] | pce-matty: | hadees: well at least building alsa externally has removed a layer of stuff that can do wrong, alsa-drivers and alsa-headers from the ~x86 repository will usually be ahead of what's in the latest kernel, so it's helpful when you're using a new, or otherwise uncommon soundcard |
| [04:17:00] | diamon: | hadees: Feh, I'm running out of ideas myself... Myth doesn't have a log, does it? |
| [04:17:00] | hadeees: | it does but nothing in it |
| [04:17:00] | diamon: | I know it's got a simple 'transcoded such-and-such in 4:40' type log, but anything deeper? |
| [04:18:00] | diamon: | Can mplayer talk to your capture card directly? |
| [04:18:00] | hadeees: | i don't have mplayer installed yet, thats my next move |
| [04:18:00] | hadeees: | but i was holding off because of time |
| [04:18:00] | pce-matty: | hadeees will be looking at the mythfrontend terminal output, backend logs won't help with sound issues |
| [04:18:00] | diamon: | hadees: Hmmm.... |
| [04:19:00] | diamon: | So what are you doing to test myth? |
| [04:19:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, i did look at the terminal and mythtv says it is connecting to ALSA:default |
| [04:19:00] | Esp1: | when i am trying to import a DVD i get this message: Cannot connect to your Myth Transcoding Daemon........any ideas? |
| [04:19:00] | hadeees: | diamon, live TV, and recordings |
| [04:19:00] | hadeees: | diamon, i also did aplay |
| [04:20:00] | pce-matty: | hadeees: you've got no sound at all in myth (still scratching my head here)... mythmusic is silent, dvds are silent? and remember, mythmusic has its own sound device assigned in the Music Settings menu |
| [04:20:00] | diamon: | Esp1: Using ATRPM's distro site, I got a bum update recently for mtd. If you use atrpms then upgrade again, fixed me fine. |
| [04:20:00] | diamon: | hadees: Aplay worked you said, what did you play? |
| [04:20:00] | hadeees: | pce-matty, i only have mythtv installed at the moment |
| [04:20:00] | pce-matty: | espl: mtd isn't running in the background |
| [04:20:00] | pce-matty: | hadeees |
| [04:20:00] | hadeees: | diamon, the test wav files that came with it |
| [04:20:00] | pce-matty: | hadeees: that makes troubleshooting a little harder :) |
| [04:21:00] | diamon: | pce: I also had that error with a broken mtd. |
| [04:21:00] | pce-matty: | go on, it's gentoo, emerge myth-everything-zeroconfig |
| [04:21:00] | Esp1: | pce_matty: how do i start mtd? |
| [04:21:00] | diamon: | hadees: So you tried playing a recording in myth. Is that recording assured to have sound? Can you check it with some player, or on another system? |
| [04:21:00] | pce-matty: | well a broken mtd wouldn't be running in the background, it'd be like 'un'-running in the background |
| [04:22:00] | diamon: | Esp1: Try doing a 'mtd -n' and see what it says. |
| [04:22:00] | pce-matty: | espl: good question, where's a good place to start mtd... before or after the backend, root or user permissions... |
| [04:22:00] | diamon: | Mine said something silly like that it was built with transcoding disabled and didn't connect. |
| [04:23:00] | hadeees: | alright well i am emerging mplayer, i guess we will see what happens |
| [04:23:00] | diamon: | hadees: Let's hope! |
| [04:24:00] | diamon: | Esp1: If it's working, that command should eventually give a response similar to 'mtd is listening on port 2442', just ctrl-c to get out of it. If not, it needs fixing one way or another. |
| [04:25:00] | Esp1: | looks lite the command was working..... |
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| [04:25:00] | diamon: | And now I afk a bit. My damage here is done... :) |
| [04:25:00] | diamon: | If it worked, then I don't know why the rip wouldn't operate... |
| [04:26:00] | rjune: | what's the name of myth's transcoding daemon? |
| [04:27:00] | Esp1: | rjune: mtd |
| [04:28:00] | rjune: | thanks |
| [04:29:00] | defaultro: | anyone knows what to modify in .asoundrc so that any audio sent to non-spdif be redirected to spdif port? |
| [04:30:00] | defaultro: | am gonna try this, pcm.!default to use hw:0,2 |
| [04:30:00] | defaultro: | just got a reply from #alsa :) |
| [04:32:00] | rjune: | defaultro: hey |
| [04:32:00] | rjune: | what's new/ |
| [04:33:00] | rjune: | when I go to rip a DVD, prompts me to start mtd, I start it, then it says no jobs, checking and/or waiting for dvd. |
| [04:33:00] | rjune: | that usually indicates a lack of a dvd right? |
| [04:33:00] | Esp1: | rjune: or that you nee to dl the libdvdread |
| [04:34:00] | rjune: | Hmmm.. |
| [04:34:00] | rjune: | have a dvd in the drive, and libdvdread |
| [04:34:00] | Esp1: | rjune: you have this file? /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
| [04:35:00] | rjune: | no |
| [04:35:00] | Esp1: | guess you are not on a debian then... |
| [04:35:00] | xris: | any 64bit fedora users here? |
| [04:35:00] | ** pce-matty frowns ** | |
| [04:36:00] | rjune: | nope, fedora 3 |
| [04:36:00] | pce-matty: | the #ivman forum looks pretty empty |
| [04:36:00] | xris: | atrpms has a bunch of "fix build on 64 bit" things in the spec relating to the "lib" directory path.. just wondering what it is and if it's been fixed in mythtv cvs so I can remove the "fixes" from the spec. |
| [04:37:00] | Esp1: | rjune: have no idea than.... |
| [04:37:00] | rjune: | I'll check, maybe it's the version I have |
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| [04:43:00] | diamon: | xris: Yep, 64 on one system. |
| [04:43:00] | xris: | diamon: is there any weirdness with /lib/ ? |
| [04:43:00] | xris: | or /usr/lib/? |
| [04:43:00] | diamon: | Wierdness how? |
| [04:43:00] | xris: | like a separation of 32- and 64-bit libraries? |
| [04:43:00] | diamon: | Oh, yes, I have that. |
| [04:44:00] | xris: | what's the path look like? |
| [04:44:00] | diamon: | And apt-get (last I tried) barfs over that. |
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| [04:45:00] | diamon: | I've got a /lib and a /lib64, myself. |
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| [04:45:00] | diamon: | Same file names in each though, just supports both arch's. |
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| [04:46:00] | hadees: | alright so i moved over a recording and played it in mplayer and it had no sound either |
| [04:46:00] | hadees: | so there is something wrong with the backend |
| [04:47:00] | diamon: | And /usr is the same, /lib and /lib64 present. |
| [04:47:00] | diamon: | hadees: Damn am I good... |
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| [04:47:00] | diamon: | Tuner mis-set or something? |
| [04:47:00] | ecognito: | Hi, has anybody managed to get nuv2avi to compile under Fedora Core 4? |
| [04:48:00] | diamon: | That's why I suggested mplayer, it can try to play /dev/video0 and see what it gets. |
| [04:48:00] | diamon: | Or if it's a PVR-*50, try the cat command test to capture pure mpeg. |
| [04:48:00] | hadees: | diamon, your only 1/4 good, you get the other 3/4 once i have audio |
| [04:49:00] | diamon: | hadees: Gotta be fast then. What's your card? |
| [04:49:00] | diamon: | bt878, pvr-*, whatever. |
| [04:49:00] | Russ: | whenever I enable quickdnr on my frontend, it crashes :( |
| [04:49:00] | Russ: | and its too slow to run denoise3d |
| [04:50:00] | diamon: | Russ: Are those in Myth? I don't have either. |
| [04:50:00] | Russ: | they are filters for noise in the signal |
| [04:50:00] | Russ: | usually, you want your frontend to run one of them |
| [04:51:00] | abarbaccia: | woot – got transcode installed on an ubuntu-extra repository |
| [04:52:00] | diamon: | Russ: Never used either, sorry... |
| [04:52:00] | diamon: | hadees: I need to head off for work soon.... |
| [04:52:00] | diamon: | Russ: Where would I set them? Maybe I can try fast. |
| [04:53:00] | ** pce-matty is back with a kebab ** | |
| [04:53:00] | Russ: | you just enable type them in the filter box on the tv settings playback configuration |
| [04:53:00] | hadees: | diamon, i have 3 cards, a pvr-250 and 2 m179s |
| [04:53:00] | Russ: | same place you enable deinterlacing |
| [04:53:00] | hadees: | pce-matty, i figured it out, its a backend problem |
| [04:53:00] | hadees: | pce-matty, well sort of figured it out, still got no sound |
| [04:54:00] | ** pce-matty blinks ** | |
| [04:54:00] | pce-matty: | what was your backend doing? |
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| [04:55:00] | hadees: | nothing, but i copyed over a nuv and played it with mplayer and it didn't have any sound and i know mplayer works because i played a wav with it |
| [04:55:00] | diamon: | Russ: Ah, I found it. I'm using a PVR-*50, they don't use filters, can't touch the stream that early. No idea, really. Sorry. |
| [04:55:00] | diamon: | hadees: Try 'mplayer /dev/video0 -vo somethingthatworks' and see what it does. |
| [04:56:00] | Russ: | the filter is in playback... |
| [04:56:00] | Russ: | not recording |
| [04:56:00] | mchou: | oh god. I hear back from my Senator re Broadcast Flag flap a few months ago. |
| [04:56:00] | Russ: | for some reason, to enable filters in recording, you have to do it by channel |
| [04:57:00] | hadees: | diamon, that won't work from there, i have a seprate backend and frontend |
| [04:57:00] | Russ: | so if you have 70 channels, you have to type it in every damn one |
| [04:57:00] | defaultro: | how's it mchou? |
| [04:57:00] | mchou: | "I feel strongly that we must prevent the theft of copyrighted works, and that includes digital television programming." |
| [04:58:00] | mchou: | WTF??? |
| [04:58:00] | pce-matty: | now some tv cards have a seperate audio driver don't they? you're not missing a kernel module for that? |
| [04:58:00] | diamon: | hadees: And try the 'cat /dev/video0' test the FC3 instructions have for the PVR-series systems at http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php . That should cap pure mpeg2, then just copy it forward manually or whatever. THat can help verify if the capture cards are what's all bent or if it's something else at least. Verify card operation, then verify the rest. |
| [04:58:00] | mchou: | My senator has clearly been bought by Hollywood. |
| [04:58:00] | diamon: | And now, I must go back to lurking, got to run to work. |
| [04:58:00] | Chutt: | the backend's not going to cause a recording to not have sound. |
| [04:58:00] | diamon: | mchou: Gotta love it, eh? |
| [04:58:00] | pce-matty: | hadees: afraid i've got tunnel vision when it comes to cards and stuff... i'm very much in the dvb_bt8xx cx88_dvb world here |
| [04:59:00] | Russ: | mchou: did you pay for that program you are about to watch? I don't think you, mpaa says, "I rule you!" |
| [04:59:00] | mchou: | sigh, now I have to strighten her out too. |
| [04:59:00] | Chutt: | well, unless you've set the volume to 0 |
| [04:59:00] | Russ: | I think "fair use" has been translated to "fair for who?" |
| [04:59:00] | defaultro: | :( |
| [04:59:00] | diamon: | Chutt: Or the tuner is nearly right (like I set mine to 57, changed channels fine, but no sound). |
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| [04:59:00] | Chutt: | right, but that's not a myth problem |
| [05:00:00] | mchou: | Russ: she even uses the wrong vocabulary. "theft???" |
| [05:00:00] | mchou: | copyright infrigement maybe, but no "theft" |
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| [05:00:00] | diamon: | Chutt: Not at all, I'm just saying to verify operation of the most fundamental portion of a video capture system (the capture devices) before bothering to troubleshoot anything else. |
| [05:00:00] | mchou: | not* |
| [05:00:00] | Chutt: | right |
| [05:00:00] | diamon: | mchou: Go give 'em a what-for! :) |
| [05:00:00] | Chutt: | i wasn't disagreeing with you :p |
| [05:00:00] | mchou: | clueless senators. |
| [05:01:00] | diamon: | hadees: Gotta run, maybe I'll hop back on from work if it's quiet, but that'll likely be an hour or three. |
| [05:01:00] | rjune: | there's another kind? |
| [05:01:00] | Chutt: | hmm, i think i shall purge gnome off of here |
| [05:01:00] | mchou: | so is taping a program considered "theft" now? |
| [05:02:00] | Russ: | hmmm...so does that mean that its a bad thing for john mccain to be in wedding crashers? |
| [05:02:00] | mchou: | sheesh!! |
| [05:02:00] | Chutt: | no, but sending it out over the internet is |
| [05:02:00] | Russ: | its fair use to send an episode of battlestar galactica to a friend who is spending two months overseas |
| [05:02:00] | mchou: | fileshareing is "theft," I agree. |
| [05:02:00] | Russ: | if he was here, he'd watch it |
| [05:02:00] | Chutt: | technically, it's not |
| [05:03:00] | Chutt: | fair use is personal only |
| [05:03:00] | Russ: | If I'm talking to him on the phone am I supposed to mute the phone so he can't accidentally hear it? |
| [05:03:00] | Russ: | wtf |
| [05:03:00] | Russ: | phones, the next DRM frontier |
| [05:03:00] | mchou: | this really pisses me off. |
| [05:03:00] | mchou: | I wrote my senator re BF and she responds with "theft" |
| [05:04:00] | mchou: | wtf. |
| [05:04:00] | Russ: | so, its illegal to record a show on a VCR tape and loan it to a friend? |
| [05:04:00] | Russ: | what if you invite a friend over to watch the tape? |
| [05:04:00] | Russ: | mchou: they are watching you now |
| [05:04:00] | mchou: | screw them. |
| [05:04:00] | rjune: | mchou: bf? |
| [05:04:00] | mchou: | Broadcast Flag. |
| [05:05:00] | rjune: | the broadcast flag is theft, I agree |
| [05:05:00] | mchou: | rjune: lol |
| [05:05:00] | rjune: | surprising clarity of thinking from your senator |
| [05:05:00] | pce-matty: | you stole your senators boyfriend? |
| [05:05:00] | pce-matty: | nice work |
| [05:05:00] | mchou: | rjune: scroll up to see what my senator said. |
| [05:06:00] | Esp1: | Russ: whether it is illegal or not, depends on which cuntry you live. |
| [05:06:00] | mchou: | Sigh. WTF happened?? |
| [05:06:00] | rjune: | mchou: clearly |
| [05:07:00] | mchou: | I can't beleve she is a democrat. |
| [05:07:00] | rjune: | mchou: I can |
| [05:07:00] | Russ: | you actually think it matters? |
| [05:07:00] | mchou: | spineless |
| [05:07:00] | rjune: | did you write back saying they should protect the rights of citizens |
| [05:07:00] | mchou: | no, but democrats are supposed to be against big business interests. |
| [05:07:00] | mchou: | in theory anyways. |
| [05:07:00] | Russ: | ha |
| [05:08:00] | mchou: | rjune: I plan to. |
| [05:08:00] | Russ: | where do you think they get their money? |
| [05:08:00] | rjune: | that's funny |
| [05:08:00] | Russ: | same damn place |
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| [05:08:00] | rjune: | mchou: welcome to the real world. |
| [05:08:00] | rjune: | politicions will screw you |
| [05:08:00] | mchou: | this is just too depressing when ppl equate copyright infringement as "theft" |
| [05:08:00] | rjune: | ayup |
| [05:09:00] | mchou: | and dont understand the distinction. |
| [05:09:00] | rjune: | and copyrights are getting to last about for freaking ever |
| [05:09:00] | Chutt: | it's too depressing when people quibble about the semantics of a couple words |
| [05:09:00] | mchou: | no concept of public domain anymore. |
| [05:10:00] | Chutt: | IT'S NOT THEFT!@#!#@!@ IT"S COPYWRITE INFRINGEMENET!@#!# |
| [05:10:00] | Chutt: | as if that makes it ok |
| [05:10:00] | mchou: | Chutt: so myth does not promote copyright infringement? |
| [05:10:00] | Chutt: | does it? |
| [05:10:00] | mchou: | even if none of us share files? |
| [05:11:00] | Chutt: | i'd like to think that people will respect my copyright on my code |
| [05:11:00] | rjune: | Chutt: nobody is saying it's ok or not ok. |
| [05:11:00] | rjune: | just that theft != copyright infringement |
| [05:11:00] | Chutt: | read slashdot sometime |
| [05:11:00] | Chutt: | sure they are |
| [05:12:00] | Cromz: | ok so like I got constatine.. what you got to trade? lol j/k :P |
| [05:12:00] | rjune: | let me rephrase. nobody here. |
| [05:12:00] | rjune: | heh |
| [05:12:00] | mchou: | Chutt: I dont share my mythfiles with anyone. |
| [05:12:00] | Chutt: | then what's the big deal? |
| [05:12:00] | Chutt: | do you record hd from ota broadcasts? |
| [05:13:00] | mchou: | sure I do. |
| [05:13:00] | Chutt: | then you have a tuner card that ignores the broadcast flag |
| [05:13:00] | mchou: | so is that considered theft (if BF passed)? |
| [05:13:00] | pce-matty: | it's not copyright infingement, it's fair use |
| [05:13:00] | mchou: | or even copyright infringment? |
| [05:13:00] | rjune: | I share mine with my mother. I'm an evil theif |
| [05:13:00] | Chutt: | if a copyright owner says you can't make a copy of something |
| [05:14:00] | Chutt: | and gives ways in how it _can_ be used |
| [05:14:00] | Chutt: | and says the ways in which it can't |
| [05:14:00] | pce-matty: | ignoring the bf flag is the same as ignoring macrovision or dvd region settings |
| [05:14:00] | Chutt: | how's that any different than the terms of the gpl? |
| [05:14:00] | rjune: | GPL doesn't interfere with fair use. broadcast flag can. |
| [05:14:00] | Chutt: | doesn't matter |
| [05:15:00] | pce-matty: | supporting the bf flag costs the card manufacturers money, there will always be cards available that won't be bf crippled |
| [05:15:00] | mchou: | yes it does matter. |
| [05:15:00] | Chutt: | no, it doesn't |
| [05:15:00] | Chutt: | how's it _any_ different than the terms of the gpl? |
| [05:15:00] | mchou: | copyright is not supposed to control "use." |
| [05:15:00] | Chutt: | it's supposed to control copying |
| [05:15:00] | abarbaccia: | bf is dead – who cares – lets work on getting CSS revolked |
| [05:15:00] | Chutt: | which you're doing |
| [05:16:00] | Chutt: | when you <gasp>, make a recording of the broadcast |
| [05:17:00] | mchou: | exactly. So Sony vs. Universal makes no sense? |
| [05:17:00] | Chutt: | doesn't apply |
| [05:17:00] | mchou: | i.e. Betamax. |
| [05:17:00] | mchou: | why doesnt't it apply? |
| [05:17:00] | Chutt: | because there's nothing in a ntsc broadcast that defines how it can be used |
| [05:18:00] | mchou: | Universal didnt want ma machine around to table broadcasts. |
| [05:18:00] | mchou: | tape* |
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| [05:18:00] | rjune: | what is the diff between ac3 audio and dts audio? |
| [05:18:00] | mchou: | the fact there was a means or no means of BF in analog space is irrelevant. |
| [05:18:00] | Chutt: | rjune, different companies? |
| [05:19:00] | rjune: | I dunno |
| [05:19:00] | rjune: | it's options in dvd rip |
| [05:19:00] | Chutt: | um |
| [05:19:00] | mchou: | Universal had control of copyright, no? |
| [05:19:00] | Chutt: | that's the difference |
| [05:19:00] | Chutt: | mchou, how were they supposed to say 'don't copy this'? |
| [05:19:00] | rjune: | oh, the ? threw me |
| [05:19:00] | Chutt: | anyway |
| [05:19:00] | mchou: | Which mean Universal gets to dictate use, no? |
| [05:19:00] | mchou: | or "opies" |
| [05:20:00] | mchou: | copies* |
| [05:20:00] | Chutt: | is there anything dictating the copies of an analog broadcast? |
| [05:20:00] | Chutt: | no |
| [05:20:00] | rjune: | anybody use a card with 6channel out with myth? |
| [05:20:00] | mchou: | right. there wasn't. |
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| [05:21:00] | Esp1: | what the companies are saying is that we have to use all the products their way. If we buy a coke they want it to be illigal to drink it from a glas. |
| [05:21:00] | mchou: | but now it's OK because they can insert flag (in theory?) |
| [05:21:00] | Chutt: | esp1, it's their products, don't they get some say in how it's handled? |
| [05:22:00] | rjune: | they do get some say. |
| [05:22:00] | Chutt: | just some? |
| [05:22:00] | rjune: | however, copyright law has provided for the end user to have some control in how they use it too |
| [05:22:00] | mchou: | some is exactly right. |
| [05:22:00] | mchou: | it's not exclusive control. |
| [05:22:00] | mchou: | like right of first sale :) |
| [05:23:00] | Esp1: | for me it is as recicilus as if pepsi demanded us to drink from the bottle..... |
| [05:23:00] | rjune: | patents and copyright are legal inventions. they exist soley within the framework of law |
| [05:23:00] | Chutt: | recicilus? |
| [05:23:00] | Esp1: | it is not iligal to make copies of digital media here....or eaven remove copy protection.... |
| [05:23:00] | mchou: | or timeshifting/spaceshifting. |
| [05:23:00] | Esp1: | but it is illigal to dl or share it on internet. |
| [05:23:00] | mchou: | which was what Sony vs. Universal was about. |
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| [05:39:00] | Chutt: | heh, missing xhost, xrandr, xsetmode, and xsetpointer |
| [05:41:00] | mchou: | Chutt: from http://www.law.uga.edu/jipl/old/vol1/patterson.html |
| [05:41:00] | mchou: | "onsider, for example, copyright notices that deny anyone the right to make any copy of any portion of a work by any means for any purpose without the written consent of the copyright owner. The Supreme Court in Wheaton made clear the unlawfulness of such claims with its rhetorical question: "Is there an implied contract by every purchaser of his book, that he may realize whatever instruction or entertainment which the reading of it |
| [05:41:00] | mchou: | but shall not write out or print its contents[?]" |
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| [05:43:00] | Chutt: | hrm, i kinda need xhost |
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| [05:43:00] | Chutt: | guess i won't be upgrading now |
| [05:43:00] | mmead: | anyone using an air2pc? |
| [05:44:00] | mchou: | mmead: was. |
| [05:44:00] | mmead: | mchou: I finally got it working to receive channels. |
| [05:44:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:44:00] | mmead: | mchou: but somehow mythfilldatabase does not provide guide data for them. |
| [05:44:00] | mchou: | I was there at least 4 months ago :) |
| [05:44:00] | mmead: | mchou: well, I just got my card *today* |
| [05:45:00] | mchou: | oh, air2pc finally shipped? |
| [05:45:00] | mmead: | mchou: no |
| [05:45:00] | mmead: | mchou: I bought a 1 gen |
| [05:45:00] | mchou: | oh, ok. Had me there for a sec :) |
| [05:46:00] | mmead: | mchou: why would it not be able to get guide data for it? |
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| [05:47:00] | mchou: | sure, if you live in US and use zap2it. |
| [05:47:00] | mchou: | use this script: http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/hdtvscan2dd.pl.txt |
| [05:47:00] | mchou: | foloow directions on top. |
| [05:47:00] | mchou: | end of problems. |
| [05:47:00] | mchou: | follow* |
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| [05:47:00] | mmead: | mchou: wow |
| [05:48:00] | mmead: | mchou: canned solution |
| [05:48:00] | mmead: | mchou: does it line up the xmltv ids? |
| [05:48:00] | mchou: | yeah. |
| [05:48:00] | mchou: | just go ahead and use it already. |
| [05:48:00] | mmead: | mchou: heh :) |
| [05:48:00] | mchou: | stop bothering ppl like me :) |
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| [05:49:00] | mmead: | mchou: well, sorry you're bitter, but thanks a bundle for the help! |
| [05:49:00] | mchou: | and wake me up when the new rev of air2pc ships :) |
| [05:49:00] | mmead: | mchou: heh, you'll be asleep a few weeks at least |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | more like a month. :) |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | if not more. |
| [05:50:00] | mmead: | mchou: that's why I bought the 1gen |
| [05:50:00] | mmead: | mchou: they just went down in price again – $49.99 |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | mmead: bah. I think you made a poor choice :) |
| [05:50:00] | mmead: | mchou: why? |
| [05:51:00] | mchou: | mmead: where do you live? |
| [05:51:00] | mmead: | richmond |
| [05:51:00] | mchou: | mmead: you subscribe to cable? |
| [05:51:00] | mchou: | richmond, VA? |
| [05:51:00] | mmead: | mchou: yes |
| [05:51:00] | mmead: | mchou: and yes |
| [05:51:00] | mchou: | how far are TV towers? |
| [05:51:00] | mmead: | mchou: <10 miles for most |
| [05:52:00] | mmead: | mchou: I'm getting everything except upn |
| [05:52:00] | mchou: | you live in a valley or anything like that? |
| [05:52:00] | mmead: | no |
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| [05:52:00] | mmead: | why? |
| [05:52:00] | mchou: | tall buildings nearby? |
| [05:52:00] | mmead: | nope |
| [05:52:00] | mchou: | ok. |
| [05:52:00] | mmead: | multipath? |
| [05:53:00] | mchou: | You dont want clear QAM? |
| [05:53:00] | mmead: | it would be nice |
| [05:53:00] | mmead: | but I'm not as concerned with it |
| [05:53:00] | mmead: | if I pay the money for cable HD I'll just use firewire |
| [05:53:00] | mchou: | I think probably Avermedia A180 may have been a better choice. |
| [05:54:00] | mchou: | or Fusion 5 gold. |
| [05:54:00] | mchou: | air2pc is OK, but not if it's not available :) |
| [05:55:00] | mmead: | mchou: heh :) |
| [05:55:00] | mmead: | mchou: well, everything I'd read was to use that |
| [05:55:00] | mchou: | mmead: you get it on ebay then? |
| [05:55:00] | mmead: | mchou: if the path to getting one of the other cards working is any more treacherous, I would have just left it be and sat it until more people had it working |
| [05:55:00] | mmead: | yes |
| [05:55:00] | mchou: | mmead: what you read was outdated (recently) |
| [05:56:00] | mmead: | mchou: well, that's a bummer |
| [05:56:00] | mchou: | mmead: "buy it now" option? |
| [05:56:00] | mmead: | mchou: yep |
| [05:56:00] | mmead: | mchou: the next thing I buy I suppose will be an xvmc capable card |
| [05:56:00] | mchou: | mmead: you use indoor or outdoor antenna? |
| [05:57:00] | mmead: | mchou: right now it's indoor |
| [05:57:00] | mchou: | so how do you know that it's really working? |
| [05:57:00] | mchou: | (like you dont get dropouts or artifacts) |
| [05:59:00] | mmead: | mchou: I suppose I don't know entirely |
| [05:59:00] | mchou: | hehe :) |
| [05:59:00] | mmead: | mchou: the channels that are lower-bandwidth work fine |
| [05:59:00] | mchou: | what proc you got now? |
| [05:59:00] | mmead: | mchou: athlon xp 2100+ (1733) |
| [05:59:00] | mchou: | ouch. |
| [06:00:00] | mchou: | I see an upgrade in your future very soon. |
| [06:00:00] | mmead: | I expect about 33% cpu use with an xvmc card |
| [06:00:00] | mmead: | heh, yes |
| [06:00:00] | mmead: | wuold do dual opteron but for price |
| [06:00:00] | mchou: | well, that's assuming XVMC works. |
| [06:00:00] | mmead: | heh, yep |
| [06:00:00] | mchou: | and you're way too optimistic on CPU util. |
| [06:01:00] | mchou: | XVMC maybe reduce CPU util around 25% at most if you get lucky. |
| [06:02:00] | mchou: | not around, I meant by |
| [06:02:00] | mmead: | I grok |
| [06:02:00] | mmead: | mchou: hmm, I primarily want to catch some specific shows with it |
| [06:02:00] | mmead: | mchou: if I have to transcode that's fine |
| [06:02:00] | mmead: | mchou: til I upgrade |
| [06:02:00] | mchou: | ouch!! |
| [06:02:00] | mmead: | mchou: a gf mx440 looks pretty cheap |
| [06:03:00] | mmead: | mchou: I think the core of the mx440 works just as well for xvmc as the 6xxx |
| [06:03:00] | mchou: | you must have lots of diskspce :) |
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| [06:03:00] | mmead: | yeah |
| [06:03:00] | mchou: | mmead: I'd re-evaluate that. |
| [06:03:00] | mmead: | mchou: why |
| [06:04:00] | mchou: | MSFT recommends a vidcard with >10GB/s bandwidth. |
| [06:04:00] | mchou: | and a 2.4GHz CPU minimum. |
| [06:04:00] | mmead: | mchou: so what is that, agp 8x? |
| [06:05:00] | mchou: | I dont think linux is going to be that much more efficient :) |
| [06:05:00] | mchou: | that implies >=fx5600 Ultra |
| [06:06:00] | mmead: | for 1080i or 768p? |
| [06:06:00] | mchou: | (that's for 1080i, clearly) |
| [06:06:00] | mmead: | well, my display device will be 800x600 for some time to come |
| [06:07:00] | mchou: | ouch. |
| [06:07:00] | mmead: | *shrug* |
| [06:07:00] | mmead: | looks pretty good at 100" |
| [06:07:00] | mchou: | downscaling. hehe, even more CPU needed. |
| [06:07:00] | mmead: | of course |
| [06:07:00] | mchou: | Think it might be time for you to re-evaluate :) |
| [06:08:00] | mmead: | it's pretty close on what I have now |
| [06:08:00] | mmead: | which is just plain xv |
| [06:08:00] | mchou: | meh |
| [06:08:00] | mchou: | I tried XP2600+ and was not all that happy. |
| [06:09:00] | mmead: | what were you displaying to? |
| [06:09:00] | mmead: | did you just abandon hd? |
| [06:09:00] | GeckoFiend: | mchou no CPU is needed for downascaling it's done on the GPU |
| [06:09:00] | mchou: | no, I upgraded. |
| [06:09:00] | mmead: | mchou: to? |
| [06:09:00] | mchou: | GeckoFiend: that's what I meant :) |
| [06:10:00] | mchou: | 3200+, 6600gt |
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| [06:10:00] | mmead: | mchou: athlon 64? |
| [06:10:00] | mchou: | box still in limbo. |
| [06:11:00] | mchou: | yeah. |
| [06:11:00] | mmead: | athlon 64 is pretty cheap |
| [06:11:00] | mchou: | huh?? |
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| [06:11:00] | mchou: | I didnt enjoy spend $500 if that's what you mean :) |
| [06:11:00] | mmead: | a 3200+ is <$200 |
| [06:12:00] | mmead: | you can keep a motherboard <$120 |
| [06:12:00] | mchou: | mmead: nono, the whole shebang |
| [06:12:00] | mmead: | ic |
| [06:12:00] | mchou: | CPU, mobo, memory, vidcard |
| [06:12:00] | mchou: | no PS and HDD. |
| [06:13:00] | mchou: | fo that price UI should have bought a new HDTV set :) |
| [06:13:00] | mchou: | s/UI/I |
| [06:16:00] | mmead: | :) |
| [06:16:00] | mmead: | ah well, I guess you just have to look at it as fun to tinker with |
| [06:16:00] | mchou: | I wonder what decoders are in a HDTV sey. |
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| [06:16:00] | mchou: | set* |
| [06:17:00] | mchou: | like what kind of proc/asic hdtv sets have for decoding. |
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| [06:17:00] | mmead: | mchou: lots of bw |
| [06:17:00] | mchou: | mmead: what has lots of bw? |
| [06:18:00] | mmead: | those chipsets |
| [06:18:00] | mchou: | what chips get used? |
| [06:18:00] | mmead: | mchou: dunno, but they are clearly high bandwidth |
| [06:19:00] | mchou: | maybe every HDTV should just come with a free playstation 3 inside :) |
| [06:22:00] | mmead: | how long ago did you do your upgrade? |
| [06:22:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [06:22:00] | mchou: | the new box is still in pieces :) |
| [06:23:00] | mmead: | looks doable for about $415 |
| [06:23:00] | mmead: | not that I will spend that right now |
| [06:23:00] | mmead: | going to do the video card first and see what that gets me |
| [06:23:00] | mchou: | I still debating whether to put it all together. |
| [06:24:00] | mmead: | mchou: :) |
| [06:24:00] | mmead: | mchou: thanks again for the perl script – I will try it tomorrow |
| [06:24:00] | mchou: | umm, 415 is a bit optimstic. |
| [06:25:00] | mmead: | well, like I said, I would use a different video card |
| [06:25:00] | mchou: | like? |
| [06:25:00] | mmead: | mx440 |
| [06:25:00] | mchou: | bah. |
| [06:26:00] | mmead: | the newer cards are little better on xvmc from what I've read about the internals |
| [06:26:00] | mmead: | figure it would be a good place to start |
| [06:26:00] | mchou: | mx440 dont even have component, do they? |
| [06:26:00] | mmead: | don't need it |
| [06:27:00] | mchou: | proabably dont even have dvi. |
| [06:27:00] | mchou: | anyway. Make sure you get it from a place that takes returns :) |
| [06:28:00] | mchou: | just in case there isnt enough meomory bandwidth :) |
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| [06:29:00] | mchou: | make sure you prerecord some 1080 and 768 material to test it out quickly. |
| [06:29:00] | mmead: | mchou: thanks :) |
| [06:29:00] | mchou: | need stats like jitter and frame drops. |
| [06:30:00] | mmead: | mchou: yeah... |
| [06:30:00] | mmead: | mchou: gonna get some sleep – good luck with your build! |
| [06:30:00] | mchou: | yeah. |
| [06:32:00] | mishehu: | *sigh* |
| [06:32:00] | mishehu: | neither avifile nor transcode will seem to compile for 64 bit... they both keep trying to do -lgcc_s_32. :-/ |
| [06:34:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:34:00] | mchou: | you still on that?? |
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| [06:35:00] | mchou: | some ppl just dont get the hint |
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| [06:36:00] | topping: | is that hint thing something i can get for USB? |
| [06:36:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:37:00] | mishehu: | mchou: I haven't had time since yesterday to monkey around with it. |
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| [06:42:00] | mchou: | haha! this is funny! http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/en . . . 12180299.htm |
| [06:44:00] | topping: | requires reg |
| [06:44:00] | topping: | is it on the home page? |
| [06:44:00] | mchou: | try bugmenot.com |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | no joke. |
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| [06:45:00] | mchou: | best site for this kind of stuff. |
| [06:46:00] | topping: | oh yah |
| [06:46:00] | topping: | "AO" games are a dime a dozen in tokyo. bunch of friggin prudes over here |
| [06:47:00] | mchou: | heh, Hillary should know :) |
| [06:47:00] | mchou: | after all, look what her hubby did |
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| [06:53:00] | Uberbot: | Hi all. |
| [06:53:00] | topping: | is this a trick? |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | what's atrick? |
| [06:54:00] | topping: | the bot asking how we are. |
| [06:54:00] | Uberbot: | Does anyone know if it is possible to get a frame grab with Myth? |
| [06:54:00] | topping: | i guess not |
| [06:54:00] | Uberbot: | Like while I'm watching live tv? |
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| [06:55:00] | mchou: | use myth edit function, then take a screenshot :) |
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| [06:57:00] | Uberbot: | Take the screenshot from KDE? |
| [06:58:00] | mchou: | yeah. PrintScr. |
| [07:01:00] | Uberbot: | Well, ksnapshot doesn't work. All I get is blue. |
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| [07:37:00] | phi0x: | yo |
| [07:38:00] | phi0x: | anyone know how to setup canadian-cable instead of us-cable |
| [07:38:00] | phi0x: | cause all my channels are up 1 channel. |
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| [07:38:00] | phi0x: | so channel 2 is channel 3, yet the listings for channel 3 are channel 3, not what channel 2 is supposed to be etc.. |
| [07:38:00] | awstott: | mythtv just gets it's listings from zap2it or whatever doesn't it? that works for shaw |
| [07:38:00] | travolta: | awstott, yea |
| [07:39:00] | awstott: | I havn't setup my box.... I just started looking into this tonite so imma idle in here and see what i can learn |
| [07:39:00] | awstott: | wow lots of canucks in here |
| [07:39:00] | travolta: | just start off with the howto |
| [07:39:00] | awstott: | I need a card first |
| [07:40:00] | awstott: | I have an ati tv wonder pro in my windows box but it doesn't record worth crap |
| [07:40:00] | phi0x: | yeah i read howto |
| [07:40:00] | phi0x: | it says u have to read the fricken mailing list because they dont have a damn forum! |
| [07:40:00] | travolta: | phi0x, us-cable, just use that |
| [07:40:00] | phi0x: | so i was going through like 6 months of mailing list couldnt find any answer |
| [07:40:00] | travolta: | same |
| [07:40:00] | phi0x: | how can i use that |
| [07:41:00] | travolta: | same thing |
| [07:41:00] | phi0x: | its not though |
| [07:41:00] | travolta: | where ever you are trying to set it to whatever |
| [07:41:00] | phi0x: | ppl have proven its not |
| [07:41:00] | phi0x: | because it sends diff channel frequency or something |
| [07:41:00] | phi0x: | and bumps all ur damn channels up one |
| [07:41:00] | travolta: | off by 1 ch ? |
| [07:41:00] | phi0x: | so my channel 2 is displaying on channel 3 |
| [07:41:00] | phi0x: | and the guild stays the same but channel is up 1 |
| [07:41:00] | travolta: | i think i remember reading about it, dont knwo how to fix it |
| [07:42:00] | phi0x: | so channel 2, tv guide, shows on channel 3, but the guide shows whats really supposed to be on channel 3 |
| [07:42:00] | phi0x: | yeah i read about it too |
| [07:42:00] | phi0x: | but it doesnt say how to fix |
| [07:42:00] | phi0x: | says read mailing list |
| [07:42:00] | travolta: | its fixable |
| [07:42:00] | phi0x: | yeah |
| [07:42:00] | phi0x: | but so far no one has been able to help me for past week |
| [07:42:00] | travolta: | used that us-cable setting |
| [07:42:00] | travolta: | works for me |
| [07:43:00] | phi0x: | really pissing me off have everything setup so nice cept for damn remote which is another problem, trying to setup my media center 2005 remote but its the old style edition one |
| [07:43:00] | phi0x: | where do u live travolta |
| [07:43:00] | phi0x: | i live BC |
| [07:43:00] | travolta: | bc :) |
| [07:43:00] | travolta: | van |
| [07:43:00] | phi0x: | white rock |
| [07:43:00] | phi0x: | ;/ |
| [07:43:00] | phi0x: | so u set urs to us-cable |
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| [07:44:00] | phi0x: | mines at us-cable setting |
| [07:44:00] | phi0x: | but it has all channels up one |
| [07:44:00] | phi0x: | and also i dont hear any sound for some reason im usin alsa i think |
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| [07:48:00] | travolta: | yea, i used us-cable |
| [07:48:00] | travolta: | using alsa too |
| [07:50:00] | travolta: | and haupage pvr250 |
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| [08:33:00] | pce-matty: | bah, i hate working in 1024x768 |
| [08:39:00] | Chutt: | how barbaric |
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| [09:27:00] | phi0x: | sups |
| [09:27:00] | phi0x: | hey guys just wondering what is the easiest remote to setup with lirc/mythtv |
| [09:27:00] | phi0x: | i used fedora core and did rpm/apt-get/yum mythtv install |
| [09:28:00] | phi0x: | and i got lirc installed etc.. |
| [09:28:00] | phi0x: | what is easiest remote to setup, i already have a windows xp media center edition 2004/2005 old style remote/reciever |
| [09:28:00] | phi0x: | how can i setup that easily, and also my friend is wanting to buy a remote for when i help him build his old gaming box into a media center. |
| [09:28:00] | phi0x: | whats best easiest hassle free ok looking remote? |
| [09:29:00] | phi0x: | that works 100% with lircd/mythtv. |
| [09:29:00] | Qwell: | picky |
| [09:29:00] | Qwell: | cheapest too, right? |
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| [09:34:00] | phi0x: | not really |
| [09:34:00] | phi0x: | 100$ range. |
| [09:34:00] | phi0x: | preferably 55$ with tax included though |
| [09:35:00] | phi0x: | something that doesnt look like its going to fall apart, and doesnt look to tacky |
| [09:35:00] | phi0x: | and has all the main keys for functions in mythtv and is basically setup outa the box in lircd |
| [09:35:00] | phi0x: | because myself with my mce 2005 oldstyle remote i havent been able to get it to work through lirc i just dont know how to set it up properly |
| [09:36:00] | phi0x: | i found a mceusb tut but it was so complicated |
| [09:36:00] | phi0x: | it was wanting me to edit kernels and everything etc.. |
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| [09:54:00] | phi0x: | so did anyone answer the remote question? |
| [09:54:00] | phi0x: | for some reason my line disconnects but irc doesnt tell me so i was probably disconnecetd for like 10 mins lol |
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| [10:02:00] | travolta: | any remote is fine, have you tried your mce remote? |
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| [10:08:00] | pce-matty: | okay, there's no other mythui doco than: http://stealthboy.dyndns.org/~msherman/mythtv_theme_howto.html |
| [10:08:00] | pce-matty: | right? |
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| [10:49:00] | Esp1: | are there any msn type plugins for myth? |
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| [12:31:00] | abo: | hello , i'm new to mythtv and i have a few questions about my hardware set-up |
| [12:31:00] | Tommck: | ask them... I'll help if I can |
| [12:33:00] | abo: | i have a daul p3 550mhz system that I want to use as a backend system with skystar2 card (just a grabber no decoder) and i'm thinking about an old pc or an xbox as an playback system |
| [12:33:00] | abo: | will this work? |
| [12:33:00] | Tommck: | skystar2 is not a harware encoder? |
| [12:34:00] | abo: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_devices_DVB-S |
| [12:35:00] | Tommck: | yes or no would be good |
| [12:35:00] | Tommck: | you said "no decoder" and I wanted to know about ENcoding |
| [12:36:00] | abo: | i don't really understand the difference between encoding an deconding... i thought that you alwas decode the data |
| [12:37:00] | Tommck: | in order to DEcode the data, it has to be ENcoded at some point. But... I realized.... this is DVB... |
| [12:37:00] | Tommck: | which is ENcoded already before it gets to you |
| [12:37:00] | ** Tommck is from the US ** | |
| [12:37:00] | Tommck: | we don't have DVB here |
| [12:37:00] | mchou: | abo: forget about it. It's not enough juice. |
| [12:38:00] | Tommck: | mchou – he's talking about it just being a backend |
| [12:38:00] | mchou: | You can't really decode (watch) on 500Mhz (dont care if it's 8-way) |
| [12:38:00] | Tommck: | I think it might work as a dedicated backend |
| [12:38:00] | mchou: | if it's a back end it got plenty of juice. |
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| [12:39:00] | Tommck: | abo – define "old pc" |
| [12:39:00] | mchou: | only* |
| [12:39:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [12:39:00] | mchou: | abo: a dvb stream is digital (like mpeg) :) |
| [12:40:00] | mchou: | it's already encoded. |
| [12:40:00] | mchou: | so it is like downloading a mpeg file from the internet. |
| [12:40:00] | mchou: | dont need much cpu for that. |
| [12:40:00] | abo: | the old pc is actually a netfinity 5000 with daul p3 550mhz(katmai) 200gig hdd + 3scsi raid 5 array os: gentoo |
| [12:40:00] | mchou: | (one 500Mhz proc should be sufficient) |
| [12:41:00] | mchou: | you gonna need more storage space. |
| [12:41:00] | mchou: | :) |
| [12:41:00] | Tommck: | abo: I mean for the front-end you said "I'm thinking about an old pc or an xbox..." |
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| [12:42:00] | mchou: | that's the part he oght to forget about :) |
| [12:42:00] | mchou: | ought* |
| [12:42:00] | abo: | old pc will be something about 800mhz p3 |
| [12:42:00] | Tommck: | abo : that should work |
| [12:43:00] | mchou: | that depend on res of dvb programming. |
| [12:43:00] | mchou: | I think it's probably borderline. |
| [12:44:00] | Tommck: | I thought dvb was something like 720x576 |
| [12:44:00] | abo: | yes |
| [12:44:00] | mchou: | not always :) |
| [12:45:00] | Tommck: | it goes higher? |
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| [12:45:00] | mchou: | or lower. |
| [12:45:00] | Tommck: | oh.. then, I would think he'd be OK. |
| [12:46:00] | abo: | what would be a nice starting point |
| [12:46:00] | Tommck: | On Brandon Beattie's site, he says that, for a frontend/backend system you need "CPU of 800Mhz per "Dumb" TV Tuner card." (that's when you're doing software encoding) |
| [12:46:00] | Tommck: | http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux . . . r_needs.html that's the link for that info |
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| [12:47:00] | Tommck: | since you're doing a dedicated front end, you're not doing encoding there at all, I think it should work fine. |
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| [12:50:00] | Tommck: | I'm running Myth 0.18.1.20050523–1 (svn from May 23rd) and every other time I start up MythMusic, it crashes the MythFrontend. Anyone know why? |
| [12:50:00] | abo: | is it better to get my skystar working first or installing mythtv? |
| [12:50:00] | Tommck: | skystar |
| [12:51:00] | abo: | i don't to have to bother with sound and video card on the backend, right? |
| [12:51:00] | mchou: | Tommck: you been using myth enough to know the drill (gdb) |
| [12:51:00] | Tommck: | abo – as far as I know |
| [12:52:00] | Tommck: | true, but before I disassemble my car when it's making a noise, I usually ask people just in case it's something simple |
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| [12:53:00] | mchou: | abo: heh, if your server boots w/o video card, more power to ya :) |
| [12:53:00] | ** RabidDog sighs oh crap i think my gfx card is borked ** | |
| [12:53:00] | ** RabidDog it freezes when I launch 3d programs and this is after I smelt something funny from my box ** | |
| [12:53:00] | mchou: | RabidDog: send it to me :) |
| [12:53:00] | mchou: | I'll fix it :) |
| [12:54:00] | Tommck: | whoever smelt it delt it |
| [12:54:00] | mchou: | you're never supposed to let the magic smoke out :) |
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| [13:00:00] | RabidDog: | lol |
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| [14:25:00] | diamon: | Hmm, scanning for commercials seems to take almost exactly half the time that the recording took to make, or 30 mins to scan a 60 minute recording... Is this normal, or did I set my scan checks too high? |
| [14:25:00] | Tommck: | on a 486, that's really fast |
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| [14:27:00] | diamon: | Err, yeah... It's a Sempron 3100+, I'd thought it should be a bit quicker. |
| [14:27:00] | Tommck: | I was pointing out that you didn't tell us anything about your hardware and then asked us a hardware-dependent question |
| [14:28:00] | Tommck: | and I have no idea, I've never timed it |
| [14:28:00] | diamon: | True enough, I really didn't specify. |
| [14:28:00] | diamon: | Do you have mythweb enabled on yours? It's quick to check through that. |
| [14:29:00] | Tommck: | yeah |
| [14:29:00] | Tommck: | how do I check? |
| [14:30:00] | diamon: | Just hit Backend Logs, if you have logging enabled it'll be listed there. |
| [14:30:00] | Tommck: | I don't |
| [14:30:00] | diamon: | Commercial Flagging for so-and-so start, then comm flagging end, just check the times. Ah, foo. |
| [14:30:00] | diamon: | Oh well, it was worth a try. |
| [14:31:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [14:31:00] | Tommck: | maybe someone else in here can help |
| [14:31:00] | diamon: | If there was anyone else. :) I'm sure someone does. |
| [14:34:00] | ** RabidDog says smoke in london tunnels again ** | |
| [14:34:00] | diamon: | Ugh, no fun... |
| [14:35:00] | diamon: | Yeah, it's on news.bbc.co.uk already, 3 stations closed for smoke... |
| [14:36:00] | diamon: | Northern, Victoria, Hammersmith, and City lines offline. Hmm. I wonder what it is this time, fault or freaks? |
| [14:36:00] | sphing: | diamon yea it seems to be half |
| [14:37:00] | ** RabidDog notes cnn is now just announcing ** | |
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| [14:37:00] | Tommck: | My local TV has had it for a while... |
| [14:38:00] | Tommck: | This is NBC |
| [14:38:00] | ** RabidDog notes nail bomb ** | |
| [14:38:00] | rsdvd: | according to the BC news.....a nailbomb has gone off |
| [14:38:00] | diamon: | A nail bomb is way too low-tech I'd think. I'm betting copycats then. |
| [14:38:00] | ** RabidDog initial reports coming in now ** | |
| [14:39:00] | rsdvd: | it is 2 weeks today since the last murders |
| [14:39:00] | RabidDog: | yes |
| [14:39:00] | Tommck: | diamon – the other stuff was high tech? |
| [14:39:00] | diamon: | Tommck: sadly, I get almost no value from TV news, so I tend to be a bit behind the slope but have cleaner data. |
| [14:39:00] | rsdvd: | the bbc news website has crashed |
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| [14:40:00] | diamon: | Tommck: Yeah, it was (as I recall) a high-explosive used in the bombs that is easy enough with a bit of knowledge and chemistry understanding, but really unstable. Very commonly used. Nail bombs smack of black powder or normal gunpowder, a whole class of difference. |
| [14:41:00] | Tommck: | right, but, in general, don't they just use whatever they can? |
| [14:41:00] | Tommck: | it's about terror, not actual damages |
| [14:43:00] | diamon: | Tommck: I'd have to type a ton to explain it, but basically it's a combination of mental ruts, 'professional pride', what they were taught, and who'd want to use k-mart brand black powder if they can send infidels to meet Satan with hand-crafted death... |
| [14:43:00] | diamon: | If it was just terror, things would be VERY different. It's kind of a pride-of-class thing. |
| [14:43:00] | Tommck: | well, that's pure conjecture |
| [14:44:00] | Tommck: | nail bombs are VERY frequently used in the middle east |
| [14:44:00] | diamon: | Tommck: Very, but the simplest and most obvious explanation is usually correct. Time and forensics will prove. I bet a local gimp who thought it'd be a lark to become 'important' did it. |
| [14:45:00] | diamon: | tommck: HE nailbombs I suppose. Nobody's talking about more blasts though, just smoke and nailbombs. |
| [14:45:00] | Tommck: | a local gimp couldn't set off 4 bombs |
| [14:45:00] | diamon: | Tommck: That's the only thing that makes me question it is geographic location of where they were. |
| [14:46:00] | diamon: | I don't know the geography, but my bet is they were fairly close to each other. Total conjecture though. |
| [14:46:00] | diamon: | Oh, way spiff. Scotty's ashes will be 'buried' in space. |
| [14:46:00] | rsdvd: | according to BBC news....there were now gunshots in the underground before the smkoe |
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| [14:47:00] | Tommck: | anyway, I am not going to try and figure it out. I'll let people who are less than thousands of miles away do that :) |
| [14:48:00] | diamon: | Tommck: Exactly. I just like to try and keep my mind sharp by working over what I know and filling in conjectures and seeing how close to the actual result I was. Same thing I do for comp problems, and it works nice. Not always right, but I always learn something. |
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| [14:51:00] | diamon: | So, anyone happen to have mythweb and logging enabled that could tell me how long their commercial detection runs for? |
| [14:52:00] | ** RabidDog yelps, yay the smurfs are coming back ** | |
| [14:52:00] | diamon: | Arrgh, death to the smurfs! |
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| [15:40:00] | abo: | hello, i've just compiled the kernel with and loaded the skystar module, what would be the next logical step? |
| [15:44:00] | CyberKnet: | abo: Hmmm... reading the documentation, I think. |
| [15:44:00] | EL_Whistey: | get a beer and watch telly? |
| [15:44:00] | laga: | get me one, too |
| [15:44:00] | sphing: | anyone good at diskless boots? |
| [15:45:00] | EL_Whistey: | I think I have discovered the problem with my nvidia 6600 card: MSI sucks. |
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| [15:46:00] | EL_Whistey: | NVidia asked me to upgrade to the latest vbios, which I did using MSI's lame upgrade utility. |
| [15:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | What problem were you having ? |
| [15:48:00] | EL_Whistey: | Then I discovered (a) nvidia driver says the checksum's wrong, (b) MSI's idea of latest vbios is 05.43.02.27.00 where leadtek was at 05:43:02:46:68 three months ago, (c) MSI's on record as saying they don't think people need to upgrade their vbios |
| [15:48:00] | EL_Whistey: | NVRMs on anything using Xv. |
| [15:48:00] | diamon: | EL_: I had an odd TV-out problem with my generic FX5200 which I solved by loading a standard BIOS to as well. |
| [15:48:00] | abo: | :) |
| [15:49:00] | Randall64: | I have a MSI, which is nice for being fanless. |
| [15:49:00] | EL_Whistey: | diamon, where does one get a standard bios? |
| [15:49:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: you run diskless right? |
| [15:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: yes, all my frontend only machines are diskless |
| [15:49:00] | diamon: | I think I googled around to find roms for my model, and I checked who the manufacturers were, and one was just listed as an nvidia reference bios or something. |
| [15:50:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: is it possible to boot a small linux distro, to then load the system from the nfs server? |
| [15:50:00] | diamon: | You might be able to ask them directly, but I doubt you'll get it easily. |
| [15:50:00] | diamon: | grey: Net booting? |
| [15:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: I imagine it would be. |
| [15:50:00] | EL_Whistey: | Oh, yeah, I tried to report the problem to MSI, but their problem report form doesn't even submit. |
| [15:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | diamon: yes |
| [15:51:00] | diamon: | Grey: Cool. I never have gotten that working. I need to set that up some day. |
| [15:51:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: hmm, would it just be a couple of mounts then a chroot? |
| [15:51:00] | diamon: | EL_: Yeah, I mean try asking nvidia directly for a FX6600 reference bios maybe. |
| [15:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: I just use etherboot to tftp the kernel from my backend, and it then nfs mounts / from it, whcih contains an fstab which points to the other nfs mounts |
| [15:51:00] | EL_Whistey: | diamon, I could ask, I guess. |
| [15:52:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: my problem is i'm trying to do all this with an xbox... i can get a small linux distro to boot, but thats about it, I don't want to touch the harddrive cause the filesystem drivers are buggy |
| [15:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: I imagine you could configure a boot CD to do nothing more than load the kernel from the cd and nfs mount / |
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| [15:54:00] | diamon: | EL_: I suppose worst case they give you a runaround for a bit. I can't fully recall where I got my bios from, but I've done that for my Creative Labs GF2 Ti200 Ultra and my GF3 Ti500 Ultra, as well as my FX5200. |
| [15:54:00] | CyberKnet: | EL_Whistey: See, buying MSI was your first mistake. |
| [15:54:00] | EL_Whistey: | CyberKnet, yes. I wanted the Leadtek, but when I specified component out, the shop pushed MSI at me. |
| [15:54:00] | EL_Whistey: | Never again. They're clueless clowns. |
| [15:54:00] | CyberKnet: | MSI upgraded my 6600GT to a 6800 yesterday after the RMA card they sent me was bad on arrival. |
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| [15:54:00] | Randall64: | assclowns! |
| [15:55:00] | CyberKnet: | EL_Whistey: Indeed. Never buy MSI. |
| [15:55:00] | EL_Whistey: | I'm returning this card ASAP. I've emailed the store telling 'em so. |
| [15:55:00] | CyberKnet: | EL_Whistey: the card isn't old? |
| [15:55:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: I can get it to load any kernel i want.. but how would i load the mounts before the kernel? |
| [15:55:00] | EL_Whistey: | It's like a month old. |
| [15:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | You don't, the kernel mounts / |
| [15:56:00] | CyberKnet: | EL_Whistey: The store didn't have a problem with you returning it open box? |
| [15:56:00] | sphing: | how would it know where to mount from? ... i'm not sure i throughly understand diskless |
| [15:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: You need to do a search for the linux kernel and NFSROOT |
| [15:56:00] | sphing: | k thanks |
| [15:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | it's just a parameter send to the kernel at boot |
| [15:56:00] | EL_Whistey: | CyberKnet, I refer you to Australian law – implicit warranty of merchantable quality and fitness for purpose. |
| [15:56:00] | EL_Whistey: | They may have a problem with me returning it open box, but they will have more of a problem if they refuse. |
| [15:57:00] | CyberKnet: | EL_Whistey: aha =) There has to be an upside to paying twice as much for electronics, doesn't there? =) |
| [15:57:00] | diamon: | EL: Damn I wish the USA had something like that... |
| [15:57:00] | diamon: | EL: I found my old Ti500 bios (data packrat I am) and it's just a rom file in a zip that I downloaded from somewhere, sorry. |
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| [15:59:00] | EL_Whistey: | I've informed NVidia of the disparity between MSI's 'latest' vbios and Leadtek's, asked them if they provide reference vbios, and asked them whether the nvidia driver's reported checksum error is significant. |
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| [16:00:00] | diamon: | SO what is saying that what has a checksum error? |
| [16:00:00] | EL_Whistey: | NVidia driver is saying the vbios has a checksum error. |
| [16:01:00] | diamon: | El: And Nvidia's response to them using an outdated bios will be 'We don't mind, they can use whatever they feel like', I remember that phrasing, but I got past that somehow... |
| [16:01:00] | EL_Whistey: | It was downloaded from MSI's site using MSI's 'Live Update', which reported no errors. |
| [16:01:00] | diamon: | EL: Oh, that's not good. |
| [16:01:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yeah, not good. |
| [16:01:00] | diamon: | EL: I'd use nvflash or something, myself. |
| [16:01:00] | diamon: | Could be worse, at least it's working. |
| [16:01:00] | EL_Whistey: | MSI don't give you a URL to get to the vbios. |
| [16:02:00] | EL_Whistey: | Just a lame XP app to download and install one. |
| [16:02:00] | laga: | use a traffic sniffer ;) |
| [16:02:00] | CyberKnet: | lame lame lame lame lame |
| [16:02:00] | EL_Whistey: | Oh yeah, that's the kind of thing I should have to do ... capture packets to get a working vbios. |
| [16:02:00] | diamon: | EL: Bear with me, I think I've got a good BIOS lead... |
| [16:02:00] | laga: | yeah, it's a shitty workaround |
| [16:03:00] | EL_Whistey: | I had a bad feeling when I bought MSI. Oh boy. Right. Again. |
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| [16:04:00] | diamon: | EL: So far, I trust PNY and VisionTek(sort-of). And ATI, as a direct ATI retail product... |
| [16:05:00] | diamon: | EL: How much memory? And it's a 6600, right? |
| [16:05:00] | EL_Whistey: | diamon, 128Mb it's a 6600. As distinct from a GT? |
| [16:05:00] | diamon: | Yeah, I think GT is a different model-class... |
| [16:05:00] | EL_Whistey: | I'll double check its GT-ness or otherwise |
| [16:06:00] | diamon: | k, gonna need to know that I think. |
| [16:06:00] | diamon: | On the plus side, this good deed I'm trying to do has led me to a method of loading BIOS to my 5200 to make it a 5500 with some memory heatsinks, which I happen to have handy... |
| [16:07:00] | ** diamon thinks he's got a busy weekend planned now! ** | |
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| [16:07:00] | diamon: | Foo, afk a min... Reality, what a gyp! |
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| [16:10:00] | EL_Whistey: | NVIDIA GPU detected as: GeForce 6600 ... that doesn't say GT. It's not GT. |
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| [16:12:00] | CyberKnet: | diamon: my experience with a 5500 indicates it didn't perform as well as a 5200Ultra |
| [16:12:00] | CyberKnet: | and that was a factory overclocked 5500 |
| [16:13:00] | CyberKnet: | (BFGTech 5500OC) |
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| [16:16:00] | diamon: | Cyber: Hmm, I'll gank both bios's and see what the difference is. Anyway, back to the bios-seeking fun... |
| [16:17:00] | diamon: | EL: So it's a 6600 non-GT, 128Mb? |
| [16:17:00] | diamon: | AGP? |
| [16:17:00] | joruss: | has anyone installed mythtv on Ubuntu? After I install the myhtv package the mythtv-backend daemon tries to run but errors out with authentication rejected. |
| [16:17:00] | EL_Whistey: | John Inwood, Product Marketing Executive for MSI UK, said: "VGA BIOS are very different from motherboard versions. Graphics cards rarely require a BIOS update and most people will get by never flashing their card at all." ... asshat |
| [16:17:00] | EL_Whistey: | diamon, PCIe |
| [16:17:00] | EL_Whistey: | 128Mb. |
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| [16:18:00] | diamon: | Whew, I couldn't find one for AGP, so that's good... |
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| [16:18:00] | EL_Whistey: | joruss, I started with Ubuntu's mythtv but ended up compiling a later version. |
| [16:19:00] | diamon: | Hmm, all I can find for PCIe in 6600's says it's for a GT, lemme dig a bit more... |
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| [16:19:00] | joruss: | Whistey: did you just go through the normal mythtv documentation for the dependencies? |
| [16:19:00] | diamon: | EL: WHat bios ver? Any idea? |
| [16:23:00] | EL_Whistey: | VideoBIOS: 05.43.02.27.00 |
| [16:23:00] | EL_Whistey: | joruss, since I had already installed the Ubuntu, I had a fair idea what it needed, then just grabbed whatever it failed on not having (-dev wise) |
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| [16:24:00] | diamon: | I found one from LeadTek (not excellent, but not bad) says it's for a 6600 non-GT, rev 5.43.02.46.68. Feeling daring? |
| [16:25:00] | joruss: | fair enough. |
| [16:25:00] | diamon: | So far I can't find a pure nvidia bios for the 6600 non-GT PCIe 128, or even a 256. |
| [16:25:00] | EL_Whistey: | diamon, the downside is my card is a brick, huh? That's the leadtek version my friend's Leadtek GT card uses. |
| [16:26:00] | EL_Whistey: | leadtek winfast AC6600 GT TDH |
| [16:27:00] | EL_Whistey: | joruss, when it fails on an include, I just went to ubuntu and searched for that file in the package contents search, and apt-get'd it. |
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| [16:28:00] | diamon: | EL: The bios says it's for a non-GT. No guarantees of course, since it's not an official distro of a bios. Worst case, use a non-NVidia PCI card to boot video and re-flash it to your (hopefully) stored bios. |
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| [16:29:00] | EL_Whistey: | diamon, ah, well if that's the worst case it's not too bad. The mobo has an onboard video. |
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| [16:30:00] | diamon: | EL: I just peeled open the BIOS< and it specifically seems to say it's a 6600, non-ultra, non-GT. |
| [16:31:00] | EL_Whistey: | Well, I'm game. |
| [16:31:00] | diamon: | YMMV, IANRIABU, all that. :) |
| [16:31:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yeah yeah, if I break it I own both pieces, no worries. |
| [16:32:00] | diamon: | Heh. I'll link the BIOS download here, I didn't try to find the nvflash tool though. You'll likely need that to force a load where the ID for the card doesn't match. |
| [16:32:00] | EL_Whistey: | nvidia have that, I think. |
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| [16:33:00] | diamon: | el: Or someone will, should be easy enough to find. Anyway, the bios is at http://www.mvktech.net/index.php?option=com_r . . . lecatid=1055 |
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| [16:34:00] | diamon: | Basically, mkvtech.net, and then just rat down to the NVidia bios's under Visiontek. |
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| [16:34:00] | diamon: | I found a few others via google, but this site seemed to have its head on straightest of all the others I spotted. |
| [16:35:00] | Chutt: | my 6600gt (which works fine), is using 05.43.02.16.51 |
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| [16:36:00] | jams: | heh by 6600 is using "engineering release, not for production use" |
| [16:36:00] | jams: | it also works well |
| [16:37:00] | diamon: | jams: Eng releases are fun. I still own an eng sample of a P3–933, no FSB lock. |
| [16:38:00] | diamon: | Chutt: Really, I've found overall that video BIOS's rarely need flashing unless you're voiding the warranty anyway. :) |
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| [16:42:00] | EL_Whistey: | Oh well, here goes nothing. |
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| [16:43:00] | diamon: | EL: Guru3d.com has nvflash 5.13, says it supports Geforce 6-series. Might be useful. |
| [16:43:00] | diamon: | EL: Worst case, it catches on fire. Likely worst case, disabled card. Not-bad case, it's no better off. :) |
| [16:44:00] | diamon: | Overall, your chances are good that the worst you'd waste is time and effort, not the card. |
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| [16:51:00] | mmead: | mchou: looks like nothing I have in my house can play HD |
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| [16:58:00] | diamon: | El: Any word? |
| [17:00:00] | EL_Whistey: | diamon, ah, I knew I should have gotten a floppy for this machine :} |
| [17:01:00] | diamon: | It's boned? |
| [17:01:00] | EL_Whistey: | No, I don't know how to boot the machine into dos, and nvram won't work under doze. |
| [17:02:00] | diamon: | LoL... Errr, make a bootable CD from a DOS floppy image? |
| [17:02:00] | diamon: | Then use, err, I guess another CD to flash from... Or a USB key maybe, though I never did try to figure out how to move a floppy image to a USB key that leaves the key bootable. |
| [17:02:00] | EL_Whistey: | Does the XP install thing boot into DOS? |
| [17:03:00] | diamon: | I formatted mine /s on a DOS system. :P |
| [17:03:00] | diamon: | Nope, NT Kernel. 98 boots dos though, or 95, but 95's often not bootable. |
| [17:03:00] | EL_Whistey: | Aha. I have a 98 install disk! |
| [17:03:00] | diamon: | ME as well maybe, but that poor bastard-half-breed OS... Who can tell? |
| [17:03:00] | Beirdo: | you can download DOS boot disks off the internet, likely |
| [17:04:00] | diamon: | 98 will work, just remember to F5/F8 to abort the drivers. |
| [17:04:00] | EL_Whistey: | Beirdo, I don't have a floppy :) |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | you don't need one |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | you have a CD burner? |
| [17:04:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yep. |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | mkisofs, and use the floppy IMAGE as the boot floppy for the CD |
| [17:04:00] | EL_Whistey: | burn image + nvflash + rom image to CD. |
| [17:04:00] | EL_Whistey: | Ok. |
| [17:05:00] | EL_Whistey: | theoretically, I should be able to copy the boot image to a USB key I guess, too. |
| [17:05:00] | diamon: | True, you can mount a floppy image and modify it, then burn it as a boot image to CD, that'd work, but I'd suggest some way to dump a copy of your old bios. |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | if you can fit it all into a floppy image, you got it made |
| [17:05:00] | EL_Whistey: | I have one that almost boots debian, so this should be a doddle. |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, saving the old image would be good |
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| [17:07:00] | diamon: | Beirdo: The first rule of BIOS backups I've often found is you never need them when you make them. :) |
| [17:07:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, and you always do when you don't make em |
| [17:08:00] | Chutt: | that's why you get a motherboard that doesn't need a backup =) |
| [17:08:00] | Chutt: | ie., has two images, or has a separate bios flash thingie |
| [17:09:00] | diamon: | Chutt: I still back them up anyway. |
| [17:09:00] | diamon: | For real tech-manly fun, try hot-swapping a BIOS chip to force-load a BIOS from a wildly unrelated system. :) |
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| [17:11:00] | diamon: | Yes, I found the old BIOS editing tool for my GF3, I can mess with it more now. :) |
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| [17:18:00] | diamon: | El: Still going? |
| [17:19:00] | DaSkreech: | Can MythTV use iCal? |
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| [17:19:00] | diamon: | iCal? Can't say I've heard of it myself, sorry. |
| [17:20:00] | rjune: | DaSkreech: no |
| [17:20:00] | rjune: | diamon: it |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | DaSkreech: we look forward to your patches :) |
| [17:20:00] | DaSkreech: | Beirdo: Right on it :) |
| [17:20:00] | rjune: | diamon: it's a format of calendar file. Apple made it really popular |
| [17:20:00] | DaSkreech: | I wonder how useful iCal would be thouugh? |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | dunno what I'd ever use it for on my TV |
| [17:21:00] | DaSkreech: | rjune: It's mad popular and very useful and flexible |
| [17:21:00] | rjune: | DaSkreech: I know what it is |
| [17:21:00] | rjune: | DaSkreech: ya know, you could do it |
| [17:21:00] | DaSkreech: | rjune: Sorry reflex :-0 |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | rjune: there's this invention called google |
| [17:21:00] | DaSkreech: | I know I could do it it's pretty simple |
| [17:21:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: ? |
| [17:22:00] | rjune: | DaSkreech: myth uses konqueror, and konqueror understands ical files. |
| [17:22:00] | DaSkreech: | Just wondering what the usefulness would be |
| [17:22:00] | ** Beirdo is not awake yet. ** | |
| [17:22:00] | DaSkreech: | The best thing I could see coming out of it is sharing your programming info with a friend |
| [17:22:00] | DaSkreech: | Or Da Wurld |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | we already have mythweb |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | why would we need iCal for that? |
| [17:23:00] | DaSkreech: | hence me asking :) |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | of course, it needs a "read-only" mode... |
| [17:23:00] | DaSkreech: | Open Source brain storming |
| [17:24:00] | DaSkreech: | Could it be possible to setup up an iCal event that gets streamed at a certain time? |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | ummm, streamed? |
| [17:24:00] | DaSkreech: | So you can coordinate say a Business presentation in multiple places at once? |
| [17:24:00] | DaSkreech: | Beirdo: viewed |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | mythtv doesn't really do streaming |
| [17:25:00] | DaSkreech: | so the front ends would pull from the backend at the same time |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | cron |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | or just make a recording, and let them watch it |
| [17:26:00] | DaSkreech: | Yeah |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | doesn't need to be synchronized |
| [17:26:00] | DaSkreech: | So while iCal could be a nice buzz feature it really has no useful purpose |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | unless you wanted to add mythcalendar or something |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | some people may have a use for that |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | put the family's appointment calendar on the TV |
| [17:27:00] | DaSkreech: | With an overlay? |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | ya never know :) |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | I likely wouldn't use it, but I'm sure some people would |
| [17:27:00] | rjune: | it could be useful |
| [17:27:00] | mmead: | why does dijkstra.csh.rit.edu die so often |
| [17:27:00] | DaSkreech: | That would be mad sweet actually |
| [17:27:00] | rjune: | I would prolly use it for the family calendar |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | that would be a cool feature for those with a family |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | bring up an overlay with "Bring Jimmy to soccer practise" 20 min before he has to be there, etc. |
| [17:31:00] | DaSkreech: | Beirdo: PLus you could schedule family stuff during TV time with everyone in a differnt room :-) |
| [17:31:00] | ** DaSkreech laughs ** | |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:31:00] | DaSkreech: | Thats so Atomic Family |
| [17:32:00] | rjune: | yeah that would be very cool |
| [17:32:00] | DaSkreech: | Alright |
| [17:32:00] | rjune: | is there a way to have myth display an overlay message now? |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, you can do it with callerid information |
| [17:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythtvosd Might be what you are looking for |
| [17:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | Displays what you give it on video playback screen |
| [17:34:00] | rjune: | but only there? |
| [17:34:00] | rjune: | echo "This is a test" | mythtvosd --template=scroller <-- that would be proper usage ya? |
| [17:34:00] | DaSkreech: | vosd == Visual On Screen Display? |
| [17:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yes, you can't have antything display in the menus |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | hmph |
| [17:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | das no, MythTV OSD |
| [17:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | rjune: No, you pass it a name/link to an xml file containing the info |
| [17:35:00] | DaSkreech: | GreyFoxx: Ah Of course *grin* |
| [17:35:00] | rjune: | Ahhh |
| [17:35:00] | rjune: | Uhm, there an example file on the system I'm assuming? |
| [17:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | No idea |
| [17:36:00] | EL_Whistey: | I've going to do this tomorrow, or over the weekend. |
| [17:36:00] | rjune: | you have a sample file I could see? |
| [17:36:00] | sphing: | rjune: yes, in the myth sources theres example vosd |
| [17:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | rjune: There are a couple in the source for it, not sure if they get installed |
| [17:36:00] | EL_Whistey: | I found a DOS image (an original MS DOS 5.0 Setup Disk 1!!!) and used an HP program to make a USB bootable under DOS |
| [17:36:00] | rjune: | cool, that'll do it |
| [17:36:00] | EL_Whistey: | But then I forgot that MSDOS 5.0 doesn't understand disks of 500Mb :) |
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| [17:38:00] | Beirdo: | Oh cool, I didn't know this... |
| [17:38:00] | Beirdo: | PHP's birthplace is Toronto :) |
| [17:38:00] | Beirdo: | HAH! |
| [17:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | rjune: I think it will even sit on a port/broadcast address and listen for alerts/info from other machines |
| [17:39:00] | EL_Whistey: | Toronto – teratogenic. Got it. |
| [17:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've been meaning to play around with it for a while |
| [17:39:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: it appears to broadcast out. |
| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | PHP is a Canadian invention... Canada++ |
| [17:40:00] | mishehu: | php is not a canadian invention |
| [17:40:00] | mishehu: | it's an israeli one |
| [17:40:00] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [17:40:00] | mishehu: | thus paAmayim nekudatayim! |
| [17:40:00] | Beirdo: | go to php.net, and weep |
| [17:40:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:41:00] | mishehu: | 2 of the original developers were israeli. |
| [17:41:00] | Beirdo: | and it happened in Canada |
| [17:41:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:41:00] | Beirdo: | ppbbbbbbbt |
| [17:41:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:41:00] | Beirdo: | Israel++ as well |
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| [17:42:00] | ** DaSkreech grins ** | |
| [17:42:00] | DaSkreech: | Anyone happen to know of any Good OSS OCR? |
| [17:42:00] | mishehu: | it's the only language that I know of that has named a frequently used operator (scope resolution in this case) after its hebrew name... |
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| [17:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | rjune: Looks like you need to run mythnotify to listen for what mythvosd sends. I'm gonna have to sit down and mess with this at somepoint |
| [17:48:00] | EL_Whistey: | Jesus, to think people are squabbling to *claim* PHP |
| [17:48:00] | diamon: | EL: Any luck? |
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| [17:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | You consider that squabbling ? |
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| [17:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | Heh |
| [17:49:00] | EL_Whistey: | diamon, I can't yet boot into DOS. I'll work something out (whether it's scavenge a floppy from somewhere or get the USB key to boot into it) |
| [17:50:00] | EL_Whistey: | But not tonight, it's 2am, and I don't want to fuck anything up. |
| [17:50:00] | BillyBoBob: | People on usenet squabble. Here, they are very polite |
| [17:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | BillyBoBob: Mostly, heh though it use to get rough with politics prior to the last US presidential election, much less so now |
| [17:51:00] | EL_Whistey: | I might have to partition the USB into a small disk at the front, because 512Mb is too beaucoup for MSDOS |
| [17:52:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: good to know. I'll peek at it too |
| [17:52:00] | ** GreyFoxx goes to buy a new fridge ** | |
| [17:53:00] | diamon: | EL: I thought you were going to do a CD image of it? |
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| [17:54:00] | EL_Whistey: | diamon, I thought I'd have a bash at USB |
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| [17:55:00] | EL_Whistey: | If I leave it until tomorrow, it gives NVidia a chance to get back to me, and it leaves the store a chance to make me an offer to replace it with a non-MSI card, too. |
| [17:55:00] | EL_Whistey: | diamon, I'll let you know how it transpires. |
| [17:56:00] | diamon: | EL: Yeah, I can see that. I must admit I'm a big fan of flashing everything I can as needed. :) I need to flash my roommate's DVD writer in fact, damn thing won't burn anything and has odd misbehaviors that make me think it's a crudded-up BIOS job... |
| [17:58:00] | diamon: | EL: And as well, bootdisk.com and freedos.org have bootable floppy images you may find useful as well. I'm overdue for bed myself, so... |
| [17:58:00] | EL_Whistey: | Night, diamon, and thanks for your advice and help! ZZZ |
| [17:58:00] | CyberKnet: | diamon: last bios flash I did disabled my onboard nforce4 NIC. No more bios flashing for me =) |
| [17:58:00] | Beirdo: | flash THIS |
| [17:59:00] | Beirdo: | OK, now the fun begins, let's see how badly I borked these packages |
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| [18:04:00] | diamon: | Cyber: That's odd. I'd say re-flash it and tell it to include the boot block and clear PNP/nvram and reset CMOS, then see if it does better. I honestly haven't had a failed BIOS flash in years... |
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| [18:07:00] | DaSkreech: | diamon: do you know if you can flash a car DVD-Audio Drive to read MP3 and OGG? |
| [18:09:00] | mishehu: | doubtful heh. |
| [18:10:00] | mishehu: | mp3 maybe. but ogg? psssh, the industry does not like fully open and unpatented media formats! |
| [18:10:00] | diamon: | Da: THat's usually more a matter of hardware than software. |
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| [18:11:00] | diamon: | If it could, say, read down to 128kbit and up to 224kbit mp3's, there might be a fix to allow larger ranges, like 64–320kbit, but if it's not there in the first place, it's usually not simply hiding. You might want to check some auto-modding sites though, who can tell... |
| [18:12:00] | diamon: | And it's always a PITA to flash anything not in a PC as well. I had hell flashing my home DVD player, but it had a nasty decode bug. |
| [18:15:00] | diamon: | And I'm off to bed, way overdue... Lurk time! |
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| [18:19:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: You know any store online good for 12/2 electrical wire? |
| [18:19:00] | xris: | not a clue. I usually go to home depot. |
| [18:19:00] | CyberKnet: | aha |
| [18:19:00] | xris: | (or lowes when I'm feeling liberal and like supporting the *less* conservative-supporting store) |
| [18:20:00] | xris: | that and I have a huge spool of 12/3 in my garage (as long as that "3" refers to the number of wires, and the "12" is the gage) |
| [18:22:00] | CyberKnet: | Yeah. |
| [18:22:00] | CyberKnet: | About to start rewiring my house. |
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| [18:23:00] | CyberKnet: | Trying to figure out where the best (cheapest and most reliable) place to get the romex is from. |
| [18:23:00] | CyberKnet: | s/is from/from is/ |
| [18:23:00] | xris: | depends on how much you need.. but for b&m stores, you're limited to hardware stores and contractor stores (these being cheaper if you need a LOT) |
| [18:24:00] | xris: | I pondered rewiring my house, but only got as far as my office (which didn't have grounded outlets) |
| [18:24:00] | CyberKnet: | Well, my house was *okay* but it still utilizes a fuse panel |
| [18:24:00] | CyberKnet: | and in my recent electrical problem wherein the tree fell on my power line, several outlets ceased functioning. |
| [18:25:00] | CyberKnet: | so I figure it's time to bite the bullet and pull out the original wiring and replace it with current code or more. |
| [18:25:00] | CyberKnet: | my 1200 sq ft house runs on 6 fuses. |
| [18:25:00] | CyberKnet: | in a fuse 100a box. |
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| [18:27:00] | CyberKnet: | You think I could get away with using lamp cord instead? =P" |
| [18:27:00] | ** DaSkreech laughs ** | |
| [18:28:00] | CyberKnet: | or speaker wire. |
| [18:28:00] | CyberKnet: | that might do the job. |
| [18:29:00] | jak: | hi |
| [18:29:00] | CyberKnet: | hi |
| [18:30:00] | jak: | how can i emerge mythtv with dvb support? it fails when compiling linuxtv-dvb library |
| [18:30:00] | jak: | manual compiling works |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | so compile manually |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | problem solved |
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| [18:31:00] | Beirdo: | I don't think Cardoe's around to help with the ebuild |
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| [18:31:00] | kormoc: | what's up with a ebuild? |
| [18:31:00] | Beirdo: | run, kormoc :) |
| [18:32:00] | Beirdo: | jak is having troubles emerging with DVB support |
| [18:32:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [18:32:00] | kormoc: | pastebin with the errors? |
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| [18:35:00] | Beirdo: | try again, kormoc, I think he was having connection issues |
| [18:35:00] | jak_: | switched on linux machine :) |
| [18:36:00] | jak_: | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r11-kraxel1/build/Rules.make'. Stop. |
| [18:36:00] | jak_: | make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/linuxtv-dvb-1.0.1/work/linuxtv-dvb-1.0.1/driver' |
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| [18:38:00] | jak_: | it's not a big problem that emerging doesn't work, i'd just like to know where the problem is |
| [18:39:00] | Beirdo: | that seems to be more a DVB driver ebuild issue |
| [18:40:00] | kormoc: | jak_, try a older version of the ebuild, or have you bugzillaed to see if there's a newer one? |
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| [18:44:00] | jak_: | ok |
| [18:44:00] | jak_: | then i have another problem with mythtv, can't get the epg working |
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| [18:46:00] | jak_: | mythfilldatabase seems to work correctly, myth program guide in frontend doesn't show anything but 'unknown' |
| [18:47:00] | kormoc: | is there data in the database? |
| [18:49:00] | CyberKnet: | Nope. |
| [18:49:00] | CyberKnet: | It's a DataFreeBase |
| [18:49:00] | CyberKnet: | It was actually built in an alternate dimension, and contains antidata |
| [18:50:00] | CyberKnet: | if he tries to put data in it .... it could implode. |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | Warning: mysql_connect(): Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client in /opt/MCIcacti/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 339 |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | woohoo |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | that's lovely |
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| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | way to go... |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | I compiled PHP against MySQL 3.23.49 instead of 4.1.10 |
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| [18:59:00] | xris: | oops |
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| [19:02:00] | xris: | I'm trying to compile mythplugins, but setting --prefix causes mythmusic not to compile. |
| [19:03:00] | xris: | if I don't set --prefix, it installs to / instead of /usr/ or /usr/local/ |
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| [19:03:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: makefile magic time =P" |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | so.. recompiling PHP.. then apache |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | blech |
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| [19:05:00] | CyberKnet: | I agree. No machine should be forced to run PHP =) |
| [19:05:00] | Beirdo: | shove it... :) |
| [19:06:00] | Beirdo: | need it for cacti |
| [19:07:00] | mishehu: | php > perl no? ;-) |
| [19:07:00] | Beirdo: | php > .net :) |
| [19:07:00] | xris: | mishehu: depends on what you want it for.. perl dbi has the same issues. |
| [19:08:00] | ** mishehu grins ** | |
| [19:08:00] | mishehu: | xris: just seeing if anybody would bite at a script language war |
| [19:08:00] | mishehu: | then I would have hushed up and let the war wage. |
| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [19:08:00] | xris: | you picked the wrong languages. I like both perl and php. and dislike them both for other reasons. heh. |
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| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | python sux0rs |
| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | there |
| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:09:00] | xris: | heh |
| [19:09:00] | xris: | everyone should code in brainfuck |
| [19:09:00] | kormoc: | c > c++! c++ > c! C# > C || C++! |
| [19:09:00] | mishehu: | shhh!! there might be some "python is leeter than all the rest" ppl in here |
| [19:09:00] | kormoc: | bf?! |
| [19:09:00] | ** kormoc 's head asplodes. ** | |
| [19:09:00] | mishehu: | kormoc: boc boc boc!!!! |
| [19:09:00] | FuzzyLogic: | anybody have the problem where tv out works but not for movies? |
| [19:09:00] | kormoc: | FuzzyLogic, on a 350? |
| [19:10:00] | FuzzyLogic: | ati all in wonder :x |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | it's called Macrovision |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | look it up |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | betcha that's the issue |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | the ATI chips do enforce it |
| [19:10:00] | xris: | macrovision from an avi file? |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | who said anything about an AVI? |
| [19:11:00] | xris: | or from a linux video player? thought macrovision was encoded in the dvd, not the stream. |
| [19:11:00] | mishehu: | macrosuck |
| [19:12:00] | FuzzyLogic: | omg thatnks |
| [19:12:00] | xris: | since in data, macrovision is just a bit.. still takes hardware to create the macrovision itself. |
| [19:12:00] | FuzzyLogic: | didnt know the correctly search words |
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| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | xris: and the ATI chips enforce macrovision (at least from Windoze) |
| [19:13:00] | xris: | Beirdo: but that'd require the driver reading the dvd... which sounded weird for that to be happening in linux |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | at least that was my understanding |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | could be completely unrelated here |
| [19:14:00] | xris: | or the video player passing along info to th driver... |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | could just be gatos sucking |
| [19:14:00] | xris: | macrovision is also not a blank screen. it f's up the color set (at least in my experience trying to watch a dvd on a tv-vcr combo) |
| [19:15:00] | Beirdo: | that can depend on the TV's handling of it, I think. but yeah |
| [19:15:00] | xris: | tv isn't supposed to "handle" it at all. it was supposedly designed so that a tv could play it just fine, but other devices wouldn't get a usable signal. |
| [19:15:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | I know, but stranger things have happened |
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| [19:16:00] | xris: | true |
| [19:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | I had a old TV that would just keep flipping up the blue "no signal" screen when watching a DVD. Until I used a hack to disable macrovision |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | OK, PHP recompiled... apache's turn |
| [19:17:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: you find your new fridge? |
| [19:17:00] | Beirdo: | and is it full of beer? |
| [19:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | rjune: Yup, not gonna be delivered til Monday though :( |
| [19:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Not likely in my house :) |
| [19:17:00] | Beirdo: | awww |
| [19:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | We're not really drinkers :) |
| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | no Alexander Keith's with the annoying bastard telling you how it's the pride of Nova Scotia? |
| [19:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Nope, though I have seen that dude at the bars downtown :) |
| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | slap him |
| [19:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | often... what a wanker |
| [19:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah, those commercials bug me too |
| [19:20:00] | ** Beirdo slaps the computer ** | |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | link properly, you bitch |
| [19:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Great, a patch I gave someone wont compile under solaris, doh. |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | Solaris is currently pissing ME off too |
| [19:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | He said he wanted it for a Linux box, now they are swapping to sparcs and I hadn't compiled it under a sparc. look like a few #ifdefs are going in :) |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | shouldn't be hard to fix |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | Solaris 8 and newer is very similar to Linux programmatically |
| [19:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | Easy to fix, I just need to get on a sparc to do it. I gave up all my dev boxes to the other guys in my group :) |
| [19:22:00] | ** GreyFoxx snags one back ** | |
| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | there's also the sourceforge compile farm in a pinch |
| [19:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | nah, just gonna take 5 minutes, not worth the effort |
| [19:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | just annoys me that I didn't test it on one before :) |
| [19:23:00] | kormoc: | sourceforge compile farm? |
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| [19:26:00] | rsdvd: | Hi – can anyone suggest a good HOWTO or website on how to get a DVB-T card working for MythTV? |
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| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | who cares? |
| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | at least it's wallops not server notices |
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| [19:38:00] | xris: | blech. want to know whythis compile doesn't work |
| [19:41:00] | Beirdo: | mental retardation on the part of Fedora? |
| [19:42:00] | xris: | probably |
| [19:42:00] | xris: | but it's odd, seems to compile fine outside of the spec |
| [19:42:00] | xris: | so possibly a matter of axel's modifications breaking things. |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | ahh, could well be |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | OK. PHP is behaving now, and I have cacti up |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [19:42:00] | xris: | just odd that --prefix is manifesting the issue and not something else. |
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| [19:43:00] | Chutt: | which issue? |
| [19:43:00] | xris: | well, no --prefix results in a prefix of "" |
| [19:43:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [19:43:00] | xris: | but things compile |
| [19:43:00] | Chutt: | the plugins? |
| [19:43:00] | xris: | if I set --prefix, something in mythmusic's opengl stuff buggers out. |
| [19:43:00] | xris: | yes. |
| [19:43:00] | xris: | trying to figure out if it's the spec or not, though |
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| [19:44:00] | Chutt: | the prefix is used from the installed mythtv stuff |
| [19:44:00] | Chutt: | i believe |
| [19:44:00] | Chutt: | it sources mythconfig.mak, which is installed by mythtv |
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| [19:44:00] | xris: | oh... and that'd make sense.. axel's spec was requiring that the mythtv development directory be present... |
| [19:45:00] | xris: | well, that one is installed |
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| [19:46:00] | xris: | but apparently not getting found... |
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| [19:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | yo! |
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| [19:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | beir-do beir-do beir-do |
| [19:49:00] | MrSpiffy: | i found a group for myth on usenet – no posts |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:50:00] | MrSpiffy: | hey man – I gave your nuv2avi prog a whirl |
| [19:50:00] | MrSpiffy: | it's fast |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:50:00] | MrSpiffy: | I can play the avi it creates in mplayer |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | was the output usable for you? |
| [19:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | just play though |
| [19:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | I tried converting the avi with ffmpeg mencoder and transcode |
| [19:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | they complain about the header and the output from those progs is un-playable in mplayer |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | well, it should work fine |
| [19:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | not sure what the problem is yet |
| [19:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | mostly I tried re-encoding/sizing/etc using divx5 |
| [19:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | and mencider with lavc |
| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | try using a Windows AVI program... say virtualdub |
| [19:53:00] | MrSpiffy: | ack! |
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| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | something that's existed a little longer and may not be as beta |
| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | it will at least tell you if there's something really wrong with the AVI file |
| [19:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | perhaps using transcode to create 2 streams and mux them together |
| [19:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | will yield better results |
| [19:54:00] | ** RabidDog sighs guess my gfx card is no good ** | |
| [19:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | oh – and I found out that the transcode rpm for FC2 on at rpms is gone |
| [19:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | fortunately I found it on a mirrir |
| [19:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | mirror |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | MrSpiffy: sure if you are trying to make MPEG output |
| [19:55:00] | MrSpiffy: | my goal was to create a divx5 avi for storage |
| [19:55:00] | MrSpiffy: | and use that to perhaps create vdc mpg for playback |
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| [19:55:00] | MrSpiffy: | but I want to use divx5 for primary storage as some day I will get a dvd burner |
| [19:56:00] | MrSpiffy: | all of which if for playback in my dvd player |
| [19:56:00] | MrSpiffy: | one of these days I have to build a set top box |
| [19:56:00] | MrSpiffy: | :/ |
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| [20:00:00] | MrSpiffy: | question – why does avidemux2 suck? |
| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | answer: because it does |
| [20:01:00] | MrSpiffy: | ie – mp3 audio is "unknown codec" |
| [20:01:00] | MrSpiffy: | hehehe |
| [20:04:00] | xris: | why oh why does this compile file by hand, but not from .spec.... |
| [20:04:00] | ** xris kicks rpm and atrpms ** | |
| [20:05:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: I'm thinking something wrong with the spec file? |
| [20:05:00] | xris: | must be |
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| [20:05:00] | CyberKnet: | just a gues tho =P" |
| [20:05:00] | Chutt: | blah, some of the aluminum trim in my car's scratched |
| [20:05:00] | xris: | :( |
| [20:06:00] | CyberKnet: | Chutt: how'd that happen? |
| [20:06:00] | xris: | all I can say is "thank god for ccache" |
| [20:06:00] | Chutt: | i dunno |
| [20:06:00] | CyberKnet: | Chutt: inside? |
| [20:06:00] | Chutt: | looks like someone was careless with their seatbelt |
| [20:06:00] | Chutt: | 'course :p |
| [20:06:00] | CyberKnet: | aah =( |
| [20:06:00] | CyberKnet: | No more rides in the nice car for friends. |
| [20:07:00] | Chutt: | heh, well, it was me or my wife, i'd say |
| [20:07:00] | CyberKnet: | *grin* |
| [20:07:00] | CyberKnet: | these things do happen. |
| [20:08:00] | ** MrSpiffy remebers his first ding in his once new car ** | |
| [20:08:00] | Chutt: | yeah |
| [20:08:00] | MrSpiffy: | cherry popped now dude |
| [20:08:00] | Chutt: | but the mythmobile can't be scratched! |
| [20:09:00] | kormoc: | new paint and trim job! |
| [20:09:00] | MrSpiffy: | you're on the road to "used car" |
| [20:09:00] | MrSpiffy: | it's not so bad |
| [20:09:00] | CyberKnet: | Wow. I can't believe you call it the mythmobile... =) |
| [20:09:00] | Chutt: | http://www.mythtv.org/mythcar.jpg |
| [20:09:00] | Chutt: | you'll see why :p |
| [20:09:00] | MrSpiffy: | denial-bargaining-anger-depression-acceptance |
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| [20:10:00] | kormoc: | Chutt, never, ever get rid of that plate :P |
| [20:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe nice |
| [20:10:00] | MrSpiffy: | just wait til the first shopping cart hits it |
| [20:10:00] | CyberKnet: | The acura TL is a very fine car. |
| [20:10:00] | Chutt: | we take my older alero to the store, mostly :p |
| [20:10:00] | Chutt: | cuz other people suck |
| [20:10:00] | MrSpiffy: | yes they do |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | they so do |
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| [20:10:00] | ** kormoc drools over the G6 hardtop convertable. ** | |
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| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | nice plates, Chutt :) |
| [20:11:00] | CyberKnet: | But I still can't believe you call it the mythmobile =) That's like Batman, Robin and the Batmobile. That would make you ... like ... MythMan! |
| [20:11:00] | xris: | ok, finally... it errors out OUTSIDE of the spec now. |
| [20:11:00] | MrSpiffy: | I have twin dings on my bmw's door from an ass no-putting-the-cart-back mother humper |
| [20:11:00] | xris: | now to see if it's just a bug in that version of the code. |
| [20:11:00] | ** CyberKnet waits to see if xris gets MYTHWEB plates ** | |
| [20:11:00] | xris: | lol |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | MrSpiffy: I'll be sure to shove harder next time, it shoulda left a BIGGER ding :) |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:11:00] | xris: | on my $500 car? doubtful |
| [20:11:00] | MrSpiffy: | thanks – really |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | just kidding |
| [20:12:00] | MrSpiffy: | hehe |
| [20:12:00] | MrSpiffy: | on the theory that one big dent is better than 2 small dings? |
| [20:12:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, he is mythman, faster then a coder monkey on caffine, more powerful then the freevo guy, able to keep people entertained for hours, he's Mythman! defender of truth, justice, and the american way! |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | if I didn't crush the door skin, I didn't do the job right |
| [20:12:00] | xris: | need one more letter so I can get MEADBRWR |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | how about BEER*ME |
| [20:12:00] | xris: | heh |
| [20:12:00] | CyberKnet: | I'd get plates that said Mythter to indicate I use MythTV ... but that sounds kind of .. .fruity |
| [20:12:00] | Chutt: | i really should've gotten a space in the plates |
| [20:12:00] | MrSpiffy: | more powerful than the freevo guy |
| [20:12:00] | Pery69: | what is the basic thing to set when building apache web server in linux? |
| [20:13:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, mythtvr |
| [20:13:00] | Chutt: | very few people realize it's one word |
| [20:13:00] | Pery69: | especially that php work, of course when you have everything installed |
| [20:13:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: MEDBRWRW just doesn't sound quite right =) |
| [20:13:00] | Chutt: | they're like 'what's thtv'? |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:13:00] | MrSpiffy: | Pery69, can you be more specific? |
| [20:13:00] | CyberKnet: | Chutt: Many people are ignorant =) |
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| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | people are stupid, what can we say? |
| [20:13:00] | Chutt: | though i did get an email from some guy asking if that was my car he saw on the highway |
| [20:13:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, exactly that |
| [20:14:00] | Pery69: | I cant open basic php file in firefox |
| [20:14:00] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [20:14:00] | ** Beirdo continues his hunt for a PR DID... ** | |
| [20:15:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: sounds like it's time to start up your own telco in PR =) |
| [20:15:00] | MrSpiffy: | Pery69, check the error log for httpd to see what happened when you hit the url |
| [20:15:00] | Pery69: | I thing it has to somethinf to do with parse |
| [20:15:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: don't tempt me |
| [20:15:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:15:00] | MrSpiffy: | it's in /var |
| [20:15:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: You might even make enough money to buy beer! |
| [20:15:00] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [20:15:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:16:00] | MrSpiffy: | ttyl folks – gotta go get more dents in my car |
| [20:16:00] | MrSpiffy: | *paf* |
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| [20:16:00] | Pery69: | client 127.0.0.1] script '/var/www/html/test.php' not found or unable to stat |
| [20:16:00] | laga: | Chutt: nice plates |
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| [20:18:00] | Pery69: | that was the errol log |
| [20:18:00] | xris: | ok, this is what I get from svn as of a couple minutes ago: http://pastebin.ca/18239 |
| [20:19:00] | xris: | that's *not* with rpm, just compiling from the svn directory. |
| [20:19:00] | Chutt: | you're building a debug build |
| [20:19:00] | xris: | yes? |
| [20:19:00] | Chutt: | which is currently broken with some gccs and x86 |
| [20:19:00] | xris: | ahhhh |
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| [20:21:00] | xris: | no "debug" in *pro |
| [20:22:00] | Chutt: | that also is pulled from the installed mythtv instance |
| [20:22:00] | xris: | ahhh |
| [20:22:00] | xris: | so I should be compiling "release" not "debug"? |
| [20:23:00] | Chutt: | it's recommended, unless you're trying to track down a specific problem =) |
| [20:23:00] | xris: | ok |
| [20:23:00] | xris: | will recompile myth, then try plugins again. |
| [20:24:00] | Chutt: | you could just edit the mythconfig.pro file and change it in there |
| [20:24:00] | Chutt: | but that'd only change the plugins |
| [20:24:00] | Chutt: | unless you did mythtv again |
| [20:25:00] | xris: | managed to track down all kinds of dependency issues last night... axel has "special" versions of a lot of files that are "fixed" from the core ones... but didn't have version requirements in his spec, so since I avoid atrpms, I had the right packages, but the wrong versions. |
| [20:25:00] | xris: | well, will recompile myth just to make it easier. |
| [20:25:00] | xris: | and maybe someone will someday put a compile-type option into the mythplugins configure script. |
| [20:26:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [20:26:00] | Chutt: | the mythplugins configure script should be better about testing for deps nowadays |
| [20:27:00] | xris: | yes. but it's not perfect... like with the --prefix thing.. on my compile, it defaults to "" and thus can't include that .mak file because it can't find it. |
| [20:27:00] | Chutt: | prefix="/usr/local" |
| [20:27:00] | xris: | yeah |
| [20:27:00] | Chutt: | first real line of the file :p |
| [20:28:00] | xris: | buy ./configure doesn't check /usr/ when looking for the .mak, and then later assumes it imported fine, and prefix gets stuck at "" |
| [20:28:00] | xris: | s/buy/but/ |
| [20:28:00] | Chutt: | right, it does assume it's where it's told |
| [20:28:00] | xris: | should probably at least have it check /usr/ as well as /usr/local/ |
| [20:29:00] | Chutt: | it defaults to /usr/local/, and then uses whatever is passed in by --prefix |
| [20:30:00] | xris: | right. |
| [20:31:00] | xris: | oh well, as long as the package works, I'm happy... |
| [20:31:00] | xris: | I think I even managed to fix the firewire, xvmcnvidia and arts dependencies (they're on by defauly in axel's build, but I disable them on my own box) |
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| [20:46:00] | Pery69: | #tuxick |
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| [21:41:00] | stoffel: | wasn't there an option to jump to the next/previous cutpoint while editing? can't find it in keys.txt |
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| [21:42:00] | doublehelix: | kormoc, i got my 'one channel only' problem fixed from yesterday.. msg me if you want and maybe i can give you a hand with your problem |
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| [21:51:00] | AlexanderS: | hi |
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| [21:51:00] | AlexanderS: | i've a problem with mythtv |
| [21:52:00] | AlexanderS: | 2005-07–21 21:49:41.441 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read(). |
| [21:52:00] | AlexanderS: | Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/data/store//ringbuf1.nuv |
| [21:52:00] | AlexanderS: | i can't watch live tv |
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| [21:55:00] | laga: | OT: i've got some mp3s and i want to burn a CD. how do i do that without installing k3b? |
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| [22:09:00] | stoffel: | nm ;) thx to laga |
| [22:09:00] | stoffel: | laga: an audio cd? |
| [22:09:00] | stoffel: | AlexanderS: check the backend messages |
| [22:10:00] | laga: | stoffel: i found a nice perl script to do this ;) |
| [22:10:00] | AlexanderS: | i 've found the problem in this moment... |
| [22:10:00] | AlexanderS: | ind the log of this channel... |
| [22:10:00] | stoffel: | laga: where? i managed to fry a cdrw when i last tried to burn a audio cd with xcdroast |
| [22:11:00] | AlexanderS: | i've the pvr 150 and set v4l card |
| [22:11:00] | laga: | http://www.yty.net/h/mp3cd/ |
| [22:11:00] | stoffel: | AlexanderS: hehe |
| [22:11:00] | AlexanderS: | -> set to mpeg and it runs... |
| [22:11:00] | AlexanderS: | thx |
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| [22:16:00] | mocker: | Does the MythDVD import feature automatically crop and transcode? |
| [22:16:00] | mocker: | i.e. could I set it up to output to xvid or some such? |
| [22:20:00] | xris: | crop? |
| [22:20:00] | xris: | I think it transcodes... I don't use it, though. |
| [22:21:00] | kormoc: | transcode can crop, no? |
| [22:21:00] | kormoc: | and automatically croping wouldn't be the best now, world it? |
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| [22:28:00] | xris: | I'm just wondering what you'd WANT to crop. |
| [22:28:00] | xris: | though I guess that makes sense if you have a non-anamorphic dvd. |
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| [22:35:00] | Beirdo: | muhahahah |
| [22:35:00] | ** Beirdo is getting paid to setup cacti ** | |
| [22:35:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:36:00] | BillyBoBob: | Anyone have much experience with Shuttle MB's as front end? |
| [22:36:00] | BillyBoBob: | Quality of video out, etc? |
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| [22:40:00] | xris: | don't you need your own video card for most new shuttles these days? |
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| [22:41:00] | BillyBoBob: | all the ones I am looking at have MB S-Video out |
| [22:41:00] | xris: | ah |
| [22:41:00] | BillyBoBob: | dunno if Linux supports the chips... |
| [22:41:00] | xris: | no clue compared to anything else. probably depends on the chipset |
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| [22:42:00] | xris: | if it's one of these, the quality and driver support is great: http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml |
| [22:43:00] | BillyBoBob: | I'm looking at C$283 for case, MB, 1.8 GHz Duron. Seems like it would be fine for front-end |
| [22:45:00] | xris: | not bad |
| [22:45:00] | xris: | I like my pundit better for a frontend (shuttles are a bit noisy) |
| [22:45:00] | BillyBoBob: | VIA chipset, S3 graphics |
| [22:45:00] | BillyBoBob: | pundit? |
| [22:45:00] | xris: | should be about the same price or less, depending on availability in CA.. (pundit cast+mobo is about $100 US) |
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| [22:45:00] | xris: | 2.4 celeron should be about $50–70 |
| [22:46:00] | BillyBoBob: | friend has a Shuttle, says replacing the back fan fixes noise problem... |
| [22:46:00] | xris: | awesome svideo out quality, and extremely quiet. |
| [22:46:00] | xris: | "a" shuttle? or the same one? There are a bunch of different ones, and they're not all alike internally. |
| [22:46:00] | xris: | anyway, search for asus pundit (not pundit-r) |
| [22:46:00] | xris: | (-r is ati chipset, not sis, and not as nice) |
| [22:47:00] | BillyBoBob: | the same one... |
| [22:47:00] | xris: | well, not as well-supported in linux |
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| [23:06:00] | hadees: | i got one suggestion for all of you, set up mythtv to record firefly this friday, its one the best Sci-fi shows i have ever seen, it ranks up there with the new BSG |
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| [23:10:00] | xris: | hadees: or one could just go buy the dvd's |
| [23:10:00] | xris: | or borrow them from a friend (which is what I'll be doing) |
| [23:10:00] | hadees: | xris, do whatever, if this thing does as well as faimly guy mabey it will get brought back |
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| [23:10:00] | hadees: | and the movie is supposed to rock also |
| [23:12:00] | xris: | that same friend has seen the movie.. she says it'd good, but that they basically tried to cram a season's worth of plot into 2 hours and it felt like a lot of stuff was left out. |
| [23:12:00] | xris: | I could never really get into firefly when it was on.. though as I now know, that's probably because the episodes weren't even shown in order. wtf is up with that? |
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| [23:21:00] | hadees: | xris, i don't know, i downloaded the show *looks around for cops* but i am going to get the DVDs now |
| [23:22:00] | hadees: | i never even knew it was on fox |
| [23:22:00] | xris: | 2–3 extra episodes on dvd, too |
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| [23:23:00] | hadees: | xris, i think they are in the pack i download =) |
| [23:23:00] | hadees: | see this is why they should let me download what i want, if it is good i'll pay |
| [23:23:00] | hadees: | sometimes... |
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| [23:23:00] | mchou: | wow, what will these crazy ppl think of next??? |
| [23:23:00] | hadees: | if it is really good |
| [23:24:00] | mchou: | DRM on perpendicular recording hard drives...... |
| [23:24:00] | mchou: | wtf?? |
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| [23:24:00] | hadees: | mchou, no worries, any DRM anywhere will get cracked so fast it will matter little |
| [23:25:00] | mchou: | I'm not concerned about that per se. |
| [23:25:00] | mchou: | I'm concerned about paying for extra shit that I dont want. |
| [23:25:00] | mchou: | like more DRM "intelligence" in HDD. |
| [23:27:00] | mchou: | Any just how do you go about cracking hard drive firmware?? |
| [23:27:00] | hadees: | you know whats funny about the supreme court, there is going to be a huge fight over this new Justice and the Republicans are going to win because they have the votes but i have a feeling there will be a shift in the other direction in 5–10 years and the rest of those old justices are going to be droping like flies between now and then and we might end up with a even more lib supreme court |
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| [23:28:00] | laga: | </rant> |
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| [23:28:00] | stoffel: | laga: missing opening tag |
| [23:29:00] | ** laga blames hadees ** | |
| [23:29:00] | hadees: | well i was getting at drm and all these things put in by the Rebublicans might get over turned out of spite |
| [23:30:00] | mchou: | nope. My own democratic senator I found out has been owned by hollywood. |
| [23:31:00] | hadees: | mchou, yeah mabey, thats why i hate both sides |
| [23:31:00] | hadees: | they are really the same |
| [23:31:00] | hadees: | whores |
| [23:31:00] | mchou: | As much as I'd like to blame republicans I cant say democrats are blameless. |
| [23:31:00] | stoffel: | start a new party: Election alternative ;) |
| [23:31:00] | stoffel: | like they did in Germany |
| [23:32:00] | hadees: | i got this great bumper sticker, "Under Republicans Man exploits man, and under Democrats its just the oppiste" |
| [23:32:00] | hadees: | stoffel, yeah and surround my self with crack pots no thank you |
| [23:32:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [23:32:00] | laga: | hmm, crack pots |
| [23:32:00] | mchou: | bush is #1 crackpot. |
| [23:33:00] | hadees: | mchou, nah he is just a moron |
| [23:33:00] | mchou: | what's the diff? :) |
| [23:33:00] | hadees: | i really think he has the best intentions |
| [23:33:00] | laga: | his intentions should be shot |
| [23:33:00] | mchou: | hadees: heh, I got a bridge to sell ya. |
| [23:34:00] | hadees: | mchou, to each his own, i still support the war but not really for WMDs |
| [23:35:00] | hadees: | plus it was saddams fault, he could have stopped it before it got out of hand |
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| [23:35:00] | ** laga supports the war on war-supporters ** | |
| [23:35:00] | ** laga hides ** | |
| [23:36:00] | hadees: | see what i find strange is the same people who protest for human rights turn around and protest against a war to take someone out of power with vast human rights violations |
| [23:36:00] | hadees: | WMDs aside the man gassed his own people |
| [23:37:00] | CyberKnet: | I gas my co-workers... |
| [23:37:00] | Randall64: | I just don't want to pay for it. |
| [23:37:00] | CyberKnet: | dammit. I forgot about that logged thing again. |
| [23:37:00] | hadees: | CyberKnet, just give me the name and location of your country and i'll send it to the UN |
| [23:37:00] | CyberKnet: | hadees: heh |
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| [23:48:00] | Beirdo: | hadees: Bush coulda stopped it too before it got out of hand... but he refused diplomacy |
| [23:48:00] | laga: | he spells diplomacy like nuclear |
| [23:48:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:49:00] | Beirdo: | "bomb" |
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| [23:58:00] | EL_Whistey: | I don't know why he launched a war on tourism anyway |
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