| Thursday, June 30th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | dh0: | david@d-vo:/etc/mysql$ mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [00:00:00] | dh0: | Enter password: |
| [00:00:00] | dh0: | ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
| [00:00:00] | jonK: | look up setting passwords for mysql users |
| [00:00:00] | jonK: | and set it to mythtv |
| [00:00:00] | jonK: | or whatever you want |
| [00:00:00] | jonK: | then, look for the file mysql.txt |
| [00:00:00] | jonK: | probably in /usr/local/mythtv/database? |
| [00:00:00] | dh0: | k, looking |
| [00:00:00] | jonK: | and set the password there to match whatever you set it to for the mythtv user |
| [00:00:00] | kormoc2: | temmihoo, donno, I was certain LD_PRELOAD_PATH was the right envirnment var... |
| [00:01:00] | dh0: | wait, i tried that again and entered mythtv as the pass and it worked |
| [00:01:00] | dh0: | where to from there? |
| [00:01:00] | jonK: | find the mysql.txt |
| [00:01:00] | dh0: | k |
| [00:02:00] | jonK: | and make sure it matches, also make sure it matches in mythtv setup |
| [00:02:00] | jonK: | or did I just say the same thing (one depends on the other) |
| [00:03:00] | dh0: | its not in /usr/local |
| [00:03:00] | dh0: | and what am i checking to match? the password? |
| [00:04:00] | dh0: | okay, i found it. its in /etc/mythtv |
| [00:04:00] | dh0: | didnt match. changed it |
| [00:04:00] | dh0: | lets have a look |
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| [00:05:00] | xlizard: | hi |
| [00:07:00] | dh0: | hi |
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| [00:07:00] | jsldub: | does anybody know how to fix the channel numbers being off by one? |
| [00:08:00] | xlizard: | question: is it possible to cut the raw mpeg-stream i got via dvb with mythtv? (using cut-marks, WITHOUT transcoding?) |
| [00:08:00] | dh0: | jsldub: if no one here helps you i would suggest you try a forum or something |
| [00:09:00] | dh0: | i wish i could help you |
| [00:09:00] | jsldub: | dh0: np |
| [00:09:00] | xlizard: | jsldub: what means channelnumbers are off by one? |
| [00:09:00] | mchou: | haha! This is funny: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4723739 |
| [00:09:00] | mchou: | you guarantee you love the picture or your money back. |
| [00:10:00] | jsldub: | well if i try to watch channel 52 for example, it says "52", but actually shows what is on 51 |
| [00:10:00] | xlizard: | jsldub: so you have not an channel number 1 = |
| [00:10:00] | xlizard: | ? |
| [00:10:00] | jsldub: | nope. no channel one here |
| [00:10:00] | jsldub: | starts at 2 |
| [00:11:00] | xlizard: | jsldub: do you know hot to use mysql? |
| [00:11:00] | xlizard: | hot = how |
| [00:11:00] | jsldub: | possibly |
| [00:12:00] | jsldub: | weird. actually, looks like there are 2 channel 2's |
| [00:12:00] | xlizard: | ok, BACKUP your database, and "update channel set channum = channum – 1; |
| [00:12:00] | xlizard: | this will decrese echt channum by 1 |
| [00:13:00] | jsldub: | should i end all myth programs first? |
| [00:14:00] | xlizard: | i do not think it is nessery, but it coulnt hurt ... safty first ;) |
| [00:14:00] | jsldub: | i have no idea how sql works |
| [00:14:00] | jsldub: | lol |
| [00:14:00] | dh0: | jonk, it looks like the sql is working. thanks |
| [00:14:00] | dh0: | however i have annother problem |
| [00:15:00] | dh0: | sporadic conection issues to the server. here is the output |
| [00:15:00] | dh0: | every request goes like this. it tries and fails. and then tries again and appears to get it |
| [00:15:00] | xlizard: | ok, can anybody tell me who to cut an recording? |
| [00:16:00] | dh0: | Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... 206.18.98.160 |
| [00:16:00] | dh0: | Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com|206.18.98.160|:80... connected. |
| [00:16:00] | dh0: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized |
| [00:16:00] | dh0: | Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com|206.18.98.160|:80... connected. |
| [00:16:00] | dh0: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| [00:17:00] | dh0: | oh nevermind. that isnt the problem |
| [00:17:00] | dh0: | the prbolem is this |
| [00:17:00] | dh0: | 2005-06–29 15:30:47.197 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [00:17:00] | dh0: | Connection timed out. |
| [00:17:00] | temmihoo: | kormoc2: LD_LIBRARY_PATH it was |
| [00:18:00] | xlizard: | dh0: dump question: i backendserver running? |
| [00:18:00] | kormoc2: | temmihoo, oh, hehe, sorry bout that :) |
| [00:18:00] | dh0: | actually i dont know |
| [00:18:00] | dh0: | how would i check/start it? |
| [00:18:00] | kormoc2: | ps ax | grep mythbackend | grep -v grep |
| [00:18:00] | kormoc2: | to check it |
| [00:19:00] | dh0: | oh cool, i get it. the last grep -v grep removes the line about the search itself, right? |
| [00:19:00] | dh0: | lol, i just entered that command into a mysql prompt |
| [00:20:00] | xlizard: | dh0: there is no ; at the end ;) |
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| [00:20:00] | dh0: | it was an accident |
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| [00:20:00] | dh0: | no, it isnt running |
| [00:21:00] | dh0: | which i suppose is good |
| [00:21:00] | xlizard: | waahhh ;))) |
| [00:21:00] | dh0: | how do i start it, and tell it to do so on boot. (debian) |
| [00:21:00] | xlizard: | dh0: start it ! ;) |
| [00:21:00] | xlizard: | mythbackend |
| [00:21:00] | dh0: | ... |
| [00:21:00] | dh0: | lol thats it? |
| [00:21:00] | xlizard: | yes |
| [00:22:00] | dh0: | how do i daemonize it or whatever |
| [00:22:00] | xlizard: | umm .. dont know yet ... still testing without daemonizeing ;) |
| [00:22:00] | xlizard: | it brings usefull debug info ... |
| [00:23:00] | dh0: | so every time i start up i have to do that? |
| [00:23:00] | xlizard: | its a linux, that do not need to be rebooted ;) |
| [00:23:00] | maniacxs: | trying to replex a recorded movie. it has 2x audio. AC3 AUDIO 1: 0x80 and MPEG AUDIO 1: 0xc0 does anybody knows a tool, to check which one has more channels? |
| [00:23:00] | dh0: | lol |
| [00:23:00] | dh0: | well i will be moving this computer |
| [00:25:00] | xlizard: | dh0: try mythbackend --help ;)= |
| [00:25:00] | xlizard: | for daemon |
| [00:26:00] | xlizard: | if everything is running you can create an init-script, or just enter it in rc.local script, not know where you can find it in debian |
| [00:26:00] | jonK: | run mythbackend --help to see some command line options dh0 |
| [00:27:00] | jonK: | did you install from packages? |
| [00:27:00] | jonK: | dh0? |
| [00:28:00] | riddlebox: | jonk:orderd the pvr500 today, should be here in two days :) |
| [00:28:00] | xlizard: | seems nobody can help me with cutting recordings (?) |
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| [00:35:00] | jonK: | good deal... just dont mix it with a 350, i still have not been able to get them to play nice |
| [00:35:00] | garrick: | jonK: doh, really? I just ordered a 500 last night to go with my 350 |
| [00:36:00] | dh0: | sorry, phone |
| [00:36:00] | dh0: | yeah did i with a source package or whatever |
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| [00:37:00] | dh0: | it looks like i have done as much as i can without a video capture card |
| [00:37:00] | jsldub: | xlizard: well that did fix the incorrect numbers, but the channels still have incorrect descriptions |
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| [00:37:00] | jsldub: | each channel is getting the description from the next channel uip |
| [00:37:00] | dh0: | time to see if i can sell the idea to my dad. He may not let me buy a capture card |
| [00:37:00] | dh0: | but, he could go as far as paying for the whole thing. we shall see |
| [00:39:00] | dh0: | thanks for all the help jonK and xlizard |
| [00:40:00] | garrick: | what's broken with a 350 and a 500? |
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| [00:42:00] | dh0: | adios |
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| [00:45:00] | emilylove: | greetings again |
| [00:45:00] | kormoc2: | Mornin Emily |
| [00:46:00] | dougl: | is there any way to get mythtv to work with a satellite reciever card? |
| [00:46:00] | emilylove: | heh thanks kormac |
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| [00:56:00] | emilylove: | anyone in here used "MythStream"? |
| [00:56:00] | JohnnyQuest: | what does mythstream do? |
| [00:57:00] | garrick: | is the 350+500 problem a mythtv problem or an ivtv problem? |
| [00:57:00] | JohnnyQuest: | some other people have it, id ont know what causes it |
| [00:57:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i think its an ivtv problem |
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| [00:58:00] | emilylove: | a plugin for listening to streams like shoutcast through mythtv |
| [00:58:00] | JohnnyQuest: | o ok |
| [00:58:00] | MonMotha: | dougl: mythtv supports DVB, if you live in DVB land |
| [00:59:00] | MonMotha: | (you can use some ATSC tuners with the DVB stuff too, but that's not for sat) |
| [00:59:00] | emilylove: | unless any of you know a better way of doing it....There are several shoutcast stations that are really cool |
| [01:01:00] | dougl: | MonMotha: thanks... err is canada dvb land? |
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| [01:06:00] | jonK: | garrick, i can't get the first tuner of the 500 to work |
| [01:06:00] | jonK: | it may only occur if you use the tvout of the 350 |
| [01:07:00] | solarium_rider: | Does anyone know which card would be better for HDTV dvi output, a geforce 5200 or a 6200? I've read places that the XvMC on the 5200 is better? Looking to couple this with a HD-3000 card |
| [01:07:00] | garrick: | jonK: which I am doing |
| [01:07:00] | jonK: | me too |
| [01:07:00] | jonK: | so i don't use both tuners of the 500 |
| [01:07:00] | garrick: | jonK: any references to list discussons or bz ids? |
| [01:07:00] | jonK: | it's been discussed in a couple places, but no solution that i've seen |
| [01:07:00] | jonK: | does it work for you? |
| [01:08:00] | JohnnyQuest: | you can get a 5200 for 30 dollars at zipzoomfly right now, but i dont know if it has dvi out, but i will in 2 days |
| [01:08:00] | garrick: | jonK: I don't have the 500 yet, just ordered it last night |
| [01:08:00] | garrick: | jonK: I assume you are using latest ivtv 3.5? |
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| [01:14:00] | garrick: | I'm currently using ivtv 0.2.0, hopefully it doesn't have this problem :) |
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| [01:17:00] | garrick: | dumb question from a newbie: when watching live TV with a 350 (using the onboard tuner and TVout), does the data stay on the card (called pass-through mode?) ? |
| [01:18:00] | garrick: | I'm wondering if using a tuner on a 500 and the TVout on a 350, will load the machine more than just using the 350 by itself (which might imply that I should make the 500 the first tuner in the list) |
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| [01:22:00] | jonk: | garrick, i thought 3.6 was current ivtv driver version |
| [01:22:00] | MonMotha: | solarium_rider: I have an FX5600 Ultra, and I have a 720p modeline via DVI to my DLP. It looks excellent |
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| [01:23:00] | MonMotha: | dougl: for terrestrial and cable? No. For sats? I'm not quite sure. Most US sat services are NOT DVB |
| [01:23:00] | garrick: | jonk: you are probably right, I choose "stable" (which was 0.2.0) when I downloaded it a few weeks ago... I've not had a reason to try the devel version |
| [01:24:00] | MonMotha: | I don't know if canadian services use the same sats as US services, I would presume quite possibly so |
| [01:24:00] | solarium_rider: | monmotha, what kind of cpu usage does that require? my system cpu is only a athlon 1200MHz. I want to make sure the output is smooth |
| [01:24:00] | MonMotha: | solarium_rider: you will not be able to decode hi-def with that processor |
| [01:24:00] | JohnnyQuest: | well, you will have trouble with hdtv with a 1200, but that graphics card will take load off of the processor |
| [01:25:00] | MonMotha: | I have a 2.2GHz AthlonXP, and even with XvMC I still over around 55–75% for 1080i |
| [01:25:00] | MonMotha: | you MAY be able to pull off 720p |
| [01:25:00] | MonMotha: | ABC and FOX (and for some reason, my local PBS station) use 720p. NBC and CBS use 1080i |
| [01:26:00] | solarium_rider: | So do you know of any performance differences between the 6x00 and the 5x00 nvidia line for hdtv? |
| [01:26:00] | MonMotha: | not really. I know MythTV's XvMC support is very unstable :) |
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| [01:26:00] | MonMotha: | I usually just decode in software if I can |
| [01:26:00] | MonMotha: | (so for everything but 1080i) |
| [01:27:00] | JohnnyQuest: | the decoding with the gfx card isnt good yet? |
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| [01:27:00] | MonMotha: | it works |
| [01:27:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i just got a 5200 |
| [01:27:00] | Chutt2: | an 1800+ can do 720p smoothly, pure software decode. |
| [01:28:00] | MonMotha: | there's some OSD issues (it'll be grayscale, and mine flickers and causes skippage while on screen) |
| [01:28:00] | MonMotha: | and if your signal drops out momentarily, it'll sometime get into a position it can't recover from and you'll have to kill and restart the frontend |
| [01:28:00] | MonMotha: | software decoding (with libmpeg2) seems a little more tolerant |
| [01:29:00] | MonMotha: | I only turn on XvMC when I need to do 1080i since there's so much data I can't decode it in software, and I have to deinterlace it too |
| [01:29:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
| [01:29:00] | JohnnyQuest: | is it better pciture quality with xvmc? |
| [01:29:00] | MonMotha: | just the same |
| [01:29:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
| [01:30:00] | MonMotha: | if anything, possibly a little worse, but it's at the point where it's probably just personal preference |
| [01:30:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
| [01:30:00] | MonMotha: | may just be that I only use XvMC with 1080i, and that has to be deinterlaced, so you can get some interlace artifacting |
| [01:30:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
| [01:31:00] | bhursey: | yay! my new backend is compioling myth.... |
| [01:31:00] | bhursey: | =) |
| [01:31:00] | JohnnyQuest: | anyone know how to quiet an hd without buying one of those cases for it? |
| [01:31:00] | MonMotha: | turn it off? :) |
| [01:32:00] | garrick: | JohnnyQuest: not mucn you can do other than damping the mount points with rubber |
| [01:32:00] | MonMotha: | some hdds have a noise configuration option (trade off speed for sound) |
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| [01:32:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i was reading about a mount that supposidly reduces the sound of it, but it costs 40 dollars.. |
| [01:32:00] | JohnnyQuest: | and its not worth that much to me |
| [01:33:00] | MonMotha: | I just put the computer in a different room :) |
| [01:33:00] | MonMotha: | string a giant DVI cable |
| [01:33:00] | francis3: | How to get EPG over DVB-S in mythtv 0.18? |
| [01:33:00] | MonMotha: | there's a checkbox |
| [01:33:00] | MonMotha: | if it's anything like US ATSC EPG data, it'll be useless :) |
| [01:34:00] | bhursey: | dam one downside of gentoo is the long compile times. =( |
| [01:34:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i dont have that option, its a dorm room |
| [01:34:00] | MonMotha: | JohnnyQuest: ah, then turn up the volume :) |
| [01:34:00] | honey is now known as honeyzzz | |
| [01:35:00] | JohnnyQuest: | lol |
| [01:35:00] | francis3: | I've searched for the checkbox for hours ... did not found it! |
| [01:35:00] | solarium_rider: | bhursey: if you have multiple linux machines on the same network, look into distcc, it'll distribute the compile jobs across the different machines |
| [01:35:00] | francis3: | Seem I have to recompile mythtv ... correct? |
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| [01:36:00] | bhursey: | ya I acualy have a cluster just to tierd to set it up right now... |
| [01:37:00] | bhursey: | I build a gentoo cluster last year its 4 systems. |
| [01:38:00] | francis3: | ... |
| [01:38:00] | bhursey: | but most of them are off and unpluged... |
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| [01:41:00] | skone: | I have an asus pundit and am running Knoppmyth R5A16, do I need to download the sis binary driver, or should I just leave it alone? |
| [01:43:00] | garrick: | skone: general rule of thumb for binary drivers... use the open driver first, if it works for you, use it. only after it doesn't work for you, get the binary |
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| [01:44:00] | garrick: | skone: the open driver will always be easier to support, more stable, and play better with others. the binary will always be a pain to deal with |
| [01:44:00] | dh0: | hello, i'm back with another question |
| [01:44:00] | dh0: | on boot i got a mythtv error |
| [01:44:00] | dh0: | something like |
| [01:44:00] | dh0: | cant create /.qt |
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| [01:44:00] | garrick: | dh0: is that from the frontend starting? |
| [01:45:00] | francis3: | I'm running KnoppMyth R5A16 ... how to get EPG over DVB-s? |
| [01:45:00] | dh0: | i think its from the backend |
| [01:45:00] | dh0: | brb phone |
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| [01:45:00] | MonMotha: | francis3: IIRC, when you add the channel in mythtv-setup, there's a checkbox |
| [01:45:00] | garrick: | dh0: I don't think the backend will use qt (but I'm still a newb) |
| [01:45:00] | MonMotha: | I remember seeing it |
| [01:45:00] | skone: | garrick: so you just think I should stick the default one with R5a16? |
| [01:46:00] | MonMotha: | I even enabled it and laughed at how messed up the guide data was from my local broadcasters |
| [01:46:00] | dh0: | okay i am back |
| [01:46:00] | dh0: | where would i find a log of my boot |
| [01:46:00] | dh0: | i am on debian |
| [01:46:00] | dh0: | yeah i found it |
| [01:47:00] | dh0: | this is the output |
| [01:47:00] | francis3: | MonMotha: No checkbox here ... read in list archives i need to recompile? Do you run Knoppmyth R5A16? |
| [01:47:00] | dh0: | Starting MythTV server: mythbackendQSettings: error creating /.qt |
| [01:47:00] | garrick: | dh0: does the user running mythbackend have write access to it's homedir? |
| [01:48:00] | dh0: | i swear i gave it permissions |
| [01:48:00] | garrick: | dh0: for example, on my machine, mythbackend is run by user "mythtv", which has a homedir of /var/lib/mythtv, which is owned and writeable by "mythtv" |
| [01:49:00] | MonMotha: | francis3: no, I run Debian unstable |
| [01:49:00] | dh0: | okay, looking |
| [01:49:00] | MonMotha: | dh0: my system does that as well (appears to be mythtv starting as root before it switches to the mythtv user and getting confused). It seems rather harmless |
| [01:50:00] | dh0: | garrick, i dont think i ever set that. i did tell it to record to /mnt/video. is that what you mean. that isnt exactly a home dir though |
| [01:50:00] | garrick: | my mythtv user did make an empty .qt directory |
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| [01:50:00] | dh0: | a /home/mythtv does exist |
| [01:50:00] | garrick: | dh0: which is the username that is running backend? |
| [01:50:00] | dh0: | weird, a /home/mythtv/.qt dir does exist |
| [01:51:00] | garrick: | dh0: do 'getent passwd <username>', the 6th field is the home directory |
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| [01:51:00] | dh0: | well, i'm not sure the backend started on boot |
| [01:51:00] | dh0: | /home/mythtv |
| [01:52:00] | garrick: | dh0: if you saw that error message, it clearly at least attempted to start |
| [01:52:00] | MonMotha: | dh0: ensure that mysql is correctly starting up BEFORE mythtv (you may need to even delay the start of mythtv to give mysql some time to start up) |
| [01:52:00] | dh0: | the error log said couldnt write to /.qt |
| [01:52:00] | MonMotha: | mythtv gives up pretty quickly if it can't connect to the database (unlike other times when it should give up but gets stuck in an infinite loop :) |
| [01:52:00] | jonk: | i've seen that before and have been able to ignore it |
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| [01:52:00] | dh0: | but like i dont see how that is a db issue |
| [01:52:00] | jonk: | did you check if it is or is not running? |
| [01:53:00] | dh0: | it couldnt create the file |
| [01:53:00] | dh0: | the backend is *NOT* running |
| [01:53:00] | garrick: | dh0: see if it is running, see which username it is running as, check the homedir of that user, check the ownership of the homedir (don't assume /home/mythtv because it exists) |
| [01:53:00] | dh0: | sql is |
| [01:53:00] | MonMotha: | check the logfiles for mythtv |
| [01:53:00] | jonk: | or just run |
| [01:53:00] | dh0: | k |
| [01:53:00] | MonMotha: | debian puts them in /var/log/mythtv |
| [01:54:00] | jonk: | ps -ef | grep mythv |
| [01:54:00] | MonMotha: | or run it as the mythtv user in non-backgrounding mode |
| [01:54:00] | MonMotha: | I was working under the assumption that it was not running... |
| [01:54:00] | jonk: | make sure |
| [01:54:00] | dh0: | i checked, it is not running now |
| [01:54:00] | dh0: | looking at the log... |
| [01:54:00] | jonk: | run it from console |
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| [01:56:00] | dh0: | Conflict in /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql-non-mt.so: |
| [01:56:00] | dh0: | Plugin uses single threaded Qt library! |
| [01:56:00] | dh0: | QSettings: error creating /.qt |
| [01:56:00] | dh0: | taht relevant? |
| [01:56:00] | MonMotha: | oh, your qt is borked |
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| [01:56:00] | MonMotha: | you need multithreaded qt supporting sql |
| [01:56:00] | MonMotha: | debian has like 5 different installable qts |
| [01:56:00] | dh0: | k |
| [01:56:00] | jonk: | or just the right qt mysql driver |
| [01:57:00] | dh0: | iam on debian unstable. that soundlt be hard to find, right? |
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| [01:57:00] | dh0: | oh i know whats up |
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| [01:57:00] | dh0: | i have the non-threaded and the multithreaded installed |
| [01:57:00] | MonMotha: | jonk: I don't remember how debian packages it. I seem to recall that the mysql stuff was actually in a full package of qt that was designated as such |
| [01:58:00] | jonk: | i had to install both the libqt-mt-3 libraray |
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| [01:58:00] | jonk: | and an qt-sql driver |
| [01:58:00] | dh0: | got it |
| [01:58:00] | dh0: | libqt3c102-mt-mysql right? |
| [01:59:00] | jonk: | should work |
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| [01:59:00] | jonk: | y |
| [02:00:00] | dh0: | gunna try running it manually and see what happens |
| [02:00:00] | dh0: | /etc/init.d/myth... start should trigger it the same, right? |
| [02:00:00] | jonk: | you might restart mysql first |
| [02:02:00] | dh0: | k |
| [02:04:00] | dh0: | restarted sql. and now it looks like it worked |
| [02:05:00] | dh0: | one small issue, its been a whihle since i used chmod. how do i make say /mnt/video readable/writeable for the mythtv user? |
| [02:05:00] | jonk: | restarting sql worked, or mythbackend workd? |
| [02:05:00] | dh0: | both did |
| [02:05:00] | dh0: | restart -> worked. backend -> worked with minor permision problem |
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| [02:05:00] | MonMotha: | currently, there seems to be a bug in debian unstable's mysql |
| [02:06:00] | jonk: | man chmod |
| [02:06:00] | MonMotha: | I have to kill mysql, restart it, then start mythtv |
| [02:06:00] | dh0: | fair enough :) |
| [02:09:00] | dh0: | sweet, we are good to go |
| [02:09:00] | dh0: | thanks again |
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| [02:38:00] | bhursey: | hey xris |
| [02:38:00] | xris: | ? |
| [02:38:00] | bhursey: | i was just saying hey |
| [02:38:00] | bhursey: | lol |
| [02:38:00] | xris: | ah. :) |
| [02:38:00] | xris: | hi |
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| [02:40:00] | bhursey: | about 2 min after I left it clicked what you men about saving and over writing a file to have the laitist entry first. |
| [02:40:00] | bhursey: | i was like duh =) |
| [02:41:00] | dougl: | do any of the tuner cards supported by mythtv support HDTV input? |
| [02:42:00] | xris: | dougl: stfw |
| [02:42:00] | xris: | but the quick answer is "yes" |
| [02:42:00] | dougl: | xris: thanks |
| [02:43:00] | xris: | bhursey: that's the "correct" way to save files.. of course, it doesn't really play nicely with unix permissions, but for most things it's fine. |
| [02:43:00] | bhursey: | whats tehn default rez on a standard tv because I have it set at 640x480 with overscan. |
| [02:44:00] | dougl: | xris: lol... (googled 'stfw') kinda like rtfm... I didn't catch on to that suggestion the first time either :) |
| [02:44:00] | bhursey: | xris: yah but you gave me an option. =D |
| [02:44:00] | xris: | dougl: yeah. it's my latest favorite acronym. (I also had to stfw for it. ;) |
| [02:44:00] | xris: | bhursey: there is no "default res" for tv. |
| [02:45:00] | xris: | ntsc broadcast is at *best* 512x384 (though you should capture higher if your card supports it, due to hardware filtering in the card, etc) |
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| [02:46:00] | xris: | I capture 720x480 via svideo from Dish, and it looks great. |
| [02:46:00] | bhursey: | ahh |
| [02:46:00] | xris: | analog broadcast signals don't really have a resolution like digital stuff does. |
| [02:46:00] | bhursey: | i just thought it was srinking because I have about a 1 inch black bar on each side of the screen |
| [02:47:00] | xris: | esp. since you have to deal with static, etc... that was Christopher's issue earlier — so much static that it's causing all kinds of digital artifacts. |
| [02:47:00] | xris: | well, for output, that's a whole other issue. |
| [02:47:00] | Atamido: | Broadcast has a set number of rows. |
| [02:48:00] | Atamido: | Didn't we have this discussion earlier? |
| [02:48:00] | Atamido: | And didn't we decide that vegetarians are dorks? |
| [02:48:00] | ** Atamido hides. ** | |
| [02:48:00] | xris: | Atamido: rows, yes. but not pixels |
| [02:48:00] | bhursey: | brb gona go move my capture card from my current fontend/backend to my new dedicated backend. =D |
| [02:49:00] | xris: | see, if I had kick privs, I'd just kick people for dumb comments like that... |
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| [02:50:00] | xris: | (the vegetarian comment, that is)... |
| [02:50:00] | xris: | and for distro/political/religious wars, too. |
| [02:50:00] | xris: | well, those three are all kind of the same thing... |
| [02:50:00] | Atamido: | distro/political/religious/vegetarian wars |
| [02:51:00] | jsldub: | distropolirigiveg wars you mean? |
| [02:51:00] | xris: | Atamido: I could add "dietary preferences" in there, yes. |
| [02:52:00] | xris: | not something worth fighting about. |
| [02:52:00] | Atamido: | Fortunately if xris and I were ever trapped in a room together, he would die first. |
| [02:52:00] | Atamido: | I would kill him and eat him, being carniverous and all. |
| [02:52:00] | Atamido: | *rawr* |
| [02:53:00] | Atamido: | Okay, I should probably stop egging you on now as I will probably have to ask you for help soon. :P |
| [02:53:00] | xris: | heh |
| [02:53:00] | ** xris wonders if he's eaten more weird stuff than Atamido... ** | |
| [02:53:00] | ** Atamido stretches out a hand of dietary peace to xris. ** | |
| [02:54:00] | ** Atamido wonders when the last time he ate a vegtable was. ** | |
| [02:54:00] | ** xris thwacks Atamido with the trout of peace. ** | |
| [02:55:00] | xris: | ok, very weird. my "windows" key sends "scroll up" |
| [02:56:00] | Atamido: | The Windows key is the same as Ctrl-Esc. |
| [02:56:00] | xris: | not at the moment. it's *supposed* to be a compose key. |
| [02:56:00] | xris: | but for some reason the right-windows key is sending mouse-4 and mouse-5 (down/up) |
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| [02:58:00] | xris: | wonder what fc4 f'd up. |
| [02:58:00] | ** xris wonders how to type "copyright" with the compose key. ** | |
| [02:59:00] | xris: | ok, why does it work in gaim, but not in jedit. |
| [02:59:00] | xris: | oh well. copy-paste works. |
| [03:00:00] | Atamido: | Use Chatzilla like me, nothing works there. :) |
| [03:01:00] | xris: | like to keep all of my chats in one window. |
| [03:03:00] | Atamido: | Chatzilla uses tabs. |
| [03:03:00] | Atamido: | Or, you mean cascaded to be all visible at once? |
| [03:03:00] | xris: | does it do aim+yim+msn+jabber+icq, too? |
| [03:04:00] | Atamido: | No, you need Gaim for that. |
| [03:04:00] | Atamido: | But it's better than Gaim. |
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| [03:04:00] | xris: | thus, can't keep all of my chats in one window. |
| [03:04:00] | Atamido: | It can use 10x the resources that Gaim can use. |
| [03:08:00] | dougl: | is there a hardware compatibility/support list for mythtv? |
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| [03:09:00] | bhursey: | yes |
| [03:11:00] | xris: | dougl: basically any v4l, ivtv or dvb driver-supported card. |
| [03:11:00] | Atamido: | There is some list somewhere, but I think it was recently reset. |
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| [03:16:00] | bhursey: | my room is trashed because I have canibolized my systems.... LOL!!! |
| [03:16:00] | bhursey: | i moved my dektop into my beedroom both systems are on the flor running off of a kvm switch |
| [03:17:00] | bhursey: | hope this works |
| [03:17:00] | bhursey: | its like hardware city in here, |
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| [03:39:00] | xris: | man, and now I'm working on mythweb instead of other stuff... heh. |
| [03:39:00] | xris: | food time. |
| [03:40:00] | bhursey: | LOL |
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| [03:41:00] | nick125: | hey, anyone here know off hand what is the latest version of ivtv? |
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| [03:44:00] | vladster: | has anyone compiled mythtv on debian |
| [03:44:00] | Agrajag-: | yep |
| [03:45:00] | vladster: | I have run the configure wscript as root and it comes up with a lot of missing support that should be there |
| [03:45:00] | Agrajag-: | why are you running it as root? |
| [03:46:00] | ** nick125 hacks up a ebuild for 0.3.6o and emerges it ** | |
| [03:46:00] | vladster: | the compiles don't work right as sudo |
| [03:46:00] | Chutt2: | why are you compiling with sudo? |
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| [03:46:00] | bhursey: | SOB |
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| [03:46:00] | vladster: | and there is not deb packages available |
| [03:46:00] | bhursey: | my tv just died |
| [03:46:00] | Agrajag-: | you dont need compile with sudo |
| [03:46:00] | Chutt2: | there are indeed debian packages available |
| [03:46:00] | Agrajag-: | only sudo make install |
| [03:46:00] | bhursey: | literaly it blinked and now it wont turn back on. |
| [03:47:00] | vladster: | what repos |
| [03:47:00] | Chutt2: | linked to from the website. |
| [03:47:00] | Agrajag-: | if you have the right deps then it compiles fine vladster |
| [03:47:00] | vladster: | I see only the knoppix |
| [03:48:00] | Chutt2: | look harder |
| [03:48:00] | bhursey: | I was ajustiing the coaxil cable while it was on just moving the wiers around and it pped and shut off.. I realy hope I dont have to buy a new tv.. |
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| [03:52:00] | vladster: | By the way what driver does debian use for the pcHDTV3000 card |
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| [03:54:00] | vladster: | and why does mythtv use an sql server |
| [03:55:00] | bhursey: | because it needs a databse =D |
| [03:55:00] | bhursey: | to store all of the lisings and settings |
| [03:55:00] | vladster: | the backend failed to start |
| [03:55:00] | jonk: | vladster — build a 2.6.12 version of the kernel |
| [03:55:00] | jonk: | it includes dvb support for the hd3000 |
| [03:56:00] | vladster: | how risky is that for the system |
| [03:56:00] | vladster: | otherwise, what will it break |
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| [03:58:00] | jonk: | you can have multiple kernel versions |
| [03:58:00] | jonk: | and select which one to boot |
| [03:58:00] | jonk: | if you build a new one and it exploded |
| [03:58:00] | jonk: | boot the old one |
| [03:59:00] | vladster: | the latest kernel image availabe is 2.6.11 |
| [03:59:00] | vladster: | and that is in the repos |
| [04:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | 2.6.12.1 is out, but if you are using precompiled kernels that come with your distro you might have to either compile your own or wait for it to appear |
| [04:01:00] | vladster: | I don't want to break a working system, I have too much on it |
| [04:01:00] | jsldub: | if you get a new kernel, you can add it to your bootlaoder, and still go back to where you were before with your old kernel |
| [04:02:00] | vladster: | besides, I never really compiled a kernel succesfully before |
| [04:03:00] | vladster: | the trick is the nvidia driver never cooperates in those cases |
| [04:03:00] | vladster: | especially with debian |
| [04:03:00] | ** nick125 begins shooting lineak with a automatic weapon :P ** | |
| [04:03:00] | jsldub: | when you make your kernel, remember to turn off framebuffer if you want to use nvidia driver |
| [04:04:00] | nick125: | anyone here know of something like lineakd, but, doesnt take 30 and a 1/2 trys to get working? |
| [04:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | Having never heard of it before, I'd have to say no :) |
| [04:05:00] | nick125: | its a key mapping program pretty much |
| [04:06:00] | nick125: | i would use the thing in XFCE, but: 1) my volume wheel doesnt work in it 2) not enough spaces |
| [04:06:00] | vladster: | I am dreading the day I may have to give up debian for mainstream hardware support |
| [04:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | vladster: heh |
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| [04:07:00] | vladster: | I like the power I have and I don't want to give it up |
| [04:08:00] | vladster: | synaptic |
| [04:08:00] | vladster: | oops |
| [04:08:00] | vladster: | wrong terminal |
| [04:10:00] | vladster: | will 2.6.11 work |
| [04:10:00] | vladster: | that I can get |
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| [04:14:00] | Chutt2: | if you use the debian nvidia driver packages, and use make-kpkg to build your kernel, the nvidia driver's rebuilt automatically whenenever you recompile your kernel |
| [04:17:00] | vladster: | make_kpkg? |
| [04:17:00] | gnoob: | will myth run on any linux distro? |
| [04:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | gnoob: Myth doesn't care about the distro, as long as the system requirements (libraries and such) are met |
| [04:18:00] | gnoob: | ok, that's what i figured. |
| [04:18:00] | gnoob: | something like that |
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| [04:29:00] | vladster: | damn, what kernel version is suse using |
| [04:34:00] | jsldub: | uname -a |
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| [05:07:00] | guestish: | hi, im trying to decide whether to use HD-3000 or a WinTV GO card for a mythtv box |
| [05:08:00] | guestish: | what is the state of support for HD-3000 for switching between high and low def? |
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| [05:10:00] | guestish: | hum... |
| [05:10:00] | guestish: | anyone alive in here? |
| [05:16:00] | bhursey: | sort of |
| [05:16:00] | bhursey: | but i dont know your anser sorry? |
| [05:16:00] | bhursey: | did you try googling it? |
| [05:17:00] | guestish: | yeah... |
| [05:18:00] | guestish: | nothing confirming or denying it |
| [05:18:00] | bhursey: | i dono |
| [05:18:00] | bhursey: | i wish I could aford a HD-3000 card |
| [05:18:00] | guestish: | heh |
| [05:19:00] | bhursey: | I have a cheep leadtek 2000xp epert that I got for 35$ |
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| [05:19:00] | mishehu: | ugh. I don't know what I'd do to get ati fglrx drivers that actually will compile here... |
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| [05:22:00] | defy: | I just ran an upgrade on my mythtv box and its giving me this error when starting mythbackend now, its fedora core1, any ideas anyone? Starting mythbackend: /usr/bin/mythbackend: relocation error: /usr/lib/libmyth-0.18.1.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZN9QGroupBox10setEnabledEb |
| [05:24:00] | Agrajag-: | do you still have the old install still lying around or something? |
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| [05:25:00] | defy: | install of? I assume all the files were overwritten with the newer versions, i guess it missed something |
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| [05:25:00] | Agrajag-: | uninstall the old version |
| [05:26:00] | Agrajag-: | you may then need to reinstall the new one |
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| [05:41:00] | mchou: | I'm confused. |
| [05:42:00] | mchou: | anyone have a pundit here? |
| [05:43:00] | mchou: | wow, you have to be real careful if you want mATX and integrated video for AMD CPUs. |
| [05:44:00] | mchou: | integrated memory controller on CPU means you can't really used shared memory on integrated video.... |
| [05:45:00] | mchou: | basically means integrated Unichrome is useless with A64 (as far as myth is concerned). Sigh. |
| [05:47:00] | mchou: | xv bandwidth issues. |
| [05:48:00] | guestish: | hum |
| [05:48:00] | guestish: | i just want to know about using HD vs SD |
| [05:48:00] | guestish: | im forced to use a cable box for the majority of my channels, so i dont care about listings, i just want to know if mythtv/hd3000 can decode, record, and display the majority of the channels |
| [05:53:00] | guestish: | and switch back and forth.. |
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| [06:13:00] | travolta: | defy, maybe try "ldconfig" then restart the backend |
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| [06:15:00] | mchou: | I dont know what you're talking about. ATSC includes hd and sd. hd3k can tune to those but not NTSC. |
| [06:15:00] | MonMotha: | the HD3k can indeed tune analog NTSC |
| [06:15:00] | MonMotha: | just not at the same time as ATSC |
| [06:16:00] | MonMotha: | and it doesn't look any better than a crappy bttv |
| [06:16:00] | mchou: | I thought hd3k could nit tune to NTSC at all..... |
| [06:16:00] | mchou: | not* |
| [06:17:00] | MonMotha: | no, it has an analog side too |
| [06:17:00] | MonMotha: | just uses the cx88 v4l driver |
| [06:17:00] | MonMotha: | almost nobody uses is |
| [06:17:00] | MonMotha: | apparently the svideo is kinda broken |
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| [06:17:00] | mchou: | heh, ok. |
| [06:18:00] | MonMotha: | you don't happen to know much about ivtv, do you? |
| [06:18:00] | mchou: | 2x150 and 2xm179 :) |
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| [06:18:00] | MonMotha: | awesom... |
| [06:18:00] | MonMotha: | I need to get it to get along with cx88-dvb in 2.6.12 |
| [06:18:00] | mchou: | I think that qualifies as more than "newb" |
| [06:19:00] | MonMotha: | the problem is that using the ivtv included tveeprom and tuner modules don't know about the hd3k, and the ones in stock 2.6.12 don't know about the PVR-150 |
| [06:19:00] | MonMotha: | if it comes down to it, I can just start manually merging things |
| [06:19:00] | mchou: | huh??? |
| [06:19:00] | MonMotha: | but I know next to nothing about the v4l api |
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| [06:20:00] | MonMotha: | the ivtv drivers include a modified version of tuner.c and tveeprom.c that know how to talk to the pvr-150 tuner. However, these modified copies are based on an older revision that doesn't have support for my hd3k (now in kernel) |
| [06:20:00] | mchou: | could have fooled me. I thoought that was merged by ivtv already. |
| [06:20:00] | MonMotha: | well, it may be ni the dev stream, but the dev drivers don't work at all |
| [06:21:00] | mchou: | who says? |
| [06:21:00] | MonMotha: | the "stable" drivers I can at least get video from the composite input and sound (though it's mixed with static from the non-tuner tuner) |
| [06:21:00] | mchou: | I'm using dev stream. |
| [06:21:00] | MonMotha: | the dev series I get nothing |
| [06:21:00] | MonMotha: | it claims to see the card, though |
| [06:22:00] | mchou: | well, sounds like you need two backends :) |
| [06:22:00] | MonMotha: | not happening |
| [06:22:00] | MonMotha: | this needs to be made to work |
| [06:22:00] | mchou: | one for ivtv and another for hd3k :) |
| [06:22:00] | mchou: | ok. Good luck :) |
| [06:22:00] | MonMotha: | I figured as such |
| [06:23:00] | mchou: | svideo works on mine. I dunno what your problem is. |
| [06:23:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: your hd3k? |
| [06:23:00] | mchou: | no, my pvr150 :) |
| [06:23:00] | MonMotha: | oh, composite works on my pvr-150 |
| [06:23:00] | MonMotha: | I presume svideo does too |
| [06:23:00] | MonMotha: | but I need the tuner to work |
| [06:24:00] | mchou: | tuner works on my 150 also. |
| [06:24:00] | MonMotha: | doesn't on mine at all really |
| [06:24:00] | mchou: | so I dunno what you referring to. |
| [06:24:00] | MonMotha: | I tried with the ivtv copies of everything and nothing would tune it |
| [06:24:00] | mchou: | bah. |
| [06:24:00] | mchou: | try 3.2x |
| [06:24:00] | mchou: | works like a charm. |
| [06:25:00] | mchou: | never bothered to upgrade since. |
| [06:25:00] | MonMotha: | 0.3.2x will have cx88-dvb/hd3000 stuff merged in? |
| [06:25:00] | mchou: | beats me. I dont have hd3k. |
| [06:25:00] | mchou: | there is reference to it in tuner.h tough, iirc. |
| [06:26:00] | MonMotha: | really... |
| [06:26:00] | mchou: | though* |
| [06:27:00] | mchou: | it's amazing to me any of this stuff works at all, never mind together :) |
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| [06:33:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: heh |
| [06:37:00] | guestish: | MonMotha: i currently have 10 low def stations |
| [06:37:00] | guestish: | MonMotha: er, i mean 10 HD stations |
| [06:37:00] | guestish: | and about 150 low def stations |
| [06:37:00] | guestish: | meaning that if i get that card i want to be able to switch back and forth easily |
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| [06:39:00] | MonMotha: | guestish: I wouldn't call it "easy" especially with mythtv |
| [06:40:00] | MonMotha: | mythtv doesn't know that it can't try to use them both at the same time |
| [06:40:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: I thought HD3k has qam support. |
| [06:40:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: it does |
| [06:40:00] | mchou: | doesnt show that in the specs. |
| [06:40:00] | guestish: | so im better off w/ the bt878 wintv card? |
| [06:40:00] | MonMotha: | I've had it correctly detect QAM, though I've not tried to receive it |
| [06:40:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: the website is outdated |
| [06:40:00] | MonMotha: | guestish: it's certaily a lot cheaper |
| [06:40:00] | mchou: | bah, detection and rection are two completely different things. |
| [06:40:00] | guestish: | its not about price, its about how well its supported |
| [06:41:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: I just haven't tried it yet. I know people have had it working |
| [06:41:00] | mchou: | guestish: bah, get pvr150 instead. You'll be happier :) |
| [06:41:00] | guestish: | its a cable box, so i would be changing on the cable box, not the tv |
| [06:41:00] | guestish: | mchou: why |
| [06:41:00] | MonMotha: | true, PVR-150 is $60 at Circuit City (*shudder*) this week |
| [06:41:00] | MonMotha: | only like $20 more than a crappy BT878 |
| [06:41:00] | mchou: | HW, encoding , irblaster and remote. Better PQ too. |
| [06:41:00] | guestish: | support? |
| [06:42:00] | MonMotha: | ivtv, if you can get it working |
| [06:42:00] | guestish: | how well is it supported?' |
| [06:42:00] | guestish: | im no programmer... |
| [06:42:00] | mchou: | bah, it works just fine. |
| [06:42:00] | MonMotha: | fully |
| [06:42:00] | MonMotha: | it works just fine, unless you also have an HD3000 :) |
| [06:42:00] | guestish: | heh |
| [06:42:00] | guestish: | im trying to decide what to buy |
| [06:42:00] | mchou: | if ppl bother to read docs they wouldnt screw up all the time. |
| [06:43:00] | guestish: | i want hd support if possible, but if i have to use low def only i will |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | get yourself to circuit city this week. |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | no joke. |
| [06:43:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: the documentation seems rather nonexistant, actually |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | bullshit. |
| [06:43:00] | MonMotha: | basicaly amounts to "download this tarball, run make, make install and pray" |
| [06:43:00] | MonMotha: | at least that's all I've found |
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| [06:43:00] | mchou: | ivtv tree is full of docs. |
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| [06:43:00] | MonMotha: | there's some wikis and stuff |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | screw wikis |
| [06:43:00] | Atamido: | Yeah, the wikis are actuallyhelpful. |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | they suck. |
| [06:43:00] | Atamido: | Indeed. |
| [06:44:00] | Atamido: | Real men don't read instructions! |
| [06:44:00] | MonMotha: | the wikis do at least have some common gotcha type stuff |
| [06:44:00] | EruditeHermit: | hey, can anyone help me to get myth working with my audigy2? I can't find the right mixer settings |
| [06:44:00] | guestish: | hum... |
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| [06:44:00] | guestish: | can we stop the flaming long enough to answer my question? =D |
| [06:44:00] | mchou: | who is flaming? |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | plus we answered your question already :) |
| [06:45:00] | MonMotha: | guestish: the PVR-150 is well supported, yes |
| [06:45:00] | guestish: | well not flaming, but kinda avoiding it |
| [06:45:00] | guestish: | :) |
| [06:45:00] | guestish: | mchou: i musta missed it |
| [06:45:00] | guestish: | MonMotha: thx |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | guestish: [21:42:13] <mchou> bah, it works just fine. |
| [06:45:00] | guestish: | so if i changed channel on the cable box would mythtv make the switch from high to low def or visa versa? |
| [06:46:00] | MonMotha: | guestish: oh, you have a cable box? |
| [06:46:00] | guestish: | yeah, they encrypt my cable =\ |
| [06:46:00] | MonMotha: | the hd3000 can only capture direct QAM or 8VSB |
| [06:46:00] | MonMotha: | which means it's worthless for you anyway |
| [06:46:00] | mchou: | pv150 is SD only |
| [06:46:00] | guestish: | it cant decode the hd signal from the cable box? |
| [06:46:00] | MonMotha: | guestish: it can decode the same signal that's fed to the cable box, but it can't decrypt it |
| [06:46:00] | mchou: | yes it can, but onlly clear qam channels. |
| [06:47:00] | MonMotha: | you would use the hd3k without a cable box at all |
| [06:47:00] | mchou: | basically local networks. |
| [06:47:00] | MonMotha: | but that means your cable has to be unencrypted |
| [06:47:00] | guestish: | i wish i had that choice.. |
| [06:47:00] | MonMotha: | and since all the cable providers are encrypting even basic cable for whatever reason... |
| [06:47:00] | mchou: | guestish: where you live? |
| [06:47:00] | guestish: | my bttv card currently works w/ my cable box, so you are saying the hd3k wont? |
| [06:47:00] | guestish: | mchou: california, i have comcast |
| [06:47:00] | guestish: | USA |
| [06:47:00] | MonMotha: | it'll work, but the same way as your bttv |
| [06:47:00] | mchou: | guestish: where in CA? |
| [06:47:00] | guestish: | north bay |
| [06:47:00] | guestish: | by san fran |
| [06:47:00] | MonMotha: | just capturing SD analog and encoding in software |
| [06:48:00] | MonMotha: | it probably won't even look as good |
| [06:48:00] | mchou: | guestish: I'm in cupertino |
| [06:48:00] | guestish: | so you are saying stick w/ SD? |
| [06:48:00] | guestish: | mchou: not that far away...cool |
| [06:48:00] | mchou: | no |
| [06:48:00] | mchou: | we saying get an antenna :) |
| [06:48:00] | MonMotha: | guestish: I'm not saying stick with SD; I'm saying that a pcHDTV card is worthless to you |
| [06:48:00] | guestish: | i have no sense of geography.. |
| [06:48:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, I just use an antenna |
| [06:48:00] | guestish: | tried that, i get no reception |
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| [06:49:00] | guestish: | its why i got cable |
| [06:49:00] | MonMotha: | well, have fun :) |
| [06:49:00] | mchou: | and if you still want channels antenna cant provide, use pvr150. |
| [06:49:00] | guestish: | cause pcHDTV cant decode the high def i get? |
| [06:49:00] | MonMotha: | get a dish and enjoy all 5 of the crummy free to air DVB-S channels in the USA :) |
| [06:49:00] | guestish: | that sucks |
| [06:49:00] | guestish: | lol |
| [06:49:00] | mchou: | guestish: which is why I asked you where you lived. |
| [06:49:00] | MonMotha: | it can decode the signal, but it'll still be encrypted |
| [06:49:00] | guestish: | which wont help at all |
| [06:49:00] | guestish: | im gonna be feeding it the decoded signal from the cable box |
| [06:49:00] | MonMotha: | exactly |
| [06:50:00] | guestish: | that make a difference? |
| [06:50:00] | mchou: | so stop being coy and tell us your location. |
| [06:50:00] | kormoc: | anyone know which table is the recording schedules? |
| [06:50:00] | MonMotha: | which it will happily capture in standard def |
| [06:50:00] | guestish: | even if its a high def cable box? |
| [06:50:00] | MonMotha: | guestish: correct |
| [06:50:00] | guestish: | im currently watching high def on my tv from the box you know |
| [06:50:00] | MonMotha: | the analog inputs on the hd3k are SD only |
| [06:50:00] | guestish: | ohh |
| [06:50:00] | guestish: | ok |
| [06:50:00] | mchou: | bah, record with firewire :) |
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| [06:50:00] | MonMotha: | mostly because your PC isn't fast enough to encode HD to anything and HD hardware MPEG encoders are crazy expensive |
| [06:50:00] | mchou: | cheaper. |
| [06:50:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: if they don't downres that... |
| [06:51:00] | MonMotha: | many cable companies downres their IEEE1394 outputs, or encrypt them |
| [06:51:00] | mchou: | so what if it's downresed? |
| [06:51:00] | MonMotha: | or just flat out disable them |
| [06:51:00] | mchou: | still better than bttv. |
| [06:51:00] | MonMotha: | true |
| [06:51:00] | guestish: | so get the PVR-150? |
| [06:51:00] | MonMotha: | defeats the purpose of HD though |
| [06:51:00] | benklop: | hello everyone |
| [06:51:00] | guestish: | i get 60 channels unencrypted, the rest are through the cable box |
| [06:52:00] | mchou: | guestish: why dont you tell me where you live. |
| [06:52:00] | guestish: | mchou: rohnert park |
| [06:52:00] | guestish: | any reason why? |
| [06:52:00] | mchou: | heh, used to live in petaluma myself. |
| [06:52:00] | MonMotha: | I should hook my tuner up to my cable and see what's in the clear |
| [06:52:00] | mchou: | antenna reception |
| [06:52:00] | guestish: | now that is close :) |
| [06:53:00] | MonMotha: | I know there's QAM there |
| [06:53:00] | benklop: | i am having either an encode or playback issue where mpeg4 encoded shows play back choppy, at twice the speed or somtyhing close to that, audio skips parts trying to keep up |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | guestish: tou live on a hill orin a valley? |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | you* |
| [06:53:00] | benklop: | i have a feeling its a playback issue |
| [06:53:00] | guestish: | nope |
| [06:54:00] | guestish: | i live at sea level on the flatest land you'd ever think of |
| [06:54:00] | mchou: | wow, no antenna for you then. SOL :) |
| [06:54:00] | guestish: | heh |
| [06:54:00] | guestish: | yuppers |
| [06:54:00] | guestish: | i used to live on a small hill, and there i got reception |
| [06:55:00] | mchou: | You need line of site to sutro. |
| [06:55:00] | guestish: | but no more.. |
| [06:55:00] | guestish: | sutro? |
| [06:55:00] | mchou: | sight* |
| [06:55:00] | benklop: | anybody have any hints to my problem? |
| [06:55:00] | mchou: | sutro towers |
| [06:55:00] | guestish: | you get any reception in cupertino? |
| [06:55:00] | mchou: | I get nice reception in cupertino. |
| [06:55:00] | benklop: | sorry 4 inturrupting |
| [06:56:00] | mchou: | guestish: man, you really need to travel. You dont know where sutro is? |
| [06:56:00] | guestish: | not a clue |
| [06:56:00] | mchou: | it's less than 45 m. away from your place. |
| [06:56:00] | guestish: | heh |
| [06:56:00] | guestish: | whats there? |
| [06:57:00] | mchou: | it's the highest place in San Fran. |
| [06:57:00] | mchou: | wonderful view. |
| [06:57:00] | mchou: | you live too sheltered a life if you dont know where sutro is. |
| [06:57:00] | guestish: | heh |
| [06:57:00] | guestish: | i dont go to san fran often |
| [06:57:00] | mchou: | stop tending to those hogs on the farm :) |
| [06:58:00] | guestish: | but they're my best friends! ;) |
| [06:58:00] | mchou: | they can take care of themselves :) |
| [06:58:00] | guestish: | im sure |
| [06:59:00] | guestish: | whats there anyway? |
| [06:59:00] | mchou: | tv towers |
| [07:00:00] | guestish: | national stations? |
| [07:00:00] | guestish: | ah yes...tv towers...my life is very sheltered cause i dont know about some tv towers... =P |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | guestish: sigh.....[21:56:59] <mchou> it's the highest place in San Fran. |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | it's not what's there that matters. It's what you can see from there. |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | you really got to stop tending to those pigs. |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | That's like asking what's on k4. |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | there aint nothing on K4 except the view. |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | this ought to give you some perspective: http://www.jimprice.com/sutro/ |
| [07:07:00] | Atamido: | You are going to climb a tower? |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | there is no need to climb it. |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | the towere is situated on the highest point in San Fran. |
| [07:09:00] | mchou: | you see plenty just by being on the hill. |
| [07:09:00] | Atamido: | I feel like this is going somewhere. |
| [07:09:00] | Atamido: | Couldn't you see more from the tower? |
| [07:10:00] | mchou: | take a look here: bad pic, but you get the jist: http://www.goop.org/~jeremy/gallery/1999/sutr . . . cloud-6.html |
| [07:13:00] | guestish: | hum.. |
| [07:13:00] | guestish: | i dont really care much about high places |
| [07:13:00] | guestish: | i live here, i see the view plenty |
| [07:13:00] | guestish: | :) |
| [07:14:00] | guestish: | that does look familar |
| [07:15:00] | guestish: | i wonder if there are any channels on that hill other than home shopping networks |
| [07:15:00] | mchou: | here is one at night: http://photos1.blogger.com/img/2/1474/320/twin peaks.jpg |
| [07:16:00] | guestish: | purdy |
| [07:16:00] | Atamido: | They need a higher res camera. |
| [07:16:00] | guestish: | high def! :) |
| [07:17:00] | guestish: | 720p! |
| [07:17:00] | guestish: | 1080i! |
| [07:17:00] | mchou: | bah, that's on some blog. Feel lucky you got that :) |
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| [07:17:00] | guestish: | lol |
| [07:17:00] | mchou: | http://supermattalica.blogspot.com/2005_01_01 . . . archive.html |
| [07:19:00] | mchou: | http://www.sftravel.com/twinpeakssanfranciscopictures.html |
| [07:21:00] | Atamido: | http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.798548,-122 . . . =k&hl=en |
| [07:23:00] | guestish: | well im off |
| [07:23:00] | guestish: | g'night all |
| [07:23:00] | guestish: | thx for the help deciding on a capture card |
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| [07:24:00] | mchou: | sigh. some ppl. |
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| [07:24:00] | mchou: | dont even know the most scenic places right next to them. |
| [07:27:00] | mchou: | crap. Do I really want to attend the amd tech tour? |
| [07:32:00] | Agrajag-: | well this sucks.. i got a new video card, 90% for tv out, which it does fine.. but i figured i could do dual monitors too because of dvi |
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| [07:32:00] | Agrajag-: | but the stupid dvi thing only does digital, can't convert it to analogue or something |
| [07:32:00] | Agrajag-: | they dont say this on the box |
| [07:32:00] | Agrajag-: | oh well |
| [07:32:00] | benklop: | Agrajag-: usually there are little converters you can get... |
| [07:33:00] | benklop: | one came with my card |
| [07:33:00] | benklop: | btw, do you hate arthur dent? |
| [07:34:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah. |
| [07:34:00] | Agrajag-: | anyway |
| [07:34:00] | Agrajag-: | this dvi is different apparently |
| [07:34:00] | benklop: | thats odd |
| [07:35:00] | mchou: | what make card is this? |
| [07:35:00] | Agrajag-: | leadtek i tihnk |
| [07:35:00] | MonMotha: | oh, it's DVI-D, not DVI-I |
| [07:35:00] | Agrajag-: | gf fx5200 |
| [07:35:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah that's it |
| [07:36:00] | mchou: | heh, DVI-D :) |
| [07:36:00] | Agrajag-: | so unless i go buy a digital monitor... |
| [07:36:00] | mchou: | exactly! |
| [07:36:00] | mchou: | be on the upgrade treadmill! |
| [07:36:00] | mchou: | :) |
| [07:36:00] | Agrajag-: | heh. i got a 250gb drive while i was at it already |
| [07:37:00] | Agrajag-: | and i can't really justify a new monitor |
| [07:37:00] | benklop: | shrug i have noticed exactly zero quality difference between dvi and vga on my flatpanel |
| [07:37:00] | Agrajag-: | just thought it'd be nice to have |
| [07:37:00] | Agrajag-: | benklop: yeah but the point is with dvi-d you can't use those converters |
| [07:37:00] | mchou: | I waiting for a good deal on >300GB HDD. |
| [07:37:00] | MonMotha: | normally they put DVI-I on those things... |
| [07:38:00] | mchou: | weird. |
| [07:38:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah.. 250gb seems to be best value per gig atm |
| [07:38:00] | MonMotha: | benklop: there's a HUGE difference between analog and DVI on my LCD, but I have an older LCD and an older video card |
| [07:38:00] | mchou: | wonder why leadtek did that |
| [07:38:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah, so i didn't even bother to check |
| [07:38:00] | Agrajag-: | piss annoying |
| [07:38:00] | MonMotha: | apparently they've gotten much better with doing the whole D->A->D thing |
| [07:38:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: saves the price of a D/A converter |
| [07:38:00] | mchou: | bah! |
| [07:39:00] | MonMotha: | YOU WANT SOME OUTRIGHT SEX – DON'T YOU? |
| [07:39:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah this card (fx5200) was only AU$60 |
| [07:39:00] | benklop: | hey, i have a question if anyone wants to try.. |
| [07:39:00] | mchou: | and now Agrajag- is going to return the card. |
| [07:39:00] | Agrajag-: | i thikn for an extra $5 i could've got the gigabyte which i mpretty sure has dvi-i |
| [07:39:00] | Agrajag-: | nah can't be bothered :P |
| [07:39:00] | MonMotha: | oh sorry, pasted the subject of my latest email by accident... |
| [07:39:00] | benklop: | my video is playing at about 2x speed for not good reason |
| [07:39:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: haha! |
| [07:40:00] | benklop: | cpu usage is almost nothing t the moment |
| [07:40:00] | MonMotha: | benklop: hit start, spin the turntable two places, then hit a white key a couple times. That'll take it off Hi-Speed 2 |
| [07:41:00] | benklop: | i see. since i have a record player and both a black and white keyboard, i can try that |
| [07:41:00] | benklop: | but which white key |
| [07:41:00] | benklop: | :-P |
| [07:42:00] | benklop: | but seriously, 2x is just a gues, its more like its skipping massive numbers of frames, and the audio chops and skips top try to keep up |
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| [07:43:00] | MonMotha: | good that nobody caught that game reference |
| [07:43:00] | benklop: | lol |
| [07:44:00] | benklop: | has anybody had this happen before? |
| [07:44:00] | benklop: | it isnt constantly a problem, but seems to only occur when i record in mpeg4 |
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| [07:45:00] | MonMotha: | (the game is beatmania, for those who aren't music game obsessed btw) |
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| [07:54:00] | MonMotha: | ok, I've got it to where ivtvctl claims to be able to tune the card, but all I get is a blank screen and no audio |
| [07:54:00] | MonMotha: | I know capture works because I can pull stuff off svideo and it looks great |
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| [08:04:00] | adante: | MonMotha: bemani represent, ddr here :] |
| [08:05:00] | MonMotha: | adante: I play DDR, though I'm REALLY big into Pop'n Music right now |
| [08:05:00] | MonMotha: | I'm so-so at IIDX (ok, not very good). I acn do about a 28–33 on Pop'n (and a 35: Daikenkai) |
| [08:10:00] | adante: | alas not many (any) pop n music places around where i am |
| [08:11:00] | adante: | a few iidx's around but most arcades have ddr machines for stock novelty value |
| [08:11:00] | MonMotha: | adante: the nearest machine to me is over 4 hours away and is an Animelo 2 |
| [08:11:00] | adante: | ouch |
| [08:12:00] | MonMotha: | I have a Ransai controller |
| [08:12:00] | MonMotha: | and all the PS2 CS mixes |
| [08:12:00] | MonMotha: | styles, versions,; whatever they're called on pop'n |
| [08:12:00] | MonMotha: | (they're just numbered) |
| [08:15:00] | adante: | oho, you do like your pop'n music |
| [08:16:00] | MonMotha: | adante: yes |
| [08:16:00] | MonMotha: | you don't happen to have much ivtv experience? |
| [08:18:00] | adante: | none at all i'm afraid |
| [08:18:00] | MonMotha: | damn |
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| [08:27:00] | buffal1: | yo mth tv can run on debian right i know its a neewb question but i dont feel like googling the crap out of the web till for in the morning |
| [08:27:00] | Agrajag-: | no it can't. runs on everything except debian. |
| [08:27:00] | buffal1: | lol |
| [08:27:00] | buffal1: | jk ? |
| [08:27:00] | Agrajag-: | there's special code in myth to detect a debian system |
| [08:28:00] | Agrajag-: | bit of a stupid question.. of course it "runs" on debian |
| [08:28:00] | buffal1: | oh yeah i heard abuot that its the F U- code right? |
| [08:28:00] | buffal1: | hehe |
| [08:29:00] | buffal1: | yeah i know im sooo kewl |
| [08:30:00] | buffal1: | well duh theres all sorts of distros i did not know if myth was an app or integated in to compatable kernals |
| [08:30:00] | buffal1: | or what eva |
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| [08:31:00] | Agrajag-: | lol yeah myth is part of the kernel |
| [08:31:00] | Agrajag-: | haha.. nah anyway it works on debian just fine |
| [08:32:00] | buffal1: | idk a kernal patcher to integrate right in to the os |
| [08:32:00] | buffal1: | i mean wtf i just wana get off xp |
| [08:34:00] | buffal1: | i end up reformating once a month with up to date anti spyware, firewalls hard and soft, xp updates two virus scaners jeez lol |
| [08:34:00] | kikisli: | you should try debian |
| [08:34:00] | kikisli: | get pissed off at the old packages |
| [08:35:00] | kikisli: | try gentoo, get pissed off at the loss of a build environment every few months |
| [08:35:00] | kikisli: | try redhat, get pissed off at rpm hell |
| [08:35:00] | kikisli: | i dunno where to go from there |
| [08:35:00] | Agrajag-: | ... i've been using debian for ages. it's great |
| [08:35:00] | kikisli: | mac osx? |
| [08:35:00] | buffal1: | wtf should i use mr pissy |
| [08:36:00] | Agrajag-: | just use debian he doesn't know what he's talking about |
| [08:36:00] | kikisli: | mr pissy? never heard of that one |
| [08:36:00] | kikisli: | mr pussylix? |
| [08:36:00] | buffal1: | mac f that macs suck harder that b microshart xp |
| [08:37:00] | kikisli: | eh? |
| [08:37:00] | buffal1: | rather be mr pussylix than mr suckdix |
| [08:37:00] | kikisli: | pussylix kinda sounds like it could mean linux |
| [08:39:00] | buffal1: | hey since this chan is logged id like to know whare to download illeagal pirated copyright infringing software games movies and music |
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| [08:39:00] | buffal1: | ? |
| [08:40:00] | buffal1: | why would i want to use awsome freeware when i could use subpar progies and pay for them |
| [08:40:00] | kikisli: | read topic again |
| [08:40:00] | Netslayer: | I have an odd problem. I have a show on channel record. Over the past year it has recorded eps and done correct duplicate checking. Recently they had a marathon so I flipped it to duplicate check on current recordings only so they all got rerecorded. Now when i flip it back to previous recordings, or even just record new recordings it still wants to record everything! |
| [08:41:00] | buffal1: | sounds like a problem for some one whos knows what thier talking about |
| [08:41:00] | buffal1: | I.E not me |
| [08:42:00] | buffal1: | :) |
| [08:43:00] | Netslayer: | I can go onto the recording coming up and go never record and it still stays scheduled to record |
| [08:43:00] | MonMotha: | have you tried deleteing the recording job and re-adding it |
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| [08:44:00] | Netslayer: | MonMotha, good idea |
| [08:45:00] | Netslayer: | MonMotha, what's the official way of removing a schedule? setting it to not record? |
| [08:45:00] | Netslayer: | i've never actually removed a schedule before..yikes..usually my shows are discontinued or just keep airing and i watch them |
| [08:46:00] | MonMotha: | go into recording priorities, hit enter on it, and set to "Do not record" |
| [08:50:00] | Netslayer: | oh that's not good it froze mythfrontend doing that |
| [08:53:00] | MonMotha: | I think something is messed up |
| [08:56:00] | Netslayer: | MonMotha, I think that did it thx |
| [08:56:00] | Netslayer: | MonMotha, it was just slow |
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| [09:20:00] | buffal1: | myth looks so freekin kool |
| [09:24:00] | buffal1: | can myth encode to DV |
| [09:24:00] | buffal1: | for hdtv backups |
| [09:26:00] | buffal1: | ? |
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| [10:00:00] | smoke_: | mythtv use ttf fonts? |
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| [10:35:00] | tenletSlack10: | anyone alive? |
| [10:38:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | ping |
| [10:38:00] | tenletSlack10: | hey |
| [10:39:00] | tenletSlack10: | is mythTV good on slack? |
| [10:40:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | unfortunately, I can't shed any light on that one |
| [10:40:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | I'm running it on FC3 |
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| [10:41:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | in general, though it's pretty awesome |
| [10:41:00] | tenletSlack10: | hmm |
| [10:41:00] | tenletSlack10: | well |
| [10:44:00] | buffal1: | yo can myth recored to dv? |
| [10:44:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | dv? Digital video tape or did you mean DVD? |
| [10:44:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | directly, it does neither |
| [10:45:00] | buffal1: | idk not dvd i mean lossless |
| [10:45:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | you can export the recorded .nuv video files to more transportable formats using some 3rd party tools. |
| [10:45:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | no, I don't think there is any mythtv component that will record in dv format instead of .nuv files. |
| [10:45:00] | MonMotha: | ok, I've got my PVR-150 set up almost. I can capture just dandy via the composite and s-video inputs, but setting the card to use either of the tuner inputs gives me nothing but a black screen and silence. It claims to be tuning and it sees a type 50 tuner |
| [10:46:00] | buffal1: | is nuv lossless |
| [10:46:00] | MonMotha: | oh hell no |
| [10:46:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | Might be worth asking on the mailing list or here where more people are awake, though |
| [10:46:00] | MonMotha: | it's an encapsulation of mpeg4 or mpeg2, or sometimes mjpeg |
| [10:47:00] | MonMotha: | lossless video compression with any decent actual compression taking place is a pretty processor hungry task (as if MPEG isn't), and you'd still end up with HUGE files |
| [10:47:00] | buffal1: | can i record to a diff formate for hdtv say huffyuv |
| [10:47:00] | MonMotha: | besides, there's so much noise on your inputs that it doesn't matter |
| [10:47:00] | tenletSlack10: | anyone using slack |
| [10:47:00] | MonMotha: | what are you planning on tuning HDTV with? All of the ones that I know of just stream the MPEG2 PS that you get off the air right onto the hdd |
| [10:48:00] | MonMotha: | it's already been lossily compressed, but it's not getting compressed any more, so it's lossless in that regard, I guess |
| [10:49:00] | buffal1: | weel all i know is i want lossless frames to transcode to xvid a dvd from hd no mpeg to xvid |
| [10:49:00] | buffal1: | *xvid and dvd |
| [10:50:00] | buffal1: | like isnt huffyuv suposedly lossless |
| [10:52:00] | MonMotha: | ok, you're not going to do that |
| [10:52:00] | MonMotha: | what capture device ar eyou planning on using? |
| [10:52:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | I think the best you can get with myth (and an input card, not sure about the 1394 input stuff) is to capture MPEG-2 at the highest quality settings and then tanscode it to a dvd-compatible format |
| [10:52:00] | MonMotha: | if it's an analog source, there will be so much noise, that your "lossless" compression is pointless |
| [10:53:00] | MonMotha: | if it's digital, it's coming to you "lossily" compressed already, as a high bitrate MPEG2 |
| [10:53:00] | buffal1: | idk right now just not a hardware encoder probly |
| [10:53:00] | MonMotha: | you need to get "lossless" out of your head |
| [10:54:00] | MonMotha: | any hdtv you're going to get into your PC is going to be MPEG2 already |
| [10:54:00] | buffal1: | well im talking hdtv trough digital cable or |
| [10:54:00] | MonMotha: | good luck |
| [10:54:00] | MonMotha: | it will be MPEG2 anyway |
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| [10:54:00] | MonMotha: | most digital cable providers are encrypting their cable, and downresing the IEEE1394 outputs on their cable boxes |
| [10:54:00] | MonMotha: | so it won't be HD |
| [10:54:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | yep |
| [10:55:00] | buffal1: | yeah mpeg 2 already wich is why i dont want to lose any more qality re encoding and re encoding |
| [10:56:00] | buffal1: | what do you mean encrypting |
| [10:56:00] | MonMotha: | if you're capturing a digital source, you will be putting the soruce as it is given to you on your HD |
| [10:56:00] | MonMotha: | no reencoding |
| [10:56:00] | MonMotha: | so it'll be the EXACT same thing the broadcaster or cable provider was sending down the pipe |
| [10:56:00] | buffal1: | oh no shiz |
| [10:56:00] | MonMotha: | and most cable providers encrypt their digital cable, at least everything but the local broadcast stations (which you can get in better quality with a pair of rabbit ears anyway) |
| [10:57:00] | buffal1: | i mostly want small ville and simpsons |
| [10:58:00] | MonMotha: | oh, those are network shows |
| [10:58:00] | buffal1: | yep |
| [10:58:00] | MonMotha: | get an HD tuner and a good antenna |
| [10:58:00] | MonMotha: | no need for cable |
| [10:58:00] | MonMotha: | I will warn you that getting HD working is a pain if you don't know what you're doing |
| [10:58:00] | buffal1: | so excited |
| [10:58:00] | MonMotha: | it's also kinda expensive |
| [10:58:00] | buffal1: | how? |
| [10:58:00] | MonMotha: | HD tuners are about $250 |
| [10:58:00] | buffal1: | nah |
| [10:58:00] | MonMotha: | maybe $200 |
| [10:59:00] | MonMotha: | depends |
| [10:59:00] | MonMotha: | I don't know what the pcHDTV is going for these days |
| [10:59:00] | MonMotha: | I know they dropped the price some |
| [10:59:00] | MonMotha: | $170 |
| [10:59:00] | buffal1: | pcHDTV ? |
| [10:59:00] | MonMotha: | used to be more like $200 |
| [10:59:00] | buffal1: | yeah 170 is ok |
| [10:59:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, you have two choices for HD int he US: Air2PC or pcHDTV |
| [11:00:00] | buffal1: | whats the diff |
| [11:00:00] | MonMotha: | they're two different products |
| [11:00:00] | MonMotha: | same functionality, basically |
| [11:00:00] | buffal1: | im so happy brodcast flaging got shutdown |
| [11:00:00] | MonMotha: | the Air2PC has a newer receiver, but the pcHDTV is officially supported in Linux (only, in fact) |
| [11:02:00] | buffal1: | so when i recive the hdtv stream its not soring it in mpeg 2 its copying the stream bit for bit? |
| [11:02:00] | MonMotha: | the incoming stream *is* MPEG2 |
| [11:02:00] | MonMotha: | that's how HDTV is broadcast in the USA (and how it's sent on digital cable) |
| [11:02:00] | MonMotha: | also how it's done in europe |
| [11:03:00] | buffal1: | yes but does the stream get copyed bit for bit or am i re packing it in to a new mpeg2 container |
| [11:04:00] | MonMotha: | it gets copied bit for bit |
| [11:04:00] | buffal1: | because that would be lossy |
| [11:04:00] | MonMotha: | not always |
| [11:04:00] | buffal1: | are you sure |
| [11:04:00] | MonMotha: | it "recontainers" it |
| [11:04:00] | MonMotha: | but it does not reencode anything |
| [11:04:00] | MonMotha: | it just messes with headers, basically |
| [11:04:00] | MonMotha: | the incoming signal has multiple channels multiplexed together, the extra stuff is removed leaving you with just what you asked for |
| [11:05:00] | buffal1: | ahh? |
| [11:05:00] | buffal1: | oic |
| [11:05:00] | MonMotha: | the video itself (and audio, for that matter) is identical to what is on the airwaves |
| [11:05:00] | buffal1: | man thanks for being so patient |
| [11:05:00] | MonMotha: | besides, if it's hi-def and you're putting it on a DVD, you're losing so much resolution that it wouldn't matter if you compressed the hell out of it |
| [11:06:00] | buffal1: | no i just want to re encode to like 5000Kbs xvid |
| [11:06:00] | buffal1: | frikin nice qality |
| [11:07:00] | buffal1: | like 2gig eps |
| [11:07:00] | buffal1: | lol |
| [11:07:00] | MonMotha: | that's about what it comes in at, for a half hour show |
| [11:07:00] | MonMotha: | roughly 4GB/hr is what the local stations to me run on their main HD channel |
| [11:08:00] | buffal1: | oh so the hd video is only like 2 gigs with comercials |
| [11:08:00] | MonMotha: | for a half hour, yeah |
| [11:08:00] | MonMotha: | maybe 2.5 |
| [11:08:00] | MonMotha: | you can cut the commercials out without reencoding as long as you do it on a keyframe |
| [11:08:00] | MonMotha: | should easily get it below 2GB |
| [11:08:00] | buffal1: | i have a 8 terabyte server so im good |
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| [11:09:00] | buffal1: | no im lying |
| [11:09:00] | buffal1: | but it would be sweet |
| [11:09:00] | buffal1: | brb |
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| [11:25:00] | buffal1: | so whit out compression the hdtv recorded haf hour broadcast is below 2 gigs |
| [11:28:00] | MonMotha: | that's how it comes compressed |
| [11:29:00] | MonMotha: | HD content comes compressed |
| [11:29:00] | MonMotha: | you can't get it any other way |
| [11:29:00] | MonMotha: | without REcompressing it, it's about 4GB/hr |
| [11:29:00] | MonMotha: | at least around here |
| [11:29:00] | MonMotha: | some stations want to cram in more subchannels, so they run their HD channel lower |
| [11:31:00] | buffal1: | subchannels, so they run their HD channel lower SUBCHANNLES? lower? |
| [11:31:00] | Agrajag-: | lower bitrate |
| [11:31:00] | MonMotha: | you REALLY need to go read up on how digital TV works before you attempt this |
| [11:32:00] | buffal1: | [3:36] <buffal1> mac f that macs suck harder that b microshart xp |
| [11:32:00] | buffal1: | [3:37] <kikisli> eh? |
| [11:32:00] | buffal1: | [3:37] <buffal1> rather be mr pussylix than mr suckdix |
| [11:32:00] | buffal1: | [3:37] <kikisli> pussylix kinda sounds like it could mean linux |
| [11:32:00] | buffal1: | [3:39] <buffal1> hey since this chan is logged id like to know whare to download illeagal pirated copyright infringing software games movies and music |
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| [11:32:00] | buffal1: | [3:39] <buffal1> ? |
| [11:33:00] | buffal1: | [3:40] <buffal1> why would i want to use awsome freeware when i could use subpar progies and pay for them |
| [11:33:00] | buffal1: | [3:40] <kikisli> read topic again |
| [11:33:00] | MonMotha: | wow, nice paste |
| [11:33:00] | buffal1: | se my thing about copyright infringing |
| [11:34:00] | buffal1: | thnx |
| [11:34:00] | buffal1: | [3:39] <buffal1> hey since this chan is logged id like to know whare to download illeagal pirated copyright infringing software games movies and music |
| [11:34:00] | Agrajag-: | buffal1: what the hell are you on about? |
| [11:35:00] | buffal1: | i thought it was funny |
| [11:35:00] | MonMotha: | I thought it was stupid |
| [11:35:00] | Agrajag-: | as did i |
| [11:35:00] | MonMotha: | bah, ivtv is getting very annoying |
| [11:35:00] | MonMotha: | It's so close to working |
| [11:35:00] | MonMotha: | the "tough stuff" works |
| [11:35:00] | MonMotha: | the part that doesn't work might as well be a fscking bttv POS |
| [11:36:00] | Agrajag-: | heh |
| [11:36:00] | buffal1: | hmm... whell most ppl dont get my humor but thats ok |
| [11:37:00] | buffal1: | hey whats pdtv? |
| [11:37:00] | MonMotha: | pdtv? hell if I know...google it |
| [11:37:00] | buffal1: | PAL DEFINENITION TV |
| [11:38:00] | buffal1: | American.Dad.S01E07.PDTV.XviD-LOL.avi |
| [11:38:00] | MonMotha: | PAL is not a "definition" |
| [11:38:00] | MonMotha: | PAL is the european standard for analog TV |
| [11:38:00] | MonMotha: | and of course, a lot of the stuff from PAL persisted into the european DVB digital TV standards |
| [11:39:00] | MonMotha: | if you're in north america, you're in NTSC land |
| [11:39:00] | MonMotha: | you know, Never Twice the Same Color? |
| [11:39:00] | buffal1: | yeah so why woul they not shorten PAL HDTV TO PDTV |
| [11:39:00] | MonMotha: | because they never say that |
| [11:39:00] | MonMotha: | do you say "NTSC HDTV" and propose shortening it to "NDTV"? |
| [11:39:00] | buffal1: | smallville.s04e21.hdtv.xvid-lol.avi |
| [11:40:00] | buffal1: | no but you know those retarded euro pimps |
| [11:40:00] | MonMotha: | dude, lots of idiots name their crappy rips bad things |
| [11:40:00] | buffal1: | lol |
| [11:40:00] | MonMotha: | I've never, ever seen the term "PDTV" get used |
| [11:40:00] | buffal1: | crappy |
| [11:40:00] | MonMotha: | "PAL Definition" is not an accurate term for anything |
| [11:41:00] | buffal1: | its alll over every thing search a torrent sight for a tv rip and youll see it one million times |
| [11:42:00] | buffal1: | no i understand PAL is not a definition |
| [11:42:00] | MonMotha: | ok, maybe I just don't go looking for enough illegal stuff |
| [11:42:00] | buffal1: | i ripp tons of video i very formilliar with pal and ntsc |
| [11:43:00] | buffal1: | man i cant type to save my life |
| [11:43:00] | MonMotha: | http://www.answers.com/topic/pdtv |
| [11:43:00] | MonMotha: | great job looking that one up |
| [11:43:00] | MonMotha: | that's like the 3rd hit on google, idiot |
| [11:43:00] | buffal1: | so i dont care as mutch as you apparently do |
| [11:44:00] | MonMotha: | you're the one who asked me the question |
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| [11:44:00] | buffal1: | |
| [11:44:00] | buffal1: | |
| [11:44:00] | buffal1: | 1. Which one of the five choices makes the best comparison? LIVED is to DEVIL as 6323 is to: 2336 6232 3236 3326 6332 |
| [11:45:00] | buffal1: | i ask to spak convesation not get you pissed |
| [11:46:00] | buffal1: | so do you record in HD?\ |
| [11:46:00] | mac|gyver: | can mythtv do client-server? I want to transfer tv using wlan. And also will a P3 500 be able to encode PAL quality? |
| [11:46:00] | MonMotha: | whenever possible, of course |
| [11:46:00] | MonMotha: | mac|gyver: yes, ok (keep the bitrate reasonable), probably not |
| [11:47:00] | mac|gyver: | hmm ok, and how about an 800MHz? |
| [11:48:00] | MonMotha: | mac|gyver: my 1GHz P3 could barely handle doing SD NTSC in software, and PAL, with higher resolution might be a bit tought (though the lower framerate may balance it out) |
| [11:48:00] | MonMotha: | unless you hav a hardware encoder (like the WinTV PVR series) |
| [11:48:00] | mac|gyver: | ouch :) |
| [11:50:00] | mac|gyver: | the first yes, that's a yes only with reasonable encoding isn't it? |
| [11:51:00] | MonMotha: | the backend has to do the encoding work, the frontend has to be able to decode |
| [11:52:00] | MonMotha: | my 1GHz P3 was only fast enough because it was a dedicated backend, no frontend decoding required fromt hat machine |
| [11:53:00] | mac|gyver: | I don't mind having a dedicated backend, but I hate to let my desktop do that :( |
| [11:53:00] | buffal1: | i have a AMD64 3400+ 1gig ram ASUS A8V deluxe nvida 6600 gt |
| [11:54:00] | buffal1: | man my nvida was a waste of mony i play no games |
| [11:54:00] | MonMotha: | buffal1: and that has to do exactly what with the question at hand? |
| [11:54:00] | mac|gyver: | yeah I have that one too, but I like to work on that one :) |
| [11:54:00] | mac|gyver: | it can handle tv encoding with ease :) |
| [11:54:00] | buffal1: | just i built a realy pimp rig and am proud of it |
| [11:55:00] | buffal1: | :( |
| [11:56:00] | buffal1: | :'(every body hates me cause i suck:( |
| [11:56:00] | mac|gyver: | one more thing, am I free too choose the encoding? |
| [11:57:00] | buffal1: | yo so MonMotha have yu recorded any HDTV? |
| [11:58:00] | MonMotha: | buffal1: yes, tons |
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| [11:58:00] | MonMotha: | mac|gyver: you can define things like capture codec (MPEG4 or MJPEG for software encoding) and bitrate |
| [11:58:00] | MonMotha: | oh, and capture resolution |
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| [11:58:00] | mac|gyver: | ok |
| [11:58:00] | MonMotha: | I had to downres my inputs for the 1GHz to handle it |
| [11:58:00] | MonMotha: | I was capturing 544x480 I believe |
| [11:59:00] | buffal1: | MonMotha could you send me a sample of video so i could see the type of quality your getting |
| [12:00:00] | buffal1: | wait i am using gaim i dont know if i can dcc send or recive using this |
| [12:00:00] | MonMotha: | buffal1: no, it's fscking huge |
| [12:00:00] | MonMotha: | that and it's a nuv file, which does you almost no good |
| [12:00:00] | MonMotha: | at least not without mythtv |
| [12:00:00] | MonMotha: | it looks exactly like it is broadcast |
| [12:00:00] | MonMotha: | most of what I have is actually upconverted by the broadcaster, though I have some stuff from PBS that is actualy 720p |
| [12:01:00] | buffal1: | no like a trancoded xvid clip |
| [12:01:00] | buffal1: | what shows you watch |
| [12:01:00] | buffal1: | *record |
| [12:02:00] | MonMotha: | no, because it would take me a good hour or two to reencode it to xvid at hidef |
| [12:02:00] | MonMotha: | and I need to get to bed |
| [12:02:00] | buffal1: | cuase ill mostly encode to xvid a transcoded clip would suit me just fine |
| [12:03:00] | MonMotha: | the only thing I have right now in hidef is actually a documentary on digital TV from PBS that I recorded to show it off to someone |
| [12:03:00] | buffal1: | no not an episode like a tow min clip |
| [12:03:00] | MonMotha: | a two minute clip would take me like 30 minutes to encode |
| [12:03:00] | MonMotha: | and make it look decent |
| [12:03:00] | buffal1: | lol |
| [12:03:00] | buffal1: | nm then |
| [12:03:00] | MonMotha: | and it would still be a hundred meg or so |
| [12:03:00] | buffal1: | lol |
| [12:03:00] | MonMotha: | well, it's 1280x720 progressive |
| [12:03:00] | MonMotha: | there's a LOT of data there |
| [12:04:00] | buffal1: | whell i got some smallville 350+ meg for a 22 min ep decent |
| [12:05:00] | MonMotha: | it's probably 480i |
| [12:05:00] | MonMotha: | 720x480 interlaced |
| [12:05:00] | MonMotha: | there's a lot less data there than 1280x720 progressive |
| [12:06:00] | MonMotha: | it'll look good (DVDs are 480i) |
| [12:06:00] | buffal1: | cha |
| [12:06:00] | MonMotha: | but it's not HD |
| [12:06:00] | buffal1: | well idk |
| [12:06:00] | MonMotha: | now if they managed to cram 22min of 720p into 350MB and not make it look like shit, I'm impressed |
| [12:07:00] | MonMotha: | it's card to cram 22min of 480i into 350MB and have it look OK, but it's certainly doable |
| [12:07:00] | buffal1: | the p stands for pixles right? |
| [12:07:00] | MonMotha: | the p stands for progressive |
| [12:07:00] | buffal1: | oh thanks been wondering that |
| [12:08:00] | buffal1: | progressive is one frame and the another compleatly new fram right? |
| [12:09:00] | MonMotha: | that's a rather rough definition, but yes |
| [12:09:00] | buffal1: | where as interlaced the frames ok i realy got no idea |
| [12:09:00] | buffal1: | is interlaced more simaler to mpeg4? |
| [12:10:00] | buffal1: | like key frames and i frames |
| [12:10:00] | MonMotha: | no |
| [12:10:00] | MonMotha: | ask google |
| [12:10:00] | MonMotha: | I'm sure you'll get a much better description than I can cook up in 30 seconds |
| [12:11:00] | buffal1: | its been like four years since ive done any major reading so im just tring to catch up |
| [12:11:00] | buffal1: | lol |
| [12:11:00] | buffal1: | my focus has bee on xbox development latly |
| [12:13:00] | buffal1: | a sample vide if you want it |
| [12:13:00] | MonMotha: | I don't |
| [12:13:00] | buffal1: | k |
| [12:13:00] | MonMotha: | my friend has them all anyway. If I wanted smallville, I'd ask for a copy on CD |
| [12:14:00] | buffal1: | best quality i got that i did not encode myself |
| [12:15:00] | buffal1: | no just for smapling purposes you said if it looked decent you would be impressed |
| [12:15:00] | buffal1: | thats why i wanted to send it |
| [12:15:00] | buffal1: | do you like futurama |
| [12:15:00] | buffal1: | ? |
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| [12:18:00] | MonMotha: | I am going to bed |
| [12:22:00] | buffal1: | k bye |
| [12:22:00] | buffal1: | good night thnx for the help |
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| [12:58:00] | Dibblah_: | I think I'm (or rather, my SO is seeing) issues with the newish delete code. The frontend hangs on delete occasionally... Anyone else seeing similar issues? |
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| [13:26:00] | Dibblah_: | Just me, huh? Oh bugger. |
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| [14:41:00] | cinix: | awesome |
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| [15:13:00] | Atamido: | MonMotha: Any decent movie encoded to DVD is going to be 480p. |
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| [15:50:00] | temmihoo: | bleargh, still no PIDS set |
| [15:50:00] | temmihoo: | i'm going to look into the db tables now, what should i expect to find? |
| [15:51:00] | temmihoo: | ok table dvb_pids is totally empty |
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| [16:02:00] | cyberknet: | kormoc: I removed those cards last night. |
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| [16:14:00] | purplefrog: | Anyone remember my "mythtv doesn't plan to record the stuff it should" complaint from yesterday? I solved it by restarting the server. But now it seems to have changed its mind again. |
| [16:15:00] | purplefrog: | Is there anyone clever enough to look into this, or should I just restart the back end again? |
| [16:16:00] | Beirdo: | you are messing with shit. |
| [16:16:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:16:00] | purplefrog: | No, that's my toilet's job. |
| [16:16:00] | Beirdo: | if you are gonna mess with the database, restarting the backend may be necessary |
| [16:16:00] | purplefrog: | Well, mythfilldatabase messes with the database. |
| [16:18:00] | purplefrog: | I really need to find a better way to scan these database tables. |
| [16:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | AND it sends a command to the backend to reread the list |
| [16:18:00] | purplefrog: | AHAH. |
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| [16:18:00] | purplefrog: | now to figure out what that command is. |
| [16:19:00] | purplefrog: | Although, it does seem odd that TOMORROW's shows are afffected, but not the day after tomorrow. |
| [16:19:00] | purplefrog: | goddammit, mythfilldatabase is a binary :( |
| [16:20:00] | Beirdo: | well, duh |
| [16:20:00] | Beirdo: | that's what the output of a compiler usually is :) |
| [16:20:00] | rtsai: | wow, off to a cheerful morning, aren't we all? :) |
| [16:21:00] | purplefrog: | I was hoping it was a script I could read. Is there a web-based CVS browser, or should I just download and unpack the source? |
| [16:21:00] | rtsai: | cvs.mythtv.org, "Browse source" |
| [16:21:00] | purplefrog: | I had a heaping bowl of Bitch Flakes. |
| [16:21:00] | purplefrog: | mythtv started raining on my parade yesterday. I wonder if that was the 14-day anniversary of my upgrade to 0.18. |
| [16:22:00] | jonK: | cvs.mythtv.org |
| [16:22:00] | jonK: | purple, try getting 4 capture cards to play nice |
| [16:22:00] | purplefrog: | I don't even have that many PCI slots :) |
| [16:22:00] | jonK: | ivtv hangs so hard, ihave to turn off the power supply or unplug it |
| [16:22:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:23:00] | Beirdo: | me hands purplefrog a cup of STFU too :) (just kidding) |
| [16:23:00] | jonK: | the reset and power buttons do nothing |
| [16:23:00] | Beirdo: | dammit, missed the / |
| [16:23:00] | purplefrog: | We will imagine that you included the / |
| [16:24:00] | ** rtsai just imagines that beirdo has bad grammar ** | |
| [16:24:00] | jonK: | beirdo, i saw a couple other posts on the issue and the via 8233a southbridge chipset |
| [16:24:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:24:00] | Beirdo: | figures. VIA again |
| [16:24:00] | jonK: | i think I'm goign to try new board |
| [16:24:00] | purplefrog: | So, am I the only java programmer who wishes C++ had refcounted smart pointers on an hourly basis? |
| [16:24:00] | rtsai: | yes, because C++ has it (just not built-in) |
| [16:24:00] | Beirdo: | eww, Java |
| [16:24:00] | Beirdo: | ewww, C++ |
| [16:24:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:25:00] | purplefrog: | C++ has an infinite number of smart pointer implementations. I just wish one of them was part of STL. |
| [16:26:00] | purplefrog: | Am I looking for the ScheduledRecording::signalChange? |
| [16:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | libs/libmythtv/scheduledrecording.cpp |
| [16:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | ScheduledRecording::signalChange() |
| [16:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | has exactly what you are looking for |
| [16:29:00] | purplefrog: | ah, had just given up on poking through the CVS web. |
| [16:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | 10 seconds and grep on the source is all ya need :) |
| [16:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | Of course there might be other connection stuff that needs to be done before sending that. |
| [16:30:00] | purplefrog: | yeah, but I was procrastinating on downloading the source and finding space in which to unpack it. |
| [16:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | can't afford a <100megs of space ? |
| [16:31:00] | purplefrog: | Depends on what day it is. And I had no idea how big the source was. |
| [16:32:00] | Beirdo: | so delete one program. problem solved |
| [16:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:32:00] | purplefrog: | "delete one program" ? remove a row from the "record" table? |
| [16:33:00] | Beirdo: | if you don't have enough space for the source code for MythTV, you don't have enough space to use it |
| [16:33:00] | Beirdo: | NO |
| [16:33:00] | Beirdo: | I mean a recording |
| [16:33:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:33:00] | purplefrog: | Ah, because to me "ls" is a program. |
| [16:33:00] | Beirdo: | you know, those huge files you fill your disk up with? :) |
| [16:33:00] | purplefrog: | That's a different partition :) |
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| [16:35:00] | purplefrog: | The freakiest thing about this malfunction is that I can schedule a recurring recording and then the backend will say "I'm ready to record this", but then when I remove that second recording and I'm back to the original, it will again say "I won't record any of the four on Friday, but I'll record all four on Saturday and so on until the 12th, and then I won't record Wed 13th's 4 episodes." |
| [16:38:00] | rtsai: | so in mythweb "scheduled recordings", what is the reason it provides for not scheduling those recordings? |
| [16:38:00] | purplefrog: | They don't even show up on the list. |
| [16:38:00] | purplefrog: | It's like it's an episode of American Idol, or West Coast Choppers. It's not even on the radar. |
| [16:38:00] | rtsai: | are they in the TV listings? |
| [16:39:00] | purplefrog: | yes. |
| [16:39:00] | purplefrog: | I can do a search for "A Morning Bob Show" and all but Jun 2 and Jun 13 episodes are boxed in green. |
| [16:39:00] | purplefrog: | running mythfilldatabase spanked the back end back into shape. |
| [16:40:00] | rtsai: | and the recording schedule for "Bob Show" doesn't have any filtering in it (no reruns, etc.)? |
| [16:40:00] | purplefrog: | It is specifically configured to record all episodes, don't try to avoid duplicates of any kind. |
| [16:40:00] | rtsai: | hmm |
| [16:41:00] | rtsai: | you could try: |
| [16:41:00] | rtsai: | mysqldump (db backup) |
| [16:41:00] | rtsai: | reproduce your problem |
| [16:41:00] | rtsai: | run mythfildatabase |
| [16:41:00] | rtsai: | mysqldump again |
| [16:41:00] | purplefrog: | Something about the way that I manipulate the database pisses off the backend. |
| [16:41:00] | rtsai: | diff |
| [16:41:00] | purplefrog: | That's a good idea. |
| [16:41:00] | purplefrog: | It should be insane again tomorrow morning. |
| [16:41:00] | rtsai: | (oops don't run mythfildatabse since that fixes your problem) |
| [16:42:00] | rtsai: | but you get the idea |
| [16:42:00] | purplefrog: | yeah. Next time it's malfunctioning I'll dump the database, "fix" it with mythfilldatabase, and then dump again to see what changed. |
| [16:42:00] | purplefrog: | I have a suspicion there will be no difference. |
| [16:43:00] | purplefrog: | I think it's all about mythbackend's in-core data structures. |
| [16:43:00] | purplefrog: | Is there a better way to "repair" the defective tv listings that come from zap2it? |
| [16:43:00] | Beirdo: | defective? |
| [16:43:00] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [16:43:00] | rtsai: | all i know is mythfilldatabase --max-days or something like that |
| [16:44:00] | purplefrog: | Yeah. The Daily Show doesn't have episode IDs, so it's very difficult to filter out the duplicates (an important thing, since they air it 5 times a day). |
| [16:44:00] | purplefrog: | Plus, CNNHN is listed in 3-hour chunks. |
| [16:45:00] | rtsai: | i bet the stations do that on purpose to fill up people's pvrs |
| [16:45:00] | purplefrog: | You can't exactly say "get me every episode of CNNHN from 7:30am to 9:30am that doesn't conflict with ANYTHING else." |
| [16:45:00] | rtsai: | what's wrong with a super-low priority? |
| [16:45:00] | purplefrog: | That alone does not describe my plight. |
| [16:46:00] | rtsai: | heh |
| [16:46:00] | purplefrog: | How do you specify "keep 2 of every 30 minute chunk of CNNHN between 7:30a to 9:30a? |
| [16:47:00] | purplefrog: | Me, I kludged up a script which alters the "program" table, replacing the 3-hour entries with 6 30-minute entries, and I name the episodes that fall between 7:30a and 9:30a "A Morning Bob Show". |
| [16:49:00] | rtsai: | interseting. |
| [16:49:00] | rtsai: | what about low-priority manual schedules? |
| [16:49:00] | purplefrog: | Can you use those to keep "the two most recently recorded episodes" ? |
| [16:49:00] | rtsai: | i don't know; i don't use them |
| [16:49:00] | purplefrog: | Or is each 30 minute segment its own show? |
| [16:51:00] | purplefrog: | I wonder, where does the output from mythfilldatabase get logged? |
| [16:51:00] | rtsai: | you basically want to associate some number of disparate recording schedules into a single "max episdoes" pool |
| [16:51:00] | purplefrog: | That's a sensible way of expressing it. |
| [16:51:00] | rtsai: | Maybe recording groups provide that functionality (or maybe they're only an organization tool for browsing; I don't know). |
| [16:52:00] | rtsai: | But otherwise, yeah, you have an interesting kludge to force them into a single max-episides pool :) |
| [16:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | purplefrog: It just gets dumped to stdout. If you are running it in a crontab it would by default get mailed to the user that the cronjob was running under |
| [16:52:00] | purplefrog: | I think it's getting run by mythbackend, because it's not in cron. |
| [16:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | which is my I have a .forward on my box sending all mail to that user on my box to my real address :) |
| [16:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | ok, you can configure mtyh to run it for you |
| [16:53:00] | rtsai: | you can configure mythfilldatabse to dump to a logfile |
| [16:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've just never used it that way |
| [16:53:00] | rtsai: | (configured in myth) |
| [16:53:00] | rtsai: | that's how I use it |
| [16:53:00] | purplefrog: | I think I'll look for that option. |
| [16:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | I get my email every morning at ~10:30am letting me know what happened. soemtimes I look, but usually I just delete them :) |
| [17:01:00] | purplefrog: | I think the main advantage of letting mythtv run it for you is that it can pick a time when it's not busy recording something, to minimize disk contention and the chance of the backend issuing an SQL query against an in-progress data set. |
| [17:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | myth spawning it, doesn't stop it from trampling on any other queries |
| [17:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | disk contention, please how slow a drive are you running ?:) |
| [17:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythfilldatabase is a very light process (except for the first running and the need to fill in the entire set of listings) |
| [17:03:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:03:00] | Beirdo: | disk contention? If you are having issues with that, your machine's too sucky to really be useful for Myth |
| [17:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | it only grabs 1 day in the future and updates tomorrows listings (or was it todays listings?) |
| [17:04:00] | purplefrog: | Well, if I attempt to download an episode via HTTP while it's recording another, I have seen queue overflow errors in syslog. |
| [17:05:00] | purplefrog: | WAIT! it updates "today's" listings? When did it start doing that? What version? |
| [17:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | note the questionmark |
| [17:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | as in I wasn't positive at the time of writing if it was tomorrows, or todays |
| [17:06:00] | purplefrog: | I'm going to read the source. |
| [17:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'll just read the emailed output :) |
| [17:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's "Refreshing Tomorrow's data |
| [17:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | " |
| [17:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | So , not today |
| [17:08:00] | purplefrog: | The source implies there are options for "today" and "tomorrow" |
| [17:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | So it updates tomorrows listings in case of any changes since originally frabbed |
| [17:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | there is a --refresh-today commandline option |
| [17:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythfilldatabase --help is full of useful stuff |
| [17:11:00] | purplefrog: | Hmm, this CVS web interface doesn't have the "annotate" option. |
| [17:14:00] | rtsai: | just checkout the whole thing already. Then you can browse in full cscope/ctags glory |
| [17:14:00] | purplefrog: | Dude, my C tools knowledge is STONE AGE. I use emacs. |
| [17:15:00] | purplefrog: | On top of that, I'm spoiled by IntelliJ (java IDE). |
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| [17:17:00] | ** GreyFoxx imports mythgame into his repository so he can start tracking his changes like he should have been doing since he started making them ** | |
| [17:18:00] | rtsai: | purplefrog: there is always "etags" |
| [17:18:00] | rtsai: | purplefrog: Meta-, |
| [17:18:00] | purplefrog: | I've used that in the past, but never got comfortable with it. |
| [17:18:00] | rtsai: | yeah, it sucks. So I switched back to vi |
| [17:19:00] | purplefrog: | I bet vi has tags support too. |
| [17:19:00] | rtsai: | yes |
| [17:19:00] | rtsai: | ctags |
| [17:19:00] | purplefrog: | Any better than etags? |
| [17:19:00] | rtsai: | much |
| [17:19:00] | rtsai: | my emacs days were an experimental phase of my life I could have done without :) |
| [17:19:00] | purplefrog: | someone needs to taunt Stallman about that. |
| [17:20:00] | purplefrog: | Both VI an emacs are "rock tied to a stick" when compared with IntelliJ. |
| [17:21:00] | jonK: | you'd be suprised just how mutch you can get done with a rock tied to a stick |
| [17:22:00] | laga: | jonK: especially if the stick has a visual mode |
| [17:22:00] | rtsai: | my rock+stick works just fine on my P2–400MHz dev machine |
| [17:22:00] | jonK: | is there a way to copy lines in vi though? |
| [17:22:00] | rtsai: | "y"ank and "p"aste |
| [17:22:00] | jonK: | that rings a bell |
| [17:23:00] | jonK: | too many years of ctl v and ctl p |
| [17:25:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v GeckoFiend | |
| [17:25:00] | maniacxs: | anybody got working eit with dvb-s and diseqc switch? |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | emacs sucks |
| [17:27:00] | rjune: | uhm, yea |
| [17:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | Man, I love my ISP |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | it was the original bloatware |
| [17:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | they just doubled our downstream |
| [17:27:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: sweet |
| [17:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm now getting almost 200k more to a site I was getting 580K from |
| [17:28:00] | ** Beirdo sends more pr0n to GreyFoxx to saturate the link ** | |
| [17:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | ncftp /torrents > get qt-win-opensource-desktop-4.0.0.zip |
| [17:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | qt-win-opensource-desktop-4.0.0.zip: 24.39 MB 745.83 kB/s |
| [17:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | I was hitting a max of 580 to that site (my box in another location) |
| [17:28:00] | rjune: | 6Mbit downstream? |
| [17:29:00] | ** laga only has 1mbit/s :// ** | |
| [17:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | 10Mbit |
| [17:29:00] | rjune: | damn |
| [17:29:00] | rjune: | who's your isp? |
| [17:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Company called Eastlink |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: stop abusing our news servers :) |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | errr |
| [17:30:00] | ** Beirdo chuckles ** | |
| [17:30:00] | rjune: | you're just jealous |
| [17:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use worldcom's news server :) |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | yes you do |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | don't make me go downstairs and break it :) |
| [17:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | I wouldn't care enough if you did |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | I read like 5 news groups :) |
| [17:31:00] | jonK: | alt.sex.? |
| [17:31:00] | jonK: | which 5? |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork? |
| [17:31:00] | laga: | Beirdo: break it anyways – annoying the help desk is fun! |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | no it's not |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | they get real bitchy |
| [17:31:00] | laga: | heh |
| [17:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | hfx.general, comp.dcom.modems.cable, alt.tv.stargate-sg1, comp.unix.solaris |
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| [17:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | and alt.sysadmin.recovery |
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| [17:33:00] | rjune: | heh |
| [17:34:00] | laga: | rjune: btw. is it usually safe to use lbe cvs head, or do they tend to break stuff? i don't feel like hunting down tarball because most of the urls in the stable release are broken |
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| [17:34:00] | rjune: | it gets flaky sometimes, jim can prolly tell you the status of it. |
| [17:35:00] | rjune: | though you should prolly stick to the 4_1_1 tag |
| [17:35:00] | laga: | ok *sigh* |
| [17:35:00] | rjune: | why? |
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| [17:35:00] | laga: | well, some of the urls in the pkg.def files are dead |
| [17:35:00] | rjune: | cute |
| [17:36:00] | laga: | rjune: heh. i didn't intend to bitch about it, i'm just lazy ;) |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | hfx.general. hahah |
| [17:37:00] | Beirdo: | you wouldn't believe how many tickets we've gotten over the years about that one |
| [17:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Lots of whiny bitches in there |
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| [17:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use to work for Eastlink, and trust me, I know how many are made :) |
| [17:38:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: don't make me cry ;) |
| [17:39:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: tickets for what? |
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| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | trouble tickets |
| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | "hfx.general's busted" |
| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:39:00] | rjune: | Ah, gotcha |
| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, you were likely one of the ones sending them to us back then |
| [17:40:00] | purplefrog: | I've been away from usenet too long. I can't even guess what hfx.general's content would be. |
| [17:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's a busy little group of whiners who get crabby if they think their net connection is slow or if they don't see their own usenet posts appear in a couple seconds |
| [17:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | hfx is short of Halifax,(the city I'm in) |
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| [17:52:00] | jvs: | good evening |
| [17:52:00] | jvs: | can anybody tell me how to change the setting of XV_ENCODING? |
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| [17:55:00] | cyberknet: | not I, sorry. |
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| [18:13:00] | rjune: | what is the URL for web-cvs? |
| [18:13:00] | cyberknet: | web-cvs or web-svn? |
| [18:13:00] | rjune: | web-cvs |
| [18:13:00] | laga: | cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [18:13:00] | cyberknet: | I don't know |
| [18:13:00] | cyberknet: | =P" |
| [18:14:00] | laga: | oh, sorry. dunno. |
| [18:14:00] | rjune: | thanks laga |
| [18:14:00] | laga: | trac is svn stuff |
| [18:14:00] | cyberknet: | rjune: that's web svn, nor web cvs. |
| [18:14:00] | rjune: | it'll do |
| [18:14:00] | cyberknet: | then why say cvs when I asked if svn would do? |
| [18:14:00] | ** cyberknet shakes his head ** | |
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| [18:15:00] | rjune: | 'cause I forgot that svn was useful too |
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| [18:21:00] | Randall64: | Is it sufficient to tell cable companies "I want a cable box that does firewire?" |
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| [18:36:00] | GotD0t: | Randall64: just tell them what box you want because you had a professional come in and set up your remotes with one of those boxes and it'll be too expensive to get them to come back and reconfigure it all with different boxes... or some crap like that |
| [18:38:00] | Randall64: | Got: Do I really need to justify it? I thought they were required to furnish one. |
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| [18:39:00] | GotD0t: | Randall64: they're required to furnish a box... but i doubt they HAVE to give you the one you request |
| [18:39:00] | GotD0t: | Randall64: and if you give them a reason like that they'll probably give you the one you ask if they use them |
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| [18:40:00] | Randall64: | Got: I've read that they do, actually. |
| [18:41:00] | GotD0t: | Randall64: well whatever... the person you'll be speaking to will not be the brightest so to avoid them being like "well why do you want THAT box?" i would justify it somehow |
| [18:41:00] | Randall64: | yeah, that's what I was worried about |
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| [18:53:00] | smoke_: | how do i change the font of a theme? |
| [18:53:00] | smoke_: | can i use a ttf? .. and where do i put the ttf font at? |
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| [18:54:00] | dh0: | hello. i currently dont have sound configured. I plan to buy a pvr-350. Am i going to need to configure sound to get audio to work with that? |
| [18:55:00] | ** KarlosII recommends all freenode users turn on +w (wallops and server notices) ** | |
| [18:55:00] | kormoc: | dh0, if you want to listen to it on the box, then yet. |
| [18:55:00] | dh0: | i dont have a need for my normal system sound unless it is required to make mythtv work with my 350 |
| [18:55:00] | dh0: | kormac, i will be using the tv out to watch it on a tv. do i need it then? |
| [18:56:00] | kormoc: | you need to get the sound to the tv somehow, aye. |
| [18:56:00] | dh0: | so it wont just send it over the cable? |
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| [18:56:00] | kormoc: | unless the 350 has a sound decoder as well as a mpeg2 decoder? |
| [18:56:00] | dh0: | hmmm |
| [18:56:00] | ** kormoc pokes people who know more then he does. ** | |
| [18:56:00] | dh0: | i just figured since it had the cable out that it could takecare of audio |
| [18:57:00] | dh0: | :\ |
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| [19:00:00] | kormoc: | so cyberknet, how goes the 500 that you just put in last night? |
| [19:01:00] | dh0: | kormac, on their site it says a/v encoder and a/v decoder |
| [19:01:00] | kormoc: | dh0, It's likly you won't need to then. I was under the impression it was a mpeg2 video only decoder, but ya, it's nice that it's not. |
| [19:01:00] | dh0: | so should i assume mythtv doesnt need system sound configured? |
| [19:01:00] | kormoc: | sure |
| [19:02:00] | dh0: | okay thanks |
| [19:02:00] | Randall64: | mpeg2 includes audio ... |
| [19:02:00] | kormoc: | Randall64, yeah, but a hardware mpeg 2 decoder for tv out on my nvidia (for example) doesn't do audio. |
| [19:03:00] | Chutt2: | if you're only going to use tv, then the pvr-350's audio out is sufficient. |
| [19:03:00] | dh0: | cool |
| [19:03:00] | Chutt2: | if you want music, or other video files, you need a soundcard. |
| [19:03:00] | dh0: | the thing is going to be installed on a 350 mhz desktop. I am not going to want to be using that when i have a shiny new powerbook to use :) |
| [19:04:00] | Randall64: | oh yeah, has anyone used 0.18.1 on OS X? |
| [19:04:00] | dh0: | havnt tried |
| [19:05:00] | dh0: | on os x, would i have to run a full fledgedfront-end to watch videos that are stored on my pvr? |
| [19:05:00] | dh0: | would there be a more os x friendly way to do it? |
| [19:06:00] | Randall64: | I'm not sure what you mean by a full-fledged front-end. |
| [19:07:00] | Randall64: | It's just a front-end with a couple of plugins bundled into Mythtv.app |
| [19:07:00] | kormoc: | he wants to be able to play them ala quicktime |
| [19:07:00] | Randall64: | ahh, it does use quicktime as the renderer ... |
| [19:07:00] | smoke_: | hey guys, i just need to know when i change the font in my theme.xml file, where does it find the fonts at? are they ttf? |
| [19:07:00] | Randall64: | None of that nasty X business. |
| [19:07:00] | kormoc: | but not in a window :P |
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| [19:07:00] | Randall64: | It will display it a number of ways (thanks to quicktime), including a window |
| [19:07:00] | kormoc: | intresting |
| [19:08:00] | Randall64: | or used to anyway, with 0.17 |
| [19:08:00] | ** kormoc pokes xorg. ** | |
| [19:08:00] | kormoc: | why can't you do that? huh? huh? :P |
| [19:08:00] | Randall64: | Xorg isn't a multimedia framework :) |
| [19:08:00] | kormoc: | yeah, I'm hoping that Xgl will change that a bit |
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| [19:09:00] | dh0: | Randall64: i just figured it would be a x11 app |
| [19:09:00] | dh0: | is it a normal os x .app bundle? |
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| [19:12:00] | jonK: | arrgh, now none of the hauppauge cards will tune... all have i2c_client addr: 0x44 not found for command [number]! |
| [19:16:00] | smoke_: | you need to change the way the modules get loaded in ur modprobe.conf or wahtever. |
| [19:16:00] | smoke_: | they need to be in a certain order. |
| [19:16:00] | jonK: | you are correct, it helps to have an "=" between the paramter and the value |
| [19:17:00] | jonK: | and further, it helps to have the parameter "i2c_enable" not spelled "i2c_inable" |
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| [19:18:00] | jonK: | now im back down to all but 1 tuner loading |
| [19:18:00] | cyberknet: | brb, rebooting |
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| [19:22:00] | Randall64: | So how well does firewire capturing actually work? |
| [19:22:00] | cyberknet: | jonK: what tuner type is your buy.com card? |
| [19:23:00] | Randall64: | dh0: Well, it can be a bundle, but no X (just Qt and quicktime) |
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| [19:23:00] | dh0: | oh yeah. qt, thats righht :) |
| [19:23:00] | dh0: | is ther any way to have it not fullscreen? |
| [19:24:00] | smoke_: | how do i change the font of a theme? |
| [19:24:00] | smoke_: | can i use a ttf? .. and where do i put the ttf font at? |
| [19:24:00] | Randall64: | yeah, it has like 4 options |
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| [19:26:00] | dh0: | oh sweet |
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| [19:28:00] | cyberknet: | bbias |
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| [19:30:00] | Beirdo: | !ok.!ok.cox.sux |
| [19:31:00] | cyberknet: | heh |
| [19:32:00] | Beirdo: | especially as they say you are in Oklahoma City |
| [19:32:00] | cyberknet: | !ok.!ok.cyberknet.sux |
| [19:32:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:33:00] | cyberknet: | they are? |
| [19:33:00] | cyberknet: | nice. |
| [19:33:00] | dh0: | well, i put in a window. i cant seem to figure out how to make it any smaller than its current massive size |
| [19:33:00] | Beirdo: | ok.ok would be Oklahoma City, no? |
| [19:33:00] | cyberknet: | you would think. |
| [19:33:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, you'd think |
| [19:33:00] | cyberknet: | I think all of tulsa comes under okc though. |
| [19:33:00] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [19:33:00] | Beirdo: | sucker |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | Oh take your global begging and shove it up your ass sideways! |
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| [19:36:00] | smoke_: | cna someone tell me where the themes locate the fonts at |
| [19:36:00] | smoke_: | ? |
| [19:36:00] | Chutt2: | it uses X for fonts, of course. |
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| [19:37:00] | smoke_: | Chutt, why wont it use any of my artwiz fonts? |
| [19:37:00] | smoke_: | when i put them in the <font> tags? |
| [19:37:00] | GotD0t: | because it doesn't like you |
| [19:37:00] | GotD0t: | ever think of that? |
| [19:37:00] | BMOC: | hi friends |
| [19:37:00] | Chutt2: | i wouldn't know |
| [19:40:00] | smoke_: | :/ |
| [19:40:00] | BMOC: | anyone using nuv2cd? |
| [19:40:00] | Beirdo: | never heard of it |
| [19:40:00] | BMOC: | copies recordings to a dvd, and takes out commercials auto |
| [19:40:00] | BMOC: | i thought i had it set up right, but apparently not |
| [19:41:00] | Beirdo: | maybe you should email the author |
| [19:42:00] | smoke_: | what directory does mythtv look for the mp3s at? |
| [19:42:00] | BMOC: | i did:O |
| [19:42:00] | BMOC: | no response. |
| [19:43:00] | Beirdo: | tough luck then, BMOC :) I doubt anyone else can really help with someone's personal creation. |
| [19:43:00] | BMOC: | i thought i might get lucky cuz i was told about it in here:) |
| [19:43:00] | Beirdo: | I doubt many here have even heard of it |
| [19:43:00] | jams: | yeah nuv2cd doesn't ring any bells |
| [19:43:00] | BMOC: | you have pvr-250? |
| [19:44:00] | BMOC: | i forgot the guy's name, he told me bout it in here the other day |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | Heya, jams |
| [19:44:00] | jams: | hey |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | I have 3 PVR-250 |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | and I turned on the TV for the second time in a month last night |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:44:00] | BMOC: | i'm trying to do the updated firmware thing for my pvr-150, and i did what the website said to do |
| [19:44:00] | BMOC: | copy it off cd and do the symlink |
| [19:45:00] | BMOC: | but i don't think it loads it still |
| [19:45:00] | BMOC: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 28 12:45 ivtv-fw-enc.bin -> HcwFalcn.rom |
| [19:45:00] | jonK: | why don't you think it loads |
| [19:45:00] | BMOC: | it still gave the outdated firmware error in dmesg |
| [19:45:00] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
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| [19:49:00] | BMOC: | yay, the nuv2disc guy wrote |
| [19:49:00] | BMOC: | sorry, i meant nuv2disc, not nuv2cd |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | Ohhh. |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | that I've heard of |
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| [19:50:00] | BMOC: | Beirdo: how do i see what resolution two shows were recorded at? |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | nuvinfo |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | from nuvexport |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | simplest way |
| [19:51:00] | BMOC: | now that's bizarre |
| [19:51:00] | BMOC: | i am sure i recorded these shows at 720 |
| [19:51:00] | BMOC: | hmm |
| [19:52:00] | BMOC: | yes, the default recording profile is 720x480 |
| [19:52:00] | BMOC: | so why are they 480 height and 640 width? |
| [19:53:00] | jams: | heh..that would do it |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | because you recorded them at that resolution, obviously |
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| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | then changed the profile after, maybe? |
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| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | or were using a different profile, etc |
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| [19:55:00] | BMOC: | well, i changed them all to 720x480 now |
| [19:55:00] | BMOC: | hmm, i wonder if that means i can't stick these two shows on dvd:( |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | that will be good for future recordings |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | you will need to reencode them (nuvexport) to 720x480 |
| [19:55:00] | BMOC: | oh ok |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | 640x480 being not a valid DVD resolution |
| [19:56:00] | dh0: | alright, i dont get it. i am running a frontend on my os x machine. it says it cant conect to the db. i fired up ethereal and saw all sorts of sql trafic between the two machines. wtf would it tell me to check the ip as if it never conected |
| [19:56:00] | BMOC: | "using ffmpeg for exporting, what would you like to do?" |
| [19:56:00] | BMOC: | do i just choose export to dvd? |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | that would be the idea, yes |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:57:00] | BMOC: | i didn't know if it's going to actually try to burn it or not |
| [19:58:00] | jams: | or use the convert/trancode option of nuv2disc. Provided you have a recent matching version of nuvexport and nuv2disc |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | good point |
| [19:58:00] | BMOC: | jams: well, it's not showing the shows in nuv2disc, and the author says it's cuz they are encoded wrong |
| [19:58:00] | BMOC: | err |
| [19:58:00] | BMOC: | wrong res |
| [19:59:00] | jams: | right and I beleive you just validated that |
| [19:59:00] | BMOC: | jams: but you said cn do the convert/transcode option in nuv2disc, it won't even list the shows in nuv2disc to do that |
| [19:59:00] | BMOC: | from what i see |
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| [20:00:00] | BMOC: | woops |
| [20:00:00] | jams: | I am saying there is also a button that says "transcode files" |
| [20:00:00] | jams: | pretty sure your files will be there |
| [20:00:00] | BMOC: | right when you start nuv2disc? |
| [20:00:00] | jams: | under the dvd menu of nuv2disc |
| [20:01:00] | BMOC: | ah ok, it shows mpeg and mpeg dirs |
| [20:01:00] | BMOC: | do i need to copy my nuv files to one of those? |
| [20:01:00] | BMOC: | err |
| [20:01:00] | BMOC: | it shows mpeg and nonmpeg dir |
| [20:01:00] | jams: | nope..they should be listed right there |
| [20:02:00] | jams: | or perhaps under the mpeg dir |
| [20:02:00] | BMOC: | unfortunately not, it only lists mpeg and nonmpeg dir. both are empty. the files are in /myth/store |
| [20:03:00] | BMOC: | err, i am just doing command line nuvexport |
| [20:03:00] | jams: | well did you change commonvars to point to your myth recording dir |
| [20:03:00] | BMOC: | when it asks enable myth cutlist, what is recommended for that? |
| [20:04:00] | BMOC: | jams, i don't see in nuv2disc where to set commonvars |
| [20:05:00] | jams: | it's a text file under the nuv2disc directory |
| [20:05:00] | cyberknet: | jonK: is it tuner0 that doesn't work on your 500, or tuner1? |
| [20:05:00] | jams: | it's where you set all the system stuff |
| [20:05:00] | jonK: | it is the first tuner that ivtv tries to configure |
| [20:05:00] | BMOC: | hmm, not in the nuv2disc dir, there's changelog, some dirs, nuv2disc.sh, systemcheck.sh |
| [20:06:00] | BMOC: | oh, it's for the skin |
| [20:06:00] | jonK: | tuner0 |
| [20:07:00] | BMOC: | jonK: should i enable myth cutlist for transcoding? |
| [20:07:00] | jonK: | i have no idea |
| [20:07:00] | jonK: | i've never really done any transcoding |
| [20:08:00] | BMOC: | do you use nuv2disc? |
| [20:08:00] | jonK: | i ahve not |
| [20:10:00] | jams: | BMOC, I suggest not commerical cutting until everything else is working |
| [20:11:00] | jonK: | cyberknet, why you ask? |
| [20:12:00] | BMOC: | so cutlist is commercial cutting? |
| [20:12:00] | BMOC: | Starting ffmpeg. |
| [20:12:00] | BMOC: | processed: 0 of 215655 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps |
| [20:12:00] | BMOC: | it's been there for two minutes, apparently not working:) |
| [20:12:00] | cyberknet: | jonK: first tuner isn't working. hadn't tried the second tuner yet. |
| [20:13:00] | jonK: | on yours? |
| [20:14:00] | cyberknet: | yeah. but it's just that both tuners dont work yet. |
| [20:14:00] | cyberknet: | there's some user error in there yet |
| [20:14:00] | jonK: | do you have more than one tuner card? |
| [20:15:00] | cyberknet: | nope. |
| [20:15:00] | cyberknet: | one 500 |
| [20:15:00] | cyberknet: | had been following Jarod's guide |
| [20:15:00] | cyberknet: | what tuner type does your buy.com card have? |
| [20:15:00] | Beirdo: | have you tried it in Winblows to make sure the card's OK? |
| [20:15:00] | cyberknet: | pffft. |
| [20:15:00] | cyberknet: | of course not. |
| [20:15:00] | cyberknet: | I'm not that organized. |
| [20:16:00] | cyberknet: | ;) |
| [20:16:00] | cyberknet: | they're detected as type 57 right now. |
| [20:18:00] | jonK: | so are mine |
| [20:18:00] | jonK: | waht does dmesg have to say? |
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| [20:21:00] | cyberknet: | the only thing in there that I see that I might worry about a little is Encoder Firmware may be buggy, use version 0x02040011 |
| [20:22:00] | jonK: | I dont get that error |
| [20:22:00] | jonK: | err. warning |
| [20:23:00] | cyberknet: | http://pastebin.ca/16528 |
| [20:23:00] | jonK: | and i am using version 0x02040011 |
| [20:24:00] | cyberknet: | aha. any way you could make that available to me? |
| [20:24:00] | jonK: | it's at ivtv.sourceforge.net |
| [20:24:00] | cyberknet: | well, never mind. |
| [20:25:00] | jonK: | hit the wiki, then firmware, |
| [20:25:00] | jonK: | it's teh one with *** |
| [20:25:00] | cyberknet: | I found a trac ticket from jarod that says 24 is teh recommended firmware now. |
| [20:25:00] | cyberknet: | which is the one I am running. |
| [20:26:00] | cyberknet: | what does your modules.conf section look like? |
| [20:27:00] | cyberknet: | I took mine from Jarod's guide. |
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| [20:27:00] | jonK: | try upgrading ivtv |
| [20:27:00] | jonK: | you're using a fairly old version |
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| [20:28:00] | jonK: | go build 0.3.6 |
| [20:28:00] | jonK: | ivtv.tv/releases |
| [20:29:00] | jonK: | and I'm using 0.3.6 with no subversion |
| [20:29:00] | jonK: | latest ones crash and burn hard |
| [20:29:00] | jonK: | (at least for me) |
| [20:30:00] | ** cyberknet wgets ** | |
| [20:32:00] | ** Beirdo wputs ** | |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | yay for long weekends! |
| [20:33:00] | xris: | ooh, long weekend this weekend. |
| [20:33:00] | xris: | means, uh, I get my yardwork done. heh. |
| [20:34:00] | Beirdo: | I get tomorrow off |
| [20:34:00] | Beirdo: | you yanks get Monday off |
| [20:34:00] | jams: | so why do you get tomorrow off? |
| [20:34:00] | stoffel: | ah, the day the aliens arrive |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | because it's Canada Day, silly |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | why do you get Monday off? |
| [20:35:00] | TimmyJ_: | I was wondering if installing mythTV on a debian box has a high success rate...I recently tried on ubuntu and failed miserably, I've heard fedora has a great documentation but I can't stand fedora :P |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:35:00] | jonK: | what went wrong timmy |
| [20:35:00] | ** Beirdo is a Canadian :) ** | |
| [20:35:00] | jams: | I thought it was odd you got friday off for our holiday |
| [20:35:00] | iznogood: | installing on debian is really easy |
| [20:35:00] | jonK: | I have it running on ubuntu fine |
| [20:35:00] | beavis: | myth on debian is fine |
| [20:35:00] | jonK: | i've installed from apt-get |
| [20:35:00] | jonK: | and from source |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | July 1 is Canada Day |
| [20:35:00] | jams: | but that's just me being dense |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | has been my whole life :) |
| [20:35:00] | jonK: | oh canada! |
| [20:36:00] | jonK: | my home nad native land... |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | used to be called Dominion Day back a bit |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | my dad STILL calls it that |
| [20:36:00] | Mersault: | is there any way to get mythtv (or mythmusic, specifically) to connect to my itunes share and stream the music using the itunes daap sharing? |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | and I tell him he's old |
| [20:36:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, I got ivtv all working and it detected my card...but configuring mythTV seems like a bitch and Ic ouldnt' find a really good up to date tutorila |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | <stoffel> not mythtv, but mfd/mfe can, Mersault. |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | the same answer you got in the wrong channel |
| [20:37:00] | Mersault: | Beirdo, and did you see my followup question? |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [20:37:00] | Mersault: | I can't even google for mfd/mfe... |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | it's in the source tree |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | I don't use it, so I dunno |
| [20:37:00] | Mersault: | okay, that's an answer I can use |
| [20:38:00] | Beirdo: | but it's there |
| [20:38:00] | Mersault: | thanks! |
| [20:38:00] | jonK: | what cant you configure |
| [20:38:00] | jonK: | and what makes you think configuring myth on fedoroa would be any easier or different? |
| [20:38:00] | Beirdo: | use the information from j-rod|afk's nice guide, and apply it to your setup |
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| [20:41:00] | Mersault: | Beirdo, is mfd/mfe in mythtv or mythplugins (I have the cvs tree sitting here)? A quick little tour of the source hasn't revealed anything |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | I think it's either in the plugins or at the same level as mythtv or mythplugins |
| [20:42:00] | Beirdo: | go to http://cvs.mythtv.org/ and investigate :) |
| [20:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's in branches of it's own from the look of it |
| [20:42:00] | Beirdo: | although it's actually using SVN now |
| [20:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | outside of both |
| [20:42:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's what I thought, but wasn't sure |
| [20:42:00] | Mersault: | SVN? subversion? |
| [20:43:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:43:00] | Mersault: | never used it. don't really do a lot of development of my own... |
| [20:43:00] | Mersault: | so does this mean I need to grab subversion to get mfd/mfe? |
| [20:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [20:43:00] | Beirdo: | if you want the latest, yes |
| [20:44:00] | Mersault: | alrighty then... |
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| [21:11:00] | MrSpiffy: | yo! |
| [21:12:00] | MrSpiffy: | beir-do beir-do |
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| [21:31:00] | cyberknet: | do de do de do |
| [21:31:00] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [21:41:00] | MrSpiffy: | beir-do beir-do |
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| [21:44:00] | MrSpiffy: | I'm buiding a new server |
| [21:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | might run FC4 on it |
| [21:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | FC4 will install mysql 4.1 |
| [21:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | I wonder if that will mess me up when I try to install mythtv via yum |
| [21:45:00] | cinix: | What's so appealing about FC4? |
| [21:45:00] | ** MrSpiffy ponders deps ** | |
| [21:45:00] | MrSpiffy: | using FC2 – love it |
| [21:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | and FC4 finally will install mysql 4 |
| [21:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | instead of old 3 |
| [21:46:00] | MrSpiffy: | :) |
| [21:46:00] | ** MrSpiffy didn't groove on FC3 ** | |
| [21:47:00] | cinix: | I'm not up to speed on version, seems weird you're using FC2 when theirs FC4, sounds so old. |
| [21:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | thing is – I may need to use FC2 instead |
| [21:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | I use FC2 because sound works |
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| [21:47:00] | crash-x: | is exec shield as default enabled in fc4? |
| [21:47:00] | MrSpiffy: | AC97 sound chip on my dell – broken on later kernels |
| [21:47:00] | cinix: | well... thinks like that are usually just learning how to configure them in the new version. |
| [21:48:00] | cinix: | really? |
| [21:48:00] | cinix: | odd. |
| [21:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | yep |
| [21:48:00] | cinix: | well are you using ALSA? |
| [21:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | in fact when I upgraded the kernel version on FC2 from 2.6.358 to 2.6.10 it broke there too |
| [21:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | yep – using alsa |
| [21:48:00] | MrSpiffy: | googled around and found it – kernel problem |
| [21:49:00] | cinix: | I'd like to try CentOS sometime, I wouldn't touch FC just from my experiences with older redhats |
| [21:49:00] | MrSpiffy: | hence, I run FC2 and 2.6.358 kernel |
| [21:49:00] | cinix: | jees, what's 2.6.358! |
| [21:49:00] | MrSpiffy: | FC is much much better than old RH9 before it went RHEL |
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| [21:50:00] | MrSpiffy: | scuse me – 2.6.5–1.358 |
| [21:50:00] | MrSpiffy: | that's what's on the stock FC2 cdrom |
| [21:50:00] | cinix: | ohh. |
| [21:51:00] | cinix: | <- clueless about versions it seems |
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| [21:51:00] | cinix: | fc4 doesn't give you a choice on differnt kernels to use? |
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| [21:51:00] | cinix: | could always compile your own if that's the only thing holding you back |
| [21:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | and FC2 is what converted me from FreeBSD to Linux. I wasn't impressed with RH9 either |
| [21:51:00] | cinix: | or hell use the fc2 kernel on fc4 |
| [21:51:00] | MrSpiffy: | sure – but they may be too new |
| [21:52:00] | cinix: | I used RH5 :-P |
| [21:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | I may try it to see if my intel sound will work |
| [21:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | RH5? wow – did that come by wagon train in a wood bok? |
| [21:52:00] | MrSpiffy: | box? |
| [21:52:00] | cinix: | it's not that old |
| [21:53:00] | cinix: | I remember tring to change some ftp settings, and everytime I'd change them they'd never take place |
| [21:53:00] | cinix: | and i'd go back to the file and it'd be reverted back |
| [21:53:00] | Randall64: | I dumped redhat (v 4.0) when they introduced pam at version 0.1x and I couldn't login anymore. |
| [21:53:00] | cinix: | I'd get so pissed |
| [21:53:00] | cinix: | lol |
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| [21:53:00] | MrSpiffy: | heh |
| [21:53:00] | MrSpiffy: | what do you use now? |
| [21:53:00] | Randall64: | I've tried it at various times over the years but it still sucks. |
| [21:53:00] | cinix: | debian |
| [21:53:00] | Randall64: | Slick installer though. |
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| [21:54:00] | cyberknet: | jonK: Well, I |
| [21:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | debian has a good rep |
| [21:54:00] | cyberknet: | jonK: Well, I just installed 0.3.6w |
| [21:54:00] | Randall64: | ubuntu is treating me nicely, but mostly because it's debian with added features |
| [21:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | I see a lot of mandrake folks out there |
| [21:54:00] | cyberknet: | trying a capture now. |
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| [21:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | I tried suse – didn;t like it |
| [21:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | FC2 is my fav to date |
| [21:54:00] | cinix: | Mandrake changed their name to something weird |
| [21:55:00] | MrSpiffy: | ah |
| [21:55:00] | cinix: | Suse sent me a couple free DVD's! I never tried it though, what a waste |
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| [21:55:00] | MrSpiffy: | suse is ok and all but I just don't like kde |
| [21:55:00] | MrSpiffy: | I just prefer gnome |
| [21:55:00] | cinix: | I need another room with just test bed shit, one day |
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| [21:56:00] | MrSpiffy: | I have FC2 cranking along on this sony vaio laptop |
| [21:56:00] | MrSpiffy: | wireless and irda too :) |
| [21:56:00] | MrSpiffy: | got my palm to sync over irda |
| [21:56:00] | MrSpiffy: | very cool |
| [21:56:00] | MrSpiffy: | I just with the tv out worked |
| [21:57:00] | MrSpiffy: | then I'd have a set box |
| [21:57:00] | MrSpiffy: | :/ |
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| [21:57:00] | cinix: | I finally got my mythbox working, but had to switch some weird PAL option on the video card to get semi good colors on my NTSC tv |
| [21:57:00] | MrSpiffy: | it's bumming me out – a tv out jack on the laptop and can't get it working |
| [21:57:00] | MrSpiffy: | what vid card do you have? |
| [21:57:00] | cinix: | soo everything is right but green and purple, all green is purple, all purple is green |
| [21:57:00] | cinix: | makes for funny looking trees |
| [21:58:00] | MrSpiffy: | damn |
| [21:58:00] | cinix: | nvidia geforce, embedded on the motherboard |
| [21:58:00] | MrSpiffy: | too bad |
| [21:58:00] | cinix: | eh it's kind of trippy I don't mind it. |
| [21:58:00] | MrSpiffy: | that's supposed to be the one that works in linux |
| [21:58:00] | cyberknet: | motherfscker! |
| [21:58:00] | cyberknet: | it works. |
| [21:58:00] | cyberknet: | jonK: If you haven't already, give w a try |
| [21:58:00] | MrSpiffy: | I googled around on that for days – seems you have to use the x.org nvidia driver and certain settings in the conf |
| [21:58:00] | jonK: | cyber? |
| [21:58:00] | jonK: | i have different problem i think |
| [21:59:00] | jonK: | my tuners all detect if i remove 350 |
| [21:59:00] | cinix: | x.org nvidia driver? didn't know there was such a thing |
| [21:59:00] | MrSpiffy: | yep |
| [21:59:00] | Randall64: | "nv" |
| [21:59:00] | jonK: | but i will try |
| [21:59:00] | jonK: | .0.3.6w? |
| [21:59:00] | MrSpiffy: | that's what the archives say |
| [22:00:00] | MrSpiffy: | hit x.org's site and see if they have a driver posted for it |
| [22:00:00] | MrSpiffy: | it may fix your tv out problem |
| [22:00:00] | cinix: | oh I've been using the nvidia drivers + xfree86, i need to use nvtv to switch to TV mode |
| [22:00:00] | cinix: | and that's a BIG hack, I blame that really not my drivers |
| [22:00:00] | MrSpiffy: | nvtv? |
| [22:00:00] | cinix: | maybe I'll switch to x.org, one day. |
| [22:01:00] | cinix: | http://www.linux.lk/~chintana/review/knoppix/ . . . ots/nvtv.png |
| [22:02:00] | MrSpiffy: | cinix, here's something that may be usefull |
| [22:02:00] | MrSpiffy: | http://www.linuxjunior.org/yabbse/index.php?b . . . readid=10221 |
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| [22:05:00] | MrSpiffy: | this laptop has a neomagic – no tv out help for it |
| [22:05:00] | ** MrSpiffy is bumming ** | |
| [22:06:00] | cyberknet: | 0.6.3w |
| [22:06:00] | cyberknet: | yeah |
| [22:06:00] | cyberknet: | 0.6 didn't work for me at all |
| [22:06:00] | jonK: | 0.6? |
| [22:06:00] | cyberknet: | er... 0.3.6 |
| [22:07:00] | jonK: | ok will try, |
| [22:07:00] | cyberknet: | it might not help you at al |
| [22:07:00] | cyberknet: | I know you only got it working just today :| |
| [22:07:00] | jonK: | but you'res all good at this time? |
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| [22:07:00] | cyberknet: | both tuners showing beautiful pictures and sound |
| [22:07:00] | jonK: | nice |
| [22:07:00] | cyberknet: | very. |
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| [22:07:00] | jonK: | im trying to get the hd3000 to play nice now |
| [22:07:00] | cyberknet: | I'm very impressed with the picture quality. |
| [22:08:00] | kormoc: | cyberknet, yeah? |
| [22:08:00] | cyberknet: | kormoc: heh |
| [22:08:00] | cyberknet: | kormoc: yeah |
| [22:08:00] | kormoc: | :) |
| [22:08:00] | seven_six_two: | i know this isn't the right place, but I'm looking for a mainactor irc channel...anyone know of one? |
| [22:08:00] | cinix: | what's mainactor? |
| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [22:08:00] | cyberknet: | heh |
| [22:08:00] | cyberknet: | no idea what mainactor is |
| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | and why would we know? |
| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | pick another random channel |
| [22:09:00] | cyberknet: | kormoc: I'd show you the captures from the tuners on the 500 ... but then you might not want to buy the m179's =) |
| [22:09:00] | seven_six_two: | it's a video editing suite like kino and cinelerra |
| [22:09:00] | seven_six_two: | Beirdo: well both involve video |
| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | uh huh |
| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | sorry, we don't know.... |
| [22:10:00] | jonK: | he |
| [22:10:00] | cinix: | I don't think it's a peer directed project, probably nothign on this network |
| [22:10:00] | jonK: | don't mind him... he gets cranky in the afternoon if he doesn't get his nap |
| [22:10:00] | MrSpiffy: | is it nappy time already? |
| [22:10:00] | seven_six_two: | it's from a german company, not open sourced. I just thought I'd ask. thanks anyhow |
| [22:10:00] | cyberknet: | jonK: Oh, he did get his nap. This is him WITH a nap =) |
| [22:11:00] | cyberknet: | yeah, I really doubt that a non-oss program would have a support channel on this network. |
| [22:14:00] | seven_six_two: | that's too bad. + I'm trying to install it under mdk x86_64 so I think I'm in virgin territory |
| [22:14:00] | sphing: | anyone have a link to myth on an xbox |
| [22:15:00] | SteveHolt: | sphing: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv |
| [22:15:00] | kormoc: | cyberknet, so then the m179's are causing a bit of fuzz you think? |
| [22:16:00] | sphing: | ty |
| [22:16:00] | cyberknet: | kormoc: no, I removed another 3 way splitter |
| [22:16:00] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [22:17:00] | cyberknet: | always helpful =) |
| [22:17:00] | kormoc: | kk, so ya ready to sell then? :P |
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| [22:17:00] | cyberknet: | soon as I verify tonight in the frontend that I have myth talking with the tuners and everything is good. |
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| [22:20:00] | JohnnyST: | hi |
| [22:20:00] | JohnnyST: | Anyone have mythtv compiled on sarge? |
| [22:20:00] | JohnnyST: | the 0.18.1 version? |
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| [22:22:00] | SteveHolt: | there are precompiled deb packages for mythtv |
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| [22:23:00] | JohnnyST: | But thats for sid right? |
| [22:23:00] | SteveHolt: | don't they work for sarge? |
| [22:23:00] | SteveHolt: | I'm not sure, I run sid |
| [22:24:00] | JohnnyST: | nope. |
| [22:24:00] | JohnnyST: | I have it quite broken now when I tried to uppgrade :) |
| [22:25:00] | JohnnyST: | I guess I need to compile it.. |
| [22:25:00] | SteveHolt: | they should work in testing (etch?) if you want to upgrade |
| [22:25:00] | JohnnyST: | Yes thats one way though.. |
| [22:26:00] | JohnnyST: | Ill see perhaps I compile them on sarge.. |
| [22:26:00] | sphing: | SteveHolt: you have any experience with it? |
| [22:26:00] | JohnnyST: | WE should setup a compile system for it.. |
| [22:27:00] | SteveHolt: | sphing: with xbmcmythtv? alittle |
| [22:27:00] | sphing: | SteveHolt: are they worth modding my xbox? |
| [22:27:00] | SteveHolt: | modding your xbox is always worth it! :) |
| [22:28:00] | sphing: | someone told me you can soft mod it now |
| [22:28:00] | SteveHolt: | yeah, I don't think you need to mod it if you just want to run mythtv |
| [22:28:00] | SteveHolt: | you can try one of the xbox-linux projects |
| [22:29:00] | SteveHolt: | gentoox or xebian, maybe others |
| [22:29:00] | sphing: | as completely run from cd, without modding, so my live would still work? |
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| [22:30:00] | SteveHolt: | I'm not sure |
| [22:30:00] | SteveHolt: | I seem to remember there was a way to run xbox-linux without trashing your harddrive |
| [22:31:00] | SteveHolt: | if you want to do games though, I definitely recommend modding it |
| [22:31:00] | SteveHolt: | very worthwhile |
| [22:32:00] | TimmyJ_: | anyone know of a good (semi-newbie friendly) tutorial for installing ivtv and mythTV for a pvr-150 (or any other pvr-*50) on debian |
| [22:32:00] | jonK: | timmy, you were here earlier, and I asked what went wrong, |
| [22:33:00] | jonK: | i thought you'd been attacked by snakes or something |
| [22:34:00] | TimmyJ_: | i was here earlier |
| [22:34:00] | TimmyJ_: | i was trying to get it to work on ubuntu |
| [22:34:00] | jonK: | i just said that |
| [22:34:00] | TimmyJ_: | ...which failed |
| [22:34:00] | jonK: | i know |
| [22:34:00] | jonK: | and i responded that I have myth running on ubuntu just fine |
| [22:35:00] | jonK: | and asked what trouble you were having |
| [22:35:00] | jonK: | you said nothing |
| [22:35:00] | jonK: | i felt ignored |
| [22:35:00] | jonK: | it made me sad |
| [22:35:00] | TimmyJ_: | i answered |
| [22:35:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, I got ivtv all working and it detected my card...but configuring mythTV seems like a bitch and Ic ouldnt' find a really good up to date tutorila |
| [22:35:00] | TimmyJ_: | thats copy/pasted from what i told you earlier |
| [22:35:00] | jonK: | timmyj, lets not fihgt |
| [22:35:00] | TimmyJ_: | good idea |
| [22:35:00] | TimmyJ_: | i'm sorry |
| [22:35:00] | jonK: | how are you sure ivtv is working |
| [22:36:00] | Chutt2: | heh |
| [22:36:00] | Chutt2: | myth installs on ubuntu quite easily. |
| [22:36:00] | TimmyJ_: | when i look at dmesg it tells me that my pver-150 was detected |
| [22:36:00] | TimmyJ_: | pvr-150* |
| [22:37:00] | TimmyJ_: | ivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ==================== |
| [22:37:00] | TimmyJ_: | ivtv: version 0.3.6 (u) loading |
| [22:37:00] | TimmyJ_: | ivtv: Linux version: 2.6.10-5–386 preempt 386 gcc-3.3 |
| [22:37:00] | TimmyJ_: | ivtv: In case of problems please include the debug info |
| [22:37:00] | TimmyJ_: | ivtv: between the START INIT IVTV and END INIT IVTV lines when |
| [22:37:00] | TimmyJ_: | ivtv: mailing the ivtv-devel mailinglist. |
| [22:37:00] | TimmyJ_: | ivtv: Autodetected WinTV PVR 150 card |
| [22:37:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, i get that |
| [22:38:00] | ** Beirdo slaps TimmyJ_ with http://www.pastebin.ca ** | |
| [22:38:00] | jonK: | detecting it and having it configured properly are not the same thing |
| [22:38:00] | TimmyJ_: | :( |
| [22:38:00] | jonK: | far from it |
| [22:38:00] | jonK: | have you ever seen video from the card? |
| [22:38:00] | TimmyJ_: | no |
| [22:39:00] | TimmyJ_: | how would i w/out mythTV? |
| [22:39:00] | jonK: | how much are you willing to bet that it' |
| [22:39:00] | jonK: | lol |
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| [22:39:00] | jonK: | please post the whole start init ivtv to end init to pastebin.ca |
| [22:39:00] | TimmyJ_: | ok |
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| [22:41:00] | cyberknet: | jonK: how'd 0.3.6w go? |
| [22:41:00] | jonK: | i'm not going to try it until i get home |
| [22:41:00] | cyberknet: | oh, okay =) |
| [22:41:00] | jonK: | i've found the one's that dont work hang the box so hard it wont reboot |
| [22:41:00] | jonK: | i have to unplug |
| [22:41:00] | cyberknet: | oh wow. |
| [22:41:00] | jonK: | or power of power supply |
| [22:42:00] | cyberknet: | that's significant. |
| [22:42:00] | cyberknet: | I never had that trouble. |
| [22:42:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, http://pastebin.ca/16553 |
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| [22:44:00] | cyberknet: | firwmare read failed |
| [22:44:00] | cyberknet: | line 28 |
| [22:44:00] | cyberknet: | you need to get HcwMakoA.ROM |
| [22:45:00] | cyberknet: | using atrpms it is in package ivtv-firmware. You should also be able to obtain it from the driver cd. |
| [22:45:00] | jonK: | probably also need the ivtv-fw .bin files as well |
| [22:46:00] | cyberknet: | I think he has the encoder firmware |
| [22:46:00] | cyberknet: | line 31 seems to indicate he does |
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| [22:46:00] | tenletSlack10: | anyone alive |
| [22:46:00] | cyberknet: | but ... you've done a lot more of this 150/500 business than me Jon, I don't mean to question your judgment. |
| [22:47:00] | cyberknet: | tenletSlack10: wait a minute and find out, hey? |
| [22:47:00] | tenletSlack10: | hi |
| [22:47:00] | tenletSlack10: | well.. just have a quick question |
| [22:47:00] | cyberknet: | tenletSlack10: do you usually ask if anyone is alive before waiting to see if someone is? |
| [22:47:00] | tenletSlack10: | ok, just stfu now |
| [22:47:00] | cyberknet: | bzzzt. wrong answer. |
| [22:47:00] | tenletSlack10: | if u have nothing productive to say dont say shit |
| [22:48:00] | TimmyJ_: | i have ivtv-fw-enc.bin and ivtv-fw-dec.bin from the CD |
| [22:48:00] | cyberknet: | tenletSlack10: see, that really doesn't make me want to help you. |
| [22:48:00] | tenletSlack10: | that's great, then don't |
| [22:49:00] | tenletSlack10: | do you enjoy arguments? |
| [22:49:00] | Beirdo: | tenletSlack10: lose the attitude if you want any help |
| [22:49:00] | jonK: | yep... |
| [22:49:00] | tenletSlack10: | Beirdo: I come in and he gives me an attitude, why aren't you saying anything to him? |
| [22:49:00] | jonK: | menaing, he has firmware |
| [22:50:00] | jonK: | timmy you need another file from teh cd |
| [22:50:00] | jonK: | HwMAK somthing |
| [22:50:00] | cyberknet: | tenletSlack10: because I am a regular, dipshit. |
| [22:50:00] | jonK: | copy it to /lib/modules/ |
| [22:50:00] | Beirdo: | if you wanted to know if anyone was alive, all you had to do is wait more than 4s before typing in a new channel |
| [22:50:00] | cyberknet: | Beirdo: all he had to do was wait ONE second. he couldn't even do that. |
| [22:50:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, if you actually have a question, go for it, maybe someone will help |
| [22:51:00] | tenletSlack10: | Beirdo: Would you have said anything if I hadn't had an "attitude"? No, therefore i would not know that you were here, would I? |
| [22:51:00] | tenletSlack10: | cyberknet: You being a regular gives you the right to give other people attitudes? |
| [22:51:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, what do I need to get from the CD now? and how do I do it :( |
| [22:51:00] | Beirdo: | blah blah blah |
| [22:51:00] | cyberknet: | tenletSlack10: me being a regular gives me the right to ask you to behave. I would appreciate it if you would please start. |
| [22:52:00] | tenletSlack10: | Lol |
| [22:52:00] | cyberknet: | *shrug*. do it your way. see how far you get. |
| [22:52:00] | tenletSlack10: | cyberknet: I was misbehaving because I didn't wait to see how many people were not afk in the channel? |
| [22:52:00] | cyberknet: | tenletSlack10: yes. |
| [22:53:00] | tenletSlack10: | cyberknet: No |
| [22:53:00] | Beirdo: | tenletSlack10: you have a question, or are you just here to be an ass? |
| [22:53:00] | tenletSlack10: | i HAD a question |
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| [22:53:00] | tenletSlack10: | i think i'll just see other peoples' questions now |
| [22:54:00] | Beirdo: | whatever then |
| [22:54:00] | SteveHolt: | tenletSlack10: tease |
| [22:54:00] | jonK: | you had a question, meaning now you're just interested in being an ass? |
| [22:54:00] | jonK: | or you no longer have a question? |
| [22:54:00] | tenletSlack10: | jonK: Re-read what i typed, maybe you will figure out what I said |
| [22:54:00] | Beirdo: | jeez, we have a live dipshit today |
| [22:55:00] | tenletSlack10: | a live dipshit because jonK can't read? |
| [22:55:00] | tenletSlack10: | he was trying to be a "dipshit" to me so i told him to read what i said |
| [22:55:00] | Beirdo: | lose the attitude or get bent, OK? |
| [22:55:00] | tenletSlack10: | i don't get you Beirdo, he was being rude to me in the first place and then i say something back to get him to shut up and then you tell me that im being a dipshit,lol, i don't understand how this channel works i guess |
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| [22:56:00] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [22:56:00] | cyberknet: | invisible! |
| [22:56:00] | cyberknet: | =) |
| [22:56:00] | tenletSlack10: | beirdo, boot me, i'll send this log so fast to a mythTV dev and you'll be gone, the way you respond is quite ridiculous |
| [22:57:00] | Beirdo: | Jeez, retard |
| [22:57:00] | tenletSlack10: | this is a mythTV channel, not a place to act with seniority |
| [22:57:00] | Beirdo: | most of the devs are here witnissing it |
| [22:57:00] | jonK: | careful, he has powers |
| [22:57:00] | Beirdo: | witnessing it |
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| [22:57:00] | tenletSlack10: | that's great for you isnt it then |
| [22:57:00] | TimmyJ_: | so the weather was pretty nice today |
| [22:58:00] | TimmyJ_: | well...where i live |
| [22:58:00] | tenletSlack10: | all i have to worry about is a developer of mythTV having some common sense |
| [22:58:00] | Beirdo: | if you can't be here more than a minute without telling people rto STFU, etc... maybe you should come back when your panties aren't in a knot |
| [22:58:00] | ** TimmyJ_ desperately tries to change the tone of this channel ** | |
| [22:58:00] | tenletSlack10: | see, there you go again Beirdo, ignoring both sides of the argument |
| [22:58:00] | tenletSlack10: | i hadn't said anything rude, in fact, i ignored cyberknets first rude comment |
| [22:59:00] | tenletSlack10: | then i told him to "just stfu", sorry, if you can't handle that |
| [22:59:00] | jonK: | so you should get some slack for being a complete jackhole since that/ |
| [22:59:00] | jonK: | right? |
| [22:59:00] | Chutt2: | how bout you all just shut the fuck up and return this channel to its usual state? |
| [22:59:00] | ChanServ sets mode +o Beirdo | |
| [22:59:00] | jonK: | im wiht you telnet! you're being wronged, maligned! |
| [22:59:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:59:00] | tenletSlack10: | you getting into the argument and furthering the problem is your problem jonK |
| [22:59:00] | Chutt2: | works better |
| [23:00:00] | tenletSlack10: | jonK: Lol, im being maligned, that's it, remember how i was saying that??? ha |
| [23:00:00] | Beirdo: | you got a question, tenletSlack10? |
| [23:00:00] | tenletSlack10: | sure i'll ask it |
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| [23:00:00] | ** kormoc cowers in the courner hoping Chutt's wrath isn't brought about. ** | |
| [23:00:00] | tenletSlack10: | Beirdo: Running mythTV on slack10 |
| [23:00:00] | Beirdo sets mode -o Beirdo | |
| [23:01:00] | tenletSlack10: | extracted it |
| [23:01:00] | tenletSlack10: | then did a configure |
| [23:01:00] | Chutt2: | kormoc, it'd be too much work right now |
| [23:01:00] | tenletSlack10: | then tried to build it |
| [23:01:00] | Beirdo: | so far so good |
| [23:01:00] | tenletSlack10: | g++ -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib/qt/lib -o settings -L/usr/lib/qt/lib -lqt-mt -lXext -lX11 -lm |
| [23:01:00] | tenletSlack10: | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-slackware-linux/3.3.4/../../../../i486-slackware-linux/bin /ld: cannot find -lXext |
| [23:01:00] | tenletSlack10: | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| [23:01:00] | tenletSlack10: | make: *** [settings] Error 1 |
| [23:01:00] | kormoc: | Chutt2, just a +m and it all goes away... :P |
| [23:01:00] | tenletSlack10: | is what i get when trying to build |
| [23:02:00] | Chutt2: | yeah, but i'd have to kill my other instance |
| [23:02:00] | Beirdo: | sounds like you are missing some X development libs |
| [23:02:00] | Chutt2: | no, he's not missing x libs |
| [23:02:00] | tenletSlack10: | i reconfigured |
| [23:02:00] | Chutt2: | he didn't read the docs |
| [23:02:00] | tenletSlack10: | still, same problem |
| [23:02:00] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [23:02:00] | tenletSlack10: | chutt, lol... |
| [23:02:00] | kormoc: | Chutt2, that's what nickserv grouping is for, multiple nicks under one master account. |
| [23:02:00] | Chutt2: | no, i'm serious |
| [23:02:00] | tenletSlack10: | i actually spent 2 hours reading the HOWTO's |
| [23:02:00] | Beirdo: | OK, read the docs again more carefully |
| [23:02:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, any suggestions on how i'd fix whatever is wrong w/ my ivtv? |
| [23:02:00] | Chutt2: | you did the qmake step wrong |
| [23:02:00] | tenletSlack10: | it was basically |
| [23:02:00] | tenletSlack10: | no |
| [23:03:00] | tenletSlack10: | i did qmake mythtv.pro |
| [23:03:00] | tenletSlack10: | that was it |
| [23:03:00] | Chutt2: | nope, you didn't |
| [23:03:00] | tenletSlack10: | yes i did |
| [23:03:00] | Beirdo: | don't argue with the man, tenletSlack10. |
| [23:03:00] | kormoc: | tenletSlack10, just for your info, Chutt2 is the main dev of myth... |
| [23:03:00] | cyberknet: | Quick. Go tell a mythtv dev on Chutt =) |
| [23:03:00] | Chutt2: | see the 'settings' in that line you pasted? |
| [23:03:00] | Chutt2: | you get that if you don't do the qmake mythtv.pro bit |
| [23:03:00] | tenletSlack10: | lol |
| [23:03:00] | jonK: | timmy did you add the HWmak file? |
| [23:03:00] | ** Beirdo chuckles ** | |
| [23:03:00] | jonK: | that we suggested |
| [23:03:00] | tenletSlack10: | ok chutt, you got me on that one |
| [23:03:00] | Chutt2: | and _only_ if you don't do that step |
| [23:03:00] | tenletSlack10: | i had to re=enter qmake |
| [23:03:00] | Beirdo: | I missed the -o settings :) |
| [23:03:00] | tenletSlack10: | i had done it before |
| [23:04:00] | Beirdo: | see, tenletSlack10... ask the question, and you get help :) |
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| [23:04:00] | tenletSlack10: | Bierdo :) |
| [23:04:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, oops! didn't even see that sorry |
| [23:05:00] | tenletSlack10: | beirdo: Do they allow IP Spoofing on this chan/serv? |
| [23:06:00] | Beirdo: | you'd have to go look at the network's policy page |
| [23:06:00] | tenletSlack10: | so you don't know? |
| [23:06:00] | mishehu: | of course Beirdo knows, he just doesn't want to tell you. |
| [23:06:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, I just copied HcwMakoA.ROM to /lib/modules.....do I modprobe ivtv again now? |
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| [23:07:00] | tenletSlack10: | hm, ok |
| [23:12:00] | jonK: | yes timmy |
| [23:12:00] | jonK: | but firs rmmod ivtv |
| [23:12:00] | jonK: | remove module, then add it again |
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| [23:12:00] | jonK: | then to see if you have video type cat /dev/video0 > mplayer |
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| [23:14:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, I don't have a /dev/video0 |
| [23:16:00] | jonK: | did you modprobe again/ |
| [23:17:00] | jonK: | do you have any video? do ls -l /dev/vid* |
| [23:18:00] | TimmyJ_: | I lied..I do have a /dev/video0...but when i cat /dev/video0 > mplayer nothing happens |
| [23:18:00] | TimmyJ_: | no errors or anything...just nothing happens |
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| [23:19:00] | TimmyJ_: | i also have video24 and video32 in /dev....if that means anything |
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| [23:25:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, if I were to switch to debian..would there be any easier way to do this (through packages or something) I have a feeling I'm way off getting this to work |
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| [23:27:00] | jonK: | for ivtv, no you need to get it working |
| [23:27:00] | jonK: | and ubuntu as packages for myth .017 |
| [23:27:00] | jonK: | post the dmesg again |
| [23:27:00] | TimmyJ_: | yea that what i installed |
| [23:27:00] | jonK: | that works, but you need a working ivtv module for your 150 |
| [23:28:00] | jonK: | wait |
| [23:28:00] | TimmyJ_: | k |
| [23:28:00] | jonK: | do |
| [23:28:00] | jonK: | cat /dev/video0 | mplayer |
| [23:28:00] | jonK: | not > |
| [23:29:00] | xris: | jonK: no |.... just `mplayer /dev/video0` |
| [23:29:00] | xris: | I was never able to do it with | |
| [23:30:00] | TimmyJ_: | didn't work....I don't think, gave a whole bunch of output |
| [23:31:00] | jonK: | that's a good sign though... at least it's alive |
| [23:31:00] | TimmyJ_: | want me to post what it spat out? |
| [23:31:00] | jonK: | thnks xris, i always do it with two steps |
| [23:31:00] | jonK: | and am never sure about the single |
| [23:31:00] | jonK: | no, post dmesg |
| [23:32:00] | jonK: | for modprobe ivtv |
| [23:32:00] | jonK: | after you removed |
| [23:32:00] | jonK: | also, did you create an alias for the device in the modprobe.d direcotry? |
| [23:34:00] | TimmyJ_: | not that i know of...i followed a tutorial word for word, we did make /etc/modutils/ivtv and put a few alias's in there :P |
| [23:34:00] | jonK: | what did you put in there |
| [23:34:00] | jonK: | and do rmmod ivtv |
| [23:34:00] | jonK: | modprobe ivtv |
| [23:34:00] | TimmyJ_: | alias char-major-81 videodev |
| [23:34:00] | TimmyJ_: | alias char-major-81–0 ivtv (those 2 lines are what are in my /etc/modutils/ivtv) |
| [23:34:00] | jonK: | and post dmesg |
| [23:34:00] | jonK: | that should be all you need |
| [23:35:00] | TimmyJ_: | k |
| [23:35:00] | jonK: | but move it to /etc/modprobe.d |
| [23:35:00] | TimmyJ_: | mv what? |
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| [23:35:00] | jonK: | at least that's where I have it, may work elsewhre |
| [23:35:00] | jonK: | the ivtv file |
| [23:35:00] | TimmyJ_: | ok |
| [23:35:00] | jonK: | mv /etc/modutils/ivtv to /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| [23:35:00] | iznogood: | Is there a good reason, mythtv logs into my "dmesg" log-output? |
| [23:37:00] | GeckoFiend: | iznogood it doesn't |
| [23:38:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, my dmesg has a LOT of lines that say "ivtv: ENC Stream 0 OVERFLOW #4822: Stealing a Buffer, 512 currently allocated" now |
| [23:38:00] | iznogood: | it outputs in my dmesg the following: |
| [23:38:00] | iznogood: | cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! |
| [23:38:00] | GeckoFiend: | that's NOT myth |
| [23:39:00] | kormoc: | that's the kernel reporting a error reading the cdrom. |
| [23:39:00] | GeckoFiend: | myth outputs to stdio/stderr unless you give it a filename to output to |
| [23:39:00] | jonK: | hmm.. |
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| [23:40:00] | iznogood: | But normally |
| [23:40:00] | iznogood: | I won't be getting these message |
| [23:40:00] | jonK: | timmy, is there teh "start ivtv init" lines like you had before |
| [23:40:00] | iznogood: | like a 100 times |
| [23:40:00] | kormoc: | iznogood, what are you tring to do? |
| [23:40:00] | iznogood: | nothing |
| [23:40:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, http://pastebin.ca/16563 |
| [23:40:00] | TimmyJ_: | the firmware loaded this time...that has to be good! |
| [23:40:00] | iznogood: | just starting mythtv triggers about 100 of these messages |
| [23:40:00] | kormoc: | iznogood, nothing with the cdrom? |
| [23:40:00] | iznogood: | just starting mythtv |
| [23:41:00] | iznogood: | It also triggers usb_storage activity |
| [23:42:00] | iznogood: | I know for shure, mythtv triggers it, because I reloaded a module, to get some other info into dmesg |
| [23:42:00] | jonK: | timmy i note the firmware version you're using, it came from your cd? |
| [23:42:00] | iznogood: | then started mythtv, and then rightaway the messages came into dmesg |
| [23:42:00] | TimmyJ_: | Jonkit came from the cd |
| [23:42:00] | iznogood: | (Not the logfile /var/log/dmesg, but output of the program "dmesg") |
| [23:43:00] | jonK: | everything else looks fine, mpalyer /dev/video0 gives nothing? |
| [23:43:00] | TimmyJ_: | it gives a lot |
| [23:43:00] | TimmyJ_: | just no video ;) |
| [23:43:00] | GeckoFiend: | iznogood Myth monitors removable media. |
| [23:43:00] | jonK: | snow? |
| [23:43:00] | jonK: | or black lines |
| [23:44:00] | jonK: | might as well try changing the firmware |
| [23:44:00] | TimmyJ_: | no, mplayer doesn't even open a window |
| [23:44:00] | TimmyJ_: | i should not i didn't have mplayer installed that I just got it a few minutes ago |
| [23:44:00] | TimmyJ_: | note* |
| [23:44:00] | TimmyJ_: | do i need to set it up at all? |
| [23:44:00] | iznogood: | Ah ok, and then the kernel probably logs this? |
| [23:44:00] | jonK: | not that i'm aware of |
| [23:45:00] | jonK: | try chaning firmware to the other version |
| [23:45:00] | TimmyJ_: | how would i go about doin that? |
| [23:45:00] | jonK: | ivtv.sourceforge.net --> wiki --> firmware |
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| [23:45:00] | jonK: | you'll find a table of versions |
| [23:45:00] | jonK: | one with *** |
| [23:45:00] | jonK: | grab that |
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| [23:46:00] | jonK: | use ivtvfwextract.pl |
| [23:46:00] | jonK: | to open it |
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| [23:47:00] | TimmyJ_: | pvr48wdm_1.8.22037.exe*** |
| [23:47:00] | TimmyJ_: | that? |
| [23:48:00] | TimmyJ_: | that looks like its for the pvr-250/350 though...is it the same? |
| [23:49:00] | jonK: | yes |
| [23:49:00] | jonK: | use that |
| [23:49:00] | TimmyJ_: | I dl'd it to my home folder |
| [23:49:00] | TimmyJ_: | move it into /lib/modules? |
| [23:49:00] | jonK: | no |
| [23:49:00] | TimmyJ_: | oh |
| [23:50:00] | jonK: | run ivtvextract.pl pvr.... |
| [23:50:00] | jonK: | ivtvfwextract.pl |
| [23:50:00] | jonK: | (i think) |
| [23:50:00] | TimmyJ_: | alright....now i just gotta remember where i put ivtvfwextract.pl |
| [23:53:00] | TimmyJ_: | I get this error when running sudo "./ivtvfwextract.pl pvr48wdm_1.8.22037.exe" |
| [23:53:00] | TimmyJ_: | ./ivtvfwextract.pl: Can't open /tmp/ivtvex/hcwpvrp2.sys: No such file or directory |
| [23:55:00] | jonK: | are both files in the same directory? |
| [23:55:00] | TimmyJ_: | yes |
| [23:55:00] | jonK: | unsure then |
| [23:55:00] | jonK: | anyone? |
| [23:57:00] | jonK: | wait... did you put quotes on the thing? |
| [23:58:00] | TimmyJ_: | lol no |
| [23:59:00] | jonK: | did you download the source? |
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| [23:59:00] | jonK: | for ivtv? |
| [23:59:00] | jonK: | are you in the ivtvutils directory? |
| [23:59:00] | jonK: | that is |
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