| Tuesday, May 24th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | mchou: | bomba: bah. |
| [00:00:00] | mchou: | you can't pay me enough to have me watch MTV. |
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| [00:23:00] | GeckoFiend: | mchou chances are there's things you watch you couldn't pay someone else to watch... |
| [00:23:00] | BMOC: | what causes a show i tried to record to say RIP and not record? |
| [00:23:00] | BMOC: | it even lists them in my recordings, but they are not there |
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| [00:24:00] | BMOC: | man, it just didn't record anything at all. it says it recorded, but you can't hit enter on the recording, nor are any files there |
| [00:25:00] | GeckoFiend: | BMOC crappy catpure drivers/hardware |
| [00:25:00] | kormoc: | I had it happen a few times |
| [00:25:00] | BMOC: | well, i recorded something last night |
| [00:25:00] | kormoc: | I restarted the backend and it never happened again |
| [00:26:00] | BMOC: | Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/mnt/store//ringbuf1.nuv |
| [00:26:00] | BMOC: | err, i think i had deleted that:) |
| [00:27:00] | GeckoFiend: | rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/mnt/store//ringbuf1.nuv is the live tv ring buffer and has nothign to do with recordings |
| [00:27:00] | GeckoFiend: | and you sure as hell shouldn;t be deletign files out from under myth :-p |
| [00:27:00] | BMOC: | well, i can't watch livetv now |
| [00:27:00] | BMOC: | hmm, since the upgrade |
| [00:27:00] | BMOC: | of some myth items |
| [00:28:00] | mchou: | GeckoFiend: I found an interesting stat though: If you watch CSI chances are your are more likely to be republican :) |
| [00:28:00] | kormoc: | BMOC, restart the backend... |
| [00:28:00] | BMOC: | i did, a few times |
| [00:29:00] | xris: | mchou: maybe that explains why I don't like that show. |
| [00:29:00] | mchou: | xris: hehe |
| [00:29:00] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [00:29:00] | mchou: | GeckoFiend: chances are too if you watch mtv you're more likely to be democrat :) |
| [00:29:00] | bomba: | hah |
| [00:30:00] | Beirdo: | I watch that show and am not republican, although I might be if I had the misfortune of being American |
| [00:30:00] | mchou: | I must be screwed up since I dont watch MTV but I do CSI and I'm democrat :) |
| [00:30:00] | Beirdo: | but you're in California. everyone's screwed up there |
| [00:30:00] | BMOC: | ah, i see |
| [00:31:00] | BMOC: | it's from upgrading the module for ivtv |
| [00:31:00] | ** xris doesn't watch either, and is neither democrat nor republican. ** | |
| [00:31:00] | Beirdo: | pinko :) |
| [00:31:00] | BMOC: | xris: aren'tyou a socialist? |
| [00:31:00] | mchou: | xris: lol, that explains it :) |
| [00:31:00] | ** SarahEmm watches CSI but not MYV.. ** | |
| [00:32:00] | xris: | socialist tendencies... but officially I'd be Green if I could actually put that on my registration card in WA. |
| [00:32:00] | ** Beirdo considered voting for the communist party to really throw away the vote ** | |
| [00:32:00] | BMOC: | hmm, i wonder why i have to manually load the modules |
| [00:32:00] | Beirdo: | the conservatives weren't gonna win, so why not? |
| [00:32:00] | ** kormoc watches CSI, doesn't watch MTV, Green politicaly, and geek by nature. ** | |
| [00:32:00] | ** kormoc is in trouble. ** | |
| [00:33:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:33:00] | Beirdo: | you'll be a pinko soon |
| [00:33:00] | ** xris vouches for the "geek" part — kormoc seems to own every t-shirt thinkgeek sells. ** | |
| [00:33:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [00:33:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:34:00] | Beirdo: | I don't think you can live in the PNW without becoming a tree-hugger |
| [00:34:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: nah, look at all them ex-loggers :) |
| [00:34:00] | Beirdo: | they don't count |
| [00:34:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: lol. They sure think they do :) |
| [00:35:00] | kormoc: | but I lived in the heart land of the amish and was raised Mennonite, and yet I was a tree hugger there too... |
| [00:35:00] | mchou: | kormoc: you from penn dutch country? |
| [00:35:00] | Beirdo: | well, a certain amount of tree-hugging is good |
| [00:36:00] | Beirdo: | some people take it a wee bit far though |
| [00:36:00] | kormoc: | yuppies |
| [00:36:00] | ** kormoc was born and rased in Lancaster County, PA ** | |
| [00:36:00] | Beirdo: | greenpeace... |
| [00:37:00] | BMOC: | ooo, the tuner module is nto working |
| [00:37:00] | Beirdo: | let's save one part of the planet by being dumbasses and potentially causing disasters |
| [00:37:00] | BMOC: | guess i'll have to go back to ivtv 3.04x |
| [00:37:00] | Beirdo: | and even worse are the Sea Shepherd idiots |
| [00:37:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: hmm?? what are you referring to? |
| [00:37:00] | BMOC: | Beirdo: i thought you were a member of greenpeace? |
| [00:37:00] | Beirdo: | let's save a couple dolphins by trying to kill fishermen |
| [00:37:00] | BMOC: | you don't chase boats?:) |
| [00:38:00] | xris: | Beirdo is a conservative. |
| [00:38:00] | BMOC: | the DoD actually considers greenpeace a terrorist organization. |
| [00:38:00] | xris: | he just happens to be a smart one. |
| [00:38:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: the times they've blocked outflow pipes from factories to stop pollution... and almost blew up the plant. |
| [00:38:00] | xris: | BMOC: that's because many of them ARE. |
| [00:38:00] | BMOC: | Beirdo: what's up with the beating baby seals in canada |
| [00:38:00] | BMOC: | that's not even allowed here. |
| [00:39:00] | Beirdo: | that has nothing to do with anything |
| [00:39:00] | ** kormoc raises a eyebrow ** | |
| [00:39:00] | BMOC: | it sure does |
| [00:39:00] | Beirdo: | once Americans stop wanting the fur coats made with their pelts, that will stop |
| [00:39:00] | rjune: | BMOC: and greenpeace isn't? |
| [00:39:00] | kormoc: | so some random people club seals in the west side of canada, so you'll blow up a factory in texas? |
| [00:39:00] | kormoc: | that'll get them to stop! |
| [00:39:00] | Beirdo: | and it's in the east of Canada |
| [00:39:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:39:00] | BMOC: | kormoc it's legal for people to beat baby seals to death in canada, it's not legal to blow up a factory in texas |
| [00:39:00] | Beirdo: | north-east to be precise |
| [00:39:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: American's aren't the only ones that want fur coats |
| [00:39:00] | Beirdo: | BMOC: it is NOT legal |
| [00:40:00] | Beirdo: | how about you know what you are talking about first |
| [00:40:00] | BMOC: | Beirdo: whaaaaaaaaaaat? |
| [00:40:00] | BMOC: | it sure is, at least in certain circumstances |
| [00:40:00] | Beirdo: | no it isn't |
| [00:40:00] | Beirdo: | that was outlawed decades ago |
| [00:40:00] | BMOC: | i think it may be seasonal, or occasional, or something, but i know the govt has sanctioned it |
| [00:40:00] | rjune: | not even defending yourself against those vicious baby seals? |
| [00:40:00] | kormoc: | there might be population controls put into place, but I'm damn sure they wouldn't involved a club. |
| [00:40:00] | Beirdo: | in the 80s, retard |
| [00:41:00] | BMOC: | kormoc they did a story here a little while ago showing recent video |
| [00:41:00] | BMOC: | and it was clubs |
| [00:41:00] | BMOC: | Stop the killing of seals in Canada Petition |
| [00:41:00] | Beirdo: | there are sanctioned hunts, but not with clubs, not that it matters anyways |
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| [00:41:00] | BMOC: | haha |
| [00:41:00] | BMOC: | google for canada beat baby seals club |
| [00:41:00] | kormoc: | so a LA news company knows more about canadan politics then the canadans? |
| [00:41:00] | BMOC: | s |
| [00:41:00] | rjune: | how did this become the topic? |
| [00:41:00] | BMOC: | kormoc LA? |
| [00:41:00] | Beirdo: | population control can be done by any means, what difference does it make in the end? |
| [00:42:00] | mchou: | haha |
| [00:42:00] | Beirdo: | it's not common practice, and it's not legal or condoned to beat seals to deat |
| [00:42:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: hmm, you sound like a nazi :) |
| [00:42:00] | Beirdo: | death... |
| [00:42:00] | kormoc: | BMOC, your host is LA, usually stands for Los Angelus or however it's speleld |
| [00:42:00] | Beirdo: | our cruelty towards animals laws are stricter than the US' |
| [00:42:00] | BMOC: | actually louisiana, but it's national news:) |
| [00:42:00] | Beirdo: | but if you are gonna shoot the seal anyways... |
| [00:43:00] | Beirdo: | in the end, what IS the difference? |
| [00:43:00] | Beirdo: | getting caught on film is the only difference |
| [00:43:00] | BMOC: | it's just more seen as inconsistent |
| [00:43:00] | GeckoFiend: | BMOC yes becuase if it's on the internet it MUST be true |
| [00:43:00] | BMOC: | GeckoFiend: it's called a joke |
| [00:43:00] | ** GeckoFiend visits http://www.petsorfood.com and makes his order ** | |
| [00:43:00] | BMOC: | and every major news source has an internet site |
| [00:44:00] | Beirdo: | if baby seals weren't cute, nobody'd give a shit |
| [00:44:00] | BMOC: | haha |
| [00:44:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: inddeed we eat baby cows, and that's ok |
| [00:44:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [00:44:00] | kormoc: | baby sheep too |
| [00:44:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [00:44:00] | kormoc: | Mmm... Lamb... |
| [00:44:00] | kormoc: | Baby Fish... |
| [00:45:00] | kormoc: | Mmm... Cavaior... |
| [00:45:00] | Beirdo: | in the end, there's no real difference. |
| [00:45:00] | kormoc: | Mmm... Roe... |
| [00:45:00] | kormoc: | Young Chickens, factory farmed. |
| [00:45:00] | Beirdo: | if you are against the slaughter of innocent animals, you'd damn well better be a vegan, or I have no respect for your silliness |
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| [00:45:00] | kormoc: | Mmm... So small of a cage the meat is so tender cause the damn thing can't sit down... |
| [00:46:00] | Heph: | I only eat guilty animals |
| [00:46:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [00:46:00] | Beirdo: | that's worse than the one or two seals that get brained in a year |
| [00:47:00] | GeckoFiend: | kormoc heh I remember when I was a teenager i convinced one of my mothers cowrokers they grew bonless chickens in special cages so that folks could get bonless chicken breasts |
| [00:47:00] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [00:47:00] | ** kormoc laughs. ** | |
| [00:47:00] | Beirdo: | good one :) |
| [00:47:00] | rjune: | hahahahas |
| [00:47:00] | Beirdo: | people can be so gullible |
| [00:47:00] | kormoc: | I once convinced a girl that tofu was just specially grown boneless, fatless chicken |
| [00:47:00] | GeckoFiend: | heh |
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| [00:47:00] | mchou: | kormoc: did you sleep w/ her afterwards? :) |
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| [00:48:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you are a bastard :) |
| [00:48:00] | kormoc: | she beleived it till she went to buy some :) |
| [00:48:00] | kormoc: | mchou, that'd be a no :P |
| [00:48:00] | kormoc: | she ate tofu for like a month, went to the store, saw it said soy on it, and punched me the next day :P |
| [00:48:00] | Beirdo: | you shouldn't treat your sister like that |
| [00:48:00] | kormoc: | nah, my sis would have been smarter, sadly. |
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| [00:49:00] | kormoc: | this girl was the most blond of the blond |
| [00:49:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:49:00] | rjune: | kormoc: those are the most fun in bed though. |
| [00:49:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:49:00] | rjune: | go ahead rub it in, it's good for your skin |
| [00:49:00] | mchou: | kormoc: she wasnt too blonde cause she actually went thru the effort to prove you wrong :) |
| [00:49:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure a redhead would disagree, rjune |
| [00:50:00] | mchou: | nah, reds are smarter than blondes, generally speaking :) |
| [00:50:00] | Beirdo: | I meant about most fun in bed. heh |
| [00:50:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: i take it you're redheaded? |
| [00:50:00] | Beirdo: | uh, no |
| [00:50:00] | ** xris wonders how much effort it would be to extract the mediawiki parsing code. ** | |
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| [00:51:00] | Beirdo: | xris: likely more than it's worth |
| [00:51:00] | xris: | Beirdo: dunno. it has a lot of cool stuff in it. |
| [00:51:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:53:00] | mchou: | anyone here seen "Sin City?" |
| [00:53:00] | xris: | except for some silly stuff like a routine to remove html comments that uses substr and counting instead of regex. |
| [00:53:00] | xris: | mchou: I have |
| [00:53:00] | mchou: | xris: is it any good? |
| [00:53:00] | mchou: | worth $10? |
| [00:54:00] | xris: | it was entertaining. the cinematography was unique. |
| [00:58:00] | GotD0t: | mchou: where are oyu that movies cost $10? |
| [00:58:00] | mchou: | San Francisco Bay area. |
| [00:58:00] | mchou: | it's $9.50, but close enough to $10. |
| [00:59:00] | GotD0t: | oh that'll do it |
| [00:59:00] | GotD0t: | dont qualify for any special rates? |
| [00:59:00] | GotD0t: | not a student? |
| [00:59:00] | mchou: | only matinees. |
| [00:59:00] | mchou: | my student days are long over :) |
| [00:59:00] | GotD0t: | well if you can make your hair sort of greyish you can pose as a senior |
| [00:59:00] | GotD0t: | they cant ask for ID if you tell them you're a senior |
| [00:59:00] | GotD0t: | its like some weird law |
| [01:00:00] | rjune: | what? |
| [01:00:00] | Beirdo: | that's a pile of crap |
| [01:00:00] | mchou: | GotD0t: where do you live that movies dont cost $10?? |
| [01:00:00] | GotD0t: | miami |
| [01:01:00] | mchou: | GotD0t: how much they cost in miami? |
| [01:01:00] | GotD0t: | an adult ticket is like 8 or 9 i think... and i get mine for 7 with a student id |
| [01:01:00] | GotD0t: | dont have a university ID somewhere? they usually dont have expirationd ates |
| [01:01:00] | mchou: | lol. $9 is close enough to $10 |
| [01:01:00] | GotD0t: | i think they're 8 |
| [01:01:00] | kormoc: | in pa it was $5.50 daytime, $7.50 night |
| [01:02:00] | GotD0t: | because i dont think they give like 2$ discount for students |
| [01:02:00] | rjune: | it's 8.50 around me |
| [01:02:00] | rjune: | 'cept @ the drive in, it's only 7 there |
| [01:02:00] | GotD0t: | well 8.50 is close to 9, which is close to 10 ;-) |
| [01:02:00] | GotD0t: | you have drive ins? |
| [01:02:00] | GotD0t: | haha |
| [01:02:00] | mchou: | Even in Protland it was $9. |
| [01:02:00] | GotD0t: | the last one around here got torn down ages ago |
| [01:02:00] | mchou: | Portland* |
| [01:03:00] | rjune: | yeah we have three drive ins within 75 miles of my house |
| [01:03:00] | mchou: | and in Portland you had to sit thru commercials, the bastards. |
| [01:03:00] | mchou: | not previews, COMMERCIALS. |
| [01:03:00] | kormoc: | that's how it is everywhere |
| [01:03:00] | GotD0t: | yea |
| [01:04:00] | mchou: | bullshit, not in bay area. |
| [01:04:00] | mchou: | we dont stand for that crap :) |
| [01:04:00] | rjune: | mchou: they don't play commercials before the movie there? |
| [01:04:00] | mchou: | nope. |
| [01:04:00] | mchou: | cuase ppl would go elsewhere. |
| [01:05:00] | ** kormoc knows that Regal in pa, AMC in Seattle, Vsomethingsomething in Vancouver, Regal in Orlando, and some place in St. Lewis all play commercials before the previews. ** | |
| [01:05:00] | rjune: | it's only a matter of time then |
| [01:05:00] | rjune: | it'll happen, EVERYHWERE |
| [01:05:00] | mchou: | rjune: trust me, they tried b4. |
| [01:05:00] | rjune: | mchou: and if they dropped the prices would you go? |
| [01:05:00] | mchou: | and ppl never patronized the theatre again. |
| [01:05:00] | kormoc: | and when every theater does it? where do you go? home? |
| [01:05:00] | rjune: | $8 instead of $10? |
| [01:06:00] | rjune: | or even $6.50 – $7 ? |
| [01:06:00] | mchou: | kormoc: trust me, some pp prefer the home thetre experience. My neigbor has a tv thas 10 ft long. |
| [01:06:00] | mchou: | that's |
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| [01:06:00] | rjune: | I wanna get a projector. |
| [01:06:00] | kormoc: | sure, but how often does he goes out to the movies? so what money did they lose from him |
| [01:07:00] | kormoc: | we're talking the normal person who doesn't perfer the home experience |
| [01:07:00] | rjune: | we only go to the drive in anymore. |
| [01:07:00] | mchou: | kormoc: the point is ppl prefer to stay at home instead of going to movie theatre in Bay area :) |
| [01:07:00] | kormoc: | honestly, I'm not too proud to sit though some comericals if I'm that early to the movie. |
| [01:07:00] | kormoc: | mchou, so what does the theaters lose if they alianate people who don't go anyway? |
| [01:07:00] | rjune: | indeed |
| [01:08:00] | mchou: | kormoc: easy. If theatres werent such asses fewer pp would invest in home theatres :) |
| [01:08:00] | kormoc: | nah, if it's not comericals or what not |
| [01:08:00] | kormoc: | it's the punk assed kids |
| [01:08:00] | kormoc: | or something else |
| [01:08:00] | xris: | rjune: you still have drive-ins? they all went out of business in this area. |
| [01:09:00] | rjune: | that's it |
| [01:09:00] | rjune: | xris: got three nearby |
| [01:09:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [01:09:00] | j-rod: | xris, no, not all |
| [01:09:00] | mchou: | it only in the smaller towns that theatres have sucessfully gotten away with showing commercials. |
| [01:09:00] | rjune: | and we usually go to four or five shows in the summer |
| [01:09:00] | j-rod: | there's one in Auburn |
| [01:09:00] | rjune: | mchou: Uhm, no |
| [01:09:00] | rjune: | mchou: try chicago |
| [01:09:00] | kormoc: | Seattle's a small town? Orlando's a small town? St. Lewis is a small town? |
| [01:09:00] | kormoc: | Vancouver's a small town? :P |
| [01:09:00] | mchou: | rjune: chicago is by definition a mobster town. :) |
| [01:09:00] | rjune: | when I was out in LA the theatres had commercials |
| [01:10:00] | rjune: | mchou: Chicago is very progressive. |
| [01:10:00] | rjune: | they even let dead people vote |
| [01:10:00] | mchou: | kormoc: Vancouver is small compared to San Fran or NYC, yes. |
| [01:10:00] | kormoc: | ooh! I was in NY at a AMC and they showed comericals! |
| [01:10:00] | ** kormoc saw Jersey Girl in NY ** | |
| [01:11:00] | rjune: | kormoc: LA theatres do it too |
| [01:11:00] | rjune: | aka it's just the Bay area apparently |
| [01:11:00] | mchou: | lol. Jersey Girl. How much did ben affleck pay you to see it? |
| [01:11:00] | kormoc: | hehe, it was actually a good movie |
| [01:11:00] | kormoc: | just much much more chasing amy then mall rats |
| [01:12:00] | rjune: | chasing amy was greate |
| [01:12:00] | rjune: | Dogma was better though |
| [01:12:00] | mchou: | I'm telling you, you as consumers have the power. Tell the theatre owners you wont patronize them if they show commercials. |
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| [01:12:00] | rjune: | mchou: commercials aren't why I don't patronize theatres |
| [01:12:00] | rjune: | I could care less if they do that |
| [01:13:00] | mchou: | I'd go to an arthouse cinema b4 going to Monster Movieplex. |
| [01:13:00] | kormoc: | show me all the commericals you want if I get there a hour early |
| [01:13:00] | kormoc: | it's my fault I'm there so early |
| [01:13:00] | rjune: | I'm more concerned about shitty movies. |
| [01:13:00] | kormoc: | it's better then dead screen time. |
| [01:13:00] | BobJensen: | I don't go to theatres because of the $5 Soda and the $7.50 popcorn |
| [01:13:00] | rjune: | and it being $60 to take my family there |
| [01:14:00] | xris: | I pay to go see good movies. I netflix others, and some really crappy ones I'll download online and watch if I'm REALLY bored. |
| [01:14:00] | mchou: | nobody syas you gotta have pop and soda. |
| [01:14:00] | mchou: | says* |
| [01:14:00] | rjune: | I go get the two fer |
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| [01:14:00] | kormoc: | nobody says you have to get there early and watch commericals that you don't want neather :) |
| [01:14:00] | Beirdo: | dumbass network |
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| [01:15:00] | ** xris still carries his student ID to get discounts at the one or two theatres that do that, too. ** | |
| [01:15:00] | rjune: | heh |
| [01:15:00] | xris: | gotta love grad school — no expiration on the student id card. |
| [01:15:00] | rjune: | mine has an expiration date on it |
| [01:15:00] | mchou: | kormoc: I dunno what pipe you smoking. In portland you couldnt get in unless you got there early. |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | I've never had a issue with getting there within +-5 min or so and getting in |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | I once got in a showing a hour late |
| [01:16:00] | mchou: | not unless you want your eyeballs right up next to the screen. |
| [01:16:00] | rjune: | I don't have any problems with closing the door @ showtime |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | ahh, if you want a good seat, that's a different story, that's up to you to decide if you want to go to a popular movie and show late |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | rjune, I don't neather, as long as they wait till the previews are done. |
| [01:18:00] | mchou: | really, between showing commercials, the nasty ass popcorn smell, the punks who yap throughout the movie. why go to a movie theatre at all? |
| [01:18:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [01:18:00] | rjune: | mchou: it's the punks and the food mostly |
| [01:18:00] | kormoc: | tis your call, like I said, it's not just Commercials that drive people away |
| [01:18:00] | rjune: | most people don't go to theaters because of other people |
| [01:18:00] | mchou: | not for me. It would be the commercials. |
| [01:19:00] | rjune: | that's sucha minor annoyance though |
| [01:19:00] | mchou: | punks and popcorn dont bother me as much. |
| [01:19:00] | ** xris just noticed the time.... ** | |
| [01:19:00] | xris: | later. |
| [01:19:00] | BobJensen: | I have been going to more movies, I host a website for a theatre here and i get 3 free tickets a month and free soda and popcorn there |
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| [01:19:00] | mchou: | rjune: minor??? |
| [01:19:00] | rjune: | yeah |
| [01:19:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [01:19:00] | rjune: | the asswipes that can't shut the hell up are worse |
| [01:19:00] | mchou: | screw that. I want to watch commercials I have TV :) |
| [01:19:00] | kormoc: | do you not watch tv for commericals? |
| [01:19:00] | kormoc: | so like, what's the difference? |
| [01:19:00] | mchou: | kormoc: that's why we have myth :) |
| [01:20:00] | rjune: | indeed |
| [01:20:00] | GotD0t: | hehe |
| [01:20:00] | mchou: | kormoc: the diff is I dont pay to watch TV. |
| [01:20:00] | kormoc: | I don't strip out commericals. |
| [01:20:00] | rjune: | though I don't use it for that yet. ye old P3 533 can't encode and decode fast enough |
| [01:20:00] | kormoc: | you don't? |
| [01:20:00] | kormoc: | you just have over the air? |
| [01:20:00] | rjune: | mchou: broadcast only? wow that doesn't happen much |
| [01:20:00] | kormoc: | ya, tis quite odd |
| [01:20:00] | mchou: | kormoc: I pay $15/mo. for "basic limited" |
| [01:21:00] | kormoc: | ahh, so you do pay for tv |
| [01:21:00] | mchou: | and that's to the "cable company", not the TV networks. |
| [01:21:00] | mchou: | so there is a diff. |
| [01:21:00] | kormoc: | who pays the tv networks... |
| [01:22:00] | mchou: | kormoc: lol, guess you forgot about FCC "Must Carry" |
| [01:22:00] | GotD0t: | i pay like 80 for all the channels (all the premium movie channels and such) and my 3Mbit internet |
| [01:22:00] | mchou: | cause that's all "limited basic" gets me. |
| [01:22:00] | kormoc: | lucky GotD0t... |
| [01:23:00] | GotD0t: | yea... but that will no longer be |
| [01:23:00] | GotD0t: | comunistcast is taking over my cable |
| [01:23:00] | mchou: | kormoc: I think you are just foolish to put up with commercials at the movie theatre. |
| [01:23:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [01:23:00] | rjune: | kormoc: I'm with you |
| [01:23:00] | mchou: | there is absolutely no need for that. |
| [01:24:00] | kormoc: | I think you are over reacting |
| [01:24:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [01:24:00] | mchou: | I dont think I am. |
| [01:24:00] | Beirdo: | meh, I'm going back to my book :) |
| [01:24:00] | kormoc: | tis why I said I think, not you are :) |
| [01:24:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [01:24:00] | rjune: | mchou: but insane prices and draconian rules about food are A OK, right? |
| [01:24:00] | mchou: | there are much more militant folks here in SF, I can assure you :) |
| [01:25:00] | mchou: | rjune: draconian rules about food??? What are you talking about? |
| [01:25:00] | rjune: | I thought SF was known for its large percentage of fashinable men |
| [01:25:00] | rjune: | mchou: none brought in |
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| [01:26:00] | mchou: | rjune: I dunno where you get that crap. Movie theatres by law cannot disallow outside food here. |
| [01:26:00] | rjune: | mchou: can and do here |
| [01:26:00] | rjune: | get a captive audience, and screw them over. concert venues are the same |
| [01:27:00] | mchou: | rjune: lol, that's what you get for being sheep. |
| [01:27:00] | rjune: | not me. I don't go to places like that |
| [01:27:00] | mchou: | Us SF militants dont stand for that crap :) |
| [01:27:00] | mchou: | rjune: yet you seem to say commercials at cinema dont bother you, lol :) |
| [01:28:00] | GotD0t: | i dont mind the commercials at movie theaters... because im always with friends |
| [01:28:00] | rjune: | mchou: they don't. |
| [01:28:00] | GotD0t: | and we just like talk or whatever |
| [01:28:00] | rjune: | mchou: I have been to theatres. I stopped going, because of all the associated BS |
| [01:29:00] | rjune: | so now we go to the drive in |
| [01:29:00] | mchou: | rjune: do you have a home theatre setup? |
| [01:29:00] | rjune: | food is reasonable. |
| [01:29:00] | rjune: | nope |
| [01:29:00] | GotD0t: | drive in... thats such a foreign concept to me |
| [01:29:00] | mchou: | rjune: that just proves my point. cinema lost you as a customer. |
| [01:30:00] | BobJensen: | there have not been drive-ins here in atleast 10 years |
| [01:30:00] | BobJensen: | maybe 15 |
| [01:30:00] | rjune: | mchou: but not because of commercials |
| [01:30:00] | mchou: | rjune: now you have to frequent the drive-in freak show. |
| [01:30:00] | mchou: | bad PQ, audio, all that crap :) |
| [01:31:00] | rjune: | PQ is good, they all have stereo audio, no it's not the facy 5.1 stuff but it's still good |
| [01:31:00] | rjune: | it's comfortable. relaxed. |
| [01:31:00] | rjune: | don't have to worry about asshats so much |
| [01:32:00] | BobJensen: | rjune: are your drive-ins open year round? |
| [01:33:00] | rjune: | nope, |
| [01:33:00] | BobJensen: | Drive-ins here were always closed about 6 or more months out of the year |
| [01:34:00] | rjune: | same here, I'm by chicago |
| [01:34:00] | BobJensen: | Not many people want to watch movies in the snow and -20 Def F weather |
| [01:34:00] | rjune: | they do ok when they're open though |
| [01:34:00] | rjune: | heh, nope. :-) |
| [01:34:00] | BobJensen: | I am in St. Cloud MN |
| [01:35:00] | mchou: | BobJensen: enjoy the ice-fishing there? :) |
| [01:35:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [01:35:00] | BobJensen: | mchou: have never been, driving on a frozen lake is not my idea of logical |
| [01:36:00] | mchou: | haha |
| [01:37:00] | BobJensen: | I used to fish, my ex-wife's family made sure I hated it |
| [01:37:00] | BobJensen: | Now I just don't have the time |
| [01:37:00] | rjune: | why/how? |
| [01:37:00] | mchou: | rjune: and I dont know what you're talking about. My backend is a P2 450 and has enough oomph to flag commercials :) |
| [01:38:00] | rjune: | mchou: separate front end? |
| [01:38:00] | mchou: | rjune: yup. |
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| [01:38:00] | rjune: | 'k, I have a P3 533 doing both |
| [01:38:00] | rjune: | and it's not happy |
| [01:38:00] | rjune: | and do you have a good tv tuner card? |
| [01:39:00] | mchou: | 2x150's |
| [01:39:00] | rjune: | I got a cheap avermedia card |
| [01:39:00] | mchou: | and 2xm179's |
| [01:39:00] | rjune: | most of the work is done by the proc |
| [01:39:00] | mchou: | rjune: well, that's different. |
| [01:39:00] | mchou: | I use strictly HW encode. |
| [01:39:00] | rjune: | i didn't know any better when I got it |
| [01:40:00] | rjune: | and the tuner card was pretty much free. 3 hours worth of work one night |
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| [01:48:00] | Randall64: | Oh man. |
| [01:49:00] | BobJensen: | Yeah woman! |
| [01:49:00] | Randall64: | ;) |
| [01:49:00] | BobJensen: | Sorry, been a long day |
| [01:49:00] | Randall64: | It sucks that I'm going to get black boxes on all sides of my new lcd. |
| [01:49:00] | Randall64: | It's about time for some hdtv. |
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| [01:53:00] | Naggi: | #planeshift |
| [01:53:00] | libolt: | Hi, I'm having some issues with mythtv 0.18.1 on ubuntu for amd64 which was installed with my own custom debian packages. I've got two PVR-150 capture cards and the main problem is that most of the time when I either play recordings or watch livetv the screen is black, however if I play the recorded program files with mplayer they play fine, same goes for the ringbuf.nuv files |
| [01:54:00] | libolt: | I'm using an nvidia geforce 5200 for output, using the nvidia drivers and Xorg 6.8.2 |
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| [02:00:00] | opello: | i was wondering if anyone has luck with the gentoo init script for mythbackend? |
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| [02:01:00] | moonpie: | I don't use it |
| [02:02:00] | opello: | i see there's a new one for 0.18.1-r1, but i had to add this to the stop function to make it work for me: |
| [02:02:00] | moonpie: | prolly coz I don't seem to have it |
| [02:02:00] | opello: | [ "x$(ps -p `cat /var/run/mythbackend.pid` | grep mythbackend | wc -l)" == "x0" ] && rm /var/run/mythbackend.pid |
| [02:02:00] | opello: | it wasn't cleaning the pid file before |
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| [02:33:00] | Ralph: | has anyone ever tried to capture a vhs video with a hauppauge card in linux? |
| [02:36:00] | rjune: | Ralph: prolly want to set channel to 4 |
| [02:36:00] | Ralph: | just to clarify, I'm not hooked up to a tv at all, just recording and watching through monitor |
| [02:37:00] | Ralph: | I directly hooked the vcr to the pvr card with composite video/audio cables |
| [02:37:00] | Ralph: | I can get video but no sound |
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| [02:37:00] | Ralph: | when I used a coax to the tuner input, I get audio but the video of what ever the last channel in myth was |
| [02:38:00] | rjune: | Ralph: use coax |
| [02:38:00] | rjune: | Ralph: then set the channel to 4 |
| [02:38:00] | rjune: | then try to record |
| [02:38:00] | Ralph: | on the vcr? |
| [02:38:00] | rjune: | no, in myth |
| [02:39:00] | rjune: | the vcr should let you specify 3 or 4 as output |
| [02:39:00] | Ralph: | yes I tried both on the vcr but haven't messed with myth |
| [02:40:00] | Ralph: | is that in mythtv-setup on the backend or utilities/setup on the frontend |
| [02:41:00] | Cardoe: | opello: ? |
| [02:41:00] | rjune: | Ralph: that's in the channel selection |
| [02:41:00] | Cardoe: | What's the issue now? |
| [02:42:00] | opello: | Cardoe: nah, new init script seems to work, old ones did not |
| [02:44:00] | Ralph: | should I shutdown before making the cable switch on the computer? |
| [02:44:00] | rjune: | Ralph: I don't know if it'll matter |
| [02:44:00] | Ralph: | I just don't want to fry any pc components |
| [02:44:00] | rjune: | ok |
| [02:52:00] | Cardoe: | opello: ok. that's why there's a new one |
| [02:52:00] | Cardoe: | ;) |
| [02:52:00] | opello: | heh :) |
| [02:52:00] | Cardoe: | new one uses start-stop-daemon |
| [02:52:00] | Cardoe: | rather then MythTV to make the pid |
| [02:53:00] | opello: | probably for the best |
| [02:53:00] | Cardoe: | Anyone have a gmail account? They notice their invites are gone? |
| [02:53:00] | opello: | mine were there this afternoon |
| [02:53:00] | opello: | still there |
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| [03:00:00] | Beirdo: | I have 50 invites |
| [03:02:00] | Beirdo: | kaBOOOM! |
| [03:02:00] | Beirdo: | stupid fireworks |
| [03:02:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [03:24:00] | shibz: | I am having some problems running myth on my other computer. I am getting this: "error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.18.1.so.0". I looked it up and I had forgotten to "echo /usr/local/lib >> /etc/ld.so.conf", but I did that and am still getting the error even though the lib files are in the /usr/local/lib folder |
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| [03:27:00] | rtsai: | shibz: don't you also have to run ldconfig? |
| [03:28:00] | shibz: | oh ya, thanks, im an idiot |
| [03:30:00] | shibz: | uh oh, now I have to figure out why my knoppmyth box is blocking most connections to it |
| [03:31:00] | shibz: | i can connect to it via SSH, but not anything else |
| [03:31:00] | shibz: | i don't think it has a firewall installed |
| [03:32:00] | rtsai: | simple troubleeshooting: try rebooting. You'll eventually have to reboot anyway,better to know things are working now than find out they aren't working later (and rebooting would have taken careof the ldconfig for you) |
| [03:32:00] | rtsai: | otherwise, try "netstat -a" and see if those services are actually running |
| [03:33:00] | shibz: | hmmm, what is the mysql port? |
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| [03:34:00] | shibz: | well, i am sure that mysqld is working |
| [03:34:00] | shibz: | because otherwise mythfrontend wouldn't work on it |
| [03:34:00] | shibz: | but it still inst letting me connect to it |
| [03:36:00] | rtsai: | do "netstat -a | grep -w LISTEN". I think mysqld is 6543 or something like that. |
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| [03:38:00] | shibz: | yea, its running |
| [03:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | mysql is 3306 |
| [03:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | 6543 is mythbackend |
| [03:39:00] | shibz: | 3306 isn't listed |
| [03:39:00] | xris: | GreyFoxx: and 6544 |
| [03:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
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| [03:39:00] | shibz: | 6544 is |
| [03:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | shibz: Then it's either not running, or configured to not listen on anything but a local unix socket |
| [03:40:00] | Heph: | ah ha! video working |
| [03:40:00] | gnarface: | jams: you around? |
| [03:43:00] | Heph: | doppler radar too! |
| [03:44:00] | gnarface: | hey, anyone had any luck with usb-uirt or heard of anyone (besides jams) who has? |
| [03:44:00] | Heph: | hmm... fark is considered offbeat news... |
| [03:44:00] | gnarface: | i was told by the lirc people that you need a patch, but the only one i can find is a bit out-dated. i was hoping to find an updated one so i don't have to try to figure out how to update the patch myself. |
| [03:45:00] | gnarface: | (it fails on about 5% of the hunks |
| [03:45:00] | gnarface: | but this link: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/index.php?date=2005-04-21 is evidence jams is claiming he got it working without a patch. |
| [03:45:00] | gnarface: | i'd like to pick his brain on this. |
| [03:45:00] | shibz: | thanks for the help, i will fix it tomorow when im not so tired. |
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| [03:47:00] | ** gnarface cries ** | |
| [03:49:00] | iggy: | so, who want to take bets that raidreconf is going to hose my system totally? |
| [03:50:00] | ** iggy is expanding his 3x200G raid5 array to a 4th disk tonight ** | |
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| [03:51:00] | gnarface: | iggy: its doomed. |
| [03:51:00] | iggy: | that's what I like to hear |
| [03:51:00] | gnarface: | here's my suggested plan of attack |
| [03:51:00] | gnarface: | get 4 extra disks |
| [03:51:00] | iggy: | that's funny |
| [03:52:00] | gnarface: | is this hardware raid or software raid? |
| [03:52:00] | rtsai: | can you actually hear your TV over all those disks? |
| [03:52:00] | iggy: | software, hence the raidreconf |
| [03:52:00] | iggy: | I turn it up really loud |
| [03:52:00] | ** gnarface is no expert ** | |
| [03:53:00] | gnarface: | iggy: you adding parity, or does it have it already? |
| [03:53:00] | iggy: | it's already a 3disk raid5 |
| [03:53:00] | iggy: | I'm just adding another member |
| [03:54:00] | iggy: | I have a sneaking suspicion it's going to take a really long time though, and I probably need to be in single user mode |
| [03:54:00] | gnarface: | hmm. if it works will you give us a generalized checklist? seems like something useful to know how to do. |
| [03:54:00] | iggy: | I plan on it |
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| [03:55:00] | ofer: | hello |
| [03:55:00] | gnarface: | ofer: usb-uirt? |
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| [03:55:00] | ofer: | I need help debugging WinMyth |
| [03:55:00] | gnarface: | that's a new one. |
| [03:55:00] | ofer: | would anybody like to help me debug it? |
| [03:55:00] | ** gnarface doesn't even have a copy of windows around to do so. ** | |
| [03:55:00] | ofer: | theres a bug that occures on other peoples computer i can't diagnose because it doesnt happen on mine |
| [03:55:00] | gnarface: | think it runs in wine? |
| [03:56:00] | ofer: | i highly doubt it |
| [03:56:00] | rtsai: | other people's frontend or backend? |
| [03:56:00] | ofer: | winmyth is a windows frontend |
| [03:56:00] | gnarface: | winmyth. it'd be frontend |
| [03:56:00] | rtsai: | i mean the bug |
| [03:56:00] | ofer: | http://winmyth.sourceforge.net |
| [03:56:00] | rtsai: | yeh |
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| [03:56:00] | Heph: | should it take 5 sec to change channels? |
| [03:56:00] | ofer: | its a bug having to do with access dsmyth and directshow |
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| [03:57:00] | ofer: | my suspition is that its actually dsmyth improperly configured |
| [03:57:00] | ofer: | but very many people have the problem, and i can't reproduce it |
| [03:57:00] | ofer: | so i need to find somebody who gets it and can help me figure out how to throw a useful error message to the user |
| [03:57:00] | ** rtsai can't help, sorry ** | |
| [03:58:00] | iggy: | Heph: is it really 5 secs, or are you being dramatic? |
| [03:58:00] | iggy: | it does generally take a few secs with mpeg cards because both the card and myth have to empty their buffers |
| [03:58:00] | Heph: | maybe closer to 4 sec |
| [03:59:00] | Heph: | pvr150 |
| [03:59:00] | Heph: | tuner |
| [04:00:00] | iggy: | yeah, it can take a bit |
| [04:00:00] | Heph: | would a ramdisk help or is that normal speed for a pvr150 |
| [04:00:00] | iggy: | it's like I said |
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| [04:01:00] | iggy: | the card and myth both have little buffers that have to empty out before you see the new video |
| [04:01:00] | Heph: | k, I can't judge where the bottleneck is |
| [04:01:00] | iggy: | the change happens immediately, it just takes a bit for you to see the result |
| [04:01:00] | iggy: | there's no bottleneck |
| [04:01:00] | iggy: | that's the nature of the beast |
| [04:02:00] | gnarface: | wait |
| [04:02:00] | gnarface: | Heph: system specs? |
| [04:02:00] | gnarface: | wasn't someone else complaining about something silmilar yesterday or the day before? |
| [04:03:00] | iggy: | people complain about it all the time |
| [04:03:00] | iggy: | then they learn that livetv is pointless |
| [04:03:00] | gnarface: | Heph: it could be the buffer clear time. |
| [04:03:00] | iggy: | watch tv on your own terms |
| [04:03:00] | Heph: | duron 1200, 512mb, 7200rpm ide, need to check on dma |
| [04:03:00] | iggy: | that's why we are all here |
| [04:04:00] | gnarface: | Heph: dma is very important. check it now: hdparm -i [device] |
| [04:04:00] | gnarface: | UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 |
| [04:04:00] | gnarface: | do you see a line like that? |
| [04:05:00] | Heph: | yes |
| [04:05:00] | gnarface: | paste |
| [04:05:00] | Heph: | same |
| [04:05:00] | gnarface: | same? |
| [04:05:00] | Heph: | different machine, but same line as that |
| [04:05:00] | gnarface: | you should be using udma 100 then. |
| [04:05:00] | gnarface: | is your ram ddr? |
| [04:05:00] | Heph: | no idea, was extra parts |
| [04:06:00] | gnarface: | all you can really do to speed it up besides what you've probably is to use xfs on whatever partition your store your video recordings on |
| [04:06:00] | Heph: | pc2700 ddr |
| [04:06:00] | gnarface: | and mount it with noatime and notail options. |
| [04:07:00] | gnarface: | er, actually probably the recordings aren't as important as the partition your recording buffer is on |
| [04:07:00] | gnarface: | you could always try turning down the size of the buffer too |
| [04:07:00] | Heph: | is xfs much faster than ext3 for this? |
| [04:07:00] | gnarface: | heh |
| [04:07:00] | gnarface: | well |
| [04:07:00] | gnarface: | just about anything is faster than ext3 |
| [04:07:00] | gnarface: | besides microsoft's stuff |
| [04:08:00] | iggy: | ext3 has the nasty habit of writing things out every 5secs no matter what else is going on in the system |
| [04:08:00] | gnarface: | but xfs they say does well for deleting really large files, which is likely what you're getting that huge pause from |
| [04:08:00] | gnarface: | but the large file in question is your video buffer, which defaults to 1g+ right? |
| [04:08:00] | iggy: | there's no deleting, it's a ringbuffer |
| [04:08:00] | gnarface: | oh. |
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| [04:09:00] | gnarface: | making it smaller could still speed up performance though, right? |
| [04:09:00] | Heph: | 9400kb is default |
| [04:09:00] | gnarface: | Heph: try xfs but i've heard mixed opinions about it. |
| [04:09:00] | iggy: | at the cost of not being able to buffer much for pausing live tv |
| [04:09:00] | iggy: | 9400kb? |
| [04:09:00] | iggy: | that seems ridiculoustly small |
| [04:09:00] | gnarface: | isn't not 9400k |
| [04:09:00] | Heph: | KB |
| [04:10:00] | gnarface: | i coulda sworn it was like 5g default |
| [04:10:00] | ofer: | why would the ringbuffer being smaller speed things up? |
| [04:10:00] | iggy: | that's like 15secs worth of video |
| [04:10:00] | gnarface: | just because handling really big files is tough on the OS i imagine... |
| [04:10:00] | ofer: | if anything, you want the ring buffer to be as large as possible |
| [04:10:00] | ofer: | not really |
| [04:10:00] | gnarface: | no? |
| [04:10:00] | gnarface: | then what's all that stuff you read about them advising people to use xfs? |
| [04:11:00] | iggy: | ignorance |
| [04:11:00] | Heph: | "HD Ringbuffer size (KB): 9400" |
| [04:11:00] | gnarface: | is there any point in using xfs if it doesn't speed anything up? |
| [04:11:00] | ofer: | think of it this way, if the ringbuffer is huge, (its only initialized upon starting up mythtv), then the disk only needs to write |
| [04:11:00] | ofer: | never needs to delete after itself |
| [04:11:00] | Heph: | I think thats a memory ringbuffer |
| [04:11:00] | gnarface: | hmm. |
| [04:11:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | Heph: that's the memory ringbuffer for the recorder |
| [04:12:00] | Cardoe: | iggy: how's it all working? |
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| [04:12:00] | iggy: | Cardoe: what in particular? |
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| [04:12:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | ofer: the ringbuffer doesn't stick around, it's created (as an empty file which grows up to it's max size) and destroyed every time you enter/leave LiveTV. |
| [04:13:00] | Cardoe: | iggy: your setup |
| [04:13:00] | ofer: | Captain_Murdoch, yes, but once it reaches the max size, it probably starts acting like a ring buffer =) |
| [04:13:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | yes |
| [04:13:00] | iggy: | Cardoe: please be more specific |
| [04:13:00] | Cardoe: | iggy: you were having an issue with your box locking up |
| [04:13:00] | Cardoe: | you were having an issue with mythbackend starting up |
| [04:13:00] | iggy: | I have lots of stuff going on, you could be referring to just about anything |
| [04:13:00] | Cardoe: | MythTV |
| [04:13:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'm just saying that it always has to grow when you first start and gets removed when you exit LiveTV. |
| [04:14:00] | ofer: | so if your disk rring buffer is set small, its probably slower tha if its set larger than the show will end up being that your watching |
| [04:14:00] | iggy: | Cardoe: box hasn't locked up since I changed video cards (although it's the same drivers) |
| [04:15:00] | iggy: | Cardoe: init stuff the last time I rebooted, was bitching, but that was before I put the new myth init script in |
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| [04:16:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | ofer, why? it just loops and starts back at the beginning. why would that be slower than continuing on just making the file larger? |
| [04:16:00] | Cardoe: | iggy: 0.18.1-r1? |
| [04:16:00] | briand: | dang... you folks are tough to find. |
| [04:16:00] | Cardoe: | iggy: there's a fix for OpenGL vsync in it |
| [04:16:00] | ofer: | Captain_Murdoch, actually, your right |
| [04:16:00] | gnarface: | Heph: translation: nothing can save you, just use reiserfs and hope to god nanotech will make storage media stop sucking. |
| [04:16:00] | ofer: | Captain_Murdoch, im just confusing myself |
| [04:17:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | larger is probably slower for several reasons, one being deletion, another being as the file grows in size, it gets spread out further on the disk so you could have to seek more between your reads (for playback if it's not in the cache) and writes. |
| [04:17:00] | iggy: | Cardoe: I don't think it was a problem with mythtv, I think it was in the craptacular nvidia drivers |
| [04:17:00] | Heph: | I'm going to do my last list of things to get this fully working before I worry about speed :) |
| [04:18:00] | briand: | after doing a search for 'IRC' on MythTVTalk.com, I had to read through 27 messages before one solitary message, almost as an aside, happened to mention which of the large myriad of servers/networks this channel was hosted on. |
| [04:19:00] | briand: | if any of you folks are admin there, you might consider putting some directions on how to get here. ;) |
| [04:19:00] | Cardoe: | iggy: probably |
| [04:20:00] | iggy: | briand: well, it's in the second hit in google, so you should probably revise your search skills for the future |
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| [04:20:00] | abarbaccia: | hey all – im having trouble with mythmusic because it says somethings using /dev/dsp but i don't think anything is – any idea how to check this out |
| [04:20:00] | iggy: | kill arts |
| [04:20:00] | iggy: | that would be my first guess anyways |
| [04:21:00] | abarbaccia: | arts isn't running |
| [04:21:00] | abarbaccia: | esd |
| [04:21:00] | abarbaccia: | got it – thanks for the idea tho iggy |
| [04:21:00] | abarbaccia: | question – should esd be running if i'm only using myth |
| [04:21:00] | briand: | iggy: when I search for 'MythTV IRC' in google, I get two references to wilsonet.com's blog, and one to www.technorati.com. Somewhere on the bottom of page two, I found a reference to MythTVTalk.com, where reference to these channels is made during registration, but no mention of server is made... |
| [04:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | briand: It's on the mythtv.org docs : http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html#ss1.7 |
| [04:22:00] | iggy: | abarbaccia: probably not |
| [04:25:00] | briand: | okay.. well, i didn't come here to be argumentative. if you think people can find you easily, well then ... I don't know what to say. I've been googling this subject for a couple weeks now, after reading about MythTV in a sideline in a linux magazine. I've only now stumbled across this channel. :) |
| [04:25:00] | gnarface: | hah. |
| [04:25:00] | gnarface: | briand: had any better luck finding info on the usb-uirt? |
| [04:26:00] | briand: | the wha????? |
| [04:26:00] | rtsai: | briand: congrats, you've passed the first test |
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| [04:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | briand: I wasn't being argumentative. I was merely point out that it's already documented in the first section of the mythtv docs :) |
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| [04:27:00] | iggy: | I have 7 things waiting to be comm flagged |
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| [04:27:00] | iggy: | I think I need more backends |
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| [04:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | iggy heh |
| [04:27:00] | briand: | GreyFoxx: okay. and that would be the only documentation one would find, n'est-ce pas? ;) |
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| [04:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | The only documentation one would find on mythtv.org the home of the mythtv project under documentation :) |
| [04:29:00] | abarbaccia: | hey – anybody know where i would get transcode because myth is saying it can't find it! |
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| [04:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think the first time I found this channel (well the #mythtv channel actually) was pureply luck. I was already on this server and figured I'd see if it existed :) |
| [04:30:00] | gnarface: | you've got a point GreyFoxx |
| [04:30:00] | gnarface: | briand: freenode.net is your new home. make a note of it. |
| [04:30:00] | gnarface: | pretty much all the important channels are here. |
| [04:31:00] | ofer: | some are on gimpnet =) |
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| [04:32:00] | briand: | okay, so you see my point. :) |
| [04:32:00] | briand: | and I'll keep freenode.net in my server list. :) |
| [04:33:00] | briand: | anyway.. i'm gathering components to build my system |
| [04:33:00] | daren: | im having a problem changing channels and listing channels, however my program schedule is listed when i press m.. anyone run into this problem before? |
| [04:33:00] | gnarface: | briand: stay away from anything with an old via chipset |
| [04:33:00] | gnarface: | briand: they have problems with sustained dma transfers apparently |
| [04:34:00] | briand: | gnarface: i've ordered an Asus Pundit... was that wrong? |
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| [04:34:00] | iggy: | briand: quite a few people have those |
| [04:34:00] | Fudd: | hey, can someone help me a bit |
| [04:34:00] | Fudd: | got a few questions |
| [04:34:00] | gnarface: | briand: havn't seen one... |
| [04:34:00] | briand: | <-- this machine has the via chipset in it.. but it's my "play linux" box. |
| [04:34:00] | gnarface: | kt133 is a menace... newer ones are supposedly less so. |
| [04:34:00] | iggy: | Fudd: no, you've used up all your question asking priviledges |
| [04:34:00] | Fudd: | lol |
| [04:35:00] | iggy: | no |
| [04:35:00] | iggy: | I'm completely fucking serious |
| [04:35:00] | briand: | any recommendations on a processor for the asus box? I'd already figured on plugging a 512M ram into it. |
| [04:35:00] | Fudd: | how did i use up all of my questions when i just got here? |
| [04:35:00] | iggy: | briand: the celeron D's seem to be popular |
| [04:35:00] | gnarface: | Fudd: that's 3. you only got 2. now shut up. |
| [04:35:00] | iggy: | Fudd: your ever changing nicks aren't nearly as clever as you'd like to think |
| [04:36:00] | Fudd: | what are you talking about |
| [04:36:00] | gnarface: | wait. i didn't mean to get in to this. |
| [04:36:00] | gnarface: | iggy, i don't even know this person. |
| [04:36:00] | gnarface: | Fudd: ignore me. |
| [04:36:00] | iggy: | there's only one utterly annoying turd from sli.la that comes in here repeatedly |
| [04:37:00] | iggy: | gnarface: yes you do, he was in here last night pissing off Beirdo and sarah_Emm |
| [04:37:00] | briand: | iggy: mmm-kay.. perhaps i should have prefaced that question with the statement that the last computer I built up for a project was based on a 386SX chip... not really "up" on the processors these days. |
| [04:37:00] | Fudd: | this is the first time ive ever been in here... |
| [04:37:00] | Fudd: | wtf |
| [04:37:00] | iggy: | Fudd: bullshit |
| [04:37:00] | Fudd: | LOL.. OMG.... i have NEVER been in here in my life |
| [04:38:00] | iggy: | Fudd: if that were true, you would be arguing the point, you'd be ignoring me and asking your question |
| [04:38:00] | gnarface: | briand: you only need alot of cpu if your mpeg2 card doesn't do the encoding/decoding for you. i like to build systems with athlonXP3200+ anyway though. |
| [04:38:00] | rpete: | iggy, I saw you kissing a man the other day |
| [04:38:00] | briand: | the card does hw encode/decode. PVR-350. |
| [04:38:00] | Fudd: | some people are such dickheads, i came to ask a simple fucking question, but fuck you ass hole |
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| [04:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Fudd: Just ignore them |
| [04:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | doh |
| [04:38:00] | iggy: | briand: newegg.com, search for celeron D |
| [04:39:00] | briand: | 'kay, will do. in fact, i bought the pundit from them |
| [04:39:00] | gnarface: | briand: than you can probably make due with a celeron 300A |
| [04:39:00] | iggy: | GreyFoxx: that's the same guy, he even has the same IP and everything |
| [04:39:00] | iggy: | briand: they are good people |
| [04:39:00] | ofer: | would anybody like to help me debug an exception that occures for alot of users of winmyth? |
| [04:39:00] | mchou: | iggy: same guy as what? |
| [04:39:00] | ofer: | i dont get it on my machines, but i want to fix the bug |
| [04:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh. Ok. Same IP is one thing. I thought it was just the same ISP :) |
| [04:39:00] | Beirdo: | it's Eszenia |
| [04:39:00] | iggy: | mchou: that ass face that was pissing off beirdo and sarah_emm last night |
| [04:39:00] | Beirdo: | what an asshole |
| [04:40:00] | mchou: | again??? |
| [04:40:00] | gnarface: | lol |
| [04:40:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: I thought you were nice to him :) |
| [04:40:00] | gnarface: | man you guys are territorial. |
| [04:40:00] | gnarface: | hahaha. |
| [04:40:00] | briand: | they seem to have some good stuff there, for sure. 300A vs. Celeron D? hmm. |
| [04:40:00] | ChanServ sets mode +o Beirdo | |
| [04:40:00] | briand: | clearly, i have some more reading to do.. |
| [04:40:00] | iggy: | I tried to tell beirdo to just ban the netmask, but he won't listen to me |
| [04:40:00] | ofer: | im running mythtv on a pII 300 with a PVR 350, its quite fine |
| [04:40:00] | mchou: | iggy: he did, trustme :) |
| [04:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | I wonder how many use winmyth |
| [04:40:00] | ofer: | of course, it acts only as my backend |
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| [04:41:00] | ofer: | GreyFoxx, i do =) |
| [04:41:00] | gnarface: | briand: if i were you i'd splurge for the late-model athlon-XP though, they're much pickier about ram but you'll have all kinds of horsepower left over to do fun things with. |
| [04:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [04:41:00] | Beirdo sets mode +b *!*@*.sli.la.charter.com | |
| [04:41:00] | iggy: | gnarface: he alrady ordered the pundit |
| [04:41:00] | Beirdo: | screw him |
| [04:41:00] | briand: | gnarface: ...and that'll work in the Asus? |
| [04:41:00] | iggy: | yay Beirdo |
| [04:41:00] | Beirdo sets mode -o Beirdo | |
| [04:41:00] | gnarface: | wait what is this pundit thing? |
| [04:41:00] | mchou: | wow, eszenia gets banned again!! |
| [04:41:00] | Beirdo: | if it WASN'T him, he can come grovel again |
| [04:41:00] | iggy: | gnarface: little intel barebones thingy |
| [04:42:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sick of his shit |
| [04:42:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: some folks never learn :) |
| [04:42:00] | iggy: | Beirdo: it was the same exact IP as last night |
| [04:42:00] | Beirdo: | I don't doubt it |
| [04:43:00] | gnarface: | oh i see. 200W power supply. that's gonna put a damper on things.... |
| [04:43:00] | ofer: | cool thing about using a slow old cpu is you can go fanless if you work at it |
| [04:43:00] | iggy: | Beirdo: I checked logs, and his whole entrance just screamed that it was he returning to annoy the piss out of more people |
| [04:43:00] | mchou: | my P2 is fanless :) |
| [04:44:00] | briand: | my thinking was that, with the pvr-350, i wouldn't be so dependant on CPU horsepower |
| [04:44:00] | iggy: | my balls are fanless |
| [04:44:00] | ** iggy hates on the 350 ** | |
| [04:44:00] | mchou: | iggy: haha....that's why you dont get any? |
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| [04:45:00] | iggy: | mchou: I doubt that's why, there are so many other reasons for them to choose from |
| [04:45:00] | gnarface: | but why go fanless when you can cryocool a celeron 300A to .95ghz? |
| [04:45:00] | gnarface: | :-D |
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| [04:45:00] | ofer: | why do you hate the 350? |
| [04:46:00] | ofer: | it seems to work pretty well |
| [04:46:00] | mchou: | bah, I wouldnt get a 350. |
| [04:46:00] | iggy: | mostly because people expect it to work miracles |
| [04:46:00] | gnarface: | briand: yea, see if you can put a celeron in it. they're pretty cheap and it should have plenty of horsepower to function. |
| [04:46:00] | mchou: | get a hauppauge MVP instead. |
| [04:46:00] | iggy: | it's getting better, but it still wasn't meant to do what people are trying to get it to do |
| [04:46:00] | ofer: | it does, it makes my pII still useful |
| [04:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | with the current work on the yuv/xv stuff I wouldn't mind playing with a 350. but unless it's cheap I wuoldn't buy one |
| [04:47:00] | ofer: | its meant to make your computer into a pvr...? |
| [04:47:00] | ofer: | what else to people expect it to do? |
| [04:47:00] | iggy: | if the guy is putting together a pundit, he's already in the territory of being able to decode mpeg |
| [04:48:00] | iggy: | ofer: they want to play f'ing games on it and dumb shit like that |
| [04:48:00] | ofer: | hehe |
| [04:48:00] | ofer: | i wonder if xmame stuff works on the pv |
| [04:48:00] | ofer: | pvr |
| [04:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | the 350? not so much :) |
| [04:48:00] | briand: | i have no illusions of running games on it... i have a ps2 for games |
| [04:48:00] | iggy: | it might with john harvey's work, but it's never going to do it well |
| [04:49:00] | rtsai: | dammit. Just when I configure my /ignores on joins/quits/etc., I miss the action |
| [04:49:00] | mchou: | rtsai: haha |
| [04:49:00] | rtsai: | i guess i'll have to wait for the logs tomorrow :) |
| [04:49:00] | iggy: | briand: I just think that the extra money could be spent better than on a 350 |
| [04:49:00] | ofer: | i dont use the pvr 350 for its output and decoding ability, i bought it cause i got a steep discount and i wanted to future proof myself |
| [04:49:00] | iggy: | I have a 350 |
| [04:49:00] | iggy: | I don't use it |
| [04:49:00] | iggy: | it's sitting in a box |
| [04:49:00] | ofer: | i use it like it was a 250 |
| [04:49:00] | mchou: | ofer: hoy $ did you pay for 350? |
| [04:49:00] | mchou: | how* |
| [04:50:00] | ofer: | mchou, free |
| [04:50:00] | iggy: | thief |
| [04:50:00] | mchou: | heh, cant beat that :) |
| [04:50:00] | ofer: | it was a trade; i helped a friend out at a trade show, he gave me a pvr =) |
| [04:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | iggy: I'll give ya $20 for it :) |
| [04:50:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [04:50:00] | Beirdo: | including shipping of course |
| [04:50:00] | ofer: | oh, and a hard drive |
| [04:51:00] | briand: | i got mine for $129 ... seemed like a good price, after some online research |
| [04:51:00] | mchou: | ppl are crapping all over the place on 350 and now everyone offering him bucks. |
| [04:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | no, I'd pay for regular usps shipping :) |
| [04:51:00] | mchou: | hippocrates :) |
| [04:51:00] | Beirdo: | umm |
| [04:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm not the one crapping on it. I just said it wouldn't be great for games |
| [04:51:00] | Beirdo: | I think you mean hypocrites |
| [04:51:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I don't play games, so I don't care :) |
| [04:51:00] | xris: | mchou: what do Greeks have to do with this? |
| [04:51:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: yeah, that's what I meant :) |
| [04:52:00] | Beirdo: | slightly different |
| [04:52:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:52:00] | ofer: | i love the 350, before the 350, i used to run my pIII 866 as the backend, it doesnt do so well, and thats my fastest desktop |
| [04:52:00] | AbTux: | Does anyoen know how to get Xmess to run fullscreen using mythtv? |
| [04:52:00] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [04:52:00] | Beirdo: | WTF is Xmess? |
| [04:52:00] | ofer: | and it was loud, has 3 fans and one is dusty |
| [04:52:00] | mchou: | probably some game emulator |
| [04:52:00] | AbTux: | xmess, is similar to xmame, but for different systems |
| [04:52:00] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [04:53:00] | Beirdo: | have fun |
| [04:53:00] | AbTux: | What happes when I try and run it from a non-root user, is that is says DGA requires root access |
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| [04:53:00] | AbTux: | ..so I suppose I need to figure out how to give the mythtv user ... access to dga |
| [04:53:00] | mchou: | briand: $129 is too much for 350 |
| [04:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | tried setting the xmess app to setuid root ? |
| [04:54:00] | AbTux: | GreyFoxx: How do I do that? |
| [04:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | chmod +s /path/to/app |
| [04:56:00] | briand: | mchou: is it? it was 45–60 bux cheaper than most |
| [04:57:00] | mchou: | briand: 150=$60. MVP=$80 |
| [04:57:00] | mchou: | better at display than 350 :) |
| [04:57:00] | briand: | us dollars? |
| [04:59:00] | mchou: | yeah, US$ |
| [05:01:00] | briand: | do the 150 or the MVP have hardware mpeg encode/decode? |
| [05:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | the mvp is a small network mpeg2 decoder device that will playback your myth recordings |
| [05:02:00] | mchou: | 150==HW encoder, MVP==HW decoder (with divx too) |
| [05:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | basically makes a small, quiet frontend |
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| [05:02:00] | mchou: | New versions of MVP do divx decode. |
| [05:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | not, the divx stuff is not available with the opensource app that will interacti with mythtv |
| [05:03:00] | bobc: | mchou: I thought the MVP did divx on the server side, or was that the old ones |
| [05:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | the mvp's are mpeg2 decoders, they playback divx by making the server transocde and stream mpeg2 to them |
| [05:03:00] | ** xris kicks his mythbox for freaking out after a power outtage. ** | |
| [05:03:00] | xris: | 5–6 recordings from when I was on vacation have messed-up audio. |
| [05:03:00] | xris: | oh well. |
| [05:04:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: hmm, weird. Not what the box says :) |
| [05:04:00] | dopester: | xris: hd? |
| [05:04:00] | xris: | no |
| [05:04:00] | xris: | nothing worth recording in HD. |
| [05:04:00] | dopester: | ok then not my problem :) |
| [05:04:00] | mchou: | xris: lol. |
| [05:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: I know what the box says, but that's how it works :) |
| [05:04:00] | xris: | dopester: no, not an issue with your stuff. :) |
| [05:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | The windows app that seves up the files transcodes on the fly :) |
| [05:04:00] | xris: | btw, you ever get the mythfilldatabase + dvb + zap2it stuff working? |
| [05:04:00] | dopester: | ok cause if you see that make sure you are using TS mode not PS mode.. |
| [05:04:00] | dopester: | anyway im off to bed |
| [05:05:00] | dopester: | i got back from az last night around 11:30 and have been in a shitty mood since i got back from work so i haven't done crap today |
| [05:05:00] | iggy: | I am selling my 350, but apparently asking too much for it |
| [05:05:00] | briand: | okay, so the 150 or the MVP would be half the functionality of the 350. ;) I only have two slots available in the Pundit, and the other will probably be used for external SCSI storage further down the line |
| [05:06:00] | xris: | dopester: :( go sleep |
| [05:06:00] | iggy: | external scsi? at that point you move to a backend with a bunch of sata drives and use nfs |
| [05:06:00] | xris: | I'm going to get food and catch up on tv. |
| [05:06:00] | dopester: | xris: on my way :) take care guys |
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| [05:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | xris: What drives are you guys selling most these days >? |
| [05:07:00] | AbTux: | GreyFoxx: thanks, that worked |
| [05:07:00] | xris: | GreyFoxx: seagate and WD |
| [05:07:00] | briand: | alright... well, it's gettin' late here at my QTH... and i have to work in the morning. glad i finally found you guys... i'll pop back on tomorrow |
| [05:07:00] | xris: | GreyFoxx: I don't know which ones specifically sell more. probably WD since they're cheaper. |
| [05:08:00] | xris: | ok, food time. afk. |
| [05:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I figure with the amount of drives you guy slikely sell you would have a better feel for what is currently the better brands when it comes to drive failues and problems |
| [05:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | later :) |
| [05:08:00] | ofer: | $70 for a 200gb |
| [05:09:00] | mchou: | bah, that's too steep |
| [05:09:00] | ofer: | err $60 |
| [05:09:00] | mchou: | frys had seagate 300GB for $60 (AR) |
| [05:09:00] | BobJensen: | GreyFoxx: Take a look at the mfg warr differences, I think WD is at 1 year and Seagate is 3 or 5 years |
| [05:09:00] | ofer: | oh, you rlooking at the same ads i'm trying to remember bymemeory =) |
| [05:10:00] | mchou: | PATA, of course |
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| [05:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | bobc: Some of the WD's are 3, depends on what you buy |
| [05:10:00] | briand: | 'k.. i'm outta here. laterz/ |
| [05:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | but Seagate is my favourite |
| [05:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've had little problems with them over the years |
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| [05:10:00] | mchou: | I'm not so sure warranty correlates with drive quality :) |
| [05:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | just sucks that few places locally carry them instock. I hate waiting |
| [05:11:00] | BobJensen: | GreyFoxx: I have quit selling WD drives to clients, way to many failures and i have to eat the labor on replacement |
| [05:11:00] | ofer: | in my experience, they're all pretty similar in quality |
| [05:11:00] | ofer: | i've had all the major brands fail |
| [05:11:00] | ofer: | actually had best luck with wd |
| [05:11:00] | mchou: | I have heard some (unconfirmed) horror stories with seagates recently..... |
| [05:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm an impatient bugger when I decide to buy something, and nothing buggs me more than having to wait for something to get ordered in |
| [05:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [05:12:00] | ofer: | but i'm guessing its just luck |
| [05:12:00] | BobJensen: | I used to like WD, 3 years ago, since then the quality seems to have gone down |
| [05:12:00] | mchou: | WD never had good quality :) |
| [05:13:00] | BobJensen: | I have some 4 and 5 year old WD drives that seem unstopable |
| [05:13:00] | mchou: | bah, I have 10 yr old WD that I'm still using. Doesnt mean they're high quality :) |
| [05:14:00] | ofer: | my mythtv machine has two maxtors and a seagate |
| [05:14:00] | ofer: | one of the maxtors failed a year back |
| [05:14:00] | mchou: | blowing off crc is never a good idea :) |
| [05:14:00] | ofer: | but it was under warrenty |
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| [05:25:00] | Beirdo: | mmmm. crapstor |
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| [05:43:00] | abarbaccia: | jams are you here? i have a question about a post i saw from you from a while back |
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| [05:47:00] | hteecs: | hello all i have a question regarding mplayer – will you guys allow an OT question about it here? |
| [05:48:00] | hteecs: | # mplayer is dead |
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| [05:52:00] | daren: | im having a problem changing channels and listing channels, however my program schedule is listed when i press m.. anyone encounter this problem before? |
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| [06:04:00] | abarbaccia: | daren did you link the program listing you have with the input in mythtv-setup |
| [06:05:00] | jasoncohen: | daren, if you don't you will only get one channel and you won't be able to change channels in live tv but you will see all your channels in mythtv-setup |
| [06:05:00] | jasoncohen: | you need to bind the inputs you use to a source |
| [06:05:00] | abarbaccia: | w00t just fixed my focus issues with xine and gnome!! i almost have my ubuntu mythtv box fully functional....err- well maybe halfway |
| [06:06:00] | jasoncohen: | abarbaccia, really- i kept getting weird sound problems where it said it couldn't access the sound device in mythtv |
| [06:06:00] | jasoncohen: | but otherwise sound worked fine..probably esd related |
| [06:06:00] | abarbaccia: | jasoncohen, you have to killall esd before mythfrontend loads |
| [06:07:00] | jasoncohen: | anyways, my mythtv system is fully functional in debian testing with a pvr-250 and a bttv card with btaudio digital sound. |
| [06:07:00] | jasoncohen: | abarbaccia, hmm, well, that might have been useful to know :). Anyways, ubuntu trashed my mandrake install- caused a kernel panic for both kernels i had |
| [06:08:00] | abarbaccia: | thats pretty ugle |
| [06:08:00] | jasoncohen: | abarbaccia, how's ubuntu running for you? |
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| [06:08:00] | abarbaccia: | i LOVE ubuntu |
| [06:09:00] | abarbaccia: | i switched from mandrake on my personal box, apt-get is god, and everything just works so nicely |
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| [06:09:00] | jasoncohen: | i thought it was pretty cool for a desktop system but i prefer the larger/more updated base from debian testing |
| [06:09:00] | abarbaccia: | plus all the releases are scheduled around when the new gnome comes out – so its all real slick and always up to date, no more than 6 months behind on the standard release |
| [06:10:00] | abarbaccia: | well, if you enable the multiverse in the sources you have the same thing almost |
| [06:10:00] | abarbaccia: | and you can jsut add debian sources since its based off debian |
| [06:10:00] | jasoncohen: | ubuntu has KDE 3.4/Gnome 2.10/2.6.10 kernel but their universe doens't get any security updates |
| [06:10:00] | ofer: | or you can use fedora with apt for rpm |
| [06:10:00] | ofer: | and follow jarods great howto |
| [06:10:00] | abarbaccia: | ofer, i was going by that – but fedora doesnt impress me, and hardware detection is only so so at best |
| [06:11:00] | abarbaccia: | ubuntu is the best distro for hardware detection i've seen |
| [06:11:00] | ofer: | hehe, linux has choice =) |
| [06:11:00] | abarbaccia: | indeed it does |
| [06:11:00] | ofer: | all thats left that i really want to work in linux but doesnt is suspend to ram on my laptop |
| [06:12:00] | jasoncohen: | abarbaccia, it's basically debian with some new configuration tools and more polished |
| [06:12:00] | abarbaccia: | ofer, ubuntu has hibernate right now, but suspend to ram for laptops and powersave is going to be in the next release (breezy) |
| [06:12:00] | ofer: | unbuntu is quickly gaining a lot of popularity |
| [06:12:00] | ofer: | suspend to ram has a lot to do with kernel support |
| [06:12:00] | Beirdo: | yup, it sure is |
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| [06:13:00] | abarbaccia: | indeed it is – my friend has it installed on his laptop and gets 5.5 hours on his battery whereas windows leaves him with 4.25 |
| [06:13:00] | ofer: | fedora and ubuntu run into the same problems on this laptop |
| [06:13:00] | Beirdo: | and I have a stack of CDs to prove it |
| [06:13:00] | abarbaccia: | hahah same here Beirdo |
| [06:13:00] | jasoncohen: | Beirdo, what do you use? |
| [06:13:00] | Beirdo: | for what? |
| [06:13:00] | jasoncohen: | myth |
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| [06:13:00] | Beirdo: | FC1 at this point |
| [06:13:00] | abarbaccia: | fedora |
| [06:13:00] | abarbaccia: | lol FC1 |
| [06:13:00] | abarbaccia: | if it aiint broke... |
| [06:13:00] | jasoncohen: | i have here my 4 mandrake 2005 LE cds, the debian sarge net installer, the fc3 installer, and the ubuntu hoary installer |
| [06:13:00] | Beirdo: | when I rebuild, it will be to ubuntu hoary on an AMD64 |
| [06:14:00] | abarbaccia: | YEAAAA Beirdo |
| [06:15:00] | abarbaccia: | well, if its close to october, your better off going with breezy instead of hoary with myth .18 or whatever it is at the time |
| [06:15:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:15:00] | jasoncohen: | abarbaccia, do you use KDE, Gnome or some other window manager? |
| [06:15:00] | Beirdo: | it will definitely be > 0.18 |
| [06:15:00] | abarbaccia: | Gnome |
| [06:15:00] | abarbaccia: | yea, but i was going to go with breezy right now , because thats what i run at home, but its so broken right now |
| [06:15:00] | jasoncohen: | i really like ubuntu's gnome desktop but i wasn't impressed by KDE 3.4 |
| [06:15:00] | Beirdo: | hoary works well |
| [06:15:00] | abarbaccia: | my desktop is always breaking because of the gcc transition |
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| [06:15:00] | Beirdo: | and I can upgrade easy enough later |
| [06:16:00] | abarbaccia: | yea – stay stable |
| [06:16:00] | Beirdo: | and I don't use gnomw or KDE. |
| [06:16:00] | abarbaccia: | what do you use |
| [06:16:00] | abarbaccia: | ice? |
| [06:16:00] | Beirdo: | I don't |
| [06:16:00] | jasoncohen: | how stable is ubuntu? |
| [06:16:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:16:00] | abarbaccia: | very |
| [06:16:00] | abarbaccia: | i've never been impressed with kde |
| [06:16:00] | Beirdo: | I use ratpoison for myth |
| [06:16:00] | jasoncohen: | i had an easier time with myth on debian than on ubuntu |
| [06:16:00] | abarbaccia: | im thinking of writing a howto on ubuntu since i'm doing this thing from scratch (no guides – hooray for me!) |
| [06:17:00] | abarbaccia: | nearly the same |
| [06:17:00] | Beirdo: | make a guide, abarbaccia :) |
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| [06:17:00] | jasoncohen: | abarbaccia, there is a guide on mythtv.info |
| [06:17:00] | abarbaccia: | Beirdo, if I make one, can you help me out with correcting it -i've been taking extensive notes |
| [06:17:00] | jasoncohen: | though the ivtv section didn't work for me |
| [06:17:00] | Beirdo: | well, I can try |
| [06:17:00] | jasoncohen: | ck's newest driver won't load correctly so i'm using his 2jf one from a while back |
| [06:18:00] | abarbaccia: | jasoncohen, theres an ubuntu guide? |
| [06:18:00] | jasoncohen: | yes |
| [06:18:00] | jasoncohen: | on mythtv.info |
| [06:18:00] | abarbaccia: | i just looked |
| [06:18:00] | jasoncohen: | i'll get you the link |
| [06:18:00] | abarbaccia: | oh |
| [06:18:00] | abarbaccia: | i got it |
| [06:19:00] | jasoncohen: | how does ubuntu's stability compare to debian testing? |
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| [06:21:00] | abarbaccia: | couldnt tell you – havnt used debian testing |
| [06:21:00] | abarbaccia: | Beirdo, this guide is looking pretty good – too bad i didn't know about it... |
| [06:21:00] | abarbaccia: | but I might have to rewrite it with a little more format and clearer |
| [06:23:00] | jasoncohen: | lol, i'm so glad i do daily backups of mythconverg :) |
| [06:23:00] | jasoncohen: | saved me a lot of pain |
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| [06:26:00] | jasoncohen: | Beirdo, so, what distros do you use for your non-myth boxes? |
| [06:26:00] | Beirdo: | gentoo on my asterisk box |
| [06:26:00] | Beirdo: | ubuntu on all new boxes |
| [06:27:00] | Beirdo: | but still have FC1 and FH8 on old ones |
| [06:27:00] | Cardoe: | go Beirdo go! |
| [06:27:00] | Cardoe: | dumping FC1 |
| [06:27:00] | jasoncohen: | i should try ubuntu breezy when it comes out, but i wont' do it on my desktop again :). |
| [06:27:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, FC1 is OK |
| [06:27:00] | Beirdo: | anything FC newer pisses me off |
| [06:28:00] | jasoncohen: | right now i have debian testing on both my boxes |
| [06:28:00] | jasoncohen: | Beirdo, why? |
| [06:28:00] | Cardoe: | iggy & all Gentoo people... test 0.18.1-r1... it's a candidate for stable! |
| [06:28:00] | Beirdo: | because |
| [06:28:00] | Beirdo: | many reasons |
| [06:29:00] | jasoncohen: | unstable? |
| [06:29:00] | Cardoe: | selinux on FC3 was so damn invasive. |
| [06:29:00] | Beirdo: | selinux sucks |
| [06:29:00] | jasoncohen: | they see it as an achievement, heh |
| [06:29:00] | Beirdo: | being forced to deal with that is annoying, it should be a damn option |
| [06:29:00] | jasoncohen: | i thought it was |
| [06:29:00] | laga: | good morning. |
| [06:29:00] | abarbaccia: | Beirdo, it is an option |
| [06:29:00] | abarbaccia: | during install |
| [06:29:00] | jasoncohen: | yeah |
| [06:30:00] | abarbaccia: | laga- its 1:30 AM |
| [06:30:00] | abarbaccia: | lol |
| [06:30:00] | Beirdo: | not really |
| [06:30:00] | jasoncohen: | good morning laga |
| [06:30:00] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [06:30:00] | laga: | abarbaccia: 7:30 for me. |
| [06:30:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [06:30:00] | Beirdo: | it's a mess, and I'd rather use ubuntu |
| [06:30:00] | laga: | Beirdo: i've switched to ubuntu from fc3. way less bloated |
| [06:30:00] | abarbaccia: | because ubuntu rocks your world (say it...i know you want to) |
| [06:30:00] | jasoncohen: | damn, i guided someone through installing and setting up openvpn on FC2. For something that has two deps it sure was a bitch to install |
| [06:31:00] | Beirdo: | yup. less dependancy bloat |
| [06:31:00] | Beirdo: | and WAY less developer politics |
| [06:31:00] | laga: | heh |
| [06:31:00] | abarbaccia: | and the cool nature sounds – how can you not love it |
| [06:31:00] | jasoncohen: | i think all it needs it liblz0 and openssl (which any system should have) |
| [06:31:00] | abarbaccia: | apt-get them |
| [06:31:00] | jasoncohen: | this was on fc2 |
| [06:31:00] | abarbaccia: | oh |
| [06:31:00] | abarbaccia: | then play the rpm game |
| [06:31:00] | jasoncohen: | in debian it's a matter of apt-get install openvpn |
| [06:31:00] | Beirdo: | FC2 is crap |
| [06:32:00] | jasoncohen: | and debian has the newest version- 2.0 stable..very nice stuff |
| [06:32:00] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [06:32:00] | jasoncohen: | ? |
| [06:32:00] | Beirdo: | now I'm gonna spend MORE money |
| [06:32:00] | Beirdo: | fucking hell, I shoulda stopped looking |
| [06:33:00] | Beirdo: | the Minolta 5400DPI film scanner's $800CDN |
| [06:33:00] | jasoncohen: | btw, how are LCDs for video? i want to get a 19" LCD before i go back to brandeis |
| [06:33:00] | Beirdo: | a better use of money than the 3200DPI at $500CDN |
| [06:34:00] | Beirdo: | no clue, I don't use LCD other than on the laptops |
| [06:35:00] | Beirdo: | and wow. 25s per scan. |
| [06:35:00] | ** Beirdo drools ** | |
| [06:35:00] | abarbaccia: | jasoncohen, if you get one |
| [06:36:00] | abarbaccia: | go with a dell, find coupons online, and at least 19" – at 19 you get better contrast ratio, resolution, and refresh |
| [06:36:00] | abarbaccia: | 15 – 17 no difference |
| [06:36:00] | Beirdo: | DELL??! |
| [06:36:00] | Beirdo: | WTF? |
| [06:36:00] | abarbaccia: | and consider widescreen (that's what im getting) |
| [06:36:00] | abarbaccia: | dell has some of the best monitors out right now |
| [06:36:00] | jasoncohen: | why widescreen? |
| [06:36:00] | abarbaccia: | because its cool as hell |
| [06:36:00] | Beirdo: | Dell sucks |
| [06:36:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:36:00] | abarbaccia: | have you looked at their monitors |
| [06:36:00] | abarbaccia: | top rated |
| [06:37:00] | abarbaccia: | i hate their computers |
| [06:37:00] | abarbaccia: | and their people |
| [06:37:00] | Beirdo: | whatever, they suck |
| [06:37:00] | abarbaccia: | but their monitors i can stand |
| [06:37:00] | Beirdo: | every time I've looked at their monitors, I've hated them |
| [06:37:00] | jasoncohen: | what monitor do you have? |
| [06:37:00] | Beirdo: | Sony XBR 36" TV |
| [06:37:00] | jasoncohen: | i'm still using my cornerstone p1450- top rated then and still a good CRT |
| [06:37:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:38:00] | jasoncohen: | heh |
| [06:38:00] | Beirdo: | most of the time I use the laptops |
| [06:38:00] | Beirdo: | and the CRT hooked to all of the servers... Viewsonic V775–2 |
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| [06:44:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: when you have some time tomorrow |
| [06:45:00] | Cardoe: | I wanna ask ya about asterisk |
| [06:45:00] | Beirdo: | hmm? |
| [06:45:00] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [06:45:00] | Beirdo: | http://konicaminolta.com/products/consumer/di . . . 2/index.html |
| [06:45:00] | Cardoe: | I'm falling asleep |
| [06:45:00] | ** Beirdo drools ** | |
| [06:45:00] | Cardoe: | otherwise I'd ask ya now |
| [06:45:00] | Beirdo: | I think I'm buying that tomorrow |
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| [06:47:00] | gnarface: | i once killed Dell in reno, just to watch him die. |
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| [06:54:00] | gnarface: | ok damnit |
| [06:54:00] | gnarface: | i give up |
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| [06:54:00] | gnarface: | fuck the usb-uirc |
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| [06:55:00] | gnarface: | does anyone have a suggestion for any irc transmitter (it doesn't have to recieve) i could buy at Fry's tomorrow that will work with lircd 0.7.1, no patching, no bullshit? |
| [06:55:00] | tonsofpcs: | huh? irc transmitter? |
| [06:55:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [06:55:00] | gnarface: | , sorry, ir transmitter |
| [06:55:00] | mchou: | gnarface: make your own. |
| [06:55:00] | gnarface: | i've been drinking again. |
| [06:55:00] | abarbaccia: | do you mean an irblaster |
| [06:55:00] | tonsofpcs: | make own == cheap |
| [06:55:00] | gnarface: | is that seriously the easiest way? |
| [06:55:00] | abarbaccia: | gnarface, check ebay – someones selling some for like 12 dollars |
| [06:56:00] | abarbaccia: | made for mythtv |
| [06:56:00] | gnarface: | 1 ir led 1 resister, 1 diode 1 new soldiering iron? |
| [06:56:00] | tonsofpcs: | saves about $40 easy |
| [06:56:00] | abarbaccia: | search for mythtv |
| [06:56:00] | mchou: | no, you can buy an mce remotefor $45 :) |
| [06:56:00] | gnarface: | abarbaccia: need to get it *tomorrow* |
| [06:56:00] | tonsofpcs: | 2 leds is preferred for better, but ya |
| [06:56:00] | tonsofpcs: | anyone know of a CD-boot OS with mythtv on it? |
| [06:56:00] | abarbaccia: | gnarface, damn |
| [06:56:00] | abarbaccia: | knoppmyth |
| [06:56:00] | abarbaccia: | boots to a frontend |
| [06:56:00] | tonsofpcs: | mchou – that still saves $40 even with radioshack prices |
| [06:56:00] | tonsofpcs: | thx abarbaccia :) |
| [06:57:00] | gnarface: | abarbaccia: it doesn't have the usb-uirc patch in its lircd does it? |
| [06:57:00] | abarbaccia: | np |
| [06:57:00] | mchou: | tonsofpcs: lol. I didnt say go to ratshack :) |
| [06:57:00] | gnarface: | hah. all electronics |
| [06:57:00] | abarbaccia: | not sure gnarface – it has a lot in it – but not positive |
| [06:57:00] | gnarface: | the thing is, any solution i would have to wait more than a day for i'll just figure out how to shoehorn this old patch in myself |
| [06:58:00] | gnarface: | cause i found a patch to add fricking lircd support |
| [06:58:00] | gnarface: | but its old and it'll take me a day to apply it manually |
| [06:58:00] | Beirdo: | well, bedtime |
| [06:58:00] | mchou: | gnarface: wtf is so difficult about a patch? |
| [06:58:00] | gnarface: | cause i don't know shit about lircd |
| [06:58:00] | tonsofpcs: | mchou – no, but ratshack prices are high, if it saves 40 with ratshack prices, it saves more with anything else |
| [06:58:00] | mchou: | tonsofpcs: you preaching to the choir man. |
| [06:58:00] | gnarface: | mchou: its like OLD. there's 5 failed hunks outta like 30 and i'm new to the code base entirely. |
| [06:58:00] | tonsofpcs: | sure, i could build about 8 from mouser and 10 from jameco for the price of 1 from ratshack........... |
| [06:59:00] | mchou: | I use a old MS ball mouse for my ir rx/tx :) |
| [06:59:00] | gnarface: | tonsofpcs: if i paid you to do such a thing could you have them in hollywood by around 2pm tomorrow? |
| [06:59:00] | tonsofpcs: | mchou – nice :) do you use a mini-din6 for the connector too? |
| [06:59:00] | tonsofpcs: | gnarface – no, i'm in NJ |
| [06:59:00] | gnarface: | DAMNIT |
| [06:59:00] | mchou: | tonsofpcs: yup :) |
| [06:59:00] | tonsofpcs: | plus i still haven't finished mine [i'm lazy] :-p |
| [07:00:00] | tonsofpcs: | i just have the receiver piece done :-p |
| [07:00:00] | gnarface: | the specs online are doable. |
| [07:00:00] | gnarface: | its just like 5 solier points max |
| [07:00:00] | gnarface: | gotta buy a new solidering iron |
| [07:00:00] | gnarface: | but that'd be cheaper than what i've already spent on this usb-uirc |
| [07:00:00] | tonsofpcs: | lets see... LED, diode, connector, transistor, cap, about 7 points i think |
| [07:01:00] | tonsofpcs: | soldering irons are only ~5–15 at ratshack, you can get em cheap :) |
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| [07:01:00] | mchou: | tonsofpcs: you know the old ball mouse has a PIC in there ready to leverage? :) |
| [07:01:00] | tonsofpcs: | nice |
| [07:02:00] | tonsofpcs: | mchou – PS/2 or RS232? |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | tonsofpcs: both |
| [07:02:00] | tonsofpcs: | then there's ones like mine that were a few hundred in the 60s and stopped being made because no one needs a 250 watt soldering iron :) |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | PS/2 with serial adapter :) |
| [07:02:00] | tonsofpcs: | the ones that say Microsoft on them and were also rebranded by almost everyone? |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | 250W burns up components man. A blow torch would do better :) |
| [07:03:00] | Heph: | I have alsa sound working on my system but not when playing tv from the pvr150 cable tv input. I don't see anything muted in 'alsamixer -V all'. Did I miss a setting someplace? |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | tonsofpcs: hmm, these are made by MS, I believe.... |
| [07:03:00] | tonsofpcs: | mchou – i got one of those too :) [the ratshack butane soldering iron, doesn't hold much] |
| [07:03:00] | abarbaccia: | hey guys -i m getting stuck with this lirc installation – it cant find the lirc module |
| [07:04:00] | gnarface: | Heph: is there something you gotta do to get the audio out of the card over the pci bus instead of having to have a exteral wire? |
| [07:05:00] | tonsofpcs: | does anyone know if knoppmyth supports the Hauppauge WinTV USB [FM or normal]?? |
| [07:05:00] | mchou: | tonsofpcs: doubtful. |
| [07:05:00] | abarbaccia: | tonsofpcs, check #knoppmyth |
| [07:05:00] | gnarface: | tonsofpcs: nothing does yet that i've heard.... the usb one was 'unsupportable' wasn't it? |
| [07:05:00] | mchou: | I dont think WinTV is v4l even :) |
| [07:05:00] | abarbaccia: | anybody here know what i need to add to have it recognise the lirc_i2c module |
| [07:05:00] | Heph: | gnarface: sounds like what I need to do, no place for a jumper wire |
| [07:05:00] | abarbaccia: | or where a log will be |
| [07:05:00] | tonsofpcs: | gnarface – bah |
| [07:05:00] | gnarface: | its in the ivtv documentation as that |
| [07:06:00] | abarbaccia: | what someone needs to do is this |
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| [07:06:00] | Heph: | gnarface: thanks, did not know where to start |
| [07:06:00] | gnarface: | Heph: heh. that's all i got for you. good luck. |
| [07:06:00] | gnarface: | Heph: i know if you were using a bt878 based card there's a alsa module to do it. |
| [07:06:00] | Heph: | I was messing with alsa trying to get it to work |
| [07:06:00] | abarbaccia: | make a high def capture card that's usb, so we can take the new xbox360s, with removable hard drives, high def outputs, 3 processors, and water cooling for like $300 (hopefully) and make them crazy PVRs (and remote control is there for you already!) |
| [07:07:00] | tonsofpcs: | i know there's problems with the new WinTVUSB [WinTV USB 2/PVR], but mines the old one |
| [07:07:00] | mchou: | abarbaccia: keep smoking dope :) |
| [07:07:00] | abarbaccia: | mchou, what do you mean!? |
| [07:07:00] | mchou: | good luck hacking xbox360 :) |
| [07:07:00] | abarbaccia: | thats the specs on the new xbox – i know – drivers will be impossible |
| [07:07:00] | abarbaccia: | we need to get an in at microsoft |
| [07:08:00] | abarbaccia: | they got the old xbox |
| [07:08:00] | gnarface: | water cooling is crap |
| [07:08:00] | gnarface: | its all about OIL COOLING |
| [07:08:00] | gnarface: | way easier to set up. |
| [07:08:00] | abarbaccia: | its all about phase change cooling |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | abarbaccia: plus not to mention MS intends to market xbox 360 as MCE extenders. |
| [07:08:00] | gnarface: | way less dangerous to your computer too |
| [07:08:00] | gnarface: | (maybe much more so to your carpets though) |
| [07:08:00] | gnarface: | lol@ phase change cooling |
| [07:08:00] | abarbaccia: | im serious – that stuff is out |
| [07:09:00] | gnarface: | sure. |
| [07:09:00] | gnarface: | and how many stars does it take to power one of them? |
| [07:09:00] | abarbaccia: | i am tho! it was in maximum pc on how ot set one up |
| [07:09:00] | abarbaccia: | nah, its just like a small ac unit - |
| [07:09:00] | gnarface: | what every happend to Kryotech? |
| [07:09:00] | gnarface: | Kryotek? |
| [07:09:00] | gnarface: | they made those refrigerated celeron cases for a while. |
| [07:10:00] | abarbaccia: | dunno – never heard of them |
| [07:10:00] | gnarface: | for overclocking, you know. |
| [07:10:00] | abarbaccia: | yea – i would imagine |
| [07:10:00] | tonsofpcs: | nah, celerons needed refridgeration in the firstplace :-p |
| [07:12:00] | gnarface: | abarbaccia: lol, here... http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/19991020/ |
| [07:12:00] | gnarface: | i've actually seen one |
| [07:12:00] | gnarface: | they took 45 minutes to cold start |
| [07:12:00] | gnarface: | but they'd stay charged for a few minutes, so it could take as little as 5 or so to reboot |
| [07:13:00] | abarbaccia: | hahaha – its crazy – a whole 900 MHz!!! |
| [07:13:00] | gnarface: | heheh. well |
| [07:13:00] | gnarface: | 200mhz increase ... at the time that's like a 20% increase |
| [07:13:00] | gnarface: | heh. vital if you need that edge in quake2 |
| [07:14:00] | abarbaccia: | true |
| [07:15:00] | abarbaccia: | but clock speed isnt everything |
| [07:15:00] | abarbaccia: | they dropped the l2 cache speed which would hurt on games |
| [07:16:00] | gnarface: | indeed. |
| [07:16:00] | gnarface: | not as much as you'd think though. |
| [07:16:00] | gnarface: | weren't those ones still running a small amount of cache at a faster speed? |
| [07:17:00] | gnarface: | some classes of those celerons were actually faster in practice |
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| [07:17:00] | gnarface: | http://www.kryotech.com/menu/product/product1.asp |
| [07:17:00] | gnarface: | aww ;( |
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| [07:19:00] | abarbaccia: | poor poor thing |
| [07:20:00] | tonsofpcs: | did anyone see the mouse-pad looking thing that came with keys you just stuck to it in random places and would work? |
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| [07:25:00] | gnarface: | no |
| [07:25:00] | gnarface: | link? |
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| [07:44:00] | Heph: | there is a setting to adjust that |
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| [07:44:00] | Gumby: | any idea where? |
| [07:46:00] | Heph: | mythsetup |
| [07:46:00] | Heph: | under general |
| [07:47:00] | Heph: | "Time offset for XMLTV listings" might do it |
| [07:48:00] | Heph: | So close yet so far... still no sound from cable tv input |
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| [07:56:00] | tonsofpcs: | Heph – what card? |
| [07:56:00] | Heph: | pvr150 |
| [07:56:00] | Heph: | what device should the cable tv sound come from? |
| [07:56:00] | tonsofpcs: | hmmm, not sure about that one, some require you to put a patch cable to the soundcard |
| [07:56:00] | Heph: | I don't think the pvr150 has any audio-out to use a patch cable with |
| [07:58:00] | gnarface: | should just be /dev/dsp |
| [07:58:00] | gnarface: | cause the audio is already in the mpeg |
| [07:58:00] | gnarface: | hmm |
| [07:59:00] | gnarface: | you need to put the audio IN to the line in though... |
| [07:59:00] | gnarface: | right? |
| [07:59:00] | gnarface: | i think... |
| [08:00:00] | k-man_: | what video card should I get for a mythbox? |
| [08:00:00] | gnarface: | hell if i know. |
| [08:00:00] | tonsofpcs: | k-man_ – a really cheap POS one :-p |
| [08:00:00] | gnarface: | the nvidia ones are decent. |
| [08:00:00] | Heph: | I've tried putting valid audio into the pvr150 line in, but nothing extra happened. I do get audio from the sound card line in. but that requires my cable tv box to be on the same channel as the cable tv in the pvr150 |
| [08:00:00] | gnarface: | you can get them for 40$ |
| [08:00:00] | k-man_: | just about anything should do eh? |
| [08:01:00] | Heph: | audio+video should come over the cable tv coax and delt with by the pvr150 cable tv tuner |
| [08:01:00] | tonsofpcs: | Heph – what connectors are on the pvr150? |
| [08:01:00] | gnarface: | k-man_: hell, a matrox g200 will do if you don't want to have the output at a very high resolution |
| [08:02:00] | k-man_: | no, 1024x768 is the resolution i'm going for |
| [08:02:00] | k-man_: | anyway, gtg |
| [08:02:00] | Gumby: | Heph: I did what you suggested and it seems to make 0 differents in my data (in mythweb) |
| [08:02:00] | k-man_: | thanks |
| [08:02:00] | k-man_: | bye |
| [08:02:00] | Heph: | antenna/cabletv input, s-video input, rca video input, audio input, remote |
| [08:02:00] | gnarface: | k-man_: its most important just that it is supported by x.org |
| [08:02:00] | tonsofpcs: | hmmm |
| [08:02:00] | k-man_: | yeah thanks |
| [08:02:00] | tonsofpcs: | could be not supported? |
| [08:02:00] | tonsofpcs: | could be a different device? |
| [08:03:00] | gnarface: | unmute everything |
| [08:03:00] | gnarface: | and then turn them up one by one |
| [08:03:00] | Heph: | everything is unmuted |
| [08:03:00] | gnarface: | *shrug* |
| [08:04:00] | gnarface: | i'm outta guesses. |
| [08:05:00] | tstm: | Do you guys know how well Sonoma (the new Centrino chipset) is supported under linux? Would it be possible to run accelerated X on one? |
| [08:05:00] | Heph: | Gumby: did you redownload the listings? |
| [08:06:00] | Gumby: | Heph: in the process of. It seems to be hanging quite a lot |
| [08:07:00] | gnarface: | tstm: duh: http://x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/RELNOTES.html |
| [08:08:00] | Heph: | I need a remote as responsive as the keyboard... a bluetooth remote would be nice |
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| [08:08:00] | gnarface: | heh. good luck with that. |
| [08:09:00] | gnarface: | suggest: just use your keyboard |
| [08:10:00] | Heph: | is there a keyboard button to goto the current channel while on the guide? |
| [08:10:00] | gnarface: | no idea |
| [08:11:00] | Gumby: | Heph: nope, that didnt help unfortunately |
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| [08:54:00] | |rt|: | anyone here have experience with software raids? |
| [08:55:00] | |rt|: | i have a raid 5 that is degraded now |
| [08:56:00] | |rt|: | normally when this happens I can just hot add the drive back to the array and it rebuilds...but this time it seems to have failed differently and is marked with an F beside the drive |
| [08:56:00] | |rt|: | it won't let me readd it b/c it's still in the array.....do you think it would be safe to force remove this drive from the array and then attempt to hot add it |
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| [09:24:00] | fryfrog: | |rt|: perhaps your drive is just really, finally failed? |
| [09:25:00] | fryfrog: | |rt|: you might be better off removing it from the array and replacing it with a new one |
| [09:48:00] | Gumby: | does anyone here know which table in the db I need to purge so I can rerun mythfilldatabase to repopulate the table |
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| [11:00:00] | bomba: | Gumby: run myth-setup and say 'yes' to the clear tv listings question |
| [11:01:00] | bomba: | err, mythtv-setup |
| [11:06:00] | bomba: | or look through the tables and find the one w/ tv listings |
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| [11:46:00] | esoteric[atwork]: | morning all |
| [11:47:00] | esoteric[atwork]: | can any point me to where the definition of what 'auto-expire' is please |
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| [12:28:00] | maniacxs: | hi there |
| [12:28:00] | intrade: | dont know what auto expire is but i guess it expires automaticaly like a root password set to be admin for a specific time ? |
| [12:29:00] | intrade: | seyas i am off |
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| [12:30:00] | maniacxs: | got a problem with mythtv. Sometimes the video played freezes and X takes whole CPU. |
| [12:31:00] | maniacxs: | now i found following: |
| [12:31:00] | maniacxs: | nVidiaVideoSync: VBlank ioctl did not work, unimplemented in this driver? |
| [12:31:00] | maniacxs: | DRMVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/dri/card0, No such file or directory |
| [12:31:00] | maniacxs: | is it possible, that this causes the problem i have? |
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| [12:42:00] | DesyphIX: | hey |
| [12:43:00] | DesyphIX: | can anyone here recommend me to a digital HDTV card supported by mythtv? |
| [12:46:00] | riksta: | air2pc ? |
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| [13:46:00] | moonpie: | is there anyway to do a mass IMDB search and update the database? I really don't want to have to manually search for about 400 divxs |
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| [13:48:00] | GotD0t: | that would be a cool feature moonpie |
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| [13:49:00] | moonpie: | sure would |
| [13:49:00] | moonpie: | manually doing it is a major chore |
| [13:49:00] | moonpie: | it would have to have some method to handle ambiguous searches |
| [13:49:00] | moonpie: | like maybe flagging them some how for manual review |
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| [14:59:00] | esoteric[work]: | morning all |
| [15:00:00] | esoteric[work]: | has anyone taken an IR keyboard and programmed a universal remote with it to control your myth box? |
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| [15:02:00] | opello: | that's an awesome idea |
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| [15:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | I did that a couple years ago when I setup my first mythbox |
| [15:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | worked fairly well |
| [15:06:00] | levon: | problem just is, that you cannot have different "presets". with lirc you can program a key to act differently for each program |
| [15:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | levon, if all you run is myth/mplayer/xine I don't presonally see that as a problem |
| [15:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Even with what I use now, I just configure mplayer and xine to use the same keys for the same functions |
| [15:06:00] | levon: | it is a problem for running myth + mplayer, IMHO |
| [15:06:00] | esoteric[work]: | yeah cause I can't get lirc to work with my pvr-150 for the life of me |
| [15:07:00] | levon: | like "p" = pause in myth, but " " in mplayer |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | levon: it's trivial to use the same keys in mplayer as in mtyh |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythtv@woop:~/.mplayer$ grep -i pause input.conf |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | p pause |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | SPACE pause |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | JOY_BTN0 pause |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | just edit input.conf :) |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can have multiple keys for the same function in mplayer |
| [15:08:00] | levon: | i c ;) |
| [15:08:00] | levon: | still like lirc, though ;) |
| [15:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/input.conf |
| [15:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | That's what I use |
| [15:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | lirc seems to be a big headache for a lot of people. Either problems configuring, or various stability problems. So I like to just avoid it altogether :) |
| [15:09:00] | esoteric[work]: | levon: I did too when it worked, now it doesn't and I can't seem to fix it ... actually no one can seem to fix it ... I have enlisted the help of a dozen people |
| [15:09:00] | esoteric[work]: | so you are doing the whole IR keyboard setup GreyFoxx ? |
| [15:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | Esotericisms: No, I was back when I first setup my stuff, now I use a RF+IR remote with a USB dongle that I control via a device driver to act like keyboard |
| [15:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | but that same remote and IR keyboard is in use at a friends house. I gave it to him when I setup his mythbox |
| [15:10:00] | esoteric[work]: | really ... |
| [15:11:00] | esoteric[work]: | GreyFoxx: you are using a IR/RF remote? |
| [15:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yup, universal learning IR remote + built in RF mode to talk to the usb receiver |
| [15:12:00] | esoteric[work]: | which one? |
| [15:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | There is a lirc module for the usb receiver if you want to use lirc, or do as I do and use a modified ati_remote.c to treat it like a keyboard and not have to deal with lirc at all |
| [15:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . ote-controls |
| [15:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use it to control all of my gear |
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| [15:13:00] | esoteric[work]: | their enlargened screenshot of it doesn't exist ... damn ... |
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| [15:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | It does when I click it |
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| [15:13:00] | esoteric[work]: | hrm ... |
| [15:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://store.niveusmedia.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.2/it.A/id.4/.f |
| [15:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | try that |
| [15:14:00] | esoteric[work]: | are those plastic or rubber buttons? soft or hard |
| [15:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | rubbery, I guess I'd call them soft to medium |
| [15:15:00] | esoteric[work]: | cool ... how many devices can it control? |
| [15:16:00] | esoteric[work]: | would you be willing to help me set it up? |
| [15:16:00] | esoteric[work]: | what version of LIRC are you running? |
| [15:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | None |
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| [15:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | Like I said I use a modified ati_remote.c driver so that I don't have to use lirc at all |
| [15:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | the remote is treated like a keyboard and mouse |
| [15:16:00] | esoteric[work]: | that is cool |
| [15:17:00] | esoteric[work]: | alright you have me sold ... |
| [15:17:00] | esoteric[work]: | would you be willing to share your knowledge on this with me if I get the remote? |
| [15:17:00] | Beirdo: | say it again, GreyFoxx... it might stick this time |
| [15:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm willing to share my version of the driver (2.6.x only) |
| [15:17:00] | esoteric[work]: | Beirdo: shutup :P :) |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | But it will be up to you to compile it and install it properly on your system |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | Are you comfortable compiling a kernel ? |
| [15:18:00] | esoteric[work]: | on gentoo I was :) ... on Fedora ... well |
| [15:18:00] | esoteric[work]: | I haven't tried |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | That file replaces a file in the kernel, and you have to compile it as a module |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | if you can figure that out you should be fine :) |
| [15:18:00] | esoteric[work]: | what distro are you using? |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | Slackware |
| [15:20:00] | esoteric[work]: | are all the buttons learnable? I see that there is no "DVD" section .. might I assume that I could program the VCR one to handle that? |
| [15:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | I programmed a button for my DVD player (hardware one that is). |
| [15:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | I can'tremember what button it was off hand |
| [15:21:00] | maniacxs: | Anyone knows this message: "Timed out waiting for free video buffers"? After it appears the video freezes. |
| [15:21:00] | esoteric[work]: | so how did you program it to work as a keyboard .. how did you program the keys? |
| [15:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | vi ati_remote.c |
| [15:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | For the RF stuff that is |
| [15:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | And yes almost every button is a learnable in the IR modes |
| [15:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | the Blue button on the very top switches to RF mode, the others above the big round button are the IR modes. TV/Stereo/etc/etc |
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| [15:26:00] | esoteric[work]: | ok |
| [15:26:00] | esoteric[work]: | so in the ati_remote.c file you assigned all the remote keys to the corresponding keyboard keys? |
| [15:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | Correct |
| [15:27:00] | esoteric[work]: | ah very cool ... I am following now .. ok .. I am going to go buy this thing now I think |
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| [15:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | I keep threatening to make it so that you can configure the keys in an external file so that you wont have to recompile to make changes. But I never get around to it |
| [15:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/ati_remote.c |
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| [15:28:00] | abarbaccia: | hey all – anybody around who can help me with lirc issues? |
| [15:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | that's funny |
| [15:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | we just finished conversations on how to avoid using lirc |
| [15:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | and then you pop in with that :) |
| [15:29:00] | esoteric[work]: | lol |
| [15:29:00] | abarbaccia: | lol – well, i'm using it – and i'm so close |
| [15:29:00] | esoteric[work]: | hey abarbaccia: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/, go to todays date ... read the last 15 minutes |
| [15:30:00] | esoteric[work]: | hey GreyFoxx , how can I get the file from you? |
| [15:30:00] | abarbaccia: | if i do a make install again on lirc – everything works fine and loads correctly – but after a reboot, somethings not loading correctly because lircd gets killed when trying to use irw |
| [15:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | Esotericisms: I just sent you the link to it |
| [15:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [15:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | esoteric[work]: I just sent you the link to it |
| [15:31:00] | esoteric[work]: | sorry missed that |
| [15:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | <GreyFoxx> http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/ati_remote.c |
| [15:31:00] | abarbaccia: | esoteric[work], i have a pvr150 with lirc working...just not loading correctly |
| [15:31:00] | esoteric[work]: | wow, I need to learn how to read :) |
| [15:31:00] | esoteric[work]: | what distro .. |
| [15:32:00] | abarbaccia: | esoteric[work], i can get you lirc working – just need to work on how things load and the way they are susposed to – ubuntu – but i've done it in fedora, and knoppmyth as well |
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| [15:32:00] | maniacxs: | GreyFoxx: can you help with the video freezes, on nvidia, problem? |
| [15:33:00] | esoteric[work]: | hey GreyFoxx, you got a diagram on your pc of which keys on the remote are assigned to what on a keyboard? |
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| [15:34:00] | esoteric[work]: | abarbaccia: what does your modules.conf / modprobe.conf look like? post to http://pastebin.ca |
| [15:34:00] | esoteric[work]: | brb in a few minutes |
| [15:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | maniacxs: Sorry, no time. I have to go back to pretending to work |
| [15:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | esoteric[work]: Use the source Luke |
| [15:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | Specifically the ati_remote_tbl_niveus[] table |
| [15:38:00] | abarbaccia: | esoteric[work], http://pastebin.ca/12517 <-- thats all you need in your file for lirc – the rest is ivtv stuff which for me is a little messy |
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| [15:40:00] | esoteric[work]: | hrm ... |
| [15:40:00] | esoteric[work]: | that isn't right, but he left |
| [15:41:00] | ** esoteric[work] goes to look at the source so he stops bugging GreyFoxx ** | |
| [15:42:00] | esoteric[work]: | that doesn't look like the niveus remote :P |
| [15:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, the ati_remote_tbl_niveus tables does |
| [15:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | that driver handles more than one type of remote |
| [15:44:00] | esoteric[work]: | oh I gotcha .. I see what you are saying |
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| [15:45:00] | abarbaccia: | okay – slowly but surely i'm getting closer to the lirc problem – now here's the issue: no /dev/lircX is created |
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| [15:50:00] | esoteric[work]: | abarbaccia: I have the same issue |
| [15:50:00] | esoteric[work]: | ,/dev/lirc isn't created on my fedora install |
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| [15:54:00] | abarbaccia: | hooray to me and lirc |
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| [15:57:00] | shibz: | I am having trouble with getting myth to connect to the database on the backend. When I run frontend it exits out with the error "Unable to connect to database!, No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." |
| [15:57:00] | shibz: | I am able to connect to it using "mysql -h 192.168.0.21 -u mythtv -p" though |
| [15:57:00] | abarbaccia: | shibz, do you have the correct ip in the frontend |
| [15:58:00] | shibz: | yes |
| [15:58:00] | abarbaccia: | hurm |
| [15:58:00] | abarbaccia: | do you have the correct database info in your mysql.txt file? |
| [15:59:00] | rpete: | did you configure mysql to allow access for the mythtv user from the frontend ip address |
| [15:59:00] | shibz: | mysql.txt is fine |
| [16:00:00] | shibz: | and if the database wasn't set up right, wouldn't it block me from connecting using the mysql command |
| [16:00:00] | rpete: | you can do it from the frontend with the mysql command? |
| [16:01:00] | shibz: | yes |
| [16:01:00] | rpete: | okay, I overlooked that |
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| [16:05:00] | shibz: | could the problem be with the frontend not being compiled right? |
| [16:06:00] | rpete: | you don't have mysql.txt in ~/.mythtv do you? |
| [16:06:00] | shibz: | yes i do |
| [16:06:00] | shibz: | its set up right |
| [16:06:00] | |rt|: | fryfrog: thanks for your response I had to go home and take a nap....working 22 hour shifts right now ugh |
| [16:06:00] | shibz: | aaw, im late, gotta go, thanks for the help |
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| [16:07:00] | |rt|: | fryfrog: I have another 6.4tb coming here today and I am planning on moving all the lvm data off that degraded raid once i have the room to migrate it so I can get that raid back to a healthy state |
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| [16:39:00] | jasoncohen: | GreyFoxx, is it possible to have a button on the niveus remote start mythfrontend using your driver? |
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| [16:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | No and Yes |
| [16:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | No, the driver wont do it |
| [16:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | but yes you could make it work by using eventd to trigger and even when a multimedia key is pressed(such as launch an aopplication) and configure a button to use that key |
| [16:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | fuck I can't type |
| [16:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | use eventd to trigger AN even! |
| [16:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | t |
| [16:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | blah, why do I bother trying to correct myself. It just makes it worse :) |
| [16:46:00] | abarbaccia: | hey all – im having trouble getting xine to work with lirc- i think its with my config file – any special place it needs to be |
| [16:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | So you could map the power button for instance to something, and configure eventd to launch mythfrontend when that button is pressed |
| [16:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | You would just have to make sure it set DISPLAY properly and that x allows the app to connect |
| [16:47:00] | laga: | abarbaccia: ~/.lircrc |
| [16:47:00] | laga: | abarbaccia: just symlink it |
| [16:47:00] | abarbaccia: | laga-i got it there – that's what i did |
| [16:47:00] | abarbaccia: | it works for myth but not for xine |
| [16:48:00] | laga: | that's odd, because myth reads ~/.mythtv/lircrc ;) |
| [16:48:00] | abarbaccia: | well, that's where the file is |
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| [16:49:00] | abarbaccia: | i recompiled xine-ui |
| [16:49:00] | abarbaccia: | think that has something to do wit hit |
| [16:51:00] | laga: | check if you compiled it with support for lirc. |
| [16:52:00] | abarbaccia: | laga, im looking into it right now |
| [16:54:00] | abarbaccia: | laga, that would be the issue – must compile xine-ui AFTER installing lirc so configure detects it and adds in the correct stuff |
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| [17:03:00] | abarbaccia: | alright – how can i get the dma on my cdrom drive to stop going to off |
| [17:03:00] | laga: | abarbaccia: sounds good to me ;) |
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| [17:08:00] | jasoncohen: | GreyFoxx, thanks |
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| [17:31:00] | hadees: | so i bought a new power supply which burned out my motherboard, my harddrive, my dvd drive, however they tell me my memory, pcu and graphics card are okay... |
| [17:31:00] | hadees: | this sucks |
| [17:31:00] | hadees: | mythtv is gone... |
| [17:31:00] | laga: | ouch |
| [17:31:00] | laga: | no backups? |
| [17:32:00] | hadees: | laga, i don't care about backups, the hardware burn out is what is bumming me |
| [17:32:00] | laga: | yeah, well |
| [17:32:00] | hadees: | because its a starnge kind of case, so they couldn't fix it |
| [17:32:00] | laga: | it sucks indeed, i feel for ya :/ |
| [17:32:00] | hadees: | bastards at fry's |
| [17:32:00] | hadees: | they said they cood |
| [17:32:00] | hadees: | got me to pay $60 then said they couldn't |
| [17:33:00] | hadees: | i really feel like paying someone else to fix this, someone who will give me a warrenty |
| [17:33:00] | hadees: | so they can handle the damn problems |
| [17:33:00] | hadees: | anyone know anyone around Austin TX? |
| [17:34:00] | xris: | hadees: that's why you always pay with a credit card... dispute charges. |
| [17:35:00] | hadees: | xris, i did |
| [17:35:00] | hadees: | what happend was they said they weren't 100% sure they could get the power supply |
| [17:35:00] | hadees: | so they guy talked over with 2 other people there, managers i belive |
| [17:35:00] | Beirdo: | we're not sure if we can help you, but pay us now. |
| [17:35:00] | Beirdo: | nice scam |
| [17:36:00] | hadees: | then he came back and said he was pretty sure they could get it |
| [17:37:00] | hadees: | then i get a call and got pissed so i talked to manager and he said i never guaranteed, but he hevily implied |
| [17:37:00] | hadees: | what pisses me off if they were that unsure to start with i wouldn't have left it there, i would have found someone else who could repair it |
| [17:38:00] | hadees: | hell i could do it my self but this is like the 3 power supply i have gone through and i am sick of it |
| [17:38:00] | hadees: | i want a damn warrenty |
| [17:39:00] | hadees: | i don't know what i should do... either fix it my self and buy all new parts yet again |
| [17:39:00] | hadees: | try to get someone else to do it for more money |
| [17:39:00] | hadees: | but i need to find someone who can actually fix it |
| [17:40:00] | hadees: | i hate when i know more about computers then the guy repairing mine |
| [17:40:00] | hadees: | but i don't have parts to switch out for testing |
| [17:41:00] | kormoc: | hadees, you should just get a pc power and cooling ps. |
| [17:41:00] | kormoc: | well, if you know the mobo's dead, get a new mobo and start testing from there... |
| [17:42:00] | kormoc: | hadees, http://www.pcpowercooling.com/home/ |
| [17:43:00] | hadees: | kormoc, the problem is my custom case takes a server powersupply that is only 2U |
| [17:43:00] | ** kormoc peers at it ** | |
| [17:43:00] | kormoc: | they should sell them... let me see |
| [17:44:00] | kormoc: | http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/assets . . . mensions.jpg |
| [17:44:00] | kormoc: | would that one fit? |
| [17:45:00] | hadees: | kormoc, well from the name it looks like it is 1U |
| [17:45:00] | kormoc: | http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewpr . . . p?show=T401U |
| [17:45:00] | hadees: | so thats to small |
| [17:45:00] | kormoc: | you don't have a shim? |
| [17:45:00] | ** kormoc blinks. ** | |
| [17:46:00] | hadees: | its not really like that, you really need just a 2U power supply |
| [17:46:00] | kormoc: | throw two in and have redundant power supplys? |
| [17:47:00] | hadees: | kormoc, hehe i don't think it would fit right 2U aren't just a double of 1U |
| [17:47:00] | hadees: | they have slightly diffrent holes |
| [17:47:00] | hadees: | for screwes |
| [17:47:00] | hadees: | and placement |
| [17:49:00] | kormoc: | oddly enough, they don't have any 2u's on the site, but I'm sure if you email them, they might have a few in stock. |
| [17:50:00] | hadees: | kormoc, i found enough other places but i have had such bad luck i really feel spent, i am so at the point where i really just want to pay someone else to fix this damn thing |
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| [17:51:00] | kormoc: | fair nuff, tis just like, *everyone groans at his story again* |
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| [17:52:00] | kormoc: | I bought a ps from them, a nice one, best one ever, a few months later, 8 pm on a friday, I got a call, the lady explained that there might be a quality control issue with some caps on my ps and thus she was gonna ship me out a replacement free of charge, I received the replacement 9 am saturday morning, they shipped a free replacement to myself same day shipping for a ps that has no problems. they really care about their custo |
| [17:52:00] | kormoc: | mers. |
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| [17:53:00] | initrc: | Nabend |
| [17:53:00] | initrc: | someone here? |
| [17:53:00] | kormoc: | nope |
| [17:53:00] | initrc: | *g* |
| [17:56:00] | initrc: | could anyone help me? |
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| [17:56:00] | kormoc: | sure, edit your /etc/rc.conf and set the 3dr module config to bootup |
| [17:57:00] | kormoc: | then reboot and it'll all be fine |
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| [18:01:00] | initrc: | ...? |
| [18:02:00] | initrc: | my problem ist: |
| [18:02:00] | initrc: | is |
| [18:03:00] | initrc: | my mouse works not fine in the menu |
| [18:03:00] | initrc: | i cant click all buttons |
| [18:03:00] | initrc: | the curser hides |
| [18:03:00] | kormoc: | that's not a problem, that's a design. Myth doesn't use the mouse. |
| [18:04:00] | initrc: | mhh.... i have lirc working |
| [18:04:00] | initrc: | but not in mythtv |
| [18:04:00] | initrc: | how can i use this with mythtv? |
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| [18:17:00] | kormoc: | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7914159/ |
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| [19:00:00] | Rigga: | Hi |
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| [19:24:00] | Esotericisms: | j-rod, you around? |
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| [19:25:00] | j-rod: | around, but a bit on the busy side |
| [19:29:00] | jasoncohen: | GreyFoxx, do you know what package eventd is in or where i would get it? |
| [19:30:00] | beavis: | hmm cvs doesn't compile here |
| [19:30:00] | beavis: | filter_linearblend.c: In Funktion »linearBlendFilter«: |
| [19:30:00] | gratuit: | I have a pvr150, and when I use my mthtv setup, sometimes I get a high pitched whine in the audio, it doesn't happen all the time, but it is really annoying since it makes recording a risk, anyone know what could cause this and how to fix it? |
| [19:30:00] | beavis: | filter_linearblend.c:360: error: `linearBlend3DNow' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| [19:30:00] | Esotericisms: | j-rod -> PM when you get a minute |
| [19:31:00] | Heph: | gratuit: no idea, but what os are you using? |
| [19:32:00] | gratuit: | Heph: ubuntu hoary linux |
| [19:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | jasoncohen: Just google for it. I detest packages in general so I wouldn't know what it is in :) |
| [19:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | I just put in www.phaze.org/mythtv |
| [19:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can grab it from there |
| [19:33:00] | Heph: | gratuit: I'd try turning down the audio inputs, like mic, etc, if you have not already |
| [19:34:00] | gratuit: | Heph: I was googleing and found something with the ivtv drivers, so I might check that out |
| [19:34:00] | Rigga: | Hi, can anyone help me with a problem with grabbing UK tv listings? |
| [19:34:00] | gratuit: | Heph: though I'll give that a go too |
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| [19:34:00] | Heph: | gratuit: I'm having problems with a pvr150, trying to get audio from the cable tv input |
| [19:35:00] | Rigga: | how do i get a channel to appear in the guide that there are no listings for and stop xmltv assigning what appears to be random channels to it? |
| [19:36:00] | gratuit: | Heph: what ivtv driver have you been using? |
| [19:36:00] | Rigga: | i.e. there is a channel called musicians channel that has no listings so in my xmltv config i put 333, The Musicians Channel, however when I load it in the guide shows a sports channel data rather than leaving it blank |
| [19:36:00] | Heph: | 0.2.0_rc3 |
| [19:37:00] | Rigga: | anyone? |
| [19:37:00] | Rigga: | this has been driving me nuts for days |
| [19:37:00] | jasoncohen: | GreyFoxx, thanks |
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| [19:38:00] | gratuit: | Heph: yeah that's the one I'm using, I get audio, just has a whining sound sometimes, you could try the devel release |
| [19:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | jasoncohen: np. I keep an archive of the source to every thing I've downloaded over the last 7 years :) |
| [19:38:00] | Rigga: | anyone got time to help me? |
| [19:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | every app, all versions |
| [19:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:38:00] | Heph: | gratuit: I'd love to see how your config is setup, but I'm not sure the best way to do that |
| [19:39:00] | jasoncohen: | GreyFoxx, btw, do you still have that configuration file xine & mplayer to allow easy controls using the niveus remote in mythtv? |
| [19:39:00] | Rigga: | am i invisible? |
| [19:39:00] | Rigga: | :) |
| [19:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | same site, file input.conf is what I use with mplayer |
| [19:40:00] | Rigga: | can anyone see my text? |
| [19:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | For xine I have a customized version of the xine ui to allow me to map the same key to multiple functions based on what is going on when the button is pressed which I'm not distributing |
| [19:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | Rigga: I see it |
| [19:40:00] | Rigga: | thanks for acknowledging me, thought i had probs with irc – im new to it! |
| [19:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:42:00] | Heph: | gratuit: if you have a sec, could you compare these to your settings? http://pastebin.com/289181 |
| [19:42:00] | Rigga: | can anyone help me? |
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| [19:45:00] | Rigga: | anyone know much about XMLTV |
| [19:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | not me |
| [19:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | I knew very little back when I had to use it, even less now that I don't |
| [19:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | mode #xmltv |
| [19:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
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| [19:48:00] | Rigga: | whats mode #xmltv ? |
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| [19:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | that was meant to be /mode #xmltv when I checked to see if there was an #xmltv channel :) |
| [19:48:00] | Heph: | gratuit? |
| [19:49:00] | Rigga: | there isnt :( |
| [19:50:00] | Rigga: | this really sucks i just need to be able to load the listings and have it leave a channel blank if there are no listings for it, not put in another channels listing from christ knows where |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure he does, but he's not about to tell you |
| [19:57:00] | jasoncohen: | GreyFoxx, i apparently don't have a CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBDEV option. I just checked /usr/src/linux/.config |
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| [19:59:00] | jasoncohen: | GreyFoxx, perhaps because i have evdev as a module rather than built in |
| [20:00:00] | fryfrog: | comcast installed their dual tuner HD PVR today |
| [20:00:00] | fryfrog: | they missed 5 appointments, so instead of just getting a normal hd tuner my gf bitched and to appease her they gave us a dual tuner hd dvr |
| [20:03:00] | Rigga: | anyone here help with XMLTV |
| [20:05:00] | Esotericisms: | does mythtv record more (screen-size-wise) then what a tv normals shows when watching tv without using myth? (does that make sense?) |
| [20:05:00] | Esotericisms: | j-rod -> PM when you get a chance |
| [20:06:00] | fryfrog: | Esotericisms: sort of, yes. all tvs overscan |
| [20:06:00] | fryfrog: | they clip off a little of the outside of the signal |
| [20:06:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm .. ok |
| [20:06:00] | fryfrog: | you can use overscan settings to achieve the same thing |
| [20:07:00] | fryfrog: | its just that when you use a PC, overscan makes the pc less useful |
| [20:07:00] | Rigga: | ok i take it nobody here has used mythtv in the UK with sky digital |
| [20:07:00] | fryfrog: | with a tv signal, overscan makes it look better |
| [20:07:00] | fryfrog: | nah, just good old US cable here rigga :) |
| [20:07:00] | kormoc: | ooh, I'm sure there's someone in the uk with sky digital and a mythbox... somehwere... out there....over the rainbow... |
| [20:07:00] | Rigga: | lucky !! its a nightmare setting up the UK one... |
| [20:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | Rigga: You might find someone on the mailing list, or #dvb channek, if you are using a dvb card |
| [20:09:00] | riksta: | Rigga: i'm in the uk, whats the problem |
| [20:09:00] | Rigga: | im searching the mailing lists now...nothing so far... |
| [20:09:00] | Rigga: | ahh great!! |
| [20:09:00] | Rigga: | can we take this in a private chat box easier to read then |
| [20:09:00] | jasoncohen: | do i have to build EVDEV Into the kernel or can i use it as a module? |
| [20:09:00] | riksta: | if you must |
| [20:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | jason *shrug* |
| [20:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | read the docs |
| [20:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | try it both ways ? |
| [20:10:00] | jasoncohen: | currently i have it as a module. i don't want to recompile my kernel if i dont' have to |
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| [20:12:00] | maniacxs: | Hi |
| [20:13:00] | maniacxs: | GreyFoxx: Do you have now some time? |
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| [20:24:00] | Bachus9000: | When recording at 640x480, I'm noticing that, while playing back the show, a line or two of the picture along the top of the screen is out of sync with the rest of the picture. Those lines are part of the image, but are offset to the left or right a bit. |
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| [20:37:00] | Gumby: | does anyone here know which table in the db I need to purge so I can rerun mythfilldatabase to repopulate the table. All my shows are apearing an hour earlier than they should be. |
| [20:38:00] | opello: | 'program' |
| [20:38:00] | Gumby: | and would you possibly be able to help with the mysql syntax in removing the data? |
| [20:39:00] | kormoc: | DELETE * FROM program; |
| [20:39:00] | Gumby: | excellent thank you |
| [20:39:00] | opello: | actually DELETE FROM program |
| [20:41:00] | Gumby: | if my db populates and I am still an hour behind any idea how to fix that? Ive went to the general section of mythtv-setup and set the time offset to +0100. If that doesnt fix it I have no idea |
| [20:41:00] | Gumby: | my time and data is set properly |
| [20:41:00] | Gumby: | data/date |
| [20:41:00] | opello: | which version of mythtv? |
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| [20:42:00] | Gumby: | 0.17–4 |
| [20:42:00] | opello: | which distro? |
| [20:43:00] | opello: | and which version of qt? |
| [20:44:00] | BaZiL: | anyone know howto solve the problem when ivtv suddenly dies ... i cant watch tellie nomore .. and i cant record . this happend when i tryed to auto upgrade with apt-get install mythtv-suite last week .. |
| [20:45:00] | opello: | well, you're probably using qt 3.3.4 or better, and that's the problem ... so you need to update myth, downgrade qt to 3.3.3, or recompile your mythtv with the patch |
| [20:45:00] | BaZiL: | opello .. answer to me or someone else ;) |
| [20:45:00] | BaZiL: | ? |
| [20:45:00] | opello: | to Gumby |
| [20:45:00] | opello: | sorry :) |
| [20:45:00] | BaZiL: | k |
| [20:45:00] | BaZiL: | np |
| [20:46:00] | Gumby: | on my backend I am using knoppmyth. it looks like qt is 3.4–3 |
| [20:46:00] | opello: | try upgrading mythtv to 0.18 |
| [20:46:00] | Gumby: | will do |
| [20:46:00] | ** Gumby crosses fingers ** | |
| [20:47:00] | opello: | mind you, you'll have to update your plugins too then |
| [20:48:00] | Gumby: | I had this all working before without issue |
| [20:48:00] | opello: | before daylight savings time :) |
| [20:49:00] | Gumby: | I re-ran mythtv-setup as suggested to repopulate my programs and it broke it all. |
| [20:49:00] | Gumby: | even after dst it worked |
| [20:49:00] | opello: | hrm |
| [20:49:00] | Gumby: | it only stopped working properly yesterday |
| [20:49:00] | opello: | i figured that was the problem, i could be wrong |
| [20:49:00] | Gumby: | I cant remember what I had originally done to get it to work. |
| [20:49:00] | Gumby: | I have heard of the qt problem before though |
| [20:49:00] | opello: | changed to a crazy timezone? |
| [20:50:00] | Gumby: | Icant remember what I did to fix it before. it was quite awhile ago |
| [20:50:00] | BaZiL: | opelllo .. do u know if there is a version for fedora out for newest myth ? |
| [20:52:00] | opello: | seems to be on atrpms |
| [20:52:00] | opello: | http://atrpms.net/dist/fc3/mythtv/ |
| [20:52:00] | opello: | just checked fc3, you can look on your own for fc1/2/4 |
| [20:52:00] | opello: | :) |
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| [20:53:00] | BaZiL: | thanks |
| [20:54:00] | BaZiL: | how about ivtv .. do i need to upgrade that one also ? since it looks like that one is the one not working ? |
| [20:54:00] | BaZiL: | and .. if i rum this rpm .. does that install on standard place .. or is there any risk for me damagin somethin with trying to run this ? |
| [20:56:00] | opello: | i don't know much about rpms |
| [20:56:00] | opello: | i've made 1 and it didn't work (it was for something else) and i've used yum to install stuff; other than that my redhat/fedora experience is nil |
| [20:56:00] | Beirdo: | mmmm. rum |
| [20:56:00] | Beirdo: | dance, rummy! |
| [20:59:00] | ChanServ sets mode +o Beirdo | |
| [21:00:00] | Beirdo sets mode -b *!*@*.sli.la.charter.com | |
| [21:00:00] | Beirdo sets mode -o Beirdo | |
| [21:00:00] | Beirdo: | looks like it was a different IP after all, but it kept the nuisance out. |
| [21:01:00] | ** iggy gets ready to remove ivtv from portage ** | |
| [21:01:00] | opello: | uh-oh? |
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| [21:01:00] | opello: | wow, that was fast |
| [21:01:00] | BMOC: | Esotericisms: you there? |
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| [21:02:00] | BMOC: | anyone using a pvr-150? |
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| [21:03:00] | BMOC: | livetv works for a few seconds, then cheeses out with tons of 2005-05–24 15:03:38.574 prebuffer wait timed out.. 2005-05–24 15:03:38.574 waiting for prebuffer... |
| [21:04:00] | iggy: | I'm just tired of maintaining it, and constantly hearing people bitch about everything |
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| [21:04:00] | opello: | oh |
| [21:04:00] | iggy: | I have only once had someone submit fixes, and they were total shit |
| [21:06:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:06:00] | Beirdo: | see if Cardoe wants to take over for ya |
| [21:06:00] | Beirdo: | what, people bitching? say it isn't so! |
| [21:07:00] | opello: | lol |
| [21:07:00] | opello: | what else is new? :) |
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| [21:07:00] | iggy: | Beirdo: I don't think he has ivtv cards |
| [21:08:00] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [21:09:00] | iggy: | plus he has enough whiny users and shitty upstream to deal with |
| [21:09:00] | laga: | well, i guess it's quite hard to main ivtv, they 'release early and often' ;) |
| [21:10:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [21:10:00] | Mrgoose: | hello |
| [21:10:00] | Beirdo: | you coulda waited to see if you were interrupting, Mrgoose :) |
| [21:10:00] | BMOC: | iggy: what project are you referring to? |
| [21:11:00] | Beirdo: | BMOC: use your scrollback |
| [21:11:00] | BMOC: | Beirdo: it never showed, just that he said iggy: I'm just tired of maintaining it |
| [21:11:00] | BMOC: | i wasn't in here before that |
| [21:11:00] | Beirdo: | or the channel logs |
| [21:12:00] | iggy: | I thought you banned him |
| [21:13:00] | Mrgoose: | sup |
| [21:13:00] | Beirdo: | it wasn't him being the dick last night actually |
| [21:13:00] | Mrgoose: | any idea why some of my green's show up as red in myth? |
| [21:13:00] | xris: | test |
| [21:13:00] | Mrgoose: | test what |
| [21:13:00] | Beirdo: | likely his neigbor. Everyone in Slidell area must have issues. :) |
| [21:13:00] | BMOC: | it was a sli.charter.net person? |
| [21:13:00] | iggy: | Beirdo: however he convinced you of that... you are a sucker |
| [21:13:00] | xris: | we lost power here for a sec. looks like IRC is more robust than IM. |
| [21:13:00] | BMOC: | iggy: i have the same IP i had the last time i was in this channel. |
| [21:13:00] | Beirdo: | I looked at the IPs in the logs, they were different |
| [21:14:00] | iggy: | they were the same |
| [21:14:00] | Beirdo: | go back and look again, dude. :) |
| [21:14:00] | Beirdo: | we do have channel logs :) |
| [21:18:00] | iggy: | that guys hostmask showed up in my logs before for something then |
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| [21:18:00] | Beirdo: | that's likely. :) |
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| [21:19:00] | Beirdo: | but whatever, we should be OK... as long as BMOC behaves... *ahem* |
| [21:19:00] | iggy: | I still have him /ignore'ed |
| [21:19:00] | Beirdo: | yup, your prerogative :) |
| [21:19:00] | Beirdo: | how ever the hell that's spelled |
| [21:20:00] | BaZiL: | file /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources from install of atrpms-package-config-92–1.rhfc2.at conflicts with file from package up2date-4.3.19–1 <---------- what does this errormsg mean ? |
| [21:20:00] | Beirdo: | did you READ it? |
| [21:20:00] | BaZiL: | ya .. but i dont under stand what to do about it |
| [21:21:00] | Beirdo: | ah, that's different |
| [21:21:00] | BaZiL: | i understand there is a confligt .. but .. what am i suppose to do about it .. got the msg when i ran apt-get upgrade mythtv-suite |
| [21:21:00] | Beirdo: | you curse the repository |
| [21:22:00] | BaZiL: | how can i check if ivtv is working ? .. is there some command like service ivtv start or somethin ive missed .. |
| [21:22:00] | Beirdo: | other than that... |
| [21:22:00] | Beirdo: | do you use up2date? |
| [21:22:00] | BaZiL: | not even sure what up2date is.. i only typed apt-get upgrade mythtv-suite command |
| [21:23:00] | Gumby: | does anyone know a way to get aroung the qt problem with time offset and daylight savings? I had mine working fine but then ran mythtv-setup and it's broken again and for the life of me I cant remember what I had done before |
| [21:23:00] | opello: | use the Beirdo solution :) |
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| [21:24:00] | Beirdo: | BaZiL: if you don't use up2date.... rpm -e up2date |
| [21:24:00] | Gumby: | what's that? upgrade mythtv or downgrade qt? |
| [21:24:00] | Beirdo: | then try again |
| [21:24:00] | opello: | (change timezones) |
| [21:24:00] | Beirdo: | that's not my solution, opello |
| [21:24:00] | opello: | Beirdo: i seem to remember you adamantly telling me to do that :) |
| [21:24:00] | Beirdo: | set your timezone correctly, then either upgrade your mythtv or downgrade qt |
| [21:24:00] | Beirdo: | hell no |
| [21:25:00] | BaZiL: | beirdo .. i got this failed dependencies then |
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| [21:25:00] | opello: | some place in the virgin islands, or canada... heh |
| [21:25:00] | BMOC: | Beirdo: you have pvr-250? |
| [21:25:00] | Beirdo: | yes, dammit |
| [21:26:00] | BMOC: | http://pastebin.com/289247 |
| [21:26:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [21:26:00] | BMOC: | you won't even look?:) |
| [21:26:00] | Beirdo: | I looked |
| [21:26:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
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| [21:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | fem: A lot :) |
| [21:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
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| [21:27:00] | BMOC: | Beirdo: what mailing list should i use for pvr-150 mce issues, ivtv-dev or myth? |
| [21:28:00] | j-rod: | ivtv card, ivtv list |
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| [21:29:00] | Beirdo: | that was a bit too obvious, BMOC |
| [21:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Total : 578940 |
| [21:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Total #'s Added : 1220 |
| [21:29:00] | BMOC: | no, i didn't know which would better know how to deal w/the issue |
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| [21:29:00] | BMOC: | gmplayer /dev/video0 works until i move at all, and then it crashes |
| [21:30:00] | Beirdo: | so sit still, dammit |
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| [21:31:00] | BMOC: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1171&start=0 that guy has the issue w/pvr350 |
| [21:31:00] | BaZiL: | how do i check if ivtv is working as it should |
| [21:32:00] | BMOC: | BaZiL: type mythtv |
| [21:32:00] | BMOC: | :) |
| [21:33:00] | BaZiL: | nice answer . thanks .. really needed that with my problems here |
| [21:33:00] | BaZiL: | ' |
| [21:33:00] | opello: | not that it'd do anything anyway |
| [21:33:00] | BMOC: | BaZiL: err, isn't that what you want to do? |
| [21:33:00] | BMOC: | to see if it's working as it should, try to watch tv? |
| [21:34:00] | BaZiL: | hmmm .. good idea .. havent thought about that .. actually try to watch tellie ... |
| [21:34:00] | opello: | check your logs, look for errors |
| [21:34:00] | BMOC: | BaZiL: it's not outlandish to see if a tv card driver is "working as it should" by trying to watch tv |
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| [21:36:00] | Beirdo: | heya, bjohnson_ |
| [21:36:00] | Beirdo: | you have a dangling _ |
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| [21:42:00] | BMOC: | hmm, so it works in mplayer, just not in mythtv |
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| [21:53:00] | Beirdo: | home time |
| [21:53:00] | Mrgoose: | its only 4:53 |
| [21:54:00] | Mrgoose: | you have 7 more minutes |
| [21:54:00] | Gumby: | hrm, I just upgraded all my myth packages to 18–1 but when I try to watch livetv on the frontend it tells me the server is using network protocol 14 and the client only understands version 15. |
| [21:54:00] | Gumby: | any suggestions? |
| [21:54:00] | Beirdo: | fuck that, I'm going home |
| [21:54:00] | Gumby: | mythbackend and mythfrontend are the same version |
| [21:54:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, upgrade both the backend and the frontend |
| [21:54:00] | Beirdo: | no they aren't |
| [21:54:00] | Gumby: | synaptic is telling me they are... |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | you likely didn't restart the backend after the upgrade |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | I don't care what synaptic says :) |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm going home |
| [21:55:00] | Gumby: | dpkg -s says Version: 0.18–1 for both also |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | I don't care |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | restart the backend |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | and one of the fine folks here can help you |
| [21:58:00] | Gumby: | done, and no difference |
| [21:58:00] | ** Gumby waits for one of the fine folks to possibly lend a hand. ** | |
| [21:58:00] | Gumby: | mythvideo is 18–3. does that have any influence on livetv? |
| [21:59:00] | BMOC: | i wonder if the recent apt-get upgrade i did that updated mythtv is what screwed it up w/my pvr-150 |
| [21:59:00] | akira: | i can't get channels past 60? does anybody know what's up with that? if i plug it into my tv, i can get them, so it's not a signal issue. |
| [22:00:00] | Gumby: | akira: if you are using zap2it account do you have those channels set there? |
| [22:01:00] | j-rod: | dpkg -s libmyth ? |
| [22:01:00] | j-rod: | ^ Gumby |
| [22:01:00] | Gumby: | root@knoppmyth:~# dpkg -s libmyth-0.18 |grep Version |
| [22:01:00] | Gumby: | Version: 0.18–1 |
| [22:02:00] | Gumby: | I removed any other libmyth version |
| [22:02:00] | j-rod: | have you got source-installed stuff laying about somewhere? |
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| [22:03:00] | BMOC: | a killerbunny |
| [22:03:00] | Gumby: | all I have is what knoppmyth installed by default. And now what I have added manually via a mirror that was previously commented out in my sources.list |
| [22:03:00] | Gumby: | mythtv, mythtv-backend, mythtv-common, and mythtv-frontend are all version 0.18–1 |
| [22:03:00] | BMOC: | all my myth stuff is .18.1 |
| [22:04:00] | j-rod: | $ which mythbackend |
| [22:04:00] | j-rod: | $ which mythfrontend |
| [22:04:00] | Gumby: | mythvideo, mythnews, mythdvd etc are 0.18–3 |
| [22:04:00] | Gumby: | /usr/bin/mythbackend, /usr/bin/mythfrontend |
| [22:05:00] | j-rod: | $ strings /usr/bin/mythfrontend | grep "0\.1" |
| [22:05:00] | j-rod: | $ strings /usr/bin/mythbackend | grep "0\.1" |
| [22:05:00] | j-rod: | both say 0.18? |
| [22:05:00] | j-rod: | and you restarted the backend after the upgrade? |
| [22:06:00] | Gumby: | both are identical, and yes I did restart. complete stop then start |
| [22:06:00] | akira: | Gumby, i am using zap2it |
| [22:06:00] | j-rod: | I'd bounce the entire machine for good measure |
| [22:07:00] | j-rod: | double-check the path to mythbackend that your initscript is starting up too |
| [22:07:00] | j-rod: | bbiaw |
| [22:07:00] | Gumby: | DAEMON=/usr/bin/mythbackend |
| [22:08:00] | Gumby: | rebooting |
| [22:11:00] | Gumby: | well, a reboot fixed it |
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| [22:11:00] | Gumby: | hehe, but mythweb is all busted up |
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| [22:17:00] | maniacxs: | Someone here, who can help with freezing video in mythtv (recordings/livetv) |
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| [22:20:00] | BMOC: | maniacxs: pvr-150? |
| [22:20:00] | BMOC: | :) |
| [22:20:00] | twitchmax: | i seem to be having a problem with the tuner in my slave backend not showing up... any ideas? |
| [22:20:00] | maniacxs: | BMOC: pinnacle pctv sat |
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| [22:21:00] | maniacxs: | using for outout nvidia graphic card (TVout) |
| [22:21:00] | BMOC: | maniacxs: oh i had that |
| [22:22:00] | maniacxs: | how did you solve it? |
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| [22:27:00] | bartholomule: | I've been fighting with my hd3000 for quite a while. It was suggested that the 2.6.12 kernel be used for the cx88 drivers. Currently, I can see my card, check the signal level, and do almost everything except for recording. When trying to record, I get DMA messages dumped to my syslog. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| [22:28:00] | Mrgoose (~none@152.11.92.188) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [22:29:00] | BMOC: | ok, well, mplayer works with my ivtv card, so it's something w/mythtv |
| [22:31:00] | Gumby: | bartholomule: do you use a via chipset on your motherboard? |
| [22:32:00] | Gumby: | been known to have DMA issues in linux |
| [22:32:00] | bartholomule: | Nope... It's an intel 440GX (dual Xeon). |
| [22:32:00] | BMOC: | Gumby: hmm |
| [22:32:00] | BMOC: | really? |
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| [22:32:00] | BMOC: | how do i determine what chipset i have again? |
| [22:32:00] | BMOC: | yeah, i have via |
| [22:32:00] | BMOC: | i wonder if the fact that i am using via_agp/agpgart has anything to do with some video problems i am having |
| [22:36:00] | Gumby: | does anyone know if there is a mirror of the packages on dijkstra.csh.rit.edu repository? I just upgraded my backend using it and now I am trying to do my two frontends but I keep timing out on the same mirror now. |
| [22:36:00] | ** Gumby sighs ** | |
| [22:37:00] | Gumby: | things just arent going well today at all |
| [22:39:00] | laga: | Gumby: ack. |
| [22:39:00] | laga: | night. |
| [22:41:00] | Gumby: | I guess one out of three aint bad |
| [22:41:00] | Gumby: | lol |
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| [22:50:00] | lucas333: | join #ivtv-dev |
| [22:50:00] | lucas333: | oops :) |
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| [22:51:00] | j-rod: | Hm, I'd usually associate loss of hymen with fun, actually... |
| [22:52:00] | kormoc: | yeah, but you're a male :P |
| [22:53:00] | Raymond_Cool: | ko |
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| [23:03:00] | reel: | Gumby: one out of three is damn good if you're a baseball player |
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| [23:16:00] | EricAnderson: | hmm |
| [23:17:00] | EricAnderson: | is there other packages required for transcoding? |
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| [23:38:00] | Tr0gd0r: | anyone know if the hauppage Nexus works with digital cable TV? |
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| [23:52:00] | j-rod: | Gumby, if you got one updated, then grab the debs from your apt cache on that one over to the others |
| [23:52:00] | sunilonln2: | hey, i'm about to replace my old nvidia card with an ati one that has tv-out |
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| [23:53:00] | sunilonln2: | will fedora autoconfigure the vga port on it? |
| [23:53:00] | j-rod: | yes |
| [23:53:00] | sunilonln2: | ok |
| [23:53:00] | j-rod: | but why you would want to replace an nvidia card with an ati card for a myth box is beyond me. :) |
| [23:53:00] | sunilonln2: | i needed tv out |
| [23:53:00] | sunilonln2: | this was a cheap card |
| [23:54:00] | sunilonln2: | after that i would assume that i can use the ati binary drivers |
| [23:54:00] | Beirdo: | mmmm, new toy |
| [23:54:00] | j-rod: | a GF4MX is cheap too |
| [23:54:00] | sunilonln2: | $22 cheap? |
| [23:54:00] | ** j-rod dislikes ati... can you tell? :) ** | |
| [23:54:00] | Beirdo: | j-rod is biased... |
| [23:54:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:54:00] | sunilonln2: | yeah.. your website makes that pretty clear |
| [23:54:00] | j-rod: | not sure, I got an FX 5200 for $40 |
| [23:54:00] | j-rod: | ati *still* sucks for HD |
| [23:54:00] | Beirdo: | ATI should work fine for SDTV |
| [23:55:00] | sunilonln2: | sdtv is all i'm concerned about right now |
| [23:55:00] | j-rod: | it'll prolly work just fine then |
| [23:55:00] | j-rod: | but yeah, to make best use of its tv out, switch to the fglrx driver |
| [23:56:00] | Beirdo: | definitely :) |
| [23:57:00] | ** Beirdo is playing with his new film scanner ** | |
| [23:57:00] | sunilonln2: | ok, i'll check out fglrx |
| [23:57:00] | sunilonln2: | nvm, that's the ati proprietary driver, isn't it |
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| [23:57:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [23:57:00] | sunilonln2: | ok |
| [23:57:00] | sunilonln2: | wasn't familiar enough to know the acronym |
| [23:58:00] | Beirdo: | this reminds me... |
| [23:58:00] | Beirdo: | mark commercials in program and run nuvexport... dumbass |
| [23:59:00] | sunilonln2: | i take it that wasn't directed at me? |
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