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Sunday, July 3rd, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] poonj: ashlar: I think that could be..
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[00:17:00] rah: [311]: so I have to run a mythtv-backend on the second?
[00:17:00] rah: err
[00:17:00] rah: s/so/do/
[00:18:00] stoffel: no, that's what the frontend is for
[00:20:00] rah: I see
[00:20:00] rah: is mythtv-setup used in a frontend-only system?
[00:21:00] stoffel: no, only on backends
[00:22:00] stoffel: all a frontend needs is a correct mysql.txt. this will be created by the frontend if it doesn't find one.
[00:22:00] rsilvergun: Hi, anyone play around with those ir to FM transmitters and know how well the work in practice?
[00:24:00] rah: k
[00:24:00] rah: cheers
[00:25:00] [311]: if i have the wrong frequency selected, will i just get coloured static?
[00:26:00] [311]: i guess not
[00:26:00] [311]: ive tried us-cable, us-cable-hrc and none work
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[00:51:00] roam: is there a way to import a channels.conf into mythtv?
[00:53:00] honey: channels.conf-import perl script, roam
[00:54:00] honey: certainly used to be in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-*/contrib/ or in the source
[00:54:00] honey: hmm, where did it go
[00:57:00] honey: well, anyway, when you find it, it'll write you an sql script
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[01:01:00] roam: honey: It's not on my system.
[01:02:00] Ashlar: roam, then go get the source for myth and look under /contrib
[01:02:00] honey: nor my 0.18 installation. was there in an older one
[01:02:00] honey: Ashlar, i don't see it in 0.18
[01:02:00] Ashlar: hrmm
[01:03:00] honey: although, im not looking at the clean source tarball, i confess
[01:03:00] Ashlar: yah, other -src packages don't include all the stuff from the mythtv.org website
[01:03:00] rah: rah@orchid mythtv $ ls contrib/channels.conf-import
[01:03:00] rah: ls: contrib/channels.conf-import: No such file or directory
[01:04:00] roam: I will check 0.15
[01:04:00] roam: hang on
[01:04:00] Ashlar: ../usr/local/bin/channels.conf-import.pl
[01:04:00] honey: Ashlar, i'd expect it to be in my /usr/share/docs, unless the paclager went insane
[01:04:00] Ashlar: (on my knoppmyth system)
[01:04:00] rah: how can I clean the mythtv tree?
[01:05:00] honey: hmm thanks, I'll hunt. i need it too )
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[01:05:00] Ashlar: rah, 'make clean' removes all the compiled programs, .o, etc
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[01:07:00] rah: Ashlar: how do I clean the makefiles?
[01:07:00] rah: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.
[01:07:00] rah: make[2]: Leaving directory `/store/rah/proj/mythtv/libs/libavcodec'
[01:07:00] Ashlar: hrmm.. not sure what you're asking?
[01:07:00] Ashlar: ahh.. qmake foo.pro
[01:08:00] Ashlar: ie, if it were mythtv, qmake mythtv.pro
[01:08:00] SaucE`: Anyone here successfully configure KnoppMyth using a ATI TV Wonder VE?
[01:09:00] rah: Ashlar: I have to do that for every directory
[01:10:00] honey: Ashlar, tar tvfj mythtv-0.18.1.tar.bz2| grep channels – doesn't find it. it's in another tarball?
[01:10:00] Ashlar: hrmm, shouldn't, no
[01:10:00] Ashlar: honey, let me look around
[01:11:00] honey: Ashlar, sure. i think i had it in a tarball from about 6 months ago.
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[01:12:00] roam: it's not in 0.15 either
[01:12:00] honey: roam, my notes say i found it in 0.16
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[01:13:00] honey: (cvs20041220)
[01:14:00] Ashlar: here, in case you can't find it.. http://www.rowerules.com/mythtv/channels.conf-import.pl
[01:14:00] ethics: howdy all im looking for a script to take my dvds stored on hdd to divx/xvid......any howtos etc around?\
[01:14:00] honey: Ashlar, thanks. older versions will be fine? nothing changed internally since 0.16?
[01:14:00] Ashlar: ethics: nuvexport?
[01:15:00] Ashlar: honey, I can't confirm.. I'm not a dvb guy.. the version I put up on that link is from 0.18
[01:15:00] honey: ah ok, thanks.
[01:15:00] honey: odd, wonder where it went
[01:15:00] jmblack: Ashlar: I think he said DVD to Xvid, not Xvid to DVD...
[01:15:00] ethics: yah dvd to xvid...on hdd
[01:15:00] [311]: holy crap. i hate this pvr150
[01:16:00] Ashlar: ahhh.. sorry, ethics, I read your Q wrong.. not sure re that
[01:16:00] jmblack: ethics: if your taking DVDs and making them smaller... MTD and MythDVD
[01:17:00] [311]: anyone know what frequency rogers cable canada uses?
[01:18:00] ethics: jmblack, the issue i have specifically is the VOBs are decrypted and stored on HDD now.
[01:18:00] ethics: jm black i want to cat them together and output 1 divx/xvid around the 19–2gb areas
[01:18:00] ethics: 1.9
[01:19:00] honey: ethics, there's a package called encode2mpeg on sf.net. dunno if it'll help
[01:19:00] ethics: ill go a looking
[01:19:00] [311]: has anyone here actually gotten a pvr150 to work with knoppmyth???
[01:19:00] honey: (sf.net seems to be slow, again)
[01:19:00] ethics: [311] yes
[01:19:00] ethics: me amongst them
[01:20:00] SaucE`: has anyone here actually gotten a ATI TV Wonder VE to work with knoppmyth???
[01:20:00] ethics: but i did have to get new drivers etc...
[01:20:00] [311]: which new drivers?
[01:20:00] [311]: im using the latest version of knoppmyth and all i get is static
[01:21:00] SaucE`: I get a nice green screen with static at the top
[01:21:00] ethics: [311] well i used a 0.17 knoppmyth originally on a bttv card i then added the pvr150 and loaded up the kennedy ivtv drivers from ivtv.tv
[01:21:00] [311]: can you paste to me what your ivtv file looks like?
[01:21:00] ethics: [311] i would but im sort of in a different country atm...
[01:22:00] [311]: oh okay
[01:22:00] [311]: im starting to give up on this. every person seems to give me a different answer about everything
[01:22:00] ethics: i dont remember it being hard withthe .32 drivers most of it just worked..i didnt need ot search for tuners etc
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[01:23:00] [311]: the card is recognized properly though
[01:23:00] ethics: [311] you get static is good now you need ot set up channels
[01:23:00] rah: find . -name "*.pro" | while read file; do ( cd $( dirname $file ) && qmake $( basename $file ) ); done
[01:23:00] rah: ghey :/
[01:23:00] SaucE`: does anyone here have experience setting up KnoppMyth with a ATI TV Wonder VE who could help me.
[01:24:00] [311]: the channels are setup. i get the channel name and show name etc. just static though
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[01:24:00] SaucE`: Who else decided to do this after they watched Systm???
[01:25:00] [311]: not i
[01:25:00] SaucE`: they said it was easy...
[01:26:00] [311]: it is easy if you have the money for a properly supported card...
[01:27:00] [311]: i also cant get the channel frequency table type from my cable company, they wont tell me
[01:27:00] jmblack: Well, myth is one of those things that you need to learn ALOT of background information on before you can get it going properly... the issues arent specific to Myth, its just that Myth does ALOT of stuff :)
[01:28:00] jmblack: 311, I think there is a patch somewhere to do analog channel scan (similar to the DVB channel scan stuff)
[01:28:00] SaucE`: You are on Rogers in Canada too eh. Bunch of bastards they are
[01:28:00] ethics: [311] do you find the chanels under ptune?
[01:28:00] [311]: they say its against policy to tell me what frequency and i should pay for their pvr
[01:28:00] SaucE`: lol
[01:29:00] SaucE`: I was gonna call them. Thanks for the heads up
[01:29:00] ethics: [311] tell them to jam it in thier arses and post their channel listings on the web....
[01:29:00] [311]: nope i get nothing
[01:29:00] ethics: after you find them
[01:30:00] SaucE`: whats ptune?
[01:30:00] [311]: well i can get their channel listings from zap2it
[01:30:00] SaucE`: same
[01:30:00] SaucE`: just static/green screen
[01:31:00] ethics: [311] so ptune doesnt give you channels as you click things?
[01:31:00] [311]: ptune wont open apparently
[01:31:00] ethics: [311] whats the eror?
[01:31:00] [311]: it wanted me to populate the db. i did, and now it wont do anything
[01:32:00] ethics: ptune is part of ivtv..not myth'
[01:32:00] [311]: i ust get command not found now
[01:32:00] ethics: uner tools or something...its a python proggy or p[erl i cant remember
[01:33:00] [311]: okay i found that
[01:33:00] [311]: how can i test it?
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[01:34:00] ethics: [311] read the readme file there i think its something like parl ptune-ui to start it
[01:34:00] [311]: just perl ptune.pl
[01:34:00] ethics: i think you need ot cat the video stream to a viewer like mplayer to see it...
[01:35:00] [311]: i did perl.pl --channel 4 --input /dev/video0 --freqtable ntsc-cable --tuner-num 0
[01:35:00] [311]: it respponded with
[01:35:00] [311]: ch.4: 67250 1076
[01:36:00] ethics: is there a proggy called ptune-ui there too?
[01:36:00] ethics: i think one is cli one is buttons..
[01:36:00] [311]: yep
[01:36:00] ethics: you may need to cat /dev/video0 |mplayer – to see image
[01:37:00] [311]: so... perl-ui.pl /dev/video0 | mplayer
[01:37:00] [311]: ?
[01:38:00] roam: honey: I got the script, but it dowsn't work
[01:38:00] ethics: no as in two processes 1 displays the output cat /dev/video0|mplayer – on one shell brings up the video display
[01:38:00] roam: honey: I used a .tzap/channels.conf
[01:38:00] ethics: and on another shell fire off ptune-ui no options
[01:38:00] roam: but nothing shows up in the mysql database
[01:38:00] ethics: then you can clixk buttons to see i video changes...
[01:38:00] roam: and no output from the script
[01:39:00] [311]: cat /dev/video0|mplayer
[01:39:00] [311]: i just get mplayer giving me a usage errror
[01:39:00] ethics: try with – after it
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[01:40:00] [311]: okay thats working
[01:40:00] [311]: just static still though
[01:41:00] ethics: ok thats like the tv screen....running ptune-ui gives you channel selectors etc which change what mplayer will see
[01:41:00] [311]: every frequency type gives me static
[01:42:00] ethics: hmm then id be looking ot see why....a working pvr-150 will give you an image under some of the chanels etc..
[01:42:00] [311]: it works in windows
[01:42:00] ethics: if you get that part working myth will work.....try modprobing ivtv with different tuner options .....theres a wiki about pvr possibilities i think....it's been a while
[01:43:00] ethics: yah the driver just isnt finding the tuner correctly i think
[01:43:00] ethics: you are very close tho
[01:43:00] [311]: what tuner number should the 150 be?
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[01:45:00] ethics: no idea from memory the number 57 comes to mind but i cant be sure....look at a pvr 500 setup also if there is one....they are just 2 150s strapped together i beleive
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[01:45:00] [311]: options ivtv ivtv_std=0 tuner=57 tda9887=0 ivtv_debug=1
[01:45:00] [311]: thats what i have in /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv
[01:45:00] [311]: it was tuner=2 by default
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[01:46:00] ethics: just for kicks comment the line and re modprobe it...see if it detects properly...also what driver version is it?
[01:46:00] [311]: whatever one comes with the latest knoppmyth
[01:47:00] [311]: how would i re modprobe it?
[01:47:00] ethics: modprober -r ivtv...to unlead modprobe ivtv to reprobe
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[01:47:00] ethics: modprobe -r
[01:48:00] [311]: modprobe -r ivtv
[01:48:00] [311]: FATAL: Module ivtv is in use.
[01:48:00] [311]: FATAL: Error running remove command for ivtv
[01:48:00] ethics: kill mplayer hehe
[01:48:00] [311]: nevermind got it ahah
[01:49:00] ethics: the latest version of drivers is like 3.6o so therea few versions higher than what i had a few months ago too
[01:49:00] SaucE`: I am doing a fresh install. Someone walk me through what I should use for settings?
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[01:49:00] [311]: after commenting out the line in /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv, and re modprobing it. nothing is new in the file
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[01:51:00] ethics: yah does mplayer ptune see things different?
[01:51:00] [311]: nope
[01:51:00] ethics: dmesg or a log may show what it redetected as
[01:52:00] ethics: id really be looking to get the latest drivers if i was you...i had problems like yours with some driver versions....
[01:52:00] ethics: its more of a autodetect problem
[01:52:00] [311]: i just swtiched from tuner 1 to tuner 2 and i get a different static and weird noises
[01:53:00] Ashlar: modprobe tveeprom to see what it's detected as.. check dmesg
[01:54:00] [311]: ivtv: Tuner Type 47, Tuner formats 0x00001000, Radio: yes, Model 0x008d2598, Rev
[01:54:00] [311]: ivtv: Configuring WinTV PVR 150 card with 5 streams
[01:54:00] [311]: ivtv: Setting Tuner 47
[01:54:00] [311]: ivtv: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #0
[01:54:00] [311]: ivtv: ==================== END INIT IVTV ==========
[01:55:00] Ashlar: and static on both 0 and 1?
[01:55:00] [311]: yep
[01:56:00] Ashlar: hrmm.. not entirely sure.. what distro you using?
[01:56:00] [311]: knoppmyth
[01:56:00] Ashlar: tried the forums?
[01:58:00] [311]: yep
[01:58:00] [311]: ive read like 500 pages
[01:59:00] Ashlar: sorry, I'm tapped.. don't even have a pvr-150 :)
[01:59:00] ethics: [311] you have got the rom fiels etc working yeah?
[01:59:00] ethics: from the windows cd?
[01:59:00] [311]: no
[02:00:00] SaucE`: Ashlar: Ever configure the ATI TV Wonder VE with KnoppMyth
[02:00:00] ethics: ok then read the ivtv install info...that may be whats missing..
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[02:00:00] ethics: yheres a script you run to copy the rom files from cd to linux
[02:00:00] [311]: okay, so the card works cause i can get composite in working
[02:01:00] MonMotha: [311]: PVR-150?
[02:01:00] SaucE`: 311: same
[02:01:00] [311]: yep
[02:01:00] MonMotha: aha, so it's not just me
[02:01:00] MonMotha: I can do s-video and composite (and it looks GREAT), but the tuner just tunes static
[02:01:00] [311]: same here
[02:01:00] [311]: this is "whack:
[02:01:00] MonMotha: does it tune "different static" if you change channels?
[02:01:00] [311]: nope
[02:02:00] Ashlar: SaucE`: not in a looong time, and only as a display device using the GATOS drivers
[02:02:00] MonMotha: hum, mine does
[02:02:00] MonMotha: though it's not always obvious
[02:02:00] SaucE`: I can get the composite to work, but I can't use the program guide with it
[02:02:00] ethics: have either of you 150 uses done the extraction of rom files etc?
[02:02:00] MonMotha: ethics: I have used multiple firmwares, multiple ivtv versions
[02:02:00] [311]: what do you mean by that?
[02:02:00] ethics: MonMotha, 3.6o ?
[02:03:00] ethics: 311: if mon has it's probably not the issue
[02:03:00] MonMotha: ethics: 3.2x, 3.3z, 3.4z, 3.6v
[02:03:00] ethics: i had reverse on my drivers a month or 2 back...could get tuner but no comp hehe
[02:03:00] [311]: monmotha, are you trying tuner1 or tuner0?
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[02:03:00] MonMotha: they all behave slightly differnetly (3.2x behaves the best, actually, tuning "different static")
[02:04:00] MonMotha: [311]: whatever ptune.pl wants to use...
[02:04:00] MonMotha: I didn't try to tell it anything wrt that
[02:04:00] [311]: oh
[02:04:00] MonMotha: I only had the PVR-150 installed at the time
[02:05:00] ethics: MonMotha, can you run 311 through your tests and see if his is the same as yours....
[02:05:00] MonMotha: ethics: basically just try every combination you can of the above driver revisions with both the "recommended" firmware and the firmware that came on the CD
[02:05:00] MonMotha: it's detecting his tuner differently from mine
[02:06:00] SaucE`: man I wish I could get this working. Can't afford a known supported card
[02:06:00] MonMotha: it sees mine as index 99, linxu tuner type 50
[02:06:00] MonMotha: http://pastebin.com/306640
[02:07:00] MonMotha: that's 3.6w, I guess. 3.6v and 3.6u did the same thing
[02:07:00] MonMotha: black screen, silent audio from tuner
[02:07:00] MonMotha: I tried all 8 inputs
[02:07:00] MonMotha: composite and svideo marked ones both capture what they say, tuner appears to capture tuner, but tuner isn't actually tuning or demoding anything
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[02:08:00] MonMotha: on 3.2x with both firmwares, tuner input gives static audio and noisy, but still mostly black video
[02:08:00] MonMotha: (both tuner inputs, I should say)
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[02:09:00] [311]: this is pissing me off now.
[02:09:00] MonMotha: it's pissing me off too
[02:09:00] MonMotha: the thing is so close to working
[02:09:00] MonMotha: I was thinking my tuner module was just defective, but maybe not
[02:09:00] MonMotha: I know other people have gotten what seems to be an identical card working, but following the same steps doesn't work for me
[02:09:00] [311]: i tried mine on my windows box and worked fine
[02:09:00] MonMotha: only thing is that I'm running 2.6.12 and they were not
[02:10:00] MonMotha: I don't have a windows box to try it on
[02:10:00] MonMotha: so, unless there's a problem with ivtv not getting along with 2.6.12 (and I need 2.6.12 for the cx88-dvb driver), I don't know what's up
[02:10:00] MonMotha: I've moved the stock 2.6.12 tveeprom, tuner, etc. modules out of the way so that the ivtv supplied ones get loadeed
[02:10:00] [311]: now im just geting a red screen
[02:11:00] MonMotha: [311]: what kernel are you running?
[02:11:00] [311]: whatever comes with knoppmyth
[02:11:00] MonMotha: uname 0r
[02:11:00] MonMotha: -r
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[02:12:00] [311]: 2.6.11.9
[02:12:00] MonMotha: hum,,,
[02:12:00] rah: g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -pipe -march=athlon-xp -O2 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -I/usr/qt/3/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/qt/3/include -o uitypes.o ../libs/libmyth/uitypes.cpp
[02:12:00] rah: In file included from ../libs/libmyth/uitypes.cpp:7:
[02:12:00] rah: ../libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h:326: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `
[02:12:00] rah: QMutex' with no type
[02:12:00] rah: ??
[02:12:00] rah: (!)
[02:15:00] [311]: grrrrr
[02:16:00] [311]: i know on an old tv i had to set it to irc. but theres no irc support here?
[02:17:00] rah: [311]: eh?
[02:17:00] [311]: irc channel freqeuncy. not inter relay chat
[02:18:00] rah: oh
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[02:21:00] [311]: well right now im taking out my radeon7500aiw hoping that it was just interfering
[02:22:00] MonMotha: heh, I just need standard NTSC cable
[02:24:00] MonMotha: I guess I could load it up on a 2.4 system and see what happens
[02:25:00] [311]: im going to load up mandrake 10.1 and try getting it working on that. knoppix is pissing me off
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[02:26:00] lodovic: Can anyone help me with a strange problem watching old recordings on myth 0.18.1 ?
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[02:27:00] lodovic: it's driving me crazy, i just upgraded from 0.18 and it was working fine, the upgrade also broke a bunch of stuff, got some of it fixed.
[02:28:00] lodovic: the screen just turns blue, when i select watch old recordings, the debug screen "mythfronend -v all" looks like it's waiting for the backend to repsond, but never gets one
[02:29:00] lodovic: any suggestions ?
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[02:34:00] lodovic: Anyone still on the channel ?
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[02:36:00] guestish: hi
[02:36:00] lodovic: hey
[02:37:00] guestish: i just got a PVR-150 tv card, does it support hardware mpeg-2 recording?
[02:37:00] MonMotha: guestish: yes
[02:37:00] MonMotha: why didn't you investigate this before buying such a device?
[02:37:00] guestish: whats the difference between PVR-150 and PVR-250?
[02:37:00] guestish: =D
[02:37:00] MonMotha: functionally? almost nothing
[02:37:00] MonMotha: electrically? quite a bit
[02:37:00] guestish: just price?
[02:37:00] guestish: electrically?
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[02:38:00] guestish: whatchea mean MonMotha
[02:38:00] xris: guestish: as in a different chipset, etc.
[02:38:00] guestish: xris: but both are supported, right?
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[02:39:00] MonMotha: guestish: they're fairly different as far as what is on them and driver support, but functionally there is little difference
[02:39:00] guestish: MonMotha: which has better driver support, the 150 or 250?
[02:39:00] MonMotha: why would you buy hardware like this without doing a little research first?
[02:39:00] MonMotha: the 250, mostly by virtue of being older...
[02:39:00] guestish: i did do research, im just checking to see if i was right
[02:40:00] guestish: im just bored mainly, waiting for my debian sarge to d/l :)
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[02:41:00] guestish: computer is mostly worthless w/o an OS
[02:41:00] ethics: build myth from source for debian guestish if you dont already plan to
[02:42:00] guestish: use the source debs or use the vanilla source?
[02:42:00] ethics: vanilla
[02:42:00] guestish: any particular reason why?
[02:42:00] MonMotha: IIRC, mdz's debian source packages are pretty much unpatched
[02:43:00] ethics: debs are quirky so people have been saying for about 6 weeks....since sarge release id guess
[02:43:00] MonMotha: and if you're rebuilding it, you can change the configure options to suit your needs
[02:43:00] guestish: alright
[02:43:00] MonMotha: ethics: I run packages built from the unstable apt feed all the time
[02:43:00] MonMotha: I rebuild them with new DVB and XvMC support. Works fine, though XvMC of course has "issues"
[02:43:00] guestish: im devoting a machine to mythtv...so all its gonna do is record shows
[02:44:00] ethics: MonMotha, unstables proabbly right its stable and testing for debian thats screwy..
[02:44:00] MonMotha: oh, that's always been screwy, especially stable with it's out of date qt
[02:44:00] MonMotha: (its
[02:44:00] guestish: so rebuild the unstable packages from here? http://www.luci.org/luci-discuss/200409/msg00006.html
[02:44:00] ethics: MonMotha, yeah.... he just said sarge specifically so i thought id heads up hehe
[02:45:00] guestish: i really dont care what distro i use, im just most familiar w/ debian
[02:45:00] MonMotha: ethics: ah, I guess he did mention that
[02:45:00] guestish: there a better one for mythtv?
[02:45:00] ethics: guestish, if your running "sarge" then just source is good....etch & unstable you can probably deb with pinholes
[02:46:00] guestish: ethics: meh, i dont want a machine running automatically w/ the risk of broken packages
[02:46:00] guestish: no point in that
[02:46:00] guestish: means i just have to fix it
[02:46:00] MonMotha: the unstable packages from the apt feed work fine, I just have to rebuild them since I need it built against newer DVB headers and I want XvMC (which is disabled by default)
[02:47:00] guestish: source or debs....decisions decisions! :)
[02:48:00] MonMotha: the easiest thing is to grab the debian source package and build it with your own options
[02:48:00] guestish: works for me
[02:48:00] MonMotha: best of both worlds, since I don't think the source packages are patched in any way
[02:49:00] guestish: having debs does make it easier
[02:49:00] MonMotha: or if they are, it's minor (you can check if the diffs have anything other than the debian directory)
[02:49:00] guestish: how hard is mythtv to set up?
[02:49:00] MonMotha: um, depends on how complicated your setup is
[02:50:00] MonMotha: I had a giant multiuser, multi-backend setup going on during this year...that was kinda complicated
[02:50:00] guestish: um...single user, sticking it into the living room, hooking up to a tv via s-video, and having the mythtv interface always running
[02:50:00] MonMotha: that's not too bad
[02:51:00] guestish: and using the PVR-150's remote
[02:51:00] MonMotha: it'll probably be just as hard to get X to do what you want as to set up mythtv
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[02:51:00] MonMotha: oh, in that case LIRC will probably be the source of most of your headaches
[02:51:00] opopanax_gentoo: hi all.
[02:51:00] guestish: ouch
[02:51:00] MonMotha: lirc is a giant overgrown pos
[02:51:00] guestish: should i use 2.4.x or 2.6.x for that?
[02:51:00] guestish: yeah...i already know that much
[02:51:00] MonMotha: but it does work, if you beat it senseless for long enough
[02:51:00] guestish: lol
[02:51:00] MonMotha: lirc really likes 2.4 it seems
[02:51:00] guestish: alright, and mythtv doesnt mind 2.4?
[02:52:00] MonMotha: it works with 2.6, but the debian packages are way out of date and don't like 2.6 (unless experimental has newer ones, or unstable got updated now that sarge is out)
[02:52:00] guestish: cool, so 2.4 is better all around
[02:52:00] MonMotha: guestish: not at all. Only reason to use 2.6 is if you need a driver or something
[02:52:00] MonMotha: I'm not really a fan of 2.6
[02:52:00] guestish: PVR-150 support is in 2.4, right?
[02:52:00] opopanax_gentoo: i can't figure out how to pipe tv through my spdif connector to save my life. I just don't know how to properly set up the audio page, i guess. it wants to tell me that there's no /dev/adsp, or, when I use the alsa addresses, i.e. ALSA:spdif or default, or whatever, it tells me that /dev/mixer doesn't exist.
[02:52:00] opopanax_gentoo: gr.
[02:52:00] guestish: this is a old 2.6 P4, its not exactly cutting edge
[02:52:00] MonMotha: guestish: in vanilla kernel? no
[02:52:00] opopanax_gentoo: wow...i wish i had an "old" 2.6 p4.  :-P
[02:52:00] guestish: MonMotha: how about the debian kernel?
[02:53:00] guestish: opopanax_gentoo: =D
[02:53:00] MonMotha: I always recompile my kernels
[02:53:00] guestish: so do i, but i mean the debian source
[02:53:00] MonMotha: I also dislike initrds, which debian is now making heavy use of
[02:53:00] MonMotha: oh, no. ivtv has not been accepted into any commonly distributed kernels, to my knowledge
[02:53:00] MonMotha: it's really kinda hackish on the v4l api
[02:53:00] guestish: where do i get the PVR-150 patch?
[02:53:00] guestish: ivtv?
[02:53:00] opopanax_gentoo: is there anyone available to help guide me through my sound nightmare? i'm trying to use spdif passthrough, but all it passes is a horrible digital sound to the regular mixer..doesn't know any better, apparently.
[02:53:00] MonMotha: ivtv are the PVR series drivers
[02:54:00] guestish: opopanax_gentoo: try #alsa
[02:54:00] MonMotha: opopanax_gentoo: I personally gave up trying to get MythTV to use ALSA correctly and just use OSS emulation :)
[02:54:00] MonMotha: though I know people have it working, I'm just lazy and this works
[02:54:00] MonMotha: this setup is from before MythTV had working ALSA support
[02:54:00] guestish: i have a sound blaster live, probably one of the most well supported cards :)
[02:54:00] opopanax_gentoo: well, i can get it to work, with prologic, just fine, with the oss emulation /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer
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[02:54:00] MonMotha: guestish: so do I...
[02:54:00] guestish: heh
[02:54:00] guestish: that sucks
[02:55:00] opopanax_gentoo: except channels with dolby don't sound right
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[02:55:00] opopanax_gentoo: it's all muted and muffled, cuz it's not decoding the stream right.
[02:55:00] opopanax_gentoo: fine, i guess I'll join #alsa
[02:55:00] guestish: MonMotha: is there anywhere where i can find the chipset for the PVR-150?
[02:55:00] MonMotha: guestish: www.ivtv.tv has all the stuff you need to make the PVR-150 work
[02:56:00] MonMotha: it's some horribly documented Conexant thing
[02:56:00] guestish: heh
[02:56:00] guestish: thanks
[02:56:00] MonMotha: I gather a good chunk of this has been reverse engineered
[02:56:00] MonMotha: if you google for ivtv, that'll pop up
[02:56:00] guestish: use stable or unstable release?
[02:56:00] guestish: unstable i guess
[02:56:00] ethics: unstable
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[02:56:00] guestish: i guess its a kernel module i compile against the kernel headers then
[02:57:00] MonMotha: guestish: go read...
[02:58:00] guestish: seems simple enough
[02:59:00] guestish: like you said, my headache is probably gonna be w/ lirc
[02:59:00] MonMotha: guestish: that was my biggest headache: getting my IR blaster to work
[02:59:00] guestish: just wondering, but do i use keyboard emulation or irexec?
[03:00:00] MonMotha: guestish: I actually don't have a remote control set up right now – I use my keyboard
[03:00:00] guestish: oh
[03:00:00] MonMotha: I used lirc on my giant multiuser setup because I had a cable box and needed an ir blaster to control it
[03:00:00] guestish: ah
[03:00:00] guestish: i also have a cable box, but atm im just gonna change channels manually
[03:01:00] guestish: unless you have any wisdom about setting up the ir relay
[03:01:00] guestish: er, advice
[03:01:00] MonMotha: it's not too hard, though my cable box was so slow that I could only send like 1 button press/sec
[03:01:00] guestish: yeah, mine is slow
[03:02:00] guestish: so i can use the cable box's tuner and not use the card's? hows that work
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[03:02:00] opopanax_gentoo: i got my cable box runnin over firewire, it's gorgeous
[03:03:00] opopanax_gentoo: and the channels change and everything. it's be-freakin-autiful
[03:03:00] guestish: mines a comcast piece of crap, meaning i cant use the serial port in the back to change channels
[03:03:00] opopanax_gentoo: guestish, does it have a firewire?
[03:03:00] guestish: opopanax_gentoo: just serial, and its locked out
[03:03:00] opopanax_gentoo: they have to give you a firewire one if you ask...it'll cost ya 5 bucks a month, but then you can be likeme.
[03:04:00] guestish: they "have to"?
[03:04:00] guestish: its already costing me 8 bucks a month
[03:04:00] guestish: high def cable box
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[03:05:00] opopanax_gentoo: guestish, are you SURE it doesn't have a firewire port? the hidef boxes are supposed to. ask em to provide you one, they have to by law. and they don't encrypt ANYTHING
[03:05:00] MonMotha: they can downres the output thoguh :)
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[03:05:00] guestish: heh
[03:05:00] guestish: right now its high def output
[03:06:00] guestish: can i control it through firewire?
[03:06:00] opopanax_gentoo: hi def fits over firewire. just make sure you got the proc and ram for it, or it'll be skippy and gross.
[03:06:00] opopanax_gentoo: yes
[03:06:00] MonMotha: oh I do hi-def, just over the air
[03:06:00] guestish: my vid out card cant support high def...unfortuately
[03:06:00] opopanax_gentoo: i see.
[03:06:00] MonMotha: I could do QAM, but I haven't checked to see if anything is encrypted
[03:06:00] MonMotha: probably is
[03:06:00] guestish: heh
[03:06:00] opopanax_gentoo: guestish, you don't understand...no tuner card required
[03:06:00] guestish: so you are telling me i didnt need this tuner card..
[03:07:00] guestish: that i can do everything including mythtv over firewire?
[03:07:00] opopanax_gentoo: guestish, not if you do it over firewire, no.
[03:07:00] opopanax_gentoo: guestish, if you have the box, yep.
[03:07:00] opopanax_gentoo: i'm doing it now
[03:07:00] MonMotha: yeah, I have my PVR-150 for analog capture
[03:07:00] MonMotha: since I don't actually have digital cable
[03:08:00] opopanax_gentoo: as long as you got kernel firewire support, you're good to hook. i had issues cuz gentoo wasn't mapping the device right under udev, but as soon as I symlinked it, it was bloody gorgeous.
[03:08:00] opopanax_gentoo: i'm about to say FUCK IT.
[03:08:00] guestish: if that so i might as well return the tv tuner card
[03:08:00] opopanax_gentoo: maybe if i remove my xine config.
[03:09:00] opopanax_gentoo: guestish, yep. you got a speedy box for this?
[03:10:00] guestish: P4 2.6
[03:10:00] opopanax_gentoo: guestish, better than mine. fast ram?
[03:10:00] opopanax_gentoo: tv does fine, but hidef is actually rather horrible on my box. takes quite a bit of power
[03:11:00] MonMotha: a 2.6GHz P4 can probably do 720p in software (with libmpeg2), but will need some sort of hardware assist (like XvMC) for 1080i
[03:11:00] MonMotha: nobody's using 1080p yet
[03:12:00] guestish: 512 in RIMMs
[03:13:00] guestish: no firewire, only USB and ethernet
[03:13:00] guestish: you said firewire is required by law?
[03:15:00] guestish: MonMotha, opopanax_gentoo
[03:16:00] guestish: cause i dont see any firewire...
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[03:18:00] guestish: 3 usbs, 2 ethernets...
[03:18:00] guestish: why would a cable box need ethernet?
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[03:22:00] MonMotha: some of them can also act as a cable modem
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[03:22:00] guestish: o_O
[03:22:00] guestish: seriously?
[03:22:00] guestish: theres a mix i'd never think of
[03:22:00] MonMotha: there was also originally talk of networked PVR functionality (ala mythtv) that never really materialized
[03:22:00] guestish: that would be cool
[03:23:00] MonMotha: some of these STBs are pretty insane. The cable cos almost never use them to their full potential since they want to sell you as much as they can
[03:23:00] guestish: using vls to broadcast mythtv over the network
[03:23:00] guestish: yeah, i wish i wasnt forcd to use comcsat's box
[03:23:00] MonMotha: I actually own a DCT-5000 that I've been meaning to get Linux on
[03:23:00] guestish: comcast*
[03:23:00] MonMotha: many states haev a law that says if you have compatible equipment, the cable co must let you use it. Check on that
[03:23:00] MonMotha: (though good luck getting a cable box...)
[03:24:00] guestish: wheres that law
[03:24:00] guestish: the firewire one
[03:25:00] MonMotha: it's somewhere buried in the FCC stuff for cable cos
[03:25:00] xris: MonMotha: keep in mind, that's only if you're paying for HD content.
[03:25:00] MonMotha: xris: true
[03:25:00] MonMotha: you still have to pay for the service, but you can provide the equipment
[03:26:00] guestish: found it
[03:26:00] guestish: according to comcast, they have no boxes w/ firewire
[03:26:00] MonMotha: I dont' even remember if the decoder on the DCT-5k supports HD...not that I'm likely to get enough docs to get it working in Linux anyway
[03:27:00] MonMotha: this is sad, COPS is apparently filmed in widescreen
[03:27:00] MonMotha: and it's either a really good upconvert, or itmay be better than 480i res too
[03:27:00] guestish: no kidding?
[03:27:00] MonMotha: yeah, it actually looks really nice (as far as picture quality goes) on my local FOX station
[03:28:00] MonMotha: though I seemt o be havign some signal issues
[03:28:00] guestish: you can watch the beatings in glorious 720p :)
[03:28:00] MonMotha: yup, yea native mode on my DLP
[03:28:00] MonMotha: oddly enough, my antenna seems to work best if I leave it in the fscking basement
[03:30:00] MonMotha: wow...it says I have a really good signal, I don't know why it's doing stupid stuff
[03:30:00] MonMotha: ah, multipath...turned off the preamp and it got a lot better
[03:31:00] MonMotha: status 1f | signal e394 | snr fc65 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK <--- nice signal for a little UHF loop in the basement
[03:32:00] MonMotha: wow, this station is even stronger...
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[03:34:00] guestish: lol
[03:34:00] guestish: i feel screwed..
[03:34:00] guestish: guess what, they have one firewire box
[03:34:00] guestish: only one
[03:34:00] guestish: and in order to get it, i need to pay 9.95 a month for PVR/DVR service
[03:35:00] ** guestish wants to strangle comcast **
[03:37:00] guestish: DLP, very nice
[03:38:00] guestish: MonMotha: take a look at this for a sec will ya: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachm . . . 03-225A1.pdf
[03:38:00] guestish: search for "Effective April"
[03:40:00] MonMotha: I'm busy
[03:40:00] guestish: k
[03:40:00] guestish: nvm then
[03:45:00] MonMotha: great, so ivtv doesn'te ven compile on 2.4 anymore
[03:45:00] MonMotha: it purports to
[03:48:00] guestish: to what?
[03:48:00] poonj: hey guys, anyone here have a PCHDTV 3000 using dvb?
[03:49:00] poonj: I'm not quite sure how the channels are supposed to be setup
[03:49:00] poonj: because when I'm under channel editor in mythtv-setup, I can't edit the channel frequency
[03:49:00] poonj: is there something I'm not setting up correctly?
[03:50:00] MonMotha: poonj: do a scan for channels
[03:50:00] MonMotha: that'll find everything you can receive
[03:50:00] MonMotha: if you want zap2it guide data, you appear to ahve to manually do some database hacking
[03:50:00] poonj: MonMotha: I did that, but it doesn't seem to save the channels
[03:50:00] MonMotha: odd, it did for me
[03:50:00] poonj: really?
[03:51:00] poonj: it gives a list..but then when I go back to channel editor
[03:51:00] poonj: it doesn't seem to save
[03:52:00] MonMotha: odd, mine definately saved them
[03:53:00] poonj: I'm doing it now
[03:53:00] poonj: lets see if it'll save it now
[03:53:00] poonj: I can manually enter them
[03:57:00] guestish: can i control the cable box over usb just like firewire?
[03:57:00] guestish: or over ethernet?
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[04:03:00] monsoon: hey, my source is setup properly for zap2it, but my guide is empty
[04:05:00] guestish: sweet..
[04:05:00] guestish: cool 'n' quiet is finally working
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[04:17:00] miketiger: frontend on a wireless laptop is great
[04:17:00] miketiger: im really enjoying this
[04:28:00] monsoon: just wondering what files and what options you have (alias...etc
[04:28:00] monsoon: anyone else using a pvr150?
[04:29:00] travolta: you run mythfilldatabase first ?
[04:30:00] monsoon: yes indeed
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[04:50:00] monsoon: does my INIT IVTV look ok? http://pastebin.ca/16749 I'm having trouble with it, when I cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg the resulting file is empty 0bytes
[04:52:00] monkeyontherun: can anyone help me with sound?
[04:53:00] guestish: me, soon
[04:54:00] monkeyontherun: okay, thanks. I can wait.
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[05:04:00] monkeyontherun: I get no audio with line set as the capture and muted. Mythtv opens /dev/dsp twice, once as OSS even when I'm not using OSS.
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[05:14:00] bitsko: my channel listings are going empty and labs.zap2it.com isn't responding. anyone else seeing this?
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[05:15:00] banyan: I've just tried going to the latest fc3 kernel and I'm having problems with various ivtv components. the ivtv framebuffer messes up my console... mythfrontend can't tune to a channel anymore...
[05:15:00] banyan: anyone else been thru this?
[05:15:00] xris: new kernel version means you need a new driver
[05:16:00] GreyFoxx: bitsko: I can connect to it without a problem
[05:16:00] banyan: I recompiled ivtv under the new kernel.
[05:16:00] harryo: banyan: 2.6.11–1.27? just tried it. no problems.
[05:17:00] banyan: no, this is 2.6.11–1.35
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[05:17:00] bitsko: GreyFoxx, heh. I've tried several times over the past half hour or so, and so as soon as you said that I tried again, and sure enough... thx
[05:18:00] harryo: banyan: did you recompile video4linux too?
[05:18:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[05:18:00] banyan: so, first of all... here's a problem I was having under the old kernel. When I load ivtv_fb, I can no longer view my tty1 thru tty6 consoles.
[05:18:00] banyan: harryo, actually, I didn't.
[05:19:00] harryo: banyan: when I upgrade kernels I have to get lirc, ivtv, video4linux and nvidia to go with it
[05:20:00] banyan: Yeah, that's one other thing — I get piles of compile errors trying to make lirc with the new kernel's source tree.
[05:21:00] banyan: I have ivtv and nvidia... can't compile lirc and never thought to get v4l. Any idea what the kernel module package would be called? (if there is one)
[05:21:00] harryo: banyan: why the rush to 2.6.11–1.35? wait until it goes stable with drivers on atRPMS
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[05:23:00] banyan: Good point. I thought I was 'almost there' but I'm also having trouble with mysql — my mytfronthend thinks that I have nothing pending to record.
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[05:24:00] banyan: Is v4l typically included with stock kernels now or is it a patch / compile thing?
[05:25:00] harryo: banyan: newer msp3400, tuner, tveeprom
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[05:26:00] Yellow_Fu: hi
[05:26:00] MonMotha: ok, can someone with a working PVR-150 tell me what kernel version they're using and what ivtv driver version they are using? Preferably one with a tuner type 50 (hauppage index 99)
[05:26:00] monkeyontherun: hey
[05:27:00] banyan: oh! you know, I took the ivtv driver's advice and blew away the msp3400 that it says to blow away. was that a mistake?
[05:27:00] miketiger: my pvr-150mce works fine...ill grab the version info, 1 sec
[05:27:00] Yellow_Fu: is it possibly to actually watch cable tv with mythtv?, in particular foxtel or optus in australia
[05:27:00] banyan: as long as you have a card that handles the cable tv format, sure.
[05:27:00] MonMotha: sure, just hook a tuner up
[05:28:00] MonMotha: or, if it's digital, you can use their box
[05:28:00] harryo: banyan: I use the ivtv msp3400 but I use the video4linux tveeprom
[05:28:00] miketiger: kernel is 2.6.11-gentoo-r11 and my ivtv is 0.30
[05:28:00] harryo: banyan: but you shouldn't delete anything – use an alias or rename
[05:28:00] miketiger: ivtv is 0.3.3*
[05:28:00] MonMotha: you could try using IEEE1394 or a DVB-C (if austrailia is DVB land) card on it, but there may be some encryption or downres issues
[05:28:00] MonMotha: hum, mine is a non-MCE version
[05:28:00] MonMotha: 0.3.3 what letter?
[05:28:00] miketiger: k
[05:29:00] banyan: but what about that issue with the ivtv_fb killing my consoles?
[05:29:00] Yellow_Fu: on optus analogue cable here raw signal is out of sync and some channels are colour inverted, is mythtv able to handle that?
[05:29:00] banyan: (this on fc3)
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[05:29:00] monsoon: anyone using a pvr150?
[05:29:00] MonMotha: Yellow_Fu: so they are "scrambled"?
[05:29:00] harryo: banyan: check ml archives for grub.conf
[05:29:00] miketiger: monsoon, i have the mce version
[05:29:00] MonMotha: if you can't hook a TV right up tot he cable line, you'll need a box
[05:30:00] MonMotha: you acn hook mythtv up to the box's output thoguh
[05:30:00] monsoon: miketiger: are you by anychance running knoppmyth?
[05:30:00] Yellow_Fu: MonMotha: yep, foxtel: newscrypt, optus:sync/colour invert
[05:30:00] miketiger: monsoon, nope gentoo
[05:30:00] MonMotha: miketiger: yea...what version of the driver are you using though? 0.3.3 what letter?
[05:30:00] banyan: harryo: the ml archives have data re: the consoles?
[05:30:00] monsoon: ah ok thx
[05:30:00] banyan: K
[05:30:00] miketiger: MonMotha, k
[05:30:00] Yellow_Fu: MonMotha: but then dont you have to manually change the channel?
[05:30:00] harryo: banyan: re: setting up correct fb device
[05:30:00] MonMotha: Yellow_Fu: you can use an IR blaster
[05:30:00] banyan: oh, cool.
[05:31:00] MonMotha: that's what I ended up doing for crappy charter digital cable for a year
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[05:31:00] MonMotha: miketiger: 0.3.3k?
[05:31:00] miketiger: MonMotha, yes
[05:31:00] banyan: and the ml archives are where?
[05:31:00] MonMotha: sorry, I was interpreting the "k" as the common abbreviation for "ok"
[05:31:00] miketiger: haha oh
[05:31:00] miketiger: sorry
[05:32:00] MonMotha: no problem, I guess that's what you get with a texual chat medium like irc
[05:32:00] banyan: ml is shorthand for myth l-something... presumably... mythlog? mythlib? mythleading?
[05:32:00] banyan: :-)
[05:32:00] GreyFoxx: mailing list
[05:33:00] banyan: ah! okee.
[05:33:00] harryo: banyan: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/
[05:33:00] banyan: i'm there already! tks.
[05:36:00] MonMotha: miketiger: do you know if gentoo's patches to 2.6.11 included any v4l stuff?
[05:37:00] miketiger: ill take a look
[05:37:00] MonMotha: I'm going to give this card one last chance in (yet another) completely different system runnign an older kernel, since all my stuff has been running 2.6.12 so far for the cx88-dvb driver
[05:37:00] miketiger: MonMotha, i dont think so
[05:38:00] MonMotha: miketiger: ok, I'll try a vanilla 2.6.11 setup with ivtv 0.3.3k
[05:39:00] MonMotha: I'm thinking the board may have a defective tuner
[05:39:00] banyan: harryo: are u actually running an ivtv card?
[05:39:00] banyan: harryo: and fc3?
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[05:41:00] harryo: banyan: yes
[05:43:00] monsoon: maan im finding the pvr150 a pain to use
[05:43:00] monsoon: or setup actually
[05:44:00] banyan: harryo, Can I trouble you to have a look at your grub.conf to see what your kernel options are?
[05:45:00] harryo: banyan: I use 250 not 350. no grub changes needed
[05:45:00] banyan: I end up with 'ro root=... vga=792 quiet' --
[05:45:00] banyan: ah gotcha. ok, I think what I have now will work. But I use my mythtv in an unusual way. I don't display the myth frontend on the tv.
[05:46:00] banyan: this ought to work anyway, i think!
[05:46:00] banyan: tks
[05:46:00] banyan: Never would have thought to look in grub.conf myself.
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[06:40:00] MonMotha: monsoon: I'm attempting to set up a PVR-150. I can get the svideo and composite inputs working (and they look very nice), but the tuner simply isnot cooperating
[06:41:00] monsoon: MonMotha: an MCE ? or retail?
[06:41:00] monsoon: knoppmyth? or other?
[06:43:00] MonMotha: retail, debian unstable (with a kernel compiled from vanilla kernel.org sources)
[06:44:00] monsoon: MonMotha: hmm pretty simillar to me, Im using knoppmyth, which is deb sid... and a retail card also
[06:44:00] MonMotha: monsoon: what kernel?
[06:44:00] monsoon: could you pastebin your config files for me?
[06:45:00] monsoon: MonMotha: 2.6.11.9
[06:45:00] MonMotha: what config files?
[06:45:00] MonMotha: like the kernel .config?
[06:45:00] MonMotha: that's really the only relevant config file...
[06:45:00] monsoon: MonMotha: no did you have to add alias's and options in /etc/ somewhere?
[06:45:00] MonMotha: monsoon: to get what is working, working? No
[06:45:00] MonMotha: I have tried doing so in order to get the tuner working, but without luck
[06:46:00] MonMotha: I have also tried specifying the equilvilent options on the module load line at insmod time, also with no luck
[06:46:00] monsoon: hmm weird so have you done any configuring to get it working?
[06:46:00] MonMotha: I wouldn't call it working...
[06:46:00] MonMotha: the tuner doesn't work, just svid/composite
[06:46:00] monsoon: muuuch better then mine
[06:47:00] MonMotha: and that was as simple as make install in the drivers dir, modprobe ivtv (once I put th firmware in /lib/modules, whcih is the craziest place ever to look for it...)
[06:47:00] monsoon: i had it working great my last install, but reinstalled on a new system, and I cant remmeber what i did
[06:47:00] monsoon: which firmware from the cd?
[06:48:00] MonMotha: monsoon: both that and the "recommended" work
[06:48:00] MonMotha: at least for svid/composite
[06:49:00] monsoon: weird, im getting fed up personally, wish I had bought a 250 or something
[06:50:00] monsoon: im going to try again from scratch
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[07:01:00] garrick: is mythtv's support for multiple tuners supposed to be working in the 0.18.1-release branch?
[07:02:00] GreyFoxx: of course
[07:02:00] garrick: I just installed a PVR500 next to my existing PVR350
[07:02:00] garrick: mythtv keeps getting confused and starts recording the same show twice, at the same time, on 2 different tuners
[07:03:00] GreyFoxx: Can't say I've ever come accross that:)
[07:04:00] garrick: and any show that is getting saved on either 500 tuner is broken... empty nuv file
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[07:04:00] [311]: where can i get the latest kenedy ivtv drivers for 2.6.11–6?
[07:04:00] GreyFoxx: Actually I've seen some people mention problems with using a 500 and a 350 in the same machine
[07:05:00] GreyFoxx: 311 : http://www.ivtv.tv/
[07:05:00] garrick: I've heard ivtv problems with both cards, but I don't think I'm having those problems with 0.2
[07:05:00] garrick: 0.3 gave me a kernel panic with both cards
[07:06:00] GreyFoxx: I'm using .2, but then I have no reason to use .3 on my stuff
[07:06:00] mchou: garrick: I suggest you talk w/jarod
[07:06:00] mchou: getting differnt pvr cards to work together is a bitch :)
[07:06:00] garrick: I've been sticking with 0.2 so far, it work great... I guess the real disadvantage is lack of xv support on tvout
[07:07:00] garrick: mchou: is he a mythtv or ivtv developer?
[07:07:00] mchou: he is not a developer afaik.
[07:07:00] mchou: just someone who has lots of HW :)
[07:08:00] mchou: and mas gotten most HW to work together.
[07:08:00] mchou: has*
[07:09:00] garrick: does he normally hang out in channel?
[07:09:00] mchou: he goes under nick j-rod
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[07:09:00] [311]: i get make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.11–6mdk/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[07:10:00] [311]: when trying to make
[07:10:00] [311]: how do i point it to the right dir?
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[07:10:00] garrick: [311]: which version of mdk is that? 10.2?
[07:10:00] [311]: yep
[07:11:00] garrick: [311]: urpmi kernel-devel
[07:11:00] simprix: I have everything working with mythtv except all my channels
[07:11:00] simprix: are off by one ie: if im watching channel 3 it will be channel
[07:11:00] mchou: [311]: tou need a kernel upgrade.
[07:11:00] simprix: 2. I am using ntsc and us-cable
[07:11:00] mchou: you*
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[07:11:00] mchou: security issues on that kernel.
[07:11:00] [311]: ohh
[07:11:00] simprix: All my channels are all off by one i am using ntsc and us-cable
[07:12:00] garrick: simprix: I think that's the wrong tuner type
[07:12:00] [311]: ive got all my sources added but urpmi kernel-devel isnst ther
[07:12:00] simprix: where do i change that
[07:12:00] mchou: [311]: it's called kernel-source in mandrake.
[07:12:00] MonMotha: garrick: I have two tuners that sometimes dupe programs (one is an OTA hi-def tuner, the other is cable that has the local broadcasters in SD). If there is episode data in the guide data, MythTV knows that it should only record one of them, and it tries to use the higher priority card (my HD tuner) if that is available
[07:13:00] simprix: garrick: where do i change the tuner type
[07:13:00] [311]: i dont really want to upgrade the kernel
[07:13:00] garrick: simprix: it's an option to the ivtv module. check /var/log/messages, it might have a clue on which type is being used versus what is on the card
[07:13:00] [311]: unless i can just urpmi it
[07:14:00] garrick: [311]: of course you just urpmi new kernels
[07:14:00] mchou: [311]: who said anything about upgrading the kernel? you can install it alongside your older kernel.
[07:15:00] garrick: MonMotha: what happens when it dupes programs?
[07:15:00] mchou: and you boot the newer kernel once you've installed it to try it out.
[07:15:00] simprix: where can i get the ivtv module
[07:15:00] MonMotha: garrick: if there is episode data in the guide from zap2it, it figures things out and only records on one interface
[07:16:00] MonMotha: this happens anytime there's a program that comes up in my record all list that's on a broadcaster
[07:16:00] garrick: month: but you said that it does dup shows sometimes
[07:18:00] simprix: garrick: i don't think my card will support ivtv i have the ati tv-wonder ve
[07:19:00] MonMotha: ivtv is only for the WinTV PVR series by Hauppage and a couple cards that are based on the same chipset (they have hardware MPEG2 encoders)
[07:19:00] [311]: mchou, well thats good then
[07:19:00] MonMotha: tuners without hardware encoders would use a normal v4l module (usually cx88 or bttv), though ATi tuners are poorly supproted
[07:19:00] simprix: so how can i fix my channel off by one problem
[07:23:00] [311]: after installing kernel-source and trying to make ivtv again i get
[07:23:00] [311]: make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.11–6mdk/build'
[07:23:00] [311]: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop.
[07:24:00] garrick: [311]: did the kernel-source-2.6 rpm match 2.6.11–6mdk?
[07:25:00] [311]: yep
[07:25:00] garrick: [311]: what does 'ls -al /lib/modules/2.6.11–6mdk/build' print?
[07:26:00] [311]: a sym link
[07:26:00] [311]: linux-2.6.11–6mdk -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.11–6mdk/
[07:27:00] garrick: [311]: what does 'ls -ld /usr/src/linux-2.6.11–6mdk' print?
[07:27:00] [311]: drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 Jul 2 13:20 /usr/src/linux-2.6.11–6mdk/
[07:28:00] [311]: but even in the /usr/src/linu... dir there is no build dir
[07:28:00] garrick: [311]: rpm -q kernel-source-2.6–2.6.11–6mdk
[07:29:00] simprix: is the ivtv module the only way to fix my channel off by one problem
[07:29:00] [311]: kernel-source-2.6–2.6.11–6mdk
[07:29:00] garrick: [311]: you won't find a "build" dir in /usr/src/linux, but you should see lots of other files
[07:29:00] [311]: yeah there are
[07:30:00] [311]: but i still get
[07:30:00] [311]: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop.
[07:30:00] garrick: [311]: here, prep your kernel source: http://speculation.org/garrick/faqs.html
[07:30:00] [311]: okay thanks
[07:31:00] garrick: simprix: no, ivtv is for a different class of hardware than you have
[07:32:00] garrick: simpl: but I think the problem is the same, the tuner type is selected wrong
[07:32:00] simprix: so what do i have to do or could you point me in the right direction
[07:32:00] garrick: simprix: did you read any of the docs for the drive you are using?
[07:32:00] garrick: err, driver
[07:32:00] simprix: im just using v4l
[07:36:00] [311]: sweet, the kernel prep all worked
[07:37:00] [311]: but i still get
[07:37:00] [311]: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop.
[07:38:00] garrick: [311]: you ran the 'make oldconfig' with the correct .config?
[07:39:00] [311]: dont think so, i just did "make oldconfig"
[07:39:00] [311]: i just did everything verbatim as your site says
[07:39:00] garrick: but without copying the correct .config?
[07:39:00] [311]: oh ya i copied the right one
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[07:40:00] swim: ok this is freaking me out when I try to cat /dev/video0 to a file, the file seems to be empty everytime no matter what I try to do to the damned thing and my ivtv init seems fine
[07:40:00] [311]: from the /boot/config`uname...
[07:40:00] MonMotha: swim: is it a zero byte file, or black video and silent audio?
[07:41:00] garrick: [311]: what did you set EXTRAVERSION to?
[07:41:00] swim: MonMotha, ls -l shows it as a 0 byte file, and I cant mplayer it
[07:41:00] MonMotha: well, yeah, you couldn't if it's zero bytes
[07:41:00] [311]: -6mdk
[07:41:00] MonMotha: did it maybe attach itself to video1?
[07:42:00] swim: I dont know would it say in the ivtv init?
[07:42:00] MonMotha: I don't remember; look
[07:42:00] garrick: [311]: what does 'make modules' say in the kernel source dir?
[07:42:00] MonMotha: or just try video1
[07:42:00] MonMotha: if you have another analog v4l tuner, it may be on video0
[07:43:00] [311]: it looks likes its making them
[07:43:00] [311]: i guess i missed the module make
[07:43:00] swim: MonMotha, nope, no such device
[07:43:00] garrick: [311]: then it looks like things are setup fine
[07:44:00] [311]: sweet! thanks for your help! i should be able to get this driver done now
[07:44:00] [311]: you deserve a cookie for that help page
[07:44:00] garrick: [311]: it just saves me typing :)
[07:44:00] MonMotha: swim: no clue then...mine at least gives me video
[07:44:00] swim: mine used to... previous installs
[07:46:00] [311]: now if this new ivtv driver makes my pvr150 work, i will tbe the happiest man in the world
[07:47:00] MonMotha: is there a list anywhere of required kernel config options for ivtv? I can find a few "hints", but nothing that claims to be comprehensive
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[07:50:00] garrick: wtf, it's duping a show again, but this time on 1 tuner ?!
[07:50:00] MonMotha: make sure you have duplicate checking enabled
[07:51:00] garrick: no, I mean it is recording the same show twice *at the same time*
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[07:52:00] MonMotha: did you stop and restart the backend?
[07:52:00] garrick: a few minutes ago, it had stopped responding
[07:53:00] swim: crap
[07:54:00] MonMotha: garrick: sometimes it'll do things like record the same thing twice at once off the same tuner when you stop and restart the backend during a recording
[07:54:00] swim: i swear im going to return this stupid card
[07:54:00] mchou: lol
[07:55:00] swim: mchou, I had it working, then I had to reinstall on a new system, and now cant get it working again, even getting new problems
[07:55:00] mchou: the card works. you are doing something wrong by failinf to follow directins.
[07:56:00] swim: i guess so, i wish directions for this card were clearer
[07:56:00] MonMotha: mchou: don't be so sure
[07:56:00] mchou: that just proves my point :)
[07:56:00] MonMotha: I've followed multiple sets of directions TO THE LETTER and mine still doesn't work
[07:56:00] MonMotha: I've even done so on multiple machines running two different kernels (2.4.31 and 2.6.12)
[07:57:00] mchou: noboby but you two geniuses have problems with it.
[07:57:00] MonMotha: mchou: actually, there were two people in here earlier with my exact same problem
[07:57:00] mchou: lol, I know for a fact the driver doesnt work right on 2.4
[07:57:00] MonMotha: most of the directions I find are surprisingly weak on details or helpful hints. Basically amounts to: cd drivers, make, make install, depmod -a, modprobe ivtv, pray
[07:57:00] MonMotha: mchou: would help if they'd make it bitch at you then
[07:58:00] MonMotha: rather than silently failing
[07:58:00] MonMotha: personally, I think ivtv is a piece of shit
[07:58:00] MonMotha: but then that's just my opinion
[07:58:00] mchou: how is it silently failing? I tunes static.
[07:58:00] MonMotha: I had better luck with the horrible hack that was the original drivers for the pchdtv 3000
[07:58:00] mchou: (in your case)
[07:58:00] MonMotha: mchou: on 2.4? it purports to install and everything...just the tuner doens't work
[07:58:00] MonMotha: still tunes static
[07:59:00] MonMotha: and it tunes static, and gives no errors. I'd call that a failure (tuning static), and silent (no errors)
[07:59:00] GreyFoxx: monkeyontherun: Usually if a kernel module has a problem or fails it logs it to the kernel log. (try running dmesg) or you can shunt it to syslog. The only stuff you see when doing the module loading is issues loading the driver
[07:59:00] swim: im not even getting static
[07:59:00] GreyFoxx: oops, that should have said MonMotha
[07:59:00] MonMotha: GreyFoxx: yep, I know
[07:59:00] MonMotha: believe me, I know...I've written kernel modules :)
[07:59:00] mchou: never mind the debug flag :)
[08:00:00] MonMotha: the debug flag seems to not do jack shit
[08:00:00] MonMotha: modprobe ivtv ivtv_debug=1 gives me nothing more than not setting it
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[08:01:00] GreyFoxx: I never use that flag so I wouldn't know how much of a difference log wise it actually makes :)
[08:01:00] MonMotha: GreyFoxx: seems like none to me :)
[08:01:00] mchou: well, in that case, complain to hauppauge for not opening up the specs.
[08:01:00] MonMotha: mchou: actually, the problem is conexant
[08:01:00] mchou: reverse engineering is nobody's idea of fun.
[08:01:00] MonMotha: they want $10k for a dev kit
[08:02:00] mchou: well, connexant then.
[08:02:00] MonMotha: but you know what, that doesn't help me
[08:02:00] MonMotha: and the problem is not the MPEG encoder, that works (clearly)
[08:02:00] mchou: and stop bitching on this channel :)
[08:02:00] MonMotha: it's the god damn fscking tuner
[08:03:00] mchou: tuner aint a connexant problem.
[08:03:00] MonMotha: mchou: I'm aware. and hauppage is apparently fairly open with their tuner specs
[08:03:00] MonMotha: I'm half tempted to go slap a logic analyzer on the I2C bus on this thing and see what's actually happening, but I don't want to void the warranty in case it actually is dead
[08:04:00] mchou: lol.
[08:04:00] MonMotha: I design hardware like this...which is why I get really pissed off when it's some tiny little thing like this that doesn't work
[08:04:00] mchou: how hard is it to check in windows?
[08:04:00] mchou: lol
[08:04:00] MonMotha: mchou: I don't have a working copy of XP
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[08:04:00] MonMotha: and the driver hates win2k apparently
[08:05:00] mchou: you dont need XP. 2k works, according to hauppauge.
[08:05:00] MonMotha: so they say...I say it BSODs on startup once the driver is installed
[08:05:00] MonMotha: (on multiple systems)
[08:05:00] mchou: so guess who you should take your problems to?
[08:05:00] MonMotha: Microsoft, for making an OS that can kill itself over a bad TV tuner?
[08:06:00] mchou: haha, no kernel is resilient against "bad drivers"
[08:06:00] swim: hmm the pvr 250 is going for 90 at some places
[08:06:00] mchou: that includes linux.
[08:06:00] MoMiggins: with mythtv, is it possible / advisable to have all your pvr cards hooked to a centralized server, and what video cards can provide HD quality to the television?
[08:06:00] mchou: MoMiggins: yup, tthat's what I do.
[08:06:00] MonMotha: mchou: tries, though the linux kernel tends to at least tell you what happened, rather than giving a completely nonsensical error that wouldn't even tell me it was my TV tuner drivers if I hadn't known that anyway
[08:06:00] MonMotha: MoMiggins: does your TV have DVI inputs?
[08:06:00] MonMotha: if so, use it
[08:07:00] mchou: provided you can get all your cards to interoperate on one box :)
[08:07:00] MonMotha: otherwise, I think ATi makes a card with component HD output...crappy linux support though
[08:07:00] MonMotha: some HDTVs will also accept RGB VGA connections, and you can cook up a modeline to drive it at its native mode
[08:07:00] MonMotha: I have an ATSC 720p modeline if you like
[08:07:00] mchou: BSOD has the call stack. just like linux kernel panic.
[08:07:00] MonMotha: mchou: this one didn't...
[08:08:00] MoMiggins: my tv has hdmi, so yes i can use them however what i'm trying to figure out is do i need a gforce 7 or can i stick with a more basic card and get the same video playback results?
[08:08:00] MonMotha: MoMiggins: for DVI? pretty much anything will suffice
[08:08:00] MonMotha: I use a FC 5600 Ultra, but only because I have it anyway
[08:08:00] MonMotha: s/FC/FX/
[08:08:00] mchou: geforce 7? send it over to me :)
[08:08:00] swim: the pvr250 is well supported isnt it?
[08:08:00] MonMotha: swim: in theory
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[08:08:00] mchou: I need one for my a64 :)
[08:08:00] MonMotha: but in theory, the pvr150 works too
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[08:09:00] MonMotha: so far, I've heard of lots of people complaining it doesn't work, and a couple people who have it working
[08:09:00] swim: heh
[08:09:00] GreyFoxx: support for the 250 is much more mature than for the 500 or 150's
[08:09:00] MonMotha: yes
[08:09:00] swim: i had it working for about an hour and then switched systems
[08:09:00] MonMotha: dumbass
[08:09:00] swim: i know
[08:09:00] MonMotha: that'll teach you to mess with things that are working when hackish drivers are involved
[08:09:00] MoMiggins: how difficult was it to get them all to interoperate on one box mchou?
[08:10:00] swim: i didnt have a choice, i got my new sempron system for mythtv
[08:10:00] Atamido: My 150 was working after a lot of work to get it there, so I returned it and ordered a 500.
[08:10:00] mchou: after a lot of work??
[08:10:00] Atamido: Yeah.
[08:10:00] MonMotha: mine works flawlessly, except for the tuner, which is kinda sad really, since I know how to talk to those tuners...it's pitifully simple
[08:10:00] mchou: I dunno what you guys are talking about.
[08:10:00] MonMotha: I coul dprobably do it with a couple toggle switches and a latch :)
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[08:10:00] GreyFoxx: MonMotha: Then fix it
[08:10:00] swim: mchou, you actually have two 150's dont you?
[08:11:00] GreyFoxx: rather than whine about it
[08:11:00] mchou: I was one of the earliest adopters of 150 on this channel, back when ivtv really didnt work.
[08:11:00] MonMotha: GreyFoxx: I've been trying to figure out what's wrong with it first...the problem is that the output from the driver would seem to indicate that all is well
[08:11:00] mchou: and I got it up any running in less than one day.
[08:11:00] MonMotha: my next step is to turn on all the I2C debugging and see what it has to say. I wrote an I2C driver for 2.4 about a year back (well,kinda wrote...)
[08:11:00] GreyFoxx: MonMotha: You have the source, add more logging if it would be helpful
[08:11:00] MonMotha: so hopefully I can figure it out
[08:11:00] garrick: gah, can't for the life of me get multiple tuners to work
[08:11:00] MonMotha: GreyFoxx: I've looked at some of the ivtv source...I've seen 100 level CS students write better C
[08:11:00] mchou: and*
[08:11:00] swim: mchou, if you find it so easy, why dont you consider writting a little howto?
[08:12:00] MonMotha: yeah, actually oen of the most useful things would be a complete list of what kernel config options are required to make it work
[08:12:00] MoMiggins: how much can you gain by using a 64bit systems for myth?
[08:12:00] mchou: swim: why? all the documentation has been written. I just followed them.
[08:12:00] GreyFoxx: MonMotha: Then do something about it. Wrote better code. If it's etter than what's in there it would be used
[08:12:00] MonMotha: I've found some "hints" or "suggestions", but none of them seem conclusive
[08:12:00] MonMotha: I may just have some conflict with I2C somewhere that I can't spot
[08:13:00] mchou: MoMiggins: if you watch prerecorded HDTV a64 comes in very handy.
[08:13:00] ** GreyFoxx hugs his stack of 250's **
[08:13:00] swim: mchou, there are tons of conflicting documentation, so Im not sure what documentation you use that works
[08:13:00] mchou: use the autoritative documentation in the ivtv source tree.
[08:14:00] mchou: MoMiggins: if all you do is watch NTSC (and the like) I dont think a64 buys you much (except a quiet and cool processor)
[08:15:00] swim: ok the ivtv autodetect sees the pvr 150 as type 50, but the docs in the ivtv tree say its type 47
[08:15:00] mchou: lol
[08:15:00] MoMiggins: when you said any dvi output would work did you also mean onboard? or do you have an suggestions?
[08:15:00] MonMotha: swim: depends on revision, mce/retail, etc.
[08:15:00] MonMotha: Hauppage seems to change their tuner type with every lot
[08:15:00] swim: MonMotha, which is the 150 retail supposed to be?
[08:15:00] GreyFoxx: swim: There are more than one
[08:15:00] MonMotha: alright, I guess I can take my MythTV system down to do some testing since I don't have any recordings coming up
[08:16:00] GreyFoxx: they use a variety of tuners
[08:16:00] MonMotha: swim: current ones *appear* to be a type 50 (hauppage index 99), at least that's what tveeprom says mine is
[08:16:00] swim: ah I see, so letting it autodetect is best?
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[08:16:00] MonMotha: but then mine doesn't work, though it appears physically identical to someone elses that does work as type 50
[08:16:00] GreyFoxx: swim: Assuming autodetect finds the right one, otherwise you might need to manually specify
[08:16:00] Atamido: From the ivtv-devel list, "I'm trying to put as many PVR350 cards into one machine as possible, but I am encountering some problems. The machine I'm using is a server system with a backplane which contains a PCI Bridge Backplane giving it 17 PCI slots (PX-20S3 from ICP Electronics Inc)."
[08:16:00] MonMotha: letting it autodetect would seem to be the prudent course of action
[08:16:00] swim: i guess Ill try 47 again, that is what I had working at one point
[08:17:00] mchou: tveeprom is invariably correct.
[08:17:00] MonMotha: you can often get it working with the wrong tuner, but it won't tune one end of the spectrum, it'll drift, be off frequency, etc.
[08:17:00] swim: mchou, so "autodetect" is likley correct?
[08:18:00] mchou: unless you have an old tveeprom module.
[08:18:00] MonMotha: yes, I'm guessing that it's reading the eeprom correctly (which, incidentally, also means that the I2C bus that originates at the conexant encoder is working correctly)
[08:18:00] swim: no the latest
[08:18:00] Atamido: Getting 17 PVR-350's into a single system would be pretty impressive.
[08:18:00] swim: hehe
[08:18:00] MonMotha: you may need to move tveeprom that comes with your kernel out of the way
[08:18:00] mchou: Atamido: wtf for?
[08:18:00] mchou: 1 350 would be enough.
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[08:18:00] mchou: the rest 150/250
[08:19:00] Atamido: I don't know what you would need it for, but it would still be pretty impressive.
[08:20:00] mchou: I'd trust tveeprom over any radom guesses like you guys are doing any day.
[08:20:00] mchou: and you can actually that the tveeprom readings are correct by looking at the label on the tuner.
[08:20:00] Atamido: He claims that there is a 9 card hard limit within the driver.
[08:20:00] swim: random? getting it from the ivtv tree docs is random?
[08:20:00] mchou: swim: you must be daft.
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[08:21:00] mchou: when the docs say type=47 it's using that as aan example.
[08:21:00] mchou: not as the fucking gospel.
[08:22:00] mchou: learn to fucking READ.
[08:22:00] swim: ok, i just expected when it says: type 47 for 150, would mean type 47 for card 150
[08:22:00] swim: but hey just curse at me that works too
[08:22:00] Atamido: Not all 150's are type 47.
[08:22:00] winga: anyone know how i can fix a segmentation fault when video starts to play, either prerecorded or livetv? using an epia
[08:22:00] mchou: like the docs also has two cards as an example.
[08:23:00] swim: "tuner type is (47) for pvr 150's"
[08:23:00] mchou: which obviously does not apply to you if you only have one card.
[08:23:00] winga: i'm not finding any leads in any log files
[08:24:00] Atamido: swim: The 150 MCE, which has no special labelling, is type 50.
[08:24:00] mchou: Atamido: huh??
[08:24:00] Atamido: swim: Here are scans of my PVR-150 MCE. http://commo.de/pvr-150_mce/
[08:24:00] mchou: I have not seen anyone with 150MCE with type 50.
[08:24:00] swim: i actually have a pvr retail
[08:25:00] Atamido: swim: I bought mine retail.
[08:25:00] mchou: 150 retail is most likely 50. But not MCE.
[08:25:00] mchou: lol.
[08:25:00] mchou: there is 150MCE and 150 Retail.
[08:25:00] mchou: MCE is never 50 because it has radio.
[08:26:00] mchou: and retail does not.
[08:26:00] ** Atamido wonders what he's supposed to do with the radio on his retail MCE. **
[08:26:00] mchou: this is like the blind leading the blind.....
[08:26:00] mchou: Atamido: lol, be a dufus.
[08:27:00] Atamido: If I still had it, I would scan the box that says, "For Windows Media Center Edition"
[08:28:00] MonMotha: my guess is that I have a conflict with I2C somewhere because I've got a bunch of other I2C stuff for video capture devices going only (cx88-dvb seems kinda invasive)
[08:28:00] mchou: Atamido: what color was your box?
[08:29:00] Atamido: Orange.
[08:29:00] MonMotha: http://commo.de/pvr-150_mce/pvr-150_mce_front-medium.jpg
[08:29:00] MonMotha: that's a tuner type 50
[08:29:00] MonMotha: (at least, that's what I have, and it is ID'd as 50, and 50 seems to be the closest to working)
[08:30:00] mchou: Atamido: that's the retail version, not the MCE version.
[08:30:00] MonMotha: true
[08:30:00] MonMotha: I thought he said he had a retail
[08:30:00] mchou: MCE version would have come in a White box.
[08:30:00] Atamido: So that hocus pocus about being for Windows MCE was a lie?!?
[08:30:00] Atamido: Kill the Hauppauge!
[08:31:00] mchou: MonMotha: [23:24:01] <Atamido> swim: The 150 MCE, which has no special labelling, is type 50.
[08:31:00] mchou: Atamido: I think you're just confused beyond all help.
[08:32:00] mchou: you bought the retail version thinking it was MCE, which it is not.
[08:32:00] Atamido: I assumed that because the box actually said, "For Windows Media Center", it was the Media Center Edition.
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[08:32:00] Atamido: I should have known better.
[08:37:00] swim: whats the VIDIOC_G_FREQUENCY supposed to be set to?
[08:37:00] mchou: sigh....
[08:38:00] mchou: I'm done with you Einsteins.
[08:38:00] swim: yes I get it mchou youve had enough... just dont pay atention to me
[08:38:00] swim: Im not asking you anymore
[08:38:00] Atamido: For me, everything seemed to be detected automagically once IVTV actually started working.
[08:39:00] mchou: bullshit
[08:39:00] mchou: you had to tune to a channel.
[08:39:00] mchou: at least once.
[08:40:00] Atamido: I tuned to channel 5?
[08:40:00] Atamido: Then 58 (SciFi), etc.
[08:40:00] mchou: lol. and how did you ivtv tune it?
[08:40:00] mchou: strike you* from above question......
[08:40:00] Atamido: Heck if I know.
[08:41:00] mchou: right. exactly.
[08:41:00] Atamido: Note the word, "automagically"
[08:41:00] mchou: automagically my ass.
[08:41:00] mchou: ivtv driver read your mind and knew you wanted sci fi.
[08:42:00] Atamido: I typed "58" in using the keypad.
[08:42:00] mchou: now we getting somewhere......
[08:42:00] Atamido: Fortunately I already knew 58 was the SciFi channel.
[08:42:00] MonMotha: mchou: what kernel are you using?
[08:42:00] MonMotha: I seem to recall 2.6.11.something
[08:43:00] mchou: I told you already 2x.
[08:43:00] Atamido: swim: I mostly just followed the instructions from here. http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=Haupp . . . Installation
[08:43:00] MonMotha: mchou: yes, and now I'm actually in a position to go download the damn archive
[08:43:00] MonMotha: I'm sorry it's out of my scrollback buffer and I don't have perfect memory
[08:43:00] MonMotha: that and I've talked with like 5 other people about this
[08:43:00] Atamido: I think he needs a chill pill.
[08:44:00] Atamido: Or a nap.
[08:44:00] swim: Atamido, I hate those instructions, if you notice they are not at all straight forward
[08:44:00] Atamido: I always feel less cranky after a nap.
[08:44:00] mchou: haha!!
[08:44:00] Atamido: swim: Yeah, but after you do them enough times they start to make a twisted kind of sense.
[08:44:00] MonMotha: I am trying to get a working config (even if it's not suitable for my normal use) so that I can figure out what changes between the working one and the non-working one
[08:44:00] mchou: the instructions couldnt be more strightforward.
[08:45:00] MonMotha: the only thing that has been constant with all my configruations so far (that used 2.6) was that I was using 2.6.12 and I had cx88-dvb compiled in
[08:45:00] swim: hehe
[08:45:00] MonMotha: so, I'm attempting to use a known working kernel with the bare minimum
[08:45:00] MonMotha: however, I need a known working kernel, preferably vanilla (not patched up by a distro)
[08:45:00] swim: these instructions are straightforward to noone http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=Haupp . . . Installation
[08:46:00] mchou: I never recommended those.
[08:46:00] swim: haha! again catting /dev/video0 resulted in an empty file
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[08:46:00] swim: i never said you did
[08:46:00] mchou: wikis are a waste.
[08:46:00] Atamido: swim: Note the connection of my use of the term "twisted" and mchou's connection.
[08:47:00] Atamido: swim: If you are using a recent ivtv and the card isn't autodetected, there is probably something very wrong.
[08:48:00] Atamido: swim: What does it detect as if you don't try to specify the type?
[08:48:00] swim: Atamido, it is autodetecting fine
[08:48:00] Atamido: :)
[08:48:00] swim: a pvr 150 type 50
[08:49:00] Atamido: swim: Post the contents of the IVTV log somewhere for people to gawk at.
[08:50:00] swim: sure
[08:50:00] Atamido: ivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ====================
[08:50:00] Atamido: Etc....
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[08:51:00] swim: weird i just rebooted and it didnt load... i had to do it manually
[08:52:00] mchou: lol
[08:52:00] swim: ivtv that is
[08:52:00] banyan: heyas — if the frontend is complaining that "Remote encoder not responding" what would be going on there?
[08:52:00] mchou: ivtv never loads automatically
[08:52:00] Atamido: Except for me.
[08:53:00] banyan: stick a few lines in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local to load the modules.
[08:53:00] mchou: unless you've messed with udev.
[08:53:00] Atamido: Well, "automagically" for me.  :P
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[09:01:00] banyan: I have two things going on that shouldn't be — my frontend doesn't think that anything is scheduled to record; and my frontend can't seem to control my backend (which are actually the same PC)
[09:03:00] banyan: Does this indicate that there's some disconnect in what my backend thinks its hostname is?
[09:06:00] swim: ok still getting a 0byte file when catting /dev/video0 to test.mpg, my init ivtv is at: http://pastebin.ca/16768 if anyone is interested
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[09:33:00] Atamido: I wonder if it is important that I have:
[09:33:00] Atamido: saa7115: starting probe for adapter ivtv i2c driver #0 (0x10005)
[09:33:00] Atamido: And you have:
[09:33:00] Atamido: cx25840: starting probe for adapter ivtv i2c driver #0 (0x10005)
[09:33:00] Atamido: cx25840: detecting cx25840 client on address 0x88
[09:33:00] Atamido: cx25840: cx25841–23 found. Initializing...
[09:34:00] swim: hmm yours works ok?
[09:34:00] Atamido: Yeah.
[09:34:00] swim: do you have cx25840 loaded?
[09:34:00] Atamido: Well, it did until I returned it and ordered the 500.
[09:34:00] Atamido: Here is the contents of mine. http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=28068#28068
[09:35:00] swim: you know that the 500 is just 2 150's right?
[09:36:00] Atamido: Yep.
[09:37:00] swim: Atamido, btw what distro are you running on?
[09:37:00] Atamido: But it will only be one card with a built in splitter.
[09:37:00] Atamido: Knoppmyth.
[09:37:00] swim: ah me too
[09:37:00] swim: is your card a 1045 ?
[09:38:00] swim: what options etc do you have in what files in /etc ?
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[09:38:00] Atamido: Probably. Pictures here. http://commo.de/pvr-150_mce/
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[09:39:00] Atamido: swim: My entire experience is cataloged starting here in the thread and ending at the end. http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . amp;start=15
[09:40:00] swim: Atamido, but what did you end up with?
[09:41:00] Atamido: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=28205#28205
[09:42:00] MonMotha: hum, does anyone have IE handy?
[09:42:00] swim: Atamido, looks pretty much like defaults eh?
[09:42:00] Atamido: Internet Explorer?
[09:43:00] MonMotha: yes
[09:43:00] Atamido: swim: Yep, defaults all the way.
[09:43:00] MonMotha: there's a web page here that I want to know how it renders in IE
[09:43:00] swim: so you didnt add anything new?
[09:43:00] Atamido: MonMotha: I'm in XP, so yeah.
[09:43:00] MonMotha: because it's completelly unusable in moz
[09:43:00] MonMotha: http://www.jancrystals.com/
[09:43:00] MonMotha: compare IE to gecko
[09:43:00] MonMotha: that is completely, utterly unusable in gecko
[09:43:00] MonMotha: not to mention that most of their "web pages" are just a giant image
[09:44:00] Atamido: It's the big image, followed by a list of links, followed by the smaller image(s).
[09:45:00] MonMotha: so the links are interspersed within the images?
[09:45:00] MonMotha: gecko renders the images one after another on top of the links
[09:46:00] MonMotha: I can remove the images with the nuke anything extension, but I still can't click the links. I've been browsing that website by reading the (horrid, autogenerated by MS WORD) HTML
[09:46:00] MonMotha: thanks though
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[09:47:00] Atamido: Heh.
[09:47:00] Atamido: Bad stuff.
[09:47:00] Atamido: swim: You can also read my post to the ivtv-devel list. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . rum_id=27233
[09:49:00] MonMotha: Atamido: yes, but they're one of the few manufacturers I know that does small quantities of custom crystals
[09:49:00] MonMotha: I guess I can just call them up on Tuesday
[09:49:00] swim: i hate this thing
[09:50:00] swim: if i dont get it working tonight im not dealing with it anymore
[09:50:00] Atamido: swim: What happens when you try to use it inside of MythTV?
[09:51:00] swim: nothing Atamido, doesnt see display anything
[09:52:00] Atamido: What about with ptune-ui?
[09:52:00] swim: never even used ptune-ui, ill check
[09:53:00] Atamido: Read that thread that I posted from mysettopbox.
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[09:58:00] swim: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144109 ooo pretty
[10:01:00] Atamido: swim: If I had money, I would just get something like this. http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4220&highlight=
[10:02:00] swim: gdamnit i dont get this at all, everything looks good and the godamned thing refuses to work
[10:03:00] swim: yah thats pretty nice too i saw a few cases like that
[10:03:00] swim: wow not cheap though
[10:05:00] Atamido: But garaunteed to work out of the box with Myth.
[10:06:00] MonMotha: bah, HD is easy
[10:06:00] swim: eh Id rather do it myself, its this f*ing card, not my knowledge
[10:06:00] MonMotha: it's the damn PVR-150s that are hard :)
[10:06:00] swim: or ability
[10:06:00] ** MonMotha builds kernel **
[10:08:00] swim: i think i will get that aspire actually
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[10:08:00] swim: i need a new ps anyways
[10:08:00] swim: make sure my mobo will fit in it first of course
[10:09:00] Atamido: I got the 150 to work somehow, I don't know what the heck I'm doing in Linux.
[10:09:00] Atamido: I assume I got lucky.
[10:09:00] Atamido: 9 months ago I tried for 2 weeks to get MythTV to work in Gentoo before giving up.
[10:10:00] swim: gentoo is tricky sometimes
[10:10:00] swim: i find freebsd easier to use then gentoo
[10:11:00] MonMotha: oh...soo much to do
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[10:12:00] swim: i wonder if my ati vidcard could be conflicting with the pvr... i heard there are lots of issues with it
[10:13:00] swim: with them, and mythtv that is
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[10:28:00] Atamido: I think you actually have to compile the HolyWater module into the kernel to use an ATI card in Linux.
[10:29:00] swim: no you dont
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[10:30:00] poonj: hey guys, anyone here use a PVR-150? I'm confused as to which firmware I need to use for the ivtv driver...
[10:31:00] Atamido: poonj: Try them all.
[10:31:00] poonj: try them all?
[10:31:00] Atamido: I actually just downloaded the latest one from their website and it worked fine for me.
[10:31:00] poonj: do I use the one for the PVR-250 as well?
[10:32:00] Atamido: 01-07–05 14264 bytes
[10:32:00] Atamido: I would assume not, but I don't really know.
[10:33:00] poonj: okay
[10:33:00] poonj: I use the recommended one
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[10:34:00] swim: weirder than all shit
[10:35:00] swim: either the card wasnt seated well, or the mb doesnt like all slots filled
[10:35:00] swim: or...
[10:35:00] swim: it doesnt like the pci slot 4
[10:36:00] swim: it works thank goodness i didnt feel like dealing with returns
[10:39:00] Atamido: lol
[10:39:00] Atamido: That's awesome.
[10:39:00] swim: :) yup
[10:39:00] swim: well sort of
[10:40:00] swim: i hope the boards not damaged I guess I should make sure its not
[10:50:00] swim: cool it was just seated poorly
[10:50:00] swim: now i can spend money on a case instead
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[11:00:00] garrick: oh joy...
[11:00:00] garrick: irq 18: nobody cared!
[11:00:00] garrick: [<c0107bfe>] dump_stack+0x1e/0x20
[11:00:00] garrick: neat little stack dump every time I try to use the new PVR 500 now
[11:08:00] fryfrog: woo woo!
[11:08:00] fryfrog: time for new drivers, module reload or a reboot!
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[11:11:00] garrick: I'm on very latest 0.3 now
[11:11:00] garrick: guess I can try older drivers
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[11:19:00] poonj: hey guys..
[11:19:00] poonj: after loading the modules and setting up /etc/modules.conf
[11:19:00] poonj: it should create the /dev files for the card right?
[11:20:00] poonj: /dev/video0 etc..
[11:20:00] garrick: using 2.4? only if you are using devfs
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[12:21:00] adante: is there a way to specify 2 files directories for mythvideo?
[12:22:00] adante: or do something to that effect so I can browse the video repositories of multiple computers
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[12:31:00] brejc8: adante: why not make one of the directorys contain the other or a soft link to the other
[12:41:00] adante: brejc8: guess i'll do that, thanks
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[13:02:00] lodovic: Hello
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[13:27:00] CanadaBoy: can anyone help me setup vcn so that it vnc's into my current x session?
[13:28:00] fatmatt: the desktop x session?
[13:29:00] CanadaBoy: ya when i vnc in now i get a new session
[13:29:00] CanadaBoy: i want to vnc ito th current session
[13:29:00] fatmatt: not sure how you'd do that..
[13:30:00] adante: CanadaBoy: i was just trying to hunt down a wiki article for it but it appears they've deleted it :/
[13:30:00] CanadaBoy: ok no worries ... what kind of remote are u using?
[13:30:00] CanadaBoy: adante: nuts!
[13:30:00] adante: it is possible to do, i'm currently doing it
[13:30:00] CanadaBoy: i know it i wanted to know howto :-P
[13:31:00] CanadaBoy: i just lost my remote ... won't do anything anymore ...
[13:31:00] CanadaBoy: doesn't appear to be the batteries
[13:33:00] adante: CanadaBoy: there's 2 ways to do it, 1 is an x server module, the other is an x client
[13:33:00] adante: i'm trying to remember the name right now so yeah, hangon :]
[13:33:00] CanadaBoy: np take your time ..
[13:34:00] CanadaBoy: ha ha somehow while i was sleeping the remote wire got unplugged, go figure
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[13:34:00] CanadaBoy: adante: if u remeber or find a wiki drop me a /msg ... thanks
[13:35:00] adante: CanadaBoy: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_TightVNC_connect . . . rent_session
[13:36:00] adante: gentoo specific but the principles are the same
[13:36:00] adante: if that's too much effort for you look for a program called x11vnc, will also let you do it
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[14:41:00] Araldit: Is it possible to play a DVD rip that is placed on the harddrive, with menus and all?
[14:41:00] Araldit: With XINE ofcource
[14:41:00] laga: does your dvdrip still have its menus?
[14:41:00] Araldit: I can have it play the VOB files independently
[14:41:00] Araldit: laga: Yes
[14:42:00] laga: make a playlist?
[14:42:00] laga: wait. are the menus in the .vob files?
[14:42:00] Araldit: In one of em
[14:42:00] Araldit: yes
[14:43:00] laga: well, xine should work then
[14:45:00] Araldit: I should just load the right file then
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[14:58:00] cnr0616: I need some help with nuvexport, downloaded the latest tarball from forevermore.net and extracted it. When I run ./nuvexport I process 0 out of 13299 frames. It takes forever to finish but does nothing?
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[15:21:00] cnr0616: I need some help with nuvexport, downloaded the latest tarball from forevermore.net and extracted it. When I run ./nuvexport I process 0 out of 13299 frames. It takes forever to finish but does nothing?
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[15:24:00] Zhukov_: hi
[15:24:00] Esoteric: cnr0616 ... it never finishes?
[15:24:00] Esoteric: cnr0616, what capture card are you using
[15:26:00] Zhukov_: can anyone just help me with a quick question? ive searched along, but the info i found was a bit confusing
[15:26:00] Tommck: cnr0616 – you have to respond in order to get help ;)
[15:26:00] Tommck: Zhukov_ – just ask the question... we'll answer or ridicule as we see fit ;)
[15:27:00] ** Esoteric agrees with Tommck **
[15:27:00] Zhukov_: I want to make a mythtv box, and i wnat to know if a Gainward GeForce 2 MX 400 64Mb W/TV-Out is a good choice. Not the best, but a reasonable one. Basically i wanna know if it will do the job.
[15:27:00] Esoteric: GeForce with TV-Out = GOOD
[15:27:00] Tommck: I bet it will be OK... in general, nVidia cards are good.
[15:27:00] Esoteric: ATI with TV-Out = BAD
[15:28:00] Tommck: it will work
[15:28:00] Zhukov_: Ok, thanks a lot :)
[15:28:00] Tommck: I use a GeFOrce FX 5200 w/ TV out for one of my front ends... it works fine
[15:28:00] Zhukov_: and since i have no tv-in card, what do you suggest? Ill buy a new one
[15:28:00] Tommck: low-def, I assume?
[15:29:00] Zhukov_: enough to see something :)
[15:29:00] Tommck: Zhukov_ – which is more important, money or time?
[15:29:00] Zhukov_: both, but im willing to spend a bit more money :)
[15:30:00] Tommck: well... I would tell anyone who doesn't mind tinkering a little to get a Hauppauge PVR-150
[15:30:00] Tommck: this might "just work" for you..
[15:30:00] Tommck: or it might take a little playing around
[15:30:00] Tommck: if you absolutely had to have something that works with no questions, I'd get a PVR-250, but it's about twice as much (IIRC)
[15:31:00] Tommck: they are functionally equivalent..
[15:31:00] Tommck: the PVR-150 is just newer design... less chips... thus less money
[15:31:00] Esoteric: Tommck, I have a PVR-150, I don't have any issues with it
[15:31:00] Zhukov_: ok, thats all i need to know. Thank you very much :D
[15:31:00] Tommck: Esoteric – yeah.. I have a PVR-500... no issues really either
[15:32:00] Tommck: Zhukov_ – do you think you'll expand later?
[15:33:00] Zhukov_: maybe. Now im just starting from scratch, wanna make a box. Maybe later on ill upgrade it.
[15:33:00] Zhukov_: and i dont want to spend a fortune, but i want a reasonable thing
[15:33:00] Tommck: well... you might just want to go with the PVR-500... it's one card... two tuners... almost exactly like 2 pvr-150 cards :)
[15:33:00] Tommck: Zhukov_ – what kind of TV input? cable? satellite?
[15:34:00] Tommck: will it be coax cable? or s-video in?
[15:34:00] Tommck: is there a set top box involved?
[15:34:00] Zhukov_: its cable. and coax cable
[15:34:00] Zhukov_: no
[15:34:00] Zhukov_: just coax cable
[15:34:00] Tommck: oh... easy then.
[15:35:00] Tommck: no external channel changers or IR blasters needed
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[15:36:00] Zhukov_: excellent :) im also confident a sempron 2400+ (1.67Ghz) and 256 MB Ram will sufice, from what i saw in the forums :) Now with these cards ill have my mythmedia box. Thanks everyone once again.
[15:36:00] Tommck: yeah.. should be fine...
[15:37:00] Tommck: are you a Linux guy?
[15:38:00] Esoteric: hey Tommck, you heard of when the next version of myth will be released?
[15:38:00] Zhukov_: 2 and something years linux only user.debian. ubuntu now.
[15:39:00] Tommck: Esoteric – no
[15:39:00] Tommck: Zhukov_ – cool... so.. if you run something trimmed down (i.e. not a full KDE desktop), the 256MB will be fine
[15:39:00] Tommck: Esoteric – last time I got latest, it was under CVS and they weren't doing point releases yet :)
[15:40:00] Zhukov_: nice
[15:40:00] Zhukov_: gotta go. hasta.
[15:41:00] Tommck: bye Zhukov_
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[15:43:00] honey: hi. i'm pretty lost. using dvb, and there doesn't seem to be a channels.conf-import.pl script in the latest mythtv distributons. Ashlar passed me on one last night for 0.18 from somewhere, and that's not looking in ~/.mythtv/ for mysql.txt – only central places like /usr/share/mythtv (where i don't have one). obviously i can hack the perl to look in ~, but am i going about this the wrong way here?
[15:43:00] Tommck: sorry... no idea about DVB stuff
[15:43:00] honey: hm thanks Tommck. anyone?
[15:44:00] Tommck: honey – I just figured that it's better to ge a response than absolute silence, which I seem to get a lot :)
[15:44:00] honey: :)
[15:44:00] honey: might risk a repeat question in #dvb, but it's often very quiet there
[15:46:00] Tommck: ah.
[15:46:00] Tommck: I will probably have to learn more about the DVB stuff soon, because they're apparently going to drop support for the old-style drivers for the pcHDTV cards
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[15:51:00] honey: i'm not very clued up on mythtv in general, unfortunately. i did get it working once :) trying again now and quite lost
[15:52:00] Tommck: honey – yeah... it can be frustrating..
[15:52:00] Tommck: I suggest lots of mailing list and google searching
[15:52:00] Tommck: reading Jarod's guide?
[15:52:00] roam: honey: yes, kind of strange that it's missing from the distribution
[15:52:00] roam: honey: but it works well, once you filled the database manually with dummies.
[15:53:00] honey: roam, yes, i'm thinking it's gone for a reason, but i don't know why
[15:53:00] honey: roam, dummies?
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[15:53:00] roam: could just have been deleted by accident
[15:54:00] roam: honey: it doesn't work if there are no entries in the database.
[15:54:00] honey: roam, actually it doesn't seem to be there in 0.17 either
[15:54:00] honey: roam, entries for what?
[15:54:00] honey: i hacked it, ran it and it did nothing
[15:54:00] roam: honey: cause it just updates the entries, not creates them
[15:54:00] roam: honey: entries for channes.
[15:54:00] roam: honey: entries for channls.
[15:55:00] honey: roam, so it needs what? one channel in there? or all with blanks?
[15:55:00] honey: you had to insert these manually with sql?
[15:55:00] roam: honey: you have to preseed the database.
[15:55:00] honey: roam, how?
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[15:55:00] roam: honey: the script just looks for a match and replaces the data with the one from channels.conf.
[15:56:00] honey: i swear i didn't have to last time. last time. channels.conf-import.pl just produced some SQL for me with replace commands, which i then ran
[15:56:00] roam: honey: Depends on your location
[15:56:00] honey: roam, but did you have to write sql for each channel to pre-seed it?
[15:57:00] roam: honey: no, I got it with mythfilldatabase --manual, but that depends on your location
[15:57:00] roam: honey: mythtv-setup will tell you
[15:57:00] honey: manual – hmm. i can't even filldatabase yet as i don't have the grabbers working
[15:58:00] roam: you should before you try to add channels.
[15:58:00] honey: roam, i'm wondering if the table format has changed in ~6 months. i have the sql to set up the channels still :)
[15:58:00] honey: i see. xmltv seems to have a lot of perl dependencies
[15:59:00] honey: roam, the reason i'm suspicious that i'm missing something obvious, is that zap2myth, which claimed to do the same job, now says "not needed anymore": http://brej.org/dvb/index.html
[15:59:00] honey: but i don't know why.
[15:59:00] Tommck: honey – are you using Zap2it?
[16:00:00] honey: Tommck, that sounds like a 3rd one :) what's that?
[16:00:00] Tommck: Zap2it.com they provide TV listings for North America
[16:00:00] honey: ah – uk here
[16:00:00] honey: radio times or bleb i guess
[16:00:00] Tommck: ok.. then you're not using anything Zap2it-related
[16:00:00] honey: nope
[16:01:00] Tommck: I actually don't know what zap2myth is, but it sounds related
[16:01:00] honey: but xmltv is THE only way to grab listings and mythfilldatabase, right?
[16:01:00] honey: Tommck, zap2myth claims to do the same as channels.conf-import – dvb channels
[16:01:00] Tommck: no... if you're in north america, zap2it is better (built-in support in myth)
[16:02:00] Tommck: ah..
[16:02:00] Tommck: but xmltv is all you can use as far as I know
[16:02:00] honey: ok thanks
[16:02:00] honey: just *have* to hack it into place neatly somehow then
[16:03:00] roam: honey: interesting script
[16:03:00] honey: roam, yes, i'm wondering why it says "not necessary now"
[16:03:00] Tommck: anyone know if you can run nuvexport on a remote front end?
[16:04:00] honey: as if there's some new simpler technique i'm missing
[16:05:00] roam: honey: there might be some simpler technique, but it's not documented well.
[16:05:00] honey: no. i'm wondering how to even find *out* if i'm missing something
[16:06:00] honey: i'm presuming i can do everything myth-related as a user, not root? like mythfilldatabase, mythtvsetup etc.?
[16:06:00] GeckoFiend: might be missing something here but. in NA xmltv isn't used anymore
[16:07:00] Tommck: GeckoFiend – yeah... but she's UK
[16:07:00] honey: GeckoFiend, what's used instead?
[16:07:00] honey: yes...
[16:07:00] GeckoFiend: in the UK yeah it's still xmltv
[16:07:00] honey: ah, ok. sigh :
[16:07:00] Tommck: GeckoFiend – can I run nuvexport on a remote frontend?
[16:07:00] GeckoFiend: and there's some sort of "run mythfilldatabase --manual" hoops you have to jump though
[16:08:00] GeckoFiend: Tommck as long as you have the recordings NFS mounted it should work fine
[16:08:00] Tommck: GeckoFiend – cool... seems to make more sense to take advantage of my idle 3.2GHz front-end for that :)
[16:09:00] honey: hmm thanks
[16:14:00] fatmatt: anyone know of something tthat can d/l podcasts in linux?
[16:14:00] fatmatt: ie, read the rss, figure out its new and d/l it
[16:15:00] fatmatt: that would be a cool feature for mythusic
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[16:16:00] roam: zap2myth.pl doesn't really work here.
[16:23:00] Tommck: anyone know why my machine would not have perl's DBI.pm package on it?
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[16:23:00] Tommck: seems pretty standard
[16:23:00] honey: roam, i didn't try it
[16:23:00] travolta: Tommck, what distro you have?
[16:23:00] Tommck: travolta – SuSE
[16:23:00] Tommck: travolta – but my other box with the same OS has it..
[16:24:00] Tommck: but I might have installed it once somehow
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[16:29:00] silent_runner: hello i have a chaintech nforce 3 250 mainboard running gentoo amd64 i want to use mythtv on my plasma and a standard desktop on a seprate tft is this possible ?
[16:30:00] travolta: silent_runner, what is the problem you see in your setup ?
[16:30:00] silent_runner: the 64 bit os
[16:31:00] silent_runner: also i need to intergrate with sky+
[16:31:00] travolta: i dont think it matters if youre compiling from source
[16:31:00] silent_runner: but thats un related
[16:31:00] Tommck: silent if you have an s-video out to the plasma, then it should work fine, as far as I know
[16:31:00] Tommck: silent_runner – what kinda video card?
[16:32:00] silent_runner: um ive forgotten ill have a look
[16:32:00] silent_runner: old machine
[16:33:00] silent_runner: fx 5900 xt
[16:33:00] Tommck: silent_runner – is there an s-video out?
[16:33:00] silent_runner: its an old pc i have kicking about 2gb corasir amd 3200 onboard sound
[16:34:00] silent_runner: i was planning to get the plextor mpeg4 external encoder since it has linux drivers i am hoping these will work under 64bit
[16:35:00] Tommck: silent_runner – does that work with Myth?
[16:35:00] silent_runner: yes i got the idea from the myth website
[16:36:00] Tommck: cool
[16:36:00] silent_runner: my gcard has tv-out i was almost sure it had an svid adaptor
[16:36:00] Tommck: well... I believe the nVidia drivers can drive both the TV and the s-video at the same time, so you should be good
[16:36:00] silent_runner: same mini din style connector
[16:36:00] Tommck: though I'd verify that by looking at the nVidia readme
[16:37:00] Tommck: what manufacturer card?
[16:37:00] silent_runner: xforce
[16:37:00] silent_runner: xforce
[16:37:00] silent_runner: xforce
[16:37:00] Tommck: ok... I know ASUS has some proprietary connector that kinda looks like svideo, but I doubt many others do
[16:37:00] Tommck: so you're saying "xforce" ?
[16:37:00] silent_runner: sorry yes
[16:38:00] silent_runner: xfce
[16:38:00] silent_runner: my bad i hate using chatzilla
[16:38:00] Tommck: ah
[16:39:00] silent_runner: kept blanking my screen so i couldnt see what i had typed ;-)
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[16:39:00] icyjohnny675: hello *waves*
[16:39:00] silent_runner: it has 1 dvi i tv out and one vga but i am almost sure it supports svideo via the tvout
[16:40:00] silent_runner: if not cant i just use a yellow rca as my plasma supports it?
[16:40:00] Tommck: silent_runner – you'll have to see the abilities of the driver... maybe it can do DVI and VGA at the same time, but, for some reason, I doubt it
[16:40:00] silent_runner: ohh not thats no problem i run it in dual head all the time
[16:41:00] Tommck: silent_runner your plasma supports DVI?
[16:41:00] Tommck: I would use that if it's an option
[16:41:00] silent_runner: of course all my displays only provide vga so i have to use an adaptor but i can still use two monitors
[16:41:00] silent_runner: yes
[16:41:00] travolta: is your tv-out a rca style output or svideo ?
[16:41:00] Tommck: cool. I'd use DVI for the TV and VGA for your monitor
[16:42:00] silent_runner: this is where i am a bit confused it says tv-out but it is a mini din like svideo
[16:42:00] Tommck: then it's s-video
[16:43:00] silent_runner: i am thinking they just supply a svid to rca cable
[16:43:00] Tommck: it's just a matter of seeing if the nVidia drivers will do DVI & VGA at the same time
[16:43:00] silent_runner: they do i had a lovley xinerama setup on this card
[16:44:00] silent_runner: has anyone used the plextor external boix ?
[16:44:00] travolta: i'm pretty sure nvidia's drivers can do dvi and vga and tvout at same time, their example xorg.conf has an example like that
[16:44:00] Tommck: that's cool
[16:45:00] silent_runner: has anyone intergrated sky+ with myth ?
[16:45:00] Tommck: I'd be surprised if someone hasn't
[16:46:00] Tommck: oh.. wait
[16:46:00] Tommck: sky+ is a Tivo-like thing?
[16:46:00] Tommck: another PVR?
[16:46:00] silent_runner: i am delited myth has come on when i first looked it was a bit ugly
[16:46:00] silent_runner: yes tivo ish
[16:46:00] Tommck: oh... then I have no idea
[16:46:00] Tommck: and doubt it :)
[16:46:00] Tommck: I assumed it was another satellite tv vendor :)
[16:46:00] silent_runner: i nearly got a mce2500
[16:47:00] silent_runner: and now i get to build my own ir interface this makes me happy :-)
[16:47:00] Tommck: you need IR?
[16:47:00] Tommck: oh... for input?
[16:47:00] silent_runner: and to get myth to switch the digivbox
[16:48:00] Tommck: oh... there is a box...
[16:48:00] silent_runner: so i get to go to radioshack
[16:48:00] Tommck: does it support serial cable control?
[16:48:00] silent_runner: no its a bit funny
[16:48:00] Tommck: too bad
[16:48:00] Tommck: I use an IR-keyboard
[16:48:00] silent_runner: http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/
[16:49:00] silent_runner: it has a myth plugin
[16:49:00] Tommck: neat
[16:49:00] Tommck: with an IR keyboard, I didn't need to mess with LIRC at all :)
[16:49:00] silent_runner: which remote do you recomend to get the best from myth
[16:50:00] Tommck: I use an expensive remote that I had before Myth
[16:50:00] silent_runner: i want a handheld its for my front room keyboard a bit cumbersome
[16:50:00] Tommck: it's the Theater Master MX-700
[16:50:00] Tommck: silent_runner – the point is that the IR can be learned by a remote... but you don't need to use LIRC to do it
[16:50:00] Tommck: the remote buttons are just letters on the keyboard which go into the PS2 connector
[16:51:00] Tommck: it's great if you don't need lirc
[16:51:00] silent_runner: i was thinking of the logitech denuvo keyboard with the removable numpad has anyone got this running under linux yet ?
[16:51:00] Tommck: one less moving part
[16:52:00] Tommck: dunno
[16:52:00] Tommck: silent_runner – it's also great for separate front-ends
[16:52:00] silent_runner: jesus £250 for a remote man i doubt ill go for the Theater Master MX-700
[16:53:00] Tommck: silent_runner – hehe.. I found it for US$200
[16:53:00] Tommck: it's a really nice remote..
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[16:53:00] Tommck: the only problem is that it requires Windows to program
[16:53:00] silent_runner: i was thinking of using my ipaq
[16:54:00] ** jams uses the mx-500 **
[16:54:00] Tommck: I've heard of that... but they're not made for it... seems like a conquest, but not a practical solution
[16:55:00] silent_runner: i have a remote control designer on it that lets you draw buttons and input ir codes
[16:55:00] Tommck: silent_runner – yeah.. but you can't change channels without looking at it
[16:55:00] silent_runner: true
[16:56:00] Tommck: I hate that...
[16:56:00] silent_runner: do you know how hard it is to find an IP enabled toaster i was trying to make my whole house accessible over the internet
[16:56:00] silent_runner: hence why myth is great!
[16:56:00] Tommck: people are always so in love with their touch screen remotes that they probably have sex with them... to me, I don't want to have to look to change channels
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[16:56:00] laga: hmm, sex
[16:57:00] silent_runner: laga its better IRL than IRC
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[16:57:00] silent_runner: #tommck good point
[16:58:00] silent_runner: tommck good point
[16:58:00] laga: silent_runner: heh
[16:58:00] Tommck: yeah... that's why I like the MX-700.. it's ridiculously configurable... and it's all buttons
[16:58:00] Tommck: there's a display at top, but no touch screen
[16:59:00] silent_runner: there is a sky remote called the mavigator that has a qwerty keyboard in it i may try to get that working then i can jabber on my tv
[16:59:00] Tommck: I originally thought I'd use my TV as an internet station... never did it...
[16:59:00] silent_runner: has anyone used mythphone?
[16:59:00] Tommck: it's so low-res, It's useless for web browsing
[17:00:00] silent_runner: yes but for IM it should be ok
[17:00:00] Tommck: probably
[17:00:00] Tommck: but you want people annoying you while you watch TV?
[17:00:00] Tommck: isn't that what a gf / wife is for?
[17:01:00] silent_runner: i would like to make a IM plugin in a sort of video overlay method for myth
[17:01:00] silent_runner: #ROFLMOA
[17:01:00] Tommck: :)
[17:01:00] silent_runner: ROFLMOA
[17:01:00] roam: I think I got my channels and backend setup. When I try to watch tw I get nothing. The terminal says:
[17:01:00] roam: 2005-07–03 16:53:52.410 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
[17:01:00] roam: 2005-07–03 16:53:52.410 Decoder not alive, and trying to play..
[17:01:00] roam: 2005-07–03 16:53:54.355 Changing from None to None
[17:01:00] roam: 2005-07–03 16:53:54.395 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[17:01:00] roam: 2005-07–03 16:54:48.210 All Programs
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[17:02:00] silent_runner: my missus decided to pu all my clothes in the was when i had just dried them so i am sitting at home unable to go out till they dry WOMEN
[17:02:00] silent_runner: thats annoyning!
[17:02:00] silent_runner: on the bright side sg1 is on ;-)
[17:02:00] GreyFoxx: mmmm stargate
[17:03:00] GreyFoxx: can't wait til next week
[17:03:00] silent_runner: im in the uk so it will be next month for me
[17:03:00] silent_runner: i shoulds get 24mb connection in my house soon i cant wait
[17:03:00] GreyFoxx: at least it's better than being a year off
[17:03:00] silent_runner: true
[17:03:00] ** Tommck wants to kill silent_runner now :) **
[17:04:00] GreyFoxx: Stargate and BSG, makes me happy
[17:04:00] silent_runner: for only $60 a month
[17:04:00] silent_runner: £28 so a bit less than 60$
[17:04:00] Tommck: I'd pay $300 for that
[17:04:00] silent_runner: i only got 8MB at the moment
[17:05:00] laga: Tommck: do you enjoy your modem connection? ;)
[17:05:00] Tommck: laga – I'm on Satellite.
[17:05:00] Tommck: and I hate it
[17:05:00] silent_runner: it took ages for the uk to do broad band but now its rocking
[17:05:00] silent_runner: ohh lag!
[17:05:00] silent_runner: Tommck: one or two way ?
[17:05:00] Tommck: two
[17:05:00] silent_runner: whats the latency like on that ?
[17:05:00] laga: sounds expensive
[17:06:00] Tommck: it sucks the sweat off my balls after a weekend in the woods with no shower
[17:06:00] silent_runner: lol
[17:06:00] Tommck: silent_runner – latency is horrendous
[17:06:00] Tommck: it's about 800ms+ just to get back to earth!
[17:06:00] silent_runner: who did you go with imarsat ?
[17:06:00] Tommck: DirecWay
[17:06:00] silent_runner: ahh
[17:06:00] GreyFoxx: Yeah, I use to maintain a network for a customer who was on the other end of a sat connection... man that was annoying
[17:07:00] silent_runner: i had to maintainn a network for a guy who wanted to run an enterprise (healthcare) over 1mb adsl with home gateways that was hell
[17:08:00] silent_runner: i ended up getting him to buy ciscos now its bearable
[17:08:00] silent_runner: i of course quit hhehehh
[17:08:00] Tommck: here's a great example of my latency... this is pinging my friggin DNS: http://pastebin.ca/16788
[17:09:00] Tommck: try playing a game... or running Bittorrent...
[17:09:00] silent_runner: i feel
[17:09:00] silent_runner: 4 u
[17:09:00] Tommck: the whole Bittorrent thing is just passing me by
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[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: nasty
[17:09:00] Tommck: gotta love timeouts pinging your DNS
[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[17:09:00] silent_runner: Tommck: dont worry it didnt pass me by and neither did uneversal pictures :-(
[17:10:00] Tommck: all that and I paid about $1000 to install it and $70/month to enjoy it :)
[17:10:00] Tommck: :)
[17:10:00] silent_runner: lol
[17:10:00] AlHaz: i used to maintain what was probably geographically the largest layer 2 switched 802.3 broadcast domain
[17:10:00] AlHaz: about 30 miles in length
[17:11:00] AlHaz: couple thousand nodes
[17:11:00] ** Tommck has a glazed look in his eyes **
[17:11:00] Tommck: I assume that's supposed to be silly for some reason but I don't know enough about it to be able to get a chuckle out of it :)
[17:11:00] AlHaz: about 7megabits of ARP traffic
[17:11:00] silent_runner: Tommck: have you considerd running a local caching dns to speed things up a bit also squid may be a good idea
[17:12:00] Tommck: silent_runner – thinking about the DNS thing
[17:12:00] silent_runner: AlHaz thats just SILLY !
[17:12:00] AlHaz: silent_runner: it was ugly
[17:12:00] AlHaz: silent_runner: we had a CEO who thought routers made things slwo
[17:12:00] AlHaz: slow
[17:12:00] Tommck: nice
[17:13:00] silent_runner: also unless you are in #ccdp or #ccie i wouldnt use rfc numbers ;-)
[17:13:00] AlHaz: a while after someone convinced him that cisco layer 3 switches were the answer, i quit
[17:13:00] silent_runner: hehehehehehehheehe
[17:13:00] AlHaz: 802.3 = ethernet, though the physical layer wasn't strictly speaking ethernet
[17:14:00] silent_runner: Tommck: i think a local dns and a squid cache would speed thing up a bit
[17:14:00] silent_runner: AlHaz: i know but not everyone reads cisco referance manuals for fun (/me get a life)
[17:15:00] Tommck: I used to run squid, but it seemed a bit useless.. with all the dynamic content (i.e. changing every page load), I didn't see the point
[17:15:00] AlHaz: silent_runner: it's weird because at that length, the speed of light and 'wire speed' switching latency start doing weird things to the TTL of some packets
[17:15:00] silent_runner: even just for the images and buttons it will reduce the number of http requests therfore reduce the latency hit a bit
[17:15:00] Tommck: silent_runner -yeah
[17:15:00] AlHaz: a lot of inappropriate retransmissions of broadcast noise
[17:16:00] Tommck: I might start using it again
[17:16:00] silent_runner: AlHaz: i would use fibre for that distance (of course only if i wasnt paying)
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[17:18:00] silent_runner: has anyone used myth phone ?
[17:19:00] Tommck: not me
[17:19:00] GreyFoxx: I've yet to install it. I have enough voip phones around the house to not need one in my tv :)
[17:19:00] silent_runner: i was thinking it would be kinda cool to have a phone in my tv
[17:19:00] Tommck: silent_runner – yeah... but would you use it?
[17:19:00] AlHaz: silent_runner: yeah, it was a gigabit fiber backbone with 100mbit nodes
[17:19:00] silent_runner: GreyFoxx: u use asterisk
[17:20:00] GreyFoxx: silent_runner: Yes I do
[17:20:00] silent_runner: Tommck: whats that got to do with it ;-)
[17:20:00] Tommck: That's one thing I wish people would think about ... stop shoehorning weird crap into MythTV and polish up the stuff that's there! :)
[17:20:00] silent_runner: GreyFoxx: is it as good as say splicecom ?
[17:21:00] silent_runner: Tommck: i disagre there i like the inovation
[17:21:00] GreyFoxx: having never used any splicecom stuff, I wouldn't know
[17:21:00] silent_runner: they have avay at my new job that stuff sucks
[17:21:00] Tommck: silent_runner – well, it's nice, but I don't think it should take precedence over things like reporting errors from the backend to the front end, for instance :)
[17:21:00] silent_runner: avaya
[17:22:00] silent_runner: true1
[17:22:00] Tommck: seeing a timeout on the front end when it was actually an error reading from the card on the back end is kinda weak.
[17:22:00] Chutt: tommck, the guy that wrote mythphone hasn't done anything else on any other part of myth.
[17:22:00] Tommck: I'd fix it myself, but my kind of changes aren't welcome :)
[17:22:00] Chutt: so, you're saying he should work on something that doesn't interest him at all, rather than doing things he wants to?
[17:22:00] travolta: as long as we're all wishing, i wish there was an easy way to copy recorded shows to my sony psp :)
[17:22:00] silent_runner: what other cool plugins are there for myth is there a mythmodules site out there ?
[17:22:00] Tommck: and certain people just look for arguments when it comes to development
[17:23:00] Chutt: you're criticizing my developers
[17:23:00] fryfrog: oh, lemme slip a wish in...
[17:23:00] Chutt: for absolutely no reason
[17:23:00] silent_runner: travolta: is you psp running l;inux ?
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: silent_runner: There aren't very many that are not on the mythtv.org site
[17:23:00] fryfrog: i'd like to have many money :)
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: there are a couple , but not many
[17:23:00] Tommck: I apologize Chutt
[17:23:00] Tommck: not my intention
[17:23:00] silent_runner: Chutt: is myth your project ?
[17:23:00] Chutt: yes
[17:24:00] travolta: no, but it can play mpeg4 files
[17:24:00] fryfrog: oh?
[17:24:00] fryfrog: i thought it was umm
[17:24:00] travolta: encoded with ffmpeg
[17:24:00] fryfrog: isaac?
[17:24:00] GreyFoxx: Chutt: I'll have a mythgame patch to you today. finally got time to sitedown today for the first time this weekend and start cleaning it up :)
[17:24:00] silent_runner: NICE work have followed it for a while just decided it was ready to spend money on!
[17:24:00] Tommck: Chutt – I appreciate what it does... it has helped me greatly... thank you
[17:24:00] Chutt: greyfoxx, great
[17:24:00] Tommck: fryfrog – umm... that is Isaac
[17:24:00] AlHaz: i wish mythtv-setup would cough up a meaningful error message when it can't load the libqt3-mysql library
[17:25:00] fryfrog: oh, well he confused me by using Chutt as his nick :)
[17:25:00] Tommck: :)
[17:25:00] Chutt: alhaz, doesn't it say 'couldn't load QMYSQL3'?
[17:25:00] AlHaz: possibly while falling over and dying
[17:25:00] silent_runner: eg: shell out on good hardware vs tesing on old machines
[17:25:00] Chutt: and exit?
[17:25:00] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: And your realname is Fryfrog ? :)
[17:25:00] fryfrog: well, i kind of assumed isaac was the nick name sir
[17:25:00] AlHaz: Chutt: it was telling me it couldn't log in
[17:26:00] Chutt: hrm
[17:26:00] AlHaz: hold on a sec, checking the log . . . . . wherever i left it
[17:26:00] Chutt: well, it's supposed to say something more useful than that
[17:26:00] silent_runner: chutt what to you think of a video overly instant messaging client for myth ?
[17:27:00] Chutt: if someone wanted to write one, sure
[17:27:00] Tommck: silent_runner – my guess is that it would be a popular thing
[17:27:00] Chutt: i don't see the point of it, but, other people may
[17:27:00] Tommck: there's already a leg up
[17:27:00] Tommck: Chutt – I've seen other people wish for it before
[17:27:00] laga: it would be a neat feature, especially with the new UI
[17:27:00] Tommck: I wouldn't want it
[17:27:00] Tommck: new UI?
[17:27:00] ** Tommck is a little out of touch at this point **
[17:27:00] silent_runner: i was thinking i could try would it be psooble to write it using mono and intergrate it or java ?
[17:27:00] laga:
[17:28:00] laga: Tommck: if you're bored, check the mythuitest app
[17:28:00] Chutt: silent_runner, oh, well, not that way =)
[17:28:00] Tommck: ahh.. ok
[17:28:00] Tommck: by the way... when you have a remote frontend in mythtv, does it use its own protocol to transfer the data, or use NFS or something?
[17:28:00] silent_runner: what would be the prefferd language to write it in (embarresed havet looked at code#0
[17:28:00] fryfrog: Tommck: i think both, if you've mounted the files locally
[17:29:00] Chutt: c++
[17:29:00] fryfrog: is there some generic time line for teh next mythtv?
[17:29:00] Chutt: nope
[17:29:00] silent_runner: cool not to diffretn then
[17:29:00] Tommck: silent_runner – but no STL or exceptions (right Chutt?)
[17:29:00] fryfrog: like, weeks, months, years?
[17:29:00] Chutt: stl's perfectly fine
[17:29:00] Chutt: exceptions are not so fine
[17:29:00] Tommck: oh.. cool
[17:29:00] Tommck: didn't know that
[17:29:00] Chutt: except in specific cases
[17:29:00] Chutt: the stl's used all over the place
[17:30:00] Tommck: ahh.. ok.... oh.. is it just that the QT stuff is preferred?
[17:30:00] silent_runner: ok well i have ignored c++ for far to long i best ry learning
[17:30:00] Chutt: qt's preferred when it works
[17:30:00] Tommck: ahh. . cool
[17:30:00] silent_runner: ohh n ot trolltech
[17:30:00] fryfrog: date
[17:30:00] fryfrog: oops
[17:30:00] Chutt: it just adds extra size to the binary having two templatized things that do roughly the same thing
[17:31:00] Tommck: right
[17:31:00] AlHaz: Chutt: yeah, it does log that, but it keeps running . . .
[17:32:00] AlHaz: so the last several pages of logs when it finally quits are "write(1, "2005-07–01 20:05:23.187 Unable t"..., 552005-07–01 20:05:23.187 Unable to connect to database!
[17:32:00] AlHaz: ) = 55
[17:32:00] AlHaz: time([1120269923]) = 1120269923
[17:32:00] AlHaz: gettimeofday({1120269923, 188199}, NULL) = 0
[17:32:00] AlHaz: write(1, "2005-07–01 20:05:23.188 No error"..., 662005-07–01 20:05:23.188 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[17:32:00] silent_runner: is there a windows port of myth for masochists?
[17:32:00] AlHaz: ) = 66
[17:32:00] AlHaz: time([1120269923]) = 1120269923
[17:32:00] AlHaz: gettimeofday({1120269923, 188691}, NULL) = 0
[17:32:00] AlHaz: write(1, "2005-07–01 20:05:23.188 Database"..., 822005-07–01 20:05:23.188 Database not open while trying to load sett
[17:32:00] AlHaz: ing: GuiHeight
[17:32:00] AlHaz: ) = 82
[17:32:00] Tommck: ahhh
[17:32:00] AlHaz: "
[17:32:00] AlHaz: er, whoops
[17:32:00] fryfrog: PASTEBIN.COM!
[17:32:00] AlHaz: sorry for the strace flood
[17:32:00] Tommck: dude... use pastebin.ca
[17:32:00] laga: silent_runner: winmyth.sf.net iirc
[17:32:00] AlHaz: what's that?
[17:33:00] fryfrog: go and see, but i imagine the domain name is pretty self evident ;p
[17:33:00] Tommck: go to pastebin.ca
[17:33:00] GreyFoxx: silent_runner: winmyth isn't a port, but it is a interface to let you access and play your recordings from there
[17:33:00] Chutt: has that been updated ever?
[17:33:00] laga: yeah, sorry – my mistake.
[17:33:00] Chutt: it wouldn't be difficult to port the frontent properly
[17:34:00] laga: there already is directx video output code, right?
[17:34:00] AlHaz: feh, if i wanted to give you the file I'd just move it to the httproot and give you a url
[17:34:00] Chutt: probably doesn't work anymore
[17:34:00] silent_runner: thats a question when i go to Al Aqabah will i be able to watch my recordings from london over the web ?
[17:34:00] Chutt: but there's the beginnings of dx video + audio code in there
[17:34:00] AlHaz: in fact, http://rubix.areb.org/mythlog.txt if you wanna see the whole thing
[17:35:00] laga: Chutt: and what do you think about porting the backend? it shouldn't be too hard to add support for, let's say, wdm capture cards, right?
[17:35:00] AlHaz: point is, it does log that it wasn't able to load the driver, but it should fall over and die immediately. it keeps running, wondering why it can't connect.
[17:35:00] silent_runner: can myth stream recordings over web or can it only program the backend
[17:35:00] Tommck: I'm having trouble getting nuvexport to work on my remote front-end... it tells me "No RecordFilePrefix defined for <machine> in the settings table"
[17:36:00] Tommck: silent_runner – look up mythstream
[17:36:00] silent_runner: tnx
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[17:36:00] GreyFoxx: silent_runner: There is a mythstreamtv app that might be useful for that
[17:37:00] silent_runner: damn i need a web app so i can watch tv in an internet cafe
[17:37:00] AlHaz: silent_runner: sounds like a job for java
[17:37:00] Chutt: laga, right.
[17:37:00] AlHaz: tho i dunno if there's a java video player worth using
[17:37:00] GreyFoxx: "mythstreamtv"
[17:38:00] mchou: hey Chutt, what (and where) memory are you using for your new rig?
[17:38:00] silent_runner: thanks missed the tv on the end!
[17:38:00] laga: Tommck: umm. either use the setup or your favourite mysql client to set it. it's the dir where your recordings are stored. make sure to share them over nfs.
[17:38:00] Chutt: 2 gb of corsair something or other
[17:38:00] Tommck: laga – this is a mythtv option that nuvexport uses?
[17:39:00] Tommck: I just started sharing the recordings now.. I guess myth was using a custom protocol before?
[17:39:00] mchou: Chutt: besides memtest86, are there other apps that give memory a good workout in linux? (like prime95?)
[17:39:00] laga: Tommck: mythtv uses its own protocol to share recordings, but nuvexport doesn't know to talk to the backend
[17:39:00] Tommck: oh.. so the setting is nuvexport-specific?
[17:40:00] laga: Tommck: umm, no.
[17:40:00] Tommck: sorry for being dense
[17:40:00] Chutt: i dunno
[17:40:00] laga: Tommck: mythbackend looks in the database to find out where to store the recordings. nuvexport uses the same value (makes sense, right? ;))
[17:40:00] Tommck: laga makes sense if it's all one one machine.
[17:41:00] Tommck: are these settings machine-specific?
[17:41:00] ** Tommck is starting to get it **
[17:41:00] laga: Tommck: on a per host base. yes.
[17:41:00] Tommck: hehe.. thanks
[17:41:00] Tommck: I'll check it out
[17:41:00] laga: Tommck: because you don't run a backend (and thus, you didn't run mythtv-setup), there is no RecordFilePrefix for this machine.
[17:42:00] Tommck: right.. makes sense
[17:42:00] Tommck: so I need to add it
[17:42:00] laga: well, i guess this is the way it works, i haven't looked at the code or something
[17:43:00] mchou: I'm putting together a new a64 box together but I dont have a PCI-Exp vid card. Planning on testing it out w/a PCI card :)
[17:43:00] silent_runner: enyone got recomendations as to wether to use dolby or stick with my soundcards 5.1 ?
[17:44:00] AlHaz: silent_runner: I use digital myself
[17:44:00] AlHaz: silent_runner: My feeling is that my Sony receiver has a better dac than my sound card
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[17:44:00] AlHaz: silent_runner: The problem is that most digital outputs only do 48khz, so non-dolby audio streams have to be resampled
[17:45:00] silent_runner: its just that i have an onboard envy24/ht and dolby decoders are a tad pricy
[17:45:00] AlHaz: silent_runner: if your sound card accepts 44.1khz it shouldn't be a problem. if it also accepts 32khz, well, bonus
[17:45:00] mchou: silent_runner: I thought envy was relatively cheap.
[17:45:00] AlHaz: silent_runner: Nah . . . . I just bought an Onkyo 7.1 receiver for $240 + freight
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[17:45:00] AlHaz: mchou: it's VIA's "not as bad as our southbridge" audio chip
[17:46:00] mchou: haha.
[17:46:00] mchou: I dont think envy is that bad :)
[17:46:00] silent_runner: ok so what your saying is it sucks
[17:46:00] silent_runner: thats what i suspected
[17:46:00] mchou: not everything VIA produces is crap :)
[17:46:00] AlHaz: no, no no
[17:46:00] AlHaz: it's fine
[17:47:00] AlHaz: it's not the sound chip that you have to worry about in HTPC building
[17:47:00] mchou: I actually think envy is fine (for the price)
[17:47:00] AlHaz: the VIA 8237 southbridge audio is a-ok too
[17:47:00] silent_runner: ohh what do i have to worry about in htpc ?
[17:47:00] AlHaz: it's the codec chip that gets ya
[17:47:00] mchou: huh???
[17:47:00] AlHaz: if the codec only does 48khz, everything that isn't 48khz will need to be resampled
[17:47:00] silent_runner: i am buying one recomended on myth site
[17:48:00] mchou: silent_runner: which one is that?
[17:48:00] Chutt: there's stuff recommended on there?
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[17:48:00] silent_runner: plextor
[17:48:00] AlHaz: the dsp code on, say, an audigy card, will resample in hardware and do an acceptable job
[17:48:00] mchou: hey Chutt :)
[17:48:00] AlHaz: the hardware resampler on most motherboards sounds like ass
[17:48:00] AlHaz: so you end up resampling in software
[17:49:00] AlHaz: if you're using an analog output, you also have to worry about the opamp circuit
[17:49:00] mchou: AlHaz: you're the first guy who think audigy does an acceptable job resampling. everyone on avsforum hates it.
[17:49:00] silent_runner: USB Capture Devices.
[17:49:00] silent_runner: The Plextor ConvertX PVR devices are supported through Linux drivers available from http://www.plextor.com/english/support/LinuxSDK.htm. MythTV uses the Plextor to capture hardware encoded MPEG-4, so the host CPU requirements are low.
[17:50:00] AlHaz: if they didn't filter the power on the board, be real careful where they put the traces, etc, you get to hear every component in the computer do it's thing
[17:50:00] Chutt: that's not a recommendation
[17:50:00] silent_runner: ohh
[17:50:00] AlHaz: mchou: it's way better than some alternatives – and a lot better than the old SB Live dsp
[17:50:00] mchou: Chutt: but seriously, how do you like the plextor?
[17:51:00] AlHaz: mchou: Won't please the golden eared set, for sure, but what will?
[17:51:00] Chutt: i don't use it
[17:51:00] mchou: AlHaz: I disagree. Plenty folks prefer envy over audigy.
[17:51:00] mchou: Chutt: that bad? :)
[17:51:00] Chutt: it's fine
[17:51:00] Chutt: i just don't need to use it, so i don't
[17:51:00] AlHaz: My current htpc is an asus athlon board with onboard VIA southbridge sound and a codec chip that will do 44.1 and 48khz
[17:52:00] AlHaz: with a Sony 5.1 DTS receiver doing all the DAC work
[17:52:00] AlHaz: I paid $90 for the receiver a few years ago
[17:52:00] silent_runner: i figured mp4 is good enough and it can encode divix etc
[17:52:00] AlHaz: circuit city floor model
[17:52:00] AlHaz: mchou: I've never heard an envy24
[17:52:00] AlHaz: mchou: I'd prefer not to resample at all
[17:53:00] Tommck: AlHaz – that's what's in my sound card... I have an envy25-HT-S (or something like that)...
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[17:53:00] Tommck: it's a Chaintech AV-710... has optical s/pdif passthrough
[17:53:00] mchou: AlHaz: what's the codec on your board again?
[17:53:00] Tommck: was only $26 :)
[17:53:00] JeepJerk: yello
[17:53:00] AlHaz: mchou: I forget . . . . lemme look it up
[17:54:00] jams: yeah that av-710 is pretty decent
[17:54:00] AlHaz: mchou: AD1888
[17:54:00] JeepJerk: anyone know the default Max Quality setting for transcoding?
[17:54:00] AlHaz: hung off the VIA 8237 southbridge
[17:54:00] silent_runner: is myth gpl ?
[17:54:00] Tommck: jams – works great for me... passthrough is perfect
[17:54:00] Chutt: i've got an audigy2 zs in my new box
[17:54:00] AlHaz: Asus A7V880 motherboard
[17:54:00] jams: Tommck, yeah I'm rather happy with it
[17:55:00] Tommck: it's nice listening to DD 5.1 on recorded TV
[17:55:00] Chutt: sounds fine to me, though i've just got it hooked up to crappy computer speakers, not the real stuff in the other room
[17:55:00] AlHaz: I end up using my HTPC as an mp3 jukebox most of the time, wasn't interested in resampling everything to 48khz. searched high & low for a board that would do what i wanted.
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[17:56:00] Tommck: AlHaz  – it doesn't have to be resampled for me..
[17:56:00] defaultro: good morning guys
[17:56:00] Tommck: with the AV-710, it comes out through the optical s/pdif to my stereo fine...
[17:56:00] mchou: defaultro: gotta a few questions for ya.
[17:56:00] defaultro: anyone knows how to check if DBV subtitles is availabl in IL
[17:56:00] Tommck: not sure of the details of it
[17:56:00] defaultro: hey mchou
[17:56:00] mchou: defaultro: you have 6600gt, right?
[17:56:00] defaultro: I got a few mins left, go ahead
[17:56:00] Chutt: defaultro, they're not.
[17:56:00] Tommck: hey defaultro
[17:56:00] defaultro: yep I have
[17:57:00] defaultro: hey Tommck
[17:57:00] AlHaz: Tommck: Well I'm using a 2U rackmount case, so i've only got one pci slot available, and wanted it to be open
[17:57:00] AlHaz: Tommck: so it had to be on-board audio
[17:57:00] brejc8: is http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ down?
[17:57:00] Tommck: AlHaz – understandable
[17:57:00] mchou: defaultro: you ever reolve your tearing issues?
[17:57:00] mchou: resolve*
[17:57:00] defaultro: Chutt, not available here in IL? :(
[17:57:00] defaultro: mchou, yeah
[17:57:00] defaultro: I had to build my own RGB cable
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[17:57:00] mchou: defaultro: what, new cabling?
[17:57:00] AlHaz: I've got an MSI board in another box that is probably superior wrt digital audio, but i haven't tried it yet, and may have damaged the board a few weeks ago.
[17:58:00] AlHaz: maybe today I'll haul it out and see if i can stabalize it
[17:58:00] defaultro: but I'm thinking that the reason is that, I was doing a tv out using DFP
[17:58:00] ** jams goes back to themeing **
[17:58:00] defaultro: right now, I'm using CRT
[17:58:00] mchou: defaultro: who made your vid card again?
[17:58:00] defaultro: crt to my HDTV
[17:58:00] defaultro: nvidia
[17:58:00] Chutt: defaultro, that's what i said, no? :p
[17:59:00] mchou: defaultro: lol, not nvidia. nvidia doesnt make video cards.
[17:59:00] defaultro: what was your question again?
[17:59:00] mchou: defaultro: I'm thinking of getting this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125156
[17:59:00] mchou: defaultro: who made your vid card again?
[17:59:00] defaultro: here is my newest and no tearing issue: http://restricted.dyndns.org/xorg.conf.hdtv_as_crt.txt
[18:00:00] defaultro: I've been using that for almost 3 months now :)
[18:00:00] defaultro: ah, I know your question now
[18:00:00] defaultro: It's LeadTech
[18:00:00] AlHaz: Tommck: The sound card I've been most pleased with for desktop work turns out to be an Aureal Vortex 2 au8830 board i picked up for $10 on ebay
[18:00:00] Tommck: nice
[18:00:00] AlHaz: for linux at least. I shoved my old audigy in the windows box.
[18:01:00] Tommck: cool..
[18:01:00] defaultro: Chutt, thanks. I'm not happy that dvb subtitles isn't available here. Any reasons why?
[18:01:00] mchou: AlHaz: That's a pretty good card back in the day
[18:01:00] defaultro: hey mchou, brb in 2 hours
[18:01:00] defaultro: i got to run
[18:01:00] AlHaz: At any rate, the au8830's are allegedly one of the very few cards that mix multiple streams in hardware AND don't resample their SPDIF
[18:01:00] defaultro: just in case, here is the old page again, http://restricted.dyndns.org/hookingpc2hdtv.html
[18:01:00] silent_runner: nvidia do make cards
[18:01:00] defaultro: later guys
[18:01:00] silent_runner: just stupudly high end ones
[18:01:00] JeepJerk: is anyone getting 1/2 hour recordings to transcode to under 500MB?
[18:01:00] Chutt: defaultro, because we don't use dvb in the US?
[18:01:00] mchou: silent_runner: huh??
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[18:02:00] Tommck: JeepJerk from SD source?
[18:02:00] JeepJerk: yeah
[18:02:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: Chutt, I use DVB-T air2pc card?
[18:02:00] silent_runner: http://nvidia.com/object/IO_11761.html
[18:02:00] Chutt: no you don't
[18:02:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: Chutt, I use DVB-T air2pc card. :)
[18:02:00] Chutt: you use dvb _drivers_
[18:02:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: ok
[18:02:00] Chutt: it's not dvb, though
[18:02:00] mchou: silent_runner: afaik nvidia doent make vid cards, except "reference designs"
[18:02:00] mchou: doesnt*
[18:02:00] silent_runner: opps i was wrong
[18:02:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: ok, i really got to run. I'll talk to you later. Thanks for the info. ;)
[18:02:00] AlHaz: mchou: 6600gt in a mythtv box? or is this your usual desktop machine
[18:03:00] Tommck: JeepJerk – I haven't transcoded inside mythtv, but when I used nuvexport, the output of a 1/2 hour show was 377MB
[18:03:00] silent_runner: thoes quadro cards look cool
[18:03:00] mchou: AlHaz: more multipurpose, but will do double duty as frontend too.
[18:03:00] JeepJerk: do you know what it used for bitrate/quality?
[18:03:00] Tommck: I used the defaults... umm ... lemme see
[18:04:00] JeepJerk: what were you exporting to then? :)
[18:04:00] mchou: AlHaz: need all the compute power to decode HDTV ")
[18:04:00] Tommck: audio = 384
[18:04:00] Tommck: JeepJerk – DVD (mpeg)
[18:04:00] AlHaz: mchou: I'm wondering when nVidia is going to trickle the component video output feature of the 6600 down to cheapass fanless cards
[18:04:00] Tommck: VBR = 6000
[18:04:00] AlHaz: mchou: pshaw, an fx5200 can handle HDTV idct in hardware
[18:04:00] Chutt: alhaz, all 6 series are capable of doing component out
[18:04:00] AlHaz: i bought one on ebay recently for $15
[18:04:00] Tommck: VBR quality = 5 (?)
[18:04:00] Chutt: it's just a question of if the manufacturers decide to include it or not
[18:04:00] mchou: AlHaz: try finding fx in pci-express :)
[18:04:00] AlHaz: Chutt: Right, so, where can i get a fanless one for $50?
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[18:05:00] Tommck: AlHaz – newegg, I think
[18:05:00] Chutt: and there _are_ fanless 6600/6600gts :p
[18:05:00] Chutt: even a fanless 6800
[18:05:00] Tommck: I have a fanless FX5200
[18:05:00] JeepJerk: thanks Tommck, that'll give me something to search on
[18:05:00] mchou: yuo, there are. Heat pipe.
[18:05:00] mchou: yup*
[18:05:00] Tommck: np JeepJerk
[18:05:00] mchou: like Leadtech (I think) has fanless heatpipe.
[18:06:00] Tommck: AlHaz – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814145095
[18:06:00] mchou: I'm not really a fan of leadtek though.
[18:06:00] Tommck: $47 for fanless 5200
[18:06:00] Tommck: and DVI
[18:06:00] Tommck: 128MB
[18:06:00] Tommck: that's what I have in one of my boxes
[18:06:00] Tommck: drives my HDTV
[18:06:00] AlHaz: Tommck: No component video on a 5200
[18:07:00] Tommck: AlHaz – nope
[18:07:00] Tommck: I use an AA 9a60
[18:07:00] AlHaz: I don't have an HD set yet, I'm not opposed to buying one with DVI or HDLC and using the DVI directly – that's why i picked up a cheap 5200 – but it'd be nice to just run component video through the switch on my new receiver
[18:07:00] Tommck: are there new nVidia cards that have component out?
[18:08:00] AlHaz: looks like there's a $68 6200 card, fanless, so it's an option
[18:08:00] AlHaz: Tommck: with a dongle on the dvi port, iirc
[18:08:00] AlHaz: or, wait, no, off the tv-out port
[18:08:00] AlHaz: it's ATI that puts it on the dvi
[18:08:00] Tommck: tv-out port? is it a proprietary connector?
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[18:09:00] AlHaz: their mini-din thing
[18:09:00] AlHaz: svideo with more pins available
[18:09:00] mchou: Chutt: who make the vid card in your new rig? (Is it fanless)
[18:09:00] Chutt: 9 pin mini-din
[18:09:00] Tommck: interesting..
[18:09:00] Chutt: i got a pny
[18:09:00] Chutt: cheapest dual-dvi 6600gt
[18:10:00] Chutt: w/ the component out dongle
[18:10:00] Tommck: I'd be very curious... which chips should I look for for this support?
[18:10:00] Tommck: dual too?
[18:10:00] mchou: Chutt: hmm, I think I saw that one @frys for ~$250.....
[18:10:00] AlHaz: Tommck: everything I've read about it says that it was introduced with the 6600
[18:10:00] Tommck: ah.. cool.
[18:10:00] AlHaz: so, I dunno if it's available on lesser 6000 series
[18:10:00] Tommck: it's been a while since I kept up withit
[18:11:00] Chutt: mchou, $180 on newegg
[18:11:00] Chutt: alhaz, like i said, every 6 series can do it
[18:11:00] AlHaz: Chutt: k
[18:11:00] mchou: Chutt: thx. Nice :)
[18:11:00] Chutt: it's just a question of the card manufacturer adding it in
[18:11:00] beavis: why doesn't svn show (M)odified files when I svn up?
[18:12:00] Chutt: svn status
[18:13:00] mchou: sigh, it's really too bad that integrated vid chips doesnt have local memory. Makes the A64 useless with integrated vid chips.
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[18:14:00] mchou: due to the integrated memory controller on the a64.
[18:14:00] Chutt: alhaz, there's quite a few fanless 6200's with hdtv out listed on newegg
[18:14:00] Tommck: do they make non-PCI-X 6600 cards?
[18:15:00] Chutt: they don't make pci-x 6600 cards at all
[18:15:00] mchou: Tommck: you mean pci-express
[18:15:00] mchou: :)
[18:15:00] mchou: and there are AGP6800
[18:15:00] mchou: or 6600 :)
[18:15:00] Chutt: there's agp versions of everything, except the 7800gtx and the 6200 turbocache cards at the moment
[18:16:00] Tommck: oh... pci-x and pci-express are not the same things? hmm... shows how much I've been paying attention lately
[18:16:00] AlHaz: Chutt: yeah, I'm a cheap bastard though.
[18:16:00] AlHaz: Chutt: I'll pick one up if i end up getting an HD monitor that doesn't have DVI
[18:16:00] AlHaz: or HDLC
[18:16:00] AlHaz: which, I hear, is just DVI But smaller.
[18:16:00] Chutt: hdmi
[18:16:00] AlHaz: right
[18:16:00] Chutt: it's smaller, and can handle audio
[18:17:00] AlHaz: feh, i don't even want the hd set to have speakers
[18:17:00] silent_runner: hows frevo compare to mythtv ?
[18:17:00] Tommck: Chutt – why don't you answer that one? ;) hehe
[18:17:00] Tommck: just kidding.
[18:17:00] mchou: Chutt: the vid card that you got, can it display vga if you put one of those DVI->vga dongles?
[18:17:00] Tommck: I don't know much about Freevo myself
[18:17:00] Chutt: yup
[18:17:00] Chutt: came with two of them
[18:18:00] JeepJerk: man, they redid the father's death scene in batman begins
[18:18:00] Tommck: JeepJerk – spoiler warning?
[18:18:00] mchou: Chutt: hmm, might have to get that one instead. :)
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[18:18:00] AlHaz: JeepJerk: I watched that last night. It was ok.
[18:18:00] JeepJerk: nah, its at the beginning of the movie
[18:18:00] Tommck: JeepJerk – that doesn't matter... people want to discover these things themselvs
[18:18:00] AlHaz: I currently run Freevo on my HTPC but . . . only as a jukebox
[18:19:00] AlHaz: it records no video and has no capture devices
[18:19:00] mchou: Chutt: so that card does svid and component too, right?
[18:19:00] silent_runner: frevo dosent look as good
[18:19:00] Chutt: right
[18:19:00] AlHaz: I hear you can do all the nice PVR stuff with freevo, but speaking as a freevo user, it sounds like it's still in "hack" stage
[18:19:00] Chutt: the dongle has component, svideo and composite outputs
[18:19:00] AlHaz: freevo relies on your choice of mplayer or xine for all it's video handling
[18:19:00] silent_runner: yes looks like ti
[18:20:00] AlHaz: there are hacks for mplayer/mencoder that give it 'live tv buffer' type functionality
[18:20:00] AlHaz: and you can tinker with freevo and get it working
[18:20:00] AlHaz: but it's not out of the box pvr time
[18:20:00] AlHaz: I should add this disclaimer: I am a tivo snob.
[18:20:00] silent_runner: pluss no phone
[18:21:00] ** Tommck doesn't use his Tivo anymore **
[18:21:00] AlHaz: I bought one of the first couple dozen TiVo receivers sold in my town
[18:21:00] mchou: Chutt: wow, newegg has two versions: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133137
[18:21:00] Chutt: that's agp.
[18:21:00] mchou: oh, nm, that's agp :)
[18:21:00] AlHaz: Tommck: I really like the tivo ui because of the ease of searching the listings
[18:21:00] Tommck: AlHaz – I've had mine for 5+ years now
[18:22:00] Tommck: AlHaz -yeah..
[18:22:00] AlHaz: Tommck: and because from an ease-of-use standpoint it's very well designed
[18:22:00] Tommck: you could always code an alternative for Myth :)
[18:22:00] AlHaz: there are no odd idiosyncrasies like some PVRs
[18:22:00] AlHaz: I used to have a DishNetwork 7200 PVR, for example
[18:22:00] silent_runner: sky+ is a very pollished product
[18:23:00] Tommck: AlHaz – yeah... it's definitely got a target market and hits it pretty well
[18:23:00] AlHaz: well, um. i still have three of them, but none of them are in use
[18:23:00] AlHaz: the Dish PVR ui looks like that "You Don't Know Jack!" quiz game
[18:23:00] dopester: most dish products look terrible ui wise
[18:23:00] AlHaz: and in fact, it used to come with a stripped down version of that game
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[18:23:00] AlHaz: dopester: it's not just the look though
[18:24:00] AlHaz: the 7200 ui – which is different from their new PVRs – was strictly linear in it's command history
[18:24:00] AlHaz: so there's like an 'undo' button on the remote, right
[18:24:00] AlHaz: so if you change channels a bunch of times, navigate through the ui, do a bunch of weird stuff
[18:24:00] AlHaz: you can then back through it
[18:24:00] AlHaz: even if this means going into and out of the same menu several times
[18:25:00] dopester: no wonder i can't get my pax station.. snr of 4db.. hehe
[18:25:00] AlHaz: I'd like to see the minutes of the meeting where some engineer successfully argued that this is a correct and preferrable way to do things
[18:25:00] AlHaz: Also, where the tivo just has a section of the UI where you go to see the recordings, dish decided that recordings are on a virtual channel
[18:26:00] AlHaz: as a side effect of that, if you stop watching a recording and switch to live TV, there's no buffer to rewind through
[18:27:00] AlHaz: so in the "oh crap, I was going to watch that show that started 5 minutes ago" scenario, there's no possibility of seeing the 5 minutes you spaced off unless you scheduled a recording
[18:27:00] AlHaz: on the tivo, if you happened to have that channel tuned, you've got a buffer full of it
[18:27:00] AlHaz: someone made a lot of decisions in the design, and all of them turned out to be bad.
[18:28:00] Tommck: yeah... that's functionality I was hoping someone who had more time than me would put into MythTV :)
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[18:28:00] AlHaz: so I haven't actually successfully fired up Myth yet, but, I wonder how much attention to detail was put into it
[18:28:00] Tommck: AlHaz – it's not Tivo
[18:28:00] Tommck: but it's quite nice.
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[18:29:00] AlHaz: I'm dropping dish for dtv, just bought a used directivo. I'm setting up mythtv on the machine that has the pchdtv3k card
[18:29:00] Tommck: it does more than Tivo.. and it's freer (as in freedom) than Tivo
[18:29:00] AlHaz: if i like it, when i buy an hd set I'll install myth on the htpc
[18:29:00] AlHaz: and use myth for HD stuff
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[18:29:00] Tommck: I think you'll like it when you get it set up
[18:29:00] AlHaz: because the HDTiVo is a $1000 dead end
[18:30:00] Tommck: yeah... and won't work on OTA anyway
[18:30:00] AlHaz: DTV has already basically end-of-lifed it
[18:30:00] Tommck: (I think)
[18:30:00] AlHaz: but you can still drop a thousand bucks on one if you want, what, five or six HD channels
[18:30:00] Tommck: totally ridiculous
[18:30:00] dopester: once directv does the dvb / mpeg4 conversion all that stuff will be useless
[18:30:00] AlHaz: future HD channels will be h.264 mpeg4 on KA band satellites that aren't operational yet
[18:31:00] AlHaz: dopester: The only thing holding it up, near as anyone in the industry can tell, is the quality of broadcast grade h.264 encoders
[18:31:00] Tommck: well, I'm outta here... gonna dick around with some other stuff
[18:31:00] AlHaz: the versatility just isn't there yet
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[18:32:00] dopester: well im finally getting the air2pc driver done
[18:32:00] simprix: How can I adjust the FPS and the resolution for mythtv or could someone point me to some documentation on this
[18:35:00] AlHaz: why do you want to adjust the fps?
[18:36:00] simprix: well i want to speed up the perfomance and i heard that would work correct me if im wrong
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[18:40:00] simprix: Sorry i got disconnected, what are some performance things i can do
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[18:46:00] AlHaz: well, personally I don't know, but if you stick around, someone who knows will show up
[18:47:00] Octane: has anyone here experienced an empty input connections window in mythtv-setup
[18:49:00] winga: is there a way to run mythtv automatically at boot if i don't use a wm?
[18:50:00] banyan: I have two things going on that shouldn't be — my frontend doesn't think that anything is scheduled to record; and my frontend can't seem to control my backend (which are actually the same PC)
[18:50:00] banyan: Does this indicate that there's some disconnect in what my backend thinks its hostname is?
[18:50:00] zuralin: winga, yes
[18:51:00] GreyFoxx: winga: You really want to run a wm, if only to avoid focus problems. Though it can be a very minimal one
[18:51:00] banyan: blackbox
[18:52:00] zuralin: GreyFoxx, I don't use a wm and don't know of any "focus problems"
[18:52:00] laga: fluxbox, ratpoison
[18:52:00] winga: GreyFoxx, which would you recommend?
[18:52:00] GreyFoxx: zuralin: I see people complain all the time who don't use a window manager. Especially when using external apps like xine or mplayer
[18:52:00] GreyFoxx: after the app exists "focus" isn't always properly returned to myth
[18:52:00] zuralin: I guess I am just lucky then
[18:52:00] winga: GreyFoxx, i tried fluxbox before but never could figure out how to log in automatically, that seems to be my biggest problem
[18:52:00] GreyFoxx: winga: I use icewm, but any minimal one would be sufficient
[18:53:00] winga: GreyFoxx, how do you handle the auto login?
[18:53:00] zuralin: to login automatically i use mingetty
[18:53:00] GreyFoxx: winga: I don't use gdm at all
[18:53:00] winga: GreyFoxx, how do you do it?
[18:53:00] GreyFoxx: I just added a couple lines to my init scripts to launch x as the mythtv user
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[18:54:00] zuralin: winga, try reading: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=Debian2611mythtv
[18:54:00] winga: GreyFoxx, ahh ic
[18:54:00] GreyFoxx: if ! grep noautologin /proc/cmdline 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null ; then
[18:54:00] GreyFoxx: echo "Launching XWindows"
[18:54:00] GreyFoxx: su – mythtv -c "bash -l startx — -dpi 100" &
[18:54:00] GreyFoxx: fi
[18:54:00] GreyFoxx: No need to login at all
[18:54:00] GreyFoxx: and I can just CTRL-ALT-Backspace to drop back to a console, or use noautologin during the boot sequence to keep x from launching at all
[18:55:00] zuralin: thats pretty cool
[18:55:00] winga: ahh ok now that script makes sense ;)
[18:55:00] winga: so if i always want to boot it i could just do the
[18:55:00] winga: echo "Launching XWindows"
[18:55:00] winga: <GreyFoxx> su – mythtv -c "bash -l startx — -dpi 100" &
[18:56:00] zuralin: i dont have a keyboard hooked up to my mythtv box.. just use ssh for everything.. or remote x11 for mythtv-setup
[18:56:00] GreyFoxx: winga: Sure, but you gain a lot of flexibility by adding the if/fi around it since there are times you might not want x to load at all
[18:56:00] winga: which script is that the local?
[18:56:00] winga: yeah
[18:57:00] GreyFoxx: well actually it's inside of rc.pvr which is called by rc.local :)
[18:57:00] winga: gotcha
[18:57:00] GreyFoxx: rc.pvr loads my ivtv drivers. launches mythbackend, loads lm sensors and loads the dxr3 modules , then starts x
[18:57:00] winga: and that would automatically start the wm too?
[18:57:00] GreyFoxx: yup
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[18:58:00] laga: the wm should be in .xinitrc
[18:58:00] winga: hmm seems like it would just start x
[18:58:00] winga: ahh yeah
[18:58:00] GreyFoxx: X will load the window manager based on your .xinitrc or a global defailt
[18:58:00] winga: duh
[18:58:00] winga: gotcha
[18:58:00] GreyFoxx: *sigh*
[18:58:00] [311]: hey, im using mandrive 2005le. kernel 2.6.11–6mdk. i installed kernel-source and prepared it, not when i try to make the ivtv driver i still getmake[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.11–6mdk/build'
[18:58:00] [311]: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop.
[18:58:00] ** GreyFoxx wonders whatr he did to cause this : MythThemedDialog.o: something is requesting a screen update of zero size. A widget probably has not done a calculateScreeArea(). Will redraw the whole screen (inefficient!). **
[18:59:00] laga: greyfoxx broke it!!!
[18:59:00] GreyFoxx: It still works, just gives the warning :)
[18:59:00] [311]: anyone know?
[18:59:00] GreyFoxx: most annoying is that it just started doing it today and I haven't altered anything :)
[19:00:00] laga: GreyFoxx: blame it on the kids ;)
[19:00:00] GreyFoxx: Or at least, nothing I remember changing between last night and today :)
[19:00:00] GreyFoxx: It's my development vmware session, and I doubt my 14 month old got at it :)
[19:00:00] winga: GreyFoxx, is that whole -dpi 100 thing required or what is that?
[19:01:00] [311]: how can i make ivtv drivers if i keep getting getmake[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.11–6mdk/build'
[19:01:00] GreyFoxx: winga: required no, but I find fonts look a lot better with it
[19:01:00] laga: GreyFoxx: the crackers are getting young lately...
[19:01:00] [311]: i can make the utils but not driver
[19:02:00] winga: GreyFoxx, all righty and then myth i assume is just in your xinitrc or something?
[19:02:00] GreyFoxx: no, I have my window manager configured to launch myth right after it starts
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[19:02:00] GreyFoxx: icewm uses a "startup" file to load apps right after it is started
[19:03:00] winga: GreyFoxx, that in the icewm utilities somewhere?
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[19:03:00] GreyFoxx: just a file in the config directory :)
[19:03:00] winga: GreyFoxx, oh all right kinda like the .autostart in kde, or whatever that file is called
[19:03:00] GreyFoxx: exactly
[19:04:00] winga: GreyFoxx, sweetness, i'll get on that once i fix my segfault problem
[19:06:00] winga: why does icewm want all this gnome stuff when i do an emerge -p icewm?
[19:07:00] GreyFoxx: I have no idea what emerge/ebuild stuff includes as I don't use gentoo
[19:07:00] winga: it just wants to install some gnome libs is all
[19:08:00] [311]: how can i make ivtv drivers if i keep getting getmake[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.11–6mdk/build'
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[19:08:00] zuralin: is that supposed to be an error?
[19:08:00] GreyFoxx: winga: you can compile icewm to handle gnome or kde menus so that is like why it's pulling those in
[19:10:00] poonj: hey guys....I have 5 entries for /dev/video[0 1 2 24 32]. how can I test which one is which for me pvr-150?
[19:10:00] winga: GreyFoxx, oh
[19:11:00] poonj: also, anyone here know which firmware I'm supposed to use for a PVR-150?
[19:11:00] winga: poonj, it might tell you in dmesg
[19:12:00] poonj: it seems as though the "recommended" firmware is for a pvr-250/350
[19:12:00] winga: poonj, use the latest one from the ivtv site, don't try the ones from hauppauges site
[19:12:00] poonj: I did
[19:12:00] poonj: ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_250-3 . . . .8.22037.exe
[19:12:00] poonj: but you see, its in the pvr-250/350 area
[19:12:00] winga: ok yeah that might be it
[19:13:00] winga: yeah
[19:13:00] winga: not exactly sure then
[19:17:00] banyan: hey... what is likely to have gone wrong if my frontend brings up "no recordings are scheduled" even though I know there are?
[19:17:00] banyan: I bet a hostname is wrong somewhere.
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[19:20:00] nawab: Hi, can anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong as scanning for channels (dvb-t) and running mythfilldatabase both adds a set of channels.
[19:21:00] nawab: 1 I can watch, and 1 I can get listings for. How do I combine these without resorting to sql (which hasn't worked so far)
[19:22:00] winga: nawab, i don't get what you meen
[19:23:00] KaZeR: nawab, the channel identifier may be wrong.
[19:23:00] [311]: okay i solved the problem with making the ivtv driver. the makefile2.6 points to the wrong source and had to edit it
[19:23:00] KaZeR: if a channel imported by mythfilldatabase doesn't match any existing, a new one is inserted.
[19:24:00] [311]: im currently making a howto on using a pvr150 in mandrake step by step. from installing kernel-source, preparing it. editing makefiles
[19:25:00] banyan: What are the diffs btw a 150 and a 250?
[19:25:00] KaZeR: banyan, it's a new chip in the 150/500
[19:25:00] KaZeR: cheaper
[19:27:00] nawab: KaZeR: when you say channel identifier, do you mean the XMLTV ID?
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[19:27:00] KaZeR: nawab, exaclty
[19:28:00] nawab: cool, I will try setting them before running mythfilldatabase.
[19:28:00] nawab: sounds sensible, I think i was getting too used to it just working :-)
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[19:29:00] Tommck_: is qmake gone now? the instructions tell me to use qmake, but I don't see a mythtv.pro file in the "mythtv" directory anymore
[19:30:00] Tommck_: (just got stable SVN code)
[19:30:00] banyan: KaZeR: but a new chip handled by ivtv?
[19:30:00] GreyFoxx: Tommck_: It's still used, but the configure/make call it for you
[19:30:00] banyan: I've heard a lot of guys asking questions about how to get a 150 working which makes me wonder if it's a bit of a pain.
[19:30:00] Stynker: Have a question. Don't know if I have tuner setup. I've setup ATI tv wonder ve with the bttv module – tuner=2 card=64 radio=1. Running gentoo. Mythback is running, but I get green screen with top portion of the screen with garbled data. What is the easiest way to test the tuner?
[19:30:00] Tommck_: GreyFoxx – is the .pro file generated during the make too?
[19:31:00] GreyFoxx: Tommck_: I didn't look before I ran configure
[19:31:00] Tommck_: weird.. I don't even see a Makefile
[19:31:00] GreyFoxx: Have you run Configure yet?
[19:31:00] Tommck_: yeah
[19:32:00] Tommck_: it says "createing config.mak and config.h", but doesn't mention Makefile
[19:32:00] Tommck_: and there is no makefile
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[19:34:00] Tommck_: GreyFoxx – should I ask more over at the #mythtv channel?
[19:34:00] GreyFoxx: after running configure I get a Makefile
[19:35:00] Tommck_: I don't
[19:35:00] Tommck_: on 2 machines
[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: I just did it on a fresh cvn checkout
[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: svn
[19:35:00] Tommck_: I did it on the "stable branch"
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[19:36:00] banyan: why would my front end tell me that I haven't scheduled any programs to be recorded when I actually have?
[19:36:00] Tommck_: GreyFoxx – This is what I did: svn co http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-18-fixes/mythtv
[19:36:00] Tommck_: (and the other two lines)
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[19:37:00] KaZeR: banyan, yes it's almost well handled by ivtv
[19:38:00] banyan: heh, so it's cheaper but it does the same thing (?) as a 250...? I've had good luck with my 350 and if I was going to buy a second card I'd be inclined to buy a 250 still.
[19:38:00] GreyFoxx: Tommck: If you are running that, it appears to require a qmake
[19:38:00] Tommck: GreyFoxx – there's no qmake.pro file either
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[19:38:00] GreyFoxx: there has never been a qmake.pro
[19:38:00] GreyFoxx: qmake mythtv.pro
[19:39:00] Tommck: I mean mythtv.pro
[19:39:00] Tommck: no files with a ".pro" extension
[19:39:00] poonj: hey guys
[19:39:00] poonj: should I be worried about i2c_adapter i2c-3: sendbytes: error – bailout.
[19:39:00] poonj: cx25840: fast fw load failed
[19:39:00] poonj: cx25840: firmware load failed
[19:39:00] GreyFoxx: I JUST did a svn check out of the exact branch you are using and it's there
[19:39:00] Tommck: this is weird... I'll do it again, I guess
[19:39:00] KaZeR: banyan, maybe ask for some users input, support isn't perfect yet from what i know (but i have a 350)
[19:40:00] [311]: with the firmware. wheniextract it i get two bin files. what do i do with them?
[19:40:00] ** banyan loves his 350, now that ivtv is fairly bug-free **
[19:40:00] [311]: anyone, this is about my last step!
[19:40:00] ** KaZeR is happy too :) **
[19:40:00] Tommck: firmware?
[19:41:00] [311]: yes, the 150 firmware from ivtv
[19:41:00] Tommck: doesn't sound like a mythtv question
[19:41:00] Tommck: oh.
[19:41:00] Tommck: ivtv
[19:42:00] banyan: But this business about not having any recordings scheduled kinda pisses me off. Weird — tried to run with 2.6.11–1.35, it hurt, I went back to 2.6.11–1.27, and now my myth doesn't think I have any recordings scheduled which is *incorrect*.
[19:42:00] Tommck: I don't know.. I followed some instructions on ivtv
[19:42:00] banyan: Tommck, those are just for loading into the card on startup. They go in /lib/modules.
[19:42:00] [311]: frig
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[19:45:00] [311]: on the latest ivtv, is the pvr150 tuner=57? or 47?
[19:46:00] Tommck: [311] – have you thought about asking on the ivtv channel or mailing list?
[19:46:00] [311]: i sure havent. i see people ask all the time here so i figured i could
[19:47:00] Tommck: you can.
[19:47:00] poonj: [311], is the tuner something you need to set?
[19:47:00] Tommck: you just dont' seem to be having much luck here :)
[19:51:00] [311]: okay its 57
[19:51:00] [311]: but after installing the driver. i dont have anything like /dev/video
[19:52:00] banyan: u may have to create devices under /dev — check out in the doc directory of ivtv.
[19:52:00] Tommck: banyan – isn't there some modprobing or something?
[19:53:00] banyan: Oh, 311 meant make install, not modprobe when he said install.
[19:53:00] Tommck: right
[19:53:00] Tommck: I think so at least
[19:54:00] banyan: Yeah, u have to modprobe tveeprom ; modprobe ivtv; modprobe ivtv_fb; modprobe lirc_i2c if you're using the remote.
[19:54:00] banyan: and if you lose your consoles after you modprobe ivtv_fb, you have to mess around with your grub.conf.
[19:54:00] [311]: okay thanks
[19:55:00] Tommck: grub? how's it affect grub?
[19:55:00] Tommck: oh.. something about video modes?
[19:55:00] Tommck: I have that problem.. I have to pick a video mode on boot
[19:56:00] banyan: fedora core uses a framebuffer for the consoles. The way it does it by default confuses ivtv_fb into using the same framebuffer device, and it gets all ugly.
[19:56:00] [311]: im going to depmod and reboot
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[19:56:00] banyan: So you have to remove one thing and put vga=something or other in its place.
[19:56:00] Tommck: I'm on SuSE and when I installed, it complains on boot saying it's an invalid mode or something
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[19:58:00] banyan: anyway, nobody has any suggestions about what to do with my "no scheduled recordings" problem?
[19:58:00] Tommck: nope..sorry
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[20:01:00] emacsen: I'm following the Fedora MythTV howto, and apt doesn't find any mythtv stuff.
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[20:01:00] vimen: :)
[20:01:00] emacsen: oh you're a funny one Tommck
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[20:01:00] Tommck: :)
[20:01:00] emacsen: so joker, what repository do I need?
[20:01:00] Tommck: dunno.
[20:01:00] Tommck: I don't use apt
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[20:02:00] emacsen: no one else here used this howto: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#apt
[20:02:00] [311]: FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.11–6mdk/ivtv/ivtv.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[20:02:00] [311]: ?
[20:03:00] poonj: hey guys...
[20:03:00] poonj: for some reason
[20:03:00] poonj: by cable through my PVR-150 seems very very fuzzy..
[20:03:00] engie: Hi. Is it possible to use the TV output of my geforce to output myth to a TV at the same time as running a normal gnome session on the VGA output?
[20:03:00] poonj: and the color is black and white...
[20:04:00] poonj: is there something I'm missing?
[20:04:00] banyan: engie — that's how I use my install.
[20:05:00] banyan: oh, sorry, no it's not... I have a 350.
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[20:06:00] [311]: FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.11–6mdk/ivtv/ivtv.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[20:06:00] [311]: dmesg | grep ivtv
[20:06:00] [311]: ivtv: Unknown parameter `Specify'
[20:06:00] [311]: ivtv: Unknown parameter `Specify'
[20:06:00] [311]: ivtv: Unknown parameter `Specify'
[20:06:00] [311]: ivtv: Unknown parameter `Specify'
[20:06:00] [311]: ivtv: Unknown parameter `Specify'
[20:06:00] [311]: ivtv: Unknown parameter `Specify'
[20:06:00] [311]: any ideas?
[20:06:00] engie: banyan: How do you output a seperate display through the 350?
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[20:08:00] [311]: holy crap. this 150 was a waste of money
[20:08:00] emacsen: 150 or 350?
[20:08:00] laga: why?
[20:08:00] [311]: its taken about 18+ hours of trying to get drivers to work
[20:08:00] mchou: [311]: dont be a retard.
[20:09:00] [311]: well i just spent hours compiling my kernel, making a driver that doesnt work
[20:09:00] mchou: you better check your modprobe.conf. There is no parameter called "specify"
[20:09:00] Tommck: [311] have a beer... go out... relax.. come back to it tomorrow
[20:10:00] [311]: thats what i did yseterday lol
[20:10:00] mchou: [311]: that's your first mistake. You dont need to recompile your kernel.
[20:10:00] [311]: i meant build the source
[20:10:00] ** Tommck didn't recompile the kernel **
[20:10:00] mchou: building ivtv driver took a whole day??!!
[20:10:00] mchou: lol
[20:11:00] [311]: yeah, i have to get kernel source, prep it
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[20:11:00] mchou: I think you need to upgrade your computer if that's the case.
[20:11:00] [311]: its a p4 2.0 with 512mb ddr
[20:11:00] zuralin: ivtv took about 3–5mins my first time
[20:11:00] mchou: it would have taken 5 minutes max.
[20:12:00] [311]: it took a while to figure out that the makefile pointed to the wrong kernel dir
[20:12:00] mchou: that's your own damn fault. dont blame ivtv for that.
[20:12:00] [311]: well. is there an easier way to get this going?
[20:13:00] Tommck: isn't your source in /usr/src/linux?
[20:13:00] [311]: its in /usr/src/linux-2.6.11–6
[20:13:00] Tommck: but isn't there a soft link to that from /usr/src/linux?
[20:13:00] Tommck: that's usually the way it's done
[20:13:00] [311]: nope
[20:13:00] mchou: lol
[20:14:00] Tommck: what distro?
[20:14:00] [311]: mandriva 2005
[20:14:00] ** Tommck reminds himself to avoid mandriva **
[20:14:00] [311]: lol
[20:14:00] mchou: heh, I use the same distro. Mine was up and running in like half an hour.
[20:14:00] Tommck: not that I needed reminding :)
[20:14:00] [311]: with a pvr150?
[20:14:00] Tommck: j/k
[20:14:00] mchou: with 2x pvr150's
[20:15:00] mchou: [311]: clearly in your case, it's pbcak
[20:15:00] [311]: okay so you installed mandriva. urpmi kernel-source, preped it. untarred ivtv, make and amek installed it the drivers and utils and it worked?
[20:16:00] emacsen: anyone here using Fedora with apt? how do I force in the face of a conflict?
[20:16:00] zuralin: whats the difference between the 250 and 150?
[20:16:00] Tommck: zuralin – 250 costs more
[20:16:00] mchou: more or less. more involved testing with ivtvctl.
[20:16:00] zuralin: thats it?
[20:16:00] zuralin: fuck lol
[20:16:00] [311]: sorry, didnt mean to pm
[20:16:00] zuralin: well i bought my 250's before the 150 was out :\
[20:17:00] Tommck: zuralin – technically there are differences... the 150 has less chips (a redesign)
[20:17:00] mchou: and I sure as heck did not need to prep the kernel....
[20:17:00] [311]: really?
[20:17:00] Tommck: It's my impression that the 250s "just work" whereas the 150s might take a little tinkering
[20:17:00] Tommck: (I have 1 500)
[20:17:00] [311]: i followed this http://www.byopvr.com/Sections+index-req-view . . . -page-1.html and garrick told me to prep
[20:17:00] zuralin: ah
[20:17:00] zuralin: yeah i am thinking about a 500
[20:17:00] Tommck: zuralin – but they're a heck of a lot cheaper.
[20:17:00] zuralin: 4 tuners would be pretty sweet
[20:17:00] xris: Tommck is correct... 250 driver support is much more mature. 150 takes tinkering.
[20:17:00] mchou: [311]: like I said, operator error.
[20:17:00] Tommck: zuralin – go ahead and get it... they're not too bad to get working
[20:18:00] [311]: okay, well ill format it and try all over again. after a trip to the beerstore lol
[20:18:00] mchou: there is no need to format.
[20:18:00] Tommck: try using a less funny sounding distro too ;)
[20:18:00] zuralin: ive had issues with the .0.3.x ivtv drivers tho
[20:18:00] mchou: Tommck: stfu.
[20:19:00] [311]: well then how do i get rid of the drivers i just made?
[20:19:00] Tommck: mchou: you're such a nice guy.. thanks for your input
[20:19:00] mchou: Tommck: you've never even used it.
[20:19:00] Tommck: [311] – make uninstall might work
[20:19:00] [311]: okay
[20:19:00] Tommck: (not sure if ivtv has a "make uninstall")
[20:19:00] mchou: Tommck: you're emminently unqualified to make such a judgement.
[20:19:00] [311]: i use mandrake 10.1 and 2005 accross a 200 public/staff network at work, works great
[20:20:00] Tommck: mchou – did your mother not breastfeed you or something? what's with the random aggression?
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[20:20:00] [311]: well im going to format and try with 10.1 again
[20:20:00] zuralin: lol
[20:21:00] [311]: after going in the pool with some beers though
[20:21:00] zuralin: damn i thought the 3–4hrs to get mythtv for the first time was long
[20:21:00] mchou: random agression? you're intentionally misleading [311]
[20:21:00] Tommck: misleading where?
[20:21:00] mchou: Tommck: [11:18:38] <Tommck> try using a less funny sounding distro too
[20:22:00] Tommck: with a winking smiley face after it... yeah... really misleading..
[20:22:00] mchou: Tommck: that's just plain stupid.
[20:22:00] [311]: i dont listen to stuff like that anyway, mandrake has already proved itself to me
[20:22:00] Tommck: who the hell takes a statement like that seriously? (besides you)
[20:22:00] zuralin: mchou must be a mandrake user
[20:22:00] Tommck: and really... barely any distros sound "normal"
[20:23:00] Tommck: I mean "ubuntu" ? SOOSUH?
[20:23:00] mchou: Tommck: wow, you're a regular comedian. Try to keep your day job.
[20:24:00] Tommck: ok... and you keep yours of randomly attacking people in this channel
[20:24:00] laga: laga linux sounds good to me
[20:24:00] Tommck: Lagix?
[20:24:00] Tommck: Lagux?
[20:24:00] zuralin: zuraLinux
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[20:25:00] mchou: more like zerolinux
[20:25:00] laga: zuralin: that's lame! ;)
[20:25:00] zuralin: clever.....
[20:26:00] sphing: beirdo you here?
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[20:33:00] tommydcat: anybody familiar with ptune.pl
[20:33:00] tommydcat: I'm getting an error "Error: Frequency Table = 'us-broadcast' is invalid!" when I run it
[20:33:00] tommydcat: sorry... ptude-ui.pl
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[20:36:00] banyan: My computer thinks it has no scheduled recordings. I tried to run with 2.6.11–1.35, it hurt, I went back to 2.6.11–1.27, and now my myth doesn't think I have any recordings scheduled which is *incorrect*.
[20:38:00] Tommck: still no idea :)
[20:39:00] banyan: saw mchou in here and figured I'd flash the question by him.
[20:39:00] Tommck: be careful not to insult Mandriva
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[20:52:00] TimmyJ: this is gonna sound dumb (partly because I am :P) but I followed a tutorial to getting mythTV working on my ubuntu box and with a little help I got it working great....then I restarted and expected it to just work again, but it didn't. When I try to start the backend with sudo "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start" (as advised by the tutorial, I get this error)
[20:52:00] TimmyJ: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[20:52:00] TimmyJ: any ideas? sry for the super long posts
[20:52:00] Tommck: TimmyJ – is mysqld running?
[20:53:00] TimmyJ: Tommck, I have no idea....lol
[20:53:00] TimmyJ: just run mysqld?
[20:53:00] Tommck: ps -ef | grep mysqld
[20:54:00] Tommck: did you try "ps -ef | grep mysqld" ?
[20:54:00] TimmyJ: Tommck, http://pastebin.ca/16803
[20:55:00] Tommck: yep.. it's running
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[20:55:00] Tommck: can you log into it with the configured user?
[20:55:00] TimmyJ: thought so :-\
[20:56:00] Tommck: use "mysql -D mythconverg -u mythtv -pmythtv" (assuming default user/password)
[20:57:00] TimmyJ: that gives me a "mysql>"
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[20:58:00] Tommck: hmm.
[20:58:00] Tommck: so you can log in to
[20:58:00] Tommck: o
[20:58:00] Tommck: you can exit that
[20:58:00] Tommck: type "quit" or "exit"
[20:58:00] Tommck: I'm running out of things to check
[20:58:00] TimmyJ: :( lol
[20:59:00] Tommck: someone else in here might be a little better qualified anyway :)
[20:59:00] Tommck: I have to get rolling anyway... gotta get ready to go out.
[20:59:00] Tommck: good luck with that.. sorry I couldn't help
[20:59:00] TimmyJ: thx for the help
[20:59:00] Tommck: np
[20:59:00] TimmyJ: no worries :)
[20:59:00] Tommck: cya
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[21:04:00] TimmyJ: anyone else got any ideas?
[21:08:00] banyan: TimmyJ, what version of mysql are you running?
[21:09:00] banyan: I know the version 3.x authentication works OK with mythtv but the version 4 seems to give that error.
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[21:09:00] TimmyJ: hrm, not sure
[21:09:00] TimmyJ: 4.0.23
[21:14:00] banyan: Ah, try downgrading to 3.23.58 — that's the one I'm running, and my backend connects to it, though I'm having a goofy problem...
[21:16:00] TimmyJ: I got it working just now
[21:16:00] TimmyJ: not exactly sure what i did...but its working....
[21:18:00] TimmyJ: but now I can't change channels....what the hell
[21:20:00] banyan: try the keyboard. you may not have lirc working.
[21:21:00] TimmyJ: usin the keyboard :(
[21:24:00] TimmyJ: I can go to the TV guide and see all the channels though....very odd
[21:31:00] banyan: anybody know how all the tables are linked together? record has no hostname in it...
[21:31:00] banyan: though it does have the recordings listed in it.
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[21:39:00] winga: when my mythfrontend reports "No XvMC found" on my epia is it refering to me not correctly compiling it into myth or something else?
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[21:52:00] poonj: hey guys
[21:52:00] poonj: anyone here running a raid?
[21:53:00] stoffel: not on sundays
[21:54:00] ** banyan visualises cockroaches and ants scurrying away, too late to avoid the giant explosion. **
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[22:00:00] banyan: fortunately, since you can lose a cockroach and an ant here or there without losing data, the colony survives.
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[22:24:00] Octane: i reallly need some help — i upgradead a bunch of my rpm's, including the kernel, and now when i load up mythfrontend, the menu doesnt come up, i just get the mythtv blue backdrop and i need to kill X and restart it. also, the input connections in mythtv-setup screen is blank
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[22:31:00] winga: where is ir-kbd-i2c in the kernel?
[22:31:00] winga: i can't find it to add it
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[22:37:00] banyan: man, i just dropped all my tv channels and my card settings, and redid all that with mythtvsetup, and my frontend *still* doesn't think there are any recordings scheduled.
[22:42:00] Cardoe: banyan: because now there probably aren't?
[22:42:00] Cardoe: since you dropped everything
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[22:42:00] Cardoe: winga: that's an Nvidia thing
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[22:53:00] banyan: nope, I scheduled a bunch of things.
[22:53:00] banyan: but they still aren't there, but there is an interesting SQL error with an AND in a query being run into a programid field... i.e. AIDprogramid.
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[23:16:00] banyan: grr, corrupt table in mysql. that's all it was.
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[23:16:00] banyan: now my machine's recording to beat the band.
[23:17:00] laga: :)
[23:17:00] banyan: would it be evil to cron a myisamchk?
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[23:17:00] banyan: i've had that happen a couple of times now.
[23:17:00] [311]: FATAL: Error inserting tveeprom (/lib/modules/2.6.11–6mdk/misc/tveeprom.ko): Invalid module format
[23:17:00] [311]: can anyone make anything of that?
[23:18:00] banyan: i'm guessing that means it's not the right module for your kernel.
[23:18:00] [311]: hmmm
[23:18:00] banyan: i'd suggest you grab the ivtv source and compile it.
[23:18:00] banyan: it's quick.
[23:18:00] [311]: i compiled it with 2.6.11–6 kernel source
[23:18:00] [311]: thats what i did
[23:18:00] banyan: and did a make install?
[23:18:00] [311]: yep
[23:19:00] banyan: do a uname -r
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[23:19:00] [311]: 2.6.11–6mdk
[23:22:00] winga: ok if i try modprobing a module and it tells me it can't be found but it is clearly located in the appropriate directory, what do i do?
[23:22:00] banyan: oh, both of you should maybe do a depmod.
[23:23:00] winga: ok
[23:23:00] Moulinex: Is this working combination for mythtv -> xbox and hauppauge NOVA-T-USB2?
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[23:24:00] [311]: okay, i think i figured it out. when i urpmi kernel source, it got 2.6.11–12
[23:24:00] [311]: ill have to get the -6 source and compile against that
[23:25:00] banyan: i think that's the ticket...
[23:25:00] [311]: that must have been what went wrong last time. this may work afterall once i get the drivers right!
[23:25:00] ** banyan misses plain ole kernel source tarballs. now fedora just distributes source rpms. **
[23:26:00] [311]: same with mandrake
[23:29:00] banyan: yeah, now u gotta do that rpmbuild thing and it's just not the same.
[23:30:00] [311]: well,the distro comes with the right source but.
[23:30:00] [311]: urpmi kernel-source-2.6–2.6.11–6mdk.i586.rpm
[23:30:00] [311]: unable to register rpm file
[23:30:00] [311]: error: kernel-source-2.6–2.6.11–6mdk.i586.rpm: headerRead failed: hdr blob(1274411): BAD, read returned 1163736
[23:30:00] [311]: The package(s) are already installed
[23:30:00] [311]: stupid lol
[23:33:00] [311]: had to download it again lol
[23:35:00] banyan: u have broadband hopefully?
[23:35:00] [311]: yep
[23:36:00] [311]: funny enough the -12 source installs in the -6 source dir
[23:37:00] smoke_ (~smoke@c-67-188-77-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users
[23:37:00] smoke_: hey how do i put shadows on my text in the main menu?
[23:37:00] smoke_: do i add shadow in the <font> tag?
[23:39:00] banyan: i used to be able to get them by doing an apt-get install kernel-source-`uname -r` but those fun days are gone.
[23:39:00] smoke_: and also i m having problems with the dvd import function it seems like its not calling anything when i hit the button, do i need to enable it?
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[23:41:00] [311]: it doesnt look like my newly compiled drivers work either
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[23:42:00] banyan: can u find a precompiled package?
[23:42:00] [311]: only a mandrake rpm, version .2 of the ivtv drivers though
[23:48:00] smoke_: can somoene help me out with the dvd import ?
[23:54:00] mchou: heh, pci display card came in handy.
[23:55:00] mchou: running memtest86 right now
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[23:56:00] mchou: sigh....
[23:56:00] vladster: is there an alternate driver that will work with the pcHDTV3000 card under suse9.3
[23:57:00] mchou: piece of shit chipset fan is louder than a hair dryer.
[23:57:00] vladster: try a block of dry ice
[23:58:00] mchou: vladster: alternate driver? you mean other than dvb?
[23:58:00] mchou: what kernel comes stock with suse 9.3?
[23:58:00] vladster: the thing is it is not offered in the current choices
[23:58:00] vladster: 2.6.11–4rc1
[23:59:00] mchou: that's cause you need 2.6.12 for hd3k dvb drivers
[23:59:00] vladster: there is one for the 2000 but not the 3000

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