| Monday, July 11th, 2005, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:00] | djpere: | mtjs, rc-update add mythbackend defualt |
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| [00:01:00] | djpere: | that works for me |
| [00:02:00] | |rt|: | mtjs: you can start mythbackend -v 10 do you see anything? |
| [00:07:00] | NightBird: | hm.. |
| [00:07:00] | ** NightBird wonders if there is a torrent for knoppmyth... ** | |
| [00:07:00] | ** NightBird is guessing yes.. ** | |
| [00:07:00] | mtjs: | djpere: i did that but it is wrong |
| [00:08:00] | mtjs: | |rt|: if I start mythbackend not with the startup script it works fine |
| [00:08:00] | mtjs: | djpere: I ment with wrong — it is THAT what is not working |
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| [00:17:00] | silent_runner: | hi anyone had problems with a plextor convertX under gentoo |
| [00:18:00] | ** NightBird blinks ** | |
| [00:18:00] | NightBird: | according to this.... none of my page file is in use o_O |
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| [00:20:00] | mchou: | anyone here use an realtek alc850 (a sound chip that comes on many mobos) |
| [00:21:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [00:21:00] | silent_runner: | or a Envy24/ht cant get sound form all my speakers |
| [00:22:00] | silent_runner: | prob an alsa problem in both cases but you never know |
| [00:22:00] | NightBird: | why do all of these fans have leds in them? what if I want just a plain fan that doesn't glow >> |
| [00:22:00] | mchou: | silent_runner: huh?? |
| [00:22:00] | mchou: | NightBird: cause you went to the wrong place? :) |
| [00:22:00] | ** NightBird is pokeing around on newegg... ** | |
| [00:22:00] | silent_runner: | im trying to get sound running but it wont work |
| [00:22:00] | mchou: | NightBird: nah, svc.com is better deal on fans. |
| [00:23:00] | silent_runner: | NightBird: www.scan.co.uk |
| [00:23:00] | mchou: | NightBird: what size fans were you looking for? |
| [00:23:00] | silent_runner: | lots of fans |
| [00:23:00] | NightBird: | the case I'm looking at has 2 slots for 60mm, and one for 80mm |
| [00:24:00] | mchou: | 80 is easy. 60 might be real tough to get silent ones. |
| [00:24:00] | NightBird: | however several reviews complain about the case fans being noisy.. |
| [00:24:00] | NightBird: | so I'm looking into getting something quiet.. |
| [00:24:00] | NightBird: | yeah |
| [00:24:00] | mchou: | for 80 get a panaflo fan. Cant go wrong. |
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| [00:24:00] | mchou: | svc sells plent of panaflos for cheap. |
| [00:24:00] | mchou: | plenty* |
| [00:25:00] | silent_runner: | is water cooling quieter than fans ? |
| [00:25:00] | NightBird: | silent_runner maybe... |
| [00:25:00] | mchou: | yes, but more expensive too :) |
| [00:25:00] | NightBird: | it can be... |
| [00:25:00] | NightBird: | it depends on how it disapates the heat.. |
| [00:25:00] | silent_runner: | my new silverstone case in nosier than my vacum cleaner |
| [00:25:00] | mchou: | silent_runner: lol |
| [00:25:00] | silent_runner: | not ideal for a myth box |
| [00:25:00] | NightBird: | if it takes the warmed water to an external system that runs fans over it... |
| [00:25:00] | NightBird: | then the noise depends on the fans |
| [00:26:00] | silent_runner: | i was looking on the zalman reistor but i heard it has cool down problems after to long running |
| [00:26:00] | silent_runner: | was thinking of the waterchil |
| [00:26:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [00:26:00] | NightBird: | here's a 60mm that runs at 20 dBA... |
| [00:27:00] | mchou: | NightBird: what do you ned 60mm for? |
| [00:27:00] | NightBird: | mchou, the case I'm wanting to get for my second computer has 2 60mm fan slots |
| [00:27:00] | mchou: | is this a 1U server or what? |
| [00:27:00] | silent_runner: | my MB says my chip runs at 80C my fan controller says 46C it seems to run fine |
| [00:27:00] | mchou: | NightBird: link to case? |
| [00:27:00] | NightBird: | http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811119060 << case |
| [00:28:00] | ** NightBird is wanting a desktop case for it so it can set next to a tv and look in place ** | |
| [00:28:00] | mchou: | NightBird: what cpu you using? |
| [00:28:00] | silent_runner: | looks nice |
| [00:28:00] | NightBird: | Athalon 2000+ |
| [00:28:00] | mchou: | NightBird: sigh.... |
| [00:29:00] | NightBird: | what? |
| [00:29:00] | mchou: | get an a64, much cooler than axp. |
| [00:29:00] | NightBird: | mchou, the 2000+ is from an old computer |
| [00:29:00] | NightBird: | I don't have to pay for it |
| [00:29:00] | silent_runner: | i have a 3200 Athalon64 it runs realy hot is that because its socket 745? |
| [00:29:00] | NightBird: | if I was paying for the cpu, I would go athalon 64 |
| [00:29:00] | mchou: | nah, 939s run real cool. |
| [00:29:00] | NightBird: | ... |
| [00:30:00] | NightBird: | mchou, he said 745 >> |
| [00:30:00] | mchou: | plus there is the cool and quiet. |
| [00:30:00] | NightBird: | silent_runner, it may just be that it's an older technology |
| [00:30:00] | ** NightBird has an Athalon 64 3000+... it runs about 45 C under moderate useage... ** | |
| [00:30:00] | mchou: | dude, trust me on this one. You'd spend more money on cooling than getting a new proc. |
| [00:31:00] | NightBird: | hm.... variable speed fan... 19db to 33.5db(speeds 1900 to 4200rpm) |
| [00:31:00] | NightBird: | hm.... I'm looking at 11 right now... now about the 80mm fan |
| [00:31:00] | NightBird: | er..well... 12~13 |
| [00:31:00] | silent_runner: | all the tempreture protection settings on my mobo shutdown instantly but my fan controller says it is only running at 45C the mobo says nearly double that im not sure which i belive |
| [00:31:00] | mchou: | NightBird: http://www.svc.com/pan80.html |
| [00:32:00] | NightBird: | silent_runner, thats my cpu temp |
| [00:32:00] | NightBird: | if your ambient temp is that high, then yes, you are in trouble |
| [00:33:00] | mchou: | this one isnt bad either: http://www.svc.com/enwhfan80blf.html |
| [00:33:00] | mchou: | if ypu actually need the speedometer lead. |
| [00:33:00] | mchou: | you* |
| [00:33:00] | silent_runner: | i have a macs low power tec that says 45C cpu mobo says 78C cpu case ambient is 31C |
| [00:34:00] | silent_runner: | could the mobo be wrong ? |
| [00:34:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [00:34:00] | MonMotha: | be aware that most motherboard sensors are horribly not calibrated |
| [00:34:00] | silent_runner: | thats at idel btw |
| [00:34:00] | MonMotha: | my mobo says my CPU is at 78C right now |
| [00:34:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [00:34:00] | MonMotha: | the heatsink is barely warm to the touch if I take the case off |
| [00:34:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [00:34:00] | NightBird: | your mobo temp thing might be wrong |
| [00:34:00] | silent_runner: | idle sorry |
| [00:34:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: you better get a new processor :) |
| [00:34:00] | silent_runner: | ahh makes sense |
| [00:34:00] | MonMotha: | says ambient is like 60C, yet the air coming out of the case (not PSU, mind you, case) is cool |
| [00:35:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: more like a new motherboard |
| [00:35:00] | MonMotha: | this mobo is full off issues |
| [00:35:00] | NightBird: | hm.. |
| [00:35:00] | MonMotha: | tis a Gigabyte too...traditionalyl not been bad boards |
| [00:35:00] | mchou: | which mobo is that? |
| [00:35:00] | NightBird: | have you tried flashing it? that might help it some... |
| [00:35:00] | MonMotha: | Gigabyte 7VTXH |
| [00:35:00] | NightBird: | or completely screw it up |
| [00:35:00] | NightBird: | or do nothing at all |
| [00:35:00] | MonMotha: | NightBird: in theory it has "dual BIOS" which I've proven is a sham |
| [00:35:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: those are reading bios gives ya? |
| [00:36:00] | silent_runner: | i should have stuck to assus chaintek suck |
| [00:36:00] | MonMotha: | the board came with a bad flash chip (had data retention of about a week), took them like 4 RMAs to actually replace (rather than reflash) it |
| [00:36:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: yeah, that's what it says in the BIOS screen |
| [00:36:00] | NightBird: | hm.. |
| [00:36:00] | MonMotha: | lm_sensors actually gives slightly more reasonable (though still incorrect) numbers |
| [00:36:00] | NightBird: | System temp of 35 C and cpu temp of 46 c right now.. |
| [00:36:00] | MonMotha: | that's not bad |
| [00:36:00] | mchou: | NightBird: for what proc? |
| [00:36:00] | NightBird: | default cpu cooler too |
| [00:36:00] | MonMotha: | not great, but not bad at all |
| [00:36:00] | NightBird: | Athalon 64 3000+ |
| [00:37:00] | ** NightBird is going to be putting in a new video card... ** | |
| [00:37:00] | mchou: | yeah, that's not bad at all. |
| [00:37:00] | silent_runner: | can i get system out of /proc ? |
| [00:37:00] | NightBird: | I have no idea how that will be changing things.. |
| [00:37:00] | NightBird: | going from GeForce 3 ti to GeForce 6800 |
| [00:37:00] | silent_runner: | system temp out of proc |
| [00:37:00] | mchou: | NightBird: ouch. Prepare the oven :) |
| [00:37:00] | MonMotha: | silent_runner: on some ACPI systems, but usually have you have to query the sensors directly on desktops |
| [00:37:00] | MonMotha: | use lm_sensors for that |
| [00:38:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [00:38:00] | ** NightBird doesn't believe these voltage readings.. ** | |
| [00:38:00] | NightBird: | according to this... |
| [00:38:00] | silent_runner: | su |
| [00:38:00] | NightBird: | the 12volt line is actually a 2.6 volt line.. |
| [00:38:00] | silent_runner: | shit wrong window |
| [00:38:00] | MonMotha: | hey, does anyone know if XvMC support is statically linked into MythTV? I upgraded my nvidia drivers and MythTV is bitching about a version mismatch so I presume so |
| [00:38:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: lol |
| [00:38:00] | MonMotha: | NightBird: yeah, these things are usually so uncalibrated as to be worthless |
| [00:39:00] | MonMotha: | they're more useful for watching trends |
| [00:39:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: that means it's not statically linked. |
| [00:39:00] | mchou: | but rather dynamic. |
| [00:39:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: dynamic linked ones would find the new libraries immediately (though if the API changed, it would still be a problem) |
| [00:39:00] | MonMotha: | static links woudl need a recompile to link in the new libraries |
| [00:40:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: if it's statically linked, it wouldnt look elsewhere for libs. |
| [00:40:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: static links compile the library into the output binary... |
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| [00:40:00] | mchou: | my point exactly. |
| [00:40:00] | mchou: | so it wouldnt "complain" |
| [00:40:00] | MonMotha: | which means that updating the libs woudl cause these exact problems |
| [00:40:00] | MonMotha: | the driver is new, but the libs int eh bianry are old |
| [00:41:00] | ** NightBird ponders getting two tv tuners.. ** | |
| [00:41:00] | MonMotha: | either way, a recompile would normally fix it |
| [00:41:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: you need to recompile myth against new libs. |
| [00:41:00] | MonMotha: | static linked would update the driver in the binary, and any API changes could be resolved (assuming mythtv is aware of the changes) too |
| [00:42:00] | MonMotha: | yeah...too bad that takes like an hour |
| [00:42:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: you're talking out of your ass now. |
| [00:42:00] | MonMotha: | to get barely working hardware accel :) |
| [00:42:00] | MonMotha: | no, I know quite what I'm talking about |
| [00:42:00] | MonMotha: | I think I'm just not conveying it to you |
| [00:42:00] | mchou: | the driver in the binary??? wtf is that? |
| [00:42:00] | MonMotha: | tjere |
| [00:42:00] | MonMotha: | bleh |
| [00:42:00] | mchou: | there is no driver in the binary* |
| [00:43:00] | MonMotha: | there's the kernel code and X driver, then there's the userspace library for XvMC |
| [00:43:00] | MonMotha: | if that userspace library is statically linked, but I updated my X driver an kernel driver, there would be a mismatch that can only be resolved with a re-link |
| [00:43:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [00:43:00] | MonMotha: | if it is dynamically linked, the linker can take care of it, but if the API changed, there's still aproblem |
| [00:43:00] | mchou: | you really far off now. |
| [00:43:00] | MonMotha: | ok, whatever |
| [00:43:00] | NightBird: | hey, how easy is it to get Myth to read files from across a network? pretty easy? like if I have files on my main computer that I would want to play in myth, it would be pretty easy to do, right? |
| [00:43:00] | ** MonMotha ignores mchou since he knows nothing ** | |
| [00:43:00] | mchou: | mythtv is a user-space app. |
| [00:44:00] | MonMotha: | btw, my TV tuner was defective |
| [00:44:00] | NightBird: | so it would just be a matter of mounting a network folder? |
| [00:44:00] | MonMotha: | I believe you're actually agreeing with me, and you don't know it |
| [00:44:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: so? I told you to check it in windows. |
| [00:44:00] | silent_runner: | anyone got a plextor convertx running under gentoo |
| [00:45:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: you screwed around for a week b4 testing it out in windows. |
| [00:45:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: it's your own damn fault. |
| [00:45:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [00:46:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: hardly. I know you dont know the diff betw. staic vs. dynamic link. |
| [00:46:00] | NightBird: | 120 gig hd or an 80 gig? |
| [00:46:00] | mchou: | static* |
| [00:46:00] | silent_runner: | NightBird: you say hm.. alot |
| [00:46:00] | NightBird: | ? |
| [00:46:00] | silent_runner: | hm.. |
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| [00:46:00] | NightBird: | is that a not-so-subtle hint to shut up? :P |
| [00:47:00] | silent_runner: | nope just an observation lol |
| [00:47:00] | NightBird: | heh |
| [00:47:00] | silent_runner: | after all you didnt say a word ;-) |
| [00:48:00] | silent_runner: | see->hm.. |
| [00:48:00] | silent_runner: | god i am sick of dicking about with alsa |
| [00:48:00] | silent_runner: | you would think 5.1 would be simple to get working |
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| [00:49:00] | silent_runner: | NightBird: which card you got for sound? |
| [00:49:00] | NightBird: | silent_runner, I was planning on using the one built into the motherboard |
| [00:49:00] | NightBird: | :P |
| [00:49:00] | silent_runner: | if its an Envy24/ht i would sugest your time is more valuable |
| [00:50:00] | NightBird: | though I do think I have an audigy mp3+ somewhere around here |
| [00:50:00] | silent_runner: | i am wondering if its worth just buying a better card with a 5.1 dec built in |
| [00:50:00] | silent_runner: | mabey DD as well |
| [00:50:00] | NightBird: | SoundBlaster Pro AC97 Digital Audio Controller thing.. |
| [00:51:00] | silent_runner: | also i cant get my vid encoder working under gentoo |
| [00:52:00] | silent_runner: | the rest of myth works fine ;-) |
| [00:52:00] | silent_runner: | just no sound or video |
| [00:52:00] | silent_runner: | unless you count the 30db of fan noise from the case |
| [00:53:00] | silent_runner: | also cant get the display working on my keyboard |
| [00:53:00] | silent_runner: | is that SB dolby compat? |
| [00:53:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [00:54:00] | silent_runner: | there it is again ;-) |
| [00:54:00] | ** NightBird looks.. ** | |
| [00:55:00] | silent_runner: | my keyboard does somthing similar it keeps saying "please install my software" in about 20 languages |
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| [00:55:00] | ** NightBird blinks ** | |
| [00:56:00] | silent_runner: | lol |
| [00:56:00] | ** silent_runner hates his soundcard ! ** | |
| [00:58:00] | ** NightBird has no idea ** | |
| [00:59:00] | mchou: | does the envy do HW mixing? |
| [00:59:00] | silent_runner: | i dont know |
| [00:59:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [00:59:00] | mchou: | envy should work fine in linux.... |
| [00:59:00] | NightBird: | lets see... |
| [01:00:00] | ** NightBird ponders ** | |
| [01:00:00] | NightBird: | lets say to get cruise control is about 350.... how many weeks do I have left before I go back to school |
| [01:00:00] | NightBird: | 5 paychecks left.. |
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| [01:03:00] | mchou: | silent_runner: send your sound card over to me. I can make good use of it. |
| [01:04:00] | silent_runner: | umm its atached to my mobo |
| [01:04:00] | silent_runner: | b4 you ask NO |
| [01:04:00] | mchou: | what mobo is that? |
| [01:04:00] | silent_runner: | chaintek znf3–250 |
| [01:04:00] | NightBird: | hm....I can do this... but I won't be getting a new monitor... |
| [01:05:00] | silent_runner: | i just want myth on my 42" plasma is that to much to ask i ask you! |
| [01:05:00] | bob832: | thats a good "rule of thumb" when it comes to video card memory? |
| [01:05:00] | mchou: | that mobo has envy on it? Nice. |
| [01:05:00] | bob832: | *whats a good. . . |
| [01:05:00] | silent_runner: | Envy24/HT the HT is the stinger |
| [01:05:00] | mchou: | why is HT so bad? |
| [01:05:00] | NightBird: | silent_runner, while myth isn't working right, can I borrow the 42" plasma? :P |
| [01:06:00] | silent_runner: | sure if you pay the postage |
| [01:06:00] | NightBird: | >> n/m then |
| [01:06:00] | silent_runner: | ;-) |
| [01:06:00] | mchou: | I'' pay freight |
| [01:06:00] | silent_runner: | im in the UK |
| [01:06:00] | NightBird: | heh |
| [01:07:00] | silent_runner: | i think fed-ex would not only charge as much as its worth but they would prob break it |
| [01:07:00] | ** NightBird ponders going from a 2 gig pair of ram to just 1 gig pair ** | |
| [01:07:00] | ** silent_runner thinks NightBird is unwell ** | |
| [01:07:00] | NightBird: | heh |
| [01:08:00] | silent_runner: | corsair 2gb twinx is sweet |
| [01:08:00] | silent_runner: | pluss you get led's for whatever reason |
| [01:08:00] | NightBird: | I don't need freaking led's for my ram |
| [01:08:00] | silent_runner: | must write somthing to get them to display somthing usefull |
| [01:09:00] | silent_runner: | hence why i said for whatever reson |
| [01:10:00] | NightBird: | where's a good webpage for cases? |
| [01:12:00] | silent_runner: | silverstonetek |
| [01:12:00] | MonMotha: | I'm a fan of Yeong Yang (Gigacase) and of course the old standby Lian-Li |
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| [01:13:00] | silent_runner: | they are also nice |
| [01:13:00] | MonMotha: | they're not cheap, but they pass the "am I willing to use it as a chair" test |
| [01:13:00] | silent_runner: | same for my silverstone |
| [01:14:00] | ** NightBird is wanting something that will look nice... but a bit cheaper then the current one I'm looking at(which is 91.49 >>) ** | |
| [01:14:00] | silent_runner: | my onlu complaint would be they dont have built in cushions |
| [01:15:00] | NightBird: | heh |
| [01:15:00] | NightBird: | I don't really plan on sitting on this thing.. |
| [01:15:00] | MonMotha: | heh, don't expect to get a good case for less than $100 (especially shipped, if mail order) without finding a deal |
| [01:15:00] | silent_runner: | http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc09.htm |
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| [01:16:00] | silent_runner: | i think you were lookin at desktops |
| [01:16:00] | mchou: | silent_runner: where did you get corsair twinx? |
| [01:16:00] | NightBird: | so I may as well just stick with what I found then, huh? |
| [01:16:00] | NightBird: | yeah |
| [01:16:00] | silent_runner: | scan.co.uk |
| [01:16:00] | Mersault: | does anyone here use wireless gamepads with linux? I'm looking for a pair (or more) that are supported in linux |
| [01:16:00] | silent_runner: | mchou: you in usa |
| [01:16:00] | mchou: | yeah |
| [01:16:00] | silent_runner: | try tigerdirect.com |
| [01:17:00] | mchou: | hell no. |
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| [01:17:00] | mchou: | tigerdirect sux big time. |
| [01:17:00] | djpere: | Hey |
| [01:17:00] | wishie: | is it possible to do widescreen resolution with nvidia tv-out ? |
| [01:17:00] | djpere: | I have a Tivo |
| [01:17:00] | djpere: | I want to share shows with myth |
| [01:17:00] | djpere: | is that possible? |
| [01:17:00] | MonMotha: | silent_runner: hehe, that website is awesome flash :) |
| [01:17:00] | NightBird: | hm... this only has one internal 3.5" drive.... |
| [01:17:00] | MonMotha: | except that I don't have the flash plugin installed :) |
| [01:17:00] | silent_runner: | which website? |
| [01:18:00] | silent_runner: | ahh i had same problem but most of the cases can be viewed |
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| [01:18:00] | foobar-xs: | howdy once again all |
| [01:18:00] | NightBird: | but then again... 160 gigs.... |
| [01:18:00] | mchou: | silent_runner: you want a real case check out antec P180 |
| [01:18:00] | NightBird: | yo |
| [01:19:00] | silent_runner: | www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=428726 |
| [01:19:00] | MonMotha: | silent_runner: yeah. I noticed they seem to do the cover design for the card mounting brackets, which isn't my preference |
| [01:19:00] | mchou: | silent_runner: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article254-page1.html |
| [01:19:00] | mchou: | now that's a real case. |
| [01:19:00] | silent_runner: | its hideous |
| [01:20:00] | mchou: | silent_runner: hideous is not the point. It's quiet. |
| [01:20:00] | NightBird: | hm.... |
| [01:20:00] | silent_runner: | http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/tj05/34 view/tj05.jpg |
| [01:20:00] | silent_runner: | but in silver |
| [01:20:00] | mchou: | silverstone sux. |
| [01:21:00] | mchou: | you have awful taste in cases :) |
| [01:21:00] | silent_runner: | i could say the same |
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| [01:21:00] | mchou: | silverstone is ugly and loud. |
| [01:21:00] | ** wishie has a HT-400G ** | |
| [01:22:00] | mchou: | at least P180 is silent. |
| [01:22:00] | silent_runner: | cant deny the loud but that can be fixed |
| [01:22:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [01:22:00] | silent_runner: | but tey are prety |
| [01:22:00] | mchou: | I'd rather they got it right the first time. |
| [01:22:00] | wishie: | does anyone know if nvidia cards support widescreen resolutions via the TV-Out interface ? |
| [01:22:00] | wishie: | 720x576 will do |
| [01:23:00] | mchou: | on the componeneent interface? |
| [01:23:00] | mchou: | component* |
| [01:23:00] | silent_runner: | mchou: i have never had a case i didnt cut huge fkin holes in and clock up so much i can fry egs so who cares ;-) |
| [01:23:00] | NightBird: | weee |
| [01:23:00] | wishie: | mchou: s-video or rca, yeah |
| [01:23:00] | wishie: | either or. |
| [01:23:00] | NightBird: | 9.3% done with knoppmyth.. |
| [01:23:00] | mchou: | silent_runner: P180 doesnt need stinking mods. |
| [01:23:00] | milkyflava: | I have Axels RPM's and the mythdvd is broke. I was wondering if it is possible to download and build it from cvs and replace the one I have. |
| [01:24:00] | mchou: | wishie: svideo is not component, and there is no widescreen for svideo |
| [01:24:00] | silent_runner: | dosent that take the fun out of it go buy a del fo fucks sake ;-) |
| [01:24:00] | mchou: | heh, dell's arent bad either. |
| [01:25:00] | wishie: | mchou: but on the RCA, i can ? |
| [01:25:00] | mchou: | they are quiet too. |
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| [01:25:00] | ** silent_runner slaps mchou round the head with a festering trout ** | |
| [01:25:00] | wishie: | or i have to use the VGA or DVI ? my widescreen tv doesnt have VGA or DVI inputs, thats all |
| [01:25:00] | mchou: | wishie: RCA is not component |
| [01:25:00] | mchou: | so no. |
| [01:25:00] | wishie: | damn |
| [01:26:00] | silent_runner: | i though component was rca |
| [01:26:00] | mchou: | VGA, DVI, or component. Not composite. |
| [01:26:00] | mchou: | so is composite. |
| [01:27:00] | mchou: | RCA is just a plug type, not an interface type. |
| [01:27:00] | silent_runner: | i thought rca stood for radio connection of america and was a jack standard much like rj45 |
| [01:27:00] | mchou: | exactly. |
| [01:27:00] | cortezdapimp: | hello |
| [01:27:00] | cortezdapimp: | anyone have any ideas why my firewire drive keeps unmounting itself? |
| [01:27:00] | silent_runner: | ahh ok were on the same page with that one then |
| [01:27:00] | wishie: | so, if i want to display my pc on the tv, i have to somehow use DVi or VGA..is there any DVI->S-Video converters or something ? |
| [01:27:00] | cortezdapimp: | yes there are |
| [01:27:00] | silent_runner: | mchou: you can buy thoes in the stores;-) |
| [01:28:00] | mchou: | wishie: are you daft??? |
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| [01:28:00] | wishie: | mchou: probably :) |
| [01:28:00] | wishie: | i am aussie :P |
| [01:28:00] | cortezdapimp: | but you should use a vga ->component or osmething |
| [01:28:00] | mchou: | there is no widescreen res in svideo. |
| [01:28:00] | cortezdapimp: | or a dvi to hdmi if yo uhave that |
| [01:28:00] | silent_runner: | wishie: you wont want to run a pc on a t5v its almost unreadable |
| [01:28:00] | wishie: | silent_runner: for myth or freevo output |
| [01:29:00] | silent_runner: | ahh i would use the yellow rca if you have one |
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| [01:29:00] | silent_runner: | i run my screen off dvi and scart from my sky box |
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| [01:30:00] | wishie: | silent_runner: i have the yellow rca..but my question was, if i could do widescreen with that..from my nvidia gf4 |
| [01:30:00] | silent_runner: | wishe try this |
| [01:31:00] | silent_runner: | http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s=a929e4e4 . . . ;#entry37955 |
| [01:31:00] | joevslc: | alsa will only run as root |
| [01:31:00] | silent_runner: | widescreen SVIDEO |
| [01:31:00] | joevslc: | anyone know which permissions I need to change in for myth? |
| [01:31:00] | silent_runner: | add the users to the audio group |
| [01:31:00] | silent_runner: | wishie: google is your friend! |
| [01:31:00] | joevslc: | add the group users? |
| [01:32:00] | silent_runner: | add the users you want to have access to swound to the audio group |
| [01:32:00] | joevslc: | how do I know what user mythtv runs as? |
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| [01:33:00] | silent_runner: | it runs as the user who starts the program |
| [01:33:00] | silent_runner: | i think |
| [01:33:00] | joevslc: | explains it |
| [01:33:00] | silent_runner: | or chmod 777 your audio devices |
| [01:33:00] | joevslc: | my audio devices? |
| [01:33:00] | joevslc: | you mean the card? |
| [01:34:00] | silent_runner: | yes /dev/snd/* |
| [01:34:00] | silent_runner: | or whatever your setup is |
| [01:34:00] | joevslc: | gotcha |
| [01:34:00] | joevslc: | gonna go give it a try |
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| [01:39:00] | joevslc: | thanks |
| [01:39:00] | joevslc: | it was damn /dev/snd that had the wrong permissions |
| [01:40:00] | joevslc: | mazing how things change when you recompile your kernel |
| [01:40:00] | silent_runner: | no probs |
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| [02:13:00] | djperegrine: | how do I get my myth and tivo box connected? |
| [02:13:00] | djperegrine: | like share shows /media etc |
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| [02:25:00] | Geckofiend: | djperegrine you don't |
| [02:26:00] | unifi: | hi I have been struggling with getting myth set up on my ubuntu system |
| [02:26:00] | unifi: | direct me to a good ubuntu tutorial? |
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| [02:33:00] | abarbaccia: | unifi, www.abarbaccia.com |
| [02:33:00] | abarbaccia: | its my personal site – i got the rest of the main content up – still needs tweaking but let me know how it goes |
| [02:34:00] | tekkeh: | unifi, isnt ubuntu a south african distribution |
| [02:35:00] | abarbaccia: | tekkeh, ubuntu is just a linux distro with a south african name |
| [02:35:00] | unifi: | tekkeh, is that a question? |
| [02:35:00] | abarbaccia: | and feel....kinda |
| [02:36:00] | tekkeh: | yes it was a question |
| [02:36:00] | tekkeh: | im from south africa :) |
| [02:36:00] | unifi: | tekkeh, well it seems that ubuntu was started by mark shuttleworth who is from sa |
| [02:36:00] | tekkeh: | yea:) |
| [02:36:00] | tekkeh: | are u from south africa? |
| [02:36:00] | abarbaccia: | unifi, are you going to try and follow my guide? |
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| [02:37:00] | unifi: | yes I am going to give it shot for sure.... |
| [02:37:00] | abarbaccia: | do me a favor – if you run into an error or something not working – let me know – because i need to adjust the guide |
| [02:37:00] | abarbaccia: | you can be one of my "testers" – i have 2 others right now |
| [02:37:00] | tekkeh: | im from Durban, South Africa... just got myth set up, after 3 days... i had to edit the myth source files to allow for PAL-I support (we use pal-i in south africa)... what a mission, but i finally got it working and im very impressed |
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| [02:42:00] | tekkeh: | hi NightBird:> |
| [02:46:00] | NightBird: | yo |
| [02:46:00] | NightBird: | hahaha... 13% done with knoppmyth... |
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| [02:53:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [02:53:00] | ** NightBird should get to work on editing... ** | |
| [02:53:00] | Beirdo: | Blah :) |
| [02:54:00] | xris: | Beirdo: made hot sauce today. |
| [02:54:00] | xris: | good stuff |
| [02:54:00] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [02:54:00] | Beirdo: | with? |
| [02:54:00] | xris: | roasted: habanero, fresno, korean cayenne |
| [02:54:00] | Beirdo: | I cleaned again today |
| [02:54:00] | xris: | plus an onion, shallot and some garlic |
| [02:54:00] | xris: | salt, a dash of vinegar |
| [02:54:00] | Beirdo: | that sounds like good stuff |
| [02:54:00] | xris: | food mill to get rid of skin and seeds, and then into the vitamix. |
| [02:54:00] | xris: | looks like ketchup |
| [02:55:00] | xris: | anyway, it's quite good.. very flavorful, and quite hot. |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | well done |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | have to make me a recipe :0 |
| [02:57:00] | xris: | heh |
| [02:57:00] | xris: | maybe when peppers are actually in season and I have more time to experiment. |
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| [02:58:00] | xris: | but basically, it was 1/4 lb of each of the three peppers, a yellow onion, large shallot, tbsp diced garlic, and then a tbsp of cider vinegar at the end. |
| [02:58:00] | xris: | and probably a tsp of salt |
| [02:58:00] | Beirdo: | heh, OK |
| [02:58:00] | BishounenNightBi: | >> |
| [02:58:00] | xris: | you need a food mill or chinois to remove the seeds, though |
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| [02:59:00] | xris: | roast peppers, caramelize the veggies, add peppers to veggies and steep for an hour or so. |
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| [02:59:00] | derek88: | can someone help with adding a new drive with lvm? I've been through the HOWTO, but I'm missing something |
| [03:01:00] | derek88: | ? |
| [03:01:00] | MonMotha: | derek88: pvcreate /dev/newdev, vgextend, lvextend |
| [03:03:00] | derek88: | MonMotha: thx, I can't seem to get the lvextend to work; is there any way to say "add the whole drive"? |
| [03:03:00] | MonMotha: | no, just use vgdisplay to look up the total extents then use -l on lvextend |
| [03:04:00] | derek88: | MonMotha: which # from vgdisplay is lvextend -l expecting? |
| [03:05:00] | MonMotha: | total extents |
| [03:05:00] | MonMotha: | that'll make the logical volume take up the entire volume group |
| [03:08:00] | derek88: | MonMotha: I'm getting closer, but I ran: lvextend -l1965 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /dev/hdb |
| [03:08:00] | derek88: | MonMotha: and got: Physical Volume "/dev/hdb" not found in Volume Group "VolGroup00" |
| [03:10:00] | MonMotha: | don't put the /dev/hdb on |
| [03:10:00] | MonMotha: | doesn't matter since it's the whole volume group anyway |
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| [03:15:00] | derek88: | MonMotha: I did a vgextend before the lvextend (I noticed that pvscan didn't show it in the group), but it still isn't showing the space in df-k |
| [03:16:00] | MonMotha: | you have the logical volume extended? |
| [03:16:00] | MonMotha: | does lvdisplay say it's the right size? |
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| [03:16:00] | derek88: | no, it doesn't look like it |
| [03:17:00] | MonMotha: | ok... |
| [03:17:00] | MonMotha: | how many extents does vgdisplay say the volume group is? and is it actually the full size? |
| [03:18:00] | derek88: | vgdisplay shows that there is free space |
| [03:18:00] | MonMotha: | ok, so how many total extents does it list for the voume group? |
| [03:18:00] | derek88: | so it sees the new drive |
| [03:19:00] | derek88: | total PE? |
| [03:19:00] | MonMotha: | yeah |
| [03:19:00] | derek88: | 9417 |
| [03:19:00] | MonMotha: | ok, so do lvextend -l9417 /path/to/mapper/device/for/lv |
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| [03:21:00] | derek88: | ok, that looked good – then I did a growfs and it is all showing |
| [03:21:00] | derek88: | thanks a bunch, I've been trying to go through the lvm docs for about 45 mins |
| [03:21:00] | MonMotha: | np |
| [03:22:00] | derek88: | so I didn't have the vgextend right, and when I did the lvextend I only did it for the size of the new drive, not the new total |
| [03:23:00] | derek88: | thanks again, take care |
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| [03:27:00] | Feel: | .. |
| [03:27:00] | Feel: | anybody not here? |
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| [03:30:00] | Agrajag-: | nice question |
| [03:30:00] | NightBird: | nope |
| [03:30:00] | diamon: | .:crickets:. |
| [03:30:00] | NightBird: | we're all dead |
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| [03:31:00] | diamon: | Not me, I'm undead today. |
| [03:31:00] | swim: | ive been having a difficult time getting my geforce3 card to display tvout not to mention use nvidia drivers in the first place, the module loads fine, and when try to add nvidia as the driver in my config file the screen simply goes blank as if its trying to use a resolution the monitor doesnt support. |
| [03:32:00] | Agrajag-: | what does the X output say? |
| [03:32:00] | diamon: | You removed the reference to nv in the X config too? |
| [03:33:00] | swim: | diamon, yes |
| [03:33:00] | swim: | Agrajag-, I cant check because if I try to kill x it gives me an unledgable screen |
| [03:35:00] | Agrajag-: | can't you switch out of X to a console and stop your login manager (or X) or whatever it is? |
| [03:35:00] | diamon: | Can you do ctrl-alt-f1 or whatever? |
| [03:35:00] | Agrajag-: | then run startx manually |
| [03:35:00] | swim: | ... |
| [03:35:00] | swim: | thats what I just said |
| [03:35:00] | swim: | if I try I get an unledgable console screen |
| [03:35:00] | Agrajag-: | reset it? |
| [03:35:00] | Agrajag-: | how did it become like that? |
| [03:35:00] | swim: | reset what |
| [03:36:00] | Agrajag-: | the terminal |
| [03:36:00] | swim: | when I kill X as I said |
| [03:36:00] | Agrajag-: | what do you mean by 'unledgable' (which i dont think is a real word) |
| [03:36:00] | Agrajag-: | is it as if you've viewed a binary file? |
| [03:37:00] | Agrajag-: | if so, reset your terminal |
| [03:37:00] | swim: | no its not |
| [03:37:00] | swim: | its black with green boxes |
| [03:37:00] | swim: | not ledgible |
| [03:37:00] | Agrajag-: | well i think you should fix that first |
| [03:37:00] | Agrajag-: | (are you using svga text mode or something?) |
| [03:38:00] | swim: | not that I know of |
| [03:39:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [03:39:00] | NightBird: | a game to play... |
| [03:39:00] | NightBird: | eh, sims 2 |
| [03:39:00] | NightBird: | afk |
| [03:39:00] | NightBird: | ...well, not afk, but.. |
| [03:40:00] | NightBird: | not paying attention at least |
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| [03:43:00] | swim: | how am I supposed to fix this? |
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| [03:50:00] | diamon: | swim: Did you follow all the setup stuff to add the nvidia driver? Have you read chapter 3 of the nvidia driver readme? |
| [03:51:00] | swim: | I know how to use nvidia dude |
| [03:51:00] | swim: | thats not the problem |
| [03:52:00] | diamon: | swim: You wouldn't believe some folks who come here.... Anyway, has that card ever worked with that nvidia driver, even a different version? |
| [03:53:00] | swim: | Actually no, I just got the card, it works with the nv driver, but I am having that problem with the nvidia drivers |
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| [03:54:00] | Feel: | hum... |
| [03:55:00] | Feel: | list |
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| [03:56:00] | diamon: | Ok, just because I hate like hell finding out later that it really wasn't checked, you did disable (in X's config) the drivers nv, vesa, and fbdev if present, removed the Load modules for dri and GLCore, and did add glx, yes? |
| [03:58:00] | diamon: | If yes, what is the card's exact model type? GF3 you said, ti, ti500, FX, whatever. Also, see what else shares the IRQ that the video card uses (with lspci). |
| [03:58:00] | diamon: | And with that for you to work with, I'm off for a smoke, brb. :) |
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| [04:04:00] | diamon: | And, back. Any luck? |
| [04:04:00] | swim: | no problems with my config file |
| [04:05:00] | swim: | and the card isnt sharing any irq |
| [04:07:00] | diamon: | It's not sharing at all? |
| [04:07:00] | swim: | ok I got nvidia wworking |
| [04:08:00] | diamon: | Cool, what was wrong with it? |
| [04:08:00] | swim: | ok nvidia drivers are working, now to get tvout working |
| [04:08:00] | swim: | I have no idea, I just reinstalled nvidia |
| [04:08:00] | diamon: | Ah well, so long as it's happy... |
| [04:08:00] | swim: | :) yes |
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| [04:09:00] | swim: | diamon, any suggestions as to maybe a howto on that part? |
| [04:09:00] | diamon: | Speaking of happy, anyone know why my otherwise happy Myth system refuses to recognize the remote's commands when watching DVD's? |
| [04:09:00] | diamon: | Which part, tvout? I wish, been trying to get my screen centered on the TV for a bit now. |
| [04:10:00] | swim: | yah tvout... well any tvout would be better than none at the moment |
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| [04:10:00] | mr|venom: | hi |
| [04:10:00] | mr|venom: | anyone here have their box hooked up to a hdtv using a hdmi cable using an nvidia card? |
| [04:12:00] | diamon: | swim: I just plug mine into the svideo port and set my TV to use that port, then reboot. Boop, there it is. Nothing special unless you want the monitor to be on at the same time. |
| [04:12:00] | swim: | diamon, yah I do |
| [04:14:00] | diamon: | Then you have to do other stuff to the config, like setting ConnectedMonitor to "TV,CRT" or something, and maybe set up TwinView, but I go solo with the TV< so I only know what I've read in the readme. |
| [04:15:00] | swim: | diamon,can I see your x config file? (actually just tvout is good enough if its easier) |
| [04:16:00] | diamon: | I really do absolutely nothing to my config, I just plug in the s-video cable and pull the monitor. |
| [04:17:00] | swim: | hmm |
| [04:17:00] | diamon: | A quick reboot, and it's changed over. When I want the monitor again, I just put the monitor back on and reboot again. I could maybe get it to do that by re-initing X, but I'm a fan of reboots for non-critical systems anyway. |
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| [04:28:00] | swim: | diamon, i dont know if its my setup but that doesnt work for me... svideo-adapter-composite to vhs to tv |
| [04:28:00] | NightBird: | <Sabrejack> everything is generalized |
| [04:29:00] | diamon: | Oh, you might have to force it to use that. If I don't have the svideo port live when I reboot, it refuses to activate that output. I think it senses. |
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| [04:29:00] | swim: | what do you mean live? |
| [04:30:00] | diamon: | I have to have the port hooked to the TV, and the TV watching that port for it to work. |
| [04:30:00] | diamon: | If the TV's on cable it seems to know, and activates the monitor port. |
| [04:30:00] | swim: | hrmmm |
| [04:32:00] | diamon: | I think the adapter might not allow it to 'sense' whatever it's looking for maybe. You may well have to force it to use the svideo port. |
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| [05:10:00] | monkeyontherun: | can anyone help me with sound? |
| [05:10:00] | monkeyontherun: | I have the settings correct but line is still not muted |
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| [05:12:00] | monkeyontherun: | can anyone help me with it? |
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| [05:14:00] | mr|venom: | anyone here have their box hooked up to a hdtv using a hdmi cable using an nvidia card? |
| [05:16:00] | MonMotha: | I use DVI, but that's bascially the same thing |
| [05:16:00] | MonMotha: | need a modeline? |
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| [05:16:00] | mr|venom: | MonMotha, check your pm |
| [05:16:00] | MonMotha: | pls don't pm me |
| [05:17:00] | MonMotha: | I have too many tabs as is |
| [05:17:00] | mr|venom: | MonMotha, can you please send me your xorg.conf or e-mail it to me? |
| [05:17:00] | MonMotha: | wouldn't do you much good unless you need to do 720p |
| [05:17:00] | monkeyontherun: | I get double audio with the captures set and line muted |
| [05:17:00] | mr|venom: | thats fine, can you please send it to me |
| [05:17:00] | MonMotha: | ok, it's also XFree86, and not currently configured for the output |
| [05:17:00] | mr|venom: | ??? |
| [05:17:00] | mr|venom: | wtf? |
| [05:18:00] | mr|venom: | what do you mean not currently configured for the output |
| [05:18:00] | MonMotha: | I currently have my system hooked up to my LCD, not my DLP |
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| [05:18:00] | MonMotha: | that and my crap TV using the TV encoder |
| [05:18:00] | mr|venom: | i'm not talking about dlp |
| [05:18:00] | mr|venom: | its using a dvi to hdmi cable |
| [05:18:00] | mr|venom: | never mind i need the modeline for a sony wega |
| [05:18:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, HDMI is just DVI on a different connector with audio |
| [05:18:00] | mr|venom: | i dunno what you're doing |
| [05:18:00] | MonMotha: | does your wega do 720p? |
| [05:19:00] | mr|venom: | hdmi doesn't have audio |
| [05:19:00] | mr|venom: | yes it does |
| [05:19:00] | mr|venom: | the tv |
| [05:19:00] | MonMotha: | ModeLine "ATSC-720–60p" 74.25 1280 1320 1376 1648 720 722 728 750 |
| [05:19:00] | MonMotha: | HDMI can have audio, though you won't get it on a DVI to HDMI cable |
| [05:19:00] | MonMotha: | that should work on any 720p TV |
| [05:20:00] | MonMotha: | 60Hz, there's also a 59.94 if you want |
| [05:20:00] | MonMotha: | ModeLine "ATSC-720–59.94p" 74.176 1280 1320 1376 1650 720 722 728 750 |
| [05:20:00] | MonMotha: | that would be more compatible with conventional TV |
| [05:20:00] | MonMotha: | is your Wega a CRT or some other projection technology (DLP, LCD, etc)? |
| [05:21:00] | djperegrine: | Ok sorry for the stoopid question |
| [05:22:00] | djperegrine: | but If I use mythtivo does that count as hacking a tivo? |
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| [05:22:00] | djperegrine: | because I heard if you hack a tivo you don't get the service |
| [05:24:00] | GotD0t: | djperegrine: ask tivo |
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| [05:32:00] | AlHaz: | que? hack a tivo don't get the service? |
| [05:32:00] | AlHaz: | I hacked my tivo almost 5 years ago |
| [05:32:00] | djperegrine: | Thats what I've heard |
| [05:33:00] | AlHaz: | nobody seems to mind |
| [05:33:00] | djperegrine: | :P |
| [05:33:00] | djperegrine: | ok ok |
| [05:33:00] | AlHaz: | djperegrine: Probably depends on the type of tivo and type of service – a hacked DirecTiVo receiver really shouldn't be allowed to phone home |
| [05:33:00] | AlHaz: | and doesn't need to, as it gets it's guide data off the satellite |
| [05:34:00] | djperegrine: | yea I really don't even know what kind it is :P |
| [05:34:00] | AlHaz: | stand alone tivos . . . . tivo corp just has rules about what they consider to be a loser move |
| [05:34:00] | djperegrine: | yea |
| [05:34:00] | mr|venom: | does anyone here use xorg/xfree to outut to a song wega? |
| [05:34:00] | AlHaz: | they get pissed off when you do something stupid, like tweak your version number so that your tivo downloads the current version every night |
| [05:34:00] | djperegrine: | :PP |
| [05:34:00] | mr|venom: | sony* |
| [05:34:00] | AlHaz: | tivo doesn't care if you get a bash prompt and install TivoWebPlus, etc |
| [05:35:00] | AlHaz: | they probably care a little when you disable the encryption on a series 2 tivo, but not enough to not accept your money |
| [05:35:00] | djperegrine: | I just want to share shows between my myth and tivo box |
| [05:35:00] | AlHaz: | djperegrine: well, go to dealdatabase.com and read the fora |
| [05:35:00] | AlHaz: | until you go crosseyed |
| [05:35:00] | AlHaz: | I don't actually know how MythTiVo works |
| [05:36:00] | djperegrine: | me either |
| [05:36:00] | AlHaz: | but it probably uses one of the various extraction tools |
| [05:36:00] | AlHaz: | But, here's a case in point |
| [05:36:00] | MonMotha: | mr|venom: did you try either of those two modelines? |
| [05:36:00] | djperegrine: | what does dealdatabase have to do with anything? |
| [05:36:00] | MonMotha: | it may also need 1080i, esp. if it is a CRT |
| [05:36:00] | AlHaz: | some versions of the TiVo software package have turned up from tivo with fixes in them that allow existing hacks to keep working |
| [05:36:00] | AlHaz: | djperegrine: that's where the vast majority of tivo hacking discussion goes on |
| [05:37:00] | djperegrine: | :P |
| [05:37:00] | AlHaz: | you can't discuss extraction tools on the tivocommunity.org site |
| [05:37:00] | djperegrine: | hahaha |
| [05:37:00] | AlHaz: | they kick you off for it |
| [05:37:00] | djperegrine: | so its like a undergroundness ? |
| [05:37:00] | AlHaz: | Sorta |
| [05:37:00] | djperegrine: | the front page is just a front ( no pun ) :P |
| [05:37:00] | AlHaz: | *shrug* |
| [05:38:00] | djperegrine: | haha |
| [05:38:00] | diamon: | Anyone know why my remote works in Mythtv but not when I'm playing DVD's? It's really starting to bug me. |
| [05:38:00] | MonMotha: | diamon: DVD playback uses mplayer (by default). Make sure lirc is setup to deal with mplayer |
| [05:39:00] | diamon: | So it needs a separate config then? |
| [05:39:00] | AlHaz: | myth allows mplayer to own be driven by lirc? ow. |
| [05:39:00] | MonMotha: | I dunno, I've not used lirc (for this), but last time I played a DVD in mythvideo mplayer bitched about how lirc wasn't configured, so I presume it may work (unless mythtv won't give it up) |
| [05:40:00] | diamon: | I'll look into it then, I thought it was a bit more integrated than that. Ah well. |
| [05:41:00] | diamon: | And another question, my audio difficulties continue to plague me. Does anyone use a PVR-150 that I could beg the roms and firmware off of? |
| [05:42:00] | MonMotha: | it may be, I don't really use LIRC as a remote receiver |
| [05:42:00] | MonMotha: | diamon: it should be on your CD... |
| [05:43:00] | diamon: | The rom is, but I didn't see the firmware stuff. Is it hidden in something? |
| [05:43:00] | MonMotha: | the audio is HcwMako.ROM I think |
| [05:43:00] | MonMotha: | let me look at the firmware |
| [05:44:00] | diamon: | And really, I was hoping to borrow a known-working full set of roms and firmware so I could be sure if my card is iffy or what. :) |
| [05:44:00] | MonMotha: | I know it's on there, just dno't remember what it's called |
| [05:44:00] | MonMotha: | let me go grab my CD |
| [05:45:00] | diamon: | I think it's the pair ivtv-fw-[dec/enc].bin for the firmware. |
| [05:46:00] | MonMotha: | HcwFalcn.rom is the encoder firmware |
| [05:46:00] | mr|venom: | anyone here have their box hooked up to a hdtv using a hdmi cable using an nvidia card? |
| [05:46:00] | MonMotha: | mr|venom: did you TRY the modelines I gave? |
| [05:47:00] | mr|venom: | they work, however, i cannot see about 50 pixels in each direction... its cut off on the borders |
| [05:47:00] | AlHaz: | As soon as i get an HD display, I'll give it a try |
| [05:47:00] | diamon: | Ok, I'll try the ones off the CD then, can't hurt! |
| [05:47:00] | MonMotha: | that's normal |
| [05:47:00] | MonMotha: | your TV is overscanning |
| [05:47:00] | mr|venom: | !!! |
| [05:47:00] | MonMotha: | that's what it is supposed to do |
| [05:47:00] | mr|venom: | :( |
| [05:47:00] | ** mr|venom stabs tv ** | |
| [05:47:00] | mr|venom: | how do we underscan it? |
| [05:47:00] | MonMotha: | my TV crops about 10px off on each side |
| [05:48:00] | AlHaz: | I have no idea how one deals with overscan in DVI land |
| [05:48:00] | MonMotha: | there's an option in one of the frontend setups (I think appearance) to attempt to underscan it a bit |
| [05:48:00] | mr|venom: | is that a myth option? |
| [05:48:00] | MonMotha: | AlHaz: in theory you can tweak the modeline a bit, but then you drift from native |
| [05:48:00] | MonMotha: | easier to just have software ignore the overscanned area |
| [05:48:00] | mr|venom: | is that a myth option? |
| [05:48:00] | AlHaz: | If you look at the output of a TiVo on a tuner card, it's obvious that tivo just left a lot of border margin on their UI |
| [05:48:00] | mr|venom: | MonMotha1 |
| [05:49:00] | mr|venom: | MonMotha! |
| [05:49:00] | MonMotha: | mr|venom: yes |
| [05:49:00] | mr|venom: | is that a myth option... the frontend thingymigjigjig |
| [05:49:00] | MonMotha: | setup->tv settings->playback->overscan |
| [05:49:00] | MonMotha: | I believe you can tell it to underscan ther e(just give it a negative number) |
| [05:50:00] | MonMotha: | overscan is just a fact of life when dealing with TVs |
| [05:50:00] | MonMotha: | my DLP has an option to crush things down, but you get ugly scaling crap, and lose effective resolution |
| [05:50:00] | MonMotha: | easier to just live with the overscan |
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| [05:52:00] | mr|venom: | icthatuaretomh |
| [05:52:00] | tomh: | ya |
| [05:52:00] | mr|venom: | MonMotha, so do the mythtv overscan options do the same for video? even though it uses mplayer or an extermal player or would i ahve to config that too? |
| [05:53:00] | smoke_: | anyone here have the dvd import feature working? |
| [05:55:00] | MonMotha: | mr|venom: I have no clue, 've never used it |
| [05:56:00] | djperegrine: | damn |
| [05:56:00] | djperegrine: | I can't get mythtivo to compile :( |
| [05:56:00] | djperegrine: | qmake:command not found :O |
| [05:57:00] | monkeyontherun: | my line in won't mute |
| [05:57:00] | MonMotha: | so install qmake |
| [05:57:00] | monkeyontherun: | has anyone seen that happen? |
| [05:59:00] | djperegrine: | :> |
| [06:00:00] | diamon: | MonMotha: Ok, I fixed the ivtvfwextract to work with my CD and got the firmware and ROM's off of that one source. I'll go play with that a bit and see what it does! |
| [06:01:00] | diamon: | It came up with different size files than I had in there, so let's see what they do... |
| [06:04:00] | MonMotha: | diamon: you shouldn't need ivtvfwextract for the CD that comes with a 150... |
| [06:04:00] | MonMotha: | but eh |
| [06:05:00] | diamon: | Well, my dec file MD5's to the same file, but enc is different. That's hopeful. |
| [06:06:00] | MonMotha: | you don't need the decoder firmware |
| [06:06:00] | MonMotha: | only 350s have a decoder |
| [06:06:00] | diamon: | Not really, since I don't do output on this card type, but they came paired in the RPM, so I'll do the same just in case it cares. |
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| [06:09:00] | diamon: | If I match everything from the same source, it's more likely to not freak out on me, I figure. :) TV quality's excellent so far, except for that sound problem I've been getting. |
| [06:12:00] | mr|venom: | anyone here know how to tell a tv not to overscan? its using dvi to hdmi cable. |
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| [06:13:00] | mns6070: | Hi |
| [06:13:00] | mns6070: | I am at my wits end with a Packard Bell receiver |
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| [06:15:00] | mns6070: | I can get mode2 to work, just not irw |
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| [06:25:00] | djperegrine: | most retarded package ever |
| [06:25:00] | djperegrine: | They put the wrong folder for the subdirectory |
| [06:25:00] | djperegrine: | had to edit the .pro file |
| [06:25:00] | mns6070: | I wish someone would help me |
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| [06:30:00] | MonMotha: | hum, oddly enough, the overscan stuff appears to apply to playback only, not the frontend graphics |
| [06:30:00] | topping: | MonMotha: there's a way to change that in the setup |
| [06:30:00] | PoonJ: | hey MonMotha: what kind of antenna do you have? |
| [06:30:00] | topping: | on the frontend |
| [06:30:00] | MonMotha: | topping: where? |
| [06:31:00] | MonMotha: | PoonJ: an amplified UHF loop and an amplified VHF rabbit-ears style dipole |
| [06:31:00] | topping: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->... |
| [06:31:00] | MonMotha: | well yeah, setup :) |
| [06:32:00] | MonMotha: | I guess I could reduce the frontend area and offset it some |
| [06:32:00] | topping: | that's what i do |
| [06:32:00] | MonMotha: | works I guess |
| [06:32:00] | topping: | a tradeoff between blowing a lot of time getting it "right" and watching movies with the thing ;-) |
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| [06:36:00] | MonMotha: | oh wait, that fscks with my playback overscan too since I can't use the fullscreen playback option since MythTV is too dumb to figure out hat it's on screen1, not screen0 |
| [06:37:00] | MonMotha: | well, it knows it's on screen1, but it grabs the resolution of screen0 |
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| [06:37:00] | MonMotha: | it's not too badly overscanned, I guess |
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| [06:41:00] | djperegrine: | Ah man :( |
| [06:41:00] | djperegrine: | WHen I try to connect to my tivo box it says no route to host :( |
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| [06:47:00] | djperegrine: | can I add a route or something? |
| [06:48:00] | topping: | djperegrine: can you ping it? |
| [06:49:00] | topping: | if you get that error on ping, it's not responding |
| [06:49:00] | djperegrine: | it says |
| [06:49:00] | djperegrine: | destination host unreachable |
| [06:49:00] | topping: | that just means it can't find it in the ARP table |
| [06:50:00] | topping: | which means that address is not live |
| [06:50:00] | djperegrine: | I am using a static IP should I use DHCP? |
| [06:50:00] | topping: | that doesn't matter so much if the address is actually catching. are you sure you don't have bad cables or connection? |
| [06:50:00] | topping: | link lights on both sides? |
| [06:50:00] | djperegrine: | well its a tivo |
| [06:51:00] | topping: | ic |
| [06:51:00] | djperegrine: | its prob blocking the connection |
| [06:51:00] | djperegrine: | its totally unhacked |
| [06:51:00] | topping: | i would suggest tcpdump on the network, then cold-boot the tivo |
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| [06:51:00] | topping: | see what the tivo sends out on broadcast |
| [06:52:00] | topping: | it should arp for the address it wants to use to see if anyone else is using it |
| [06:52:00] | djperegrine: | The tivo is downstairs :P I am lazy :P |
| [06:56:00] | slePP: | anyone know where beirdo's been at? |
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| [06:59:00] | diamon: | I suppose if you use DHCP you can at least check your DHCP server's logs to be sure it actually is talking. |
| [07:04:00] | djperegrine: | ah |
| [07:04:00] | djperegrine: | it was the wrong IP |
| [07:04:00] | djperegrine: | hehe |
| [07:04:00] | djperegrine: | well now it pings |
| [07:04:00] | djperegrine: | but mythtivo just crashes |
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| [07:38:00] | ribaldjester: | has anyone seen this error before? FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.11–1.35_FC3/updates/drivers/media/video/ivtv.ko): Invalid module format |
| [07:38:00] | ribaldjester: | I've checked gossamer threads and there isn't a good solution listed... |
| [07:38:00] | ribaldjester: | this is when I modprobe ivtv |
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| [07:42:00] | ribaldjester: | ok found the problem...apparently i've got mixed module types (686 when I need 586).. |
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| [08:08:00] | chris: | Hi All. What's the best way to test and check doing commercial detection on all the nuv's I recorded tonight so that I can code them in xvid next? |
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| [08:10:00] | chris: | Can someone help me detect the commercials in my nuv's? |
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| [10:46:00] | secross: | Hello, i am having a hard time trying to get channels found wi th mythtv 0.18.1 and win-tv nova, could someone help? |
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| [10:47:00] | phillip37: | hi everybody |
| [10:49:00] | phillip37: | i hope someone can help me i have a visionplus dvb-t tv card and i have just installed knoppmyth r5a16 and before i put the card i was told i needed t update the kernel but as i don't know how to do this can anyone help me at all |
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| [12:02:00] | tekkeh: | hi all... in MythVideo you can select a video and ask it to fetch details from the internet. Is there a way to get myth to run through an entire directory in a batch and fetch the details of all videos? |
| [12:07:00] | diamon: | I think myth runs a script to do the 'get data' thing, maybe you can call that script manually to do them as a batch if nothing else. |
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| [12:23:00] | smoke_: | any of u guys using mythdvd? |
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| [13:05:00] | diamon: | So, anyone know what can be done to correct the 'malloc check' errors I sometimes get when cancelling a recorded video that I was watching? It crashes out when it hits that. Exact message is *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (normal): with a variable hex number here. |
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| [13:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Sure, file a more indepth bug report including a backtrace as describe in the mythtv.org docs and hopefulyl someone will be able to trackdown the cause :) |
| [13:48:00] | DeeKs: | evening folks, anyone able to help with some info on using a pvr-x50 card |
| [13:49:00] | DeeKs: | (basically i'm interested in a copy of someones channel table, i want to check something) |
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| [13:51:00] | DeeKs: | anyone? |
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| [13:55:00] | diamon: | Channel table? |
| [13:55:00] | DeeKs: | out of the db |
| [13:56:00] | diamon: | Can you tell me how to do it quick? I've got a pvr-150 if you think it'll help. |
| [13:56:00] | diamon: | Export it, that is. |
| [13:56:00] | DeeKs: | open a shell, type mysql -p mythconverg, enter your password, and then do a select * from channel; (then just cut and paste in a priv message) |
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| [13:57:00] | DeeKs: | I'm trying to help someone with a pvr-x50 card and I think their doing something crazy with the channel freq's (I dont have a pvr-x50 card) |
| [13:58:00] | diamon: | What's it doing wrong? |
| [13:58:00] | DeeKs: | well their box doesnt work at all, and they have what appear to be crazy numbers in their channel table, eg one channel has a frequency of 203250 |
| [14:00:00] | diamon: | Bah, that command scrolled like crazy. I can paste you a few screens of text, but I don't have all that much scrollback defined for that terminal window. |
| [14:00:00] | DeeKs: | i only need a couple of entries |
| [14:00:00] | diamon: | Hop to #mythtemp and I'll paste them in channel, this is a new IRC client and I don't know how to pass private messages with such large pastes. |
| [14:01:00] | DeeKs: | thanks |
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| [14:02:00] | DeeKs: | thank ye, that sorted it |
| [14:02:00] | diamon: | k |
| [14:03:00] | diamon: | I hope like crazy that went to the right channel. :P Silly Epic client. |
| [14:03:00] | DeeKs: | yup |
| [14:03:00] | diamon: | Good good. |
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| [14:07:00] | DeeKs: | thx, bbl |
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| [14:40:00] | aniii: | hoi |
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| [14:42:00] | aniii: | whats the prob with mythtv if there s no channel switching if a record starts on an other channel as it was choosen bevor? |
| [14:42:00] | aniii: | only the channel which is selected by watch live tv is recorded ... |
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| [14:51:00] | stoffel_: | hm, you enabled the external channel changer script option? |
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| [14:55:00] | diamon: | aniii: Mine just doesn't record if I'm watching live TV when a recording is scheduled, as far as I can tell. |
| [14:55:00] | diamon: | Though I wish there were options for that. |
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| [14:59:00] | fatmatt: | diamon: theres an option there somewhere, if your watching live tv a box pops up asking if you want to keep watching or record |
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| [15:34:00] | bob832: | hi, i have been searching the mail archives and please correct me if i am wrong but in order to have a dual tuner setup and record one channel and watch another with digital cable, i need two cable boxs, right? |
| [15:35:00] | diamon: | You'll need two if you want to record otherwise encrypted/scrambled channels. I just get the unprotected ones on my one tuner, though eventually I might add a second to use the cable box. |
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| [15:36:00] | diamon: | Only premium channels are protected on my Comcast section, though other providers may well vary. |
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| [15:37:00] | bob832: | ok, thats what i figured |
| [15:37:00] | EL_Whistey: | Would I be better off using the cvs/svc version than the 0.18.1 version? |
| [15:37:00] | bob832: | thank diamon |
| [15:38:00] | EL_Whistey: | 0.18.1 has a serious bug – startchannel doesn't seem to be initialized from mythtv-setup |
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| [15:39:00] | EL_Whistey: | so watch tv doesn't work, but fails with reasonably uninformative log messages. |
| [15:39:00] | stoffel: | that might be fixed already in the release-0-18-fixes branch of svn |
| [15:41:00] | EL_Whistey: | Ok. I've manually mysql'd around it, but need to recompile anyway (to remove X screen resizing which I think is causing a problem) ... is it a bad idea to go for the bleeding edge? |
| [15:45:00] | stoffel: | svn usually is quite stable for me, but ymmv |
| [15:46:00] | stoffel: | i'm using analog cable, not dvb |
| [15:48:00] | jonK: | which message? I was unable to watch live tv this morning |
| [15:48:00] | jonK: | but it appeared to be a mythfrontend error, |
| [15:51:00] | EL_Whistey: | |DVB#0 ERROR – Failed to get channel options for channel . |
| [15:52:00] | EL_Whistey: | I think that was the one. Problem seemed to be that when the live tv starts it tries to tune to an initial channel. If you're running the backend while running myth-setup, it doesn't seem to update the db with that data, which is blank. |
| [15:52:00] | EL_Whistey: | The clue is the space between 'channel' and '.', but I needed to google to find the problem. |
| [15:53:00] | EL_Whistey: | At least I presume that's why the data wasn't updated. |
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| [15:57:00] | EL_Whistey: | How do I get the front end to be explicit and verbose about what it's doing? I have -verbose all, but it's not giving me much to go on. |
| [15:58:00] | EL_Whistey: | Sorry, let me search through gossamer threads for a while to try to get some answers rather than duplicate questions here. |
| [16:01:00] | bob832: | its me again, got another quick question, i was reading the docs on mythtv.org and was wondering, i got a P IV 1.7GHz lying around, would that be good enough with a PVR-250 ? or to use that processor, go with PVR-350? |
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| [16:01:00] | bob832: | or should i take the plunge and get a faster processor? just looking to save some money ;-) |
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| [16:02:00] | jonK: | bob, you should be fine for either... |
| [16:02:00] | jonK: | for the encoder side, that's plenty |
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| [16:03:00] | jonK: | for decoding it should be fine too, but if you're going to use multiple frontends it might not be enough |
| [16:03:00] | bob832: | ok, like i said, i was reading the docs at mythtv.org and it mentioned that the faster the processor the better but it also said that with the pvr-350, you would not need as fast a processor |
| [16:03:00] | jonK: | true, that's becuase the 350 will do hardware encoding and decoding |
| [16:03:00] | jonK: | the 250 will only do encoding |
| [16:04:00] | jonK: | but decoding is less intensive, i recall the docs saying about 1ghz per card or stream ... |
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| [16:04:00] | bob832: | right now, i am looking at building a frontend/backend machine and someday do one backend and multiple frontends but the one i am building now would probally turn into just a from end |
| [16:05:00] | bob832: | oh, i must have missed that about decoding being less intensive. . . |
| [16:05:00] | jonK: | you should be fine then for any of those purposes |
| [16:06:00] | tekkeh: | does anybody know where the alsa mixer settings file is?i want to reset my audio settings... getting an echo when i watch live tv |
| [16:08:00] | EL_Whistey: | tekkeh, why not use alsa-mixer? |
| [16:08:00] | stoffel: | /var/lib/alsa i believe |
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| [16:09:00] | stf: | hello... |
| [16:09:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yahoo, btw, I just got live tv for the first time, putting NO_XV=1 NO_XRANDR=1 before mythfrontend |
| [16:09:00] | ** EL_Whistey does the happy dance. ** | |
| [16:10:00] | stf: | does any body have a TV Wonder pro here |
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| [16:12:00] | EL_Whistey: | OMFG, it's using 99% of a 3GHz P4. I've done something very wrong here :) |
| [16:13:00] | EL_Whistey: | It's a good start. |
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| [16:13:00] | stoffel: | NO_XV=1 might be the mistake :) |
| [16:14:00] | EL_Whistey: | Ah. Sadly, without it I get slow stuttering audio and no video at all. |
| [16:14:00] | jonK: | so i guess the happy dance has ended? |
| [16:15:00] | EL_Whistey: | With a thud. |
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| [16:15:00] | MrSpiffy: | hello |
| [16:15:00] | jonK: | what card btw? |
| [16:15:00] | EL_Whistey: | dvico dvb-t plus tuner, geforce 6600GT 128Mb pci-e with component out. |
| [16:16:00] | MrSpiffy: | I have setup a new machine for a backend – uses intel hda audio (alsa v 1.09) sound works but the recording source is called "capture" not line in – which device to I set in mythtv to use this input? |
| [16:16:00] | jonK: | I have an hd3000 but I really haven't tried to get it working yet |
| [16:16:00] | MrSpiffy: | I have setup a new machine for a backend – uses intel hda audio (alsa v 1.09) sound works but the recording source is called "capture" not line in – which device to I set in mythtv to use this input? |
| [16:16:00] | EL_Whistey: | MrSpiffy, let me know if you can get the alsa audi to sync with video :) |
| [16:18:00] | MrSpiffy: | EL_Whistey, well with it just coming in on LINE it is of course 2 secs behind |
| [16:18:00] | MrSpiffy: | EL_Whistey, on my other machine I could set the line in to mute and record – worked great |
| [16:19:00] | EL_Whistey: | I am a total n00b. :} |
| [16:19:00] | MrSpiffy: | but the intel high definition card doesn't have that option. instead I can set the capture source to line, but what /dev do I use for the myth audio source – that's the big question |
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| [16:27:00] | MrSpiffy: | I got it! |
| [16:27:00] | MrSpiffy: | whaamo! |
| [16:27:00] | MrSpiffy: | alsamixer set it up correctly |
| [16:27:00] | MrSpiffy: | and it's in synch :) |
| [16:28:00] | MrSpiffy: | yahoo! |
| [16:28:00] | MrSpiffy: | new machine is IDE raid 5 – hardware – 360G for lots of storage :) |
| [16:28:00] | ** MrSpiffy is in mythtv happy land ** | |
| [16:28:00] | MrSpiffy: | so El – what prob are you having? |
| [16:28:00] | stoffel: | MrSpiffy: welcome ;) |
| [16:29:00] | MrSpiffy: | stoffel, hehehe |
| [16:29:00] | MrSpiffy: | no to make sure the settings stick on a reboot |
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| [16:47:00] | EL_Whistey: | ah-hah. There is an XvMCNVIDIA library. I bet that makes a difference. |
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| [16:55:00] | diamon: | That explains why XvMC makes such a nice difference in CPU usage. I thought it was an X feature. |
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| [16:56:00] | Geckofiend: | diamon heh XvMC is hardware accelration of MPEG content. |
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| [16:59:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: cards should arrive today =)) |
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| [18:02:00] | EL_Whistey: | Ok. There's definitely a problem with Xv + nvidia + mythtv or mplayer |
| [18:02:00] | EL_Whistey: | so I guess that means Xv + nvidia. |
| [18:03:00] | CyberKnet: | morning xris =) |
| [18:03:00] | xris: | morning |
| [18:04:00] | CyberKnet: | got a pot going for what time Rob will be in this morning? |
| [18:04:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [18:04:00] | xris: | heh |
| [18:04:00] | xris: | nah, I'd lose |
| [18:04:00] | CyberKnet: | I'd put two on 9:17 |
| [18:05:00] | xris: | heh |
| [18:05:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: you use suse, right? |
| [18:05:00] | Tommck: | I do |
| [18:05:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: Nope. I use LinuxForIdiots |
| [18:05:00] | xris: | don't think any of the owners are here yet, either. |
| [18:05:00] | xris: | CyberKnet: that explains a few things. ;) |
| [18:05:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: cool. |
| [18:05:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: more than a few, buddy =) |
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| [18:05:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: aka Fedora Core |
| [18:06:00] | laga: | Tommck: oh, heh. umm. did you ever experience borkedness with susefirewall2? |
| [18:06:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: can't say I've ever used it. |
| [18:06:00] | Tommck: | laga – not using it, sorry |
| [18:06:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: simech gets off to a late-ish start... |
| [18:06:00] | laga: | Tommck: k, thanks |
| [18:06:00] | ** Tommck is living on the edge! ** | |
| [18:06:00] | ** laga has just locked himself out of the fscking server ** | |
| [18:07:00] | Tommck: | console? |
| [18:07:00] | EL_Whistey: | Iaga, always have an explicit rule leaving ssh open. |
| [18:07:00] | EL_Whistey: | That's for when you do manage to get access again. |
| [18:07:00] | Tommck: | laga – no console access? |
| [18:07:00] | laga: | EL_Whistey: heh. i thought that suse would take care of that – i told it to allow ssh. |
| [18:08:00] | laga: | Tommck: no, but i have a rescue system. i still sucks. |
| [18:08:00] | laga: | it* |
| [18:08:00] | Tommck: | yeah |
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| [18:12:00] | EL_Whistey: | Suse would be wrong to give out a firewall which had a hole in it. |
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| [18:12:00] | EL_Whistey: | and that's what an open ssh port is, if you don't know you've enabled it. |
| [18:13:00] | laga: | EL_Whistey: i enabled it intentionally. |
| [18:13:00] | EL_Whistey: | Iaga, apparently not :) |
| [18:14:00] | laga: | EL_Whistey: dude. i even looked in the config file. |
| [18:14:00] | laga: | it *is* enabled |
| [18:14:00] | EL_Whistey: | you might find that ssh isn't responding on the first connection attempt, mind you, as it doesn't know the server key of the connecting machine |
| [18:14:00] | EL_Whistey: | possibly you need to ssh out from it first. |
| [18:15:00] | laga: | the sshd knows my key. |
| [18:15:00] | laga: | and the machine doesn't respond to http, icmp... |
| [18:15:00] | EL_Whistey: | IOW, the firewall may be permitting the connection, but ssh may be refusing it anyway. Try ssh -v, and see if it's making a connection. |
| [18:15:00] | ** EL_Whistey reiterates: always leave an explicitly open ssh port in your firewall, close to the top of the rules. ** | |
| [18:16:00] | laga: | Suse is a distro for idiots, i didn't think that i would need it. |
| [18:16:00] | ** EL_Whistey shrugs, wouldn't know. ** | |
| [18:16:00] | ** Tommck takes a bit of offense to that portrayal of SuSE ** | |
| [18:17:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yay! Distro wars!! |
| [18:17:00] | ** Tommck also thinks laga is right :) ** | |
| [18:17:00] | laga: | heh |
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| [18:17:00] | EL_Whistey: | Suse is teh suck. Debian rulez. And emacs caps vi's ass. |
| [18:17:00] | EL_Whistey: | now we've got that sorted out ... |
| [18:17:00] | laga: | i'd love to use debian, but then, i'm lazy and didn't want to install confixx manually. |
| [18:18:00] | fatmatt: | debian is the only distro |
| [18:18:00] | Tommck: | I'm not a distro zealout... I just run the same one on all my machines for consistenct |
| [18:18:00] | Tommck: | y |
| [18:18:00] | EL_Whistey: | I'm a Debianista. |
| [18:19:00] | Tommck: | I'm about to try out Ubuntu |
| [18:19:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yeah, well, Ubuntu is just Debian in drag. |
| [18:19:00] | fatmatt: | I was looking at ubuntu, but theres no way I'm reloading myth/debian again |
| [18:19:00] | Tommck: | well, Debian could use a little flair :) |
| [18:19:00] | EL_Whistey: | I chose to install Ubuntu on my mythtv box. It was ok. |
| [18:20:00] | EL_Whistey: | I only had to reinstall it twice. |
| [18:20:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [18:20:00] | fatmatt: | I thought the only reason people used ubuntu was that they didn't like a distro with "testing" or "unstable" in the config |
| [18:20:00] | EL_Whistey: | I didn't go with xorg, that was causing problems. |
| [18:20:00] | EL_Whistey: | Their installer seems to have good support for newer stuff, which is good. |
| [18:20:00] | Tommck: | that's what I hear |
| [18:21:00] | EL_Whistey: | SATA, e.g. |
| [18:21:00] | fatmatt: | what sort of newer stuff? |
| [18:21:00] | EL_Whistey: | SATA, madwifi |
| [18:21:00] | fatmatt: | ahhh |
| [18:21:00] | fatmatt: | whats a madwifif? |
| [18:21:00] | laga: | a driver for a wireless card |
| [18:21:00] | EL_Whistey: | driver for umm atheron wifi cards |
| [18:21:00] | Tommck: | what's the diff between xorg and X11? |
| [18:22:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: looks like I would have lost that bet as well. |
| [18:22:00] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [18:22:00] | fatmatt: | X11 changed the licence from gpl I think.. and xorg forked |
| [18:22:00] | EL_Whistey: | X11 are old idiots. xorg are younger. |
| [18:22:00] | Tommck: | oh... that's right. |
| [18:22:00] | EL_Whistey: | the xorg folk are at least opening things up. |
| [18:22:00] | Tommck: | hehe... how many times has that been said by young people about how many different scenarios? |
| [18:23:00] | EL_Whistey: | There's a quote: scientific progress only occurs at funerals. |
| [18:23:00] | xris: | CyberKnet: you lose. 9:23 |
| [18:23:00] | fatmatt: | anyone else us evolution? |
| [18:23:00] | fatmatt: | speaking of debian |
| [18:23:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: aah well. it was a good guess =) |
| [18:24:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yeah, evolution's good. |
| [18:25:00] | fatmatt: | I am having serious stability issues, I can't use contacts/calendar windows without it crashing and I need to delete .gconf/apps/evolution/addressbook to get it to start up again |
| [18:26:00] | fatmatt: | I am getting pissed off |
| [18:26:00] | ** laga too. ** | |
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| [18:29:00] | EL_Whistey: | Upgrade evolution. Upgrade everything!! |
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| [18:35:00] | EL_Whistey: | Ok, I think I need to find out what args mythtv is giving Xv. |
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| [18:37:00] | Chutt: | args? |
| [18:37:00] | Chutt: | there are no 'args' for xv. |
| [18:37:00] | iznogood: | Hi, If I go to the CD-import menu I get the view where the cddb data is entered for a short time |
| [18:37:00] | iznogood: | but then it spits out the cd again, leaving that tab |
| [18:37:00] | EL_Whistey: | There's a sync-on-black that's being set somewhere, Chutt. |
| [18:37:00] | iznogood: | there is no log output |
| [18:38:00] | Chutt: | wth is 'sync-on-black'? |
| [18:38:00] | iznogood: | any ideas? |
| [18:39:00] | EL_Whistey: | Chutt, it's an attribute settable by the client reported by xvinfo. |
| [18:39:00] | Chutt: | i'm pretty sure there's no such thing |
| [18:39:00] | Chutt: | there's 'sync to vblank' |
| [18:39:00] | Chutt: | but myth doesn't touch that attribute at all. |
| [18:39:00] | EL_Whistey: | Ah, you're right, I'm wrong. sync to vblank |
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| [18:41:00] | Mrgoose: | hello |
| [18:41:00] | Mrgoose: | whats a good case for htpc? |
| [18:42:00] | CyberKnet: | Mrgoose: there are many, and they largely depend on your own taste. |
| [18:42:00] | Mrgoose: | where can i go to begin looking? |
| [18:43:00] | Tommck: | |
| [18:43:00] | EL_Whistey: | antec make some nice quiet cases. |
| [18:43:00] | Tommck: | look for HTPC cases |
| [18:43:00] | CyberKnet: | Tommck is correct. |
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| [18:44:00] | Mrgoose: | heh |
| [18:44:00] | Mrgoose: | well i figured you all may have some specific links |
| [18:45:00] | Tommck: | there are too many.. |
| [18:45:00] | Tommck: | it's all personal preference |
| [18:45:00] | Tommck: | just like for your case for your regular PCs |
| [18:45:00] | Tommck: | Antec makes some good ones... Lascala does too |
| [18:45:00] | Tommck: | there are TONS |
| [18:46:00] | ** xris likes his pundit. ** | |
| [18:47:00] | ** kormoc perfers lian-li, tho they arn't really htpc... ** | |
| [18:47:00] | Tommck: | xris – is that a front-end only? |
| [18:47:00] | xris: | Tommck: air2pc and pvr-150 installed in it, so no. |
| [18:47:00] | Tommck: | oh.. ok |
| [18:48:00] | xris: | had a pctvpro before, too. |
| [18:48:00] | Tommck: | didn't think they were big enough for lotsa disks |
| [18:48:00] | xris: | only one disk |
| [18:48:00] | xris: | I don't keep shows around long — archive them to xvid and pop them on my file server. |
| [18:48:00] | Tommck: | oh... I have 5 in my backend |
| [18:49:00] | xris: | could always just do that with a slave backend. |
| [18:49:00] | Tommck: | small boot drive... and 4–300GB for data |
| [18:49:00] | xris: | thought myth had some way to shuffle recordings around. |
| [18:49:00] | xris: | 300G could be done with a single drive. |
| [18:49:00] | Tommck: | I didn't think they had a way to move them around |
| [18:49:00] | Tommck: | yeah... I have 4 of them |
| [18:49:00] | xris: | oh, gotcha. |
| [18:49:00] | Tommck: | I have 1.2TB |
| [18:49:00] | xris: | 4x, not 4- |
| [18:49:00] | kormoc: | lies |
| [18:50:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [18:50:00] | Tommck: | lies? |
| [18:50:00] | Tommck: | why would I lie? |
| [18:50:00] | xris: | I have a 120G in my mythbox. it might have 25G on disk now. |
| [18:50:00] | kormoc: | Tommck, at 300 000 000 000 bytes * 4 = 1 117.58709 gigabytes |
| [18:50:00] | xris: | kormoc don't forget partition overhead, too. |
| [18:50:00] | kormoc: | ooh, right |
| [18:50:00] | kormoc: | and filesystem reserved blocks! |
| [18:51:00] | Tommck: | no... that's giBibytes :) |
| [18:51:00] | Geckofiend: | xris heh I'm sitting at 104G of 568G free |
| [18:51:00] | Tommck: | I thought it was accepted that GB has been kinda redefined now |
| [18:51:00] | xris: | Tommck: you have that the other way around. |
| [18:51:00] | xris: | mibibyte == 1024 bytes |
| [18:51:00] | Tommck: | I know that it's 1024x1024x1024 for a GB |
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| [18:51:00] | kormoc: | Tommck, till the os's change their way, I'm gonna go with them on this one :) |
| [18:52:00] | Tommck: | and a gibibyte? |
| [18:52:00] | kormoc: | Tommck, and linux says my '320 gb' is only 293 gb. |
| [18:52:00] | xris: | 1024 mibibytes |
| [18:52:00] | xris: | kormoc corrected me, a mibibyte is 1024 kibibytes |
| [18:52:00] | Tommck: | xris – ok... so you're saying the HD manufacturers are lying, that's why he things I'm lying? |
| [18:53:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [18:53:00] | xris: | Tommck: he's just giving you a hard time |
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| [18:53:00] | Tommck: | I know |
| [18:53:00] | Tommck: | well, in HD manufacturers terms, I have 1.2TB |
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| [18:53:00] | kormoc: | that and, my 1.017 tb is really only 987 gb... :P |
| [18:53:00] | xris: | Geckofiend: there's a good reason I wrote nuvexport. heh. |
| [18:54:00] | xris: | used to archive everything to svcd.. now I just use xvid. |
| [18:54:00] | Tommck: | xris – got a question about that... |
| [18:54:00] | kormoc: | Tommck, if you formatted them ext3, you did remember to turn off the root user only reserved blocks, right? |
| [18:54:00] | Tommck: | kormoc – xfs |
| [18:54:00] | EL_Whistey: | HD manufacturers lie. |
| [18:55:00] | xris: | EL_Whistey: that's a well-established fact... but not about drive size. |
| [18:55:00] | Tommck: | if I have a "4x3" signal coming into an s-video port, what resolution should I tell myth to record at? |
| [18:55:00] | xris: | Tommck: I use 720x480 to capture as much quality as possible. |
| [18:55:00] | EL_Whistey: | Sure they do. They redefined 'megabyte' as if it were an ISO unit. It's not. |
| [18:55:00] | xris: | then downsize to 624x464 when I export. |
| [18:55:00] | Tommck: | xris – that's what I've been doing |
| [18:56:00] | xris: | EL_Whistey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte |
| [18:56:00] | kormoc: | EL_Whistey, tho, honestly, the lieing bout disabling of write caching is worse then hard drive sizes... |
| [18:56:00] | xris: | EL_Whistey: a megabyte *is* 1000000 bytes. |
| [18:56:00] | Tommck: | so... now, with a "4:3" image that actually contains a letterboxed "16x9" image, how the hell do I just get the 16x9 out? :) |
| [18:56:00] | EL_Whistey: | kormoc, Ah yes, the old travelstar problem? |
| [18:56:00] | Tommck: | mega does mean "1 million" |
| [18:57:00] | EL_Whistey: | Mega means "1 million" in ancient greek, I think. |
| [18:57:00] | xris: | Tommck: you crop. haven't gotten that into nuvexport as an option yet. |
| [18:57:00] | EL_Whistey: | Possibly in demotic greek. Certainly in ISO units, but not in memory calculations. |
| [18:57:00] | Beirdo: | Tommck: I told you that yesterday or the day before |
| [18:57:00] | Tommck: | EL – not ancient as far as I know |
| [18:57:00] | stoffel: | Tommck: did you look on the transcode wiki? they have some examples there |
| [18:57:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – yeah... I'm trying to figure out how to crop it. |
| [18:58:00] | kormoc: | EL_Whistey, nah, a lot of raid controlers request drives to disable write caching, and they claim they do, but they don't. it's been a problem that bytes people in the ass at times, pun intended. |
| [18:58:00] | Tommck: | it seems to pass "720x480" to a couple different things |
| [18:58:00] | Tommck: | oh? |
| [18:58:00] | Tommck: | stoffel – no, I didn't – I will do that now |
| [18:58:00] | EL_Whistey: | SI was established by Napoleon, ffs. He didn't know about bytes. |
| [18:59:00] | EL_Whistey: | He, nor his savants, cared. They chose 10 because it made sense. 1024 makes sense for binary. |
| [18:59:00] | xris: | EL_Whistey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte |
| [18:59:00] | Tommck: | SI? |
| [18:59:00] | EL_Whistey: | kormoc, had the same problem with a laptop disk. Suspend to disk got interesting, as the machine shut down without flushing. |
| [18:59:00] | xris: | you have your units confused |
| [19:00:00] | EL_Whistey: | Systeme International. |
| [19:00:00] | EL_Whistey: | aka 'metric' |
| [19:00:00] | Tommck: | what's that have to do with GB? |
| [19:00:00] | EL_Whistey: | they've coopted the term. |
| [19:00:00] | Tommck: | what? |
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| [19:01:00] | xris: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix |
| [19:01:00] | EL_Whistey: | mis-, or re-appropriated it. |
| [19:01:00] | Tommck: | it's friggin etymology... it's GREEK, not French |
| [19:01:00] | xris: | binary prefix vs metric prefix. |
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| [19:02:00] | EL_Whistey: | Tommck, yes. And? The french decided to use greek prefixes for multiples of 10, and latin for multiples of 10^-1. |
| [19:03:00] | EL_Whistey: | And IIRC, it was at Napoleon's instigation. |
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| [19:03:00] | EL_Whistey: | Anyway, I refuse to use mib for Mb. |
| [19:04:00] | Tommck: | and... MEGA = 1,000,000 |
| [19:04:00] | Tommck: | regardless of how it was perverted in computer terms |
| [19:04:00] | EL_Whistey: | Mega = 1E6 in SI. |
| [19:04:00] | EL_Whistey: | Sorry, ==, not = |
| [19:04:00] | xris: | brb |
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| [19:04:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: cards arrive yet? |
| [19:04:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, nopers. |
| [19:05:00] | CyberKnet: | They're on the vehicle for delivery. |
| [19:05:00] | Tommck: | From Wikipedia: "megabit Mbit 106 (or 220)" |
| [19:05:00] | EL_Whistey: | So what? Wikipedia isn't the last word. I've a friend who's a contributor, like me to SMS him and get it changed? |
| [19:05:00] | Tommck: | but EL_Whistey, "Mega", means "million", regardless of how it's perverted by "SI" or Napolean |
| [19:06:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, yeah, I saw, I hope they get here |
| [19:06:00] | EL_Whistey: | Tommck, it means "million" to an ancient greek speaker, sure. |
| [19:06:00] | Tommck: | I'm talking about LINQUISTICALLY |
| [19:06:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: how will you be able to continue working once you get them? =P" |
| [19:06:00] | GotD0t: | so the question is... how do you pronounce gibibyte? |
| [19:06:00] | EL_Whistey: | Tommck, your LINQUISTICS are BARABAROUS |
| [19:06:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, same way I do it now, I just type type type and how the code works :P |
| [19:07:00] | Tommck: | and it meant "million" until people perverted the meaning for computers. |
| [19:07:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: lol |
| [19:07:00] | Tommck: | barbarous? you're funny. |
| [19:07:00] | EL_Whistey: | Tommck, and cretin meant christian, until it was 'perverted'. Languages change. |
| [19:07:00] | Tommck: | brb |
| [19:07:00] | EL_Whistey: | Barbarous. I use the word advisedly. |
| [19:08:00] | EL_Whistey: | sorry, Barbarous. :) |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | EL_Whistey: it's *linguistics* |
| [19:09:00] | EL_Whistey: | as in 'barbarian', what the greeks used to call people who couldn't speak greek clearly. |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | if you are gonna nit-pick, at least don't make mistakes |
| [19:09:00] | EL_Whistey: | Beirdo, yeah, I know. |
| [19:09:00] | EL_Whistey: | Beirdo, do you have scrollback? |
| [19:10:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – I spelled it wrong first |
| [19:10:00] | EL_Whistey: | you spelled it phonetically, it made sense to me. |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, and he nitpicked, and made several mistakes :) |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:10:00] | EL_Whistey: | No I didn't. |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | you left his typo |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | and added your own ;) |
| [19:11:00] | EL_Whistey: | I left his typo to make a point. |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [19:12:00] | GotD0t: | how do you pronounce mibibyte and the like? |
| [19:12:00] | GotD0t: | thats the real question |
| [19:12:00] | EL_Whistey: | sorry, Beirdo, which word did I misspell? |
| [19:12:00] | GotD0t: | megabyte is so much easier to say |
| [19:12:00] | laga: | EL_Whistey: that's what the latin guys said, not the greek ;) |
| [19:12:00] | EL_Whistey: | Iaga, nope. |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | Barabarous.... |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | you must be blind |
| [19:12:00] | Tommck: | "megs" ;) |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [19:12:00] | EL_Whistey: | Oh yeah. Sorry. |
| [19:13:00] | laga: | EL_Whistey: we were both right ;) |
| [19:13:00] | laga: | EL_Whistey: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=barbarian |
| [19:13:00] | laga: | EL_Whistey: dude, and the best nick ever is spelled with an L |
| [19:14:00] | EL_Whistey: | http://snipurl.com/g6e2 |
| [19:14:00] | laga: | as in 'lower case' |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | blaga |
| [19:14:00] | EL_Whistey: | Oh, sorry, I thought you were playing Iago :) |
| [19:14:00] | ** laga slaps beirdo ** | |
| [19:14:00] | EL_Whistey: | meanwhile my tv stutters in the background. |
| [19:14:00] | laga: | oh, your nick reminds me – gotta run and have a few beers. cya. |
| [19:15:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [19:16:00] | t0t3r: | Just installed a Sykstar2 DVB-S ... how can i test if it works correctly |
| [19:17:00] | Tommck: | So, I'm guessing that a MegaTon of explosives is 1048576 tons of explosives |
| [19:17:00] | t0t3r: | i can run femon ... and it says that hes using frontend0 |
| [19:17:00] | Tommck: | of TNT, that is |
| [19:17:00] | Tommck: | ;) |
| [19:18:00] | EL_Whistey: | Tommck, look. The use of 10 makes sense because we have 10 fingers. The use of 12 makes sense because you can divide it up so many ways. |
| [19:18:00] | Tommck: | because Napolean redefined what "Mega" means, I guess NASA is wrong |
| [19:18:00] | Tommck: | the Mesopatamians (sp?) used base-12 arithmetic |
| [19:18:00] | EL_Whistey: | The use of base 2 makes sense because if you want to know how many bits you need to represent a given address, it is the log2 of the numbers. |
| [19:18:00] | Tommck: | so, it's not always because of our fingers |
| [19:18:00] | EL_Whistey: | Nasa wrong? Stop the press. |
| [19:18:00] | t0t3r: | fukcin bots |
| [19:18:00] | Tommck: | EL_Whistey – I am perfectly aware of why it is 1024 |
| [19:18:00] | Tommck: | I have a degree in Computer Science.. |
| [19:19:00] | EL_Whistey: | uh. How exciting for you :) |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | t0t3r: what's your problem? |
| [19:19:00] | Tommck: | I just disagree that "Mega" now means 1024x1024.. and somehow Napolean new about binary math and decided that "Mega" now means 1048576 |
| [19:20:00] | EL_Whistey: | Imagine if NASA were wrong. Things would drop out of the sky. No. Wait ... |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:20:00] | Tommck: | EL_Whistey – you're just scrambling to win the argument now. |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | mars probes might not work... oh.. wait |
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| [19:20:00] | EL_Whistey: | Mega meant 1024x1024 when applied to bytes. Always has, always will. |
| [19:20:00] | Tommck: | bottom line is "mega" = "1000000" |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | blah blah blah |
| [19:20:00] | Tommck: | there you go... when you qualify it that way, you are correct |
| [19:20:00] | EL_Whistey: | Tommck, actually, I was merely pointing out your argumentum ad veritae is bs. |
| [19:20:00] | EL_Whistey: | That's metric bs. |
| [19:20:00] | Tommck: | but don't tell me Napolean defined it that way |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | take it to /msg, you guys are having a pointless argument that google is spidering |
| [19:21:00] | ** EL_Whistey nods. ** | |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | you'll look like fools forever ;) |
| [19:21:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – I agree |
| [19:21:00] | Tommck: | xris – you still there? |
| [19:21:00] | EL_Whistey: | No change there then. |
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| [19:22:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – I've got lotsa old Usenet postings in google too :) |
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| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | so do I :) |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:22:00] | Tommck: | hey xris... you must be psychic |
| [19:22:00] | xris: | oh? |
| [19:22:00] | Tommck: | I just asked for you |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | some that make me wonder what the hell I was on |
| [19:22:00] | xris: | heh. |
| [19:22:00] | Tommck: | if I'm recording at 720x480, should I tell Myth to use 16x9 aspect ratio? |
| [19:22:00] | xris: | well, finished my coffee upstairs, had to come back and pretend to work. |
| [19:22:00] | xris: | not if the signal is 4:3 |
| [19:23:00] | EL_Whistey: | Ok, so where does mythtv get its arguments to the Xv call that creates the shared memory images? |
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| [19:23:00] | Tommck: | right.. ok.. that's what I though.. |
| [19:23:00] | Tommck: | and, I can crank up the bitrate and it should make the recordings look better (albeit bigger), right? |
| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | that's the theory |
| [19:24:00] | Tommck: | or is there an ivtv limitaiton? |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | it will never look better than the recording you are transcoding from |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | there are limitations of course |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | you will need to play |
| [19:24:00] | Tommck: | hehe |
| [19:24:00] | Tommck: | guess it all depends on the source material too |
| [19:24:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
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| [19:25:00] | Tommck: | oh.. so there's "bitrate" and "max bitrate".. does it fluctuate during recording? |
| [19:27:00] | t0t3r: | when i run femon i got no lock! |
| [19:27:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, some |
| [19:27:00] | xris: | Tommck: yes, it records in VBR mode |
| [19:27:00] | Tommck: | cool. |
| [19:28:00] | t0t3r: | dont really kno whats wrong |
| [19:28:00] | xris: | Tommck: and "yes' to the others — higher bitrate means better quality but larger files... but it all depends on your source quality. |
| [19:28:00] | xris: | high static (ie. analog cable) will produce crappy recordings |
| [19:28:00] | Tommck: | xris – s-video off of DirecTV |
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| [19:32:00] | xris: | Tommck: I record at like 4000–9000kbps (I think) |
| [19:32:00] | xris: | from Dish via svideo. |
| [19:32:00] | xris: | files are about 1.3G per half-hour |
| [19:32:00] | Tommck: | interesting... the default was 4500–6000 |
| [19:32:00] | ** Beirdo listens to some Santana ** | |
| [19:32:00] | Tommck: | you think I should keep the bottom end low and crank up the top end? |
| [19:33:00] | xris: | Tommck: trying to find my settings, forget what table they're in. |
| [19:33:00] | Tommck: | cool |
| [19:35:00] | Tommck: | anyone else record anything on BBC America and think there signal sucks ass? |
| [19:35:00] | Tommck: | their |
| [19:35:00] | xris: | 4500–6000, 5000–7000, 5000–9000 |
| [19:36:00] | ** Tommck slaps himself for srewing up the The[y're|ir|ere] ** | |
| [19:36:00] | Tommck: | cool |
| [19:36:00] | xris: | that's: low, livetv+default, high |
| [19:36:00] | Tommck: | cool |
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| [19:36:00] | xris: | most stuff I record at high. |
| [19:36:00] | fatmatt: | any idea how I can get mythgallery to put thumbnaails in subdirectories? |
| [19:37:00] | xris: | it's probably higher than necessary, but since I archive stuff soon after recording, it doesn't matter. |
| [19:37:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [19:37:00] | beavis: | fatmatt: ?? |
| [19:37:00] | Tommck: | thanks for the info |
| [19:38:00] | beavis: | fatmatt: with latest builds you can put tn in your ~ |
| [19:38:00] | fatmatt: | beavis: I've got thumbnails only for the top level dir, beneath that, no thumbs, just little boxes |
| [19:39:00] | Tommck: | sounds painful |
| [19:39:00] | EL_Whistey: | Ok. Turns out there's a bug in nvidia driver. |
| [19:40:00] | fatmatt: | beavis: so I'd put say ~/pictures/subdir/pic.jpg ? |
| [19:40:00] | Tommck: | anyone else experiencing zero-length recordings in pcHDTV recordings? |
| [19:40:00] | EL_Whistey: | I don't know what it is, except that I get a kind of sporadic lockup immediately after playing live tv when Xv is enabled. |
| [19:40:00] | EL_Whistey: | I have filed a report with nvidia (for all the good that'll do.) |
| [19:41:00] | fatmatt: | beavis: I've got ~/pictures/.... symlinked |
| [19:41:00] | EL_Whistey: | Its symptoms ar e cryptic kernel error messages |
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| [19:42:00] | beavis: | fatmatt: ~/.mythtv/MythGallery/YourDir1/YourDir2 |
| [19:42:00] | kormoc: | EL_Whistey, explain more? |
| [19:42:00] | beavis: | fatmatt: it's great that mythgallery doesn't touch the pix dir now. You even can mount it readonly |
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| [19:43:00] | fatmatt: | beavis: where does it keep the thumbs? |
| [19:43:00] | EL_Whistey: | kormoc, sure. Let me get you some references first |
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| [19:43:00] | kormoc: | fatmatt, <beavis> fatmatt: ~/.mythtv/MythGallery/YourDir1/YourDir2 |
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| [19:44:00] | fatmatt: | hmm, I don't have that directory |
| [19:44:00] | beavis: | fatmatt: so you don't use latest svn builds ;) |
| [19:44:00] | beavis: | fatmatt: ~/.mythtv/MythGallery/1990er/.thumbcache |
| [19:44:00] | fatmatt: | I've got the latest debian packages from mdz |
| [19:45:00] | beavis: | 0.18.2 then |
| [19:47:00] | fatmatt: | bugger, I'm still running 0.18.1 |
| [19:47:00] | fatmatt: | np, I'll catch up eventually |
| [19:50:00] | beavis: | fatmatt: so it doesn't show any tn for pix from subdirs? |
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| [19:51:00] | fatmatt: | not on my machine beavis |
| [19:51:00] | beavis: | i have a quite deep structure here and it works for every dir |
| [19:51:00] | fatmatt: | its got the 1st pic in the subdir as the thumb for the subdir, but within the subdir, no thums |
| [19:51:00] | fatmatt: | maybe its me |
| [19:52:00] | beavis: | look at your frontend output |
| [19:52:00] | fatmatt: | what version of mythgallery do you use beavis? |
| [19:52:00] | beavis: | from yesterday |
| [19:52:00] | fatmatt: | whats the command for verbose on mythfrontend? |
| [19:52:00] | beavis: | but it has always worked |
| [19:52:00] | fatmatt: | -v stopped working for me |
| [19:52:00] | beavis: | mythfrontend -v all |
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| [19:55:00] | EL_Whistey: | kormoc, sorry, I can't find the mythtv postings on this subject which mirror my experiences. A guy called Neil, I think |
| [19:56:00] | kormoc: | EL_Whistey, well, what's the bug? |
| [19:56:00] | EL_Whistey: | Anyway: when going to livetv with Xv enabled, the machine goes into like a stuttering hang. |
| [19:56:00] | kormoc: | intresting. |
| [19:56:00] | EL_Whistey: | The CPU utilization goes way up, causing the audio to be lost. |
| [19:56:00] | EL_Whistey: | It's correlated with a kernel message. |
| [19:56:00] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [19:56:00] | EL_Whistey: | If I run with NO_XV=1, the problem doesn't occur. |
| [19:57:00] | kormoc: | what's the kernel message? |
| [19:57:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yes, a cryptic nvidia kernel message. No idea what it means: Jul 12 03:17:03 localhost kernel: [4294730.712000] NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x8 |
| [19:57:00] | EL_Whistey: | 6 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0–7667 Fri Jun 17 07:01:04 PDT 2005 |
| [19:57:00] | EL_Whistey: | Jul 12 03:26:55 localhost kernel: [4295322.087000] NVRM: Xid: 8, Channel 0000000 |
| [19:57:00] | EL_Whistey: | 0 |
| [19:57:00] | EL_Whistey: | Jul 12 03:27:08 localhost kernel: [4295335.835000] NVRM: Xid: 8, Channel 0000000 |
| [19:57:00] | EL_Whistey: | 0 |
| [19:57:00] | EL_Whistey: | Jul 12 03:27:22 localhost kernel: [4295349.572000] NVRM: Xid: 8, Channel 0000000 |
| [19:57:00] | EL_Whistey: | 0 |
| [19:57:00] | ** Beirdo slaps EL_Whistey ** | |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | no pasting... use pastebin.ca |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | or .com |
| [19:58:00] | EL_Whistey: | ok. Sorry |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | or something |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | flooding is bad, mmkay? :) |
| [19:58:00] | xris: | Beirdo: I was very confused just now.. I read "no pasta..." |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [19:59:00] | EL_Whistey: | no pasta either! |
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| [20:00:00] | ziv2: | hi |
| [20:00:00] | ziv2: | where is the mythtv tutorial for gentoo? |
| [20:00:00] | EL_Whistey: | http://snipurl.com/g6fu |
| [20:01:00] | EL_Whistey: | Oh, sorry ziv2, that's not it. |
| [20:01:00] | ziv2: | :/ |
| [20:01:00] | ** xris wonders when j-rod will get back ** | |
| [20:02:00] | kormoc: | EL_Whistey, what's the videocard and mobo chipset? do you have fastwrites or SBA enabled? |
| [20:02:00] | kormoc: | ziv2, google knows. |
| [20:02:00] | kormoc: | EL_Whistey, nvage or agpgart? |
| [20:02:00] | EL_Whistey: | pci-e |
| [20:02:00] | xris: | brb |
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| [20:03:00] | kormoc: | EL_Whistey, that error message usually indicates a bus transport problem. |
| [20:03:00] | EL_Whistey: | Is it a standard non-nvidia kind of error? |
| [20:03:00] | EL_Whistey: | or it's a standard nvidia error :) |
| [20:04:00] | kormoc: | it's a standard nvidia bus issue error :P |
| [20:04:00] | EL_Whistey: | MSI nvidia geforce 6600GT Diamond 128Mb PCI-E |
| [20:05:00] | kormoc: | it could just be flaky pci-e drivers in the kernel, what kernel version are you using? |
| [20:05:00] | EL_Whistey: | ASUS P5GDC with a err ... a lot of Intel 915 stuff. |
| [20:06:00] | EL_Whistey: | 2.6.12–2 |
| [20:06:00] | ** kormoc seems to recall that 2.6.13-r1 had pci-e fixes. ** | |
| [20:06:00] | EL_Whistey: | Aha! That's a good lead! |
| [20:06:00] | kormoc: | might wanna update to 2.6.13-r2 and see what happens. |
| [20:07:00] | EL_Whistey: | For sure. |
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| [20:07:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v xris | |
| [20:07:00] | EL_Whistey: | kormoc, thanks, that's the best news I've heard all night :) |
| [20:07:00] | kormoc: | it might not help at all, but it's worth a shot imho :) |
| [20:08:00] | EL_Whistey: | Andrew Morton's a good friend of mine, so if it doesn't, I'll ask for help. |
| [20:09:00] | EL_Whistey: | There's another person suffering from this, too. Identical problem description, but no kernel feedback. |
| [20:09:00] | EL_Whistey: | I'll try to feed it back to him when I track him down. |
| [20:09:00] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
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| [20:28:00] | EL_Whistey: | Wow. Nvidia back already!! |
| [20:30:00] | fatmatt: | ? |
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| [20:31:00] | kormoc: | EL_Whistey, what'd they say? |
| [20:31:00] | EL_Whistey: | Want more info – to reproduce it I presume |
| [20:31:00] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [20:31:00] | EL_Whistey: | Asking for specific application steps. Which, under mythtv could take a while :) |
| [20:31:00] | EL_Whistey: | I'm seeing if I can reproduce it with mplayer |
| [20:31:00] | kormoc: | it should do it in mplayer with -vo xv... yeah |
| [20:32:00] | EL_Whistey: | bleah, where do we store dvd recordings? |
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| [20:35:00] | EL_Whistey: | Bingo |
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| [20:40:00] | EL_Whistey: | It's 4:40 am here, but if they're going to get back so fast, I'm going to stay up a bit longer to help them help me. |
| [20:41:00] | stoffel: | 4;40? ouch |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | another Aussie.. :) |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: you greet your countrymate. |
| [20:42:00] | EL_Whistey: | If CyberKnet's still awake he's probably in Perth. |
| [20:43:00] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [20:43:00] | EL_Whistey: | or he's got an nvidia card :) |
| [20:43:00] | Beirdo: | he's in the USA... silly ex-patriate |
| [20:43:00] | ** Beirdo is a Canadian... ** | |
| [20:43:00] | fatmatt: | hmm mysql.log 1.1GB |
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| [20:44:00] | fatmatt: | fatmatt is an Aussie |
| [20:44:00] | fatmatt: | oi oi oi |
| [20:44:00] | EL_Whistey: | Heh. You've gotta be in Perth then. |
| [20:44:00] | fatmatt: | no, Victoria, sort of |
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| [20:45:00] | fatmatt: | nightshoft |
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| [20:45:00] | EL_Whistey: | I'm guessing Albury/Woodonga then. Must be v.b.cold there. |
| [20:46:00] | EL_Whistey: | I'm in Sydney |
| [20:46:00] | EL_Whistey: | It's v.b.cold here. |
| [20:46:00] | fatmatt: | nope, oil rig in Bass strait |
| [20:46:00] | EL_Whistey: | Woah. |
| [20:46:00] | fatmatt: | you think its cold in Sydney, I wish it was only that cold here |
| [20:47:00] | EL_Whistey: | I'll bet. Roaring 40s, antarctic conditions. |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | we're being overrun with Aussies |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | a good problem to have |
| [20:47:00] | EL_Whistey: | I say cold, but unlike Beirdo I don't risk hypothermia just going to get the mail out of the box. |
| [20:48:00] | ** fatmatt gets another shrimp ** | |
| [20:48:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [20:48:00] | Beirdo: | it's not cold right now |
| [20:48:00] | Beirdo: | it's summer here |
| [20:48:00] | Beirdo: | 82F, 78% humidity |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | and that's at the waterfront |
| [20:49:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yeah, yeah. Not for long. After solstice we get it back, and this time we're not giving it back!! |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | Ah, I can't read |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | 62% humidity |
| [20:49:00] | fatmatt: | whats that in Celsuis |
| [20:49:00] | stoffel: | less |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | and 93F, 41% at the airport |
| [20:50:00] | EL_Whistey: | google has a conversion facility |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | (82 – 32) / 1.8 |
| [20:50:00] | beavis: | F-32/2 – 10% |
| [20:50:00] | fatmatt: | luxury |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | mine's more accurate ;) |
| [20:50:00] | beavis: | nope, exactly the same way |
| [20:50:00] | epoch: | it's 32C here in Ottawa |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | same number, but more accurate of an equation |
| [20:50:00] | epoch: | 38C with humidex ;/ |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | 27C downtown (without humidex) |
| [20:51:00] | beavis: | mine's easier to handle when you don't have a calculator ;) |
| [20:51:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: in toronto!? |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | almost 28. and 34C at the airport |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:51:00] | epoch: | weird |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | the 28 is at the island airport |
| [20:51:00] | stoffel: | beavis: you've got an 64bit 2.2GHz calculator in front of you |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | which is right out IN the lake :) |
| [20:52:00] | beavis: | 92F-32=60;60/2=30;30–10%=27°C |
| [20:52:00] | Beirdo: | it's nice and relatively sauna-like |
| [20:52:00] | Beirdo: | umm |
| [20:52:00] | Beirdo: | and 92F != 27C |
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| [20:52:00] | stoffel: | luckily this isn't a video chat |
| [20:53:00] | Beirdo: | it's 33C |
| [20:53:00] | beavis: | hmm |
| [20:53:00] | beavis: | so where's my mistake? |
| [20:53:00] | Beirdo: | you are doing... |
| [20:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | F = ((c*9)/5) + 32 |
| [20:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | c = ((f-32)*5)/9 |
| [20:54:00] | Beirdo: | ((x – 32) /2 ) * .8 |
| [20:54:00] | beavis: | oh, it's plus 10% |
| [20:54:00] | Beirdo: | Gotta love straight linear conversions :) |
| [20:54:00] | EL_Whistey: | at least SI based theirs on the temperature of fresh water instead of seawater |
| [20:55:00] | beavis: | it's approx. (F-30)/2 |
| [20:55:00] | Beirdo: | and got it wrong anyways |
| [20:55:00] | EL_Whistey: | is it? |
| [20:55:00] | Beirdo: | they had to adjust it at some point |
| [20:55:00] | Beirdo: | but 0 for freezing, 100 for boiling (at sea level) is so easy to remember |
| [20:56:00] | EL_Whistey: | Yeah, it's very useful. |
| [20:56:00] | Beirdo: | a bit easier than 32, 212 |
| [20:56:00] | CyberKnet: | yep. |
| [20:56:00] | Beirdo: | but I know both systems anyways |
| [20:57:00] | CyberKnet: | although the times when you need to know that information are few and far between. |
| [20:57:00] | Beirdo: | being a Canadian with metric-adverse parents will do that to ya |
| [20:57:00] | CyberKnet: | well, the boiling end, at any rate. |
| [20:57:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [20:57:00] | Beirdo: | and -40 is a magic number |
| [20:57:00] | CyberKnet: | Yes. it has a magic wand in front of it. |
| [20:57:00] | CyberKnet: | magic-wand 40 |
| [20:57:00] | Beirdo: | -40C = -40F |
| [20:58:00] | Beirdo: | which also = DAMNED cold! |
| [20:58:00] | CyberKnet: | yes. |
| [20:58:00] | CyberKnet: | very very. |
| [20:58:00] | Beirdo: | and not the coldest I've had the joy of being in |
| [20:58:00] | Beirdo: | but close to it |
| [20:58:00] | Beirdo: | -45C |
| [20:58:00] | CyberKnet: | Thank $DEITY it doesn't get below 0F here most of the time. |
| [20:58:00] | Beirdo: | the balls fell off the brass monkey way before that |
| [20:59:00] | EL_Whistey: | 1 furlong per fortnight is approximately 1 cm per minute. |
| [20:59:00] | EL_Whistey: | to two decimal places. |
| [20:59:00] | CyberKnet: | EL_Whistey: don't make me get into rods and hogsheads. |
| [21:00:00] | Beirdo: | you leave my laptop outta this |
| [21:00:00] | EL_Whistey: | google calculator doesn't do hogsheads |
| [21:01:00] | EL_Whistey: | nor roods |
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| [21:03:00] | CyberKnet: | EL_Whistey: no, it doesn't. |
| [21:03:00] | EL_Whistey: | Well, nvidia haven't come back, so I guess they're having to work on it. |
| [21:03:00] | EL_Whistey: | ZZZ |
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| [21:07:00] | fatmatt: | or its coffe time |
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| [21:24:00] | MrSkids: | Anyone know the best way to get mythtv-frontend (just need frontend) onto ubuntu? I can't find anything for the 18.1. I found one site but has the ol dependency hell... |
| [21:25:00] | stoffel: | the .debs don't work? |
| [21:26:00] | MrSkids: | not by themselves. I get stuck with way too many dependencies that I can't find |
| [21:26:00] | MrSkids: | i've found some, but there are others that I can't find anywhere. |
| [21:26:00] | stoffel: | then utsl |
| [21:26:00] | Chutt: | everything you need's either in universe or multiverse. |
| [21:27:00] | MrSkids: | I found an old version in multiverse but I think it was just .15, not .18 |
| [21:28:00] | MrSkids: | main ones I am having problems finding so far is libc6 >= 2.32.ds1.21 Highest I have found is 17 i think |
| [21:29:00] | MrSkids: | Someone said that mythv .18 was in backports, but it was removed. |
| [21:30:00] | Chutt: | so just compile it |
| [21:31:00] | MrSkids: | Yeah looks like I'm gonna have to. |
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| [21:31:00] | Chutt: | could be mostly done by now |
| [21:31:00] | MrSkids: | have you guys (that use ubuntu) found that there are a lot of md5sum errors lately when installing? I am finding it alot |
| [21:32:00] | MrSkids: | Just trying to get qt3-dev is erroring on alot of pacakages |
| [21:32:00] | Chutt: | nope |
| [21:32:00] | Chutt: | none. |
| [21:33:00] | MrSkids: | hmm. I'm using the default ones from kubuntu. I will just try another mirror I gues |
| [21:33:00] | MrSkids: | Thanks for your help chutt. One more question... qmake is in the qt3-dev packages right? |
| [21:35:00] | beavis: | Chutt: I'm the one with "Two new crashes". What's valigrind? |
| [21:35:00] | Chutt: | valgrind. |
| [21:36:00] | Chutt: | google it. |
| [21:36:00] | Chutt: | their dev version in their svn tree has support for amd64 |
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| [21:37:00] | Tomicles: | is it possible to configure the myth to underscan on my monitor? |
| [21:37:00] | Chutt: | appearance settings. |
| [21:38:00] | dh1: | so i downloaded the exe firmware from http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=FirmwareVersions. what do i do with it to make it useable? |
| [21:38:00] | beavis: | Chutt: hmm, strange that there's nothing obviously wrong. I switched to gcc-4.0 last week. could it be a gcc issue? |
| [21:38:00] | Chutt: | doubt it. |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | dh1: I'm sure the same site will tell you |
| [21:38:00] | Chutt: | stop wasting time and use valgrind. |
| [21:39:00] | Beirdo: | valgrind is a great tool |
| [21:39:00] | Chutt: | do a distclean first, to make sure you haven't fucked anything else up |
| [21:39:00] | roman__: | I am wanting to use mythtv as a way to display my divx movies and music through my tv. At the moment I have it installed on one computer (which I will connect to the tv). I want to use a different computer as the backend. Do I just install the normal mythtv install for the back end? If so do I need to compile all the lame stuff and zap2it etc? I have no tv card in either machines. |
| [21:40:00] | Chutt: | beavis, the code where it crashed hasn't changed in years, literally. |
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| [21:41:00] | beavis: | are both crashes caused by the same thing? |
| [21:41:00] | Chutt: | did you even look at the backtraces? |
| [21:41:00] | Chutt: | they're identical. |
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| [21:45:00] | beavis: | hm, ok. thank you. /me is recompiling |
| [21:46:00] | Chutt: | make sure you clear ccache if you're using it |
| [21:46:00] | beavis: | good idea. it's probably using the gcc-3.3 objects... |
| [21:46:00] | Chutt: | very well could be |
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| [21:47:00] | roman__: | I am having trouble compiling mythtv, could some one take a look at my configure output and maybe point me in the right direction. http://pastebin.ca/17471 |
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| [21:49:00] | Chutt: | roman__, you didn't include a single error in ther |
| [21:49:00] | Chutt: | there. |
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| [21:50:00] | roman__: | at the top: /tmp/ffmpeg-conf-30106-7456–19348.c:1:21: altivec.h: No such file or directory |
| [21:50:00] | Chutt: | why on earth do you think that's an error? |
| [21:51:00] | roman__: | because it can't find the file?? Is that ok is it? |
| [21:51:00] | Chutt: | of course it is |
| [21:51:00] | Chutt: | configure would have failed if it was |
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| [21:52:00] | roman__: | ok no problem |
| [21:52:00] | tuxristo: | xris, did you happen to have a minute to look at the refresh-less mythweb program delete code i sent you? |
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| [22:00:00] | tuxristo: | i wanted the xmlhttprequest stuff to be as simple as possible, and that resulted in a lot of page rewriting with javascript in the theme file; the alternative would be to change page delete into a function that returns the new disk usage and the new dropdown menus as XML, this way the translations would work without any hacks, and functions like nice_size would not have to get reimplemented in javascript; just wanted to get s |
| [22:00:00] | tuxristo: | ome input b4 i did anything else. |
| [22:00:00] | dh1: | i am running ubuntu. i installed the ivtv driver and installed the firmware. however when i modprobe ivtv it says ivtv wasnt found. what should i do? |
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| [22:05:00] | dh1: | nvm. i figured it out. depmod hadnt been run |
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| [22:10:00] | GeeKman: | hello |
| [22:10:00] | bob832: | how can one tell if a universal remote is RC-5 compatible so it can be used with PVR-350? |
| [22:11:00] | bob832: | hello GeeKman |
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| [22:11:00] | roman__: | are there any rpms available for suse to install mythtv? |
| [22:11:00] | xris: | tuxristo: nope, just filed it into my todo folder |
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| [22:14:00] | hadees: | bob832, um what? |
| [22:14:00] | laga: | roman__: yes. |
| [22:14:00] | hadees: | bob832, a learning remote should work for sure |
| [22:15:00] | hadees: | i think the pvr-350 can only use it's own remote but there is a simple way to find out |
| [22:15:00] | tuxristo: | :) lemme know whenever you have time then , you have may email right? i don't mind working on it some more, ttyl |
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| [22:15:00] | bob832: | i was reading on the mailing list about how you can use a universal remote with the pvr-350 as long as its RC-5 (i think thats the one) compatilble |
| [22:16:00] | hadees: | bob832, here simply set up lirc and run irrecord |
| [22:16:00] | hadees: | then when you tap the buttons on the remote you should get some sort of a response if it works |
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| [22:17:00] | mtgeekman: | besides calling my cable provider(they say they dont know...) is there an easy way to find what channel freq table is used? |
| [22:17:00] | bob832: | oh ok, that might be easier |
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| [22:22:00] | xris: | tuxristo: yeah, got the email, as long as your return address is correct |
| [22:23:00] | beavis: | hmm is gcc-4.0 really so much faster. It compiles myth in 12mins now (instead of 22 with gcc-3.3) on my amd64–3000+ |
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| [22:32:00] | chrisjs: | is there an option to have myth automatically change input sources in live tv or the program guide? I have a pvr-500 and a firewire input, do I have to manually choose the tuner first, then choose a channel from that source? |
| [22:33:00] | chrisjs: | recording works fine, but if I'm watching live tv on a pvr-500 tuner I'd like to be able to directly switch to a channel off the firewire connection |
| [22:33:00] | laga: | that doesnt work. |
| [22:35:00] | Mrgoose: | are there any mini-itx boards strong enough to be a frontend? |
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| [22:39:00] | mtgeekman: | testing? |
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| [22:39:00] | mtgeekman: | (some times lose connection to irc ) |
| [22:39:00] | Mrgoose: | power ful enough |
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| [22:43:00] | PoonJ: | how does the PVR-500 compare to the PVR-150 other than the dual input? |
| [22:43:00] | Tommck: | PoonJ – they're basically the same |
| [22:43:00] | kormoc: | the 500 shows up as two 150s |
| [22:45:00] | dh1: | i am not very familiar with apt. i get this error for a package. wtf. mythtv-backend: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1–21) but 2.3.2.ds1–20ubuntu13 is to be installed |
| [22:46:00] | CyberKnet: | PoonJ: One less external split in your coax. |
| [22:46:00] | dh1: | why should that matter. its the same version |
| [22:46:00] | ** kormoc shrugs at dh1. ** | |
| [22:46:00] | kormoc: | dh1, you should likly ask in a ubuntu channel |
| [22:46:00] | Tommck: | dh1 – isn't that 1–21 versus 1–20? |
| [22:46:00] | dh1: | oh, good call |
| [22:47:00] | dh1: | shit |
| [22:47:00] | kormoc: | Tommck, major version numbers are the same, those are 'build |
| [22:47:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [22:47:00] | Mrgoose: | anyone using mini-itx as a mythtv frontend? |
| [22:47:00] | kormoc: | ' numbers and likly meaningless |
| [22:47:00] | Tommck: | kormoc – oh.. right |
| [22:47:00] | dh1: | i am on ubuntu. and i was trying to install from a package using their debian instructions |
| [22:47:00] | Tommck: | Mrgoose – I'm sure... isn't it just a different motherboard? the tech is the same, n'est-ce pas? |
| [22:47:00] | CyberKnet: | Mrgoose: likely someone is. |
| [22:47:00] | Mrgoose: | they aren't always as powreful |
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| [22:48:00] | Tommck: | Mrgoose – how? |
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| [22:48:00] | kormoc: | Mrgoose, you could do some research on it. |
| [22:48:00] | CyberKnet: | Tommck: it's a motherboard spec, but widely when people refer to mini-itx they are referring specifically to the Via EPIA platform. |
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| [22:48:00] | Mrgoose: | kormoc: what case are you using? |
| [22:48:00] | CyberKnet: | Tommck: but yes, in a perfect world he would know that the standard is performance agnostic. |
| [22:48:00] | Tommck: | CyberKnet – oh.. I was just thinking of mini-itx |
| [22:48:00] | t0t3r: | someone has experience with hdtv over satelite? |
| [22:48:00] | kormoc: | Mrgoose, my lian-li pc-61. |
| [22:48:00] | t0t3r: | theres a demo channel on astra .... |
| [22:49:00] | Mrgoose: | oh i need something pretty to put in my entertainment stand |
| [22:49:00] | t0t3r: | but mythtv is skipping it on searchi the transports |
| [22:49:00] | Tommck: | Mrgoose – try a woman? |
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| [22:49:00] | kormoc: | Mrgoose, are you saying my case ain't pretty? :P |
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| [22:51:00] | Beirdo: | Tommck: I think a woman would be better off being put in a bed, no? |
| [22:51:00] | CyberKnet: | Mrgoose: Try searching google, and if you really must look at a website given to you by someone, try the following: http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/20050614/index.html |
| [22:51:00] | CyberKnet: | Mrgoose: but really, we can't help you choose a case. |
| [22:51:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: I concur. |
| [22:51:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:52:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – what ever floats your boat :) |
| [22:52:00] | CyberKnet: | I hate to hand out tomshardware links. |
| [22:52:00] | CyberKnet: | :| |
| [22:52:00] | Beirdo: | or at least a futon... you might break the entertainment stand |
| [22:52:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – just have to be careful |
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| [22:52:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v o_cee | |
| [22:52:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:52:00] | Beirdo: | heya, o_cee.. long time no see |
| [22:52:00] | stoffel: | o_cee: hey |
| [22:52:00] | o_cee: | hey, been internet-less |
| [22:52:00] | o_cee: | :) |
| [22:53:00] | Beirdo: | it happens. |
| [22:53:00] | CyberKnet: | o_cee: aah, that bites. |
| [22:53:00] | Beirdo: | welcome back |
| [22:53:00] | o_cee: | thanks |
| [22:53:00] | CyberKnet: | o_cee: internet back for good? |
| [22:53:00] | Mrgoose: | CyberKnet: well im lookin into epia boards as frontends now. If they work then i already have a case for it |
| [22:53:00] | o_cee: | CyberKnet, yeah well i hope so ;) |
| [22:54:00] | CyberKnet: | Mrgoose: then what is with all the case questions? |
| [22:55:00] | Tommck: | anyone ever tried putting butloads of sound cards in one machine? |
| [22:55:00] | Beirdo: | define buttloads |
| [22:55:00] | Tommck: | 5 or 6? |
| [22:55:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: three imperial assworths |
| [22:55:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:55:00] | Tommck: | CyberKnet – lol |
| [22:55:00] | Beirdo: | I've had 3 in before |
| [22:56:00] | Tommck: | I have 2 right now, but was thinking about more (For a whole-house audio system I have) |
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| [22:57:00] | Beirdo: | well, sounds like a fun adventure |
| [22:57:00] | Tommck: | I'm just tossing ideas around... |
| [22:57:00] | Tommck: | better than tossing salads, I always say |
| [22:57:00] | Beirdo: | or tossing your cookies |
| [22:58:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [22:59:00] | Beirdo: | I've had about enough geek-toys for a while |
| [22:59:00] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [22:59:00] | ** Tommck pulls out his Bible to exorcise the demons from Beirdo ** | |
| [22:59:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:59:00] | ** Tommck : "DEMONS OUT!" ** | |
| [22:59:00] | Beirdo: | toy budget became travel budget |
| [23:00:00] | Tommck: | hehe |
| [23:00:00] | Beirdo: | travel mucho expensive |
| [23:00:00] | Tommck: | yes it is |
| [23:00:00] | Beirdo: | but is enjoyable |
| [23:01:00] | Tommck: | hehe.. an article on BoingBoing talks about running your keyboard through the dishwasher to clean it |
| [23:01:00] | Beirdo: | oh, that reminds me... do dishes when you get home... |
| [23:01:00] | ** Beirdo slaps himself ** | |
| [23:01:00] | Tommck: | hehe |
| [23:01:00] | CyberKnet: | bah. someone needed a whole article to describe "How id Lost Its Crown". bah. answer: "Make crappy game." |
| [23:02:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:02:00] | Beirdo: | and then make another |
| [23:02:00] | Tommck: | they're saying that after about 3 days of drying, the keyboard works again... |
| [23:02:00] | CyberKnet: | aah come on, Q3A was decent. |
| [23:02:00] | CyberKnet: | D3 sucked ass though. |
| [23:03:00] | CyberKnet: | I readily admit though that Q3 was nothing like Q1/2 though, and for Q1/2 fans that must have sucked more ass than ... well, a lot. |
| [23:05:00] | kormoc: | d2 was nice |
| [23:05:00] | kormoc: | d3 was grand imho |
| [23:05:00] | CyberKnet: | grand? |
| [23:05:00] | CyberKnet: | wow. |
| [23:05:00] | ** kormoc nods. ** | |
| [23:05:00] | CyberKnet: | Did you anticipate d3 for long before release? |
| [23:05:00] | kormoc: | it was enjoyable, and visually appealing and had a nice level of fun |
| [23:06:00] | kormoc: | yeah, a bit, aye |
| [23:06:00] | kormoc: | and it was everything I expected. |
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| [23:06:00] | CyberKnet: | I guess you weren't expecting too much? |
| [23:06:00] | ** kormoc shrugs. ** | |
| [23:06:00] | kormoc: | it looks good, it was fun, it had some funny moments and was just enjoyable, if that's not too much, then I guess I wasn't expecting too much. |
| [23:07:00] | CyberKnet: | Well, it looked good. I found it a little too repetative to be too much fun. |
| [23:07:00] | kormoc: | I donno, at times I just enjoy vegging out and just mindless slaughter. |
| [23:07:00] | CyberKnet: | And i thought they relied on lighting (or lack thereof) too often to ramp up difficulty. |
| [23:08:00] | kormoc: | hrm. Well, realistically, that was the entire point of the engine, to get the light looking like that. |
| [23:08:00] | CyberKnet: | And from that perspective, the engine was great. |
| [23:08:00] | CyberKnet: | I have no complaint with the engine, actually. |
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| [23:08:00] | CyberKnet: | But being blind does not a good game make, imho. |
| [23:08:00] | CyberKnet: | that just makes your monitor redundant. |
| [23:10:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, don't get me wrong, it's not a game with a lot of replay value, but like, I donno, neather is hl2 or most other games. |
| [23:10:00] | dh1: | in debian, when i do apt-get source. where does the source go? |
| [23:10:00] | kormoc: | dh1, donno, could ask the debian folks |
| [23:10:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: Yeah, I'm certainly not trying to say HL2 was better. But honestly, I have a lot more fun playing Halo 2 than Doom 3. And I don't even get a *mouse* there. Which is disturbing. |
| [23:11:00] | dh1: | ok. thanks |
| [23:11:00] | dh1: | i will do that |
| [23:13:00] | CyberKnet: | aaah, kormoc got his cards =) |
| [23:15:00] | hadees: | anyone know any good software for organizing music? i am not talking about an app that i keep running, i want something that will scan my music dir and then move things around and mabey make the tags better |
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| [23:17:00] | hadees: | slow down everyone, i can't write down all these programs that fast... |
| [23:17:00] | rah: | what alternatives are there for mythtv that don't involve PVR functionality? |
| [23:17:00] | hadees: | rah, huh? |
| [23:17:00] | hadees: | rah, the plugins |
| [23:17:00] | stoffel: | hadees: mv, cp and easytag is what i use |
| [23:17:00] | rah: | hadees: plugins to what? |
| [23:17:00] | hadees: | stoffel, i got like 7 gigs of music, i don't really feel like orginizing it myself |
| [23:17:00] | rah: | hadees: I think you misunderstand |
| [23:18:00] | rah: | I don't want to use mythtv |
| [23:18:00] | rah: | what alternatives are there that don't involve PVR functionality? |
| [23:18:00] | hadees: | rah, um freevo? |
| [23:18:00] | Chutt: | so, uh, why are you asking in the 'mythtv-users' channel, for alternatives for myth? |
| [23:18:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:18:00] | Beirdo: | I was just about to ask that |
| [23:18:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, actually, no I havn't yet... |
| [23:18:00] | hadees: | i don't get it, why not just use mythtv |
| [23:18:00] | hadees: | with out the pvr stuff |
| [23:18:00] | stoffel: | rah: xawtv, mplayer |
| [23:19:00] | hadees: | btw that wouldn't be a half bad option while installing |
| [23:19:00] | rah: | Chutt: because myth is in the class of applications that I'm interested in |
| [23:19:00] | kormoc: | hadees, musicbrainz will do what you want |
| [23:19:00] | kormoc: | hadees, and runs under crossover office at least |
| [23:19:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: oh. Well, they've been delivered. |
| [23:19:00] | rah: | Chutt: a user of myth is very likely to have awareness of other programs in the class |
| [23:19:00] | Chutt: | that's a silly argument |
| [23:19:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, well, hopefully they'll make their way to here :) |
| [23:19:00] | rah: | stoffel: with EPG? |
| [23:19:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: heh =) |
| [23:20:00] | Beirdo: | do you go into a store and ask them where their competitors are, rah? |
| [23:20:00] | Chutt: | might as well go ask in #gentoo if there's any alternatives to gentoo out there |
| [23:20:00] | rah: | Chutt: I'm looking for users of DVB viewing programs |
| [23:20:00] | stoffel: | rah: sorry, that is an PVR feature which you didn't want |
| [23:20:00] | kormoc: | rah, try tvtime, mplayer, or xawtv. |
| [23:20:00] | hadees: | Chutt, that would be silly because gentoo is the best linux distro ever |
| [23:20:00] | rah: | Chutt: so I thought.. mythtv-users.. |
| [23:20:00] | kormoc: | hadees, it is! :P |
| [23:20:00] | CyberKnet: | damn ricers. |
| [23:20:00] | rah: | Beirdo: are you selling a product? |
| [23:20:00] | kormoc: | rah, yes |
| [23:20:00] | rah: | Beirdo: is this channel a developer's channel? |
| [23:20:00] | rah: | Beirdo: or a users' channel? |
| [23:21:00] | kormoc: | rah, I have some property in florda to sell you. |
| [23:21:00] | CyberKnet: | rah: It is a channel for users of MythTV. |
| [23:21:00] | ** rah boggles ** | |
| [23:21:00] | rah: | I just asked a question about dvb programs |
| [23:21:00] | Chutt: | no, you didn't |
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| [23:21:00] | rah: | in the support channel for a dvb program |
| [23:21:00] | Chutt: | you asked for alternatives to myth |
| [23:21:00] | rah: | and I'm getting flack |
| [23:21:00] | hadees: | Beirdo, i tire of this rah, just ban him |
| [23:21:00] | rah: | wtf? |
| [23:21:00] | rah: | ok |
| [23:21:00] | rah: | what dvb viewing applications are there? |
| [23:21:00] | CyberKnet: | hadees: We shouldn't ban him. |
| [23:21:00] | hadees: | rah, mythtv |
| [23:21:00] | Chutt: | go ask in #dvb :p |
| [23:21:00] | CyberKnet: | rah: MythTV =) |
| [23:22:00] | kormoc: | rah, mythtv. |
| [23:22:00] | kormoc: | :P |
| [23:22:00] | rah: | Chutt: thank you |
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| [23:22:00] | Chutt: | does #dvb even exist? |
| [23:22:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [23:22:00] | hadees: | does now |
| [23:22:00] | stoffel: | hehe |
| [23:22:00] | Beirdo: | it's been around for a while, I think |
| [23:23:00] | Chutt: | ah, ok |
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| [23:23:00] | Beirdo: | it must be Monday. lusers everywhere |
| [23:26:00] | kormoc: | on a mailing list, there's this dude who is bitching about where the package installs, saying the linux file system standard isn't good enough for him and wants them to swap around where things installs just for him. it's a really good day for lusers it appears. |
| [23:26:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:27:00] | Beirdo: | if he wants customized, he should build it by hand and install it to /i/suck/bin |
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| [23:29:00] | CyberKnet: | The layout *is* confusing to windows users. But then again, I wouldn't expect them to understand why you might want to put your logging on a different disk or partition than your programs. |
| [23:30:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, and now the cards are here, yay :) |
| [23:30:00] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [23:30:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: So I guess I know what you are going to be up to tonight, hey? |
| [23:30:00] | rjune: | he wants them all in /Programs, like a ma |
| [23:30:00] | rjune: | mac |
| [23:31:00] | CyberKnet: | rjune: nothing is stopping him from doing that =) |
| [23:31:00] | CyberKnet: | rjune: except perhaps his own inability. |
| [23:31:00] | Beirdo: | so he can run OS X and just do that |
| [23:31:00] | rjune: | perhaps, but packages generally make that difficult |
| [23:31:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, well, the thing is, it's a binary only package, so he can't compile it himself, and he's saying that in the commerical world, noone can install anything in /usr, only in /opt. I fear for the comptuers he sysadmins. |
| [23:31:00] | ** Beirdo chuckles ** | |
| [23:31:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: are you nuts? then he'll bitch about that stupid one button mouse |
| [23:31:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:31:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, yeah, tho in theory, just throw them in and it's all ready to go :) |
| [23:31:00] | Beirdo: | that's easily solvable... USB... |
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| [23:32:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: theory? What is this "Theory" that you talk about? =) |
| [23:32:00] | kormoc: | the thing that makes me look bad when it doesn't happen? :P |
| [23:32:00] | CyberKnet: | heh |
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| [23:46:00] | Tommck: | is the back-ported DVB stuff for pcHDTV 3000 cards stable? |
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| [23:55:00] | Keith2: | hey there guys – anyone here capable of answering a couple of questions for me? |
| [23:56:00] | Discipulus: | depends: what questions? |
| [23:57:00] | Keith2: | absolute slowest processor capable of running mythtv smoothly is? |
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| [23:57:00] | Tommck: | Keith2 – depends on your requirements |
| [23:57:00] | Tommck: | using HD ? |
| [23:58:00] | Tommck: | front-end only or back-end too? |
| [23:58:00] | Keith2: | im in the process of planning out the mythtv box im gonna build |
| [23:58:00] | Keith2: | so im really not sure WHAT im using for sure. |
| [23:58:00] | Keith2: | i got a spare hard drive i might use- 40 gig 7200 rpm western digital i believe. |
| [23:58:00] | Tommck: | then we have a catch-22 scenario :) |
| [23:58:00] | Tommck: | 40 is pretty small |
| [23:59:00] | Tommck: | could be OK to test with |
| [23:59:00] | Keith2: | you'd recommend going to 100? |
| [23:59:00] | Tommck: | but not for production |
| [23:59:00] | Tommck: | minimally |
| [23:59:00] | Tommck: | I run 1.2TB |
| [23:59:00] | Tommck: | of course, I'm a freak |
| [23:59:00] | Keith2: | holy crap |
| [23:59:00] | Tommck: | with 4 cards |
| [23:59:00] | Tommck: | (2 HD) |
| [23:59:00] | Keith2: | is there even that much tv? |
| [23:59:00] | Tommck: | absolutely :) |
| [23:59:00] | Tommck: | hehe.. actually, I have abour 600GB free right now |
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