| Monday, June 27th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
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| [00:01:00] | JonK: | briand, you still here? |
| [00:01:00] | monsoon: | do you guys think that your parents would notice the difference between running winxp on a: 1. Duron 1.0ghz, 1g-sdram, or on a 2. P4 2.4ghz, 512rdram? |
| [00:02:00] | monsoon: | im giving my folks one of my machines, but havent decided which yet |
| [00:04:00] | darkfire: | nope |
| [00:04:00] | darkfire: | oh, winxp |
| [00:04:00] | monsoon: | yah |
| [00:04:00] | darkfire: | thought you said winamp |
| [00:04:00] | monsoon: | hehe |
| [00:04:00] | darkfire: | hrmm, all depends on what they do with it |
| [00:04:00] | darkfire: | if it's 1ghz, you'd need to secure the crap out of it, because one bit of adware would suck that up |
| [00:05:00] | darkfire: | course, that's kinda the rule for any windows box |
| [00:06:00] | darkfire: | provided your parents aren't hardcore gamers and want just an internet portal/typing machine, i'd say 1ghz would be fine |
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| [00:06:00] | mtjs: | hi |
| [00:06:00] | mtjs: | how can I make mythtv to halt on exit |
| [00:07:00] | mtjs: | backend and front are on same machine |
| [00:07:00] | mtjs: | thanx |
| [00:07:00] | darkfire: | run "mythfrontend && halt" |
| [00:07:00] | mtjs: | and if I don't want it alwaus to exit ? |
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| [00:13:00] | monsoon: | which machine would be a better performer for a mythtv box? 1. Duron 1.0ghz, 1g-sdram, or on a 2. P4 2.4ghz, 512rdram? |
| [00:14:00] | darkfire: | using PVR-XXXs, or other cards? |
| [00:14:00] | monsoon: | yah a pvr-150 |
| [00:14:00] | darkfire: | they'd be the same, provided you dont do much MAME or other emulation with myth-games |
| [00:15:00] | darkfire: | afaik, 1ghz is more than enough to run just the mythbackend and frontend using hardware encoding |
| [00:16:00] | monsoon: | hmm ok, I wonder in that case if I should keep the p4 since the mobo has 4 ide ports (thus more harddrive space) |
| [00:16:00] | monsoon: | though ide harddrives are so cheap now |
| [00:17:00] | monsoon: | hrmm this is difficult to decide which to keep and which to give to folks |
| [00:17:00] | darkfire: | ::shrug:: ya gotta think about what you want to do upgrade wise |
| [00:17:00] | monsoon: | i guess as far as harddrive space if I upgrade Ill just get one big drive |
| [00:18:00] | darkfire: | if you just want to upgrade space, that's fine, you need IDE ports. if you want to upgrade the number of myth boxes you have, then that leaves you the option to buy another backend later, and use the 1ghz as just a frontend |
| [00:18:00] | darkfire: | and 2 ide ports gives you enough for 3 HDs and a cd rom, which is easily 600gb of space. |
| [00:19:00] | darkfire: | well, total, probably 550ish gb of storage |
| [00:19:00] | monsoon: | which for me alone is enough |
| [00:19:00] | darkfire: | yup |
| [00:19:00] | darkfire is now known as darkshoppin | |
| [00:19:00] | monsoon: | hrmm damn this is making the whole decision tougher... since its almost the same performance for what I want to do and what parents will do |
| [00:20:00] | monsoon: | what would you do if you were going to keep one only for mythtv |
| [00:20:00] | monsoon: | which I use for music as well as video |
| [00:20:00] | darkshoppin: | i'd keep the duron if is was only for myth |
| [00:21:00] | darkshoppin: | 1ghz will run XP, but not a lot of headroom there |
| [00:21:00] | darkshoppin: | anyhow, i'm off |
| [00:21:00] | monsoon: | ok thats what I have myth on now, so it'll make it simpler anyways |
| [00:21:00] | monsoon: | thanks darkshoppin |
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| [00:38:00] | Esotericisms: | any news when the next myth is due out? |
| [00:39:00] | xris: | Esotericisms: probably not for awhile. |
| [00:39:00] | xris: | last I heard, isaac wanted to do some core UI/API redesigns. |
| [00:41:00] | monsoon: | Just getting as many opinions as possible if you folks dont mind too much: which machine would be a better performer for a mythtv box? 1. Duron 1.0ghz, 1g-sdram, msi-k7t-turbo2 board, or on a 2. P4 2.4ghz, 512rdram, gigabyte-p4titan533 board? |
| [00:44:00] | xris: | monsoon: what type of tuner card? what type of video output? |
| [00:44:00] | monsoon: | oh sorry a pvr-150 |
| [00:44:00] | xris: | doesn't really matter. |
| [00:45:00] | xris: | duron would be a little slow for transcoding.. depends on what you want out of it, though. |
| [00:46:00] | monsoon: | xris: so in all the p4 would do a little better in at least that area? |
| [00:47:00] | xris: | probably twice as fast. |
| [00:47:00] | monsoon: | what is transcoding :) |
| [00:47:00] | xris: | since it video encoding for the most part goes on raw mhz. |
| [00:48:00] | xris: | transcoding — converting from one video format to another. |
| [00:48:00] | xris: | so the pvr-150 encode in mpeg2, but say you're like me and like to archive stuff, so I encode to xvid with nuvexport. |
| [00:48:00] | monsoon: | hmm Im not much of an archiver actually |
| [00:48:00] | xris: | incidentally, my mythbox is a 2.4G p4 with 512M of RAM. |
| [00:48:00] | monsoon: | oh hehe |
| [00:49:00] | JonK: | my front end is a 2.4 p4 with 256 |
| [00:49:00] | xris: | if all you want to do is record/watch tv, then by all means save money and get something slower/cheaper. |
| [00:49:00] | monsoon: | i wont be transcoding at all |
| [00:49:00] | JonK: | and the backend is a 2.2 athlon xp with 256 |
| [00:49:00] | monsoon: | oh I already have both machines, Im just going to give one of them away |
| [00:49:00] | xris: | then by all means keep the better one. :) |
| [00:49:00] | darkshoppin: | monsoon, did i ever give you that mailing address? ;) |
| [00:50:00] | monsoon: | xris: but thats the thing which is better? since the duron board actually has more ram, and the p4 ram costs a lot to upgrade |
| [00:50:00] | monsoon: | rdram |
| [00:51:00] | xris: | if *all* you want to do with it is run mythtv for watching/recording, either machine will work, since the pvr-150 does all of the work in that area. |
| [00:51:00] | Ashlar: | anyone know where the enum for kState_* is in the myth code? (parsing the httstatus xml) |
| [00:52:00] | xris: | If you think that maybe you'll want to do HD someday, or something else like that, you'll want the p4 since the duron won't cut it for HD. |
| [00:52:00] | monsoon: | hrmm ok |
| [00:53:00] | xris: | pretty much need at least 2ghz for HD. |
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| [00:53:00] | xris: | and a GOOD video card (meaning, not an ATI — there's a driver issue that screws up 1080+ content) |
| [00:53:00] | JonK: | what about needing an hdtv? |
| [00:54:00] | xris: | (put it this way — my dual athlon mp 1900+ can *barely* play HD content if I run myth as root with nice -n -10) |
| [00:54:00] | monsoon: | i wont be playing hd with either machine |
| [00:54:00] | xris: | JonK: that, too. I don't have one of those, but my 19" monitor is a good testbed. |
| [00:54:00] | xris: | monsoon: then it really is up to you. |
| [00:54:00] | JonK: | I've been eyeing a plasma screen for a while now.... |
| [00:55:00] | xris: | 512M of RAM is *plenty* for a mythbox, though. |
| [00:55:00] | monsoon: | damn, that makes it tough :) hehe |
| [00:55:00] | JonK: | if i ever get all of this working flawlessly , i may go get one |
| [00:55:00] | xris: | JonK: you're a lawyer, aren't you supposed to have tons of money for goodies like that? ;) |
| [00:55:00] | JonK: | umm... I have 4 tuner cards right now... |
| [00:55:00] | JonK: | what do you think? |
| [00:55:00] | ** xris would have spare money, but has a house instead. ** | |
| [00:56:00] | garion: | Got a transcoding Q... How long to transcode a 3 hour prg from pvr150 mpeg to DIVx on a via 10000? |
| [00:56:00] | JonK: | there is some disposable income available |
| [00:56:00] | xris: | garion: resolution makes a big difference there. as does source and target bitrate. |
| [00:56:00] | JonK: | :) |
| [00:57:00] | garion: | xris: 480x480, say 22000 bitrate to Divx same. |
| [00:57:00] | xris: | garion: 24 hours? |
| [00:57:00] | garion: | Oh boy. |
| [00:57:00] | garion: | heh |
| [00:57:00] | xris: | turn off noise reduction, it'll go faster. |
| [00:57:00] | xris: | but seriously, that's just a guess. |
| [00:58:00] | garion: | I'm movingcross couintry, but wanna record basketball games.. |
| [00:58:00] | garion: | So I'm going to leave a mythbox at my parnets. |
| [00:58:00] | garion: | But transfering 6G at 40kbs..... |
| [00:58:00] | garion: | 40Kbps that is. |
| [00:58:00] | garion: | Would take far too long. |
| [00:59:00] | xris: | I run 720x480 pvr-150 about 4000 bitrate down to 624x468 (don't ask, it just comes out to about that) xvid... takes about 4 hours to do two passes of xvid at 960kbps. |
| [00:59:00] | xris: | results in about 350 megs per hour (minus commercials) |
| [01:00:00] | Ashlar: | garion: you could use the mythstreamtv plugin to watch from wherever |
| [01:00:00] | ** xris still needs to look into adding official support for that. ** | |
| [01:00:00] | garion: | Ashlar: over a cable modem even? with only 40Kbps upload? |
| [01:01:00] | Ashlar: | garion: yah, does _okay_ when you cut the video size / rate down and use like divx |
| [01:01:00] | Ashlar: | xris: yah, it could use some of your UI / integration foo |
| [01:02:00] | garion: | Hmm. |
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| [01:02:00] | garion: | could I stream and record at the same time? |
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| [01:03:00] | Ashlar: | yup, it's just a bolt-on with vlc, not involving real 'mythtv' stuff |
| [01:03:00] | garion: | Hmm.. I might have to play with that. |
| [01:03:00] | garion: | If I have time. |
| [01:03:00] | garion: | (trying to prep house for sale... *sigh*) |
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| [01:07:00] | Chutt: | xris, i just made the trac post-commit script send notification emails =) |
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| [01:18:00] | xris: | Chutt: oh? send through trac, or just send to a generic list address? |
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| [01:23:00] | Chutt: | through trac |
| [01:24:00] | Chutt: | i did hardcode the url for it, though |
| [01:25:00] | Chutt: | notify script wants the href/abs_href values in the environment filled in |
| [01:25:00] | Chutt: | didn't want to make the script have to parse the config file |
| [01:26:00] | slide: | i played a video and now i cant exit out of it |
| [01:26:00] | slide: | i should just be able to hit exit right? |
| [01:27:00] | JonK: | sounds like the twilight zone |
| [01:27:00] | slide: | er rather esc |
| [01:27:00] | JonK: | or a clapper commercial |
| [01:27:00] | JonK: | help I'm watching tv... |
| [01:32:00] | xris: | Chutt: I'll have to grab it and see if the trac devs want to improve the fixes and apply them — it's been a much-requested feature. |
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| [01:34:00] | hytll: | hey, is this the right place to ask about cable tv reception problems? |
| [01:36:00] | xris: | hytll: that would probably best be solved by calling your cable provider. |
| [01:36:00] | hytll: | xris: its just on my tv tuner card |
| [01:37:00] | xris: | then it's not a reception problem. |
| [01:37:00] | xris: | bad tuner, bad splitter, etc. |
| [01:37:00] | hytll: | i get banding, and static with my bttv card. It's detected fine though |
| [01:37:00] | hytll: | i have a splitter that goes to my cablemodem and tv tuner. the cablemodem works fine, so i assume that it's being split ok |
| [01:37:00] | xris: | using cable vs us-bcast frequency? |
| [01:37:00] | hytll: | (is that a safe assumption?) |
| [01:37:00] | xris: | no |
| [01:37:00] | hytll: | us cable |
| [01:38:00] | xris: | cable modem might not be filtered. |
| [01:38:00] | hytll: | hm |
| [01:38:00] | xris: | data could cause video interference. |
| [01:38:00] | xris: | depends on when your house was wired. |
| [01:38:00] | hytll: | its an apartment |
| [01:38:00] | xris: | newer installations don't matter. older ones, they pulled separate lines, and put a filter on one of them. |
| [01:39:00] | xris: | does a tv work fine when you plug it in instead of the tuner card? |
| [01:39:00] | hytll: | xris: i have one cable line that's split 4 times |
| [01:40:00] | hytll: | it would be difficult to check that, but i guess i should |
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| [01:40:00] | JonK: | I have the same, and i think i need an amp for it |
| [01:40:00] | xris: | hytll: 4 splits can be a problem |
| [01:40:00] | hytll: | i have a split with a tv and another splitter |
| [01:40:00] | hytll: | 2nd split gets a cablemodem and a tv |
| [01:40:00] | JonK: | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 110266394546 |
| [01:41:00] | hytll: | and there's a split before that (i think) for TV and splitter |
| [01:41:00] | xris: | sounds like too many splitters to me. |
| [01:41:00] | JonK: | would this help? |
| [01:41:00] | ** xris doesn't really know anything about tv signals, though. ** | |
| [01:41:00] | ** xris pokes Beirdo and mchou ** | |
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| [01:41:00] | JonK: | beirdo has 2 inline amplifiers, if i recall |
| [01:42:00] | hytll: | JonK: probably. in my old house, the comcast person came out and gave me a nice splitter |
| [01:42:00] | hytll: | JonK: i have the 2-way version of that |
| [01:42:00] | JonK: | with the input adaper? for 12v DC? |
| [01:43:00] | hytll: | no input adapter |
| [01:43:00] | hytll: | just 1 in, 2 out |
| [01:43:00] | hytll: | the part that confuses me though is that the cablemodem works fine, and it's on the same level of splits as the tv tuner |
| [01:43:00] | JonK: | this is different |
| [01:43:00] | hytll: | i assumed that the cablemodem would be most sensitive |
| [01:44:00] | hytll: | the only channel i get clearly is PAX:( |
| [01:44:00] | hytll: | hehe |
| [01:44:00] | JonK: | what more you need? |
| [01:44:00] | ** JonK looking left--right-- not thinking about spice channel ** | |
| [01:44:00] | hytll: | i'll do some debugging and call comcast for another adapter if needed |
| [01:44:00] | hytll: | thanx for the help |
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| [01:45:00] | ** xris will just stick with Dish... nice pretty dish, and cheaper than cable (at least in seattle) ** | |
| [01:47:00] | xris: | then again, I probably pay twice as much as you guys do for internet access. |
| [01:47:00] | lito: | hey everyone, quick question I found this in the mailing list archive, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . code;#134879 I was wondering if there is any work around to get the dvd import function to work. Thanks |
| [01:54:00] | JonK: | lot of downloads xris? |
| [01:55:00] | xris: | ? |
| [01:55:00] | JonK: | " i pay twice as much as you guys for internet access" |
| [01:55:00] | xris: | no, sysadmin-class DSL... reverse dns, static IP's, permission to host. |
| [01:55:00] | JonK: | what part of the country? |
| [01:55:00] | xris: | costs me about $90/month, but saves over $100 in hosting fees. :) |
| [01:55:00] | xris: | seattle |
| [01:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | My ISP just doubled the download speeds. Can't say I've noticed much yet :) |
| [01:56:00] | JonK: | and a dialtone? |
| [01:56:00] | xris: | no dialtone. though I do pay about $30/month for the dialtoneless setup and voip. |
| [01:57:00] | xris: | need some kind of phone service to save myself $10/month for two extra dish tuners. |
| [01:58:00] | JonK: | i had a qwest DSL for years, with static IP, rDNS and hosting with a non qwest ISP |
| [01:58:00] | JonK: | but had to pay for the damned phone line |
| [01:58:00] | xris: | I use speakeasy |
| [01:58:00] | xris: | best ISP I've ever used. |
| [01:58:00] | xris: | worth the cost. |
| [01:58:00] | JonK: | i can't tell you how many "tech" people at qwest who tried to say DSL would not work if i didnt't have a dialtone |
| [01:58:00] | xris: | actually, that kind doesn't. |
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| [01:59:00] | JonK: | then they finally came out with dialtone free DSL — 2 months after I moved to texas |
| [01:59:00] | xris: | but it's a limitation of their hardware, not dsl itself. |
| [01:59:00] | JonK: | not even of their hardware |
| [01:59:00] | JonK: | they just convinced the public service commision |
| [01:59:00] | JonK: | that they had to give a dial tone for "Customer service" |
| [01:59:00] | xris: | odd. they had to physically change my wires when I switched to the "one link" stuff from speakeasy. |
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| [02:00:00] | JonK: | jesus — dialtone is in a 3300 KILO hz span of bandwith |
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| [02:00:00] | Ashlar: | <-- verizon employee.. VZ saying no DSL without dialtone was utter BS.. you have to complain LOUDLY to get it from us |
| [02:00:00] | JonK: | DSL operates way above, and at much higher cycling |
| [02:00:00] | xris: | but if their hardware requires multiplexing... |
| [02:01:00] | JonK: | i know... i yelled for years but got noware with qwest |
| [02:01:00] | JonK: | nowhere |
| [02:01:00] | xris: | qwest sucks. |
| [02:01:00] | JonK: | and rather than do the same dance with SBC I just went cable |
| [02:01:00] | JonK: | but the isp i used Xmission — fantastic |
| [02:01:00] | xris: | cable would be nice.. but no allowing me to run my own servers. |
| [02:01:00] | Ashlar: | when we were in Austin, saved $50/month after 1month of escalating / yelling / sending letters |
| [02:01:00] | JonK: | I have a small cable company, so far they have not cared |
| [02:02:00] | xris: | that's nice. I'm stuck with comcast if I want it here. |
| [02:03:00] | xris: | and they're at least as bad as qwerst |
| [02:03:00] | JonK: | oh i think the two were in a running fight for who pissed me off more |
| [02:04:00] | xris: | well, hence my desire to avoid both of them. |
| [02:04:00] | slide: | Can anyone tell me if this would be an ok card to get? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . ME:B:EF:US:1 |
| [02:04:00] | xris: | speakeasy handles both my voip and my internet now. |
| [02:05:00] | xris: | slide: what kind of card is it? doesn't seem to say. |
| [02:05:00] | JonK: | slide why do this and not a hardware encoder? |
| [02:05:00] | slide: | xris, yea i couldnt see either =\ |
| [02:05:00] | JonK: | sure it does: it says package includes" " |
| [02:05:00] | JonK: | TV/Video cpature card |
| [02:05:00] | xris: | spend the $10 more and get a pvr-150 |
| [02:05:00] | slide: | JonK, i dunno heh |
| [02:05:00] | JonK: | what more you need to know? |
| [02:05:00] | JonK: | it's a TV and Video Capture card... |
| [02:05:00] | slide: | but will it work? heh |
| [02:06:00] | JonK: | slide, without knowing what kind of card it is, no idea |
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| [02:06:00] | JonK: | the "all-in-1" at the top may be a reference to ATI all in wonder... |
| [02:07:00] | JonK: | wait ... it does say "advanced philiips silicon tuner/video decoder" |
| [02:07:00] | JonK: | but xris is right, get the 140 |
| [02:07:00] | JonK: | 150 |
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| [02:28:00] | slide: | is the 150 MCE ok? |
| [02:28:00] | slide: | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . ageName=WDVW |
| [02:29:00] | slide: | or even http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . ageName=WD1V |
| [02:29:00] | slide: | whats the cable for in the that last auction? |
| [02:29:00] | JonK: | slide the 150mce is fine, |
| [02:29:00] | JonK: | you don't get a remote with it |
| [02:30:00] | JonK: | but you can get one at circuit city for cheap so the people say |
| [02:30:00] | slide: | yea and i see a remote on ebay for $1 |
| [02:31:00] | slide: | whats the cable on the second auction? a remote receiver? |
| [02:32:00] | slide: | and why are there 2 cable (coaxle??) inputs? |
| [02:32:00] | JonK: | see if you can find any 500's too |
| [02:32:00] | JonK: | one is for an fm radio |
| [02:32:00] | slide: | ah |
| [02:32:00] | JonK: | and it;s coaxial |
| [02:32:00] | slide: | ah heh ;) |
| [02:33:00] | slide: | whats better about the 500? |
| [02:33:00] | slide: | ah 2 tuners on it |
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| [02:37:00] | JohnnyQuest: | can anyone help me with changing the size of the output my video card sends to my tv? |
| [02:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | What kind of card is it ? |
| [02:39:00] | JohnnyQuest: | nvidia |
| [02:39:00] | JohnnyQuest: | geforce mx |
| [02:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | There is a TVOverScan value you can put in your X config file |
| [02:40:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
| [02:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or you can use the nvidia-settings app to change it |
| [02:40:00] | JohnnyQuest: | the image showing up on my tv is narrow.. |
| [02:40:00] | JohnnyQuest: | and too tall |
| [02:41:00] | JohnnyQuest: | also, i get a blue line on the top and left of the screen when playing live tv |
| [02:42:00] | mchou: | slide: why go ebay for that? dont you have circuit city? |
| [02:42:00] | JohnnyQuest: | cheaper on ebay? |
| [02:42:00] | quink: | any of you run on a widescreen tv? |
| [02:42:00] | mchou: | slide: you get the whole kaboodle for $60 after rebates (remote, irblaster,returns) |
| [02:43:00] | mchou: | JohnnyQuest: ebay is never "cheaper" if you figure in shipping. |
| [02:43:00] | mchou: | plus there is no "return" @ ebay :) |
| [02:44:00] | darkfire: | mchou, now now, never say never. i've found many things much cheaper on ebay |
| [02:44:00] | darkfire: | including shipping |
| [02:44:00] | darkfire: | and paypal/ebay have decent policies considering the venue. they paid me 175 for an amp that i bought that didnt work right, and i got to keep the amp |
| [02:44:00] | mchou: | I've never found jack cheaper on ebay, unless the seller was completely clueless. |
| [02:45:00] | darkfire: | ya gotta hit the high markup items that dont have a zipzoomfly for them yet ;) |
| [02:45:00] | mchou: | and there arent many clueless sellers :) |
| [02:46:00] | mchou: | darkfire: nope. I'd posit if you're buying an item under $100 shipping kills ya :) |
| [02:46:00] | mchou: | (on ebay) |
| [02:46:00] | darkfire: | sure, but this is the first time the $100 limit was mentioned |
| [02:46:00] | mchou: | big ticket items you're more likely to get a "deal" |
| [02:46:00] | darkfire: | ::nods:: |
| [02:46:00] | darkfire: | especially if it's stolen >;) |
| [02:46:00] | mchou: | pvr 150 is under $100 :) |
| [02:47:00] | darkfire: | well, i was just throwing out that you shouldn't apply absolutes like that, not saying i found a cheap pvr-150 ;) |
| [02:48:00] | darkfire: | i almost bought a 1990 audi on ebay for $300, but the seller backed out. go figure. |
| [02:48:00] | mchou: | darkfire: there are worse stories on ebay. I'm a violin collector. Blatant fraud is rampant on ebay. |
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| [02:48:00] | darkfire: | oh yeah, i'd be very careful buying collectors items |
| [02:48:00] | mchou: | seller ripps of a legit photo from some other web site, and ships you crap. |
| [02:49:00] | mchou: | rips off* |
| [02:49:00] | mchou: | thinking buyer wont be able to tell diff. |
| [02:49:00] | JonK: | the roomba i just bought from ebay was broken :( |
| [02:50:00] | mchou: | I'm not even talking about "authenticity" |
| [02:50:00] | darkfire: | JonK, if you jump through all of ebay's hoops, they actually will give you money for that |
| [02:50:00] | mchou: | which is another topic in itself. |
| [02:50:00] | JonK: | it's not worth it |
| [02:50:00] | JonK: | going to try to get fixed |
| [02:51:00] | darkfire: | yeah, ebay is the equivalent of a back alley guy selling stuff out of his truck, i'll concede that |
| [02:51:00] | darkfire: | either way, if you get e-bay to compensate you for it, you still get to keep it. food for thought. |
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| [02:51:00] | JonK: | johnnyquest — blue line on top is known issue, you need to use xvattr to turn it black |
| [02:51:00] | mchou: | con a con artist? :) never. |
| [02:52:00] | JonK: | bah! |
| [02:52:00] | JonK: | im going home |
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| [02:52:00] | darkfire: | heh |
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| [02:53:00] | mchou: | I compare ebay to winning the lottery. It's close enough to "never" |
| [02:53:00] | darkfire: | heh |
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| [02:54:00] | mchou: | 1 in 10e20 is mathematically close to "never" |
| [02:54:00] | mchou: | or I should say statistically :) |
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| [03:09:00] | slide: | whenever i try to watch tv, mythbackend crashes and all thats in the log is "ringbuf1.nuv: No such file or directory" |
| [03:11:00] | slide: | oh hrm |
| [03:11:00] | slide: | put wrong dir in config |
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| [03:32:00] | slide: | can mythtv decode digital cable? |
| [03:33:00] | slide: | or whatever actually does the decoding? |
| [03:34:00] | jams: | slide, your cable box would do the decoding |
| [03:34:00] | Chutt: | no, most digital cable channels are encrypted. |
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| [03:42:00] | slide: | How do i get mythtv to use alsa? |
| [03:44:00] | mchou: | wow, bugmenot.com is a great concept. |
| [03:45:00] | Agrajag-: | slide: use ALSA:default |
| [03:45:00] | mchou: | just heard about that one on NPR. |
| [03:45:00] | Agrajag-: | and just 'default' for mixer |
| [03:48:00] | slide: | Agrajag-, where do i put that? |
| [03:48:00] | slide: | in the Audio device: setting? |
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| [03:55:00] | slide: | ok, i did that |
| [03:55:00] | slide: | now im getting "snd_pcm_open(default): No such file or directory" |
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| [04:21:00] | egeekial: | i'm trying to compile mythplugins from CVS, but i'm getting errors in keybinds.cpp |
| [04:22:00] | egeekial: | i can copy/paste the error if neede |
| [04:22:00] | egeekial: | d |
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| [04:34:00] | SlicerDicer-: | well back to good ole gentoo for mythtv |
| [04:35:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, you around? |
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| [04:52:00] | slide: | How does mythtv decide which capture device to use? |
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| [05:00:00] | MonMotha: | slide: there's a priority system, but otherwise rather arbitrarily |
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| [05:05:00] | ChrisMacTire: | This is a tad offtopic but can anyone point me in the direction of a howto on taking .nuv files and making a DVD? |
| [05:06:00] | briand: | MythDVD plugin for MythTV. try surfing around mythtv.org |
| [05:06:00] | ChrisMacTire: | ... |
| [05:07:00] | GotD0t: | .... |
| [05:07:00] | briand: | ..... |
| [05:07:00] | GotD0t: | ...... |
| [05:07:00] | GotD0t: | hah! |
| [05:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | MythDVD is not for burning DVD's off your recordings |
| [05:07:00] | briand: | that's an S, an H, and 5 |
| [05:07:00] | ChrisMacTire: | MythDVD plugin plays dvds, no? I'm asking for how to turn .nuv files into a format suitable for creating DVD's readable in standalone dvd players. |
| [05:07:00] | GotD0t: | thank you for enlightening me |
| [05:07:00] | slide: | im getting "snd_pcm_open(default): No such file or directory" when i put ALSA:default as my audio output device can anyone help? |
| [05:07:00] | GotD0t: | if i ever feel to get my HF privis... that might be useful |
| [05:08:00] | briand: | u should do it. |
| [05:08:00] | briand: | you only have to know it once, for one minute out of five. |
| [05:08:00] | briand: | and then never use it again, if you don't want |
| [05:08:00] | GotD0t: | well... i might have more drive to, if i could actually afford the radios |
| [05:09:00] | GotD0t: | i dont even have a mobile or base radio... i just use my 90$ ht with a cig lighter adapter and a cheapo ant mounted on my trunk |
| [05:10:00] | briand: | I picked up a Kenwood TS-940S/AT on ebay last summer for $450 |
| [05:10:00] | ** GotD0t = jobless ** | |
| [05:10:00] | briand: | well, that just means you need to save a little longer |
| [05:11:00] | GotD0t: | before i bother to get HF privis i'll get a mobile radio first... which i just started looking into doing |
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| [05:12:00] | MonMotha: | bah, use an old junker |
| [05:12:00] | briand: | i've got 3 or 4 |
| [05:12:00] | ** MonMotha uses a Heath DX-60 ** | |
| [05:12:00] | MonMotha: | well, "uses" is a bit of an overstatement |
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| [05:12:00] | MonMotha: | I need to get a non-sucky set of crystals for it |
| [05:12:00] | briand: | my first HF was a TS-530S ...which I still have, and it works fine |
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| [05:13:00] | briand: | ...just doesn't have all the whiz-bang features of the TS-940S/AT |
| [05:13:00] | MonMotha: | the DX-60 is a bit older... |
| [05:13:00] | MonMotha: | this thing's from the 50s or so |
| [05:13:00] | briand: | a tad, yeah. |
| [05:14:00] | slide: | Ok, i restarted alsa and now im getting "mixer set channel 1 err -22: Invalid argument" |
| [05:14:00] | MonMotha: | I think my oscillator bias is a bit wrong too |
| [05:14:00] | MonMotha: | the oscillator takes a little while to start uip |
| [05:14:00] | briand: | check the caps |
| [05:14:00] | slide: | me? |
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| [05:15:00] | briand: | no, unless your oscillator in your 50+ year old rig is also flakey |
| [05:15:00] | MonMotha: | briand: well, it didn't do ANYTHING until I replaced all the ancient electrolitics |
| [05:15:00] | MonMotha: | *electrolytics |
| [05:15:00] | briand: | yeah, they go bad over time |
| [05:16:00] | MonMotha: | yu; |
| [05:16:00] | MonMotha: | p |
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| [05:17:00] | briand: | well, anyway.. i need to get to bed... g'nite |
| [05:17:00] | briand: | 73, et al |
| [05:17:00] | slide: | Using mythweb i cant access any songs or videos they say not found. "The requested URL /mythweb/video_dir/1033_20050626220000_20050626223000.nuv was not found on this server" |
| [05:17:00] | slide: | anyone got any ideas why? |
| [05:18:00] | briand: | does it actually exist there? |
| [05:18:00] | briand: | does your web server have rights to see it there? |
| [05:18:00] | slide: | well, that is a dir in my web root |
| [05:18:00] | slide: | which the file is def not in |
| [05:19:00] | slide: | but id assume mythweb would need them to be |
| [05:19:00] | slide: | erre wouldnt |
| [05:20:00] | briand: | well, i don't know.. what do you think? my web browser won't display files that don't exist, either. |
| [05:20:00] | slide: | uhm, yea but quite possibly there is some kind of redirect that should be going on but isnt |
| [05:20:00] | slide: | so dont be a dick |
| [05:21:00] | briand: | oh, okay. |
| [05:22:00] | briand: | ./ignore slide |
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| [05:22:00] | slide: | laff |
| [05:22:00] | slide: | like you are helpfull anyway lol |
| [05:22:00] | briand: | yes, inspired by your insipid remarks, no doubt. |
| [05:22:00] | slide: | sure |
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| [05:38:00] | slide: | are the .nuv files just the video files? |
| [05:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | how do you mean |
| [05:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | "just the video |
| [05:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | " ? |
| [05:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | they contain audio as well |
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| [05:49:00] | wonko_: | wow there are a lot of people here! |
| [05:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | Mostly idle at the moment :) |
| [05:52:00] | GrayMan: | Problem: No sound in Live TV and recordings. After transcoding I've audio. |
| [05:52:00] | GrayMan: | Just went thru mail archines – no clear answer. |
| [05:52:00] | wonko_: | so I've got a Dual 1.8Ghz Ahtlon machine With an Nvidia GeForce-FX 550 (with Svideo out) that I'm considering turning into a myth-tv box.. any suggestions on if this will or will not work, and/or what kind of Video capture card I should look at getting? |
| [05:53:00] | GrayMan: | Any experts? |
| [05:53:00] | wonko_: | Was considering HD, until I read that I'd likely need a 2.4Ghz+ proc for that.. |
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| [06:00:00] | wonko_: | I'll try back during the day. |
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| [06:12:00] | quink: | GreyFoxx: sounds like you don't have the right output setup..its recording from the right place just doesn't know where to put the sound |
| [06:12:00] | quink: | errr greyman |
| [06:31:00] | slePP: | will TV out from a radeon look better at a higher or lower resolution? (1024 or 800, for example) |
| [06:35:00] | quink: | in my experience there is little difference |
| [06:36:00] | slePP: | k. |
| [06:36:00] | quink: | you have a widescreen tv? |
| [06:36:00] | slePP: | i'm running it at 1024x768 right now, seems fine. |
| [06:36:00] | slePP: | no. |
| [06:36:00] | quink: | oh |
| [06:36:00] | quink: | i was wondering if anyone tried some widescreen format for tvout |
| [06:37:00] | slePP: | it'd be interesting to attempt.. anyhow, back to the living room.. bbl |
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| [07:07:00] | gnoob: | If i happen to get my hands on a PlayStation2 linux kit could I use it as a mythTV front end? |
| [07:07:00] | MonMotha: | gnoob: not really |
| [07:08:00] | gnoob: | MonMotha; why not? Drivers adn whatnot? |
| [07:08:00] | MonMotha: | gnoob: the PS2 is just not very fast, and I don't believe there are any drivers for the MPEG2 decoder |
| [07:09:00] | MonMotha: | MythTV is actually a pretty giant, slow beast |
| [07:09:00] | gnoob: | right, but this would only be for the frontend, I would assume that backend is really doing the work. |
| [07:10:00] | MonMotha: | um, the frontend has to decode the MPEG |
| [07:10:00] | MonMotha: | and since you're likely using MPEG4, and not MPEG2, much of the PS2's MPEG2 hardware decoding would be useless, if avaiable at all |
| [07:10:00] | MonMotha: | and it certainly doesn't have the power to do all this in software |
| [07:10:00] | gnoob: | hmm, OK. |
| [07:11:00] | MonMotha: | besides, a cheap PC is hardly more expensive than a PS2 |
| [07:11:00] | MonMotha: | especially without a monitor (I |
| [07:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | Plus you can't just assume it would compile/run under the linux platform in the kit without at least some code alterations |
| [07:11:00] | MonMotha: | I presume you want to use a TV) |
| [07:11:00] | MonMotha: | GreyFoxx: MythTV doesn't compile for MIPS? |
| [07:11:00] | MonMotha: | I take it there are some x86 assumptions? |
| [07:11:00] | gnoob: | well i already have the PS2 and i figured it would be a bit more quiet and smaller. |
| [07:11:00] | MonMotha: | you can build a pretty small PS2 |
| [07:12:00] | MonMotha: | er small PC |
| [07:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | MonMotha: There are in several parts of the code ASM bits in use. |
| [07:12:00] | MonMotha: | GreyFoxx: with no high-level equivilent? brilliant... |
| [07:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | They have non asm versions, but you can't just assume the code will compile with no alterations |
| [07:12:00] | MonMotha: | if it was properly written, it should have a good chance. That's the idea at least |
| [07:12:00] | gnoob: | but a small PC cost a lot of money. |
| [07:12:00] | MonMotha: | I know some APIs behave differently on different archs |
| [07:13:00] | MonMotha: | gnoob: so does a PS2 Linux kit, these days |
| [07:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | That's my point. "a good chance" doesn't mean you can it will compile with no work involved, albeit it might be minor efforts |
| [07:13:00] | MonMotha: | GreyFoxx: true |
| [07:14:00] | gnoob: | i suppose that's true |
| [07:14:00] | MonMotha: | I've compiled stuff for ARM before, and all I ever had to correct were some instances of people doing things like assuiming the size of things that you aren't supposed to assume |
| [07:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | gnoob: You can get an xbox to use as a frontend. relatively low cost |
| [07:14:00] | MonMotha: | true, an XBox has the horsepower required for standard def |
| [07:15:00] | MonMotha: | has the advantage of just being a PC too |
| [07:15:00] | gnoob: | i thought about that. Was looking on e-bay. |
| [07:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | and there are HD addons which might be of use |
| [07:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | and xbmc is quite pretty :) |
| [07:15:00] | ** GreyFoxx wishes he could use some of the xbmc themes in myth ** | |
| [07:16:00] | MonMotha: | unless you can get some real hardware assist working (like XvMC), an XBox simply cannot decode 1080i in real time |
| [07:16:00] | MonMotha: | my 2GHz AthlonXP has trouble sometimes |
| [07:16:00] | gnoob: | so what kind of power is recommended for a frontend? |
| [07:16:00] | MonMotha: | gnoob: if it can play a DVD in software, it'll probably work as a frontend |
| [07:17:00] | gnoob: | makes sense |
| [07:17:00] | MonMotha: | oh baby...it's an HD episode of Malcom in the middle |
| [07:17:00] | gnoob: | I have an old 333mhz k6–2. |
| [07:17:00] | MonMotha: | gnoob: that's probably not quite good enough |
| [07:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | gnoob: not enough, look for something in the 600MHZ and up range, you are just asking for trouble with anything less |
| [07:18:00] | gnoob: | i also have a 800mhz p-3 but it's flaky. Something is wrong with it. |
| [07:18:00] | MonMotha: | that would be fast enough, but flakey hardware is usually VERY flakey with MythTV |
| [07:19:00] | MonMotha: | even non-flakey hardware can be flakey when you start pushing this much data around |
| [07:19:00] | MonMotha: | haha, that's funny |
| [07:19:00] | gnoob: | actually my 333 is probably not a good idea becuse it never played nice with linux in the past. |
| [07:19:00] | MonMotha: | they barndoor their commercials, which was then letterboxed since it was widescreen. Of course, my monitor is not widescreen, so it's letterboxed anyway |
| [07:19:00] | MonMotha: | so this commercial was letterboxed, then barn doored, the letterboxed |
| [07:21:00] | rjune: | MonMotha: barn doored? |
| [07:21:00] | MonMotha: | rjune: the opposite of letter boxing |
| [07:21:00] | MonMotha: | it's what you do to 4:3 content to put it on a 16:9 TV (black bars on the sides) |
| [07:22:00] | rjune: | ahhh |
| [07:22:00] | gnoob: | acually i have a old TV out card that does mpeg2 decoding i think. Not sure it has drivers. |
| [07:22:00] | MonMotha: | probably not |
| [07:22:00] | MonMotha: | but it's worth a look |
| [07:22:00] | MonMotha: | you'll have to convince MythTV to capture to MPEG2 instead of MPEG4, which it doesn't do by default |
| [07:22:00] | mchou: | for std def :) |
| [07:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | MonMotha: Well, that just depends on his capture cards (which I didn't notice get mentioned) |
| [07:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | gnoob: What kind of card ? |
| [07:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | is the mpeg decoder |
| [07:23:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: well, it only records MPEG2 for HD and from the PVRs because that's the way it comes in |
| [07:23:00] | gnoob: | um, let me see if i can find it real fast. |
| [07:23:00] | MonMotha: | HD just gets streamed right off the air to the HDD, which is one reason it looks so damn nice |
| [07:25:00] | mchou: | wow, I thought I was the only guy w/ ancient HW like k6–2 |
| [07:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've got an old k6–2 450mhz(or close to that) laying around in the pile of unused gear :) |
| [07:26:00] | gnoob: | Creative CT7260 |
| [07:26:00] | MonMotha: | my server (not for MythTV) is a K6–2/350 |
| [07:26:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: same here :) |
| [07:26:00] | mchou: | heh. |
| [07:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | gnoob: One of the dxr3 cards ? |
| [07:27:00] | gnoob: | a google search seems to say that |
| [07:27:00] | MonMotha: | oh, yeah, the DXR series is probably supported |
| [07:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | drivers: dxr3.sourceforge.net . I uses the em8300 drivers, myth doesn't support it |
| [07:27:00] | MonMotha: | at least by everything else :) |
| [07:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've got several of those cards :) |
| [07:28:00] | gnoob: | so would that make my k6–2 powerfull enough? |
| [07:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | gnoob: Myth doesn't support it. |
| [07:28:00] | MonMotha: | if mythtv supported it, which apparently it doesn't, and you could record to mpeg2, which myth doesn't do |
| [07:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | So you could use it with other software to watch content, but not with myth |
| [07:29:00] | gnoob: | ah |
| [07:29:00] | gnoob: | well that stinks |
| [07:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | gnoob: What kind of capture card(s) are you using ? |
| [07:29:00] | mchou: | why? HW is cheap these days. |
| [07:30:00] | mchou: | go get a used complete 1Ghz system for $180. |
| [07:30:00] | mchou: | or a new xbox for 150. |
| [07:30:00] | gnoob: | Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Captur |
| [07:31:00] | mchou: | oh god. SW encoder. |
| [07:31:00] | mchou: | means you need even more beef on CPU :) |
| [07:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, so no mpeg2 then. That dxr3 wouldn't have been of use to you |
| [07:31:00] | gnoob: | :), it was cheaper at the time and when i got it I did not know better. |
| [07:31:00] | MonMotha: | GreyFoxx: well, it could be if MythTV had the option to record in MPEG2 (which, to be fair, is hard to do in anything close to real time) |
| [07:32:00] | MonMotha: | I thought he had a dedicated backend |
| [07:32:00] | gnoob: | well, the PC i have now is a amd64 2800+, Should i have any real problem using at my main PC and the Myth backend? |
| [07:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | MonMotha: And your point is? It doesn't, therefore my comment is accurate :) |
| [07:32:00] | mchou: | nope |
| [07:33:00] | MonMotha: | GreyFoxx: true, it would be nice if it had the option though (for just that reason) |
| [07:33:00] | gnoob: | i don't have anything set up right now, I am just going over options. |
| [07:33:00] | MonMotha: | I don't know of any realtime mpeg2 capture libraries for linux though, so that would be kinda tough |
| [07:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | MonMotha: The libraries are in there, code it up :) |
| [07:33:00] | MonMotha: | I didn't think ffmpeg did realtime mpeg2 capture |
| [07:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | easily |
| [07:33:00] | MonMotha: | really...I thought it only did MPEG1 and MPEG4 |
| [07:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | Mplayer uses the same libraries and if I'm playing mpeg4 content over the dxr3 it is transcoded "realtime" into mpeg2 and fed to the card |
| [07:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or if I use the mpeg2 vvideoout plugin I can transcode a 40 minute episode in like 10 minutes |
| [07:35:00] | MonMotha: | oh yeah...I forgot about that |
| [07:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | so it's not the ability |
| [07:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | got |
| [07:35:00] | MonMotha: | I might go take a look then. I don't know C++ (just plain procedural C), but if the code isn't too nasty (something tells me it is ugly), I might go do that |
| [07:36:00] | MonMotha: | there's tons of stuff out there that does hardware mpeg2 decoding, so it might be useful |
| [07:36:00] | gnoob: | ok, I am going to head off to sleep. Thanks for all the answers to questions. |
| [07:36:00] | MonMotha: | oh well, it would just be useful, not really needed by me at this point (might be if I can get Linux on my DCT5000) |
| [07:36:00] | mchou: | how much is a PS2 linux kit anyways these days? |
| [07:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | I personally think working on supporting the mpeg2 decoders is more worthwhile, but it's your time :) |
| [07:37:00] | MonMotha: | GreyFoxx: well, if the decoder is supported, but you can't capture to mpeg2, what's the point? |
| [07:37:00] | MonMotha: | none of the decoders on the market (at least not the DXR series) do HD |
| [07:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | MonMotha: The majority of users are not doing software encoding |
| [07:37:00] | MonMotha: | really? seems like a pretty big market to me |
| [07:38:00] | MonMotha: | most people who I've talked to in here are just using BT878s. Fair number of PVR series stuff too, of course |
| [07:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Having been watching this channel, and the mailing lists for the last several years I feel pretty confident that more people use mpeg2 based capturing than do the software cards |
| [07:38:00] | MonMotha: | really...strange |
| [07:38:00] | mchou: | I think bt8x8 is prteey popular. |
| [07:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | certainly a lot of people use the btxxx cards |
| [07:38:00] | mchou: | pretty* |
| [07:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I don't see it as the majority |
| [07:39:00] | MonMotha: | I've not bothered getting a PVR series simply because I don't want to muck around getting IVTV working along with DVB |
| [07:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | half the people who start out with a btxxx card seem to jump to a mpeg2 based card as soon as they can |
| [07:39:00] | mchou: | well, if I had to swag, I'd say it's close to 50% |
| [07:39:00] | mchou: | that's only because HW encoders have come down in price. |
| [07:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: I disagree, but obviously other than personal observation have no numbers to back it up |
| [07:39:00] | MonMotha: | I could see half and half |
| [07:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: People have been on the pvr250 bandwagon for 2.5 years |
| [07:40:00] | mchou: | a bt card new is $20, a pvr is $60.... |
| [07:40:00] | MonMotha: | $60? they came down a lot |
| [07:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | And in all honesty is the market that is gonna grow with this stuff |
| [07:40:00] | MonMotha: | I may go get one now |
| [07:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | the 150's are pretty cheap |
| [07:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | 60–69 in most places |
| [07:41:00] | MonMotha: | well, I have a digital tuner :) |
| [07:41:00] | MonMotha: | In theory, I can tune my digital cable directly, though I dont know if it is encrypted or not |
| [07:41:00] | Agrajag-: | my mpeg2 dvb cards are bt8xx based |
| [07:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | You can assume it is :) |
| [07:41:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: circuit city has pvr150 for $60 AR this week. |
| [07:41:00] | MonMotha: | GreyFoxx: not really... a lot of places around here run various things unencrypted |
| [07:41:00] | MonMotha: | oddly enough, most of it is the premium and PPV stuff, not regular cable :) |
| [07:42:00] | MonMotha: | like I know my friend can watch other people's porn on demand |
| [07:42:00] | MonMotha: | but for regular digital cable, he would need a cable card |
| [07:42:00] | mchou: | lol. a block sex party :) |
| [07:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | agr: yes, but your cards are reading the mpeg stream, not the same as a btxxx card reading the analog cable stream |
| [07:42:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: something like that. It's always funny to see what they pause/rewind on |
| [07:43:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: huh?? |
| [07:43:00] | MonMotha: | that and some of the crazy kinds of porn they watch |
| [07:43:00] | mchou: | they can rw ppv??? |
| [07:43:00] | ** GreyFoxx looks at clock and ponders sleep ** | |
| [07:43:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: it's one of those "you control the stream" things |
| [07:43:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, all the cable cos around here have video on demand |
| [07:43:00] | mchou: | oh, ok. |
| [07:44:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hey mchou |
| [07:44:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I realised something today |
| [07:44:00] | mchou: | hey SlicerDicer- |
| [07:44:00] | SlicerDicer-: | nothing is better for Mythtv than gentoo |
| [07:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | *gag |
| [07:44:00] | mchou: | lordy! |
| [07:44:00] | SlicerDicer-: | haha |
| [07:44:00] | mchou: | I dont use gentoo and myth works just dandy :) |
| [07:44:00] | MonMotha: | I run on debian. works great |
| [07:45:00] | MonMotha: | I just grab the packages from the apt feed, rebuild them to my liking, and install |
| [07:45:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, I tried several distros just caused problems |
| [07:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | "nothing is better than FILLINDISTROILIKEHERE" is a regular comment in here |
| [07:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | and it's all bullshit :) |
| [07:45:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I could get it half-working but not full like I did with gentoo previously |
| [07:45:00] | SlicerDicer-: | GreyFoxx, :) |
| [07:45:00] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: compile from source is the only way to go for myth, man. |
| [07:45:00] | SlicerDicer-: | yep so gentoo aint so bad :P |
| [07:45:00] | mchou: | but not "compile world" |
| [07:46:00] | MonMotha: | I am curious, has anyone actually gotten XvMC to work stabily? |
| [07:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | the best distro is the one that you have the most experience with or at least suits your needs |
| [07:46:00] | mchou: | gentoo sux big time. |
| [07:46:00] | SlicerDicer-: | GreyFoxx, I have most experience with gentoo |
| [07:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | MonMotha: I've got a frontend here that has no troubles with it |
| [07:46:00] | Agrajag-: | <SlicerDicer-> nothing is better for Mythtv than gentoo <-- ahahahah |
| [07:46:00] | MonMotha: | GreyFoxx: doing any hi-def stuff? |
| [07:46:00] | SlicerDicer-: | lol |
| [07:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | MonMotha: Nope |
| [07:46:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: why do you ask? |
| [07:47:00] | SlicerDicer-: | GreyFoxx, I have been using gentoo for nearly 2 years solid and just recently started using ubuntu for my 64bit system due to problems I had with AMD64 on gentoo |
| [07:47:00] | MonMotha: | on some of my hi-def streams, it starts skipping. CPU usage is at like 30%, but the video card is obviously swamped. Also, the OSD (of course grayscale, which I can live with) causes the video to stutter the entire time it is up |
| [07:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | SlicerDicer-: Then it would make sense for you to prefer gentoo |
| [07:47:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: what CPU you got? |
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| [07:47:00] | SlicerDicer-: | GreyFoxx, yep I know where all configs are and everything it just makes for pulling teeth otherwise |
| [07:48:00] | safecracker: | hello everyone |
| [07:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | SlicerDicer-: I feel that way using most distros :) |
| [07:48:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: 2.0GHz (2400+) AthlonXP |
| [07:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | we all get into our little niches :) |
| [07:48:00] | SlicerDicer-: | what pulling teeth? |
| [07:48:00] | MonMotha: | it can actually decode this stuff in software just fine (though just BARELY) |
| [07:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | I find most distros annoying for some reason or another :) |
| [07:48:00] | SlicerDicer-: | or slamming your dick in a car door chose your pain wisely |
| [07:48:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: I doubt you only get 30% cpu util with hi-def. |
| [07:48:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: using XvMC, I do |
| [07:48:00] | MonMotha: | (and some things it works just fine with) |
| [07:49:00] | slePP: | anyone have a tip on using a pvr-350 and two -150s in the same box? |
| [07:49:00] | MonMotha: | doing everything in software I hover around 88–99%, and it skips once or twice in a half hour show |
| [07:49:00] | mchou: | I have XP2600+ and it chokes on 1080 (but not using XvMC) |
| [07:49:00] | MonMotha: | I enabled the libmpeg2 option, rather than ffmpeg |
| [07:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: With or without using libmpeg2 for decoding ? |
| [07:49:00] | MonMotha: | ffmpeg wasn't fast enough for 1080i, but libmpeg2 is just barely |
| [07:49:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: using libmpeg2 |
| [07:50:00] | MonMotha: | really...that's odd |
| [07:50:00] | safecracker: | is the blue line on the side and top a driver issue and can it be fixed? |
| [07:50:00] | mchou: | nothing odd about it. |
| [07:50:00] | MonMotha: | I'm watching 1080i just fine, even have the kerneldeint filter running over it (and it does look deinterlaced) |
| [07:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | SlicerDicer-: The amount of distro fights that go on in here is usually a lot of fun to watch |
| [07:50:00] | MonMotha: | do you have the capture card int he same system? Maybe HDD I/O is putting you over |
| [07:50:00] | MonMotha: | my capture is remote |
| [07:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | safecracker: yeah it's a driver thing. You can get arround it by use the xvattr util |
| [07:50:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: which vid card you got? |
| [07:51:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: FX5600 Ultra |
| [07:51:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: my BE is a remote sys. |
| [07:51:00] | safecracker: | i tried using xvattr it didn't work lol |
| [07:51:00] | safecracker: | still got the blue line |
| [07:51:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: I have GF4200Ti. |
| [07:51:00] | MonMotha: | hum...maybe this is 720p then, though I thought PBS and FOX both did 1080i |
| [07:51:00] | MonMotha: | ABC does 720p |
| [07:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | safecracker: You used this exact command ? "xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 1" |
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| [07:51:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: I know that's a bottleneck. |
| [07:51:00] | safecracker: | yep |
| [07:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | weird |
| [07:52:00] | MonMotha: | is there a way to ask mythtv about the stream (res, interlace, etc)? |
| [07:52:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: you can easily find out using mplayer what the real res is. |
| [07:52:00] | SlicerDicer-: | GreyFoxx, I am not trying to start a distro fight I was just stating that its what I have found that works best for me and I was having serious issues that were simple that made me look like a jackass |
| [07:52:00] | mchou: | I think it's like mplayer -q (memory is bad) |
| [07:53:00] | MonMotha: | ah, FOX is apparently doing 720p right now |
| [07:53:00] | MonMotha: | it's skippingo n my CBS affiliate, which is 1080i |
| [07:53:00] | SlicerDicer-: | such as lirc right first paragraph said to disable serial well... I had not enabled it lol... so I had no idea what was going wrong till mchou pointed it out and I felt like a giant idiot :) |
| [07:53:00] | MonMotha: | PBS apparently also moved down to 720p or 720i (not sure) |
| [07:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | SlicerDicer-: I wasn't saying you were, just commenting on distro wars that happen in here :) with so many people using so many distros it can be a regular and humourous thing |
| [07:53:00] | MonMotha: | is there a way to determine if the video is interlaced? |
| [07:54:00] | mchou: | I told SlicerDicer- that he better re-read his sex manuals :) |
| [07:54:00] | SlicerDicer-: | haha |
| [07:54:00] | SlicerDicer-: | thats what it was yep |
| [07:54:00] | mchou: | nothing worse than an unsatified partner in bed :) |
| [07:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | speaking of bed |
| [07:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | *p00f* |
| [07:54:00] | safecracker: | i think most ppl realized the "best distro" is dependent on the user or else their would only be 1 distro |
| [07:55:00] | MonMotha: | too bad CBS is currently showing stretched, upconverted infomercials on their 1080i hi-def channel :) |
| [07:55:00] | ** SlicerDicer- starts to chant my distros better than yours, my distros better than yours "flame war mantra" LOL!!! :P ** | |
| [07:55:00] | MonMotha: | I'm running 55% w/ XvMC right now |
| [07:55:00] | SlicerDicer-: | sorry could not help myself |
| [07:55:00] | mchou: | Bigger is better :) |
| [07:55:00] | MonMotha: | and it crashed |
| [07:55:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: haha!! |
| [07:56:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: XvMC is VERY unstable for me |
| [07:56:00] | mchou: | really? even on FX5600? |
| [07:56:00] | MonMotha: | and I hit the nvidia xv bug |
| [07:56:00] | MonMotha: | which means I need to restart my X server |
| [07:56:00] | mchou: | turn off compite man. |
| [07:57:00] | mchou: | composite* |
| [07:57:00] | MonMotha: | it's unstable, but when it works, it works fine (other than the OSD skipping issue) |
| [07:57:00] | MonMotha: | I'm not even runnign Xorg |
| [07:57:00] | MonMotha: | I certainly don't have composite on |
| [07:57:00] | mchou: | heh, OK. |
| [07:57:00] | MonMotha: | there's a bug I've noticed with xv that is incredibly hard to reproduce (appears to be a race condition with window geometry changes) |
| [07:57:00] | mchou: | I think xvMC is probably not ready for prime time :) |
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| [07:57:00] | MonMotha: | basically, it'll just get into a mode where all you ever see is the key color, no video |
| [07:58:00] | mchou: | nah. |
| [07:58:00] | MonMotha: | this is not limited to MythTV |
| [07:58:00] | MonMotha: | I've had Xine and mplayer do it as well |
| [07:58:00] | mchou: | that's some other proggie grabbing your xvports. |
| [07:58:00] | MonMotha: | what other program? and I get no complaints from anything about inability to access the xv porst |
| [07:59:00] | mchou: | kaffein and xine do that on me all the time. |
| [07:59:00] | MonMotha: | the only thing I can think of is that when MythTV crashed, it left the driver in a very bad state |
| [07:59:00] | mchou: | grab my xv ports :) |
| [07:59:00] | MonMotha: | but it'll happen just in the middle of things too |
| [07:59:00] | mchou: | well, that's certainly possible. |
| [07:59:00] | MonMotha: | especially if I try to move the window |
| [08:00:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, question for ya if you have a moment |
| [08:00:00] | mchou: | window?? |
| [08:00:00] | MonMotha: | well, is there a way to reset the xv stuff short of restarting X? |
| [08:00:00] | SlicerDicer-: | you are pvr-150 right? |
| [08:00:00] | MonMotha: | I run MythTV in a window, and also happens with Xine and mplayer |
| [08:00:00] | mchou: | who watches video in a window? |
| [08:00:00] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: I HAVE |
| [08:00:00] | mchou: | not I AM :) |
| [08:00:00] | MonMotha: | oh, I also forgot to mention that fullscreen seems horribly broken (I get things that look like interlace artifacts) |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: lol |
| [08:01:00] | MonMotha: | but I run Myth in a window so I can use my desktop for other things (I don't currently have a TV hooked up) |
| [08:01:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, sorry wrong wording :) |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: I think you got flakey HW :) |
| [08:01:00] | MonMotha: | I have some very strange bugs that nobody seems to be able to figure out |
| [08:01:00] | SlicerDicer-: | anyway I am wondering have you ever gotten your tv out to work? so you can watch the tv from the computator? |
| [08:01:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: it's done it with three different video cards |
| [08:01:00] | MonMotha: | over 5 nvidia driver revisions, and two completely different installs of linux |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: I didnt say vid card :) |
| [08:01:00] | MonMotha: | so unless it's the motherboard (and it ONLY happens with fullscreen, xv video) |
| [08:02:00] | MonMotha: | I do know this motherboard has some incredibly obscure memory timing issues with all three slots populated (only two are populated right now) |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | most likely agp or memory. maybe even proc...... |
| [08:02:00] | MonMotha: | the machine passes a memtest86 full scan (all tests, including extended) btw |
| [08:03:00] | MonMotha: | the AGP could possibly be busted, though the only thing that ever gives me problems is full screen video |
| [08:03:00] | mchou: | bah, memtest86 is not enough of a stress test. |
| [08:03:00] | MonMotha: | I've turned off AGP completely (just run it as PCI) and I get the same problem |
| [08:03:00] | mchou: | wow. |
| [08:03:00] | mchou: | now that's bad. |
| [08:03:00] | MonMotha: | memtest86 is pretty good at finding memory of cache problems in my experience |
| [08:04:00] | MonMotha: | well, this system is about to get replaced, and I'm never buying a Gigabyte motherboard again |
| [08:04:00] | mchou: | really??? it's a gigabyte? I'm really surprise now. |
| [08:04:00] | MonMotha: | thing is, I need a good dual proc Opteron motherboard, and I've heard that the K8WE has some oddball issues |
| [08:04:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, 7VTXH |
| [08:04:00] | MonMotha: | this board has been nothing but trouble |
| [08:04:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: you need to make it to the AMD Tech tour |
| [08:05:00] | mchou: | Dual Opt server bundle for $500 |
| [08:05:00] | MonMotha: | I had to RMA it like 3 times due to a defective flash chip (dual BIOS my ass, the other chip must just be for show) before they finally just replaced the flash instead of reproramming it |
| [08:05:00] | MonMotha: | the AMD tech tour? |
| [08:05:00] | mchou: | google. |
| [08:05:00] | MonMotha: | hell, I should go get an internship at AMD. They'd love me |
| [08:05:00] | mchou: | AMD dont sell mobos :) |
| [08:05:00] | SlicerDicer-: | wow MonMotha I own 3 gigabyte boards |
| [08:05:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I love them |
| [08:06:00] | SlicerDicer-: | and 2 gigabyte video cards |
| [08:06:00] | SlicerDicer-: | gigabyte rocks! |
| [08:06:00] | rjune: | mchou: dual opteron chips? or obard too? |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | gigabyte generally has a good rep. |
| [08:06:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, yeah just bad for overclocking but I dont care about overclocking :P |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | rjune: chips+MOBO+OS |
| [08:06:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: I know AMD doesn't sell motherboards |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | Windows though. |
| [08:06:00] | rjune: | mchou: I really only care about chips +mobo +RAM |
| [08:06:00] | MonMotha: | well, I was looking to build a dual dual-core |
| [08:07:00] | MonMotha: | quad on a budget |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | RAM is cheap these days :) |
| [08:07:00] | SlicerDicer-: | MonMotha, good luck muny bags |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | 1GB for $80. |
| [08:07:00] | MonMotha: | SlicerDicer-: not really. You can do it for about 1.5–2 kilodollars |
| [08:07:00] | ** rjune wonders if the amd tech tour is coming near me ** | |
| [08:07:00] | SlicerDicer-: | go drop that huge wad on the new italy <sarcasm> |
| [08:07:00] | MonMotha: | rjune: from what I saw of it, it didn't look all that technical |
| [08:07:00] | rjune: | MonMotha: don't care, that's a good price on the board |
| [08:07:00] | SlicerDicer-: | MonMotha, dual dual are new so its not worth it yet wait for prices to drop and second generation then you will be good |
| [08:07:00] | MonMotha: | If I'm going to a conference, I want to talk about pipeline structures, cache structures, etc. |
| [08:08:00] | MonMotha: | SlicerDicer-: I didn't say I was building it tomorrow |
| [08:08:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: that's all marketing fluff. |
| [08:08:00] | SlicerDicer-: | and the tyan board is the only way to go be ready to drop 3500–4000$ in cpu/mobo alone |
| [08:08:00] | mchou: | not techy at all. |
| [08:08:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: not if you know what the hell you're talking about |
| [08:08:00] | rjune: | SlicerDicer-: indeed |
| [08:08:00] | mchou: | no need to sit thru it all. |
| [08:08:00] | MonMotha: | no, the problem is that you're used to seeing it dumbed down for a general audience, not people who actually know computer arch :) |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | I stay for just the food. :) |
| [08:09:00] | MonMotha: | you'd probably find the stuff I find interesting to be quiet boring |
| [08:09:00] | rjune: | and the booth babes |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: I was referring to tech tour being mktg fluff. |
| [08:09:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: oh, that's what I had gathered |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | there are no babes at this show. |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | I kid you not. |
| [08:10:00] | MonMotha: | when I saw banners advertising 64 bit stuff, I knew it was marketing fluff |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | ust stinky guys who havent showered. |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | just* |
| [08:10:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: I was at million man lan (not playing computer games). Don't tell me about stinky guys who haven't showered. :) |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | who might have bought g/f just to pick up an additional bundle. |
| [08:11:00] | mchou: | (one bundle/person) |
| [08:11:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: haha!! |
| [08:11:00] | rjune: | mchou: bought a g/f? |
| [08:11:00] | MonMotha: | They had a DDR competition. I placed about 5/29 |
| [08:11:00] | mchou: | brought* |
| [08:11:00] | mchou: | rjune: hehe :) |
| [08:11:00] | MonMotha: | I lost to the guy who got 4th, so I would have been the next in the bracket |
| [08:11:00] | rjune: | mchou: I thought bought may be appropriate too |
| [08:12:00] | mchou: | g/f are more expensive than server :) |
| [08:12:00] | mchou: | cost/benefit analysis doesnt work out :) |
| [08:12:00] | rjune: | more rewarding too |
| [08:12:00] | rjune: | servers don't give blowjobs |
| [08:12:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [08:12:00] | MonMotha: | hum, is it possible to control a mythtv FRONTEND remotely over a network? |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | sure, ssh :) |
| [08:13:00] | rjune: | maybe if you setup vnc on the frontend |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | bah, vnc?? what for? |
| [08:14:00] | mchou: | that's what xforwarding is for :) |
| [08:14:00] | rjune: | :-) |
| [08:15:00] | mchou: | $500 for dual opt and tyan mobo aint too shabby. |
| [08:15:00] | MonMotha: | oh, that's true, you can tell the frontend to display the video on a different screen, then X forward the frontend |
| [08:15:00] | MonMotha: | I'd need to be able to "click" on the buttons though, since my remote would have a touchscreen |
| [08:15:00] | mchou: | server has 1 "legacy" pci slot |
| [08:16:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [08:16:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: that's normal. The others will all be 3.3V PCI-X |
| [08:16:00] | MonMotha: | which you can usually get modern PCI cards working in, evne if they're only 33MHz |
| [08:16:00] | mchou: | yeah. |
| [08:16:00] | rjune: | MonMotha: if you run vnc, you get local control and remote control on demand |
| [08:17:00] | MonMotha: | rjune: I only need remote control |
| [08:17:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: this is the mobo: http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8se_spec.html |
| [08:17:00] | MonMotha: | oh, the K8S |
| [08:17:00] | MonMotha: | I know that board |
| [08:17:00] | rjune: | nice |
| [08:17:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: any good? |
| [08:17:00] | MonMotha: | oh, K8SE |
| [08:18:00] | MonMotha: | I know that the nforce stuff is poorly supported by linux |
| [08:18:00] | MonMotha: | these are the generation of boards made after windows 64 bit came out, so they're all windows oriented |
| [08:18:00] | mchou: | huh??? |
| [08:18:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: a lot of the onboard hardware is poorly supported by linux |
| [08:18:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: be specific :) |
| [08:18:00] | MonMotha: | I guess they're not using the nforce's ethernet, so you are good there |
| [08:19:00] | MonMotha: | I seem to recall the SATA either doesn't work or has some sort of problem unless you do some weird thing to completely disable the RAID |
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| [08:19:00] | mchou: | nforce ethernet I thought there are nvidia binary drivers..... |
| [08:19:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: there's a reverse engineered one that does 100Mbit, |
| [08:19:00] | rjune: | mchou: who wants to dick with those though? |
| [08:20:00] | MonMotha: | but they are using broadcom and Intel eepro |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | true. |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | but we all use binary nvidia display drivers :) |
| [08:20:00] | MonMotha: | dunno how well the broadcom chip is supported (broadcom traditionally laughs at linux devs who ask for specs) |
| [08:20:00] | rjune: | mchou: shhhh that's different |
| [08:20:00] | MonMotha: | do they have a picture of this board by chance? I'd like to see the layout |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: nah, they dont laugh. They'd like to but their hands are tied. |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: nope. sorry. |
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| [08:21:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: I asked for specs on a (rather proprietary) piece of hardware and they literally laughed at me over the phone before saying I was crazy and hanging up |
| [08:22:00] | MonMotha: | I was even willing to sign an NDA |
| [08:22:00] | mchou: | it's lame the web site doesnt have photo. |
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| [08:22:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: what hardware? |
| [08:22:00] | mchou: | I mean from broadcom? |
| [08:23:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: what basically amounted to the southbridge in a digital cable set top box |
| [08:23:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: heh, that's completely different. They laughed at you b/c NCTA. |
| [08:24:00] | mchou: | NCTA doesnt want you inside STB :) |
| [08:24:00] | mchou: | so my point stands (Their hands are tied) |
| [08:24:00] | MonMotha: | oh I know, I wasn't expecting to actually get anything, just wanted to ask on the off chance that they'd do it |
| [08:24:00] | MonMotha: | however, they actually LAUGHED at me |
| [08:24:00] | mchou: | that's cause they expected you to know better :) |
| [08:25:00] | MonMotha: | well, seeing as how I started out basically saying that I wasn't expecting much, I still think it was inappropriate to laugh at me |
| [08:25:00] | mchou: | bah, dont take it so personally. |
| [08:25:00] | MonMotha: | I avoid broadcom hardware whenever possible as a result of that incident, but they do have a stranglehold on the digital cable market |
| [08:26:00] | MonMotha: | they could have at least been nice and said that contractual agreements prevented them from giving me anything |
| [08:26:00] | MonMotha: | which is what nvidia or ati will tell you |
| [08:26:00] | mchou: | Now that's lying with style. |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | ATI and nvidia own most of their tech (more than broadcom) |
| [08:27:00] | rjune: | too bad ATi guys are handy with a soldering iron, but a menace to society behind a keyboard |
| [08:27:00] | rjune: | night night guys |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | night. |
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| [09:57:00] | slePP: | has anyone managed to get a PVR-350 and a PVR-150 working side by side? |
| [09:58:00] | slePP: | pvr-350 works great, the 150 isn't... though two 150s in the other box by themselves worked fine with this driver version.. |
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| [11:28:00] | maniacxs: | is there somebody using current cvs? |
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| [11:31:00] | stoffel: | svn you mean? yeah |
| [11:31:00] | stoffel: | btw there's a german channel #mythtv-de as well |
| [11:31:00] | maniacxs: | mythtv cvs. |
| [11:31:00] | stoffel: | cvs is dead. long live svn |
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| [11:31:00] | maniacxs: | when did it die? |
| [11:32:00] | greg: | hey mchou you still around? |
| [11:32:00] | stoffel: | atm at least, chutt thinks about syncing cvs with svn |
| [11:32:00] | greg: | blah I need to set my shit right |
| [11:32:00] | greg: | lol |
| [11:32:00] | stoffel: | maniacxs: last week |
| [11:32:00] | greg is now known as SlicerDicer | |
| [11:32:00] | SlicerDicer: | there that works |
| [11:32:00] | SlicerDicer: | haha |
| [11:32:00] | maniacxs: | oh. then i should try svn. |
| [11:32:00] | stoffel: | maniacxs: cvs still works, but is not up-to-date atm |
| [11:32:00] | SlicerDicer: | I just got my computer to output to TV it rocks |
| [11:33:00] | maniacxs: | this may be the cause of myproblem. |
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| [11:33:00] | maniacxs: | mythuitest does not compile. |
| [11:33:00] | SlicerDicer: | well I will come back later |
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| [11:51:00] | jhs_s: | Hi! I have a strange problem with nuv2disc! The chapter pictures are turned around (top is bottom). The video ist correct. |
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| [13:22:00] | mchou: | hey honey you around? |
| [13:22:00] | honey: | uh yeah.... |
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| [13:29:00] | NETvampire_: | hi all |
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| [14:29:00] | TBF|Sofa: | have any of you had any luck getig the remote to work that comes with the leadtek 2000xp Expert. Its a CX chipset. |
| [14:30:00] | defaultro: | good (morning|evening) everyone |
| [14:30:00] | TBF|Sofa: | morning |
| [14:30:00] | defaultro: | anyone uses mythstream? |
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| [14:31:00] | TBF|Sofa: | nope does that like stream music and video off of the net? |
| [14:31:00] | ** KarlosII awakens ** | |
| [14:32:00] | TBF|Sofa: | but whats your question about it I could maby try and figure it out. |
| [14:32:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [14:32:00] | defaultro: | media_settings.xml has weird characters |
| [14:32:00] | defaultro: | am trying to add a line that the instructions tells |
| [14:32:00] | defaultro: | via vi |
| [14:32:00] | TBF|Sofa: | ya |
| [14:32:00] | TBF|Sofa: | i know what that is |
| [14:32:00] | defaultro: | but as soon as I start scrolling down, i get to insert mode |
| [14:32:00] | defaultro: | :( |
| [14:32:00] | TBF|Sofa: | whats the charecter like 4 cercles |
| [14:33:00] | TBF|Sofa: | and a backslash in the middle ore something sumular |
| [14:33:00] | defaultro: | extended ascii characgters |
| [14:33:00] | defaultro: | i don't remember |
| [14:33:00] | TBF|Sofa: | that normaly means you do not have that font |
| [14:33:00] | TBF|Sofa: | do you have corefonts instealled |
| [14:33:00] | defaultro: | problem is, i am sent to INSERT mode |
| [14:33:00] | defaultro: | i don't know |
| [14:33:00] | defaultro: | how do i install it |
| [14:33:00] | TBF|Sofa: | that may be it what distro are you using? |
| [14:34:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [14:34:00] | defaultro: | first time i heard that vi needs fonts too :) |
| [14:34:00] | TBF|Sofa: | well |
| [14:34:00] | TBF|Sofa: | i dono I said it could be =D |
| [14:34:00] | defaultro: | it might be |
| [14:34:00] | defaultro: | i believe you |
| [14:35:00] | TBF|Sofa: | what does it look like using a gui based editor |
| [14:35:00] | TBF|Sofa: | ? |
| [14:35:00] | defaultro: | hmmm, that i haven't tried |
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| [14:35:00] | defaultro: | lemme xserver into it |
| [14:35:00] | defaultro: | i never thought of that |
| [14:35:00] | defaultro: | ;) |
| [14:35:00] | TBF|Sofa: | haha |
| [14:36:00] | TBF|Sofa: | i just deonloaded it im gona see what file your talking about |
| [14:36:00] | defaultro: | glad i have Exceed :) |
| [14:37:00] | defaultro: | what is the command to the gui editor? |
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| [14:38:00] | TBF|Sofa: | really depends on what you have installed |
| [14:38:00] | TBF|Sofa: | gnome |
| [14:38:00] | TBF|Sofa: | kde |
| [14:38:00] | TBF|Sofa: | X |
| [14:38:00] | defaultro: | kde i guess |
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| [14:39:00] | TBF|Sofa: | then I think its kedit maby? |
| [14:39:00] | TBF|Sofa: | i use gnome |
| [14:39:00] | TBF|Sofa: | maby kwrite |
| [14:39:00] | defaultro: | BAM |
| [14:39:00] | defaultro: | kedit works |
| [14:40:00] | TBF|Sofa: | hehe |
| [14:40:00] | defaultro: | it does show perfectly as compared to vi |
| [14:40:00] | TBF|Sofa: | weard |
| [14:40:00] | defaultro: | I can now put the lines I need to add |
| [14:40:00] | TBF|Sofa: | =) |
| [14:41:00] | defaultro: | so those square characters are fine right? |
| [14:41:00] | TBF|Sofa: | well you later on may want to look into fixing that font problem normaly its the other way around. |
| [14:41:00] | TBF|Sofa: | hehe |
| [14:41:00] | TBF|Sofa: | You dont see the squars any more do you? |
| [14:41:00] | TBF|Sofa: | i just means you dont have that charecter installed. |
| [14:41:00] | TBF|Sofa: | But it seams kde has it |
| [14:43:00] | TBF|Sofa: | Im glad I could help, and thank you for pointing me to mythstream =D Now I can lisent to digitaly imported on my myth box =) |
| [14:45:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [14:45:00] | defaultro: | i was able to get stream last night but no sound |
| [14:45:00] | TBF|Sofa: | ahh, do you normaly have sound? |
| [14:45:00] | defaultro: | i will have to check my mplayer settings |
| [14:45:00] | defaultro: | yeah, i get 5.1 too |
| [14:45:00] | TBF|Sofa: | I could be pointing to oss when you are using alsa or the other way around. |
| [14:46:00] | defaultro: | i'm using asoundrc file |
| [14:46:00] | defaultro: | yeah, you are correct |
| [14:46:00] | TBF|Sofa: | ohh |
| [14:46:00] | TBF|Sofa: | or it could be permisons for your user. |
| [14:46:00] | defaultro: | i need to find the configuration where it is still pointing to oss |
| [14:46:00] | defaultro: | am root :) |
| [14:46:00] | TBF|Sofa: | ohh |
| [14:46:00] | TBF|Sofa: | hehe |
| [14:46:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [14:46:00] | TBF|Sofa: | its not alsyways safe to use rute as a user. |
| [14:46:00] | TBF|Sofa: | root |
| [14:46:00] | defaultro: | myth(music|livetv|recording) are all fine |
| [14:47:00] | TBF|Sofa: | i have a myth tv user |
| [14:47:00] | defaultro: | i wanted to have more threading power |
| [14:47:00] | TBF|Sofa: | ahh |
| [14:47:00] | TBF|Sofa: | I want to be home working on my box =D |
| [14:47:00] | TBF|Sofa: | I hate I wont get home for another 12 houers. / |
| [14:47:00] | TBF|Sofa: | =/ |
| [14:48:00] | defaultro: | oh :D |
| [14:48:00] | defaultro: | i'll be out in few hours |
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| [14:49:00] | TBF|Sofa: | if 12 is a few man it sucks |
| [14:49:00] | TBF|Sofa: | haha |
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| [15:14:00] | mchou: | hey dopester, how goes it? |
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| [15:16:00] | defaultro: | hey mchou |
| [15:16:00] | defaultro: | am early huh :) |
| [15:16:00] | mchou: | heh :) |
| [15:16:00] | defaultro: | looks like you bought air2pc :D |
| [15:17:00] | defaultro: | i'm figuring out mythstream now :) |
| [15:17:00] | mchou: | air2pc shipped? |
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| [15:17:00] | defaultro: | nope |
| [15:17:00] | mchou: | defaultro: ok. |
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| [15:28:00] | dopester: | mchou: good, but i gotta motor |
| [15:28:00] | mchou: | alright, later |
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| [15:34:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, where can I find the audio settings for mythstream? |
| [15:35:00] | TBF|Sofa: | What remote are yall using? |
| [15:35:00] | defaultro: | remote? |
| [15:35:00] | TBF|Sofa: | Im thinking of just replacing the one that came with my leadtek 2000xp because I am having so many problems |
| [15:35:00] | TBF|Sofa: | ya remote controle. |
| [15:36:00] | laga: | defaultro: the cute thing with the infrared emitter and the little buttons |
| [15:36:00] | TBF|Sofa: | ya |
| [15:36:00] | TBF|Sofa: | LOL |
| [15:36:00] | TBF|Sofa: | mine has some known problems with lirc. |
| [15:39:00] | TBF|Sofa: | Well do none of yall use a remote. =) |
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| [15:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use a Niveus remote. Universal learning IR remote, with an RF mode to talk to the usb receiver |
| [15:40:00] | TBF|Sofa: | does it come with the usb receiver? |
| [15:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [15:40:00] | TBF|Sofa: | humm |
| [15:41:00] | TBF|Sofa: | ohh by the way Grey you rix did it I now am using tvtime to view tv and mplayer to view dvds |
| [15:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | the way I rix ? |
| [15:41:00] | TBF|Sofa: | I mean fix... |
| [15:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | which fix is that? |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | I used the name "bhursey" then xchat uses TBF|sofa as default =/ |
| [15:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | oh, you editted your xml to use another tv app |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | <GreyFoxx> then you didn't look hard enough :) |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | <GreyFoxx> mythtv@woop:~$ grep -ir xawtv /usr/local/share/mythtv/* |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | <GreyFoxx> /usr/local/share/mythtv/tvmenu.xml: <action>EXECTV xawtv -f |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | -device %s -dspdev %s -vbidev %s</action> |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | <GreyFoxx> /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/classic/tvmenu.xml: |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | <action>EXECTV xawtv -f -device %s -dspdev %s -vbidev %s</action> |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | <bhursey> Thanks!!!! |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | <GreyFoxx> /usr/local/share/mythtv/tvmenu.xml: <action>EXECTV xawtv -f |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | -device %s -dspdev %s -vbidev %s</action> |
| [15:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | \ |
| [15:42:00] | TBF|Sofa: | yep |
| [15:43:00] | TBF|Sofa: | i found out that difernt theams use difernt xml fiules |
| [15:43:00] | TBF|Sofa: | like for classic you use dvdmenu.. and for default its optical+menu |
| [15:43:00] | TBF|Sofa: | opticul_menu |
| [15:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup. A base set, and the themes override the base |
| [15:44:00] | TBF|Sofa: | ya |
| [15:44:00] | TBF|Sofa: | its nice not having to leave the myth interface now. |
| [15:44:00] | TBF|Sofa: | =) |
| [15:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | I bet :) |
| [15:46:00] | TBF|Sofa: | so where you able to get all the features of the Niveus remote working? |
| [15:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [15:46:00] | TBF|Sofa: | whats up with the mouse remote? |
| [15:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | I hacked up a ati remote wonder driver to support it, and have every button configured for something. You can also use lirc instead if you choose |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's just that, a mouse |
| [15:47:00] | TBF|Sofa: | ys lirc probibly would be best but do you use a all and wonder card? |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [15:48:00] | TBF|Sofa: | do you have the hacked driver? |
| [15:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | I personally don't use lirc at all, but lots of people do |
| [15:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | considering I did it and use it all the time , yes I do :) |
| [15:48:00] | TBF|Sofa: | hehe |
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| [16:06:00] | defaultro: | GrexFoxx, do you use mythstream? |
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| [16:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | Nope |
| [16:07:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [16:07:00] | defaultro: | or how do we tell mplayer to use ALSA:digital? |
| [16:08:00] | defaultro: | what fieldname in settings table? |
| [16:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | You don't need to touch the database, just go to the mythdvd(or myth video if that's where you are using it) and add the right commandline flag there |
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| [17:00:00] | hytll: | when i use my tv tuner (plugged in direct from the input to my house), i get vertical bars on the higher channels. is there any way to avoid this? |
| [17:00:00] | hytll: | as the channels go up, the bars get stronger, until I go from around channel 70 to the 90's, at which point they disappear |
| [17:01:00] | hytll: | also, channel 2, 3, and 4 are almost unusable |
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| [17:15:00] | jonK: | hytll, i think this is also a consequnce of yoru splitter, (don't you have a 1-->4) |
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| [17:31:00] | mbcd: | hi everyone |
| [17:31:00] | laga: | hi mbcd |
| [17:32:00] | mbcd: | i have a small question about setting the channels fpr dvb use. how can i import my channels.conf to the mysql db? the existing perl script is out of date |
| [17:32:00] | laga: | you are german, right? |
| [17:32:00] | mbcd: | yep you are right ;) |
| [17:32:00] | mbcd: | are there more germans like me, wanting to know how to import the channels.conf? |
| [17:33:00] | laga: | /join #mythtv-de – yes, they are there (kind of...) |
| [17:33:00] | mbcd: | thnx |
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| [17:57:00] | Darkness1247: | i cant change channels in mythtv, when i try ptune.pl it says : |
| [17:57:00] | Darkness1247: | Ch.3: 61250 980 |
| [17:57:00] | Darkness1247: | Warning: V4l2 driver = 'bttv' does not support the ivtv "enhancements"! |
| [17:57:00] | Darkness1247: | All codec related options will be ignored. |
| [17:57:00] | Darkness1247: | Error: setFrequency(980) failed! |
| [17:57:00] | Darkness1247: | bttv chipset.. |
| [17:57:00] | Darkness1247: | anyone know how to fix this? |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | ptune.pl is only used for ivtv |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | read the message |
| [18:01:00] | MonMotha: | mbcd: there should now be a "scan for channels" option in the channels section of mythtv-setup that will look for DVB broadcasts |
| [18:02:00] | MonMotha: | mbcd: the challenge is getting it to enable itself. For some reason, simply telling myth that you have a DVB adapter isn't enough. You have to give it a video source (xmltv or whatever) and assign it to that adapter too, even though myth by default won't use it (and it in fact appears to require manual database hackery to get it to do so) |
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| [18:21:00] | Darkness1247: | O.o |
| [18:21:00] | Darkness1247: | k |
| [18:22:00] | Darkness1247: | ty |
| [18:24:00] | mbcd: | h ok |
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| [18:29:00] | ma2snm: | hi, im looking to buy a pvr card and was wondering if a hauppauge pvr150mce works fine in linux, or if i should go for the more expensive pvr250? |
| [18:30:00] | darkfire: | i've heard people use it |
| [18:30:00] | darkfire: | the 150, that is |
| [18:30:00] | ma2snm: | i cant really see a huge amount of difference between them |
| [18:30:00] | kormoc: | for the most part, the 150 works |
| [18:31:00] | kormoc: | it's just new and thus can be a bit... flaky at times. |
| [18:31:00] | quink: | can you mix a 150 and 250? |
| [18:31:00] | kormoc: | in theory, yes, donno anyone who's actually done it tho. |
| [18:31:00] | quink: | http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail. . . . mp;oid=99358 |
| [18:33:00] | quink: | thats a good deal. |
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| [18:33:00] | quink: | when you use two tuners does the speed of channel changing increase? |
| [18:35:00] | jonK: | but whatever flaky-ness it hass should evaporate over time |
| [18:35:00] | Tommck: | quink – I just stepped in, so pardon me if I missed something, but what do you mean? |
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| [18:35:00] | quink: | well channel changing is slow on live tv with my one tuner |
| [18:35:00] | jonK: | I think he's askign whether you can use one tunner to prebuffer a next channel |
| [18:35:00] | quink: | i was thinking if you had two, it'd somehow use them in an advantageous way |
| [18:35:00] | jonK: | interesting multituner feature, but i don't think you currently can |
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| [18:36:00] | jonK: | feature idea |
| [18:36:00] | Tommck: | quink – you could, but then you'd have to have 2 tuners dedicated to live TV? |
| [18:36:00] | quink: | Tommck: i dunno. was just thinking out loud |
| [18:36:00] | jonK: | or 3 to really make it work, and which channel would they prebuffer? |
| [18:36:00] | bhursey: | probibly |
| [18:36:00] | jonK: | the next up, next down? |
| [18:36:00] | jonK: | last accessed"? |
| [18:37:00] | bhursey: | they would have to be in sync wouldent they and wouldent |
| [18:37:00] | quink: | simplest thing would be just have an option to decide for yourself where to prebuffer |
| [18:37:00] | quink: | up or down or last accessed |
| [18:38:00] | Tommck: | quink – are you using an IR blaster for channel changing? |
| [18:38:00] | quink: | no, just the remote that came with my pvr |
| [18:38:00] | Tommck: | because it doesn't seem to really be that slow to me |
| [18:39:00] | quink: | takes a second or two |
| [18:39:00] | Tommck: | quink are you tuning cable directly? over the air? or using a cable/satellite dish box? |
| [18:39:00] | bhursey: | thats why i bypased myths tv stuff and pointed it to tv time. |
| [18:40:00] | quink: | directly to my cable |
| [18:40:00] | bhursey: | i of course dont care about fasfowarding and pausing live tv. |
| [18:40:00] | Tommck: | quink – ok. Did you ever own a Tivo? |
| [18:40:00] | quink: | it has to get a second or two recorded in the buffer first. its a nrormal thing as i understand |
| [18:40:00] | quink: | Tommck: nope |
| [18:40:00] | jonK: | quink, after a while, you'll stop watching live tv |
| [18:40:00] | Tommck: | bhursey – you don't have a bladder? ;) |
| [18:40:00] | jonK: | and it will cease to matter |
| [18:40:00] | quink: | jonK: i've had it for two years now |
| [18:40:00] | jonK: | hmm... |
| [18:40:00] | Tommck: | jonK – that's mostly because Live TV isn't as clean as it is in Tivo |
| [18:41:00] | quink: | i mostly have, but sometimes i like to watch casue there is nothing else on |
| [18:41:00] | bhursey: | lol |
| [18:41:00] | Tommck: | quink – in 2 years, you haven't determined the answer to this question yourself? |
| [18:41:00] | jonK: | I think you mean you l like to watch live because there is ALWAYS something else on |
| [18:41:00] | jonK: | that is, something to change the channel to... |
| [18:41:00] | quink: | yeah |
| [18:41:00] | quink: | plus i don't record something like headline news or whatever. |
| [18:42:00] | Tommck: | quink – what's the point in recording the news? it's old by the time you watch it |
| [18:42:00] | quink: | that was my point |
| [18:42:00] | quink: | so i watch it in live tv |
| [18:42:00] | Tommck: | then again... what's the point in watching the news when you can get it on your computer on-demand and more up to date? |
| [18:43:00] | quink: | cause my computer isn't on my couch |
| [18:43:00] | bhursey: | Well i found out if you can deal with out the rewind tv stuff you stil can record and watch using myths stuff but you can watch tv with another app like tvtime and not have a buffer. |
| [18:43:00] | Tommck: | quink apparently it is... (MythTV?) |
| [18:43:00] | Tommck: | hehe |
| [18:43:00] | rjune: | quink: get a video card with rca out |
| [18:44:00] | quink: | rjune: got one |
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| [18:44:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, and when myth goes to record, and tvtime has the video device locked what happens? |
| [18:44:00] | Tommck: | quink – actually.. just use a different input on your TV.. .If you want live TV, why not just split the cable? |
| [18:44:00] | quink: | it is |
| [18:44:00] | quink: | but i still like pause and all that |
| [18:44:00] | Tommck: | If you're not dealing with a set top box, I don't see the point to watching Live TV in MythTV |
| [18:44:00] | quink: | do any of you use a bigscreen tv that is a widescreen? |
| [18:44:00] | bhursey: | kormoc I dont watch tv while im recording but good point. |
| [18:44:00] | Tommck: | quink – I do |
| [18:45:00] | quink: | what resolution do you output? |
| [18:45:00] | Tommck: | currently 960x640 |
| [18:45:00] | Tommck: | 540 |
| [18:45:00] | bhursey: | my system is not powerfull enought that is why i disabled myths tv stuff because it was lagging and the sound was 20 sec behind. |
| [18:45:00] | quink: | works better then 800x600 or whatever? |
| [18:45:00] | Tommck: | I have worked on some other ones, but couldn't nail down the right settings for X |
| [18:45:00] | Tommck: | quink – 800x600 isn't wide scree |
| [18:45:00] | Tommck: | n |
| [18:46:00] | quink: | yeah for some reason when i set it up it never crossed my mind that the tv was widescreen |
| [18:46:00] | quink: | so i turned on the stretch feature in the tv tha ti normally use anyways and just did 800x600 with overscan setup |
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| [18:46:00] | Tommck: | oh. |
| [18:46:00] | quink: | heh |
| [18:46:00] | Tommck: | well, 960x540 is pretty decent |
| [18:46:00] | quink: | does your resolution stretch the tv shows to fit? |
| [18:47:00] | Tommck: | quink – which shows? |
| [18:47:00] | Tommck: | some shows are already wide-screen |
| [18:47:00] | quink: | normal tv stuff |
| [18:47:00] | Tommck: | 4:3 ratio TV? |
| [18:47:00] | quink: | yeah |
| [18:47:00] | Tommck: | I have it set up to override and switch to 16x9 stretch mode |
| [18:48:00] | quink: | ah |
| [18:48:00] | Tommck: | that way, the low-def recordings off my PVR-500 automagically stretch |
| [18:48:00] | quink: | i really want to get a new video card and see if i can't make use of the dvi input on my tv |
| [18:48:00] | Tommck: | the ones from my HD3000 cards don't |
| [18:48:00] | quink: | do you record hdtv off of cable or ? |
| [18:48:00] | bhursey: | quink do that because it really makes a difernce my dads tv has dvd and I tried it once. |
| [18:48:00] | Tommck: | no.. OTA |
| [18:49:00] | quink: | get many channels? |
| [18:49:00] | bhursey: | DVI not DVD |
| [18:49:00] | quink: | bhursey: any hard setup or just plug the cables in and thats it? |
| [18:49:00] | Tommck: | quink – all the networks... ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX |
| [18:50:00] | Tommck: | the WB too |
| [18:50:00] | Tommck: | and UPN or something |
| [18:50:00] | quink: | any special setup or just put the antenna someplace and thats it? |
| [18:50:00] | bhursey: | well you have to set your x config to the rez of the screen and select it to acept that input in the tv setup menu |
| [18:50:00] | bhursey: | its basicly a monitor |
| [18:50:00] | bhursey: | =) |
| [18:51:00] | bhursey: | well a 52 inch projection monitor |
| [18:51:00] | bhursey: | =) |
| [18:51:00] | kormoc: | too bad you can't just pull up the screen and reverse the image and have a projector and a tv in one. |
| [18:51:00] | bhursey: | but the way the tv acepts the input may differ by model. we have a toshiba |
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| [18:52:00] | quink: | ah |
| [18:52:00] | quink: | well i might look into it, but after i get a hdtv card no point i think until i do |
| [18:52:00] | bhursey: | he made me stop doing it because he was worried about burn in |
| [18:52:00] | quink: | still have better uses for 150$ though |
| [18:52:00] | Beirdo: | beer |
| [18:52:00] | braniff: | hookers |
| [18:52:00] | Beirdo: | both |
| [18:52:00] | braniff: | heh |
| [18:52:00] | bhursey: | hookers, and bear? |
| [18:53:00] | bhursey: | beer |
| [18:53:00] | quink: | it'd be nice if mythtv had a 'anti-burn-in' checkbox. turn it on and after 5 minutes or something the image does somethign to prevent burn in |
| [18:53:00] | quink: | so if someone forgets to turn off the tv it doesn't get screwed up |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | it's called a screensaver |
| [18:53:00] | bhursey: | well you can have x start up a screen saver |
| [18:53:00] | quink: | bleh |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | or a power button |
| [18:53:00] | quink: | i rather have a check box. too much work for me to bother |
| [18:53:00] | laga: | or smartness |
| [18:53:00] | bhursey: | but the peopblem with that is say your watching tv or a movie. it will start with those running |
| [18:53:00] | braniff: | have the drunk hooker turn the tv off for you |
| [18:53:00] | rjune: | quink: like maybe after 5 minutes of no input go to mythweather? |
| [18:54:00] | quink: | dunno |
| [18:54:00] | quink: | just throwing thoughts out |
| [18:54:00] | bhursey: | there has to be a way to tell it run except when mplayer and tvtime are running |
| [18:54:00] | rjune: | bhursey: true |
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| [18:54:00] | quink: | i'm sure its not as hard to make it intelligent and know when to run or not |
| [18:54:00] | laga: | braniff: rotfl |
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| [18:55:00] | quink: | if its on a mythtv screen and passes a certain amount of time, run whatever program or something |
| [18:55:00] | bhursey: | just have to do a little seaching or put your own controle structure in a suplementery script. |
| [18:55:00] | bhursey: | thats an idea |
| [18:55:00] | quink: | just run one of the mythmusic screensaver things |
| [18:55:00] | bhursey: | or go o live tv |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: poke xris in the ribs, he hasn't logged in yet :) |
| [18:56:00] | rjune: | quink: mythmusic stuff hits the cpu pretty hard, my mythbox can't handle that and playing music |
| [18:56:00] | bhursey: | Do yall know if any one needs php developers who have barly any time to work on some modules? =D |
| [18:57:00] | laga: | rjune: is it possible that your mythbox sucks? *hides* ;) |
| [18:57:00] | rjune: | laga: maybe it just blows |
| [18:57:00] | laga: | yeah. as long as it doesn't swallow... |
| [18:57:00] | quink: | rjune: really? hah |
| [18:57:00] | bhursey: | what are your boxes specs? |
| [18:58:00] | quink: | then again my box might be a bit overpowered |
| [18:58:00] | rjune: | bhursey: P3/533 |
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| [18:58:00] | bhursey: | ya that would explain it |
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| [18:59:00] | bhursey: | how does it do playing tv through myth |
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| [18:59:00] | bhursey: | i run an 1.3 and it lagged |
| [18:59:00] | laga: | rjune: are you using xvmc? |
| [19:00:00] | rjune: | dunno what it is |
| [19:01:00] | laga: | umm, some kind of hardware accel for mpeg2 decoding – it only works with nvidia and via cards |
| [19:01:00] | bhursey: | really? |
| [19:02:00] | laga: | yeah |
| [19:02:00] | bhursey: | because i need hardware acell for that that is why i bypassed myth standard tv viewer. |
| [19:02:00] | bhursey: | and I have a nvidia card and a via chipset. |
| [19:02:00] | bhursey: | =) |
| [19:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | bhursey: Your issue was in the capture/encoding, not in decoder/display I thought |
| [19:03:00] | bhursey: | i dono.. im able to capture video by its self but i cant do both captur and play. |
| [19:04:00] | bhursey: | i tried doing a manual recording and it worked great. |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | xvmc might help |
| [19:04:00] | Rhapsody2: | which is the best hauppage pvr card to get, and what would use the least cpu power? |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | it doesn't use 0 cpu, but a lot less than software decoding |
| [19:04:00] | bhursey: | yes |
| [19:04:00] | laga: | braniff: well, do you capture in mpeg2? |
| [19:05:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, all hardware mpeg hauppage cards (150, 250, 350, 500) use next to no cpu power. |
| [19:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | Actually right, if you are doing software captures you are not capturing in mpeg2 anyway |
| [19:05:00] | bhursey: | that should hep me some. |
| [19:05:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, as for what the best one, that's more up to what you want |
| [19:05:00] | braniff: | me? i use a Hauupauage WinTV Go |
| [19:05:00] | kormoc: | eew. |
| [19:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | bhursey: If you are not recoding mpeg2 stuff, the xvmc wont help you |
| [19:05:00] | ** kormoc doesn't like software tv encoder cards. ** | |
| [19:05:00] | bhursey: | ohh |
| [19:06:00] | ** Tommck agrees with kormoc ** | |
| [19:06:00] | bhursey: | well it was worth a shot |
| [19:06:00] | laga: | kormoc: because they suck. ;) |
| [19:06:00] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [19:06:00] | ** kormoc pokes cyberknet about his pair. ** | |
| [19:06:00] | ** laga hugs the pvr 250 ** | |
| [19:06:00] | bhursey: | i am a poor college student saving for a weading.. =P |
| [19:06:00] | Rhapsody2: | i have a 1 GHz P3 processor, which of the 150/250/350 cards would suit me best, i am not planning on having multiple cards |
| [19:06:00] | bhursey: | i only could aford a 40$ card |
| [19:07:00] | Tommck: | bhursey – you can get a PVR-150 for $70 or so |
| [19:07:00] | Tommck: | well worth it |
| [19:07:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, 350 if you want to do really nice mpeg-2 tv out. |
| [19:07:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, other then that, likle the 150 would be better |
| [19:07:00] | braniff: | Tommck, who sells pvr150s for $70 ? |
| [19:07:00] | bhursey: | i thought that did not have hardware endodeing and decoding |
| [19:07:00] | Tommck: | Rhapsody2 – you blaspheme! "not planning on having multiple cards" !?!? |
| [19:07:00] | bhursey: | i thought only the 350 did |
| [19:07:00] | Tommck: | bhursey – it has encoding in hardware. |
| [19:08:00] | Rhapsody2: | i should use that instead of my ATI's video out? |
| [19:08:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, it'll likly work better. |
| [19:08:00] | Tommck: | bhursey – right... only the 350 has the output |
| [19:08:00] | bhursey: | I just need to up my cpu |
| [19:08:00] | ** kormoc raises a eyebrow. ** | |
| [19:08:00] | ** Tommck is confused ** | |
| [19:08:00] | Rhapsody2: | is there any big difference between the 350 and the 350MCE? |
| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | we upped our CPU, so up yours! |
| [19:08:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, it'd be cheaper in the long run to buy a 150 and not up the cpu. |
| [19:08:00] | bhursey: | i hear the leadtek 2000xp Expert runs great withe a 1.7+ |
| [19:09:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo - :) |
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| [19:09:00] | kormoc: | http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail. . . . mp;oid=99358 <-- pvr 150 for $60 |
| [19:09:00] | bhursey: | well i will just put my current pc's hardware in it when i do my next upgrade.. Curentley ist running an 3000+ barton. |
| [19:09:00] | ** Tommck bows to kormoc's cheapness in finding it for $60 :) ** | |
| [19:10:00] | laga: | Tommck: you should read the -users ML ;) |
| [19:10:00] | bhursey: | I upgrade once every 2 years my next upgrade is dew next summer. |
| [19:10:00] | Tommck: | laga – too many friggin messages |
| [19:10:00] | laga: | Tommck: heh |
| [19:10:00] | Tommck: | I am subscribed, but it's too much |
| [19:10:00] | Rhapsody2: | wow, i might get that 150 for $60 |
| [19:10:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, my pixelview pro runs fine on my 2.4 ghz, but it stull just sucks overall, picture quality sucks compaired ot the pvr's, eats cpu that could be flagging commericals, etc. |
| [19:10:00] | Rei_Toi: | Thanks Bierdo — I needed a laugh today! |
| [19:10:00] | braniff: | oohh damn! gotta get me one of them there $60 pvr 150s |
| [19:10:00] | Tommck: | laga – you mean the $60 price was in the -users list? |
| [19:10:00] | Rhapsody2: | so no vid out on them? |
| [19:10:00] | laga: | Tommck: yeah |
| [19:11:00] | bhursey: | i got good pic quality with my 2000xp |
| [19:11:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, no vid out in the 150. |
| [19:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | Rhapsody2: Only the 350 has a decoder+video out |
| [19:11:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, have you seen the pvr's quality? |
| [19:11:00] | Rhapsody2: | 1GHz P3 should decode MPEG-2 fine, no? |
| [19:11:00] | bhursey: | i had bad luck with my old penicul systems card so this time I avoided them |
| [19:11:00] | bhursey: | no |
| [19:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | Rhapsody2: IT should decode yes |
| [19:11:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, yes, it should. |
| [19:11:00] | Tommck: | Rhapsody2 – yeah |
| [19:11:00] | Rhapsody2: | i need a special ati video out driver for my card, right? |
| [19:11:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, trust me, the pvr's look a lot better then any bttv card. |
| [19:12:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, depends on the card, some ati cards just don't work at all |
| [19:12:00] | Rhapsody2: | i heard i need a video out add-on app |
| [19:12:00] | bhursey: | kormoc do you thing a pvr 150 will fix my prblem? |
| [19:12:00] | bhursey: | then I could acualy have 2 tuners. |
| [19:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | the other tuner would still chew cpu when it's recording |
| [19:13:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – were you the one who recommended avidemux to me? |
| [19:13:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, capturing with a 150 will use likly about .3% cpu or so. my bttv card uses about 35% of my 2.4 when it's recording. |
| [19:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | Tommck: I doubt I recommended it, but I would have told you that I had used it |
| [19:13:00] | kormoc: | erm, that was to bhursey |
| [19:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use it for most of my editing |
| [19:14:00] | bhursey: | what did yall run on? |
| [19:14:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxxy – I was trying to figure out a good way to make DVDs from my NUV files.. |
| [19:14:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – do you use it on Windows? |
| [19:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [19:14:00] | Rhapsody2: | kormoc: great, that is perfect |
| [19:14:00] | Tommck: | Grey – ah |
| [19:14:00] | bhursey: | not the Win word |
| [19:14:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, so ya, likly with the 150 you can watch and record at the same time, without the bttv card in the box. |
| [19:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | Is there a windows version of it ? |
| [19:14:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, run on? |
| [19:14:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – apparently so |
| [19:14:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – but the docs are really thin on it |
| [19:14:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, good, glad I could help |
| [19:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | cool. I had no idea :) |
| [19:15:00] | bhursey: | cpu speed |
| [19:15:00] | Rhapsody2: | would running a web server off the same box cause any slow downs or trouble? |
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| [19:15:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, if it's a big site, aye, but likly not for a small site. |
| [19:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well it would depends on just what tha webserver was doing |
| [19:15:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – if I had a desktop Linux box sitting in front of me, I'd use it. I have 5 linux boxen here, but none of them are my desktop boxes |
| [19:15:00] | bhursey: | ya if it was pulling alot of files it would catch |
| [19:16:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, I use a 2.4 ghz p4, 1 gig ddr 400 ram. |
| [19:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | Tommck: you could export the X display of the app to a windows x server ?:) |
| [19:16:00] | bhursey: | ahh |
| [19:16:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – yeah, but I was assuming that the transfer rate wouldn't be so hot for video editing :) |
| [19:16:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – am I wrong? |
| [19:16:00] | bhursey: | dosent the 150 use ivtv |
| [19:16:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, I'm getting two 250's from cyberknet, and they are gonna go in a p3–500 to work as a backend. |
| [19:16:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, yes, it does. |
| [19:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | bhursey: the hardware encoders use almost no bandwidth. Some people have celeron 300's running multiple pvr cards |
| [19:17:00] | Rhapsody2: | kormoc: not a big nor popular site but very large files |
| [19:17:00] | Rhapsody2: | my connect max speed is 384 kbps |
| [19:17:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, depends on load average of the cpu, how fast the drives can transfer data and how much data you are sending. |
| [19:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | Tommck: it should be fine. Depends on what you are looking for. If you want fullmotion video and audio then it wouldn't be ideal |
| [19:17:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, ooh, shouldn't be a issue at all. |
| [19:18:00] | jonK: | when did cyberknet just start handing out pvr250's? |
| [19:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | I just jump to where I want to be, skip a few keyframes either way and mark it |
| [19:18:00] | kormoc: | jonK, when I paid him money for them :P |
| [19:18:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – I just want to edit shows to clip out commercials and stuff, I expect |
| [19:18:00] | Rhapsody2: | yea, what software can i use to edit the recordings? |
| [19:18:00] | bhursey: | is it the Win TV150 PVR-MCE |
| [19:19:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, for commericals? use commerical flagging in myth and have it transcode them out. it can do it automagically. |
| [19:19:00] | bhursey: | newegg has them for 67$ |
| [19:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | Tommck: The best thing you can do is try it and see if it meets your needs. It meets mine, but might not for you |
| [19:19:00] | Rhapsody2: | kormoc: cool, didn't know that existed, what would i have to set? |
| [19:20:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – yeah... now that I think about it, I just want to get the original captured MPG ... is there an easier way? |
| [19:20:00] | bhursey: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620 |
| [19:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | Easier way to what ? |
| [19:20:00] | Rhapsody2: | wouldn't post-processing be better? |
| [19:20:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, you'd need to read the myth documents. |
| [19:21:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – to get my stuff on DVD... I can drop it over to my WIndows box and use Roxio's DVD Builder |
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| [19:21:00] | Rhapsody2: | k, i would instead use quicktime but i cannot get it to precisely select a certain frame |
| [19:21:00] | bhursey: | you can use dvd create |
| [19:21:00] | bhursey: | i mean dvdauthor |
| [19:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm still missing what you mean by easier. MAke cutting commericials easier ? |
| [19:21:00] | Tommck: | bhursey – does that handle editing and stuff too |
| [19:22:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – I'm hoping... I haven't used DVD Builder before. |
| [19:22:00] | bhursey: | no normaly you need to have the mpegs ready.. |
| [19:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't consider using avidemux even close to complex |
| [19:22:00] | bhursey: | its a comandline tool |
| [19:22:00] | Tommck: | <-- inexperienced at this |
| [19:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | but avidemux is not for making dvd's |
| [19:22:00] | Tommck: | bhursey – well, I need to edit the video first |
| [19:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's just for editing |
| [19:22:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – right |
| [19:22:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – it's one of the things I'd need to do |
| [19:22:00] | bhursey: | http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/ |
| [19:23:00] | Rhapsody2: | if i dropped recorded MPEG-2 into Roxio (Adaptec) Toast, under DVD, would it try to re-encode or would it see that it is that format and just create VOBs? |
| [19:23:00] | bhursey: | i think you can edit with it |
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| [19:23:00] | Tommck: | bhursey – I'll check it out |
| [19:23:00] | bhursey: | i just dont know how. One second im looking at gui front ends |
| [19:24:00] | bhursey: | here are the features of one of the front ends. |
| [19:24:00] | bhursey: | http://polidori.sourceforge.net/index.php?section_id=5 |
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| [19:25:00] | Rhapsody2: | i heard that on MPEG-2 encoder cards u can get it to transcode into MPEG-4 (for smaller file sizes), is there a way to get MythTV to do this after the MPEG-2 is recorded instead of on-the-fly? |
| [19:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't think dvdauthor does editing, unless it's seriously changed since last I looked at it |
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| [19:25:00] | bhursey: | ya I wasent sure I always use mpegs that are allready ready. |
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| [19:25:00] | bhursey: | I just use it to get the mpeg to dvd fromat |
| [19:26:00] | kormoc: | hihi cyberknet |
| [19:26:00] | bhursey: | im tempted to get the 250 |
| [19:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | Rhapsody2: There are auto transcoding abilities within myth, or you can lookat using nuv export. I don't use any of that so I couldn't tell you exactly what you would need to setup |
| [19:26:00] | Tommck: | bhursey – why? |
| [19:26:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – does nuvexport work well? |
| [19:26:00] | bhursey: | because the 150 seams to not have anything hardware. it just uses ivtv |
| [19:26:00] | Tommck: | oh.. |
| [19:26:00] | Tommck: | duh |
| [19:27:00] | ** Tommck slaps himself for not readin GreyFoxx's whole message before responding :) ** | |
| [19:27:00] | Tommck: | bhursey – you're not understanding |
| [19:27:00] | bhursey: | but ivtv may just fix my problem |
| [19:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | bhursey: ummmmm you are misunderstanding something here |
| [19:27:00] | Tommck: | bhursey – the 150 is hardware encoding, just like the 250 |
| [19:27:00] | Rhapsody2: | ok, i am just going to try to get something called "Gatos" working which will enable my ATI's TV out |
| [19:27:00] | Tommck: | but cheaper |
| [19:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | the ivtv drivers are for the pvr xxx cards , the cards all do hardware encoding |
| [19:27:00] | Tommck: | ivtv is a driver |
| [19:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think you are confusing it with bttv |
| [19:28:00] | bhursey: | well i was just going off of the specs on new weeg and it did not seem like the 150 did encodeing but if yall say it does I will get it. |
| [19:29:00] | kormoc: | it does hardware mpeg-2 encoding. (yes, that's a period :P) |
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| [19:29:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html |
| [19:29:00] | kormoc: | bhursey, Digital VCR, too! Record your TV shows and home movies to disk using hardware MPEG-2 compression! |
| [19:30:00] | bhursey: | haha i bet thats for windows only |
| [19:30:00] | laga: | kormoc: that sounds like a killer feature to me. where can i buy it?! |
| [19:30:00] | kormoc: | no, that's what ivtv is for, it's the linux driver. |
| [19:30:00] | bhursey: | i always ignore software |
| [19:30:00] | bhursey: | haha |
| [19:30:00] | jonK: | if anyone can, I need help with mythconverg.... fresh installation and "mysql -u root < mc.sql" seems to create mythconverge, but no tables, am i missing something here? |
| [19:30:00] | kormoc: | laga, I was quoting the hardware mpeg-2 compression part :P |
| [19:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | jonK: The tables are created by the myth apps when you load it |
| [19:31:00] | laga: | kormoc: doesnt matter – i want it! |
| [19:31:00] | kormoc: | laga, buy it then! |
| [19:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | use mc.sql, run myth setup, then run the backend+frontend |
| [19:31:00] | jonK: | ok, I have not run mythsetup yet (am ssh'd in remotely) |
| [19:31:00] | bhursey: | the only one i see on new eg is the MCE edition |
| [19:31:00] | Tommck: | laga – I'm gonna buy two of them! I'll sit one next to my Chia Pet and my Pet Rock! |
| [19:32:00] | jonK: | any console based way to run mythtv-setup? |
| [19:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | not really |
| [19:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | export the x session? do it via vnc ? |
| [19:32:00] | laga: | cool |
| [19:32:00] | jonK: | well then, I'll just get some work done instead |
| [19:32:00] | jonK: | fine |
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| [19:33:00] | bhursey: | crap the MCE edition does not have a remote.. but of course that can be a good thing. |
| [19:33:00] | bhursey: | crap im off of work now |
| [19:33:00] | bhursey: | later |
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| [19:34:00] | Tommck: | any nuvexport users here? |
| [19:35:00] | Rhapsody2: | does FC4 have Gatos built-in? |
| [19:36:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, likly not? |
| [19:36:00] | kormoc: | tomimo, I use it from time to time |
| [19:36:00] | Tommck: | kothog – oh? :) |
| [19:36:00] | kothog: | what? |
| [19:37:00] | Tommck: | sorry... |
| [19:37:00] | kothog: | k |
| [19:37:00] | Tommck: | kothog – I was playing with kormoc... he replied to me with "tomimo"... so I too something similar |
| [19:37:00] | Tommck: | I used something similar to his... was just playing around :) |
| [19:37:00] | Rhapsody2: | XFree86 graphical environment? would a patch that allows tv out on that work with MythTV? |
| [19:38:00] | kormoc: | tomimo, kothog, oops, sorry :P |
| [19:38:00] | kormoc: | Rhapsody2, depeds on what your running, xfree or xorg, and what version. |
| [19:38:00] | kormoc: | fc4 uses xorg iirc. |
| [19:38:00] | Rhapsody2: | i am using fc3? |
| [19:38:00] | Rhapsody2: | should i update? |
| [19:39:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [19:39:00] | kormoc: | fc3 uses xorg too, iirc. |
| [19:40:00] | Rhapsody2: | is fc3 6.8.99.1 – 6.8.99.3 or 6.8.99.4 – and newer |
| [19:41:00] | Tommck: | kormoc – I'm having issues finding installation help for nuvexport... am I missing something? |
| [19:41:00] | kormoc: | Tommck, nuvexport is just a perl script, it doesn't need installing really |
| [19:41:00] | Tommck: | kormoc – oh... you just give it command-line parameters and it figures stuff out? |
| [19:42:00] | kormoc: | Tommck, or just run it and you get a simple menu |
| [19:42:00] | Tommck: | kormoc – ahh.. ok.. I didn't want to break anything by running it without knowing what I am doing. |
| [19:42:00] | Tommck: | am I supposed to untar it in a specific place? |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: where's that xris dude hiding? |
| [19:44:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, he's out on a uhh, what did he call it... a preventative sick day |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [19:45:00] | kormoc: | Tommck, you shouldn't have to, nope. |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
| [19:45:00] | Tommck: | kormoc – cool. Is there a way to figure out which .nuv file is associated with which TV show (easily) ? |
| [19:45:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, he'll likly hop in later, lucky guy he is :) |
| [19:45:00] | kormoc: | Tommck, the menu system displays a lot of that info for ya |
| [19:46:00] | Tommck: | kormoc – ok.. cool |
| [19:46:00] | stoffel: | kormoc: on monday? that's just too obvious :) |
| [19:46:00] | stoffel: | oh, hi Beirdo ;) |
| [19:46:00] | Tommck: | hmm... it appears that I don't have ffmpeg installed |
| [19:47:00] | Rhapsody2: | how do i remove my X.org installation? |
| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | heya, stoffel :) |
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| [19:48:00] | kormoc: | stoffel, hehe, tis the best time, or a friday, but a wensday sick day sucks :P |
| [19:49:00] | stoffel: | Beirdo: so, how do you feel? |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | feel? |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | I'm fine.. :) |
| [19:49:00] | stoffel: | just what i thought |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | hehe, why? |
| [19:50:00] | stoffel: | 19:44 kormoc > Beirdo, he's out on a uhh, what did he call it... a preventative sick day |
| [19:50:00] | kormoc: | stoffel, Beirdo asked bout where xris was. |
| [19:50:00] | cyberknet: | stoffel: kormoc was answering Beirdo's question |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, xris is |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:50:00] | ** kormoc laughs. ** | |
| [19:50:00] | stoffel: | oh :) |
| [19:51:00] | stoffel: | ok, ok, must be because of the heat here |
| [19:51:00] | laga: | *snicker* |
| [19:52:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:52:00] | laga: | it's getting better. 8pm now. |
| [19:52:00] | Beirdo: | or old age or something, I use that excuse sometiems |
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| [19:53:00] | quink: | damn it. no computer in my house can write to a floppy disk for some reason |
| [19:54:00] | stoffel: | laga: not here |
| [19:55:00] | laga: | stoffel: ha-ha. |
| [19:55:00] | laga: | stoffel: i'll spend 90 minutes in an air-conditioned cars tonight.. :> |
| [19:55:00] | Tommck: | quink – what are you using a floppy for? |
| [19:56:00] | quink: | make a boot disk for a drive test |
| [19:56:00] | stoffel: | laga: hm, i have air-condition in the car. i'm thinking about sleeping in the car tonight |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | no AC at home? |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | you unlucky man |
| [19:57:00] | stoffel: | Beirdo: we're in Europe, man ;) |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | fill the bathtub with cold water |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I know |
| [19:57:00] | stoffel: | no bathtub either :( |
| [19:57:00] | laga: | stoffel: well, after i mowed the lawn at 5pm, i spent 5 minutes in my car with the AC turned on ;) |
| [19:57:00] | laga: | Beirdo: he'd need a waterproof laptop for that |
| [19:57:00] | Tommck: | stoffel – Europe == no AC? |
| [19:58:00] | laga: | Tommck: it's not very common. |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | laga: I need me one of those :) |
| [19:58:00] | Tommck: | laga – I guess I'm not travelling to normal places there :) |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | sit in the tub with a laptop :) |
| [19:58:00] | stoffel: | Tommck: well, in Europe north of Italy, AC in your home isn't the standard |
| [19:58:00] | Tommck: | sit in the tub with a toaster |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | you first, tommck |
| [19:58:00] | Tommck: | stoffel – I see |
| [19:58:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo :) |
| [19:58:00] | jonK: | that does not sound habit forming |
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| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | waterproof books would be nice too |
| [19:59:00] | laga: | Beirdo: waterproof ebooks |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | I don't do ebooks, but that could work |
| [20:00:00] | laga: | bits are waterproof, i guess. it's just hard to read CDs when you aren't superman |
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| [20:01:00] | Tommck: | so... if I want to snag the MPG files from the NUV wrapper, what parameters should I be setting up with nuvexport? |
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| [20:02:00] | Tommck: | it's complaining that I don't have ffmpeg installed, do I have to use that, or is mencoder or transcode a better option for me anyway? |
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| [20:19:00] | garrick: | Thank you mythtv developers! You've made me a happier man! Gone are the days where I have to watch the gf's stupid celebrity gossip shows! |
| [20:20:00] | Tommck: | hehe |
| [20:20:00] | garrick: | she gets to watch them during the day without me snarling at her :) |
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| [20:21:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [20:25:00] | garrick: | now if I could just figure out my goofy tvout resolution |
| [20:26:00] | garrick: | it works fine, but the display is a little bit "larger" than the tv screen |
| [20:26:00] | Tommck: | garrick – yeah... that's called overscan |
| [20:26:00] | garrick: | is that an X config that I can change? using the ivtv-dev X driver |
| [20:27:00] | Tommck: | garrick – there are a few approaches. I'd honestly recommend googling or searching the -users mailing list. That horse is so dead, it's just a lump of protoplasm by now |
| [20:28:00] | Tommck: | There are some settings in the Mythfrontend to compensate for it |
| [20:28:00] | garrick: | I'm googling now, but now I have a new term "overscan" to use |
| [20:28:00] | Tommck: | garrick – yeah... that'll help :) |
| [20:29:00] | garrick: | I'm using the mythfrontend GUI size now, but I don't like that approach... because it's just a repeating problem with xine, mplayer, etc. |
| [20:29:00] | Tommck: | garrick – well, you probably won't solve it for your whole OS |
| [20:30:00] | Chutt: | videos are _supposed_ to be larger than fullscreen |
| [20:30:00] | garrick: | no? it should be fixable in X? |
| [20:30:00] | Chutt: | the ui isn't |
| [20:30:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – right |
| [20:30:00] | garrick: | videos are currently far too large |
| [20:30:00] | Chutt: | should be about 5% on all sides |
| [20:30:00] | garrick: | in xine, I can't even see the controls in the dvd menus |
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| [20:31:00] | garrick: | (on some movies) |
| [20:31:00] | Tommck: | garrick – I don't know... I didn't use an X solution to fix it.. I used the GUI size. |
| [20:32:00] | garrick: | it's enough that the WM's (kde, gnome, flux, etc.) panel and desktop icons are all off the screen |
| [20:32:00] | Chutt: | they're supposed to be, if overscan is set to the right amount |
| [20:32:00] | Chutt: | window managers weren't designed with the safe area of a tv in mind |
| [20:34:00] | garrick: | hrm, that kinda sucks, there's no good solution here? |
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| [20:36:00] | garrick: | oh, another question... how do I start DVD ripping? I get to the menu, select a track, and I can't figure out how to actually start it! |
| [20:38:00] | garrick: | I'm so incredibly impressed with mythtv, it's such a cool platform |
| [20:39:00] | MonMotha: | bah |
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| [20:39:00] | MonMotha: | I'm trying to figure out if it's worth going an getting a PVR-150. They're fairly cheap, but I really don't want the hassle of trying to get ivtv to cooperate with DVB |
| [20:40:00] | kazer_: | anyone can help me with a pvr350 and black picture? |
| [20:41:00] | Tommck: | MonMotha – there are issues with ivtv and DVB? |
| [20:42:00] | MonMotha: | Tommck: I've seen people indicate that they don't always like to get along |
| [20:42:00] | MonMotha: | ivtv pretty heavily mucks with v4l, and the card I'm using has some ugly v4l dependencies to get it working as DVB |
| [20:42:00] | Tommck: | MonMotha – that sucks... since they're going to drop support for my pcHDTV cards as they are in MythTV and go with DVB-only, apparently |
| [20:42:00] | MonMotha: | correct |
| [20:42:00] | MonMotha: | the pchdtv dvb drivers are much nicer |
| [20:43:00] | MonMotha: | but apparently they don't get along with ivtv nicely |
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| [20:43:00] | Tommck: | MonMotha – interesting |
| [20:43:00] | MonMotha: | what I want to know is why ivtv isn't also moving to dvb. It would be the more appropriate api |
| [20:43:00] | Tommck: | dunno |
| [20:43:00] | MonMotha: | would also mean that nothing would require special patches to support it using the modified v4l interface |
| [20:44:00] | Tommck: | ok.. |
| [20:44:00] | Tommck: | would that also get rid of the conflicts with different tuner.o and msp3400.o files? |
| [20:44:00] | Chutt: | uh, how would dvb be the appropriate api for the ivtv cards? |
| [20:45:00] | MonMotha: | Chutt: the DVB API isn't really all that specific to DVB |
| [20:45:00] | MonMotha: | it's basically being used as a general purpose API for digital TV these days |
| [20:45:00] | Chutt: | and the ivtv is digital tv? |
| [20:46:00] | MonMotha: | it gives you a compressed video feed, which is a lot more like a digital tv tuner than the normal analog stuff |
| [20:46:00] | Chutt: | no |
| [20:46:00] | ** Tommck puts on his asbestos suit to ward or collateral damage ** | |
| [20:46:00] | Chutt: | it still tunes and acts like an analog card |
| [20:46:00] | MonMotha: | fuck it |
| [20:46:00] | Chutt: | the only thing that's not standard v4l about it is the setup, really |
| [20:46:00] | MonMotha: | the problem is that they're not clearly either (which is why they don't exactly fit into the v4l api nicely either) |
| [20:47:00] | Chutt: | and that could be fixed now, since i believe all the necessary stuff's in the v4l api now |
| [20:47:00] | MonMotha: | they tune like an analog card, but give you MPEG2 compressed video |
| [20:47:00] | MonMotha: | oh well |
| [20:47:00] | MonMotha: | I don't care. I don't think I 'll buy one |
| [20:47:00] | Chutt: | there's a data type in the v4l2 api for mpeg2 video |
| [20:47:00] | Chutt: | it's not terribly different from, say, mjpeg cards |
| [20:47:00] | Chutt: | which have been using the v4l api for quite a number of years. |
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| [20:54:00] | wswanson: | test, ignore |
| [20:54:00] | Tommck: | testes... 1...2...3... |
| [20:59:00] | cyberknet: | wait... three? I call recount |
| [20:59:00] | Tommck: | heh |
| [21:00:00] | cyberknet: | damn republican math =) |
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| [21:09:00] | esoteric[work]: | afternoon |
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| [21:44:00] | KSG-MoD: | hi there |
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| [22:26:00] | kormoc: | anyone wanna send me a say, 5 min clip from a pvr card? |
| [22:26:00] | kormoc: | it can be low quality. |
| [22:26:00] | kormoc: | hell, it could be a 2 min clip for all I care. |
| [22:27:00] | mchou: | I'm not volunteering. |
| [22:28:00] | mchou: | how do you want ppl to send it? |
| [22:28:00] | mchou: | email? |
| [22:28:00] | kormoc: | email would work grand |
| [22:28:00] | mchou: | email wont work. |
| [22:28:00] | kormoc: | ooh? why's that? |
| [22:28:00] | mchou: | filesize would blow up email limits. |
| [22:29:00] | mchou: | either on sender or receiver end. |
| [22:29:00] | kormoc: | 2 min at 2 gigs a hour is only 70 megs, would be fine on my end... |
| [22:29:00] | kormoc: | could scp it to myself too... |
| [22:29:00] | kormoc: | or dcc it... |
| [22:30:00] | kormoc: | it's not like file sharing is a new concept on the web |
| [22:30:00] | kormoc: | could throw it on a web server and let me download it that way too. |
| [22:30:00] | mchou: | according to the supreme cout today it might be :) |
| [22:30:00] | mchou: | court* |
| [22:30:00] | kormoc: | they may say it's illegal, but they never said it's new :P |
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| [22:32:00] | safecracker: | is anyone else having issues with the ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main repository? |
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| [22:33:00] | MonMotha: | "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" worked last time I updated |
| [22:33:00] | safecracker: | mine isnt |
| [22:33:00] | safecracker: | im getting a md4sum mismatch |
| [22:33:00] | safecracker: | 5* |
| [22:33:00] | MonMotha: | what package? |
| [22:33:00] | SlicerDicer--: | question for you guys if you have a moment |
| [22:34:00] | safecracker: | its not a specific package its packages.gz |
| [22:34:00] | SlicerDicer--: | I am wondering I got my tv out working but the tv is flickery as hell does anybody know how to correct this? |
| [22:34:00] | MonMotha: | safecracker: hum...let me run update |
| [22:34:00] | safecracker: | what card are u using slicer |
| [22:35:00] | SlicerDicer--: | umm for the moment my nvidia till I can figure out how to get my pvr350 to do it |
| [22:35:00] | SlicerDicer--: | I mean I can read everything just fine just the problem is the flicker is out of this world |
| [22:36:00] | MonMotha: | you may have the wrong tv norm set up |
| [22:36:00] | SlicerDicer--: | what you mean tv norm? |
| [22:36:00] | MonMotha: | PAL/NTSC/SECAM |
| [22:36:00] | SlicerDicer--: | I have it set to NTSC |
| [22:36:00] | SlicerDicer--: | that is correct for USA :P |
| [22:36:00] | MonMotha: | yes, it is |
| [22:38:00] | SlicerDicer--: | hmm |
| [22:41:00] | safecracker: | monmotha did update run without error for you? |
| [22:41:00] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, what res are you outputting? |
| [22:43:00] | MonMotha: | safecracker: yup, but I'm on unstable |
| [22:44:00] | safecracker: | ya unstable works for me just not stable or testing |
| [22:44:00] | SlicerDicer--: | kormoc: umm 640xsomething I think |
| [22:44:00] | SlicerDicer--: | why? |
| [22:45:00] | kormoc: | some tv's have issues with higher reses, but that's obviosly not your issue :P |
| [22:45:00] | SlicerDicer--: | wat res? |
| [22:45:00] | SlicerDicer--: | I can run higher? |
| [22:45:00] | kormoc: | depends on your tv, but ya, quite a few support 800x600 and some even support 1024x768, they take it and scale it down, but it can sometimes look better. |
| [22:46:00] | SlicerDicer--: | 650x480 |
| [22:46:00] | SlicerDicer--: | hmm |
| [22:46:00] | MonMotha: | about the highest res I've gotten to display acceptably on a normal 4:3, standard def TV over composite video was 720x480 (which overscans horizontally quite a bit to look almost 4:3) |
| [22:46:00] | SlicerDicer--: | how do I find out of my tv can do it? |
| [22:46:00] | kormoc: | try it and see? |
| [22:46:00] | MonMotha: | but I have a crappy TV :) |
| [22:46:00] | SlicerDicer--: | kormoc: where do I find the settings for that? |
| [22:46:00] | kormoc: | MonMotha, I've used 1024x768 on a old sony fine for awhile. maybe I was just lucky :P |
| [22:47:00] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, in your xorg settings for the tv out? |
| [22:47:00] | SlicerDicer--: | I got a brand new samsung it should handle it |
| [22:47:00] | safecracker: | "should" being the operativwe word |
| [22:47:00] | MonMotha: | kormoc: sony makes decent TVs. RCA makes carp ;) |
| [22:47:00] | MonMotha: | or crap, depending on where you are |
| [22:47:00] | mchou: | My sony sux :) |
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| [22:48:00] | Chutt: | if you use svideo, you should be displaying at 640x480, or 720x480. |
| [22:48:00] | kormoc: | mchou, yeah, but you paid extra for that feature :P |
| [22:48:00] | MonMotha: | my friend gets 800x600 to look VERY nice on his WEGA, and can drive it with 1024x768 if his TV encoder supports it |
| [22:48:00] | Chutt: | and are in ntsc land, of course. |
| [22:48:00] | Chutt: | no sense in drawing things at a higher resolution and then just have your video card have to downscale it |
| [22:48:00] | MonMotha: | now, the DLP I drive at 1280x720 @ 60Hz (using an ATSC 720p mode). Looks VERY nice when you turn off the underscan feature of the TV that crushes it |
| [22:48:00] | SlicerDicer--: | http://rafb.net/paste/results/324I6e44.html kormoc thats how I have it setup |
| [22:49:00] | SlicerDicer--: | I am tv-out by my nvidia card right now cause I cant figure out how to do the one on my pvr |
| [22:49:00] | SlicerDicer--: | haha |
| [22:49:00] | MonMotha: | well, I also drive my DLP using a DVI cable |
| [22:50:00] | MonMotha: | so no TV encoding/decoding going on |
| [22:50:00] | SlicerDicer--: | kormoc: how do I need to change it to up the res? |
| [22:51:00] | MonMotha: | ModeLine "ATSC-720–60p" 74.25 1280 1320 1376 1648 720 722 728 750 <--- great way to drive your TV if it can do it |
| [22:51:00] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, you can just make a second xorg device as the tv out and then use modelines and normal monitor/screen stuff |
| [22:51:00] | Chutt: | monmotha, you do know that that's tv specific, right? |
| [22:51:00] | SlicerDicer--: | kormoc: did you see the paste that I did? |
| [22:51:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [22:52:00] | SlicerDicer--: | so how do I do the modelines? |
| [22:52:00] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, http://kormoc.com/xorg.conf |
| [22:52:00] | mchou: | Wow: What the Supreme Court said today: "(we) leave further consideration of the Sony (Betamax) rule for a day when that may be required." |
| [22:52:00] | Tommck: | SlicerDicer-- pray that someone else has the same TV and has done the work for you... that's the best way :) |
| [22:52:00] | SlicerDicer--: | hi mchou |
| [22:52:00] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, you can see how I set up mine. |
| [22:52:00] | SlicerDicer--: | Tommck: LOL |
| [22:52:00] | mchou: | hi SlicerDicer-- |
| [22:53:00] | SlicerDicer--: | I will figure it out if I attack it with a stick~ |
| [22:53:00] | mchou: | the flickering may be normal :) |
| [22:53:00] | kormoc: | good thing nvidia cards arn't made from slugs :P |
| [22:53:00] | Tommck: | SlicerDicer-- I'd google search for xorg.conf and your TV's model number |
| [22:53:00] | jonk: | pardon the interruption, what reasons might a backend not be able to connet to a database running on the same system. (1) mysql is running (2) sql user mythtv exists and has the password set, and (3) has the appropriate privileges |
| [22:53:00] | jonk: | i can connect using mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [22:53:00] | mchou: | svideo out has never been decent quality on vid card anyways :) |
| [22:53:00] | SlicerDicer-: | damn thats driving me nuts |
| [22:54:00] | kormoc: | jonk, can you connect via the ip or via the nostname? |
| [22:54:00] | SlicerDicer-: | flicker hehe |
| [22:54:00] | jonk: | byt mythbackend "Unable to connect to database!" "No error type from QsqlError? Strange..." |
| [22:54:00] | jonk: | yes |
| [22:54:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc, I will be back in a min then you can explain |
| [22:54:00] | jonk: | either way |
| [22:54:00] | kormoc: | jonk, in myth? |
| [22:54:00] | jonk: | no |
| [22:54:00] | jonk: | from mysql |
| [22:54:00] | ** kormoc nods at SlicerDicer- ** | |
| [22:54:00] | jonk: | that's the problem |
| [22:54:00] | cyberknet: | jonk: perhaps skip networking is in the mysql.conf? |
| [22:54:00] | kormoc: | jonk, have you tried both ways in myth? |
| [22:54:00] | jonk: | nope |
| [22:54:00] | MonMotha: | SlicerDicer-: no, that's just the steering wheel in your pants |
| [22:54:00] | jonk: | using 4.1 which no longer has skip-networking |
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| [22:55:00] | jonk: | uses a bind 127.0.0.1 line |
| [22:55:00] | jonk: | which I"ve commented out |
| [22:55:00] | cyberknet: | jonk: that's tricky. |
| [22:55:00] | MonMotha: | make sure your mythtv user has an old style password if you're using 4.1 |
| [22:55:00] | MonMotha: | unless you're damn sure you've got mythtv compiled against the new stuff (which I don't even know if that is supported) |
| [22:55:00] | mchou: | "old style" passwd??? |
| [22:56:00] | kormoc: | jonk, sometimes mysql only allows unix sockets (hostname only, localhose) and will refuse ip's, (127.0.0.1) hecne why you'd need to try both ways in myth's mysql.txt file. |
| [22:56:00] | jonk: | maybe he meant "old skool" |
| [22:56:00] | mchou: | what's that? |
| [22:56:00] | MonMotha: | mysql 4.1 has a new password hashign scheme that's incompatible with old clients |
| [22:56:00] | jonk: | it's worked just fine in the past |
| [22:56:00] | MonMotha: | that could easily cause mythtv (or phpmyadmin) to break but the command line mysql client (which will be updated and compiled against the new libs) to work |
| [22:56:00] | jonk: | before the friday night, drunken kernel panic incident |
| [22:56:00] | jonk: | from which I just started over |
| [22:57:00] | cyberknet: | drunk and kernel panic is never a good combination. |
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| [22:58:00] | Tommck: | oh... I thought his kernel was drunk |
| [22:58:00] | Tommck: | was wondering how you compile a "drunken kernel" :) |
| [22:58:00] | monsoon (~joshua@ip68-228-56-67.tc.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [22:58:00] | monsoon: | yo |
| [22:58:00] | Esotericisms: | anyone know if winmyth is working yet with mythtv 0.18.1? |
| [22:58:00] | Esotericisms: | tomimo, you get drunk and then compile your kernel :) |
| [22:59:00] | Tommck: | oy |
| [22:59:00] | mchou: | Tommck: you bring in Jackie Chan to "fix" it. |
| [22:59:00] | jonk: | maybe i should just avoid drunken root privileges? |
| [22:59:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [22:59:00] | jonk: | I do get "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" |
| [22:59:00] | jonk: | in mythbackend output |
| [22:59:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:00:00] | Tommck: | mchou – nice :) |
| [23:00:00] | mchou: | why didnt you say that earlier. |
| [23:00:00] | Tommck: | jonk – maybe have a breathalizer wired into "su" ? |
| [23:00:00] | kormoc: | jonk, sounds like you need to reinstall qt with mysql support. |
| [23:00:00] | jonk: | just noticed |
| [23:00:00] | MonMotha: | ah, yeah, that's the other possibility |
| [23:00:00] | MonMotha: | I believe debian's qt doesn't ship with mysql support (it's a separate package) |
| [23:01:00] | Tommck: | kormoc – yeah... I've had that error before :) |
| [23:01:00] | jonk: | going to a meeting be back shourtly |
| [23:04:00] | monsoon: | OK folks, sorry to pester you with this again, but my dilemma has increased since yesterday a new pc has entered the equation: I need to choose one machine to give to parents who will run xp on it, and the other I will use as (hopefully) a powerful mythtv box for all of my media including all of my music playing... |
| [23:04:00] | monsoon: | pc 1. is a p4 2.4ghz gigabyte GA-8IHXP (Rev 2.1), 512 rdram. pc 2. is a p4 1.6ghz on a gateway motherboard, with 1ghz sdram |
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| [23:05:00] | Tommck: | monsoon – you doing HDTV? |
| [23:05:00] | monsoon: | Tommck, no none |
| [23:05:00] | monsoon: | and I have a pvr-150 |
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| [23:06:00] | monsoon: | btw |
| [23:06:00] | safecracker: | is the 1gb ram 1 stick or 2? |
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| [23:06:00] | Tommck: | monsoon – I think either one would work then |
| [23:07:00] | monsoon: | safecracker, 3 actually |
| [23:07:00] | safecracker: | give the 1st system as much ram as u can and take it |
| [23:07:00] | monsoon: | Tommck, Im almost sure either will work but thats what makes it a tough decision |
| [23:07:00] | Tommck: | safecracker – why does it need so much RAM? |
| [23:08:00] | monsoon: | safecracker, thats the problem with the first system, its rdram, I wont be able to afford upgrading it anymore |
| [23:08:00] | safecracker: | depends on what hes gonna do with it |
| [23:08:00] | safecracker: | ah shit didnt notice |
| [23:08:00] | monsoon: | lots of music playing, and some tv watching no real archiving |
| [23:08:00] | Tommck: | safecracker – he said it'd be a MythTV box |
| [23:08:00] | safecracker: | i ment what within mythtv see my box is a myth box but i do other crap on it too |
| [23:09:00] | Tommck: | safecracker – ahh.. mine are dedicated.. |
| [23:09:00] | Tommck: | and hard workers too |
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| [23:09:00] | monsoon: | i might do other things on mine occasionally, but not much since I have a great laptop (i think) |
| [23:10:00] | safecracker: | are you going to use transcoding function? |
| [23:10:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc, you still here? |
| [23:10:00] | kormoc: | hihi |
| [23:10:00] | monsoon: | safecracker, probably not much |
| [23:10:00] | monsoon: | if at all |
| [23:10:00] | Tommck: | one can never have too much hardware |
| [23:10:00] | safecracker: | then either systen |
| [23:10:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc, how do I find out what to setup the xorg.conf with for my tv? |
| [23:10:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [23:10:00] | Tommck: | safecracker – good question |
| [23:10:00] | monsoon: | hehe damn either system is what makes the decision tough :) |
| [23:11:00] | ** Tommck doesn't transcode at all ** | |
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| [23:11:00] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, well, you should read the nvidia readme about tvout and stuff |
| [23:11:00] | ** Tommck thinks monsoon should keep both systems and tell his parents to buy their own! ** | |
| [23:11:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc, I would really like to use my pvr for output but I cant figure it out |
| [23:11:00] | monsoon: | hehe noway they deserve much more... which kind of answers my dilemma I guess :) |
| [23:11:00] | monsoon: | give em the better one |
| [23:12:00] | safecracker: | tommac im actually working for a company making an all in 1 media appliance so nothings exactly didicated but then again 1 gig gam and 3.2ghz processor dont need dedicated, still working on the custom set-top |
| [23:12:00] | Tommck: | monsoon – blasphemer |
| [23:12:00] | Tommck: | safecracker – that's the spec of my HD front-end |
| [23:12:00] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, have you read some howtos on it? |
| [23:12:00] | safecracker: | nice |
| [23:12:00] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, I beleive mythtv.org in the doc's have a little blurb bout it |
| [23:12:00] | monsoon: | now i have a spare 1ghz duron system with nothing to do all on its own |
| [23:12:00] | monsoon: | poor thing |
| [23:13:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc, I read the mythtv gentoo blurb on it |
| [23:13:00] | kormoc: | and? |
| [23:13:00] | Tommck: | back-end/front-end is a P4 2.5 w/ 512 (non-HD) |
| [23:13:00] | Tommck: | 2.4 |
| [23:13:00] | Tommck: | monsoon – that's a good backend/frontend too |
| [23:13:00] | monsoon: | Tommck, really? how does that work? |
| [23:14:00] | safecracker: | i never liked duron they always gave me issues |
| [23:14:00] | Tommck: | kormoc – and he decided to ask you for help instead of tinkering :) |
| [23:14:00] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [23:14:00] | monsoon: | yah i dont like duron too much either |
| [23:14:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc, well thats where I dont know what to do about my resolution |
| [23:14:00] | Tommck: | ahh.. safecracker – I've never messed with the durons... but I assumed that's fast enough to be a MythTV box. |
| [23:15:00] | safecracker: | their fast enough i just always had issues with stability when using em |
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| [23:15:00] | Tommck: | I, unfortunately, stopped messing around with AMD processors for a while. They always seem to take so much tinkering to get everything to work (like 15 driver downloads just to make everything work on a motherboard — nVidia chipsets) |
| [23:15:00] | monsoon: | Tommck, you mean using two machines, one as a frontend and one as a backend? |
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| [23:15:00] | mchou: | heh, true enough. |
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| [23:16:00] | Tommck: | monsoon – do you have 2 TVs? |
| [23:16:00] | monsoon: | no sir |
| [23:16:00] | safecracker: | im working on getting a AMD 64bit working for a myth/voip/internet/list goes on box but as u siad driver issues |
| [23:16:00] | Tommck: | ahh.. cuz one could be both...and the other could be a frontend/something else |
| [23:16:00] | Tommck: | that's the way I have it... one backend/frontend ... one front end |
| [23:17:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc, I only had one mode lol |
| [23:17:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I fixed that though |
| [23:17:00] | Tommck: | safecracker – yeah... I haven't bothered with 64 bits either yet.. |
| [23:17:00] | Tommck: | seems like more headache :) |
| [23:17:00] | safecracker: | they just gimme the hardware and tell me to make it work lol |
| [23:18:00] | monsoon: | imrunning debian-amd64 on this machine |
| [23:18:00] | Tommck: | safecracker - :) |
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| [23:18:00] | safecracker: | they gave me a pvr500mce and told me to make it work.....im still pissed |
| [23:18:00] | Tommck: | safecracker – mine works :) |
| [23:18:00] | Tommck: | old ivtv (0.3.2z) |
| [23:18:00] | safecracker: | MCE? |
| [23:18:00] | Tommck: | well, yeah... |
| [23:18:00] | slide: | I have alsa and im trying to setup myth to use it |
| [23:18:00] | Tommck: | AFAIK, there is only MCE for 500s |
| [23:18:00] | slide: | Ive set, ALSA:default as my audio output device: |
| [23:18:00] | slide: | what do I put as the Mixer device? |
| [23:19:00] | safecracker: | im gonna roll the ivtv back then |
| [23:19:00] | brejc8: | slide: default |
| [23:19:00] | slide: | brejc8, hrm that didnt work when i tryed it |
| [23:19:00] | slide: | lemy try again |
| [23:19:00] | Tommck: | safecracker – I'm on kernel 2.6.5 too... |
| [23:19:00] | brejc8: | slide: ALSA:default also works |
| [23:19:00] | slide: | ok lemmy try that |
| [23:20:00] | monsoon: | gah another good thing about the 1.6 machine is that it all fits and is in a smaller and very quite case, while the 2.4 is load and large (mb is huge) |
| [23:20:00] | slide: | with just default i get "mixer set channel 1 err -22: Invalid argument" |
| [23:21:00] | slide: | now im getting "MIxer attach error -2: No such file or directory" and then "Check Mixer Name in Setup: ALSA:default" |
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| [23:27:00] | cyberknet: | *shudder* |
| [23:27:00] | cyberknet: | http://neistat.com/pages/video_holding/goldfish_holding.htm |
| [23:27:00] | cyberknet: | that seems unnatural |
| [23:28:00] | jonk: | ok... |
| [23:28:00] | jonk: | so libqt3c102-mt-sql is not installed... |
| [23:29:00] | jonk: | it is now |
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| [23:32:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc, ok question for ya |
| [23:33:00] | kormoc: | shoot |
| [23:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I got it to do 800x600 |
| [23:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | but when I restart X it does a virtual screen size |
| [23:33:00] | SlicerDicer-: | so I can mouse and move the edges |
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| [23:46:00] | jonk: | that was it ... did not have the qt-mysql driver |
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| [23:46:00] | jonk: | sweet, now time to get the rest of it working again |
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