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Thursday, June 16th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] jonK: that's becuase he was tunred in by his brother, after his brother figured it out
[00:00:00] Majestic12: they caught the Unibomber thru his library records?
[00:00:00] mchou: jonK: nah, his brother only "confirmed" it.
[00:00:00] mchou: Majestic12: yup.
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[00:01:00] jonK: not according to wikipedia,
[00:01:00] mchou: lol, wikipedia is not the most reliable of resources :)
[00:01:00] jonK: no mention of the word "library"
[00:01:00] jonK: i know, but it's all i have on short notice
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[00:01:00] kormoc: I do beleive I remember it as jonK recalls
[00:01:00] Majestic12: I wonder how they knew which library to check
[00:01:00] kormoc: they used the libarys records to get a huge list of suspects
[00:01:00] kormoc: and he was one of them
[00:02:00] kormoc: but his bro turned him in long before they got around to tlaking to most of the peopel on the list
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[00:02:00] kormoc: iirc, that is.
[00:02:00] jonK: and may have never identifed him from the list as being "the one"
[00:03:00] jonK: without the evidence from his brother, when you say he only "confirmed it" it sounds like they already thought/believed it was him
[00:03:00] mchou: jonK: true enough. But it did narrow down the field considerably.
[00:03:00] jonK: they had a large list and he happened to be on it, BFD
[00:03:00] Esotericisms: what does status "T" mean in the Scheduled Recordings
[00:03:00] jonK: good god, i hate to think of all the lists I'm on
[00:03:00] jonK: me and my agitatin' ways and all
[00:04:00] Esotericisms: what does status "T" mean in the Scheduled Recordings
[00:04:00] jonK: coockie
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[00:04:00] jonK: coookie
[00:04:00] bomba: Esotericisms: ask one more time
[00:04:00] jonK: T is for cookie
[00:04:00] jonK: err wait that's not right
[00:04:00] Esotericisms: yeah that can't be right
[00:04:00] GeckoFiend: Time confilct
[00:04:00] jonK: it's still good enough for me though
[00:04:00] GeckoFiend: I think
[00:04:00] Esotericisms: C is for conflict
[00:05:00] jonK: no C HAS to be for cookie
[00:05:00] Esotericisms: what is cookie?
[00:05:00] kormoc: a yummy snack
[00:05:00] zacs: Esotericisms: a tasty treat
[00:05:00] kormoc: c is for cookie, and that's good enough for me!
[00:05:00] jonK: unfortunately now, its a "sometimes food"
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[00:05:00] jonK: all those fat kids
[00:06:00] jonK: he's had to reform
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[00:06:00] zacs: i love fat kids... i can always beat them to the cookies
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[00:06:00] kormoc: the cookie tree is now a fruit, thank you very much.
[00:06:00] jonK: T= transcode?
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[00:08:00] mchou: jonK: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4676710
[00:09:00] jonK: I don't have any T's in my list
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[00:13:00] monkeyBox: Does anyone here use minimyth (linpvr.org) ?
[00:16:00] rtsai: Esotericisms: I think it means you've reached the configured Total maximum number of episodes to record for that title.
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[00:27:00] jonK: exit
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[00:44:00] Scuzzle: Hi folks. Anyone haev any experience with using mythtranscode with files created from a DVB card?
[00:45:00] Agrajag-: yep
[00:47:00] Scuzzle: When I try to run it on any recording it exits telling me that "Only MP2 audio is currently supported", just after listing two audio tracks as "Audio: mp2"
[00:47:00] Scuzzle: The actual error being "mythtranscode: mpeg2trans.cpp:375: uint32_t MPEG2trans::process_mp2_audio(AVPacket*): Assertion `0' failed."
[00:48:00] Agrajag-: hmm no idea, i dont get that kind of problem.. i guess your audio isn't really mp2
[00:48:00] Scuzzle: I guess... :o
[00:48:00] Scuzzle: It's any UK DVB-T transmission I've tried so far.
[00:49:00] iggy: update mythtranscode
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[00:50:00] Scuzzle: I'm currently using the Debian packages from dijkstra.csh.rit.edu . WOuld you suggest getting the CVS and compiling myself? The poackages seem pretty new.
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[00:51:00] Scuzzle: All dated 11-June
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[00:54:00] mrproper_: Scuzzle: the phrase 'if it aint broke dont fix it' comes to mind
[00:55:00] Scuzzle: mrproper_: You joined just after I mentioned what was broke. :) . mythtranscode and UK DVB-T recording.
[00:57:00] Scuzzle: But I'm very new to this, so it could be something I'm dojng wrong...
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[01:20:00] mrproper_: Scuzzle: whats the error your getting when you try and transcode?
[01:20:00] Scuzzle: mrproper_: "mythtranscode: mpeg2trans.cpp:375: uint32_t MPEG2trans::process_mp2_audio(AVPacket*): Assertion `0' failed."
[01:21:00] Scuzzle: Just before that it says "Only MP2 audio is currently supported", although it does list the tracks as "Audio: mp2"
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[01:22:00] mrproper_: Scuzzle: is this calling mythtranscode manually or using transcode through the frontend?
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[01:23:00] Scuzzle: Calling it manually, through the frontend doesn't work either, but I'd need to verify if it was the same error or not.
[01:24:00] Scuzzle: I tried a few different command lines on mythtranscode, but none made a difference. Even a line that just specifies the input file gives the same error.
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[01:35:00] mrproper_: scuzzle: go into the front end then start playing a previously recorded file then hit 'x' (that will star the transcode for that recording)
[01:35:00] mrproper_: Scuzzle: check your /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log for errors
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[01:36:00] Scuzzle: Ok, will give that a go... Using an X-Box with no keyboard as the frontend but will try to find an equivalent to pressing 'X'.
[01:36:00] Scuzzle: Will have to head off now as it's 1:30am or so. Thanks for the suggestion, and hope to speak to you again.
[01:36:00] mrproper_: np
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[01:50:00] JohnnyQuest: hello!
[01:51:00] rjune: HI!
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[02:02:00] CanadaBoy: anyone?
[02:02:00] Agrajag-: ... what?
[02:03:00] Agrajag-: nice question
[02:03:00] CanadaBoy: lol
[02:03:00] CanadaBoy: an somone point me at a log so i can see why my mount -a won't mount a smbfs shar in /etc/fstab
[02:03:00] JohnnyQuest: my errror is: Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver. Device: default can't be opened for playback (Invalid argument) The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
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[02:05:00] McGiwer: hi
[02:06:00] McGiwer: i have a problem with dual head on Linux
[02:06:00] McGiwer: i've configured my tv-out on my laptop with Intel Extreme Graphics 2 (chipset 855GME) and i want to get the same display on tv and laptop's lcd
[02:06:00] McGiwer: with this config file: http://republika.pl/mcgiwer/xorg.conf
[02:07:00] McGiwer: i have the same display, but on tv i have only part of the lcd's display -> it looks like resulution conflict
[02:07:00] McGiwer: does anybody know what should i do?
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[02:08:00] rjune: xris
[02:09:00] McGiwer: is it possible to do it via xorg.conf ?
[02:09:00] rtsai: your TV and laptop have different resolutions
[02:10:00] McGiwer: i guess so ;>
[02:10:00] McGiwer: a
[02:10:00] rtsai: i mean, if you configure your laptop to be 640x480, then I think you'll get what you want (same thing on both laptop and tv)
[02:10:00] rtsai: but I'm not an expert.
[02:10:00] McGiwer: yes, yes, i thought so
[02:11:00] McGiwer: but then i can't display a whole screen :>
[02:11:00] McGiwer: only a part
[02:11:00] McGiwer: rtsai so what can i do?
[02:13:00] rtsai: i dunno. i'm not an expert. But I have definitely seen people do fancy things with laptop + external displays.
[02:14:00] rtsai: this is probably not the best channel for those issues.
[02:14:00] McGiwer: ok
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[02:19:00] ShockValue: this sucks.. i got a new remote with my directv reciever that i really like, but i cant get my hauppauge IR reciever to see it hardly at all
[02:21:00] gnarface: ShockValue: are you doing raw-mode recording of the remote's files?
[02:21:00] gnarface: er, remotes codes?
[02:22:00] ShockValue: no, just regular
[02:22:00] ShockValue: do you think raw would help?
[02:22:00] gnarface: where did you find the remote profile?
[02:22:00] ShockValue: irrecord
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[02:22:00] gnarface: oh, so you are recording the remote codes
[02:22:00] gnarface: that means raw mode i think
[02:22:00] ShockValue: yeah.. thats where it wont see anything
[02:22:00] gnarface: hmm.
[02:23:00] gnarface: how far away from the reciever is it?
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[02:23:00] ShockValue: if i use my old remote it sees stuff fine. but if i point the new remote at it, nothing happens
[02:23:00] ShockValue: well.. i can get "some" things to happen if i program the new remote as certain TV's etc (its one that you use codes to program)
[02:23:00] gnarface: well, you know you have to have a seperate set of codes in your /etc/lircd.conf for every remote you use right?
[02:23:00] ShockValue: yeah
[02:23:00] ShockValue: im trying ot make a new one
[02:23:00] gnarface: with irrecord
[02:23:00] gnarface: right
[02:24:00] gnarface: ok
[02:24:00] gnarface: a couple tips
[02:24:00] gnarface: in recording mode,
[02:24:00] gnarface: using irrecord
[02:24:00] gnarface: make sure your remote is like, no more than an inch away from your ir reciever
[02:24:00] ShockValue: problem is, if i use the default "program", irrecord doesnt seem to see it.... if i code it as a TV or whatever, a couple of the buttons work, but 90% do nothing
[02:24:00] gnarface: huh?
[02:25:00] gnarface: you just lost me
[02:25:00] gnarface: that sentence made no sense
[02:25:00] gnarface: at all
[02:25:00] gnarface: i thought we were talking about irrecord here
[02:25:00] ShockValue: we are
[02:25:00] gnarface: so you type irrecod
[02:25:00] CanadaBoy: anyone know if i can setup my mythtv box to trancode to xvid?
[02:25:00] sphing: anyone explain why prebuffering pause are giving me problems on recorded stuff but _not_ live tv?
[02:25:00] Esotericisms: ok, so in mythweb, schedule recordings, the priority status box, I know what "C" means and "E", but what does "T" stand for?
[02:26:00] ShockValue: ok, i type #irrecord -d /dev/lirc/0 lircd.conf
[02:26:00] gnarface: ShockValue: so you type irrecord and it asks you to start punching buttons right?
[02:26:00] ShockValue: yeah, it says "hold down a random key"... so i do.. and nothing happens.
[02:26:00] ShockValue: but if i use my old remote, the litle "........" start going
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[02:26:00] gnarface: ShockValue: how far away are you holding the remote from the IR reciever?
[02:26:00] ShockValue: ~3 feet
[02:26:00] Esotericisms: anyone?
[02:26:00] gnarface: no no no
[02:27:00] gnarface: ShockValue: no more than an inch
[02:27:00] ShockValue: ok, let me go try that.. BRB :)
[02:27:00] gnarface: ShockValue: and try to turn off the lights in your house
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[02:27:00] gnarface: ShockValue: WAIT
[02:27:00] ShockValue: k
[02:27:00] Esotericisms: ok, so in mythweb, schedule recordings, the priority status box, I know what "C" means and "E", but what does "T" stand for?
[02:27:00] ShockValue: well, its daylight with no lights on, so that wont help >:)
[02:27:00] gnarface: ShockValue: there's more. keep it an inch away from the reciever, turn off lights if you can, and try to keep the remote and the reciever very still while pressing buttons.
[02:27:00] sphing: Esotericisms: if nobody answered the first time, its cause we dont know asking the question a minute later isnt going to help
[02:28:00] ** ShockValue nods **
[02:28:00] gnarface: ShockValue: if most of the buttons don't do anything try to primarily use buttons that DO. this first stage is just seeking a constant code length. with directv remotes i had better luck with the nubmer keys at this first stage
[02:28:00] McGiwer: heh
[02:28:00] McGiwer: bye
[02:28:00] ShockValue: d10–100 by chance? :)
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[02:29:00] gnarface: ?
[02:29:00] ShockValue: the directtv receiver (unlabeled remote) that i have :)
[02:30:00] ShockValue: ok, gonna go try again
[02:30:00] sphing: anyone know why my prebuffer wait keeps timing out?
[02:32:00] rtsai: Esotericisms: look at mythweb/themes/Default/scheduled_recordings.php . It has all the character codes. 'T' is "too many recordings" (e.g., will not be recorded)
[02:33:00] gnarface: ShockValue: this is that rounded remote right?
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[02:34:00] ShockValue: gnarface: no luck.. no gap detected
[02:34:00] ShockValue: white on top, black on the bottom.. kinda rounded yeah
[02:34:00] Esotericisms: ah .. I got a question then ... too many recordings of what?
[02:34:00] JohnnyQuest: my errror is: Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver. Device: default can't be opened for playback (Invalid argument) The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[02:34:00] gnarface: hmm. i'm not 100% sure that IR reciever is good for non-hauppage remotes, but here try this. i'm gonna put *my* lircd.conf in pastebin.
[02:34:00] Esotericisms: I have auto expire turned on all my show recordings and I have them limited to 4 or less
[02:34:00] JohnnyQuest: yea it is good for non hauppauge remotes
[02:34:00] JohnnyQuest: theres a tutorial for it
[02:34:00] akaias: im trying to get myth running but with a remote front end or on the mythbox itself the frontend cant connect to the master server. i have set the ip to my internal network ip of the myth machine and mythbackend service is started but the frontend just wont connect. any ideas?
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[02:35:00] ShockValue: gnarface: it works OK with my marantz RC18, but i like this new remote better
[02:35:00] rtsai: then it means it won't record the 5th show (you don't have the "overwrite old recordings with new recordings" option turned on for that schedule)
[02:35:00] JohnnyQuest: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/remotes.php
[02:35:00] gnarface: ShockValue: if its the same as my directv remote then the codes should be the same too. try adding this to your lircd.conf http://pastebin.com/300074
[02:35:00] JohnnyQuest: that will show you how to do remotes taht arnt the hauppauge
[02:36:00] Esotericisms: rtsai, what makes it "old"?
[02:36:00] ShockValue: aha!
[02:36:00] ShockValue: perhaps the thing isnt using the rc-5 signal
[02:36:00] ShockValue: let me try and choose something that does..
[02:37:00] JohnnyQuest: shockvalue, chcek out that link i posted
[02:37:00] JohnnyQuest: it might help you
[02:37:00] ShockValue: yep yep, checking both
[02:37:00] JohnnyQuest: anyone have any ideas about my soundcard driver issue?
[02:37:00] JohnnyQuest: my errror is: Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver. Device: default can't be opened for playback (Invalid argument) The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[02:38:00] sphing: JohnnyQuest: can you play sound outside myth?
[02:38:00] JohnnyQuest: my aim makes sound
[02:38:00] JohnnyQuest: ig et that error when i log on
[02:38:00] JohnnyQuest: myth gets sound
[02:38:00] ShockValue: JohnnyQuest: is arts or soemthing running already?
[02:38:00] JohnnyQuest: mplayer doesnt
[02:38:00] JohnnyQuest: that was an arts error
[02:38:00] JohnnyQuest: it came from arts
[02:38:00] JohnnyQuest: so i guess its running..
[02:38:00] ShockValue: kill arts then try mythtv
[02:39:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[02:39:00] JohnnyQuest: how do i kill programs in fc3?
[02:39:00] Esotericisms: rtsai, what makes it "old"?
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[02:39:00] ShockValue: arts takes over the soundcard and keeps other things from using them if they dont output to arts
[02:39:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
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[02:40:00] dawgma: Problem, Ran out of disk space and had to delete a recording. Now I cannot remove the recording off the program list.
[02:40:00] dawgma: any help?
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[02:41:00] Agrajag-: what version are you using?
[02:41:00] Agrajag-: you should be able to still delete it
[02:41:00] rtsai: Esotericisms: in mythweb, it is called the "Record new and expire old" checkbox. If the box is checked, then when you hit the episode limit, the earliest recording is deleted to make room for the new one. If the checkbox is clear, then myth just stops recording that show.
[02:42:00] Esotericisms: yeah but what makes a episode expire on its own?
[02:42:00] rtsai: umm, auto-expire?
[02:42:00] rtsai: have you read *anything*?
[02:42:00] Chris_McTire: I'm using ivtv-fb to display X on a win Pvr 350 card. Everything works well except I can't get sound with mplayer. Any ideas? My google-fu fails me.
[02:43:00] Esotericisms: thats not what I meant ...
[02:43:00] dawgma: I have tried to delete it but no luck. It still shows after I hit delete. I do not notic any messages in the xterm session.
[02:43:00] dhofstra: heh, actually want to find out how to remove a bush in my yard for my new swimming pool, and the first 20 pages of google are about removing president bush... for once google doesnt know what I am asking about
[02:43:00] Esotericisms: I meant how much time has to go by for it to auto-expire... I know what auto-expire is
[02:44:00] gnarface: dhofstra: burn it.
[02:44:00] rtsai: auto-expire is triggered by disk space pressure, not by time
[02:44:00] dhofstra: hrm.. good idea
[02:44:00] dhofstra: you mean the actual plantlife, right?
[02:44:00] dhofstra: LOL
[02:44:00] sphing: anyone here got a M10k or similar?
[02:45:00] rtsai: anyone using the Radio Shack 15–2116 remote with JP1 and a wireless IR keyboard receiver?
[02:45:00] JohnnyQuest: mythfront end keeps doing this while playing...prebuffering pause
[02:45:00] Esotericisms: rtsai, that is weird, cause I got down to less then 2 GB and all my scheduled recordings when to priority "T" ... all scheduled recordings has episode limit set and auto-expire turned on ... it was weird
[02:45:00] JohnnyQuest: and it makes everything really choppy
[02:45:00] sphing: JohnnyQuest: same here.. i dont know why
[02:45:00] rtsai: Esotericisms: I have no idea what you just said.
[02:45:00] JohnnyQuest: does it go away?
[02:46:00] JohnnyQuest: wehn you restart or anything?
[02:46:00] sphing: mine only happens in recorder versions
[02:46:00] Chris_McTire: There are two forms of expiration. One is "Record new and expire old" with "No. of recordings to keep". The other is "Auto-expire recordings" wich depends on the disk space.
[02:46:00] JohnnyQuest: that was for live tv...
[02:46:00] sphing: not in live tv... AND only happends on the frontend
[02:46:00] sphing: not the backend
[02:46:00] gnarface: ShockValue: hey, did that pastebin entry help for you?
[02:46:00] JohnnyQuest: that was live tv for me
[02:46:00] JohnnyQuest: and that was happening
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[02:46:00] sphing: the backend gets waiting for prebuffer but just get choppy
[02:47:00] rtsai: yeah, what Chris said. One has nothing to do with the other; they are triggered independently of each other.
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[02:47:00] Chris_McTire: I'm using ivtv-fb to display X on a win Pvr 350 card. Everything works well except I can't get sound with mplayer. Any ideas? My google-fu fails me. Anyone?
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[02:49:00] monkeyBox: Anyone here use minimyth?
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[02:49:00] ChrisMacTire: Nope, sorry.
[02:50:00] JohnnyQuest: i hit r, and now its playing smoothly..
[02:51:00] dougl: my linux is complaining about mysql when I try to run mythtv... err what is mysql?
[02:51:00] ChrisMacTire: I'm using ivtv-fb to display X on a win Pvr 350 card. Everything works well except I can't get sound with mplayer. Any ideas? My google-fu fails me. Anyone?
[02:52:00] ChrisMacTire: dougl: database, stores much of the configuration information.
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[02:52:00] ChrisMacTire: dougl: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html
[02:52:00] ChrisMacTire: dougl: did you do that?
[02:56:00] JohnnyQuest: i cant watch live tv, i keep getting prebuffering pause
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[02:56:00] JohnnyQuest: if i record it, its just fine...
[02:56:00] rtsai: is your system underpowered?
[02:57:00] rtsai: graphics card?
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[02:58:00] JohnnyQuest: 7200
[02:58:00] JohnnyQuest: it shouldnt be underpowered...
[02:58:00] JohnnyQuest: it worked fine until today...
[02:58:00] dhofstra: JohnnyQuest oftentimes prebuffering pauses are a soundcard issue; you may also want to check to see if DMA is enabled on your hard drives
[02:58:00] JohnnyQuest: it was, wats the command to check?
[02:59:00] dhofstra: lemme check the mythdocs, but it was hdparm something..
[02:59:00] ChrisMacTire: I'm using ivtv-fb to display X on a win Pvr 350 card. Everything works well except I can't get sound with mplayer. Any ideas? My google-fu fails me. Anyone?
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[03:00:00] rtsai: does mplayer think there is sound?
[03:01:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont get sound with mplayer either chrismactire
[03:01:00] ChrisMacTire: rtsai: Sure, it's currently set to output to alas, which goes to the sound card. Not useful to me. I need to pipe it into the 350 card so the sound comes out the TV.
[03:01:00] rtsai: ah, can't help you. My onboard sound is hooked up to an audio receiver.
[03:01:00] ChrisMacTire: rtsai: Thanks anyhow.
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[03:02:00] JohnnyQuest: i cant get mplayer to put sound through my soundcard
[03:02:00] rtsai: actualy, can't you output RCA from your soundcard to your TV
[03:02:00] rtsai: ?
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[03:02:00] JohnnyQuest: he could
[03:02:00] JohnnyQuest: but it might not by syncd..
[03:02:00] JohnnyQuest: he just needs a miniplug to rca adapter
[03:02:00] ChrisMacTire: rtsai: I could but the sound is already coming from the 350 card. So I'd be stuck with two sound out. One from the sound card the other from the 350 card. Then what?
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: thats easy
[03:03:00] dhofstra: oh, and make sure you are using realtime priority
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: if it is only one at a time
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: if it does mplayer at one time and myth at the other, that ise asy
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: get rca outputs for soudn behind your computer
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: and then get a spliter type thing
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: that combines the white rca into one wire
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: and the red rca into one wire
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: and then run taht int your tv/amp or watever
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[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: thats if only one outputs sound at a time
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: if not, that would creat problems
[03:05:00] JohnnyQuest: how do i set realtime priority?
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[03:05:00] ChrisMacTire: chmod +s /usr/bin/mythfrontend
[03:06:00] JohnnyQuest: thats it?
[03:06:00] ChrisMacTire: That's what I know of.
[03:06:00] rtsai: and restart frontend
[03:06:00] rtsai: and the checkbox in setup
[03:06:00] rtsai: (i think it's in frontend setup)
[03:07:00] rtsai: then in your logs (frontend) you'll see "using realtime priority"
[03:07:00] dhofstra: in some distros you have to sudo mythfrontend for realtime priority (fc, suse, etc
[03:08:00] ChrisMacTire: dhofstra: <ChrisMacTire> chmod +s /usr/bin/mythfrontend
[03:08:00] dhofstra: yeah, that doesnt work all the time anymore
[03:08:00] zacs: ChrisMacTire: i haven't bothered to look into why, but fc3 ignores the suid bit for me
[03:08:00] ChrisMacTire: ah
[03:09:00] dhofstra: I have to visudo, and allow the regular user to access /usr/bin/mythfrontend as root, and then launch mythfrontend as sudo mythfrontend
[03:09:00] dhofstra: I went round and round to find another option, but suse 9.3 it is a must... also some FC people have had the problem (but not all)
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[03:10:00] braniff: if i stick a harddisk in my system that BIOS recognizes, shouldn't linux make a new /dev/hd* device for it ??
[03:11:00] dhofstra: (or for testing purposes only) you could run mythfrontend as root to see if that fixes your prebuffering pauses (dhofstra places on flame-retardant suit)
[03:11:00] JohnnyQuest: im doing sudo frontend...
[03:11:00] JohnnyQuest: and im having that problem..
[03:11:00] JohnnyQuest: im runnign it as root..
[03:11:00] rtsai: did you configure realtime in the GUi setup?
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[03:11:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[03:12:00] dhofstra: JohnnyQuest next ... are you using a PVR card?
[03:12:00] JohnnyQuest: yes
[03:12:00] JohnnyQuest: 150
[03:12:00] JohnnyQuest: 1.4 ghz processor
[03:12:00] dhofstra: did you enable that using smaller audio buffer than what is actually present option
[03:12:00] JohnnyQuest: i never saw that option
[03:12:00] JohnnyQuest: so no
[03:12:00] dhofstra: ahh, 150 so your ivtv 0.3x could be doing this
[03:13:00] JohnnyQuest: im gonna brb
[03:13:00] JohnnyQuest: im gonna try restarting
[03:13:00] JohnnyQuest: just to make sure thats its not osmething running...
[03:13:00] dougl: ChrisMacTire: sorry went for smoke after I sent the message... thanks I am reading/doing now.
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[03:14:00] dhofstra: JohnyQuest I notice that someone in one of the bulletin boards thinks that 3.5i is a worthwile version for ivtv
[03:14:00] dhofstra: somebody tell johnnyquest about that ^^ when he gets back, I'm going to bed
[03:14:00] ** braniff thinks he is the only one left not using a PVR card **
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[03:15:00] ** rtsai doesn't have a PVR card **
[03:15:00] vividan: I have 2 working frontends and 1 working backend (one machine has a backend and frontend).. how difficult would it be to have the idle frontend doing some transcoding/flagging
[03:16:00] ** braniff stands corrected **
[03:18:00] sphing: anyone on an M10k
[03:19:00] ChrisMacTire: M10k?
[03:19:00] vividan: Does a secondary backend with no capture card require direct access to the store (like through an nfs share)?
[03:19:00] sphing: M10000
[03:19:00] sphing: epia board
[03:19:00] ChrisMacTire: Ah. I'm MII12k
[03:19:00] ChrisMacTire: if that helps
[03:20:00] sphing: do you prebuffer alot?
[03:20:00] ChrisMacTire: Sorry, I use a PCI card to do tv out.
[03:21:00] sphing: bah
[03:21:00] ChrisMacTire: What drivers are you using?
[03:21:00] sphing: my other computer
[03:21:00] sphing: prebuffers but doesnt actually lock up
[03:22:00] sphing: i mean choppy
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[03:22:00] JohnnyQuest: its playing now
[03:22:00] sphing: the open source via
[03:22:00] JohnnyQuest: without the prebuffer
[03:22:00] sphing: what'd you do?
[03:22:00] JohnnyQuest: restarted
[03:23:00] sphing: i restarted ... same th ing
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[03:23:00] JohnnyQuest: did it fix your problem?
[03:23:00] sphing: nope
[03:23:00] sphing: i increased nice
[03:23:00] JohnnyQuest: i restarted the whole computer...
[03:23:00] sphing: and ran as root
[03:23:00] sphing: yea so did i
[03:23:00] JohnnyQuest: o ok
[03:23:00] JohnnyQuest: i shut down, i dunno if that makes a diff..
[03:24:00] JohnnyQuest: but now its smooth..
[03:24:00] sphing: me too
[03:24:00] sphing: lol
[03:24:00] JohnnyQuest: now i dont know how to change line at the top of the monitor..
[03:24:00] JohnnyQuest: its weird..
[03:24:00] JohnnyQuest: its a line of white and black
[03:24:00] JohnnyQuest: it comes when i play live tv
[03:26:00] rtsai: not for recorded tv?
[03:26:00] JohnnyQuest: i dunno
[03:26:00] JohnnyQuest: id ont know how to do that yet..
[03:26:00] rtsai: i have a line for some channels. I use overscan to get rid of it.
[03:26:00] JohnnyQuest: i had trouble with live tv before
[03:26:00] JohnnyQuest: how do i use overscan?
[03:26:00] rtsai: I think it's in "TV Playback".
[03:26:00] JohnnyQuest: where is the setting?
[03:26:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[03:27:00] dougl: I am trying to follow howto for mythtv on mandrake 10.1 box... says to cd database and do mysql stuff.... where is the database directory?
[03:28:00] GreyFoxx: dougl: It's likely referring to the database directory within the mysql source
[03:28:00] GotD0t: im having trouble with the TV out on my nvidia card... it doesnt display correctly at all on my tv... can i post my X config file to a paste bin and have someone take a look... to see if they can spot the source of my troubles?
[03:28:00] JohnnyQuest: i just did 4 mythtv installs dougl, im brandnew to linux, i suggest fc3...
[03:28:00] JohnnyQuest: its simpler..
[03:28:00] JohnnyQuest: less stuff to worry about, just a suggestion..
[03:28:00] rtsai: dougl: it's in the mythtv sources
[03:28:00] rtsai: mythtv/database
[03:28:00] GreyFoxx: dougl: Ooops, I mean within the mythtv source, not the mysql source
[03:28:00] dougl: fc3?
[03:29:00] rtsai: no, the mythtv source code; should be the same whether you get a tarball, cvs, or from yoru distro
[03:29:00] JohnnyQuest: fedora core 3
[03:29:00] JohnnyQuest: but, try to fix what you have, if you can
[03:29:00] sphing: JohnnyQuest: i got it
[03:29:00] dougl: thanks...
[03:29:00] JohnnyQuest: if not, i recommend that for ease of installation
[03:29:00] JohnnyQuest: what was it?
[03:29:00] sphing: its an audio problem
[03:29:00] JohnnyQuest: that overscan fixed that prob
[03:29:00] sphing: if i disable my audio
[03:29:00] JohnnyQuest: i think so to..
[03:29:00] rtsai: cool
[03:29:00] sphing: its smooth... if i enable it
[03:30:00] dougl: used redhat since 5.2 not going back
[03:30:00] JohnnyQuest: so its rough disabled?
[03:30:00] JohnnyQuest: or enabled?
[03:30:00] sphing: eh?
[03:30:00] JohnnyQuest: when does it play nice?
[03:31:00] sphing: when audio is disable
[03:31:00] JohnnyQuest: so, you cant hear anythign?
[03:31:00] sphing: right
[03:31:00] JohnnyQuest: but the picture is smooth?
[03:31:00] sphing: i rmove /dev/dsp
[03:31:00] sphing: i play and it smooth... i re-link /dev/dsp.. and its choppy again
[03:31:00] sphing: so the problem is clearly the audio
[03:31:00] GreyFoxx: have you enabled extra audio buffering ?
[03:31:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[03:31:00] JohnnyQuest: i have taht enabled
[03:32:00] sphing: yes
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: and i got the problem until i restarted..
[03:32:00] sphing: one think i noticied
[03:32:00] sphing: is thats its using OSS not ALSA
[03:32:00] sphing: and i have ALSA with OSS emulation..
[03:32:00] sphing: could that be it?
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: me 2
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: thats hwat i have
[03:32:00] GotD0t: im having trouble with the TV out on my nvidia card... it doesnt display correctly at all on my tv... my XFree86 config file is on pastebin at http://pastebin.com/300089 can anybody take a look and see if they can spot my troubles
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: and i cant figure it out
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: im gettign audio errors when i start my computer
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: and i dont get sound with mplayer
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: so, i know i have a problem with audio
[03:33:00] JohnnyQuest: and i have oss stuff and alsa stuff
[03:34:00] sphing: i'm gonna watch a dvd.. i'll tinker with it more tom
[03:34:00] JohnnyQuest: i cant even watch dvds
[03:34:00] JohnnyQuest: mplayer doesnt start when i go to play dvd
[03:34:00] sphing: ... standalone dvd player :P
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[03:35:00] GreyFoxx: GotD0t: Have you tried using the nvidia provided driver rather than the X provided one ?
[03:36:00] GreyFoxx: the X provided one has many limitations
[03:36:00] GotD0t: hmm
[03:37:00] GotD0t: when i try nvidia it bithces about something
[03:37:00] GotD0t: and X doesn't start
[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: Then it would require you to fix the "something" L(
[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: :)
[03:37:00] GotD0t: heh
[03:37:00] GotD0t: i think its a kernel issue... but ive never done my own kernel in a non-gentoo distro
[03:38:00] sphing: shouldn't matter what distro
[03:38:00] GreyFoxx: I would be suprised if it was a kernel issue, but I'm not a gentoo user
[03:39:00] GotD0t: (EE) NVIDIA(0) Failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module!
[03:39:00] GotD0t: heh
[03:39:00] GreyFoxx: That's not a kernel issue, it's likely jus tmissing the nvidia kernel module that should be installed along with the driver
[03:40:00] GotD0t: so what do i do?
[03:41:00] GreyFoxx: have you changed your kernel (or upgraded it) since the nvidia driver was installed ?
[03:41:00] GotD0t: not me personally
[03:41:00] GreyFoxx: you might need to reinstall the nvidia kernel
[03:41:00] GreyFoxx: blah
[03:41:00] GreyFoxx: the nvidia driver
[03:41:00] GotD0t: i installed with knoppmyth
[03:42:00] ChrisMacTire: Well then. I'm fucked.
[03:42:00] GotD0t: so i dont know the state of everything GreyFoxx
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: GotD0t: I have no idea how knoppmyth handles stuff. You should look into reinstalling the nvidia driver is alkl I can tell ya
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: you will have to educate yourself on how exactly to do that
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: Or you can just download it and install it manually instead of via a package
[03:44:00] GotD0t: hmm.. thanks GreyFoxx
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[03:44:00] GreyFoxx: ChrisMacTire: what exactly is your problem ?
[03:44:00] dougl: thanks guys... the software is installed and working now.... err what should I get for a capture card for linux?
[03:44:00] monkeyBox: Is it possible to compile/install mythbackend without X as a dependancy?
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[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: dougl: The main recommendation is a pvr250 or pvr150
[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: monkeyBox: nope
[03:45:00] monkeyBox: ok, just curious :)
[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: well... actually you might be able to get it going with just directfb
[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: but no matter what you will require QT
[03:46:00] dougl: GreyFoxx: thanks... is there read me stuff on other options?
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: dougl: Not anything I've seen
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: but that doesn't mean there isn
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: 't out ther :)
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: the pvr x50's provided onboard hardware mpeg2 compression of the incoming video so it saves a lot of CPU
[03:48:00] dougl: GreyFoxx: thanks
[03:50:00] JohnnyQuest: i cant get lirc to work..
[03:52:00] JohnnyQuest: if i type the comand /usr/bin/irw into the terminal
[03:52:00] JohnnyQuest: it shows the buttons i press
[03:52:00] JohnnyQuest: but they dont work in mythtv
[03:52:00] GreyFoxx: Are you sure mythtv was compiled with lirc support enabled ?
[03:54:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont know..
[03:55:00] JohnnyQuest: i did apt-get mythtv-suite and then did mythtvsetup
[03:55:00] dougl: does myth tv support HDTV or any satelite tv cards?
[03:56:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[03:56:00] vividan: HDTV support is limited to over the air HDTV
[03:56:00] dougl: doh!
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: dougl: There is dvb support, and support for the pchdtv
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: vividan: Unless you have an air2pc and your cable provider doesn't encrypt the signal :)
[03:57:00] GreyFoxx: but obviously it's a gamble :)
[03:57:00] vividan: really?
[03:57:00] Chutt: the pchdtv 3k also works with qam
[03:57:00] Chutt: mostly
[03:57:00] GreyFoxx: Chutt: Sweet
[03:57:00] JohnnyQuest: there is a card that can dycrypt singals from digital cable
[03:57:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont know if it works on mythtv
[03:57:00] JohnnyQuest: i found it while i was looking for cards
[03:58:00] vividan: Is the cable tuner on nvidia's media center cards supported?
[03:58:00] JohnnyQuest: its not very good...
[03:58:00] Chutt: the rivatv drivers aren't terribly good
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[03:58:00] Chutt: so no
[03:58:00] vividan: is that what it is? rivatv
[03:58:00] Chutt: that's what the linux driver is called
[03:59:00] vividan: cool, thanks :)
[03:59:00] JohnnyQuest: there is also a nvtv card
[03:59:00] JohnnyQuest: and its not very good quality
[03:59:00] Chutt: i don't think it supports the tuner-only cards, and i think it only handles the older vivo stuff, too
[04:00:00] JohnnyQuest: you can look through the hardware database at what people have
[04:00:00] JohnnyQuest: and that stuff will work
[04:00:00] dougl: hey thanks for the help here guys... good support channel....
[04:00:00] dougl: JohnnyQuest: where is the hardware database?
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[04:00:00] JohnnyQuest: umm
[04:00:00] JohnnyQuest: im not sure
[04:00:00] JohnnyQuest: its linked to frm the myttv website
[04:00:00] JohnnyQuest: in the howto
[04:00:00] JohnnyQuest: somewhre in there
[04:01:00] dougl: JohnnyQuest: thanks
[04:01:00] JohnnyQuest: in the hardware area i believe
[04:01:00] JohnnyQuest: how do i know if i have lirc compiled with mythtv?
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[04:03:00] Chutt: if you compiled it yourself, it'll be in config.mak
[04:05:00] JohnnyQuest: i did apt-get myth-suite
[04:05:00] JohnnyQuest: well apt-get install mythsuite
[04:06:00] arrummzen: Why does mythtv use mysql and not postgresql?
[04:07:00] Agrajag-: why should it use postgresql and not mysql?
[04:08:00] ** vividan senses a flame war in the making. **
[04:08:00] JohnnyQuest: lol
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[04:08:00] arrummzen: I am more familer with postgresql and hence like it more.
[04:09:00] vividan: my understanding is that mysql is faster at "home" type db uses, while postgresql is seen as a more established and scalable db
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[04:09:00] Agrajag-: nice reasoning :P
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[04:10:00] Agrajag-: vividan: where'd you get that bit of info from?
[04:10:00] abarbaccia: hey – im having trouble getting my daemons to start at boot – im in ubuntu and they are all getting killed
[04:10:00] vividan: Agrajag-: around, and it's all not verified
[04:10:00] Agrajag-: check logs
[04:10:00] ** arrummzen thinks his chances of getting the mythtv development team to switch to postgresql are slim. **
[04:10:00] Agrajag-: arrummzen: im sure if you submit patches which let users choose between the two it'll be received happily
[04:10:00] ChrisMacTire: Is postgresql free|oss and such?
[04:11:00] Agrajag-: yeah
[04:12:00] vividan: yeah, from what I know... there is no reason to not use either one
[04:13:00] vividan: I thought db access was abstracted.. as long as the db speaks SQL it's supported
[04:13:00] ChrisMacTire: Well, start patching I guess.
[04:14:00] ChrisMacTire: It may be. The install guide only mentions mysql. You're not likely to get much help should it fuckup though.
[04:14:00] vividan: hehe, should vs. does :)
[04:16:00] arrummzen: You need to use a differnt API or setup string (if using a Abstracation Layer like ODBC) to use a differnt RDBMS.
[04:17:00] vividan: Ah, ODBC thats what I was looking for (Databases was not my best cs class :) )
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[04:23:00] abarbaccia: anybody running ubuntu here?
[04:24:00] arrummzen: abarbaccia, What do you need to know?
[04:24:00] arrummzen: I ran ubuntu for a few days.
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[04:25:00] abarbaccia: arrummzen, i had a lircd file in my /dev/init.d that was making lircd run at boot, and i was messsing with getting an irblaster workign and that file got removed – the daemon gets killed at boot everytime and i cna't figure a workaround, so i was gonna try to get that file from someon
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[04:27:00] arrummzen: You could just reinstall in VMWare/Bochs.
[04:27:00] abarbaccia: arrummzen, its a lot of work
[04:28:00] arrummzen: Did the file come with a ubuntu or with a 3d party package?
[04:28:00] rtsai: abarbaccia: can you just uninstall/reinstall lircd and get the file back?
[04:31:00] abarbaccia: tried it a million times – im hoping my friend who is workign on another mythtv ubuntu box is as far as i am (i doubt i tho)
[04:31:00] abarbaccia: im trying one more thing for tonight then im getting out of here and will have to leave it for tomorrow.... :(
[04:32:00] abarbaccia: U R G H – i give up – im out guys – nite
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[04:33:00] Netslayer: anyone know what causes mythtranscode to sit there and not respond to nuvexport?
[04:33:00] Netslayer: Waiting for mythtranscode to set up the fifos.
[04:34:00] Netslayer: I have a lot of recordings in my system and they all work perfectly with nuvexport, but I manually imported some older ones (same nuv divx codec) and they play fine with myth but time out mythtranscode
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[04:45:00] vividan: ∞
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[05:02:00] rjune: ok, who pays attention to politics?
[05:02:00] rjune: xris: you were doing hte recipe thing right?
[05:03:00] xris: yes
[05:04:00] rjune: it's a myth module, right?
[05:04:00] xris: no
[05:04:00] rjune: oh. bummer
[05:04:00] xris: but I'm hoping to find someone to help integrate it into myth
[05:05:00] rjune: really?
[05:05:00] xris: yay, firefly was picked up by scifi.
[05:05:00] xris: now if only they'd do it for "dead like me", too.
[05:06:00] xris: rjune: that's been the plan all along.
[05:06:00] rjune: as per my wife, I may have to help
[05:07:00] xris: heh
[05:07:00] rjune: she wants an excuse to have a mythbox in the kitchen
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[05:10:00] xris: I just think a computer in the kitchen would be too messy.
[05:10:00] rjune: Naa
[05:10:00] rjune: cheap keyboard and a small lcd would be ok
[05:10:00] rjune: you just would use only the keyboard for input
[05:10:00] rjune: yay, I found a bug in a project.
[05:10:00] rjune: neat bug too I need to figure out what the hells going on
[05:12:00] xris: rjune: waterproof touchscreen is the only way to go for working around food.
[05:12:00] rjune: xris: that's expensive, I can't afford it
[05:12:00] xris: or in my case, a printout attached to the fridge with a BIG magnet.
[05:12:00] rjune: so I'll do cheap LCD with a waterproof keyboard and a glass front
[05:13:00] mchou: rjune: look into LG fridges. have LCD built into them
[05:13:00] xris: that's not bad. personally, it'd be a waste of counterspace for me.
[05:13:00] xris: mchou: mine doesn't.  :P
[05:13:00] mchou: xris: get a new fridge :)
[05:13:00] rjune: mchou: yeah, and it does what?
[05:14:00] xris: mchou: it's 3 months old.
[05:14:00] xris: none of those had made it to the US when I got mine.
[05:14:00] rjune: mchou: with an lcd, I could have a mythbox in the fridge
[05:14:00] rjune: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/319395.shtml <-- how cool is this?
[05:14:00] mchou: rjune: plays movies, tv, who knows what else.
[05:15:00] rjune: mchou: and tracks recipes
[05:15:00] mchou: rjune: is that a joke???
[05:15:00] rjune: mchou: not as far as I know
[05:15:00] rjune: xris: I use phprecipebook now, you interested in a web frontend too?
[05:15:00] xris: rjune: that's what I'm writing.
[05:15:00] mchou: Bush and Jesus '08, Apocalyse Now!
[05:15:00] xris: proof of concept: http://cooktools.forevermore.net/test
[05:16:00] rjune: mchou: my vote's for jesus
[05:16:00] rjune: xris: not so keen on the textarea thing
[05:16:00] mchou: rjune: you mean apocalyse, right? :)
[05:16:00] rjune: mchou: sure
[05:17:00] mchou: xris: New fridges are nice. I like freer compartment on bottom.
[05:17:00] mchou: freezer*
[05:17:00] mchou: the freezer on the side drives me batty.
[05:18:00] rjune: my wife prefers the side-side style
[05:18:00] rjune: and freezer on the bottom isn't new
[05:18:00] mchou: had one of those fridges, drove me crazy!
[05:18:00] mchou: rjune: metaphoriaclly speaking it's new :)
[05:18:00] rjune: mchou: ok
[05:19:00] mchou: rjune: even freezer on top would be fine by me.
[05:19:00] rjune: meh I don't much care
[05:19:00] rjune: as long as it's cold
[05:20:00] mchou: the best deal is to have separate freezer and fridge :)
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[05:22:00] rjune: indeed
[05:23:00] mchou: rjune: haha! read this comment to your link earlier: "The GOP doesn't need to keep Bush in longer then 8years, they know how to fix elections."
[05:24:00] rjune: mchou: so do the dems
[05:25:00] rjune: the US political system isn't much more than a marketing machine
[05:25:00] mchou: lol. by definition all politics is marketing
[05:26:00] mchou: like running for class president. Come on, you can't tell me that's not a popularity contest :)
[05:27:00] mchou: and once elected, they say to themselves, "What do we do now?"
[05:27:00] mchou: like that old Robert Redford movie "The Candidate"
[05:28:00] rjune: heh
[05:28:00] rjune: I like wag the dog better
[05:29:00] mchou: wag the dog wasnt bad.
[05:29:00] mchou: ironic it's more about Bush than Clinton thogh :P
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[05:29:00] mchou: though*
[05:30:00] mchou: let's attack Iraq which had zip to do w/ 9/11
[05:31:00] rjune: mchou: yeah well
[05:31:00] rjune: he wnated to finish the job daddy left half done
[05:31:00] rjune: 'course if we hadn't put saddam in power in the first place...
[05:31:00] mchou: nah, you mean he wanted to avenge his dad's attempted assignation bt Sadaam :)
[05:31:00] mchou: by*
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[05:33:00] mchou: and have 1700 of US service ppl killed in return.
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[05:38:00] rjune: army enlistment is at an all time low
[05:38:00] mchou: heh, the kids are smart :)
[05:39:00] mchou: they arent dumb.
[05:40:00] rtsai: dhofstra: hey, just played with Myxer; I like it a lot! Now everyone can be a theme designer! :)
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[05:41:00] xris: rjune: proof of concept. though the point is that you can copy/paste your recipes from just about anywhere and it'll understand them. it's *certainly* better than a bunch of <select> and <input> fields for each and every line item.
[05:42:00] ShockValue: welll junk. i got this new remote almost working, but each time i program it, only a subset of the buttons work of the ones i want
[05:42:00] rjune: true dat
[05:42:00] xris: rjune: I'm combining it with a new type of wiki to deal with articles and ingredients for calculating nutritional value, point-based diet systems like weight watchers, etc.
[05:43:00] travolta: where can i get more info on the "user jobs" that myth can run on recordings?
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[05:44:00] ShockValue: gnarface: awake?
[05:46:00] mchou: bah, I say no one wants to look at recipes on their fridge.
[05:46:00] mchou: recipes on cards, even books. But not on fridge.
[05:49:00] mchou: it would be much cooler to have a talking fridge though to walk you through the recipe as you cook though :)
[05:49:00] ShockValue: anyone know brands that use RC-5 protocol besides phillips, marantz and magnavox?
[05:49:00] mchou: Shdwdrgn: hauppauge?
[05:50:00] mchou: ShockValue: ^^^
[05:50:00] ShockValue: yeah, that too, but my directv doesnt have a code for hauppauge stuff :)
[05:51:00] ShockValue: im trying to find a good code that will turn on all the right buttons on this dumb remote
[05:51:00] rjune: xris: well, I'll be interested in helping on it at some point, just not tonight.
[05:51:00] rjune: xris: tonight I'm trying to get zsnes working
[05:52:00] ShockValue: i keep getting close, but then something crucial is missing... like the directions work, but "menu" doesnt, or menu works, but "back" doesnt.. stuff like that
[05:52:00] xris: rjune: no problem. I have way too much housework for awhile, anyway.
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[06:18:00] vividan: Hey guys
[06:20:00] vividan: Anyone know why a slave backend wouldn't be able to transcode remote files?
[06:21:00] Netslayer: vividan, using nuvexport..u getting waiting for mythtranscode errors
[06:22:00] Netslayer: vividan, it depends on your error
[06:22:00] vividan: I'm not using nuvexport (well, not now...) I'm trying to offload some trandcoding/flagging work from the main backend machine
[06:22:00] Netslayer: oh your talking built in transcode
[06:23:00] Netslayer: you record your programs on a slave backend hostname that isn't connected?
[06:23:00] vividan: they were recorded on the main backend
[06:23:00] vividan: the slave backend does not have a tv card
[06:24:00] rjune: http://www.howstuffworks.com/batsuit.htm <-- this is cool
[06:24:00] Netslayer: why are you running a slave backend then?
[06:24:00] Netslayer: all my slaves do the capturing while my master is just a mysql db and file server
[06:24:00] vividan: to offload transcoding/flagging work from the main backend
[06:24:00] Netslayer: oh ok
[06:24:00] vividan: I just want 2 machines transcoding/flagging
[06:25:00] Netslayer: there are settings when you setup the slave backend for transcoding options
[06:25:00] Netslayer: restrictions on which machine to run the jobs
[06:25:00] vividan: is that all in mythsetup?
[06:25:00] Netslayer: ya i believe so
[06:25:00] vividan: and I'll have to setup the master, slave or both?
[06:26:00] Netslayer: i think a lot of those options are global
[06:26:00] vividan: ok
[06:26:00] Netslayer: setup your slave (from it)
[06:26:00] vividan: kuz I think I have it right.. but I'll check again
[06:27:00] Netslayer: btw you can flip the hostname field in the recorded table to identify where the recording happened.. might help you out
[06:27:00] Netslayer: but that's what the myth settings (job stuff) is for
[06:27:00] vividan: that sounds safe :)
[06:27:00] Netslayer: vividan, oh it's just one field heh i've been fiddiling with importing old recordings today
[06:29:00] vividan: :)
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[06:35:00] vividan: odd, didn't change anything and it started a job
[06:37:00] vividan: thanks for the help
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[06:56:00] Majestic12: in a debian based system how can I check what version a package is?
[07:10:00] Cardoe: rm -rf / ???
[07:12:00] Majestic12: well thats doing something
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[07:24:00] monkeyBox: Help! I just upgraded from 0.18.0 to 0.18.1, and when I try to watch livetv from a remote frontend, I get a blank screen and these errors: "taking too long to be allowed to read.." "Waited 4 seconds for data to become available, waiting again..." (the second one repeats over and over). What's going on here?
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[07:46:00] spellbound: my backend uses around 170MB and my front-end around 160MB... does that seem right?
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[07:55:00] Chutt: i highly doubt that either uses that much
[07:57:00] spellbound: restarted both and the numbers are slightly different but still very high:
[07:57:00] spellbound: 134484 12132 ? Ssl 22:56 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon
[07:57:00] spellbound: 178932 118408 pts/3 Sl+ 23:53 0:28 mythfrontend
[07:58:00] Chutt: that's 12 and 120
[07:58:00] Chutt: rss is what matters
[07:58:00] Chutt: and the frontend will use more or less, depending on which theme you're using
[08:02:00] spellbound: ah... the first number is what's swapped out? that makes the backend look much better... the frontend still uses a lot though. do you know which theme uses less memory?
[08:02:00] Chutt: minimalist is fairly small, so's iulius
[08:03:00] Chutt: just compare the sizes on disk, really
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[08:04:00] spellbound: thank you. I'll do that. how much "rss" is the least you would expect the frontend to use?
[08:05:00] Chutt: i dunno
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[08:13:00] spellbound: Chutt, going to minimalist reduced it from 120MB to 40MB. thanks again :)
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[10:27:00] k31th_: yo
[10:29:00] k31th_: wats a good card for general capturing. im in the UK so i cant capture HDTV all i have lying around the house is a WinTV Go card
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[10:59:00] Peit|work: k31th_, pvr [2|3]50 is my personal choice (non HDTV)
[11:05:00] k31th_: kool
[11:05:00] k31th_: can myth change the channel on a Sky box ?
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[11:05:00] k31th_: as i presume it would have to if it was to record from it ?
[11:07:00] Peit|work: um, depends on the sky box, i use a small device called a red-eye to control my NTL STB, but it works for some sat STBs as well (http://www.redremote.co.uk/)
[11:10:00] Peit|work: k31th_, http://www.redremote.co.uk/serial/index.html for the serial version
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[11:38:00] k31th_: Peit|work: cheers yeah iv been looking at that
[11:40:00] k31th_: 28 quid
[11:41:00] Peit|work: worth it imho, i've got 2:)
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[11:49:00] rinco: i dont suppose anyone here uses a prismiq as a frontend?
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[12:01:00] k31th_: Peit|work: yeah so i could then setup myth to change channel and record ?
[12:01:00] k31th_: or not
[12:02:00] Peit|work: yep
[12:03:00] Peit|work: there's a program on the site for changing the channel with linux
[12:09:00] abarbaccia: hey, anybody here use ubuntu?
[12:16:00] k31th_: yes
[12:16:00] k31th_: meeeee
[12:21:00] k31th_: abarbaccia: me
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[12:36:00] abarbaccia: k31th_, im going to have to ask you a bunch of questions when im off of work – i gotta run now
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[12:39:00] k31th_: abarbaccia: ok
[12:39:00] k31th_: ill idle then if thats kool
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[13:00:00] mirak: hello
[13:04:00] mirak: the mpeg4 compression is supposed to require less ressource than mpeg2 isn't it ?
[13:10:00] visit0r: no
[13:13:00] k31th_: ...
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[13:18:00] mirak: huh sorry, the decompression
[13:19:00] mirak: I mean on my mac G3 400mhz I can't play a dvd smoothly, however divx is fine
[13:19:00] mirak: I was wondering if mythtv player would be fine too
[13:19:00] k31th_: probly try it
[13:20:00] k31th_: depends on bit rates etc
[13:20:00] rinco: you might have betteer divx drivers... or slow io
[13:20:00] k31th_: get a pc
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[13:20:00] k31th_: and ditch that mac
[13:20:00] rinco: macs rule!
[13:20:00] k31th_: or put gentoo on it
[13:21:00] mirak: well, vlc and xine can play fine, but mplayer or kaffeine can't play divx
[13:21:00] rinco: mythfrontend on macosx is easiest client to setup
[13:21:00] k31th_: yeah
[13:21:00] k31th_: why not do that
[13:21:00] mirak: this mac is at my parents home
[13:21:00] mirak: I have nothing else there
[13:21:00] k31th_: ahhh
[13:21:00] metalhedd: mythtv-setup doesn't work for me. it crashes after asking me whether or not to clear the video files. I don't have a tv tuner at all, I'm just using it for videos & mp3s etc.
[13:21:00] mirak: I just want to record nba finals game 4 here at my home, and watch it there
[13:22:00] k31th_: ahhhh
[13:22:00] mirak: by just bringining the hard drive
[13:22:00] k31th_: vhs
[13:22:00] mirak: bringing
[13:22:00] k31th_: he he
[13:22:00] mirak: k31th_: yes that's the other option. I will do that I think
[13:23:00] k31th_: not as much fun
[13:23:00] mirak: however pvr is really fine
[13:23:00] mirak: yes exactly
[13:24:00] k31th_: kool
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[13:24:00] k31th_: im setting mine up tomorrow
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[14:00:00] Moe_: i am looking for aussie users of mythtv that I can ask a few questions....i searched the mailing list but not everthing seems to be answered can anyone help?
[14:00:00] rinco: im aussie hi
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[14:02:00] Moe_: hey rinco
[14:02:00] rinco: yo
[14:03:00] Moe_: i just saw the systm episode on mythtv and am interested in setting up my own box...i have been looking at getting a hdtv card for a while I am looking at getting a FusionHDTV DVB-T Pro. Looking at the mailing list this does work with linux but I will need to find out how to install it
[14:04:00] Moe_: the box I am planning on setting up is a Debian 3.1 (sarge), P4 2.4Ghz, 256mb Ram. So it should work nicely
[14:04:00] Moe_: do you know of any guides of setting up mythtv for aussie? and maybe debian as well? I am looking through the installation doc but all seems to be for US
[14:05:00] rinco: if you need a guide to setup debian you might want to start with ubuntu
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[14:06:00] Moe_: i allready have debian installed and running i just need to know how to install mythtv on it properly....
[14:06:00] Moe_: and make it work for aussie
[14:06:00] metalhedd: I've compiled all the plugins and they have placed their .so files in /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/ but they're not showing up in mythfrontend.
[14:06:00] rinco: i added mythtv to my debian box by adding the ubuntu multiverse apt repository and apt-get'ing
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[14:07:00] rinco: the dvb utils scan package comes with aussie scan codes (well at least it had canberra, im sure it has sydney)
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[14:08:00] Moe_: ok just looking at the installation guide it does have debain available and mentions repositories i need to add but its all to complicated nothing simple and all in one place its all over the guide....
[14:08:00] rinco: i had to manually copy the frequencies into mythtv scan dvb channel thing
[14:08:00] Moe_: i have read some people using tv_grab_au-0.6.2 to grab there guides for aussie so that should be ok
[14:08:00] rinco: well i used to do it without ubuntu
[14:08:00] rinco: i had to use the marillat packages
[14:09:00] Moe_: i have marillat in my sources list allready cause i used it to get mplayer and the codecs and stuff
[14:09:00] rinco: several tv_grab_au scripts exist... yahoo, ninemsn and dc1
[14:10:00] rinco: in the old days we had sofcom and ebroadcast... those and dc1 dont work anymore
[14:10:00] rinco: or d1, whatever
[14:10:00] metalhedd: little help?
[14:11:00] Moe_: i suppose i could install mythtv without a hdtv card and just see if i can get it working and retrieving tv guides then add hdtv card later...at least then I can test it before i add the hardware...lol
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[14:20:00] Anduin: metalhedd – did you change the prefix when building?
[14:21:00] metalhedd: No.
[14:22:00] metalhedd: I emerged it under gentoo. it mostly went to /usr/share/mythtv I believe.
[14:22:00] Anduin: metalhedd – have you ldd'd one of the .so?
[14:22:00] metalhedd: no. i don't even know what that means ;)
[14:23:00] Anduin: metalhedd – cd /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins; ldd libmythvideo.so
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[14:24:00] metalhedd: It printed a bunch of... stuff...
[14:24:00] the-FoX: hi everyone ;) does someone know where to find the qvfbhdr.h whihc debian package contains this file ?
[14:24:00] Anduin: metalhedd – all resolved though?
[14:25:00] metalhedd: nope. still dont see anything new
[14:26:00] Anduin: metalhedd – I meant the ldd...
[14:26:00] metalhedd: oh... I think so... they all look like this mostly...
[14:26:00] metalhedd: libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x408fe000)
[14:27:00] Anduin: metalhedd – ok, that is fine, I don't know how the gentoo builds work though, often when packaged people stop using /usr/local
[14:28:00] metalhedd: How can I find out?
[14:28:00] Anduin: metalhedd – where did everything install to?
[14:28:00] johnp_: the-FoX, is this to do with dvbconfparser.cpp ?
[14:29:00] metalhedd: ahh. I think the plugins should be in /usr/lib/mythtv there are other files there. and nothing in local.
[14:29:00] the-FoX: johnp_: yes. it has to do with dvbconfparser.cpp
[14:30:00] Anduin: metalhedd – yup
[14:30:00] johnp_: ok can you try this patch please : http://www.pullan.org.uk/john/mythtv/dvbconfparser.cpp.patch
[14:31:00] k31th_: afternoon all
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[14:33:00] the-FoX: johnp_:seems to work
[14:33:00] the-FoX: thanks
[14:33:00] johnp_: no problem, my cock up :|
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[14:42:00] metalhedd: is it possible to rearrange the menus by editing the CML Files?
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[14:58:00] monkeyBox: What's the difference between the PVR-250 and the PVR-150 ?
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[15:01:00] JohnnyQuest: hello
[15:01:00] JohnnyQuest: the difference is the amount of support
[15:02:00] JohnnyQuest: the pvr-250 has more support cuz it has been around longer
[15:02:00] JohnnyQuest: and it has an fm radio
[15:02:00] GreyFoxx: monkeyBox: the 150 is the next generatioon of the 250, they have been able to make it at a lower cost. Also means the drivers are less mature
[15:04:00] JohnnyQuest: i need a special tray to make using my computer i my bed easier
[15:04:00] JohnnyQuest: in*
[15:04:00] monkeyBox: GreyFoxx: will the ivtv drivers work with it?
[15:04:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[15:05:00] JohnnyQuest: im uisng a pvr-150
[15:06:00] monkeyBox: hmm.. I have a pvr-250 right now, would it work to add a pvr-150 as a 2nd tuner to my setup?
[15:07:00] JohnnyQuest: it will work, it may be some trouble, it it will work, people have done it..
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[15:31:00] cortezda1imp: goodmorning
[15:31:00] JohnnyQuest: good morning
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[15:32:00] SAID: Howdy, I am interested in building my first mythtv box. I have DirecTV, and in reading the forums, I looked for this serial plug on the back of my receiver to determin if mythtv could change the channel for me....no luck...what other options do I have?
[15:33:00] JohnnyQuest: you can use an irblaster
[15:33:00] JohnnyQuest: and that is kinda like a remote for your computer except its mounted on the infrared receiver on your dtv box
[15:33:00] cortezda1imp: i have a general linux question, and i know this isnt the place for it but everyone here is so helpful. i want to upgrade the hd in my mythbox but i only have room for one drive. whats the best way for me to clone my existing drive so i can just drop in the fresh one? I have a firewire enclosure i can use to connect it while this is going on.
[15:34:00] cortezda1imp: will dd do that for me?
[15:35:00] rtsai: i think you can use dd, but you will still need to use parted or some other partition tool to grow the existing partitions into the extra drive space
[15:35:00] cortezda1imp: i figure i'm going to have to write down the partition map or something, and set it up for the new drive in fdisk. i just want to make sure i'm not going to have any probs just unplugging the old drive and popping in the new one
[15:36:00] cortezda1imp: intresting... i'm going to go man parted
[15:36:00] rtsai: i don't think fdisk can resize live partitions; parted can
[15:36:00] cortezda1imp: so i use dd to clone the drive, then run parted to grow my /myth partition
[15:36:00] cortezda1imp: kthx
[15:36:00] mirak: you can do dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb
[15:37:00] cortezda1imp: sweet
[15:37:00] mirak: then increase the partition size
[15:37:00] mirak: of hdb
[15:37:00] SAID: that video capture card would you recommend?? I plan to use Mandrake, and am not really linux savvy
[15:37:00] cortezda1imp: brb
[15:37:00] mirak: however I am not totally sure if the boot loader will be preserved
[15:37:00] cortezda1imp: i use a pvr 150 but supposedly the 250 is better suppoprted
[15:38:00] Peit|work: mirak, it should be
[15:41:00] ** KarlosII found something Comcast is good for, http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/64623 **
[15:41:00] JohnnyQuest: anyone here know how i can use samba to view my music share on my windows?
[15:41:00] Peit|work: yes you can
[15:42:00] JohnnyQuest: you know how to?
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[15:44:00] Peit|work: i'd follow a samba HOWTO
[15:48:00] JohnnyQuest: thanx
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[15:52:00] laga: what's CPR?
[15:53:00] GreyFoxx: Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation
[15:53:00] GreyFoxx: Basically restarting someones hard if it stopps,
[15:53:00] GreyFoxx: getting their heart and breathing going
[15:54:00] GreyFoxx: Unless you are referring to a computer related acronym :)
[15:54:00] laga: i was referring to the medical term, thank you very much ;)
[15:55:00] cortezda1imp: mirak, rtsai : one more question. Am i better off doing this with my case off and the drive plugged into my secondary ide channel or when i connect it via firewire will it show up as hdb or what
[15:55:00] cortezda1imp: that was a weird long sentence...
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[15:58:00] Peit|work: case off and secondary ide channel, it will be quicker
[15:59:00] Peit|work: (but will be either hdc or hdd)
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[16:02:00] k31th_: Bash.org radio owns
[16:02:00] rjune: heh
[16:02:00] mirak: corteza I don't know
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[16:12:00] travolta: anyone here use winmyth as a frontend ? does it also sometimes crash the mythbackend for you?
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[16:20:00] monkeyBox: I just upgraded to 0.18.1, and when I try to watch a recording or livetv on my frontend, I get a blank screem, and the output from m mythfrontend is: "taking too long to be allowed to read.." and then " Waited 4 seconds for data to become available, waiting again..." over and over
[16:20:00] monkeyBox: What's going on here? Does this look familiar to anyone?
[16:20:00] JohnnyQuest: i get the waiting 4 seconds, but thats it
[16:20:00] JohnnyQuest: and thats just for live tv to start playing..
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[16:21:00] travolta: monkeyBox, can you "cat /dev/video > test.mpg" ?
[16:21:00] ** KarlosII ponder seems amd needs hyperthreading **
[16:21:00] monkeyBox: travolta: Yes, that works. The video looks ok
[16:22:00] travolta: maybe its a connection problem to mysql
[16:23:00] monkeyBox: it says just before all that: "New DB connection, total: 2".
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[16:23:00] monkeyBox: and mythbackend starts up just fine, it even "appears" to be recording shows...
[16:23:00] monkeyBox: I just can't view them from the frontend.
[16:23:00] monkeyBox: I haven't tested viewing on the backend machine yet because it's headless
[16:24:00] travolta: is mysql installed on the frontend's box ?
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[16:25:00] monkeyBox: yes, it's installed
[16:26:00] monkeyBox: lemme try a mysql client connection to the server
[16:26:00] monkeyBox: yeah it works fine...
[16:27:00] monkeyBox: Actually, I'm sure it works because I can view program guide, recorded progs, etc... just can't view anything
[16:28:00] rjune: is there an easy way to change the default directory myth looks for videos, etc? is default dir a value in the db somewhere?
[16:28:00] travolta: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2003 . . . /016669.html <-- this guy had the same problem "taking too long to be allowed to read" and fixed it
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[16:28:00] ** monkeyBox is looking **
[16:31:00] tcube: rjune : have you modify the settings in mythfrontend --- utility/setup->setup->media settings->video settings->general settings->directory that holds video
[16:31:00] rjune: tcube: I know that, I want to change the default though
[16:32:00] rjune: aka I have 5 machines, I want to set it once and never have to worry about it, because new installs will have a different default then /var/lib/mythvideo
[16:33:00] tcube: o_O 5 machines /drools
[16:33:00] tcube: rjune: sorry I dont know if you can set that value in the db
[16:34:00] rjune: tcube: you see how Its a pita for me now, right?
[16:34:00] tcube: haha
[16:36:00] Chutt: it'd be quite simple to change it in the source
[16:39:00] tcube: Chutt's suggestion will probably be more direct approach for you, rjune
[16:39:00] travolta: where can i get more info on how to use the "user job#1–5" ?
[16:40:00] JohnnyQuest: has anyone here used smbmount?
[16:40:00] travolta: i'm looking to encode with ffmpeg and cp to a dir (to watch on my psp)
[16:41:00] JohnnyQuest: ln -s smbclient //spencer/Music /var/lib/mythmusic/
[16:41:00] JohnnyQuest: whoops
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[16:41:00] Chutt: travolta, check the release notes for 0.17, i think
[16:41:00] Chutt: there's a bit writeup there
[16:41:00] Chutt: or maybe 0.16, whenever it got added
[16:42:00] travolta: thanks for the tip
[16:44:00] tcube: /raise hands for question: sometimes I suffer video corrupt when change channel from HD to SD and vice versa. exit X and renter mythtv and the video still corrupt. At this time, I normally need a full reboot. anyway I can reset the video w/o reboot?
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[16:45:00] Chutt: sounds like a driver problem
[16:45:00] tcube: so is nvidia driver issue :(
[16:45:00] Chutt: could be, sure
[16:46:00] tcube: whats a good video card other than nvidia? any recommandation?
[16:46:00] Chutt: nope
[16:47:00] rjune: Chutt: yeah, I was hoping there was a configuration way to do it
[16:47:00] monkeyBox: hmm.. it says "Double check the pids, and try setting use_ts in the capturecard table to 0" does he mean the database table?
[16:47:00] Peit|work: Chutt, is the requirement for the master backend to have a capture card still in place (I wonder if that's the cause of some issues I'm seeing)
[16:47:00] Chutt: yes
[16:47:00] tcube: Chutt: thanks for the advice
[16:48:00] Peit|work: Chutt, one other question if you don't mind, is it possible to restrict transcodes to only one backend?
[16:49:00] monkeyBox: I don't see use_ts in the capturecard table, unfortunately :-(
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[16:51:00] Chutt: i don't transcode.
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[16:51:00] EricAnderson: Is there some software I could use to watch TV over the net? I want to watch a soccar match at work...
[16:51:00] monkeyBox: hmm.. I don't see use_ts anywhere in the database. You think that's what he was talking about? or something else?
[16:52:00] Peit|work: Chutt, thanks, do you know who might know? (or should I draft an email to -users?)
[16:52:00] Chutt: ask users
[16:52:00] Peit|work: EricAnderson, myth will do it, or videolan
[16:52:00] EricAnderson: Peit|work: how do I do it with myth
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[16:52:00] Peit|work: thanks chutt, oh, does the master vid card need to have channels defined
[16:52:00] rjune: Chutt: would frontend "X" looking to the values of hostname "localhost.localdomain" for it's defaults be acceptable behaviour? aka if I mod the source to do that, would it be accepted?
[16:52:00] Peit|work: EricAnderson, mythfrontend at work, same as other stuff
[16:52:00] monkeyBox: damn... looks like use_ts was a field in earlier versions.. now it's gone.
[16:53:00] EricAnderson: Peit|work: Hehe, Windows boxes at work :)
[16:53:00] Peit|work: EricAnderson, windows front end
[16:53:00] Peit|work: if not, then try videolan
[16:53:00] EricAnderson: k
[16:53:00] Chutt: rjune, err, for what defaults?
[16:53:00] rjune: Chutt: settings defaults
[16:53:00] Chutt: what setting has a hostname as a default?
[16:53:00] monkeyBox: travolta: any idea what he means by "double check the pids"?
[16:53:00] travolta: nope
[16:53:00] rjune: Chutt: nonono I'm not being clear
[16:54:00] Chutt: no, you're not.
[16:54:00] monkeyBox: crap. I wonder what "use_ts" was used for? perhaps it's called something else now?
[16:54:00] Chutt: it was for dvb stuff
[16:55:00] rjune: Chutt: lets say I bring a new mytfrontend up. it goes to get the directory for videos, so it checks the value VideoStartupDir for it's hostname
[16:55:00] monkeyBox: hmm.. well, I'm not using dvb. I guess that fix won't work for me :-(
[16:55:00] Chutt: right.
[16:55:00] Chutt: if you want the default changed, just change it in the source
[16:55:00] rjune: Chutt: I want to add a second check
[16:55:00] Chutt: no
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[16:55:00] Chutt: i'm not going to break stuff just because you're lazy
[16:56:00] rjune: it's not breaking stuff
[16:56:00] Chutt: yes, it is
[16:56:00] rjune: it's adding the ability to set a default without rebuilding the app
[16:56:00] rjune: hardcoded defaults are lazy
[16:56:00] Chutt: the defaults are set at program startup
[16:56:00] Chutt: if they don't exist
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[16:56:00] Chutt: a 'second check' wouldn't ever be used.
[16:56:00] rjune: default != configuration
[16:56:00] rjune: you set the defaults in the source
[16:56:00] rben: my mythtv just started behaving strangely
[16:57:00] rjune: the defaults should be a configration option
[16:57:00] Chutt: no, they shouldn't
[16:57:00] rben: the backend keeps crashing after reboot
[16:57:00] Chutt: why would you have a configuration option for a configuration option?
[16:57:00] rjune: you don't have it as a configuration option. you ahve it as a build optoin
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[16:57:00] rjune: option even
[16:57:00] rben: and, although I can watch live TV, it seems to have lost all my recorded programs
[16:57:00] Chutt: so every single setting should be changeable at build time?
[16:58:00] rjune: everything in the settings db should have a way to set a default without rebuilding the app
[16:58:00] Chutt: um
[16:58:00] Chutt: i don't think you understand how things work at all
[16:59:00] rjune: well, it looks for it's own config, if it doesn't have one, it defaults to a value set in the source
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[16:59:00] Chutt: and it does that at program start
[16:59:00] rjune: yup
[17:00:00] Chutt: so by recompiling the app, you don't change the defaults
[17:00:00] Chutt: unless you get rid of the setting in the table
[17:00:00] rjune: I want it to look for it's own config, if it doesnt' have one read the defaults from the db, if that fails then check the value in source
[17:00:00] Chutt: that's horribly dumb
[17:00:00] Chutt: why on earth should there be two sets of defaults?
[17:00:00] monkeyBox: I guess I should ask this question: Does mythtv work with the ivtv-0.2.0 drivers?
[17:00:00] rjune: there should only be one. it should never hit the source
[17:01:00] rjune: it shoould read it from the db
[17:01:00] Chutt: how the hell can it read it from the db if it's not in the db?
[17:01:00] rjune: the setup sequel file could set the defaults
[17:01:00] laga: monkeyBox: mine does.
[17:01:00] Chutt: so make it do that
[17:01:00] Chutt: then it won't use the value in the source
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[17:02:00] monkeyBox: laga: ok, just checking. still can't figure out why I get these errors...
[17:02:00] Chutt: that's a one liner you'd have to do
[17:02:00] rjune: that was my question. if I mod it to get defaults from db rather than source, would it be accepted as a valid mod
[17:02:00] Chutt: there's no 'modding' necessary
[17:03:00] rjune: I don't have to change the source to get it's default from the db? funny you just told me it got the defaults from the source and if I wanted to change it I had to change the source and delete the config form the trable
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[17:03:00] Chutt: wow, you're dense
[17:03:00] Chutt: let's go over how settings are initialized
[17:03:00] rjune: sure.
[17:03:00] Chutt: on program startup, it looks in the settings table
[17:03:00] rjune: right
[17:04:00] Chutt: for any settings that don't exist, but exist as objects in the source, it inserts them into the settings table
[17:04:00] rjune: for itself,
[17:04:00] Chutt: you seem to be missing the "that don't exist" bit.
[17:04:00] rjune: nope.
[17:04:00] Chutt: yes, you do
[17:04:00] rjune: I got that.
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[17:04:00] rjune: you're missing the user configurable defaults bit
[17:04:00] jvs: hey
[17:05:00] Chutt: why on earth should there be anything special for that?
[17:05:00] jvs: is there a way to move the tv-out picture? (using nvidia, fx5200)
[17:05:00] Chutt: all you have to do is run a one line sql thing before you run the frontend
[17:05:00] rjune: Chutt: one line / setting I want to set
[17:05:00] Chutt: and <gasp>, it'll never write the default that's in the source to the db
[17:06:00] rjune: Chutt: I want to insert one field / setting and have ALL frontends look there if they don't have a host specific version
[17:06:00] Chutt: all settings fall back to the 'null' host if there is no host specific version
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[17:07:00] rjune: ok, so if I do insert into settings("Theme", "G.A.N.T.", "null"); then all new frontends will use the gant theme?
[17:07:00] rjune: or is it insert into settings("Theme", "G.A.N.T.", ""); ?
[17:08:00] Chutt: nope
[17:08:00] Chutt: since the setting is defined as a host-based setting, and will be inserted into the database on program start
[17:08:00] Chutt: for that particular one, at least
[17:09:00] Chutt: all you have to do is dump your settings table
[17:09:00] rjune: and add the entries for a host
[17:09:00] Chutt: replace an existing hostname with the new one
[17:09:00] Chutt: and run the script
[17:09:00] Chutt: it'd take _maybe_ 30 seconds
[17:10:00] rjune: Chutt: that's really great for some people.
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[17:10:00] rjune: the other way taks about 5 seconds, total
[17:10:00] Chutt: but doesn't work for you, because....?
[17:10:00] Chutt: no, it doesn't
[17:10:00] rjune: because I don't want to dick with it every time I bring up a new host
[17:10:00] Chutt: so modify the defaults in the source
[17:10:00] Chutt: and use the same binaries
[17:11:00] rjune: Chutt: that's even worse
[17:11:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[17:11:00] Chutt: i've given you multiple ways of accomplishing exactly what you want
[17:11:00] rjune: no you haven't
[17:11:00] Chutt: sure i have
[17:12:00] rjune: I want to change the default without having to rebuild the app everytime I do it
[17:12:00] Chutt: so use a sql script
[17:12:00] rjune: that doesnt' change the default
[17:12:00] rjune: that sets it manually before the program is run
[17:12:00] Chutt: doesn't matter, since the defaults are only used if the settings don't exist
[17:12:00] Chutt: so in effect, it changes the default
[17:12:00] rjune: no.
[17:13:00] Chutt: how doesn't it?
[17:13:00] rjune: it sets the value prematurely
[17:13:00] rjune: it doesn't change the default
[17:13:00] Chutt: how's that prematurely?
[17:13:00] Chutt: if the default in the source is never used, how the _fuck_ is it not changing the default?
[17:13:00] rjune: prematurely is a bad word choice. ahead of time
[17:13:00] rjune: because you have to do it manually every time
[17:13:00] Chutt: add it to your install scripts
[17:13:00] rjune: I'm still doing it manually
[17:14:00] Chutt: you have to install the binaries manually every time
[17:14:00] rjune: yeah
[17:14:00] Chutt: but you're not bitching about that, i see
[17:14:00] rjune: no that makes sense
[17:14:00] rjune: if somebody else doesn't like my defaults then they can't change them
[17:14:00] Chutt: sure they can
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[17:14:00] Chutt: they can edit your script, or use the frontend
[17:14:00] rjune: they have to uninstall grab the source, rebuild and re-install
[17:14:00] laga: your defaults? tinkering with ltsp? ;)
[17:14:00] rjune: that doesnt' chang the default
[17:14:00] rjune: that chagnes the setting for that host
[17:15:00] Chutt: why does it matter what the default is, if it's never used?
[17:15:00] rjune: because I don't want to manually set it
[17:15:00] Chutt: if you're overriding it, what the hell's the difference?
[17:15:00] rjune: I want to change the default
[17:15:00] Chutt: ok
[17:15:00] Chutt: you want to change the default setting for something, but you don't want to do it manually.
[17:15:00] rjune: the difference is one way requires more effort then the other
[17:15:00] rjune: AND is less configurable
[17:15:00] Chutt: you want it to read your mind and know how you want it set
[17:16:00] rjune: nope
[17:16:00] Chutt: so you don't have to do any work, ever
[17:16:00] rjune: I wnat to set it once, in the db and not have to worry about it
[17:16:00] Chutt: sure as hell seems that way
[17:16:00] Chutt: so add it to your install scripts
[17:16:00] rjune: well, if I'm willing to make the change, obviously I'm willing to work for it
[17:16:00] rjune: that does nothing for other users.
[17:16:00] Chutt: sure it does
[17:16:00] Chutt: they can do exactly the same thing
[17:17:00] rjune: sigh beating my head againts a brick wall is more productive
[17:17:00] Chutt: heh
[17:17:00] laga: and more fun!
[17:17:00] laga: ;)
[17:17:00] Chutt: what would you want? the settings code to be maintained in two separate files?
[17:18:00] rjune: no
[17:18:00] rjune: I want the defaults to not be set in source
[17:18:00] Chutt: so whenever i add a setting to the source, i have to go add it elsewhere, too?
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[17:18:00] ** laga chews a gum **
[17:18:00] Chutt: so the text of the setting will be in one place, and the default value for it will be in another file?
[17:18:00] rjune: in the db actually
[17:19:00] Beirdo: that sounds counterproductive to me, rjune
[17:19:00] Chutt: how does it get into the db?
[17:19:00] rjune: Beirdo: not for many frontends
[17:19:00] Chutt: how does the setting get into the database?
[17:19:00] laga: rjune: how many frontends are ya going to have?
[17:20:00] rjune: laga: currently I have 5
[17:20:00] rjune: Chutt: the db setup script perhaps?
[17:20:00] rjune: or perhaps use the setting for localhost.localdomain
[17:20:00] Chutt: ok, so you _do_ want the text of the setting in one file, and the default value in another.
[17:20:00] Chutt: can you think of why that wouldn't work?
[17:21:00] Chutt: well, i'm assuming, since you already said that you can't run a db setup script for each frontend
[17:21:00] Chutt: since that's obviously be too much work
[17:21:00] rjune: Chutt: I said I didn't want to, not that I couldn't
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[17:22:00] Chutt: right, so we're back to you being too lazy to do things
[17:22:00] rjune: indeed.
[17:22:00] Chutt: even though you could add it to a script and it'd be done automatically
[17:22:00] Chutt: it's too difficult!
[17:23:00] rjune: sigh beating my head againts a brick wall is more productive
[17:23:00] Chutt: i really don't see how that doesn't do everything you want
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[17:23:00] rjune: Chutt: I'll send the patch
[17:23:00] Chutt: and i'll reject it
[17:23:00] Chutt: because it's dumb.
[17:23:00] ** rjune shrugs, that's your problem **
[17:24:00] Chutt: and i don't really see how you could patch it
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[17:25:00] Chutt: since the easiest way to do it would be to just disallow different settings on a frontend basis
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[17:25:00] Peit|work: Chutt, to revist the capture card on the master backend issue, does it have to have a channel list configured? (if so, i assume it doesn't have to share any channels with anything else?)
[17:25:00] Chutt: but you could do that anyway by just overriding the hostname in the mysql.txt file to be the same on each frontend, anyway
[17:25:00] Chutt: peit|work, it has to be a valid card
[17:25:00] Chutt: meaning, setup, with an input associated
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[17:26:00] Chutt: could have no channels defined, though
[17:26:00] Peit|work: ccol
[17:26:00] Peit|work: cool
[17:26:00] Peit|work: i'll throw in a wintv card in then.
[17:26:00] Chutt: i think you can probably just run mythjobqueue
[17:26:00] Chutt: though, instead of the backend
[17:26:00] Chutt: if you don't want it doing any recording
[17:26:00] Peit|work: ah, o.k.
[17:27:00] Peit|work: i think i've seen somethiing about that,
[17:27:00] Peit|work: so master backend on primary recorded with db on powerful box/transcoder with mythweb
[17:27:00] ** Peit|work looks for docs on mythjobqueue **
[17:28:00] Chutt: release notes, i believe
[17:28:00] Peit|work: 0.18?
[17:28:00] Chutt: dunno
[17:28:00] ** Peit|work looks for the release notes **
[17:29:00] Peit|work: do you mean the changelogs?
[17:29:00] Chutt: linked to from the announcements on the website, yeah
[17:29:00] Peit|work: k
[17:29:00] Peit|work: thanks chutt
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[17:33:00] sphing: my recording are all starting about 5 minutes early
[17:33:00] Chutt: fix your clock? =)
[17:33:00] rben: any chance of getting help on my problem?
[17:33:00] Peit|work: 5 mins pre-run configured in your record profile
[17:33:00] sphing: I did.. i ntp'ed before i recorded
[17:34:00] Peit|work: rben, you'd have more luck if you said what your problem was
[17:34:00] rben: Peit|work: I did, but got ignored. Thought I'd see if anyone was listening this time
[17:35:00] ** rjune is away: naptime **
[17:35:00] rben: I have the last stable version of KnoppMyth on my box
[17:35:00] ** Peit|work will have to experiment with mythjobqueue tonight **
[17:35:00] sphing: Chutt: any other ideas... time to record before start is set to 0
[17:35:00] rben: not the RA16 one
[17:35:00] Chutt: nope
[17:35:00] Peit|work: sphing, check all your record profiles
[17:35:00] Chutt: global pre-roll?
[17:35:00] rben: it was working yesterday, and now the backend keeps dying
[17:36:00] Peit|work: rben, hardware issue? have you tried backing up the db and re-installing?
[17:36:00] rben: I can watch live TV, if I start the backend manually, but not recordings
[17:36:00] sphing: Peit|work: I don't see any time settings in the record profiles... am I not in the righ tplace?
[17:36:00] rben: Peit|work: not yet
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[17:37:00] sphing: rben: are the recording just not there, or can you not watch them?
[17:37:00] rben: Peit|work: I was working on getting wireless networking to work yesterday and I've backed all those changes out, but still no joy
[17:37:00] rben: sphing: They are there
[17:37:00] sphing: are they old...
[17:37:00] sphing: like did you record them with the current knoppmyth?
[17:37:00] rben: sphing: made in the last three days
[17:37:00] rben: on the current version of KnoppMyth
[17:38:00] sphing: what happens when you trty to play them
[17:38:00] rben: I get a message saying that the front-end can't connect with backend
[17:39:00] rben: could not connect to master backend server ...
[17:39:00] sphing: after you get that message...you can stillw atch live tv?
[17:39:00] rben: let me check
[17:39:00] rben: nope, have to start backend manually to do that
[17:39:00] Chutt: you didn't change any hostnames around, did you?
[17:40:00] rben: I have two hostnames set up, one for each network card. Is it possible to use the same hostname for both addresses?
[17:40:00] rben: That is one change I haven't backed out yet
[17:41:00] rben: although, it seemed to be working fine yesterday
[17:41:00] Chutt: well, stuff like settings and where files are located are all keyed off of the hostname in the database
[17:41:00] sphing: ... two nic's on the same machine on the same network?
[17:41:00] Chutt: so if that changes, stuff kinda breaks =)
[17:41:00] rben: ok, but I haven't changed the original host name, tvbox
[17:42:00] rben: I just added an additional one, wltvbox
[17:42:00] Chutt: 'hostname' from a shell returns the same value as before, right?
[17:42:00] rben: yes sphing, I have two nics on the same box, one is wireless
[17:42:00] rben: I intend to move the box to the living room when all done setting it up
[17:42:00] rben: hostname still says tvbox
[17:43:00] Chutt: shouldn't be the problem, then
[17:43:00] sphing: rben: and the frontend can connect to the backend through both nics?
[17:43:00] Peit|work: as a test, is your wireless nic active?
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[17:43:00] rben: I haven't tested the frontend through the wireless yet
[17:43:00] Peit|work: try shutting it down so you only have one nic running and retest
[17:43:00] rben: right now the wireless is shut off
[17:44:00] rben: it's driver get's loaded, but the i/f is left down
[17:44:00] rben: I'll reboot clean, though, so we can take it from there
[17:45:00] rben: I had RA16 on, but my machine kept crashing with disk full
[17:45:00] rben: Are you guys runing with R5A16 or with an earlier version?
[17:46:00] rben: Okay, I'm rebooted
[17:46:00] rben: trying to watch Tv gives me blank screen
[17:47:00] rben: ps aux | grep myth shows that the backend seems to be running
[17:48:00] rben: so I go try to watch a recording, no message, but it comes right back after brief black screen to the recordings selection menu
[17:48:00] rben: ps aux still shows the backend running, which is strange, because I didn't think it was before
[17:49:00] kormoc: what is the name of the mythtv database rebuild script?
[17:49:00] rben: mythfilldatabase I think
[17:49:00] kormoc: no, that fills the channel info and what not
[17:49:00] kormoc: I'm intrested in the you lost the db that says this nuv goes to this show and all that and wanna rebuild that :)
[17:50:00] rben: then I have no idea
[17:50:00] Chutt: mythcommflag
[17:50:00] Chutt: oh, wrong one
[17:50:00] Chutt: but you'll need that, too
[17:50:00] Chutt: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl in contrib/
[17:50:00] Chutt: doesn't always work, though
[17:50:00] ** kormoc nods **
[17:51:00] rben: any suggestions for what I should try next?
[17:51:00] kormoc: it's weird, I have a bunch of .nuv.tmp files which don't have a .nuv couterpart, hence I'm gonna try to get them back in the db so I can see what they are.
[17:51:00] Chutt: rben, console output of the backend + frontend may shed some light on the issue
[17:52:00] Chutt: kormoc, failed transcodes, possible
[17:52:00] rben: Chutt: Where can I find that?
[17:52:00] Chutt: rben, run things from an xterm
[17:52:00] kormoc: Chutt, oddly, I don't transcode or anything.
[17:52:00] Chutt: i don't know anything about knoppix, so i don't know if they log stuff
[17:52:00] rben: Chutt: I did that for the backend, nothing very informative
[17:52:00] rben: I'll try again, though
[17:52:00] Chutt: worth a shot
[17:53:00] rben: what is wierd is that this tiem the backend is still running, but I still can't watch anything
[17:53:00] Chutt: heh
[17:53:00] rben: and now the frontend just crashed
[17:53:00] sphing: rben: i've lost track of whats enabled/disabled
[17:54:00] rben: the wireless card i/f is not enabled
[17:54:00] sphing: ok
[17:54:00] sphing: start at step one.. can you ping the backend
[17:54:00] rben: so everything should be just like it was when I reinstalled Knoppmyth, I've backed out just aboue everything I did
[17:54:00] rben: I'm ssh'd into the tvbox from my windows computer
[17:55:00] rben: so pinging isn't a problem
[17:55:00] rben: how many backends should be running?
[17:55:00] sphing: ... that doesn't mean the tvbox can communicate with the backend
[17:55:00] rben: and how many frontends?
[17:55:00] sphing: as many as you want for both
[17:55:00] rben: The frontend and backend both run on the tvbox
[17:56:00] sphing: ahh.. i thought you had 2 diff boxes
[17:56:00] rben: right now I see 12 backend processes
[17:56:00] sphing: cause its multithreaded
[17:56:00] rben: ahh, okay
[17:56:00] sphing: so... how about we close everything
[17:56:00] sphing: and start from the top
[17:57:00] rben: ah, I see
[17:57:00] sphing: anyone seen the BBS Documentary
[17:57:00] rben: I think I know what it might be
[17:57:00] rben: I had plugged in a small TV to the pvr-350... I wonder...
[17:58:00] rben: gonna be hard to debug the tv part if I can't plug it into a TV
[17:59:00] sphing: i've very confused
[17:59:00] sphing: *i'm
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[17:59:00] rben: I was planning on working on getting the TV OUT on the PVR 350 working next
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[18:00:00] travolta: rben, frontend and backend are on the same pc ?
[18:00:00] rben: so I bought a small personal DVD player to act as a tv.... that way I didn't have to lug tvbox into livingroom yet
[18:00:00] rben: yes travolta
[18:00:00] sphing: rben: you're trying to do like 5 things at once.
[18:00:00] travolta: it shows like one sec of tv then black screen?
[18:01:00] rben: no tv, just black screen then returns to i/f
[18:01:00] rben: except this time, when I rebooted, the backend wasn't running
[18:01:00] rben: this is bizarre
[18:01:00] rben: different behavior with each reboot
[18:01:00] jvs: anybody using a nvidia card for tv-out?
[18:01:00] epoch: I am
[18:01:00] sphing: rben: is it connected to a monitor
[18:02:00] jvs: epoch: I need to move the picture on the tv...is there a way to do this?
[18:02:00] rben: sphing: yes, the tvbox has a 15" lcd monitor that is used for both the frontend interface and displaying TV
[18:02:00] epoch: jvs: I believe so
[18:02:00] epoch: jvs: try running the nvidia-settings app, I think it has controls for that
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[18:02:00] jvs: epoch: overscan works fine, the picture is perfect...but I need to move it up a little bit
[18:02:00] ** xris is taking a poll.. how do people pronounce "nuvexport"? **
[18:02:00] sphing: rben: verify that the backend is running, then start the frontend
[18:02:00] jvs: epoch: I just see overscan there
[18:03:00] epoch: jvs: hmm
[18:03:00] travolta: new-v-export
[18:03:00] rben: sphing, the backend is down and the frontend is running
[18:03:00] epoch: pretty sure I saw somethign in there for that
[18:03:00] rben: that's the way it was when it came up I think
[18:03:00] hfb: Anyone here using the Hauppauge PVR 150/500 along with the Hayppuage PVR 250/350 in the same machine?
[18:03:00] Chutt: 'nuv', one syllable :p
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[18:03:00] xris: travolta: as in pronouncing th eV ?
[18:03:00] epoch: unfortunately Im' not at home so I can't test it out for you
[18:03:00] sphing: rben: that would be a good reason why you can't watch tv?
[18:03:00] jvs: I have emerged nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel
[18:03:00] rben: yeah, sphing, but the last time I rebooted, the backend came up, too... but I still couldn't watch.
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[18:03:00] xris: Chutt: nuhv or noov?
[18:03:00] Chutt: uh
[18:03:00] rben: let me reboot once more, see if anything changes
[18:03:00] epoch: hahahaah
[18:03:00] travolta: nu
[18:03:00] travolta: v
[18:03:00] jvs: there is no other package for special options I'd need...
[18:03:00] travolta: export
[18:04:00] sphing: rben: just manually start the backend?
[18:04:00] epoch: we need a "my name is linus and I pronounce linux as linux" type sample from chutt
[18:04:00] Chutt: it's not my format name, though
[18:04:00] Chutt: just how i say it
[18:04:00] rben: sphing: ok
[18:04:00] epoch: Chutt: people don't have to know that!
[18:04:00] xris: well, I've been spelling out the n-u-v, but it's annoying to say it out loud that way.
[18:05:00] xris: Chutt: and the one in mythtv *is* your format... at least to some degree.
[18:05:00] Chutt: yeah, i guess
[18:05:00] rben: okay, both are running
[18:05:00] rben: I can watch live TV
[18:05:00] Chutt: i still like that format
[18:05:00] Chutt: very simple, but no lameass limitations like avi
[18:06:00] rben: but I can't watch recordings
[18:06:00] Chutt: no complex parsing required
[18:06:00] xris: Chutt: my only complaint about it is that you guys kept the suffix for the mpeg files. causes no end of confusion for users.
[18:06:00] rjune: yeah, see why he hasn't called me
[18:06:00] Chutt: xris, yeah, but that simplified a _lot_ of code =)
[18:06:00] rjune: heh, wrong window
[18:06:00] xris: yes, I know.
[18:06:00] rben: ah, I think I have it
[18:06:00] rben: I think it's the recording
[18:06:00] xris: I'm still going to add bounty points to it if I ever get an lxmsuite acct.
[18:06:00] rben: because another one is working
[18:06:00] Chutt: though it wouldn't be as bad now
[18:06:00] sphing: rben... record something now.. and see what happens
[18:07:00] Chutt: filename's are much more centralized than they were originally
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[18:07:00] ** xris pokes gecko **
[18:07:00] xris: ah
[18:07:00] ** Peit|work thinks one of the nicest tools for dealing with nuvs is 'mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy' pitty there's some wierdness with it occasionally b0rking frames **
[18:07:00] rben: sphing: okay
[18:07:00] Chutt: it's because mplayer's nuv parser isn't really updated to what's in myth
[18:07:00] xris: Peit|work: that's because mythtv's nuv files are different than the standard that mplayer understands.
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[18:07:00] xris: and no one has updated the mplayer patch.
[18:08:00] Chutt: and the compression's ever so slightly different as well
[18:08:00] monkeyBox: grr... I can't figure this out. I've navigated the mailing lists and nothing really points to a solid answer. From what I can tell, the error is coming from ringbuffer.c, but I have to way of telling what caused it.
[18:08:00] xris: Beirdo is working on a much better nuv2avi converter, anyway.
[18:08:00] Chutt: avi's so horribly broken, though :(
[18:08:00] monkeyBox: It first says "taking too long to be allowed to read.."
[18:08:00] Beirdo: yeah, it is
[18:08:00] ** xris doesn't care anymore now that he has a pvr-150 **
[18:08:00] Chutt: have to add frames
[18:08:00] Beirdo: but such is life, unfortunately
[18:08:00] Chutt: get rid of vbr mp3s
[18:08:00] monkeyBox: and then repeats " Waited 4 seconds for data to become available, waiting again..." over and over
[18:08:00] Chutt: should use mov
[18:08:00] Beirdo: well, you can play tricks with the audio
[18:08:00] Chutt: or mp4 (which is still mov)
[18:08:00] xris: mov would be interesting. but isn't it patent-encumbered?
[18:09:00] Beirdo: mov is next on the list actually
[18:09:00] Chutt: yup
[18:09:00] rben: sphing: it's recording now
[18:09:00] Chutt: could just fix the mpeg2 encoding :p
[18:09:00] Beirdo: once I have the resync algorithm ready, it should be a breeze to do.
[18:10:00] ** Peit|work wonders if there will be an updated mplayer patch (or if nuvexport will ever support the stripping of the .avi out of the .nuv) **
[18:10:00] Chutt: there is no avi in the nuv :p
[18:10:00] Beirdo: I had it SO close with 0.0.2
[18:10:00] xris: Peit|work: read what I just said. nuv2avi
[18:10:00] Chutt: avi's busted
[18:10:00] Beirdo: but then when I pulled the re-encode thread into two, I busted it good
[18:10:00] Chutt: the main issue with it is that it doesn't have frame-level timestamps
[18:10:00] rben: I can watch what it's recording now just fine
[18:10:00] Beirdo: aye
[18:10:00] Chutt: so it assumes that every single frame is exactly the same amount of time from the previous one
[18:11:00] Beirdo: yup
[18:11:00] xris: that's annoying.
[18:11:00] Chutt: which doesn't really happen with live-tv recordings
[18:11:00] Beirdo: and adjust the audio to match
[18:11:00] Chutt: and it really assumes that audio packets are a fixed size
[18:11:00] Chutt: you can kinda work around that, but it sucks
[18:11:00] Beirdo: yeah. a crappy format, but it's the one that almost all editors support
[18:11:00] Beirdo: .mov is much nicer of a format
[18:11:00] xris: I'd be oh so cool with lossless mpeg2 transcoding. heh. even with an external program. but all of them require GOP cutting.
[18:11:00] rben: sphing: okay, I deleted the corrupted files
[18:12:00] Peit|work: ah, sorry xris missed your nuv2avi line
[18:12:00] Chutt: if gopchop just respected the audio timestamps
[18:12:00] Beirdo: xris: not avidemux... :) when I get time, that puppy's getting de-gtk'd
[18:12:00] Chutt: and rewrote the timestamps for a gap, it'd be fine
[18:12:00] rben: so now I'm going to reboot once more and see if the backend starts properly
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[18:13:00] Chutt: it's not _that_ difficult to do
[18:13:00] Peit|work: out of intrest, how fast is nuv2avi? mencoder appears to be pretty much i/o bound, with little CPU overhead
[18:13:00] xris: Beirdo: yeah, but your thing requires LVE which doesn't seem to like something about fc3 and later.
[18:13:00] rben: btw, does anyone have R5A16 working well for them?
[18:13:00] Beirdo: no no no
[18:13:00] Beirdo: I'll be ripping that crap out too
[18:13:00] xris: oh, good, good
[18:14:00] Beirdo: but one thing at a time
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[18:14:00] ** Peit|work looks at beirdo **
[18:15:00] Beirdo: very very fast
[18:15:00] Beirdo: like 200+ fps
[18:15:00] Beirdo: all it's doing is repackaging the data
[18:15:00] Peit|work: (i'm curious to know if it's doing a stream copy with fixes or a transcode, as my understanding is that the mencoder method is pretty much a stream copy)
[18:15:00] Peit|work: oh cool
[18:15:00] Peit|work: that's funky then
[18:15:00] Beirdo: with a minimal reencode of audio where necessary
[18:15:00] Peit|work: :)
[18:15:00] Peit|work: if you want someone to test it..
[18:16:00] Beirdo: http://trac.beirdo.ca/nuvtools
[18:16:00] Beirdo: http://trac.beirdo.ca/projects/nuvtools
[18:16:00] Beirdo: sorry
[18:16:00] rben: sphinx: things seem to be working alright again, thanks. I'm sure I'll have it broken again soon
[18:16:00] Beirdo: the current version ain't perfect, as I'm trying to add transcoding for RT-JPEG and managed to mess up AV sync in the process
[18:17:00] Beirdo: v0.0.2 is decent for MPEG4 though, you can find it on http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/nuvtools/
[18:17:00] Peit|work: o.k. i'll test it later tonight
[18:17:00] Peit|work: thanks
[18:17:00] ** Peit|work should have headed home 20 mins ago **
[18:17:00] ** Beirdo shoulda had lunch an hour and 20 min ago **
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[18:18:00] monkeyBox: bleh.. I shouldn't have bothered upgrading to 0.18.1
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[18:19:00] sphing: Beirdo: can I ask a general C question?
[18:20:00] Beirdo: I'm sure you can
[18:20:00] sphing: *may
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[18:20:00] Beirdo: nobody's stopping you :)
[18:20:00] sphing: when i was taught C i was always taught with fork() not with pthreads... is there any reason you use pthreads?
[18:20:00] Beirdo: and you aren't interrupting anything, so you might as well
[18:21:00] Beirdo: yes
[18:21:00] Beirdo: pthreads is more efficient
[18:21:00] sphing: ahh ok..
[18:21:00] Chutt: threads and processes are completely different
[18:21:00] Beirdo: fork creates multiple processes, and interprocess communications is a PITA
[18:21:00] sphing: ... yea it is
[18:21:00] Beirdo: pthreads creates multiple threads with well defined inter-thread communication methods
[18:21:00] Beirdo: completely different ways of doing things
[18:22:00] rben: threads have much less overhead
[18:22:00] Beirdo: you can do much the same stuff using shared memory and semaphores with fork. but BLECH is that ever a pain
[18:22:00] Chutt: but they're harder to do properly
[18:22:00] kormoc: too bad php doesn't support pthreads.
[18:23:00] Beirdo: yeah, considerably harder
[18:23:00] Beirdo: pthreads is nice once you wrap the brain around it
[18:23:00] Beirdo: and scales nicely with multiple CPUs
[18:23:00] Beirdo: depending on how you synchronize your threads, of course
[18:24:00] sphing: hmm ok.. ill take a look some tutorials... i've just always used fork in my very limited C programmin
[18:24:00] Beirdo: it takes a while to get used to pthreads, but I'm happy with it.
[18:24:00] Beirdo: well, threading in general
[18:25:00] Beirdo: Anyways, I'm gonna go have lunch
[18:25:00] sphing: ok thanks
[18:25:00] ** kormoc waves **
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[18:27:00] travolta: looking for help with nuvexport/lvemux, trying to do mpeg2->mpeg2 with commercials cut. getting a problem with lvemux in mpeg2cut script. getting error: Illegal instruction
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[18:29:00] travolta: googling "lvemux illegal instruction" gave nothing
[18:31:00] travolta: looked at mpeg2cut and its pooping out on the command "nice -n 19 lvemux -r -1 -sh ${OFFSET} -v ${BASENAME}.m2v -a ${BASENAME}.mp2 -o "${OUTFILE}""
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[18:32:00] monkeyBox: what can I do to troubleshoot these errors while trying to watch tv on the frontend? "taking too long to be allowed to read.." and " Waited 4 seconds for data to become available, waiting again..." over and over?
[18:32:00] sphing: is there anyway to forward the sound to another computer?
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[18:34:00] travolta: sphing, you should be getting sound on the frontend if youre getting video
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[18:34:00] sphing: no no... i have the frontend in my living room.. and the backend in my room
[18:34:00] travolta: yea
[18:34:00] travolta: so whats the problem?
[18:34:00] sphing: when i'm in my room... i can run another frontend on the backend syste... but the backend has no soundcard
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[18:35:00] sphing: so if i could forward the sound to my other computer... i could have another frontend for me room
[18:35:00] sphing: *my room (what i'm irish i didn't even know it)
[18:35:00] rah: is the dvb channel configuration in cvs in flux at the moment?
[18:35:00] rah: it seems to be decidedly not doing anything
[18:36:00] sphing: like could i mount my other computer's /dev/dsp with NFS on the backend... and output the sound like like that?
[18:36:00] rah: no
[18:37:00] travolta: but then the sound wouldn't be in the same physical room as you?
[18:37:00] rah: device files don't work like that
[18:37:00] sphing: .. no i to the machine that is in my room
[18:37:00] sphing: (another computer... not the frontend)
[18:37:00] sphing: just an idea...
[18:37:00] travolta: so just move the sound card :)
[18:37:00] sphing: yea i guess i could
[18:37:00] sphing: lol
[18:38:00] travolta: wait.
[18:38:00] travolta: why not just run the frontend on the pc with the sound card ?
[18:38:00] sphing: (its my old laptop with a 4 gig HD)
[18:38:00] sphing: (VERY old)
[18:40:00] sphing: travolta: I just remembered why i couldn't find the soundcard on the backend... i disabled it in bios
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[18:47:00] Dibblah: Rah: DVB works for me, but I'm about 2 weeks off current CVS.
[18:48:00] Dibblah: What are you seeing?
[18:48:00] rah: Dibblah: I'm seeing it do nothing
[18:48:00] rah: as in, when it should start scanning, it doesn't
[18:49:00] rah: Dibblah: do you have the option in the UI of importing a channels.conf file?
[18:51:00] Majestic12: well I have knoppix mythtv running but all I have is static
[18:52:00] sphing: anybody seen the BBS Documentary?
[18:52:00] rben: going to go bbreak things again, thanks guys
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[19:06:00] Chutt: Please, please tell me my last email (my only one to the myth-users list) didn't go through?
[19:06:00] GreyFoxx: haahah
[19:07:00] Chutt: Sweet baby Jebus I think I now loathe gmail. Why doesn't "reply" mean "reply to an author's message" and not "reply to the discussion to which the author of the in-focus message sent their message"?
[19:07:00] Chutt: Please tell me I haven't just made a fool of myself in front of the whole Internet. Please?
[19:08:00] kormoc: Chutt, it's based on the reply_to header
[19:08:00] rjune: I won't tell you
[19:08:00] kormoc: Chutt, some mailing lists set it to the list post url, some don't.
[19:09:00] Chutt: mine does
[19:09:00] Chutt: i just thought that was funny
[19:10:00] kormoc: indeed it is :P
[19:10:00] LedHed: anyone using the ATRPMS for FC4?
[19:12:00] rjune: LedHed: I rebuilt mythtv from those srpms
[19:12:00] rjune: you want the URL?
[19:13:00] LedHed: no
[19:13:00] LedHed: I just installed FC4 and there isn't a kickstart
[19:13:00] LedHed: so I did: yum install apt
[19:13:00] LedHed: but there isn't anything in my source.list
[19:14:00] rjune: LedHed: I don't think atrpms for fc4 is ready yet
[19:16:00] LedHed: there is a FC4 section on the website
[19:16:00] LedHed: with RPM's available for download
[19:16:00] rjune: yeah
[19:17:00] rjune: I only found srpms for mythtv
[19:17:00] rjune: I generally avoid atrpms anyway though
[19:18:00] LedHed: what is the difference between yum and apt?
[19:19:00] travolta: suse and redhat?
[19:19:00] LedHed: they do the same thing?
[19:19:00] travolta: i've never used either
[19:19:00] LedHed: ah
[19:20:00] LedHed: I've always use Apt. but FC4 comes with Yum.
[19:20:00] rjune: LedHed: all fc comes with yum
[19:21:00] rjune: LedHed: apt is a port of debians tool, yum is written for rpm.
[19:21:00] rjune: really they do about the same thing
[19:21:00] rjune: I've never found a whole lot of difference
[19:21:00] LedHed: both handel dep's
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[19:23:00] LedHed: can I configure yum to use ATRPMS?
[19:24:00] rjune: yeah
[19:24:00] LedHed: cool
[19:24:00] LedHed: time to learn yum
[19:24:00] rjune: what do you use atrpms for?
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[19:24:00] hfb: Time to use apt-get
[19:24:00] LedHed: ??
[19:25:00] LedHed: I use ATRPMS for Myth and other stuff
[19:25:00] LedHed: like lm_sensors etc...
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[19:42:00] LedHed: in FC4 or 2.6 kernel, what happened to modules.conf?
[19:43:00] laga: modprobe.conf
[19:43:00] LedHed: so modprobe.conf in 2.6 does the same thing as modules.conf in 2.4?
[19:44:00] laga: i think so. man modprobe.conf
[19:44:00] LedHed: good idea
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[20:01:00] rben: I'm baaack
[20:02:00] rben: I'm getting an error in mythbackend.log: QSettings: error creating /.qt
[20:02:00] laga: \o/
[20:02:00] laga: rben: that's normal, don't worry
[20:02:00] rben: and then QSettings::snc: filename is null/empty
[20:02:00] rben: maybe, but for some reason I can watch videos but not TV now
[20:02:00] laga: well, that's a problem, probably – i haven't seen that one yet.
[20:02:00] rben: my system seems to be determined to drive me insane
[20:03:00] laga: so is my whole life ;)
[20:03:00] rben: I also get stuff like error reading from /dev/video
[20:03:00] rben: read: input/output error
[20:04:00] rben: Unable to write to client socket, as it's no longer there
[20:04:00] laga: well.
[20:04:00] laga: what kind of video card?
[20:04:00] laga: sorry.
[20:04:00] laga: tv card.
[20:04:00] rben: PVR-350
[20:04:00] rben: I really hope my card hasn't been trashed
[20:04:00] laga: try cat /dev/video > /dev/null
[20:05:00] rben: no errors, just went off into happy copying land
[20:05:00] rben: nope
[20:05:00] rben: spoke too soon
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[20:05:00] laga: well, fix your ivtv stuff then
[20:05:00] rben: cat: /dev/video: Input/output error
[20:05:00] hfb: Anyone here using the Hauppauge PVR 150/500 along with the Hayppuage PVR 250/350 in the same machine? I'm about to install the 150 along side my 250, but I was wondering if anyone had any problems or issues. Yes I do know that I need the cvs version of the ivtv drivers.
[20:06:00] rben: this was all working yesterday
[20:06:00] laga: rben: look at dmesg
[20:06:00] hfb: I do have the 150 installed in a test machine and it is working, but I have not combined the two cards yet.
[20:06:00] rben: and I havent' messed with ivtv
[20:06:00] laga: rben: dude, this ain't computer science, it's more like voodoo
[20:06:00] rben: crap, all kinds of messages from ivtv
[20:07:00] rben: 100 ms timeout waiting for firmware
[20:07:00] laga: heh.
[20:07:00] rben: my card is smoked isn't it?
[20:07:00] laga: you don't have the firmware, obviously. or hotplug or something else went nuts
[20:07:00] laga: laga@hanomag:~$ ls -al /lib/modules/ivtv*
[20:07:00] laga: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 262144 2005-06–13 16:22 /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-dec.bin
[20:07:00] laga: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 262144 2005-06–13 16:22 /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin
[20:07:00] laga: laga@hanomag:~$
[20:08:00] laga: that's how mine looks
[20:08:00] rben: Earlier I tried to hook up a personal DVR to the card, using rca jacks
[20:08:00] rben: now I wonder if it fried the card
[20:08:00] laga: you'll still need the firmware.
[20:09:00] rben: I got the same thing you just put up there
[20:09:00] rben: both bin files
[20:09:00] laga: tried a reboot yet? a cold restart would be even better
[20:10:00] rben: I've rebooted innumerable times
[20:10:00] rben: I'll try cold start
[20:10:00] JohnnyQuest: mythv isnt launching mplayeer when i play dvds
[20:10:00] JohnnyQuest: it just pauses for a second when i click on play dvd
[20:10:00] laga: it's possible that some things in the card get mixed up and you'd need a cold boot to get it right again
[20:11:00] JohnnyQuest: and then just goes back to the optical disk screen and nothing happens
[20:11:00] rben: I hope so
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[20:11:00] laga: rben: good luck ;)
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[20:12:00] rben: thanks laga
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[20:21:00] unlord: hello
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[20:23:00] JohnnyQuest: hello
[20:23:00] unlord: what sorts of things exist for auto organizing videos and meta data
[20:25:00] rjune: unlord: nothing
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[20:26:00] sphing: does nuv hold the meta data?
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[20:29:00] bin-doph: hi
[20:29:00] travolta: hi
[20:29:00] bin-doph: can somebody advice me, how I can get the output from mythtv to my television, please?
[20:30:00] Majestic12: Im at the watch TV screen how do I get back to the configurations screen?
[20:30:00] sphing: Esc?
[20:30:00] sphing: bin-doph: whats your setup?
[20:31:00] Majestic12: sphing: that just lets me exit
[20:31:00] bin-doph: sphing: wintv pvr-350
[20:31:00] sphing: bin-doph: I dont know i have a 250
[20:31:00] bin-doph: sphing: how do you get that to work?
[20:32:00] sphing: Majestic12: o you're not watcing tv
[20:32:00] bin-doph: is that somewhere in the docs?
[20:32:00] sphing: bin-doph: did you read above
[20:32:00] travolta: bin-doph, yes, there is a tutorial with pvr350
[20:32:00] travolta: with tv out
[20:34:00] bin-doph: travolta: are you talking about that http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.1 ?
[20:35:00] travolta: maybe
[20:35:00] travolta: i've seen many examples with tv out for pvr350
[20:35:00] bin-doph: I didn't
[20:35:00] bin-doph: I think I'm missing something in my x-config
[20:35:00] bin-doph: but I dont know whta
[20:35:00] bin-doph: what
[20:36:00] bin-doph: and I dont know how to insert the output to the fb-dev
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[20:36:00] bin-doph: currently my tv is just showing colored-lines, which means something is working but not what I want
[20:38:00] travolta: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:fEEPyh1_ . . . nf&hl=en heres an example
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[20:39:00] bin-doph: thx
[20:40:00] travolta: that was the first hit in google with the search terms: pvr-350 xorg.conf
[20:40:00] travolta: :)
[20:42:00] bin-doph: there are a lot of variants of those keywords
[20:43:00] bin-doph: well, maybe it's not my x-config :(
[20:43:00] travolta: maybe its the ivtv drivers
[20:44:00] bin-doph: "ivtv-osd: ERROR: Direct writing is not safe for ivtv usage"?
[20:45:00] bin-doph: well they load fine and the devices are created
[20:46:00] bin-doph: if I unload ivtv screen knocks out, if I load it it gets black and after loading ivtv_fb I get those strange colored lines
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[20:49:00] P3ace: Moin
[20:49:00] sphing: Beirdo you there?
[20:50:00] Beirdo: no
[20:50:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:50:00] Beirdo: what's up?
[20:50:00] sphing: just out of curiousity... whats the uptime on your server
[20:50:00] Beirdo: which server?
[20:50:00] sphing: file
[20:50:00] Beirdo: hmm?
[20:50:00] Beirdo: the fileserver?
[20:50:00] sphing: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/myMyth/fileserver.php
[20:50:00] Majestic12: I have no pic just static
[20:51:00] P3ace: Does my Hercules Smart TV Satellite works with (Debian/Sarge Kernel 2.6.8) MythTV?
[20:51:00] Beirdo: currently 19 days
[20:51:00] Beirdo: there was a power glitch just as I went on vacation
[20:51:00] sphing: how much video you got on there
[20:51:00] Beirdo: before that was 188 days
[20:52:00] Beirdo: I dunno, 50 shows or so for the production PVR, about the same for the development one
[20:52:00] P3ace: Can someone help me?
[20:52:00] Beirdo: P3ace: google.
[20:52:00] sphing: P3ace: I got no idea... I image it would
[20:52:00] Beirdo: if there are working Linux drivers, then it likely will work with mythtv
[20:52:00] Beirdo: as a general rule
[20:53:00] P3ace: I have googled!
[20:53:00] sphing: its a satelite box right?
[20:53:00] P3ace: yes
[20:54:00] sphing: _not_ a capture card
[20:54:00] P3ace: yes
[20:54:00] sphing: why wouldn't it work?
[20:55:00] Beirdo: Oh, an external box... connected how?
[20:55:00] Beirdo: by svideo?
[20:55:00] P3ace: a sorry
[20:55:00] P3ace: its an internal tv card
[20:55:00] P3ace: over PCI
[20:55:00] Beirdo: then go look for Linux drivers for it
[20:56:00] sphing: P3ace: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hercule . . . TV_Satellite
[20:56:00] Beirdo: sphing: you can let him drive the google, ya know. only way people will learn to look for themselves
[20:56:00] P3ace: I know thias page ;)
[20:57:00] P3ace: But i didn't know if it works with MythTV
[20:57:00] sphing: <Beirdo> if there are working Linux drivers, then it likely will work with mythtv
[20:57:00] Beirdo: if it has working DVB drivers, then there's a damn good chance :)
[20:57:00] P3ace: yes here you tell me thats ok ;) but before i did not know it
[20:58:00] Beirdo: there is DVB driver support in MythTV
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[21:12:00] rjune: sphing: that card take Dish feeds?
[21:13:00] Majestic12: looks like my capture card is found but I get colored static anyone have a solution?
[21:15:00] sphing: no idea
[21:15:00] sphing: Majestic12: 1. make sure the cable is plugged in
[21:15:00] sphing: secondly make sure you're onthe right input
[21:17:00] Majestic12: I've tried tuner0 and tuner1
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[21:18:00] Majestic12: I think the tuner is being identified but I cnaa't seem to grab the signal
[21:20:00] mocker: Woo, my first movie from netflix just arrived.
[21:21:00] ** Beirdo mocks mocker **
[21:21:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:21:00] Beirdo: which one did ya get?
[21:21:00] mocker: Spanglish.
[21:21:00] Beirdo: hehe, not bad
[21:22:00] mocker: Have you seen it?
[21:22:00] Beirdo: not yet
[21:22:00] Beirdo: keep meaning to though
[21:22:00] abarbaccia: k31th_, hey, you there?
[21:23:00] mocker: Do you use Netflix?
[21:23:00] Beirdo: no, I don't think they do Canada
[21:23:00] mocker: Ahh.
[21:23:00] Beirdo: which of course just sucks, but such is life
[21:24:00] mocker: I've become addicted to ranking movies. :)
[21:24:00] mocker: I'm up to around 210 rankings and I've been signed up for 3 days.
[21:24:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:26:00] Beirdo: athough they don't specifically say it, it seems
[21:27:00] abarbaccia: hey, anybody here use ubuntu – im having an lircd problem
[21:27:00] mocker: I use Ubuntu.
[21:27:00] mocker: I had to compile lircd from scratch.
[21:27:00] mocker: deb didn't work.
[21:27:00] Beirdo: I use ubuntu, but not lirc
[21:28:00] Beirdo: fire her
[21:28:00] abarbaccia: mocker, same here – now im having trouble getting lircd daemon to stay running at boottome
[21:28:00] abarbaccia: boottime
[21:28:00] abarbaccia: can you help me out and give me a copy of your /etc/init.d/lirc file
[21:29:00] abarbaccia: for some reason it only likes to start from that script and none others
[21:29:00] JohnnyQuest: i cant get my lirc to work other than in the terminal
[21:30:00] mocker: abarbaccia: I don't think I changed anything in my lirc startup file.
[21:30:00] mocker: Are you watching your /var/log/lircd file?
[21:32:00] abarbaccia: mocker, yes – but i deleted that file!
[21:32:00] mocker: Ahh.
[21:33:00] JohnnyQuest: ill see what mine says mocker
[21:33:00] JohnnyQuest: not mocker..
[21:33:00] abarbaccia: damn, now where did that download to...
[21:34:00] JohnnyQuest: mine is empty
[21:34:00] JohnnyQuest: if that is supposed to have stuff in it...that might explain my lirc not working...
[21:35:00] abarbaccia: JohnnyQuest, yea, its susposed to
[21:35:00] JohnnyQuest: hmm
[21:35:00] abarbaccia: join #ubuntu-mythtv and i'll paste it
[21:36:00] mocker: The first thing I did was make sure it was working from command line.
[21:36:00] mocker: After that it's cake. ;)
[21:36:00] JohnnyQuest: mine is workign in the command line
[21:36:00] JohnnyQuest: but ic ant get lirc working anywerhe else..
[21:36:00] JohnnyQuest: just in the terminal
[21:36:00] mocker: And irw sees your remote signals?
[21:36:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[21:36:00] mocker: coo.
[21:36:00] JohnnyQuest: but mythtv doesnt do anything with them
[21:37:00] JohnnyQuest: ill brb, i cant find the remote
[21:37:00] JohnnyQuest: nm
[21:37:00] JohnnyQuest: i found it
[21:37:00] abarbaccia: JohnnyQuest, myth tv not doing anything is having to do with your lirc file
[21:37:00] abarbaccia: lirc.conf i think
[21:38:00] abarbaccia: mocker, if you could, check to see if there is a lircd file as well, i dont think there is – but always better safe than sorry
[21:38:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[21:38:00] JohnnyQuest: ill look at that
[21:40:00] JohnnyQuest: which file was that that you just gave me? /etc/init.d/lirc?
[21:40:00] JohnnyQuest: or is this the /var/log/lircd file?
[21:41:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont hve either of them on here...
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[21:48:00] abarbaccia: mocker, can you check you /etc/rc2.d/and see what the startup level of lirc is susposed to be?
[21:49:00] mocker: S19
[21:49:00] monkeyBox: ok, I'm gonna try and put my problem out here again and see if anyone can help :-) Gotta get mythtv up and running before my wife gets home and wants to watch her soaps!
[21:49:00] monkeyBox: (Hell hath no fury... yada yada)
[21:49:00] abarbaccia: thanks!
[21:50:00] monkeyBox: basically, I just upgraded my server and frontend to ver. 0.18.1. I can play recordings on the server's mythfrontend program, but on my frontend box I can't. When I try to play a recording or watch livetv, The screen just stays black for awhile, and this what I get in the terminal:
[21:50:00] JohnnyQuest: my lircd.conf is correct..
[21:50:00] monkeyBox: taking too long to be allowed to read..
[21:51:00] monkeyBox: Waited 4 seconds for data to become available, waiting again...
[21:51:00] monkeyBox: ...and over and over
[21:51:00] monkeyBox: I posted the full output here: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5231
[21:51:00] JohnnyQuest: any thing before taht?
[21:52:00] mocker: Try running the mythfrontend program as root.
[21:52:00] monkeyBox: mocker: hmm.. haven't tried that. I'll give it a shot
[21:53:00] mocker: Well, run it with sudo. ;)
[21:54:00] JohnnyQuest: any ideas about my lirc?
[21:55:00] monkeyBox: dang.. I also get this error at random times...
[21:55:00] abarbaccia: URGH!!! WTF – the damn lircd will NOT remain running – it always gets killed and its so frusturating
[21:55:00] monkeyBox: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[21:56:00] monkeyBox: ReadStringList timeout (quick).
[21:56:00] JohnnyQuest: make sure the ips are correct?
[21:56:00] monkeyBox: Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION
[21:56:00] mocker: abarbaccia: Does it die when you first try to connect?
[21:56:00] abarbaccia: mocker, once im booted up, i can run my lircd commands no problem – but its getting them to run at boot
[21:56:00] monkeyBox: all the ips are correct, and the versions are the same (0.18.1)
[21:57:00] abarbaccia: it was working then i messed around with getting the irblaster to work and now they work by running lircd and the rest, but not at boot
[21:57:00] abarbaccia: im gonna try a few things, and i'll let ya know how it goes
[21:57:00] mocker: abarbaccia: Hah.
[21:57:00] mocker: I guess I cheated.
[21:57:00] mocker: I just grepped my history file and found this:
[21:57:00] JohnnyQuest: where did that file go that you gave me pastebin?
[21:57:00] mocker: echo "/usr/local/sbin/lircd -d /dev/lirc0" >> /etc/rc.local
[21:57:00] mocker: Soooo...
[21:57:00] mocker: ;)
[21:58:00] abarbaccia: i think i'm going to be doing that in about 2 minutes
[21:58:00] abarbaccia: hell, i'll put all my daemons in there
[21:59:00] monkeyBox: wierd... looks like the backend could be crashing. Damn!!
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[22:02:00] monkeyBox: hmm.. nope, it's not crashed, but now the frontend can't communicate with it? wtf?
[22:02:00] abarbaccia: lets see what happens when its in rc.local
[22:03:00] monkeyBox: when I restart mythbackend, now I can connect... however, I still get these errors when trying to watch a recording.. at least THAT's consistent
[22:03:00] monkeyBox: even as root
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[22:04:00] JohnnyQuest: when i play dvds, i dont get sound....
[22:05:00] abarbaccia: JohnnyQuest, killall esd before you start myth
[22:05:00] JohnnyQuest: it says somethign about pening audio decoder: [hwac3] AC3/DTS pass-through S/PDIF
[22:05:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont use s/pdif..
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[22:06:00] JohnnyQuest: no processes killed
[22:07:00] JohnnyQuest: myth is working perfectly except for the dvd playback sound and remote :(
[22:07:00] monkeyBox: JohnnyQuest: Do you have the S/PDIF passthrough setting enabled in setup?
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[22:08:00] monkeyBox: make sure it's disabled if you don't use it :-p
[22:08:00] equant: Does anyone have Mythtv running on a Mac Mini?
[22:09:00] JohnnyQuest: umm
[22:09:00] JohnnyQuest: i have no idea
[22:09:00] equant: It's cheap, small and silent.
[22:09:00] equant: It would be nice.
[22:09:00] JohnnyQuest: i wasnt responding to you, equant
[22:09:00] JohnnyQuest: that would be nice tho
[22:10:00] JohnnyQuest: i have a big loud pc for mine
[22:10:00] Chutt: and slow + pricey
[22:11:00] mocker: They have a frontend for OS X.
[22:11:00] JohnnyQuest: where is the s/pdif passthrogh setting?
[22:11:00] mocker: But they have a frontend for XBox too, and that's cheaper. :)
[22:12:00] monkeyBox: JohnnyQuest: just a sec lemme see if I can find it
[22:12:00] JohnnyQuest: k
[22:14:00] monkeyBox: JohnnyQuest: Setup->General
[22:14:00] monkeyBox: 3rd page
[22:15:00] monkeyBox: "Enable AC3 to SPDIF passthrough"
[22:24:00] JohnnyQuest: that wasnt enabled
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[22:26:00] monkeyBox: hmm.. not sure then :-(
[22:27:00] KungFu: mysql -u root < mc.sql
[22:27:00] KungFu: ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)
[22:28:00] monkeyBox: Where do I sign up so I can post to the mailing list
[22:28:00] Beirdo: you go to the website
[22:29:00] monkeyBox: Beirdo: is it the gossomer-threads.com site?
[22:29:00] Beirdo: argh
[22:29:00] Beirdo: www.mythtv.org
[22:29:00] Beirdo: read the topic already :)
[22:30:00] KungFu: hmmm. it must be something easy, I know – it's always easy if you know how to ;)
[22:30:00] monkeyBox: KungFu: umm you need to supply a password for root: mysql -u root -p
[22:31:00] Beirdo: you likely setup a mysql password for the root user
[22:31:00] Beirdo: when you setup mysql
[22:31:00] KungFu: yes. I must change it I think
[22:31:00] Beirdo: use the -p like monkeyBox said, then type in the password when prompted
[22:32:00] KungFu: 2005-06–16 23:10:32.413 New DB connection, total: 1
[22:32:00] KungFu: 2005-06–16 23:10:32.417 Unable to connect to database!
[22:32:00] KungFu: 2005-06–16 23:10:32.417 Driver error was [1/1045]:
[22:32:00] KungFu: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[22:32:00] KungFu: Database error was:
[22:32:00] KungFu: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[22:32:00] KungFu: that's what I get for "mythfrontend"
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[22:34:00] Beirdo: you need to put in *successfully* the mc.sql file
[22:34:00] KungFu: that's what I'm trying to do
[22:34:00] KungFu: (was not obvious, huh?)
[22:34:00] Beirdo: so why are you running the backend?
[22:35:00] KungFu: er.. I restarted the computer
[22:35:00] KungFu: must be auto
[22:35:00] KungFu: I stop it, OK?
[22:35:00] ** Beirdo shakes his head... **
[22:35:00] Beirdo: yeah
[22:35:00] Beirdo: stop the backend
[22:35:00] Beirdo: why people insist on rebooting Linux boxes, I'll never know
[22:36:00] KungFu: could not re-logininto KDE – forget it...
[22:36:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:36:00] KungFu: killall -9 myth*?
[22:36:00] Beirdo: KDE...
[22:36:00] Beirdo: use ps to find out the process id then kill it
[22:38:00] KungFu: ps -A|grep myth -> nothing
[22:40:00] KungFu: so – how to put the mc.sql file into?
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[22:42:00] GeckoFiend: if "mysql -u root < mc.sql" fails than you need to use "mysql -u root -p < mc.sql"
[22:43:00] KungFu: ERROR 1007 at line 1: Can't create database 'mythconverg'. Database exists
[22:43:00] GeckoFiend: sounds like you've already imported the mc.sql file then
[22:44:00] KungFu: so – why the errors when mythfrontend?
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[22:44:00] mocker: Beirdo: Have you done much work with mkv files?
[22:45:00] Beirdo: what are those?
[22:45:00] mocker: Matroska video containers.
[22:45:00] Beirdo: never heard of it
[22:45:00] mocker: That would be a no then. :)
[22:46:00] KungFu: what do I do now?
[22:46:00] ** KungFu clueless **
[22:47:00] GeckoFiend: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' indciates that your mythtv user doesn't have permisson to connect to the database hence the "access denied" portion
[22:47:00] KungFu: so?
[22:48:00] ** KungFu wonders why to read a mysql book in order to watch TV ;) **
[22:50:00] GeckoFiend: KungFu no but you do have to follow instructions
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[22:50:00] KungFu: I followed inst. from someone – I'm on debian here and the original mythtv debs are incompatible due to Ubunty messings
[22:52:00] KungFu: mysql -u root mysql
[22:52:00] KungFu: mysql> SET PASSWORD FOR root@localhost=PASSWORD('new_password');
[22:52:00] KungFu: that's what I did
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[22:54:00] KungFu: $ mysql -u root mythconverg
[22:54:00] KungFu: mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";
[22:54:00] KungFu: mysql> flush privileges;
[22:54:00] KungFu: should I do this?
[22:55:00] kormoc: only if you want it to work
[22:55:00] KungFu: hmmm.. let me think about it...
[22:55:00] KungFu: OK
[22:55:00] GeckoFiend: post your IP and root password one of us will fix it for you
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[22:56:00] kormoc: and start sshd up too, that's important
[22:56:00] KungFu: you want to kill my pc to silence my posts, huh?
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[22:56:00] GeckoFiend: heh telnet is fine w/me
[22:57:00] KungFu: 84.153.62.194
[22:57:00] GeckoFiend: nah just being an ass is all
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[22:58:00] KungFu: what?
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[22:59:00] kormoc: what? is your root password? that's funny
[22:59:00] KungFu: nah
[22:59:00] KungFu: what did GeckoFiend mean?
[22:59:00] rjune: KungFu: did I miss something?
[22:59:00] kormoc: he was just being a smartass, nothing at all in other words.
[22:59:00] rjune: kormoc: ^
[23:00:00] KungFu: I did the "grant all" thing, but still the "access denied" error
[23:05:00] KungFu: so – can't somone help me?
[23:13:00] rjune: kormoc: wish I could
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[23:16:00] KungFu: pia@Merlin:~$ mythtv-setup
[23:16:00] KungFu: 2005-06–17 00:16:19.040 New DB connection, total: 1
[23:16:00] KungFu: Total desktop width=1152, height=864, numscreens=1
[23:16:00] KungFu: 2005-06–17 00:16:19.146 Using screen 0, 1152x864 at 0,0
[23:16:00] KungFu: NUSELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'DBSchemaVer' AND hostname IS NULL;ght' AND hostname IS NULL;ULL;endInWindow' AND hostname¡£S NULL;i£a£1£¡èä0D(D(DNULLèè&aum l;¸Z°Z°ZNULL1|¼äðcøc©eI\Speicherzugrif fsfehler
[23:16:00] monkeyBox: ?
[23:17:00] KungFu: Memoryaccesserror
[23:20:00] monkeyBox: KungFu: What problem are you having?
[23:20:00] KungFu: Memory access error
[23:20:00] KungFu: the program crashed
[23:20:00] monkeyBox: oh.. wouldn't know about that.
[23:23:00] LedHed: any recommendations for an easy to install (easy for n00bs) MTA (mail server)?
[23:23:00] iggy: courier
[23:24:00] LedHed: thanks, I'll check it out...
[23:25:00] iggy: what distro do you use?
[23:25:00] LedHed: FC4
[23:25:00] iggy: hmmm
[23:25:00] iggy: well, it's still worth checking out: http://perlstalker.amigo.net/tiki/tiki-index. . . . +Mail+Server
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[23:26:00] iggy: (along with the official documentation of course)
[23:26:00] LedHed: is that different than www.courier-mta.org?
[23:27:00] iggy: um, same subject matter, different content
[23:27:00] iggy: or something
[23:27:00] LedHed: ahh
[23:28:00] KungFu: I get a f*cking segfault for any myth* program
[23:30:00] Agrajag-: KungFu: did you compile it yourself?
[23:30:00] KungFu: sort of
[23:30:00] Agrajag-: what do you mean, "sort of"
[23:31:00] KungFu: http://de-mythwiki.ath.cx/mediawiki-1.3.11/in . . . ht.27s_-_CVS
[23:31:00] Agrajag-: well that's helpful
[23:32:00] Agrajag-: i dont know why you'd go to all that trouble of making deb packages
[23:32:00] Agrajag-: just compile from source normally and install to /usr/local
[23:33:00] KungFu: the original debs are ubunty and thus said to be incompatible
[23:33:00] KungFu: I heared, that that would crash my system
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[23:34:00] Chutt: heh, 'ubunty'
[23:34:00] KungFu: ubuntu
[23:34:00] Chutt: there's ubuntu debs and debian debs
[23:34:00] Agrajag-: you heard that it would crash your system lol
[23:35:00] KungFu: ...installing such a huge package not using apt
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[23:35:00] Chutt: uh, no.
[23:35:00] Agrajag-: it's going in /usr/local – what's thte problem?
[23:35:00] Agrajag-: apt will never touch /usr/local
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[23:38:00] KungFu: I'll go 2 bed – gn8
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[23:39:00] Agrajag-: probably the right solution :P
[23:40:00] GreyFoxx: goddammit I hate ebay
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[23:40:00] GreyFoxx: some bugger snipped me with 3 seconds to spare... must have had some automated tool
[23:40:00] GreyFoxx: Ebay sucks!
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[23:41:00] Agrajag-: nah you dont need an automated tool to do that
[23:42:00] Agrajag-: you should only ever bid with seconds to go
[23:42:00] JohnnyQuest: im using mplayer to play a dvd, and im getting an error telilng me 'your computer is too slow to play this'
[23:42:00] Agrajag-: bidding earlier is pointless
[23:42:00] Agrajag-: and just pushes up the price
[23:42:00] SAID: does mythtv use some internet database to pull tv listing information?
[23:42:00] GreyFoxx: Agar: With less than 3 seconds left after I placed my bid the guy was able to out bit me by 1 dollar. No way he saw my bid and had time to up it
[23:43:00] Agrajag-: SAID: where it gets it from depends on your location and stuff, but yeah
[23:43:00] GreyFoxx: But I agree about the early bidding
[23:43:00] Agrajag-: GreyFoxx: how do you know he outbid it by 1 dollar?
[23:43:00] SAID: location...?... USA here, using DirecTV
[23:43:00] Agrajag-: he could've put 100 dollars above your price
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[23:43:00] GreyFoxx: true, true
[23:43:00] Agrajag-: but that doesn't mean it goes up $100
[23:44:00] GreyFoxx: Doesn't make me happier about it. I prefer to let the anger and hate fester and build :)
[23:45:00] Agrajag-: heh
[23:45:00] SAID: which is better, the PVR-250 or 350?
[23:45:00] Agrajag-: ebay isn't as good these days as it used to be.. becuase everyone konws about it
[23:45:00] Agrajag-: harder to get bargains
[23:45:00] GreyFoxx: I won just now the other item I wanted
[23:45:00] Agrajag-: it's better for sellers than buyers now anyway
[23:45:00] GreyFoxx: but the first one was what IU REALLY wanted
[23:45:00] GreyFoxx: hell yeah
[23:45:00] GreyFoxx: the flat rate shipping bullshit is killing ebay
[23:46:00] ** iggy agrees **
[23:46:00] GreyFoxx: and how people wont leave buyers feedback until they see what they leave for the seller
[23:46:00] GreyFoxx: You see mp3 players for $2 but it's $75 in shipping and handling
[23:46:00] Agrajag-: serious? i haven't seen that
[23:46:00] Agrajag-: well not in .au anyway
[23:46:00] GreyFoxx: I see it all the time
[23:46:00] SAID: which is better, the PVR-250 or 350?
[23:47:00] Agrajag-: SAID: no idea
[23:47:00] GreyFoxx: Or someone who charges $30USD to ship a DVD
[23:47:00] GreyFoxx: It's nuts
[23:47:00] Agrajag-: SAID: read teh mailing list thist must've been covered 10000000 times
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[23:47:00] SAID: ok
[23:47:00] SAID: trying to find the list
[23:48:00] ** GreyFoxx goes **
[23:48:00] Agrajag-: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/
[23:53:00] JohnnyQuest: im having trouble with my remote
[23:54:00] JohnnyQuest: i can get it to work in the terminal
[23:54:00] JohnnyQuest: but i cant get it to do anything in mythtv
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[23:56:00] EFCF_2003: hello
[23:57:00] JohnnyQuest: hello
[23:57:00] EFCF_2003: who's there
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[23:57:00] EFCF_2003: my name is jessica
[23:58:00] JohnnyQuest: hi jessica
[23:58:00] EFCF_2003: whre are you
[23:58:00] rjune: My name is Richard, and I'm an alcoholic
[23:58:00] JohnnyQuest: my name is johnnyquest and im a pothead
[23:58:00] JohnnyQuest: im at my computer?
[23:58:00] epoch: my name is epoch, and I'm a serial killer
[23:58:00] EFCF_2003: what's that
[23:58:00] rjune: EFCF_2003: I'm at my desk
[23:59:00] rjune: epoch: you kill tony, lucky charms and the cereal rabbit?
[23:59:00] EFCF_2003: what aru you doing
[23:59:00] JohnnyQuest: and captain crunch
[23:59:00] rjune: EFCF_2003: talking to you
[23:59:00] epoch: rjune: count chocula's next
[23:59:00] JohnnyQuest: i want lirc to work!!!!
[23:59:00] rjune: epoch: that fruit's getting too close to frankenberry

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