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Sunday, June 26th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] mchou: probably need the mt version.
[00:01:00] blues2: someone else using a pvr250, what version of ivtv are you running?
[00:01:00] stang: thanks mchou
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[00:06:00] JohnnyQuest: im having some video output problems, when i go to watch livetv in mythtv it causes my monitor to make a sound like its changing resolutions and then the screen becomes black
[00:06:00] JohnnyQuest: this started happnening when i changed to a new graphics card
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[00:11:00] blues2: whimpers... help anyone?
[00:15:00] mchou: blues2: http://www.ivtv.tv
[00:17:00] blues2: i'm running the latest stable version
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[00:36:00] blues2: i upgraded from stable to the 0.3 ivtv driver, same issue as before
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[00:54:00] JohnnyQuest: how is your firmware blues2?
[01:09:00] slide: hrm, im running mythfilldatabase but it seems that it just downloads part of the listings and then stops and waits a few secs and then trys again
[01:09:00] slide: Is that normal or is something messed up heh
[01:10:00] JohnnyQuest: normal
[01:10:00] JohnnyQuest: at least, thats how mine did it..
[01:10:00] JohnnyQuest: and mine worked
[01:10:00] slide: ok
[01:10:00] slide: will this take a while?
[01:10:00] JohnnyQuest: ya..
[01:10:00] JohnnyQuest: hour or so for me..
[01:10:00] slide: wow
[01:10:00] slide: i guess its getting a little at a time
[01:10:00] slide: weird
[01:11:00] JohnnyQuest: i dunno how it did it, all i know is it was slow
[01:11:00] slide: heh
[01:11:00] slide: k thanks :)
[01:19:00] slide: in the mythtv-setup->generl settings, What does the server refer to in "Port the server runs on"?
[01:19:00] slide: the mysql server?
[01:20:00] slide: hrm nm
[01:20:00] slide: mythbackend i suppose
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[01:21:00] JohnnyQuest: dont change those ports
[01:21:00] JohnnyQuest: or the ips, unles you have multiple frontends
[01:21:00] slide: so thats not for the mysql server?
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[01:22:00] slide: im getting an error when i try to mythfilldatabase
[01:22:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont know what it is for honestly, but if you are using one computer as a frontend and backend in one, leave the ip 127.1.1.0 or whatever it is..
[01:22:00] slide: "Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)" connection timed out
[01:22:00] JohnnyQuest: oo
[01:22:00] JohnnyQuest: start the backend
[01:22:00] slide: i did
[01:22:00] JohnnyQuest: and you havnt changed those ips?
[01:22:00] JohnnyQuest: or ports/
[01:22:00] slide: nope
[01:23:00] JohnnyQuest: i had that problem..
[01:23:00] JohnnyQuest: but, i had changed the ips..
[01:23:00] JohnnyQuest: umm
[01:23:00] JohnnyQuest: and then i also hadnt started the backend..
[01:23:00] JohnnyQuest: is the backend stil running?
[01:23:00] JohnnyQuest: or did it shutdown?
[01:23:00] slide: hrm i dont see it running
[01:23:00] slide: lemmy check logs
[01:25:00] slide: ok i got it
[01:25:00] slide: :)
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[01:35:00] slide: hrm wtf
[01:35:00] slide: Ok, so i ran mythfrontend and hit watch tv and now my monitor wont display anything
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[01:42:00] JonK: hadees you around?
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[01:47:00] nybble: hi all
[01:48:00] nybble: why hello ChanServ, how is the servering going ?
[01:48:00] nybble: tra la la la la
[01:48:00] nybble: what a nice little process
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[02:02:00] hadees: JonK, yeah
[02:02:00] JonK: I need to build an initrd file using mkinitrd
[02:03:00] JonK: to avoid the kernel panic
[02:03:00] JonK: any thoughts
[02:03:00] hadees: what kernel panic
[02:03:00] hadees: and what distro
[02:03:00] JonK: ubuntu
[02:03:00] JonK: cant boot a shiny new 2.6.12 kernel
[02:03:00] hadees: hehe i got no clue for ubuntu
[02:04:00] JonK: it can't be that differnt from others though
[02:08:00] JonK: im also building a kernel package, but if i can figure out the mkinitrd parameters, i wont need t wait
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[02:11:00] joev: rtsai
[02:11:00] JonK: hi
[02:11:00] joev: how's your kernel?
[02:11:00] JonK: started over,
[02:11:00] JonK: recompiled it
[02:11:00] joev: has rtsai or mchou been on lately?
[02:12:00] JonK: now trying to get it to load
[02:12:00] JonK: not that' iv'e seen
[02:12:00] JonK: trying to get the right options for mkinitrd
[02:12:00] joev: arrrrrrrg
[02:12:00] joev: one thing about SuSE,
[02:12:00] JonK: but have make-kpkg running at the same time
[02:12:00] JonK: so im essentially recompiling the kernel into a package
[02:13:00] joev: INSTALL_PATH=/boot make install takes care of all that
[02:13:00] slide: Ok, i have a "Hauppauge WinTV-Go TV Tuner Card 44801" capture card, can anyone help me get it setup to capture video?
[02:13:00] Chutt: make-kpkg --initrd
[02:14:00] JonK: i don't recall having to do all this with 2.4 kernels
[02:14:00] joev: here's a good howto
[02:14:00] joev: it covers making initrd
[02:14:00] Chutt: if you're using make-kpkg, all you need is make-kpkg --initrd
[02:14:00] Chutt: you don't have to do anything else.
[02:14:00] JonK: ok
[02:14:00] Chutt: well, aside from any other args to make-kpkg
[02:15:00] joev: http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html
[02:15:00] JonK: running make-kpkg right now
[02:15:00] JonK: but not with the --initrd flag
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[02:19:00] JonK: woot
[02:20:00] JonK: think i have it
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[02:22:00] JonK: using just mkinitrd
[02:23:00] JonK: the 2.6.10 kernel only had one module in the /lib/modules/boot direcitroy, copied this module to boot in the /lib/modules 2.6.12 tree and ran mkinitrd
[02:23:00] JonK: well see if it boots
[02:24:00] JonK: the 2.6.10 and 2.6.12 files about the same size
[02:30:00] mchou: joev: what's up?
[02:30:00] joev: nothing
[02:30:00] mchou: joev: [17:11:59] <joev> has rtsai or mchou been on lately?
[02:30:00] joev: i need help my channels
[02:31:00] mchou: lol
[02:31:00] joev: when I tried to rescan my channels
[02:31:00] joev: I selected the option to clear all channel data
[02:31:00] mchou: joev: did azap work for ya?
[02:31:00] joev: now the scan returns nothing
[02:32:00] joev: and mythfilldatabase says everuthing is up to date
[02:32:00] joev: and the channel table is empty
[02:32:00] mchou: joev: sigh.....
[02:32:00] joev: haven't had a chance to find out what's up with the perl script for azap
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[02:33:00] mchou: you need to run setup again and associate card to datadirect source
[02:33:00] joev: plus the IT guys hosed my network connection at work sooooo
[02:33:00] mchou: joev: sounds like you're beyond help right now.
[02:33:00] joev: all the work I wanted to do is not gonna happen
[02:33:00] joev: i should just go play in traffic on my fixie
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[02:33:00] mchou: joev: that's what happens when you try to work saturdays.
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[02:34:00] joev: problem is people here are just to darn nice
[02:34:00] mchou: joev: check out the kryptonite video link I sent you earlier?
[02:34:00] joev: not yet
[02:34:00] joev: I really wanna get my box worling
[02:34:00] mchou: do that b4 taking the bike out :)
[02:35:00] joev: will do
[02:35:00] mchou: the video is short, <30 sec, I think.
[02:35:00] joev: lately I just bring it every where
[02:35:00] joev: back to my problem
[02:35:00] joev: I've rerun setup a few times with the fore mentioned results
[02:36:00] joev: were you saying to hose the card setup too when I re run it?
[02:36:00] mchou: no, I never said anything of the sort.
[02:36:00] mchou: follow directions in the script man.
[02:37:00] joev: The script will work eventhough I have nothing in the channel table?
[02:37:00] mchou: the directions did not say: go hose your channels :)
[02:37:00] joev: that was from this morning
[02:38:00] joev: rtsai said to star a fresh
[02:38:00] mchou: joev: do it again until you have channels in the channel tbl.
[02:38:00] mchou: he did, did he? :)
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[02:38:00] joev: that's the problem
[02:38:00] joev: I've run the full scan three times
[02:38:00] joev: nothing
[02:39:00] mchou: dude, get azap working first, then come back here.
[02:39:00] joev: mythfilldatabase says I've got all listings through 7 July
[02:39:00] joev: how will that solve my current problem?
[02:39:00] mchou: I dont know what you mean by "full scan"
[02:39:00] mchou: like mythfilldb
[02:40:00] joev: from the mythtv-setup>channel configurator
[02:40:00] mchou: or automatic scanning for all channels?
[02:40:00] joev: automatic scanning for channels
[02:40:00] mchou: azap will at least tell you if you've got a working driver baseline.
[02:41:00] joev: I have the channel.conf info that rtsai was sooooo kind to send me
[02:41:00] mchou: right now yopu arent giving me much to go on except to say "it doesnt work"
[02:41:00] mchou: you*
[02:41:00] joev: sorry that's all I got
[02:41:00] joev: I am confident the driver is fine
[02:41:00] mchou: then I wont be able to help ya :)
[02:42:00] mchou: joev: I have no such confidence :)
[02:43:00] joev: why do you say that
[02:43:00] mchou: like what's so difficult about making sure azap works??
[02:43:00] mchou: cause I've never had the myth scan fail.
[02:43:00] joev: I have no idea why I get an error from the perl script at line 86
[02:44:00] joev: I have installed the XMLPath and XMLParser modules
[02:44:00] mchou: screw that for now. you have the channels.conf file.
[02:44:00] joev: yes
[02:44:00] mchou: read the dvb docs.
[02:44:00] joev: will do now
[02:45:00] mchou: you dont need xml* once you have the channels.conf file.
[02:49:00] joev: the howto I am following says to run ./azap from /dvb-apps/util/szap
[02:49:00] joev: I get a no such file or command error
[02:49:00] mchou: sigh....
[02:50:00] joev: where might this ./azap be?
[02:50:00] mchou: man find.
[02:50:00] honey: dvb? tzap
[02:50:00] mchou: no, azap for atsc.
[02:51:00] honey: hmm ok. sorry i obviously don't know the difference. i use dvb and tzap
[02:51:00] mchou: tzap for the rest of the civilized world.
[02:51:00] joev: locate shows .azap directory and a azap.c file
[02:51:00] ** honey is civilized! **
[02:51:00] joev: you calling me uncivilized?
[02:51:00] mchou: honey: I was referring to US not being civil :)
[02:51:00] honey: oh and there is a #dvb too if it's of use
[02:51:00] honey: mchou, oh well ok i'll let that pass :)
[02:52:00] honey: so azap's for the colonials? didn't know that
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[02:52:00] mchou: joev: no take a swag what needs to be done.
[02:53:00] mchou: .au is colonial too, they dont use azap :)
[02:53:00] honey: the ones who paddled west then
[02:53:00] mchou: yup.
[02:53:00] mchou: not so far west to end up back east :)
[02:53:00] joev: i tried running the ./azap.c got permission denied as regular user and root
[02:53:00] mchou: lol
[02:54:00] mchou: joev: read the dvb docs man.
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[02:54:00] joev: where are they, how do I get them
[02:54:00] mchou: joev: you're really starting to abuse my good will.
[02:55:00] joev: man, I really at a loss here.
[02:55:00] joev: there are no docs in my dvb-app dir
[02:55:00] joev: just a README and INSTALL
[02:55:00] joev: man dvb has nothing
[02:55:00] mchou: well, that's what I was referring to.
[02:55:00] mchou: README and INSTALL
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[02:56:00] mchou: google helps too, btw.
[02:57:00] mchou: look what I found on google: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-530806.html
[02:58:00] joev: how do you think I got this far
[02:58:00] joev: sorry, I thought I already did the build on this
[02:58:00] mchou: joev: beats me :)
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[03:00:00] joev: K, azap works
[03:00:00] JonK: well that worked, but I have a huge pile of modules i'll never need hard wired into the that kernel...
[03:01:00] JonK: redoing, using make oldconfig
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[03:16:00] quink: any of you running gentoo?
[03:18:00] ** sloPP is **
[03:20:00] quink: using a hauppauge tuner?
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[03:21:00] sloPP: three of them, yeh
[03:21:00] sloPP: pvr-350 & 2 150's
[03:22:00] quink: i'm having trouble. just updated my kernel for the first time in a long time and i can't make lirc work anymore
[03:22:00] ** sloPP hasn't had any problems with it **
[03:22:00] quink: i re-emerged lirc with LIRC_OPTS="--with-driver=hauppauge"
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[03:22:00] quink: and left my config filees the smae but now it won't work
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[03:23:00] slePP: dunno
[03:23:00] quink: the file /dev/lirc0 went away and i just have /dev/lirc
[03:24:00] slePP: is lircd running?
[03:24:00] quink: yep
[03:24:00] slePP: yeh, dunno :P
[03:24:00] ** slePP had no troubles with any of it.. **
[03:24:00] quink: well how did you set it up?
[03:24:00] slePP: half from source, half from emerge
[03:24:00] slePP: lirc i did by hand
[03:25:00] slePP: since i needed one for serial out and one for haupauge in
[03:25:00] quink: oh.
[03:25:00] quink: well time to try some kernel changes
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[03:26:00] joev: OK mchou, I am watching my first recorded stream
[03:26:00] joev: so my driver works
[03:27:00] joev: no sound
[03:27:00] joev: but that's for another day
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: joev, what card are you using?
[03:32:00] joev: hd3000
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: i had that problem, but it was with a pvr-150 and it was firmware
[03:32:00] joev: recording only through azap right now
[03:33:00] joev: I just wanna get myth working
[03:33:00] joev: I'll deal with the sound later
[03:34:00] JohnnyQuest: lol
[03:34:00] JohnnyQuest: it doesnt do you much good without sound...
[03:35:00] joev: Yeah I know, but one thing at a time
[03:35:00] joev: this was a huge victory for me
[03:35:00] JohnnyQuest: yea, mythtv is a one thing at a time and then a lot of voodoo
[03:39:00] joev: anyone know what 151 and 154 would be in decimal?
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[03:44:00] JohnnyQuest: joev, angles?
[03:44:00] joev: no pids
[03:44:00] joev: they are returned in hex but need to convert to decimal
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[03:45:00] JohnnyQuest: http://www.eclectic-web.co.uk/index.php?jump= . . . /hex2dec.php
[03:46:00] Randall64: (again) who's using debian-amd64?
[03:46:00] JohnnyQuest: there you go jeov
[03:46:00] joev: Excellent
[03:46:00] joev: thanks
[03:46:00] joev: the chart I found didn't go that high
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[03:48:00] JohnnyQuest: o ok
[03:48:00] k-man: how can i plug 5.1 audio from a soundcard into an amp that supports dolby pro-logic?
[03:48:00] k-man: any ideas?
[03:48:00] JohnnyQuest: what are the input on the amp?
[03:48:00] JohnnyQuest: inputs*
[03:49:00] JonK: does the soundcard support 5.1?
[03:49:00] JonK: and have a 5.1out
[03:49:00] k-man: JohnnyQuest, it only has L/R audio inputs
[03:50:00] JohnnyQuest: then, you just output 2 channels..
[03:50:00] k-man: JonK, its an onboard soundcard, and it seems to output the audio in different channels
[03:50:00] JohnnyQuest: the green output..
[03:50:00] JohnnyQuest: and you use a miniplut to rca to put it into the amp
[03:50:00] JohnnyQuest: miniplug*
[03:51:00] JohnnyQuest: and set the audio on your computer to 2 speakers
[03:51:00] k-man: JohnnyQuest, oh, i see
[03:51:00] k-man: and if the audio stream happens to be dolby surround, that just gets passed through the 2 channels and decoded in the amp
[03:51:00] Ray__: I just compiled the latest IVTV drivers and placed them in /lib/modules/2.6.9.11-chw-2/kernel/drivers/media/video/ via the instructions at http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=CompileIvtv and when I dmesg It still reports that the current version is 0.2.0
[03:52:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[03:52:00] JohnnyQuest: you have to unload the old ones, or uninstall them..
[03:52:00] Ray__: oh... How do I do that exactly?
[03:53:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont know.,.
[03:53:00] Ray__: Just place them in another folder?
[03:53:00] JohnnyQuest: but i know you have to do that
[03:53:00] k-man: thanks JohnnyQuest
[03:53:00] JohnnyQuest: sorry...
[03:53:00] JohnnyQuest: i read that somehwere..
[03:53:00] JohnnyQuest: but i just reformated instead of doing reinstalling them..
[04:01:00] joev: JonK, how's that kernel?
[04:05:00] Ray__: COuld someone please tell me where the msp3400 file is supposed to be located in Knoppmyth?
[04:07:00] Ashlar: anyone mess with mythstream?
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[04:16:00] blues2: ok, so how do i check my ivtv firmware?
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[04:18:00] DigitalGecko: can anyone point me in the right direction for setting up transcoding. Ive been trying for a couple days but cant find anything anywhere
[04:19:00] DigitalGecko: also has anyone here used mythtv with xbmc
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[04:29:00] Ray__: Welll I just effed up Knoppmyth... tried installing the latest drivers... after restart when going to "WatchTV" the screen goes blank and the system locks up...
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[04:32:00] stf1: I have some problem to convert nuv file...some one can help me?
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[04:34:00] stf1: as example, when i type nuvexport, i got this 6. Export to Divx (disabled)
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[04:37:00] stf1: hello is there any body alive !?!
[04:40:00] stf1: hello...
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[04:42:00] Cardoe: we don't use mysql.txt anymore at all right?
[04:43:00] JonK: my god there's all kinds of crap in the default kernel i dont need, iomega zip drives? token ring support?
[04:43:00] JonK: holy moly
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[04:45:00] stf1: hello!!!
[04:45:00] JonK: Hippi driver support?!?
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[04:46:00] stf1: i got problem with nuvexport... all the the codec are marked as disable
[04:50:00] Christopher: Hi everybody
[04:52:00] DigitalGecko: can anyone point me in the right direction to a good guide on setting up the xbmc scripts to work with myth
[04:53:00] JonK: modules for sony vaio laptops?
[04:53:00] DigitalGecko: i have everything working except live tv and playing recorded stuff
[04:55:00] stf1: Christopher: did you receive any anwser ?
[04:56:00] mchou: JonK: how long does it take you to compile a working kernel? You been at it for at least 2 days.
[04:57:00] Ray__: Jon: Could you please help me installing the IVTV drivers? I have installed them, but them are not working corrrectly... and it keeps on coming up with 0.2.0
[04:58:00] Christopher: Ray__: use these ivtv drivers. http://www.ivtv.tv/ Download version .3.6r
[04:58:00] mchou: Christopher: that's not Ray's problem :)
[04:59:00] mchou: Ray has a namespace conflict
[04:59:00] stf1: i have problem with the nuvexport all codec are disabled
[04:59:00] Ray__: I already download... compiled... but the problem lies with installing them properly
[04:59:00] JonK: hercules mono graphics card?
[05:00:00] mchou: JonK: haha!
[05:00:00] JonK: just going through what modules are being compiled
[05:00:00] mchou: for those console terminals :)
[05:00:00] JonK: it's a hoot
[05:00:00] mchou: JonK: you'd be much better off removing all that junk.....
[05:00:00] stf1: how can i convert nuv file to divx file
[05:01:00] JonK: building a new kernel right now
[05:01:00] mchou: crap you dont need.
[05:01:00] JonK: just going through all the module choices right now
[05:01:00] briand: JonK: keep on digging... you'll find TTY support for the Radio Shack Model 100 "laptop" – "vt-m100" 8x32 screen. heheh
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[05:02:00] mchou: hey dont laugh. those come in mighty handy.
[05:02:00] stf1: any body can help me with my nuvexport problem
[05:02:00] briand: mchou: I know. ...how do you think I know about the TTY driver?
[05:02:00] mchou: briand: openwrt? :)
[05:02:00] briand: i used to do development on a SCO Sys V R3 box... definitely needed the TTY logged in as root a few times.
[05:03:00] briand: i think the only thing I ever entered in that terminal was "shutdown -g0 -y"
[05:04:00] mchou: briand: http://www.duff.dk/wrt54gs/pics/Complete_VGA_Setup.jpg
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[05:04:00] mchou: briand: from this page: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Customizing
[05:04:00] stf1: problem with nuvexport
[05:04:00] mchou: briand: pretty cool :)
[05:05:00] stf1: hello... i need some attention !!!
[05:05:00] mchou: stf1: if now one answered, it cause we dont know and cant help ya.
[05:05:00] mchou: no*
[05:05:00] JonK: minix fs support?
[05:05:00] briand: mchou: dunno yet... still waiting for the browser window to open! there's a terminal window here that says "Completing update for mozilla-mail  – 596/1121" ..so it make take a min or two
[05:06:00] mchou: haha!!
[05:06:00] mchou: briand: you on dialup??
[05:06:00] briand: never know when you're gonna wanna attach your old minix filesystem and copy some files
[05:06:00] briand: no, the cpu is a bit busy, tho
[05:06:00] stf1: I'm the only want tha i want to convert nuv fiel to divx
[05:06:00] briand: this machine is only a 665MHz w/ 512MB
[05:07:00] mchou: briand: that's beefy :)
[05:07:00] briand: page just opened up. :)
[05:07:00] mchou: my Backend is a P2 450 :)
[05:07:00] mchou: w/1TB of storage :)
[05:07:00] briand: aw.. an olivetti.
[05:07:00] mobeus: can anyone here provide any help in getting the xbmc mythtv python scripts to talk to a mythtv backend?
[05:07:00] briand: the really amazing thing is that it still works!!
[05:08:00] mchou: stf1: all we do is watch and delete. dont grok the concept of transcoding......
[05:09:00] mchou: too much cpu cycles wasted for little return :)
[05:09:00] JonK: atari/commodore/and acorn partition support?
[05:09:00] JonK: and not even as modules for god's sake
[05:09:00] mchou: JonK: haha!
[05:09:00] stf1: mchou: what the help did you meen?
[05:10:00] mchou: stf1: huh???
[05:10:00] Ray__: mchou: What are you talking about namespace conflict?
[05:10:00] stf1: my english is not very well
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[05:11:00] mchou: Ray__: namespace in kernel module names.
[05:11:00] Ray__: mchou: And that means? :-P
[05:11:00] mchou: Ray__: you need to move or rename your "older" ivtv kernel modules.
[05:12:00] JonK: NSA SELinux in the kernel? it just never ends
[05:12:00] JonK: no wonder it took 1.4 hours to compile the first time
[05:12:00] stf1: 1 hr of video will expec how many gig
[05:12:00] mchou: JonK: you must have a fast machine :)
[05:12:00] JonK: stf1 depends on the sampling rate
[05:12:00] JonK: for higher quality,I'm using 2.2 gb per hour
[05:13:00] briand: stf1: hi-rez, about 2.2GB
[05:13:00] JonK: for mpg 2 from a hauppauge card
[05:13:00] mchou: what JonK said, minimum 2GB/hr.....
[05:13:00] JonK: okk... building a more realistic kernel
[05:13:00] Ray__: mchou: Could you please explain how to do that? I have moved the old driver files in /lib/modules....
[05:13:00] stf1: dam 30 minutes take ~12 gig at the default setting
[05:14:00] mchou: Ray__: sorry, no. it's in the ivtv docs.
[05:14:00] tmacdonald: Hey guys... I'm installing MythTV from source on FC4 and the compile immediately bails out with errors... anyone have any experience with this?
[05:14:00] briand: yes, when i encounter errors, I resolve them then it starts working
[05:15:00] mchou: briand: you used to work for SCO? :)
[05:15:00] mobeus: tmacdonald: my fix was to download the cvs version. it's a gcc 4 problem with the 18.1 source code
[05:15:00] briand: mchou: hell, no!
[05:15:00] mchou: briand: just checking :)
[05:16:00] briand: mchou: i used to work for Enable Software, Inc. we won the Desktop IV contract, and it had to run under SCO Sys V R3 on Unisys hardware.
[05:16:00] briand: tell me THAT wasn't a match made in hell.
[05:16:00] mchou: intel wanted me to work on Projeect Monterey. I asked: "what's the point?"
[05:16:00] tmacdonald: mobeus: thanks I'll try that
[05:16:00] mobeus: the docs show you how to download the cvs version. it compiles and runs fine here on fc4
[05:17:00] mchou: briand: a transitional OS to linux :)
[05:17:00] briand: we need transitional OSes?
[05:17:00] mchou: briand: nah, intel dont need no stinking OS :)
[05:17:00] briand: what's to transition? [Start|Shutdown] ... wait ... Insert FC3 disk, reboot.
[05:18:00] mchou: nah, sco->Monterey->linux.
[05:18:00] briand: oh.
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[05:18:00] briand: well, yeah, you need something to 'unlearn' all the bad habits picked up in sco
[05:19:00] quink: any of you running 2.6.11 kernel?
[05:19:00] mchou: quink: who isnt?
[05:19:00] briand: like, you no longer need to type 'fsck<Enter>' four or five times in rapid succession, every time you Ctrl-C out of a script that's writing to disk.
[05:19:00] mchou: haha!
[05:19:00] quink: mchou: me, sorta
[05:19:00] mchou: or sync 5x too :)
[05:19:00] briand: been there, done that. burned the t-shirt.
[05:20:00] mchou: 10x for good luck :)
[05:20:00] quink: lirc worked fine in 2.6.9 and now that i have upgraded to 2.6.11 and it doesn't work
[05:21:00] quink: the file /dev/lircd gets made but no /dev/lirc/0
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[05:25:00] stf1: where can i change de rate for decreace the space on the disk
[05:25:00] mchou: ok is $250 good for this combo? AMD Athlon? 64 3200+ 939 pin processor, Asus A8N-E Socket 939 motherboard , Microsoft® Windows® XP x64 Edition
[05:26:00] tmacdonald: sounds good to me mchou.... the processor alone costs $220 (US) retail
[05:26:00] mchou: plan on fleabay the windoze OS, of course.
[05:26:00] briand: yeah, that's great if you can get 'em to rebate you $199 for the XP Pro disks and they can keep 'em
[05:26:00] mchou: tmacdonald: that's on the "AMD Tech Tour"
[05:27:00] briand: ah.. i remember the halcyon days of building computers when nobody demanded you buy an operating system with your hardware
[05:27:00] mchou: I really want a mobo with firewire integrated though......
[05:27:00] mchou: briand: when was that? :)
[05:28:00] mchou: briand: there was always the M$ tax.
[05:28:00] briand: of course, I also remember installing TRS-DOS 3.1 on my first clone machine... only to discover when I went to boot it that RS didn't want their OS running on anything but Tandy computers.
[05:28:00] briand: mchou: nope. not when i built my first computer. a 4.77MHz IBM PC clone
[05:28:00] mchou: ahh, you mean pre-M$ days :)
[05:29:00] briand: well, back then, you could install MS-DOS or PC-DOS (the latter from IBM)
[05:29:00] mchou: briand: you paid M$ tax back then. you just didnt know it. M$ basic.
[05:29:00] briand: a few years later, you could install DR-DOS
[05:29:00] briand: or use 4-DOS
[05:29:00] briand: not me. I had IBM 'gwbasic'
[05:29:00] briand: :P~~
[05:30:00] quink: this is pissing meoff
[05:30:00] mchou: tmacdonald: are you serious?? a64 3200+ is $220 retail?
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[05:31:00] mchou: hmm, I might have to go pick up that combo if that's really the case :)
[05:32:00] tmacdonald: mchou: yup... just looked yesterday at microcenter
[05:32:00] mchou: tmacdonald: oh, amd throws in a free dinner too :)
[05:32:00] joev: mchou can't watch the lock video
[05:32:00] briand: mchou: this for a Myth box?
[05:32:00] joev: windows file
[05:32:00] joev: will have to wait until work
[05:33:00] mchou: joev: huh?? pls. dont be daft :)
[05:33:00] mchou: wmv files work just fine on linux :)
[05:33:00] joev: running on my mac laptop now
[05:33:00] mchou: ahh, ok.
[05:33:00] joev: guess I could try it on the htpc
[05:34:00] joev: it is the same lock I have :((
[05:34:00] mchou: briand: not sure. Could be a myth HDTV frontend.
[05:35:00] mchou: briand: just havent decided on "functionality" yet.
[05:35:00] briand: u didn't like the Pundit for ~ 100 bux?
[05:35:00] briand: it has firewire ports built in
[05:35:00] mchou: briand: not sure what video it's got......
[05:35:00] briand: and usb 2.0, and pcmcia, and smartcards, etc
[05:35:00] mchou: like there are 3 versions.
[05:36:00] briand: nvidia with a composite vga out
[05:36:00] briand: mine was 109
[05:36:00] mchou: and I'm afraid the proc there doesnt have enough headroom.....
[05:36:00] briand: there's a beefier one for 2.5x that much... but not necessary for Myth
[05:36:00] mchou: what's the beefiest proc that comes w/pundit?
[05:37:00] briand: mine's a combined backend/frontend and it works fine.
[05:37:00] briand: well, mines a socket 478... so a 2.4GHz Pentium IV Northridge with Prescott support
[05:37:00] mchou: briand: not if you want HDTV :)
[05:37:00] mchou: 1080i deinterlaced :)
[05:37:00] briand: the beefier one has a different socket...
[05:38:00] briand: 2.4GHz will handle that.
[05:38:00] briand: and it'll handle up to 2 G of ram, too
[05:38:00] mchou: briand: you sure???
[05:38:00] briand: i'm sure it'll address 2G of RAM, yes.
[05:38:00] mchou: the nvidia integrated video, what is it? a nv19?
[05:39:00] briand: dunno.. i'm using the PVR-350's TV out on my system
[05:39:00] mchou: briand: now, I was referring to 2.4 Ghz being enough for HDTV.
[05:39:00] mchou: no*
[05:39:00] briand: ah.. well, ask a HDTV expert.
[05:39:00] mchou: hehe, exactly :)
[05:39:00] briand: i'm running a standard wimpy 35" television
[05:40:00] mchou: I think I'll just go with the amd bundle. Cooler and quieter than P4, that's for sure.
[05:41:00] mchou: never mind P4 is terminal :)
[05:41:00] mchou: no upgrade path.
[05:41:00] briand: feh.
[05:41:00] briand: the beefiest machine in my house is my MythTV box...
[05:42:00] briand: after that, it's the 800MHz celeron with WinXP, then the 665MHz celeron with FC3, then the dual 450MHz celeron that i haven't loaded anything on yet.
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[05:43:00] mchou: sigh.....
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[05:44:00] joev: mchou, care to take a stab at why I cannot scan channels from either mythtv-setup or mythfilldatabase?
[05:44:00] mchou: sometimes I womnder whether it's just easier to get a pvr from the cableco.....
[05:44:00] briand: ack.
[05:44:00] mchou: joev: beats me.
[05:44:00] joev: I have been able to successful record streams using azap
[05:44:00] mchou: if azap is working myth should scan/no problems.
[05:45:00] mchou: joev: unless you screwed that up, which may be a distinct possibily.
[05:45:00] joev: and we are talking about the channel scan from the channel editor
[05:46:00] joev: possible
[05:46:00] briand: yay! 1121 updates downloaded and installed.
[05:46:00] briand: back in a few
[05:46:00] joev: any ideas on how to check that out
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[05:51:00] joev: when i ran dvbtraffic, most of my pids were the same
[05:51:00] joev: is that normal
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[05:56:00] larrydag: hello
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[05:59:00] mchou: darn, ulrich has no acceleration on the hills.
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[05:59:00] mchou: greargrinder.
[06:00:00] mchou: gear*
[06:00:00] joev: what are you watching?
[06:00:00] briand: this surprises you?
[06:00:00] mchou: Tour de Suisse.
[06:00:00] joev: ahhhhh
[06:00:00] briand: old news.
[06:00:00] joev: forgot about that one
[06:01:00] briand: he said, after the fact, that he "wasn't trying to win it — i just wanted to train for the TdF"
[06:01:00] mchou: hehe :)
[06:01:00] joev: that's what they all say
[06:01:00] mchou: he came in 11th overall, no?
[06:01:00] briand: yeah, all those bike racers are never trying to win.
[06:01:00] briand: yeah, exactly.. out of the top 10
[06:01:00] joev: then the show up at the tour useless
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[06:01:00] briand: ...against a field of (mostly) also-rans
[06:02:00] mchou: lol, lance hardly ever wins anything else except TdF
[06:02:00] briand: true.
[06:02:00] mchou: TdGeorgia doesnt really count.
[06:02:00] briand: but he wins the TdF, doesn't he?
[06:02:00] briand: ;)
[06:02:00] quink: any of you know what FFT is and why mythmusic visualization wnats it?
[06:03:00] briand: Fast Fourier Transforms
[06:03:00] slide: I have some recordings Ive done on another machine, is there anyway to make them accessable from mythtv as though they were recorded in it?
[06:03:00] briand: slide: are they MythTV recordings?
[06:03:00] slide: no
[06:03:00] briand: transcode them and put 'em in your video section, then
[06:04:00] quink: what installs FFT?
[06:04:00] briand: if they were MythTV, you could copy the *.nuv files over then just export/import the appropriate sql records
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[06:05:00] slide: hrm
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[06:05:00] briand: i'm gonna go see what the boys are up to at the cw station... --... ...--
[06:14:00] joev: finally got mythfilldatabase to populate the channel table
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[06:20:00] quink: can i make lircrc run a shellscript at the push of a button?
[06:21:00] slide: Im looking at my "Input connections" page of the mythtv-setup and ive added 2 inputs, "/dev/v4l/video0" and "/dev/v4l/video1", The video0 has an 4 listings, Television, Composite1, S-Video and Composite3, and video1 is missing the composite3. Does that mean anything?
[06:21:00] slide: I havnt be able yet to see any video, but does that look like it is atleast recognizing the cards?
[06:26:00] slide: What user do yall run mythtv as?
[06:27:00] quink: nice.
[06:28:00] quink: i got it working.
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[07:02:00] quink: is mythtv smart enough to share processor power regardless if you put it as high/med/low in mythsetup?
[07:04:00] GreyFoxx: put what as high medium or low?
[07:05:00] quink: i can't remember the specific wording but how it uses the processor
[07:05:00] quink: for transcoding etc
[07:05:00] GreyFoxx: I don't remember seeing a transcoding priority, but it's been years since I looked at that part of the menus since I don't use myth to transcode stuff
[07:06:00] quink: well i remember it was a sorta generic option in mythsetup
[07:06:00] quink: basically iw as hoping that if i gave myth more system resources it might not get audio sync issues when ripping dvds
[07:08:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh ok the job queues you can give a cpu usage setting too
[07:08:00] quink: yeah thats it
[07:08:00] quink: i put mine to high as the system is only being used for light apapche stuff/samba/mythtv
[07:09:00] quink: figured that hsould be okay and its a 2600+ which is almost 2ghz
[07:10:00] GreyFoxx: no idea, I don't use myth to rip dvd's or to transcode, sorry
[07:12:00] quink: oh well i'm happy enough. got a restart script working. i have mythfrontend running in a loop too incase it crashes and i updated kernels and reworked the filesystems
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[08:11:00] Mousey: hi all
[08:12:00] Mousey: anybody know why i get sound on every channel but one (cartoon network)?
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[08:16:00] BlurredWe: because you shouldn't watch futurama, it's bad for you
[08:17:00] BlurredWe: the channel right above and right below works?
[08:17:00] BlurredWe: and the video comes in ok?
[08:17:00] BlurredWe: because if so, damn thats weird
[08:17:00] ** BlurredWe isn't really all that helpful :) **
[08:17:00] Mousey: oh ya
[08:18:00] Mousey: above is a channel i don't get, and below is spanish.. works fine
[08:18:00] Mousey: in fact, all the other channels work for sound, but the most important! =(
[08:19:00] Mousey: heh, i didn't even notice til i discovered my recordings on that channel were mute. =((
[08:19:00] BlurredWe: thats weird, I wish I could help you, I haven't heard of that before
[08:19:00] BlurredWe: how are you getting the audio
[08:19:00] BlurredWe: (ie, what capture card)
[08:19:00] Mousey: pvr350, rca->3.5mm looped into line-in on my SB-audigy
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[08:21:00] tim: anyone got a working ubuntu system w/ a WinTV pvr-150
[08:22:00] BlurredWe: why are you looping back with a pvr card?
[08:22:00] tim: BlurredWe, me?
[08:22:00] BlurredWe: Mousey :)
[08:22:00] tim: oh gotcha
[08:22:00] defaultro: good morning guys
[08:23:00] defaultro: anyone here uses mythstream? I like to try it
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[08:23:00] BlurredWe: whats a mythstream?
[08:23:00] defaultro: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html
[08:23:00] Mousey: BlurredWe: well, because i'm usint TV-out on the PVR350 to feed into my TV, which only has video-in
[08:23:00] Mousey: so i use the sound card in my cptr to get stereo
[08:24:00] Mousey: i wish i could use tv-out on my video card, so the menus were on the TV too
[08:24:00] BlurredWe: so thats the output part of the equation, not the input...the audio and video both come direct from the card
[08:24:00] Mousey: but i have a nvidia card with dual heads, and asking it to do tv-out too is xf86config-fu i don't have
[08:24:00] BlurredWe: and you realize that I'm not really leading you anywhere....I'm no good at hardware issues :)
[08:25:00] BlurredWe: but talking through things can occasionaly solve things
[08:25:00] Mousey: oh, well i know for sure it's the tuner
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[08:25:00] defaultro: Mousey, edit xorg.conf by hand
[08:25:00] Mousey: if i watch TV over the network that's still the only channel with no sound
[08:25:00] defaultro: :)
[08:26:00] defaultro: i hate mythstream documentation :(
[08:26:00] Mousey: defaultro: i wrote my xf86config-4 file from scratch. i know it inside and out, it works like a charm, i just don't have the documentation to do tv-out AND two monitors..
[08:26:00] defaultro: and media-settings.xml. It was weird characters
[08:26:00] defaultro: s/was/has/
[08:27:00] defaultro: try twinview but performance cost ?
[08:27:00] Mousey: twinview is for two monitors, or one monitor and one tv, but two monitors and one tv??
[08:27:00] defaultro: huh
[08:28:00] defaultro: can you say what you want to happen again?
[08:28:00] Mousey: well, in a nutshell, i want sound on the Cartoon Network channel
[08:28:00] Mousey: i got sound on every other channel
[08:28:00] Mousey: video on every channel
[08:28:00] Mousey: no sound on the cartoon network channel
[08:28:00] Mousey: =(
[08:29:00] defaultro: that i don't know why there is no sound
[08:29:00] ** Mousey crys **
[08:29:00] Mousey: i'd be happy if i could just figure out how to figure out -why- there's no sound
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[08:30:00] GotD0t: Mousey: what do you need sound on cartoon network for?
[08:30:00] Mousey: INUYASHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:31:00] GotD0t: i dont want to know
[08:31:00] Mousey: ^____^
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[08:37:00] Mousey: shit
[08:38:00] Mousey: when i do mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0 on the Cartoon Network, I GET SOUND!!!
[08:38:00] Mousey: so it's not the tuner, it's myth??
[08:38:00] GotD0t: Mousey: mute button
[08:38:00] GotD0t: maybe it realizes that you're way too old ot be watching cartoon network
[08:38:00] Mousey: how old am i?
[08:39:00] GotD0t: i dunno
[08:39:00] Mousey: !!!
[08:39:00] GotD0t: but any age is too old to be watching cartoon network
[08:39:00] Mousey: maybe -you- are just too old ;)
[08:39:00] GotD0t: or maybe... consideirng cartoons these days, any age is too young to be watching cartoon network
[08:39:00] Mousey: hmm. maybe it's /dev/video16
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[08:40:00] ** Mousey tries a remote mythfrontend again **
[08:40:00] GotD0t: well
[08:40:00] GotD0t: since im an old fart ya know
[08:40:00] GotD0t: at 18... im gonna get some sleep
[08:40:00] GotD0t: heh
[08:42:00] Mousey: nnani??
[08:42:00] Mousey: now it works!!
[08:42:00] Mousey: ...the local mythfrontend process maybe?
[08:42:00] ** Mousey tries **
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[08:44:00] Mousey: works!!
[08:44:00] Mousey: meh, this is teh suck
[08:45:00] Mousey: nm!! ttyl ^_^
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[09:15:00] Mousey: dammit
[09:15:00] Mousey: it's not recording sound!
[09:15:00] Mousey: it records sound on every other channel
[09:15:00] Mousey: but not this one! =(
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[10:02:00] stang: Are the s-video & composite audio/video inputs on the wintv-pvr-500mce well supported in mythtv?
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[10:56:00] travolta: i think that would be a ivtv driver issue
[10:57:00] travolta: not mythtv
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[12:50:00] Super_Cat_Frog: hi – im having problems tuning to into channels: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FV7MJ260.html
[12:50:00] Super_Cat_Frog: it worked perfectly for quite a while, and this morning i turned the computer on and it decided not to work
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[13:15:00] ** KarlosII awakens from his deep sleep **
[13:20:00] Super_Cat_Frog: can anybody help me?
[13:21:00] Super_Cat_Frog: im using cvs from a few weeks agop
[13:21:00] Super_Cat_Frog: *ago
[13:22:00] Super_Cat_Frog: now its decided that it cant connect to the backend
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[13:34:00] Super_Cat_Frog: found the problem – i forgot to plug my signal booster back in
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[14:30:00] Araldit: I just recently upgraded mplayer, and in this newer version the forcexv has vanished. Now I cant see subtitles when playing a xvid movie with mplayer and mythtv. The OSD is also gone. I use mythvideo as the frontend. Does anyone know a solution for this. I would like still to use XV.
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[15:30:00] flexy: in the mythconverg database, where should I put the subtitle PID for different channels? DVB-T in question
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[15:36:00] flexy: or does the subtitles streams even work?
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[15:47:00] fall0ut: I've got a PVR-250 in my box, and I've got no sound and really choppy video when I watch live TV, where do I start?
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[16:05:00] fall0ut: actually, I have audio now, just the video/audio plays too fast
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[16:20:00] c3rn: hi
[16:21:00] c3rn: I have a serious concern, becuase I've become extremely discouraged
[16:21:00] c3rn: newer TV tuners CHIps apparently will exclude the chip for tuning digital TV
[16:21:00] c3rn: starting July 1rst
[16:22:00] c3rn: does this mean the end of MythTV?
[16:22:00] c3rn: how will be possible to record watch and program at your will with something that's blocked?
[16:22:00] Ashlar: huh? you talking about the broadcast flag? that was for HD only, and was killed (once)
[16:22:00] c3rn: will coders and hackers either through sofware or hardware find a way around?
[16:23:00] c3rn: Ashlar yeah!!
[16:23:00] c3rn: those flags
[16:23:00] Ashlar: well, it was stopped once (thanks EFF) but the PTB are still trying to sneak it in
[16:23:00] c3rn: because I read that on the current oreilly's MAKE magazine
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[16:24:00] c3rn: so why did MAKE on the most current magazine warn users that by july 1 all manufacturers will honor that flag?
[16:24:00] Ashlar: because they went to press 6 weeks ago? no clue
[16:26:00] c3rn: Ashlar ohhh,,, ok
[16:26:00] Ashlar: http://www.makezine.com/02/hdtv/
[16:26:00] Ashlar: they updated the story
[16:26:00] c3rn: ohh.. phewww...
[16:26:00] c3rn: :'-)
[16:28:00] c3rn: Ashlar do you reccomend buying a high end TV tuner and hoping the driver will be eventually available to linux?
[16:29:00] Ashlar: err, you can capture OTA HD right now.. it's already here
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[16:29:00] Ashlar: heck, the pcHDTV driver is _only_ for linux, iirc
[16:30:00] c3rn: Ashlar no I am saying.. for a TV tuner such as Huppage last model
[16:30:00] c3rn: soo all hauppage work under linux?
[16:30:00] Ashlar: ahh.. well, tv tuner != HDTV
[16:30:00] c3rn: mm...
[16:30:00] Ashlar: no, not all, but the good ones do :)
[16:30:00] c3rn: ok let me show you
[16:30:00] Ashlar: pvr-x50, 500
[16:31:00] Ashlar: not sure re the nova=t,. etc
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[16:31:00] Ashlar: the mythtv.org website has a good list of what works
[16:32:00] tim: anyone gotten a pvr-150 up and running on an ubuntu box
[16:32:00] tim: or any pvr-*50 on ubuntu for that matter
[16:32:00] c3rn: wait so what's best analog receivers or digital receivers?
[16:32:00] pac1: Ashlar, where exactly is that list?
[16:33:00] Ashlar: go to docs, hardware requirements
[16:33:00] Ashlar: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1
[16:34:00] Ashlar: a lot of folks here use hardware encoder cards (ie, pvr-150, 250, 350) for analog capture, pcHDTV for OTA HD, etc etc etc
[16:35:00] iggy: air2pc is another good one for HDTV
[16:35:00] c3rn: Ashlar pcHDTV is a hardware or driver?
[16:35:00] fall0ut: arrrr
[16:35:00] fall0ut: like, my pvr250 is giving me a weird issue
[16:35:00] Ashlar: hardware.. capture card
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[16:35:00] c3rn: let me google it
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[16:36:00] Ashlar: you can also capture HDTV over firewire if your cable company's set top box enables it
[16:37:00] fall0ut: Anybody ever seen a PVR250 capture the vidoe/audio wrong? When I go to watch TV the video plays back at probably 1.25x the normal rate
[16:37:00] Ashlar: and that may not work for premium channels (up to the cable companies what they encrypt, etc)
[16:37:00] fall0ut: I can pause it and hit playback and it eventually catches back up
[16:38:00] Ashlar: fall0ut: anything on the frontend logs?
[16:38:00] tim: nobody :( no ubuntu success :(
[16:38:00] tim: anyone have a suggestion on a good distro I can put mythTV on relatively easy (w/ a pvr-150)
[16:39:00] fall0ut: Ashlar: what do I do to get mythfrontend to log ?
[16:39:00] tim: its not a standalone mythTV box...so knoppmyth won't work
[16:39:00] Ashlar: fall0ut: start it from a console with -v all, and redirect stdout / stderr
[16:40:00] iggy: tim: there are good docs for fedora
[16:40:00] Ashlar: tim: check the ml, I seem to remember folks having luck w/ ubuntu
[16:40:00] c3rn: hey is it possible to turn a PCI into a USB or firewire?
[16:40:00] c3rn: for istance with some type of adapter?
[16:41:00] fall0ut: 2005-06–26 10:40:52.066 audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 224 need 4096
[16:41:00] fall0ut: 2005-06–26 10:40:52.073 audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 1568 need 4096
[16:41:00] fall0ut: 2005-06–26 10:40:52.080 audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 2912 need 4096
[16:41:00] fall0ut: 2005-06–26 10:40:52.087 Broadcasting free space avail
[16:41:00] c3rn: pci to usb?
[16:41:00] Ashlar: there are PCI cards for USB / firewire
[16:41:00] Ashlar: fall0ut, tuen on 'extra audio buffering'
[16:42:00] c3rn: I am saying like if I have a laptop but I prefer the PCI card rather than the external USB and I wanna turn it into firewire USB?
[16:42:00] fall0ut: Ashlar: already tried that
[16:43:00] Ashlar: fall0ut: enable realtime priority threads? setuid root mythfrontend?
[16:44:00] Ashlar: c3rn: no, don't think such an animal exists.. something that you can plug a PCI card into and has a USB / firewire plug on the other end
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[16:44:00] tim: thx Ashlar and iggy
[16:44:00] fall0ut: I haven't setuid root mythfrontend
[16:45:00] fall0ut: but I've done everything else
[16:48:00] fall0ut: arggg
[16:48:00] fall0ut: why does the video play so fast
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[17:10:00] braniff: what causes "Unexpected MYTH_PROTO_VERSION" errors when backend and frontend are same MythTV version ??
[17:11:00] stoffel: braniff: the backend is 'confused', i'd restart both and try again
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[17:11:00] braniff: OK
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[17:13:00] braniff: yup, that's what it was
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[18:28:00] mortal5: hi all, i was doing doing some vid capture w my 250: cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg
[18:29:00] mortal5: and i noticed my file sizes with the hardware mpg encoding are HUGE
[18:29:00] GeckoFiend: mortal5 define "HUGE"
[18:29:00] mortal5: -rw-r--r-- 1 mortal users 344M 2005-06–26 11:28 /home/mortal/test.mpg
[18:29:00] GeckoFiend: and.... what did you set your bitrate to?
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[18:30:00] GeckoFiend: 344M isn't huge
[18:30:00] mortal5: that is about 6 min of video
[18:30:00] GeckoFiend: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.5G 2005-04–11 17:35 2053_20050411170000_20050411173000.nuv
[18:30:00] GeckoFiend: that's for one hour
[18:30:00] mortal5: lol
[18:31:00] mortal5: redonkulous
[18:31:00] mortal5: what's this .nuv format?
[18:31:00] GeckoFiend: if you have a hardware encoder it's MPEG2
[18:31:00] mortal5: right
[18:32:00] mortal5: I don't understand how this could be mpg
[18:32:00] GeckoFiend: so... then why did you ask? :-p
[18:32:00] GeckoFiend: 1) it's MPEG2 not MPEG4. 2) It's 100% dependant on your bitrate
[18:32:00] GeckoFiend: if you want smaller sizes use a lower bitrate
[18:33:00] mortal5: GeckoFiend, how would i set the bitrate, and what would be a good bitrate for standard tv?
[18:34:00] GeckoFiend: mortal5 it's in the recording profiles, and it's pretty subjective. Lots of folks use 2200 which works aout to about 2g and hour or somehting like that. I think that looks like crap. I use 4500min 7k max
[18:35:00] mortal5: GeckoFiend, that's still alot, you think i could loose some of that if i encoded in a diff format later?
[18:36:00] Mousey: how come i can't record sound on only ONE channel?
[18:37:00] Mousey: sound record fine on aaaall the other channels, except one
[18:38:00] Mousey: huh?
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[18:49:00] spark_elite: hi, quick question, for the web frontend...I have no scheduled recordings showing up although I have have entries in the recording schedules whihc should be recoreded tonight
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[18:56:00] spark_elite: I have nothing showing up in my scheduled recordings...any idea why? I'm using myth .18
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[19:12:00] frang: anyone here who knows what program MythTV uses to capture video? If it is ffmpeg, mencoder or something of their own?
[19:14:00] xris: capture? it uses the video drivers.
[19:15:00] xris: to encode, for software encoding, it uses libavi, which is (I believe) the same as ffmpeg uses.
[19:15:00] xris: but heavily modified.
[19:15:00] frang: ok, great. I'm testing a way to encode/capture from commandline for some scripts i'm making, and was wondering if it was possible to use the ones in myth
[19:16:00] xris: imho it'd be easier to just get a pvr-x50 card.
[19:16:00] Ashlar: well, if you use a pvr-x50, you can just do cat /dev/videoX > mycap.mpg
[19:17:00] frang: i do have a pvr350 but doing a cat /dev/video0 is not the best way to do it. I need to set it to capture 30 minutes of video
[19:17:00] frang: And you can't time a cat ;)
[19:18:00] xris: for the hardware encoders, I'm pretty sure myth just reads from the file for X amount of time.
[19:18:00] xris: and sure you can time a cat... fork a process to cat, start a timer, and then kill it off when the timer is done.
[19:18:00] xris: can't do it in bash, but it'd be fairly easy in perl
[19:18:00] frang: well, that is a way ofcourse
[19:19:00] frang: maybe I should look into that
[19:20:00] frang: thanks!
[19:23:00] xris: actually, probable *could* do it in bash, but it'd be too much work for me. heh.
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[19:32:00] faileddisk: Well, my LVM setup of 5 drives had one go bad, and it appears I have lost everything. I know mythgallery and other plugins allow the searching of multiple directories.. There's no way to do this though for recordings correct? Such as saying here's 5 partitions to be used to hold recordings.. ?
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[19:33:00] JonK: ouch....
[19:33:00] faileddisk: yeah, I'm still not over the data loss.. music, photo's, about 250 hours of stored HD recordings..
[19:34:00] faileddisk: I just want to get away from anything where if one disk fails, you lose everything
[19:34:00] JonK: is there a way to create a new volume group, and assign the volumes to it?
[19:34:00] faileddisk: maybe, but I
[19:34:00] faileddisk: I've spent the last 20 hours straight looking for any information doing that, but nothing useful.
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[19:35:00] JonK: email to the lvm maintainer?
[19:35:00] jasonr112: wow – this is a lively channel!
[19:35:00] jasonr112: quick question for someone --
[19:35:00] JonK: we're all mouning the loss of faileddisk
[19:35:00] faileddisk: I was able to just drop the lost drive, but the lvm mapper of /dev/mapper/media (my lvm fs) vanished and I never could mount after that, then I was tired and not thinking straight and did a pvreduce -a and everything vanished.
[19:36:00] jasonr112: is 'mythcommflag' supposed to start up multiple processes while flagging a single recorded program?
[19:36:00] linagee: faileddisk: you just LVM-ed them together? like one raid 0?
[19:36:00] faileddisk: I'm hoping there's a way to just match what I have up and lvm can put things back, but of course, no ducmentation
[19:36:00] linagee: faileddisk: that is silly
[19:37:00] faileddisk: nope, because lvm is suppose to be able to recover all data except the lost drive, but that for some reason didn't happen
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[19:37:00] faileddisk: also, with lvm you can add and remove drives as you like, raid0 you can't
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[19:37:00] JonK: https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/200 . . . sg00204.html
[19:37:00] faileddisk: been there
[19:38:00] linagee: faileddisk: huh? lvm doesn't do raid 5.
[19:38:00] JonK: that's what im reading
[19:38:00] xris: faileddisk: not entirely true — there are raid controllers that do online expansion/migration.. (add disks, change from raid1 to raid5, etc)
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[19:38:00] linagee: faileddisk: lvm will do something like a raid 0 and something like a raid 1.
[19:38:00] Mousey: that doesn't reach up to the filesystem level tho
[19:38:00] Mousey: lvm is filesystem, raid is device level
[19:39:00] linagee: Mousey: this is why i said something like it.
[19:39:00] faileddisk: lvm is not a filesystem
[19:39:00] linagee: lvm is an intermediate layer. blocks in, blocks out.
[19:39:00] Mousey: actually, it's a layer between partition and fs
[19:39:00] Mousey: yes
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[19:39:00] Mousey: but it's a higher level in the kernel's understanding of things than RAID is
[19:39:00] linagee: faileddisk: should have used md.
[19:40:00] ** linagee uses md and lvm **
[19:40:00] Mousey: yah, md is for raid5
[19:40:00] faileddisk: md as in the raid tools?
[19:40:00] linagee: md to make multiple drives into a raid5, lvm to split up that space.
[19:40:00] Mousey: you can stripe with LVM, but you can't do parity and things, it's too high level for that
[19:40:00] faileddisk: no thanks. I had software raid5 before I went to LVM, didn't care for it
[19:40:00] xris: raid5 is a lot of cpu usage
[19:41:00] Mousey: raid5 is better handled in hardware
[19:41:00] linagee: faileddisk: what's wrong with software raid
[19:41:00] Mousey: too much cpu
[19:41:00] linagee: Mousey: get a dedicated computer....
[19:41:00] Mousey: or a dedicated raid card, cheaper
[19:41:00] xris: Mousey: not always.
[19:41:00] linagee: exactly.
[19:41:00] xris: good raid card runs $600+...
[19:41:00] linagee: good raid cards run like $1000
[19:41:00] linagee: exactly.
[19:42:00] Mousey: hehe, i agree
[19:42:00] xris: new compy from dell is $300
[19:42:00] linagee: and plus, raid cards mostly suck. most just use the computer's cpu.
[19:42:00] Mousey: but depends on how many drives you wanna hook up
[19:42:00] faileddisk: when I used software it was to slow to save 4hd streams at once. with the ringbuffer for hd recording it's possible to do raid5, buut raid5 can be a pain.
[19:42:00] linagee: faileddisk: see, the problem here is that you are caring about speed.
[19:42:00] linagee: faileddisk: having a huge raid5 is not about speed.
[19:42:00] xris: 3ware cards are good, lsi are ok. nothing else is worthwhile in linux.
[19:42:00] Mousey: might try raid4, it's faster
[19:43:00] Mousey: yah, raid5 is not a wise idea for a database anyway
[19:43:00] linagee: Mousey: raid 1 would be a better idea
[19:43:00] Mousey: 0+1
[19:43:00] Mousey: ya
[19:43:00] xris: Mousey: aka 10
[19:44:00] Mousey: but that gets into expensive again
[19:44:00] faileddisk: I know the pro's and cons.. my main question was if anyone knows if there is a way to specify multiple directories to hold recordings, so I don't have to do LVM, raid, or anything else
[19:44:00] travolta: i'm trying to install mythweb and am stuck at this part in the README. It tells me to do the following command: "chgrp -R apache /wwww/htdocs/myMythWebDirectory/{image_cache,php_sessions}" but the next paragraph says to be warry if you run apache as nobody/nogroup. my distro is setup to run apache as nobody/nogroup, now what?
[19:44:00] xris: faileddisk: I don't think so...
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[19:44:00] JonK: you could just use chron and rsync
[19:45:00] faileddisk: anything think of a reason why myth shouldn't support something like that?
[19:45:00] Mousey: faileddisk: at the VERY least, use LVM.. and then if you wanna use RAID, mirror, since striping will be handled by LVM
[19:45:00] xris: travolta: read the whole note... it's just so that you know whether to chgrp apache or chgrp nobody.
[19:47:00] ** xris is so happy that mythtv now uses svn. **
[19:47:00] linagee: faileddisk: your best bet is raid 1. simple, only requires two drives to start, can protect the OS files as well, unlike your "store in two place"
[19:47:00] JonK: xris is it availble to general public yet?
[19:47:00] xris: JonK: has been for a few days.
[19:48:00] xris: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac
[19:48:00] JonK: oh so nice
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[19:48:00] ** linagee is having problems with his raid 5 array. the thing acts like a space heater. lol. **
[19:49:00] linagee: it actually makes it hard to sleep in that room.
[19:49:00] JonK: frys has a 99 room unit air conditioner
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[19:49:00] JonK: you'd need somewhere to vent the exhaust
[19:49:00] faileddisk: .. I don't know why we're still talking about raid... trust me, I've build dozens of systems with hardware and software raid. I know linux software raid inside and out. There is no point for me to have redundency nor do I care about having it for 5 200gb drives to store mostly tv recordings. If someone knew lvm and could answer questions on that, that is fine. If someone know of a way to have myth write to various partitions for recordings so no raid
[19:49:00] faileddisk: or lvm was needed to store more files than can be saved to one hard drive that's really what I'm looking for... :-/
[19:49:00] linagee: JonK: gotta vent that to somewhere. also those room a/c units are costly on the electric bill
[19:50:00] linagee: JonK: as if running an 8 drive raid array 24/7 wasn't costly already. lol.
[19:50:00] Mousey: i know lvm better than most
[19:50:00] Mousey: i haven't built a machine without lvm for years
[19:50:00] JonK: we all have to make sacrifices
[19:50:00] Mousey: even EVMS lvm on linux/PPC
[19:50:00] laga: faileddisk: that would be a cool feature.
[19:51:00] laga: faileddisk: i'm too cheap to afford a raid 5 and i don't want to lose 500gb of data if one hdd fails
[19:51:00] Mousey: cuz the wacky mac partitioning doesn't allow for regular Linux LVM 8e partition types
[19:51:00] linagee: Mousey: lvm is cool. you can extend existing lvm devices to add more space. :-)
[19:51:00] faileddisk: mousey: is there a way if you say ran pvreduce -a, and accidently got rid of your volume, that you can put it back together without data loss?
[19:51:00] linagee: laga: buy two drives and use raid 1.
[19:51:00] Mousey: yes. the primary reason i only us LVM anymore is because i always never know where i'll need more space
[19:52:00] laga: linagee: i'm too cheap/boke ;)
[19:52:00] linagee: Mousey: hrm. raid 1 (2 drives) + raid 1 (2 drives) + raid 1 (2 drives) + ... can keep this up with lvm. just keep tacking them on as you need space. :-)
[19:52:00] Mousey: faileddisk: well you can pvcreate again, and...
[19:53:00] Mousey: P@k@l0l0
[19:53:00] Mousey: oops
[19:53:00] ** Mousey changes password **
[19:53:00] linagee: i know your password! :-)
[19:53:00] faileddisk: mousey: will a pvcreate just "put things back as they were" or will it do something that would make the current data on the drives unusable/gone?
[19:53:00] ** linagee logs into Mousey's computer and steals all the pr0n and mythtv recordings. **
[19:54:00] Mousey: not anymore!
[19:54:00] linagee: lol
[19:54:00] Mousey: actually u can have those for free. ;)
[19:54:00] Mousey: all pvcreate does is flags the drives as available to be put in volume groups, it doesn't touch any preexisting data on the drives
[19:55:00] linagee: faileddisk: ghost the drives. then you can try various reconstruction scenarios. :-)
[19:55:00] Mousey: do a vgcfgrestore once you recreate their pv statuses
[19:56:00] Mousey: if that doesn't work, u should be able to vgimport the pvs back into their old volumegroups
[19:56:00] Mousey: linagee makes a good point tho
[19:56:00] linagee: or dd if that's your thing
[19:56:00] Mousey: dd the drives into images somewhere is a good start
[19:57:00] linagee: Mousey: of course you'll probably need a huge drive array to put the data into. :-)
[19:57:00] Mousey: hehe
[19:57:00] Mousey: there's that
[19:57:00] Mousey: alsop
[19:57:00] linagee: or just run to fry's, buy some 400GB drives, raid 0 them, hope they don't fail in the short time you use them, do your work, return them to fry's. :-)
[19:58:00] Mousey: when you pvcreate again, you might run vgck to check the volumegroup data
[19:58:00] linagee: i mean... keep them because you paid for them and nobody likes buying open boxes at fry's. :-)
[19:58:00] Mousey: ugh, i hate frys
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[19:58:00] Mousey: Fry's, technology rental supercenter!
[19:58:00] linagee: LOL
[19:59:00] linagee: Mousey: imagine if they started not accepting returns. i think everyone would just stop shopping there. :-)
[19:59:00] stang: While we're talking about retailer's, is $116.41 a good price for the Hauppauge pvr-500mce?
[19:59:00] Ashlar: the only place I know where something has to be returned by three customers before it's considered 'bad'
[19:59:00] JonK: Ok, I've reinstalled ubuntu, built a new 2.6.12 kernel, managed to boot it, added ivtv, and it appears that the hd3000 is properly configured as is the hauppauge cards
[19:59:00] Mousey: linagee: yah, that's the sick part, i think they know it too
[19:59:00] xris: stang: yes
[19:59:00] JonK: yes stang good price
[20:00:00] JonK: how do i test teh hd3000
[20:00:00] Mousey: stang: my pvr350 cost me 180 two weeks ago, so yah
[20:00:00] JonK: although I still have the 350/500 conflict
[20:00:00] stang: Good deal, I was planning on buying a pvr-150mce but the 500 for not much more
[20:00:00] JonK: stang, any other hauppage cards?
[20:00:00] Mousey: i have no idea how easy it'll be to get working tho
[20:00:00] Mousey: my 350 works great, however. =)
[20:01:00] stang: JonK, nope, just getting into the mythtv business :-)
[20:01:00] JonK: if you combine a 350 and the 500 and use the tv out of the 350, you lose the 1st 500 tuner
[20:01:00] JonK: so 1 have 1x350 2x500 and have 4 useable tuners
[20:01:00] Mousey: anyone know why i can't get mythtv to record sound on only ONE channel? records sound on every other channel, but the cartoon network! =(
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[20:01:00] stang: Yeah, 2 tuners should be plenty for me, I'll hardly use one of them
[20:01:00] stang: But thanks for the heads up
[20:01:00] Mousey: JonK: that's just too much television.. ;)
[20:02:00] JonK: hell now im trying to get the hd3000 to work
[20:02:00] JonK: i bought 2 x500 cards by mistake
[20:02:00] JonK: only meant to buy one
[20:02:00] Mousey: cute
[20:02:00] stang: haha, bet that was a nice surprise
[20:02:00] JonK: buy.com sends email "sorry back ordred item, click here to cancel"
[20:02:00] JonK: i cliked
[20:02:00] JonK: i clicked
[20:03:00] JonK: orderd from another seller
[20:03:00] JonK: three hours later
[20:03:00] faileddisk: mousey: you have no idea how much I appreciate those tips...
[20:03:00] JonK: "your buy.com order is on the way"
[20:03:00] stang: I've heard they are questionable sometimes
[20:03:00] Mousey: faileddisk: as long as it works.. LVM is probably the most useful thing to happen in linux since KDE
[20:03:00] stang: but that's who I'm getting my 500 from
[20:03:00] faileddisk: so a pvcreate /dev/hdb1 /dev/hdc1 /dev/hdd1 /dev/hde1 would be the first thing?
[20:03:00] faileddisk: and that is safe/should kill the data?
[20:03:00] JonK: well, if they tell you it's backordered
[20:04:00] Mousey: faileddisk: yah, that'll just flag the drives as
[20:04:00] JonK: dont believe them
[20:04:00] Mousey: LVMable PVs
[20:04:00] stang: Alright :-)
[20:04:00] Mousey: as long as they were part of a VG before, they should still have that info
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[20:05:00] Mousey: faileddisk: in the future, just before you make any LVM changes, run vgcfgbackup
[20:06:00] Mousey: so u have a good working backup config if u need to restore the old scheme
[20:06:00] JonK: anyone offer any hd3000 suggestions? would like to test to see if it's working, but am unsure how
[20:07:00] faileddisk: mousey: vgcfgrestore says there isn't a backup, and /etc/lvm/backup is empty, however /etc/lvm/archive/media_00000.. to 00004 do exist.
[20:07:00] Mousey: faileddisk: did you recreate the PVs before you ran vgcfgrestore?
[20:07:00] faileddisk: yes
[20:08:00] Mousey: ok, does vgscan show the volume group info [and perhaps some errors]
[20:08:00] Mousey: ?
[20:08:00] faileddisk: pvdisplay showed the 4 drives, before and after I ran the pvcreate command
[20:08:00] faileddisk: no, nothing
[20:08:00] faileddisk: vgscan shows nothing..
[20:08:00] Mousey: vgimport the PVs into their old volume groups
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[20:09:00] faileddisk: as in "vgimport media /dev/hda2 /dev/hdb1 /dev/hdc1 /dev/hde1" where media was the name of the volume?
[20:10:00] Mousey: does vgs give you any info?
[20:10:00] faileddisk: nopw
[20:11:00] Mousey: even if you supply the name of the vg?
[20:11:00] faileddisk: vgs media says "unable to find..."
[20:12:00] Mousey: there's nothing in /etc/lvm/backup?
[20:12:00] faileddisk: "vgimport media" /dev/hda2 /dev/hdb1 ..." says "Unable to find exported volume group media" amd pme fpr each parameter I gave
[20:12:00] faileddisk: nothing in /etc/lvm/backup, just /etc/lvm/archive/
[20:14:00] faileddisk: there is /etc/lvm/archive/media_00000.vg media_00001.vg ... media_00005.vg
[20:14:00] Mousey: aah, are they ASCII files?
[20:15:00] faileddisk: yes
[20:15:00] faileddisk: they look like what vgscan used to display
[20:15:00] Mousey: contents = "Text Format Volume Group"
[20:15:00] Mousey: ?
[20:15:00] faileddisk: "Text format volume group"... "description \ Executiong before running "pvreduce media --removemissing"
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[20:16:00] Mousey: aah
[20:16:00] faileddisk: so those 5 must be backups before major commands were run. :)
[20:16:00] Mousey: so the vg was torndown
[20:16:00] Mousey: yah
[20:16:00] faileddisk: when i ran pvreduce -a the vg vanished last night, yes
[20:16:00] Mousey: i think you want to copy these files to the /etc/lvm/backup dir, and then run vgcfgrestore
[20:20:00] faileddisk: when doing the vgcfgrestore it tells me "Can't find device with uuid "3MUK...."
[20:22:00] Mousey: grr
[20:22:00] faileddisk: well, at first it tells me it cna't find /etc/lvm/backup/media and if I symlink media to each of the files at a time, it tells me it can't find one of the uuid's, and the unknown uuid depends on which file I use
[20:22:00] Mousey: well it's a good thing they're text file
[20:22:00] Mousey: s
[20:23:00] Mousey: if u do pvscan --uuid, it'll tell you the UUIDs for each drive
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[20:23:00] faileddisk: mousey: thank you for your help, I extremely appreciate it.. if there's anything I can do for you, let me know, I can get you a good discount on the HD3000 cards if you like.
[20:24:00] Mousey: correlate which drive goes in which file and rewrite the UUID for each drive in the backup files
[20:24:00] Mousey: faileddisk: i just want myth to record sound on the Cartoon Network.. ^__^
[20:24:00] Mousey: (it records on every other channel!)
[20:24:00] Mousey: +sound
[20:24:00] JonK: lmousey what card?
[20:24:00] JonK: :q
[20:25:00] Mousey: pvr350
[20:25:00] JonK: if you use ivtv tune script and try to record manually do you get sound?
[20:25:00] Mousey: it does audio fine on that channel til it goes to record, then it doesn't record audio..
[20:25:00] Mousey: yah! i can cat /dev/video0 to mplayer and it works
[20:26:00] JonK: strange...
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[20:26:00] Mousey: i can even watch from frontend and it works
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[20:26:00] Mousey: but when it goes to -record- from frontend, sound disappears! =(
[20:26:00] Mousey: oh
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[20:27:00] Mousey: and then sound doesn't work from livetv frontend anymore only on that channel
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[20:28:00] faileddisk: I'll check into your problem for you mousey too. I did check the various .vg files and the one with 0.vg has info about volume groups, the 1.vg file doesn't have that info, and only 3 drives, 2.vg only has 2 drives, 3.vg has 1 drive, or the like..
[20:31:00] Mousey: faileddisk: one file might be about the VG itself, and the others might pertain to individual PVs.. since you've run pvcreate again, the drives now have new UUIDs, so you have to correlate each UUID with the -NEW- UUID in the .vg file pertaining to that drive [it'll have the OLD UUID at the moment, rewrite it to the new one], and then the Volume Group file might have all the drives' old UUIDs stored, those too will have to
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[20:33:00] Mousey: OH
[20:33:00] Mousey: faileddisk: wait
[20:33:00] faileddisk: actually, the mousey: I correlated the uuids, said media is restored
[20:33:00] Mousey: faileddisk: i think 0.vg is the only one you need to have in ./backup when you vgcfgrestore
[20:33:00] Mousey: oh
[20:33:00] Mousey: then vgscan should show the vg again
[20:33:00] faileddisk: the 0.vg had the failed disk in it
[20:33:00] Mousey: oh
[20:34:00] Mousey: you did have a failed disk =)
[20:34:00] faileddisk: yeah.. well, pretty much failed, if I did a find / on the lvm when the disk was in the system, it would pause for a minute, then go on to find more.. but it would eventually hard lock the system after doing that 3–4 times
[20:35:00] faileddisk: vgscan does show media
[20:35:00] Mousey: aah. well are you using a new disk, or the old [failed] one still?
[20:35:00] faileddisk: there is no /dev/mapper/media file though to mount/fsck, etc.
[20:35:00] faileddisk: no new disk
[20:35:00] faileddisk: no old disk
[20:35:00] faileddisk: it's disconnected from the ide card and power is not connected to the drive
[20:35:00] Mousey: the failed disk has been removed completely?
[20:35:00] Mousey: oh
[20:35:00] Mousey: ok
[20:35:00] faileddisk: yes
[20:35:00] faileddisk: it was causing the system to hard lock. so..
[20:35:00] Mousey: well the array might not be viable still
[20:36:00] Mousey: there are alternate names that aren't /dev/mapper/whatever-goeshere
[20:36:00] faileddisk: I could try putting it back in, but I honestly think that would be such a pain to try to recover frmo it, I'd rather just count the data on it as a loss
[20:36:00] Mousey: they should look like /dev/whatever/goeshere
[20:37:00] Mousey: well, because it's missing, means the whole VG might be useless, thats all i'm saying
[20:37:00] faileddisk: "mount /dev/media/media /media" asks for fs type
[20:37:00] Mousey: do lvscan, what do you get
[20:37:00] faileddisk: nothing
[20:37:00] Mousey: that's a bad sign
[20:38:00] Mousey: the vg is there, but no logical volumes?
[20:38:00] Mousey: did u vgchange -a
[20:38:00] faileddisk: vgdisply shows the lvm system
[20:38:00] faileddisk: no
[20:38:00] faileddisk: no vgchange -a
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[20:38:00] Mousey: does vgdisplay show your volume group that was once destroyed?
[20:38:00] faileddisk: yes
[20:38:00] Mousey: ok
[20:39:00] Mousey: so in that volume group should be your old logical volume(s)..
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[20:39:00] faileddisk: yes
[20:39:00] faileddisk: I only had 1 volume
[20:39:00] Mousey: make sure the volume group is available [which is why to use vgchange]
[20:39:00] faileddisk: so I should run vgchange -a now?
[20:39:00] Mousey: with this missing physical volume, my confidence is real low
[20:39:00] Mousey: yes
[20:40:00] faileddisk: vgchange -a is an invalid argument
[20:40:00] Mousey: vgchange --available y
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[20:41:00] faileddisk: mousey: your knowledge is more than mine, and even if wrong, I still will take it, it's my best chance.
[20:41:00] faileddisk: "0 logical volumes... "media now availible"
[20:41:00] Mousey: welp.. i guess that's our answer
[20:42:00] faileddisk: all lost?
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[20:42:00] Mousey: without -all- physical volumes present, we can ressurect the volume group, but it won't have any knowledge of the logical volumes
[20:43:00] faileddisk: the file I restored from, didn't have the vg's, but the one with the failed disk did
[20:43:00] faileddisk: the 0.vg had segment info and so on
[20:43:00] faileddisk: should I try that file?
[20:43:00] faileddisk: maybe just remove the pv for the failed disk?
[20:43:00] Mousey: save multiple copies of the *.vg file which has the LV info..
[20:43:00] faileddisk: and see if that works?
[20:43:00] Mousey: then try that, yah
[20:43:00] Mousey: but
[20:43:00] Mousey: don't expect a miracle
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[20:44:00] Mousey: once you have a backup copy of the .vg file with everything in it, pvreduce -a again, start from scratch
[20:44:00] faileddisk: hmm, how do I get back to the state where it was before I started doign the restore and all?
[20:44:00] Mousey: re pvcreate the drives
[20:44:00] Mousey: do what you did before
[20:44:00] Mousey: BUT BACK THAT .vg FILE UP FIRST
[20:44:00] faileddisk: pvreduce -a?
[20:44:00] faileddisk: I have. :)
[20:45:00] Mousey: and REMEMBER, when you pvcreate again, the drives will have all new UUIDs so you'll need to rewrite them again
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[20:45:00] Mousey: you have all the LVM-fu i can teach you now, grasshoppa..
[20:46:00] Mousey: i must go to breakfast with the missus.. i'll be around tho..
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[20:48:00] faileddisk: mousey: thank you
[20:49:00] darkfire: hrmm, anyone know the command that lists all the devices being used by a user? i've forgotton.
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[20:54:00] travolta: mythvideo plugin is reqired for mythweb ?
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[20:56:00] faileddisk: mousey: Almost got it, if you come back, let me know! :)
[20:57:00] JonK: you making progress faileddisk?
[20:57:00] faileddisk: yup
[20:57:00] JonK: sweetness
[20:57:00] JonK: what have you recovered access to?
[20:57:00] faileddisk: looks like 1/4 drives
[20:58:00] travolta: whats that thing called that lets you play nuv files on a ms windows box ?
[20:58:00] travolta: the driver
[20:58:00] JonK: travolta, what kidn of card are you using?
[20:58:00] travolta: pvr 250
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[20:58:00] JonK: rename the file .nuv --> ,mpg
[20:58:00] travolta: i remeber a website something.sourceforge.net
[20:59:00] travolta: codec to play nuv on windows
[20:59:00] xris: dsmyth.sf.net
[20:59:00] JonK: do you even need it?
[20:59:00] travolta: thanks
[20:59:00] xris: but JonK is right — if you have a pvr-250, just rename the file.
[20:59:00] JonK: i've just changed .nuv to .mpg for files from the 350/
[20:59:00] xris: better yet, take a look in contrib for something like prettymyth
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[21:00:00] xris: it'll create symlinks of your nuv files in another directory with the show/episode name. you can modify the script to use .mpg at the end instead of .nuv
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[21:00:00] JonK: sweet, I can use that to cherrypick what I want from the current .nuv files
[21:00:00] travolta: i'm trying to watch them from mythweb
[21:00:00] JonK: over what speed network?
[21:00:00] JonK: all at home?
[21:00:00] xris: then you can cron it to run every 10 minutes or so and share that directory out via samba. I do this at work with our mythbox there.
[21:01:00] travolta: 100mbit, maybe 802.11g
[21:01:00] JonK: ok
[21:01:00] darkfire: ...you have a mythbox at work?
[21:01:00] xris: darkfire: sure. what else would we use the 42" plasma for in the lunchroom?  ;)
[21:01:00] JonK: how can i add .nuv recordings to the databse?
[21:02:00] xris: JonK: look in contrib, there's a script to re-add lost recordings.
[21:02:00] JonK: after the beer induced "kernel panic"
[21:02:00] Ashlar: mythstreamtv is also nice for wasting time at work :)
[21:02:00] darkfire: xris, hire me. it doesn't matter what you guys do, i'll learn.
[21:02:00] xris: travolta: grab dsmyth, it'll set you up with what you need.
[21:02:00] JonK: i did manage to run mysqldump but would rather just start over
[21:02:00] xris: darkfire: what do you do?
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[21:03:00] xris: (we're hiring, so I'm curious)
[21:03:00] darkfire: xris, at the moment i am a college student and the "IT Guy" at a local market research firm
[21:03:00] JonK: i write for a living... would that help?
[21:03:00] darkfire: most likely not qualified for whatever it is you do, and not able to move, regardless ;)
[21:03:00] xris: JonK: probably not...
[21:03:00] xris: not able to move would be an issue.
[21:04:00] xris: qualified... plenty of low-end stuff... always need more builders.
[21:04:00] JonK: it would if he want's to watch the plasma
[21:04:00] xris: http://siliconmechanics.com/
[21:04:00] darkfire: unless you are located in knoxville by sheer random chance :-p
[21:05:00] Ashlar: hey darkfire, small world.. I used to live in k-town
[21:06:00] darkfire: went to UT?
[21:06:00] xris: yup, other side of the country.
[21:06:00] Ashlar: nah, on contract to the learning company, which was bought by mattel
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[21:10:00] darkfire: sigh. every time i do an emerge -u world, things go badly. why did i think this time it wouldnt?
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[21:13:00] faileddisk: erg, maybe it didn't work
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[21:18:00] faileddisk: mousey: when trying to use the orig media.vg file, it won't let me vgcfgrestore because it can't find the missing volume, and it won't let me just remove the info in the file and vgcfgrestore because it notices it's missing data
[21:19:00] faileddisk: mousey: is there a way to remove the bad disk from the volume, without having the volume up and running? I can't vgreduce the failed disk, without the vg being seen..
[21:21:00] travolta: does mythweb let you watch live tv ?
[21:21:00] xris: no
[21:21:00] travolta: or recordings in progress ?
[21:21:00] xris: it's not intended for watching at all.
[21:21:00] xris: only reason the links are there is that people bugged me to no end that they wanted them.
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[21:28:00] Ashlar: travolta: mythstreamtv
[21:28:00] Ashlar: http://mythstreamtv.sourceforge.net/
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[21:42:00] jasonr112: My mythbackend keeps starting up multiple mythcommflag processes for the same show
[21:42:00] jasonr112: any idea how to figure out what's up?
[21:43:00] jasonr112: (I tell it to flag commercials for a recording, it starts. Then every so often (~2–3min) another process fires off on the same recording...
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[21:44:00] jasonr112: it only started to do this after I upgraded from Mandrake 9.2 to 10.2....
[21:44:00] jasonr112: I am stumped
[21:44:00] jasonr112: all of the processes are launched by the backend
[21:45:00] jasonr112: it happens when the system wants to automatically flag a commercial, or when I tell it to do it manually...
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[21:54:00] jasonr112: scratch that
[21:54:00] jasonr112: every 5min
[21:54:00] jasonr112: on the dot another process is fired up
[21:54:00] jasonr112: until one of two things happens:
[21:54:00] jasonr112: 1) backend crashes
[21:54:00] jasonr112: 2) one of the mythcommflag apps finishes
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[22:03:00] travolta: you look in the mythtv log file?
[22:06:00] slePP: is there any way of entirely blowing away the entire OS that is hosting mythtv, reinstall another one, reinstall myth of the same version, and pick up where it left off?
[22:06:00] slePP: (not removing media)
[22:06:00] ** slePP wants to take the 3 backends, and move them all into another system with all 3 tuners.. but not lose any recordings **
[22:07:00] travolta: yea
[22:07:00] travolta: backup the database
[22:07:00] jasonr112: I have looked in the log file
[22:07:00] travolta: i think theres a .pl script in ./mythtv-version/contrib/
[22:08:00] jasonr112: some errors about "QTime::setHMS Invalid time 26:01:00.000
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[22:08:00] jasonr112: and an occasional error about "QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range"
[22:08:00] travolta: lol
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[22:08:00] travolta: when did we switch to 26 hr days?
[22:09:00] jasonr112: you're tellin me!
[22:09:00] jasonr112: I can't find it though
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[22:12:00] xlizard: urgs .. libtool: unrecognized option `--tag=CC'
[22:12:00] JonK: slepp is the media on its own partition
[22:12:00] slePP: yeh. /mythdata
[22:12:00] slePP: it's the SQL and tuner number i'm worried of, mostly
[22:13:00] JonK: check out mysqldump
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[22:13:00] JonK: to just back up everything
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[22:16:00] BigPeteB_: I have a question, if someone can spare 90 seconds.
[22:16:00] mchou: JonK: as a lawyer, mind taking a look at this thread? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=551693
[22:16:00] BigPeteB_: My power died, and it looks like the recordedmarkup table got damaged. I need to recreate it, but I don't know how to do that.
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[22:17:00] mchou: JonK: is the greenman dude correct or is the last post correct?
[22:17:00] JonK: i believe it turned out to be just a rumor
[22:17:00] JonK: but willl ook at the last two statemeents
[22:17:00] xlizard: BigPeteB_: did you get an errormessage?
[22:17:00] JonK: pete — run mysqlcheck -r mythconverg -u root -p
[22:17:00] JonK: without mythtv running
[22:17:00] slePP: JonK: mysqldump will do that much.. but i'm taking three tuners and moving them around, dropping them all into one box. i'm thinking it may lose all my recording schedules because all the tuner IDs will change from 0, 3 and 4, to like.. 5, 6, 7
[22:17:00] JonK: (the backend running)
[22:18:00] JonK: then reset your tunerid's to match
[22:18:00] JonK: the table to watch is "capturecards"
[22:18:00] slePP: k.
[22:18:00] BigPeteB_: xlizard: Well, it kept running commercial flagging jobs, but then when I tried to skip commercials it would complain that they hadn't been flagged.
[22:18:00] slePP: should be fun :>
[22:18:00] JonK: or card... may not be cards
[22:18:00] BigPeteB_: And MySQL gave me an error 145 when I tried to read the table.
[22:18:00] slePP: i think it's plural
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[22:18:00] JonK: or just run mythsetup again, dont nuke the card settings
[22:19:00] JonK: and change the /dev/videoX setting for each card
[22:19:00] JonK: to be what you want it to be once you've moved the cards around
[22:19:00] slePP: here's a perhaps FAQ.. didn't find it, though.. i have three tuners.. but it really insists on only using tuner 1 for certain shows, and tuner 2 for certain other shows, then some it'll use all 1–3.. all 3 have the same channel (29) in the case, but it won't migrate the recording to another card..
[22:19:00] BigPeteB_: JonK: I sort of already deleted the table, thinking it would just get recreated...
[22:19:00] BigPeteB_: Not a bad idea in hindsight, but...
[22:19:00] BigPeteB_: Err, not a good idea, I mean.
[22:20:00] JonK: you mean you ran drop table X?
[22:20:00] BigPeteB_: Yeah.
[22:20:00] slePP: heh
[22:20:00] mchou: bad idea!!
[22:20:00] JonK: ouch
[22:20:00] slePP: that's kind of amusing...
[22:20:00] BigPeteB_: Well, I only had like two things recorded, so it wasn't a big loss.
[22:20:00] JonK: (said in the best E.T. imitation i can do)
[22:20:00] mchou: what possesed you to do that???
[22:20:00] BigPeteB_: Well, I guessed that some program or another would see that the table was missing and recreate it.
[22:21:00] BigPeteB_: But I haven't found that program yet.
[22:21:00] xlizard: BigPeteB_: what was the name of the table?
[22:21:00] BigPeteB_: recordedmarkup.
[22:21:00] JonK: i think you may just have to start over
[22:21:00] JonK: with a fresh mythconverg
[22:21:00] mchou: ahh, recordedmarkup aint such a big deal.
[22:21:00] slePP: i thought that just did commercial flags and such
[22:22:00] xlizard: CREATE TABLE `recordedmarkup` (
[22:22:00] xlizard: `chanid` int(10) unsigned NOT NULL default '0',
[22:22:00] xlizard: `starttime` datetime NOT NULL default '0000-00–00 00:00:00',
[22:22:00] xlizard: `mark` bigint(20) NOT NULL default '0',
[22:22:00] xlizard: `offset` varchar(32) default NULL,
[22:22:00] xlizard: `type` int(11) NOT NULL default '0',
[22:22:00] xlizard: PRIMARY KEY (`chanid`,`starttime`,`mark`,`type`)
[22:22:00] xlizard: ) TYPE=MyISAM;
[22:22:00] BigPeteB_: Aha, my savior!
[22:22:00] mchou: recorded and oldrecorded are critical, though :)
[22:22:00] xlizard:
[22:22:00] xlizard: oops ... would paste an url ;)
[22:22:00] JonK: i think the statements in both of those posts is correct mchou
[22:23:00] MonMotha: jeesh, it's amazing the things I'll watch simply because they're in HD
[22:23:00] mchou: JonK: ok, you're really confusing me now.....Is the ruling "strictly procedural" or not?
[22:24:00] mchou: JonK: or was publicknowlegde.org "stretching thetruth" a bit :)
[22:24:00] jasonr112: any idea how I track down where the "QTime::setHMS Invalid time 26:01:00.000" error is coming from?
[22:24:00] BigPeteB_: xlizard: I think that should do the trick. Thanks a bunch!
[22:25:00] jasonr112: I have searched the record and recorded tables in the db...
[22:27:00] JonK: or wait.. \
[22:27:00] JonK: oh ... wait...
[22:27:00] JonK: let me look mchou
[22:29:00] JonK: ok... not merley procedural — read the first paragraph
[22:30:00] mchou: JonK: of the pdf?
[22:30:00] JonK: of the opinion and [all the things we just said" "makes it clear that the broadcast flag regulations exceed the agency’s delegated authority under the statute.
[22:30:00] JonK: yes
[22:30:00] JonK: not procedural in the sense that the FCC just didn't cross i's and dot t's
[22:30:00] JonK: they went beyond the power delegated by congress
[22:31:00] JonK: but procedural in the sense that nothing in the opinion would probably be read as saying congress couldn't delegate the power if they so wanted
[22:31:00] mchou: ahh, ok, I think the hangup (in the posts) is definition of "procedural" then.
[22:31:00] jasonr112: --ok, I have searched my entire database now... =) I can't find any reference to a "26" th hour
[22:31:00] JonK: did you use the decoder ring?
[22:32:00] mchou: JonK: hehe :)
[22:32:00] jasonr112: -- trying to locate the source of the error "QTime::setHMS Invalid time 26:01:00.000"
[22:33:00] JonK: I'd agree 26:00:00 is not a valid time, on this planet
[22:33:00] JonK: unless you're counting in base 7
[22:33:00] jasonr112: =)
[22:33:00] mchou: 26 modulo 12 is a valid time :)
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[22:33:00] JonK: in base 7 it would be 20 hours
[22:34:00] MonMotha: sute 26 is a valid hour, it's just 02:00 tomorrow
[22:34:00] mchou: MonMotha: exactly :)
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[22:35:00] JonK: or use 53 1/3 minute hours
[22:35:00] JonK: for a 27 hour clock
[22:36:00] JonK: any of this helping?
[22:36:00] jasonr112: tons. Thanks ;-)
[22:36:00] JonK: I think the statement "the court ruled on procedural grounds" is incorrect, or at least misleading
[22:36:00] jasonr112: <trying to change clock to 53.3 min hours @ 27hr days...>
[22:37:00] mchou: JonK: yeah, I agree with you there :)
[22:37:00] JonK: they ruled on the scope of the power granted to the FCC, based on the language of the statute, (among other things)
[22:37:00] Ashlar: jasonr112: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . valid;#34748
[22:37:00] JonK: that doesn't sound procedural
[22:37:00] JonK: he's right though about his observation... congress is probably free to give the fcc this authority
[22:38:00] mchou: JonK: yes, Congress DOES have the power to legislate.....:)
[22:38:00] JonK: not just anything they don't
[22:39:00] JonK: and this is a tricky area-- the legislation delegating authoirty is giving someone else the power to do their job
[22:39:00] mchou: but this is the phrase that's contentious (in the thread): From Public Knowledge,
[22:39:00] mchou: * Court Spoke to the Merits: The D.C. Circuit's broadcast flag decision was not merely "procedural." In ruling that the FCC did not have the authority to impose a broadcast flag scheme, the Court was ruling on the scheme's merits – namely, that it is so far reaching in its scope that it would permit the FCC, in the words of one judge at oral argument, to regulate "washing machines."
[22:39:00] JonK: what would prevent congress from telling the fcc to regulate washing machines, were it so inclined?
[22:39:00] JonK: cd src
[22:40:00] JonK: err...
[22:40:00] JonK: wrong window
[22:40:00] mchou: And pk's definition of "procedural" was miscontrued by Morbius/Greenman in the thread.
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[22:41:00] mchou: pk==publicknowledge.org
[22:41:00] mchou: misconstrued*
[22:42:00] JonK: :q
[22:44:00] xlizard: mmm ... plugins have to be build on client AND on server-side?
[22:44:00] jasonr112: the record table should not have any entries with start dates prior to today correct?
[22:44:00] mchou: xlizard: plugins dont need to be on server.
[22:45:00] JonK: mythweb does, no?
[22:45:00] mchou: xlizard: but need to be on client (frontend)
[22:45:00] mchou: yeah, except mythweb :)
[22:45:00] mchou: forgot about that one. (I dont use that)
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[22:46:00] xlizard: mchou: hmm ... so, for example, mythMusic can only play local files... not that once that are on the server?
[22:46:00] Ashlar: well, mythweb really isn't a plugin, since it's on the server, not the client
[22:46:00] mchou: once you use mythweb you need like about 1K of extraneous packages :)
[22:46:00] Ashlar: xlizard: NFS mount the backend's file system on the frontend
[22:46:00] mchou: xlizard: no, it can play music anywhere (via nfs)
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[22:47:00] JonK: what package do i need for kapplication.h
[22:47:00] xlizard: grr ...
[22:48:00] mchou: JonK: most likely kde-develop :0
[22:48:00] Ashlar: kdecore, iirc
[22:48:00] Ashlar: or kbelibs
[22:48:00] mchou: libkdecore4-devel
[22:48:00] mchou: (on my system)
[22:48:00] JonK: new it was one of those, i dont have kde installed , so i dont want to get freakign everying dragged along with it
[22:48:00] JonK:
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[22:50:00] Ashlar: hrmm, anyone notice that Matt Z's deb archive is gone?
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[22:51:00] darkfire: ok, i need to get a good htpc case, any thoughts?
[22:51:00] mchou: lol
[22:51:00] mchou: darkfire: $600 gets you atech :)
[22:52:00] darkfire: preferrably in the 130ish range ;)
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[22:53:00] mchou: darkfire: http://www.atechfabrication.com/HTPC.htm
[22:53:00] mchou: check it out though :)
[22:53:00] JonK: jesus-- kdelibs4-dev drags another 39 packages with it
[22:53:00] mchou: JonK: heh, I'd expected more than that :)
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[22:54:00] Ashlar: *drool*.. ahh, if I ever win the lottery :)
[22:54:00] mchou: Ashlar: I actually think the case is a bit ugly, but that;s just me :)
[22:55:00] JonK: soldham.com
[22:55:00] GreyFoxx: I love the atech cases. I'd get one in heart beat if they weren't so expensive
[22:55:00] Ashlar: well, if I won the lottery, I'd buy enough gear to make a machine shop and startiwth that case and a metal mill ;)
[22:55:00] mchou: Ashlar: exactly! :)
[22:56:00] mchou: Ashlar: and a cnc mill :)
[22:56:00] mchou: I wouldnt "start" with that case though :)
[22:56:00] Ashlar: oooh, lol, it better be the powerball then
[22:56:00] mchou: just design my own :)
[22:57:00] Ashlar: well, I'd start with their case for the heatsinks, etc.. build it from the inside outward
[22:58:00] Ashlar: and they've done all the measuring for slot loading drives, LCDs, etc etc.. heh
[22:58:00] JonK: how can i clear packages out of dselect that i dont want to install (each time it is now asking about another 30 kde packages)
[22:58:00] mchou: Ashlar: if you enroll at the local community colledge you get all that stuff :)
[22:58:00] mchou: college*
[22:58:00] mchou: no powerball necessary :)
[22:58:00] Ashlar: true.. I really should look into it..
[22:58:00] Ashlar: gotta finish the current degree first, tho :)
[23:00:00] mchou: Ashlar: what degree is that?
[23:00:00] Ashlar: work's paying for e to do UoP online.. getting a BS in IT (hey, it's free)
[23:01:00] mchou: UoP?? University of Ohoenix?
[23:01:00] mchou: Phoenix*
[23:01:00] Ashlar: phoenix, yah
[23:01:00] mchou: lol, diploma mill. no wonder it's "free"
[23:01:00] jasonr112: Ashlar – have an instructor named Joe Roberts?
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[23:02:00] Ashlar: yah.. can't complain tho.. it's a snore most of the time
[23:02:00] Ashlar: jasonr112: nope, not so far
[23:02:00] Ashlar: mchou: and I had like 120 creidts from various other schools that were about to become too old to transfer
[23:03:00] mchou: hmm, yeah.
[23:05:00] mchou: darkfire: what size case were you looking for?
[23:05:00] mchou: like atx, matx, etc.
[23:05:00] darkfire: something resembling a dvd player, either atx or matx
[23:05:00] Ashlar: right now I'm sleeping through a 'database concepts' class.. and I used to be a dba. hehe
[23:06:00] mchou: darkfire: just get a pundit and get it over with :)
[23:06:00] darkfire: where are these 'pundits' ?
[23:06:00] mchou: in your price range and it comes with mobo! :)
[23:06:00] darkfire: sounds good so far.
[23:07:00] mchou: darkfire: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856110024
[23:07:00] mchou: dont get that particular one though....ATI video, puke!
[23:07:00] mchou: there are 3 versions out there.
[23:09:00] mchou: I think one of them has nvidia video.
[23:09:00] jasonr112: -- more fun... I get the "QTime::setHMS Invalid time 26:01:00.000" error even when I move around in the GUI
[23:09:00] jasonr112: ashlar – why not test out of the class?
[23:10:00] Ashlar: jasonr112: did you check your 'record' table? (that gossamer thread I posted mentions it)
[23:10:00] jasonr112: (I am in the system status screen...) I move onto "Queue Status" and I get the error
[23:10:00] jasonr112: ashlar – yep. I combed through it
[23:10:00] Ashlar: jasonr112: there's no CLEPP'ing for core curriculum classes.. I have made umm.. arrangements with some instructors
[23:10:00] darkfire: mchou, kinda ugly thought
[23:10:00] darkfire: though
[23:11:00] mchou: darkfire: bah, you're too choosy for $130 :)
[23:11:00] Ashlar: jasonr112: who not make a dump of that table, delete all the recording schedules, and if it still happens, dump em back in
[23:11:00] darkfire: heh, an excellent counterpoint
[23:12:00] jasonr112: ashlar – already did that ;-)
[23:12:00] Ashlar: ahh.. the most common cause of that is opening up the table in something like webmin or phpmyadmin
[23:12:00] Ashlar: then messing with data
[23:12:00] mchou: darkfire: chutt is buying this one: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article249-page1.html
[23:13:00] Ashlar: you might want to look at oldrecorded, recorded, program (that one's huge, tho, so beware)
[23:13:00] mchou: but that's once monstrous looking one, imho.
[23:13:00] mchou: one*
[23:13:00] jasonr112: ashlar – ok
[23:13:00] darkfire: wow, that does look elegant though
[23:13:00] darkfire: i'd feel like my PC was looking down at me
[23:14:00] Ashlar: jasonr112: I've had data come from zap2it with bad times / dates
[23:14:00] darkfire: mchou, pundit or antec aria, which would you say?
[23:15:00] JonK: i've been wondering about cooling... do i need to worry about the tuner cards, they seem to get awfully hot
[23:15:00] mchou: dunno, depends on what you want :)
[23:15:00] mchou: JonK: which tuner cards?
[23:15:00] jasonr112: ashlar – is there a way to monitor the sql calls that mythbackend makes in realtime?
[23:15:00] JonK: hauppage + hd3000
[23:16:00] Ashlar: jasonr112: I seem to recall that.. try mythfrontend --help and check out the -v options.. same with mythbackend
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[23:16:00] mchou: happauge 150 isnt too hot. 250 was the hottest component in my PC (w/exception of CPU)
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[23:17:00] jasonr112: ashlar – I have all of the mythbackend verbose stuff on
[23:17:00] JonK: 1x350 2x500 1xhd3000
[23:17:00] jasonr112: ashlar – this will have to wait.. ;=)
[23:17:00] Ashlar: jasonr112: ahh, I'm a dumbass.. check the mysql.log :)
[23:17:00] jasonr112: ashlar – thanks for your help, but my baby wants to watch "dora the explorer"
[23:17:00] Ashlar: lol, k
[23:17:00] jasonr112: ashlar – not even 2 yet and she picks up the wireless keyboard and says DORA!
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[23:18:00] jasonr112: she knows about the wireless kybd ;-)
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[23:18:00] jasonr112: thanks – see ya'll later
[23:18:00] Ashlar: lol!!
[23:18:00] Ashlar: ttyl
[23:18:00] monsoon: I need to decide to either buy an athlon xp 2400+ thuroughbred for my desktop to replace my duron 1.0 ghz, and wait a month to buy a pvr250, or just keep the 1.0ghz and buy the pvr. This is my only desktop which I use really only for mythtv stuff, I use my laptop (a 64athlon) for everything else.
[23:18:00] Saturn5: monsoon, well end result is to ge tthe pvr 250 right
[23:18:00] Saturn5: so get right on it
[23:18:00] JonK: pvr250
[23:18:00] Saturn5: and if you need horse power you can then get anything else youw ant
[23:19:00] JonK: if all you're doing is mythtv --
[23:19:00] darkfire: monsoon, i'd say pvr500, myself :-p
[23:19:00] mchou: monsoon: there is no need to upgrade CPU if you get HW encoder.
[23:19:00] monsoon: I just heard theres a pvr 150 out, thats cheaper but also hardware
[23:19:00] monsoon: mchou: ok cool thx
[23:19:00] darkfire: yeah, pvr's are incredibly light on the cpu
[23:20:00] mchou: monsoon: on the other hand, if hdtv is in your future.....:)
[23:21:00] mchou: a CPU upgrade will be needed :)
[23:21:00] mchou: and you need more beef than xp2400+ :)
[23:21:00] monsoon: well if the pvr-150 is really only 60bucks, I might be able to squeek by with a pvr-150 + an xp 2400+
[23:22:00] monsoon: orrr
[23:22:00] darkfire: ...do barebones come with CPUs? for the life of me, i can't tell
[23:22:00] mchou: monsoon: where you live?
[23:22:00] JonK: the cheapr 150... is that the roslyn?
[23:22:00] monsoon: mchou: us-arizona
[23:22:00] mchou: darkfire: depends. most dont include CPU.
[23:22:00] monsoon: wow 58 bucks not bad
[23:23:00] mchou: JonK: naw. rosalyn is "older"
[23:23:00] mchou: JonK: oops, scratch that :)
[23:23:00] mchou: monsoon: how is your HDTV reception over there?
[23:24:00] monsoon: mchou: actually I dont use it at all right now so hdtv really isnt an issue for now... and wont be for at least a year (Im moving soon)
[23:24:00] JonK: christ all i wanted was mythmusic.... what i got was kde
[23:25:00] mchou: monsoon: if you get hdtv you wont need HW encoder :)
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[23:25:00] JonK: all hail kubuntu!
[23:25:00] JonK: for i will creep upon to your desktop
[23:25:00] monsoon: mchou: in any case hdtv is reaaaally not in my budget for a while (moves cost a lot of money)
[23:25:00] mchou: monsoon: and you wont be able to stand analog tv again :)
[23:26:00] tim: JonK, you got mythTV runnin on kubuntu?
[23:26:00] JonK: ni
[23:26:00] JonK: no
[23:26:00] mchou: monsoon: get a company to pay for the move :)
[23:26:00] tim: oh...;(
[23:26:00] JonK: but i just downloaded half of kde just to get kapplication.h
[23:26:00] monsoon: hehe I wish :)
[23:26:00] JonK: y
[23:26:00] monsoon: anyone know if the pvr-150 is supported ?
[23:26:00] tim: monsoon, kinda :)
[23:26:00] mchou: I have 2.
[23:27:00] mchou: so it's supported :)
[23:27:00] tim: its being worked on.....works well from what i hear
[23:27:00] monsoon: mchou: you have two 150's ?
[23:27:00] mchou: yup.
[23:27:00] mchou: $60 after rebates at circuit city.
[23:27:00] monsoon: hell yah! :)
[23:27:00] JonK:
[23:27:00] mchou: one to my addr, another to f/f addr :)
[23:27:00] tim: whoa....I'm going to circuit city tommorrow
[23:28:00] Saturn5: is there anyway to get mythtv to work with digital tv ?
[23:28:00] tim: mchou, remote??
[23:28:00] mchou: retail version comes with irblaster and remote.
[23:28:00] monsoon: ah rebate ? Ill look online I hate rebates
[23:28:00] mchou: mce version does not.
[23:28:00] monsoon: unless theyre instant
[23:28:00] mchou: rebate showed up for me in 3 weeks.
[23:29:00] mchou: mce version is what you find mostly online. (OEM)
[23:30:00] mchou: I think the retail version is a MUCH better deal if you can find it for $60.
[23:31:00] mchou: Saturn5: yeah, get a hd3k or air2pc card.
[23:31:00] slide23_: whats the first serial port? /dev/what?
[23:31:00] mchou: slide23_: ttyS0
[23:31:00] Ashlar: ttySx
[23:31:00] slide23_: k
[23:31:00] Ashlar: mchou: you know if the blaster on the 150 is supported by the ivtv driver yet?
[23:32:00] slide23_: arg i cant get this damn remote to work :(
[23:32:00] mchou: the blaster is not yet supported, ttbmk
[23:32:00] mchou: but the receiver is :)
[23:32:00] Ashlar: *nod*.. someone was in here last week asking about the blaster.. was just curious myself
[23:32:00] mchou: just be a matter of time 4 blaster gets supported. :)
[23:32:00] monsoon: would it be a waste to get the xp 2400 since Im getting a hw card?
[23:32:00] Ashlar: yupyup
[23:33:00] mchou: it would be a waste and be more noise.
[23:33:00] mchou: I'm running P2 450 :)
[23:33:00] mchou: can hear a pin drop :)
[23:34:00] monsoon: wow450
[23:34:00] monsoon: thing is its also my only desktop...
[23:34:00] mchou: yeah, with two isa slots (remember those) inside :)
[23:34:00] monsoon: hehe
[23:34:00] Saturn5: what is a Air2PC card ?
[23:34:00] JonK: hdtv card
[23:34:00] briand: P2 450?? wowowow! what a screamer!
[23:34:00] ** briand ducks **
[23:35:00] Ashlar: heck, my backend used to be a 1ghz C3 from fry's.. $99 :)
[23:35:00] Saturn5: i know the hd3k does over the air what is the difference between the two
[23:35:00] mchou: briand: the point is how quiet it is with P2 :)
[23:35:00] mchou: C3's are a PITA.
[23:35:00] Saturn5: C3 ?
[23:35:00] briand: Ashlar: my backend/frontend is 2G celeron 109 from egghead
[23:35:00] mchou: non-standard kernel.
[23:35:00] JonK: /me fears he has too much heat and will need more fans, thus more noise
[23:35:00] briand: mchou: ahh.  :)
[23:35:00] JonK: carp
[23:35:00] tim: what is an irblaster??
[23:36:00] briand: mchou: oh, and g'afternoon. :)
[23:36:00] JonK: a device to send ir signals to a cable box
[23:36:00] mchou: briand: heh
[23:36:00] Ashlar: tim: ir emitting dongle to change the channel on a cable or satellite box
[23:36:00] xris: Saturn5: they both do OTA.. air2pc driver situation is less "messy" — though pchdtv has gooten better in the recent months.
[23:36:00] xris: with some work, they can both do clear (unencrypted) digal cable, too (QAM)
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[23:37:00] JonK: with 2.6.12 kernels dvb support can be compiled in
[23:37:00] briand: well, more precisely, it's a device to send IR signals. the "to a cable box" is superflous, misleading, and incorrect. ;)
[23:37:00] larrydag: hi fellow user
[23:37:00] laga: it's a shame that a company which makes hardware exclusively for linux provides bad drivers
[23:37:00] tim: Ashlar, so with the remote (which is supported via lirc, iirc) won't be able to change the channel?
[23:37:00] Ashlar: mchou: yah, the C3 was a pain.. but as a backend with 2 pvr-250s, it did okay.. just god forbid I tried to transcode anything.. 4x the recording time to transcode :)
[23:37:00] xris: laga: yeah, no kidding.
[23:37:00] JonK: had to build the 2.6.12 kernel, but did not have to compiel anyting for the hd3000
[23:37:00] slide23_: so, who wants to help me get my remote working? ;)
[23:37:00] briand: JonK: how did it go with the kernel diet yesterday?
[23:37:00] larrydag: i have a functionality question. Is there a way to mark your favorite channels and setup the program guide to look at only the favorite channels?
[23:38:00] JonK: it's compiled and runnign now
[23:38:00] laga: xris: i'm glad that i can't receive HDTV :/)
[23:38:00] Saturn5: i want to get direct tv hdtv to work
[23:38:00] JonK: had to manually get mkinitrd to do my bidding
[23:38:00] briand: cool deal... and how much mem does it take?
[23:38:00] Ashlar: tim: a universal would, but the hauppauge one only wors with the hauppauge dongle.. plust, the blaster works when you're not there to change the channel for recordings
[23:38:00] Saturn5: JonK, sorry in SuSe it is automaic
[23:38:00] JonK: i;ve rebuilt mythtv
[23:38:00] JonK: and the plugins are compiling now
[23:38:00] JonK: in suse what is automatic?
[23:39:00] briand: heartache
[23:39:00] briand: hahahaha
[23:39:00] JonK: pain?
[23:39:00] larrydag: Is there a way to mark your favorite channels and setup the program guide to view only the favorite channels?
[23:39:00] xris: laga: don't you get dvb-t?
[23:39:00] tim: Ashlar, so essentially the hauppage remote for the pvr-150 is useless until the blaster is supported? (sry if these are dumb questions)
[23:39:00] briand: larrydag: two different things.
[23:39:00] JonK: go into mythsetp and mark the channels you dont want to see as not visible
[23:39:00] briand: larrydag: yes, you can have the program guide omit downloading/showing whatever channels
[23:40:00] briand: larrydag: there's also a 'favorite channels' list that you can cycle thru with your remote
[23:40:00] Ashlar: larrydag: yes.. unmark the channels you don't want to see as 'visible'
[23:40:00] briand: larrydag: ...such as on a particularly good weekend of college football. ;)
[23:40:00] larrydag: briand: i don't want to omit channels i just want to look at favorite channels
[23:40:00] Ashlar: tim: no, you could use the remote in conjunction with the receiver on the 150 to navigate menus, etc
[23:40:00] larrydag: briand: yes that would be a good situation
[23:40:00] briand: larrydag: ah, so you want a hybrid of those two features... a 'favorites' type of toggle for the channel guide
[23:41:00] larrydag: briand: yes. you know how in the Blue theme they have the search lists... instead of a movie list maybe there could be a favorites list
[23:42:00] briand: hmm.. seems simple enough. add a column to the 'channels' table, modify the guide coding to respect it.
[23:42:00] tim: Ashlar, gotcha what if we don't have a cable "box" I'm at a college dorm, the cable comes outa the wall and I plan on plugging it right into the back of my computer and watching TV on my comp (lol actually bigger than my TV atm) would the remote be able to change the channels since the blaster has no box to blast the IR signal?
[23:42:00] larrydag: briand: thats the functionality i was thinking of
[23:42:00] darkfire: tim, yep
[23:42:00] Ashlar: yup
[23:42:00] darkfire: tim, you only need a blaster if you have a cable box
[23:42:00] tim: :)
[23:42:00] briand: then, perhaps, add some programming to your .lirc file so that you could toggle it on/off with the remote
[23:42:00] briand: i'm almost intrigued enough to go code that...
[23:43:00] tim: I'm a happy man...thanks for all ur help guys
[23:43:00] larrydag: briand: i would suspect it more as a module in your theme
[23:43:00] briand: nah
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[23:43:00] larrydag: briand: that way it would only be highlight and click
[23:44:00] larrydag: briand: of course you would have to have a setup functionality to mark your favorite channels
[23:44:00] briand: oh, so now you want TWO remote buttons for it... one to add/delete channels to the list, and one to enable/disable the feature in the guide presentation
[23:44:00] briand: okay, well since i've laid all the groundwork here, make sure they spell my name right if they get to it before I do
[23:45:00] briand: b-r-i-a-n-d
[23:45:00] briand: ;)
[23:45:00] briand: j/j
[23:45:00] larrydag: briand: not really.. whichever method would work best. i'll do that!
[23:45:00] monsoon: oh thats too bad pvr-150 doesnt have a remote
[23:45:00] mchou: monsoon: huh??
[23:45:00] monsoon: wha?
[23:45:00] larrydag: briand: what kind of coding would have to be done. i looked up how to modify themes for myth but i think I was going about it wrong
[23:45:00] darkfire: does mythtv use a lot of ram? 512m should be enough to run a myth-box, right?
[23:45:00] mchou: pvr 150 retail comes with remote and irblaster.
[23:46:00] mchou: darkfire: yeah, that's enough.
[23:46:00] monsoon: really? hmm newegg says no remote
[23:46:00] larrydag: darkfire: mine has 386mb
[23:46:00] JonK: dark... docs indicate 256 is plenty, and even posits that beyond 256 wont really give you much performance enhancemnet
[23:46:00] larrydag: darkfire: 512mb should be plenty
[23:46:00] briand: well, to make it persistent across reboots, power outages, etc... i would recommend adding a column to the sql table that houses the channels, appropriately called 'channels'
[23:46:00] briand: (or was it 'channel' ?) anyway...
[23:46:00] mchou: monsoon: that's the pvr-150MCE (OEM version, non retail)
[23:46:00] monsoon: ohh I see
[23:47:00] briand: then just modify the guide code to recognize that new column and act appropriately
[23:47:00] larrydag: briand: yes, i would think an additional record for channels that would indicate it was a favorite
[23:47:00] briand: it's really not more than a 5-minute programming hack
[23:47:00] larrydag: briand: 5 minutes for you. 5 hours for a guy like me.
[23:47:00] briand: pshaw
[23:48:00] briand: oh, wait a minute...
[23:48:00] darkfire: briand, i'll have to rush to do it, and release the 'darkfire favorite menu' patch :-p
[23:48:00] briand: yeah, strike that. i'll take the praise. thanks.  ;)
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[23:48:00] briand: darkfire: yeah, but then you'll send me a percentage of your reaped millions, right?
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[23:49:00] darkfire: heh, you could have all the money i'd make off of it, if ya want
[23:49:00] larrydag: briand: where is the guide code located?
[23:49:00] briand: darkfire: heheh.. all of it? why not double it, and make it attractive?
[23:50:00] briand: larrydag: i dunno.. i haven't looked at the source.
[23:50:00] briand: yet.
[23:50:00] larrydag: briand: i'm a very amatuer coder myself. i can read a tutorial with the best of them
[23:50:00] larrydag: :)
[23:50:00] briand: well, make a backup before you start and have some fun with it... that's how you learn
[23:50:00] ** briand has been coding for 20+ years **
[23:51:00] larrydag: * larrydag has been coding for 20 minutes
[23:51:00] ** darkfire has barely been living for 20+ years. **
[23:51:00] larrydag: hehe. i don't even know the code to give an emote..
[23:52:00] darkfire: /me ;)
[23:52:00] ** larrydag flagarant testing here.. go about your business **
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[23:53:00] larrydag: well i have to get going. hey briand, have that done for me by tomorrow :) i give you permission to use darkfire as a resource.  :)
[23:53:00] larrydag: j/k
[23:53:00] larrydag: i seriously have to get going. i'll be back maybe later tonight
[23:54:00] monsoon: mchou: wow I guess the circuit city deal is really the best right now
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