| Sunday, July 17th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | t0t3r: | u can connect a ci module with a cam |
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| [00:01:00] | bobbyz: | lol, that made no sense to me. What is a ci module or cam? |
| [00:01:00] | physh: | your not going to pull digital cable off your cable lines without some form of decoder box. they do make black boxes, if your lucking enough to know where to get one, but the cable company gets ahold of you using one, or even thinks you are using one, they put what they call traps on your line to filter out the frequency's you are not supposed to receive, and there's no way your ever going to decode a frequency that's not coming to you |
| [00:02:00] | bobbyz: | ok, I think that answers my question then, thx |
| [00:02:00] | djperegrine: | when I modprobe ivtv-fb it says operation not permitted |
| [00:02:00] | djperegrine: | O_O |
| [00:03:00] | djperegrine: | Am I not supposed to be able to use ivtv-fb ? |
| [00:03:00] | physh: | I've got a blue rectangle where I should have a tv picture. I've added the "NoOffscreenPixmaps" option to my xorg.conf and have xv support, but no picture |
| [00:04:00] | physh: | sounds like a permissions problem. are you trying to modprobe as a user or root? |
| [00:04:00] | djperegrine: | root |
| [00:04:00] | djperegrine: | wait is that for hardware decoders? |
| [00:05:00] | djperegrine: | when I type mplayer /dev/video0 it works great |
| [00:05:00] | physh: | ivtv is for hardware, to my knowledge yes, specifically the hauppauge pvr series cards |
| [00:05:00] | djperegrine: | I know |
| [00:05:00] | physh: | hmmm, I misunderstand then |
| [00:06:00] | djperegrine: | Ok whats teh difference between modprobe ivtv and modprobe ivtv-fb |
| [00:06:00] | djperegrine: | do I need it, should I use it? |
| [00:06:00] | physh: | I've never used ivtv-fb, so technically to my knowledge you do not need it |
| [00:06:00] | physh: | but then, I'm no expert |
| [00:06:00] | djperegrine: | yea |
| [00:07:00] | djperegrine: | when I load ivtv it works fine in mplayer but is not smooth in myth |
| [00:07:00] | djperegrine: | I am recompiling myth now |
| [00:07:00] | physh: | could be a difference in running a small window as opposed to running fullscreen |
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| [00:08:00] | djperegrine: | possibly |
| [00:08:00] | djperegrine: | I need to figure out whats the best way to play fullscreen in mplayer |
| [00:08:00] | djperegrine: | only way that worked was -vo vesa |
| [00:09:00] | physh: | but then you are using the vesa extension rather than the xv extension, and myth doesn't run the vesa I don't believe, only the xv |
| [00:09:00] | physh: | and I don't know how to make mplayer run fullscreen with xv |
| [00:11:00] | djperegrine: | well -fs |
| [00:13:00] | Keith: | hi guys |
| [00:13:00] | Keith: | tot3r, you still here? |
| [00:14:00] | Keith: | gyus- once root, how do you assign a password to a user? |
| [00:14:00] | Keith: | im sorry for the non mythtv question but its essential to getting something to run right |
| [00:14:00] | physh: | if your not doing it during the initial adduser, then I'm not sure |
| [00:15:00] | Keith: | i created a user, i just dont know hwo to set its pwrod |
| [00:15:00] | physh: | as root type passwd "usernamehere" |
| [00:15:00] | Keith: | then itll ask me for a new pword? |
| [00:16:00] | physh: | *nod* |
| [00:16:00] | Keith: | brb lemem test |
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| [00:17:00] | PoonJ: | anyone here use nuvexport? |
| [00:29:00] | djperegrine: | I might be evil and switch to freevo :O |
| [00:30:00] | hadeees: | i am having a strange problem, ivtv options are only working when set from the command line instead of modules.conf |
| [00:31:00] | physh: | what distro hadeees? |
| [00:31:00] | hadeees: | physh, gentoo |
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| [00:35:00] | physh: | no idea |
| [00:47:00] | Atamido: | Is Freevo any good? |
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| [01:11:00] | physh: | I've got a blue rectangle where I should have a tv picture. I've added the "NoOffscreenPixmaps" option to my xorg.conf and have xv support, but no picture |
| [01:11:00] | defaultro: | hey guys |
| [01:12:00] | defaultro: | is there a way for mythmusic to continue playing music even if we go to other parts of mythfrontend? |
| [01:12:00] | rben: | Hey, everyone who helped me, I finally got everything working, both tuners and I've got seperate frontends running |
| [01:13:00] | rben: | thanks for all the help |
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| [01:28:00] | hadeees: | can you setup a backend with out installing xorg? |
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| [01:32:00] | defaultro: | hi hadees |
| [01:32:00] | hadeees: | defaultro, hello |
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| [01:35:00] | ridd1er: | hey all. |
| [01:36:00] | ridd1er: | was wondering if anyone knew what happened to the channel binary that tused to be included in the myth download. |
| [01:38:00] | GeckoFiend: | ridd1er what channel binary? |
| [01:38:00] | ridd1er: | i used to use it to change the channel on my cable box over serial |
| [01:38:00] | ridd1er: | i was apart of the contrib dir i believe in like 0.16 and 0.17 |
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| [01:45:00] | ridd1er: | anyone remember that or am i smoking something? |
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| [01:46:00] | ridd1er: | i mean I was using it.. i just had a server crash and I am rebuilding.. and am in need of that binary |
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| [01:57:00] | ridd1er: | ahh looks like it was renamed to dct-channel in contrib |
| [01:57:00] | ridd1er: | thats it |
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| [02:14:00] | djperegrine: | when I got to watch tv |
| [02:14:00] | djperegrine: | the tv and audio stops |
| [02:14:00] | djperegrine: | alot |
| [02:14:00] | djperegrine: | it like cuts out |
| [02:14:00] | djperegrine: | like watching a stream with a bad server |
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| [02:31:00] | vegbox: | Can anyone help me figure out why I can change channels on a pvr 150? |
| [02:36:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, I deleted channel 26. What is the best way to scan for it so that it gets back to channels table? |
| [02:36:00] | defaultro: | I don't want to do a rescan because it might delete my other existing channels |
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| [02:41:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, I would like to know where dvbinput table is used. I do see the aspect ratio there |
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| [02:54:00] | Russ: | ok, so, I'm trying to improve video quality |
| [02:54:00] | Russ: | so a good place to look is the news ticker |
| [02:54:00] | Russ: | I notice that there must be some problem with interlacing |
| [02:55:00] | Russ: | if I watch the video on the computer, with a deinterlacing filter on, the letters look good |
| [02:55:00] | Russ: | but, on the TV, I don't use a deinterlacing filter, because its an interlaced display |
| [02:55:00] | Russ: | but, the text zigzags vertically |
| [02:55:00] | Russ: | ie, scanlines are out of sync |
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| [02:57:00] | Russ: | If i turn off deinterlacing playback on the crt frontend, its pretty clear that the video stream is interlaced |
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| [03:10:00] | Russ: | quickdnr crashes mythfrontend |
| [03:10:00] | Russ: | and bob 2x causes very bad things to happen |
| [03:10:00] | Russ: | the image is duplicated |
| [03:10:00] | Russ: | one above the other |
| [03:10:00] | Russ: | and it flashes with messed up colors |
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| [03:14:00] | Russ: | If I could apply quickdnr at recording time, it would be done on the backend instead |
| [03:14:00] | Russ: | but then it looks like I have to go to each individual channel and type quickdnr |
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| [03:26:00] | vegtv: | Can anyone help me change channels on my pvr 150? |
| [03:30:00] | Fosten: | have you tried ptune.pl -c channelnumber? |
| [03:31:00] | vegtv: | yeah |
| [03:31:00] | vegtv: | that works great |
| [03:31:00] | vegtv: | but channel channging in mytv |
| [03:32:00] | vegtv: | doesnt work |
| [03:32:00] | vegtv: | mythtv |
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| [03:32:00] | djperegrine: | ok so I can't use xv because I am using the standard vesa driver |
| [03:34:00] | djperegrine: | and now my video is not very smooth because it is doing the software resizing |
| [03:34:00] | djperegrine: | how do I get it to work with a decent video driver? |
| [03:35:00] | Russ: | ummm....configure X |
| [03:35:00] | Russ: | its rocket science really |
| [03:36:00] | djperegrine: | Oh I see |
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| [03:38:00] | xris: | crap, my irblaster stopped working |
| [03:40:00] | defaultro: | hi xris, the reboot last night fixed it |
| [03:40:00] | xris: | defaultro: rebooting is good. :) |
| [03:41:00] | defaultro: | xris, i got another question. I screwed up one channel a long time ago. Right now, am not able to view anything from that channel. I want to rescan it again. What are my steps to properly include it? |
| [03:41:00] | xris: | for atsc? |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | should I delete the channel in the channel table first? |
| [03:43:00] | defaultro: | I couldn't remember where I got xmltvid. I guess I got it when I ran mythfilldatabase before |
| [03:44:00] | defaultro: | then i had to manually enter them to the scanned atsc channels |
| [03:44:00] | xris: | yeah, no clue. when I did it, I let zap2it handle it. |
| [03:44:00] | xris: | then ran my script to merge zap2it and atsc scanned channels |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | can I see your script please? |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | i remember deleting the underscores too |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | i was looking at the php app I wrote but found out today that i didn't continue it |
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| [03:50:00] | xris: | http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/ |
| [03:50:00] | xris: | http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/hdtvscan2dd.pl.txt |
| [03:50:00] | defaultro: | thanks |
| [03:54:00] | xris: | f*ck, I wonder what broke my ledxmit stuff. |
| [03:54:00] | xris: | I'm pretty much SOL without that. |
| [03:54:00] | defaultro: | SOL? |
| [03:54:00] | xris: | shit out of luck |
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| [03:56:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [03:56:00] | defaultro: | i have a document I wrote |
| [03:56:00] | defaultro: | I have used it many times without issues |
| [03:57:00] | defaultro: | this might help, http://restricted.dyndns.org/twoinstancelirc.html |
| [03:57:00] | defaultro: | i always used it |
| [03:59:00] | xris: | defaultro: I have something like that working. |
| [03:59:00] | djperegrine: | How do you get myth working with directfb in gentoo |
| [03:59:00] | djperegrine: | ? |
| [03:59:00] | xris: | well, had. seems it suddenly stopped working earlier this week |
| [03:59:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:59:00] | xris: | mythtv works in gentoo? ;) |
| [03:59:00] | djperegrine: | lol |
| [03:59:00] | defaultro: | in what way it doesn't work, other end doesn't respond? |
| [04:00:00] | ** KarlosII says http://www.pclinuxonline.com/article.php?sid=9908 intel to cut opensource out of content market ** | |
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| [04:01:00] | defaultro: | nice politics talks behind M$0ft and Intel |
| [04:01:00] | xris: | great. works once, then lirc crashes |
| [04:01:00] | defaultro: | i dunno why |
| [04:01:00] | defaultro: | my has never crashed |
| [04:02:00] | defaultro: | i have a question regarding this line in your script, 'UPDATE channel SET mplexid=?, serviceid=?, atscsrcid=?, freqid=?' |
| [04:02:00] | defaultro: | how is ? populated? |
| [04:05:00] | xris: | in execute() |
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| [04:07:00] | ShockValue: | im getting pretty damn close to a polished install of mythtv on my new plasma.. this is way cool |
| [04:07:00] | djperegrine: | lol |
| [04:07:00] | ShockValue: | im quite pleased at how much better the interface looks on something that can handle more than 640x480 :) |
| [04:07:00] | djperegrine: | my google search found me on the logs for this chat :P |
| [04:08:00] | ShockValue: | although Im still a bit lost as to why Minimilist-Wide theme doesnt have icons for the main menu |
| [04:08:00] | djperegrine: | since xv doesn't work with the deufalt vesa drivers |
| [04:08:00] | djperegrine: | what driver should I get for the tvout |
| [04:09:00] | ShockValue: | what card do you have? |
| [04:09:00] | djperegrine: | radeon 7500 |
| [04:10:00] | ShockValue: | what linux distro? |
| [04:10:00] | djperegrine: | gentoo |
| [04:10:00] | ShockValue: | ah, good.. hmm i dont know about ati, but im sure theres a way, one sec |
| [04:10:00] | djperegrine: | my video in myth is laggy because xv doesn't work |
| [04:10:00] | ShockValue: | http://odin.prohosting.com/wedge01/gentoo-radeon-faq.html |
| [04:10:00] | ShockValue: | did you emerge the ati drivers? |
| [04:10:00] | djperegrine: | yes but I need tvout |
| [04:10:00] | djperegrine: | yea |
| [04:10:00] | ShockValue: | oh, they wont do that? |
| [04:11:00] | djperegrine: | well it just flickers alot |
| [04:11:00] | ShockValue: | well crud, you were supposed to have an easy question.. i havent used ATI so i dunno :/ |
| [04:11:00] | xris: | great, and now ivtv is broken |
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| [04:12:00] | ShockValue: | anyone else use Minimalist-Wide theme? Do you have icons on the main menu? |
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| [04:15:00] | ** NightBird tries to figure out how to pull up a graphical file viewer under myth... ** | |
| [04:15:00] | NightBird: | I'm wanting to grab some files off of my current connection and put them on the myth box.... |
| [04:16:00] | djperegrine: | ftp? |
| [04:16:00] | NightBird: | I was planning on getting them across the network |
| [04:16:00] | ShockValue: | i always use my shared media server to move files around between machines... Z: on my windows box, /media on my linux boxes |
| [04:16:00] | xris: | wtf "ivtv not found" |
| [04:16:00] | xris: | BS. |
| [04:19:00] | xris: | and it works with the older kernel oh well, good enough |
| [04:25:00] | defaultro: | so xris, if azap is intermittent, that means, weak signal right? |
| [04:25:00] | xris: | no clue |
| [04:26:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [04:29:00] | xris: | wtf, atrpms doesn't have kernel sources anymore? |
| [04:30:00] | NightBird: | how do you mount a network directory in linux? |
| [04:31:00] | Randall64: | mount(8) |
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| [04:34:00] | xris: | NightBird: you mean nfs? or samba? or appleshare? |
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| [04:42:00] | NightBird: | >> |
| [04:42:00] | NightBird: | did anyone answer my question? I apparently got disconnected not long after I asked it |
| [04:42:00] | EL_Whistey: | hmmm. Even though I have a PCIe system, mplayer is loading agp drivers. Hmmmmmmm. |
| [04:42:00] | xris: | NightBird: man mount |
| [04:43:00] | NightBird: | I pulled that up, but it was complaining that "Special device (path) does not exist" |
| [04:44:00] | NightBird: | though, I probably picked the wrong type |
| [04:44:00] | EL_Whistey: | It's telling you that the special device you nominated (e.g. /dev/hda1 or whatever) does not exist. |
| [04:44:00] | ** NightBird sighs ** | |
| [04:44:00] | NightBird: | yes |
| [04:45:00] | NightBird: | I realise this |
| [04:45:00] | EL_Whistey: | well ... err ... |
| [04:45:00] | NightBird: | so how do I get it to go to the right network path? |
| [04:45:00] | EL_Whistey: | network path? no no no. device. |
| [04:46:00] | ** NightBird sighs ** | |
| [04:46:00] | EL_Whistey: | I dunno, try running hotplug if gentoo has it, or try executing MAKEDEV. |
| [04:47:00] | EL_Whistey: | Or ... try checking that you actually have the device :) |
| [04:47:00] | NightBird: | I'm trying to get a shared network folder so that I can move files from it to the local machine |
| [04:47:00] | EL_Whistey: | Ah. An smb shared directory? |
| [04:48:00] | NightBird: | yeah |
| [04:48:00] | EL_Whistey: | man smbmount |
| [04:48:00] | NightBird: | ...no entry found |
| [04:49:00] | NightBird: | and if I try running the command.... it says command not found |
| [04:50:00] | EL_Whistey: | do you have smb (aka samba) networking set up on your mythbox? |
| [04:50:00] | NightBird: | no idea... I'm running an installation of knoppMyth |
| [04:50:00] | EL_Whistey: | right. |
| [04:50:00] | ** xris really wants to know what happened to the atrpms kernels ** | |
| [04:50:00] | xris: | they're gone. |
| [04:50:00] | EL_Whistey: | Well, before you can use smb networking you have to set it up. |
| [04:51:00] | NightBird: | hm.... how would I go about doing that? |
| [04:52:00] | EL_Whistey: | NightBird, http://www.samba.org/ would be a good place to start. Or have a look at knoppix's site(s) for FAQ, HOWTO, Docs. |
| [04:52:00] | NightBird: | ok |
| [04:52:00] | NightBird: | thanks |
| [04:53:00] | ** NightBird wonders just how he is planning on getting any files he downloads to the machine... ** | |
| [04:53:00] | NightBird: | I'm haveing problems setting things up so that it can access outside of the network.... |
| [04:53:00] | NightBird: | just plane unable to connect... |
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| [04:55:00] | xris: | f*ck |
| [04:55:00] | EL_Whistey: | Setting up a network is (a) not trivial, (b) outside the scope of this place (IMHO) |
| [04:56:00] | ** NightBird watches anime ** | |
| [04:57:00] | poonj_: | hey xris, are you familiar with nuvexport? I'm getting errors when trying to export a nuv file |
| [04:57:00] | ** xris is vaguely familiar (I wrote it) ** | |
| [04:57:00] | poonj_: | heh, okay |
| [04:57:00] | xris: | https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/wiki/debug |
| [04:58:00] | NightBird: | hm... I guess that would tend to lead to some familiarity with it.. |
| [05:00:00] | poonj_: | I'm getting an error with ffmpeg.. |
| [05:00:00] | EL_Whistey: | Depends how long ago he wrote it. |
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| [05:01:00] | poonj_: | ffmpeg had critical errors, pipe:: Error while opening file |
| [05:02:00] | xris: | poonj_: search the mailing list for the error |
| [05:02:00] | EL_Whistey: | Blasted kernel config is starting to need a search function |
| [05:02:00] | poonj_: | okay |
| [05:02:00] | poonj_: | mythth-users list? |
| [05:02:00] | poonj_: | or is there an nuvexport list |
| [05:03:00] | xris: | -users and -dev |
| [05:04:00] | xris: | google would probably work, too |
| [05:04:00] | poonj_: | I've tried that |
| [05:04:00] | poonj_: | nothing came up |
| [05:06:00] | Fosten: | hi, i'm working on initial mythtv-setup and find that 4. input connections in blank, can anyone tell me why? |
| [05:06:00] | EL_Whistey: | help save me some time: WhereTF is the AGP stuff in the kernel config? |
| [05:07:00] | ** xris wants to pound something... hard to smash software.... ** | |
| [05:07:00] | xris: | poonj_: search for the error? |
| [05:07:00] | poonj_: | yeah |
| [05:07:00] | xris: | odd |
| [05:07:00] | poonj_: | but it doesn't seem to be solved.. |
| [05:08:00] | xris: | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&am . . . ;btnG=Search |
| [05:08:00] | poonj_: | https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/ticket/22 |
| [05:08:00] | xris: | that's probably unrelated to your issue. |
| [05:08:00] | xris: | usually it's just lack of yuvdenoise |
| [05:08:00] | poonj_: | thats the problem? |
| [05:08:00] | xris: | honestly, running with --debug it the best suggestion I can give to help you find the error |
| [05:08:00] | poonj_: | okay |
| [05:09:00] | poonj_: | let me figure it out |
| [05:09:00] | poonj_: | with that |
| [05:09:00] | poonj_: | but is it ffmpeg the problem? |
| [05:09:00] | xris: | the error comes from ffmpeg |
| [05:09:00] | xris: | nuvexport is just a wrapper for the other stuff.. interfaces with myth's db and builds a commandline to ffmpeg or transcode to do the work |
| [05:11:00] | EL_Whistey: | Oh FFS. AGP support is in character device drivers, right next to FTAPE. What a heap of crap. |
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| [05:17:00] | keith__: | i would like to thank many people here, such as xris who i see on the mods list, for helping me- my myth tv now works thanks to you gus. |
| [05:17:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yay |
| [05:17:00] | xris: | keith__: you're one up on me |
| [05:18:00] | keith__: | ha |
| [05:18:00] | xris: | mine just started randomly not working on wednesday. |
| [05:18:00] | keith__ is now known as KeithNJPride | |
| [05:18:00] | EL_Whistey: | now if only nvidia was as responsive and effective :) |
| [05:18:00] | KeithNJPride: | well let me run it again and make sure it wasnt some freak fluke |
| [05:18:00] | KeithNJPride: | plus i gotta test sound |
| [05:18:00] | KeithNJPride: | and install plugins |
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| [05:19:00] | KeithNJPride: | hmmm the docus hold basic commands like changing channels right lol/ |
| [05:28:00] | EL_Whistey: | that makes no sense as a sentence |
| [05:29:00] | EL_Whistey: | E_PARSE |
| [05:29:00] | EL_Whistey: | I got the LOL bit though |
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| [05:30:00] | KeithNJPride: | ok something really weird happened |
| [05:31:00] | KeithNJPride: | i was watchign tv on mythtv |
| [05:31:00] | KeithNJPride: | sound was good |
| [05:31:00] | KeithNJPride: | video fien |
| [05:31:00] | KeithNJPride: | i told it to record a show coming up next |
| [05:31:00] | KeithNJPride: | first time ever |
| [05:31:00] | KeithNJPride: | boom crash |
| [05:31:00] | KeithNJPride: | backend is hsowing 0 error readouts |
| [05:31:00] | KeithNJPride: | wait- myth tv can't run and watch tv at the same tiem? |
| [05:33:00] | KeithNJPride: | ooooook this is weird. |
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| [05:39:00] | djperegrine: | When I start x with fbdev I get fbioblank: invalid argument |
| [05:39:00] | djperegrine: | and then it quites |
| [05:39:00] | djperegrine: | *quits |
| [05:39:00] | djperegrine: | it loads up fine |
| [05:39:00] | djperegrine: | otherwise |
| [05:39:00] | djperegrine: | I mean like |
| [05:39:00] | djperegrine: | I see the display |
| [05:40:00] | djperegrine: | and the mouse with a X |
| [05:40:00] | EL_Whistey: | is fbdev ever a good idea in this context? |
| [05:41:00] | djperegrine: | well i need it |
| [05:41:00] | djperegrine: | because I have a tvout on ati |
| [05:41:00] | EL_Whistey: | gatos? |
| [05:41:00] | djperegrine: | yea I need to try that still |
| [05:41:00] | djperegrine: | but It said it didn't work on xorg |
| [05:41:00] | djperegrine: | only Xfree86 |
| [05:41:00] | EL_Whistey: | xfree86? |
| [05:42:00] | EL_Whistey: | So ... it might work under xfree86? |
| [05:42:00] | GotD0t: | whenever theres predominantly black on the screen (like credits and such) the sound gets all choppy from my PVR-250 |
| [05:42:00] | djperegrine: | um |
| [05:42:00] | djperegrine: | I have xorg :( |
| [05:42:00] | EL_Whistey: | djperegrine, err ... that is immutable? |
| [05:43:00] | djperegrine: | :O |
| [05:43:00] | djperegrine: | xorg is built on xfree86 |
| [05:43:00] | EL_Whistey: | yes, it's a good thing, too. |
| [05:44:00] | djperegrine: | right I heard it only worked when you use xfree86 and not xorg |
| [05:44:00] | EL_Whistey: | right, so use xfree86. Problem solved. |
| [05:45:00] | djperegrine: | u, |
| [05:45:00] | djperegrine: | It will be faster to figure this out then to compile it :P |
| [05:45:00] | EL_Whistey: | compile X? Woo. |
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| [05:46:00] | phi0x: | yo |
| [05:46:00] | KeithNJPride: | hey- i was watching my mythtv finally |
| [05:46:00] | KeithNJPride: | got it working and all |
| [05:46:00] | KeithNJPride: | everythings going smooth |
| [05:46:00] | phi0x: | well everyone i got my myth box working at good speeds and whatnot |
| [05:46:00] | KeithNJPride: | i told it to record a program that went on at 11:30 |
| [05:46:00] | phi0x: | just need a few things fixed |
| [05:46:00] | KeithNJPride: | then mythtv kicks me and it tells me |
| [05:46:00] | djperegrine: | what tvout do you use? |
| [05:46:00] | KeithNJPride: | that all input cards are being used |
| [05:47:00] | KeithNJPride: | does that mean im recording it now? |
| [05:47:00] | KeithNJPride: | pvr-150 |
| [05:47:00] | KeithNJPride: | and congrats phi0x- i just got mine to work too |
| [05:47:00] | djperegrine: | As your tv out ? |
| [05:47:00] | djperegrine: | I should prob do that to |
| [05:47:00] | phi0x: | first thing is the finetune how to do it and also my channels are up one level like channel 2 shows on channel 3 when i type in channel 2 it comes up with channel 1 which is nothing, and channel 3 comes up with channel 2 even though the guide data says like channel 2 tv guide yet nothing shows, then channel 3 shows tv guide and says cbc or whatever. |
| [05:48:00] | phi0x: | then i need to figure out how to setup finetuning of channels since they all look really crappy |
| [05:48:00] | KeithNJPride: | ph- thats a common error |
| [05:48:00] | phi0x: | how do i fix:O |
| [05:48:00] | KeithNJPride: | phi0x – the solution to the up one channel is in mythtv documentatino- saw it while browsing through trying to fix my own problems |
| [05:49:00] | phi0x: | k |
| [05:49:00] | KeithNJPride: | mythtv.org its listed under canadacable |
| [05:49:00] | KeithNJPride: | canada cable* |
| [05:49:00] | KeithNJPride: | it says its an easy adjustmenti believe. |
| [05:49:00] | EL_Whistey: | dkperegrine, was that tvout Q addressed to me? |
| [05:50:00] | ** EL_Whistey has an nvidia, its tvout just works, but a lot of other stuff just doesn't. ** | |
| [05:50:00] | djperegrine: | yea |
| [05:50:00] | djperegrine: | see thats the thing i have a ati radeon 7500 |
| [05:50:00] | djperegrine: | only way I could get that working is with vesa |
| [05:50:00] | KeithNJPride: | ::shrugg:: |
| [05:50:00] | djperegrine: | but myth ( for some reason) needs to use xv |
| [05:51:00] | KeithNJPride: | my vid cards built into the case like the mobo.... my pvr does all the video work for mythtv. |
| [05:51:00] | djperegrine: | otherwise it isn't smooth at all |
| [05:51:00] | EL_Whistey: | seems to me your course of action is clear: ensure gatos works with your card, get what gatos says it needs in order to work (ie: xfree86) and you're sweet. |
| [05:51:00] | xris: | ok, at least I have ivtv working again |
| [05:51:00] | KeithNJPride: | im out for the night, gl you guys. |
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| [05:51:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yeah, well, Xv is the stuff you need to rescale the images to fit on your screen. |
| [05:51:00] | djperegrine: | yea I know |
| [05:51:00] | EL_Whistey: | Xv does not work on some nvidia cards. |
| [05:52:00] | EL_Whistey: | yet. |
| [05:52:00] | |rt|: | yeah i have that problem here |
| [05:52:00] | |rt|: | if I enable Xv i get a blank screen |
| [05:52:00] | djperegrine: | yea |
| [05:52:00] | djperegrine: | so how do you get around it in myth |
| [05:52:00] | djperegrine: | ? |
| [05:52:00] | EL_Whistey: | and the cpu goes to 99% and there are kernel messages, |rt| ? |
| [05:52:00] | |rt|: | i don't use Xv |
| [05:52:00] | djperegrine: | like can you make it use framebuffer or something? |
| [05:53:00] | djperegrine: | what do you do ? |
| [05:53:00] | |rt|: | EL_Whistey: dunno I never looked...I typically just ssh in and killall X |
| [05:53:00] | EL_Whistey: | What nvidia card do you have rt? |
| [05:53:00] | |rt|: | then restart it |
| [05:53:00] | EL_Whistey: | djperegrine, I bitch at nvidia until they fix it. |
| [05:53:00] | |rt|: | MSI fx 5200 |
| [05:53:00] | ** EL_Whistey might be waiting a long time however. ** | |
| [05:53:00] | |rt|: | i'll try it sometime tomorrow though and look to see if there are any messages |
| [05:54:00] | EL_Whistey: | Interesting that this happens on a 5200 too. |
| [05:54:00] | EL_Whistey: | 7667 driver, rt? |
| [05:54:00] | |rt|: | it's not that big of a deal to my...my box has plenty of cpu cycles to deal with decoding mpeg |
| [05:54:00] | EL_Whistey: | I didn't buy a 6600 to have the cpu do the scaling. |
| [05:54:00] | |rt|: | nope running 1.0.6629 here |
| [05:55:00] | EL_Whistey: | 7667 might help, might cause other problems too |
| [05:55:00] | EL_Whistey: | closed source is teh sux |
| [05:57:00] | |rt|: | yeah sometimes |
| [05:59:00] | phi0x: | ok the doc isnt a easy solution |
| [05:59:00] | phi0x: | it states go to the v4l mailing post |
| [05:59:00] | phi0x: | to look through all their damn threads |
| [05:59:00] | phi0x: | :| |
| [06:03:00] | EL_Whistey: | Heh, xorg doesn't support nv. damn+blast |
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| [06:10:00] | phi0x: | anyone have any quick solutions to canada cable channel screwups |
| [06:11:00] | |rt|: | phi0x: you can always defect and become an American :) |
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| [06:16:00] | phi0x: | .. |
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| [06:18:00] | phi0x: | i found a site with mythtv-users questions FAW |
| [06:18:00] | phi0x: | *FAQ |
| [06:18:00] | phi0x: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ |
| [06:18:00] | BKCH: | anyone out there got a PVR-150MCE working with FC4??? |
| [06:18:00] | phi0x: | ah its in the topic |
| [06:18:00] | phi0x: | heh |
| [06:18:00] | phi0x: | bkch some ppl do |
| [06:18:00] | phi0x: | ive read around saw some ppl have 150mce's working in linux. |
| [06:19:00] | phi0x: | its just that u dont get drivers with the MCE version so your system has to have them or u dl them |
| [06:19:00] | BKCH: | yep I'm just having dramas with the ivtv drivers on fc4 |
| [06:19:00] | BKCH: | I know it's possible – just not sure how lol |
| [06:20:00] | phi0x: | lol |
| [06:20:00] | phi0x: | i always thought u just plug in the card and away you go since v4l should detect it ;/ |
| [06:20:00] | phi0x: | and u should be able to select like pvr 250 type hardware in mythtv probably |
| [06:21:00] | djperegrine: | yea I have one |
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| [06:21:00] | djperegrine: | I have a PVR-150MCE LP working |
| [06:21:00] | BKCH: | hey!!! |
| [06:21:00] | BKCH: | what ver of ivtv did you have to use? |
| [06:21:00] | djperegrine: | the newest |
| [06:21:00] | BKCH: | 0.3.x |
| [06:21:00] | BKCH: | ? |
| [06:21:00] | BKCH: | ok |
| [06:21:00] | djperegrine: | 0.3.6z |
| [06:21:00] | djperegrine: | then it worked great with that |
| [06:22:00] | djperegrine: | all the other versions didn |
| [06:22:00] | djperegrine: | t work all at |
| [06:22:00] | BKCH: | I keep getting errors when I try and install that with apt-get |
| [06:22:00] | BKCH: | :( |
| [06:22:00] | djperegrine: | yea compile it yourself |
| [06:22:00] | BKCH: | I will try for 0.3.6z |
| [06:22:00] | BKCH: | ok |
| [06:22:00] | BKCH: | thanks for the tip |
| [06:22:00] | djperegrine: | np |
| [06:22:00] | BKCH: | did you get compsite inputs working? |
| [06:22:00] | djperegrine: | yea |
| [06:22:00] | BKCH: | sweet |
| [06:22:00] | djperegrine: | only one works |
| [06:22:00] | djperegrine: | one is for FM |
| [06:23:00] | BKCH: | nice to know it works lol |
| [06:23:00] | djperegrine: | I origanlly had it in the wrong one |
| [06:23:00] | djperegrine: | the singal came throught but was wierd |
| [06:23:00] | djperegrine: | then I switched it then it worked |
| [06:23:00] | BKCH: | is this the audio? |
| [06:23:00] | BKCH: | or video you're talking about? |
| [06:23:00] | djperegrine: | um \ |
| [06:24:00] | djperegrine: | both? |
| [06:24:00] | djperegrine: | you want the one closest to the S-video input |
| [06:24:00] | GotD0t: | whenever theres predominantly black on the screen (like credits and such) the sound gets all choppy from my PVR-250 |
| [06:24:00] | BKCH: | cool |
| [06:24:00] | BKCH: | thanks |
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| [06:25:00] | spellbound: | where can I find rjune's mythtv packages? |
| [06:26:00] | djperegrine: | ok I emerge xorg does that mean I can run Xfree86 without emerging it? |
| [06:35:00] | EL_Whistey: | emerge? |
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| [06:39:00] | EL_Whistey: | Hmm. Found debian pre-release of leading edge xfree86 and x.org |
| [06:40:00] | EL_Whistey: | New X has recent nv support. Might fix Xv problem under nv driver. |
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| [06:44:00] | phi0x: | yo bkch u there still |
| [06:44:00] | phi0x: | i found somethin on ur ivtv for x50 cards |
| [06:44:00] | phi0x: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Ha . . . ed_Questions |
| [06:44:00] | spellbound: | rjune, you have made som mythtv packages? can I download them? |
| [06:45:00] | rjune: | spellbound: yes, for fedora core 4 |
| [06:45:00] | rjune: | http://www.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/myth-fc4 |
| [06:46:00] | spellbound: | rjune, thanks! I had mythtv running from atrpms on fc3. but the atrpms broke the fc4 upgrade. I want to try to set up mythtv without atrpms this time.. |
| [06:46:00] | rjune: | spellbound: http://www.fedorasolved.com/viewtopic.php?t=64 |
| [06:46:00] | rjune: | you'll need livna as well as that URL |
| [06:46:00] | spellbound: | rjune, what's livna? |
| [06:46:00] | xris: | spellbound: so do many of us. |
| [06:47:00] | xris: | livna is another repository... |
| [06:47:00] | rjune: | spellbound: repo for fedora, it's essentially fedora extras-nonfree |
| [06:47:00] | spellbound: | ok |
| [06:47:00] | rjune: | stuff that's not OSS or otherwise encumbered, DVD players, mp3 players, that kinda stuff |
| [06:48:00] | xris: | rjune: or so warren would like people to treat it. |
| [06:48:00] | xris: | he's supposed to get mythtv in there at some point. |
| [06:48:00] | rjune: | xris: you'll have more luck with me getting it into livna |
| [06:48:00] | spellbound: | looks great. thanks for the help :) |
| [06:48:00] | xris: | well, he didn't like my spec |
| [06:49:00] | xris: | mythtv is too hardware-dependent, requires too many options. warren wants to restrict that. |
| [06:49:00] | rjune: | he's a winer |
| [06:49:00] | xris: | but he can be an a$$ at times. |
| [06:49:00] | rjune: | gah, s/winer/whiner/g |
| [06:49:00] | xris: | so much political stuff surrounding fedora repository stuff.. no one wants to help others, etc. |
| [06:50:00] | rjune: | sometimes, |
| [06:50:00] | rjune: | extras is a pain to contrib to. |
| [06:50:00] | xris: | really makes me want to just stop using fedora. but I like rpm/.spec *so* more more than .deb |
| [06:50:00] | rjune: | I got tweaked when a few of my packages made it into extras and I wasn't even credited. |
| [06:50:00] | rjune: | you could always use centos or suse |
| [06:50:00] | xris: | yeah, but then have no repositories. |
| [06:50:00] | xris: | or fear of that, anyway. |
| [06:51:00] | xris: | maybe once jarod gets more familiar with suse |
| [06:51:00] | rjune: | there's like one repo for suse. |
| [06:52:00] | rjune: | and dag, etc for centos |
| [06:52:00] | xris: | ah |
| [06:52:00] | xris: | well, for now, I'm struggling with fc3. my ir blaster randomly stopped working this week. |
| [06:52:00] | spellbound: | rjune, will I have to install ivtv drivers for my pvr250 card separately, or is it in the packages? |
| [06:52:00] | xris: | lirc just quits |
| [06:52:00] | rjune: | spellbound: drivers are sep |
| [06:52:00] | spellbound: | rjune, ok |
| [06:53:00] | rjune: | centos, wbel, etc are compatible with rhel, so you can use those repos |
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| [06:55:00] | xris: | rjune: well, defeats the point of getting away from the repos at that point. |
| [06:55:00] | rjune: | yeah well, |
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| [06:57:00] | xris: | f*ck, lirc still crashes |
| [06:57:00] | xris: | wtf is up with that? |
| [07:00:00] | mchou: | huh?? did I miss something? CentOS has no repository? |
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| [07:00:00] | xris: | mchou: read better |
| [07:00:00] | mchou: | I thought it's binary compatible with Red Hat. |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | xris: explain what you mean by "fear of no repository" |
| [07:01:00] | xris: | mchou: and then rjune corrected me |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [07:02:00] | rjune: | mchou: you get the same overly political repos that you get with fedora |
| [07:02:00] | rjune: | joy |
| [07:02:00] | xris: | I forgot that CentOS was the "open" rhel |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | I dont understand all the fucking fuss. |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | compile myth from source. |
| [07:03:00] | xris: | about repositories? |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | what's the big deal? |
| [07:03:00] | xris: | this has to do with a lot more than just myth |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | all you guys do is bitch at atrpms all the time. |
| [07:04:00] | rjune: | something about the repo being nasty to your system |
| [07:04:00] | mchou: | figured by now you all would have learned your lesson. |
| [07:04:00] | rjune: | not to use it? mostly we have. |
| [07:04:00] | xris: | mchou: that's what we're talking about. |
| [07:04:00] | mchou: | so quit whining then. |
| [07:04:00] | xris: | that's why myth now has its own spec (made by me, maintained by jarod) |
| [07:04:00] | xris: | mchou: not just whining about atrpms |
| [07:05:00] | rjune: | xris: really? I would be curious to see it. what are the deps(repo wise) |
| [07:05:00] | xris: | the fact that in order to get what debian does in 2 repos (world/universe), you need like 6 for fedora, and the maintainers bitch, and there are conflicts, etc. |
| [07:05:00] | xris: | rjune: look at jarod's .18.1 stuff. |
| [07:05:00] | EL_Whistey: | repository fear |
| [07:06:00] | xris: | rjune: dunno how recent this one is: http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/mythtv.spec |
| [07:06:00] | rjune: | xris: that's because everybody thinks they're right. |
| [07:06:00] | rjune: | it'll calm down and the repos will merge |
| [07:07:00] | xris: | rjune: you *are* aware that the argument has been going on for over 2 years, right? |
| [07:07:00] | rjune: | yup |
| [07:07:00] | rjune: | and the repos are already showing signs of merging |
| [07:07:00] | xris: | that's a *long* time to be childish |
| [07:08:00] | rjune: | yeah well |
| [07:08:00] | rjune: | when fedora was started, the long term repo goal was stated. |
| [07:08:00] | rjune: | people didn't like that. |
| [07:09:00] | xris: | people didn't like a lot of things. |
| [07:09:00] | xris: | fc4 is better, though. |
| [07:09:00] | xris: | but far from good |
| [07:09:00] | rjune: | as far as repos gos? |
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| [07:11:00] | xris: | rjune: yes. |
| [07:12:00] | EL_Whistey: | I had to compile from source. |
| [07:12:00] | xris: | since dag and dries and axel and... are all still running their own instead of contributing to extras... and warren is pushing too hard to keep livna instead of (imho a better idea) creating an all-new "other" repository. |
| [07:12:00] | EL_Whistey: | It's no real biggie |
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| [07:13:00] | rjune: | an other repo for what? |
| [07:14:00] | rjune: | its good to have someplace to put the legally grey stuff |
| [07:14:00] | ChrisMacTire: | Anyone using mplayer have problems with subtitles being cut off at the bottom? |
| [07:15:00] | xris: | rjune: to put what livna has.. but *not* named livna because there's too much bad blood with the name |
| [07:15:00] | xris: | half of the trouble is that people don't like warren putting his name on things. |
| [07:15:00] | rjune: | bad blood with the name? news to me. |
| [07:15:00] | EL_Whistey: | warren is a pretty daggy name |
| [07:15:00] | EL_Whistey: | perhaps he should change it to Max Powers |
| [07:16:00] | rjune: | EL_Whistey: warren isnt' bad, it's that togomi that's goofy |
| [07:16:00] | rjune: | xris: what's this bad blood with livna name? |
| [07:16:00] | xris: | well, mostly it's because livna is associated with warren. |
| [07:16:00] | EL_Whistey: | togomi should change his name to Chesty Laroo |
| [07:16:00] | xris: | warren the person, not warren's idea of a repository. |
| [07:16:00] | EL_Whistey: | or Busty StClair |
| [07:17:00] | xris: | the bad blood is between the maintainers of the repositories, and because of it, even though most of them share the same vision, it's not happening nearly as easily as it should. |
| [07:17:00] | spellbound: | root fear (reading rjune's howto for doing root stuff with stuff instead of su'ing |
| [07:18:00] | Randall64: | I guess I should go evaluate dlp projectors to see if I'm sensitive to rainbows. |
| [07:18:00] | ** xris curses loudly at lirc ** | |
| [07:19:00] | spellbound: | rjune, how many times have you messed things up by mistake because you were root? I don't think it's ever happened to me and I do stuff as root all the time |
| [07:19:00] | rjune: | spellbound: major mess ups? onces |
| [07:20:00] | rjune: | spellbound: if you're too smart to do it that way, that's fine, that's aimed at people that may make a mistake now and again |
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| [07:20:00] | spellbound: | rjune, seems to me people are taking this root fear a little bit too far. many howto's even advocate jumping in and out of a root shell for every other command to make sure that only the stuff that -has- to be done as root is done that way.. |
| [07:21:00] | EL_Whistey: | I once accidentally rm -rf'd .. under xemacs. |
| [07:21:00] | EL_Whistey: | I did that as myself. |
| [07:21:00] | EL_Whistey: | It caused major damage. |
| [07:22:00] | spellbound: | then there are the ones that are so anal about it that they put checks for root into the Makefile etc, to make sure you don't try the abomination of building as root... |
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| [07:22:00] | rjune: | I did rm -R * while in /usr/lib |
| [07:22:00] | rjune: | I stopped running as root after that. |
| [07:23:00] | rjune: | spellbound: that lets you do what you have to do as root as root without really getting in the way |
| [07:23:00] | spellbound: | rjune, chances are though, that if you were in /usr/lib, you were doing stuff that you need to be root to do... |
| [07:23:00] | rjune: | Uhm, actually no |
| [07:23:00] | rjune: | I was being dumb |
| [07:24:00] | spellbound: | :) |
| [07:25:00] | xris: | I'm really beginning to HATE lirc |
| [07:25:00] | xris: | like seriously |
| [07:25:00] | spellbound: | xris, time to write a better one then :) |
| [07:25:00] | xris: | spellbound: yeah. will stick with what I know best. |
| [07:25:00] | xris: | like figuring out a way to make lirc HURT. |
| [07:25:00] | xris: | or at least suffer a little |
| [07:26:00] | xris: | I just want to know why it stopped working. |
| [07:26:00] | xris: | and now I can't get it working again. keeps crashing |
| [07:26:00] | spellbound: | xris, write a program that slowly inserts random bits into the lirc binaries, slowly, one bit at a time... |
| [07:26:00] | xris: | heh |
| [07:26:00] | spellbound: | bbl |
| [07:27:00] | xris: | that hurts me, not lirc |
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| [07:41:00] | xris: | man, I have NO idea how to fix this crap |
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| [07:50:00] | defaultro: | xris, still having issues with lirc? |
| [07:51:00] | defaultro: | when you say crashing, are you saying that lirc daemon shuts down? |
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| [07:56:00] | xris: | defaultro: yes |
| [07:56:00] | xris: | first, the kernel won't create the /dev/lirc1 node properly. |
| [07:57:00] | xris: | but I can create that by hand. and lirc runs fine until I actually try to connect to it with irsend. |
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| [08:08:00] | spellbound: | xris, I haven't used lirc, but it sounds like you should focus on having it create the node automatically |
| [08:09:00] | xris: | spellbound: well, yes. |
| [08:09:00] | xris: | problem is, I know nothing about it.. following a guide that says it should work, and it doesn't. |
| [08:09:00] | xris: | think I managed to get things working an older way, though (or at least am making progress) |
| [08:09:00] | spellbound: | xris, maybe look for another guide |
| [08:10:00] | xris: | well, there are two guides... one works better (if you can get lirc to compile), the other is cleaner (doesn't require two installations of lirc) |
| [08:10:00] | spellbound: | two installations? sounds pretty weird |
| [08:11:00] | xris: | quite |
| [08:11:00] | xris: | http://losdos.dyndns.org:8080/public/mythtv-i . . . ng_LIRC_Make |
| [08:12:00] | xris: | http://www.lircsetup.com/ |
| [08:12:00] | xris: | first one has been the best for me, but it's "messy" |
| [08:12:00] | xris: | second one is preferred, but I've never actually seen it work. |
| [08:12:00] | spellbound: | I was thinking of getting an ir receiver and setting lirc up. what does the receivers cost? anything that is preferred for lirc? |
| [08:14:00] | xris: | homemade. heh |
| [08:14:00] | xris: | this is all transmitter stuff, though |
| [08:14:00] | spellbound: | thanks for the link. I'm keeping them for when I need to set it up |
| [08:14:00] | xris: | f*ck. still broken |
| [08:14:00] | spellbound: | ah. you're using it for controlling a tuner? |
| [08:15:00] | xris: | yeah |
| [08:15:00] | xris: | Dish |
| [08:15:00] | spellbound: | it doesn't have a serial port or something you can use instead? |
| [08:15:00] | spellbound: | is lirc also what is used for receiving (remote control)? |
| [08:16:00] | xris: | no, and yes. |
| [08:16:00] | xris: | hence the two instances |
| [08:16:00] | xris: | one to receive, one to send |
| [08:16:00] | spellbound: | ah |
| [08:21:00] | xris: | omg, it works again |
| [08:21:00] | xris: | now to reboot a few times to check... |
| [08:22:00] | xris: | and go mourn my burnt dessert. |
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| [08:29:00] | xris: | yay, fixed. my GAWD what a nightmare |
| [08:30:00] | spellbound: | what was wrong? |
| [08:35:00] | xris: | not really sure. |
| [08:35:00] | xris: | kernel source wasn't prepped properly, among other things (which is what finally led me down the path to success) |
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| [08:38:00] | defaultro: | xris, i'm back |
| [08:38:00] | xris: | defaultro: and I fixed it. |
| [08:39:00] | defaultro: | bam |
| [08:39:00] | defaultro: | what was the root cause? |
| [08:39:00] | spellbound: | that yum extender app is really nice. wonder why it's not installed by default |
| [08:39:00] | xris: | that lircsetup.com stuff does NOT work for me. |
| [08:39:00] | xris: | spellbound: yum extender? |
| [08:39:00] | xris: | defaultro: but at least I finally figured out why it wasn't compiling (kernel source wasn't prepped properly) |
| [08:39:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [08:40:00] | defaultro: | you should have followed my doc, it's so in ordered :) |
| [08:40:00] | spellbound: | xris, yes rjune's howto on how to add the livna repository in pointed me to it |
| [08:41:00] | spellbound: | http://www.fedorasolved.com/viewtopic.php?t=64 |
| [08:43:00] | xris: | oh... |
| [08:43:00] | xris: | yeah. there are more repositories if you want them, too.. |
| [08:43:00] | xris: | dag and dries both have nice stuff. and can't forget freshrpms |
| [08:44:00] | defaultro: | someone from linuxdvb replied to my post and he told me that this hd capture card is now supported, http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/eng/Products/ATSC.aspx |
| [08:44:00] | defaultro: | just an fyi |
| [08:44:00] | defaultro: | but i'm also interested in the fusion 5th gen gold |
| [08:45:00] | defaultro: | air2pc will be released mid or late august :( |
| [08:45:00] | xris: | feesch |
| [08:45:00] | xris: | geesch, even |
| [08:46:00] | xris: | well, I have one of the older air2pc cards... can't really use it unless I fork over $$ for a real antenna |
| [08:46:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [08:46:00] | xris: | would be good to have an hd-capable tv, too. heh |
| [08:46:00] | defaultro: | gotcha |
| [08:46:00] | defaultro: | i have 48" hd mits |
| [08:47:00] | defaultro: | i just need to save money for a nice htpc case |
| [08:47:00] | mchou: | lol, more money more money :) |
| [08:47:00] | defaultro: | hehehe |
| [08:47:00] | defaultro: | hey mchou, good evening |
| [08:47:00] | mchou: | send some mulla over here :) |
| [08:48:00] | mchou: | I need a nice case too :) |
| [08:48:00] | mchou: | hi defaultro |
| [08:48:00] | defaultro: | this product, http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/eng/Products/ATSC5Gold.aspx will be supported first before the 5th gen gets supported |
| [08:48:00] | xris: | I, um, spent my money on my yard. heh. |
| [08:48:00] | mchou: | defaultro: where you get that info? |
| [08:48:00] | defaultro: | i also spend money last month on my patio |
| [08:48:00] | defaultro: | from linuxdbv |
| [08:48:00] | defaultro: | linuxdvb |
| [08:48:00] | defaultro: | remember, last night, I posted :) |
| [08:49:00] | mchou: | that's the one sold at digitall connection, no? |
| [08:50:00] | mchou: | like the one for $110 |
| [08:50:00] | defaultro: | nope, the one you showed it the Lite |
| [08:50:00] | defaultro: | s/it/is/ |
| [08:50:00] | mchou: | ok, the one for 149 |
| [08:51:00] | mchou: | http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Video/fusion5.asp |
| [08:51:00] | defaultro: | http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/video/fusion5lt.asp |
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| [08:51:00] | defaultro: | I got that link from you yesterday |
| [08:51:00] | mchou: | sigh. I dont need the stinking remote :) |
| [08:51:00] | defaultro: | yeah, i think that link is the one |
| [08:51:00] | defaultro: | likewise |
| [08:51:00] | defaultro: | i'm very happy with my homebrew infrared |
| [08:51:00] | mchou: | crappy rf remote |
| [08:52:00] | mchou: | useless |
| [08:52:00] | mchou: | regardless, it's still cheaper than bbti. |
| [08:53:00] | mchou: | I'm cancelling my bbti order as we speak. |
| [08:53:00] | mchou: | let them know I'm no longer happy with their dealys and pricing. |
| [08:54:00] | mchou: | delays* |
| [08:54:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [08:54:00] | defaultro: | i cancelled by 2 months ago |
| [08:54:00] | mchou: | good for you. |
| [08:54:00] | mchou: | I should have done the same. |
| [08:55:00] | defaultro: | glad that there are good guys out there writing the code for hdtv cards |
| [08:55:00] | mchou: | yeah. |
| [08:55:00] | mchou: | it's really a shame, though. |
| [08:55:00] | defaultro: | if i have enough money, I'll send some |
| [08:55:00] | defaultro: | for funding |
| [08:55:00] | mchou: | bbti provided a lot of knowhow. |
| [08:55:00] | mchou: | and Fusion is benefiting. sigh. |
| [08:56:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [08:56:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [08:56:00] | mchou: | Fusion didnt provide shit. |
| [08:56:00] | defaultro: | i know |
| [08:56:00] | defaultro: | are they a started company? |
| [08:56:00] | defaultro: | DVICO? |
| [08:56:00] | defaultro: | starter |
| [08:56:00] | mchou: | yeah, korean company. |
| [08:56:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [08:56:00] | mchou: | They've been around for quite some time. |
| [08:57:00] | mchou: | at least 3–4 yrs. |
| [08:57:00] | defaultro: | btw, you are right about fusion 3, it's supported |
| [08:57:00] | mchou: | if not longer. |
| [08:57:00] | mchou: | bah, no one wants fusion 3 right now :) |
| [08:57:00] | mchou: | 5 is where it's at :) |
| [08:58:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [08:59:00] | mchou: | I wonder if dvico supplies low profile bracket |
| [09:01:00] | mchou: | http://www.copperbox.com/lite/fusion5.php |
| [09:02:00] | defaultro: | ok |
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| [09:03:00] | mchou: | no sales tax helps :) |
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| [09:03:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [09:04:00] | defaultro: | so that lite doesn't have remote |
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| [09:04:00] | mchou: | and it uses bt878 |
| [09:04:00] | mchou: | which actually might be easier to write code for in linux. |
| [09:04:00] | defaultro: | they have different chip |
| [09:04:00] | Russ: | ok, so I figured out overscan, which improved my picture quality alot |
| [09:05:00] | Russ: | now, my next problem is interlacing |
| [09:05:00] | mchou: | I wonder why ppl want to do the cx88 first. |
| [09:05:00] | Russ: | when I display on TV, and you want the news ticker on the bottom, the I's are vertical zigzags unless you pause |
| [09:05:00] | mchou: | cx88 driver is hardly stable |
| [09:05:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [09:05:00] | Russ: | Do I want a deinterlace filter on my tvout? |
| [09:05:00] | Russ: | don't I wan't interlaced output? |
| [09:06:00] | defaultro: | mchou, I'm so sleepy, I'll head to my bed now |
| [09:06:00] | defaultro: | I'll chat with you tomorrow |
| [09:06:00] | mchou: | defaultro: ok, later. |
| [09:06:00] | defaultro: | gnite |
| [09:07:00] | Russ: | does mythtv record in an interlaced mode? |
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| [09:16:00] | MonMotha: | Russ: seems to just do whatever your capture card feeds it, which is interlaced in almost all cases |
| [09:16:00] | Russ: | ok, but as I watch the I go across the screen, I see: |
| [09:16:00] | Russ: | -- |
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| [09:17:00] | Russ: | showing that there is some problem with interlacing |
| [09:17:00] | Russ: | I've heard to use bob 2x deinterlacing over sivideo |
| [09:17:00] | MonMotha: | MythTV seems to have no concept of trying to not scale video, and scaling interlaced stuff hasbeen known to do crazy thing |
| [09:17:00] | Russ: | but it taken the image, half scales it in the vertical direction, and then duplicates it |
| [09:18:00] | Russ: | so you think it tried to scale across scanlines? |
| [09:18:00] | MonMotha: | quite possibly |
| [09:18:00] | Russ: | I'm recording at 480x480 |
| [09:18:00] | Russ: | and my rxes in 720x480 |
| [09:18:00] | Russ: | so I would think it'd be ok |
| [09:18:00] | MonMotha: | but that doesn't mean that MythTV isn't scaling it stupidly |
| [09:18:00] | Russ: | I have overscan enabled in my xf86config, although, it doesn't seem to line up perfectly with what the TV tuner displays |
| [09:19:00] | Russ: | I'm pretty sure it isn't doing any vertical scaling |
| [09:19:00] | MonMotha: | it might be wanting to crop some stuff off as an attempt at faking overscan, then it'll scale the output back up to 480 lines |
| [09:19:00] | Russ: | does some tv hardware not support interlaced output? |
| [09:19:00] | ShockValue: | is there some setting to reverse left/right channels in mythtv? when i use xine to play dvd's the sound is right, but while watchign television it's backwards |
| [09:19:00] | MonMotha: | most TV encoders on consumer level gxf cards suck :) |
| [09:20:00] | xris: | Russ: I wish my hardware would NOT interlace the output... would save on deinterlacing it beforehand. |
| [09:20:00] | MonMotha: | the solution here is to just not scale anything if you can avoid it |
| [09:20:00] | MonMotha: | however, the TV encoders on nvidia cards won't let you feed them anything resembling a native TV mode |
| [09:21:00] | MonMotha: | so you end up having to scale |
| [09:21:00] | Russ: | from what I hear, bob 2x is the best option for an interlaced display, it seem that it cheats by doubling the framerate |
| [09:21:00] | Russ: | but it just don't work on my display |
| [09:21:00] | Russ: | maybe its my modeline |
| [09:21:00] | ShockValue: | bob2 makes my OSD flicker |
| [09:21:00] | MonMotha: | well, if you're outputting to a TV, there's no reason to deinterlace unless you're scaling |
| [09:21:00] | MonMotha: | since your TV is interlaced (unless it's an HD set running a progressive mode) |
| [09:21:00] | Russ: | but I don't think I'm scaling... |
| [09:22:00] | Russ: | no, its a plain old TV |
| [09:22:00] | MonMotha: | you probably are |
| [09:22:00] | MonMotha: | how are you outputting to your TV? |
| [09:22:00] | Russ: | how do I get it to stop doing that |
| [09:22:00] | MonMotha: | TV encoder on a ATI or nVidia card? |
| [09:22:00] | Russ: | I have a via epia, svideo->tv |
| [09:23:00] | MonMotha: | ok, what mode are you using? |
| [09:23:00] | ShockValue: | i learned today that recording regular SD television and scaling it to 16x9 1365x768 looks like garbage :) |
| [09:23:00] | Russ: | "720x480" 26.7 720 736 808 896 480 481 484 497 |
| [09:23:00] | MonMotha: | that's being scan converted |
| [09:23:00] | Russ: | hmm |
| [09:23:00] | MonMotha: | for one, it's not interlaced |
| [09:23:00] | Russ: | I'm horrible with modelines |
| [09:24:00] | MonMotha: | Try ModeLine "NTSCspec-59.94i" 14.318 768 784 848 910 483 484 492 525 Interlace |
| [09:24:00] | MonMotha: | (if you're in NTSC land) |
| [09:25:00] | MonMotha: | that's not exact, but it's close enough that most TVs can sync natively |
| [09:25:00] | MonMotha: | that doesn't mean your TV output won't still rescan it |
| [09:26:00] | MonMotha: | the TV output on my video card only accepts 640x480, 800x600, or 1024x768 VESA modes |
| [09:27:00] | MonMotha: | which makes it next to useless |
| [09:27:00] | MonMotha: | aspect ratio is all wrong, the sync rates are way off, they're progressive... |
| [09:28:00] | MonMotha: | I'm tempted to go build a colorspace converter and half sync the horizontal on the VGA RGB output and try to get my TV to sync to it |
| [09:29:00] | MonMotha: | ShockValue: oh, and yes it does. Hence why you should use HD :) |
| [09:30:00] | Russ: | I don't think it worked |
| [09:30:00] | Russ: | GetModeLine – scrn: 0 clock: 26700 |
| [09:30:00] | Russ: | GetModeLine – hdsp: 720 hbeg: 736 hend: 808 httl: 896 |
| [09:30:00] | Russ: | vdsp: 480 vbeg: 481 vend: 484 vttl: 497 flags: 0 |
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| [09:30:00] | Russ: | hmm |
| [09:30:00] | MonMotha: | most of that hardware is designed to convert standard PC modes to things that a TV can display, at the expense of scaling and resyncint it all |
| [09:30:00] | Russ: | I think I screwed up the config |
| [09:30:00] | Russ: | (II) VIA(0): Not using mode "NTSCspec-59.94i" (no mode of this name) |
| [09:30:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, you didn't define it right |
| [09:31:00] | Russ: | (II) VIA(0): Not using mode "NTSCspec-59.94i" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) |
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| [09:32:00] | MonMotha: | the dot clock may be too low for your hardware, or it may not allow interlaced output |
| [09:32:00] | Russ: | anything I can try? |
| [09:32:00] | MonMotha: | a non-shitty TV encoder (which is VERY expensive)? :) |
| [09:32:00] | Russ: | (II) VIA(0): Clock range: 20.00 to 230.00 MHz |
| [09:32:00] | MonMotha: | there's the reason |
| [09:32:00] | MonMotha: | try doublescanning it |
| [09:33:00] | Russ: | forgive me, but how? |
| [09:33:00] | MonMotha: | double the dot clock (first number) and make it say Interlace,Doublescan |
| [09:34:00] | MonMotha: | maybe a space instead of a comma, I don't remember |
| [09:35:00] | Russ: | still (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan |
| [09:36:00] | MonMotha: | no clue then, I haven't done this stuff in a while |
| [09:38:00] | Gumby: | MonMotha: are you THE monmotha that created the iptables script? |
| [09:38:00] | MonMotha: | Russ: ModeLine "Broadcast-59.94i" 483 484 492 525 Interlace |
| [09:38:00] | MonMotha: | try that |
| [09:38:00] | MonMotha: | that should let it try to work out it's own dot clock, but it may come up with a bad hsync |
| [09:38:00] | MonMotha: | Gumby: yes |
| [09:39:00] | Gumby: | http://www.mplug.org/phpwiki/index.php?MonMothaKnownBugs which gives a 404 error |
| [09:39:00] | Gumby: | just thought you might want a heads up |
| [09:39:00] | darkfire: | man, wish people asked me if i was THE darkfire |
| [09:39:00] | MonMotha: | known, I'm just too lazy to release a new version. It hink there's a note about that on the front page (monmotha.mplug.org) |
| [09:39:00] | MonMotha: | it moved to www.hosef.org wiki |
| [09:39:00] | Gumby: | might be good to update the script itself also |
| [09:40:00] | Gumby: | who knows if people have linked directly to the file or not |
| [09:40:00] | MonMotha: | yeah |
| [09:40:00] | MonMotha: | I don't really maintain the script anymore, so I haven't bothered :) |
| [09:40:00] | Gumby: | IC |
| [09:40:00] | Russ: | people ask me if I'm the russ |
| [09:40:00] | Gumby: | lol |
| [09:40:00] | Gumby: | ok |
| [09:41:00] | Russ: | I always have to say, no, I'm not rmk, or no, I'm not rusty |
| [09:42:00] | Russ: | monkeyontherun: it says the modeline is expecting an htotal |
| [09:42:00] | MonMotha: | ok, that's not a syntax I'm used to for a modeline, so Im' not surprised it didn't work |
| [09:42:00] | MonMotha: | I got that off a website |
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| [09:43:00] | Russ: | it will take Modeline "NTSCspec-59.94p" 28.64 768 784 848 910 483 484 492 525 |
| [09:43:00] | Russ: | oh, wait, it segfaulted |
| [09:44:00] | MonMotha: | that's progressive, though |
| [09:44:00] | Russ: | VIASetModeUseBIOSTable: Cannot find suitable mode!! |
| [09:44:00] | Russ: | Mode setting in XF86Config(-4) is not supported!! |
| [09:44:00] | MonMotha: | bwahaahaa! |
| [09:44:00] | MonMotha: | I think your driver is crippled |
| [09:44:00] | MonMotha: | probably because the hardware is crippled |
| [09:44:00] | Russ: | it is a via epia |
| [09:44:00] | MonMotha: | see second remark :) |
| [09:47:00] | Russ: | it took ModeLine "NTSC-DVD-59.94p" 27.0 720 736 800 858 480 484 492 525, wonder if it'll be any good |
| [09:47:00] | MonMotha: | wow, the back to school ads are already starting |
| [09:47:00] | MonMotha: | that's progressive |
| [09:48:00] | Russ: | if I can get bob2x to work on progressive, I think it might be correct |
| [09:49:00] | Russ: | btw, I also want to run quickdnr on the video |
| [09:49:00] | Russ: | but that option crashes my frontend |
| [09:49:00] | Russ: | so I'd like to do the filter on my backend |
| [09:50:00] | Russ: | but it looks like I'd have to enter it manually for every channel unless I made some sql script |
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| [10:40:00] | Russ: | aparently, I have a VT1622 TV encoder that X detects |
| [10:47:00] | Russ: | dunno if that helps |
| [10:47:00] | Russ: | also, x.org, everything is green, and overscan stops working, but bob2 doesn't screw up... |
| [10:48:00] | laga: | Russ: if you want to use any deinterlacing filters, you need to make sure that your cpu supports mmx oder sse |
| [10:48:00] | laga: | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| [10:49:00] | Russ: | bob 2x doesn't require mmx or sse |
| [10:49:00] | Russ: | just xv |
| [10:49:00] | Russ: | but my cpu does support mmx |
| [10:50:00] | laga: | that's odd then |
| [10:50:00] | Russ: | the bob 2x problem seems like it might be some sort of xv problem |
| [10:50:00] | Russ: | like bad driver |
| [10:50:00] | laga: | possible |
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| [10:53:00] | Russ: | bob seems to be made specifically for deinterlaced output to an interlaced display |
| [10:55:00] | laga: | i've heard that it only works well with nvidia and via cards. otherwise, the picture will seem to bounce up and down |
| [10:55:00] | Russ: | it is a via |
| [10:55:00] | Russ: | I just can't get rid of interlace artifacts |
| [10:56:00] | MonMotha: | try the kerneldeint filter |
| [10:56:00] | MonMotha: | or, worst comes to worst, onefield will have no artifacting, at the expense of giving you half vertical res |
| [10:56:00] | Russ: | I've tried linearblend |
| [10:56:00] | Russ: | the effects are still there |
| [10:57:00] | Russ: | I cn't do kerneldeint because the processor does not have sse |
| [11:00:00] | MonMotha: | try onefield |
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| [11:00:00] | MonMotha: | if you still have things that look like interlace artifacts, it's not the deinterlacing process |
| [11:01:00] | stang: | Has anyone running gentoo got a 150/500 mce to work? |
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| [11:02:00] | Russ: | onefield has the same artifacts |
| [11:03:00] | Russ: | its like its updating the scanlines in the exact opposite order that it should be |
| [11:05:00] | MonMotha: | ok, then it's not the deinterlacing process |
| [11:05:00] | MonMotha: | of course, it would be ideal to simply never deinterlace it |
| [11:05:00] | Russ: | how do I do that? |
| [11:05:00] | MonMotha: | but that really only works as intended if you don't scale it at all, or scale it by integer amounts only |
| [11:05:00] | MonMotha: | just turn off deinterlacing |
| [11:06:00] | Russ: | I want to always do 480 scanlines |
| [11:06:00] | Russ: | where do I turn off deinterlacing? |
| [11:06:00] | MonMotha: | um, right next to where you change the altorithm |
| [11:06:00] | Russ: | oh yea, that was my first impulse |
| [11:06:00] | Russ: | don't check the deinterlace box |
| [11:07:00] | Russ: | some squiggly I's on the news ticker |
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| [11:08:00] | MonMotha: | well, it's still interlaced |
| [11:08:00] | MonMotha: | what I want to know is how the hell you can see this on a TV screen in the first place |
| [11:08:00] | MonMotha: | must be a rather nice TV |
| [11:08:00] | Russ: | it does taken much |
| [11:08:00] | Russ: | turn to fox or cnn |
| [11:08:00] | Russ: | and watch the news ticker go by |
| [11:09:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, there's this squiggle thingie going on |
| [11:09:00] | MonMotha: | that's just what happens with interlacing |
| [11:09:00] | MonMotha: | you can't really do much about it |
| [11:09:00] | Russ: | any vertical leters end up as odvious zig-zags if you have this problem |
| [11:09:00] | Russ: | it doesn't happen on my crt |
| [11:09:00] | MonMotha: | happens any time there's lots of horizontal motion |
| [11:09:00] | Russ: | it doesn't happen if I just use my TV's turner |
| [11:09:00] | Russ: | er, tuner |
| [11:09:00] | MonMotha: | you "CRT" as in a computer monitor? |
| [11:09:00] | Russ: | right |
| [11:09:00] | MonMotha: | ok, do you even know how interlacing works? |
| [11:09:00] | Russ: | I do |
| [11:10:00] | MonMotha: | doesn't sound like it |
| [11:10:00] | Russ: | everyone frame is the other set of scanlines |
| [11:10:00] | MonMotha: | yes, offset in time |
| [11:10:00] | Russ: | er, every other |
| [11:10:00] | Russ: | right |
| [11:10:00] | MonMotha: | so, there's going to be squiggles |
| [11:10:00] | Russ: | but I'm saying that if I view the ticker through my tv tuner, I can't see squiglies |
| [11:10:00] | MonMotha: | now, you can play some tricks to make it less visible |
| [11:10:00] | Russ: | this effect is very pronounced |
| [11:10:00] | MonMotha: | oh, then your TV output hardware probably just sucks |
| [11:10:00] | MonMotha: | most does |
| [11:11:00] | MonMotha: | either that or MythTV is scaling when it shouldn't be and introducing even more ugliness, which it likes to do |
| [11:11:00] | Russ: | Its like a /\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
| [11:11:00] | Russ: | but vertically |
| [11:11:00] | Russ: | maybe if I use the unichrome driver I'll have better luck |
| [11:12:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, that's how interlace "noise" looks, usually just small enough that if you're not pressing your nose up tot he screen you wont' see it |
| [11:12:00] | Russ: | it even supports xvmc |
| [11:12:00] | Russ: | oh, you can see this from a distance |
| [11:12:00] | MonMotha: | your computer monitor is a different beast entirely since it's drawing progressive |
| [11:12:00] | Russ: | I know |
| [11:12:00] | Russ: | the kernel filter with the quickdnr looks really nice on my crt |
| [11:12:00] | MonMotha: | interlace noise isn't as bad partially because of the fact that the phosphors are dimming by the time the next field comes up |
| [11:13:00] | MonMotha: | yes, kerneldeint is a very good deinterlacer |
| [11:13:00] | Russ: | I'd like to be able to run bob 2x framerate if possible |
| [11:13:00] | Russ: | because then pausing livetv would look ok |
| [11:14:00] | MonMotha: | I don't see how this can possibly look that bad |
| [11:15:00] | MonMotha: | I'm doing some of the worst possible things to my TV out, and even paused live tv looks just fine until I'm <6" from my 23" TV |
| [11:15:00] | Russ: | like I said, this is very pronounced |
| [11:16:00] | MonMotha: | worst I get is on really fast stuff, I get something that looks like a motion blur, not interlaced nastiness |
| [11:16:00] | Russ: | right, the news ticker is fairly slow |
| [11:17:00] | Russ: | I really wish I had a digital camera |
| [11:17:00] | MonMotha: | heh, have fun trying to take a picture of a CRT |
| [11:18:00] | Russ: | I would just need to take enough pictures |
| [11:20:00] | Russ: | its like each scanline, its jumping over about 3 pixels |
| [11:20:00] | Russ: | and then back the other way 3 pixels |
| [11:20:00] | Russ: | probably more than that |
| [11:22:00] | Russ: | and the really strange thing |
| [11:22:00] | Russ: | even with no deinterlacing filters, when I pause livetv, I see no interlace effects in the ticker |
| [11:23:00] | MonMotha: | oh, my nvidia card was doing that for some reason...never figured out what. Only did it on DVI and fullscreen xv though |
| [11:24:00] | MonMotha: | bleh, debian broke their dependencies with the transition to xorg |
| [11:24:00] | Russ: | with my crt, if I turn off deinterlacing, I can see the interlace effects in the paused text, but its very slight |
| [11:24:00] | MonMotha: | it should be very slight. The text on those tickers just isn't moving very fast |
| [11:24:00] | Russ: | MonMotha: just add testing and stable to your sources.list, and add /testing and /stable to package names as necessary |
| [11:24:00] | MonMotha: | remember, it's only offset by 1/29.97sec |
| [11:25:00] | MonMotha: | I'm running UNSTABLE |
| [11:25:00] | Russ: | right, so when I look at my crt, paused with no deinterlacing, it does look very slight |
| [11:25:00] | MonMotha: | I didn't even think xorg was in stable |
| [11:25:00] | Russ: | I know |
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| [11:25:00] | Russ: | its not |
| [11:25:00] | Russ: | but you can still use packages from stable and testing to fill some dependancies |
| [11:25:00] | MonMotha: | or I could just unbreak xine |
| [11:26:00] | Russ: | the effect I see on the TV is about 3 times the effect I see on a paused progressive display without deinterlacing |
| [11:26:00] | MonMotha: | the dependent packages still exist, they just conflict with the xorg version. THe problem is that xine names the xfree86 side |
| [11:26:00] | MonMotha: | oh, then it's probably your TV encoder being stupid |
| [11:26:00] | Russ: | sight |
| [11:26:00] | Russ: | er |
| [11:26:00] | Russ: | sigh |
| [11:26:00] | MonMotha: | if you can see it on a TV, it's probably not even an interlacing issue |
| [11:26:00] | MonMotha: | TVs look just fine interlaced |
| [11:26:00] | poonj_: | what does interlacing mean? |
| [11:27:00] | Russ: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlacing |
| [11:27:00] | MonMotha: | poonj_: it's an ugly hack |
| [11:27:00] | MonMotha: | they wanted 60fps video with the bandwidth of 30fps video |
| [11:28:00] | MonMotha: | even that's being niice |
| [11:28:00] | MonMotha: | they wanted 60Hz refresh on TVs so they wouldn't appear to flicker, but only wanted the bandwidth of 30Hz video |
| [11:28:00] | Russ: | I thought it was they wanted 24 fps using 12 |
| [11:29:00] | MonMotha: | no |
| [11:29:00] | MonMotha: | film does a different trick. Film is 24fps progressive, but they flash each frame 3 times (sometimes more, occasionaly only 2) to make it flicker less |
| [11:30:00] | MonMotha: | NTSC TV is 59.94 fields per second |
| [11:30:00] | Russ: | ah |
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| [11:32:00] | Russ: | maybe I need a refresh of 59.94 for bob |
| [11:32:00] | Russ: | bah, it says that hsync is out of range |
| [11:33:00] | adante: | i'm finding when i watch tv/videos while transcode is running in the background (nice'd 17) it occassionally jerks and locks, is there much i can do about this? |
| [11:33:00] | adante: | /is this a problem more with os scheduling |
| [11:34:00] | Russ: | you have dma on on the drive? |
| [11:34:00] | adante: | yeah |
| [11:35:00] | Russ: | I would think it migth be io contention |
| [11:35:00] | Russ: | but what do I know |
| [11:36:00] | Russ: | If I just want a better tvout, what should I buy? |
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| [11:55:00] | adante: | infact atm i have an instance of mythtranscode which is absolutely flogging my system |
| [11:55:00] | adante: | using a gig and half of virtual memory |
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| [12:00:00] | adante: | is mythtranscode supposed to eat this much memory generally? |
| [12:00:00] | adante: | i've never noticed before but then neither has my system been so sluggish |
| [12:05:00] | laga: | no. |
| [12:05:00] | adante: | everytime i start mythbackend an instance of mythtranscode starts which quickly ramps up to a few gigs of virtual memory before freezing the system |
| [12:05:00] | adante: | where should i be looking to troubleshoot this error? |
| [12:07:00] | adante: | any idea why it might do this? |
| [12:07:00] | adante: | it started shortly after i ran out of hdd space, which i've now addressed |
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| [12:17:00] | Russ: | look at your logs |
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| [12:42:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | hi – i was trying to compile from cvs yesterday (did cvs up), would that code be very old, now the devs use subversion? |
| [12:43:00] | laga: | umm, yep |
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| [12:44:00] | MonMotha: | Russ: BTW, which Russ are you? |
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| [12:54:00] | MonMotha: | yea converting about 200MB mbox to a Maildir |
| [12:56:00] | Tommck: | any widescreen HDTV users in here? |
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| [13:07:00] | MonMotha: | Tommck: ask a real question, there are plenty |
| [13:09:00] | Tommck: | Well, an avsforum posting says "use progressive resolutions like 960x540p instead of 1920x1080i wherever and whenever possible". |
| [13:09:00] | Tommck: | While I know that progressive resolutions are nicer, why would you sacrifice 1/2 the horizonal resolution? |
| [13:10:00] | Tommck: | I'm currently running at 960x540p |
| [13:11:00] | Tommck: | and was trying to get to 1920x540p, which, I was thinkin, would be the best of both worlds. |
| [13:11:00] | MonMotha: | your TV likely can't do it |
| [13:11:00] | MonMotha: | try 1280x720 progressive |
| [13:11:00] | Tommck: | sure it can |
| [13:11:00] | MonMotha: | that's ATSC 720p |
| [13:11:00] | Tommck: | and that, my TV can't do |
| [13:11:00] | Tommck: | it's a Mitsu WS-65909 |
| [13:11:00] | MonMotha: | well, first off, is this a CRT or some sort of digital projection? |
| [13:11:00] | Tommck: | rear proj... doesn't do 720p |
| [13:12:00] | Tommck: | does 1080i and 480p |
| [13:12:00] | Tommck: | but passing it 540p makes for a nice 1080 image |
| [13:12:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, just use one field deinterlace |
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| [13:12:00] | MonMotha: | vertical resolution will suck, though |
| [13:12:00] | MonMotha: | if you've got a CRT, just use real 1080i |
| [13:12:00] | MonMotha: | it won't look bad at all |
| [13:13:00] | Tommck: | well, it's a rear projector... it's CRT-ish, isn't it? (non-DLP... it's the old fashioned kind) |
| [13:13:00] | MonMotha: | the issue is feeding interlaced modes to things that are inherently progressive (like DLPs or LCDs) |
| [13:13:00] | MonMotha: | CRT rear projection |
| [13:13:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [13:13:00] | MonMotha: | just feed it 1080i |
| [13:13:00] | MonMotha: | I'm surprised it can't do 720p though, many of the 1080i CRT projection sets can |
| [13:13:00] | Tommck: | right... the problem is finding the modeline... Mitsu is very tightlipped about the specs of their TVs |
| [13:14:00] | Tommck: | MonMotha – it won't display 720p... unsupported... the TV's about 3 years old and was top of the line then |
| [13:14:00] | Tommck: | (well, there was a 73" one then too) |
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| [13:17:00] | MonMotha: | using DVI? |
| [13:17:00] | Tommck: | doesn't have DVI |
| [13:18:00] | MonMotha: | how are you driving it w/ the computer? |
| [13:18:00] | Tommck: | using VGA converted to component with an AA 9a60 |
| [13:18:00] | MonMotha: | wtf is an AA9a60? |
| [13:18:00] | MonMotha: | ModeLine "ATSC-1080–59.94i" 74.176 1920 1960 2016 2200 1080 1082 1088 1125 Interlace |
| [13:18:00] | MonMotha: | that's about the closest you're going to get to 1080i with a PC |
| [13:19:00] | Tommck: | Audio Authority 9a60 – it converts VGA to component as a passthrough |
| [13:19:00] | MonMotha: | ok, so just a colorspace converter, no scan conversion? |
| [13:19:00] | Tommck: | I've tried tons of "canned" 1080 modes from online and none of them have worked |
| [13:19:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [13:19:00] | Tommck: | I tried all of Jarod's suggestions to no avail |
| [13:19:00] | Tommck: | (if that's where you go thtat) |
| [13:19:00] | MonMotha: | have you verified that the TV will actually accept 1080i on the component input? |
| [13:19:00] | Tommck: | sure |
| [13:20:00] | Tommck: | at least from the manual |
| [13:20:00] | Tommck: | it's an HD input |
| [13:20:00] | Tommck: | right on the jacks, it says "1080i" as one of the options |
| [13:20:00] | MonMotha: | I'd try hooking a real 1080i source up to it and seeing if it works |
| [13:20:00] | Tommck: | I have... it works fine |
| [13:20:00] | MonMotha: | really... |
| [13:21:00] | MonMotha: | don't know what to tell you. I've done 720p using DVI to my DLP and the thing doesn't even know I've got a PC hooked up to it |
| [13:21:00] | MonMotha: | most CRTs are actually remarkably lax in their timing requirements too |
| [13:21:00] | Tommck: | right. DVI would be easier |
| [13:21:00] | MonMotha: | what does it do when you try to feed it 1080i? |
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| [13:22:00] | steven_h: | Does anyone here know how to go about fixing the display of international characters (accents/etc) in the mythmusic playlists? Currently, each special character looks like two white boxes... any ideas? |
| [13:22:00] | MonMotha: | I don't actually have a spec for the ATSC HD modes, so I can't go create a "correct" modeline |
| [13:22:00] | Tommck: | all sorts of issues... blue screen (no signal – signal out of range) or horizontal flickering with fat bars of black on the sides... I try fiddling with it and it doesn't quite get there |
| [13:22:00] | Tommck: | I've spent hours playing before... |
| [13:22:00] | Tommck: | and I'm about to start again :) |
| [13:23:00] | MonMotha: | I can go look at the ATSC spec and see what info they give... |
| [13:24:00] | Tommck: | It seems weird to me that different TVs need different modelines anyway... I don't understand how it could vary and still be a standard... |
| [13:24:00] | Tommck: | but I tried the "standard modelines" that Jarod posted and they didn't work |
| [13:26:00] | MonMotha: | Tommck: the problem is that the actual standard is really wonky and hard to hit exactly with a PC video card |
| [13:26:00] | MonMotha: | I don't have a copy handy (and Im' actually on the clock for a project) |
| [13:26:00] | MonMotha: | I can look later |
| [13:26:00] | Tommck: | cool |
| [13:27:00] | Tommck: | but, still, if one person gets 1080i to work with a particular video card, why can't another, with the same card, get it to work on a different TV... that doesn' t make sense to me |
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| [13:28:00] | MonMotha: | Tommck: some TVs are more picky than others, and some will tolerate deviation from the spec in one way but not the other so much |
| [13:29:00] | Tommck: | ahh.. guess that makes sense |
| [13:29:00] | MonMotha: | I've attempted to hit actual NTSC timings with a regular PC video card. It's damned well impossible to get it exact, but you can usually tweak it enough to make a particular TV happy |
| [13:29:00] | Tommck: | ah |
| [13:29:00] | MonMotha: | the reason is that the old standards were defined before digital stuff, and with sampling rates on normal PC gear, the "actual" numbers work out to non-integers |
| [13:29:00] | Tommck: | right... float values |
| [13:30:00] | MonMotha: | now the new stuff should all be based on the standard 13.5MHz sampling rate...but who knows |
| [13:30:00] | MonMotha: | http://host69.ipowerweb.com/~yiphomen/content/aho/ should make your head spin |
| [13:33:00] | MonMotha: | gah, Mozilla Mail/Thunderbird appears to have broken IMAP support |
| [13:36:00] | MonMotha: | it almost properly handles it, but not completely |
| [13:36:00] | Tommck: | interesting |
| [13:37:00] | MonMotha: | bah, and then Exchange's IMAP is also broken... |
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| [15:09:00] | Tommck: | I am using powerstrip to determine the proper timings to use with my TV and I came across something weird... I tried 1920x540p and it worked fine with my Windows 2000 box... when I used the modeline in Linux, however, the display area was twice as wide as the screen. anyone know why this is? |
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| [15:32:00] | Tommck: | nobody knows why a functioning powerstrip mode in windows creates a double-wde destkop in Linux? |
| [15:33:00] | laga: | driver-bug? |
| [15:33:00] | Tommck: | laga – dunno... |
| [15:34:00] | Tommck: | the desktop just winds up being twice as wide .. I have a scrolling desktop |
| [15:34:00] | laga: | virtual size? |
| [15:34:00] | Tommck: | yeah... strange.. |
| [15:35:00] | laga: | there is a setting called 'virtual size', set it to 1920x540 |
| [15:35:00] | Tommck: | do you know where that is? |
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| [15:35:00] | laga: | Tommck: somewhere in the xorg.conf, dunno where exactly :/ |
| [15:35:00] | Tommck: | oh.. I'll google |
| [15:38:00] | Tommck: | that didn't do it |
| [15:38:00] | Tommck: | (it's a "Screen" option" |
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| [15:39:00] | Tommck: | oh.. that's for virtual desktop size... I don't want a virtual desktop, but it seems to be choosing to use one |
| [15:40:00] | Tommck: | Well, the only difference between the Windows and Linux is that I'm using a different video card... |
| [15:40:00] | Tommck: | I guess I could swap cards to make sure |
| [15:40:00] | Tommck: | then there'd be no difference, n'est-ce pas? |
| [15:42:00] | ** laga googles for the 'english, motherfucker. do you peak it?' picture ** | |
| [15:42:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [15:42:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [15:43:00] | Tommck: | am I right? |
| [15:43:00] | laga: | yep, you are right. |
| [15:43:00] | Tommck: | dammit... really didn't want to swap video cards, but I guess that's what I'm going to have to do |
| [15:44:00] | Tommck: | hey... is it hard to downgrade nVidia drivers? (I'm thinking about upgrading to try those, but don't want to be screwed) |
| [15:45:00] | laga: | it should be hard. just back up your system to be sure ;) |
| [15:45:00] | Tommck: | do you mean "shouldn't" ? |
| [15:45:00] | laga: | err, yes. indeed. |
| [15:45:00] | Tommck: | hehe.. |
| [15:45:00] | Tommck: | you don't happen to know how to determine what version I'm already running do you? |
| [15:46:00] | laga: | ls -al /usr/lib/*vidia* |
| [15:46:00] | Tommck: | no such file :) |
| [15:46:00] | laga: | heh |
| [15:47:00] | laga: | sorry, i dont have the nvidia driver installed |
| [15:47:00] | laga: | modinfo nvidia.ko? |
| [15:47:00] | laga: | but that would be only for the lkm |
| [15:49:00] | Tommck: | hmmm... still not finding it yet |
| [15:50:00] | Tommck: | crap... the driver is 11MB.. and the weather blew out my satellite... downloading over the modem |
| [15:50:00] | Tommck: | laga – wanna hear something really annoying? |
| [15:50:00] | laga: | why not? |
| [15:50:00] | Tommck: | My Mitsubishi RP HDTV has a VGA port... the jack and the manual say that it only supports 640x480... |
| [15:51:00] | laga: | that sucks |
| [15:51:00] | Tommck: | So I spent $100 + on an Audio Authority 9a60.... |
| [15:51:00] | Tommck: | been using it for months |
| [15:51:00] | Tommck: | then I just read today that they lied |
| [15:51:00] | Tommck: | the VGA port works FRIGGIN FINE! |
| [15:51:00] | laga: | umm, be happy ;)) |
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| [15:51:00] | Tommck: | I pissed away money on the AA 9a60 for no reason! |
| [15:51:00] | Tommck: | god, that's annoying |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | www.ebay.com ;) |
| [15:52:00] | Tommck: | I'm running Myth through the VGA connection right now |
| [15:52:00] | Tommck: | yeah, exactly |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | looks great, huh? |
| [15:52:00] | Tommck: | truly obnoxious though |
| [15:52:00] | Tommck: | looks the same |
| [15:52:00] | Tommck: | (as far as I can tell) |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | heh |
| [15:53:00] | laga: | oh yeah, this vga -> component stuff does hdtv, too |
| [15:53:00] | Tommck: | that is just so irritating though... why couldn't they say "we'll only support 640x480, but you can try others" or something? |
| [15:53:00] | Tommck: | brb |
| [15:53:00] | laga: | because they're idiots? ;) |
| [16:00:00] | Tommck: | back |
| [16:00:00] | diamon: | Tommck: Or they fear their end-users are idiots, instead of technically capable folks... I keep forgetting how moronic the 'average' person can be. A lady left her dogs in a car in the sun with all windows up yesterday, came back in an hour and was screaming "Oh, why did this happen?!" Ummm, DUH! |
| [16:00:00] | Tommck: | they're just covering their asses |
| [16:01:00] | diamon: | Yep, probably. |
| [16:01:00] | Tommck: | if you just connect a 1280x1024 image to it with wacked out settings, it could probably fry the TV |
| [16:01:00] | diamon: | Or the input is limited to 100hz max refresh, or who knows what-all. |
| [16:02:00] | Tommck: | don't know |
| [16:03:00] | laga: | diamon: was the dog dead? |
| [16:03:00] | stoffel: | no, well done ;) |
| [16:04:00] | diamon: | Both of them, yeah. And she was surprised, leaving them in a roasting car in FL. |
| [16:04:00] | diamon: | DUH! |
| [16:04:00] | diamon: | Arrgh, I hate crap like that. |
| [16:04:00] | laga: | idiots |
| [16:04:00] | Tommck: | diamon – did someone call the cops? |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | she could be arrested for cruelty to animals |
| [16:05:00] | diamon: | Yep, but they didn't do anything while I was there. WAY too hot for me to stand out there, much less slow-roast in a closed-up car... |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [16:06:00] | Tommck: | that woman should be shot |
| [16:07:00] | laga: | no, locked in a car with the windows up on a lovely, sunny day... |
| [16:07:00] | Tommck: | :) |
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| [16:08:00] | Tommck: | brb |
| [16:08:00] | diamon: | Yeah, but sadly it doesn't look like she will be. I'll be glad if they give her a ticket. All I hope is that she learned something... Those dogs that died were her cellphone's background, so at least they meant something. |
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| [16:09:00] | diamon: | I just wish they'd meant enough to not be left in the parking lot of a Wendy's burger joint for an hour or two. |
| [16:10:00] | laga: | that happened in the US of A, right? |
| [16:10:00] | Tommck_: | the weather got better... off dialup :) |
| [16:11:00] | laga: | heh |
| [16:11:00] | diamon: | Yep, Florida. |
| [16:11:00] | laga: | well, that would explain a few things :> |
| [16:11:00] | Tommck_: | laga – ptttttthhhhh! |
| [16:11:00] | diamon: | Tommck: How does the weather affect your connection? Wireless ptp? |
| [16:12:00] | Tommck_: | diamon – Satellite |
| [16:12:00] | diamon: | Ah! |
| [16:13:00] | Tommck_: | sucks ass |
| [16:14:00] | diamon: | I'm just glad I've got a good cable connection. |
| [16:14:00] | laga: | adsl all the way |
| [16:14:00] | Tommck_: | no cable or DSL here |
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| [16:17:00] | diamon: | Tommck: That'd be a bummer. I'm flat spoiled on cable, myself... |
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| [16:17:00] | Tommck_: | diamon – I had either Cable or DSL for 5 years before I moved here 4 years ago... it's just evil |
| [16:18:00] | diamon: | Ow, that's even worse. I refused to move once because there was no broadband where I was looking to be. |
| [16:18:00] | laga: | Tommck_'s geek credibility: -10000 |
| [16:19:00] | Tommck_: | well, my wife owned this awesome piece of land... we built a killer house... and they were supposed to bring a new DSL technology here 6 months after I moved in... |
| [16:19:00] | Esotericisms: | lol |
| [16:19:00] | Esotericisms: | lol |
| [16:19:00] | Tommck_: | then, Verizon bailed out... |
| [16:19:00] | Tommck_: | too expensive to replace the other DSL technology |
| [16:19:00] | Tommck_: | so I got screwed... hard |
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| [16:19:00] | laga: | :/ |
| [16:20:00] | diamon: | Too bad you can't do a pair of cantennas for wireless... |
| [16:20:00] | Tommck_: | too many trees :( |
| [16:20:00] | Tommck_: | I dont' have line of site to anyone |
| [16:20:00] | Tommck_: | never mind anyone who has broadband |
| [16:21:00] | diamon: | I helped a friend do that, but it only worked because we knocked a gap in his treeline. :P |
| [16:21:00] | rjune: | so satellite is your only hope of high speed eh? |
| [16:21:00] | Tommck_: | rjune – actually.. I could pay Comcast $30,000 to bring it here (yes, that was the price quote)... |
| [16:21:00] | diamon: | Without a tower, I suppose. |
| [16:21:00] | rjune: | damn |
| [16:21:00] | Tommck_: | or I could pay $500/month for a T1 |
| [16:21:00] | rjune: | that's not a bad price for a T |
| [16:22:00] | rjune: | I paid 250 for my frac back when I had it |
| [16:22:00] | Tommck_: | diamon – it would have to be one hell of a tower... all the trees here are 100–120 feet tall |
| [16:22:00] | Tommck_: | rjune – $500 is expensive now |
| [16:22:00] | Tommck_: | if I lived closer to the CO, it could be < $300 |
| [16:22:00] | diamon: | Tommck: Woo, 30k's not a bad price. Ask if you can lease them the runs they lay for some time, or how that works. Maybe they'd credit you if they get others along the path to sign up. |
| [16:22:00] | Tommck_: | diamon – there are only 25 houses that don't have it ... |
| [16:23:00] | diamon: | *shrug* |
| [16:23:00] | Tommck_: | I'd never make any money back |
| [16:24:00] | rjune: | that's just the line though, not the inet access |
| [16:24:00] | diamon: | Tommck: Bah, who cares about making money, this is broadband here! :) |
| [16:24:00] | Tommck_: | I know... but that's about $50/month |
| [16:24:00] | Tommck_: | hehe.. |
| [16:24:00] | Tommck_: | I don't have $30,000 to throw away on that :) |
| [16:25:00] | laga: | sell some internal organs |
| [16:25:00] | rjune: | sell sperm |
| [16:25:00] | diamon: | Yeah, I lived on a little slip of a road off a main throughfare in TX a few years ago, and Cox came through and wired the thoroughfare. They offered to run me a strand for $5k. I countered and said I'd see who else would sign up for it, and would accept a write-off per household on the install fee... $1400 later I had cable! Yay! |
| [16:25:00] | Tommck_: | rjune – that's a lot of spanking |
| [16:26:00] | Tommck_: | diamon – what do you mean a "write-off per household"? |
| [16:26:00] | diamon: | And we were so far from anyone else that this small area 'owned' that segment. Nice latency... |
| [16:28:00] | diamon: | Tommck: They knocked like $800 (400?) off the install (I forget, it's been 6 years or so) per household that pre-signed up for a 6-month contract if they picked up cable. Most of the street joined up, except one guy. |
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| [16:28:00] | Tommck_: | interesting... I wonder if I can get everyone to sign up... |
| [16:29:00] | diamon: | What's funnier is he wanted the cable company to run a strand the 300' or so to him a few months later, but it cost about as mich to wire the whole street as it cost to run him one strand, so he keeps using satellite. |
| [16:29:00] | Tommck_: | hehe |
| [16:29:00] | diamon: | It's more the people-time and permits than anything else, I heard. |
| [16:30:00] | Tommck_: | yeah... and they have to rent the pole space from the electric company here |
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| [16:40:00] | Tommck_: | wow... I"m running nVidia drivers 5336 :) |
| [16:40:00] | Tommck_: | hehe |
| [16:40:00] | Tommck_: | that's antique :) |
| [16:44:00] | Tommck_: | upgrading from nvidia driver 5336 -> 7667... think there'll be issues? :) |
| [16:45:00] | travolta: | nope |
| [16:45:00] | Tommck_: | cool |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck_: | dammit... that didn't fix it |
| [16:51:00] | travolta: | fix what? |
| [16:51:00] | Tommck_: | I am trying to get 1920x1080i res working on my TV |
| [16:52:00] | Tommck_: | if I do anything with 1920, it winds up making a virtual desktop instead of a real one. |
| [16:52:00] | travolta: | whoa |
| [16:52:00] | travolta: | i dunno |
| [16:52:00] | travolta: | i dont use tv out |
| [16:52:00] | Tommck_: | I'm using Powerstrip on Windows 2000 and the settings work fine... |
| [16:52:00] | Tommck_: | on Linux, it doesn't work. |
| [16:52:00] | Tommck_: | travolta – this is VGA connection |
| [16:52:00] | Tommck_: | not TV-out |
| [16:53:00] | travolta: | oh |
| [16:56:00] | Tommck_: | anyone in here think it would be an issue to use a GeForce 3 Ti500 to display HDTV? |
| [16:56:00] | Tommck_: | that's the card that is displaying 1920x1080i properly from my Windows box. |
| [16:56:00] | Tommck_: | I'm thinking about cramming it in my Linux box to see if it's a card thing |
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| [17:00:00] | laga: | the gf3 doesn't support XVmc |
| [17:00:00] | Tommck_: | laga – I'm not sure if I'm using that now... |
| [17:00:00] | _paul: | Tommck_: Did you write a mode line for that res? |
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| [17:00:00] | djperegrine: | how can I get myth working with something other ethen XV ? |
| [17:01:00] | Tommck_: | _paul – got it from Powerstrip |
| [17:01:00] | laga: | djperegrine: mythtv supports directfb (and directX *evilgrin*) |
| [17:01:00] | _paul: | Tommck_: try http://www.dynaweb.hu/opensource/videogen/ |
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| [17:02:00] | djperegrine: | I built with it in gentoo |
| [17:02:00] | djperegrine: | but it doesn't do anything |
| [17:03:00] | Tommck_: | _paul – the settings work fine from windows, but not from linux |
| [17:03:00] | Tommck_: | laga – how do I know if I'm using the XVmc? |
| [17:03:00] | _paul: | Tommck_: Windows != Linux |
| [17:03:00] | Tommck_: | _paul – uhh.. yeah.. thanks for the input |
| [17:04:00] | travolta: | :) |
| [17:04:00] | laga: | Tommck_: well. ldd `which mythfrontend` should give you a hint if it's linked against libnvidiaxvmc, and there is a knob somewhere in the playback settings in the frontend i believe |
| [17:04:00] | laga: | djperegrine: why don't you use Xv? |
| [17:04:00] | djperegrine: | I have a readon 7500 |
| [17:04:00] | djperegrine: | and it has TV out |
| [17:04:00] | djperegrine: | I am using the defualt vesa drivers |
| [17:05:00] | laga: | heh |
| [17:05:00] | djperegrine: | I have xorg so gatos doesn't seem to work |
| [17:05:00] | Tommck_: | laga – " ldd `which mythfrontend` | grep -i xv " gives me no lines |
| [17:05:00] | Tommck_: | I have a GeForce FX 5200 tho. |
| [17:05:00] | laga: | Tommck_: that's odd |
| [17:05:00] | laga: | laga@wutbuch ~ $ ldd `which mythfrontend` | grep -i xv |
| [17:05:00] | laga: | libXv.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXv.so.1 (0x422e6000) |
| [17:05:00] | Tommck_: | laga – I just might not have set it up to use it |
| [17:06:00] | laga: | make sure that `which mythfrontend` gives you any output at all |
| [17:06:00] | Tommck_: | yeah... the output of ldd without the grep gives me lotsa stuff |
| [17:08:00] | laga: | brb, time to take a shower |
| [17:08:00] | ** Tommck_ can smell laga from here ** | |
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| [17:11:00] | Tommck_: | so... guess the GeForce3 isn't a good option. |
| [17:12:00] | Tommck_: | I guess I'll rip the FX 5200 out of the front-end and put it in my windows box to do modeline discovery |
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| [17:33:00] | laga: | re |
| [17:34:00] | Tommck: | re/ |
| [17:34:00] | Tommck: | re |
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| [17:59:00] | Tommck_: | ping |
| [18:00:00] | Tommck_: | not sure if this question made it, so pardon the repost if it did: |
| [18:00:00] | Tommck_: | I am messing with powerstrip to determine the right settings for HDTV mode... I have gotten it so that it's right from left-to-right, but only 968 lines of resolution are fitting on the screen... anyone have a solution/suggestion for me? |
| [18:03:00] | ** Tommck_ wonders if there's anybody out there ** | |
| [18:06:00] | djperegrine: | yo :P |
| [18:06:00] | Tommck_: | cool.. |
| [18:06:00] | djperegrine: | :P |
| [18:07:00] | Tommck_: | I was having connectivity issues.. wasn't sure if I was still connected |
| [18:07:00] | djperegrine: | I am recompiling X :( |
| [18:07:00] | Tommck_: | nice |
| [18:07:00] | djperegrine: | its gunna be another hour or so :( |
| [18:10:00] | djperegrine: | I heard if you compile with gcc 3.4 it the ati readon tv-out will work with the readon driver |
| [18:10:00] | djperegrine: | we will see ... |
| [18:11:00] | Tommck_: | ahh. |
| [18:13:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck_ what kind of set are you using? |
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| [18:13:00] | Tommck_: | GeckoFiend – a Mitsu RP CRT |
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| [18:15:00] | Tommck_: | GeckoFiend – why? |
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| [18:23:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck_ because lots of Hd displays don't really display a full 1080 lines. the 1080 is interlaced so it's more like 540p anyway |
| [18:23:00] | Tommck_: | GeckoFiend – yeah.. I know |
| [18:24:00] | defaultro: | Gecko, just would like to tell you that when I've configured my X at 540p before and it's crap. 1080's quality is totally different from 540p's quality |
| [18:24:00] | defaultro: | hi Tommck |
| [18:25:00] | Tommck_: | hey defaultro |
| [18:25:00] | GeckoFiend: | I just run 720p and forget about it. |
| [18:26:00] | GeckoFiend: | course my display is 720p native so... |
| [18:26:00] | Tommck_: | My TV doesn't do 720 |
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| [18:26:00] | defaultro: | what i was saying is that 540p is not comparable to 1080 |
| [18:27:00] | Tommck_: | defaultro – you doing 1080? |
| [18:27:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [18:27:00] | Keith: | hey guys- how do you get mythtv to record to another partition? |
| [18:27:00] | Tommck_: | what TV? |
| [18:27:00] | defaultro: | mine has 480i,480p, 1080i |
| [18:28:00] | Tommck_: | defaultro – what kind of TV? |
| [18:28:00] | defaultro: | mits 48" |
| [18:28:00] | defaultro: | ws48313 |
| [18:28:00] | Tommck_: | hmm... |
| [18:28:00] | Tommck_: | do you have vertical overscan ? |
| [18:29:00] | defaultro: | i do change the overscan/underscan within myth and it's awesome |
| [18:29:00] | Cowman: | I'm having a time-zone related problem. If my system is set to the correct local time, my program guide is off by 5 hours but myth displays the correct local time. If I adjust the system time 5 hours ahead the guide is right but everything displays the wrong time |
| [18:29:00] | defaultro: | i don't have to fiddle with the maintenance menus |
| [18:29:00] | defaultro: | which i did before |
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| [18:29:00] | defaultro: | it's dangerous |
| [18:29:00] | Tommck_: | defaultro – ahh.. cool |
| [18:30:00] | defaultro: | i am use -4 in underscan |
| [18:30:00] | defaultro: | i am using |
| [18:30:00] | Tommck_: | horizontal too? |
| [18:30:00] | Keith: | thats a weird problem cow |
| [18:30:00] | defaultro: | i think so |
| [18:30:00] | defaultro: | i have to check |
| [18:30:00] | Cowman: | I know :( |
| [18:30:00] | defaultro: | let me see |
| [18:30:00] | Keith: | in myth-setulp wasnt there an offset time option? |
| [18:31:00] | Tommck_: | defaultro – what kind of video card? |
| [18:31:00] | Keith: | ::shrugg:: thats the only thing i c an think of, andi dont even remember if its ther. |
| [18:31:00] | Cowman: | I might go check that... but it was working fine before and I havn't run myth-setup since |
| [18:32:00] | defaultro: | yeah, it's in setup->playback, then vert and horz over/underscan percentage is set to -4 |
| [18:32:00] | Tommck_: | ah. |
| [18:32:00] | Tommck_: | and is that % ? |
| [18:32:00] | defaultro: | then there is another setting where we can we set the mythfrontend size |
| [18:32:00] | defaultro: | nope, just number |
| [18:32:00] | defaultro: | -4 |
| [18:32:00] | defaultro: | and it is percentage |
| [18:33:00] | Tommck_: | ok |
| [18:33:00] | Keith: | well gl to you cowman |
| [18:33:00] | defaultro: | you don't have to specify the symbol % |
| [18:33:00] | Tommck_: | right |
| [18:33:00] | defaultro: | but there is another setting for mythfrontend size |
| [18:33:00] | Tommck_: | I know |
| [18:33:00] | defaultro: | my gui size is 1776 x 1008 |
| [18:33:00] | Tommck_: | see.. I'm having about 5 1/2 % overscan top and bottom |
| [18:33:00] | defaultro: | that fixes both |
| [18:33:00] | Tommck_: | oh... the overscan setting's just for the playback? |
| [18:34:00] | defaultro: | yup |
| [18:34:00] | defaultro: | my vidcard is nvidia 6600 GT |
| [18:34:00] | Tommck_: | ah.. I've got the FX 5200 |
| [18:34:00] | defaultro: | the -4 is only for the playback ;) |
| [18:34:00] | defaultro: | the 1776x1008 is for the mythfrontend gui size |
| [18:34:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [18:34:00] | Tommck_: | so, why use that, if the menu has to be adjusted too? |
| [18:34:00] | defaultro: | x offset is 64, y offset is 32 |
| [18:34:00] | defaultro: | hey bro, I got to go |
| [18:34:00] | defaultro: | i'll catch you later |
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| [18:34:00] | Tommck_: | ok.. cya later. |
| [18:35:00] | djperegrine: | what does overscan and underscan mean exactly? |
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| [18:35:00] | Tommck_: | djperegrine – that would definitely be worth a google :) |
| [18:36:00] | Tommck_: | TV signals are always cutoff by the TV |
| [18:37:00] | djperegrine: | ah, the top of my screen is cutoff |
| [18:37:00] | djperegrine: | I can fix that with overscan eh? |
| [18:37:00] | Tommck_: | yeah.. for playback |
| [18:38:00] | Keith: | anyone here have any idea how to amke mythtv save to a different partition? it keeps saving to the smaller one. |
| [18:38:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | hi – im having problems compiling from svn. its not actually making any binary files as far as i can tell (there's nothing i can run from bob@monkey:/usr/src/cvs/mythtv/mythtv/head/mythtv/programs/mythbackend$ ./.svn/ |
| [18:38:00] | Tommck_: | As far as I know, it only supports saving to one place |
| [18:38:00] | Keith: | i created a swap, a home partition foor my distro, and a mythtv partition thats way larger.... i cant seem to get it to save to it. |
| [18:38:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | or from my path – any idea's? |
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| [18:42:00] | ** NightBird is hot ;_; ** | |
| [18:42:00] | DarthDam: | anyone got an idea of where the proper place would be to start irxevent? |
| [18:42:00] | ** Tommck_ thinks NIghtBird has a high opinion of his/her self ** | |
| [18:42:00] | Tommck_: | never heard of irxevent |
| [18:42:00] | NightBird: | his, btw |
| [18:42:00] | NightBird: | no, I mean I'm physically hot |
| [18:43:00] | Tommck_: | uh huh |
| [18:44:00] | djperegrine: | lol |
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| [18:47:00] | Tommck_: | who's this "peer" fellow and why's he keep resetting people's connections/ |
| [18:47:00] | Tommck_: | ? |
| [18:47:00] | Tommck_: | I would hope my peers wouldn't do that to me.. it's mean |
| [18:47:00] | NightBird: | ... |
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| [18:48:00] | NightBird: | it's just an IRC thing |
| [18:48:00] | Tommck_: | I'm kidding |
| [18:48:00] | Keith: | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#a . . . onformatting it is possible to save to another parituiton- now to figure out how |
| [18:48:00] | Keith: | hey guys i got an irc question – how do you copy the guys name to the text send bar? like have it start off saying Tommck_: |
| [18:49:00] | Tommck_: | Keith – I hit TAB |
| [18:49:00] | NightBird: | yeah |
| [18:49:00] | NightBird: | tab completion... if your client supports it |
| [18:49:00] | Keith: | oh hey it doees |
| [18:49:00] | Keith: | coolness. thank you x-chat |
| [18:49:00] | djperegrine: | :P |
| [18:49:00] | Keith: | ok so anyone have an idea hwo to save toa mythtv partition? the documents arent too clear. just says it CAN be done |
| [18:50:00] | GeckoFiend: | DarthDam start it before you start mythfrontend |
| [18:51:00] | GeckoFiend: | Keith create the partion, mount it, tell myth to use that dir as your recordings dir. it's pretty simple |
| [18:51:00] | ShockValue: | i figured out why minimalist-wide's icons werent working.. its because its not set up to use the "classic" menu style. |
| [18:51:00] | ShockValue: | Just in case anyone was wondering :) |
| [18:52:00] | GeckoFiend: | ShockValue heh nope it's not and it really will not work with classic menus |
| [18:52:00] | DarthDam: | GeckoFiend, that was my conclusion. Just wanted to be sure that there is no 'ideal' place to do it. The wiki doesn't mention any :/ |
| [18:52:00] | Keith: | ok, GeckoFiend , if you can gimem instructions, id be infinitely pleased |
| [18:52:00] | Keith: | like how to mount it, and tell myth to use that dir |
| [18:52:00] | Keith: | or what dir that should be |
| [18:53:00] | djperegrine: | DAMMnn |
| [18:53:00] | djperegrine: | that would of not been good |
| [18:53:00] | djperegrine: | I had a brown out while compiling X :P |
| [18:54:00] | GeckoFiend: | Keith that's basic Linux stuff.... |
| [18:54:00] | Keith: | im still newish to linux gecko. |
| [18:54:00] | GeckoFiend: | try the linux doc project for lots of howtos on that sort of thing |
| [18:54:00] | Keith: | alright. thanks. |
| [18:54:00] | Keith: | linux.org for those docs? |
| [18:54:00] | GeckoFiend: | tlpd.org |
| [18:54:00] | Keith: | thanks. |
| [18:55:00] | Tommck_: | dammit dammit dammit |
| [18:55:00] | Keith: | whats wrong tomm |
| [18:55:00] | Tommck_: | video modes that work with Powerstrip in Windows don't work in Linux |
| [18:56:00] | Tommck_: | it keeps on making my virtual desktop the size of my requested resolution, but not the actual resolution. grrr |
| [18:57:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck_ Check the log file for X. |
| [18:57:00] | Tommck_: | I am |
| [18:57:00] | Tommck_: | whoa... |
| [18:57:00] | Tommck_: | this is weird... |
| [18:58:00] | Tommck_: | I set the VIrtual Size to the requested resolution and it looked like it did the resolution right, but everthing was rolled right about 1/2 way |
| [18:58:00] | Tommck_: | meaning... the right 1/2 of the screen was actually on the left... and vice versa |
| [19:02:00] | Tommck_: | hmm... looks like 1920x540p is working |
| [19:02:00] | Tommck_: | I think I'm going to go with that for now |
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| [19:02:00] | ** Tommck_ is going to faint from hunger ** | |
| [19:03:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | hi – im having problems compiling mythtv from todays svn. when i do make, it doesn't actually make anything, and when i do make install, it doesn't put anything in my path (/usr/local/bin is in my path and i passed --prefix=/usr/local/ to ./configure) |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | Super |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | Have you done a make clean ? |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | or make distclean ? |
| [19:04:00] | Keith: | wtf........ i run mythtv-setup, afterwards no signle terminal will open for me |
| [19:04:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | it was a clean source tree |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | and rerun configure ? |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
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| [19:06:00] | Tommck_: | hmm... any good extra-wide themes out there? :) |
| [19:06:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | greyfoxx – any idea's? |
| [19:06:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | actually, im going for a fag, back in a mo |
| [19:07:00] | ** Tommck_ thinks that sounds just plain wrong ** | |
| [19:08:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck_ There are a grand total of two wide mode themes. Minimalist and Syth |
| [19:08:00] | Tommck_: | haven't seen Syth... is that something I need to download ? |
| [19:10:00] | Tommck_: | WTF? I have the UI displaying at 1920x540... but when I play back video, it is squished vertically! |
| [19:10:00] | Tommck_: | oh man... I"m gonna make some lunch.. |
| [19:10:00] | ** Tommck_ will be back to battle this stuff ** | |
| [19:10:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck_ it's the first theme from the LxMSuite stuff http://www.lxmsuite.com/members/index.php?opt . . . amp;Itemid=1 |
| [19:13:00] | NightBird: | what going for a fag? not nessisarily... |
| [19:13:00] | NightBird: | so long as you realise he means a cigarete.... |
| [19:15:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | im back |
| [19:16:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | so, any idea's? |
| [19:16:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | and yes, i meant cigarette, not homosexual |
| [19:17:00] | djperegrine: | :P |
| [19:17:00] | djperegrine: | hahaha |
| [19:19:00] | GeckoFiend: | Super_Cat_Frog did you do qmake mythtv.pro like the instructions told you to |
| [19:20:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | yes |
| [19:21:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | ive installed myth loads of times |
| [19:21:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | just this time it wont |
| [19:22:00] | djperegrine: | damn |
| [19:22:00] | djperegrine: | X is installing alot |
| [19:22:00] | djperegrine: | Heyyy |
| [19:22:00] | djperegrine: | I think its finished :D |
| [19:31:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | any other idea's? |
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| [19:31:00] | Keith: | anyone here willing to help a newbie save his mythtv recordings to another partition? |
| [19:32:00] | Keith: | since i cant seem to get it to save to that partition at all |
| [19:33:00] | GeckoFiend: | Keith the second page of step 1 of mythtv setup has "directory to hold recordings" |
| [19:33:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | geckofiend – my gf likes your nick |
| [19:33:00] | Keith: | thats what im using |
| [19:33:00] | Keith: | but when i tell it to go to the /myth partition |
| [19:33:00] | Keith: | mythbackend ist ellling me it doesnt exist |
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| [19:34:00] | GeckoFiend: | does it exist? |
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| [19:34:00] | Keith: | i created it when i formatted the computer and installed ubuntu |
| [19:34:00] | Keith: | the partition ubuntu is installed to has 6 gigs, the swaps 1 gig, and tehn the third partition was myth, at 153 gigs |
| [19:34:00] | GeckoFiend: | Super_Cat_Frog heh years ago MSN gaming zone offered it as a suggestion when jdonavan was taken. I thought it was funny so i started using it |
| [19:34:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | cool |
| [19:35:00] | Keith: | odd nick to suggest |
| [19:35:00] | GeckoFiend: | Keith whats does ls -ldg /myth say? |
| [19:35:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | mines based on a story, i made up – http://www.freepgs.com/mattyrobinson/misc/supercatfrog |
| [19:36:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | argh – that reminds me, ive got to write an 'available nickname generator' for work ,for that reason |
| [19:36:00] | Keith: | no such directory |
| [19:36:00] | Keith: | do i have to mount it or something? |
| [19:36:00] | GeckoFiend: | well yeah of course you do |
| [19:37:00] | GeckoFiend: | it should have been put in your fstab by your installer |
| [19:37:00] | GeckoFiend: | first you need to create the dir, then mount the parition onto it |
| [19:38:00] | Keith: | hwo do i tell which partition is which? hda hda 2 or hda3? |
| [19:38:00] | Keith: | i think its hda3 |
| [19:39:00] | Keith: | ok i made /myth |
| [19:40:00] | Keith: | then i typed sudo mount /dev/hda3 /myth |
| [19:40:00] | Keith: | right? |
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| [19:41:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | yep |
| [19:41:00] | GeckoFiend: | that'll only mount it for this session. you need it in your fstab |
| [19:41:00] | Keith: | how do i do that? |
| [19:41:00] | GeckoFiend: | something like: /dev/hdaa /myth reiserfs defaults 1 2 |
| [19:41:00] | Keith: | and should i unmount before doign what youre about to tell me? |
| [19:42:00] | GeckoFiend: | replace reiserfs with the fs type you used |
| [19:42:00] | GeckoFiend: | nope |
| [19:42:00] | GeckoFiend: | what file system did you use on it? |
| [19:42:00] | GeckoFiend: | that should say /dev/hda3 btw |
| [19:44:00] | Keith: | i used xfs |
| [19:44:00] | Keith: | so is it mount /dev/hda3 /myth reiserfs defaults 1 2 ? |
| [19:48:00] | Keith: | ? |
| [19:48:00] | Keith: | oh its a fille i have to edit silly me. |
| [19:49:00] | Keith: | k got it, rebooting now |
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| [19:50:00] | GeckoFiend: | no need to reboot |
| [19:50:00] | GeckoFiend: | LOL |
| [19:50:00] | GeckoFiend: | http://www.angryalien.com/0605/pulpfictionbuns.asp |
| [19:50:00] | GeckoFiend: | any users from Japan here? http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-5790230.html |
| [19:51:00] | ** Tommck_ is bloated full of food ** | |
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| [19:55:00] | Keith: | ok this is very strange |
| [19:55:00] | stoffel: | lol |
| [19:55:00] | Keith: | gecko- i made the changes to fstab, rebooted. everything worked, but then when i tried to loginto my username for ubuntu it said that /home, which it was mounted to accordign to fstab, wasnt there |
| [19:56:00] | Keith: | soooo hwo can i tell how much space hda3 and hda and hda1 have so i can figure out which is whcih |
| [19:56:00] | Tommck_: | df |
| [19:56:00] | Keith: | df? |
| [19:56:00] | Tommck_: | yes |
| [19:56:00] | Keith: | thanks |
| [19:56:00] | GeckoFiend: | that shows mounted paritions |
| [19:57:00] | Keith: | thanks... lets see... |
| [19:57:00] | Keith: | hda1 has 5 gigs, while hda3 and 150 gigs |
| [19:57:00] | Keith: | hda1 is moutned on / |
| [19:57:00] | Keith: | while hda3 iis mounted on /home |
| [19:57:00] | GeckoFiend: | was hda3 listed in fstab already? |
| [19:57:00] | Keith: | yeah |
| [19:57:00] | Keith: | strnagely enough yeah |
| [19:57:00] | GeckoFiend: | lol |
| [19:57:00] | Keith: | its moutned as /home though |
| [19:58:00] | Keith: | which is really strange.... mythtv shouldnt sayign i only have 5 gigs then, right? |
| [19:58:00] | GeckoFiend: | then your installed screwed you over |
| [19:58:00] | Tommck_: | why, when I have "use GUI size for Playback" checked, does the image not stretch to the size of the GUI during playback? |
| [19:58:00] | Keith: | what do you mean GeckoFiend ? |
| [19:58:00] | GeckoFiend: | Keith it created that 150g partition as /home not /myth |
| [19:59:00] | GeckoFiend: | does ls /myth show any files or directories? |
| [19:59:00] | Keith: | no it doesnt |
| [20:00:00] | Keith: | alrighti just poitned mythtv towards/ home, thinking it was the 5 gig but in reality its the 150 gig |
| [20:00:00] | Keith: | so im fine now |
| [20:00:00] | GeckoFiend: | heh donb't use /home to store media |
| [20:01:00] | Keith: | y not? |
| [20:07:00] | Tommck_: | how do I tell what version of X I have installed? |
| [20:07:00] | GeckoFiend: | run it |
| [20:08:00] | Tommck_: | ? |
| [20:08:00] | GeckoFiend: | the first line it spits out is the version |
| [20:08:00] | GeckoFiend: | look in it's log |
| [20:08:00] | Tommck_: | XFree86 Version 4.3.99.902 (4.4.0 RC 2) |
| [20:09:00] | Tommck_: | thanks |
| [20:12:00] | GeckoFiend: | wow that's old |
| [20:13:00] | Tommck_: | :) |
| [20:13:00] | Tommck_: | what are we up to now? |
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| [20:14:00] | GeckoFiend: | heck mines almost a year old and its Version 6.8.1 |
| [20:14:00] | Tommck_: | 6? |
| [20:14:00] | Tommck_: | wow |
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| [20:15:00] | Keith: | GeckoFiend, no su user |
| [20:15:00] | GeckoFiend: | course that may not mean much now that I think of it since I'm on X.org |
| [20:15:00] | Tommck_: | ah |
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| [20:18:00] | Tommck_: | This shows what my screen is doing in 1920x1080i mode: http://pastebin.ca/17920 |
| [20:19:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck_ have you tried using xvidtune? |
| [20:20:00] | Tommck_: | GeckoFiend – no... never used that |
| [20:20:00] | GeckoFiend: | try it out you should be able to bring the display into the proper shape, then have it show you the resulting modeline |
| [20:21:00] | travolta: | lol, you had to make an asci pic of it? couldnt describe it? |
| [20:21:00] | Tommck_: | here's something strange.... |
| [20:21:00] | Tommck_: | the display is off like that, but the desktop thinks the windows are in the right place.. |
| [20:21:00] | Tommck_: | ascii art rules! :) |
| [20:22:00] | Tommck_: | I can't run xvidtune, because I don't know where I'm clicking |
| [20:22:00] | GeckoFiend: | LOL yeah that could be a problem |
| [20:22:00] | Tommck_: | travolta – I didn't think I could properly describe it |
| [20:23:00] | Tommck_: | this really sucks... |
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| [20:29:00] | Tommck_: | finally... my searching shows something... |
| [20:29:00] | Tommck_: | "yes this is a known problem with the new drivers that apparently only affects the 1080i resolution." |
| [20:31:00] | travolta: | "a known problem" , hehe |
| [20:31:00] | Tommck_: | yeah.. |
| [20:32:00] | Keith: | gecko it didnt work. |
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| [20:44:00] | Tommck_: | turns out someone says that version 6629 works fine... we'll see soon :) |
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| [20:47:00] | Keith: | gecko, open dialog for a sec please? |
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| [20:48:00] | Tommck_: | Keith would you like that to be a Modal or Modeless Ddialog? |
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| [20:52:00] | ** Tommck_ is psyched ** | |
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| [21:02:00] | i10neorg: | I think my bttv capture card is providing the the wrong field order when capturing frames. |
| [21:02:00] | i10neorg: | Is this a known issue? |
| [21:05:00] | CTV1337: | does anyone have myth running on suse 9.3? |
| [21:06:00] | Tommck_: | CTV1337 – not me, but I might be soon |
| [21:06:00] | Tommck_: | I'm running on 9.1 now |
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| [21:08:00] | CTV1337: | Tommck_ what capture card do you have? |
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| [21:10:00] | Tommck_: | CTV1337 – I have 2 HD3000s and 1 PVR-500 |
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| [21:13:00] | NightBird: | FUEGO! |
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| [21:16:00] | xris: | NightBird: don't you know how dangerous it is to shout "fire" in a crowded chatroom? |
| [21:16:00] | Tommck_: | it's OK when it's a language I don't understand :) |
| [21:19:00] | Tommck_: | CTV1337 – guess I'll talk to you later |
| [21:19:00] | CTV1337: | hey |
| [21:19:00] | Tommck_: | CTV1337? |
| [21:19:00] | NightBird: | hm.. |
| [21:19:00] | NightBird: | so thats what fuego means? |
| [21:20:00] | CTV1337: | i answered in the other window...anyway do you use a remote? |
| [21:20:00] | Tommck_: | CTV1337 – yes... |
| [21:20:00] | CTV1337: | what remote are you using? |
| [21:20:00] | Tommck_: | CTV1337 – TheaterMaster MX 700 |
| [21:20:00] | Tommck_: | it's kinda pricy, but I like it |
| [21:21:00] | CTV1337: | hmmm i'm having problems getting the remote to work with my pvr-350 |
| [21:21:00] | CTV1337: | when i run the mythfrontend part i get lirc_init failed connection refused. |
| [21:22:00] | Tommck_: | CTV1337 – I don't use lirc. I use a cheap IR keyboard. |
| [21:22:00] | Tommck_: | then, I program the remote from the keyboard... |
| [21:22:00] | Tommck_: | no fuss... no muss |
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| [21:23:00] | Tommck_: | as far as I'm concerned, unless you're using an IR blaster, lirc is a waste of time |
| [21:24:00] | xris: | Tommck_: that's cute |
| [21:24:00] | Tommck_: | what? |
| [21:24:00] | xris: | but yes, lirc is a huge PITA |
| [21:24:00] | xris: | programming the remote from the keyboard.. cute. |
| [21:24:00] | CTV1337: | whats an IR blaster? |
| [21:24:00] | Tommck_: | it cost me $17 for the keyboard... |
| [21:24:00] | xris: | CTV1337: device used to control cable/dish boxes. |
| [21:24:00] | Tommck_: | it was so friggin easy |
| [21:25:00] | Tommck_: | xris – if you can't use serial cables, that is |
| [21:25:00] | CTV1337: | oh ok...yeah i'm having problems with lirc |
| [21:25:00] | xris: | Tommck_: how's the response time? I've noticed that lirc remotes are somewhat slow |
| [21:25:00] | xris: | CTV1337: so was I last night. |
| [21:25:00] | Tommck_: | xris – it's instantaneous. |
| [21:25:00] | xris: | lost 4 days of recordings, too, before I noticed. |
| [21:25:00] | Tommck_: | the only problem I have is that my remote control doesn't repeat keys when you hold them down |
| [21:26:00] | Tommck_: | that is a PITA when dealing with Program Finder :) |
| [21:26:00] | xris: | Tommck_: nice. (though I've noticed that even an IR programmable remote has a slow response time, but it may just be the cheap remote) |
| [21:26:00] | CTV1337: | at least yours works...i can't even start mythfrontend |
| [21:26:00] | Tommck_: | but I keep the keyboard around as a backup |
| [21:26:00] | Tommck_: | I'm so psyched... I finally got 1920x1080i resolution to work :) |
| [21:28:00] | xris: | CTV1337: well, it was my irblaster lirc that broke |
| [21:28:00] | Tommck_: | unless I'm imagining things, this looks so much better than the 960x540 I was watching before |
| [21:29:00] | xris: | heh |
| [21:29:00] | xris: | 800x600 for me. :) |
| [21:30:00] | Tommck_: | so... I'm trying to figure out why it's not taking very much CPU to play HDTV.. |
| [21:30:00] | Tommck_: | I'm running 1920x1080i... |
| [21:30:00] | Tommck_: | playing an HD show recorded at 1080i |
| [21:30:00] | Tommck_: | on a P4 3.2GHz... |
| [21:30:00] | stoffel: | _not_? why care about that? ;) |
| [21:30:00] | Tommck_: | it's only taking 28% of the CPU according to "top" |
| [21:30:00] | Tommck_: | stoffel – I'm just confused |
| [21:31:00] | Tommck_: | peaks out at 38% or so when I skip commercials |
| [21:31:00] | stoffel: | that usually happens to me when things don't work |
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| [21:31:00] | Tommck_: | :) |
| [21:31:00] | Tommck_: | and, as far as I can tell, I'm not using xvmc |
| [21:34:00] | Tommck_: | If I am running in an interlaced mode, I don't want deinterlacing, do I? |
| [21:36:00] | xris: | Tommck_: depends on whether or not your tv card auto-interlaces |
| [21:36:00] | Tommck_: | I'm confused... if it only takes 30% of my CPU, why does everyone say that you need 2.4+ to play HD? |
| [21:37:00] | xris: | Tommck_: 1080i is a lot less than 720p |
| [21:39:00] | Tommck_: | xris – 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 (30 times per second) 1280x720 = 921,600 (60 times per second) or 1,843,200 (30 times a second)... so... no, it isn't |
| [21:40:00] | xris: | Tommck_: count pixels |
| [21:40:00] | Tommck_: | it's more data to manipulate for 1080 |
| [21:40:00] | Tommck_: | that's what I was counting... |
| [21:40:00] | xris: | 1080 / 2 vs 720 |
| [21:40:00] | xris: | 1080i is basically the same as 540p |
| [21:40:00] | Tommck_: | xris – 540*1920 > 720*1280 |
| [21:41:00] | Tommck_: | you do the math |
| [21:41:00] | xris: | oh, forgot the width. heh |
| [21:41:00] | xris: | in that case, I really have no idea. |
| [21:41:00] | Tommck_: | yeah... 1080i is more intensive |
| [21:41:00] | xris: | I was told that 720p was more work for a cpu than 1080i |
| [21:41:00] | Tommck_: | and it's only taking 28.5% right now |
| [21:42:00] | xris: | no clue. I know that I can *barely* do it on my dual athlon 1900 (need nice -0 or better) |
| [21:42:00] | Tommck_: | well, as far as I know, the computer still has to calculate 1080 lines worth of data, it's only sending 540... otherwise, there wouldn't be motion blur (but this is pure conjecture) |
| [21:43:00] | Tommck_: | well, it's probably only using one CPU |
| [21:43:00] | Tommck_: | I doubt the rendering supports SMP |
| [21:44:00] | Tommck_: | well, anyway... I'm psyched to have 1080i on my TV now :) |
| [21:44:00] | Tommck_: | it kicks lots of ass :) |
| [21:45:00] | Tommck_: | anyway... yippee :) |
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| [21:50:00] | xris: | still, with multi cpu (and ht), it'll show the % that it uses on a particular cpu |
| [21:50:00] | xris: | it's not uncommon on my box to see a total of like 180% cpu usage |
| [21:50:00] | Tommck_: | interesting.. |
| [21:50:00] | Tommck_: | my CPU is HT... |
| [21:51:00] | Tommck_: | and I only see 28% total usage |
| [21:51:00] | xris: | weird |
| [21:51:00] | Tommck_: | yeah |
| [21:51:00] | Tommck_: | I don't understand it... but at this point, I'll just ignore it |
| [21:51:00] | Tommck_: | holy friggin ripoffs Batman! |
| [21:52:00] | Tommck_: | http://www.bettercables.com/vgahdmatohdm.html |
| [21:52:00] | Tommck_: | for a 1 meter VGA->VGA cable (male to male)... $110 ! !?!?!?!?!? |
| [21:53:00] | xris: | wtf |
| [21:53:00] | Tommck_: | yeah... and they get crazy from there. |
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| [21:53:00] | Tommck_: | if there's no "free trip to orlando" attachment on that thing, I don't get it |
| [21:53:00] | julian: | hi all |
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| [21:55:00] | julian: | I just recognized, that I have a weird problem with mythtv (cvs from a few weeks ago): If I watch livetv it drifts off about the time it's running. after about 2 hours watching livetv the livetv says it'S 1:30mins behind – but I am not able to get back to real livetv |
| [21:55:00] | julian: | any ideas? |
| [21:56:00] | diamon: | I don't have that with the .18.1 release, might be a bug. If you change channels does it get corrected? |
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| [21:59:00] | julian: | diamon: every time I change a channel it's back to sync (about 1–2secs behind), but drifts off again then |
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| [22:02:00] | diamon: | So like if you keep watching, it doesn't pause or skip and just keeps falling farther behind? |
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| [22:04:00] | therealgalen: | anybody use RAIDs with your mythtv system? |
| [22:04:00] | diamon: | Mirroring, yep. |
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| [22:06:00] | therealgalen: | I'm looking at getting a mobo with RAID support, looking at RAID level 0+1 (mirrored stripes, for redundancy and speed) which seems to be configured in the BIOS and presented to the OS as a single drive |
| [22:06:00] | therealgalen: | Except I've heard that may not be the case, that it uses some sort of DOS tricks or something and might not work with linux |
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| [22:07:00] | therealgalen: | I seriously don't know x86 hardware well enough to know this sort of stuff myself |
| [22:07:00] | diamon: | Yeah, you'd need a more proper IDE RAID card to do that, which ones that really are RAID, not software emulation, will run $200+ easy. |
| [22:07:00] | diamon: | I personally just use Linux's softRAID to set up mirroring, and have a pair of 250Gb drives. |
| [22:08:00] | therealgalen: | diamon: i've looked into proper cards, but it appears this is completely BIOS level on the motherboard (it has a raid controller), but I'm looking for the gotchas.... |
| [22:08:00] | diamon: | Though that's really mostly done because I have more money than time, and I'd rather spring for a second drive than rebuild my system if the drive fails. |
| [22:08:00] | therealgalen: | I'm in the same spot, I'm SOOOO sick of hard drives dying |
| [22:09:00] | diamon: | Several cards lie about it. See if it supports 'other' OS's aside from Windows. |
| [22:09:00] | diamon: | Oh yeah, one CRITICAL thing I've found to keep drives alive longer... Make sure they do NOT exceed 55C, and preferrably stay below 45. |
| [22:10:00] | therealgalen: | My drives have always been cool as anything, but I just manage to munch through them. Every drive in the past four years except one has failed once under warranty, and many of them twice |
| [22:11:00] | diamon: | I have an 18Gb SCSI 10k RPM LVD drive that I got brand new years ago, and I swapped it out a lot for RMA's as it failed. Finally an engineer said to keep it below 60C (10K RPM drives run HOT!) and I shot for 55 and below. |
| [22:11:00] | diamon: | Oh, then stop buying crap drives or something. :) |
| [22:11:00] | therealgalen: | A lot of them have been pretty decent drives, I just think I thrash them hard with use (but they stay pretty cool) |
| [22:12:00] | diamon: | Anyway, I use software IDE raid between 2x250Gb HDD's, but not IDE real raid. Anything HighPoint-based (HPT###) will be that semi-emulated RAID. I don't think there's 6 different 'real' IDE raid cards, though I can't think of the name of any of 'em right now. |
| [22:12:00] | therealgalen: | I'm looking at a mobo along the lines of this: http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?ar . . . 85&cid=3 |
| [22:13:00] | therealgalen: | either the k8n4-e deluxe or the k8n-e deluxe |
| [22:14:00] | therealgalen: | it looks like a nearly perfect board for a lower cost mythtv setup |
| [22:14:00] | diamon: | Looks nifty enough, and it's not an emulated RAID chipset that I know off the top of my head, so it might work. Just be sure linux supports it. |
| [22:15:00] | diamon: | And really, unless this is some kind of high-end HDTV-capable myth installation, raid 10 is pretty much total overkill. |
| [22:15:00] | therealgalen: | This will be HDTV-capable, and I'm also going to backup my laptop the machine and a few other high-reliability storage tasks |
| [22:16:00] | therealgalen: | I do a lot of photography, shooting RAW I can fill up my 2.2 GB microdrive in an afternoon easily so I need the space |
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| [22:18:00] | diamon: | I think you're in luck, I see a datasheet on the driver downloads page from the manufacturer, so it's likely supported in recent kernels. |
| [22:18:00] | therealgalen: | The silicon image sil 3114 chipset is configured at the bios level for raid 0, 1, 0+1, but requires software configuration for raid 5 and jbod |
| [22:18:00] | diamon: | For HD and over 2Gb/day of storage, you might be best served making a separate fileserver system to store stuff to. HDTV recordings consume SCADS of storage space. |
| [22:19:00] | julian: | diamon: exactly – it just drifts off |
| [22:19:00] | therealgalen: | I know how much space they eat, I'll control my appetite for HDTV, and it's just me – nobody else using the machine – so I think I'll be OK with one box |
| [22:19:00] | julian: | and after a few days of running the buffer seems to be filled completely and it crashes |
| [22:20:00] | julian: | (the frontend) |
| [22:20:00] | diamon: | julian: I vote a bug. Get a new CVS in a day or two, or get serious about submitting a bug report. |
| [22:20:00] | julian: | ok |
| [22:21:00] | diamon: | thereal: Whatever works best. :) Anyway, this chipset looks likely to be supported, but you might want to check kernel notes or something to try and be more sure. |
| [22:21:00] | therealgalen: | diamon: I've downloaded the manual for the motherboard and both the onboard SATA and the silicon image controllers appear to be configured completely in the BIOS. My current theory is that the BIOS then presents the collection of drives to the system as a single device. |
| [22:21:00] | therealgalen: | I'm looking to disprove my theory |
| [22:22:00] | diamon: | thereal: Not much I can do there. Maybe you can call the motherboard manufacturer and ask them how it's presented. |
| [22:22:00] | diamon: | Though honestly that's likely a waste of time. |
| [22:23:00] | therealgalen: | Hmmm what a brilliant idea :P |
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| [22:23:00] | therealgalen: | Is there anything else I should be checking on the mobo for linux/mythtv use beyond the audio and raid stuff? |
| [22:24:00] | therealgalen: | I think I want the k8n-e deluxe, not the k8n4-e deluxe which lacks agp (which in turn means i pay more for graphics, and i don't need fancy graphics for a machine like this, just full xvmc and i'm happy0 |
| [22:25:00] | stang: | Has anyone got a pvr-500mce running under gentoo? |
| [22:28:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: heh, you plan on watching hdtv at all? |
| [22:29:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: hi again, yes, of course i plan on watching hdtv |
| [22:29:00] | therealgalen: | but i don't watch piles and piles and piles of tv |
| [22:29:00] | mchou: | then you better think seriously about getting pci-e mobo. |
| [22:29:00] | therealgalen: | but when i do watch it, i want a good experience |
| [22:30:00] | therealgalen: | what would be so helpful with a pci-e mobo? |
| [22:30:00] | diamon: | Don't worry, once you start setting up recordings (like I did) you'll waste a LOT more time watching. |
| [22:30:00] | mchou: | MSFT recommends a vid card with >10GB of memory bandwidth for HDTV. |
| [22:31:00] | diamon: | PCI-e would have (theoretically) more bandwidth, but a good AGP card seems to do fine for folks here. |
| [22:31:00] | mchou: | which means nothing less than fx5700 Ultra :) |
| [22:31:00] | therealgalen: | ok, let's play the graphics card game |
| [22:31:00] | mchou: | AGP would fit the bill, but if you have to get >=fx5700 Ultra, why not go pci-e? |
| [22:32:00] | therealgalen: | I was wondering what the "magic number" was for how much you need |
| [22:32:00] | diamon: | Because they still cost another +100$ AFAICT. |
| [22:32:00] | Randall64: | Panasonic PT-AE700 is looking like a sweet deal. |
| [22:32:00] | therealgalen: | I'm loading up pricewatch.com |
| [22:33:00] | mchou: | diamon: what costs another $100? |
| [22:33:00] | Randall64: | there: pricegrabber is a much nicer site |
| [22:33:00] | diamon: | thereal: My 5200FX works great for my DVD-level video output. It might work well enough for HD even, but I can only swear to 720x540. |
| [22:33:00] | therealgalen: | pricegrabber is nicer, but pricewatch is better for more commodity-type things |
| [22:33:00] | diamon: | Or was it 740x480? Bah, I can't think today. Whatever DVD rez is. |
| [22:33:00] | mchou: | diamon: I was talkin 1080i obviously. |
| [22:33:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: i'm wanting 1080i :) |
| [22:34:00] | mchou: | maybe even 1080p :) |
| [22:34:00] | mchou: | but there is another problem w/ that of course. |
| [22:34:00] | therealgalen: | that's not gonna be coming over broadcast at the moment... |
| [22:35:00] | mchou: | ppl havent had much luck getting 1080i to work succesfully w/nvidia with dvi...... |
| [22:35:00] | therealgalen: | what's the difference between the different fx5700s? fx5700 le? |
| [22:35:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: look up the specs man, a world of differences. |
| [22:36:00] | mchou: | memory bandwith being one of them. |
| [22:36:00] | mchou: | not to mention clock. |
| [22:36:00] | diamon: | anything LE is usually a limited-functionality card. Might be faster memory than a normal card, but with half the pipelines, etc. |
| [22:36:00] | Randall64: | So which card is an all-in-one solution for analog and digital/ hdtv? |
| [22:36:00] | therealgalen: | I'm having a hard time finding the fx5700 ultra, but hold on |
| [22:37:00] | mchou: | trust me, you dont want to by the 5700 Ultra. pricy for what you get. |
| [22:37:00] | mchou: | buy* |
| [22:38:00] | mchou: | better alternatives exist now. |
| [22:38:00] | therealgalen: | ok hold on here, lets start over |
| [22:38:00] | mchou: | at a better price point. |
| [22:39:00] | mchou: | MSFT also recommends >=2.4Ghz proc, which to me actually sounds too low. |
| [22:39:00] | therealgalen: | My objective is to play HDTV 1080i smoothly. I am going to have an AMD64 3400 with either an AGP or PCI-E mobo – the mobos cost basically the same. I want the least expensive video card that's going to offer me good performance up to and including 1080i playback. |
| [22:40:00] | mchou: | I'd feel better with 3Ghz proc. |
| [22:40:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: I think your choice is clear. |
| [22:40:00] | Randall64: | mchou: Does that include a 3000+ AMD? |
| [22:40:00] | mchou: | Randall64: yeah. |
| [22:40:00] | Randall64: | excellent |
| [22:41:00] | Randall64: | I just know my cube is going to melt when I start doing HD on it. |
| [22:41:00] | Randall64: | Anyone have a modestly inexpensive projector they like? |
| [22:41:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: get a pci-e mobo with 6600gt. |
| [22:41:00] | diamon: | I built mine from the ground up to do HD eventually, all I need to do is get a good card. |
| [22:41:00] | diamon: | Capture card, that is. |
| [22:42:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: or maybe even 6600 straight up (you need to look up spec on that) |
| [22:42:00] | Randall64: | My damn 5200fx won't do 1680x1050 on the analog vga port. |
| [22:42:00] | Randall64: | I wish I could extract useful things like display timings in windoze. |
| [22:43:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: I appreciate all the feedback here. But in seriousness, why would I want PCI-E over AGP? Is the bandwidth insufficient with AGP? I'm going to pay at least a $50 premium on the card for PCI-E versus AGP |
| [22:43:00] | diamon: | I wish the cards themselves had a data area where they stored allowed resolutions, etc... |
| [22:43:00] | Randall64: | I think they do actually. |
| [22:43:00] | Randall64: | edid or whatever |
| [22:44:00] | diamon: | It can't be insufficient, folks here run HD 1080i with AGP. |
| [22:44:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: only reason is agp you are going with srious "legacy" |
| [22:44:00] | diamon: | randall: That's for the monitor to tell the card what it can accept. |
| [22:44:00] | Randall64: | Well, that's the display, but I think the nv driver says things about what the card can do as well. |
| [22:44:00] | mchou: | diamon: believe whatever you want :) |
| [22:44:00] | mchou: | serious* |
| [22:45:00] | mchou: | I'd rather pay $50 so I dont have to change mobo :) |
| [22:45:00] | mchou: | or resell an agp card later on down the road :) |
| [22:45:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: well, i'm going with a 754 pin mobo, so it's all a legacy system. but that saves me like $100 on the CPU |
| [22:45:00] | mchou: | I'm not saying agp is "inadequate" |
| [22:45:00] | diamon: | mchou: Err, suuuure! Anyway, I'll go hallucinate over here quietly... |
| [22:47:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: but you are almost at top end when it comes to graphics card. (>=fx5700 Ultra) |
| [22:47:00] | mchou: | (now, that is) |
| [22:47:00] | therealgalen: | I'm thinking I'll just be happy with AGP 8x. By the time I want to upgrade the system, I'll have to get a new mobo, but the savings of going with older stuff (754 pin saves $100 on the CPU, agp saves $50 on the GPU) are equal to the cost of a new mobo |
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| [22:48:00] | mchou: | I dont understand, 754 is $100 than 939??? |
| [22:48:00] | mchou: | less* |
| [22:48:00] | mchou: | that dont add up :) |
| [22:48:00] | therealgalen: | yeah, the 754-pin A64 CPUs are cheaper than 939 |
| [22:48:00] | mchou: | not by $100. |
| [22:48:00] | therealgalen: | I'm getting my A64 3400 for ~$150 |
| [22:49:00] | mchou: | maybe $50 at most. |
| [22:49:00] | mchou: | you dont need 3400 :) |
| [22:49:00] | therealgalen: | What do I need? |
| [22:49:00] | mchou: | 3200 should be sufficient, even 3000 |
| [22:49:00] | mchou: | but that's up to you. |
| [22:50:00] | mchou: | I dont do any transcoding. Your needs may differ :) |
| [22:50:00] | therealgalen: | And AMD 64 3500 939 costs ~$249–272. I'm paying ~$100 less for just 100 "points" or whatever less. |
| [22:50:00] | diamon: | Just for the record, I can't recall anyone ever complaining about having too fast a CPU to work with, or too much memory, or too large a HDD... |
| [22:51:00] | therealgalen: | I know! |
| [22:51:00] | therealgalen: | An AMD 64 3000 would only save me ~$15 |
| [22:51:00] | mchou: | diamon: sure. But I'm just pointing out he might be overspending in that dept :) |
| [22:52:00] | diamon: | True, true, might well not be needful. And 939's can get dual-channel memory, which is nice for performance. |
| [22:52:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: I'mtelling you you can do with lower cpu and you quote me pricing on an even higher cpu?? |
| [22:53:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: I appreciate you pointing that out, but I do plan on some transcoding and maybe a few other, erm, projects for the machine when it's not in use. I've done the numbers, the a64 3400 754 is the sweet spot in terms of performance. |
| [22:53:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: your call man :) |
| [22:53:00] | therealgalen: | and A64 3000 would cost $138. The 3400 is $150. |
| [22:54:00] | therealgalen: | It's $12 for 13% more performance. I think that's the best value, and with transcoding, deinterlacing, everything I see that more is better. |
| [22:54:00] | mchou: | heh, OK. |
| [22:54:00] | therealgalen: | In terms of bang for your buck, you get more points per dollar |
| [22:55:00] | therealgalen: | And it's the fastest 754 pin available, so I won't be upgrading beyond it. |
| [22:56:00] | djperegrine: | When I start X it says failed to load module bitmap |
| [22:56:00] | therealgalen: | Hmmmm I found a PCI-E 6600 GT that includes and integrated hdtv encoder that supports 1080i... somehow I doubt that's usable under linux but hmmmmm |
| [22:56:00] | mchou: | hdtv encoder??? |
| [22:56:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:57:00] | therealgalen: | http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merc . . . tch&NR=1 |
| [22:57:00] | mchou: | hdtv is encoded already :) |
| [22:57:00] | therealgalen: | It almost looks like it's able to encode MPEG-2 at 1080i in realtime. Or they're just lying and don't know what the (*$# they're talking about |
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| [22:58:00] | mchou: | I dont see "encode" anywhere on that link. |
| [22:58:00] | therealgalen: | Integrated HDTV Encoder |
| [22:58:00] | therealgalen: | Provides world-class HDTV-out functionality up to and including 1920x1080i resolutions. |
| [22:59:00] | mchou: | haha... that's rich. |
| [22:59:00] | therealgalen: | AGP 8x = 2.1 GB/sec = 16.8 Gb/s = more than the MSFT suggested 10 Gb/sec |
| [22:59:00] | mchou: | nvidia marketspeak? |
| [22:59:00] | djperegrine: | When I start X it says failed to load module bitmap |
| [23:00:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: I never said agp was inadequate. |
| [23:00:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: i was just making sure, i like to cover all my bases |
| [23:00:00] | mchou: | my thrust was you pretty much have to buy a high end card anyways. |
| [23:00:00] | therealgalen: | djperegrine: maybe you should try #linux because that sounds like a linux issue |
| [23:01:00] | diamon: | Actually, nvidia has had a HDTV-capable encoder as part and parcel of their cards since the GF3 Ti if memory serves, though the capabilities of the chips have grown. |
| [23:01:00] | therealgalen: | Aside from the interface, is there any technical reason PCI-E cards would be better than AGP 8x? |
| [23:01:00] | Randall64: | Don't you have to be careful to match up your HDTV display with your video card? |
| [23:01:00] | diamon: | Power, I suppose. PCI-e has more capability for power through its bus than AGP I believe. |
| [23:01:00] | djperegrine: | nm |
| [23:02:00] | mchou: | greater Bandwidth and power. |
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| [23:02:00] | diamon: | And bandwidth, yes. |
| [23:02:00] | mchou: | electrical power. |
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| [23:02:00] | t0t3r: | can u force mythtv to always use the same startchannel ? |
| [23:03:00] | diamon: | t0t3r: I think it has an option for that, though I think that's only for irblast-type external tuner things. |
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| [23:03:00] | therealgalen: | sorry, my client died, i'm back |
| [23:03:00] | t0t3r: | i just need myth to always start at chan 1 |
| [23:04:00] | diamon: | I haven't tried it, but I think I saw an option for that. |
| [23:05:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: why would I want the 6600 gt over a lower end card? what is the magic factor I'm looking for that determines if I'm going to have good HDTV 1080i playback? |
| [23:05:00] | therealgalen: | (I'm one of those annoying people who always wants to know why, sorry!) |
| [23:06:00] | mchou: | no particular reason. 6600gt is good price/performance if you go pci-e is all. |
| [23:06:00] | mchou: | any greater would be a waste. |
| [23:06:00] | mchou: | any less you'd get less performance/$ |
| [23:07:00] | therealgalen: | So how would I rank a card to see if it would be sufficient? If I go AGP 8x (which I'm leaning towards), would your recommendation change? |
| [23:07:00] | mchou: | like I said, if you go agp fx5700 Ul or greater would "ork" |
| [23:07:00] | therealgalen: | but yeah, i'm all for the sweet spot pricing technique :) |
| [23:08:00] | mchou: | work* |
| [23:08:00] | therealgalen: | (sorry, irc client died and the history was deleted) |
| [23:08:00] | mchou: | plus I'm not sure if nvidia ever fixed the 6800. |
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| [23:08:00] | therealgalen: | fixed? what was broken? |
| [23:09:00] | mchou: | wmv decode |
| [23:09:00] | therealgalen: | does that affect linux? (I do not plan on running Windows) |
| [23:09:00] | mchou: | not a big deal when it comes to linux :) |
| [23:09:00] | hlubocky: | anyone use gentoo and emerge the ivtv or use the ivtv ebuilds? It looks like everything works but when I type "modprobe ivtv" it says FATAL: module not found |
| [23:09:00] | mchou: | I just dont like paying premium for busted HW :) |
| [23:10:00] | therealgalen: | ok, lets see what an fx 5700 ultra would run |
| [23:10:00] | therealgalen: | Why am I having such a hard time finding an fx 5700 ultra? |
| [23:10:00] | mchou: | lol, I told ya already. :) |
| [23:11:00] | therealgalen: | i'm sorry, i had the logs then the client crashed |
| [23:11:00] | therealgalen: | care to copy and paste, maybe even just pm it? |
| [23:11:00] | mchou: | fx line was never competitive against ati |
| [23:11:00] | ShockValue: | hlubocky rebooted since you emerged? |
| [23:12:00] | therealgalen: | if you can't get an fx 5700 ultra, why would you recommend it? |
| [23:12:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: stop using a POS client. |
| [23:12:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: my client has never crashed before now |
| [23:12:00] | mchou: | I didnt recommend fx5700. I said it would work. |
| [23:12:00] | therealgalen: | ohh ok |
| [23:12:00] | mchou: | that's hardly a recommendation :) |
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| [23:13:00] | therealgalen: | then what's the next level above that that I *could* purchase? |
| [23:13:00] | mchou: | probabaly a 6600 or 6200 |
| [23:13:00] | mchou: | not sure if 6200 has enough mem bw. |
| [23:13:00] | mchou: | it might. |
| [23:13:00] | lucas: | is anyone here able to run the tv out on their ati on PAL or NTSC resolutions? Mine only wants to do 800x600 or 640x480.. |
| [23:14:00] | therealgalen: | The 6200 is considerably cheaper than the 6600, i'll check the memory bandwidth |
| [23:14:00] | lucas: | this scales the interlaced mpeg's I've captured, and picture quality suffers tremendously. |
| [23:14:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: how much VRAM would I want for HDTV? Would there be advantage to 256 MB over 128 MB? I'm tending to think no.... |
| [23:15:00] | mchou: | VRAM is only for textures. |
| [23:15:00] | mchou: | you dont need extra. |
| [23:15:00] | therealgalen: | That's what I thought. |
| [23:15:00] | lucas: | and vertexbuffers :p |
| [23:15:00] | mchou: | well, sdame dealio. |
| [23:15:00] | mchou: | :) |
| [23:15:00] | therealgalen: | Hmmm it seems the 6200 is cheaper in PCI-E than AGP... |
| [23:15:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:17:00] | therealgalen: | and i can double the vram in the pci-e for $4 |
| [23:17:00] | therealgalen: | now to check the memory bandwidth |
| [23:17:00] | mchou: | oh, make sure you get a card that has component out and DVI :) |
| [23:17:00] | mchou: | cause that's gonna change the pricing a bit. |
| [23:17:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [23:18:00] | therealgalen: | I hear I'm going to have issues with outputting 1920x1080 via DVI |
| [23:18:00] | therealgalen: | I think I could live without component video out, however. |
| [23:19:00] | mchou: | you might even want to find a card with 2 dvi-out :) |
| [23:19:00] | mchou: | hehe :) |
| [23:19:00] | therealgalen: | I wonder how it would be to set that up under linux... |
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| [23:20:00] | diamon: | If it's the only thing connected, it's mostly automatic. I added one option for overscan to my x.conf file for TV support. If I have a monitor on it, it uses that, if not, the TV. Exactly the way I wanted it to operate. |
| [23:20:00] | ** Randall64 waits for M$ 1080p sample to finish downloading ** | |
| [23:20:00] | diamon: | Oh, two options, I enabled RenderAccel as well. |
| [23:21:00] | therealgalen: | memory bandwidth depends on the specific card, correct? |
| [23:21:00] | therealgalen: | (not the GPU?) |
| [23:21:00] | Randall64: | IIRC some cards are crippled wrt memory bandwidth for marketing reasons. |
| [23:22:00] | therealgalen: | so the trick is to find cards where you can actually get the memory bandwidth, so far a lot of them are not listing it |
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| [23:22:00] | therealgalen: | ugh these 6200s are using "shared vram" |
| [23:23:00] | Randall64: | Well, I think it varies by model lines. |
| [23:23:00] | therealgalen: | that sounds bad |
| [23:23:00] | mchou: | bad!! |
| [23:23:00] | mchou: | shared vram sux on a64 |
| [23:23:00] | GotD0t: | the 6200s with a pci-express slot are all shared vram |
| [23:23:00] | GotD0t: | IIRC |
| [23:23:00] | therealgalen: | that's what i'm starting to see |
| [23:23:00] | Randall64: | M$ keeps trying to convince me that DRM protects me. |
| [23:23:00] | therealgalen: | hmmm back to agp :) |
| [23:23:00] | mchou: | integrated memory controller, remember? |
| [23:23:00] | diamon: | pci-e can do that, just make sure it has decent amounts of 'local texture memory' or whatever the marketing term is nowadays for pci-e memory on the card itself. |
| [23:23:00] | diamon: | Randall: And eating lead is good for you too! |
| [23:23:00] | mchou: | local memory. |
| [23:24:00] | GotD0t: | therealgalen: you're going to have to get the 6600 if you want pci-express with dedicated memory |
| [23:24:00] | mchou: | Randall64: where?? |
| [23:24:00] | therealgalen: | ugh back to the $50-price premium for nothing really tangible :( |
| [23:25:00] | diamon: | Flip a coin to decide and be done with it. :) PCI-e is 'the new way', and AGP is mature, also meaning nearing its end of life. Each has upsides and downsides. |
| [23:25:00] | therealgalen: | I'm deciding based on price. |
| [23:25:00] | diamon: | And if money's an issue, just give up and go AGP. :P |
| [23:25:00] | Randall64: | Also, how often do you actually upgrade components in a peecee? |
| [23:25:00] | Randall64: | s/upgrade/replace/ |
| [23:25:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: seriously, what's ther reason you wouldnt buy P4 right now? :) |
| [23:26:00] | mchou: | Randall64: I do it all the time. |
| [23:26:00] | mchou: | waiting for dual core sweet spot :) |
| [23:26:00] | diamon: | Mmm, dual-core.... |
| [23:27:00] | diamon: | That'll be my next upgrade I think. |
| [23:27:00] | mchou: | that would be a nice upgrade :) |
| [23:27:00] | mchou: | they have dual core 754??? :) |
| [23:27:00] | mchou: | hehe :) |
| [23:27:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: if i bought a P4, it would cost me MORE for a 3 GHz than an A64 3400. Do you think it offers more performance than an A64 3400? |
| [23:27:00] | Randall64: | mchou: But you're a hardware freak. |
| [23:28:00] | Randall64: | Most of us just want a computer to Do Stuff. |
| [23:28:00] | mchou: | my upgrades never involve code changes (plug and play) |
| [23:28:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: would it be that bad if I got a 6200 w/64 MB onboard? and then it has shared memory beyond that, up to 256 MB or whatever |
| [23:29:00] | mchou: | that's another reason to go 939 :) |
| [23:29:00] | djperegrine: | whats the refresh rate for standard tv's |
| [23:29:00] | djperegrine: | ? |
| [23:29:00] | diamon: | I make computers for specific tasks, and am brutally picky about what I will use to build it. My friends used to be jealous about how I could 'service' my own systems so I had less downtime than them, until they gave me money to upgrade them, then they realized that careful selection of parts has a lot to do with it. |
| [23:29:00] | mchou: | shared mem on a64 is nono. |
| [23:29:00] | mchou: | even worse performance than agp. |
| [23:29:00] | stoffel: | djperegrine: 50Hz |
| [23:30:00] | therealgalen: | But could I just disable it or something? I can't imagine that I would need more than 64 MB for HDTV, and that's all onboard... |
| [23:30:00] | stoffel: | some use 60Hz i've heard |
| [23:30:00] | mchou: | integrated mem controller on a64 chocks on share vmem. |
| [23:30:00] | mchou: | chokes* |
| [23:30:00] | therealgalen: | 60 hz = US/NTSC, 50 hz = PAL IIRC |
| [23:30:00] | lucas: | doh... nobody running mythtv on an ati's tvout ? :( |
| [23:30:00] | therealgalen: | ok so it seems a 6200 is not an option then. they are all are shared memory |
| [23:30:00] | diamon: | lucas: NVidia here. |
| [23:31:00] | diamon: | Shared memory == badness. |
| [23:32:00] | mchou: | I got my venice 3200, asus a7n-e, and windows XP 64 for $250 :) |
| [23:32:00] | therealgalen: | or maybe not quite all |
| [23:32:00] | mchou: | that's what clinched the decision to go pci-e. |
| [23:32:00] | lucas: | diamon, does it let you run native NTSC / PAL resolution? |
| [23:32:00] | mchou: | over agp. |
| [23:33:00] | therealgalen: | Is "Advanced Motion Adaptive De-Interlacing delivers a crisp, |
| [23:33:00] | therealgalen: | clear video and DVD playback" available for HDTV hardware accelerated deinterlacing? |
| [23:33:00] | diamon: | I'm NTSC, for the record. Umm, what do you mean? My NVidia is driving my TV over s-video at 800x600x60hz. |
| [23:34:00] | lucas: | diamon: and you don't feel your image quality could be better? I record at PAL 720x576. My recordings are interlaced. |
| [23:34:00] | lucas: | to play that on 800x600 it has to be scaled up. |
| [23:34:00] | lucas: | so all the interlaced lines get mixed with eachother. |
| [23:34:00] | lucas: | then the card has to scale it down to 720x576 again (as that gets sent to the tv over svideo) |
| [23:35:00] | lucas: | this is horrendous for my image quality. |
| [23:35:00] | lucas: | things like tennis show this problem best. |
| [23:35:00] | mchou: | or bike racing :) |
| [23:35:00] | lucas: | I want to get rid of the two scaling operations. |
| [23:35:00] | mchou: | like tour de france :) |
| [23:35:00] | lucas: | actually the tour the france isn't all that bad :) |
| [23:36:00] | diamon: | Can't say I watch tennis, but I do watch Cops, which has a loght of high-motion. I think the quality is adequate. I dropped my recording bandwidth a bit to save disk space though, so they're not the highest-quality. It's a PVR-150, as my capture card. |
| [23:37:00] | lucas: | right.. I use a 350 for recording.. maybe I've just gotten spoilt with its great tv out quality when decoding mpeg2... |
| [23:37:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: OK, so I've browsed through like 100 6200 cards. They either have typos or use "turbocache" shared vram. Below the 6600, are there any less expensive models that would suffice? |
| [23:37:00] | lucas: | I want to move my tvout to a different card though, as the lack of xv support is getting to me. |
| [23:37:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: nope |
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| [23:38:00] | mchou: | unless the mythical fx5700 Ultra :) |
| [23:38:00] | diamon: | Wouldn't a 5800 work? |
| [23:38:00] | diamon: | Aren't they fairly common? |
| [23:38:00] | mchou: | oh, forgot about those :) |
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| [23:39:00] | therealgalen: | searching |
| [23:39:00] | therealgalen: | they don't seem very common |
| [23:40:00] | diamon: | It's wasted time like this that makes it worth it to me to just buy video cards from my local CompUSA. :) That, and I like the extended warranty... |
| [23:40:00] | mchou: | dude, how many times I gotta say it, fx line was not competitive against ATI at the time? |
| [23:40:00] | therealgalen: | yeah i'm seeing that |
| [23:40:00] | therealgalen: | sometimes i have to learn for myself :) |
| [23:41:00] | diamon: | mchou: Yep, what with their shader problems and poor performance they had there for a bit... |
| [23:41:00] | therealgalen: | So a 6600 it is |
| [23:41:00] | therealgalen: | now the question is, which one? |
| [23:41:00] | diamon: | What price is that 6600, for curiousity? |
| [23:41:00] | therealgalen: | lol |
| [23:41:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: you dont want to upgrade to a dual core? :) |
| [23:41:00] | therealgalen: | $125-ish for 8x AGP |
| [23:42:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: i'd love a dual core, but they're sooooooo expensive right now, if you're talking CPUs.... |
| [23:42:00] | diamon: | Not bad. |
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| [23:42:00] | mchou: | not right now. later. |
| [23:42:00] | mchou: | no 754 dual cores ever :) |
| [23:42:00] | mchou: | hehe :) |
| [23:43:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: later, sure, but for now i'm happy enough, and i can buy a new mobo down the road with the amount i'm saving on the CPU by going 754 now |
| [23:43:00] | mchou: | what's a 754 + mobo combo cost? |
| [23:43:00] | therealgalen: | i'm not seeing memory bandwidth specs on most of the 6600 cards, but can I safely assume it'll be 10 Gb/sec+? |
| [23:44:00] | therealgalen: | ~$100 for the mobo, ~$150 for the a64 3400 |
| [23:44:00] | therealgalen: | and it's a nice mobo |
| [23:44:00] | mchou: | ouch!! |
| [23:44:00] | diamon: | Ouch? |
| [23:44:00] | mchou: | I paid hate much for 3200 venice and a8n-e mobo, plus XP 64 OS thrown in. |
| [23:45:00] | mchou: | s/hate/that |
| [23:45:00] | mchou: | that was all $250. |
| [23:46:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: you better re-evaluate where you buying HW :) |
| [23:46:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: keep in mind this is a k8n-3 deluxe w/gigabit ethernet, 1394a, 8 channel optical and coax spdif onboard, raid chipset, support for 6 SATA and 2 PATA devices, etc |
| [23:46:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: i'm viewing this system as an appliance. hdtv and file storage. it needs to be a good appliance, but I may well never upgrade it. |
| [23:46:00] | mchou: | lol. I have all that except 1394, which I may regret. |
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| [23:47:00] | Randall64: | oh man, s-video on my 2005fpw looks bad |
| [23:47:00] | therealgalen: | let me check the specs on the a8n-e |
| [23:48:00] | therealgalen: | i can't find any other mobos with those features for any less |
| [23:48:00] | mchou: | that's cause you arent looking for combos :) |
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| [23:49:00] | therealgalen: | nobody makes combos of what i want, as far as i can tell |
| [23:49:00] | mchou: | there is a nice 754 matx mobo with all that for $50. |
| [23:49:00] | therealgalen: | anyhow i've got to get running here |
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| [23:49:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: where? the raid features are important to me |
| [23:49:00] | mchou: | newegg. look up foxconn. |
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| [23:50:00] | therealgalen: | i did extensive searches there, they were all missing the proper levels of raid/sata stuff and/or audio |
| [23:51:00] | xris: | therealgalen: btw, main issue with LSI controllers is that they have a tendency to NOT disable drive write caches, but say they do. |
| [23:51:00] | xris: | (this spawned the big thing that Brad from livejournal posted about a couple of months back) |
| [23:51:00] | therealgalen: | xris: good to see you, i've been re-evaluating my RAID arrangement |
| [23:52:00] | therealgalen: | I'm thinking RAID5 is not cost-effective when 250 GB SATA drives run $100 |
| [23:52:00] | NightBird: | well...Raid 10 wouldn't be cost effective |
| [23:52:00] | xris: | therealgalen: yup |
| [23:53:00] | therealgalen: | xris: yeah, raid 10/0+1 would be actually |
| [23:53:00] | NightBird: | heh |
| [23:53:00] | mchou: | I dont understand why anyone would want mobo raid. |
| [23:53:00] | xris: | therealgalen: raid 10 is good. fast, etc. |
| [23:53:00] | mchou: | it's all SW raid. |
| [23:53:00] | xris: | mchou: because it sucks, of course. :) |
| [23:53:00] | xris: | mchou: worse than that, it's bad-driver software raid. |
| [23:53:00] | diamon: | mchou: If it's supported cleanly, I like the offloading of data-handling. Most cheaper ones don't do that though. |
| [23:53:00] | mchou: | heh, that too. |
| [23:54:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: just get it over with and get this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813186042 |
| [23:54:00] | therealgalen: | xris: the k8n-e deluxe has bios-level support for riads via onboard riaid support |
| [23:54:00] | mchou: | therealgalen: lol. why bother? |
| [23:55:00] | xris: | therealgalen: hmm, dunno anything about that stuff. never seen real bios-level raid stuff on a motherboard. |
| [23:55:00] | mchou: | bios level bullshit. |
| [23:55:00] | therealgalen: | i pulled the documentation on the chipset. it appears to be true |
| [23:55:00] | mchou: | those mobo raid solns are useless. |
| [23:55:00] | xris: | therealgalen: seriously, your options are: kernel raid (great for 1, 0 and 10) or a good (expensive) card. |
| [23:55:00] | mchou: | you'd be better off using md in linux. |
| [23:56:00] | xris: | anything else will become a hassle at some point (either during install, or recovery) |
| [23:56:00] | therealgalen: | what if i want to run another os? then it becomes an issue |
| [23:56:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:56:00] | therealgalen: | it appears that the bios level stuff is os-independent |
| [23:56:00] | mchou: | Bullshit |
| [23:56:00] | xris: | therealgalen: so you're going to format a giant fat32 drive? |
| [23:56:00] | mchou: | it's driver dependent |
| [23:56:00] | mchou: | of course it need OS :) |
| [23:56:00] | xris: | (keep in mind that windows can't read any linux filesystems that I know of) |
| [23:57:00] | therealgalen: | mchou: no, it does not appear to need any drivers |
| [23:57:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:57:00] | therealgalen: | the BIOS handles all the configuration |
| [23:57:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [23:57:00] | mchou: | you really outta your depth on this one. |
| [23:58:00] | therealgalen: | look for youself |
| [23:58:00] | mchou: | you are being penny wise and pound foolish. |
| [23:58:00] | therealgalen: | http://www.siliconimage.com/support/downloadr . . . araid=0& |
| [23:58:00] | mchou: | haha!! |
| [23:58:00] | therealgalen: | mobo manual |
| [23:58:00] | therealgalen: | http://support.asus.com/download/download.asp . . . N-E%20Deluxe |
| [23:59:00] | xris: | therealgalen: if it needs a driver, it's not 100% bios |
| [23:59:00] | xris: | and the SiS stuff *is* software-driver-raid. |
| [23:59:00] | therealgalen: | the driver is for raid5 and jbod configuration |
| [23:59:00] | diamon: | Err, everything needs a driver. I can't see how that fits. |
| [23:59:00] | xris: | diamon: s/driver/special driver./ |
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