| Sunday, June 12th, 2005, 00:05 UTC | ||
| [00:05:00] | SarahEmm: | Kronuz: what capture card? |
| [00:06:00] | Kronuz: | I'm using pvr350 for capture |
| [00:06:00] | SarahEmm: | okay... |
| [00:06:00] | Kronuz: | SarahEmm: this morning it was working, but I changed something |
| [00:06:00] | SarahEmm: | *nods* =-/ |
| [00:07:00] | SarahEmm: | i dunno, i don't use any nvidia stuff except in the xbox |
| [00:07:00] | Kronuz: | :( ...it's also that I don't fully understand how the settings work for chnnels and sources and stuff |
| [00:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | Any MythGame users active right now ? |
| [00:07:00] | Kronuz: | I use it :) |
| [00:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone who has used it for more than 24 hours ?:) |
| [00:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [00:08:00] | Kronuz: | :S |
| [00:08:00] | Kronuz: | not really :P |
| [00:08:00] | Kronuz: | why? |
| [00:08:00] | Ashlar: | suer, GreyFoxx, wassup? |
| [00:08:00] | Kronuz: | SarahEmm: I ALWAYS get the configuration errors, and the are "you sure you know what you're doing" |
| [00:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm looking to take a little census on what people use in it, what they like and what they don't. I'm planning on making some changes :) |
| [00:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ashlar: What sort of emulators do you use most with it ? Mostly mame? |
| [00:09:00] | Ashlar: | eh, bout 50–50 mame / zsnes |
| [00:10:00] | SarahEmm: | Kronuz: configuration errorrs? how so? it's all GUI... |
| [00:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | Do you use the menus to configure what options get sent to mame/zsnes or do you just configure all of that inside of the emulator itself ? |
| [00:11:00] | Ashlar: | well, when xmame and myth match up, I set it all up in mythgame.. when they get out of sync (like it was in .. umm 0.16?) I use a shell script to munge what mythgame passes to xmame |
| [00:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm thinking of getting rid of the snes/nes/oddyesy sections and maybe get rid of the config menus, and leave that to be done in a configurable commandline (or shell script) . |
| [00:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | Instead I want to make a more generic interface which allows users to add new emulator support just like adding a new capture card |
| [00:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | supply a name, a app/shell script + commandline, directory for roms, maybe a fileextension list |
| [00:13:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: oh, on mythgame? |
| [00:13:00] | Kronuz: | well... it's more about fceu what I don't like |
| [00:13:00] | Kronuz: | (no joystick) |
| [00:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | So you would for instance define a Emulator called "Zsnes", /path/to/roms, /path/to/app + command switches, comments, directory to change to when launching the app |
| [00:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | and it would allow you to add another app , including one that has the same path to the roms incase of better support in one than the other |
| [00:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | and allow you to add any new emulator at just about anytime |
| [00:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't see any good reason to keep it all so app specific, plus it would remove a lot of the code and make it much more flexible |
| [00:15:00] | Kronuz: | SarahEmm: sorry, I missed your line |
| [00:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: Yes, I'm looking at making mods to Mythgame to make it more generic overall :) |
| [00:16:00] | Kronuz: | SarahEmm: not really, I'm getting some weird stuff (pm) |
| [00:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm probably gonna draft an email and send it off to the lists |
| [00:16:00] | SarahEmm: | sure, pm |
| [00:16:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm semihere too working on getting VBI support in myth going with PVR-xxx cards |
| [00:16:00] | Kronuz: | :) |
| [00:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ashlar, how does what I described sound to you? I don't see a compelling reason to use it the way it is now, especially since gthe new way is much easier for the user and flexible |
| [00:17:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: that's cool, mythgame needs some improvements :) |
| [00:17:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: I've been thinking on some :) |
| [00:18:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: I use the config files for zsnes |
| [00:18:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: and the menues for the others (except for mame, I 'm not using it right now) |
| [00:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | That's how I use it too, |
| [00:19:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: zsnes has such a nice config file :) |
| [00:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | But by making it basically similar to mythvideo where to point to the app and supply any commandline switches it removes a lot of code that I personally see as unneeded |
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| [00:21:00] | gnarface: | snes9x! |
| [00:21:00] | gnarface: | rocksors |
| [00:22:00] | gnarface: | uh |
| [00:22:00] | gnarface: | hey anyone do ogg/theora encoding? |
| [00:22:00] | gnarface: | i wish there was a way to get myth to just transcode to ogg/theora |
| [00:22:00] | gnarface: | but since i'll have to nuvexport first |
| [00:22:00] | gnarface: | can anyone recommend a good conversion prog? |
| [00:23:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: what about having MythGame look on the net for game descriptions and pictures or something? |
| [00:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | gnarface: It will be easy to support basically any emulator |
| [00:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: I have no use for that, but others can certainly look to do it. I want to make it more non app specific before I even consider something like that |
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| [00:24:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: also to fix the name so it more consistent and nicer |
| [00:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | That I could see as useful |
| [00:24:00] | SarahEmm: | gnarface: add theora to nuvexport ;) |
| [00:24:00] | gnarface: | SarahEmm: i'd love to but i suck. |
| [00:25:00] | Kronuz: | other thing I was thinking about it's a way to "find" roms more easily |
| [00:25:00] | Kronuz: | if you have a bunch of roms it gets harder :P |
| [00:25:00] | gnarface: | Beirdo: i'll give you 20$ to add theora to nuvexport |
| [00:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz, how do you mean? |
| [00:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | I would rather see the list similar to the mythvideo menu that lets you walk through the directories and scroll to the rom |
| [00:26:00] | Ashlar: | GreyFoxx, the alternative you outlined sounds a lot more manageable to me. |
| [00:26:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: like for instance, I have 'bout 900 roms and it gets hard to find one |
| [00:27:00] | Kronuz: | I have been thinking on a way to have menues to select the letter with the <- and -> arrows and the rom with the up/down |
| [00:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: Well that's where you organize them into folders, |
| [00:27:00] | Kronuz: | lol |
| [00:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | SNES-AD, SNES-WZ |
| [00:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | etc etc |
| [00:28:00] | Kronuz: | but having this feature wouldn't hurt :) |
| [00:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | Certainly |
| [00:28:00] | Kronuz: | like for instance if you press -> it jumps to B and then C and then D |
| [00:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | A search method would be very handy I'm sure |
| [00:28:00] | Kronuz: | (the first rom starting with the next/prev letter) |
| [00:29:00] | Kronuz: | that's so you don't need keyboard |
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| [00:29:00] | Kronuz: | like for me going to the S of Super mario takes ages :P |
| [00:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well I intend on manking the arrows be used for directory navigation, but if you are not hovering over a directory it could maybe jump further in the list |
| [00:29:00] | Kronuz: | (with the remote) |
| [00:29:00] | Kronuz: | yeah, or something like that (I think it would be useful) |
| [00:31:00] | Kronuz: | the way of categorizing roms I think could be improved (and making font size biger and the interface simpler) |
| [00:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | My plan is to have a list of emulators, then you use the arrows to move into that like a directory, then you are provided with a list of what was in the rompath for that emulator, and you navigate like a directory, including moving into subdirectories |
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| [00:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | And of course the list of emulators will be generated based on what the user setups on for that particular machine |
| [00:34:00] | epoch: | anyone here with an nVidia want to paste me part of their X config?' |
| [00:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think I have acopy of one of mine up on my site |
| [00:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | www.phaze.org/mythtv |
| [00:35:00] | epoch: | excellent, thanks |
| [00:35:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: what about when you want to have a list of all roms no matter what system they are? |
| [00:35:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: Load "v4l" |
| [00:36:00] | Kronuz: | ? is v4l needed with nvidia? |
| [00:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: One of the Emulators listed will be "All" |
| [00:36:00] | Kronuz: | you could then let the user chose an icon for the emulator |
| [00:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: That was in the file before I got to it :) I saw no reason to remove it :) |
| [00:36:00] | Kronuz: | so it shows the icon of the system somewhere in the screen |
| [00:36:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: oh, but it isn't needed, right? |
| [00:37:00] | Kronuz: | (I thought that was the reason of my tv live not working) |
| [00:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | That would be listed in the bottom half of the screen, the app that would be called to load that rom |
| [00:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: No idea |
| [00:37:00] | SarahEmm: | err |
| [00:37:00] | SarahEmm: | what would a v4l X module do? |
| [00:37:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: but I mean with a nice icon |
| [00:37:00] | epoch: | I'm pretty sure the v4l module isn't necessary for the nvidia |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | *shrug* . It was in the base X config file on that macxhine when I set it up |
| [00:38:00] | epoch: | though it is necessary (iirc) if you're using the pvr350's fb output |
| [00:38:00] | SarahEmm: | ahhhh, okay. |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | I saw no reason to remove it since it caused no problem :) |
| [00:38:00] | gnarface: | ok |
| [00:38:00] | Kronuz: | yep, you need it for pvr350 |
| [00:38:00] | gnarface: | are the pvr-x50 cards mpeg output files interlaced or not? |
| [00:38:00] | gnarface: | rather are the nuv files mythtv would make with these interlaced or not? |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: Maybe. The Emulator name/title for sure, but I could see a little icon, screenshot of the game if available |
| [00:38:00] | SarahEmm: | gnarface: don't forget the -500 ;) |
| [00:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | but icons and screenshots are later in the list. I don't care much about stuff like that so it's not what I'l focus on first :) |
| [00:39:00] | gnarface: | :-p |
| [00:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | But I could see where that would make it pretty :) |
| [00:41:00] | epoch: | sigh, this is so bizarre |
| [00:41:00] | epoch: | sig11 on the GLX extension when X tries to load it |
| [00:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | doh |
| [00:46:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: move them closer to the top (in the list), move them up, quick :) |
| [00:46:00] | Kronuz: | j/k |
| [00:46:00] | briand: | I've got MythTV configured and running thru the PVR-350's TV out... but I cannot watch tv. when I choose "watch tv" from the menu, the screen goes black and I have to ssh into the box and kill mythfrontend to regain control |
| [00:47:00] | Kronuz: | hey, GreyFoxx, I'm a programmer too, but I'm too new to MythTV code, but if you need help, please let me know |
| [00:47:00] | epoch: | briand: is the frontend configured to output video through the 350? |
| [00:47:00] | SarahEmm: | doh! the -500/-150 don't support embedding the VBI data in the MPEG stream yet, driver-wise. |
| [00:47:00] | gnarface: | briand: via chipsets blow |
| [00:47:00] | briand: | yes, I believe so... I 'checked' that box in the setup |
| [00:47:00] | SarahEmm: | briand: check your audio settings. |
| [00:48:00] | briand: | gnarface: do they? okay. |
| [00:48:00] | SarahEmm: | that's often a sound issue |
| [00:48:00] | SarahEmm: | also check what's spit out if you run it from an xterm |
| [00:48:00] | briand: | spit out from the frontend or the backend? |
| [00:48:00] | SarahEmm: | frontend |
| [00:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: Cool |
| [00:49:00] | SarahEmm: | anyone know a tool on linux to look at the frames inside an MPEG2 file? (text-wise) |
| [00:49:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: I come from the windows world tho |
| [00:49:00] | Kronuz: | but I learn fast :) |
| [00:49:00] | briand: | SarahEmm: okay... lemme go try that. |
| [00:51:00] | Ashlar: | anyone have a link for firewire capture setup howto? the mythtv.org docs don't seem to mention it |
| [00:51:00] | Kronuz: | ...can't make my livetv work :( |
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| [00:53:00] | SarahEmm: | wheeeee. i think i stop working on this for today. |
| [00:53:00] | SarahEmm: | at least i got video working :) |
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| [00:56:00] | briand: | okay.. I'm back. |
| [00:56:00] | briand: | can I /msg you this output, SarahEmm ? |
| [00:57:00] | SarahEmm: | k |
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| [01:01:00] | Kronuz: | 'xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 1' sure fixed my blue border issue :) |
| [01:01:00] | briand: | gnarface: why did you tell me that "via chipsets blow" ?? |
| [01:02:00] | Kronuz: | hmm |
| [01:02:00] | Kronuz: | bootsplash |
| [01:03:00] | briand: | Kronuz: what's happening with your Live TV ? |
| [01:03:00] | SarahEmm: | via chipsets tend to cause issues when you do large amounts of DNA transfers |
| [01:03:00] | briand: | I'm not using a via chipset |
| [01:03:00] | Ashlar: | and via sound is iffy at best |
| [01:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | via chipsets have historically had lots of DMA issues, from either the IDE buss or via a PCI device |
| [01:04:00] | Kronuz: | briand: it's not working for some reason :( I'm using nvidia for output and pvr350 for capture |
| [01:05:00] | briand: | gotcha. |
| [01:05:00] | briand: | I'm using the 350 for capture and playback |
| [01:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz are you getting any audio ? ? |
| [01:05:00] | briand: | there's a built-in video, with a TV out option, but I'm not using it. |
| [01:05:00] | Kronuz: | briand: this morning it was working (sort of) but I changed... dunno what (I thought I didn't change a thing, but obviously I did) |
| [01:05:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: yep, getting sound and osd |
| [01:05:00] | Kronuz: | SarahEmm says the log looks okay |
| [01:05:00] | SarahEmm: | err, DMA not DNA... |
| [01:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz, have you tried capturing to a file and playing back with xine/mplayer to make sure it's coming in ok ? |
| [01:06:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: xine and mplayer work just fine |
| [01:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [01:06:00] | Kronuz: | (I;m using xv for those) |
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| [01:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | And you have gone back in and told Myth to NOT try and use the pvr350 for playback right ?:) |
| [01:07:00] | Kronuz: | yep |
| [01:07:00] | Kronuz: | I disabled it |
| [01:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cause if it's still trying to use it like you did before you would see that |
| [01:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [01:07:00] | Kronuz: | and I've tried with both XvMC support enabled and disabled |
| [01:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | try running mythfrontend will verbose logging and see if anything in there gives a clue |
| [01:08:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: verbose? |
| [01:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythfrontend -v playback |
| [01:08:00] | Kronuz: | okay, let me try |
| [01:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | or -v all |
| [01:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | and make sure it goes to afile, cause a lot of stuff will scroll by |
| [01:08:00] | Kronuz: | oh, okay :) |
| [01:10:00] | gnarface: | gnar. |
| [01:12:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: that's the log |
| [01:13:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: I just went into mythtv, started TV live, ended TV live and ended mythtv |
| [01:14:00] | Kronuz: | XvMCRenderSurface, error: BadMatch (8) |
| [01:14:00] | Kronuz: | is that it? |
| [01:20:00] | sphing: | iggy: you here? |
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| [01:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: Did you try the new copy of the module? The mouse buttons seem to work now |
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| [01:32:00] | briand: | SarahEmm is so smart.. found/fixed the problem in no time. |
| [01:32:00] | briand: | user error, of course, but she spotted it right off the bat |
| [01:33:00] | iggy: | sphing: yes |
| [01:33:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: did you see anything wrong? (any clue how to fix my tv live?) |
| [01:34:00] | SarahEmm: | :) |
| [01:34:00] | SarahEmm: | yay! |
| [01:34:00] | ** SarahEmm likes helping peoples ** | |
| [01:34:00] | SarahEmm: | briand: black-screen-on-livetv is 95% of the time audio-related :) |
| [01:35:00] | briand: | and, indeed, that's how you found the problem. |
| [01:37:00] | briand: | okay, well I'm off to play with Myth, and see how I want things to look, etc. |
| [01:37:00] | briand: | thanks, again, for the help! now I gotta go play... |
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| [01:40:00] | Midkniht: | ok ok i give, how do you get rid of this: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
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| [01:42:00] | Ashlar: | xauth/xhost |
| [01:43:00] | Ashlar: | running myth as the same user who's running X? |
| [01:46:00] | Midkniht: | i dont know |
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| [01:46:00] | Midkniht: | lemme look |
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| [01:47:00] | Midkniht: | wait |
| [01:47:00] | Midkniht: | no i know im not |
| [01:47:00] | Midkniht: | thats when i run mythbackend though |
| [01:47:00] | Midkniht: | what does it do on X? |
| [01:48:00] | Ashlar: | ahh.. thought you were running mythfrontend.. didn't read carefully enough.. shouldn't stop it from working, tho |
| [01:50:00] | aficionado: | Hi, when I start mythbackend I get an error saying "Session management error: Authentication rejected, reason: None of the authentication protocols..." |
| [01:51:00] | GeckoFiend: | aficionado you can ignore it |
| [01:52:00] | aficionado: | GeckoFiend: mythbackend doesn't start |
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| [01:52:00] | SarahEmm: | what's in the backend log? |
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| [01:53:00] | aficionado: | o |
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| [01:53:00] | aficionado: | SarahEmm: lol, nevermind :) |
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| [01:55:00] | SarahEmm: | okay |
| [01:55:00] | aficionado: | Can I use the myth "frontend" without having a TV capture card? |
| [01:55:00] | SarahEmm: | ;) |
| [01:55:00] | SarahEmm: | sure |
| [01:56:00] | SarahEmm: | but you still have to run the backend |
| [01:56:00] | GeckoFiend: | SarahEmm nope |
| [01:56:00] | GeckoFiend: | assuming he's talking about using everythign but the PVR |
| [01:56:00] | SarahEmm: | err what? |
| [01:56:00] | SarahEmm: | i didn't think the frontend would even start without a backend? |
| [01:56:00] | aficionado: | now I keep getting the error "unable to initialize plugin 'mythvideo'." :( |
| [01:57:00] | SarahEmm: | where does it get its database and such? |
| [01:57:00] | epoch: | SarahEmm: it runs fine without a backend |
| [01:57:00] | SarahEmm: | hrm. |
| [01:57:00] | SarahEmm: | okay :) |
| [01:57:00] | epoch: | SarahEmm: you won't be able to watch live tv or recordings without one, though :) |
| [01:57:00] | epoch: | but it doesn't have to be on the same computer |
| [01:57:00] | epoch: | I have a frontend installed on my iBook |
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| [01:57:00] | epoch: | mythtv over wifi on my laptop is so rad :) |
| [01:58:00] | aficionado: | nice =D |
| [01:58:00] | SarahEmm: | that's what i do too |
| [01:58:00] | SarahEmm: | my laptop has a frontend |
| [01:58:00] | SarahEmm: | mainly i use the xbox frontend tho |
| [01:58:00] | SarahEmm: | works well, blends in with the tvness |
| [01:58:00] | aficionado: | xbox frontend? |
| [01:58:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah |
| [01:58:00] | SarahEmm: | mythfrontend running on an xbox |
| [01:58:00] | epoch: | SarahEmm: is your xbox modded? |
| [01:58:00] | SarahEmm: | i flashed the bios |
| [01:58:00] | SarahEmm: | no modchip, but yes it's technically modded |
| [01:59:00] | epoch: | ah, cool |
| [01:59:00] | SarahEmm: | runs linux now, and the myth frontend runs nicely on it |
| [01:59:00] | SarahEmm: | some people complain it's a little slow, but it doesn't bother me |
| [01:59:00] | epoch: | video quality OK? |
| [01:59:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah, good imho :) |
| [01:59:00] | aficionado: | so why would I get the unable to initialize plugin (mythvideo and mythweather) errors? |
| [01:59:00] | SarahEmm: | aficionado: what error? |
| [02:00:00] | aficionado: | once inside the frontend when I click one of the mythweather or mythvideo icons (Media Library, Information Center, etc.) it says |
| [02:00:00] | SarahEmm: | hmm, i should look at how to add more RAM to the xbox, that'd speed it up a lot |
| [02:00:00] | SarahEmm: | most of the slowness is swapping |
| [02:01:00] | SarahEmm: | aficionado: okay, what's the output from the frontend when you do that? |
| [02:01:00] | aficionado: | unable to run plugin "...": not initialized |
| [02:01:00] | SarahEmm: | what's the cmdline output from the forntend? |
| [02:01:00] | GeckoFiend: | aficionado you've probably rebuilt myth and not those plugins |
| [02:01:00] | aficionado: | hehe... I think I need to shutup... you guys are way too helpful! :) |
| [02:02:00] | aficionado: | thanks... I will stop bugging you guys/gals |
| [02:02:00] | GeckoFiend: | if the myth libs change too much out from underneath the plugins they don't even run enough for the warning message |
| [02:02:00] | SarahEmm: | hehe |
| [02:02:00] | SarahEmm: | s'what we're here for, kinda ;) |
| [02:02:00] | GeckoFiend: | aficionado that's what this channel is for :-p |
| [02:02:00] | aficionado: | :) |
| [02:02:00] | aficionado: | its just complaining that it can't find the mythweather.so.so |
| [02:03:00] | aficionado: | wow, something is odd |
| [02:03:00] | SarahEmm: | so.so? |
| [02:03:00] | SarahEmm: | o.o |
| [02:03:00] | aficionado: | it is actually looking for liblibmythweather.so.so |
| [02:03:00] | SarahEmm: | that's odd |
| [02:03:00] | SarahEmm: | looks kinda redundant :) |
| [02:03:00] | aficionado: | the installation script must have messed something up |
| [02:03:00] | aficionado: | I'll see if it's in one of the .xml files |
| [02:03:00] | Ashlar: | yah, plugins version != frontend version |
| [02:03:00] | phi0x: | back |
| [02:04:00] | phi0x: | yeah sarahemm the card isnt supported in nix ;/ |
| [02:04:00] | aficionado: | where are the plugins specified? |
| [02:04:00] | SarahEmm: | phi0x: yeah. |
| [02:04:00] | Ashlar: | ie, if you're on debian and using the mdz debs, there's no package for mythweather, gallery, game |
| [02:04:00] | phi0x: | when i took it out and put it back in the system it did prob again and said found unknown contaxent or whatever something unkown 8022 hardware |
| [02:05:00] | phi0x: | which i guess means no driver found for it |
| [02:05:00] | phi0x: | which means i have to get a custom one? |
| [02:05:00] | SarahEmm: | a custom driver you mean? |
| [02:06:00] | phi0x: | yeah |
| [02:06:00] | SarahEmm: | err |
| [02:06:00] | SarahEmm: | not likely unless you want to pay someone a fair bit of cash to write one for you |
| [02:07:00] | SarahEmm: | cheaper to just buy a supported card |
| [02:07:00] | phi0x: | im 16 though :( |
| [02:07:00] | phi0x: | have no job no money anymore |
| [02:07:00] | SarahEmm: | okay... |
| [02:07:00] | phi0x: | over past year ive been tryin to get this box setup ;/ |
| [02:07:00] | epoch: | phi0x: just steal money from your parents |
| [02:07:00] | SarahEmm: | well, the card you have isn't supported on linux |
| [02:07:00] | SarahEmm: | someone would have to write a driver before it'll work |
| [02:07:00] | phi0x: | parents don't have money to spend on this, they got bills |
| [02:07:00] | epoch: | that's what I did when I was your age and needed hardware ;) |
| [02:07:00] | phi0x: | and i don't steal from family. |
| [02:07:00] | SarahEmm: | start working ;) |
| [02:07:00] | braniff: | lol @ epoch |
| [02:07:00] | epoch: | then get a job, you bum! |
| [02:08:00] | phi0x: | isnt really a job out there that i want |
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| [02:08:00] | phi0x: | all computer places around me want me for tutor to tutor old ppl |
| [02:08:00] | phi0x: | which i hate doing. |
| [02:08:00] | epoch: | terrible. |
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| [02:08:00] | phi0x: | done that before |
| [02:08:00] | phi0x: | and im no bum |
| [02:08:00] | braniff: | "coke mule" is always an available job heh |
| [02:08:00] | phi0x: | had a paper route since i was 5 years old |
| [02:08:00] | epoch: | you're young, still, so you don't understand how the world works |
| [02:08:00] | phi0x: | just quit this year |
| [02:08:00] | epoch: | but I'll give you a hint |
| [02:08:00] | epoch: | if you need money |
| [02:08:00] | epoch: | you work |
| [02:08:00] | Kronuz: | hey does anyone have the bootsplash patch for kernel v. 2.6.11.11? |
| [02:08:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
| [02:08:00] | ** SarahEmm nods ** | |
| [02:08:00] | phi0x: | i know how world works for money heh |
| [02:09:00] | epoch: | if you don't like the job, you do it anyways |
| [02:09:00] | gnarface: | god damnit |
| [02:09:00] | phi0x: | i just don't have time to do things for money until now since summer is coming |
| [02:09:00] | gnarface: | anyone use ffmpeg2theora? |
| [02:09:00] | epoch: | phi0x: you obviously don't, since you can't afford to set up your myth box :) |
| [02:09:00] | SarahEmm: | phi0x: but now summer is here.. and? |
| [02:09:00] | gnarface: | there might be money in it for the maintainer if they speak up now. |
| [02:09:00] | phi0x: | summer is here and now i can start selling my online stuff again. |
| [02:09:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh |
| [02:09:00] | SarahEmm: | then you can buy a supported card! :) |
| [02:10:00] | phi0x: | i sell things online. |
| [02:10:00] | SarahEmm: | okay |
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| [02:10:00] | SarahEmm: | then buy a supported card that does what you want :) |
| [02:10:00] | phi0x: | yeah thats if i get the time to do my studying in computer section so i can get my ideas out there online to make my money:) |
| [02:10:00] | phi0x: | otherwise im screwed ;/ |
| [02:10:00] | phi0x: | well i am running a mce2k5 box and dualing it with fedora core 3 for mythtv |
| [02:10:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: what steps would you try to make your TV live work if you had the same problem I do ? |
| [02:11:00] | aficionado: | so why would mythfrontend look for "liblibmythweather.so.so" |
| [02:11:00] | epoch: | haha |
| [02:11:00] | phi0x: | kronuz u should do this tutorial i did |
| [02:11:00] | epoch: | aficionado: cuz there's a bug in there? :) |
| [02:11:00] | phi0x: | works good for initial setup of mythtv |
| [02:11:00] | phi0x: | 00:0f.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Winfast TV2000 XP (rev 05) |
| [02:11:00] | phi0x: | oops wrong paste |
| [02:11:00] | phi0x: | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php |
| [02:12:00] | phi0x: | there that site helps alot. |
| [02:12:00] | aficionado: | epoch: are the plugins specified somewhere in a file? |
| [02:12:00] | phi0x: | gets everything setup perfectly, just need to have right hardware ;) |
| [02:12:00] | epoch: | aficionado: probably |
| [02:12:00] | epoch: | aficionado: use the source, luke |
| [02:12:00] | braniff: | aficionado: apt-get remove mythweather |
| [02:12:00] | epoch: | (and grep) |
| [02:12:00] | phi0x: | see i can get my mythtv working if i put my winfast 2000xp which looks like crap. |
| [02:12:00] | aficionado: | braniff: I am using archlinux |
| [02:12:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: think as if you had friend of the family's little kid who came and messed with your box and now tvlive isn't working (what would you check)? |
| [02:12:00] | phi0x: | but then i wont have a tv tuner for my box which i use to play my xbox on |
| [02:12:00] | SarahEmm: | phi0x: heh, i'm running a card like that now, plain tuner with software encoding |
| [02:12:00] | aficionado: | and compiled it manually (well, almost) |
| [02:13:00] | Kronuz: | phi0x: what tutorial was it? |
| [02:13:00] | SarahEmm: | works fine for me |
| [02:13:00] | phi0x: | have u seen the horrible quality though |
| [02:13:00] | braniff: | aficionado, doh! |
| [02:13:00] | SarahEmm: | phi0x: not really... it looks okay to me |
| [02:13:00] | gnarface: | there's serious advantages to analog cards + software encoding as long as you have tons of spare cpu power |
| [02:13:00] | SarahEmm: | gnarface: like? |
| [02:13:00] | phi0x: | first off i was gonna use mce2k5 thats why i decided to buy a compatible card for mce2k5 which was the ati hdtv wonder, yet after i spent my 300$ on the most expensive card basically. |
| [02:13:00] | phi0x: | back like 8 months ago |
| [02:13:00] | aficionado: | braniff: huh? |
| [02:13:00] | braniff: | lower price is one advantage i could see |
| [02:13:00] | phi0x: | i put it in, find out that it doesnt work;) |
| [02:14:00] | phi0x: | find out that microsofts compatibility list is wrong |
| [02:14:00] | gnarface: | SarahEmm: like, analog cards put video out in realtime. you can still line-double svideo output from your gamecube with no noticable lag and play the games in realtime, with line-doubling. |
| [02:14:00] | SarahEmm: | gnar: true, but not with myth... |
| [02:14:00] | phi0x: | they forget to put in brackets beside the card on the list saying (needs a ehome wonder or equiv to work co-incidly with) |
| [02:14:00] | phi0x: | lol |
| [02:14:00] | SarahEmm: | i was wondering what you meant from myth speficically |
| [02:14:00] | gnarface: | SarahEmm: true, not with myth (yet) i use tvtime |
| [02:15:00] | phi0x: | anyone here got a hdtv box setup? |
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| [02:15:00] | phi0x: | that displays 1080I hdtv? |
| [02:15:00] | epoch: | gnarface: what CPU are you using to software-encode? |
| [02:15:00] | gnarface: | SarahEmm: but that's a really big advantage. it dramatically increases the versatility of what you can use that video input for. an mpeg card has somewhere around 2–5 seconds of lag in the encoding buffer that makes it useless for anything that requires real-time input |
| [02:15:00] | phi0x: | i wanted to see what the res screen shots look like |
| [02:15:00] | phi0x: | for pc hdtv 3000 |
| [02:15:00] | braniff: | i think j-rod has like 10 hdtv boxes set up |
| [02:15:00] | ** SarahEmm is doing software encoding on a 1.7 celeron here ** | |
| [02:16:00] | epoch: | re-heally |
| [02:16:00] | SarahEmm: | gnarface: plus software encoding lets you use VBIness. |
| [02:16:00] | SarahEmm: | which you can't do with hardware yet |
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| [02:16:00] | phi0x: | because im thinking later on once i get a ati theater 550 prox2 and then later get a happauge pvr 250 or something better that is L4V style then ill be able to run mythtv and mce2k5 dual. |
| [02:16:00] | epoch: | I guess the pvr350 can't do pass-through though eh |
| [02:16:00] | phi0x: | does hdtv have onboard mpeg2 encoding? |
| [02:17:00] | phi0x: | i thought when i read the pchdtv3000 it doesnt? |
| [02:17:00] | epoch: | phi0x: as far as I understand, the HD cards are a bit different |
| [02:17:00] | phi0x: | i guess if it doesnt then its good to have a 6600GT+ heh |
| [02:17:00] | gnarface: | epoch: i do that stuff with an athlon 3200+ on an nforce2 ultra board with 1 gig of ram, which is admittedly fucking awesome but it also worked fine for me on a via kt133 with a 1.4ghz thunderbird-core athlon and 512megs of pc133 ram.... worked great once i realized you need to turn acpi and io/apic off in the kernel AND in the bios to make it not lock up |
| [02:17:00] | mchou: | sigh..... |
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| [02:17:00] | epoch: | phi0x: they read in an ATSC signal and basically just pass it through to your computer to decode in software |
| [02:17:00] | SarahEmm: | phi0x: err, doesn't the signal come in as MPEG? |
| [02:18:00] | mchou: | SarahEmm: exactly! |
| [02:18:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [02:18:00] | ** SarahEmm meows ** | |
| [02:18:00] | mchou: | like a network download of a movie :) |
| [02:18:00] | epoch: | gnarface: hot |
| [02:19:00] | gnarface: | epoch: nvidia cards and binary drivers help alot because everything has xv support and the nvidia binary drivers hardware-accelerate the xv interface (among other things) |
| [02:19:00] | GeckoFiend: | gnarface ummm wow do we have different standards for the label "fucking awesome" |
| [02:19:00] | mchou: | GeckoFiend: haha! |
| [02:19:00] | epoch: | gnarface: yeah, I like my nvidia for that deal |
| [02:19:00] | gnarface: | GeckoFiend: i'm conservative. what, you're using amd64 or what? |
| [02:19:00] | SarahEmm: | hmm, cool. loooks like upgrading the memory in an xbox shouldn't be a huge deal |
| [02:19:00] | SarahEmm: | that should fix the speed issue i think |
| [02:20:00] | epoch: | (except for the part where using glx would crash X) |
| [02:20:00] | mchou: | SarahEmm: the memory is not soldered on in xbox? |
| [02:20:00] | epoch: | though it looks like I've fixed that tonight |
| [02:20:00] | phi0x: | yeah my media pc stats are as followed: cpu:amd athlon 1700+(1.47ghz), ram: samsung 512mb pc3200(running at 2100 cause of mobo)x1 and micron 256mb cas 2.5 pc2100 ramx1, hard drives: 200gb seagate ata100 7200rpmx1, maxtor 20gb 5400rpmx1, graphics card:ati radeon 9600SE 128mb-64bit, generic case, tuners:ati hdtv wonder, sony dvdrom drive. mobo: ecs k7s5a |
| [02:20:00] | SarahEmm: | mchou: err, yeah it is, but the upgrade is just soldering on a few extra QFP ram chips |
| [02:20:00] | SarahEmm: | which in my book is 'not a huge deal' |
| [02:20:00] | phi0x: | oh and a 30$ cmedia sound card |
| [02:21:00] | GeckoFiend: | gnarface LOL no it's just I don't get all that excited about hardware I guess. |
| [02:21:00] | mchou: | phi0x: lol |
| [02:21:00] | mchou: | k7s5a. retired that board over one year ago. |
| [02:21:00] | GeckoFiend: | at best I think I've refered to a computer as "cool" and I've worked with them for 20 years or so now |
| [02:21:00] | gnarface: | GeckoFiend: my life is very boring. i take what i can get. nonetheless line-doubling console output through tvtime and an analog tv card rocks. don't knock it until you've tried it. |
| [02:22:00] | phi0x: | mchou: bought it in 2001 |
| [02:22:00] | SarahEmm: | GeckoFiend: what kinda gear 20y ago? :) |
| [02:22:00] | epoch: | gnarface: how do you do the line-doubling? |
| [02:22:00] | GeckoFiend: | SarahEmm The might mighty Atari 400 w/tape recorder |
| [02:22:00] | epoch: | wait a second, I need to learn to read |
| [02:23:00] | epoch: | nevermind ;P |
| [02:23:00] | phi0x: | anyone have a screenshot of their hdtv card? if so post link or dcc and explain what hdtv card you have:) |
| [02:23:00] | epoch: | oh man, those tapes |
| [02:23:00] | gnarface: | epoch: tvtime has several de-interlacing line-doubler plugins to pick from. they're all built in. http://tvtime.net/ |
| [02:23:00] | epoch: | those things were *awesome* |
| [02:23:00] | SarahEmm: | GeckoFiend: ahh. :) |
| [02:23:00] | phi0x: | oh and what interlace it is at |
| [02:23:00] | epoch: | gnarface: rad |
| [02:23:00] | phi0x: | 480–1080i |
| [02:23:00] | epoch: | gnarface: commercial line-doublers are like, many thousands of dollars |
| [02:23:00] | gnarface: | epoch: you pick whatever your cpu can handle. if you've got a good recent athlon you should have no problems using the best most cpu-intensive one. |
| [02:23:00] | phi0x: | id like to see the quality on the hdtv tuners i havent really seen any screenshots of hdtv channels |
| [02:24:00] | mchou: | tvtime does suck a lot of mips though. |
| [02:24:00] | gnarface: | epoch: i know :) that's why i don't have a girlfriend too. |
| [02:24:00] | epoch: | gnarface: hahahaha |
| [02:24:00] | GeckoFiend: | then the 800xl, then apple IIe, then the mac, then a Tandy PC clone. Only one I didn't write code for was the mac |
| [02:24:00] | epoch: | girlfriends can be pricey |
| [02:24:00] | epoch: | holy crap mythtv, finish compiling already |
| [02:25:00] | gnarface: | epoch: i'm going to marry my nintendo. |
| [02:25:00] | mchou: | haha! |
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| [02:25:00] | mchou: | gnarface: I'd like to see what kind of kids you have :) |
| [02:25:00] | epoch: | gnarface: you'll have to wear a pretty hefty condom, that could end up very painful |
| [02:25:00] | mchou: | gnarface: gnarpoke?? |
| [02:26:00] | ** SarahEmm blinks ** | |
| [02:26:00] | gnarface: | hahaha. |
| [02:26:00] | ** epoch shudders ** | |
| [02:26:00] | gnarface: | its pokegnar |
| [02:26:00] | epoch: | sigh |
| [02:26:00] | epoch: | I have to go carry my huge-ass a/c unit to my car |
| [02:27:00] | gnarface: | has anyone used ffmpeg2theora yet? |
| [02:27:00] | epoch: | my spine'll be shattered soon |
| [02:27:00] | gnarface: | i'm trying to figure out why its segfaulting on me? |
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| [02:28:00] | mchou: | ok, so this datadirect business. The episode ids, are they guaranteed to be unique? |
| [02:29:00] | mchou: | like I could do a match on episode ids and see if that's already been recorded....... |
| [02:29:00] | braniff: | doubt that |
| [02:29:00] | SarahEmm: | i don't think so.. |
| [02:29:00] | epoch: | mchou: they're almost unique |
| [02:29:00] | SarahEmm: | if it was that easy, that's how myth's deduping would work |
| [02:29:00] | epoch: | I wouldn't trust them :) |
| [02:29:00] | mchou: | instead of matching by description (which varies) |
| [02:29:00] | gnarface: | couldn't you do a double-match? |
| [02:30:00] | gnarface: | title + episode id? |
| [02:30:00] | mchou: | gnarface: yeah. |
| [02:30:00] | epoch: | holy crap, this looks even worse than it did before |
| [02:30:00] | SarahEmm: | epoch: mew? |
| [02:30:00] | epoch: | SarahEmm: pausing all over the place |
| [02:31:00] | mchou: | SarahEmm: maybe the devs were just lazy :) |
| [02:31:00] | epoch: | also I'm getting really verbose output from frontend |
| [02:31:00] | phi0x: | epoch use this package |
| [02:31:00] | epoch: | [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0x40965010]00 motion_type at 3 14 |
| [02:31:00] | mchou: | SarahEmm: the db routines in myth are pretty messy :) |
| [02:31:00] | epoch: | like, wtf is that all about |
| [02:31:00] | SarahEmm: | mchou: lol |
| [02:31:00] | phi0x: | epoch:here do this apt-get install mythtv-suite |
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| [02:31:00] | epoch: | phi0x: uh, no deal |
| [02:32:00] | JeepJerk: | hello all |
| [02:32:00] | phi0x: | i did it |
| [02:32:00] | phi0x: | comes with everything basically setup |
| [02:32:00] | mchou: | SarahEmm: why? it's not out of the realm of possibilities? |
| [02:32:00] | phi0x: | works great. |
| [02:32:00] | epoch: | good for you ;P |
| [02:32:00] | phi0x: | it is |
| [02:32:00] | phi0x: | :) |
| [02:32:00] | SarahEmm: | mchou: i suppose |
| [02:32:00] | phi0x: | they make those packages so u dont have to waist time compiling:) |
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| [02:33:00] | epoch: | right, but are the packages compiled with xvmc support for my version of the nvidia drivers, and my kernel? |
| [02:33:00] | epoch: | doubtful |
| [02:33:00] | mchou: | SarahEmm: keep in mind they matched descriptions way b4 episode ids or datadirect came along..... |
| [02:33:00] | phi0x: | possibly ;/ |
| [02:33:00] | phi0x: | :P |
| [02:33:00] | epoch: | anyways, gotta go |
| [02:33:00] | phi0x: | anyone use microsoft windows xp media center 2005 edition before? |
| [02:34:00] | JeepJerk: | anyone ever seen one of these Vyond V200 boxes? |
| [02:34:00] | epoch: | got a back to break |
| [02:34:00] | phi0x: | use your legs |
| [02:34:00] | phi0x: | :P |
| [02:34:00] | mchou: | phi0x: dud, why would anyone want to use that junk?? |
| [02:34:00] | braniff: | windows?! |
| [02:34:00] | ** braniff throws up ** | |
| [02:34:00] | epoch: | phi0x: someone else's back >;) |
| [02:34:00] | phi0x: | ;/ |
| [02:34:00] | mchou: | MCE sux big time. |
| [02:35:00] | mchou: | no commercial autodtection, for one thing. |
| [02:35:00] | phi0x: | windows aint that bad, you can't say its bad when every game out there basically is for windows and is built to work best with it. |
| [02:35:00] | SarahEmm: | mchou: true, and not everyone uses DD |
| [02:35:00] | phi0x: | nix isnt mainly for gui situational stuff |
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| [02:35:00] | phi0x: | mostly for the power of server side. |
| [02:35:00] | phi0x: | thats why i love usin it for that:) |
| [02:35:00] | phi0x: | and i like my windows box for the games. |
| [02:35:00] | phi0x: | even though nix can play games |
| [02:35:00] | mchou: | phi0x: lol, every game? how about those consoles? (I think you need another windows Update :)) |
| [02:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | "you can't say its bad when every game" Hahaha Sure you can when you don't play games :) |
| [02:36:00] | phi0x: | but its alot more difficult to get alot of games working properly on nix and 99% of end user wont want to learn all those methods |
| [02:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | im having trouble compiling mythtv |
| [02:36:00] | SarahEmm: | JohnnyQuest: what error? |
| [02:36:00] | phi0x: | if you don't play games then you shouldn't be discussing it:P |
| [02:36:00] | phi0x: | lol |
| [02:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt |
| [02:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | <spencer_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| [02:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | <spencer_> make[2]: *** [libmythavcodec-0.18.so.0.18.0] Error 1 |
| [02:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | <spencer_> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/spencer/mythtv/libs/libavcodec' |
| [02:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | <spencer_> make[1]: *** [sub-libavcodec] Error 2 |
| [02:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | <spencer_> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/spencer/mythtv/libs' |
| [02:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | <spencer_> make: *** [sub-libs] Error 2 |
| [02:36:00] | mchou: | fuck! |
| [02:37:00] | SarahEmm: | JohnnyQuest: you have QT built with multithreading? |
| [02:37:00] | mchou: | stop flooding! |
| [02:37:00] | SarahEmm: | (and please use pastebin.ca for longer pastes like that) |
| [02:37:00] | phi0x: | anyways we all know the differences so lets get on with real chatin heh |
| [02:37:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i have qt |
| [02:37:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i just installed it |
| [02:37:00] | SarahEmm: | JohnnyQuest: multithreaded? looks like maybe not |
| [02:37:00] | SarahEmm: | how did you install? |
| [02:37:00] | JeepJerk: | did you use the thread switch |
| [02:37:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i dont know about multithread |
| [02:37:00] | JeepJerk: | ? |
| [02:37:00] | JohnnyQuest: | im new to linux |
| [02:37:00] | SarahEmm: | what distro, from packages or source? |
| [02:37:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ubuntu |
| [02:37:00] | braniff: | ubuntu?! |
| [02:37:00] | ** braniff throws up ** | |
| [02:37:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i did it from the source on the trolltech website |
| [02:38:00] | phi0x: | what is pastebin |
| [02:38:00] | phi0x: | ;/ |
| [02:38:00] | mchou: | braniff: haha!! |
| [02:38:00] | SarahEmm: | JohnnyQuest: okay.. did you specify multithreaded? |
| [02:38:00] | SarahEmm: | if not, that's the issue |
| [02:38:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i didnt i guess |
| [02:38:00] | SarahEmm: | phi0x: err... pastebin.ca, look at the site |
| [02:38:00] | JohnnyQuest: | it didnt really give me an option to... |
| [02:38:00] | mchou: | braniff: I tried kubuntu on livecd and threw up :) |
| [02:38:00] | SarahEmm: | JohnnyQuest: err, it should |
| [02:38:00] | phi0x: | i looked at it it just looks like u post ur stuff and thats it |
| [02:38:00] | braniff: | heh |
| [02:38:00] | SarahEmm: | JohnnyQuest: there's some kind of configuration you did, no? |
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| [02:38:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ya |
| [02:38:00] | SarahEmm: | phi0x: that's exactly what it is. i.e. you can post a long config file there, then give someone on irc the URL for it |
| [02:38:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ./config |
| [02:39:00] | SarahEmm: | phi0x: that way you don't flood IRC |
| [02:39:00] | SarahEmm: | phi0x: flooding IRC is annoying. |
| [02:39:00] | mchou: | braniff: stuff has more bugs than aa roach motel...... |
| [02:39:00] | SarahEmm: | (and even moreso for anyone using a screen reader) |
| [02:39:00] | mchou: | a* |
| [02:39:00] | SarahEmm: | JohnnyQuest: okay, there's an argument to that, or something somewhere to enable multithreadedness |
| [02:39:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
| [02:39:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ill look at it |
| [02:39:00] | mchou: | braniff: proggies crashing left and right. |
| [02:39:00] | Scuzzle: | Hi folks, anyone here had any luck using an XBox as a frontend and getting CD Ripping to work on it? I think I'm missing something simple... |
| [02:39:00] | JohnnyQuest: | thanx, ill be back if i cant figure it out |
| [02:39:00] | phi0x: | usually i just post flood in my query/msg direct to a person so they only see it and comment on what is the problem heh |
| [02:40:00] | SarahEmm: | ok JohnnyQuest, good luck! |
| [02:40:00] | braniff: | yeah screw ubuntu — use a real distro — like Linux From Scratch |
| [02:40:00] | phi0x: | but looks like good idea heh |
| [02:40:00] | SarahEmm: | phi0x: easier to just use pastebin usually |
| [02:40:00] | mchou: | Scuzzle: most likely you not mounting nfs? |
| [02:40:00] | SarahEmm: | Scuzzle: hmm, i'm using the xbox as a frontend, but not cdripping sorry |
| [02:40:00] | braniff: | back in my day, we walked uphill both ways to school and we wrote our own kernels |
| [02:40:00] | mchou: | braniff: LFS, you gotta be kidding! |
| [02:40:00] | ** braniff is kidding ** | |
| [02:40:00] | Scuzzle: | I've checked and the NFS mount seems Ok, and I put the correct sub directort in it. |
| [02:41:00] | mchou: | lol braniff, your name is not linus :) |
| [02:41:00] | phi0x: | must have been a very good walk but not very time savey. |
| [02:41:00] | Scuzzle: | The ripper finds all the tracks, but when it start the actual rips, just ejects the disc as if it's finished. |
| [02:41:00] | mchou: | Scuzzle: haha, d must be copy protected :) |
| [02:42:00] | SarahEmm: | phi0x: mew? what? |
| [02:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | A friend and I setup our own distro once just for the hell of it. Was interesting :) |
| [02:42:00] | xris: | Beirdo: lol, I just realized that suddenly I'm getting nuvexport commit emails. heh. |
| [02:42:00] | Scuzzle: | A *real* copy protected CD. ;) I ripped the same disc on my PC fine. |
| [02:43:00] | mchou: | Scuzzle: hat console say when you try to rip? |
| [02:43:00] | mchou: | what* |
| [02:43:00] | Scuzzle: | Does it run an external program to do the Rip? Maybe that installed... |
| [02:44:00] | Scuzzle: | Is the console logged somethere? I have an SSH to the XBox, and no keyboard on the XBox to do anything complicated. |
| [02:45:00] | mchou: | do your own logging..... |
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| [02:46:00] | Scuzzle: | Ok, mchou, I admit to not knowing how to do that. I've not got a lot of experience with X and how it does things. |
| [02:46:00] | gnarface: | god |
| [02:46:00] | gnarface: | if i had only one wish |
| [02:46:00] | mchou: | redirect stdout |
| [02:46:00] | gnarface: | it would be that nuvexport exported directly to theora/ogg |
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| [02:47:00] | Ashlar: | Scuzzle: log into the xbox via ssh. su – live (or whatever user runs X / mythfrontend).. export DISPLAY=:0 .. then run mythfrontend |
| [02:47:00] | mchou: | and stderr. |
| [02:47:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: huh???? |
| [02:48:00] | Ashlar: | launching mythfrontend from an ssh session so that he can see what errors it's throwing.. |
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| [02:48:00] | Scuzzle: | Thanks, giving that a go at the moment. |
| [02:48:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [02:50:00] | JeepJerk: | I should be able to use yum to upgrade a box w/ mythtv .15 to the latest right? |
| [02:51:00] | JeepJerk: | on FC1 |
| [02:52:00] | JeepJerk: | I only build from source and my friend brought over his cute litte pre-packaged mythtv box |
| [02:52:00] | phi0x: | anyone know how to get a philips mce remote to work with mythtv/lircd |
| [02:52:00] | phi0x: | i tried to find stuff for it before but when i tried it it didn't work on my xbox but havent tried it on a nix pc |
| [02:53:00] | phi0x: | jeepjerk:what specs on ur friends mythbox? |
| [02:53:00] | phi0x: | jeepjerk: he use knoppmyth? |
| [02:53:00] | JeepJerk: | nope |
| [02:53:00] | JeepJerk: | he bought it preinstalled |
| [02:54:00] | JeepJerk: | its a shuttle box with FC1 |
| [02:54:00] | JeepJerk: | made by some company named Vyond |
| [02:54:00] | gnarface: | Beirdo: hey. how much would it cost me to bribe you to add theora/ogg exporting to nuvexport? |
| [02:54:00] | gnarface: | Beirdo: i'm not joking. gimme a price. |
| [02:55:00] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [02:55:00] | briand: | Okay, I've got a question... |
| [02:55:00] | Beirdo: | write it yourself |
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| [02:55:00] | iggy: | just pray he doesn't charge by the pound |
| [02:55:00] | ** gnarface sob ** | |
| [02:55:00] | Beirdo: | or at least tell us how it's even done |
| [02:55:00] | gnarface: | what do you mean? |
| [02:56:00] | gnarface: | hey you wrote the damn thing. |
| [02:56:00] | briand: | Some of my channels look great, some need a little fine tuning, and some need a lot of fine tuning. Is there a way to *see* the channel as I'm fine-tuning it? I mean, how do I know which way to adjust the slider, must less how much? |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | what tools are used to do it? |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | no I didn't |
| [02:56:00] | gnarface: | oh. |
| [02:56:00] | gnarface: | i thought you made nuvexport? |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | and lose the attitude :) |
| [02:56:00] | gnarface: | well. my bad. |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | xris did, and I helped with the rewrite |
| [02:56:00] | gnarface: | hmm. right now all i can find to make theora files is ffmpeg2theora |
| [02:57:00] | Beirdo: | if you want us to add stuff, you'll have to tell us what tool will do it in the first place |
| [02:57:00] | gnarface: | Beirdo: question: nuv files in a mythbox with hauppage pvr cards are basically just capsulated mpeg2 files righT? |
| [02:58:00] | Beirdo: | no. They ARE just MPEG2 |
| [02:58:00] | Beirdo: | no encapsulation |
| [02:58:00] | gnarface: | really?? |
| [02:58:00] | xris: | gnarface: not even capsulated. just mpeg2 files with a .nuv in the filename |
| [02:58:00] | gnarface: | huh. |
| [02:58:00] | ** xris thinks he should put up a bounty for fixing that whole confusing thing. ** | |
| [02:59:00] | gnarface: | wait a minute |
| [02:59:00] | gnarface: | ffmpeg2theora won't take the nuv files though |
| [02:59:00] | gnarface: | unless i'm doing something wrong :( |
| [03:00:00] | xris: | gnarface: did you transcode them? |
| [03:00:00] | gnarface: | don't think so. |
| [03:00:00] | xris: | file foo.nuv |
| [03:01:00] | gnarface: | gimme a second. the box is still busy. |
| [03:01:00] | gnarface: | (nuvexporting to asf just as a test) |
| [03:01:00] | briand: | anybody? |
| [03:01:00] | Scuzzle: | Thanks mchou and Ashlar. Got the error out and found that I'd got a permission problem with the 'music' subdirectory of my NFS mount. Seems to be working now. (Found a permission problem with cacheing graphics too, and it all works a *lot* faster :) ) |
| [03:01:00] | gnarface: | briand: no idea. |
| [03:01:00] | Ashlar: | coo |
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| [03:02:00] | Scuzzle: | Anyone recommend a quality setting for the CD Ripping? I was thinkign about using OGG on Medium. |
| [03:03:00] | Kronuz: | back |
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| [03:03:00] | gnarface: | Scuzzle: flac all the way baby. |
| [03:03:00] | Kronuz: | needed to try with my other video card (the one in this computer) |
| [03:03:00] | Kronuz: | didn't work tho' |
| [03:03:00] | Kronuz: | :( |
| [03:03:00] | ** SarahEmm uses plain old mp3 ** | |
| [03:03:00] | Kronuz: | I still can't make livetv work... |
| [03:03:00] | gnarface: | actually since my car plays mp3s that's what i use too |
| [03:03:00] | Scuzzle: | gnarface: If I had some money for a new harddrive. :( |
| [03:03:00] | phi0x: | anyone got a screenshot of their highest res channel from their media pc? |
| [03:04:00] | phi0x: | anyone got hdtv setup? |
| [03:04:00] | gnarface: | it goes like this: lame --nspsytune --vbr-new --lowpass 19.5 --athtype 3 --ns-sfb21 2 -Z --scale 0.98 -b128 -B320 -X0 -mj -q0 -V0 -b128 -B320 %w %m |
| [03:04:00] | ** SarahEmm uses mp3 'cuz her ipod uses that ** | |
| [03:05:00] | Kronuz: | I remember I had a simmilar issue with my pvr350 not doing alpha correctly to the overlay or something... you think this might be the same problem with the problem in my nvidia? |
| [03:05:00] | iggy: | sphing: you ever get it going? |
| [03:05:00] | xris: | phi0x: I do, but my video card can't display it (ATI driver bug) |
| [03:05:00] | Scuzzle: | Well, when I set up the system for real use, I'll maybe go MP3 then. But will give OGG a go just now to see what it sounds like. |
| [03:06:00] | ** SarahEmm isn't picky about audio quality anyway so isn't a good judge heh ** | |
| [03:06:00] | gnarface: | xris: it returns [filename]: MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex |
| [03:06:00] | SarahEmm: | ogg aparantly sounds better to people |
| [03:06:00] | xris: | gnarface: then your ffmpeg2theora thing isn't working properly |
| [03:06:00] | gnarface: | xris: they all do in fact, which means no transcoding, right? |
| [03:06:00] | gnarface: | hmm. |
| [03:06:00] | gnarface: | crap. |
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| [03:07:00] | xris: | Scuzzle: ogg is theoretically better quality at lower bitrates than mp3... same for aac. |
| [03:07:00] | xris: | so a 128kbps ogg (vorbis) or aac file will usually sound better than a 128kbps mp3. |
| [03:07:00] | sphing: | iggy: yea it just finished compiling myth |
| [03:07:00] | sphing: | i'm loading myth now... how can I tell if its using XvMC |
| [03:08:00] | xris: | gnarface: if it says mpeg2, that's no transcoding (file can't understand nuv, so if it was nuv, you'd just get "data") |
| [03:08:00] | iggy: | nfc |
| [03:08:00] | gnarface: | Scuzzle: i've found that a 96 kbps ogg is about the same as a 192kbps mp3. its significantly better sounding at lower bitrates, especially with electronica, but also much higher cpu consumption on playback |
| [03:08:00] | sphing: | iggy: ? |
| [03:08:00] | Scuzzle: | Do you know what bitrates the Low/Medium/High in the user interface actually mean? |
| [03:08:00] | gnarface: | SarahEmm: it starts to matter more the more money you spend on your speakers |
| [03:08:00] | SarahEmm: | gnarface: yeah |
| [03:08:00] | iggy: | sphing: I don't know, maybe it says it somewhere in the output |
| [03:08:00] | SarahEmm: | gnarface: and less the less well you hear |
| [03:08:00] | sphing: | iggy: not its an option in the tv playback |
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| [03:09:00] | briand: | okay.... so, the slider is in the middle, and I can adjust the channel fine-tuning 32767 points in either direction, and it needs to be "fine tuned" while not looking at the actual signal. What idiot programmed that part of the interface?? |
| [03:10:00] | SarahEmm2: | briand: lol. nice |
| [03:10:00] | gnarface: | xris: ffmpeg2theora just segfaults instantly no matter what file format/options i throw at it. ideas? |
| [03:10:00] | xris: | gnarface: not a clue. I've never messed with any theora stuff. |
| [03:11:00] | xris: | Beirdo: https://svn.forevermore.net/cooktools/timeline |
| [03:12:00] | Chutt: | xris, yo |
| [03:12:00] | sphing: | iggy: now live tv play cuts to ack |
| [03:12:00] | sphing: | *black |
| [03:12:00] | reel: | did I skip a step? I am trying to follow jarod's guide for fedora and apt-get is not finding the nvidia 7174 |
| [03:12:00] | xris: | Chutt: yo |
| [03:13:00] | Chutt: | i've, ah, been playing games all day |
| [03:13:00] | xris: | heh |
| [03:13:00] | Chutt: | god of war's pretty fun |
| [03:13:00] | xris: | well, I'm about to walk out the door for dinner/movie in 10–15 minutes. |
| [03:13:00] | iggy: | sphing: sound setup right? |
| [03:13:00] | Chutt: | ah |
| [03:13:00] | sphing: | yea it was working before all this... |
| [03:13:00] | Chutt: | i may play around with stuff on my own |
| [03:13:00] | Chutt: | you think it's worth installing the new version of subversion? |
| [03:14:00] | sphing: | but i got this: AvFormatDecoder: Could not find decode for codec (4) |
| [03:14:00] | Chutt: | (no debs yet) |
| [03:14:00] | iggy: | sphing: then no idea, you've exhausted my (arguably limited) knowledge of xvmc and unichrome |
| [03:14:00] | Chutt: | sphing, you didn't compile all of myth with unichrome support. |
| [03:15:00] | sphing: | ... i just did |
| [03:15:00] | Kronuz: | how can I prove XvMC? |
| [03:15:00] | Kronuz: | (without mythtv) |
| [03:15:00] | sphing: | What did i do wrong.. i emerge mythtv with xvmc in my use flags |
| [03:15:00] | Chutt: | xvmc's not unichrome. |
| [03:15:00] | xris: | Chutt: http://forevermore.net/files/for_isaac/ — config goes inside of ~/.subversion/ |
| [03:16:00] | sphing: | Kronuz: grep XvMC /var/log/X* |
| [03:16:00] | xris: | the other may need some stuff added for .c, .h, etc |
| [03:16:00] | JeepJerk: | can someone help me with what to type to upgrade mythtv using yum from strpms |
| [03:16:00] | JeepJerk: | err atrpms |
| [03:16:00] | sphing: | Chutt: unichrome is also in my use |
| [03:16:00] | Kronuz: | sphing: but being there means it's working? |
| [03:16:00] | sphing: | it means its loaded in your x server |
| [03:16:00] | sphing: | (unless you see error) |
| [03:16:00] | Chutt: | sphing, you'll only get that error message if you didn't compile all of myth with support for unichrome. |
| [03:16:00] | Kronuz: | but how do I prove it's working? |
| [03:17:00] | Chutt: | xris, but, should i compile svn 1.2 myself, or is 1.1.4 ok? |
| [03:17:00] | sphing: | Chutt: ok... how can I do that |
| [03:17:00] | Kronuz: | hmm |
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| [03:17:00] | Kronuz: | in PVR-350 the Svideo input is Svideo0, right? |
| [03:17:00] | Chutt: | sphing, i dunno, compile the actual source instead of using the ebuild? |
| [03:17:00] | sphing: | lol |
| [03:17:00] | sphing: | iggy mocked me for trying to do that earlier |
| [03:17:00] | Kronuz: | otherwise that would explain why it isn't working in my tv |
| [03:17:00] | sphing: | damn him |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | Chutt: I'm still using 1.1.x |
| [03:18:00] | iggy: | I'm still going to |
| [03:18:00] | sphing: | iggy: <3 |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | heck, my dev box at work is fc1 and python 2.2 (2.3 makes a big difference) |
| [03:18:00] | Chutt: | heh |
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| [03:18:00] | Chutt: | i'll just use the debs, then |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | ok, just added a couple of hook scripts to that url, too.. I need to update the email script to allow the trac-url to be passed in on the commandline, and will try to do that tomorrow. |
| [03:19:00] | Chutt: | i'll start messing around with stuff |
| [03:20:00] | Chutt: | can always dump the repository and start over later =) |
| [03:20:00] | Kronuz: | who's using PVR-x50 capture and nVidia output? |
| [03:21:00] | xris: | yeah. and Jarod can help you through anything tough.. that and the guys on #trac are friendly/helpful. |
| [03:21:00] | Kronuz: | you know if I connect S-Video to the PVR that's S-Video0 or other (S-Video1, S-Video2, etc) ? |
| [03:21:00] | Ashlar: | Kronuz, tah, svideo0 |
| [03:21:00] | Scuzzle: | Thanks for the help ealier folks. Just realised it's got a *little* late, 3:20am. So will call it a night. Bye. |
| [03:21:00] | iggy: | Kronuz: you've been in here asking questions for the last 2 weeks, you'd figure you'd start trying to answer some of the questions yourself, or give up by now |
| [03:21:00] | Kronuz: | :( |
| [03:21:00] | Kronuz: | iggy: I've been comming here for four days only |
| [03:22:00] | Kronuz: | (two weeks?!?) |
| [03:22:00] | iggy: | that's still too long to be asking us every little question that pops into your mind |
| [03:22:00] | Kronuz: | :P |
| [03:22:00] | iggy: | my point is that you don't seem to be even _trying_ to answer anything on your own |
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| [03:24:00] | JeepJerk: | whats is mythtv-frontend-api? |
| [03:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | Talking about the myth protocol ? |
| [03:25:00] | JeepJerk: | nah |
| [03:25:00] | JeepJerk: | yum says i need it and can't get it |
| [03:25:00] | jemarcks: | Howdy! Has anybody tried the script 'any2vob.sh' to burn dvds? |
| [03:26:00] | sphing: | Chutt: you're right, cause when I disable XvMC it works |
| [03:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | JeepJerk: Ahh ok, |
| [03:26:00] | JeepJerk: | looks like I have myth .15 installed from atrpms and when I run "yum upgrade mythtv-suite" it fails because mythtv-frontend-api in unavailable |
| [03:27:00] | JeepJerk: | s/in/is/ |
| [03:28:00] | JeepJerk: | any thoughts? |
| [03:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm not a user of packages, so not really |
| [03:29:00] | JeepJerk: | me neither |
| [03:29:00] | JeepJerk: | :( |
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| [03:31:00] | JeepJerk: | axel makes the packages right? |
| [03:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have seen that named mentioned in relation to one of the different sets of packages. Don't remember which though :) |
| [03:32:00] | JeepJerk: | he doesn't seem to be a fan of IRC :? |
| [03:32:00] | JeepJerk: | or :/ |
| [03:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's not something I would have taken note of :) |
| [03:33:00] | JeepJerk: | well I build mine from CVS but someone is giving me a 250 gig drive to upgrade theirs from .15 |
| [03:33:00] | JeepJerk: | and its already got the packages |
| [03:34:00] | sphing: | Chutt: I just recomipiled myth and its still with the save format decoder |
| [03:34:00] | JonK: | woot! |
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| [03:37:00] | sphing: | AvFormatDecoder: Could not find decoder for codec (4), ignoring |
| [03:37:00] | sphing: | anyone? |
| [03:37:00] | sphing: | only happens when i try to use XvMC |
| [03:37:00] | Chutt: | again, you didn't compile with unichrome support. |
| [03:38:00] | sphing: | ok Chutt... I jsut recompiled |
| [03:38:00] | sphing: | can I show you my configure? |
| [03:38:00] | Chutt: | no |
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| [03:40:00] | gavindi: | Hey. I am having a problem with using video manager. It freezes with any NVIDIA driver newer than 6106. It freezes when it goes in to scal images etc. Anyone alse seen this or know how to fix it so it works with the newer drivers? |
| [03:42:00] | Chutt: | turn off renderaccel |
| [03:42:00] | phi0x: | anyone know how good that nvidia dual tv tuner is? |
| [03:42:00] | phi0x: | what does the quality look like? |
| [03:42:00] | Chutt: | no linux drivers |
| [03:43:00] | phi0x: | eVGA NVIDIA NVTV PCI 32MB SDR DUAL TV TUNER |
| [03:43:00] | phi0x: | oh it doesnt work for myth ;/ |
| [03:43:00] | phi0x: | ? |
| [03:43:00] | phi0x: | oh yes i see it says designed for mce2k5 only |
| [03:43:00] | Chutt: | what do you think 'no linux drivers' meant? |
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| [03:43:00] | iggy: | the pvr-500 is probably the only dual tuner card that "works" with mythtv |
| [03:44:00] | gavindi: | thanks I'll try that. It is a know problem? |
| [03:44:00] | JonK: | not for me it doesn't :( |
| [03:44:00] | iggy: | and I use works loosely |
| [03:44:00] | SarahEmm2: | iggy: works great here, video at least |
| [03:45:00] | JonK: | it works for sarah though, once she decided to actually run the cable to the card |
| [03:45:00] | SarahEmm2: | lol |
| [03:45:00] | SarahEmm2: | thanks jonk *giggle* |
| [03:45:00] | Ashlar: | hrmm.. anyone know how to determine the port and node settings for firewire capture? 6200ch -v reports node 2, but not sure about port.. |
| [03:45:00] | SarahEmm2: | yeah, once i actually plugged the cable in after 4h of troubleshooting 'no signal', it works great ;) |
| [03:45:00] | SarahEmm2: | the video end does anyway |
| [03:45:00] | SarahEmm2: | VBI doesn't, and i don't know if the audio end works, i assume it does |
| [03:45:00] | JonK: | anyone have any experience with a snapstream firefly remote? |
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| [03:50:00] | JonK: | the silence is deafining |
| [03:50:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [03:50:00] | SarahEmm: | i use the xbox remote with the xbox remote receiver |
| [03:50:00] | SarahEmm: | other frontends just use RF keyboards |
| [03:51:00] | JonK: | how is that? |
| [03:51:00] | JonK: | and do you have to hardware mod your xbox? |
| [03:51:00] | JonK: | by how is that i mean how is the video quality -- |
| [03:51:00] | JonK: | which leads to a more general question: what are the top things i can do to improve video quality? |
| [03:52:00] | SarahEmm: | i flashed my xbox bios, no modchip |
| [03:52:00] | SarahEmm: | video quality looks good to me :) |
| [03:52:00] | JonK: | don't want to lose xbox live |
| [03:52:00] | SarahEmm: | the interface can be a little slow, some people say. i don't mind it. |
| [03:52:00] | SarahEmm: | i may throw another 64MB of RAM in it soon tho to make it snappy again |
| [03:52:00] | JonK: | cam |
| [03:52:00] | SarahEmm: | the fan also bothers some people, that's for you to judge tho :) |
| [03:52:00] | JonK: | can't be slower than my tivo |
| [03:52:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [03:52:00] | SarahEmm: | i dunno |
| [03:52:00] | SarahEmm: | the speed doesn't bother me |
| [03:53:00] | JonK: | damn i love dselect |
| [03:53:00] | SarahEmm: | most people's only negatives are the unsmooth install process often (needing to mod and such), the fan noise, and the slowness (due to only 64MB of RAM causing swapping lots) |
| [03:53:00] | SarahEmm: | the IR receiver works great.. :) |
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| [03:54:00] | JonK: | the ati driver for lirc is supposed to work with the firefly remote, but I have not been able to make it happen at this time |
| [03:55:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh |
| [03:56:00] | JonK: | segfault!! |
| [03:56:00] | JonK: | g- – f – - – - – - d – - – - - |
| [03:57:00] | JonK: | anyone want to play hangman? |
| [03:57:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
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| [03:58:00] | JonK: | think i'll just reboot to windows and play some starcraft |
| [04:00:00] | Chutt: | yay, i broke cvs2svn |
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| [04:01:00] | Ashlar: | hrmm.. tried firewire port 0, 1, 2, 3 (the card only has 4 ports).. 6200ch can change the channel, but the backend can't get a handle on the port.. any ideas on how to determine proper port? I have dmesg of the 1394 raw being loaded, but not sure what to look for in it) |
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| [04:08:00] | Kronuz: | okay, after further analysis, I found that in /dev/video0 under -p 6 is the S-Video I need (if I do a cat in it I get a working mpeg) |
| [04:08:00] | Kronuz: | I tried setting up mythtv to use S-Video0 (which already was) |
| [04:08:00] | sphing: | ... and? |
| [04:08:00] | Kronuz: | but I had no luck, so I decided to delete everything from the setup and start again |
| [04:09:00] | Kronuz: | mythtv-setup gives me unknown errors :P |
| [04:09:00] | SarahEmm: | hrm. yeah, the xbox is noticably slower GUI-wise once you use another box.. heh. on a different floor with a PC-based frontend now, it's significantly faster. |
| [04:09:00] | SarahEmm: | will have to toss more ram into it or something. |
| [04:10:00] | Kronuz: | the thing is I don't fully understand the meaning of channel editor, video sources, and input connection in mythtv's setup |
| [04:10:00] | Kronuz: | could you please tell me what are those for exactly? |
| [04:11:00] | Kronuz: | do I need to set them all up for it to work? (even if I'm not using xmltv or any scheduling system) |
| [04:12:00] | iggy: | go read the damned instructions |
| [04:12:00] | iggy: | like the rest of us did |
| [04:12:00] | mchou: | iggy: haha!! |
| [04:12:00] | ** SarahEmm agrees with iggy ** | |
| [04:12:00] | mchou: | iggy: we were all abused children :) |
| [04:13:00] | Ashlar: | well, via dumb luck, found the right combination.. firewire's cool :) |
| [04:13:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: what STB you connected to? |
| [04:14:00] | Kronuz: | I tried setting them up but when I'm about to exit the setup it says "do you want to fix this problem?" question (with no problem shown) and the yes, pleas and no I know what I'm doing buttons (what's the problem?) |
| [04:15:00] | Ashlar: | mchou: comcast HD box (I assume 6200 rebadge) |
| [04:16:00] | Ashlar: | now to see if zap2it will let me have the same lineup in multiple profiles but different channels selected |
| [04:16:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: hmm, that's not a 5C box or you recording at 640x480? |
| [04:16:00] | sphing: | anyone have any idea why i get a black screen when i try to watch tv with XvMC but not without it |
| [04:16:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [04:16:00] | Ashlar: | mchou: I just set it up, so I'm recording at whatever the hell my default profile is.. 720x480, iirc |
| [04:16:00] | Ashlar: | 5C? |
| [04:17:00] | mchou: | encrypted stream. |
| [04:17:00] | ** Ashlar is really just messing around :) ** | |
| [04:17:00] | Ashlar: | don't even have a good enough frontend to play HDTV, so this is just a 'speriment |
| [04:18:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: what firwire chip you got? (lspci output would be nice) |
| [04:18:00] | mchou: | firewire* |
| [04:18:00] | Ashlar: | via vt6306 |
| [04:19:00] | mchou: | ouch! |
| [04:19:00] | mchou: | I'm surprised that one works! :) |
| [04:19:00] | Ashlar: | well, I actually picked up 3 $9.99 cards at Fry's to see if one of em would work.. 2 of the 3 do, and haven't checked the 3rd one |
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| [04:20:00] | mchou: | vt6306(7?) I think may be buggy |
| [04:20:00] | Ashlar: | lol, shit, just checked the other 2.. all 3 are vt6306.. so much for diversity |
| [04:20:00] | mchou: | the agere or ti ones should work w/o bugs |
| [04:21:00] | mchou: | ALi doesnt work at all afaik. |
| [04:21:00] | Ashlar: | well, no problems so far.. do you know what about them is buggy? |
| [04:21:00] | mchou: | needs driver workaounds. |
| [04:21:00] | Ashlar: | or just random crap-out? |
| [04:21:00] | Ashlar: | ahh |
| [04:22:00] | mchou: | nah, something re packet sizes, iirc. |
| [04:22:00] | mchou: | and other randomness. |
| [04:22:00] | Ashlar: | figures (buggy via crap) |
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| [04:22:00] | sphing: | anyone got unichrome and myth being friends? |
| [04:23:00] | mchou: | ooh, I like to know that one too :) |
| [04:23:00] | Ashlar: | sphing: I repeat.. knoppmyth works out of the box for standard unichrome |
| [04:23:00] | Ashlar: | unichrome pro.. talk to jams ;) |
| [04:23:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: wow, didnt know that! |
| [04:24:00] | mchou: | I 'may have to go to the store and boot off knoppmyth on a unichrome box to give it a shot..... |
| [04:24:00] | Ashlar: | yah, latest alpha works like a _dream_ (one hiccup, have to turn off DPMS, it makes the colors psychedelic) |
| [04:24:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: you using unichrome? |
| [04:25:00] | Ashlar: | yah, got 2 m10k boxen |
| [04:25:00] | mchou: | so how much does unichrome offload mpeg? |
| [04:26:00] | mchou: | like 20% cpu? |
| [04:26:00] | Ashlar: | like 10–20% cpu load watching recordings / livetv |
| [04:26:00] | mchou: | on a M10K? |
| [04:26:00] | mchou: | hmm, that's not bad. |
| [04:26:00] | Ashlar: | yah, blew me away.. |
| [04:27:00] | SarahEmm: | nini all |
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| [04:27:00] | Ashlar: | I was on RH9 with via proprietary drivers before the knoppmyth alpha |
| [04:27:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: what res recordings we talking about here? |
| [04:27:00] | Ashlar: | 720x480 |
| [04:28:00] | Ashlar: | 4500 – 6000 bitrate |
| [04:28:00] | mchou: | wow, this via KM/unichrome box is really starting to look like an excellent deal..... |
| [04:29:00] | mchou: | $160 for A64 3200+ and unicrome mobo. |
| [04:29:00] | Ashlar: | I'm drooling for the nano-itx w mpeg-2/4 decoding myself |
| [04:29:00] | mchou: | another $80 for 1GB ram, ready to rock..... |
| [04:29:00] | mchou: | mpeg4? |
| [04:30:00] | Ashlar: | yah.. hw decoding for 2/4 |
| [04:30:00] | mchou: | link pls? |
| [04:30:00] | Ashlar: | hehe |
| [04:30:00] | mchou: | no cheap HW mpeg4 encoders though |
| [04:30:00] | Ashlar: | http://www.viaembedded.com/product/epia_N_spe . . . rboardId=221 |
| [04:31:00] | Ashlar: | true enough |
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| [04:32:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: hmm, it that out or it's just a pre-announcement? |
| [04:32:00] | mchou: | is* |
| [04:32:00] | Ashlar: | no, I don't think it's out yet.. or only being sold to VAR / OEM shops |
| [04:33:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: you use svid on unichrome or ? |
| [04:33:00] | Ashlar: | yah |
| [04:34:00] | mchou: | Is svid out on unichrome any good? (better than crappy nvidia)? |
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| [04:34:00] | mchou: | nvidia svid out is the shits. |
| [04:34:00] | Ashlar: | eh.. good enough for me.. my 440mx and it are about the same |
| [04:35:00] | mchou: | lol. No what I wanted to hear :( |
| [04:35:00] | Ashlar: | I guess I don't have a 'good' tvout to compare |
| [04:35:00] | mchou: | not* |
| [04:36:00] | Ashlar: | no tearing, good color, a wee bit umm.. maybe 'fuzzy'.. like 95% as sharp as regular s-video from the cable box |
| [04:37:00] | mchou: | soft and fuzzy |
| [04:37:00] | Ashlar: | just a tad |
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| [04:38:00] | Ashlar: | on my projection tv in the living room, I can't see it.. on the tube tv in the bedroom, I can tell |
| [04:38:00] | reel: | why would my computer not boot past the boot loader when I have the s-video plugged in? It works fine with no cable or vga but when there is s-video, it won't go further. it is fc3 with mx420 |
| [04:38:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: you record any HDTV at all via myth? |
| [04:38:00] | mchou: | like 1080i material...... |
| [04:39:00] | mchou: | r 720p |
| [04:39:00] | mchou: | or* |
| [04:39:00] | Ashlar: | mchou: just got the firewire working.. so.. not yet :) |
| [04:40:00] | mchou: | firewire wont record at HD. encrpted. |
| [04:40:00] | Ashlar: | and hell, I don't even have a FE capable of playing it.. but that leads me to an interesting problem |
| [04:40:00] | Ashlar: | ahh, k |
| [04:40:00] | mchou: | encypted* |
| [04:40:00] | ** Ashlar is HD cluebie ** | |
| [04:40:00] | mchou: | at least not on a computer anyways :) |
| [04:41:00] | Ashlar: | interesting.. I thought the whole idea of firewire on cable boxes was for HDTV's with firewire |
| [04:41:00] | mchou: | I was hoping to get this cheap A64 CPU/mobo cobo to playback HDTV recordings. |
| [04:41:00] | clay: | firewire shouldn't be encrypted.. |
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| [04:42:00] | mchou: | clay: that make 2 of us :) |
| [04:42:00] | Ashlar: | that would be an awesome little box for HDTV playback |
| [04:42:00] | mchou: | but I'm concerned about unichrome still. |
| [04:43:00] | acoffee: | anyone could help me with SAP/bilingual with a PVR250? |
| [04:43:00] | mchou: | cause it's not clear to that it will offload HDTV mpeg2 all that well..... |
| [04:43:00] | Ashlar: | mchou: jams put together an awesome mini-itx formfactor box, and I think it was for HDTV |
| [04:43:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: really?? |
| [04:44:00] | Ashlar: | but his board had unichrome pro |
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| [04:44:00] | mchou: | yeah, that's what I'm talking about, unichrome pro. |
| [04:44:00] | Ashlar: | yo jams.. taking your name in vain.. you around? |
| [04:44:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [04:45:00] | Ashlar: | all the marketing fluff re unichrome pro talks about HDTV, but then again, it is marketing fluff.. reality? no clue :/ |
| [04:45:00] | mchou: | exactly. Dont wanna be guinea pig :) |
| [04:46:00] | mchou: | considering unichrome is a PITA to set up in linux. |
| [04:46:00] | mchou: | at least that's what I heard. |
| [04:46:00] | Ashlar: | hrmm.. so there's no way to capture encrypted HDTV? (ugh, don't even mention less than legal alternatives) |
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| [04:46:00] | Ashlar: | well, it used to be.. before knoppmyth alpha :) |
| [04:47:00] | mchou: | you can capture HDTV just fine, just at std def :) |
| [04:47:00] | Ashlar: | recompile xfree86, ugh, compile driver, dri module, ugh ugh, get ivor's patches, recompile kernel, double ugh |
| [04:47:00] | Ashlar: | ahhh, poop |
| [04:47:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: exactly. lot of grunt work |
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| [04:48:00] | mchou: | which was one of the reasons that detered me from m10k |
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| [04:48:00] | Ashlar: | jams is your man re unichrome pro.. last I heard he got it working |
| [04:48:00] | mchou: | alright, good to know. |
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| [04:50:00] | Ashlar: | http://ensim.rowerules.com/mythtv/images/close1.jpg &mda sh; my living room FE |
| [04:50:00] | Ashlar: | ignore the little screen to the right, was testing composite at the same time as s-video |
| [04:50:00] | Ashlar: | err to the left |
| [04:51:00] | mchou: | haha, I was about to ask....you watch tv on postage stamp? |
| [04:51:00] | ananke: | Ashlar : you know, somebody already invented something for placing under plant pots, to catch water :) |
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| [04:51:00] | mchou: | yeah, that too :) |
| [04:52:00] | ananke: | which would be a good idea considering how close that pot is to the back of your tv :) |
| [04:52:00] | Ashlar: | hehe.. Ithere's actually a clay plate under it.. but I can never tell how much water I poured in |
| [04:53:00] | mchou: | many, that's just asking for trouble. :) |
| [04:54:00] | mchou: | that be one expensive plant :) |
| [04:54:00] | Ashlar: | yup.. I live dangerously ;) |
| [04:55:00] | Ashlar: | actually, you can't tell from the picture, but the top shelf comes out pretty far |
| [04:57:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: is m10k in that box??? |
| [04:58:00] | Ashlar: | here's the other one I set up.. I mounted an irman inside the lower drive bay |
| [04:58:00] | Ashlar: | yah |
| [04:58:00] | Ashlar: | http://www.rowerules.com/mythtv/images/bedroom2.jpg |
| [04:58:00] | ZMorek: | does anyone else have problems with the menus not refreshing |
| [04:58:00] | mchou: | lol! you do eatch TV on postage stamp :) |
| [04:58:00] | mchou: | watch* |
| [04:59:00] | ZMorek: | like after you delete a recording, or in the schedule recording screen and change the recording settings, the list doesn't change |
| [04:59:00] | Ashlar: | hehe |
| [05:00:00] | Ashlar: | I was trying to come up with a way to use the composite video out like a twinview thing.. couldn't get it to work tho |
| [05:00:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: how much room you got to manuever in the box (after adding drives, cards, etc.? |
| [05:00:00] | Ashlar: | not designed that way |
| [05:00:00] | Ashlar: | eh, that case is designed pretty nicely.. with some IDE origami, fair amount of empty space |
| [05:01:00] | Ashlar: | especially in the one in the living room without a cdrom |
| [05:01:00] | mchou: | link to case? :) |
| [05:01:00] | Ashlar: | yah, 1 sec.. there's a newer version |
| [05:02:00] | Ashlar: | http://www.caseoutlet.com/shopexd.asp?id=130 |
| [05:03:00] | mchou: | Ashlar: thx man. |
| [05:03:00] | Ashlar: | np.. one thing about that case tho.. the wee tiny case fans have a tendency to collect dust and screech like a dying rat |
| [05:03:00] | Ashlar: | I've had to replace both fans in each case |
| [05:04:00] | Ashlar: | not the PS fan, there's two 2" fans below the PS and above the mobo |
| [05:05:00] | mchou: | yeah, dont bother with those small fans. doubtful they do anything constructive at all. |
| [05:06:00] | Ashlar: | I picked up cheap radio shack replacements.. those actually move some air |
| [05:06:00] | Ashlar: | and quieter |
| [05:06:00] | mchou: | is rat shack aint cheap :) |
| [05:06:00] | mchou: | strike is :) |
| [05:07:00] | mchou: | rat shack is pricy. |
| [05:07:00] | Ashlar: | *nod* |
| [05:07:00] | Ashlar: | I couldn't find em anywhere local except there.. and I'm impatient, want that instant gratification of getting them in my hands _now_ |
| [05:07:00] | mchou: | $85, that's a bit steep for a tiny case like that :) |
| [05:08:00] | Ashlar: | yah, you can prolly find it cheaper elsewhere.. that was jsut where I had a bookmark for it |
| [05:08:00] | Ashlar: | I got a case + mobo for like.. umm.. $219? $229? this was over 1.5 yr ago |
| [05:10:00] | KarlosII: | hey, is the pvr 150 any good? |
| [05:14:00] | reel: | KarlosII: i have the 150 mce and it works well |
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| [05:15:00] | Kronuz: | how do you uninstall a plugin? |
| [05:15:00] | Kronuz: | (so it no longer appears in mythtv) |
| [05:15:00] | Ashlar: | remove it from the plugins dir |
| [05:15:00] | Kronuz: | just like that? |
| [05:15:00] | KarlosII: | sorry say that again? |
| [05:15:00] | Ashlar: | libmythwhatever.so |
| [05:16:00] | Kronuz: | hmmm that's easy |
| [05:16:00] | KarlosII: | is the pvr 150 any good? |
| [05:16:00] | Ashlar: | the nice way to do it would be to remove the images, xml, etc etc.. |
| [05:16:00] | Kronuz: | :S |
| [05:16:00] | Ashlar: | but that'll do |
| [05:16:00] | Kronuz: | those won't load once the .so is gone, right? |
| [05:16:00] | reel: | KarlosII: i have the 150 mce and it works well |
| [05:16:00] | Ashlar: | yup |
| [05:17:00] | Kronuz: | Ashlar:k, thanks :) |
| [05:17:00] | KarlosII: | hmm |
| [05:17:00] | Ashlar: | np.. I had to manually install some plugins on my xboxes, so I know all those damned little files |
| [05:17:00] | Kronuz: | any ideas why my OSD in LiveTV is in black and white? |
| [05:17:00] | Ashlar: | mythgame, mythgallery, etc |
| [05:18:00] | Kronuz: | (I have set everything to NTSC, my TV is NTSC... unless I missed something) |
| [05:18:00] | Ashlar: | just the OSD? what output? PVR-350? epia? |
| [05:19:00] | Kronuz: | I'm using pvr350 to the input only |
| [05:19:00] | Kronuz: | nvidia for output |
| [05:19:00] | Kronuz: | the osd is all I can see, the video isn't showing |
| [05:19:00] | Kronuz: | (who knows why :P) |
| [05:19:00] | Ashlar: | ahh.. XvMC enabled for output? (seem to remember b&w OSD in the mailing list) |
| [05:19:00] | Ashlar: | ahh |
| [05:20:00] | Kronuz: | yep XvMC is enabled, but it was disabled and it also showed in b&w |
| [05:20:00] | Ashlar: | work on the picture first, then OSD ;) |
| [05:20:00] | epoch: | Kronuz: does your playback seem choppy? |
| [05:20:00] | Kronuz: | :P |
| [05:20:00] | Kronuz: | I was wondering if it might be related |
| [05:20:00] | epoch: | cuz I have the same setup as you, and it's all choppy for some reason |
| [05:21:00] | Kronuz: | epoch: on live tv, or videos/dvd? |
| [05:21:00] | epoch: | [mpeg2video @ 0x40965010]00 motion_type at 7 11 |
| [05:21:00] | epoch: | and I'm getting that crap in the console all over the place too |
| [05:21:00] | epoch: | Kronuz: both |
| [05:21:00] | Kronuz: | my video is fine under mplayer/xine |
| [05:21:00] | Ashlar: | alright folks.. sleepytime.. night all |
| [05:21:00] | epoch: | oh, I haven't tested those |
| [05:21:00] | Kronuz: | I can't get video out of my live tv |
| [05:21:00] | epoch: | I'm talking live tv and recordings |
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| [05:22:00] | Kronuz: | night Ashlar |
| [05:22:00] | epoch: | you don't have the pvr350 output enabled do you? |
| [05:22:00] | Kronuz: | epoch: pm |
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| [05:36:00] | aficionado: | Hi, if the screen on my TV is a little off to the right, top, left AND bottom, what parameters do I have wrong? I have changed the actual resolution (1700x500) but that didn't help much |
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| [05:46:00] | aficionado: | Hi, anyone have experience with outputting to an HDTV? The screen is a little expanded (the edges are off the screen) |
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| [05:55:00] | Jurian_Knight: | anyone around? |
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| [05:56:00] | aficionado: | Jurian_Knight: me :( |
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| [05:58:00] | JeffH: | what's up? |
| [05:58:00] | Jurian_Knight: | heh, you're unlikely to be of help to me... |
| [05:58:00] | aficionado: | Jurian_Knight: you are probably right :) |
| [06:00:00] | aficionado: | Jurian_Knight: so what parameters of a modeline can move and resize the screen to fit the TV? =D |
| [06:04:00] | Jurian_Knight: | dunno, how are you connecting your mythbox to the hdtv? |
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| [06:04:00] | aficionado: | yup |
| [06:05:00] | Jurian_Knight: | ... that wasn't a yes/no question... |
| [06:05:00] | aficionado: | oh, sorry... I was actually reading an article about the resolutions :) |
| [06:05:00] | aficionado: | the tv has a DVI port |
| [06:06:00] | Jurian_Knight: | and your using the DVI? i've never used DVI in linux, but i guess you'd set your X resolution to the TV's... |
| [06:07:00] | aficionado: | yeah, but thats the shitty part, the modelines are not standard |
| [06:07:00] | Jurian_Knight: | hmm... |
| [06:07:00] | aficionado: | and I haven't found anyone else who has connected to this tv |
| [06:07:00] | Jurian_Knight: | have you tried it? |
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| [06:07:00] | aficionado: | yeah, I am connected to it right now |
| [06:08:00] | UncleBill: | hello friends |
| [06:08:00] | aficionado: | everything seems to work except its a little wider than the actual screen |
| [06:08:00] | Kronuz: | finally I got my box working :) |
| [06:08:00] | UncleBill: | can anyone recommend between xfs and ext3 on a box I'll use to store videos and access them via nfs from mythtv? |
| [06:09:00] | Kronuz: | xfs is a lot faster, or so I've heard |
| [06:09:00] | Jurian_Knight: | ok, so what's the problem? you got the desktop to fill the screen right? are you trying to get the video to do the same? |
| [06:09:00] | UncleBill: | a lot faster in general? or specific to video? are there other differences? |
| [06:09:00] | Jurian_Knight: | Uncle: XFS is faster with the large files that video capturing uses... |
| [06:10:00] | Kronuz: | yeah, only for big files and small tree structures |
| [06:10:00] | Kronuz: | hey, how do you use the recording the 'r' button? if I press 'r', I see: Recording "" |
| [06:10:00] | Kronuz: | but nothing is recorded... I suppose 'cause as recording says ("") it has no name |
| [06:10:00] | UncleBill: | what do you mean by "tree structures", Kronuz? are you referring to directories? |
| [06:10:00] | Kronuz: | yep |
| [06:10:00] | Kronuz: | directories |
| [06:10:00] | ** Jurian_Knight doesn't use his mythbox for live-tv, he only uses it for mythweb, and playback :) ** | |
| [06:11:00] | UncleBill: | sold. xfs it is. thanks, gents. |
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| [06:11:00] | Jurian_Knight: | aficionado: still there? |
| [06:11:00] | Kronuz: | so, what about it? about the recording 'r' option? |
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| [06:12:00] | Kronuz: | has anyone used it? |
| [06:12:00] | aficionado: | Jurian_Knight: sup, did I miss something again? :-/ |
| [06:12:00] | Jurian_Knight: | yeah, i was asking that if you can see your desktop, what's your problem? |
| [06:13:00] | aficionado: | Jurian_Knight: apparently its overscanning (something that tvs do to accomodate for the inaccuricies) |
| [06:13:00] | aficionado: | the desktop is getting cut-off on all sides |
| [06:13:00] | Jurian_Knight: | on DVI? that seems odd... |
| [06:13:00] | Jurian_Knight: | what are you using for a video card? |
| [06:14:00] | aficionado: | Jurian_Knight: no idea if it really is overscanning, but thats my first guess :) |
| [06:14:00] | aficionado: | FX5200 |
| [06:14:00] | Jurian_Knight: | heh, i got that card... nice little bugger... |
| [06:14:00] | aficionado: | http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=918 <-- talks about overscanning (still reading) |
| [06:14:00] | Jurian_Knight: | http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/ |
| [06:14:00] | Exstatica: | i just upgraded my myth and i think mplayer went with it... now all my videos are out of sync.... and if i launch mplayer in a session i get your computer is not fast enough to play this... but i never got this before |
| [06:15:00] | Kronuz: | what's the livetv recording video size? |
| [06:15:00] | Kronuz: | (the default) |
| [06:15:00] | Kronuz: | I'm using PVR 350 |
| [06:15:00] | Kronuz: | (for input) |
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| [06:15:00] | rpete: | 480x480 maybe? you can check easily enough |
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| [06:19:00] | Netslayer: | hey in order to use the ir remote control with lirc do i need to first install the ivtv drivers? |
| [06:19:00] | Netslayer: | off of a pvr250 card |
| [06:20:00] | Jurian_Knight: | aficionado: what's your xorg resolution set at? |
| [06:20:00] | Jurian_Knight: | *xorg.conf |
| [06:20:00] | aficionado: | 1920x540 |
| [06:20:00] | Jurian_Knight: | what's your TV model? |
| [06:21:00] | Jurian_Knight: | i think i may be onto something here... |
| [06:21:00] | aficionado: | (if I can only copy and paste the URL from the browser :)) |
| [06:21:00] | aficionado: | 12:21 < Jurian_Knight> what's your TV model? |
| [06:22:00] | aficionado: | sorry |
| [06:22:00] | Jurian_Knight: | ... |
| [06:22:00] | aficionado: | http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/televisions/details.asp?id=43 |
| [06:22:00] | aficionado: | there you go, finally! |
| [06:22:00] | Kronuz: | where was that opyion about hardware encoder? |
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| [06:23:00] | Kronuz: | 'cause there in the setup is one where it says: Transcoder: Autodetect |
| [06:24:00] | Kronuz: | and you can select low and high quality as well, but then in the transcoders, it says PVR35 hardwar encoder (which has default, hight, medium and low quality) and also there is Transcoders which have many (high, low quality, mpeg4, etc) |
| [06:25:00] | Jurian_Knight: | hmm... |
| [06:25:00] | Kronuz: | so how do I know if that other option that says Transcoder: Autodetect, if I chage it to low quality it will use the hardware low quality transcoder and not the other low quality software transcoder? |
| [06:26:00] | Kronuz: | :P |
| [06:26:00] | Jurian_Knight: | aficionado: where is the overscan on the TV? all the sides? |
| [06:26:00] | aficionado: | Jurian_Knight: yup |
| [06:26:00] | Kronuz: | Jurian_Knight: I hope it made sense once complete :P |
| [06:26:00] | aficionado: | all sides |
| [06:27:00] | Kronuz: | nv |
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| [06:27:00] | Kronuz: | g2g |
| [06:27:00] | Kronuz: | thanks |
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| [06:27:00] | Jurian_Knight: | aficionado: try setting your resolution to 1920x780, see if that helps any... |
| [06:28:00] | aficionado: | Jurian_Knight: ok, I am going to try that, brb |
| [06:28:00] | aficionado: | have to restart X :) |
| [06:28:00] | Jurian_Knight: | gl |
| [06:28:00] | aficionado: | thanks |
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| [06:36:00] | aficionado: | Jurian_Knight: nope, it complained about the vertical timings |
| [06:36:00] | Jurian_Knight: | hmm... |
| [06:36:00] | Jurian_Knight: | i would've though it would've bitched about the horizontal... |
| [06:37:00] | aficionado: | the horizontal params are good, I think |
| [06:37:00] | Jurian_Knight: | HDTV resolutions are as follows: 1280x720 (720p), 1920x1080 (1080i) |
| [06:38:00] | Jurian_Knight: | and 720 didn't work? |
| [06:38:00] | aficionado: | I think 1920x1080 is actually 1080p, and 1080i is just 1920x540 (I think) |
| [06:38:00] | aficionado: | and my TV supports 1080i |
| [06:38:00] | briand: | it complained about the vertical timings? what's your refresh frequency? |
| [06:38:00] | Jurian_Knight: | ok, try setting this: 1200x540 |
| [06:38:00] | briand: | 60Hz, 72Hz, 75Hz, 85Hz ?? |
| [06:38:00] | Jurian_Knight: | i don't think your tv is truely HDTV native... |
| [06:39:00] | aficionado: | looking... |
| [06:39:00] | Jurian_Knight: | HDTV should always be 60Hz |
| [06:39:00] | briand: | tv in general should be yes |
| [06:39:00] | Chutt: | err, no, it shouldn't |
| [06:39:00] | Jurian_Knight: | unless it's 1080i :P |
| [06:39:00] | briand: | dunno about hdtv |
| [06:39:00] | Chutt: | there's a shitload of supported framerates |
| [06:40:00] | sphing: | i realize this might be a stupid question but... does mythtv do season passes? |
| [06:40:00] | aficionado: | HorizSync 20–96, VertRefresh 50–75 |
| [06:40:00] | ** briand wonders how many framerates are packed into a shitload, nowadays... ** | |
| [06:40:00] | aficionado: | I think these values were suggested by the hwd command |
| [06:40:00] | Chutt: | and i don't even think 60hz is one of them |
| [06:40:00] | aficionado: | briand: haha |
| [06:40:00] | briand: | 50 < 60 < 75 |
| [06:40:00] | Jurian_Knight: | aficionado: i'm thinking your TV's true resolution is 1200x540 (the 540 is half the 1080i mode) |
| [06:41:00] | aficionado: | why 1200? |
| [06:41:00] | Jurian_Knight: | i read it on cnet, who knows if it's true... |
| [06:41:00] | Jurian_Knight: | http://shopper.cnet.com/Mitsubishi_WS_55513/4 . . . 90&sort= |
| [06:41:00] | aficionado: | hmm... |
| [06:42:00] | Jurian_Knight: | it says the Horizontal resolution is 1200 |
| [06:42:00] | Chutt: | no, it says the horizontal lines of resolution is 1200 |
| [06:42:00] | Jurian_Knight: | you still have the manual for the thing? |
| [06:42:00] | Chutt: | that means the "native" resolution is about 2400x whatever |
| [06:42:00] | Chutt: | but since it's a crt, it doesn't really have a horizontal resolution |
| [06:42:00] | aficionado: | Jurian_Knight: the manual didn't say much about the actual "resolution" it just says it supports 1080i |
| [06:43:00] | sphing: | anyone... season pass? |
| [06:43:00] | GotD0t: | sure does |
| [06:43:00] | Jurian_Knight: | does it include any directions as to hooking it up to a PC? |
| [06:43:00] | aficionado: | Jurian_Knight: just that, I shouldn't :) |
| [06:44:00] | Jurian_Knight: | you'd think it would give you the TVs native resolution in there... |
| [06:44:00] | Chutt: | it's a crt, it doesn't have a native resolution |
| [06:44:00] | aficionado: | :-/ |
| [06:44:00] | Chutt: | if you feed it 1080i, it'll display it |
| [06:44:00] | Chutt: | 720p as well, likely |
| [06:44:00] | Chutt: | or any other valid format |
| [06:45:00] | Jurian_Knight: | we tried feeding it a native format, it doesn't like the vertical |
| [06:45:00] | aficionado: | http://68.190.122.245:9696/temp/Xorg.0.log_TV <--- here is the xorg log file |
| [06:46:00] | aficionado: | if you look in there, it actually has some info that I think the TV sent back |
| [06:46:00] | aficionado: | search for "h_active: 1920" |
| [06:47:00] | Jurian_Knight: | http://www.epinions.com/content_147982487172 |
| [06:47:00] | Jurian_Knight: | try 1200x1200 it worked on the reviewer's box... |
| [06:48:00] | aficionado: | hmmm... |
| [06:48:00] | Chutt: | that review says nothing of the sort |
| [06:48:00] | aficionado: | Chutt: I agree |
| [06:48:00] | Jurian_Knight: | hmm... "This television has 1200 x 1200 lines of resolution to it and can do everything you need it to." |
| [06:49:00] | aficionado: | so do the values in the xorg log file say much? |
| [06:49:00] | Chutt: | jurian_knight, read what i wrote 7 minutes ago |
| [06:49:00] | Chutt: | aficionado, what resolution were you sending it earlier? |
| [06:49:00] | Jurian_Knight: | ok, stop being an ass |
| [06:49:00] | Chutt: | how the hell is that being an ass? |
| [06:50:00] | aficionado: | I have tried 1920x540 and 720x480 |
| [06:50:00] | Jurian_Knight: | you're just writing me off and what i have to say, that's being an ass |
| [06:51:00] | aficionado: | lol |
| [06:51:00] | Chutt: | because you're wrong, and you're ignoring things |
| [06:51:00] | Chutt: | and you're certainly confusing the matter |
| [06:51:00] | Jurian_Knight: | wow, and you know all? then you help him |
| [06:51:00] | Chutt: | i know a lot more than you, that's for sure |
| [06:51:00] | aficionado: | ok, can we stop :-/ |
| [06:52:00] | Chutt: | things like what 'lines of resolution' means, when referring to a tv |
| [06:52:00] | Chutt: | crazy how that's related, huh |
| [06:52:00] | Jurian_Knight: | oh fine, "scan lines" you happy? |
| [06:52:00] | Chutt: | that's something completely different |
| [06:53:00] | Chutt: | aficionado, there've been a bunch of working 540p/1080i modelines posted to the users list, btw |
| [06:54:00] | aficionado: | Chutt: can you please give me the URL to the list? |
| [06:54:00] | Chutt: | mythtv.org |
| [06:54:00] | Chutt: | there's links to the archives |
| [06:55:00] | aficionado: | is there an easy way to search the archives? |
| [06:55:00] | Chutt: | err, yes? |
| [06:57:00] | aficionado: | hmmm |
| [06:58:00] | sphing: | "No XvMC found" |
| [06:58:00] | sphing: | Chutt: is that cause I'm doing something wrong still with the unichrome? |
| [06:58:00] | Chutt: | quite possibly |
| [06:59:00] | Chutt: | what are you getting that from? |
| [06:59:00] | sphing: | mythfrontend -v playback |
| [06:59:00] | sphing: | when i watch live tv |
| [07:00:00] | Chutt: | means your X server doesn't have xvmc enabled. |
| [07:00:00] | sphing: | ok |
| [07:01:00] | sphing: | is there another way to test that besides myth |
| [07:01:00] | JeepJerk: | anyone every seen this one? [root@mythtv /]# mythbackend --help |
| [07:01:00] | JeepJerk: | mythbackend: relocation error: /usr/lib/libmyth-0.18.1.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZN9QGroupBox10setEnabledEb |
| [07:01:00] | Chutt: | nothing else will work, with how you have things now |
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| [07:16:00] | JeepJerk: | I'll take that as a no |
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| [09:03:00] | adante: | i'm using dvb and find I sometimes lose sound when I change channels.. exiting and reentering watch tv fixes the problem but it's a bit cumbersome |
| [09:03:00] | adante: | i'm sure i found something in the mailing list about this but i can't seem to find it again.. can anybody confirm I didn't dream this up? |
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| [10:00:00] | compwiz312: | hi, i'm interested in setting up a mythtv system to use in my college dorm. What I am trying to setup is a clientless recording system (i have this part figured out) and a way to access it from my windows laptop. I've read a few places about compiling mythfrontend on cygwin and/or mingw, (in particular; this one: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ASC;mh=25;li |
| [10:01:00] | compwiz312: | heres an easier version of the url: |
| [10:01:00] | compwiz312: | http://tinyurl.com/cah4p |
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| [11:33:00] | holycow: | hi all |
| [11:33:00] | holycow: | i managed to get myth setup on ubuntu, downloading channel listings from zap2it site ... |
| [11:34:00] | holycow: | ... but i still get no signals on channels |
| [11:34:00] | holycow: | how do i scan the cable for live signal? |
| [11:34:00] | laga: | well. |
| [11:34:00] | holycow: | i can't seem to select the 'scan for channels' option in mythtv-setup section :/ |
| [11:34:00] | laga: | mythtv doesn't scan for channels. |
| [11:35:00] | holycow: | oh it doesn't? |
| [11:35:00] | laga: | at least, not in the standard release. there is an experimental patch ;) |
| [11:35:00] | laga: | holycow: it only scans for DVB channels |
| [11:36:00] | ** holycow googles dvb ** | |
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| [11:36:00] | holycow: | oh digital |
| [11:37:00] | holycow: | i don't have any of those services |
| [11:37:00] | holycow: | okay so the idea then is, myth uses a 'chanel' guide of some sort, correct? |
| [11:38:00] | laga: | yeah |
| [11:39:00] | laga: | i guess zap2it should provide you with the correct 'frequency ids' |
| [11:40:00] | KillerBunny: | Is the next myth out soon ? |
| [11:41:00] | laga: | KillerBunny: "when it's done" ;) |
| [11:41:00] | laga: | KillerBunny: i don't know. IIRC, the devs want to develop a new user interface. |
| [11:41:00] | KillerBunny: | I just wanna know because im thinking about upgrading to 18 from 17. |
| [11:41:00] | KillerBunny: | So if 19 is out in a day i 2 i will not bother. |
| [11:41:00] | laga: | KillerBunny: dont think so. |
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| [11:42:00] | KillerBunny: | Are they completely redoing the UI ? |
| [11:43:00] | ** _joey can't decide which application to install mythtv or vdr ** | |
| [11:43:00] | laga: | KillerBunny: no...you will still be able to use the old stuff, if i recall correctly. people with fast machines will use the new opengl stuff, i guess |
| [11:44:00] | KillerBunny: | sweet. |
| [11:44:00] | KillerBunny: | _joey, and you ask in here... |
| [11:44:00] | KarlosII: | vdr? |
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| [11:45:00] | KillerBunny: | http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/ <-- maybe? |
| [11:45:00] | _joey: | where else ? |
| [11:45:00] | KillerBunny: | A place where you will get an objective view? |
| [11:45:00] | holycow: | heh |
| [11:46:00] | holycow: | i love the retro vhs tapes next to that vdr :) |
| [11:46:00] | _joey: | and no trolls |
| [11:46:00] | Cardoe: | Just go with Windows Media Center |
| [11:47:00] | holycow: | evil |
| [11:47:00] | KillerBunny: | Im not trolling you, im just trying to make sence in your apoach. |
| [11:50:00] | _joey: | yes , you are trolling |
| [11:50:00] | _joey: | what's wrong with asking a question about vdr and muthtv here ? |
| [11:50:00] | _joey: | troll:) |
| [11:50:00] | laga: | i'd recommend mythtv. |
| [11:50:00] | _joey: | you think you can only give a subjective answer feel free to comment |
| [11:51:00] | _joey: | laga why ? |
| [11:51:00] | laga: | because this is #mythtv-users. |
| [11:51:00] | _joey: | :) |
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| [11:55:00] | _joey: | if I could only stick dvb-s Hauppauge in xbox , I'd have gone with media centre |
| [12:28:00] | |maniacx|: | Hi, trying to import audio cd's with mythmusic. it does not fetch cddb information. is this normal? tried same cd with grip. there it does. |
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| [12:28:00] | KillerBunny: | It should maniacxs |
| [12:37:00] | maniacxs: | KillerBunny: it says for the cd working with grip "Couldn't find your CD..." |
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| [12:38:00] | KillerBunny: | maybe cddb acually doesnt have your cd. |
| [12:38:00] | maniacxs: | this cd works with grip it tried it a few minutes ago. |
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| [12:43:00] | mrproper_: | Anyone here running DVB in australia? |
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| [12:48:00] | maniacxs: | KillerBunny: cddb.pl does it job fine, too. same host, same cd. |
| [12:51:00] | KillerBunny: | I cant remeber if you have to specify where cddb.pl is. |
| [12:51:00] | KillerBunny: | But try to look in the options for music. |
| [12:53:00] | maniacxs: | isn't the only option: "do automatic lookups"? |
| [13:07:00] | maniacxs: | KillerBunny: with SERVER=cddbp://freedb.freedb.org:888/~cddb/cddb.cgi CDDB in .cdserverrc it works |
| [13:08:00] | KillerBunny: | I have no idea dude. |
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| [13:31:00] | chaos: | has anyone had any issues playing back DVB-recorded files, with the sound randomly stopping part way through the stream? In files where this happens, I have tried playing them with mplayer – and it has no issues at all (perfect sound). |
| [13:31:00] | chaos: | There is mention of 0.18.1 fixing a "live tv DVB sound related issue" .. yet I am running latest CVS and have this issue, and it's been there for a while. |
| [13:31:00] | chaos: | any ideas? |
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| [13:47:00] | mrproper_: | im currently having issues with dvb channels, standard def channels work flawlessly, high def channels stutter constantly, checking the signal strength on those channels seems pretty good, no errors or lost blocks snr is around 70%, the machine is sitting at around 60% cpu usage |
| [13:47:00] | chaos: | hmm |
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| [13:47:00] | chaos: | seems like a different issue – this is standard def... |
| [13:47:00] | chaos: | sometimes i get a video glitch (signal issues) |
| [13:48:00] | chaos: | then the audio just stops for the rest of the stream |
| [13:48:00] | chaos: | but if i play the same file in mplayer, audio is fine |
| [13:49:00] | mrproper_: | hehe sorry wasnt stating that with your problem i was asking if anyone knows the fix or where to troubleshoot |
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| [13:50:00] | the-FoX: | hi! |
| [13:50:00] | chaos: | mrproper_: ahh |
| [13:50:00] | chaos: | mrproper_: have you checked that your IDE controller drivers are compiled in? |
| [13:50:00] | chaos: | otherwise you will get poor disk performance, and HD will be crap |
| [13:51:00] | chaos: | what does hdparm -t <disk_device> return in terms of speed? |
| [13:51:00] | mrproper_: | 40.94 MB/sec |
| [13:51:00] | the-FoX: | i need some help at two problems i got at the moment: 1. mythtv is compiled with dvb and eit enabled, but it doesn't work...2. watchging dvb-t tv, the video stops every second for some msecs the audio doesn't stop |
| [13:51:00] | chaos: | mrproper_: hmm.. no probs there |
| [13:52:00] | chaos: | the-FoX: remote frontend, or on same machine? |
| [13:52:00] | the-FoX: | same machine |
| [13:52:00] | chaos: | the-FoX: hmm.. odd |
| [13:52:00] | the-FoX: | sometimes machine hangs up :( |
| [13:53:00] | chaos: | the-Fox: what distro/kernel/etc? |
| [13:53:00] | the-FoX: | kernel 2.6.12-rc6 |
| [13:53:00] | the-FoX: | debian |
| [13:53:00] | chaos: | the-FoX: pretty bleeding edge kernel.. |
| [13:53:00] | chaos: | the-FoX: i take it you have your IDE driver compiled in – i.e. no disk perf issues. |
| [13:54:00] | laga: | the-FoX: please do a 'hdparm -tT /your/hdd' |
| [13:54:00] | the-FoX: | "bleeding edge" ? what do you mean ? is it positive or negative ? ;) yes i'll test my disks..wait |
| [13:55:00] | the-FoX: | ups..my mythtv -cache disk got 6mb/s ? very slow or ? |
| [13:55:00] | chaos: | the-Fox: a very recent, non-release-version kernel.. not necessarily a good thing |
| [13:55:00] | chaos: | the-Fox: ahh |
| [13:55:00] | laga: | the-FoX: yeah, very slow. what kind of disk is it? |
| [13:55:00] | chaos: | the-Fox: that might be your problem. |
| [13:55:00] | chaos: | the-Fox: can you PM me your output from lspci? |
| [13:56:00] | the-FoX: | maybe it was a problem that backend and frontend are startetd... |
| [13:56:00] | the-FoX: | one momennt i'll retest with hdparm |
| [13:56:00] | chaos: | ok |
| [13:56:00] | mrproper_: | this is strange, highdef sits at 46% cpu still have around 40meg ram free and its like video in slow motion |
| [14:00:00] | chaos: | what CPU? |
| [14:02:00] | mrproper_: | sempron 2200 |
| [14:03:00] | chaos: | ahh |
| [14:03:00] | mrproper_: | ? |
| [14:03:00] | chaos: | hmm..you might be pushing it there... remember a HD channel can be upwards of 20mb/s... |
| [14:04:00] | chaos: | mind you if you are only on 46%.. |
| [14:05:00] | mrproper_: | exactly |
| [14:05:00] | mrproper_: | standard def channels are only using 15–20% |
| [14:06:00] | chaos: | what X server, what video card? |
| [14:08:00] | mrproper_: | xorg + xfce + fx5200 |
| [14:08:00] | chaos: | using the binary nvidia driver? |
| [14:08:00] | mrproper_: | no |
| [14:09:00] | mrproper_: | atrpms nvidia drivers |
| [14:09:00] | chaos: | hmm..you'd get better vid perfomance with that.. |
| [14:10:00] | chaos: | brb |
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| [14:10:00] | mrproper_: | yay fixed it |
| [14:11:00] | laga: | what did help? |
| [14:12:00] | mrproper_: | well ok i was a bit ahead of myself |
| [14:13:00] | mrproper_: | it seems to have fixed one of the hd channels, i had disabled all non needed services (fedora core 3) but hadnt rebooted to stop them all therefore taking up alot of physical ram |
| [14:13:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [14:13:00] | laga: | nice |
| [14:13:00] | mrproper_: | i was operating on 30meg free (physical ram) now im on 80 |
| [14:14:00] | mrproper_: | seems to have made a difference on 1 channel, i think the other problem ones are signal related as im getting artifacts on those |
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| [14:22:00] | scuzzy: | anyone know about this "unbuffered paused# issue? |
| [14:22:00] | scuzzy: | errr " |
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| [14:24:00] | chaos: | seems i've solved my DVB-T audio problem |
| [14:25:00] | chaos: | apparantly it's a good idea to use "TS mode" rather than "PS mode" to record the streams |
| [14:26:00] | chaos: | miles of improvement |
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| [15:04:00] | scuzzy: | hey |
| [15:04:00] | Anduin: | scuzzy – it reads the myth keys from the myth config directory (from a lircrc file) |
| [15:05:00] | scuzzy: | Anduin: ok |
| [15:05:00] | Anduin: | scuzzy – usually ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [15:05:00] | scuzzy: | and then listens directly to the devies, or it just enteprets the output of lircd... |
| [15:05:00] | scuzzy: | rather, what lircd is saying? |
| [15:05:00] | Anduin: | lircd is a server, myth connects to it using the lirc client lib |
| [15:06:00] | scuzzy: | yeah, exactly |
| [15:06:00] | scuzzy: | anyway, I think I get what youre saying... |
| [15:06:00] | scuzzy: | something else.. |
| [15:06:00] | scuzzy: | what is a "prebuffering pause" |
| [15:06:00] | scuzzy: | ? |
| [15:06:00] | Ashlar: | ahh, the dreaded 'prebuffering pause' |
| [15:06:00] | scuzzy: | lol |
| [15:07:00] | scuzzy: | I've read a little about them |
| [15:07:00] | Anduin: | a pause that happens while prebuffering (usually network or io related... or bug) |
| [15:07:00] | scuzzy: | prebuffering the stream? |
| [15:07:00] | Anduin: | yes |
| [15:07:00] | scuzzy: | any advice on how to, get rid of em? |
| [15:07:00] | scuzzy: | or rather, the cause? |
| [15:07:00] | scuzzy: | cus I'm running the server and client on the same host |
| [15:08:00] | Anduin: | the cause is that there isn't enough data in the buffer |
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| [15:08:00] | Ashlar: | could be anything from eth0 problems, to ram, to wireless, to audio, or video / drivers |
| [15:08:00] | scuzzy: | so it's playing back a tv stream, faster than it's filling it? |
| [15:08:00] | Ashlar: | basically, yah |
| [15:09:00] | scuzzy: | is there any particular ram maybe, that causes this issue? |
| [15:09:00] | scuzzy: | and, if you had it, how did you solve it? |
| [15:09:00] | Anduin: | scuzzy – do you see this all the time (i.e. live and recorded)? |
| [15:09:00] | scuzzy: | I havent managed to get it record properly... but if I pause the stream for a few minutes, it doesn't happen |
| [15:10:00] | scuzzy: | I'm assuming thats cus the buffer it nice and full |
| [15:10:00] | Anduin: | scuzzy – it is very common while a stream first starts |
| [15:10:00] | scuzzy: | put it this way, if I've watched tv for a while, it'll suddenly start happening |
| [15:10:00] | Ashlar: | scuzzy: try erabling 'extra audio buffering' |
| [15:11:00] | scuzzy: | mkay |
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| [15:11:00] | scuzzy: | I'll write that down, cus I'm watching something I'm enjoying.. hehehe |
| [15:11:00] | scuzzy: | Ashlar: ta. (: |
| [15:11:00] | Ashlar: | and realtime prioriry threading, or whatever it's called under setup -> tv -> playback |
| [15:12:00] | scuzzy: | well, the machines ive got is very fast.... |
| [15:12:00] | scuzzy: | so it's not realted to a slow machine |
| [15:13:00] | Ashlar: | doesn't seem to make a difference sometimes.. my xbox's get it without that checked, and my fast frontend does without realtime priority |
| [15:13:00] | Ashlar: | fast = AMD XP3200 |
| [15:13:00] | Ashlar: | so that's relative for me |
| [15:14:00] | scuzzy: | I got an intel p4, 3.2Ghz |
| [15:14:00] | jemarcks: | fast – IA64 Itainium :O |
| [15:14:00] | scuzzy: | lol |
| [15:15:00] | Ashlar: | yah, the pre-buffering pause can occur for myriad reasons, not all related to speed.. but since this is a fe/be machine, that cuts out a bunch of the potential causes |
| [15:15:00] | jemarcks: | lol.... in my dreams... my mythbox is running on a p4 2.8 ghz prescott core |
| [15:16:00] | mrproper_: | lol mine is running on a sempron 2200 running hi def digital |
| [15:16:00] | ** iggy huggles his winchester core Athlon64 3000+ ** | |
| [15:17:00] | Ashlar: | my backend is a p4 2.8ghz, and my frontends are either xboxes, epias, or that amd |
| [15:17:00] | mrproper_: | do you guys think that a sempron 2200 is ok for doing high def? |
| [15:17:00] | scuzzy: | try it? |
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| [15:17:00] | iggy: | not from what I've heard, but it might work |
| [15:17:00] | jemarcks: | Im not a HD guy so im not the one to ask... it might work for some formats |
| [15:17:00] | mrproper_: | what about standard def digital |
| [15:18:00] | mrproper_: | from the looks of things the cpu looks fine high def chan runs at 40–60% cpu |
| [15:18:00] | mrproper_: | but some of the hd channels still run jerky, no artifacts/glitchs just really slow fps |
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| [15:20:00] | robin_l: | Hello All |
| [15:20:00] | mrproper_: | hello |
| [15:20:00] | scuzzy: | Ashlar: apparently priority threads are enabled |
| [15:21:00] | scuzzy: | and extra audio buffers |
| [15:21:00] | robin_l: | Does anybody know how I can get a slave backend doing the commflagging? |
| [15:22:00] | scuzzy: | oh man, or are they |
| [15:22:00] | scuzzy: | I can't tell if a button is depressed or not |
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| [15:23:00] | rjune: | what SNES and NES emulators do you guys use? I'm using tuxnes and snes9x and neither one will operate full screen |
| [15:24:00] | Ashlar: | zsnes |
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| [15:29:00] | mrproper_: | does anyone know how to remove 'transports' from the list under channel editor |
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| [15:34:00] | _johnp: | mrproper_, goto the advanced button, highlight the appropriate transport, hit m for menu and choose delete |
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| [15:45:00] | drSoft: | Has anyone had any luck getting an ASUS TV-FM 7133 working, I lots of VIDIOCSYNC: Input/output errors and a black screen |
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| [16:21:00] | tic: | Is there -anyone- who's got a MythTV setup with a settop box that boots off NFS, no local storage and a capture card? |
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| [16:26:00] | iggy: | tic: I had all that minus the capture card |
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| [16:27:00] | tic: | iggy, won't do me any good, thanks though. |
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| [16:27:00] | tic: | iggy, seems like it's impossible to find something that satisfies i) netboot, ii) disklessness, iii) capture card, iv) ati rf support. :( |
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| [16:28:00] | iggy: | why don't you just ask your question instead of assuming no one can help because they aren't running the _exact_ same thing you are |
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| [16:29:00] | ** SarahEmm has netbooting boxes, diskless boxes, and boxes with capture cards ** | |
| [16:29:00] | SarahEmm: | not all in the same box, but that shouldn't matter |
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| [16:32:00] | tic: | iggy, because I've looked around the 'net for quite some time looking for a distro that has support for the EPIA M (graphics, ethernet), PVR150, ATI Remote Wonder (rf remote), boots off and has root-over-NFS, *without* having to stick the capture card in the "backend" or other stupid shit. |
| [16:32:00] | tic: | But sure, I'd love to being proved wrong. Just doubt it. |
| [16:32:00] | iggy: | I built my own using portage |
| [16:33:00] | iggy: | your problem is something like that is almost impossible to make "just work" |
| [16:33:00] | Chutt: | stuff like that's not terribly hard to do |
| [16:33:00] | Chutt: | especially if you used minimyth as a base. |
| [16:33:00] | iggy: | so it's unlikely anyone would bother making an entire distro that required a bunch of manual steps just to get it working |
| [16:33:00] | SarahEmm: | you're going to have to do something, yeah. |
| [16:34:00] | SarahEmm: | wow, that made no sense. |
| [16:34:00] | iggy: | of course some may say Gentoo's _only_ install process requires too much manual intervention, but we'll leave that discussion for another day |
| [16:34:00] | SarahEmm: | tic: you're going to have to do a lot of it yourself, i doubt you'll find any prebuilt distro to do all that automagically |
| [16:34:00] | tic: | iggy, it's totally easy to build a distro like that. I've PXE booted another distro on that media box. |
| [16:35:00] | SarahEmm: | tic: so what's the issue? |
| [16:35:00] | iggy: | see the rest of what I had to say |
| [16:35:00] | Chutt: | running a diskless backend isn't the smartest thing to do, though |
| [16:35:00] | tic: | Chutt, not a backend.. |
| [16:35:00] | SarahEmm: | err |
| [16:35:00] | SarahEmm: | it's got a capture card |
| [16:35:00] | SarahEmm: | it has to be a backend.... |
| [16:35:00] | iggy: | if it's got a capture card, that's a backend |
| [16:35:00] | tic: | A backend requires a mysql install |
| [16:35:00] | SarahEmm: | well, not on the same box |
| [16:35:00] | SarahEmm: | but somewhere, yes |
| [16:35:00] | Chutt: | if it's a capture card, it's a backend. |
| [16:36:00] | SarahEmm: | you'll also be streaming all the recorded video over the network, which may not be the best way to go |
| [16:36:00] | tic: | SarahEmm, sure it is. no chance I'll saturate a 100 Mbit network. |
| [16:36:00] | Chutt: | streaming it twice, in the case of watching something that's recording |
| [16:36:00] | iggy: | indeed |
| [16:36:00] | iggy: | that's why I gave up on that idea |
| [16:36:00] | tic: | okay, MythTV apparently isn't for m. |
| [16:36:00] | tic: | me. |
| [16:36:00] | SarahEmm: | tic: why do you say that? |
| [16:37:00] | iggy: | because he wants to be a jackass |
| [16:37:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [16:37:00] | Chutt: | because he doesn't want a pvr :p |
| [16:37:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [16:37:00] | SarahEmm: | sounds like it... |
| [16:37:00] | tic: | SarahEmm, because it should be extremely easy to do what I want to accomplish, yet MythTV keeps me from doing that. |
| [16:37:00] | SarahEmm: | err... |
| [16:37:00] | Chutt: | how does it keep you from doing that? |
| [16:37:00] | SarahEmm: | how does it keep you from doing that? |
| [16:37:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah, what chutt said ;) |
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| [16:38:00] | iggy: | it's no mythtv stopping you, it's you, your network, and any number of other things |
| [16:38:00] | Chutt: | minimyth does almost everything you'd want, aside from the backend stuff. running that + updating the version of lirc for your remote wouldn't take terribly much effort |
| [16:38:00] | tic: | Config: Computer A = EPIA M, PVR150, no disk. Computer B = NFS server. I want Computer A to boot off B, keeping root on NFS, and after that A should capture stuff and record it on B. |
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| [16:38:00] | tic: | I just think the whole "requires MySQL" is a nasty design flaw. |
| [16:38:00] | SarahEmm: | tic: you *can* do that just fine. it's just recommended not to, because for livetv then you're streaming over the network to disk, then *back* to the settop |
| [16:38:00] | tic: | (or rather, requires sql) |
| [16:39:00] | SarahEmm: | where else are you going to store your data? |
| [16:39:00] | SarahEmm: | it could include an integrated SQL engine, but that's a worse way to go imho |
| [16:39:00] | tic: | Uhh, store my data? |
| [16:39:00] | tic: | /data/music, per chance |
| [16:39:00] | SarahEmm: | metadata about recordings, schedules, tv listings, etc. |
| [16:39:00] | ** _johnp sighs ** | |
| [16:39:00] | tic: | okay, it is not for me. |
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| [16:39:00] | SarahEmm: | alrightie then |
| [16:39:00] | SarahEmm: | that was odd |
| [16:40:00] | iggy: | dumbass |
| [16:40:00] | iggy: | JUST PUT THE F'ING CAPTURE CARD IN THE NFS SERVER!!!!! |
| [16:40:00] | iggy: | it's not that hard |
| [16:40:00] | SarahEmm: | iggy: still need mysql. |
| [16:40:00] | SarahEmm: | but that's a good thing, imho :P |
| [16:41:00] | iggy: | yeah, he just wants to install a package and start something and everything automatically work |
| [16:41:00] | iggy: | there's something for people like that |
| [16:41:00] | iggy: | TIVO |
| [16:41:00] | iggy: | fucktard |
| [16:41:00] | Cromz: | well after all his nick is after the super crime fighting hero that yells spoon.. :> |
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| [16:53:00] | Ashlar: | stupid people shouldn't breathe |
| [16:53:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
| [16:53:00] | ** SarahEmm meows ** | |
| [16:54:00] | Cromz: | ok ya'll :> Kallie[DTK] is my wife. she lubs myth :) |
| [16:55:00] | SarahEmm: | cromz = crom? |
| [16:55:00] | Ashlar: | hey Kallie |
| [16:55:00] | Cromz: | nope;. always been cromz |
| [16:55:00] | SarahEmm: | 'kay/. |
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| [16:55:00] | SarahEmm: | hihi Kallie[DTK]. :) |
| [16:55:00] | Cromz: | shorten from Cromwell |
| [16:55:00] | SarahEmm: | woo! hehe :) |
| [16:55:00] | SarahEmm: | cromwell bios == good |
| [16:56:00] | Ashlar: | lol.. sarah, you loaded it on your xbox? |
| [16:56:00] | SarahEmm: | myth? |
| [16:56:00] | SarahEmm: | it's a frontend for me |
| [16:56:00] | SarahEmm: | works well |
| [16:56:00] | Cromz: | back in the days of modems and bbs's I use to do ansi art.. in okc. had over 50 bbs's using my ansi as thier main login screens ahhaah |
| [16:56:00] | Ashlar: | yah.. I soft-modded mine to run myth |
| [16:56:00] | ** SarahEmm flashed the bios, but no modchip ** | |
| [16:57:00] | SarahEmm: | runs linux, mythfrontend, with the xbox dvd remote for control |
| [16:57:00] | SarahEmm: | works well :) |
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| [16:57:00] | SarahEmm: | pondering throwing another 64MB of RAM in it to make it faster tho |
| [16:57:00] | Ashlar: | wasn't aware you could flash the bios without a modchip |
| [16:58:00] | SarahEmm: | you can, in pre-1.6 xboxes |
| [16:58:00] | SarahEmm: | you bridge a few solder jumpers on the bottom of the motherboard, then you can flash it |
| [16:58:00] | Ashlar: | ahhh, nice.. I wouldn't mind getting rid of the xbox dashboard, etc etc |
| [16:59:00] | SarahEmm: | *nods* |
| [16:59:00] | SarahEmm: | this just boots into linux when i turn it on :) |
| [16:59:00] | SarahEmm: | other than the swapping, there's no real issues at all with it |
| [16:59:00] | SarahEmm: | s'nice. |
| [16:59:00] | Ashlar: | coolness |
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| [17:00:00] | Varanger: | hi! |
| [17:01:00] | Ashlar: | hey Varanger |
| [17:02:00] | Varanger: | hi Ashlar... |
| [17:02:00] | Varanger: | I am planning to buy a USB TV tuner... I am 100% sure it will be compatible with Windows |
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| [17:03:00] | Varanger: | But I need a Linux-compatible USB TV Tuner... which one do you advise me? |
| [17:03:00] | Ashlar: | well, there are a couple newly supported ones.. 1 sec |
| [17:03:00] | Varanger: | oki |
| [17:04:00] | Chutt: | plextor's work |
| [17:04:00] | Ashlar: | yah, was going to snag the name.. can never remember it |
| [17:04:00] | Varanger: | I've read that in the Documentation pages |
| [17:04:00] | amax_ is now known as amax | |
| [17:05:00] | Varanger: | but I'd like to have more information about other tuners |
| [17:05:00] | Ashlar: | plextor, convertx ... |
| [17:05:00] | Ashlar: | that's all setup mentions.. search the ML for plextor, you'll find the name |
| [17:06:00] | Varanger: | just USB Plextor then? |
| [17:07:00] | Ashlar: | PX-TV402U-NA |
| [17:08:00] | Varanger: | that's Plextor's |
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| [17:09:00] | Ashlar: | yah.. not sure if any others are supported |
| [17:09:00] | Varanger: | Ashlar: about PCI cards ? |
| [17:10:00] | Ashlar: | pci? a bunch of cards are supported |
| [17:10:00] | Ashlar: | check the mythtv.org docs |
| [17:13:00] | drSoft: | has anyone been able to get an ASUS TV FM 7133 working in Myth, I get lots of VIDIOCSYNC: Input/Output errors and a black screen |
| [17:14:00] | SarahEmm: | i have a TV FM 7135 working, but that's a slightly different chip evidently |
| [17:15:00] | drSoft: | this works fine in xawtv but myth just hangs |
| [17:15:00] | drSoft: | and mplayer /dev/video0 seg faults |
| [17:16:00] | Ashlar: | holy cow, component in video capture cards are beaucoup $$$ |
| [17:16:00] | GeckoFiend: | Ashlar did you find one that can do HD? I never managed to find one. |
| [17:17:00] | Ashlar: | here, this one seems interesting |
| [17:17:00] | Ashlar: | http://www.videoguys.com/pyroAVlink.html |
| [17:17:00] | Ashlar: | wait, one of those seems to be only $159? can't be right |
| [17:18:00] | Ashlar: | ahh, analog |
| [17:19:00] | Beirdo: | SarahEmm: argh! puzzlepirates is too much fun. don't know that I'll subscribe though |
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| [17:20:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [17:20:00] | ** SarahEmm plays on Viridian, non-subscription ocean ** | |
| [17:20:00] | SarahEmm: | yes, 'tis fun :) |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | I'm on midnight |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | when it runs out, I'll likely restart on viridian |
| [17:20:00] | SarahEmm: | *nods* |
| [17:21:00] | SarahEmm: | you can create up to 3 pirates, on different oceans too |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | and maybe throw them a few bucks for some upgrades, etc |
| [17:21:00] | SarahEmm: | *nods* |
| [17:21:00] | SarahEmm: | s'what i did |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | but not really willing to pay $7/month |
| [17:21:00] | SarahEmm: | *nods |
| [17:21:00] | ** SarahEmm either ** | |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | right now running a sword-fighting tourney |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | got my ass handed to me, but it was fun |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | 15 people in it.. |
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| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | member of a pirate crew too :) |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:22:00] | ShockValue: | morning! :) |
| [17:22:00] | ** SarahEmm too ** | |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | afternoon, ShockValue |
| [17:23:00] | ShockValue: | im getting this mythtv thing working 1 problem at a time :) |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | SarahEmm: I'll let ya know if I start off on the other ocean :) |
| [17:23:00] | ShockValue: | you guys talkin about puzzle pirates? :) |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:23:00] | ShockValue: | i tried that for the first time yesterday.. was fun |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:23:00] | SarahEmm: | Beirdo: okay :) |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | the guy who kicked my ass just got his ass kicked |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | round 4 time |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | I was eliminated in round 2 |
| [17:25:00] | ShockValue: | so here's my mythtv question... when i play a dvd via mplayer through myth, my whole system loses focus on the mplayer window.. it seems like the only way to get back to "normal operation" is to kill mythfrontend and start over |
| [17:25:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: ? what game? |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | ShockValue: that's a windowmanager issue |
| [17:25:00] | rjune: | ShockValue: what wm are you using? |
| [17:25:00] | ShockValue: | evilwm |
| [17:25:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: puzzlepirates |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | rjune: puzzlepirates.com |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | I use ratpoison, personally |
| [17:26:00] | rjune: | ShockValue: I've never heard of it, the name should clue you in though |
| [17:26:00] | rjune: | ShockValue: I use kwin, and I've heard of good experiances with icewm |
| [17:26:00] | ShockValue: | its suggested as a good wm for mythtv in a number of places on the web |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | either way, your issue is a wm setup thing, having to do with window focus following mouse and stuff |
| [17:27:00] | ** rjune shrugs apparently there is some goofiness or you wouldn't be here ** | |
| [17:27:00] | rjune: | anybody know how to make tuxnes run full screen? |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | I don't know specifics for that wm, sorry |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | rjune: no clue, ask the authors :) |
| [17:27:00] | ShockValue: | wonder if there's an evilwm channel :) |
| [17:27:00] | SarahEmm: | ?CLear |
| [17:28:00] | SarahEmm: | oops |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | ShockValue: could be. I'm sure you will find other evilwm users around |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [17:28:00] | ShockValue: | http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=Change+to+evilwm |
| [17:28:00] | ShockValue: | for example ^ |
| [17:29:00] | CyberKnet: | SarahEmm: How goes the -500? |
| [17:29:00] | SarahEmm: | CyberKnet: video working fine, VBI support still needs to be coded |
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| [17:29:00] | CyberKnet: | SarahEmm: Go You =) |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | have fun with that, SarahEmm :) we're all pulling for you :) |
| [17:29:00] | SarahEmm: | today is an asterisk coding day tho, so no mythtv coding likely. we'll see later. |
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| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | I'd love to have working CC again on my -250s |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | good for the times when I'm on the phone |
| [17:30:00] | CyberKnet: | Seen JonK recently? |
| [17:30:00] | SarahEmm: | Beirdo: ivtv fully supports VBI at this point on the -250 and -350, it's just a myth thing at this point, and slowly gettnig there |
| [17:30:00] | SarahEmm: | the -150 and -500 don't have full ivtv support for it yet, so i have to work on that first |
| [17:30:00] | SarahEmm: | once that's done, then i can look at the myth end |
| [17:31:00] | SarahEmm: | for now i'll live with my bttv in the live box :) |
| [17:31:00] | GeckoFiend: | SarahEmm it will not get into myth until it's in a stable, released ivtv driver |
| [17:31:00] | GeckoFiend: | and since they can't seem to manage an honest to god release it'll be a while |
| [17:31:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh.. i'm running 0.3.6g |
| [17:32:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah |
| [17:32:00] | SarahEmm: | well, i can live with patching my myth |
| [17:32:00] | SarahEmm: | i'd really like 2 tuners, and the only way i'm going to get that is with the -500 |
| [17:32:00] | SarahEmm: | so i'll do whatever patching and coding is required to get there :) |
| [17:32:00] | GeckoFiend: | I'm pretty sure there's patches for Myth and VBI from ivtv if you search the ML archives |
| [17:32:00] | SarahEmm: | there is, but only for the -250 and -350 |
| [17:32:00] | SarahEmm: | they changed the chipset in the -150 and -500 and ivtv doesn't support VBI-in-mpeg-stream for them yet |
| [17:37:00] | rjune: | who does mythgame? |
| [17:39:00] | abarbaccia: | anybody here run an asus pundit system and realize that its still pretty noisy when you are watching movies and such |
| [17:39:00] | SarahEmm: | fan-wise? |
| [17:41:00] | abarbaccia: | SarahEmm, yea – they drop to low speed mode for the CPU fan, but the PSU fan is always on full and its noisy and whiney |
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| [17:42:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh okay |
| [17:42:00] | ** SarahEmm running an xbox for a frontend, all the others are normal PCs, no pundits.. ** | |
| [17:42:00] | _joey: | can I do authoring using mythtv ? |
| [17:43:00] | abarbaccia: | yea, i could do that – but i didnt want to lose my beloved xbox for a tv thing |
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| [17:43:00] | abarbaccia: | _joey, there are some gui's that help you through it – check out nuv2disc |
| [17:43:00] | SarahEmm: | _joey: authoring? what? |
| [17:43:00] | SarahEmm: | oh, dvd authoring? |
| [17:43:00] | SarahEmm: | abarbaccia: i pretty much just got the xbox for this use. |
| [17:43:00] | _joey: | what else in context of watching digital video ? |
| [17:43:00] | _joey: | silly billy |
| [17:43:00] | _joey: | :) |
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| [17:46:00] | XAD|onoff: | Sarah, are you running NTCS on your 500?? |
| [17:46:00] | mozib: | Hi there. I am having a problem with Daylight Savings time with MythWeb, the times are all off by an hour. I realize that this was a problem before, but the times seem correct for the On screen guide within myth. I'm using 18.1. Any ideas? |
| [17:46:00] | SarahEmm: | NTCS? what's that? |
| [17:46:00] | XAD|onoff: | NTSC... |
| [17:46:00] | SarahEmm: | oh |
| [17:46:00] | SarahEmm: | yep |
| [17:46:00] | SarahEmm: | <-- canadian |
| [17:46:00] | SarahEmm: | feeding it cable tv |
| [17:46:00] | SarahEmm: | works great, video-wise |
| [17:48:00] | abarbaccia: | mozib, check the time in the bios, in the OS (should be the same) and in mythtvsetup somewhere |
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| [17:49:00] | mozib: | abarbaccia, I did that...everrything looks legit. I even tried the none, auto, and proper offset for the times in the mythsetup |
| [17:49:00] | XAD|onoff: | ahh... ok... running PAL ... but had to add recording filter manually at startup... do you know if there is a setting in MythTV?? I noticed that my filter settings are never changed when playtin with MythTV so I started to assume it doesn't exist,... |
| [17:49:00] | XAD|onoff: | mozib, whats your date settings in linux?? |
| [17:50:00] | mozib: | XAD|onoff, sorry...what do you mean? |
| [17:52:00] | XAD|onoff: | enter "date" in your server console... is it giving you the right time?? |
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| [17:53:00] | mozib: | oh, sorry...yup, its giving the right time...# date Sun Jun 12 12:50:55 EDT 2005 |
| [17:53:00] | XAD|onoff: | and "date -u"?? |
| [17:53:00] | mozib: | Sun Jun 12 16:52:59 UTC 2005 |
| [17:55:00] | XAD|onoff: | so it's -4 from UTC but that's not correct with daylight, right... you should be -5?? |
| [17:55:00] | mozib: | i belive it is -5 in the winter, and -4 in the summer |
| [17:55:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah |
| [17:56:00] | SarahEmm: | 'tis |
| [17:56:00] | SarahEmm: | spring forward, fall back :) |
| [17:57:00] | XAD|onoff: | uhh... well EDT should be UTC -4, without daylight so then you should be -3 off or?? |
| [17:58:00] | SarahEmm: | no.... |
| [17:58:00] | SarahEmm: | EDT=-4 EST=-5 |
| [17:58:00] | SarahEmm: | spring forward which means closer to UTC |
| [17:58:00] | SarahEmm: | so -4 |
| [17:58:00] | mozib: | EDT is with daylight time, EST is the time in the winter (i think) I hate time daylight time, I should move to saskatchewan :) |
| [17:59:00] | mozib: | it only seems to be a problem in mythweb |
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| [17:59:00] | mozib: | as the guide in mythtv itself is fine... |
| [17:59:00] | XAD|onoff: | but is it 12.50 local time IRL at your place?? |
| [17:59:00] | mozib: | yup |
| [17:59:00] | XAD|onoff: | ok.. |
| [18:05:00] | ShockValue: | ok, i give up on this whole evilwm thing.. i thought i was being smart, but appearantly im not :) |
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| [18:05:00] | ShockValue: | anyone have suggestions on a good lightweight wm for mythtv (with lots of user support :D ) |
| [18:07:00] | rjune: | ShockValue: kwin |
| [18:07:00] | rjune: | ShockValue: ratpoison as per beirdo |
| [18:08:00] | ShockValue: | well i guess ill throw in ratpoison and see how that does |
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| [18:13:00] | XAD|onoff: | mozib, have you checked the logs... is the timestamp correct?? |
| [18:14:00] | Esotericisms: | where are the docs that describe what the dotted borders and the priority letters stand for? |
| [18:15:00] | ShockValue: | hey Beirdo, could i bug you for your .xinitrc file? do you just startx and run mythfrontend? |
| [18:15:00] | mozib: | XAD|onoff, yes the timestamps from the mythbackend logs are correct |
| [18:16:00] | XAD|onoff: | as in it's the correct time it recorded or it is the correct time the program started?? |
| [18:16:00] | rjune: | ShockValue: http://www.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/Xclients.txt |
| [18:16:00] | rjune: | ShockValue: I just have rc.local run startx and away it goes |
| [18:17:00] | rjune: | 'course, I also have the machine shutdown when mythtv exits |
| [18:17:00] | ShockValue: | thats for kwin, is ratpoison the same? |
| [18:18:00] | ShockValue: | sorry, im obviously new at linux.. im still at the "blindly follow the howto" stage :) |
| [18:19:00] | mozib: | XAD|onoff, Ill have to check with recording...I'll get back to you when the half hour hits.... |
| [18:19:00] | XAD|onoff: | have you checked the "TimeOffset" in the settings?? |
| [18:20:00] | rjune: | ShockValue: it would be very similer |
| [18:20:00] | mozib: | yes, I tried them as well...I think what I am going to do is redo the database |
| [18:21:00] | mozib: | i have done a lot of changing values to try and figure this out, so I think I should start from the beginning again |
| [18:21:00] | mozib: | I'll let you know if that helps any |
| [18:21:00] | XAD|onoff: | gl... |
| [18:22:00] | mozib: | thanks...and thanks for your help |
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| [18:22:00] | rjune: | ShockValue: I can't tell you definitively how to setup ratpoison. I don't use it. I can tell you how to setup KDE as that's what I use |
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| [18:25:00] | mattB: | hi there |
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| [18:26:00] | mattB: | having a strange problem on a debian box |
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| [18:26:00] | FoXBoX: | does anyone know what: IOBOUND – blocking in ThreadedFileWriter::Write() means ? my mythtv pc hangs up :( |
| [18:27:00] | mattB: | I can start mythbackend as mythtv user from the commandline but not using the init.d script |
| [18:27:00] | SarahEmm: | FoXBoX: what are the specs on the box? |
| [18:27:00] | SarahEmm: | hardware-wise? |
| [18:27:00] | kernoman: | darn it my box was working fine earlier but now liveTV stutters on my pvr 250 card, livetv is fine on my pvr 350 card though... any ideas? |
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| [18:27:00] | FoXBoX: | Debian, kernel 2.6.12-rc6 , via mainboard (just compiled in the via ide driver) |
| [18:27:00] | SarahEmm: | ugh, via |
| [18:27:00] | SarahEmm: | how fast is the box? what kinda hard drive? is DMA on on the hard drive? |
| [18:28:00] | SarahEmm: | kernoman: DMA on on the hard drive? |
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| [18:36:00] | FoXBoX: | any ideas ? @SaraEmm ? |
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| [18:38:00] | kernoman: | yep dma is enabled, funny thing is the pvr350 which buffers to the same drive is working fine |
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| [18:39:00] | SarahEmm: | foxbox: how fast is the box? what kinda hard drive? is DMA on on the hard drive? |
| [18:39:00] | SarahEmm: | kernoman: hrm. i dunno then =-/ i just picked up my first PVR card two days ago (-500) and it seems to work fine here video-wise.. |
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| [18:40:00] | FoXBoX: | dma is on, it's a new seagate barracuda ... cpu=2200xp |
| [18:40:00] | kernoman: | ok any others here know why my live tv is stuttering, almost like its running at twice the speed and then pauses for a second |
| [18:42:00] | FoXBoX: | @kernoman: check your hdd speed with hdparm -t /dev/hdax |
| [18:43:00] | kernoman: | testing now... |
| [18:43:00] | kernoman: | Timing buffered disk reads: 164 MB in 3.03 seconds = 54.12 MB/sec |
| [18:43:00] | kernoman: | think thats ok :) |
| [18:43:00] | FoXBoX: | SarahEmm: just found in log/messages something like: kernel: Call Trace:...and some values of registers |
| [18:43:00] | GeckoFiend: | guys. his 350 works fine it's not his disk |
| [18:44:00] | FoXBoX: | @kernoman: have you checkd the disk on which you have your cache? |
| [18:44:00] | FoXBoX: | ok @Gecko ;) |
| [18:44:00] | kernoman: | yep and i can see the cache file increase when im in live tv – has 32gb of space free |
| [18:44:00] | SarahEmm: | FoXBoX: err, that's a kernel oops |
| [18:44:00] | SarahEmm: | paste it into pastebin.ca pls? |
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| [18:45:00] | FoXBoX: | paste what ? @SarahEmm ? |
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| [18:46:00] | SarahEmm: | the kernel oops from your log |
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| [18:47:00] | FoXBoX: | SarahEmm: http://pastebin.ca/14127 |
| [18:47:00] | kernoman: | any ideas? faulty card? |
| [18:47:00] | SarahEmm: | hrm. |
| [18:48:00] | SarahEmm: | not sure FoXBoX :( |
| [18:48:00] | SarahEmm: | it's some kernel issue |
| [18:48:00] | SarahEmm: | via mobos are known for issues with mythtv due to buggy DMA |
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| [18:49:00] | FoXBoX: | mmh...before compiling my own kernel i used knoppmyth with worked fine :-/ |
| [18:50:00] | FoXBoX: | any idea what to test/compile in kernel ? |
| [18:51:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: I thought the via m10k was a reccommended mobo |
| [18:53:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: i dunno, i just know quite a few people have issues with via chipsets |
| [18:53:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm running SIS on the backend, via on one frontend, intel on others, and the xbox which i can't remember what it is |
| [18:53:00] | GeckoFiend: | SarahEmm there's a differnece bewteen mobos using via chipsets and via epia mobos... |
| [18:54:00] | SarahEmm: | *nodS* okay |
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| [18:55:00] | GeckoFiend: | lots and lots and lots of folks use the epia systems. |
| [18:56:00] | Ashlar: | damn, even the local channels are encrypted on HD.. bastas |
| [18:58:00] | Cromz: | GeckoFiend, thats good news to me. I've been looking at the epia systems for a frontend in my living room. but wasn't sure till you said that lol :) |
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| [18:59:00] | Ashlar: | Cromz: consider knoppmyth.. makes epia a piece of cake (m10k, at least) |
| [18:59:00] | GeckoFiend: | Cromz the CPUs are slower than all get out so you can't do things like goom, but they make nice small frontends |
| [18:59:00] | Cromz: | that's kool tho |
| [19:00:00] | Cromz: | put the epia inside a remote car body.. lol like the htpc ;) |
| [19:01:00] | Kallie[DTK]: | We still ain't made a mini.. and you wanna try and mini the mythbox? LOL coffee-can in the livingroom.. that wouldn't bring up too may questions.. ahha |
| [19:01:00] | Cromz: | Ashlar, I just got done download the 16 of that ;) need to burn it to cd and check it out |
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| [19:03:00] | Ashlar: | Cromz: only caveat.. once installed, don't freak out at the colors messed up.. edit XF86Config-4 and put a # in front of option "DPMS" "true" |
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| [19:19:00] | CyberKnet: | JonK: so what's the news? |
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| [19:22:00] | [Xander]: | i just upped to the latest chris kennedy ivtv (0.3.6g) and am wondering if my pvr350 should be able to do closed captions or not? The information on closed caption is so spread out... :( |
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| [19:23:00] | GeckoFiend: | [Xander] the ivtv CC stuff isn't supported in myth |
| [19:23:00] | SarahEmm: | well... |
| [19:23:00] | SarahEmm: | there's an experimental patch |
| [19:23:00] | SarahEmm: | it only works in europe tho, not NTSC CC :( |
| [19:23:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm working on code to make CC work, but it'll be awhile |
| [19:24:00] | [Xander]: | wonderful... thanks! |
| [19:24:00] | SarahEmm: | heh, you're the first person i've seen other than me coming in asking about that xander |
| [19:24:00] | ** [Xander] has not so great hearing ** | |
| [19:24:00] | SarahEmm: | here too. |
| [19:24:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm using a plain tuner card with software encoding right now |
| [19:24:00] | SarahEmm: | captions work great with that setup |
| [19:24:00] | SarahEmm: | but the PVR-xxx cards aren't working well yet |
| [19:24:00] | [Xander]: | any background noise in the house and i can forget watching a show |
| [19:24:00] | SarahEmm: | *nods* i know the feeling |
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| [19:25:00] | [Xander]: | my wife STILL tries to talk to me when she's running water in the kitchen... will she never learn? |
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| [19:27:00] | rjune: | [Xander]: nope |
| [19:27:00] | [Xander]: | SarahEmm: If i could even get the mythbox to pass cc to the television and let it do cc that would be great |
| [19:27:00] | SarahEmm: | can't... |
| [19:28:00] | SarahEmm: | that's even less likely than doing it the other way heh |
| [19:28:00] | rjune: | [Xander]: I would imagine that's a tuner issue |
| [19:28:00] | SarahEmm: | xander: you could, in theory, set the PVR-350 (if you have that) to pass CC through from input to output |
| [19:29:00] | SarahEmm: | but that won't help with myth because the captions will be significantly de-synched |
| [19:29:00] | SarahEmm: | they'd be way ahead of the video |
| [19:29:00] | rjune: | it'll help some |
| [19:29:00] | rjune: | and why would they be ahead? |
| [19:29:00] | SarahEmm: | because they'd get passed through realtime, and myth would introduce a delay in the video |
| [19:30:00] | rjune: | I don't understand why though, the PVR-350 won't record the CC ? |
| [19:30:00] | SarahEmm: | ivtv takes the CC and embeds it into the MPEG-2 stream in a seperate kind of frame |
| [19:31:00] | SarahEmm: | myth does not yet process that frame type |
| [19:31:00] | rjune: | ahhhh |
| [19:31:00] | rjune: | gotcha |
| [19:31:00] | [Xander]: | rjune: my question too... just record the cc data in ttthe stream, then play it back to the tv |
| [19:31:00] | SarahEmm: | also, ivtv only does this for PVR-250 and PVR-350 cards, not -150 or -500 |
| [19:31:00] | SarahEmm: | [Xander]: it doesn't record the CC as video tho, it records it in a seperate frame type, the actual binary VBI data |
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| [19:31:00] | rjune: | so it doesn't overlay the CC into the frame, it's a separate frame in the strime |
| [19:31:00] | rjune: | stream |
| [19:31:00] | SarahEmm: | right. |
| [19:31:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: who does mythgame? |
| [19:32:00] | SarahEmm: | so myth has to read that frame type and turn that into overlayed text |
| [19:32:00] | SarahEmm: | which it doesn't do yet |
| [19:32:00] | SarahEmm: | also for the -150 and -500 embedding VBI into the MPEG stream doesn't happen yet, so that has to be added |
| [19:32:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: no idea |
| [19:32:00] | rjune: | bummer. |
| [19:33:00] | Ashlar: | rjune: check who's been checking in stuff in cvs.. might be a start |
| [19:33:00] | ** [Xander] isn't smart on this stuff, but seems like if my old vcr records cc data as part of the video, that myth could just do it that way... the vcr doesn't understand cc, but records it like video... ** | |
| [19:33:00] | rjune: | [Xander]: it's a tuner issue |
| [19:33:00] | [Xander]: | ahh |
| [19:33:00] | rjune: | that's the way tuners work |
| [19:34:00] | rjune: | if you fed the video from your tv into myth, you could record that just fine, becuase it's getting it as a single feed then |
| [19:34:00] | [Xander]: | not very articulate today... what i was trying to say was that even if i record a tv show with captions turned off, the captions are still recorded on the vcr tape in the video streams right? cause I can play the video back later with the cc on. |
| [19:35:00] | SarahEmm: | right |
| [19:35:00] | SarahEmm: | but that's not how the PVR-xxx cards work |
| [19:35:00] | [Xander]: | ahh i see now... thanks! |
| [19:35:00] | SarahEmm: | they don't record the part of the video that has CC in it (the VBI part) |
| [19:35:00] | [Xander]: | the tuner isn't passing the cc data to myth to record aye? |
| [19:36:00] | rjune: | that's what she's saying |
| [19:36:00] | rjune: | and even if you did pass the cc data, myth would ignore it |
| [19:36:00] | [Xander]: | crap |
| [19:36:00] | SarahEmm: | the driver for the PVR-xxx card passes the data to myth, but myth ignores it right now |
| [19:36:00] | SarahEmm: | that's for -250s and -350s, for -150s and -500s it doens't even pass it |
| [19:36:00] | [Xander]: | didn't there used to be a option in myth for selecting the vbi device? i can't even find that anymore |
| [19:37:00] | [Xander]: | like /dev/vbi /dev/vbi0 etc... |
| [19:37:00] | SarahEmm: | only for V4L cards |
| [19:37:00] | SarahEmm: | not PVR-xxx cards |
| [19:37:00] | [Xander]: | ahh |
| [19:37:00] | Cardoe: | SarahEmm: you realize that recording CC will bloat the mpeg2 stream big time. |
| [19:37:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm using a plain tuner card with V4L, so i get captions :) |
| [19:37:00] | SarahEmm: | Cardoe: and enable me to watch TV. |
| [19:37:00] | SarahEmm: | Cardoe: good tradeoff for me. |
| [19:37:00] | SarahEmm: | it should be an option, yes. :) |
| [19:38:00] | Cardoe: | if the pvr card does it natively |
| [19:38:00] | [Xander]: | i own a 350, and 2 150's... (the 150's arent in use yet, because i've heard it's tricky to get them working in a box with a 350 |
| [19:38:00] | Cardoe: | then it should be available. |
| [19:38:00] | rjune: | Cardoe: it would? how so? |
| [19:38:00] | Cardoe: | rjune: then about an mpeg stream |
| [19:38:00] | Cardoe: | the lines |
| [19:38:00] | rjune: | Uhm, ok |
| [19:38:00] | SarahEmm: | [Xander]: okay, the -350 will likely have CC support before the -150s will |
| [19:38:00] | SarahEmm: | then about an mpeg stream, the lines? huh? |
| [19:38:00] | Cardoe: | CC is about 35 lines down |
| [19:38:00] | Cardoe: | So you have about 34 lines of just wasted space. |
| [19:39:00] | Cardoe: | Think about it as resolution. |
| [19:39:00] | Cardoe: | Easiest way to explain |
| [19:39:00] | rjune: | Cardoe: yeah you would, but they would compress really well |
| [19:39:00] | SarahEmm: | err, no cardoe |
| [19:39:00] | Cardoe: | there's additional data below the resolution of the screen |
| [19:39:00] | SarahEmm: | the VBI frames are just the binary information, not the actual video |
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| [19:39:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: aka the text, ya? |
| [19:39:00] | Cardoe: | SarahEmm: I'm trying to explain it simply. |
| [19:39:00] | SarahEmm: | the card/driver decode the 35 or however many VBI frames into binary and stick it in a frame. ti's not that big. |
| [19:39:00] | Cardoe: | SarahEmm: mpeg2 isn't a codec. |
| [19:39:00] | Cardoe: | it's a transport |
| [19:40:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: sorta. it's not plaintext, it has to be converted into plaintext. |
| [19:40:00] | Cardoe: | it muxes the data together. |
| [19:40:00] | SarahEmm: | Cardoe: err... i'm aware, but what does that have to do with this? |
| [19:40:00] | rjune: | bah, I'm glad you guys find this exciting. I'm lost |
| [19:40:00] | Cardoe: | whatever. |
| [19:40:00] | rjune: | I second that |
| [19:41:00] | SarahEmm: | okay :) |
| [19:41:00] | [Xander]: | not exciting, just want to be able to watch a show without turning the volume up to 'insaneeee' |
| [19:41:00] | rjune: | crap, that's right, somebody cared. :-) |
| [19:42:00] | SarahEmm: | [Xander]: s'why i'm still doing software encoding :) |
| [19:42:00] | [Xander]: | SarahEmm: I don't want to buy yet another card... :( |
| [19:42:00] | rjune: | I'm not cool enough for that kind of computing power though |
| [19:42:00] | rjune: | [Xander]: what do you have? |
| [19:42:00] | SarahEmm: | [Xander]: yeah, i know... these cards are Cheap tho. heh |
| [19:42:00] | [Xander]: | amd64 3400+ 1Gram |
| [19:43:00] | rjune: | I mean card |
| [19:43:00] | [Xander]: | pvr350 |
| [19:43:00] | rjune: | I have a BT878 based card |
| [19:43:00] | rjune: | software encoding |
| [19:43:00] | ** SarahEmm too ** | |
| [19:44:00] | JonK: | general question: what things can you do to improve video quality? |
| [19:44:00] | [Xander]: | better tv |
| [19:44:00] | rjune: | [Xander]: I would happily trade you, I can hear, but I don't have the horsepower to do software encoding |
| [19:44:00] | rjune: | JonK: use a computer monitor |
| [19:44:00] | JonK: | really? |
| [19:44:00] | rjune: | really what? |
| [19:44:00] | [Xander]: | or hdtv with dvi input... |
| [19:44:00] | JonK: | that only heps if you have hdtv signal though? |
| [19:44:00] | JonK: | doesn't it? |
| [19:44:00] | [Xander]: | nope |
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| [19:45:00] | rjune: | [Xander]: I paid 80 for mine, how about yours? |
| [19:45:00] | [Xander]: | my 350? i think it was like 150 bucks |
| [19:45:00] | JonK: | im thinking, if i can get myth running fully the way i want it to, that I'll go buy a plasma screen tv |
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| [19:45:00] | rjune: | JonK: video quality depends on a lot. |
| [19:45:00] | rjune: | input signal is one thing, if that's crap, so will output(GIGO principle) |
| [19:45:00] | Henkie: | suddenly live-tv doesnt work properly anymore :( the sound is way too fast |
| [19:46:00] | [Xander]: | gotta run... nice talkin to ya |
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| [19:46:00] | JonK: | i think i have that problem, but still was wondering what things people can do to improve quality |
| [19:46:00] | Henkie: | and after a couple of seconds, the audio is gone |
| [19:47:00] | rjune: | JonK: assuming you have good input, better tv / ocmputer monitor are ways |
| [19:47:00] | rjune: | I use a 14" Acer monitor in 800x600 for my frontend |
| [19:47:00] | JonK: | but I wouldn't want to use a 14" monitor in as my main tv... |
| [19:48:00] | rjune: | I dont' use it as my maintv |
| [19:48:00] | rjune: | just my main myth frontend(I need wifi to get network connect to my living room) |
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| [19:49:00] | JonK: | and i'm not sayaing I have poor quality either, just wanted to know what I could do, either configuartion |
| [19:49:00] | JonK: | or throwing money at it, to improve quality |
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| [19:51:00] | JonK: | I'd still settle just to get the first tuner of my pvr-500 to load :) |
| [19:52:00] | JonK: | I'm starting to wonder if it's hardware — I have a second pvr500 — i should pop it in and see if i get any different results |
| [19:52:00] | SarahEmm: | jonh: what's your issue? |
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| [19:52:00] | JonK: | first tuner refuses to load |
| [19:53:00] | SarahEmm: | define 'refuses'? |
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| [19:53:00] | JonK: | it stands in the corner, throws tantrum and cries NO NO NO |
| [19:53:00] | JonK: | while stamping feet |
| [19:53:00] | SarahEmm: | okay. |
| [19:53:00] | SarahEmm: | that's a problem :( |
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| [20:03:00] | Henkie: | how is the audio/video synced? |
| [20:07:00] | mozib: | XAD|onoff, Got the database reloaded, and tried setting recording via the program on both the myth box and via the mythweb. Mythtv has the right time and program, and records perfectly. In mythweb chosing the right program (but wrong time) it still records the right program. Must be something off in the mythweb php scripts somewhere |
| [20:07:00] | mozib: | XAD|onoff, but it works great if I just ignore the times under mythweb |
| [20:12:00] | XAD|onoff: | mozib, OK then it's not a "regular" MythTV issue but a mythweb... |
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| [20:13:00] | mozib: | XAD|onoff, yup...I'll do a bit more digging to see if I can come up with anything... |
| [20:16:00] | XAD|onoff: | can you grab a page and check if the time in the HTML-form is wrong?? |
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| [20:20:00] | mokomull: | If I were to buy a USB2.0 TV tuner to use with MythTV, what should I buy? |
| [20:28:00] | the-FoX: | maybe someone can help getting epg (eit) for dvb-t running ?! i compiled mythtv with enabled-eit, but nothing happens |
| [20:33:00] | the-FoX: | noone ? |
| [20:34:00] | ** SarahEmm uses plain analog cable, sowwy ** | |
| [20:35:00] | the-FoX: | mmh :( |
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| [20:46:00] | xris: | mokomull: only one I know of that *might* work is a plextor |
| [20:50:00] | mokomull: | xris: But those are quite expensive, right? |
| [20:51:00] | mokomull: | Guess I'm stuck with passing the USB device down to VMware and using WinXP under that... |
| [20:51:00] | xris: | mokomull: if you want pure usb, I think that's your only option. |
| [20:52:00] | JonK: | but it includes a mpeg4 transcoder, does it not? |
| [20:52:00] | xris: | spending a few extra $$ sounds like a better deal to me than the hassle of dealing with multiple OS's. |
| [20:52:00] | xris: | JonK: yeah, I think so. |
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| [20:52:00] | JonK: | mmmm..... mpeg4 transcoder.... |
| [20:52:00] | mokomull: | xris: Might I explain that I'm going to be a college student? |
| [20:53:00] | JonK: | but are not yet? |
| [20:53:00] | xris: | mokomull: in that case, why usb? |
| [20:53:00] | mokomull: | xris: Because I have a laptop. |
| [20:53:00] | xris: | ahh |
| [20:53:00] | mokomull: | $176 is half my darned bank account... |
| [20:53:00] | xris: | well, just saying that there's no guarantee that the vmware solution will work, etc. |
| [20:53:00] | Cardoe: | mokomull: you're a richer college student then me |
| [20:53:00] | JonK: | as long as it's less than all! woo hoo! |
| [20:54:00] | mokomull: | JonK: I'm actually going into college two years early. |
| [20:55:00] | mokomull: | Maybe I could get a decent PCI card and put it in my desktop... |
| [20:55:00] | JonK: | you'll spend close to that on pvr card |
| [20:55:00] | JonK: | 130–150 anyway |
| [20:55:00] | JonK: | so the only issue is the difference..? |
| [20:55:00] | mokomull: | What about the $50 cards? Are those not worth buying or something? |
| [20:56:00] | SarahEmm: | the ones that don't do hardware encoding, you mean? |
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| [20:56:00] | mokomull: | Yes |
| [20:56:00] | SarahEmm: | you can get cheap ones that don't do encoding, but then you have to use your CPU for the MPEG encoding |
| [20:56:00] | SarahEmm: | there's good and bad things about that |
| [20:56:00] | JonK: | how much horsepower in the machine with the pci slot |
| [20:56:00] | mokomull: | JonK: It's a 1GHz Duron. |
| [20:56:00] | SarahEmm: | the good things are that you have more encoding options and smaller filesizes, and closed captioning works, the negatives are CPU horsepower requirement |
| [20:57:00] | SarahEmm: | that'd be cutting it a little close for livetv with MPEG4, i think |
| [20:57:00] | JonK: | i'd be on the edge no doubt |
| [20:57:00] | JonK: | it'd |
| [20:57:00] | mokomull: | I was hoping that USB devices worked well in Linux... this is a 1.6GHz Centrino. |
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| [20:57:00] | SarahEmm: | centrino isn't a processor.. |
| [20:57:00] | SarahEmm: | p-m? p4m? |
| [20:57:00] | directhex: | centrino isn't a cpu |
| [20:58:00] | SarahEmm: | celeron? |
| [20:58:00] | directhex: | it'd be banias or dothan, p-m or centrino-m |
| [20:58:00] | JonK: | he has laptop cpu |
| [20:58:00] | SarahEmm: | right... |
| [20:58:00] | JonK: | ? |
| [20:58:00] | JonK: | ok |
| [20:58:00] | SarahEmm: | but centrino isn't a CPU |
| [20:58:00] | directhex: | no. it's a brand, which applies to a checklist of stuff |
| [20:58:00] | mokomull: | I thought the Centrino name specified the exact CPU that it applied to... |
| [20:58:00] | SarahEmm: | nope |
| [20:59:00] | SarahEmm: | it specifies that you have one of a list of chipsets, one of a list of wifi cards, one of a list of graphics chipsets, etc |
| [20:59:00] | mokomull: | It's a P-M or P4-M, I don't know what the difference is. |
| [20:59:00] | mokomull: | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz |
| [20:59:00] | mokomull: | (according to /proc/cpuinfo) |
| [20:59:00] | SarahEmm: | that's a P-M |
| [21:00:00] | directhex: | centrino means a banias or dotha-core intel cpu, an i855 or i915 motherboard, ipw2100 ipw2200 or ipw2915 wireless, intel extreme 2 or gma900 graphics, and windows xp or linux 2.6.9 |
| [21:00:00] | directhex: | *dothan |
| [21:01:00] | mokomull: | Hrm, so since I use 2.6.11.11, then it's not technically a Centrino :-P |
| [21:01:00] | directhex: | 2.6.9 or higher, then |
| [21:02:00] | mokomull: | Anyway, I think I'm going to go with a $50-ish USB adapter and just pass it through to VMware... I'll just use the sound port on the device straight to some speakers or something... |
| [21:02:00] | mokomull: | Usually I don't like using VMware on battery, but heck, if I'm going to be tethered to a CATV jack, then why not power too :-P |
| [21:03:00] | mokomull: | I don't see why it wouldn't work... |
| [21:04:00] | mokomull: | There's nothing that says it requires a 3D video card or something (to support overlays, etc...), so VMware *should* work. |
| [21:04:00] | JonK: | ahh the magic words.... |
| [21:05:00] | mokomull: | What, "should"? |
| [21:05:00] | JonK: | ding |
| [21:05:00] | JonK: | my pvr500 *should* work |
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| [21:06:00] | JonK: | but alas.... |
| [21:06:00] | JonK: | it does not... |
| [21:06:00] | LOCO_22_: | hey guys! |
| [21:06:00] | mokomull: | Hehe, speaking of which... my brother did give me a TV tuner card, but it doesn't work well even in Windows. |
| [21:06:00] | SarahEmm: | what card? |
| [21:07:00] | SarahEmm: | a lot of cards that don't work well in windows work well in linux |
| [21:07:00] | mokomull: | It *should* use the bttv module, but I can't get it to change channels. Hold on, and let me see which model. |
| [21:07:00] | LOCO_22_: | is there a Myth tv port for XP? |
| [21:07:00] | SarahEmm: | LOCO_22_: there's WinMyth which can be used as a frontend, but there's no backend afaik |
| [21:08:00] | XAD|onoff: | I have been running remote over standard X11 and as VMware has special drivers in X11R6 it should work... |
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| [21:08:00] | LOCO_22_: | thanks SarahEmm |
| [21:08:00] | mokomull: | KWorld VS-LTV7131R... doesn't change channels. |
| [21:09:00] | mokomull: | It wasn't bttv that didn't work, it was the saa713x driver that didn't work (which should have) |
| [21:09:00] | SarahEmm: | hrm =-/ i dunno |
| [21:10:00] | LOCO_22_: | Anyone expierienced EEPROM |
| [21:10:00] | LOCO_22_: | problems with Aver tuners |
| [21:10:00] | SarahEmm: | LOCO_22_: what's the issue? |
| [21:11:00] | mokomull: | Anyway, I'd prefer not lugging my desktop to the dorm. Thanks y'all. |
| [21:11:00] | LOCO_22_: | No system recognizes the tuner card (windows or linux) |
| [21:11:00] | SarahEmm: | what makes you think there's an EEPROM problem? |
| [21:12:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: it's only lets you view recordings don't it? not videos, etcA? |
| [21:12:00] | Ashlar: | you mean tveeprom |
| [21:12:00] | LOCO_22_: | yes coz i have the latest drivers |
| [21:12:00] | mokomull: | By the way, would a USB tuner that does use a bt848/bt878 or saa7134 work in Linux? |
| [21:13:00] | SarahEmm: | mokomull: no. and i don't know of any such thing that exists |
| [21:13:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: yeah. |
| [21:13:00] | mokomull: | Oh :( |
| [21:13:00] | SarahEmm: | LOCO_22_: err, i don't understand.. what makes you think it's an EEPROM issue? |
| [21:13:00] | mokomull: | What about the USBvision driver? Can it change channels? |
| [21:13:00] | Ashlar: | SarahEmm: tveeprom.. his tuner's not recognized.. LOCO_22_, what does modprobing tveeprom show in dmesg? |
| [21:13:00] | LOCO_22_: | i told you i have the latest drivers what else could it be |
| [21:13:00] | mokomull: | (I noticed it was for webcams and stuff, but happens to support tuners.) |
| [21:14:00] | SarahEmm: | LOCO_22_: err.. what chipset is it? does it show up in 'lspci'? |
| [21:14:00] | LOCO_22_: | yes it shows up its PVR |
| [21:15:00] | SarahEmm: | what card is it, what chipset, what driver are you using? |
| [21:15:00] | SarahEmm: | and paste the line from lspci? |
| [21:15:00] | LOCO_22_: | chipset must bbe something like CX or something |
| [21:16:00] | LOCO_22_: | its AVER MPI 150 PVR |
| [21:16:00] | LOCO_22_: | latest drivers |
| [21:16:00] | SarahEmm: | what driver tho? |
| [21:16:00] | SarahEmm: | not version, what driver itself |
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| [21:16:00] | LOCO_22_: | must be wdm not sure |
| [21:16:00] | SarahEmm: | err |
| [21:17:00] | SarahEmm: | on linux i mean |
| [21:17:00] | SarahEmm: | you said you had the latest driver? |
| [21:17:00] | Ashlar: | "what car do you drive" "oh, it's a grey one with turbo" "what engine?" "the latest" |
| [21:17:00] | SarahEmm: | exactly Ashlar :P |
| [21:17:00] | LOCO_22_: | oh i have no linux drivers there arent any for that card on the developers site |
| [21:17:00] | SarahEmm: | err |
| [21:18:00] | SarahEmm: | so you can't get your PVR card working on windows? |
| [21:18:00] | SarahEmm: | if so, this isn't the place to ask |
| [21:18:00] | LOCO_22_: | no in both OS |
| [21:18:00] | SarahEmm: | err.... |
| [21:18:00] | LOCO_22_: | in linux either |
| [21:18:00] | SarahEmm: | you can't get it working in linux, but you havne't installed any drivers |
| [21:18:00] | SarahEmm: | ? |
| [21:18:00] | LOCO_22_: | using SUSE and KNOPPIX |
| [21:19:00] | SarahEmm: | okay.... did you even install any driver tho? |
| [21:19:00] | Ashlar: | brb, reboot |
| [21:19:00] | LOCO_22_: | where should i find them i googled and there arent any |
| [21:19:00] | SarahEmm: | okay. it's likely not an eeprom issue then, it's probably the fact that you didn't even INSTALL a driver. |
| [21:19:00] | SarahEmm: | what's the exact model? 'aver mpi 150' isn't a card as far as i can tell |
| [21:19:00] | SarahEmm: | is it maybe the Aver MCE 150 PVR? |
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| [21:19:00] | LOCO_22_: | yeah thats it |
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| [21:20:00] | SarahEmm: | okay... |
| [21:20:00] | SarahEmm: | that will use the 'ivtv' driver, if it's supported at all |
| [21:20:00] | SarahEmm: | i don't know if that card is supported, it may well not be. but if it is, that's the driver to use. |
| [21:21:00] | LOCO_22_: | gimme a link and i 'll get them |
| [21:21:00] | SarahEmm: | google is your friend. |
| [21:21:00] | LOCO_22_: | ok thanks |
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| [21:21:00] | SarahEmm: | http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=ivtv |
| [21:21:00] | JohnnyST: | LOCO_22_, http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/ |
| [21:22:00] | mokomull: | Actually, I think I'll just stick with a TV/VCR. Ja ne! |
| [21:22:00] | LOCO_22_: | JohnnyST thanks, you are really helping! |
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| [21:22:00] | SarahEmm: | *sigh* |
| [21:22:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm gonna head out for a bit before i yell at someone. :P |
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| [21:22:00] | JohnnyST: | :) |
| [21:23:00] | JonK: | meaning your going to head out and then yell at someone later |
| [21:23:00] | JonK: | or are going out to aviod yelling? |
| [21:23:00] | ** JonK is going to get himself yelled at.... ** | |
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| [21:28:00] | ShockValue: | well, ratpoisoin cleared up my window focus problem, switched from evilwm.. if anyone was waiting desperatly to hear back from me (ha ha) |
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| [21:37:00] | rah: | HELLO |
| [21:37:00] | rah: | I could do with some help |
| [21:37:00] | GeckoFiend: | I swear that wm should be listed in the howto |
| [21:38:00] | GeckoFiend: | go for it rah |
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| [21:38:00] | rah: | I have mythtv all setup and running OK with my card |
| [21:38:00] | GeckoFiend: | spiffy |
| [21:38:00] | rah: | unfortunately, after getting relevant channels from the uk radiotimes site with mythfilldatabase, the channels are all wrong |
| [21:39:00] | rah: | all the numbers of the channels downloaded are different to the DVB channels |
| [21:39:00] | rah: | so nothing shows up next to the channels in the channel guide, and all the ones that do have entries have "unknown" as their channel name |
| [21:39:00] | GeckoFiend: | rah sorry I'm on the other side of the pond |
| [21:39:00] | rah: | :( |
| [21:42:00] | GeckoFiend: | have you looked on the wiki and searched the mailing lists? |
| [21:42:00] | rah: | yes and yes |
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| [21:43:00] | GeckoFiend: | did you try a ring of votive candles and a sacrifial lamb? |
| [21:45:00] | rtsai_: | anyone using xscreensaver with mythtv? |
| [21:45:00] | rah: | I even did that, yes |
| [21:45:00] | rah: | the lamb ran away tho :( |
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| [21:45:00] | GeckoFiend: | rtsai lots of folks are |
| [21:46:00] | GeckoFiend: | what's your specific question? |
| [21:46:00] | rtsai: | what visual should I configure into xscreensaver? |
| [21:46:00] | rtsai: | I'm trying to use "flipscreen3d" to get whatever happens to be on the screen to be flipped around and stuff |
| [21:46:00] | GeckoFiend: | heh Which ever one you like best? |
| [21:46:00] | rtsai: | I'm trying the "GL" visual and I just get the default icon being flipped around |
| [21:47:00] | rtsai: | I tried "Best" and nothing happened. |
| [21:47:00] | rtsai: | It should be drawing on the root window, right? |
| [21:47:00] | GeckoFiend: | it'll draw over the myth window.... |
| [21:48:00] | GeckoFiend: | are you using it while video is playing back? |
| [21:48:00] | rtsai: | I want it to use the myth window for the picture it flips around, but it's like xscreensaver is choosing some different "layer" or something to extract its content |
| [21:48:00] | rtsai: | No, I'm just sitting on the menu (xscreensaver is disabled when you watch tv) |
| [21:49:00] | GeckoFiend: | rtsai xscreensaver doesn't get disabled for everyone that's why I asked. |
| [21:49:00] | GeckoFiend: | let me run a test here |
| [21:49:00] | rtsai: | Oh. Sorry. Yeah. It's disabled for me. (Thanks.) |
| [21:50:00] | GeckoFiend: | Flipflop? or flipscreen3d? |
| [21:51:00] | rtsai: | flipscreen3d |
| [21:51:00] | rtsai: | I'm thinking I need to be doing something in the "advanced" screen (choosing a different "visual", or somehow tweaking the command-line, or something) |
| [21:52:00] | rtsai: | It's weird because it behaves the way I expect on my machine at work, and my setup at home is pretty identical, except that I have a real 3D card (at work I have onboard video, but it shouldn't matter). |
| [21:52:00] | rtsai: | lol and everytime I tweak something I have to wait 1 minute to see what happens |
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| [21:54:00] | rtsai: | Ah, I got it. |
| [21:55:00] | GeckoFiend: | oh? |
| [21:55:00] | rtsai: | You have to set it up to "grab desktop images". |
| [21:55:00] | GeckoFiend: | my guess is if you check the box in the appearances settings for myt that says "Run Myth in a window" it'd work without that |
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| [21:57:00] | rtsai: | I'd like to get rid of the white outline of the frame getting flipped around but I don't see a setting for that. |
| [21:57:00] | rtsai: | anyway, thanks |
| [21:58:00] | GeckoFiend: | I just have my frontends set to blank the screen |
| [22:00:00] | rtsai: | Yeah, but that's kind of boring on my TV. I've been living with the default stupid "X" thingie for awhile, but now I'm finally down to taking care of the important stuff :) |
| [22:00:00] | rtsai: | The screensaver gives me an indication that the TV needs to be turned off, without burning in the TV. |
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| [22:33:00] | les_: | hi, I'm looking at installing myth on a P3–800Mhz 256 Mb ram, should I purchase a PVR 350 to improve the 'user experience' or would any other PVR system do? |
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| [22:38:00] | sdfsdf: | hi, i'm interested in setting up a mythtv system to use in my college dorm. What I am trying to setup is a clientless recording system (i have this part figured out) and a way to access it from my windows laptop. I've read a few places about compiling mythfrontend on cygwin and/or mingw, (in particular; this one: http://tinyurl.com/cah4p), but none seem to have been conclusive, wondering if anyone here has anything like that or knows |
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| [22:48:00] | iggy: | sdfsdf: I've never heard anyone actually getting mythfrontend working on windows |
| [22:49:00] | iggy: | but I sure have heard a lot of people come in here bitching about it being broken |
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| [23:32:00] | scuzzy: | I wish I could track down this prebuffering pause problem |
| [23:34:00] | KarlosII: | sstupid xine by default in ubuntu has read ahead turned on for dvds which cuases it to stutter |
| [23:34:00] | scuzzy: | KarlosII: there will be a switch to turn it off no doubt |
| [23:35:00] | scuzzy: | Hmmm, maybe not |
| [23:35:00] | KarlosII: | scuzzy, yeah there is |
| [23:35:00] | KarlosII: | under expert |
| [23:35:00] | scuzzy: | I got a debian copy, and it doesn't have any issues |
| [23:35:00] | scuzzy: | Ahhh |
| [23:35:00] | KarlosII: | I use ubuntu |
| [23:35:00] | scuzzy: | KarlosII: so, turn it off |
| [23:35:00] | KarlosII: | I did :P |
| [23:35:00] | KarlosII: | I played witht he settings until I found the cuase |
| [23:36:00] | KarlosII: | :> |
| [23:36:00] | scuzzy: | I found I had to get it to deinterlace pictures |
| [23:36:00] | scuzzy: | looked funny on my tv |
| [23:36:00] | scuzzy: | and it works well with lirc |
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| [23:37:00] | KarlosII: | ah |
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