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Friday, July 15th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
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[00:01:00] Keith: uhoh
[00:01:00] Keith: i just assembeld my myth box
[00:01:00] Keith: pluguged it in
[00:01:00] Keith: turned it on
[00:01:00] Keith: and
[00:01:00] Keith: beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
[00:01:00] Keith: any ideas on what it is
[00:01:00] Maveric: keith it isn't mythtv
[00:01:00] Maveric: your talking about like a bios post beep right?
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[00:02:00] Keith: didnt even plug in the monitor
[00:02:00] Keith: plugged it in to see if anything worked
[00:02:00] Keith: it powered on, LEDS went on, i can hear the fans
[00:02:00] Keith: but irght away
[00:02:00] Keith: beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
[00:02:00] Keith: continuous
[00:02:00] Maveric: look at your mobo handbook for error codes
[00:02:00] Maveric: this is mythtv here
[00:02:00] Keith: ok, but any idea on what it is?
[00:02:00] Maveric: not hardware help
[00:02:00] Maveric: no video card
[00:02:00] Maveric: or
[00:03:00] Maveric: no cpu
[00:03:00] Maveric: or no ram
[00:03:00] Keith: hmmmm
[00:03:00] Keith: ok
[00:03:00] Maveric: or bad any one of those compenets
[00:03:00] Maveric: something along those lines
[00:03:00] Keith: i hope its not bad ocmcpoments, i just bougth tehm!
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[00:12:00] jonK: woot for Hauppauge!
[00:13:00] jonK: i managed to destroy my IR receiver for the pvr350 (case was tipped over to pull cards, and manged to slice cable in two against hard edge of tv stand)
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[00:14:00] jonK: their support is sending me a replacement in response to a request
[00:14:00] jonK: I find that right neighborly of them
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[00:18:00] Maveric: that is very nice of them
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[00:27:00] KeithNJPride: can anyone here help me out with a hardware problem?>
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[00:31:00] kormoc: we could try
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[00:32:00] KeithNJPride: thanks korm
[00:32:00] KeithNJPride: i just built my myth tv
[00:32:00] KeithNJPride: turn it on with nothing but a monitor plugged in
[00:32:00] KeithNJPride: and i get nothing on the screen
[00:32:00] KeithNJPride: just
[00:32:00] KeithNJPride: beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
[00:32:00] KeithNJPride: then a pause after 10 seconds of beeping
[00:32:00] KeithNJPride: then 10 seconds later it does it again
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[00:33:00] kormoc: that's a bios issue
[00:33:00] kormoc: your mobo manual will tell you what beep codes mean what
[00:34:00] KeithNJPride: i cant find it in the manual.... it was an all in one case.
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[00:36:00] sphing: how can i backup my 30 gig to my 160 gig
[00:36:00] TheAsp: Any likely cause why 0.18.1's frontend keeps dieing on me?
[00:36:00] sphing: dd gives me I/O error when writing to the 160
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[00:41:00] rben: anyone know anything about getting the dct-channel program working properly?
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[00:54:00] SlicerDicer-: rben, yep
[00:55:00] SlicerDicer-: rben, you got to play with it a bit follow my insane instructions and it should work
[00:55:00] SlicerDicer-: you have to change to the directory that dct-channel is located in run 'make' and then you should end up with a executable called channel
[00:56:00] SlicerDicer-: once you have that executable you may need to play with it by doing 'channel --port=/dev/ttyS1 55' that should change it to channel 55 if it does not do 'channel --port=/dev/ttyS2 55' and so forth
[00:57:00] SlicerDicer-: once it does that and you find out what your serial is on then the real fun begins
[00:58:00] SlicerDicer-: you can take that and modify the source I cant remember the file but if you grep the files in there for 'ttyS0' there should be only a few results it should be pretty self explaining on what one is what then just change that as needed
[00:59:00] SlicerDicer-: from there you can make the new executable by running 'make' again then you can use it without having to specify the --port and then copy the entire dct-channel folder or at least this is what I did to /usr/bin so you have /usr/bin/dct-channel/ and then point mythtv external tuner to it and wham bam it should work
[00:59:00] SlicerDicer-: does that help?
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[01:08:00] mace: i'm having a problem with programs getting recorded multiple times
[01:09:00] mace: a search of the mailing list suggests that in 2003 the title, subtitle and description fields must all both be populated and be identical for dupe checking to work
[01:09:00] mace: is that correct, and if so, is there some way to allow the subtitle to be empty?
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[01:10:00] mace: i've set myth to record 'top gear', but there are about 5 repeats of it a day, and it ends up mostly filling the disk up :(
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[01:46:00] rabies: hi, im trying to set up mythtv on a debian box, but so far i cant get the drivers to work correctly
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[01:47:00] rabies: nvidia wont output correctly so i have to use nv, i think its cause nvidia isnt ddc probing while nv is
[01:47:00] rabies: why i dont know
[01:47:00] rabies: any ideas on how to set up my tv to display a resolution correctly higher than 720x480?
[01:50:00] kormoc: well, are you sure your tv can go higher?
[01:50:00] kormoc: and nvidia is the driver you want to use, you can force it to ddc probe.
[01:50:00] kormoc: it's all layed out in the driver readme
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[01:51:00] rabies: its a HDTV over a DVI-I connetion
[01:52:00] rabies: im telling it to probe, it just wont probe..
[01:52:00] rabies: ill look in the docs though
[01:52:00] rabies: the max according to nc is 1920.540
[01:52:00] rabies: nv*
[01:52:00] rabies: ill brb
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[01:55:00] rabies: w00!
[01:55:00] rabies: yay
[01:55:00] rabies: 1920x540!
[01:55:00] rabies: just a bit too big though
[01:55:00] rabies: and still on nv =\
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[01:57:00] rabies: who was talking w/ me?
[01:57:00] djperegrine: <kormoc>
[01:58:00] rabies: thanks
[01:58:00] rabies: brb
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[02:04:00] djperegrine: When I type cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg It says the device is busy, how do I figure out what program is using it ?
[02:04:00] Qwell: lsof?
[02:05:00] djperegrine: lsof ?
[02:05:00] Qwell: lsof
[02:05:00] djperegrine: emerging
[02:05:00] djperegrine: :D
[02:05:00] Qwell: eww, gentoo?
[02:05:00] djperegrine: yea
[02:05:00] kormoc: gentoo rox
[02:06:00] djperegrine: depends on how much time you got on your hands
[02:06:00] djperegrine: :P
[02:06:00] djperegrine: Its the best for servers I think
[02:06:00] ** kormoc blinks **
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[02:06:00] kormoc: I actually think it's bad for servers
[02:06:00] rabies: kormoc: hey
[02:06:00] rabies: well nvidia is a bust
[02:07:00] rabies: EDID does not work w/ that driver
[02:07:00] rabies: ironic isnt it?
[02:07:00] kormoc: I'd much rather have a stable debian on a production driver.
[02:07:00] kormoc: rabies, are you sure? cause NV doesn't do any EDID or any form of display probing at all
[02:07:00] rabies: kormoc: yes it does
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[02:07:00] rabies: kormoc: according to the log
[02:07:00] kormoc: it didn't used to at least, it required modelines
[02:07:00] rabies: well it requires modelines
[02:08:00] rabies: but in the log it prints out the EDID modeline
[02:08:00] rabies: er, modelines
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[02:08:00] rabies: i have 720x480 and 1920x540
[02:08:00] kormoc: modelines override EDID probing anyway, iirc
[02:09:00] rabies: sounds right
[02:10:00] kormoc: so even if the nvidia driver didn't probe, it'd still work, if those modelines are correct
[02:10:00] rabies: can i adjust the overscan w/ nv?
[02:10:00] rabies: kormoc: you'd htink so
[02:10:00] rabies: kormoc: but w/ nvidia X crashes
[02:10:00] rabies: using the latest stable drivers
[02:10:00] kormoc: overscan is adjusted in myth iirc.
[02:10:00] kormoc: what's the error?
[02:10:00] rabies: i can pm you the log
[02:10:00] rabies: pastebin isnt all that feasable right now
[02:10:00] kormoc: sure
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[02:18:00] xris: rabies: learn to use pastebin (re pasting stuff to kormoc)
[02:19:00] kormoc: or just paste the dozen or so lines that actually matter :P
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[02:19:00] abarbaccia: anybody here running ubuntu – because i wrote a guide – and reformatted my box to test the guide fully – and well, now transcode won't install
[02:19:00] abarbaccia: lol
[02:20:00] abarbaccia: if anybody has some help – i'd appreciate it
[02:20:00] jonK: woot!
[02:20:00] jonK: what happens when you try to install
[02:21:00] abarbaccia: depends errors-
[02:21:00] djperegrine: How do I reset ivtvctl back to the defualt when it was loaded?
[02:21:00] abarbaccia: i have the nerim marillot-testing source
[02:21:00] jonK: are you compiling from source or installing a package?
[02:21:00] abarbaccia: jonK, honestly i took notes but lost a page and i'm really pissed because iremember going through all this from before
[02:21:00] abarbaccia: installing
[02:23:00] jonK: which package is givving the error?
[02:24:00] Qwell: shouldn't apt fix all of those dependancy errors?
[02:25:00] hadeees: some guy on qvc just said a plasam tv would last the rest of you life
[02:25:00] Qwell: ha
[02:25:00] hadeees: mabey if you were 83
[02:25:00] TheAsp: hah
[02:25:00] abarbaccia: jonK, transcode
[02:25:00] TheAsp: yeah, 83 with aids
[02:25:00] Qwell: They said that about B&W too
[02:26:00] jonK: even if it would, given the rate of change, would you want it to?
[02:26:00] jonK: i mean if my 1972 dodge dart was going to last "the rest of my life"
[02:26:00] jonK: would it be worth more?
[02:26:00] jonK: or less?
[02:26:00] Qwell: hadeees: Did you record him saying that?
[02:26:00] hadeees: its actually shopathome
[02:26:00] hadeees: Qwell, hehe no
[02:26:00] Qwell: buy one, and 10 years down the road if it breaks, sue for false advertising :p
[02:26:00] jonK: and why are you copping to watching qvc?
[02:27:00] abarbaccia: jonK, do you remember the steps you took to install all that stuff?
[02:27:00] hadeees: jonK, its funny
[02:27:00] abarbaccia: i need like libdvdread and a few others too right jonK
[02:27:00] hadeees: jonK, the guy just keeps repeting No Burn in
[02:29:00] jonK: check mythdocs 19.2 abarvaccia
[02:29:00] jonK: abar i compile from source
[02:29:00] djperegrine: When I do mplayer /dev/video0 I get static
[02:30:00] djperegrine: what steps should I take to fix this?
[02:30:00] jonK: that depends on why it's broken
[02:30:00] iggy: tune a channel
[02:30:00] jonK: start with the cable is it plugged in?
[02:30:00] jonK: and what is it plugged into?
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[02:31:00] Qwell: with what type of cable, from what source?
[02:31:00] djperegrine: comcast?
[02:31:00] djperegrine: basic cable
[02:32:00] djperegrine: I did ivtvctl -r 980 same thing
[02:32:00] jonK: no, we mean the physical cable
[02:32:00] jonK: is it actually plugged into things?
[02:33:00] djperegrine: the wall
[02:33:00] jonK: and the other end?
[02:33:00] djperegrine: it goes from the wall directly to my computer
[02:33:00] djperegrine: what?
[02:34:00] jonK: if you plug it into a TV instead does it give you a picture?
[02:34:00] djperegrine: yea
[02:34:00] jonK: but it's plugged into your computer and nothing... what's it actaully plugged into?
[02:34:00] djperegrine: the tv tuner...
[02:34:00] djperegrine: PVR150MCE
[02:35:00] jonK: have you loaded the ivtv kernel module?
[02:35:00] djperegrine: yes...
[02:35:00] kormoc: so would someone tell rabies when he's done pasting me his entire log file that I have to go, I'd love to help but yeah, the log file is still being sent 20 min later, one line at a time, and I'm out.
[02:35:00] ** kormoc waves **
[02:36:00] djperegrine: wow wierd
[02:36:00] djperegrine: now it fades in and out
[02:36:00] rabies: kormoc: want the config file?
[02:36:00] Qwell: djperegrine: hit the top of the set!
[02:36:00] rabies: kormoc: thanks for takin a look
[02:36:00] rabies: kormoc: let me know if anything looks good
[02:36:00] rabies: r bad
[02:36:00] rabies: as the casemay be
[02:37:00] Qwell: adjust the antenna...
[02:37:00] rabies: xris: i know how
[02:37:00] rabies: xris: im jnust not good at pastin in a console
[02:37:00] rabies: kormoc: if i knew'm i would of
[02:37:00] Qwell: wow
[02:37:00] rabies: kormoc: this is mostly new to me
[02:37:00] rabies: kormoc: =\
[02:37:00] rabies: kormoc: any ideas?
[02:37:00] kormoc: you're kernel driver and kernel or your kernel driver and xorg's glx module is mismatched, you'll need to reinstall them
[02:37:00] djperegrine: antenna :O
[02:37:00] djperegrine: I wnat cable
[02:37:00] kormoc: that's really the only thing I could think of
[02:37:00] ** kormoc needs to get going **
[02:37:00] kormoc: hope you solve it, have a good evening
[02:37:00] djperegrine: ohh that static is from the antenna and not the cable isn't it
[02:38:00] Qwell: djperegrine: dunno, I was joking
[02:38:00] djperegrine: I know
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[02:39:00] abarbaccia: jonK, if you got some time – i would like to seee your sources.list file for a reference – thanks!
[02:39:00] rabies: kormoc|afk: so the module is using the wrong soures?
[02:39:00] rabies: this is xfree
[02:39:00] jonK: djper post the dmesg lines for ivtv to pastebin
[02:40:00] rabies: i wonder if i compikled wrong..
[02:40:00] rabies: hrm
[02:41:00] Qwell: djperegrine: Don't forget to try the FM tuner for me... fmtools or something
[02:41:00] djperegrine: I'm rebootin
[02:42:00] djperegrine: I'm on my laptop :>
[02:42:00] djperegrine: I can login to xchat though
[02:42:00] djperegrine: its very possible that the thing isn't screwed in right
[02:42:00] djperegrine: If it wasn't could it cause static?
[02:43:00] Qwell: Do you actually get some picture?
[02:43:00] djperegrine: no just staic
[02:44:00] abarbaccia: jonK, ?
[02:44:00] djperegrine: I tried unscrewing it but it wont' come off :O
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[02:44:00] BMOC: hi
[02:45:00] BMOC: i seem to be recording myth programs at a lower volume
[02:45:00] BMOC: yet pcm capture is maxed?
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[02:45:00] BMOC: pvr 150
[02:48:00] TheAsp: lower compared to what?
[02:48:00] BMOC: all other pcm stuff
[02:48:00] BMOC: mp3s et
[02:49:00] TheAsp: much lower?
[02:49:00] BMOC: like 70% compared to 100%
[02:49:00] TheAsp: oh
[02:50:00] TheAsp: don't have a pvr, but my bt records lower volume too
[02:50:00] TheAsp: BMOC: does the 150 have a dac?
[02:50:00] BMOC: it just started
[02:50:00] BMOC: i upgraded ivtv and mythtv recently
[02:50:00] TheAsp: just started being lower?
[02:50:00] BMOC: it may be either of those
[02:50:00] TheAsp: oh
[02:50:00] BMOC: more than likely, mythtv upgrade
[02:50:00] BMOC: to .3 i think
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[02:56:00] Xoritor: what are the mythmusic "visualizations" named?
[02:56:00] Xoritor: ie... they are not in a dropdown list... but not all of them are listed
[02:56:00] Xoritor: some are... and i got those working, but i dont want all so Random is not an option
[02:57:00] Xoritor: specifically im looking for the "goom" one
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[02:59:00] djperegrine: Ok back
[02:59:00] djperegrine: I will past teh dmesg
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[03:08:00] BMOC: man, where do you set the recording volume thing again?
[03:08:00] BMOC: i know i've seen that somewhere
[03:08:00] BMOC: where's that setting to use soundcard mixer?
[03:09:00] rabies: com
[03:09:00] BMOC: ?
[03:09:00] rabies: compiling a kernel, yay!!
[03:09:00] rabies: /m/me does a little dance
[03:09:00] rabies: yeah...
[03:09:00] rabies: i hate this widescreen thing
[03:09:00] djperegrine: ok back
[03:09:00] BMOC: where's that setting to use system mixer?
[03:11:00] BMOC: even livetv is lower volume
[03:14:00] hadeees: Xoritor, um the "goom" one is named goom
[03:15:00] BMOC: i guess i can move recording volume for stuff from 90 to 100
[03:15:00] Xoritor: hadeees, i tried that... but it does not work
[03:15:00] Xoritor: could it be GOOM
[03:15:00] TheAsp: Xoritor: do you have it installed?
[03:15:00] Xoritor: or Goom
[03:15:00] Xoritor: yea
[03:15:00] Xoritor: it works for Random
[03:15:00] hadeees: mythgoom
[03:16:00] Xoritor: hmmm
[03:16:00] Xoritor: let me try that
[03:16:00] Xoritor: thx
[03:16:00] BMOC: mythgoom?
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[03:18:00] Xoritor: nope
[03:18:00] Xoritor: case sensitive?
[03:19:00] Xoritor: the rest are like StereoScope
[03:19:00] Xoritor: etc...
[03:21:00] abarbaccia: AAARRRRGHHHH – i hate transcode
[03:21:00] Discipulus: why?
[03:21:00] abarbaccia: well, i love transcode i just hate the fact that i can't install it easily
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[03:21:00] Discipulus: lol
[03:21:00] Xoritor: it was just plain old Goom
[03:22:00] NightBird: ..
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[03:23:00] diamon: Ok, this is starting to make me crazy... I have a blue line along the top and left sides of my TV when feeding the Myth data to my set, is there any way to move the screen? Or is Overscan the only way to go about it?
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[03:27:00] djperegrine: I lol
[03:27:00] djperegrine: Note: when using the WinTV-PVR-150MCe with WindowsXP, you need a third party TV application such as MythTV, SageTV or BeyondTV
[03:27:00] djperegrine: WOW.
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[03:29:00] MonMotha: yeah, I love how they mention MythTV, yet the backend doesn't even run on win32
[03:30:00] Discipulus: lol
[03:32:00] djperegrine: thats what I meant :P
[03:33:00] djperegrine: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . ategory=3761
[03:33:00] djperegrine: Thats the card I have
[03:33:00] djperegrine: I am getting static :(
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[03:44:00] riddlebox: man is anyone running mythtv on mandrake-10.2?
[03:44:00] Discipulus: why would you run anything on mandrake-10.2?
[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: Man, is it just me or does the latest Nvidia driver (7667) just not like something about Myth/QT ? I had to revert to 7174 for the moment
[03:46:00] riddlebox: I cannot get a different module for ivtv to load it is always the default one
[03:46:00] diamon: GreyFoxx: If you read the forums there's been some oddness with their most recent drivers.
[03:46:00] diamon: The nvidia forums I mean.
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: diamon: I've been looking, but so far havenb't come up with anything with my exact symptoms. I should have stayed with 6629
[03:48:00] riddlebox: I follow the directions in the ivtv-0.3.6z/doc for install and when I do modprobe ivtv at the end it always loads the old one?
[03:48:00] MonMotha: I'm on 7667 and it works, though XvMC is unstable, as usual
[03:48:00] ** GreyFoxx thinks he will be reverting later **
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[03:49:00] abarbaccia: riddlebox, remove the ivtv stuff from your /lib/modules directory
[03:49:00] GreyFoxx: I've had several issues since I installed. it. Was seeing the same behavior with 7167
[03:49:00] abarbaccia: riddlebox, then install again
[03:49:00] GreyFoxx: looks like I'll be back to 6629 which I shouldn
[03:49:00] GreyFoxx: 't have bothered changing from
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[03:49:00] abarbaccia: GreyFoxx, if it aiint broke....
[03:50:00] GreyFoxx: exactly
[03:50:00] GreyFoxx: Normally I wouldn't have. But I was on an upgrade round
[03:50:00] abarbaccia: "fix" it till it is
[03:50:00] GreyFoxx: oh well
[03:51:00] MonMotha: I just wish the PVR-150 wasn't such a crummy card. I'm almost tempted to rip it out and just use my bttv
[03:51:00] abarbaccia: MonMotha, what do you mean by "crummy"
[03:51:00] MonMotha: image quality is great, audio is fine, love the hardware encoder...
[03:51:00] MonMotha: just don't like how it randomly drops out (and mythtv doesn't handle it very well either)
[03:51:00] diamon: The hardware encoder rocks... Randomly drops out? Huh?
[03:52:00] MonMotha: abarbaccia: it'll randomly abort recordings partway in, and mythtv gets uber-confused when that happens
[03:52:00] Qwell: MonMotha: y0
[03:52:00] abarbaccia: odd
[03:52:00] MonMotha: you can't even delete the partial until you restart the backend
[03:52:00] diamon: MonMotha: I've never seen such a thing... How long of a recording are you trying for?
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[03:52:00] MonMotha: diamon: 1 hour at most
[03:53:00] MonMotha: it'll abort 5 minutes in sometimes, sometimes it works fine
[03:53:00] MonMotha: I've been told if you turn your PCI latency up to 64 that fixes it (which just says "shit hardware")
[03:53:00] MonMotha: the motherboard I'm using only goes up to 32. It was designed for real hardware
[03:53:00] diamon: Wow. Over 90Gb of recordings here (Recording Cops since it seems to be on several times a day for testing) and I've NEVER had a partial recording that I didn't interrupt myself.
[03:54:00] diamon: MonMotha: Errr, actually latency of 32 is really very odd...
[03:54:00] MonMotha: diamon: I haven't had to manually fsck with PCI latency since like 1997. Never realy paid attention to it
[03:54:00] MonMotha: are most boards higher?
[03:54:00] MonMotha: it's almost a hack, to help out slow bus master boards
[03:55:00] diamon: 64, usually. Hell, the Linux kernel auto-corrects most IDE chips to 64 if they're 32.
[03:55:00] MonMotha: well, I think there's one newer bios for this board (it's been updated multiple times already)
[03:55:00] MonMotha: Tyan boards never do everything they advertise though
[03:55:00] riddlebox: abarbaccia: I have even downlaoded the patch and installed it and recompiled the kernel and it still loads the old one?
[03:56:00] diamon: Yeah, I usually go with Asus boards nowadays.
[03:56:00] MonMotha: diamon: this is an older system, before Asus was quite the name they are today
[03:56:00] MonMotha: original Thunder K7
[03:57:00] diamon: Ah.
[03:57:00] MonMotha: it works well enough, except for this
[03:58:00] abarbaccia: riddlebox, if you recompile a kernel and use that one instead – then ivtv cannot load
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[03:58:00] ddjpere2: http://pastebin.com/313647 (this is djperegrine)
[03:59:00] djperegrine: I am getting static
[03:59:00] djperegrine: when I type mplayer /dev/video0
[03:59:00] djperegrine: I want to know how to fixthis
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[04:01:00] diamon: MonMotha: Not like latency can't be reprogrammed I suppose. I don't know the command format, but I think from what I googled that you can use the 'setpci' command to do the latency timer manually.
[04:01:00] MonMotha: well, the AMD760MPX may not support higher than 32 for whatever reason
[04:02:00] diamon: I'd doubt that they'd lock it up too much. My bet is it's changable, as it's a 'soft' setting.
[04:02:00] MonMotha: hum, looks like linux is already setting it to 64
[04:02:00] abarbaccia: any ubuntu guys in here that have transcode and xvid and the rest installed let me know please
[04:03:00] MonMotha: this system has a lot of stuff in it, but it would be nice if mythtv could at least cleanly abort the recording
[04:03:00] MonMotha: as it is, you can't even delete the partial recording until you restart the backend, and it won't record anythign else until you do so either
[04:03:00] MonMotha: a device open/close seems sufficient to get the driver and hardware back into a reasonabel state
[04:04:00] diamon: MonMotha: I'd seriously consider testing that hardware. I have seen nothing similar to the behavior you mentioned, and my test rig is doing 6–10 recordings of 30–60 minutes per day.
[04:04:00] MonMotha: I know other people have reported similar behavior, supposedly cranking the PCI latency up to ludicrously high numbers (I've heard 128) helped
[04:05:00] MonMotha: and I don't exactly know how to test this beyond what I've done. The PVR-150 is the only thing that has problems
[04:05:00] MonMotha: which says to me crap hardware or crap drivers (or both)
[04:05:00] MonMotha: the rest of the system is rock solid
[04:05:00] diamon: Can't hurt to try I suppose. That really does seem a bit odd though.
[04:05:00] abarbaccia: MonMotha, maybe a defective card?
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[04:05:00] MonMotha: abarbaccia: it's POSSIBLE, but it works perfectly otherwise
[04:06:00] MonMotha: I already exchanged it once; the other one had a defective tuner module
[04:06:00] MonMotha: (which doesn't give me a very good impression about their Q/A)
[04:06:00] abarbaccia: MonMotha, i had a motherboard that worked perfectly except for a small memory error
[04:06:00] abarbaccia: and you have no idea what it did to my system
[04:06:00] MonMotha: abarbaccia: oh, the memory is fine in this system
[04:06:00] GreyFoxx: Man going back to 6629 is a pain, but thankfully after manually patching it, it's working.
[04:06:00] MonMotha: that I know for a fact
[04:06:00] abarbaccia: im not saying the memory im saying the card can be fine except for one small party
[04:06:00] abarbaccia: part
[04:06:00] abarbaccia: not party – no card partys please
[04:06:00] MonMotha: oh, you mean on the PVR-150?
[04:06:00] diamon: MonMotha: Yeah, I yelled at Sony (SoE) for MONTHS about their crap game and how it must be them that caused my system to always crash during certain ops. Then I got brutal and did a pizza-and-beer thing for an Electrical Eng who watched my system to find out what was on the bus when it crashed...
[04:06:00] MonMotha: wouldn't surprise me if that's bad
[04:07:00] abarbaccia: call up hauppauge
[04:07:00] abarbaccia: see if they can send you advance replacement
[04:07:00] MonMotha: abarbaccia: if I hadn't already sent in the rebate on it, I'd just return it at this point
[04:07:00] MonMotha: having already gone through one
[04:07:00] diamon: So, *after* I replaced my GPU fan, everything AND Everquest finally ran. I actually called SoE to apologize, tell them what I found, and how to spot it.
[04:07:00] abarbaccia: MonMotha, go straight to the manufacturer
[04:07:00] MonMotha: diamon: I have a 100MHz mixed scope available, but I'm too lazy :)
[04:08:00] diamon: LoL.
[04:08:00] MonMotha: if I managed to get two crap cards at retail, their Q/A is just so abysmal it's not worth dealing with
[04:08:00] diamon: Yeah, he had me on a scope and a logic board or something, plugged between my AGP and the motherboard. Kinda spiff for sure.
[04:08:00] MonMotha: yeah, quite doable
[04:09:00] MonMotha: this board is only clocked at 33MHz PCI, so I've got the gear to test it available
[04:09:00] MonMotha: though not at home
[04:09:00] MonMotha: I've only got a 2 channel analog scope at home
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[04:09:00] diamon: Anyway, aside from an odd high-pitched audio 'tinkle' my PVR-150 runs like a champ, so I'm happy. I probably just need to mess with the settings more.
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[04:12:00] MonMotha: hum...I wonder if the card is overheating
[04:12:00] abarbaccia: good question
[04:12:00] MonMotha: there's a bunch of SCSI cables between the PCI slots and the fans in the front
[04:12:00] MonMotha: every PCI slot is populated, but the card below it is just a sound card
[04:13:00] abarbaccia: MonMotha, run with the case open for 2 days – see if it makes a difff
[04:13:00] MonMotha: actually, the case is off...that's aprt of the problem
[04:13:00] MonMotha: this system runs warmer with the case off than on
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[04:13:00] diamon: Or aim a fan at it, or move some cables, or just toss a thermal probe on it and see if the numbers make you wince.
[04:13:00] abarbaccia: less airflow
[04:13:00] MonMotha: it has pretty excellent airflow, though not to the PCI cards
[04:13:00] MonMotha: well, the cables can't be moved
[04:14:00] MonMotha: that's about the only place for them, because the hard drives and SCSI connectors are there
[04:14:00] diamon: Round cables then maybe?
[04:14:00] MonMotha: I don't know that I'd trust U160 LVD SCSI to a round cable
[04:14:00] MonMotha: they're usually pretty poorly made
[04:15:00] abarbaccia: do you have a slot between the PCI cards?
[04:15:00] diamon: You can always peel them yourself.  :)
[04:15:00] abarbaccia: because you can get one of those fans that pump air out off a card and out the case
[04:15:00] diamon: True, a slot-fan.
[04:15:00] MonMotha: abarbaccia: every slot is filled, though the card below the PVR-150 (it's at the top, no AGP card) is a half-height sound card
[04:15:00] MonMotha: nice and small
[04:15:00] MonMotha: well, I coul always put a heatsink on the encoder
[04:15:00] abarbaccia: true
[04:15:00] MonMotha: I'm sure that would void my warranty though
[04:16:00] abarbaccia: but wont do much
[04:16:00] MonMotha: as stupid as that is
[04:16:00] abarbaccia: because thats jsut a casing around the chip
[04:16:00] MonMotha: there is airflow down there, just not as much as other areas
[04:16:00] diamon: That might be worth a go, but I'm not sure it'd help a lot.
[04:16:00] MonMotha: casinga round the chip? what do you think is conducting heat away from the actual electrical part?
[04:17:00] abarbaccia: MonMotha, I understand but if they wanted to disapate heat they woulda used a shape with a lil more surface area
[04:17:00] diamon: Too bad you can't stick a GPU heatsink and fan to it.
[04:17:00] MonMotha: isn't the encoder itself just a BGA?
[04:17:00] diamon: abar: IC makers do packages that are flat and consistent. After that, it's up to us.  :)
[04:17:00] MonMotha: the tuner module isn't what matters here, those things are good over a pretty rediculous temp range usually (though they can get unstable as far as tuning goes afer a while)
[04:18:00] MonMotha: you have to get them out of phase lock for that though, which takes a pretty serious temp issue
[04:18:00] diamon: Oh yeah, but you'd have fires in a normal PC before a tuner would go that far off from heat.  :)
[04:18:00] MonMotha: exactly
[04:19:00] diamon: afk a bit.
[04:19:00] dant: cut a hole in the case above the card and slap a fan in?
[04:19:00] MonMotha: that's just going to far
[04:19:00] MonMotha: last time I checked, it wasn't even warm to the touch
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[04:21:00] MonMotha: yeah, it's barely warm to the touch right now and it's actively encoding
[04:21:00] MonMotha: the stinkin caps are warmer than the encoder
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[04:33:00] phi0x: sups
[04:34:00] phi0x: by any chance anyone know how to mount ntfs partitions in fedora core 4?
[04:34:00] phi0x: i want to get it mounted before i setup mythtv
[04:34:00] phi0x: it has all my video's on it and stuff
[04:34:00] phi0x: i tried mount -rw -t ntfs /dev/hdb /mnt/storage/ and it stated ntfs was not a known file system
[04:35:00] phi0x: yet in the man pages it states use one of the following and ntfs is listed.
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[04:35:00] abarbaccia: phi0x, try #fedora
[04:36:00] phi0x: hmm
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[04:49:00] diamon: phi0x: It might be easier to burn off your videos to a DVD-RW like I did. NTFS support in the kernel is an iffy proposition at best still.
[04:49:00] phi0x: damn
[04:50:00] phi0x: cause i want to get this box setup but i dont want to end up switching to windows and have to move all my stuff somehow back to a windows drive
[04:50:00] phi0x: then format the storage drive to ntfs again
[04:50:00] phi0x: and i dont even have any room on any spare drives for moving my stuff off of the storage drive -_-
[04:54:00] diamon: If you only need to read the data off NTFS, that's not quite so hard, but you'll need the ntfs driver module.
[04:54:00] diamon: I've never done it, but I know it's possible.
[04:55:00] phi0x: yeah it used to work in fc3
[04:55:00] phi0x: but fc4 its not mounting
[04:55:00] phi0x: -_-
[04:55:00] diamon: And now, I must go. Work calls and all that. Lurking-time!
[04:55:00] phi0x: whats the kernel setup cmd agian
[04:55:00] phi0x: kernel editor
[04:55:00] diamon: make menuconfig you mean?
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[04:55:00] phi0x: so i can check if ntfs is there
[04:56:00] phi0x: i guess
[04:56:00] phi0x: oh well i guess ill just have to format it later somehow
[04:56:00] phi0x: ill maybe save up buy a new 200gb hard drive since i need one anyways then i can format it with JFS? is that good for storage drive for mythtv?
[05:00:00] epoch: hrmmm
[05:00:00] epoch: anyone seen this in the mythtv log:
[05:00:00] epoch: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
[05:00:00] epoch: Database error was:
[05:00:00] epoch: Can't open file: 'recordedmarkup.MYI'. (errno: 145)
[05:00:00] epoch: ?
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[05:03:00] Atamido: My PVR-500 MCE now works.  :)
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[05:11:00] feoh: folks.
[05:14:00] TheAsp: epoch: corrupted db?
[05:14:00] TheAsp: epoch: myisamchk is your friend
[05:15:00] Russ: I have two capture cards, the first, through btaudio, works great, the second, through snd_via82xxx plays with skipping chipmunk sound
[05:16:00] Russ: no clue why
[05:16:00] Russ: (backend has both cards, attempting to play on frontend)
[05:17:00] epoch: TheAsp: ooh
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[05:29:00] feoh: Woot. Got channel changing working via the serial port, 'channl' is pretty sweet :)
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[06:29:00] feoh: Ugh, my sound sync is off by 2 seconds and the sound stays with the video source even when I Watch a Recording.
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[06:31:00] Chutt: read the section of the docs on how to setup your soundcard.
[06:31:00] feoh: THanks I'm going through that now
[06:31:00] feoh: THought I'd gotten it right the first time around. Oops :)
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[06:38:00] EL_Whistey: feoh from lambdamoooooo?
[06:38:00] EL_Whistey: if so, VLTNS, else no worries
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[06:49:00] feoh: Hi!
[06:49:00] feoh: It is indeed :)
[06:49:00] feoh: THough I barely ever MOO anymore :)
[06:50:00] feoh: What nick did you use there?
[06:50:00] EL_Whistey: SamIAm. :)
[06:50:00] EL_Whistey: I also seldom MOO anymore.
[06:50:00] feoh: OK, thanks Chutt, the sound config docs worked, although alsactl store segfaults on me :) But the sound works anyway.
[06:50:00] feoh: Yeah, life goes on :)
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[06:51:00] ** xris kicks dhcpd **
[06:51:00] EL_Whistey: Fancy seeing you here after all these years!
[06:52:00] feoh: Heh the net is a small place after all :)
[06:52:00] feoh: I think I"m just one of the few who keeps the same nick EVERYWHERE
[06:53:00] EL_Whistey: Yes. And it's a pretty unique one.
[06:54:00] feoh: Reasonably so, there are occasional collisions these days, but they're infrequent even still.
[06:55:00] xris: feoh: really? thought that most people did.
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[06:56:00] xris: I mean, I've been "xris" since I got onto the net over 10 years ago
[06:56:00] EL_Whistey: xris, you haven't met the kind of people I've met on the net :)
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[06:56:00] xris: EL_Whistey: apparently not
[06:57:00] feoh: heh
[06:57:00] feoh: xris: Maybe, most people I know change it once or twice over the years though.
[06:59:00] xris: I'm forced to go by a couple of variations (ibexris is my latest "other") since people seem to think that xris is their name, too....
[06:59:00] feoh: heh
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[07:06:00] ** xris curses fc4 weirdness **
[07:06:00] EL_Whistey: ex libris libexris
[07:08:00] EL_Whistey: anagrams, you see? Hah
[07:08:00] xris: heh
[07:08:00] feoh: What's up with FC4?
[07:09:00] xris: feoh: upgraded (fresh install) my firewall. it's acting weird now.
[07:09:00] xris: dhcpd won't start via init.d, but the same command by hand works fine
[07:09:00] xris: same with samba
[07:09:00] feoh: Joy
[07:09:00] xris: yeah, quite
[07:11:00] xris: aha.. one thing down, selinux was still disabled. man, that kills so many things. brb.
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[07:12:00] feoh: OK folks time for bed :)
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[07:22:00] EL_Whistey: what's the mode change denote?
[07:22:00] xris: means I'm cook
[07:22:00] xris: cool
[07:22:00] xris: well, both of them
[07:22:00] xris: but mainly the latter
[07:22:00] EL_Whistey: Wow.
[07:23:00] xris: in this channel, it basically just means I'm someone to listen to. heh.
[07:23:00] ** EL_Whistey mode #everywhere +v EL_Whistey **
[07:23:00] EL_Whistey: Now I'm cool too!
[07:23:00] xris: plus, it makes my name sort at the top of the list.  :)
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[07:24:00] xris: ok. now to figure out why nfs is being blocked
[07:25:00] Gumby: anyone use an epia board here with a c3 cpu?
[07:25:00] xris: yay, that works.... (had to force it to tcp-only)
[07:25:00] EL_Whistey: over the internet?
[07:25:00] xris: Gumby: only one I know of is jarod, and he won't be back for a few days.
[07:25:00] xris: EL_Whistey: nfs? no, local network
[07:25:00] EL_Whistey: yeah, the broad internet responds to congestion by dropping packets.
[07:25:00] EL_Whistey: Oh. that's unusual.
[07:26:00] xris: EL_Whistey: firewall
[07:26:00] EL_Whistey: Ahhh. You firewall within your network. Keen.
[07:26:00] xris: well, the firewall is the nfs server.
[07:26:00] Gumby: xris: ah, ok. Its not really mythtv related. I am just building a car pc and was wondering about peoples experiences and if a 800mhz C3 CPU would suffice for mp3 and the occasional video playback
[07:26:00] xris: just need mountd to run on a specific port. I think the rest still runs on whatever it needs
[07:26:00] xris: should be fine.
[07:26:00] EL_Whistey: you can distinguish between outward-facing interfaces and inward facing ones.
[07:27:00] xris: esp. if you get one of the newer ones with unichrome or whatever it's called... hardware accelerated mpeg4, etc.
[07:27:00] EL_Whistey: for the purposes of a firewall. I also have samba nfs etc running on my firewall machine
[07:27:00] ** Gumby faces his "interface" outwards **
[07:27:00] xris: EL_Whistey: don't want outward to see ANY nfs.
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[07:28:00] EL_Whistey: xris, yeah, and nor do I, and nor does it.
[07:28:00] EL_Whistey: mind you, I roll my own interface using tcl and iptables, so ... perhaps it's easier to do here.
[07:29:00] EL_Whistey: s/interface/firewall/
[07:29:00] ** xris likes shorewall **
[07:29:00] EL_Whistey: I've never found one which does what I want.
[07:29:00] xris: shorewall is pretty cool.. and has manual overrides for custom stuff.
[07:30:00] EL_Whistey: actually, it's moot now – my firewall is on the linksys wrt54g wireless router thing.
[07:30:00] xris: even (finally) has multiple provider support in the latest version.
[07:30:00] xris: heh
[07:30:00] xris: would do that except that I have two IP's
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[07:30:00] xris: and haven't found one of those little ones that can handle it.
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[07:31:00] EL_Whistey: I'm not sure whether the linksys thing does, but the firmware is all linux open source.
[07:32:00] EL_Whistey: Another linux box to administer. Yay
[07:32:00] xris: pondered astaro (.org) but I use my firewall box for other things (mainly lack of physical space in other boxes for more drives) and didn't want to mess with something new
[07:32:00] xris: EL_Whistey: you use openwrt, or the built-in stuff?
[07:32:00] EL_Whistey: I use SVEASOFT's one.
[07:32:00] EL_Whistey: I bought the premium access thing.
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[07:34:00] EL_Whistey: I
[07:34:00] EL_Whistey: am reasonably happy with it, except it doesn't (a) update multiple dydns.org accounts, (b) handle my bloody cable ISP very well.
[07:34:00] EL_Whistey: And upgrading it is a stone *bitch*
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[07:35:00] xris: ah
[07:35:00] xris: well, old hardware comes cheap for me, so I have plenty of p3's to use as firewalls.
[07:35:00] EL_Whistey: in the back of my mind it's always 'don't brick it, don't brick it, don't brick it'
[07:35:00] xris: would like one of those small ones to drop my power consumption, though.
[07:35:00] EL_Whistey: Yeah, me too. But the electricity bill's getting a bit savage.
[07:35:00] EL_Whistey: precisely :)
[07:36:00] xris: p3'
[07:36:00] MonMotha: astaro sucks, at least if all you want is a firewall/router and you know how to use everything directly
[07:36:00] MonMotha: it hides things such that you can't do some of the really neat things anymore (like firewall bridges on vlans)
[07:36:00] xris: p3's aren't bad, though. measured my three servers (with a total of 8 drives between them), dsl + voip hardware and UPS at 1.7 amps
[07:37:00] xris: MonMotha: well, thus I'm using shorewall still.
[07:37:00] MonMotha: xris: will shorewall even let you do all that?
[07:40:00] xris: MonMotha: shorewall is just shellscript wrappers for iptables, etc.
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[07:40:00] xris: no gui or anything nice like astaro, but you can do pretty much anything you want other than that.
[07:41:00] MonMotha: xris: well, the problem with astaro is that the gui limits what yolu can do
[07:41:00] xris: even deal cleanly with multiple internet providers (just hooked that up at work today — dsl for static ip and upload speed, and cable for download speed)
[07:41:00] MonMotha: you acn do some really CRAZY stuff with iptables/ebtables/tc/ip and bridges and vlans
[07:41:00] xris: yeah, I know.
[07:41:00] MonMotha: completely transparent firewalls (looks like a bridge) using one ethernet cable and tagged vlans is pretty cool
[07:43:00] [Xander]: i want to check my fan speeds/computer temps. i see when i try to install i2c that it has lots of warnings about people having kernel i2c modules for bttv etc... getting broken if you install i2c to use lm_sensors and ksensors. Anyone know if this is true?
[07:44:00] xris: MonMotha: too much work for me. heh.
[07:44:00] xris: [Xander]: I could never get i2c to properly report speeds/temps on ANY of my machines, so I can't say.
[07:45:00] [Xander]: my amd64 keeps overheating so i'm worried about fans. (it literally shuts itself off) and I don't want it to do that while recording !!!!
[07:45:00] EL_Whistey: you don't want it happening at all.
[07:45:00] EL_Whistey: because it won't happen for very long :)
[07:46:00] [Xander]: the problem i'm having is my power supply is REALLY hot. the AMD is pretty cool with the fans i have in the box...
[07:46:00] xris: [Xander]: time to reexamine your case situation
[07:46:00] xris: [Xander]: you do know that just putting fans into a box doesn't necessarily help remove heat.
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[07:47:00] EL_Whistey: I have an antec sonata.
[07:48:00] [Xander]: i've got pretty good airflow through the case... just a really hot power supply. i may be pushing it too hard.
[07:48:00] EL_Whistey: Man, I have to go to the shops, but I took my electric toothbrush's AA battery out to replace my wireless trackball's flat battery, which is why I need to go to the shops, and my breath stinks.
[07:48:00] EL_Whistey: I must be a geek.
[07:49:00] EL_Whistey: perhaps I need a USB powered toothbrush.
[07:50:00] [Xander]: EL_Whistey: naahh WET-T1 powered toothbrush <grin>
[07:50:00] xris: [Xander]: obviously don't have good airflow if heat from the PS is making it to the cpu
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[07:51:00] [Xander]: xris: sorry, i misspoke...the power supply is shutting off...
[07:51:00] Qwell: So, yeah...I need to get a card that doesn't suck
[07:51:00] [Xander]: xris: the PS has a thermal cutoff when it gets too hot.
[07:51:00] EL_Whistey: so you need a new PS.
[07:51:00] xris: [Xander]: ahh.. then yes.
[07:52:00] xris: so get a new PS that can handle the load.
[07:52:00] [Xander]: EL_Whistey: it IS a new PS. (the first one's fan croaked.) I supersized it to the largest wattage in Fry's that would fit in the case.
[07:52:00] Qwell: Has anybody successfully gotten an ATI all-in-wonder to work with myth?
[07:52:00] Qwell: google nets little help
[07:52:00] EL_Whistey: Xander, don't try using it to power your toothbrush then!
[07:52:00] [Xander]: hehe
[07:53:00] EL_Whistey: Is this a uATA system?
[07:53:00] Qwell: I notice that when I have the km driver loaded, myth sees /dev/v4l/video0
[07:53:00] EL_Whistey: that 'which will fit the case' was a bit of a giveaway
[07:53:00] [Xander]: my toothbrush is nuclear... my teeth are brilliant, but so is my scalp...
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[07:54:00] [Xander]: EL_Whistey: it's one of those mini-power supplies about the size of a pint glass
[07:54:00] EL_Whistey: Cool. All the calcium in your teeth is now Strontium 90!!
[07:55:00] ** EL_Whistey has to do RL stuff. AFK. **
[07:56:00] [Xander]: anyone know if I can put a pvr150 in the same backend as a pvr350 and have both acutally work? I'm getting kinda pissed i wasted my money on 2 pvr150's when i can't get them to play nice... (also the screen is not the correct dimensions on the 150's)
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[07:59:00] fearthepenguin: anyone still awake enough to help a troubled user with a program guide issue?
[08:01:00] xris: dunno what I can do, but I'm awake
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[08:02:00] fearthepenguin: been fighting a timezone issue with the guide for the past couple of hours
[08:02:00] xris: hmm
[08:02:00] fearthepenguin: it seems to think that everything should be UTC, much to the systems disagreement
[08:02:00] fearthepenguin: tried relinking /etc/localtime, editing the TimeOffset parameter in the settings table
[08:03:00] fearthepenguin: reloading all the channles, setting a manual offset in the config
[08:03:00] Qwell: Cardoe: You know of any good ebuild creation howtos? I'd like to make one for km and avview
[08:04:00] fearthepenguin: googled my brains out, but can't seem to find a fix
[08:05:00] cortezdapimp: hell
[08:05:00] cortezdapimp: o
[08:05:00] cortezdapimp: i dunno why i said hell without the o..
[08:05:00] cortezdapimp: anyway, i get this error: mythtv kernel: journal commit I/O error
[08:05:00] cortezdapimp: and then my fw drive seems to unmount itself and when i try to mount it i get a message that it's not a valid block device
[08:06:00] fearthepenguin: sounds like your drive is dying
[08:06:00] cortezdapimp: its less than a month old :\
[08:07:00] cortezdapimp: if i powercycle it works for about a day
[08:07:00] fearthepenguin: should have some warranty left on it then :)
[08:07:00] Cardoe: Qwell: the skel.ebuild is pretty good.
[08:07:00] cortezdapimp: could it be the cheap enclosure i put it in?
[08:07:00] fearthepenguin: its in a usb case?
[08:07:00] cortezdapimp: fw
[08:07:00] Cardoe: Qwell: the docs on gentoo.org
[08:07:00] cortezdapimp: compusa brand
[08:07:00] Cardoe: Qwell: sorry. I've been doing them since like 2000 so not really sure
[08:07:00] Cardoe: Qwell: what are the steps to manually install it?
[08:07:00] fearthepenguin: ahh, ok. I have had that happen in an external case before. seems like it gets put into some type of sleep and then the machine loses its mind trying to get back to it
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[08:08:00] fearthepenguin: is the case one of those usb and fw?
[08:08:00] cortezdapimp: yes
[08:08:00] cortezdapimp: hmm gets put into some type of sleep – built into the drive, enclosure, or part of linux?
[08:08:00] fearthepenguin: their is a cheap chipset out there that has some bugs similar to what you are describing that provides usb and fw
[08:08:00] cortezdapimp: or powersave settings
[08:08:00] fearthepenguin: enclosure
[08:09:00] fearthepenguin: I have a silver case I bought from compusa that does the same thing
[08:09:00] cortezdapimp: shit
[08:09:00] fearthepenguin: had some crazy lights all in it that I had to tear out
[08:09:00] cortezdapimp: and then it worked?
[08:09:00] fearthepenguin: not that it fixed anything, just got tired of the crazy lights
[08:09:00] cortezdapimp: or then you had a drive with torn light
[08:09:00] cortezdapimp: heh
[08:09:00] fearthepenguin: option w
[08:09:00] fearthepenguin: 2
[08:09:00] cortezdapimp: its kind of off in a corner so i don't notice htem
[08:10:00] fearthepenguin: is it one of those "metal gear" or something like that enclosures?
[08:10:00] fearthepenguin: mesh or whatever down the sides
[08:10:00] cortezdapimp: no
[08:11:00] cortezdapimp: its like oval shaped and has blue trim and a silver base
[08:11:00] fearthepenguin: cool
[08:11:00] cortezdapimp: it looks not stupid, actually. which is why i got it over all the stupid-looking ones
[08:11:00] fearthepenguin: it sure sounds like the same problem. you may be able to get around it by making sure that something is writting or reading from the drive all the time
[08:11:00] cortezdapimp: the price was just icing
[08:11:00] cortezdapimp: ouch that doesn't sound good
[08:11:00] fearthepenguin: but that has its own downside
[08:11:00] cortezdapimp: even though i have a seagate drive with a 5yr warranty
[08:12:00] Hound: what!? who gives a 5yr warrant on hd's!
[08:12:00] Hound: heh seagate? that drive must be almost 5 years old
[08:12:00] fearthepenguin: I gotta blast. need to get this program guide thing figured out before battlestar galactica comes back on
[08:12:00] cortezdapimp: no i just got it
[08:12:00] cortezdapimp: it was something ridiculously high
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[08:12:00] Hound: Damn last time I worked in a computer shop the HD manfact
[08:12:00] Hound: oops
[08:13:00] Hound: were dropping from like 1–2 years to 6 months
[08:13:00] Hound: lol.
[08:13:00] Hound: maybe we were buying from more shady distributors though.
[08:13:00] cortezdapimp: %_safari
[08:13:00] cortezdapimp: oops i forgot i'm not in adium
[08:13:00] cortezdapimp: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . p;pfp=BROWSE
[08:14:00] cortezdapimp: this isn't the drive i have, but it does show the warranty being 5 yrs
[08:15:00] cortezdapimp: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . amp;pfp=cat3
[08:15:00] cortezdapimp: this is the enclosure i got
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[08:20:00] Bachus9000: I've got a small problem--I have a particular recording where the nuv file inadvertantly got deleted. What's the easiest way to remove its entry from the database?
[08:21:00] cortezdapimp: manually with webmin
[08:21:00] cortezdapimp: but i dont remember how to do it
[08:21:00] cortezdapimp: some table or other
[08:26:00] Bachus9000: Nevermind. I ran the frontend from the console. When I selected the recording in question an error appeared on the console giving the file name it was looking for. I just created an empty file with that name and was able to then delete the entry in the database. :)
[08:27:00] Bachus9000: Thanks, though.
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[08:28:00] therealgalen: hey anybody use a raid with mythtv? i'm working on plans for a combo mythtv/raid file server (light duty) and was just hoping to chat... i'm pretty competent all around, just haven't done a lot with raid on x86 recently....
[08:31:00] therealgalen: I'm also trying to compare performance for HDTV playback on various CPUs and curious if anybody has done that.... (c'mon there are 124 people in here, at least half of you have used mythtv)
[08:32:00] Hound: not with HDTV!
[08:32:00] Hound: I'm too cool for that. really all my mythbox does is play my mp3's
[08:32:00] Hound: You need an HDTV playback card I would assume that would handle most of the decoding in hardware
[08:32:00] therealgalen: nope, i know about that
[08:32:00] Hound: then the CPU becomes irrelevent
[08:32:00] therealgalen: well
[08:33:00] therealgalen: there are issues with hardware decoding
[08:33:00] Hound: unless your going to use gnuradio!
[08:33:00] Hound: that would rule
[08:33:00] Hound: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/hdtv-samples.html
[08:33:00] Hound: seriously look at those screen shots :-P
[08:34:00] therealgalen: you can have that too
[08:34:00] therealgalen: that's moving the actual rf tuning to software
[08:34:00] therealgalen: but with hdtv, the rf tuning is done by the card, the hard part becomes decoding the 20 Mbit MPEG2 stream
[08:35:00] therealgalen: I wish there was a page of mythtv/hdtv on linux benchmarks
[08:37:00] Hound: How does HDTV compare to DVD?
[08:37:00] Hound: Would you expect HDTV to take more processing power?
[08:37:00] therealgalen: ummmm... 1280 x 720 @ 60 fps = "720 p"
[08:37:00] therealgalen: (no interlacing)
[08:38:00] therealgalen: DVD = 720 x 480, 30 fps, often interlaced
[08:38:00] therealgalen: so HDTV eats many times the CPU/GPU
[08:38:00] therealgalen: "1080i" HDTV is 60 fps interlaced, but 1920 x 1080 resolution(!)
[08:39:00] MonMotha: for a data point, my 2400+ AthlonXP w/ GeForce FX 5600 Ultra can do 720p in software using libmpeg2, but 1080i requires XvMC
[08:39:00] MonMotha: even then it's pushing ike 60% CPU usage
[08:39:00] MonMotha: without XvMC it skips
[08:40:00] therealgalen: I remember you telling me about that monmotha
[08:41:00] therealgalen: I'm doing great this summer with my business and I'm soooo close to a mythtv box
[08:41:00] MonMotha: well, HD is fun, but rather unstable right now
[08:41:00] MonMotha: if MythTV loses signal, it will basically just lock up
[08:41:00] therealgalen: unstable in xvmc, but not in software i would assume
[08:41:00] MonMotha: and XvMC still seems to have problem with OSD and seeking
[08:42:00] therealgalen: hmmm i thought that was only with xvmc
[08:42:00] therealgalen: *guess I'll just have to set the antenna where it won't get disturbed*
[08:43:00] MonMotha: taht would be a good idea
[08:43:00] MonMotha: setting things up is kinda a pain too, at least for USA
[08:43:00] therealgalen: I'm in the US
[08:43:00] MonMotha: you can do a scan, but there's no method to associate the scanned channels with Zap2It guide data from within the gui
[08:43:00] MonMotha: apparently someone wrote a script to try to do it for you by matching callsigns, or you can do it manually
[08:45:00] MonMotha: also realize that most digital content in the US is not HD (though it is, often very poorly, upconverted)
[08:45:00] therealgalen: yeah, i know
[08:45:00] therealgalen: i've been getting hdtv here and there and spoiled by it
[08:45:00] therealgalen: since then, i can't bear to watch regular tv
[08:45:00] therealgalen: i don't even have a tv
[08:46:00] therealgalen: there were nice shows on, but the commercials were a pain, tivo w/out hdtv seemed stupid, etvc
[08:46:00] MonMotha: there's a big difference if you're reasonably close and actually have an HD set
[08:46:00] therealgalen: now I'm ready to come back
[08:46:00] therealgalen: I've watched plenty of hdtv on my various screens, I have a nice CRT capable of 1920 x 1080 native
[08:46:00] therealgalen: Looks awesome
[08:47:00] therealgalen: The problem is that all my machines are powerpc/osx and there's no xvmc or similar interface to accelerate playback
[08:47:00] MonMotha: I don't think the interface is limited to x86 by design
[08:47:00] therealgalen: and i refuse to buy a g5, too expensive, especially just for hdtv
[08:48:00] therealgalen: hmmmm but i don't want to try and debug it for ppc and os x......
[08:48:00] therealgalen: *screams*
[08:48:00] therealgalen: it'll give me nighmares for years
[08:49:00] MonMotha: well, for one, does nvidia release PPC drivers for their cards?
[08:49:00] therealgalen: So I'm trying to size a CPU accordingly to handle HDTV decoding in software
[08:49:00] therealgalen: I don't think so
[08:49:00] MonMotha: you could run linux on it, of course
[08:50:00] MonMotha: well, there's your first problem
[08:50:00] therealgalen: yeah
[08:50:00] MonMotha: the xorg/xfree86 driver doesn't do it
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[08:50:00] therealgalen: but i've heard people have worked something out to get some sort of xvmc-type thing under darwin
[08:50:00] therealgalen: nonetheless, os x is nearly perfect except for their stupid stupid stupid graphics issues
[08:51:00] therealgalen: they HAVE an api for hardware acceleration of idct and motion compensation, but it's completely closed, only the dvd player uses it
[08:51:00] therealgalen: someone reverse engineered it under 10.3, then they reworked it under 10.4
[08:51:00] MonMotha: that's rather silly...
[08:51:00] therealgalen: we all though the "new" coreimage/corevideo/coregraphics would add it, but noooooooooo
[08:52:00] MonMotha: what's the point of an OS where major APIs are closed like that...oh wait...windows too...hum
[08:52:00] therealgalen: it's very very very very very very silly
[08:53:00] therealgalen: so i'm just trying to size a cpu to play hdtv
[08:53:00] MonMotha: in software? something very, very beefy
[08:53:00] therealgalen: i'm leaning toward an amd 64 3400
[08:53:00] MonMotha: though actually P4s are (in theory) fairly good at this
[08:53:00] MonMotha: one of the few things they are good at
[08:54:00] therealgalen: especially if you use the intel compiler :) or use the intel compiler with you amd and fake it out that you have an intel :)
[08:55:00] therealgalen: it's just that i could buy an amd 64 3400 for less than a 3 ghz p4
[08:55:00] MonMotha: yeah
[08:55:00] MonMotha: I'm a big AMD fan, actually, just commenting that video work is something that P4s tend to be better at than most other things
[08:55:00] therealgalen: though i have to say, a xenon is slightly tempting, the 2.8 ghz chips are pretty cheap
[08:56:00] MonMotha: Xeon? bleh
[08:56:00] therealgalen: well the idea is that i could have two of them
[08:56:00] therealgalen: dual cpus have benefits
[08:56:00] MonMotha: just get a dual core athlon
[08:56:00] MonMotha: oh I know, my backend is a dual 1.4 AthlonMP
[08:56:00] therealgalen: have you looked at the prices???
[08:56:00] MonMotha: yeah, they're a bit expensive :)
[08:56:00] MonMotha: quality hardware costs money
[08:56:00] therealgalen: i have to buy by price, sorry :(
[08:57:00] Qwell: surely a dual-core opteron is cheaper then two xeons?
[08:57:00] therealgalen: let me check
[08:57:00] therealgalen: *loads pricewatch.com*
[08:57:00] Qwell: wasn't that half of the point of dual-core?
[08:58:00] therealgalen: cheapest opteron is ~$850 unless i'm missing something
[08:58:00] therealgalen: and i can buy 2.8 ghz xenons for ~$190
[08:58:00] Qwell: regular, or dual core?
[08:59:00] therealgalen: opteron 265 dual core 1.8 ghz, lowest price = 856
[08:59:00] xris: wtf is a xenon?
[08:59:00] Qwell: hmm, yeah...
[08:59:00] Qwell: guess that is a bit much
[08:59:00] therealgalen: xenon = p4 that can run in dual cpu config
[08:59:00] Qwell: xeon
[08:59:00] xris: therealgalen: xeon
[08:59:00] xris: and they're not p4's.. different arch
[08:59:00] xris: internal, anyway.
[09:00:00] therealgalen: but the functionality is similar to a p4... or so i thought
[09:00:00] therealgalen: i dunno x86 well enough
[09:00:00] xris: much more mature HT support, can run up to quad cpu (if you have the $$ for the ones that do — up to $3k apiece)
[09:00:00] therealgalen: amd 64 3400 = 2.4 ghz = $161, cheapest dual core opteron = 1.8 ghz = $856
[09:00:00] xris: therealgalen: xeons are good procs. but apples-oranges with the opteron
[09:01:00] therealgalen: yeah
[09:01:00] xris: unless you're special and can get a dual core 64 bit xeon, which will cost about the same as that opteron
[09:01:00] xris: (we have a few at work — pretty sure they're not available to the public yet)
[09:01:00] therealgalen: it seems for now, dual core opterons are not a reasonable option
[09:01:00] Qwell: therealgalen: give it 6–12 months
[09:02:00] Qwell: that price will be 1/3 at least
[09:02:00] MonMotha: xris: are they basing xeons on P-Ms now? I know they were P4 derrived for a while
[09:02:00] therealgalen: except i'm buying my computer in .6–1.2 months
[09:02:00] xris: therealgalen: good luck finding an opteron system board that'll work as a desktop, too.
[09:02:00] Qwell: hell, 1/4
[09:02:00] therealgalen: :)
[09:02:00] xris: MonMotha: pretty separate, afaik
[09:02:00] xris: have been for awhie.
[09:03:00] xris: p4's get their tech (like HT) from the xeon, not the other way around.
[09:03:00] MonMotha: xris: I have trouble believing intel developed a completely different arch just for their xeon line. It's probably P3 derrived
[09:03:00] xris: MonMotha: they're called "p4 xeons" if that's what you mean.
[09:03:00] MonMotha: well ok, you can always take the relationship the other way
[09:03:00] therealgalen: even at 1/4 the price, 856 = 214 for a slower clock speed
[09:03:00] xris: but the internals are fairly different.. a couple of gens apart, etc.
[09:03:00] MonMotha: say that a P4 is a stripped down xeon, but in terms of structure (pipeline, cache structure, etc.) they almost have to be similar
[09:03:00] xris: therealgalen: what do you need that much power for, anyway?
[09:03:00] MonMotha: it isn't like intel to maintain that many separate archs
[09:04:00] MonMotha: they already have two (Pentium-M, which is P3 based, and P4)
[09:04:00] xris: MonMotha: as far as I've heard, they're fairly different. xeon has more pins, supports multiproc, etc.. dunno how dual core and 64 bit plays into it, though.
[09:04:00] therealgalen: xris: i'm trying to find the best solution for a box capable of playing hdtv, preferably with enough capacity to handle it without xvmc if at all possible
[09:05:00] xris: therealgalen: 3.0G p4 should be plenty.
[09:05:00] MonMotha: xris: none of what you've said is what I'm talking about. That's all packaging (pin count, bus arbitration, etc)
[09:05:00] xris: I mean, my 2.4G p4 can play it at 800x600
[09:05:00] MonMotha: are they pipelined the same way as a P4 (really deep multi-issue pipeline) or as a P3 (shallow, not so multi-issue)? What's the cache structure (associativity, etc.)?
[09:05:00] xris: MonMotha: well, I don't know much about the internals... only what I hear from the tech guys at work.
[09:05:00] MonMotha: ah, ok
[09:05:00] MonMotha: I guess I could go grab the datasheets
[09:05:00] therealgalen: i currently have a 1.33 ghz g4 powerbook as my fastest system and os x has no idct/motion compensation acceleration of any type *stupid stupid stupid* and it just can't quite play it
[09:05:00] MonMotha: Intel is fairly forthcoming with documenattion
[09:06:00] xris: I just know they're cool and we get free ones to play with.
[09:06:00] therealgalen: I want a system that's gonna fly with it, but i want it for not too much $
[09:06:00] xris: like the 3.4G p4-M in my desktop at work.
[09:06:00] MonMotha: are they basing the M line off P4s now?
[09:06:00] MonMotha: that almost seems stupid. The whole point of the P4 was to clock it high (which burns power)
[09:06:00] xris: MonMotha: "basing"???
[09:06:00] therealgalen: xris: i get the idea a p4 3 ghz would work, but how would that compare to an amd64 3400 for hdtv playback? i can get the amd 64 3400 for less than the 3 ghz p4....
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[09:06:00] xris: the p4-m is replacing the p4 in all aspects, or so I've heard.
[09:07:00] MonMotha: most of Intels chips are just variations on one or two themes (at least in the x86 lines)
[09:07:00] xris: therealgalen: no clue.
[09:07:00] therealgalen: xris: i'll take one of those 3.4 ghz p4-ms if you have any extras :P
[09:07:00] MonMotha: For example, the P2 was a PPro with MMX and less cache, the P3 is a P2 with SSE and more cache, the Pentium M was a P3 designed to run low power. The P4 was actually a relatievly new design
[09:07:00] xris: therealgalen: I can't even get them to give/sell *me* one (we have a handful of spares).. they're "intel confidential" which means they can't leave the premesis at work.
[09:08:00] xris: MonMotha: afaik, the p4-m is a p4 with smarter power management.
[09:08:00] therealgalen: lol that's fine :)
[09:08:00] xris: drops down to about 7 watts when idle.
[09:08:00] xris: MonMotha: talk to Beirdo when he wakes up. he has an a64 system
[09:08:00] therealgalen: xris: any idea when beirdo wakes up?
[09:09:00] xris: central time zone
[09:09:00] xris: so... about 8 hours
[09:09:00] therealgalen: hmmm pst here, so i'm not saying up :)
[09:09:00] MonMotha: xris: that makes sense, though I find it strange that they'd move from their (very successful!) Pentium M line (based on the P3) to a P4 design
[09:09:00] xris: MonMotha: p4-m has been in use for quite awhile..
[09:09:00] MonMotha: the P4's strength line in the fact that it can be clocked incredibly high, but anything that causes the pipeline to not be full becomes quite an expense
[09:09:00] therealgalen: xris: i'm not objecting to intel... it's just that i'm trying to find the best value
[09:09:00] MonMotha: xris: they had P4Ms (I have one), but everyone (including myself) hated them
[09:09:00] xris: but from what I've heard, the new p4's will be some combination of 64 bit, dual core and p4-m...
[09:10:00] MonMotha: they run hot, they burn power like crazy, and they're slow
[09:10:00] xris: MonMotha: odd. they're the fastest lowest-power chips we can get.
[09:10:00] xris: well, from intel in that line.
[09:10:00] MonMotha: the "centrino" lineup used P3 based stuff, which they dubbed the Pentium M
[09:10:00] MonMotha: fastest by clock speed, or fastest by work performed per unit time?
[09:10:00] therealgalen: so question number one is which cpu, and i'm still favoring the amd64 3400 for ~$160, but question #2 is raid...
[09:10:00] MonMotha: (in an average workflow)
[09:10:00] xris: work, afaik.
[09:10:00] MonMotha: interesting...
[09:10:00] Qwell: MonMotha: So, Centrino == Pentium M now?
[09:10:00] xris: faster than p4 non-m
[09:11:00] MonMotha: Qwell: Centrino is the brand name for Pentium M, Intel Wifi, and some other stuff
[09:11:00] xris: Qwell: "centrino" is a platform that combines the chip, chipset and wireless availability
[09:11:00] Qwell: ahh
[09:11:00] therealgalen: centrino = 100% branding
[09:11:00] MonMotha: xris: hum, is M supposed to still be the "mobile" lineup?
[09:11:00] xris: MonMotha: supposedly
[09:11:00] Qwell: ok, bed
[09:11:00] xris: but I think they've considered renaming it to mean something else.
[09:11:00] MonMotha: the P4 is a remarkably bad design for such situations. High clock == lots of power burn, but if they managed to fix that
[09:11:00] xris: like I said, I don't keep up with it much.
[09:12:00] mchou: heh, who can keep up with it all?
[09:12:00] xris: hard enough time keeping my bit of the company running (which keeps the rest of the company running).
[09:12:00] xris: I let the tech guys play with the cool new stuff.
[09:12:00] MonMotha: that's why Intel's good mobile chips (once they got over putting P4s in everything) were P3 based. They were clocked lower (but did more work per clock on most business workloads), so they burned less power to get the same amount of work done
[09:12:00] therealgalen: xris: what do you do?
[09:13:00] ** xris is "sr developer" for siliconmechanics.com. **
[09:13:00] xris: which basically means I write php code and boss kormoc around all day.
[09:13:00] therealgalen: cool
[09:13:00] MonMotha: I really don't care what Intel does with their mobile stuff as long as things don't get slower and suck more power than before
[09:13:00] therealgalen: i do all day spurts of php code, it's like crack or something, it's easy to do 7–9 hours nonstop, but then your brain melts....
[09:13:00] xris: I design/write/maintain the software that keeps the company running.
[09:13:00] MonMotha: Intel pretty much rules the mobile market, but their stuff is ok
[09:14:00] therealgalen: like an overclocked p4 :)
[09:14:00] MonMotha: all I know is that my P4 laptop can't even run Diablo II acceptably, but my 300MHz P2 w/ a Voodoo 3 runs fine
[09:14:00] MonMotha: P4 overheats, downclocks, chokes
[09:14:00] therealgalen: it's called BAD GPU
[09:14:00] therealgalen: :)
[09:14:00] MonMotha: It's a Radeon 9000....
[09:14:00] xris: MonMotha: that'd be the video card
[09:15:00] mchou: wonder how much power turion sucks compared to equivalent Pentium M......
[09:15:00] therealgalen: hmmmmm
[09:15:00] MonMotha: for Diablo II, that's one hell of a unit
[09:15:00] MonMotha: it runs fine at first, but as it heats up, it slows WAAAAAY down
[09:15:00] xris: ahh
[09:15:00] MonMotha: youc an play for 5–30 minutes, depending on what's going on, but then you'd better quit because if you don't you'll get killed by the 1FPS
[09:15:00] therealgalen: my laptop is a 1.3 ghz g4 w/radeon 9700, overclocked like 50% on the gpu and 30% of the vram.... it has nice performance except apple is stupid
[09:15:00] therealgalen: and so is ati
[09:16:00] MonMotha: it's just piss poor design by the laptop maker (Compaq)
[09:16:00] MonMotha: they took their old model and just threw a faster proc and video card in it, obviously not paying much attention to thermal issues
[09:16:00] MonMotha: the old model actually ends up running FASTER in many acses (despite being clocked 800MHz slower) because it's not having to downclock itself due to heat
[09:16:00] therealgalen: is intel shipping dual core cpus yet?
[09:16:00] MonMotha: batter life is better too
[09:17:00] therealgalen: monmotha: i would intentionally underclock your cpu if i were you. i can control my cpu via my kernel...
[09:18:00] mchou: Best laptop I ever used was a toshiba portege.
[09:18:00] mchou: those things are nice.
[09:19:00] mchou: long battery life, great docking station, ultralight and slim.
[09:19:00] LiNERROR: had a compaq armada back in the day... 4k laptop... incredible machine... :P
[09:19:00] xris: therealgalen: $$$$ p4 extreme edition
[09:19:00] therealgalen: My PB G4 is great, except for the lack of an API for idct/motion compensation
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[09:20:00] therealgalen: xris: and there are no other dual cores... except maybe a64
[09:21:00] mchou: a64 is they way to go :)
[09:21:00] therealgalen: mchou: i just want an idea of how well 1080i will play on an a64 3400 w/out xvmc
[09:22:00] mchou: pretty well according to isaac.
[09:22:00] therealgalen: I'm eyeing the socket 754 (yeah yeah old socket) amd 64 3400 for $161
[09:22:00] xris: therealgalen: at the moment, I think a64 is your best bet
[09:22:00] mchou: he has 4400+ (x2)
[09:22:00] MonMotha: therealgalen: this machine has to run windows at least some of the time. I'm guessing there's a util for that somewhere as well, thouh
[09:22:00] xris: running windows?
[09:23:00] therealgalen: monmotha: i've seen various sw clocking apps
[09:23:00] MonMotha: therealgalen: yeah, they probably exist
[09:23:00] MonMotha: it's only a problem during constant load situations, and because windows refuses to turn the fan up all the way
[09:23:00] xris: you need to install windows first or it's a pain to rewrite the boot sector to get back access to your linux partitions (windows is also known to reformat the drirve and overwrite other OS's)
[09:23:00] mchou: therealgalen: that sounds like a good deal.....
[09:23:00] mchou: I dont think 754 is bad at all.
[09:24:00] MonMotha: windows is known to be a pain in the ass wherever possible :)
[09:24:00] mchou: In fact I almost regret buying 939.....
[09:24:00] therealgalen: my machine is not going to touch windows
[09:24:00] mchou: it's just a money sucker. :)
[09:24:00] EL_Whistey: yay, hardcore!
[09:24:00] ** xris avoids windows, too. **
[09:24:00] xris: my wife's machine has windows so she can play Sims
[09:24:00] EL_Whistey: you're kinda screwed if you want to upgrade your BIOS
[09:25:00] therealgalen: mchou: the 4400 is a dual-core 2.2 ghz, the 3400 is a single core 2.4 ghz, so for single-core apps, like hdtv, i should have similar performance to issac... whoever he is
[09:25:00] MonMotha: well, tell me when Cadence or something that can viably replace it runs on linux
[09:25:00] therealgalen: I have OS X and that's my fix for propietary oses
[09:25:00] xris: mine has it for photoshop, but I haven't booted into windows in over a year except to do my taxes
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[09:25:00] mchou: isaac is the honcho who wrote myth.
[09:25:00] ** xris wises osx would run on his box. **
[09:25:00] EL_Whistey: I use windows for CounterStrike
[09:25:00] MonMotha: support for the wifi on my laptop also sucks in linux (sucks in windows too, but it at least works in windows)
[09:25:00] therealgalen: i'm working on os x86 on mac os x :P
[09:25:00] therealgalen: agh i can't think
[09:25:00] EL_Whistey: MonMotha, what wifi
[09:26:00] therealgalen: i mean os x 86 under intel
[09:26:00] therealgalen: or amd
[09:26:00] therealgalen: generic box
[09:26:00] MonMotha: it's an agere USB thingie. There is a linux driver, it's just very unstable and I don't think it supports WEP
[09:26:00] EL_Whistey: therealgalen, yeah? the new apple stuff?
[09:26:00] therealgalen: hmmm so if i have similar hardware to the author of myth, i'll probably be pretty safe :)
[09:26:00] therealgalen: yep the apple dev builds
[09:26:00] EL_Whistey: It'll be interesting to see whether you can sell a GUI. I guess MS has been doing it for years
[09:26:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, whats wrong with osx
[09:27:00] therealgalen: um i think xris wants it, so nothing :)
[09:27:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh
[09:27:00] SlicerDicer-: he wants it lol
[09:27:00] therealgalen: wises = wishes
[09:27:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: biggest (and really, only) thing wrong with osx is that you can't easily change the interface colors
[09:27:00] SlicerDicer-: see this is what happens when you fry your brain
[09:27:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, trust me I kno
[09:28:00] SlicerDicer-: I have a G4
[09:28:00] therealgalen: do i wanna know what you did to it? kernel debugging???
[09:28:00] xris: and it's heavily mouse-driven... been a mac user for YEARS, and I hate mice.
[09:28:00] SlicerDicer-: yep click everything
[09:28:00] therealgalen: i'm under os x atm... i want them to add a keyboard like they did to the palm os with the treo 650 :)
[09:29:00] EL_Whistey: I think I prefer open source wherever possible. Particularly for 'mission critical' stuff.
[09:29:00] therealgalen: so i think i'm comfortable on my cpu plans again, amd 3400, though i may never be able to buy a faster cpu without a new mobo, that's ok
[09:29:00] EL_Whistey: If worst comes to worst, you can always find the author and bribe or browbeat him or her.
[09:29:00] xris: EL_Whistey: I like linux a lot for everyday use.
[09:29:00] mchou: therealgalen: by the 939 mobos will be cheap :)
[09:29:00] EL_Whistey: xris, absolutely. Me too.
[09:29:00] mchou: then*
[09:29:00] therealgalen: yeah, that's the idea
[09:29:00] xris: but I have serious issues with both gnome and kde... and none of the other WM's have features I like.
[09:30:00] therealgalen: sit on the cutting edge of the trailing edge
[09:30:00] EL_Whistey: I use gnome2, not because I love it, but because it does what I want.
[09:30:00] mchou: therealgalen: plus SLI will most likely require a new beefy PS if you dont already have one.
[09:30:00] EL_Whistey: btw, there's a beta tk/tcl based WM :)
[09:30:00] mchou: nvidia suck more juice than a64.
[09:30:00] therealgalen: so my new question is, what should i do for a raid? i was originally thinking of getting a mobo with a silicon image sil 1334 sata raid controller onboard, but then i discovered the raid5 was semi-software
[09:30:00] EL_Whistey: This is all part of the tcl-everywhere plot^H^H^H^H^H project.
[09:31:00] xris: EL_Whistey: pretty much the same here.
[09:31:00] mchou: therealgalen: all that crap is SW raid.
[09:31:00] xris: therealgalen: you have three options for RAID in linux: software, LSI and 3Ware.. in ascending orders of $$
[09:31:00] mchou: I wouldn't trust any of that crap.
[09:31:00] therealgalen: mchou: yeah that's what if found out
[09:32:00] EL_Whistey: Well, does it really matter? Your CPU's probably mostly idle anyway.
[09:32:00] xris: s/software/kernel/
[09:32:00] therealgalen: i saw benchmarks for write performance on the software raid.... ouch
[09:32:00] xris: and honestly, LSI isn't really that much of an option.
[09:32:00] EL_Whistey: if the kernel raid stuff fits in cpu cache, you're sweet anyway
[09:32:00] mchou: LSI symbios :)
[09:32:00] Gumby: can anyone tell me their default player settings for movies in mythtv?
[09:32:00] xris: therealgalen: you can trust me on this stuff... one of my best friends works for livejournal and I hear all of his complaints about raid stuff.
[09:32:00] EL_Whistey: ah you buncha gearheads.
[09:33:00] Gumby: I've changed mine to xine and am having codec issues that I didnt have with mplayer
[09:33:00] xris: (that, and the complaints come back to us because we supply the hardware)
[09:33:00] therealgalen: xris: i've already decided that software raid is the least desirable, what is the LSI stuff?
[09:33:00] mchou: I pity fools who dont throught qualify and test HW.
[09:33:00] therealgalen: I'm soooooo sick of hard drives dying and playing the "musical hard drive" game
[09:34:00] xris: LSI and 3ware are the only (or only worth mentioning) hardware raid options for linux.
[09:34:00] mchou: RAID firmware is usually FULL of bugs.
[09:34:00] xris: mchou: oh, we know that all too well.
[09:34:00] therealgalen: i was planning to literally unplug a drive and see what happens before i trust it...
[09:34:00] mchou: all sorts of corner cases.
[09:34:00] EL_Whistey: I've got err some kinda hardware raid on one my my machines. SCSI. It's a pain to boot.
[09:34:00] xris: therealgalen: LSI cards are ok, but you get what you pay for. 3ware is better, and costs more.
[09:34:00] therealgalen: Running a raid 5 manually is less fun, of course, and that's what' i've been doing... distribute files around
[09:35:00] EL_Whistey: hard to know whether it helps, the disks are 9600rpm anyway
[09:35:00] xris: therealgalen: manually? as in `rsync` ? heh.
[09:36:00] therealgalen: xris: no, worse than that, like "copy the really important stuff three places, copy the less important stuff two places, don't duplicate stuff i don't need that badly, hope for the best, and shuffle around every time a hard drive dies"
[09:36:00] xris: therealgalen: these cards are pretty much your options for linux support: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c222/serial-ata.php
[09:36:00] therealgalen: xris: well, i do use rsync sometimes
[09:36:00] xris: therealgalen: http://rsnapshot.org/
[09:36:00] xris: at *least* use something nice for snapshots.
[09:37:00] EL_Whistey: Oh, you don't want raid for speed, but for convenience?
[09:37:00] EL_Whistey: Well, what does it matter that it's s/w?
[09:37:00] EL_Whistey: I am not convinced that rotational latency doesn't dominate anyway.
[09:37:00] mchou: xris, do you know where I can find mbo front panel control connectors (and crimps)?
[09:37:00] mchou: mobo*
[09:37:00] EL_Whistey: 'cos these 9600 scsi devices really fly. :)
[09:38:00] xris: mchou: front panel connectors for what?
[09:38:00] therealgalen: xris: yeah, one drive is fast enough, it's more for the reliability that i want it (i mean, more is nice, but the box is only going to play hdtv and a little other media, and serve files to me and me alone)
[09:38:00] mchou: I've been searching hi/low w/o success.
[09:38:00] EL_Whistey: noisy buggers, too
[09:38:00] therealgalen: xris: i'm sooooo sick of the data game
[09:38:00] therealgalen: i can deal with swapping a hard drive out
[09:38:00] xris: therealgalen: if you just want a little security, go with kernel raid1
[09:38:00] therealgalen: but shuffling data around every 3 months is just madness
[09:38:00] mchou: xris: those little pl\ugs you have to pulg into mobo power headers.
[09:38:00] xris: no real tax on the cpu, and it's reliable.
[09:38:00] EL_Whistey: I agree with xris.
[09:38:00] EL_Whistey: just reasoning from first principles.
[09:38:00] therealgalen: the problem is that raid 1 means i need 2x the storage
[09:39:00] EL_Whistey: well, yeah.
[09:39:00] therealgalen: i'm planning on getting somewhere in the range of 1 TB
[09:39:00] xris: mchou: you mean the power supply connectors, or the little jumper-type ones?
[09:39:00] mchou: xris: jumper ones.
[09:39:00] therealgalen: though based on the price of pci cards i'm seeing, i could buy a dedicated system for raid and use sw or something :)
[09:40:00] xris: mchou: not a clue. I think we have to beg case manufacturers for them, and we get them in great big bunches of like 5.
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[09:40:00] mchou: xris: lol :)
[09:40:00] xris: easiest thing to do is tear them off of old computers.
[09:40:00] xris: it's easy enough to change the wires.
[09:40:00] mchou: xris: I need some to refurb my old dell cases :)
[09:40:00] therealgalen: my concern about sw raids is somewhat performance, but i think i'm more concerned of, one way or another, messing it up
[09:40:00] EL_Whistey: after my experiences with setting up a pvr, I have new respect for people like tivo. It's by no means an easy thing to get working right.
[09:41:00] xris: therealgalen: then again, you either put up with software raid, or pay through the nose for hardware.
[09:41:00] EL_Whistey: Not mythtv's fault, I hasten to add.
[09:41:00] therealgalen: oops messed up the kernel a bit and whacked my raid
[09:41:00] therealgalen: has nothing to do with mythtv, i totally agree, except mythtv users need tons of storage
[09:41:00] xris: EL_Whistey: tivo has one advantage – all of the hardware is the same.
[09:41:00] EL_Whistey: xris, that's right.
[09:41:00] EL_Whistey: And it's not bleeding edge.
[09:41:00] xris: imagine how easy it'd be to get myth running if isaac decided we'd support ONE tuner card, one sound card, etc.
[09:42:00] therealgalen: how about you decide you support ONE raid card? :P
[09:42:00] xris: therealgalen: dunno. I get by with 120G just fine.
[09:42:00] EL_Whistey: It'd be impossible, because everyone would bitch that it's not the latest-greatest.
[09:42:00] therealgalen: try that with HDTV
[09:42:00] xris: EL_Whistey: exactly
[09:42:00] therealgalen: and a million other files
[09:42:00] xris: therealgalen: I don't have a tv capable.
[09:42:00] xris: and I archive my stuff to xvid within a few days of recording.
[09:42:00] xris: 350M/hour
[09:42:00] therealgalen: i do a ton of photography, paid and otherwise, and i can shoot my 2.2 GB microdrive full in a day, easy
[09:43:00] xris: therealgalen: if your data is that important (and you have that much), it's worth it to just buy a 3ware card.
[09:43:00] therealgalen: right, so xris you have no storage problems :) i will
[09:43:00] therealgalen: actually i do
[09:43:00] therealgalen: yeah, they are still a ton cheaper that firewire raids and such
[09:44:00] therealgalen: Are they sw independent or how does that work out?
[09:44:00] xris: 3ware?
[09:44:00] therealgalen: My fear is something will go "bump" with the software and there goes my raid....
[09:44:00] xris: well, you need an OS driver....
[09:44:00] therealgalen: xirs: yeah, 3ware i guess
[09:45:00] therealgalen: what does the OS driver do? just config or morE?
[09:45:00] xris: but basically, you configure the raid setup in the card's bios... and it shows up to the OS as a block device.
[09:45:00] xris: the OS driver is needed to interact with the card — schedule maintenance, report errors, etc.
[09:45:00] therealgalen: so if i were to move it to a new machine, it would show up as a single device? so no risk of things being destroyed even if the driver were gone, just no interface to the card
[09:46:00] xris: drivers are best supported for redhat distros, but debian-based works well, too.
[09:46:00] xris: therealgalen: I think so.
[09:46:00] therealgalen: Are the drivers open source?
[09:46:00] xris: dunno, actually.
[09:46:00] xris: partially, since I know that many of them are built into the kernel
[09:46:00] therealgalen: xris: what's the disadvantage to lsi vs 3ware or any other companies? i'm aiming for the cheapest *reliable* solution
[09:47:00] xris: pretty sure the management software isn't, but it's a couple of binaries.
[09:47:00] xris: therealgalen: quality of software and support, mainly...
[09:47:00] xris: it really falls down to a "you get what you pay for".
[09:47:00] xris: both work, 3ware works better.
[09:47:00] therealgalen: i hate that rule......
[09:47:00] xris: yeah, it sucks, but in this case as far as I've heard it's pretty straightforward.
[09:48:00] MonMotha: wtf...apparently the default loglevel for mod_ssl on this slackware package is DEBUG!
[09:48:00] MonMotha: I wondered why my logfile was like 10GB
[09:48:00] xris: MonMotha: ouch
[09:48:00] EL_Whistey: I'm still unclear as to why software raid isn't cheap and reliable.
[09:48:00] xris: therealgalen: bug me tomorrow and I'll get some specifics from my friend at livejournal... he knows ALL about them.
[09:48:00] MonMotha: software RAID is pretty cheap and reliable in my experience. Not as good as real hardware raid of cousre
[09:48:00] therealgalen: It looks like LSI at least supports "bios boot specification" which i would assume it means the raid is bootable, which implies it would work without software, just no interface to the card, which i like
[09:49:00] xris: EL_Whistey: software raid5 can be a tax on the cpu.
[09:49:00] therealgalen: el_whistey: software raid means if you mess up the software, you've just trahsed your raid, and it is slower too
[09:49:00] MonMotha: xris: interesting thing though, while you pay for it with extra CPU usage, it can be faster than hardware RAID 5 on cheaper RAID cards
[09:49:00] xris: therealgalen: actually, lsi's software does some cool stuff that 3ware is lagging with (mainly, online expansion and migration — lossless raid1->raid5, etc)... but it's also supposedly buggy.
[09:49:00] MonMotha: since many cheap RAID cards bottleneck on checksumming
[09:49:00] xris: MonMotha: quite true
[09:50:00] MonMotha: plus, you can't beat the price! :)
[09:50:00] xris: therealgalen: MonMotha has a good point.
[09:50:00] EL_Whistey: MonMotha, word.
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[09:50:00] xris: linux kernel raid tools aren't as slick as the web interface 3ware has, but they do work.
[09:50:00] therealgalen: yeah, but the performance is predictable with a card, it's not predictable with software
[09:50:00] MonMotha: I certainly would think long and hard before deploying any form of software RAID on a "production server", but frequently, it's just hard to compete with the cost
[09:50:00] therealgalen: Are you watching hdtv? The cpu is busy so the raid is slower....
[09:50:00] MonMotha: especially for simple RAID levels like RAID 1
[09:51:00] EL_Whistey: therealgalen, is it? Where does all the cpu go?
[09:52:00] therealgalen: el_whistey: i'm visualizing a situation where i'm trying to do disk intensive stuff (say read one hdtv show while writing another) and then eat pretty much all the CPU for hdtv-related tasks
[09:52:00] xris: MonMotha: for raid1, there's no reason not to use software, unless you just happen to have the money.
[09:52:00] MonMotha: xris: or like not having to mess with software raid tools
[09:52:00] xris: therealgalen: parity is only dealt with when writing data
[09:52:00] therealgalen: monmotha: many mobos support raid1 in the bios, and it's 100% configured on the mobo, invisible to the OS
[09:52:00] xris: MonMotha: with production servers, you better not be touching anything once it's installed. heh.
[09:52:00] therealgalen: xris: good point, but still....
[09:52:00] xris: therealgalen: sorry, not true.. it's usually software raid handled in the driver.
[09:52:00] MonMotha: xris: some cards do parity checks on reads to try to catch errors that don't result in physical disk errors
[09:53:00] MonMotha: xris: what about when a drive fails?
[09:53:00] xris: MonMotha: then you replace it. heh.
[09:53:00] MonMotha: therealgalen: I've never found a mobo that had "raid" support that wasn't just promise or highpoint software RAID with REALLY shitty BIOS support to fake the bootloader and DOS out
[09:53:00] xris: therealgalen: heck, we're having trouble finding OS driver support for plain old SATA controllers on the new intel stuff.
[09:53:00] MonMotha: xris: but you still have to do raidhotadd :)
[09:53:00] xris: MonMotha: shows what I know. heh.
[09:53:00] therealgalen: xris: i've seen a number of PCs where it's 100% bios or so i thought.... dunno
[09:53:00] MonMotha: I've got a server that runs RAID 1 software in production, works fine
[09:54:00] therealgalen: xris: but not for raid 5
[09:54:00] MonMotha: for RAID 1, there really is little reason to go hardware
[09:54:00] xris: therealgalen: no, it's never 100% bios.
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[09:54:00] therealgalen: note that i don't care about raid1, that's a last resort only if raid 5 ends up being *that* much more expensive than simple mittoring....
[09:54:00] therealgalen: xris: i must have been misled. i apologize!
[09:54:00] xris: therealgalen: 4 x 250G =~ $400
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[09:55:00] therealgalen: lets see how low the LSI/3ware cards go
[09:55:00] xris: so is it worth $362 or $549 to get a 3ware card.
[09:55:00] EL_Whistey: my first machine had a 180kb cassette tape for longterm storage. AND we used to use it in random access mode.
[09:55:00] therealgalen: why not LSI?
[09:55:00] xris: (btw, 9500 series are the one with the best bios)
[09:55:00] ** EL_Whistey can't resist throwing shit like that in. **
[09:55:00] therealgalen: lol
[09:56:00] xris: therealgalen: honestly, I've just heard too much about them being flaky.
[09:56:00] therealgalen: flaky + raid = ugh
[09:56:00] therealgalen: can i save any going non-SATA?
[09:56:00] xris: but they *are* cheap cards, and have cool features in software, and you can get a 6-port with bbu for under $500
[09:56:00] therealgalen: though i guess hot-swapping with SATA would be cool
[09:56:00] xris: therealgalen: save money, yes, but PATA raid is not considered reliable
[09:57:00] therealgalen: really? why not?
[09:57:00] xris: and flaky with options, not reliability.
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[09:57:00] xris: therealgalen: dunno. just isn't. drivers and firmware aren't maintained as well, I think
[09:57:00] therealgalen: xris: well, if i have raid 5 and can replace drives when they blow, i would be happy enough, don't think i'll being doing a lot more with it
[09:57:00] xris: anyway, I need to crash. hour past my bedtime.
[09:57:00] mchou: xris: hehe, found them: http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servl . . . uctId=100811
[09:58:00] EL_Whistey: goodnight xris
[09:58:00] therealgalen: xris: thanks for the info
[09:58:00] xris: mchou: lol
[09:58:00] therealgalen: i appreciate the patience
[09:58:00] xris: therealgalen: I can find out more info for you tomorrow.
[09:58:00] therealgalen: i just don't know x86.... just not stupid
[09:58:00] xris: but seriously, it all comes down to how much money you want to spend.
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[09:59:00] therealgalen: as little as possible, but get an acceptable level of service :)
[09:59:00] EL_Whistey: knowing x86 too well causes braindamage.
[09:59:00] therealgalen: well, i hope not to destroy my brain....
[10:00:00] therealgalen: honestly, some of this stuff is not relevant to know the specifics, just know that they 1) exist and 2) how to get the specifics
[10:00:00] therealgalen: if i were doing a serious server level thing, it would be super-easy to get the standard server hardware, it's all so prepackaged and such, but i can't afford a personal xserve at the moment...!
[10:01:00] MonMotha: x86 really is ugly
[10:01:00] therealgalen: but it's cheap
[10:02:00] EL_Whistey: It is. The world would have been a much better place if 68K had had restartable bus errors, and IBM hadn't made word processors.
[10:02:00] therealgalen: well, lets see how low i can go with a 3ware or lsi card....
[10:03:00] EL_Whistey: because then you could have done vm with 68k, and IBM wouldn't have gone with i8088 to avoid competition with its dedicated wp machines.
[10:03:00] EL_Whistey: and we'd have a nice architecture.
[10:03:00] therealgalen: lol
[10:03:00] EL_Whistey: it's true.
[10:04:00] Russ: ahh, paranoid agent
[10:04:00] therealgalen: i suppose this is opening up a new can of worms, but i assume any nvidia card with full xvmc and the proper connectors is gonna work properly? or what do i have to watch out for here....
[10:04:00] EL_Whistey: I have an nvidia 6600 and it doesn't work under Xv (let alone Xvmc) under 7667
[10:04:00] EL_Whistey: yet.
[10:05:00] EL_Whistey: it will. or there will be blood spilt.
[10:05:00] therealgalen: Why not?
[10:05:00] EL_Whistey: err, kernel problems, X problems, who knows. It fucks up.
[10:05:00] EL_Whistey: driver problems, most likely
[10:05:00] therealgalen: this is why the whole x86 platform drives me crazy
[10:05:00] therealgalen: when i see a grandma having a computer "built" for her.... i run
[10:05:00] EL_Whistey: and if you're planning on 1080i resolution on a tv, be aware that nvidia overscan does not work at those resolutions.
[10:06:00] therealgalen: drivers, viruses, spyware.....
[10:06:00] therealgalen: overscan being required for nvidia?
[10:06:00] therealgalen: ugh
[10:06:00] EL_Whistey: viruses and spyware are MS problems, not x86 problems.
[10:06:00] therealgalen: overscan being required for dvi? or just analog out?
[10:06:00] EL_Whistey: Well, I dunno. If you have DVI input to your tellie, not.
[10:06:00] EL_Whistey: I have only component.
[10:07:00] therealgalen: ok, we pick, linux has limited drivers and is messy in a lot of ways, windows has the drivers but also the spyware/viruses/security
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[10:07:00] EL_Whistey: linux drivers are often ok.
[10:08:00] EL_Whistey: You just want to be the second kid on the block, usually.
[10:08:00] EL_Whistey: these closed source nvidia things are giving me the irrits.
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[10:08:00] therealgalen: ummm yeah.... just try having your grandma setup her printer
[10:08:00] EL_Whistey: as was mentioned before, however, the ati closed source things are even worse.
[10:08:00] therealgalen: gimp-print? why would i need a small man in my computer to help me print???
[10:09:00] EL_Whistey: CUPS is pretty good, actually
[10:09:00] therealgalen: cups? i need a cup of coffee or i'm gonna lose it....
[10:09:00] therealgalen: i can just hear granny
[10:09:00] therealgalen: yeah, i was going nvidia for that reason, but i wonder, if all i need is basic xvmc, are there any other cards that are "nicer"?
[10:09:00] therealgalen: I would love completely open-source drivers, if just for the philosophy
[10:10:00] EL_Whistey: Well, you know ... she can set up her printer right after she's changed the oil filter in her car.
[10:10:00] therealgalen: i mean, all i need is xvmc, i could care less about anything else except maybe the connectors
[10:10:00] EL_Whistey: what, you mean she doesn't change her own oil?
[10:10:00] therealgalen: el_whistey: she could just plug it into os x and choose file-> print and she's printing
[10:10:00] EL_Whistey: FFS, why should computers be easy for joe random to use?
[10:11:00] EL_Whistey: therealgalen, that's cool. She should use OSX.
[10:11:00] EL_Whistey: and drive a volvo
[10:11:00] EL_Whistey: while wearing a hat.
[10:11:00] EL_Whistey: at 40km
[10:11:00] EL_Whistey: p.h
[10:12:00] EL_Whistey: down a subway access ramp
[10:12:00] therealgalen: i just have the feeling that sort of thing is going to work against computers as a whole... it's like we need some super-abstracted method of doing everything
[10:12:00] EL_Whistey: people are stupid. computers just amplify that.
[10:12:00] EL_Whistey: I am in favour of user deadly software.
[10:12:00] therealgalen: oh electrocution?
[10:12:00] EL_Whistey: I believe it improves the gene pool.
[10:12:00] EL_Whistey: Yes. Enable A/C To Keyboard.
[10:12:00] EL_Whistey: or mouse.
[10:13:00] therealgalen: We're gonna need a good transformer in order to ensure proper improvement of the gene pool.
[10:13:00] nhahmada: hi all, i've been having a problem where my commercial detection works, but when the fadeout goes, it skips to a random part of the show, sometimes to a part 5 minutes earlier. it also can happen in the middle (after a bad commercial skip) at random times
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[10:13:00] EL_Whistey: I want to infect MS Help with instructions on opening the PS and licking the big capacitor.
[10:13:00] therealgalen: Or we could chose the silent method.... sterility via "accidental" radiation
[10:13:00] nhahmada: any ideas?
[10:14:00] EL_Whistey: therealgalen, good idea. Got a mode line to make the monitor generate x-rays?
[10:14:00] EL_Whistey: mind you, it's probably too late for granny.
[10:14:00] therealgalen: yeah, but granny's kids.... in 20 years they won't be having any kids because they downloaded kazzaa.....
[10:15:00] therealgalen: sorry can't help nhahmada, i'm working on getting my own myth system right now, never touched the software yet....
[10:15:00] nhahmada: ah, what are you working with?
[10:15:00] therealgalen: the problem is that we'll end up speaking binary as a population after a while if this scheme works out
[10:15:00] EL_Whistey: nhahmada, yeah I dream of being able to test the commercial skipping stuff :)
[10:15:00] nhahmada: ha, it's nice
[10:15:00] nhahmada: it was working fine
[10:16:00] therealgalen: No system yet el?
[10:16:00] nhahmada: ...but i got greedy
[10:16:00] EL_Whistey: therealgalen, binary would be ok, but it'll be XML
[10:16:00] therealgalen: I don't yet have an x86 system yet. I'm currently on a 1.33 GHz G4.
[10:16:00] nhahmada: i changed from RTJpeg to MPEG-4
[10:16:00] nhahmada: and it's been acting up
[10:16:00] therealgalen: good point el!
[10:16:00] EL_Whistey: I have a nice system, it just doesn't display tv through mythtv. Xv porblem.
[10:16:00] nhahmada: ...but does increase me to over 100 hrs of recordings
[10:16:00] nhahmada: ah
[10:16:00] nhahmada: didn't have to mess with that
[10:16:00] EL_Whistey: I'm stalking the nice nvidia support lady to try to get her to fix it.
[10:17:00] nhahmada: good luck
[10:17:00] therealgalen: nhahmada, working on a system for hdtv, with an a64 3400 and raid 5 (hopefully)
[10:17:00] nhahmada: jeez
[10:17:00] nhahmada: REALLY good luck
[10:17:00] EL_Whistey: yeah, therealgalen is hardcore
[10:17:00] therealgalen: it's gonna work one way or another
[10:17:00] nhahmada: how much space?
[10:18:00] therealgalen: somewhere around a 1 TB, wherever the "sweet" spot in the pricing is
[10:18:00] nhahmada: that'll be awesome
[10:18:00] therealgalen: the a64 3400 754 pin is only $161 shipped
[10:18:00] therealgalen: I hunt for the sweet spot in everything
[10:18:00] therealgalen: and, when i get irritated enough with something, I make it work
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[10:18:00] EL_Whistey: yeah, 250Gb seems to be the sweet spot atm.
[10:18:00] therealgalen: A while back I had an iBook that would always sleep when cosed
[10:18:00] nhahmada: heh, that's what i have
[10:19:00] therealgalen: I'm seeing some 320 GB drives for a good price too
[10:19:00] nhahmada: 250gigs, that is, not the iBook
[10:19:00] EL_Whistey: 1Tb == 4x. I have 250Gb SATA, with scope to go to 4x
[10:19:00] EL_Whistey: I don't think I'll ever get there though.
[10:19:00] EL_Whistey: there's not that much on tv worth watching.
[10:19:00] therealgalen: Well, i got so irritated I downloaded the kernel source and un-did the limitations apple inserted for the iBooks, but didn't have in the powerbooks
[10:20:00] nhahmada: good job
[10:20:00] therealgalen: Then every time I updated OS X, I re-did the process
[10:20:00] EL_Whistey: AFK, RL stuff calls.
[10:20:00] therealgalen: and i was, what, 16 at the time
[10:20:00] therealgalen: RL? whatever that is el...
[10:20:00] nhahmada: wow...myth has actually been my first experience w/linux
[10:20:00] EL_Whistey: Real Life
[10:20:00] nhahmada: i tried using Ubuntu
[10:20:00] EL_Whistey: as distinct from IVR.
[10:21:00] therealgalen: i started on mac, then was about to leave and os x arrived
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[10:21:00] therealgalen: linux is cool and all, but honestly, the config/setup is insane
[10:21:00] nhahmada: sound was fucking up pretty bad, so i switched to KnoppMyth
[10:21:00] therealgalen: utterly insane
[10:21:00] nhahmada: i've learned a lot
[10:21:00] nhahmada: KnoppMyth is by no means perfect
[10:21:00] therealgalen: I can deal with linux servers pretty well. I have my own server and stuff, but I don't touch the hardware
[10:21:00] therealgalen: When it comes to hardware *screams*
[10:21:00] nhahmada: heh
[10:22:00] therealgalen: I come from OS X. It just works 100% of the time here.
[10:22:00] therealgalen: The biggest complaint I have is that Apple has no API for idct/motion compensation acceleration
[10:22:00] therealgalen: My laptop would be perfect for hdtv if i just had that
[10:22:00] nhahmada: as a frontend?
[10:23:00] therealgalen: instead the 1.3 ghz g4 just barely can't play 1080i, with yuv2 color conversion shunted to the GPU via OpenGL
[10:23:00] therealgalen: there's no xvmc
[10:23:00] therealgalen: yet apple has idct/motion compensation for dvd playback
[10:23:00] therealgalen: but not quicktime
[10:23:00] nhahmada: ah
[10:23:00] nhahmada: well...do you know any other channels i could check out for my problem?
[10:23:00] therealgalen: not at this hour
[10:24:00] nhahmada: or maybe ask here when it's busier?
[10:24:00] therealgalen: irc is still us-centric it seems
[10:24:00] nhahmada: ah
[10:24:00] therealgalen: i would try mythtv-users
[10:24:00] therealgalen: the mailing list i mean
[10:24:00] therealgalen: not good for casual chatting, they're nearly unfriendly, but when you have an issue....
[10:24:00] therealgalen: they seem pretty good
[10:24:00] therealgalen: high volume list though
[10:24:00] nhahmada: yeah
[10:24:00] nhahmada: most threads have a few replies though
[10:25:00] therealgalen: hook it up to it's own gmail account and you're set :)
[10:25:00] nhahmada: heh
[10:25:00] nhahmada: maybe i'll just ask here around when there's more people?
[10:25:00] therealgalen: if you have a very specific issue, yes
[10:25:00] therealgalen: i would 1) search and 2) post your issue
[10:25:00] therealgalen: you'll probably have great discussion in ~6 hours
[10:25:00] nhahmada: i've searched...hard keywords, though
[10:26:00] nhahmada: what, really? that early?
[10:26:00] therealgalen: but if you're more asking general questions that lead to discussion, they're all classically antisocial geeks :P
[10:26:00] nhahmada: ha, i'll be fine
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[10:26:00] therealgalen: i'm in a weird spot in that i'm not antisocial :P
[10:27:00] nhahmada: alright, maybe i'll see you when i ask again, then
[10:27:00] therealgalen: and i see some stuff and i'm like, that's so stupid, and geeks are like, hey, this makes perfect sense
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[10:27:00] nhahmada: i gotta goto bed, work tomorrow
[10:27:00] therealgalen: well, a lot of people get up early and are on the east coast of the US so i would say 6 hours would probably get you at least one response
[10:27:00] nhahmada: ok
[10:27:00] therealgalen: ~5 am EST already
[10:27:00] nhahmada: true
[10:27:00] therealgalen: so people are hitting their inboxes now
[10:27:00] therealgalen: there's a burst from 5–9 am when people are "fresh"
[10:27:00] nhahmada: see ya later
[10:27:00] therealgalen: best time to hit them
[10:27:00] therealgalen: maybe
[10:27:00] nhahmada: thanks
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[10:28:00] therealgalen: probably not actually :)
[10:28:00] therealgalen: now i'm all alone here :(
[10:29:00] Hound: not completely alone
[10:30:00] Hound: I'm bored
[10:31:00] therealgalen: lol
[10:31:00] therealgalen: I'm not bored, that's the good news
[10:32:00] therealgalen: still looking for a cheap raid solution
[10:32:00] Hound: I am trying to debug a silly USB issue on a new Dell server I bought. Doesn't read my USB floppy disk because I think the EHCI+OHCI+UHCI drivers are conflicting
[10:33:00] therealgalen: lol that's why i don't yet have an x86 box...
[10:33:00] Hound: but everythings at a hault until I my kernel finishes recompiling
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[10:33:00] Hound: My server came with raid, dunno if it's any good.
[10:34:00] Hound: Only bought one hard drive :)
[10:34:00] therealgalen: lol
[10:34:00] therealgalen: that's a killer raid!
[10:34:00] Hound: software's cheap isn't it?
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[10:34:00] therealgalen: yeah, but reliable? decent performance?
[10:35:00] therealgalen: the purpose of a raid for me is the reliability
[10:35:00] therealgalen: don't want to mess up my kernel and hose my raid...
[10:36:00] Hound: Yea, I would be worried about the hardware dying and not being able to plug my drives in anywhere
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[10:36:00] Hound: I'd buy 2 just to keep one safe
[10:37:00] therealgalen: i go through so many drives
[10:37:00] Russ: ummm
[10:38:00] Russ: ohci, ehci, and uhci can't conflict
[10:38:00] Russ: ehci is for firewire
[10:38:00] Russ: ohci is for usb2.0 devices
[10:38:00] Russ: uhcp is for usb 1.1 devices
[10:38:00] Hound: oh they do, in one way or another.
[10:38:00] Russ: there is a mux is usb ports that passes 1.1 connections to the uhci silicon
[10:38:00] therealgalen: ohci is also for us 1.1
[10:38:00] Russ: and the 2.0 connections to the 2.0 silicon
[10:38:00] Hound: but I believe EHCI = 2.0, OHCI or UHCI are v1
[10:38:00] Russ: no, its not
[10:39:00] Russ: no, ohci is firewire
[10:39:00] therealgalen: i have an ohci compliant usb 1.1 card in the other room i'm pretty sure....
[10:39:00] Russ: no, you don't
[10:39:00] Hound: :) I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain OCHI is a sudo hardware based USB
[10:39:00] therealgalen: back a long time ago, it was ihci vs ohci, os x couldn't do ihci i think...
[10:39:00] Russ: usb 2.0 cards have two controllers built into them
[10:39:00] Russ: one controller for 2.0
[10:39:00] Russ: and one controller for 1.1
[10:40:00] Hound: Right there's intel usb and non-intel usb, intel = uhci, non-intel=ohci
[10:40:00] Hound: and 2.0 thankfully is used the same all around
[10:40:00] Hound: ehci.
[10:40:00] therealgalen: hmmm yep
[10:40:00] Hound: I have a EHCI+OHCI board, and then onboard EHCI+UHCI
[10:40:00] Hound: and they hate each other
[10:41:00] therealgalen: it has a personality disorder
[10:41:00] Hound: if I cycle the ehci module I can get the USB drive to load, but until I do that I get all kinds of timing errors and most of the time it won't even connect it to any driver
[10:41:00] therealgalen: you know, this seems so stupid. why is raid 5 so expensive to implement in hardware?
[10:42:00] Russ: if you remove the 2.0 driver and it then starts working
[10:42:00] Russ: then it has fallen back to the 1.1 driver/hardware
[10:42:00] Russ: which could mean that your cable isn't very good
[10:42:00] Russ: or that your 2.0 driver/hardware sucks
[10:42:00] therealgalen: i mean, i could build a hefty entire system for the cost of hardware... way more system than you would need for an ample sw raid
[10:43:00] therealgalen: how hard is it to stick the software onto a chip and make it hardware, mass produce it and make it super cheap, like everything else?
[10:44:00] Hound: It's always about the $
[10:44:00] Hound: If they can sell it to someone who will it buy it at those costs
[10:45:00] therealgalen: not enough competition
[10:45:00] therealgalen: i mean, all you've gotta do is stick linux or *bsd on a chip with a cheap cpu and some memory and you're done
[10:45:00] Hound: right
[10:45:00] Russ: they don't make very many
[10:46:00] therealgalen: the part is i want it on a chip, pre-debugged, with zero risk of it getting messed up
[10:46:00] Russ: so their NRE costs end up consisting of a larger portion of the price tag
[10:46:00] Russ: and no, a cheap CPU wouldn't work
[10:46:00] Russ: cause it would need PCI, as well as a non-transparent PCI bridge
[10:46:00] therealgalen: why not? all you need is some horsepower...
[10:46:00] Russ: and ide controller
[10:46:00] Russ: and a high speed memory bus
[10:47:00] therealgalen: look at the cpu/mobo combos
[10:47:00] Hound: VIA sells some pretty sweet embedded x86 boards
[10:47:00] therealgalen: they have all that and more
[10:47:00] Russ: rigtht, but you are talking about making a PCI card
[10:47:00] Russ: not a mobo
[10:47:00] therealgalen: ok, how about an external firewire case?
[10:47:00] therealgalen: they start at $500...
[10:48:00] Russ: plus, thats basically how hardware raid is built anyway
[10:48:00] Russ: risc processor, ide controller, etc
[10:48:00] therealgalen: apple makes their computers do "firewire target disk mode" – emulate an ieee 1394 drive with full performance
[10:48:00] Russ: I think they usually combine the ide controller and the non-transparent pci bridge into an FPGA
[10:48:00] therealgalen: yeah, and 1000% markup
[10:49:00] mace: hi, did anyone see my question last night around midnight BST?
[10:49:00] therealgalen: i have to say, mirrored drives are looking better by the second
[10:49:00] therealgalen: I have no idea where BST is, sorry
[10:49:00] mace: UK
[10:49:00] Hound: lol
[10:50:00] Hound: when did that change?
[10:50:00] mace: ?
[10:50:00] Hound: Wasn't it GMT?
[10:50:00] mace: about 10 hours ago, anyones time
[10:50:00] Hound: :)
[10:50:00] therealgalen: lol
[10:50:00] Russ: I usually run at least mirrored
[10:50:00] Russ: raid5 on this box
[10:50:00] mace: yeah up until aprilish
[10:50:00] Hound: oh hehe
[10:51:00] mace: anyway.. ;)
[10:51:00] Hound: That stands for British Summer Time, cute
[10:52:00] Hound: You should ask again anyways
[10:52:00] ** mace nods **
[10:52:00] mace: sec
[10:53:00] Hound: oh yea it's UTC now, not GMT, my bad.
[10:54:00] mace: i'm having a problem with programs getting recorded multiple times
[10:55:00] mace: a search of the mailing list suggests that in 2003 the title, subtitle and description fields must all both be populated and be identical for dupe checking to work
[10:55:00] mace: is that correct, and if so, is there some way to allow the subtitle to be empty?
[10:55:00] mace: i've set myth to record 'top gear', but there are about 5 repeats of it a day, and it ends up mostly filling the disk up :(
[10:56:00] MonMotha: well, I guess I'm going to have to bin my PVR-150
[10:56:00] MonMotha: it's locking up recording about half the tiem
[10:57:00] Hound: mace, i don't know about most of those questions, but just to ask the obvious, did you select record only one showing?
[10:57:00] mace: nope
[10:57:00] mace: er
[10:57:00] Hound: ah okay. I bet that's it, if you have mythweb it's easy to control, I much prefer schedueling stuff like that.
[10:57:00] Hound: but if not lemme see if I can find the option
[10:58:00] Hound: ah damn mythbox froze
[10:58:00] mace: record at any time on any channel, but dup checking is set to subtitle and description..
[10:58:00] mace: ah i can do it on just description
[10:58:00] Hound: nah hit left or right, or up or down
[10:58:00] ** mace tries that **
[10:58:00] Hound: shuold give you some other options
[10:59:00] mace: sorted, nice one ta
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[11:14:00] nick125: hey everyone
[11:18:00] nick125: when im watching my myth, and I try to alt-tab, sometimes it will hardlock my machine up and I have to restart it. where should I look?
[11:18:00] therealgalen: um, search the mythtv-users mailing list, then post to it
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[11:20:00] therealgalen: sorry i can't help you i have yet to touch mythtv i'm planning a box right now
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[11:22:00] therealgalen: nick125: does that do any good?
[11:22:00] nick125: Im gonna look around some
[11:22:00] nick125: see if I can find the issue..
[11:22:00] therealgalen: wish i could do better, but i can't
[11:23:00] therealgalen: i'm trying to sort out the optimal raid arrangement
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[11:30:00] PoonJ: hey guys..I'm trying to get nuvexport to work..
[11:30:00] PoonJ: but for some reason, I'm getting the error "this host is not configured for myth"
[11:40:00] therealgalen: sorry i can't help
[11:40:00] therealgalen: still working on mythtv box plans
[11:40:00] therealgalen: have you tried searching the mailing list?
[11:40:00] PoonJ: will try
[11:40:00] therealgalen: otherwise, post there, people will be checking their email soon (morning crowd on east coast) and you'll hear back soon enough
[11:41:00] therealgalen: mythtv-users is what you want, at mythtv.org
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[13:08:00] lucas: hey. does anybody know a windows app that will play a backend's .nuv file, while it is recording? I tried VLC, bsplayer, windows media player, and they all stop at the point in the recording that was the end of the recording when the I started playing the file.
[13:08:00] Tommck: lucas – I have no idea whether it works, but did you try winMyth?
[13:09:00] Tommck: I know that winmyth will play the files, just not sure if it'll work on one that's currently recording
[13:10:00] MonMotha: bleh, now I need to get mythtv to build against all the new xorg stuff
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[13:12:00] GreyFoxx: lucas: mplayer might do it.
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[13:13:00] MonMotha: that and I need to not crash X with the RandR extension
[13:15:00] lucas: tommck: winmyth didn't work... mythbackend crashes as soon as winmyth talks to it.
[13:16:00] Tommck: lucas – works fine here... do you have matching versions?
[13:18:00] lucas: yeah. it doens't crash the moment it talks though, but as soon as I want to watch something, my backend crashes..
[13:19:00] lucas: or freezes is more appropriate.. in fact there is no way to kill the process (that I know).
[13:19:00] Tommck: interesting
[13:19:00] lucas: reboot -n doesn't work either... I have to walk down, and press the reset button.
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[13:19:00] Tommck: well, I guess you could ask the winmyth developer about that one.
[13:19:00] lucas: just tried mplayer, but mplayer only displays on my 1st monitor... I need to work too, so need the game I'd like to watch on my 2nd monitor.
[13:20:00] lucas: yeah.. I was hoping just a basic player would be able to notice that the filesize is growing as it is playing the file..
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[14:32:00] zePh7r: hi
[14:33:00] mrkookz: any Aust mythtv users here?
[14:33:00] zePh7r: i'm just looking for someway of recording tv in linux. Could you give me an hint, plz?
[14:34:00] mrkookz: I'm off to buy a tuner card tomorrow for my first mythbox. Any recommendations...seems a lot of people use the PVR350, but wouldn't going for a DVB-T card be a better choice?
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[14:44:00] MonMotha: mr|venom: depends on what you want to record
[14:45:00] MonMotha: er mrkookz, who just left...
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[14:45:00] zePh7r: i'm just looking for directions towards recording tv under linux. any hints, plz?
[14:46:00] MonMotha: well, maybe using mythtv would be a good idea
[14:47:00] zePh7r: could you elaborate on that, plz?
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[14:55:00] GreyFoxx: zePh7r: You are going to have to be more specific in your questions for someone to really be able to answer you.
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[14:58:00] zePh7r: i simply would like to know why mythtv is the right app for just recording tv (my problem is that kdetv lacks a rec buttom, lol)
[14:59:00] GreyFoxx: Whether or not it's the "right" app would depend on you, your needs and your tastes.
[15:00:00] zePh7r: as far as i could understand, mythtv is something trying to replace windows media center, wich isn't my case
[15:00:00] zePh7r: as i spoke, my problem is the lack of a rec buttom in kdetv or xawtv
[15:00:00] zePh7r: all i want is to record tv
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[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: Myth's goal is not to replace MCE, but it is an alternative to it. Both have the recording/scheduling and all that
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: zePh7r: Myth might well be more than you need
[15:01:00] zePh7r: GreyFoxx, thanks, that's what i thought
[15:02:00] GreyFoxx: xawtv does have the ability to record, at least it did back when I last used it. But it was in an uncompressed form and took up aton of disk space
[15:02:00] GreyFoxx: Well, I'm pretty sure it did anyway. But it's been quite a while since I last used it :)
[15:02:00] zePh7r: GUI or text mode?
[15:03:00] GreyFoxx: There was a menu item, or a key that could be pressed while watching TV to record
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[15:03:00] GreyFoxx: but like I said it was a long time ago, so I might be thinking of another app
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[15:11:00] MonMotha: zePh7r: if you want a downright hackish way of recording from a v4l device, look at mencoder or transcode. They can both take their input live from a v4l source, compress it (pick something your system can do in real time), then throw it in a disk
[15:11:00] MonMotha: they're beasts with options though, and Im' sure someone's made a frontend
[15:13:00] zePh7r: mencoder, transcode?
[15:14:00] zePh7r: are those apps?
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[15:14:00] zePh7r: sorry for my newbiness
[15:15:00] i10neorg: When you fire up mythtranscode with the --showprogress option... even before you start reading from the fifos, you should see something on stdout, right?
[15:16:00] i10neorg: I'm trying to trouble shoot a "pipe:: Error while opening file" problem in nuvexport and thought I'd check mythtranscode first.
[15:17:00] MonMotha: zePh7r: yes, google
[15:17:00] MonMotha: I'm going to sleep now
[15:17:00] MonMotha: it's 8:15AM
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[15:17:00] i10neorg: I seem to remember when I used it with mythtv .16 that mythtranscode would say a few things when it started.
[15:18:00] zePh7r: MonMotha, thanks for all the help
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[15:52:00] CyberKnet: *yawn*
[15:53:00] shiznix: zePh7r: it's a personal choice, but i've found the best results for a quick capture are to use mencoder, as MonMotha says though, the options are horrendous
[15:54:00] shiznix: mencoder tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0:alsa:adevice=hw.0,0:audiorate=48000:driver=v4l2:width=640:hei ght=480 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vhq:vbitrate=2000 -vf pp=lb -oac mp3lame -o test.avi
[15:54:00] shiznix: see ?
[15:54:00] shiznix: :D
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[17:18:00] rben: For some reason my Knoppmyth wireless box is connecting to my network, but can't talk to machines out on the internet, even though it seems to be resolving DNS stuff correctly.
[17:18:00] laga: rben: check the default gateway
[17:18:00] laga: with 'route'
[17:18:00] rben: default 192.168.1.1 which is my router
[17:18:00] CyberKnet: rben: and you can ping your router?
[17:18:00] rben: yeah
[17:18:00] CyberKnet: rben: and your router can ping it?
[17:19:00] rben: let me check
[17:19:00] rben: yep
[17:19:00] rben: no losses
[17:19:00] rben: and ping is resolving DNS addresses
[17:19:00] CyberKnet: and a ping one hop upstream fails?
[17:19:00] rben: so if I ping my web site, I can see it's going to the right address, but it gets no response
[17:19:00] CyberKnet: from the wireless box
[17:20:00] CyberKnet: does your router have a log of some kind for incoming and outgoing traffic?
[17:20:00] rben: I don't think so, but let me check
[17:21:00] jams: are other machines able to access the web? some home routers are known to behave exactly like your describing
[17:21:00] Tommck: So, when's MythTV gonna support this? http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050714/od_afp/a . . . 050714114737
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[17:21:00] rben: is it possible that having 'block anonymous internet requests' enabled in my router security is the problem?
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[17:23:00] rben: nope, that didn't fix it
[17:23:00] rben: all the other machines get the web fine
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[17:24:00] rben: I can enable logging
[17:24:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: I have a patch pending in svn to support it.
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[17:25:00] CyberKnet: rben: so do so, and see what the hang-up is
[17:25:00] rben: I am looking now
[17:27:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: It's a real pain in hte ass though. They haven't got the directional audio 100% right yet, and so when watching one picture, you'll still slightly hear the audio from the other program.
[17:28:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: so the kids are watching teletubbies, and all of a sudden will smith in Bad Boys is cursing motherf**ker this and sonofab*tch that, and the wife will glare at me... gah.
[17:29:00] Beirdo: better than than pr0n
[17:30:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – that sounds like a big problem :)
[17:30:00] CyberKnet: Yeah, but try telling her that, it doesn't help the situation any. Especially when the kinds ask "Mommy, what is porn?"
[17:30:00] Tommck: Beirdo – you could do this with two angles from the same DVD :)
[17:30:00] Tommck: that'd be cool.
[17:30:00] Tommck: "Well, kids, let me show you..."
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[17:30:00] CyberKnet: gah!
[17:31:00] Beirdo: although pr0n audio may make teletubbies more enjoyable for the parents
[17:31:00] Tommck: hehe
[17:31:00] Tommck: would it have to be gay porn when Tinkie Winkie is on?
[17:31:00] Beirdo: ewww
[17:31:00] laga: umm
[17:31:00] laga: sickos
[17:31:00] Beirdo: OK, I'm flushing this from my memory banks
[17:32:00] Tommck: lol..
[17:32:00] laga: yeah, /clear
[17:32:00] CyberKnet: please flush it from the log bot too. we don't need to remember this.
[17:32:00] CyberKnet: ever.
[17:32:00] CyberKnet: gay teletubbie porn. what were you thinking?
[17:32:00] CyberKnet: ugh.
[17:32:00] CyberKnet: well.
[17:32:00] CyberKnet: anyways.
[17:33:00] CyberKnet: some poor kid is gonna search google for teletubbies now and this is gonna turn up.
[17:33:00] CyberKnet: poor kid.
[17:33:00] Beirdo: way to make a searchable phrase, CyberKnet
[17:34:00] laga: lets hope it's not an AOL kid, i imagine him joining the chat room 'dude, can i download gay teletubbie porn with mythtv?"
[17:34:00] CyberKnet: hahahahah
[17:34:00] rben: now I think things are getting wierder
[17:34:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: check out the first sentence of that article you posted
[17:34:00] CyberKnet: "Parents will no longer miss their news programs or movies if their children insist on watching cartoons."
[17:34:00] rben: now I get host unreachable if I try to ping the wireless box and vice versa
[17:34:00] laga: we should tell him about torrentocracy ten ;)
[17:34:00] CyberKnet: I have a MUCH cheaper solution to this problem.
[17:34:00] laga: then*
[17:34:00] rben: so I'm rebooting the wireless box
[17:35:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:35:00] laga: CyberKnet: does it involve leather belts?
[17:36:00] Beirdo: OK, snipped out
[17:36:00] Beirdo: now behave
[17:36:00] CyberKnet: "Do you have a child that is insisting on watching cartons?" <cut scene of parent nodding> "Does this make you miss the shows you want to watch?" <cut scene of parent nodding> "Are you willing to hand over your life savings to rectify it?" <cut scene of parent nodding> "Introducing the BackHand 2000, the premier solution for child insolence in the post-modern era!"
[17:36:00] laga: hehe
[17:37:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – nice
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: Guaranteed to work, or we'll take your child away.
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: Seriously, what kind of idiot parent would spend $MegaBucks on a two way tv to fix that problem?
[17:38:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – yeah... minimally, buy another TV.
[17:38:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – or get Myth or Tivo
[17:38:00] rben: now I can't ping from the wireless box to my own
[17:38:00] rben: but I can ping from my box to the wireless
[17:39:00] laga: well done
[17:39:00] ** laga hides **
[17:42:00] rben: so what am I doing wrong?
[17:42:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: What kind of voip phones do you use (if any) ? A friend is looking for arecommendation, and while I have no problems with mine I know it's considered a low end model
[17:42:00] rben: is it the default route?
[17:42:00] Beirdo: I don't
[17:42:00] GreyFoxx: k
[17:42:00] Beirdo: I use POTS phones with Sipura SPA-2100 and SPA-3000
[17:42:00] CyberKnet: I use an ATA, sorry
[17:42:00] GreyFoxx: k
[17:43:00] CyberKnet: might try in #asterisk
[17:43:00] CyberKnet: lot of voip users in there.
[17:43:00] GreyFoxx: A friend of mine moved to Alberta and we're hooking him up with an extension from our shared PBX(10 phone lines on it) so that he can call back here on the cheap
[17:43:00] GreyFoxx: now he wants a phone for it :)
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[17:44:00] CyberKnet: tell him to get an ATA =)
[17:44:00] CyberKnet: then he can use any phone with it
[17:44:00] CyberKnet: they're not that expensive.
[17:44:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: send him to slePP...
[17:44:00] Beirdo: :)
[17:44:00] Beirdo: especially if he's in Edmonton
[17:44:00] CyberKnet: Yeah, slePP will make a good deal on one.
[17:45:00] GreyFoxx: He;s in Fort McMurray, but still closer than me :)
[17:46:00] Beirdo: for sure
[17:46:00] CyberKnet: I think I'm gonna get some x10 gear
[17:46:00] GreyFoxx: cool. I'll try to get them together
[17:47:00] GreyFoxx: Does he have a site to order from ?
[17:48:00] CyberKnet: I don't think so
[17:48:00] GreyFoxx: He;'s currently idle for almost 37hours heh
[17:48:00] CyberKnet: SLEPP!!!!!
[17:49:00] CyberKnet: hmm.
[17:49:00] CyberKnet: didn't seem to help
[17:49:00] CyberKnet: might be able to get his attention through the pastebin
[17:49:00] CyberKnet: .ca
[17:50:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: thinktel.ca
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: sweet, thx
[17:52:00] rben: I figured it out
[17:53:00] rben: I had a line with hostname in the interfaces file that was pointing to a hostname defined in the hosts file with a different ip address than it got from DHCP
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[18:01:00] cortezdapimp: hello. I'm still having this invalid block device problem with my /myth/tv partition which is located on an external firewire drive. has anyone seen this?
[18:01:00] Beirdo: no, never used firewire drives
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[18:06:00] ** xris pokes kormoc|afk **
[18:06:00] xris: poor kormoc|afk ate bad sushi....
[18:06:00] ** kormoc|afk grumbles. **
[18:06:00] laga: heh
[18:06:00] kormoc|afk: yeah... uni sucks :/
[18:06:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:07:00] Beirdo: mmmm, sushi
[18:07:00] CyberKnet: bad sushi that made him ill, or bad sushi that turned him off sushi
[18:07:00] CyberKnet: ?
[18:07:00] ** Tommck thinks there's no such thing as good sushi :) **
[18:07:00] Beirdo: Tommck: you bite your tongue
[18:07:00] kormoc|afk: made myself ill for most of the night
[18:07:00] Tommck: Beirdo – OK... it would taste better :)
[18:07:00] ** CyberKnet sides with Tommck **
[18:07:00] feoh: folks.
[18:07:00] Beirdo: You guys are uncultured. :)
[18:07:00] Beirdo: sushi++
[18:08:00] CyberKnet: --sushi;
[18:08:00] CyberKnet: it's bad before you even look to see what it is.
[18:08:00] Tommck: Beirdo – actually, seaweed makes me gag (literally) and I like cooked things, so it reall narrows things down
[18:08:00] feoh: The sound so far has been the hardest thing for me to get going. I've followed the docs several times, alsactl segfaults, but I've set the levels using other mixers, recording gets me zero sound.
[18:08:00] Beirdo: all the more for me then
[18:08:00] Tommck: *really
[18:08:00] feoh: Mmmm sushi :)
[18:08:00] feoh: sushi++ unagi++ wasabi++
[18:09:00] Beirdo: nothing like a slab of nice raw tuna :)
[18:09:00] Tommck: the only raw tuna I want is between legs
[18:09:00] Beirdo: other than maybe raw salmon :)
[18:09:00] Beirdo: Tommck: gah! behave
[18:09:00] feoh: Mmm raw salmon :)
[18:09:00] Tommck: oops... didn't realize that I said/typed that out loud :)
[18:10:00] ** feoh gropes mailing lists for alsactl implosions on FC3 **
[18:10:00] Beirdo: feoh: I don't use ALSA, so I can't really help you tweak your mixer properly
[18:10:00] feoh: Beirdo, Does it work with OSS?
[18:10:00] Beirdo: it does for me
[18:10:00] feoh: The HOWTO claims sync problems and performance issues etc
[18:10:00] Beirdo: FC1
[18:10:00] Beirdo: :)
[18:10:00] feoh: cool
[18:11:00] Beirdo: bah, try it and see
[18:11:00] feoh: Ah
[18:11:00] feoh: I'll have to disable ALSA
[18:11:00] feoh: worth a shot I guess
[18:11:00] Beirdo: if ALSA won't work right, OSS is worth a shot
[18:11:00] Beirdo: I never liked ALSA for my uses anyways :)
[18:12:00] feoh: I'm just all moping 'cause tonight is the premiere of BSG and SG1:Atlantis :)
[18:12:00] feoh: which was why I built the Myth box to begin with.
[18:12:00] feoh: heh, OK thanks.
[18:12:00] feoh: I'm gonna try and debug Alsa first before I rip it out by the roots
[18:12:00] Beirdo: well, you still have tinkering time
[18:13:00] feoh: Yup :)
[18:13:00] Tommck: feoh... if you need to record it, you could always do it manually by recording directly from the card (outside of Myth)
[18:13:00] feoh: Huh, never thought of that, thanks.
[18:13:00] feoh: Which Linux utils would I use for that?
[18:13:00] Tommck: feoh – what card?
[18:13:00] Beirdo: if you have a PVR-250, etc... you can just record it anyways
[18:13:00] Beirdo: ALSA's only for playback there
[18:14:00] feoh: Pinnacle, BTTV based
[18:14:00] Beirdo: ah
[18:14:00] Beirdo: joy
[18:14:00] Tommck: blech!
[18:14:00] feoh: What tuners do people recommend?
[18:14:00] Tommck: Hauppauge PVR?50s
[18:14:00] feoh: I was hoping for MPEG4 vs MPEG2 for image quality reasons
[18:14:00] Beirdo: PVR-250 or 150
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[18:14:00] feoh: ah
[18:14:00] feoh: OK
[18:14:00] feoh: so the MP4 thing just isn't happening, gotcha :)
[18:15:00] Beirdo: MPEG2 cards are quite good quality, but at slightly larger file size
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[18:15:00] Tommck: feoh – for quality/ am I wrong? I thought Mpeg-2 was better quality
[18:15:00] feoh: Huh
[18:15:00] feoh: interesting.
[18:15:00] Tommck: feoh – I just thought that mpeg-4 got better quality when it was more compressed
[18:15:00] Beirdo: Tommck: quality at a particular size will be better with MPEG4, theoretically
[18:15:00] Beirdo: but MPEG2 is real good quality... look at DVDs
[18:15:00] Beirdo: or HDTV, or DVB
[18:15:00] Tommck: Beirdo – yeah... but can't you crank the quality all the way up and get the best of out of Mpeg-2?
[18:15:00] Beirdo: all use MPEG2
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[18:16:00] Tommck: Beirdo – eventually, DirecTV is switching to 4
[18:16:00] Beirdo: to a point, but the quality will only be as good as the source
[18:16:00] Tommck: Beirdo – yeah.... good point
[18:16:00] Beirdo: Tommck: yeah, whatever, then they have to replace every subscriber unit they have
[18:16:00] feoh: OK thanks guys I'll swap in the Hauppage card I have.
[18:16:00] Tommck: Beirdo – yeah... crazy
[18:17:00] Tommck: feoh – you have one?
[18:17:00] feoh: I do.
[18:17:00] Beirdo: feoh: will give you better quality :)
[18:17:00] Tommck: what the heck are you using the BTTV card for then?
[18:17:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[18:17:00] feoh: Because I was told that MP4 in software was the way to go *shrug* :)
[18:17:00] feoh: Thanks, I'll switch tuners.
[18:17:00] Beirdo: :)
[18:17:00] CyberKnet: feoh: It sure is the way to go
[18:17:00] Beirdo: Good luck dude
[18:17:00] CyberKnet: feoh: You really don't want that hauppauge card.
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[18:17:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: you leave him alone... he's not giving it to you
[18:18:00] Beirdo: heheh
[18:18:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: he might!
[18:18:00] ** Tommck waiting for CyberKnet to ask for it **
[18:18:00] Tommck: hehe
[18:18:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: I would never ask for donations! =)
[18:18:00] feoh: CyberKnet, At this point anything that records with sound would be a win :\ I've been bashing my head against the current setup for two days with zero success.
[18:18:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: I would pay a little bit =P"
[18:18:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – hehe
[18:18:00] Beirdo: with the emphasis on "little"
[18:18:00] Beirdo: cheapskate :)
[18:18:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:18:00] CyberKnet: feoh: the PVr-[x]50 cards are top notch =)
[18:18:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: leave my cheapskate tendancies out of this!
[18:18:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: Now what is the cheapest way to do x10? =P"
[18:19:00] Beirdo: steal it
[18:19:00] feoh: heh
[18:19:00] CyberKnet: cheapest legal way then
[18:19:00] CyberKnet: =)
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[18:19:00] Beirdo: oooh
[18:19:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – how much do you want to do ?
[18:19:00] Beirdo: that's different
[18:19:00] Beirdo: I dunno
[18:19:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: not too much. Not even two way.
[18:19:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: just turning on & off lights, maybe cycling power to some machines.
[18:19:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet's trying to go both ways?
[18:19:00] CyberKnet: that sort of thing.
[18:19:00] ** Beirdo shudders **
[18:19:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: No sir. I only want to go one way.
[18:19:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:20:00] Beirdo: anyways, I should go get lunc
[18:20:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – they usually have cheap "starter" kit type stuff
[18:20:00] xris: hmm, thewhatshisname isn't here....
[18:20:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: Yeah, the ck18a, firecracker
[18:20:00] CyberKnet: bottlerocket supports it.
[18:20:00] Tommck: bottlerocket?
[18:21:00] CyberKnet: Yeah.
[18:21:00] CyberKnet: software to control x10
[18:21:00] CyberKnet: for linux
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[18:21:00] Tommck: ahh.. ok
[18:21:00] CyberKnet: Tommck: what software do you use? MisterHouse?
[18:21:00] Tommck: I actually don't use any right now
[18:22:00] Tommck: I just use a remote
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[18:23:00] CyberKnet: I'd like to program things to come on at certain times. like air conditioners, lights, have the ability to power cycle things like my router, some computers.
[18:23:00] CyberKnet: and manage it all through my linux box.
[18:23:00] Tommck: CyberKnet – ahh..
[18:27:00] cortezdapimp: well so i think i'm going to give up on this firewire enclosure then :( anyone have a recommendation for one that doesn't crap out after a couple hours of idle?
[18:27:00] cortezdapimp: or if i have a cron job run every 5 minutes to touch a file on it maybe it won't... hmm i'll have to try that
[18:28:00] Discipulus: CyberKnet, ah, gettin into HA huh?
[18:29:00] CyberKnet: Discipulus: I would like to
[18:29:00] CyberKnet: Still looking for the computer interface & transceiver for a price I am willing to pay
[18:29:00] Discipulus: Personally, I don't suggest X10
[18:30:00] CyberKnet: Discipulus: for the reason of?
[18:30:00] Discipulus: Any of you have a good home sound system recommendation? I want a full house sound system, not just a surround sound system for a room...
[18:30:00] Discipulus: CyberKnet, it's old and outdated, the protocol is rusty as hell and needs to be updated
[18:30:00] Discipulus: CyberKnet, unfortunately there isn't much else available
[18:31:00] CyberKnet: Discipulus: yeah, that's what I was going to point out
[18:31:00] Discipulus: Personally I'd just put an IR in everything I use and install an IR blaster on the computer
[18:31:00] Discipulus: *shrug*
[18:31:00] CyberKnet: hah
[18:31:00] Discipulus: they have power outlets and power switches that have IR in them now
[18:31:00] Discipulus: not sure if they come with a remote or not
[18:31:00] Discipulus: but that's what I'd do
[18:31:00] cortezdapimp: you have a completely line-of-sight house then?
[18:31:00] cortezdapimp: or would you put mirrors all over the place
[18:31:00] CyberKnet: cortezdapimp: house of mirrors, apparently =)
[18:31:00] cortezdapimp: lol
[18:31:00] Discipulus: cortezdapimp, put a repeater in a few places
[18:32:00] cortezdapimp: you live in a funhouse, dont you
[18:32:00] CyberKnet: either that, or a lot of fiber optic and transceivers on both ends.
[18:32:00] Discipulus: CyberKnet, you could use a repeater
[18:32:00] Discipulus: *shrug*
[18:32:00] Discipulus: just my thoughts
[18:32:00] CyberKnet: Discipulus: And I do appreciate them. Just making some light fun =)
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[18:32:00] Discipulus: :-P
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[18:37:00] Discipulus: so any ideas on a full-house stereo system?
[18:37:00] Discipulus: heh, long wires?
[18:37:00] CyberKnet: Discipulus: that's my best guess.
[18:39:00] Discipulus: hmm, that's not good though
[18:39:00] Discipulus: I'd need like 2000 ft of stereo wire...
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[18:39:00] xris: Discipulus: squeezebox
[18:40:00] Discipulus: squeezebox? Got a link?
[18:40:00] xris: slimdevices.com
[18:41:00] xris: open source server, works with itunes, and can basically multicast simultaneous audio streams to as many devices as you have.
[18:41:00] Discipulus: I found it
[18:41:00] Discipulus: sweet
[18:41:00] xris: a bit pricy, though.
[18:41:00] Discipulus: worth it imo
[18:41:00] Discipulus: I want a house that is going to amaze people when they come over
[18:41:00] xris: personally, I'd just get some in-ceiling speakers and a receiver with a lot of outputs.
[18:41:00] Discipulus: not just be like "Cool, you get a sweet set-up"
[18:42:00] Discipulus: but be like "HOLY SHIT! How'd you do all that?!?!"
[18:42:00] xris: then you'll likely want to head to smarthome.com and spend lots of $$$
[18:42:00] Igg-man: Anyone know how I could use the s-video port on my laptop?
[18:42:00] Igg-man: It doesn't seem to have any output
[18:43:00] xris: Igg-man: you have the driver configured properly?
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[18:45:00] Discipulus: xris, I plan on it
[18:45:00] Discipulus: xris, no DIY plans that are cheaper?
[18:46:00] xris: Discipulus: huh?
[18:46:00] xris: diy compared to what? smarthome is full of diy stuff
[18:46:00] xris: or are you talking about the squeezebox?
[18:46:00] Discipulus: both :-P
[18:46:00] xris: no clue.
[18:46:00] xris: might be able to find some of the original slimp3 devices on ebay...
[18:47:00] Discipulus: my goal is to reach complete home automation and amaze all my friends with a badass sound system that can be heard throughout the house
[18:47:00] Discipulus: a kickass home theater system
[18:47:00] xris: Discipulus: then you really should wire up in-ceiling speakers.
[18:47:00] Discipulus: I'm not going big screen TV, I'm going BIG SCREEN
[18:47:00] Discipulus: xris, I'm gonna have an apartment so I don't think the neighbors would like that too much
[18:47:00] xris: oh...
[18:48:00] Discipulus: xris, and I'm not sure how the landlord would react
[18:48:00] xris: well, apartment isn't "whole house".. heh... that's like 3 rooms.
[18:48:00] Discipulus: Big screen as in projector + screen
[18:48:00] Discipulus: heh, true
[18:48:00] Discipulus: but still, I want people to be amazed by my place
[18:48:00] Igg-man: xris: I don't know
[18:49:00] Discipulus: gonna be party central when I move out !!!
[18:49:00] Igg-man: xris: it seems to work fine using the built in display
[18:49:00] CyberKnet: I want a home theatre. I'm just too damn cheap to buy a house with a spare room, and buy the gear required to have a good setup.
[18:49:00] Discipulus: CyberKnet, heh
[18:49:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:49:00] Discipulus: CyberKnet, just use your living room, that's what I'm gonna do
[18:49:00] xris: Igg-man: exactly.. so find the driver option to turn on the svideo port.
[18:49:00] Discipulus: I'm gonna watch live TV on my screen
[18:50:00] CyberKnet: Living room isn't conducive to a home theatre due to the layout of certain immovable objects within the room
[18:50:00] Igg-man: Okay
[18:50:00] Igg-man: checking...
[18:50:00] Discipulus: xris, but reason I said "whole house" is because I plan on doing it to my house before I move out and taking it all with me
[18:50:00] CyberKnet: such as (but not limited to) windows, doors, air conditioner, etc.
[18:50:00] xris: CyberKnet: same here: bookshelves.
[18:50:00] Discipulus: CyberKnet, like the couch?
[18:50:00] CyberKnet: couch is movable.
[18:50:00] Beirdo: like CyberKnet's buitt
[18:50:00] Discipulus: CyberKnet, oh, heh, well you can design it around that
[18:50:00] CyberKnet: but can't stick the couch in front of the air conditioner, etc
[18:50:00] Discipulus: and that's what I plan on
[18:50:00] xris: Discipulus: no clue. most of those systems are usually built into the house wiring so you can control lights, etc.
[18:51:00] Beirdo: mmmmm
[18:51:00] Beirdo: falafel
[18:51:00] xris: and you don't want to have to set up big speakers in every room.
[18:51:00] Discipulus: true, very true
[18:51:00] CyberKnet: xris: that's where x10 is good. Yo ucan control lights via the power lines.
[18:51:00] Discipulus: so how would you do it?
[18:51:00] xris: but the no-wire version is to get a wireless squeezebox and some self-powered speakers.
[18:51:00] Discipulus: CyberKnet, there are other, still immature, power line control
[18:51:00] xris: Discipulus: like I said, I'd wire it into the house.
[18:52:00] Discipulus: xris, I don't know that much about wiring!
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[18:52:00] xris: CyberKnet: yes, x10 is nice for that. But you still have to wire in the wall switches, etc.
[18:52:00] Discipulus: xris, besides, I'll be moving out!
[18:52:00] Discipulus: xris, tis my moms house, not mien
[18:52:00] Discipulus: mine*
[18:52:00] Discipulus: I'll be moving out either next year or year after next
[18:52:00] xris: Discipulus: like CyberKnet said, use x10 for electrical control... plenty of open source controllers for their stuff.
[18:52:00] t0t3r: can anyone send me the audio firmware of the PVR150 ?
[18:53:00] Discipulus: Yea, but it's slow
[18:53:00] CyberKnet: xris: No, you can get wireless x10 remotes that look like wall switches that just stick onto the wall. it's really neat.
[18:53:00] Discipulus: :'(
[18:53:00] xris: t0t3r: atrpms.net
[18:53:00] t0t3r: ?
[18:53:00] xris: CyberKnet: yes. except that they look crappy (then again, so do the built-in switches).. and then you still need to mess with the wiring in the lights themselves (talking about built-in lights)
[18:54:00] CyberKnet: Oh, do they? I had no idea.
[18:54:00] t0t3r: atrpms theres only the video enc firmware
[18:54:00] CyberKnet: And yes, you would of course need to wire in the lights themselves.
[18:54:00] t0t3r: i need the audio firmware for the PVR150
[18:55:00] Beirdo: ARGH
[18:55:00] Beirdo: some arse just turned the lights on
[18:57:00] ** jams hates that **
[18:57:00] cortezdapimp: what an arse
[18:57:00] cortezdapimp: whats wrong with the lights on?
[18:57:00] cortezdapimp: they're good for your eyes
[18:58:00] xris: t0t3r: atrpms.net
[18:58:00] Beirdo: 1) power conservation
[18:58:00] Beirdo: 2) they are NOT good for your eyes, flourescent lighting's very BAD for your eyes
[18:58:00] Beirdo: 3) it's plently bright with natural sunlight from the windows
[18:58:00] cortezdapimp: oh i don't have flourescent lighting
[18:59:00] xris: t0t3r: http://atrpms.net/dist/common/ivtv-firmware/
[18:59:00] Beirdo: I do... I'm at work after all
[18:59:00] cortezdapimp: i was picturing you in a darkened room with all the shades drawn
[18:59:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:59:00] Beirdo: no
[18:59:00] Beirdo: even at home, I get plenty of natural light
[18:59:00] cortezdapimp: me too. my back wall is glass
[19:00:00] cortezdapimp: we live in a forest though, so its not a big deal to walk around naked.
[19:00:00] Beirdo: I use one halogen light at home
[19:00:00] Beirdo: that's all
[19:00:00] cortezdapimp: you must have some blinkenlights around
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[19:00:00] Beirdo: they don't make much light
[19:00:00] Beirdo: all the blue LEDs get destroyed or disconnected with great prejudice
[19:01:00] cortezdapimp: ugh mine do i have to cover them up to sleep
[19:01:00] cortezdapimp: lol
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[19:01:00] Beirdo: the only ones not disabled are on my cordless phone, which charges right beside the bed
[19:01:00] CyberKnet: das blinkenlights ist nicht fur der ...
[19:01:00] CyberKnet: =)
[19:01:00] Beirdo: it makes me listen to my frigging voicemail
[19:02:00] Beirdo: stop blinking that blue LED!
[19:02:00] Beirdo: I pity the poor suckers in Jamaica
[19:02:00] Beirdo: looks like Emily's gonna kick their butts too
[19:03:00] Beirdo: better go pick what's left of the ganja crop quickly
[19:05:00] ** Beirdo considers getting a ticket for the Def Leppard / Tea Party concert in a month **
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[19:09:00] xris: gotta say, slimserver is pretty cool
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[19:10:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: icksnay on the endingspay oremay oneymay
[19:10:00] CyberKnet: capiche?
[19:10:00] Beirdo: muh?
[19:10:00] CyberKnet: eh?
[19:10:00] ** Beirdo slaps CyberKnet **
[19:10:00] Beirdo: pig
[19:11:00] CyberKnet: suckass
[19:11:00] Beirdo: I said I was CONSIDERING
[19:11:00] Beirdo: not running out to do so
[19:11:00] Beirdo: beotch
[19:11:00] CyberKnet: and I am just DECIDING for you.
[19:11:00] CyberKnet: snazmitch
[19:12:00] CyberKnet: that's an original quotable quote, btw. snazmitch.
[19:12:00] Exstatica: my cable box has a composite video/sound out on it... can i use a regular capture card to capture the signal and display it using live tv
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[19:16:00] Beirdo: ahhh, lights back off
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[19:27:00] xris: MORE firewall troubles....
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[19:35:00] sphing: xris... iptables?
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[19:37:00] xris: sphing: so far beyond that.
[19:37:00] xris: firewall here has 5 interfaces on it, connects to dsl and cable for internet.
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[19:45:00] xris: and stupid dhclient script keeps overwriting resolv.conf
[19:45:00] sphing: lol
[19:45:00] xris: no way via cli to disable it. have to manually edit the dhclient script
[19:46:00] sphing: custom script?
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[19:58:00] xris: sphing: chmod 444 /etc/resolv.conf  ;)
[19:58:00] xris: and comment out the make_resolv_conf call in dhclient-script
[19:59:00] xris: as for the firewall, it's shorewall.. with a lot of zones (dsl, cable, office, wireless, buildroom floor/testing)
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[20:01:00] xris: man, who needs mythmusic from mythweb. just set up slimserver.
[20:04:00] laga: does it work with mythmusic? ;)
[20:04:00] xris: should. it's just an mp3 stream
[20:04:00] xris: well, mythstream, maybe.
[20:04:00] xris: mythmusic needs to be fixed, anyway.. interface sucks, and it's slow (granted, I haven't seen the latest changes)
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[20:07:00] sphing: lol @ xris
[20:07:00] sphing: quick dirty fix
[20:09:00] xris: sphing: seems to be the best way
[20:14:00] xris: feeling so unproductive today.
[20:14:00] xris: I hate dealing with inventory.
[20:14:00] xris: too many checks and balances to code in.
[20:20:00] hadees: xris, switch over to rfid
[20:20:00] xris: hadees: how is that supposed to help movement of inventory around the building?
[20:21:00] xris: (like when support needs to request a new part to replace a broken one from a customer)
[20:21:00] hadees: i guess it doesn't help the moving part, but it would keep track of it
[20:21:00] xris: besides, we haven't even graduated to barcodes yet.
[20:22:00] hadees: huh
[20:22:00] hadees: man i want my rfid kitchen
[20:22:00] xris: heh
[20:23:00] hadees: mythrecipie developer take a note
[20:23:00] ** xris wonders what genes you'd have to change to grow an rfid tomato **
[20:23:00] hadees: xris, um how about just a sticker
[20:23:00] xris: at $0.99–1.50/lb tomatoes are already too expensive.
[20:23:00] xris: besides, doesn't help the ones I grow in my yard. heh.
[20:24:00] hadees: reusable sticker
[20:24:00] xris: that might be ok
[20:24:00] xris: but then you're busy scanning/reprogramming every time you restock your fridge.
[20:24:00] xris: too much work
[20:24:00] hadees: xris, http://www.zebra.com/id/zebra/na/en/index/pro . . . rs/rfid.html
[20:24:00] xris: yeah. no linux drivers, though.
[20:24:00] hadees: just get a barcode reader
[20:25:00] xris: hadees: yeah, barcode readers is planned. just too many other things to deal with first.
[20:25:00] hadees: then it prints out a rfid label
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[20:25:00] xris: man, my grammar sucks today.
[20:25:00] hadees: xris, its the internet screwing with English...
[20:26:00] hadees: or rather the Evolution of english
[20:26:00] hadees: take your pick
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[20:26:00] hadees: but really, the rfid kitchen should be out by now, i mean it is so simple
[20:27:00] xris: hadees: actually, probably just lack of sleep
[20:27:00] hadees: and i hate writting grocery lists
[20:27:00] xris: hadees: my wife handles those. esp. now that she does the shopping for work (she's a cook), she just shops for them and us at the same time
[20:28:00] hadees: xris, are you the one working on that other recipe thing?
[20:28:00] xris: yes
[20:28:00] xris: slowly
[20:28:00] hadees: *cough* rfid *cough*
[20:28:00] hadees: xris, you get in contact with mythrecipe dev?
[20:28:00] hadees: i saw your mailing list post
[20:28:00] xris: nope
[20:29:00] hadees: you know his website?
[20:29:00] xris: haven't looked, shouldn't be hard to find
[20:29:00] hadees: xris, http://mythextra.napsi.net/mythRecipe.html
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[20:31:00] hadees: xris, just a suggestion, you don't have to add like rfid or bar code scanning in but you should at least plan some sort of input that could be expanded to those
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[20:31:00] hadees: stubs
[20:31:00] hadees: or whatever
[20:31:00] xris: heh
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[20:31:00] xris: haven't even gotten that far yet.
[20:32:00] hadees: i know what you mean, i have been lagging on my vis plugin for mythmusic
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[20:32:00] xris: don't think the mythrecipe types like my plaintext format, though.
[20:32:00] hadees: xris, why?
[20:32:00] hadees: how about xml
[20:33:00] hadees: xris, http://www.formatdata.com/recipeml/
[20:33:00] xris: hadees: because I have yet to figure out how xml can handle all of the possible ways that people enter recipes
[20:34:00] hadees: xris, what does mythrecipe use then?
[20:35:00] hadees: that is so diffrent from your format?
[20:35:00] hadees: i don't really know anyone who uses mythrecipe
[20:35:00] xris: http://cooktools.forevermore.net/test
[20:35:00] xris: all I have at the moment is proof of concept
[20:35:00] xris: been working on other parts of the program first.
[20:36:00] xris: but it's all plain text. can pretty much use any format you want, combined with a little wiki
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[20:36:00] hadees: xris, that looks pretty simple to convert to xml
[20:36:00] xris: small parser error with (foo) text extras, but will fix that at some point.
[20:36:00] xris: hadees: sort of.
[20:37:00] xris: would be <ingredient>full text of ingredient line</ingredient>
[20:37:00] hadees: xris, it would be neat if like in when it says chop or whatever, chop is a link to instruction on basic choping
[20:37:00] xris: hadees: that's the plan
[20:37:00] xris: ingredient names will link only if the database recognizes the ingredient.
[20:37:00] hadees: xris, see if you link up with mythrecipe you could also link to cooking shows
[20:38:00] xris: could
[20:38:00] xris: I plan to link isbn's to amazon, too
[20:38:00] hadees: foodtv recipes
[20:38:00] xris: anyway, so far I've got it working so you can copy and paste just about anything in...
[20:39:00] hadees: xris, how about an xul interface?
[20:39:00] xris: the problem with the mythrecipe stuff is you can't have a measurement like "1 cup plus 1 tbsp" (used in a lot of bread machine recipes)
[20:39:00] hadees: then i think mythbrowser could display it
[20:39:00] hadees: and the web could also
[20:39:00] xris: haven't gotten that far
[20:39:00] xris: still working on the auth stuff at the moment.
[20:39:00] xris: then wiki page creation.
[20:39:00] hadees: xris, well if you want to do xul, i am pretty good at that
[20:40:00] xris: I don't know anything about xul, so maybe.
[20:40:00] hadees: xris, its the ui behind mozilla
[20:40:00] xris: yeah, I know that
[20:40:00] hadees: its like html for UI
[20:41:00] hadees: so you can load it on any browser that supports xul or use it to extend mozilla apps
[20:41:00] hadees: load it remotly
[20:42:00] hadees: if you need any help scraping html pages for recipes i am also pretty good at that
[20:42:00] hadees: especially using xquery
[20:42:00] hadees: i love xquery
[20:43:00] xris: yeah, don't really know if I even care to do that.. just wanted to track my own, don't want to overload it with stuff I'd never use.
[20:44:00] hadees: but wouldn't it be neat if you recorded a cooking show and it imported the recipe
[20:47:00] hadees: xris, you should try to get lxrsuite to pay you to work on mythrecipe
[20:54:00] xris: heh
[21:01:00] ** xris thinks you mean lxmsuite **
[21:01:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:01:00] Beirdo: my back is being a bitch today
[21:02:00] Beirdo: it went and cracked on me for no good reason
[21:02:00] ** slePP gives beirdo a cookie **
[21:02:00] Beirdo: heya, slePP...
[21:02:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx may have someone who wants an ATA
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[21:02:00] slePP: okie.. we're almost out of 'em atm
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: Yeah, a buddy of mine that moved to Fort McMurray is looking for either a phone or an ATA
[21:03:00] slePP: fort mac?
[21:03:00] slePP: nice.
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[21:03:00] ** slePP 's gf might apply for a job up there. **
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[21:04:00] slePP: is he looking for a local fort mac number? or another area?
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: He just moved there and is looking to setup something so that he can call back to home cheaply :) We're gonna hook him up with an account on a asterisk box we have here
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: We've got a box here connected to a few local lines, so we can call those of us with voip phones or local #'s
[21:05:00] slePP: where's 'local'?
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: Halifax
[21:05:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:05:00] ** slePP nods. **
[21:05:00] Beirdo: slePP: look for Puerto Rico DIDs lately? :)
[21:05:00] slePP: nope :>
[21:05:00] hadees: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050 . . . b13iptv.html
[21:06:00] slePP: unless Bogota is in PR
[21:06:00] Beirdo: no
[21:06:00] Beirdo: that's not
[21:06:00] Beirdo: that's Colombia
[21:07:00] slePP: okay :>
[21:07:00] ** slePP was never into geography **
[21:07:00] Beirdo: 787 or 939 area codes :)
[21:07:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:07:00] slePP: so long as 'i'm here' and 'you're there', all is well
[21:07:00] Beirdo: so far I've found nada.
[21:08:00] Qwell: slePP: y0
[21:08:00] ** slePP waves at qwell **
[21:08:00] Qwell: Were you serious about that v6 tunnel before?
[21:08:00] slePP: yes
[21:08:00] slePP: i can get you into an EINTAP, or i can be your peer and assign you a /64
[21:08:00] Qwell: I'm still interested...freenet6 has been sucking
[21:08:00] slePP: BGP or no BGP, your choice
[21:09:00] Qwell: I don't know what either of those acronyms are...
[21:09:00] slePP: :>
[21:09:00] slePP: k then
[21:09:00] slePP: so i can give you what fnet6 does, with a /64 prefix, just without a fancy daemont o make it 'go'
[21:10:00] Qwell: slePP: mind a PM?
[21:10:00] slePP: do i need it?
[21:10:00] slePP: :>
[21:10:00] slePP: but sure
[21:11:00] Beirdo: we already have a PM we can do without
[21:11:00] Beirdo: of course, non-Canadians likely wouldn't get that immediately
[21:11:00] Qwell: Beirdo: wanna trade?
[21:11:00] ** slePP grins **
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[21:12:00] Beirdo: Qwell: only if you deliver him from the barrel of a cannon fired from Washington
[21:12:00] Randall64: So much sci-fi
[21:12:00] Qwell: Beirdo: ok, but I expect the same
[21:12:00] Beirdo: you got it
[21:12:00] ** Randall64 eyes dead mythbox **
[21:12:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:12:00] Qwell: but not from Washington...
[21:12:00] Beirdo: we might have to borrow the cannon to fire it from Ottawa though
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[21:17:00] slePP: y'know, the patch is kinda weird
[21:17:00] ** slePP still wants to smoke like a hotdamn **
[21:17:00] hadees: smoke what
[21:17:00] Discipulus: lol
[21:17:00] Discipulus: weed?
[21:17:00] hadees: mythhydroponics
[21:18:00] slePP: hehe
[21:18:00] slePP: just cigarettes :>
[21:18:00] hadees: they kill you
[21:18:00] hadees: not like weed
[21:19:00] Beirdo: if slePP were in BC, it might be a weed patch...
[21:19:00] Beirdo: everything kills you
[21:19:00] Beirdo: meh
[21:19:00] hadees: although acording to tv you are more likely to shoot someone in the head with your Dad's loaded hand gun which isn't locked up or anything
[21:19:00] Beirdo: hadees: you are such a troll
[21:19:00] xris: both kill you. it's the smoke, not the drug.
[21:19:00] xris: brownies..  :)
[21:20:00] hadees: xris, butter
[21:20:00] ** Beirdo refuses to feed the troll **
[21:20:00] xris: lol
[21:20:00] Beirdo: mmmmm. butter
[21:20:00] xris: butter is good.
[21:20:00] Beirdo: bacon-wrapped butter...
[21:20:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:20:00] Beirdo: Homer rules
[21:21:00] Beirdo: and xris... unsalted cultured butter rules
[21:21:00] xris: Beirdo: why yes, yes it does...
[21:21:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:21:00] xris: it's more buttery.
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[21:21:00] Beirdo: and yummy
[21:22:00] Beirdo: screw salt :)
[21:22:00] xris: salted is fine, to.. just not for cooking with
[21:22:00] Beirdo: depends
[21:22:00] xris: my wife got some a few months back that had fleur de sel in it.. good stuff.
[21:22:00] Beirdo: some things need the salt
[21:22:00] hadees: you should use unsalted because then you can control the salt
[21:22:00] Beirdo: now that is true
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[21:22:00] xris: Beirdo: what hadees said
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[21:22:00] Beirdo: yup
[21:22:00] xris: you use unsalted in baking because you add the salt on your own.
[21:23:00] xris: salted for eating, unsalted for cooking.
[21:23:00] Beirdo: and I use unsalted cultured on rolls, etc.
[21:23:00] xris: cultured all arround.
[21:23:00] Beirdo: because it's so much better
[21:23:00] Beirdo: and I really don't crave salt like some people
[21:23:00] xris: and AOC if you can afford it.
[21:23:00] Beirdo: just buy a cow
[21:23:00] xris: well, a little salt helps enhance the flavor of the butter.
[21:23:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:23:00] Beirdo: a "little" is the problem
[21:23:00] Qwell: I suger my butter
[21:24:00] Beirdo: it's either none or tonnes
[21:24:00] Qwell: sugar*
[21:24:00] xris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation_d%27 . . . 3%B4l%C3%A9e
[21:24:00] Beirdo: nice accented URL :P)
[21:24:00] xris: heh
[21:24:00] xris: don't blame me, I just searched for AOC and clicked the one I wanted.
[21:25:00] Beirdo: hehe, yeah
[21:25:00] xris: anyway... for butter, it means "best of the best"
[21:25:00] slePP: anyone else need IPv6 while i'm setting it up?
[21:25:00] xris: to the french, anyway.
[21:25:00] Beirdo: slePP: not at this point, maybe later :)
[21:25:00] Beirdo: I know where to find you
[21:25:00] slePP: hehe
[21:25:00] slePP: how's the phones?
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[21:26:00] hadees: anyone here make their own coax cables?
[21:26:00] Beirdo: it's all working well
[21:27:00] ** Beirdo is averaging 4.5h+/day on the phone **
[21:28:00] hadees: Beirdo, you talk alot
[21:28:00] Beirdo: yup
[21:28:00] Beirdo: and I listen a lot too
[21:28:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:28:00] hadees: Beirdo, is that all personal calls?
[21:28:00] slePP: really?
[21:28:00] slePP: neat.
[21:28:00] ** slePP tries to remember which server beirdo attaches to **
[21:28:00] Beirdo: yes
[21:29:00] Beirdo: all personal
[21:29:00] Beirdo: and almost all through nufone
[21:29:00] ** slePP 's phone bill last month was about $380 **
[21:29:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:29:00] ** slePP wonders why beirdo uses nufone ;> **
[21:29:00] Qwell: My phone bill last month was < $1
[21:29:00] Beirdo: if this weren't VoIP, it woulda been a LOT more
[21:29:00] Qwell: my bill would have been about $30 if it were Verizon
[21:29:00] Beirdo: slePP: $7.50US/month + $0/min DID in MI
[21:29:00] Qwell: so, 30x as much
[21:29:00] ** slePP doesn't have to pay his phone bill, of course.. that was the costs of service for myself :> **
[21:29:00] slePP: beavis: ah yes
[21:30:00] slePP: uhm
[21:30:00] slePP: Beirdo: heh. proper name..
[21:30:00] Beirdo: and many many many of the calls were inbound.
[21:30:00] Beirdo: so cost me squat
[21:30:00] slePP: yeh
[21:30:00] slePP: which is good :>
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[21:30:00] slePP: k.. i think i need to go into the office now
[21:30:00] Beirdo: and cost her company a little, but she's on call, and it was a US call :)
[21:30:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:31:00] slePP: just pure voip it :>
[21:31:00] slePP: get a WiSIP
[21:31:00] slePP: and pretend it's a cell phone
[21:31:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:31:00] Beirdo: I'm going down there in just over a month
[21:31:00] Beirdo: and leaving an IAXy with her
[21:32:00] Beirdo: it's currently being shipped here from Calgary (ebay acquisition)
[21:32:00] hadees: anyone here going to defcon?
[21:32:00] Beirdo: not me
[21:33:00] Beirdo: slePP: you should see the cellphone bills too :)
[21:33:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[21:34:00] ** Beirdo just about choked on his coffee yesterday when checking the CDR summary for this month so far **
[21:34:00] slePP: heh
[21:34:00] slePP: my favourite bill we send out about mponthly averages 854 pages
[21:34:00] Beirdo: jeez
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[21:34:00] slePP: our bill to them is longer than the bills from our carriers
[21:34:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:34:00] slePP: and ours gets shipped in a 8.5x11x6" box
[21:35:00] Beirdo: I think mine so far is like $0.08
[21:35:00] Beirdo: heh
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[21:35:00] Beirdo: too bad US50/CA toll free don't work in Puerto Rico :)
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[21:35:00] Beirdo: that reminds me.
[21:35:00] Beirdo: need to give dad that number.
[21:35:00] Beirdo: oops
[21:36:00] ** Beirdo slaps himself **
[21:36:00] xris: Beirdo: skype?
[21:36:00] Beirdo: no
[21:36:00] mchou: sigh. I just dont understand. I thought a64 is supposed to be cooler temp wise than athlonXP.
[21:36:00] ** xris pokes kormoc|afk to make sure he's still alive. **
[21:36:00] Beirdo: toll-free
[21:36:00] Beirdo: mchou: mine is. WAY cooler
[21:36:00] xris: mchou: it is
[21:36:00] xris: (supposed to be)
[21:36:00] Beirdo: like just above room temperature cool
[21:37:00] mchou: I have the same temps on my a64 as XP.
[21:37:00] Beirdo: 1C above room
[21:37:00] slePP: Beirdo: is peurto rico NANPA?
[21:37:00] Beirdo: yes. 1–787 or 1–939
[21:37:00] slePP: mine is 50.4degC athlonXP
[21:37:00] ** slePP hmms **
[21:37:00] Beirdo: not sure past that
[21:37:00] slePP: i can check into it
[21:37:00] slePP: if the CC is 1, it's nanpa
[21:37:00] mchou: slePP: mine is 48C
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[21:37:00] xris: slePP: my athlon mp's run 50–60
[21:37:00] Beirdo: yeah, that's what I thought too
[21:37:00] slePP: xris: yeh, mine's an XP -> MP mod
[21:37:00] xris: need to get rid of that system
[21:37:00] slePP: but i'm running single chip atm, as the one modded chip.. well,died
[21:37:00] xris: mine are true mp's. heh.
[21:38:00] slePP: so they're 5degC cooler
[21:38:00] mchou: 50–60 is a bit hot for my tastes.
[21:38:00] slePP: i've had problems above 65
[21:38:00] Beirdo: my PVR runs 50–60C
[21:38:00] xris: mchou: yes. but not for athlons.
[21:38:00] Beirdo: it's a Sempron 2800
[21:38:00] slePP: Beirdo: here i was thinking 'you put a temp sensor on the PVR-350?'
[21:38:00] mchou: xris: my XP rarely hit over 50C
[21:38:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:38:00] ** slePP 's mythtv box is at 45 **
[21:38:00] Beirdo: no no no
[21:38:00] slePP: athlon 2200
[21:38:00] xris: mchou: good cooling, then
[21:38:00] xris: lunchtime
[21:38:00] Beirdo: PVR as in the functional unit, not the cards
[21:38:00] Beirdo: although that would be cool
[21:39:00] slePP: temp1: +32 C (high = +16 C, hyst = +0 C) ALARM
[21:39:00] slePP: temp2: +50.5 C (high = +95 C, hyst = +85 C) (beep)
[21:39:00] slePP: temp3: +37.5 C (high = +95 C, hyst = +85 C)
[21:39:00] slePP: i have an 8 port digital temp sensor attached atm
[21:39:00] slePP: but only 3 sensors
[21:39:00] slePP: it matches nearly dead on what the onboard sensors read
[21:39:00] slePP: temp3 == CPU2's socket, which is empty
[21:39:00] mchou: slePP: what do you think ambient temp in that room is?
[21:39:00] Beirdo: https://www2.beirdo.ca/cacti/graph.php?local_ . . . p;rra_id=all
[21:39:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:39:00] slePP: i could actually find out
[21:40:00] slePP: but it's about 28
[21:40:00] Beirdo: and room temp is around 20C
[21:40:00] ** slePP has a digital thermometer in ab ox somewhere. never unpacked it after i moved **
[21:40:00] jonK: I've been wondering about the heat from the pvr cards
[21:40:00] slePP: if i close the door, the CPU can easily hit 60degC in about an hour
[21:40:00] Beirdo: yeah, I could use a sensor card
[21:40:00] slePP: and the one sensor goes into alarm state
[21:40:00] mchou: slePP: you're CPU is about 2C warmer than mine
[21:40:00] slePP: this is an athlon 2100 "MP"
[21:41:00] slePP: on an asus a7m-266d
[21:41:00] slePP: they've always run bloody hot
[21:41:00] slePP: get two of them, and they can end up in like thermal avalanche
[21:41:00] mchou: hehe....
[21:41:00] slePP: or cascade, whatever you want to call it
[21:41:00] mchou: bah, a nuclear plant would be the better analogy :)
[21:41:00] slePP: Beirdo: i went to one of our suppliers, and walked around the backroom found. this thhis 8 port temp thing, and was like 'i'll give you $3 for it' 'make it $5, you havea deal'
[21:41:00] slePP: big sticker on it: $89
[21:42:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:42:00] ** slePP was pleased :> **
[21:42:00] Beirdo: nice
[21:42:00] Beirdo: and Linux supports it?
[21:42:00] slePP: SMB
[21:42:00] slePP: w/ front LCD as well
[21:42:00] mchou: slePP: got a link to this temp thingy?
[21:42:00] slePP: which is all i really use it for.
[21:42:00] slePP: mchou: i'll have to get the part number off the invoice
[21:42:00] slePP: it's pretty.. "generic"
[21:43:00] slePP: and it's older, which is why i only have 3 of the 8 probes attached :<
[21:43:00] slePP: the other 6 i haven't been able to find
[21:43:00] mchou: slePP: so is the thing SW controllable?
[21:43:00] slePP: no
[21:43:00] slePP: you do settings from the little LCD tingy, but you can read it via SMB
[21:43:00] mchou: bah. what good is it then :)
[21:43:00] slePP: not much :>
[21:43:00] slePP: but it looks neat
[21:43:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:43:00] slePP: and it's temp alarm actually goes off, unlike my onboard ones
[21:43:00] Beirdo: gha
[21:43:00] slePP: which has happened about 6 times int he last month
[21:44:00] Beirdo: I'd shoot it
[21:44:00] slePP: well, i had two CPUs in here
[21:44:00] Beirdo: my motherboard did that (brand new)
[21:44:00] slePP: temp sensor went off, bad news.. it meant 70degC
[21:44:00] Beirdo: it was bitching that the system fan was too slow
[21:44:00] Beirdo: at 1200RPM
[21:44:00] slePP: which the CPUs then just keep getting hotter.. hence why one is broken now
[21:44:00] Beirdo: which is what it was supposed to be at
[21:44:00] slePP: hehe
[21:44:00] mchou: I need oneof those fan controller thingys that's SW controllable.
[21:44:00] slePP: mchou: build one
[21:44:00] slePP: an I2C interface chip is about $1
[21:44:00] Beirdo: so I shut it off
[21:44:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:44:00] mchou: slePP: too much work.
[21:44:00] slePP: ah
[21:45:00] slePP: good point
[21:45:00] slePP: fan1: 5357 RPM (min = 337500 RPM, div = 2)
[21:45:00] slePP: fan2: 0 RPM (min = -1 RPM, div = 2) ALARM
[21:45:00] slePP: fan3: 2689 RPM (min = -1 RPM, div = 2)
[21:45:00] slePP: the onboard stuff of this board is wank
[21:45:00] slePP: 337k RPM
[21:45:00] mchou: lol.
[21:45:00] slePP: the AMD768 chipset was so very buggy
[21:45:00] slePP: i'm not going to miss it
[21:45:00] Beirdo: hehehe
[21:45:00] Beirdo: nice
[21:46:00] mchou: bah, I had high hopes for this a64. But it's not living up to expectations.
[21:46:00] ** slePP will be replacing it with dual opteron, methinks **
[21:46:00] ** slePP 's hands itch for the $28k insurance settlement **
[21:46:00] mchou: I want the damn thing COOL!
[21:46:00] mchou: huh?? What insurance settlement?
[21:46:00] slePP: mchou: i decided long ago, there is no way i can cool these duals without some liquid cooling with a condensor
[21:46:00] slePP: just not just radiated
[21:46:00] ** slePP was hit by a car 3 years ago **
[21:46:00] slePP: (i was also in a car)
[21:47:00] slePP: she was going 60km/h, i was stopped. hit my back end solid on
[21:47:00] ** slePP 's back is now screwed up **
[21:47:00] slePP: so i get a big ass lump
[21:47:00] mchou: shit, I'd ask for much more than $28K
[21:47:00] slePP: after 2 years, it settled down and everything looks okay on x-rays
[21:47:00] slePP: i have a 2% permanent body impairment
[21:47:00] mchou: bad back is for life, ya know.....
[21:47:00] slePP: which turns out to be worth about tha tmuch by precedent
[21:47:00] slePP: i know
[21:47:00] mchou: precedent???
[21:47:00] mchou: wtf.
[21:48:00] slePP: i haven't had to see a doctor in 6 months. it's basically i go in and get checked out, do some weird exercises, all is well
[21:48:00] slePP: past history, at 2% , $35k is about the most the other party will pay
[21:48:00] mchou: does precedent adjust for inflation?
[21:48:00] mchou: that's some screwed up shit.
[21:48:00] slePP: welcome to alberta? :>
[21:48:00] slePP: if it was a 'soft tissue' injury that entirely disappeared after 2 years
[21:49:00] slePP: i'd have been given $1500
[21:49:00] slePP: which doesn't even cover the medical expenses i had in the first 6 months
[21:49:00] mchou: that's complete BS.
[21:49:00] slePP: about $4k in the first few months
[21:49:00] slePP: but now it's at $27,500 + interest + fees + other miscellaneous
[21:49:00] slePP: which brings it to about 35k
[21:49:00] slePP: but the lawyers take a chunk
[21:49:00] slePP: :<
[21:49:00] mchou: it's sounds pretty screwed up.
[21:49:00] Beirdo: you must not be drunk enough, slePP.
[21:49:00] slePP: the lawyer is my best friends uncle, who i've known for 15 years. so that's a good thing
[21:50:00] Beirdo: you gotta be like yer premier
[21:50:00] slePP: heh
[21:50:00] slePP: RedNoseKlein
[21:50:00] Beirdo: "recovered"
[21:50:00] Beirdo: right.
[21:50:00] slePP: only during business meetings
[21:50:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:50:00] slePP: we finished off a case of beer at our general meeting yesterday
[21:50:00] slePP: between 7 of us
[21:50:00] slePP: so, it's not a lot.. but still :>
[21:50:00] Beirdo: you and Ralphie?
[21:50:00] slePP: heh. no
[21:50:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:50:00] slePP: i'll avoid ralphie all i can
[21:50:00] slePP: oh!
[21:50:00] slePP: wanna know something weird?
[21:50:00] mchou: slePP: why were you stopped?
[21:51:00] slePP: in the nicoderm documents, it says 'Side effects include ..... vivid dreams.'
[21:51:00] slePP: you know how cool some of those dreams were allllllllllll night long?
[21:51:00] mchou: and why was she driving 60?
[21:51:00] slePP: mchou: red light
[21:51:00] slePP: she was being stupid, slammed her brakes on about 50 feet away
[21:51:00] slePP: skidded into me
[21:51:00] slePP: posted limit on the road is 70
[21:51:00] mchou: was this on a highway or what?
[21:51:00] slePP: so the 60 is an estimate, given 50 feet @ locked up tires
[21:51:00] slePP: city street (6 lane)
[21:51:00] Beirdo: better question...
[21:52:00] mchou: is that kph or mph?
[21:52:00] slePP: kph
[21:52:00] Beirdo: why were you walking in front of her car?
[21:52:00] slePP: heh. i was in a car :P
[21:52:00] Beirdo: oh
[21:52:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:52:00] slePP: which is why i'm not dead
[21:52:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:52:00] Beirdo: yeah
[21:52:00] slePP: my rear view mirror was found in the back seat
[21:52:00] slePP: we never found half of my rear end
[21:52:00] slePP: one seat popped off the bolts
[21:52:00] mchou: ouch
[21:52:00] slePP: both knees hit the dashboard (standard, so both were pressed to the floor at a stop)
[21:52:00] slePP: and i was looking in the rear-view as she was barreling down on me
[21:52:00] mchou: slePP: what kind of car were you in?
[21:53:00] slePP: it took a few months before i wasn't paranoid of tail gaters
[21:53:00] slePP: 1988 beretta
[21:53:00] Beirdo: gah
[21:53:00] slePP: it actually came out with $2k damages
[21:53:00] Beirdo: ouchy
[21:53:00] slePP: her car, a 1997 cavalier or something
[21:53:00] slePP: .. heh
[21:53:00] mchou: sigh.
[21:53:00] slePP: i always though those crash tests looked overdone.
[21:53:00] slePP: there was nothing left to her car
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[21:53:00] slePP: it was squirting not one, but _two_ colours of fluids out of the engine
[21:53:00] mchou: howcome she is still alive?
[21:54:00] slePP: the windshield was shards all over, both airbags deployed, the radiator was punctured by my hitch (which was a 1ft piece of solid steel out the back bumper :)
[21:54:00] slePP: and her door wouldn't close anymore, and her hood lost a hinge
[21:54:00] slePP: so.. her car was written off
[21:54:00] slePP: not sure
[21:54:00] slePP: airbags, i guess
[21:54:00] slePP: but, the weird bit.. there were 4–6 people in the car
[21:54:00] slePP: the driver and a bunch of other people
[21:54:00] mchou: who's car?
[21:54:00] mchou: hers?
[21:54:00] slePP: she hits me, everyone gets out, and everyone but her leaves
[21:54:00] slePP: they just take off
[21:54:00] slePP: her mom's
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[21:55:00] slePP: when asked by both insurance companies, she said 'no one else was in the car with me'
[21:55:00] mchou: well well, that's clear
[21:55:00] mchou: you didnt contest that?
[21:55:00] slePP: well... two witnesses and myself said otherwise
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[21:55:00] slePP: and her insurance company directly said to me, 'we have strong reason to believe our clienti s lying to us, so let us know how we can help.'
[21:55:00] mchou: so, insurance self interest.
[21:55:00] Beirdo: "revoke her insurance"
[21:55:00] mchou: they dont wanna pay more.
[21:56:00] slePP: yeh
[21:56:00] slePP: but i took them to court anyway :>
[21:56:00] mchou: bah, that doesnt help
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[21:56:00] mchou: she just go elsewhere for insurance.
[21:56:00] slePP: the interesting bit, is how this girl/her mom are handling it
[21:56:00] slePP: they're basically passing the buck back and forth, 'it wasn't me, it was my daughter' 'it wasn't me, it was my mom'
[21:56:00] mchou: huh???
[21:56:00] mchou: who was driving?
[21:56:00] slePP: mchou: albertan insurance laws are a bit more strict about how you can just go 'elsewhere'
[21:57:00] slePP: she'd be paying thousands a year
[21:57:00] slePP: well, see... i didn't realize they were playing that 'i didn't do it' game until about 6 months ago
[21:57:00] slePP: and so.. i think back, and i think she was younger
[21:57:00] slePP: the mom is 55 or something, the daughter is about 25
[21:57:00] slePP: but .. she was a big chubby girl that wasn't attractive, so it really doesn't stand out in my memory what she looked like.
[21:58:00] mchou: so you dont know who was driving?
[21:58:00] slePP: i can't entirely remember
[21:58:00] mchou: hmm....
[21:58:00] slePP: i said 'put them in front of me, and i can easily point her out'
[21:58:00] slePP: but it's not a big deal. if the mom says 'my daughter did it', they go serve the daughter with a summons
[21:59:00] slePP: so they just both get charged instead
[21:59:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:59:00] slePP: it was wreckless driving
[21:59:00] mchou: slePP: hint: you want the one with more money :)
[21:59:00] mchou: or assets.
[21:59:00] slePP: heh.
[22:00:00] slePP: it's the same insurance policy
[22:00:00] mchou: which would probably be her mom.
[22:00:00] slePP: so it doesn't matter
[22:00:00] slePP: insurance is mandatory for $1million liability up here
[22:00:00] Qwell: in the US, both would be liable
[22:00:00] slePP: well, 500k-1,000k
[22:01:00] ** slePP wonders if qwell setup the tunnel yet **
[22:01:00] Qwell: slePP: Any idea how I can remove what radvd gave my client in the past, hopefully without restarting the network device?
[22:01:00] Qwell: nice timing
[22:01:00] slePP: anyhow, the $28k or whatever i'm expecting is not bad, i feel
[22:01:00] slePP: seems reasonable for the past history i've had with the injury and how much it bothers me today
[22:02:00] slePP: Qwell: ip -6 addr del xxx:xxx:xxxx:xxx/64 dev XXX
[22:02:00] Qwell: duh..o
[22:02:00] Qwell: k
[22:03:00] Qwell: I want to get rid of the link local one too, right?
[22:03:00] slePP: nonono
[22:03:00] slePP: don't hurt link locals. they love you
[22:03:00] Qwell: ok
[22:04:00] slePP: plus they're very much needed or things don't work right for radvd :>
[22:04:00] Beirdo: like our math teacher used to say...
[22:04:00] Beirdo: fractions are your friends
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[22:04:00] Beirdo: in this case... link locals are your friends.
[22:04:00] slePP: yup
[22:04:00] slePP: site locals should burn, but link locals are nice
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[22:05:00] FuzzyLogic: anybody use mythtv with debian 64
[22:05:00] FuzzyLogic: or any64 for that matter?
[22:05:00] beavis: me
[22:05:00] Beirdo: beavis does :)
[22:05:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:05:00] Beirdo: I'm sure butthead does too
[22:05:00] FuzzyLogic: awesome, anything i should know?
[22:05:00] beavis: sure
[22:06:00] mchou: so does Chutt
[22:06:00] FuzzyLogic: what kind of tuner card you using?
[22:06:00] slePP: Qwell: i can't ping your side of the tunnel yet
[22:06:00] beavis: sid?
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[22:06:00] beavis: or sarg? FuzzyLogic
[22:06:00] Qwell: slePP: tunnel is working fine on the router I believe
[22:06:00] Beirdo: I would be if I got around to actually firing it up on the ubuntu64 box
[22:06:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:06:00] Beirdo: it's my development box
[22:06:00] slePP: can you ping6 2001:4830:2301:f103::1?
[22:06:00] FuzzyLogic: im a linux newbie, i dont know what those terms are :P
[22:06:00] Qwell: from my client, yeah
[22:06:00] Qwell: erm
[22:07:00] Qwell: yeah
[22:07:00] slePP: now it's better
[22:07:00] beavis: FuzzyLogic: what did you install? a livecd like kanotix or pure debian?
[22:07:00] mchou: I'm confused.....What's the diff betw. nforce3 and 4?
[22:07:00] FuzzyLogic: its going to be pure debian
[22:07:00] Qwell: ok, its giving me love now
[22:07:00] FuzzyLogic: 3.1_r0a/
[22:07:00] Beirdo: mchou: not quite sure, but I've looked it up before
[22:07:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:07:00] mchou: are there any nforce4 AGP based mobos?
[22:07:00] beavis: ok, so no xorg i guess FuzzyLogic
[22:08:00] Beirdo: not sure, my nforce4 is PCI-X
[22:08:00] FuzzyLogic: guess not
[22:08:00] slePP: traceroute to 2001:4830:2301:e2::1 (2001:4830:2301:e2::1) from 2001:4830:2302:1:2e0:18ff:fed8:76ec, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets
[22:08:00] slePP: 1 wrt54g.geeksanon.ca (2001:4830:2302:1::10) 0.76 ms 0.68 ms 0.638 ms
[22:08:00] slePP: 2 nomato.wrt0.tun.netmonks.ca (2001:4830:2301:f001::1) 10.393 ms 9.162 ms 9.678 ms
[22:08:00] slePP: 3 2001:4830:2301:e2::1 (2001:4830:2301:e2::1) 950.937 ms 734.371 ms 364.188 ms
[22:08:00] beavis: FuzzyLogic: you'll need a small patch for the sources
[22:09:00] FuzzyLogic: usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian
[22:09:00] FuzzyLogic: it in there?
[22:09:00] mchou: Frys has the gigabyte k8nsc with retail a64 3000+ for $219.....
[22:10:00] Qwell: slePP: My friend is jealous now. ;/
[22:10:00] FuzzyLogic: yeah, i got the stuff at fry's
[22:10:00] Qwell: he's stick with freenet...heh
[22:10:00] mchou: FuzzyLogic: the same deal I just mentioned?
[22:10:00] slePP: Qwell: traceroute6 freebsd.isc.org
[22:11:00] FuzzyLogic: beavis: thanks for the input :)
[22:11:00] Qwell: 12 hops
[22:12:00] Qwell: a few 2–3k ms hops
[22:12:00] mchou: bah. I hate realtek codec.
[22:12:00] Qwell: err, wait
[22:12:00] Qwell: that went over 3ffe...wtf
[22:12:00] Qwell: stupid freenet took over my system :D
[22:12:00] slePP: heh
[22:12:00] slePP: go freenet :>
[22:13:00] beavis: FuzzyLogic: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/124379
[22:13:00] slePP: that explains why the return route to your IP is a long path
[22:13:00] slePP: yeah. stop everything freenet related :
[22:13:00] slePP: >
[22:13:00] Qwell: slePP: likely...
[22:13:00] beavis: FuzzyLogic: just a little patience
[22:13:00] slePP: just ip -6 link set freenet6 down
[22:13:00] slePP: or whatever freenet is using. sit1?
[22:13:00] Qwell: sit1
[22:13:00] slePP: ip link set sit1 down
[22:13:00] slePP: :>
[22:13:00] slePP: very nice
[22:13:00] slePP: much better
[22:14:00] slePP: from 3500ms to 80ms
[22:14:00] Qwell: 5 hops...sexy
[22:14:00] Qwell: haha
[22:14:00] Qwell: yeah, thats awesome
[22:14:00] slePP: so you're connected to a 10mbit access point which routes to vancouver and into the US
[22:14:00] Qwell: nice
[22:14:00] slePP: where's your friend? because if you want, you can be his tunnel service :>
[22:14:00] Qwell: ontario I think
[22:15:00] FuzzyLogic: beavis: awesome
[22:15:00] slePP: i could point 2001:4830:2301:e3::/64 at you as well, and you could setup a tunnel between you two. o ri can take him on as a tunnel as well
[22:15:00] Qwell: slePP: I have a kinda crappy connection. If you're willing to, he'd love that. :)
[22:15:00] slePP: k.
[22:16:00] slePP: they on IRC?
[22:16:00] Qwell: told him to hop onto freenode
[22:16:00] slePP: k.
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[22:16:00] Qwell: there
[22:16:00] slePP: hey korozion
[22:16:00] Qwell: korozion: slePP here is the man...
[22:16:00] korozion: here
[22:16:00] korozion: heya
[22:17:00] slePP: i need your IP, and you need to ensure you have GRE enabled in your kernel
[22:17:00] korozion: k, my IP changes sometimes, tho
[22:17:00] slePP: that's fine
[22:17:00] slePP: admin-ipv6@netmonks.ca for that
[22:18:00] Qwell: slePP: pastebin.ca is lightning fast now, after the resolve. :p
[22:18:00] Qwell: hell...everything is. sweet
[22:19:00] slePP: :>
[22:19:00] slePP: the IPv6 network we peer into is one of the largest and most stable ones in NA
[22:19:00] Qwell: no more ipv4. hostnames for me. ;]
[22:20:00] slePP: hehe
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[22:25:00] slePP: so who else is getting a tunnel from me today?
[22:27:00] Beirdo: slePP: not today, but some other time, I'm sure
[22:27:00] crash-x: slePP: does your service work with dynamic ips?
[22:27:00] slePP: it can
[22:27:00] slePP: but it's a manual process to update it
[22:27:00] slePP: so it depends on how dynamic :>
[22:27:00] crash-x: my ip changes all 24h :/
[22:27:00] Qwell: dialup dynamic ;]
[22:27:00] slePP: we're not like fnet6
[22:27:00] slePP: ooh
[22:27:00] slePP: annoying ;>
[22:28:00] crash-x: yeah
[22:28:00] slePP: no, i don't have anything for that atm
[22:28:00] slePP: i might soon
[22:28:00] crash-x: hmm
[22:28:00] crash-x: ok, could you email me then?
[22:28:00] slePP: it's not hard to implement
[22:28:00] slePP: sure
[22:28:00] crash-x: crash.ix at gmail.com please
[22:28:00] crash-x: does reverse dns work with your service?
[22:28:00] Qwell: now I just need to get my 7960 to understand ipv6...
[22:29:00] hadees: so i paied money to lxmsuite and all i got were some crappy themes...
[22:29:00] hadees: great
[22:30:00] crash-x: share the themes ;))
[22:30:00] hadees: they all have this huge lxm suite logo on them
[22:30:00] crash-x: heh
[22:31:00] hadees: thats an intresting point though, are their themes under the gpl
[22:31:00] hadees: GeckoFiend, you there
[22:32:00] slePP: crash-x: yeh
[22:32:00] slePP: reverse DNS is good :>
[22:32:00] crash-x: heh yeah
[22:32:00] GeckoFiend: hadees yeah
[22:32:00] crash-x: do you get a whole ip block at your service or just one?
[22:33:00] GeckoFiend: hadees no the artwork in the thems is not GPLed
[22:33:00] hadees: GeckoFiend, anything new with lxmsuite? and why are those themse have such large logos
[22:34:00] hadees: or rather prominent and ugly
[22:34:00] slePP: crash-x: a /64
[22:34:00] slePP: or a /48 if you're willing to use BGP to peer and have a static IP :>
[22:35:00] crash-x: nice
[22:35:00] GeckoFiend: hadees LOL the logo isn't that big. And it's not like it's in the way of anything
[22:36:00] hadees: GeckoFiend, how about a nice water mark
[22:37:00] GeckoFiend: hadees I'm not the designer, or even a person with control over it.
[22:37:00] hadees: hehe, yeah i know, i was more intrested in what my membership will bring me, i joined in the start and haven't seen a whole lot
[22:37:00] hadees: hope they didn't take my money and run
[22:38:00] hadees: GeckoFiend, although thats not really you either
[22:38:00] slePP: Qwell: you've already moved 420k of data ;>
[22:38:00] slePP: look at you go
[22:38:00] Qwell: really?
[22:39:00] Qwell: I haven't done much...
[22:39:00] slePP: my home->data center link has moved 500mb in a week
[22:39:00] GeckoFiend: hadees nah, it's mainly a number thing. Right now there's not enough subscribers to pay any sort of bounty so there's no real rush on getting the bounty system up. They *are* working with some other folks to bring some cool stuff to subsribers
[22:39:00] Qwell: btdownloadcurses.py --ipv6_enabled 1 sometorrent.torrent
[22:39:00] Qwell: :D
[22:39:00] slePP: hehe
[22:39:00] Qwell: I'll play nice, heh
[22:39:00] Discipulus: Hey
[22:39:00] Discipulus: EVERYONE
[22:39:00] Discipulus: Open a new tab/window
[22:39:00] Beirdo: no
[22:40:00] Discipulus: and connect to irc.freenode.com:9001
[22:40:00] Beirdo: no
[22:40:00] Discipulus: they need 100+ more users for testing
[22:40:00] Discipulus: Beirdo, fuck you
[22:40:00] Beirdo: so what?
[22:40:00] slePP: testing what?
[22:40:00] slePP: i need 100+ more users for testing
[22:40:00] slePP: everyone open a new tab/window
[22:40:00] Discipulus: slePP, the new version of the ircd
[22:40:00] slePP: connect to irc.spod.ca
[22:40:00] GeckoFiend: Discipulus watch you mouth
[22:40:00] ChanServ sets mode +o Beirdo
[22:40:00] Discipulus: GeckoFiend, well it would be nice if the users of a network supported their network...
[22:40:00] hadees: Discipulus, i donated money
[22:41:00] hadees: look at my hostname
[22:41:00] Beirdo: it would be nice if you wouldn't run your mouth and demand stuff from others
[22:41:00] hadees: did you
[22:41:00] slePP: it'd be nice if it was a formal notification of testing :>
[22:41:00] Beirdo: :)
[22:41:00] Discipulus: hadees, help them test the new ircd
[22:41:00] GeckoFiend: Discipulus well when some ranomd ass fucktard starts giving orders then tells regulars to fuck off what do you expect
[22:41:00] Discipulus: They need more users on the test network to help test it
[22:41:00] Discipulus: I expect people to do as the staff expects.
[22:41:00] hadees: Discipulus, make me a sandwich
[22:41:00] Discipulus: hadees, make me?
[22:41:00] slePP: Sorry, irc.freenode.com has no IPv6 address. Unable to connect.
[22:41:00] xris: there's a rack being built in the other room with a total value of about $230k
[22:42:00] Beirdo: Discipulus: you are a newbie in this channel, telling us what to do is lame
[22:42:00] Beirdo: go to another channel and pester them
[22:42:00] Discipulus: alright
[22:42:00] Discipulus: w/e
[22:42:00] Beirdo: we all saw the global notices
[22:42:00] hadees: Discipulus, ever heard of the word please
[22:42:00] Beirdo: if we were interested, we'd do it
[22:43:00] slePP: we did?
[22:43:00] ** slePP didn't **
[22:43:00] ** GeckoFiend fires up the software from emachineshop.com and trys to designj a case **
[22:43:00] ** slePP notes the lack of +g **
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[22:43:00] slePP: heh
[22:43:00] slePP: good
[22:43:00] slePP: we didn't like you
[22:43:00] xris: heh
[22:43:00] slePP: so, now everyone.
[22:43:00] slePP: Go join irc.spod.ca.
[22:43:00] slePP: NOW
[22:43:00] slePP: I DEMAND IT
[22:43:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:43:00] ** slePP isn't a newbie, so he can get away with it, see? **
[22:43:00] slePP: not that anyone will do it, but hey
[22:43:00] Qwell: better be v6 enabled :p
[22:43:00] Beirdo sets mode -o Beirdo
[22:43:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:43:00] slePP: it is
[22:43:00] slePP: or at least, used to be :>
[22:43:00] ** slePP forgets **
[22:43:00] ** xris ponders a computer setup worth more than his house. **
[22:44:00] Beirdo: I don't need another IRC network right now
[22:44:00] hadees: GeckoFiend, emachineshop.com? intresting, they any good?
[22:44:00] slePP: yeaaah.. i need to fix that. hehe
[22:44:00] xris: I'm too lazy to change my gaim setup to connect to the test network.
[22:44:00] hadees: xris, you use gaim for irc
[22:44:00] hadees: damn
[22:44:00] Beirdo: I have 4 networks open right now in xchat
[22:44:00] slePP: that's gay-m
[22:44:00] Beirdo: don't need another
[22:45:00] GeckoFiend: hadees I've heard good things aboput them. Basicly you download their software, design your part(s) and they build it
[22:45:00] ** slePP has 4 open as well **
[22:45:00] Beirdo: sorry, 5
[22:45:00] slePP: efnet, freenode, spod and my colo's
[22:45:00] Beirdo: forgot my bitlbee
[22:45:00] Beirdo: my own personal network for the friends, freenode, oftc, work, bitlbee
[22:45:00] slePP: k. i should really go to the bank
[22:45:00] Beirdo: you need a getaway car driver?
[22:45:00] slePP: so make spod.ca the new network for friends :>
[22:45:00] slePP: yessir i do
[22:46:00] Beirdo: I'm sure MajestiK could help
[22:46:00] Beirdo: muhahah
[22:46:00] slePP: hehe.
[22:46:00] xris: GeckoFiend: good friend of mine confirms that they're a good place.
[22:46:00] slePP: paaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuullllll
[22:46:00] slePP: i need a getaway driver, bring gregzor
[22:46:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:46:00] hadees: GeckoFiend, i think the case at http://www.atechfabrication.com/HTPC_cases.htm would end up being cheaper though, you can get the guy to custom them to your need also
[22:47:00] slePP: http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/
[22:47:00] hadees: GeckoFiend, unless you plan on making atleast 10 cases
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[22:48:00] slePP: that keyboard would be fun
[22:48:00] slePP: but, i imagine, very expensive
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[22:48:00] GeckoFiend: hadees except that I need a case that's 12x10x2.5
[22:49:00] hadees: GeckoFiend, looking at the prices you might want to try to find like 9 other people on mythtv mailing list that also want one
[22:49:00] slePP: i want a dual processor system at 2ghz that fits into the size of a 3.5" floppy bay
[22:49:00] hadees: slePP, you can get those, sort of
[22:49:00] hadees: they make pcs that are on pci cards
[22:49:00] slePP: not that small, and not dual
[22:49:00] hadees: kind of strange
[22:49:00] slePP: self contained
[22:50:00] ** slePP has seen processor cards. those're neat, but no.. not what i'm looking for **
[22:50:00] slePP: just a tiny, fast computer
[22:50:00] ** Beirdo pets his iBook **
[22:50:00] xris: heh
[22:50:00] Qwell: slePP: I don't suppose a gumstix would cut it? heh
[22:51:00] hadees: i am not getting an apple laptop untill it can last for 7 hours
[22:51:00] hadees: of battery
[22:51:00] Beirdo: bah
[22:51:00] Beirdo: my IBM never lasted that long either
[22:51:00] Beirdo: even with twin batteries
[22:51:00] hadees: my thinkpad t40p does
[22:51:00] slePP: mine lasts for 45min atm
[22:51:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:51:00] Beirdo: my A30p lasts 5s now
[22:52:00] Beirdo: both batteries are pooched
[22:52:00] Beirdo: and I haven't bothered to replace em yet
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[22:52:00] hadees: i can't wait till apple's intel version is hacked and i can use it on a thinkpad
[22:52:00] Beirdo: which makes the iBook the traveling laptop
[22:52:00] xris: hadees: good luck. supposedly ties into the bios
[22:52:00] hadees: xris, only a matter of time
[22:52:00] Beirdo: which reminds me... must install puzzlepirates on there and make sure it's playable
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[22:52:00] xris: hadees: maybe.
[22:53:00] xris: just wish they'd figure it out and start selling the software.
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[22:53:00] slePP: actually, those gumstix could be very very very bloody useful for this project
[22:53:00] ** slePP makes a note of that **
[22:53:00] xris: I'd happily pay $100–120 for osx to run on my box.
[22:53:00] Beirdo: I wish apple would get a clue and stick with frigging PowerPC
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[22:54:00] hadees: i wish apple had a trackpoint on their laptops
[22:54:00] xris: can't. IBM has no low-power plans for ppc, so it'd basically kill apple's laptop division
[22:54:00] Beirdo: the stick mouse?
[22:54:00] hadees: Beirdo, yeah
[22:54:00] Beirdo: IBM isn't the only manufacturer of PowerPC
[22:54:00] hadees: i hate touchpads
[22:54:00] xris: love it or hate it, I guess.
[22:54:00] Beirdo: so do I :)
[22:54:00] slePP: you think i'd die if i had a single cigar?
[22:54:00] ** slePP hmms **
[22:54:00] slePP: cigars. mmm
[22:54:00] Beirdo: Motorola also makes em
[22:54:00] xris: Beirdo: ppc alliance.. ibm's been the R&D, thugh.
[22:55:00] hadees: Beirdo, not really, i think they might have given up
[22:55:00] xris: motorola doesn't.. sold their share to another group.
[22:55:00] Beirdo: Cigar... don't tempt me, slePP
[22:55:00] slePP: i know what i need to do. make the pastebin run on gumstix :>
[22:55:00] slePP: Beirdo: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[22:55:00] xris: or rather, split it off.
[22:55:00] slePP: a good dominican vanilla rolled
[22:55:00] Beirdo: I will surely catch hell
[22:55:00] slePP: that's probably the best/smoothest cigar i've ever had
[22:55:00] slePP: for about $17/ea
[22:55:00] Beirdo: I'm giving em up.. rather have the woman.
[22:55:00] Beirdo: :)
[22:55:00] slePP: hehe
[22:55:00] xris: heh
[22:56:00] Beirdo: I'd kill for a Cohiba (cuban of course)... 44-ring
[22:56:00] Beirdo: only about.... $60
[22:56:00] hadees: like you have a problem getting a cuban
[22:56:00] Beirdo: sit my sorry butt out in a park and stink the place up good
[22:56:00] Beirdo: no problem at all here :)
[22:57:00] hadees: i wish i could get some more cubans
[22:57:00] Beirdo: move to Canada
[22:57:00] Beirdo: I also have Cuban rum :)
[22:57:00] xris: guess I'm glad I don't smoke. expensive.
[22:57:00] xris: now cuban rum.......
[22:57:00] Beirdo: that I'm NOT giving up
[22:57:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:57:00] Beirdo: not bloody likely
[22:58:00] ** slePP doens't like cuban's **
[22:58:00] Beirdo: slePP: too strong?
[22:58:00] ** slePP has never had a good cuban **
[22:58:00] slePP: no.. just bitter
[22:58:00] Beirdo: the Dominican are a lot smoother
[22:58:00] slePP: yeh
[22:58:00] slePP: the dominicans i smoke are very strong, but they're soft.. i think they're a lot less dry
[22:58:00] Beirdo: cuban needs to be smoked a touch hotter, I think
[22:58:00] slePP: could be
[22:58:00] Beirdo: but OY, the aftertaste...
[22:59:00] rah: anyone have multiple cards?
[22:59:00] Beirdo: getting that outta your system is hellish
[22:59:00] Beirdo: rah: got 3 PVR-250
[22:59:00] rah: or rather, multiple frontends?
[22:59:00] rah: eg, DVB-S and DVB-T?
[22:59:00] Beirdo: no
[22:59:00] rah: or DVB-T and V4L?
[22:59:00] Beirdo: and that doesn't equate to frontends
[22:59:00] rah: anyone else?
[22:59:00] mchou: lol
[22:59:00] rah: Beirdo: I know
[23:00:00] hadees: anyone ever have an ambrosia cigar?
[23:00:00] hadees: i like their spice one
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[23:00:00] ** slePP will stick to swisher sweets, or the dominicans :> **
[23:00:00] Beirdo: never tried em, hadees
[23:00:00] xris: Beirdo: I have a new recipe for my cookbook — going to put mead into my next batch of hot sauce.
[23:00:00] Beirdo: Nicaraguan is nice too
[23:00:00] xris: shoudl help extract and smooth out the heat.
[23:00:00] nhesson: I dont know it this is already done, I am running .17 and haven't yet had the need to upgrade but I thought I would ask. Has anyone ever looked at using XML-HTTP-Request in mythweb for program details. I know my page takes a bit to load all of that data and a single request shouldn't take to much time for a specific mouseover. I haven't looked at how mythweb grabs that data but that could all be handled by php anyway. Any
[23:00:00] slePP: tried some slim cigars from somewhere.. they weren't very good..
[23:00:00] Beirdo: oooh, nice
[23:00:00] slePP: very bland
[23:01:00] xris: nhesson: ajax support is coming "soon"
[23:01:00] Beirdo: slePP: or use dutch cigarellos :)
[23:01:00] hadees: romeo and juliet are really good
[23:01:00] xris: I have a patch to add it to the delete-program functionality, and once that goes in the rest will follow.
[23:01:00] slePP: of course, since i decided to quit smoking today.. maybe i should stop talking about those :>
[23:01:00] Beirdo: yeah
[23:01:00] Beirdo: kick the habit, dude
[23:01:00] rah: xris: what's ajax?
[23:01:00] slePP: hadees: i'm going to see a live performance of that tomorrow in the park
[23:01:00] Keith: gl with kicking the bait slepp
[23:01:00] xris: rah: Async Java and XML... aka XMLHttpRequest
[23:01:00] hadees: slePP, i was talking about the cigars
[23:02:00] slePP: oh
[23:02:00] Keith: slepp you're in ny?
[23:02:00] slePP: none the less, i'm going to see a live performance in the park :>
[23:02:00] ** slePP is not **
[23:02:00] ** slePP is in alberta **
[23:02:00] rah: xris: what's its application?
[23:02:00] Keith: ah ok.
[23:02:00] xris: rah: look at google maps
[23:02:00] xris: or google suggest
[23:02:00] xris: or gmail
[23:02:00] slePP: or any other XML-RPC type service
[23:03:00] rah: I see
[23:03:00] hadees: well i asked before but now it is more active, anyone here going to defcon?
[23:03:00] xris: nhesson: as for the program page, that might work. problem is, I will *not* do anything that requires javascript.
[23:03:00] slePP: hadees: what's the timespan on it?
[23:03:00] ** slePP might end up there by fluke **
[23:03:00] xris: although now that I think of it, the current mouseover stuff requires js, too.
[23:03:00] xris: anyway, worth considering.
[23:03:00] rah: xris: do you know anything about the scheduler?
[23:03:00] rah: ie, the program recording scheduler
[23:03:00] xris: rah: nope. if it's not mythweb or nuvexport, I don't know much.
[23:04:00] hadees: slePP, jul 28 – jul 31
[23:04:00] nhesson: xris: It would make the program guide load alot faster.
[23:04:00] xris: nhesson: possibly, yes.
[23:04:00] slePP: hadees: ah, no
[23:04:00] slePP: why does nuvexport transcode mpeg-2 into mpeg-2 before making a DVD? :>
[23:04:00] xris: all of the data for the mouseover loads *after* the rest of the page displays, though.. so it shouldn't really be that much faster to do it with ajax
[23:05:00] Beirdo: argh
[23:05:00] Beirdo: lights are back on
[23:05:00] Beirdo: pissin me off
[23:05:00] xris: slePP: because you're dumb and using nuvexport on already-compliant mpeg streams?  ;)
[23:05:00] Beirdo: hehehe
[23:05:00] slePP: xris: ah, there's the rub... dvdauthor -o dvd/ Something.nuv
[23:05:00] slePP: no VOBUs found
[23:05:00] nhesson: xris: but if you try to look at a mouseover before that data is loaded it won't show it. At least in firefox
[23:05:00] Beirdo: use mpeg2cut
[23:05:00] slePP: so i have to split, remultiplex
[23:05:00] Beirdo: if you have a cutlist
[23:05:00] xris: nhesson: correct.
[23:05:00] Beirdo: (from nuvexport)
[23:06:00] rah: xris: ok
[23:06:00] xris: that stuff *could* be loaded on-demand as well as in the background via js.
[23:06:00] Beirdo: otherwise, just remux it ;)
[23:06:00] slePP: i need something that will go into the db and pick off the commercials. or the edit feature needs to let me remove commercials
[23:06:00] xris: so put in a ticket and I'll think about it.
[23:06:00] ** slePP just remuxes. it works :> **
[23:06:00] slePP: takes about 3 minutes
[23:06:00] ** rah is disappointed **
[23:06:00] slePP: but cinelerra can't work with the video file, so i can't edit it.. can't think of another good mpeg editor that would do a nice clean cut at the commercial boundaries
[23:06:00] xris: slePP: theoretically could have some checking to only remux if the stream size is the proper res, etc...
[23:06:00] nhesson: xris: that is where ajax could come in real handy. Why grab data from the server if it isn't going to be used.
[23:06:00] xris: but you'd still have to reencode if you want noise reduction, etc.
[23:07:00] rah: there's so much potential
[23:07:00] rah: but it seems to little fulfilment :(
[23:07:00] xris: nhesson: true.
[23:07:00] xris: that stuff was all written before ajax was the "big new thing"
[23:07:00] xris: and I haven't had time to do anything at all with ajax because of other projects.
[23:07:00] xris: put in a ticket, it'll get looked at.
[23:07:00] Beirdo: and will still be in use after ajax is once again just a bleach
[23:07:00] xris: http:/svn.mythtv.org/trac/
[23:07:00] xris: heh
[23:07:00] slePP: xris: well, i've found the player will do most anything so long as you set the DVD params properly in dvdauthor's little xml thing.. so it could offer to simply remux, or not
[23:08:00] slePP: as long as min/max bitrates and min/max res is adhered to, most players are happy to play it
[23:08:00] Beirdo: slePP: you get dvdauthor to accept MPEG1 yet?
[23:08:00] ** slePP can't say he's really tried **
[23:08:00] ** slePP uses vcdimager **
[23:08:00] Beirdo: MPEG1 at VCD resolution
[23:08:00] slePP: works nice
[23:08:00] Beirdo: to be exact
[23:08:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:09:00] Beirdo: I make DVDs full of VCD video
[23:09:00] Beirdo: for archiving shows
[23:09:00] slePP: hmm. that'd make sense :>
[23:09:00] ** slePP would have to transcode everything **
[23:09:00] slePP: silly 150's lacking hardware scaling
[23:09:00] Beirdo: so far the only authoring program that will do it is TMPGEnc DVD Author in winblows
[23:09:00] Beirdo: MPEG1 at VCD resolution is valid VOB contents
[23:10:00] slePP: but dvdauthor throws a fit?
[23:10:00] Beirdo: yup
[23:10:00] xris: slePP: dvd won't technically work if you encode at 480x480 or 640x480, etc.
[23:10:00] slePP: xris: technically :>
[23:10:00] xris: slePP: just depends on your player.
[23:10:00] slePP: yeh
[23:10:00] ** slePP goes with the reality that if it turned out to not work at that, i'd just take the dvd i made that did work before and make a new version re-encoded **
[23:10:00] xris: I'll stick to xvid. my player (mythvideo and/or xine) handles them just fine.
[23:10:00] slePP: but, everythng i do is 720x480@2.5mbit-6mbit
[23:10:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:11:00] slePP: oh, that's a question. how goo dis the VBR on these PVRs?
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[23:11:00] slePP: all my recordings are virtually identical in size, though the range is 2.5–6
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[23:11:00] Beirdo: seems to be good
[23:11:00] Beirdo: but yeah
[23:11:00] slePP: xris: mine doesn't do xvid
[23:11:00] slePP: the highest variance is 8mbytes
[23:11:00] xris: slePP: my player is my mythbox
[23:11:00] slePP: i don't watch DVDs off the mythbox much..
[23:11:00] xris: I use dvd's in my dvd player.
[23:11:00] Beirdo: not terribly variable, or it really does adhere to the averages well
[23:11:00] slePP: i usually just watch movies in bed :>
[23:11:00] xris: and mythbox for tv.
[23:12:00] Beirdo: DVDs for the DVD player :)
[23:12:00] xris: seems silly to put 2 hours on a dvd in mpeg format when I can store them as files and fit 13 hours.
[23:12:00] Beirdo: or...
[23:12:00] Beirdo: 19 shows (half hour with commercials gone)
[23:12:00] xris: Beirdo: you know I don't like to downsample
[23:12:00] Beirdo: or 9 1h shows trimmed
[23:12:00] Beirdo: yeah
[23:12:00] Beirdo: I knwo
[23:12:00] ** slePP still needs a way to cut out the commercials before he burns something **
[23:12:00] xris: 624x464 x 26 shows (half hour minus commercial)
[23:13:00] xris: slePP: bug Beirdo to finish extracting the good parts from lve and avidemux
[23:13:00] Beirdo: slePP: mpeg2cut from nuvexport in the meantime
[23:13:00] ** slePP harasses beirdo **
[23:13:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:13:00] Beirdo: like I have time right now
[23:13:00] Beirdo: :)
[23:13:00] slePP: but that just uses the cutlist from edits?
[23:14:00] Beirdo: yes, and uses avidemux to remove em
[23:14:00] slePP: which, unless i'm not very aware, only lets me chop beginning and tail ends of things
[23:14:00] Beirdo: should take about 5min to trim a 1h show
[23:14:00] Beirdo: no
[23:14:00] slePP: i haven't figure out how to block off a segment yet
[23:14:00] Beirdo: use the editor in mythtv
[23:14:00] slePP: yes, that's what i mean
[23:14:00] slePP: 'Delete before this frame' 'Delete after this frame' 'Cancel'
[23:14:00] Beirdo: right
[23:14:00] Beirdo: so... delete after...
[23:15:00] Beirdo: then move to the end of the chunk to remove
[23:15:00] slePP: oh... it's smart enough to figure out the bounds?
[23:15:00] Beirdo: delete before
[23:15:00] slePP: son of a bitch :P
[23:15:00] Beirdo: yeah
[23:15:00] slePP: here iw as thinking it could only take two marks
[23:15:00] Beirdo: silly slePP :)
[23:15:00] slePP: suppose i should play with it more often :>
[23:15:00] slePP: except editting with the PVR-350 output is way slower than on the Radeon output
[23:15:00] Beirdo: and you can load in the commercial markings by hitting z
[23:15:00] slePP: well, noticably slower :>
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[23:15:00] ** slePP debates which button he assigned 'z' **
[23:15:00] Beirdo: and twak from there
[23:15:00] slePP: is z used for anything else?
[23:15:00] Beirdo: dunno
[23:15:00] ** slePP has y.. and c.. and z, i think **
[23:16:00] slePP: on those bottom colours
[23:16:00] ** Beirdo doesn't use a lousy remote :) **
[23:17:00] slePP: hehe
[23:17:00] ** slePP has yet to get a nice JP1 that he can get to do something with the PVR **
[23:17:00] Beirdo: IR keyboard ++
[23:17:00] slePP: if only i could get the radeon output to overscan properly, life'd be good
[23:18:00] slePP: oh, and not get blurry
[23:18:00] Beirdo: my radeon works great
[23:18:00] slePP: hooooooooooook me up
[23:18:00] Beirdo: the 9200SE did
[23:18:00] ** slePP sees weird artifacting **
[23:18:00] slePP: 9205SE
[23:18:00] slePP: 9250
[23:18:00] Beirdo: and the 9600 Pro even better
[23:18:00] slePP: it's like motion blur due to deinterlacing, but.. it's not
[23:18:00] Beirdo: those drivers are finicky bitches
[23:18:00] slePP: fglrx?
[23:18:00] slePP: or radeon?
[23:18:00] Beirdo: but work pretty well once it's setup
[23:18:00] Beirdo: fglrx
[23:18:00] ** slePP nods. **
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[23:18:00] Qwell: I need to get gatos to play nicely with myth
[23:19:00] Qwell: I have a feeling that isn't going to happen
[23:19:00] slePP: anything you found that made the quality better? or did you ever notice the weird ghosting?
[23:19:00] slePP: (bt it's not ghosting either. i don't know _what_ it is)
[23:19:00] Beirdo: I never really noticed it
[23:19:00] Beirdo: my TV does the de-interlace
[23:19:00] Beirdo: so I may not ever notice it
[23:19:00] Beirdo: Sony XBR :)
[23:19:00] slePP: well then
[23:20:00] ** slePP should just try it again and see if maybe it was just the actual mpeg contents **
[23:20:00] Beirdo: it mighta been
[23:20:00] slePP: oh, yeh. there was one major issue
[23:20:00] slePP: full red, turned into green :>
[23:20:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:20:00] slePP: like a wrong colour map
[23:20:00] Beirdo: nice
[23:20:00] Beirdo: never seen that
[23:20:00] Beirdo: I'm sure I'd notice that
[23:20:00] slePP: not sure if that was a result of the composite output or not. i moved it all to s-video and things got better on the pvr-350
[23:21:00] slePP: yeh, it stands out
[23:21:00] slePP: a red light flahses on someones face, and they turn BRIGHT green
[23:21:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:21:00] slePP: and sometimes the mpeg colours int he preview window owuld get inverted
[23:23:00] ** slePP makes the plan to tinker with it again tonight **
[23:23:00] slePP: might've jsut been overly sensitive to the quality after the upgrades
[23:23:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:23:00] slePP: too bad i can't run dualhead ivtvfb and fglrx
[23:23:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:23:00] slePP: then i could have two mythfrontends on the one box for the two rooms it's adjacent to
[23:24:00] slePP: it segfaults pretty fast then locks up. but it works for about 15 seconds
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[23:28:00] hadees: what in the world is a AverTV PVR 150 Plus
[23:29:00] hadees: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815100135
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[23:31:00] Beirdo: looks like a PVR-150 to me
[23:31:00] Beirdo: maybe it's compatible with the Hauppauge, dunno
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[23:31:00] hadees: pvr-150's have two coax jacks?
[23:31:00] Beirdo: that's likely TV and FM
[23:31:00] Beirdo: dunno
[23:31:00] Beirdo: I have 250s
[23:32:00] Beirdo: yeah it is
[23:32:00] Beirdo: the backplate says so
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[23:37:00] Beirdo: slePP: going down to Calgary for the Stampede at all?
[23:38:00] slePP: same weekend as klondike days, i think
[23:38:00] slePP: so, doubt it :>
[23:38:00] Beirdo: it's on right now
[23:38:00] ** slePP was never a fan of the stampede **
[23:38:00] slePP: ah, still probably not :>
[23:38:00] Beirdo: Jul 8 – 17
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[23:39:00] Beirdo: at least that's what our company's scheduler says
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[23:39:00] Beirdo: "key-client event"
[23:39:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:40:00] slePP: http://www.autovibe.ca/
[23:40:00] ** slePP is now going to he bank, then tuxedo shopping **
[23:40:00] Beirdo: tuxedo?!
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[23:41:00] slePP: my wedding is only 4 weeks away
[23:41:00] slePP: so, now i go :> bbl
[23:41:00] Beirdo: ahhh
[23:41:00] Beirdo: congrats, dude
[23:42:00] slePP: :>
[23:42:00] slePP: k. gone.
[23:42:00] aphid: any advice on transcoding to xvid or h.264? i've been scoping out nuvexport and it's... arcane
[23:42:00] Beirdo: yeah, use nuvexport
[23:43:00] aphid: ok, I'll keep trying that then.
[23:44:00] aphid: is there any documentation for it other than the debug page on the wiki?
[23:44:00] Beirdo: it's menu-based, what documentation are you looking for
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[23:45:00] korozion: bbl
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[23:46:00] aphid: oh, it has an interface? joy. sorry, i'm kind of linux-inept, trying to get a mythtv box running to archive massive amounts of cspan footage for an art project
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[23:56:00] xris: man, stupid atrpms overwriting of redhat artwork
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[23:57:00] xris: ok, maybe not atrpms....
[23:57:00] xris: seems just corrupted data or something
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[23:59:00] xris: was the stupid redhat-kde reposotiry...
[23:59:00] aphid: has anyone had any luck getting caption streams out of a 250?

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