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    datetime:  2010-12-02 20:08:36 (UTC)
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Wednesday, June 8th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
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[00:02:00] mchou: Beirdo: haha
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[00:32:00] quink: evening
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[00:35:00] reel: top of the evening to you quink
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[00:35:00] quink: heh
[00:35:00] quink: so i finally got mythstreamtv working
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[00:37:00] quink: any of you running it?
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[00:53:00] gnarface: havn't even heard of it, got a url?
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[00:59:00] xris: gnarface: add .sf.net
[00:59:00] xris: quink: no, not running it. want to integrate it with mythweb, but haven't had time.
[00:59:00] xris: (better integrate0
[01:02:00] quink: xris: oh right you make mythweb?
[01:02:00] quink: seems to work quite well, but has its share of bugs
[01:02:00] quink: it was easy enough to install, but the vlc processes don't terminate properly for me
[01:03:00] quink: plus it takes a crapload of ram/swap
[01:03:00] quink: 1999 apache 15 0 377m 300m 13m S 55.0 39.7 11:31.51 vlc
[01:08:00] k-man: which dvb-t sd capture card should I buy?
[01:08:00] k-man: in Australia
[01:09:00] abarbaccia: anybody know how to get mythmusic to see my cdrecorder? it wont show up when i do a cdrecord -scanbus, unless i append dev=hdb to it
[01:10:00] adante: k-man: popular choices are the visionplus and fusion
[01:11:00] Agrajag-: k-man: i've got 2 of the visionplus
[01:11:00] Agrajag-: got them for $110 each
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[01:12:00] adante: and 3 here :]
[01:12:00] k-man: Agrajag-, good?
[01:12:00] k-man: adante, ok, thanks
[01:12:00] Agrajag-: i dont have a problem with them
[01:13:00] Agrajag-: someone once said on the mailing list people wouldn't have any luck with > 1 of them because they're bttv based and something about a low buffer
[01:13:00] adante: i've gotten them to lock up or something a couple of times
[01:13:00] abarbaccia: hey, does the current version of mythmusic use ide-scsi emulation still
[01:13:00] Agrajag-: but i have 3 bttv based cards (2 dvb, one analogue) and i dont have problems
[01:13:00] adante: to the extent where the frontend device disappears from linux and i have to power down to get it working
[01:14:00] k-man: oh
[01:14:00] k-man: ok
[01:14:00] k-man: i think we were talking about this the other day
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[01:14:00] j-rod: okay, anyone connecting to an exchange server with evolution and the exchange connector?
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[01:15:00] Agrajag-: well that's a random question
[01:15:00] Beirdo: exchange--
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[01:21:00] k-man: anyone know who the distributor for twinhain is in Australia?
[01:21:00] Agrajag-: no idea
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[01:23:00] adante: lano or something
[01:23:00] adante: k-man: lako pacific
[01:24:00] k-man: i hear they are out of business?
[01:24:00] adante: i wouldn't really know, just remember reading it somewhere the other day
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[01:25:00] k-man: oh
[01:25:00] k-man: ok
[01:25:00] k-man: thanks
[01:30:00] adante: whereabouts are you k-man?
[01:30:00] k-man: sydney
[01:30:00] k-man: you?
[01:30:00] adante: godamn brisbane customs office has been engaged for the past 2 hours
[01:30:00] adante: damn mexicans
[01:30:00] Beirdo: hehe
[01:30:00] adante: brissy :]
[01:30:00] Beirdo: damn aussies
[01:30:00] Beirdo: :)
[01:30:00] Beirdo: we're being overrun by them :)
[01:30:00] Beirdo: hehe
[01:31:00] adante: damn.. beirdo :P
[01:31:00] Beirdo: it's good to see the Aussies showing up :)
[01:31:00] Beirdo: how is your almost winter going?
[01:31:00] k-man: yeah
[01:31:00] k-man: there should be more of us
[01:31:00] adante: badly – there's no snow!
[01:31:00] Beirdo: hahah
[01:32:00] Beirdo: you want snow?
[01:32:00] Beirdo: jeez
[01:32:00] Beirdo: come up here in our winter
[01:32:00] k-man: and no rain
[01:32:00] j-rod: we just upgraded our exchange server from 5.5 to 2003, so I can finally (hopefully) throw outlook 2000 out the door and use evo
[01:32:00] Beirdo: that will solve you of that desire
[01:32:00] adante: well i'm going skiing in 2 weeks so yeah :]
[01:32:00] k-man: it hasn't rained in australia since 2002
[01:32:00] adante: haha
[01:32:00] Beirdo: I'd be doubting that
[01:34:00] k-man: ok, well, there was about 1mm of rain last week, but other than that, it hasn't rained at all! ;)
[01:34:00] Beirdo: you should move away from the outback :)
[01:35:00] Agrajag-: adante: where you going skiing?
[01:35:00] Beirdo: and get yer baby back from the dingo :)
[01:35:00] adante: Agrajag-: falls creek
[01:36:00] abarbaccia: hey – why when i go to burn an audio CD it won't let me – the 2 audio cd buttons are greyed out – but the MP3 cd is working i think
[01:36:00] GeckoFiend: abarbaccia because it's not been implemented
[01:36:00] Beirdo: hehe
[01:36:00] abarbaccia: GeckoFiend, that makes me feel a hell of a lot better – THANKS!
[01:36:00] Beirdo: that would be a good reason
[01:36:00] abarbaccia: the best really
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[01:41:00] rjune: geckofiend
[01:41:00] GeckoFiend: yes?
[01:41:00] rjune: Hmm, tab complete is borked.
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[01:42:00] rjune: I got a problem with news, a number of news feeds are simply saying Failed to retrieve news. Dilbert, linux game tome and slashdot specificly
[01:42:00] rjune: is there a known problem with those?
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[01:43:00] GeckoFiend: rjune only thing I can say is to try to pull it by hand with a browser. It's possbile they've changed URLS or something
[01:43:00] rjune: the rss feeds?
[01:43:00] GeckoFiend: yeah
[01:44:00] GeckoFiend: take a look at news.xml
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[01:44:00] rjune: news-sites.xml rather, ya?
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[01:45:00] iggy: I know /. has some rate limiting magic setup
[01:45:00] GeckoFiend: yeah
[01:46:00] xris: heh.. /. and bandwidth makes me laugh.
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[01:48:00] xris: so, GeckoFiend, how goes the lxmsuite setup stuff?
[01:49:00] rjune: ]/. seems to be wrong
[01:49:00] rjune: 'f' will reload the news feed, right?
[01:50:00] xris: /. will apparently ban you if you try to reload their rss feed too often
[01:50:00] rjune: how about once.
[01:50:00] rjune: this is odd, I get it in firefox/mozilla, but not in mythnews
[01:51:00] rjune: sasme for linux game tome.
[01:52:00] rjune: and CNN
[01:52:00] rjune: ok, so mythnews reads the URL from news-sites.xml, not from the db, right?
[01:54:00] rjune: hmmm. think I found my problem. mythnews needs to be on the backend or the frontend?
[01:54:00] xris: frontend, I'd assume
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[01:59:00] GeckoFiend: heh http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ . . . mp;cset=true
[01:59:00] xris: registration req
[02:00:00] GeckoFiend: xris the single signup thing is pretty much done, just some ssl stuff to work out
[02:00:00] xris: GeckoFiend: cool
[02:00:00] GeckoFiend: xris odd.. bugmenot must have let me in
[02:00:00] xris: (oh, and bugmenot to the rescue)
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[02:01:00] xris: great, and my firewall crashed. blech.
[02:02:00] xris: or rather, sshd crashed.
[02:03:00] xris: that's just f'd up
[02:03:00] k-man: Agrajag-, where did you get your vision plus cards from?
[02:06:00] mkrufky: I'm having a real hard time compiling mythtv under gentoo... can someone take a look at what emerge tells me?? I posted it all here: http://m1k.net/mythtv/
[02:07:00] mkrufky: ...and I DO have DVB compiled into my kernel
[02:08:00] Agrajag-: k-man: msy.com.au
[02:08:00] k-man: thanks
[02:08:00] rjune: geckofiend, whatcha doing with SSO?
[02:09:00] Agrajag-: mkrufky: what kernel are you using?
[02:10:00] mkrufky: i initially tried this under 2.6.11-gentoo-r9
[02:10:00] mkrufky: but now im using 2.6.12-rc6-mm1
[02:10:00] mkrufky: same problems no matter what kernel im using
[02:10:00] Agrajag-: i dont know why it wants linuxtv-dvb-1.0.1 at all
[02:11:00] mkrufky: well, i could take dvb out of make.conf, but i want mythtv to pick up dvb streams
[02:11:00] Agrajag-: yeah.. 2.6.12 has dvb stuff already
[02:11:00] Agrajag-: you dont need linuxtv-dvb
[02:11:00] mkrufky: ya i wrote the code in v4l for my card
[02:12:00] mkrufky: and someone else wrote the dvb stuff for it, but i havent been able to test it, as NO dvb programs are compiling on my gentoo box
[02:12:00] mkrufky: hmm
[02:12:00] mkrufky: ok i will bite the bullet and take dvb out of make.conf
[02:13:00] mkrufky: i bet it will compile this way, but i worry that i will only tune analog channels
[02:13:00] Agrajag-: well im not a gentoo fan at all but it looks like you're missing your /lib/modules/2.6.12-rc6-mm1/build/Rules.make
[02:13:00] mkrufky: thats what it says
[02:13:00] mkrufky: sounds like an obvious answer however
[02:13:00] mkrufky: i dont know where it would be
[02:14:00] Agrajag-: so are you saying that linuxtv-dvb 1.0.1 has support for your card whereas the kernel you're using doesn't?
[02:14:00] mkrufky: no
[02:14:00] Agrajag-: ok well i dont get why you need linuxtv-dvb at all
[02:14:00] mkrufky: ok i see your point
[02:15:00] mkrufky: i didnt realize thsat linuxtv-dvb was the dvb portion of the kernel
[02:15:00] mkrufky: (silly me) ... i will try forcing it to compile without linux-dvb
[02:15:00] mkrufky: will get back to u in a few minutes
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[02:17:00] gnarface: anyone here using amd64?
[02:17:00] gnarface: i'm looking for advise on motherboards to buy
[02:17:00] abarbaccia: hey guys – how hard is it to get lirc working with an irblaster? anybody do it successfully and recommend any sites or advice?
[02:17:00] ** xris needs a bigger case for his web/file server.... **
[02:18:00] gnarface: abarbaccia: that should be easy.
[02:19:00] gnarface: abarbaccia: http://www.lircsetup.com/index.php did you see this one?
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[02:21:00] braniff: what do i have to do to get btaudio working ??
[02:21:00] braniff: on fc3 ?
[02:22:00] gnarface: man
[02:22:00] gnarface: modprobe btaudio
[02:22:00] gnarface: duh?
[02:22:00] braniff: heh
[02:22:00] braniff: nope
[02:22:00] gnarface: find /lib |grep 'bt'
[02:22:00] gnarface: what does it give you?
[02:23:00] braniff: /lib/modules/2.6.10–1.770_14.rhfc3.at/updates/sound/pci/snd-bt87x.ko
[02:23:00] gnarface: crap. gotta go.
[02:23:00] gnarface: you need to compile it then
[02:23:00] gnarface: oh wayt
[02:23:00] gnarface: that's it
[02:24:00] gnarface: that should work if that's the kernel you're running
[02:24:00] gnarface: modprobe snd-bt87x
[02:24:00] gnarface: then try again.
[02:24:00] braniff: i did that and nothing happened
[02:24:00] mkrufky: thats a good sign
[02:24:00] mkrufky: if you do lsmod, you will see snd-bt87x listed
[02:24:00] mkrufky: try and see it it works now
[02:25:00] mkrufky: IF it works now
[02:25:00] braniff: the module loaded, but no joy as far as mythtv sound goes
[02:26:00] braniff: i can play mp3s etc with xmms, but mythtv has no sound
[02:26:00] braniff: neither does xawtv
[02:26:00] mkrufky: ok well this is progress
[02:26:00] mkrufky: because at least the module is loaded
[02:26:00] mkrufky: does ur video card have an audio connector to your sound board?
[02:27:00] mkrufky: i mean the capture card, not the video card
[02:27:00] braniff: yes i have a wintv-go and its Line-Out is connected to my soundcard's Line-In
[02:28:00] mkrufky: ok, did you make sure that line-in isnt muted in kmix?
[02:28:00] mkrufky: ...also, it might not be attached to the "line-in" control... on my system, it shows up as "AUX"
[02:28:00] braniff: interesting
[02:28:00] mkrufky: it could be anything, even CD or mic
[02:29:00] ** braniff is trying all the possible inputs **
[02:31:00] mkrufky: oh, here's another thing... the audio on my video card is low.... in order for me to hear anything, i have to put AUX volume very high, and the MASTER volume has to be very high too.... Hopefully this wont be the case for you, but it's good to know
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[02:39:00] braniff: no joy from the mixer settings
[02:39:00] mkrufky: aww
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[02:42:00] mkrufky: what capture card do u have anyhow?
[02:42:00] braniff: it's a WinTV-Go
[02:43:00] braniff: i've run btaudio on it back with mythtv 0.14 or so
[02:43:00] mkrufky: well, this is more of a v4l issue than a mythtv one, since its not giving you sound in any app, eh?
[02:43:00] mkrufky: oh, i thought u said it wasnt working in any app at all?
[02:43:00] mkrufky: were you running a different kernel back then?
[02:44:00] braniff: i have video but no audio with mythtv. audio works with other apps, but not video capture apps (xawtv)
[02:44:00] braniff: yes 2.4 something or other
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[02:45:00] mkrufky: oooh i didnt know that part
[02:45:00] mkrufky: in that case, i think that we were barking up the wrong tree...
[02:46:00] mkrufky: unfortunately, i got nothing ...good thing im not a mythtv expert
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[02:46:00] mkrufky: keep asking... someone else is bounf to know somehting
[02:46:00] braniff: oh well thanks anyway — i thought might be a mixer problem of some kind too
[02:47:00] mkrufky: ya its always nice when the solution is right in front of ur face
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[02:49:00] kgbudz: whats the deal with listening to music while looking at your image gallery?
[02:49:00] rjune: you can do that?
[02:54:00] twisted_one: rjune, Smashing Pumpkins fan at all?
[02:55:00] twisted_one: (sorry, just recoginzed yoru nick as a related item)
[02:55:00] kgbudz: it would be a nice feature
[02:55:00] kgbudz: that mythgallery plays mp3s
[02:55:00] kgbudz: that are included in the folder with the images
[02:57:00] kgbudz: cause then you can just ln some mp3s
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[02:57:00] twisted_one: and for pictures of people you dont like you can put in something truly awful =P
[02:58:00] kgbudz: so music in mythgallery isnt supported?
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[03:04:00] GreyFoxx: kgbudz: Correct
[03:04:00] kgbudz: is there a command line command to play mp3s?
[03:05:00] kgbudz: i just tried aplay
[03:05:00] kgbudz: and realized it doesnt do mp3s
[03:05:00] GreyFoxx: it would depends on whether or not you have a commandline mp3 player or not :)
[03:05:00] GreyFoxx: mpg123, mpg321 are often available
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[03:07:00] braniff: anyone ever seen this --> localhost kernel: bttv0: OCERR @ 0ea3a014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW FBUS OCERR*
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[03:13:00] Beirdo: xris: you in?
[03:14:00] Beirdo: just got some fucked up error when updating a ticket for nuvexport
[03:14:00] Beirdo: something about wanting an int
[03:15:00] Beirdo: Trac detected an internal error:
[03:15:00] Beirdo: int argument required
[03:15:00] Beirdo: but it works... you might wanna check your scripts :)
[03:17:00] Beirdo: emailed you the traceback
[03:19:00] Beirdo: xris!
[03:19:00] Beirdo: your mailserver sucks
[03:20:00] jedix: there are mailservers that don't suck?
[03:20:00] Beirdo: yes
[03:21:00] jedix: get out!
[03:21:00] jedix: what do they run?
[03:21:00] Beirdo: software
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[03:23:00] slePP: Jun 7 20:23:23 relic ivtv: ENC IRQ OVERFLOW: #7855 Stealing a Buffer, 1025 currently allocated
[03:23:00] slePP: what does that mean, exactly?
[03:23:00] ** Beirdo shrugs **
[03:23:00] slePP: heh
[03:23:00] Beirdo: I think it means read the source :)
[03:23:00] ** slePP wonders if it can't write to the NFS share fast enough **
[03:23:00] Beirdo: heh
[03:23:00] Beirdo: could be, dunno
[03:24:00] ** slePP needs to rewire this place tonight **
[03:24:00] Beirdo: oh look, another call from Yanush
[03:25:00] Beirdo: fucking dumbass cold callers
[03:25:00] Beirdo: same thing over and over
[03:25:00] riksta: hey Beirdo, slePP m8ys
[03:25:00] Beirdo: heya, riksta
[03:26:00] riksta: what's crackin'
[03:26:00] Beirdo: not much
[03:26:00] Beirdo: need to get durnl
[03:26:00] Beirdo: durnk even
[03:26:00] riksta: i got no booze, anyhow its too late here
[03:26:00] Beirdo: I got lots
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[03:26:00] riksta: i'm poor tho ;)
[03:27:00] Beirdo: I just used some bourbon in a sauce.
[03:27:00] Beirdo: yummy
[03:27:00] riksta: sweet
[03:27:00] Beirdo: reduce that mofo down. it was gooood
[03:27:00] riksta: nice, i made fajitas, at 2am haha
[03:27:00] riksta: were awesome
[03:27:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[03:30:00] socktie: so I upgraded from .17 to .18, and now get "No useable Audio driver found" and "Don't disable OSS support unless you're not running on Linux."
[03:30:00] socktie: Any ideas? I can't find any solutions on the web
[03:31:00] Beirdo: so don't disable OSS
[03:31:00] Beirdo: xris: fix your damn server :) hehe
[03:31:00] socktie: Beirdo, I compiled it in, and don't specify any settings to disable it (tha ti know of)
[03:32:00] Beirdo: maybe you busted your sound support at the same time
[03:33:00] riksta: go back to 0.17 and see if its working
[03:33:00] socktie: I don't think so, because xmms is working fine
[03:33:00] socktie: riksta, AFAIK sever 0.18 doesn't work with client 0.17, so I can't unless I downgrade my server. Which I'm hesistant to do, for fear of breaking stuff again.
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[03:33:00] riksta: dump the db for backup
[03:33:00] Beirdo: sounds like your ./configure didn't behave
[03:34:00] Beirdo: do it again, maybe
[03:34:00] riksta: yeah socktie did your configure pick up oss support
[03:34:00] socktie: yes
[03:34:00] socktie: OSS and ALSA
[03:34:00] riksta: do you use alsa or oss currently
[03:34:00] socktie: # Sound Output Support
[03:34:00] socktie: OSS support yes
[03:34:00] socktie: ALSA support yes
[03:34:00] socktie: ALSA
[03:34:00] riksta: do you have alsa oss emulation
[03:35:00] socktie: hm I am not sure let me look
[03:35:00] riksta: strange error if you ask me
[03:36:00] socktie: yea well that's what I thought too
[03:36:00] socktie: especially since it detects oss/alsa support
[03:37:00] quink: is there any way to make dvd ripping not get audio lag?
[03:37:00] socktie: riksta, well i will have to work with this later, thanks for the attempt.
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[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: blah
[03:43:00] Beirdo: that's right
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Know if anyone is actively maintaining or working on mythgame ?
[03:43:00] Beirdo: no clue
[03:43:00] Beirdo: I haven't heard of anyone
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: I finally decided to install a bunch of emulators and am now just compiling it up
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: I'm not expecting it to be pretty :)
[03:43:00] Beirdo: hehe
[03:44:00] GreyFoxx: Seems to me last time
[03:44:00] GreyFoxx: I looked it was pretty much xmame specific and not made to handle multiple emulators, but I'm hoping that has changed :)
[03:49:00] GeckoFiend: GreyFoxx mytgame is onwerless
[03:50:00] Beirdo: all yours :)
[03:50:00] Beirdo: hehe
[03:50:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[03:50:00] GreyFoxx: cool
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[03:53:00] Agrajag-: has something with nuvexport changed recently to do with the number of frames/fps? because before, the fps for me was about 25fps while transcoding – but the total number of frames was way too high
[03:53:00] Agrajag-: now it seems the total number of frames is the same, but fps has jumped to about 120
[03:53:00] Beirdo: so specific
[03:53:00] Agrajag-: so now at least the percent complete seems right
[03:54:00] Agrajag-: but the total number of frames is way too high and fps is too high and frames processes is too high :P
[03:54:00] Beirdo: there's only like 20 combinations of transcoding available
[03:55:00] Beirdo: and nothing in nuvexport itself is likely to do that. changes to ffmpeg or transcode perhaps
[03:55:00] Agrajag-: well i thought this would be common to all of them
[03:55:00] Agrajag-: or at least to transcode
[03:55:00] Beirdo: I don't think the commandline options for either have significantly changed to my knowledge
[03:55:00] Agrajag-: i haven't changed anything except i did a svn up
[03:55:00] Agrajag-: for nuvexport
[03:55:00] Beirdo: not in the last month. but feel free to look on trac :)
[03:56:00] Agrajag-: k
[03:56:00] Beirdo: I could well be wrong :)
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[04:01:00] psm321: hi
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[04:01:00] psm321: is the database format documented anywhere?
[04:02:00] Agrajag-: mc.sql
[04:02:00] Agrajag-: wait that doesn't have all the structure does it
[04:03:00] psm321: yeah thats just permissions stuff
[04:04:00] Captain_Murdoch: psm321: "show tables;", and "desc TABLENAME;"  :) unless you want to run phpMyAdmin or something similar.
[04:04:00] GreyFoxx: psm321: mysqldump the db and read it :)
[04:05:00] psm321: i have been reading
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[04:10:00] psm321: its just i have no idea what the purpose of some of the tables is
[04:10:00] psm321: like saw oldprogram
[04:10:00] psm321: *say
[04:16:00] Beirdo: use the source, psm321
[04:16:00] psm321: alright
[04:17:00] psm321: will do
[04:17:00] Captain_Murdoch: it's for old programs, say pre-1970's. j/k  :) something you can do is run this from the main mythtv source directory: find ./ -name '*.cpp' | xargs grep oldprogram
[04:17:00] psm321: i was just wondering if there was any docs
[04:17:00] Beirdo: rhere aren't
[04:17:00] Beirdo: there even
[04:18:00] psm321: also schema updates... is there any documentation on what changes in those? (i'm considering writing some scripts that are going to work with the database so they would need to be kept up to date)
[04:18:00] Beirdo: the source is the documentation
[04:18:00] psm321: okie
[04:18:00] psm321: thanks
[04:26:00] Beirdo: hmm
[04:26:00] Beirdo: this damn recording's out of sync
[04:26:00] Beirdo: haven't seen this forever
[04:26:00] Beirdo: MPEG2 from PVR250
[04:27:00] Beirdo: but if I save location, exit the recording, return... it's back in sync
[04:32:00] adante: i've got multiple tuners in my comp, is there any way to get them to seperately record back-to-back programs so the overlap remains?
[04:33:00] twisted_one: any of you guys decent with apache/php?
[04:33:00] adante: for instance for a 6:30–7:00 show, record from 6:27–7:03, and then a seperate tuner can record 6:57–7:33, on the same channel
[04:34:00] twisted_one: adante: yes, as long as myths sees both (or more) it will automatically do it for you.
[04:34:00] Beirdo: adante: set the pre- and post-roll, it should take care of itself, AFAIK
[04:36:00] Chuggachu: bandicoot
[04:36:00] Chuggachu: heh he's not here ..
[04:38:00] adante: twisted_one: at the moment it's making a 6:27–7:00 and 7:00–7:33 recording, using a single tuner
[04:38:00] ** xris is probably good with php **
[04:38:00] adante: Beirdo: pre and post roll is just the record this much before and record this much after option?
[04:39:00] twisted_one: adante: myth recognizes both tuners?
[04:39:00] adante: twisted_one: definitely, i can record 3 seperate channels simultaneously
[04:39:00] psm321: i think you need to set the pre/post on the program schedule, not the global setting
[04:40:00] psm321: th global setting is considered "optional" is how i've hear it explained
[04:40:00] twisted_one: adante: hrmm, odd, not sure then, sorry =\
[04:40:00] adante: twisted_one: no worries :]
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[04:40:00] adante: psm321: i'll take a look
[04:40:00] psm321: k
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[04:43:00] adante: psm321: sorry where exactly is this? somewhere in settings, or a per program recording option?
[04:52:00] GreyFoxx: Nifty, I made mythfrontend falldown go boom
[04:53:00] twisted_one: GreyFoxx: nice
[04:54:00] twisted_one: GreyFoxx: dont know if you saw my comment the other day but... nice nick =)
[04:54:00] GreyFoxx: Err, Thanks
[04:54:00] GreyFoxx: I've been using it for 16 years now :)
[04:54:00] twisted_one: heh, nice
[04:54:00] twisted_one: Played the old school ones eh?
[04:54:00] rjune: twisted_one: why do you ask if I'm a smashing pumpkins fan?
[04:54:00] twisted_one: yoru nick is from some song lyrics
[04:55:00] rjune: Uhm nope
[04:55:00] rjune: it's from my name, Richard JUNE
[04:55:00] twisted_one: ah, ok =)
[04:55:00] rjune: which song did you think it was from ?
[04:55:00] GreyFoxx: I've been using it since 88–89. I was on a BBS which had a primitive interactive chat thing that had everyone pick a handle. And I chose this. Been GreyFoxx ever since :)
[04:55:00] twisted_one: i forget now... =\
[04:55:00] twisted_one: GreyFoxx: so not Metal Gear related?
[04:55:00] GreyFoxx: No
[04:56:00] GreyFoxx: :)
[04:56:00] rjune: twisted, man you just can't get nicks straight eh?
[04:56:00] twisted_one: ha
[04:56:00] twisted_one: I suck
[04:56:00] twisted_one: at life
[04:56:00] twisted_one: =p
[04:56:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[04:56:00] twisted_one: Im a huge fan of both Metal Gear games and the Smashing Pumpkins too, bah, got my ass kicked on both fronts
[04:57:00] GreyFoxx: I had a series of handles prior to this one. But I've stuck with this so far, so I don't expect to be changing it anytime soon :)
[04:57:00] ** GreyFoxx suddenly feels old **
[04:58:00] twisted_one: aww, poor old chap =P
[04:58:00] twisted_one: oh, oh... you guys might like this one... bah let me find the quote
[04:58:00] GreyFoxx: my nick is like my domain, I plan on keeping them forever :)
[05:01:00] twisted_one: maybe not =\
[05:01:00] twisted_one: any of you play through ff7?
[05:02:00] twisted_one: guess not =\
[05:02:00] twisted_one: Im a youngin
[05:02:00] GreyFoxx: I don't really play games much if at all
[05:02:00] rjune: I own ff7
[05:02:00] GreyFoxx: haven't really for years
[05:03:00] GreyFoxx: not since unreal tournament
[05:03:00] rjune: twisted, and have played all FF games except for the two latest
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[05:07:00] twisted_one: ah
[05:07:00] twisted_one: well then..
[05:07:00] twisted_one: btw, 10 is good =)
[05:07:00] twisted_one: Jun 07 17:02:52 <TsunamiNoAi> kill -9 doesnt nail it
[05:07:00] twisted_one: Jun 07 17:02:54 <TsunamiNoAi> zombie
[05:07:00] twisted_one: Jun 07 17:02:56 <twisted_one> ah
[05:07:00] twisted_one: Jun 07 17:03:05 <twisted_one> yeah, kill -9 never kills zombies
[05:07:00] twisted_one: Jun 07 17:03:09 <twisted_one> they are already dead, duh
[05:07:00] twisted_one: Jun 07 17:03:12 <twisted_one> =P
[05:07:00] twisted_one: Jun 07 17:03:16 <TsunamiNoAi> i dunno how to get rid of it =P
[05:07:00] twisted_one: Jun 07 17:03:33 <TsunamiNoAi> holy -9 pid ?
[05:07:00] twisted_one: Jun 07 17:03:36 <TsunamiNoAi> =P
[05:07:00] twisted_one: Jun 07 17:03:44 <twisted_one> yes
[05:08:00] twisted_one: Jun 07 17:03:58 <twisted_one> but you need to be logged in as aeris shes the only one who can handle it
[05:08:00] twisted_one: (sorry for the flood)
[05:08:00] opello: geez
[05:08:00] opello: :)
[05:08:00] twisted_one: bleh, totally forgot about ettiqutte there, and how to spell ettiquette
[05:09:00] rpete: you were close
[05:10:00] twisted_one: thats all that matters to me, you know what I meant, and thus I accomplished my goal of that communication =P
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[05:19:00] sreality: anyone using an ati e-home wonder mpeg2 encoder card with mythtv?
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[05:43:00] Polydwarf: If myth, when playing back a recording, shows the end time of the recording fluctuating (IE, while the OSD is up, the end time will range from 55 minutes through 59 minutes for an hour long show), what would you first suspect?
[05:43:00] Agrajag-: that there's a bug
[05:43:00] Polydwarf: thanks.....
[05:43:00] Agrajag-: :)
[05:43:00] Polydwarf: hehehe
[05:44:00] Agrajag-: check the mailing list, im pretty sure people were talking about that not long ago
[05:44:00] Polydwarf: I have, and I saw that, but it seems most of the issues boiled down to mysql errors... at least a mysqlrepair shows my tables to be clean
[05:45:00] Polydwarf: unless I'm looking at a different set of threads (I was looking in user)
[05:45:00] Agrajag-: yeah that's what i was talking about.. hmm sorry can't help you then :/
[05:46:00] Polydwarf: doh
[05:46:00] Polydwarf: My first inclination is to think ivtv
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[05:47:00] Polydwarf: but I haven't changed it in a while.
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[05:49:00] Polydwarf: although, for what it's worth, the nuv files play fine on my windows box
[05:50:00] mchou: Damn, sopranos season started already??
[05:51:00] mchou: oops, sorry, my mistake.
[05:52:00] Beirdo: Simpsons rule
[05:53:00] Polydwarf: can old myth executables be used with new myth databases? IE, if I wanted to downgrade from latest CVS to 18.1, is it possible without mucking with the db?
[05:53:00] Beirdo: no
[05:53:00] Beirdo: as a general rule
[05:53:00] Polydwarf: I was afraid of that. :)
[05:53:00] Beirdo: in specific, maybe
[05:54:00] Beirdo: backup your database and try it
[05:54:00] Polydwarf: one of those "Give it a shot, if it works for you, great, if not, oh well" situations?
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[06:14:00] rtsai: hello
[06:16:00] k-man: whats the redirect command to redirect stderr to stdout?
[06:16:00] rtsai: what shell?
[06:16:00] k-man: bash
[06:16:00] rtsai: cmd 2>&1
[06:17:00] k-man: ah, thanks
[06:17:00] k-man: so 2>&1 /dev/null will direct it to /dev/null?
[06:17:00] rtsai: I think all the code I've seen is "cmd > /dev/null 2>&1"
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[06:17:00] rtsai: The order is significant, but can be subtle (I'm not exactly clear).
[06:18:00] k-man: oh
[06:18:00] k-man: really?
[06:18:00] k-man: bloody hell
[06:18:00] k-man: i can never wrap my brain around this problem
[06:18:00] rtsai: I think if you do "foo 2>&1 > /dev/null" you send stderr to stdout, and the original stdout goes to /dev/null
[06:18:00] rtsai: whereas the other way around, you send stdout to /dev/null and *then* stderr goes to stdout, which is going to /dev/null, so everything goes to /dev/null
[06:19:00] rtsai: you almost certainly want "cmd > /dev/null 2>&1"
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[06:20:00] BMOC: hi
[06:20:00] rtsai: k-man: http://www.samspublishing.com/articles/articl . . . 461&rl=1
[06:20:00] BMOC: there is a certain package that is supposed to solve the livetv stutter problem
[06:20:00] BMOC: but i cannot find it for fc anywhere
[06:21:00] rtsai: sorry
[06:21:00] k-man: rtsai, thanks
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[07:01:00] psm321: adante: sorry for the huge delay, but if youre still around, its in the recording schedule (go down to "scheduling options" or something like that)
[07:02:00] psm321: adante: i'm not sure if that'll fix ur problem... i think it will. but the downside is then it considers the extra time as mandatory so if youre short on tuners that could cause an unnecessary conflict
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[07:09:00] k-man: im trying out getmail instead of fetchmail for a while
[07:09:00] k-man: seems to be quite good once you get the hang of it
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[07:25:00] meowsqueak: is it possible to use a mouse in mythtv-setup?
[07:26:00] stoffel: no
[07:27:00] meowsqueak: ok, so there seem to be unselectable buttons in the Channels screen
[07:27:00] meowsqueak: can't select "Scan for channels" or "Advanced" with the keyboard
[07:27:00] stoffel: what tuner card? afair these are options for dvb only
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[07:28:00] meowsqueak: ah, that might explain it
[07:28:00] meowsqueak: I'm trying to set up a saa7134-based TV tuner card
[07:28:00] meowsqueak: so how do you delete a channel after creating it?
[07:29:00] stoffel: you set it to be not visible in the channel editor
[07:29:00] meowsqueak: I see.
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[07:37:00] Agrajag-: heh my nuvexport has gone nuts
[07:38:00] Agrajag-: it's been going way longer than normal
[07:38:00] Agrajag-: processed: 1723664 of 1473984 frames (116.94%), 107.33 fps
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[10:34:00] lespiggot: hi, on low spec hardware (P3–733 Mhz, 256Mb ram) am I best to use a PVR350 to help free up the processor or is it not a major issue? don't have any PVR cards at the moment but the price differntial is about $40.
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[13:14:00] alexela: anyone have any experience with the pv350 ivtv-fb module?
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[14:15:00] CyberKnet: $DEITY bless screen. again.
[14:16:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[14:16:00] GreyFoxx: screen rocks
[14:17:00] Beirdo: life without screen would suck
[14:17:00] GreyFoxx: I use screen constantly
[14:17:00] brejc8: eh? Is this a cult I don't know about?
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: and all of the guys here I've shown it too are blown away that they didn't know about it before
[14:18:00] Beirdo: obviously :)
[14:18:00] Beirdo: I started using it in 1992
[14:18:00] Beirdo: heh
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: I was looking at mythgame last night, I'm thinking it needs some serious love before it's gonna be useful for me
[14:18:00] Beirdo: it's even sweeter over text-based dialup :)
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: I've been using it since around 94
[14:19:00] GreyFoxx: somewhere in that range
[14:19:00] Beirdo: well, GreyFoxx... I think you just gave yourself your next project :)
[14:19:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[14:19:00] GreyFoxx: Quite likely :)
[14:21:00] twisted_one: three cheers for screen!
[14:21:00] johnp_: there was some guy on the list attempting to fiddle with it, (Jochen ?)
[14:25:00] ** GreyFoxx curses some developers in his office and adds indexes to a database **
[14:25:00] ** Beirdo deletes 30 Trading Spaces he will never get to **
[14:30:00] ** twisted_one enjoys his first day of vacation **
[14:31:00] GreyFoxx: I wish
[14:31:00] bjohnson: Beirdo: who are you using for DIDs?
[14:31:00] GreyFoxx: so far I haven't booked any vacation this year
[14:32:00] Beirdo: Nufone for a MI number
[14:32:00] Beirdo: and thinktel.ca for a toll free
[14:32:00] Beirdo: and Bell Canada for POTS
[14:32:00] bjohnson: is the thinktel one voip?
[14:33:00] Beirdo: yep
[14:33:00] Beirdo: anyways, I gotta walk to work
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[14:41:00] brejc8: Has anyone given the recommendation patch a shot?
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[14:46:00] GreyFoxx: Not I
[14:46:00] CyberKnet: Not I
[14:46:00] CyberKnet: hell, I haven't even given CVS a try.
[14:46:00] GreyFoxx: though I think I'll be updating to CVS today, if I'm gonna mess with mythgame them I should be running cvs :)
[14:47:00] CyberKnet: I wonder what the most creative use of screen ever attempted was.
[14:47:00] GreyFoxx: I can't even imagine :)
[14:47:00] CyberKnet: There is just so much it can do.
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[14:50:00] CyberKnet: Hmmm... I think a screen cult would be a good idea.
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[15:10:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[15:10:00] Beirdo: stupid mornings
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[15:15:00] JonK: good morning
[15:15:00] JonK: have coffee
[15:15:00] brejc8: Its lovely here. Sun shining. Pollen everywhere.
[15:16:00] JonK: wah---choo!
[15:16:00] Beirdo: he's the one they call Dr. Feelgood..
[15:16:00] Beirdo: Motley Crue's as bad as GNR. can never be loud enough
[15:16:00] CyberKnet: Dr Feelgood was something different in australia.
[15:16:00] CyberKnet: yeesh.
[15:17:00] Beirdo: different?
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[15:17:00] CyberKnet: Dr, Feelgood was either on TV, or the radio.
[15:17:00] Beirdo: hhehe
[15:17:00] CyberKnet: seriously.
[15:17:00] Beirdo: drug peddlers on TV?
[15:17:00] CyberKnet: Sex show.
[15:17:00] Beirdo: ah
[15:17:00] Beirdo: the Motley Crue one's about drugs
[15:17:00] Beirdo: :)
[15:18:00] CyberKnet: ah.
[15:18:00] Beirdo: which they knew all about
[15:18:00] Beirdo: heh
[15:18:00] JonK: compile question: I've just started compiling myth from source — (1) I had to resolve 6 missing header files to get mythplugins to compile-- is this typical? (2) i notice that one of the compliler flags supplies "pentiumpro" as an architecture flag, but I'm running on an athlon XP — should this make me worry?
[15:19:00] Beirdo: JonK: why worry?
[15:19:00] JonK: be happy?
[15:19:00] Beirdo: if it works, it works
[15:19:00] JonK: becuase I'm passing an architecture flag specifiying an march I'm not running
[15:20:00] Beirdo: no you aren't
[15:20:00] Beirdo: the Athlon supports 100% of ppro instructions
[15:20:00] Beirdo: at least last I heard
[15:20:00] brejc8: PentiumPro code is fine on all architectures after AMD K6
[15:20:00] JonK: i know, but isn't there a specfic arch flag for AMD?
[15:20:00] brejc8: You can put it in but doesn't make much difference
[15:21:00] JonK: ok, just so long as it's not a problem
[15:21:00] brejc8: We did a lot of tests with different flags and often the AMD flag code run faster on the P4 and vice versa.
[15:21:00] Beirdo: you don't think the authors thought about it?
[15:23:00] JonK: I would be stunned if you hadn't
[15:24:00] JonK: but wanted to understand for my own knowledgs
[15:24:00] Beirdo: don't look at me :)
[15:24:00] Beirdo: hehe
[15:24:00] ** CyberKnet looks at Beirdo **
[15:24:00] ** Beirdo moons CyberKnet **
[15:24:00] JonK: -- It's been a couple years since I've written any code,
[15:24:00] CyberKnet: gah!
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[15:24:00] CyberKnet: that's the hairiest ass ever.
[15:24:00] CyberKnet: go get a trim at the barber... man.
[15:24:00] CyberKnet: sheesh
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[15:25:00] ** Beirdo slaps CyberKnet with a trout **
[15:25:00] CyberKnet: hey, at least it's not that hairy ass.
[15:25:00] CyberKnet: *shudder*
[15:25:00] JonK: where does mythweb install to?
[15:25:00] CyberKnet: JonK: on my system: /var/www/html/mythweb/
[15:25:00] brejc8: it doesn't
[15:26:00] brejc8: does it?
[15:26:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: *shrug*
[15:26:00] brejc8: lat me see#
[15:26:00] JonK: it doesnot appear to be in /var/www
[15:26:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: I'm also running from atrpms =P"
[15:26:00] Beirdo: it installs where you put it
[15:26:00] JonK: ok
[15:26:00] GeckoFiend: brejc8 if you had to resolve 6 missing header files then you appraently didn't read the docs and install the required libraries...
[15:26:00] JonK: that's me
[15:27:00] brejc8: I make a soft link from /var/www/html/mythtv to the CVS source directory
[15:27:00] JonK: and yes i installed them, when the compile borked
[15:27:00] GeckoFiend: sorry brejc8
[15:27:00] JonK: one by one
[15:27:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: Yeah, I've done that on occasion too.
[15:27:00] GeckoFiend: JonK you could have installed them all to start with...
[15:27:00] JonK: but then i wouldn't have to hunt things down in dselect
[15:28:00] ** GreyFoxx watches CVS compile and cheers it on **
[15:29:00] ** CyberKnet cheers for GreyFoxx's compile **
[15:30:00] CyberKnet: ever notice how cheering for a QT compile doesn't help? =P"
[15:30:00] Beirdo: kinda like cheering for the Toronto Maple Leafs
[15:30:00] CyberKnet: lmao
[15:30:00] GreyFoxx: I prefer to not think about it :) I just start it and leave it run. Come back much later :)
[15:30:00] CyberKnet: much, much, much later
[15:30:00] CyberKnet: ;))
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[15:31:00] Araldit: When compiling the kernel, is it still needed to disable PREEMPT in the kernel config. Im using a PVR-150, and am about to use their latest driver
[15:31:00] CyberKnet: Araldit: wrong channel
[15:31:00] CyberKnet: Araldit: #ivtv-devel
[15:33:00] Araldit: Yeah know, just thought that someone knew.. Not like there is a whole lot of action in here ;-)
[15:34:00] CyberKnet: Araldit: You've been here for three minutes.
[15:34:00] GreyFoxx: I don't remember ever disabling preempt
[15:34:00] GreyFoxx: and I've had no problems with it
[15:34:00] Araldit: k
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[15:42:00] JonK: where would i find documentation about commercial flagging, nobs are erroring out with error code 227
[15:43:00] JonK: jobs are erroring out that is
[15:43:00] Beirdo: same place as everything else
[15:43:00] Beirdo: the code
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[15:46:00] Baylink: Meanie... :-)
[15:47:00] Beirdo: what?
[15:47:00] Beirdo: it's not documented, read the code
[15:47:00] Beirdo: correct, Captain_Murdoch?
[15:47:00] Baylink: Yeah, I know: "version: 0.18".  :-)
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[15:49:00] Beirdo: ahhh. Motley Crue is definitely good wake-up music
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[15:59:00] maniacxs: is someone using myth's ability to fetch guide data over dvb?
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[16:00:00] Beirdo: I'm sure lots of someones are
[16:00:00] maniacxs: :) yes, but i hope to find someone got it working. because here it does not.
[16:01:00] shanon: Would anyone be able to give me some help ?
[16:01:00] shanon: I have everything setup but I cannot change channels through mythtv only through ptune
[16:01:00] JonK: I would think the cardsetup in mythtv-setup is out of whack them
[16:02:00] shanon: do you mean in myth-setup ?
[16:03:00] JonK: no, i mean mythtv-setup
[16:03:00] shanon: yeah that is what i meant
[16:03:00] JonK: ?
[16:04:00] shanon: just a sec opening
[16:05:00] shanon: The capture card section looks fine. I can see the tv through watch tv but I can only see the last channel I have set in ptune. i can't change them. All of the channels have been setup in the channel editor
[16:05:00] JonK: and the input section?
[16:07:00] shanon: The starting channel is set but it doesn't change the channel to it (It shows the current show for it though)
[16:07:00] shanon: capture device and input look right
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[16:31:00] JonK: bah-- I can't find anything about commercial flag error 227 anywhere, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[16:33:00] ** Beirdo points JonK back to the source **
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[16:35:00] k-man1: evening
[16:35:00] Beirdo: it's likely a path issue or something
[16:35:00] JonK: yes, but where searched the source files for mythbackend, mythjobqueue mythcommflag for the string 227 and not found anything
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[16:35:00] Beirdo: good morning, k-man
[16:35:00] k-man_: how are you?
[16:36:00] k-man_: so im still not sure what dvb-t card to get
[16:36:00] Beirdo: tired and don't wanna be at work... the usual
[16:36:00] k-man_: how does one choose something like thta?
[16:37:00] JonK: that could be, i've just moved over from pre-compiled binaries to building from source
[16:37:00] brejc8: There isn't much difference between them
[16:38:00] brejc8: As long as the drivers work they are nearly all based on the same chipset
[16:42:00] k-man_: brejc8, so how do i know which chipsets to go for? which ones have the best support?
[16:42:00] k-man_: and which ones can run 2–3 cards simultaneously?
[16:42:00] brejc8: Philips SAA711 or something and the CX88 ones
[16:42:00] brejc8: All are fine to run multiple cards
[16:43:00] socktie: anyone here using pcHDTV 3000's ?
[16:43:00] brejc8: I stick with the Happauge cards
[16:43:00] k-man_: so whatever is cheapest then?
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[16:44:00] k-man_: and what can one do with a dvb-s card?
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[16:44:00] brejc8: Unless they are badly made and the chips fall off then yeah.
[16:44:00] shanon: ok got it working with mythfilldatabase --manual
[16:45:00] k-man_: brejc8, do any of them have any kind of hardware acceleration?
[16:46:00] JonK: I hate it when that happens, I had a graphics card, where the heat sync melted the glue holding it to the GPU
[16:46:00] brejc8: k-man_: What hardware acceleration. The DVB cards just read the ready compressed MPEG strea,
[16:46:00] JonK: err... gpu melted the glue holding the heat sync
[16:47:00] k-man_: brejc8, oh... ok
[16:47:00] k-man_: so basicaly when you watch it, your just watching the uncompressed stream?
[16:47:00] brejc8: yeah
[16:47:00] k-man_: so your cpu has to do the uncompressing work?
[16:47:00] brejc8: yeah
[16:48:00] k-man_: so capturing cpu usage should be fairly minimal?
[16:48:00] brejc8: But the gfx cards have scaling support so the cpu only uses 10%
[16:48:00] brejc8: 2% or so for capturing
[16:48:00] k-man_: oh, i see
[16:48:00] k-man_: right
[16:48:00] k-man_: cool
[16:48:00] brejc8: On mine it can go up to 5% when recording on 2 cards
[16:50:00] k-man_: nice
[16:50:00] k-man_: what cards do you use?
[16:50:00] brejc8: Happauge WIN-TV dvb-t ones
[16:50:00] brejc8: two generations
[16:51:00] brejc8: SAA and CX chipsets
[16:51:00] k-man_: oh, interesting
[16:51:00] k-man_: are they good?
[16:52:00] brejc8: Seem fine. They just do the job. There isn't anything you can do to make them good/bad
[16:52:00] brejc8: They do very little. Just stream the data.
[16:53:00] k-man_: oh
[16:53:00] k-man_: ok
[16:53:00] k-man_: couldn't one be better than the other at dealingwith weak signals? or errors in the stream?
[16:54:00] brejc8: Oh maybe but they both pick up good reception even when my normal set top box breaks up.
[16:54:00] k-man_: oh, thats good
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[16:57:00] gr8nash: heh... hi all
[16:58:00] JonK: hi
[16:58:00] brejc8: hi
[16:59:00] k-man_: i heard you can use an xbox as a myth fe, is that true?
[16:59:00] Beirdo: no....
[16:59:00] Beirdo: of course it is
[16:59:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:59:00] riksta: anyone here use fedora?
[16:59:00] Beirdo: nothing google couldn't find
[16:59:00] Beirdo: riksta: why?
[17:00:00] riksta: just wondering, am helping to set up a box, but you know the yum package management system, how can i find out if say psotfix has been compiled with mysql and sasl support in the binary?
[17:00:00] riksta: or do i just take it that it's a plain postfix, and i have to compile it myself
[17:00:00] gr8nash: Beirdo, i have finaly got asterisk tamed!!
[17:00:00] gr8nash: its works way cool!
[17:00:00] riksta: gr8nash: good news, yeah it's cool huh :)
[17:00:00] gr8nash: IPSwich works awsome on windows boxes as well
[17:00:00] Beirdo: coolness
[17:01:00] riksta: gr8nash: try out my app ADM for linux (its a big dodgy but its ok :)
[17:01:00] riksta: i'll get round to fixing it up properly soon
[17:01:00] k-man_: ahh... well, apparantly one can...
[17:01:00] k-man_: i kind of like that idea
[17:01:00] k-man_: i might buy an xbox just so i could run it as an fe
[17:01:00] riksta: Beirdo: so do you know the answer to my question
[17:02:00] riksta: k-man_: wait till the new consoles are out and pick one off ebay :)
[17:02:00] socktie: k-man_, it works surprisingly well
[17:02:00] Beirdo: riksta: dunno
[17:02:00] Beirdo: ldd might be able to tell ya
[17:03:00] socktie: riksta, there should be build information in the package or description of it
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[17:03:00] k-man_: riksta, yeah... when is the new xbox supposed to be coming out?
[17:04:00] riksta: few months i think
[17:04:00] k-man_: cool
[17:04:00] riksta: socktie: how do i see it?
[17:04:00] socktie: xbox360 heh
[17:04:00] k-man_: socktie, yeah? have you tried it?
[17:05:00] socktie: riksta, it's not turned on by default in fedora rpm's
[17:05:00] socktie: k-man_, friend of mine has. it's pretty cool, since he has a wifi bridge (802.11g)
[17:05:00] Beirdo: wow
[17:05:00] Beirdo: that's amazing
[17:05:00] Beirdo: usually Fedora turns on everything whether or not you want it
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[17:06:00] riksta: if i do a yum search i get some info nothing mentions mysql so i guess im buggered :)
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[17:07:00] Beirdo: morning, xris
[17:07:00] socktie: riksta, you could try a google search for yum postfix mysql compile options
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[17:07:00] riksta: yeah i am ;)
[17:07:00] xris: morning
[17:08:00] socktie: riksta, are you FC3?
[17:08:00] riksta: yes
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[17:16:00] socktie: oh anyway
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[17:16:00] socktie: riksta, maybe rpm -qi <package name> sometimes works, if they put the info in
[17:17:00] riksta: cool, i've resorted to compiling it by hand
[17:17:00] riksta: gentoo rocks for stuff like that
[17:17:00] riksta: USE='mysql sasl ssl' emerge postfix
[17:17:00] riksta: all done
[17:17:00] Manolis: Would somone take a look at this please? http://www.perdignus.com/BlueSpecks.jpg
[17:17:00] Manolis: Can these blue specks be controlled with xvattr?
[17:18:00] GreyFoxx: Do those specks only show during video playback?
[17:18:00] GreyFoxx: Looks like an LCD with "hot" pixels
[17:19:00] Manolis: Yes, mostly visible when there is a black or dark backgound
[17:19:00] socktie: are they always the same?
[17:19:00] Manolis: The picture is from a TV, but I see the same thing on my monitor
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[17:19:00] Manolis: No, it's like static, moves all over, but they are mostly vertical
[17:19:00] GreyFoxx: Weird, what sort of capture card ?
[17:20:00] Manolis: I get them using mplayer -vo xv too, but not with mplayer -vo gl
[17:20:00] Manolis: which leads me to believe it's an xv issue?
[17:20:00] GreyFoxx: good guess
[17:20:00] GreyFoxx: Weird though, I've never seen that before.
[17:20:00] Manolis: Capture card is an ATI TV Wonder, but I seem them with video files that weren't captured by me too
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[17:20:00] GreyFoxx: Got another video card around to test with?
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[17:21:00] Manolis: Not as nice, if a GeForce4 MX 4000 is nice ;)
[17:21:00] socktie: hey now
[17:21:00] socktie: that's what I have
[17:21:00] Manolis: I could try an ATI radeon card that I have
[17:22:00] GreyFoxx: I use GF4 MX440's and they are all fine
[17:22:00] GreyFoxx: Manolis: You said you saw it on a monitor, so even if you just use the ATI to test output to a monitor it would be interesting
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[17:22:00] GreyFoxx: tried different versions of the Nvidia drivers?
[17:22:00] Manolis: sorry, I do like my card, just thought it was towards the bottom of the barrel
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: maybe if you are a gamer who requires an $700 card for games
[17:23:00] socktie: man screw that heh
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: but for this it should be more than sufficient as long as the TV looks good
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[17:23:00] Manolis: GreyFoxx – I've seen it in all versions of the nVidia drivers
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: Manolis: How old is the card? Can you return it if it's faulty ?:)
[17:24:00] Manolis: It's just that I don't see it with mplayer -vo gl, so I was hoping I could use GL for MythTV?
[17:24:00] Manolis: GreyFoxx: It's past warranty for sure
[17:24:00] GreyFoxx: Manolis: No, the video playback is done via xv
[17:25:00] GreyFoxx: Give the ATI a shot if only out of curiousity
[17:25:00] Manolis: Sounds like a plan, thanks for your help
[17:25:00] GreyFoxx: Aren't the MX4000's relatively new? Maybe you can seek a replacement from the manufactuoror
[17:25:00] GreyFoxx: man, I never spell that right
[17:26:00] socktie: no they aren't new heh
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[17:26:00] GreyFoxx: Me to anything less than 1.5 years old is new, and I thought they were less than that... but whatever :)
[17:26:00] LostSole: I have a question: just did ran "ps -ef |grep mythtv" and saw mythtv running gpg-agent --daemon. I can't find any mention of this in the documentation or through a google search – any idea why this is going on?
[17:27:00] GreyFoxx: LostSole: Uhhh, the mythtv process or the mythtv user ?
[17:27:00] socktie: HACKERS
[17:27:00] GreyFoxx: Cause there is no reason the mythtv/mythfrontend would use that
[17:28:00] LostSole: GreyFoxx: the mythtv user seems to be running it.
[17:28:00] GreyFoxx: oh joy, it's lame conference call time
[17:28:00] GreyFoxx: lost. There is no mythtv related reason
[17:28:00] socktie: LostSole, you sure it's not started for some other program your desktop environment runs?
[17:30:00] LostSole: socktie: I'm not sure – I'm googling around to find more info about it, but am having a hard time tracking down what else would use it... gdm? apache?
[17:31:00] socktie: email clients?
[17:31:00] maniacxs: kde has agent-startup files.
[17:31:00] maniacxs: check X config
[17:31:00] socktie: LostSole, do you use KMail? it uses it
[17:31:00] maniacxs: (includes gdm)
[17:33:00] maniacxs: socktie: think he does not with mythtv user.
[17:33:00] LostSole: socktie: no, I don't use KMail. I'll check the X config. (uhm, that wouldn't be /etc/xorg.conf ... where would that be...)
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[17:34:00] maniacxs: lostsole: look for xsession xinit something like that. look in ~mythtv/ ,too
[17:35:00] LostSole: thanks maniacxs – I'll check that out.
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[17:54:00] LostSole: maniacxs: I checked out ~mythtv/.xsession (it just starts mythtfrontend), and I checked out various /etc/X11/xinit and xsession files, and it doesn't look like there are any clues there. I'll take a look around some more, and see what I can figure out. Thanks for your help , everyone.
[17:54:00] socktie: LostSole, why is it a big deal?
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[17:57:00] LostSole: socktie: was just curious why the mythtv user was doing something that seemed to me to be strange.
[17:57:00] twisted_one: anyone know what no_black_magic does?
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[17:58:00] socktie: LostSole, ah
[18:00:00] twisted_one: when I modprobe cx25840 it fails and dmesg shows... cx25840: Unknown parameter `no_black_magic'
[18:00:00] twisted_one: well this is on a friends machine, Im trying to help him set up his pvr-500
[18:00:00] twisted_one: I have that enabled on mine and I dont have any issues
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[18:07:00] CyberKnet: twisted_one: I'm pretty sure no_black_magic is deprecated
[18:07:00] twisted_one: CyberKnet: I have been hearing that, but my logic is that I have it on my card and its working and we both have the exact same hardware
[18:07:00] twisted_one: and when we remove it...
[18:07:00] CyberKnet: twisted_one: you both have different source for your drivers, it would seem.
[18:07:00] twisted_one: hrmm
[18:08:00] twisted_one: thats possible
[18:08:00] kernoman: anyone reccomend a good freeview card for use with yth in the UK?
[18:08:00] twisted_one: I have .36b
[18:08:00] twisted_one: hes got like .36j or something
[18:08:00] CyberKnet: twisted_one: of course it is possible.
[18:08:00] twisted_one: cat /dev/video > test.mpg results in a blank screen but the file is of proper length
[18:08:00] CyberKnet: twisted_one: there you go. it was disabled between 36b and 36j
[18:08:00] CyberKnet: so it would seem.
[18:08:00] twisted_one: I didnt see it in the changelog
[18:08:00] CyberKnet: twisted_one: does it work on 36j?
[18:09:00] twisted_one: dont know, having him go with same driver version as me
[18:09:00] twisted_one: kernoman: just ask =P
[18:09:00] kernoman: ask what?
[18:09:00] twisted_one: you did a /version on me
[18:09:00] CyberKnet: twisted_one: it doesn't work on 36j, you just said it returns "unknown parameter".
[18:10:00] kernoman: yep im just pressing buttons, new to irc and konversation
[18:10:00] twisted_one: ah, hehe
[18:10:00] CyberKnet: kernoman: fyi, just pressing buttons is a dangerous habit.
[18:10:00] twisted_one: kernoman: FYI, i encourage it =P
[18:10:00] twisted_one: esp the big red kind
[18:10:00] kernoman: hehe
[18:11:00] CyberKnet: twisted_one: Yes, but you also dont grok that if a parameter is present in one version, and missing in another version, that it was deprecated in between the two versions somewhere =)
[18:12:00] twisted_one: ok
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[18:12:00] kernoman: im about to click on the part button...whats it do.. cant resist...
[18:12:00] CyberKnet: kernoman: heh
[18:12:00] twisted_one: lol
[18:12:00] kernoman: :)
[18:13:00] kernoman: so whats new in the world of mythtv?
[18:13:00] twisted_one: bombs
[18:14:00] kernoman: ?
[18:14:00] twisted_one: i have no idea
[18:14:00] kernoman: any plugins to reccommend?
[18:14:00] CyberKnet: twisted_one: hmm... like removing "no_black_magic"
[18:14:00] twisted_one: how the heck do I become a member of the mythtv-users list?
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[18:15:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users/
[18:15:00] kernoman: thats a very good resource
[18:15:00] twisted_one: im subscribed
[18:15:00] twisted_one: but I cant post to it
[18:16:00] GreyFoxx: Then you likely didn't confirm your subscription
[18:16:00] GreyFoxx: Or you are posting from a different address than you subscribed with
[18:16:00] twisted_one: bah, ok.
[18:19:00] CyberKnet: twisted_one: are you posting this ivtv question to the mythtv-users list?
[18:19:00] twisted_one: yes
[18:19:00] CyberKnet: *blink*
[18:19:00] CyberKnet: I dont suppose it occured to you to try the ... IVTV list?
[18:20:00] twisted_one: lol
[18:20:00] CyberKnet: or even *search* the ivtv archives?
[18:20:00] CyberKnet: or do _anything_ to try to resolve your situation other than "Oh, this older version worked, this new one should work the same way!" ?
[18:20:00] CyberKnet: I mean, I'm just curious is all.
[18:21:00] twisted_one: o
[18:21:00] twisted_one: lol
[18:21:00] twisted_one: well
[18:21:00] twisted_one: hes got the same version as I do now and its still not working
[18:21:00] kernoman: is the new nvidia driver any better at TV Out?
[18:21:00] twisted_one: but I shall look for those resources
[18:22:00] twisted_one: is there another list besides the devel list?
[18:24:00] CyberKnet: twisted_one: how about kernel version?
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[18:25:00] CyberKnet: kernoman: dunno, I dont use nvidia TV out
[18:26:00] bassfish: does mythtv support multiple sources? like i have cable input for channels and i also want to see my directv music channels in the guide ?
[18:26:00] bassfish: is that possible?
[18:26:00] CyberKnet: bassfish: yes
[18:26:00] CyberKnet: bassfish: you have different capture cards, and each capture card is associated with a video source
[18:27:00] CyberKnet: bassfish: so it handles it just fine. Good to hear, isn't it? =)
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[18:27:00] bassfish: hehe yes thats a nice feature, so i will need a second capture card i guess
[18:28:00] twisted_one: CyberKnet: well based on what I am seeing it should work and it is required for the pvr-500 cards
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[18:42:00] socktie: any pcHDTV 3000 users here?
[18:43:00] xris: socktie: the more appropriate question is "are they awake?"
[18:44:00] socktie: ah heh
[18:44:00] socktie: i can't figure out what I changed to go from working audio on both cards, so just one card working only through line-in
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[18:48:00] LostSole: socktie: heh, I've got a hd-3000, but I don't think I could help you. :P
[18:48:00] socktie: no one can, it seems
[18:49:00] socktie: oh well it works fine for now... but i'd like to record some shows that occur at the same time
[18:50:00] socktie: LostSole, do you use your hd-3000?
[18:51:00] socktie: and how does a fish get lost?
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[18:52:00] GeckoFiend: socktie I have a 3k
[18:52:00] LostSole: socktie: Yes, and sonar problems. :)
[18:53:00] socktie: GeckoFiend, do you have audio through your line-in jack or from the hd3k itself?
[18:53:00] GeckoFiend: socktie wht is your 3k card hooked to your line in anyway?
[18:53:00] GeckoFiend: from the 3k
[18:53:00] socktie: GeckoFiend, it's done that way because otherwise it won't record the audio... for some reason
[18:53:00] socktie: LostSole, heh sonar problems
[18:53:00] GeckoFiend: socktie heh you need to fix that problem first and foremost
[18:54:00] socktie: GeckoFiend, yes but i can't figure out what I did to break it in the first place
[18:54:00] GeckoFiend: there is no reason it shouldn't work. sounds like you borked the driver install
[18:54:00] gr8nash: GeckoFiend, have you looked at dofstras myxer script?
[18:54:00] gr8nash: very cool idea!!
[18:55:00] LostSole: socktie: I've got mine set up through my line-in too. I think. I did a lot of messing around with the alsa-mixer to get mythtv's sound to work for me.
[18:55:00] socktie: GeckoFiend, do you use it as a DVB?
[18:56:00] gr8nash: i use my 3k as dvb
[18:56:00] gr8nash: works fine
[18:57:00] socktie: huh
[18:57:00] socktie: knoppmyth must be causing problems then
[18:57:00] ** gr8nash uses knoppmyth.... **
[18:57:00] gr8nash: but i changed the kernel for fun
[18:57:00] socktie: yea i think i should upgrade the kernel, i've done so much otherwise to it
[18:57:00] gr8nash: but i have serveral knoppmyth boxes running stock with 3k's cards
[18:58:00] socktie: i get tired of doing that shit, though, since it's my job too
[18:58:00] GeckoFiend: gr8nash I've not looked at it, but it's a good idea. The new UI stuff will support what he's doing right in the frontend since layout and appearnce will be different
[18:58:00] gr8nash: socktie, what version
[18:58:00] socktie: gr8nash, and they work fine? :(
[18:58:00] GeckoFiend: socktie I use the vendor drivers
[18:58:00] gr8nash: yep.. i have 5 hd 3k all running knoppmyth
[18:58:00] gr8nash: only my main box is altered
[18:58:00] socktie: gr8nash, kernel ver 2.6.9... cant remember what version of knoppmyth
[18:59:00] gr8nash: thats old
[18:59:00] gr8nash: you need the new one
[18:59:00] gr8nash: a16 or at least a15
[18:59:00] gr8nash: but you should use a16 they use the dvb driver
[19:00:00] socktie: yea thats kinda what i figured
[19:00:00] ** gr8nash recomends socktie stop playing with it and upgrade **
[19:00:00] socktie: heh
[19:00:00] gr8nash: i have done it on 5 boxes now =) so i know it works perfect
[19:00:00] socktie: i will, when i figure out why myth doesn't like my laptop as a front end
[19:00:00] socktie: i upgraded to .18 and no longer get audio
[19:01:00] socktie: general sorts of failure for me, i should go back to programming hehe
[19:01:00] gr8nash: .. heh.. you could also just upgrade the kernel.. to .12-rc (whatever they are on)
[19:02:00] gr8nash: im using 2.6.12-rc2 on my dev box..the rest are stock
[19:02:00] LostSole: socktie: not that it matters much, but I've got a HD3k running mythtv 0.17 on Ubuntu-amd64, with vendor drivers.
[19:02:00] gr8nash: whatever seems easier to you.
[19:02:00] socktie: LostSole, yea I run ubuntu on my laptop, installed myth from source though
[19:06:00] LostSole: socktie: well cool. I've been thinking about trying to build from source 0.18 packages, but I'm not sure I want to mess with what's working now. :)
[19:07:00] jsldub: im trying to compile linuxtv-dbb, bit there's a build error. something about no rule to make target /lib/mod../2.6.../build/Rules.make
[19:07:00] jsldub: any ideas?
[19:07:00] bjohnson: could someone tell me how to extract a mpg from a bin/cue pair on linux?
[19:08:00] jsldub: oops. that was linuxtv.dvb
[19:08:00] gr8nash: source isnt any harder then packages..
[19:08:00] socktie: LostSole, hehe. I did and look where it got me :(
[19:08:00] socktie: my audio doesn't work on my laptop
[19:08:00] socktie: (which is my front end)
[19:08:00] ** gr8nash uses 100% source for myth **
[19:09:00] GreyFoxx: Oh isn't this special, mythbackend segfaults as soon as I connect via mythweb
[19:09:00] socktie: gr8nash, yea but i don't know why it can't find an audio driver now that i went to .18 but .17 package was fine
[19:10:00] gr8nash: not sure.. maybe a bad package..
[19:10:00] gr8nash: no clue
[19:10:00] LostSole: socktie: well good luck.
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[19:13:00] sphing: anyone know bout mythtv and clustering?
[19:14:00] iggy: clustering mythtv?
[19:14:00] iggy: sounds kinky
[19:15:00] kormoc: mythtv already supports having multiple backends and all that
[19:15:00] kormoc: unless you want a whole bunch of computers to work on certain videos?
[19:15:00] iggy: that's not exactly clustering
[19:16:00] gr8nash: why would you cluster myth??
[19:16:00] kormoc: it has all the avantages of certain types of clustering.
[19:16:00] gr8nash: to use timestretch at 5x
[19:16:00] iggy: s/all/some/
[19:16:00] gr8nash: with HD TV
[19:16:00] iggy: mmm, timestretched HD
[19:16:00] gr8nash: my 3.2 can timestretch HD to 1.5x
[19:17:00] gr8nash: 1.7 starts getting wierd.. if i remember right
[19:17:00] iggy: over 1.3 is annoying to me
[19:18:00] GreyFoxx: I tend to use 1.4 or 1.5. Assuming the GF isn't watching too
[19:18:00] sphing: well like say you have 3 P2 boards
[19:19:00] socktie: heh
[19:19:00] socktie: so you want to take a bunch of old computers and make a pvr
[19:19:00] iggy: just get hardware encoder cards
[19:19:00] iggy: you'll save so much headache
[19:19:00] sphing: socktie: yea.. essentially
[19:19:00] socktie: sphing, do what iggy said hehe
[19:20:00] sphing: iggy: any good ones?
[19:20:00] iggy: and with the 150's, the price is not that much different
[19:20:00] socktie: i think trying to cluster would be a bad way to go... there are good uses and bad uses for clusters
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[19:20:00] Kronuz: hello :)
[19:20:00] iggy: the hauppauge cards seem to be the popular ones right now for just plain analog
[19:21:00] Kronuz: hey, what's used to play DVDs?
[19:21:00] sphing: socktie: basically 2 friends of mine have like 4 extra boards... and they want to make a cluster...
[19:21:00] Kronuz: (to make MythTV work as a DVD player)
[19:21:00] socktie: sphing, yea i'd say make a cluster for... folding@home or something hehe
[19:21:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: Like I told you the other day, whatever app you tell Myth to use. B y default it will call xine
[19:21:00] GreyFoxx: You configure a commandline in myth and that is what is executed to play a DVD
[19:21:00] sphing: socktie: lol... i think they want something cooler
[19:22:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: that's what I meant :P (the default)
[19:22:00] socktie: gr8nash, so knoppmyth release 5 a16 is what you use?
[19:22:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: thanks :)
[19:22:00] iggy: sphing: you can't really do it like that because dvd players are (effectively) single threaded
[19:22:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: Merely looking at the mythdvd setup menu would have told you that
[19:22:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: I don't have it installed right now yet :(
[19:22:00] GreyFoxx: i c
[19:23:00] socktie: iggy, i think it would work for myth and tv though
[19:23:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: I'm building everything :)
[19:23:00] Kronuz: (from scratch)
[19:23:00] socktie: sphing, so just build the cluster and find out! report back!
[19:23:00] Kronuz: MythTV from scratch (including the OS)
[19:23:00] GreyFoxx: What exactly are you clustering though
[19:23:00] iggy: socktie: what do you mean for myth and tv?
[19:23:00] GreyFoxx: Making the other boards as slave backends? have them do comflagging ?
[19:23:00] sphing: no they just want a cool project with clustering.. i had the myth idea
[19:24:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz heh that's what i'm doing now myself
[19:24:00] socktie: to cluster the encoding, if he doesn't buy a hardware encoder
[19:24:00] gr8nash: A16 i have and a15
[19:24:00] Kronuz: GeckoFiend: good :)
[19:24:00] GreyFoxx: socktie: Good luck with the major code rewrite and likely waste of time
[19:24:00] Kronuz: GeckoFiend: r u ivtv?
[19:24:00] CyberKnet: *shudder* windows based ATM
[19:24:00] socktie: GreyFoxx, i'm not doing it
[19:25:00] GreyFoxx: Same for sphing. It's a ridiculous amount of work for something that would likely not work very well
[19:25:00] sphing: haha...alright
[19:25:00] sphing: just an idea
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[19:25:00] SarahEmm: hihi
[19:26:00] socktie: sphing, what's "cooler" than seti or folding? =D
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: You could certainly make the other boxes do some jobs like transcoding, or comflagging, and all that
[19:26:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: what about videos playback, what's the default?
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: mplayer I believe
[19:26:00] iggy: I used to make dvd::rip/transcode break things up, and distribute them
[19:26:00] iggy: the audio was _always_ out of sync
[19:27:00] GreyFoxx: Or at least that is what it use to default to, it might default to the internal player now
[19:27:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: internal player?
[19:27:00] Kronuz: when did this happen?
[19:28:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: With mythvideo you have the option of using the mythtv internal player instead of calling an external app
[19:28:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: there's no internal DVD player, right?
[19:28:00] GreyFoxx: Correct as far as I know
[19:28:00] gr8nash: ahh good.. my 8 terribytes arrived
[19:28:00] gr8nash: >=)
[19:29:00] iggy: hope you have a seperate circuit for that
[19:29:00] Kronuz: "The end draws near...
[19:29:00] Kronuz: "
[19:29:00] gr8nash: lol.. its not for myth.. ..but i did love pretending for a moment
[19:30:00] gr8nash: =(
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[19:30:00] gr8nash: 40 .. 200 gig drives
[19:30:00] Kronuz: ...that end is worrying me :S
[19:30:00] iggy: how many computers is that going in?
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[19:30:00] Kronuz: (about ffmpeg)
[19:31:00] Araldi1: Anyone managed to compile myth gallery with exif enabled? Im using Debain testing, but need to meet a dependency. Which package does it depend on? It doesn't say on the documents
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[19:32:00] socktie: Araldi1, what's the error
[19:32:00] gr8nash: iggy, there are hotswapable drives for a USB 2.0 enclosure used in lue of tapes for backup
[19:32:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz The machine I'm building now is based on the LV-667T, it'll havea 5th gen air2pc in it when it's done.
[19:32:00] ** SarahEmm still likes tapes for backups... **
[19:32:00] gr8nash: =P
[19:32:00] gr8nash: yuck
[19:32:00] Beirdo: tapes rule
[19:32:00] socktie: old school
[19:32:00] gr8nash: not even close
[19:33:00] SarahEmm: cheaper than magnetic media and more durable in my experience.
[19:33:00] SarahEmm: err
[19:33:00] Beirdo: gr8nash: you are a silly wanker
[19:33:00] Araldi1: socktie: /usr/include/libexif/exif-entry.h:58: error: too few arguments to function `
[19:33:00] Araldi1: const char* exif_entry_get_value(ExifEntry*, char*, unsigned int)'
[19:33:00] SarahEmm: hard drive type of magnetic media
[19:33:00] gr8nash: while your rewinding im done..
[19:33:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:33:00] SarahEmm: obviously tapes are also magnetic...
[19:33:00] gr8nash: =)
[19:33:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz for video / DVD playabck you can use Myth's internal code if you're using CVS
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: Tapes suck due to speed and data size. But I still trust them for all my stuff
[19:33:00] SarahEmm: gr8nash: and i have a set of 25 tapes that i can offsite easilly each week.
[19:33:00] gr8nash: same with removable hotswap hard drives
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: GeckoFiend: For DVD as well now? Cool
[19:33:00] SarahEmm: GreyFoxx: data size? we're up to >200GB on a tape...
[19:33:00] Beirdo: and that will live longer than the average harddrive if you treat them well
[19:33:00] socktie: Araldi1, looks like the version of libexif you have installed isn't the version myth expects
[19:33:00] iggy: different strokes for different folks or whatever
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: SarahEmm: Still too small :)
[19:33:00] SarahEmm: which yeah, is still not as big as drives, but..
[19:34:00] SarahEmm: GreyFoxx: okay :) i wish bigger tapes were cheaper...
[19:34:00] GreyFoxx: My biggest beef is how slow it is to read or write to a tape
[19:34:00] SarahEmm: i only back up a bit of stuff here because i can only afford DDS... a nice LTO2 drive would be nice but well into 4 digits for a drive and high 2 digits per tape means i'm using DDS :)
[19:34:00] GreyFoxx: but I still use them daily :_)
[19:34:00] GeckoFiend: GreyFoxx yeah it's main title only right now, becasue I've been side tracked with work, but I'll get the menu stuff in there soon I think
[19:34:00] SarahEmm: GreyFoxx: yeah, no real way around that with sequential. LTO's not bad..
[19:34:00] Kronuz: GeckoFiend: it handles menues and everything?
[19:34:00] Araldi1: socktie: Yeah, looks like it. Do you have it included in myth? And which version of libexif are you then using?
[19:34:00] Beirdo: I'm using 8mm (Exabyte 8505XL)
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[19:34:00] GreyFoxx: GeckoFiend: Sweet, that will be nice to have built in
[19:34:00] Beirdo: and DDS3 if I choose to
[19:35:00] Kronuz: GeckoFiend: that's great :)
[19:35:00] GeckoFiend: GreyFoxx I *really* like our playback engine better than xine and mplayer for videos / DVDs
[19:35:00] GeckoFiend: at least on my 16x9 LCD
[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: heh
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[19:35:00] socktie: Araldi1, no, sadly, I don't use it. Try upgrading your libexif-dev package though
[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: I find using the internal player with mythvideo looks "odd" if the video is 16x9
[19:36:00] Araldi1: Well for the time beeing, I can live without it, and just compile it without. But thx socktie
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: but I've spent 0 time looking at why
[19:36:00] Kronuz: but hey, what codecs will MythTV internal pvideo player support?
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: Anything ffmpeg does
[19:36:00] Kronuz: cool, what about the DLLs like mplayer?
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: "anything ffmpeg does"
[19:37:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: heh
[19:37:00] Kronuz: ffmpeg doesn't support windows dlls, does it?
[19:37:00] GreyFoxx: Myth uses ffmpeg internal for it's decoder library
[19:37:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: i'm running a DDS3 changer, works well and i only have to shuffle tapes every 5 days... then the old batch goes offsite, the rest stay onsite
[19:37:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: I don't think it does, but you can check their site to be sure
[19:37:00] Beirdo: nice
[19:37:00] Beirdo: I run weekly
[19:37:00] Beirdo: never bothered with a changer
[19:37:00] CyberKnet: SarahEmm: sweet. let me know when you want to get rid of that DDS3 changer. heh
[19:37:00] SarahEmm: ahh.. i run nightly
[19:37:00] Kronuz: hey, mythtv is just getting better and better :)
[19:37:00] SarahEmm: CyberKnet: they're not expensive.
[19:38:00] GreyFoxx: I use to have changer at home, but now it runs at the colo location and get moved offsite into asafe daily
[19:38:00] CyberKnet: SarahEmm: Not too, no.
[19:38:00] SarahEmm: GreyFoxx: ahh. my colo location is at my workplace, and since we rotate tapes for ~30 customers, i got myself on that list too. so they change my tapes in the colo box for me every day :)
[19:38:00] Kronuz: GeckoFiend: what are you using for dvd menues libdvdnav or custom made?
[19:38:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: amusing anecdote, a previous employer thought they could just put tapes in a fireproof safe that was rated for paper.... d'oh. =)
[19:38:00] GreyFoxx: My colo is at my old work place :) My old boss pops the tapes from my machine each day :)
[19:39:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz libdvdnav
[19:39:00] GreyFoxx: along with his old tapes
[19:39:00] Kronuz: GeckoFiend: cool :)
[19:39:00] GreyFoxx: old = own
[19:39:00] ** SarahEmm 's offsites from colo box come home with me, offsites from home go to work and live with the colo box :) **
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[19:39:00] GreyFoxx: GeckoFiend: Will it allow playback of DVD's ripped to the HD as well as off a disc ?
[19:40:00] GeckoFiend: GreyFoxx yep as isos or just raw disk dumps to a directory
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[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: I backup via rsync home stuff to colo, colo to home (hd only) and they get rsynced to my old bosses house and off to tape
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: The tape is in the colo office though of course
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: GeckoFiend: Cool. Ummm support for libdvdcss if it's installed ?:)
[19:40:00] Kronuz: hey, you know what I've been thinking MythTV is missing, or at least not sure it's simple enought to do... a way to record stuff from TV in a VCR like fashion (like if you suddenly see something you want to record, you just press the record button)
[19:41:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: Uhhh it's called the R button
[19:41:00] GreyFoxx: or r
[19:41:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: is that being maintained again? neat. Last I heard it got axed because it was always broke, and nobody wanted to maintain it.
[19:41:00] gr8nash: GeckoFiend, any idea how the "Internal" player can be used for various codecs.. i still cant get mine to work..but with a few of my movies
[19:41:00] Kronuz: but I tried to use it the las time I had MythTV installed, and it was weird to use...
[19:41:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: No idea, but I know al the apps I use to play DVD's use it :)
[19:42:00] Kronuz: (the r button)
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: I've used it a few times, but it's rare for me to watch livetv so it's not often I use it
[19:42:00] jsldub: what is all this dvb stuff, and is it really nessesary for someone to just use myhtv to just wach tv and movies? i just dong get it
[19:42:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: the dvd player apps use R for record?
[19:42:00] Kronuz: how do you stop recording once you've pressed 'r'?
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: jsldub: dvb is not required no
[19:42:00] jsldub: lol. i said dong. dont i mean
[19:43:00] jsldub: GreyFoxx: USE="-dvb" emerge mythtv ?
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: I thought you were referring to libdvdcss
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: sorry
[19:43:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: aah. hehe =)
[19:43:00] GeckoFiend: gr8nash I've not had issues but I don't use anything beyond MPEG2 and Xvid.
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: jsldub: It's not required if you are not using a dvb capture card
[19:43:00] jsldub: i mean, i have a bt878, no dvb driver has been written.
[19:43:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I didn't even see your comment about that =)
[19:43:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: with r you record whatever you're watching (even if you backforwarded liveTV, it records what you're seeing)?
[19:44:00] CyberKnet: or I would have had a better idea what you meant =)
[19:44:00] GeckoFiend: GreyFoxx libdvdnav supports dyanmicly loading decss so yes
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: GeckoFiend: Sweet
[19:44:00] Dibblah: Hmmm... Anyone know if there's a timeout for "bad" channels in the DVB channel scan?
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: All I ever do is hit r, and it starts recording.
[19:44:00] jsldub: GreyFoxx: thanks for the help man
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: jsldub: My dvb card has a bt878 chip on it :)
[19:45:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: I think it would be grat to have an optional small red blinking circle somewhere in the screen when MythTV is recording
[19:45:00] Dibblah: Mine too.
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: Is it a regular capture card or are you puloing dish stuff
[19:45:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: ('cause it gets confusing to use, sincerelly)
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: Oh god that would be uggly
[19:45:00] bjohnson: I've tried bin2iso and bchunk but I can't seem to mount the isos to get the mpgs out of them. Any tips I should know about?
[19:45:00] jsldub: GreyFoxx: but what makes a dvb card different from just a generic bt878
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: But something indicating ti on the OSD info screen would be useful
[19:45:00] Dibblah: It's not a capture card, as such.
[19:45:00] gr8nash: GeckoFiend, ahh.. knoppmyth for whatever reason cant transcode movies (from dvd) .. it can only rip in "perfect" quality..
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: which it might already do
[19:46:00] gr8nash: so i encode them with Divx in windows (the crowd is silent)
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[19:46:00] GreyFoxx: jsldub: The source/tuner is the main different
[19:46:00] gr8nash: yes its true i use windows..
[19:46:00] Kronuz: so, I guess I should be getting MythTV from the CVS now :P
[19:46:00] jsldub: GreyFoxx: so would i be able to do things like record tv with the generic 878?
[19:47:00] gr8nash: Kronuz, what type of card do you use?
[19:47:00] SarahEmm: i use an 878! :o)
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: jsldub: Assuming it's not a dvb card, then I would imagine so
[19:47:00] SarahEmm: plain old software MPEG4 encoding from a bttv 878 card
[19:47:00] SarahEmm: works great
[19:47:00] Kronuz: gr8nash: WinTV PVR 350
[19:47:00] Kronuz: GeckoFiend: what's plan B, if ffmpeg is shut down?
[19:47:00] SarahEmm: anyone here running a fairly recent build of IVTV on a PVR-xxx?
[19:47:00] gr8nash: ok.. cause cvs has a nasty bug for DVB right now.. with HD setups
[19:47:00] SarahEmm: (and can check something for me)
[19:47:00] Kronuz: SarahEmm: I am
[19:47:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz
[19:47:00] jsldub: SarahEmm: we'll see how great mpeg4 encoding works on a PIII-450
[19:48:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz it'
[19:48:00] SarahEmm: jsldub: it won't at all.
[19:48:00] SarahEmm: jsldub: on a duron 700 it was no good
[19:48:00] jsldub: yup
[19:48:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz it's not like the source will suddenly disappear...
[19:48:00] SarahEmm: if you want hardware encoding, you need a new card tho
[19:48:00] SarahEmm: the 878 isn't an encoder
[19:48:00] jsldub: yea
[19:48:00] ** gr8nash WEEPS over his fallen program "dvd decryptor" **
[19:48:00] GeckoFiend: and really the ffmpeg folks are being a bit overly dramatic IMO
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: gr8nash: Yeah, suckage. I snagged a copy for my archives :)
[19:49:00] gr8nash: or i wish the source has been release before sony sicked the lawyers on them
[19:49:00] gr8nash: me too..
[19:49:00] gr8nash: GreyFoxx, did you turn off check for updates
[19:49:00] ** xris wises that someone would open source dvdshrink **
[19:49:00] jspotjj: has anyone else run into a problem with i2c-i801 and the ivtv drivers? when ivtv loads im seeing i2c level transfers not supported.
[19:49:00] xris: s/s/sh/
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: gr8nash: I did nothing. I put it in my software repository :)
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: xris: That would be nice
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: this new ratDVD stuff looks interesting too
[19:50:00] gr8nash: ahh.. its a sweet program those bastards killed
[19:50:00] gr8nash: ohh i google
[19:50:00] SarahEmm: Kronuz: what card?
[19:50:00] Kronuz: SarahEmm: PVR-350
[19:50:00] jspotjj: if i rmmod i2c-i801 ivtv loads fine
[19:50:00] SarahEmm: can you check if hitting 't' gives you working closed captioning on it?
[19:50:00] Kronuz: SarahEmm: don't have mythtv installed yet :( sorry
[19:51:00] SarahEmm: oh. heh. ok :)
[19:51:00] jsldub: i wonder if just plain recording would work with a plain 878, if im not watching at the same time
[19:51:00] SarahEmm: someone mentioned it's supposed to be working in the recent versions
[19:51:00] jsldub: i could use the dxr3 to watch movies while recording
[19:51:00] GreyFoxx: jsldub: No
[19:51:00] GeckoFiend: SarahEmm cc isn't support with the hardware encoders in myth
[19:51:00] SarahEmm: wanted to see if it was, 'cuz i want to switch to a hardware encoder soon if i can
[19:51:00] SarahEmm: jsldub: no...
[19:51:00] GreyFoxx: It wont be able to keep up
[19:51:00] SarahEmm: GeckoFiend: i know it hasn't been in the past, but someone said it was added recently.. no?
[19:51:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: you know if subs work in the internal mythtv video player?
[19:52:00] GeckoFiend: SarahEmm nope
[19:52:00] SarahEmm: hrm.
[19:52:00] SarahEmm: okay.
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: I wouldn't know, I don't use the internal player for mythvideo, nor do I use subtitles
[19:52:00] SarahEmm: lack of docs, or lack of people working on it?
[19:52:00] jsldub: SarahEmm: GreyFoxx; mencoder supports recording tv from the 878, why wouldint this feature go to mythtv
[19:52:00] GeckoFiend: theres was a patch sent in a while ago but it depended on bleeding edge drivers and wasn't a complete solotuoin so it never got into the main tree
[19:53:00] SarahEmm: jsldub: it is, but you don't have enough CPU to do MPEG4 software encoding.
[19:53:00] SarahEmm: it's supported just fine if you have enough CPU horsepower.
[19:53:00] GreyFoxx: jsldub: Myth does have the ability, but I wuld not expect youir 450 to be able to handle the software encoding
[19:53:00] jsldub: well then i will have to skip the mpeg4. go for something lower quality
[19:53:00] xris: GreyFoxx: ratdvd doesn't help people who want to play the video back on a dvd player.
[19:53:00] SarahEmm: the only other option is RT-JPEG
[19:53:00] GreyFoxx: even rtjpeg would likely have issues
[19:53:00] SarahEmm: jsldub: you could go RT-JPEG then. big files, low quality, and you *still* don't have neough CPU.
[19:54:00] GreyFoxx: xris: certainly. I would thinking more along the lines of HD storage
[19:54:00] jsldub: if i got one of these fabled dvb cards, could i use it with the 878 to have picture – in-picture ?
[19:54:00] Kronuz: GeckoFiend: hey, with ivtv (PVR350) is the hardware decoder used (in the internal video/DVD player)?
[19:55:00] SarahEmm: jsldub: you don't have enough CPU to use the 878 with myth.
[19:55:00] jsldub: SarahEmm: im going to have to disagree with you on that one
[19:55:00] SarahEmm: err... disagree all you want, but i have various setups here demonstrating this fact :)
[19:55:00] SarahEmm: other non-myth apps likely just stream the TV to the screen
[19:55:00] gr8nash: GreyFoxx, can mplayer play ratdvd movies?
[19:55:00] SarahEmm: myth encodes then decodes it realtime, which takes a lot more CPU
[19:56:00] jsldub: this card has been tested on this machine with tvtime, which does the same thing
[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: The only way you would get away with the 878 on that machine is to not use livetv, and instead set the theme to call xawtv or somesuch
[19:56:00] CyberKnet: tvtime does NOT do the same thing
[19:56:00] Beirdo: jsldub: no it doesn't
[19:56:00] SarahEmm: jsldub: tvtime does not encode then decode at all.
[19:56:00] SarahEmm: GreyFoxx: which defeats the entire purpose of myth, pretty much.
[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: SarahEmm: Exactly
[19:57:00] GreyFoxx: gr8nash: no idea
[19:57:00] jsldub: its not just a plain overlay, it's a deinterlacer
[19:57:00] SarahEmm: right
[19:57:00] SarahEmm: but it's not encoding to MPEG then decoding again
[19:57:00] SarahEmm: which is what myth does
[19:57:00] SarahEmm: you can ALSO deinterlace on top of that, but that you can turn off.
[19:57:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz yes
[19:57:00] SarahEmm: still, you don't have enough CPU to encode/decode.
[19:57:00] jsldub: couldnt myth be set up to just put the tvtime/xawtv window up front?
[19:57:00] Kronuz: GeckoFiend: for both DVD and video? that's fantastic!!
[19:57:00] SarahEmm: GreyFoxx: okay, so there was some kind of semi-working attempt even at CC on the PVR-xxx cards?
[19:58:00] SarahEmm: jsldub: what's the point then? you're not using any of myth's features.
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: jsldub: Yes it could
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[19:58:00] jsldub: well i would still want the jukebox,web browser features
[19:59:00] gr8nash: GreyFoxx RatDVD rocks!
[19:59:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz that's a big reason why I did it. I like my UI consistant, and I like our playback engines support for low end hardware
[19:59:00] gr8nash: i hope it works in linux...
[20:00:00] SarahEmm: jsldub: you'd also have to have the tuner in the same box as the frontend
[20:00:00] jsldub: that's not a problem
[20:00:00] gr8nash: GeckoFiend, how do you play DVDs ? use "Internal" like on video?
[20:00:00] gr8nash: i havnt tried the dvd part yet
[20:00:00] Kronuz: GeckoFiend: cool :) you also use a WinTV PVR-350?
[20:00:00] SarahEmm: jsldub: okay.. i guess you could, then. i'd say get more CPU or a hardware encoder if at all possible tho, because the TV functionality of myth is excellent :)
[20:02:00] GeckoFiend: gr8nash as long as you're running CVS yeah the syntax is the same
[20:02:00] jsldub: i'll be able to check it all out and do some bench marking in a few hours. the whole thing is compiling from source, on a PIII-450! lol
[20:02:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz no but I *will* be using an epia base system soon
[20:02:00] GreyFoxx: just --enable-dvd when compiling mythtv ?
[20:03:00] SarahEmm: jsldub: okay. i remember trying to use it on my duron 700, that did RT-JPEG okay but used almost all of the CPU doing so
[20:03:00] SarahEmm: and you want to avoid RT-JPEG if possible heh
[20:03:00] jsldub: the ability to play my large video/audio library is more important to me than recording tv.
[20:03:00] SarahEmm: okie
[20:04:00] ** SarahEmm knows nothing about that, as i don't use mythvideo **
[20:05:00] ** gr8nash loves greyfox for pointing ratdvd out **
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[20:08:00] ** GreyFoxx compiles mythtv for the second time today **
[20:09:00] ** SarahEmm 's setup is finally all stable so isn't touching it for awhile :) **
[20:09:00] GreyFoxx: I'm playing with making changes to mythgame and decided to update to cvs
[20:09:00] GreyFoxx: and now my cvs segfaults as soon as I try to conenct via mythweb :)
[20:09:00] SarahEmm: ahh okay
[20:10:00] GreyFoxx: I'm not home to see if mythfrontend has the same effect
[20:10:00] GreyFoxx: so I'm recompiling with dvd support and ensureing debug symbols are there :)
[20:10:00] SarahEmm: ahh :)
[20:11:00] GreyFoxx: besides the only thing I was reecording tonight was Canadian idol, so I wont be heartbroken if it doesn't get recorded :)
[20:11:00] SarahEmm: heh :)
[20:11:00] ** SarahEmm has no idea when anything she watches is on really. i like myth that way. :) **
[20:12:00] Cardoe: Canadian Idol... bleh
[20:12:00] Cardoe: * Idol = bleh
[20:12:00] ** SarahEmm agrees **
[20:13:00] GreyFoxx: Cardoe: I like watching the horrible auditions and early cutting of contenstants. Then I stop watching all together :)
[20:13:00] kormoc: * Idol = bleh
[20:13:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[20:13:00] GreyFoxx: I get a kick out of laughing at them :)
[20:13:00] kormoc: but like
[20:13:00] kormoc: what about Girl who finds you a Idol? does she get the bleh?
[20:13:00] iggy: Cardoe: init script still bitches when MYTH_USER=root
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[20:19:00] Kronuz: Is there a way to totaly and aboslutely disable the xmltv and TV scheduling features in MythTV?
[20:20:00] Kronuz: (and use the recording features as a regular VCR)
[20:20:00] GreyFoxx: Just don't run them ?
[20:20:00] JonK: 2
[20:20:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: but in a way they aren't there in the UI
[20:20:00] GreyFoxx: don't run mythfilldatabase, and don't enable datadirect downloads in the app
[20:20:00] GreyFoxx: though myth because almost useless at that point since it expects to find data for shows
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[20:21:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: is the database used just for that?
[20:22:00] iggy: no
[20:22:00] GreyFoxx: no,
[20:22:00] Kronuz: oh :)
[20:22:00] iggy: the configuration and other things is in the db as well
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[20:23:00] Kronuz: it would be nice to have MythTV to be used as a regular VCR with no channel names, TV scheduling and show descriptions
[20:23:00] Kronuz: (optionally)
[20:23:00] SarahEmm: Kronuz: why, out of curiousity?
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[20:23:00] Cardoe: iggy: I use root as well
[20:23:00] Kronuz: 'cause, for instance, I can't use the scheduling capbilities, nor the channels
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[20:24:00] Kronuz: I'm using a satellite receiver
[20:24:00] GreyFoxx: So?
[20:24:00] GreyFoxx: You can still use the info
[20:24:00] SarahEmm: Kronuz: so? lots of people use that
[20:24:00] SarahEmm: and still use the info and scheduling
[20:24:00] GreyFoxx: a LOT people do that
[20:24:00] GreyFoxx: Hell, I use to do that
[20:24:00] iggy: Cardoe: okay, are you trying to say that you don't see the errors?
[20:24:00] Cardoe: basically
[20:24:00] Cardoe: lemme check
[20:24:00] Kronuz: (so I have only one singnal comming out from the receiver through RCA)
[20:25:00] GreyFoxx: And.....
[20:25:00] GreyFoxx: That'sstill doable
[20:25:00] Cardoe: # /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
[20:25:00] Cardoe: * Starting MythTV Backend ... [ ok ]
[20:25:00] Kronuz: (also, in my country we don't have xmltv enabled scheduling, nor anything like it)
[20:26:00] Cardoe: iggy: yeah I don't see anything.
[20:26:00] GreyFoxx: Well, lack of scheduling data would be a problem,, but otherwise there is no reason that myth couldn't do it. a lot of people use myth to record from their sat or digital cable receivers
[20:26:00] Cardoe: MYTH_USER=root in /etc/conf.d/mythbackend
[20:26:00] Kronuz: so, that renders all the functionality useless... no scheduling data makes mythtv look ugly and unstable
[20:27:00] GreyFoxx: Yeah, unless you populate the DB with fake data of your own
[20:28:00] Kronuz: yeah... if we could some how change this so scheduling is optional, and if it's not wanted/needed then to act as a regular VCR
[20:28:00] Kronuz: (with simpler controls and overlays)
[20:28:00] GreyFoxx: "we" I think you mean "you" :)
[20:28:00] ** GeckoFiend looks at the satelite receiver connected to his backend **
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[20:28:00] Cardoe: iggy: using the latest scripts
[20:28:00] Cardoe: ?
[20:28:00] SarahEmm: Kronuz: what country?
[20:28:00] Kronuz: I'll try to work in this, as I think many are in my situation
[20:28:00] Kronuz: SarahEmm: Mexico
[20:29:00] iggy: Cardoe: that was it, I didn't see that file in my config files needing updated list
[20:29:00] Kronuz: SarahEmm: afaik, we don't have anything to get scheduling data online
[20:29:00] SarahEmm: Kronuz: what sat provider?
[20:29:00] Kronuz: it's called SKY
[20:29:00] Kronuz: SKY Mexico (Novavision)
[20:29:00] Kronuz: bbl
[20:30:00] iggy: Cardoe: you want me to run with the configure script not detecting arch right bug?
[20:30:00] Cardoe: iggy: I rewrote mythfilldatabase
[20:30:00] Cardoe: if you wanna write that patch
[20:30:00] Cardoe: that'd be cool
[20:30:00] Cardoe: I was gonna work on it when I got back from the gym in like an hour
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[20:31:00] Cardoe: iggy: https://dev.cardoe.com/myth/wiki/MythFillDatabaseHelp
[20:31:00] iggy: Cardoe: well, it doesn't matter to me really, we know what the problem is, and there's a documented work around for now
[20:32:00] iggy: I just don't want to keep getting "me too" emails for the next few weeks
[20:32:00] Cardoe: documented work around is...
[20:32:00] Cardoe: stop using the damn arch settings that you don't need?
[20:33:00] iggy: well, use athlon-xp instead of athlon-mp
[20:34:00] Chutt: shouldn't be specifying the arch at all to the configure script, unless you're cross compiling
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[20:34:00] iggy: like I said in the bug, I'm pretty sure they both produce the same exact code, but we'll never get lusers to stop using $crazy_cflag_of_the_month
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[20:35:00] D-side: jasoncohen: i've got a ton old computer crap i'm going to recycle unless someone wants it.
[20:35:00] D-side: jasoncohen: interested? :)
[20:35:00] iggy: Chutt: it's not that, the configure script isn't detecting -march=athlon-mp as HAVE_X86
[20:35:00] jasoncohen: D-side, yes
[20:35:00] jasoncohen: D-side, what do you have?
[20:36:00] Chutt: so? that's like a one line fix
[20:36:00] iggy: yeah
[20:36:00] D-side: jasoncohen: msg. no need to flood this place :)
[20:36:00] jasoncohen: ok
[20:36:00] iggy: we're just going back and forth whether to do it in the ebuild, or make a patch, and send it to you guys
[20:36:00] SarahEmm: D-side: just curious, where does your nick come from?
[20:36:00] Chutt: why the hell would you do it in the ebuild?
[20:37:00] Cardoe: Chutt: The issue is... we do have a bunch of cross-compiler users.
[20:37:00] Chutt: right
[20:37:00] Cardoe: the configure script is also missing a bunch of amd64 types
[20:37:00] Cardoe: that we have a patch for.
[20:38:00] Chutt: nice that you've sent the patch in to the dev list
[20:38:00] Chutt: thanks!
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[20:38:00] Cardoe: Chutt: your attitude towards me is exactly why I don't really care about working with you.
[20:38:00] D-side: SarahEmm: my being 1) a loser and 2) beaten to a nick i wanted, both from years ago.
[20:38:00] Chutt: and your attitude towards me is why i don't like gentoo users
[20:38:00] Cardoe: Chutt: maybe I was just about to send it to the list.
[20:38:00] iggy: calm down, we've been busy lately with other life stuff (Cardoe's been at the hospital, I'm doing the divorce thing)
[20:39:00] Cardoe: Chutt: You really don't know when I made the patch.
[20:39:00] Chutt: but hey, that's great
[20:39:00] Chutt: i've seen you talking about this in here for quite a while
[20:39:00] Cardoe: Chutt: I'm sorry I didn't send you the patch immediately. I've been in the hospital with my mother.
[20:39:00] iggy: let's just all go back to our respective corners
[20:40:00] iggy: Chutt: we'll send the patch on to you when we're done with all of the things that gentoo users come up with
[20:41:00] Cardoe: I was actually waiting to get my chroot set back up on the new amd64 test box.
[20:41:00] Cardoe: and a gcc4 chroot
[20:41:00] Cardoe: So we could address any gcc4 issues as well.
[20:41:00] Chutt: gcc4 stuff's been fixed in the -fixes branch
[20:41:00] Chutt: unless someone's broken it in the last few days, again
[20:41:00] Cardoe: like I said.. I don't have a gcc4 chroot anymore.
[20:42:00] Cardoe: so I haven't been able to test the fixes myself.
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[20:43:00] Chutt: your x86–64 patch looks reasonable, btw
[20:44:00] GreyFoxx: Well dammit. Mythbackend is no longer crashing, and I didn't do anything to fix it
[20:44:00] CyberKnet: heh
[20:44:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I'd say just be happy it isn't crashing, but... =)
[20:44:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: have you worked on the ati driver?
[20:44:00] Cardoe: anyway.
[20:44:00] Cardoe: I'm going to the gym with my roommate.
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: Since when ?
[20:45:00] Cardoe: then I'll mess with this stuff.
[20:45:00] CyberKnet: Have fun Cardoe.
[20:45:00] Chutt: and, yes, it's nice to see that you've had it for a week :p
[20:45:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: since the left+right click dont work on the niveus remote?
[20:45:00] Chutt: don't really know when you made it, my ass
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: Actually I forgot all about that :)
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: I'll try to take a look at it tonight
[20:45:00] sphing: ok thanks.. i tried playing around with it.. but couldn't
[20:45:00] CyberKnet: Chutt: even your ass makes patches... man. I am *so* way geeked out of my league.
[20:46:00] GreyFoxx: Well, mythbackend was crashing anytime I pulled the status page under mythweb, ALL I did was recompile with --enable-debug (no idea if this did anything, but figured I would do it anyway) and I also wanted to add the internal DVD playing support.. and now it's not crashing
[20:46:00] Cardoe: Chutt: If you really want to play the attitude game.....
[20:46:00] Cardoe: iggy: Do you use mythmusic?
[20:46:00] Chutt: i don't like packagers sitting on stuff
[20:46:00] Chutt: that's all
[20:47:00] SarahEmm: GreyFoxx: yay for heisenbugs :)
[20:47:00] Chutt: it's quite unhelpful
[20:47:00] Cardoe: iggy: Cause 1 day it compiles for me.
[20:47:00] iggy: um, I have, but not really now
[20:47:00] Cardoe: iggy: The next day it fails with the error in the bug report.
[20:47:00] Cardoe: I can't figure out what's the glue that's breaking
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: Oh well, I'll keep my fingers crossed that it doesn't barf. If anything it's running in gdb now so I'll catch it
[20:47:00] iggy: my tv habits are "non-traditional"
[20:47:00] Chutt: cardoe, which bug #?
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[20:48:00] iggy: I only have computers, so it's just as easy to fire up beep as it is mythmusic
[20:48:00] Cardoe: Chutt: It's the faad2 header error
[20:48:00] Chutt: oh, the one where they switched types?
[20:48:00] Cardoe: Chutt: yeah
[20:48:00] Cardoe: it's something with the gentoo packages.
[20:48:00] Chutt: funky
[20:49:00] Cardoe: It's something with the fix being applied to faad2 and then them taking it off
[20:49:00] Cardoe: and then readding it
[20:49:00] Cardoe: it's gotta be
[20:49:00] Chutt: i'd think it should be fixed in mythmusic, really
[20:52:00] Chutt: ah, that header types thing is gentoo only?
[20:52:00] iggy: I don't think so
[20:53:00] Chutt: looks like it's a patch being applied by the ebuild
[20:53:00] Gumby: does anyone in here have any idea of an app that would help me design a box (speaker box) in linux? Looking for something gui perhaps
[20:53:00] iggy: but the gentoo packages got a fix for it at some point, then they took it back out or something
[20:53:00] Beirdo: Gumby: you allergic to using google and freshmeat?
[20:53:00] Chutt: http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/med . . . ;view=markup
[20:53:00] iggy: I don't know much about it tbh
[20:53:00] Gumby: Beirdo: I am, and at the samae time asking on IRC
[20:54:00] Beirdo: well good luck getting help with that here :)
[20:54:00] Chutt: yeah, faad2 hasn't changed (officially) since last september
[20:54:00] Cardoe: yeah well that's a needed amd64 patch from what I heard.
[20:54:00] Chutt: right
[20:54:00] Cardoe: because they're using generic type names
[20:54:00] iggy: wtf
[20:54:00] Cardoe: which vary with architecture
[20:54:00] Chutt: but it doesn't look like there's anything in the header to indicate that they changed things
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[20:55:00] iggy: how do you convert an uchar to uint8_t
[20:55:00] Cardoe: when I said faad2 packager... I meant the Gentoo guy
[20:55:00] Chutt: kinda makes detecting it compile time a bit difficult :(
[20:55:00] Cardoe: iggy: they are the same size...
[20:55:00] iggy: yeah, but still
[20:55:00] Chutt: the char -> int8_t is wrong, though :p
[20:55:00] Chutt: char's not always signed
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[20:56:00] Cardoe: uchar and uint
[20:56:00] Chutt: should be fixed safely by just changing mythmusic to use the new types
[20:57:00] iggy: I think we need to get someone to make a better patch for faad2
[20:57:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[20:57:00] Chutt: it'd be safe to use the sized types for other distros that don't have that patch
[20:58:00] Chutt: well, it should be, at least
[20:58:00] Chutt: ideally, there'd be a define in the faad2 header indicating the change
[21:01:00] Cardoe: come up with a good #define
[21:01:00] Cardoe: name
[21:01:00] Chutt: FAAD2_USES_SIZED_TYPES
[21:01:00] Cardoe: and I'll straighten it all out and send it upstream
[21:01:00] Cardoe: works for me
[21:01:00] Chutt: that way mythmusic can just switch on compile time, and doesn't have to try to detect it in the configure script
[21:03:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: you know what are the extra dependencies to build MythTV with the DVD and video integrated players (the CVS version of MythTV)?
[21:04:00] Cardoe: mplayer or xine-ui
[21:04:00] Cardoe: libdvdread
[21:04:00] Kronuz: libdvdnav, I suppose is needed
[21:04:00] Cardoe: oh I think you can use ogle, mplayer, or xine-ui
[21:05:00] Kronuz: (unless it's included in MythTV)
[21:05:00] Cardoe: not afaik
[21:05:00] Cardoe: I don't have it installed
[21:06:00] Kronuz: Cardoe: GeckoFiend said the CVS version now includes a DVD player
[21:06:00] Kronuz: Cardoe: he told me it's using libdvdnav
[21:06:00] Cardoe: ok
[21:07:00] Cardoe: I don't have the very latest compiled.
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[21:08:00] Chutt: i believe the only extra dep is libdvdnav
[21:09:00] Kronuz: Chutt: okay, thanks :)
[21:10:00] Kronuz: ffmpeg was already needed in the released version, I suppose
[21:10:00] GeckoFiend: yep just libdvdnav
[21:10:00] Kronuz: :)
[21:10:00] GeckoFiend: thought about putting it into our libs but I didn't want to be responsbile for something that linked to libdecss
[21:10:00] Kronuz: hehe
[21:11:00] Kronuz: is libdvdcss a dependency to libdvdnav then?
[21:12:00] Kronuz: ffmpeg is included in MythTV or do I need to get it?
[21:12:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz libdvdnav will use it if it's available on the system at runtime
[21:13:00] GeckoFiend: and ffmpeg is included
[21:14:00] Kronuz: anyone knows where in the docs are all the needed (not included) dependencies?
[21:14:00] Dibblah: Ugh. Problems with a dodgy DVB-s card. Current attempted solution: A 30" fan.
[21:14:00] Kronuz: (to have a full MythTV)
[21:15:00] Dibblah: Kronuz: I'd try http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.2
[21:15:00] Kronuz: it's just LAME and XMLTV?
[21:15:00] Dibblah: But that's just me.
[21:16:00] Kronuz: (well, and MySL)
[21:16:00] Kronuz: MySQL*
[21:16:00] Kronuz: (and Qt, obiously)
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[21:28:00] Kronuz: did I get this right, you only need LAME, libdvdnav, Freetype2, QT, and MySQL to build MythTV? (everything else is included?)
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[21:32:00] Araldi1: Maybe this is a dumb question, but I just tried to switch to Minimalist-wide theme, and now Im missing a menu, so that I can setup the mythbox, change themes etc. anyone know how to manually switch the theme back
[21:34:00] ** CyberKnet looks for sheep **
[21:35:00] CyberKnet: Araldi1: I'd check the settings table in mysql
[21:35:00] CyberKnet: Araldi1: but I've never had that problem, so I wouldn't know if that's the best solution.
[21:38:00] Araldi1: k
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[21:52:00] GeckoFiend: Araldi1 you have MythPhone installed?
[22:06:00] Beirdo: MythPhoney?
[22:06:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:06:00] Beirdo: sorry
[22:07:00] ** xris tosses a fish at Beirdo. **
[22:07:00] brejc8: I started noticing a couple audio/video sync issues recently. Anyone else running from CVS seeing this on DVB?
[22:08:00] Beirdo: I saw that on playback of PVR250 stuff last night
[22:08:00] brejc8: A large (2–3 second) desynchronization
[22:09:00] brejc8: you can save position and then come back and it is ok again
[22:09:00] Beirdo: yep
[22:09:00] Beirdo: sounds like what I saw once last night
[22:09:00] Beirdo: was too tired to investigate
[22:09:00] brejc8: So common code and must be a playback issue
[22:09:00] Beirdo: seems that way as a preliminary thing, yes
[22:11:00] brejc8: Might have a look when the M.R.S. finishes watching that sex and the City 10 hour marathon
[22:12:00] Beirdo: ick
[22:12:00] brejc8: "ick"?
[22:12:00] Beirdo: yes
[22:12:00] Beirdo: ick
[22:12:00] iggy: Beirdo doesn't like women
[22:12:00] brejc8: What does it mean?
[22:12:00] Beirdo: sex and the city. blech. I could stand maybe 2 episodes in a row... but 10?
[22:12:00] brejc8: OIC
[22:13:00] ** Beirdo slaps iggy with a trout **
[22:13:00] Beirdo: you take that back
[22:13:00] iggy: :P
[22:14:00] brejc8: The woman tried to tempt me to watch it a few times with the prospect of all the shagging they do but then they chose the uglyest one to have sex all the time.
[22:14:00] Beirdo: I think I could stand it better than a 10h marathon of Queer Eye though
[22:14:00] Beirdo: that would drive me batty
[22:14:00] Beirdo: but of course
[22:14:00] Beirdo: duh
[22:14:00] Beirdo: :)
[22:14:00] yakman: the ginger brejc8?
[22:14:00] iggy: keep telling yourself that, someday it'll be true
[22:14:00] Beirdo: it's in her contract and stuff
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[22:15:00] brejc8: No. The old one
[22:15:00] rben: help!
[22:15:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: You can watch gay men educating a straight guy for ten hours straight, but could not watch (supposedly) hot women talking about sex for ten hours straight.... and you still profess to like women?
[22:15:00] rben: I just upgraded to latest Knoppmyth, and my mythtv box only wants to watch Dr. Phil!
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[22:15:00] Beirdo: no no no
[22:15:00] ** iggy is glad he doesn't have power in here, that guy would have just gotten the kb **
[22:15:00] yakman: well thats preferable to celebrity love island that my good lady is watching
[22:15:00] Beirdo: the other way around, retard, read  :)
[22:15:00] xris: CyberKnet: you have that backwards
[22:15:00] CyberKnet: Yes, I do.
[22:16:00] CyberKnet: Okay. You are hereby excused.
[22:16:00] Beirdo: rben: you poor guy.
[22:16:00] rben: :(
[22:16:00] iggy: dr phil had tom and katie the other day
[22:16:00] rben: Also the ir remote doesn't work
[22:16:00] iggy: did you get that one
[22:16:00] iggy: it was awesome
[22:16:00] brejc8: I migtht make a button I press that stops tuning into e4 and itv1 so I can actually use the thing I made
[22:16:00] rben: and can't change channels
[22:16:00] iggy: he asked someone to get him a box to stand on
[22:16:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:17:00] Beirdo: rben: sounds like you have stuff to fix
[22:17:00] brejc8: Who is Dr. Phil?
[22:17:00] CyberKnet: is it sad that it took me a whole minute and a half to figure out who tom and katie were?
[22:17:00] Beirdo: you're lucky enough not to know who Dr. Phil is? wow
[22:17:00] rben: yeah, but it looks like the tuner is set correctly
[22:17:00] CyberKnet: and then a further 30s to remember Katie's last name?
[22:17:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:17:00] rben: at least acording to dmesg
[22:17:00] brejc8: Yeah (UK is great)
[22:18:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: what's wrong with you
[22:18:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: I'm not caught up in the private lives of celebrities, I guess...
[22:18:00] iggy: why?
[22:18:00] iggy: is yours _that_ good
[22:19:00] CyberKnet: iggy: according to the sex I had last night, yes.
[22:19:00] CyberKnet: *grin*
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[22:19:00] Beirdo: get your wife on IRC, we'll see what she has to say
[22:20:00] Beirdo: or get the sheep on IRC, whatever works
[22:20:00] ** Beirdo ducks **
[22:20:00] riksta: lol
[22:20:00] CyberKnet: Well, not to undermine my masculinity, but whether she enjoyed it or not has no bearing on how good it was for me, technically =)
[22:20:00] CyberKnet: However, I do assure you that I rocked her damn world.
[22:20:00] iggy: he's got a point
[22:20:00] Beirdo: typical male
[22:20:00] brejc8: Pleasure was all yours
[22:20:00] Beirdo: lucky sheep
[22:20:00] ** Beirdo snickers **
[22:21:00] CyberKnet: heh
[22:21:00] ** CyberKnet lands a boot square in Beirdo's rump **
[22:21:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[22:22:00] CyberKnet: She prefers to go by Mrs Ewe, thank you very much.
[22:22:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[22:22:00] Beirdo: Phaq Ewe
[22:22:00] CyberKnet: put an before that q, and I'll boot you again ;)
[22:22:00] CyberKnet: an "n", that is
[22:23:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:23:00] ** GeckoFiend wanders off to cook some cajun sloppy joes **
[22:23:00] CyberKnet: ooh.
[22:24:00] CyberKnet: share those around, boy.
[22:24:00] Beirdo: made with real cajuns, I hope
[22:24:00] CyberKnet: you gonna throw some velveeta in them?
[22:25:00] ** Beirdo feeds CyberKnet some eucalyptus **
[22:26:00] CyberKnet: eucalyptus drops are good for the sinus.
[22:26:00] brejc8: Can someone make a theme where all the icons are shoes? I am getting tired explaining how to "watch recordings" over and over again. Apparently hiding it under the "watch recordings" button is too confusing.
[22:26:00] CyberKnet: and have a pleasant taste.
[22:26:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: and shoes would ???
[22:27:00] brejc8: Yeah women *LOVE* shoes!
[22:27:00] Beirdo: brejc8: go nuts
[22:27:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: lmao
[22:27:00] brejc8: They cant remember how to turn on the TV but what shoes some actress was wearing at a premiere in 1976 they can
[22:27:00] Beirdo: make the exit button a big boot
[22:27:00] CyberKnet: "Okay, to watch TV choose the stilletos, then the loafers, and finally the clogs.
[22:28:00] CyberKnet: that would probably work, you know.
[22:28:00] CyberKnet: but us men would be fucked.
[22:28:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:28:00] brejc8: I am sure it would.
[22:28:00] Beirdo: yeah
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[22:28:00] CyberKnet: "stilletos? loafers?? dammit. they're SHOES!. They're all SHOES~!"
[22:28:00] iggy: we'd still have the words to guide us
[22:29:00] brejc8: Neah sod words. Lets just have prices
[22:29:00] brejc8: and 20% off
[22:29:00] CyberKnet: processor die sizes I could see you say... but prices I still wouldn't remember.
[22:29:00] CyberKnet: okay, choose the 300mm wafer with the 21mm^2 die, then...
[22:30:00] Beirdo: choose the fake pointy tits, followed by...
[22:30:00] Beirdo: muhahaha
[22:30:00] brejc8: I had a 200mm wafer in my hands a few days ago
[22:30:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: Oooh. actress busts. I bet men could do that.
[22:31:00] brejc8: We manufactures a chip and has the entire wafer.
[22:31:00] CyberKnet: "Choose the fake natalie portman pr0n, then the fake brit spears pr0n, and then the real paris hilton skank pr0n... you're all set"
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[22:32:00] CyberKnet: setup undoubtedly would be the liv tyler as an elf pr0n
[22:32:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: that would work
[22:33:00] brejc8: I would just get distracted and never watch the tv. Hard disk would fill up. I would spend more money.(bad idea)
[22:33:00] CyberKnet: hah
[22:33:00] Beirdo: well duh
[22:33:00] Beirdo: that's the whole idea
[22:34:00] CyberKnet: who wants to watch anything else when you have liv tyler on screen calling your name?
[22:34:00] Beirdo: so I deleted 30 Trading Spaces that I will likely never watch anyways
[22:34:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:34:00] CyberKnet: (and she would, because festival would be immitating her voice)
[22:34:00] brejc8: Breasts = spend more money (advertising's key)
[22:35:00] CyberKnet: damn. now i'm thinking about liv freakin tyler. how the hell am I supposed to go back to work.
[22:35:00] Beirdo: Hahahah
[22:35:00] Beirdo: sucker
[22:35:00] brejc8: What time is it there?
[22:35:00] CyberKnet: 4:35
[22:35:00] brejc8: 22:35 here
[22:35:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, by imagining something truely nasty
[22:35:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: ESR on RMS shower pr0n
[22:36:00] kormoc: yeah, keep thinking bout that
[22:36:00] CyberKnet: *shudder*
[22:36:00] CyberKnet: years of scad washing off... it's so awful.
[22:36:00] ** Beirdo kicks CyberKnet hard in the nuts **
[22:36:00] Beirdo: don't be putting shit like that into our conciousnesses
[22:36:00] Beirdo: gah!
[22:36:00] brejc8: have you gus seen ESR's writing about swinging?
[22:36:00] CyberKnet: hah
[22:37:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: no. And I never will.
[22:37:00] gnarface: anyone know what a lethal dose of caffine is?
[22:37:00] iggy: gnarface: the way this conversation is going, I'm about ready to find out
[22:37:00] Beirdo: gnarface: more than I've ever taken
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[22:37:00] Beirdo: and I've taken plenty
[22:37:00] brejc8: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/sextips/
[22:38:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: no thanks. not now. not ever.
[22:38:00] iggy: no
[22:38:00] kormoc: he LD_50 of caffeine (that is the lethal dosage reported to kill
[22:38:00] kormoc: 50% of the population) is estimated at 10 grams for oral administration.
[22:38:00] iggy: no sex tips from mr dirty
[22:38:00] CyberKnet: 10 grams. that's a hell of a lot.
[22:38:00] brejc8: "mr dirty"?
[22:38:00] iggy: 10 grams.... you'd have to drink like 40 glasses of straight soda syrup
[22:38:00] gnarface: hmm.
[22:38:00] kormoc: more then that
[22:39:00] Beirdo: you'd be so frigging wired from the sugar too
[22:39:00] CyberKnet: MD has 45mg of caffeine per 12oz
[22:39:00] iggy: brejc8: have you ever seen him? he looks like he hasn't had a shower in years
[22:39:00] gnarface: or a box of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/candy/5c54/
[22:39:00] GeckoFiend: hmmmm think my wife is trying to tell me something? she picked up 90% lean beef and low fat sausage for me to use
[22:39:00] CyberKnet: GeckoFiend: lol
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[22:39:00] Beirdo: GeckoFiend: just wrap it with bacon
[22:39:00] CyberKnet: oooh yes.
[22:39:00] CyberKnet: that is perfect.
[22:39:00] kormoc: Mountain Dew 55.0mg per 12 oz
[22:39:00] brejc8: iggy: yeah. I would have picked a more flattering photo if I was him (if there is one)
[22:39:00] CyberKnet: ooks. I was off by 10mg
[22:40:00] CyberKnet: sorry bout that =)
[22:40:00] gnarface: so its 9.9 grams?
[22:40:00] gnarface: or ... wait.
[22:40:00] gnarface: hmm.
[22:40:00] gnarface: all i can say is 400milligrams of the stuff is pure fun
[22:40:00] gnarface: but that may constitute a lethal dose for anyone within a 100 foot radius of me
[22:40:00] kormoc: 61 853 oz of mt.dew to kill you
[22:40:00] iggy: brejc8: back before I realized he was just spewing obviousness, I went to see him speak in Austin
[22:41:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: lol
[22:41:00] kormoc: 1 829.22647 liters
[22:41:00] iggy: he looked like a fucking bum off the street
[22:41:00] gnarface: wouldn't the sugar kill you before the caffine?
[22:41:00] kormoc: likly
[22:41:00] Beirdo: you'd hope
[22:41:00] CyberKnet: gnarface: the exploded stomach sure would.
[22:41:00] kormoc: pepsi one has more caffine then mt.dew
[22:41:00] gnarface: haha.
[22:41:00] CyberKnet: kidney failure
[22:41:00] kormoc: http://wilstar.com/caffeine.htm
[22:41:00] CyberKnet: stuff like that.
[22:41:00] Beirdo: IV
[22:41:00] Beirdo: screw soda pop crap
[22:41:00] gnarface: instant diabetes
[22:42:00] gnarface: oh yea
[22:42:00] gnarface: that list is for pussies
[22:42:00] Beirdo: take your caffeine either as big mugs of espresso, or at least as coffee
[22:42:00] gnarface: you gotta get the candy that's like 200mg a piece
[22:42:00] CyberKnet: man. could you imagine dying by caffeine ingestion. You'd know you were dying, and you'd be hyper at the prospect.
[22:42:00] gnarface: i'd probably end up dying from trying to leap across building tops or something stupid long before my heart exploded
[22:43:00] Beirdo: I've been truly fucked up on caffeine/sugar combo before... a few times
[22:43:00] Beirdo: it's fun but DAMN does coming down off that high ever suck
[22:43:00] CyberKnet: I prefer to get trully done up on liquor. lots more fun.
[22:43:00] Beirdo: not really
[22:43:00] iggy: just like any stimulant (coke habit anyone?)
[22:43:00] gnarface: yea, the thing about liquor is it doesn't make you implicitly paranoid.
[22:43:00] gnarface: that's my problem
[22:43:00] Beirdo: caffeine+sugar is WAY more fun
[22:44:00] gnarface: after too much caffine i start plotting the destruction of all mankind
[22:44:00] Beirdo: you are bouncing off the walls for quite a bit of time
[22:44:00] brejc8: When I was 21 I was told never to drink coffee again because I overdid it for a while. My hart started stopping from overwork and caffeine
[22:44:00] gnarface: omg
[22:44:00] brejc8: 4 years and still coffee free
[22:44:00] Beirdo: liquor just makes you sleepy and pass out
[22:44:00] gnarface: that makes you the winner
[22:45:00] gnarface: brejc8: you are the winner. you win a new mechanical heart at age 40
[22:45:00] brejc8: Neah Im fine now
[22:45:00] Beirdo: I woulda told the doctor to find a way to fix it, I'm not stopping my coffee :)
[22:45:00] kormoc: if you want caffine, take this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/drinks/2967/
[22:45:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:46:00] Beirdo: goddammit, people, lights on or lights off, take your pick!
[22:46:00] Beirdo: stupid cleaning staff flicking em on and off
[22:46:00] gnarface: haha
[22:46:00] Araldi1: how do I reset the theme.. minimalist-wide is missing an important menu option, so I cant use the frontend to reset the theme anymore
[22:46:00] gnarface: oh my god
[22:46:00] gnarface: obviously i've been going about this all frickin wrong
[22:46:00] gnarface: kormoc just floored me.
[22:46:00] Beirdo: Araldi1: stop asking
[22:46:00] gnarface: i'm gonna go open a coffee shop right now
[22:46:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:46:00] gnarface: god damnit
[22:47:00] CyberKnet: xris: holy crap
[22:47:00] gnarface: Araldi1: just fricking find it in the database table and change it manually
[22:47:00] Beirdo: minimalist-wide has all the menu options, AFAIK
[22:47:00] Araldi1: Beirdo: I asked hours ago, but I cant figure it out, so now im asking again..
[22:47:00] CyberKnet: s/xris/kormoc/ , even
[22:47:00] Araldi1: gnarface: Well, how do I do that
[22:47:00] iggy: Araldi1: edit the DB probably
[22:47:00] xris: CyberKnet: ?
[22:47:00] kormoc: it's just super caffinated coffee :)
[22:48:00] Beirdo: you were told the answer an hour ago too
[22:48:00] Araldi1: iggy: How do I edit the db manually then?
[22:48:00] CyberKnet: xris: typed the wrong simech employees name, sorry
[22:48:00] Beirdo: you use mysql or a mysql frontend
[22:49:00] iggy: Araldi1: that's for me to know and you to find out
[22:49:00] Beirdo: phpmyadmin is likely the best bet for the newbie although it can be a pain to setup
[22:49:00] Araldi1: Beirdo: thx
[22:50:00] brejc8: Araldi1: you can do a mysqldump and then find the entry and type it back in with REPLACE reather than INSERT
[22:50:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: I'm going slightly nuts just thinking about how much caffeine that would be.
[22:50:00] brejc8: Araldi1: Into mysql I mean
[22:50:00] Beirdo: mmmm, caffeine
[22:51:00] Beirdo: easiest to use phpmyadmin or something similar
[22:51:00] Beirdo: learning SQL is daunting for most people
[22:51:00] iggy: sissy
[22:51:00] CyberKnet: bah
[22:52:00] brejc8: Beirdo: It is yeah. I learned my looking through the dump though
[22:53:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: you look at dumps? and learned from it?
[22:53:00] CyberKnet: all I learned from it is "don't look at other people's dumps. They stink."
[22:53:00] brejc8: CyberKnet: I only loomk through my own
[22:53:00] gnarface: Araldi1: looks like you have a new project. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/index.html <- look specifically for info on how to connect with the mysql shell client and then look up documentation on the commands USE, SELECT, WHERE, LIMIT, LIKE and UPDATE
[22:54:00] ** Beirdo slaps CyberKnet with a trout **
[22:54:00] gnarface: Araldi1: got it?
[22:54:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: oh, okay. now that is very interesting, and you can learn lots of stuff from that.
[22:54:00] gnarface: Araldi1: if you're sharp it should only take you about 2 hours to figure out
[22:54:00] CyberKnet: gnarface: with proper execution of the mysql shell, USE is not even needed =)
[22:54:00] brejc8: CyberKnet: The basis of many ancient medical institutions
[22:55:00] gnarface: hahaha.
[22:55:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: and modern, too.
[22:55:00] ** gnarface is not a pro, just a hack **
[22:55:00] CyberKnet: The "You've got worms" institution, the "Dammit, did you give the baby red koolaid" institution...
[22:56:00] CyberKnet: although the koolaid institution is generally looking at other peoples dumps, not their own.
[22:57:00] CyberKnet: Oh, and not to neglect the "OOooh my $DEITY I had indian curry last night I'm not gonna make it to the ..." institution
[22:57:00] Beirdo: Mmmmm. curry
[22:58:00] Beirdo: that's a good idea
[22:58:00] CyberKnet: MMmmm. curry.
[22:58:00] brejc8: http://www.mistupid.com/health/fecesquiz.htm
[22:58:00] CyberKnet: Indian, thai ... it's all good.
[22:58:00] Beirdo: gah!
[22:58:00] CyberKnet: must ... not ... click
[22:58:00] Beirdo: I'll click you... where are my steel-toed boots?
[22:58:00] CyberKnet: no comment
[22:58:00] kormoc: Mmm... Thai...
[23:01:00] Beirdo: gonna have to buy a new pair of sandals soon
[23:01:00] Beirdo: these bastards are wearing out
[23:02:00] Beirdo: was funny at the airport, they asked the people in front and behind me to take their shoes off
[23:02:00] ** CyberKnet laments writing user applications for a living **
[23:02:00] Beirdo: looked at my feet, didn't bother
[23:02:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:02:00] Beirdo: sandals rule
[23:03:00] gnarface: hey sorry guys
[23:03:00] gnarface: but are any of you using amd64?
[23:04:00] gnarface: or know anyone who is? i really need a motherboard recommendation before i go and buy an asus k8n
[23:04:00] rtsai: i'm on amd64
[23:04:00] Beirdo: I like the Gigabyte boards personally, but the Asus is likely good too
[23:05:00] brejc8: I found some ASUS ones very fussy about RAM.
[23:05:00] rtsai: there aren't *that* many choices yet: agp/pcie will eliminate a bunch right off
[23:05:00] Beirdo: a lot of the boards are fussy.
[23:05:00] rtsai: i wanted optical input, which eliminated a bunch more
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[23:05:00] iggy: my gigabyte board at work has the shittiest BIOS I've ever seen
[23:06:00] brejc8: I usually go for the cheapest one they have nowadays and it always works out
[23:06:00] iggy: it's as bad as a Dell
[23:06:00] Beirdo: iggy: which board?
[23:06:00] iggy: don't remember offhand
[23:06:00] CyberKnet: I have an AMD64 and use a gigabyte board too.
[23:06:00] iggy: nf3ultra something or other
[23:06:00] CyberKnet: but it's not for the linux box.
[23:07:00] iggy: I've got an epox right now, it's alright
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[23:07:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: You and I have the same AMD64 board, right?
[23:07:00] iggy: the one thing I've noticed about a bunch of the amd64 boards is the memory speed stuff is screwy
[23:07:00] Beirdo: one of mine, CyberKnet
[23:07:00] CyberKnet: iggy: Aah, I dont screw with the memory timings.
[23:07:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: you got the second AMD64?
[23:07:00] brejc8: amd64 is very picky about ram. Esp the shuttle cases
[23:07:00] Beirdo: I also have 2 nforce3 boards
[23:07:00] Beirdo: I have 3 AMD64 boxes so far
[23:08:00] iggy: you set it to a speed, but it's not a real speed, it's a ratio to the FSB freq
[23:08:00] CyberKnet: aha
[23:08:00] kormoc: cases are picky about ram?
[23:08:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[23:08:00] Beirdo: yeah
[23:08:00] Beirdo: AMD64 is
[23:08:00] brejc8: shuttle barebones
[23:08:00] xris: Beirdo: you have any idea the power consumption differences between something like a c3 proc and a celeron/duron setup?
[23:08:00] kormoc: I would have figured the mobo might be picky bout ram, but a case? wow
[23:08:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: heh
[23:08:00] Beirdo: nope, but the data's all out there
[23:09:00] brejc8: kormoc: No fool. The micro case mb bundle
[23:09:00] Beirdo: kormoc: pedantic bugger... you've been hanging around xris and I too much :)
[23:09:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[23:09:00] iggy: xris: I think the m10000 cpu is like 9w, the new .09um amd64's are ~32w
[23:10:00] brejc8: some P4s are 120w
[23:10:00] iggy: don't know about the durons/celerons
[23:10:00] xris: iggy: I'm talking way slower than that. like 500–800mhz range
[23:10:00] brejc8: http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/7417
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[23:11:00] iggy: google
[23:11:00] xris: iggy: terms are too generic in my attempts
[23:11:00] iggy: you're not exempt from using google :P
[23:12:00] iggy: Maximum power consumption of around 20 watts at 1.3GHz
[23:12:00] iggy: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/processors/c3/specs.jsp
[23:13:00] iggy: there's a datasheet on that page, should have power consumption values
[23:13:00] JonK: anyone have any thoughts why a one tuner of a pvr150 will modprobe correctly, while the second tuner will not
[23:13:00] xris: iggy: yeah, it's comparing to a p3 that I'm having trouble finding. I'll eventually find it.
[23:13:00] iggy: JonK: a 150 only has 1 tuner
[23:14:00] JonK: meant 500
[23:14:00] JonK: sorry
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[23:16:00] rben: what is the command to run the setup program for mythtv?
[23:16:00] JonK: it gives "i2x client addr: 0x44 not found'" error in demsage
[23:16:00] JonK: rben: mythtv-setup
[23:16:00] rben: doh, thanks
[23:16:00] JonK: run it as user mythtv
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[23:20:00] gnarface: Beirdo: should i buy an asus k8n or k8ne-deluxe?
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[23:30:00] xris: hmm, I guess I'm not really any better off with a small board like an epia vs an older p3. maybe 15 vs 25 watts
[23:30:00] ** iggy points at his for sale list **
[23:31:00] GeckoFiend: yummy. everytime I make these things they're a little different, but almost always good
[23:31:00] GeckoFiend: xris but with an epia you can get a lot more stuff on the mobo
[23:32:00] Chutt: like an extraspecial slow cpu
[23:32:00] Chutt: can't get one of those just anywhere
[23:32:00] iggy: anybody heard anything about pci-e capture cards?
[23:32:00] GeckoFiend: not that slow when comapred to a P3
[23:32:00] Chutt: half
[23:33:00] iggy: GeckoFiend: yeah, a 1G C3 is slower than my old p3–800
[23:33:00] Chutt: iggy, there's no technical reason for capture cards to switch, so i imagine they'll start appearing when more motherboards are pci-e only
[23:33:00] kormoc: my dual p3 500's will beat any c3! :P
[23:33:00] iggy: well, I'm just seeing a lot of newer MBs with very few regular pci slots
[23:34:00] iggy: I guess that's where the 500 comes in
[23:34:00] xris: GeckoFiend: this is for a standalone firewall. it needs 3 network interfaces and a hard drive.
[23:34:00] xris: I'd even do away with the hard drive if I could get a cheap enough flash drive that can hold astaro.
[23:35:00] GeckoFiend: I've not seen asaro
[23:35:00] iggy: fry's special usb flash thingy
[23:35:00] Cardoe: CF w/ IDE
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[23:35:00] xris: I think astaro is a 6G iso
[23:35:00] iggy: the epia can boot off of usb
[23:35:00] iggy: WTF
[23:35:00] f00bar: my tv playback is really slow :( is there any way to get it smooth
[23:35:00] f00bar: (i have an analogue capture card, bttv)
[23:35:00] xris: astaro is more than just a firewall... has antivirus/antispyware, etc.
[23:36:00] iggy: still
[23:36:00] xris: need room for squid cache
[23:36:00] GeckoFiend: anything like smoothwall?
[23:36:00] iggy: okay, okay, but a 6G iso
[23:36:00] xris: astaro is a commercial product.. couple hundred $$... but free for home use.
[23:36:00] xris: astaro.com / astaro.org
[23:37:00] xris: I use shorewall now, but want something with easier QoS management.
[23:37:00] GeckoFiend: http://www.floridasexualpredator.com/ now THERES a good use for google maps!
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