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Thursday, July 7th, 2005, 00:06 UTC
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[00:10:00] rben: SlicerDicer-: got the channel program compiled, have to wait on cable to test it out
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[00:13:00] iznogood: I'm currently using lirc, for remote, but it seems it sometimes misses keys when pressed
[00:14:00] iznogood: is this common?
[00:15:00] rsdvd: Hi....is there any UK users with DVB-T (freeview)....I could do with some pointers?
[00:15:00] rben: iznogood it can happen, if the alignment isn't right. IR can be fussy
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[00:16:00] emilylove: well I replaced the drive — no go
[00:16:00] emilylove: STILL doesn't work
[00:16:00] emilylove: its gotta be something in linux
[00:17:00] iznogood: rben: If I keep the remote still in te same place
[00:17:00] rben: huh
[00:17:00] kormoc: emilylove, replaced the cable.
[00:17:00] iznogood: right in front of the receiver, it even sometimes misses
[00:17:00] rben: have you tried irw?
[00:17:00] kormoc: emilylove, replaced the cable?
[00:17:00] emilylove: i replaced it already
[00:17:00] iznogood: yes
[00:17:00] iznogood: same thing
[00:17:00] emilylove: the cable and the drive
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[00:17:00] rben: and it sees the keys, or does it miss them?
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[00:18:00] iznogood: it sometimes sees
[00:18:00] iznogood: and sometimes doesn't
[00:18:00] kormoc: emilylove, uhh, still the irq 9 thing?
[00:18:00] rben: hmm, might be the remote itself
[00:18:00] rben: or low batteries
[00:18:00] iznogood: I need to like press 4 times, before it sees anything
[00:18:00] iznogood: brand new
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[00:18:00] iznogood: I could try to replace the bat's
[00:18:00] rben: huh, no idea then, unless it's the cable on the ir receiver
[00:18:00] emilylove: NOWWWWWW I think its working
[00:19:00] akaias: i got a myth box running yesterday but have a small problem. I have a nvidia MX440 and svideo out is enabled. if i boot using the svideo out i get the usual boot stuff but right when i system starts to load gnome I just get a black screen
[00:19:00] akaias: using a monitor the box is fine.
[00:20:00] akaias: is this a driver issue? or do i need to do something to make the console to gnome switch on boot work?
[00:20:00] iznogood: akaias: how is your XF86Config-4 setup?
[00:20:00] iznogood: Does it use twintv, or is it only set to use your primary display?
[00:20:00] iznogood: emilylove: what did you do?
[00:21:00] iznogood: rben: it's an internal ITE CIR device, I would think works just out of the box?
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[00:21:00] emilylove: nothing..it just works now
[00:21:00] emilylove: i don't get it
[00:23:00] emilylove: ok nwo back to the origional problem..lets see if it magically fixed
[00:23:00] iznogood: LOL
[00:24:00] rben: iznogood, if it wasn't going to work I'd guess it would be right from the start
[00:25:00] akaias: iznogood, this is my video card setup http://pb.transnull.com/25
[00:25:00] emilylove: my hard drives get awful warm..is that normal?
[00:25:00] kormoc: yeah...
[00:26:00] rben: just be sure the hard drives don't let out the blue smoke. That's what makes them go. Once it gets out, they stop working.
[00:26:00] akaias: iznogood, i added the tv-out part per the gentoo-mythtv howto http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#Nvidia_Drivers
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[00:28:00] mchou: sigh....
[00:28:00] iznogood: akaias: I'm not sure that is the right complete setup for your cards, I've found more howto's when switching to twinview, and most of them not working
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[00:29:00] iznogood: akaias: mine has also Option "Twinview" "true"
[00:29:00] iznogood: but I use the dvi output as second...
[00:31:00] akaias: iznogood, hmm, i'll try adding that. I took the lines for the tv-out in my xorg.cong straight from that howto above. it said it was specifically for the 8x agp mx440
[00:31:00] iznogood: Then it should be ok
[00:31:00] akaias: iznogood, is there a list somehwere of all the mx440 options i can put in xorg.conf?
[00:32:00] kormoc: akaias, the nvidia driver readme
[00:32:00] kormoc: akaias, you are using the nvidia driver?
[00:32:00] kormoc: (nvidia, not nv)
[00:32:00] akaias: iznogood, bah! i should have guessed.
[00:32:00] iznogood: I'm not sure, with xorg.conf, I use Xfree86
[00:32:00] akaias: iznogood, yeah
[00:32:00] kormoc: xorg and xfree are 90% similar.
[00:33:00] iznogood: You'd have to have the nvidia module compiled first, that's true
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[00:35:00] emilylove: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF....................
[00:35:00] emilylove: my 250 gig hard drive look like it just DIED!
[00:35:00] kormoc: !
[00:35:00] emilylove: stpid piece of @#%@%@#%@#%@#%@#
[00:35:00] emilylove: all that friggin work
[00:35:00] iznogood: Did the blue smoke come out?
[00:35:00] emilylove: BEEP BEEP BEEP!
[00:36:00] emilylove: no but linux gave all sorts of errors for it
[00:36:00] iznogood: It might be a ide-controller problem
[00:36:00] emilylove: these drives are getting AWFUL warm
[00:36:00] iznogood: because also your ide cdrom has problems
[00:36:00] iznogood: ow
[00:36:00] emilylove: are they supposed to get warm
[00:36:00] iznogood: yes
[00:36:00] iznogood: not hot
[00:36:00] emilylove: I was hoping not izno
[00:36:00] iznogood: but warm, yes
[00:36:00] emilylove: I don't know how hot is hot and how hot is warm
[00:36:00] kormoc: they get warm enough to be worrysome usually
[00:36:00] kormoc: but like, not coffee warm
[00:37:00] emilylove: I can touch them without feeling pain
[00:37:00] iznogood: yes, but I can touch mine, withouth burning
[00:37:00] kormoc: then it's fine imho
[00:37:00] iznogood: yes
[00:37:00] mchou: emilylove: that's normal.
[00:37:00] emilylove: ok
[00:37:00] kormoc: mine get hot enough to get me to yoink my fingers back with surprise if I brush them.
[00:37:00] mchou: emilylove: ght want to run smart if you have it
[00:37:00] mchou: might*
[00:38:00] emilylove: I mounted the cdrom and the hard drive started reading or writing and after about 10 minutes it seemed like it had frozen so I shut down. it gave all sorts of errors coming back
[00:38:00] kormoc: ahh, that's normal for a hard lock.
[00:38:00] emilylove: JBD failed to read block at offset blah blah
[00:38:00] kormoc: or rather a unclean shutdown.
[00:38:00] emilylove: EXT3-FS- error reading journal
[00:38:00] emilylove: blah blah blah
[00:38:00] kormoc: eew
[00:38:00] mchou: ooh, that's very bad.
[00:38:00] kormoc: well, did it complain too much?
[00:38:00] emilylove: kernel panic 0not synching attempting to kill init!
[00:38:00] kormoc: eew
[00:38:00] emilylove: mount error 22 mounting ext 3
[00:38:00] kormoc: fsck it.
[00:39:00] emilylove: I think I'm gonna start crying
[00:39:00] mchou: error reading journal is usually fatal.
[00:39:00] emilylove: fsck?
[00:39:00] kormoc: mchou, not always
[00:39:00] kormoc: emilylove, fsck /dev/blahblah
[00:39:00] emilylove: you mean replace the s with a u or is that utility
[00:39:00] kormoc: fsck == File System CHeck.
[00:39:00] emilylove: I can't..i get even get into linux
[00:39:00] emilylove: it won't boot
[00:39:00] kormoc: boot off of a cd?
[00:39:00] mchou: boot from knoppix
[00:39:00] mchou: or ditro cd 1 :)
[00:39:00] emilylove: duh...
[00:39:00] mchou: distro*
[00:39:00] emilylove: im dumb..
[00:40:00] kormoc: nah, you're doin lots better then most that come in here :P
[00:40:00] emilylove: alright..ill try it..do you think its worth the effort or should I just reformat and start over for the 4th time
[00:40:00] kormoc: fsck it before you format, it might be totally dead and the fsck should give you a idea how much is damnaged.
[00:40:00] mchou: it's wortyh the effort for the "learning experience"
[00:41:00] emilylove: and it is normally *THIS* unstable? I mean..i can't have linux giong down and losing my media library all the time
[00:41:00] kormoc: no, it's not normally like that at all
[00:41:00] mchou: I would only fsck read only.
[00:41:00] kormoc: mchou, or unmounted...
[00:41:00] emilylove: i mean, ive been at this for like a month and I still don't have the stupid thing working...im just really frustrated
[00:41:00] kormoc: emilylove, you really have bad hardware somewhere in that box.
[00:42:00] ** iznogood agrees with kormoc **
[00:42:00] emilylove: probably the controller...which would really suck because Its a pci ide controller..the onboard won't detect drives over 64gigs
[00:42:00] kormoc: emilylove, ahh, the joys of linux
[00:42:00] mchou: huh???
[00:42:00] kormoc: as long as you have a bootable lexss then 64 gig drive
[00:42:00] mchou: what kind of box is this?
[00:42:00] kormoc: linux will see the 250 gig drive even if the controler doesn't support it onboard :)
[00:43:00] emilylove: an old 600mhz..yes I know its slow but I got mythtv working with crappy res...what kor..are you serious?
[00:43:00] emilylove: if I get this all working my parents have said they might buy a faster machine for it
[00:43:00] emilylove: but as unstable as its been its gonna have to run for awhile
[00:44:00] kormoc: emilylove, I had a 486 with a 120 gig drive hooked up to it, bios wouldn't see it, but linux found it fine once it was booted.
[00:44:00] emilylove: wow!
[00:44:00] emilylove: well ill try it with the onboard then
[00:44:00] emilylove: thats amazing
[00:44:00] MonMotha: I've had systems that I had to boot off a floppy, but since linux doesn't use the BIOS, it usually makes things work
[00:44:00] iznogood: keep in mind, you'd probably have to reinstall to get it to work
[00:44:00] kormoc: you see, linux ignores the bios drive settings and querys the drives themselves. it's a lot smarter that way.
[00:44:00] mchou: kormoc, you're wrong regarding linux seeing 250 vs. 64MB.
[00:44:00] kormoc: mchou, ooh?
[00:44:00] mchou: I mean GB*
[00:45:00] kormoc: mchou, and it's 64 gig.
[00:45:00] MonMotha: wow, going back to SD is painful after watching HD...
[00:45:00] kormoc: mchou, why's that?
[00:45:00] mchou: 48 bit LBA
[00:45:00] kormoc: it should fall back to S/B/C no?
[00:45:00] kormoc: slower but workable.
[00:45:00] mchou: hell no.
[00:46:00] emilylove: *sigh*
[00:46:00] MonMotha: damn my local NBC affiliate is dumb
[00:46:00] emilylove: my distro disks arn't here
[00:46:00] mchou: it's CHS
[00:46:00] mchou: not SBC
[00:46:00] MonMotha: they stretch 4:3 content out to widescreen, but not to the full 16:9, so I can't really squash it back correctly
[00:46:00] kormoc: mchou, whatever it is... I was thinking of what they really were...
[00:46:00] mchou: and why do you think 48bit LBA was necessary?
[00:46:00] kormoc: so the bios could boot off of them?
[00:46:00] mchou: no.
[00:47:00] ** kormoc points at the 120 gig on the 486 he had, and that 486 didn't do 48 bit LBA. **
[00:47:00] mchou: lol.
[00:47:00] emilylove: so I'm sol until I get my distro cd's..
[00:47:00] emilylove: *sigh*
[00:47:00] iznogood: 250Gb will work on a controller with a limit
[00:47:00] iznogood: seen it often
[00:47:00] emilylove: maybe I'll just do knoppmyth..
[00:47:00] iznogood: however, you'd have to partition the right way
[00:47:00] emilylove: maybe I'm to stupid to use rpms
[00:48:00] iznogood: rpms are evil
[00:48:00] mchou: you dont need 48bit for 120GB
[00:48:00] emilylove: treh drive is making some bad sounds
[00:48:00] emilylove: Im htinking its screwed
[00:48:00] kormoc: emilylove, eew :/
[00:48:00] emilylove: i just ran a low leven format on it the other day
[00:48:00] emilylove: it must have just died
[00:48:00] kormoc: mchou, maybe that's so
[00:49:00] emilylove: if its that controller I swear I'll bust it in half
[00:49:00] kormoc: emilylove, least the drive's under warentee, no?
[00:49:00] iznogood: emilylove: just try the disk in a different computer, you'll see it fast enough
[00:49:00] mchou: emilylove: how old is the disk?
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[00:49:00] emilylove: a couple years
[00:49:00] emilylove: its a 250 gig, its gotta be under warantee right?
[00:50:00] mchou: emilylove: who made it?
[00:50:00] emilylove: hey it look s like its booting now
[00:50:00] emilylove: maxtor
[00:50:00] mchou: if it's WD or Maxtor, you may be SOL.
[00:50:00] kormoc: 3 year for oem, 1 year retail, iirc
[00:50:00] emilylove: its booting now
[00:50:00] GreyFoxx: Wd has 3 year waranties on every drive I've had to RMA
[00:51:00] GreyFoxx: and the RMA process at WD is a dream compared to others I've had to deal with
[00:51:00] mchou: better back up all your data while you still have a chance.
[00:51:00] kormoc: wd is 5 on RE/SATA, 3 on SE, and 1 on retail pata, iirc.
[00:51:00] GreyFoxx: that's always a good idea :)
[00:51:00] emilylove: i was gonna force it to do a integrity check but i hit "t" instead of "y"
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[00:57:00] emilylove: ok...so should do do that check now?
[00:57:00] emilylove: its all booted up
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[00:58:00] mchou: no.
[00:58:00] mchou: a reboot could be disastrous
[00:58:00] mchou: back up all your data first.
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[01:01:00] emilylove: there's no data on there
[01:02:00] emilylove: should do do that fsck?
[01:02:00] kormoc: can you unmount it?
[01:02:00] emilylove: um...Its the drive linux booted from
[01:02:00] kormoc: then you can mount it readonly
[01:03:00] emilylove: ok...what should I do then? how do I do that? sorry, Ive just never been through any thing like this before
[01:03:00] emilylove: well on linux anyway..happens all the time in windows
[01:04:00] kormoc: mount /dev/blah / -t ext3 -o remount,ro
[01:04:00] kormoc: then fsck /dev/blah
[01:05:00] emilylove: im assuming whoah....
[01:05:00] kormoc: hrm?
[01:05:00] emilylove: hold on a sec
[01:07:00] |rt|: GreyFoxx: Seagate RMA process is good...just a webform...print it out and mail it in
[01:07:00] |rt|: I've had to send seagate back over a dozen scsi drives (5 year waranty)
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[01:08:00] emilylove: it says "mount / is busy"
[01:09:00] kormoc: hrm
[01:09:00] kormoc: I guess that trick doesn't work on /
[01:09:00] emilylove: oh and I freaked out because when I did a find -name it gave me all sorts of errors
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[01:09:00] emilylove: can I do an fsch on /dev/hde? the / mount?
[01:10:00] kormoc: you could, but it's bad for it :/
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[01:11:00] emilylove: oh
[01:11:00] emilylove: well then, I'm kinda screwed, rn't i?
[01:12:00] emilylove: if I reboot and do that consistancy check, will that do any good?
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[01:12:00] kormoc: it should, aye, but it might not prompt you to do it this time
[01:12:00] emilylove: what about moving those drives off of that controller and putting them on the other controller?
[01:12:00] emilylove: the older one...
[01:12:00] emilylove: crap I HAD to do a typo and hit t instaead of y
[01:13:00] riddlebox: I have downloaded the newest mythweb and done what the instructions say, but no matter what it wont connect to my backend because it says mythweb uses version 15 and I need 17?
[01:14:00] Chutt: then you don't have the 'newest mythweb'
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[01:14:00] riddlebox: I downloaded it from the mythtv.org website in the newest plugins bz2?
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[01:15:00] Chutt: that's not the newest
[01:15:00] riddlebox: well where is the newest then?
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[01:16:00] Chutt: what version of myth are you running?
[01:16:00] riddlebox: mythplugins-0.18.1 is not the newest?
[01:17:00] riddlebox: mythbackend --version 0.18.20050523–1
[01:19:00] Chutt: and it doesn't occur to you that since you're running a development version of mythtv, that you should also be using development versions of the plugins?
[01:19:00] emilylove: BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
[01:19:00] riddlebox: didnt know I was running a development version, I got this from urpmi in mandrake
[01:20:00] Chutt: that's certainly no released version
[01:20:00] emilylove: *sigh*
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[01:20:00] emilylove: I think Im gonna give up
[01:20:00] kormoc: :/
[01:20:00] emilylove: this is so rediculous
[01:20:00] emilylove: mythtv is not for the poor
[01:20:00] emilylove: and the rich can afford tivo
[01:20:00] ** kormoc sighs **
[01:20:00] kormoc: it really is a hardware problem there emilylove.
[01:20:00] riddlebox: emilylove:mythtv is way easier than freevo
[01:20:00] emilylove: TIVO not freevo
[01:21:00] emilylove: I know its a hardware problem but if I can't get it to work on this then I can't get it to work...i can't afford a new box
[01:21:00] riddlebox: I know that
[01:23:00] riddlebox: chutt: is there a different way to check the version maybe I have the wrong command
[01:23:00] emilylove: alright im rebooting again
[01:23:00] emilylove: i have to go in a bit..sorry about draggin all ya down, I'm just really frustrated with this
[01:24:00] emilylove: that HD is messed
[01:24:00] kormoc: tis okay
[01:24:00] emilylove: I think I just have to replace it
[01:24:00] ** kormoc nods **
[01:24:00] emilylove: and I think its that controller but even with it out I'm getting the beeping
[01:24:00] Chutt: well, you can always check to see what rpm you have installed
[01:24:00] kormoc: it could be the mobo
[01:24:00] Chutt: but you _do_ have a cvs or svn checkout from some unknown date
[01:25:00] emilylove: well if it is im screwed
[01:25:00] emilylove: no myth for me :-(
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[01:25:00] emilylove: or a power problem I suppose..l thought I had a new ps around but I don't
[01:25:00] kormoc: you can check the power levels in the bios
[01:26:00] emilylove: well it looks like it might boot..but the drive is making an occasional clicking sound that I don't like
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[01:27:00] emilylove: wow and it looked li FRIGGIN BEEPING AGAIN!
[01:27:00] kormoc: :/
[01:28:00] emilylove: this wouldn't be so bad but Ive been through TWO whole machines
[01:28:00] emilylove: this 600 and a 1ghz
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[01:28:00] emilylove: my parents aren't gonna let me run linux at home anymore I don't think
[01:29:00] kormoc: icky
[01:29:00] kormoc: what hardware was shared between them.
[01:29:00] emilylove: They are thinkign linux damaged the first one, there gonna think its damaged two machines
[01:29:00] riddlebox: chutt: that sucks why would a repository put that in there, literally three days ago I put it on a machine and it all worked perfect, except the mythweather, now its all different and mythweather works but mythweb doesnt
[01:29:00] emilylove: none
[01:29:00] emilylove: thats whats killing me
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[01:31:00] emilylove: now im replacing the video card
[01:31:00] emilylove: which eliminates tv out so the mythv will be useless if it works
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[01:33:00] riddlebox: well maybe I will just get the snapshot for now and see what happend
[01:33:00] riddlebox: happens
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[01:34:00] emilylove: I can't believe I went through all that with that external ontroller card for nothing
[01:35:00] riddlebox: ls
[01:35:00] riddlebox: oops
[01:35:00] emilylove: ha ha
[01:35:00] ** kormoc waits for the su... **
[01:35:00] kormoc: :P
[01:35:00] SlicerDicer-: is anybody here familar with ripping dvd's with mythtv?
[01:35:00] ** rjune_ waits for the su passwd **
[01:36:00] SlicerDicer-: I got it setup but when I run mtd it says I need to setup
[01:36:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont quite understand
[01:36:00] emilylove: click click click on that drive
[01:36:00] emilylove: *sigh*
[01:36:00] emilylove: <--- needs a hug
[01:36:00] kormoc: aww
[01:36:00] mchou: lol
[01:36:00] SlicerDicer-: 2005-07–06 16:37:15.850 New DB connection, total: 1
[01:36:00] SlicerDicer-: MTDLogger.o: You do not have a DVD rip directory set. Run Setup.
[01:36:00] ** kormoc gives emilylove a hug. **
[01:36:00] SlicerDicer-: thats what it says
[01:36:00] ** rjune_ hugs emilylove **
[01:36:00] SlicerDicer-: any idea kormoc?
[01:36:00] emilylove: it was working FINE over the weekend
[01:37:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, no idea... that's odd.
[01:37:00] SlicerDicer-: emilylove, what happend?
[01:37:00] emilylove: ooo its booting...
[01:37:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, you set it up in mythbackend?
[01:37:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc, compiled it in
[01:37:00] emilylove: could a video card that works in windows crash in linux? I don't ge tit
[01:37:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, ODD.
[01:37:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont know where the options to setit up
[01:37:00] kormoc: emilylove, yeah, it could...
[01:37:00] SlicerDicer-: emilylove, windows is shit so it accepts shit
[01:37:00] SlicerDicer-: sorry :/
[01:38:00] SlicerDicer-: I have seen bad ram work in windows for years but 2 seconds in linux you get massive segfaults or kernel panics
[01:38:00] emilylove: how does that make linux better?
[01:38:00] mchou: haha :)
[01:38:00] emilylove: Id much rather have an OS that runs despite defecitve hardware myself
[01:38:00] mchou: emilylove: good question :)
[01:39:00] SlicerDicer-: emilylove, well linux uses the hardware to the full potential
[01:39:00] SlicerDicer-: windows does not so it does not run into problems thats the only thing I have come to the conclusion on
[01:39:00] Chutt: heh
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[01:39:00] SlicerDicer-: emilylove, you said it was working fine though? what kinda PSU do you have and mobo?
[01:39:00] Chutt: 'to its full potential'
[01:39:00] Chutt: that's a laugh
[01:39:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[01:39:00] emilylove: PIII 600 and intel mobo
[01:40:00] SlicerDicer-: no the powersupply
[01:40:00] SlicerDicer-: what make is it?
[01:40:00] emilylove: ha ha *blushes* crapusa
[01:40:00] kormoc: hrm
[01:40:00] SlicerDicer-: well it could be your PSU causing problems I had a psu fry out a video card before
[01:41:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc, what do you think?
[01:41:00] mchou: some crapusa ps are actually pretty good.
[01:41:00] kormoc: yeah, I already sudgested that a bit SlicerDicer- :P
[01:41:00] SlicerDicer-: you deal with hardware alot
[01:41:00] emilylove: its possible..you know what I'm wondering
[01:41:00] kormoc: cpu?
[01:41:00] SlicerDicer-: well color me stupid kormoc
[01:41:00] emilylove: its a 250W PSU...
[01:41:00] kormoc: slePP, tis oaky
[01:41:00] emilylove: maybe its causing brownouts?
[01:41:00] kormoc: emilylove, that's a bit... low...
[01:41:00] SlicerDicer-: ummm... yeah
[01:41:00] mchou: 250 for P3 600 is fine.
[01:41:00] SlicerDicer-: should get a 350watt antec or something and slap it in there 250 watt wont even run my 1.4ghz thunderbird
[01:41:00] Chutt: it's not fine for more?
[01:42:00] emilylove: paybe it isn't havinng the power to initialize the geforece fx?
[01:42:00] mchou: Chutt: hehe :)
[01:42:00] kormoc: fx's are power hungry.
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[01:42:00] SlicerDicer-: emilylove, well nvidia says min of 350 for fx
[01:42:00] TimmyJ: anyone know how I would go about changing the channel that mplayer defaults too when I watch /dev/video0?
[01:43:00] kormoc: TimmyJ, in mythsetup you can, but alas, this is a mythtv channel and not a mplayer channel...
[01:43:00] Chutt: 250's plenty for that kind of machine, or one 4x more power hungry
[01:43:00] kormoc: Chutt, my fx 5800 draws 80 watts by itself.
[01:43:00] SlicerDicer-: emilylove, in my 5900XT it says that I need 350 or better at least I run a 450 in mine just to be safe
[01:44:00] SlicerDicer-: that FX drinks loads of power :/
[01:44:00] emilylove: well that could be it then
[01:44:00] Chutt: kormoc, that's a 5800
[01:44:00] emilylove: I might have to not output to tv then or something
[01:44:00] kormoc: Chutt, he's is a 5700, it's not that much lower, is it?
[01:45:00] kormoc: *her's
[01:45:00] Chutt: different chip
[01:45:00] SlicerDicer-: emilylove, did you mayhaps forget to plug in the molex dongle on the gfx card /me ducks
[01:45:00] emilylove: a 5700 LE
[01:45:00] Chutt: so, yeah
[01:45:00] kormoc: fair nuff
[01:45:00] emilylove: the molex dongle?
[01:45:00] kormoc: 5700's don't do the molex dongle iirc.
[01:45:00] SlicerDicer-: hmm I thought they did
[01:45:00] SlicerDicer-: well maybe not
[01:45:00] ** kormoc slaps his forehead cause yeah, chutt's right and I knew it. **
[01:45:00] SlicerDicer-: maybe its the 6700
[01:46:00] mchou: I how how the blind leads the blind in this channel.
[01:46:00] emilylove: well it has restaretd multiple times without problem now..im thinking it *might* be ok
[01:46:00] mchou: love^^
[01:46:00] kormoc: mchou, ooh? you're leading now?
[01:46:00] Chutt: xris isn't around, is he?
[01:46:00] emilylove: ha ha...blind people in a chat room? how does that work...?
[01:46:00] mchou: now, I was referring to you two numnuts.
[01:47:00] SlicerDicer-: me?
[01:47:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[01:48:00] kormoc: emilylove, mchou feels he's better then us cause he doesn't try to help out much, he much perfers to sit there and make rude comments.
[01:48:00] ** kormoc shrugs. **
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[01:48:00] mchou: right, I prefer being silent than giving ppl poor advice.
[01:49:00] mchou: first the 48LBA issue, and now you complain a 250W PS is inadequate on P3 600.
[01:49:00] emilylove: ok here is what caused the problem the first time
[01:49:00] emilylove: I go to IMPORT CD and it freezes and starts reading/writign to the hard drive
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[01:49:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc, aww come on mchou can be very helpful at times
[01:50:00] SlicerDicer-: he was the one who told me to use rs232 for mythtv and I am glad!
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[01:50:00] kormoc: mchou, 250 drives have a 32 bit lba compatability in the drive specs... it can work...
[01:50:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[01:50:00] kormoc: as well as, a 250 watt ps might be too low for the stuff in that system
[01:50:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: Dont forget the social engineering part :)
[01:50:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh yes!
[01:50:00] kormoc: it's all advice. not law
[01:50:00] SlicerDicer-: it worked like a charm too
[01:51:00] emilylove: im using a 250gb drive in the old controller and its working fine
[01:51:00] Ringwraith`: guys, i cant seem to get audio to work, I have the audio going to the linein on my sound card from my cable box and have a hauppauge wintv card. video works great, but when i MUTE the line-in it seems to stay muted in mythtv
[01:51:00] emilylove: well "FINE" is a relative term
[01:51:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[01:51:00] emilylove: its loading and detecting in linux at the right size
[01:51:00] Ringwraith`: and if i unmute the line in i get echoing because im listening to the live audio stream
[01:51:00] ** kormoc sticks out his tounge at mchou. **
[01:51:00] kormoc: see, I told you!
[01:51:00] emilylove: its definitely running slower though
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[01:52:00] ik1: *yawns* afternoon all
[01:52:00] [311]: for some reason my pvr150 still wont be detected. here is the output of dmseg http://rafb.net/paste/results/T0nEua78.html and these are the steps i followed
[01:52:00] [311]: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~reynolds/pvr150/
[01:52:00] emilylove: very cool..wish I would have known that earlier
[01:52:00] ik1: has anyone seen an issue with the pvr-350 where I cannot tune to any channel at all?
[01:52:00] ik1: I've tried setting the tandards to NTSC and the freq. table to all of the ntsc options.
[01:52:00] kormoc: emilylove, yeah, slower isn't that big a deal right now I'd venture to say
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[01:53:00] SlicerDicer-: emilylove, does your computer reboot when you open the cd drive /me winks at kormoc
[01:53:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[01:53:00] SlicerDicer-: I am being serious too
[01:53:00] mchou: kormoc: 32-bit lba?? lol. more proof that you dont know what you're out of your depth.
[01:53:00] ik1: when I use ptune, I see the signal to tv (via TV-out) blink as if changing channels.
[01:53:00] emilylove: slicer — nope
[01:53:00] simon_c: before i "suck it and see" anyone any ideas if I'll be able, to watch & record on a P2–350Mhz based box with a v4l TV card.
[01:53:00] ik1: still no cookies.
[01:53:00] simon_c: or am I just wasting my time ;-0
[01:53:00] kormoc: mchou, so how does it work then?
[01:53:00] SlicerDicer-: I had that happen before a PSU blew up and it BLEW UP!! capacters dented the PSU casing lol
[01:54:00] SlicerDicer-: emilylove, if you go to burn a cd or something to draw more power does it act funny?
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[01:54:00] [311]: anyone?
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[01:54:00] xris: Chutt: around, but busy and not really watching irc
[01:54:00] ik1: SlicerDicer-: I nearly had that happen the other day as well... I say 'nearly' because it was my fist that dented the case as opposed to a blown cap.
[01:54:00] Chutt: xris, just a quick question: will mythweb reuse socket connections while they're still in use (if it's generating a pixmap, say)
[01:54:00] emilylove: I havn't burned a cd with it yet..but no I havn't noticed any thing like that
[01:54:00] mchou: it goes from 24 bit to 48 bit LBA. There is no such thing as 32bit LBA
[01:54:00] SlicerDicer-: ik1, lol
[01:54:00] kormoc: mchou, http://www.linux.com/howtos/Large-Disk-HOWTO-10.shtml
[01:54:00] kormoc: mchou, We find four pieces of information here: DefaultCHS (words 1,3,6), CurrentCHS (words 54–58) and LBAcapacity (words 60–61) and 48-bit capacity (words 100–103).
[01:55:00] kormoc: mchou, given a word is 16 bits, that's 32 bit address space
[01:55:00] kormoc: mchou, if it only uses 24 bits, that's not my problem, the field fits 32.
[01:55:00] xris: Chutt: you asked that before, and I think the answer was yes (and you said it was ok once you fixed that bug).
[01:55:00] Chutt: no no, that was reuse after it's been used
[01:55:00] xris: it's easy enough to change the behaviour either way.
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[01:55:00] Chutt: i'm asking if it's possible it'll be reused _while_ it's in use
[01:56:00] xris: oh. I don't think so — that stuff is pretty linear.
[01:56:00] emilylove: duh I only have 128 megs ram..thats why its slower...i took out the other 256 b/c I was seeing what the beeping was
[01:56:00] Chutt: even if it's doing lots of pixmap generation?
[01:56:00] Chutt: i think that's the cause of the 'waiting for a thread' stuff
[01:56:00] Chutt: per the backtrace that was posted a bit earlier on the dev list
[01:56:00] Chutt: but, we can talk 'bout it later, when you're less busy =)
[01:57:00] emilylove: ok its freezing up because of my origional problem
[01:57:00] emilylove: why the @#%@#%^@#^@#@! won't myth read info from freedb
[01:57:00] mchou: kormoc: by that reasoning then we should call it 64 bit lba rather than 48 bit lba??
[01:57:00] emilylove: it will ONLY read from .cddb...so I hae to load my cd's into kscd first.
[01:57:00] kormoc: mchou, 3 words is 48 bits...
[01:57:00] ik1: sometimes I'm just soooo tempted to reach for that credit card and buy a tivo.
[01:58:00] ik1: LoL
[01:58:00] ik1: too bad a tivo won't house my LVMs.
[01:58:00] emilylove: any ideas?
[01:58:00] ik1: I have to have a server for that.
[01:58:00] xris: Chutt: pretty sure pixmap generation goes one after another.. php isn't easily threaded.
[01:58:00] emilylove: what in the world is wrong with mythmusic?
[01:58:00] SlicerDicer-: ik1, I can tell you its very nice once its all working you feel like a hero
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[01:59:00] Chutt: hrm
[01:59:00] Chutt: is there a timeout?
[02:00:00] emilylove: I don't think so
[02:00:00] emilylove: I have to go..*grumble* dinner
[02:00:00] ** kormoc waves **
[02:00:00] kormoc: have fun!
[02:00:00] emilylove: I hope i get this working soon
[02:00:00] emilylove: I just want it to work argh
[02:00:00] emilylove: alright see ya everyone
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[02:01:00] jsldub: does anybody here run this project with a bttv card?
[02:01:00] kormoc: yup
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[02:02:00] jsldub: how is tv sound for you? can you rewind it, and does sound automute for you when you exit the tv viewer?
[02:02:00] kormoc: yup
[02:02:00] ik1: SlicerDicer-: I'm sure you're right.
[02:02:00] ik1: I just feel like I'm banging my head against a wall most of the time.
[02:02:00] Chutt: jsldub, you haven't set up your mixer properly.
[02:02:00] Chutt: information on how to do so is in the docs.
[02:02:00] ik1: SlicerDicer-: I've gotten to the point I actually 'DREAMED' that I had it all working.
[02:02:00] ik1: lol
[02:02:00] jsldub: and what would the mixer have to do with the sound not pausing with live tv?
[02:03:00] Chutt: because you're listening to the live stream, not the recorded one?
[02:03:00] kormoc: jsldub, you are using the line in, correct?
[02:03:00] Chutt: it's all explained there, if you bothered to read it
[02:03:00] ik1: 4 days ago, I could change channels w/ ptune, etc, but not get X to start up through the TV-Out.
[02:03:00] jsldub: kormoc: yes.
[02:03:00] ik1: today I have X running, but I can't tune w/ ptune anymore.
[02:03:00] ik1: lol
[02:04:00] kormoc: jsldub, then yes, your mixer isn't set up correctly, just like chutt said. Please read the docs on mythtv.org under setting up the mixer, it's all right there.
[02:04:00] jsldub: Chutt: what am i looking for in the docs if it will answer my exact question?
[02:04:00] Chutt: i dunno, start reading
[02:05:00] ik1: oops – gtg for a bit
[02:05:00] ik1: have a good one, all
[02:05:00] Chutt: it quite possibly could be in the 'Configuring Sound' section, but that's just a crazy wild guess
[02:05:00] Chutt: i'm sure the author of the docs hid things better than that
[02:07:00] jsldub: Chuji: you are su fscking rude.
[02:07:00] jsldub: sorry Chuji , that was Chutt
[02:07:00] phoner: jsldub: it's a matter of mutting one of the lines
[02:08:00] Chutt: people that don't read the install docs don't deserve any better
[02:08:00] jsldub: i am reading the parts left out of the howto right now
[02:08:00] Chutt: left out?
[02:08:00] jsldub: i did exactly what the howto said for setting up the mixer
[02:08:00] Chutt: which howto?
[02:09:00] jsldub: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV
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[02:09:00] kormoc: jsldub, notice it's not the mythtv offical one?
[02:09:00] Chutt: ah, yes, it's mythtv's fault that some randomass other howto doesn't have all the information you need
[02:09:00] jsldub: well it's the first one that goodle recommended to me, therefore, the most useful
[02:09:00] Agrajag-: hahahah
[02:09:00] Chutt: yeah, more useful than the real docs
[02:09:00] kormoc: obviously not, as it didn't work
[02:10:00] Chutt: ah well
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[02:11:00] jsldub: it's such a great project, but the user support blows goats, well at least some people in this channel
[02:11:00] jsldub: imo
[02:11:00] Chutt: you're the one who started questioning the help i gave you
[02:11:00] kormoc: jsldub, you could have tried listening to what I said too, I told ya where it was.
[02:11:00] Chutt: if, instead, you had just listened in the first place, you wouldn't be acting like a 2 year old now
[02:11:00] jsldub: i questioned the attitude you gave me Chutt
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[02:11:00] Chutt: what attitude?
[02:12:00] Chutt: Chutt jsldub, you haven't set up your mixer properly.
[02:12:00] Chutt: Chutt information on how to do so is in the docs.
[02:12:00] Chutt: yeah, there's lots of attitude there
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[02:20:00] ignatius: the howto tells me to qmake mythtv.pro but i don't have qmake
[02:20:00] ignatius: I'm confused
[02:20:00] ignatius: where do I get qmake from?
[02:20:00] Chutt: qt
[02:21:00] ignatius: I have qt installed
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[02:21:00] Chutt: the dev stuff
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[02:22:00] ignatius: hrm
[02:22:00] ignatius: could you be more specific?
[02:23:00] Chutt: not without knowing which distro you're using
[02:23:00] Chutt: you need the qt development packages
[02:25:00] ignatius: I'm snagging them now
[02:26:00] SlicerDicer-: qmake is of the devil!
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[02:28:00] jsharp: Quick question: If I have a backend machine with a tuner card in it, can I play a live TV stream with pause/play from a front end machine.
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[02:28:00] simon_c: jsharp: yes
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[02:29:00] jsharp: Exxxcelllent.
[02:30:00] jfryman: Hello Everyone!
[02:30:00] ** jsharp is about to take his first crack with Knoppmyth. **
[02:30:00] jfryman: I just got my mythtv parts today, got it all set up, and now I'm pulling out my hair because of an error that I can't figure out!
[02:30:00] simon_c: can I have multiple locations to record live TV to before it moves it onto it's storage location ? I want to record live stuff to the local disk, but use network disk if it runs out of space.
[02:31:00] jfryman: Does anyone have any experience with live-tv locking up after about two seconds on a PVR-250?
[02:31:00] ** simon_c doens't have a pvr card **
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[02:32:00] ignatius: I don't even know if my card does pvr
[02:32:00] ignatius: ati tv wonder pro?
[02:32:00] jfryman: prob not. I'm referring to the hauppage card
[02:32:00] ignatius: I paid 100 bucks for it – I half expected it to blow me when I took it out of the electrostatic bag ;-)
[02:32:00] jfryman: lol!
[02:32:00] ignatius: but hey – it works at least
[02:33:00] ignatius: the one yesterday didn't work so well
[02:33:00] jfryman: more than I can say
[02:33:00] simon_c: ignatius: I'm not sure. there's a hardware page on the main myth site that sais which cards work and don't.
[02:33:00] ignatius: what's that site?
[02:33:00] simon_c: I've a (very) cheap fram grabber card, and that seems to work fine for me.
[02:33:00] ignatius: <--- new to vidcap and myth
[02:34:00] simon_c: www.mythtv.org
[02:34:00] jsharp: I have a Hauppage WinTVGo card. It's worked well with other applications.
[02:34:00] simon_c: www.mythtv.info has a reasonable wiki on it too.
[02:34:00] simon_c: I'm (slowly) adding a detailed suse + red-carpet howto series of pages (as oppsoed to suse+apt)
[02:35:00] ignatius: what is red-carpet?
[02:35:00] simon_c: what apt shoud have been (IMO)
[02:35:00] ignatius: ah
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[02:36:00] simon_c: It was a ximian product, Novell have moved a large part of it into the ZLM product, but the cilent is still free, and there are some open servers out there (www.opencarpet.org)
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[02:39:00] ignatius: okay
[02:39:00] ignatius: so I went through and did make install
[02:39:00] ignatius: now what?
[02:39:00] ignatius: where's the binary?
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[02:42:00] simon_c: where ever you told configure to put it ;-)
[02:42:00] ignatius: erm
[02:42:00] ignatius: i didn't tell it to, because the howto didn't tell me to pass flags to the ./configure
[02:43:00] simon_c: I've only built myth into an RPM, so I'm not sure.
[02:43:00] simon_c: it will probably be in your path though. try myth<tab> and see what turns up.
[02:43:00] ignatius: nothing :(
[02:43:00] simon_c: I expect the readme in the source directory will say where it goes by default.
[02:43:00] simon_c: or the INSTALL
[02:43:00] rjune_: simon_c: rpm -qlp your rpm
[02:44:00] simon_c: I know where my RPMs have put the files. I ported them from fc4 to suse !
[02:45:00] simon_c: rjune_: ignatius was having problems knowing where the default "make install" put the files.
[02:45:00] rjune_: simon_c: Ah.
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[02:45:00] rjune_: ignatius: what was your configure line?
[02:45:00] ignatius: ./configure ;)
[02:45:00] rjune_: if you didn't spec --prefix=/something, then it's prolly in /usr/local/bin
[02:46:00] ignatius: but it's not there :|
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[02:46:00] CanadaBoy: anyone using an xbox as a front end ?
[02:47:00] rjune_: ignatius: neat
[02:47:00] rjune_: ignatius: what was your make install line?
[02:48:00] ignatius: as per the howto, it was 'make install'
[02:48:00] rjune_: ignatius: run make install > file 2>&1
[02:48:00] rjune_: then post that file.
[02:49:00] ignatius: send it to you?
[02:49:00] rjune_: if you like
[02:49:00] rjune_: or you can just paste it to me pm
[02:49:00] rjune_: or to #flood
[02:49:00] ignatius: okay
[02:49:00] simon_c: getting too late.
[02:49:00] simon_c: I'm off
[02:49:00] rjune_: later
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[02:52:00] rjune_: ignatius: that's make install you're sending me? that's building
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[03:00:00] rjune_: ignatius: you wanker, it isn't installing because it isn't building
[03:01:00] Tommck: anybody got a time machine?
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[03:01:00] rjune_: I wish
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[03:01:00] Tommck: I need to go back and record the 2nd 1/2 of a Battlestart Gallactica episode for my cousin in Iraq and it stopped after 35 minutes of recording for somet reason.
[03:01:00] Tommck: the 8 episodes before that recorded fine
[03:02:00] Tommck: grr
[03:02:00] rjune_: Tommck: sucks to be you. I would check isohunt or something
[03:02:00] Tommck: never heard of it, but I'll look it up
[03:03:00] GreyFoxx: next weekend season 2 starts! woo
[03:03:00] Tommck: GreyFoxx – yeah... exactly
[03:04:00] Tommck: he wants the first season to introduce some buddies to it... I'm sending him the 2nd season as it airs
[03:05:00] Tommck: I wonder what the heck is causing the recordings to stop.. I get some zero-length and some partials occasionally
[03:05:00] Chutt: ivtv?
[03:06:00] Tommck: yeah... and actually pcHDTV too
[03:06:00] Tommck: I think the HDTV might be a signal issue though.. .not sure
[03:06:00] Tommck: but the ivtv's coming from satellite which doesn't really go out
[03:06:00] Chutt: yeah, but the driver's still buggy =)
[03:07:00] Tommck: true.
[03:07:00] Tommck: and I'm on an older one
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[03:13:00] ignatius: lol
[03:13:00] ignatius: that's what I get when I do a make install
[03:13:00] ignatius: oh well
[03:13:00] ignatius: guess I'm spoiled by apt ;)
[03:14:00] rjune_: ignatius: make && make install next time, eh?
[03:14:00] rjune_: ignatius: what distro?
[03:16:00] pete_: hey guys, is anyone using an irblaster with multiple Starchoice 305/315 receivers (other models are compat)? I'm looking for an lirc file with conf for alternate remote codes
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[03:47:00] emilylove: im back
[03:47:00] emilylove: I'm obsessed with getting this stupid thing to work
[03:48:00] emilylove: so does anyone have any idea why mythmusic can't acess freedb when kscd can?
[03:48:00] rjune_: emilylove: to do what? when I rip a CD it goes and gets the CD info for me
[03:48:00] rjune_: does it when I play a cd too
[03:49:00] emilylove: to get the cd info
[03:49:00] emilylove: kscd can get the cd info from freedb
[03:50:00] rjune_: emilylove: I dunno where mythmusic gets the info. but it does
[03:50:00] emilylove: but mythmusic for some reason isn't able to
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[03:54:00] emilylove: is there any reason not to use knoppix? because I'm sick of trying to get this to work otherwise
[03:55:00] rjune_: emilylove: only reason I can think of is I like fedora
[03:55:00] emilylove: i like fedora too
[03:55:00] GreyFoxx: Are you getting some sort of error at least ?
[03:55:00] emilylove: but Ive been screweing with this for over a month
[03:55:00] emilylove: grey: nope
[03:55:00] emilylove: it works as root
[03:55:00] emilylove: but not as mythtv user
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[03:55:00] emilylove: so its a permissions error somewhere
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: and you have tried running mythfrontend in verbose mode to try and catch the error ?
[03:56:00] emilylove: how do u run in verbose mode?
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: mythfrontend -v all
[03:56:00] emilylove: alright Ill try that thanks
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: There is a LOT of output
[03:56:00] emilylove: meanwhile I'm running a test on my HD I think its screwed
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: so redirect it to a file
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: Or at least it's a lot during video playback :)
[03:57:00] emilylove: can you store things in diff. locations? so I can put my recorded programs in one place and my music and videos in another
[03:57:00] GreyFoxx: of course
[03:57:00] GreyFoxx: they are configured seperately
[03:58:00] emilylove: I thought so..i might do that
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[03:58:00] GreyFoxx: I store everything in different locations
[03:58:00] GreyFoxx: /data/mythtv; /data/video; /data/mp3 etc etc
[03:59:00] emilylove: I am t hinking of having a backend do recordings but keep my videos and music on the frontend...
[03:59:00] emilylove: would that be possible?
[03:59:00] GreyFoxx: certainly
[03:59:00] stang: Hey guys, when I start watching live tv, I get a message in the console saying that my system isn't capable of displaying the full framerate @ my resolution and that frames are going to be skipped to keep audio in sync. This results in choppy video, what can I do to fix this?
[04:00:00] GreyFoxx: Or you could store it all on the one box and nfs mount it to the other. It's up to you how you prefer to do it
[04:00:00] emilylove: thats what I'm thinking about...particularly if htis drive is screweed
[04:00:00] GreyFoxx: ahh
[04:01:00] emilylove: well I'm just thinking about it for now...I'm just amazed at the crappy luck I've had with this
[04:01:00] GreyFoxx: stang: What kind of system?
[04:02:00] stang: sempron 3100+, 256mb, pvr-500mce
[04:02:00] GreyFoxx: what resolution ?
[04:02:00] emilylove: wow..im getting full frames on a PIII6000
[04:02:00] emilylove: 600 even
[04:02:00] GreyFoxx: That processor should be able to easily handle the 500's output
[04:02:00] stang: GreyFoxx, using on board video right now, 128mb card on the way
[04:03:00] rjune_: stang: Ooooooo
[04:03:00] stang: well right now it's @ 1280x1024 b/c that's what my lcd runs at, but I have taken it down to 800x600 and gotten the same thing
[04:03:00] stang: do I need to go lower?
[04:03:00] GreyFoxx: weird, I've never seen that message come from myth. I've seen something likme that in mplayer however
[04:04:00] GreyFoxx: check to ensure that XV is working for your video, make sure DMA is enabled for your drives
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[04:05:00] stang: GreyFoxx, there's another problem reported a little earlier on the console, saying that myth could not find a suitable XVideo surface
[04:05:00] GreyFoxx: That would do it
[04:05:00] stang: GreyFoxx, and that it's falling back to X shared memory *** May be slow ***.... I'm guessing that may do it
[04:05:00] GreyFoxx: almost certainly
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[04:05:00] GreyFoxx: try running xvinfo from an xterm or something
[04:06:00] GreyFoxx: see if it shows anything, or try a newer driver for your video card (or just read the X log)
[04:06:00] emilylove: I have to return the drive
[04:06:00] kormoc: yeah?
[04:06:00] emilylove: I'm gonna have to reinstall
[04:06:00] emilylove: ya, I just ran the maxtor diagnostic stuff on it
[04:06:00] emilylove: I have to return it
[04:06:00] Darby: Greets all. I (finally) have my MythTV working with a PVR-350 and my last step is getting the box to change the channel. I have a Motorola DCT 2524/1612 with Comcast in Chicago. I'd like to use a serial cable if possible. Any idea if this setup will work, or do I need to use IR Blaster?
[04:07:00] GreyFoxx: Darby: Will depend partialy on whether or not your provider leaves the serial port enabled
[04:07:00] stang: GreyFoxx, it reports that X-Video Extension version is 2.2 \n screen #0 \n no adaptors present
[04:08:00] MonMotha: GreyFoxx: or if a serial port is even physically present on the outside :)
[04:08:00] GreyFoxx: stang: You will want to deal with that :)
[04:08:00] Darby: Right. I understand it often doesn't work. How would I tell? I have the cable plugged in and all
[04:08:00] stang: GreyFoxx, haha thanks, I'll see what I can do
[04:08:00] MonMotha: wow, I think MythTV is in a very bad state
[04:08:00] GreyFoxx: Darby: *shrug* try to get a console on it ?
[04:08:00] Darby: telnet to the port?
[04:09:00] GreyFoxx: No, a serial console :)
[04:09:00] stang: GreyFoxx, once I get that fixed, what resolution do people usually watch live tv with? I'm viewing w/ a 19" lcdd
[04:09:00] MonMotha: stang: use the native on your monitor
[04:10:00] stang: Thanks for the help guys!
[04:10:00] GreyFoxx: stang: No idea. A lot fo people just output to a TV so I don't know for sure what the average monitor user uses :)
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[04:12:00] jedix: hey
[04:12:00] jedix: anyone around?
[04:12:00] GreyFoxx: no
[04:13:00] MonMotha: let's see what I can get in on digital cable
[04:14:00] Tommck: stang – I'd recommend whatever is close to your recording resoltion
[04:14:00] jedix: I have my computer setup for 1080i output to my tv, but I can't see gnome's top or bottom bar..
[04:14:00] jedix: does anyone know how to fix that?
[04:14:00] jedix: xvidtune can't tune far enough
[04:15:00] GreyFoxx: That;s called overscan. You might have to change the overscan amount either via a utility or the x config file depends on your card and it's drivers
[04:15:00] stang: Tommck, that makes sense, thanks for the suggestion
[04:15:00] GreyFoxx: Though you should know that tv is normally overscanned and that the top, bottom, right and left chunks are cut off
[04:15:00] GreyFoxx: people usually just don't realize it
[04:15:00] Tommck: stang – unless you want to use it for a computer too... otherwise, you'll have fonts the size of your hand :)
[04:16:00] jedix: GreyFoxx: what utility?
[04:16:00] MonMotha: GreyFoxx: if you're using an LCD monitor, it's probably best to just run it at it's native res and let mythtv handle any scaling
[04:16:00] MonMotha: if you have a CRT, hitting a native mode would be good, though the aspect ratios will be all wrong unless you have a 16:9 CRT
[04:16:00] GreyFoxx: Mon tell him, not me :)
[04:17:00] jedix: I have a 16:9 rear projection DPL
[04:17:00] stang: MonMotha, I'm listening :-)
[04:17:00] GreyFoxx: jedix: That would depend on your card :)
[04:17:00] jedix: GreyFoxx: it's a nvidia 5700
[04:17:00] MonMotha: jedix: DLP != CRT :)
[04:17:00] MonMotha: I run my DLP at native 720p via DVI. Looks great, though yes it is hella overscanned
[04:17:00] GreyFoxx: the nvidia drivers come with an nvidia-settings util and can't be configured in the X config file
[04:18:00] emilylove: yay! I get to start over! for the FOURTH TIME!
[04:18:00] rtsai: *grumble*. stupid mythtv programming guide
[04:18:00] GreyFoxx: Though seriously, tv is suppose to be overscanned
[04:18:00] jedix: yea
[04:18:00] jedix: that's what I'm getting
[04:18:00] emilylove: I shoul dhave just consulted myself out for 30 bucks an hour and bought a tivo..this is such a waste of time
[04:19:00] ** Tommck hates DirecWay **
[04:19:00] ignatius: I fear direcway
[04:19:00] Tommck: I just got "FAPped"... downloading too much data...
[04:19:00] jedix: okay, then maybe I should just get mythtv going on it.
[04:19:00] rtsai: EPG pops up, wife sees "Dancing with the Stars", bye-bye Law & Order ...
[04:19:00] Tommck: at about 180MB... it throttles me back so I'm only getting a couple of KB/sec :(
[04:19:00] Tommck: rtsai – get more cards
[04:20:00] rtsai: I have 2. I kept "The Inside" :)
[04:20:00] GreyFoxx: rtsai: That is why I have several cards heh
[04:20:00] rtsai: This is like the only time in history 2 wasn't enough. I rarely watch ABC as it is.
[04:20:00] Tommck: yeah.. I have 4 :)
[04:20:00] rtsai: I'm hemming and hawwing about a PVR-500 for SDTV.
[04:21:00] poonj: hey guys..
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[04:21:00] poonj: I have ssh x11 forwarding enabled on my myth server.
[04:21:00] poonj: from a client machine, do I just go ssh -X poonj@mythserver?
[04:21:00] poonj: or is there an option I am missing>
[04:21:00] Chutt: -Y
[04:22:00] poonj: okay
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[04:22:00] Chutt: not -X
[04:22:00] Chutt: assuming you have a relatively recent version of openssh
[04:22:00] jedix: -Y?
[04:22:00] kormoc: Chutt, don't you need both?
[04:22:00] Chutt: naw, -Y implies -X
[04:22:00] poonj: here's the thing
[04:22:00] kormoc: jedix, it gives elevated permissions to the forwarded X session.
[04:22:00] poonj: when I go xclock, it works
[04:22:00] ** kormoc nods **
[04:23:00] poonj: however, when mythfrontend doesn't load..
[04:23:00] kormoc: I ran into the same thing the other day
[04:23:00] kormoc: you need -Y
[04:23:00] ** jedix drops his x30 **
[04:23:00] kormoc: -Y Enables trusted X11 forwarding. Trusted X11 forwardings are not subjected to the X11 SECURITY extension controls.
[04:23:00] jedix: ouch
[04:24:00] poonj: umm
[04:24:00] rtsai: anyone have a PVR-500 with amd64 working?
[04:24:00] poonj: this doesn't make sense..
[04:24:00] jedix: hrm
[04:25:00] Chutt: rtsai, i do
[04:25:00] poonj: okay, forget it
[04:25:00] poonj: its working
[04:25:00] poonj: just slow..
[04:25:00] ** kormoc nods **
[04:25:00] GreyFoxx: Chutt: Get your firmware all figured out ?
[04:25:00] Chutt: dunno what it was
[04:25:00] Chutt: wasn't the firmware
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[04:25:00] GreyFoxx: magic pixies :)
[04:25:00] rtsai: cool. Just waiting for another penguin to test the waters :).
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[04:25:00] jedix: yeah, I need some more magic pixie dust
[04:26:00] Tommck: jesus... just got disconnected because of lack of bandwidth... I hate those f$*%$#%# DirecWay bastards
[04:27:00] jedix: should I be setting my mysql databaes password to something?
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[04:35:00] poonj: crap
[04:35:00] poonj: I remember this ssh forward to be faster
[04:35:00] poonj: x11 forwarding I mean..
[04:36:00] poonj: I wonder whats up
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[04:37:00] MonMotha: dammit, why is the "erase all my configuration" option so easy to hit?
[04:37:00] emilylove: alright this will be the last you all will see me
[04:37:00] MonMotha: it should at least make sure...
[04:37:00] emilylove: I'm officially giving up
[04:38:00] emilylove: Ive wasted a month of my life on this...
[04:38:00] emilylove: i obvously don't have the equipment to make it work
[04:38:00] emilylove: thanks for all your help everyone!
[04:38:00] larrydag: emilylove: what equipment do you have?
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[04:38:00] emilylove: I'm not gonna waste any more of my time dong this
[04:38:00] emilylove: larrydag: crap
[04:38:00] emilylove: stuff that breaks all the time
[04:38:00] emilylove: now I have to send a hard drive in (if its under warrantee)
[04:39:00] larrydag: emilylove: i've got crap equipment and it is working OK
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[04:39:00] emilylove: and the video card keeps flaking out even though it was a xmas gift
[04:39:00] emilylove: i think my psu is too weak
[04:39:00] emilylove: and I have $0 to spend on this
[04:40:00] emilylove: I've installed fc3 3 times now...im sick of the long days wasted doing the same friggin install
[04:40:00] larrydag: emilylove: my puter is P-II 400, 386mb ram, 10gb+32gb hdd, pvr250, nvidia mx4000 video card
[04:40:00] emilylove: actuall I've installed it like 7 times now
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[04:41:00] larrydag: emilylove: believe it or not but it works fine (just don't ask the wife that though, she wants her digital cable back)
[04:41:00] emilylove: well maybe I'll pick it up again some time, but I'm wasting my life away on a device thats supposed to save me time in watching my shows
[04:41:00] larrydag: emilylove: have you tried Knoppmyth yet?
[04:41:00] emilylove: I should just program my vcr
[04:41:00] larrydag: emilylove: http://mysettopbox.tv give that a try
[04:41:00] emilylove: yes I have, I got the thing working if FC3 except for one small thing and no one had any idea and my HD just fried and I have to reinstall it all again
[04:42:00] emilylove: stupid mythmusic wouldn't acess freedb
[04:42:00] larrydag: i don't use mythmusic
[04:42:00] emilylove: anyway I'm pretty pissed right now..i better go before I bite someone's head off
[04:42:00] emilylove: I plan on using mythmusic alot
[04:42:00] ** kormoc waves **
[04:42:00] emilylove: I love listening to music
[04:42:00] emilylove: thanks kormac for all your help!
[04:42:00] kormoc: your welcome :)
[04:43:00] emilylove: maybe I'll save up and get a tivo and stop by to tell you all how nice it is to have a device that just works :-)
[04:43:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[04:43:00] kormoc: myth isn't for everyone and yeah, that might just be better for ya :)
[04:43:00] emilylove: alright...well I probably won't be back for awhile, if ever...I'm gonna stop for a long while..this is wasting too much of my time for something I don't think is gonna work on my equipment
[04:43:00] larrydag: if you pay me $13 a month for the rest of your life i'll gladly build you a system
[04:44:00] emilylove: see ya everyone!
[04:44:00] kormoc: have fun!
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[04:44:00] larrydag: hehe, another satisfied customer
[04:44:00] MonMotha: is it bad when my drivers are so unstable that it's easier to just give up and reboot the damn system than to try and unbreak it?
[04:45:00] kormoc: she really had it bad tho, larrydag.
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[04:45:00] jedix: what does hrc mean?
[04:45:00] larrydag: i'm sure she did. i know i was really frusturated at first when i was installing my system but i finally got it working
[04:45:00] MonMotha: not that mythtv handles bad DTV signal quality very gracefully (read: it locks up until it times out and barfs all over itself)
[04:45:00] MonMotha: jedix: harmonically related carriers
[04:45:00] adante: at least she has the option of getting a tivo.. not the case here in aus
[04:46:00] MonMotha: it's a cable frequency layout that tries to make it so that crap TVs will have a better signal (won't get itnerference from the adjacent carriers)
[04:46:00] kormoc: larrydag, she has bad hardware, been through 2 entire boxes, and they are all dead. it's understandable that she's done with it.
[04:46:00] adante: MonMotha: re dvb pain, i hear ya – how many people actually use dvb?
[04:46:00] MonMotha: adante: pretty much everybody doing digital TV who aren't using IEEE1394
[04:47:00] abarbaccia: hello all – anybody whos experienced with ubuntu and has a few minutes can please read over my guide – its just a start — but i would appreciate it www.abarbaccia.com
[04:47:00] Agrajag-: adante: i think a fair few aussies do
[04:48:00] fatmatt: I use dvb
[04:49:00] MonMotha: well, apparently I get to completely reset up my DVB stuff
[04:49:00] MonMotha: since I accidentally hit the "erase my config" button in setup and there's no fscking confirmation on that
[04:49:00] MonMotha: and just telling it about the old channels inexplicably fails, even though it looks like it should work as far as the database is concerned
[04:50:00] adante: with my current dtv setup it's workable but still locks up 1–2 times a week (frontend freezes, backend starts to spinlock) – i've been wondering if this was par for the course for dvb users?
[04:50:00] Agrajag-: nope.. never happened to me
[04:50:00] MonMotha: adante: you're doing better than average, I think
[04:50:00] MonMotha: especially if you're using XvMC or have marginal signal quality
[04:50:00] larrydag: how do you setup "favorite" channels?
[04:50:00] Agrajag-: worst i get is my backend saying "no data from card in 1 second" over an dover until the recording finishes
[04:50:00] fatmatt: mine seems fine, worst I was getting was occasional audio loss (seemed to be mainly ABC, and more often than not Denton)
[04:51:00] fatmatt: I've had uptime of 30+ days on the mythtv box,
[04:51:00] fatmatt: without probs
[04:51:00] abarbaccia: any ubuntu guys in here right now?
[04:52:00] jedix: what's the utility for nvidia cards to fix the overscan?
[04:52:00] poonj: how do you guys access your mythboxes?
[04:52:00] poonj: mythweb or vnc?
[04:52:00] Agrajag-: jedix: nvtv
[04:52:00] MonMotha: fatmatt: mine seems to crash pretty badly about once a week
[04:53:00] Agrajag-: MonMotha: what happens?
[04:53:00] fatmatt: MonMotha: what dist doyou use?
[04:53:00] adante: Agrajag-: i get the couldn't read in 15 seconds error, which loops so frontend never recovers
[04:53:00] jedix: Agrajag-: that does the non-tv outputs too?
[04:53:00] Agrajag-: jedix: nvidia-settings for monitor stuff
[04:54:00] jedix: thanks
[04:54:00] Agrajag-: adante: i dont watch live tv so that doesn't happen to me
[04:54:00] Agrajag-: adante: but all you'd do is restart the backend.. not so bad
[04:55:00] adante: Agrajag-: i don't, but parents often leave it on so next morning it's dead
[04:55:00] Agrajag-: dead as in?
[04:56:00] adante: dead as in mythfrontend locked up (log just keeps posting 15 seconds error)
[04:56:00] adante: after i restart frontend everything is fine (no need to touch backend)
[04:56:00] Agrajag-: well just kill/restart it
[04:56:00] MonMotha: fatmatt: does it matter?
[04:57:00] Agrajag-: nup
[04:57:00] jedix: how can I get to stored avi files?
[04:57:00] Agrajag-: jedix: cd
[04:57:00] jedix: ...
[04:57:00] jedix: through myth
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[04:57:00] adante: Agrajag-: yeah but i need to KISS for the non-technophiles in the house :]
[04:58:00] Agrajag-: jedix: as in videos or recordings?
[04:58:00] jedix: videos
[04:58:00] jedix: they aren't recorded off a capture card.. I haven't got one yet
[04:59:00] adante: oh and i still get the occasional spontaneous segfault too
[04:59:00] Agrajag-: you need to use mythvideo and set that up
[05:00:00] jedix: in the setup?
[05:00:00] jedix: or another application
[05:00:00] Agrajag-: have you installed mythvideo?
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[05:00:00] jedix: no
[05:01:00] jedix: I do now
[05:01:00] Agrajag-: smart thinking.....
[05:03:00] abarbaccia: i need somebody running ubuntu and an nvidia card to write a how-to on getting nvidia xv running
[05:03:00] abarbaccia: if your interested, private message me – im going to sleep now
[05:04:00] ignatius: okay
[05:04:00] ignatius: I finally got myth running
[05:04:00] ignatius: to a point
[05:04:00] ignatius: it dies and says failed to init MythContext, exiting
[05:07:00] ignatius: and it says it can't connect to the master backend server
[05:07:00] MonMotha: well, the magical DVB fairy seems to have left my residence this evening as mythtv is now being stupid
[05:07:00] MonMotha: it tunes, but sets things up wrong then bitches
[05:07:00] MonMotha: and of course, doesn't give any USEFUL logging info
[05:08:00] adante: if it makes you feel any better, you reminded me to backup my config – thanks :]
[05:11:00] MonMotha: yeah, I hadn't done that recently
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[05:11:00] MonMotha: there really needs to be a "Are you really sure you want to nuke your config?" thingie
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[05:13:00] MonMotha: ok, mythtv's DVB support sucks
[05:14:00] MonMotha: I can tune it by hand just fine, but when MythTV tunes it, it gets nothing. I think it's tuning to the wrong place
[05:14:00] jedix: how do I go back in the menu
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[05:16:00] MonMotha: jedix: hit escape
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[05:20:00] ignatius: what is MythContext, and why do I keep getting that error?
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[05:21:00] Agrajag-: MonMotha: myth's dvb stuff works super well for me
[05:22:00] MonMotha: Agrajag-: it was working fine, but I accidentally whacked the "nuke my configuration" button, and it's not working upon setting it back up
[05:22:00] MonMotha: it attempts to tune the card, sometimes does so, but never appears to actually pass traffic
[05:22:00] MonMotha: there really needs to be fscking confirmation on the "nuke my config" buttons
[05:23:00] Agrajag-: load up the backup db you made :P
[05:23:00] Agrajag-: it isn't the default option either.. how'd you manage that? :P{
[05:23:00] MonMotha: you mean the one I made months ago before I got all this working?
[05:23:00] MonMotha: I bumped the arrow key right as I hit enter
[05:24:00] MonMotha: there's really no excuse for it not saying "are you sure you really want to blow up your config"
[05:24:00] Agrajag-: i guess
[05:24:00] Agrajag-: but there's really no excuse for not making backups either :P
[05:24:00] MonMotha: um, one shouldn't have to back this sort of thing up
[05:24:00] MonMotha: I have one, it's jsut from an older config
[05:25:00] MonMotha: pre-DVB
[05:25:00] adante: what, your config? :]
[05:25:00] MonMotha: yeah, it shouldn't eat it
[05:26:00] ignatius: do I absolutely need to run the sql database?
[05:26:00] ignatius: I just want to stream to myth from one channel
[05:26:00] MonMotha: I guess I'll just reconfigure the whole thing from scratch
[05:26:00] MonMotha: since attempting to patch it back together is certainly not working for some inexplicable reason
[05:27:00] adante: ignatius: you just want to watch 1 channel? myth is possibly overkill for that
[05:27:00] MonMotha: the crazy thing is that it appeared to be configured IDENTICALLY to before, yet it wasn't working
[05:28:00] ignatius: adante: right... I just want to stream from my tv card to an mpg or avi file, and don't want to use xawtv. I can't seem to get vstream or streamer working
[05:28:00] ignatius: just one channel
[05:28:00] ignatius: channel 3 :)
[05:28:00] adante: whats your setup (card?)
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[05:29:00] MonMotha: videolan
[05:29:00] ignatius: adante: my card is an ati tv wonder pro which uses the v4l2 cx88 chip
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[05:29:00] MonMotha: wow...a supported ATi card, that's amazing
[05:29:00] ignatius: heh
[05:30:00] ignatius: the tvwonder ve is supported, but it sucks because it only does mono out.
[05:30:00] ignatius: anyway
[05:30:00] adante: ignatius: i don't know beans about anything other than dvb, sorry
[05:30:00] ignatius: it's cool
[05:30:00] MonMotha: look into videolan
[05:31:00] MonMotha: or heck, just run mencoder or transcode on it
[05:31:00] jedix: hrm
[05:31:00] jedix: I can't play any media
[05:31:00] jedix: is it supposed to use mplayer?
[05:41:00] MonMotha: is there a way to get MythTV to be incredibly verbose about DVB (tell me where it's tuning to, maybe even list the raw ioctls it's issuing)? -v all doesn't evne seem to give that info
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[05:46:00] nuke25: ho
[05:46:00] nuke25: hi
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[05:47:00] nuke25: is there a way to put free pvr software on my settop tivo box?
[05:48:00] MonMotha: no
[05:48:00] nuke25: can i rip the tuner card out of my tivo and put it in my computer?
[05:54:00] MonMotha: no
[05:56:00] MonMotha: hum, MythTV appears to have forgotten how to tune DVB
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[06:01:00] nuke25: is there a way to put free pvr os (mythTV and the like) software on my settop tivo box?
[06:01:00] MonMotha: there we go...it only required reconfiguring all my cahnnel and tuner info from scratch...
[06:01:00] MonMotha: nuke25: I said before, no
[06:01:00] MonMotha: you have to use a PC
[06:02:00] nuke25: 123 users on mythtv-users
[06:03:00] MonMotha: yes, all of whom will give you the same answer to running MythTV on your tivo
[06:03:00] nuke25: 121 of the users arnt wasting there time
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[06:04:00] nuke25: maybe 1 of them knows how
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[06:04:00] nuke25: knolage is power
[06:04:00] nuke25: yeah yeah i know i misspelled it
[06:04:00] defy: can someone give me the url for the fedora core3 install totorial?
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[06:13:00] nuke25: is there a way to put free pvr os (mythTV and the like) software on my settop tivo box?
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[07:05:00] poonj: hey MonMotha: is there a tool to test the ATSC signal for the pcHDTV3000 when its installed as a dvb device?
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[07:06:00] Gumby: anyone here use console emu's?
[07:07:00] Gumby: looking for something to try using
[07:07:00] MonMotha: poonj: azap
[07:08:00] poonj: is that under 2.6.12 xtras?
[07:08:00] poonj: on the pchdtv website downloads?
[07:08:00] MonMotha: it's in dvb-apps
[07:08:00] MonMotha: I just pull CVS
[07:09:00] stang: MonMotha, I tried getting my K8m800m onboard video to use the Via s3 unichrome driver but x won't start, saying that no devices detected because no screens found... have any suggestions? I've never messed w/ xorg.conf before
[07:09:00] MonMotha: not really. I've never used those devices
[07:09:00] MonMotha: tried X -configure?
[07:09:00] stang: yeah, it just used vesa
[07:10:00] MonMotha: hum..
[07:10:00] MonMotha: did it make a usable config?
[07:10:00] MonMotha: w00t! random crash
[07:11:00] MonMotha: backend dies, DVB goes with it
[07:11:00] MonMotha: and I wasn't even using the DVB input
[07:11:00] stang: yeah, vesa is fine, but you probably remember earlier about my mythfrontend complaining about no Xvideo surface found
[07:11:00] stang: xvinfo shows no adaptors when using the vesa driver
[07:12:00] MonMotha: and yep, it broke itself
[07:12:00] MonMotha: you don't get Xv when using VESA
[07:12:00] MonMotha: that's totally unaccelerated
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[07:13:00] stang: true true... well I'll google around a bit more
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[07:14:00] stang: I guess I could use X -configure's .conf and just tell it to use the via driver
[07:14:00] stang: I'll give that a shot
[07:16:00] MonMotha: woah...my local PBS station appears to have fallen off the face of the earth
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[08:12:00] pat: Hi, I keep having this problem with mythbackend...
[08:12:00] pat: i try to run it
[08:12:00] pat: but i get this error:
[08:13:00] pat: well, this output, anyway:
[08:13:00] pat: 2005-07–07 01:12:57.187 New DB connection, total: 1
[08:13:00] pat: 2005-07–07 01:12:57.196 Unable to connect to database!
[08:13:00] pat: 2005-07–07 01:12:57.197 Driver error was [1/1045]:
[08:13:00] pat: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[08:13:00] pat: Database error was:
[08:13:00] pat: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[08:13:00] pat: 2005-07–07 01:12:57.198 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[08:13:00] pat: is anyone here?
[08:13:00] stang: did you set up the mysql database?
[08:14:00] pat: well, when i ran this mc.sql script
[08:14:00] pat: i got an output i wasn't expecting:
[08:14:00] stang: the whole mysql -u root < mc.sql  ?
[08:14:00] pat: yeah
[08:14:00] pat: and after i ran it
[08:15:00] pat: it output all this information
[08:15:00] pat: about mysql
[08:15:00] stang: what information?
[08:15:00] pat: mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.10a, for suse-linux (i686)
[08:15:00] pat: Copyright (C) 2002 MySQL AB
[08:15:00] pat: This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software,
[08:15:00] pat: and you are welcome to modify and redistribute it under the GPL license
[08:15:00] pat: Usage: mysql [OPTIONS] [database]
[08:16:00] pat: then it continued with all of the options/variables
[08:16:00] stang: didn't work then
[08:16:00] pat: i didn't think so
[08:17:00] stang: which didn't create your myth user and didn't create the database which doesn't allow you to connect to the database mythbackend is trying for
[08:17:00] stang: :-)
[08:17:00] pat: that's what i figured
[08:17:00] pat: but how could i be doing this wrong?
[08:17:00] stang: did you start the mysql server?
[08:17:00] pat: well, in Yast>system services it says i have
[08:18:00] pat: oh man
[08:18:00] pat: wait
[08:18:00] stang: try to log in, mysql -u root (if you haven't set a passwd for root)
[08:19:00] pat: i have set a password
[08:19:00] pat: but
[08:19:00] pat: when i log in
[08:19:00] pat: i get the same output from mysql that i posted above
[08:19:00] pat: as if i didn't give it the correct command or something
[08:19:00] travolta: try mysql -u root -p < mc.sql
[08:19:00] pat: ok
[08:20:00] stang: he still shouldn't get a usage error w/o the p flag though
[08:20:00] pat: i still got the usage error message
[08:21:00] pat: with -p
[08:22:00] cetex__: pat: do you type the line exactly as "mysql -u root -p < mc.sql"?
[08:22:00] pat: well, i actually put:
[08:22:00] pat: mysql password mypass -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql
[08:23:00] stang: do mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql
[08:23:00] pat: wow
[08:23:00] pat: it worked
[08:23:00] pat: apparently
[08:24:00] pat: what was different there?
[08:24:00] stang: -p says you want to log in using a password
[08:24:00] stang: so then it prompts you for it
[08:24:00] Agrajag-: pat.. if it tells you your usage is wrong, the problem is that......... your usage is wrong
[08:24:00] stang: -u root says that you want to log in with root
[08:24:00] pat: ok, thanks
[08:24:00] pat: but
[08:24:00] pat: although it didn't output any errors
[08:25:00] pat: i just tried to run mythbackend
[08:25:00] stang: your password mypass would have worked if you put --password=mypass, dropped the -p, and added -u root
[08:25:00] pat: oh ok
[08:25:00] pat: but anyway, i just tried mythbackend again
[08:25:00] pat: and i got the same error that i got earlier
[08:25:00] stang: did you change the script at all?
[08:25:00] stang: the mc.sql script
[08:26:00] pat: yeah, i did
[08:26:00] stang: well do you see the source of all your problems? :-)
[08:26:00] pat: but
[08:26:00] pat: i created a backup :)
[08:26:00] stang: you changed the username and password used in the script, huh?
[08:26:00] pat: yep
[08:27:00] stang: well, now run mythtv-setup
[08:27:00] stang: and enter in the username and password you used in the script in the appropriate fields
[08:27:00] pat: ok
[08:27:00] stang: hopefully you changed nothing else to mc.sql... right?
[08:28:00] pat: well, i just deleted the mc.sql that i had modified
[08:28:00] pat: and replaced it with my backup
[08:28:00] pat: that i made before i changed anything
[08:28:00] pat: should i run the script again?
[08:28:00] pat: correction: sould i run this original unmodified script?
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[08:30:00] stang: umm... if you only modified the username/password, then leave it like it is and run mythtv-setup
[08:30:00] pat: ok
[08:30:00] stang: so which road are you taking?
[08:30:00] pat: i'll try mythtv-setup
[08:30:00] stang: k
[08:31:00] pat: thanks, it worked 8-)
[08:32:00] stang: no problem
[08:32:00] pat: later
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[09:00:00] MonMotha: wow, stupid
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[09:00:00] MonMotha: so I'm watching live TV and myth wants to do a recording, so it asks me the usual what do you want to do question. Except that I have another tuner available...
[09:01:00] HankH: anyone else having problems were the menu's are freezing up and Xfree86 is at 99% CPU usage??
[09:02:00] sskk: I just installed myth tv, on a new machine with a celeron 2.26ghz processor. Now it seems to be too slow?? When playing a dvd, the total cpu ussage is at 100% and the playing is very very bad.. any advice?
[09:02:00] MonMotha: sskk: are you sure you're using Xv for video output?
[09:02:00] MonMotha: ensure that mplayer is picking vx
[09:03:00] sskk: monmotha: don't know what that is. will look into it, thanks, but is it called xv og vx? :)
[09:04:00] MonMotha: xv :)
[09:04:00] SlicerDicer-: anybody around here familar with the mtd the transcoding dvd thingo?
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[09:12:00] SlicerDicer-: nobody?
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[09:16:00] Gumby: does anyone here run a gaming console emulator at all? looking to find a decent one
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[09:21:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc, you around?
[09:22:00] kormoc: hihi
[09:22:00] SlicerDicer-: hey
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[10:02:00] Bhaal: Hey guys, anyone had experience with the Australian version of the PVR-250MCE card?
[10:02:00] Bhaal: I cannot get a stream off mine...
[10:03:00] Bhaal: I can get the video devices up, and ivtvctl can see it...
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[10:03:00] Bhaal: but cat /dev/video1 > test.mpg (2nd tuner card is PVR-250) doesnt give me anything...
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[10:04:00] SlicerDicer-: Bhaal, what kind of input are you using?
[10:04:00] Bhaal: RF
[10:04:00] SlicerDicer-: k sec
[10:05:00] Bhaal: rspooner: what tuner card you using?
[10:06:00] SlicerDicer-: well Bhaal I am just wondering if you have it set to the right input
[10:07:00] Bhaal: SlicerDicer-: How do I change the input?
[10:07:00] SlicerDicer-: sorry I had to pull up my mythtv box via ssh to remember the commands its late :)
[10:07:00] Bhaal: hhehe
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[10:07:00] SlicerDicer-: 'ivtvctl -p *'
[10:07:00] SlicerDicer-: is how you change iircl
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[10:08:00] SlicerDicer-: 'ivtvctl -p 4'
[10:08:00] SlicerDicer-: try using that
[10:08:00] SlicerDicer-: I cant promise its the same as the PVR-350 but its worth a try
[10:08:00] SlicerDicer-: thats how I have to change it to RF
[10:09:00] Bhaal: ok, well nothing changed, I just tried the dev drivers...
[10:10:00] Bhaal: Im seeing the same errors while loading the modules...
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[10:10:00] SlicerDicer-: what distro are you using for this?
[10:11:00] Bhaal: Debian
[10:11:00] Bhaal: http://pastebin.com/308793
[10:11:00] Bhaal: 2.6.10 kernel
[10:13:00] SlicerDicer-: hmm
[10:13:00] SlicerDicer-: ivtv: i2c client addr: 0x44 not found!
[10:13:00] SlicerDicer-: your talking about that correct?
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: sorry its late here
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[10:14:00] Bhaal: Im talking the whole damn thing not working...
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: does the ivtv module not load at all?
[10:14:00] Bhaal: There are a couple of page allocation failures etc
[10:14:00] Bhaal: No, it loads...
[10:15:00] SlicerDicer-: damn I see it now... I am blind its late lol... ok
[10:15:00] SlicerDicer-: do you have a link handy to where you got the howto to build the ivtv driver?
[10:16:00] SlicerDicer-: I just want to go over what howto you used
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[10:16:00] Bhaal: I didnt actually... I just used the install.txt from the doc dir...
[10:18:00] SlicerDicer-: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=De . . . Card-Howto-1 that could be of some use to you thats very similar to what I used when I experimented with Ubuntu
[10:19:00] SlicerDicer-: I know it says for multiple cards but everything is self explaining on where it says to add the second card and you can just ignore that and trace your steps perhaps
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[10:23:00] Bhaal: kobject_register failed for msp3400 (-17)
[10:24:00] Bhaal: Whats that saying? msp3400 module does it, as does the tuner module...
[10:30:00] SlicerDicer-: you know
[10:31:00] SlicerDicer-: I am thinking that not all the modules you need are compiled into the kernel
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[10:32:00] Bhaal: Thats possible...
[10:32:00] SlicerDicer-: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#ivtv I dont know if that will help with the 250 or debian for that matter but those are the modules that I use
[10:33:00] SlicerDicer-: if you want to check it against your kernel
[10:33:00] SlicerDicer-: but I have been googling around to see if there was anything for debian and 250 but nothing showed up that jumped at me
[10:34:00] Bhaal: yeah
[10:34:00] Bhaal: same
[10:34:00] Bhaal: It could be that kinda issue... Alot of my stuff is in the kernel coz I have a WinFast TV2000 tuner card in the machine aswell..
[10:35:00] SlicerDicer-: hmm
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[10:35:00] SlicerDicer-: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=debian267 in that howto it says to rm the msp3400.ko and now that I think about it I did that with ubuntu
[10:35:00] SlicerDicer-: speaking of the msp3400
[10:36:00] SlicerDicer-: that you spoke of above anwyay
[10:37:00] Bhaal: yeah, but the ivtv one is the only one I have, but maybe I need to have it turned on in the kernel anyway?
[10:37:00] SlicerDicer-: I am not sure :/
[10:38:00] SlicerDicer-: afaik the pvr-250 is the exact same card as the 350 though all it lacks is the decoder output
[10:39:00] Bhaal: Well I just did a search of my kernel .config and there is nothing there about MSP3400
[10:40:00] Bhaal: Bet ya a zillion bucks, it dont like having the Winfast TV2000 card in there...
[10:40:00] Bhaal: *sigh*
[10:40:00] SlicerDicer-: it might not
[10:43:00] SlicerDicer-: see I dont know how identical debian is to ubuntu but if you take a look here http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/UbuntuInstallatio . . . value=debian its talking about the removal of the msp3400.ko as well for the pvr-250
[10:43:00] SlicerDicer-: actually that is the howto I followed for ubuntu
[10:46:00] Bhaal: yah, I understand, hrm, maybe coz Ive got it compiled into the kernel hehe oops :)
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[10:47:00] SlicerDicer-: perhaps I really dont know :/
[10:47:00] Bhaal: Okey, recompiling kernel..
[10:47:00] Bhaal: Thanks for your help man, maybe you should sleep :)
[10:48:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh I got to wait to make sure that something compiles before I head out
[10:49:00] SlicerDicer-: are you using this with foxtel? or going to use it with foxtel?
[10:49:00] Bhaal: Nah... Not at this stage...
[10:49:00] Bhaal: Im not rich enough hehe
[10:49:00] SlicerDicer-: just over the air stuff?
[10:49:00] Bhaal: yeah
[10:49:00] Bhaal: Free to air
[10:50:00] SlicerDicer-: not a bad deal good amount of stations really that play some quality stuff
[10:50:00] SlicerDicer-: though I do question SBS sometimes
[10:50:00] Bhaal: Internet is more important then TV .. so yeah we are paying for Bigpond cable and Optus cable... I have to have the redundancy...
[10:50:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[10:51:00] SlicerDicer-: well telstra adsl is up and down more than hookers pantys so I had dialup as backup no matter how bad that sounds it worked
[10:51:00] Bhaal: haha yeah, well same deal with cable...
[10:52:00] SlicerDicer-: I just dont get it... year after year nothing changes just the same ole unstability
[10:53:00] Bhaal: Theyve been having a bad run with routing lately... established connections are fine, but the rest is dead ... that kind thing... But we dont notice it as much now, only live traffic goes via bigpond and proxy/ftp/etc goes via optus..
[10:53:00] SlicerDicer-: and then john howard says that they need to bring the bush up to scratch before telstra can be sold FUCK the bush fix the unstability and then do the bush when things are working correctly lol.... its just piling a mess ontop of a mess to make a giant mess....
[10:53:00] Bhaal: Indeed
[10:53:00] Bhaal: hehe
[10:53:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah I watch AFL from the states and sometimes its murder
[10:53:00] Bhaal: So you from .au or ?
[10:53:00] SlicerDicer-: the dropped packets are so bad
[10:53:00] SlicerDicer-: well I live both in AU and US
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[10:54:00] Bhaal: Sounds like fun? Work or woman related? :)
[10:54:00] SlicerDicer-: I am from USA though :)
[10:54:00] SlicerDicer-: work :)
[10:55:00] Bhaal: fairymuff
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[10:55:00] SlicerDicer-: so you must be in one of the major cities getting cable
[11:00:00] Bhaal: Brisbane
[11:01:00] Bhaal: About 15mins drive from the city..
[11:03:00] SlicerDicer-: ipswitch :P
[11:03:00] SlicerDicer-: god what a hellhole sorry lol
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[11:04:00] SlicerDicer-: I am about a hour and half north of sydney when there anyway
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[11:14:00] rah[work]: how do I select different video output drivers?
[11:15:00] rah[work]: eg, directfb?
[11:32:00] Bhaal: no idea
[11:32:00] Bhaal: SlicerDicer-: Still about?
[11:32:00] Bhaal: Im getting there
[11:32:00] Bhaal: HcwMakoA.ROM <-- where does I get that file?
[11:32:00] Bhaal: I did do the ivtvfw perl script thingo...
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[11:46:00] abcde: What is SIScan?
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[11:52:00] vjacob: hmm any of you own any mp3 player that isn't an iPod/iRiver and costs $$$?
[11:53:00] rah[work]: I've got a smartphone with an mp3 player
[11:53:00] rah[work]: hmm
[11:53:00] rah[work]:
[11:54:00] vjacob: :)
[11:54:00] vjacob: i've used a symbian phone for mp3/ogg
[11:54:00] vjacob: but I stopped using the phone
[11:56:00] rah[work]: ah
[11:57:00] rah[work]: that's what I'm doing :)
[11:57:00] rah[work]: what ogg player were you using?
[11:57:00] vjacob: oggplay
[11:57:00] rah[work]: hmm
[11:57:00] rah[work]: that took up too much cpujuice for me
[11:58:00] vjacob: yeah it sucks battery
[11:58:00] vjacob: too
[11:58:00] vjacob: but it works
[11:58:00] vjacob: it's not loud enough though
[11:58:00] vjacob: on an n-gage
[11:59:00] vjacob: bbiab,gonnaread uponspecs
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[15:12:00] tbutzon: howdy. (#ivtv seems dead or i wouldn't ask this here.) i'm having trouble getting the test picture to show up on my pvr-350. linux 2.6.11.11. ivtv-0.2.0 (rc3j). composite output. dmesg output at http://pissonem.net/20050707085957-ivtv-dmesg.txt ... when the modules load, the screen turns bright green, then to a static-ish pattern, not color bars
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[15:18:00] tbutzon: any ideas? or a better place to ask?
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[15:48:00] GeckoFiend: when did they add a test image to ivtv?
[15:49:00] GreyFoxx: You can make it display colour bars, have been for years
[15:50:00] GeckoFiend: heh I never knew that. Always just hooked it up and tested with a real image.
[15:50:00] GreyFoxx: heh
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[16:04:00] defaultro: GOod morning GreyFoxx
[16:05:00] defaultro: anyhere plays .iso files?
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[17:34:00] ** Beirdo watches the tumbleweed blow by **
[17:34:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[17:34:00] Beirdo: I think people must be enjoying summer or something
[17:35:00] GreyFoxx: I wish I was right now :)
[17:36:00] GreyFoxx: Unfortunately I'm the only one in my department this week
[17:36:00] Beirdo: ouch
[17:36:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[17:36:00] GreyFoxx: 1 on vacation, another at a client site, etc etc
[17:36:00] GreyFoxx: I was sick this morning and normally wouldn't have come to work
[17:36:00] Beirdo: one off screwing his neighbour..
[17:36:00] GreyFoxx: but I didn't want to leave noone here
[17:36:00] Beirdo: oh wait.
[17:42:00] GreyFoxx: yay, more mythgame feedback to reply too
[17:42:00] CyberKnet: now now.
[17:43:00] Beirdo: Heya, CyberKnet
[17:50:00] Chutt: greyfoxx, i had fixed the missing bracket warnings last night, lemme check that in
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: Thanks
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[17:54:00] ManagedGI: Hi
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[18:08:00] rsdvd: Hi – are there any UK DVB-T (freeview) users in today – Please?
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[18:12:00] braniff: so i was thinking about going out to buy a PVR 150 today (w/ remote and ir blaster)......any thoughts on the 150 ??
[18:14:00] rsdvd: braniff: I have a PVR-150 and it works fine.....I don't have any other PVR card to compare it woth but I am happy with it (now the Nova-T DVB card is a different matter)
[18:14:00] braniff: rsdvd, well that's positive. Does your 150 have the remote and ir blaster ?
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[18:16:00] rsdvd: yes...it is the NON-MCE version......the recieveer part works fine under lirc......but it also has a tramsmitter for connecting to a set-top box...this do;t seem to work thought he linux drievrs
[18:18:00] braniff: ok, thanks for the info — i already have channel changing covered in my MythTV box anyway, so driver problems connecting to settop box won't matter for me
[18:19:00] rsdvd: how do you handle the channel changing (Just out of interest)
[18:20:00] braniff: i have DirectTV satellite service, with an old model reciever that accepts a serial cable. I made my own cable to run from my Myth box to the reciever to change channels
[18:21:00] rsdvd: I wish I had the option.....I use Sky satellite (UK) and I have had to buy a serial connector and it is very slow
[18:21:00] braniff: it would have been easier to shell out the money for some kind of IR blaster setup, but the cable cost me time and about $5 US
[18:23:00] rsdvd: :-) cheaper and neter than something stuck to the set-top box
[18:23:00] braniff: yes : )
[18:24:00] braniff: anyway, off i go to purchase a non-mce 150
[18:24:00] rsdvd: Have fun
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[19:04:00] rsdvd: Good Evening one and all.......are there any UK DVB-T (Freeview) users in this evening?
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[20:16:00] iznogood: I'm trying to use mythdvd
[20:16:00] Beirdo: good for you
[20:16:00] Beirdo: :)
[20:16:00] iznogood: but mplayer always crashes
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[20:16:00] Kronuz: hello
[20:16:00] iznogood: It says MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: demux_open
[20:16:00] Kronuz: hey
[20:16:00] iznogood: any ideas?
[20:16:00] Kronuz: can the frontend be compiled under windows?
[20:17:00] Beirdo: that means it had a segmentation fault
[20:17:00] Beirdo: likely compiled with bad options like the wrong CPU
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[20:17:00] Mousey: ok, wth
[20:17:00] ** kormoc sorta wants to write a frontned in SDL **
[20:17:00] Mousey: WHY IS IT ALL STATIC!!
[20:17:00] iznogood: I got the debian package mplayer-586
[20:17:00] ** Mousey *pouts* **
[20:17:00] iznogood: I have a P4
[20:17:00] Beirdo: Mousey: because you did something wrong, likely
[20:17:00] iznogood: should I get a different one?
[20:17:00] kormoc: Mousey, watching fox?
[20:18:00] Mousey: ha ha, funny people
[20:18:00] Mousey: ^_^
[20:18:00] Mousey: it's all saa7127's fault i know it
[20:18:00] Beirdo: iznogood: well the one you have isn't working
[20:18:00] iznogood: figured as much
[20:18:00] Chutt: heh, scary
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[20:18:00] Chutt: this box can decode + deinterlace 1080i with cool'n'quiet turned fully on (cpu speed cut in half)
[20:19:00] Beirdo: nice
[20:19:00] Kronuz: Chutt: you know if mythtv can be compiled under windows?
[20:19:00] Chutt: try it and see
[20:19:00] kormoc: Kronuz, google winmyth
[20:19:00] Kronuz: hmm
[20:19:00] Mousey: why does it work fine if i don't use the TV out on the PVR-350, but when i set it up for framebuffer mode, the X server works fine, but the Tuner is all static???
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[20:20:00] zuralin: ivtv-fb might be messed up
[20:20:00] kormoc: Chutt, would you happen to know how nasty it would be to try to SDL the frontend?
[20:20:00] Kronuz: but winmyth uses different sourcecode, right?
[20:20:00] Chutt: uh, sdl it?
[20:20:00] kormoc: Kronuz, indeed, and why would that be?
[20:20:00] kormoc: Chutt, SDL is a crossplatform display lib.
[20:20:00] Mousey: zuralin: so ivtv-fb works fine if i don't use it as an X server, but if it do, it eats my Tuner?
[20:20:00] Chutt: no it's not
[20:20:00] kormoc: ooh?
[20:20:00] Kronuz: kormoc: why would I want to compile it under windows?
[20:20:00] ** kormoc scratches his head. **
[20:21:00] Chutt: so's qt, if you want to call sdl one
[20:21:00] zuralin: if your using an xserver ivtv-fb wouldnt be used
[20:21:00] kormoc: Kronuz, why would there be a second project just for windows if it worked as is?
[20:21:00] Kronuz: SDL works under windows too (as well as qt) afaik
[20:21:00] Chutt: winmyth doesn't use the myth codebase because the author of winmyth doesn't know what he's doing
[20:21:00] Mousey: zuralin: ivtv-fb =has= to be used if it's going to be an xserver
[20:22:00] kormoc: Chutt, " Simple DirectMedia Layer is a cross-platform multimedia library designed to provide low level access to audio, keyboard, mouse, joystick, 3D hardware via OpenGL, and 2D video framebuffer."
[20:22:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[20:22:00] kormoc: tis what they claim at least
[20:22:00] Chutt: and qt does all that.
[20:22:00] Chutt: crazy, huh
[20:22:00] Kronuz: yeah, probably ivtv support wouldn't work under windows, but everything else should
[20:22:00] zuralin: Mousey, i run it via an xserver and ivtv-fb is not used
[20:22:00] Beirdo: only in a more trolltech way :)
[20:22:00] Chutt: well, except for the joystick stuff
[20:22:00] Mousey: zuralin: on a PVR-350? and mythfrontend running on your TV?
[20:22:00] Chutt: and video abstraction, but sdl's video stuff sucks anyway
[20:22:00] kormoc: I was under the impression that QT didn't do any hardware accelleration.
[20:23:00] zuralin: dual pvr-250
[20:23:00] zuralin: and yes it is running on my tv
[20:23:00] Chutt: sure it does
[20:23:00] Mousey: you use tv-out on the PVR250 or on your video card?
[20:23:00] zuralin: ohhh
[20:23:00] zuralin: video card
[20:23:00] Mousey: yes
[20:23:00] Mousey: that's the difference then
[20:23:00] Kronuz: hmm... I think I'll try to compile mythtv under windows
[20:23:00] Chutt: you'll need qt 3.x for windows
[20:23:00] zuralin: still your not using a framebuffer if its in the xserver
[20:23:00] Chutt: or use the mingw stuff with an x server
[20:24:00] Mousey: you have to if you want to use the card's tv-out
[20:24:00] Mousey: not for mplayer, but certainly for myth
[20:24:00] Mousey: the difference is, mplayer's video is on the video card, and myth uses tvout on my pvr card for tv.. without ivtv-fb, tvout on the pvr card doesn't display anything
[20:24:00] Kronuz: if I could make it compile under windows I could start working on it faster (I'm more used to windows programming)
[20:25:00] Kronuz: :)
[20:27:00] Kronuz: anyway, I was reading the MythUI code, and I was left with the question.... will it work with or without the QT (for the video stuff)?
[20:27:00] Chutt: uses qt
[20:27:00] Chutt: which is rather obvious
[20:27:00] Kronuz: 'cause I saw some things about leaving QT out (or to use FB, or something)
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[20:28:00] Kronuz: (not reallyu out, tho')
[20:28:00] Chutt: err
[20:28:00] Chutt: no
[20:28:00] Chutt: it still uses qt
[20:28:00] Kronuz: let me see what it was that left me with the impression of it not using QT (ot being optional)
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[20:30:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: Didn't you ask all of this recently? You wanted to get rid of X + QT or something like that cause you felt they were an added burden ?
[20:31:00] Kronuz: not really, I was asking a different thing
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[20:32:00] Beirdo: qt ain't optional.
[20:32:00] Beirdo: if you wanna get rid of qt, you're on your own, and good luck :)
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[20:35:00] Kronuz: is what's in the MythUI self-contained?
[20:35:00] Chutt: no
[20:36:00] Kronuz: 'cause if I'm porting mythtv to windows, I thing it would be better to start with MythUI, don't you think? :)
[20:36:00] Chutt: no
[20:36:00] Chutt: that should work just fine.
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: Are you looking to port the entire thing or just the frontend ?
[20:37:00] Kronuz: just the frontend
[20:37:00] Kronuz: (for now)
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: Shouldn't be impossible
[20:37:00] Kronuz: then I could start working on adding new stuff to mythtv :)
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: I goofed with it before the windows dev box I was using went away.
[20:38:00] Kronuz: (I work a lot faster under windows, as bad as it sounds :(
[20:38:00] Kronuz: (I'm more used to it)
[20:38:00] Chutt: why?
[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: Then you need to use *nix more often :)
[20:38:00] Chutt: the code's the same
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[20:38:00] Kronuz: yeah, but the tools are different and the commands
[20:38:00] Chutt: i'm certainly not going to accept windows-only features
[20:38:00] Chutt: what, like 'make'
[20:38:00] Chutt: ?
[20:39:00] Kronuz: the visual shit
[20:39:00] Chutt: you do know that similar ides exist in linux, right?
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: vi is all you need :)
[20:40:00] Kronuz: Chutt: I know, but I just feel more comfortable working under windows (yet)
[20:40:00] Kronuz: Chutt: I don't want to add windows specific stuff, just things for porting it and then improvements for both platforms
[20:41:00] Kronuz: ('cause I would program under windows and use it in my linux box)
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[20:45:00] Kronuz: you think QT 4.0 would work to compile mythtv?
[20:48:00] Kronuz: I'm going to have to try, 'cause I can't find QT 3 for windows :S
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[20:52:00] Kronuz: oh, this is what left me with the impression of MythUI not using QT for painting: class MythOpenGLPainter and class MythQtPainter
[20:56:00] hadees: so when are these damn lxrsuite guys going to give me a new plugin
[20:57:00] Beirdo: patience....
[20:57:00] Kronuz: plugin for what?
[20:57:00] rah: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005 . . . owaywary.htm
[20:57:00] rah: "Galloway Wary Of Staged Terror Attack As Pretext For Iran Invasion"
[20:58:00] rah: June 1 2005
[20:58:00] Beirdo: blah
[20:58:00] Beirdo: politics--
[20:58:00] rah: its not politics dude
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[20:58:00] Beirdo: yes it is
[20:58:00] rah: it's fucking citizenry
[20:58:00] mishehu: #politikwak
[20:59:00] Beirdo: then fuck your citizenry in your own bedroom where it belongs :)
[20:59:00] ** Beirdo is decidedly anti-political right now :) **
[20:59:00] rah: the dead people have put me off fucking
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[21:00:00] Beirdo: people die every day
[21:00:00] rah: they aren't blown to bits
[21:00:00] Beirdo: many many thousands of them
[21:00:00] Beirdo: sure they are
[21:00:00] rah: they aren't blown to bits in london
[21:01:00] hadees: rah, yeah much worse ways like starving to death, atleast when your blown up you don't really have a chance to know what is happening
[21:01:00] rah: they aren't blown to bits in london by the same people that are telling us some terrorists did it
[21:01:00] Beirdo: they are more often than almost any other city
[21:01:00] rah: they aren't blown to bits in london by the same people that are telling us some terrorists did it and starting a war on the back of it
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[21:01:00] Beirdo: blah
[21:01:00] rah: "blah"?
[21:01:00] Beirdo: politics...
[21:01:00] rah: BLAH!?
[21:01:00] hadees: rah, wait are you saying the government planted the bombs?
[21:01:00] rah: jesus fucking christ
[21:02:00] hadees: superstar
[21:02:00] Chutt: cut the offtopic junk.
[21:02:00] Beirdo: if you are gonna start being offensive, I'm gonna start banning
[21:02:00] rah: hadees: I say the military-industrial complex perpetrated the bombings
[21:02:00] rah: hadees: the same miltary-industrial complex that has governments, include the British, under its thumb
[21:02:00] Chutt: again, cut the offtopic junk.
[21:02:00] ChanServ sets mode +o Beirdo
[21:02:00] rah: ok
[21:03:00] Beirdo sets mode -o Beirdo
[21:03:00] hadees: rah, really i always though it was a misinterpration of what jihad means
[21:03:00] rah: hey
[21:03:00] hadees: anyway
[21:03:00] rah: I was using myth to watch the news 24 reports about it :)
[21:03:00] Rhapsody2: i have my recording volume formatted as JFS, should my live TV buffer be JFS or is ext3 fine?
[21:03:00] Beirdo: some off-topic is usually tolerated, but not stuff that's just gonna piss people off, OK?
[21:03:00] hadees: so i was thinking of using ldap
[21:03:00] hadees: for a home network
[21:04:00] hadees: anyone here using ldap on mythtv boxs
[21:04:00] hadees: and their other computers
[21:04:00] Beirdo: nope
[21:04:00] kormoc: I used ldap once
[21:04:00] kormoc: it kicked my ass :)
[21:04:00] Beirdo: I tried once way back
[21:05:00] Beirdo: got it working with no TLS
[21:05:00] Beirdo: which is unacceptable
[21:05:00] Beirdo: so I gave up
[21:05:00] kormoc: we couldn't get it going with a mixed network of win2k/linux and xp boxes. all windows was fine, all linux was fine, mixed was a nogo
[21:06:00] Rhapsody2: would jfs or ext3 be better for a live TV buffer, and should the buffer have its own dedicated partition?
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[21:07:00] Beirdo: xfs or jfs are better for large files than ext3
[21:08:00] Beirdo: deletion time is way better
[21:08:00] Beirdo: which is important when changing channels in livetv mode
[21:08:00] Rhapsody2: ok, what should i make the mount point?
[21:09:00] Beirdo: whatever you want, it's your filesystem
[21:09:00] Rhapsody2: ok ;-)
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[21:10:00] Rhapsody2: i have software RAID for two 200GB drives for recording, should i use LVM also?
[21:11:00] Beirdo: up to you, might make things easier later
[21:11:00] Beirdo: and you can split the 200G up
[21:12:00] CyberKnet: might make things a little riskier.
[21:12:00] Beirdo: not at all
[21:12:00] CyberKnet: of course, you probably already know that.
[21:12:00] Beirdo: LVM on top of RAID?
[21:12:00] CyberKnet: oh.
[21:12:00] ** Beirdo slaps CyberKnet with a trout **
[21:12:00] ** CyberKnet shuts up **
[21:12:00] Beirdo: wake up
[21:12:00] ** CyberKnet slaps himself with a large trout **
[21:12:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:12:00] CyberKnet: too much work
[21:12:00] Rhapsody2: alright i think i will just stick with the RAID
[21:13:00] CyberKnet: Rhapsody2: please ignore my enormously incorrect observation. it would be no more risky.
[21:13:00] Beirdo: LVM alone would be more risky
[21:13:00] Rhapsody2: well i have never used it before, i don't think i need it
[21:13:00] Beirdo: which is what I use, BTW
[21:13:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: You don't have anything recorded that you'd miss too much if you lost it though, right? =)
[21:14:00] Beirdo: pretty much
[21:14:00] CyberKnet: yep.
[21:14:00] Beirdo: other stuff is on the LVM too, but if it's important, I back it up
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[21:14:00] Beirdo: and this is 4*200G + 1*160G Seagate, all fairly new
[21:14:00] Beirdo: so I have a bit of time before I need to get worried
[21:14:00] Rhapsody2: if i wanted to keep something i'd likely copy it to one of my eMac's external hard drives
[21:14:00] Beirdo: at which point, I'll redo it
[21:15:00] CyberKnet: LVM'd raid is good. RAID'ed LVM is okay, but not quite as good.
[21:15:00] Beirdo: LVM rules
[21:15:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:15:00] Beirdo: losing an entire PV... sucks
[21:15:00] CyberKnet: heh =)
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[21:15:00] CyberKnet: I can't think why anyone would want to use raid'ed lvm.
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[21:16:00] Beirdo: yeah, that would be odd
[21:16:00] CyberKnet: very.
[21:16:00] CyberKnet: I can't see the scenario where you would do that at all.
[21:16:00] Beirdo: I can
[21:16:00] Rhapsody2: i think i will just stick with RAID formatted as JFS
[21:16:00] Beirdo: when you have an LVM and want to do it over or something
[21:17:00] Beirdo: be a dumb way to do it though
[21:17:00] Beirdo: just use LVM to do it :)
[21:17:00] CyberKnet: if you had two 120GB drives, and you came into two 60GB drives, I guess you might want to.
[21:17:00] Rhapsody2: is the nv-tv-out module the best way to get TV out on an nVidia card?
[21:18:00] Beirdo: dunno, I don't currently use nVidia
[21:19:00] Rhapsody2: i was going to use a radeon until i found i had to recompile the x windowing system
[21:19:00] Beirdo: huh?
[21:19:00] Beirdo: no you don't
[21:19:00] Rhapsody2: with Gatos?
[21:19:00] Beirdo: I never had to yet. I don't use gatos
[21:19:00] Rhapsody2: how did u do it?
[21:20:00] Beirdo: I use the ATI-provided drivers
[21:20:00] Rhapsody2: ATI provides drivers for linux?
[21:20:00] Beirdo: which works OK (but is finnicky) for Radeon 8500 and above
[21:20:00] Beirdo: yes
[21:20:00] Beirdo: did you even bother to look on their site?
[21:20:00] Rhapsody2: no...
[21:21:00] Beirdo: I used a 9200SE for almost 2 years, and a 9600 Pro ever since
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[21:22:00] Beirdo: next will be nVidia 6600GT if I ever rebuild the PVR
[21:23:00] Rhapsody2: well it looks like i am putting back my radeon 9000
[21:23:00] Beirdo: worth a try
[21:23:00] Beirdo: the ATI drivers are picky bastards, but once they work, they do a decent job
[21:23:00] Beirdo: unless you want HDTV, then just forget it right now :)
[21:24:00] Rhapsody2: i would use DVI then, no?
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[21:24:00] Beirdo: well, it's the scaling to HDTV resolutions, etc. the ATI cards/drivers seem to suck at it from all reports
[21:25:00] Beirdo: at least the way they are now
[21:25:00] Beirdo: which is a shame, the cards are at least as good as the co-released nVidia cards
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[21:26:00] Rhapsody2: should i update linux and its packages before or after installing the ATI drivers?
[21:26:00] Beirdo: before
[21:26:00] Rhapsody2: k
[21:26:00] Beirdo: every time you change the kernel, you need to recompile the module part of their drivers
[21:26:00] Beirdo: similar to nVidia's drivers, I think
[21:26:00] emes: does anyone know why udev 058 sets /dev/v4l/video0 to root:sys 600?
[21:27:00] Beirdo: udev can talk to the finger
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[21:37:00] lucas3333: can anyone remind me what the magic trick is to have mysql let mythtv login from a remote machine? I have my mythtv mysql user set to be allowed from any host.
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[21:38:00] ** xris is cool **
[21:38:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:38:00] GreyFoxx: lucas3333: Did you run flush privileges; or restart mysqld after adding/changing the user info ?
[21:38:00] xris: such cool ideas, amazing no one else has started using them extensively.
[21:39:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:39:00] xris: http://cooktools.forevermore.net/test (look at the autorows="40" attribute on the textarea, or the fact that there's no mouseover on the login link, but it still sets the statusbar text)
[21:39:00] GreyFoxx: And of course I assume your Mysql is listening for remote connections
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[21:39:00] xris: afk, lunchtime.
[21:40:00] lucas3333: greyfoxx, I restarted mysqld.. excuse my mysql ignorance, how do I verify I have it listening for remote connections?
[21:40:00] Beirdo: netstat -tan | grep 3306
[21:40:00] GreyFoxx: what he typed
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[21:41:00] lucas3333: I guess if that comes up empty it means this is the problem.
[21:41:00] Beirdo: yup
[21:41:00] GreyFoxx: yes :)
[21:41:00] lucas3333: nice :)
[21:41:00] Beirdo: skip networking is likely in your my.cnf
[21:41:00] GreyFoxx: Check for a my.cnf and look for "skip-networking". Remove it or comment it out and restart mysqld
[21:41:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:43:00] braniff: what's the best way to diagnose a "no signal" problem with the pvr 150 ?
[21:44:00] lucas3333: this echoing help function is great btw :p
[21:44:00] braniff: tvtime reports "no signal" and mythtv gives a bunch of fast-moving red lines in the output
[21:46:00] braniff: do xawtv and tvtime even work with the pvr 150 ?
[21:46:00] GreyFoxx: branin: No they don't
[21:46:00] lucas3333: <blushes> checked the netstat of the wrong machine.. all these terminals lookalike.. it is listening on 3306, connections still fail.
[21:47:00] GreyFoxx: lucas3333: What exactly is returned by the netstat/grep ?
[21:47:00] lucas3333: tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
[21:47:00] braniff: GreyFoxx, well that explains some things : )
[21:47:00] GreyFoxx: Ok, and your stuff is connecting to 192.168.1.10 I assume from the other machines
[21:48:00] GreyFoxx: can you use the mysql client to do it? mysql -h 192.168.1.10 -umythtv -mythtv mythconverg
[21:48:00] GreyFoxx: (from the other system)(
[21:48:00] lucas3333: yes. I tried to set my mysql user up as mythtv@localhost , mythtv@192.168.1.10 and mythtv@tux
[21:48:00] lucas3333: nope, I'm testing with both the mysql client, and mythtv-setup
[21:49:00] GreyFoxx: paste to me exactly what it says when you try it with the mysql client
[21:49:00] lucas3333: hey, it works.
[21:49:00] GreyFoxx: heh or not
[21:49:00] GreyFoxx: :)
[21:49:00] Beirdo: it says
[21:49:00] Beirdo: mysql>
[21:49:00] lucas3333: mysql client works.. syntax error in how I called it...
[21:49:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:49:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:50:00] lucas3333: mythtv-setup also works.. I now wonder what change did the trick.
[21:51:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:51:00] lucas3333: thanks a lot guys, its these thingsthatshouldbesimple_andaresimple_butIcantgetittowork things that annoy me most.
[21:51:00] Beirdo: they can be a royal pain at times
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[21:52:00] Beirdo: xris: your parser ate the ) on the dark ale line, BTW
[21:53:00] braniff: which mythfrontend->setup->..->MPEG-2 Encoders->"Stream Type" should be used for the pvr 150 ??
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[21:55:00] ** Beirdo shrugs **
[21:55:00] Beirdo: I'd expect MPEG2-PS
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[21:58:00] sphing: anyone successfully load myth on xbox
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[22:01:00] braniff: i think my Input Connections settings are wrong... — Is "Tuner 0" the coaxial cable input on hauppauge PVR cards ?
[22:02:00] Beirdo: AFAIK
[22:02:00] braniff: okay
[22:03:00] CyberKnet: brainiff: it wasn't on mine, iirc
[22:03:00] CyberKnet: brainiff: I believe i used input 6 or so
[22:04:00] CyberKnet: that was on a 500 though.
[22:04:00] ** CyberKnet wonders about the intelligence of himself giving advice **
[22:04:00] CyberKnet: I'd say you *really* want a second opinion though.
[22:04:00] braniff: i need all the advice i can get heh
[22:04:00] ** braniff just bought a pvr 150 **
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[22:05:00] xris: Beirdo: guess I'll have to make the parser smarter again
[22:05:00] Beirdo: just thought you might wanna know in case you missed it :)
[22:05:00] Beirdo: it's looking good
[22:06:00] xris: need to get node creation code working, then I can get the account stuff working.
[22:06:00] xris: then it should be reasonably done.
[22:14:00] braniff: CyberKnet, if you used the coaxial input on your pvr 150, in mythtvsetup, did you pick one of the "Composite" inputs ??
[22:14:00] CyberKnet: braniff: No, I picked a "Tuner" input.
[22:14:00] CyberKnet: braniff: but my brain hurts too much to remember which :|
[22:14:00] CyberKnet: braniff: let me check my capturecard table.
[22:14:00] braniff: ok
[22:15:00] CyberKnet: remember I said you would want a 'second opinion'?
[22:15:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[22:15:00] Beirdo: yeah, one that's right? ;)
[22:15:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:16:00] ** Beirdo hides **
[22:16:00] CyberKnet: Yes.
[22:16:00] CyberKnet: One that is right.
[22:16:00] braniff: heh
[22:16:00] CyberKnet: use Tuner 0 dude.
[22:16:00] ** braniff tries Tuner 0 **
[22:17:00] CyberKnet: my sincere apologies.
[22:17:00] CyberKnet: I really shouldn't be giving advice.
[22:17:00] xris: man, I have so much new stuff to add to mythweb now.
[22:17:00] xris: tiny stuff, but it'll make templating so much easier.
[22:18:00] Chutt: you've got a lot of stuff in trac, too :p
[22:18:00] xris: I know.
[22:18:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:18:00] xris: been working on other stuff.
[22:18:00] Beirdo: no weekend for you!
[22:18:00] xris: well, and watching babylon5 with my wife.
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[22:23:00] braniff: well, i get nothing but static. i think Tuner 0 is right, and that there is some other problem
[22:23:00] braniff: for instance, lirc throws an error "lirc_init failed..."
[22:23:00] braniff: is lirc required for pvr 150 ?
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[22:28:00] kevin_a: hello folks.. wondering if you might be able to help with a problem...
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[22:28:00] Beirdo: possibly
[22:28:00] Beirdo: if it's a psychological thing, then no.
[22:29:00] kevin_a: using mythtv 18.1 / ivtv / running on a via mini itx.. watching live tv, lots of disk thrashing...
[22:29:00] hadees: thrashing?
[22:29:00] epoch: get more ram?
[22:29:00] kevin_a: got 512MB DDR
[22:29:00] hadees: is dma on
[22:30:00] kevin_a: problem disappears if i 'record' what i'm watching at the same time...
[22:30:00] kevin_a: dma is on
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[22:30:00] kormoc: when you delete things, does it thrash?
[22:31:00] kevin_a: no, not that i have noticed (the HDD is kinda loud)
[22:32:00] kormoc: odd
[22:33:00] kevin_a: it is, isn't it? i don't remember this being an issue when i ran knoppmyth – but i've started again from scratch with debian sid..
[22:33:00] kevin_a: oh, i've compiled mythtv from scratch..
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[22:35:00] ManagedGI: Can anyone help me with MythTV, DVB and gentoo (kernel 2.6)
[22:35:00] ManagedGI: can't compile it with useflag DVB. get the following error: "Makefile:102: /lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r8/build/Rules.make: No such file or directory"
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[22:37:00] kevin_a: haven't had any eperience with DVB, but error above looks like it's looking for kernel sources? (build pointing to /usr/src/linux-...)
[22:38:00] Beirdo: "if you don't like what you see here... get the funk out..."
[22:38:00] ManagedGI: kernel source is installed, symlink is /usr/src/linux is created. I have kernel 2.6 with dvb-driver inside... could this be the problem?
[22:38:00] Beirdo: ahhh, good song
[22:40:00] ManagedGI: any idea?
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[22:41:00] Beirdo: dunno, never compiled with DVB
[22:41:00] kevin_a: hmm, not sure. sorry!
[22:42:00] ManagedGI: damn, is there a good howto vor mythtv and dvb? (kernel 2.6)
[22:43:00] MonMotha: ManagedGI: run make oldconfig in your kernel source directory
[22:43:00] Beirdo: likely, google can help with that search
[22:44:00] MonMotha: also ensure that the symlink in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build is correct
[22:46:00] ManagedGI: MonMotha, checked this.. the path is correct :( when i make "make oldconfig", what happens? i get the config from /dev/config.gz !?
[22:46:00] MonMotha: that's fine
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[22:46:00] MonMotha: /dev/config.gz (though I thought it was /proc/config.gz) is the config for your running kernel
[22:47:00] MonMotha: it should just scroll a bunch of stuff, maybe ask you a couple questions (take the default)
[22:47:00] Chutt: heh
[22:47:00] ManagedGI: ok, i made "make oldconfig" and now?
[22:47:00] Chutt: i run out of xv buffers if i try to display 4 1080i streams at once :(
[22:47:00] ManagedGI: hmmm same error MonMotha.. an other idea?
[22:50:00] MonMotha: ManagedGI: is /lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r8/build a symlink to your kernel source tree?
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[22:52:00] ManagedGI: yes: "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 May 23 18:05 build -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.11-gentoo-r8"
[22:52:00] ManagedGI: # pwd
[22:52:00] ManagedGI: /lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r8
[22:52:00] ManagedGI: - /lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r8
[22:53:00] MonMotha: hum, I don't know why it wants a Rules.make
[22:53:00] MonMotha: I built mythtv against my kernel for DVB without that file
[22:54:00] MonMotha: try --enable-dvb=/usr/src/linux/include orwhatever si appropriate
[22:54:00] ManagedGI: but why must i install linuxtv-dvb? i already have the dvb-driver installed/compilied.... i use VDR and everything works fine with the dvb-card
[22:54:00] MonMotha: you have to have mythtv compield against the same DVB headers
[22:56:00] ManagedGI: but i can't use the --enable-dvb option with emerge, or?
[22:56:00] ManagedGI: i try to install mythtv via the packagesystem, not manually
[22:56:00] MonMotha: oh, I have no clue
[22:57:00] MonMotha: I gave up on Gentoo because their package system was constantly being broken
[22:57:00] ManagedGI: what distri. do u have?
[22:57:00] ManagedGI: which
[22:58:00] hadees: MonMotha, thats a gross generalization
[23:00:00] MonMotha: hadees: yes, but that's my opinion
[23:00:00] MonMotha: this was also a couple years ago
[23:00:00] Mousey: =(
[23:00:00] MonMotha: back before ~x86
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[23:00:00] Mousey: Gentoo: http://www.funroll-loops.org
[23:00:00] MonMotha: that's a funny site :)
[23:00:00] MonMotha: and actually, I run debian now
[23:01:00] Mousey: yah
[23:01:00] MonMotha: though it's pretty well beaten over the head at this point
[23:01:00] Mousey: Debian is gentoo without all the waiting
[23:01:00] Beirdo: not even close, but whatever
[23:01:00] Mousey: heh
[23:02:00] Mousey: zealot
[23:02:00] hadees: yeah Debian users are dicks
[23:02:00] hadees: hehe
[23:02:00] Mousey: ...well that's true. =)
[23:02:00] hadees: i just love portage, and the waiting is limited
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[23:02:00] hadees: but do what you want
[23:02:00] hadees: i could care less
[23:03:00] Mousey: yah.. as long as it's linux, who cares
[23:03:00] hadees: hehe, linux isn't the end all either
[23:03:00] MonMotha: I don't really care about the distribution. I ran gentoo for a good while (abotu 1.5 years actually) and just got tired of recompiling mozilla 5 times a day
[23:03:00] Mousey: no.. but as public radio efforts go, it's not bad
[23:03:00] MonMotha: remember, this was before ~x86, so the main stuff changed that quickly
[23:03:00] hadees: MonMotha, why did you recompile Mozilla 5 times aday?
[23:04:00] MonMotha: I've heard it's quite a bit better now
[23:04:00] MonMotha: hadees: because the ebuild changed 5 times one day, and the first 4 didn't work :)
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[23:05:00] hadees: MonMotha, yeah that doesn't happen anymore, usally if the ebuild is broken someone has come up with a fix on the forums in a few hours
[23:05:00] hadees: at most
[23:05:00] hadees: but then again if you know bash scripting you could fix it yourself
[23:05:00] MonMotha: yeah, and I've been told even taht usually is confined to ~x86, which didn't exist back when Iw as running gentoo
[23:05:00] MonMotha: oh, the build script worked fine. The issue was that the otuput of the build was unstable (VERY, unstable)
[23:06:00] hadees: whatever, i love gentoo, go gentoo!!!
[23:06:00] hadees: and i hardly have any problems
[23:07:00] hadees: and don't have to compile 5 times aday
[23:07:00] hadees: i do a system update once a week
[23:07:00] hadees: and that very little time
[23:07:00] Beirdo: my distro has a bigger dick than your distro time is it? :)
[23:07:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:08:00] MonMotha: Beirdo: no, my distro has giant hooters :)
[23:08:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:08:00] hadees: and a big dick, Debian, the distro for hemophrodites
[23:09:00] Beirdo: NP: Extreme – He-Man Woman Hater
[23:09:00] Beirdo: the intro to this song just rules
[23:09:00] Beirdo: flight of the bumblebee on an electric guitar at like 2–3x normal speed
[23:12:00] ** braniff is more of a death-metal-polka fan **
[23:12:00] braniff: nothing like the sound of death metal on 3 accordions heh
[23:12:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:12:00] Beirdo: that would be interesting
[23:12:00] ** kormoc likes rapping to bagpipes. **
[23:13:00] Beirdo: to quote South Park... "Dude, this is really fucked up right here"
[23:13:00] kormoc: well, trance rap with a flair for hip-hop set over bag pipes.
[23:14:00] braniff: that i would like to hear
[23:16:00] MonMotha: wow, my driver built...it's not going to work, but it built
[23:16:00] MonMotha: and the -> operator is officially the best operator ever, just so everyone knows :)
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[23:18:00] kormoc: you could do the -> as ((type)(*class+offset)) no? :P
[23:18:00] Beirdo: ?!
[23:18:00] Beirdo: that's disgusting
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[23:22:00] tuxristo: xris around?
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[23:29:00] xris: always
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[23:30:00] tuxristo: how's it going, i haven't been on the channel in forever
[23:31:00] tuxristo: i am just trying to view:http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . programs.php
[23:31:00] CyberKnet: you're trying to paste?
[23:31:00] tuxristo: looks like it needs php-cli installed?
[23:32:00] xris: tuxristo: yes. isaac won't.
[23:32:00] tuxristo: in any case, does recorded_programs.php still use tables?
[23:32:00] xris: yes, as it should
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[23:32:00] yi__: Hi...
[23:33:00] tuxristo: hmm, i have been thinking about adding AJAX support for recorded programs
[23:33:00] yi__: does anyone know how to get mythtv to display the composite input?
[23:33:00] tuxristo: and i would need to convert the tables to divs for it to work
[23:33:00] yi__: I have a haupauge pvr 150
[23:33:00] xris: why?
[23:34:00] yi__: I want to play PS one games on it :P
[23:34:00] xris: not that I'm against div's, but if you do that, you'd have to redesign the whole layout/
[23:34:00] tuxristo: each listed program would need to be wrapped inside a div with it's own id
[23:34:00] kormoc: tuxristo, what sorta ajax support are you thinking to add?
[23:34:00] xris: doesn't have to.. can id a <tr> too
[23:34:00] tuxristo: i want to make it so that you can delete programs without a page refresh
[23:35:00] kormoc: ahh, that'd be nifty actually.
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[23:35:00] xris: tuxristo: yeah, definitely a cool idea.
[23:35:00] ** kormoc ponders paging without a refresh. **
[23:35:00] Beirdo: oh that would be nice
[23:35:00] tuxristo: and i want new programs to magically appear on the page without a refresh
[23:35:00] xris: something like that has been on my todo list for awhile, but I wanted to standardize an ajax lib for that of thing... esp. for things that just post data.. have a submit_url() function, etc.
[23:36:00] CyberKnet: tuxristo: let's not forget paging the guide data via AJAX
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[23:36:00] Beirdo: no bleach on my webserver, dammit
[23:36:00] xris: tuxristo: better first ajax test would be the program details page.
[23:36:00] xris: btw, if you ever want to browse code, can do it directly with svn: http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins/mythweb/
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[23:37:00] tuxristo: i have been hacking away, customizing a version of cpaint (cpaint.sourceforge.net) for a mambo site of mine
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[23:38:00] tuxristo: i was thinking of using that library, doing straight ajax is a pain in the neck ;)
[23:38:00] CyberKnet: maybe we could get google to overhaul MythWeb
[23:38:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[23:38:00] tuxristo: that's sort of the idea
[23:38:00] tuxristo: lift google like features
[23:38:00] CyberKnet: To entice Google to provide the manpower?
[23:39:00] tuxristo: i have also thought about the guide data
[23:39:00] tuxristo: i want to be able to drag it around like google maps does it
[23:39:00] tuxristo: now that would be really cool
[23:39:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, to get google to hire everyone involve with mythweb to work on it a hour a week in exchange for 100k a year
[23:39:00] CyberKnet: xris: what happened to your avid aversion of requiring Javascript for page operation? =)
[23:39:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: I'm down with that.
[23:40:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: I've submitted two accepted patches, you know =P"
[23:40:00] CyberKnet: heh
[23:40:00] xris: CyberKnet: nothing of what tuxristo has said is "requires"
[23:40:00] ** kormoc laughs **
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[23:40:00] CyberKnet: xris: I guess =)
[23:40:00] tuxristo: there would always be fallbacks to current behavior
[23:40:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: no .NET, get it outta your mind now :)
[23:40:00] mortal5: does anyone have a pvr 250? I'm trying to figure out where the IR cable plugs in ;)
[23:41:00] tuxristo: i was looking at the code, even now the delete operation works without javascript, which i thought was pretty clever
[23:41:00] Beirdo: it plugs into the only hole the plug fits into
[23:41:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: I can't even fathom why you would think I would think of .NET for mythweb. Not even a little bit.
[23:41:00] Beirdo: because you are a .NET tard? :)
[23:41:00] CyberKnet: What part of "I like my myth box stable" do you not understand? =)
[23:41:00] Beirdo: heheh
[23:41:00] Beirdo: touche
[23:41:00] yi__: is it possible to change the video source with mythtv? I cannot figure out how
[23:42:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, ooh, it must have been the "[CyberKnet patch] .NET mythtv/mythweb conversion patch funded by ms" patch?
[23:42:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: roflmao
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[23:43:00] Beirdo: bye, chickenchoker
[23:43:00] Beirdo: errr.. eater
[23:43:00] kormoc: !
[23:43:00] kormoc: I don't wanna know.
[23:43:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: at the same time, that doesn't mean we have to accept his "[Beirdo patch] Ada95 implementation of MythWeb (compilable only on i386, later processors not supported)"
[23:43:00] dougl: ok I have to get a new tv/capture card... is there a list somewhere to check to see what I should buy?
[23:43:00] Beirdo: hah
[23:44:00] CyberKnet: *grin*
[23:44:00] kormoc: dougl, one of the pvr's are the best.
[23:44:00] xris: tuxristo: it gets even better. I have newer/smarter/cleaner code for that kind of stuff
[23:44:00] Beirdo: I shoulda done nuvtools in Ada just to piss you all off
[23:44:00] CyberKnet: lmao
[23:44:00] Beirdo: it would piss me off too though
[23:44:00] Beirdo: it's the most bitchy language ever to get to compile, but is so maintainable after
[23:44:00] CyberKnet: second project written in Ada EVAR written outside of the USA government contracting agencies =P"
[23:45:00] dougl: kormoc: do you know which one has a hardware encoder/decoder on it?
[23:45:00] Beirdo: and you'd all have to install gnat or whatever they called the GNU Ada compiler
[23:45:00] Beirdo: not even close, CyberKnet
[23:45:00] Beirdo: many aerospace things use it
[23:45:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: shut up =)
[23:45:00] kormoc: dougl, the pvr 350
[23:45:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: I thought the e v a r would give away my sarcasm =P"
[23:45:00] dougl: kormoc: thanks
[23:45:00] xris: tuxristo: would have to look at that cpaint stuff before I'd want to include it.
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[23:46:00] xris: ajax hasn't looked very hard when I've poked at it, though
[23:46:00] CyberKnet: here's mchou. I'm sure he has an opinion on this.
[23:46:00] CyberKnet: =)
[23:46:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:46:00] Beirdo: nasty CyberKnet
[23:46:00] ** CyberKnet cheerfully jabs mchou in the ribs **
[23:48:00] yi__: ok one last question... is there a device in /dev/ folder that contains the composite video stream?
[23:49:00] xris: tuxristo: search the page source for js_href : http://cooktools.forevermore.net/test
[23:49:00] tuxristo: xris: no problem, if done right, one should be able to change from cpaint to sajax, or a custom library later on
[23:49:00] yi__: I see video0 video24 and video32 but video is the only one I can dump to a file and playback with mplayer
[23:49:00] yi__: it's the TV
[23:49:00] xris: tuxristo: well, it's also a matter of figuring out how to best handle it from within mythweb itself, too.. like if there should be a new file for handling ajax requests to delete stuff, etc.
[23:50:00] tuxristo: xris, see my post to http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=51191 for the code to my custom cpaint calls
[23:50:00] kormoc: yi__, when you set the card to record off of the composite input, /dev/video0 will then show the composite picture.
[23:51:00] yi__: ahhh ok..
[23:51:00] yi__: but how do I do that :P
[23:51:00] yi__: with mythtv
[23:51:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: You know, I'd settle just a hair over half what you were suggesting offer =P"
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[23:51:00] CyberKnet: s/offer/google offer/
[23:52:00] ** CyberKnet can think of nothing better than being paid to work on mythweb all day **
[23:52:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, hell, I'd do a hour of work for $50 :P
[23:52:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: lmao
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[23:52:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: well if we're going there, there's no saying what who would do for how little... it's an awful thing =)
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[23:52:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[23:52:00] kormoc: true :P
[23:52:00] Beirdo: you leave the sheep out of this
[23:52:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: you brought them into this!
[23:53:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:53:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: speaking of which, are you done with that one?
[23:53:00] Beirdo: hehe, silly CyberKnet
[23:53:00] CyberKnet: Roast lamb for dinner tonight.
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[23:54:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: despite what the fedex tracking page says, those cards were in their office tuesday afternoon. They're such liars.
[23:54:00] tuxristo: xris, i like the "js_href", it is a lot cleaner
[23:54:00] CyberKnet: I can't believe they sat in tulsa *all day* on wednesday
[23:54:00] xris: tuxristo: it also does window.status() for the title attribute.
[23:55:00] Beirdo: go, Fedex
[23:55:00] Beirdo: poor things were trying to escape Tulsa, and they were stuck there anyways
[23:55:00] CyberKnet: xris: window.status doesn't work in firefox, does it?
[23:55:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, yeah... tis okay. I dislike fedex at times :P
[23:55:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: yeah, it sucks.
[23:56:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: I should have gone UPS =)
[23:56:00] jedix: hrm
[23:56:00] jedix: anyone have an hd3000?
[23:56:00] xris: CyberKnet: why wouldn't it?
[23:56:00] xris: there's an option to disable it. forget if it's on/off by default, though.
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[23:57:00] xris: probably off...
[23:57:00] CyberKnet: xris: Hmm... I thought it was off by default
[23:57:00] tuxristo: this will come in handy: http://cooktools.forevermore.net/js/visibility.js
[23:57:00] xris: tuxristo: :)
[23:57:00] xris: yeah. more stuff that I thought people would have written before. much smarter show/hide code than anything else I'd seen.
[23:58:00] kormoc: hey, I know that file!
[23:58:00] yi__: I can only select channels to record under the recording options
[23:58:00] yi__: it won't let me select composite
[23:58:00] kormoc: yi__, in mythsetup, you have to setup the composite thing iirc.
[23:58:00] xris: it's good being in charge of the code at work. I get to decide what can and can't be released GPL (or in the case of some of this stuff, I license non-gpl versions of my own stuff to work)
[23:58:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: oh? =)
[23:59:00] yi__: oh thanks!
[23:59:00] jedix: are there any cards that support digital cable capture?
[23:59:00] yi__: yeah my buddy has one
[23:59:00] yi__: they're expensive
[23:59:00] xris: jedix: air2pc and pchdtv do QAM, but the chances of your having unencrypted digital cable are slim.

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