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Error at /opt/beirdobot/share/beirdobot/web/includes/utils.php, line 120:
htmlentities() [function.htmlentities]: Invalid multibyte sequence in argument

Details:
    datetime:  2010-12-02 17:30:56 (UTC)
    errornum:  2
  error type:  Warning
error string:  htmlentities() [<a href='function.htmlentities'>function.htmlentities</a>]: Invalid multibyte sequence in argument
    filename:  /opt/beirdobot/share/beirdobot/web/includes/utils.php
  error line:  120
Friday, June 10th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] Midkniht: hmmmm
[00:00:00] dude234234234: well i found the install readme
[00:00:00] dude234234234: and im following the instructions
[00:00:00] JonK: and how's it going
[00:00:00] dude234234234: not too well
[00:01:00] dude234234234: im on hte step make
[00:01:00] JonK: oko
[00:01:00] JonK: ok
[00:01:00] dude234234234: and, i dont know what to do
[00:01:00] dude234234234: i type make
[00:01:00] dude234234234: but i dont know what file to put affer it
[00:01:00] dude234234234: after it*
[00:01:00] JonK: dont
[00:01:00] JonK: just type make
[00:01:00] dude234234234: ok
[00:01:00] dude234234234: it says error 2
[00:01:00] JonK: make assumes that you will be using a file called "Makefile"
[00:01:00] JonK: up above that, look for a file not found
[00:01:00] dude234234234: no such file or directory
[00:01:00] JonK: error
[00:01:00] JonK: what's the missing file
[00:02:00] dude234234234: '/lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build:
[00:02:00] dude234234234: make CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV=m -C /lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build M=/root/ivtv-0.3.6g/driver modules
[00:03:00] dude234234234: any suggestions?
[00:03:00] JonK: hang on
[00:03:00] dude234234234: ok
[00:03:00] dude234234234: just checking that i didnt time out..
[00:06:00] JonK: you need the linux header files i think
[00:07:00] dude234234234: and those are?
[00:07:00] JonK: i thought you said you knew c++
[00:07:00] Midkniht (bman@pcp455074pcs.shklfd01.ar.comcast.net) Quit ("BitchX: not from concentrate")
[00:07:00] dude234234234: i did at one point
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[00:07:00] dude234234234: i siad i used to
[00:07:00] dude234234234: but
[00:07:00] dude234234234: i do remember what header files are
[00:07:00] JonK: good
[00:07:00] dude234234234: but i dont know how to get them into linux
[00:08:00] JonK: run make again and find the line wiht the "file not found" error , what file is listed
[00:09:00] dude234234234: its missing the directory
[00:09:00] dude234234234: '/lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build
[00:09:00] CanadaBoy: yo ... all :-P
[00:10:00] CanadaBoy: anyone got any tips for streaming xvids from windows share -> via samba -> mythtv ... 10mb network connection (internal) .. i used to to it via 100mbit with no issues ..
[00:10:00] JonK: try apt-get install linux-kernel-headers
[00:10:00] CanadaBoy: anyways to tell mplayer to buffer ?
[00:11:00] dude234234234: said already newest version
[00:11:00] dude234234234: 0 installed
[00:12:00] dude234234234: 0 newly installed*
[00:12:00] JonK: try apt-get install linux-source-2.6.11.9
[00:12:00] JonK: ?
[00:13:00] JonK: x – s
[00:13:00] dude234234234: E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.11.9
[00:13:00] dude234234234: but it built 2 things
[00:13:00] dude234234234: package lists and dependency tree
[00:13:00] JonK: what?
[00:14:00] JonK: err source-2.6.11–9
[00:14:00] JonK: at the end
[00:14:00] JonK: linux – source....
[00:14:00] JonK: without the space
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[00:14:00] dude234234234: same error still
[00:15:00] JonK: and then I'd try starting over with ubuntu or fedora core3
[00:15:00] dude234234234: ok
[00:15:00] dude234234234: which one do you like better?
[00:15:00] JonK: never used fedora
[00:15:00] dude234234234: or, how different are they?
[00:15:00] dude234234234: do you use ubuntu?
[00:15:00] JonK: but jarod wilson has a great howto
[00:16:00] JonK: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/index.php
[00:16:00] dude234234234: ok
[00:16:00] dude234234234: thanx
[00:16:00] JonK: i have
[00:16:00] dude234234234: ill look at that
[00:16:00] JonK: it's all pretty much the same, but I am familar with ubuntu and what installs where on a default install, where i;ve not used knopmyth
[00:17:00] dude234234234: ok
[00:17:00] dude234234234: well i think ill use ubuntu
[00:17:00] dude234234234: then you can help mea lil more
[00:17:00] dude234234234: but, i bet you are gone by the time i get that installed
[00:18:00] dude234234234: where can i download ubuntu?
[00:18:00] dude234234234: and will it be in a cd image?
[00:18:00] kormoc: ubuntulinux.org maybe?
[00:19:00] dude234234234: im there
[00:19:00] dude234234234: im just not finding the dl
[00:20:00] JonK: on the right it says "download"
[00:20:00] CanadaBoy: anyways i can tell mplayer to buffer
[00:21:00] Kronuz: using twm, is it possible to have the mouse not setaling the focus if it goes out of a window?
[00:21:00] JonK: at www.ubuntulinux.org
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[00:21:00] dude234234234: ok, but thats not myth tv
[00:21:00] dude234234234: thats jut ubuntu linux right?
[00:21:00] JonK: yes,
[00:21:00] dude234234234: ok
[00:21:00] JonK: but knopmyth is not mythtv — it is knoppix
[00:22:00] dude234234234: but, it installs the mythtv for me
[00:22:00] JonK: really?
[00:22:00] JonK: you have it running?
[00:22:00] dude234234234: ya
[00:22:00] dude234234234: it boots right into mythtv
[00:22:00] dude234234234: i just cant get anything to wokr
[00:22:00] JonK: workign great for you....
[00:22:00] dude234234234: like sound
[00:22:00] dude234234234: its just running
[00:22:00] dude234234234: i ripped a cd onto it
[00:22:00] JonK: type lsmod | grep ivtv
[00:22:00] dude234234234: and i oculdnt get it to run
[00:23:00] dude234234234: play*
[00:23:00] dude234234234: that listed stuff
[00:23:00] JonK: like [ivtv]
[00:23:00] JonK: ?
[00:24:00] dude234234234: ivtv-filename.letter
[00:24:00] dude234234234: a long list
[00:24:00] dude234234234: i have to disconnect, ill be right back
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[00:24:00] JonK: i give up
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[00:31:00] dude12412: im back
[00:31:00] JonK: I missed you
[00:32:00] dude12412: i know
[00:33:00] dude12412: what was the command to get an ip on the linux?
[00:33:00] dude12412: its in a different room now
[00:33:00] dude12412: so i have to use putty
[00:34:00] JonK: it should auto assign one, what did it have before
[00:35:00] Kronuz: okay, what's a really cool theme for MythTV?
[00:36:00] dude12412: it had 192.168.1.101
[00:36:00] dude12412: but, that didnt work this time
[00:36:00] dude12412: cuz its plugged in with 6 computers now
[00:36:00] dude12412: it was just mine
[00:36:00] dude12412: but other people wanted the internet
[00:38:00] dude12412: the linux didnt grab an ip
[00:39:00] JonK: are you at the linux machine?
[00:39:00] dude12412: no
[00:39:00] dude12412: its at the other end of my house
[00:40:00] dude12412: hmm
[00:40:00] dude12412: i got an idea
[00:40:00] dude12412: brb
[00:40:00] dude12412: ill bring it here again
[00:40:00] kormoc: ifconfig eth0
[00:40:00] dude12412: i forgot i have another cable run to this room
[00:40:00] dude12412: ok
[00:40:00] kormoc: would show you the ip address
[00:43:00] dude12412: back
[00:43:00] dude12412: its installed inhere now
[00:44:00] Kronuz: there's no way to stretch the emulator's windows to fill the screen, right? :(
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[00:46:00] dude12412: its running
[00:46:00] dude12412: and im all logged in on both computers
[00:46:00] dude12412: and i have an ip
[00:46:00] JonK: praise be!
[00:47:00] dude12412: yey, you're still here
[00:47:00] dude12412: you are the most patient person in teh world
[00:47:00] JonK: now when you are running knoppmyth, it exeuctues mythtv? so you get the "watch tv" "settings".... interface on your screen
[00:48:00] JonK: but i'm also about to go to the gym
[00:48:00] dude12412: ya
[00:48:00] dude12412: aww
[00:48:00] dude12412: ya
[00:48:00] dude12412: it lets me do lots of setting things
[00:48:00] dude12412: i ripped a cd in it tho, and it ouwldnt play back with sound :(
[00:48:00] dude12412: it played it
[00:48:00] dude12412: just no sound
[00:49:00] JonK: how are you trying to get sound?
[00:49:00] dude12412: its just plugged into my sound card...
[00:49:00] dude12412: well the speakers are
[00:49:00] JonK: it being?
[00:49:00] JonK: ok
[00:49:00] dude12412: sblive
[00:50:00] JonK: ok... you have a tuned tv picture?
[00:50:00] JonK: you can watch, just not hear?
[00:50:00] dude12412: havnt been able to
[00:50:00] dude12412: havnt gotten that to work either
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[00:50:00] dude12412: it tells me...tuner card in use
[00:50:00] dude12412: but, its not in use...
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[00:51:00] kormoc: it's ghosts watching tv
[00:51:00] dude12412: ya
[00:51:00] dude12412: tells me to view recorded stuff
[00:51:00] dude12412: but, dont i have to install drivers for it to work?
[00:52:00] dude12412: the specific error is...
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[00:52:00] dude12412: mythtv is already using all available inputs for recording
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[00:52:00] kormoc: yeah, cause you didn't setup any so it can't open any
[00:52:00] dude12412: ok
[00:53:00] dude12412: how do i do that?
[00:53:00] dude12412: or do i have to install drivers first?
[00:53:00] dude12412: and thank you kormoc for helping me and thank you jonk for helping me too
[00:53:00] kormoc: drivers would be good, tho, knopmyth usually installs drivers for you unless you have a newish card or a unsupported card
[00:53:00] abarbaccia: anybody know what packages i should install to get nuv2disc installed and working? i'm running an ubuntu system
[00:53:00] dude12412: pvr-150
[00:53:00] kormoc: myth-setup or similar is how you setup myth to tell it what cards you have and what not
[00:53:00] kormoc: ooh, fun
[00:54:00] kormoc: a new card that requires new drivers
[00:54:00] dude12412: :(
[00:54:00] kormoc: you'll need to grab the ivtv .3 drivers and compile and use them
[00:54:00] dude12412: ok
[00:54:00] dude12412: well we tired that already
[00:54:00] dude12412: couldnt get it to work
[00:54:00] braniff: so i loaded snd_bt87x and it created /dev/dsp1, but when i try to use /dev/dsp1 in mythfrontend, it tells me "No such device".
[00:54:00] dude12412: but now i know some basic linux
[00:55:00] kormoc: braniff, try /dev/sound/dsp1?
[00:55:00] dude12412: so if you give me instuctions, i can probably follow them
[00:55:00] kormoc: welp, this is where you run out of luck, given I've never used the ivtv drivers nor knopmyth, I'm sorry, but I can't really help
[00:56:00] dude12412: ok
[00:56:00] dude12412: well do you use ubuntu?
[00:56:00] dude12412: or what do you use?
[00:56:00] kormoc: nope
[00:56:00] kormoc: I use gentoo
[00:56:00] Beirdo: hahhahah gentooo
[00:56:00] ** Beirdo hides again **
[00:56:00] dude12412: im willing to install anything, its all the same to me
[00:56:00] dude12412: i dont understand it
[00:56:00] braniff: hmmm..."Unable to set audio device (/dev/sound) to 32000kHz/16bits/2channels"
[00:57:00] kormoc: it'd take quite a few hours to install gentoo and all that.
[00:57:00] Beirdo: OK, I really should go make some dinner
[00:57:00] dude12412: o ok
[00:57:00] ** kormoc waves **
[00:57:00] Beirdo: kormoc: understatement of the week there
[00:57:00] kormoc: Beirdo, I'm talking bout using a stage 3 with packages cd :P
[00:57:00] Beirdo: gentoo ain't for the impatient or the short on time
[00:57:00] Beirdo: *cough* wuss *cough* :)
[00:57:00] dude12412: im not impatient, i spend 2.5 hours tryin to get an ip address
[00:58:00] kormoc: well, a stage 1 gentoo install would take about say 24 hours or so for everything on my box.
[00:58:00] dude12412: spent*
[00:58:00] dude12412: well, my box probably not that long...
[00:58:00] Beirdo: sounds about right
[00:58:00] kormoc: dude12412, what's your box?
[00:58:00] Beirdo: a bit personal :)
[00:58:00] dude12412: amd 64 bit
[00:58:00] kormoc: hehe
[00:59:00] kormoc: you'll take about 15 hours then :)
[00:59:00] dude12412: lol
[00:59:00] Beirdo: hehe
[00:59:00] dude12412: wow
[00:59:00] kormoc: and you get to deal with the oh wonderful joy of 32/64 bit libs!
[00:59:00] dude12412: im gonna stick with knoppmyth
[00:59:00] dude12412: and hopefully figure it out
[00:59:00] Beirdo: heh
[00:59:00] dude12412: anyone here know much about knoppmyth?
[01:00:00] braniff: nope
[01:00:00] dude12412: anyone here know about mce2005?
[01:00:00] dude12412: im sure thats easier...
[01:00:00] braniff: there is #knoppmyth though
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[01:01:00] dude12412: thanx
[01:01:00] braniff: np
[01:02:00] abarbaccia: hey all – nuvexport is spitting out a bunch of errors and i can't figure out why – can somebody lend a hand? I'm just trying to use it for the 1st time
[01:02:00] abarbaccia: Can't locate Date/Manip.pm
[01:02:00] kormoc: you need the perl date manip module
[01:05:00] braniff: anyone here understand btaudio ??
[01:05:00] dude12412: if i can get to a consol by pressing alt+control+f2, how do i get back to mythtv?
[01:05:00] kormoc: crtl+alt+f7/f8
[01:05:00] kormoc: usually f7 iirc
[01:05:00] dude12412: ok
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[01:06:00] dude12412: yey that worked
[01:06:00] dude12412: thanx
[01:07:00] abarbaccia: kormoc, thanks for that – i got it working now – the next step is installing nuv2disc – anybody know what packages i should install first?
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[01:14:00] Kronuz: hey, what's the command to call mplayer from MythTV to play videos?
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[01:14:00] Kronuz: mplayer but what parameters?
[01:15:00] kormoc: man mplayer
[01:15:00] Kronuz: kormoc: but I mean the defaults
[01:16:00] Kronuz: the ones that MythTV comes with from start
[01:16:00] Kronuz: 'cause I deleted them and I can't remember
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[01:26:00] abarbaccia: how do i empty my database for myth?
[01:27:00] dude12412: anyone here know knoppmyth?
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[01:39:00] abarbaccia: hey all – my dvd video playback is kinda choppy – i dont know why – its only when people move on the screen – it gets grainy
[01:40:00] jedix: video card and cpu?
[01:43:00] Agrajag-: abarbaccia: im betting it's dma
[01:43:00] Agrajag-: do you have dma on for your dvd drive?
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[01:47:00] abarbaccia: Agrajag-, yes, i do – i still dont understand why tis choppy in the video
[01:47:00] abarbaccia: Agrajag-, do you think it has anything to do with the resolution i'm playing back at?
[01:48:00] Agrajag-: what cpu?
[01:48:00] abarbaccia: Celeron 2.6 GHz
[01:48:00] Agrajag-: you're 100% sure dma is on for the drive?
[01:48:00] abarbaccia: yes- im ssh to the machine right now and its playing
[01:48:00] Agrajag-: how are you checking dma?
[01:48:00] abarbaccia: and using_dma = 1 (on)
[01:48:00] Agrajag-: ok
[01:49:00] abarbaccia: hdparm -d /dev/hdb
[01:49:00] Agrajag-: hmm
[01:49:00] Agrajag-: dunno what else it could be
[01:49:00] Agrajag-: all dvd's do this?
[01:49:00] abarbaccia: most
[01:49:00] riksta: abarbaccia: are you using any filters
[01:49:00] abarbaccia: riksta, i am not sure how to check
[01:49:00] riksta: in setup -> tv playback
[01:50:00] riksta: in the frontend that is
[01:50:00] abarbaccia: riksta, its not for tv shows – its DVD playback
[01:50:00] riksta: ah sorry i didnt read far enough up
[01:51:00] riksta: how about increase the buffers in mplayer
[01:51:00] abarbaccia: im using xine
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[01:56:00] braniff: riksta: i noticed back in the chan logs that you once got error messages like this -> "localhost kernel: bttv0: OCERR @ 0e9dc008,bits: HSYNC OFLOW FBUS OCERR*" Did you every fix the problem ??
[01:56:00] ** braniff gets the same messages and no sound **
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[02:00:00] riksta: braniff: yeah man
[02:00:00] riksta: had a faulty CPU!!
[02:00:00] riksta: i still get the occasional one
[02:00:00] riksta: but that is ok
[02:00:00] riksta: it used to lock my PC
[02:02:00] braniff: interesting
[02:02:00] braniff: ./var/log/messages is full of these errors — i wonder what that means
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[02:04:00] braniff: did it give you sound problems by any chance ?
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[02:08:00] abarbaccia: okay – really weird- DVD problem only existed on the 1st episode of the seinfeld of that particular disc
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[02:11:00] rben: hi, I had to redo my mythtv box and now my datadirect stuff doesn't work, does anyone know where I can find the docs for how it's supposed to be set up?
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[02:15:00] Beirdo: you mean like the documentation on mythtv.org?
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[02:22:00] fatmatt: anyone tried compiling mythplugins 0.18.1?
[02:22:00] duende: yip
[02:22:00] fatmatt: I keep getting errors with mythgallery
[02:23:00] duende: what's the error?
[02:25:00] rben: I checked the mythtv docs
[02:25:00] rben: no joy there
[02:25:00] rben: maybe I'm missing something
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[02:27:00] fatmatt: just a ec, was trying last night, I'll do it again and get the error
[02:27:00] duende: When you configure a rom path in mythgame, does it go down throughs sub directories?
[02:28:00] braniff: holy shit....it finally works!
[02:29:00] riksta: braniff: /
[02:29:00] riksta: ??
[02:29:00] xris: rben: labs.zap2it.com — it's right there in the official documentation.
[02:29:00] braniff: my whole sound problem was due to not having libquicktime installed apparently
[02:30:00] dude12412: i got my tv tuner to display and have sound
[02:30:00] dude12412: but the image doesnt fit on my monitor..
[02:30:00] braniff: though no error message ever told me that
[02:30:00] dude12412: any suggestions?
[02:30:00] braniff: in mythtv — only in xawtv
[02:30:00] dude12412: and the sound is fuzzy
[02:31:00] fatmatt: qtiffio.cpp:22:20: tiffio.h: No such file or directory thats the first of the errors
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[02:32:00] fatmatt: I've set it up to only compile mythgallery
[02:32:00] fatmatt: thats the main plugin I'm trying to get working in 0.18 at the moment
[02:33:00] fatmatt: weird thing is that the mz's debs are missing the mythgallery plugin as well
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[02:34:00] fatmatt: which is why I'm trying to compile from source
[02:35:00] rben: I know where to sign up for it. I put my id and password in the indicated places in mythsetup, but when mythfilldatabase runs, it doesn't seem to get to the data. Says unauthorized user
[02:35:00] iggy: is it expired?
[02:36:00] rben: no, just recently renewed it
[02:36:00] rben: good through 9/13
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[02:39:00] dude12412: can someone help me install drivers for a pvr-150?
[02:39:00] abarbaccia: i'm thinking of working on mythmusic a little bit – first off, i know how to make it so that ide-scsi emulation is not needed to burn a cd from cdrecord
[02:39:00] abarbaccia: abarbaccia is this a worthwhile change to make?
[02:40:00] iggy: dude12412: nope, try #ivtv-dev
[02:40:00] dude12412: tahnk you
[02:42:00] riksta: who uses FC3 here?
[02:43:00] riksta: id like to know a tutorial for how to make your own SRPMs and how to make RPMs for stuff you are going to manually install
[02:43:00] riksta: (never used fedora or an rpm based distro b4)
[02:45:00] abarbaccia: riksta, building rpms from srpms or creating srpms and building them to rpms is a long processess nobody wants to do
[02:45:00] abarbaccia: if you want to compile something – just do it – but building rpms needs a build tree plus many apps – theres plenty of tutorials – just google – and check fedora's website
[02:46:00] riksta: abarbaccia: nah because what if i have 6 boxes to stick the same packages on
[02:46:00] riksta: i might as well do it into my own rpm
[02:46:00] riksta: and make a repo
[02:46:00] riksta: i was googling for them
[02:46:00] riksta: i dunno what to search for
[02:50:00] abarbaccia: srpm build rpm
[02:51:00] abarbaccia: and trust me – its a lot more work than what you want to do – just compile on all of them
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[02:51:00] riksta: kk
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[03:22:00] abarbaccia: hey – i edited one of the plugins source
[03:22:00] abarbaccia: and i want to build it – how do i go about it
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[03:38:00] ananke: abarbaccia : same way as you would compile them normally.
[03:38:00] iggy: batdog: where you live?
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[03:38:00] abarbaccia: ananke, i got it – i needed to do a qmake first – but it still wont compile – now make is giving me all sorts of errors with things being defined already
[03:39:00] ananke: abarbaccia : first, make clean
[03:39:00] ananke: second, you may have screwed up the source code :)
[03:40:00] abarbaccia: ananke, i only changed one line – and it wouldn't cause 10000 errors in files i didn't touch
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[03:54:00] banyan: Hey, has anyone in here used Jarod Wilson's setup guide recently to install onto FC3? I have been unable to get mysql set up and working.
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[04:01:00] hadees: banyan, you can't get mysaql setup?
[04:01:00] hadees: whats the problem?
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[04:02:00] hadees: banyan, you checked the information against the stuff at mythtv.org right?
[04:04:00] banyan: It keeps failing, saying it can't cd to /var/lib/mysql/
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[04:04:00] hadees: banyan, does that exist?
[04:05:00] hadees: and what is failing starting up mysql?
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[04:09:00] banyan: mysqld spits out that error when I try to start it.
[04:10:00] banyan: If I blow away the directory, a script is run to set it up, but then it fails with /usr/libexec/mysqld: Can't change dir to '/var/lib/mysql/' (Errcode: 13)
[04:10:00] banyan: I can set everything to +777 and I still get it failing.
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[04:11:00] Cardoe: hrm
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[04:12:00] banyan: I can get the mysql 4 running, but then I can't make mythtvsetup run because the authentication protocol required for mythtvsetup isn't supported by the version 4 mysqld.
[04:12:00] banyan: heh
[04:13:00] banyan: In case it makes any difference, I enabled that extra security thingamabob in fc3 when I installed.
[04:13:00] banyan: selinux.
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[04:18:00] banyan: I would have thought this would be something commonly run into, but I guess not...?
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[04:23:00] ananke: banyan : uhmm, did you run mysql_install_db?
[04:26:00] banyan: It gets run by the startup script. But it failed installing the grant tables.
[04:26:00] banyan: Anyway, I shut off selinux and it starts now. ah heh heh..
[04:29:00] banyan: Man, I have been banging my head on that for four nights now.
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[05:08:00] [Klatuu]: what should I set a PVR-500 as in mythsetup for the card config?
[05:09:00] Chris_McTire: [Klatuu]: http://www.bitbenderforums.com/~ralpha6/knopp . . . ppmythtv.htm
[05:10:00] Chris_McTire: Scroll down a tad.
[05:11:00] Chris_McTire: Is there a way to get the mythfrontend to stop displaying a tiny picture in picture of the show you're selecting on the "Watch Recordings" screen?
[05:14:00] Chris_McTire: I could swear there is an option to use a static image instead but I can't find the option.
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[05:16:00] dude12412: how do i get an account with datadirect for the listings?
[05:18:00] Chris_McTire: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3
[05:18:00] rpete: go to labs.zap2it.com
[05:18:00] Chris_McTire: "If you wish to use Zap2It DataDirect, you'll need to establish a user account. Go to http://labs.zap2it.com and click on the "New User? Sign Up" link. Read the license terms, and if you agree with them click "Accept". The next screen is the subscription registration. In the "Certificate Code" field, enter ZIYN-DQZO-SBUT."
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[05:23:00] Chris_McTire: Is there a way to get the mythfrontend to stop displaying a tiny preview of the show you're selecting on the "Watch Recordings" screen?
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[05:24:00] opello: you can use the 'processor friendly preview' and it should just show a picture
[05:24:00] Chris_McTire: opello: Any idea where that option is?
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[05:26:00] opello: Chris_McTire: i would guess the setup in the frontend, 1 sec and i'll look
[05:29:00] opello: playback section
[05:30:00] opello: main > utilities/setup > setup > tv settings > playback > 3rd page > generate thumbnail preview images of recordings and untick 'display live preview of recordings' i guess
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[05:32:00] Chris_McTire: danke
[05:35:00] opello: bitte
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[05:39:00] Skif: has anybody seen (and hopefully fixed!) their myth box inexplicably hang hard after a few hours?
[05:39:00] Skif: I seem to last about 12–15 hours before it locks up solid
[05:40:00] fatmatt: Skif does dmesg show anything likely to be the culprit?
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[05:41:00] fatmatt: I had a dodgy hard drive that was causing random lock ups, but often in the 12–24hrs apart
[05:41:00] Skif: fatmatt, I don't know for sure; I have a lot of messages like:
[05:42:00] Skif: i2c_adapter: i2c-2: I2C level transfers not supported
[05:42:00] Skif: and
[05:42:00] Skif: cx25840: firmware load failed
[05:43:00] Skif: that last is particularly weird, since the driver seems to function quite nicely otherwise.
[05:43:00] fatmatt: thats dvb stuff I think..
[05:43:00] fatmatt: just a sec
[05:44:00] Skif: huh
[05:44:00] Skif: okay, right before I think it locked up, /var/log/syslog says:
[05:45:00] Skif: localhost dhclient: send_packet: No buffer space available
[05:46:00] fatmatt: not running out of disk space are you? have you set your live tv buffer too high?
[05:46:00] Skif: which suggests a possible OOM problem, but that doesn't seem rght either; I have 512M, and 1.5G swap, which is in all fairness probably too much.
[05:46:00] Skif: no, disk space is at 36%
[05:46:00] fatmatt: yeah
[05:46:00] Skif: anyway, dhclient isn't interested in disk space.
[05:47:00] Skif: I wonder if there's a memory leak in the ivtv driver...
[05:48:00] fatmatt: I did have some issues with figuring out which i2c modules to compile/load, ended up enableing all of them in the kernel and removign them a few at a time
[05:53:00] Skif: thing is, I only see those messages at modprobe time
[05:53:00] Skif: from all the logs I can see, there's no real reason for the box to hang, but hang it does
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[06:31:00] KarlosII: anyone know what is wrong hear?
[06:31:00] KarlosII: http://pastebin.com/298197
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[06:32:00] Chris_McTire: That's not terribly informative unfortunatly.
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[06:34:00] JWillis: Hello everyone, I have a quick question, can I use software decoding with Winmyth or do I have to have a hardware decoder?
[06:34:00] Agrajag-: winmyth? i thought that was only a frontend
[06:37:00] KarlosII: Chris_McTire, ?
[06:37:00] Chris_McTire: KarlosII: That log file wasn't terribly helpful unfortunatly.
[06:38:00] KarlosII: hmm
[06:38:00] KarlosII: lemme see
[06:40:00] KarlosII: Chris_McTire, http://pastebin.com/298202 <-- that better?
[06:44:00] JWillis: Has anyone gotten Winmyth to work?
[06:46:00] Agrajag-: nup, mainly because it's always behind on the proto versions
[06:47:00] Agrajag-: JWillis: give mythstreamtv a go if you want to watch videos on windows computers, you'll probably have more luck
[06:54:00] JWillis: Agrajag: thanks
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[07:03:00] Chris_McTire: KarlosII: Wait a moment. Lets take a few steps back. Did myth ever work for you?
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[07:03:00] KarlosII: not on ubuntu, I just uninstaleld it I'll look at it later I got a store to put together
[07:04:00] mortal5: riksta, you here? I figured out the problem was with my ivtv driver going out on me
[07:04:00] riksta: yes
[07:04:00] mortal5: :^) ...just thought you should know ...lol
[07:04:00] mortal5: all that damn work
[07:04:00] riksta: so everything is working?
[07:04:00] mortal5: yeah
[07:04:00] riksta: what was it
[07:04:00] mortal5: the ivtv driver
[07:05:00] mortal5: was going out on me
[07:05:00] mortal5: had to rmmod it and modprobe it back in
[07:05:00] mortal5: dunno why
[07:05:00] riksta: going out?
[07:05:00] mortal5: yeah like, i'd loose output
[07:05:00] mortal5: composite 0 would just be a black screen
[07:05:00] Chris_McTire: KarlosII: Looks like you have a directory problem among other things. Is mythbackend working?
[07:05:00] mortal5: weird
[07:05:00] KarlosII: chris it was running
[07:06:00] riksta: so now you have to rmmod all the time when it breaks?
[07:06:00] mortal5: lol yeah
[07:07:00] riksta: downgrade the driver or something
[07:07:00] Chris_McTire: This is odd. "5. mythtv: could not connect to socket"
[07:07:00] mortal5: yup maybe,
[07:07:00] mortal5: it's an annoyance at best
[07:07:00] mortal5: rather worst
[07:09:00] mortal5: you know i'd like to know if theres a lighter wieght ...less featured program out there to take advantage of a tv capture card
[07:09:00] riksta: tvtime
[07:09:00] mortal5: hmm
[07:10:00] riksta: xawtv
[07:11:00] mortal5: xawtv doesn't support the mpg output i'm told
[07:11:00] riksta: oh yeah ivitv
[07:11:00] riksta: ivtv
[07:11:00] riksta: i forgot
[07:11:00] riksta: i never use ivtv ya see
[07:11:00] mortal5: heh
[07:11:00] mortal5: what driver do you use?
[07:13:00] mortal5: is there one you can compile in with v4l?
[07:15:00] mortal5: (I looked in my kernel config but i didn't see anything relating to the pvr 250 in v4l)
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[07:21:00] mortal5: well guys I gota hit the sack, you can memo me at this acct i think
[07:21:00] mortal5: nite nite
[07:21:00] mortal5: thx all
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[07:28:00] banyan: hey, where should the mysql.txt file go?
[07:28:00] JWillis: Agrajag: Are you still around?
[07:28:00] Agrajag-: yep
[07:28:00] JWillis: Are you running mythstreamtv?
[07:28:00] Agrajag-: yeah
[07:28:00] JWillis: did you have to recompile the source?
[07:29:00] Agrajag-: of mythtv? nope
[07:29:00] Agrajag-: i already had mythtv and mythweb
[07:29:00] JWillis: the source for vlc
[07:29:00] Agrajag-: oh, yeah
[07:29:00] JWillis: is it hard to do?
[07:29:00] Agrajag-: i compiled a vlc and ffmpeg just for mythstreamtv
[07:30:00] Agrajag-: nope
[07:30:00] Agrajag-: depends how stupid you are though :P
[07:30:00] JWillis: nice
[07:31:00] JWillis: the vlc source tarball has boatloads of src rpms in it. Do I need to build them individually?
[07:31:00] Agrajag-: hmm i dunno, sure you've got the right one?
[07:32:00] Agrajag-: vlc-0.8.1.tar.gz is what i used
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[07:38:00] JWillis: Agrajag: where to you download that from?
[07:41:00] JWillis: found it
[07:41:00] iprone: jwillis: you can also download the videolan-client rpm src from freshrpms and then just enable the mp3lame option/recompile
[07:42:00] iprone: that rpm had less deps required to get running than the vlc pkg from their site, not sure if thats the best route, but it was definitely the easiest from my end
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[08:04:00] JWillis: iprone: where do
[08:04:00] JWillis: I enable the mp3lame option?
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[08:09:00] iprone: in the spec file
[08:09:00] iprone: by defefault in redhat, /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/videolan-client.spec
[08:10:00] iprone: you will notice the buildrequires and --enable lines are commented out due to licensing issue
[08:10:00] iprone: so you can enable and then build that rpm
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[08:11:00] iprone: i threw up a copy of the rpm i built the other day for it on files.iprone.com if you are using fc3
[08:12:00] Chris_McTire: later
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[08:24:00] banyan: hey, how come mythtv still wants to connect to the mysql database as mythtv, even though I've created a different user?
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[08:25:00] fatmatt: theres an option in setup for the database user I think
[08:25:00] banyan: Yep, I set it up for the new user.
[08:27:00] banyan: but it's still trying to connect with the mythtv user.
[08:28:00] banyan: anyone know what the password is for mythtv out of the box?
[08:28:00] Araldit: Im trying to get my remote to work with Xine and mythdvd, but nothing happens when I play the DVD. I have inserted the lirc lines in /home/me/.mythtv/lircrc, like I did with mplayer and mythtv. I start with "begin xine" and then all the buttons get keymapped as normal, with a ending "end xine", to close the xine code in an object. Can this work? It does work with mplayer.
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[08:39:00] banyan: Initially, the mysql user name and password are dug out of the mysql.txt file, correct? And where should that file be located?
[08:40:00] fatmatt: /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt
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[08:57:00] scardinal: hello
[08:59:00] scardinal: Anyoen here using hauppauge pvr-350 using unix who can tell me if the quality of the recordings are as good as a dvd recorder?
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[09:09:00] the-FoX: good morning
[09:10:00] the-FoX: i got a problem with my mythfrontend: after compiling and installing the mythplugins , the mythfrontend won't start anymore. it ends with "myth: can not connect to socket" (something similar) and finally with: memoy access violation
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[09:23:00] banyan: what does an s mean at the beginning of a listing of a file with ls -l? i.e. srw-rw-rw- blah blah .... /dev/lircd
[09:23:00] banyan: socket?
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[09:35:00] scardinal: banyan: yes s is a socket
[09:35:00] banyan: That's new.
[09:36:00] banyan: I just have to figure out why my lirc daemon is crapping out regularly and I think I have everything set up. And it only took about 20 hours of fiddling around!
[09:36:00] banyan: lol
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[14:07:00] nico: problem with wakeuptime command
[14:08:00] nico: has anybody successfully enabled this ?
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[14:20:00] CyberKnet: *yawn*
[14:20:00] brejc8: Maybe all peoples problems have been solved?
[14:21:00] brejc8: There is nothing more to do. Good job. We can all rest
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[14:24:00] CyberKnet: "This is a public service announcement. There are no more bugs in MythTV, all features are complete. In addition, the documentation is also perfect, and all users are happily watching TV. MythTV thanks you for your support over the years. This mailing list will now close. This has been a public service announcement."
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[14:24:00] JonK: started with the booze early this morning, even for you?
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[14:26:00] levon: CyberKnet, cool, that means the new mind-reading feature is also implemented and I can watch MoonTV...
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[14:27:00] brejc8: Only in your mind though. Remember to install libimagination
[14:29:00] CyberKnet: levon: Yes. Right now they're showing "0-G spot" on MoonTV.
[14:30:00] levon: CyberKnet, great. I'm gonna switch to MoonTV after I've watched this episode of NeighbourTV with the mind-reading plugin.
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[14:31:00] JonK: have you seen my neighbors? I'll pass thanks
[14:31:00] levon: lol
[14:31:00] levon: have you seen my neighbourette? ;)
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[14:41:00] CyberKnet: JonK: any luck last night?
[14:43:00] JonK: no, but then didn't try (assuming you're referring to the pvr500 problem)
[14:46:00] JonK: still getting: ivtv: i2c client addr: 0x44 not found for command 1074029571!
[14:48:00] JonK: and the same error for three additional lines in dmesg 1074029572! 1074029572! 1074029571!
[14:48:00] JonK: with differnt numbers at the end
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[15:08:00] CyberKnet: didn't try the second card then, I take it?
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[15:13:00] JonK: i went to the gym though
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[15:28:00] mfgalizi: Is anyone running mythplugins out of CVS?
[15:29:00] mfgalizi: is anyone awake?
[15:30:00] Beirdo: why would I be awake?
[15:30:00] Beirdo: :)
[15:30:00] Beirdo: heh
[15:30:00] Beirdo: I use mythvideo, mythmusic, mythweather
[15:30:00] Beirdo: but that's it
[15:30:00] Beirdo: and yes, from CVS
[15:31:00] ** Beirdo thanks Chutt again for squashing that bug with the sockets that caused random backend crashes :) **
[15:31:00] Beirdo: my backend is once again rock solid
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[15:33:00] GreyFoxx: When was that fixed ?
[15:33:00] mfgalizi: OK, well, if anyone has tried the keybinding plugin, I'm looking for feedback on the UI
[15:34:00] Beirdo: in CVS like about 2 weeks ago
[15:34:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[15:34:00] Beirdo: it was when mythweb (or others) would announce a playback several times on the one socket or something along those lines
[15:34:00] Beirdo: was fixed just before I went on vacation
[15:35:00] Beirdo: that had been plaguing me since 0.16, but I couldn't get a useful backtrace to save my life
[15:35:00] GreyFoxx: ok. I've been experiencing random backend crashes since I updated to CVS the other day. Chutt said it looked like something to do with my mysql, yet I've rebuilt it, reimported my db and it's still going on
[15:35:00] Esotericisms: morning all
[15:35:00] Beirdo: this one was triggered mainly by mythweb getting the pixmaps.. for me
[15:36:00] Beirdo: occasionally, the frontend would seem to do it too, but I can't be sure
[15:36:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Mine never crashes from mythfrontend, but crashed last night when starting a recording, and often when I load mythweb
[15:36:00] Beirdo: sounds similar.
[15:37:00] Beirdo: but my problem was gone
[15:39:00] GreyFoxx: mine has just started. Odd that it would come about after nothing but a cvs update if it's mysql related. But I'm also rebuilding QT on that box, so it will be interesting to see if that makes a difference
[15:39:00] GreyFoxx: I do however see that I need to fsck /usr on that box, so for all I know that might have something to do with it as well
[15:40:00] Beirdo: heh
[15:40:00] Beirdo: could be
[15:41:00] Beirdo: I don't like this song
[15:41:00] Beirdo: Hmph
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[15:41:00] Beirdo: NEXT
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[15:42:00] dude12412: hello
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[15:42:00] dude12412: anyone around?
[15:44:00] Midkniht: what would cause a blue screen when attempting to playback video?
[15:44:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: Broken XV support in your videocard driver
[15:44:00] Midkniht: weird
[15:45:00] Midkniht: it is because my X resolution was too big
[15:45:00] Midkniht: i changed it and no bluescreen
[15:45:00] GreyFoxx: What was the res that didn't work ? What driver/card ?
[15:45:00] dude12412: what is the most stable way to install mythtv?
[15:46:00] Midkniht: dude> I used debian stable and did apt-get install mythtv
[15:46:00] Midkniht: it just worked
[15:46:00] Midkniht: 1280x1024 works
[15:46:00] GreyFoxx: dude12412: Personally I prefer to compile from source, but there are plenty of packages out there if you are so inclined
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[15:46:00] Midkniht: 1600x1200 doesnt on a intel 810 video card driver
[15:47:00] GreyFoxx: My Desktop has an intel 810, I'm always running into xv problems :)
[15:47:00] Midkniht: yeah i know exactly what you mean
[15:47:00] GreyFoxx: but I don't care too much since I don't use my work desktop for many video related things
[15:47:00] Midkniht: i have worked through almost all of them
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[15:48:00] Beirdo: gah, get a real nick
[15:48:00] dude234234234: midkniht, wat tuner do you have?
[15:48:00] dude234234234: ok, ill get a real nick
[15:48:00] Midkniht: i dont want myth fullscreen but i want to use 1600x1200 unless playing back video
[15:48:00] Midkniht: im using the ATI All in Wonder
[15:48:00] Midkniht: i wonder what i can do
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[15:49:00] GreyFoxx: So you are running myth in a window, within the 1600x1200 and all you get is the blue video window?
[15:49:00] Midkniht: is there a keyboard command for fullscreen or not?
[15:49:00] GreyFoxx: no, it's configured in the setup menus
[15:49:00] Beirdo: not
[15:49:00] Midkniht: no i get the mythfrontend interface fine, and the video preveiws are fine
[15:50:00] Midkniht: just no actual video playback
[15:50:00] GreyFoxx: video previews use x11 for playback, the video playback is done via xv
[15:50:00] Midkniht: i have xv controls off in my setup i think
[15:50:00] GreyFoxx: but just to be clear, you are not running myth fullscreend right ?
[15:50:00] Midkniht: no i am not
[15:50:00] GreyFoxx: I think those controls are just for brightness/contrast n such
[15:50:00] JohnnyQuest: can i use the fedora 4 core for myth?
[15:50:00] Midkniht: i dont like anything that takes over my screen
[15:51:00] Midkniht: i do have to do some work in the background
[15:51:00] GreyFoxx: ok, so windowed, at that res you still get the xv issues
[15:51:00] Midkniht: well sometimes
[15:51:00] Midkniht: hehe
[15:51:00] GreyFoxx: Sounds like a video driver issue to me. That or lack of video memory on the card causing issues
[15:51:00] Midkniht: only way i get the blue screen, i have never seen it before now
[15:51:00] Midkniht: video memory comes from RAM
[15:52:00] Midkniht: should have plenty
[15:52:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: There is still only a certain amount allocated
[15:52:00] JohnnyQuest: so its an integrated card?
[15:52:00] GreyFoxx: it doesn't have 100% access to your ram :)
[15:52:00] Midkniht: 64Megs is what i have in my XF86Confg
[15:52:00] Midkniht: integrated... yes
[15:53:00] Midkniht: i have a nvidia laying around i could use, but i would prefer not to change any hardware in the computer now that most everything works (except my damn printer)
[15:53:00] GreyFoxx: Well, then you have some choices/compromises top make :)
[15:54:00] GreyFoxx: or see if you can find another version of the driver for that card that might not have that issue
[15:54:00] GreyFoxx: though if it's a hardware limitation that wont help
[15:54:00] Midkniht: ok, how about a workaround
[15:54:00] Midkniht: can myth set my resolution to 1280x1024 for playback only?
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[15:56:00] Midkniht: do i need to have the xv control set in the frontend?
[15:56:00] GreyFoxx: I know that myth (if compiled to support it) does have some sort of xrandr support for flipping video modes, but I don't remember seeing anything like that
[15:56:00] Midkniht: im sure all my setup is wrong
[15:56:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: That is for brightness/contrast and all that I think
[15:57:00] Midkniht: yeah i finally got that to work last night
[15:58:00] ** Midkniht turns xv controls back on **
[15:59:00] Midkniht: ok brightness works again
[15:59:00] Midkniht: no sound on my video
[15:59:00] Midkniht: fucker
[15:59:00] Midkniht: ok
[16:00:00] Midkniht: how can i make the recording input set to line-in at boot?
[16:01:00] JohnnyQuest: im starting to give up on mythtv
[16:01:00] JohnnyQuest: its too hard to get working
[16:01:00] brejc8: What is wrong?
[16:01:00] Midkniht: just install from debian im telling you its simple
[16:01:00] JohnnyQuest: well insatlled knoppmyth
[16:01:00] brejc8: Or fedora.
[16:01:00] JohnnyQuest: im dling debian right now
[16:01:00] JohnnyQuest: and im dling fedora
[16:01:00] GreyFoxx: It's been so long since I used a one of those cards I don't remember. Though I'm sure if you look at the mythtv.org site, specifically with relation to the sound/mixer section :)
[16:01:00] JohnnyQuest: but, i have media center 2005
[16:02:00] JohnnyQuest: im thinking about just usin that
[16:02:00] brejc8: NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[16:02:00] JohnnyQuest: why not?
[16:02:00] Midkniht: dwhich card?\
[16:02:00] JohnnyQuest: other than it doesnt support my remote..
[16:02:00] brejc8: Another soil lost to the dark side
[16:02:00] JohnnyQuest: lol
[16:02:00] JohnnyQuest: they make installs easy for people like me
[16:02:00] GreyFoxx: If you are happy with MC2005 then go for it
[16:02:00] Midkniht: DEBIAN!
[16:02:00] Midkniht: heh
[16:02:00] JohnnyQuest: ive never used mc2005
[16:03:00] Midkniht: which capture card is it?
[16:03:00] JohnnyQuest: anyone here good with knoppmyth?
[16:03:00] JohnnyQuest: pvr-150
[16:03:00] Midkniht: yeah i dont have a clue
[16:03:00] JohnnyQuest: i got it to display yesterday in knoppmyth
[16:03:00] GreyFoxx: Eventually I'll get around to looking at knoppmyth, but so far I haven't seen it
[16:03:00] JohnnyQuest: well it took 5 minutes to install
[16:04:00] Midkniht: only thing that doesnt work with debian is the mythgames and mythgallery
[16:04:00] brejc8: What is the problem anyway?
[16:04:00] JohnnyQuest: and it starts right up to mythtv
[16:04:00] JohnnyQuest: well, i had the card displaying last night
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: I'm sure it all works if configured right
[16:04:00] JohnnyQuest: and then it stopped cahnging channels
[16:04:00] JohnnyQuest: so i reinstalled this morning
[16:04:00] JohnnyQuest: and now it only has sound, no picture
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: there are a lot of debian users and there would be plenty of bitching if those didn't work for everyone :)
[16:04:00] Midkniht: how do you configure them?
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: There are setup menus
[16:05:00] JohnnyQuest: what is there the most support for?
[16:05:00] Midkniht: they dont run out of the box
[16:05:00] Midkniht: setup menus wont do anything
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: of course not, you need to tell mythgallery for instance where your files are
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[16:06:00] Midkniht: no im saying they dont run look:
[16:06:00] Midkniht: Unable to initialize plugin 'mythgallery'.
[16:06:00] Midkniht: Unable to initialize plugin 'mythgame'.
[16:06:00] JohnnyQuest: brejc8, i just want to do a whole new install and start from scratch
[16:06:00] brejc8: JohnnyQuest: I think Fedora and http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php
[16:06:00] JohnnyQuest: any good tutorias/
[16:06:00] Midkniht: - /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythgame.so: undefined symbol: _ZN18ConfigurationGroup4loadEP12QSqlDatabase
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: Ahhh
[16:06:00] JohnnyQuest: the fedora one?
[16:06:00] Midkniht: - /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythgallery.so: undefined symbol: _ZN18ConfigurationGroup4loadEP12QSqlDatabase
[16:07:00] JohnnyQuest: ill try to install that one
[16:07:00] Midkniht: just install debian base, install x and install mythtv
[16:07:00] brejc8: JohnnyQuest: V. Simple
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: Ok, I thought you meeant they didn't "work" as in didn't do what you expected, not that they wouldn't even load :)
[16:07:00] Midkniht: thats what i mean
[16:07:00] Midkniht: i dont get it
[16:07:00] Midkniht: i removed them and reinstalled, and that error is still there
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: Looks like a dependancy issue to me
[16:08:00] GreyFoxx: But do a search of the -users list. I think I've seen that same error on there
[16:08:00] rben: I had to reinstall KnoppMyth and I've got most everything working again. The one problem I have is that if I go to the machine's address 192.168.1.101, I get a page referring to KnoppMyth R5 which has links on it to things like Mythweb. The link to Mythweb doesn't work, since it tries to go to /mythweb/index.html. The index.html file for Mythweb is actually in the /var/www directory. Strangly enough, I can't figure out where the R
[16:08:00] rben: is coming from. Any suggestions as to where to look?
[16:08:00] Midkniht: yeah i searched everywhere, problem is that alot of people get that error and dont care, so it shows up all over the net
[16:09:00] Midkniht: in debugging other parts
[16:09:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: but are you specifically searching the -users list or just general google searches?
[16:09:00] Midkniht: both
[16:09:00] GreyFoxx: Personally I've never seen that error, but then I don't use debian/packages so I've never had to try to fix it
[16:10:00] Midkniht: ill try to check the userlists again
[16:11:00] sphing: Midkniht: how did you install it?
[16:11:00] sphing: apt?
[16:11:00] sphing: or source?
[16:11:00] GreyFoxx: Mid out of curiousity, try running ldd on that libmythgallery.so file and see if it's missing a library or 2
[16:12:00] sphing: rben: you could just make a symlink
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: rben: I think what you typed got cut off , all I see at the end was "Strangly enough, I can't figure out where the R" ... what was the rest ?:)
[16:13:00] Midkniht: whole bunch of undefined reference to
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: paste the output to pastebin ?
[16:13:00] Midkniht: i installed apt-get install mythgames
[16:13:00] Midkniht: pastebin?
[16:13:00] rben: greyfox, it was in the line above
[16:14:00] GreyFoxx: www.pastebin.com
[16:14:00] rben: greyfox: I had to reinstall KnoppMyth and I've got most everything working again. The one problem I have is that if I go to the machine's address 192.168.1.101, I get a page referring to KnoppMyth R5 which has links on it to things like Mythweb. The link to Mythweb doesn't work, since it tries to go to /mythweb/index.html. The index.html file for Mythweb is actually in the /var/www directory. Strangly enough, I can't figure out wh
[16:14:00] rben: document
[16:14:00] GreyFoxx: You are still getting cut off
[16:14:00] sphing: rben: type the last sentence... its cut off for me too
[16:14:00] JonK: q
[16:15:00] rben: Strangely enough, I can't figure out where the R5 document is coming from
[16:15:00] GreyFoxx: ahh, assuming it's apache, look for httpd.conf
[16:15:00] rben: A symlink would fix the problem, I guess
[16:15:00] Midkniht: cant copy it all scrolllog doesnt go back far enough
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[16:15:00] GreyFoxx: that defines where the vaious documents are
[16:15:00] rben: I looked in httpd.conf, guess I missed it.
[16:15:00] JonK: redirect output to a file, post the file
[16:15:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: that much from a simple ldd /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythgallery.so ?
[16:15:00] rben: It would help if I knew what the document was actually called. But I don't know anyway to find that out.
[16:16:00] Midkniht: yes
[16:16:00] GreyFoxx: rben: It might just be a pointer to a directory, not to a file
[16:16:00] rben: good point
[16:16:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: try as jonk sais, redirect to afile and then dump that into pastebin
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[16:17:00] Midkniht: I tried > ld.log and it only prints to stdout so its not grabbing it
[16:18:00] Midkniht: im trying to increase my scrllback buffer
[16:18:00] sphing: Midkniht: type script ld.log
[16:18:00] sphing: then run it
[16:18:00] sphing: and type ctrl + d i think
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[16:20:00] Midkniht: increased scrollback and its posted now
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[16:20:00] Midkniht: http://pastebin.com/298424
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[16:22:00] sphing: Midkniht: I got no idea...
[16:22:00] Midkniht: yeah dont you love it
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[16:24:00] Midkniht: i tried to report it to the debian folks and they just deny there is anythign wrong with Sarge now that its stable
[16:25:00] Midkniht: ok well heres a better one, how do you make the commercials automatically cut out, I know they are flagged but i dont understand why they arent cut
[16:26:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: That's another setup option :)
[16:26:00] rben: well the symlink works great
[16:26:00] rben: so I won't worry about the rest
[16:26:00] Midkniht: ok im in setup
[16:26:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: "ldd" not "ld"
[16:26:00] Midkniht: but there is alot of setup options
[16:26:00] Midkniht: heh
[16:26:00] rben: now I just want to figure out how to get the channel icons and torrentocracy working
[16:26:00] GreyFoxx: they are two different commands :)
[16:26:00] rben: more fun than any mortal deserves
[16:27:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: you can cut commercials?!
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: Ummm, yes you can! :)
[16:27:00] rben: that's one of the great things about mythtv
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: or at least, autoskip them :)
[16:28:00] Midkniht: ok ldd is here http://pastebin.com/298426
[16:28:00] sphing: how shit.. i had no idea...
[16:28:00] rben: I think I saw somewhere that someone was working on something where you could mark the commercials and then transcode to produce a file w/o them
[16:28:00] Midkniht: i want that!
[16:28:00] rben: The autoskip doesn't always work perfectly
[16:29:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: Ok, that looks fine. So it's not something obvious
[16:29:00] Midkniht: i just dont understand all the options
[16:29:00] GreyFoxx: rben: nuvexport will do that.
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[16:29:00] Midkniht: GreyFoxx> yeah i know, it sucks, should work, but dont
[16:29:00] rben: that's the name, couldn't remember it
[16:29:00] GreyFoxx: It will transcode and use the cutlist from myth to clip the commercials
[16:30:00] Midkniht: im not sure about what transcode does
[16:30:00] GreyFoxx: Midkniht: Likely something related to how the packager compiled it.
[16:30:00] GreyFoxx: converts from one format to another
[16:30:00] GreyFoxx: and clips/cuts/resizes etc etc
[16:30:00] rben: is there a way you can manually mark the commercials? Or does it work with the automatic stuff only?
[16:30:00] Midkniht: yeah i need that then
[16:31:00] GreyFoxx: rben: You can manually bring up the cutlist editor
[16:31:00] rben: nifty
[16:31:00] GreyFoxx: and either verify the auto marked stuff, or just plain manually set them
[16:31:00] GreyFoxx: hrm, I think it's lunch time
[16:31:00] Midkniht: ok so how can you find out what all it does without having a remote
[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: There is this little thing called a keyboard. been around for a while now, plus a document called keys.txt which details what keys do what in what context :)
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: reading keys.txt is very helpful to new myth users
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: hell I've been using this stuff for 2 years and still refer to it once in a while :)
[16:33:00] Midkniht: it confuses me because some keys dont work when you try
[16:34:00] ** GreyFoxx goes in search of food **
[16:34:00] brejc8: Do you mean enter on some menus?
[16:34:00] rben: if you have mythweb setup, you can look at the key settings via your browser
[16:34:00] ** Midkniht goes to look **
[16:34:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: heh
[16:34:00] rben: it's under settings
[16:35:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I have a hard copy of it in a binder along with an outdated copy of the documentation =)
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[16:35:00] CyberKnet: Which reminds me that I need to print out a new copy of the documentation some time.
[16:35:00] CyberKnet: Even experienced users can find the docs useful =)
[16:35:00] CyberKnet: Not to suggest that I am an experienced user, though =)
[16:35:00] Midkniht: well thats just handy as hell
[16:35:00] rben: I haven't messed around with mythtv for a couple of years. I'm impressed with how much KnoppmythWiki has grown
[16:36:00] Midkniht: what is knoppmyth? just for knobbix?
[16:36:00] rben: It's a special version of Knoppix just for running Mythtv
[16:36:00] Midkniht: ahhh
[16:36:00] rben: It makes setup very easy if you have a dedicated machine
[16:36:00] Midkniht: ok i like debian
[16:36:00] Midkniht: heh
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[16:37:00] Midkniht: ok i gotta go to work
[16:37:00] rben: We ran for about 2 years with no problems until I tried to upgrade to an alpha version
[16:37:00] Midkniht: will diagnose further later on
[16:37:00] Midkniht: damn
[16:37:00] Midkniht: ok lata
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[16:49:00] Henkie: from the sources --> if (infile.left(7) == "myth://") {VERBOSE(VB_IMPORTANT, QString("Attempted to transcode %1. Mythtranscode is currently unable to transcode remote files.").arg(infile));
[16:49:00] Henkie: will this be possible in the near future?
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[16:54:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: You played with the ati driver?
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[17:00:00] JohnnyQuest: does myth tv give better picture quality than windows?
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[17:05:00] rben: JohnnyQuest: It's not so much a question of picture quality as overall functionality
[17:05:00] rben: It's at least as good
[17:06:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[17:06:00] JohnnyQuest: well i was getting bad quality, so while im waiting for my dls of fedora to finish im tryin windows
[17:06:00] JohnnyQuest: i had knoppmyth
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[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: johnp_: And a big part of picture quality will be related to the drivers and decoders used
[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: oops I meant JohnnyQuest
[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: Nope, forgot all about it :)
[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: too bad I don't have a spare remote here at work. hehe I get more time for that stuff here than home :)
[17:12:00] rben: I love knoppmyth
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[17:12:00] rben: I'm using a really good board, a PVR-350
[17:13:00] rben: I think that has a lot to do with it
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: Yeah, TV out on the 350 supposedly looks pretty good
[17:15:00] JonK: Except for the overscan, mine looks great
[17:15:00] JohnnyQuest: what is the difference between, srpms and the other fedora images?
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: JonK: Are you referring to the overscan of the video or of the menu's ?
[17:16:00] JonK: both
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: Cause it's SUPPOSE to overscan :)
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: All regular TV output is overscanned
[17:16:00] JonK: i knoe, but on this tv, it's overscanned by way too much
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: The difference is that people are use to a computer monitor which shows the entire screen
[17:17:00] JonK: take cnn ticker, im losing bottom row of letters
[17:17:00] JonK: losing much more than just taking cable from wall into the same tv
[17:17:00] GreyFoxx: Half of the bottom row on my moms regular TV gets cut off
[17:18:00] GreyFoxx: But her TV is straight cable
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[17:21:00] JohnnyQuest: what is the difference between, srpms and the other fedora images?
[17:21:00] GreyFoxx: Jonn: srpms are a package of the source, not of the compiled application
[17:21:00] JohnnyQuest: o ok
[17:22:00] JohnnyQuest: so, i wont be able to use them...
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[17:24:00] sskk: I've installed, and had my pvr-150 card working. Now, my computer has been shut down for some 15 hours, and now I can only see noice!!?? this has happen to me before – then I reinstall, and the same pattern is repeated.. Please advise... really need it bad..
[17:27:00] xris: sskk: change the input?
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[17:27:00] sphing: sskk: could you be changing a setting.. then when you reboot you loose it?
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[17:28:00] Kronuz: hello
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[17:28:00] sskk: sphing – no... I tried severel reboots before shutting my machine down this time... everything worked all right
[17:29:00] sphing: so you reboot, and it still works, it stops when working when you actually shutdown?
[17:29:00] sskk: yes...
[17:30:00] sphing: and then you just reinstall the driver and it works?
[17:30:00] sskk: yes
[17:30:00] sphing: thats really weird?
[17:31:00] JonK: kludge: have script reinstall driver each time you boot
[17:31:00] JonK: i had this happen with lirc though---
[17:31:00] JonK: make install made devices that went away on reboot
[17:31:00] sskk: I'm not that much into this hardware thing, but could it be something about a wrong firmware, that is loaded into my TVtuner card?
[17:32:00] sphing: do you load the firmware when you install the driver?
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[17:33:00] sskk: well... I copy the .ROM file from the driver-cd that came with the tv card to the /lib/modules
[17:33:00] JonK: hauppauge?
[17:33:00] sskk: yes
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[17:33:00] sskk: then I rmmod and modprobe the ivtv module, and it works
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[17:33:00] JonK: anything funky showing in dmesg?
[17:34:00] sskk: using some of the latest ivtv drivers
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[17:36:00] reel: has anyone had any trouble with ntpd dying sporadically? my time seems to drift about 2 minutes a week and i need it running but it just keeps dying with no message or reason
[17:37:00] Beirdo: it will give a reason
[17:37:00] Beirdo: check your logs
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[17:38:00] sskk: jonK I'm no linux kernel expert, but the dmesg doesn't look strange
[17:39:00] GreyFoxx: Man, I keep forgetting that Gant is the default theme these days.
[17:40:00] JonK: specifically: any lines that include words like "error" "not found" or 'you're fully borked" etc...
[17:41:00] iggy: openntpd works much better for me than isc ntpd ever dreamed of
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[17:42:00] reel: thanks iggy. if I find that it dies again, I will try that one
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[17:45:00] Beirdo: iggy: bite your tongue
[17:46:00] Beirdo: isc ntpd is WAY better. openntpd is a crude hack that won't give the same accuracy
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[17:46:00] Beirdo: they removed all the useful stuff like drift correction
[17:46:00] Beirdo: Theo the Rat strikes again
[17:47:00] Cardoe: ntp usually only dies randomly because your clock drifts so crazy much that it doesn't know what to do with itself and just craps itself
[17:47:00] Beirdo: and local clocking (127.127.0.1) gone...
[17:47:00] Beirdo: yeah
[17:47:00] Beirdo: step your clock, restart it
[17:47:00] Beirdo: after a few weeks of that, the drift correction should compensate
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[17:47:00] Cardoe: why do you need local clocking?
[17:48:00] Beirdo: if not, mess with tickadj or buy a new motherboard with better clock
[17:48:00] Beirdo: simple
[17:48:00] Beirdo: I sync my entire network
[17:48:00] Cardoe: ok
[17:48:00] Beirdo: if my internet connection is down, I want the network to remain synched
[17:48:00] Beirdo: a very common desire :)
[17:48:00] Cardoe: but how using 127?
[17:48:00] Beirdo: it freeruns
[17:48:00] blue_: Im having all sorts of problems with Mythtv.. When I play Live Tv its very choppy and the audio is off (even when the speakers are directly hooked into the cap card).
[17:48:00] Beirdo: at stratum 12
[17:49:00] Beirdo: so the clients will stay synched to it, even if not synched to the world
[17:50:00] Beirdo: then when my link comes back up, the NTP master for my network resyncs to the world, then the rest of the network still stays synched
[17:50:00] Cardoe: blue_: if you hook speakers to the cap card... it will ALWAYS be off.
[17:50:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: how can other clients connect to 127?
[17:50:00] Beirdo: without the local clock, they will all go unsynched as soon as the internet connection drops
[17:50:00] Beirdo: no
[17:50:00] Beirdo: they connect to my NTP server
[17:51:00] Beirdo: which is synched to itself and over the internet
[17:51:00] Beirdo: and as the local clock is way low stratum, naturally, the internet synching takes precedence
[17:52:00] blue_: Cardoe: Alright, but why the choppyness? Also the audio does not stop when I close the program.
[17:53:00] blue_: Its like in slow motion, stoping every second
[17:53:00] iggy: what kind of computer?
[17:53:00] Johnny_Quest: how do i set up the tv guide in mythtv?
[17:53:00] blue_: Is this a RAM or CPU speed issue or is it something that can be fixed?
[17:54:00] blue_: Its a 1.4 GHz I believe 256 RAM
[17:54:00] iggy: Beirdo: I could care less about that stuff, openntpd works much better for _me_ than isc ntpd
[17:54:00] Johnny_Quest: im using a 1.4 tbird and 700mb ram, mine plays fine
[17:54:00] JonK: johnny do you mean how do you get program guide data?
[17:54:00] Johnny_Quest: ya
[17:54:00] Beirdo: iggy: cool. it is intentionally stripped down to be more sucky though :)
[17:54:00] iggy: blue_: drives have dma enabled?
[17:55:00] JonK: have you run mythtv-setup and set a soure for zap-2-it
[17:55:00] iggy: Beirdo: it's not more sucky, it's got a different target audience
[17:55:00] Johnny_Quest: i couldnt figure that part out jonk
[17:55:00] JonK: well if you want guide data, you're going to have to figure it out
[17:55:00] Johnny_Quest: ok
[17:55:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:56:00] Johnny_Quest: well, i was there, it told me to put in an account
[17:56:00] blue_: iggy: yes
[17:56:00] Johnny_Quest: how do i get an account?
[17:56:00] Beirdo: OK, if you think so, iggy.  :) the algorithms are more sucky :)
[17:56:00] iggy: WORKSFORME
[17:56:00] iggy: now stfu
[17:56:00] rben: Johnny_Quest: you go to zap2it and set one up
[17:56:00] JonK: try the documents at www.mythtv.org
[17:57:00] rben: let me see if I can find the exact address
[17:57:00] Johnny_Quest: i already went there
[17:57:00] Johnny_Quest: from the documents
[17:57:00] Johnny_Quest: and it didnt work
[17:57:00] JonK: specfically chapter 5 part 3 titled, oddly enough: "configuring the zap2it.com data direct service"
[17:57:00] Beirdo: iggy: I know. :) way way better than doing a cron of netdate or something :)
[17:57:00] rben: labs.zap2it.com
[17:58:00] Beirdo: Johnny_Quest: works for everyone else. RTFM again
[17:58:00] iggy: Beirdo: unfortunately, my clock used to go off so far so fast that the cron job wouldn't run
[17:58:00] Beirdo: iggy: wow, now that sucks
[17:58:00] iggy: yeah it does
[17:58:00] Beirdo: I had one mobo that drifted 3h/day
[17:58:00] Beirdo: that was a bitch to compensate for
[17:58:00] Beirdo: I had to tickadj to get it close enough for ntp to cope
[17:58:00] rben: I had some problems when I rebuilt my machine, with data direct, but it was because I put in the wrong password.
[17:59:00] iggy: this boards clock was all kinds of fucked up, the sound would speed up and slow down and other craziness
[17:59:00] Johnny_Quest: lol
[17:59:00] Johnny_Quest: well, i hope i didnt do that
[17:59:00] Beirdo: oooh, nice mobo design :)
[17:59:00] rben: Isn't there some program that will adjust your hardware clock?
[17:59:00] iggy: it wouldn't help
[17:59:00] rben: I think I saw one on some docs about ntp
[17:59:00] iggy: the clock would speed up and slow down too much
[17:59:00] rben: probably on www.tldp.org
[18:00:00] blue_: Choppyness aside, why isnt the sound stopping when I exit?
[18:00:00] rben: huh
[18:00:00] iggy: blue_: because you have speakers hooked up to the tuner
[18:00:00] blue_: Even when I had it in a loop, it did this.
[18:01:00] blue_: ..when I had line unmuted (the only way I could hear anything)
[18:01:00] Beirdo: rben: it's called tickadj
[18:01:00] Beirdo: but if the clock is all over the place, it won't help
[18:01:00] rben: thanks Beirdo
[18:02:00] rben: sounds like time for a new mobo
[18:02:00] Beirdo: essentially, you can tweak how long a system tick advances the linux clock
[18:02:00] Beirdo: so you just make it match (as close as you can) the off-spec clock
[18:02:00] Beirdo: but if the clock is wandering all over, you are screwed
[18:03:00] blue_: I gotta resttart... Stupid soap operas insesently playing.. driving me.. insane
[18:03:00] kormoc: un;ess it's wondering in a patern of a formula you can figure out.
[18:03:00] Beirdo: kormoc: yeah, good luck with that :)
[18:04:00] kernoman: you guys been here all night :)
[18:04:00] kormoc: hey, you never know if someone's nutty enough to do it :P
[18:04:00] rben: anyone have any experience with torrentocracy?
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[18:05:00] Beirdo: rben: not likely
[18:05:00] Beirdo: it's not really supported here
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[18:06:00] Rince: Hiho
[18:07:00] Beirdo: hey look, it's Kermit the Frog!
[18:07:00] Rince: question: what is the best way to put a recorded program onto a dvd?
[18:07:00] kernoman: tvout bain of my life it is
[18:07:00] rben: I'm trying to decide if it's worth the effort to install
[18:07:00] Rince: (pvr350-nuv)
[18:07:00] Beirdo: Rince: it's in the docs
[18:07:00] Beirdo: and that's not nuv :)
[18:07:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:08:00] Beirdo: there's actually a remux script in the docs on www.mythtv.org (last I looked) that will do that for you
[18:08:00] JonK: JohnnyQ youy get your zap2it account
[18:08:00] Rince: well – I tried that
[18:08:00] rben: I wish someone would make an easier setup screen for the weather stuff
[18:09:00] Beirdo: rben: get working on it then
[18:09:00] Rince: Beirdo: yes. NBut that one isn't working
[18:09:00] rben: I might, if I can find time
[18:09:00] JonK: i'd like to add mulitple locations --
[18:09:00] Rince: STAT: Processing dvdmpg...
[18:09:00] Rince: Could not read
[18:09:00] Rince: Could not read
[18:09:00] Rince: **ERROR: [mplex] Unable to read from vid0.
[18:09:00] rben: I'm working on a scifi novel
[18:09:00] Beirdo: hmm
[18:09:00] rben: been eating all my time
[18:09:00] Beirdo: you sure you didn't transcode them after recording, Rince?
[18:10:00] Rince: Beirdo: hmm. Lemme Check
[18:11:00] Johnny_Quest: the zap2it account didnt work, but, im reinstalling mythtv as sson as my dl of fedora finishes
[18:11:00] Rince: the automatic transcode already went through
[18:11:00] Beirdo: if they are transcoded to MPEG4, you will need to use nuvexport to convert em back to MPEG2
[18:11:00] Rince: ah
[18:11:00] JonK: wait, you mean you went to the zap2it site, but in the code and you didn;'t get an account?
[18:11:00] Rince: so, nuvexport to DVD and then?
[18:11:00] JonK: err put in thte code
[18:11:00] Johnny_Quest: i have an account, its just not working
[18:11:00] Beirdo: if you shut off the automatic transcode and leave the files as MPEG2, that script should work
[18:11:00] rben: I'm really surprised that the zap2it account didn't work. After you set up the account, you put the info in via mythsetup and then ran mythfilldatabase?
[18:12:00] Johnny_Quest: and alot of stuff isnt working, i have knoppmyth, so im gonna install fedora
[18:12:00] Johnny_Quest: and then install mythtv
[18:12:00] Beirdo: then you do the dvdauthor stuff, or use some other DVD authoring package, basically
[18:12:00] Rince: Beirdo: but automatic transcode gives me more space ;)
[18:12:00] JonK: johnnyQ lets be very specific
[18:12:00] JonK: did you visit the zap2it webpage
[18:12:00] Beirdo: so does another disk :)
[18:12:00] Johnny_Quest: ya
[18:12:00] JonK: did you sign up for an account
[18:12:00] Johnny_Quest: i have an acocunt
[18:12:00] JonK: ok...
[18:12:00] Beirdo: did you go to *labs.zap2it.com*
[18:12:00] JonK: what did you do to put your account infomration into mythtv
[18:12:00] Beirdo: or *www.zap2it.com*
[18:12:00] Rince: damned
[18:12:00] Johnny_Quest: in the set up
[18:13:00] Johnny_Quest: i put it in
[18:13:00] Johnny_Quest: for the video source i think..
[18:13:00] JonK: what setup?
[18:13:00] JonK: ok
[18:13:00] JonK: good
[18:13:00] JonK: did you run the mythfilldatabase program
[18:13:00] Johnny_Quest: no...
[18:13:00] Johnny_Quest: i dont even know how to do that
[18:13:00] Beirdo: there ya go
[18:13:00] Beirdo: mythfilldatabase
[18:13:00] Beirdo: not too hard :)
[18:13:00] JonK: do you know how to run ANY program from teh command line?
[18:13:00] rben: thats it
[18:14:00] Johnny_Quest: no
[18:14:00] JonK: yes you do
[18:14:00] Johnny_Quest: i do?
[18:14:00] JonK: remember typing in "cd" to change a directory
[18:14:00] Johnny_Quest: ya
[18:14:00] JonK: you were running a program called cd
[18:14:00] Johnny_Quest: ok
[18:14:00] Johnny_Quest: so i just type in mythfilldatabase?
[18:14:00] JonK: remember running apt-get ....?
[18:14:00] Johnny_Quest: ya
[18:14:00] JonK: apt-get is a program
[18:14:00] Johnny_Quest: thats another program?
[18:14:00] Johnny_Quest: ok
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[18:14:00] Shinnokxz: This is a very easy question.
[18:14:00] JonK: so go run mythfilldatabse
[18:15:00] Shinnokxz: In order for me to build my own PVR, do I NEED a cable box?
[18:15:00] Johnny_Quest: no
[18:15:00] Shinnokxz: Or can it work with a straight coaxial from the wall?
[18:15:00] Johnny_Quest: it can
[18:15:00] Shinnokxz: Thanks :D
[18:15:00] JonK: you'll be getting analog cable only, not digital channels
[18:15:00] Shinnokxz: that's alright.
[18:15:00] JonK: no problem them
[18:16:00] Johnny_Quest: im gonna try a reinstall of knoppmyth, takes 5–10 minutes
[18:16:00] JonK: did you run mythfilldatabse first
[18:16:00] Johnny_Quest: ya, but the internet connect is messed up
[18:16:00] Shinnokxz: Also, what is the easy way to find out the broadcast frequency?
[18:16:00] Johnny_Quest: doesnt seem to be connecting
[18:17:00] Shinnokxz: I use Charter cable
[18:17:00] JonK: type ping yahoo.com
[18:17:00] JonK: (ping is a program btw)
[18:17:00] kormoc: Shinnokxz, you download channel listings which has the frequencys
[18:17:00] kormoc: Shinnokxz, the only time you need a cable box is with digital or hd cable
[18:17:00] Johnny_Quest: doesnt work
[18:17:00] Johnny_Quest: i get 100% loss
[18:18:00] kormoc: that's nasty
[18:18:00] Shinnokxz: Ok, perhaps my question wasn't clear then.. let me rephrase.. Hmmm
[18:18:00] JonK: is the network cable plugged in?
[18:18:00] Johnny_Quest: ya
[18:18:00] Johnny_Quest: the light on the back is on for the network card
[18:18:00] Shinnokxz: My channel frequency table.
[18:19:00] Shinnokxz: What is the easiest way to find that out?
[18:19:00] JonK: mythtweb
[18:19:00] kormoc: Shinnokxz, the easiest way is to get the channel listing grabber working and let it do it's thing.
[18:20:00] Rince: damned...
[18:20:00] Rince: nuvexport doesn't like me
[18:21:00] JonK: I don't like you either
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[18:22:00] JonK: (random star-wars quotes, never hurt)
[18:22:00] kernoman: do the nvidia drivers support interlace?
[18:22:00] Shinnokxz: How many choices are there in the broadcast frequency table? maybe I'll just try them all until one works :\
[18:23:00] kormoc: Shinnokxz, a few hundred maybe?
[18:23:00] Shinnokxz: Buhr...?? haha
[18:23:00] kormoc: Shinnokxz, is there some reason you don't want to let it do it itself?
[18:24:00] Kronuz: hey, I'm using mplayer, but once I've started a video, I can't exit until it ends... how do you exit from mplayer?
[18:24:00] Shinnokxz: I just watched a short video on how to do it.
[18:24:00] Shinnokxz: And according to it, they said that you need to know it before anything works.
[18:24:00] JonK: Shinnokxz, broadcast frequencies are standarized ---cable broadcasts have a passbad with a lower edge at 50 or 54 MHz and a uperr eduge ranging from 3000–860 MHZ (or greater) within that passpand the NTSC analog television singlas in in 6 MHZ channels should be present ,, that detail aside, what are you trying to do
[18:24:00] kormoc: a video on mythtv?
[18:25:00] Shinnokxz: They didn't say anything about having it automatically configure.
[18:25:00] Shinnokxz: Yeah
[18:25:00] Shinnokxz: It was the recent systm video
[18:25:00] kormoc: where'd you get that?
[18:25:00] Shinnokxz: http://systm.org/
[18:26:00] Shinnokxz: They made it seem pretty easy, so that's why I'm giving it a shot. I already pretty much have a computer made for it.
[18:26:00] kormoc: odd, well, I just say, I have comcast cable and i'm in zipcode 98188 and it downloads the cable lineup and the frequency table.
[18:26:00] Shinnokxz: Just need an encoder card.
[18:26:00] Shinnokxz: Ah ok.
[18:26:00] Shinnokxz: I'll worry about that when I get there :D
[18:26:00] kormoc: I assmue you're in north america?
[18:26:00] Shinnokxz: Yeah
[18:26:00] kormoc: yeah, you can likly do the same thing, no screwing with the freq tables.
[18:26:00] Shinnokxz: sounds good.
[18:26:00] Shinnokxz: thanks for the help all.
[18:27:00] Shinnokxz: perhaps I'll idle in here.
[18:27:00] Chutt: kormoc, it doesn't do the frequency table, but the default works for NA people.
[18:28:00] Shinnokxz: Would there be any reason for me to add a CD-ROM of some sort to this machine?
[18:28:00] kormoc: Chutt, I thought that the channel lineup was the freqency table, my mistake
[18:28:00] rben: a dvd can be handy
[18:28:00] hadees: hehe hey anyone check out systm.org?
[18:29:00] Shinnokxz: Does MythTV have support to play DVDs?
[18:29:00] hadees: they have a mythtv how to
[18:29:00] Shinnokxz: Yes.
[18:29:00] hadees: as an episode
[18:29:00] Shinnokxz: I just watched it
[18:29:00] rben: interesting
[18:29:00] Chutt: how bad is it?
[18:29:00] rben: I've already built three mythboxen
[18:29:00] Shinnokxz: IT's pretty good.
[18:29:00] Shinnokxz: Go watch it.
[18:30:00] Chutt: i was more asking for someone who actually knows how to set it up already
[18:30:00] CyberKnet: Chutt: heh =)
[18:31:00] GreyFoxx: bah, it's a torrent. I was hoping to download it directly
[18:31:00] hadees: I am getting it now but i can't watch it till after work
[18:32:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[18:32:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I was also. But I have the torrent downloading now.
[18:32:00] GreyFoxx: me too, just another hoop to jump through
[18:33:00] CyberKnet: still trying to jump through it.
[18:33:00] CyberKnet: aha. 2K/s. lovely.
[18:33:00] CyberKnet: it'll ramp up though =)
[18:33:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[18:33:00] GreyFoxx: I'm around 55k or so, I'll watch it when I go home :)
[18:34:00] CyberKnet: s/K/kB/
[18:34:00] GreyFoxx: sweet, and ever increasing
[18:34:00] GreyFoxx: bytes
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[18:34:00] CyberKnet: behind a firewall here, so it isn't sharing back. I wonder if that is what is limiting it so much.
[18:34:00] CyberKnet: did you download large format, or small format?
[18:35:00] GreyFoxx: large xvid
[18:35:00] CyberKnet: I had been trying small format.
[18:35:00] GreyFoxx: | status: finishing in 0:31:00 (10.0%) |
[18:35:00] GreyFoxx: | speed: 208.6 KB/s down – 0 B/s up
[18:35:00] GreyFoxx: yumm
[18:35:00] CyberKnet: nice =)
[18:35:00] GreyFoxx: oh well, back to work
[18:36:00] rben: what does DVB stand for?
[18:36:00] CyberKnet: have fun.
[18:36:00] Beirdo: rben: it stands for use google
[18:36:00] rben: doh
[18:36:00] JonK: for example: google "define:DVB"
[18:36:00] rben: got it
[18:36:00] JonK: digital video broadcast
[18:37:00] Kronuz: hmmm interesting... it seems that when I run mplayer, it has no focus from the keyboard
[18:37:00] rben: Going to be interesting when the switchover happens. Isn't it scheduled for Jan 1?
[18:37:00] JonK: switchover?
[18:37:00] Kronuz: (that's why I can't exit from it)
[18:37:00] rben: FCC mandates that all broadcasters switch to digital only by Jan 1
[18:37:00] Beirdo: Kronuz: that's a window manager issue
[18:37:00] Beirdo: most likely a lack of window manager
[18:37:00] rben: So people with analog only TV's won't get a signal
[18:37:00] JonK: they won't be switiching to dvb
[18:38:00] JonK: they will switign to ATSC
[18:38:00] Kronuz: Beirdo: that's true, I have no window manager :)
[18:38:00] Beirdo: there's your problem
[18:38:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: Which is why you are seeing that problem
[18:38:00] Kronuz: is there a way around (without using a window manager)
[18:38:00] GreyFoxx: nope
[18:38:00] Kronuz: lika having scripted the focus change
[18:38:00] GreyFoxx: just use a small light window manager
[18:39:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: what's a good one
[18:39:00] GreyFoxx: It's not like you need a pig like KDE
[18:39:00] JonK: twm?
[18:39:00] GreyFoxx: icewm, ratpoison, blackice
[18:39:00] GreyFoxx: there are several
[18:39:00] Kronuz: I was trying twm, but you can't make it not to refocus when moving the mouse
[18:39:00] Kronuz: (that's why I didn't like it)
[18:40:00] rben: I think there is even an evilwm
[18:40:00] JohnnyQuest: now, when i go to watch tv, i get cannot connect to masterbackend server
[18:40:00] rben: which is supposed to be very lightweight
[18:40:00] Kronuz: also, the audio/video is always out of sync ...
[18:40:00] rben: JohnnyQuest: is everything on the same machine?
[18:40:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[18:40:00] GreyFoxx: JohnnyST: I assume you actually have mythbackend running ?
[18:40:00] Kronuz: (lif seconds)
[18:40:00] Kronuz: like*
[18:40:00] JonK: dont assume
[18:40:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont know, what mythbackend is
[18:40:00] JonK: lsee
[18:40:00] JohnnyQuest: no comma..
[18:41:00] JohnnyQuest: what is mythbackend?
[18:41:00] JonK: do you know how to get to a prompt
[18:41:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[18:41:00] rben: mythbackend is the program that actually does the recording and manages the mythtv system
[18:41:00] GreyFoxx: mythbackend is the process that actually handles the capture cards/recording/scheduling
[18:41:00] JonK: get to one
[18:41:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[18:41:00] JohnnyQuest: there
[18:41:00] rben: the frontend is what you see and what plays back the video
[18:41:00] GreyFoxx: mythfrontend is the gui interface for playback
[18:41:00] JonK: type "ps aux | grep myth"
[18:41:00] JohnnyQuest: k
[18:42:00] JonK: does mythbackend show?
[18:42:00] JohnnyQuest: it gave me a list of stuff...no..i dont see that in there
[18:42:00] JonK: then run mythbackend
[18:42:00] JonK: type mythbackend &
[18:42:00] pmowry: Anyone using mythmovietime? I'm an idiot this morning and can't figure out what username pasword it is asking for in the setup.
[18:42:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[18:43:00] JohnnyQuest: oo
[18:43:00] JohnnyQuest: working
[18:43:00] JohnnyQuest: ill hvae another problem in a few
[18:43:00] JohnnyQuest: thank yoiu
[18:44:00] JonK: johnnyquest — i would strongly strongly recommend you head to a barnes and noble and buy a basic book about linux.
[18:44:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[18:45:00] pmowry: JohnnyQuest: There is a script in the contrib directory as well you can use to start mythbackend automatically. I believe the docs desribe how to set it up.
[18:45:00] pmowry: automatically at bootup that is.
[18:45:00] rben: there's also lots of documentation about Linux at www.tldp.org
[18:45:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: whitch one would you suggest? (the lightest window manager)
[18:46:00] hadees: Kronuz, i like fluxbox
[18:46:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[18:46:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: I use icewm, but there are plenty to choose from :)
[18:47:00] Beirdo: heh. I use ratpoison
[18:47:00] pmowry: Kronuz: ratpoison fixed many of my issues with tv-out on a PVR-350. I think I'm using icewm now.
[18:47:00] Beirdo: but just find a lightweight one, any will do
[18:47:00] JonK: pmowry fixed what kinds of problems?
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[18:47:00] Kronuz: if only twm didn't foxus on mouse movemente...
[18:48:00] GreyFoxx: Well, I replaced QT and "so far" no more backend segfaults. but I'm sure when I'm not actually trying to make it fail it will
[18:48:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz that might very well be configurable
[18:48:00] rben: JohnnyQuest: try this http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html, it's aguide to Linux, an Introduction
[18:48:00] pmowry: JonK: It's been a while, but serveral focus problems and X crashes went away.
[18:48:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: nopy, at least I couldn't find the options... yesterday I tried for hours
[18:49:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: I tried configuring lots of things, but nothing to avoud focus during mouse hover
[18:49:00] rben: JohnnyQuest: You can also order the book from Amazon, if you want, but sometimes and online guide is handier.
[18:49:00] hasse: Kronuz: The normal case is having to work to *get* focus-follows-mouse...
[18:50:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: I know it can be configured. I've done it
[18:50:00] GreyFoxx: granted it was years ago
[18:50:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: you have?
[18:50:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: I couldn't find how, I looked all over google and the irc channels
[18:50:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: some even suggested that wasn't possible with twm
[18:51:00] GreyFoxx: It can, it's just amatter of finding the right option
[18:52:00] rjune: is there a way to configure 'hotkeys'? aka I hit F1 and it goes to mythmusic, or I hit F2 and it goes to mythvideo etc?
[18:52:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: hmm... you don't remember how, right? 'cause I spent hours yesterday with no luck :(
[18:53:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: please, try remembering :)
[18:53:00] GreyFoxx: It's been 6 or so years since I subjected myself to using twm
[18:53:00] JohnnyQuest: is there anything to do about a high pitched ringing coming from the sound on your tv tuner?
[18:53:00] rjune: Kronuz: I just use kwin
[18:53:00] rjune: that works well. as does icewm
[18:54:00] rjune: aka, why waste time with twm when other stuff does the job better.
[18:54:00] Kronuz: yeah, well... I guess I'll have to try one of those
[18:55:00] Kronuz: what about the audio/video being always out of sync?
[18:55:00] Kronuz: my mplayer didn't work using the -vo xv option, I wonder if that's the problem
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[18:58:00] Kronuz: hey, what xine frontend whould I use so it works with mythtv?
[18:58:00] Kronuz: should*
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[19:00:00] GreyFoxx: You don't need one, Myth is the frontend in that case
[19:00:00] Kronuz: but xine are only libraries
[19:00:00] JohnnyQuest: the command to dl something in the consol is apt-get www.address.com
[19:00:00] JohnnyQuest: right?
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[19:01:00] kormoc: JohnnyQuest, wget www.address.com is more standard
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[19:01:00] Kronuz: how do I configure the command for xine in mythtv?
[19:01:00] JohnnyQuest: o ok
[19:01:00] JohnnyQuest: thanx
[19:01:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: I keep forgetting that xineui is not the default
[19:01:00] Kronuz: xineui then :)
[19:01:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz by looking through the mythdvd menu
[19:02:00] GreyFoxx: the setup section that is
[19:02:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: I know where to set it, but what's the command I should use?
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[19:02:00] Kronuz: (for it to work okay)
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[19:03:00] JohnnyQuest: and how do i untar a file?
[19:03:00] JonK: this is why you need the basic linux book
[19:03:00] JohnnyQuest: ya i know
[19:03:00] JonK: for starters, start learning with man
[19:03:00] JonK: type man tar
[19:03:00] JohnnyQuest: im looking through the guide
[19:04:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: find what works for you from a commandline and use that
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[19:04:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: okay, I'll try :)
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[19:18:00] Kronuz: hadees: what I liked about fluxbox is that it has virtually no dependencies :)
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[19:21:00] hadees: Kronuz, yeah thats one good thing
[19:21:00] Kronuz: :)
[19:21:00] Kronuz: icewm even needed GTK+
[19:21:00] hadees: really?
[19:21:00] Kronuz: yep
[19:22:00] hadees: you don't want GTK on a mythtv box
[19:22:00] hadees: or rather you sohuldn't
[19:22:00] hadees: shouldn't
[19:22:00] hadees: since mythtv uses qt just making things harder
[19:22:00] GreyFoxx: That's ridiculous. Just having gtk on the box wont make a lick of difference
[19:22:00] Kronuz: actually, icewm requires Imlib... but Imlib needs GTK+
[19:23:00] hadees: GreyFoxx, well mabey but for my mythtv box i like to keep things as simple as i possibly can
[19:24:00] hadees: and trim
[19:24:00] GreyFoxx: pffft :)
[19:24:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: it might really not make much difference, but why bother installing it?
[19:24:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: I was referring to the "you dont want it" aspect
[19:25:00] hadees: hey i changed that to shouldn't
[19:25:00] GreyFoxx: lag, I had already replied :)
[19:25:00] hadees: anyone watch the systm thing yet? is it good? their forums say its pretty good
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[19:26:00] Kronuz: hadees: so, what's your init config for fluxbox so it works perfectly with mythtv?
[19:26:00] hadees: Kronuz, you don't need one, it should work find
[19:26:00] hadees: although you might want to have mythtv start up when fluxbox loads
[19:27:00] hadees: rather mythfrontend
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[19:27:00] Kronuz: hadees: oh... like for instance the "Black background"
[19:27:00] Kronuz: hadees: and the "no borders" "no title" on windows
[19:27:00] hadees: Kronuz, huh?
[19:27:00] hadees: Kronuz, you don't need that
[19:27:00] Kronuz: I'm using pvr350
[19:27:00] hadees: mythtv goes full screen
[19:28:00] Kronuz: and if I don't set those, the screen shows them a bit
[19:28:00] hadees: hmm i don't know i don't use a pvr350
[19:28:00] JonK: line across the top and bottom?
[19:28:00] Kronuz: yep and on the sides
[19:28:00] hadees: mabey overscan?
[19:28:00] JonK: i get that too, had not yet tried to tackle
[19:28:00] Kronuz: (even after tweaking with the anti-overscan options)
[19:28:00] Kronuz: okay, I'll have to read the manual :P
[19:29:00] hadees: no clue then, i have a passing knowledge of the pvr350
[19:29:00] hadees: i use nvidia tv-out
[19:29:00] Kronuz: okay, thanks anyway (for the fluxbox tip :P)
[19:30:00] Kronuz: hadees: you start mythfrontend from .xinitrc or some fluxbox config file?
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[19:31:00] hadees: Kronuz, i use .xinitrc but i think you can also start it from fluxbox if you use fluxspace.sourceforge.net/
[19:32:00] hadees: i don't know if there would be any reason that would be better though
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[19:39:00] Johnny_Quest: i cant figure out how unpack a file
[19:39:00] kormoc: depends on the file type
[19:39:00] hadees: ...
[19:40:00] Johnny_Quest: tar.gz
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[19:40:00] kormoc: tar -zxf file.tar.gz
[19:40:00] hadees: Johnny_Quest, if you can't figure out to unpack a tar.gz then you really are not ready to run a mythtv system
[19:40:00] Johnny_Quest: i know that
[19:40:00] Johnny_Quest: doesnt mean i cant learn stuff
[19:40:00] kormoc: if you know that, why'd you have to ask?
[19:40:00] Beirdo: man tar
[19:40:00] Beirdo: go learn
[19:40:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:40:00] Johnny_Quest: i was talking to hadees
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[19:42:00] rtsai: Johnny_Quest: this is a myth user support channel, not a general linux channel. There are probably better (and friendlier) channels for that.
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[19:42:00] Johnny_Quest: well im using mythtv
[19:42:00] rtsai: you're not asking myth-specific questions
[19:42:00] kormoc: mythtv supports tar.gzs? will the wonder ever end?
[19:43:00] Johnny_Quest: i was askng smyth specific questions earlier
[19:43:00] Johnny_Quest: im working on trying to install drivers
[19:44:00] hadees: Johnny_Quest, yeah but that wasn't, listen we aren't trying to be mean, if you want basic linux help go to #linux
[19:44:00] hadees: or a channel for the distro you are using
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: Well, that video isn't too bad. Good for a general info type thing I would expect to see on most PC shows
[19:45:00] hadees: GreyFoxx, what distro do they say to use?
[19:45:00] hadees: Knoppmyth?
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: They are demonstrating with Knoppmyth
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: They say you have lots of options, and mention debian , but they chose Knoppmyth for this demonstration
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[19:47:00] mortal5: for quick and dirty testing, how do i use mplayer with ivtv? I can cat /dev/video0 to the hd and use mplayer on the file, but this uses space really fast
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: mplayer /dev/vide0
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: mplayer /dev/video
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[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: you can tall mplayer to read right from the device
[19:48:00] GreyFoxx: or mplayer -cache 8192 /dev/video0 to avoid any stutter at the start
[19:48:00] Beirdo: mplayer /dev/v1d30 :)
[19:48:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:48:00] mortal5: GreyFoxx, it keeps saying /dev/rtc no such device
[19:48:00] mortal5: meh
[19:48:00] GreyFoxx: mplayer should still mplay it
[19:48:00] mortal5: you would think
[19:49:00] mortal5: i have a /dev/rtc and it's perms are 777 ...wierd
[19:50:00] mortal5: bah
[19:50:00] ananke: mortal5 : next time compile 'enhanced real time clock support' in your kernel
[19:50:00] mortal5: ananke, wow you hang out here too? Your all over the place
[19:50:00] ananke: mortal5 :)
[19:51:00] kormoc: mortal5, also echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq
[19:51:00] ananke: mortal5 : anyway, that kernel option will give you /dev/rtc [if you use udev or something, it will be automatically created]
[19:51:00] ananke: yeah. if you don't remember the command kormoc just told you, mplayer will show
[19:52:00] mortal5: k
[19:53:00] mortal5: I just wanted to try something simpler than mythtv until i learn all those commands
[19:53:00] mortal5: but unfortunately my pvr 250 puts out mpg format
[19:53:00] kormoc: unfortunately?
[19:54:00] Beirdo: what's unfortunate about that?
[19:54:00] mortal5: well, not really unfortunately
[19:54:00] kormoc: well if you want
[19:54:00] kormoc: mail it to me and I'll mail you my bttv card
[19:54:00] kormoc: and then it won't output mpeg2 :P
[19:54:00] mortal5: lol
[19:54:00] mortal5: that's ok
[19:54:00] mortal5: I'll 'live' with it :^)
[19:54:00] ananke: that's the entire point of having that pvr card
[19:55:00] mortal5: yeah, it's just that mythtv is the only thing i've seen work with it, and to be honest, mythtv is complicated just to watch tv
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[19:55:00] mortal5: but I'm learning
[19:56:00] Johnny_Quest: i finally have it so i can watch tv
[19:56:00] Johnny_Quest: but i cant get the buzz in my audio to go away
[19:56:00] ananke: xawtv, mplayer, etc – all of those can let you view the tv
[19:56:00] mortal5: xawtv doesn't accept mpg output last i checked
[19:56:00] mortal5: could be wrong
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[19:57:00] mortal5: tvtime 'supposedly' supports ivtv, but doesn't
[20:06:00] CyberKnet: mortal5: You're just wanting to watch tv, and not actually record it then?
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[20:23:00] gctaylor: Q. I'm still researching mythtv. After it's set up and working, does it still use a monitor or can it work off of TV for regular usage?
[20:23:00] hasse: If you have TV out that's enough.
[20:25:00] gctaylor: So how do "program" it at that point?
[20:25:00] hasse: With a remote.
[20:25:00] hasse: Just like any other VCR.
[20:26:00] GreyFoxx: Or through mythweb if you want
[20:26:00] CyberKnet: or with a keyboard
[20:26:00] gctaylor: I don't watch TV much, doing this for my family. I don't even know what my remote can do.
[20:26:00] CyberKnet: or through phpmyadmin
[20:26:00] rjune: CyberKnet: or with mysql
[20:26:00] CyberKnet: rjune: or with netcat
[20:27:00] gctaylor: I don't mind leaving a keyboard attached. I just didn't want to leave a monitor attached.
[20:27:00] GreyFoxx: A monitor is not required
[20:27:00] CyberKnet: gctaylor: I use an infra red keyboard.
[20:27:00] GreyFoxx: as long as your videocard supports and is configured for TVout
[20:27:00] rjune: CyberKnet: or with a bunch of ones and zeros
[20:28:00] CyberKnet: rjune: or with a bunch of electrons
[20:29:00] CyberKnet: or a gauss gun. but the success rate is very low =)
[20:29:00] gctaylor: nobody mentioned a mouse. :)
[20:29:00] ** GeckoFiend forces children from third world countries to program his myth box and change the channel **
[20:29:00] GeckoFiend: gctaylor that's because mice don't work with myth
[20:30:00] hasse: Everyone's very helpful tonight. ;-)
[20:30:00] CyberKnet: hasse: we're always helpful.
[20:30:00] rjune: hasse: tonight? you must be one of them furreners
[20:30:00] CyberKnet: plus I have cheetos. that always helps my mood
[20:30:00] hasse: Yep.
[20:30:00] hasse: Bork bork bork
[20:30:00] rjune: CyberKnet: bet they turn your penis orange too
[20:31:00] CyberKnet: rjune: ???
[20:31:00] gctaylor: ok thanks.
[20:32:00] rjune: old joke. guy goes into the doctor, "Doc, you gotta help me, my penis is turning orange!!!". Dr. asks the guy what he's been doing, the guy responds with "Eating cheetos and watching porn"
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[20:39:00] CyberKnet: rjune: heh
[20:41:00] rjune: CyberKnet: it's a bad joke.
[20:41:00] CyberKnet: rjune: yes, it is.
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[20:42:00] CyberKnet: rjune: A man walks into a bar with an aligator on a leash, and asks the bartender "Do you serve lawyers here?". The bartender looks nervously at the alligator before replying "Yes sir, of course!". The man looks at his gator, then replies "Good. I'll have a beer and pretzels, and take a laywer to go for my gator."
[20:45:00] rjune: nice
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[20:46:00] CyberKnet: rjune: a bad joke, in exchange for your bad joke =)
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[20:53:00] rjune: CyberKnet: you win, yours is worse
[20:54:00] Beirdo: lawyer jokes are always good
[20:54:00] kormoc: wanna hear the worst joke in the world?
[20:54:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: of course we do.
[20:55:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[20:55:00] kormoc: isn't that aweful?
[20:55:00] CyberKnet: that's one bad joke =)
[20:55:00] rjune: my dog has no nose, how does he smell?
[20:55:00] CyberKnet: You must read slashdot.
[20:55:00] CyberKnet: rjune: Why when go into a music store do I have to pay twelve dollars for fifty cent?
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[20:56:00] rjune: hahaha
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[21:01:00] Beirdo: what's the difference between a dead lawyer on the highway and a dead skunk on the highway?
[21:01:00] GotD0t: dead skunk smells better?
[21:01:00] Beirdo: there are skidmarks in front of the skunk
[21:01:00] GotD0t: haha
[21:01:00] GotD0t: good one
[21:02:00] GotD0t: even though both my parents are lawyers
[21:02:00] GotD0t: but its ok
[21:02:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:02:00] GotD0t: they're the lawyers only the government hates...
[21:02:00] Beirdo: you know to love the hate..
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[21:02:00] GotD0t: normal people dont hate the types they are
[21:02:00] Beirdo: or one my dad told me...
[21:02:00] Beirdo: What's the difference between a pit bull terrier and a female lawyer?
[21:03:00] GotD0t: no clue
[21:03:00] Beirdo: Lipstick
[21:03:00] JonK: are you meaning to bash women, or lawyers?
[21:03:00] Beirdo: lawyers
[21:03:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:03:00] JonK: sads
[21:03:00] rtsai: i thought lawyer-bashing was an American thing.
[21:03:00] GotD0t: why dont pit bull terriers have lipstick?
[21:03:00] Beirdo: heh :)
[21:03:00] JonK: that makes me sad
[21:03:00] kormoc: it's a north american thing
[21:03:00] hasse: We in the civilized world don't have as many lawyers, so we don't have as much use for lawyer jokes.
[21:03:00] Beirdo: lawyer-bashing is anywhere there are lawyers
[21:04:00] Beirdo: my dad told me that one after his divorce... my mom's lawyer was particularly pit-bull-like
[21:05:00] Beirdo: they are a necessary evil in our society, unfortunately
[21:06:00] Beirdo: more-so in the USA
[21:06:00] Beirdo: and not all lawyers are bad, of course
[21:06:00] Beirdo: but it is fun to bash em
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[21:08:00] hadees: the problem isn't lawyers so much as it is the laws
[21:08:00] Beirdo: it's both much of the time
[21:08:00] Beirdo: but yeah
[21:08:00] hasse: Anyone here using DVB, by any chance?
[21:09:00] hadees: one thing is if you limited how big a % a laywer can take from a settlement they wouldn't bring forth crazy lawsuits
[21:09:00] Beirdo: maybe
[21:09:00] Beirdo: or maybe just more of them
[21:09:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:10:00] CyberKnet: =)
[21:10:00] CyberKnet: ooh, more of them would suck.
[21:10:00] JonK: topic?
[21:11:00] CyberKnet: I say that in order for a person to become a laywer, they should have their genitals cut off. You have to know then that only REALLY dedicated people would sign up.
[21:11:00] brejc8: hasse: yes. What is your issue?
[21:11:00] hasse: brejc8: I'm trying to get it to work ;)
[21:11:00] CyberKnet: plus as an added bonus, their genes are removed from the gene pool, so they're not gonna have any kids who want to be laywers if they haven't already =P"
[21:11:00] brejc8: hasse: What is the point your at?
[21:11:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: you are just being nasty
[21:11:00] hasse: I think the kernel is detecting my card OK (but I'm unsure about how to test that), but Myth says it can't find any cards when I try to add a DVB source.
[21:12:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: I'm particularly good at it.
[21:12:00] brejc8: hasse: Did you tryt the dvb tools?
[21:12:00] hasse: No. Where do I find them?
[21:13:00] brejc8: hasse: you can use them to tune in a frequency or scan for channels
[21:13:00] hasse: I'm currently scouring the net for instructions for this particular card for Linux and not yet finding anything.
[21:13:00] hasse: AVermedia AverTV DVB-T 771
[21:13:00] hasse: I've seen a reference to someone using it with Myth, so at least it should work.
[21:13:00] brejc8: hasse: There all the same.
[21:15:00] hasse: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dvbtools/, is that the ones I want?
[21:15:00] brejc8: yeah some of them
[21:15:00] brejc8: http://www.linuxtv.org/download/dvb/
[21:16:00] brejc8: look at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[21:16:00] Beirdo: We'll come back to lawyer-bashing some other decade, I'm sure
[21:17:00] Beirdo: any thin-skinned lawyers around? :)
[21:17:00] hasse: I was at that wiki already, but it doesn't have any entries for this card specifically. I haven't yet tried to find more generic installation help.
[21:17:00] brejc8: I love lawyer bashing. And you guys did it before I got here. :(
[21:17:00] brejc8: hasse: What distro you running?
[21:18:00] hasse: The DVB tools even seem to be preinstalled. Goody.
[21:18:00] hasse: KnoppMyth
[21:18:00] brejc8: do you know if dvb was installed as a driver? # "dmesg | grep DVB"
[21:19:00] Beirdo: heh, no lawyers, or none that want to admit to it.. jasoncohen is a lawyer-wannabe though :)
[21:19:00] maniacxs: people have epg over air working (dvb) anybody got it working with diseqc?
[21:19:00] hasse: root@mythtv:~# dmesg | grep DVB
[21:19:00] hasse: bttv0: detected: AVermedia AverTV DVB-T 771 [card=123], PCI subsystem
[21:19:00] hasse: ID is 1461:0771
[21:19:00] hasse: bttv0: using: AVerMedia AVerTV DVB-T 771 [card=123,autodetected]
[21:20:00] hasse: brejc8: Is that OK or not?
[21:20:00] brejc8: It is a bit like your life ambition is to be a consultant. "I want to get a lot of money for doing nothing with my intellect"
[21:20:00] brejc8: hasse: I think you have a front end driver missing
[21:20:00] hasse: After that comes:
[21:20:00] hasse: bttv0: gpio: en=00000000, out=00000000 in=00fbff4f [init]
[21:20:00] hasse: bttv0: using tuner=4
[21:20:00] hasse: bttv0: registered device video0
[21:20:00] hasse: bttv0: registered device vbi0
[21:20:00] hasse: bttv0: PLL: 28636363 => 35468950 .. ok
[21:20:00] hasse: bttv0: add subdevice "remote0"
[21:21:00] hasse: bttv0: add subdevice "dvb0"
[21:21:00] Beirdo: brejc8: lawyers have their purposes. Not all of them are slimeball criminal lawyers, you know.
[21:21:00] Beirdo: lawyers got the broadcast flag tossed after all :)
[21:21:00] brejc8: Beirdo: So some are patent or even copyright lawers.
[21:22:00] Beirdo: yep. until they come after you for possible infringement
[21:22:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:22:00] Beirdo: but some breeds of lawyers are worse than others...
[21:23:00] brejc8: Beirdo: Thank Christ we have people who contribute to society rather than sponge of the creations of others
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[21:23:00] Beirdo: my grandfather was a lawyer, I don't hate them... :)
[21:23:00] Beirdo: just the useless jackasses
[21:23:00] Beirdo: and the leeches :)
[21:23:00] xris: my wife almost became a lawyer
[21:23:00] Beirdo: ambulance chasers, etc
[21:23:00] Beirdo: they can go to hell
[21:23:00] brejc8: I have several friends from uni who did chemistry and law. They _ALL_ became lawyers. shame they were quite tallented in all
[21:24:00] hasse: brejc8: What's a front end driver, and what are 'registered device video0' etc if they aren't front end drivers?
[21:24:00] Beirdo: oops, back on topic
[21:24:00] hasse: I'm trying, I'm trying... ;-)
[21:25:00] brejc8: hasse: I really dont know how you get the frontend driver going on knoppmyth. I only know it on fedora
[21:25:00] hasse: Isn't it the same?
[21:25:00] xris: frontend driver? don't those things usually go onto the backend?
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[21:25:00] brejc8: hasse: I believe you must have an SAA or a CX driver to go along with your back end tuner
[21:25:00] xris: hasse: package names are different.
[21:26:00] hasse: Sure, but there should still be similarities
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[21:26:00] CyberKnet: oooh. package name. Now there's a joke worth telling.
[21:26:00] reel: how hard is it to set up a new system that is frontend only and connects to an existing backend/frontend?
[21:27:00] CyberKnet: "I had the privilege of naming my package the other day... we all have nicknames. So I named my package 'pride'. It's not much, but at least I have my pride."
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[21:27:00] CyberKnet: yeah?
[21:27:00] ** Beirdo kicks CyberKnet in his pride **
[21:27:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:27:00] brejc8: reel: Pretty much no setting up to do. Just tell it the back end address
[21:28:00] CyberKnet: hey, don't beat a mans pride.
[21:28:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: give a whole new meaning to the Gay Pride Parades
[21:28:00] reel: ok. sounds easy. i am going to be giving it a shot this weekend
[21:28:00] hasse: I'm wondering if using KnoppMyth is easier (everything preconfigured and might work, might not) or using a standard distro where nothing is configured and everything can (== must) be done according to the instructions from scratch.
[21:28:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: lmao
[21:28:00] Beirdo: I'd avoid them even more
[21:29:00] brejc8: hasse: I reccommend this guide: http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/mythdvb.html
[21:29:00] hasse: Reading it right now.
[21:30:00] hasse: "Do not proceed past this point if your card is not initialised."
[21:30:00] hasse: Right. Google it is...
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[21:31:00] brejc8: On the chip we are making I couldn't come up with a name of a delay element so my co worker suggested GAMFY. As in G. to the A. to the Mother F**king Y. The European commission was happy with the name.
[21:32:00] hasse: And the linux-dvb mailing list archive doesn't work. Bummer.
[21:32:00] hadees: brejc8, what chip?
[21:32:00] CyberKnet: I wasn't aware that the EC had to approve all delay element names =)
[21:33:00] brejc8: The technical board do.
[21:33:00] CyberKnet: I see.
[21:33:00] hadees: anyone working on any new mythtv plugins?
[21:33:00] Beirdo: probably
[21:33:00] hadees: haven't had any good new ones in a while
[21:33:00] brejc8: We are making this waste of time desynchronisation based asynchronous open source DLX
[21:33:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: and what did you tell the EC that it stood for? =)
[21:34:00] hadees: what the deal with hardware mpeg4
[21:34:00] brejc8: CyberKnet: If I asked they would ask me about ours
[21:34:00] JonK: mythporn, for storing all you pron in secret nonvisible places — only show in list when you add secret code
[21:34:00] hadees: didn't someone find one
[21:34:00] Beirdo: the Plextor is supported, I think
[21:34:00] hadees: JonK, thats mythvideo with the parental control
[21:34:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:34:00] Beirdo: silly horndogs
[21:34:00] JonK: yes, but i've relabled on the text strings in the code with????
[21:34:00] JonK: does that count as new?
[21:35:00] hadees: sure why not
[21:35:00] CyberKnet: JonK: heh
[21:35:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: I thought it was your co-worker that labeled it, and that the EC approved of the label?
[21:36:00] JonK: see i need not just the parental control, but the girlfriend knowdledge of existence control
[21:36:00] brejc8: CyberKnet: They didnt care what it stood for. They also didn't spot many other fuck ups in the project
[21:37:00] CyberKnet: JonK: if she finds it, just sue her under the DMCA for circumventing your access control =)
[21:37:00] CyberKnet: *grin*
[21:37:00] hadees: JonK, add in a retina scan
[21:37:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: Aah.
[21:37:00] JonK: yes — except i dont hold the copright in the underlying material
[21:37:00] CyberKnet: JonK: heh
[21:37:00] brejc8: Check it out. This website is entirely (101%) false http://www.ics.forth.gr/carv/aspida/
[21:37:00] JonK: somewhere i have a usb thumbscan
[21:38:00] brejc8: Actually I shouldn't have said that in a loggd chat
[21:38:00] Beirdo: heheh
[21:38:00] JonK: at one point had modified system to require thumbscan to grant root
[21:38:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: it's okay. we know you're just kidding =)
[21:39:00] Beirdo: JonK: that's too paranoid for me
[21:39:00] JonK: only 1/2 paranoia other 1/2 just wanted to see if i could do it
[21:39:00] brejc8: CyberKnet: ... Yes.. yes thats right I am.
[21:39:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:39:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: heh =)
[21:39:00] hadees: JonK, do you have any specs on that? oen of the new thinkpads has a thumb scanner, that would be neat
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[21:40:00] JonK: i don't know if i still do or not --
[21:40:00] Beirdo: I think I'd use it as a middle-finger scanner and not tell anyone
[21:40:00] Beirdo: that way if they kill me and cut off my thumb, it still won't work
[21:40:00] hadees: Beirdo, to get at your porn?
[21:40:00] ** CyberKnet makes a note to cut of beirdo's entire hand **
[21:40:00] Beirdo: for whatever
[21:40:00] Beirdo: ..|._
[21:41:00] Beirdo: take that
[21:41:00] CyberKnet: and after we get done: ..i._
[21:41:00] CyberKnet: =))
[21:41:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:41:00] Beirdo: ah well
[21:41:00] CyberKnet: sorry, couldn't resist the i joke =)
[21:41:00] Beirdo: I leave myself logged in as root at home
[21:42:00] Beirdo: like I care, the physical security's good
[21:42:00] maniacxs: does anybody knows what the program mythframes does?
[21:43:00] Beirdo: I'm sure someone does
[21:43:00] Beirdo: you could look at the code
[21:44:00] CyberKnet: mythframes extracts all the keyframes from an mpeg2 file and creates a video file consisting of just these keyframes. The frame rate is dictated by the frame rate in the source code file.
[21:45:00] CyberKnet: sound good?
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[21:45:00] ** Beirdo shrugs **
[21:45:00] CyberKnet: meh.
[21:45:00] JonK: question: so does a keyframe provide a reference for which subsequent frames are built by changes to the reference?
[21:46:00] Beirdo: yes
[21:46:00] Beirdo: amongst other things
[21:46:00] maniacxs: find . -name "*frames*" in mythtv cvs ... got nothing ... hmmm
[21:46:00] JonK: and say when switching from commercial A to commercial B i'll need a new keyframe?
[21:46:00] Beirdo: not necessarily, JonK
[21:46:00] Beirdo: it could be encoded as differences from previous frames
[21:46:00] JonK: (or more likely porn scene 1 to porn scene 2)
[21:47:00] Beirdo: I'm sure google has good references on MPEG formats
[21:47:00] JonK: so how often do you get, need, use a new keyframe?
[21:47:00] CyberKnet: JonK: affectionately know as the "T to A transition" =P"
[21:47:00] Beirdo: goooogle :)
[21:47:00] Beirdo: it's adjustable
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[21:48:00] BMOC: anyone have a problem w/livetv w/ivtv?
[21:48:00] JonK: are you offering to help?
[21:48:00] Beirdo: usually every half-second for much of the encodings I've seen, JonK
[21:48:00] JonK: thx
[21:48:00] BMOC: JonK: i've supposedly found the solution, but not for fc
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[21:49:00] BMOC: "I had this 'Live TV playing for 1 second' problem jwass described – and juski's post held the solution. Once I did a 'apt-get install libxvmc1' – my Live TV played just fine."
[21:49:00] BMOC: i think that is distro specific, i am not even sure it's called that on other distros
[21:49:00] kormoc: JonK, tis one of the reasons multipass encoding works so well, it allows it to figure out the most effecient way to do keyframes, among other things
[21:49:00] JonK: and is that typically because as you index farther from the keyframe, you need more changes to the point where it no longer saves
[21:49:00] JonK: time/space
[21:50:00] ** kormoc nods **
[21:50:00] CyberKnet: BMOC: how interesting.
[21:50:00] JonK: cool
[21:50:00] BMOC: CyberKnet: i think it's called something else for other distros, or something? i wish i could find out, cuz that's the problem i have sometimes
[21:50:00] ** KarlosII wishes xchat would embed the download window as a tab **
[21:51:00] mirak: is there a contextual help in mythtv ?
[21:51:00] Beirdo: yeah, it contextually gives you no help anywhere. :)
[21:51:00] CyberKnet: BMOC: perhaps.
[21:51:00] JonK: and don't come looking for it here either — this is a most unhelpful crowd :)
[21:52:00] CyberKnet: JonK: bite your tongue =)
[21:52:00] Beirdo: keys.txt would list any keys that would give you help, mirak. And I don't think that's been implemented
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[21:52:00] BMOC: Beirdo: are you familiar with what relation libxvmc1 has to mythtv?
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[21:53:00] Beirdo: if you've compiled with XVMC support...
[21:53:00] BMOC: well, i have the fc3 rpms
[21:53:00] BMOC: i don't know whether or not they do
[21:53:00] JonK: I take it back, we're very helpful at pointing out that google.com, does provide a search engine
[21:53:00] Beirdo: they may or may not have been
[21:54:00] BMOC: there is a libxvmcw for fc2
[21:54:00] Beirdo: I'm not sure, you could download the spec file and check, I guess
[21:54:00] BMOC: can't i run some command on a mythtv binary and it should say what it's linked to, telling me?
[21:54:00] BMOC: ldd something?
[21:54:00] Beirdo: yeah, that will tell you what it's linked against
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[21:55:00] black_nightmare1: hey there
[21:55:00] CyberKnet: BMOC: at which point in time you would want to run a search to find what rpm provides that binary.
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[21:55:00] BMOC: http://dl.atrpms.net/production/packages/fedo . . . .at.i386.rpm
[21:55:00] BMOC: i am trying that now
[21:55:00] CyberKnet: BMOC: I'm sure you're aware of the methods to accomplish that =)
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[21:55:00] Beirdo: the spec file for mythbackend would tell you how it's being built
[21:56:00] Beirdo: I really don't know, and j-rod|afk is afk
[21:56:00] BMOC: libXvMCW i
[21:56:00] JonK: spec file?
[21:56:00] BMOC: i already hav that package
[21:56:00] Beirdo: JonK: yes, for FC3, talking to BMOC :)
[21:56:00] JonK: ah — is it an rpm thing?
[21:56:00] Beirdo: yep
[21:56:00] Beirdo: that's how RPMs are built
[21:57:00] BMOC: see, sometimes i get the following on watching livetv
[21:57:00] BMOC: 2005-06–10 15:57:31.851 prebuffer wait timed out..
[21:57:00] BMOC: 2005-06–10 15:57:31.852 waiting for prebuffer...
[21:57:00] BMOC: to infinity and beyond
[21:58:00] Beirdo: I haven't seen that for ages
[21:58:00] BMOC: it's related to pvr-150's and such
[21:58:00] BMOC: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5162#5162
[21:58:00] Kronuz: Beirdo: yo know anything about why I don't have XVideo support?
[21:58:00] BMOC: well this guy is using a 350
[21:58:00] Kronuz: (I'm using PVR350)
[21:59:00] Beirdo: because the drivers likely don't have XVideo support?
[21:59:00] Kronuz: Beirdo: I thought I was missing installing something
[21:59:00] Beirdo: I don't know, I don't have a 350
[22:00:00] Beirdo: sorry :)
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[22:00:00] Kronuz: hey, who's using a PVR350?
[22:00:00] JonK: me
[22:00:00] Kronuz: you know anything about that XVideo not working?
[22:01:00] Kronuz: the Xv thing
[22:01:00] JonK: i don't but i'd be happy to test something and report back
[22:01:00] JonK: as well as start tinkering with somehting if it doesn't work --
[22:01:00] Kronuz: also xine says I don't have YV12
[22:01:00] Kronuz: JonK: you using xine?
[22:01:00] JonK: i've installed it, but haven't really used it
[22:01:00] Kronuz: could you do a xine-check inside X
[22:02:00] Kronuz: to see if you have the xv stuff installed
[22:02:00] BMOC: Beirdo: so you've seen that error before?
[22:02:00] BMOC: prebuffer?
[22:02:00] JonK: still working on some other things (like the freaking tuners on the pvr500, i cant get both to load!!!)
[22:02:00] JonK: kronuz — command to run?
[22:02:00] Beirdo: a long time ago
[22:02:00] BMOC: remember a solution?
[22:02:00] Kronuz: JonK: xine-check
[22:02:00] Kronuz: (inside an xterm)
[22:02:00] JonK: yes, but "from inside X"
[22:03:00] JonK: ?
[22:03:00] Beirdo: Ummm, not anymore :) It generally means your machine is too slow
[22:03:00] Beirdo: or something
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[22:03:00] BMOC: !
[22:03:00] black_Nightmare: just wondering but any of you know about mythtv support for via unichrome graphics onboard? (just vga)
[22:05:00] KarlosII: O_o
[22:08:00] black_Nightmare: hm? :p
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[22:08:00] Kronuz: hmm it seems I can configure xv with a pvr350... tho' I don't know how ...
[22:10:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: you know anything about the yuv/xv in ivtv?
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[22:31:00] CyberKnet: later folks.
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[23:23:00] JonK: everyone must be hunting rabbits
[23:27:00] j-rod: Sshh, I'm hunting wabbits...
[23:27:00] JonK: I'm glad someone got that
[23:27:00] kormoc: Sshh, I'm hunting webbits.
[23:34:00] Kronuz: Failed to open "/dev/video48". Need to initialize the mpeg decoder before the YUV outpput can be used
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[23:34:00] Kronuz: using a pvr350
[23:34:00] Kronuz: any ideas?
[23:35:00] iggy: yes, search the damned ivtv mailing list archives
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[23:44:00] briand: wascally wabbits.
[23:44:00] briand: I'm happy to report that I now have MPEG output from my PVR-350 to my television.
[23:44:00] ** briand celebrates wildly. **
[23:45:00] briand: now, on with the installation of MythTV...
[23:45:00] JonK: w00t!
[23:45:00] briand: my thoughts, exactly!  :D
[23:45:00] JonK: I was very happy once i hit that milestone --
[23:46:00] Beirdo: fucking gentoo... POS
[23:46:00] briand: it turns out there's a rather important step missing from the online how-to's and tutorials... regarding setting the alpha channel.
[23:46:00] Beirdo: su gives me "su: Permission Denied"
[23:46:00] Beirdo: niiice
[23:46:00] JonK: note: there is a setting in mythtv specifically for using the pvr-350 that you have to set once it's running,
[23:46:00] ** Beirdo sshes in as root instead **
[23:46:00] JonK: i wasted at least 2 hours on that
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[23:47:00] briand: JonK, do tell...
[23:47:00] JonK: just in mythfrontend --> settings --> playback
[23:47:00] briand: ah, okay.. will keep that in mind.
[23:47:00] JonK: a checkbox for enable pvr-350 out
[23:48:00] briand: incidentally, from reading around the web, etc... a lot of folks having trouble with the sound properly routing out thru the 350
[23:48:00] JonK: i had no issue
[23:49:00] briand: when I executed `dd if-/dev/video0 of=/dev/video16 bs=64k` ... I had streaming video with accompanying audio thru the composite+audio out
[23:49:00] JonK: as the sound is fully encoded by the mpeg2 frames
[23:49:00] JonK: i don't know what the problem would be
[23:49:00] briand: so, next step is to get X routed out thru there, I guess..
[23:49:00] JonK: make sure you read in the ivtv/utils directory
[23:49:00] JonK: a readme for README.x11
[23:49:00] briand: rgr.
[23:49:00] JonK: wasted another two ours on that one
[23:50:00] briand: also going step by step through the Fedora tutorial on wilsonnet.com
[23:50:00] Grant-: anyone have recommendations for an IR keyboard I can train a universal remote against?
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[23:50:00] JonK: that's missing from all the tutorials i've seen
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[23:50:00] hadees: well i got to say that mythtv howto on systm was not that great
[23:50:00] briand: appreciate the heads up. I'll take a look at it, before I go back to the Fedora Myth tutorial
[23:51:00] JonK: it's easy all you need to do is make sure you make the ivtv_drv_o file available as the driver for your xserver
[23:51:00] JonK: and than build the correct xorg.conf file
[23:51:00] briand: in the interim, I have run some cat5 from back here in the computer room over to the living room... so the Pundit is ensconced within the entertainment center there and connected to the internet
[23:52:00] JonK: and ssh'able?
[23:52:00] kernoman: tvout through the 350 looks great but there are issues, going from the epg back to live tv causes a black screen, and you cant play divx etc
[23:52:00] briand: of course. I'm ssh'd into it from this box right now.  :)
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[23:52:00] hadees: kernoman, i think you can play divx but you need a fast cpu
[23:53:00] briand: 2.4G Prescott Celeron D ...with a 533MHz FSB
[23:53:00] ShockValue: Hi all.. i finally got mythtv working with my directv (d10–100).. except that i seem to have that bug where nothing below channel 100 will tune... does anyone know hte fix for this?
[23:53:00] briand: should be adequate.
[23:53:00] JonK: dont watch anything below channel 100?
[23:53:00] hadees: what sucks is if there were good drivers for nvidia or ati the pvr350 would not be the best tvout
[23:53:00] briand: ShockValue: did you try it with a leading '0' when specifying those channels?
[23:53:00] briand: ie: 087, 099, etc?
[23:53:00] ShockValue: briand – yes.. it doesnt seem to care
[23:54:00] briand: just a stab in the dark.
[23:54:00] ShockValue: JonK – or i could just stop breathing, that would fix the problem too, right
[23:54:00] hadees: ShockValue, do you have digital cable?
[23:54:00] kernoman: i can play them but they are slow – 2.4ghz with 1gb of ram is rpretty fast
[23:54:00] ShockValue: directv, like it says :)
[23:54:00] Kronuz: okay, I made xv work... sort of
[23:54:00] JonK: I'm just interested in the best tv quality--so will switch as soon as something is available, but i have an fx200 for the frontend on my main tv anyway, and i really can't detect any real difference in pciture quality...
[23:55:00] Kronuz: but now it looks like grayscale with a freen block in the lower part (and a ghost red image on the top)
[23:55:00] Kronuz: I'm guessing it has something to do with PAL-NTSC ?
[23:55:00] briand: kernoman: i've got 512MB ram in the Pundit with the 2.4GHz processor... are you saying that it may still be slow?
[23:55:00] ShockValue: Anyone using DirecTV with mythtv here? :)
[23:55:00] kernoman: yep
[23:55:00] hadees: ShockValue, are you going through a box?
[23:55:00] hadees: direct tv box
[23:56:00] kernoman: anything that you transcode to remove the commercials and then play back will play badly
[23:56:00] ShockValue: hadees – yes, d10–100. i dont think there is any other way to do it, is there?
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[23:56:00] hadees: ShockValue, nope, but that makes no sense why you can't get below 100
[23:56:00] briand: kernoman: hmm... well, that's a bit down the road for me, anyway. We'll see how it goes when I get to that point. I'll be happy just to have Myth working.. i'll worry about the "niceties" later on.
[23:57:00] hadees: ShockValue, is the box not changing channels?
[23:57:00] ShockValue: im using a serial cable to cable to control the box via myth. anything above 100 works fine (except that I still cant get spice for free) and below 100 doesnt.
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[23:57:00] kernoman: its also very unstable i found, looks great though
[23:57:00] hadees: i want hdtv out
[23:57:00] hadees: till then nivida tv out it is
[23:58:00] briand: okay.. well I'm off to peek+poke and so on...
[23:58:00] ShockValue: like if i type in 512 – it switches to hbo. when i type in 013 or 13, it stays on hbo, but myth thinks that its now on 13
[23:58:00] JonK: is it worth trying the over the air hd broadcast?
[23:58:00] ** JonK thinking about acquiring an hd3000 **
[23:58:00] hadees: ShockValue, did you try your channel chaning script from the command line and see if the box changes
[23:58:00] kernoman: what is a hd3000 ?>
[23:58:00] hadees: ShockValue, it sounds like the script that changes your channels isn't working
[23:58:00] hadees: not mythtv persay
[23:59:00] ShockValue: hadees – yes, it doesnt work either. I agree that its problably a script problem
[23:59:00] ShockValue: but i have no idea about how scripts work and such, so i was hoping someone had an updated one or something

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