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[00:00:00] Esotericisms: I should be able to just replace that one with your compiled version right?
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[00:01:00] GreyFoxx: well, with your compiled version since I don't supply a compiled version :)
[00:01:00] GreyFoxx: I remember supply the source :)
[00:01:00] Esotericisms: yeah I know ... I compiled it to a ko
[00:01:00] Esotericisms: I know
[00:01:00] Esotericisms: how do I get it reloaded?
[00:01:00] GreyFoxx: rmmod ati_remote
[00:01:00] GreyFoxx: put overwrite the old one,
[00:01:00] GreyFoxx: depmod -a
[00:01:00] GreyFoxx: then modprobe ati_remote lolatype=1
[00:02:00] Esotericisms: damn that didn't work ..
[00:02:00] Esotericisms: I still get the same info when I do a modinfo
[00:02:00] GreyFoxx: then you must not have put it in the right location
[00:03:00] Esotericisms: I just replaced that file in the modinfo with the one I compiled
[00:03:00] GreyFoxx: do this. find /lib/modules -name ati_remote.\*
[00:03:00] GreyFoxx: see if there is another copy
[00:04:00] Esotericisms: yes there is, but not for the kernel I am running
[00:04:00] GreyFoxx: what does uname -a return ?
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[00:04:00] Esotericisms: Linux mythology 2.6.11–1.14_FC3 #1 Thu Apr 7 19:23:49 EDT 2005 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[00:04:00] GreyFoxx: and was the output of find ?
[00:04:00] Esotericisms: /lib/modules/2.6.9–1.667/kernel/drivers/usb/input/ati_remote.ko
[00:04:00] Esotericisms: /lib/modules/2.6.10–1.770_14.rhfc3.at/kernel/drivers/usb/input/ati_remote. ko
[00:04:00] Esotericisms: /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/kernel/drivers/usb/input/ati_remote.ko
[00:04:00] Esotericisms: /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/kernel/drivers/usb/input/ati_remote.ko.orig
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[00:06:00] GreyFoxx: grep lolatype /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/kernel/drivers/usb/input/ati_remote.ko
[00:06:00] GreyFoxx: does it find a match?
[00:06:00] Esotericisms: it says it is a binary file
[00:07:00] Esotericisms: Binary file /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/kernel/drivers/usb/input/ati_remote.ko matches
[00:07:00] GreyFoxx: ok
[00:07:00] Esotericisms: when I do a rmmod ati_remote
[00:07:00] Esotericisms: ERROR: Module ati_remote does not exist in /proc/modules
[00:08:00] GreyFoxx: if the module isn't currently loaded that is fun
[00:08:00] GreyFoxx: fine
[00:08:00] Esotericisms: ok
[00:08:00] GreyFoxx: did you do a depmod -a ?
[00:08:00] Esotericisms: I will do it again for good measure
[00:08:00] Esotericisms: should I add that alias to my modprobe.conf?
[00:09:00] GreyFoxx: you don't have to unless you are setting it to auto load and not loading it manually
[00:09:00] Nod51: Could anyone help me understand what this is talking about kernel configure HZ?: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/echostar/DBS
[00:09:00] Esotericisms: k
[00:09:00] darkfire: hrmm, is there a way to set a key to change focus to a specific window? (just give me a term to put into google, i'm stumped)
[00:09:00] Esotericisms: GreyFoxx: I did depmod -a
[00:09:00] GreyFoxx: and not modinfo returns what ?
[00:10:00] Esotericisms: http://pastebin.ca/12747
[00:10:00] GreyFoxx: sweet
[00:11:00] GreyFoxx: that's the right one
[00:11:00] Esotericisms: ok.. just sec
[00:11:00] Esotericisms: http://pastebin.ca/12748
[00:11:00] Esotericisms: that is my dmesg
[00:12:00] GreyFoxx: do you have that lirc crap loaded ?
[00:12:00] Esotericisms: no
[00:12:00] Esotericisms: not that I can tell
[00:12:00] GreyFoxx: lsmod
[00:12:00] GreyFoxx: and look for lirc anything
[00:12:00] fryfrog: hey, has anyone here heard of this "mp3" thing?
[00:13:00] Esotericisms: http://pastebin.ca/12749
[00:13:00] darkfire: fryfrog, i think it's one of those german bands
[00:13:00] Nod51: fryfrog: that ogg like thing?
[00:13:00] GreyFoxx: Esotericisms: what is "remote" in the loaded modules ?
[00:13:00] GreyFoxx: rmmod remote
[00:13:00] GreyFoxx: and try again
[00:14:00] fryfrog: so lets pretend you have a collection of these "mp3" things
[00:14:00] GreyFoxx: brb
[00:14:00] Esotericisms: done ... ok weird data messages are gone in dmesg ...
[00:14:00] fryfrog: organized in Artist/Album/# – Title format
[00:14:00] Esotericisms: do I need to restart mythfrontend
[00:14:00] Esotericisms: for it to work?
[00:14:00] fryfrog: how would you do an album like "I love the '80s" then?
[00:15:00] Esotericisms: cause the arrow buttons on the remote aren't working
[00:17:00] Esotericisms: hey GreyFoxx this is what happens when I run 'modprobe ati_remote lolatype=1'
[00:17:00] Esotericisms: FATAL: Module lolatype=1 not found.
[00:23:00] GreyFoxx: no need to start mythfrontend
[00:23:00] Esotericisms: GreyFoxx, you see they error I get?
[00:23:00] GreyFoxx: Esotericisms: Did you also add that stuff to modules.conf ? That could very well have been the wrong syntax
[00:23:00] GreyFoxx: I don't use anything in modules.conf so I could have been wrong with that line
[00:23:00] GreyFoxx: maybe it's
[00:23:00] GreyFoxx: option ati_remote lolatype=1
[00:23:00] Esotericisms: no I didn't add it
[00:24:00] GreyFoxx: ok
[00:24:00] Esotericisms: I try calling it 'modprobe ati_remote lolatype=1'
[00:24:00] Esotericisms: and I got that error
[00:24:00] dhofstra: fryfrog I have my time life best of the 70s cds in "Various Artists/Time Life/Best of the 70's/Lynard Skynard – Sweet home alabama ; I have soundtracks in a similar dir, but in original Soundtrack/moulin Rouge/David Bowie – whatever.mp3
[00:24:00] ** Esotericisms shouts at j-rod for help **
[00:24:00] gnarface: for the good of the world (and those of you who weren't here to see it) i fixed my usb-uirt at long last. i have a patch that i've brutally modified to work on 0.7.1 and i know the tricks so if anyone is unfortunate enough to have to get one of these horrible things working, i can help.
[00:25:00] GreyFoxx: Esotericisms: uhhhh that should be the correct syntax
[00:26:00] Esotericisms: ok I think I got it
[00:26:00] fryfrog: dhofstra: i see
[00:26:00] Esotericisms: I called to the module directly using insmod
[00:26:00] GreyFoxx: show me the dmesg output
[00:26:00] fryfrog: I have /albums/ and /soundtracks/ dirs
[00:26:00] dhofstra: fryfrog my method actually came about because thats how the rippers grab the data from the web
[00:26:00] fryfrog: "Compilations" ~~ "Various Artists"?
[00:27:00] Esotericisms: I am not sure what is the latest part ... doesn't have timestamp .. just sec
[00:27:00] Esotericisms: http://pastebin.ca/12750
[00:27:00] fryfrog: ahh, i see
[00:27:00] Esotericisms: it works!
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[00:27:00] fryfrog: do you have any classical music?
[00:28:00] Esotericisms: dude GreyFoxx, you rock!
[00:28:00] GreyFoxx: So I tell my fiance :)
[00:28:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[00:28:00] dhofstra: I use "Artist/Artist – Album/Track# – Artist – TrackName"
[00:28:00] Esotericisms: I tell my wife that about me all the time :) :P
[00:29:00] fryfrog: for classical music?
[00:29:00] dhofstra: err. didnt see the classical music post (cooking a hamburger)
[00:29:00] dhofstra: no, mostly rock
[00:29:00] fryfrog: ah :)
[00:29:00] fryfrog: I switched to "Artist/Album/# – Track" so that putting em on cd/dvd would be easier
[00:29:00] Esotericisms: now time to figure how to do LVM properly and add a second drive to my LVM partition
[00:30:00] fryfrog: i used to do "Artist/Album/Artist – Album – # – Title"
[00:30:00] fryfrog: but the file names were so long they never fit on a cd :)
[00:30:00] dhofstra: I just like to have the artist in the filename in case i make a compilation disc
[00:30:00] fryfrog: how are your id3 tags?
[00:30:00] fryfrog: pretty good or ?
[00:30:00] fryfrog: i mean, do you maintain id3 tags?
[00:31:00] Esotericisms: hey GreyFoxx, did you assign the powerbutton a key?
[00:31:00] GreyFoxx: Just to KEY_POWER which I don't think myth reacts too
[00:31:00] Esotericisms: hrm .. ok ...
[00:31:00] GreyFoxx: You can certainly change it :)
[00:32:00] Esotericisms: yeah now that I know what I am doing a little bit better...
[00:32:00] Esotericisms: I just want it to call to a script that stops and restarts the mythfrontend
[00:33:00] GreyFoxx: you could configure eventd to do that
[00:33:00] Esotericisms: eventd? ... hrm ... ok I will look into that ..
[00:34:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, make it pick up the "multimedia" keys and execute a script or app when they get pressed.
[00:34:00] GreyFoxx: then ensure that the power button is mapped to a multimedia key (which I think KEY_POWER is
[00:34:00] Esotericisms: ok .. I am not familiar with eventd, so I will have to do some research
[00:34:00] Esotericisms: now if I could only fix my screen skewing problem I would be very happy
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[00:37:00] mich43l: ok so i manage to find one channel bbc1 but, the picture is jerky, theres no sound and the blue squares flashing around, and after nearly a minute it reboots my pc?
[00:38:00] kormoc: sounds like a grand tv watching experence!
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[00:38:00] fryfrog: wow, watching tv reboots your puter!
[00:38:00] fryfrog: now THAT is awsome :)
[00:39:00] mich43l: awsome to the max
[00:39:00] mich43l: so anyone any ideas?
[00:40:00] fryfrog: kick the box? :)
[00:40:00] mich43l: might try mce
[00:41:00] Esotericisms: ok I have a problem with my myth install
[00:41:00] fryfrog: Esotericisms: join the club :)
[00:41:00] Esotericisms: sometimes hitting enter when highlighting ok ... will not procede ... I have to hit <SHIFT><ENTER>
[00:41:00] Esotericisms: GreyFoxx, you there?
[00:41:00] fryfrog: i think the "doesn't have a problem with their myth install" is the smaller club :)
[00:41:00] GreyFoxx: Esotericisms: That is a Fedora/QT bug
[00:41:00] GreyFoxx: there are fixes
[00:41:00] Esotericisms: really ... please explain .. :)
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[00:42:00] GreyFoxx: You will have to research the fix. Try the mailing list
[00:42:00] GreyFoxx: Change versions of QT
[00:42:00] Esotericisms: ok
[00:42:00] GreyFoxx: there might be something else you can do as well
[00:42:00] GeckoFiend: fryfrog heh people without problems don't come into irc
[00:42:00] Esotericisms: ok
[00:42:00] GeckoFiend: at least not so say "hey I don't have a problem"
[00:43:00] GreyFoxx: I don't have a Problem!
[00:43:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[00:43:00] GreyFoxx: Someone had to say it
[00:43:00] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: fire up mythweb and poke around in recorded programs, maybe try deleting something?
[00:43:00] fryfrog: maybe then you'll have a problem :)
[00:43:00] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: How is that a problem for me if it never effects me ?
[00:44:00] fryfrog: you don't use mythweb or yours never crashes doing that?
[00:44:00] GreyFoxx: If I hit delete, it doesn't reload the page, but a CTRL-R refreshes the recordings list and the item I deleted is gone
[00:44:00] fryfrog: bah, lucky bastard!
[00:44:00] fryfrog: mine crashes mythbackend about 1 in every 3 deletes :)
[00:44:00] GreyFoxx: besides, I do most of my deleting under mythfrontend after I watch
[00:44:00] GreyFoxx: Can't remember the last time my backend crashed
[00:45:00] GreyFoxx: though I have had 1 time since 0.18 where my frontend just segfaulted
[00:46:00] Esotericisms: haven't found anything too useful in the mailing lists yet
[00:47:00] xris: ok, we just got the plasma hooked up at work. anyone know how to tell myth you're using a 16:9 tv even though the X res is 4:3?
[00:48:00] j-rod: yup
[00:48:00] xris: in the guide?
[00:48:00] j-rod: there's an aspect override setting somewhere or another...
[00:48:00] j-rod: not that I remember
[00:48:00] xris: yeah. but they're all for the wrong way.
[00:48:00] j-rod: oh
[00:49:00] j-rod: then you may need to set DisplaySize in your X config to something that's 16:9
[00:49:00] GreyFoxx: Set DisplaySize to a 16:9 ratio ?
[00:49:00] j-rod: heh
[00:49:00] GreyFoxx: :P
[00:49:00] xris: and is myth then smart enough to play 16:9 content back at fullscreen and 4:3 content back with the vertical bars on each side?
[00:50:00] Esotericisms: well my damn tv skews my display (which is driving me crazy)
[00:50:00] GreyFoxx: Unfortunately I don't have a widescreen to have played with that stuff much
[00:50:00] Esotericisms: hey j-rod, you know the problem with qt/fedora and having to use <SHIFT><ENTER>?
[00:50:00] xris: Esotericisms: yes
[00:50:00] xris: a workaround was committed to CVS yesterday or so.
[00:51:00] GreyFoxx: or change QT versions ?
[00:51:00] xris: GreyFoxx: can't easily with fedora
[00:51:00] jd86: I dont know if the audio works, how can i test the audio on the tv tuner?
[00:51:00] Esotericisms: well I have the latest version from apt-get ...
[00:51:00] GreyFoxx: xris: silly package based systems
[00:51:00] GreyFoxx: hehe ;P
[00:51:00] Esotericisms: I guess I could go the cvs route
[00:51:00] xris: Esotericisms: or just live with it for awhile.
[00:51:00] Esotericisms: well .. I can't do certain things with my remote because of it
[00:51:00] xris: true.
[00:52:00] jd86: where do i set output auido device ?
[00:52:00] xris: could add the kde-redhat repository to your sources.list
[00:52:00] xris: they should have the latest version.
[00:52:00] Esotericisms: you know that actualy list entry?
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[00:52:00] Esotericisms: well I think I have it
[00:53:00] Esotericisms: I have 'kde-rehat' (rpm http://kde-redhat.atrpms.net/apt/kde-redhat 3 stable)
[00:53:00] jd86: anyone?
[00:54:00] j-rod: changing qt versions is cake. :)
[00:54:00] Esotericisms: hey GreyFoxx, you ever have problems learning a button on your remote after it has been programmed using a 3 digit code
[00:54:00] j-rod: but Axel is building new packages with the Qt workaround
[00:55:00] j-rod: should hit atrpms soon
[00:55:00] Esotericisms: hrm ok ..
[00:56:00] Esotericisms: wanna help me get my qt version updated using latest cvs :P .. so my remote will work :)
[00:56:00] j-rod: actually, Axel has already built and published the updated 0.18.1 builds w/the qt fix
[00:56:00] rjune: Mmmm atrpms. that's always fun
[00:56:00] Esotericisms: really
[00:56:00] rjune: no
[00:56:00] Esotericisms: I am running Myth 0.18.11
[00:57:00] Esotericisms: er
[00:57:00] Esotericisms: 0.18.1
[00:57:00] j-rod: apt-get update
[00:57:00] Esotericisms: just did t hat
[00:57:00] Esotericisms: just did that
[00:57:00] j-rod: apt-get install libmyth mythtv mythtv-frontend mythtv-backend etc...
[00:57:00] rjune: over in #fedora we get a LOT of people that come needing help after adding that repo
[00:57:00] rjune: j-rod: apt-get install mythtv-suite
[00:57:00] j-rod: no
[00:57:00] j-rod: that won't work
[00:58:00] j-rod: he has already satisfied all deps of mythtv-suite
[00:58:00] Esotericisms: j-rod, my settings will stay the same right?
[00:58:00] j-rod: it won't pull down new packages
[00:58:00] rjune: oh
[00:58:00] j-rod: yes, settings will stay
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[00:58:00] rjune: does 0.16 have a clean updgrade to 0.18.1?
[00:59:00] j-rod: dunno
[00:59:00] j-rod: I upgraded from 0.16 to 0.17 to 0.18 to 0.18.1
[00:59:00] j-rod: and this weekend, will move to cvs
[01:00:00] rjune: j-rod: via rpms? or by hand?
[01:00:00] j-rod: rpms
[01:00:00] j-rod: I build my own
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[01:00:00] rjune: j-rod: Ah
[01:00:00] Esotericisms: j-rod does apt-get stop and restart myth after installing the new stuff?
[01:01:00] rjune: which distro?
[01:01:00] j-rod: no, you'll have to restart it
[01:01:00] GeckoFiend: ROFL
[01:01:00] Esotericisms: k just checking
[01:01:00] j-rod: Primarily Fedora Core 3...
[01:01:00] j-rod: though I also have a pair of RHEL4 Myth boxes and one Ubuntu
[01:02:00] Esotericisms: GreyFoxx, you here?
[01:02:00] j-rod: rjune, I'm the guy that wrote this: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php
[01:02:00] rjune: j-rod: Ah
[01:02:00] Esotericisms: no he isn't, he jusdt likes to take credit :P
[01:02:00] rjune: j-rod: you post your rpms too? or no
[01:02:00] Esotericisms: j/k
[01:02:00] j-rod: sometimes
[01:03:00] ** Esotericisms bows to j-rods fedora knowledge **
[01:03:00] j-rod: I posted pre-0.18.1 packages for people to test
[01:03:00] j-rod: but for the most part, I just send changes upstream to Axel to build
[01:03:00] rjune: gotcha
[01:03:00] j-rod: my own packages don't differ from his a whole lot
[01:04:00] j-rod: I'm also building with xris's spec file now though
[01:04:00] j-rod: and tracking current cvs
[01:05:00] j-rod: I've actually debated setting up my own little apt repo that'd be a bit more bleeding than even at-bleeding, insofar as daily myth cvs builds
[01:05:00] j-rod: and only for FC3 or 4
[01:05:00] rjune: ah
[01:05:00] Esotericisms: I would like that
[01:06:00] rjune: nobody sends to fedora extras?
[01:06:00] j-rod: correction to the above... my own little /public/ apt repo, since I already have a private one
[01:06:00] j-rod: there's some work being done to get it into fedora extras too
[01:06:00] rjune: that would help a lot
[01:07:00] j-rod: I have a love/hate relationship with atrpms
[01:07:00] rjune: as do most
[01:07:00] rjune: for individual packages it's a godsend
[01:07:00] j-rod: lots of good packages, but it does get annoying that it wants to replace so much stuff
[01:07:00] rjune: to use it as a repo however, it's not so grate
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[01:07:00] j-rod: I just don't worry about it on my myth boxes
[01:07:00] mich43l: can u get mythtv for windows?
[01:07:00] j-rod: no
[01:08:00] j-rod: there's a filter pack or some such thing to be able to play myth recordings
[01:08:00] j-rod: but no mythtv proper
[01:08:00] mich43l: do you which version of ivtv is best for my pvr500?
[01:09:00] j-rod: dunno, haven't tried anything recently
[01:09:00] rjune: j-rod: you catch the conversation earlier about handhelds?
[01:09:00] j-rod: a little
[01:09:00] mich43l: do u use it?
[01:10:00] j-rod: a pvr-500? yes
[01:10:00] mich43l: i mean ivtv?
[01:10:00] j-rod: I wrote some of the tveeprom and tuner code for ivtv to support auto-detection on the pvr-500
[01:10:00] rjune: j-rod: that would be slick as all get out eh? make a Zaurus or something a mythfrontend?
[01:10:00] j-rod: so that would be a yes
[01:10:00] j-rod: I have no desire to watch tv on anything that tiny
[01:10:00] mich43l: which ver do u use?
[01:11:00] j-rod: would only be neat for hack value to me
[01:11:00] j-rod: mich431, 0.3.4a was the last version I was using, IIRC
[01:11:00] rjune: heh
[01:11:00] j-rod: my zaurus sits mostly unused
[01:11:00] mich43l: k, thanks
[01:11:00] Esotericisms: hey j-rod, another person was helping get a module setup in fedora using a udev rule? .. anyway I want to remove that rule .. how do I do it?
[01:11:00] j-rod: got it to play with, played with it (flashed it, did strange things with it)
[01:12:00] j-rod: but I use my treo for PDA purposes
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[01:12:00] rjune: j-rod: which Z do you have?
[01:12:00] j-rod: Eso, cd /etc/udev/rules.d/
[01:12:00] j-rod: SL-5500
[01:12:00] rjune: that's the one I have.
[01:13:00] j-rod: Eso, then remove whatever you don't need from the rules files in there
[01:13:00] Esotericisms: well I guess the rule isn't there ... the module is getting loaded another way :/
[01:13:00] Esotericisms: hrm...
[01:13:00] Esotericisms: I think I know why .. thanks .. btw, thanks ... I will remember that for the future
[01:14:00] j-rod: k
[01:14:00] Esotericisms: j-rod, have I asked you about my screen skewing problem and how I might be able to fix it?
[01:15:00] j-rod: I believe you have
[01:15:00] j-rod: sounded to me like a problem with the TV itself
[01:15:00] j-rod: gotta run, back in a while
[01:15:00] Esotericisms: ok
[01:15:00] Esotericisms: yeah
[01:16:00] GeckoFiend: Esotericisms if you can track down an iso for MonkeyLinux it might just solve these problems for you. it's a great distro they just keep it on the downlow
[01:17:00] fryfrog: ping 10.0.1.4
[01:17:00] fryfrog: oops
[01:17:00] Esotericisms: it is entire different distro?
[01:17:00] Esotericisms: why is it on the downlow?
[01:18:00] Esotericisms: GeckoFiend ...
[01:19:00] Esotericisms: nm
[01:19:00] darkfire: GreyFoxx, if i want to set up lirc with the niveus remote, do i have to replace the modified ati_remote.c with the original, or just not load it?
[01:20:00] GreyFoxx: just not load it
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[01:20:00] rjune: fryfrog: no respons
[01:20:00] GreyFoxx: lirc has it's own module you will use
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[01:22:00] darkfire: do you happen to know which one off the top of your head?
[01:22:00] GreyFoxx: nope
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[01:38:00] mich43l: can anyone help me pls, i seem to have a picture with mythtv but it is very jerky and there is no sound? also very pixely
[01:39:00] rjune: mich43l: I had that problem, turns out my proc isn't enough
[01:39:00] mich43l: ah right, ive only a p3 866mhz
[01:39:00] rjune: heh, mine's a 533
[01:41:00] mich43l: still work well?
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[01:41:00] defaultro: Beirdo around?
[01:42:00] Beirdo: what do ya want? :)
[01:42:00] defaultro: :)
[01:42:00] defaultro: Hey, I want to start using your nuvexport tool
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[01:42:00] defaultro: i have an hd recorded nuv file and would like to convert to dvd, what's the best route i should go?
[01:43:00] Beirdo: run nuvexport
[01:43:00] Beirdo: duh
[01:43:00] Agrajag-: genius
[01:43:00] defaultro: ok, i remember that part but iirc, it create an mpg file
[01:43:00] Beirdo: yes
[01:43:00] defaultro: so how can we make it useful for dvd players?
[01:43:00] defaultro: what tools do i need?
[01:43:00] Beirdo: by using DVD authoring software
[01:44:00] defaultro: any recommendation for linux os?
[01:44:00] Agrajag-: dvdauthor
[01:44:00] Beirdo: dvdauthor maybe
[01:44:00] defaultro: ok, searching
[01:44:00] Beirdo: or google and find DVD authoring software for Linux :)
[01:45:00] Esotericisms: j-rod, the latest version of qt hasn't changed yet
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[01:52:00] dhofstra: defaultro you can try nuv2disc to author it to dvd, or I use PVR cards, capture DVD resolution, and burn using Nero Vision express on M$
[01:53:00] bomba: can any of the VIA processors handle HDTV playback?
[01:56:00] rjune: from what I understand there's a via mobo with mpeg decoder on it.
[01:56:00] bomba: hdtv capable decoder?
[01:56:00] rjune: M10000 I think. though I'm not sure about just the procs
[01:56:00] ** rjune shrugs, far as I know, mpeg is mpegt **
[01:57:00] bomba: there is a big resolution difference, which requires beefire hardware
[01:57:00] bomba: and technically it is mpeg2 ?
[01:57:00] bomba: err
[01:57:00] bomba: ? = :)
[01:57:00] rjune: yes, better resolution requires better hardware, but a decoder is a decoder, if it helps on one resolution, it'll help with all
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[01:58:00] GeckoFiend: bomba heh what you want is a http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-667.HTM
[01:58:00] rjune: tvtuner has to be in the backend for it to be really useful doesn't it?
[01:58:00] GeckoFiend: rjune not true
[01:58:00] rjune: oh, cool
[01:58:00] bomba: not necessarily, it depends on where the decoder is, my pvr 350 decoder doesn't help at all with hdtv
[01:58:00] GeckoFiend: not all mpeg accleratotrs can handle Hd resolutions
[01:58:00] bomba: rjune: a backend *requires* a tv tuner
[01:58:00] bomba: in the same box
[01:59:00] j-rod: Eso, there is no change to qt
[01:59:00] j-rod: the change is to the myth packages
[01:59:00] rjune: bummer.
[01:59:00] j-rod: they work around the bug in qt
[01:59:00] GeckoFiend: bomba don't tell that to my backend on this machine (no tuners at all)
[02:00:00] ** j-rod also runs backends without tuners... **
[02:00:00] bomba: hmm, at least a few versions back it was a hard rule
[02:00:00] bomba: err, the master backend
[02:00:00] GeckoFiend: that stoppped being so a year or so ago
[02:00:00] rjune: yeah, but I have a tuner I want to have in a machine that isn't my backend.
[02:00:00] bomba: rjune: then you need a slave backend
[02:01:00] rjune: Ahhh, cool so it is possible, kinda
[02:01:00] bomba: each tuner needs a backend running on the box
[02:01:00] GeckoFiend: rjune you must run a BE on the same machien as the tuner card. it doens't have to be your Master BE but it needs to at least be a slave
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[02:03:00] xris: ah, what lovely weather we're having.
[02:03:00] GeckoFiend: ack xris!
[02:03:00] xris: ?
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[02:04:00] Esotericisms: j-rod you around?
[02:04:00] Beirdo: rain?
[02:04:00] xris: it's like 86F here now... bright and sunny and way too hot inside.
[02:04:00] gnarface: blah blah, blah blah blah.
[02:05:00] Esotericisms: anyone have experience with LVM?
[02:05:00] xris: Beirdo: maybe next week
[02:05:00] xris: for now, I get to go paint my deck for another couple of hours.
[02:05:00] GeckoFiend: xris got to -dev :-p
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[02:06:00] Beirdo: cool
[02:06:00] GeckoFiend: err go to even
[02:06:00] Chutt: xris, hey, wakey wakey
[02:06:00] j-rod: a rare appearance on #mythtv-users by the infamous Chutt... :-)
[02:07:00] Esotericisms: j-rod, I am tryin to understand how to add to LVM
[02:07:00] j-rod: tldp.org
[02:07:00] j-rod: lvm howto
[02:07:00] j-rod: :)
[02:07:00] Esotericisms: yeah, I have seen it ...
[02:07:00] Esotericisms: so I need to install an application?
[02:08:00] j-rod: apt-get install lvm2
[02:08:00] j-rod: should have everything you need
[02:08:00] j-rod: might need to rebuild your initrd to include modules for lvm once you have one, not sure
[02:08:00] Esotericisms: ok .. can I install it before having the new drive I want to add installed and be safe?
[02:08:00] j-rod: yes
[02:08:00] dhofstra: Esotericisms ... I have setup LVM very nicely on mandrake and suse both using thier control center tools... once I saw that webmin had a module also
[02:09:00] j-rod: RH has no gui tools outside of the installer until FC4, IIRC
[02:09:00] Esotericisms: ok, when I get my new drive I will mess with it more
[02:09:00] Esotericisms: how will upgrading to FC4 effect MythTV?
[02:10:00] gnarface: anyone else have trouble getting mythmusic 0.8.1 to compile?
[02:10:00] j-rod: but its not that hard via cli (which is where I do most of my lvm work, since I use it on umpteen headless servers at work)
[02:10:00] gnarface: er, 0.18.1 i mean
[02:10:00] j-rod: I'm running FC4 right now
[02:10:00] j-rod: works fine
[02:10:00] j-rod: (upgraded from FC3)
[02:10:00] Esotericisms: really .. hrm .. is it just a dist-upgrade?
[02:10:00] Esotericisms: via apt?
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[02:10:00] j-rod: 0.18.1 won't compile cleanly on FC4, IIRC
[02:10:00] j-rod: but current cvs does now
[02:10:00] j-rod: yeah, used apt
[02:10:00] gnarface: hmm. using gentoo.
[02:11:00] j-rod: but not w/a simple dist-upgrade
[02:11:00] gnarface: same cause perhaps?
[02:11:00] j-rod: had to do some work to get around a few custom additions I have
[02:11:00] Esotericisms: ah
[02:11:00] j-rod: biggest bitch were some packages from nrpms.net
[02:11:00] Esotericisms: for the standard install of fc3 and myth it should be a simple dist-upgrade though
[02:11:00] j-rod: and a few atrpms packages
[02:11:00] gnarface: 0.18 and 0.18.1's modules are interchangeable, no?
[02:11:00] j-rod: maybe
[02:11:00] j-rod: not sure
[02:11:00] Esotericisms: ok
[02:11:00] j-rod: no
[02:11:00] Esotericisms: I may try it
[02:12:00] j-rod: there was a lib version bump in 0.18.1, you have to recompile plugins for 0.18.1
[02:12:00] Esotericisms: wow .. lvm2 is already installed!
[02:12:00] j-rod: one 0.18 system might be able to talk with a 0.18.1 system, but you need to upgrade everything on the same box
[02:12:00] gnarface: hmm. noted.
[02:13:00] Esotericisms: trying to transcode at the same time as playing back another recording hoses the FPS :/
[02:13:00] dhofstra: I am using a .18.1 frontend with a .18 backedn
[02:14:00] bomba: Esotericisms: get a second CPU
[02:14:00] Esotericisms: lol
[02:14:00] rjune: that's one way.
[02:14:00] bomba: or a pvr350
[02:15:00] gnarface: hey
[02:15:00] Esotericisms: oh wow .. I really don't want to screw up my system with LVM ..
[02:15:00] ** Esotericisms backs away from LVM very quickly **
[02:15:00] gnarface: lvm = for pussies.
[02:15:00] Esotericisms: gnarface, why?
[02:16:00] gnarface: haha.
[02:16:00] j-rod: probably an evms whore. :)
[02:16:00] ** j-rod likes evms and lvm **
[02:16:00] rjune: lvm is cool
[02:16:00] Esotericisms: ah so when I install a new disk I have to create a volume group descriptor on that new drive
[02:16:00] Esotericisms: interesting
[02:16:00] rjune: Esotericisms: Uhm, no
[02:16:00] j-rod: I'm still looking forward to playing with LVM atop GFS
[02:16:00] gnarface: actually i'm just talking out my ass
[02:16:00] gnarface: i've never even touched lvm
[02:16:00] j-rod: heh
[02:16:00] gnarface: i'm still a big fan of partitions
[02:17:00] gnarface: they don't bother me
[02:17:00] gnarface: easy to set up
[02:17:00] rjune: Esotericisms: when You add a new disk, you add it to the existing volume group and resize your partitions
[02:17:00] gnarface: easy to mess with, so long as you have plenty of spare harddrives laying around
[02:17:00] Esotericisms: using what app?
[02:17:00] j-rod: cli tools. :)
[02:17:00] Esotericisms: lvm command line
[02:17:00] rjune: dunno, never tried it. :-)
[02:17:00] j-rod: pvcreate
[02:17:00] bomba: gnarface: more HDs makes lvm more useful
[02:17:00] j-rod: lvcreate
[02:17:00] rjune: e2resize for one
[02:17:00] j-rod: vgcreate
[02:17:00] j-rod: lvextend
[02:17:00] gnarface: bomba: noted. i'm just sayin i've never need it.
[02:18:00] rjune: though I wouldn't span disks without lvm unless I was using RAID
[02:18:00] gnarface: but people who change their minds alot on what size their partitions need to be ... i imagine for them lvm is essential.
[02:18:00] Esotericisms: yeah j-rod, on my new drive I would have to run pvcreate
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[02:18:00] bomba: rjune: if you are only storing recorded television, who cares if you lose it all
[02:18:00] rjune: gah, span disks with lvm without RAID
[02:18:00] jams: j-rod I would drop gfs and look at www.polyserve.com
[02:18:00] Esotericisms: hrm ..
[02:19:00] rjune: bomba: I would
[02:19:00] jams: but that's just thought on the subject
[02:19:00] rjune: bomba: If I'm gonna go through the trouble of recording it, I obviously want to keep it
[02:19:00] Esotericisms: I am going to continue reading that howto ... I will actually start asking to tough questions when I need to add the new drive
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[02:19:00] j-rod: jams, any reason why? Haven't really even started to look at gfs yet
[02:20:00] jams: yeah it's better :)
[02:20:00] j-rod: is it also free? :)
[02:20:00] iggy: not from what I've heard
[02:20:00] jams: it's far easier to manage and install
[02:20:00] jams: no it's not free
[02:20:00] j-rod: rtfwp now
[02:21:00] iggy: oh, it may be easier to manage and install, but it's performance still sucks like every other cluster filesystem
[02:21:00] rjune: heh
[02:21:00] rjune: the backend is the only machine that needs to talk to the database, correct?
[02:21:00] jams: actually the performance is pretty decent
[02:22:00] gnarface: hey
[02:22:00] gnarface: aacdecoder.cpp:298: error: invalid conversion from `long unsigned int*' to `
[02:22:00] gnarface: wtf?
[02:22:00] gnarface: what's this crap in my mythmusic code?
[02:22:00] jams: rjune, no the frontend also talks to the db
[02:22:00] rjune: oh, darn
[02:22:00] gnarface: jams: finally got stupid usb-uirt to work. it needed a patch. how come you didn't warn me?
[02:22:00] rjune: gnarface: bad programming?
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[02:22:00] jams: because I didn't need the patch
[02:22:00] iggy: j-rod: as far as your original statement... you know gfs goes on top of clvm
[02:23:00] iggy: not the other way around
[02:23:00] j-rod: gah, yeah
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[02:23:00] rjune: thanks for answering the retarded questions, mythtv is building now.
[02:23:00] gnarface: jams: liar.
[02:23:00] gnarface: rjune: no shit.
[02:23:00] jams: gnarface, nope
[02:24:00] rjune: gnarface: heh.
[02:26:00] Esotericisms: GreyFoxx, I see you didn't assign commercial skip as a button to the module
[02:26:00] Esotericisms: how do I find out the hex of keyboard buttons?
[02:26:00] GreyFoxx: Esotericisms: I don't use Commflagging
[02:26:00] GreyFoxx: Load the module with debug=1
[02:26:00] GreyFoxx: but you don't have to do that
[02:26:00] GreyFoxx: if you look at the source I have the button name right next to where it;s mapped
[02:27:00] Esotericisms: yes, but I need to know what the hex is of the END or Z button to assign it to a button on the remote right?
[02:28:00] GreyFoxx: No
[02:28:00] eelriverlt: Esotericisms, xev
[02:28:00] Esotericisms: eelriverlt, xev??
[02:28:00] GreyFoxx: Read the source, I say on EVERY line what button it is, you just need to change what it's mapped to
[02:28:00] GreyFoxx: The ati_remote_tbl_niveus[] table
[02:28:00] eelriverlt: <Esotericisms> how do I find out the hex of keyboard buttons
[02:28:00] GreyFoxx: Ahh ok, just use KEY_END or KEY_Z
[02:29:00] GreyFoxx: should be fairly obvious once you look at how the mappings work now :)
[02:29:00] Esotericisms: GreyFoxx, I am looking at the table
[02:29:00] Esotericisms: i am not seeing an KEY_END or KEY_Z
[02:29:00] GreyFoxx: *sigh*
[02:29:00] GreyFoxx: That's cause that is defined in a standard part of the Linux include files
[02:29:00] GreyFoxx: You just need the name
[02:29:00] Esotericisms: what is up with the hex values then, are they just arbitrary and don't matter
[02:30:00] Esotericisms: all I need to change is like KEY_F to KEY_Z if I want?
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[02:31:00] GreyFoxx: the hex values are the keycodes from the remote
[02:31:00] gnarface: Cardoe: you around?
[02:31:00] Esotericisms: ah ok...
[02:31:00] Esotericisms: so I literally just have to change KEY_*** to whatever I want
[02:31:00] Esotericisms: gotcha
[02:31:00] gnarface: anyone here using mythmusic 0.18.1?
[02:32:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[02:32:00] Esotericisms: sweet
[02:32:00] Esotericisms: thanks
[02:32:00] GreyFoxx: lookup input.h in your system includes if you want to lookup something you can't find a KEY_ match for
[02:33:00] Esotericisms: ok
[02:33:00] Esotericisms: well KEY_END and KEY_HOME should be there
[02:34:00] GreyFoxx: I would assume so
[02:34:00] Esotericisms: hrm ... cool
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[02:35:00] Esotericisms: well we will see if that fixes it to do what I want :)
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[02:47:00] darkfire: GreyFoxx, have you any interest in the lircd.conf file for the niveus remote? i just made one, wondered if you wanted it
[02:48:00] GreyFoxx: not really
[02:48:00] GreyFoxx: but if you wanna email it to me I'll put it up for others who might
[02:48:00] darkfire: okies, just curious
[02:48:00] darkfire: sure
[02:48:00] darkfire: where to?
[02:48:00] darkfire: /msg
[02:48:00] GreyFoxx: greg@phaze.org
[02:49:00] darkfire: cool, lemme test this lircmd.conf file, and then i'll send em your way
[02:49:00] GreyFoxx: I don't want lirc anywhere near my machine :)
[02:49:00] darkfire: i dunno, i liked the keyboard emulation, but i need to be able to send the keys just to mythtv, i dont want a computer remote :-p
[02:50:00] GreyFoxx: on a non dedicated machine I can understand that
[02:51:00] darkfire: be back later.
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[02:52:00] Esotericisms: GreyFoxx, is there a way to assign a key on the remote to execute two keys at the same time?
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[03:01:00] GreyFoxx: Esotericisms: Not in it's current form. that would require code mods
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[03:04:00] dhofstra_: any thoughts on this? pchdtv3000... works fine. I notice my reciever is not switching over to DolbyDigital during CSI, so I enable AC3 to SPDIF passthrough in mythtv General Setup. that produces 'white noise' audio on HD programs, but regular PVR sounds fine...
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[03:07:00] jams: dhofstra is that with the dvb driver?
[03:07:00] dhofstra_: no, just the regular driver for now
[03:08:00] dhofstra_: I am moving to the dvb driver this weekend (along with finishing my backend to 9.3) 9.3 has made a huge difference in my frontend!
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[03:09:00] jams: 9.3 is a bit snappier then 9.2
[03:09:00] dhofstra_: heck yes
[03:09:00] briand: evening, all
[03:09:00] briand: (or insert relevant time of day for your locale)
[03:09:00] dhofstra_: jams: so you think the dvb driver would provide the AC3 stream?
[03:10:00] jams: dhofstra_ really don't know.
[03:10:00] dhofstra_: ok
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[03:10:00] jams: I just know the dvb playback code likes TS better then PS
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[03:10:00] dhofstra_: That, and sometimes this GF5200 pushes DTV off to the right a little are my only 2 problems left
[03:10:00] jams: PS mode would have caused what your hearing..but I don't know aobut the non-dvb driver
[03:11:00] dhofstra_: I was thinking I should try using alsa instead of /dev/dsp
[03:12:00] dhofstra_: I setup dvb on my 9.3 backend, and will finish this weekend, but really, the dvb --> datadirect mapping is a PIA
[03:12:00] bigslam: can i use the nexus-s i/r and remote with mythtv?
[03:12:00] bigslam: like the nexus-s interface
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[03:16:00] mchou: damn fcc finally responded to my complaint from March re Comcast.
[03:17:00] mchou: FCC bureaucrats are just incredibly incompetent. The response was laughable.
[03:17:00] defaultro: hi mchou
[03:17:00] mchou: hi defaultro
[03:17:00] defaultro: i private msg you :)
[03:17:00] defaultro: i just saw your post about FCC :)
[03:18:00] mchou: hmm, was too busy earlier
[03:18:00] defaultro: ok
[03:18:00] defaultro: so FCC didn[t help at all
[03:19:00] mchou: I fired back a response. Let's see what they do this time. I basically chewed them out in a nice diplomatic way.
[03:19:00] mchou: their response was basically "Use Firewire"
[03:19:00] mchou: lol.
[03:19:00] defaultro: :)
[03:20:00] defaultro: did you see this week's House?
[03:20:00] mchou: I asked them what does Firewire have jack to do with prohibition of encryption.
[03:20:00] mchou: yeah, I did.
[03:20:00] defaultro: yep, you've got a point there
[03:20:00] mchou: I think Sela Ward will be good for the show.
[03:20:00] defaultro: ok
[03:21:00] defaultro: coz local should be sent in clear right
[03:21:00] mchou: I look foward to next season's House.
[03:21:00] mchou: defaultro: exactly.
[03:21:00] defaultro: ok
[03:21:00] defaultro: is that the finale?
[03:21:00] mchou: I actually dont like Sela Ward as an actress much, but last wk she was good on House.
[03:22:00] mchou: yup.
[03:22:00] defaultro: oh ok
[03:22:00] defaultro: so he didn't really like cameroon
[03:22:00] mchou: Cameron, man!
[03:22:00] defaultro: but Stacey gave her hopes
[03:22:00] defaultro: oh
[03:22:00] defaultro: lol
[03:23:00] mchou: defaultro: lol, you didnt get it, did you?
[03:23:00] defaultro: if she gets more fats, she'll become really beautiful
[03:23:00] mchou: huh???
[03:23:00] mchou: who gets more fats?
[03:23:00] defaultro: i was talking about cameron
[03:23:00] defaultro: she's so skinny
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[03:23:00] defaultro: I like her face
[03:23:00] mchou: no, cameron doesnt need to be fatter.
[03:23:00] mchou: she is fine as she is.
[03:24:00] defaultro: prolly another 5 pounds
[03:24:00] fryfrog: you need more cushin for the pushin? :)
[03:24:00] defaultro: she's missing in the butte
[03:24:00] Skif: So here's a weird one-- I just reinstalled my mythtv box, mostly to see if I could, and now for some reason I can only schedule recordings on one of my two tuners (I have a PVR-500).
[03:24:00] mchou: or breastes? :)
[03:24:00] Skif: Did I miss a setting somewhere in the setup?
[03:24:00] defaultro: yep
[03:25:00] Skif: I can watch while recording, so I know both tuners are recognized and usable.
[03:25:00] defaultro: skif, it needs MRI
[03:25:00] Skif: defaultro: won't the magnets wipe the hard disk? :)
[03:25:00] defaultro: :D
[03:25:00] defaultro: i was joking buddy
[03:25:00] defaultro: coz we were talking about House
[03:25:00] Skif: darn... I was hoping MRI was a myth-related acronym I didn't know yet. :)
[03:26:00] defaultro: :) forget about it
[03:26:00] defaultro: someone might be able to help you, I can't
[03:26:00] defaultro: don't have a pvr
[03:26:00] Skif: it wouldn't be so annoying if it were only finding one of the tuners for some weird reason, but they're both working fine...
[03:26:00] mchou: Skif: rerun mythtv-setup
[03:27:00] mchou: and make sure you have /dev/video(0,1)
[03:27:00] mchou: defaultro: now we got two nice looking chix on the show :)
[03:27:00] Skif: yep
[03:28:00] Skif: mchou: both are there and configured to use tuner 0 and 1, respectively
[03:28:00] mchou: and Sela Ward can show Cameron the "ropes," hehe.
[03:28:00] defaultro: :)
[03:29:00] mchou: Skif: dunno what to tell ya :)
[03:29:00] Skif: mchou: you suck man :)
[03:29:00] mchou: anyway, I dont understand what Cameron sees in House :)
[03:29:00] gnarface: i'm broadcasting IR everywhere with impunity
[03:29:00] gnarface: i feel so powerful right now
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[03:30:00] defaultro: she sees House as very sexy guy
[03:30:00] mchou: defaultro: no, it doesn't make sense.....
[03:30:00] defaultro: coz he's so brilliant and unique
[03:30:00] defaultro: there are some women that doesn't like men with the same as their age
[03:30:00] mchou: no, she definitely is not in awe of his brilliance.
[03:30:00] bigslam: <mchou> what about the fcc?
[03:30:00] defaultro: she prolly likes him because of his maturity
[03:31:00] mchou: lol.
[03:31:00] defaultro: :)
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[03:31:00] defaultro: what's the name of the other english dude there
[03:31:00] ** Beirdo makes a gesture at his TV **
[03:31:00] mchou: I forget, but he's aussie :)
[03:31:00] defaultro: oh lol
[03:32:00] defaultro: anyways, cameron told him that he's young
[03:32:00] defaultro: coz he asked why she likes House even if he's old
[03:32:00] mchou: I wouldnt mind seeing Cameron nekidd in a show :)
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[03:32:00] defaultro: i couldn't wait
[03:32:00] mchou: haha
[03:32:00] defaultro: you told that before but didn't see
[03:33:00] defaultro: some patients though wears thongs
[03:33:00] defaultro: :D
[03:33:00] mchou: yeah, that's funny.
[03:33:00] defaultro: when is the next season?
[03:33:00] mchou: dunno.
[03:33:00] defaultro: might be Jan like 24
[03:34:00] mchou: could be.
[03:34:00] defaultro: Jack Bauer's name is gone
[03:34:00] mchou: huh???
[03:34:00] defaultro: did you see the last episode?
[03:34:00] mchou: It said Jack Bauer will be back in 2006 :)
[03:34:00] Beirdo: no spoilers, dammit
[03:34:00] iggy: don't you fucking say anything about it
[03:34:00] defaultro: yep but prolly with a different identity
[03:34:00] iggy: I'll cut your throat
[03:35:00] defaultro: even other CTU people thinks his dead
[03:35:00] Beirdo: damn, this rum tastes weak
[03:35:00] mchou: iggy: lol, I'll just sent Jack Bauer after ya!
[03:35:00] Beirdo: defaultro: STFU
[03:35:00] defaultro: :D
[03:35:00] defaultro: you have him
[03:35:00] defaultro: s/have/gate
[03:35:00] defaultro: s/gate/hate/
[03:35:00] mchou: lol, I'm Chinese.
[03:35:00] mchou: of couse I have him.
[03:35:00] defaultro: oh lol
[03:36:00] Beirdo: if you keep spoiling shows, I'll have to start using my boot on your ass
[03:36:00] defaultro: no, that was for beirdo
[03:36:00] defaultro: Beirdo, oh sorry
[03:36:00] defaultro: you haven't seen it yet?
[03:36:00] Beirdo: no
[03:36:00] defaultro: sorry
[03:36:00] defaultro: ok, let's talk about american idol
[03:36:00] defaultro: LOL
[03:36:00] Beirdo: hehe
[03:36:00] defaultro: Carrie Underwood
[03:36:00] Beirdo: spoil that shit all you want :)
[03:36:00] gnarface: fuck reality tv
[03:36:00] Beirdo: hehe
[03:36:00] gnarface: lets talk about farscape
[03:36:00] defaultro: did you see Constantine fell?
[03:36:00] defaultro: that was very hilarios
[03:37:00] kormoc: did you know that anakin turns into vador in the new starwars?!?!
[03:37:00] defaultro: hilarious
[03:37:00] kormoc: shocked the hell out of me!
[03:37:00] defaultro: lol
[03:37:00] defaultro: palpatine's makeup made his face so big
[03:37:00] defaultro: lol
[03:37:00] defaultro: it was better in the old 6
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[03:38:00] mchou: huh?? old 6?
[03:38:00] defaultro: sorry
[03:38:00] defaultro: Star Wars VI
[03:38:00] defaultro: i like the make up of palpatine
[03:38:00] defaultro: as compared to number 3
[03:39:00] mchou: defaultro: you've seen this Star Wars?
[03:40:00] defaultro: yup
[03:40:00] mchou: was it worth $10?
[03:40:00] fryfrog: OMG DARTH VADER IS ANIKIN!???
[03:40:00] kormoc: ok, in #3, he looks funny
[03:40:00] kormoc: we all laughed when he was naming vador...
[03:40:00] defaultro: hmmmm, it was just ok to me
[03:40:00] kormoc: mchou, overall, yes it was more worthwile of $10 then most movies out there right now
[03:40:00] mchou: cause the first two werent worth $10 put together.
[03:40:00] defaultro: scale of 5, it was 3 to me
[03:40:00] kormoc: it was a lot better then #1
[03:40:00] fryfrog: i liked 3
[03:40:00] kormoc: and a bit better then #2
[03:41:00] fryfrog: i hated 1 and thought 2 sucked
[03:41:00] defaultro: 1/2 are for kids
[03:41:00] mchou: 2 sucked big time.
[03:41:00] kormoc: and it proves that lucus can't write love storys...
[03:41:00] Beirdo: you all suck :)
[03:41:00] Beirdo: hehe
[03:41:00] defaultro: lol
[03:41:00] gnarface: lol
[03:41:00] gnarface: worth 10$
[03:41:00] Beirdo: had to be said
[03:41:00] gnarface: here in the big city that's 14$
[03:41:00] defaultro: I wish someone can create another movie as good as LOTR
[03:41:00] fryfrog: yeah, i closed my eyes during every "love" scene cause it was so terrible
[03:41:00] ** kormoc raieses a eyebrow **
[03:41:00] fryfrog: anyone see "Closer"?
[03:41:00] mchou: huh?? $14???
[03:42:00] gnarface: well
[03:42:00] gnarface: if you wanna see it at a good theatre
[03:42:00] gnarface: instead of AMC, the
[03:42:00] gnarface: fucking mc donald's of theatres
[03:42:00] kormoc: "you look lovely tonight" "that's cause I'm in love" "no it's not, it's cause I love you" and so on...
[03:42:00] mchou: gnarface: where you live?
[03:42:00] gnarface: LA
[03:42:00] gnarface: the center. where else?
[03:42:00] kormoc: AMC > Regal > kendig
[03:42:00] gnarface: hollywood
[03:42:00] mchou: gnarface: movies cost $14 in LA???
[03:42:00] gnarface: if you want to see them opening week at a decent theatre, yes.
[03:43:00] kormoc: yeah, it's not like they are made there or anything...
[03:43:00] mchou: wtf. Mann Chinese should be $10, no?
[03:43:00] gnarface: chinese
[03:43:00] kormoc: not shoing there
[03:43:00] gnarface: lol tourist trap
[03:43:00] gnarface: Arclight BABY
[03:43:00] gnarface: the bridge is decent too
[03:43:00] mchou: gnarface: where in LA you live?
[03:43:00] gnarface: i think they're 14 there too, in the "director's studio"
[03:44:00] gnarface: hollywood, i said that already :)
[03:44:00] gnarface: you?\
[03:44:00] mchou: Cuperino
[03:44:00] mchou: Cupertino*
[03:44:00] gnarface: never heard of it.
[03:44:00] gnarface: lol. just kidding.
[03:45:00] mchou: lol, hollywood sucks. Only redeeming feature of Hollywood is Tommy's Hamburgers.
[03:45:00] Beirdo: mchou: send me a new mac, bish
[03:45:00] mchou: Beirdo: lol, Macs are more costly in Cupertino.
[03:45:00] kormoc: me too me too!
[03:45:00] bigslam: when running mythtv do u guys/gals use command line or say gnome or kde with command line?
[03:45:00] Beirdo: 5-finger discount
[03:46:00] ** kormoc raises a eyebrow at bigslam. **
[03:46:00] mchou: more like 10 finger :)
[03:46:00] bigslam: the GUI
[03:46:00] Beirdo: hehe
[03:46:00] Beirdo: yeah, 10-finger would work best
[03:46:00] kormoc: Beirdo, yeah, 10 fingers cause he's getting me one too :P
[03:46:00] bigslam: do u guys use a GUI for linux like KDE or just use no GUI
[03:46:00] bigslam: just texted
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[03:46:00] kormoc: well, considering myth 'requires' a wm of somesort...
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: Myth doesn't run in a non gui mode
[03:47:00] rjune: nor mine
[03:47:00] bigslam: so i need KDE?
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: I personally use icewm, not kde or gnome
[03:47:00] bigslam: or Gnome?
[03:47:00] mchou: shore it does. backend runs non-GUI
[03:47:00] rjune: you need a wm
[03:47:00] mchou: sure*
[03:47:00] rjune: I use kwin
[03:47:00] kormoc: bigslam, or xfce4 or blackbox or whatever
[03:47:00] bigslam: im not big on fluxbox or blackbox
[03:47:00] kormoc: so then pick one you are big on...
[03:47:00] adante: does it? pretty sure i'm running myth non wm
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: Myth doesn't require a WM
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[03:48:00] kormoc: adante, it has focus issues with mythvideo and such without a wm...
[03:48:00] bigslam: i mean for Frontend and Backend
[03:48:00] kormoc: hence my ''
[03:48:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: yes it does
[03:48:00] kormoc: around the requires.
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: true
[03:48:00] Beirdo: you get massive focus issues without one
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[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo : Not unless you consider X a window manager :) BUT you will see focus problems without one
[03:48:00] gnarface: tommy's sucks too
[03:48:00] rjune: twm doesn't work very will
[03:48:00] gnarface: pinks or astro burger any day
[03:48:00] rjune: well
[03:48:00] adante: kormoc: fair enough, guess i must be then
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: that makes it "a bloody good idea" not a "requirement" heh
[03:49:00] GreyFoxx: bigslam: Are you making a dedicated myth box ?
[03:49:00] Beirdo: this rum is decent, but after having drunk some Bacardi 151 straight, 80 proof rum seems like water :)
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[03:51:00] defaultro: Beirdo, what's a good choice that I should select in nuvexport if I want to have a good quality in DVD?
[03:51:00] defaultro: source is HD
[03:51:00] Beirdo: use defaults
[03:51:00] Beirdo: try it
[03:51:00] defaultro: ok
[03:51:00] Beirdo: then tweak if you need to
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[03:53:00] defaultro: what is this: VBR quality/quantisation (1–31)?
[03:53:00] Beirdo: man transcode
[03:53:00] defaultro: :)
[03:53:00] Beirdo: use the defaults
[03:53:00] defaultro: ok, it's 5
[03:53:00] Beirdo: not sure what part of that you don't understand
[03:54:00] defaultro: I can then use the generated .mpg file with tmpgenc
[03:54:00] Beirdo: DVD Author? yes
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[03:54:00] defaultro: i'm having a hard time with dvdauthor
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[03:58:00] Agrajag-: i've used qdvdauthor (frontend, generates the dvdauthor xml files and stuff – and lets you graphically do menus and such)
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[04:02:00] darkfire: sweet. finally got my remote configured perfectly. the power button even kills/starts the frontend =)
[04:04:00] gnarface: which remote?
[04:04:00] darkfire: niveus media (rebranded x10) RF/IR
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[04:13:00] mchou: gnarface: pinks or astro have chili??
[04:13:00] bigslam: hmm does mythtv have security shit for like security cams
[04:13:00] defaultro: is this normal with nuvexport, it really takes long to convert an .nuv file?
[04:14:00] Beirdo: hmmm
[04:14:00] Beirdo: yes
[04:14:00] defaultro: ok
[04:14:00] defaultro: I'll just leave it then
[04:14:00] Beirdo: video transcoding takes a LOT of CPU
[04:14:00] defaultro: my estimate is about 3 or 4 hours
[04:14:00] defaultro: ok
[04:16:00] defaultro: mythtranscode is at 38% and ffmpeg is at 59%
[04:16:00] bigslam: what kinda system do u have?
[04:17:00] defaultro: athlon 64 3000+
[04:17:00] defaultro: with 512mb ram
[04:17:00] bigslam: and still its that high
[04:18:00] bigslam: damn
[04:18:00] Beirdo: it will take 100% CPU regardless of what CPU you have
[04:18:00] Beirdo: duh
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[04:18:00] bigslam: lol im stupid
[04:18:00] mchou: bigslam: plutohome.com
[04:19:00] Beirdo: I will not condone those assmasters
[04:19:00] bigslam: whats plutohome.com?
[04:19:00] Beirdo: they used blogspam, etc to advertise
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[04:19:00] mchou: huh??
[04:20:00] bigslam: hmm
[04:20:00] bigslam: they probley have a monthly fee
[04:20:00] Beirdo: they spammed blog comments and sent to people who posted on the myth mailing lists. They suck
[04:21:00] mchou: Beirdo: hmm, didnt know that....
[04:21:00] Beirdo: ah well
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[04:21:00] Beirdo: if you like em.. :)
[04:22:00] mchou: I did say I like them :)
[04:22:00] bigslam: do u have a system?
[04:22:00] mchou: system 4 what?
[04:22:00] bigslam: Pluto
[04:22:00] mchou: nope.
[04:23:00] mchou: never used them.
[04:23:00] mchou: just knw some ex-myth ppl who moved over to pluto.
[04:23:00] mchou: know*
[04:24:00] mchou: and that's not an "endorsement"
[04:25:00] rjune: pluto?
[04:25:00] bigslam: looks neat
[04:25:00] bigslam: but looks alot
[04:25:00] Beirdo: rjune: learn how to use scrollback
[04:26:00] Agrajag-: "a lot"
[04:26:00] mchou: it's just a big rip of myth is all.
[04:26:00] Agrajag-: is not one word
[04:26:00] bigslam: does it matter?
[04:26:00] mchou: losts of marketspeak on that site for something that's basically myth :)
[04:26:00] k-man: is there a plugin for myth that makes it super easy to burn shows to dvd?
[04:26:00] Agrajag-: yesterday at CeBIT in sydney i was at a stand for this pvr KISS system, and the guy was telling everyone how cool it was (it's not that great) and how it's the only system where you can schedule recordings remotely
[04:26:00] bigslam: i like there cellphone
[04:26:00] Agrajag-: i said yelled out "no it's not"
[04:27:00] Agrajag-: and told him how myth could do it
[04:27:00] rjune: do I have to rip CDs on the backend? or can I do that on the front end too?
[04:27:00] mchou: shit, even MCE allows that :)
[04:27:00] Agrajag-: so he changed his wording to "only non pc based system ..."
[04:27:00] k-man: hehe
[04:27:00] bigslam: hehe
[04:27:00] Beirdo: Agrajag-: so can BeyondTV (formerly snapstream)
[04:27:00] bigslam: tivo can
[04:27:00] Agrajag-: yeah, this guy was talking lots of rubbish
[04:28:00] k-man: they all do
[04:28:00] Beirdo: show me a PVR that's not from the cable co that CAN'T :)
[04:28:00] k-man: Agrajag-, what did you think of the show in general?
[04:28:00] Agrajag-: not too good
[04:28:00] Agrajag-: not enough freebies :P
[04:28:00] k-man: yeah
[04:28:00] k-man: same here
[04:29:00] k-man: in fact, i would go as far as saying it was crap
[04:29:00] Agrajag-: heh.. nah but seriuosly i don't think many people gain anything from that kind of show
[04:29:00] mchou: man, the gravy train is over, lol
[04:29:00] k-man: yeah
[04:30:00] mchou: I think the best conventions are the Cable conferences.
[04:30:00] k-man: oh, we don't have those over here
[04:30:00] fryfrog: I like Adult Swim, they've done an awsome job with their little corner of the night :)
[04:30:00] mchou: lots of freebies. Including pr0n stars :)
[04:30:00] k-man: what is adult swim?
[04:30:00] rjune: mchou: gotta love that
[04:30:00] mchou: rjune: you ever been to a cable show?
[04:31:00] Agrajag-: it was pretty funny how one or two stands had models working for them (out of the hundreds of stands)
[04:31:00] Agrajag-: they looked so cheap/lame
[04:31:00] fryfrog: its cartoon network for adults
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[04:31:00] fryfrog: has anime and shows like family guy, american dad, robot chicken, etc
[04:32:00] mchou: rjune: you dunno what you're missing if you've never been to one.
[04:32:00] mchou: Cable show is like maariage of hollywood and Silicon Valley.
[04:32:00] mchou: glitz+geeks :)
[04:33:00] mchou: and plenty of charlatans and snake oil peddlers too :)
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[04:33:00] k-man: yeah
[04:33:00] k-man: they did
[04:38:00] mchou: anyway, Cable conventions are the only ones I've actually enjoyed. All those other conventions are just boring by comparison.
[04:38:00] Agrajag-: what are cable conventions?
[04:38:00] mchou: like Western Cable Show.
[04:38:00] Agrajag-: no idea what that is
[04:39:00] mchou: Cable operators, networks, and cable transmission/infrastructure vendors :)
[04:39:00] Agrajag-: ah
[04:41:00] mchou: that line of business is finally getting "respectable"......
[04:42:00] mchou: used to be run by sleazebags...probably affliated with the mob :)
[04:56:00] rjune: mchou: it still is mostly sleazebags
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[05:16:00] fryfrog: anyone do much pc remote control, ala vnc, pcanywhere or remote desktop?
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[05:17:00] rjune: I do
[05:17:00] rjune: fryfrog: vnc and NX
[05:17:00] fryfrog: NX?
[05:17:00] rjune: yeah
[05:17:00] Agrajag-: i do vnc a fair bit
[05:17:00] rjune: No Machine, it's not bad
[05:17:00] fryfrog: i've been using tightvnc for a while, but i was thinking of shopping around for something faster
[05:17:00] rjune: cross platform like vnc but will let you do remote audio and printing
[05:18:00] fryfrog: opensource/free?
[05:18:00] rjune: NX is pretty good, but it's pay for
[05:18:00] rjune: closed source
[05:19:00] fryfrog: anyone messed with the built in XP remote desktop thing?
[05:19:00] fryfrog: i've used term serv in the past but it was...
[05:19:00] Skaface: i have
[05:19:00] Skaface: i think its slower than vnc
[05:19:00] fryfrog: kind of like running your own X session instead of controlling the current desktop
[05:19:00] rjune: fryfrog: a little bit
[05:19:00] fryfrog: ah
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[05:20:00] Skaface: vnc with jpeg compression is pretty fast
[05:20:00] fryfrog: maybe i should toy around with compression levels
[05:20:00] rjune: Skaface: doesn't tightvnc do that by default?
[05:20:00] rjune: fryfrog: that would be worth it
[05:20:00] Skaface: i think it does
[05:20:00] Skaface: i know tightvnc supports it anyway
[05:20:00] rjune: fryfrog: try setting it to 8 or 16 bit color too
[05:21:00] fryfrog: i have to stream through an ssh tunnerl, so the encryption/compression of that may be slowing it down too
[05:21:00] Skaface: disable the desktop background
[05:21:00] rjune: and have it desable the backround
[05:21:00] fryfrog: yeah, i drop to 1024x768x16
[05:21:00] fryfrog: with a black bacground :)
[05:21:00] rjune: fryfrog: that won't be a huge hit.
[05:21:00] fryfrog: maybe 800x600 would work better
[05:21:00] rjune: fryfrog: definately it would
[05:21:00] fryfrog: lemme try that :)
[05:21:00] kormoc: 1x1 would be best!
[05:21:00] fryfrog: but dang, thats not much screen space :)
[05:21:00] rjune: you can play with the events too, and that'll get you some benefit, but I'm not sure how much
[05:21:00] rjune: fryfrog: for quick things it's livalbe.
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[05:23:00] fryfrog: i never remembert which way to go for compression/jpeg :)
[05:23:00] fryfrog: "compression level" higher number is better (best)?
[05:23:00] fryfrog: and "jpeg compression" is "poor" or "best" more compression ?
[05:24:00] fryfrog: i assume since its got a "quality" label underneath, you drop it down toward "poor" (lower numbers)
[05:24:00] rjune: best compression is worst quality
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[05:54:00] darkfire: how would one go about finding out which codec a .nuv file is?
[05:55:00] rjune: darkfire: usually it's nupple video
[05:55:00] rjune: I think it's called
[05:56:00] rjune: if you are on linux, file "filename" should tell you a bit about it
[05:56:00] darkfire: but if i transcode the shows to mpeg4 in myth, they dont change from *.nuv
[05:56:00] rjune: darkfire: I think that's myth being stupid, somebody mentioned it a while ago
[05:57:00] darkfire: ah, file. thans
[05:57:00] darkfire: yeah, file reports some as MPEG v2 and others as data, so i guess those are the mpeg4s
[06:01:00] defy: I have a pvr-250, and on certain channels I get a lot of frame flicker, but not all channels...anyone know what could cause this?
[06:01:00] defy: Some channels do it once every couple of minutes, and some do it once every couple of seconds, cbs and scfi are really bad, heh =/
[06:02:00] defy: using the card in windows doesnt do it, it only seems to be when using linux+myth
[06:03:00] darkfire: what driver are you using?
[06:04:00] defy: umm, know a quick way to check? I did the fedora core 1 install tutorial
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[06:04:00] defy: I havent touched the box in about 7 months, I just started using it again and want to get it fixed up
[06:05:00] darkfire: ivtvctl -V
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[06:06:00] defy: that doesnt seem to work, but the ivtv package installed is ivtv-0.1.10–45_pre2_ck108k.rhfc1.at
[06:06:00] darkfire: step one – get the newest ivtv
[06:07:00] defy: okay
[06:07:00] darkfire: the current stable releases are 0.2.x and the unstable (which i use on a PVR-350 with no problem) are 0.3.x
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[06:07:00] defy: i wonder if later versions are on the rpm respository
[06:07:00] darkfire: dunno, i use gentoo
[06:07:00] defy: okay, I'll give that a shot, thanks
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[06:19:00] defy: hrmm, after upgrading my mythweb gives me the error Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=15, backend=13), anyone have any idea?
[06:19:00] darkfire: what version of mythbackend are you using?
[06:20:00] darkfire: bah, upgrade everything.
[06:20:00] defy: 0.16–80.rhfc1.at, I just ran an apt-get upgrade...was working fine before that
[06:20:00] defy: I did
[06:20:00] Agrajag-: defy: did you even read that error message
[06:20:00] darkfire: nope, not if you are running what you just said
[06:20:00] Agrajag-: or did you just go "oh no an error message what will i do"
[06:21:00] defy: yea yea, obviously its a version missmatch, I'm trying to figure out how to RESOLVE it
[06:21:00] Agrajag-: make your versions match
[06:21:00] darkfire: he speaks the truth.
[06:21:00] Agrajag-: if you upgraded your mythweb and not your backend.. then upgrade your backend
[06:22:00] Agrajag-: (they're not compatible, like the error message says)
[06:22:00] darkfire: Agrajag-, where's the nick come from?
[06:22:00] Agrajag-: hitch hikers guide to the galaxy
[06:22:00] defy: as i just said, I ran an apt-get upgrade, which technically should not upgrade version numbers, only release number...
[06:22:00] darkfire: you know that douglas adams recorded the part of Agrajag to be used after he died in the radio series?
[06:22:00] darkfire: defy, when in doubt, use source.
[06:22:00] Agrajag-: yep
[06:22:00] darkfire: that's just bad ass.
[06:23:00] defy: well this box is 9000 miles away from me, I wont be rebuilding anything anytime soon
[06:23:00] darkfire: then there's no myth for you.
[06:23:00] darkfire: i'll bet google knows where you might be able to find a binary
[06:23:00] darkfire: or hell, you can probably even just apt-get myth.
[06:24:00] defy: the error doesnt explain much, other than mythweb = 14 and backend = 13, but are these version numbers? my mythweb version is .16, not '14'
[06:24:00] darkfire: more importantly: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[06:24:00] Agrajag-: defy: protocol version != mythweb/mythtv version
[06:24:00] defy: or is that a protocol version?
[06:25:00] defy: oh look at that
[06:25:00] defy: it even says protocol
[06:25:00] darkfire: specifically: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before
[06:25:00] defy: alright, that makes sense, I'm just blind
[06:25:00] defy: fuck that :P
[06:25:00] darkfire: ...
[06:26:00] Agrajag-: haha
[06:26:00] defy: I've done my share of rtfm hammering on newbies, thanks for the url though
[06:26:00] darkfire: rofl, and you learned what from it?
[06:26:00] darkfire: i'm not 'rtfm hammering,' i'm suggesting that you at least read the damn ERROR MESSAGE before you waste my time.
[06:27:00] defy: I learnt that getting into the rtfm conversaion leads nowhere, and is only done by people who try to make a, im smarter than you, point
[06:27:00] defy: if you dont want your time wasted, dont answer
[06:27:00] defy: pretty simple eh? :P
[06:27:00] darkfire: ...
[06:29:00] fryfrog: thats the best way of asking for help i've ever seen :)
[06:30:00] darkfire: heh
[06:30:00] EricAnderson: he has a point though
[06:30:00] fryfrog: did you try restarting your backend/frontend yet?
[06:30:00] EricAnderson: This channel is way too quick to not be helpful
[06:31:00] fryfrog: its because every question has already been asked, there are no original questions :)
[06:31:00] defy: it made perfect sense as much as you would like to nitpick at the semantics, i did a apt-get upgrade, the protocol versoin _shouldnt_ have changed, both mythweb and mythbackend are coming off the same respository
[06:31:00] fryfrog: what version of myth did you go from/to?
[06:31:00] fryfrog: i didn't realize that apt somehow stopped the protocol version from going up while some how allowing the actual version of myth to go up
[06:31:00] darkfire: lol, i'm more than willing to help, but not really when a person makes it adamantly clear that not only have they not consulted google, they are un-willing to.
[06:32:00] defy: the version of myth didnt go up
[06:32:00] defy: only the release number
[06:32:00] fryfrog: erm
[06:32:00] fryfrog: so like, 0.18–1 to 0.18–2?
[06:32:00] defy: I've always run 0.16
[06:32:00] defy: exactly
[06:32:00] defy: it was .016–7something before, and its 0.16–80 now
[06:32:00] fryfrog: and what version -> what version?
[06:33:00] fryfrog: i see
[06:33:00] fryfrog: and it updated the backend, frontend, and plugins?
[06:33:00] fryfrog: i was under the impression that -?? refered to the debian specific releases
[06:33:00] defy: I'll install an old mythweb from tarball i guess
[06:34:00] fryfrog: so if they changed the code to suit their own needs, it could have resulted in a change the required them to alter the communications protocol
[06:34:00] sunilonln: defy: how much bandwidth does your backend box have?
[06:34:00] fryfrog: ie, they incorportated a patch that changed it
[06:34:00] defy: yup, indeed
[06:34:00] fryfrog: so thats probably all thats happened
[06:34:00] fryfrog: though, even with a "current" mythweb i have occasionally seen a protocol version miss-match error
[06:35:00] fryfrog: do you run mythweb on the same server as the mythbackend/mysql?
[06:35:00] defy: yeah
[06:35:00] defy: frontend/mythweb/backend are all one server
[06:35:00] fryfrog: ah
[06:35:00] EricAnderson: Is there something extra required to get transcoding to work? My drive space is at 50% and Im on gentoo
[06:35:00] fryfrog: and fe+be works fine?
[06:35:00] defy: its my box sitting in california at work, I live in new zealand
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[06:35:00] defy: its how i get my tv fix in this country with only 4 channels :P
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[06:35:00] fryfrog: just mythweb + be that isn't working?
[06:36:00] fryfrog: dang, thats gotta be a big ol' pipe :)
[06:36:00] fryfrog: or do you just transcode to like avi and download?
[06:36:00] defy: well I dont stream it :P
[06:36:00] defy: yea
[06:36:00] fryfrog: ahh
[06:36:00] defy: I cant test the frontend from here =/ but i know the backend is running
[06:36:00] xris: yay, I just got lve to compile in fc3.
[06:36:00] darkfire: EricAnderson, do you have it set to automatically transcode after recording in the recording profile?
[06:37:00] EricAnderson: darkfire: No, but I told one of the shows to transcode and mythweb shows that it errored, but it doesnt say why
[06:37:00] darkfire: is "transcode" in your USE ?
[06:37:00] darkfire: err, that may only be for mythdvd, i'm not sure
[06:38:00] darkfire: i would try USE="transcode" emerge -p mythtv and see if it wants any more dependancies
[06:38:00] EricAnderson: yeah, I dont see transcode being required by mythtv
[06:38:00] darkfire: not sure then, i didnt need any extra steps to transcode besides those
[06:39:00] EricAnderson: i dont have mythdvd... is it required for transcoding pvr-150 mpegs?
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[06:40:00] darkfire: doubtful
[06:40:00] EricAnderson: the logs dont seem to show anything at all
[06:41:00] defy: the apt-get upgrade musta have overwritten my mythinstalll, mythweb 0.16 fixed the problem
[06:41:00] defy: kind of, heh
[06:42:00] defy: mythinstall=mythweb install
[06:44:00] xris: woah, old mythweb.
[06:44:00] EricAnderson: Am I going to destroy the world if I emerge mythtv while its loaded?
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[06:46:00] xris: EricAnderson: you might. but probably not
[06:46:00] defy: isnt 0.18 the latest?
[06:47:00] darkfire: 0.18.1
[06:48:00] defy: xris = author?
[06:48:00] xris: of?
[06:48:00] defy: mythweb
[06:48:00] xris: yes
[06:48:00] xris: well, maintainer
[06:48:00] xris: and author of much of it.
[06:48:00] defy: cool, you rock :P
[06:48:00] Leebier: ok, so if i want to (ok, NEED to) reformat my mythbox and start fresh (so as to upgrade to .18.1), what files would i need to keep in order to retain anything important, i assume it's all the MySQL databases, but we've just hit the limit of my knowledge
[06:48:00] defy: i'd be stuck without it
[06:49:00] xris: defy: :)
[06:49:00] Leebier: and mythweb is the greatest thing ever :)
[06:50:00] Leebier: well, i guess MythTV has to be, since without it, Mythweb wouldn't really serve a purpose :-p
[06:53:00] defy: "I think that consumers just won't buy devices that don't let them do what they want to do.
[06:53:00] defy: - Linus Torvalds
[06:53:00] darkfire: Leebier, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc22.5 should help with the backing up
[06:53:00] defy: that cracks me up every time i see it
[06:53:00] defy: only because most consumers dont even know what they want
[06:53:00] xris: Leebier: mythweb could be better.
[06:53:00] Leebier: awesome, thanks darkfire
[06:54:00] Leebier: well, i won't stop you from improving it xris :-D
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[06:54:00] xris: too many other projects.. heh.
[06:54:00] defy: if i was a php person and not a perl person, I'd hack it up a bit, just to allow me to select multiple records in one instance, my box is pretty slow mysql wise, and i am in a seperate country, so using it to navigate shows can take some time...
[06:54:00] Leebier: i'm excited to see what is in there since .17
[06:55:00] xris: major appearance overhaul
[06:55:00] xris: that's about it, I think
[06:55:00] defy: just appearance? interface design the same?>
[06:55:00] xris: defy: it took me a day to learn php from perl.
[06:56:00] defy: haha yea, php syntax looks about the same, just different functions...but I dont code php for religious reasons
[06:56:00] Leebier: actually, if i may make one small feature request, it's when i go to "Scheduled Recordings" I'd like to be able to change the status of multiple shows without it having to reschedule everything and then rerender the page, i mean, i realze that to some degree manually changing the schedule is an iterative process, but i could at least reduce some of the steps
[06:57:00] defy: Leebier thats pretty much exactly what im talking about aswell, except for most of the pages
[06:57:00] Leebier: yeah, your comment reminded me of it defy :)
[06:57:00] defy: I'd like to be able to look at the listings and just tick everything i wana record, and update
[06:58:00] xris: defy: that's what middle-click is for.  :)
[06:58:00] defy: new window/tab?
[06:58:00] Leebier: as one who is always near capacity on my HD, i sometimes want to clear out the most of the day's schedule to be sure to grab somethign in the afternoon, and it takes about 25 minutes to do as every time it takes 8 seconds to recalulate the scheule and the another 6–10 seconds to render the page
[06:59:00] xris: defy: open all shows you want to record in new tabs...
[06:59:00] xris: but I get your point. I just don't set up that much new stuff, so it seems like a waste of effort to me.
[06:59:00] defy: yea understandable
[06:59:00] xris: the one thing I really want to do is get the search-type schedules put in.
[06:59:00] defy: its mostly because my connection to the box is so slow
[06:59:00] defy: when I use it locally its fine, the interface is really fast
[06:59:00] xris: and if gecko ever gets me an acct at lxmsuite, I'd like to do the movie listings stuff, too.
[07:00:00] defy: Is there any way to get the latest version working with an older myth back end protocol version?
[07:01:00] darkfire: hrmm, anyone have any luck converting nuppel video to mpeg2 on amd64? i can't get any of the packages to build
[07:01:00] defy: like 0.18.1 working with backend 13
[07:01:00] defy: or is the difference in the protocol versions too much?
[07:02:00] xris: darkfire: thought you had a hardware encoder card.
[07:02:00] xris: defy: no, too much has changed since then.
[07:02:00] defy: okay, thought so
[07:02:00] xris: major changes to the scheduler between .17 and .18
[07:03:00] darkfire: xris, heh, well, i decided to make the default recording profile auto-transcode to mpeg4, and i'm trying to undo that damage.
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[07:03:00] defy: I'll do a rebuild of the entire box when I go back to the US next
[07:03:00] xris: darkfire: nuvexport is the only thing you can do.
[07:03:00] Leebier: darkfire, i've been reading through the info on the HOWTO and would I need to go through the extractions in 22.7 Moving your data to new hardware or is the restore in 22.5 sufficient?
[07:04:00] Leebier: i wish i could bring my mythbox to the UK next year, but i can't justify a first desktop to bring for 10 months, let alone two :)
[07:05:00] Leebier: hey, does mythweb .17.1 have the ability to "delete but allow future recordings"?
[07:05:00] darkfire: xris, well, there's no ebuild for nuvexport on amd64, and i'm slowly getting the idea that this may be because there's no nuvexport for amd64, i tried to build from source, but no dice. i may just delete them and move on
[07:05:00] xris: nuvexport is pure perl
[07:06:00] darkfire: hrmm, i'll try again with less stupidity this time then ;)
[07:06:00] xris: if you run it, and try to encode something, it'll tell you what it's missing.
[07:07:00] darkfire: after i get it transcoded back to mpeg2, is it enough to just replace the old .nuv with the new .mpg (renaming it to .nuv) ? from what i understand the pvr-350's nuv files are really just mpeg2s, but do i have to update the database or any thing like that?
[07:08:00] xris: do you need them to be mpeg2? (ie. do you use the output from the 350?)
[07:08:00] darkfire: Leebier, keeping in mind i havent done this, the way i read it looks like the 22.7 info is just a way of storing less information, so you should be fine backing up the whole database and restoring it all
[07:08:00] xris: but no, you should be able to just pop them back in place.
[07:08:00] darkfire: yep
[07:09:00] darkfire: i found out that a mpeg-2 hardware decoder is actually quite useless once you move away from the mpeg2 format ;P
[07:09:00] Leebier: darfire, that sounds reasonable to me (and fits my assumptions) so it's all good, worst case i wind up running a few commands :)
[07:09:00] Leebier: not just to find time to do all this
[07:09:00] Leebier: now*
[07:09:00] Leebier: it's not like i actually <i> need </i> to work on my thesis
[07:10:00] ** xris curses lve **
[07:11:00] xris: darkfire: yeah, that's why most of us try to get people to avoid the 350. more trouble than it's worth.
[07:11:00] Leebier: now see, everyone was creaming over the 350 when i came in here and asked about cards a year ago :-p
[07:12:00] Leebier: though it's treated my rather nicely, so i can't complain
[07:12:00] xris: yeah. little did we know
[07:12:00] Leebier: me*
[07:13:00] darkfire: yeah, i'm starting to regret it a bit, hard to justify the purchase when i am probably going to get a graphics card with a video output anyhow =/
[07:13:00] Leebier: but i've also stayed away from transcoding so maybe that's good
[07:13:00] Leebier: of course, the .nuv files make my nVidea card on my Windows box go nuts when I want to watch from my main PC
[07:14:00] Leebier: but i dunno if the 350 is to blame for that or not
[07:14:00] Leebier: holy crap, i'm downloading the torrent of FC3 and i dind't nkow my connection COULD go this fast
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[07:15:00] xris: j-rod: evening...
[07:15:00] j-rod: evenin'
[07:15:00] xris: I hate compiling stuff.
[07:16:00] defy: can you stop a recording from mythweb?
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[07:16:00] xris: you can delete the show as it's being recorded. seems to make things stop. it's not "correct" though
[07:17:00] xris: well, so much for getting LVE to work. blech.
[07:17:00] defy: hrmm, how so? my 'delete' is replaced with 'currently recording'
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[07:17:00] xris: defy: oh, then maybe not.
[07:17:00] defy: hehe, okay
[07:18:00] xris: I think it says "done" even when it's still recording if you have postroll minutes defined, and you're passed the end of the show, but still recording.
[07:19:00] defy: if i " Cancel this schedule. " it continues to record...oh well no biggie
[07:20:00] darkfire: xris, with nuvexport, is a 'vcd compliant mpeg file'
[07:20:00] darkfire: mpeg2?
[07:21:00] Leebier: alright, maybe i'll try to upgrade this machine over the weekend, but i'm off to bed, you will assuredly see me 'round lots when trying to do this :)
[07:21:00] Gumby: it is just me or does nuvexport take a HUGE amount of time
[07:21:00] Leebier: have a great evening for those in the western hemisphere and to those in Europe, what the hell are you doing up already? :)
[07:21:00] Leebier: thanks for all your help darkfire and xris
[07:21:00] darkfire: never a problem
[07:21:00] defy: Gumby you only have your cpu vendor to blame for that :P
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[07:23:00] Gumby: defy: I know using windows I can create a decent divx in realtime (60min show takess 60min to encode), that was 2 years ago. Surely my hardware that is twice as fast now shouldnt take 10 hours to transcode something.
[07:23:00] j-rod: xris, I uncommented that second find, because builds on my A64 weren't working without it
[07:24:00] defy: shrug, encoding has always taken ages for me, regardless of platform
[07:25:00] fryfrog: anyone actually use playlists with their mp3 collections?
[07:25:00] darkfire: nope
[07:25:00] Agrajag-: nah
[07:26:00] Agrajag-: i just find the few mp3s i wanna play at that moment and play them
[07:26:00] fryfrog: i was playing around with our new ipod thinking "hey, i could make a cool playlist"
[07:26:00] fryfrog: but after adding one song... i didn't feel like going through like 10,000 more :/
[07:27:00] Agrajag-: heh yeah
[07:27:00] xris: j-rod: ok, good enough for me.
[07:27:00] Agrajag-: and then every time you add more songs you gotta go put them into those playlists
[07:27:00] fryfrog: anyone see that ipod -> ipod shuffle how-to?
[07:28:00] darkfire: sounds familiar somehow, but i dont remember it.
[07:28:00] fryfrog: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media . . . e-029509.php
[07:28:00] darkfire: rofl, yeah, i have
[07:28:00] fryfrog: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mhusson/3253841/
[07:28:00] fryfrog: actually, thats the real link :)
[07:29:00] Cardoe: hrm
[07:29:00] fryfrog: i thought that was funny :)
[07:29:00] Cardoe: so here's the issue
[07:29:00] Cardoe: one of my recordings recorded weird
[07:29:00] Cardoe: it says it's like 14hr long
[07:29:00] Cardoe: and skipping doesn't work
[07:29:00] EricAnderson: Hmm, MythTV doesnt wanna play my recording while emerging :(
[07:29:00] Cardoe: and fast forwarding acts kind of weird.
[07:29:00] EricAnderson: Well, it does, but it wants to be choppy
[07:29:00] fryfrog: EricAnderson: edit your make.conf and lower the nice value for portage
[07:30:00] fryfrog: er, or do you raise it?
[07:30:00] fryfrog: i always forget :)
[07:30:00] j-rod: xris, no other difference between the spec I'm using and yours now
[07:30:00] EricAnderson: I dont know how to do that anyways
[07:30:00] fryfrog: i think the larger the number, the less important?
[07:30:00] fryfrog: its just an option in make.conf
[07:30:00] darkfire: fryfrog, i think that's right
[07:30:00] EricAnderson: fryfrog: I
[07:30:00] fryfrog: PORTAGE_NICENESS=10
[07:30:00] EricAnderson: fryfrog: I'll google it
[07:30:00] fryfrog: thats what mine is set to
[07:30:00] EricAnderson: and you can watch + emerge?
[07:30:00] fryfrog: keeps portage from being more important than almost everything else :)
[07:31:00] fryfrog: well
[07:31:00] xris: j-rod: ok, cool. still one comment left to document, I think... then we can submit it to axel again.
[07:31:00] darkfire: bah! nuvexport hates family guy.
[07:31:00] fryfrog: EricAnderson: it lowers portage's priority, so IF the issue is cpu cycles for myth... it should help
[07:31:00] xris: darkfire: nothing I write will hate family guy.
[07:31:00] xris: all of my programs are well-behaved and programmed with good taste.  ;)
[07:31:00] darkfire: it errors out with: 'x' outside of string in unpack at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/nuvinfo.pm line 34. when i try to look at the family guy episodes to select them
[07:32:00] j-rod: I vaguely recall something about why that qmake depth stuff was needed...
[07:32:00] EricAnderson: fryfrog: Im not sure what the issue... its likely the issue is my slow ass ide reading writting multiple drives at once (which shouldnt be a problem), but mythtv eats all my memory
[07:32:00] j-rod: but otherwise, yeah, its a much easier to understand spec
[07:32:00] xris: darkfire: sounds like a corrupt file to me.
[07:33:00] xris: well, I do pride myself on easy-to-read code.
[07:33:00] fryfrog: EricAnderson: check top or "free" to see if you are using anyswap. If you are using very little swap, you are fine on ram
[07:33:00] darkfire: a corrupt databa.... wait, one of my .nuv files shows up as 'empty' that's probably it
[07:33:00] fryfrog: do you have DMA turned on for the IDE drives?
[07:33:00] EricAnderson: fryfrog: I use very little swap, I have DMA turned on
[07:33:00] EricAnderson: But when watching a recording (large mpeg2 stream) or live tv
[07:33:00] darkfire: xris, that was it
[07:33:00] EricAnderson: the frontend eats away at all but around 3mb of ram
[07:34:00] EricAnderson: then my 'wa' cpu usage jumps up dramasticly
[07:34:00] xris: darkfire: :) (well, :( )
[07:34:00] fryfrog: as long as you don't use much swap, you are probably just not familiair with how linux uses ram :)
[07:34:00] EricAnderson: fryfrog: The 'wa' is driving me insane
[07:34:00] fryfrog: if its a cpu usage problem, try giving mythfrontend teh sticky bit
[07:34:00] fryfrog: chmod +s `which mythfrontend`
[07:35:00] EricAnderson: We are talking about it being 2% when free ram is > 10megs
[07:35:00] fryfrog: as well as setting the portage niceness to 10 (you'd have to restart an emerge)
[07:35:00] EricAnderson: but free ram < 10megs, 'wa' cpu usage jumps back and forth from 20% to 80%
[07:35:00] fryfrog: what is 'wa'?
[07:35:00] EricAnderson: fryfrog: run top
[07:35:00] EricAnderson: it says 'wa' at the top
[07:36:00] EricAnderson: vmstats says its wait states
[07:36:00] EricAnderson: err, vmstat that is
[07:36:00] fryfrog: oh :)
[07:36:00] fryfrog: did you do what i said though?
[07:37:00] EricAnderson: not that that means dick to me... and nothing on the web seems to discuss waitstates except in reference to old school ram, which I dont have (although I am not ddr)
[07:37:00] EricAnderson: fryfrog: yeah... Trying to decide if I want to stop 15 minutes of already compiled mythtv
[07:37:00] darkfire: ouch. i transcode at 20fps :(
[07:37:00] fryfrog: EricAnderson: did you "emerge ccache" yet? :)
[07:37:00] EricAnderson: no :)
[07:38:00] fryfrog: do it, then you'll never have to cry about canceling an emerge :)
[07:38:00] EricAnderson: darkfire: Is that to me? Why?
[07:38:00] fryfrog: afterwards
[07:38:00] darkfire: err, wha?
[07:38:00] EricAnderson: darkfire: Why at 20fps?
[07:38:00] fryfrog: just cause thats what his shit is doin?
[07:38:00] darkfire: heh, not really talking to anyone, just complaining about having to fix my stupid mistakes
[07:38:00] fryfrog: i doubt its on purpose :)
[07:39:00] darkfire: now that you mention it, it is a waste of time/space, isnt it?  ;)
[07:39:00] fryfrog: transcoding?
[07:39:00] fryfrog: or talking to yourself?
[07:39:00] EricAnderson: no, isnt 20 low?
[07:39:00] darkfire: the latter
[07:40:00] darkfire: EricAnderson, dunno, never transcoded and looked at the fps before
[07:40:00] fryfrog: well, i imagine its slow
[07:40:00] fryfrog: 33fps is normal tv
[07:40:00] EricAnderson: yeah
[07:40:00] darkfire: well, slow as far as watching, sure, but i dunno if it's sub par for transcoding
[07:40:00] darkfire: i hope not, i have an amd64 3500+
[07:40:00] EricAnderson: I havent got transcoding working yet :(
[07:41:00] darkfire: it's not mythtv, i'm nuvexport'ing them
[07:41:00] EricAnderson: mythtv doesnt require it... but making it a use flag and doing --newuse makes a shitload of new pakcages show up
[07:41:00] fryfrog: darkfire: do you have the "slowass" USE flag set? :)
[07:41:00] darkfire: heh
[07:42:00] darkfire: ...is that slower than it should be going?
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[07:42:00] fryfrog: arg, jinzora make me crazy!
[07:42:00] fryfrog: darkfire: i dunno, i have an amd 1600+ i could try a transcode on if you want
[07:42:00] fryfrog: what nuvexport shiznit are you doing?
[07:43:00] darkfire: fryfrog, eh, not worth it, i don't care to try and speed it up regardless :-p mpeg4->mpeg2
[07:43:00] darkfire: export to SVCD
[07:43:00] fryfrog: you have mpeg4 and are converting to mpeg2?
[07:43:00] fryfrog: wtf kind of tv card do you have?
[07:43:00] darkfire: thanks to my wonderful PVR-350
[07:43:00] fryfrog: you mean mpeg2->mpeg2?
[07:43:00] darkfire: heh, i messed up the process, should never have gone to mpeg4 in the first place
[07:44:00] fryfrog: ahhhh
[07:44:00] fryfrog: did you auto-transcode from mpeg2->mpeg4 with myth?
[07:44:00] darkfire: no no, it started as mpeg2, went to mpeg4, and is now doggedly going back to mpeg2
[07:44:00] fryfrog: (after recording like)?
[07:44:00] darkfire: yup
[07:44:00] fryfrog: ahahha
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[07:48:00] darkfire: hrmm, if i tell apache2 to only listen on 127.0.0.1:80, that prevents outside access, right? i'm fairly sure it does, but i dont especially want a public webserver without my knowledge
[07:48:00] darkfire: bah, that's a dumb question. i'm just lazy, i'll figure it out
[07:48:00] xris: darkfire: run mythweb on https, and turn on authentication.
[07:49:00] darkfire: xris, is there a good howto around for how to do that? i dont deal with apache much
[07:49:00] xris: well, the auth is easy — covered extensively in the manual... enabling ssl is a little more difficult.
[07:50:00] xris: mythweb's .htaccess file actually has some auth stuff built in already (just commented out at the top)
[07:50:00] darkfire: hrmm, why would i need ssl if i dont want to make my server listen to the outside world?
[07:51:00] ** xris wonders what'll happen to mythrecipe when his recipe program gets finished. **
[07:52:00] EricAnderson: Dude
[07:52:00] EricAnderson: WHat I did
[07:52:00] EricAnderson: Was turn off regular listening
[07:52:00] EricAnderson: Turned on SSH
[07:52:00] EricAnderson: and .htaccess'd
[07:52:00] EricAnderson: Now my mythweb is safe!
[07:53:00] darkfire: EricAnderson, you just SSH tunnel to 127.0.0.1 from an outside server, i guess?
[07:54:00] fryfrog: security is for girls!
[07:54:00] darkfire: <-- has no clue about the workings of apache.
[07:54:00] EricAnderson: err, I meant SSL
[07:54:00] EricAnderson: But I missed everything
[07:55:00] EricAnderson: My network has WiFi and my mythtv is on a tv
[07:55:00] EricAnderson: so I access mythweb from my laptop
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[07:55:00] EricAnderson: via https, so in case my network is compromised, my mythbox is (cause thats most important right!?)
[07:56:00] EricAnderson: Now, when I am at work and I want to record something, I SSH in, tunnel the HTTPS, and do whats needed
[07:56:00] xris: my mythbox is open to the internet.
[07:56:00] xris: but behind a firewall, and only accessible via ssl with a password.
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[07:57:00] xris: could also obscure it on a nonstandard port
[07:57:00] Agrajag-: anyone who guesses my mythweb url is free to do whatever they like
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[07:58:00] Agrajag-: :)
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[07:58:00] fryfrog: i run my mythweb on mah webserver and let it remote connect to my mythbackend
[07:59:00] xris: fryfrog: I suppose I could do that, too.
[08:00:00] fryfrog: if you weren't a lazy beotch!
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[08:01:00] EricAnderson: I have my mythtv machine locked down hard
[08:01:00] EricAnderson: because its also my backup machine
[08:03:00] xris: fryfrog: yeah.. lazy... something like that.
[08:03:00] fryfrog: i leave my mythbox open like a windows computer
[08:03:00] fryfrog: the root username is "administrator" and the password is blank :)
[08:04:00] xris: heh
[08:04:00] fryfrog: and just like windows, if you telnet to port 1337 you get auto-root :)
[08:05:00] EricAnderson: Whoever was helping me with nice stuff earlier
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[08:05:00] EricAnderson: A temporary fix was to renice my mythtv user
[08:05:00] fryfrog: that was god :)
[08:05:00] fryfrog: super!
[08:05:00] fryfrog: then do chmod +s `which mythfrontend` and make that change to make.conf
[08:05:00] fryfrog: and you'll not have to worry about it again
[08:06:00] EricAnderson: Hmm
[08:07:00] fryfrog: the +s gives mythfrontend the sticky bit so it can spawn threads in real time
[08:07:00] fryfrog: priority mode i mean
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[08:07:00] fryfrog: though if you are looking for super-secure, that may not be a good idea
[08:08:00] EricAnderson: I dont know if I trust that
[08:08:00] fryfrog: Shins – New Slang rule!
[08:08:00] fryfrog: EricAnderson: if not, the make.conf change should be enough
[08:08:00] fryfrog: unless you are running many other apps that end up with a lot of cpu usage and normal to high niceness
[08:09:00] EricAnderson: fryfrog: I can also renice when needed
[08:09:00] EricAnderson: but I did do the make.conf thing already
[08:09:00] fryfrog: true, but a pain in the ass eh? :)
[08:09:00] darkfire: wow. mythweb looks really nice.
[08:09:00] EricAnderson: well, how often am I compiling???
[08:09:00] fryfrog: dont say that!
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[08:09:00] fryfrog: EricAnderson: every day!
[08:10:00] EricAnderson: hah
[08:10:00] EricAnderson: no
[08:10:00] fryfrog: EricAnderson: "emerge esearch" "esync -v && emerge -uD world -pv"
[08:10:00] EricAnderson: whats that do?
[08:10:00] darkfire: a lot.
[08:10:00] darkfire: what's esearch?
[08:10:00] EricAnderson: I need to get that email thing setup to email me nightly after my cronjob sync to let me know if there are packages that are out of date
[08:10:00] fryfrog: esearch is like "emerge -s" on teh speed/meth
[08:11:00] darkfire: oooh, nice
[08:11:00] fryfrog: so instead of "emerge -s penis" you just do "esearch penis" and its much faster
[08:11:00] EricAnderson: oh cool
[08:11:00] EricAnderson: whats esync -v ??
[08:11:00] fryfrog: esync is how you emerge sync AND Update its db at the same time
[08:11:00] EricAnderson: ah
[08:11:00] EricAnderson: cool
[08:11:00] fryfrog: another fun tweak is the portage db backend change
[08:12:00] fryfrog: and running the /usr/portage dir on reiserfs
[08:12:00] fryfrog: my reiserfs portage dir syncs about 3x faster than my ext3 one
[08:12:00] j-rod: reiserfs: good for lots and lots of small files (i.e. umpteen ebuild files)
[08:12:00] j-rod: also good for corrupting your data. :)
[08:13:00] fryfrog: the /usr/portage dir is qutie unimportant :)
[08:13:00] fryfrog: data preservation wise, that is
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[08:13:00] j-rod: actually, I've never had a problem with it, but it gets ripped quite often on some lists I'm on
[08:13:00] fryfrog: i got riffed by it once
[08:13:00] fryfrog: on an 800G partition
[08:13:00] fryfrog: but i've not had any problems since
[08:13:00] j-rod: yeah, most bad stuff I've heard about it has to do with larger volumes
[08:14:00] fryfrog: and a year or two ago :)
[08:14:00] darkfire: fryfrog, wanna start a transcode with nuvexport for me, i'm not convinced it should run quite this slow
[08:14:00] fryfrog: sure
[08:14:00] darkfire: ty
[08:14:00] fryfrog: i don't have any mpeg4 though?
[08:14:00] j-rod: I hear bad stuff still
[08:14:00] fryfrog: is mpeg2->vcd mpeg2 okay?
[08:14:00] fryfrog: i only use it for a 2G portage partion now :)
[08:15:00] darkfire: hrmm, i dont know enough about codecs to say if it is or not, but probably not the same
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[08:15:00] EricAnderson: Far from it
[08:15:00] EricAnderson: VCDs are yuck
[08:15:00] j-rod: lots of knocking of it on the dell linux-poweredge and rh lists, mostly on the multi-terabyte front
[08:15:00] j-rod: plus that whole reiser4 fiasco on lkml... :)
[08:16:00] rpete: darkfire, are you still working on mpeg4->mpeg2 transcode?
[08:16:00] EricAnderson: mpeg2->mpeg4 == big savings?
[08:16:00] darkfire: rpete, i got nuvexport set up and running, it's just running at 21fps and i dont know if thats good or bad.
[08:16:00] rpete: darkfire, that sounds reasonable
[08:17:00] darkfire: k
[08:17:00] EricAnderson: Where does ccache store its junk?
[08:17:00] xris: darkfire: nuvexport is slow
[08:17:00] xris: EricAnderson: ~/.ccache?
[08:17:00] fryfrog: in /root/.ccache
[08:17:00] EricAnderson: k
[08:18:00] fryfrog: oh, yeah ~/.ccache is a better description :)
[08:18:00] EricAnderson: So... on my /root/ I need X many Gigs of free storage, based on my setting in make.conf
[08:18:00] darkfire: EricAnderson, seems like about half the space
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[08:19:00] fryfrog: you can use "ccache --help" to set the cache size
[08:19:00] fryfrog: i use 512M myself
[08:19:00] EricAnderson: What do all of you have it setfor? the gentoo-wiki suggests 2G
[08:19:00] fryfrog: (and change the size in make.conf)
[08:19:00] fryfrog: if you can spare 2G, thats cool
[08:19:00] fryfrog: otherwise, any amount will help ya
[08:19:00] darkfire: EricAnderson, i meant the mpeg2 mpeg4 comparison, not ccache, btw
[08:20:00] EricAnderson: Ive got a 160gb drive in here for my mythtv, a 60gb in here for personal files + backup of my laptop, and a 40gb for OS + whatever else I see fit
[08:20:00] EricAnderson: darkfire: Thats better than nothing!
[08:20:00] fryfrog: i just set mine to 2G eric :)
[08:20:00] EricAnderson: Right now, it seems to take 3gb/hr on my recording settings
[08:21:00] darkfire: i'm doing mpeg2 at about 2gig/hr and mpeg4 at 1gig/hr
[08:21:00] fryfrog: i just delete shows when i'm done and don't bother with transcode
[08:21:00] EricAnderson: darkfire: What screen res and settings do you have in mythtv?? (pvr-*50??)
[08:21:00] fryfrog: but on an amd1600+ it'd prolly take to long anyway :)
[08:21:00] EricAnderson: fryfrog: my gf will go on a 10 episode Law and Order frenzy
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[08:22:00] fryfrog: EricAnderson: i do 2.2G /hr with my pvr250
[08:22:00] fryfrog: set to 720x480
[08:22:00] EricAnderson: fryfrog: All other settings default?
[08:22:00] fryfrog: its the compression ratio that is gonna reduce size
[08:22:00] EricAnderson: ?
[08:22:00] fryfrog: i do'nt recall and i can't tell right now :(
[08:22:00] EricAnderson: I see
[08:22:00] EricAnderson: I dont recall a compression ratio option
[08:22:00] fryfrog: i seem to recall "2200" does that ring a bell?
[08:23:00] fryfrog: my cable is pretty crappy so i can't see a huge diff in quality settings
[08:23:00] EricAnderson: I do recall "mpeg-2 ps" as the codec or some crap
[08:23:00] ** j-rod loves his friend's new HDTV: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product . . . 3503,00.html **
[08:23:00] EricAnderson: Ah, this 3gb/hour looks FANTASTIC
[08:23:00] darkfire: EricAnderson, actually, i have no clue what settings i got those sizes at, i've been playing with the settings too much lately
[08:23:00] fryfrog: HOLEY FUCKING COW!
[08:23:00] fryfrog: i got a new 32" WS CRT tv and i love it :)
[08:24:00] fryfrog: but 50" plasma for $12k is outta MY price range :)
[08:24:00] darkfire: i would kill a man for that TV.
[08:24:00] j-rod: Pioneer's MSRP is retarded
[08:24:00] fryfrog: i got mine for $800 at hi-fi buys
[08:24:00] j-rod: they actually sell for ~$5000
[08:24:00] fryfrog: still, thats 5x more expensive than what i got :)
[08:24:00] darkfire: only ;)
[08:24:00] j-rod: gonna help the guy set it up this weekend
[08:25:00] j-rod: he told me he was getting a tv
[08:25:00] j-rod: then sent me that link and my jaw dropped
[08:25:00] j-rod: (before figuring out the MSRP was way high)
[08:25:00] j-rod: still a bad-ass tv
[08:25:00] darkfire: i was always surprised when i moved plasma screens around. considering the size, they are still as heavy/heavier than a 32 inch crt
[08:25:00] j-rod: with a nice Monarch Hornet Pro system hooked to it
[08:25:00] EricAnderson: Ive seen some very sexy 72" widescreen TV's at BestBuy
[08:26:00] Agrajag-: 72".. crazy
[08:26:00] EricAnderson: well, not some, but one
[08:26:00] EricAnderson: Something like 18–20k if I recall
[08:26:00] EricAnderson: I bet they never sell it
[08:26:00] darkfire: off to bed.
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[08:26:00] Agrajag-: tvs have to be way overpriced
[08:26:00] Agrajag-: when you think you can buy a car for that much
[08:27:00] Agrajag-: a decent car
[08:27:00] EricAnderson: but your car doesnt give you life size porn!
[08:27:00] dark|elsewhere: not a car that will make you wet yourself because it looks so much like real life ;)
[08:27:00] Agrajag-: depends who's in it
[08:27:00] Agrajag-: :P
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[08:50:00] mchou: lol. I'd rather pick real women in a car rather than look at pr0n :)
[08:51:00] mchou: up*
[08:52:00] rpete: why do men think women are impressed with their cars?
[08:52:00] rpete: a motorcycle on the other hand...
[08:53:00] mchou: rpete: who said anything about impressed??
[08:53:00] laga: mchou: www.cartft.com you can always watch pron while picking up women.
[08:54:00] mchou: I'd pickup women on my 10 spd bike if I have to :)
[08:54:00] mchou: something which you cant do at all while watching pr0n :)
[08:54:00] laga: hehehe
[08:55:00] adante: can somebody give me a hand here, i can't watch live tv but i can record things fine
[08:55:00] rpete: all I know is that some women ask for rides on my new motorcycle, this is a new experience for me
[08:55:00] mchou: lol
[08:55:00] adante: frontend output just keeps saying "taking too long to be allowed to read"
[08:55:00] mchou: "a hand"
[08:56:00] adante: haha, that never gets old!
[08:56:00] mchou: well, considering we are talking about pr0n :)
[08:58:00] mchou: rpete: so you bought and extra helmet and a slut bag?
[08:58:00] rpete: well, this goes to the heart of the problem, my bike doesn't even have a passenger seat so they have to sit on my lap
[08:58:00] mchou: if I were a woman I'd never get on a motocycle with a guy.
[08:58:00] fryfrog: have you ever seen a tshirt that says "If you can read this, the bitch fell off" :)
[08:58:00] rpete: obviously this situation is unsafe
[08:59:00] mchou: cause you dont know if he can handle the bike.....
[08:59:00] mchou: never mind the chick! haha
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[09:03:00] mchou: I still remember the time when I was in college. My friend and I were on our way to the strip club......
[09:03:00] mchou: right when we get out of the car (after parking), we witness a motocycle accident at the intersection.
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[09:04:00] rpete: that was me!
[09:04:00] mchou: driver and his passenger chick both auched and died.
[09:04:00] mchou: launched*
[09:04:00] rpete: ouch, that sucks
[09:04:00] mchou: needless to say we didnt bother going into the strip club after that.
[09:05:00] laga: ouch
[09:07:00] mchou: and the driver in the car did a hit and run.......
[09:07:00] fryfrog: damn, THAT sucks
[09:07:00] mchou: drove off in his damn suv.
[09:07:00] fryfrog: was it his fault?
[09:07:00] mchou: hmm, not certain.....
[09:08:00] mchou: not clear who ran the light.....
[09:08:00] mchou: but most likely the driver did.
[09:08:00] mchou: cause why else would he disappear?
[09:08:00] fryfrog: true
[09:09:00] mchou: I mean involuntary vehicular manslaughter is not much of a charge, iirc....
[09:11:00] mchou: This was one of the "nice" strip clubs in LA. I was pissed.
[09:11:00] mchou: hehe...
[09:11:00] rpete: didn't you chase him?
[09:12:00] fryfrog: he'd just parked
[09:12:00] mchou: we were on foot.
[09:12:00] fryfrog: and he wasn't involved in the accident
[09:12:00] fryfrog: my gf chased down the mexicans that hit-n-run her :)
[09:13:00] mchou: the damn moto driver and his passenger both werent wearing helmets either.....
[09:13:00] fryfrog: oh, that'd do it :/
[09:13:00] rpete: there's no helmet law in CA?
[09:13:00] fryfrog: wonder if they would have survived w/ it
[09:13:00] mchou: this was b4 helmets were mandatory.
[09:13:00] mchou: hmm, hard to say.....
[09:14:00] fryfrog: lotta other things to break besides your head though
[09:14:00] fryfrog: little bit of neck would be enough
[09:14:00] mchou: yeah....
[09:28:00] Skaface: i really need some quick help here
[09:28:00] Skaface: in mplayer
[09:28:00] Skaface: is it + and – to change the audio sync?
[09:28:00] Skaface: im half way through a movie and its all wrong
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[16:04:00] iver: hello
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: That machine will likely be fine as a frontend :)
[16:05:00] iver: could a pc using a 1,2ghz celeron cpu and 256mb sdram be my mythtv frontend
[16:05:00] iver: ?
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: Sure it could
[16:05:00] iver: what about decoding xvid streams
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: It's not a beefy machine, but it should work as a regular frontend
[16:06:00] iver: great
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: It should be ok with xvid as well
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: if my 800MHZ laptop can do it, then that should as well :)
[16:06:00] iver: its only 300NOK...like 35USD
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: wow, nice
[16:06:00] bigslam: laptop:S
[16:06:00] iver: ah
[16:06:00] iver: cool
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: I'd love to pickup a set (including motherboard) for that price
[16:07:00] iver: the mb is included
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: bigslam: I use to use an old laptop as a frontend
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: worked fine
[16:07:00] CyberKnet: does anyone know if the firewire port is a requirement for all digital boxes or just HD boxes?
[16:07:00] CyberKnet: I mean, in so far as required by the FCC, not myth
[16:08:00] iver: oh, wait. its a amd duron. i missread it :p
[16:08:00] iver: but it would still be ok?
[16:08:00] GreyFoxx: I would think so
[16:08:00] bigslam: CyberKnet> why would the FCC require a firewire port?
[16:09:00] CyberKnet: bigslam: *shrug* I dunno, but they did. I just dont remember if it is only for HD stbs or all digital stvs
[16:10:00] bigslam: hmm
[16:11:00] CyberKnet: bigslam: and myth can record and change channel over the firewire interface on the Motorola DCT6200
[16:12:00] bigslam: hmm Motorola DCT6200 runs mythtv?
[16:12:00] CyberKnet: no
[16:12:00] CyberKnet: I didn't say that.
[16:13:00] CyberKnet: I said that MythTV can change channels and record the video via the firewire port if you have a motorola DCT6200 hooked up via firewire
[16:13:00] bigslam: i see
[16:13:00] CyberKnet: that is very different.
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[16:13:00] bigslam: motorola DCT6200 for what? satellite?
[16:14:00] CyberKnet: cable. it's a cable set top box.
[16:14:00] bigslam: hmm do all cable boxes come with CI slots now?
[16:14:00] CyberKnet: I have no idea.
[16:15:00] CyberKnet: I dont have a cable box right now.
[16:15:00] bigslam: just basic cable?
[16:16:00] CyberKnet: Yes.
[16:18:00] GreyFoxx: WTF is the user of "reserves" on Ebay? Why not list the darn item starting at the minimum the person will accept
[16:18:00] GreyFoxx: grrrr
[16:18:00] GreyFoxx: user = use
[16:19:00] bigslam: i just bought a DVB-S card on ebay:P
[16:20:00] GreyFoxx: I have a love/hate relationship with ebay
[16:20:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I agree
[16:20:00] GreyFoxx: and as time goes on it's more and more hate :)
[16:20:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: indeed
[16:20:00] bigslam: why what happen
[16:21:00] GreyFoxx: bigslam: people rip you off with shipping, or wont ship everywhere. That is abig annoyance to me
[16:21:00] CyberKnet: bigslam: because of fsckers who do things like list things as $1 then have $20 shipping for a pez dispenser.
[16:21:00] GreyFoxx: exactly
[16:21:00] CyberKnet: and you can't sort by $(price + shipping)
[16:22:00] CyberKnet: so it takes FOREVER to go through them sometimes
[16:22:00] bigslam: hmm
[16:22:00] CyberKnet: which is a veritable pain in the ass
[16:22:00] GreyFoxx: It use to be that you would tell the person where you live and they would find out the REAL cost of shipping to you and you paid that
[16:22:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: indeed it did.
[16:22:00] GreyFoxx: now everyone just quotes a flat amount regardless of where you live
[16:22:00] bigslam: i dont like people that fool people with a picture and in the info it says will send picture to all countrys in small print
[16:22:00] GreyFoxx: and there is NO WAY it costs that much to ship stuff
[16:23:00] GreyFoxx: And when you see someone who will ship "Anywhere in the US for $5 but to Canada cost $25" it's ridiculous and only a way to rip people off
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[16:24:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: Ebay is the bastion of the unholy
[16:25:00] bigslam: shipping cost me $10 fedex the package was 2.3LB
[16:26:00] GreyFoxx: There is one item I am interested in, it costs $12 in the auction, but they want $28 US to ship it from hongkong. Its tiny and weights maybe 1 lb. There is no way it would cost that much to ship unless it was overnight air priority mail
[16:27:00] bigslam: yea
[16:27:00] bigslam: i think thats about right:P
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: I ship things to out HK office all the time, no way that's right :)
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: our
[16:28:00] bigslam: why not email him then:P
[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: I did, he wont budge
[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: "flat rate shipping"
[16:28:00] bigslam: have someone u know in hk and pick it up
[16:28:00] bigslam: then ship it to you
[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: He did say that if I bought 2 then he would ship both together for the same price... just trying to weasel more money
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[16:29:00] GreyFoxx: no, I tried that too, he wont do it. ship to buyer only, no pickups and no shipping to anywhere but the confirmed paypal address
[16:29:00] bigslam: basterd
[16:29:00] bigslam: bastard*
[16:29:00] bigslam: what was it anyways?
[16:29:00] GreyFoxx: Which is what makes me hate ebay, or at least the sellers :)
[16:30:00] GreyFoxx: another wireless video camera/receiver I'm hooking up to another RC car. I have one now and was picking up another
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[16:30:00] GreyFoxx: It's damn good price, but if you add in shipping it's not so good :)
[16:31:00] bigslam: nice RC car what kinda motor?
[16:31:00] mich43l: is it possible to use two dvb-t cards with mythtv?
[16:31:00] GreyFoxx: Just little cheapy stuff
[16:31:00] bigslam: yea mich
[16:31:00] GreyFoxx: Mostly for chasing the cats around the house with heh
[16:31:00] bigslam: http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/mythdvb.html
[16:31:00] GreyFoxx: I'm considering putting this one into something to take underwater
[16:31:00] mich43l: thanks
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[16:32:00] bigslam: http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/mythdvb2.html
[16:32:00] bigslam: more that page
[16:32:00] bigslam: look for Adding the Second DVB Card
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[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: Wonder why Ebay still lists HongKong as being part of the UK
[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: that was like 7 years ago
[16:34:00] bigslam: :P
[16:35:00] bigslam: fedora is almost done installing
[16:35:00] bigslam: i mean downloading
[16:35:00] GreyFoxx: I think a coworker is installing FC4 on his box right now. I've yet to see the installer for it
[16:36:00] bigslam: core 3 here
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[16:36:00] bigslam: [10 May 2005] Fedora Core 4 test 3 now available
[16:36:00] GreyFoxx: If anything I'll get to hear any complaints/compliments he has over it :) I listened to him complain about 2 and 3 heh
[16:37:00] bigslam: heh
[16:37:00] ** GreyFoxx hugs his box for not giving him troubles **
[16:37:00] bigslam: what do u use?
[16:37:00] GreyFoxx: Slackware
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[16:38:00] bigslam: ahh yea thats a good distro
[16:38:00] GreyFoxx: It does the job
[16:38:00] GreyFoxx: which makes me happy :)
[16:39:00] bigslam: compiling everything is a bitch but in the long run it pays off better then using rpms and shit
[16:39:00] GreyFoxx: Compiling is usually pretty simple, and if you want to make packages of most things that's pretty easy (most of the time) too
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[16:39:00] CyberKnet: if you can't compile it, you shouldn't be running it =)
[16:40:00] bigslam: :)
[16:40:00] ** CyberKnet notices KDE and X11 disappear from his system **
[16:40:00] CyberKnet: heh
[16:40:00] bigslam: ?
[16:40:00] CyberKnet: let alone glibc =)
[16:40:00] CyberKnet: bigslam: examples of things I may not necessarily be able to compile =P"
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: They are simple to compile
[16:41:00] bigslam: why wouldnt kde compile lol
[16:41:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: bad joke
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: It just takes a while
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[16:41:00] CyberKnet: a very long while.
[16:41:00] CyberKnet: I compiled KDE once. I forget why.
[16:41:00] CyberKnet: wowsers did it take a long time.
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: X is not as bad, but KDE or QT take forever
[16:42:00] GreyFoxx: I've compiled KDE ummm 6 or so times since it first came out. But that was many years ago
[16:42:00] GreyFoxx: Once I came accross icewm I never went back
[16:42:00] GreyFoxx: I didn't want all the fluff it came with
[16:43:00] bigslam: http://www.msri.org/publications/ln/msri/user . . . /1/icewm.jpg
[16:43:00] bigslam: basic:P
[16:44:00] CyberKnet: has a little more stuff than I would like
[16:44:00] CyberKnet: *grin*
[16:44:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/screen1.jpg
[16:44:00] GreyFoxx: That's my screen at home a few months ago, I exported mythfrontend to that display to show someone the menu
[16:45:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: what dialog is that?
[16:45:00] GreyFoxx: What theme do you mean?
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[16:45:00] GreyFoxx: or the myth menu ?
[16:45:00] mich43l: are all dvb-t cards non hardware encoding?
[16:45:00] CyberKnet: the myth menu
[16:45:00] GreyFoxx: TV Setting, Appearance I think
[16:46:00] CyberKnet: aha
[16:46:00] bigslam: some dvb cards dont have hardware encoders on it
[16:46:00] bigslam: so it would then be software
[16:46:00] CyberKnet: I didn't recall seeing the theme preview before.
[16:46:00] mich43l: do u know any that do?
[16:46:00] bigslam: nexus-s has hardware i know that
[16:46:00] bigslam: what one do u have?
[16:47:00] GreyFoxx: This is a snap of my work desktop back when I had a aiw install
[16:47:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/look.jpg
[16:47:00] mich43l: i currently have a pvr500 but i want to send it back and get a dvb-t card or maybe two, just trying to find one that wont use much pf my cpu
[16:48:00] mich43l: *of
[16:48:00] mich43l: because its only a p3 866
[16:48:00] bigslam: hmm
[16:48:00] bigslam: gprs
[16:48:00] GreyFoxx: And the 500 uses too much CPU?!?!?
[16:48:00] GreyFoxx: It should use almost nothing
[16:49:00] mich43l: no no it doesnt use anything because it doesnt seem to work
[16:49:00] GreyFoxx: ahhhh ok
[16:49:00] bigslam: hehe
[16:49:00] GreyFoxx: well that is a problem then :)
[16:49:00] bigslam: yo what kinda gprs u running?
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[16:49:00] bigslam: and why gprs:/
[16:50:00] bigslam: or is that newsgroups:P
[16:50:00] bigslam: or email:P
[16:50:00] mich43l: i had it working with mce for a while but then it started rebooting my pc, then i started using mythtv and i couldnt get the channels to work here in the uk, so i agve up with the card
[16:51:00] bigslam: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/
[16:51:00] bigslam: myth forums
[16:51:00] mich43l: thanks for the help
[16:52:00] bigslam: np seeing i dont know that much sorry i couldnt be anymore
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[17:00:00] bigslam: yo
[17:05:00] CyberKnet: ~hey xris
[17:08:00] mich43l: bigslam: if was to buy 2 hauppauge dvb-t cards would i need a pretty fast cpu to record two channels at once?
[17:08:00] bigslam: hmm i dont have a t
[17:09:00] bigslam: and i think t is software encode
[17:11:00] mich43l: yeh thats why i was thinking i would need a fast cpu to cope with recording two streams at once or watch one stream and record another?
[17:11:00] bigslam: why not just but one with hardware?
[17:12:00] mich43l: i usually try to stick with hauppauge because they are really good
[17:15:00] bigslam: sorry man i dont know that much:/
[17:15:00] bigslam: u could try #dvb:P
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[17:18:00] ** Beirdo is away: Goin' to Tennessee, seeya **
[17:19:00] kormoc: have fun Beirdo!
[17:19:00] kormoc: enjoy the moonshine, but don't go blind!
[17:19:00] bigslam: cya beirdo
[17:19:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:19:00] Beirdo: figuring I can drink 151 proof rum, not much chance
[17:20:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[17:20:00] Beirdo: it should be a fun trip
[17:20:00] kormoc: indeed :)
[17:20:00] kormoc: but the blindness doesn't come from the proof, it comes from people distilling it wrong :)
[17:20:00] Beirdo: it comes from making it with wood :)
[17:20:00] kormoc: yuppies!
[17:21:00] Beirdo: no, yuppies drive BMWs
[17:21:00] kormoc: hrm
[17:21:00] kormoc: so I've been giving away BMW's? shit...
[17:22:00] CyberKnet: making it with wood
[17:22:00] CyberKnet: oh so many possibilities
[17:23:00] CyberKnet: "It comes from making it with wood"
[17:23:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: silly boy
[17:23:00] CyberKnet: Jeez, I'm gonna have a heart attack leaving that alone.
[17:23:00] Beirdo: anyways, time for me to clear out
[17:23:00] CyberKnet: later B
[17:23:00] ** kormoc waves **
[17:23:00] Beirdo: time to head for redneck country
[17:23:00] kormoc: Don't forget your towel and shotgun!
[17:24:00] ** CyberKnet waits for Beirdo at the "airport" **
[17:24:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, main street?
[17:25:00] CyberKnet: just shy oer yonder, over by mominem. I can show you, ifn yon-to.
[17:26:00] kormoc: Main Street will be closed from 12:00 to 12:30, we gots a plane a landin.
[17:26:00] CyberKnet: least, I reckon so.
[17:26:00] CyberKnet: "don't nobody fire thems guns in the hots parts of the day!"
[17:27:00] CyberKnet: awnit.
[17:27:00] CyberKnet: not that I've been living here too long or anything.
[17:27:00] CyberKnet: *sigh*
[17:31:00] ** kormoc yawns. **
[17:33:00] bigslam: damn have to redownload fedora core 3 agian:/
[17:33:00] ** kormoc raises a eyebrow. **
[17:34:00] bigslam: it was done but firefox went over because it didnt know how big it was
[17:35:00] xris: bigslam: use torrent
[17:35:00] bigslam: i dont like torrents
[17:37:00] kormoc: welp, I guess you'll just have to deal with multiple downloads and the loss of time.
[17:38:00] bigslam: yep
[17:45:00] ** CyberKnet likes torrents **
[17:45:00] CyberKnet: Cox doesn't like me liking torrents =)
[17:46:00] bigslam: how do u know?:P
[17:46:00] CyberKnet: but they haven't been Cox about it yet =)
[17:46:00] kormoc: no isp likes torrents...
[17:46:00] CyberKnet: bigslam: they just prefer people to not use much upload, is all =)
[17:46:00] kormoc: exactly, upstream is what they don't like giving.
[17:46:00] bigslam: comcast doesnt like torrents
[17:46:00] bigslam: lol i stay away from torrents
[17:46:00] CyberKnet: it's all about plausible deniability.
[17:47:00] CyberKnet: "No, we didn't think anything of him downloading 500mb in one day." is easier to say than "No, we didn't think anything of him uploading 2.5Gb in one day"
[17:47:00] kormoc: 2.5 gigs uploaded in a day?
[17:48:00] CyberKnet: well... =)
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[17:48:00] kormoc: that's uploading 30.34 kBps for 24 hours :)
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[17:50:00] CyberKnet: my cable modem has twice that in potential upload
[17:50:00] CyberKnet: 512kbit / s
[17:51:00] kormoc: ya, but like, would you really let it run that much?
[17:51:00] CyberKnet: probably not ;)
[17:51:00] CyberKnet: I'm just saying, is all
[17:52:00] CyberKnet: it's all about plausible deniability and how easy it would be to say "This is average, or at least not so above average that we should have recognized it"
[17:52:00] CyberKnet: download is used so much for other things that an excessive download is easier to play off than someone who has been uploading like a madman for a few hours.
[18:04:00] Cardoe: any Gentoo ebuild users?
[18:05:00] ** kormoc raises a eyebrow at Cardoe. **
[18:07:00] Cardoe: Well I have a new one
[18:07:00] ** bigslam raises a eyebrow at #mythtv-users **
[18:07:00] kormoc: yeah?
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[18:08:00] Cardoe: wanna test it?
[18:08:00] kormoc: sure
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[18:10:00] Cardoe: http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/mythtv-0.18.1-r1.ebuild
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[18:12:00] ** kormoc tests. **
[18:13:00] CyberKnet: I wonder when microsoft has to start producing xbox360's in order to have a reasonable supply for their simultaneous worldwide launch...
[18:13:00] Cardoe: It should take into consideration SOME of your CFLAGS
[18:13:00] CyberKnet: can you even imagine the shortages that are gonna happen with these puppies? =)
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[18:14:00] kormoc: Cardoe, usr/local/portage/media-tv/mythtv/files/mythtv-0.18.1-opengl-fix.patch
[18:14:00] kormoc: Cardoe, is that in the old one or is that a new patch?
[18:15:00] kormoc: Cardoe, nm, got it.
[18:16:00] kormoc: "Don't complain because your -momfg-fast-speed CFLAG is being stripped"
[18:16:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[18:17:00] opello: haha
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[18:46:00] beavis: what do cigarettes cost in US now?
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[18:49:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: I have a problem connecting to my backend
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[18:51:00] harryvv: hello anyone have experaince with haupp wintv and fc3? vidio windows has partial vidio.
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[19:02:00] xris: beavis: in dollars or minutes off your life?
[19:04:00] kormoc: beavis, depends on the state/where in the state you go.
[19:05:00] xris: and the brand, and where you shop (costco, 7–11, indian reservation), etc.
[19:06:00] xris: altogether a hassle I'm glad I don't have to deal with.
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[19:07:00] hadees: anyone here ever try playing any windows games via wine or Cedega
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[19:08:00] kormoc: I do, quite a lot
[19:08:00] hadees: on their mythtv box?
[19:08:00] hadees: kormoc, on your mythtv box?
[19:08:00] kormoc: well, given my mythbox is my desktop, aye
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[19:09:00] hadees: kormoc, hmm okay, well i was wondering how it would work on a TV
[19:09:00] hadees: i guess you would really need an HDTV
[19:09:00] hadees: but i don't know if any graphics cards under linux can output to that
[19:09:00] kormoc: it looks okay if you get the res/refresh rate right in the xconfig, but it's messy.
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[19:10:00] hadees: kormoc, on a regular TV or on HDTV?
[19:10:00] zacs: are the pchdtv cards only for OTA signals? or can i plug it into a set top box?
[19:11:00] hadees: zacs, only for OTA
[19:11:00] kormoc: hadees, regular.
[19:11:00] hadees: and air2pc is better
[19:11:00] zacs: hadees: suck, we only get like 1 OTA channel in canada, and my provider disables the firewire ports on the SA boxes
[19:12:00] hadees: zacs, have you tried to talk them into enabling it?
[19:12:00] ** epoch pokes zacs in the eye **
[19:12:00] zacs: hadees: i doubt i could find someone with enough clue at rogers to do that for me
[19:13:00] hadees: are they only in Canada?
[19:13:00] epoch: yep
[19:13:00] zacs: hadees: yeah
[19:13:00] hadees: if they aren't then under US law they have to be able to turn it on from an FCC rulling
[19:13:00] hadees: oh well
[19:14:00] hadees: just have to go back to clubing baby seals and shooting Moose
[19:14:00] zacs: that's why i have mythtv... i can record eps of shooting baby moose for fun and profit while i'm out clubbing the seals
[19:14:00] hadees: if you are really hard pressed for hdtv, you could go with sat
[19:15:00] hadees: i think hdtv is over rated
[19:15:00] zacs: i love hdtv
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[19:16:00] hadees: zacs, i hope you also like black bars because they will be on everything you watch
[19:16:00] Chutt: if you think it's overrated, you've never seen it on a real tv
[19:16:00] zacs: hadees: i get those now... running regular cable on my hdtv set
[19:16:00] j-rod: yup, if you have a real tv, HDTV is flat-out amazing
[19:17:00] CyberKnet: I would like to see HDTV on a real TV.
[19:17:00] hadees: Chutt, my parents have a HDTV and it was a better picture but the way people talk about it i thought i was going to be, i don't know, more
[19:17:00] zacs: i have a 57 inch sony xbr hdtv... not as nice as the newer stuff but it still looks good
[19:17:00] Chutt: they must not have a terribly good set, then
[19:18:00] Chutt: there's a _huge_ difference in quality
[19:18:00] hadees: mabey but the real problem i have with it is that now there are like 3 ratios views, you got regular TV, HDTV and movies
[19:18:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[19:18:00] zacs: i find myself getting lost in shit you see in the background with hdtv... it's amazing how much more you can see
[19:18:00] Chutt: big enough screen, and that doesn't really matter :p
[19:19:00] epoch: zacs is an HD weenie
[19:19:00] hadees: it doesn't matter i'll have to buy an HDTV at some point
[19:19:00] epoch: real men watch tv on their cellphones
[19:19:00] zacs: epoch: yay for stock options!
[19:19:00] ** CyberKnet checks to make sure he didn't join #mythtv by accident **
[19:20:00] j-rod: +1 on yay for stock options.
[19:20:00] epoch: zacs: yeah, too bad you spent it all on coke and hookers
[19:20:00] j-rod: just cashed in some shares the beginning of the week. :)
[19:20:00] j-rod: taxes on them suck
[19:20:00] zacs: epoch: yeah, but man, was that a fun week
[19:20:00] zacs: j-rod: i'm still paying my taxes off... but i got a big tv
[19:20:00] epoch: haha, too bad you didn't spend it on female hookers
[19:20:00] epoch: hiyo!
[19:20:00] hadees: huh you all work at the same place?
[19:21:00] j-rod: I got the big tv 3 years ago
[19:21:00] hadees: i want to know why HDTV prices aren't droping
[19:21:00] j-rod: this round of funding is going to do some home improvement work and a new laptop
[19:21:00] epoch: uh
[19:21:00] epoch: they _are_ dropping
[19:21:00] zacs: mine was like 4 or 5, 6 months to the day after va linux went public :)
[19:22:00] hadees: epoch, from what i read they have plateaued
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[19:23:00] epoch: hadees: that implies they've been rising, and have stopped rising...
[19:23:00] epoch: which isn't the case ;P
[19:23:00] epoch: they haven't stopped dropping, either
[19:23:00] CyberKnet: yes. I think he should have said bottomed out
[19:24:00] CyberKnet: just yesterday I saw a 52" rear projection HDTV for a thousand bucks, no rebates.
[19:24:00] zacs: epoch is the grammar nazi... be warned
[19:24:00] epoch: zacs knows the score
[19:24:00] hadees: epoch, plateaued 2. A relatively stable level, period, or state: Mortgage rates declined, then reached a plateau.
[19:25:00] CyberKnet: I mean, you couldn't get a 52" rear projection tv not very long ago for a thousand bucks, HD or otherwise.
[19:26:00] epoch: hadees: what dictionary's that off of?
[19:26:00] epoch: hadees: I've *never* heard it used in that context
[19:26:00] epoch: not that I'm one to argue semantics or anything
[19:27:00] epoch: (oh wait, yes I am) :)
[19:28:00] epoch: CyberKnet: seriously — my 27" CRT tv was like $1600 new when it was purchased
[19:29:00] j-rod: I ended up having to pay like $4k in taxes on my stock options. That was painful...
[19:30:00] CyberKnet: epoch: no doubt
[19:31:00] CyberKnet: j-rod: that bites. I hope the remainder was worth the cash in.
[19:31:00] epoch: I'm considering buying an HDTV when the playstation 3 comes out
[19:31:00] j-rod: hell yeah :)
[19:31:00] CyberKnet: j-rod: then hooray for you =)
[19:31:00] epoch: but I kinda also want to wait until 1080p is reasonably priced
[19:31:00] j-rod: still waiting on the check, but $9k plus on the way to me
[19:31:00] zacs: j-rod: i financed a small wing at one of our local hospitals i think
[19:31:00] j-rod: heh, yeah
[19:32:00] epoch: the zacs memorial STD wing?
[19:32:00] j-rod: wish I coulda cashed out about 3 months ago, woulda got more than 2x as much...
[19:32:00] j-rod: at least my strike was plenty low enough
[19:32:00] zacs: yeah, strike saved me too
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[19:35:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Hmm when I run mythfilldatabase it fetches stuff from zap2it , but when it is time to connect to the master backend it times out.
[19:35:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Any idea
[19:35:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: I run bith frontend and backend on the same box.
[19:35:00] epoch: haha
[19:35:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: They are both set to 127.0.0.1
[19:35:00] epoch: that's the most ridiculous nick I've ever seen
[19:35:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Yeah I know.
[19:35:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Ive been told.
[19:36:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543
[19:36:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: It just hangs there
[19:36:00] sunilonln: is the backend running?
[19:36:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: yep
[19:36:00] sunilonln: just checking
[19:36:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: * Starting MythTV Backend ... [ ok ]
[19:36:00] epoch: you sure it's running?
[19:37:00] zacs: can you telnet to it on 6543?
[19:37:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: 29529 ? 00:00:00 mythbackend
[19:37:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: ps -A
[19:37:00] epoch: got a firewall in the way maybe?
[19:37:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: mysql is running too.
[19:37:00] zacs: telnet localhost 6543
[19:38:00] zacs: see if you can establish a connection
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[19:38:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: k one sec. I dont think I have the telnet package.
[19:38:00] epoch: yes you do
[19:39:00] epoch: everybody has telnet!
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[19:39:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Ill have it in a sec.
[19:39:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Gentoo :)
[19:40:00] epoch: ffs
[19:40:00] bigslam: hmm is there something better about gentoo then another distro?
[19:40:00] epoch: no, gentoo blows ;P
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: bigslam: Well that would depend on if you ask a Gentoo user or not, now wouldn't it ?
[19:40:00] zacs: bigslam: you get to watch shit compile instead of doing real work
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: Use whatever distro you are most comfortable
[19:41:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: I just like the package manager.
[19:41:00] kormoc: bigslam, it depends on what you like.
[19:41:00] kormoc: zacs, ot
[19:41:00] epoch: yeah, gentoo is good if you like wasting your time
[19:41:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Yeah was about to say its not really better
[19:41:00] bigslam: i like slackware and fedora
[19:41:00] kormoc: zacs, epoch, it's called background compiling...
[19:41:00] GreyFoxx: bigslam: Then use one of them
[19:41:00] bigslam: bsd is nice
[19:41:00] epoch: kormoc: just cuz it's compiling in the background doesn't make it available to use any faster...
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: Using a distro you don't know well, will just frustrate you :)
[19:42:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: zacs: nope I cant telnet into it
[19:42:00] bigslam: they mostly all work the same
[19:42:00] epoch: kormoc: take bzcat_-|patch_p1, for example... if he wasn't using gentoo, he'd have been able to telnet to this port like 5mins ago ;)
[19:42:00] zacs: bzcat_-|patch_p1: well, that's your problem
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: bigslam: I assume you get my point
[19:42:00] zacs: check firewalls, selinux and such
[19:42:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: epoch: Yeah but from now on I can.
[19:43:00] epoch: bzcat_-|patch_p1: right, but if you had been using a distro that doesn't suck, you wouldn't have had to go to that trouble :)
[19:44:00] kormoc: epoch, it's not that much longer...
[19:44:00] kormoc: epoch, and some of us are more patient then you are.
[19:44:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: No trouble it was less than 3 mins
[19:44:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: I like installing packages as I need them.
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[19:44:00] kormoc: indeed.
[19:44:00] cygdev: anyone using the EPG? does it work with DVB ? thx
[19:45:00] epoch: kormoc: heh
[19:45:00] epoch: I dunno
[19:46:00] epoch: I've been using linux for over 10 years now, and I had my fill of compiling everything back when I was using slackware
[19:46:00] epoch: I like my system to be usable...
[19:46:00] kormoc: I've used linux for well over 5 years, and gentoo's what fits myself the best.
[19:46:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[19:46:00] epoch: what happens, for example, if your gentoo box has no net connection?
[19:46:00] kormoc: I've used gentoo for 5 years.
[19:47:00] zacs: kormoc: trying to manage gentoo on large scale deployments is less than ideal
[19:47:00] kormoc: what's the good of a computer without inet?
[19:47:00] zacs: package management has it's purpose
[19:47:00] ** xris likes being able to compile if he WANTS to... need something like gentoo but with full binary package support. **
[19:47:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: zacs: I'm not sure whats blocking it.
[19:47:00] kormoc: zacs, I never said it worked on that scale, but saying cause it doesn't scale that well doesn't mean it sucks for desktop use.
[19:47:00] epoch: kormoc: uh...
[19:47:00] xris: or add a "build" command to apt.
[19:48:00] epoch: xris: building (and rebuilding) debian packages really isn't that hard ;)
[19:48:00] zacs: xris: you can build with apt
[19:48:00] xris: epoch: yes. but it's not integrated into apt..
[19:48:00] epoch: um
[19:48:00] xris: (and I was talking about apt for redhat, too)
[19:48:00] xris: how do you build with apt?
[19:49:00] xris: I only know how to grab sources, but that's completely different.
[19:49:00] zacs: apt-build source foo
[19:49:00] epoch: there's another thing I don't get... why would you use apt with redhat?
[19:49:00] xris: ah, no apt-build for redhat.
[19:49:00] epoch: why not just use debian?
[19:49:00] epoch: like, come on
[19:49:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: zacs: Its rather not too hard. You can make bin packages out of everything setup a rsync box and have the rest sync into it.
[19:50:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Have one box be a production box.
[19:50:00] zacs: bzcat_-|patch_p1: sure, then how do you in one step verify what has been modified on a given box?
[19:50:00] epoch: seriously though, what's the *advantage* of compiling all your software?
[19:50:00] xris: epoch: debian/ubuntu only recently started supporting something like kickstart (called FAI, fully-automated-install), which is necessary when installing onto tens/hundreds of boxes.
[19:50:00] kormoc: epoch, it tends to work better
[19:51:00] epoch: kormoc: define better
[19:51:00] epoch: xris: FAI's been around for like 5 years now...
[19:51:00] zacs: yeah debian has been missing kickstart for years
[19:51:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: zacs: Id rather not discuss this . I want to focus on fixing mythtv before saturday( Playoffs)
[19:51:00] kormoc: the binarys tend to be built with the libs on my system, so there's less overall lib breakage.
[19:51:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: I want to schedule a recording
[19:51:00] zacs: bzcat_-|patch_p1: sure :)
[19:51:00] kormoc: etc.
[19:51:00] GreyFoxx: Hmmm, immediate ability to install everything, no waiting for packages or source to make to a repository, fine control of build options without having to edit build scripts or other "build" make files. No need to upgrade libraries for a newly installed app just cause someone who make a package set a newer library version as a requirement even though it's not really needed.
[19:51:00] ** kormoc shrugs. **
[19:52:00] xris: epoch: well, apparently not in a stable enough position for companies to start using it. only a TINY portion of our customers buy anything other than redhat/fedora boxes.
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[19:52:00] epoch: kormoc: and how's that better than a package management system?
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: No crying cause package A broke package B
[19:52:00] epoch: (by the way, it's not, it's worse)
[19:52:00] kormoc: epoch, I've had many a problem with rh/mandrake updating a program and breaking it, when I used them
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[19:52:00] epoch: xris: that's not the reason everybody buys redhat :)
[19:52:00] kormoc: (I'm gonna disagree with you on that one)
[19:52:00] xris: epoch: who said anythign about buying?
[19:53:00] GreyFoxx: Personally I compile "most" stuff, and if it's to be used on multiple servers I make my own package and use that
[19:53:00] epoch: xris: you did?
[19:53:00] xris: I said buying boxes, not buying redhat.
[19:53:00] GreyFoxx: Plus there is the "do I trust the mofo who made this package to have made it to how I want it"
[19:53:00] xris: customers usually go for the free option...
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[19:53:00] GreyFoxx: The thing that freaks me out most, is the people who let their systems auto upgrade themselves.
[19:53:00] GreyFoxx: That's a hell of a lot of trust
[19:53:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: zacs: Im not sure what can be blocking it.
[19:54:00] epoch: xris: fair enough — but either way, they choose redhat because it's the most popular distro
[19:54:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: zacs: you have any suggestions
[19:55:00] GreyFoxx: man you would know I'd pick the slowest FTP server to use for an FTP install of OpenBSD *sigh* I should have downloaded it locally this morning
[19:55:00] epoch: GreyFoxx: that's really the *only* reason to compile your own stuff, but if your concern is trust, you best be auditing that code yourself before compiling
[19:55:00] zacs: bzcat_-|patch_p1: netstat --tcp -l -n | grep 6543
[19:56:00] zacs: does that produce any results?
[19:56:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
[19:56:00] epoch: GreyFoxx: cuz, what's the difference between downloading a precompiled binary and downloading the source and doing a ./configure; make; make install blindly?
[19:56:00] xris: epoch: could be. it also has the highest availability of pay-support.
[19:56:00] zacs: ok, the backend is listening
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[19:56:00] epoch: xris: right
[19:56:00] xris: epoch: same reason I chose it — the most free help I can get is for redhat.
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[19:57:00] GreyFoxx: epoch,. if you do it blindly then you are a fool. Personally I use configure --help, and often configure a "non standard" option. It's not about trusting that the source is good
[19:57:00] epoch: GreyFoxx: yeah see, there you go... too many fools around :)
[19:57:00] xris: I tried ubuntu on my mythbox for about an hour, but between the different package names and having added 2 new and not completely package-supported pieces of hardware (pvr-150 and air2pc), I had to give up and go back to something that would be faster to set up.
[19:57:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput. Thats whats in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[19:57:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: But thats old news I fixed that already.
[19:57:00] GreyFoxx: If I want it in an alternate location, if I want an option enabled that the packager didn't set, if I don't want to upgrade QT , and it's not REALLY a requirement but the guy who mad package X set the minimum version to one newer than what I have why should I have to deal with it?
[19:58:00] zacs: bzcat_-|patch_p1: something is blocking connections... i'm guessing iptables
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: I can understand why people use packages, and It's not like I never do
[19:58:00] xris: GreyFoxx: rpm handles alternate locations.
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: I just prefer the control freak aspect of compiling "most" of my own stuff
[19:58:00] zacs: xris: only if the people who built the spec file aren't morons
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: Obviously I don't sit around compiling vi manually
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[19:59:00] xris: zacs: actually, it's the people who write the software, since it may or not be linked to hard-coded pathnames.
[19:59:00] xris: but for web apps it's the only saving grace... (I hate packages for web apps)
[20:00:00] zacs: xris: spec files also need to support relocation, which most dont
[20:00:00] GreyFoxx: It all comes down to you, what you are comfortable with, your knowledge level, and which you are willing to use your time for. Deal with package hell when it comes about, or sacfrice the 60 seconds to run ./configure ; make. It's not like you have to sit there watching it compile. And there is damn few things you need RIGHT NOW
[20:00:00] GreyFoxx: Luckily there are lots of options for everyone to pick from :)
[20:01:00] xris: zacs: since when?
[20:01:00] CyberKnet: mixing packages and compile from source though is a recipie from hell every time.
[20:01:00] GreyFoxx: And frankly the trouble shooting skills I've gained from compiling stuff on my own when problems occur makes it easier for me to handle a problem during an install than it is for someone who has never compiled anything on their own
[20:01:00] CyberKnet: unless you are compiling from source packages.
[20:02:00] zacs: xris: because %pre and %post run shell scripts... and most shell scripts are stupid
[20:02:00] xris: ahhh, gotcha.
[20:02:00] xris: yeah, I don't even know how to deal with relocated stuff in the scripts.
[20:02:00] ** GreyFoxx takes a hammer to his switch, go faster! **
[20:03:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: hah
[20:03:00] GreyFoxx: It';s my ownfault. I knew they would want me to install this thing, I just didn't know it was gonna be today. I should have downloaded it this morning and I'd be done already
[20:03:00] zacs: xris: you just need to make everything relative, but most people don't
[20:04:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: take a sharpie and some whiteout. whiteout over the mbps in 1000mbps and replace it with gbps ... guaranteed to speed it up =)
[20:04:00] cygdev: After an upgrade to 0.18.1, I keep receiving "DVB#0 ERROR – Could not find dvb tuning parameters for transport 0" when starting the backend.
[20:04:00] GreyFoxx: heh, well the nic is a gigabit nic. The switch isn't , and I'm getting horrible speed from the site I'm installing from :)
[20:04:00] xris: zacs: relative to what, though? I could just as easily relocate /usr to /home/foobar/test/whatever/
[20:05:00] zacs: you use variables
[20:05:00] zacs: rpm then substitutes them
[20:05:00] cygdev: Can anyone help...
[20:06:00] zacs: is anyone running mythtv on an amd64 box with 64bit linux? i'm reluctant to redo this install until i know ivtv is stable
[20:06:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: Aah, in that case, add an entry in your hosts file for the proxy server ip, and label it SuperHotDamnFastProxyWithTerabitEthernet .... that may do the trick.
[20:06:00] GreyFoxx: I think not :)
[20:06:00] CyberKnet: *shrug*
[20:06:00] CyberKnet: it worked for me man.
[20:06:00] iggy: zacs: I stuck with 32bit on my box
[20:07:00] zacs: iggy: i've noticed substantial performance gains on other boxes i've upgraded to 64bit, that's why i'm wondering
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[20:17:00] cygdev: Can someone help with the "Could not find tuning .." error ?
[20:23:00] xris: so... anyone in here now know how to deal with myth on a 16:9 format display?
[20:23:00] xris: (esp. when the X res is actually 4:3, with non-square pixels)
[20:24:00] j-rod: run a 16:9 mode? :)
[20:24:00] xris: heh. yeah, need to track that down.
[20:26:00] j-rod: what model tv, fed via what input?
[20:26:00] xris: I think the tv has a list of that stuff. it's easier to just keep it at 1024x768 and let the tv handle it.
[20:27:00] xris: panasonic, via dvi -> vga adapter
[20:27:00] xris: (tv is vga)
[20:28:00] j-rod: does it support 720p?
[20:28:00] xris: yes
[20:28:00] j-rod: got a model number handy? might be able to whip up a little X config for it...
[20:29:00] Cardoe: kormoc: did it work?
[20:29:00] kormoc: no, hence my pm to you about it.
[20:30:00] xris: panasonic th-42phd7
[20:30:00] Cardoe: kormoc: yeah I see it now
[20:30:00] Cardoe: I didn't remove --proc-opts
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[20:30:00] Cardoe: still there.
[20:30:00] kormoc: Cardoe, both machines errored out at the same place
[20:30:00] xris: I have a list of supported resolutions, etc.
[20:30:00] kormoc: Cardoe, it wasn't in my ./configure line that I saw...
[20:30:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: zacs: I figured it out. I Had /etc/hosts set improperly.
[20:31:00] zacs: bzcat_-|patch_p1: awesome, works ok now?
[20:31:00] Cardoe: --enable-proc-opt"
[20:31:00] kormoc: Cardoe, ooh, but isn't it just --proc-opt?
[20:31:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Well I got over that hill. The tv thing still wouldnt start but i think Ill tinker with that later.
[20:32:00] xris: guess I could do 1366x768... as long as the vid card allows it.
[20:32:00] Cardoe: here's the issue
[20:32:00] kormoc: Cardoe, it also didn't detect my p4 or p3.
[20:32:00] Cardoe: ./configure: line 825: test: !=: unary operator expected
[20:32:00] kormoc: yeah, I got that too.
[20:32:00] Cardoe: There's an issue with the configure script.
[20:32:00] Cardoe: kormoc: well right now what it's doing is pulling out your march or mtune settings from CFLAGS
[20:32:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: zacs: hm mythfilldatabase still hangs tho.
[20:32:00] Cardoe: and telling the configure script that.
[20:32:00] Cardoe: kormoc: it looks like if we use that.. the bug in the configure script messes it up
[20:32:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: mythfrontend doesn't complain no more tho.
[20:32:00] ** kormoc nods. **
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[20:36:00] j-rod: xris, video card shouldn't have a problem with that
[20:36:00] j-rod: still poking at specs on it
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[20:37:00] j-rod: stuff I'm looking at now only mentions 4:3 modes though. Odd...
[20:37:00] johnl1: anyone here use LVM?
[20:37:00] xris: I have a big list of stuff in the manual. that's the highest 16:9 res, though.
[20:37:00] jams: xris...for panasonic I found powerstrip to produce the best results
[20:37:00] xris: powerstrip?
[20:37:00] jams: let me ask this..you have an xp/2000 machine?
[20:38:00] jams: powerstrip is a windows software that let's you tweak the display..it will also give you X modelines
[20:38:00] CyberKnet: xris: think "Girls! Girls! Girls!" hopped up on bawlz. PowerStrip.
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[20:40:00] xris: jams: I think this is a 3.4G p4, actually.. dunno.
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: I think he means windows xp or windows 2000 :)
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: something you can run powerstrip on :)
[20:41:00] jams: yes that's correct GreyFoxx :)
[20:42:00] xris: oh. no, it's fc3
[20:44:00] j-rod: I second the powerstrip suggestion (assuming I can't find any damned worthwhile specs on that tv — almost everything on it is in the UK, can't even find it on Panny's web site)
[20:44:00] jams: then I guess powerstip is not an option :)
[20:44:00] jams: I know I dinked with it for a week, then pulled the card and used my wifes machines to get a perfect working modeline is about 30 minutes
[20:44:00] xris: yeah, would have to track down a windows box. should be some laptops or something around, though.
[20:45:00] j-rod: you'll need something w/a similar video card, I believe
[20:45:00] jams: yeah you will
[20:46:00] xris: oh, then that's no good.
[20:46:00] xris: I'll just try this funky res and see what it does.
[20:46:00] jams: this a plasma?
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[20:48:00] jasoncohen: how do i use a directory for mythmusic that has spaces in its name?
[20:48:00] xris: jams: yes
[20:49:00] CyberKnet: jasoncohen: try '\ '
[20:49:00] jasoncohen: the directory is /mnt/windows/Documents and Settings/Jason/My Documents/My Music
[20:49:00] CyberKnet: i.e. My\ Documents
[20:49:00] jams: hmm I have a modeline..but it's for ED (848x480) not HD
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: ED ?
[20:50:00] CyberKnet: jams: how do you personally find EDTV vs SDTV?
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[20:50:00] jams: GreyFoxx, the step between SD and HD
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: What does it Stand for ?:)
[20:50:00] jams: Enhanced
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: Ahhh cool
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[20:50:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: It stands for "Step 2. ?????????"
[20:50:00] CyberKnet: =P"
[20:51:00] jams: CyberKnet, SD on ED is still SD quality
[20:51:00] GreyFoxx: A friend of mine uses 848x480 on his projector. It does 854x480 native but he couldn't get his PC to use a non divisible by 8 value :)
[20:51:00] ** CyberKnet wants for VHDTV and UHDTV, then finally the epitome of SHDTV whereby everyone learns that TV is "shd" (aka shit) **
[20:51:00] jams: but if you asking if i'm happy with it then yes I am
[20:52:00] jams: HD also looks great as do DVD's
[20:52:00] jams: Xterm is *ok*
[20:53:00] CyberKnet: Well, HDTVs are very cheap right now... but I think that I will have to wait for them to get cheaper still before I take advantage of them.
[20:53:00] CyberKnet: They're worth the price right now. Just can't spare the change ;)
[20:53:00] CyberKnet: a thousand bucks for 52" HD... insane.
[20:54:00] ** xris doesn't have room for anything bigger than his 27" **
[20:54:00] jams: CyberKnet, that's how I eneded up with ED :)
[20:54:00] CyberKnet: jams: because of a lack of pocket change? =)
[20:54:00] jams: pretty much
[20:54:00] CyberKnet: xris: I think my current center can support up to 38"... but not a projection unit.
[20:54:00] jams: got it 3 years ago..the price difference was much larger
[20:55:00] CyberKnet: the 27" wide screens dont "look" as big for 90% of my content, so I wouldn't want that. that's all my problem is.
[20:55:00] xris: CyberKnet: not bad. mine is some ikea shelving, and my 27" wega fits with like 1" to spare on each side.
[20:55:00] CyberKnet: xris: aha. Mine is sauder do-it-yourself gunk.
[20:55:00] xris: (and it's not widescreen)
[20:55:00] CyberKnet: when you get done, you're sauder about it.
[20:55:00] xris: heh
[20:55:00] CyberKnet: mine is not wide screen either.
[20:56:00] CyberKnet: But the next tv I get will probably be widescreen.
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[20:56:00] CyberKnet: may just have to get a new entertainment center at the same time =)
[20:56:00] CyberKnet: or make the *tv* the entertainment center.
[20:56:00] CyberKnet: I've never looked at those huge stands the tvs sit on. can you put stuff in there, or is tv circuit stuff already in there, or are they not accessible in there?
[20:57:00] CyberKnet: or am I off my rocker? =)
[20:58:00] GreyFoxx: I was working on my media room last night. now that I finally have time to fnish the thing I started in Jan
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[20:58:00] GreyFoxx: Scrapping off old wallpaper sucks
[20:59:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: Yessir it does.
[20:59:00] CyberKnet: no argument there.
[20:59:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: ever decide on your screen?
[20:59:00] GreyFoxx: I sit down there with my laptop playing something over the network while I do it, so at least I am not totally bored hehe
[20:59:00] GreyFoxx: Cyber. just going to play around with a couple of the paint forumlas and make my own
[21:00:00] CyberKnet: but not cloth, at any rate.
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: I'm gonna do up a board with several different formulas and take it to my friends place and see how it looks
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: no, only black velvet around the beveled border
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[21:01:00] CyberKnet: very nice.
[21:01:00] CyberKnet: photo++ when it's done =)
[21:01:00] GreyFoxx: and I have to pick the wall colours cause I want to start painting next week since I'll have the walls cleaned off and ready this weekend
[21:01:00] GreyFoxx: for sure
[21:01:00] CyberKnet: would be really great if you kept a photoblog of the events along the way. =)
[21:02:00] CyberKnet: what colors are best for walls in a home theatre?
[21:02:00] CyberKnet: like beiges, or ?
[21:02:00] GreyFoxx: dark or at least non reflective/non glossy paints
[21:02:00] jasoncohen: CyberKnet, i added /mnt/windows/Documents
[21:02:00] CyberKnet: jasoncohen: ?
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: A friend of mine did he entire room ceiling to floor black heh
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: but I wont be going there :)
[21:03:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: hmmm... that would definitely be dark with the lights out.
[21:03:00] jasoncohen: CyberKnet, i added /mnt/windows/Documents\ and\ Settings/Jason/My\ Music
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: Yeah,
[21:03:00] CyberKnet: jasoncohen: and it worked?
[21:03:00] jasoncohen: nope- it got rid of the "\'s"
[21:03:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I'm thinking a disco ball, and black lights
[21:04:00] CyberKnet: jasoncohen: and did it work with the spaces removed?
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: But I don't want the room to be that dark, so I am not sure. Maybe a beige, also considering a purpley colour with white trim
[21:04:00] jasoncohen: CyberKnet, hmm- let me try that
[21:04:00] CyberKnet: not spaces, did it work with the slashes removed
[21:04:00] CyberKnet: my bad.
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: drop ceiling with pop lights and fake hardwood laminiate stuff for the floor
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: pot lights
[21:04:00] CyberKnet: pop lights =)
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[21:05:00] CyberKnet: I see transparent aluminum cans (+1 Startrek), with led-lit ice cubes in them.
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: I think not :)
[21:06:00] jasoncohen: CyberKnet, no- it doesn't work with the slashes removed
[21:06:00] jasoncohen: i also tried with parentheses around the directory
[21:06:00] CyberKnet: jasoncohen: add a symlink in mnt to windows\...
[21:06:00] CyberKnet: where ... is the rest of your path
[21:06:00] CyberKnet: jasoncohen: that will get rid of the spaces, and thus your problem.
[21:07:00] CyberKnet: good deal?
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[21:07:00] jasoncohen: yeah, thanks
[21:09:00] CyberKnet: hth
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[21:11:00] jasoncohen: CyberKnet, ln -s /mnt/windows/Documents\ and\ Settings/Jason/My\ Documents/My\ Music\ CDs/ /mnt/music
[21:11:00] jasoncohen: now it's imiporting..thanks
[21:11:00] jasoncohen: importing even
[21:11:00] CyberKnet: happy to help
[21:11:00] CyberKnet: jasoncohen: maybe I'll need some help from you some day =)
[21:12:00] jasoncohen: heh, hopefully i'll be able to help
[21:12:00] CyberKnet: I'm sure you will.
[21:12:00] jasoncohen: lol, having MythTV on a TV is great :)
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[21:14:00] CyberKnet: heh =)
[21:15:00] pmowry: HI, I've been using a PVR-350 with Basic cable for a while, but now I've moved and will be getting directTV instead. I have no idea what receiver I'll be gitting (wife did the ordering). Can anyone point my to a how-to or a good thread on a PVR-x50 and directtv? My use of google is failing miserably.
[21:17:00] zacs: pmowry: shouldn't be any different except you'll use s/video for input
[21:17:00] zacs: you'll need an ir blaster for tuning though
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[21:20:00] pmowry: I'm hoping the box will allow a serial connection for tuning, I'll find out tuesday. I may go ahead and buy/order and ir blaster ahead of time. worst case I have an extra toy to play with.
[21:20:00] sunilonln: what's the command to see the ivtv startup log?
[21:21:00] pmowry: Mine just spits it out when ivtv loads. I grep dmesg for ivtv after the fact to see some things.
[21:21:00] sunilonln: ok
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[21:22:00] sunilonln: i upgraded my kernel and tuner is being detected as unkown again
[21:23:00] pmowry: really, I've been lucky with the latest 0.2.0rc drivers, never had to patch the kernel tuner.
[21:24:00] sunilonln: i didn't either
[21:24:00] j-rod: sunilonln, what kernel?
[21:24:00] sunilonln: umm
[21:25:00] sunilonln: 2.6.11–1.27_FC3
[21:25:00] j-rod: apt-get install video4linux-kmdl-2.6.11–1.27_FC3
[21:25:00] sunilonln: ok
[21:25:00] j-rod: or 'alias tuner tuner-ivtv' in modprobe.conf
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[21:26:00] zacs: pmowry: i'm really happy with the blasters i got from irblaster.info
[21:27:00] sunilonln: ok, i just installed the package, and that line was already in modprobe.conf
[21:27:00] ** sunilonln is rebooting **
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[21:30:00] sunilonln: Beirdo: is there an easy way to search your channel logs?
[21:30:00] Super_Cat_Frog: hi – has anything been committed recently that requires a make distclean? )lately, as in last month
[21:30:00] pmowry: yes,
[21:30:00] pmowry: as recently as a few days ago.
[21:30:00] Super_Cat_Frog: thanks pmowry
[21:31:00] pmowry: NO problem I was just looking as the commit logs.
[21:32:00] Super_Cat_Frog: hmm, thats a good sign – make distclean failed (error 5)
[21:33:00] Super_Cat_Frog: *not a good sign
[21:34:00] pmowry: kinda scary.
[21:34:00] sunilonln: j-rod: same thing happened .. i'll post the ivtv init stuff and modprobe on pastebin.ca
[21:34:00] j-rod: k
[21:35:00] pmowry: bleh, my vmware license expired. I dont' have a playbox anymore :(
[21:36:00] pmowry: guess I'll have to wait until I get home to try latest cvs.
[21:36:00] sunilonln: http://pastebin.ca/12811 >> post+comment
[21:37:00] bigslam: brb
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[21:37:00] j-rod: ah, its not the tuner module that is the problem, its the tveeprom module
[21:38:00] Super_Cat_Frog: argh! people are so retarded – why are people cheering for people in big brother, for people they probably dont know the name of.
[21:38:00] Super_Cat_Frog: end of rant
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[21:38:00] pmowry: hehe
[21:38:00] j-rod: sunilonln, were you running a 0.3.x ivtv build before the kernel upgrade?
[21:39:00] sunilonln: i don't remember
[21:39:00] sunilonln: 1 sec
[21:39:00] j-rod: I think you'll need to to get tveeprom support for that card
[21:39:00] j-rod: I'm not sure if the upstream tveeprom got that in or not and v4l is a mess right now...
[21:39:00] sunilonln: yes, i was running 0.3.4
[21:40:00] sunilonln: http://pastebin.ca/11374 was my old output last time you were helping me
[21:44:00] j-rod: I'd suggest bumping to 0.3.x again
[21:44:00] sunilonln: ok / how do i set it to the testing repository?
[21:45:00] sunilonln: nvm
[21:46:00] pmowry: zacs: Thanks, $12 is better than me burning my fingers making my own.
[21:47:00] zacs: pmowry: he's a myth user apparently... so more power to him
[21:48:00] Super_Cat_Frog: if i didn't do make uninstall first, will mythtv break – i was using cvs from about a month ago, im now compiling from cvs
[21:48:00] Super_Cat_Frog: (todays cvs)
[21:48:00] pmowry: The directTV install is Tuesday Morning, I'm on a plane to New Hampshire that night. So I better have everything working that afternoon so the family doesn't kill me whn I get back.
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[21:49:00] pmowry: I've always installed over the current running version, except when I formatted the box for other reasons. Never had a problem.
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[21:53:00] jasoncohen: can standard cathode ray TVs get a burn in effect? Should i turn off the TV if i'm going to be gone for more than 15 minutes or so?
[21:54:00] sunilonln: jasoncohen: i don't think so
[21:54:00] sunilonln: the game console warnings always used to be for projection TVs
[21:54:00] jasoncohen: ok
[21:55:00] jasoncohen: i know plasma screens also have that problem
[21:55:00] CyberKnet: my crt monitor can definitely suffer from burn in
[21:56:00] pmowry: Dosn't mythtv have code to disable screensavers during playback/livetv but turn it back on when idle at the menus? Mine is never on a menu very long. Something is always playing for background noise.
[21:56:00] CyberKnet: excite the same phosphors over and over, and they will get burned out quicker than the others.
[21:56:00] xris: jams: btw, "X -configure" works great for grabbing modelines in linux.
[21:56:00] CyberKnet: components have a lifetime. even the phosphors in monitors.
[21:56:00] jasoncohen: pmowry, that might be the case as i saw a black screensaver come on when i was sitting in a menu
[21:56:00] jasoncohen: what about in mythmusic where there's a visualization going?
[21:57:00] CyberKnet: jasoncohen: Use the source, luke.
[21:57:00] CyberKnet: *grin*
[21:59:00] sunilonln: wow, video quality is _perfect_ now (this is the first time i'm using it after upgrading the video card)
[22:00:00] sunilonln: sound is still hiccuping
[22:00:00] jasoncohen: sunilonln, what video card?
[22:00:00] sunilonln: cheap ati 9200se with svideo out
[22:01:00] sunilonln: now to fix this sound issue.. i have no idea where to start
[22:03:00] riksta: sunilonln: turn on agressive audio buffering
[22:03:00] jasoncohen: sunilonln, what's the sound problem and what tv card are you using?
[22:04:00] jasoncohen: sunilonln, on my bttv i ALWAYS had sound problems using the patch cable method. Btaudio however works great.
[22:04:00] sunilonln: tvcard is is pvr-150
[22:04:00] jasoncohen: ah, i have a pvr250 MCE..and sound/video "just work"
[22:04:00] sunilonln: riksta: where do i set aggressive audio buffering?
[22:04:00] jasoncohen: i think that's in general settings
[22:04:00] riksta: think it's in general, in frontend settings
[22:05:00] sunilonln: hmm, don't see it
[22:06:00] jasoncohen: should be a page with audio settings
[22:06:00] sunilonln: found it
[22:06:00] jasoncohen: it'll ask your default audio device and mixer device. the setting is at the top of the page
[22:06:00] sunilonln: i was at setup>tv>general
[22:06:00] jasoncohen: ah
[22:07:00] sunilonln: nope, didn't seem to help
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[22:11:00] sunilonln: having aggressive audio buffering on with internal volume off seems to help a bit, but it's still pretty bad
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[22:14:00] LostSole: Got a probably-not-so-quick question: trying to compile myth .18 from source, on an AMD64 Ubuntu install. I get an error that says "big/little test failed. Error, no memalign() but sse enabled...." when I run ./configure. Any suggestions?
[22:16:00] pmowry: I saw several ./configure changes in the 18.1 branch commit logs. are you using .18 or .18.1
[22:17:00] pmowry: Dont remember if any were amd64 specific.
[22:17:00] LostSole: the source is dated May 10, so I'm guessing it's probably only .18.
[22:19:00] pmowry: 18.1 was released on May 16th, besides that suggestion I'm useless. It's available on the mythtv.org webpage so you don't have to pull from cvs.
[22:22:00] LostSole: pmowry: I was trying to do an "apt-get -b source" thing... ah well. :)
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[22:23:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Im using alsa drivers how do i specify that to the backend?
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[22:25:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: alsa:default or something..
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[22:29:00] pmowry: bzcat_-|patch_p1: as far as I know mythtv only has alsa support for playback.
[22:29:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: pmowry: how do I specify that in the frontend
[22:29:00] pmowry: I think there was a recent CVS commit for alsa support in the backend, but I cant find it.
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[22:32:00] pmowry: I found this in the archives: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . kend;#131036
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[22:33:00] pmowry: I'm not using alsa yet. I will be if I rebuild next weekend.
[22:33:00] pmowry: only because my box is not dedicated to mythtv.
[22:36:00] Dibblah: Ugh. I hate it. I've just won WAF points by getting Myth to tape Big Brother.
[22:38:00] pmowry: hehe, I had to buy a new drive to record soaps and hold the entire survivor and american idol seasons so she could see how people changed from the beginnig.
[22:39:00] pmowry: 300 gigs I will never see.
[22:39:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: I keep getting unable to create audio output
[22:40:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: mythfrontend is setup to use /dev/dsp
[22:41:00] j-rod: using kde? kill arts
[22:42:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: No Im not using kde
[22:42:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: nor arts
[22:42:00] j-rod: arts was screwing w/sound here earlier today
[22:42:00] j-rod: so what de are you using?
[22:43:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: I remember I had to specify something like alsa/default 4x or something like that before
[22:43:00] j-rod: and does it have a sound manager mucking with things?
[22:43:00] j-rod: ALSA:default
[22:43:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: let me try that
[22:43:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: is that for both frontend and backend?
[22:43:00] j-rod: but /dev/dsp should work fine too, if you're loading oss-compat modules
[22:43:00] j-rod: frontend
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[22:44:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: ok now its complaining about /dev/mixer
[22:44:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: thats its not there
[22:45:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: let me check its permissions
[22:45:00] j-rod: might not be there on a udev system w/no oss-compat modules loaded
[22:46:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: its there its actually a symlink to /dev/sound/mixer
[22:47:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: But I just changed the frontend setting to use /dev/sound/mixer and same error
[22:47:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: Im using udev but the node is there.
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[22:47:00] j-rod: and permssions are okay?
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[22:47:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: yeah
[22:48:00] j-rod: you can try just "mixer" in there to use native alsa
[22:48:00] monkeyBox: Does anyone know how to make XINE play using 5.1 sound passthrough, using cmdline?
[22:48:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: k
[22:48:00] j-rod: but other than that, I'm fresh out of ideas...
[22:48:00] j-rod: monkeyBox, what do you mean "using cmdline"? Like w/a cli switch?
[22:48:00] monkeyBox: j-rod: yes
[22:49:00] j-rod: I just used the xine prefs ui to set hw passthru
[22:49:00] j-rod: and from there on out, it just works
[22:49:00] monkeyBox: j-rod: Is that stored in a config file somewhere?
[22:49:00] j-rod: and non-ac3 audio falls back to pcm
[22:49:00] j-rod: yes
[22:50:00] monkeyBox: hmm.. well, I have a scaled down xine (for minimyth) and it's lacking xine-ui :-( I'll check it out on my main box and see if I can figure out what the config setting is. thanks
[22:50:00] j-rod: one sec
[22:51:00] j-rod: for my audigy, my ~/.xine/config file contains
[22:51:00] j-rod: audio.device.alsa_passthrough_device:spdif
[22:52:00] j-rod: the spdif alsa device may not exist on your system though
[22:53:00] j-rod: I believe its somewhat dependent on your .asoundrc file
[22:55:00] monkeyBox: j-rod: hmm.. the only thing I see in the xine config screen is "speaker arrangement".. Is that it?
[22:56:00] j-rod: didn't see anything about speaker arrangement in mine, but I wasn't looking
[22:56:00] j-rod: but now that I think about it, I think that is under the speaker setup section of the config ui
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[23:01:00] CyberKnet: woo. almost finished work for the day
[23:01:00] CyberKnet: and not too late after knock off time
[23:01:00] CyberKnet: amazing.
[23:01:00] CyberKnet: (esp considering I was out sick for the two days previous)
[23:03:00] CyberKnet: later folks
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[23:13:00] jd86: Does the computer running mythbackend have to have alsa/oss working?
[23:14:00] GeckoFiend: jd86 nope
[23:14:00] GeckoFiend: unless of course you're using your soundcard to record audio
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[23:15:00] jd86: GeckoFiend: how do i set what device to use for sound on the frontend machine? i have a happague card and the audio is _not_ working, do i have to use some jumper cable from tv card to sound? i didnt think so but maybe..?
[23:17:00] jd86: is there a way of getting it to use alsa?
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[23:18:00] jasoncohen: jd86, what tvcard do you have? if you have a bttv card you either have to use a patch cable and record off your soundcard's line-in which can have poor sound quality, or if your lucky and your card supports it you can use the digital audio off the card using the btaudio module.
[23:18:00] jd86: jasoncohen: ok how do i find out what card i have?
[23:18:00] jd86: its a bttv
[23:19:00] jasoncohen: jd86, well, did you purchase it?
[23:19:00] jd86: jasoncohen: i got it off of a friend
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[23:19:00] kormoc: jd86> how do i set what device to use for sound on the frontend machine? i have a happague card
[23:19:00] jasoncohen: it's hard to say whether it has btaudio support. The best way is to try and find out. modprobe btaudio and see if you get sound.
[23:19:00] kormoc: arn't all happague's mpeg cards?
[23:19:00] jd86: kormoc: dont ask me, my audio doesn't work
[23:19:00] jasoncohen: it usually creates a digital and an analog device. try both
[23:19:00] kormoc: jd86, I was quoting you...
[23:19:00] jd86: oh
[23:20:00] jasoncohen: kormoc, no. i have a happauge bttv
[23:20:00] kormoc: huh, fair nuff
[23:20:00] jd86: where do i get the btaudio?
[23:20:00] jasoncohen: wait...so you have a hauppauge card?
[23:20:00] jasoncohen: then you likely have btaudio support which is great
[23:20:00] jasoncohen: as the patch cable method sucks
[23:20:00] jd86: 0000:01:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
[23:20:00] jasoncohen: jd86, what distro are you using?
[23:21:00] jd86: jasoncohen: gentoo
[23:21:00] jasoncohen: not sure. on debian it already had support in the kernel as a module. i just did modprobe btaudio
[23:21:00] jasoncohen: what happens when you do modprobe btaudio?
[23:21:00] jd86: hrm
[23:22:00] jd86: not found
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[23:23:00] jd86: <M> BT848 Video For Linux thats the module i need fore the bt878 that i have right?
[23:23:00] jasoncohen: jd86, you might have to rebuild your kernel with support for btaudio
[23:23:00] jd86: jasoncohen: yea but i cant find it in menuconfig
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[23:24:00] jasoncohen: not sure- that's why i didn't use FC3
[23:25:00] jd86: whos using FC3?
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[23:29:00] jd86: hmm
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[23:37:00] jd86: i have a btaudio now
[23:37:00] jd86: still dont work
[23:38:00] kormoc: are you capturing the right audio device?
[23:41:00] KraMer: 2
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[23:43:00] jd86: kormoc: i dont know ...
[23:43:00] kormoc: well, you are gonna have to figure that out.
[23:46:00] gnarface: mwahhaha
[23:46:00] gnarface: happy friday everyone!
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[23:55:00] Squidy: hi all... im trying to configure a capture card pixelview playtv mpeg2 pv-m4900 in a slackware-cur system with kernel 2.4.30... but when i try modprobe bttv i receive this -> "bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA7432 @ 0x8a... not found" in dmesg output..
[23:55:00] Squidy: can samebody help me?
[23:55:00] kormoc: what's wrong with that?
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[23:55:00] kormoc: you don't have a TDA7432
[23:56:00] jd86: this thing is not working...
[23:56:00] Squidy: kormoc, but the card dont working
[23:56:00] bigslam: hmm if i compiled something on and AMD Duron machine would i have to recompile it for amd 64bit machine or can i join change the hd out and it will work the same?
[23:57:00] kormoc: Squidy, http://www.spinics.net/lists/vfl/msg14875.html
[23:57:00] kormoc: Squidy, just cause something isn't found doesn't mean that's the problem.
[23:58:00] kormoc: Squidy, you also have to consider that your card just might not be supported and will never work unless you code a fix.
[23:59:00] Squidy: dont have support? :(
[23:59:00] kormoc: it very well might not. I don't know, I'm just telling you that that's how it might be.

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