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Tuesday, June 7th, 2005, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:00] rjune: ok, if I insert an entry into videometadata by hand, what do I have to do to get that record to show up in the browser?
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[00:05:00] VaderDarth: hi
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[00:06:00] riksta: hola
[00:07:00] VaderDarth: is there mythtv for windows?
[00:11:00] Agrajag-: there's a frontend but it's behind on the protocol versions and i've never been able to get it to work
[00:11:00] VaderDarth: ok
[00:15:00] djperegrin: :O
[00:15:00] djperegrin: really?
[00:15:00] djperegrin: where is it ?
[00:15:00] djperegrin: I would like to get that working
[00:16:00] Agrajag-: http://winmyth.sourceforge.net/
[00:16:00] Agrajag-: good luck, it pretty much sucks as far as i can tell
[00:16:00] Agrajag-: you'd be better off with mythweb + mythstreamtv
[00:16:00] Agrajag-: http://mythstreamtv.sourceforge.net/
[00:16:00] djperegrin: Yea
[00:17:00] djperegrin: :O
[00:17:00] djperegrin: streamtv sounds awesome
[00:17:00] VaderDarth: http://mediaportal.sourceforge.net/
[00:17:00] VaderDarth: what do u think of this
[00:18:00] djperegrin: not linux
[00:18:00] djperegrin: and I don't have tv card on my laptop anyway
[00:18:00] Agrajag-: i think it lacks a lot of the features myth has
[00:19:00] VaderDarth: i have it on my pc
[00:27:00] VaderDarth: ^g
[00:27:00] VaderDarth: ^G
[00:28:00] djperegrin: does the the commerical skipping in myth accually work?
[00:29:00] Agrajag-: no, it's there for a joke
[00:30:00] djperegrin: ?
[00:30:00] djperegrin: but I know plenty of features that don't work that well
[00:30:00] djperegrin: in other programs
[00:31:00] Agrajag-: it works, how well depends on the method you're using and the show you're watching
[00:32:00] mchou: Agrajag-: I hope you're bein sarcastic re commercial skip.
[00:32:00] mchou: being*
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[00:33:00] Agrajag-: :P
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[00:34:00] adante: hey Agrajag- where are you in nsw?
[00:34:00] Agrajag-: my point was it was a bit of a stupid question.. why would people put so much effort into coding it if it didn't "actually work"
[00:34:00] Agrajag-: sydney
[00:34:00] mchou: Agrajag-: yeah. but that sarcasm may be lost on some casual readers :)
[00:35:00] mchou: Agrajag-: and considering mst other commercial pvrs havent implemented that too well.....
[00:35:00] mchou: most*
[00:35:00] adante: wahahey – is mona vale a long way away?
[00:35:00] Agrajag-: nup
[00:35:00] Agrajag-: im in chatswood
[00:36:00] mchou: Like I dunno if Sage TV has real commercial detection and skip yet.
[00:36:00] Agrajag-: oh wait i dunno which mona vale you're talking about, there's a couple i think
[00:37:00] adante: is mona vale generally considered out in the boonies?
[00:37:00] Agrajag-: yeah if it's the one i thikn you're talking about then.. yeah it's not too well known
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[00:38:00] Agrajag-: oh wait i just checked whereis.com.au
[00:38:00] Agrajag-: it's not as far away as i thought it was
[00:39:00] adante: fair enough
[00:43:00] mchou: anybody use unichrom in linux here?
[00:43:00] mchou: unichrome*
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[00:43:00] mchou: wondering how much of a pain in the ass it will be in linux. Cheap HW.
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[00:45:00] mchou: haha, xris, I just heard the NPR segment on WA governor's race......
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[00:46:00] xris: mchou: it's been a day of big news.
[00:47:00] mchou: guess gregoire can focus on her job now. :)
[00:48:00] xris: well, still has to go to the state supreme court
[00:48:00] mchou: "Republicans still have the option to appeal to the State Supreme Court"
[00:49:00] mchou: hmm??? Is the Republican machine that stupid in WA?
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[00:53:00] djperegrin: mchou I used to live there
[00:53:00] djperegrin: now I live where they are even stoopider
[00:53:00] djperegrin: cali :D
[00:54:00] mchou: heh, I live in CA.
[00:54:00] mchou: whois djperegrin
[00:54:00] johnl: hey, i am having a problem, on my fx5200 tvout, the screen is tearing during playback.... I thought that it might be that XvMC wasnt enabled, so I turned it on and it crashed out the frontend
[00:54:00] djperegrin: ?
[00:54:00] mchou: djperegrin: where in CA are you?
[00:54:00] djperegrin: oh berkeley
[00:54:00] mchou: wow, berkeley is dda bomb!!
[00:55:00] djperegrin: Yea
[00:55:00] mchou: you a student there or...?
[00:55:00] djperegrin: well
[00:55:00] djperegrin: highschool
[00:55:00] mchou: haha.
[00:55:00] johnl: help?
[00:56:00] mchou: djperegrin: berkeley is great. Great food for cheap.
[00:56:00] mchou: not to mention UC Berkeley :)
[00:56:00] djperegrin: Yes!
[00:56:00] djperegrin: my school is 2 blocks away from telegraph :DDD
[00:56:00] djperegrin: and open campus
[00:56:00] mchou: I go to plearns thai whenever I get a chance.....Best pad thai in bay area :)
[00:57:00] djperegrin: never heard of it
[00:57:00] mchou: lol
[00:57:00] djperegrin: :>
[00:57:00] mchou: on university, right next to old theatre.
[00:57:00] djperegrin: I just got flash working with myth
[00:57:00] djperegrin: but the sound lag is really bad
[00:57:00] ** djperegrin tries gplflash **
[00:58:00] mchou: djperegrin: lol, why you wasting time on that virus.
[00:58:00] djperegrin: ?
[00:58:00] mchou: flash is just plainly abused by so many places.
[00:58:00] djperegrin: I love flash movies
[00:58:00] djperegrin: fullscreen flash :O
[00:58:00] mchou: it's like saying I wanna pop-ups with my browser! Makes no sense at all.
[00:59:00] djperegrin: :O
[00:59:00] djperegrin: I am talking about flash animations
[00:59:00] mchou: djperegrin: that's what I was referring to
[01:00:00] djperegrin: nothing to do with popups :>
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[01:02:00] mchou: djperegrin: you shop at berkeley bowl at all?
[01:02:00] djperegrin: yep
[01:02:00] djperegrin: dopest super market ever
[01:02:00] mchou: man, that's a great place.
[01:02:00] djperegrin: telegraph is better though :P
[01:02:00] mchou: they should branch out.
[01:02:00] djperegrin: NO!
[01:02:00] djperegrin: lol
[01:02:00] mchou: nah, telegraph aint better.
[01:02:00] djperegrin: :O
[01:03:00] djperegrin: dude As a DJ, yes telegraph is better ;P
[01:03:00] mchou: bah, telegraph is overrated for music.
[01:04:00] mchou: my fav store on telegraph is amoeba
[01:04:00] djperegrin: Duh
[01:04:00] djperegrin: I just got like 7 records for 4 bucks
[01:04:00] djperegrin: after finals
[01:04:00] mchou: records as in vinyl or CDs?
[01:05:00] djperegrin: vinyal
[01:05:00] mchou: hmm, nice.
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[01:08:00] jemarcks_: mchou, howdy
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[01:36:00] johnl: does anyone here use an fx5200 for their tvout?
[01:40:00] johnl: Ive got this nasty tearing problem on my tv and its really annoying me
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[01:53:00] john_l: anyone have any idea why video would be tearing while watching video streams?
[01:53:00] john_l: it looks like vsync is off, but i've tried turning on and off all of the sync options in nvidia-settings
[01:56:00] john_l: im also having issues with xvmc not cooperating, if anyone is here....
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[02:04:00] defy: is it possible to use transcode, or another cmd line ap to rip the first frame out of a file (any format, i think thats the tricky bit) and save as a jpeg?
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[02:10:00] john_l: defy, aint nobody here man
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[02:11:00] NightMonkey: defy: Yes, it's possible.
[02:11:00] defy: true =/
[02:11:00] NightMonkey: defy: Myth itself does that.
[02:11:00] GeckoFiend: john_l the nvidia settings stuff isn't gonna make a whole lot of difference. ... Do you have opengl vsync on?
[02:11:00] defy: hrmm, any idea what the right direction is? I cant seem to find it in the man page or help menu, but people keep telling me its possible
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[02:12:00] NightMonkey: defy: Let me check out how MythWeb does it. One moment.
[02:12:00] defy: thanks
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[02:24:00] NightMonkey: defy: Check out the command used at the beginning of this page: http://mjpeg.sourceforge.net/quality.html
[02:25:00] defy: awesome, thank you
[02:26:00] NightMonkey: defy: And here, looks more in-depth: http://www.circle.ch/wiki/MpegToJpeg
[02:27:00] NightMonkey: defy: That one shows how you could just use mplayer alone.
[02:27:00] defy: are these something I'll have to install codecs for so it works with all kinds of video streams?
[02:27:00] defy: sweet
[02:28:00] NightMonkey: defy: Hmm... well, that depends on your distribution and how it builds mplayer, or, what you compile into mplayer itself.
[02:28:00] NightMonkey: defy: I'd just try mplayer, personally.
[02:29:00] NightMonkey: defy: Install your distros build of mplayer.
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[02:29:00] NightMonkey: defy: And take a whack at it.
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[02:30:00] defy: yea, this is actually unrelated to mythtv, but i knew mythtv was able to do it...whatever software is easiest to install on the widest range of distro's will probably win
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[02:30:00] defy: so mplayer might be it
[02:30:00] NightMonkey: defy: Try it. It's free ;).
[02:30:00] defy: that page also mentioned imagemagic...that would be even better
[02:30:00] defy: thanks for the help :)
[02:30:00] NightMonkey: defy: Also free.
[02:30:00] NightMonkey: defy: No problem.
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[02:38:00] john-l: anyone know why there would be tearing on my tv on a fx5200
[02:38:00] john-l: I figured out how to get xvmc running... had to reinstall the driver
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[02:45:00] johnboy: damn xwindows keeps crashing out
[02:45:00] johnboy: anyone have any idea what would be causing tearing on the tvscreen when watching streams?
[02:46:00] Riff-Raff: vsync?
[02:47:00] Riff-Raff: is you refresh rate a multiple of the tv refresh rate?
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[02:48:00] johnboy: tv is 60, right?
[02:48:00] johnboy: well, hell, for some reason I cant even change mine from 85
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[02:49:00] johnboy: im running fedora core 3 and with the little screen rotation and resolution applet, it only lets me select 85
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[02:53:00] Riff-Raff: tv is 30 for ntsc and 25 for pal
[02:53:00] Riff-Raff: any multiple of those should work
[02:53:00] johnboy: in my xorg.conf, if I change the VertRefresh setting from "50 – 90" to "60" would that force the screen to have a 60hz refresh?
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[02:57:00] Riff-Raff: if there is a 60Hz setting available
[02:57:00] Riff-Raff: either in the conf or build-in
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[02:59:00] johnboy: ill give that a shot
[03:00:00] johnboy: hopefully i wont break the computer (again)
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[03:15:00] johnboy: well I still have some tearing, it helped but not totally fixed
[03:15:00] johnboy: now my monitor is set to 60hz
[03:29:00] johnboy: anybody her
[03:29:00] johnboy: here?
[03:30:00] GotD0t: yup
[03:30:00] johnboy: you know what else would be causing screen tearing beside refresh rate?
[03:30:00] Riff-Raff: I cannot think of anything else
[03:31:00] GotD0t: well if you would stop abusing it then maybe it would stop tearing
[03:31:00] GotD0t: ok guess not
[03:32:00] johnboy: its set to 60hz now and instead of lots of little tears, theres one tear every few seconds that goes up the length of the screen
[03:33:00] johnboy: could it still be a little off or something?
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[03:33:00] AlbinoTux: Has anyone here looked at DTV (Broadcast Machine)?
[03:34:00] johnboy: Riff-Raff, does the horizontal sync need to be changed as well?
[03:35:00] johnboy: im going to try that real quick, brb
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[03:36:00] abarbaccia: hey all – mythmusic won't recognise my cdburner, yet cdrecord -scanbus dev=/dev/hdb sees it
[03:36:00] rjune: abarbaccia: just had that problem myself
[03:36:00] rjune: check two things.
[03:37:00] rjune: 1. /dev/cdrom is a symlink to /dev/hdb
[03:37:00] rjune: 2. check your setup, under media settings. make sure that the cdrom device is set to /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdb(/dev/cdrom is a better plan)
[03:37:00] Riff-Raff: johnp_: horiz sync does not matter
[03:42:00] abarbaccia: rjune, both of those things are set correctly
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[03:46:00] abarbaccia: rjune, when you do cdrecord -scanbus does it come up with any devices?
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[03:58:00] abarbaccia: rjune, im going to try adding the boot option like it recommended in myth – i'll update you tomorrow later on
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[04:19:00] quink: anyone here get mythstreamtv to work?
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[04:49:00] Agrajag-: quink: yeah. except no audio.
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[04:54:00] quink: Agrajag-: i get this error, maybe you have an idea
[04:54:00] quink: [00000001] main vlc error: could not create /home/httpd/.vlc (No such file or directory)
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[04:55:00] RossTFarian: try mkdir -p /home/httpd/.vlc
[04:55:00] quink: thats not really the fix i was hoping for :P
[04:55:00] RossTFarian: and then chown the .vlc directory to your apache user
[04:56:00] RossTFarian: my guess is that your apache is running as user httpd
[04:56:00] RossTFarian: and you don't have a /home/httpd
[04:56:00] quink: yep
[04:57:00] quink: vlc: unknown option `--sout-transcode-fps=5'
[04:57:00] quink: i guess it compiled wrong
[04:57:00] quink: using gentoo btw
[04:57:00] RossTFarian: and you're probably trying to use mythstreamtv from the web interface...
[04:57:00] quink: well, yes isn't that the point?
[04:58:00] Agrajag-: yes it is
[04:58:00] Agrajag-: did you compile ffmpeg and vlc the way the docs describe?
[04:58:00] Agrajag-: it looks like you didn't from that error
[04:59:00] quink: no, i just did them how gentoo compiles
[04:59:00] quink: figured i'd give it a whirl
[05:01:00] quink: well i guess i'll just go compile
[05:05:00] quink: why wouldn't it use /tmp instead of /home/httpd?
[05:08:00] Agrajag-: user specific vlc settings
[05:08:00] Agrajag-: i'd say it's trying to use the gui version possibly
[05:08:00] quink: i can't find where to change it
[05:08:00] quink: and i only have terminal access
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[05:45:00] Jurian_Knight: hmm... I can't get .htaccess to work... anyone here have FC3?
[05:50:00] Riff-Raff: no, but does your apache config allow for the directives you are trying to use in .htaccess
[05:51:00] Jurian_Knight: yeah, i got AllowOverride in <directory/> set to all (that's what google tells me to do :|)
[05:52:00] Jurian_Knight: unless i need to change something else in the config...
[05:52:00] Riff-Raff: ok, what are you trying to do?
[05:52:00] Jurian_Knight: password protect my mythweb directory
[05:53:00] Riff-Raff: see apache's error.log
[05:54:00] Riff-Raff: and make sure you use the right htpasswd, I'm not sure about you but my debian system seems to have htpasswd and htpasswd2
[05:54:00] quink: for mythstreamtv what ports do i need to open to access it outside of my lan?
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[05:55:00] Jurian_Knight: Riff, anything in particular i should look for? it doesn't like that i don't have a favicon.ico, but that's not what we're looking for...
[05:55:00] Riff-Raff: that's no problem
[05:55:00] Riff-Raff: well, look for any problems
[05:56:00] Riff-Raff: what is it your browser complains about?
[05:56:00] Jurian_Knight: my browser doesn't complain, my htaccess won't work, mythweb displays normally
[05:57:00] Riff-Raff: aa
[05:57:00] Riff-Raff: did you restart apache after modifyind it's config?
[05:57:00] Jurian_Knight: yeah
[05:57:00] Jurian_Knight: the only errors in apache's log is the favicon.ico not found :P
[05:58:00] quink: make a favicon then
[05:58:00] Jurian_Knight: :P
[05:59:00] quink: use irfanview and save any image as an ico file that works properly
[06:03:00] quink: any of you know of a good text web browser? i am trying to remotely configure my router but lynx and links won't let me apply any settings
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[06:04:00] quink: oh wait nm
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[06:08:00] Jurian_Knight: got it to work, thanks
[06:09:00] Jurian_Knight: (not the icon :P)
[06:18:00] quink: any of you using mythstreamtv get a lot of dead VLC processes laying in the bg?
[06:25:00] Agrajag-: quink: elinks is excellent
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[06:34:00] BMOC: hi, anyone using ivtv .3.6?
[06:34:00] BMOC: and getting grey screen?:)
[06:34:00] twisted_one: yes
[06:34:00] twisted_one: no
[06:34:00] BMOC: did you remove the black magic option from modprobe.conf?
[06:34:00] twisted_one: yes
[06:34:00] BMOC: so what do you have in there now?
[06:34:00] twisted_one: one second
[06:34:00] BMOC: k
[06:36:00] twisted_one: hrmm
[06:36:00] twisted_one: not sure where its at actually
[06:36:00] BMOC: look for ivtv
[06:36:00] twisted_one: I am...
[06:36:00] twisted_one: grep ivtv /etc/*/*
[06:36:00] mchou: heh, I guess I've been pretty out of it, but this is funny: http://www.site-9.com/blog/archives/2004/09/h . . . _krypto.html
[06:37:00] twisted_one: returns nothing
[06:37:00] BMOC: lsmod |grep ivtv
[06:37:00] twisted_one: its loaded
[06:37:00] BMOC: how about /etc/rc.local?
[06:37:00] twisted_one: but I dont see any conf file
[06:37:00] BMOC: hmm
[06:37:00] twisted_one: LOL!
[06:37:00] twisted_one: Whoops
[06:37:00] twisted_one: my SSH session got disconnected, wrong machine =P
[06:38:00] mchou: twisted_one: you read that article?
[06:38:00] twisted_one: alias char-major-81 videodev
[06:38:00] twisted_one: alias char-major-81–0 ivtv
[06:38:00] twisted_one: alias char-major-81–1 ivtv
[06:38:00] twisted_one: alias char-major-81–2 bttv
[06:38:00] twisted_one: options cx25840 no_black_magic=1
[06:38:00] twisted_one: mchou: going to in one second =)
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[06:38:00] mchou: haha....
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[06:39:00] BMOC: bttv??
[06:39:00] BMOC: what version of the driver are you using?
[06:39:00] mchou: BMOC: sure,what's wrong with that?
[06:40:00] BMOC: mchou: he's using the bttv driver for a pvr 150?
[06:40:00] twisted_one: lol, nice
[06:40:00] mchou: he has three cards, one of which is a SW encoder.....
[06:40:00] BMOC: i'm just talking about the pvr 150 or 250 or whatever
[06:40:00] twisted_one: pvr 500 actually
[06:40:00] BMOC: twisted_one: you are using 3.6d?
[06:40:00] mchou: ok, same dealio.
[06:40:00] BMOC: mchou: not really, the black magic option is gone in latest ivtv driver
[06:40:00] twisted_one: whatever was newest today when I upgraded
[06:41:00] twisted_one: b
[06:41:00] twisted_one: .36b
[06:41:00] BMOC: /usr/bin/ivtvctl --info
[06:41:00] mchou: bah, modinfo is the thing to suse.
[06:41:00] mchou: use*
[06:41:00] twisted_one: suse, hah
[06:41:00] twisted_one: meh I sitll have the tarball sitting ehr so i just did checked that =P
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[06:42:00] mchou: sheesh: you getting tiresome :)
[06:42:00] BMOC: well, it's for another channel
[06:42:00] mchou: show us a new trick, will ya? :)
[06:42:00] Cardoe: yo
[06:43:00] twisted_one: yo
[06:43:00] twisted_one: =)
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[06:43:00] BMOC: at any rate, the screen is just grey and fuzzy
[06:43:00] BMOC: any ideas?
[06:43:00] BMOC: when i upgraded to .3.6d
[06:43:00] twisted_one: what card?
[06:43:00] BMOC: pvr-150
[06:43:00] mchou: lol, if new driver doesnt work, revert to an older version that does. End of story.
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[06:44:00] BMOC: not sure if it's the driver or not
[06:44:00] twisted_one: mchou: shut up, thats complicated =P
[06:44:00] twisted_one: BMOC: one second
[06:44:00] mchou: how's is it complicated??
[06:44:00] BMOC: i just realized it wasn't the driver that was causing another problem
[06:44:00] BMOC: which i think is fixed now
[06:44:00] twisted_one: oh
[06:44:00] twisted_one: ok
[06:44:00] twisted_one: mchou: shush, you know what I mean
[06:44:00] BMOC: for one thing they removed the black magic option
[06:44:00] BMOC: and another thing is needing to start mythtvbackend before ivtv module is loaded
[06:45:00] BMOC: mythtvbackend is not run till after rc.local though
[06:45:00] twisted_one: meh
[06:45:00] twisted_one: restart it =P
[06:45:00] BMOC: nah, i'm just starting it from rc.local now
[06:45:00] twisted_one: that works
[06:45:00] twisted_one: what distro?
[06:46:00] BMOC: fc3
[06:46:00] Cardoe: who can keep up with ivtv revs?
[06:46:00] twisted_one: (I need to learn more about other distros)
[06:46:00] Cardoe: they come out 2 an hour
[06:46:00] twisted_one: Cardoe: I can
[06:46:00] twisted_one: =\
[06:46:00] Cardoe: There's like 48 releases in a day
[06:46:00] twisted_one: true
[06:46:00] twisted_one: Hrmm
[06:46:00] mchou: Cardoe: haha, good point
[06:47:00] twisted_one: I think Im going to write my first ebuild for this. =)
[06:47:00] twisted_one: gentoo-docs here I caome
[06:47:00] twisted_one: come*
[06:47:00] BMOC: a lot of people have problem of modprobe.conf not autoloading ivtv
[06:47:00] ** xris misses svn **
[06:47:00] mchou: I almost wish we had someone who didn't release ivtv so often
[06:47:00] twisted_one: whys that?
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[06:48:00] mchou: like give a chance for drive to shake out bugs b4 moving to the new one, lol
[06:48:00] twisted_one: meh, he just keeps his work available
[06:48:00] mchou: driver*
[06:48:00] mchou: hmm, maybe
[06:48:00] twisted_one: might as well before he goes and impliments 20 features on top of something only to find out its borked from the beginning
[06:49:00] mchou: bah, that's what cvs is for. Not bona fide releases.
[06:49:00] twisted_one: true
[06:49:00] twisted_one: oh well
[06:49:00] mchou: like once every two wks should be enough :)
[06:50:00] mchou: twisted_one: there probably arent twenty features for ivtv :)
[06:50:00] mchou: how many drivers you know have >20 features??
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[07:30:00] ** KarlosII yelps WOW, sarge finally got released, did something freeze over???? **
[07:32:00] ** KarlosII dances **
[07:33:00] mchou: huh??
[07:33:00] KarlosII: yes
[07:33:00] KarlosII: really
[07:33:00] KarlosII: I'm in shock too
[07:34:00] mchou: hmm, interesting
[07:35:00] mchou: too bad ppl will probably just use etch now instead :)
[07:35:00] Cardoe: does someone use an XMLTV grabber?
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[07:36:00] Agrajag-: yep
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[07:36:00] Cardoe: can ya do me a favor?
[07:36:00] Cardoe: send me one of the output files from xmltv?
[07:36:00] mchou: haha.
[07:36:00] Cardoe: before mythfilldatabase parses it
[07:37:00] Agrajag-: as in just the xml file?
[07:37:00] Cardoe: yup
[07:37:00] Cardoe: mchou: ?
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[07:37:00] Cardoe: Agrajag-: cardoe@gentoo.org
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[07:37:00] Agrajag-: Cardoe: http://home.whatsbeef.net:1339/~filip/guide.xml
[07:37:00] mchou: Cardoe: I dont get it. just run xmltv yourself :)
[07:38:00] Cardoe: I don't have it installed
[07:38:00] Cardoe: nor do I have all the perl deps installed
[07:38:00] Cardoe: rather then installing it
[07:38:00] Cardoe: I was hoping someone might be nice.
[07:38:00] mchou: what, you a gentoo user? lol :)
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[07:38:00] Cardoe: mchou: now that was a dumb question no?
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[07:40:00] mchou: haha Agrajag- : "Turned Out – Sexual Assault Behind Bars"
[07:40:00] mchou: you aussies get some scary programming from US :)
[07:40:00] Agrajag-: haha
[07:40:00] mchou: read the description.
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[07:42:00] mchou: Agrajag-: I think the next program in the series should be: "Guantanamo"
[07:42:00] Agrajag-: haha what a quality show
[07:42:00] Agrajag-: pity it was on yesterday :(
[07:42:00] mchou: hehe. "Quran Abuse"
[07:43:00] mchou: "Prison Guards peform bodily functions on the Quran"
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[07:46:00] Cardoe: hrm
[07:46:00] Cardoe: in MythWeb
[07:46:00] Cardoe: if I click on a video
[07:46:00] Cardoe: it says I don't have permission
[07:47:00] Cardoe: and it got a 403 loading the error doc
[07:47:00] Cardoe: If I go the the video_dir
[07:47:00] Cardoe: I can manually click on the videos.
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[08:04:00] Cardoe: anyone know how to access a file via the myth protocol?
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[10:39:00] Araldit: I've been away from my HTPC for a while, so can someone tell me the status of PVR-150 development. Is it working, and which version ivtv should I use?
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[12:01:00] abarbaccia: Araldit, its working pretty nicely now, use the latest version of .3.x
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[13:16:00] lespiggot: hi does nayone have a BFG GEFORCE 5200 graphics card running with mythtv. I was thinking of buying the 256Mb RAM w tvout rather than the Geforce FX5200 but though I should check first, been stung too many times with cheaper hardware that promises lots and delivers none :( Any ideas?
[13:18:00] fryfrog: pretty much any nvidia card is going to be the same
[13:18:00] fryfrog: you don't need more than 128M of ram, just be sure to get one with TV out. Maybe make sure it has DVI out to, for the future
[13:19:00] fryfrog: all nvidia boards are based on the same reference design, i just try to get a brand i trust
[13:19:00] fryfrog: like chaintech, asus, aopen, abit, etc
[13:19:00] fryfrog: i think bfg is a decent maker too
[13:20:00] lespiggot: fryfrog: TBH I've not heard of them before (at least here in the UK) so I wasn't too sure. Its on ebay but half the price of other brand new FX 5200 cards hence it seemed too good to be true
[13:21:00] fryfrog: it may be to good to be true, could be the seller is gonna stiff ya :(
[13:21:00] fryfrog: i don't like ebay very much :(
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[13:22:00] lespiggot: yup, thats the one :( PCI graphic cards are very old news so very few retail shops here are selling them, if they do, its at a premium for like 4x AGP prices
[13:32:00] lespiggot: fryfrog: the BFG card doens't have the DVI out, so I think I'll stay clear (at least for the next hour ;) ) thanks
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[13:50:00] fryfrog: oh yeah, you need pci
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[14:32:00] CyberKnet: all hail the x86 Mac. ;)
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[14:34:00] CyberKnet: sup gecko
[14:34:00] laga: CyberKnet: nice attempt
[14:34:00] CyberKnet: laga: ?
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[14:35:00] laga: 15:32 < CyberKnet> all hail the x86 Mac. ;)
[14:35:00] laga: you troll ;)
[14:36:00] CyberKnet: laga: I wouldn't troll about something so important.
[14:36:00] laga: heh
[14:36:00] CyberKnet: laga: Apple acknowledged it yesterday in the WWDC keynote by Steve Jobs.
[14:36:00] laga: i know.
[14:36:00] laga: i wish i didn't :/
[14:36:00] CyberKnet: don't we all
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[14:40:00] ** CyberKnet weeps for the Apple's loss **
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[14:50:00] CyberKnet: mmm.... caffeine
[14:50:00] laga: \o/
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[14:52:00] CyberKnet: I neeed a ton more of it though.
[14:53:00] CyberKnet: I hate coffee, but I think I need an espresso or three.
[14:54:00] CyberKnet: need a super jump start
[14:54:00] laga: heh
[14:54:00] laga: no coffee for me today, thanks.
[14:54:00] laga: i was way too hyper yesterday
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[14:55:00] GeckoFiend: heya CyberKnet
[14:56:00] laga: hi GeckoFiend
[14:56:00] CyberKnet: heya GeckoFiend
[14:58:00] CyberKnet: I wonder if an MD would help...
[14:58:00] laga: MD?
[14:58:00] CyberKnet: Mtn Dew
[14:58:00] laga: oh, heh
[15:00:00] CyberKnet: now with 5 times the C8H10N4O2.
[15:01:00] laga: ouch
[15:01:00] laga: how moch caffeine per serving?
[15:01:00] CyberKnet: no idea. I think It just has four times the caffeine of Coke, from memory
[15:01:00] CyberKnet: but no idea how much caffeine in coke
[15:02:00] laga: heh
[15:03:00] CyberKnet: 55mg in 12oz of mountain dew
[15:03:00] GeckoFiend: CyberKnet heh I drink espresso, coffe and "No Fear"
[15:03:00] CyberKnet: looks like coke has 34mg of caffeine / 12oz
[15:04:00] CyberKnet: interesting.
[15:04:00] CyberKnet: espresso would have 100mg in 1.5–2oz
[15:04:00] CyberKnet: wowsers.
[15:06:00] laga: 55mg?
[15:06:00] laga: heh
[15:06:00] laga: our gas station sells canned coffee that has 170 mg/serving
[15:06:00] laga: i was like glued to the ceiling after that
[15:08:00] CyberKnet: I think I need a good 12oz of espresso.
[15:08:00] laga: heh
[15:09:00] GeckoFiend: CyberKnet try one of the "Starbucks Doubleshots", it's like 3 oz of espresso and 3 oz of cream
[15:11:00] iggy: caffeine and 3 pounds on the gut
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[15:21:00] Beirdo: hehe
[15:22:00] ** Beirdo is drinking a crappy office coffee **
[15:26:00] Beirdo: dammit. cfengine you verbose bitch!
[15:28:00] GeckoFiend: Beirdo heh i'm drinking Starbucks espresso roast brewed as coffee :-p
[15:28:00] Beirdo: mmm. That would certainly do
[15:29:00] Beirdo: although there's more caffeine in the lighter roasts
[15:30:00] GeckoFiend: I used to drink "Fair Trade" but I have to drive for 45 minutes just to get more, I can get their espresso raost in the store.
[15:30:00] ** GeckoFiend like a coffee with attitude **
[15:31:00] Beirdo: :)
[15:31:00] Beirdo: you get the taste but less caffeine
[15:31:00] Beirdo: a good trade off
[15:32:00] Beirdo: I'm kinda partial to getting Venti Americano
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[15:40:00] CyberKnet: I want the caffeine without the taste =)
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[15:41:00] watson540: hey does anyone here know if mythtvb will work with the usbvision driver for hauppage wintv usb?
[15:41:00] laga: CyberKnet: buy caffeine pills
[15:41:00] CyberKnet: laga: heh. 200mg in one pill. that's quite a lot.
[15:41:00] laga: i know.
[15:41:00] CyberKnet: watson540: unlikely.
[15:41:00] laga: trust me: don't mix beer with those pills. ;)
[15:41:00] CyberKnet: heh
[15:42:00] watson540: figures..think it'll work with my 9800 AIW?? that is if i ever managed to figure out those gatos drivers
[15:43:00] Beirdo: caffeine pills are good for keeping you from getting withdrawl :)
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[15:44:00] GeckoFiend: watson540 the AIW will not work either.
[15:44:00] watson541: damnitt..i accidentally closed my window
[15:45:00] GeckoFiend: watson541 the AIW will not work either.
[15:45:00] GeckoFiend: this is convered on the website...
[15:45:00] watson541: crap...gonna have to break down and buy a real card :)
[15:46:00] nodecam: I've got a working backend (know it's working because my xbox frontend connects fine etc)
[15:46:00] nodecam: but when I try to view stuff on the same machine using mythfronted,
[15:46:00] watson541: well I figured usbvision would work with it, cause it's been around for a while
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[15:46:00] nodecam: I get "Unable to initialize video"
[15:46:00] nodecam: any idead?
[15:46:00] nodecam: s
[15:46:00] nodecam: Not trying to do tvout or anytghing.
[15:47:00] maniacxs: nodecam: what does the logfile say?
[15:47:00] nodecam: which logfile?
[15:47:00] maniacxs: how do you start mythfrontend?
[15:47:00] nodecam: .xsession
[15:48:00] maniacxs: do you have a parameter for logfile?
[15:48:00] maniacxs: --logfile <filename>
[15:48:00] nodecam: sorry – phone call.
[15:49:00] nodecam: no logfile specified.  :( I actually tried it from the commandline first, but I can't remember what the message was.
[15:49:00] maniacxs: please put it in there and check the logfile.
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[15:49:00] nodecam: pretty useless :)
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[15:51:00] nodecam: is there an easy way to remote control the frontend? I'm ssh'd to the box, but don't have control of the display.
[15:52:00] nodecam: Or a not so easy way?  :)
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[15:52:00] maniacxs: what do you mean with easy way? isn't ssh a good way?
[15:52:00] nodecam: I mean to tell it to play a video "in the dark"
[15:53:00] maniacxs: i am using a remote control and it works very good.
[15:53:00] nodecam: Sorry – I'm not being clear. I'm at a remote location (and can't see the monitor that the frontend is running on)
[15:54:00] maniacxs: oh .. ok
[15:54:00] maniacxs: try ssh X-Forward if you have good up /down stream
[15:54:00] nodecam: Not good enough unfortunately.
[15:54:00] maniacxs: or try it with vnc
[15:55:00] nodecam: I'll see what I can do :)
[15:55:00] nodecam: thanks.
[15:55:00] maniacxs: if you want to check the logfiles you can start mythtv not the frontend. mythtv starts the livetv.
[15:56:00] nodecam: Good tip. I'll give that a try.
[15:56:00] maniacxs: don't forget to use $DISPLAY
[16:02:00] nodecam: I don't get the same message as on mythfrontend. Things actually look like they might be working.
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[16:03:00] nodecam: :/
[16:04:00] nodecam: I'll have to try again when I'm at the monitor, and see what I can come up with.
[16:04:00] nodecam: Thanks.
[16:04:00] maniacxs: ok
[16:04:00] maniacxs: np
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[16:57:00] ** Beirdo curses cfengine **
[16:57:00] Beirdo: stop crashing, you bitch
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[17:09:00] Beirdo: Hmm.
[17:09:00] Beirdo: WTF?
[17:09:00] Beirdo: all of a sudden a 1h program is 3.2G?!
[17:09:00] Beirdo: wonder what I changed
[17:10:00] Beirdo: hah
[17:11:00] Beirdo: I told it to record using "Live TV"
[17:11:00] Beirdo: oops
[17:15:00] riksta: lol
[17:15:00] riksta: muppet
[17:16:00] Beirdo: it wasn't the muppets :)
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[17:25:00] Beirdo: heya, xris
[17:26:00] Beirdo: good morning
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[17:26:00] Beirdo: and there's the minion :)
[17:26:00] Beirdo: morning, kormoc
[17:26:00] xris: heh
[17:26:00] kormoc: Morning :)
[17:26:00] ** Beirdo has been cursing cfengine all morning **
[17:27:00] kormoc: ooh? any reason?
[17:27:00] Beirdo: oh, it's just being a bitch as always
[17:27:00] kormoc: ahh, righto
[17:28:00] Beirdo: and as it manages like 100 servers, I have to be ultra-careful as to what changes I push out
[17:28:00] Beirdo: and it likes to implode at times
[17:28:00] Beirdo: quality free software
[17:29:00] Beirdo: had to blow away its databases and force it to regenerate them AGAIN
[17:29:00] Beirdo: stupid Berkeley DB using POS
[17:30:00] Beirdo: updating my myth setup :)
[17:30:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:30:00] Beirdo: one of these days, I'll switch to j-rod|afk's branch, but not right now
[17:31:00] ** xris wants osx for intel now. **
[17:31:00] Beirdo: I'd rather be home to do that
[17:31:00] Beirdo: bah
[17:31:00] Beirdo: I won't use that :)
[17:31:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:31:00] xris: you have osx for ppc
[17:31:00] Beirdo: yes
[17:31:00] Beirdo: I'm not paying for another version without a good reason
[17:32:00] xris: yes
[17:32:00] xris: well, I'd pay for it if I didn't have to get a new machine to go with it.
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[17:39:00] maniacxs: what do i have to do to get epg over air with myth's buildin code?
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[17:42:00] Beirdo: xris: we shall see
[17:42:00] Beirdo: I already have Windows, I have not much use for another desktop OS when all my games are Winblows
[17:42:00] xris: maniacxs: do you have atsc or dvb?
[17:43:00] Beirdo: even though it's a much nicer OS :)
[17:43:00] xris: Beirdo: I *really* don't like windows, though
[17:43:00] iggy: as far as apps go, you aren't much better off with a mac versus linux
[17:44:00] maniacxs: xris: using dvb
[17:44:00] Beirdo: exactly
[17:44:00] Beirdo: anyways, time to go cable a whack of servers
[17:44:00] JonK: The only must-use-windows apps I have at all are all games
[17:45:00] Beirdo: scanner stuff :)
[17:45:00] Beirdo: my film scanner only works in 'blows
[17:46:00] xris: maniacxs: I believe if you tune to the channel for 30 seconds or so, it'll grab the listing.
[17:46:00] xris: I believe that dopester is still working on the code to do that as part of mythfilldatabase.
[17:50:00] maniacxs: xris: it does not. I compiled mythtv with --enable-dvb-eit. In database i have useonairguide enabled.
[17:51:00] xris: maniacxs: then I have no clue.. I don't use it, myself.
[17:52:00] maniacxs: but thank you for the try.
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[17:56:00] xris: I may have just found my new firewall: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Ite . . . pr1c3grabb3r
[17:56:00] Baylink: beirdo: what kind of film scanner?
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[17:57:00] xris: hmm, only one pci port. guess that kills that.
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[18:23:00] stoffel: whom should i contact about wrong 'open proxy' entries for freenode?
[18:24:00] GeckoFiend: xris use an active PCI riser that adds a second PCI slot
[18:24:00] stoffel: 84.57.136.31 is banned and not listed as a dynamic IP, which it is
[18:25:00] xris: GeckoFiend: don't want to spend that much effort/money.
[18:27:00] CyberKnet: another Scotsman!
[18:27:00] CyberKnet: You are in good company, brother of mine.
[18:27:00] CyberKnet: =)
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[18:28:00] brejc8: xris GeckoFiend: I made a system with that barebones unit before and it is quite nicely built.
[18:29:00] xris: brejc8: but not enough pci slots to be a firewall
[18:29:00] brejc8: USB networking?
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[18:29:00] xris: that would require paying for the NIC. I have piles of 10/100 NIC's laying around.
[18:29:00] brejc8: The pundits are my fav
[18:30:00] tsoul2: postgresql support yet?
[18:30:00] brejc8: I made 5 now
[18:30:00] xris: tsoul2: in mythtv? no, probably never.
[18:30:00] tsoul2: sep2004 archives indicate it was being worked on...
[18:30:00] xris: brejc8: I love my pundit.
[18:30:00] xris: tsoul2: then you know more than me.
[18:30:00] tsoul2: xris: just out of curiosity, why probably never?
[18:31:00] xris: tsoul2: that was the official answer at one time. presumably it's changed.
[18:31:00] tsoul2: ah.
[18:31:00] brejc8: xris: Here they are £44 each now here and the new Celeron Ds are v. fast
[18:31:00] tsoul2: do multiple sources integrate smoothly? e.g., multiple DVB, multiple directv, etc?
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[18:32:00] GreyFoxx: There was a few people who wanted it and were looking to implement it, but as usual they disappeared
[18:32:00] JonK: how's the noise level on a pundit?
[18:32:00] brejc8: Mine are very quiet
[18:32:00] brejc8: Unless you hammer them
[18:32:00] xris: tsoul2: multiple dtv? wouldn't that just be one source with multiple cards?
[18:33:00] rjune: let's say I store my videos/music in /home/Multimedia on my backend. my frontend doesn't have to have access to /home/Multimedia @ the filesystem level to play them, right?
[18:33:00] tsoul2: xris: i have directv, dish, and dvb at the house.
[18:33:00] xris: tsoul2: but I use dishnetwork + atsc well enough.
[18:33:00] tsoul2: xris: how does myth delineate in the program guide the different sources?
[18:33:00] GreyFoxx: rjune: Yeah, it likely would require FS access(nfs is your friend). The only items streamed over the myth protocol are the myth recordings
[18:33:00] xris: tsoul2: they're different channid's
[18:33:00] rjune: GreyFoxx: ok
[18:33:00] brejc8: GreyFoxx: That reminds me. I looked through the code to generate a new menu class but I am a bit overwelmed by all the themes and object orientation etc. I will ahve to put that one on hold till I have a lot more time
[18:34:00] rjune: GreyFoxx: I'm ok with NFS, I just thought they all got streamed
[18:35:00] tsoul2: xris: cool. getting ready to build a system, just had a few final things to check.
[18:35:00] tsoul2: xris: the no postgres support is a little depressing, but guess I gotta live with it
[18:37:00] xris: tsoul2: I've never gotten into postgres.
[18:37:00] xris: but I've been running mythtv for over 2 years now, and it's great.
[18:37:00] xris: esp. mythweb.  ;)
[18:37:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[18:37:00] xris: except that its author has been slacking lately.
[18:37:00] ** xris kicks himself. **
[18:37:00] GreyFoxx: is summer, you're allowed
[18:38:00] xris: I'm working on other things.
[18:38:00] xris: like my recipe program
[18:38:00] xris: http://cooktools.forevermore.net/test
[18:38:00] xris: problem is, now I have to write the boring parts of it.
[18:39:00] rjune: xris: you ever see phprecipebook
[18:40:00] xris: rjune: I think so. but everything I've looked at sucks.
[18:40:00] xris: nothing out there supports measurements like "1 cup plus 1 tbsp"
[18:40:00] laga: i guess that if there was a nice mythrecipe, i'd start cooking.
[18:40:00] xris: lol
[18:41:00] laga: mind you, cooking != ramen ;)
[18:41:00] JonK: wiht on screen timers and ingredients
[18:41:00] laga: on screen timers are important.
[18:41:00] xris: rjune: my wife's a professional (pastry) cook. Nothing out there (commercial or open source) that we've found can handle plaintext recipe instructions like my program can.
[18:41:00] JonK: or just reminders once the timer expires, dont necessarily need to see the countdown,
[18:42:00] tsoul2: so with 3 or 4 tuners, I need 3 or 4 audio cards, right?
[18:42:00] tsoul2: is the setup a PITA if I don't want to use the onboard audio on the tuner cards?
[18:42:00] rjune: xris: you often have flour, one cup plus 1 tbsp ?
[18:42:00] xris: tsoul2: depends on the tuner.. pvr-x50 cards do their own audio.
[18:42:00] xris: rjune: it's very common in bread machine recipes.
[18:42:00] tsoul2: xris: i'm thinking about 250s.
[18:42:00] xris: tsoul2: they have their own audio input on the card.
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[18:43:00] tsoul2: xris: what if I want to use a separate audio card, is it tough to tie 'em together?
[18:43:00] xris: rjune: but plaintext is more important... phprecipebook is way too old school — line-by-line entry.
[18:43:00] xris: tsoul2: you can't.
[18:43:00] xris: the hauppauge cards do all of the encoding. if you don't use their audio input, you don't get audio.
[18:44:00] tsoul2: ugly.
[18:44:00] xris: tsoul2: how so?
[18:44:00] laga: that's not ugly.
[18:44:00] xris: makes MUCH more sense to me. one card, rather than two.
[18:44:00] rjune: xris: but phprecipebook will give you the cost of the dish, as well as let you make a fully ordered shopping list
[18:44:00] xris: rjune: and so will mine, eventually
[18:44:00] xris: it splits all of the ingredients and measurements out.
[18:45:00] xris: I just don't have the test displaying all of that at the moment.
[18:46:00] xris: it'll also end up doing nutritional info
[18:46:00] xris: ... if I ever get around to it.
[18:46:00] xris: I need to get it to actually store data first.
[18:46:00] tsoul2: xris: season pass type stuff is supported pretty well?
[18:47:00] xris: tsoul2: no clue, I don't watch sports.
[18:47:00] xris: or any ppv stuff like that
[18:48:00] tsoul2: xris: sorry, let me clarify: it's easy to record a whole season of programming of a given program?
[18:49:00] tsoul2: xris: e.g. anything sopranos will be recorded no matter what time it shows up on with proper episode detection?
[18:49:00] tsoul2: and is it easy to record anything by regex, f.i. "*rugby*" :)?
[18:49:00] tsoul2: multiple backends are supported well?
[18:50:00] GreyFoxx: I've never seen any regex matching when used with recording
[18:50:00] GreyFoxx: You can have slave backends though
[18:51:00] visit0r: I created a new release of the DVB subtitles patch: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~pjaaskel/mythtv-dvb_subtitles/ can someone give it a try?
[18:51:00] xris: GreyFoxx: there's actually a custom-query method set up in the keyword-search recording profile....
[18:51:00] xris: so you could do regex. dunno how available it is in the UI, though. I haven't had time to put any of that into mythweb.
[18:51:00] GreyFoxx: xris: Nifty.
[18:51:00] xris: tsoul2: as for the other stuff, yeah, very easy.
[18:52:00] laga: visit0r: someone on the ML was asking for the it, you could point him towards it.
[18:52:00] visit0r: yep, some guy contacted me.. I'll announce the patch on ML in a minute.
[18:53:00] laga: :)
[19:07:00] CyberKnet: (:
[19:09:00] CyberKnet: +++ATH^M
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[19:19:00] hadees: anyone use mythwifi?
[19:20:00] rjune: mythwifi?
[19:22:00] rjune: that's cool
[19:24:00] laga: what's mythwifi? mythremote in YAN?
[19:29:00] rjune: yea
[19:29:00] rjune: it's so you can use a handheld as a remote
[19:29:00] GeckoFiend: aaarrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
[19:29:00] laga: GeckoFiend: ack.
[19:31:00] GeckoFiend: I can't untar a file because there's "no space left on the device" when there's 31g free. I wonder if I'm out of inodes? That would be incredibly stupid
[19:31:00] laga: heh
[19:32:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[19:32:00] rjune: GeckoFiend: i think that's a different error
[19:32:00] rjune: GeckoFiend: easy test though
[19:33:00] rjune: ls /* > t
[19:33:00] rjune: if that works, you have inodes
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: or df -i )
[19:33:00] rjune: that too
[19:34:00] CyberKnet: GeckoFiend: Last time I had issues like that I had severe FS corruption. YMMV.
[19:34:00] CyberKnet: my hdd died.
[19:35:00] GeckoFiend: CyberKnet it's definitly inodes
[19:35:00] CyberKnet: GeckoFiend: Well, that's good. Sort of.
[19:35:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[19:35:00] GeckoFiend: delete a 1k text file and I can copy over a 35mb tar
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: GeckoFiend: you keep a ton of tiny files?
[19:36:00] adante: how can i stop mythtv from randomly adding new channels?
[19:36:00] GeckoFiend: heh I was untarring the source for X11 so I could build unichrome pro
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: heh
[19:36:00] GeckoFiend: adante it doesn't randomly add them
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: that'll sometimes do it.
[19:37:00] adante: GeckoFiend: ok, how can i stop mythtv from adding them :]
[19:37:00] adante: everytime i leave my box for a day and come back, these duplicate channels show up in the epg
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[19:37:00] GeckoFiend: adante using DVB?
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[19:37:00] adante: GeckoFiend: yep
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[19:38:00] GeckoFiend: search the dev mailing list, it's being dicussed there within the past week or so
[19:39:00] GeckoFiend: CyberKnet using a KM install as a bootstrap for a LFS build. Apparently they optimize the /myth partition for large files by limiting the inodes
[19:40:00] CyberKnet: Which would make sense... just a PITA for you right now.
[19:40:00] CyberKnet: unfortunately.
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[19:40:00] GeckoFiend: really baffles me... Why go to the trouble of limiting the inodes and still use ext3 for media files?!?!?
[19:40:00] CyberKnet: heh
[19:40:00] CyberKnet: that *is* a little perplexing =)
[19:41:00] CyberKnet: maybe someone should send them a hint.
[19:41:00] kormoc: ext3==easy to repair?
[19:42:00] GeckoFiend: kormoc nah Reiser / xfs are much more fault tolerant than ext3
[19:42:00] GeckoFiend: I never have to worry about my wife cycling the power on a myth box with xfs
[19:42:00] twisted_one: until she cycles it with A GIANT MAGNET!
[19:42:00] twisted_one: HA!
[19:43:00] twisted_one: (sorry, I need sleep)
[19:43:00] kormoc: GeckoFiend, neather do I for ext3 :P
[19:43:00] GeckoFiend: hrmmm what's the command to see what procs have a file open? I can't get this darn thing unmounted
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[19:43:00] rjune: GeckoFiend: lsof
[19:43:00] kormoc: GeckoFiend, and I know riser has has major bugs reciently iirc.
[19:43:00] GeckoFiend: kormoc heh as long as she knows the root password to fix the drive
[19:43:00] adante: GeckoFiend: found it, thank you!
[19:44:00] twisted_one: GeckoFiend: lol
[19:44:00] kormoc: it auto fixes on mount for the journal.
[19:44:00] twisted_one: kormoc: do you mind if your wife cooks for me?
[19:44:00] twisted_one: (I think you are not married, iirc)
[19:44:00] adante: that has been driving me nuts the past few weeks
[19:44:00] kormoc: twisted_one, sure, but you'll starve :P
[19:44:00] twisted_one: lol
[19:44:00] twisted_one: awesome
[19:44:00] twisted_one: nothing different than now =\
[19:44:00] twisted_one: stupid same food at work EVERY day.
[19:45:00] rjune: twisted_one: what food is that?
[19:45:00] GeckoFiend: kormoc I had an executive freak out on me because he'd cycled the power on a machine and it came up asking for the root password to fix the disk once. ever again
[19:45:00] twisted_one: hotdog, salad and a dr. pepper
[19:46:00] twisted_one: GeckoFiend: slap him
[19:46:00] kormoc: GeckoFiend, well, luckly my roommate runs linux on her box as well, so it wouldn't bug her :)
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[19:46:00] twisted_one: female roomate who uses linux>
[19:46:00] twisted_one: ?
[19:46:00] twisted_one: why are you not going after her? =P
[19:47:00] rjune: kormoc: female roomate?
[19:47:00] JonK: he told the landord that he was gay, like in three's company
[19:47:00] twisted_one: ha
[19:47:00] JonK: come and knock on our door!
[19:47:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[19:47:00] twisted_one: bah, gotta reboot for kernel
[19:47:00] kormoc: shes even a red head :)
[19:47:00] twisted_one: but waiting on kormocs response
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[19:48:00] twisted_one: trillian, bah
[19:48:00] kormoc: we dated long ago, didn't preticullary work then, won't really now imho.
[19:48:00] twisted_one: kormoc: send her my way, I'll be nice =)
[19:48:00] twisted_one: Then again thats my flaw
[19:48:00] kormoc: hehe, nah, tis okay :P
[19:48:00] twisted_one: I guess Im too nice, or so I have been told
[19:48:00] twisted_one: stupid women, bah
[19:49:00] twisted_one: Oh well, reboot
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[19:52:00] ** CyberKnet wonders why no vendors want to give him free (or close there-to) hardware **
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[19:53:00] CyberKnet: Very perplexing. All I want is a cisco router. I dont care how old it is, so long as it has 2x10BaseT and IOS =)
[19:53:00] CyberKnet: but it would appear that anything of that nature would be costing about a hundred bucks or more.
[19:53:00] CyberKnet: USD, of course.
[19:54:00] ** CyberKnet considers a possible CDN$ joke, but leaves it alone **
[19:54:00] twisted_one: yay, new gnome
[19:54:00] twisted_one: bah, stupid thing didnt work though, well the kernel issue
[19:54:00] twisted_one: I think its a kernel issue anywas
[19:55:00] twisted_one: oh well, bedtime
[19:55:00] CyberKnet: lmao. Slashdot posted a "ColdFusion!!!" article =)
[19:55:00] CyberKnet: how funny.
[19:58:00] CyberKnet: gah. Dvorak is so irritating.
[19:58:00] CyberKnet: (as in the person, not the keyboard layout)
[19:58:00] jasoncohen: is this line the correct format to backup mythconverg to a dated bzip2 file?  – "mysqldump -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -c | bzip2 -9 > mythbackup-`date +%m-%d-%y`.bz2"
[19:58:00] CyberKnet: -umythtv
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[19:59:00] CyberKnet: although I think -u mythtv will work too
[19:59:00] jasoncohen: yeah, they both work
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[20:01:00] CyberKnet: it's not the same as my command line, but I back up more than mythconverg
[20:01:00] CyberKnet: I also have a cacti database.
[20:01:00] ** CyberKnet loves cacti **
[20:02:00] GreyFoxx: I use a script that rotates and compresses the backups, keeping as many old ones as I tell it to.
[20:02:00] CyberKnet: I have a script that backs up, burns to CDRW, and uploads to an ftp site.
[20:02:00] JonK: you should just use rsync periodically
[20:03:00] mchou: twisted_one: lol, when women say yo're "nice," that's a euphanmism "I'm not that desperate."
[20:03:00] GreyFoxx: I don't care enough to curn to CD, I just rsync to another box
[20:03:00] laga: yeah. rsync. gotta rsync to my new scsi-raid1 and use the streamer in that box to do backups ;)
[20:03:00] CyberKnet: I lost my myth and cacti databases once, and I'd rather not do it again. So I change CDRW about once a week. The offsite ftp is really kind of redundant.
[20:04:00] CyberKnet: It's just because I can.
[20:04:00] GreyFoxx: I mysqldump to a different box than the one running the DB, plus I rsync that with a backup HD I have in my colo'd box
[20:04:00] Beirdo: someone rang while I was out?
[20:04:00] GreyFoxx: and that colo'd box is backed up to tape
[20:04:00] GreyFoxx: so I'm covered :)
[20:05:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: I think they were ringing at the back door for you =)
[20:05:00] ** CyberKnet ducks for cover **
[20:05:00] Beirdo: uh huh
[20:05:00] ** Beirdo kicks CyberKnet in the head **
[20:05:00] CyberKnet: dammit. always with the damn boot.
[20:05:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:05:00] ** GreyFoxx taps his fingers waiting for this mysql import to finish. *sigh*. Damn thing has been importing for almost 2 hours **
[20:05:00] Beirdo: I just spent almost 3 hours reracking and wiring servers
[20:06:00] JonK: joy of joys
[20:06:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: nice. I bet they look really pretty now.
[20:06:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: what you importing? myth?
[20:06:00] Beirdo: yeah, what a PITA
[20:06:00] GreyFoxx: mchou: No, a customers database for some scripting they want me to write. I asked for binary copies of the files and they sent me a mysqldump which would normally be fine, except it's a lot of data :)
[20:07:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: heh.
[20:07:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: ask them to tar the hole data directory next time. Faster :)
[20:07:00] mchou: whole*
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: I've got most of the script written but want to run it against the data
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: mchou: No, no it's not with this customer. Believe me
[20:08:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: heh
[20:08:00] GreyFoxx: 9 hour time difference, poor english skills, and absolutely 0 computer skills
[20:08:00] CyberKnet: "I'm pressing the 'on' button, and it wont *go* on."
[20:08:00] GreyFoxx: So I'm lucky I got this :)
[20:08:00] CyberKnet: <30 minutes of rambling later> "Oh, never mind, it's going on. Good job. Don't worry!"
[20:08:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: lol, tarring a directory is easier than a mysqldump :)
[20:09:00] ** CyberKnet watches mchou "mchou" it again. **
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[20:09:00] GreyFoxx: mchou: Explaining the the user HOW, when they don't understand (or barely understand) english, AND are terrified of the computer is not easier than my letting this import while I do other work :)
[20:10:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: bah, you could have just sent them the tar script :)
[20:10:00] GreyFoxx: mchou: Believe me, they would have not helped
[20:10:00] GreyFoxx: that
[20:10:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: wow, that backwards??
[20:10:00] GreyFoxx: "What do I do with it? How do I get it on the serveR? How do I make it execute? What does this message mean? What is my password again?" And of course all of that without using english :)
[20:11:00] mchou: huh???
[20:11:00] GreyFoxx: yes. I'm astounded they were able to get a mysqldump honestly
[20:11:00] mchou: tar a dir dont need passwd...???
[20:11:00] GreyFoxx: mchou: For them to login to the server would
[20:11:00] GreyFoxx: You are grossly over estimating the users abilities :)
[20:12:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: sometimes, the best transport for data is four wheels at 60mph =) But at least you got lucky this time and didn't need to =)
[20:12:00] GreyFoxx: Even if I wrote a script it has to be copied to the box, executed, the results copied off and sent to me, etc etc
[20:12:00] Beirdo: jeez, mchou... his customers are retards, what part of that don't you get? :)
[20:12:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: Considering they are 9 timezones away, yeah :)
[20:12:00] mchou: Beirdo: haha!
[20:12:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: heh =)
[20:13:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: Yeah. Sometimes some wings and a few more wheels are involved, too. heh.
[20:13:00] mchou: 9 timezones east or west? :)
[20:13:00] CyberKnet: and slightly higher speeds.
[20:13:00] laga: #
[20:13:00] GreyFoxx: East of me
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[20:14:00] mchou: ok, is there a dvb-devel irc channel?
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: #dvb
[20:14:00] mchou: more specificall, dvb for atsc......
[20:15:00] GreyFoxx: If anyone can tell ya the #dvb likely can :)
[20:15:00] mchou: ok, I'll give them a try....
[20:16:00] mchou: damn, that channel is deeader than ivtv :(
[20:16:00] mchou: deader*
[20:16:00] Beirdo: they saw you coming
[20:16:00] mchou: 25 ppl incl. me :(
[20:17:00] ** Beirdo cues Eric Clapton & B.B. King **
[20:19:00] mchou: I guess I gotta try my luck with the company.....
[20:19:00] mchou: sheesh.
[20:21:00] mchou: heh, a 160GB HDD new for $30.
[20:22:00] mchou: ppl are complaining that's too small. A 21st century moment....
[20:27:00] CyberKnet: mchou: brand, interface and store?
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[20:30:00] mchou: CyberKnet: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . =rb#moreinfo
[20:30:00] mchou: lil expired, sorry :(
[20:30:00] CyberKnet: Western digital, PATA, and rebates.
[20:30:00] CyberKnet: np.
[20:31:00] CyberKnet: Thanks anyway though.
[20:32:00] Beirdo: that's three strikes
[20:32:00] mchou: hehe.
[20:32:00] CyberKnet: for me, it is. But if other people like it, good for them.
[20:32:00] ** CyberKnet wants Seagate, SATA, and instant savings =) **
[20:32:00] mchou: I dont have any real issues w/ rebates as long as I get them.
[20:33:00] mchou: CyberKnet: lol, that's a wet dream man.
[20:33:00] CyberKnet: mchou: my problem has been in the getting them. But it's a personal opinion, and I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone else of anything.
[20:33:00] mchou: plus there have been numerous reports of seagates DOA.
[20:33:00] Beirdo: bah
[20:33:00] Beirdo: I've never heard of one
[20:33:00] mchou: which to me is a very worrisome sign....
[20:33:00] Beirdo: and they have a 5yr warranty
[20:34:00] mchou: 5 yr warranty dont mean crap if they are DOA. even WD does better than that :)
[20:34:00] CyberKnet: mchou: I respect your decision. The best of luck to both of us. =)
[20:34:00] ** GeckoFiend waits for X11 to build on a 1ghz nemiah proc **
[20:34:00] Beirdo: mchou: I have never heard of a Seagate being DOA
[20:34:00] mchou: CyberKnet: I didn't get it. My minimum is 250GB now :)
[20:34:00] Beirdo: stop buying shit off the back of the truck
[20:35:00] CyberKnet: mchou: fair enough.
[20:35:00] mchou: Beirdo: haha.
[20:35:00] mchou: Beirdo: I suggest google. I'm not making this shit up.
[20:35:00] Beirdo: sure you are
[20:35:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:35:00] Beirdo: I suggest doing some work :)
[20:36:00] CyberKnet: You know, as drive sizes go up, they sure do get a lot less economical =)
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: There is a magic point after which it doesn't make sense
[20:37:00] CyberKnet: indeed.
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[20:40:00] CyberKnet: currently that would be at 250Gb for $130 USD if you shop at newegg.
[20:40:00] CyberKnet: ymmv
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[20:41:00] mchou: nah, you can find it cheaper after rebates.
[20:41:00] CyberKnet: I'd rather not.
[20:41:00] CyberKnet: thanks anyway.
[20:41:00] mchou: I've seen as low as $0.25 AR.
[20:41:00] Beirdo: have fun with your scambates
[20:41:00] mchou: per GB.
[20:41:00] GeckoFiend: ok... does everyone get viagra spam out the ass or am I just on some "old dude" spammers list?
[20:41:00] CyberKnet: 0.52 / GB is a very good deal to me.
[20:42:00] CyberKnet: GeckoFiend: I dont know about "out the ass" but I get that and vicodin email all the time.
[20:42:00] Beirdo: GeckoFiend: you and me both, buddy
[20:42:00] Beirdo: hehe
[20:42:00] mchou: haha!
[20:42:00] mchou: viagra makes you blind!
[20:42:00] CyberKnet: "anyone got viagra out the ass?"
[20:43:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[20:43:00] mchou: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4670195
[20:43:00] laga: i really don't know what's upw ith those spammer guys. in my age, one honestly doesn't need viagra
[20:44:00] mchou: laga: maybe you need your vision "improved" :)
[20:45:00] mchou: viagra out the ass.....does that men that you have a big butt?
[20:45:00] mchou: mean*
[20:45:00] laga: heh
[20:47:00] CyberKnet: zipzoomfly will give you 0.51996 / GB on a 250Gb, but not really that much better.
[20:47:00] mchou: also check out this old story. Funny as heck. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3932735
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[21:01:00] Kronuz: hello
[21:01:00] Kronuz: hey, you know what's causing this, and how to fix it:
[21:01:00] Kronuz: bttv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_read
[21:01:00] Kronuz: bttv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog
[21:02:00] Kronuz: (that's when I'm starting the module ivtv-fb)
[21:02:00] laga: try depmod -a
[21:03:00] Kronuz: I did
[21:04:00] Kronuz: but the problem is still there
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[21:04:00] Kronuz: tveeprom is loaded, btw
[21:05:00] adante: what controls the size of the fonts in the EPG?
[21:05:00] adante: nm
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[21:07:00] Kronuz: :( I've looked on google, but with no luck
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[21:10:00] j-rod: Kronuz, I believe you need an updated v4l snap
[21:10:00] Kronuz: I'm using kernel 2.6.11.11
[21:11:00] j-rod: I still believe you need an updated v4l
[21:11:00] cygdev: pydb, where ?
[21:11:00] Kronuz: j-rod: how can I make that update to v4l?
[21:11:00] j-rod: a lot of the new tveeprom stuff won't be in the mainline kernel until 2.6.12
[21:11:00] Kronuz: oh I see
[21:12:00] Kronuz: so there's a patch for that, or how should I do it?
[21:12:00] j-rod: offhand, I dunno how to make it
[21:12:00] j-rod: I build kernel module rpms
[21:13:00] j-rod: but this should help: http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/
[21:13:00] j-rod: you probably need a snapshot from http://dl.bytesex.org/cvs-snapshots/
[21:14:00] xris: j-rod: none of that pr0n stuff in here.  ;)
[21:14:00] j-rod: :p
[21:14:00] j-rod: yeah, always liked gerd's domain name...
[21:14:00] Kronuz: j-rod: you think the 2.6.12-rc would fix it?
[21:14:00] j-rod: not sure
[21:15:00] Kronuz: :(
[21:15:00] j-rod: I know andrew morton has been merging v4l updates into his -mm tree
[21:15:00] j-rod: not sure what's been pulled up to Linus's tree
[21:15:00] j-rod: but those cvs snaps should build and work with your current kernel
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[21:16:00] Kronuz: cvs snaps of v4l, right?
[21:16:00] beastmcbeast: how do i generate my mysql.txt file?
[21:16:00] Kronuz: j-rod: where's the v4l cvs server?
[21:16:00] j-rod: Kronuz, yes
[21:16:00] Kronuz: (couldn't find it in their page)
[21:17:00] j-rod: uh, I sent you a download link a minute ago...
[21:17:00] j-rod: just grab a snapshot tarball
[21:17:00] j-rod: there is no public cvs access on bytesex.org
[21:17:00] j-rod: current cvs is actually maintained at linuxtv.org now
[21:18:00] j-rod: but I would still go with the tarball, they are generally somewhat stabilized, while cvs is undergoing some serious changes to tuner code right now
[21:18:00] Kronuz: what's bttv for, anyway?
[21:18:00] Kronuz: j-rod: oh, sorry, I missed it
[21:18:00] beastmcbeast: Kronuz: tv capture cards
[21:18:00] j-rod: one of the modules ivtv loads up likes to also call upon bttv for some damned reason
[21:18:00] j-rod: haven't bothered tracking it down, its harmless
[21:19:00] beastmcbeast: is there an application which generated mysql.txt or something?
[21:19:00] j-rod: Rum mythtv-setup
[21:19:00] Kronuz: j-rod: yeah, that's what I meant ivtv shouldn't use bttv, right?
[21:19:00] j-rod: run
[21:19:00] j-rod: Kronuz, correct
[21:19:00] j-rod: beastmcbeast, just run mythtv-setup, it'll create the file if it isn't already there
[21:19:00] xris: j-rod: we should plan another seattle get-together.
[21:19:00] Kronuz: j-rod: hmm... I can try tracking it for you
[21:20:00] j-rod: Kronuz, ok, I'd subscribe to the ivtv-devel list too
[21:20:00] kormoc: indeed, get togethers are good.
[21:20:00] j-rod: may not be able to do anything about it on the ivtv side if its a module ivtv loads that is actually maintained in the v4l tree
[21:20:00] j-rod: xris, yeah, definitely
[21:21:00] Kronuz: j-rod: oh, I see
[21:21:00] Kronuz: j-rod: I'll try tho'
[21:21:00] j-rod: ok
[21:22:00] ** j-rod anxiously waits for another phone call from Utah... **
[21:22:00] mchou: huh?? What going on in Uthah?
[21:22:00] mchou: Utah*
[21:23:00] j-rod: heh
[21:23:00] j-rod: a potential new employer
[21:23:00] j-rod: (but for a job in Seattle)
[21:23:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:23:00] Beirdo: now that's just odd
[21:24:00] ** j-rod doesn't really like his current job all that much... **
[21:24:00] mchou: heh, dont say sco :)
[21:24:00] j-rod: potential employer has a large customer in the Seattle area
[21:24:00] j-rod: nope, Linux Networx
[21:24:00] ** CyberKnet either **
[21:24:00] Beirdo: SCO ;)
[21:24:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:25:00] ** Beirdo frowns at j-rod in anticipation of it being SCO **
[21:25:00] mchou: j-rod: heh, arent you working for nvidia, iirc?
[21:25:00] j-rod: nope, that's Isaac at nVidia
[21:25:00] j-rod: Beirdo, I already said who it was. :)
[21:25:00] Beirdo: I know, but I'll preemptively frown anyways
[21:25:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:25:00] j-rod: hehe
[21:26:00] j-rod: Job is w/Linux Networx, customer is Boeing.
[21:26:00] mchou: Isaac works at nvidia? I thought he had a job doing some sort of music stuff. heh, cant keep up :)
[21:26:00] j-rod: They have like 5 128 to 512 node clusters and want someone on-site most of the time now
[21:26:00] ** xris likes his job. **
[21:26:00] j-rod: mchou, yeah
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[21:27:00] ** j-rod likes xris's job too **
[21:27:00] ** j-rod currently works for a company that does (among other things) what amounts to spamming, in his book. **
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[21:28:00] mchou: j-rod: wow, for real?
[21:28:00] j-rod: I work for an "internet marketing" company atm
[21:28:00] CyberKnet: no worse than working for a debt collection company.
[21:28:00] ** Beirdo points at j-rod and screams SPAMMER! **
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[21:28:00] mchou: j-rod: lol. I'm sorry I gave you my email addr :)
[21:28:00] j-rod: supporting a sizeable farm of mail servers
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[21:29:00] mchou: sothat's where the new influx of spam is coming from.....
[21:29:00] j-rod: (and web servers, app servers, db servers for the other side of the house, which is web advertising)
[21:29:00] j-rod: :)
[21:29:00] j-rod: I scour the mythtv mailing lists for new victims. ;-)
[21:29:00] hadees: so now that apple is moving to intel would there be an up side to running the frontend off MacOSX
[21:29:00] mchou: haha!
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[21:29:00] hadees: i know pepole were doing it on PPC
[21:29:00] j-rod: its all on the up-and-up, we really do try hard to not send things to people who don't want it
[21:30:00] j-rod: (I wrote the bulk of the automated bounce server routines)
[21:30:00] mchou: bounce server??
[21:30:00] hadees: j-rod, what internet marketing?
[21:30:00] hadees: i would for an ESP
[21:30:00] hadees: email service provider
[21:30:00] mchou: you mean like "unsubscribe?"
[21:30:00] j-rod: mail goes out, user replies "fuck off!" or message bounces, bounce server unsubs them
[21:31:00] ** Beirdo writes an auto "fuck off" replier **
[21:31:00] hadees: j-rod, do you guys do mainling list software?
[21:31:00] mchou: lol. do ppl ever reply "fuck off?"
[21:31:00] j-rod: we have our own internal list management software
[21:31:00] j-rod: oracle db, java app
[21:31:00] hadees: j-rod, ever hear of skylist?
[21:31:00] j-rod: nope
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[21:31:00] mchou: I thought that just confirms for sender for more spam :)
[21:32:00] hadees: mchou, hehe it does but you would be suprised, the company i work for wants confirms to work
[21:32:00] hadees: real companies want to do things right
[21:32:00] j-rod: yeah
[21:33:00] hadees: people selling viagra are the problem
[21:33:00] mchou: lol.
[21:33:00] kormoc: nah, it's people buying Viagra from people selling Viagra who are the problem...
[21:33:00] hadees: although every time i tell someone what i do they are like your a spammer !?!?
[21:33:00] j-rod: I'm still not a fan, but this place does try to do the right thing
[21:33:00] ** xris agrees with kormoc. get rid of the stupid people, and the spam problem goes away. **
[21:34:00] j-rod: mchou, yeah, people really do reply with "fuck off" and all sorts of other amusing things
[21:34:00] Dibblah: Yes, but then IQ goes up, so we get stupider.
[21:34:00] mchou: nah. I think spam will exist regardless. Just like junk snail mail.
[21:34:00] ** j-rod also agrees: if nobody bought the shit, there wouldn't be a business for spammers... **
[21:34:00] mchou: except spam is "cheaper"
[21:34:00] ** xris reminds himself to go to junkbusters and turn all that stuff off for his new address. **
[21:35:00] Dibblah: Only if you live in the land of the free... http://www.mpsonline.org.uk/mpsr/
[21:35:00] Dibblah: Oh. You guys have similar?
[21:35:00] hadees: the best are the people who sign up for all these mailing lists then when they start freaking out because they don't want spam
[21:36:00] j-rod: ah, screamers...
[21:36:00] j-rod: we have a pretty good size screamer list
[21:36:00] hadees: i am just a coder so i don't have talk to them
[21:36:00] j-rod: any new list data is filtered against it
[21:36:00] CyberKnet: aaah
[21:36:00] CyberKnet: heh
[21:36:00] mchou: I really wonder what the "return" on spam really is.....
[21:37:00] j-rod: I don't deal directly with any users, but I do get the joy of ISP relations
[21:37:00] CyberKnet: "Sorry, you may not sign up, because we already know you are a jackass about it."
[21:37:00] j-rod: mchou, quite good, actually
[21:37:00] hadees: j-rod, http://www.unsubcentral.com/
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[21:37:00] hadees: the company i work for started that
[21:37:00] mchou: I'll be willing to bet it's like <1%
[21:37:00] hadees: mchou, yeah it is very small
[21:38:00] CyberKnet: I'd be willing to bet it varies based on product, and list source.
[21:38:00] mchou: CyberKnet: yeah, no doubt. but still.
[21:38:00] hadees: most spammers work off numbers, they could care less where the list comes from
[21:38:00] j-rod: not sure what the % return on sends is, but it is still quite profitable
[21:39:00] j-rod: hadees, cool, I'll forward that link to some folks here
[21:39:00] CyberKnet: It's like porn. It pays well, but it's a helluva lot of work, and is morally questionable.
[21:40:00] xris: lame, junkbusters stopped doing their auto-fill form letters.
[21:40:00] hadees: CyberKnet, porn is nothing like spam
[21:40:00] hadees: other than spam porn
[21:40:00] j-rod: we try to clean the living crap out of our lists, so the open and order rate is generally pretty good on lists we've had for a while
[21:40:00] xris: CyberKnet: apparently doesn't pay so well these days. market is flooded.
[21:40:00] mchou: xris: huh???
[21:40:00] j-rod: and it really isn't that much work, once you have things up and running
[21:40:00] CyberKnet: hadees: *shrug*
[21:41:00] hadees: the problem is we need things like sender ID
[21:41:00] hadees: but morons at micro$oft came up with a good idea
[21:41:00] xris: mchou: junkbusters.com — they used to have a form for you to fill in your name/address/etc and it'd give you printable letters to mail in to the various telemarketing/mass-mailing organizations to remove you from their lists.
[21:41:00] kormoc: http://www.getinternetexplorer.com/ <-hahahah!
[21:41:00] j-rod: we've got spf records
[21:41:00] xris: hadees: sender ID sucks. xml is STUPID as a mail header.
[21:41:00] hadees: but wouldn't give out the damn equation
[21:41:00] j-rod: and are looking at yahoo domain keys
[21:41:00] mchou: xris: I use privoxy.....
[21:42:00] xris: mchou: I'm talking about paper mail
[21:42:00] hadees: xris, i have coded alot with sender ID, SPF, domain keys, etc why don't you like sender ID?
[21:42:00] mchou: lol. parse xml in a mail client. Just what we need :)
[21:42:00] xris: hadees: mainly the patent issues, and xml is bloated.
[21:42:00] CyberKnet: hadees: I believe he detailed that with the response "xml is STUPID as a mail header."
[21:43:00] mchou: more mips-sucking applications.
[21:43:00] xris: SPF has its own issues, but at least it's short and simple.
[21:43:00] hadees: xris, the patent issues are the only problem
[21:43:00] xris: hadees: xml is dumb for that kind of application.
[21:43:00] twisted_one: Im having an issue with Mythvideo, the movie posters are not showing up on all of my clients yet the files location is nfs mounted and it does infact exist. I am using the same user, but to test i tried with 777 perms and still got nothing.
[21:43:00] ** kormoc wants a hi mom email to take 12k! **
[21:43:00] hadees: CyberKnet, you don't need a xml mail header you can get it from the TXT records of the DNS server
[21:43:00] CyberKnet: hadees: I was only quoting xris, I didn't state my own opinion.
[21:43:00] xris: xml was designed to produce a semi-human-readable output for database fields. mail delivery commands don't need that.
[21:43:00] hadees: xris, okay you don't need a xml mail header
[21:44:00] xris: hadees: it's still just taking up useless bandwidth.
[21:44:00] xris: but you are correct, I didn't necessarily mean it as a mail header.
[21:44:00] Beirdo: so is this conversation :)
[21:44:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:44:00] hadees: xris, no what it does is stops spammers from faking the ip
[21:44:00] ** kormoc likes his bandwidth useful. **
[21:44:00] xris: hadees: so does SPF
[21:44:00] hadees: xris, but the idea is that the patented formula is better than spf, infact Sender ID is spf with a diffrent equation
[21:45:00] twisted_one: yay! no help while we debate inane topics =P
[21:45:00] hadees: i mean all it really does is have the ip address for the mail server specified in the dns record
[21:45:00] hadees: twisted_one, well i can't help you if you don't ask anything
[21:45:00] CyberKnet: Boy, I sure could do with SPF right now.
[21:46:00] Beirdo: he did ask
[21:46:00] CyberKnet: some spammer is spamming using my domain name as the from.
[21:46:00] j-rod: twisted_one, worksforme...
[21:46:00] Beirdo: and I don't know what to suggest
[21:46:00] twisted_one: how can I get the posters to display properly on all front ends?
[21:46:00] CyberKnet: and my catch-all account is getting the bounces.
[21:46:00] Beirdo: SPF, etc are useless
[21:46:00] twisted_one: bah
[21:46:00] Beirdo: nobody honors them
[21:46:00] j-rod: you have the same mount point and metadata path for all your myth boxes?
[21:46:00] twisted_one: yes
[21:46:00] j-rod: spf isn't completely useless
[21:46:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: yeah. I should have clarified that I meant a *working* SPF =)
[21:46:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:46:00] Beirdo: yeah
[21:46:00] j-rod: that should be all there is to it, it works for me
[21:47:00] j-rod: spf is just *mostly* useless
[21:47:00] twisted_one: bah ok
[21:47:00] Beirdo: I have the records in, but nobody ever looks
[21:47:00] twisted_one: anyways, food time
[21:47:00] twisted_one: I shall prod at this later
[21:47:00] j-rod: our corp mail filter does look at spf
[21:47:00] Beirdo: use the cattle prod
[21:47:00] hadees: Beirdo, well if it makes you feel better i always look
[21:47:00] j-rod: doesn't reject a huge amount of stuff, but does get some
[21:47:00] hadees: Beirdo, i just don't email you
[21:47:00] gnarface: anyone use an asus k8n board?
[21:47:00] ** j-rod also maintains the corp mail filter **
[21:47:00] j-rod: amavisd-new, spamassassin, clamav
[21:48:00] ** xris ponders turning on talkback authentication.... **
[21:48:00] j-rod: works quite well
[21:48:00] ** CyberKnet checks if his dns provider allows him to setup SPF **
[21:48:00] xris: need more bandwidth to do that.
[21:48:00] j-rod: xris, what is that exactly? like SAV?
[21:48:00] j-rod: (sender address verification)
[21:48:00] xris: yeah
[21:48:00] hadees: CyberKnet, its a TXT record
[21:48:00] j-rod: frowned upon by many bigwigs on the postfix list
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[21:49:00] xris: j-rod: I know. eats up tons of unnecessary bw/cpu
[21:49:00] CyberKnet: hadees: I dont recall if I can insert arbitrary records through their interface. just checking now.
[21:49:00] j-rod: and often times, mx's aren't set up in a way that SAV would be useful
[21:49:00] xris: yup, which is why I don't use it.
[21:50:00] mchou: I dont get it. Spammers have their own domains, no?
[21:50:00] CyberKnet: aah yes, I can add a TXT
[21:50:00] ** j-rod HATES that the Sr. IT person here insists on not doing recipient verification on the mail filter box... **
[21:50:00] xris: mchou: the idea is that they can't forge other people's domains...
[21:50:00] j-rod: "someone might figure out what valid users we have"
[21:50:00] mchou: I'm talking about the spam rings.....
[21:50:00] j-rod: wha
[21:50:00] hadees: mchou, so you can ban spammers, spammers usally try to hide who they are so you can't ban them or find them
[21:50:00] xris: mchou: yes. but with SPF, they'd have to register a domain and give it an spf record.. but then you can block that specific domain.
[21:51:00] mchou: I still dont get it. Not all "recieved from" headers can be forged, no?
[21:51:00] j-rod: so instead, we've a bounce relay, more or less...
[21:51:00] j-rod: every header but the received from that your mail server puts in can be forged
[21:52:00] mchou: j-rod: exactly!
[21:52:00] j-rod: it is incredibly easy to obscure everything but the IP address of the system that connected to your mail server
[21:52:00] mchou: so I kind of use anRBL strategy :)
[21:52:00] j-rod: I use a LOT of things
[21:52:00] hadees: if the recived email address is from a mail server not in the domain records then it gets rejected
[21:52:00] j-rod: rbls, header checks, spf, spamassassin, clamav, manual blacklists, etc
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[21:53:00] j-rod: one of the more useful header checks is to simply look at what the connecting server HELO's as.
[21:53:00] xris: I use 4 RBL's, some smart name checking (ie. @aol.com can only come from servers that reverse to *.aol.com), spf, manual lists, etc.
[21:53:00] j-rod: an amazing number of spambots try to HELO as either your domain or your IP
[21:53:00] mchou: RBL + mutipart/html gets 98% for me :)
[21:53:00] xris: mchou: some people like getting html email
[21:53:00] j-rod: at work, its a fun balancing act
[21:53:00] hadees: xris, what are the RBL? you have to be careful some of those RBL are really bad, they add alot of ips that really shouldn't be in there
[21:54:00] j-rod: due to the business
[21:54:00] mchou: spamhau.org :)
[21:54:00] j-rod: heh, our corp mail server managed to land on spamhaus
[21:54:00] mchou: spamhaus,org*
[21:54:00] hadees: they are good for the most part
[21:54:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:54:00] j-rod: so lots of clients/partners are rejecting our corporate email right now
[21:54:00] Beirdo: yeah right
[21:54:00] hadees: the real problem with some rbl is there isn't a leader
[21:54:00] j-rod: makes me laugh, actually :)
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[21:54:00] Beirdo: lots of the RBLs are shite
[21:55:00] hadees: there isn't anyone you can talk to to get off the damn thing if they screwed up
[21:55:00] Beirdo: they routinely block us and we are a carrier
[21:55:00] mchou: Beirdo: true
[21:55:00] Xnix: does anyone know of any video capture cards that have multiple video inputs that work well with linux?
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[21:55:00] xris: hadees: I don't know of any RBL's that do that blanketed... I use a bunch of stuff from sorbs (more than just their basic automated stuff). it's more aggressive than most, but I don't care for my own personal use.
[21:55:00] j-rod: I really dislike sorbs...
[21:55:00] xris: Xnix: pvr-500 is the only one, and linux support is soso (unstable driver)
[21:55:00] xris: my only real issue is with spews
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[21:55:00] j-rod: don't like that one either
[21:55:00] Xnix: hmmm i'll look into it
[21:55:00] Xnix: what do you mean by spews
[21:56:00] hadees: its a RBL
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[21:56:00] the-FoX: good morning
[21:56:00] xris: spews is not an rbl
[21:56:00] xris: spews is a list.
[21:56:00] hadees: is it
[21:56:00] xris: it's not realtime
[21:56:00] hadees: i get them confused some time
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[21:56:00] xris: and it's someone's sick idea of a joke.
[21:56:00] hadees: which one is it that makes you pay them to get off it
[21:56:00] xris: "if one customer of an ISP is a spammer, we'll just block every address at that ISP"
[21:56:00] j-rod: spamhaus, spamcop and ordb are usually pretty good, in my experience
[21:56:00] the-FoX: maybe someone can help me: trying to compile mythtv results in the following error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext
[21:57:00] Beirdo: xris: we get that all the time
[21:57:00] Chutt: myth.org was on spews for the longest time
[21:57:00] Chutt: it was fun
[21:57:00] xris: the-FoX: compiling by hand or with rpm?
[21:57:00] CyberKnet: does this text string say "allow my mx's to send mail, and also the cox central mail server" for SPF? "v=spf1 mx include:smtp.central.cox.net ~all"
[21:57:00] the-FoX: by hand
[21:57:00] j-rod: heh
[21:57:00] CyberKnet: should that include be an a: instead?
[21:57:00] Xnix: how manh inputs does the pvr-500 have, just 2?
[21:57:00] kormoc: just 2
[21:58:00] Xnix: hmm ok, thanks
[21:58:00] hadees: the best was we had a bad client who did some spam i guess so we kicked them off, then we get this call from some Mom & Pop website that we are banning their IP, what happend was we got rid of the IP and some how they got it from some other web hosting service and they were banned because some client we got rid of got him self on a list
[21:58:00] j-rod: Xnix, one tv tuner input w/an internal splitter
[21:58:00] xris: my company is colo'd at mfn, one of the largest hosts/backbone providers in the country (host to a huge number of spammers, too). their entire IP block (bunch of class B's, I assume) are in the spews database.
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[21:58:00] j-rod: Xnix, one onboard composite, one onboard svid
[21:58:00] Beirdo: Chutt: so not surprised. mailing list servers often get dinged for no good reason
[21:58:00] j-rod: Xnix, to use dual svid or composite input, you need a little add-on piece
[21:58:00] j-rod: but for dual tuners, just one coax feed
[21:58:00] Xnix: yeah hmm
[21:58:00] xris: the-FoX: do you have your xorg devel package installed?
[22:00:00] j-rod: the-FoX, also, what architecture and distro?
[22:01:00] the-FoX: debian 3.1 and i have installed xlibs-dev and libxext-dev
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[22:01:00] j-rod: and what arch? x86_64?
[22:01:00] the-FoX: trying to compile mythtv 0.18.1
[22:01:00] the-FoX: x86
[22:02:00] j-rod: hrm, should just work then...
[22:02:00] the-FoX: mmh..maybe i missed something :( path or so
[22:02:00] Beirdo: maybe the path isn't in /etc/ld.so.conf
[22:02:00] j-rod: got /usr/X11R6/lib (or the equiv) in ...
[22:03:00] j-rod: what Beirdo said
[22:03:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:03:00] Beirdo: :)
[22:03:00] j-rod: damn you, stealing my thunder... ;)
[22:03:00] Beirdo: muhahahah
[22:03:00] ** j-rod plots Beirdo's demise... **
[22:03:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:03:00] the-FoX: ld.so only contains: /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/local/lib
[22:05:00] j-rod: and libXext.* is in /usr/X11R6/lib/ ?
[22:05:00] the-FoX: yes
[22:05:00] abarbaccia: hey all – anybody encounter problems with mythmusic detecting you cd-writer?
[22:06:00] the-FoX: with extension .a .so and so.6 and so.6.4
[22:06:00] Beirdo: ldconfig?
[22:06:00] the-FoX: just starting ldconfig ? nothing happens...
[22:07:00] j-rod: something happens, it just doesn't show any output
[22:07:00] the-FoX: right
[22:07:00] j-rod: did you *just* install those dev packages?
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[22:08:00] the-FoX: yes
[22:08:00] j-rod: in any case, I'd maybe try building again to see if that ldconfig helped...
[22:08:00] j-rod: ah, okay
[22:08:00] Beirdo: OK, the ldconfig likely fixed it then
[22:08:00] j-rod: yeah, try again
[22:08:00] the-FoX: ok, i try again...
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[22:12:00] the-FoX: ..same error
[22:13:00] abarbaccia: hey guys – does anybody here use mythmusic to burn CDs? just out of curiosity
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[22:20:00] bluethunder: Can anyone tell me if it is possible to use the IR blaster that came with my hauppauge wintv-250 to change channels on my Dish Network receiver?
[22:20:00] bluethunder: i've been having problems getting a serial IR blaster to work
[22:20:00] laga: bluethunder: tthe ir thingie that comes with he pvr 250 is not a blaster. it only does the receiving
[22:20:00] bluethunder: ok
[22:21:00] bluethunder: It's just that I can't get lirc to recognize the serial IR blaster
[22:21:00] bluethunder: spent a week on this now
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[22:22:00] the-FoX: ldconfig -v | grep Xext shows me: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libGL.so
[22:22:00] the-FoX: where can i find libGL ?
[22:23:00] j-rod: bluethunder, been here yet? http://lircsetup.com/
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[22:23:00] j-rod: the-FoX, try apt-cache search libGL
[22:23:00] gnarface: hey so like
[22:24:00] gnarface: i'm about to buy an asus k8n
[22:24:00] gnarface: can anyone tell me why i shouldn't?
[22:24:00] the-FoX: @j-rod: this gives me maaany results
[22:24:00] j-rod: heh
[22:24:00] the-FoX: gl = GTK+ ?
[22:25:00] mchou: the-FoX: nono. gl as in opengl :)
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[22:26:00] j-rod: the-FoX, its part of the xorg-x11-devel package on my dist...
[22:26:00] braniff: j-rod, have you had trouble getting myth working on fc3 ?
[22:26:00] gnarface: or should i get the k8n-e deluxe?
[22:26:00] j-rod: uh...
[22:26:00] the-FoX: mmh...
[22:26:00] j-rod: braniff, um, no...
[22:26:00] laga: rotfl
[22:27:00] mchou: haha!
[22:27:00] j-rod: braniff, I'm the guy that wrote this: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php ...
[22:27:00] braniff: i was in here the other day and 3 or 4 other ppl all said myth on fc3 was impossible for them
[22:27:00] ** CyberKnet waits a few days to see if his SPF record propegates **
[22:28:00] j-rod: I've had no problems running myth on fc3 for about six months now
[22:28:00] j-rod: braniff, user error
[22:28:00] braniff: j-rod, i knew that, which is why i asked
[22:28:00] j-rod: ah
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[22:28:00] j-rod: myth on fc3 most certainly isn't impossible
[22:29:00] j-rod: also worksforme on fc4
[22:29:00] braniff: test 3?
[22:29:00] j-rod: (and on my shiny new powerbook under OS X)
[22:29:00] j-rod: yeah
[22:30:00] j-rod: I've got it running on two FC4t3 boxes right now
[22:30:00] ** xris runs two fc3 boxes. **
[22:30:00] xris: make that 3.. (forgot the one at work)
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[22:30:00] j-rod: one 0.18.1, one current (as of a week or so ago) cvs
[22:30:00] xris: CyberKnet.com?
[22:30:00] j-rod: I've got two FC3 boxes, one RHEL4 x86_64, one CentOS 4
[22:30:00] xris: cyberknet.com. 3600 IN SOA ns1.b-one.nu. hostmaster.b-one.net. 2004000000 10800 1800 1209600 3600
[22:31:00] j-rod: and one Ubuntu
[22:31:00] xris: oops, wrong line. CyberKnet, no SPF record yet.
[22:31:00] braniff: i ran myth on fc1 and fc2, but tried to run 0.18.1 on fc3 with same hw and never could get it
[22:31:00] j-rod: I may soon be forced into becoming a suse whore though... :)
[22:31:00] xris: j-rod: damn, you, too?
[22:31:00] xris: everyone here seems nuts about suse
[22:31:00] j-rod: braniff, what seems to be the problem, officer?
[22:31:00] laga: suse sucks
[22:32:00] CyberKnet: cyberknet.net
[22:32:00] laga: suse is bloated as hell
[22:32:00] j-rod: xris, I'm not nuts about it, but Linux Networx is using it w/most of their new stuff
[22:32:00] j-rod: the Boeing clusters are a mix of RH and SUSE
[22:32:00] xris: CyberKnet: well, same response.
[22:32:00] j-rod: part of their reason is because Novell is just down the road from them
[22:32:00] xris: j-rod: makes sense.
[22:32:00] j-rod: much better deals and support out of suse
[22:32:00] CyberKnet: xris: I think that my ISP didn't propegate it.
[22:32:00] ** xris just wants to kick all of the rpm repositories in the face and make them all get along **
[22:32:00] CyberKnet: s/isp/hosting company/
[22:33:00] CyberKnet: hmm... I wonder why someone registered cyberknet.com
[22:33:00] CyberKnet: probably thinking I'll pay them money for it.
[22:33:00] CyberKnet: hah
[22:33:00] braniff: j-rod: 1) support for tv out with my nividia mx440 was sketchy for myth — X used 100% of cpu and locked up the system
[22:33:00] braniff: i tried 3 versions of the drivers
[22:33:00] j-rod: turn off RenderAccel in xorg.conf.
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[22:34:00] braniff: ok
[22:34:00] j-rod: it produces results exactly like what you describe with the 7174 and later drivers
[22:34:00] xris: Beirdo: I think I just got the trac post-commit script (and email-commit.pl) stuff hooked up for the nuvexport repository.
[22:34:00] j-rod: (haven't yet tried the new ones, but I hear they are jacked up)
[22:34:00] Beirdo: cooool
[22:35:00] xris: so you can put "re #123" or "closes #123" etc in the commit and have it auto-do that.
[22:35:00] xris: yet another reason trac+svn blows away cvs.
[22:35:00] j-rod: :)
[22:37:00] Beirdo: argh
[22:37:00] ** braniff goes to turn off renderaccel **
[22:37:00] xris: still need to test, of course.
[22:37:00] Beirdo: one of these fuckin servers isn't listening to the break signal on its console
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[22:38:00] Beirdo: so now I'm gonna go down and give it a virtual boot to the head
[22:38:00] Beirdo: BRB
[22:38:00] j-rod: yay, my new dual 3GHz Xeon box is here... BEEEEEFY...
[22:39:00] j-rod: 2x36GB 15k rpm drives for the OS, 4x146GB 15k rpm drives for the data, all on a nice U320 RAID controller...
[22:39:00] j-rod: (dual-channel, no less)
[22:39:00] j-rod: and 4GB of DDR2 memory
[22:40:00] j-rod: can finally kick this old quad xeon 550 to the curb...
[22:40:00] j-rod: 20x the power in 1/5 the U
[22:40:00] ** GeckoFiend looks over at his LV-667T and cries **
[22:40:00] ** j-rod consoles GeckoFiend **
[22:40:00] j-rod: not working so hot, eh?
[22:40:00] gnarface: hey, what version of xmame is mythfrontend expecting?
[22:40:00] ** kormoc smack j-rod with a trout of jealousy. **
[22:41:00] j-rod: ouch!
[22:41:00] GeckoFiend: heh it's just not dual 3GHz Xeon
[22:41:00] j-rod: ah, gotcha. ;)
[22:41:00] kormoc: luckly the trout is rather soft :P
[22:41:00] bluethunder: j-rod, your fedora tutorial was awsome, except my audio fails me in mythtv
[22:41:00] GeckoFiend: actually it's kinda fun. doing a LFS setup on it
[22:41:00] j-rod: oy
[22:42:00] bluethunder: works just fine if i launch an audio clip from the command line
[22:42:00] j-rod: distcc?
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[22:42:00] bluethunder: fedora core 3
[22:42:00] bluethunder: i have audio in everything except myth
[22:42:00] j-rod: bluethunder, what do you have for mixer and audio device settings?
[22:43:00] j-rod: if /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer, then it may be that the alsa oss-compat modules aren't getting loaded
[22:43:00] bluethunder: just for testing sake, mixer settings are cranked all the way up
[22:43:00] bluethunder: ok
[22:43:00] j-rod: lsmod | grep oss
[22:43:00] bluethunder: ok
[22:43:00] j-rod: should see snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss
[22:44:00] j-rod: if not, modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[22:44:00] j-rod: modprobe snd-mixer-oss
[22:44:00] bluethunder: i'll have to do that, away from my myth box right now though
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[22:44:00] j-rod: k
[22:44:00] Renfield: Hello.
[22:44:00] bluethunder: i'm a little rusty at linux, been a couple of years since i've used it
[22:45:00] j-rod: been a couple years since I *haven't* used it on a daily basis. :)
[22:45:00] Renfield: I'm having a hard time figuring out which video capture card is the best one for my needs.
[22:45:00] j-rod: GeckoFiend, you using distcc w/that Commell?
[22:46:00] ** j-rod remembers the joys of Gentoo on his own EPIA M10k w/NO distcc **
[22:46:00] kormoc: yay! gentoo!
[22:46:00] Renfield: I need one that can take an SVideo input and encode/decode it on the fly.
[22:47:00] GeckoFiend: j-rod nope :/ trying to ensure that the LFS is clean, I'm using KM as a bootstrap OS and all my other boxes are suse
[22:47:00] j-rod: heh
[22:47:00] Renfield: Any suggestions?
[22:47:00] GeckoFiend: first I'm just trying to get the unichrome pro stuff workin on the KM
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[22:48:00] j-rod: I still need to order one of those boards, just been REALLY busy the past two weeks
[22:48:00] GeckoFiend: Renfield if you need encoding and decoding in hardware on one card than you need a PVR350
[22:48:00] j-rod: Renfield, PVR-350 has onboard hardware encoder and decoder, you can search the mythtv and/or ivtv mailing list archives for details
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[22:49:00] j-rod: d'oh
[22:49:00] j-rod: I'm slow on the kb today
[22:49:00] GeckoFiend: but the big question is why do you feel you need encode and decode on the card.
[22:49:00] j-rod: too busy to order the board, and I just dropped a chunk on a new laptop
[22:50:00] j-rod: yes, might be good to know what you're trying to accomplish, Renfield
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[22:50:00] GeckoFiend: j-rod the first thing I did with the board was install damn small linux onto a compact flash card
[22:50:00] Renfield: GeckoFiend: Not sure. Maybe I don't? I thought encode -> save to disk, decode -> also view live.
[22:51:00] GeckoFiend: Renfield you don't need decoding on the capture card in order to watch live tv or recordings
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[22:51:00] GeckoFiend: just a decent video card
[22:51:00] Renfield: j-rod: I have read that ivtv does not currently have a plugin for mythtv. Also read that the decode part is not yet implemented.
[22:51:00] j-rod: that's just flat-out wrong
[22:51:00] Renfield: GeckoFiend: I won't have to worry about dropping frames and such?
[22:51:00] GeckoFiend: Renfield LOL
[22:51:00] GeckoFiend: have you been to mythtv.org?
[22:52:00] Renfield: Oh, ok. then the ivtv web site is out of date.
[22:52:00] j-rod: yeah, go to mythtv.org and read the docs there
[22:52:00] Renfield: GeckoFiend: Yes I have, and that is where I got the link to the ivtv site.
[22:52:00] GeckoFiend: waaaaaay out of date
[22:52:00] twisted_one: Renfield: I read that windows is superior to linux in every way possible and some that aren't.
[22:52:00] GeckoFiend: grab a PVR250 or 150 and a geforce4 MX
[22:52:00] GeckoFiend: for quick and easty SDTV
[22:52:00] Renfield: This where I am confused, I didn't know what I am reading is the correct stuff.
[22:53:00] j-rod: the mythtv.org docs are far more correct than the ivtv docs on this one...
[22:53:00] GeckoFiend: the stuff on mythtv.org is kept current
[22:54:00] Renfield: Well, the only thing they said about it was a link to the ivtv site.
[22:54:00] GeckoFiend: try visiting http://mysettopbox.tv/
[22:54:00] Renfield: In chapter three.
[22:54:00] Renfield: Ok I'll take a look.
[22:54:00] ** j-rod cheers for the plug of wilsonet.com :) **
[22:55:00] Renfield: Ok, now geforce 4. Does that require a proprietary driver?
[22:55:00] j-rod: yes
[22:55:00] GeckoFiend: renfield: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 has a LOT more to say about capture cards than just a link to ivtv
[22:55:00] Renfield: Ok, I'll check it out.
[22:55:00] j-rod: well, you *can* use the open-source driver, but it sucks by comparison to the proprietary nvidia driver
[22:56:00] j-rod: at least so far as mythtv is concerned
[22:56:00] j-rod: (well, and in general, if you ask me)
[22:56:00] Renfield: Ok, is there a good Svideo out card that uses an open source driver?
[22:56:00] j-rod: none that are as good as an nvidia card w/their driver
[22:57:00] xris: Renfield: sSiS
[22:57:00] GeckoFiend: Renfield heh nvidia is pretty much the best choice for video / tv out under linux
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[22:57:00] Renfield: Ok, how about a vga->svideo converter?
[22:57:00] xris: http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsisvga.shtml
[22:57:00] xris: Renfield: they suck
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[22:57:00] j-rod: Ok, how about just use an nVidia card?
[22:58:00] GeckoFiend: there are other options but all involve pain of some sort
[22:58:00] xris: nvidia is your best option. or if you can actually find a SiS card like the one built into the older pundits.
[22:58:00] Renfield: j-rod: Sorry. Call me a freak, but I have this thing against proprietary software.
[22:58:00] GeckoFiend: Renfield to give you an idea. pretty much every myth devleloper / power user uses and nvidia card
[22:58:00] Renfield: I can endure pain.
[22:58:00] mchou: xris: ahh, that reminds me. Pundits have Unichrome, no?
[22:58:00] j-rod: mchou, no
[22:59:00] Renfield: Well, then I guess I will be enduring pain.
[22:59:00] xris: mchou: no clue
[22:59:00] j-rod: early Pundits had SiS video, recent ones are Radeon
[22:59:00] GeckoFiend: Renfield best of luck to you then.
[22:59:00] Renfield: Heh, thanks.
[22:59:00] xris: Renfield: get a tv with DVI or VGA input.
[22:59:00] mchou: j-rod: ah momentary confusion S3 vs.SIS :)
[22:59:00] Renfield: Heh.
[22:59:00] j-rod: heh
[23:00:00] xris: otherwise, you'll be stuck with crappy drivers and crappy svideo/composite output quality.
[23:00:00] j-rod: I do have a Transcend Xabre 400 AGP card that is fairly decent on svid output
[23:00:00] Renfield: Wow, maybe I just won't do this PVR thing.
[23:00:00] j-rod: (SiS card similar to the Pundit's onboard)
[23:00:00] GeckoFiend: Renfield you could crab a board with unichrome pro on it.. open source drivers, HDTV and SDTV output and lots of pain to get it all working :-p
[23:01:00] j-rod: not going to do the PVR thing just because you don't want to use a proprietary driver?!?
[23:01:00] Renfield: Yea.
[23:01:00] j-rod: whatever floats your boat...
[23:01:00] Renfield: I know I'm weird.
[23:01:00] ** j-rod likes his nVidia hardware, and is just happy to see such good Linux support from a major player **
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[23:03:00] GeckoFiend: you know.... I REALLY don't understand the whole "all software must be open" crowd.
[23:03:00] Renfield: Seems odd though that it is hard to find a quality OS svideo driver.
[23:03:00] ** xris agrees. I don't mind proprietary drivers as long sa they actually WORK. **
[23:03:00] xris: Renfield: it's not just the driver. it's also about the quality of the card.
[23:03:00] Renfield: Oh.
[23:03:00] Renfield: Ok.
[23:04:00] Renfield: What about the Matrox g400?
[23:04:00] xris: but it's not odd.. OSS developers tend to go with what works, and frankly, nvidia works.
[23:04:00] GeckoFiend: Renfield google for LV-667T
[23:04:00] Renfield: Too bad, that.
[23:04:00] xris: Renfield: haven't tried the non-vga outputs on the matrox cards. they're old/slow compared to most stuff these days, though. might work for mythtv, though.
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[23:05:00] GeckoFiend: Renfield it also has a lot to do with the fact that a lot of times the hardware vendors can't release the source due to their own licenseingf issues
[23:05:00] mchou: j-rod: hmm, so Unichrome is really a PITA to get going on linux?
[23:05:00] j-rod: can be
[23:05:00] mchou: is it worse than ATI to get going?
[23:05:00] Renfield: What is this unichrome?
[23:05:00] mchou: :)
[23:05:00] j-rod: yeah
[23:05:00] ** GeckoFiend leaves for the store **
[23:05:00] j-rod: I never had any problems getting an ATI card going, it just had shitty output
[23:06:00] j-rod: unichrome was a fair amount more work, but pretty good results
[23:06:00] j-rod: haven't tried w/unichrome pro yet
[23:06:00] mchou: hmm, no you really tempting me.
[23:06:00] j-rod: but should be fairly similar
[23:06:00] j-rod: Renfield, unichrome.sourceforge.net
[23:07:00] mchou: Frys has AMD 64 3200 CPU+mobo bundle (w/unichrone) for $169.....
[23:07:00] mchou: has AGP slot too.
[23:07:00] mchou: really tempted.
[23:07:00] j-rod: huh, interesting...
[23:07:00] j-rod: I'm after unichrome pro in a very sff
[23:07:00] mchou: mATX though.
[23:07:00] mchou: 3 PCI slots.
[23:08:00] j-rod: 3200 cpu is gross overkill if you're actually using the decoder on any unichrome
[23:08:00] j-rod: still planning to order a commell LV-667T
[23:08:00] mchou: hmm, really? Does unichrome really help out that much?
[23:08:00] j-rod: yup
[23:08:00] j-rod: for mpeg2, anyhow
[23:09:00] j-rod: meeting time, bbiaw
[23:09:00] mchou: yeah, atsc mpeg2 1080p :)
[23:15:00] xris: mchou: does anyone actually broadcast that big?
[23:15:00] xris: I've only seen 1080i and 720p
[23:15:00] mchou: nah, not that I know of :)
[23:15:00] mchou: 1080i
[23:16:00] mchou: but then again I'm no authority on this stuff :)
[23:16:00] xris: I'd be happy to just RECEIVE the channels, let alone watch them.
[23:17:00] Renfield: Just out of curiosity, are there any video capture boards that can handle two video feeds (and their respective audio)?
[23:17:00] mchou: xris: huh???
[23:17:00] mchou: Renfield: pvr500 :)
[23:17:00] Renfield: mchou: That's a dual tuner, correct?
[23:18:00] mchou: basically 2 pvr150 sandiched together.
[23:18:00] mchou: sandwiched.
[23:18:00] gnarface: 150s or 250s?
[23:18:00] mchou: 150s.
[23:18:00] Renfield: I'm looking for something that can do either two svideo inputs or one svideo and one composite.
[23:18:00] gnarface: any of the hauppage cards
[23:18:00] gnarface: right?
[23:18:00] mchou: like I said, pvr500.
[23:19:00] gnarface: oh, concurrently?
[23:19:00] gnarface: yea, pvr500
[23:19:00] gnarface: or just get 4 pvr 250s
[23:19:00] Renfield: oh, I thought I looked at that and it only had one audio input.
[23:19:00] mchou: huh?? why 4 250s?
[23:19:00] gnarface: why not?
[23:19:00] gnarface: well
[23:19:00] gnarface: i suppose at that point you could just get 4 500s and have 8 channels recording at one time
[23:19:00] mchou: Renfield: you need to get the expansion bracket.
[23:20:00] xris: Renfield: the 500 has a breakout cable for that kind of thing.
[23:20:00] Renfield: mchou: Oh. Ok cool.
[23:20:00] gnarface: anyone know how many seperate tuners have been used with myth at once?
[23:20:00] mchou: Renfield: I'm not sure if the extension bracket is included or not.....
[23:20:00] xris: gnarface: I know that Beirdo has 3...
[23:20:00] mchou: its lie $15 (+ shipping) from hauppauge.
[23:20:00] mchou: like*
[23:21:00] xris: but I've also heard of companies using mythtv to run security camera systems with 4–8+
[23:21:00] Renfield: mchou: Well, if the pvr500 plus bracket is less than two pvr150s I guess it's a good deal.
[23:21:00] gnarface: hmm. so nobody's heard of anyone actually doing like, 25 spread across multiple slave backends or anything like that?
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[23:21:00] xris: gnarface: oh, I thought you meant on a single system
[23:21:00] mchou: Renfield: no, it's not actually.
[23:21:00] gnarface: xris: i just meant, total, single or multiples... has anyone been keeping track of the record for most tuners?
[23:21:00] mchou: 2 x150 rtl is 2x$60 (with irblaster and remote)
[23:21:00] Renfield: mchou: Oh.
[23:22:00] Renfield: Then I'll get the 150. I don't need the tuner part.
[23:22:00] CyberKnet: Is there a compelling reason to use the 500 yet if you have PCI slots enough for 150's?
[23:23:00] mchou: 1x500 is around $120 + $15 bracket. no remote, no blaster. I think you do get radio, iirc :)
[23:23:00] mchou: 150 is only single source. You have to get two of you want dual sources.
[23:23:00] Renfield: Yea, that's fine.
[23:24:00] mchou: CyberKnet: one never has enough slots :)
[23:24:00] CyberKnet: mchou: heh.
[23:24:00] Renfield: Heh
[23:24:00] CyberKnet: I record little TV at all.
[23:24:00] CyberKnet: in the off season
[23:24:00] CyberKnet: =P"
[23:24:00] mchou: lol, then why are you asking :)
[23:24:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Why? Hmmm. It's always fun to get you started up. *grin*
[23:25:00] CyberKnet: nah, I was just curious because supposedly the tuner quality on the 150 and the 500 is better than on my m179
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[23:25:00] CyberKnet: not buying for a while, was just curious
[23:25:00] RetroMan: hey everyone
[23:25:00] CyberKnet: Hi doctor nick!
[23:25:00] mchou: CyberKnet: yeah, I can vouch for that.
[23:25:00] kormoc: Morning!
[23:25:00] RetroMan: do you guys know of a good VGA->TV device
[23:26:00] CyberKnet: RetroMan: AverKey III is nice.
[23:26:00] xris: RetroMan: nvidia gforce4
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[23:26:00] CyberKnet: define TV though.
[23:26:00] mchou: CyberKnet: night and day, I tell ya.
[23:26:00] CyberKnet: mchou: I'd believe it.
[23:26:00] RetroMan: AV would be most compatible I think, right?
[23:26:00] RetroMan: VGA->redwhiteyellow
[23:26:00] RetroMan: ?
[23:26:00] mchou: CyberKnet: Ihow many m179s you got?
[23:26:00] CyberKnet: RetroMan: on the TV. DVI, Composite, component etc
[23:26:00] CyberKnet: mchou: two
[23:26:00] xris: RetroMan: vga adapters are expensive and not as good as a converted output built into a video card.
[23:27:00] mchou: CyberKnet: yeah, same here.
[23:27:00] RetroMan: oh
[23:27:00] CyberKnet: mchou: picked em up from ebay for fifty bucks a piece. They've been worth every penny.
[23:27:00] xris: RetroMan: by redwhiteyellow, I assume you mean composite? (in which case, you're only talking about the yellow, since the other two are audio)
[23:27:00] RetroMan: so id be better off just getting a better vid card?
[23:27:00] mchou: I think the HW is good but saa7115 driver has problems.
[23:27:00] mchou: CyberKnet: lol, mine were $29 each.
[23:28:00] mchou: + tax :)
[23:28:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Mine were still worth every penny... *shrug*
[23:28:00] xris: RetroMan: yes. pretty much any nvidia card (as long as you're not crazy like Renfield here and don't like non-open source video drivers ;) )
[23:28:00] mchou: CyberKnet: I was only too happy to get rid of mine, lemme stop there :)
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[23:28:00] CyberKnet: mchou: A good deal is still a good deal if someone gets a better deal that you didn't know about, isn't it? =)
[23:28:00] RetroMan: so anything with a composite out
[23:29:00] mchou: CyberKnet: there is one drawback on my 150s though.
[23:29:00] CyberKnet: mchou: I will be happy to get rid of mine too. I dont feel that they are as high quality as they could be, but I cant complain given the price.
[23:29:00] RetroMan: newegg doesnt sell nvidia?  :(
[23:29:00] CyberKnet: mchou: what's the drawback?
[23:29:00] mchou: channel 2 is completely unwatchable.
[23:29:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Hmm... TV guide channel here.
[23:29:00] mchou: fubar.
[23:29:00] CyberKnet: I think that would be okay by me.
[23:30:00] mchou: CyberKnet: ok, no prob for you then.
[23:30:00] CyberKnet: but I can see how it would screw you if you didn't know.
[23:30:00] CyberKnet: yeah.
[23:30:00] CyberKnet: if I was OTA instead of cable, that would really suck ass.
[23:30:00] mchou: haven figured out the real problem.
[23:30:00] CyberKnet: well, I'm outa here folks.
[23:31:00] CyberKnet: another day, another problem.
[23:31:00] xris: RetroMan: huh? it's a chipset, not a brand.
[23:31:00] xris: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ption=fx5200
[23:37:00] RetroMan: oh :P
[23:41:00] Renfield: Is S-VHS the same thing as SVideo?
[23:42:00] RetroMan: should I shy away from ATI?
[23:43:00] kormoc: yes
[23:43:00] kormoc: @ RetroMan
[23:43:00] RetroMan: ok
[23:43:00] RetroMan: thanks
[23:43:00] Beirdo: given the choice, go with nVidia, better support
[23:43:00] Beirdo: ATI will work, but not always as easily
[23:44:00] Beirdo: and for the record: I use ATI :)
[23:44:00] jsldub: ati for what? video out?
[23:44:00] ** kormoc has stability issues with his work pc, he beleives that the ati card is the likly suspect for why. **
[23:45:00] ** Beirdo thinks it's likely a pebcak issue. **
[23:45:00] ** Beirdo ducks **
[23:45:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[23:45:00] kormoc: Well, if you have any ideas...
[23:45:00] Beirdo: it's fun being an ass
[23:45:00] Beirdo: what are you trying to do with it?
[23:46:00] kormoc: Firefox hard locks the machine when rendering images.
[23:46:00] kormoc: hardware overlays hardlock the machine
[23:46:00] Beirdo: nice
[23:46:00] kormoc: not always, but just randomly, blam, hardlocked.
[23:46:00] Renfield: kormoc: ssh in from elsewhere doesn't work?
[23:46:00] Beirdo: any special setup?
[23:46:00] kormoc: Renfield, nope, hardlocked.
[23:46:00] Beirdo: like dual monitors or anything?
[23:46:00] kormoc: Beirdo, nope.
[23:46:00] Renfield: kormoc: What MOBO?
[23:46:00] Beirdo: wow
[23:47:00] kormoc: well, yeah, dual monitors via big desktop
[23:47:00] Beirdo: dual monitors is a special setup
[23:47:00] kormoc: Renfield, just a normal intel mobo.
[23:47:00] ** Beirdo slaps kormoc with a trout :) **
[23:47:00] kormoc: Beirdo, ooh? ati's drivers that picky?
[23:47:00] Beirdo: sometimes
[23:47:00] Beirdo: some of the not-normal-modes sometimes gack out pretty good
[23:47:00] Renfield: I had that problem with a Gigabyte. Turns out the Voodoo3000 I had in there needed me to make a jumper change on the mobo. Found that out from gigabytes web site.
[23:47:00] kormoc: I'm spoiled by nvidia.
[23:47:00] Beirdo: their QC blows
[23:48:00] kormoc: it's running 1280x1024 on both monitors.
[23:48:00] Beirdo: if they'd hire people for that department, I might consider working for them to fix it :)
[23:48:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:48:00] kormoc: hehe
[23:49:00] Beirdo: time for some 7th Heaven :)
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[23:50:00] braniff: mmm jessica biel :)
[23:50:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[23:50:00] Beirdo: anyone watch Monk?
[23:50:00] kormoc: I do
[23:51:00] Beirdo: any good?
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[23:51:00] kormoc: yeah, I like it
[23:51:00] ** j-rod also runs dual DVI 1280x1024 LCDs off his nVidia card **
[23:51:00] Beirdo: the clips seem like it could be good, or could just suck
[23:51:00] kormoc: I perfer the first season(s?)
[23:51:00] kormoc: the first 'maid' person just was perfect, the replacement one is good, but still, I perfer the old one :)
[23:53:00] Beirdo: maybe I should add it to my PVR
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[23:53:00] kormoc: might as well grad a show or two and see
[23:54:00] Beirdo: haha, too hot for mosquitos and black flies! :)
[23:54:00] Beirdo: woohoo
[23:54:00] Beirdo: oh hell
[23:54:00] Beirdo: Monk is on in French too
[23:55:00] Beirdo: I think myth needs a "record all episodes in English only" :)
[23:55:00] Beirdo: or pick your language
[23:56:00] Beirdo: seems to always be on the same channel, so I should be fine
[23:56:00] Beirdo: record all on CKVR. done
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