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Saturday, May 21st, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] Beirdo: I'm sure you didn't read the README for mtd or mythdvd
[00:00:00] SarahEmm: normally there's a .sql file or somesuch you have to run against mythconverg to add a new table for the plugin
[00:00:00] SarahEmm: RTFR :)
[00:00:00] Beirdo: one or the other will cover that
[00:00:00] Shibz: oh
[00:00:00] simon_c: Sarah: yes, I figured it would be. I've now got two sound streams. with 1/2 seccond between them :-)
[00:00:00] ** simon_c is working on it. **
[00:00:00] Beirdo: if they were supposed to be ignored, they'd be called IGNOREME
[00:00:00] Shibz: lol i can't find them though
[00:01:00] Shibz: i type man mtd but there is no manual
[00:01:00] Beirdo: they'd be in the source dirs
[00:01:00] Shibz: there isnt a readme mtd command
[00:01:00] Shibz: thats somewhere in the /usr filder then?
[00:02:00] SarahEmm: untar the source tarball
[00:02:00] GeckoFiend: Shibz do you have the libraries needed for DVD playaback?
[00:02:00] SarahEmm: and read the file named README
[00:02:00] SarahEmm: GeckoFiend: it's likely a table missing, as the error says
[00:03:00] GeckoFiend: SarahEmm chances are if he has MythDVD installed properly then he's not missing the table
[00:03:00] Shibz: where are the tarballs at?
[00:03:00] Beirdo: oh JEEZ
[00:03:00] Shibz: do I have to download it?
[00:04:00] mchou: lol.
[00:04:00] mchou: this channel just gets more surreal.
[00:04:00] ** Beirdo goes to get some booze to help make it through the evening **
[00:04:00] SarahEmm: Shibz: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=mythdvd
[00:04:00] mchou: hehe....
[00:07:00] Shibz: heh i found it /usr/src/mythtv/source
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[00:07:00] Shibz: now... how do i extract the tarball =p j/k
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[00:09:00] Shibz: mtd also says " No css library available."
[00:09:00] SarahEmm: okay...
[00:09:00] SarahEmm: install one then
[00:09:00] SarahEmm: or you won't be able to play DVDs
[00:09:00] Shibz: libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[00:09:00] SarahEmm: right..
[00:09:00] SarahEmm: you have to install a CSS decryption library
[00:09:00] SarahEmm: that's likely your issue
[00:09:00] simon_c: HUmmm. I can't figure out how to mute the live sound, so I only here the recorded sound.
[00:10:00] simon_c: 'sOK. figured it out.
[00:10:00] simon_c: Stupid user time I think.
[00:10:00] Shibz: so thats libdvdcss
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[00:10:00] SarahEmm: Shibz: *nod*
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[00:11:00] Shibz: argh i did apt-get install libdvdcss
[00:11:00] Shibz: and i get this now
[00:11:00] Shibz: libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.8 for DVD access
[00:11:00] Shibz: libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss.
[00:11:00] Shibz: libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading
[00:12:00] SarahEmm: okay...
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[00:12:00] SarahEmm: do your permissions allow opening /dev/dvd for reading?
[00:12:00] SarahEmm: what if you cat /dev/dvd ?
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[00:12:00] dhofstra: heh love the google link sarah
[00:12:00] SarahEmm: dhofstra: heh :)
[00:12:00] Shibz: umm cat /dev/dvd screwed up my ssh client
[00:13:00] Shibz: err, nm
[00:13:00] Shibz:
[00:13:00] SarahEmm: hrm, okay...
[00:13:00] SarahEmm: that's as the user myth is running as?
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[00:14:00] Shibz: no, thats root
[00:14:00] kormoc: hey, I know that movie, tis a good movie! :P
[00:14:00] Shibz: cat: /dev/dvd: Permission denied
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[00:14:00] SarahEmm: okay...
[00:14:00] SarahEmm: fix your permissions.
[00:14:00] SarahEmm: this is basic unix stuff, not myth stuff.
[00:14:00] Shibz: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root cdrom 8 May 20 18:43 /dev/dvd -> /dev/hdc
[00:14:00] SarahEmm: and /dev/hdc?
[00:14:00] kormoc: fix the permissions on /dev/hdc
[00:15:00] Shibz: aah
[00:15:00] SarahEmm: *sighs*
[00:15:00] Shibz: I still get that error
[00:16:00] Shibz: brwxrwxrwx 1 root disk 22, 0 May 7 2004 /dev/hdc
[00:16:00] SarahEmm: uhh, that's not a good way to fix permissions first of all..
[00:16:00] SarahEmm: but if you cat /dev/dvd as the myth user, what happens now?
[00:17:00] Shibz: i get all that garble
[00:17:00] SarahEmm: okay..
[00:17:00] SarahEmm: what does mythdvd spit out now?
[00:17:00] dhofstra: brw-rw---- 1 lisadaveh users 22, 0 2004-04–06 08:27 /dev/hdc
[00:17:00] simon_c: Within myth, are there easy ways to a) split a program into mutiple files and b) bounce stuff to a DVD ?
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[00:18:00] Shibz: hmmm, mtd runs now under user, but not under root
[00:18:00] SarahEmm: but it works as the user?
[00:18:00] Shibz: hmm, now it does as root too
[00:18:00] Shibz: i didn't even do anything since it gave me the enied as root
[00:18:00] Shibz: i just did the cat and the mtd as user
[00:20:00] Shibz: ok, now I don't get any errors
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[00:34:00] j-rod: later all, time to get Canadian...
[00:34:00] j-rod is now known as j-rod|afk
[00:34:00] Beirdo: have fun, j-rod|afk
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[00:36:00] simon_c: Hi Again. Sorry about. strange crash.
[00:36:00] simon_c: Just wanted to say, Thanks for the help people. And, as a couple more questions again ;-)
[00:37:00] simon_c: a) is there an easy way to split a recording into two or more recordings ? and b) is there an easy way to burn recordings to DVD ?
[00:39:00] simon_c: it's all gone quiet again.
[00:39:00] Shibz: argh I still can't get it to work
[00:40:00] Beirdo: ask your parrot to help
[00:40:00] Shibz: 19:37:35: Error: DVDPerfectThread could not access this dvd device: /dev/dvd
[00:40:00] Shibz: 19:37:36: Final file name is not useable. File exists? Other Pending job?
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[00:40:00] SarahEmm: Shibz: i assume you've googled on the errors?
[00:40:00] Beirdo: I assume you've comprehended the errors?
[00:40:00] SarahEmm: hehe
[00:41:00] Shibz: i dunno it seems like there are 2 things wrong
[00:41:00] SarahEmm: did you google on either?
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[00:41:00] Shibz: it cant write to the movies folder for some reason and it cant read the dvd
[00:41:00] SarahEmm: have you googled on either error?
[00:41:00] Shibz: yes but i didn't find anything
[00:42:00] Shibz: i also read the readme
[00:43:00] Beirdo: have you checked the permissions on the output directory and made sure the output file doesn't already exist?
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[00:44:00] Shibz: drwxrwxr-x 3 root mythtv 4096 May 20 19:37 Movies
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[00:45:00] Shibz: dvd has same exact permissions
[00:45:00] simon_c: Humm. I'm trying to record from a video. I can see it on the screen, but when I press R, it says 'recording " " ' and then there's no indication that it's recording.
[00:45:00] Shibz: and dvd is completly empty
[00:45:00] Beirdo: and the output file?
[00:45:00] simon_c: if I press "esc" there's nothing rcorded.
[00:45:00] Shibz: it isn't there, shouldn't mtd create the output it's self
[00:46:00] Beirdo: you sure you are looking in the right directory too?
[00:46:00] Shibz: root@mythtv:/myth/tv/Movies/dvd#
[00:46:00] Beirdo: that means nothing
[00:47:00] Beirdo: check your setup
[00:47:00] Shibz: 19:44:49: job failed: job dvd 1 1 0 0 -1 /myth/tv/Movies/dvd/moviename
[00:47:00] Beirdo: OK
[00:47:00] Shibz: that is where its trying to put it i guess
[00:47:00] Beirdo: the permissiond on the Movies/dvd dir?
[00:47:00] Shibz: drwxrwxr-x root mythtv
[00:48:00] Shibz: for both of them
[00:48:00] Beirdo: dunno
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[00:52:00] Shibz: too bad mythtv isnt compatable with microsoft BOB
[00:52:00] Beirdo: thank GOD it isn't
[00:52:00] Shibz: heh
[00:53:00] SarahEmm: lol
[00:53:00] Shibz: hmmm, I switched to my mythtv user and I can write to the dvd directory fine
[00:54:00] simon_c: I think I must have my channels setup wrong. I've added a new Video Source for the svideo connector, but there seems to be no way to disable the "XMLTV Listings grabber". So mythdatabasefill is erroring out on me.
[00:55:00] SarahEmm: you don't want it grabbing TV listings at all?
[00:55:00] simon_c: Not for the svideo input, no. It's connected to my VCR
[00:56:00] SarahEmm: oh heh.
[00:57:00] SarahEmm: i'm not sure.. i only have one input, conneted to cable
[00:57:00] simon_c: Thanks anyway.
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[00:58:00] Shibz: hmmm
[00:59:00] fatmatt: yuh
[00:59:00] Shibz: i opened/closed my cd tray and now its doing something
[00:59:00] fatmatt: anyone here from brisbane?
[00:59:00] Beirdo: simon_c: you need to mess with the database directly
[00:59:00] Shibz: it made a file in my dvd folder
[00:59:00] simon_c: Ahhh.
[01:00:00] Shibz: but shouldn't it make a folder?
[01:00:00] Shibz: with the VIDEO_TS stuff in it?
[01:00:00] simon_c: Will that be why it's not recording ?
[01:00:00] Beirdo: how the hell should we know, read the README, Shibz
[01:00:00] Beirdo: :)
[01:00:00] Beirdo: simon_c: possibly
[01:00:00] simon_c: or maybe it is recording, and I just can't tell, and don't know how to tell it to save it before pressing ESC
[01:00:00] Beirdo: you need to change the grabber for that source to NULL
[01:01:00] simon_c: Any pointers on exactly how to mess with the database ?
[01:01:00] Shibz: heh I did read the readme but it says nothing about my situation
[01:01:00] Beirdo: it's in the mailing list or something, I remember finding it before
[01:01:00] fatmatt: I use phpmyadmin
[01:01:00] simon_c: I'll have a rummage around. thanks
[01:02:00] Beirdo: phpmyadmin makes it simpler to modify stuff for sure
[01:02:00] fatmatt: heyas Beirdo hows it going?
[01:02:00] fatmatt: yeah, I'm into simple
[01:02:00] Beirdo: I'm into vodka :)
[01:02:00] Beirdo: hehe
[01:03:00] Shibz: heh last time I tried installing phpmyadmin i screwed up my linux
[01:03:00] Beirdo: I should go watch that last Water Rats sometime
[01:04:00] fatmatt: I'm trying to work out how to get the richmond/brisbane game tonight. Bastards aren't showing it in Melbourne but its on in Brisbane
[01:05:00] Beirdo: heh
[01:05:00] Beirdo: couldn't help ya
[01:05:00] ** fatmatt rants about #9 & 10 **
[01:05:00] Shibz: well, i guess that it is working
[01:05:00] Beirdo: pick up some cute Aussie chicks while you're out
[01:05:00] Shibz: the size of the file just went from 10mb to 1500mb
[01:06:00] simon_c: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
[01:06:00] simon_c: Database error was:
[01:06:00] simon_c: You have an error in your SQL syntax;
[01:06:00] simon_c: it looks like it is a problem with my channels.
[01:06:00] simon_c: thanks
[01:08:00] simon_c: Beirdo: Any idea *when* you remember seeing that on the lists?
[01:09:00] Beirdo: heh, like a year or more ago
[01:09:00] simon_c: Thanks.
[01:10:00] Beirdo: gimme a sec. if you have phpmyadmin, it will be easier
[01:10:00] Beirdo: OK
[01:11:00] Beirdo: in the videosource table
[01:11:00] Beirdo: find the source, change xmltvgrabber to NULL
[01:11:00] Beirdo: so...
[01:11:00] Beirdo: mysql -u mythtv -p
[01:12:00] Beirdo: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[01:12:00] Beirdo: oops
[01:12:00] Beirdo: then select * from videosource;
[01:12:00] Beirdo: then
[01:12:00] Beirdo: update videosource set xmltvgrabber = NULL where sourceid = blah;
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[01:13:00] Beirdo: replace blah with the matching sourceid from the select
[01:13:00] fatmatt: umm, Beirdo, whats the bug your fixing here?
[01:13:00] Beirdo: then quit;
[01:13:00] Beirdo: he's trying to have the svideo as a source with no guide (attached to the VCR)
[01:14:00] fatmatt: ahh, okay
[01:14:00] fatmatt: thought maybe it had something to do with a minor prob I have, but not
[01:14:00] Beirdo: heh, no
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[01:15:00] fatmatt: tv_grab_au and the database update sometimes inserts extra channels into the channel table somehow
[01:15:00] Beirdo: couldn't say :)
[01:15:00] fatmatt: yah, np
[01:15:00] fatmatt: are you running 0.18_1?
[01:16:00] Beirdo: nah, CVS from HEAD currently
[01:16:00] fatmatt: I like the deb packages,
[01:16:00] Beirdo: should switch branches sometime
[01:17:00] fatmatt: how stable is it? is there much stuffing around when you upgrade?
[01:17:00] Beirdo: not that I know of
[01:20:00] ** Beirdo ywans **
[01:20:00] Beirdo: errr
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[01:21:00] Beirdo: NP: Adam Sandler – Ode to My Car
[01:22:00] Beirdo: piece of shit car!
[01:22:00] Beirdo: it sucks royal dick!
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[01:24:00] darkfire: ok, so, i finally got the TV-out on my PVR-350 working, and mythtv runs the UI and the TV on it very well, but, whenever i change focus in one of the apps on the computer, a black box appears over the TV image on the television. any thoughts?
[01:24:00] simon_c: Beirdo: Found another referance on the mailling lists from a couple of years ago, saying it's not worth trying to do this with myth :-(
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[01:24:00] Beirdo: simon_c: it works fine
[01:24:00] Beirdo: I have my VCR hooked up
[01:24:00] Beirdo: and you need to create a channel on that source as well
[01:25:00] Beirdo: maybe it was on mythtvtalk.com
[01:25:00] simon_c: Ahh. Thanks for that.
[01:27:00] darkfire: these 'support' channels confuse me. did someone somewhere decide that it was bad form to say "I don't know what that is" ? the general response i get is dead silence, no positive or negative responses.
[01:28:00] Beirdo: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[01:28:00] SarahEmm: as long as you've googled the issue and Rd T FM, i'm usually happy to help, *if* i have any ideas
[01:28:00] SarahEmm: if you haven't done those two, i'll usually not be as pleasant :)
[01:29:00] Beirdo: darkfire: many many of us don't have 350s
[01:29:00] Beirdo: do you really need 124 people saying "I don't know" to every question?
[01:29:00] darkfire: Beirdo, nope, but one would be nice.
[01:29:00] SarahEmm: i don't know :)
[01:29:00] SarahEmm: i do software encoding, no PVR-xxx cards for me.
[01:29:00] darkfire: ty :)
[01:29:00] Beirdo: if you get no response it's because nobody who's around can help (or will if they can)
[01:29:00] Beirdo: for whatever reason
[01:30:00] Beirdo: you'll get used to it
[01:30:00] darkfire: ::shrug:: i know WHY i get no response, it's still unsettling
[01:30:00] Beirdo: you'll get used to it
[01:30:00] darkfire: so i hear
[01:31:00] SarahEmm: i'm also multitasking between here and my own stuff, trying to fight with an asterisk config :)
[01:31:00] SarahEmm: so i'm only semi-watching
[01:31:00] Beirdo: oh no...
[01:31:00] Beirdo: SarahEmm is getting sucked into asterisk too? :)
[01:31:00] Beirdo: hehe
[01:31:00] darkfire: heh, i got asterisk working just enough to convince me that i didnt need to mess with asterisk
[01:32:00] Beirdo: asterisk rules
[01:32:00] SarahEmm: oh, i've been playing with it for a year or two
[01:32:00] SarahEmm: i'm finally deploying it
[01:32:00] SarahEmm: i'm fighting with the TDD/TTY AGI trying to get it to receive text...
[01:32:00] darkfire: heh, i know, it looks very powerful, flexible, and applicable. all reasons i dont need to get sucked int
[01:32:00] darkfire: in
[01:32:00] Beirdo: hahah
[01:33:00] Beirdo: TDD... I doubt many people can help you much with that.
[01:33:00] Beirdo: it would be cool if you can get it working though
[01:33:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: yeah, i'm mostly on my own filtering through source.
[01:33:00] SarahEmm: much like VBI :P
[01:33:00] simon_c: Beirdo: Can you remember what you used to search ? vhs composit1 ? or something else.
[01:33:00] Beirdo: heh, yeah
[01:33:00] SarahEmm: evidently TLAs are a pain.
[01:33:00] Beirdo: simon_c: I think likely something about connecting the VCR
[01:34:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: there *is* evidently support for it, but i can only make sending work
[01:34:00] SarahEmm: (that part works well tho)
[01:34:00] simon_c: vcr !! Thanks I'll trythat one :-)
[01:34:00] Beirdo: well that's cool as a start, SarahEmm
[01:35:00] Beirdo: how does it do it, just sends to the gateways, or does it do text->voice on the send path?
[01:35:00] SarahEmm: well this is over the zap channel, so you use the send_text command and it spits out 45baud baudot on the phone line
[01:35:00] Beirdo: hahah
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[01:36:00] Beirdo: OK, so it goes to a TDD device only
[01:36:00] Beirdo: gotcha
[01:36:00] lioux: hi, I would like to know if there is a preferred (ppl know is good and it's cheap) usb ir transmitter that would work with lirc and mythv. I want my computer to be able to control the satellite decoder. I think a usb (can't use serial) ir transmitter would be best. I don't care much about also having a IR receiver for remote controlling the computer. I want cheap but good is 1st priority
[01:36:00] lioux: I am aware of irboy-usb but I can't buy all the parts. I live in Brazil. The motorola IC is hard to get by. I couldn't find it in my city
[01:36:00] Beirdo: what interface would you use to send from? telnet window?
[01:36:00] Beirdo: lioux: maybe go look at lirc's site
[01:37:00] SarahEmm: hahah?
[01:37:00] SarahEmm: *confused*
[01:37:00] SarahEmm: i'm not sure yet. telnet would be one way at least because it'd mean i can connect in from my blackberry and make calls without carrying a portable tty :)
[01:37:00] SarahEmm: just over telnet.
[01:37:00] Beirdo: SarahEmm: how would an asterisk user enter the text to send out the TDD?
[01:37:00] Beirdo: ahh
[01:38:00] SarahEmm: it's done in scripting, so it's up to whoever programs the interface.
[01:38:00] SarahEmm: one way will be telnet, prolly put a web interface together too
[01:38:00] Beirdo: you're a crazy woman :)
[01:38:00] SarahEmm: yep!
[01:38:00] SarahEmm: i like technology :)
[01:38:00] SarahEmm: and if technology can make my life easier, great :)
[01:38:00] Beirdo: for sure
[01:39:00] Beirdo: and that particular technology should make your life easier
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[01:40:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: asterisk?
[01:40:00] Beirdo: well, TDD over asterisk
[01:40:00] Beirdo: hehe
[01:42:00] Shibz: ok, the dvd ripping thing worked I think
[01:42:00] Shibz: it gave me a VOB file
[01:43:00] Shibz: a 6.7GB VOB file
[01:43:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: ahh. yeah, it'd be nifty to just use my laptop or whatever machine i happen to be sitting at :)
[01:44:00] Beirdo: yeah, would be neat
[01:45:00] Shibz: hmmm, the FM says " You may also transcode the DVD content from MPEG-2 to other formats which should greatly reduce the amount of space the DVD material takes up on your hard drive." but it doesn't say how to do it
[01:45:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: plus being able to do tty or voice in my mailbox would be nifty :)
[01:45:00] Beirdo: :)
[01:45:00] SarahEmm: asterisk is nifty.
[01:45:00] SarahEmm: as is myth!
[01:45:00] Beirdo: yup
[01:45:00] Beirdo: too bad mythphone blows
[01:46:00] SarahEmm: but my myth setup is now all up and working and i'm not touching it this week except from the user-end ;)
[01:46:00] Beirdo: heh
[01:46:00] Beirdo: don't fix what ain't broke
[01:46:00] Beirdo: I'm tempted to completely rebuild mine
[01:46:00] Beirdo: AMD64, 2*PVR500...
[01:46:00] Beirdo: mmmm
[01:46:00] SarahEmm: mmmm.
[01:47:00] Beirdo: but that would require a new case as the AMD64 mobo i really want is full ATX
[01:47:00] Beirdo: so I'm considering a Silverstone LC10
[01:47:00] Beirdo: using an Antec Aria right now
[01:47:00] Beirdo: which is microATX only
[01:49:00] SarahEmm: mmmm.
[01:49:00] SarahEmm: err
[01:49:00] SarahEmm: oops
[01:49:00] Beirdo: heh
[01:50:00] Beirdo: so AMD64 3200 (so I can do HDTV soon)
[01:50:00] Beirdo: mmmm
[01:50:00] Beirdo: and it will be WAY cooler than the Sempron 2800
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[01:52:00] EricAnderson: Is there a reason why irxevent wouldnt be working when I have what appears to be a very valid config file??
[01:52:00] Shibz: I have a sempron 2600 in my comp now and its slow
[01:53:00] ** SarahEmm 's backend is a celeron 1.7, frontends are anything from a duron 700 to a P-M 1700 **
[01:54:00] shadh0e: so Im thinking about installing mythtv on my media pc, but Im not real familiar with linux. any suggestion about which distro I should use?
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[01:54:00] Shibz: my backend is a p4 1.7ghz
[01:54:00] Shibz: is that too slow for recording 2 streams at once?
[01:54:00] Shibz: the FM says it isn't, but it is still choppy
[01:54:00] Shibz: I have PVR-500 tuner in it
[01:55:00] SarahEmm: that's hardware encoding, that should be fine...
[01:55:00] SarahEmm: DMA is on on your hard drive?
[01:55:00] Shibz: i think
[01:55:00] Shibz: they are PATA
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[01:56:00] mirak: I have 1 giga of memory
[01:57:00] mirak: is there a way to use bigger buffers ?
[01:57:00] SarahEmm: Shibz: test, don't just 'think' :)
[01:57:00] SarahEmm: run hdparm on it
[01:58:00] mirak: I/O on the hard drives are badly handled imho
[01:58:00] mirak: on linux
[01:58:00] mirak: not that they are well handled on windows either
[01:58:00] mirak: but there is no queuing
[01:58:00] Shibz: /dev/hda:
[01:58:00] Shibz: using_dma = 1 (on)
[01:58:00] Beirdo: mirak: huh?
[01:59:00] Beirdo: WTF are you on?
[01:59:00] SarahEmm: okay..
[01:59:00] SarahEmm: i dunno then, as i don't use a PVR card :)
[01:59:00] Cardoe: Shibz: the fact that your system is double the specs of mine
[01:59:00] Cardoe: and I can record 2 streams at once
[01:59:00] Cardoe: 1 of them being hardware encoded
[01:59:00] Cardoe: and one bttv
[01:59:00] Beirdo: IDE is IDE, and Linux does a way better job of I/O to IDE drives than Winblows
[01:59:00] Shibz: i only have 256mb of ram in it
[01:59:00] Cardoe: tells me that you've had it configured wrong
[01:59:00] Cardoe: I meant mirak
[01:59:00] mirak: Beirdo: do I say the opposite ?
[02:00:00] Cardoe: mirak: what distro?
[02:00:00] Shibz: I would have 512, but stupid Dell's FM isn't accurate, said i needed ECC ram when i didn't
[02:00:00] mirak: Cardoe: ubuntu
[02:00:00] Cardoe: mirak: well fix it
[02:00:00] mirak: Cardoe: fix what ?
[02:00:00] Cardoe: your setup.
[02:00:00] Beirdo: there is no queuing because the IDE drives don't support it
[02:00:00] Cardoe: and stop bitching about quality.
[02:00:00] Beirdo: it has nothing to do with Linux
[02:00:00] mirak: Beirdo: ok
[02:00:00] Beirdo: S-ATA added queueing
[02:01:00] Beirdo: or you can use SCSI drives
[02:01:00] Cardoe: freaking A
[02:01:00] Beirdo: but IDE doesn't support it.
[02:01:00] Cardoe: since IDE is really a sub-set of SCSI commands
[02:01:00] Cardoe: if you think about it
[02:01:00] mirak: the point is just that it's almost impossible to use the front end with amule :)
[02:01:00] Beirdo: uhhh, no
[02:01:00] Beirdo: IDE isn't related to SCSI
[02:01:00] mirak: on my config of course
[02:01:00] Cardoe: mirak: fix it
[02:02:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: yes it is.
[02:02:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: look at the specs
[02:02:00] Beirdo: ATAPI is a subset of SCSI over IDE
[02:02:00] Cardoe: freaking A
[02:02:00] Cardoe: that's what I meant
[02:02:00] Beirdo: I've implemented IDE in hardware
[02:02:00] ** Cardoe grins. **
[02:02:00] Shibz: should my 1.7ghz p4 be able to do the auto-commercial flagging?
[02:02:00] Cardoe: either way.
[02:02:00] Cardoe: Shibz: yes
[02:02:00] Beirdo: IDE is in no way related to SCSI :)
[02:02:00] Beirdo: :)
[02:02:00] Beirdo: but I knew what you were trying to get at
[02:02:00] Cardoe: either way...
[02:02:00] Cardoe: fix your crap peoples.
[02:03:00] mirak: what could fix it is a better alternance between amule hard drive acces and mythtv acces, so there is less moving of the heads
[02:03:00] mirak: but that's impossible to do
[02:03:00] Beirdo: Shibz: I used to make do on an Athlon XP 1800
[02:03:00] Cardoe: My P3 1ghz w/ 512mb RAM & 80gb w/ PVR-250 and WinTV (bttv) can record two streams.
[02:03:00] Beirdo: you should be fine
[02:03:00] Cardoe: While serving up a Gentoo subversion repository.
[02:03:00] mirak: this kind of concurrency isn't handled at all
[02:03:00] mirak: or maybe, but I don't know how to
[02:04:00] Cardoe: why are you so worried about amule and mythtv moving the heads?
[02:04:00] Beirdo: mirak: you must have crap drives if they are too slow for you :)
[02:04:00] mirak: maybe there is a way to set hard drives acces for process round robin
[02:04:00] Cardoe: if it's really that slow.
[02:04:00] mirak: or something I don't know
[02:04:00] Cardoe: mirak: how about this.
[02:04:00] Beirdo: why would you want to?
[02:04:00] mirak: I don't know how it's handled
[02:04:00] Cardoe: send the system to me
[02:04:00] Beirdo: the OS deals with it all
[02:04:00] mirak: but this can probably be changed
[02:04:00] Cardoe: mirak: how about this
[02:04:00] Cardoe: mirak: hdparm -tT /dev/hda
[02:04:00] mirak: Beirdo: the os as not adaptative settings
[02:05:00] Cardoe: and paste the 2 lines here
[02:05:00] mirak: Cardoe: ok I check that
[02:05:00] Cardoe: mirak: and stop your crazy thoughts.
[02:05:00] Beirdo: send Cardoe your machine and he'll fix it for you and ship it back in 10 years
[02:05:00] SarahEmm: you should *not* have to mess with any of that stuff.
[02:05:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: 8
[02:05:00] simon_c: I give up.
[02:05:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: and who said anything about fix?
[02:05:00] simon_c: It's 2am, and I really need some sleap.
[02:05:00] Cardoe: simon_c: good. leave.
[02:05:00] Beirdo: shhh
[02:05:00] Cardoe: :-D
[02:05:00] Shibz: hmmm, my mtd doesn't start up by default when I restart my system. I made a script for it in init.d and added using update-rc.d, but it doesn't load
[02:05:00] mirak: Cardoe: I can send you a powermac
[02:05:00] simon_c: cath you later.
[02:05:00] Beirdo: simon_c: have a good sleep
[02:05:00] Cardoe: simon_c: I mean. try again.
[02:06:00] Cardoe: Shibz: what distro?
[02:06:00] simon_c: beirdo: If you remember any more about that article that will help me find it.
[02:06:00] simon_c: .....
[02:06:00] mirak: I am not crazy
[02:06:00] Shibz: knoppmyth
[02:06:00] mirak: this town sucks
[02:06:00] Cardoe: mirak: you are.
[02:06:00] Beirdo: it's buried somewhere
[02:06:00] mirak: people sucks
[02:06:00] Cardoe: I'll run MythTV on a power mac.
[02:06:00] mirak: in this town
[02:06:00] mirak: damn it
[02:06:00] Beirdo: mirak: you are crazy :)
[02:06:00] mirak: why the hell am I here
[02:06:00] simon_c: I can find lots of people asking how to do it, but no answers.
[02:06:00] Cardoe: mirak: I'll make your powermac with MythTV run circles around you.
[02:06:00] mirak: it's my last year of studiy
[02:06:00] Cardoe: mirak: gimme that hdparm output
[02:06:00] simon_c: other than use a haupage 2500 and use cat.
[02:06:00] mirak: Cardoe: wait I am checking the man
[02:07:00] Beirdo: simon_c: it's easy
[02:07:00] Beirdo: sigh
[02:07:00] Beirdo: I'll see if I can find it
[02:07:00] mirak: Cardoe: sorry I have a record that just started
[02:07:00] Beirdo: but not right now, I'm busily drinking
[02:07:00] simon_c: Sure. I'd really appreciate it.
[02:08:00] mirak: Cardoe: It will alterate the timings ?
[02:08:00] simon_c: can I msg you my email ?
[02:08:00] Beirdo: sure, or just email me at gjhurlbu@gmail.com
[02:08:00] simon_c: thanks
[02:08:00] Cardoe: mirak: just run it
[02:08:00] Shibz: does mtd need to start after mythbackend?
[02:08:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: I always wondered about that address
[02:08:00] mirak: Beirdo: hem isn't this channel logged
[02:08:00] mirak: ?
[02:09:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: did you just slap the keyboard.
[02:09:00] Beirdo: yes
[02:09:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: it is
[02:09:00] Beirdo: it's logged
[02:09:00] Cardoe: mirak: hdparm -tT /dev/hda
[02:09:00] mirak: Beirdo: it's suicide to put your mail adress
[02:09:00] Cardoe: just run it
[02:09:00] mirak: lol
[02:09:00] mirak: Timing cached reads: 480 MB in 2.02 seconds = 237.19 MB/sec
[02:09:00] mirak: Timing buffered disk reads: 52 MB in 3.07 seconds = 16.91 MB/sec
[02:09:00] Beirdo: Cardoe... first initial, middle initial, lastname... chop off at 8
[02:09:00] Beirdo: wow, slow disk
[02:09:00] mirak: ?
[02:09:00] mirak: it's the last seagate 250G ide
[02:10:00] Beirdo: mirak: I'm not worried about my email address being public
[02:10:00] mirak: Beirdo: I have a record running
[02:10:00] Beirdo: well your setup is fucked then
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[02:10:00] Beirdo: those drives run at 60MB.s
[02:10:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: makes sense
[02:10:00] mirak: I tell you it's recording
[02:10:00] Beirdo: yeah, i guess
[02:10:00] Cardoe: OMG!
[02:10:00] Cardoe: no
[02:10:00] Cardoe: that's not a recording
[02:10:00] Beirdo: try it when it's idle
[02:10:00] mirak: yep
[02:11:00] Beirdo: but I still think your setup's borked
[02:11:00] mirak: ok I will watch a beat of the game and go to bed
[02:11:00] mirak: good night everybody
[02:11:00] Cardoe: Timing cached reads: 2684 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1340.86 MB/sec
[02:11:00] Cardoe: Timing buffered disk reads: 90 MB in 3.02 seconds = 29.78 MB/sec
[02:11:00] Cardoe: that's on a laptop running rsync
[02:11:00] Shibz: does mtd need to start after mythbackend?
[02:11:00] Beirdo: my emails have always been public and i don't care
[02:11:00] Cardoe: Shibz: I believe se
[02:11:00] Cardoe: so
[02:11:00] mirak: Cardoe: hum
[02:11:00] Cardoe: I'm rsync'ing the whole Portage tree right now
[02:11:00] mirak: Cardoe: well my hardware is old
[02:12:00] Beirdo: my fileserver
[02:12:00] Shibz: how would I get it to start up after mythbackend has been started then?
[02:12:00] mirak: I have an ECS k7s5a as motherboard
[02:12:00] Beirdo: Timing buffer-cache reads: 836 MB in 2.00 seconds = 418.00 MB/sec
[02:12:00] Beirdo: Timing buffered disk reads: 186 MB in 3.01 seconds = 61.79 MB/sec
[02:12:00] Cardoe: faster then a laptop
[02:12:00] Beirdo: that's a seagate 200G IDE on an Athlon XP 2200
[02:12:00] mirak: my PCI bus is 133mhz
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[02:12:00] mirak: XP1800+
[02:12:00] GeckoFiend: Shibz it has nothing to do with the backend so it doesn't matter
[02:12:00] mirak: 1G ddr
[02:12:00] Cardoe: everyone's PCI bus is 133
[02:12:00] Beirdo: then my build server
[02:13:00] SarahEmm: uhh
[02:13:00] SarahEmm: no
[02:13:00] Beirdo: Timing cached reads: 3680 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1838.44 MB/sec
[02:13:00] SarahEmm: PCI standard is 33
[02:13:00] Beirdo: Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.02 seconds = 56.28 MB/sec
[02:13:00] SarahEmm: PCI-X goes up to 133
[02:13:00] Shibz: well, when I run the mtd script manually, it starts up fine, but not at startup
[02:13:00] Beirdo: that's a AMD64 using a Seagate 200G (I think) S-ATA
[02:13:00] SarahEmm: standard desktops are 32/33, servers go up to 64/133
[02:13:00] Beirdo: 16 MB/sec is shit slow
[02:14:00] mirak: PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
[02:14:00] mirak: DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
[02:14:00] mirak: UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[02:14:00] mirak: AdvancedPM=no WriteCache=enabled
[02:14:00] GeckoFiend: iming cached reads: 1484 MB in 2.00 seconds = 740.63 MB/sec
[02:14:00] GeckoFiend: Timing buffered disk reads: 176 MB in 3.03 seconds = 58.17 MB/sec
[02:14:00] mirak: AdvancedPM=yes ?
[02:14:00] Beirdo: what IDE chipset, mirak?
[02:14:00] mirak: what is it ?
[02:14:00] mirak: I don't know
[02:14:00] Beirdo: you don't know?
[02:14:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:14:00] mirak: I don't know how to find it
[02:14:00] Beirdo: lspci...
[02:15:00] mirak: it's an ECS card
[02:15:00] mirak: it's cheap
[02:15:00] Cardoe: wait for some p0wnage
[02:15:00] Cardoe: right now
[02:15:00] Beirdo: which ECS board?
[02:15:00] Cardoe: he got a 16 right?
[02:15:00] Cardoe: Timing cached reads: 192 MB in 2.00 seconds = 95.92 MB/sec
[02:15:00] Cardoe: Timing buffered disk reads: 62 MB in 3.15 seconds = 19.68 MB/sec
[02:15:00] Cardoe: Celeron 400
[02:15:00] Beirdo: yeah, while recording
[02:15:00] Cardoe: w/ 10gb HD
[02:15:00] Cardoe: compiling GLIBC
[02:15:00] mirak: 0000:00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev d0)
[02:15:00] Beirdo: heh
[02:15:00] Cardoe: COMPILING glibc!!!
[02:15:00] mirak: it's ecs k7s5a
[02:15:00] Cardoe: And it did better.
[02:15:00] Beirdo: same as my fileserver
[02:15:00] Cardoe: mirak: Celeron 400 with a 5400rpm HD that's older then dirt
[02:16:00] Cardoe: That's compiling glibc.
[02:16:00] Beirdo: that an ECS K75SA, mirak?
[02:16:00] Cardoe: just owned you
[02:16:00] GeckoFiend: OMW!!!!11111 ROFLPWND
[02:16:00] Beirdo: heh
[02:16:00] Beirdo: oh wait
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[02:17:00] Beirdo: that drive in my fileserver's on a Promise card
[02:17:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:17:00] Cardoe: GeckoFiend: It's a Gentoo dev thing sorry.
[02:17:00] GeckoFiend: bleh gentoo
[02:17:00] Beirdo: Timing buffer-cache reads: 848 MB in 2.00 seconds = 424.00 MB/sec
[02:17:00] Beirdo: Timing buffered disk reads: 88 MB in 3.05 seconds = 28.85 MB/sec
[02:17:00] Beirdo: that's on the motherboard
[02:17:00] Cardoe: we always e-mail each other with "OMFG!!!!!!!oneoneoneoneeleven d00d" as the subject.
[02:17:00] Beirdo: so the chipset on the motherboard is crap
[02:18:00] Beirdo: :)
[02:18:00] iggy: what Cardoe says is true
[02:18:00] iggy: we have a private mailing list
[02:18:00] Cardoe: with just those subjects.
[02:18:00] iggy: the subject gets tagged with [OMFGMYPENISISBIGGER]
[02:18:00] Cardoe: so what's up iggy
[02:18:00] Cardoe: hahaha
[02:18:00] Cardoe: we really do need that.
[02:19:00] Cardoe: It'd help my filtering rules
[02:19:00] iggy: oh, you aren't already on that one
[02:19:00] Cardoe: iggy: if we could auto tag ciaranm's posts with that.
[02:19:00] Shibz: does debian have a file that I can just put mtd in it so it will start up when I boot?
[02:19:00] Beirdo: iggy: coming over to abuse some noobs? :) I could use the help
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[02:20:00] Shibz: i can't get it to load on boot =(
[02:20:00] SarahEmm: Shibz: ask in your distro's channel :)
[02:20:00] SarahEmm: that's not myth-related
[02:20:00] SarahEmm: (we need to put that in the topic :P
[02:20:00] iggy: Beirdo: maybe, let me get relaxed a little, just got done driving
[02:20:00] Shibz: my disto's channel sucks
[02:20:00] Beirdo: heh
[02:20:00] Beirdo: so make it not suck
[02:21:00] SarahEmm: you could try a generic linux-support channel like linpeople too. i dunno. i'm not a debian grrl :)
[02:21:00] SarahEmm: (anymore)
[02:21:00] Shibz: how? log in on my laptop and answer my own questions?
[02:21:00] Beirdo: sure
[02:21:00] iggy: is it strange that I have to install at least 12M worth of firefox extensions to feel like a real man?
[02:22:00] Beirdo: answering your own questions is a good thing
[02:22:00] Cardoe: iggy: no.
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[02:22:00] sunilonln: what would cause "DVDPerfectThread could not open output file" right when I begin a transcode?
[02:22:00] Cardoe: iggy: didn't you get the latest e-mails?
[02:22:00] Cardoe: iggy: man hood is determined by MB from 0 to 12 of firefox extensions.
[02:22:00] iggy: the ones telling me I'm not man enough? I get those everyday
[02:22:00] Cardoe: iggy: Mozilla themes can be used
[02:23:00] Cardoe: mirak: ok. enough OMG abuse of you.
[02:23:00] Cardoe: mirak: but seriously... go through the hdparm configurations and fix it up.
[02:23:00] Cardoe: mirak: promise you can do better
[02:23:00] Beirdo: it may just be crappy chipset
[02:23:00] Beirdo: drop a promise ATA133 card in, it works way better
[02:23:00] Cardoe: iggy: I'm so tempted to say in -dev "ok drobbins... you've done your damage... now get out." and kick him.
[02:24:00] Cardoe: iggy: O:)
[02:24:00] ** iggy can't use hdparm... all sata here **
[02:24:00] Cardoe: iggy: nice. wanna share one?
[02:24:00] Beirdo: hdparm will still give the test timings
[02:24:00] iggy: Cardoe: I'm not in -dev
[02:24:00] iggy: Beirdo: yeah, but I can't tweak any of the other stuff
[02:25:00] Beirdo: yup
[02:25:00] iggy: Beirdo: come on now, you know I'm a Gentoo guy, I have to tweak things till they break
[02:25:00] ** Beirdo patiently waits for libata to support smartctl, etc **
[02:25:00] SarahEmm: heh
[02:25:00] Beirdo: iggy: yeah, I know
[02:25:00] Beirdo: just give it that last tweak.. ka-BOOM
[02:25:00] ** Cardoe tests out his new gcc CFLAG **
[02:25:00] iggy: Beirdo: I even riced out my linode
[02:25:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:25:00] Cardoe: -fomfg-fast-speed
[02:26:00] Beirdo: -fucking-dumb-gentoo-mode
[02:26:00] Cardoe: god. If I was a gcc dev.
[02:26:00] Beirdo: someone really should add that to gcc
[02:26:00] Cardoe: I'd add -fomfg-fast-speed
[02:26:00] iggy: -mwho-needs-stability
[02:26:00] Cardoe: that would contact a web server somewhere
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[02:26:00] Cardoe: and log how many damn times it was used.
[02:26:00] Beirdo: we could come up with all sorts of stuff
[02:26:00] Cardoe: It was actually slow stuff down
[02:27:00] Cardoe: but I bet you we could get people to use it.
[02:27:00] Cardoe: In fact..
[02:27:00] Beirdo: yeah, adds nops every other instruction
[02:27:00] Cardoe: yup
[02:27:00] Beirdo: that would be so funny
[02:27:00] iggy: make anything over -O3 turn off all optimizations
[02:27:00] Beirdo: watch a P4 act like a 286
[02:27:00] Shibz: haha all i got from #debian was a message saying "rc.local is considered to be a hack for lazy people."
[02:27:00] Beirdo: I always have used -O6
[02:27:00] Cardoe: Cardoe has changed the topic to: Gentoo Development || bugs.g.o upgraded, have at it | Bugs slow at 1400UTC? Backups are running, so chill | Do NOT use epkgmove, you'll catch syphilis || Please check over dev.gentoo.org/distfile-mirroring/failure.xml for failed ebuild fetches, and contact ferringb about issues || nemo.amd64.dev is back online! || Trustees 2005 election results at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.nfp/252 || new gcc
[02:27:00] Cardoe: -4 CFLAG... -fomfg-fast-speed
[02:27:00] Beirdo: as on some architectures it does add more
[02:28:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: look @ mplayer... they use -O4
[02:28:00] Beirdo: PowerPC specifically used -O6
[02:28:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: and don't support anything if you don't use their CFLAGS
[02:28:00] Beirdo: heh, as well they shouldn't
[02:28:00] Beirdo: it's too much of a PITA to support everyones fucked up CFLAGs
[02:29:00] Cardoe: but -O4 is a little nuts on some stuff
[02:29:00] Beirdo: that's true
[02:29:00] Beirdo: but if they regression test it...
[02:29:00] Cardoe: like it tries to use -march=pentium-m -O4 -fomit-frame-pointer
[02:29:00] Beirdo: ouch
[02:29:00] iggy: it bloats the shit out of binaries is about all it does
[02:29:00] iggy: so much for sane cache usage
[02:29:00] Beirdo: omit-frame-pointer's not good in some cases
[02:29:00] Beirdo: iggy: that's not all it does
[02:29:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: as far as I'm concerned
[02:29:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:29:00] Cardoe: pentium-m and O4
[02:29:00] Cardoe: shouldn't be played with
[02:29:00] mirak: /dev/hda:
[02:29:00] mirak: Timing cached reads: 1040 MB in 2.00 seconds = 519.30 MB/sec
[02:29:00] mirak: Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.03 seconds = 56.04 MB/sec
[02:30:00] Beirdo: on some architectures it will make it faster
[02:30:00] Cardoe: especially if it's the first version of the compiler
[02:30:00] Beirdo: mirak: OK, that's good
[02:30:00] Cardoe: mirak: good
[02:30:00] Beirdo: mirak: hdparm -u says what?
[02:30:00] mirak: Beirdo: I will just change everything
[02:30:00] mirak: it's not a server
[02:30:00] mirak: it's my main computer
[02:31:00] mirak: /dev/hda:
[02:31:00] mirak: unmaskirq = 0 (off)
[02:31:00] mirak: Beirdo:
[02:31:00] mirak: i hate this place
[02:31:00] mirak: people are dumb
[02:32:00] Beirdo: OK, that's one thing you can (carefully) try changing
[02:32:00] mirak: they have shit jobs
[02:32:00] Beirdo: on some setups, that will make a huge difference
[02:32:00] Beirdo: but read the man page first
[02:32:00] mirak: nothing against shit jobs, exept they make you dumber
[02:32:00] mirak: Beirdo: hum
[02:33:00] Beirdo: always be sure to read 'man hdparm' before messing with ANY hdparm stuff
[02:33:00] Beirdo: -tT is safe
[02:34:00] Beirdo: all else requires reading the man page ;)
[02:34:00] mirak: people are scared
[02:34:00] mirak: they shit in their pants
[02:34:00] mirak: Beirdo: I am not sure to know exactly what I must tweal
[02:34:00] mirak: tweak
[02:35:00] mirak: only thing I know is that it's better to have udma5
[02:35:00] Beirdo: yes
[02:35:00] Beirdo: unmasking the IRQs can make a significant difference on some machines
[02:35:00] Beirdo: you never did say what ECS board
[02:36:00] mirak: I said it twice
[02:36:00] mirak: but I can repeat
[02:36:00] mirak: ECS K7S5A
[02:36:00] Beirdo: OK, I didn't see it
[02:36:00] mirak: one of the most sold mainboard
[02:36:00] iggy: it's the ECS ImGoingToMakeYourLifeALivingHell
[02:36:00] Beirdo: that's the exact board in my fileserver
[02:36:00] Beirdo: rock-solid board for me
[02:36:00] mirak: iggy: for 30 euro
[02:36:00] Beirdo: but the onboard IDE is sub-par
[02:36:00] mirak: ah ?
[02:37:00] mirak: ok that's why it takes ages to load maps on battlefield ^^
[02:37:00] Beirdo: I get way better performance on Promise ATA100 and ATA133 boards
[02:38:00] Beirdo: dunno WHY that SIS 5513 seems to suck, but it does in my experience. it will work, and not corrupt data, but isn't blazing performance :)
[02:38:00] Beirdo: works fine for my CDRW and DVD/RW
[02:38:00] Beirdo: heh
[02:39:00] mirak: well with enough ram, oce the maps are loaded it's not annoying
[02:39:00] mirak: once
[02:40:00] iggy: I'd imagine 80MB/s is probably coming pretty close to the 32bit/33Mhz pci slots limits
[02:41:00] iggy: but I've got one more drive coming to add to this array, so we'll find out
[02:41:00] Beirdo: not really
[02:41:00] Beirdo: heh
[02:41:00] Beirdo: 33MHz * 4 bytes
[02:41:00] Beirdo: 133MB/s
[02:41:00] iggy: - retransmits, etc.
[02:42:00] Beirdo: that's the theoretical limit
[02:42:00] Beirdo: yeah, less overhead....
[02:42:00] Beirdo: 80 would be pushing it, I guess
[02:42:00] iggy: that's what I get with my 3 drive raid5 array now
[02:43:00] iggy: my 4th drive should be here Monday
[02:43:00] Beirdo: I'm so tempted
[02:43:00] ** SarahEmm running a RAID-5 here too.. no idea on performance tho. **
[02:43:00] Beirdo: I want a 3Ware 9500S-8
[02:43:00] SarahEmm: it's redundant, it stores data. that's about all i care about :)
[02:43:00] iggy: even if it's not any faster, I'm already down to 70G free, so I need it
[02:46:00] Shibz: yay the people in gentoo fixed my mtd problem
[02:46:00] Shibz: err debian
[02:47:00] Shibz: they have this bot that you can make say stuff so other people
[02:47:00] Shibz: so=to
[02:48:00] SarahEmm: yay
[02:48:00] SarahEmm: *meows*
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[02:52:00] bobc: iggy: how are you going to add the extra drive to your RAID5?
[02:53:00] bobc: I'd like to go raid5, but I'm concerned about upgradability
[02:53:00] iggy: raidreconf
[02:54:00] bobc: you can keep the data? and it's pretty safe?
[02:54:00] iggy: I don't know, I'll tell you on Tuesday
[02:55:00] ** SarahEmm is running 4-drive RAID5 now, figured if we need more storage later we'll add another array of 4 **
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[02:55:00] poonj: hey guys...anyone here use multiple capture cards?
[02:55:00] iggy: quite a few of us
[02:55:00] poonj: I am using a HDTV-3000 and a BTTV 848 card...and right now it can only see the BTTV card..
[02:56:00] poonj: am I doing something wrong in the module selection?
[02:56:00] iggy: probably
[02:56:00] iggy: what that is, I don't know
[02:57:00] SarahEmm: cl
[02:57:00] poonj: alias char-major-81 videodev, alias char-major-81–0 bttv
[02:57:00] poonj: I think I need to add in the other one
[02:58:00] bobc: SarahEmm: buying four large drives at one time is a bit expensive for me, but I'm considering two more 250GB to form a 3 drive RAID5 array
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[02:59:00] bobc: of course, more than four drives in a system is hard anyway, between space, heat and power
[03:00:00] iggy: Beirdo: I also wish the power mgmt stuff worked
[03:02:00] Beirdo: would be nice
[03:03:00] SarahEmm: bobc: our server has 12 5.25" drive bays and a 600W PSU, so it's not much of na issue :)
[03:05:00] bobc: oh, I forgot, you're the one with the rack system in the corner of your living room aren't you?
[03:06:00] SarahEmm: me?
[03:06:00] SarahEmm: yeah
[03:06:00] SarahEmm: but the server cluster is upstairs :)
[03:06:00] SarahEmm: the downstairs rack is the networking gear rack
[03:06:00] bobc: for us mere mortals, it's an issue
[03:06:00] SarahEmm: lol
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[03:06:00] SarahEmm: <-- mortal! kitrich tho.
[03:07:00] Esotericisms: hey anyone buy a wireless keyboard and then program their universal remote with the keyboard?
[03:07:00] bobc: SarahEmm: how big is your household? you and SO? lots more? or all that just for you?
[03:07:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: no, because all my wireless keyboards are RF
[03:07:00] SarahEmm: bobc: was me and one of my SOs up until 3wks ago.. now it's just me,
[03:08:00] Esotericisms: yeah, that is what I thought ... but someone told me it can be done ...
[03:08:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: if you have a wireless IR keyboard, sure
[03:08:00] SarahEmm: not with an RF one.
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[03:09:00] bobc: Esotericisms: I just read through a thread on the mailing list in late march I think called Lite-On IR Keyboard and Learning Remote – lots of good info in there for you
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[03:10:00] Esotericisms: hey bobc, what is the link to the mailing list thread you just read?
[03:12:00] EricAnderson: If I have an nvidia video card with onboard mpeg2 decoding... CPU usage using xvmc should be reduced right?
[03:12:00] SarahEmm: i don't think myth supports them...
[03:12:00] SarahEmm: don't quote me on that tho, as i use MPEG-4
[03:13:00] Beirdo: EricAnderson: in theory it should, yes
[03:13:00] Beirdo: I don't have nvidia
[03:14:00] EricAnderson: hmm, cause top shows my idle cpu to be 60% when I dont use it... and 20% when I do
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: Yes, using XvMC uses lower CPU to decode mpeg2 video than software decoding
[03:15:00] GreyFoxx: the Nvidia X drivers don't let you use all of the abilities of the card for decoding, but what they do give lowers the usage greatly
[03:15:00] EricAnderson: is there any special X options I need to use?
[03:16:00] GreyFoxx: No
[03:16:00] GreyFoxx: As long as you have th eNvidia Binary X drivers
[03:16:00] EricAnderson: Yeah, I emerged them
[03:16:00] GreyFoxx: And of course Myth has to be compiled with support for it, and then have that turned on in the setup options
[03:16:00] GreyFoxx: not much more you need to do
[03:16:00] bobc: Esotericisms: I read it in my email as I was cleaning it out. just go to the archives and do a search for that title and it will come up
[03:17:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: Right, I doubt I'd be able to turn it on if I didnt compile in support for it
[03:17:00] GreyFoxx: Exactly
[03:17:00] EricAnderson: Im on a Athlon XP 2200+ .... is the backend supposed to use abotu 10% cpu
[03:17:00] GreyFoxx: That or less with hardwar eencoding capture cards
[03:17:00] GreyFoxx: depending on what you do on your system of course :)
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[03:18:00] EricAnderson: I have a PVR-150
[03:18:00] reel: is your backend idling or is it recording?
[03:18:00] EricAnderson: its not recording
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[03:18:00] EricAnderson: It should just be saving the pause buffer
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[03:18:00] GreyFoxx: that is recording
[03:18:00] EricAnderson: For some reason I can never get all the way up to live
[03:18:00] GreyFoxx: LiveTV = record + playbacl
[03:19:00] EricAnderson: Anythign closer than 3 seconds causes flickr until it gets behind that point
[03:19:00] bobc: Esotericisms: here is the link http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ght=1#119572
[03:19:00] reel: i have a 2500+ and i think mine is slightly less than 10.. maybe 8 when recording so 10 is about right I think
[03:19:00] EricAnderson: okay cool
[03:19:00] Shibz: anyone have some tips on how I can get my tv to be less jittery?
[03:19:00] EricAnderson: reel: Do you get serious choppiness in the first 5 or so seconds of playback when changing channels
[03:20:00] Shibz: I have hardware encoding and a 1.7ghz p4 cpu, more than enough...
[03:20:00] reel: i wouldn't say serious but i do get bumps
[03:20:00] EricAnderson: reel: Havent found a way to remove that?
[03:20:00] reel: i don't really watch live tv though. i primarily record and watch playbacks of the recordings
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[03:20:00] reel: I agree that it is annoying but since I don't use it that way, I haven't tried
[03:21:00] GreyFoxx: Only time I use livetv is when I put the system back together after hardware changs to make sure I have the coax cables connected properly :)
[03:21:00] EricAnderson: I miss my digital cable program guide... although I guess I dont watch all that much live tv
[03:22:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: Heh... my GF watches live tv alot... And I refuse to record 20 or so episodes of law and order a day
[03:22:00] Beirdo: haha
[03:22:00] Beirdo: I record all L&O
[03:22:00] Beirdo: all 4 versions
[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: You can configure the system to not record the same show twice
[03:22:00] Beirdo: that's what's playing right now while I mud
[03:22:00] EricAnderson: yeah
[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: and it will learn what you have previously recorded :)
[03:22:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: Hmm... thats something to consider
[03:22:00] EricAnderson: Except she cant watch them as fast as they come in
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: I'm watching the American Idol worst auditions show while I move data to the drive I put in this morning
[03:23:00] Beirdo: eventually you will catch up, EricAnderson
[03:23:00] EricAnderson: Then when I want CSI to record it'll fail
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: TimeStretch is your friend:)
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: PRioritize CSI to override L&O
[03:23:00] iggy: EricAnderson: you can also look at auto-expire
[03:23:00] iggy: I have to auto-expire the simpsons... there's just too many of them
[03:24:00] EricAnderson: iggy: yeah, I did that with my old cable dvr... and some episode she really wanted to watch got overwritten and it was my ass
[03:24:00] EricAnderson: iggy: Do you just keep X many of them?
[03:24:00] iggy: yeah
[03:24:00] iggy: you can tell it to dump old ones or not to record new ones
[03:25:00] gnarface: heh. so uh... anyone tried a usb-uirt transmitter yet?
[03:25:00] GreyFoxx: Dude, check the mailing list or something
[03:25:00] Beirdo: no, dammit!
[03:25:00] iggy: yeah, mine works great
[03:25:00] gnarface: iggy: don't tease me. i've been up for 32 hours now.
[03:25:00] iggy: haha
[03:26:00] GreyFoxx: Man, screw this. I should tear down my desktop and make it into my new fileserver. I never use the darn thing anymore
[03:26:00] EricAnderson: heh
[03:26:00] gnarface: make it into a doom3 server
[03:26:00] GreyFoxx: move the burners into the GF's system and be good to go
[03:26:00] rpete: it's taken about a year, but I think my wife is all caught up on csi series reruns
[03:27:00] rpete: one time we went on vacaction and returned to 60 recordings of the damn things
[03:27:00] EricAnderson: Can the PVR-*50 do hardware decoding as low as say 0.5MBPS??? then I could write up some software to watch tv at work
[03:27:00] GreyFoxx: encoding you mean?
[03:27:00] EricAnderson: yup :)
[03:27:00] GreyFoxx: it can go pretty low, but it will look like shit
[03:27:00] GreyFoxx: trust me, I've done that :)
[03:28:00] SarahEmm: EricAnderson: use mythstreamtv
[03:28:00] EricAnderson: SarahEmm: eh?
[03:28:00] SarahEmm: it's a plugin that's designed to stream across WANs so you can .. i.e. watch at work :)
[03:28:00] GreyFoxx: setup mythstreamtv or some o ther on the fly conversioon/streaming app
[03:28:00] EricAnderson: Never heard of that
[03:28:00] SarahEmm: google for it :)
[03:28:00] EricAnderson: heh
[03:28:00] EricAnderson: That would own
[03:28:00] ** EricAnderson wonders if gentoo has an ebuild for that yet **
[03:28:00] SarahEmm: i think it's pronounced '0wn' :)
[03:28:00] SarahEmm: i don't think so.
[03:28:00] EricAnderson: I prefer the pwn spelling to be honest
[03:28:00] SarahEmm: didn't a couple weeks ago when i looked anyway
[03:28:00] SarahEmm: only supports MPEG-2 tho
[03:28:00] SarahEmm: i use MPEG-4 so it's no good for me :(
[03:29:00] EricAnderson: Ah, my card is mpeg2... so no worries until I transcode
[03:29:00] SarahEmm: *nods*
[03:29:00] SarahEmm: i software encode
[03:29:00] EricAnderson: (Not that I have played with that yet)
[03:29:00] ** EricAnderson just got this thing up and running last night **
[03:30:00] SarahEmm: hardware encoding is the way to go :)
[03:30:00] GreyFoxx: I can play xvids from my home machines webserver while at my friends house over our cable modems without any stuttering. It's pretty sweet.
[03:30:00] GreyFoxx: I haven't personally looked at mythstreamtv yet
[03:31:00] EricAnderson: thats not bad
[03:31:00] GreyFoxx: Sweet bandwitdh
[03:31:00] GreyFoxx: for a home connection
[03:31:00] EricAnderson: Considering right now, everything Ive encoded is like 1.5gb per 30 minutes... I dont think thats gonna work
[03:31:00] SarahEmm: EricAnderson: heh, no..
[03:31:00] iggy: one of our clients gets like 900K/s on their cable
[03:31:00] EricAnderson: I think my up is 768
[03:31:00] iggy: yes, that's a big K
[03:31:00] bobc: SarahEmm: mythstreamtv also supports mpeg4
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: I'm referring to transcoded stuff that is around 350Meg per show.
[03:32:00] EricAnderson: But I doubt my roommates would be happy if I took all that up
[03:32:00] EricAnderson: Ah
[03:32:00] EricAnderson: I have yet to figure out the transcode stuff
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: I can download from phaze.org to my house at 600K per sec, and upload at 150
[03:32:00] Shibz: I used that myth dvd thing and it gave me a hude .VOB file, when I open it in myth tv, it plays the video, but audio is a big weird noise buzz-like sound
[03:32:00] EricAnderson: Hmm
[03:32:00] Shibz: huge*
[03:32:00] EricAnderson: My mythbox just died
[03:32:00] iggy: I'm luck if I get 250K at home
[03:32:00] Esotericisms: hey SarahEmm, solution to the RF keyboard and remote situation ... I just need to get a rf/ir remote (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . hotohosting)
[03:33:00] iggy: Esotericisms: get a usb-uirt device, gnarface can help you out setting it up
[03:33:00] gnarface: iggy: screw you. :-p
[03:34:00] GreyFoxx: iggy. I love it. especially with p2p apps, cause I download them to phaze.org first at 1.5Megabytes (if they are nice n fast) and copy them to my house at 600K
[03:34:00] Esotericisms: usb-uirt? ... hrm
[03:34:00] GreyFoxx: If I download directly to my home machine I get trapped in my ISPs ratelimiting and am lucky to get 20K
[03:34:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: err, not really
[03:34:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: that uses RF to transmit to its *own* base station where it's converted back into IR
[03:35:00] SarahEmm: there's no 'standard' for RF stuff like there is for IR.
[03:35:00] gnarface: Esotericisms: don't do it unless you're a master with the usbserial conversion module
[03:35:00] Esotericisms: true
[03:35:00] SarahEmm: getting universal remotes that support RF isn't easy.
[03:35:00] iggy: Esotericisms: I was being an asshole to gnarface since he's been asking for help with his for the past 4 days
[03:35:00] GreyFoxx: bah
[03:35:00] GreyFoxx: The Niveus is a Universal learning IR remote, + RF mode for talking to the usb receiver
[03:36:00] Esotericisms: I have this remote laying around the house (http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/5a20/)
[03:36:00] SarahEmm: what are you trying to do, anyway?
[03:37:00] EricAnderson: Hey, in top, whats 'wa'
[03:37:00] Esotericisms: the latest version of lirc has broken my remote ... can't use it with my PVR-150
[03:37:00] Esotericisms: I am trying to find other solutions
[03:37:00] EricAnderson: Esotericisms: you sure?
[03:39:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: okay.. waht does this have to do with an IR keyboard?
[03:39:00] Esotericisms: yeah I am sure ... I installed the latest and now lircd just dies
[03:39:00] Esotericisms: well I was thinking of getting an IR keyboard to relieve the hassle of using LIRC and program a universal remote with the keyboard
[03:40:00] SarahEmm: oh...... okay.
[03:40:00] Esotericisms: EricAnderson, yeah it has been quite annoying actually ... I can get you the error that happens .. it tries to call /dev/lirc, which doesn't exist .. and I can't seem to fix it
[03:40:00] SarahEmm: why not just get LIRC working again? :)
[03:40:00] SarahEmm: err
[03:40:00] SarahEmm: what if you create /dev/lirc?
[03:40:00] Esotericisms: I have been trying
[03:40:00] Esotericisms: how do you create a device?
[03:40:00] GreyFoxx: mknod
[03:40:00] SarahEmm: man mknod
[03:42:00] EricAnderson: I have a funky blue border around image playback... whats the cause of that?
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: sounds like some of the XV blue chromakey bleeding through
[03:42:00] Esotericisms: EricAnderson, you can fix that ... just sec
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: I think I ran into that problem with a fairly recent version of the nvidia drivers like 2 months ago
[03:43:00] Esotericisms: EricAnderson, xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 1 > /dev/null
[03:43:00] Esotericisms: SarahEmm, this is the exact issue http://pastebin.ca/12208
[03:44:00] EricAnderson: Esotericisms: I dont have an xvattr
[03:45:00] Esotericisms: EricAnderson, you will have to download and install then
[03:45:00] EricAnderson: I shoudl stop saying stupid things :)
[03:45:00] Gumby: mythtv and mysql crashed due to a full hdd (or so I am asuming) I get the following message in mythweb...
[03:46:00] Gumby: "Fatal Error at /var/www/html/ultimate/mythweb/includes/programs.php, line 138:
[03:46:00] Gumby: SQL Error: Got error 28 from table handler"
[03:46:00] Gumby: anyone know what I might check
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: Gumby odds are one of the mysql tables will need to be repaired
[03:46:00] Gumby: GreyFoxx: any idea which one might need it?
[03:46:00] iggy: yeah
[03:46:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: does /dev/lirc exist?
[03:46:00] Esotericisms: no it doesn't
[03:46:00] SarahEmm: does the lircd user have permissions to rw it?
[03:46:00] SarahEmm: err
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: personally I would shutdown mysql, change the directory containing the *.MYI files for the mythconverg database
[03:46:00] Esotericisms: ?
[03:46:00] SarahEmm: okay....
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: and run myisamchk -r *MYI
[03:47:00] SarahEmm: we've asked you to create it like 3 times
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: run a blanket repair on all tables
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: then restart mysql
[03:47:00] Esotericisms: I am about to ...
[03:47:00] Esotericisms: just sec
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[03:47:00] Gumby: how does one run a blanket repair on all tables?
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: I just told you
[03:47:00] Shibz: with myth dvd do I have to check the AC3 box when the audio stream says AC3 or is it optional?
[03:47:00] iggy: hah
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: change to the mythconverg data directory and run myisamchk -r *MYI
[03:47:00] Shibz: I just ripped a dvd without the box checked and my sound was all messed up
[03:47:00] Esotericisms: SarahEmm, I am trying to understand the command and figure out what I need to do
[03:47:00] Gumby: ah, that command is the repair
[03:47:00] Gumby: ok
[03:48:00] Gumby: thank you
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: just be sure to stop mysql first
[03:48:00] Shibz: but i dunno if thats my actual problem
[03:48:00] SarahEmm: Esotericismsokay..
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[03:50:00] OldVolks: where abouts could i find out if my ati capture card would work with mythtv
[03:50:00] iggy: it won't
[03:50:00] Shibz: what card is it?
[03:50:00] iggy: oh wait, they made some that do work didn't they
[03:50:00] Shibz: heh I bought 2 ATI cards and neither worked
[03:50:00] Shibz: ya
[03:50:00] SarahEmm: if it's an All In Wonder, it won't
[03:50:00] SarahEmm: older ones that are bttv will
[03:50:00] SarahEmm: some newer ones wont'
[03:50:00] SarahEmm: i use an ATI TV Wonder which works great (original, no VE or Pro or Elite)
[03:50:00] Shibz: I have an all-in-wonder in this comp
[03:51:00] OldVolks: its an all in wonder ... was just hoping maybe someone made a driver for it, i already had this card
[03:51:00] SarahEmm: all-in-wonders don't work with myth, no.
[03:51:00] iggy: don't work well in general
[03:51:00] iggy: even in windows
[03:51:00] SarahEmm: heh
[03:51:00] Esotericisms: SarahEmm, alright ... I created it ... if I run 'lircd --nodaemon' and then run '/usr/bin/irw /dev/lirc' I get permission denied ... if I run it without specifing the device lircd just crashes
[03:52:00] Shibz: Ya, with my ATI experiences I am never buying from them ever again
[03:52:00] SarahEmm: ls -la /dev/lirc
[03:52:00] SarahEmm: what does that return?
[03:52:00] OldVolks: what would be a decent card to get, i dont want to spend a bunch of money... i just want to be able to record, it be cool if i can record and watch something else at the same time, but id need two cards, wouldnt i?
[03:52:00] EricAnderson: Hmm
[03:52:00] SarahEmm: OldVolks: get a PVR-150
[03:52:00] SarahEmm: they're cheapish and seem to work well
[03:52:00] OldVolks: i didnt buy this card, it was given to me a year or so ago and been sitting in a drawer
[03:53:00] OldVolks: like $65 or so right?
[03:53:00] OldVolks: USD that is
[03:53:00] Esotericisms: crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 2 May 20 22:40 /dev/lirc
[03:53:00] iggy: OldVolks: the 500 is like 2 150's in one card
[03:53:00] iggy: but oddly more expensive
[03:54:00] SarahEmm: handy for folks with only one PCI slot tho :L)
[03:54:00] iggy: indeed
[03:54:00] OldVolks: i got a few
[03:54:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: okay.. so lircd runs okay though?
[03:54:00] Esotericisms: it does until I try and run irw
[03:54:00] iggy: or suckers that buy nf4 boards with 2 pci slots and want more than 2 inputs
[03:54:00] Esotericisms: then it crashes
[03:54:00] Shibz: I had lotsa problems with lirc too
[03:54:00] Shibz: that used to happen to me
[03:54:00] OldVolks: yeah i can buy 2 150's for less
[03:54:00] Shibz: what remote are u using?
[03:54:00] Esotericisms: and returns the error that you saw in pastbin
[03:54:00] EricAnderson: So in the guide... it makes sense to press enter on a show in the currently running block... it makes sense to just go to that show... but on a show that is not yet on... it makes sense to instead of tuning to that channel... ask about recording
[03:54:00] OldVolks: hell i can get 3 150's for the price of the 500
[03:54:00] Beirdo: wow, I think this stuff is even better cough medicine than the vodka
[03:55:00] Esotericisms: Shibz, the one that comes with the PVR-150
[03:55:00] Shibz: oh, I was using the one that comes with winblows media center edition
[03:55:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: okay.. which crashes, lircd, or irw?
[03:55:00] iggy: Esotericisms: I already told you, that thing barely works
[03:55:00] EricAnderson: OldVolks: I just got my 150 for $100
[03:56:00] Shibz: i ended up having to delete it off my system, getting an old version, replacing a few files with rewritten ones for my model, and recompiling
[03:56:00] Shibz: then it worked fine
[03:56:00] iggy: EricAnderson: did they at least use lube when they fucked you?
[03:56:00] Shibz: so you probably have a driver issue
[03:56:00] OldVolks: so the pvr 150 has an encordered built in so it takes less cpu ?
[03:56:00] Esotericisms: great thanks ... appreciate it ... it worked fine until this new version of lirc and/or ivtv ...
[03:56:00] iggy: OldVolks: yeah
[03:56:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: I might do something evil.
[03:56:00] EricAnderson: OldVolks: Yup
[03:56:00] Cardoe: like autotool MythTV
[03:56:00] Shibz: I am using lirc 0.70 now
[03:56:00] Cardoe: tonight
[03:56:00] OldVolks: i just started reading up on this
[03:57:00] OldVolks: a few hours ago
[03:57:00] Beirdo: why bother, Cardoe
[03:57:00] iggy: Esotericisms: so roll back to the old ivtv or lirc
[03:57:00] EricAnderson: OldVolks: If you want more than one recording though... you may want to consider the 500... I think you can get it cheaper than 2 150s
[03:57:00] Cardoe: I'm bored and want to learn autotools?
[03:57:00] Beirdo: heh
[03:57:00] Shibz: i doubt that ivtv is a problem
[03:57:00] OldVolks: Esotericisms i'm looking on ebay, $65.99 buy it now $7.99 shipping
[03:57:00] iggy: Cardoe: it's unfortunately common for qt apps to use qmake
[03:57:00] Beirdo: damn, I'm glad I only poured a half-shot
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[03:57:00] Cardoe: EricAnderson: afaik... 2 150s are cheaper then 500s
[03:57:00] Shibz: I have PVR 500 and it was not fun for a n00b to set up =/
[03:57:00] Cardoe: iggy: and qmake is by far the shittiest thing ever made.
[03:57:00] Esotericisms: OldVolks, 65.99 for what?
[03:57:00] Beirdo: for qt crap, using crappy qmake is the best way
[03:58:00] rpete: OldVolks, that's a good deal for a hardware mpeg2 encoder
[03:58:00] OldVolks: PVR150
[03:58:00] iggy: Shibz: I doubt it too, I'm just tired of listening to it
[03:58:00] Esotericisms: what does that have to do with me?
[03:58:00] Cardoe: iggy: and it's freaking retarded to have a backend only application written in QT
[03:58:00] iggy: OldVolks: you can get them for cheaper from newegg or pcalchemy
[03:58:00] Esotericisms: SarahEmm, any ideas?
[03:58:00] OldVolks: PVR 500 i saw for $133
[03:58:00] Shibz: i got my PVR 500 for $140 from amazon
[03:58:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: which is crashing?
[03:58:00] Shibz: aaw u looser
[03:59:00] Shibz: i want my $7 back =(
[03:59:00] OldVolks: $12.99 shipping
[03:59:00] OldVolks: you probable paid less for shipping
[03:59:00] Shibz: heh, nm
[03:59:00] Esotericisms: SarahEmm, what do you mean which is crashing?
[03:59:00] Shibz: ya, like 4
[03:59:00] OldVolks: or free
[03:59:00] SarahEmm: ircd, or irw?
[03:59:00] Shibz: maby free
[03:59:00] Shibz: i forget
[03:59:00] OldVolks: how fast are your processors for the guys with 150's
[04:00:00] Esotericisms: ok when I start lircd in nodaemon mode so I can see any errors ... and then I run irw to check to see if the remote is working ... lircd dies
[04:00:00] Shibz: myne is 1.7ghz P4, and video is laggy, but i am sure that it is because my settings aren't right
[04:00:00] SarahEmm: what does lircd die with?
[04:00:00] Esotericisms: with the messages -> http://pastebin.ca/12208
[04:00:00] EricAnderson: There is no Prev Channel tool right?
[04:00:00] EricAnderson: err, function I guess
[04:00:00] SarahEmm: err...
[04:00:00] SarahEmm: but i thought you said that didn't happen after you created /dev/lirc
[04:01:00] OldVolks: Shibz how much ram?
[04:01:00] OldVolks: what OS ?
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[04:01:00] Esotericisms: nope still crashes ... if I run 'irw /dev/lirc' I get permission denied, but if i just run 'irw' lircd crashes
[04:01:00] OldVolks: ive got an XP 1400, 1600 and a 1700 and i think a 1900 i could use, i just recently had several people give me there old processors
[04:01:00] Esotericisms: with the same error as before
[04:02:00] Shibz: do lsmod|grep lirc
[04:02:00] Esotericisms: what do you want from it?
[04:02:00] OldVolks: and i have a 512mb chip in this computer i was planning on using (DDR, got another 256mb i could add, but id rather sell it and get another 512)
[04:02:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: I love SVN
[04:02:00] Esotericisms: lirc_i2c, lirc_dev, i2c_core
[04:02:00] SarahEmm: hmmmm.
[04:02:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: svn st | grep ? | sed -e 's:\?::' | xargs svn add
[04:02:00] SarahEmm: not sure. sorry
[04:03:00] Beirdo: svn rules
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[04:03:00] GreyFoxx: what do you like about it over cvs? I've never looked at svn, but seen people in here doating on it a lot
[04:03:00] Shibz: hmmm, you have the right modules in there
[04:03:00] Esotericisms: yup
[04:04:00] Beirdo: 1) when you check shit in, it's one patch, not a series of them
[04:04:00] Beirdo: ie. atomic checkin
[04:04:00] Beirdo: 2) you can rename, delete, copy quite easily
[04:04:00] Beirdo: :)
[04:04:00] Cardoe: have you seen svk?
[04:04:00] Beirdo: several other nice things too
[04:04:00] Cardoe: distributed
[04:04:00] Shibz: anyone in here run mythfrontend on xbox?
[04:04:00] Cardoe: basically all the arch users rants can be shut up
[04:05:00] Beirdo: I've seen it briefly, not really interested for my uses
[04:05:00] iggy: arch is worse than bk for useability
[04:05:00] iggy: the manual must be 3x as long
[04:05:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: just saying... there's the ability
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[04:05:00] Beirdo: bk is a flaming POS
[04:05:00] SarahEmm: yep Shibz
[04:05:00] Cardoe: arch is insane with commands
[04:05:00] OldVolks: Shibz i have a modded xbox, one of the reasons i want to build a dvrt
[04:05:00] OldVolks: dvr
[04:05:00] Beirdo: especially license-wise
[04:05:00] SarahEmm: in fact i'm watching Daily Planet on my xbox frontend right now :)
[04:05:00] Shibz: what distro do you use for it on xbox?
[04:06:00] SarahEmm: gentoox
[04:06:00] Shibz: the mce edition?
[04:06:00] SarahEmm: naw
[04:06:00] ** iggy vomits **
[04:06:00] SarahEmm: home, then installed myth
[04:06:00] Shibz: k
[04:06:00] SarahEmm: MCE uses too much extra stuff.
[04:06:00] SarahEmm: iggy: why?
[04:06:00] SarahEmm: Shibz: you already have an xbox?
[04:06:00] Shibz: yes
[04:06:00] Beirdo: xbox THIS
[04:06:00] iggy: shallax is one of the most worthless human beings alive
[04:07:00] Shibz: heh i agree
[04:07:00] SarahEmm: Shibz: okay. it works great, but some people complain about the fan noise. so just be aware the fan noise may be an issue :)
[04:07:00] ** Cardoe wants MythTV on his xbox. **
[04:07:00] SarahEmm: iggy: *shrugs* it works.
[04:07:00] OldVolks: xbmc has some streaming capability, setup a linux system with a capture card and just stream to it over the network
[04:07:00] Beirdo: iggy: can't be much worse than DJB
[04:07:00] SarahEmm: i had issues on xebian with the focus encoder + VGA output
[04:07:00] Cardoe: but I want my Halo2 Live!
[04:07:00] Cardoe: iggy: seriously
[04:07:00] Cardoe: gentoox
[04:07:00] Cardoe: so pointless
[04:07:00] iggy: Beirdo: nono, djb is just a kook, this guy is really a waste of natural resources
[04:07:00] Cardoe: we were starting a Xbox setup
[04:07:00] Cardoe: and we offered to have him work with us.
[04:07:00] iggy: his mom should have beat him to death with a big rock when he was born
[04:07:00] Cardoe: and he just has to make his own fork
[04:07:00] Beirdo: Cardoe: gentoo is also pointless for some people :)
[04:08:00] SarahEmm: at any rate...
[04:08:00] SarahEmm: yes, the xbox works great as a frontend imho.
[04:08:00] SarahEmm: no issues here.
[04:08:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: but I'm saying it was pointless to fork
[04:08:00] Beirdo: heh
[04:08:00] Beirdo: yeah
[04:08:00] Beirdo: fork that
[04:08:00] Cardoe: rather then have all of our resources behind you
[04:08:00] Cardoe: you fork
[04:08:00] ** iggy marvels at all the forks **
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[04:08:00] Cardoe: There's a lot of legit reasons to fork the Gentoo/Portage tree
[04:08:00] Cardoe: i.e. stable server tree
[04:09:00] iggy: how long did debian exist before it had a fork that didn't crash after 6 months?
[04:09:00] Beirdo: dunno.
[04:09:00] Shibz: can someone help me set up my tv so that its not all laggy?
[04:09:00] SarahEmm: Shibz: live tv you mean?
[04:09:00] gnarface: fork this
[04:09:00] GeckoFiend: SarahEmm as long as you only want sdtv
[04:09:00] Beirdo: but ubuntu's doin fine :)
[04:09:00] SarahEmm: GeckoFiend: this is true.
[04:09:00] iggy: Shibz: yeah, go buy a plasma
[04:09:00] SarahEmm: GeckoFiend: i'm fine with sdtv, i have no need for hdtv
[04:10:00] Shibz: yes, live tv
[04:10:00] SarahEmm: how much lag do you have?
[04:10:00] GeckoFiend: SarahEmm heh Myth is sooooo much better on an HDTV
[04:10:00] Shibz: the sound gets all jittery, the video isnt too bad, just a skipped frame every second or two
[04:10:00] SarahEmm: heh.. my tv is only 17" anyway :P
[04:10:00] SarahEmm: Shibz: oh, that's not really lag....
[04:11:00] SarahEmm: Shibz: what's your cpu, what encoder card?
[04:11:00] Beirdo: GeckoFiend: quit taunting me :)
[04:11:00] Shibz: PVR-500
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[04:11:00] SarahEmm: oh, right....
[04:11:00] Shibz: P4 1.7ghz
[04:11:00] SarahEmm: i was talking to you before heh
[04:11:00] Beirdo: Gotta wait until AFTER my vacation before doing that
[04:11:00] SarahEmm: i have no experience with the PVR-xxx cards =-/
[04:11:00] GeckoFiend: Beirdo: http://www.lxmsuite.com/theme_preview/mockup/unimet_mockup.jpg
[04:12:00] Cardoe: how do you have lag on a hardware encode card?
[04:12:00] Cardoe: with a 1.7ghz P4
[04:12:00] Beirdo: not bad. a bit too busy for me
[04:12:00] SarahEmm: Cardoe: well it doesn't sound like 'lag', zie is talking about framedrops and such
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[04:12:00] Shibz: well, i don't care bout the frames, more about the sound, its hardly understandable
[04:13:00] SarahEmm: err...
[04:13:00] SarahEmm: in what way?
[04:13:00] Shibz: i dunno, its like its out of order
[04:13:00] Cardoe: Shibz: send your system to me
[04:13:00] Shibz: instead of playing the sound like 123456789 it plays 13243565
[04:14:00] SarahEmm: ahh....
[04:14:00] SarahEmm: i'm not the best person to help debug sound issues..
[04:14:00] SarahEmm: especially on a PVR-xxx card.
[04:14:00] SarahEmm: sorry.
[04:14:00] Shibz: =(
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[04:14:00] SarahEmm: i use software encoding myself
[04:14:00] Cardoe: Shibz: send your system to me
[04:14:00] SarahEmm: which works all different
[04:14:00] GeckoFiend: I'm digging this one http://www.jdonavan.net/midnight_mockup1.jpg
[04:15:00] Cardoe: I'll fix it
[04:15:00] Shibz: heh no thx
[04:15:00] SarahEmm: i'm switching to a PVR-500 soon, but havne't yet..
[04:15:00] Shibz: j-rod can probably help when he gets back on, he helped me get my card working in the first place
[04:15:00] Shibz: he is 1337
[04:16:00] EricAnderson: Bleh, this is driving me insane!!!
[04:16:00] Shibz: welcome to the club
[04:16:00] iggy: GeckoFiend: yeah, that one's nice, the icons seem kind of haphazard though
[04:16:00] Shibz: I have been insane for about 2 weeks now
[04:16:00] SarahEmm: Shibz: meep.
[04:16:00] SarahEmm: the -500 still seems to have some issues...
[04:17:00] Esotericisms: SarahEmm, I got it to stop dying ... and irw will run ... I am just not getting any signals
[04:17:00] GeckoFiend: iggy heh they're from the "Syth" theme. It's just a mockup to get the general feel down. if it gets greeenlighted the icons will all be redone to be unique to the theme
[04:17:00] Cardoe: GeckoFiend: where'd you find all these themes at?
[04:17:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: the right config is there?
[04:18:00] Esotericisms: idk ... I can check again
[04:18:00] Esotericisms: should be
[04:18:00] GeckoFiend: Syth being: http://www.lxmsuite.com/themes.htm
[04:18:00] SarahEmm: what'd you do to fix the crash?
[04:18:00] GeckoFiend: Cardoe they're mockups from the artist working on the LxMSuite themes
[04:18:00] Cardoe: GeckoFiend: are you part of that too?
[04:19:00] GeckoFiend: cept for Syth which is an honest to god theme
[04:20:00] GeckoFiend: Cardoe I've been consulting them yes and have had some Myth work sponsored yes
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[04:21:00] Esotericisms: SarahEmm, yes I have the write configs ... nothing is happening though
[04:21:00] SarahEmm: okay...
[04:21:00] SarahEmm: i dunno then, sorry
[04:22:00] jartz: [ot] — Hi guys... I'm new to IRC — I can't get connected on my myth box — it seems to want a login – what am I doing wrong?
[04:22:00] jartz: [to irc, not logging into my myth box itself... ]
[04:22:00] Cardoe: jartz: so login with the username and password you used when you installed your distro
[04:23:00] Esotericisms: damnit
[04:23:00] Cardoe: jartz: you're on IRC.. you're probably using a used name alreaduy
[04:24:00] rpete: database access refused jartz?
[04:25:00] jartz: I'm currently logged in on my Wintel box. I need/want to connect to IRC on my Myth box to be able to cut&paste... Using X-Chat on FC2.
[04:26:00] SarahEmm: you may want to ask that in a non-myth channel....
[04:26:00] SarahEmm: this really has nothing to do with myth heh
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[04:28:00] Shibz: hmmm, i just noticed that my mysql users table has entries so that users on the domain "dev.mysettopbox.tv" can log in, is that needed?
[04:28:00] iggy: pwnd
[04:28:00] jartz: Ok, I'll ask my myth question(s) then... I just re-built my Myth backend, and now I only get a green screen for overlay. Capture card is a PVR-250, video card & driver is Nvidia
[04:31:00] Cardoe: iggy: heh
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[04:33:00] OldVolk: anyone happen to live near Stockton Ca? I have an ebay store, and a warehouse full of office type supplies, computer chairs, printer/copier/fax/laserjet paper, computer desk, folding tables, book cases i need to empty it all out before the first
[04:33:00] Beirdo: good for you
[04:34:00] rpete: wanna borrow a truck?
[04:34:00] SarahEmm: gaaaaaaaah.
[04:34:00] Beirdo: anything even remotely myth related, or are you just gonna try to advertise your warez
[04:34:00] OldVolk: i'm probable going to land up taking a lot to the dump
[04:34:00] OldVolk: and i dont want to have to pay to get ride of it
[04:35:00] Beirdo: beats me how that is relevant to this channel
[04:35:00] jartz-myth: Ok, I'm on myth now... just very, very slow to connect... I'm geting a green screen on overlay — I searched gossamer-threads and don't see a solution to my issue — any tips, please? I'd like to get Myth working right again...
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[04:35:00] OldVolk: its not, just the fact that if someone here does live near by, they could come help themselves
[04:35:00] OldVolk: just trying to be nice, unlike some people
[04:36:00] Beirdo: just trying to stay somewhat on topic, unlike some people
[04:36:00] rpete: can't you just stick an ad in your local paper advertising cheap clearance sale
[04:36:00] Beirdo: jartz-myth: not sure what to suggest.
[04:37:00] jartz-myth: Audio works fine, so I know it's got the right input selected...
[04:37:00] iggy: Beirdo: you f'ing liar, you're the worst one in here about staying on topic
[04:37:00] GeckoFiend: jartz-myth are you using a multi-head setup of some sort?
[04:37:00] OldVolk: rpete, planning on it, but they said it takes a week to get it in, and well i dont really have a week
[04:37:00] ** Beirdo slaps iggy with a trout **
[04:37:00] jartz-myth: No. Nvidia GeForce4 440 iirc... let me check
[04:37:00] rpete: well I'd be happy to come take your stuff for free but I'm on the other coast :-)
[04:38:00] OldVolk: rpete, i could give you enought paper that your tires will pop
[04:38:00] Beirdo: iggy: I don't advertise for my personal gain in here. sure I can rant and discuss random shit...
[04:38:00] rpete: Beirdo, you're in a foul mood
[04:38:00] OldVolk: yeah i get a huge amount of gain by giving away thousands of dollars worth of goods
[04:38:00] rpete: he's basically saying you can have whatever you want for free
[04:39:00] Beirdo: blah blah blah
[04:39:00] OldVolk: i have to be out of the warehouse, or pay $6K
[04:39:00] OldVolk: i have some desk that are like $2K at staples
[04:39:00] Beirdo: so put an ad in your local paper and sell it
[04:40:00] Beirdo: still not the correct venue to be doing stuff to advertise your stuff.
[04:40:00] jartz-myth: NVidia GeForce 4 MX 420 — Single VGA
[04:40:00] Esotericisms: I wish I could just downgrade my pos lirc
[04:41:00] Beirdo: jartz-myth: have you searched the mailing lists?
[04:41:00] iggy: Beirdo: I read that as he was giving it away
[04:41:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: what can't you?
[04:41:00] ** gnarface cries. **
[04:41:00] OldVolk: i cant legally sale it, its a industrial zone, cant have commerical business taking place
[04:42:00] Esotericisms: nm .. it is already downgraded ... it is ivtv that I can't downgrade
[04:42:00] OldVolk: in this case it be retail sales, illegal :)
[04:42:00] Beirdo: sigh.
[04:42:00] Esotericisms: I think it is ivtv that has caused my problems
[04:42:00] jartz-myth: Yes, but so far what I've found was issues with green-screen on pvr350 output, or partial green-screen on recording. I didn't find anything that matched my issue...
[04:42:00] Beirdo: OldVolk: I wish you luck, but this ain't the venue
[04:42:00] OldVolk: whats trout have to do with myth
[04:43:00] Beirdo: it's a form of punishment.
[04:43:00] Beirdo: or general disrespect, etc.
[04:43:00] Beirdo: heh
[04:43:00] Beirdo: and iggy was beggin for it :)
[04:43:00] jartz-myth: Also threads about resolution setting, but I'm using 720x480... I think it's an overlay issue, probably the nvidia driver. How can I disable the nv driver to test? (sorry, pretty new to Linux)
[04:44:00] Esotericisms: very very annoying that it was working yesterday ... today ... nada
[04:44:00] jartz-myth: (and/or verify which version of the nvidia driver I have installed)
[04:44:00] Beirdo: Esotericisms: so what will ya break next? :)
[04:44:00] ** iggy laughs at Esotericisms' expense **
[04:44:00] rpete: OldVolk, call local charities, maybe one will haul it off and you can get a tax break
[04:44:00] iggy: rpete: ooh, good idea
[04:45:00] OldVolk: rpete ive already called the boys and girl club and a few churchs
[04:45:00] OldVolk: told them they come come take what they can, sell it as a fund raiser
[04:46:00] OldVolk: and i gave a church several truck loads of paper already, and a few desk they wanted and some essels (the esels alone cost like $89 each at staples)
[04:47:00] jartz-myth: -- Anybody got an idea of what I can check/try? (please?)
[04:47:00] Skif: Is there a way to force autoexpire to run? I have it set to go off when there' only 5G of space left, but I came home today and my filesystem is full.
[04:47:00] OldVolk: i put someone thing on craigs list too
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[04:48:00] elgoog: afternoon
[04:49:00] jartz-myth: elgoog: Maybe where you are, it's midnight here! ;-)
[04:49:00] Skif: Seems that if I just delete the .nuv files, I can never seem to delete the corresondng entries in the recordings list.
[04:49:00] Skif: corresponding, even (bah crappy chicony keyboard :)
[04:50:00] Beirdo: so delete from the recording list
[04:50:00] Skif: it doesn't delete
[04:50:00] SarahEmm: Skif: this is true. if that ever happens i have to touch the video file, then delete
[04:50:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: it doesn't delete.
[04:50:00] Skif: I click on delete, and nothing hapens.
[04:50:00] Beirdo: huh
[04:50:00] Skif: happens
[04:50:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: if the .nuv isn't there, you can't delete the db entry from the frontend
[04:50:00] Beirdo: why wouldn't it delete?
[04:50:00] SarahEmm: you have to touch the .nuv, then delete through the frontend
[04:50:00] Skif: damifino
[04:50:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: dunno, never bothered to look :)
[04:50:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: i just know it doesn't. i assume it bails out of the DELETE function when deleting the file 'fails' (because it's already gone)
[04:51:00] Beirdo: no, I mean just delete from the frontend, don't delete the .nuv first
[04:51:00] gnarface: AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[04:51:00] Skif: SarahEmm: how do you know the .nuv filename?
[04:51:00] SarahEmm: ahh, okay.
[04:51:00] Beirdo: there's no purpuse to deleting the .nuv first
[04:51:00] SarahEmm: Skif: the fe spits an error out saying 'can't find file xxx.nuv'
[04:51:00] jartz-myth: Guys, please... at least point me in the right direction — another irc channel, or something...
[04:51:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: i know, sometimes crashes blow away the .nuv tho for me :)
[04:51:00] SarahEmm: at least, used to.
[04:51:00] Beirdo: someone hand gnarface a new peg-leg
[04:51:00] Skif: Beirdo: I can't bring up the list in the frontend... just times out
[04:51:00] ** SarahEmm is feelign about the same as gnarface :P **
[04:52:00] Beirdo: Skif: ahhhhh
[04:52:00] Beirdo: OK
[04:52:00] Beirdo: well then yeah, delete the .nuv, then touch it
[04:52:00] Skif: ok
[04:52:00] ** Skif didn't know about the fe errormsg **
[04:52:00] Beirdo: or cat /dev/null > blah.nuv instead of deleting it
[04:53:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: wtf is your problem again?
[04:53:00] Skif: that would go on forever. Maybe dd if=/dev/null of=$file count=1
[04:53:00] Beirdo: um
[04:53:00] Beirdo: cat /dev/null > blah.nuv will take nearly no time
[04:53:00] Beirdo: have you ever tried that?
[04:54:00] Skif: I thought I had, and it ran forever, but maybe I'm imagining things.
[04:54:00] Beirdo: you must be
[04:54:00] Beirdo: it will truncate the file to a 0 byte file
[04:55:00] Beirdo: jartz-myth: if you won't even respond to people, don't expect much real help :)
[04:55:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: My problem is trying to setup my myth system — when testing video capture, I'm getting a green screen instead of video, but the sound works. It's an overlay issue, but what do I check? Forgive me if it's a stupid question — I'm trying to get myth setup properly again, and I did not have this issue on my 1st setup.
[04:55:00] jartz-myth: I was typing...
[04:55:00] ** Skif tries /dumbass off but gets "Can't turn dumbass mode off: too little long-term memory" **
[04:55:00] Beirdo: check the mailing list
[04:55:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: sounds like an ivtv config issue to me actually.
[04:55:00] jartz-myth: Shall I list the 100+ messages I've searched that don't address my issue?
[04:56:00] jartz-myth: I have searched the list.
[04:56:00] Beirdo: gnarface: no, it's an overlay issue
[04:56:00] jartz-myth: Jarod suggested I hop on here.
[04:56:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: are you using nvidia's binary drivers?
[04:56:00] jartz-myth: Yes.
[04:56:00] Beirdo: well, I dunno if anyone currently on knows the answer
[04:56:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: which version?
[04:57:00] jartz-myth: umm... let me check my install history... one sec (unless there's a command I can use to view it)
[04:57:00] gnarface: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log|grep 'NVIDIA X'
[04:57:00] jartz-myth: thx... one sec
[04:57:00] gnarface: change that first part with whatever your actual X log is. if you're using X.org it'll be named differently.
[04:58:00] gnarface: if your god hates you you don't have one.
[04:58:00] elgoog: so is there an irc channel to monitor myth commits?
[04:58:00] GreyFoxx: elgoog: no
[04:58:00] GreyFoxx: but there is a mailing list
[04:58:00] elgoog: ok, thx
[04:59:00] jartz-myth: (II) NVIDIA X Driver 1.0–6629 Wed Nov 3 13:14:07 PST 2004
[04:59:00] jartz-myth: Kernel: FC2 – 2.6.10–1.771_FC2
[05:00:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: ok. have you tested doing a cat /dev/v4l/video0 > blah.mpeg and then trying to play it back with mplayer?
[05:00:00] GreyFoxx: jartz-myth: Have you tried a newer version of the Nvidia drivers? There have been a few since 6629
[05:01:00] gnarface: GreyFoxx: he's better off with 6629. they're the last fairly stable ones that work with everything.
[05:01:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: yes — seems to record fine, but playback gives a green screen — same result playing directly from /dev/video0 with mplayer.
[05:02:00] iggy: mythtv still crashes when I exit from watching a recording
[05:02:00] GreyFoxx: I haven't tried 7174 personally but I had issues with the one njust prior
[05:02:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: did you make sure to compile mplayer with support for nvidia's xv?
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[05:03:00] jartz-myth: Greyfoxx: I think I tried to install the 7xxx driver — I ran into some issue (which I can't recall now...), so I used 6629 instead.
[05:03:00] jartz-myth: I guess I could try it again now, and see what happens...
[05:04:00] GreyFoxx: I'm using 6629 on my system, but then I haven't had reason to try the latest versions as mine works perfectly for me
[05:04:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: which pvr card are you using?
[05:04:00] jartz-myth: I used Jarod's guide, so I didn't compile mplayer. Just using what's 'out of the box' with the 'apt-get install mythtv-suite'
[05:05:00] gnarface: how come i see so many people who can't get their shit working start by saying 'i used jarod's guide'?
[05:05:00] gnarface: that's bad product image, fyi kids.
[05:05:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: PVR-250 currently. I have a 350 and a HD3000, but have removed them from the system currently.
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[05:05:00] gnarface: gnarface: which firmware did you use?
[05:05:00] jartz-myth: sorry... Jarod's guide is great.
[05:05:00] gnarface: heh.
[05:05:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: er, which firmware did you use? i recommend getting the one off the cd that came with your card.
[05:06:00] jartz-myth: I know from experience that it's nearly impossible to cover every single possibility... So I don't think we can expect perfection from a single guide.
[05:06:00] ** gnarface is so sleep-deprived he's now talking to himself. **
[05:06:00] jartz-myth: Right now I'm not concerned about the HD3000 — I'm just getting the 250 to work first, then I'll introduce the 350 (input only), then the HD3000.
[05:07:00] SarahEmm: woot. i'm 23 :)
[05:07:00] gnarface: right now?
[05:07:00] gnarface: just then?
[05:07:00] ** SarahEmm nods **
[05:07:00] SarahEmm: s'midnight :)
[05:07:00] gnarface: well congrads.
[05:07:00] Beirdo: SarahEmm: for the first time? :)
[05:07:00] gnarface: lol.
[05:07:00] SarahEmm: lol. yes :P
[05:07:00] SarahEmm: first time.
[05:07:00] Beirdo: congrats :)
[05:07:00] EricAnderson: Anyone ever had the blueosd all of a sudden start being gray?
[05:07:00] jartz-myth: SarahEmm: Happy Birthday!
[05:07:00] SarahEmm: thanks :)
[05:07:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: OSD under XvMC is gray
[05:08:00] EricAnderson: ah
[05:08:00] EricAnderson: XvMC is not seeming to be much better than software :(
[05:09:00] GreyFoxx: was a weird limitation when dealing with XvMC, but I've heard talk of maybe getting colour in there as well
[05:09:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: Well, it wont improve image quality, but it should improve CPU usage.
[05:09:00] EricAnderson: I find xvmc flickers alot too
[05:09:00] EricAnderson: image quality is about the same
[05:09:00] EricAnderson: and cpu usage is about the smae
[05:09:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: if you want my help you'll take my shit AND answer my questions. what *FIRMWARE* are you using?
[05:10:00] GreyFoxx: did you compile with OpenGL/VSync support ?
[05:10:00] EricAnderson: compile what
[05:11:00] GreyFoxx: MythTV
[05:11:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: Whatever was installed with "apt-get install ivtv-firmware"
[05:11:00] EricAnderson: let me check my useflags
[05:11:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: you might want to consider trying to get the firmware from the cd that came with your card. i've always had the best luck that way.
[05:12:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: I dont know if I have VSync... i know i have opengl
[05:12:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: I don't have a disc for the 250 — I bought it off ebay. I have a driver disc for my 350, but it's for winblows...
[05:12:00] GreyFoxx: as long as opengl is compiledin, then it would give the frontend the option of using it for vsync
[05:12:00] EricAnderson: hmm
[05:13:00] EricAnderson: so I should enable that, wherever it is
[05:13:00] GreyFoxx: I don't remember if you have to set an option for it, or just compile in the support
[05:14:00] GreyFoxx: my stuff is offline right now so I can't check easily :)
[05:14:00] EricAnderson: right
[05:14:00] EricAnderson: Let me check
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[05:16:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: my green-screen experiences were with gentoo and a matrox card. they disappeared somewhere between when i remembered to add v4l2 support to mplayer and when i figured out how to use ivtvctl to set the input on the card to the right channel. during that time the ivtv drivers upgraded many times and the real problem may actually have been from a kt133 chipset's inability to load the damn firmware correctly.
[05:16:00] EricAnderson: any guess wher eit would be in setup
[05:17:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: humm.. That would show up in the logs, right? I'll take a look at the ivtv log entries now and see if there's any errors or such...
[05:17:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: actually my firmware misloading was annoyingly silent. ALSO, firmware misfires (or even changes) require a cold boot.
[05:18:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: She's been booted a few times since install... (and almost physically in a few cases!!!) I'm still gonna check the ivtv...
[05:19:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: if you're on an old via chipset especially, get the newest 3.3x ivtv drivers
[05:19:00] jartz-myth: I think it's an overlay issue though... I can get audio by doing the test from playing directly from /dev/video0 with mplayer and switching to svideo0 input...
[05:19:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: what happens when you run mplayer with -vo xv
[05:19:00] gnarface: ?
[05:20:00] jartz-myth: umm... let's see.. mb is Syntax brand... Ahh.. Via VT8235 chip ...
[05:20:00] jartz-myth: i dunno.. I'll try it...
[05:20:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: danger will robinson. and what version of ivtv are you using?
[05:20:00] pookSter: can anyone explaing why when I type "yum install mythtv-suite" it says after checking "No match for arguement mythtv-suite.
[05:21:00] jartz-myth: Hey.. that works!
[05:21:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: also go through the nvidia readme and scour your X config thoroughly. tweak it till its perfect. pay special attention to the module load lines
[05:21:00] gnarface: pookSter: because you should be using gentoo
[05:21:00] pookSter: huh?
[05:21:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: you only want these modules, no more no less: Load "glx"
[05:21:00] gnarface: Load "record"
[05:21:00] gnarface: Load "extmod"
[05:21:00] gnarface: Load "dbe" # Double buffer extension
[05:21:00] gnarface: Load "xtrap"
[05:21:00] gnarface: Load "type1"
[05:21:00] gnarface: Load "freetype"
[05:22:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: I take it that "-vo xv" does not use the video overlay?
[05:22:00] gnarface: pookSter: i mean, no idea. i've never even used yum
[05:22:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: no it *forces* the overlay.
[05:22:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: try other stuff too. mplayer --help, mplayer -vo help
[05:23:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: OK.. so ivtv... let's check the version.. one sec...
[05:23:00] SarahEmm: nini all :)
[05:23:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: try other -vo options. the -vo help will list the ones available.
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[05:24:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: have you put the video file on another computer to verify the green isn't in the recording?
[05:25:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: That's what I just played back successfully via 'mplayer -vo xv /tmp/test_capture_video0.mpg"
[05:26:00] [Klatuu]: damn mythgame
[05:26:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: clarify please... -vo xv fixed it?
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[05:27:00] jartz-myth: It works if -vo xv is specified... let me check if it 'fixed it', or if it only works with '-vo xv'...
[05:27:00] EricAnderson: How does one enable OpenGL/VSync ???
[05:27:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: Without '-vo xv' it's just a green screen...
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[05:27:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: so mplayer isn't using the hardware overlay by default. sucks but should be easy to fix. any other problems?
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[05:29:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: Actually, I guess not — I don't intend on using this as a frontend + backend, just a backend... So as long as I can verify that the input is recording properly (which we just did), then I guess I'm set on that issue...
[05:29:00] jartz-myth: gnarface:
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[05:29:00] gnarface: cool. my work here is done.
[05:29:00] gnarface: time to go play WoW till i pass out from exhaustion
[05:29:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: Do you forsee any issues with adding my 350 in, and perhaps my HD3000?
[05:30:00] jartz-myth: (I don't think the 350 will be an issue, but what about the HD3000?)
[05:30:00] jartz-myth: (sorry, just when you were ready for a nap!)
[05:30:00] rtsai1111: i've heard hd-3000/dvb coexists more nicely with ivtv than hd-3000/v4l
[05:30:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: no idea with the HD3000 but with multiple cards i do know you want to make sure you're getting the audio digitally, instead of with cables.
[05:30:00] gnarface: oh
[05:30:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: make sure you have multi-device support turned on in your kernel.
[05:31:00] gnarface: i'll no doubt be on again in somewhere around 8 hours afterwhenever i fall asleep at my keyboard playing World of Warcraft. happy friday everyone!
[05:31:00] jartz-myth: I had it working a few months ago with the 250 and 350, so would that seem to indicate the 'multi-device' support is enabled?
[05:31:00] gnarface: jartz-myth: yea.
[05:32:00] jartz-myth: gnarface: Thanks alot.
[05:32:00] EricAnderson: is there a verbose mode for mythtv... so I can find out whats enabled
[05:32:00] EricAnderson: err, whats compiled in
[05:33:00] jartz-myth: Thanks all! In the words of the CA Governor... "I'll Be Back!"  ;-) ttyl...
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[05:33:00] rtsai1111: look at config.h?
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[05:34:00] rtsai1111: i don't think there's a run-time command-line flag for mythtv program to report their compile flags, though
[05:34:00] EricAnderson: is there a verbose mode?
[05:34:00] EricAnderson: Or a frontend log?
[05:34:00] rtsai1111: "-v"
[05:34:00] GreyFoxx: there is a verbose mode
[05:35:00] GreyFoxx: run it with --help
[05:35:00] rtsai1111: mythfrontend --verbose all --logfile /var/log/mythfrontend.log
[05:35:00] GreyFoxx: it will log to stdout unless you tell it to use afile
[05:35:00] EricAnderson: k
[05:35:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: That will tell me the VSync stuff that I need
[05:36:00] GreyFoxx: is that a statement or a question ?
[05:36:00] EricAnderson: neither and both
[05:36:00] GreyFoxx: you can find out if it's uusing opengl vsync through verbose yes, but it wont tell you anything about what was compiled into the binary
[05:37:00] EricAnderson: thats what I need though :)
[05:37:00] EricAnderson: err, the vsync
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[05:42:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: 2005-05–20 21:36:34.318 Video timing method: SGI OpenGL
[05:42:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: 2005-05–20 21:36:34.271 OpenGLVideoSync: GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info GLX_EXT_visual_rating GLX_SGIX_fbconfig GLX_SGIX_pbuffer GLX_SGI_video_sync GLX_SG
[05:42:00] EricAnderson: I_swap_control GLX_ARB_multisample GLX_NV_float_buffer GLX_ARB_get_proc_address
[05:42:00] GreyFoxx: sounds about right
[05:42:00] EricAnderson: So I guess its using the video sync, but it still kind of sucks...
[05:43:00] GreyFoxx: try running the nvidia-settings util and see if there are any sync to vblank or other options to be enabled
[05:43:00] EricAnderson: k
[05:44:00] GreyFoxx: man , if only HD's were 100x the speed to read/write from
[05:44:00] GreyFoxx: I hate wait for gigs and gigs of data to move between drives
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[05:45:00] rtsai1111: GreyFoxx: over network, or just between two local drives?
[05:46:00] rtsai1111: but yeah, annoying
[05:46:00] GreyFoxx: local drives
[05:46:00] rtsai1111: you can also watch drive temps creep up, fun fun
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[05:46:00] GreyFoxx: heh yeah
[05:52:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: So... I was able to turn on the opengl sync to vblank in nvidia-settings (any idea if that saves???) ... but my mythfrontend is taking alot more cpu now
[05:52:00] EricAnderson: still spend 20–35% of my CPU time wa
[05:52:00] rtsai1111: look for a .nvidia-settings kind of file
[05:53:00] GreyFoxx: the sync to vblank is to help keeping it from having flicker/tearing
[05:53:00] GreyFoxx: shouldn't really affect cpu usage
[05:53:00] EricAnderson: ah
[05:53:00] EricAnderson: it still flickers and sometimes does so for the 3 seconds requiered to see the info
[05:55:00] EricAnderson: top
[05:55:00] EricAnderson: oops
[05:56:00] EricAnderson: holy shit
[05:56:00] EricAnderson: so I think my filesystem is part of the problem
[05:57:00] GreyFoxx: oh? What FS ?
[05:57:00] EricAnderson: I just told this shit to record, and now my idle percent is much better
[05:57:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[05:57:00] EricAnderson: ext3
[05:59:00] EricAnderson: is there a better one than ext3
[05:59:00] GreyFoxx: for myth a lot of people use XFS, or reiser
[05:59:00] EricAnderson: hmm
[05:59:00] GreyFoxx: up until 5 minutes ago I was using XFS
[05:59:00] EricAnderson: but no journal sucks huh
[06:00:00] GreyFoxx: XFS is a journalling filesystem
[06:00:00] EricAnderson: oh, i was thinking jfs
[06:00:00] EricAnderson: so why switch
[06:00:00] GreyFoxx: jfs is ajournalling fs
[06:00:00] GreyFoxx: that's actually what the acronym means :)
[06:00:00] EricAnderson: then wtf am I thinking!?!
[06:00:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: Just trying different things, since I was putting in another 250G drive anyway
[06:01:00] pookSter: bah, looks like there is no apt-get or yum mythtv-suite for amd64 ver
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[06:16:00] [Klatuu]: xfs rocks
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[06:40:00] poonj: hey guys...I have 2 lineups for my Zap2It account, one for cable, and one for antenna
[06:40:00] poonj: how can I download the channels for one particular lineup in mythfilldatabase?
[06:41:00] poonj: because I'm trying to setup two separate channel listings
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[06:50:00] linagee: :-( why don't they make any new stargate atlantis?
[06:50:00] linagee: my mythtv is broken. only rerun stargate atlantises. something must be wrong. :-(
[06:52:00] GreyFoxx: linagee: The season has ended and I don't think any new episodes are until July
[06:52:00] GreyFoxx: it ended like more than a month ago
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[06:53:00] linagee: GreyFoxx: argh. excuses. once everyone starts using PVRs, they will realize they have to keep having fresh content instead of showing the same stuff over and over or get ignored by the PVRs.
[06:54:00] linagee: GreyFoxx: power to the people and all that anarchist type talk. lol
[06:54:00] GreyFoxx: be a long time before the majority of people use PVR's :)
[06:54:00] GreyFoxx: it will just mean more crappy short lived shows between seasons :)
[06:55:00] linagee: GreyFoxx: because regular tv just "works"? does it really though? can you really have a full time job or be on call and watch the shows you want to watch. lol.
[06:56:00] GreyFoxx: linagee: I can because I have a PVR. But obviously the rest of the world is getting along without
[06:56:00] linagee: GreyFoxx: but how? just either ignore tv altogether or just watch crap?
[06:56:00] GreyFoxx: how what ?
[06:56:00] linagee: how do they get along without? heh
[06:57:00] GreyFoxx: because TV is not that important
[06:57:00] GreyFoxx: most of the TV out there is crap anyway :)
[06:57:00] linagee: GreyFoxx: it is to me. it passifies me. makes me think my life is worth living even if i don't have a boyfriend and my parents don't know i won't have a girlfriend. :-P
[06:58:00] linagee: GreyFoxx: your crap is another man's less than crap. :-)
[06:58:00] GreyFoxx: Then you better start petitioning the companies that make the crap to make more just for you and those of a like mind :)
[06:59:00] linagee: GreyFoxx: why? if tivo is easier to use and thus the logical choice if money is no object, then users will vote through tivo like they do already. neilson ratings and such. :-)
[07:00:00] GreyFoxx: You are making no sense, and I suspect that is your goal in this conversation :)
[07:00:00] linagee: yes. :-)
[07:00:00] GreyFoxx: And therefore I leave you to your nonsensical drivel :)
[07:01:00] linagee: GreyFoxx: blah blah blah, mythtv, blah blah blah, good shows missing, blah blah blah. :-)
[07:03:00] linagee: how can i spend $105 on gasoline in one week? lol.
[07:03:00] ** linagee loves quicken. "Make me a report that shows how much i spend on gas each week." hehehe. **
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[07:56:00] landis: can anyone point me in the direction of answers to a "Timed out waiting for free video buffers" lockout when trying to start watching tv?
[07:57:00] landis: google is failing me at the moment
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[08:50:00] OldVolk: i put that ati all in wonder card i had in a windows xp box
[08:50:00] OldVolk: i clicked pause, and it crashed the computer
[08:50:00] OldVolk: lol
[08:53:00] OldVolk: whats the major diffrence between the PVR-150 and PVR-250 ?
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[09:44:00] jasoncohen: where's the mythconverg db stored?
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[10:05:00] jason_: i'm attempting to restore my db from a backup and i'm getting this error
[10:06:00] jason_: ERROR 1064 at line 21: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1' at line 7
[10:06:00] jason_: i used the command " mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg < mythtvbackup.sql"
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[13:19:00] hooch: hi, has anybody here got the DVICO DVB-T card going on ubuntu ?
[13:20:00] Skaface: hooch: possibly
[13:20:00] Skaface: ive got the australian version, not sure how different that is
[13:20:00] Skaface: in debian
[13:20:00] Skaface: ah, its the fusion HDTV DVB-T that i have
[13:21:00] hooch: picked one up from eyo
[13:22:00] hooch: what kernel version did u get it running under?
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[15:51:00] gnome42: Beirdo: Do you have a minute to send me the lspci -vvv -xxx output from your nforce2 box?
[15:52:00] Beirdo: sure, one sec
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[15:52:00] gnome42: ok, thx
[15:54:00] Beirdo: http://www2.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/files/lspci.txt
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[16:03:00] _gnome42: Beirdo: my machine hung :/ Thanks again I got the file.
[16:03:00] jason_: i'm having trouble installing the ivtv driver in ubuntu hoary (figured i would try something new on my desktop system). ivtv compiles and looks like it's installing against the right kernel version (2.6.10-5–386), however it isn't because i don't see ivtv.ko in /usr/lib/modules/2.6.10-5–386
[16:03:00] jason_: what could be causing the install to screw up?
[16:05:00] Beirdo: maybe look where the modules go
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[16:05:00] jason_: that's the strange thing...they still seem to be going to /lib/modules/2.6.10 even though my kernel makefile has the extraversion set to -5–386
[16:05:00] Beirdo: i.e. /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[16:05:00] jason_: uname -r shows 2.6.10-5–386
[16:06:00] Beirdo: well then you screwed something up :)
[16:06:00] jason_: when i copied /lib/modules/2.6.10/ivtv to /lib/modules/2.6.10-5–386 it loaded the modules but i got errors
[16:06:00] jason_: i'm betting i didn't copy all the necessary files over
[16:06:00] jason_: Beirdo, what could i have missed?
[16:07:00] Beirdo: I dunno, figure it out :)
[16:07:00] jason_: should i compile against kernel source or kernel headers?
[16:12:00] Beirdo: whichever ivtv expects
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[16:13:00] landis: has anyone see the "Timed out waiting for free video buffers" problem before?
[16:14:00] bobc: jason_: there are docs for ivtv on hoary on mythtv.info. they worked for me
[16:14:00] jason_: thanks
[16:14:00] jason_: bobc, did you have to rebuild you kernel?
[16:14:00] bobc: jason_: no
[16:15:00] bobc: jason_: I did a fresh install three or four times and updated the docs so that it included every step
[16:16:00] bobc: jason_: also included compiling mythtv and plugins
[16:16:00] jason_: ah, already did that
[16:16:00] jason_: and i imported my backup db from mdk
[16:16:00] jason_: though i had to update from 4.0.23 to 4.1.11 to do so
[16:17:00] bobc: I think the only difference is that it said that the modules where in /lib/modules/2.6.10/misc, when they are actually in ivtv as you saw
[16:18:00] bobc: I don't know why compiling ivtv puts it into the wrong the directory, but it does every time
[16:18:00] jason_: but they should be in /lib/modules/'(uname -r)'
[16:18:00] jason_: i can't seem to find this howto
[16:18:00] bobc: right
[16:18:00] jason_: ah,i see it
[16:20:00] bobc: I'm going to update the part about /lib/modules/2.6.10/extra (I was wrong earlier) to /lib/modules/2.6.10/ivtv
[16:21:00] jason_: wget http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/software/pvr25 . . . _18a_inf.zip
[16:21:00] jason_: sudo ./ivtvfwextract.pl pvr250_18a_inf.zip ..what's that?
[16:22:00] bobc: that step is to get the firmware
[16:22:00] bobc: I don't know if it works because I have a 150 and got mine off the CD
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[16:23:00] jason_: the firmware for what?
[16:24:00] jason_: i never had to do that in mdk. i just installed the ivtv drivers
[16:24:00] bobc: for the PVR250
[16:24:00] bobc: you always needed the firmware
[16:24:00] bobc: did you install using packages?
[16:24:00] jason_: nope
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[16:25:00] bobc: my mdk install needed the firmware when I did it, though that was 1 1/2 years ago
[16:25:00] bobc: trust me, you need the firmware
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[16:26:00] bobc: I don't believe any distro besides knoppmyth comes with the firmware for ivtv
[16:26:00] Beirdo: then you'd be wrong
[16:26:00] bobc: ? which ones?
[16:26:00] Beirdo: it's in atrpms, do FC* gets it
[16:27:00] Beirdo: so rather
[16:27:00] bobc: not quite what I said though is it?
[16:27:00] Beirdo: yes it is
[16:28:00] Charles: hey, does anyone know of install issues with the latest ATrpms mythtv-suite package... heres my apt-get failing http://www.phpriot.com/881g
[16:28:00] Cardoe: Gentoo ebuilds install the firmware automatically
[16:28:00] Beirdo: that's how you install from packages for that distro.
[16:28:00] bobc: that's why I asked him if he installed from a package and he hadn't
[16:28:00] Charles: http://www.phpriot.com/881 actually, that is it
[16:29:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: so I've begun to autotool the sources.
[16:29:00] Beirdo: Cardoe... such a waste of effort
[16:29:00] Cardoe: I want to learn autotool.
[16:29:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:29:00] Cardoe: it's a sizable project to learn it on
[16:30:00] jason_: lol, i'm a moron
[16:30:00] Cardoe: realistically, a lot of fixes they need to do
[16:30:00] Cardoe: but are limited by CVS
[16:30:00] Beirdo: so you're going to learn where it will never be used
[16:30:00] jason_: i just deleted /usr/lib/modules/2.6.10-5–386
[16:30:00] Cardoe: like a lot of renames and moves.
[16:30:00] jason_: can i rebuild them?
[16:30:00] Beirdo: why don't you go over to #ubuntu
[16:31:00] jason_: sorry
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[16:32:00] bobc: jason_: don't be sorry, Beirdo just doesn't like being proven wrong about something and gets testy
[16:33:00] Beirdo: bobc: you're just being an idiot
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[16:33:00] jason_: bobc, you were right. that was precisely the problem
[16:34:00] bobc: Beirdo: you just have a little trouble with reading comprehension. nothing to be ashamed about
[16:34:00] Beirdo: you are definitely an idiot
[16:34:00] jason_: bobc, i didn't have one of the firmware tools
[16:34:00] jason_: causing ivtv to fail to load
[16:35:00] Beirdo: I hope you don't need help later, bobc. Insulting the people who would be helping you is a BAD idea
[16:35:00] jason_: bobc, thanks for the help bobc
[16:36:00] bobc: Beirdo: I will definitely be needing help at some point. however I have actually tried to help someone as you just saw rather than go off on them
[16:36:00] bobc: jason_: you're welcome
[16:36:00] bobc: Beirdo: I respect the amount of effort and time that you put into helping people here
[16:36:00] Beirdo: he's asking distro-specific questions, pointing him to the distro's channel is not out of line
[16:37:00] jason_: bobc, what's the purpose of the init.d file? won't /etc/modules load it on boot?
[16:37:00] Beirdo: and another...
[16:37:00] bobc: he asked a question that was common to installing mythtv
[16:37:00] Beirdo: this is not #ubuntu :)
[16:38:00] Beirdo: if you need to learn how ubuntu works, this is far from the best venue for it
[16:38:00] jason_: Beirdo, i'm asking a mythtv related question to someone who uses Ubuntu. That is more on topic than this chanell usually is :)
[16:38:00] bobc: you have to install myth on some distro or other – these were not distro specific questions per se
[16:38:00] GeckoFiend: <jason_> bobc, what's the purpose of the init.d file? won't /etc/modules load it on boot?
[16:38:00] GeckoFiend: doesn't have jack all to do with Myth.
[16:39:00] Beirdo: that's pretty distro-specific :)
[16:39:00] bobc: you pull out one question after all that?
[16:39:00] jason_: lol, can we please drop this
[16:39:00] bobc: you're right – I'm sure I couldn't find Beirdo discussing anything that wasn't specific to mythtv in all the logs
[16:39:00] Beirdo: and the rest was technically ivtv
[16:40:00] jason_: this topic is itself more off-topic than what the argument is focused on
[16:40:00] jason_: it's pointless
[16:40:00] bobc: jason_: you're right, I will stop now and I apologize to Beirdo
[16:41:00] ** Beirdo wonders what distro jason_ will try next :) **
[16:41:00] jason_: Beirdo has helped me in the past. I have no reason to pick a fight with him
[16:41:00] jason_: Beirdo, i think i'll stick with ubuntu or debian testing
[16:41:00] Cardoe: bobc: does idioticy come natural or did you have to practice?
[16:41:00] Beirdo: I'm a bit irritable today, I'll admit it :)
[16:42:00] jason_: Cardoe, seriously, did you have to make this worse?
[16:42:00] Cardoe: lemme think.
[16:42:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:42:00] Beirdo: anyone want a cold?
[16:43:00] Beirdo: it's available for cheap
[16:43:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: you transfer all rights?
[16:43:00] Cardoe: or retain some ownership for a limited amount of time prior to transfering rights?
[16:43:00] Beirdo: heh, yup. but you have to take it all
[16:44:00] ** Beirdo starts another L&O-SVU on the myth box **
[16:45:00] Cardoe: L&O is awesome
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[16:46:00] ** Beirdo wonders if the myth box he wants to buy will even fit where he wants to put it **
[16:49:00] Beirdo: anyone in here using a Silverstone LC10?
[16:50:00] Cardoe: what's that?
[16:50:00] Cardoe: case?
[16:50:00] Beirdo: yes
[16:50:00] Beirdo: a particularly nice one
[16:50:00] Cardoe: I need a nice case.
[16:50:00] sphing: can anyone help with me a kernel panic?
[16:50:00] Cardoe: and bigger drives.
[16:51:00] Cardoe: sphing: yeah that's a big issue.
[16:51:00] Cardoe: sphing: distro?
[16:51:00] Cardoe: what's it panic at
[16:51:00] sphing: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (3,0)
[16:51:00] sphing: debian
[16:51:00] sphing: trying to load 2.6.11
[16:51:00] Beirdo: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc10.htm
[16:51:00] Cardoe: sphing: where on your HD is your / partition?
[16:51:00] sphing: its an ext3 partition, which is buit into the kernel, not as a module
[16:52:00] sphing: my root is hda3, my boot is hda1
[16:52:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: nice
[16:52:00] Cardoe: sphing: did you use grub?
[16:52:00] Beirdo: are the drivers for IDE built in?
[16:52:00] sphing: lilo
[16:52:00] Cardoe: or is debian still on lilo
[16:52:00] Beirdo: dunno
[16:52:00] ** Cardoe grumbles. **
[16:52:00] Beirdo: have to ask in #debian
[16:52:00] sphing: Beirdo: Yes they are built in
[16:52:00] Cardoe: sphing: so let's see your boot line?
[16:52:00] Cardoe: do you hav
[16:52:00] Cardoe: root=/dev/hda3
[16:53:00] sphing: root=/dev/hda
[16:53:00] Beirdo: no
[16:53:00] Beirdo: there's your problem
[16:53:00] sphing: because when i have /dev/hda3 it gives an error
[16:53:00] Cardoe: Cardoe's line.
[16:53:00] Cardoe: sphing: if you get an error on hda3 then ext3 or your IDE drivers are built as modules.
[16:53:00] sphing: i'm positive they are built in... i've checked it 5 times
[16:53:00] Cardoe: ok
[16:53:00] Cardoe: set it to hda3
[16:53:00] sphing: i changed to hda3
[16:54:00] Cardoe: hda is the entire drive
[16:54:00] Cardoe: not a partition
[16:54:00] sphing: its booting...
[16:54:00] Cardoe: what's the error when you do that?
[16:54:00] ** Beirdo continues coughing up a storm **
[16:54:00] sphing: Please append a correct root= boot option\n Kernel panic – not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3)
[16:55:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: I like that case
[16:55:00] sphing: its a epia m10k
[16:55:00] Cardoe: how tall?
[16:55:00] Beirdo: 163mm
[16:56:00] Beirdo: about 6.5"
[16:56:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: that's regular case size?
[16:56:00] Cardoe: sphing: your ext3 or IDE drivers aren't built in
[16:56:00] Beirdo: it's bigger than the Antec Aria I have now, but it should cool better, and can take ATX
[16:56:00] Beirdo: it's 16" wide AV gear sized
[16:57:00] ** Cardoe nods. **
[16:57:00] sphing: Cardoe: one sec I'll post my .config on pastebin
[16:57:00] Beirdo: and 16" deep
[16:57:00] Cardoe: sphing: really... no.
[16:57:00] Cardoe: Cause I don't even know the IDE device of epia m10k
[16:57:00] Cardoe: so I couldn't tell you
[16:58:00] Beirdo: because it can do ATX, I can put in an AMD64 fullsize board :)
[16:58:00] sphing: i got a config from epiawiki.org specifically for this mobo...
[16:58:00] Cardoe: grep 'CONFIG_EXT3' /usr/src/linux/.config
[16:58:00] Cardoe: bleh. I hate copying other people's configs.
[16:58:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: you're nuts
[16:58:00] sphing: yea i mean I went throught it
[16:59:00] Beirdo: why am I nuts?
[16:59:00] Cardoe: I dunno
[16:59:00] Cardoe: sphing: what did that turn up
[16:59:00] Cardoe: sphing: running that grep command
[16:59:00] Beirdo: OK, what makes you think I'm nuts?
[16:59:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: so much power by your TV
[16:59:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:59:00] Cardoe: ideally I want my backend somewhere tucked away
[16:59:00] Cardoe: and a small frontend only for the TV
[17:00:00] Beirdo: well, it'd run way cooler than the Sempron 2800 I have now
[17:00:00] sphing: CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y
[17:00:00] Beirdo: and it will have the power required to do HDTV
[17:00:00] ** iggy humps his winchester core amd64 **
[17:01:00] Beirdo: just not sure if it will physically fit on the shelf I wanna put it on ;)
[17:01:00] Beirdo: having a CPU that runs at room temperature with that much oomph is super sweet
[17:02:00] Beirdo: and microATX socket 939 is hard to find
[17:03:00] sphing: Cardoe: any other Ideas?
[17:03:00] Cardoe: sphing: your IDE controller
[17:03:00] Cardoe: which I don't know
[17:03:00] Cardoe: iggy: ya bastard. SHARE!
[17:03:00] ** Beirdo humps his various AMD64 machines **
[17:03:00] Ashlar: hrmm.. rebuilt my backend last night, and now no icons in the epg.. ran mkiconmap.pl and got a good iconmap.xml.. but the mythfilldatabase --import-icon-map iconmap.xml --update-icon-map doesn't grab any icons or fill networkiconmap table.. any ideas?
[17:04:00] sphing: i have the the VIA82CXX chipset installed in... and my lspci -v tells me its a VT82C586A/B
[17:05:00] sphing: (my 2.4.18 works)
[17:05:00] Beirdo: sphing: so use that
[17:05:00] sphing: it is installed
[17:05:00] sphing: still get the error
[17:07:00] Beirdo: I don't think we can really help you much with that board, sphing.
[17:08:00] jason_: can the mythbackend init.d file in contrib be used with debian/ubuntu?
[17:08:00] Beirdo: you will have to find someone who has one
[17:08:00] Beirdo: jason_: quite likely.
[17:09:00] Beirdo: Isaac uses debian and/or ubuntu. I would expect that the script would likely work, or that there would be one around that would
[17:09:00] iggy: sphing: did you ever paste the .config?
[17:09:00] sphing: no.. but i will if you're interested
[17:09:00] iggy: do it, do it
[17:10:00] Beirdo: not into the channel :)
[17:10:00] Beirdo: put it on pastebin.ca
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[17:10:00] Beirdo: :)
[17:10:00] iggy: no
[17:10:00] iggy: put it on rafb.net/paste
[17:10:00] Beirdo: or one of the many others
[17:10:00] iggy: pastebin blows, it wraps lines
[17:10:00] jason_: Beirdo, so the backend init.d script does not rely on the sysconfig backend script?
[17:10:00] Beirdo: but please not into the channel
[17:10:00] iggy: I can't read wrapped lines
[17:10:00] sphing: yea Beirdo i kno
[17:10:00] Beirdo: iggy: umm, not that I've seen
[17:10:00] iggy: and I don't help people who paste to pastebin
[17:11:00] Beirdo: pastebin.com sucks
[17:11:00] Cardoe: sphing: grep 'CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA' /usr/src/linux/.config
[17:11:00] Beirdo: pastebin.ca doesn't
[17:11:00] Beirdo: different software
[17:11:00] iggy: Beirdo: sure, whatever
[17:11:00] Beirdo: but whatever :)
[17:11:00] Cardoe: iggy: I'm gotta edit the init script some more
[17:11:00] Beirdo: paste to <pastebin of choice>
[17:11:00] Cardoe: iggy: default START_MTD="no" in /etc/conf.d/mythbackend
[17:12:00] Cardoe: iggy: but if it's yes... it'll start the mtd daemon
[17:12:00] Beirdo: Cardoe: good idea
[17:12:00] Beirdo: you might want to put in something for mythjobqueue too
[17:12:00] Cardoe: that'd be good too
[17:12:00] Cardoe: thx
[17:12:00] Beirdo: in case people want to run that on non-backend machines
[17:13:00] Beirdo: it seriously needs a --daemon mode
[17:13:00] Cardoe: can you guys not get opengl support to work?
[17:13:00] iggy: what's mtd?
[17:13:00] Cardoe: cause apparently it's busted without a patch
[17:13:00] Beirdo: myth transcode daemon
[17:13:00] Cardoe: in 0.18.1
[17:13:00] Beirdo: used for mythdvd, I thin
[17:13:00] Beirdo: think
[17:14:00] Beirdo: Cardoe: I can't use opengl... ATI card :)
[17:14:00] iggy: that would be cool
[17:14:00] sphing: iggy: http://rafb.net/paste/results/2vQWvC39.html
[17:14:00] iggy: Cardoe: maybe we need an mtd ebuild?
[17:14:00] Cardoe: iggy: it's part of the MythTV install
[17:14:00] iggy: and?
[17:14:00] iggy: will it not compile on it's own?
[17:15:00] Beirdo: I don't know if it's of any use without mythtv
[17:15:00] sphing: Cardoe: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y
[17:15:00] Beirdo: but I'm not really sure of the details
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[17:15:00] Cardoe: iggy: why exactly have a seperate build processs
[17:15:00] Cardoe: considering there's no way with the current scripts to stop it from being built.
[17:15:00] Cardoe: so every emerge mythtv is gonna get it
[17:15:00] iggy: so you can install it without all of mythtv?
[17:16:00] Cardoe: and then it still deps on mythtv
[17:16:00] iggy: okay, that's what I asked before that noone answered
[17:16:00] Cardoe: iggy: why would you want to install it without mythtv?
[17:16:00] iggy: so fuck you, if you had answered my first question, we could have saved 15 lines of typing
[17:16:00] Beirdo: iggy: I answered
[17:17:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:17:00] Cardoe: it's the connector glue between MythDVD and the MythTV backend?
[17:17:00] Beirdo: I said "I don't know"
[17:17:00] Cardoe: iggy: feel the love.
[17:17:00] Beirdo: better that than feel the wrath
[17:18:00] ** iggy sticks his boot in the love then forcibly inserts it into Cardoe's ass **
[17:18:00] Beirdo: ewww
[17:19:00] Cardoe: way to get pissy about something
[17:19:00] Ashlar: dammit, I got love all over me.. sheesh
[17:19:00] Ashlar: that shit stains, too
[17:19:00] laga: sick fuckers
[17:20:00] Beirdo: laga: they are Gentoo freaks, you expected any different? :)
[17:20:00] laga: you know, some people here may actually be hung over and are having problems to keep their breakfast in even without dirty talking ;)
[17:20:00] laga: Beirdo: heheh
[17:20:00] iggy: sphing: your .config looks okay, does the kernel output up to that point show it detecting the controller and the drives
[17:21:00] Beirdo: laga: some people here drank 151 proof rum last night, but still don't have a hangover
[17:22:00] laga: Beirdo: lucky boy ;)
[17:22:00] iggy: and some of us have bigger wangs than others
[17:22:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[17:22:00] Beirdo: iggy: hehe, you measuring again?
[17:22:00] Beirdo: how Porky's of you
[17:23:00] iggy: oh, no, not me, just saying... in general
[17:23:00] Beirdo: heh. OK
[17:23:00] iggy: I really need to figure out what's making mythtv lock up most of my computer when I exit from watching a show
[17:23:00] Ashlar: that's centimeters, turn it around for inches
[17:24:00] Cardoe: 17 out of 34 packages
[17:24:00] Cardoe: GO COMPUTER!!! GO
[17:24:00] Beirdo: damn, Ashlar... that's why it grew so much overnight?
[17:24:00] Cardoe: Dual Xeon 500
[17:24:00] Cardoe: it was 124 packages
[17:25:00] sphing: iggy: i'm not sure
[17:25:00] sphing: i cant see it
[17:25:00] Cardoe: I hadn't logged on the sucker for 9 months
[17:25:00] Ashlar: heh
[17:25:00] iggy: sphing: can't see it? well, find a way, we can't help much with hardly any info
[17:25:00] Cardoe: score.. emerge has it perl packages!
[17:26:00] sphing: iggy: can i make the resolution bigger when the kernel boots
[17:26:00] iggy: you can play with the vga setting
[17:26:00] iggy: vga=740 or something like that
[17:26:00] jason_: anyone know of a working init.d file for debian/ubuntu?
[17:27:00] iggy: or use vga=ask, and set it to the highest option it gives you
[17:27:00] Cardoe: jason_: the .deb doesn't include one?
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[17:27:00] jasoncohen: Cardoe, i installed from source
[17:28:00] jasoncohen: i tried using the deb's init.d file and it's not doing anything
[17:28:00] Beirdo: did you enable it?
[17:28:00] Beirdo: vi /etc/default/mythtv-backend
[17:29:00] jason_: ok
[17:29:00] Beirdo: and then after that... update-rc.d
[17:29:00] Beirdo: you really need to learn basic debian-fu :)
[17:29:00] sphing: iggy: yes it detects the hda
[17:29:00] sphing: and the cdrom
[17:29:00] iggy: Cardoe: what happened to my option of turning of that bullshit audio group warning?
[17:30:00] iggy: sphing: does it show the partition table?
[17:30:00] Beirdo: iggy: USE="-bullshit" ? :)
[17:30:00] Cardoe: iggy: did I not apply a fix to get rid of that?
[17:30:00] iggy: no, it's bitching at me about it
[17:30:00] iggy: and I'm not at all pleased about it
[17:30:00] iggy: I _demand_ satisfaction
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[17:31:00] Cardoe: what is it again?
[17:31:00] sphing: hda: <info>\n hda: hda1[EZD]
[17:31:00] Cardoe: it wants your user to be in the audio & video groups?
[17:31:00] Cardoe: iggy: you running myth as root?
[17:31:00] sphing: and thats it, no hda3
[17:31:00] iggy: Cardoe: yes and yes
[17:32:00] iggy: sphing: that's weird, and probably the root of your problems
[17:32:00] Cardoe: Oh I had patched it to if you were in root
[17:32:00] Cardoe: don't bitch
[17:32:00] iggy: sphing: I just don't know why it's doing it
[17:32:00] Cardoe: I guess I didn't apply the patches
[17:32:00] iggy: Cardoe: oh, and what's this authentication nonsense
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[17:34:00] sphing: iggy: thanks for your help
[17:37:00] jason_: Beirdo, thanks for the help. all i had to do was chance the binary directory to /usr/local/bin and create the log directory. apparently the binary uses /usr/bin
[17:37:00] jason_: *the deb package
[17:37:00] Beirdo: ahhh
[17:37:00] Beirdo: that would do it for sure
[17:37:00] jason_: i actually didn't need to run update-rc.d. rcconf showed mythtv-backend before i ran that script
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[17:41:00] OldVolk: anyone know the difference between the PVR-150 and the PVR-250 ?
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[17:47:00] jams: the 150 is the newer version of the 250
[17:47:00] jams: however the 250 is better supported by ivtv
[17:48:00] iggy: the 150 is cheaper and less complex
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[17:49:00] EricAnderson: Hey, is there a way to take a screen capture of a currently playing movie?
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: You have to run Myth without XV, and then you can
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[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: NO_XV=1 mythfrontend
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: that forcesit to use X11 to display everything
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: and you can then grab the screen including the playing video
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[17:51:00] EricAnderson: hmm
[17:52:00] EricAnderson: It'll be easier to get screencaps of Family Guy online... but the porn will have to go that route
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[17:52:00] EricAnderson: grr
[17:52:00] GreyFoxx: how is that hard ?:)
[17:52:00] EricAnderson: Takes time :)
[17:53:00] EricAnderson: I guess I could use Windows to get the images too
[17:53:00] GreyFoxx: less than searching out the pictures, but it's your time :)
[17:53:00] EricAnderson: heh
[17:53:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: There should be a button I can push... that will take a screenshot of the palying movie and set its 'poster' to the pic
[17:54:00] GreyFoxx: Are you referring to MythVideo or MythTV ?
[17:54:00] EricAnderson: Video
[17:54:00] GreyFoxx: I prefer the current method of using the posts off imdb :)
[17:54:00] GreyFoxx: posters
[17:55:00] GreyFoxx: But if it's something like a TV show or other recording I could see how that would be useful
[17:55:00] EricAnderson: THat doesnt work for TV I've downloaded
[17:55:00] EricAnderson: Nor porn!
[17:56:00] EricAnderson: I wonder who obe1 was... his ip is from my Univ
[17:56:00] GreyFoxx: What ever. Wouldn't be that hard to add something like that
[17:56:00] EricAnderson: No? That'd be a sweet feature
[17:57:00] EricAnderson: Also, can I not sort my videos by category without using the filter?
[17:57:00] GreyFoxx: Well taking a snap of a playing movie would not be easy
[17:57:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: right...
[17:57:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: Why is there not live preview... that woudl work as well
[17:57:00] GreyFoxx: but taking a pic from a fixed time into the movie wouldn't be hard
[17:57:00] GreyFoxx: Cause noone has bothered to put it in
[17:57:00] EricAnderson: Ah
[17:57:00] EricAnderson: My C++ is kind of weak
[17:57:00] EricAnderson: If it were C, I'd start hacking
[17:57:00] GreyFoxx: and up til now noone has requested it
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: other than setting up classes there is very little difference
[17:58:00] jams: I think ctrl +s in xine will take the screenshot
[17:58:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: In terms of basic semantics... I completely agree... otherwise, I would say there are some huge differences
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: There is already a preview playback supported in Myth, so you could likely recycle that clode
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: code
[17:59:00] EricAnderson: right
[18:00:00] EricAnderson: Right now, Im thinking there needs to be access to editing video meta data right in the browser
[18:00:00] jasoncohen: does kernel 2.6.10 support the new LG TAPE (47) tuner type?
[18:00:00] EricAnderson: Plus I can hack that together quicker
[18:01:00] EricAnderson: Damn it! Whos fucking with portage... my damn machine wants to 'upgrade' me from 0.18.1 to 0.18
[18:01:00] GreyFoxx: Probably Cardoe heh
[18:02:00] EricAnderson: Whats the idea behind a backwards 'upgrade' ?
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: No idea
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: sounds silly :)
[18:03:00] GreyFoxx: likely unintentional
[18:03:00] EricAnderson: I am seriously confused why gentoo would want to upgrade to a lower package anyways
[18:04:00] GreyFoxx: Cardoe maintains the ports for it, ask him if he's around
[18:04:00] GreyFoxx: it's likely not on purpose
[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: package silliness :)
[18:06:00] EricAnderson: heh :)
[18:06:00] EricAnderson: Man its too tricky to do mass editing on the TV
[18:06:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: TvTomb for the 'videos' is on my list too...
[18:06:00] GreyFoxx: I think the most common problems I see in here is Lirc, followed by problems/complaints related to packages
[18:07:00] EricAnderson: Unless... is there a way to move a downloaded movie into the 'recorded programs' list?
[18:07:00] GreyFoxx: I've done it before
[18:07:00] EricAnderson: Then I could just take the family guy rips and put them over there, where they more likely belong
[18:08:00] GreyFoxx: I did it manually by adding the entries to the database
[18:08:00] EricAnderson: And I could use the TV features to hide the porn from my gf
[18:08:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: I figured that'd be the task
[18:08:00] GreyFoxx: Why hide it?
[18:08:00] EricAnderson: She gets weird
[18:08:00] GreyFoxx: pfft
[18:08:00] EricAnderson: "So you think about other girls when you..."
[18:08:00] GreyFoxx: My GF is usually the one who wants to go rent it :)
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: that just female insecurity :)
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: imho
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[18:09:00] EricAnderson: Hmm, more package oddness... with the exception of the mythtv and mythnews package... all the other 'upgrades' don't require a new download
[18:09:00] EricAnderson: agreed
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: but yeah, you could do it via sql
[18:10:00] EricAnderson: I think next on my list is to rename everything... so sick of "TNTP" ... "USAP" ... etc
[18:10:00] laga: EricAnderson: just marry a porn star ;)
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[18:11:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: lirc is a serious pain to setup, now that you mentioned it... I have a very slick setup now on my remote... only took 3 hours
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[18:12:00] jason_: whenever i change the channel on my bttv card, the backend dies and i see these errors: http://pastebin.com/287518
[18:12:00] GreyFoxx: After watching the LIRC complaints for 2 months before I setup my box way back when, I skipped it altogether. First with a Learning IR remote that I taught how to repeat my IR keyboard strokes, and then with a RF Usb remote that I hacked up a driver to support
[18:13:00] EricAnderson: Thing is, its not __THAT__ hard... its just not __THAT__ simple
[18:13:00] EricAnderson: just requires patience
[18:13:00] laga: heh.
[18:13:00] Shibz: My system is set up using TV out, but it doesn't fill the entire tv screen, is there any way to fix it so it does?
[18:14:00] EricAnderson: Shibz: There is an X command...
[18:14:00] EricAnderson: Shibz: Whats your video card?
[18:14:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: It's more than just dsetup, lots of people have issues with stability and other issues with it
[18:14:00] Shibz: nvidia geforce2 mx-400
[18:14:00] jason_: i'm also getting no sound and i see this message "#
[18:14:00] jason_: 2005-05–21 13:09:34.617 No useable audio output driver found.
[18:14:00] jason_: #
[18:14:00] jason_: 2005-05–21 13:09:34.617 Don't disable OSS support unless you're not running on Linux."
[18:14:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: Yeah, I see some slight stability issues...
[18:15:00] jason_: doesn't the default setup compile with OSS support?
[18:15:00] EricAnderson: Ive been getting some serious stability issues with channel skip
[18:15:00] EricAnderson: jason_: Depends on your distro
[18:15:00] jason_: i compiled from source
[18:15:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: That's why I Avoid it all otogether
[18:16:00] jason_: i just did a regular ./configure which shows OSS Support yes
[18:16:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: Oh! I think I get it... Cardoe did 18.1 instead of 18-r2 ... noticed his mistake later, but I had already installed... cause my /usr/share/doc/mythtv-*/ folder is mythtv-0.18-r2, not 0.18.1 ... which you would expect with a similar package name
[18:17:00] Shibz:
[18:17:00] EricAnderson: jason_: I dont use OSS cause its old and smelly... but I would say make sure the user who is running this junk is in the audio group...
[18:17:00] EricAnderson: Shibz: Im not sure with that old of a card
[18:17:00] jason_: EricAnderson, i'm on ubuntu. i think it uses esd
[18:17:00] Shibz: =(
[18:18:00] EricAnderson: Shibz: hold on
[18:18:00] EricAnderson: Shibz: I have a nVidia 5500... the command for me is...
[18:18:00] EricAnderson: Inside of my screen section of my x config, Option "TVOverScan" "0.4"
[18:19:00] GreyFoxx: wow that low? I have mine up at like 0.9 heh
[18:19:00] Shibz: aaw i already tried that and it didn
[18:19:00] Shibz: didn't work*
[18:19:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: Damn!
[18:20:00] EricAnderson: hmm... can't find mkiconmap.pl ! :(
[18:20:00] Shibz: but, when my computer is booting up, everything takes up the whole screen, just when I go into X, it gets 3 inches of black on each side
[18:21:00] Shibz: if i change my resolution would it fix it?
[18:21:00] GreyFoxx: shib try this : DISPLAY=0:0 nvidia-settings --assign="TVOverScan=250"
[18:22:00] GreyFoxx: See if it makes a difference
[18:22:00] Shibz: put it in the x config?
[18:22:00] GreyFoxx: no, ssh into the box as the same user that is running X
[18:22:00] GreyFoxx: and run it
[18:22:00] GreyFoxx: see if it makes a difference
[18:22:00] Shibz: k
[18:23:00] Shibz: (nvidia-settings:5011): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[18:23:00] GreyFoxx: Don't forget the DISPLAY=:0
[18:23:00] Shibz: I copy/pasted
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[18:24:00] laga: EricAnderson: its in the contrib/ dir
[18:24:00] Shibz: could my ssh client matter, this computer is winblows so I am using PuTTY
[18:24:00] GreyFoxx: Shibz: Are you sure you are logged in as the same client as the user that is running X ?
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[18:24:00] GreyFoxx: no, the client shouldn't really matter
[18:25:00] Shibz: I am logged in as the user mythtv
[18:25:00] GreyFoxx: type this
[18:25:00] GreyFoxx: echo $DISPLAY
[18:25:00] GreyFoxx: what does it report ?
[18:26:00] Shibz: it just makes a blank line
[18:26:00] GreyFoxx: ok then try this
[18:26:00] GreyFoxx: export DISPLAY=:0
[18:26:00] GreyFoxx: and then nvidia-settings --assign="TVOverScan=250"
[18:27:00] Shibz: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[18:27:00] Shibz: Xlib: No protocol specified
[18:27:00] Shibz: (nvidia-settings:5027): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[18:27:00] GreyFoxx: Uhh X is running right ?
[18:27:00] Shibz: yes
[18:27:00] GreyFoxx: try
[18:27:00] GreyFoxx: xhost +127.0.0.1
[18:27:00] GreyFoxx: and then run it again
[18:27:00] Shibz: the xhost thing gave this
[18:28:00] Shibz: xhost: unable to open display ":0"
[18:28:00] Shibz: that and the two Xlib: lines above
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[18:28:00] GreyFoxx: I assume you are running it as the default :0
[18:28:00] Shibz: yes
[18:28:00] GreyFoxx: you are using the bash shell?
[18:28:00] Shibz: I think
[18:29:00] GreyFoxx: netstat -antu | grep :6000
[18:29:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: How do I rename channels?
[18:29:00] Shibz: that didn't output anything
[18:29:00] EricAnderson: Shibz: What user started X?
[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: Shibz: Ok, your X isn't listening on an port
[18:30:00] Shibz: it started on booting
[18:30:00] EricAnderson: Shibz: kdm started.. or x did?
[18:30:00] Shibz: knoppmyth uses gdm
[18:30:00] Shibz: so gdm started it i guess
[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: EricAnderson: If you run the myth setup app you can edit channels
[18:30:00] EricAnderson: GreyFoxx: K... they wont get reset later?
[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: No idea since I've never used it :)
[18:30:00] EricAnderson: heh
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[18:34:00] Shibz: any idea whats wrong with my x?
[18:34:00] GreyFoxx: shib, can you run xterm under already running X ?
[18:34:00] Shibz: yes
[18:34:00] GreyFoxx: try running hte nvidia-settings command under that
[18:35:00] Shibz: ok
[18:36:00] EricAnderson: Hmm
[18:36:00] EricAnderson: mkiconmap is not working
[18:37:00] GreyFoxx: vi /etc/named.conf
[18:37:00] GreyFoxx: oops
[18:37:00] GreyFoxx: wrong xterm heh
[18:39:00] Shibz: ok i did that
[18:39:00] Shibz: i got a different message
[18:39:00] GreyFoxx: what did it say ?
[18:39:00] Shibz: first i got something about error quering valid values for attribute TVOverScan
[18:40:00] Shibz: then i tried it again with value of 0.5 instead of 250 and got something about trailing garbage
[18:40:00] Shibz: its hard to read it on the tv screen
[18:40:00] GreyFoxx: Maybe the nvidia driver doesn't support overscan for your card ?
[18:41:00] Shibz: probably doesn't
[18:41:00] Shibz: is there any resolution that would fit the screen better?
[18:41:00] GreyFoxx: your problem is overscan, not the resoltion
[18:42:00] GeckoFiend: TVOverScan is a value between 0 and 1 isn't it?
[18:42:00] Shibz: but at the resolution it uses when the system boots up and its starting all the services, it fills the screen fine
[18:42:00] GreyFoxx: the variable in the X config file is between 0 and 1
[18:42:00] GreyFoxx: but the commandline util is 0 and 250
[18:42:00] GreyFoxx: finer increments
[18:43:00] GeckoFiend: ahhh
[18:43:00] GreyFoxx: Shibz: which means that the nvidia driver is not setting the overscan properly, whereas it is fine at bootup
[18:43:00] GeckoFiend: I alwasy just used Option "TVOverScan" ".7"
[18:43:00] GreyFoxx: I use 0.979
[18:44:00] Shibz: Overscan is currently only available on GeForce4 or newer GPUs
[18:44:00] Shibz: with either NVIDIA or Conexant TV encoders.
[18:44:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[18:44:00] Shibz: thats from nvidia docs
[18:44:00] Shibz: i have geforce 2
[18:44:00] Shibz: but its fine on startup...
[18:45:00] Shibz: im gonna try disabling the nvidia drivers
[18:46:00] laga: Shibz: nvtv.sf.net iirc
[18:46:00] GreyFoxx: nvtv might be the trick for him, yeah
[18:47:00] GreyFoxx: I never think of it since it doesn't support the more modern cards
[18:47:00] laga: it didnt work well for me, too
[18:48:00] laga: older geforce cards suck ;)
[18:48:00] Shibz: myne is only a 3 years old, came on my parents new "high end" dell system
[18:48:00] laga: heh
[18:49:00] laga: that's what you get for buying dell
[18:49:00] GreyFoxx: 3 years is a long time in the videocard business
[18:49:00] Shibz: well, even back then it sucked
[18:49:00] Shibz: the MX cards are for microshaft word
[18:50:00] Shibz: [1:47pm] * Connecting to nvtv.sf.net (6667)
[18:50:00] Shibz:
[18:50:00] Shibz: [1:48pm] * Unable to connect to server (Connection timed out)
[18:50:00] GreyFoxx: It's not an IRC server
[18:50:00] GreyFoxx: It's a website :)
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[18:51:00] Shibz: oh, that iirc threw me off, i thought it was typo
[18:51:00] Shibz: The requested URL / was not found on this server.
[18:51:00] GreyFoxx: Try this
[18:51:00] GreyFoxx: http://sourceforge.net/projects/nv-tv-out
[18:51:00] poonj_: hey guys...
[18:52:00] poonj_: is it possible to choose between multiple capture cards in myth as to which one to use as the primary card to view tv with?
[18:52:00] Shibz: thats probably gonna be a pain for me to set up...
[18:53:00] Cardoe: hrm
[18:53:00] Cardoe: mtd comes with MythDVD
[18:53:00] Cardoe: not MythTV
[18:53:00] Cardoe: seperate initscript
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[18:54:00] ** EricAnderson thinks that having drivers for x is stupid... **
[18:54:00] EricAnderson: Should just have drivers for the kernel
[18:54:00] EricAnderson: that accurately advertised their abilities
[18:54:00] EricAnderson: and then just let X work
[18:55:00] laga: i dont like kernel mode drivers
[18:55:00] Shibz: are you sure nvtv is what I want? it says "This is a tool to enable TV-Out on Linux for NVidia cards", but my tvout is already enabled
[18:55:00] laga: too much work
[18:55:00] laga: Shibz: you can adjust the overscan
[18:55:00] Shibz: oh
[18:55:00] EricAnderson: laga: Well... you shouldnt have to compile them in...
[18:56:00] EricAnderson: THat would make linux alot more adoptable if it were more plug and chug
[18:56:00] Shibz: which one would I want? libnvtvsimple-src ot nvtv-bin, there isn't any documentation for them on that site
[18:58:00] GreyFoxx: the nvtv-bin for a precompiled version or nvtv-src if you want to compile your own
[19:02:00] Shibz: hmmm, i was about to install it, but i guess knoppmyth comes with it installed
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[19:02:00] GreyFoxx: cool
[19:02:00] Cardoe: GreyFoxx: don't you have a pcHDTV card?
[19:02:00] GreyFoxx: nope
[19:02:00] Cardoe: grr
[19:02:00] Cardoe: I thought you did
[19:02:00] Cardoe: pvr250?
[19:02:00] ** GeckoFiend does **
[19:03:00] Cardoe: carpaski: reset all your configs
[19:03:00] Cardoe: go back through mythsetup
[19:03:00] GreyFoxx: Cardoe: a few 250's and a dvb-s card, plus a few bttv cards that I don't use with myth laying around
[19:03:00] Cardoe: GeckoFiend: carpaski is trying to get it to go
[19:03:00] carpaski: Are you using the in-kernel dvb or the -2.0 drivers?
[19:03:00] GeckoFiend: heh not much to it.. compile the drivers from their site and go.
[19:03:00] carpaski: heh... yeah 2.0.
[19:04:00] carpaski: What kernel in particular?
[19:04:00] GeckoFiend: there's still a few issues around dvb support in Myth afaik
[19:05:00] GeckoFiend: vanilla 2.6.9 kernel
[19:05:00] riksta: either
[19:05:00] carpaski: I suppose I'll just have to tinker.
[19:05:00] carpaski: What config are you using for myth?
[19:05:00] carpaski: The pchdtv one or v4l... ?
[19:06:00] GeckoFiend: I have no clue what you're talking about
[19:07:00] carpaski: When you set up in myth... What is the card type?
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[19:08:00] carpaski: Capture Cards -> New -> "Standard V4L" or "pcHDTV capture" ...
[19:09:00] riksta: the latter
[19:09:00] GeckoFiend: you're kidding right?>
[19:09:00] ** Cardoe pokes carpaski in the eye. **
[19:09:00] GeckoFiend: if you have a pcHDTV card of course you're going to pick pcHDTV card if you're not using the dvb drivers
[19:10:00] carpaski: Ok... Do you do any NTSC capture?
[19:10:00] GeckoFiend: set it to pcHDTV and /dev/dtv0 and it should be fine
[19:10:00] GeckoFiend: carpaski not off of that card
[19:10:00] carpaski: Ok.
[19:10:00] Shibz: I am still getting stuff like this, (nvtv:5656): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot open display: (null)
[19:10:00] GeckoFiend: that's just asking for trouble since Myth sees the HDTV and SDTV parts as sperate cards...
[19:11:00] carpaski: Open on demand
[19:11:00] carpaski: The documentation for pcHDTV really sucks.
[19:12:00] riksta: carpaski: that is so the backend doesn't permanently keep the device in use
[19:12:00] carpaski: The forums is the only real information source, and forums are rather good at semi-accurate.
[19:12:00] Cardoe: Shibz: DISPLAY=:0.0 nvtv
[19:12:00] carpaski: riksta: Which in the case of two devices that are one card should make ATSC NTSC possible, no? Assuming you never tried to use them both at the same time.
[19:13:00] riksta: carpaski: I cannot be certain about that, as I am from the UK and know nothing about ATSC
[19:13:00] riksta: carpaski: in theory that sounds right...
[19:14:00] riksta: carpaski: you could ask the dvb nerds in #dvb
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[19:20:00] gecko: carpaski that's the whole problem if myth sees two tuner cards it'll try and use them both at the same time to resolve conflicts
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[19:21:00] riksta: i thought you could stop that
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[19:26:00] darkfire: I have a PVR-350 that I am using the ivtvdev framebuffer driver to play the mythtv UI on my TV, and then I use the tv-out on the PVR to play the livetv onto the screen. This works, but, whenever I change the focus of an application on my monitor the MythTV UI (which is just a black box) goes in front of the Live-TV. How could I stop this from happening?
[19:27:00] darkfire: i can get it to go away by doing something with mythtv (ie, toggling CC on and off does the trick)
[19:28:00] Shibz: I can't get nvtv to change my overscan
[19:28:00] Shibz: I change the value and click apply, but nothing happens
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[19:43:00] RoCkY: does mythfilldatabase parse xml file xmltv grabbers prepare?
[19:44:00] xris: RoCkY: in english, please?
[19:44:00] RoCkY: xmltv package does not include grabber for my country but i found xmltv formated xml source and im not sure how could myth 'diagest' that:)
[19:44:00] stoffel_: RoCkY: yes
[19:44:00] riksta: xris: i was thinking the same :)
[19:45:00] xris: RoCkY: I think that mythfilldatabase has a --file option or something like that. did you try --help?
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[19:46:00] RoCkY: well to be honest no cause ive spent my searching on xmltv , but one more thing is that i dont have my myth box around and im trying to get as much knowledge so when friend returns the box i can get the programe :)
[19:47:00] xris: RoCkY: it's much easier to debug things when you actually have the box present. But I do believe it's possible.
[19:47:00] RoCkY: can anyone send me a copy of mythfilldatabase from 0.18 ? email perhaps?
[19:47:00] xris: RoCkY: just compile it.
[19:48:00] RoCkY: yeah i know , but there is second problem... i use binaries premade for debian , cause compilation fails at certain point with ton of errors about unknown function in qt3 lib...
[19:49:00] xris: RoCkY: in that case, why not just download the debs?
[19:49:00] RoCkY: i setup QT3DIR env variable and checked all development packages are in place and im clules regarding that err in compiling :( but ill get the binary packages
[19:49:00] Shibz: w00t i got nvtv to work
[19:50:00] Shibz: thanks laga
[19:51:00] RoCkY: xris : thing is that i dont have the box around im workin on my laptop and i was thinking if someone could send the binary :) just to poke around so that i dont have to install the whole package and several more packages just to meet the dependancies
[19:51:00] Shibz: heh the hardest part of doing that was getting the nvtv window to open using SSH in windows
[19:51:00] Shibz: this x-win32 program is nice for people with computers still stuck on winblows
[19:51:00] xris: RoCkY: you can't just grab the package and the install it with a --nodeps type option? (I don't use debian, but rpm can do that easily enough)
[19:53:00] RoCkY: xris : i'm not sure but i think that dpkg does not have such option ...
[19:53:00] riksta: of course it will
[19:53:00] RoCkY: xris : i checked:) there is ignore-depends
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[20:07:00] Shibz: i have a new problem now
[20:07:00] Shibz: when I watch tv or any recordings, I have this new bar on the left side
[20:08:00] Shibz: and the entire screen is weird looking
[20:08:00] Shibz: is there any way I can take a screenshot?
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[20:13:00] Drizzt321: when trying to replay TV, I'm getting: Rate doesn't match (requested 0Hz, got 4000Hz), what am I doing wrong?
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[20:31:00] Bachus9000: Although everything appears to work correctly (mysql, mythbackend, and mythfrotend all work without error), I can't schedule recordings. Everything in the program guide works correctly until I try to save the recording settings. The frontend exits that screen, taking me back to the show listings where it kindly lists that show as not being set to be recorded.
[20:32:00] RoCkY: xris : tnx for pointing out the fact that mythfilldatabase has the file option, it helped allot... i was searching in a wrong direction all the time:(
[20:32:00] xris: well, hopefully it'll work out
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[20:36:00] Mrgoose: anyone here?
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[20:41:00] Bachus9000: Yeah, but I doubt I can help you. :/
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[20:44:00] poonj: hey guys...
[20:45:00] poonj: I have two capture cards in my myth setup...how can I choose which card I want to use to watch live tv?
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[20:57:00] Shibz: is it normal for me to have a blue line on 2 edges of my tv-out when in mythtv?
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[21:04:00] mirak: hi
[21:04:00] mirak: is there a way to do a direct recording ?
[21:04:00] mirak: an instant recording
[21:04:00] mirak: without doing a programm
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: start kive tv and hit record
[21:05:00] mirak: hem what key is it ?
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: or manually schedule one
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: don't remember offhand
[21:05:00] mirak: in fact I would accomodate just using live TV
[21:05:00] mirak: and pausing it
[21:06:00] mirak: but since it's in root window
[21:06:00] mirak: I can't watch a divx fullscreen at the same time
[21:06:00] mirak: so I need to shut of the front end
[21:08:00] Shibz: is it normal for me to have a blue line on 2 edges of my tv-out when in mythtv?
[21:08:00] iggy: Shibz: yes
[21:08:00] GreyFoxx: I think hitting record during livetv will tell the system to record until the end of the current show, so you don't need to be watching the show while it records. But there is also manual recording which can start/end anytime you tell it to
[21:08:00] Shibz: how do I get rid of it? its kinda annoying
[21:09:00] GreyFoxx: Increase overscan sp that you wont see it :)
[21:09:00] iggy: it's normal, you can't get rid of it
[21:09:00] GreyFoxx: Or use xvattr to change the colour to black so you wont see it
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[21:12:00] Shibz: I couldn't get that nvtv program to work very good
[21:12:00] Shibz: It wouldn't let me put in my own values
[21:12:00] Shibz: I had to pick from a list
[21:13:00] Shibz: I found one that worked perfectly, but when I watched any live tv or recorded videos, it got all messed up
[21:13:00] poonj: I have two capture cards in my myth setup...how can I choose which card I want to use to watch live tv?
[21:13:00] Shibz: so now I am stuck with one that is too tall and too narrow
[21:14:00] GreyFoxx: poonj: There is no built in way to do that
[21:14:00] GreyFoxx: Myth will use the first available one
[21:14:00] poonj: so video0?
[21:14:00] GreyFoxx: First available not in use one
[21:14:00] GreyFoxx: based partly on the order they were added in mythsetup
[21:15:00] carpaski: GeckoFiend: You load the cx88_atsc module, right?
[21:15:00] poonj: okay
[21:15:00] GreyFoxx: I've seen people mention using the order they were added plus changing some priorities in the database, but never seen any real description on exactly how
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[21:20:00] mirak: GreyFoxx: I don't manage to do what I need
[21:21:00] mirak: about instant recording
[21:22:00] mirak: maybe it must be set up in recording profiles
[21:22:00] mirak: I will dig that
[21:25:00] Drizzt321: when trying to replay recorded TV or watch live tv, I'm getting: Rate doesn't match (requested 0Hz, got 4000Hz), what am I doing wrong?
[21:30:00] GreyFoxx: that's coming from myth ?
[21:30:00] Drizzt321: GreyFoxx: yup, its part of the GUI display, with continue without audio, or go back to menu as options
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[21:31:00] GreyFoxx: never heard of that one :)
[21:31:00] Drizzt321: yea, go figure
[21:31:00] Shibz: hmmm, in nvtv when i change the horiz. overscan higher it makes the picture smaller, is that right?
[21:31:00] Drizzt321: I had it working before I started messing with ivtv-fb to get the output on my pvr350 working
[21:32:00] Drizzt321: certaintly has speeded up the mythtv gui, but now my sound from mythtv seems screwed up :(
[21:32:00] mirak: I don't compress the audio
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[21:33:00] Drizzt321: mirak: neither do I, for basic TV recording, but even in live TV its not working
[21:33:00] mirak: ah ok
[21:33:00] Drizzt321: yup
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[21:37:00] GreyFoxx: Drizzt321: The recent progress with adding xv support to the xdriver for direct yuv render on the 350 is quite promising.
[21:38:00] Drizzt321: GreyFoxx: you mean the ivtvdev X drivers? I'm using those, works great once I figured that part out. now I just need to figure out the sound issue...gah
[21:38:00] GreyFoxx: Drizzt321: Using the lastest xv enabled stuff?
[21:38:00] GreyFoxx: the stuff from the last week or two ?
[21:38:00] Drizzt321: GreyFoxx: well, I'm using the debian packages, which I believe are .18.1
[21:40:00] Drizzt321: GreyFoxx: uck, no, I'm still using 0.17
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[21:41:00] GreyFoxx: it's not myth
[21:41:00] Drizzt321: GreyFoxx: ?
[21:41:00] GreyFoxx: I'm referring to stuff in the ivtv drivers
[21:41:00] Drizzt321: oh, I'm using the 0.3.4y drivers, latest beta
[21:42:00] GreyFoxx: that's what I meant :)
[21:42:00] Drizzt321: gotcha now
[21:42:00] GreyFoxx: the xv addition should make it much more desirable for people
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[21:56:00] Drizzt321: GreyFoxx: hrm...interesting, when I set the sound to /dev/dsp, I get the sound out of the stereo output on the pvr350, not out my onboard sound...
[21:57:00] GreyFoxx: I thought all audio and video were sent out through the 350 when you told myth to use it for decoding
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[21:58:00] Drizzt321: oh really? I didn't realize that
[21:58:00] Drizzt321: what about if I use the AC3 passthru for dvd's or other video files with mythvideo?
[21:59:00] GreyFoxx: no idea
[21:59:00] GreyFoxx: but when using the 350 to decode I'm pretty sure it is used for the audio and the video, no clue when it comes to what other apps do
[21:59:00] mirak: hauppage doesn't sell anymore pvr250
[22:00:00] Drizzt321: thats good to know, now I'm less confused
[22:00:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, 150's and 500's are the new hotness
[22:00:00] mirak: they sell pvr150 but unfortunately it's not yet well supported on linux
[22:00:00] mirak: 500 ?
[22:00:00] GreyFoxx: lots of people are reporting it working, but not as solid as the 250's
[22:00:00] mirak: I don't have seen it on their website
[22:00:00] Drizzt321: I think the 500 is 4 tv tuners in one
[22:00:00] mirak: ok
[22:00:00] GreyFoxx: the 500 is asingle pci card with 2 tuners on it
[22:00:00] Drizzt321: oh, 2, my bad
[22:00:00] mirak: I am mostly interested in video in compression rather than the tuner
[22:01:00] mirak: I have heard the tuner is not supported as fine as the capture
[22:01:00] GreyFoxx: You can record from the svideo input as well
[22:01:00] mirak: yes, but I wonder if I should buy one now
[22:01:00] mirak: or wait that it's totally supported
[22:01:00] GreyFoxx: If it's a good price
[22:01:00] GreyFoxx: I'd buy it
[22:01:00] mirak: 80 euro
[22:01:00] GreyFoxx: seems a little high for a 150 to me
[22:02:00] mirak: considering it's not DVB-T
[22:02:00] GreyFoxx: but not by much
[22:02:00] mirak: do you know that DVB-C are forbidden in france ?
[22:02:00] mirak: we can't buy them here
[22:02:00] GreyFoxx: really? I didn;t know that
[22:02:00] mirak: we must buy them in germany
[22:02:00] Drizzt321: whats the diff between DVB-T and DVB-C?
[22:02:00] mirak: T = EARTH
[22:02:00] mirak: I mean terrrestrian
[22:03:00] Drizzt321: ahh
[22:03:00] mirak: C is cable
[22:03:00] Drizzt321: broadcast vs cable
[22:03:00] mirak: I would like a card that do all of them
[22:03:00] mirak: including sattelite
[22:03:00] Drizzt321: lol
[22:03:00] Drizzt321: all for dirt cheap, right?
[22:03:00] mirak: I mean why can't they put all the hardware in one card ?
[22:03:00] mirak: one tuner couldn't do that ?
[22:04:00] Drizzt321: they don't have any cards that will take in digital cable/HD cable yet, do they?
[22:04:00] mirak: HD cable ?
[22:04:00] mirak: what is it ?
[22:04:00] Drizzt321: high def
[22:04:00] mirak: demodulators do
[22:05:00] Drizzt321: ?
[22:05:00] mirak: maybe it's a question about firmware I don't know
[22:05:00] mirak: think on my demodulator there is channel in HDTV
[22:05:00] mirak: I am not sure
[22:05:00] Drizzt321: ah
[22:05:00] Drizzt321: generally here in the US it requires you to use the cable box they provide you
[22:06:00] Drizzt321: but if I want to get it into my computer as HD or digital, that kind of defeats the point since the box would end up output it to standard cable...
[22:07:00] Shibz: argh my mythtv got extremly messed up now
[22:07:00] Drizzt321: Shibz: join the crowd
[22:07:00] Shibz: i didn't do anything to it and now it's really laggy, like 1 frame every 30 seconds
[22:07:00] Drizzt321: ouch
[22:08:00] mirak: restart the backend ?
[22:08:00] Drizzt321: you sure its not currently transcoding or anything?
[22:08:00] mirak: maybe your file system have problems
[22:08:00] Shibz: i rebooted the computer
[22:08:00] Beirdo: argh dammit
[22:08:00] mirak: what is your file system ?
[22:08:00] Beirdo: stupid frontend crapped again
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[22:09:00] Shibz: i have no idea what fs it is, its whatever knoppmyth made
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[22:09:00] Shibz: it was fine earlier
[22:10:00] Shibz: the only thing I changed was my overscan stuff
[22:10:00] Shibz: but that wouldn't cause lag
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[22:30:00] Shibz: well, i fixed most of the lag, but my audio is still messed up
[22:30:00] Shibz: the sound echos really bad now
[22:32:00] Shibz: would increasing the size of my sound buffer help?
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[22:35:00] twitchmax: hello everyone
[22:35:00] twitchmax: quick question, if i have a backend with 2 tuners in it will it need 2 sound cards?
[22:36:00] iggy: depends
[22:36:00] twitchmax: or is there a way to cap thru multiple inputs on one?
[22:36:00] iggy: 2 bttv cards?
[22:36:00] twitchmax: yes
[22:36:00] kormoc: depends on the bttv card too
[22:36:00] kormoc: some bttv cards have 'soundcards' built in so you can pull the sound right off of the card
[22:37:00] iggy: if btaudio doesn't work, you might just need 2 sound cards
[22:37:00] kormoc: yeah
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[22:38:00] Machtyn: hola, todos los gentes
[22:38:00] twitchmax: hola
[22:38:00] twitchmax: buenos noches
[22:39:00] Machtyn: anyway, got a quick question... I'm partitioning my drive for a mythtv box... where does mythtv like to save it's large video files? (ie how do I want to mount my largest partition?
[22:39:00] Beirdo: sonvabitch
[22:39:00] Beirdo: Gallery Remote just barfed on me
[22:39:00] Beirdo: Machtyn: whereever you tell it to
[22:40:00] Machtyn: ok, good. how much space is needed for the mysql stuff?
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[22:40:00] Beirdo: depends
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[22:41:00] Shibz: i can't figure out how to fix this stupid echo
[22:42:00] Machtyn: depends on the amount of videos I plan on recording? I'm reserving 140GB for the videos
[22:42:00] Beirdo: my database usually is around 80MB or so
[22:42:00] egeekial: when i launch mythfrontend, i don't even get the menu, it just stops with the gray background and nothing else
[22:43:00] Shibz: i cant google it because i only get responces about echo (the command), not echo (the sound)
[22:43:00] twitchmax: iggy/kermoc: thanx
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[22:43:00] Beirdo: Shibz: RTFM
[22:43:00] Machtyn: thx, beirdo
[22:43:00] Beirdo: mythtv docs
[22:43:00] Beirdo: no prob Machtyn
[22:44:00] egeekial: any ideas why?
[22:44:00] iggy: only 140 G for video? I've almost got 400G full
[22:45:00] Shibz: what part of the FM should I look at, it is so huge
[22:45:00] Shibz: i have read most of it
[22:45:00] Beirdo: how about the parts you haven't read then
[22:45:00] iggy: Shibz: what card again?
[22:45:00] Shibz: PVR-500
[22:46:00] iggy: nvm... you're probably just screwed and have to live with pre-alpha drivers for now
[22:47:00] Shibz: so, what part of the manual would that be in tho?
[22:49:00] Drizzt321: using the pvr350's output while using watch TV, the audio volume at max is rather low through the pvr350s audio out. is there a particular way to get this to be louder?
[22:50:00] egeekial: no one has any idea?
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[22:57:00] Shibz: i have searched the manual for every reference to jitter or echo, but none of them helped
[22:59:00] Shibz: anyone else have a PVR-500?
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[23:07:00] dhofstra: Shibz I assume you saw this guy in the mailing list http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/131857
[23:14:00] iggy: dhofstra: haha, you mean someone actually do their own legwork
[23:14:00] iggy: silly human
[23:14:00] dhofstra: lol
[23:21:00] ** gnarface yawn **
[23:21:00] gnarface: good morning everyone.
[23:21:00] gnarface: anyone seen jams lately?
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[23:25:00] tibbetts: My mythtv box keeps running out of diskspace, seemingly ungracefully (loggin lots of "ERROR: file I/O problem in safe_write(), errcnt = 1: No space left on device"). Did I miss some configuration parameter to tell it how much disk to use?
[23:26:00] tibbetts: ah, found something in the archives.
[23:27:00] GeckoFiend: gnarface he's around now and then.
[23:28:00] EricAnderson: Wow
[23:28:00] EricAnderson: What a horse race
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[23:31:00] tibbetts: Is there anyway to configure mythtv other than through the gui configurator?
[23:32:00] lucas333: you could go straight to the settings table in the mysql database, but that's only if you know what you're doing.
[23:33:00] fatmatt: lucas333: theres a lot of stuff to fill in there though
[23:34:00] fatmatt: I've been using a vnc connection to run the config utility, don't have a keyboard or monitor on the backend
[23:35:00] tibbetts: I'm Xforwarding the config utility, but it is slow.
[23:36:00] lucas333: I always use vnc as well to do the backend gui config... it would be nice if there would be a textbased version of mythtv-setup
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[23:36:00] fatmatt: only need to run it once,
[23:37:00] tibbetts: Yeah, I'm running it now because I want to tweak the free-disk-space parameter, but I can't find it.
[23:37:00] fatmatt: console version, yah, wouldbe handy
[23:37:00] lucas333: still not something I'd spend any dev time on.. I'd rather have new features / existing ones improved.
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[23:38:00] tibbetts: I'd settle for a text file I could edit by hand. XML or something ought to make it easy. But yeah, I'm unlikely to write it.
[23:38:00] tibbetts: probably yaml is better than xml, but whatever.
[23:38:00] tibbetts: so, anyone know where I set the amount of disk space to leave free?
[23:39:00] GeckoFiend: it's in the first part of mythtv-setup
[23:40:00] GeckoFiend: I lied
[23:41:00] GeckoFiend: you set it via the frontend
[23:41:00] GeckoFiend: tv settings->general page 3
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[23:42:00] Xoritor: hello
[23:42:00] tibbetts: Ah. Well, someone is watching TV right now. I can get it with mysql. But what are the units?
[23:43:00] GeckoFiend: GB
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[23:43:00] Xoritor: any linux users here using ATI cards?
[23:43:00] Xoritor: i have a "spare" one and i do not want to spend the money for a new card
[23:43:00] tibbetts: thanks, we'll see how it goes.
[23:43:00] GeckoFiend: usage of ATI cards is discouraged
[23:43:00] Xoritor: GeckoFiend, yea... i discourage it too
[23:43:00] Xoritor: :-/
[23:44:00] Xoritor: i juat happen to have one and i dont want to fork over for an new board
[23:44:00] Xoritor: sigh
[23:44:00] GeckoFiend: heh it's a lot less hastle to spend the $40 bucks than try and deal with that crap
[23:44:00] Beirdo: I use ATI boards
[23:44:00] Xoritor: yea
[23:44:00] Xoritor: Beirdo, on linux?
[23:44:00] Beirdo: they work fine for me
[23:44:00] Beirdo: yes
[23:44:00] Xoritor: using ati's drivers?
[23:44:00] Beirdo: yes
[23:45:00] Xoritor: hmm
[23:45:00] Xoritor: what card?
[23:45:00] Xoritor: was is a pain?
[23:45:00] Beirdo: used a 9200SE for a while, now 9600 Pro
[23:45:00] Xoritor: hmm
[23:45:00] Beirdo: the drivers are a bit finnicky, but work fine for myth
[23:45:00] Xoritor: using the firegl driver?
[23:45:00] Xoritor: hmm
[23:46:00] Beirdo: don't bother trying to play games though
[23:46:00] Xoritor: oh, i want to set it up so my wife can play some of the games
[23:46:00] Beirdo: http://pics.beirdo.ca/Flowers/57010015_G
[23:46:00] Xoritor: she likes those
[23:46:00] Beirdo: then buy an nVidia card
[23:46:00] Beirdo: :)
[23:46:00] Xoritor: :-/
[23:47:00] Xoritor: yea i suppose i _should_ just fork out the cash
[23:47:00] Xoritor: nice flowers
[23:47:00] Beirdo: my next upgrade will be to nVidia 6600GT
[23:47:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:47:00] Beirdo: thanks :)
[23:47:00] Beirdo: flowers are good for pictures
[23:48:00] Xoritor: my wife agrees with that
[23:48:00] Beirdo: I have most of another film with more flower pictures too
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[23:49:00] jason__: i downloaded the newest chris kennedy stable ivtv driver as well as the firmware off the hauppauge site and compiled both. However, i'm getting errors in dmesg after loading ivtv
[23:49:00] jason__: here's the output – http://pastebin.com/287655
[23:49:00] gnarface: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[23:50:00] ** gnarface sobs uncontrollably **
[23:50:00] gnarface: god fucking damn microsoft and their rule of terror
[23:50:00] GeckoFiend: wth is your problem?
[23:50:00] gnarface: the last person on the planet that knew what i need to know about the ftdi_sio module was an SGI employee and my email to him just bounced.
[23:50:00] gnarface: i blame microsoft.
[23:50:00] Beirdo: you're on crack
[23:50:00] fatmatt: as you do
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[23:51:00] gnarface: so?
[23:51:00] gnarface: what of it?
[23:51:00] gnarface: my only option now is vigilante justice.
[23:51:00] EricAnderson: Whats the best filesystem to store your videos on?
[23:51:00] Beirdo: go beat yourself with a baseball bat then
[23:51:00] Beirdo: EricAnderson: xfs
[23:52:00] gnarface: EricAnderson: they say xfs for performance, but as filesystems go you could do better in the area of data retention on unexpected power loss
[23:52:00] gnarface: really xfs just because it deletes large files the fastest
[23:52:00] EricAnderson: Hmm... my 'wa' cpu usage under top is at like 50%
[23:52:00] EricAnderson: wa == waiting on io yea?
[23:53:00] Beirdo: xfs is best with large files
[23:53:00] Beirdo: and there's no real issue with data retention
[23:53:00] gnarface: hmm. xfs uses alot of memory bandwidth compared to other ones though too, so its not advised for older hardware
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[23:53:00] Beirdo: myth isn't advised on older hardware :)
[23:53:00] gnarface: Beirdo: true enough.
[23:54:00] gnarface: EricAnderson: use xfs and if it pisses you off switch to ext3 or reiser.
[23:54:00] EricAnderson: Dude, Im using 2200+, 368meg ram, pvr-150, nvidia 5500, 160gb 7200rpm 133 hd
[23:54:00] Beirdo: ext3 is shit for large files
[23:54:00] Beirdo: shit, I say
[23:54:00] EricAnderson: I am using ext3 right now
[23:54:00] EricAnderson: I am wondering if that has to do with my poor performance
[23:54:00] kormoc: cornholio!
[23:54:00] gnarface: i'm a fan of reiser, even though its not so great with large files either
[23:55:00] Beirdo: xfs or jfs
[23:55:00] gnarface: EricAnderson: did you mount your video partition with like, noatime and notail or whatever? that can help too.
[23:55:00] Beirdo: pick your poison
[23:55:00] EricAnderson: Nothing has atime... whats notail?
[23:55:00] mirak: I have a pctv rave
[23:55:00] mirak: isn't life wonderfull ?
[23:55:00] mirak: ok, so how can I setup the chroma etcetera ?
[23:55:00] Beirdo: what's a man page
[23:56:00] gnarface: EricAnderson: man mount and then use "/notail" to search for it
[23:57:00] tibbetts: what is the magic word to google for setting up the remote control that came with my PVR-250? lircd? Something else?
[23:57:00] EricAnderson: Hows that gonna help with ext3??
[23:57:00] tibbetts: i'm dumb again, found the section in the HOWTO.
[23:58:00] jason__: anyone know what's causing my ivtv error?
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[23:59:00] gnarface: tibbetts when you compile lircd make sure you configure it with --with-driver=hauppage or --use-driver=hauppage or whatever it is
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