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Tuesday, July 12th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] Keith2: still
[00:00:00] Tommck: I'd recommend waiting for a sale on a big drive...
[00:00:00] Keith2: ok- so what would be the most ECONOMICAL mobo/processor youd recommend for this?
[00:00:00] Tommck: like Fry's had Seagate 200GB drives for $49 after rebate last week
[00:00:00] Tommck: low-def or high-def?
[00:00:00] abarbaccia: Keith2, if you wait, you can find 160 GB drives for like 40
[00:00:00] Keith2: hmmm hard drives im not worried about- its the mobo and such.
[00:01:00] Keith2: i dont have hi-def yet.
[00:01:00] Keith2: but i might get it in the near fuutre
[00:01:00] abarbaccia: low-def – damn you Tommck – standard sounds so much nicer
[00:01:00] Keith2: so might as well plan ahead
[00:01:00] kormoc: abarbaccia? where? where?
[00:01:00] abarbaccia: was
[00:01:00] Tommck: abarbaccia – shitty def?
[00:01:00] abarbaccia: not anymore
[00:01:00] Tommck: hehe
[00:01:00] abarbaccia: lol -
[00:01:00] kormoc: aww
[00:01:00] Tommck: Keith2 – one input? two? more?
[00:01:00] Keith2: the difference being the ability to watch and record at the same time right?
[00:01:00] Keith2: one to two
[00:01:00] Keith2: i dont need 4 cards
[00:01:00] Keith2: lol
[00:02:00] abarbaccia: yea, 2 cards lets you watch + record 2 live streams
[00:02:00] Tommck: if you were doing one/two input, _standard_ def (not HD), I would recommend around 1 GHz or so, but if you're building yourself, there's no reason to go that low... a 1.5 is almost the same price
[00:02:00] Tommck: and buy a PVR-500
[00:02:00] Keith2: pvr-500?
[00:02:00] Tommck: (that's 2 cards in one)
[00:02:00] Tommck: about $130 or so, I think
[00:02:00] Keith2: i thought the documentation said to avoid the all-inone cards
[00:03:00] Tommck: don't think so
[00:03:00] Keith2: oook
[00:03:00] Keith2: 200 dollars for just teh card?
[00:03:00] Tommck: that's $130
[00:03:00] abarbaccia: Keith2, they are talking about allinone video cards
[00:03:00] Tommck: not $200
[00:03:00] Tommck: that's for the _input_ card..
[00:03:00] abarbaccia: and I would consider getting 2 PVR-150s instead – one retail, the other OEM so you get a remote
[00:04:00] Keith2: hmmm let me grab it at new egg real quick make sure im looking at the right thing
[00:04:00] Tommck: then, I'd buy a cheap Geforce FX 5200 (fanless) for about $45
[00:04:00] Keith2: and what do you mean by a remote?
[00:04:00] Tommck: ahh.. I always recommend the IR keyboard option, myself
[00:04:00] abarbaccia: Tommck, can the 5200 do highdef
[00:04:00] abarbaccia: remote control
[00:04:00] Tommck: Keith2 – a remote control... you've seen pictures
[00:04:00] Tommck: abarbaccia – yes
[00:04:00] abarbaccia: what output? DVI?
[00:04:00] Tommck: abarbaccia – whatever...
[00:04:00] Keith2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116628
[00:04:00] Keith2: vs
[00:04:00] Tommck: right now I'm doing VGA->Component
[00:05:00] abarbaccia: I'm asking you waht you use as output – oh god – why wouldn't u use DVI – quality is so much better i've heard
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[00:05:00] Tommck: abarbaccia – not all TVs have it
[00:06:00] abarbaccia: ohh – gotcha
[00:06:00] Tommck: Keith2 – yeah.. that's it..
[00:06:00] Keith2: oooorr
[00:06:00] Keith2: do i get these like he suggested:
[00:06:00] Tommck: Keith2 – do you need cable interface?
[00:06:00] Keith2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815100135
[00:06:00] abarbaccia: see, im a broke college student  – things like highdef tvs are unheard of
[00:06:00] Keith2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620
[00:06:00] Tommck: abarbaccia – hehe...
[00:06:00] abarbaccia: Keith2, thats the wrong carde
[00:06:00] abarbaccia: go with hauppauge
[00:07:00] Keith2: the first one?
[00:07:00] Tommck: Keith2  – I've heard people talk about the avermedia thing... don't get it... always seems to cause ppl probs
[00:07:00] Keith2: ok
[00:07:00] Tommck: yeah... but if you want to do one at a time, buy the PVR-150
[00:07:00] Keith2: what do you mean?
[00:07:00] Tommck: the 500 is basically 2 150s in one board
[00:07:00] Keith2: ok
[00:07:00] Keith2: so buying one pvr-500
[00:07:00] Tommck: the drivers show the 500 as 2 150s
[00:07:00] Keith2: will allow t wo records simultanieously?
[00:08:00] Tommck: yes
[00:08:00] Tommck: the only issue is that, if you want to use s-video, you need to buy a little backplane-thingy to get the 2nd s-video connector ($13)
[00:08:00] Tommck: there's only so much room on the back of a card
[00:08:00] Keith2: thats 145.. ok, now mobo and such to go with it?
[00:08:00] Keith2: and yeah, ill prob need to use s-video as well
[00:09:00] Tommck: ok.. so you'll need a $13.95 part..
[00:09:00] abarbaccia: Keith2, just a sudgestion – if you want a cheap remote control for the whole setup – go with the 2 PVR-150s because it is cheaper
[00:09:00] Tommck: pcalchemy has it (and the 500 cheaper by $5) http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . f5264ddc298c
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[00:09:00] Tommck: geez... big link
[00:09:00] Tommck: Keith2 what kind of box are you interfacing with? cable? directv?
[00:10:00] Keith2: i dont even HAVE a cable box, but im heading back to college soon so i havent a clue what ill have there
[00:10:00] Tommck: hmm...
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[00:11:00] Tommck: because some things can be controlled through serial cables (yay!)
[00:11:00] Tommck: others require IR blasters (boo!)
[00:11:00] abarbaccia: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=103 . . . 101&sp=1
[00:11:00] abarbaccia: Keith2, dorm?
[00:11:00] Tommck: for a remote, I recommend a cheap-assed IR keyboard... I bought the LITE-ON $17 IR keyboard..
[00:11:00] Keith2: yeah, d orm
[00:11:00] abarbaccia: because then its just standard cable – and chances are you'll only need one card, and watch previously recorded shows
[00:12:00] Tommck: it works from far away and you can program a universal remote with the keyboard keys
[00:12:00] abarbaccia: thats what i do – i got an apartment now – but you can always add a 2nd card later
[00:12:00] Tommck: and there's no fiddling with "lirc" (the IR control daemon)
[00:12:00] abarbaccia: very easily too – esp if they both are pvr-150s
[00:12:00] Keith2: ok whats the majro difference between myth tv and beyond tv?
[00:12:00] abarbaccia: FREE
[00:12:00] Tommck: thus you wouldn't need the non-MCE version of the pvr-150 abarbaccia's telling you to buy
[00:13:00] abarbaccia: right, but for 88 dollars you can't beat it – plus you get a remote with it – and i've had much success with lirc
[00:13:00] abarbaccia: so ha Tommck
[00:13:00] Keith2: so wait buying this http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=103 . . . 101&sp=1
[00:13:00] Keith2: will be the tv tuner card
[00:13:00] Keith2: with a remote
[00:13:00] Keith2: allowing me to do 2 streams?
[00:13:00] abarbaccia: no
[00:13:00] abarbaccia: that is one stream + remote
[00:13:00] Tommck: a $60 150 versus an $88 one? and you can buy an IR keyboard that works from your couch in case the remote's not compeltely programmed?
[00:13:00] Keith2: ok.
[00:13:00] Tommck: I think my way is better
[00:14:00] Tommck: anyway... the wife's home, I really need to bolt
[00:14:00] Keith2: thansk for everything tomm
[00:14:00] abarbaccia: and the 2nd stream is the MCE which means no remote – and that one is only 60
[00:14:00] Keith2: ok..... link me to the mce?
[00:14:00] Tommck: right... buy two of those.. and a $17 IR keyboard
[00:14:00] kormoc: Tommck, how you worded that is just odd
[00:14:00] abarbaccia: having a keyboard is nice – http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=103 . . . 101&sp=1
[00:14:00] Tommck: it's cheaper and more versatile.
[00:14:00] Tommck: and NO screwing with LIRC
[00:14:00] Tommck: which is worth mucho bucks to me
[00:15:00] abarbaccia: but still – when your friends wanna change the channel or get to the guide they dont have to hit the letter g or the letter m or whatever it is
[00:15:00] Tommck: abarbaccia – It's IR... you program your universal remote with it...
[00:15:00] abarbaccia: and he wont have to screw with lirc if he follows my guide (PLUGGGG) www.abarbaccia.com  — because its quick and easy and ""almost"" flawless
[00:15:00] Tommck: you don't have to use the keyboard
[00:15:00] abarbaccia: true
[00:15:00] Keith2: ok so far we're a t 140 bucks. not bad at all
[00:15:00] abarbaccia: but how many college kids have a universal remote
[00:16:00] abarbaccia: for their cheap 20" dorm TV and standard cable
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[00:16:00] abarbaccia: he'll be pimpin with the box alone
[00:16:00] Keith2: lol
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[00:16:00] abarbaccia: memory
[00:16:00] Keith2: im going to a geeky as hell college too so this is major college-cred
[00:16:00] abarbaccia: processor, hdd, case, mb
[00:16:00] abarbaccia: what college?
[00:16:00] Keith2: wpi
[00:16:00] Keith2: worcestor polytechnic
[00:16:00] abarbaccia: yea
[00:16:00] Tommck: Keith2 – go here: http://tommck.jodoshared.com/blogs/toms_mythtv_saga/default.aspx
[00:16:00] Tommck: you can see my trials and tribulations with MythTV
[00:17:00] Tommck: on the left side I have a link to my hardware setup..
[00:17:00] Keith2: ah thanks tomm
[00:17:00] Keith2: you've been a huge help
[00:17:00] Tommck: gives the model # of that keyboard too :)
[00:17:00] Tommck: np
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[00:17:00] Tommck: cya later all
[00:17:00] abarbaccia: later tomimo
[00:17:00] abarbaccia: dammit
[00:17:00] abarbaccia: Tommck,
[00:17:00] Tommck: :)
[00:17:00] Tommck: see ya
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[00:17:00] Keith2: lol k
[00:17:00] Keith2: so abar.... igot the two cards.
[00:18:00] Keith2: lets move onto mobo and processor
[00:18:00] Keith2: whats the recommended here?
[00:18:00] abarbaccia: check out www.abarbaccia.com
[00:18:00] Keith2: not too overboard, not too pricey, not to slow
[00:18:00] abarbaccia: i have a whole page on it
[00:18:00] abarbaccia: dude- im a college kid too
[00:18:00] abarbaccia: trust me
[00:18:00] abarbaccia: i know the deal
[00:18:00] jonK: I am going to go back to college
[00:18:00] abarbaccia: personally i think you should just go with my setup
[00:18:00] Keith2: hehe.... well im working on graduation money here to build this
[00:18:00] riddlebox: in the README of the newest ivtv module it says to unload the old module how do I do that?
[00:18:00] jonK: I needs more edumacation
[00:18:00] jonK: rmmod ivtv
[00:19:00] jonK: riddlebox: rmmod ivtv
[00:19:00] riddlebox: I see thanks, then insmod ivtv?
[00:19:00] jonK: deprecated,
[00:19:00] jonK: use modprobe ivtv
[00:19:00] jonK: but sure insmod works too
[00:19:00] abarbaccia: Keith2, follow my hardware setup – it's probably the cheapest way – asus pundit (case + mb) $80 processor + 1 cap card, 512 of ram HD done
[00:19:00] Keith2: asus pundit abar?
[00:19:00] abarbaccia: yea
[00:19:00] Keith2: so whats the total price of your setup?
[00:19:00] abarbaccia: 130 at www.zipzoomfly.com
[00:19:00] abarbaccia: uh, under 5
[00:20:00] riddlebox: it tells me Module ivtv not found
[00:20:00] abarbaccia: hold on i'll total it
[00:20:00] Keith2: thanks
[00:20:00] jonK: then it was never loaded in the kernel
[00:20:00] jonK: and there was nothing to remove
[00:20:00] riddlebox: it was loaded I unloaded it
[00:20:00] riddlebox: when I do modprobe ivtv it says that
[00:21:00] Keith2: looking now abar
[00:21:00] abarbaccia: 373 + a HDD – depends on how big (2GB = 1 hour at DVD quality) and then throw a DVD drive in there
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[00:21:00] Keith2: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . e=150623-OP?
[00:21:00] Keith2: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . de=150623-OP ?
[00:21:00] Keith2: really thats a good rpice
[00:21:00] Keith2: so figure 400 total.
[00:22:00] Keith2: cause i might be able to get a good hard drive in there for ultra cheap
[00:22:00] Keith2: my dads high up in jnj and cna snag goodies like that sometimes
[00:22:00] abarbaccia: no
[00:22:00] abarbaccia: more
[00:22:00] abarbaccia: you need a HDD
[00:22:00] Keith2: hard drive
[00:22:00] Keith2: yea- i might be able to get that for free.
[00:22:00] abarbaccia: so whatever size you get you have to figure for that – and then a DVD ROM drive
[00:22:00] abarbaccia: oh – yea mna
[00:22:00] abarbaccia: 400 which is a sweet setup
[00:22:00] Keith2: mna?
[00:22:00] abarbaccia: man
[00:22:00] jonK: riddle, who did you install ivtv?
[00:22:00] Keith2: oh lol
[00:23:00] abarbaccia: lol
[00:23:00] Keith2: ok, any dvd roms i should avoid/insist on getting?
[00:23:00] Keith2: dvd-rw and such?
[00:23:00] jonK: i've spent more thean 400 on capture cards alone
[00:23:00] abarbaccia: and then you should be able to just follow my guide exactly without problems – and you can help me out because i might need to fix something for the pvr-150 stuff – but i think its all working right
[00:23:00] jonK: and it all started as a way to not pay tivo 13 per omnth
[00:23:00] abarbaccia: um, the rw is nice if you wanna get nuv2disc setup so you can burn tv shows as dvds
[00:23:00] abarbaccia: hahahha
[00:24:00] abarbaccia: jonK, thats great
[00:24:00] Keith2: which is what i wnat to do
[00:24:00] Keith2: i wanna burn tv shows and copy dvds
[00:24:00] Keith2: as well as rip em
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[00:24:00] Keith2: why doesnt myth tv just sell premade boxes with everything installed?
[00:24:00] Keith2: and leave software free and have it so you can choose tomake your own
[00:24:00] jonK: becuase tivo does that
[00:25:00] Keith2: no, tivo doesnt give you the option of making your own
[00:25:00] jonK: or if you'd like to start selling "mythboxes" go right ahead
[00:25:00] jonK: I've been thinking about starting to keep a standing auction on ebay
[00:25:00] Keith2: isnt that against the liscence?
[00:25:00] jonK: and building boxes on the fly if people by htem
[00:25:00] jonK: what license?
[00:25:00] Keith2: ...the developers would allow you to do it?
[00:26:00] iggy: there are people that sell mythtv boxes
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[00:26:00] Keith2: hey abar- i dont need to buy a mobo or proccessor if i buy asus bandit?
[00:26:00] jonK: under the terms of the GPL the developes are powerless to prevent me from doing that
[00:26:00] Keith2: ah ok
[00:26:00] Keith2: so go ahead jonk
[00:26:00] Keith2: hehe gimme a nice deal and we'll talk
[00:27:00] abarbaccia: 400 wont cut it i can tell you that
[00:27:00] abarbaccia: lol
[00:27:00] Keith2: lol
[00:27:00] iggy: you could feasibly get in trouble with zap2it depending on how you did that
[00:27:00] Keith2: so abar- what does the asus case include
[00:27:00] Keith2: case mobo and processor?
[00:27:00] iggy: the way around that is to actually pay for the programming
[00:27:00] iggy: then you're back at square tivo
[00:27:00] iggy: err... one
[00:28:00] abarbaccia: just case + mobo
[00:28:00] abarbaccia: which has onboard video + sound
[00:28:00] jonK: only a problem if i shipped wiht accounts for zap2it setup
[00:28:00] abarbaccia: so you're really set – add ram proc hdd and cap card
[00:28:00] dh1: i didnt realize mythtv had so much code. it is taking forever to compile
[00:28:00] dh1: then again it is a 350 mhz machine
[00:28:00] abarbaccia: hahahah
[00:28:00] abarbaccia: yea, that would do it too
[00:28:00] jonK: lol
[00:28:00] abarbaccia: why didnt u just use packages?
[00:28:00] Keith2: 350 mhz would run mythtv?
[00:28:00] abarbaccia: yea
[00:28:00] mchou: easily.
[00:28:00] abarbaccia: if you get a pvr-350
[00:28:00] jonK: keith, not the frontend
[00:28:00] jonK: well, if you get a 350
[00:28:00] abarbaccia: right
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[00:28:00] abarbaccia: he'll be fine
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[00:29:00] Keith2: ok brb one minute, exploring abar's hardware setup
[00:29:00] brendan__: hello
[00:29:00] jonK: dh1 it takes my athlon 2200 a little over a 1/2 hour to compile everything from source
[00:29:00] jonK: you're probably going to measure time in hours
[00:29:00] Chutt: takes me 6 minutes
[00:29:00] iggy: pvr-350's are more frustrating than I'm willing to deal with to avoid buying something faster than a 350Mhz cpu
[00:29:00] dh1: i tried, but it had dependency issues.
[00:30:00] abarbaccia: what distro?
[00:30:00] dh1: like libc6 was one version below what was required
[00:30:00] dh1: ubuntu
[00:30:00] brendan__: i have a hubage wintv tuner(not exacture sure what model), To make it work, i have to set the tuner type to 39, however this only seems to work for tvtime, every other program refuses to work.
[00:30:00] jonK: i have it built on ubuntu
[00:30:00] dh1: just installed it. i really like it btww jonK :)
[00:30:00] abarbaccia: man, just go with 0.17 and in october you'll have the most recent
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[00:30:00] o_O: speaking of the PVR350, can someone help me with it? I have one and the drivers are all loaded, I just can't get mythtv to work with it
[00:30:00] dh1: huh abarbaccia
[00:30:00] jonK: what happens o_o
[00:30:00] jonK: ?
[00:30:00] o_O: I just see a black screen
[00:30:00] jonK: on a tv or a monitor?
[00:30:00] abarbaccia: dh1, you added something to your sources.list file im assuming
[00:31:00] o_O: monitor
[00:31:00] dh1: yeah i did.
[00:31:00] abarbaccia: probably debian sources so you can get 0.18
[00:31:00] abarbaccia: well thats the problem
[00:31:00] mchou: anyone have an ASUS A8n-* here?
[00:31:00] o_O: I know the TV tuner card is working since cat /dev/video0 > video.png works fine
[00:31:00] abarbaccia: if you take that line out – you can just use 0.17 which is almost no difference
[00:31:00] o_O: mpg*
[00:31:00] dh1: wait no. i'm confused
[00:31:00] jonK: so when does it go black?
[00:31:00] dh1: all i added was a mythtv repo
[00:31:00] abarbaccia: and when ubuntu breezy comes out in october do an apt-get upgrade and bingo you'll have the newest
[00:31:00] abarbaccia: right- dont add that
[00:31:00] o_O: if I try to watch TV in mythtv it goes black immediately
[00:31:00] abarbaccia: dude, go to www.abarbaccia.com and do yourself a favor
[00:31:00] dh1: ok
[00:32:00] o_O: never starts playing TV
[00:32:00] dh1: abarbaccia: :)
[00:32:00] jonK: dh1 ubuntu multiverse has a package for 0.17.0
[00:32:00] Keith2: what does the name mean anyway abar?
[00:32:00] Keith2: ad what college you at?
[00:32:00] o_O: 2005-07–11 19:45:02.713 NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back is in mythbackend
[00:32:00] iggy: abarbaccia: :o ...almost no difference
[00:32:00] abarbaccia: try stepping through it – i dont have pvr-350 stuff in there – but enough to get you rolling
[00:32:00] jonK: o_O did you set setting in mythtv-->settings-->playback
[00:32:00] dh1: yeah, jonK it appears to be like off by one point release or something
[00:32:00] jonK: to "use pvr-350 for output"
[00:32:00] iggy: abarbaccia: what about time shifting?????
[00:32:00] abarbaccia: A is for andrew and B is for barbaccia (my name) and i go to penn state
[00:32:00] jonK: C is for cookie
[00:33:00] o_O: I tried it, no success
[00:33:00] Chutt: o_O, you told myth that you had a different type of capture card than you actuall have.
[00:33:00] o_O: also tried with it off
[00:33:00] abarbaccia: iggy, im not sure if his 350MHz processor could handle the time shift anyways
[00:33:00] Keith2: ah my friends og there and upenn
[00:33:00] Keith2: abar- your machine runs smoothly right?
[00:33:00] iggy: still....
[00:33:00] abarbaccia: Keith2, very
[00:33:00] o_O: Chutt, in mythsetup I've like checked many times, I believe its set to the right card... what should I do?
[00:33:00] Keith2: ah- even if i made it record two streams at once?
[00:33:00] Chutt: you have it set as a bttv card
[00:33:00] Chutt: not a pvr card
[00:33:00] abarbaccia: i know – its nice to have the latest and greatest but you gotta pay the price – i'd rather wait 2 months and just type one command
[00:34:00] Chutt: that's the _only_ way you get that error.
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[00:34:00] Keith2: abar-it woudl run smoothly if i do a 2nd pvr card?
[00:34:00] abarbaccia: Keith2, yes – because with the hauppauge cards, the recording is done on the hardware of the card, not by the CPU so the load is almost non-existant
[00:34:00] abarbaccia: plus for 80 bucks you get a Celeron D at like 2.6 GHz
[00:34:00] iggy: assuming sufficiently fast drives
[00:35:00] abarbaccia: iggy, for standard def an IDE drive would be FINE
[00:35:00] Keith2: where should i buy the processor from? ewegg?
[00:35:00] Keith2: newegg*
[00:35:00] abarbaccia: zipzoomfly with the case – difference might be a dollor
[00:35:00] abarbaccia: not worth the aggrivation
[00:35:00] brendan__: is there a reason that a bttv card(wintv) with the tuner type set to 39, would work fine in tvtime but nowhere else?
[00:36:00] o_O: Chutt, ok, I'm going into mythsetup again, I'll tell you exactly what I have in there... in mythsetup -> capture cards I have a single card which has Card type: MPEG-2 Encoder card (PVR-250, PVR-350), Video device: /dev/v4l/video0, Default input: Tuner 0
[00:36:00] mchou: Keith2: if you got a frys near where you live I think that's better than newegg.
[00:36:00] o_O: whats wrong in that?
[00:36:00] Keith2: no frys near me, best buy pwned my state
[00:36:00] abarbaccia: lol
[00:36:00] abarbaccia: he said pwned
[00:36:00] kormoc: Keith2, newegg is fine imho
[00:36:00] Chutt: if those are the actual settings, there's absolutely no way you can be getting that error.
[00:37:00] kormoc: zomg, abarbaccia's been pwned by pwned!
[00:37:00] mchou: Keith2: lol. Now that's sad.
[00:37:00] mchou: Keith2: Best Buy is worst buy.
[00:37:00] Keith2: mchou- i know
[00:37:00] mchou: even circuit city is better than them.
[00:37:00] abarbaccia: it is sad- Keith2 your from newyork
[00:37:00] o_O: Chutt, I'm just reading what I see in mythbackend... its also saying 2005-07–11 20:36:14.512 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[00:38:00] mchou: Keith2: you from NY?
[00:38:00] abarbaccia: im going with yes – based on the optimum online
[00:38:00] abarbaccia: probably lower- maybe longisland area or westchester
[00:39:00] dh1: abarbaccia: that made my life so much easier :)
[00:39:00] mchou: hell, nyc gotta have deals :)
[00:39:00] Keith2: keith2= nj
[00:39:00] abarbaccia: ur welcome – glad it helped
[00:39:00] jonK: I was in NYC last week
[00:39:00] mchou: Keith2: haha, you live by Tony Soprano?
[00:39:00] kormoc: Keith2, I'm sorry.
[00:39:00] jonK: and I was in NJ
[00:39:00] Keith2: pleae, tony soprano pwned my neighborhood worse than worse buy
[00:40:00] abarbaccia: im a long island boy myself – i am working on a co-op in MD this summer tho
[00:40:00] jonK: Shrewsbury to be specific
[00:40:00] Keith2: nj is great if you know where to live
[00:40:00] o_O: so any ideas on what could possibly cause that?
[00:40:00] mchou: Keith2: back of the truck pls :)
[00:40:00] Beirdo: Keith2: please tell me you're not in Newark?
[00:40:00] kormoc: Keith2, lies! unless you mean south end :P
[00:40:00] Keith2: no
[00:40:00] Keith2: bout 20 mintues from newark
[00:40:00] mchou: lol
[00:40:00] Beirdo: OK, a bit better
[00:40:00] Keith2: im in the central jersey
[00:40:00] Keith2: and yes
[00:40:00] Keith2: there is a central jersey
[00:40:00] Keith2: we're not hicks
[00:40:00] mchou: Keith2: that sucks
[00:40:00] Beirdo: 20 min on the turnpike?
[00:40:00] kormoc: meh, central isn't bad, but it isn't good
[00:40:00] Keith2: or dirty polluted surburban monkeys
[00:40:00] Beirdo: that would put you still in Newark :)
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[00:41:00] Keith2: newark is not as big as you think. lol
[00:41:00] mchou: I agree w/ Beirdo.
[00:41:00] Beirdo: judging by the traffic shen I was down there
[00:41:00] Keith2: theres a lot of us non newark central rats
[00:41:00] Keith2: err rhumans
[00:41:00] Keith2: lol
[00:41:00] mchou: Western Jersey is more civilized.
[00:41:00] Beirdo: 20 min barely gets you from the bridge to the airport
[00:41:00] Keith2: oh please
[00:41:00] mchou: anyway, NJ is a waste of a state.
[00:41:00] kormoc: mchou, that's the spill over from PA
[00:41:00] Beirdo: a lot of NJ is a nice place, I've heard
[00:41:00] kormoc: NJ's drivers suck tho
[00:42:00] Beirdo: I won't judge the entire state by Newark & Elizabeth
[00:42:00] mchou: Garden State, more like Toxic Dump State.....
[00:42:00] abarbaccia: please with the traffic – i live on long island when im at home (trafffic sucks) in between baltimore and DC at work (even worse) and don't have a car at school – and walking is slower than both...sometimes
[00:42:00] Keith2: mock nj all you want
[00:42:00] Keith2: its never as bad as the entirity of the south
[00:42:00] kormoc: I can't count how many times I've been almost hit by someone running a red light
[00:42:00] abarbaccia: ehhh – you see – almost
[00:42:00] Beirdo: Keith2: I disagree there... :) but still :)
[00:42:00] abarbaccia: but never really hit – no harm no foul
[00:42:00] Beirdo: more Jersey dudes in the channel is a good thing
[00:42:00] Keith2: lol yea
[00:42:00] kormoc: abarbaccia, at times it's cause I had a truck and didn't mind driving on the sidewalk when required.
[00:42:00] mchou: You go into NJ and all adresses are based of Turnpikes :)
[00:42:00] Beirdo: where's D-side hiding, I wanted to mock him
[00:42:00] abarbaccia: hahaha
[00:43:00] Keith2 is now known as KeithNJPride
[00:43:00] abarbaccia: LOL
[00:43:00] mchou: NJ apparently doesnt have streets :)
[00:43:00] Beirdo: He's central Jersey too
[00:43:00] KeithNJPride: oh we do
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[00:43:00] kormoc: well, at lest NJ doesn't have amish.
[00:43:00] Beirdo: mchou: you are being silly
[00:43:00] KeithCentralJers: damn
[00:43:00] KeithCentralJers is now known as KeithNJPride
[00:44:00] KeithNJPride: lol
[00:44:00] KeithNJPride: yes no luddites
[00:44:00] rah: ok, mythtv seems to be the only decent dvb application
[00:44:00] mchou: They whole damn state consists of turnpikes.
[00:44:00] Beirdo: rah rah rah!
[00:44:00] rah: in fact, the only dvb application
[00:44:00] Beirdo: heh, had to be done
[00:44:00] kormoc: mchou, and casinos
[00:44:00] mchou: nah, that's onlky AC.
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[00:44:00] Beirdo: kormoc: and don't forget... a convenient target for NYC to mock
[00:44:00] mchou: another armpit.
[00:45:00] kormoc: mchou, AC is a good chunk of NJ
[00:45:00] Beirdo: mind you, they are seeing the armpit of NJ
[00:45:00] kormoc: AC isn't that bad
[00:45:00] mchou: huh???
[00:45:00] kormoc: spent my last weekend on the east coast in AC
[00:45:00] KeithNJPride: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819112187
[00:45:00] rah: Chutt: feature request: decouple programs from channels in the scheduler
[00:45:00] KeithNJPride: abar- is that good?
[00:45:00] kormoc: getting free drinks and playing blackjack all night long
[00:45:00] Chutt: err, they are.
[00:45:00] mchou: kormoc: you clearly dont know what you're talking about.
[00:45:00] kormoc: mchou, ooh? why's that?
[00:45:00] abarbaccia: KeithNJPride, yea- i have the 325 which is a step down so you'll def be fine
[00:45:00] mchou: AC is crime capital of the east.
[00:46:00] kormoc: no it's not
[00:46:00] Beirdo: blah blah blah
[00:46:00] rah: Chutt: I have 2 cards that can receieve the same channels, but the scheduler treats programs from the different cards as though they are seperate
[00:46:00] Beirdo: I thought Camden was?
[00:46:00] KeithNJPride: coolness. its cheap too- 82
[00:46:00] Chutt: then you have it setup wrong.
[00:46:00] KeithNJPride: right?
[00:46:00] abarbaccia: um, and KeithNJPride you dont need to buy the retail if the OEM is cheaper
[00:46:00] KeithNJPride: coolness
[00:46:00] mchou: AC is full of slums just a few yards from casinos.
[00:46:00] KeithNJPride: itll work with the mobo you suggested?
[00:46:00] kormoc: mchou, hell, philly is way more then AC, and pittsburg is worse then philly, and then there's NYC way up there too...
[00:46:00] rah: Chutt: what needs to match?
[00:46:00] abarbaccia: KeithNJPride, indeed
[00:46:00] Chutt: callsign, or just have them use the same videosource like most people do
[00:46:00] mchou: kormoc: you are outta your depth.
[00:47:00] KeithNJPride: i dont think newegg has the oem
[00:47:00] kormoc: mchou, if you call them slums, I guess you call most of Seattle as slums.
[00:47:00] Beirdo: and let's not forget Washington DC where even the mayor was on crack.
[00:47:00] rah: Chutt: they're different video sources
[00:47:00] mchou: look up the crime states.
[00:47:00] kormoc: mchou, hrm? let's see you prove it.
[00:47:00] rah: Chutt: one is analogue, the other is digital
[00:47:00] mchou: stats*
[00:47:00] Chutt: then the callsigns need to match
[00:47:00] kormoc: mchou, no, your trun to look it up.
[00:47:00] rah: ok
[00:47:00] ** rah updates his DB **
[00:47:00] Chutt: which, i believe, is documented in several places
[00:47:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[00:47:00] mchou: kormoc: you're really so full of crap.
[00:47:00] rah: Chutt: there's documentation?!
[00:47:00] rah: :)
[00:47:00] kormoc: mchou, so full of crap that you can't proove the shit that comes out of your mouth?
[00:47:00] Chutt: yeah, crazy
[00:48:00] mchou: anyone who's lived back east know AC is to be avoided.
[00:48:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[00:48:00] kormoc: maybe to pansys like you, but it's not that bad in the least.
[00:48:00] mchou: hah!
[00:48:00] Beirdo: hehe, you two need a boxing ring.
[00:48:00] kormoc: I've been in way worse in the middle of bumfuck pa :)
[00:48:00] mchou: that tells me you only been to casinos in AC.
[00:48:00] kormoc: Beirdo, hehe, he did start it, like usual :)
[00:48:00] ** kormoc shakes his head **
[00:48:00] mchou: not on the real streets in AC.
[00:49:00] kormoc: I've been in Vegas.
[00:49:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[00:49:00] iggy: he is quite an argumentative bastard isn't he
[00:49:00] ** Beirdo happily lives in Toronto where it's safe pretty much everywhere. **
[00:49:00] kormoc: dude, I lived in AC for a summer
[00:49:00] Beirdo: well, not really happily
[00:49:00] rah: Chutt: can I make some constructive criticism without being kicked?
[00:49:00] kormoc: I really do know AC rather well.
[00:49:00] Chutt: nope
[00:49:00] Beirdo: hehe
[00:49:00] KeithNJPride: abar you still here? i decided to take this one since i cant find an oem version
[00:49:00] rah: Chutt: the user interface is a nightmare
[00:49:00] KeithNJPride: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . nnerCata=343
[00:49:00] Chutt: so fix it
[00:50:00] rah: I would if I had the time
[00:50:00] iggy: Finish Him!!!
[00:50:00] mchou: kormoc: http://www.ncalg.org/Library/Facts and Answers/Atlantic City crime facts.pdf
[00:50:00] Chutt: and you think i do?
[00:50:00] rah: umm
[00:50:00] rah: don't you maintain myth any more?
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[00:50:00] kormoc: mchou, 404, file not found
[00:50:00] Chutt: sure, but i don't have time to customize the ui for every single user :p
[00:50:00] iggy: that doesn't mean he has unlimited time
[00:50:00] mchou: kormoc: look at the crime index.
[00:50:00] rah: :/
[00:51:00] mchou: kormoc: the whole link includes spaces.
[00:51:00] rah: Chutt: I'm not talking about how I want the UI to be
[00:51:00] kormoc: mchou, so the national coalition against legalized gambling is the place you expect to find 'facts' that won't be biased? wow
[00:51:00] PoonJ: hey mchou: do you have a pcHDTV-3000 card? the problem I'm having is that it doesn't seem to record on a consistent basis...I don't know if its because of my signal or the card itself. however, when I watch live tv, everything seems fine...
[00:51:00] Chutt: then what were you talking about?
[00:52:00] rah: Chutt: good UI design
[00:52:00] PoonJ: mchou: I have no idea where to start looking into that one
[00:52:00] mchou: kormoc: look where the crime stats came from, the FBI.
[00:52:00] Chutt: rah Chutt: I'm not talking about how I want the UI to be
[00:52:00] rah: Chutt: ie, in general, applied to mythtv in this
[00:52:00] Chutt: so, uhm
[00:52:00] iggy: there is no such thing as "good ui design"
[00:52:00] rah: instance
[00:52:00] rah: O_o
[00:52:00] iggy: everybody has different tastes
[00:52:00] rah: lol
[00:52:00] mchou: kormoc: "Based on 2001 FBI Crime reports"
[00:53:00] rah: I'm not talking about taste
[00:53:00] rah: I'm talking about what Human Computer Interaction scientists say
[00:53:00] Chutt: all common 'ui design' ideas go right out the window if you're limited to a remote.
[00:53:00] Chutt: which most of the myth ui is
[00:53:00] kormoc: mchou, http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html
[00:53:00] rah: mmm
[00:53:00] rah: on that
[00:53:00] rah: how do I get the UI to display using DirectFB?
[00:53:00] iggy: don't start, it's really not worth it
[00:53:00] kormoc: mchou, as of 2002, AC wasn't even on the top 50
[00:54:00] Chutt: fix qt to run on directfb
[00:54:00] iggy: oh, I thought you were going that other direction
[00:54:00] rah: :/
[00:54:00] kormoc: mchou, http://www.cpja.ag.state.hi.us/rs/cih/cityrates98.html
[00:54:00] rah: Chutt: what's the point of having directfb support?
[00:54:00] mchou: kormoc: http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2001b/pr401-01.html
[00:54:00] kormoc: mchou, from 1995 to 1998 it wasn't in the top 15 nationwide.
[00:54:00] rah: if the UI only works on X?
[00:54:00] Chutt: rah, someone added it?
[00:54:00] Chutt: and the UI runs fine on qt/e
[00:54:00] rah: Chutt: why did you let them?
[00:54:00] mchou: NYC is one of the safest cities.
[00:54:00] Chutt: which works on directfb, mostly.
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[00:55:00] rah: O_o
[00:55:00] Chutt: because they wanted to add it, and it doesn't hurt anything?
[00:55:00] rah: by "fix" did you mean hack, or configure?
[00:55:00] rah: Complexity is the inverse of reliability.
[00:55:00] Chutt: no, i meant 'it has some issues, and would probably need to be fixed'
[00:55:00] mchou: kormoc: 1998?? please. that's almost 10 yrs ago.
[00:55:00] kormoc: mchou, looks like you're still having issues with simple math.
[00:55:00] rah: adding directfb support increased the complexity of mythtv
[00:55:00] Chutt: rah, right, since adding an additional output display method using a common interface really adds to the complexity
[00:56:00] Chutt: it didn't in the slightest
[00:56:00] rah: well
[00:56:00] mchou: kormoc: I said almost.
[00:56:00] rah: I spent some time compiling mythtv with directfb support
[00:56:00] kormoc: mchou, http://www.fbi.gov/filelink.html?file=/ucr/2004/04prelim.pdf
[00:56:00] mchou: kormoc: all the stats I posted are more recent than yours.
[00:56:00] rah: when there was no point because it isn't usable
[00:56:00] Chutt: that's your problem, not mine or myth's
[00:57:00] rah: so the directfb output is misleading
[00:57:00] rah: heh
[00:57:00] kormoc: mchou, 2004's fbi's preliminary nationwide criminal stats
[00:57:00] rah: [23:55] <Chutt> because they wanted to add it, and it doesn't hurt anything?
[00:57:00] rah: it does hurt something
[00:57:00] Chutt: no, it doesn't
[00:57:00] Chutt: you have to explicitly enable it
[00:57:00] rah: ...
[00:57:00] kormoc: mchou, http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm full 2003 report
[00:58:00] Chutt: which you did, without researching what else you'd need to do to get it running on directfb
[00:58:00] rah: Chutt: what sources of information should I have researched?
[00:58:00] Chutt: mailing list
[00:58:00] rah: I see
[00:58:00] iggy: start with the mailing list posts where it first saw life
[00:59:00] Chutt: unless someone's collected that information elsewhere
[00:59:00] Chutt: which i wouldn't know about
[01:00:00] ** rah makes a note to ignore all documentation and only pay attention to the mailing lists **
[01:00:00] Chutt: there's nothing in the docs about directfb
[01:00:00] mchou: kormoc: http://www.delmar.edu/socsci/rlong/data/Crime . . . 2003-t-2.htm
[01:00:00] Chutt: so, uh, of course you'd have to look elsewhere.
[01:00:00] kormoc: mchou, read what the fbi report says
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[01:01:00] mchou: kormoc: that conclusively proves that you dont know what you are talking about.
[01:01:00] kormoc: or the fbi I take it as well?
[01:01:00] kormoc: you can mangle stats all you want
[01:01:00] kormoc: the fbi's report says in their opinion, it's not true
[01:01:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[01:01:00] ** rah makes adds to his note: only refer to documentation when using a default configuration **
[01:01:00] mchou: kormoc: the source I cite is from the FBI.
[01:01:00] mchou: look at the top of the chart.
[01:02:00] kormoc: I linked you directly to the fbi report
[01:02:00] kormoc: not some chart some middle schooler made up
[01:02:00] Beirdo: and one of his sources was the FBI report, mchou, get a clue
[01:02:00] mchou: kormoc: Source: FBI's Uniform Crime Report, 2003
[01:02:00] Beirdo: maybe we should just leave it alone :)
[01:02:00] kormoc: yeah, I'm done :P
[01:03:00] kormoc: mchou, one last thing: <kormoc> mchou, http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm full 2003 report
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[01:03:00] mchou: kormoc: lol. Read that report and tell me AC does not appear in top 10.
[01:03:00] djpere: Do you think you could use a LCD montier as a screen ?
[01:03:00] ** kormoc ponders if he could mangle stats to get Lancaster, PA the most violent city based on amish violence. **
[01:04:00] kormoc: mchou, it doesn't.
[01:04:00] rah: I have redundant program information in my database
[01:04:00] mchou: kormoc, look up the crime rate.
[01:04:00] rah: is it possible to delete all program data and keep recording schedules?
[01:04:00] rah: and then refill the database?
[01:05:00] Chutt: usually, yes.
[01:05:00] rah: k
[01:05:00] Chutt: but it doesn't always work :p
[01:05:00] rah: and would program information be stored in the "program" table only?
[01:05:00] Chutt: no, there's a few other related tables
[01:06:00] rah: namely?
[01:06:00] Chutt: they start with 'program'
[01:06:00] Chutt: should be pretty obvious
[01:06:00] rah: I mean stuff that comes from xmltv
[01:06:00] Chutt: ...
[01:06:00] rah: ie, the bulk of a mythfilldatabase
[01:07:00] rah: does that just go in program?
[01:07:00] Chutt: no
[01:07:00] Chutt: there's a few other related tables.
[01:07:00] rah: ok
[01:07:00] Chutt: why am i repeating myself?
[01:07:00] rah: because there was ambiguity
[01:07:00] Chutt: how so?
[01:07:00] Beirdo: rah: here's a quarter, please buy yourself a clue.
[01:07:00] rah: "program information" was undefined
[01:08:00] Chutt: i said exactly the same thing as i said before
[01:08:00] mchou: kormoc: I dunno what you are talking about. Atlantic city is right here: http://www.fbi.gov/filelink.html?file=/ucr/ci . . . /03tbl06.xls
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[01:08:00] rah: indeed
[01:08:00] Chutt: where else would 'program information' come from?
[01:08:00] rah: but I qualified "program information" further prior to you repeating
[01:08:00] rah: hence your repeated information was more specific
[01:09:00] kormoc: mchou, that's a alphebetically sorted list, you need to sort it based on the crime stats and then puill the number.
[01:09:00] Chutt: not really
[01:09:00] mchou: Kormoc: use the excel spreadsheet to figure out crime rate (reports/population)
[01:09:00] rah: O_o
[01:09:00] kormoc: I'll leave you to figure out how to do that as a intelectual excercize.
[01:10:00] mchou: kormoc: that's why I gave you the .edu link, AC is 2nd acoording to that.
[01:10:00] kormoc: cause this conversation has dumbed myself down the the point of not being able to spell...
[01:10:00] mchou: kormoc: I've proven you have no idea what you're talking bout.
[01:10:00] kormoc: mchou, the point of the matter is, it all depends on how you weight the data, there's no proving anything and for you tring to aruge any stat as a fact just proves you don't know shit about them.
[01:11:00] mchou: kormoc: lol.
[01:11:00] iggy: STFU
[01:11:00] Beirdo: mchou: you have once again shown yourself to the world as an opinionated person who doesn't do the research
[01:11:00] iggy: you too!
[01:11:00] Beirdo: can we PLEASE just drop it?
[01:11:00] kormoc: it's dropped.
[01:11:00] mchou: QED.
[01:12:00] mchou: what a bullshit artist.
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[01:13:00] Uberbot2: Hi all.
[01:14:00] rah: Chutt: what encoding does myth use to transmit video to clients?
[01:16:00] mchou: Beirdo: wtf you talking about? I've done the research. http://www.delmar.edu/socsci/rlong/data/Crime . . . 2003-t-2.htm
[01:16:00] mchou: Beirdo: it cant get any clearer than that.
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[01:16:00] MonMotha: whatever it was recorded in
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[01:16:00] Beirdo: mchou: drop it.
[01:16:00] MonMotha: which is usually MPEG2 for hardware encoders/DVB and MPEG4 for software encoded content
[01:17:00] rah: MonMotha: k
[01:17:00] rah: MonMotha: thanks
[01:17:00] rah: MonMotha: does the same codec library do MPEG2 and 4?
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[01:18:00] rah: (ie, the one which mythtv uses)
[01:18:00] MonMotha: depends on how you have it configure
[01:18:00] rah: I see
[01:18:00] rah: is there a library that does both/
[01:18:00] MonMotha: you can use a PVR-350 for hardware decoding of MPEG2, but not MPEG4
[01:18:00] rah: ?
[01:19:00] MonMotha: I believe by default ffmpeg gets used unless you say to use libmpeg2
[01:19:00] rah: (ignoring hardware for the moment)
[01:19:00] rah: ffmpeg does 2 and 4?
[01:19:00] MonMotha: yes
[01:19:00] rah: cool
[01:19:00] rah: thanks
[01:19:00] Uberbot2: Can anyone tell me how to add a channel to Myth that is NOT in the line-up that I get from zap2it?
[01:19:00] rah: http://rose.arb.bash.sh/~rah/technology-at-its-best.png
[01:19:00] rah: btw
[01:20:00] Beirdo: OK, time to go home.
[01:20:00] MonMotha: Uberbot2: easiest way is to run mythtv-setup, go to the channel editor, and add it
[01:21:00] MonMotha: rah: what's so special about that?
[01:21:00] rah: MonMotha: it wasn't possible 10 years ago :)
[01:22:00] rah: and it severely kicks ass :)
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[01:22:00] MonMotha: well, it was, just with very different technology (aka "stack of VCRs")
[01:22:00] rah: indeed
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[01:22:00] phi0x: hey guys, I have a long question, well a series of questions and I want to post it because it is quite lengthy for IRC
[01:22:00] rah: no program information tho
[01:22:00] rah: no EPG
[01:22:00] Uberbot2: When I go to mythtv-setup, I can create *A* channel, but unless I know the xmltv id, I don't think I'll be able to tune to it...
[01:22:00] rah: no hard disk recording
[01:22:00] phi0x: how do I post it on mythtv forum/mailing list
[01:22:00] rah: no network distribution
[01:22:00] MonMotha: rah: 10 years ago there was guide data available...it was called the TV guide :)
[01:23:00] rah: MonMotha: yeah
[01:23:00] rah: MonMotha: it was on paper
[01:23:00] phi0x: they still have that its on channel 2
[01:23:00] rah: MonMotha: it wasn't a technology :)
[01:23:00] phi0x: lol
[01:23:00] MonMotha: yeah, and you could program it into your VCR
[01:23:00] MonMotha: network distribution, aka sneakernet moving the tape to another VCR :)
[01:23:00] rah: I think you're missing the point..
[01:23:00] phi0x: ;p
[01:23:00] rah: or just being argumentative
[01:23:00] rah: grrr
[01:23:00] phi0x: so where can i submit a long question?
[01:23:00] MonMotha: no, I'm just being stupid :)
[01:24:00] MonMotha: I'm just trying to point out that the modern PVR is more evolution than revolution
[01:24:00] rah: well, I don't just mean the PVR
[01:24:00] phi0x: can someone read my post on another site but its regarding mythtv questions
[01:24:00] phi0x: http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=s . . . mp;subpage=1
[01:24:00] rah: DVB is kick ass too
[01:24:00] rah: way beyond what came before it
[01:24:00] MonMotha: heh
[01:24:00] phi0x: can someone msg me with the answers to my post
[01:24:00] ** rah hugs DVB **
[01:24:00] MonMotha: digital TV is largely unknown in the US
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[01:25:00] MonMotha: I know one other person with a DTV receiver
[01:25:00] MonMotha: I'm curious though, is most DVB content HD or not?
[01:25:00] rah: they's missin' out
[01:25:00] MonMotha: not really, most US broadcasters mess their digital TV up so bad that it's almost pointless
[01:25:00] rah: DVB is pretty widespread in the UK now
[01:25:00] phi0x: i get some ota broadcasts here in canada
[01:25:00] phi0x: pick up mostly 1 channel
[01:25:00] rah: dunno about HD
[01:25:00] phi0x: its at 480i ;/
[01:26:00] phi0x: what HDTV channels OTA are 720p or 1080i?
[01:26:00] phi0x: in US
[01:26:00] phi0x: are there alot of the OTA channels in 720p/1080i?
[01:26:00] MonMotha: phi0x: ABC, FOX, and PBS do 720p, NBC, CBS, and I think UPN do 1080i
[01:26:00] MonMotha: basically all the networks do HD
[01:27:00] phi0x: well im in canada
[01:27:00] phi0x: im on coast
[01:27:00] phi0x: and i pick up like shopping network
[01:27:00] phi0x: 480i
[01:27:00] phi0x: lol
[01:27:00] MonMotha: but most of their content is upconverted from old stuff, so it doesn't look much better (except for PBSHD)
[01:27:00] phi0x: and most of time its like asian programs on the channel or spanish then switches to shopping network programs on the channel lol
[01:28:00] phi0x: can you answer my post questions
[01:28:00] phi0x: http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=s . . . mp;subpage=1
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[01:28:00] phi0x: it would help clear up some things which i think are important ;/
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[01:28:00] MonMotha: also, they ALWAYS broadcast widescreen (even thought he ATSC spec lets them change their PID info to say it's 4:3), so some of them barndoor 4:3 content (losing resoution and making 4:3 TV users zoom it to fullscreen, if they can), some stretch it (screwing 4:3 users again, and makign some 16:9 users who can't override and don't like ugly aspect ratios unhappy)
[01:29:00] phi0x: like for instance, why don't they make a tv tuner that u can directly hook up your direct tv satellite signal into to
[01:29:00] MonMotha: the worst though has to be my local NBC affiliate (WTHR). They take 4:3 content and stretch it, but not all the way out to 16:9. If they stretched it all the way, I could override it back to 4:3, but since it's not fully stretched (still barn doored some on the sides), it's wrong at either setting
[01:29:00] MonMotha: phi0x: they do, but they only work in Europe and in the US on FTA channels
[01:29:00] phi0x: or where it can change the channel on the reciever
[01:29:00] MonMotha: look up DVB-S
[01:29:00] phi0x: ya i saw DVB stuff before
[01:29:00] MonMotha: there is some DVB-S content in the US (discovery HD is available free, supposedly)
[01:30:00] phi0x: but i thought thats just the type of setup the Europeans have
[01:30:00] MonMotha: DVB is the european standard for digital TV, but it gets used in the US for satellite as well
[01:30:00] phi0x: and only a few tv tuners can access DVB right
[01:30:00] MonMotha: actually, I believe Dish network is DVB-S, but you can't get anything to decrypt it without using their STB
[01:30:00] MonMotha: you have to buy a DVB-S tuner
[01:30:00] phi0x: ya
[01:30:00] MonMotha: you can get decent ones for $150
[01:31:00] MonMotha: no worse than an ATSC tuner
[01:31:00] phi0x: well i dont need that
[01:31:00] phi0x: i first bought ati's hdtv wonder about 11 months ago
[01:31:00] PoonJ: MonMotha: I'm having a problem with recording using my pcHDTV-3000. For some reason, it doesn't seem to record on a consistent basis...I don't know if its because of my signal or the card itself. however, when I watch live tv to test it out, everything seems fine...
[01:31:00] phi0x: thinking id be able to get hdtv or at least best analog picture possible
[01:31:00] MonMotha: that isn't supported in Linux, though I know they're working on it
[01:31:00] phi0x: then i found out that it doesnt have built in mpeg2 encoder and its actually shitty analog
[01:31:00] MonMotha: and most DTV tuners have HORRIBLE analog capture
[01:31:00] phi0x: after i spent 300$
[01:31:00] phi0x: lol
[01:31:00] MonMotha: yeah, you should have researched before buying
[01:31:00] phi0x: i did a bit
[01:31:00] phi0x: it was when it first came out
[01:31:00] PoonJ: MonMotha: the weird thing is, I was able to record a show last night
[01:32:00] phi0x: and i was like ok i need best quality
[01:32:00] MonMotha: PoonJ: sounds like a signal issue
[01:32:00] phi0x: so ill spend most money to get it
[01:32:00] MonMotha: phi0x: failure to research is your fault
[01:32:00] PoonJ: MonMotha: okay
[01:32:00] phi0x: then i find out that i cant even use the hdtv tuner part because its OTA and i didnt know there was a difference between QAM and OTA
[01:32:00] phi0x: so now i cant even pay shaw cable company to put on a hdtv channel
[01:32:00] MonMotha: the ATi card isn't even supported in Linux, at least not yet (there's been some work recently to make it work with the DVB stuff)
[01:32:00] MonMotha: phi0x: you couldn't anyway, it would be encrypted
[01:33:00] phi0x: and then hook up my ati hdtv wonder directly to my cable
[01:33:00] MonMotha: the pcHDTV can tune QAM256 (digital cable), but it's all encrypted and does you no good
[01:33:00] phi0x: yeah i know its not supported sine ive tried it in linux
[01:33:00] phi0x: heh
[01:33:00] PoonJ: MonMotha: is there any way to decrypt the signal?
[01:33:00] MonMotha: again, this makes digital TV suck how? sounds like you just didn't bother to do your homework
[01:33:00] MonMotha: PoonJ: if cable cards worked in linux, sure
[01:33:00] phi0x: well i dont have digital cable
[01:33:00] phi0x: i got normal cable
[01:33:00] MonMotha: but nothing in linux currently accepts a cable card
[01:33:00] phi0x: no stb
[01:34:00] PoonJ: MonMotha: I see...
[01:34:00] MonMotha: phi0x: then you need a good analog tuner, not a DTV tuner
[01:34:00] phi0x: thats why i thought i could buy a hdtv channel
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[01:34:00] phi0x: then use the ati hdtv to watch them through my cable
[01:34:00] phi0x: but since its a OTA tuner
[01:34:00] MonMotha: correct
[01:34:00] phi0x: it wont even see any QAM channels
[01:34:00] MonMotha: yeah
[01:35:00] phi0x: so now if i buy a fusion 5 or pcHDTV tuner
[01:35:00] MonMotha: you didn't know this?
[01:35:00] MonMotha: there's also the Air2PC, supposedly works OK
[01:35:00] MonMotha: but again, no digital acble for you
[01:35:00] phi0x: i might be able to use it but not if i buy digital cable and certain channels are encrypted
[01:35:00] MonMotha: it's going to be encrypted
[01:35:00] phi0x: they really need to smarten up the whole tv/cable/digital scene companies
[01:35:00] MonMotha: the local broadcasters shoudl be in the clear, but you usually get better quality (if you can pick it up) with an antenna anyway
[01:35:00] phi0x: need to figure out solutions
[01:35:00] MonMotha: most cable companies seem to be reencoding their local broadcasters
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[01:36:00] MonMotha: they have figured out solutions
[01:36:00] phi0x: and then have a company that makes all the standards
[01:36:00] phi0x: well the solutions really suck most of em
[01:36:00] MonMotha: OTA uses 8VSB and is unencrypted, cable uses QAM256 and is usually encrypted, but cable cards(not supported in linux) are available, sat uses DigiCipher II, or, more commonly DVB-S
[01:36:00] phi0x: you should be able to buy a tv tuner and plug it in ur computer, then plug in your cable, digital cable, satellite feed
[01:36:00] MonMotha: sat is sometimes, but not always encrypted
[01:36:00] phi0x: then the tuner should be able to change channels on STBs
[01:36:00] MonMotha: phi0x: no, you shouldn
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[01:36:00] MonMotha: the modulation schemes are totally different
[01:37:00] MonMotha: and there's a good reason for that
[01:37:00] MonMotha: with cable, you can guarantee a much better signal/noise ratio than terrestrial broadcast or sat, so you might as well take advantage of it and deliver more content
[01:37:00] phi0x: well why shouldnt they be able to make something like that
[01:37:00] phi0x: it would be so much easier for end user
[01:37:00] MonMotha: sat you have to deal with nasty phase shift, but usually decent SNR
[01:37:00] phi0x: yeah
[01:37:00] MonMotha: terrestrial has horrible SNR, but often minimal phase shift
[01:38:00] MonMotha: you can get cards that do cable and OTA, at least for ATSC lan
[01:38:00] MonMotha: d
[01:38:00] phi0x: ya
[01:38:00] MonMotha: I dunno if DVB cards are available that do DVB-T and DVB-C
[01:38:00] phi0x: all i know is that some company should make a solution that can access all these forms
[01:38:00] phi0x: id pay 500$ for a card that can do all that
[01:38:00] phi0x: its well worth it
[01:38:00] MonMotha: DVB-S is very different from the others, IIRC it uses PSK rather than OFDM, VSB, or QAM
[01:39:00] MonMotha: your'e in the minority, since you could get three cards that would handle each of the three for less $$$
[01:39:00] phi0x: ya i don't know what all those mean
[01:39:00] MonMotha: and you'd be able to tune three things at once
[01:39:00] phi0x: yeah
[01:39:00] phi0x: but im just saying they should make a card that accepts all these setups, cable, digital cable, satellite
[01:39:00] phi0x: and should be able to change stb channels without ir blasters
[01:40:00] MonMotha: it would be incredibly expensive, especially since the tuning ranges required for terrestrial/cable and sat are completely different, even once the LNB is taken into account
[01:40:00] phi0x: thats what the new recievers and tuners should be aiming for
[01:40:00] MonMotha: some STBs you can change without IR blasters, the cable companies and sat companies usually disable it
[01:40:00] phi0x: just make the card big enough or something
[01:40:00] MonMotha: they want to sell you their own PVR
[01:40:00] phi0x: yeah i know
[01:40:00] phi0x: then u pay fee's too
[01:40:00] phi0x: lol
[01:40:00] MonMotha: yeah, they love it
[01:40:00] phi0x: and u cant even save the stuff to hd
[01:40:00] phi0x: *hard drive
[01:41:00] phi0x: it all gets saved inside the box
[01:41:00] phi0x: lol
[01:41:00] MonMotha: well, the PVR box they give you has a hard drive
[01:41:00] phi0x: yeah but you can't edit things on it
[01:41:00] MonMotha: but yes, they love it. They keep control and get to charge you $15/mo more
[01:41:00] MonMotha: I'm very tempted to get a DVB-S card and see if I can pick up discovery HD
[01:41:00] MonMotha: I have a dish I could use, but no LNB
[01:41:00] phi0x: yeah i want discovery HD
[01:41:00] phi0x: looks cool
[01:42:00] phi0x: and so many of my friends have HDTV's and no hd reception
[01:42:00] MonMotha: it's free off DVB-S. I can look up the sat and where to point your dish if you want
[01:42:00] phi0x: so everything looks pixelated
[01:42:00] phi0x: at first a year or two ago when i saw my friends
[01:42:00] MonMotha: it looks pixelated on an SDTV of the same size...
[01:42:00] phi0x: i was like wow that looks like crap
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[01:42:00] phi0x: all satellite/cable looks like crap on hdtv's lol
[01:42:00] MonMotha: atually, discovery HD is digicipher II...hum
[01:42:00] phi0x: inless u buy hdtv satellite reciever
[01:42:00] MonMotha: yes, because otherwise it's not HD!
[01:42:00] phi0x: ya
[01:43:00] phi0x: well im sure u can call cable/satellite company and say i want discovery hd
[01:43:00] MonMotha: hum, I don't know of any digicipher II computer tuners
[01:43:00] MonMotha: you can, but then you need an STB
[01:43:00] phi0x: ya
[01:43:00] phi0x: then u need IR blaster
[01:43:00] phi0x: ;/
[01:43:00] MonMotha: and with sat, you won't even be able to get at the HD feed
[01:43:00] MonMotha: cable you can at least use IEEE1394, and usually control it over that link
[01:43:00] phi0x: inless u buy hd satellite reciever
[01:43:00] MonMotha: no IR blaster needed
[01:43:00] MonMotha: no, the HD sat receivers usually only output component analog video, which is useless for a PVR
[01:43:00] phi0x: now what about this
[01:44:00] phi0x: you buy direct tv, with a hd reciever, you buy a QAM HDTV tuner with analog support
[01:44:00] phi0x: and u buy ir blaster
[01:44:00] phi0x: now can you watch the hdtv channels with the QAM tv tuner
[01:44:00] Discipulus: so what happens when you wanna use a Sat Reciever with a PVR?
[01:44:00] MonMotha: no, you can't
[01:44:00] phi0x: through the hd reciever
[01:45:00] MonMotha: the sat STB only outputs component video or DVI
[01:45:00] phi0x: but i thought QAM makes it so you can watch hdtv channels over the cable line
[01:45:00] phi0x: instead of OTA
[01:45:00] MonMotha: phi0x: correct, CABLE, not satellite
[01:45:00] MonMotha: you're not going to be hooking your satellite STB up to your TV via the cable line
[01:45:00] phi0x: when i say a cable i mean like a cable not cable as in company or service
[01:45:00] phi0x: i guess i should say coaxial
[01:45:00] MonMotha: there was a little box that DirecTV sold a while back that did what your'e asking (acutally, it used 8VSB as the output), but I dont believe it's sold anymore
[01:46:00] phi0x: well i make media centers for some ppl once in a while
[01:46:00] MonMotha: the sat recevier will output component analog video or DVI/HDMI
[01:46:00] phi0x: but so far its just for ppl with cable
[01:46:00] phi0x: and only analog tuners
[01:46:00] Discipulus: MonMotha, So what do I do? I have satellite....
[01:46:00] phi0x: i want to start making pvr's that can access digital cable or satellite feeds
[01:46:00] phi0x: like bell expressview
[01:46:00] MonMotha: both of which are rather useless for a PVR since there's no computer fast enough to encode that in real time. YOu'd need a rediculously expensive, and unsupported in linux, hardware encoder
[01:47:00] phi0x: for what
[01:47:00] MonMotha: phi0x: well, then your'e screwed because it's not really feasable due to the encryption
[01:47:00] phi0x: hdtv decoding
[01:47:00] MonMotha: it is in DVB land ebcause they have access cards
[01:47:00] MonMotha: god dammit, READ WHAT I'M SAYING
[01:47:00] Discipulus: bah, me feels ignored...
[01:47:00] phi0x: i am its very confusing
[01:47:00] MonMotha: the output of the sat STB is UNCOMPRESSED HD
[01:47:00] phi0x: thats what i thought at first
[01:48:00] phi0x: but then i thought there is a encrypted hdtv signal
[01:48:00] phi0x: which is QAM i thought
[01:48:00] MonMotha: often analog, so you'd not only need to reencode it (you're sure as hell not writing it to the HDD uncompressed), you'd have to re-digitize it, and that's fscking expensive
[01:48:00] MonMotha: CABLE TV uses QAM256, encrypted (usually)
[01:48:00] phi0x: so what do i need a super computer for to do whatever you were saying for HDTV
[01:48:00] MonMotha: there are tuners that can tune it (the pcHDTV, Fusion 5, or Air2PC), but it will be encrypted and useless
[01:48:00] Discipulus: MonMotha the output of the sat STB is UNCOMPRESSED HD
[01:48:00] Discipulus: MonMotha often analog, so you'd not only need to reencode it (you're sure as hell not writing it to the HDD uncompressed), you'd have to re-digitize it, and that's fscking expensive
[01:48:00] MonMotha: SATELLITE is usually DVB-S, but it's encrypted
[01:49:00] MonMotha: you can use an STB to decrypt it, and with CABLE you can pull the unencrypted output via IEEE1394 (this is an FCC requriement in the USA)
[01:49:00] MonMotha: with SATELLITE, the STB does not normally offer IEEE1394 or anything like that, but rather only outputs an uncompressed signal, which is useless for a PVR
[01:49:00] phi0x: so for my digital cable users with stb
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[01:49:00] MonMotha: the exception is FREE TO AIR SATELLITE, which you can tune using a DVB-S tuner
[01:50:00] phi0x: i can just make sure they have firewire port
[01:50:00] MonMotha: it will be unencrypted, and you can use that
[01:50:00] phi0x: then hook up the reciever to the pvr
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[01:50:00] MonMotha: however, nto ALL FTA SATELLITE is DVB-S. Most notably, Discovery HD Theater is Digicipher II (though unencrypted, apparently), which I know of no computer tuners for
[01:50:00] MonMotha: phi0x: correct, and make sure it's not disabled or downresed
[01:50:00] MonMotha: they're allowed to downres it, but not disable it com,pletely
[01:50:00] Discipulus: MonMotha, what about regular satellite, any justice there
[01:51:00] Discipulus: ???
[01:51:00] CyberKnet: Chutt: what video card did you end up getting for your new rig?
[01:51:00] phi0x: now ok lets say i have digital cable, got my stb, i have 4 tv tuners in the pvr, how can i set it so that i can record 3 shows and watch 1 all at same time?
[01:51:00] MonMotha: they can mak eyou pay more per month for the STB with the firewire port
[01:51:00] MonMotha: no
[01:51:00] MonMotha: you in fact need no TV tuner for this setup
[01:51:00] MonMotha: the STB is acting as the tuner
[01:51:00] phi0x: oh
[01:51:00] phi0x: well how do i record 3–4 channels at once
[01:51:00] phi0x: do i need 3–4 recievers then
[01:51:00] MonMotha: it's doing all the work and is feeding you MPEG2 at the output
[01:51:00] MonMotha: you need 3–4 STBs
[01:51:00] phi0x: k
[01:52:00] MonMotha: rather stupid, isn't it
[01:52:00] phi0x: so for digital cable you dont need tv tuners just firewire port
[01:52:00] Discipulus: so what good does MythTV do you?
[01:52:00] MonMotha: if linux ever gets cablecard support, we won't need this
[01:52:00] phi0x: inless you buy a tv tuner then have a ir blaster to change the channel you can do it that way to right?
[01:52:00] MonMotha: MythTV can talk to your cable box via IEEE1394 and pull the MPEG2, then write that to the HDD
[01:52:00] MonMotha: phi0x: you can do that, but then it will be SD
[01:52:00] phi0x: whats SD
[01:53:00] MonMotha: phi0x: with the DCT6000 series, you don't even need the IR blaste
[01:53:00] MonMotha: standard def, i.e. not hi-def
[01:53:00] Discipulus: MonMotha, You still haven't answered my Satellite question...
[01:53:00] MonMotha: Discipulus: analog sat?
[01:53:00] Discipulus: MonMotha, yea
[01:53:00] MonMotha: almost worthless to talk about these days as there are so few channels, but in theory you can use a couple downconverters and tune it as normal TV
[01:53:00] Discipulus: MonMotha, hmm, maybe not
[01:54:00] Discipulus: MonMotha, all I know is we haven't gotten a new satellite reciever in ages, and we payed around 400 dollars for the one we have now in the 90's
[01:54:00] MonMotha: there may be analog sat tuners that won't need the extra downconverter (just the LNB) and can control LNB polarity themselves
[01:54:00] Discipulus: MonMotha, it's an RCA, not sure if I have digital or analog satellite, it's through DirecTV though
[01:54:00] phi0x: ok so tell me now, what is capable for within 2500$ for building pvr and buying hardware like stb etc.. for recording HDTV not OTA just via sat or digital cable
[01:54:00] MonMotha: DVB-S has been in common since like 1997
[01:54:00] Discipulus: alright, we definetely got it before 1997
[01:55:00] MonMotha: phi0x: actually, you wouldn't even need to spend that much since you need no TV tuners
[01:55:00] phi0x: ok so what do i need
[01:55:00] MonMotha: satellite is pretty mcuh out of the question
[01:55:00] phi0x: so it can't be done satellite hdtv
[01:55:00] Discipulus: so you can't touch satellite with a MythTV box?
[01:55:00] MonMotha: you can try some of the FTA stuff, but it's minimal, and the good stuff seems to not be DVB-S for whatever reason
[01:55:00] phi0x: without the directtv hdtv tivo box
[01:55:00] MonMotha: Discipulus: not without using an STB
[01:55:00] MonMotha: and then you're stuck with SD
[01:56:00] Discipulus: I don't have an HDTV though...
[01:56:00] MonMotha: since you're redigitizing the output from the STB, you'll also have to control it with an IR blaster
[01:56:00] phi0x: boy they sure have made it complicated
[01:56:00] MonMotha: you don't need an HDTIVO box, just the regular STB will suffice, but again, no HD
[01:56:00] rah: I have DVB-S in a mythtv box
[01:56:00] phi0x: couldn't make it anymore fucked lol
[01:56:00] rah: and I've watched a FTA channel with it
[01:56:00] MonMotha: yes, DVB-S works, but in the US, DVB-S content is limited
[01:56:00] rah: ditto uk
[01:56:00] phi0x: its so easy to do but they do it all the hard way
[01:56:00] MonMotha: http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html
[01:56:00] rah: majority of it is scrambled
[01:56:00] Discipulus: bah, wth, why they gotta make this shit so difficult?
[01:56:00] MonMotha: there's the list of what you acn get
[01:56:00] Discipulus: fuck it
[01:56:00] Discipulus: I'll just buy a TiVo
[01:56:00] rah: even the stuff that's unscrambled but on digital terrestrial
[01:57:00] rah: silly..
[01:57:00] MonMotha: TiVo won't do much better unless it's a bundle from the provider anyway
[01:57:00] Discipulus: MonMotha, there is one that DirecTV offers
[01:57:00] MonMotha: rah: you guys have the advantage that you can get the decrypter cards and they are reasonably supported in Linux
[01:57:00] phi0x: if they could just all do it one way, have cable/sat/digital cable encoded in divx or some codec for high compression but full quality then have same for HDTV, then build a tv tuner that can access both the analog and digital signal from the cable or stb.
[01:57:00] phi0x: and wham its over
[01:57:00] phi0x: no more fuss
[01:57:00] MonMotha: cablecards (the US equvilent for cable) are unsupported, and I don't know any US sat provider that will sell you a card for their DVB-S
[01:57:00] phi0x: lol
[01:57:00] rah: MonMotha: pfft
[01:57:00] Discipulus: MonMotha, someone was saying that I could get a card reader and make the computer act like the reciever, any truth to that?
[01:58:00] MonMotha: phi0x: they all use MPEG2!
[01:58:00] rah: MonMotha: *pay*?
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[01:58:00] Keith2: so i think i got my myth box prepped
[01:58:00] Keith2: anyone wanna look over the hardware before i buy?
[01:58:00] MonMotha: Discipulus: for a cablecard? I hadn't heard of such a thing, but it's certainly possible when combined with a QAM256 tuner
[01:58:00] ** rah wants to h40r videoguard **
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[01:58:00] rah: h4x0r, too
[01:58:00] Discipulus: MonMotha, no, for DirecTV
[01:58:00] MonMotha: Discipulus: oh, again, maybe possible
[01:58:00] MonMotha: DirecTV uses DVB-S, just encrypted
[01:59:00] Discipulus: well, like I said, our shit is mad old
[01:59:00] phi0x: discipulus my friend here in canada had directtv, he had this old computer turned into a card saver so when the dtv signal came down to fry ppl's cards that were stealing their feed for free, it would fry a fake safeway or whatever card you put in the reciever, then in the computer reciever he built, it stored the real direct tv p3 card.
[01:59:00] MonMotha: phi0x: the issue isn't the video codec (it's MPEG2), the issue is that the modulation schemes are different, to account for the medium being used
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[01:59:00] rah: GRR
[01:59:00] rah: Chutt has lied
[01:59:00] CyberKnet: oh he has?
[01:59:00] KeithNJPride: PM me if you want to review my future myth box before i buy.
[01:59:00] Discipulus: phi0x, eh?
[02:00:00] CyberKnet: rah: please, enlighten us as to how Chutt has lied to you.
[02:00:00] MonMotha: the issue is that in the US, all the TV providers want to maintain a lock on both the signal and the hardware
[02:00:00] phi0x: discipulus: to answer your question, im sure you can make a computer reciever instead of using the directtv reciever, i was just telling you about a setup my friend had for his direct tv a few years ago.
[02:00:00] MonMotha: because they want to rent you the hardware, and disallow things liek commercial skip
[02:00:00] rah: CyberKnet:
[02:00:00] Discipulus: phi0x, ah, alright
[02:00:00] rah: [23:46] <rah> Chutt: I have 2 cards that can receieve the same channels, but the scheduler treats programs from the different cards as though they are seperate
[02:00:00] rah: [23:47] <Chutt> then the callsigns need to match
[02:00:00] MonMotha: so, they make it very difficult to do things in any standard way
[02:00:00] phi0x: im sure u would be able to use a similar setup to build a reciever
[02:01:00] rah: CyberKnet: the callsigns match
[02:01:00] Darby: I'm having a problem where mythbackend will lock up after some amount of time. My Mythbackend log has a bunch of crap like this in it:
[02:01:00] Darby: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7945950]qscale == 0
[02:01:00] Darby: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7945950]ac-tex damaged at 10 4
[02:01:00] Darby: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7945950]ac-tex damaged at 6 4
[02:01:00] Darby: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7945950]ac-tex damaged at 6 4
[02:01:00] Darby: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7945950]ac-tex damaged at 6 4
[02:01:00] Darby: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7945950]ac-tex damaged at 6 4
[02:01:00] Darby: any ideas?
[02:01:00] rah: CyberKnet: the scheduler is still treating them as seperate programs
[02:01:00] rah: Darby: bad reception
[02:01:00] phi0x: ya we should make a video company that has logical standards
[02:01:00] phi0x: does things logically
[02:01:00] MonMotha: phi0x: good luck...
[02:01:00] phi0x: has a world wide broadcast standard
[02:01:00] Darby: ok, cause I don't have an ir blaster yet, so it does try to record scrambled channels
[02:02:00] phi0x: what y ou mean good luck it makes perfect sense to make something that works around the world
[02:02:00] MonMotha: phi0x: with cable or sat? not really
[02:02:00] Darby: that could well be the reason for the log entries. Would this cause a lockup?
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[02:02:00] phi0x: everything
[02:02:00] MonMotha: or terrestiarl broadcast for that matter
[02:02:00] phi0x: could even start up our own network
[02:02:00] rah: CyberKnet: would you concur?
[02:02:00] phi0x: get open source funding
[02:02:00] MonMotha: if you can only see it from the USA, what's the point of mindlessly following the european standard whent heir TVs are differeent anwyay?
[02:02:00] phi0x: there is a huge linux funding association
[02:02:00] phi0x: for ppl with great idea's
[02:02:00] MonMotha: not for this stuff
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[02:02:00] phi0x: im sure this one would qualify
[02:03:00] phi0x: why not it would be linux based
[02:03:00] phi0x: we could set it up so that it can be accessed via a pvr or you can buy or rent a reciever
[02:03:00] MonMotha: you're just being dumb now
[02:03:00] phi0x: if you use pvr then you have a custom tv tuner
[02:04:00] phi0x: that can access it all once you plugin the sat feed
[02:04:00] CyberKnet: rah: I would question if he was mistaken, I might even go so far as to suggest that he was mistaken, but I very muh doubt I would say he lied to me.
[02:04:00] MonMotha: your'e talking about launching satellites to make an incredible niche minority (linux PVR buiilders) happy
[02:04:00] Darby: Rah: would that cause the backend to lock up?
[02:04:00] KeithNJPride: whats the idea phi0x? i just got in
[02:04:00] MonMotha: either that or buying bandwidht on an existing sat
[02:04:00] MonMotha: either way is incredibly expensive
[02:04:00] phi0x: well i was just thinking of a logical system via linux to make
[02:04:00] phi0x: have it open source
[02:04:00] phi0x: get open source funding
[02:05:00] KeithNJPride: ok and what would it do
[02:05:00] KeithNJPride: and accomplish
[02:06:00] phi0x: then build it apon something that would be like this: you have your network, you broadcast certain shows etc..
[02:06:00] phi0x: the way u broadcast them would be like this type of setup
[02:06:00] phi0x: you have everything in a certain format like mpeg2 but lets say you choose divx or xvid
[02:06:00] rah: Darby: I don't know
[02:06:00] phi0x: something that has greater compression
[02:06:00] phi0x: divx would be ideal because there are also divx players
[02:07:00] phi0x: anyways back to main thought
[02:07:00] phi0x: then once you have your network setup of shows, the compression method etc..
[02:07:00] Darby: Rah: Thanks.
[02:07:00] MonMotha: besides, there's a darn good reason they encrypt their stuff on sat, to prevent people frmo stealing it
[02:07:00] phi0x: you can have it broadcast via satellite
[02:07:00] MonMotha: DVB-S is very standard
[02:07:00] MonMotha: you can buy a tuner for it now
[02:07:00] MonMotha: the issue is the encryption
[02:07:00] phi0x: then you have it where they recieve it via a pvr
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[02:07:00] phi0x: or a reciever
[02:07:00] phi0x: either one
[02:07:00] rah: ok, so who knows about Videoguard?
[02:08:00] MonMotha: you're talking about reinventing the wheel here..
[02:08:00] rah: it needs to be cracked
[02:08:00] phi0x: and the way with a pvr that they can access the satellite feed would be via a tv tuner which you make
[02:08:00] MonMotha: MPEG2 is actually better at high-bitrate, high-resolution than MPEG4 (aka divx)
[02:08:00] rah: so I can get free UKTV Gold
[02:08:00] phi0x: yeah well maybe the wheel needs a few touch ups
[02:08:00] phi0x: heh
[02:08:00] phi0x: its alot more space though
[02:08:00] phi0x: you would want something that can produce similar quality but save alot of space
[02:09:00] phi0x: and you see if you setup a network like this
[02:09:00] KeithNJPride: phi0x
[02:09:00] KeithNJPride: are you suggesting a video podcasting set up
[02:09:00] KeithNJPride: or a slingbox via linux?
[02:09:00] phi0x: yeah
[02:09:00] KeithNJPride: to which
[02:09:00] phi0x: i dunno what slingbox is
[02:09:00] KeithNJPride: its a cool device
[02:09:00] phi0x: im guessing broadcast setup
[02:09:00] KeithNJPride: lemme google it one sec
[02:09:00] CyberKnet: rah: You can't talk about cracking satellite tv signals here.
[02:10:00] KeithNJPride: http://www.slingmedia.com/what.php4
[02:10:00] KeithNJPride: this is a cool ass device
[02:11:00] phi0x: i guess kinda similar
[02:11:00] phi0x: but not really
[02:11:00] phi0x: im thinking of building a whole new broadcast network funded by open source associations
[02:11:00] phi0x: there is a huge linux funding program for big idea's and i know this would qualify
[02:11:00] phi0x: since it would be run via linux and setup for it
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[02:12:00] phi0x: i might not know all the terms and different setups for different sections of the planet
[02:12:00] Discipulus: phi0x, this wouldn't qualify, you're crazy!
[02:12:00] phi0x: but what i do know is setting up simple systems
[02:12:00] phi0x: systems that work for everyone
[02:12:00] Discipulus: phi0x, sometimes simple isn't possible
[02:12:00] phi0x: it would qualify because its a open source project and your building it via linux
[02:13:00] Discipulus: or feasible
[02:13:00] aent: ok, I got mythtv to start working now with my PVR350 but all the channels seem to be the same one
[02:13:00] KeithNJPride: well good luck with the project phiox
[02:14:00] aent: why are all the channels channel 3?
[02:14:00] Discipulus: KeithNJPride, is it possible to use MythTV with DirecTV?
[02:14:00] phi0x: it would be one of the biggest linux projects out there
[02:14:00] phi0x: lol
[02:14:00] abarbaccia: Discipulus, yes
[02:14:00] KeithNJPride: im not the one that would know dis
[02:14:00] KeithNJPride: abar here is getting me started onm yth
[02:15:00] KeithNJPride: phi0x- keep dreaming, but if you pull it off, congrats
[02:15:00] KeithNJPride: and of course ill want one
[02:15:00] Discipulus: abarbaccia, how?
[02:15:00] phi0x: keep dreaming wtf
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[02:15:00] phi0x: lol
[02:15:00] KeithNJPride: lol
[02:15:00] KeithNJPride: thats a huge project, so good lcuk
[02:15:00] phi0x: this is like one of those things where inventors get made fun of for thinking certain things
[02:15:00] phi0x: then they do it and everyone is like wow
[02:15:00] abarbaccia: Discipulus, the feed that usually goes to your TV set – goes to your capture card, and by using an IRBlaster to remotly control the directTV box from the mythtv box its all fine and dandy
[02:15:00] phi0x: lol
[02:15:00] KeithNJPride: phi- itsa great project. its HUGE though.
[02:16:00] KeithNJPride: if you get people to wrok with you then its by far the next big thing that WILL happen
[02:16:00] phi0x: im not saying ill do it im saying that it would be a good idea to get a standardized world viewing service
[02:16:00] KeithNJPride: lol yea.
[02:16:00] Discipulus: abarbaccia, could I record one channel and watch another one at the same time?
[02:16:00] KeithNJPride: i would love getting oen
[02:16:00] phi0x: indeed
[02:16:00] phi0x: you can have the monthly fee's like direct tv
[02:16:00] KeithNJPride: disc- yes
[02:16:00] phi0x: you can set it up like that too
[02:16:00] Discipulus: KeithNJPride, you sure?
[02:16:00] phi0x: the way youd do it is make accounts for poeple, and their tv tuner card number would be associated with their account
[02:17:00] MonMotha: has anyone tried using a CAM in a DVB-S receiver with Dish or DirecTV?
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[02:17:00] KeithNJPride: so ive b een told dis – like isaid, im starting off too. i take it you're starting your mythbox too dis?
[02:17:00] phi0x: then the packages they choose to have and pay monthly for would go to their account
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[02:17:00] KeithNJPride: so you're charging to broadcastor to watch these broadcasts?
[02:18:00] phi0x: no you would do it like this: each cable company/broadcaster gets paid a certain ammount from each station like fox etc..
[02:18:00] phi0x: you then charge your clients a monthly fee for certain packages of stations
[02:18:00] phi0x: but the advantage with this is that you would have a mythtv setup
[02:18:00] phi0x: if your using your own pvr since it would be 100% pvr compatible
[02:19:00] phi0x: or the client can buy a reciever which a certain company would make
[02:19:00] phi0x: if the client doesnt want to build or buy a pvr
[02:19:00] phi0x: then they would sign up for the service
[02:19:00] phi0x: their account would have their tv tuners from the pvr associated with it
[02:19:00] phi0x: so that only they can use their account and not 2 pvr's at once
[02:19:00] abarbaccia: phi0x, so you plan on convincing all 500+ channels on direct tv to obey
[02:20:00] phi0x: so you cant pay for the service and split it between 10 nieghbours etc..
[02:20:00] phi0x: yeah something like that
[02:20:00] phi0x: then each client can record shows if they have pvr setup
[02:20:00] phi0x: no hassles
[02:20:00] Discipulus: KeithNJPride, well, reason I asked, is because abarbaccia said the output that goes to the TV gets moved to the capture card instead of going to the TV
[02:20:00] phi0x: no wondering if its QAM OTA
[02:20:00] phi0x: etc..
[02:20:00] phi0x: all that crap
[02:20:00] phi0x: just simple setup
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[02:21:00] phi0x: u can stream it all mpeg2 even
[02:21:00] Discipulus: KeithNJPride, but now abarbaccia isn't answering my question
[02:21:00] abarbaccia: Discipulus, whats up man
[02:21:00] phi0x: then they can record it mpeg2 or divx or whatever they want
[02:21:00] MonMotha: phi0x: you know, there's already a standard for all this...
[02:21:00] phi0x: but main point is, they would have all the channels they want in whatever format like if they wanted high def channels, they could get discovery hdtv or whatever etc..
[02:21:00] MonMotha: we have cable cards for cable, and CAMs for DVB-S
[02:22:00] MonMotha: I've just been told that DirecTV/Dish CAMs don't work in normal DVB-S cards
[02:22:00] phi0x: see wtf are all these other things
[02:22:00] Beirdo: rah: no talking about cracking encryption in this channel, it's forbidden
[02:22:00] phi0x: QAM STB's cable, satellite digital cable
[02:22:00] phi0x: hdtv
[02:22:00] phi0x: OTA
[02:22:00] phi0x: DVB
[02:22:00] phi0x: TOO many things
[02:22:00] MonMotha: yes, you're doing a great job listing off acronyms
[02:22:00] phi0x: one setup for broadcasting around the world
[02:22:00] MonMotha: there's a damn good reason all this stuff exists
[02:23:00] phi0x: not one that comes to my mind
[02:23:00] MonMotha: for one, european TVs and American TVs are different,a nd we have to remain compatible
[02:23:00] phi0x: yeah or they could later on advance to where everyone has same setup
[02:23:00] MonMotha: two: the various paths used for distribution (physical acble, terrestrial broadcast, satellite) have different characteristics
[02:23:00] phi0x: instead of keeping the crappy ways
[02:23:00] MonMotha: tuning the modulation scheme to those characteristics allows you to get the most digital bandwidth possible out of the system
[02:23:00] phi0x: stick to one characteristic, one broadcasting method
[02:23:00] phi0x: one tv
[02:23:00] phi0x: one solution NTSC PAL ETC.!
[02:24:00] phi0x: makes it simple
[02:24:00] rah: Beirdo: CyberKnet said that :)
[02:24:00] phi0x: then once you have everything standardized
[02:24:00] phi0x: you can enjoy everything you watch
[02:24:00] phi0x: knowing everyone else in the world is able to do the same
[02:24:00] phi0x: for a cheap price
[02:24:00] jonK: exit
[02:24:00] phi0x: simple setups
[02:24:00] jonK: crap...
[02:24:00] phi0x: etc.
[02:24:00] jonK: always the wrong window.
[02:24:00] phi0x: thats what im about is simple setups
[02:25:00] abarbaccia: jonK, nice
[02:25:00] phi0x: i like to make things that work for everyone
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[02:25:00] phi0x: not have it where certain ppl have to buy certain things
[02:25:00] phi0x: its like racial prejudice but for the tv
[02:25:00] phi0x: lol
[02:25:00] abarbaccia: phi0x, why does it have to be racial – why not just prejudice
[02:25:00] phi0x: need to have it where everyone's equal
[02:26:00] abarbaccia: better yet, biased
[02:26:00] phi0x: i said racial because i was talking about things like US tv to european tv
[02:26:00] phi0x: why not be equal
[02:26:00] phi0x: heh
[02:26:00] phi0x: but in tv terms :)
[02:26:00] phi0x: have one simple setup
[02:26:00] phi0x: something that works to broadcast shows
[02:26:00] phi0x: give clients what they want
[02:27:00] phi0x: and have a simple way to block clients for hacking
[02:27:00] phi0x: stealing the feed
[02:27:00] phi0x: sinec obviously ppl need to make money
[02:27:00] phi0x: so shows can go on
[02:27:00] phi0x: so there has to be a system in place to stop ppl from stealing the signals
[02:27:00] phi0x: but that has nothing to do with how its all broadcast it would have to do with the clients account
[02:28:00] phi0x: have a mysql db with each clients account and their tuner id
[02:29:00] phi0x: i dunno you can laugh at me for thinking of something like that
[02:29:00] phi0x: but i think its good
[02:29:00] phi0x: its what i hope comes outa the tv/broadcast industry
[02:29:00] phi0x: something simple
[02:29:00] abarbaccia: phi0x, so when i make a simple program that muffs my tunerID to you – i get free cable?
[02:29:00] phi0x: one setup to rule them all
[02:29:00] phi0x: yeah i already thought about masking tuner id
[02:29:00] abarbaccia: phi0x, you build it you break it
[02:30:00] phi0x: think of it this way
[02:30:00] phi0x: so far directtv has no way to block ppl from still hacking their system
[02:30:00] phi0x: ppl have broke into the p5 cards
[02:30:00] phi0x: and will continue to as they make new cards and methods
[02:30:00] phi0x: you can't stop everyone from not wanting to spend money to recieve your service
[02:31:00] abarbaccia: i agree
[02:31:00] phi0x: you would have to develope a method that would try to stop ppl from masking the tuner ID
[02:31:00] phi0x: or where it cannot be altered
[02:31:00] phi0x: i dunno something like that
[02:31:00] phi0x: im not a huge programmer.
[02:31:00] phi0x: i just make up idea's
[02:31:00] phi0x: ;/
[02:32:00] abarbaccia: phi0x, one of the biggest problems in the network industry is verification
[02:33:00] phi0x: indeed
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[02:46:00] phi0x: http://systm.org/mythtv/
[02:46:00] phi0x: anyone read that
[02:46:00] phi0x: says for under 500$ u can record hdtv
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[02:47:00] KeithNJPride: hey guys i got a q
[02:47:00] KeithNJPride: im so pissed at myself
[02:47:00] KeithNJPride: i bought all this stuff for my myth box and forgot to buy an ethernet card.
[02:47:00] KeithNJPride: lmfao
[02:47:00] phi0x: lol
[02:48:00] KeithNJPride: but my q to you-
[02:48:00] phi0x: well i remember i bought all my stuff for my media center
[02:48:00] KeithNJPride: can mythtv work nicely with a wireless network?
[02:48:00] phi0x: and found out i couldn't use my ati hdtv wonder which cost me 300$CDN+
[02:48:00] phi0x: in windows xp mce
[02:48:00] phi0x: then i went to use it in linux
[02:48:00] phi0x: and it isnt compatible
[02:48:00] phi0x: :)
[02:48:00] phi0x: i spent alot on stuff that i shouldnt have -_-
[02:48:00] phi0x: well thats first experience i guess for when u buy certain things
[02:48:00] phi0x: especially complicated stuff
[02:50:00] phi0x: all i wanted was to setup a nice pvr box
[02:50:00] phi0x: for hdtv and analog tv -_-
[02:50:00] phi0x: but it doesnt quite work like that -_-
[02:51:00] phi0x: hope things get a bit easiler soon
[02:51:00] phi0x: i want to a nice tv tuner setup that will just access the stbs without ir blaster
[02:51:00] phi0x: and be able to record hdtv from the hdtv recievers
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[02:54:00] Discipulus: bah
[02:54:00] Discipulus: I can't find anything anywhere on making a linux box into a DirecTV reciever
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[02:57:00] djpere: um
[02:57:00] djpere: what exactly is the output?
[02:57:00] djpere: tv out, cable?
[02:57:00] djpere: Discipulus
[02:57:00] djpere: well not cable
[02:57:00] Discipulus: djpere, eh?
[02:58:00] Discipulus: What you mean?
[02:58:00] dh1: tv out pvr-350
[02:58:00] Discipulus: Instead of hooking the feed from the satellite on the roof
[02:58:00] Discipulus: to the top box set
[02:58:00] Discipulus: I wanna hook it up to a MythTV box
[02:58:00] Discipulus: but I don't know how well that would work
[02:58:00] djpere: I know but what is the output of the satellite
[02:58:00] Discipulus: I don't have a MythTV box setup yet
[02:59:00] djpere: I know
[02:59:00] Discipulus: hell if I know
[02:59:00] djpere: then figure it out
[02:59:00] Discipulus: encrypted satellite data?
[02:59:00] djpere: noo
[02:59:00] djpere: what kind of wire
[02:59:00] Discipulus: what?
[02:59:00] Discipulus: ooooo
[02:59:00] Discipulus: brb, I'll go look
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[02:59:00] djpere: Ok
[02:59:00] dh1: it still messes up the screen. but this time i was able to see it said "Error inserting..." action not permitted. despite that it clearly had permisions. it did change the image on the tv
[03:00:00] Discipulus: djpere, looks like a regular coaxal cable
[03:00:00] djpere: ah
[03:00:00] djpere: in that case
[03:00:00] Discipulus: without unplugging it, a cable cable
[03:00:00] Discipulus: if you get what I mean
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[03:00:00] djpere: you can just get a tvcard and use mplayer
[03:00:00] Discipulus: but isn't it encrypted?
[03:00:00] djpere: that I dunno about
[03:00:00] PoonJ: meet the parents is getting played in HD on ABC tonight
[03:01:00] Discipulus: :-\
[03:01:00] djpere: :P
[03:01:00] PoonJ: I hope my pcHDTV card will work
[03:01:00] Discipulus: isn't that the purpose of using the TV Card?
[03:01:00] PoonJ: yes, but its the signal thats inconsistent
[03:01:00] Discipulus: er, not the TV card, but the card that goes into the satellite reciever
[03:02:00] Discipulus: basically: I wanna turn my box into a primitive Satellite reciever
[03:02:00] Discipulus: and then add some MythTV capabilities to it
[03:02:00] Discipulus: anyone have any experience doing this?
[03:03:00] ** dh1 hides. **
[03:03:00] dh1: i cant get mythtv to work with cable.
[03:03:00] dh1: lol
[03:04:00] Discipulus: lol
[03:06:00] djpere: Discipulus think of myth like a stopping point between whatever your output is to your TV
[03:07:00] Discipulus: djpere, yea, I've thought about doing it like that, but then it can only:
[03:07:00] Discipulus: a) record and play live TV
[03:07:00] Discipulus: b) record something
[03:07:00] Discipulus: it can't record and let me watch at the same time
[03:08:00] Discipulus: like, record one thing, and let me watch another
[03:08:00] djpere: so then what are you saying?
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[03:09:00] myth_noob: anybody know how to help solve sound problems?? I hade sound working once, then i had to rebood and now i have no sound, I have tried all the tricks i have seen in the forums, mythtv site and all around google and nothing has worked. I have sound to play a dvd/video through mythtv and I have sound in tvtime. can anyone help with this so i can stop pulling my hair OUT??!!
[03:09:00] Discipulus: djpere, I want to be able to record one show while watching another
[03:09:00] Discipulus: hmm
[03:09:00] djpere: myth_noob, if you ever want to use linux ( espically gentoo) you have to have a shitload of patience
[03:10:00] myth_noob: i haev used gentoo, red hat and fedora....and have never had any trouble with sound like this
[03:10:00] Discipulus: I'm thinking the easiest way is to have more than one satellite reciever...
[03:11:00] Discipulus: djpere, you need greater patience for Slackware :-P
[03:11:00] djpere: gentoo you have to compile shit :P
[03:11:00] Darby: Discipulus: You need to get another tuner card
[03:11:00] djpere: yea\\
[03:11:00] djpere: I think a pvr500 can do two at once
[03:11:00] Darby: yes it can
[03:11:00] djpere: its like two 150's jammed togther in one card
[03:11:00] myth_noob: djpere, compiling stuff is not a proble, your flags are are what you have to watch in gentoo
[03:11:00] Discipulus: Yea, but MytTV would still be a middle man
[03:12:00] Discipulus: Myth*
[03:12:00] djpere: yep
[03:12:00] djpere: always will be :D
[03:12:00] myth_noob: but anyway...that is not my problem....my problem in sound in LiveTV and Recording
[03:12:00] Discipulus: between the DirecTV reciever and the TV
[03:12:00] djpere: yea
[03:12:00] Discipulus: I want it to be the middleman between the Satellite and the TV
[03:12:00] djpere: why?
[03:12:00] djpere: thats pretty pointless
[03:13:00] djpere: one less box
[03:13:00] Darby: myth_noob: so you get sound always except when watching tv live or recorded?
[03:13:00] djpere: as long as the input can go into a tv tuner you are in good shape
[03:13:00] myth_noob: Darby, correct
[03:13:00] Darby: what card?
[03:13:00] Discipulus: because if it's a middleman between the reciever and the TV then I have to have more than one reciever to watch one channel and record a different channel
[03:14:00] djpere: I see
[03:14:00] myth_noob: Darby, an older WinTV
[03:14:00] Darby: that's the capture card? what tvout card?
[03:15:00] myth_noob: Darby, i am using the moniter/GF4 for now and system speakers till i get it working properly
[03:15:00] Discipulus: djpere, alright, right now, if I want to record a channel, and watch a different channel, then I'd need two TV CAPTURE cards, a satellite splitter, a new piece for my satellite, and two satellite recievers
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[03:15:00] Darby: ok, so it's not even going to the tv yet?
[03:15:00] myth_noob: Darby, no, just lke a standard computer for now
[03:15:00] Discipulus: djpere, if I can use the MythTV box as a satellite reciever then that eliminates the need for two extra boxes
[03:16:00] Darby: what happens if you just use mplayer to play straight from the tuner card?
[03:17:00] myth_noob: Darby, never tried mplayer for that, always used tvtime...and that works fine
[03:17:00] Discipulus: djpere, you get what I'm saying?
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[03:18:00] Darby: myth_noob, I don't know tvtime. Is that a linux app?
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[03:19:00] myth_noob: Darby, yes, it comes with FC2/3 and works very well...it is only for watching TV (no recording)...have used in Gentoo as well with no issues
[03:20:00] Darby: myth_nooband it still works right now, but myth playback doesn't?
[03:21:00] myth_noob: Darby, myth playback will show the video, but the sound is just static, same with LiveTV
[03:21:00] myth_noob: Darby, the playback looks great
[03:22:00] Darby: myth_noob, hmmm.... wierd
[03:23:00] myth_noob: Darby, i know...all i did was reboot and lost the sound
[03:23:00] myth_noob: Darby, it has been making me pull my hair out for 2 days now
[03:23:00] dh1: DAMNIT
[03:23:00] Darby: myth_noob, reboot again and it will come bach ;-)
[03:23:00] myth_noob: Darby, I wish
[03:23:00] dh1: after all this time. what do i discover. the computer is too slow!!!!! DAMNIT
[03:24:00] Darby: myth_noob, was it locked up or anything when you rebooted?
[03:24:00] dh1: any tricks to pick up the performance?
[03:24:00] Darby: dh1, RAM RAM RAM
[03:25:00] myth_noob: Darby, nope, has not locked up at all
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[03:25:00] dh1: 504 ram. is that good?
[03:25:00] Darby: dh1, should be plenty
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[03:25:00] monarch: hello all
[03:26:00] monarch: anybody familar with using MythTV with PVR150?
[03:26:00] Darby: myth_noob, have you run mythsetup again, dumped all the card info and reconfigged everything?
[03:26:00] monarch: I am having a problem with the first GOP in the nuv file is invalid.
[03:26:00] dh1: one question. what do i select as my audio output device in mythtv when i want to use red/white ones on the back of my pvr-350
[03:26:00] myth_noob: Darby, yes...but not with dumping the card info....i will do that real quick
[03:27:00] Darby: dh1, with the 350, use the 350 audio out. thyere is a special selection just for that card
[03:27:00] dh1: special selection?
[03:27:00] Darby: ummm..
[03:28:00] dh1: it looks like it wants a device name
[03:28:00] Darby: it's something like: use pvr-350 audio out
[03:28:00] monarch: dh1: Under playback check the box for Use The PVR-350 TV Out
[03:28:00] monarch: dh1: Then you'll see the use TV Audio through PVR 350 option
[03:28:00] dh1: is that in mythtv-setup or is it in the setup in mythfrontend
[03:28:00] monarch: mythfrontend dh1
[03:28:00] dh1: k
[03:29:00] monarch: under the TV Settings menu
[03:31:00] monarch: is anybody familiar with PVR150 recording with MythTV?
[03:31:00] myth_noob: Darby, in\s the PVR-350 a pretty good card??
[03:31:00] myth_noob: *is
[03:31:00] monarch: if I do cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg I get a valid mpeg
[03:32:00] monarch: but any show recorded through mythtv has an invalid first GOP
[03:32:00] Darby: myth_noob, Yeah, it rocks but it was some trouble setting up. mainly because I never put X on a tv before
[03:32:00] monarch: i have to replex the nuv file befor I can split it
[03:32:00] myth_noob: Darby, lol...that will be my next experience
[03:33:00] Darby: myth_noob, you'll love that
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[03:33:00] Darby: it's not that bad really
[03:33:00] Darby: I just had like a 4 way split screen for a while
[03:33:00] myth_noob: it will be a good experience i think
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[03:33:00] myth_noob: lol
[03:33:00] Darby: the top 2 were copies of my desktop and the bottom 2 were garbage
[03:34:00] Discipulus: Darby, heh
[03:34:00] Discipulus: Darby, how'd you fix it?
[03:34:00] Darby: ummm....
[03:34:00] Darby: hmm...
[03:34:00] Darby: I forget..
[03:35:00] riddlebox: what do I try if all I see is static when I try to watch tv, I have checked my cable connections are good, I have loaded the firmware and updated the ivtv module but still static?
[03:35:00] Darby: I think it was basically the xorg.cong. loading the right driver and all
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[03:36:00] Darby: oh yeah, it's still commented out
[03:36:00] Darby: #Option "fbdev" "/dev/fb0"
[03:36:00] Darby: Option "ivtv" "/dev/fb0"
[03:37:00] Discipulus: lol
[03:37:00] Darby: i was flailing like mad, you can't expect me to remember every detail ;-)
[03:38:00] monarch: riddlebox: what type card?
[03:38:00] Discipulus: Darby, so what's your setup?
[03:38:00] riddlebox: pvr-500
[03:39:00] monarch: hmm, I could help with pvr150, but I havn't tried PVR500 yet
[03:39:00] myth_noob: Darby, nope...reloading the card settings did not fix it
[03:39:00] monarch: what driver do you have?
[03:39:00] riddlebox: 3.0.2
[03:39:00] Darby: Discipilus, Athlon 1.8, 512 RAM, 170 gig LVM video partition, pvr-350
[03:39:00] monarch: riddlebox: go to www.ivtv.info and download the latest version
[03:39:00] monarch: You will need the unstable tree
[03:40:00] Discipulus: Darby, nah, I was talking about the cabling setup, lol
[03:40:00] monarch: I think it is up to 0.3.6y
[03:40:00] Darby: oh
[03:40:00] Darby: right now, the cable is plugged directly into the computer
[03:40:00] dh1: monarch: I dont see that second option you mentioned
[03:40:00] Discipulus: from?
[03:40:00] Darby: so I can only get the unscrambled channels
[03:40:00] Darby: from the wall
[03:40:00] Discipulus: oh, unscrambled cable channel
[03:40:00] Discipulus: regular cable
[03:40:00] Discipulus: right?
[03:41:00] Darby: right. I have a serial cable pluggend into the box but I couldn't get that working
[03:41:00] Darby: yep
[03:41:00] monarch: dh1: When you select the check box for Use PVR-350 out you should see the option at the bottom of the box outline
[03:41:00] Darby: I have an IR Blaster on order, it should show up tomorrow
[03:41:00] Discipulus: ah, gotcha
[03:41:00] monarch: Darby: where did you get it?
[03:41:00] Discipulus: so what's the difference between a capture card and a tuner card?
[03:41:00] Darby: the ir blaster?
[03:41:00] Discipulus: are they one in the same?
[03:42:00] monarch: Discipulus: capture card just has tvinputs
[03:42:00] riddlebox: how do I switch to my second tuner using the keyboard?
[03:42:00] monarch: Discipulus: a tuner can actually switch between channels itself
[03:42:00] Discipulus: ah, opposite of S-Out
[03:42:00] monarch: Discipulus: um, yeah
[03:42:00] monarch: ;-)
[03:42:00] monarch: riddlebox: I believe it is q or w
[03:42:00] Discipulus: monarch, alright, so for my setup I need TV Capture cards, not tuner cards, correct?
[03:43:00] Discipulus: Satellite -> Reciever -> MythTV -> TV
[03:43:00] monarch: c
[03:43:00] monarch: riddlebox: it is C
[03:43:00] monarch: sorry
[03:43:00] monarch: Discipulus: hmm, a pvr150 would work
[03:44:00] monarch: Discipulus: it is a tuner as well, but you don't have to use it
[03:44:00] Discipulus: alright
[03:44:00] Discipulus: and MythTV works with Capture cards, right?
[03:44:00] monarch: Discipulus: works with both
[03:44:00] Discipulus: alright, good
[03:44:00] Discipulus: :-D
[03:44:00] Discipulus: looks like my setup is viable
[03:44:00] Discipulus: just won't be to record a channel different from what I'm watching
[03:44:00] dh1: monarch. I still get a message that says "Unable to open audio device (), the error was no such file or directory" when i continue, sound works. how do i get rid of that error?
[03:45:00] Discipulus: and I'm gonna need IR Blaster
[03:45:00] Discipulus: and a serial cable
[03:45:00] monarch: Discipulus: My current setup is a Digital Reciever through tuner channel 3
[03:45:00] Discipulus: or a serial cable*
[03:45:00] Discipulus: or both
[03:45:00] Discipulus: to change channel
[03:45:00] Discipulus: s
[03:45:00] Drizzt321: when I record with my pvr-350 and playback, I see an outline of images/people/etc that areto the right of the main image, almost as if the entire scene was made almost completely transparent except for some edges, and then transposed to the right. I don't really get this when I watch live TV. Anyone have any ideas?
[03:45:00] myth_noob: Darby, are there any special services i may have turned off that would cause the sound not to work??
[03:45:00] riddlebox: hrmm I get picture but the same picture in on every channel
[03:45:00] monarch: dh1: I haven't ever worked with PVR350 not sure what the error is for
[03:45:00] Discipulus: monarch, what you mean?
[03:45:00] monarch: Discipulus: I use a IR Blaster
[03:46:00] monarch: Discipulus: to change channel
[03:46:00] Discipulus: ah, alright
[03:46:00] Darby: myth_noob, the only thing I can think of is that you loaded a module and it wasn't set to autoload when you rebooted
[03:46:00] Discipulus: you use satellite?
[03:46:00] Drizzt321: dh1: what problem are you having with the 350? I have one of those.
[03:46:00] Darby: myth_noob, try `history | grep modprobe`
[03:46:00] monarch: Discipulus: I have a Digital reciever with a Cable hooked into the card with an IR Blaster to change channels on the Digital Box
[03:46:00] monarch: Discipulus: cable, but with a digital box
[03:47:00] Discipulus: monarch, ah, alright
[03:47:00] riddlebox: how do I switch back to tuner 1?
[03:47:00] dh1: well, sound works fine. because i set it to do it on the card. however every time i do "watch tv" i get a warning saying it couldnt open then device ""
[03:47:00] dh1: Drizzt321: ^
[03:47:00] Discipulus: monarch, same setup will work with what I want, I just need to convince my mom of it :-P
[03:47:00] monarch: riddlebox: I believe you can press C to go between the inputs
[03:47:00] dh1: device "" refers to the un-set audio device for the primary audio config
[03:47:00] Drizzt321: dh1: and you are running as a regular user? not root?
[03:47:00] riddlebox: it only went to my second one
[03:48:00] monarch: Discipulus: ;-) I have been using the setup for the past several months
[03:48:00] dh1: i think so
[03:48:00] dh1: yeah
[03:48:00] dh1: user is tv
[03:48:00] dh1: why does that matter
[03:48:00] Darby: myth_noob, or maybe your volumes got muted. I don't know how either of those would only affect that one thing though
[03:48:00] Drizzt321: dh1: and as a regular user, are you part of the audio group?
[03:48:00] monarch: Discipulus: the pvr150 is around $70
[03:48:00] Drizzt321: dh1: it may be a permissions problem, your user might not have rights to 'write' out to the audio device
[03:48:00] Discipulus: monarch, I'll buy the equipment, I just need to convince my mom to let me do the recabling on the TV
[03:49:00] dh1: Drizzt321: the audio works. it gives me a warning that it cant open "" because "" is what is set in the primary audio config. let me check permisions, but i dont think thats it. sound works though the card.
[03:49:00] dh1: sound however does not work on my main system, but that doesnt matter
[03:49:00] monarch: Discipulus: Get a DVD Burner as well, then you can start "taping" the shows and put em on DVD
[03:49:00] dh1: or shouldnt
[03:49:00] Drizzt321: dh1: by card, you mean the pvr-350, correct?
[03:49:00] myth_noob: Darby, nope..I hae checked, rechecked, reconfigured again and again in kmixer and alsamixer....i still get the same results
[03:50:00] dh1: yes
[03:50:00] Discipulus: monarch, now THERE'S a feature you won't see a TiVo having for a while :-P
[03:50:00] Drizzt321: dh1: in Setup, General, what do you have under the Audio output device?
[03:50:00] monarch: Discipulus: that is the reason I got the MythTV setup, TIVO's version is around 350–400
[03:50:00] Discipulus: :o
[03:50:00] dh1: one sec Drizzt321
[03:50:00] Discipulus: you mean there is a TIVo with a DVD Burner?
[03:50:00] Drizzt321: dh1: k
[03:50:00] monarch: Discipulus: yes
[03:51:00] Discipulus: monarch, how much did it cost you to build your setup?
[03:51:00] Discipulus: monarch, I'd have to build it from scratch...
[03:51:00] dh1: Drizzt321: nothing. aka the "" it complained about
[03:51:00] monarch: it cost me about $70 for the card
[03:52:00] monarch: Discipulus: everything else I already had
[03:52:00] Drizzt321: dh1: thats the problem. are you using alsa or oss for your sound card?
[03:52:00] Discipulus: monarch, ah, alright
[03:52:00] monarch: Discipulus: pretty much any computer will run the PVR150
[03:52:00] dh1: Drizzt321: i am not using anything. i simply dont have system sound.
[03:52:00] Darby: are .nuv files basically just mpegs, or are they different?
[03:52:00] monarch: 700Mhz and above that is
[03:52:00] dh1: crap, dinner time
[03:52:00] monarch: Darby: with PVR150+ they are MPEG2
[03:52:00] Drizzt321: dh1: ahhhh, so its all supposed to come out through the sound output of the pvr-350, right?
[03:53:00] dh1: yeah
[03:53:00] Discipulus: monarch, damn, all my spare machines are 386's and 486's
[03:53:00] dh1: any suggestions
[03:53:00] monarch: Darby: most other cards record in standard nuppelvideo format
[03:53:00] Darby: monarch, so what about the WinTV like myht_noob has?
[03:53:00] Drizzt321: dh1: ok. and what were you doing again when you have this problem? or anywhere you are trying to play back audio?
[03:53:00] Darby: ok
[03:53:00] Discipulus: monarch, I'll pick up a machine from eBay
[03:53:00] monarch: Discipulus: I haven't tried that slow
[03:53:00] monarch: Darby: that records in NuppelVideo, I have one of those as well
[03:54:00] Discipulus: monarch, take the parts out and put 'em in a new case
[03:54:00] Discipulus: monarch, how much for the IR Blaster?
[03:54:00] monarch: They work pretty good, but my 2.4Ghz process went to 25%-30% CPU usage
[03:54:00] monarch: while recording
[03:54:00] Darby: I'm just trying to figure out how he would get sound everywhere except playing those files...
[03:54:00] monarch: Discipulus: you can find one online for about $12
[03:54:00] monarch: Darby: who he?
[03:55:00] Darby: myth_noob
[03:55:00] monarch: oh, ok wasn't privy to the convo
[03:55:00] monarch: let me backtrack a little
[03:56:00] myth_noob: Darby, lol....now you see why i am almost bald!!
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[03:56:00] Darby: lol
[03:56:00] NightBird: yo
[03:56:00] monarch: myth_noob: Ok, what is up with your system
[03:56:00] monarch: Discipulus: of course the PVR150 comes with an IR Blaster
[03:56:00] monarch: hello NightBird, welcome to the club
[03:57:00] monarch: Discipulus: oh, and a IR Reciever as well, with a remote
[03:57:00] NightBird: hey, I gots a question... what tv tuner card do you people recommend for myth?
[03:57:00] monarch: NightBird: depends on what cha wanna do
[03:57:00] NightBird: doesn't it always?
[03:58:00] monarch: NightBird: Do you want to record and export, or do you want to record, watch on tv, and delete
[03:58:00] monarch: NightBird: Most definately
[03:58:00] monarch: ;-)
[03:58:00] monarch: myth_noob: you have a wintv go card
[03:58:00] NightBird: perhaps both, thou the record and export doesn't have to be really high quality...
[03:58:00] monarch: NightBird: for record and Export, the PVR150 is pretty good
[03:59:00] monarch: I'd suggest staying away from the PVR150MCE though
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[03:59:00] NightBird: yeah, but isn't that like $100?
[03:59:00] monarch: for Record, Watch on TV, and delete, I'd suggest the PVR350
[03:59:00] NightBird: I'm wanting something reasonably cheap, that's easy to install
[03:59:00] monarch: NightBird: Oh you meant cheap also, oh you didn't specify
[03:59:00] NightBird: (also with a remote would be nice :P)
[03:59:00] NightBird: yeah
[03:59:00] NightBird: sorry
[03:59:00] Drizzt321: dh1: ok. and what were you doing again when you have this problem? or anywhere you are trying to play back audio?
[03:59:00] monarch: ;-)
[04:00:00] NightBird: like...
[04:00:00] myth_noob: monarch, i thinks its a GO, but it does not say GO on it...just WinTV
[04:00:00] monarch: NightBird: the pvr150 is about the cheapest with a remote etc
[04:00:00] NightBird: $50 or so cheap
[04:00:00] monarch: NightBird: the WinTV GO is a pretty good card
[04:00:00] NightBird: thats what I was looking at
[04:00:00] MonMotha: I don't know if I'd call it good...it certainly works
[04:00:00] monarch: it doesn't do TV out
[04:00:00] monarch: and you'll have to have a semi-decent system
[04:00:00] MonMotha: of course not, it's just a captyure card, no encoder even
[04:01:00] NightBird: monarch, I have a video card that does s-out that I was planning on using..
[04:01:00] monarch: but it works very good
[04:01:00] monarch: NightBird: oh ok
[04:01:00] monarch: NightBird: something else you didn't mention
[04:01:00] NightBird: if I could get it to work
[04:01:00] NightBird: sorry
[04:01:00] monarch: How am I supposed to fill out the RFQ?
[04:01:00] monarch: ;-)
[04:01:00] NightBird: hm..
[04:01:00] monarch: myth_noob: can you play it through Mplayer?
[04:01:00] NightBird: ok, so what is it you're wanting to know before makeing a recomendation?
[04:01:00] monarch: myth_noob: how are your alsamixer settings?
[04:02:00] monarch: myth_noob: Does the card have a cable that goes from the card to your sound card?
[04:02:00] monarch: myth_noob: That is the way the WinTV Go is setup
[04:02:00] ** NightBird is wanting something easy to install as he has very little linux experience(I'm getting KnoppMyth, so that should hopefully make things easier to startup) **
[04:03:00] monarch: NightBird: What speed of system are you planning on using?
[04:03:00] NightBird: Athalon xp 2000+
[04:03:00] monarch: myth_noob: Did you catch all that I said above?
[04:03:00] NightBird: with 768 megs of ram, GeForce 3 ti
[04:03:00] NightBird: 160 gig ide hd
[04:03:00] monarch: NightBird: Are you planning on using the system while it is recording?
[04:03:00] NightBird: dvd drive, etc
[04:03:00] myth_noob: monarch, i don't use mplayer, but it works fine in tvtime, mixer settings are good to go and yes, the audio jumper cable in connected properly
[04:03:00] NightBird: monarch, well... perhaps watching it while recording
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[04:04:00] monarch: NightBird: you may be able to get by with a WinTV Go
[04:04:00] NightBird: or maybe playing a game on it...
[04:04:00] NightBird: but I don't know if I would do that while recording
[04:04:00] monarch: NightBird: if you want to do too much more with it things might get a bit slow
[04:04:00] NightBird: yeah
[04:04:00] monarch: myth_noob: so it does work through tvtime playing the NUV?
[04:04:00] NightBird: I'm thinking snes game, not psx or gba :P
[04:05:00] monarch: NightBird: hmm, how about mythmame?
[04:05:00] NightBird: hm...
[04:05:00] NightBird: not so much
[04:05:00] NightBird: I don't play too many games on mame as it is
[04:05:00] myth_noob: monarch, i have not tried to play a nuv outside of mythtv, but the watching tv through tvtime works
[04:05:00] ** NightBird should look into getting a second usb controller... and probably wireless keyboard and mouse... **
[04:05:00] monarch: myth_noob: ok, do you have Mplayer at all?
[04:06:00] NightBird: monarch is in demand tonight :P
[04:06:00] monarch: NightBird: If you go with a PVR150 you would have a remote and a IR Blaster
[04:06:00] KeithNJPride: why bother with a remote if you have a wireless keyboard?
[04:07:00] myth_noob: monarch, yes, that what myth is using for DVD
[04:07:00] monarch: KeithNJPride: true, true, but he said he was going to have to get one
[04:07:00] KeithNJPride: oh.....
[04:07:00] monarch: myth_noob: try playing the nuv through mplayer
[04:07:00] KeithNJPride: thats the problem with lurking i guess
[04:07:00] monarch: if you don't have sound there, then it has to be the recording setting for mythtv
[04:07:00] Discipulus: monarch, maybe I'll get another capture card for between my VCR/DVD Player and the TV
[04:07:00] myth_noob: monarch, k...just a sec
[04:07:00] NightBird: KeithNJPride, I would like the remote so you don't have to use a keyboard to watch tv
[04:08:00] monarch: NightBird: the WinTV Go I got was about $40, the PVR150 was about $89
[04:08:00] ** NightBird fires up froogle to search for pvr150 **
[04:08:00] NightBird: yeah, here's one for $89
[04:08:00] MonMotha: I got mine for $60 after rebate
[04:08:00] monarch: NightBird: just make sure it is NOT a pvr150MCE
[04:09:00] monarch: NightBird: THOSE THINGS SUCK
[04:09:00] NightBird: monarch, wouldn't that be alot more expensive?
[04:09:00] myth_noob: monarch, no, just a flutering sound
[04:09:00] monarch: NightBird: Well, at least I had alot of problems with them
[04:09:00] NightBird: isn't MCE suppost to be used in the windows thing?
[04:09:00] NightBird: http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/products_id/138 << the $89 one I found..
[04:09:00] monarch: NightBird: that is the reason they don't work to well
[04:10:00] NightBird: heh
[04:10:00] Chutt: the 150mce is the exact same thing as the 150, just with fm radio instead of a remote.
[04:10:00] NightBird: if I want fm I'll go to my car :P
[04:10:00] monarch: Chutt: I had some problems with some registers
[04:10:00] Chutt: everything else is absolutely identical.
[04:10:00] monarch: Chutt: I have one that I STILL can't get working
[04:11:00] monarch: Don't know if it is the card, though
[04:11:00] myth_noob: monarch, i mean...teh video plays, but only get a fluttering sound
[04:11:00] monarch: myth_noob: yeah, it sounds like there is a problem with the mythtvsetup for recording
[04:11:00] monarch: what do you have setup as your recording device?
[04:12:00] NightBird: monarch, and the pvr 150 is supported by linux without haveing to do anything fancy?
[04:12:00] myth_noob: monarch, let me check
[04:12:00] monarch: other than get the 0.3.6 driver that Chris Kenedy has been doing a great job on
[04:12:00] Darby: Hey, who lives near Monarch and can buy him a beer for all of this ;-)
[04:13:00] NightBird: and one of you guys would be willing to help me figure out to install it, right? :P
[04:13:00] monarch: Darby: Don't drink beer, but I LOVE tea
[04:13:00] Darby: not british by any chance?
[04:13:00] monarch: Darby: I live in Tennessee, man
[04:13:00] monarch: What up mate
[04:13:00] monarch: ..
[04:13:00] monarch: or should I say matey
[04:13:00] Darby: lol. My wife is from England and she is a tea maniac
[04:14:00] monarch: or is that the australian vernacular?
[04:14:00] Darby: not sure
[04:14:00] monarch: ;-)
[04:14:00] monarch: NightBird: sure, if I am around
[04:14:00] monarch: NightBird: email me at scarr@progbits.com
[04:14:00] NightBird: heh
[04:14:00] NightBird: well, it's going to be awhile
[04:14:00] monarch: NightBird: understand
[04:15:00] monarch: NightBird: Don't worry I got other things to keep me busy
[04:15:00] NightBird: I still need to get the ram upgrade for this computer, then get the parts needed for the pvr system
[04:15:00] NightBird: hahaha
[04:15:00] monarch: NightBird: I am the Documentation maintainer for OpenOffice.org ;-)
[04:15:00] myth_noob: monarch, are yo taling about in mythfrontend or in mythtvsetup??
[04:15:00] myth_noob: *talking
[04:15:00] monarch: myth_noob: in mythsetup
[04:15:00] ** myth_noob can't type today **
[04:16:00] monarch: when you select the Card Type
[04:16:00] monarch: as Video 4 Linux Standard
[04:16:00] myth_noob: k
[04:16:00] monarch: it'll ask you the audio device
[04:16:00] NightBird: hm... 84.57 with shipping..
[04:16:00] monarch: NightBird: damn, I think mine was $99 from Circuit City. I put it on my card
[04:16:00] NightBird: pfff
[04:16:00] NightBird: thats what you get for buying from a store :P
[04:17:00] NightBird: hm...
[04:17:00] NightBird: pvr 150 for 55.16...
[04:17:00] monarch: ourch
[04:17:00] monarch: ouch
[04:17:00] NightBird: well..
[04:17:00] NightBird: pvr 150 plus
[04:18:00] monarch: hmm, not sure what the plus is for
[04:18:00] NightBird: me neither...
[04:18:00] NightBird: that and the low price and I think it's without a remote is makeing me look on
[04:18:00] NightBird: :P
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[04:18:00] monarch: NightBird: yeah the remote is pretty cool
[04:18:00] NightBird: gah
[04:18:00] NightBird: $199 >>
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[04:19:00] monarch: NightBird: Of course, I haven't got it working on my system, cause I havne't needed to yet
[04:19:00] NightBird: oh
[04:19:00] NightBird: if thats the only reason why you haven't got it working, then thats probably fine
[04:19:00] monarch: NightBird: just haven't needed it
[04:19:00] NightBird: if you were haveing other problems :P
[04:19:00] monarch: NightBird: Haven't tried it at all
[04:19:00] monarch: NightBird: But there are several Howto's that include setting it up
[04:20:00] monarch: gentoo has a pretty good howto on what is needed with lirc
[04:20:00] ** NightBird nods **
[04:20:00] myth_noob: monarch, >>Card Type: Standard V4L >> Video: /dev/video0 >> VBI: /dev/vbi >> Audio: /dev/dsp >> Sampling Rate: 32000, do NOT adjust Volume >> Input: Television
[04:20:00] NightBird: http://www.pcnation.com/web/details.asp?affid . . . ;item=F25261 << looks like this may be the winner
[04:21:00] NightBird: though no image...
[04:21:00] monarch: hmm, it's a card dude, it looks like, um, a card ;-)
[04:21:00] NightBird: hm...
[04:21:00] NightBird: has full warrenty
[04:21:00] NightBird: yeah true
[04:21:00] NightBird: I've seen several images of it already
[04:21:00] monarch: ;-)
[04:22:00] monarch: myth_noob: Do you have 2.6 kernel?
[04:22:00] myth_noob: monarch, yes
[04:22:00] NightBird: hahaha... the tv tuner is as expensive as the hd... >>
[04:22:00] myth_noob: monarch, FC3
[04:22:00] monarch: myth_noob: did you build the kernel?
[04:22:00] monarch: myth_noob: that answers it?
[04:22:00] monarch: ;-)
[04:23:00] myth_noob: monarch, lol
[04:23:00] myth_noob: monarch, it worked til i rebooted...then it went to crap :(
[04:24:00] monarch: myth_noob: ;-) do you know if the kernel has OSS with ALSA compiled?
[04:24:00] monarch: myth_noob: so it worked fine until a reboot?
[04:24:00] monarch: NightBird: yeah, but the TV Tuner does alot, it is like a CPU on the card
[04:25:00] monarch: NightBird: it is worth the extra $ because your CPU usage is almost 0% while recording
[04:25:00] myth_noob: monarch, alsa in working, I have even updated to the latest kernel version
[04:25:00] monarch: myth_noob: Did you update the kernel before the reboot?
[04:25:00] myth_noob: monarch, alsa-kmdl-2.6.11–1.35_FC3 and alsa-driver
[04:26:00] monarch: myth_noob: does alsa have the OSS compatibility?
[04:26:00] myth_noob: monarch, no....system updates was the first thing i did befor i even started on mythtv
[04:26:00] monarch: myth_noob: you may need to change the /dev/dsp to ALSA driver
[04:26:00] monarch: isn't /dev/dsp the OSS sound device?
[04:26:00] myth_noob: monarch, how can i double check that??
[04:27:00] monarch: not sure what the ALSA equiv is
[04:27:00] monarch: um, um, let me check ;-)
[04:27:00] Darby: I think alsa uses /dev/dsp as well
[04:27:00] Darby: or at least fakes it
[04:28:00] monarch: Darby: isn't that if you have OSS compatibility build into the ALSA drivers?
[04:28:00] Darby: oh, probably
[04:28:00] myth_noob: i tested aplay, and that worked
[04:28:00] monarch: myth_noob: but that uses alsa drivers to play doesn't it?
[04:28:00] monarch: myth_noob: you might try /dev/sound/adsp
[04:29:00] myth_noob: monarch, aplay?? yes...from what i understand
[04:30:00] monarch: myth_noob: or /dev/sound/dsp
[04:30:00] monarch: myth_noob: I believe aplay stands for alsaplayer
[04:31:00] myth_noob: monarch, yes...it does
[04:32:00] monarch: myth_noob: I believe it is a problem between OSS and ALSA compatibility
[04:32:00] monarch: myth_noob: 2.6 is going with ALSA for the most part
[04:33:00] myth_noob: monarch, isn't that what i want??
[04:33:00] monarch: myth_noob: yeah, but I am not sure how to get there ;-)
[04:33:00] monarch: myth_noob: still looking up some things
[04:33:00] diamon: I just converted, use ALSA:default in place of /dev/dsp, and use default in place of the /dev/mixer device.
[04:34:00] myth_noob: diamon, where is the mixer setting??
[04:34:00] NightBird: hm... anyone know what version of linux kernel knoppmyth 5A16 uses?
[04:34:00] monarch: myth_noob: try /dev/snd
[04:34:00] diamon: I don't recall where it was, except that it was under setup. I think the mixer was in a few places, and /dev/dsp was in more.
[04:35:00] monarch: not sure which one yet though
[04:35:00] myth_noob: k
[04:36:00] monarch: myth_noob: got it
[04:36:00] monarch: in the Audio put ALSA:default
[04:37:00] myth_noob: k
[04:37:00] dh1: Drizzt321: sorry, i am back
[04:37:00] dh1: i was having dinner
[04:37:00] dh1: that error comes when i do "watch tv"
[04:38:00] Drizzt321: dh1: ah, ok
[04:38:00] monarch: dh1: log in as root and run MythTVFrontend
[04:38:00] monarch: dh1: see if you get the same error
[04:38:00] Drizzt321: dh1: are you using the pvr-350 video output as well as the audio output?
[04:38:00] monarch: dh1: if you don't then you know it is permissions
[04:39:00] dh1: monarch, but the audio works. i dont see how this is a permisions issue
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[04:39:00] monarch: dh1: not sure, but it is a quick check
[04:39:00] dh1: k
[04:39:00] dh1: checking
[04:39:00] Drizzt321: monarch: I think its that he may not have anything setup in his audio output setup, however he says that he doesn't have any sound in the comp exept for on the 350
[04:40:00] monarch: I get errors sometimes when logged in as user about trying to set the nice level
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[04:40:00] monarch: Drizzt321: ah, ok, just a check
[04:40:00] Drizzt321: monarch: yea, I already ran him through that, hehe
[04:40:00] monarch: Drizzt321: BTW, I loved the book
[04:40:00] monarch: books*
[04:41:00] Drizzt321: monarch: which book? its been quite a while since I've been in here...
[04:41:00] dh1: it is clearly trying to use the "" device in addition to the sound on the card. when i change "" in the config to "/foo" the error message changes acordingly. (btw still trying root)
[04:41:00] monarch: Drizzt321: the Drizzt D'Urdran
[04:41:00] Drizzt321: monarch: ohhh...I haven't actually read them, heh
[04:41:00] monarch: then why da nick?
[04:41:00] Drizzt321: dh1: yea, its expecting an audio device in there
[04:42:00] abarbaccia_away: hey guys, when you go to compile lirc do you need to actually make the modules in your kernel source or no?
[04:42:00] Drizzt321: monarch: from the campaign setting, not the books. I think the books took him from the setting
[04:42:00] monarch: dh1: have you tried putting "none" in the audio output area?
[04:42:00] Drizzt321: abarbaccia_away: no, the lirc makes the modules, puts them in the proper place to be loaded up, then all you have to do is run depmod
[04:42:00] monarch: abarbaccia_away: if you make them modules, it is easier to stop and restart just the drivers
[04:42:00] abarbaccia_away: Drizzt321, you didn't get my question – it needs the kernel source and i think the modules in the kernel source built – but im not sure
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[04:43:00] abarbaccia: monarch, how do you figure?
[04:43:00] monarch: abarbaccia: how did you get your kernel
[04:43:00] Drizzt321: abarbaccia: ohh. erm...no, I don't think they need to be made, but the source tree does need to be configured the same way as your currently running kernel
[04:43:00] abarbaccia: apt-get the source
[04:43:00] dh1: i havnt. i figured it would interpret something like that as a path anyway
[04:43:00] monarch: abarbaccia: then you should have everything to build the lirc
[04:43:00] abarbaccia: Drizzt321, right – so i can just make oldconfig
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[04:44:00] Drizzt321: abarbaccia: yea, if its a blank source tree
[04:44:00] myth_noob: sorry guys..acedently killed the power to my mythbox
[04:45:00] myth_noob: monarch, ALSA:default did not help
[04:45:00] dh1: monarch: it interpreted none as a path.
[04:46:00] monarch: dh1:  :-(
[04:46:00] monarch: myth_noob: :-(
[04:46:00] monarch: seems like I'm slippin guys
[04:46:00] myth_noob: monarch, its a monday thing
[04:47:00] ** NightBird just noticed the pvr 150 he was looking at was mce.... **
[04:47:00] ** NightBird picks a different card **
[04:47:00] abarbaccia: Drizzt321, what do you mean blank source tree – if im using a kernel i got from the repos, and the source for that kernel off the repos shouldn't that be good
[04:48:00] Drizzt321: abarbaccia: no, thats fine. I just meant if it hadn't be previously configured, which it sounds like thats what you have. which means you need to find your kernel config file, probably in /boot/ or somewhere like that for your kernel
[04:48:00] Drizzt321: abarbaccia: copy that into the kernel source tree as a file named .config, and then run 'make oldconfig'
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[04:48:00] dh1: maybe it would be easier to just config my soundcard
[04:48:00] abarbaccia: gotcha – i'ma look around for it
[04:48:00] ** dh1 doesnt know how to do that **
[04:49:00] NightBird: hm.... monarch, does the pvr-150 allow for output via the same card to a tv? if I were to get this card, could I have it be the output instead of a video card, or is that no good?
[04:50:00] monarch: dh1: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=15973&
[04:50:00] monarch: dh1: looks like that has some info about getting things workiing with TV out
[04:50:00] monarch: NightBird: PVR150 is only input
[04:50:00] NightBird: ok
[04:51:00] ** NightBird is wondering if his geforce 3 ti will be ok... **
[04:51:00] monarch: myth_noob: still looking
[04:51:00] abarbaccia: Drizzt321, do you think it comes with my kernels current .config file since its the source for the ubuntu kernel i'm running?
[04:51:00] NightBird: I'm looking around on the forum and I'm seeing people complaining about jerkiness, but I'm thinking they might be using it as an input source instead of output only
[04:51:00] myth_noob: monarch, ty :)
[04:51:00] Drizzt321: abarbaccia: maybe, maybe not. ask in the ubunto channel?
[04:52:00] ** myth_noob is still trying diff configs **
[04:52:00] NightBird: maybe I should stop worrying and worry about it if it comes..
[04:52:00] dh1: monarch: but. i got that part working. the issue is that it tries to use normal sound too
[04:52:00] monarch: myth_noob: do you have a /dev/dsp1 entry in you dev list?
[04:52:00] NightBird: hm... here is someone that said he used a GF4 MX card, so I'm sure a GF3 ti will be fine
[04:53:00] abarbaccia: probably
[04:53:00] abarbaccia: thanks Drizzt321
[04:53:00] monarch: mmmm, nothing like a Cold Cut Combo while helping people ;-)
[04:53:00] Drizzt321: abarbaccia: no prob
[04:53:00] myth_noob: monarch, yes and adsp1
[04:53:00] monarch: myth_noob: try the /dev/dsp1
[04:53:00] myth_noob: k
[04:53:00] monarch: myth_noob: I believe that is the cards sound recorder
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[04:54:00] monarch: myth_noob: if memory serves correctly
[04:54:00] monarch: NightBird: I use my MythTV to record, so I can burn to DVD
[04:54:00] monarch: NightBird: I haven't tried TV Out yet
[04:55:00] NightBird: hm... $253.49 for all of the parts I need....
[04:55:00] NightBird: (which is only a case, card, and hd...
[04:55:00] NightBird: I'm using scrap parts for the rest)
[04:56:00] monarch: sounds like a plan
[04:56:00] myth_noob: monarch, what about the sample rate??
[04:56:00] myth_noob: 32000??
[04:56:00] monarch: myth_noob: I'd try 48000 if you are going to DVD
[04:57:00] myth_noob: k
[04:57:00] monarch: anything else is fine otherwise
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[04:59:00] myth_noob: monarch, no, no sound at all with dsp1
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[05:00:00] monarch: myth_noob: ok
[05:00:00] monarch: myth_noob: I am not sure where else to go
[05:00:00] dh1: abarbaccia: i have been able to get mythtv to use the audio from my pvr 350.i checked the box. however i have no system sound set up in the machine. it tries to look anyway and gives a warning. how do i get rid of that?
[05:00:00] monarch: then
[05:01:00] monarch: dh1: How about setting it to /dev/null
[05:01:00] abarbaccia: ubuntu? – just go to system – preferences – sound – and turn off sound server
[05:02:00] monarch: abarbaccia: it isn't the system looking it is MythTV that is trying the sound device
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[05:02:00] dh1: i already did that from annother account. does that not carry over?
[05:02:00] dh1: cuz mythfrontend is in xinitrc. when i quit myth it goes back to my login. i never have time to actually set that
[05:03:00] myth_noob: monarch, that's kool....atleast you tried...if worst comes to worst i will reinstall everything...practice makes perfect :)
[05:03:00] myth_noob: ty to you to Darby
[05:03:00] monarch: myth_noob: yeah, my system is Gentoo, so I know what went into my kernel etc
[05:03:00] Darby: good luck myth_noob!
[05:03:00] abarbaccia: dh1 monarch all i know is dont use esd with myth
[05:03:00] monarch: myth_noob: I believe I used /dev/dsp1 and ALSA:default when I had my WinTVGo working
[05:04:00] dh1: if i tmemporarily disable that from xinitrc and then disable the sound server. will that pref be saved?
[05:04:00] monarch: dh1: under mythtvfrontend
[05:05:00] NightBird: ok
[05:05:00] myth_noob: monarch, i was a gentoo user for almost a year and loved every minute of it...then 2005 was released and no matter what...it would not install on any of my Athlon boxes...so i had to move back to fedora :()
[05:05:00] NightBird: stick a fork in me, I'm done thinking about myth for the night
[05:05:00] dh1: it was xsession. not xinitrc btw
[05:05:00] dh1: monarch: what did you mean?
[05:06:00] monarch: myth_noob: I haven't had a problem with 2005 on AMD
[05:06:00] monarch: Athlon
[05:06:00] monarch: dh1: got caught looking for a parameter
[05:06:00] monarch: dh1: where do you have the sound device setup?
[05:06:00] Darby: myth_noob, what was the problem?
[05:06:00] Darby: I got it going on an AMD 64 this week at work
[05:07:00] Darby: probably a bit off topic though
[05:07:00] monarch: Darby: I have been running Gentoo for the past 2+ years
[05:08:00] Darby: right on. I ran it a bit a few years back, and then I got a job recently and that's what we use, so I'm running it at home too
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[05:09:00] Darby: I'm about to rebuild my main machine with it as well.
[05:09:00] dh1: monarch: huh
[05:09:00] monarch: dh1: where did you setup the "none" for the sound device?
[05:10:00] dh1: let me check exactly. (xserver restart issues. it may be a sec before i can tell you)
[05:10:00] monarch: dh1: np, just wondering
[05:10:00] myth_noob: Darby, monarch, after a clean install...it wold say that my drives were not formated in the proper EXT2/EXT3 filesystem...but they were :(
[05:10:00] monarch: dh1: I am having problems finding it through the GUI
[05:11:00] monarch: myth_noob: using Fedora3?
[05:11:00] myth_noob: monarch, no...on gentoo
[05:11:00] myth_noob: that's why i had to move to fedora
[05:11:00] dh1: i think that was under setup general
[05:11:00] dh1: setup->general
[05:12:00] dh1: dont know for sure though
[05:12:00] myth_noob: cause i could never get gentoo to install, stage 1,2 and 3 all came up with the same results
[05:12:00] dh1: shit i gota reboot the thing
[05:12:00] Darby: myth_noob, that's bizarre. I've never seen that one
[05:13:00] monarch: myth_noob: oh ok ;-) missed the track there
[05:14:00] monarch: myth_noob: were you compiling the kernel yourself or using genkernel?
[05:14:00] myth_noob: monarch, i hated genkernel....i always compile it myself
[05:15:00] myth_noob: thats why i loved gentoo
[05:15:00] monarch: dh1: oh ok, did you say that you had tried /dev/null in there
[05:15:00] myth_noob: brb
[05:16:00] monarch: myth_noob: i don't know why you'd have a problem with the system like that after a reboot, unless the kernel didn't have EXT3
[05:16:00] dh1: no, i didnt not yet. i am still rebooting the system. will try in a sec
[05:16:00] monarch: myth_noob: could you reboot with the cD and access the system?
[05:16:00] monarch: dh1: np
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[05:17:00] dh1: didnt not yet. lol. i can speak english
[05:17:00] monarch: hmm, I think I am going to have to play around with some filesystems
[05:18:00] monarch: see which one works best with the 2+gb files that I have been dealing with
[05:18:00] monarch: dh1: ;-) English is a second language for me
[05:18:00] monarch: dh1: my first is Java, or VB, or C++, or php, or perl, or Pythong, or ... ;-)
[05:19:00] dh1: heh
[05:19:00] dh1: obj-c is probobly my favorite
[05:19:00] monarch: dh1: havn't gone there yet, that I am aware
[05:19:00] Darby: I'm using JFS for my video partitions
[05:19:00] Darby: It seems to work fine, but it's only been up for a week or so
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[05:20:00] monarch: I am looking at http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html
[05:20:00] dh1: its an awesome language with an awesome framework
[05:20:00] monarch: dh1: is it open source?
[05:20:00] monarch: Darby: and they say jfs is the best for larger files
[05:21:00] Darby: yeah, the docs reccommended JFS or XFS, so I flipped a coin ;-)
[05:21:00] monarch: Darby: apparently Reiser3 (what I am using) is the worst for large files
[05:21:00] Darby: yeah, I have that on my system partitions
[05:21:00] Darby: except /boot
[05:22:00] EL_Whistey: Oh no. Reiser is worst?
[05:22:00] EL_Whistey: Damn.
[05:23:00] rtsai_: Reiser is supposedly the best for lots of small files :).
[05:23:00] EL_Whistey: Well, Reiser shines over small files, yeah.
[05:23:00] EL_Whistey: But I wasn't aware it sucks for large ones.
[05:24:00] monarch: I am reading a Benchmark on LinuxGazette
[05:24:00] EL_Whistey: No doubt Hans would have an explanation for that :)
[05:24:00] monarch: they have pretty charts and everything ;-)
[05:24:00] rtsai_: If you're just dealing with 2GB or so, ext3 is probably fast enough.
[05:24:00] EL_Whistey: woo eyecandy
[05:24:00] monarch: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html
[05:24:00] rtsai_: It really becomes noticeable with high-def (or really long SD) stuff, like 8GB/hr.
[05:24:00] Darby: How much of a difference does it really make for a myth box though? I mean I delete a few big files now and then, but that's about it
[05:25:00] GreyFoxx: Darby: Since the average recording is 2–4 giges for SD , it can make a diff
[05:25:00] rtsai_: obviously depends on CPU, hard drive, etc., but I've heard tens of seconds for 10GB (so, say, one second per GB? :))
[05:25:00] Darby: oh, ok
[05:25:00] monarch: to move a 1Gb file to /dev/null they are showing a 4 second diff between Reiser and JFS
[05:26:00] rtsai_: I'd say 4 seconds is tolerable for deleting a recording.
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[05:26:00] rtsai_: possibly annoying, but not unusably so
[05:26:00] GreyFoxx: rtsai_: Maybe for you, but to most people it looks like a problem when the system "locks up" for 4 seconds :)
[05:26:00] monarch: to copy a 1Gb it is about 20 Seconds difference
[05:27:00] rtsai_: it would make more of a difference when changing channel in live TV, when the ringbuffer file gets deleted
[05:27:00] GreyFoxx: definately
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[05:27:00] monarch: of course, on that test Ext2 is about 5 seconds faster than JFS
[05:27:00] rtsai_: 4 seconds, bah. People are so spoiled these days. Have people already forgotten what the web was like at 33.6kbps?
[05:27:00] EL_Whistey: Err, that's a problem with mythtv IMHO.
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[05:27:00] monarch: rtsai_: how about 2400 Baud BBS?
[05:28:00] abarbaccia_away: nite ya'll
[05:28:00] GreyFoxx: rtsai_: The average netizen wasn't even online during those days :)
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[05:28:00] Darby: 2400 luxury!
[05:28:00] rtsai_: EL_Whistey: I know. Just kidding :). Use JFS.
[05:28:00] EL_Whistey: mythtv does an awful lot synchronously which it could do asynchronously
[05:28:00] rtsai_: it is easier to program synchronously
[05:28:00] EL_Whistey: no shit
[05:28:00] monarch: lol
[05:28:00] monarch: yep
[05:28:00] EL_Whistey: when I was coding in occam, we used to say it was 10x harder than the equivalent C.
[05:29:00] EL_Whistey: occam, on the transputer.
[05:29:00] monarch: anybody use PVR150?
[05:29:00] monarch: I am having a problem with PVR150 and MythTV recording invalid starting GOP
[05:30:00] monarch: if I do /dev/video0 > test.mpg the test.mpg has no issues with the header gop
[05:30:00] EL_Whistey: it is a funny thing about unix. Unix is a multiprocessing system where the multiprocessing is so poorly supported that people go to elaborate lengths to avoid doing it.
[05:30:00] EL_Whistey: it is also so good at interprocess communication that there are at least 5 fundamentally different and inconsistent ways to do it.
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[05:31:00] monarch: EL_Whistey: no it is async in general that is difficult to write to
[05:31:00] monarch: EL_Whistey: Windows does it no better
[05:31:00] EL_Whistey: I am aware of that, monarch. However, unix doesn't do it very well.
[05:31:00] EL_Whistey: And I'm only comparing it to operating systems, not Windows.
[05:31:00] monarch: ;-) ok
[05:31:00] Darby: does anything do it well?
[05:31:00] monarch: Darby: Yeah, JAVA ;-)
[05:31:00] monarch: lol
[05:32:00] EL_Whistey: Hmmm. Well, I'm a fan of microkernels.
[05:32:00] monarch: at least it consistantly does it across platforms
[05:32:00] Darby: woo hoo MKLinux was my frst distribution
[05:32:00] monarch: whether well or not ....
[05:32:00] EL_Whistey: I think things like qnix (is it?) is probably better at it.
[05:32:00] EL_Whistey: s/are/
[05:32:00] Darby: qnx
[05:32:00] EL_Whistey: Yeah.
[05:33:00] EL_Whistey: but it's moot, because as soon as anyone does anything good, the first thing they do is write a posix compatibility layer which has all the badness
[05:33:00] monarch: well, I am going to go
[05:33:00] Darby: So you're saying that everything should just be done in perl? ;-)
[05:34:00] EL_Whistey: tcl
[05:34:00] monarch: um, python, not
[05:34:00] Darby: Have a good night, Monarch
[05:34:00] EL_Whistey: PERL is the only language which looks better after it's compiled.
[05:34:00] Darby: lol
[05:34:00] Darby: that's funny
[05:34:00] monarch: python looks bad not compiled
[05:34:00] EL_Whistey: It's funny because it's true.
[05:34:00] monarch: not sure what it looks like after that
[05:34:00] EL_Whistey: I don't mind python.
[05:34:00] myth_noob: monarch, yes, i could boot into knoppix and read the hdd just fine and the kernel had ext3 in it
[05:34:00] Darby: It's actually my favorite language, but I don't program huge application either
[05:35:00] EL_Whistey: tcl is my favourite language.
[05:35:00] Darby: I tweaked with it a little
[05:35:00] monarch: the only prob I have with Python is there is no } or end block
[05:35:00] Darby: seems pretty neat,
[05:35:00] EL_Whistey: tcl is lisp for strings. very powerful.
[05:35:00] monarch: it looks strange
[05:35:00] Darby: White space for formatting seems to fortran
[05:36:00] monarch: perl isn't too bad, if done correctly
[05:36:00] EL_Whistey: Yeah, well, Guido vonRossum has very definite ideas about how things should be.
[05:36:00] monarch: of course, any language can be done bad ;-)
[05:36:00] EL_Whistey: Perl is a dog's breakfast.
[05:36:00] monarch: gotta go
[05:36:00] monarch: have fun, nice chatting with everyone
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[05:37:00] EL_Whistey: as someone clever once said: a design is finished when there's nothing you can take out. PERL has that bass ackwards.
[05:37:00] EL_Whistey: nothing more you can take out.
[05:39:00] Darby: WHAT, NOTHIN MORE YOU CAN PUT IN?
[05:39:00] Darby: doh!
[05:40:00] ** xris likes perl. for what it's good at **
[05:40:00] Darby: but show me another language you can code in by randomly hitting keys anfd have a decent chance at it compiling?
[05:41:00] xris: php.  :)
[05:41:00] xris: as long as you don't hit <?php in succession.  ;)
[05:41:00] EL_Whistey: erk, php.
[05:41:00] EL_Whistey: the VB of the interwebnet
[05:41:00] xris: php's great for what it was designed to do.
[05:41:00] EL_Whistey: tclhttpd is better
[05:42:00] xris: it makes my life easy, thus I like it.
[05:42:00] EL_Whistey: yeah, it certainly makes you live life at a more relaxed pace.
[05:42:00] xris: relaxed? damn, no...
[05:43:00] xris: means I get stuff done faster so they give me more work
[05:43:00] EL_Whistey: it's slower than a wet weekend in wisconsin.
[05:43:00] EL_Whistey: Yay. More $$$
[05:43:00] ** xris is salaried **
[05:43:00] dh1: abarbaccia_away: i still get that error even when i disbale the sound through gnome
[05:43:00] xris: thankfully, they gave me a minion, too.
[05:43:00] xris: and I get another at some point soon.
[05:43:00] EL_Whistey: Igor. Code this in PHP
[05:43:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[05:44:00] ** xris pats his minion on the head. **
[05:44:00] kormoc: EL_Whistey, it's kormoc, thank-you-very-much. Igor get's so old after awhile :)
[05:44:00] xris: and feeds him some more hot sauce.
[05:44:00] kormoc: yumyum!
[05:44:00] xris: kormoc: you remember to take that stuff home?
[05:45:00] EL_Whistey: whups, office politics over 30Mm away!
[05:45:00] kormoc: xris, actually, I did forget, I'll remember tomorrow likly
[05:45:00] xris: heh
[05:45:00] xris: EL_Whistey: don't really think we get many politics at our office. other than the D vs R thing...
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[05:45:00] EL_Whistey: DvR?
[05:46:00] Darby: Dem Repub, I assume
[05:46:00] xris: demopublican and republicrat
[05:46:00] EL_Whistey: ahhhhh.
[05:46:00] EL_Whistey: The dead have risen, and they're voting REPUBLICAN!!!
[05:46:00] kormoc: doesn't seem like the place a lot of repubs would work...
[05:46:00] xris: kormoc: some of the builders are... judging by their taste in talk radio
[05:46:00] xris: the rest of the company is FAR left.
[05:46:00] kormoc: ahh, fair nuff
[05:46:00] Darby: Not in Chicago. Here even the dead vote early and often ;-)
[05:46:00] ** kormoc nods **
[05:47:00] EL_Whistey: all LIFE is a BLUR of REPUBLICANS and MEAT
[05:47:00] myth_noob: ok guys, ty for the help...i think i will jsut do a rewrite tomorrow
[05:47:00] Darby: good nigh
[05:47:00] myth_noob: will let ua know what happens Dar
[05:47:00] myth_noob: Darby
[05:47:00] myth_noob: :)
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[05:47:00] Darby: :-)
[05:48:00] EL_Whistey: I'm waiting for nvidia to get back to me on the driver bug, and have put in a call to the doctor about it too
[05:48:00] Chutt: heh, scary.
[05:48:00] Darby: your doctor hacks drivers?
[05:48:00] Chutt: a full debug build takes 3 minutes
[05:49:00] EL_Whistey: It's very frustrating to have a closed source driver. I'd forgotten about this.
[05:49:00] EL_Whistey: Darby, my friend on the kernel team.
[05:49:00] Darby: hah, ok
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[05:52:00] Darby: Well, good night all
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[05:53:00] EL_Whistey: Nope, word is the kernel team know sweet FA about what's going on inside nvidia.
[05:53:00] EL_Whistey: I am so scr00d
[05:53:00] Chutt: why would the kernel team know about x issues, though?
[05:54:00] EL_Whistey: it's a driver problem. getting kernel messages.
[05:55:00] Chutt: how do you know it's not an X problem?
[05:55:00] EL_Whistey: well, if it's an X problem, X is somehow telling the kernel to report on it.
[05:55:00] Chutt: considering the nvidia x driver and the kernel module do talk to each other rather heavily
[05:56:00] EL_Whistey: perhaps using the little-known X extension 'XKernelUpFuck'
[05:56:00] EL_Whistey: Sure. But the only indication I get is kernel messages, so that's where I'm looking first.
[05:56:00] EL_Whistey: It's triggered by Xv under latest nvidia driver.
[05:56:00] Chutt: how do you know the kernel messages are even indicating the problem?
[05:57:00] EL_Whistey: they correlate in time with the observed out of spec behavior ... specifically a hang.
[05:58:00] Chutt: i had issues with xv until i went to 7667
[05:58:00] GreyFoxx: Hrm, that reminds me, time to try a newer version of the Nvidia driver
[05:58:00] Chutt: on this new machine
[05:58:00] EL_Whistey: This is 7667
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[05:58:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[05:58:00] Chutt: works perfectly for me
[05:58:00] EL_Whistey: 7667 geforce6600gx 2.6.12
[05:58:00] Chutt: gt
[05:58:00] NightBird: good night
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[05:58:00] EL_Whistey: yeah, gt
[05:58:00] Chutt: Linux Alkaid 2.6.12-3-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Mon Jul 4 16:07:37 BST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:59:00] Chutt: also with a 6600gt
[05:59:00] EL_Whistey: hmmm. Seems similar, yep.
[05:59:00] EL_Whistey: using tvout? 1080i mode?
[05:59:00] Chutt: 7174 would use lots of cpu on xv usage, but would otherwise be fine
[05:59:00] GreyFoxx: I've seen instances where if an app changes the resolution, and then changes it back the TVOverScan values appear to be ignored as if they were never set in the first place. the nvidia-settings driver shows the normal settingt sbut I have to change them to something else and then back again to get to what it was prior to the resolution change
[05:59:00] Chutt: 1600x1200 :p
[05:59:00] Chutt: you do have renderaccel disabled, right?
[05:59:00] EL_Whistey: nope :)
[05:59:00] Chutt: uh
[05:59:00] Chutt: turn it off?
[06:00:00] EL_Whistey: oh, actually, I tried that and I have it off.
[06:00:00] EL_Whistey: no improvement.
[06:00:00] Chutt: that generally fixes people's hanging issues
[06:00:00] EL_Whistey: would you be so kind, Chutt, as to paste your xfconfig somewhere?
[06:01:00] Chutt: there's really nothing in it that'd you'd find useful
[06:01:00] Chutt: everything's the default, except the driver name
[06:01:00] EL_Whistey: the set of nvidia options you have on/off.
[06:01:00] Chutt: and the two commented out module loads
[06:01:00] EL_Whistey: Ah, ok. All defaults.
[06:01:00] ** EL_Whistey nods **
[06:01:00] Chutt: right, no xserver options specified at all
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[06:02:00] EL_Whistey: I had overscan on, in an act of wildest optimism.
[06:02:00] ** EL_Whistey turns it off, turns everything off, tries again. This is PCIe btw. **
[06:02:00] Chutt: what are you displaying 1080i on?
[06:04:00] EL_Whistey: a lafinion 82w widescreen tv
[06:04:00] EL_Whistey: what about ~mythtv/.nvidia-setup? Anything interesting going on there for you?
[06:04:00] EL_Whistey: it still hangs with no nvidia options
[06:05:00] Chutt: 0/SyncToVBlank=1
[06:05:00] Chutt: 0/XVideoTextureSyncToVBlank=1
[06:05:00] Chutt: 0/XVideoBlitterSyncToVBlank=1
[06:05:00] Chutt: is about it
[06:05:00] EL_Whistey: I'll try that when it reboots
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[06:06:00] mchou: uh, reboot?
[06:06:00] mchou: what the hell for?
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[06:06:00] EL_Whistey: yeah, reboot. To remove the lockup.
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[06:06:00] mchou: EL_Whistey: heh, can you ssh to the box?
[06:07:00] EL_Whistey: I was ssh'd in.
[06:07:00] EL_Whistey: And the machine hangs sporadically, requiring a reboot
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[06:07:00] mchou: sounds like bad hardware :)
[06:07:00] EL_Whistey: the hangs correlate with the NVRM kernel messages, with about 8–10s frequency.
[06:07:00] fcrick: hey anyone know the command to tell me what kind of filesystem is on a device
[06:07:00] EL_Whistey: mchou, driver I would guess.
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[06:09:00] fcrick: nobody knows?
[06:09:00] fcrick: i hate how linux relies on you remembering obscure command names...
[06:10:00] xris: cat /etc/fstab?
[06:10:00] EL_Whistey: instead of memorising paths through endless guis and menus?
[06:10:00] fcrick: xris the fstab is wrong
[06:10:00] xris: fcrick: figured. just being a smartass
[06:10:00] fcrick: i have externals but they keep switching spots
[06:10:00] Chutt: 'mount'
[06:10:00] fcrick: like sda and sdb swap
[06:11:00] EL_Whistey: same problem, same setup as Chutt. Sucks to be me today.
[06:11:00] fcrick: i don't know what to do i have four of them and ever time i boot they are all in random spots again
[06:12:00] EL_Whistey: that's odd.
[06:12:00] EL_Whistey: they are actually scsi devices?
[06:12:00] mchou: EL_Whistey: you using composite extension?
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[06:12:00] xris: EL_Whistey: probably sata, or usb
[06:12:00] kormoc: or any form of memory card/stick
[06:12:00] fcrick: they are firewire and usb
[06:12:00] EL_Whistey: mchou, I'm on XFree86. Doesn't have composite does it? I'm not doing anything to turn it on.
[06:12:00] fcrick: 3 firewire externals and one usb2
[06:12:00] kormoc: fcrick, you should read up on udev, it would allow you to name them, no matter what order they get plugged in
[06:13:00] fcrick: ooh thanks udev eh
[06:13:00] fcrick: well right now i can't even see which is which
[06:13:00] fcrick: there is some command to tell but i can't remember
[06:13:00] kormoc: /sys is your friend
[06:13:00] kormoc: dmesg?
[06:13:00] Chutt: 'mount'
[06:13:00] xris: fcrick: why not just mount them?
[06:14:00] steven_h: Hya all, any idea how to force an OSS mixer to treat a mono input so that the sound appears on both L and R?
[06:14:00] fcrick: ahh dmesg thats it
[06:14:00] steven_h: I have an old mono camera I need to hook up, but I only get sound fromt he left channel – can I copy it to the left somehow (using knoppmyth)
[06:14:00] fcrick: well mounting fails at the moment
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[06:14:00] kormoc: steven_h, I don't beleive you can with oss
[06:14:00] fcrick: the power went out and i think they been fsck
[06:14:00] mchou: lol.
[06:14:00] kormoc: to fsck them
[06:14:00] EL_Whistey: reminds me, I've gotta get a ups + surge protector + antenna thing.
[06:14:00] Chutt: steven_h, buy a mono->stereo adapter
[06:15:00] EL_Whistey: You could use sox to feed the sound into both channels, I'm sure.
[06:15:00] EL_Whistey: inefficient, but at least it's cheap and dirty too.
[06:16:00] mchou: anybody know if the Envy24/HT has a HW mixer?
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[06:16:00] steven_h: Yeah, thanks for those ideas – was rather hoping there'd be a simple setting somewhere... will try google again..
[06:17:00] EL_Whistey: OSS largely sucks, btw.
[06:17:00] steven_h: meh, it works for me :-) (except for the mono bit :-( )
[06:18:00] EL_Whistey: What's a good and cheap way to protect an antenna?
[06:18:00] EL_Whistey: Apart from using an internal one.
[06:18:00] mchou: ah, never mind, HT does not seem to have HW mixer.
[06:18:00] EL_Whistey: Which I might do in the end.
[06:18:00] mchou: EL_Whistey: you libe in Florida? :)
[06:18:00] mchou: live*
[06:18:00] MonMotha: EL_Whistey: TV antenna?
[06:19:00] EL_Whistey: Heh. Nah. Up on a hill though. Yep, TV antenna. I'm using dvb-t.
[06:19:00] MonMotha: put it in a fiberglass shed
[06:19:00] MonMotha: works well if you're on a hill since you probably don't need a tower
[06:19:00] MonMotha: most outdoor TV antennas will last a good 10–15 years if well made though
[06:19:00] JeepJerk: can someone take a look at my dmesg from loading ivtv?
[06:20:00] JeepJerk: http://pastebin.com/311669
[06:20:00] EL_Whistey: Oh, MonMotha, I meant protect it from lightning. :}
[06:20:00] JeepJerk: I get craziness on the tv screen
[06:20:00] MonMotha: EL_Whistey: oh :) Get a gas discharge lightning suppression system
[06:20:00] MonMotha: not cheap, but not too expensive
[06:20:00] MonMotha: and ensure everything (especially the suppression device!) is well grounded
[06:21:00] EL_Whistey: We had a strike here a couple of months ago, it was about 100m away. It got in through cable and fried a hub and an ethernet port, but more interestingly it gaussed up every monitor and tv in the place.
[06:21:00] MonMotha: yeah
[06:21:00] mchou: EL_Whistey: nasty.
[06:21:00] MonMotha: gas discharge lightning arrestors are pretty good
[06:21:00] steven_h: or set up a huge lightning conductor above the antenna, and hope the lightning hits it and not the antenna :-)
[06:21:00] EL_Whistey: they all had circular purple and red patterns on them. Was cool. I can't imagine the magnetic field it must have given up.
[06:22:00] MonMotha: steven_h: even if it doesn't direclty hit the antenna, if the lightning rod is nearby, you'll get enough to break receivers
[06:22:00] EL_Whistey: MonMotha, danke. I'll check out a source.
[06:22:00] JeepJerk: this line in particular bothers me "ivtv-osd: mode is 720x480x32, linelength=2880
[06:22:00] EL_Whistey: well, as mentioned, some of this was purely inductive coupling. lightning is a bitch
[06:22:00] JeepJerk: since I have a 4:3 SD Tv
[06:22:00] MonMotha: JeepJerk: 720x480 capture is normal
[06:23:00] MonMotha: many 4:3 TVs have non-square pixels
[06:23:00] MonMotha: since native res (in NTSC land) is very close to 720x480 (like 7XXx486 IIRC)
[06:24:00] JeepJerk: I'm just trying to run the test pattern and I get sort of a white sawtooth pattern wrapping down the sreen
[06:24:00] MonMotha: what test pattern are you using? color bars?
[06:26:00] JeepJerk: yeah
[06:26:00] JeepJerk: using "/sbin/modprobe saa7127 enable_output=1 output_select=0 test_image=1"
[06:26:00] MonMotha: are you in PAL or NTSC land?
[06:26:00] JeepJerk: NTSC
[06:26:00] JeepJerk: here's the dmesg from trying to load test pattern http://pastebin.com/311674
[06:26:00] MonMotha: have you tried just hooking a video source up and seeing if it works?
[06:26:00] JeepJerk: to the tv?
[06:27:00] MonMotha: oh, you're wokring on the output from a PVR-350?
[06:27:00] JeepJerk: yeah
[06:27:00] MonMotha: for some reason I thought you were doing capture
[06:27:00] JeepJerk: sorry for not clarifying
[06:27:00] MonMotha: what's it look like if you just play back video on it?
[06:28:00] JeepJerk: dunno, don't have any video on here :?
[06:28:00] JeepJerk: haven't tested the capture yet
[06:28:00] mchou: Chutt: you use analog or SPDIF for sound on your A8N-Premium?
[06:28:00] Chutt: neither.
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[06:28:00] MonMotha: ok, it may jsut be setting up the test pattern wrong. I've not done decoder output (I have a 150), so I can't help much. I thought you were doing capture
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[06:50:00] JeepJerk: alright, so if I "dd if=/dev/video0 of=/dev/video16 bs=64k" I get video and audio
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[06:50:00] JeepJerk: but the video is all messed up
[06:50:00] JeepJerk: it has all these white lines overlaying it
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[06:56:00] Chutt: jeepjerk, turn off the osd
[06:57:00] Chutt: or set it to full alpha
[06:58:00] JeepJerk: how do I do that?
[06:59:00] Chutt: read the ivtv docs
[06:59:00] Chutt: they should be explaining all that
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[06:59:00] JeepJerk: i've been looking
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[07:14:00] JeepJerk: ok you were right chutt, needed to set alpha to 0
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[07:29:00] JeepJerk: any guess what these lines mean?
[07:29:00] JeepJerk: (EE) IVTVDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument
[07:29:00] JeepJerk: (EE) IVTVDEV(0): FBIOPAN_DISPLAY: Invalid argument
[07:29:00] JeepJerk: (EE) IVTVDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument
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[08:02:00] JeepJerk: Having trouble getting PVR-350 framebuffer to run xorg
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[08:02:00] JeepJerk: anyone here get this working?
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[08:34:00] JumpKnot0: I don't know what I'm missing, but I am trying to setup myth with my pvr-350. I can mplayer /dev/video0 and watch tv, but cannot watch tv in myth. I have set capture to /dev/video0 tuner0 when I try to watch tv I get a black screen. wehn starting the mythbackend I see: ChannelBase: Could not find input : Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 3. Anybody have any ideas how I can fix this? thanks...
[08:40:00] Agrajag-: set a default channel that actually exists
[08:40:00] JumpKnot0: channel 3 does exists
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[08:41:00] Agrajag-: in your database? and have you bound the right tuner to the right input which has channel 3?
[08:42:00] JumpKnot0: that I don't know :)... I'll see if I can find out
[08:43:00] JumpKnot0: yes as far as I can tell its in the database and the tuner is bound to the proper input...
[08:45:00] Agrajag-: hmm well the error message is saying that for channel 3, it can't find an input for that tuner.
[08:45:00] Agrajag-: so i would've thought that's the problem
[08:45:00] JumpKnot0: could the tuner be set incorrectly?
[08:46:00] Agrajag-: possibly
[08:46:00] JumpKnot0: my only tuner option is tuner0 though
[08:46:00] Agrajag-: i dunno i dont use pvr*
[08:46:00] JumpKnot0: no?
[08:47:00] Agrajag-: ?
[08:48:00] JeepJerk: any quick fixes to myth failing to read the ringbuffer with a PVR-350?
[08:48:00] JeepJerk: "2005-07–12 00:45:52.332 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read()."
[08:51:00] MonMotha: JeepJerk: that's a rather misleading error in my experience. Usually seems to mean that it can't read data from the card at all
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[08:54:00] JeepJerk: well I can def get video from the card outside of myth
[08:57:00] dh1: i am trying to figure out why my eth0 goes up only every other boot
[08:57:00] dh1: i have no idea where to start
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[08:57:00] JeepJerk: mine used to do that because I needed to get a new one
[08:57:00] JeepJerk: darn electrical storms
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[08:59:00] JeepJerk: well I think thats enough damage for tonight, I'll search the mailing lists in the morning
[08:59:00] JeepJerk: g'night all
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[09:06:00] SlicerDicer-: hi everybody
[09:06:00] SlicerDicer-: hows it going?
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[09:14:00] dh1: hola
[09:15:00] SlicerDicer-: bravo bravo echo charlie zulu tango..... message is authentic... I concur sir message is authentic! come on mythtv people what movie is that!
[09:15:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc, do you know?
[09:15:00] SlicerDicer-: haha!
[09:15:00] SlicerDicer-: I distracted kormoc :P
[09:17:00] SlicerDicer-: :/ or not
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[09:31:00] MonMotha: SlicerDicer-: please, wargames
[09:31:00] MonMotha: now that that's out of the way, does anyone know of a Digicipher II capture card?
[09:31:00] SlicerDicer-: no its not wargames
[09:31:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[09:32:00] SlicerDicer-: Crimson Tide BWA HA HA!
[09:32:00] MonMotha: well, a very similar line was in wargames
[09:32:00] MonMotha: possibly with different lauch codes
[09:32:00] SlicerDicer-: perhaps
[09:32:00] SlicerDicer-: but the code is what gives it away :P
[09:32:00] MonMotha: I guess I could go get my VHS...
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[09:35:00] SlicerDicer-: well chop chop :P sorry MonMotha I dont know nothing about that card
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[09:35:00] MonMotha: I'm looking for one
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[09:35:00] MonMotha: I'm not sure one even exists
[09:35:00] MonMotha: there's tons of DVB-S, but there's a couple channels I'd love that are only in Digicipher 2
[09:35:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh well color me stupid
[09:36:00] SlicerDicer-: see I dont even know!
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[09:47:00] mtjs: is it correct that I can create divx files from nuv files with nuvexport ?
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[15:19:00] Beirdo: stupid bot
[15:19:00] Beirdo: the netsplits caused it to flood on rejoin
[15:20:00] Beirdo: idiot bot
[15:28:00] didj: is it normal for the livetv to loose time? (not pausing or seeking at all), after say 30mins, it is 30sec behind?
[15:30:00] MonMotha: my live tv never looses time, but sometimes it loses it, usually due to "skipping"
[15:30:00] MonMotha: it's always going to be 5–10sec behind real live time anyway
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[15:45:00] ** mocker wonders if SUSE is finally releasing the full iso's on their FTP server. **
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[15:50:00] ** laga_ wonders if cyberknet has been in turkey lately **
[15:50:00] laga_: s/in/to/
[15:52:00] laga_: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ . . . 0553_pf.html
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[15:56:00] CyberKnet: laga_: hmmm. I wonder what they are going to do with those 450 sheep...
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[15:57:00] didj: lamb roast for the next year :)
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[15:58:00] CyberKnet: mmmm
[15:58:00] CyberKnet: lamb roast.
[15:58:00] CyberKnet: more likely lamb jerkey.
[15:58:00] CyberKnet: =)
[16:01:00] laga_: necrosodomie?
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[16:07:00] tobbel: hi
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[16:10:00] tobbel: i'm planning to build a htpc for running mythtv. i'm trying to get it completly passive cooled (pentium m, 12v external powersupply,..). but is it possible to install knoppmyth to a compactflash card?
[16:10:00] rtsai_: you're aware that flash media have a limited number of read/write cycles, right?
[16:11:00] tobbel: yes..well i thought just limited write cycles
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[16:11:00] rtsai_: yes
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[16:11:00] rtsai_: so with all these random linux processes logging stuff ...
[16:11:00] rtsai_: like cron every 10 minutes ...
[16:11:00] tobbel: can't you turn those of? :/
[16:11:00] tobbel: off
[16:11:00] rtsai_: Sure.
[16:12:00] tobbel: like all linux live cd's
[16:12:00] rtsai_: Hmm. Never thought of that; never used them.
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[16:12:00] rtsai_: Anyway, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that any CF card bigger than a CD size can fit KnoppMyth?
[16:13:00] tobbel: i'm afraid cf-card might be way too slow
[16:13:00] rtsai_: Ah, your question is about media speed
[16:13:00] rtsai_: so where are you planning to store all your HTPC recordings?
[16:14:00] tobbel: yep, boot time and so...media is stored over network
[16:14:00] rtsai_: then why not boot diskless as well?
[16:14:00] tobbel: thats exaclty what i want :)
[16:14:00] rtsai_: when why bother with CF at all?
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[16:15:00] rtsai_: are we talking about a split frontend/backend setup?
[16:15:00] tobbel: no no, it's just the media thats stored in the network
[16:16:00] Beirdo: CF should be fast enough for the system, I would think
[16:16:00] Beirdo: you'd have to try it
[16:17:00] Beirdo: as long as recordings are network file system of course
[16:17:00] Beirdo: although a purely diskless boot would be a decent plan
[16:18:00] tobbel: yes sure..do you know if its easy to install and boot knoppmyth on cf? (using an ide-adapter i guess)
[16:18:00] tobbel: it should be handled just like a harddrive,shouldn't it?
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[16:20:00] rtsai_: To answer your original question, I don't know. I've never used KnoppMyth, and I don't have any CF media.
[16:21:00] rtsai_: If you have a system already lying around, why not install KnoppMyth to that to judge the ease-of-install before laying down the cash for your expensive silent system?
[16:21:00] GotD0t: tobbel: with an ide adapter it should handle just like an ide drive
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[16:22:00] tobbel: i don't have any hardware lying around, just a mac mini i'm using right now. that's why i'm trying to figure out if this will work before i'm spending that much money
[16:22:00] tobbel: alright, nice :)
[16:25:00] rtsai_: Does anyone know what "mfd" (and "mfe") stand for?
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[16:25:00] rtsai_: heh. "Myth Frontend Daemon"
[16:28:00] Beirdo: mother....ing dumba$$?
[16:28:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:28:00] Beirdo: we have a few of those drop by occasionally
[16:29:00] CyberKnet: just a few
[16:29:00] Beirdo: oh there's one.. just kidding
[16:29:00] CyberKnet: one more minute till 7:30am PST as per NIST
[16:29:00] CyberKnet: ;P"
[16:29:00] CyberKnet: then I can call MSI and hell does start to unleash for them.
[16:30:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:30:00] Beirdo: good luck with that
[16:30:00] CyberKnet: Yeah, I'll need it.
[16:30:00] CyberKnet: Ooooh. they say they open at 7:30am PST for technical support, but I still get the "We are currently closed."
[16:31:00] CyberKnet: I have no patience!
[16:31:00] Beirdo: of course
[16:31:00] Beirdo: Taiwan's closed
[16:31:00] GotD0t: why did they close Taiwan?
[16:31:00] CyberKnet: GotD0t: Somebody set it up the bomb. It had no chance, and made it's time.
[16:31:00] Beirdo: ummm, because it's early in the morning?
[16:32:00] CyberKnet: seriously. that was funny. somebody appreciate it.
[16:32:00] Beirdo: silly boy
[16:32:00] CyberKnet: since when did aybabtu become not cool?
[16:33:00] Beirdo: about 5 min after I first heard it
[16:33:00] CyberKnet: dammit.
[16:33:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:33:00] ** GotD0t = lost **
[16:33:00] CyberKnet: GotD0t: All Your Base
[16:33:00] GotD0t: ya
[16:33:00] GotD0t: oh well
[16:33:00] CyberKnet: *sigh*
[16:33:00] CyberKnet: never mind.
[16:33:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:33:00] ** CyberKnet mumbles something about someone being uncool **
[16:34:00] Beirdo: woke up at 7:30 this morning and played puzzle pirates before work
[16:34:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:34:00] Beirdo: oh wait
[16:34:00] Beirdo: make that 6:30
[16:34:00] ** Beirdo slaps himself **
[16:34:00] CyberKnet: heh
[16:34:00] GotD0t: i woke up at 8:45 this morning and still didn't get enough sleep
[16:34:00] CyberKnet: yeah. they answered =)
[16:34:00] GotD0t: haha
[16:34:00] Beirdo: first woke up at 5:45, but told her I wanted like another hour or so of sleep before playing
[16:34:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:34:00] Beirdo: phones are evil
[16:35:00] GotD0t: complain that they didn't open when they said they were supposed to
[16:35:00] GotD0t: yea... phones are evil... they're too personal
[16:35:00] Beirdo: heh.
[16:35:00] GotD0t: i mean... why in the world would i want to hear the voice of the person im conversing with
[16:35:00] Beirdo: I'm not really complaining though
[16:35:00] Beirdo: I wanted to wake up early to play
[16:35:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:36:00] Beirdo: yeah, why would I possibly want to hear the voice of the woman I love...
[16:36:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:36:00] GotD0t: i dunno
[16:36:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:38:00] tobbel: hm, i found that there are linux drivers for the terratec cinergy t2 usb2.0 dvb-t receiver – does that mean i will work with mythtv? also with the included remote?
[16:39:00] Beirdo: possibly
[16:40:00] Beirdo: that depends on the drivers, etc. and which API they use, blah blah blah
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[16:40:00] dagar: I don't suppose someone could send me their pvr 150 firmware, I'm at work and don't have the cd
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[17:00:00] Geckofiend: dagar just download it from hauppage
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[17:03:00] sherdog: Hey all. Im located in denmark, and tvshows are way behind. Am I able to watch tvshows from US with MythTv?
[17:03:00] stoffel: how would what work?
[17:04:00] sherdog: Over the internet perhaps? Sry, I just found out about MythTv.. :)
[17:04:00] Beirdo: if you can record them off your TV source, then yes
[17:04:00] Beirdo: downloading TV is... kinda illegal in most places and is not condoned...
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[17:11:00] tim: quick question (I hope): when I try to 'make' the ivtv drivers (running ubuntu) It seems like every line is an error or warning leading me to believe theres something wrong w/ where I put my kernel source. I followed the set of commands here (http://pastebin.ca/17544) to install the source. Can anyone see anything wrong, or know what I did
[17:13:00] jonK: that post has expired
[17:15:00] tim: wierd...I just did it
[17:15:00] tim: i'll post again
[17:16:00] jonK: wait it was me
[17:16:00] jonK: had 17554
[17:16:00] jonK: not 17544
[17:16:00] tim: gotcha :)
[17:16:00] sherdog: Beirdo I understand, I do buy my own movies. However, waiting for a few month for an episode that my cabel provider is gonna send anyways, I dont cosider "stealing"
[17:16:00] tim: jonK, I had this problem before and you managed to help me fix it! you're running ubuntu right?
[17:17:00] jonK: I am
[17:17:00] Beirdo: sherdog: the law says otherwise
[17:17:00] jonK: shredog: regardless of the legality, you have a couple pragmatic problems
[17:17:00] jonK: mainly, you'd have to find a source to download from
[17:17:00] jonK: assuming you did, for good quality, mythtvfiles are quite large
[17:18:00] Beirdo: and as it IS illegal in the US (may not be in Denmark, I dunno), good luck
[17:18:00] CyberKnet: I predict a four in the immediate future!
[17:18:00] jonK: it would take a pile 'o bandwidth
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[17:20:00] jonK: tim, you might add the linux header package
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[17:20:00] gr8nash: hi all
[17:20:00] jonK: use synaptic to search for "header"
[17:20:00] jonK: and pick the one mathing your kernel
[17:21:00] tim: jonK, did that too :-
[17:21:00] tim: :-\*
[17:21:00] jonK: post the make results
[17:21:00] gr8nash: anyone use "svn" behind a proxy?
[17:21:00] tim: jonK, ok – one moment
[17:21:00] gr8nash: i have heard people complain about it not working.. and now its not because of my proxy.. anyone know a workaround?
[17:22:00] jonK: get rid of the proxy?
[17:22:00] jonK: oh wait, you probably were asking for a useful workaround
[17:23:00] gr8nash: heh..
[17:23:00] tim: jonK, this is the bottom half of the output it pretty much all looks like this (http://pastebin.ca/17546)
[17:23:00] sherdog: Beirdo Yeah, i know mate. But morally I can justify it to myself.. ;)
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[17:25:00] jonK: tim did you run any other make commands in /usr/src/linux?
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[17:27:00] tim: jonK, no
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[17:27:00] jonK: and what does uname -r give?
[17:28:00] Beirdo: dumbass network
[17:28:00] gr8nash: Beirdo, my man.. do you know howto use svn behind a proxy?
[17:28:00] Beirdo: nope
[17:29:00] Beirdo: I'm sure google does though
[17:29:00] gr8nash: im hoping..
[17:29:00] jonK: good deal tim
[17:29:00] tim: jonK, you truly are the greatest guy :-P
[17:29:00] jonK: no, i'm an ass
[17:29:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:30:00] tim: me too, its the only way to go
[17:30:00] Beirdo: no comment
[17:35:00] CyberKnet: wow.
[17:35:00] CyberKnet: just wow.
[17:35:00] jonK: ?
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[17:35:00] CyberKnet: How could you resist that Beirdo?
[17:36:00] ** Beirdo finds an appropriate response.... **
[17:36:00] Beirdo: ..|._
[17:36:00] Beirdo: there :)
[17:36:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:36:00] ** jonK hopes it involves a trout **
[17:36:00] CyberKnet: jonK: Apparently the only way to "go" is the ass.
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[17:36:00] CyberKnet: and Beirdo left that right alone.
[17:36:00] CyberKnet: *shakes head*
[17:36:00] ** Beirdo kicks CyberKnet in the ass **
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: and there it goes.
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[17:45:00] rtsai_: gr8nash: what kind of proxy? I tried to use svn behind squid, and I think squid doesn't like the WebDAV stuff.
[17:49:00] tim: jonK, theres a file on the driver hauppauge CD that i need to copy to my HD isn't there? (not extract with the script, but one I can just copy over)
[17:49:00] jonK: what card?
[17:49:00] tim: pvr-150
[17:49:00] jonK: yes, the HWmak.... soemthing
[17:49:00] tim: to /lib/modules?
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[17:50:00] jonK: yes, it's HcwMakoA.rom
[17:50:00] tim: got it, thx
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[17:53:00] gr8nash: rtsai_, yeah squid
[17:53:00] gr8nash: what did you do?
[17:55:00] ** gr8nash wonders if they could have made squid alittle more UN-user friendly if they really sad down and brain-stormed **
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[17:56:00] fatmatt: anyone using mfe/mfd? I'm trying to work out what it looks like/what it does
[17:56:00] Xoritor: ok so i have most of it working...
[17:56:00] Xoritor: but when i start the frontend, and try to watch live tv...
[17:56:00] Xoritor: it tells me that something is recording already
[17:57:00] Xoritor: can anyone point me to a doc that shows how to fix that?
[17:57:00] Xoritor: or specifically what the problem is
[17:57:00] Xoritor: mplayer /dev/video0 works
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[17:58:00] Xoritor: but the frontend says that something is recording... even after a reboot
[17:58:00] xris: Xoritor: http://mythweb_ip:6544
[17:59:00] xris: sorry, mythbox_ip
[17:59:00] fatmatt: Xoritor: does the user opening mythfrontend have read/write priveleges to the tuner?
[17:59:00] Xoritor: its all on the same machine
[17:59:00] fatmatt: ahh, just saw, mplayer works
[18:00:00] Chutt: there'll either be an error message on the backend console
[18:00:00] Xoritor: xris, where does that go?
[18:00:00] Chutt: or you didn't bother going through the setup program completely
[18:01:00] xris: Xoritor: status page
[18:01:00] Xoritor: Chutt, i could have sworn i went through everything... several times
[18:01:00] Xoritor: xris, cool... wait one let me check it
[18:01:00] Xoritor: Encoder 1 is remote on xmtv1 (currently not connected)
[18:02:00] Xoritor: that may be my issue huh?
[18:02:00] Xoritor: heh
[18:02:00] Chutt: you set it up wrong, looks like
[18:02:00] Xoritor: prolly cause of going through it 9000 times...
[18:02:00] Xoritor: :-/
[18:03:00] ** Xoritor needs to forllow hsi own advice **
[18:03:00] Xoritor: documentation!
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[18:03:00] Xoritor: heh
[18:03:00] MrSpiffy: yo!
[18:03:00] Xoritor: MrSpiffy, my first reaction to that is ho!, but thats not good
[18:03:00] Chutt: make sure the backend server ip matches the master server ip, and both are correct for your machine
[18:03:00] MrSpiffy: yo ho  ?
[18:04:00] MrSpiffy: nothing wrong with that
[18:04:00] Xoritor: Chutt, im going to check it again... but i could have sworn the only ip i used was 127.0.0.1
[18:04:00] Xoritor: MrSpiffy, didnt want to "cause any trouble"
[18:04:00] Xoritor: yo ho!
[18:04:00] Xoritor: hahahaha
[18:04:00] MrSpiffy: yo ho!
[18:04:00] Chutt: and check that it says 'Starting up as the master server.' when you run the backend
[18:04:00] MrSpiffy: as opposed to: yo, ho!
[18:04:00] Chutt: and that there aren't any other error messages.
[18:05:00] MrSpiffy: much different
[18:05:00] Xoritor: true dat
[18:05:00] MrSpiffy: yo is a ho
[18:05:00] MrSpiffy: (worse)
[18:05:00] Xoritor: Chutt, I will... and i am logging the frontend output also
[18:05:00] MrSpiffy: variant: yo, ho mo
[18:05:00] Xoritor: 2005-07–12 11:05:35.592 New DB connection, total: 1
[18:05:00] Xoritor: Starting up as the master server.
[18:05:00] Xoritor: so that is good
[18:06:00] Chutt: you haven't changed the hostname of the box, have you?
[18:06:00] ** MrSpiffy just finished building a new backend server – 3g p4ht with 4x120G hardware raid **
[18:06:00] fatmatt: nice
[18:06:00] MrSpiffy: *sweet*
[18:06:00] Xoritor: no... i added an entry to /etc/hosts though
[18:07:00] Xoritor: an "alias" for localhost
[18:07:00] fatmatt: how many tuner cards?
[18:07:00] Xoritor: 1
[18:07:00] Chutt: ie., the output of 'hostname' hasn't changed
[18:07:00] Xoritor: nope
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[18:07:00] MrSpiffy: the highpoint ide raid card is pretty cheap and I got it woring on FC2 – 2.6.5 kernel
[18:07:00] Xoritor: still localhost.localdomain for now
[18:07:00] Chutt: uh
[18:07:00] Xoritor: is it going to barf when i do change it?
[18:07:00] fatmatt: MrSpiffy: how many tuner cards?
[18:07:00] Chutt: Xoritor Encoder 1 is remote on xmtv1 (currently not connected)
[18:07:00] Chutt: looks like you've changed it to me, then
[18:07:00] Xoritor: xmtv1 is an alias to 127.0.0.1
[18:07:00] MrSpiffy: fatmatt, just the one
[18:07:00] Xoritor: ie...
[18:08:00] Chutt: doesn't matter
[18:08:00] Chutt: the name changed
[18:08:00] Xoritor: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost xmtv1
[18:08:00] Xoritor: oh
[18:08:00] Xoritor: hmm
[18:08:00] Xoritor: so what needs to happen here?
[18:08:00] MrSpiffy: fatmatt, but that can be changed – I have 2 more pci slots. just need cards with audio
[18:08:00] Xoritor: scrap it and start all over?
[18:08:00] Chutt: start over, unless you want to go change stuff in the db
[18:08:00] Xoritor: standard SQL changes?
[18:08:00] Chutt: it uses the text hostname as a key for things
[18:08:00] Chutt: pretty much
[18:08:00] Xoritor: or triggers and what not?
[18:08:00] MrSpiffy: Xoritor, change the DB dude
[18:08:00] Xoritor: haaa
[18:09:00] Xoritor: cool
[18:09:00] MrSpiffy: Xoritor, easy with mysqlcc
[18:09:00] Xoritor: bah
[18:09:00] Xoritor: ill just do it cli
[18:09:00] ** fatmatt uses phpmyadmin **
[18:09:00] ** Xoritor is hardcore **
[18:09:00] Chutt: there's quite a few places :p
[18:09:00] Xoritor: ;-)
[18:09:00] Xoritor: hahahahaha
[18:09:00] Xoritor: oh?
[18:10:00] Xoritor: well.. i plan on setting up another user
[18:10:00] Xoritor: so i may as well just do it over for the "myth user"
[18:10:00] Chutt: user doesn't matter for the backend
[18:10:00] Xoritor: hmm
[18:10:00] MrSpiffy: Xoritor, just del the DB and put a new blank one then, let mythtvsetup do the rest
[18:10:00] Chutt: it's all based on the hostname
[18:10:00] Xoritor: hmm
[18:11:00] Xoritor: prolly faster just do del the db
[18:11:00] Xoritor: another question
[18:11:00] Xoritor: i have a new hd cable box
[18:12:00] Xoritor: do i have to buy an hd tuner card to capture hd?
[18:12:00] MrSpiffy: oh boy
[18:12:00] Xoritor: heh
[18:12:00] xris: duh
[18:12:00] MrSpiffy: here we go
[18:12:00] xris: actually, if you have hd cable, you'd want firewire
[18:12:00] ** Xoritor looks abashed **
[18:12:00] Xoritor: oh ok
[18:12:00] Xoritor: thats easy
[18:12:00] Xoritor: this cable box even has sata
[18:12:00] Xoritor: ;-)
[18:12:00] xris: you won't get HD, but it's the best you can do.
[18:12:00] MrSpiffy: Xoritor, if you are luck enough to have a serial out on the box then you can control the box with mythtv – scripts
[18:12:00] Xoritor: im thinking i may be able to hack in via that sata conn
[18:13:00] fatmatt: Xoritor: you can capture HD with a coffee pot, OF COURSE you need a something that reads HD to capture HD
[18:13:00] Xoritor: thats what i figured
[18:13:00] Xoritor: :-/
[18:13:00] ** MrSpiffy looks into capturing hd with his coffee pot **
[18:13:00] ** Xoritor is a myth noob **
[18:13:00] Xoritor: not a noob for *nix but a noob for myth
[18:14:00] MrSpiffy: hmm. it's mr. coffee but no serial port.
[18:14:00] Xoritor: its freakin hot in here!
[18:14:00] MrSpiffy: rats
[18:14:00] fatmatt: actually, I take that smart ass comment back, I didn;t see the hd cable thing, yah firewire if its got it
[18:14:00] Xoritor: my french press has no serial either :-/
[18:14:00] xris: Xoritor: firewire is the best option for hd cable... you don't get hd, but there really isn't any other option since the hd cable stuff is generally encrypted
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[18:14:00] xris: but you're welcome to get in line for an air2pc and try it..
[18:14:00] Xoritor: well... the tv will do the hd stuff already
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[18:15:00] xris: Xoritor: but your cable box won't talk hd to the mythbox.
[18:15:00] Xoritor: yea
[18:15:00] Xoritor: figured
[18:15:00] fatmatt: does the tv actually have HD resolution? or is it just able to read/downsample HD? HD is expensive here
[18:15:00] xris: but 480p isn't bad
[18:15:00] Xoritor: yes 1080i
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[18:16:00] Xoritor: i have the brand new sony gigantic mo-fo tv that cost an arm and a leg for 36"
[18:16:00] phi0x: nice
[18:16:00] MrSpiffy: here's a thought – a mythtv frontend appliance
[18:16:00] fatmatt: v.nice
[18:16:00] phi0x: i have a rca 45 inch tv from 10–12 years ago
[18:16:00] phi0x: ;/
[18:17:00] MrSpiffy: anybody build a set top box that doesn;t cost a small fortune?
[18:17:00] phi0x: no high def:<
[18:17:00] phi0x: how do u build set top boxes
[18:17:00] phi0x: without renting the service providers
[18:17:00] fatmatt: MrSpiffy: I know some people running a frontend on a mini-itx with pxe boot
[18:17:00] Xoritor: heh
[18:17:00] Xoritor: mini-itx.com
[18:17:00] phi0x: with minimyth
[18:17:00] Xoritor: they got tons of stuff there
[18:17:00] Xoritor: yea
[18:18:00] xris: MrSpiffy: mine was $500 over 2 years ago
[18:18:00] xris: could build a similar one now for $300 or so
[18:18:00] Xoritor: i am going to do that once i figure out how to actually deal with mythtv
[18:18:00] phi0x: ok well i have a huge problem
[18:18:00] phi0x: i installed knoppmyth just to try it out
[18:18:00] phi0x: and thing works worth crap basically
[18:18:00] phi0x: doesnt start up backend i have to manually do it
[18:19:00] phi0x: doesnt change channels properly if ever
[18:19:00] phi0x: doesnt record
[18:19:00] phi0x: the tv signal is so laggy
[18:19:00] phi0x: like i hit watch tv and whole computer is lagged
[18:19:00] phi0x: couple frames per second like 2
[18:19:00] phi0x: if that
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[18:19:00] laga_: stop bitchung and give us your system specs ;)I
[18:19:00] laga_: bitching*
[18:19:00] fatmatt: yah
[18:19:00] MrSpiffy: xris, that's a lot of cahs
[18:19:00] laga_: i really cant type today
[18:19:00] aent: I'm also having problems with the whole changing channels thing, I can't get it to change no matter what I do
[18:20:00] aent: I have ivtv with a PVR-350
[18:20:00] xris: MrSpiffy: $300? that's cheap for hardware... I mean, a tivo costs $300 to just get rid of the monthly fee.
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[18:20:00] mejo: hi
[18:21:00] phi0x: 1700+ athlon xp, 768 ddr ram pc 2100, 1 20gb maxtor as main drive, 1 200gb seagate as data drive, sony dvd-rom 40x, shitty but workable in linux- leadtek winfast tv2000xp pro
[18:21:00] aent: any ideas on how to get my card to change channels?
[18:21:00] xris: but I think I'm off on my calculation... would be slightly more than that.
[18:21:00] phi0x: now i had the same setup but with windows and beyond tv and it worked fine
[18:22:00] phi0x: i also had my ati hdtv wonder hacked for analog to work in MCE and that worked fine but since the ati cards dont work in linux i put back in my leadtek card and used knoppmyth
[18:22:00] mejo: i've a wintv pvr-350 on an amd athlon 64 3200+ and i use ivtv-0.3.6z + mythtv 0.18.1.
[18:22:00] xris: asus pundit, $100; cpu, $50–70; pvr-150, $60; ram, 70–90; hard drive, 50–150
[18:22:00] phi0x: i also had problem a few months ago when i tried slackware for it
[18:22:00] mejo: i'm located in germany (PAL) and i see a tv stream.
[18:22:00] mejo: but how do i change channel.
[18:22:00] xris: mejo: broadcast?
[18:23:00] laga_: mejo: are you sure that your channels are properly setup? give me some examples of your freqids.
[18:23:00] phi0x: i got mine to change channels once, it was cool.
[18:23:00] rjune: xris: watching what you want when you want.... priceless
[18:23:00] xris: #mythtv-de might help you more, too.
[18:23:00] laga_: mejo: unfortunately, the german wiki is currently down
[18:23:00] mejo: xris: what do you mean?
[18:23:00] fatmatt: phi0x: have you checked out hdparm on that machine?
[18:23:00] xris: mejo: is it broadcast tv? or coming in from the output of a cable or satellite box?
[18:24:00] MrSpiffy: any feedback on the mini-myth project?
[18:24:00] phi0x: im sorrty fatmatt, can you explain hdparm
[18:24:00] mejo: xris: it's a cable tv.
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[18:24:00] phi0x: could it be why everything goes so laggy when trying to watch tv off same backend machine
[18:24:00] mejo: laga_: where can i find the freqids, in the mysql database?
[18:24:00] phi0x: i dunno if it would be better using a seperate frontend to watch
[18:24:00] xris: mejo: it should just work, as long as you set up the frequency table setting properly in mythtv-setup
[18:24:00] laga_: mejo: in the channels table
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[18:25:00] fatmatt: phi0x: sometimes the hard drive in linux isn't configured for the fastest/best speeds, hdparm can speed it up, up to 10x better performance on one machine of mine
[18:25:00] phi0x: like dma
[18:25:00] fatmatt: it can also display the current settings
[18:25:00] fatmatt: yup
[18:25:00] phi0x: hmm
[18:25:00] phi0x: so ur thinking thats the problem right there
[18:25:00] phi0x: for huge laggyness tv
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[18:26:00] phi0x: because its not acceptable when windows can make it work fine:P
[18:26:00] phi0x: lol
[18:26:00] phi0x: i needs to fix it
[18:26:00] phi0x: so what do i do to turn on hdparm
[18:27:00] fatmatt: try "hdparm -tT /dev/hda" see what speeds your getting
[18:29:00] Xoritor: fatmatt, thats not a very accurate accounting of drives speeds
[18:29:00] Xoritor: it gives too much to the drive buffers...
[18:29:00] fatmatt: ballpark it will tell you if DMA is anabled
[18:30:00] fatmatt: or if thers anything hugely out of whack
[18:30:00] Xoritor: dmesg | grep dma
[18:30:00] fatmatt: or theres that yah
[18:30:00] MrSpiffy: xris, how about using a ps2 with linux – will a frontend work on that? it has a tv out ....
[18:31:00] Xoritor: also iostat... throw out the first accounting as it shows the startup of iostat itself
[18:31:00] Xoritor: or sar with the various switches
[18:31:00] xris: MrSpiffy: no clue
[18:32:00] fatmatt: hdparm -c -d /dev/hda
[18:32:00] Xoritor: as for turning on dma... it _should_ be turned on by the kernel... so you should _NEVER_ have to turn it on manual
[18:32:00] Xoritor: if its not turned on via the kernel then there is usually something wrong with the drive
[18:32:00] fatmatt: I think I had to enable it on the default debian install
[18:33:00] Xoritor: or the chipset
[18:33:00] Xoritor: for older kernels yes...
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[18:33:00] Xoritor: but the newer ones should all have it on by default
[18:34:00] MrSpiffy: xris, nevermind – no slot or tuner card option
[18:34:00] Xoritor: so i was told by Arjan, Dave Jones, Alan, etc...
[18:34:00] Xoritor: all at once no doubt
[18:34:00] Xoritor: that was a storm of stuff... hehe
[18:34:00] jonK: while singing?
[18:34:00] jonK: the'd make a fine trio
[18:34:00] Xoritor: i felt like i was standing on my head after that
[18:34:00] xris: MrSpiffy: you stid frontend
[18:34:00] xris: said
[18:34:00] Xoritor: hahaha
[18:35:00] phi0x: ?
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[18:37:00] phi0x: well i can tell you in xawtv
[18:37:00] phi0x: works fine for moving niecly
[18:37:00] phi0x: but reception looks like crap
[18:37:00] phi0x: but at least it can play in fullscreen with no glitching/lagging
[18:37:00] MrSpiffy: xris, it probably won;t build on that linux version
[18:37:00] phi0x: while in mythtv it runs laggy
[18:37:00] Chutt: xawtv isn't recording
[18:38:00] phi0x: so im guessing it is dma because backend has to route the signal through the 127.0.0.1 and send it to the frontend localhost
[18:38:00] phi0x: yeah
[18:38:00] Chutt: if the reception is really poor, you'll be using lots of cpu to encode the crappiness of it
[18:38:00] phi0x: its perfect reception normaly
[18:38:00] fatmatt: phi0x: in mythtv, the video is buffered to the hard drive before playback, thus if theres a slow hdd then that could cause issues
[18:38:00] Chutt: you just said xawtv looked bad
[18:38:00] phi0x: well in windows it was perfect but xawtv is set at pal and i dunno how to set it to ntsc
[18:38:00] phi0x: so thats why its all wonky
[18:38:00] Chutt: myth uses the same interface
[18:39:00] Chutt: so it'll have the same problems
[18:39:00] phi0x: dunno
[18:39:00] phi0x: worked ifne in windows
[18:39:00] Chutt: so?
[18:39:00] Chutt: get it working in xawtv first
[18:39:00] Chutt: or just use windows
[18:39:00] phi0x: dunno how to switch to ntsc
[18:39:00] phi0x: i cant use windows because it doesnt have all the functions that i need like playing divx
[18:39:00] phi0x: in MCE
[18:40:00] phi0x: brb
[18:40:00] fatmatt: phi0x: just do a "hdparm -d /dev/hda" and it will tell you if dma is on
[18:40:00] Chutt: yes, dma _must_ be off!
[18:40:00] Chutt: it can't be that his tuner card is setup improperly
[18:41:00] fatmatt: didn't he say it was working in xawtv?
[18:41:00] Chutt: no, he just said it WASN'T
[18:42:00] fatmatt: ahh okay
[18:42:00] Geckofiend: Xoritor DMA on by default is a config prarameter in the kernel, if it wasn't set then it's not on by default.
[18:43:00] Chutt: if someone's compiling a recent kernel with dma disabled by default, they certainly shouldn't be distributing it to others
[18:43:00] Xoritor: Geckofiend, yes true... if your compiling your own kernels
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[18:43:00] Xoritor: Geckofiend, if your using a recent distro with a recent kernel it _should_ have dma on by default if applicable for the drives
[18:43:00] Xoritor: that is a bit more correct
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[18:46:00] fatmatt: I had to enable dma the last time I installed myth on a debian machine, picture was choppy like he was saying, I did compile my own kernel, but I needed to fill in the hdparm.conf stuff for some reason as well
[18:47:00] Xoritor: heh
[18:47:00] Xoritor: hdparm is dangerous
[18:47:00] MrSpiffy: ok – what is a good choice for a video card with tv-out that works with X and mythtv ?
[18:48:00] Xoritor: MrSpiffy, im using :: nVidia Corporation NV36 [GeForce FX 5700LE]
[18:48:00] Xoritor: with dvi -> hdmi (corret) cable
[18:48:00] Xoritor: s/corret/correct/
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[18:55:00] MrSpiffy: well – enjoy folks
[18:55:00] MrSpiffy: *paf*
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[18:55:00] ** xris congratulates Beirdo on spending large amounts of money for a woman he's never actually met. **
[18:56:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:56:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[18:56:00] xris: ;0
[18:56:00] ** Beirdo is happy to do so **
[18:56:00] xris: ;)
[18:57:00] fatmatt: Whats Beirdo been doing?
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[18:58:00] laga_: err
[18:58:00] laga_: you've never met her?
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[18:59:00] kormoc: laga_, that's bout to be fixed!
[18:59:00] ** fatmatt searchs #mythtv-users logs **
[18:59:00] Beirdo: :)
[18:59:00] laga_: kormoc: oh, ok.
[19:00:00] Beirdo: that's the whole point of the trip
[19:00:00] Beirdo: and to escape work, of course
[19:00:00] jonK: mail order bride?
[19:00:00] Beirdo: no
[19:00:00] fatmatt: mail order husband?
[19:00:00] kormoc: !
[19:00:00] laga_: rotfl
[19:00:00] fatmatt: are you posting yourself somewhere Beirdo ?
[19:00:00] ** Beirdo kicks fatmatt in the nuts **
[19:00:00] kormoc: FatDarrel, how can it be a husband with a her?
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[19:01:00] laga_: kormoc: ever heard the term 'shemale'?
[19:01:00] ** jonK finds Beirdo awfully defensive **
[19:01:00] fatmatt: Beirdo is a girl?
[19:01:00] kormoc: laga_, !!
[19:01:00] fatmatt: I'm confused now
[19:01:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:01:00] kormoc: fatmatt, no, but the girl he's visiting is a girl...
[19:01:00] Beirdo: you are confused alright
[19:01:00] xris: lol
[19:01:00] laga_: kormoc: i was only answering your question :>
[19:01:00] ** xris appologizes to Beirdo for starting this conversation. **
[19:01:00] Beirdo: silly Aussie needs some sleep
[19:02:00] jonK: so she claims...
[19:02:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:02:00] Beirdo: jonK: whatever, dude.
[19:02:00] laga_: xris: /help query;)
[19:02:00] kormoc: Beirdo, it's obvious what's up, jonK had a... experence once and is still recovering
[19:02:00] jonK: actually, hope you have fantastic time... where you headed too?
[19:02:00] xris: laga_: well, I did that on purpose....
[19:02:00] ** Beirdo decides it's time for lunch **
[19:02:00] Beirdo: Puerto Rico
[19:02:00] jonK: sweet
[19:02:00] ** kormoc waves **
[19:03:00] fatmatt: thats worrying, I read "silly Aussie needs some sleep" as "silly Aussie needs some sheep"
[19:03:00] xris: my sister just got back from there, actually
[19:03:00] laga_: dinner time for me
[19:03:00] Beirdo: just in time to escape Emily
[19:03:00] Beirdo: fatmatt: well, maybe you need that too
[19:03:00] fatmatt: I think not Beirdo
[19:03:00] Beirdo: OK...
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[19:04:00] kormoc: fatmatt, we'll just disagree with ya then :P
[19:04:00] fatmatt: rofl
[19:05:00] Beirdo: food time
[19:05:00] fatmatt: they need to start doing something here so I have less time to be idle
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[19:07:00] fatmatt: hmm, does anyone know if mfd/mfe are standalone? or do they need myth to run?
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[19:13:00] xris: fatmatt: well, they're "frontend"... so....
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[19:15:00] fatmatt: xris: I'm trying to work out exactly what it does and how that compares to mythmusic
[19:18:00] rah: Chutt: it would appear that matching callsigns is not all that's necessary
[19:18:00] rah: Chutt: in fact, I think either the backend or the UI is wrong, wrong, wrong
[19:18:00] rah: Chutt: the channel number is displayed in the UI
[19:22:00] gr8nash: xris, im sure this isnt news to you, but this is the remote/webinterface for myth i was talking about.. http://studwww.ugent.be/~aveys/mythwifi/
[19:23:00] gr8nash: bah.. Beirdo google was stumped =)
[19:26:00] ** gr8nash just turns off proxy for a bit **
[19:27:00] ** CyberKnet just turned on proxy for a bit **
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[19:28:00] CyberKnet: gr8nash: You also got an MSI 6600GT, but in AGP form factor, didn't you?
[19:31:00] rtsai_: gr8nash: I just had to make sure svn doesn't go through squid. Total suckage.
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[19:33:00] gr8nash: CyberKnet, i have 5 6600's
[19:34:00] gr8nash: 2 agp 2 sli.. sorry i mean 4 6600's
[19:34:00] CyberKnet: gr8nash: two agp two sli ... do you mean two agp, two pci-express?
[19:34:00] gr8nash: rtsai_, cool at least i know now.. its cool
[19:35:00] gr8nash: CyberKnet, yep.. sorry
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[19:35:00] gr8nash: 2 in SLI.. would be a better way of saying that
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[19:35:00] gr8nash: CyberKnet, btw my AGP 6600 has "Comp In"
[19:35:00] gr8nash: wouldnt that be composite in?
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: gr8nash: yes.
[19:36:00] gr8nash: as in video in?
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: well, either that or component in
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: but I dont think it would be component in
[19:36:00] gr8nash: right..its 1 rca
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: Yeah, I think that would be component in
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: gah
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: stupid
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: I think that would be composite in
[19:37:00] gr8nash: were you the one mad at me for saying my 6600 has video in?
[19:41:00] CyberKnet: I wouldn't say that I was mad at you =)
[19:41:00] CyberKnet: I would say that the day I ordered mine you and I talked, and you talked to a friend at some store who said that the pci-express version definitely had composite in. But no, I wouldn;t say I was mad at you over it.
[19:43:00] CyberKnet: I was disappointed when i got the card, but honestly, it's really not that big of a deal. If I want to capture something over composite or svideo I just hook it up to my pvr-500 and call it a day
[19:48:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, yay, btw, your card's won't let my p3 500x2 system boot :P
[19:50:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: ?!
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[19:50:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: what awful voodoo magic is this?
[19:50:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, put card in, system turns on, freezes sold before bios can beep. Take card out, computer boots, rince and repeat.
[19:51:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: Did you try them in any other systems?
[19:51:00] kormoc: does it with both cards in every pci slot :)
[19:51:00] kormoc: I have one in my main desktop, and it gets detected, but only static for a image yet, I need to figure out how to tune it.
[19:51:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: that's very, very odd.
[19:51:00] ** kormoc nods **
[19:51:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: I never had any sort of issues like that.
[19:51:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: only static for an image .... did you set the tuner type?
[19:52:00] kormoc: hrm, crap, Id on't think I did on that box!
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[19:52:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: are you using the tuner, msp3400 and other kernel modules provided by ivtv? That can be a real bastard some times because you don't realize the other modules are there from the mainstream kernel.
[19:52:00] kormoc: I think so...
[19:52:00] ** kormoc should check to make sure **
[19:53:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: Yeah, double check later. That one will bite you too.
[19:53:00] CyberKnet: but definitely set the tuner type. I'm pretty sure it isn't autodetected correctly on the m179's
[19:53:00] ** kormoc nods **
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[19:54:00] kormoc: sounds good, I only threw the one into my box last minute like, given I exhusted any reason why they wouldn't work in the p3 box
[19:54:00] kormoc: had to reorder things all around my main box to fit it, those are thickish cards
[19:55:00] CyberKnet: They sure are. And they produce a bit of heat, too.
[19:55:00] CyberKnet: keep that in mind.
[19:56:00] CyberKnet: those resistors get *hot*
[19:56:00] kormoc: yeah...
[19:56:00] kormoc: sadly, every single pci slot in my main box is taken, and I still have a card to fit in somewhere... :P
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[20:11:00] rah: kormoc: get a pci doubler
[20:11:00] kormoc: rah, intresting idea, tho how does that help?
[20:12:00] fatmatt: rah: where do they sell those?
[20:12:00] rah: it doesn't
[20:12:00] rah: I made it up
[20:12:00] ** rah sniggers **
[20:12:00] ** fatmatt is lame **
[20:12:00] rah: hehe
[20:12:00] fatmatt: I got all excited for a minute
[20:12:00] kormoc: esp given to use the doubler, I'd need to remove another card to allow space for it to be doubled.
[20:13:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: Could try a PCI-slot-on-a-ribbon extender. but they're prone to hassles.
[20:14:00] kormoc: and mounting issues
[20:15:00] CyberKnet: heh =)
[20:16:00] CyberKnet: I've never seen one that was long enough to be useful. And if I did, I suspect it would be too long to be able to be used.
[20:16:00] CyberKnet: not to mention they're awfully expensive =)
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[20:52:00] xoritor: ok.. so i got it all reset (i think)
[20:52:00] xoritor: heh
[20:52:00] xoritor: i rebuilt the db and refilled it
[20:53:00] xoritor: now i get these errors
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[20:53:00] xoritor: NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back
[20:53:00] xoritor: VIDOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument
[20:53:00] Chutt: told it you have the wrong kind of card.
[20:53:00] xoritor: TVRec: Recording Prematurely Stopped
[20:53:00] xoritor: what kind of card is the pvr-150?
[20:53:00] Chutt: you've told it that you have a bttv card
[20:54:00] xoritor: hmm
[20:54:00] xoritor: i said standard v4l
[20:55:00] Beirdo: which it isn't
[20:55:00] xoritor: is it mpeg?
[20:55:00] Beirdo: yes.
[20:55:00] kormoc: indeed it is
[20:55:00] xoritor: :-D
[20:55:00] xoritor: yay.. thank you
[20:55:00] Beirdo: you bought the card and don't even know that? :)
[20:55:00] ** xoritor tries it again **
[20:55:00] xoritor: i bought it some time ago...
[20:55:00] ** xoritor has been kinda busy **
[20:55:00] kormoc: someone has some money to burn!
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[20:59:00] CyberKnet: heh
[20:59:00] xoritor: NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back
[20:59:00] xoritor: VIDOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument
[21:00:00] Chutt: you have to restart the backend.
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[21:02:00] xoritor: well... that kinda worked
[21:02:00] xoritor: now i just get static
[21:03:00] laga: the official term is 'ant war'
[21:03:00] xoritor: hahaha
[21:04:00] beavis: Chutt: they're slowly switching to gcc-4.0 on debian. so everything (like qt) is still compiled with gcc-3.3. It looks like this causes my crashes. --> /usr/bin/ld: warning: libstdc++.so.5, needed by /usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so, may conflict with libstdc++.so.6
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[21:09:00] beavis: Hmm, I'm not able to start the backend as a service: 2005-07–12 19:23:35.807 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt
[21:09:00] beavis: 2005-07–12 19:23:35.928 Trying to create a basic mysql.txt file
[21:09:00] beavis: 2005-07–12 19:23:35.930 Could not create //.mythtv
[21:09:00] beavis: what does it mean?
[21:10:00] Chutt: means you don't have $HOME set
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[21:11:00] FatDarrel: kormoc: don't know
[21:12:00] kormoc: huh?
[21:12:00] beavis: echo $HOME
[21:12:00] beavis: /root
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[21:12:00] beavis: hmm, why isn't it set when I boot
[21:13:00] laga: beavis: i guess the init script doesn't read /etc/profile or whatever
[21:14:00] do3mca: hi, i have some odd problem not exactly related to mythtv, but maybe someone can give me some hint anyway. when trying to run any tv app or v4l-conf (as user), my display turns black and the monitor isnt triggered by the computer anymore at all (Power Save Mode of monitor goes active).
[21:16:00] laga: *cough*
[21:16:00] laga: hi mc. ;)
[21:16:00] do3mca: hi laga :)
[21:17:00] laga: do3mca: does the box hang, or does it still respond to ssh/ping?
[21:17:00] do3mca: the latter, i can even alt-f1 und ctrl-alt-del. only the monitor seems not to be triggered anymore.
[21:17:00] do3mca: ctrl-alt-f1 even :-)
[21:18:00] laga: that's odd. umm, try to disable the power saving stuff? i bet it won't help, but here we go:
[21:18:00] laga: give me a sec, i got to ssh to another box
[21:19:00] laga: http://pastebin.ca/17566
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[21:19:00] laga: do3mca: another thought. do you have the v4l module in your X config?
[21:20:00] do3mca: yup, gets loaded, too.
[21:21:00] do3mca: disabling the dpms stuff didnt help btw, lemme check wether i can get rid of apm.ko
[21:21:00] xoritor: well i got it working... odd issues with ivtv
[21:21:00] xoritor: and the eeprom
[21:21:00] xoritor: etc..
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[21:22:00] laga: do3mca: disable the v4l module could help.
[21:23:00] do3mca: mh.
[21:23:00] laga: disabling*
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[21:26:00] xoritor: kernel: ivtv: ENC IRQ OVERFLOW: #3340 Stealing a Buffer, 2 currently allocated
[21:26:00] xoritor: heh
[21:26:00] laga: ivtv fun :>
[21:26:00] do3mca: mh. no.
[21:27:00] laga: do3mca: it could be related to some very odd hardware b0rkage.
[21:27:00] do3mca: it worked before. :-) w/ 2.4, i tried 2.6 now. but maybe *check*
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[21:28:00] laga: do3mca: i guess 2.6 isn't entirely stable for you yet ;)
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[21:29:00] do3mca: sotospeak
[21:30:00] do3mca: mhmh. i guess its some fb oddity.
[21:30:00] ** laga wonders if it works with mplayer in a console **
[21:32:00] do3mca: lemme check grabdisplay-.
[21:33:00] laga: do3mca: what gfx card are you using?
[21:33:00] do3mca: gfx? ati radeon 9600 w/ fglrx drivers
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[21:39:00] rah: Chutt: it would appear that matching callsigns is not all that's necessary
[21:39:00] rah: Chutt: in fact, I think either the backend or the UI is doing bad things
[21:39:00] rah: Chutt: the channel number is displayed in the UI
[21:39:00] Beirdo: oh here we go again
[21:40:00] ** rah wonders where we're going **
[21:40:00] laga: to a better place, i hope
[21:40:00] rah: ditto
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[21:43:00] ** rah pokes Chutt **
[21:44:00] rah: :/
[21:45:00] Discipulus: Chutt, would there be viable business in selling custom built MythTV Boxes ?
[21:46:00] GreyFoxx: That should be added to the FAQ considering how often it comes up :)
[21:46:00] laga: you're taking the fun out of it, Discipulus
[21:46:00] jonK: I think it already is
[21:47:00] jonK: along with the words "crazy scheme"
[21:48:00] GreyFoxx: Hey, prebuilt boxes, with good quality TV out, at a good price are not a bad thing
[21:48:00] Discipulus: GreyFoxx, but how much could you charge for 'em?
[21:48:00] CyberKnet: Discipulus: as much as the market would bear, I imagine.
[21:48:00] GreyFoxx: It's just that so far I've yet to see anyone match the cost of a tivo which is what everyone compares them too
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[21:48:00] KeithSqueakyClea: hey guys one quick q
[21:48:00] KeithSqueakyClea: how hard is it to install mythtv?
[21:49:00] Discipulus: GreyFoxx, but you have to pay a monthly fee for TiVo
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[21:49:00] Discipulus: GreyFoxx, why do that when you can you can spend a lil more and get a MythTV
[21:49:00] GreyFoxx: KeithNJPride: Depends on how competent you are with Linux and your particular distro :)
[21:49:00] CyberKnet: Good luck finding the components to make a $200 box to be a dedicated front end and back end that won't have such unreliable parts that it bankrupts you within a few months. =)
[21:49:00] KeithNJPride: grey- gimme an average difficulty rating
[21:50:00] Discipulus: CyberKnet, so how does TiVo do it so cheaply?
[21:50:00] Geckofiend: Discipulus Commerical Myth boxes would have to change a monthly fee as well
[21:50:00] GreyFoxx: What you and I consider dificult likely varies greatly
[21:50:00] Discipulus: Geckofiend, why?
[21:50:00] GreyFoxx: plus it depends on if you choose packages or compile your own
[21:50:00] CyberKnet: Discipulus: Custom hardware, and mass production buddy.
[21:50:00] CyberKnet: Discipulus: economics 101.
[21:50:00] Geckofiend: Discipulus because you can't use zap2it labs for commerical purposes
[21:50:00] Discipulus: Geckofiend, ah, damnit
[21:50:00] GreyFoxx: KeithNJPride: I don't consider it difficult at all
[21:51:00] GreyFoxx: ESPECIALLY if you read the mythtv.org documentation first
[21:51:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: there are a lot of idiots who would like to disagree with you =P"
[21:51:00] kormoc: KeithNJPride, it more depends on your hardware
[21:51:00] KeithNJPride: well i am in the prcess of reading mythtv documentation now
[21:52:00] KeithNJPride: i already ordered the equipemtn with some help from abar
[21:52:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: Which is why I said it's not something I can quantify as it depends on the person a lot :)
[21:52:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I'm just saying they're idiots, is all =P"
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[21:52:00] GreyFoxx: KeithNJPride: What chipset on the motherboard, and what capture card ?
[21:53:00] KeithNJPride: capture card is (im gonna murder this) happualga? pvr-150
[21:53:00] jonK: hauppauge
[21:53:00] KeithNJPride: thats it
[21:53:00] KeithNJPride: celeron d processor 2.6 ghz
[21:53:00] Discipulus: KeithNJPride, it isn't installing MythTV
[21:53:00] Discipulus: it's getting the hardware to work
[21:53:00] KeithNJPride: ah ok
[21:54:00] KeithNJPride: im told the pvr-150 though is excellent
[21:54:00] Discipulus: It is, it's what I'm gonna use for mine.
[21:54:00] CyberKnet: Hauppauge: The brand name nobody can pronounce.
[21:54:00] KeithNJPride: i spent 530 on hardware for the mythbox yesterday
[21:54:00] KeithNJPride: lol
[21:55:00] KeithNJPride: im getting 80 maybe more in rebates
[21:55:00] KeithNJPride: so 450 aint bad
[21:55:00] KeithNJPride: price of tivo and 2 years of subscription
[21:55:00] CyberKnet: rebates are a scam.
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[21:55:00] KeithNJPride: scam or not, im getting my $$ back
[21:55:00] KeithNJPride: in some form
[21:56:00] Discipulus: take it out of the saleman's ass!
[21:56:00] GreyFoxx: hah, some mofo is trying to steal my domain
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[21:59:00] Dibblah: Ugh. Surely >/dev/null has no place in a gcc command line?
[21:59:00] ** Dibblah doesn't like the look of OpenMotif... **
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[22:00:00] Chutt: bah
[22:00:00] Chutt: warnings aren't important
[22:00:00] xoritor: prebuffering pause?
[22:01:00] Dibblah: Oh goodness. They only did it for one directory. And I really can see why they did. Ugh.
[22:01:00] Vantage_: hi, i'm using mplayer for video playback with mythtv and for some reason the video and audio are out of sync. for normal tv, recorded tv, dvds it's fine. only the video plugin. any ideas what might cause that?
[22:01:00] Vantage_: this is on debian sid
[22:02:00] Dibblah: What video container format? AVI?
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[22:02:00] Dibblah: Vantage?
[22:03:00] Vantage_: yes?
[22:03:00] Dibblah: What video container format? AVI?
[22:03:00] Vantage_: yeah
[22:03:00] Vantage_: sorry, missed the first line
[22:03:00] Vantage_: it is avi
[22:04:00] Dibblah: I'd advise getting your porn in mpg. avi mostly sucks.
[22:04:00] Beirdo: that's the point isn't it?
[22:04:00] Dibblah: Oh. This channel's logged and published, innit. Bugger.
[22:04:00] Beirdo: AVI is very prone to AV sync screwups
[22:05:00] Geckofiend: Dibblah You should be able to adjust the A/V sync. I know xine and Myth can, I have to assume mplayer can. And yes, AVIs are pretty damn broken
[22:05:00] Dibblah: It has no concept of VBR, which is mostly the cause.
[22:05:00] Dibblah: Geckofiend: Mostly it drifts so you have to keep on adjusting it.
[22:05:00] Beirdo: so don't use VBR with AVI
[22:05:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:06:00] Dibblah: Anyway. There's plenty of mpg porn to choose from. Or even Theora, if you're really perverted.
[22:06:00] CyberKnet: You've really got to *want* theora pr0n
[22:07:00] Vantage_: not really for porn, so that doesn't help me much...
[22:08:00] Dibblah: Not for porn? What else do you get in avis, then? ;)
[22:08:00] gr8nash: Vantage_, dont waste beirdos time with non-porn related questions ;)
[22:08:00] Vantage_: heh, non-porn video content? :)
[22:08:00] Vantage_: oh dear...
[22:08:00] Beirdo: wha?
[22:08:00] Vantage_: so would xine perhaps handle the sync issues better than mplay?
[22:08:00] Vantage_: er mplayer?
[22:08:00] Beirdo: I don't want porn.
[22:08:00] Beirdo: blah
[22:09:00] xris: cd -
[22:09:00] xris: oops
[22:09:00] Dibblah: Usually it's a problem with the specific source avi.
[22:09:00] Dibblah: xris pwd is shorter.
[22:09:00] Dibblah: And I missed a :
[22:09:00] Vantage_: not so in this case. i had some of these working fine before, but now they're suddenly having sync issues
[22:09:00] Dibblah: Well, whatever you changed... Change it back.
[22:10:00] GreyFoxx: Vantage_: There are some commandline options you can pass to mplayer to help force it to stay in sync
[22:10:00] xoritor: how can i change the livetv pause issue?
[22:10:00] xoritor: prebuffering pause
[22:10:00] Dibblah: Did you install additional codecs (The windows codec pack for example)
[22:10:00] Vantage_: heh, not see easy. it's been awhile and there've been a few apt-get upgrades since then... hard to pin-point. that's why i was asking (to see if any one had heard of such a thing)
[22:10:00] xoritor: ie... where can i turn off prebuffering?
[22:10:00] Dibblah: xoritor: You can't.
[22:10:00] xoritor: hmm
[22:11:00] xoritor: maybe i should increase the buffer?
[22:11:00] Dibblah: What input are you using, how much CPU do you have spare, etc?
[22:11:00] Dibblah: Again, you can't. :)
[22:11:00] Vantage_: GreyFoxx: this is what i have currently. mplayer -ao alsa -srate 48000 -fs -zoom -vo xv (i've also tried adding -framedrop with no success)
[22:11:00] xoritor: so that it does not deplete
[22:11:00] xoritor: input is cable
[22:11:00] Dibblah: PVR-x50 or dumb tuner card?
[22:12:00] xoritor: pvr-150
[22:12:00] xoritor: 98.3% id
[22:12:00] xoritor: so i have LOTS of free cpu
[22:12:00] Dibblah: DMA turned on for your disks, etc?
[22:12:00] xoritor: sata -> scsi
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[22:14:00] Dibblah: Which Myth version?
[22:14:00] xoritor: 0.18.1
[22:14:00] Dibblah: Is this a new install or an upgrade?
[22:14:00] xoritor: new install
[22:15:00] Dibblah: Bugger. It won't be the "extra audio buffer" issue then.
[22:16:00] xoritor: i do get errors about something else using /dev/dsp from time to time
[22:16:00] xoritor: but i bet thats artsd
[22:16:00] Vantage_: xine seems to play them ok. anyone know the lirc xine command to rewind?
[22:16:00] xoritor: also...
[22:16:00] Beirdo: I think man xine does
[22:17:00] Vantage_: Beirdo: man xine lists lirc commands? interesting...
[22:17:00] xoritor: if i play a ripped movie, then try to play watch tv again... it wont connect to the db
[22:17:00] Beirdo: you never know
[22:17:00] Beirdo: or the xine docs might
[22:17:00] Beirdo: or the lirc docs
[22:17:00] Beirdo: but it's certainly not in the MythTV docs :)
[22:18:00] Dibblah: xoritor: Try changing your audio output to alsa rather than oss...
[22:18:00] xoritor: Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION
[22:18:00] xoritor: hmm
[22:18:00] xoritor: how do i go about that?
[22:20:00] kormoc: xoritor, restart the backend?
[22:23:00] xoritor: ac-tex damaged at 19 29
[22:23:00] xoritor: Warning MVs not available
[22:24:00] xoritor: i wonder whats causing all of that
[22:24:00] xoritor: prebuffering pause
[22:24:00] xoritor: thats over and over and over
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[22:25:00] xoritor: 87.3% id at peak use though
[22:25:00] xoritor: most of the time its around 97%
[22:25:00] Beirdo: DMA issues?
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[22:26:00] xoritor: ata3: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x1F0 ctl 0x3F6 bmdma 0xF000 irq 14
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[22:26:00] xoritor: shouldnt be
[22:26:00] CyberKnet: xoritor: what is your motherboard chipset?
[22:26:00] xoritor: its an wd raptor drive
[22:26:00] xoritor: Intel Corporation 82875P
[22:27:00] xoritor: i think this one is an abit ic7-g
[22:27:00] CyberKnet: Hmmm. I dont know of any dma issues with i847 chipset.
[22:27:00] CyberKnet: err... i875, even
[22:27:00] Chutt: if it were a dma issue, cpu usage would be high.
[22:27:00] xoritor: yep
[22:27:00] xoritor: any settings i can play with?
[22:28:00] xoritor: its working now mostly though...
[22:28:00] Chutt: anything on the backend?
[22:28:00] xoritor: not watchable
[22:28:00] xoritor: fronend is backend
[22:28:00] xoritor: same box
[22:28:00] Chutt: console
[22:28:00] kormoc: hdparm -tT /dev/drive_it_is will tell you how fast the drive is working
[22:28:00] Chutt: it's not the fucking drive.
[22:28:00] xoritor: kormoc, that does not tell you anything
[22:28:00] Chutt: geez
[22:28:00] xoritor: only how fast the buffers are
[22:28:00] xoritor: and it does not work on scsi
[22:28:00] xoritor: sata -> scsi
[22:29:00] xoritor: heh
[22:29:00] kormoc: xoritor, sure it does, the second test is the drive speed, and it does work on scsi and sata
[22:29:00] kormoc: xoritor, the speed test works on any drive, reguardless of the nterface type.
[22:29:00] Chutt: but it's not the damn drive
[22:29:00] Chutt: so just give it up
[22:29:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[22:29:00] CyberKnet: Chutt: do you think it might be the drive?
[22:29:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[22:29:00] xoritor: bwahahaha
[22:29:00] kormoc: Chutt, I never said it was, I just said how to make postively sure.
[22:29:00] Chutt: people should really have a fucking clue before leading people on wild goose chases
[22:30:00] xoritor: just to give you your info...
[22:31:00] xoritor: hdparm -tT /dev/sda
[22:31:00] xoritor: /dev/sda:
[22:31:00] xoritor: Timing cached reads: 4372 MB in 2.00 seconds = 2186.33 MB/sec
[22:31:00] xoritor: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[22:31:00] xoritor: Timing buffered disk reads: 162 MB in 3.04 seconds = 53.35 MB/sec
[22:31:00] xoritor: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[22:31:00] xoritor: does that help... as Chutt said... its not the device
[22:31:00] xoritor: and as i said hdparm does not work right for scsi
[22:31:00] kormoc: xoritor, it appears to have worked to my eyes
[22:32:00] xoritor: Inappropriate ioctl for device... means what you see is not right
[22:32:00] kormoc: nah, it is
[22:32:00] xoritor: heh
[22:32:00] xoritor: thats not what the kernel devs told me
[22:32:00] kormoc: and my scsi drives don't even get that error, only my sata drives do
[22:32:00] CyberKnet: xoritor: so back to more relevant things. Does the console say anything of use?
[22:33:00] xoritor: 2005-07–12 15:32:22.273 prebuffering pause
[22:33:00] xoritor: [mpeg2video @ 0x3517874]00 motion_type at 2 5
[22:33:00] xoritor: [mpeg2video @ 0x3517874]slice mismatch
[22:33:00] xoritor: [mpeg2video @ 0x3517874]00 motion_type at 29 7
[22:33:00] xoritor: [mpeg2video @ 0x3517874]00 motion_type at 3 8
[22:33:00] xoritor: [mpeg2video @ 0x3517874]mb incr damaged
[22:33:00] Chutt: that's the frontend
[22:33:00] xoritor: that kinds of stuff...
[22:33:00] xoritor: you want the backend?
[22:33:00] CyberKnet: backend console
[22:33:00] Chutt: backend's what i asked for
[22:33:00] Beirdo: if it's more than 3 lines, pastebin it, please
[22:34:00] xoritor: 2005-07–12 15:23:16.240 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback
[22:34:00] xoritor: 2005-07–12 15:23:16.242 adding: xmtv1.xorit.net as a client (events: 0)
[22:34:00] xoritor: 2005-07–12 15:23:16.255 adding: xmtv1.xorit.net as a remote ringbuffer
[22:34:00] xoritor: i guess you dont need the changing from none to watchinglivetv
[22:34:00] xoritor: thats pretty much all thats there
[22:35:00] xoritor: dmesg is spewing stuff
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[22:35:00] xoritor: kernel: ivtv: ENC IRQ OVERFLOW: #13796 Stealing a Buffer, 2 currently allocated
[22:35:00] Chutt: so, you've got ivtv issues
[22:35:00] Chutt: gotta get that working before myth will :p
[22:35:00] xoritor: yea
[22:36:00] xoritor: so its not mythtv
[22:36:00] Chutt: most likely not
[22:36:00] xoritor: Took more than 10 seconds to be allowed to read, aborting.
[22:36:00] xoritor: heh
[22:37:00] xoritor: Couldn't read data from the capture card in 15 seconds. Stopping
[22:37:00] xoritor: ok... thx
[22:37:00] xoritor: is there an ivtv chan?
[22:37:00] mchou: yup. but it's dead :)
[22:37:00] mchou: or relatively dead.
[22:38:00] mchou: just try some other version of ivtv till you find one that works......
[22:38:00] xoritor: :-/
[22:38:00] xoritor: ok
[22:38:00] xoritor: any reccomendations?
[22:39:00] xoritor: im using the ivtv-0.3.3k
[22:39:00] mchou: also, you may (try) not using scaling....720x480 to see if that improves things.
[22:39:00] Beirdo: I suggest a bottle of vodka
[22:39:00] Beirdo: it would fix the problem for a bit
[22:39:00] jonK: hangar 1, preferably
[22:39:00] xoritor: hahahaha
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[22:40:00] mchou: pshaw, hanger 1. Just drink jef fuel. :)
[22:40:00] mchou: jet*
[22:40:00] jonK: and I'm using 0.3.6 straight...no subletter
[22:40:00] ** Beirdo considers some firewater tonight **
[22:41:00] Beirdo: Bacardi 151
[22:41:00] Beirdo: to celebrate my upcoming trip to where it was made. :)
[22:41:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[22:42:00] xoritor: jonK, you mean 0.3.3
[22:42:00] Beirdo: and I *am* planning on going to the distillery
[22:43:00] xoritor: Beirdo, they give you 2 free drinks there
[22:43:00] xoritor: my wife and i went
[22:43:00] Beirdo: :)
[22:43:00] Beirdo: unlike the JD distillery. stupid dry county
[22:43:00] laga: yummy, free drinks
[22:43:00] xoritor: you have to drink them pretty fast if you want them before hand
[22:43:00] Beirdo: was still a good tour
[22:43:00] Beirdo: ??
[22:43:00] xoritor: i had the premium straight up
[22:44:00] Beirdo: why drink them fast?
[22:44:00] xoritor: and they gave me 3 fingers in each glass
[22:44:00] Beirdo: and I always drink rum fairly fast
[22:44:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:44:00] Beirdo: unless drinking 151
[22:44:00] xoritor: cause they hustle you through pretty fast
[22:44:00] Beirdo: then I drink it real slow
[22:44:00] xoritor: they dont give that away
[22:44:00] xoritor: :-/
[22:44:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:44:00] xoritor: i would have been really drunk then
[22:44:00] xoritor: ;-)
[22:44:00] xoritor: hahahaha
[22:44:00] Beirdo: good choice on their part
[22:44:00] xoritor: right
[22:45:00] Beirdo: paying for pumping stomachs... no thanks
[22:45:00] xoritor: i think we have some pics from there
[22:45:00] Beirdo: not everyone can absorb that kinda booze
[22:45:00] Beirdo: how picturesque?
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[22:45:00] Beirdo: the JD distillery was great for pics
[22:47:00] xoritor: http://gallery.xorit.net/Puerto_Rico/IMG_1497?full=1
[22:48:00] xoritor: they wont let you take cameras in
[22:48:00] xoritor: well... they will
[22:48:00] xoritor: but you cant take pics
[22:48:00] Beirdo: why not?
[22:48:00] Beirdo: I can see no flash photography
[22:49:00] Beirdo: that one's obvious
[22:49:00] laga: why is that?
[22:49:00] Beirdo: flash + alcohol fumes = BANG!
[22:49:00] laga: oh
[22:49:00] laga: yummy, free alcohol fumes
[22:49:00] Beirdo: http://pics.beirdo.ca/Tennessee/scan0103
[22:50:00] Beirdo: that's the beginning of the color pics
[22:50:00] Beirdo: black and white further into the album too
[22:50:00] Beirdo: putting your face over the fermenting vat and breathing deeply.... WOW was that a fast way to absorb alcohol
[22:50:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:51:00] laga: nice ;)
[22:55:00] mchou: anybody here own a hitachi desktop drive?
[23:04:00] abarbaccia_away: hello all
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[23:18:00] silent_runner: evening all
[23:19:00] silent_runner: anyone got a plextor convertx running under gentoo ?
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[23:50:00] rsdvd: Hi all...a.re there any UK DVD-T (freeview)users in tonight?
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[23:57:00] mejo: hi
[23:59:00] Drizzt321: yo
[23:59:00] mejo: i try to setup the remote for my pvr-350

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