| Monday, July 18th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | therealgalen: | look at the asus manual, it's clearly configured completely in the bios |
| [00:00:00] | diamon: | Ah. |
| [00:00:00] | mchou: | more specifically a driver that's responsible for xor :) |
| [00:00:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: lol! |
| [00:00:00] | mchou: | you configure every raid in on board bios. |
| [00:00:00] | diamon: | Needing a driver for raid5 I can believe, since most hand those ops over to the CPU. |
| [00:00:00] | mchou: | so what? |
| [00:01:00] | mchou: | that doesnt mean the xor operation is don ine HW |
| [00:01:00] | mchou: | done in* |
| [00:01:00] | therealgalen: | look at the asus manual, pg. 121 |
| [00:01:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [00:01:00] | diamon: | It's likely not, if it wants a driver. It's probably handing off to the main CPU, not the raid chip. |
| [00:01:00] | mchou: | you're being ridiculous |
| [00:02:00] | mchou: | forget on board raid. It's useless. |
| [00:02:00] | therealgalen: | It says to install the drivers only if you want raid 5 or jbod |
| [00:03:00] | mchou: | you wont trush on borad raid for mission critical stuff anyways. |
| [00:03:00] | mchou: | trust* |
| [00:03:00] | therealgalen: | OK, can we find somebody with this board and his him/her? |
| [00:03:00] | diamon: | thereal: Don't try to convince mchou. It's your money and hardware, and our opinions and suggestions. Do with all of them as you wish. |
| [00:03:00] | xris: | therealgalen: if you bug me during the week, I can get info about things for you. |
| [00:03:00] | diamon: | But if you ignore our suggestions and find out it was a bad idea, I doubt we'd help a lot with the aftermath. :) |
| [00:03:00] | mchou: | I only used to work at HP on RAID :) |
| [00:03:00] | xris: | our guys have dealt with pretty much every available raid setup. |
| [00:04:00] | Cromz: | mchou doesnt play well with others ;) j/k :P |
| [00:04:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [00:04:00] | xris: | well, modern chipset/driver setup, anyway. |
| [00:04:00] | therealgalen: | xris: i would love to hear some solid things on the silicon 3114 chipset... so yes, i should catch you |
| [00:04:00] | diamon: | If it's not SCSI RAID, I don't use RAID features of the 'hardware', just linux software RAID. Especially mirroring. |
| [00:04:00] | xris: | and it really comes down to lsi vs 3ware vs kernel |
| [00:04:00] | mchou: | I wouldnt even trust some HW raid :) |
| [00:04:00] | therealgalen: | this is just so freaking crazy. raid is such a simple thing, yet somehow they manage to make it so expensive. |
| [00:04:00] | Cromz: | I love my 3ware :> 6 by 200gigs. heheh |
| [00:04:00] | xris: | mchou: s/some/most/ |
| [00:05:00] | mchou: | xris: exactly :) |
| [00:05:00] | diamon: | thereal: It's simple in theory, but requires a processing unit to drive it, which increases the price. |
| [00:05:00] | therealgalen: | i mean, raid 5 does require cpu time, but stuff like raid 0/1/0+1/10 are not cpu intensive |
| [00:05:00] | xris: | therealgalen: the problem is that they can get around "software raid" by doing *some* work in the card, but still letting the bulk of the work hit the cpu. |
| [00:05:00] | xris: | but the drivers are sketchy at best, and kernel raid is usually faster, anyway. |
| [00:06:00] | diamon: | thereal: But they still need CPU attention. So either it has a CPU at all, which costs more, or it's semi-software-RAID, which is way stupider than 'real' RAID. |
| [00:06:00] | mchou: | save yourself $50 by getting this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813186042 |
| [00:06:00] | therealgalen: | xris: are there any raid cards that don't do raid5 and cut costs that way? |
| [00:06:00] | mchou: | or better yet, just get 939 w/o sw raid |
| [00:07:00] | diamon: | thereal: I can't see how, raid5 needs the most CPU of the RAIDs, but they ALL need some kind of CPU to watch them. |
| [00:07:00] | xris: | therealgalen: yes. for linux, anything other than lsi or 3ware |
| [00:07:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: i see no gigbit ethernet, no 8 channel audio, no word on coax/optical spdif |
| [00:07:00] | diamon: | And I don't like the look of that motherboard, not enough PCI slots for my liking, but aside from that it looks decent overall. |
| [00:08:00] | therealgalen: | xris: like what companies? i could cut mobo costs and spend a little on a raid controller... |
| [00:08:00] | diamon: | Though I never favored SiS chips for any thing at all... |
| [00:10:00] | xris: | therealgalen: if you see RAID on the mobo, it's software. for ANYthing, not just raid5. |
| [00:10:00] | mchou: | xris: exactly. |
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| [00:11:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: lol. Your decisions make no sense at all. gigE on PCI??? |
| [00:11:00] | mchou: | dont make me laugh. |
| [00:11:00] | hlubocky_: | is the ivtv tuner modules supposed to be built with the ivtv module or is that different? When I modprobe ivtv it finds the tuner type but is unable to loasd the module |
| [00:11:00] | mchou: | ever heard of PCI saturation? |
| [00:11:00] | therealgalen: | I have a gigabit ethernet laptop I want to connect up to the raid (which was going to be on the mobo) for moving files to/from |
| [00:11:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [00:11:00] | hlubocky_: | trying to load it by hand "modprobe tuner" results in modulenot found |
| [00:12:00] | xris: | hlubocky_: depmod -a |
| [00:12:00] | mchou: | the laptop doesnt negotiate to Fast Ethernet? :) |
| [00:13:00] | therealgalen: | as opposed to gigabit? it's just that I want to move data at more than 12.5 MB/sec |
| [00:13:00] | hlubocky_: | xris, what do I do with that? |
| [00:13:00] | xris: | hlubocky_: run it |
| [00:13:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: then use firewire. |
| [00:13:00] | diamon: | mchou: Did you ever worry at how much you seem to enjoy the technical misery of others? :) |
| [00:13:00] | mchou: | diamon: not really. |
| [00:14:00] | diamon: | Oh, ok then! |
| [00:14:00] | therealgalen: | Does linux reasonably support IPoFW? |
| [00:14:00] | therealgalen: | look, i've really really gotta get going, perhaps i'll catch xris later and figure something out with my raid |
| [00:15:00] | hlubocky_: | xris, I ran it... and looking at the man it sounds like I need to look at a modules.dep in the /lib/modules/kernel-2.6.12.whatever dir, and it isblank |
| [00:15:00] | xris: | hlubocky_: if you ran depmod, now try to modprobe again |
| [00:16:00] | hlubocky_: | oh, I see...no, tuner is still module not found |
| [00:16:00] | hlubocky_: | maybe I'll do it by hand this time instead of ebuild |
| [00:16:00] | hlubocky_: | I don't remember having thisproblem the last time I tried |
| [00:16:00] | Randall64: | there: When I last looked it only worked linux<->linux |
| [00:16:00] | diamon: | Try tuner_ivtv? |
| [00:17:00] | diamon: | or tuner-ivtv? I forget. Some packages have it renamed. |
| [00:17:00] | diamon: | I had to do an alias for mine. |
| [00:17:00] | therealgalen: | goodbye, and i will be back, hopefully mchou doesn't want to kill me by that point :) |
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| [00:17:00] | hlubocky_: | ah, no luck there |
| [00:17:00] | Cromz: | lol |
| [00:18:00] | hlubocky_: | alright, I am going to unmerge this and do it by hand... |
| [00:18:00] | xris: | hlubocky_: find /lib/modules -name '*tuner*' |
| [00:21:00] | hlubocky: | hmm, I have two kernels installed and it found it on the one I am not using (gentoo-dev 2.6.11). The one I am is 2.6.12-love1... I wonder if I have to enable something in the config |
| [00:24:00] | xris: | hlubocky: to compile kernel modules, you usually need /usr/src/linux to point to the source of the kernel you want to compile for.. make sure that is linked properly |
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| [00:34:00] | Tommck: | I just got my Myth stuff working with 1080i today and noticed that some aspect ratios don't work. |
| [00:35:00] | Tommck: | When I watch a 4:3 show that contains letterboxed 16x9 content, and I try to have it fill the screen by Zooming, it screws up the video |
| [00:35:00] | Tommck: | the bottom 1/6th or so of the screen flickers and it cuts off the top of the person's head on the screen |
| [00:35:00] | Tommck: | does anyone know of a fix or is this a known issue at all? |
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| [00:35:00] | MrGhoose: | anyone here? |
| [00:36:00] | Tommck: | maybe |
| [00:36:00] | MrGhoose: | heh |
| [00:37:00] | MrGhoose: | Tommck: do you use ATI or Geforce? |
| [00:37:00] | Tommck: | GeForce |
| [00:38:00] | MrGhoose: | word |
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| [00:38:00] | Tommck: | no... OpenOffice Write |
| [00:38:00] | Tommck: | :p |
| [00:38:00] | MrGhoose: | ha |
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| [00:40:00] | Tommck: | MrGhoose – so.. you had an ATI question, I take it? |
| [00:41:00] | MrGhoose: | sorta |
| [00:41:00] | Tommck: | I used to have an ATI Mach64 card... back when that was the shiznit |
| [00:41:00] | ** Tommck can't believe he just typed "shiznit" ** | |
| [00:42:00] | MrGhoose: | its just when im watching tv some of the red's show up as green for a split second and also during fast action scenes sometimes the picture isn't as smooth |
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| [00:48:00] | djperegrine: | how do I get myth to not use vx and use framebuffer or vidix? |
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| [00:50:00] | EL_Whistey: | You can start the frontend with NOXV=1 mythfrontend |
| [00:50:00] | EL_Whistey: | And then sit back and wait |
| [00:50:00] | EL_Whistey: | and wait |
| [00:50:00] | EL_Whistey: | oh, vx? |
| [00:51:00] | djperegrine: | yes but thats what it does anyway |
| [00:51:00] | EL_Whistey: | the nerve gas? |
| [00:51:00] | djperegrine: | like |
| [00:51:00] | djperegrine: | the video lags because it can't find vx |
| [00:51:00] | EL_Whistey: | sorry, it's early, I haven't had coffee. Don't know vx. |
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| [01:28:00] | stang: | What would cause choppy live tv? A "skip" is occuring at least every 2 seconds. I get IOBOUND – blocking in ThreadedFileWriter::Write() from mythbackend when i first start watching live tv. But I don't think that's the culprit, b/c top says mythfronted is taking 30% of my cpu (sempron 3100+) and 40% memory (256 pc3200) |
| [01:29:00] | stang: | I set up myth on a fedora core 4 machine and it was b/c I didn't have any 3d graphics accel. set up, now I'm using gentoo and have a geforce fx 5200, using the nvidia drivers |
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| [01:30:00] | stang: | I meant to say, I set up a fedora core 4 machine and it had the same type of choppy video, but it was b/c of no 3d graphics accel. |
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| [01:35:00] | djperegrine: | YES |
| [01:36:00] | djperegrine: | me to |
| [01:36:00] | djperegrine: | I can't get it working! |
| [01:36:00] | djperegrine: | my tvout for my readon 7500 doesn't work |
| [01:36:00] | djperegrine: | only vesa drivers work |
| [01:36:00] | stang: | What graphics card do you have |
| [01:36:00] | stang: | oh |
| [01:36:00] | stang: | nevermind |
| [01:36:00] | stang: | sorry |
| [01:36:00] | djperegrine: | no worries |
| [01:36:00] | stang: | can you boot up using the radeon driver? |
| [01:37:00] | djperegrine: | yea |
| [01:37:00] | djperegrine: | but its all wierd and scewed |
| [01:38:00] | stang: | I wish I could help you out, but I have no experience w/ the radeon 7500 or tv-out for that matter |
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| [01:54:00] | EL_Whistey: | No *3d* graphics accel? For TV? They do holoTV where you are? |
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| [01:59:00] | stang: | whatever, no graphics accel. |
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| [02:09:00] | defaultro: | good evening guys |
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| [02:11:00] | defaultro: | There is this channel(abc7) that's always 4:3 in aspect ratio. However, when it is shown by mythtv, it becomes 16:9. This distorts the picture. Is there a way to permanently display it as 4:3? |
| [02:12:00] | djperegrine: | you can prob make some demian that dectects what channel its on via ivtvctl or something |
| [02:12:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [02:12:00] | defaultro: | I was hoping that i can easily change it in one of the tables |
| [02:12:00] | djperegrine: | I dunno what you would have to do to set it back |
| [02:13:00] | djperegrine: | possibly |
| [02:13:00] | defaultro: | only for abc7 though |
| [02:13:00] | djperegrine: | it might be under mythsetup->channel editor |
| [02:13:00] | defaultro: | ok |
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| [02:21:00] | travolta: | i'm trying to use mythtranscode from the command line and am getting this error: "ran out of video buffers!" , anyone know what to do ti fix it? |
| [02:23:00] | travolta: | command i'm trying to run is "mythtranscode --infile FILENAME --showprogress -p autodetect -f /tmp/fifodir_xxx/" |
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| [02:33:00] | safe: | anyone use Torrentocracy? |
| [02:34:00] | xris: | safe: off-limits topic |
| [02:35:00] | defaultro: | hi xris |
| [02:35:00] | defaultro: | did you see my earlier post? |
| [02:36:00] | xris: | probably not |
| [02:36:00] | defaultro: | There is this channel(abc7) that's always 4:3 in aspect ratio. However, when it is shown by mythtv, it becomes 16:9. This distorts the picture. Is there a way to permanently display it as 4:3? |
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| [02:37:00] | steven_h: | Does anyone here know how to go about fixing the display of international characters (accents/etc) in the mythmusic playlists? Currently, each special character looks like two white boxes... any ideas? |
| [02:37:00] | defaultro: | I've been looking at each table in mythconverg but couldn't find anything helpful |
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| [02:38:00] | xris: | defaultro: no clue |
| [02:38:00] | awesome-o: | does any free software exist on windows or gnu/linux that will let me cut commercials out of a video i recorded with my tv tuner? |
| [02:38:00] | xris: | awesome-o: um, mythtv? |
| [02:38:00] | MrGhoose: | its just when im watching tv some of the red's show up as green for a split second and also during fast action scenes sometimes the picture isn't as smooth |
| [02:39:00] | awesome-o: | myth has a video editor? |
| [02:39:00] | travolta: | xris, you helped write nuvexport? |
| [02:39:00] | xris: | awesome-o: um, yeah. |
| [02:39:00] | xris: | travolta: wrote, yes. |
| [02:40:00] | travolta: | can you add a new export format? sony psp |
| [02:40:00] | awesome-o: | heh, i'd like that too travolta |
| [02:40:00] | awesome-o: | xris: what about a standalone app |
| [02:40:00] | xris: | travolta: I won't (can't, no way to test, no use), but I've already said I'd accept it if someone writes one |
| [02:40:00] | xris: | awesome-o: yes, google should turn up plenty of video editing software for linux |
| [02:41:00] | xris: | avidemux, lve, etc |
| [02:41:00] | travolta: | i can test it, i know the ffmpeg options to use, i just dont know perl :( |
| [02:41:00] | defaultro: | xris, how come avidemux crashes when I do cutlisting on an hdtv recorded program? I chose 9 in nuvexport |
| [02:42:00] | awesome-o: | i know perl and i have a PSP, is there a good guide for writing an export? |
| [02:42:00] | xris: | defaultro: don't think avidemux can do TS |
| [02:42:00] | travolta: | awesome-o, you have nuvexport ? |
| [02:43:00] | xris: | awesome-o: just take a look at any of the ffmpeg modules. |
| [02:43:00] | xris: | I tried to document them pretty well. |
| [02:44:00] | xris: | travolta: it should be pretty easy to poke through any of the ffmpeg modules to find where the ffmpeg call is built. |
| [02:49:00] | defaultro: | xris, I'm gonna try again since I just reverted back to PS |
| [02:49:00] | defaultro: | actually, i used replex to convert TS to PS and tried nuvexport before. |
| [02:49:00] | xris: | defaultro: I don't think air2pc can NOT record in TS |
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| [02:50:00] | defaultro: | oh ok. Because, I configured it within mythtx |
| [02:50:00] | defaultro: | it's a checkbox |
| [02:50:00] | defaultro: | so i unchecked it yesterday |
| [02:50:00] | defaultro: | I'm going to try it again later |
| [02:52:00] | xris: | yeah, from what I remember dopester telling me, it won't work right if you don't use TS. |
| [02:53:00] | defaultro: | wait |
| [02:53:00] | defaultro: | it will not work if it is not TS? |
| [02:53:00] | defaultro: | or you are saying that it will only work in PS mode? |
| [02:55:00] | xris: | I think it only works with TS. |
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| [02:57:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [02:57:00] | mchou: | defaultro: BBTI wrote back to me. |
| [02:57:00] | defaultro: | what's the reply? |
| [02:58:00] | mchou: | hey've been besst by delays. :) |
| [02:58:00] | mchou: | beset* |
| [02:58:00] | defaultro: | so xris, how come TS was found in the header when I was doing the mpeg cut? Then Beirdo told me to convert it to PS using replex |
| [02:58:00] | mchou: | I got my money out is all I care. |
| [02:58:00] | defaultro: | oh ok mchou |
| [02:58:00] | xris: | defaultro: it's all over my head, serious.y |
| [02:59:00] | defaultro: | just had an exchange emails with people who have fusion3hdtv and yes, they really got it working. I told them to write some howto :) |
| [02:59:00] | mchou: | defaultro: haha! |
| [02:59:00] | defaultro: | ;) |
| [02:59:00] | mchou: | good luck on that one. |
| [02:59:00] | defaultro: | i'm hoping that 5th should be supported in 1 or 2 months :) |
| [03:00:00] | defaultro: | that's what am really planning to buy |
| [03:00:00] | mchou: | if they got it working then they dont need to write howtos :) |
| [03:00:00] | defaultro: | the guy said it's tough |
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| [03:00:00] | defaultro: | it was very confusing for him |
| [03:00:00] | mchou: | haha. |
| [03:00:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [03:00:00] | mchou: | was he a gentoo user? :) |
| [03:00:00] | defaultro: | i think, it was tough because they were using the qam feature |
| [03:01:00] | defaultro: | i didn't ask |
| [03:01:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [03:01:00] | defaultro: | emerge |
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| [03:01:00] | mchou: | defaultro: I'm just waiting for the prices to come down :) |
| [03:02:00] | defaultro: | me too |
| [03:02:00] | dopester: | xris: its the ts->ps transform thats bad it has nothing to do with just the air2pc |
| [03:02:00] | mchou: | there is no reason that a HDTV card should be >$100. |
| [03:02:00] | dopester: | deafultro: it will be supported in 1–2 montsh i am sure |
| [03:02:00] | defaultro: | so dopester, since now it's PS, im not doing the conversion, i should be fine then? |
| [03:02:00] | defaultro: | wow :) thanks dopester |
| [03:02:00] | dopester: | whats in ps? |
| [03:03:00] | ShockValue: | Hi all.. suddenly im having trouble fast forwarding / rewinding and skipping commercials on my box.. skip wont work at all, and when i fast forward, the "total time" skip all around, and the screen gets all jumbled up for a couple seconds |
| [03:03:00] | dopester: | the data coming from all dvb cards is ts |
| [03:03:00] | defaultro: | is the fusion5hdtv card better than the newer air2pc? |
| [03:03:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [03:03:00] | diamon: | Good to know, since I planned to get one. :) |
| [03:03:00] | defaultro: | i just saw a checkbox in mythtv-setup to enable recording in TS |
| [03:04:00] | ShockValue: | so like if a commercial comes on, i hit fast forward, the time jumps around for a few seconds and then it jumps 30 seconds... i have to wait ac ouple seconds, then i can hit fast forward again.. rince repeat.. its quite annoying |
| [03:04:00] | ShockValue: | any clue what i might have done? |
| [03:05:00] | xris: | dopester: yes. but I don't think mythtv can do that transform |
| [03:05:00] | defaultro: | so mchou, 5th gen will be supported sooner, let's buy it :) |
| [03:05:00] | dopester: | doesnt matter anymore |
| [03:05:00] | dopester: | the 5th gen demod was the only reason i was pushing the air2pc |
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| [03:06:00] | mchou: | I'm not gonna pay $149 :) |
| [03:06:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:06:00] | dopester: | they obviously can't do anything in a timely manner so support korea i say |
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| [03:06:00] | mchou: | $110 maybe, but notr $149. |
| [03:06:00] | xris: | dopester: no fair joining in the conversation and confusing me. heh |
| [03:06:00] | dopester: | xris: NEVER USE PS MODE with dvb.. its broke.. |
| [03:06:00] | dopester: | thats the answer to anything regarding PS mode :) |
| [03:07:00] | defaultro: | so dopester, I should then check that checkbox again to do TS mode? |
| [03:07:00] | dopester: | id always leave it in ts mode |
| [03:07:00] | diamon: | So the air2pc uses TS mode then? And what's that about a 5th gen demodulator? |
| [03:07:00] | dopester: | which shoudl be the default now |
| [03:07:00] | dopester: | all dvb cards recieve data in TRANSPORT STREAM FORMAT (AKA TS) |
| [03:07:00] | defaultro: | gotcha |
| [03:07:00] | defaultro: | so that means if i uncheck it, a conversion in the header is being done |
| [03:08:00] | dopester: | the 5th gen thing is a seperate conversation |
| [03:08:00] | dopester: | its more than a header conversion but yes |
| [03:08:00] | diamon: | Ah, had me wondering. |
| [03:08:00] | xris: | dopester: well, that's basically what I was saying. |
| [03:08:00] | defaultro: | gotcha ;) i'll do that later once my kids are finished playing mythtv :) |
| [03:08:00] | dopester: | ok just checking |
| [03:08:00] | dopester: | you know i just do drivebys anymore of this channel :) |
| [03:09:00] | defaultro: | xris, but beirdo was telling me that to make avidemux not crash, it should be in ps mode |
| [03:09:00] | dopester: | whenever i see someone said my name i scroll up to see what kidna trash they were talking :) |
| [03:09:00] | defaultro: | lol |
| [03:09:00] | diamon: | So are folks liking the quality on the Air2PC? That's the one I was planning to buy. |
| [03:09:00] | defaultro: | but the real reason i want to do that is to cut the cutlist in hdtv |
| [03:09:00] | defaultro: | diamon, i have air2pc and very happy |
| [03:10:00] | defaultro: | the code writer is beside us |
| [03:10:00] | defaultro: | :) |
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| [03:10:00] | defaultro: | it's dopester that wrote the air2pc code, w00t |
| [03:10:00] | dopester: | and all teh atsc code |
| [03:10:00] | dopester: | i reall yneed to re-motivated and finsih that stuff up |
| [03:10:00] | defaultro: | diamon, however, air2pc will become available late august :( |
| [03:10:00] | diamon: | Really? Spiff! |
| [03:11:00] | defaultro: | hell yeah ;) |
| [03:11:00] | diamon: | Oh no, production was pushed back again? |
| [03:11:00] | steven_h: | I would appreciate any help with getting unicode (utf8) font to work in mythmusic. (To siaplay accents, etc) |
| [03:11:00] | defaultro: | he has been very helpful to me back in february |
| [03:12:00] | dopester: | well i gotta get a shower and get downtown.. |
| [03:12:00] | defaultro: | mchou, if there was a fusion 5th gen gold without remote, that would be cheaper |
| [03:12:00] | dopester: | take care guys |
| [03:12:00] | MrGhoose: | its just when im watching tv some of the red's show up as green for a split second and also during fast action scenes sometimes the picture isn't as smooth |
| [03:12:00] | defaultro: | you too |
| [03:13:00] | mchou: | nah, a remote doesnt cost them that much. |
| [03:13:00] | mchou: | probably at most $5 in bulk. |
| [03:13:00] | dopester: | isnt the fusion gold 5 lite 99 bucks? |
| [03:13:00] | mchou: | heh, that's the silver :) |
| [03:13:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [03:13:00] | mchou: | bt878 |
| [03:14:00] | defaultro: | it is but it might be supported later than gold :( |
| [03:14:00] | mchou: | as opposed to cx88 |
| [03:14:00] | dopester: | mac michaels who did the other dvico cards shoudl be able to do it pretty qucikyl |
| [03:14:00] | dopester: | if al it is is attaching a demod to an existing demux driver |
| [03:14:00] | mchou: | dopester: exactly. |
| [03:15:00] | dopester: | i mean what difference is the b2c2 flexcop (air2pc demux) when you can't get it? |
| [03:15:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [03:15:00] | mchou: | unobtainium. |
| [03:16:00] | dopester: | vapor-board |
| [03:16:00] | dopester: | i mean it really exists i have one in my dev box but geezz.. |
| [03:16:00] | mchou: | dopester: dont be so hard on them. |
| [03:16:00] | dopester: | why shouldn't i be? |
| [03:16:00] | mchou: | w/o BBTI there would had been no fusion linux :) |
| [03:17:00] | defaultro: | is this the guy you're talking about, Michael Krufky? |
| [03:17:00] | dopester: | he called me up very angry because i was taking too long on the driver he wasn't paying me for :) |
| [03:17:00] | dopester: | no mac michaels |
| [03:17:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:17:00] | dopester: | not angry but sorta pissy |
| [03:17:00] | defaultro: | lol |
| [03:17:00] | dopester: | i mean give me a break bbti.. hehe |
| [03:17:00] | defaultro: | they should get mad |
| [03:17:00] | defaultro: | who are them to say that |
| [03:18:00] | dopester: | why should i bust my ass to write drivers for a card they can never produce :) |
| [03:18:00] | defaultro: | ooops, they shouldn't get mad |
| [03:18:00] | mchou: | dopester: maybe in his mind he was paying you :) |
| [03:18:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [03:18:00] | dopester: | yeah 1 card was payment :) |
| [03:18:00] | dopester: | hehe |
| [03:18:00] | dopester: | don't go overboard there bbti.. hehe |
| [03:18:00] | dopester: | ok enough venting.. im outta here kids.. gotta go drink some beers.. |
| [03:19:00] | defaultro: | they're thinking that the only card that can be used in linux for hd is Air2pc |
| [03:19:00] | mchou: | defaultro: who? |
| [03:19:00] | defaultro: | hey BBTI, I know you're a lurker here, LOL |
| [03:19:00] | defaultro: | bbti |
| [03:19:00] | mchou: | nah, I doubt bbti thought that. |
| [03:20:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:20:00] | mchou: | something else going on most likel\y. |
| [03:20:00] | defaultro: | mchou, quick question |
| [03:20:00] | mchou: | yeah. |
| [03:21:00] | defaultro: | i'm capturing abc 7. When it is displayed either via livetv or recorded, it's shown as 16x9 |
| [03:21:00] | defaultro: | however, it's only 4:3 |
| [03:21:00] | defaultro: | is there a way to force it to show as 4:3 aspect ratio? |
| [03:21:00] | mchou: | you can change the display ratio.... |
| [03:21:00] | defaultro: | i know that while playing, i can change it |
| [03:22:00] | mchou: | hmm, not certain. |
| [03:22:00] | defaultro: | but for abc7, it's very intermittent |
| [03:22:00] | defaultro: | but not for other channels |
| [03:22:00] | mchou: | weirdness. |
| [03:22:00] | defaultro: | if i do it in abc7, lirc will stop working |
| [03:22:00] | mchou: | cant help you out there :( |
| [03:22:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:22:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [03:22:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [03:22:00] | defaultro: | just in that channel (7.1) |
| [03:22:00] | defaultro: | not in 7.2 |
| [03:23:00] | defaultro: | 7.2 is perfectly shown in 4:3 |
| [03:23:00] | mchou: | haha. that's some major gremlin. |
| [03:23:00] | defaultro: | it's been like that since 16 for me |
| [03:23:00] | mchou: | braks lirc too :) |
| [03:23:00] | defaultro: | im on 18.2 now |
| [03:23:00] | defaultro: | still the same |
| [03:23:00] | mchou: | 18.2?? |
| [03:23:00] | defaultro: | svn i mean |
| [03:23:00] | mchou: | ok. |
| [03:23:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [03:23:00] | defaultro: | i think it's time to debug it |
| [03:24:00] | defaultro: | but don't know where to start |
| [03:24:00] | mchou: | sounds like it. |
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| [03:24:00] | defaultro: | i can enable logging and watch 7 to get the reso it's capturing |
| [03:24:00] | defaultro: | i'll do it later |
| [03:24:00] | mchou: | play it in mplayer, find out what the ratiio really is. |
| [03:24:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:24:00] | defaultro: | there is a ui tool which will tell the format |
| [03:24:00] | defaultro: | but i forgot |
| [03:24:00] | mchou: | it should tell ya what the recorded ratio is. |
| [03:25:00] | mchou: | mplayer -i, I think. |
| [03:25:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:26:00] | defaultro: | mplayer -identify |
| [03:28:00] | xris: | defaultro: same thing nuvexport uses, actually |
| [03:28:00] | defaultro: | it's ID_VIDEO_WIDTH=1280 and ID_VIDEO_HEIGHT=720 |
| [03:28:00] | defaultro: | the one that is problematic |
| [03:28:00] | defaultro: | ok xris |
| [03:28:00] | defaultro: | VIDEO: MPEG2 1280x720 (aspect 3) 59.940 fps 14300.0 kbps (1787.5 kbyte/s) |
| [03:29:00] | defaultro: | i don't believe it's 1280x720 |
| [03:29:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [03:29:00] | defaultro: | i am sure because faces become wider |
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| [03:29:00] | MrGhoose: | its just when im watching tv some of the red's show up as green for a split second and also during fast action scenes sometimes the picture isn't as smooth |
| [03:29:00] | defaultro: | and i've got big black bars on left and right |
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| [03:30:00] | defaultro: | is there a tool that we can modify the header in the nuv file? |
| [03:30:00] | defaultro: | so i can set it to 480x480 |
| [03:30:00] | mchou: | hmm, beats me. |
| [03:30:00] | defaultro: | i'm definitely sure that's it only 480x480 |
| [03:31:00] | defaultro: | or 720x480 i mean |
| [03:31:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [03:34:00] | MonMotha: | defaultro: how was this recorded? |
| [03:34:00] | defaultro: | via air2pc |
| [03:35:00] | MonMotha: | then it probably IS 1280x720, that's 720p/i |
| [03:35:00] | defaultro: | nope |
| [03:35:00] | MonMotha: | is the aspect ratio just wrong? |
| [03:35:00] | defaultro: | i'm definitely sure that the picture is only 720x480 |
| [03:35:00] | defaultro: | might be |
| [03:35:00] | defaultro: | aspect should be 4:3 |
| [03:35:00] | MonMotha: | well, MOST broadcasters screw their aspect ratio up |
| [03:35:00] | defaultro: | Vardon Family (7/17, 6:00 PM) 1280x720 MPEG2 (16:9) |
| [03:35:00] | defaultro: | ah ok |
| [03:36:00] | defaultro: | so if that is shown as 4:3, it will be perfect |
| [03:36:00] | MonMotha: | all the local guys around here braodcast 16:9 all the time, and either stretch or barn-door their 4:3 content |
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| [03:36:00] | defaultro: | it is stretched :( |
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| [03:36:00] | MonMotha: | ah, MythTV can crush it back down |
| [03:36:00] | defaultro: | i know |
| [03:36:00] | diamon: | CRUSH THEM! Rar! |
| [03:36:00] | defaultro: | but if i do that on this channel, lirc stops working properly |
| [03:37:00] | MonMotha: | what? |
| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | but on other channels, it is fine |
| [03:37:00] | diamon: | Sorry, the power of MythTV got away from me there... |
| [03:37:00] | MonMotha: | that would bea mythtv bug... |
| [03:37:00] | MonMotha: | (amongst the many) |
| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | here is what i noticed |
| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | if i watch a program that is 4:3 and is displayed as 4:3, there will be no issues changing aspect ratio on the fly |
| [03:38:00] | defaultro: | but if watch a 4:3 show that is shown at 16:9 immediately, i will have problems |
| [03:38:00] | defaultro: | it only happens in abc 7 |
| [03:38:00] | defaultro: | it's always stretch |
| [03:38:00] | defaultro: | 7 subchannel 1 |
| [03:38:00] | defaultro: | but their 7 subchannel 2 is 4:3 |
| [03:38:00] | MonMotha: | but their 4:3 subchannel probably isn't HD |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | it's been like this since i was on .16 |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | i agree |
| [03:39:00] | MonMotha: | 8VSB doesn't have enough room to do two HD channels, at least not and make them look decent |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | both of them have the same size, i'm definitely sure |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | not by the type of file we see in the header |
| [03:39:00] | MonMotha: | I doubt that... |
| [03:39:00] | defaultro: | but the output of the picture |
| [03:40:00] | MonMotha: | well, the networks are mostly showing upconverted stuff right now, so you won't notice the HD anyway |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | coz if I change the problematic 7.1 aspect ratio, picture will get perfect |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | but i have to wait for a long time before lirc can recuperate back |
| [03:40:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, that's what I do with my local CBS affiliate (who stretches things) |
| [03:40:00] | MonMotha: | whichi s especially good since I have a 4:3 TV |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | i have hd here |
| [03:41:00] | MonMotha: | I've got an HD set, and HD looks great |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | WGN's 4:3 is fine |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | HD is awesome |
| [03:41:00] | MonMotha: | but actual HD content is very rare, except on PBS |
| [03:41:00] | MonMotha: | most of what the networks show is upconverted |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | basketball in cbs was hd |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | also fox channel |
| [03:41:00] | MonMotha: | does WGN actually change their program info when they do 4:3? |
| [03:42:00] | MonMotha: | all the local guys just barn-door or stretch 4:3 and leave the program info at 16:9 |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | hmmm, i really don't notice it |
| [03:42:00] | MonMotha: | there's actually a way for them to say "This is 4:3, crush it if you have to" and still use full horizontal 1280 res |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | so currently, i have always been watching abc7 stretched :( |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | but how |
| [03:42:00] | MonMotha: | well, that definately sounds like a MythTV bug |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:42:00] | MonMotha: | well, MythTV can override. Just hit w |
| [03:43:00] | defaultro: | that's the aspect ratio right |
| [03:43:00] | MonMotha: | if that breaks your lirc, that's a bug |
| [03:43:00] | defaultro: | when we show the menu on the left while watchign right? |
| [03:43:00] | eagle63: | hey guys, anyone interested in giving me a hand with a slave-backend setup issue? |
| [03:43:00] | defaultro: | i'm planning to capture the log later for channel abc7 |
| [03:43:00] | MonMotha: | thing is, the broadcaster can actually set a flag that says "this is 4:3" int heir program info, then "stretch" the content to full 1280x720 and things should automatically display fullscreen on 4:3 TVs and barn-door on 16:9 sets |
| [03:44:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [03:44:00] | MonMotha: | as far as I know, there's no easy way to recover all this header info from a NUV |
| [03:44:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:44:00] | defaultro: | but am glad, you understood my issue |
| [03:44:00] | MonMotha: | the best I've been able to get is the image size (1280x720 or 1920x1080), but not even if it's interlaced or not |
| [03:44:00] | MonMotha: | there's a station around here I think may be running 720i, but I'm not sure |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | i have seen other 720p shows without issues |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | such as baseball in fox32 |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | so i guess, abc7 is really screwed up just like what you said |
| [03:45:00] | MonMotha: | my FOX affiliate barn-doors 4:3 |
| [03:45:00] | MonMotha: | while my CBS affiliate stretches |
| [03:46:00] | defaultro: | i'm gonna try changing ratios now again and see what happens |
| [03:46:00] | defaultro: | wait |
| [03:46:00] | MonMotha: | so for FOX, I do 16:9 Zoom on my 4:3 TV, and for CBS I just override the aspect ratio to 4:3 (since that's what it is) and it removes the letterboxing |
| [03:46:00] | MonMotha: | I also need to figure out how to convince my PVR-150 to capture the correct audio for Discovery |
| [03:46:00] | defaultro: | that worked well, lirc still worked in abc7 |
| [03:47:00] | defaultro: | it's now at 4:3 |
| [03:47:00] | MonMotha: | my BTTV tuner is getting it right |
| [03:47:00] | defaultro: | and picture is not distorted anymore |
| [03:47:00] | defaultro: | it's the first time i tried it in .18 SVN |
| [03:47:00] | defaultro: | i will do more testings later |
| [03:48:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, they're just stretching 4:3 and not changing their program info |
| [03:48:00] | MonMotha: | my local NBC affiliate is HORRIBLE with that |
| [03:48:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:48:00] | MonMotha: | they stretch 4:3 PART WAY, which means that no matter what you do, it looks wrong |
| [03:48:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [03:48:00] | MonMotha: | I really should call them and complain |
| [03:48:00] | defaultro: | hey, i got to water some perennials before they die :) |
| [03:48:00] | MonMotha: | the "proper" thing to do if you're not going to change the program info is to barn-door it |
| [03:49:00] | defaultro: | very bad water level here in illinois :( |
| [03:49:00] | MonMotha: | heh, we just got 8" of rain in some places...over about 3 hours yesterday |
| [03:49:00] | defaultro: | i think, we were expecting 5" of rain while only .5 came :(((( |
| [03:49:00] | MonMotha: | had bad flooding |
| [03:49:00] | MonMotha: | I'm your neighbor to the east |
| [03:49:00] | defaultro: | send it to us via email :) |
| [03:49:00] | defaultro: | gotcha |
| [03:49:00] | defaultro: | aight, i will still be online |
| [03:49:00] | defaultro: | i'll catch you later |
| [03:50:00] | eagle63: | hello, anyone still here? :) |
| [03:51:00] | diamon: | defaultro: Yeah, got a friend up there who says the corn crops around his dad's farm are going to be lucky if they make feed-grade due to lack of rain... |
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| [04:03:00] | djperegrine: | I just did this http://megahurts.dk/rune/tv_output.html and now I get a blank screen |
| [04:03:00] | djperegrine: | can someone help me? |
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| [04:11:00] | diamon: | Blank screen entirely, or only on TV? Does a shell prompt show anything? |
| [04:14:00] | MonMotha: | oooohhh, real HD programming |
| [04:14:00] | MonMotha: | too bad I'm watching it on a 4:3 SD TV |
| [04:15:00] | diamon: | MonMotha: Take what you can get, I suppose. :) |
| [04:15:00] | MonMotha: | I have an HD set, but not box to use Myth with for it |
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| [04:16:00] | Russ: | did anyone watch the last episode of paranoid agent? |
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| [04:17:00] | eagle63: | hey guys |
| [04:18:00] | eagle63: | anyone have any experience with setting up a slave backend? |
| [04:19:00] | diamon: | eagle63: That can be such a potentially messy question I doubt anyone will touch it without a more specific request or better info. |
| [04:20:00] | eagle63: | well I'm happy to give lots of info! |
| [04:20:00] | eagle63: | to cut to the chase, my slave is able to connect to the mysql DB on the master no problems |
| [04:20:00] | eagle63: | however, when I start the slave mythbackend process, it starts as the master, rather than the slave |
| [04:21:00] | eagle63: | for some reason, it thinks it's hte master backend even though I've setup up the IP addresses correctly |
| [04:21:00] | eagle63: | to have it point to the real master backend |
| [04:22:00] | diamon: | Yep, that's odd. Sadly, I've never tried a split back/frontend, so I really don't have any experience with it. |
| [04:22:00] | eagle63: | ok |
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| [04:23:00] | eagle63: | Is this chat-room a good place to get help on this sort of thing? |
| [04:23:00] | MonMotha: | I have a slave backend that has no tuners :) |
| [04:23:00] | eagle63: | I can always try the mailing list, but I figured it's easier to explain stuff "live" |
| [04:23:00] | MonMotha: | I don't really use it not (in fact, I don't know that it even runs anymore). I used to use it for commercial flagging |
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| [04:24:00] | eagle63: | MonMotha, did you have any difficulties getting the slave to connect as the "slave" ? |
| [04:24:00] | eagle63: | -rather than as Master? |
| [04:25:00] | diamon: | This is usually a good channel to ask in, but this is a bit late (US time) on a Sunday to have a large population. |
| [04:25:00] | MonMotha: | no, but I agree that the system MythTV uses for determining what is that master and what is the slave backend is stupid |
| [04:25:00] | MonMotha: | not to mention that you can't put hostnames (only ip addresses) in the config |
| [04:26:00] | eagle63: | it seems so straightforward, but I'm absolutely baffled as to why my slave "thinks" it's the master |
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| [04:26:00] | eagle63: | do you know what the actual logic is for how Myth determines which is which? |
| [04:26:00] | MonMotha: | it appears that it determines if it should start as the master based on comparing its ip address (As specified in mythtv-setup, not based on querying available addresses) to the ip address specified as the master backend |
| [04:26:00] | eagle63: | ok, that's what I assumed too |
| [04:27:00] | eagle63: | and even though both are different in my Slave setup, it still starts as Master |
| [04:27:00] | MonMotha: | oh awesome |
| [04:27:00] | MonMotha: | 16:9 broadcast (so letterboxed on my TV) showing a 16:9 commercial, that's been barn-doored and letterboxed |
| [04:27:00] | MonMotha: | there's this tiny picture in the middle of my screen :) |
| [04:27:00] | eagle63: | are you watching HD thru myth? |
| [04:28:00] | MonMotha: | yes |
| [04:28:00] | MonMotha: | if it weren't just a commercial, I'd override the aspect ratio |
| [04:28:00] | eagle63: | how are you capturing the HD? |
| [04:28:00] | MonMotha: | mythtv has trouble commercial flagging on HD, even though there's an easy way to tell usually |
| [04:28:00] | MonMotha: | pcHDTV OTA |
| [04:28:00] | eagle63: | ok |
| [04:29:00] | eagle63: | i'm hoping to use my slave (once I get the damn thing workign) |
| [04:29:00] | eagle63: | to capture HD over firewire via my cable box |
| [04:29:00] | MonMotha: | why not just throw it in the backend? it takes next to no CPU time since all it's doing is writing to the hard drive |
| [04:29:00] | eagle63: | I know, I could do that – and maybe I ultimately will |
| [04:30:00] | eagle63: | I just kinda thought it would be fun to get a 2nd box going |
| [04:30:00] | eagle63: | plus that way I figure I could keep the 2 completely separate, so if somethign got really hosed I wouldn't mess up my working |
| [04:30:00] | eagle63: | frontend/backend combo |
| [04:30:00] | diamon: | Ah, a 'just because I can' box. I've got more than a few of those... |
| [04:31:00] | MonMotha: | heh, mythtv seems to have enough trouble with multiple tuners |
| [04:31:00] | eagle63: | really? tha's discouraging... |
| [04:31:00] | MonMotha: | multiple dissimilar tuners I should say (hooked to different sources, different priorities, etc) |
| [04:31:00] | eagle63: | oh |
| [04:31:00] | MonMotha: | it does OK most of the time |
| [04:32:00] | eagle63: | I"ve actually been quite impressed with my single tuner system in terms of reliability |
| [04:32:00] | eagle63: | granted, it took me forever to get it to this point.... |
| [04:32:00] | MonMotha: | about the only problem is that if you get a show with no guide data (just a generic "This Show") type thing, it'll record two or even three of the same thing if you have multiple sources |
| [04:32:00] | MonMotha: | but that's understandable since it doesn't know they're not the same |
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| [04:33:00] | eagle63: | true |
| [04:33:00] | MonMotha: | just fun to look at my list and see 6 recordings of the Simpsons, when there's really only two episodes, both of which I haev seen :) |
| [04:34:00] | diamon: | So, why not delete them? |
| [04:34:00] | domination: | I'm trying to set up KnoppMyth on a Phillips 60" HD tv that supports 1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i. I'm using a radeon 9700 Pro w/ DVI out. My screen garbles when X loads. What Horiz/Vertical do you recommend? |
| [04:34:00] | MonMotha: | http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux . . . uration.html |
| [04:34:00] | domination: | all of those res's were at 60hz btw. I searched the inter-web, but could not find one. |
| [04:35:00] | MonMotha: | there's a shit-ton of modelines on there |
| [04:35:00] | domination: | MonMotha, reading it now.... |
| [04:35:00] | MonMotha: | use the 720p 59.94 one |
| [04:35:00] | MonMotha: | unless you have a DLP, then 60 may be more appropriate, tinker |
| [04:37:00] | domination: | alright, i'll be back in a bit.. |
| [04:37:00] | ** domination works diligently ** | |
| [04:39:00] | NightBird: | hm.. |
| [04:39:00] | diamon: | Better than me, I'm slacking here playing some Starcraft for a bit instead of trying to figure out why my PVR-150's sound is so odd... It's really lacking in bass sounds, and I think it's still clipping a bit, but I can't decide if I want to try the 3.x driver or just bear with it a bit and hope for a new stable driver. |
| [04:40:00] | ** NightBird ponders... ** | |
| [04:40:00] | NightBird: | 160 gig drive will hold about how much for myth tv? about how many hours will that get me for recording stuff? |
| [04:41:00] | diamon: | Depends on the capture resolution and quality, but that's a decent number of hours even with DVD quality. |
| [04:41:00] | NightBird: | hm.... ok |
| [04:42:00] | ** NightBird is really bored so he is designing a myth box.... that will probably never exsist irl ** | |
| [04:42:00] | diamon: | Eh, I'm spoiled with mine already, and I've had it fully up and operational less than a week. |
| [04:43:00] | NightBird: | heh |
| [04:43:00] | NightBird: | so far, the only item that is over $100 is the case... |
| [04:44:00] | diamon: | Yep, they can be built on the cheap. If you want to use it for TV-out, and not HDTV, I like my GF4 FX5200. |
| [04:44:00] | NightBird: | hm.. |
| [04:45:00] | NightBird: | I think I picked a GeForce 5 something... |
| [04:45:00] | diamon: | I don't think 5's exist yet. |
| [04:46:00] | NightBird: | well.. |
| [04:46:00] | diamon: | But hey, neither does the box! :) |
| [04:46:00] | NightBird: | GeForce FX 5200 |
| [04:47:00] | diamon: | Yep, that's it. |
| [04:47:00] | diamon: | Good card, nice TV-out, hasn't done anything freaky to me yet. |
| [04:47:00] | NightBird: | hm.. |
| [04:47:00] | NightBird: | what else.. |
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| [04:48:00] | NightBird: | case, motherboard, cpu, videocard, ram, harddrive, sata card(motherboard doesn't support sata... maybe I should check on something with sata support..) |
| [04:48:00] | NightBird: | capture card of course |
| [04:49:00] | mmead: | anyone using 802.11g to connect backend and frontend? |
| [04:49:00] | NightBird: | hey... how about a dvd drive |
| [04:49:00] | diamon: | night: Might be a good idea. I used an old-ass one I had laying around and got lucky, it's even regionless. |
| [04:50:00] | NightBird: | heh |
| [04:50:00] | diamon: | mmead: Nope, and I wouldn't if I could avoid it, video files are LARGE. |
| [04:50:00] | domination: | I tried the DTV-PCTweaked NTSC-59.94 and the 1080I resolution. Each of them feed me garble. Could it be ATI Related? ( running ati on knoppmyth ) |
| [04:50:00] | mmead: | diamon: yeah, sure, but my high quality profile has a max of 8000Kbit/s |
| [04:51:00] | mmead: | diamon: I get significant stuttering on my 8000Kbit profile, all others are 4000Kbit/s or less |
| [04:51:00] | diamon: | That's higher than mine. Anyway, doesn't matter, wireless should behave the same as wired, if the wireless device is supported at least. |
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| [04:52:00] | mmead: | diamon: right |
| [04:53:00] | mmead: | diamon: what I can't figure out is why it's not getting enough throughput for ~1Mbyte/s |
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| [04:53:00] | mmead: | diamon: this is deb with ndiswrapper driver |
| [04:53:00] | mmead: | diamon: my mac powerbooks play fine over the same wifi network |
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| [04:54:00] | mmead: | diamon: what is your max Kbit/s in your profiles? |
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| [04:55:00] | diamon: | I think my HQ setting is Mpeg2 6k/4.5 as I recall. |
| [04:55:00] | diamon: | It's a PVR-150 card. |
| [04:55:00] | mmead: | diamon: hmm, I'm using a pvr-350 – maybe the 8K i overkill |
| [04:55:00] | mmead: | s/i/is/ |
| [04:56:00] | mmead: | diamon: I also setup an open ad-hoc network between the frontend and backend to see if the encryption was causing too much slowdown – same stuttering, though |
| [04:56:00] | diamon: | The card shouldn't care, so any stuttering is likely network bandwidth or some kind of mis-configuration. |
| [04:57:00] | NightBird: | hahahaha |
| [04:57:00] | NightBird: | video card is second most expensive only to the case.. |
| [04:57:00] | mmead: | diamon: right... maybe ndiswrapper is just chewing too much throughput |
| [04:57:00] | NightBird: | then comes the hd.... |
| [04:57:00] | diamon: | 54Mbit cards have a max transfer rate of 5.7Mb/sec max, so that's your absolute cap, with 4Mbit likely being closer to it. |
| [04:58:00] | MonMotha: | domination: try one of the ATSC spec lines |
| [04:58:00] | MonMotha: | I'd go with a 720p one. If you have a CRT (projection or direct view) try a 59.94 one, DLP may sync better to 60 |
| [04:58:00] | diamon: | With all the encryption I've got, mine maxes out at 3.7-ish. |
| [04:58:00] | mmead: | diamon: yep... I routinely see 2.5–3Mbyte/s transfer via ssh |
| [04:59:00] | mmead: | diamon: (maybe I have less hospitable environment for signals) |
| [04:59:00] | diamon: | So it's a bit off from what I'm getting, but not notably so. |
| [04:59:00] | mmead: | diamon: right |
| [04:59:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
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| [04:59:00] | diamon: | Yep, a bit of microwaving makes my wireless a LOT slower for some reason. |
| [04:59:00] | mmead: | diamon: :) |
| [05:00:00] | mmead: | diamon: maybe ndiswrapper prevents dma or something |
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| [05:00:00] | NightBird: | 513.... wow.... cheaper then the one I designed for being cheap(but upgradeable, which is why that one is more expensive...) |
| [05:01:00] | mmead: | diamon: ever played with the read-ahead buffer on frontends? |
| [05:03:00] | diamon: | Nope, sorry. My systems are always built to be a combined front/backend. |
| [05:03:00] | mmead: | diamon: ahh.. |
| [05:03:00] | mmead: | diamon: my backend will eventually be a combo |
| [05:03:00] | mmead: | diamon: but I have another tv I want to have a frontend at |
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| [05:03:00] | mmead: | diamon: this will all get worse when my air2pc card gets here and I'm pulling 5x more data. |
| [05:04:00] | diamon: | mmead: You're gonna surely need a wire for that. Wireless surely can't do channel bonding. |
| [05:04:00] | mmead: | diamon: yeah |
| [05:04:00] | mmead: | diamon: what is channel bonding? |
| [05:05:00] | djperegrine: | does fglrx work with a readon 7500 ? |
| [05:06:00] | diamon: | Bonding is pairing up NICs for better bandwidth. They operate with pools of cards that act as one virtual NIC. |
| [05:07:00] | mmead: | diamon: ahh... |
| [05:07:00] | mmead: | diamon: so multi-homing on the same physical lan? |
| [05:07:00] | MonMotha: | HD is 19.74(I think, it's around there) megabit/sec at most |
| [05:07:00] | domination: | MonMotha, yeah, I've beenusing mostly the ATSC lines, tried quite a few of them now. Most of them leave me with the screen split into 4 squares. With the break in the dead center of screen. |
| [05:07:00] | diamon: | Yeah, pretty much. |
| [05:08:00] | MonMotha: | usually less (around 10 or so) since they want to mux multiple channels in, and the backend does TS->PS |
| [05:08:00] | mmead: | MonMotha: yeah, I've been hearing a max of 25Mbit |
| [05:08:00] | MonMotha: | domination: it's possible that your TV wants dual link... |
| [05:08:00] | MonMotha: | mmead: that may be DVB land |
| [05:08:00] | MonMotha: | ATSC land (8VSB modulation) is 19.something |
| [05:08:00] | mmead: | MonMotha: I will mostly be picking up fox, abc, nbc, cbs, pbs in HD |
| [05:09:00] | mmead: | MonMotha: I just ordered one of the 1gen air2pc cards... |
| [05:09:00] | MonMotha: | after error correction and such. Raw channel bandwidth is higher, of course |
| [05:09:00] | MonMotha: | I get fox, abc, nbc, cbs, pbs and sometimes UPN |
| [05:09:00] | MonMotha: | with a better antenna, I could also get WB |
| [05:09:00] | splat1 is now known as splAt1 | |
| [05:10:00] | MonMotha: | PBS is the only one that always shows HD on their HD channel |
| [05:10:00] | mmead: | MonMotha: upn would have been nice for me to get, until they killed enterprise |
| [05:10:00] | mmead: | MonMotha: yeah, I bet there's a lot of upconverted sd |
| [05:10:00] | MonMotha: | it's mostly upconverted stuff |
| [05:10:00] | domination: | MonMotha, what is dual link? |
| [05:10:00] | MonMotha: | domination: DVI-Dual Link |
| [05:10:00] | MonMotha: | if you only have half the pins in your DVI cable, you have a single link |
| [05:11:00] | MonMotha: | though for 720p, that sould be sufficient |
| [05:11:00] | mmead: | my PJ is 800x600 native, so 720p is more than what I can display anyway |
| [05:11:00] | MonMotha: | mmead: ah, soy ou'll have to scale |
| [05:11:00] | diamon: | Eh, I was thinking that Enterprise:The Catfight had done itself in, really... It's the first one I had nearly no interest in seeing. |
| [05:11:00] | domination: | MonMotha, this setup has been working under winbloze xp, but only at 480p, for the past year. we formatted, and are trying to make it work |
| [05:11:00] | MonMotha: | well, try a 480p modeline to see if you can get that working |
| [05:12:00] | mmead: | diamon: it sucked pretty bad for the first two seasons, then it got reasonable – but trek needs a break |
| [05:12:00] | mmead: | MonMotha: yeah, pretty much everything I watch gets scaled |
| [05:12:00] | mmead: | MonMotha: thank god for xvideo |
| [05:13:00] | MonMotha: | heh, for HD I need XvMC (at least for 1080i, 720p I can do in software with normal Xv scaling) |
| [05:13:00] | diamon: | A loooooong break. |
| [05:13:00] | mmead: | diamon: I'd like to watch BG or Firefly, but just don't have the time to get into them |
| [05:14:00] | diamon: | Oddly, (while you mention xvmc) I can't seem to use xvmc as an option for playing DVD's, but for watching videos it's fine... |
| [05:14:00] | MonMotha: | I'm a big fan of 720p, mostly because that's the native mode of my DLP, and I can display it natively on my LCD by letterboxing it |
| [05:14:00] | mmead: | diamon: same thing that happened to me with B5 – didn't start from the beginning |
| [05:14:00] | diamon: | Mmm, firefly... Joss Whedon is my new master. |
| [05:14:00] | MonMotha: | well, remember, for watching DVDs, MythTV just calls mplayer |
| [05:14:00] | diamon: | I can't WAIT for the movie. |
| [05:14:00] | diamon: | MonMotha: Yeah, I'm still futzing with it. |
| [05:14:00] | mmead: | diamon: yeah, I hope I can expect to watch/understand it without having watched the show |
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| [05:15:00] | mmead: | do you guys use nfs for streaming shows or do you use tcp port 6543 to the backend? |
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| [05:15:00] | diamon: | mmead: There's a lot of good story detail that will make the movie better I'm sure. |
| [05:15:00] | diamon: | I bought the box set. :) Wasn't too pricey even! |
| [05:16:00] | mmead: | maybe if I use nfs to stream the shows from backend to frontend it will perform batter |
| [05:16:00] | mmead: | or better, e ven |
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| [05:23:00] | mmead: | diamon: thanks for the advice ... maybe nfs will work – gg for now |
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| [05:31:00] | Russ: | is there any way to manually toggle my DTR line to test my homebrew transmitter? |
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| [05:37:00] | diamon: | Most likely, but I don't know how offhand. |
| [05:37:00] | diamon: | I suppose worst-case you could write a program to do it. |
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| [06:03:00] | Russ: | hmmm |
| [06:03:00] | Russ: | well, I get a 1v drop across my diode when DTR is on |
| [06:03:00] | Russ: | and nothing when DTR is off |
| [06:03:00] | Russ: | but mode2 shows nothing when I try to transmit codes |
| [06:03:00] | Russ: | (mode2 does receive codes from remotes, I've tested that) |
| [06:06:00] | Russ: | maybe my diode is bad, its from a really old remote |
| [06:08:00] | Russ: | hmmm |
| [06:08:00] | Russ: | when I toggle dtr, I see cd flash off then back on |
| [06:09:00] | Russ: | shouldn't cd stay off when dtr is on? |
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| [06:18:00] | defaultro: | mchou!!! |
| [06:18:00] | defaultro: | dopester!!! |
| [06:18:00] | defaultro: | saw an email from linuxdvb from mac michaels |
| [06:18:00] | defaultro: | *5) Add support for the FusionHDTV 5 Gold |
| [06:19:00] | defaultro: | *6) Add support for the FusionHDTV 5 Lite. |
| [06:19:00] | defaultro: | badabing!!! |
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| [06:27:00] | defaultro: | btw, what is the difference between qam64 and 256? |
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| [06:28:00] | abarbaccia: | hey all – hows it goin tonight |
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| [06:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: basically qam64 is a less "compressed" modulation of the signal than qam256. 256 allows you to fit more data but is much more susceptible to noise on the plant |
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| [06:52:00] | Atamido: | Plant? |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | defaultro: lol! |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | defaultro: you are getting way too excitable. |
| [06:54:00] | mchou: | calm down, take a deep breath. |
| [06:55:00] | mchou: | defaultro: better yet go spend cash on one of the fusions :) |
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| [06:55:00] | mchou: | and let us know how it works :) |
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| [06:59:00] | MonMotha: | the analogy to PSK is BPSK vs. QPSK vs. 8PSK |
| [07:00:00] | MonMotha: | you either use 2 phases, 4, or 8 |
| [07:00:00] | Atamido: | I've never understood the progression of the encoding methods, what benefits each has. |
| [07:00:00] | MonMotha: | more phases for signalling increases your overall bitrate for a given symbol rate (since more symbols are used), but makes it so that the difference between each symbol is harder to figure out by the demodulator in noisy environments |
| [07:01:00] | MonMotha: | I'm not nearly as well versed on QAM, but the idea is similar |
| [07:01:00] | MonMotha: | I believe QAM uses both amplitude and phase to convey info |
| [07:01:00] | MonMotha: | would make sense from the name |
| [07:01:00] | Atamido: | o_O |
| [07:02:00] | MonMotha: | now if I could just figure out why my PVR-150 isn't grabbing audio from one channel (only). I'm guessing some sort of SAP nonsense |
| [07:02:00] | ** Atamido pretends to understand. ** | |
| [07:02:00] | Atamido: | MonMotha: Which channel? |
| [07:02:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: discovery |
| [07:02:00] | Atamido: | And what is SAP? |
| [07:02:00] | MonMotha: | my bttv grabs it fine |
| [07:02:00] | MonMotha: | secondary audio program |
| [07:02:00] | Atamido: | What channel number? |
| [07:02:00] | MonMotha: | 33, cable |
| [07:03:00] | MonMotha: | 32 and 34 work |
| [07:03:00] | MonMotha: | it used to work also |
| [07:03:00] | Atamido: | I could go test real quick if you like. |
| [07:03:00] | Atamido: | Ah well... |
| [07:03:00] | MonMotha: | they're showing a special, so they may be doing something silly |
| [07:05:00] | MonMotha: | what's the keyboard hotkey to do audio changing? |
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| [07:06:00] | vegeetz2: | I am having a problem, I was using mythtv back at home and it worked great, i brought it my other place and now i dont get any channels |
| [07:06:00] | MonMotha: | hum, + doesn't list any alternates... |
| [07:07:00] | Atamido: | + |
| [07:07:00] | Atamido: | Gah, you beat me. |
| [07:07:00] | vegeetz2: | Can anyone help me? |
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| [07:21:00] | vegeetz2: | Can anyone help? |
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| [07:56:00] | laga: | vegeetz2: no |
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| [08:01:00] | Russ: | whatever happened to tvtome.com? It's been replaced by some crappy, canned, tv.com site |
| [08:03:00] | fatmatt: | they got bought out |
| [08:03:00] | fatmatt: | something about it on slashdot a while ago |
| [08:03:00] | mchou: | sigh.... |
| [08:05:00] | Russ: | sellouts |
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| [08:14:00] | vegeetz2: | okay |
| [08:14:00] | vegeetz2: | when i try to watch tv in mythtv it always freezes |
| [08:14:00] | vegeetz2: | and says cannot display |
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| [08:22:00] | MonMotha: | gah, I hate having to manually duplex things |
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| [08:24:00] | arrummzen__: | Do any of you use the cx88xx driver with a haupage tv tunner card? |
| [08:26:00] | arrummzen__: | All I get is grey purple and green... |
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| [08:28:00] | vegeetz2: | nm i got it |
| [08:28:00] | vegeetz2: | anyone here use nvidia svideou out? |
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| [08:29:00] | fatmatt: | me |
| [08:29:00] | fatmatt: | ahh, no, not anymore |
| [08:37:00] | adante: | me |
| [08:38:00] | therealgalen: | ok i was here earlier getting thrashed by people about my raid hopes... now i'm curious if anybody uses promise raid controllers under linux/myth tv |
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| [09:03:00] | Russ: | haha |
| [09:04:00] | Russ: | promise raid controllers |
| [09:04:00] | Russ: | why would you ever use one? |
| [09:04:00] | Russ: | its just software raid |
| [09:04:00] | Russ: | might as well use normal software raid instead |
| [09:07:00] | therealgalen: | russ: that's what someone else reported to me a few minutes ago |
| [09:07:00] | therealgalen: | (in another channel) |
| [09:07:00] | therealgalen: | Now I'm trying to figure out what are *real* hardware RAIDs |
| [09:07:00] | therealgalen: | I'm open for suggestions.... |
| [09:08:00] | therealgalen: | Looking at HighPoint RocketRAID |
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| [09:13:00] | Russ: | if its expensive, its probably real |
| [09:13:00] | Russ: | imho, if its ide, why not just do software raid? |
| [09:15:00] | therealgalen: | I want to use this box to stash files other than hdtv stuff, and hence reliability is important, and software raids are, well, worrisome to me |
| [09:15:00] | therealgalen: | oops, i mess up my kernel which induces a problem that ends up destroying my raid... |
| [09:15:00] | therealgalen: | I'm currently eyeing up something like http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/rr1820a.htm |
| [09:16:00] | therealgalen: | Or I decide I want to dual-boot to another OS or something weird like that |
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| [09:17:00] | therealgalen: | And I'd rather not have my CPU being eaten for RAID 5 checksumming when recording HDTV and watching a saved show at the same time |
| [09:17:00] | Russ: | and why would a hardware raid device save you from kernel corruption of data? |
| [09:17:00] | Russ: | I think you are looking for backups |
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| [09:18:00] | DanielHolth: | Battle Hamburger! |
| [09:19:00] | therealgalen: | At least it would reduce the complexity, because if there's a kernel data corruption bug for a standard filesystem, basically everybody is in serious trouble. But RAID 5 is a bit more obscure |
| [09:19:00] | DanielHolth: | Latest mythtv is great. I have noticed some jitter when running the frontend over wlan though. |
| [09:19:00] | DanielHolth: | perhaps better buffering would help. |
| [09:19:00] | DanielHolth: | there is an option no? |
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| [09:21:00] | therealgalen: | and hardware hot-swappability without the OS even knowing would be nice |
| [09:21:00] | therealgalen: | not for the purpose of amusement, but because I'm so sick of losing drives and having to re-organize all my data every time |
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| [09:28:00] | MonMotha: | therealgalen: there are a fair number of people running linux software RAID 5 |
| [09:29:00] | MonMotha: | if you don't try to kill it, it probably won't die |
| [09:29:00] | MonMotha: | I did some rather stupid things to a RAID 5 array of mine and never lost it |
| [09:29:00] | therealgalen: | monmotha: yeah, i'm aware, but i'd really like the most solid solution possible. i think i've found some true hardware raid cards for $~100 |
| [09:30:00] | MonMotha: | that'll do RAID 5? wow...that's dirt cheap |
| [09:30:00] | MonMotha: | what kind of throughput can they handle in level 5? |
| [09:30:00] | therealgalen: | I'm double-checking that they're 100% hardware and searching for reviews/benchmarks |
| [09:31:00] | therealgalen: | In particular, I'm looking at the RocketRAID 1542, 1640, and 1820A which you can see at http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/rr1542.htm |
| [09:32:00] | MonMotha: | highpoint makes real RAID devices? |
| [09:33:00] | therealgalen: | 1640 = $94 shipped, 1542 = $106 shipped, 1820A $206 shipped |
| [09:33:00] | therealgalen: | I was just talking to someone with an 1820A, and I think the answer is yes. I'm trying to check. The price is certainly right. |
| [09:35:00] | therealgalen: | I wish there was a "All Linux Reviews" site or something |
| [09:36:00] | therealgalen: | the 1820A is a 64-bit PCI-X 8-channel SATA card |
| [09:39:00] | mchou: | screw it. highpoint is not known for reliability :) |
| [09:40:00] | mchou: | you want raid go to a surplus shop and get raid card |
| [09:40:00] | mchou: | they can be had for cheap there. |
| [09:40:00] | mchou: | but then you'd have to use SCSI :) |
| [09:41:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: where do you find that highpoint is not good for reliability? |
| [09:41:00] | mchou: | dude, I used to work in the industry. |
| [09:41:00] | therealgalen: | I'm curious.... |
| [09:41:00] | therealgalen: | But highpoint controllers are *real* hardware RAIDs, right? |
| [09:42:00] | mchou: | I used to work on high availability of hp. <5 min of downtime/yr. |
| [09:42:00] | MonMotha: | therealgalen: not in general |
| [09:42:00] | therealgalen: | I wish there was an easy way to tell what's a real RAID and what's not.... |
| [09:43:00] | mchou: | I question why you of all people would even need raid :) |
| [09:43:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: let's not go there :) |
| [09:43:00] | mchou: | like have a mirror of /home and you are done :) |
| [09:43:00] | mchou: | maybe /etc..... |
| [09:44:00] | mchou: | but everything else is not mission critical. |
| [09:45:00] | mchou: | you are the guy worried about saving $50 on a video card but want to use HW raid :) |
| [09:45:00] | mchou: | makes no sense at all. |
| [09:46:00] | therealgalen: | OK, here's how I look at it: why spend $50 when it's not going to give you any significant benefit? I know I'm brutal, but I'm willing to spend where it gets me benefit. But I do everything I can to drive it as low as possible... |
| [09:46:00] | mchou: | brutal?? more like foolish. |
| [09:46:00] | therealgalen: | the purpose here is a reliable drive for mythtv and so I can dump really big backups onto it from time to time, and know they're gonna BE there next year |
| [09:46:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [09:47:00] | mchou: | and why do you need a reliable myth drive? |
| [09:47:00] | mchou: | ever heard of reruns? |
| [09:47:00] | therealgalen: | Why not? By the time I have a sufficiently large drive for backups, I can just add a bit more on and have myth covered |
| [09:47:00] | mchou: | if I lost all y recordings right now it would be no big deal. |
| [09:47:00] | therealgalen: | It gives tangible value |
| [09:47:00] | mchou: | my* |
| [09:48:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [09:48:00] | therealgalen: | Maybe for you, but I do have some intentions to hold onto my data. I'm sick of continually having "less valuable" data go bye-bye with my drives. |
| [09:48:00] | mchou: | I have approximately 750GB of myth recordings right now. Sure hate to back that up :) |
| [09:49:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: look on this page: http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/category/IOA000 |
| [09:49:00] | therealgalen: | On the other hand, I see very little value in a video card other than to provide reasonable quality video out. I do not care how fast it is so long as it functions for HDTV. That's why I want to push it as low as possible without losing functionality. |
| [09:49:00] | mchou: | scroll down to raid. |
| [09:49:00] | mchou: | there are good deals to be had there. |
| [09:49:00] | therealgalen: | I'm not playing games on this machine, so a few more FPS adds nothing |
| [09:49:00] | therealgalen: | Loading the URL |
| [09:51:00] | therealgalen: | i tend to push things as low as possible, then decide from there. I'm going to go with a 6600 AGP at least, that's all I can say for now. |
| [09:51:00] | mchou: | yeah, whatever. |
| [09:51:00] | therealgalen: | Well, SCSI is probably not the best thing. I still have nightmares of terminators and the SCSI on old Macs... |
| [09:51:00] | therealgalen: | But there are a few other interesting things |
| [09:53:00] | mchou: | dont even think of getting the ide raids on that page. All SW. |
| [09:53:00] | therealgalen: | That's what I've just concluded after checking into them. |
| [09:54:00] | mchou: | I just dont think you need raid at all. |
| [09:55:00] | mchou: | and you havent convinced me otherwise. |
| [09:55:00] | mchou: | but it's your money. |
| [09:55:00] | therealgalen: | Hmmmm then where am I supposed to securely store hundreds of GBs of data? |
| [09:55:00] | mchou: | I doubt you have that much mission critical data :) |
| [09:56:00] | mchou: | all the data you have can be regenerated by reruns :) |
| [09:57:00] | therealgalen: | Ummmmm no. I have a 2.2 GB microdrive on my digital camera and I can fill it in a day of shooting easily. And this is work that I cannot get rid of until the project is completely done with my client, which could be a very long time. |
| [09:57:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [09:58:00] | mchou: | 2.2 GB all the sudden becomes >100GB?? |
| [09:58:00] | mchou: | improve your workflow man :) |
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| [09:58:00] | therealgalen: | Hold up though |
| [09:58:00] | therealgalen: | Those are RAW files |
| [09:58:00] | mchou: | so? |
| [09:58:00] | therealgalen: | Then I edit them, and even with JPEG 2000 lossless (the smallest file size around) the files grow in side |
| [09:58:00] | therealgalen: | And often, I end up with a number of layers and edit in 16 bit |
| [09:58:00] | mchou: | haha. |
| [09:59:00] | therealgalen: | So I end up with mountains of data |
| [09:59:00] | mchou: | so like I said improve yourworkflow. |
| [09:59:00] | mchou: | and it's not as if the workflow could not be replicated via macros :) |
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| [10:00:00] | therealgalen: | There's no way to improve it. I can delete unnecessary files, but I *have* to keep the RAW files, along with non-RAW version because I can often put quite a bit of work into manipulating the image. |
| [10:01:00] | mchou: | I think you're just coming up with silly strawmen. |
| [10:01:00] | therealgalen: | And no, what I do cannot be replaced with a macro. |
| [10:01:00] | therealgalen: | We have yet to touch on the video projects.... |
| [10:01:00] | mchou: | so, back up the 2.2 GB raw files. I never said throw those away. |
| [10:02:00] | therealgalen: | I want to be able to stick them in one large repository that's going to be secure. Sure, I burn discs off as well, but they're a major pain. |
| [10:04:00] | therealgalen: | As well as I want a very secure place to backup my entire laptop, I've had things happen whereby my laptop and backup failed at the same time. |
| [10:04:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [10:04:00] | therealgalen: | It just adds up, photos here, video there, 80 GB laptop..... |
| [10:04:00] | mchou: | so? buy anothe HD for the laptop. |
| [10:05:00] | mchou: | what's the big deal? |
| [10:05:00] | therealgalen: | For IN the laptop, or outside it? There's no more space in the laptop, and I'm sick of hauling around piles of junk |
| [10:05:00] | mchou: | in the laptop. |
| [10:06:00] | therealgalen: | And in the laptop would not protect against theft either. |
| [10:06:00] | mchou: | or ouside like firewire. your choice. |
| [10:07:00] | therealgalen: | I have that sort of thing. But I've had that fail just a few days after the laptop drive failed. |
| [10:07:00] | mchou: | they you must be hit by lighting many times too :) |
| [10:07:00] | mchou: | lightning* |
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| [10:08:00] | therealgalen: | Look, you can believe me or not, but a RAID is important to me, there are numerous points of failure and I want to give myself maximum protection for my data. But I don't care about the video card on the system so long as it performs the intended function. I don't lose anything except a week or two of video watching if the card fails or underperforms. I lose a lot more if a hard drive or RAID fails. |
| [10:08:00] | mchou: | I dont understand why you'd want to store valuable data on a laptop anyways. |
| [10:09:00] | steven_h: | Hi, I'm ussing a saa7134-based tuenr card and it's IR control. Most stuff works OK, except scrolling in mytmusic (and other menus) is really jerky – how can I fix this? |
| [10:09:00] | mchou: | all that crap should be on the file server somewhere. |
| [10:09:00] | therealgalen: | Ummmm I don't know about you, but data is only useful if you can access it. And I'm always working on the run. |
| [10:09:00] | mchou: | haha!! |
| [10:09:00] | therealgalen: | Right. On the file server. And my myth box will be my file server. |
| [10:10:00] | mchou: | that's not goona help if you lose the laptop on the run. |
| [10:10:00] | mchou: | so my point stands. |
| [10:10:00] | therealgalen: | No, but if I back up each night, I lose at most 24 hours of work. |
| [10:10:00] | mchou: | you backup each night? |
| [10:10:00] | mchou: | or you transfer files each night? |
| [10:11:00] | mchou: | big differnce. |
| [10:11:00] | therealgalen: | Not usually backup every night, but if I feel like I have a ton of stuff that I've done, yes. As for transferring files, that is as-needed. I may move 20 GB one night, then nothing for the next 2 weeks. |
| [10:12:00] | mchou: | anyway, I think you are still daft. |
| [10:12:00] | therealgalen: | Well, you're certainly direct.... |
| [10:13:00] | mchou: | you transfer files from My Documents and you should be done. |
| [10:13:00] | therealgalen: | Umm no |
| [10:13:00] | mchou: | why the hell would you need back up the whole system? |
| [10:14:00] | therealgalen: | Um, I just restore onto the drive after a failure and I'm back up and running in the same amount of time it takes to transfer and not a moment more? |
| [10:14:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [10:14:00] | mchou: | that's rich. |
| [10:15:00] | mchou: | how about all the time you spent backing up the whole system? |
| [10:15:00] | therealgalen: | Um, I just plug it in and click "go" – basically rsync |
| [10:15:00] | mchou: | like once every wk? |
| [10:15:00] | therealgalen: | and i sleep |
| [10:16:00] | therealgalen: | something like that, but more if i'm doing lots of weird stuff i don't want to repeat |
| [10:16:00] | mchou: | hehe. |
| [10:16:00] | therealgalen: | And realize, I have stuff everywhere on the machine. I run a full web staging environment on the laptop (PHP, Apache, MySQL) with over 1 GB of MySQL tables. |
| [10:16:00] | mchou: | any how do you know you backups actually work? |
| [10:16:00] | mchou: | your* |
| [10:17:00] | therealgalen: | Ummm I've restored from them before. I've even tested booting from them directly.... |
| [10:17:00] | mchou: | haha. that's rich |
| [10:17:00] | therealgalen: | though the booting directly only works when i have the drive dedicated to backup, as opposed to writing to a disk image |
| [10:18:00] | mchou: | my point is you had to spend all that time backing up and verifying the backups. |
| [10:18:00] | therealgalen: | Um, I hit backup and that was it. Want to check it? Just reboot and hold down option.... takes 2 minutes |
| [10:18:00] | mchou: | it's hardly like you say "restore and be done with it" |
| [10:19:00] | therealgalen: | Actually it is. Have you ever used OS X and apps like superduper and carbon copy cloner? |
| [10:19:00] | therealgalen: | I've restored dozens of systems with them |
| [10:19:00] | mchou: | haha. dont make me laugh. |
| [10:19:00] | therealgalen: | perfect down to the permissions and user accounts |
| [10:20:00] | mchou: | that's hardly a real verification process. |
| [10:20:00] | therealgalen: | Would you feel better if I checksumed all the files? |
| [10:21:00] | mchou: | lol. that's not what I'm talking about. |
| [10:21:00] | therealgalen: | Or are you going to claim it has selectively modified my md5 binary to report the wrong values??? |
| [10:21:00] | mchou: | I'm saying restore verification from BARE METAL. |
| [10:21:00] | therealgalen: | Like a totally wiped drive? |
| [10:22:00] | therealgalen: | Or a dead drive? |
| [10:22:00] | mchou: | which is not just about "file integritry" |
| [10:22:00] | mchou: | integrity* |
| [10:23:00] | therealgalen: | When my last laptop drive died, I was booting off the external drive. It was all functioning perfectly, down to every last permission and user account, just like the moment I backed up the data. |
| [10:23:00] | therealgalen: | I don't know what else you are talking about... metadata, permissions, etc might count. |
| [10:24:00] | therealgalen: | look, i give up. you apparently know some stuff about x86 hardware that I do not (it's pretty much all powerpc with what i do), but you clearly don't understand me or my needs. it seems there are a lot of highly technical people who don't have a grasp of how "the rubber hits the road" for most of the population.... |
| [10:24:00] | mchou: | well, it's clear to me that you've never verified your backs. |
| [10:24:00] | mchou: | bacups. |
| [10:24:00] | mchou: | backups* |
| [10:25:00] | therealgalen: | how the heck would you verify a backup beyond ensuring that every checksum matched? and how much would it really matter beyond that? |
| [10:25:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [10:27:00] | mchou: | here: read the last paragraph on this page, courtesy of google: http://www.pcguide.com/care/bu/howVerification-c.html |
| [10:28:00] | Russ: | the other thing you have to watch out for is that you freeze the drive in time while you are doing a backup |
| [10:28:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: I want to know this... Have you verified that your system does not have any backdoors within it? I mean, really verified? We've all seen the compiler that compiles backdoors into its output... how do you REALLY know that's not going on with your system? Have you manually sorted through all the assembly and checked to see what everything does? |
| [10:29:00] | therealgalen: | Going 'round and 'round with the "have you really verified your backup" is just about as pointless.... |
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| [10:30:00] | mchou: | hardly. |
| [10:30:00] | Russ: | until you get screwed- |
| [10:30:00] | mchou: | exactly :) |
| [10:30:00] | Russ: | like, oops, while it was backing up, the data I wanted was being moved from a to b |
| [10:30:00] | Russ: | or, hey, look, my database is hopelessly corrupted |
| [10:30:00] | therealgalen: | i typically run the backup while i'm sleeping |
| [10:30:00] | MonMotha: | that's a different question entirely |
| [10:30:00] | therealgalen: | and nothing else is running |
| [10:31:00] | Russ: | oh, ok, now I feel safe |
| [10:31:00] | MonMotha: | that requires that your backup program understand a bit more about what's going on, so that it can (for example) lock files, or verify the structure of the backed up files |
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| [10:31:00] | Russ: | you just need to lock at the hardware or filesystem level |
| [10:32:00] | Russ: | most advanced filesystems let you do a snapshot on a live fs |
| [10:32:00] | mchou: | exactly. |
| [10:32:00] | therealgalen: | Look at tools like this: |
| [10:32:00] | therealgalen: | http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html |
| [10:32:00] | therealgalen: | http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperD . . . ription.html |
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| [10:33:00] | Russ: | wow, it can backup your computer at a scheculed time, EVEN IF YOU AREN"T LOGGED IN |
| [10:33:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [10:34:00] | mchou: | that's a nice "feature" |
| [10:34:00] | Russ: | I don't see anything about a snapshot |
| [10:34:00] | therealgalen: | russ: what a shocker, if you are in the sudoers file, you can get root and do stuff like that! |
| [10:35:00] | Russ: | not only that, but with both these systems, what happens if something bad (TM) happens after you leave, and then it backs up that bad thing to the spare drive? |
| [10:35:00] | therealgalen: | ummmmmm that's a risk you have to take |
| [10:35:00] | Russ: | therealgalen: did you see something about a snapshot? |
| [10:35:00] | MonMotha: | Russ: always a problem, you just keep going back with your backups until you get a good one |
| [10:36:00] | Russ: | ya, but I get the impression that both the backup systems he posted, it stores the new backup over the old one |
| [10:36:00] | mchou: | who knows :) |
| [10:37:00] | therealgalen: | You can save into disk images, or whatever you feel like, but they are not designed for incremental backups. |
| [10:37:00] | MonMotha: | ah, I try to go for incrementals then a new full backup montly, on new media |
| [10:37:00] | therealgalen: | There are other applications for that purpose |
| [10:37:00] | therealgalen: | Should we pull them out so you can give them your Stamp Of Approval(tm) |
| [10:37:00] | Russ: | I just don't understand why you'd pay money for things that already exist |
| [10:39:00] | therealgalen: | Both of these programs are free – not open source – but more or less free for the basic functions. |
| [10:39:00] | mchou: | or spend money unnecesarily :) |
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| [10:40:00] | therealgalen: | You're still bitter over the video card :) |
| [10:40:00] | Russ: | why do they have buy now links? |
| [10:40:00] | mchou: | hehe, I dunno, impulse? |
| [10:41:00] | therealgalen: | "Give SuperDuper a workout on your own system. Clone to your heart's content — for free. See what else is possible. When you're convinced that SuperDuper is a terrific solution — and a great value at $19.95 — you can register right from the application and start using its advanced features immediately!" |
| [10:41:00] | therealgalen: | See the expanded features they charge for. That and support. And you apparently don't understand the value to people who have no clue how to use even basic commands like cp and rsync. |
| [10:42:00] | Russ: | you do realize that there are already a myriad of backup packages that utilize cp and rsync, right? |
| [10:43:00] | mchou: | wow. what's the world come to: "The merger of Veritas Software and Symantec is complete" |
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| [10:43:00] | therealgalen: | Yep. And where are the pretty point-and-click clients for Mac OS X? |
| [10:43:00] | mchou: | that's gotta be bad for Veritas. |
| [10:43:00] | therealgalen: | (hint: there aren't any that match these for ease of use) |
| [10:43:00] | mchou: | haha!! |
| [10:43:00] | Russ: | they'd be for X |
| [10:45:00] | therealgalen: | Right. So let's teach the users how to open X11, download the source for the packages, meet any and all dependencies, compile them, then have to open X11 and launch the program as root every time they need to use this stuff. YEAH, that'll be easier than spending $20 for most people... |
| [10:45:00] | Russ: | too bad apple wasn't smart enough to be x compatable |
| [10:45:00] | therealgalen: | Oh, and don't forget, the resulting copy would not be bootable, and it would lose the HFS+ metadata |
| [10:45:00] | Russ: | now users need to pay for software instead of using existing software |
| [10:47:00] | therealgalen: | I wish there was better integration with X11, I totally agree. But still, the existing stuff would not be acceptable for backup tasks, due to HFS+ metadata/resource forks (though cp/rsync/etc handle the resource forks automatically now) and how the drives are setup for bootability. And X11 out of the box is so crude after you use the Mac OS X window server.... |
| [10:47:00] | Russ: | ummm |
| [10:47:00] | Russ: | have you ever heard of a toolkit? |
| [10:48:00] | therealgalen: | Yeah, that would do the trick. But then you have scads of toolkits... which gets included? |
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| [10:48:00] | Russ: | you mean your os can't handle depencancies transparently? |
| [10:49:00] | Russ: | teh suck |
| [10:49:00] | Russ: | why should a user have to worry about that? |
| [10:49:00] | therealgalen: | are you talking like a debian system to automatically satisfy dependencies via apt-get and such? |
| [10:49:00] | Russ: | I realize that fink exists |
| [10:50:00] | Russ: | but it isn't exactly stock |
| [10:50:00] | therealgalen: | Nope. They had darwinports included with pre-releases of 10.3, but they dropped it in the final versions. |
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| [10:52:00] | therealgalen: | Though it's quite easy to install fink if you have a clue as to what you're doing, most people don't. |
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| [10:55:00] | therealgalen: | Apple had to draw a line somewhere to avoid becoming yet another linux/*bsd distro |
| [10:56:00] | Russ: | lockin |
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| [12:55:00] | crash-x: | ist es moeglich das tv bild irgendwie uebers internet zu streamen? |
| [12:55:00] | crash-x: | bei 50kb/s upload |
| [12:55:00] | crash-x: | also das bild verkleinert zu senden oder so? |
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| [12:59:00] | ** stoffel does the happy dance ** | |
| [13:00:00] | ** Tommck takes pictures ** | |
| [13:00:00] | ** stoffel got the marvel-g400 tv working with 2.6 ** | |
| [13:02:00] | stoffel: | top is showing quite a high load although none of the process takes considerable amounts of cpu time, except a events/0 thread |
| [13:02:00] | Tommck: | what's the marvel-g400 tv? |
| [13:03:00] | stoffel: | an old card by matrox |
| [13:03:00] | stoffel: | a g400 with on-board tuner |
| [13:03:00] | Tommck: | oh... I thought it was old... why are you so happy? |
| [13:04:00] | stoffel: | b/c it's working with a newer kernel than 2.4.29 now |
| [13:04:00] | Tommck: | oh... and you don't have to buy a new card |
| [13:05:00] | stoffel: | right, i hate spending money only because some f.. driver doesn't work anymore while the h/w is still fine |
| [13:06:00] | Tommck: | ;) |
| [13:07:00] | stoffel: | i'm swabian who are said to be like the scotts, i don't spend money without a good reason |
| [13:07:00] | stoffel: | :) |
| [13:08:00] | Tommck: | ok :) |
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| [16:26:00] | sphing: | is anybody elses mythfilldatabase getting a 401? |
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| [16:26:00] | jonK: | i always get that |
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| [16:26:00] | sphing: | i didnt used to |
| [16:26:00] | jonK: | i think that it first tries an anonymous connection, and then tries one with an account |
| [16:27:00] | jonK: | but i really have no idea if that's the case |
| [16:27:00] | sphing: | well i get a 401 on the first one, then no response on the second attemt |
| [16:27:00] | jonK: | no response? |
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| [16:27:00] | jonK: | so you're not getting it to grab any data at all? |
| [16:27:00] | sphing: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response.... |
| [16:27:00] | sphing: | no |
| [16:27:00] | jonK: | im looking at the same line, |
| [16:28:00] | jonK: | but goes: |
| [16:28:00] | jonK: | resolving... |
| [16:28:00] | sphing: | i manually logged into labs.zap2it.com and it worked |
| [16:28:00] | jonK: | connecting ... connected |
| [16:28:00] | jonK: | request sent ... 401 |
| [16:28:00] | jonK: | connecting ... connected |
| [16:28:00] | jonK: | and awating response |
| [16:28:00] | jonK: | were it's sitting now |
| [16:29:00] | sphing: | http://pastebin.com/315572 |
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| [16:31:00] | jonK: | getting same response |
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| [16:32:00] | sphing: | ERROR 500: Internal Server Error |
| [16:32:00] | sphing: | i guess zap2it is fuxed |
| [16:33:00] | jonK: | wait — do make sure you're subscription has not expired, mine recently did and I got 500 errors, but was getting them quickly and for each station |
| [16:34:00] | jonK: | not like this where it's sitting doing nothing |
| [16:34:00] | sphing: | yea i just check |
| [16:34:00] | sphing: | Subscription Expires: 2005/09/09 |
| [16:37:00] | sphing: | so yours is hanging also? |
| [16:38:00] | jonK: | yes |
| [16:38:00] | jonK: | at the same place |
| [16:39:00] | sphing: | well alright i guess its zap2it |
| [16:41:00] | sphing: | its workig now |
| [16:42:00] | jonK: | any thoughts on what I can do about ghost images |
| [16:44:00] | sphing: | i have no idea what youre talking about |
| [16:45:00] | sphing: | so weird.. i downloaded a couple times, then said Authorization Failed |
| [16:46:00] | jonK: | sphing... on recordings, the picture quality |
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| [16:46:00] | jonK: | has a ghost like effect |
| [16:46:00] | jonK: | i see dead people |
| [16:46:00] | jonK: | jk |
| [16:47:00] | jonK: | but i do see a duplicate of the picture, |
| [16:47:00] | jonK: | so in a profile of a person speaking, i see their head, and a second, ghost-like image of their head a few inches to one side |
| [16:47:00] | sphing: | recording only, not live tv? |
| [16:48:00] | jonK: | assume in livetv as well, but would have to verify |
| [16:48:00] | sphing: | ... well if its not in livetv check the differences between recording profiles? |
| [16:49:00] | jonK: | always record on best quality |
| [16:49:00] | jonK: | i'm assuming it's a bleed through due to the signal split |
| [16:49:00] | sphing: | right well maybe livetv isnt recording on best.. |
| [16:50:00] | sphing: | i'm really sure why its happening, i'm saying try different things to figure out why |
| [16:51:00] | jonK: | I'm going to pull all the tuner cards but one, and run the cable straight from the wall to the backend, see if that gives better picture.... |
| [16:52:00] | sphing: | ah.. it could very well be the splitter |
| [16:52:00] | sphing: | didn't think about that |
| [16:52:00] | sphing: | i gotta got to class.. |
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| [16:56:00] | jonK: | I started with a single 1 --> 2 split |
| [16:56:00] | jonK: | with that i didn't seem to have a probelm |
| [16:57:00] | jonK: | it's when I went to 1-->4 |
| [16:57:00] | jonK: | First I used a cheap no-name $7.99 splitter |
| [16:57:00] | jonK: | then a $29 Monster brand 2GHZ passive split |
| [16:58:00] | jonK: | yesterday bought a $39 RCA amplified 1-->4 split |
| [16:58:00] | jonK: | still have ghost images problem |
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| [17:22:00] | lucas: | hey. I have my "default from mpeg2" transcoder set to transcode to Rtjpeg.. however when the transcode finishes, the file isn't smaller... |
| [17:22:00] | lucas: | its about 60mb per minute still. |
| [17:25:00] | kormoc|afk: | transcode to xvid or mpeg4? |
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| [17:33:00] | cyberknet: | morning kormoc |
| [17:34:00] | kormoc|afk: | mornin |
| [17:34:00] | cyberknet: | any love from the cards yet? |
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| [17:34:00] | kormoc|afk: | no more then before I'm frad to say |
| [17:34:00] | cyberknet: | any response from the mailing list to the init log? |
| [17:35:00] | kormoc|afk: | didn't get that far |
| [17:35:00] | cyberknet: | aha. |
| [17:35:00] | kormoc|afk: | got really sick thursday night |
| [17:35:00] | cyberknet: | that bites. from the sushi, yes? |
| [17:35:00] | kormoc|afk: | uni specifically |
| [17:35:00] | kormoc|afk: | evendently I'm somewhat allergic to it |
| [17:36:00] | cyberknet: | evidently. |
| [17:36:00] | cyberknet: | don't eat that again, hey? |
| [17:36:00] | kormoc|afk: | yeah... :P |
| [17:37:00] | do3mca: | uh |
| [17:37:00] | do3mca: | echan. |
| [17:37:00] | jonK: | I had sushi last night |
| [17:37:00] | jonK: | love the stuff |
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| [18:08:00] | cyberknet: | morning xris. |
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| [18:09:00] | xris: | morning |
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| [18:12:00] | purplefrog: | So, I'm trying to run this mythfrontend accessing the backend database across a VPN. Boy is it slow. |
| [18:13:00] | ** xris pokes kormoc|afk ** | |
| [18:14:00] | stoffel: | i once startet the frontend via a modem line. took 5–10 minutes just to display the main menu |
| [18:16:00] | xris: | stoffel: that was smart. |
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| [18:17:00] | stoffel: | very |
| [18:17:00] | purplefrog: | It's a little sad that the web interface is borderline usable, but the GUI is not. All I want to do is start transcoding on one show. |
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| [18:28:00] | Dibblah: | So... Fix it. |
| [18:29:00] | Randall64: | If you haven't upgraded to firefox 1.05 ... don't |
| [18:29:00] | purplefrog: | Too late. What did I break? |
| [18:30:00] | Randall64: | It spontaneously wipes out your profile. It's happened twice so far. |
| [18:31:00] | Randall64: | Downgrade or backup now. |
| [18:31:00] | purplefrog: | Ooo, that could sting. |
| [18:31:00] | Randall64: | It does have bookmark backups at least. |
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| [18:31:00] | ** Randall64 installs hfstar ** | |
| [18:31:00] | Randall64: | These backups are f'ing old. |
| [18:32:00] | purplefrog: | blargh, I'm backing up my cache :) |
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| [18:44:00] | hadees: | so whats the deal with all these pvr 150s that doesn't look the same |
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| [18:46:00] | cyberknet: | hadees: dunno. |
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| [18:54:00] | Randall64: | pimp! |
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| [19:26:00] | abarbaccia: | hello all – how are things today |
| [19:27:00] | Randall64: | rainy |
| [19:28:00] | abarbaccia: | yea, i hear a tstorm brewing just outside my house (NY) it's going to be intense |
| [19:28:00] | abarbaccia: | anybody know what debian sources are needed to install transcode and other divx stuff? |
| [19:29:00] | abarbaccia: | xvid |
| [19:36:00] | stoffel: | search for marillat |
| [19:42:00] | abarbaccia: | should i add them all (testing unstable and main)? |
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| [19:42:00] | stoffel: | either testing or unstable, whatever you want |
| [19:43:00] | abarbaccia: | i had a nerium source in there hwich i think was marillat |
| [19:43:00] | stoffel: | yeah, it is |
| [19:43:00] | abarbaccia: | but there were dep issues conflicting with ubuntu repositories – so i think i gotta add main as well |
| [19:43:00] | abarbaccia: | like libc6 |
| [19:43:00] | abarbaccia: | and others |
| [19:44:00] | abarbaccia: | which are probably found in the main, but the ubuntu ones were just slightly behind which threw it all off |
| [19:45:00] | abarbaccia: | does that sound reasonable? i mean, i'm no expert on repositories but that's my guess |
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| [19:50:00] | purplefrog: | I wonder why mythfrontend gets stuck in the rt_sigsuspend call (according to strace) . |
| [19:50:00] | Atamido: | Every now an again my MythFrontend just bails out to the desktop when I select Watch TV. |
| [19:52:00] | abarbaccia_away: | Atamido, without an error log our guess is as good as yours |
| [19:52:00] | Atamido: | Where would the error be placed? |
| [19:52:00] | kormoc: | purplefrog, evedently it seems like it was given a sugsuspend signal. |
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| [19:53:00] | abarbaccia: | Atamido, well, you could run mythfrontend from a terminal and see if it gives any output |
| [19:53:00] | Atamido: | Well, it only happens if it has been running for a few days. |
| [19:53:00] | Atamido: | Very random. |
| [19:53:00] | abarbaccia: | hurm – well, still, run it from a terminal and next time it does it – try and see what it says |
| [19:53:00] | purplefrog: | The front end eventually returns from the call and gets back to making really slow database queries against the settings table (the same queries it did every time I hit the arrow keys). |
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| [20:02:00] | Randall64: | woo, ram and pcmcia-pci thing |
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| [20:18:00] | Randall64: | Memory: 1.5 GB |
| [20:18:00] | Randall64: | woo |
| [20:19:00] | Randall64: | Asks me to open it in iPhoto 2 or 4 |
| [20:19:00] | Randall64: | woops |
| [20:20:00] | abarbaccia: | Randall64, at work i got 16GB in my system :) |
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| [20:20:00] | Randall64: | abarb: What do you do? |
| [20:21:00] | abarbaccia: | work for the govt with computers |
| [20:22:00] | ** xris wonders if he should mention the $230k rack in the other room. ** | |
| [20:23:00] | xris: | granted, it belongs to MIT and will be shipped out soon. |
| [20:23:00] | abarbaccia: | xris, you have no idea how much money is poured into servers with the govt |
| [20:23:00] | xris: | abarbaccia: oh, yes I do... we make some of them. |
| [20:23:00] | abarbaccia: | in my one little lab alone i would estimae in excess of 10 million |
| [20:23:00] | abarbaccia: | sweet – who do you work for |
| [20:23:00] | xris: | siliconmechanics.com |
| [20:23:00] | xris: | at least some of the MIT stuff goes to gov't stuff. |
| [20:23:00] | abarbaccia: | there arel ike 20 sun servers which cost about 40k a piece |
| [20:24:00] | abarbaccia: | yea – govt has a piece of everybodys pie |
| [20:24:00] | xris: | yeah. that particular rack is two full blade servers (at 70k apiece or something like that) and four 5u storage boxes with 24 400G drives apiece. |
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| [20:25:00] | abarbaccia: | its so funny seeing all this stuff and being like god damn – i need this in myhouse |
| [20:25:00] | xris: | heh |
| [20:25:00] | xris: | I don't want the power bill |
| [20:25:00] | abarbaccia: | for real |
| [20:25:00] | abarbaccia: | meter will be spinning so fast it might take off |
| [20:26:00] | xris: | wish I could take home my desktop here, though. intel gives us "confidential" (pre-release, not-to-leave-the-building) chips, so I have a 3.4G p4-M chip in my desktop here. plenty of spare procs since they're free to us, but no $$ to upgrade the system boards to support them. |
| [20:27:00] | xris: | like a small pile of xeon-MP procs... $3k apiece (when they were new)... but no way to use them since a quad-proc system is useless to us. |
| [20:28:00] | laga: | *drool* i've heard that those confidential cpus are not locked multiplier-wise. |
| [20:29:00] | xris: | laga: no clue there. |
| [20:29:00] | ** laga really needs to overclock something again.. ;) ** | |
| [20:29:00] | xris: | just know that I can't take one home. |
| [20:29:00] | laga: | :'/ |
| [20:31:00] | xris: | laga: yeah. oh well. |
| [20:31:00] | xris: | works nicely in my desktop. just wish I had a *use* for the power. |
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| [20:35:00] | laga: | xris: distcc works well over cable/dsl connections :> |
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| [20:37:00] | xris: | but not through firewalls |
| [20:39:00] | abarbaccia: | /nick abarbaccia_away |
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| [20:48:00] | xris: | ahh, beginning to see reasons why mythmusic is so slow... |
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| [20:49:00] | Chutt: | hmm? |
| [20:49:00] | xris: | looking at the database schema |
| [20:49:00] | xris: | lots of wasted space |
| [20:49:00] | Chutt: | that really just affects startup, though |
| [20:49:00] | xris: | ahh |
| [20:50:00] | xris: | so it pulls the whole thing into RAM? guess that's another reason it's slow. heh. |
| [20:50:00] | Chutt: | everything's loaded into ram, and it doesn't really hit the db unless it updates anything |
| [20:50:00] | Chutt: | but that only happens at startup |
| [20:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hrm, didn't someone (Gecko maybe?) recently start a new document on making themes for Myth ? |
| [20:50:00] | xris: | well, slow for large collections. |
| [20:50:00] | Chutt: | right, but even large collections shouldn't take _that_ long to preload everything |
| [20:51:00] | xris: | Chutt: not preload, but manipulate.. but like I said before, I haven't used it in a long time. |
| [20:51:00] | xris: | was unusable last time I tried, though. |
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| [20:51:00] | Chutt: | the db schema could certainly be improved |
| [20:51:00] | xris: | (been working with a script to handle organizing music files, and trying to come up with the best db storage method) |
| [20:51:00] | Chutt: | but that won't change how fast it runs, in general :p |
| [20:52:00] | xris: | yeah... not if it loads into RAM... |
| [20:53:00] | xris: | just need to find time to install and play with it again. mythvideo, too |
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| [20:53:00] | tuxick: | lo |
| [20:53:00] | tuxick: | looking for clues about setting up custom frequency tables |
| [20:53:00] | xris: | tuxick: only way I know how is to manually add channels via mythtvsetup. |
| [20:54:00] | tuxick: | the dialog doesn't mention frequencies |
| [20:54:00] | xris: | Chutt: guess it's just the optimization freak in me wanting to "fix" things that aren't really broken. heh. |
| [20:54:00] | tuxick: | i can't imagine it isn't documented anywhere |
| [20:54:00] | tuxick: | had same problem with freevo |
| [20:54:00] | Chutt: | the setup dialog certainly does mention frequencies |
| [20:55:00] | xris: | tuxick: easiest option is to find another user from your area who already has things working... |
| [20:55:00] | tuxick: | xris: i found several people who gave up |
| [20:55:00] | xris: | hmm |
| [20:55:00] | xris: | thought we had successful NL users. |
| [20:55:00] | tuxick: | assuming $world uses fixed frequency tables is a design flaw, imo |
| [20:56:00] | Chutt: | the very first google result for 'custom frequencies mythtv' gives you an answer |
| [20:56:00] | tuxick: | it was a pain with freevo too, but documented and doable |
| [20:56:00] | tuxick: | heh, i looked for "custom frequency table" |
| [20:56:00] | Chutt: | because you don't setup a table |
| [20:56:00] | Chutt: | since you don't have one |
| [20:57:00] | tuxick: | that's the problem, no? |
| [20:57:00] | Chutt: | no, it's not |
| [20:57:00] | tuxick: | since the software expects one |
| [20:57:00] | Chutt: | no, it doesn't |
| [20:57:00] | tuxick: | k |
| [20:58:00] | tuxick: | guh, this hit is best there is? |
| [20:58:00] | tuxick: | might be worth a little script then |
| [20:58:00] | Chutt: | the first paragraph tells you exactly what to do |
| [20:58:00] | tuxick: | in fact this is nicer than having to hack about in python or config files :) |
| [21:00:00] | tuxick: | in the mythtvsetup dialog i only see "frequency ID" |
| [21:00:00] | tuxick: | but nevermind, i'll work in mysql directly |
| [21:00:00] | xris: | tuxick: that's not what you're looking for? |
| [21:00:00] | Chutt: | it is what he's looking for |
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| [21:01:00] | tuxick: | frequency ID is like that S20 etc no? |
| [21:01:00] | tuxick: | that's that other mapping? |
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| [21:01:00] | Chutt: | it's both |
| [21:01:00] | tuxick: | for chello i needed real frequencies |
| [21:02:00] | tuxick: | with freevo anyway |
| [21:02:00] | tuxick: | i mean UPC, sorry |
| [21:02:00] | Chutt: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2004-August/050860.html |
| [21:02:00] | tuxick: | chello is just their internet branch |
| [21:02:00] | Chutt: | i just left the |
| [21:02:00] | Chutt: | 'external command' box blank and in the frequency id for the these channels |
| [21:02:00] | Chutt: | put in 64000 and 272000. |
| [21:02:00] | Chutt: | scary how accurate google is |
| [21:02:00] | tuxick: | yesyes, found that, will do |
| [21:03:00] | Chutt: | so what are you still babbling on about? |
| [21:03:00] | tuxick: | the mythtvsetup thing |
| [21:03:00] | Chutt: | that's describing mythtv setup |
| [21:04:00] | tuxick: | aah, blind me |
| [21:04:00] | tuxick: | i jumped straight to mysql prompt :) |
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| [21:13:00] | bannerboy_: | where can I find the mythtv mplayer patch? |
| [21:13:00] | kormoc: | google? |
| [21:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | mplayer patch? |
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| [21:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | oh for the nuv files |
| [21:13:00] | stoffel: | bannerboy_: http://sfr.dyndns.org/~sfr/mythtv/ |
| [21:14:00] | stoffel: | but i believe myth's nuv format changed since the patch was created, so ymmv |
| [21:14:00] | tuxick: | what is nuv? |
| [21:14:00] | bannerboy_: | nuppel video |
| [21:15:00] | tuxick: | heh, never heard of, prolly irrelevant then :) |
| [21:15:00] | bannerboy_: | mplayer won't play the mythtv nuv files natively |
| [21:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | tuxick: It's what recordings are stored in (assuming you don't have an mpeg/dvb/atsc card) |
| [21:15:00] | tuxick: | ah, unlike freevo then |
| [21:15:00] | tuxick: | rings a bell now |
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| [21:24:00] | torben: | hi |
| [21:29:00] | tuxick: | thing seems to be 'hanging' for over 10 minutes now |
| [21:29:00] | tuxick: | but i can wait |
| [21:32:00] | cyberknet: | Beirdo must be very busy today. |
| [21:37:00] | tuxick: | bah, tv_grab_nl is still broken |
| [21:42:00] | torben: | is it possible to install a dvb-t tuner in the frontend? (because it has ir and remote included) |
| [21:43:00] | stoffel: | that makes it a slave backend then, sure |
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| [21:45:00] | tuxick: | if i try to make it use tv_grab_nl_gert it complains "rabbing XMLTV data using tv_grab_nl_gert is not verified as working." |
| [21:45:00] | tuxick: | where does it get that info? i found only one occurrance of "tv_grab_nl" in mysqldump |
| [21:45:00] | iznogood: | Does anyone else experience problems controlling mplayer (with keyboard) when mythfrontend is started directly true gdm/xsession? |
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| [21:46:00] | iznogood: | as in, without any windows manager |
| [21:46:00] | iznogood: | s/windows/window |
| [21:46:00] | kormoc: | yup |
| [21:46:00] | kormoc: | it's called focus issues, which a WM is what deals with them |
| [21:47:00] | iznogood: | Can I do something about it? |
| [21:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | Man, the Project Mayhem theme is just gorgeous(imho) |
| [21:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | iznogood: Yeah, run a windowmanager :) |
| [21:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | any small/minimal one would do |
| [21:48:00] | iznogood: | Mythfrontend responds ok to keyboard input, shouldn't mythtv redirect keyboard input? |
| [21:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | no need for stuff like kde/gnome |
| [21:48:00] | iznogood: | (pipe it) |
| [21:48:00] | torben: | stoffel, would i still need a mythbackend then? i only have a mac mini and i believe there has been no backend coded for so far |
| [21:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | myth is not a window manager, it's up to that to deal with the focus |
| [21:49:00] | iznogood: | True, but myth does create the mplayer process. |
| [21:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | But in a proper windowed environment myth wont even get the key strokes destined for mplayer |
| [21:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's spawned and left to the window manager to handle |
| [21:50:00] | torben: | GreyFoxx, project mayhem for xbox mediacenter or is there a myth skin also? |
| [21:50:00] | iznogood: | That is possibly true, but IMHO mythtv should control it, this way only myth will get an universal interface |
| [21:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | torben: I'm looking at the xbmc theme |
| [21:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | iznogood: I don't see it as worth the effort, but either way, it is what it is. Use a window manager and avoid this issue, or don't and deal with it :) |
| [21:51:00] | iznogood: | Yes that is a way to put it |
| [21:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | torben: I bet it would be a nightmare to convert it |
| [21:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | We need a myththemeeditor gui app. That can import meedio/xbmc/whatever xml themes and convert them to something myth can use, or just make one from scratch |
| [21:53:00] | torben: | GreyFoxx, xbmc is so great..are you looking at the latest project mayhem theme (III)? i love how you can keep the movie/visualization running integrated seamlessly in the skin :) |
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| [21:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | torben: The one I'm looking at is 3 yeah. It's just pretty :) |
| [21:54:00] | stoffel: | torben: yes, you need a backend. you want to add the dvb-t card to the mac mini? |
| [21:58:00] | torben: | no, i want to get a via sp board for the frontend |
| [21:59:00] | torben: | best would be if i could make it a front and backend – but i don't want it to have any moving parts --> no harddrive |
| [22:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | easy enough |
| [22:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | diskless frontend/slave backend |
| [22:00:00] | torben: | so the mac mini as slave backend? |
| [22:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | You can said you wanted the "via sp board" to be both frontend and backend but with no harddrive.. No reason you can't do that |
| [22:02:00] | torben: | ah okay |
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| [22:02:00] | torben: | would that fit on a 512mb compact flash card? |
| [22:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | Easily |
| [22:02:00] | torben: | that would be really great! |
| [22:03:00] | mchou: | haha! This is rich. Bush promises to fire criminals from his administration. |
| [22:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | There is already a myth CF based distro out there for the epia boards I think which is only around 50 or so meg compressed |
| [22:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | torben: Or just netboot it, no need for the CF card either |
| [22:03:00] | torben: | yeah, i found that one – but it's just a frontend :/ |
| [22:03:00] | mchou: | By the time Rove gets convicted it will be 5 yrs later. |
| [22:03:00] | stoffel: | mchou: Bush resigns? |
| [22:03:00] | mchou: | stoffel: exactly :) |
| [22:04:00] | Chutt: | i believe someone's been told 'no politics' before. |
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| [22:08:00] | torben: | netboot would be fine also, but that again requires some backend on the mac mini, doesn't it? |
| [22:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | torben: So just to be clear, the mac mini is where you want the content stored, but there is no tuner in it ? |
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| [22:10:00] | torben: | exactly |
| [22:10:00] | torben: | just a samba share |
| [22:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | Then make the macmini just a frontend/mysql, and the other box netboots and nfs/whatever mounts the diskspace to store the recordings. So in effect the diskless box would be the backend |
| [22:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | Of course playing back on the macmini might well transfer the data to the diskless one, and then back down to mythfrontend on the macmini for playback which would be a waste |
| [22:12:00] | torben: | sure..i won't need a frontend on the mac mini |
| [22:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | ok, then just disklessboot + mount the mini for storage |
| [22:13:00] | ** GreyFoxx looks at the time and realizes he could have gone home 15 minutes ago. ack ** | |
| [22:14:00] | torben: | oh :) |
| [22:14:00] | stoffel: | GreyFoxx: actually not if the mini has a RecordFilePrefix entry in the settings table |
| [22:14:00] | stoffel: | then frontend would open the file directly afaik |
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| [22:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [22:15:00] | torben: | i didn't get that one |
| [22:18:00] | stoffel: | afaik a frontend will access the recordings directly if there is this RecordFilePrefix setting in the db for the host it's running on |
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| [22:18:00] | torben: | so i'd install the little minimyth frontend distribution that boots from net on a cf-card on the frontend..and how do i go on? it needs a backend somewhere? |
| [22:19:00] | torben: | the knoppmyth-dist (that has both front+backend) is too big for a compactflash-card |
| [22:22:00] | DanielHolth: | cf mythtv that sounds awesome |
| [22:22:00] | DanielHolth: | it's already compressed with cramfs or whatever isn't it. |
| [22:22:00] | DanielHolth: | you can get 1G cf cards. |
| [22:22:00] | DanielHolth: | right? |
| [22:22:00] | DanielHolth: | which cf card do you want to use? |
| [22:22:00] | DanielHolth: | the 256 meggers are cheaptastic. |
| [22:23:00] | torben: | i have one with 512mb |
| [22:23:00] | ** GeckoFiend put full Myth FE/BE on a 340MB CF ** | |
| [22:24:00] | torben: | oh really? |
| [22:24:00] | torben: | tell us more :) |
| [22:24:00] | GeckoFiend: | LFS + (knowing what was safe to delete) + cramfs |
| [22:25:00] | torben: | what was your base distro? |
| [22:25:00] | GeckoFiend: | LFS |
| [22:25:00] | torben: | that is? |
| [22:25:00] | GeckoFiend: | Linux From Scratch |
| [22:25:00] | torben: | oh :/ |
| [22:25:00] | torben: | sounds very geeky :( |
| [22:26:00] | GeckoFiend: | heh not for the feignt of heart |
| [22:26:00] | kormoc: | you start with a blank drive and build your own distro. |
| [22:26:00] | torben: | great that you can do that..i can't :) |
| [22:27:00] | laga: | it's easy, nothing but copy & paste ;) |
| [22:27:00] | torben: | oh, i can do that :) |
| [22:27:00] | GeckoFiend: | torben heh gop to the LFS website and follow along |
| [22:28:00] | GeckoFiend: | just make sure to use the development version if you have a fairly up to date host system. |
| [22:28:00] | DanielHolth: | hey there does anyone know if there are caveats in moving + symlinking surplus video to another drive? |
| [22:28:00] | torben: | i'll have a look at that |
| [22:28:00] | GeckoFiend: | DanielHolth just make sure to tell myth to follow symlinks when deleting files |
| [22:29:00] | DanielHolth: | ah neat |
| [22:29:00] | DanielHolth: | that's in the frontend isn't it. |
| [22:29:00] | GeckoFiend: | Couldn't tell you off hand |
| [22:29:00] | GeckoFiend: | I'd guess it's in the backend settings since the backend deletes the files |
| [22:31:00] | DanielHolth: | Sweet now 48 GB later I'll have free space on my / |
| [22:31:00] | torben: | GeckoFiend, do you use debian unstable packages then? |
| [22:32:00] | DanielHolth: | I had to recompile the mythtv .deb for ubuntu |
| [22:32:00] | DanielHolth: | but it wasn't too bad |
| [22:32:00] | torben: | ubuntu would be too big for me, it won't fit on 512mb |
| [22:32:00] | GeckoFiend: | torben heh I don't use debian |
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| [22:34:00] | DanielHolth: | torben I bet you could remaster the cd without the backend and some other things and get it small enough. |
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| [22:34:00] | DanielHolth: | it would be so easy even a chicken could do it! just teach it where to peck! |
| [22:34:00] | DanielHolth: | ;-) |
| [22:35:00] | DanielHolth: | (they used to say this about the debian installer) |
| [22:35:00] | DanielHolth: | how much bigger is it than it needs be? |
| [22:36:00] | torben: | when i install ubuntu on a laptop it needs about 5 gigs – i only have 512mb |
| [22:36:00] | tuxick: | heh |
| [22:37:00] | DanielHolth: | knoppmyth is debian not ubuntu |
| [22:37:00] | DanielHolth: | it's different. |
| [22:37:00] | torben: | DanielHolth, i need the backend |
| [22:38:00] | DanielHolth: | oh |
| [22:38:00] | DanielHolth: | on a cf card? |
| [22:38:00] | DanielHolth: | weird |
| [22:38:00] | DanielHolth: | how does it work? |
| [22:38:00] | DanielHolth: | you want to send the files over nfs |
| [22:38:00] | DanielHolth: | + |
| [22:38:00] | DanielHolth: | ? |
| [22:38:00] | torben: | yep |
| [22:38:00] | kormoc: | torben, just use a small linux distro |
| [22:38:00] | DanielHolth: | You would probably have a happier time doing nfsroot or even a PXE boot where you would need zero files on the device. |
| [22:38:00] | kormoc: | and add myth to it |
| [22:38:00] | DanielHolth: | if you are already hooked up to limitless fast storage elsewhere. |
| [22:39:00] | DanielHolth: | forget cf, just set up a dhcp server that points to other servers etc etc and the entire OS travels over the little copper wires we like to call "ethernet" |
| [22:39:00] | ** laga still wants to use LTSP for a diskless frontend (and backend) ** | |
| [22:39:00] | DanielHolth: | it's not wireless is it? |
| [22:39:00] | DanielHolth: | LTSP is the bomb yeah. |
| [22:39:00] | DanielHolth: | very cool |
| [22:40:00] | laga: | yep |
| [22:40:00] | laga: | but i was having problems with the package.def files |
| [22:40:00] | laga: | and i'm short on time, lately |
| [22:40:00] | DanielHolth: | If you still want to use your CF investment just figure out how to mount the root with an ultra tiny small cf loader. |
| [22:41:00] | torben: | no, its wired..but i really don't understand how that's gonna work..so i put some linuxdistro-image where my other files are stored and the frontend can boot that image? although its just a sambashare from osx? |
| [22:41:00] | DanielHolth: | basically. |
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| [22:42:00] | DanielHolth: | the system's firmware will be able to load a Linux kernel & initial ramdisk from the network. You have to set up a special dhcp server and tftp server for this. |
| [22:42:00] | DanielHolth: | then the initial ramdisk can mount the share. |
| [22:42:00] | DanielHolth: | never heard of root on samba though. that might be different. |
| [22:43:00] | torben: | i have a wireless dsl router that does those dhcp things :/ |
| [22:43:00] | DanielHolth: | usually it's over nfs. |
| [22:43:00] | kormoc: | tomimo, you can disable that and setup your own dhcp server |
| [22:43:00] | DanielHolth: | if you don't want a special dhcp server then you just put the linux + initial ramdisk on your CF card. Less than 8 MB probably. |
| [22:43:00] | DanielHolth: | then teach the initial ramdisk to load everything else from your limitless networked storage. |
| [22:44:00] | DanielHolth: | it is a pain. but it might be better for you than fitting everything on limited cf. |
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| [22:44:00] | torben: | first i should teach myself how to do all those things ;) |
| [22:44:00] | DanielHolth: | plus once you get it going you can plug in any machine into the network and it automatically assimilates into another mythtv frontend :) |
| [22:44:00] | torben: | hehe |
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| [22:45:00] | DanielHolth: | I have had a blast with my laptop as a frontend. |
| [22:45:00] | DanielHolth: | no netbooting but hey. |
| [22:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | yo! |
| [22:45:00] | DanielHolth: | wish it was a tablet even. |
| [22:45:00] | DanielHolth: | wifi etc. |
| [22:45:00] | DanielHolth: | yo mrspiffy! |
| [22:45:00] | torben: | yo |
| [22:45:00] | DanielHolth: | where's MrsSpiffy? |
| [22:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | DanielHolth, tablet pc as a myth frontend = cool |
| [22:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | she's at work |
| [22:46:00] | DanielHolth: | was in the sony store the other day they have little portable video monitors, extremely cool. |
| [22:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | I, however am out of work so I'm hanging out on irc |
| [22:46:00] | DanielHolth: | irc yeah you know me |
| [22:46:00] | torben: | i'm burning the lfs live cd right now..maybe i can get that to work |
| [22:46:00] | DanielHolth: | hope so |
| [22:46:00] | DanielHolth: | must have 320 GB of star trek and iron chef america! |
| [22:46:00] | DanielHolth: | Battle Hamburger! |
| [22:46:00] | torben: | it would be nice if i could e.g. watch dvd's or surf the web without the mac mini running |
| [22:47:00] | DanielHolth: | torben the mac mini is your cf machine? |
| [22:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | DanielHolth, I just finished a new server for my house – backend – raid 5 4x120 = 360G |
| [22:47:00] | DanielHolth: | which is your backend? |
| [22:47:00] | DanielHolth: | MrSpiffy that's spiffy. |
| [22:47:00] | DanielHolth: | you recording hi-def? |
| [22:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | yeah – very spiify |
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| [22:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | 360G for lots of tv – just finished transcoding death to smoochy |
| [22:47:00] | DanielHolth: | does Mrs control the DVR as told on Slashdot? |
| [22:48:00] | DanielHolth: | ah |
| [22:48:00] | DanielHolth: | IN SOVIET RUSSIA THE DVR CONTROLS YOU!!! |
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| [22:48:00] | mmead: | diamon: well, going to nfs for accessing the shows has made a significant difference |
| [22:48:00] | DanielHolth: | is it fast? |
| [22:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | DanielHolth, in my house the tv is nothing but reality shit all day and all night |
| [22:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | so yes. |
| [22:48:00] | DanielHolth: | haha |
| [22:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | raid 5 is puh-lenty fast. |
| [22:49:00] | DanielHolth: | Next up on U-62: the volcano worshppers hour! |
| [22:49:00] | torben: | DanielHolth, noo the mac mini has plenty of hdd-space attached via firewire |
| [22:49:00] | DanielHolth: | neat |
| [22:49:00] | MrSpiffy: | I used an inexpensive highpoint 464 card and inexpensive 7200 rpm ata drives |
| [22:49:00] | torben: | thats where my media goes |
| [22:49:00] | DanielHolth: | torben I'm impressed. probably if one of six machines dies the whole thing falls apart? |
| [22:49:00] | MrSpiffy: | now all I need is a frontend with tv out |
| [22:49:00] | DanielHolth: | mrspiffy definitely get one that can send actual fields. |
| [22:50:00] | DanielHolth: | it looks way better. |
| [22:50:00] | MrSpiffy: | thanks for the tip |
| [22:50:00] | MrSpiffy: | the cost of building one is what's killing me |
| [22:50:00] | MrSpiffy: | I wish we had an appliance like the microsuck one |
| [22:50:00] | torben: | ? |
| [22:50:00] | DanielHolth: | it is still fun to hook an nVidia up with tv-out. |
| [22:51:00] | DanielHolth: | the hauppage though, basically you cat an mpeg-2 to a device and it winds up on the screen. |
| [22:51:00] | DanielHolth: | confusingly, the audio comes out in a different place if it's anything else besides mpeg2 |
| [22:51:00] | DanielHolth: | (the sound card or the hauppage card depending) |
| [22:51:00] | tuxick: | don't suppose anyone knows about tv_grab_nl ? |
| [22:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | hmm |
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| [22:51:00] | tuxick: | and why i can't change it to tv_grab_nl_gert ? |
| [22:53:00] | GeckoFiend: | tuxick because tv_grab_nl_gert isn't known to be working perhaps? |
| [22:53:00] | tuxick: | GeckoFiend: well, *i* know tv_grab_nl doesn't work :) |
| [22:53:00] | tuxick: | maybe i should look for a new version of that |
| [22:54:00] | tuxick: | GeckoFiend: but i mean to ask how it knows? hardcoded? |
| [22:54:00] | tuxick: | changing it in videosource won't work |
| [22:54:00] | laga: | tuxick: ln -sf helps ;) |
| [22:54:00] | tuxick: | ? |
| [22:55:00] | GeckoFiend: | tuxick dunno I've not used xmltv in ages |
| [22:55:00] | tuxick: | what do you use then? |
| [22:57:00] | GeckoFiend: | anyone even seen a drawing app with support for an 8 bits per pixel mode that looked like bbgggrrr? |
| [23:00:00] | torben: | GeckoFiend, the lfs book says i need a 1,3gb partition minimum |
| [23:02:00] | laga: | tuxick: you can make a symlink to the new grabber |
| [23:02:00] | tuxick: | laga: aah, of course:) |
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| [23:05:00] | tuxick: | too logical |
| [23:05:00] | GeckoFiend: | torben yeah you need something that big as your baseline for building and what not. |
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| [23:06:00] | stoffel: | GeckoFiend: you really expect a sensible answer in the _users_ channel ;) |
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| [23:07:00] | GeckoFiend: | stoffel heh true |
| [23:08:00] | torben: | so could i build lfs on other hardware, make it small (cramfs,..) and then just copy it over to the cf card? |
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| [23:08:00] | torben: | if that works..its gonna be a tough one for me |
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| [23:10:00] | GeckoFiend: | torben that's pretty much how it works yeah |
| [23:10:00] | torben: | the cf-card doesn't have a filesystem for example..how could i copy something to it..and even make it bootable?.. :/ |
| [23:11:00] | torben: | GeckoFiend, i would need help on that :) |
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| [23:13:00] | Beirdo: | ah, home, sweet couch |
| [23:14:00] | kormoc: | nice :) |
| [23:14:00] | ** kormoc just renewed his netflix subscription. ** | |
| [23:14:00] | Beirdo: | moved a metric assload of stuff outta storage |
| [23:14:00] | Beirdo: | three minivan loads (full) to the apt |
| [23:14:00] | fatmatt: | asses are in metric? |
| [23:14:00] | laga: | mine is |
| [23:14:00] | Beirdo: | 2 to my dad's place 2.5h from here |
| [23:14:00] | stoffel: | i've never checked |
| [23:15:00] | Beirdo: | now I can't see my TV |
| [23:15:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:15:00] | Beirdo: | I'll fix that later |
| [23:15:00] | Beirdo: | the couch and bed are usable, and the bathroom |
| [23:15:00] | Beirdo: | the rest I'll work on |
| [23:15:00] | laga: | hmm bed |
| [23:15:00] | fatmatt: | morning here, coffee time |
| [23:16:00] | Beirdo: | beer? |
| [23:16:00] | Beirdo: | come on, play along, you saw that Simpsons I'm sure |
| [23:16:00] | ** laga didn't ** | |
| [23:16:00] | stoffel: | d'oh |
| [23:17:00] | Beirdo: | the one where Bart goes to Australia to get booted? |
| [23:17:00] | Beirdo: | come ON |
| [23:17:00] | stoffel: | *shrug* |
| [23:18:00] | fatmatt: | that was funny, the boot thing |
| [23:18:00] | laga: | oh, yeah. i know that one |
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| [23:28:00] | Keith: | hey guys- here's a myth question for you – when myth is told to record something of a certain title, say family guy, will it record it every time it sees thef amily guy name |
| [23:29:00] | Keith: | or, if it sees that theres a repeat of, say, episode 32 |
| [23:29:00] | Keith: | itll skip over the repeat cause it already recorded? |
| [23:29:00] | GeckoFiend: | Keith that depends on how you set up the rule |
| [23:29:00] | Keith: | what rules would be needed to do that? |
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| [23:30:00] | GeckoFiend: | There's a whole section in the recording parameters dialog for deuplicate detection |
| [23:30:00] | Keith: | ill take a loko into it, thanks. |
| [23:30:00] | GeckoFiend: | either under scheduling options or storage options one of the two |
| [23:31:00] | Keith: | oh gecko, i'm goign to install the mythtv plugins later tonight since the tv portion is working beautifully, thanks to the help of you and severalothers. |
| [23:31:00] | Keith: | they difficult at all? |
| [23:31:00] | fatmatt: | no |
| [23:31:00] | GeckoFiend: | not really, some have more dependencies than others. |
| [23:31:00] | Keith: | whcih ones could become problematic? |
| [23:32:00] | fatmatt: | plugins seemed easy compared to the main install |
| [23:32:00] | Keith: | excellent :-D |
| [23:32:00] | Keith: | exactly what i wanted to hear. |
| [23:32:00] | Keith: | now all i need to do is get them installed and get the mythbox to send the video and audio to the tv |
| [23:32:00] | fatmatt: | maybe mythdvd, mythweb was simple, you need an installed web server/ apache |
| [23:32:00] | Keith: | i think i need cables for that. |
| [23:32:00] | Keith: | i have to set up apache for mythweb to work? |
| [23:33:00] | fatmatt: | mythweather isn't much good in Australia, but it installed simply, |
| [23:33:00] | Keith: | lol im in the us so no troubles here. |
| [23:34:00] | fatmatt: | the weather dept. here has all the rain radar stuff for each of the major cites and a lot of regional areas online, I use mythbroswer for weather |
| [23:35:00] | Keith: | do i want apache 2.0 or 2.1 alpha? |
| [23:36:00] | fatmatt: | whatever works, wouldn't recomend alpha (sounds like a testing versioni), I use apache-ssl, depends on your |
| [23:36:00] | Keith: | well i was meaning to install apache anyway- i wanted to be able to easily port over all my music from my laptop and desktop over to the mythbox. |
| [23:36:00] | Keith: | a server seemed simplest. |
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| [23:38:00] | fatmatt: | are you talking about samba or apache? |
| [23:39:00] | Keith: | apache. |
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| [23:39:00] | Keith: | which is easiest to set up |
| [23:39:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [23:39:00] | fatmatt: | apache is a web server, samba is a file server |
| [23:40:00] | Keith: | ok. |
| [23:40:00] | fatmatt: | if you want to transfer files / map drives from windows machines then use samba |
| [23:40:00] | Keith: | ok, thanks. |
| [23:41:00] | fatmatt: | if you want to make a web server and use a web page interface from another machine to control the mythbox, then install mythweb and apache |
| [23:42:00] | Keith: | thats what iwant too |
| [23:42:00] | Keith: | i actually want both then |
| [23:42:00] | Keith: | ive gotta go, ill ask more about it later. thanks for the help fatmatt |
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| [23:43:00] | fatmatt: | he didn't know that and he ws able to install myth? |
| [23:44:00] | fatmatt: | I must make things difficult for myself somehow |
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| [23:45:00] | stoffel: | hehe |
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