| Thursday, May 19th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | SarahEmm: | and are you sure dma is on on your hard drive? |
| [00:00:00] | mirak_: | I think it is |
| [00:00:00] | mirak_: | the cpu is not craming |
| [00:00:00] | mchou: | bobc: pvr 150 has great pic quality, except for channel 2. moy othere card have OK (but not stellar quality) for all channels. |
| [00:00:00] | mirak_: | I mean it's not to 100% |
| [00:00:00] | SarahEmm: | mirak: err, you're not maxing out your CPU, but it's a bad framerate? |
| [00:00:00] | mirak_: | I have a seagate ide 250G hard drive |
| [00:00:00] | SarahEmm: | that's odd. |
| [00:00:00] | mirak_: | yes |
| [00:00:00] | SarahEmm: | check with hdparm? |
| [00:01:00] | mchou: | bobc: so whenever a show on channel two, I want to use card 3 :) |
| [00:01:00] | mchou: | otherise use cards 1 and 2 :) |
| [00:01:00] | SarahEmm: | mirak: what resolution? |
| [00:01:00] | mirak_: | UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 |
| [00:01:00] | mirak_: | AdvancedPM=no WriteCache=enabled |
| [00:01:00] | rtsai1111: | mchou: what if you set up two separate lineups? |
| [00:01:00] | mirak_: | SarahEmm: how can I know the resolution ? |
| [00:02:00] | mirak_: | playback is for sure in 1240*1024, but I don't know for capture |
| [00:02:00] | bobc: | mchou: yeah, I think you're out of luck |
| [00:03:00] | bobc: | mchou: but on a positive note, there may be a work around for the remote issue I have for the PVR150 |
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| [00:03:00] | bobc: | doesn't that make you feel better... |
| [00:03:00] | SarahEmm: | mirak: it's in either mythsetup or somewhere in the config part of the frontend.. |
| [00:03:00] | mchou: | nah, I'm not out of luck. as rtsai1111 says I can have two separate line-ups. No channel 2 for pvr150 :( |
| [00:03:00] | SarahEmm: | under recording in the frontend maybe? |
| [00:04:00] | ** gnarface yawn ** | |
| [00:04:00] | gnarface: | how many times can i recompile gcc with -march=athlon-xp and -O3 before it segfaults every time i try to compile something? |
| [00:05:00] | mirak_: | bobc: I have found the capture settings, where I can set mpeg4 settings |
| [00:05:00] | mirak_: | etctera |
| [00:05:00] | mchou: | bobc: heh, told you something will come around :) |
| [00:05:00] | mirak_: | but how do I enable the mode I want among the presets ? |
| [00:06:00] | mchou: | gnarface: why you want to compile for march=athlon-xp is boyond me. |
| [00:06:00] | mirak_: | SarahEmm: I think that the problem comes from the video card that can't capture at this resolution |
| [00:06:00] | Agrajag-: | gnarface: lemme guess, gentoo |
| [00:07:00] | mchou: | Agrajag-: what gave you that clue? :) |
| [00:07:00] | Agrajag-: | gee.. i dunno :P |
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| [00:07:00] | gnarface: | Agrajag-: heh. common problem then? |
| [00:07:00] | [Klatuu]: | anyone use serial control on a directv receiver in here? |
| [00:07:00] | Agrajag-: | gnarface: no |
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| [00:07:00] | SarahEmm: | mirak: okay.... |
| [00:07:00] | mchou: | gnarface: common problem only for gentoo :) |
| [00:08:00] | Agrajag-: | well the common problem is gentoo users who like to compile everythign with flags they don't understand |
| [00:08:00] | gnarface: | [Klatuu]: no, but if you figure out how to do that let me know |
| [00:08:00] | [Klatuu]: | mmmk |
| [00:09:00] | CygnusX1_: | gcc -o wall x5 r3 q1 'kitchen sink' |
| [00:09:00] | Agrajag-: | haha |
| [00:10:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
| [00:10:00] | gnarface: | Agrajag-: i'm aware of the relative recklessness of the settings. i'm just trying to correlate my experiences with anyone else's. it could be bad ram too you know. |
| [00:11:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [00:11:00] | mchou: | bad ram. |
| [00:11:00] | mirak_: | anyone know how to change the capture resolution ? |
| [00:11:00] | mchou: | yeah, that's the first thing I suspect when compiler craps out on me :) |
| [00:12:00] | gnarface: | mirak_: did you try ivtvctl -f width=720,height=480 |
| [00:12:00] | gnarface: | mchou: obviously you don't use athlons much. |
| [00:13:00] | mchou: | lol, I only have 3 athlonXPs at home :) |
| [00:14:00] | Esotericisms: | j-rod you around? |
| [00:14:00] | ** gnarface *sigh* ** | |
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| [00:15:00] | ** gnarface obviously should have stayed in bed. ** | |
| [00:15:00] | braniff: | what does WriteAudio: buffer underrun mean ?? |
| [00:17:00] | kormoc: | usually it means it can't write to the buffer fast enough |
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| [00:17:00] | braniff: | ok |
| [00:17:00] | Ashlar: | got a problem, hope someone can help... When I go into livetv, I can change sources via 'Y', no problem.. but when I try to change channels on any of the three cards, from four different remote frontends, the video / audio stops. |
| [00:18:00] | Ashlar: | If I hit escape twice, I can get back to the myth menu, so the box isn't locked up. While the video / audio is frozen, I can see the ringbuffer increasing in size, and when I hit escape twice, it gets deleted. (so I din't think it's a permissions issue with the livetv buffer). |
| [00:18:00] | mirak_: | gnarface: I don't have this |
| [00:19:00] | Ashlar: | I've wiped out the settings and started from scratch.. no joy.. cranked up the debug on the backend, nothing jumps out.. frontend segfaults on -v all or -v channel |
| [00:19:00] | rtsai1111: | Ashlar: why don't you try simplifying down to a single card in a combined fe/be? |
| [00:19:00] | Ashlar: | actually, let me try it from the backend's mythfrontend (never use it) |
| [00:20:00] | braniff: | how do I get rid of WriteAudio: buffer underrun ?? |
| [00:20:00] | ** braniff feels lucky ** | |
| [00:21:00] | kormoc: | figure out what's causing it and fix it :P |
| [00:22:00] | braniff: | heh |
| [00:22:00] | mirak_: | seems the capture card died ot soemthing |
| [00:22:00] | mirak_: | how to reainitialise it ? |
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| [00:23:00] | mirak_: | huh weird |
| [00:24:00] | braniff: | reboot? |
| [00:24:00] | Ashlar: | well dip me in chocolate and call me a fatsicle.. it works from the backend's mythfrontend |
| [00:24:00] | kormoc: | that would be a waste of chocolate :P |
| [00:25:00] | Esotericisms: | damn piece of shit ATI cards |
| [00:25:00] | kormoc: | yup |
| [00:25:00] | Ashlar: | so the question is.. why can the local frontend change channels and the remote ones can't |
| [00:25:00] | mirak_: | wow nice |
| [00:26:00] | mirak_: | braniff: no, cable prolem |
| [00:26:00] | mirak_: | problem |
| [00:27:00] | ** braniff thinks that if he idles here long enough, his problem will just go away ** | |
| [00:27:00] | braniff: | bah! buffer underrun |
| [00:27:00] | rtsai1111: | Can't help you there; I only have a combined FE/BE. |
| [00:28:00] | rtsai1111: | Ashlar: since you have so many FEs, how about you send me one. I'll figure out what's wrong, and tell you how to fix your other FEs :). |
| [00:29:00] | Ashlar: | lol.. blame it on the wife.. 1 fe per tv (of course, 2 are xboxes) |
| [00:29:00] | rtsai1111: | Esotericism: why not just shell out the $50 for an nVidia FX5200 (or less for an MX400 or something) be done with it? Use your ATI card for something else. |
| [00:30:00] | rtsai1111: | Ashlar: then you can send me a TV as well, to satisfy your "one FE per TV" rule. |
| [00:30:00] | rtsai1111: | as long as I'm flying blind, I'd just suggest you concentrate on the PC FE before tackling the xbox FE problems. |
| [00:30:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [00:30:00] | ** SarahEmm just got her xbox FE finally up and running today ** | |
| [00:31:00] | SarahEmm: | it's so much more natural of an interface to use a remote than a keyboard.. |
| [00:31:00] | Ashlar: | well, the xbox's work great other than this livetv thing.. playback recordings great, music, etc etc |
| [00:31:00] | ** rtsai1111 has a remote for his PC ** | |
| [00:31:00] | SarahEmm: | rtsai1111: true.. this is my only FE with a remote tho, others have wireless keyboards instead |
| [00:32:00] | ** rtsai1111 hasn't taught the remote the IR keyboard codes yet, so is actually still using a wireless keyboard ** | |
| [00:32:00] | Ashlar: | I love my irman + rs 15–2116 |
| [00:32:00] | rtsai1111: | ashlar: are you using jp1 with that? |
| [00:32:00] | Ashlar: | you know it |
| [00:33:00] | rtsai1111: | I have an RS 15–2116 that I've been meaning to use with JP1 and a wireless keyboard IR receiver. |
| [00:33:00] | rtsai1111: | Is it easy? |
| [00:33:00] | dhofstra: | I've always been amazed that rpm packages for (Suse and Mandrake at least) dont seem to have a configuration available to tell LIRC that your homebrew reciever is also a transmitter |
| [00:33:00] | Esotericisms: | rtsai1111, that is what I am going to have to do |
| [00:33:00] | rtsai1111: | I've bought the JP1 cable and stuff, but then my PSU decided to crap out on me. |
| [00:33:00] | dhofstra: | JP1 is awesome |
| [00:33:00] | Ashlar: | via jp1, I was able to learn some of the buttons that are otherwise 'unlearnable'.. like scan |
| [00:33:00] | dhofstra: | I love the extenders |
| [00:33:00] | rtsai1111: | which was more painful: jp1 or mythtv? |
| [00:34:00] | dcfogg: | so Im still here and still have the same problem.........if anyone can help???please help .........I can have sound with live tv if I unmute the Line input but it doesn't shut down when I close MythTV ....if I mute Line input I get no sound and there seems to be no way to enable capture on the line input |
| [00:34:00] | Ashlar: | myth, by far.. jp1 is easy, other than finding the right software / resources on the net.. there is a lot of link rot when you find a jp1 site |
| [00:34:00] | dhofstra: | err.. tough choice .. jp1 wasnt so painful as it was tedius getting my remote setup just right (I am a perfectionist) |
| [00:34:00] | rtsai1111: | anyone using jp1 and wireless keyboard IR that wouldn't mind sharing their jp1 configuration? |
| [00:35:00] | mirak_: | do you have any advice to have fine interlaced capture with mpeg4 ? |
| [00:35:00] | Ashlar: | rtsai1111: interesting idea.. I know that the rs 15–2116 is a |
| [00:36:00] | Ashlar: | err is a powerful IR output.. never thought about using it with an IR kb receiver |
| [00:36:00] | SarahEmm: | mirak: fine interlaced capture? |
| [00:36:00] | Ashlar: | would kinda cut out the middle man.. no need for lirc |
| [00:36:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm running MPEG4 here.. seems that there's not many of us left doing software encoding |
| [00:37:00] | rtsai1111: | yeah, but mythtv and xine are fully lirc-aware. No need to reconfigure xine keybindings |
| [00:37:00] | rtsai1111: | and you'd have to fiddle with window manager keybindings if you want to program a key to do anything non-myth-related. |
| [00:37:00] | braniff: | what's the best hardware encoder to buy anyway? |
| [00:37:00] | rtsai1111: | but the keyboard is too nice to have when typing stuff in like "synaesthesia" for configuring mythmusic |
| [00:38:00] | SarahEmm: | braniff: the only supported ones are the hauppauge PVR-xxx ones |
| [00:38:00] | SarahEmm: | the -250 and -350 are the oldest and most stable.. the -150 and -500 are new |
| [00:38:00] | SarahEmm: | the -150 seems a lot of people are using now |
| [00:38:00] | SarahEmm: | the -500 i've not heard of anyone using in production yet.. |
| [00:38:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm still software encoding :) |
| [00:39:00] | kormoc: | yay for bttv! |
| [00:39:00] | braniff: | yeah i've got one of those WinTV Go things too |
| [00:39:00] | mirak_: | problem with my card is that when I go above 288 in height, it's insterlaced capture |
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| [00:40:00] | Agrajag-: | well deinterlace it (in the capture settings) |
| [00:40:00] | mirak_: | the results are really not good |
| [00:41:00] | braniff: | hmm i see a PVR-150 for $99 US. |
| [00:41:00] | SarahEmm: | yep |
| [00:41:00] | SarahEmm: | they're cheeap :) |
| [00:41:00] | SarahEmm: | the -500 is dual-tuner |
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| [00:41:00] | SarahEmm: | which sounds very nice.. i'd love to have one as i only have one PCI slot |
| [00:41:00] | braniff: | i'm thinking i gots to have it |
| [00:42:00] | iggy: | braniff: pcalchemy has them cheaper than that |
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| [00:42:00] | iggy: | mine were 70 when they first came out |
| [00:42:00] | Bob-Laptop: | braniff: I got mine for $60 after rebates |
| [00:42:00] | SarahEmm: | there's a few disadvantages, but overall hardware encoding seems to be the way to go |
| [00:42:00] | braniff: | yeah this bttv bs is getting old |
| [00:42:00] | Agrajag-: | nah dvb is :) |
| [00:42:00] | opello: | if you're looking for prices — my 500 was ~$147 |
| [00:43:00] | iggy: | atsc |
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| [00:43:00] | SarahEmm: | braniff: what's wrong with bttv? |
| [00:43:00] | SarahEmm: | i've had no issues with mine other than not being able to go dual-tuner because of CPU load |
| [00:43:00] | gnarface: | uh oh |
| [00:43:00] | gnarface: | you just said the wrong thing braniff |
| [00:43:00] | Bob-Laptop: | opello: I looked at the 500s, but I chose 3 150s for about the same money |
| [00:44:00] | ** gnarface ducks ** | |
| [00:44:00] | fryfrog: | dang, someone said my name a long time ago :/ |
| [00:44:00] | opello: | Bob-Laptop: you must have gotten quite a deal on them? i guess i read about all the issues with the different versions of the 150 that it scared me into getting a 500 — and all i've got is a pundit, so pretty much 1 usable slot as far as length |
| [00:45:00] | ** braniff is blaming his problems on bttv ** | |
| [00:45:00] | braniff: | specifically that buffer underrun and myth crashing problems |
| [00:45:00] | Bob-Laptop: | opello: well the three cards were 180 after rebates, |
| [00:45:00] | opello: | ah |
| [00:46:00] | Bob-Laptop: | opello: so far they have worked great |
| [00:46:00] | SarahEmm: | braniff: well, i'm running bttv here with 0.18-r1 and have no issues |
| [00:46:00] | opello: | cool :) no big problems with my 500 either |
| [00:46:00] | braniff: | what soundcard, SarahEmm ? |
| [00:46:00] | Bob-Laptop: | opello: I have a pile of small desktops I am using for backends |
| [00:47:00] | SarahEmm: | braniff: my bttv card supports btaudio |
| [00:47:00] | SarahEmm: | so none :) |
| [00:47:00] | opello: | neat, i guess i never thought of multiple backends — but that doesn't really work for moving as often as i will be for the next few years :/ |
| [00:48:00] | braniff: | yeah! that's a great idea! btaudio |
| [00:48:00] | braniff: | that's the next thing to try |
| [00:48:00] | SarahEmm: | some cards support it, but most seem to not |
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| [00:48:00] | SarahEmm: | the ATI TV Wonder (original, plain, no VE Pro CX or whatever) supports it |
| [00:48:00] | braniff: | mine does, because i used to run it w/ 0.15 |
| [00:49:00] | SarahEmm: | oh |
| [00:49:00] | SarahEmm: | why did you stop? |
| [00:49:00] | braniff: | i really don't remember why i stopped heh |
| [00:49:00] | SarahEmm: | heh okay |
| [00:49:00] | SarahEmm: | works very well for me |
| [00:49:00] | SarahEmm: | hardware encoding would be nice 'cuz i wouldn't be limited to one tuner like you are with bttv unless you have lots of cpu or multiple boxes |
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| [00:51:00] | fryfrog: | or multiple soundcards |
| [00:52:00] | SarahEmm: | true, but as long as your cards support btaudio that's not an issue |
| [00:54:00] | dcfogg: | what would dmesg look like if my card works with btaudio if that is the same as module tvaudio??? |
| [00:54:00] | fryfrog: | ah, true |
| [00:54:00] | SarahEmm: | i dunno what tvaudio is |
| [00:55:00] | fryfrog: | dcfogg: you would modprobe the btaudio driver and if you can get sound from it, it works :) |
| [00:55:00] | SarahEmm: | btaudio just won't produce any sound if your card doesn't support it |
| [00:55:00] | fryfrog: | it'll load for any bttv card, but if you don't get sound from it it don't support it :) |
| [00:55:00] | dcfogg: | I don't know if I have that module built |
| [00:56:00] | SarahEmm: | it's OSS.. |
| [00:56:00] | SarahEmm: | at least only the OSS one works for me |
| [00:56:00] | fryfrog: | there is an alsa module of the same name |
| [00:56:00] | fryfrog: | have you tried that? |
| [00:56:00] | dcfogg: | module btaudio not found |
| [00:56:00] | dcfogg: | :-( |
| [00:57:00] | mirak_: | I create a recording but it's not remembered |
| [00:57:00] | fryfrog: | so make it :) |
| [00:57:00] | fryfrog: | it might be called "snd-btaudio" or something |
| [00:57:00] | dcfogg: | am having sound problems |
| [00:57:00] | mirak_: | by the way I don't have sound |
| [00:57:00] | fryfrog: | you need to check your kernel config and maybe alsa docs |
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| [00:59:00] | [Klatuu]: | fun fun fun |
| [01:00:00] | ** [Klatuu] is attempting to hack the satcontrol proggie ** | |
| [01:01:00] | lucas333: | anyone know where I could get a myth .17 tarball? anything between .15 and .18 seems to be gone from mythtv.org |
| [01:02:00] | fryfrog: | did you try taking the path to 0.18.1 and removing the file name and getting a dir listing? |
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| [01:04:00] | dcfogg: | ok I made the module snd-bt87x |
| [01:05:00] | dcfogg: | so how would mythtvs config change??? |
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| [01:05:00] | hadees: | so who is running http://www.lxmsuite.com/ |
| [01:05:00] | hadees: | anyone that talks on irc? |
| [01:05:00] | jams: | The company is technovera |
| [01:06:00] | fryfrog: | dcfogg: you'll need to configure your alsa settings first |
| [01:06:00] | hadees: | jams, think they would be intrested in a business deal? |
| [01:06:00] | fryfrog: | then in mythsetup, you'll need to point the audio input to the new alsa device |
| [01:06:00] | gnarface: | man this sucks. my compiler ran a hell of a lot faster when it was compiled with athlon-xp extensions. |
| [01:06:00] | hadees: | say selling plugins |
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| [01:06:00] | fryfrog: | maybe like "/dev/sound/mixer1" or something? |
| [01:06:00] | fryfrog: | or ALSA:something? |
| [01:07:00] | jams: | hadees what sort of plugins |
| [01:07:00] | hadees: | the company i work for would be willing to pay for news plugin but it requires data |
| [01:07:00] | hadees: | specificly my boss, i told him about mythtv |
| [01:09:00] | jams: | the way mythmovietime was done is the plugin is gpl and the data is a paid service |
| [01:09:00] | hadees: | hmm see the problem is you can't sell 3rd party plugins |
| [01:09:00] | hadees: | because of the gpl |
| [01:10:00] | hadees: | isn't the only way to make money then from subscription? |
| [01:10:00] | hadees: | how does mythmoviestime make money? |
| [01:10:00] | hadees: | selling tickets? |
| [01:10:00] | hadees: | or just extra data |
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| [01:10:00] | j-rod: | it makes use of extra data you get with an LxM subscription that you don't w/just zap2it |
| [01:11:00] | dcfogg: | Ok I'll try to get it to work after dinner :-) |
| [01:11:00] | j-rod: | http://wilsonet.com/blog/ |
| [01:11:00] | j-rod: | see the latest post |
| [01:11:00] | j-rod: | that's my take on it |
| [01:11:00] | CygnusX1_: | Sounds like paid spyware coming to Linux. |
| [01:11:00] | j-rod: | sounds like too many Linux users are paranoid |
| [01:11:00] | j-rod: | :) |
| [01:12:00] | CygnusX1_: | j-rod, Too many Windows users are lacking paranoia |
| [01:12:00] | CygnusX1_: | :-) |
| [01:12:00] | j-rod: | true dat |
| [01:13:00] | j-rod: | but these guys are legit, and it ain't spyware |
| [01:13:00] | iggy: | if the data is the only that's not open source, you can look and see if it's spyware yourself |
| [01:13:00] | j-rod: | that too |
| [01:13:00] | mchou: | I think it's too early to call Technovera "legit" :) |
| [01:14:00] | CygnusX1_: | true enough iggy |
| [01:14:00] | j-rod: | why is it too early to call them a legitimate company? |
| [01:14:00] | mchou: | j-rod: cause even enron was "legit" |
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| [01:14:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: hey, i asked a long time ago why you thought it was like letting other people run the company? |
| [01:14:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [01:14:00] | CygnusX1_: | Your local county government is "legit" too. ;-) |
| [01:15:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: enron didn't provide any real serivce |
| [01:15:00] | j-rod: | well, I see them legitimately giving back |
| [01:15:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: lxm already has in the form of the movie time plugin as well as an alternative to data direct |
| [01:15:00] | CygnusX1_: | Sure they did--they lightened the wallet/purse load of many folks. |
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| [01:16:00] | j-rod: | AND... they're in discussions with a certain documentation freak about writing a mythtv operations manual/users guide |
| [01:16:00] | CygnusX1_: | How many MythTv owners go to the movies more than once a year? (Seeing if I am weird...I get raped about once every three years at the theater.) |
| [01:16:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: I know of no successful public company that let's shareholders (or worse, customers) vote on what future direction for them to take. |
| [01:16:00] | mchou: | except maybe pryamid and ponzi schemes :) |
| [01:16:00] | [Klatuu]: | grrr |
| [01:16:00] | [Klatuu]: | why is this not working |
| [01:17:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: is that so? perhaps you are not living in this world or universe |
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| [01:17:00] | j-rod: | mchou, the customers guide only a small piece |
| [01:17:00] | iggy: | CygnusX1_: I do |
| [01:17:00] | fryfrog: | EVERY company works on that principle, you just vote more indirectly with your dollars |
| [01:17:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: feel free to cite a counter-example. |
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| [01:17:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: please, tell me about a successful company that doesn't do what its customers want? |
| [01:18:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: right, except they don't start with that as the "business plan" |
| [01:18:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: and how is it THEIR buisness plan? |
| [01:19:00] | iggy: | the business plan seems to be the same as any other open source service company |
| [01:19:00] | CygnusX1_: | Let me see...since 1990 – Hunt for Red October, something I can't remember, ST: Insurrection, the Chronicles of Riddick and that's about it for me. |
| [01:19:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: that's what you siad last night, paraphrasing now "the idea is to let customers vote on most important features" |
| [01:19:00] | iggy: | (Red Hat? they've got a lot more money than I'll ever have) |
| [01:19:00] | j-rod: | Everyone that actually KNOWS what their business plan is, please raise your hand... |
| [01:19:00] | j-rod: | speculation is great fun |
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| [01:19:00] | mchou: | said* |
| [01:19:00] | CygnusX1_: | Anyone think this MS buying RedHat stuff is serious? |
| [01:20:00] | Agrajag-: | i dunno what you're talking about, but no |
| [01:20:00] | iggy: | CygnusX1_: not even close |
| [01:20:00] | mchou: | j-rod: if nobody here knows what their biz plan is, then you saying "it's legit" doesnt necessarily make it so :) |
| [01:20:00] | ** j-rod raises his hand, but cannot say anything further ** | |
| [01:21:00] | j-rod: | I didn't say nobody knows. |
| [01:21:00] | mchou: | j-rod: OK, that's fine. But you said yourself last night you dont know how to evaluate a biz plan :) |
| [01:22:00] | mchou: | so you'll forgive me if I seem a bit incredilous :) |
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| [01:22:00] | j-rod: | Not without someone who does explaining it to me. |
| [01:22:00] | j-rod: | :) |
| [01:22:00] | maddhaggis: | Hello all |
| [01:22:00] | gnarface: | microsoft isn't buying redhat |
| [01:22:00] | gnarface: | i am. |
| [01:22:00] | mirak_: | where do we set the recording quality profile ? |
| [01:23:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: you can be incredulous, just avoid stupid statements :) |
| [01:23:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: you're the only one issuing stupid statements here..... |
| [01:24:00] | fryfrog: | no, sorry you are :) |
| [01:24:00] | fryfrog: | in every buisness, customers are the only reason they exist |
| [01:24:00] | mchou: | right, and every business has a vision. |
| [01:24:00] | fryfrog: | if a buisness isn't doing what its customers need/want, then that buisness will not be successful |
| [01:24:00] | rpete: | mirak_, mythfrontend->setup->setup->tv settings |
| [01:24:00] | mchou: | letting ppl vote does not represent a vision. |
| [01:24:00] | mchou: | it represents chaos. |
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| [01:25:00] | iggy: | hey how about this |
| [01:25:00] | iggy: | STFU |
| [01:25:00] | fryfrog: | ahahah |
| [01:25:00] | iggy: | if you don't trust them, don't, let other people make their own f'in decision |
| [01:25:00] | mchou: | iggy: you're an ass. |
| [01:26:00] | iggy: | so fucking what |
| [01:26:00] | mchou: | iggy: so dont get off on telling others to STFU. |
| [01:26:00] | iggy: | I'm not getting off |
| [01:26:00] | fryfrog: | hes right, we should both just shut the fuck up :) |
| [01:27:00] | iggy: | I just want all of you to STFU about this shit |
| [01:27:00] | mchou: | iggy: why dont YOU STFU then?? |
| [01:27:00] | pookSter: | can't we all just get along |
| [01:27:00] | iggy: | done |
| [01:28:00] | pookSter: | man, that was easy...now I'm off to the middle east to see what I can do there |
| [01:28:00] | fryfrog: | ahhaha |
| [01:29:00] | hadees: | mchou, as long as there are things getting done it can't be bad |
| [01:29:00] | mchou: | hadees: right, enron got things done too :) |
| [01:29:00] | fryfrog: | i'd be much more worried if it was like $30/mo |
| [01:30:00] | hadees: | mchou, thats not fair, enron was fake engry |
| [01:30:00] | hadees: | this is software |
| [01:30:00] | mchou: | ol. |
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| [01:30:00] | hadees: | plus plugins come with the tv listings |
| [01:31:00] | hadees: | its not bad so long as no one is forced into it |
| [01:31:00] | hadees: | just adds diffrent things |
| [01:35:00] | mirak_: | is it possible to use a different TV programm ? |
| [01:35:00] | mirak_: | I want to decrypt a channel |
| [01:35:00] | mirak_: | I need a particular programm to do that |
| [01:35:00] | mirak_: | is it possible ? |
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| [01:37:00] | [Klatuu]: | grrr |
| [01:37:00] | [Klatuu]: | I can control my directv box from winders |
| [01:37:00] | [Klatuu]: | but not from linux |
| [01:39:00] | GeckoFiend: | CygnusX1_ You've got to be kidding me. If every single Myth user in the USA signed up for the pilot project it wouldn't even come close to the amount of money Technovera has pumped into Myth related stuff of ver the past 6 months |
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| [01:40:00] | GeckoFiend: | mchou the services thing isn't their core business and it's pretty muich just a way to help further the development of Myth. |
| [01:41:00] | mchou: | well, that's good to know :) |
| [01:41:00] | GeckoFiend: | http://www.lxmsuite.com/openletter.htm |
| [01:41:00] | dcfogg: | ok gnomealsamixer shows a device for snd-bt87x |
| [01:42:00] | dcfogg: | does that mean that my card supports btaudio???? |
| [01:46:00] | braniff: | hmm what's the apt package name for gnomealsamixer ? |
| [01:46:00] | braniff: | i'm also trying to set up btaudio |
| [01:47:00] | dcfogg: | I used emerge not apt |
| [01:48:00] | dcfogg: | unfortunatly the dependencies included the gnome desktop LOL |
| [01:48:00] | fryfrog: | just use alsamixer |
| [01:48:00] | fryfrog: | or alsamixergui |
| [01:50:00] | braniff: | what settings are available for device: snd-bt87x ?? |
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| [01:50:00] | braniff: | i have a bt device with almost no settings |
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| [01:52:00] | dcfogg: | there is only a capture setting on mine |
| [01:52:00] | braniff: | yeah mine too |
| [01:53:00] | mchou: | this is too damn weird. |
| [01:53:00] | [Klatuu]: | hrmmm |
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| [01:53:00] | [Klatuu]: | this sony.pl script seems to work |
| [01:53:00] | [Klatuu]: | yay |
| [01:53:00] | braniff: | mine used to work with the "btaudio" kernel module, but that module is deprecated in favor of snd-bt8x |
| [01:54:00] | [Klatuu]: | one step closer to a fully functioning myth box |
| [01:54:00] | mchou: | [Klatuu]: lol. A HTPC is by definition never "finshed" |
| [01:55:00] | mchou: | finished* |
| [01:55:00] | [Klatuu]: | the tough part now is a good lircrc file |
| [01:56:00] | dcfogg: | ok now how to configure this thing :-/ ???? |
| [01:59:00] | [Klatuu]: | configure what? |
| [02:00:00] | dcfogg: | the audio for MythTV with the snd-bt87x |
| [02:01:00] | [Klatuu]: | oh |
| [02:01:00] | [Klatuu]: | can't help there |
| [02:01:00] | braniff: | man i've scoured the internet for good docs on that and found jack shit heh |
| [02:01:00] | braniff: | it's too new |
| [02:01:00] | dcfogg: | :-( it should be the same as btaudio |
| [02:01:00] | dcfogg: | shouldn't it??? |
| [02:02:00] | braniff: | it's not, because i used to run btaudio |
| [02:02:00] | fryfrog: | dcfogg: there should be almost no options for it |
| [02:02:00] | braniff: | you get tons of mixer settings to work with |
| [02:02:00] | braniff: | for your bt87x card |
| [02:02:00] | fryfrog: | dcfogg: you should either get sound or not |
| [02:02:00] | braniff: | just like a normal sound card |
| [02:02:00] | fryfrog: | i'm pretty sure you only get a few, like maybe one slider and one or two options |
| [02:03:00] | dcfogg: | yea that is all I got |
| [02:04:00] | dcfogg: | what about the other sound settings for Myth??? |
| [02:04:00] | dcfogg: | like the audio in the vidocard setting on the backend??? |
| [02:04:00] | braniff: | how do i know which device is my btaudio ? |
| [02:05:00] | braniff: | like /dev/dsp* |
| [02:05:00] | fryfrog: | unload the device |
| [02:05:00] | fryfrog: | ls /dev/dsp |
| [02:06:00] | fryfrog: | then modprobe snd-bt8x |
| [02:06:00] | fryfrog: | then ls /dev/dsp |
| [02:06:00] | fryfrog: | see what you end up with :) |
| [02:06:00] | fryfrog: | you might be able to look at dmesg and see |
| [02:07:00] | dcfogg: | I get nada in dmesg |
| [02:07:00] | [Klatuu]: | grrr |
| [02:07:00] | [Klatuu]: | I think gentoo has farked my mysql |
| [02:08:00] | ** braniff goes to record Alias on his Tivo since mythtv don't work ** | |
| [02:09:00] | ** rtsai1111 thinks mythtv is doing braniff a favor ** | |
| [02:09:00] | braniff: | maybe so heh |
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| [02:10:00] | braniff: | i just like seeing that Alias chick |
| [02:10:00] | Democritus2: | quickie help please- i have everything setup nicely- video is decent, recordings work- all the plugins working- only thing not working is sound |
| [02:10:00] | j-rod: | she looks even better in HDTV |
| [02:10:00] | j-rod: | (as recorded by my Myth box every Wednesday night) |
| [02:10:00] | Democritus2: | i have tried both /dev/dsp and /dev/sound/dsp, running in gentoo |
| [02:11:00] | ** j-rod loves the opening credits... ** | |
| [02:11:00] | braniff: | i still have yet to see any HD pr0n, but i bet it's splendid |
| [02:11:00] | Democritus2: | tvtime, mplayer, everything else on box has sound |
| [02:11:00] | j-rod: | heh |
| [02:11:00] | Democritus2: | j-rod, does mythtv support hd-tv cards? |
| [02:11:00] | ** jams returns ** | |
| [02:12:00] | j-rod: | yup |
| [02:12:00] | ** j-rod waves at jams ** | |
| [02:12:00] | jams: | hey |
| [02:12:00] | jams: | like the change to your website |
| [02:12:00] | j-rod: | supports both hdtv cards and firewire capture of hd off some cable boxes |
| [02:13:00] | j-rod: | jams, the blog part or the howto part? |
| [02:13:00] | jams: | blog part |
| [02:13:00] | fryfrog: | with firewire hd, can myth change channels over firewire? |
| [02:13:00] | j-rod: | yes |
| [02:13:00] | fryfrog: | mmm, i'm gonna have to get comcast to leave an extra hd box then :) |
| [02:13:00] | fryfrog: | so in theory, you could rent 2 of em, hook em up over firewire and not even need a tv card? |
| [02:13:00] | j-rod: | jams, I've got some stuff in mind for the howto part too... just haven't had time yet |
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| [02:14:00] | braniff: | # modprobe -r snd_bt87x / "FATAL: Module snd_bt87x is in use." (in runlevel 3) |
| [02:14:00] | jams: | heh know that feeling |
| [02:15:00] | j-rod: | not to mention the 40+ open tickets I've got in trac... |
| [02:15:00] | jams: | fryfrog, pretty sure that's the case. |
| [02:15:00] | j-rod: | fryfrog, yes, that is indeed correct |
| [02:15:00] | braniff: | how do i "unuse" snd_bt87x ? |
| [02:16:00] | j-rod: | gotta kill off whatever is using that module |
| [02:16:00] | Democritus2: | any suggestions on how to troubleshoot the sound issue? |
| [02:16:00] | j-rod: | is the mythbackend running? |
| [02:16:00] | braniff: | yup, that's waht it was |
| [02:17:00] | jams: | Democritus2, what capture card are you using? |
| [02:17:00] | Democritus2: | a bttv based one |
| [02:18:00] | Democritus2: | Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| [02:18:00] | jams: | and you have the sound patch cable routed correctly? |
| [02:18:00] | Democritus2: | tvtime works fine |
| [02:19:00] | jams: | ok..then your mixer settings are most likely incorrect |
| [02:19:00] | jams: | did you read the docs on the mixer settings? |
| [02:20:00] | ** braniff dubs this channel #Brooktree_audio_problems ** | |
| [02:20:00] | jams: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.2 |
| [02:21:00] | Democritus2: | ran kmix |
| [02:21:00] | Democritus2: | turned on line |
| [02:21:00] | Democritus2: | then got sound- unfortunately mythfrontend is not running |
| [02:22:00] | Democritus2: | i remember having that problem before |
| [02:22:00] | Democritus2: | its playing the audio from the last channel i had open |
| [02:22:00] | Democritus2: | and i could never find the process to kill it |
| [02:22:00] | dcfogg: | what sound card??? |
| [02:23:00] | Democritus2: | guess i could just turn off the line when doing something else |
| [02:23:00] | dcfogg: | if you open up xawtv then shut it down the sound stops |
| [02:23:00] | Democritus2: | Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) |
| [02:24:00] | dcfogg: | or tvtime |
| [02:24:00] | Democritus2: | i will have to emerge xawtv |
| [02:24:00] | Democritus2: | oh i use tvtime |
| [02:24:00] | Democritus2: | lemme me see |
| [02:24:00] | Democritus2: | yeah that worked thanx |
| [02:25:00] | Democritus2: | now gonna check on recording i set earlier |
| [02:25:00] | Democritus2: | i gotta get hdtv card- analog kinda sucks |
| [02:25:00] | dcfogg: | been working on the same problem with a different sound card for 2 days |
| [02:25:00] | Democritus2: | of course only digital channels, etc |
| [02:26:00] | jams: | with a bttv card that's true..i'm happy with the pvr-250 |
| [02:26:00] | dcfogg: | if you can mute Line and set it for the capture source you should be in business |
| [02:27:00] | dcfogg: | I unfortunatly can not do this with my sound card :-( |
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| [02:32:00] | Democritus2: | hmm |
| [02:33:00] | j-rod: | commute time... |
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| [02:40:00] | EricAnderson: | Does watching live TV.... change channels take forever for anyone else? |
| [02:41:00] | iggy: | do you have a hardware mpeg card? |
| [02:41:00] | EricAnderson: | Yup |
| [02:41:00] | EricAnderson: | pvr-150 |
| [02:41:00] | iggy: | think about it |
| [02:41:00] | iggy: | the card has buffers and mpeg streams |
| [02:41:00] | EricAnderson: | hmm |
| [02:42:00] | EricAnderson: | No wonder no one watches tv live through this thing |
| [02:42:00] | iggy: | they have to empty and finish playing before the next channel will start |
| [02:42:00] | fryfrog: | also, don't forget it buffers to disk as well |
| [02:42:00] | iggy: | once you go recorded tv, you won't go back |
| [02:42:00] | fryfrog: | so there is a slight delay as that starts to happen and the file is read |
| [02:42:00] | EricAnderson: | fryfrog: That explains the choppiness in the begining |
| [02:42:00] | fryfrog: | i felt the same way when i first started myth :) |
| [02:42:00] | fryfrog: | i haven't watched livetv since myth filled up my 200G drive :) |
| [02:42:00] | EricAnderson: | lol |
| [02:43:00] | EricAnderson: | I used to have a cable set top box |
| [02:43:00] | EricAnderson: | I know the feeling |
| [02:43:00] | EricAnderson: | I just have nothing recorded yet |
| [02:43:00] | EricAnderson: | Im not sure my guide is working right |
| [02:43:00] | fryfrog: | i wish i did watch tv, cause the guide and mini-preview kicks ass |
| [02:43:00] | EricAnderson: | yeah |
| [02:43:00] | EricAnderson: | I havent setup my remote yet either :) |
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| [02:44:00] | EricAnderson: | Hmm |
| [02:44:00] | EricAnderson: | Why would alsamixer not work? the /dev/sound/* is all group audio... and is group rw... |
| [02:46:00] | nilaruz: | how long do you consider "forever"? it takes 2 seconds for me to change channels |
| [02:46:00] | EricAnderson: | thats a long time :) |
| [02:46:00] | nilaruz: | same amount of time as any commercial pvr |
| [02:47:00] | EricAnderson: | hmm |
| [02:47:00] | rtsai1111: | tivo is instant (analog cable with no descrambler box or IR-blaster nonsense) |
| [02:47:00] | rtsai1111: | 2 seconds is a long time |
| [02:47:00] | rtsai1111: | but myth is worth the price |
| [02:47:00] | EricAnderson: | lol |
| [02:47:00] | nilaruz: | my gf's dvr from adelphia takes 2secs |
| [02:47:00] | fryfrog: | you get what you pay for! :) |
| [02:47:00] | rtsai1111: | i've not liked any cable-co dvrs |
| [02:48:00] | rtsai1111: | but they're all just good enough to keep tivo struggling |
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| [02:48:00] | nilaruz: | how do you figure? adelphia costs a fortune and the service still sucks |
| [02:48:00] | rtsai1111: | i haven't seen adelphia. a friend of mine has dish |
| [02:48:00] | nilaruz: | more like.. you get what your forced to |
| [02:48:00] | rtsai1111: | not as good as tivo, but good enough for him to use |
| [02:48:00] | rtsai1111: | more convenient, etc. |
| [02:48:00] | EricAnderson: | So... on another oddball alsa note... why would, as root, alsamixer give me a mixer that clearly changes my audio levels... and alsaconf say it couldnt find a supported card |
| [02:48:00] | rtsai1111: | not bad enough to make him want to set up a tivo on his own |
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| [02:52:00] | EricAnderson: | is there a way to make the font bigger? |
| [02:52:00] | EricAnderson: | its kinda hard to see |
| [02:52:00] | rtsai1111: | you mean besides on the setup/appearances screen? |
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| [02:53:00] | EricAnderson: | I dont know, I just ... litterally 15 minutes ago, finished compiling and setting things up :) |
| [02:53:00] | Randall64: | Man, that Lost is some good drama. |
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| [02:54:00] | rtsai1111: | i don't think i watch anything on abc |
| [02:54:00] | fryfrog: | ohhh, yes Lost is awsome! |
| [02:55:00] | maddhaggis: | does alsa support DTS and dolby digital decoding? |
| [02:55:00] | Randall64: | So I've got a 2005fpw on the way for my office, but now I want a device to capture hdtv. |
| [02:56:00] | maddhaggis: | or is it passthru only? |
| [02:56:00] | Randall64: | maddhaggis: That'd happen at a layer above alsa, wouldn't it? |
| [02:56:00] | maddhaggis: | ??? |
| [02:56:00] | Randall64: | There are ac3 libraries at least, but alsa does 5.1 audio afaik. |
| [02:57:00] | Randall64: | You could also pass through. |
| [02:57:00] | Randall64: | That reminds, I need that header for my athlon64. |
| [02:57:00] | Randall64: | spdif |
| [02:58:00] | maddhaggis: | the audigy 2 supports dts and dolby digital decoding, I was just wondering if that support was available for linux |
| [02:59:00] | dcfogg: | fryfrog, can you help me with the settings for snd-bt87x??? |
| [02:59:00] | fryfrog: | dcfogg: i can only guess and hope i'm right, all i have are 4x pvr 250 hardware mpeg2 cards |
| [03:00:00] | fryfrog: | soon to be only 3! |
| [03:00:00] | dcfogg: | well I don't use the patch cable with it do I??? |
| [03:01:00] | fryfrog: | if the bt87x driver WORKS, you wouldn't |
| [03:01:00] | fryfrog: | if it doesn't you'll have to :/ |
| [03:01:00] | maddhaggis: | where in ivtv can i adjust my tuner options? |
| [03:01:00] | fryfrog: | wtf, the guy from sopranos is on L&O? |
| [03:02:00] | dcfogg: | well I have the backend videocard set to /dev/sound/dsp1 and the frontend set to the soundcard and I am getting nothing |
| [03:02:00] | fryfrog: | you can try googling for your exact card to see if it *should* work with bt87x |
| [03:03:00] | fryfrog: | i had two bttv cards, neither worked with the btaudio driver |
| [03:03:00] | dcfogg: | ok ;-) |
| [03:03:00] | maddhaggis: | did you change the levels in your mixer? |
| [03:03:00] | fryfrog: | oh, easy tests |
| [03:03:00] | fryfrog: | you can use something like tvtime maybe? |
| [03:03:00] | fryfrog: | and get rid of the complexity that mythtv is for testing if you simply should have working soudn ;) |
| [03:03:00] | fryfrog: | tvtime or ummm |
| [03:03:00] | fryfrog: | awtv? |
| [03:04:00] | fryfrog: | whats the other big tv prog? |
| [03:04:00] | fryfrog: | xawtv i think? |
| [03:05:00] | Skaface_: | yeah xawtv |
| [03:10:00] | [Klatuu]: | grrr |
| [03:10:00] | EricAnderson: | Any time I do just about ANYTHING while watching live tv... the computer gets all chopped up |
| [03:10:00] | [Klatuu]: | now what did I do to break myth |
| [03:11:00] | EricAnderson: | What can I do to speed it up |
| [03:12:00] | fryfrog: | are you running mythfrontend as root or a normal user? |
| [03:12:00] | EricAnderson: | normal |
| [03:13:00] | fryfrog: | if normal user, try doing "chmod +s `which mythfrontend`" |
| [03:13:00] | fryfrog: | that'll let mythfrontend spawn its important threads with realtime priority and can fix some unsmoothness |
| [03:13:00] | EricAnderson: | that'll speed it up |
| [03:13:00] | EricAnderson: | But thats a serious security flaw |
| [03:13:00] | fryfrog: | do you use your mythbox for anything high end? |
| [03:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | not every setuid app is a security problem |
| [03:14:00] | EricAnderson: | GreyFoxx: one where you can set the directories to read/write to is |
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| [03:14:00] | EricAnderson: | Ill consider it I guess |
| [03:14:00] | fryfrog: | you can always try it |
| [03:14:00] | EricAnderson: | right |
| [03:14:00] | fryfrog: | and if it doesn't fix the problem (it might not) undo it :) |
| [03:15:00] | EricAnderson: | Let me ask you this... it appears as if I got my program channels just fine, but show data isnt here |
| [03:15:00] | fryfrog: | the nice thing though is that it doesn't run EVERYTHING as root |
| [03:15:00] | fryfrog: | just playback threads |
| [03:15:00] | Randall64: | Peecees are cheap toys. You shouldn't have to double duty. |
| [03:15:00] | Randall64: | Just get another one. |
| [03:15:00] | fryfrog: | what Randall64 ? |
| [03:16:00] | Randall64: | Put mythtv on an emachine and forget about it. |
| [03:16:00] | EricAnderson: | Is there a typical problem with program guide data? In which you can get the channels but not the show data? |
| [03:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | can't say I've ever heard of that particular problem |
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| [03:19:00] | Randall64: | Anyone use monster.com lately? What's with that stupid little box to put in a cover letter? |
| [03:19:00] | peter123: | anyone here re encode their recordings for the sony psp? |
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| [03:23:00] | Randall64: | monster.com is just vile now |
| [03:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [03:26:00] | iggy: | that's actually how I got my last job |
| [03:26:00] | iggy: | but it sucks, so maybe that's not a good point |
| [03:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've never even seen that site :) |
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| [03:57:00] | EricAnderson: | Holy weirdness... so I dont have a list of shows int he program guide, but for some reason they appear to show up in the program finder |
| [03:57:00] | EricAnderson: | Oh I get it... it doesnt have todays stuff cause I just set the damn thing up today |
| [03:57:00] | fryfrog: | have you tried stopping/starting the backend, then re-running mythfill database? |
| [03:58:00] | fryfrog: | i think there is a "--today only" option type ting |
| [03:58:00] | EricAnderson: | hmm |
| [03:58:00] | EricAnderson: | Yeah, I rebooted |
| [03:58:00] | fryfrog: | datadirect ? |
| [03:58:00] | fryfrog: | reboot won't run mythfilldatabase though |
| [03:58:00] | EricAnderson: | Its cool, I can live without the guide tonight... yup datadirect |
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| [03:59:00] | Ashlar: | mythfilldatabase --refresh-today |
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| [04:10:00] | dcfogg: | well btaudio registers devices /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2 but live TV wont start with either choosen as the video card sound capture |
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| [04:10:00] | Randall64: | btaudio? from the old OSS pre-alsa days? |
| [04:15:00] | dcfogg: | yes I am having problems with sound |
| [04:16:00] | Agrajag-: | so you'er using oss? |
| [04:16:00] | dcfogg: | I was gonna try it |
| [04:16:00] | Agrajag-: | if i was having problems with sound i'd try alsa rather than oss :) |
| [04:17:00] | dcfogg: | right now I am going to see if I can get ALSA snd-bt87x to work |
| [04:17:00] | Randall64: | I use snd-bt87x on my wintv cards. |
| [04:17:00] | dcfogg: | haven't had any luck with it yet |
| [04:17:00] | dcfogg: | how do you have it configured??? |
| [04:17:00] | Randall64: | Sound on linux is black magic. |
| [04:17:00] | dcfogg: | I have a wintv go |
| [04:19:00] | dcfogg: | and an Audigy gamer using emu10k1 |
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| [04:23:00] | Randall64: | fucking peecee pulled a windoze when I did grep -r |
| [04:24:00] | Randall64: | worthless little toy computer kits |
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| [04:27:00] | dcfogg: | well it seems snd-bt87x doesnt work for me or I don't know how to configure it |
| [04:28:00] | Randall64: | I was trying to figure out what I did, but you see how that went. |
| [04:28:00] | fryfrog: | dcfogg: did you try getting it to work with tvtime or xawtv? |
| [04:29:00] | fryfrog: | that'd be far far simpler if you just want to see if it *should* work |
| [04:30:00] | defaultro: | wow, 24 next week is 2 hrs |
| [04:30:00] | defaultro: | hi fryfrog |
| [04:30:00] | fryfrog: | heya |
| [04:30:00] | Randall64: | Man I wish X11.app didn't try to do xinerama. |
| [04:30:00] | defaultro: | hi Randall |
| [04:30:00] | dcfogg: | mysund works with tvtime and xawtv |
| [04:30:00] | defaultro: | long time no see :) |
| [04:31:00] | Randall64: | defaultro: hi |
| [04:31:00] | Randall64: | defaultro: I was in #macosx pre-Tiger |
| [04:31:00] | defaultro: | ah ;) |
| [04:31:00] | Randall64: | dcfogg: I have my Audio device set to /dev/dsp1 |
| [04:32:00] | dcfogg: | they do sound differnt |
| [04:32:00] | dcfogg: | in the backend??? |
| [04:33:00] | Randall64: | application mythbackend uses obsolete OSS audio interface |
| [04:33:00] | Randall64: | dcfogg: on the capture card, yeah |
| [04:33:00] | dcfogg: | I tried to set it to /dev/dsp1 and nada |
| [04:33:00] | Randall64: | Maybe your sound card nabs more than /dev/dsp0 |
| [04:34:00] | ** defaultro taught his 4 yr old kid new tricks in mythtv ** | |
| [04:34:00] | defaultro: | lol :) |
| [04:35:00] | dcfogg: | if I modprobe -r snd-bt87x /dev/dsp1 disappers |
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| [04:38:00] | dcfogg: | ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:04.1[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 201 |
| [04:38:00] | dcfogg: | is what I get in dmesg |
| [04:38:00] | dcfogg: | when I load snd-bt87x |
| [04:40:00] | Randall64: | snd_pcm_oss 58997 0 |
| [04:40:00] | Randall64: | woops |
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| [04:42:00] | Bogus8: | anyone know how to enable cloned desktops on TV out and VGA out on a nvidia FX5200? |
| [04:47:00] | gnarface: | Bogus8: if you're using the nvidia binary drivers read the readme file especially appendix J and whichever the other appendix is with all the driver options |
| [04:47:00] | Bogus8: | gnarface: I got my drivers from Yum |
| [04:47:00] | Bogus8: | gnarface: but I'll give it a gander |
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| [04:50:00] | Bogus8: | gnarface: good info, I completely forgot how indepth the read me was |
| [04:50:00] | Bogus8: | thanks |
| [04:50:00] | gnarface: | no prob. just make sure you ARE using those binary drivers. their versioning convention should be tell-tale (6629, 7168, something like that) |
| [04:51:00] | gnarface: | no idea whether the open source drivers will support the tv out right |
| [04:51:00] | gnarface: | but the nice thing is that their driver-specific options from the readme actually make it really easy to configure multidesktop setups |
| [04:52:00] | Bogus8: | gnarface: I got tv out fine... but it's either one or the other, I want to be able to use the LCD when I want to without restarting X |
| [04:52:00] | Bogus8: | basically I'm not after anything fancy just duplicate desktops |
| [04:53:00] | Bogus8: | so I can watch tv and play xbox at the same time and such ;) |
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| [05:00:00] | mchou: | wow, I'm flabbergasted. |
| [05:00:00] | mchou: | my pings are on the order of 500ms. This is bullshit. |
| [05:02:00] | maddhaggis: | Anyone having any luck w/ PVR500? |
| [05:03:00] | mchou: | what's wrong with it? |
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| [05:04:00] | fryfrog: | it sucks, send it to me :) |
| [05:05:00] | ethics: | im working with pvr 150 atm....500 = 2 x 150s whats up? |
| [05:05:00] | maddhaggis: | only 1 of the 2 cards can use a tuner. and I can only get 2 channels on cable. not changing channels in the guide. |
| [05:05:00] | maddhaggis: | 1 channel (USA) is gray and poopy |
| [05:06:00] | ethics: | maddhaggis, are you scanning for 2 cards? i think it was something like options tuner = 57,57 to detect the 2 cards in one |
| [05:07:00] | maddhaggis: | I set up my modprobe.conf as written in Jarod's HOWTO |
| [05:07:00] | ethics: | gimme the link to jarods...i dont know if i read that way |
| [05:08:00] | j-rod: | Jarod's doc is missing some bits if you're using ATrpms packages... |
| [05:08:00] | j-rod: | He badly needs to do a little update... |
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| [05:08:00] | maddhaggis: | ok http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#intro |
| [05:08:00] | maddhaggis: | I tried looking at the ivtv site for more info. |
| [05:09:00] | j-rod: | try adding lines to modprobe.conf like so: 'alias msp3400 msp3400-ivtv" |
| [05:09:00] | j-rod: | alias tveeprom tveeprom-ivtv |
| [05:09:00] | j-rod: | alias tuner tuner-ivtv |
| [05:09:00] | Beirdo: | alias beavis butthead |
| [05:09:00] | rpete: | where do these *-ivtv module names come from? |
| [05:09:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:10:00] | ** j-rod has two different PVR-500 cards working ** | |
| [05:10:00] | rpete: | some package that names them so? |
| [05:10:00] | j-rod: | alias wayne garth |
| [05:10:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [05:10:00] | j-rod: | yes, Axel names them that way to avoid namespace collisions with v4l snaps |
| [05:10:00] | maddhaggis: | alias Darth Vader? |
| [05:10:00] | ** Beirdo just got home.... anything cool happen? ** | |
| [05:10:00] | rpete: | okay, I've always just compiled ivtv and nuked the originals |
| [05:11:00] | Bogus8: | I still can't get dual displays on this FX5200 I put all sorts of garbage in my xorg.conf and still nothing :( |
| [05:11:00] | j-rod: | that works too |
| [05:11:00] | Beirdo: | dammit. she went to bed just before I got home :( |
| [05:12:00] | rpete: | who? your wife? |
| [05:12:00] | maddhaggis: | j-rod: what do you have in your modprobe.conf? |
| [05:12:00] | Beirdo: | hehe, no |
| [05:12:00] | Beirdo: | this woman's many miles away |
| [05:13:00] | rpete: | well you lost me, you have some spy camera on some woman miles away or something |
| [05:13:00] | j-rod: | the stuff in my doc, plus those alias lines I gave you |
| [05:14:00] | ** maddhaggis likes left-over chicken curry :) ** | |
| [05:14:00] | j-rod: | on my debian box, I move the in-kernel stuff out of the way and just use the ivtv bits as-is |
| [05:14:00] | Beirdo: | heh, and she called back :) |
| [05:14:00] | ** j-rod also likes chicken curry — the spicier the better ** | |
| [05:14:00] | ** Beirdo likes goat curry ** | |
| [05:14:00] | j-rod: | but panang beef curry is my favorite |
| [05:14:00] | maddhaggis: | Vindaloo is fun |
| [05:14:00] | ** rpete prefers mild chicken tiki masala ** | |
| [05:15:00] | maddhaggis: | Too much will put you "In da loo" for days. |
| [05:15:00] | ethics: | maddhaggis, did you copy the ROM files to lib/modules? |
| [05:16:00] | maddhaggis: | no |
| [05:16:00] | maddhaggis: | where do you get those? ivtv page? |
| [05:17:00] | ethics: | maddhaggis, install cd |
| [05:18:00] | maddhaggis: | Really? |
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| [05:18:00] | j-rod: | if you installed from atrpms, you already have the files |
| [05:18:00] | ethics: | maddhaggis, http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=PVR150-500Firmware |
| [05:18:00] | maddhaggis: | I installed from atrpms |
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| [05:18:00] | ethics: | j-rod, therds like 6 different versions of the 500s/150s |
| [05:19:00] | ethics: | j-rod, not sure how many different roms |
| [05:19:00] | ethics: | not to mention my pvr 150 doesnt seem to detect right at all under autodetect |
| [05:19:00] | Beirdo: | hehe, she still had her phone on vibrate. fine excuse for not answering the phone at midnight ;) |
| [05:20:00] | ethics: | im woriking it out slowly but im going to the dev cvs version i think |
| [05:20:00] | EricAnderson: | Dude, some of these sample remote keys are STUPID |
| [05:20:00] | EricAnderson: | Why would you use the volume button for left and right!? |
| [05:20:00] | EricAnderson: | And yellow/blue for volume |
| [05:20:00] | EricAnderson: | STUPID |
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| [05:20:00] | j-rod: | ethics, enable debug on all modules, load them up, get a log dump, and send it to the ivtv list, we'll fix it |
| [05:21:00] | Beirdo: | EricAnderson: if you don't like it, change it, and stop whining already :) |
| [05:21:00] | ethics: | EricAnderson, different controllers have different button configs but still work with the same drivers....whats volume to you could be power to another controller |
| [05:21:00] | EricAnderson: | ethics: You config lirc to return the button name |
| [05:21:00] | ethics: | j-rod, will do im trying to figure out whats going wwrong....i think it's the tuner type |
| [05:21:00] | EricAnderson: | ethics: then you map the name |
| [05:22:00] | ethics: | EricAnderson, yeah but the mappign for one controller may be different to another but the same ir codes are sent |
| [05:22:00] | ethics: | EricAnderson, i have 3 controllers all have differeing codees for volume..... |
| [05:23:00] | gnarface: | why is GANT so god damned ugly? |
| [05:23:00] | dcfogg: | lspci lists this .....0000:02:04.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| [05:23:00] | dcfogg: | and modprobe snd-bt87x produces /dev/dsp1 but I still get no sound :-( |
| [05:23:00] | Skaface_: | even the name sounds ugly |
| [05:23:00] | gnarface: | true, at least its appropriately named |
| [05:23:00] | gnarface: | so one might almost not be able to complain... |
| [05:23:00] | gnarface: | except what was wrong with the old default? |
| [05:24:00] | Skaface_: | your name is too similar to mine |
| [05:24:00] | gnarface: | are you going to be okay? |
| [05:25:00] | fryfrog: | you know, a mythbox in an atari 2600 case would look cool :) |
| [05:25:00] | Skaface_: | i think im about to collapse |
| [05:26:00] | gnarface: | make sure you have some Bayer on hand. it might save your life if you have a heart attack. |
| [05:27:00] | Beirdo: | Hmmm |
| [05:27:00] | Beirdo: | it seems my PVR isn't running the job queue anymore |
| [05:28:00] | Beirdo: | only the fileserver is |
| [05:28:00] | Beirdo: | how frigging odd |
| [05:28:00] | Beirdo: | kinda need both of them grinding through |
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| [05:39:00] | gnarface: | so there's like several versions of the remote that comes with the hauppage pvr cards |
| [05:40:00] | gnarface: | and they're not all actually only used on one model of the card? |
| [05:40:00] | gnarface: | anyone happen to know where there might be a set of pictures of each remote model and some sort of identification by which we can figure out which config settings to use? |
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| [05:40:00] | fryfrog: | i bought 3 250s and they all had the same remote |
| [05:40:00] | gnarface: | hmm. |
| [05:40:00] | gnarface: | i've bought 2 now and they have different remotes |
| [05:41:00] | fryfrog: | ah, well i bought my 3 at the same time :) |
| [05:41:00] | gnarface: | but the differences are subtle. by base description they're all amost the same |
| [05:41:00] | fryfrog: | so that might have done it :) |
| [05:41:00] | sidd: | hey! i have configured a pvr150 card but when i stream it to my tv, i get a larger than screen picture. how do i scale it down? |
| [05:41:00] | gnarface: | sidd: overscan settings |
| [05:41:00] | gnarface: | sidd: they're in the myth config and in the ivtv configs |
| [05:42:00] | sidd: | gnarface, the ivtvctl command param? |
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| [05:51:00] | gnarface: | sidd: one sec. |
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| [05:53:00] | gnarface: | sidd: woops. :( |
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| [05:53:00] | gnarface: | xdm, kdm, gdm or entrance? |
| [05:54:00] | EricAnderson: | Hmm |
| [05:54:00] | EricAnderson: | I see a serious lack in excelent remote control software |
| [05:55:00] | EricAnderson: | ie: key combos... and states |
| [05:55:00] | rpete: | ooh, there's one remote I can't think of the name but it does both of those beautifully |
| [05:56:00] | EricAnderson: | shouldnt need a remote... should be able to do it with software |
| [05:56:00] | rpete: | ah, logitech harmony |
| [05:57:00] | rpete: | I don't follow |
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| [06:01:00] | Agrajag-: | EricAnderson: what's the problem? |
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| [06:03:00] | fryfrog: | i can use the kb just fine to navigate myth, what are you havnig issues with? |
| [06:03:00] | fryfrog: | sometimes knowing what key does what isn't easy :) |
| [06:03:00] | fryfrog: | if you have mythweb installed/working there is a key editor built into that that makes it easy to find (and change) what does what |
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| [06:06:00] | riksta: | hmmm, i just tried something out. say for example you use nvidia driver. If you swap back to "nv" instead of "nvidia" mythtv actually CRASHES the box when it loads livetv. I'm sure it's possible to handle that more gracefully |
| [06:07:00] | Skif: | So the past few days, not quite a week, I've been getting a LOT of "connection to backend lost" messages |
| [06:07:00] | Skif: | to the point where mythtv is almost not really usable, because I can't watch anything. |
| [06:07:00] | rpete: | riksta, I've been running mythtv with nv driver sor some time |
| [06:07:00] | Skif: | So what sorts of things can cause these problems, and how might I go about fixing it? |
| [06:08:00] | Agrajag-: | Skif: network problems? |
| [06:08:00] | Agrajag-: | Skif: is the backend dying? |
| [06:08:00] | Skif: | Agrajag-: might be relevant, only they're on the same machine :) |
| [06:08:00] | rpete: | riksta, are you saying it's only when you change from nvidia to nv without rebooting? |
| [06:08:00] | Skif: | And as far as i can tell, the backend is still running. |
| [06:09:00] | Agrajag-: | run the backend from a terminal to see what it has to say about things |
| [06:10:00] | Skif: | hrm, okay |
| [06:10:00] | gnarface: | Agrajag-: woops. i guess it was my CFLAGS that made gcc segfault |
| [06:10:00] | riksta: | well, restarting X |
| [06:10:00] | Skif: | give me a minute; I want to make sure I'm invoking it in the same environment |
| [06:10:00] | Agrajag-: | gnarface: haha |
| [06:11:00] | gnarface: | Agrajag-: i will admit stupidity readily. you don't happen to know where the tv_grab_* files are supposed to be located do you? |
| [06:12:00] | Agrajag-: | they can be located wherever you like |
| [06:12:00] | gnarface: | fancy. |
| [06:12:00] | Agrajag-: | in your $PATH might be useful though |
| [06:12:00] | gnarface: | aah. noted. |
| [06:12:00] | gnarface: | can i explain a problem to you? |
| [06:12:00] | gnarface: | i'm actually not even sure its a problem. |
| [06:12:00] | gnarface: | i don't seem to have them |
| [06:13:00] | gnarface: | but my channel listings all appear to work |
| [06:13:00] | gnarface: | i was just trying to follow this advice and it boggled me: [JelleKalf] If you want the program data and all the info that comes with it, add $opt_slow=1 to your tv_grab_* file. * being nl for me :) |
| [06:13:00] | Agrajag-: | what tv_grab_* are you using? |
| [06:14:00] | riksta: | with the -v all flag |
| [06:14:00] | gnarface: | hmm. whichever one is zap2it. is that my problem? |
| [06:14:00] | Agrajag-: | dont think so |
| [06:15:00] | Skif: | Agrajag-: of course, now it works. :P |
| [06:15:00] | Agrajag-: | i dont use whatever zap2it is.. so dunno how to help |
| [06:16:00] | gnarface: | aah. so the tv_grab_* files are regional scripts to package up the calls to xmltv? |
| [06:16:00] | Agrajag-: | they're regional scripts to get data, say, from websites, and put them in xmltv format |
| [06:17:00] | gnarface: | hmm. ok. so they come with xmltv, which would be why i don't have them. got it. |
| [06:17:00] | gnarface: | that answers my question. |
| [06:17:00] | gnarface: | thanks. |
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| [06:20:00] | mchou: | Agrajag-: gotta lov gentoo users..... |
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| [06:27:00] | riksta: | nothin wrong with it |
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| [06:30:00] | ethics: | hey if i have a pvr-150 and am having ivtv troubles....where should i try a driver from? is chris kennedy's the same as at ivtv.sourceforge? |
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| [06:32:00] | mchou: | ethics: 3.4o is what I'd recommend. |
| [06:32:00] | ethics: | mchou where to find them? |
| [06:32:00] | mchou: | assuming you use a 2.6 ernel..... |
| [06:32:00] | mchou: | kernel* |
| [06:33:00] | mchou: | ivtv.tv |
| [06:33:00] | ethics: | im 2.6.8 kernel |
| [06:34:00] | mchou: | hmm, I might even give 3.4x a whirl :) |
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| [06:40:00] | ethics: | mchou what pvr do you use? |
| [06:40:00] | mchou: | 2x150 |
| [06:41:00] | ethics: | mchou....i have a 150 also....can you tell me what tuner type it configs... |
| [06:42:00] | mchou: | both of mine are type 50. I'm less that pleased re tuner quality..... |
| [06:42:00] | ethics: | i think i have everything 100 right just the driver doesnt config 150 right |
| [06:42:00] | mchou: | s/that/than |
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| [06:42:00] | mchou: | ethics: I doubt it. |
| [06:42:00] | ethics: | mchou there are different type tuners on 150s? |
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| [06:42:00] | mchou: | yup. |
| [06:42:00] | mchou: | what tuner type you got? |
| [06:43:00] | ethics: | mchou....i get display but pltune wont find any channels....others have had similar and said try different tuner numbers....eitherway i have some new drivers to try tonight |
| [06:43:00] | ethics: | mchou what driver you on atm? |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | lord, I told you already. |
| [06:44:00] | ethics: | it cam up autoconfiged as tuner =2 ...i tried 47,57 which worked on some of the 350s and 500s but it seems the different regions have different versions...similar but different |
| [06:44:00] | mchou: | I dunno who these other ppl you are referring to. Sound like a bunch of crock to me. |
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| [06:45:00] | mchou: | tveeprom will ay which tuner it thinks it is. |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | say* |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | that's the most reliable indicator. |
| [06:46:00] | ethics: | mchou hmm ok then im prolly being misleaded by reading the wiki posts.. |
| [06:46:00] | mchou: | anything else is just BS. |
| [06:46:00] | mchou: | wiki from where? |
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| [06:47:00] | ethics: | sec ill find it |
| [06:47:00] | sidd: | can someone tell me how ot reduce the image size from a pvr150 card? |
| [06:48:00] | mchou: | sidd: hehe, that's probably boked :) |
| [06:48:00] | mchou: | borked* |
| [06:49:00] | mchou: | sidd: and be precise with your question...you want to capture at lower sizes or you want to postprocess to lower sizes? |
| [06:50:00] | sidd: | mchou, i am streaming the composite input to a television but the imaeg is larger than the screen :( |
| [06:50:00] | mchou: | that's called overscan. |
| [06:50:00] | sidd: | have tried ivtvctl -f for 640x480 but then i loose image quality and the image still doesnt fit the tv. |
| [06:51:00] | sidd: | mchou, so how do i work on this iverscan thingie? |
| [06:51:00] | mchou: | youcan set the overscan amount in myth or your video card, your choice. |
| [06:51:00] | sidd: | overscan. |
| [06:51:00] | mchou: | sidd: read the docs. |
| [06:51:00] | sidd: | am not using myth rt now. how do i do it on a pvr150 card. |
| [06:51:00] | sidd: | i know some one would say that after some time :) |
| [06:52:00] | mchou: | htf should I know? |
| [06:52:00] | mchou: | you're in the myth-users channel. |
| [06:53:00] | sidd: | mchou, yes, but ivtv channel has next to no one and i found this the only channel with people helping out. |
| [06:53:00] | gnarface: | sidd: hey, out of curiosity how is your image hooked to the tv? second head on a video card or a tv out? |
| [06:54:00] | ethics: | mchou: cant find the page i was on the other night but nayways there was someone saying to try one of these 4 tunertupes with reboots inbetween as ivtv doesnt set tuertypes properly til rebooted..at that point i stopped for the night and figured id try it on a new day and see if i got anywhere |
| [06:56:00] | sidd: | gnarface, i have a streaming server send it out to a set-top box |
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| [06:58:00] | gnarface: | sidd: the point i'm trying to get at is, do you know for sure the X session is set to the same resolution as the native resolution of your display? |
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| [06:58:00] | sidd: | gnarface, am not using x at all. am sending the input directly to the tv from the command line |
| [06:59:00] | sidd: | but i think i get your point |
| [06:59:00] | sidd: | does it have anything to do with the refresh rate of h/v freq of te tv? |
| [07:00:00] | gnarface: | sidd: if you're getting a display and those values are just a *little* off then yes, you could have the improper h/v freq settings |
| [07:00:00] | sidd: | but then, a 2.6.9 kernel with 0.3.3k drivers works fine except for no sound in tuner. |
| [07:00:00] | gnarface: | sidd: so you're using directfb instead of X? |
| [07:00:00] | sidd: | gnarface, yes. |
| [07:00:00] | gnarface: | sidd: you still have to have a video card. what is it? |
| [07:00:00] | sidd: | like usint mplayer -vo vesa /dev/video0 |
| [07:01:00] | gnarface: | sidd: and i'm assuming you're using the svideo or composite outputs? |
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| [07:01:00] | sidd: | gnarface, a nvidia RIVA TNT 64 pro |
| [07:01:00] | sidd: | gnarface, compiosite. |
| [07:02:00] | sidd: | gnarface, actually, the settop box has an ethernet interface and the streaming server sends it via ethernet on say channel 20 |
| [07:03:00] | gnarface: | huh? |
| [07:03:00] | gnarface: | this doesn't seem to make any sense. |
| [07:03:00] | sidd: | so if i select channel 20 on the ethernet, i get the output on my tv whatever is being input via tuner to the pvr card |
| [07:03:00] | sidd: | ?? |
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| [07:04:00] | gnarface: | channel 20 on the ethernet? your terminology is confusing me. |
| [07:04:00] | gnarface: | before trying to get to the bottom of whatever misunderstandings are going on here |
| [07:04:00] | sidd: | tuner -> pvr150 -> streaming server (ethernet) ->network (multicast) -> settop box -> Television |
| [07:04:00] | gnarface: | ... |
| [07:04:00] | gnarface: | ok |
| [07:04:00] | gnarface: | i really don't know much about multicast |
| [07:05:00] | gnarface: | but what i do know is that somewhere there is a video card sending a signal to that tv |
| [07:05:00] | gnarface: | you need to figure out which computer that video card is in |
| [07:05:00] | gnarface: | and then make sure its software is configured correctly for the tv |
| [07:05:00] | sidd: | the streaming server has some kind of a mechanism wherein if i specify channel as 20 then the settop box will display the stream on channel 20 (selected via remote on the set top box) |
| [07:06:00] | sidd: | gnarface, if it were the tv or the streaming s/w, how could kernel 2.6.9 with the 3.3k drivers work fine? |
| [07:06:00] | gnarface: | dear god |
| [07:06:00] | gnarface: | how should i know? |
| [07:06:00] | sidd: | now, 3.3k drivers with 2.6.11 still gives larger than tv images. |
| [07:06:00] | sidd: | :) |
| [07:06:00] | sidd: | rhetorically speaking. |
| [07:07:00] | gnarface: | ok |
| [07:07:00] | gnarface: | so it all used to work? |
| [07:07:00] | gnarface: | one might suggest you just don't poke it |
| [07:07:00] | gnarface: | i don't know anything about that settop box |
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| [07:07:00] | gnarface: | so it's gotta be part of the problem |
| [07:07:00] | gnarface: | first thing's first |
| [07:07:00] | gnarface: | you need to figure out which video card has ultimate control of the tv |
| [07:08:00] | gnarface: | if a kernel change broke it, then it seems more likely you've got a directfb config problem, since if it was an S |
| [07:08:00] | gnarface: | and X server issue |
| [07:08:00] | gnarface: | then the config would be kernel independant |
| [07:08:00] | gnarface: | what exactly is the set-top box? |
| [07:09:00] | gnarface: | another computer just running mythfrontend? |
| [07:09:00] | gnarface: | and then putting the output to a composite out? |
| [07:09:00] | sidd: | it is an inhouse development. |
| [07:09:00] | gnarface: | and you changed the kernel on the *back* end box? |
| [07:09:00] | gnarface: | hmm. |
| [07:09:00] | sidd: | gnarface, yes, as i wan not getting any audio in tuner in this kernel+driver combination. |
| [07:10:00] | gnarface: | sidd: i've told you all i can really, considering your setup there's a lot of variables i'm in the dark on. |
| [07:10:00] | gnarface: | something doesn't make sense though. check for things that might have changed without your knowlege |
| [07:11:00] | gnarface: | check to make sure for example the new kernel config didn't overwrite any modules for video card drivers |
| [07:11:00] | gnarface: | check also the actual resolution of the recordings and the playback settings |
| [07:12:00] | sidd: | gnarface, thanks anyways. the previous developer told me it was the same with kernel2.6.9 also, but a driver upgrade to 0.3.3k ivtv solved it. will work in that direction then.' |
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| [07:12:00] | sidd: | gnarface, mplayer captures the stream very will and displays it perfectly on the screen |
| [07:13:00] | gnarface: | sidd: nothing in the set-top box changed? it should be outputting NTSC no matter what its original source, IMHO |
| [07:13:00] | sidd: | was just wondering if i can change the h/v freq or the screen size of the input from the card. |
| [07:13:00] | sidd: | gnarface, nothing changed there. |
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| [07:37:00] | vertighost: | hey, so I have spent about an hour trying to tune ivtv to no avail on my pvr350 using the itune program in conjunction with mplayer |
| [07:37:00] | vertighost: | is there an easier way to do it? all my channels are staticky |
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| [07:44:00] | gnarface: | vertighost: get a better antenna? |
| [07:49:00] | gnarface: | vertighost: seriously. what are you using for a signal? |
| [07:50:00] | gnarface: | vertighost: whatever it is try duct-taping a framework of coathangers to it, then wrap the framework in sheets of tinfoil |
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| [07:52:00] | gnarface: | vertighost: i suppose i should be honest. if the answer to your question is yes, i don't know it. but if your antenna sucks try that angle first. |
| [07:58:00] | ** levon m00s ** | |
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| [08:05:00] | Agrajag-: | ok.. i just sent a mail to the -users list, and got back "The mail you sent to mythtv-users@mythtv.org with the subject [mythtv-users] nuvexport/transcode + dvb + a/v sync problem is undeliverable because the user mailbox no longer exists and no forwarding address has been set." |
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| [08:06:00] | Agrajag-: | but i received the email |
| [08:06:00] | Agrajag-: | can anyone here who's subscribed to that list confirm that it got sent? |
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| [08:09:00] | vertighost: | I'm using cable not an antenna |
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| [08:17:00] | TV_Dunce: | Ho |
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| [08:19:00] | ** TV_Dunce has entered the building ** | |
| [08:19:00] | TV_Dunce: | I actually gotmyth to work --- with no audio !! |
| [08:19:00] | TV_Dunce: | but now, i just get a blank screen |
| [08:20:00] | TV_Dunce: | but, TV_Time works (no audio) |
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| [08:21:00] | TV_Dunce: | any quick answers to why my screen would just be black ? no picture, though I DID have a picture earlier |
| [08:21:00] | TV_Dunce: | ? |
| [08:22:00] | TV_Dunce: | looks like maybe a 'bad socket' error ...... what that is ? |
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| [08:24:00] | TV_Dunce: | hmmmm |
| [08:24:00] | TV_Dunce: | i guess you peeps are tired of my problems "_ |
| [08:24:00] | TV_Dunce: | but, i DID get it to run .... |
| [08:24:00] | TV_Dunce: | surprising |
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| [08:26:00] | matmrosko: | anybody here? |
| [08:26:00] | TV_Dunce: | well, if anyone can help, i' |
| [08:26:00] | fryfrog: | only bots :/ |
| [08:26:00] | TV_Dunce: | lol |
| [08:27:00] | matmrosko: | i just posted to the list... but if i can get a quicker response in here, that'd be great... |
| [08:27:00] | TV_Dunce: | maybe only me, a rqw newbie |
| [08:27:00] | matmrosko: | do you know where more information is stored about recordings? i've grabbed a frew shows from a friend |
| [08:27:00] | TV_Dunce: | i'm looking for help ..... i know little |
| [08:27:00] | mirak: | hey |
| [08:27:00] | mirak: | it's me ! |
| [08:27:00] | mirak: | I am back ! |
| [08:27:00] | Agrajag-: | matmrosko: you need to generate the png |
| [08:27:00] | TV_Dunce: | yo |
| [08:27:00] | matmrosko: | and i got the relivent stuff from the SQL table and re- commflagged them |
| [08:28:00] | matmrosko: | i have to do it by hand? |
| [08:28:00] | matmrosko: | so to speak |
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| [08:28:00] | matmrosko: | because on my own recordings, i can delete the PNGs and they will get re-generated automatically |
| [08:28:00] | mirak: | hi |
| [08:28:00] | TV_Dunce: | i can get no audio or picture |
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| [08:29:00] | fryfrog: | sounds like you just aren't getting all the mysql data |
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| [08:29:00] | TV_Dunce: | but myth is running ---- it did show a picture earlier ..... can't figure it |
| [08:29:00] | mirak: | why there is no DVB-T-S-C card ? |
| [08:29:00] | fryfrog: | Terrestial, Satalite, Cable? |
| [08:29:00] | Agrajag-: | you want one card that does all 3? |
| [08:29:00] | DSL_MTLCA: | fryfrog-> that's what i'm asking... where is all recorded info hidden? i have "recorded" and i re comm-flagged it, so i have "recordedmarkup" for it too... |
| [08:30:00] | TV_Dunce: | tvtime shows a picture |
| [08:30:00] | fryfrog: | if thats what you mean, sounds like you should talk to hardware companies not #mythtv :) |
| [08:30:00] | fryfrog: | DSL_MTLCA: I think there are like 5 or 6 tables you'll need |
| [08:30:00] | ** TV_Dunce must be on ignore :( ** | |
| [08:30:00] | fryfrog: | when i rebuilt, i just DIDN'T keep the settings related tables |
| [08:30:00] | mirak: | Agrajag-: yes |
| [08:31:00] | mirak: | fryfrog: yes |
| [08:31:00] | Agrajag-: | mirak: where are you that has all 3? |
| [08:31:00] | TV_Dunce: | but, i can't get sound in tvtime either, just a picture |
| [08:31:00] | mirak: | I have cable, and there is also hertzian numeric |
| [08:31:00] | TV_Dunce: | anyone have aclue ? |
| [08:31:00] | mirak: | and since it's expensive, why not get sattelite ? |
| [08:31:00] | Agrajag-: | TV_Dunce: read the docs |
| [08:32:00] | mirak: | Agrajag-: in france |
| [08:32:00] | mirak: | Agrajag-: in my building there is the three |
| [08:32:00] | Agrajag-: | mirak: well what fryfrog said.. have a whinge to hardware companies |
| [08:32:00] | TV_Dunce: | i've read the docs about a hundred times |
| [08:32:00] | mirak: | a what ? |
| [08:32:00] | Agrajag-: | TV_Dunce: what kind of card is it? |
| [08:32:00] | TV_Dunce: | it's a playtv pro ultra |
| [08:33:00] | TV_Dunce: | pixelview |
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| [08:33:00] | Agrajag-: | ok i have no clue what that is.. does it have an audio out? |
| [08:33:00] | TV_Dunce: | it showed picture earlier, but now only shows in tvtime |
| [08:33:00] | mirak: | Agrajag-: I am aware it's not the same frequencies range, but it would be cool to have all in one. |
| [08:33:00] | TV_Dunce: | yes it does |
| [08:33:00] | TV_Dunce: | have audio out |
| [08:33:00] | mirak: | plus hertzian analog and a video in while we are at it |
| [08:33:00] | Agrajag-: | TV_Dunce: do you have a cable connected from that to line in on your soundcard? |
| [08:34:00] | TV_Dunce: | yes |
| [08:34:00] | Agrajag-: | using alsa? |
| [08:34:00] | TV_Dunce: | i've tried alsa |
| [08:34:00] | TV_Dunce: | and all the other choices |
| [08:34:00] | Agrajag-: | "all" of them? as in OSS? |
| [08:34:00] | TV_Dunce: | i've even connected it directly to the amplifier |
| [08:34:00] | TV_Dunce: | yes |
| [08:34:00] | TV_Dunce: | oss |
| [08:34:00] | TV_Dunce: | art |
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| [08:34:00] | TV_Dunce: | and esd |
| [08:35:00] | TV_Dunce: | i don't think the card is sending audio |
| [08:35:00] | TV_Dunce: | at all |
| [08:35:00] | Agrajag-: | hang on you're comparing apples to trucks |
| [08:35:00] | Agrajag-: | is your sound working at all? can you play music and stuff? |
| [08:35:00] | TV_Dunce: | yes |
| [08:35:00] | TV_Dunce: | it works fine |
| [08:35:00] | Agrajag-: | run alsamixer |
| [08:35:00] | Agrajag-: | make sure capture is set to line in |
| [08:36:00] | Agrajag-: | and mute it |
| [08:36:00] | Agrajag-: | then try with tvtime and see if you have audio |
| [08:36:00] | TV_Dunce: | like i said, i've hooked the output of the tuner card DIRECTLY to an amp |
| [08:36:00] | mchou: | whois Agrajag- |
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| [08:36:00] | TV_Dunce: | so, i don't think there is any output at all |
| [08:36:00] | TV_Dunce: | coming from the tuner card |
| [08:37:00] | TV_Dunce: | but, i will try |
| [08:37:00] | TV_Dunce: | the alsa mixer |
| [08:37:00] | mchou: | Agrajag-: you aussies get to see latest star wars yet? :) |
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| [08:37:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah came out today i think |
| [08:37:00] | Agrajag-: | im not in any hurry to see it :P |
| [08:38:00] | mchou: | Agrajag-: I was hoping you guys can tell me how bad it is :) |
| [08:38:00] | Agrajag-: | haha |
| [08:38:00] | mchou: | so I dont have to get ripped at the theatre :) |
| [08:38:00] | Agrajag-: | i'll tell you what it's like and i dont even have to see it |
| [08:38:00] | Agrajag-: | crap |
| [08:39:00] | mchou: | well, no doubt the first two were utter crap. |
| [08:39:00] | mchou: | I want my refund :) |
| [08:40:00] | TV_Dunce: | in alsamixer, everything is full |
| [08:40:00] | TV_Dunce: | but the 'line in' has no meter showing |
| [08:40:00] | Agrajag-: | well it shouldn't be.. put everything so it's green.. not orange/red |
| [08:40:00] | Agrajag-: | is line in set to 'capture'? |
| [08:41:00] | TV_Dunce: | where do you set that ? |
| [08:41:00] | Agrajag-: | press f4 |
| [08:41:00] | Agrajag-: | wait f5 is more useful |
| [08:41:00] | Agrajag-: | depending on your alsamixer version |
| [08:42:00] | TV_Dunce: | it seems to be on 'capture' |
| [08:42:00] | Agrajag-: | press space when you've got it selected to set it to capture |
| [08:42:00] | TV_Dunce: | es |
| [08:43:00] | Agrajag-: | don't mute it |
| [08:43:00] | TV_Dunce: | it's on capture |
| [08:43:00] | Agrajag-: | and try tvtime |
| [08:43:00] | TV_Dunce: | no sound |
| [08:43:00] | TV_Dunce: | lol |
| [08:43:00] | Agrajag-: | sure you've got the cables right? |
| [08:43:00] | TV_Dunce: | yes |
| [08:43:00] | TV_Dunce: | i do'nt think any audio is coming out of the tuner card |
| [08:43:00] | Agrajag-: | guess it could be a driver problem, i have no idea about that card so i dunno |
| [08:44:00] | TV_Dunce: | i'm using the bttv driver |
| [08:44:00] | TV_Dunce: | it's a conexant chip, with a phillips tuner |
| [08:44:00] | TV_Dunce: | that was a huge pita |
| [08:44:00] | TV_Dunce: | but, i did have myth tv showing a picture today |
| [08:45:00] | TV_Dunce: | dunno why it has stopped |
| [08:45:00] | TV_Dunce: | but, it never did audio at all |
| [08:45:00] | TV_Dunce: | either |
| [08:45:00] | TV_Dunce: | the card does sound in Windows .... |
| [08:45:00] | TV_Dunce: | aaargh |
| [08:46:00] | Agrajag-: | recheck the cables :) |
| [08:46:00] | TV_Dunce: | the cables are correct |
| [08:46:00] | Agrajag-: | famous last words |
| [08:46:00] | TV_Dunce: | it must be something in the driver |
| [08:46:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm |
| [08:47:00] | Agrajag-: | well if it's analogue and you get a picture, i dont see why the sound shouldn't work |
| [08:47:00] | TV_Dunce: | if i hook the output cable directly to an amplifier (from the tv-card) it gets no sound |
| [08:47:00] | TV_Dunce: | but, in windows, it does |
| [08:48:00] | Agrajag-: | you do that when tvtime is open and it's tuned to a channel yeah? |
| [08:48:00] | TV_Dunce: | so, i don't think any audio is even comin out of the card at all |
| [08:48:00] | TV_Dunce: | yes |
| [08:48:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm |
| [08:48:00] | TV_Dunce: | getting a great picture |
| [08:48:00] | TV_Dunce: | before, i could not get any response at all |
| [08:48:00] | TV_Dunce: | so, i'm doing way better |
| [08:48:00] | TV_Dunce: | lol |
| [08:48:00] | Agrajag-: | maybe there's a snd module you need to load for that card? |
| [08:49:00] | TV_Dunce: | hmmm |
| [08:49:00] | TV_Dunce: | dunno about that |
| [08:49:00] | TV_Dunce: | i think that should be in the bttv driver, |
| [08:49:00] | TV_Dunce: | i do know that it does not dectect my card properly |
| [08:50:00] | TV_Dunce: | there are bugs in the driver ..... so i have to force the card detection, AND the address of the tuner module |
| [08:50:00] | TV_Dunce: | so, something is probably wrong in that part |
| [08:51:00] | TV_Dunce: | i just wish i could get a picture in Myth ---- |
| [08:51:00] | TV_Dunce: | it worked for a while, then it just stopped |
| [08:52:00] | Agrajag-: | brb |
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| [09:11:00] | gnarface: | anyone here know much about udev? |
| [09:12:00] | ** TV_Dunce know nuttin' ** | |
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| [09:16:00] | TV_Dunce: | ok |
| [09:16:00] | TV_Dunce: | l8z everone |
| [09:17:00] | TV_Dunce: | it's hard for me to see how this tv stuff works for anybody at all |
| [09:17:00] | TV_Dunce: | seems impossibe |
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| [09:18:00] | Agrajag-: | ... maybe if you have a crappy card |
| [09:22:00] | adante: | so Agrajag-, dyou record 10 at all? |
| [09:23:00] | adante: | i recall you said you only really watched abc/sbs |
| [09:25:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah pretty much |
| [09:25:00] | Agrajag-: | can't remember ever recording 10 |
| [09:26:00] | Agrajag-: | just checked my recordings.. and nup, no channel 10 recordings |
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| [09:37:00] | adante: | alrighty |
| [09:37:00] | adante: | just hoping to build up some solidarity, 10 programming is really annoying me atm |
| [09:38:00] | Agrajag-: | how's that? |
| [09:38:00] | adante: | big brother (which while not being my thing, i still remained fairly impartial to) keeps running overtime (live) and screwing up all the timing |
| [09:38:00] | splAt1 is now known as splat1 | |
| [09:38:00] | adante: | i go to watch my 1 hour of law and order bliss and find i have the last 20 mins of bb and miss the end of l&o |
| [09:39:00] | adante: | or the last simpsons hour, basically ran 40 minutes behind |
| [09:39:00] | Agrajag-: | ahah |
| [09:39:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah im getting really sick of all our stations diong that |
| [09:39:00] | Agrajag-: | it's so annoying |
| [09:40:00] | Agrajag-: | with all my recordings, i now start them 2 minutes early and finish them 20 minutes late |
| [09:40:00] | adante: | haha wow, 20 minutes :] |
| [09:40:00] | johnp_: | dvb or analog ? |
| [09:40:00] | Agrajag-: | dvb |
| [09:40:00] | johnp_: | ah |
| [09:40:00] | adante: | i'm about 5/5, but i might take a page out of your book |
| [09:40:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah. they never start on time – always late |
| [09:40:00] | Agrajag-: | you know why the stations do that? |
| [09:41:00] | johnp_: | wonder if you get reschedule events ? |
| [09:41:00] | Agrajag-: | it's all a ratings sham |
| [09:41:00] | Agrajag-: | nah johnp_ |
| [09:41:00] | Agrajag-: | it's so that you can't flick to another channel right when another show starts |
| [09:41:00] | Agrajag-: | for example with big brother, you can't go watch another program on another channel when it finishes |
| [09:41:00] | johnp_: | where in the world are you ? |
| [09:41:00] | adante: | no kidding, that's dirty |
| [09:41:00] | Agrajag-: | because it's gone overtime |
| [09:41:00] | Agrajag-: | australia |
| [09:42:00] | Agrajag-: | but now every station does it |
| [09:42:00] | Agrajag-: | that's why no one ever uses/used g-code here too |
| [09:43:00] | adante: | how did g-code work anyhoo |
| [09:43:00] | Agrajag-: | adante: so all i can suggest is to do what i do and finish all recordings 20 minutes late |
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| [09:43:00] | Agrajag-: | (every now and then i still miss the end of something, even with an extra 20 minutes though :( ) |
| [09:43:00] | adante: | yeah guess i'll do that |
| [09:44:00] | adante: | wow, i'm surprised you get that on other channels |
| [09:44:00] | Agrajag-: | adante: not sure exactly.. just those numbers were a code for channel/date/start time/finish time |
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| [09:44:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah.. abc/sbs aren't so bad. the commercial ones are the worst |
| [09:44:00] | adante: | i have to admit i haven't had *that* many problems with timing issues until this whole big brother thing |
| [09:44:00] | adante: | yeah, oh well |
| [09:46:00] | adante: | i suppose you get what you pay for eh |
| [09:46:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah.. i wish i could rely on decent programming times |
| [09:47:00] | Agrajag-: | that 'dancing with the stars' show (7 i think) once went about 50 minutes overtime |
| [09:47:00] | adante: | heh |
| [09:47:00] | Agrajag-: | i went to the channel 7 website to check their guide and stuff |
| [09:47:00] | Agrajag-: | they hadn't chagned anything |
| [09:47:00] | adante: | is that another live show? |
| [09:47:00] | Agrajag-: | tried to find a complaint form to fill out |
| [09:47:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah i think it was |
| [09:47:00] | gnarface: | ARGH |
| [09:47:00] | gnarface: | i need help with udev |
| [09:47:00] | gnarface: | :( please? |
| [09:47:00] | adante: | i think the live shows always run over, so very annoying |
| [09:48:00] | Agrajag-: | gnarface: this isn't #udev |
| [09:48:00] | gnarface: | *sigh* |
| [09:48:00] | ** gnarface knows ** | |
| [09:48:00] | ** gnarface slaps self ** | |
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| [09:48:00] | adante: | haha, no offense but a little naive to think they'd listen, even if you did find a form |
| [09:48:00] | Agrajag-: | shouldn't the "very knowledgable" people in #gentoo be able to hel pyou out? |
| [09:48:00] | elgoog: | Hi all. |
| [09:48:00] | Agrajag-: | lol you know those crappy as american shampoo ads we get here |
| [09:49:00] | Agrajag-: | american accent voiceover |
| [09:49:00] | Agrajag-: | worst commercials ever |
| [09:49:00] | Agrajag-: | for stuff like pantene or whatever |
| [09:49:00] | adante: | can't say i do (thankfully) |
| [09:49:00] | elgoog: | Anyone here help me with debugging a database issue? |
| [09:49:00] | Agrajag-: | after seeing on once, i went to the pantene website and filled out a complaint form telling them how bad their ads were and how all my friends hate them and we'd never use their shampoos again |
| [09:49:00] | Agrajag-: | didn't think i'd hear from them again |
| [09:49:00] | Agrajag-: | but i got a couple of replies, heh |
| [09:50:00] | Agrajag-: | elgoog: what's the problem? |
| [09:50:00] | adante: | haha wow |
| [09:50:00] | Bob-Laptop: | I am in America and I think the pantine commercials are bad |
| [09:50:00] | Agrajag-: | good :) |
| [09:50:00] | Agrajag-: | i was afraid maybe americans liked those ads :P |
| [09:50:00] | elgoog: | Two tuners in the one box, one analogue, t'other digital. When I go to live TV, the analogue tuner defaults to it's start channel. When I change tuner inputs, DVB card can't tune. |
| [09:51:00] | elgoog: | I traced it down to the cardinput table |
| [09:51:00] | Bob-Laptop: | Agrajag-: trust me they do get worse |
| [09:51:00] | Agrajag-: | set a default channel for the dvb card? |
| [09:51:00] | elgoog: | I have |
| [09:51:00] | elgoog: | using both mythtv-setup and directly via mysql |
| [09:51:00] | Agrajag-: | ok.. i have 2 dvb cards and one analogue and i dont have any problems.. so what's the problem with cardinput? |
| [09:51:00] | elgoog: | After I try using the DVB card, the startchan field for the second card is always cleared |
| [09:52:00] | elgoog: | ie looks like something in the code is clearing the field for the second card... |
| [09:52:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm it shouldn't clear it |
| [09:52:00] | Agrajag-: | it should set it to whatever channel you were watching |
| [09:53:00] | elgoog: | Trouble is, until I manage to tune to a channel, it keeps 'reverting' the value in the startchan field to empty. |
| [09:53:00] | Agrajag-: | strange |
| [09:53:00] | elgoog: | I hacked the code to hard-tune to a known good dvb channel and things work (somewhat) and the field is populated correctly. But when I remove my hack, it's back to clearing the field again. |
| [09:54:00] | Agrajag-: | i just tried changing cards and changing channels, then i quit livetv, and the startchan field had changed to the last channel i had watched on both cards |
| [09:54:00] | Agrajag-: | what myth version are you using? |
| [09:55:00] | Agrajag-: | elgoog: do you get the same problem if you start with the dvb card, change channels, then exit live tv? |
| [09:55:00] | elgoog: | CVS from last night |
| [09:55:00] | elgoog: | I'll try that – all I have to do is change the DVB card to preferred input, right? |
| [09:55:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah i think so |
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| [10:05:00] | elgoog: | Agrajag: more info – I can't get the DVB tuner to be the primary input for live tv watching – any other settings you can think of? |
| [10:07:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm i dunno |
| [10:07:00] | Agrajag-: | it's weird that your startchan gets written with nothing |
| [10:07:00] | Agrajag-: | your channels are setup properly yeah? |
| [10:07:00] | Agrajag-: | (im still using 0.18.. so i guess it could be a problem with cvs, dunno) |
| [10:08:00] | elgoog: | I'm pretty sure it's all setup – as I said, if I hack the source it seems to save the channel correctly. |
| [10:10:00] | Agrajag-: | strange.. i have a similar setup to you, except my analogue card doesn't share any channels with my dvb cards (i just use it for recording from a vcr) |
| [10:11:00] | Agrajag-: | and when i go to live tv my analogue card is the default input too |
| [10:11:00] | elgoog: | I have made sure my digital channels have different numbers, just to make sure it isn't getting confused that way |
| [10:11:00] | elgoog: | My default input is the analogue card as well |
| [10:16:00] | elgoog: | Any debug commands I can use to watch the db traffic/queries? |
| [10:17:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm not sure |
| [10:18:00] | johnp_: | Dumb question : When you set the starting inputs, did you stop the backend ? |
| [10:19:00] | elgoog: | no, but I've restarted it since with the new settings. |
| [10:19:00] | johnp_: | yeah don't think that works. |
| [10:19:00] | johnp_: | the BE will overwrite the settings on exit |
| [10:19:00] | johnp_: | (I think) |
| [10:20:00] | elgoog: | yes, I noticed it doesn't update its state based on (external) changes to the tables |
| [10:22:00] | elgoog: | OK, looks like the code I'm interested in is TVRec::StoreInputChannels... |
| [10:38:00] | mirak: | there is also TV on dsl here |
| [10:38:00] | mirak: | dvb S C T |
| [10:38:00] | mirak: | plus adsl |
| [10:38:00] | mirak: | damn |
| [10:39:00] | elgoog: | OK, I think I may be making some progress... looks like my channels table could be fubar... |
| [10:39:00] | mirak: | I have noticed some problems with the recording panels |
| [10:40:00] | mirak: | when I go into suppress records, it says me I have none |
| [10:40:00] | gnarface: | mwahahhaha. they actually helped me fix my problem in #gentoo, and it only took an hour |
| [10:40:00] | mirak: | the interface is also unintuitive at possible |
| [10:40:00] | mirak: | :-/ |
| [10:41:00] | mirak: | it would be nice also to have different shift speed |
| [10:41:00] | mirak: | not just one for forward or rewind |
| [10:41:00] | mirak: | :) |
| [10:42:00] | elgoog: | Seems like myth don't like multiple channels with the same name... |
| [10:42:00] | mirak: | should there be optical video output from cable and sattelite devices one day ? |
| [10:43:00] | mirak: | it would be nice to be able to record directly the numeric stream |
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| [10:45:00] | gnarface: | mirak: you're not thinking big enough. you should be able to watch the optical analog transmission directly with only a lighting amplification |
| [10:46:00] | fryfrog: | mirak: optical DIGITAL or an optical picture? |
| [10:48:00] | fryfrog: | i HATE #gentoo |
| [10:49:00] | fryfrog: | only cause there are like 100s of people talking at once |
| [10:49:00] | fryfrog: | i can't follow it for more than about 60 seconds :o |
| [10:49:00] | elgoog: | Yep... multiple channels with the same name _really_ confuses mythtv-setup. |
| [10:59:00] | gnarface: | fryfrog: my impression of #gentoo was much the same. auto-name-highlighting is my savior. |
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| [11:02:00] | fryfrog: | hehe |
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| [11:26:00] | gnarface: | hey. it seems as though i somehow recieved a pvr 350 remote with the second pvr 250 i bought |
| [11:28:00] | fryfrog: | is that good or bad? |
| [11:30:00] | gnarface: | i get more buttons. it doesn't seem to be a problem though. |
| [11:30:00] | gnarface: | so i guess that's a good thing. |
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| [11:32:00] | fryfrog: | cool |
| [11:32:00] | fryfrog: | what new buttons are on it? |
| [11:33:00] | gnarface: | aside from a wierder shape and some re-arrangements |
| [11:33:00] | gnarface: | i see... |
| [11:33:00] | gnarface: | tv, videos, music, picutures, guide, radio |
| [11:33:00] | gnarface: | prev.ch |
| [11:33:00] | fryfrog: | ohhh, neat! |
| [11:33:00] | fryfrog: | that is a lot of extra buttons |
| [11:34:00] | gnarface: | seperate volume and channel buttons |
| [11:34:00] | fryfrog: | lucky dog :p |
| [11:34:00] | gnarface: | hehe. i wish. |
| [11:34:00] | gnarface: | its for a client |
| [11:34:00] | gnarface: | maybe i should just switch the two... |
| [11:34:00] | fryfrog: | bummer :( |
| [11:34:00] | fryfrog: | yeah! |
| [11:34:00] | fryfrog: | totally :) |
| [11:34:00] | gnarface: | lol. |
| [11:35:00] | fryfrog: | i would :) |
| [11:35:00] | gnarface: | its highly tempting. the extra buttons would just confuse them anyway |
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| [11:36:00] | fryfrog: | you are doin em a favor then :) |
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| [11:41:00] | gnarface: | :-D |
| [11:41:00] | gnarface: | so now that that whole hassle is fixed |
| [11:41:00] | gnarface: | i just gotta sync the input. |
| [11:41:00] | gnarface: | anyone in here ever used a usb-uirt? |
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| [11:43:00] | Ray-Ven: | Greetings from germany |
| [11:44:00] | Ray-Ven: | I have a "no sound" Prob in mythtv i can't solve – someone can help? |
| [11:44:00] | gnarface: | no sound from permissions errors? |
| [11:45:00] | gnarface: | and do you have sound in anything else? |
| [11:45:00] | Agrajag-: | Ray-Ven: have you read the docs? |
| [11:45:00] | Ray-Ven: | thx ar first :-) yes got sound – wit tvtime fx to |
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| [11:47:00] | Ray-Ven: | yes I did but didn't understand everything – i guess |
| [11:48:00] | Agrajag-: | ok.. what sort of card are you using? |
| [11:48:00] | Agrajag-: | do you have a cable from audio out of the card to line in of your sound card? |
| [11:48:00] | Ray-Ven: | Terratec cinergy 400 with saa7134 (v4l) |
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| [11:50:00] | Agrajag-: | you need to set the line in input to record (and mute it) |
| [11:50:00] | Agrajag-: | err s/record/capture |
| [11:50:00] | Ray-Ven: | that's what I did :-) |
| [11:50:00] | Agrajag-: | well if you get sound in tvtime (when it's unmuted) then it really should work with myth if you're sure you've set line in to capture |
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| [11:51:00] | johnp_: | BTW what's your capture card ? |
| [11:52:00] | Agrajag-: | mine? or his? he already said what his was |
| [11:52:00] | Ray-Ven: | I only got this cinergy card – and no other – I'm only trying to watch tv with it – nothing else – it's plugged to my stereo |
| [11:53:00] | johnp_: | (oops) |
| [11:53:00] | Ray-Ven: | maybe I should mention that I use RPMs?! |
| [11:54:00] | Ray-Ven: | but the video it self works perfect – so I think the rpms are okay |
| [11:55:00] | gnarface: | Ray-Ven: tvtime likes to change the line-in volume on you on exit and start. make sure that your problem isn't just that tvtime is muting/setting to 0 your line-in when you exit it |
| [11:58:00] | Ray-Ven: | well – seems to be allright – I'm using Kamix (alsa) to adjust |
| [11:59:00] | Ray-Ven: | Capturesource is line in – and activated |
| [11:59:00] | Agrajag-: | volume up? |
| [11:59:00] | Ray-Ven: | sure :-) |
| [12:00:00] | Ray-Ven: | oh – I think mythtv is using OSS |
| [12:01:00] | Ray-Ven: | but anyway – If i use oss with KDETV it works too |
| [12:03:00] | Agrajag-: | well make sure you're pointing it to the correct device |
| [12:04:00] | Ray-Ven: | you mean /dev/dsp? |
| [12:05:00] | Agrajag-: | yep |
| [12:05:00] | Ray-Ven: | should be the right one – got 2 soundcards – 1st is dsp and dsp0 and dsp1 – tried them all – without success |
| [12:06:00] | Ray-Ven: | configured /dev/dsp in mythtv-setup and mythfrontend to dsp |
| [12:07:00] | Ray-Ven: | using /dev/mixer and Linein |
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| [12:08:00] | Ray-Ven: | I just want mythtv to turn on the lineout of the Tv-Card – because I'm adjusting volume with my stereo |
| [12:08:00] | Agrajag-: | if you're using alsa you might as well use that |
| [12:08:00] | Agrajag-: | which i dont think will solve your problem but you should anyway |
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| [12:08:00] | Ray-Ven: | hmm – I want to use Alsa – but dunno how to change |
| [12:09:00] | Ray-Ven: | xawtv4 brings picture – but no audio too |
| [12:10:00] | Agrajag-: | probably because you've muted line in now |
| [12:10:00] | Agrajag-: | put ALSA:default as your device (i think that's it) |
| [12:10:00] | Agrajag-: | and just default as your mixer |
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| [12:10:00] | Ray-Ven: | one sec |
| [12:14:00] | Ray-Ven: | in frontend? says: error opening device alsa:default file or folder not found |
| [12:14:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm maybe that's not it.. can't remember |
| [12:18:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah that's it |
| [12:18:00] | Agrajag-: | ALSA:default |
| [12:18:00] | Agrajag-: | works for me |
| [12:18:00] | Agrajag-: | with mixer set to just 'default' |
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| [12:32:00] | gnarface: | hmm. ok this is a semi-unique issue i guess |
| [12:32:00] | gnarface: | has anyone gotten 2 lirc devices to work at once? |
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| [12:32:00] | Agrajag-: | yes |
| [12:33:00] | gnarface: | my hauppage remote works fine for input, but i still need to transmit over a usb-uirt to control the directv box |
| [12:33:00] | gnarface: | you've done such a thing before? |
| [12:33:00] | Agrajag-: | nope |
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| [12:33:00] | gnarface: | oh. |
| [12:33:00] | Agrajag-: | im just saying someone probably has |
| [12:33:00] | Agrajag-: | which is what you asked |
| [12:33:00] | gnarface: | i'm having trouble finding any documentation that even mentions usb-uirt |
| [12:33:00] | gnarface: | heh. gee, thanks. that's totally unhelpful. |
| [12:33:00] | gnarface: | :-p |
| [12:33:00] | Agrajag-: | hehe :P |
| [12:33:00] | gnarface: | ah well, it was worth asking. |
| [12:34:00] | Agrajag-: | possibly try the mailing list |
| [12:34:00] | Agrajag-: | (search it first) |
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| [12:34:00] | Ray-Ven: | to badhmm |
| [12:35:00] | Ray-Ven: | i can't change the devices in myth-setup – only to /dev/dsp0,1,2,3# |
| [12:35:00] | Ray-Ven: | and mixer to /dev/mixer |
| [12:35:00] | smoke_: | anyone here using ivtv? |
| [12:35:00] | Agrajag-: | yep |
| [12:36:00] | Agrajag-: | Ray-Ven: use the keyboard to just type ALSA:default |
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| [12:36:00] | Ray-Ven: | ah – it's case sensitive :-/ |
| [12:36:00] | Agrajag-: | yep |
| [12:37:00] | Ray-Ven: | well – brought no error – but still no sound – one sec – checking alsamix |
| [12:37:00] | duckeo: | with 0.18 do you still have to explicitly state you want DVB support? |
| [12:37:00] | Agrajag-: | duckeo: ./configure --help |
| [12:37:00] | Agrajag-: | Ray-Ven: yeah i didn't think it would fix your no sound problem.. but worth doing anyway |
| [12:37:00] | Ray-Ven: | :-D |
| [12:38:00] | smoke_: | how can i tell what model im using with lspci? |
| [12:39:00] | Agrajag-: | well call me an asshat but i would run lspci and read what it says |
| [12:39:00] | smoke_: | grr |
| [12:39:00] | smoke_: | soemthing is wrong with my damn xterm :/ |
| [12:39:00] | smoke_: | one sec. |
| [12:39:00] | duckeo: | Agrajag-: what I did is ./configure --dvb-path=/usr/src/linux/include/linux/dvb --enable-dvb --enable-dvb-eit |
| [12:40:00] | smoke_: | ivtvc16 cx23416 |
| [12:40:00] | duckeo: | and after the configure command it still said DVB support: No |
| [12:40:00] | smoke_: | itvc16 cx23416 |
| [12:40:00] | duckeo: | under 'input' |
| [12:40:00] | smoke_: | is that pvr150 or 250? |
| [12:40:00] | smoke_: | im pretty sure i have pvr250... |
| [12:40:00] | smoke_: | but my damn ivtv driver is saying somethign about its initializing it as 150 ... so i dunno wtf is going on |
| [12:41:00] | Agrajag-: | duckeo: reread the --help |
| [12:41:00] | Agrajag-: | take special note of the --dvb-path=HDRLOC option |
| [12:41:00] | Agrajag-: | smoke_: no idea i dont use ivtv |
| [12:41:00] | duckeo: | ah |
| [12:41:00] | duckeo: | not the whole path |
| [12:42:00] | Agrajag-: | *ding* |
| [12:42:00] | duckeo: | it should still support a symlinked directory right? |
| [12:42:00] | Agrajag-: | i dont see why not |
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| [12:43:00] | Ray-Ven: | don't i have to configure myth-setup to alsa to? |
| [12:44:00] | Agrajag-: | no, it's frontend specific |
| [12:44:00] | Ray-Ven: | :'( |
| [12:44:00] | duckeo: | should I do lirc before I try to compile mythtv/ |
| [12:45:00] | Ray-Ven: | Computer: Sound on :-D |
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| [12:45:00] | Ray-Ven: | could it be max. audio...rate : 32000? |
| [12:46:00] | Agrajag-: | i dont know |
| [12:48:00] | Ray-Ven: | lol – startet tvtime next to the mythfrontend – got sound now |
| [12:48:00] | Ray-Ven: | :-D |
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| [12:55:00] | Ray-Ve1: | wow – I think my card didn't like that |
| [12:55:00] | Ray-Ve1: | system crash |
| [12:56:00] | Ray-Ve1: | well – sound only when starting another tv program next to mythtv – looks like a mixer problem doesn't it? |
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| [12:57:00] | Agrajag-: | yep |
| [12:57:00] | mirak: | gnarface: big enough would be having an ethernet adapter, not just an optical output |
| [12:57:00] | mirak: | gnarface: but well any of them would be nice |
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| [12:58:00] | mirak: | fryfrog: optical digital ... :) |
| [12:59:00] | mirak: | there is an optical output for sound I guess on my terminal but it's not enabled. I don't know how if it can be used for video also |
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| [13:08:00] | Ray-Ve1: | Ahrajag and others: thanks for support :-) i'll be back in a few hours |
| [13:08:00] | Ray-Ve1: | -h +g |
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| [13:38:00] | mirak: | anyone here have a pvr150 ? |
| [13:39:00] | mirak: | wintv |
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| [14:45:00] | wasabi: | Where does the DVD device sit? Frontend or backend? |
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| [14:49:00] | mirak: | back |
| [14:50:00] | wasabi: | Well that's no good. |
| [14:50:00] | wasabi: | I suspose nbd is usable? |
| [14:51:00] | wasabi: | You see, the idea is to have a clean small looking set top box... but I don't want to walk to the closet to put in a dvd! |
| [14:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | mirak: Uhh no |
| [14:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's sits on whatever machine is actually playing the dvd |
| [14:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | so whereever the frontends are |
| [14:52:00] | wasabi: | the front end plays the dvd? |
| [14:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yes |
| [14:52:00] | wasabi: | so what makes hte backend the backend? |
| [14:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's not streamed from the backend |
| [14:53:00] | wasabi: | Just the capture cards? |
| [14:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | pretty much |
| [14:53:00] | wasabi: | Hmm. That's interesting. |
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| [14:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | the "backend" software handles scheduling of recordings and the actuall recordings themselves |
| [14:53:00] | wasabi: | One wire to the frontend. |
| [14:53:00] | wasabi: | Or wifi. |
| [14:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | the frontend is basically display/playback, most recording related stuff is done by the backend. |
| [14:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | Most people just run both on one box |
| [14:56:00] | wasabi: | yeah |
| [14:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | all depends on your setup |
| [14:56:00] | wasabi: | http://www.hushtest.de/cgi-bin/hushshop/shop/ . . . ;site=005001 |
| [14:56:00] | wasabi: | ^ that will be my set top box |
| [14:56:00] | wasabi: | Going to be removing the HD and replacing it either with a USB drive inside or some IDE flash thing, or network boot. |
| [14:56:00] | wasabi: | The only moving part left will be the cd drive |
| [14:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | looks pretty |
| [14:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | If it's a frontend then you could easily netboot, I do that on my frontends |
| [14:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | Only HD's are in the backend |
| [14:57:00] | wasabi: | Yeah. |
| [14:58:00] | wasabi: | It sounds like a very slick setup. |
| [14:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | Those hush pc's are pretty |
| [14:59:00] | wasabi: | yes they are. |
| [14:59:00] | wasabi: | I'm curious how myth's browsing video interface looks |
| [15:00:00] | wasabi: | or browsing music, etc. |
| [15:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | there is a case I want but I wont spend the $800 US on it heh |
| [15:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | have you looked here ? http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythFeatures |
| [15:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | of course different themes will have a different look to them, but the overall structure is similar |
| [15:01:00] | wasabi: | Ahh there's the music frontend |
| [15:01:00] | wasabi: | Ahhh awesome |
| [15:01:00] | wasabi: | How are the thumbnails looked up? |
| [15:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't know. I don't really use mythmusic |
| [15:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | my GF does |
| [15:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I really rarely touch it |
| [15:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | I know that the mythvideo stuff pulls movie posters from imdb and stores them on your box, but I'm not sure with mythmusic |
| [15:05:00] | wasabi: | so if I hit dvd rip... |
| [15:05:00] | wasabi: | does it rip it to the backend? |
| [15:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't use that either :) but I would imagine it would get written to whatever filesystem the frontend is configured to use. be it a HD on the frontend or a network share from the backend |
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| [15:16:00] | ** GreyFoxx kicks of a compile of X and taps his fingers ** | |
| [15:17:00] | jams: | hehehe bet your fingers get tired before that's done |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh, this will be one of many compiles of it, so I'll just have to work on something else while it's doing it's thing :) |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | at least this first one is the worst, all subsequent ones should be fairly quick |
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| [15:51:00] | FaithX: | Anyone know much about the ATI Theatre 500Pro ? |
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| [16:16:00] | flithm: | I'm just curious of the status of myth-games. Is it still being worked on? I can't get it to do anything but segfault |
| [16:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think Mythgames is the bastard child that rarely gets any love |
| [16:24:00] | flithm: | it's too bad. I suppose I could quit my whining and try to do something about iyt |
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| [16:27:00] | Ashlar: | there are other xmame frontends, too.. you could just launch one of those |
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| [16:27:00] | flithm: | yeah I'm looking into that now. |
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| [16:41:00] | maddhaggis: | AAAggggHHHH!!!! Help ME! |
| [16:41:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [16:41:00] | maddhaggis: | My DVB drivers will not load |
| [16:41:00] | Beirdo: | haggis is all the help you need |
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| [16:41:00] | maddhaggis: | They have worked fine for 2 weeks now |
| [16:41:00] | Beirdo: | maybe try #dvb |
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| [16:43:00] | maddhaggis: | modprobe cx88_dvb says; FATAL: Module btcx_riscalias not found. |
| [16:43:00] | beavis: | GeckoFiend: how can i start mythuitest? it tells me Could not find theme: |
| [16:43:00] | GeckoFiend: | beavis I thought it was hardcoded to GANT |
| [16:44:00] | beavis: | GeckoFiend: where does it look for the theme files? |
| [16:45:00] | GeckoFiend: | should be the same place as the frontend... it's been a while since I looked |
| [16:45:00] | beavis: | Hunk #1 FAILED at 37. |
| [16:45:00] | beavis: | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED — saving rejects to file main.cpp.rej |
| [16:46:00] | beavis: | hmm |
| [16:47:00] | Beirdo: | maddhaggis: there is a whole channel simply for supporting the DVB drivers in Linux. Why ask here? |
| [16:47:00] | beavis: | does mythuitest need mfe/mfd to run? |
| [16:48:00] | maddhaggis: | I am also in #dvb and I asked the same question; so far no response. |
| [16:48:00] | beavis: | maddhaggis: do you use the code from linuxtv? |
| [16:49:00] | maddhaggis: | no I used the 2.0 dvb driver from pchdtv.com |
| [16:49:00] | ** CyberKnet watches maddhaggis build up for receiving the boot ** | |
| [16:50:00] | maddhaggis: | ??? |
| [16:50:00] | CyberKnet: | ??? |
| [16:50:00] | beavis: | OMG, this new Myth-GUI looks really good! |
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| [16:50:00] | CyberKnet: | beavis: which new myth gui? |
| [16:51:00] | beavis: | the mythui gui |
| [16:51:00] | beavis: | ;) |
| [16:51:00] | GeckoFiend: | beavis heh just wait |
| [16:51:00] | beavis: | it can*t get better! |
| [16:52:00] | CyberKnet: | I need to get a better video card for my myth box before trying the opengl ui. |
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| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | sure it can get better |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | it can be spiffy without OpenGL :) |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:52:00] | GeckoFiend: | I was at Isaacs last weekend with the president of Technovera... We had their first theme up an running on his projector whne he said "you know we could make that LED do a slow pulse" |
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| [16:53:00] | Beirdo: | let's not burn valuable CPU making it Windows XP-like :) many people use their PVRs for video transcoding which requires CPU :) |
| [16:54:00] | Beirdo: | (just my opinion of course) |
| [16:54:00] | Beirdo: | and won't someone remember the Xbox :) |
| [16:54:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:54:00] | ** Beirdo needs to kill this damn cold before it kills HIM ** | |
| [16:54:00] | GeckoFiend: | Beirdo heh that's why the new ui leverages opengl for all the sexiness |
| [16:54:00] | johnp_: | I haven't even looked at the new stuff in ages, I'll have to give it a shot tonight. How much pain will be involved converting widgets etc ? |
| [16:55:00] | Beirdo: | OpenGL + XV = shite |
| [16:55:00] | Beirdo: | half the cards on the market can't do both with overlay |
| [16:55:00] | Beirdo: | just something to remember |
| [16:55:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:55:00] | Beirdo: | although, if we used OpenGL for the resizing, etc, too, that wouldn't be an issue |
| [16:56:00] | Beirdo: | might be too slow though |
| [16:56:00] | GeckoFiend: | Beirdo the only cards that matter are nVidia and the ones on the mini boards |
| [16:56:00] | GeckoFiend: | hell I'd like to have render to texture as an ouput method |
| [16:56:00] | Beirdo: | not at all true |
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| [16:56:00] | Beirdo: | ATI makes better GPUs than nVidia and has at least half the gaming market at any time |
| [16:57:00] | GeckoFiend: | yeah and they suck ass under linux |
| [16:57:00] | opello: | if only they could write drivers |
| [16:57:00] | Beirdo: | GeckoFiend: that's no excuse for specifically designing stuff so it can't work with them |
| [16:58:00] | Beirdo: | I have had almost 0 issues with my ATI cards |
| [16:59:00] | Beirdo: | but I'm sure when I get my HDTV cards, I'll be buying nVidia anyways :) |
| [16:59:00] | Beirdo: | something with working component out, preferrably |
| [16:59:00] | GeckoFiend: | I didn't say anythign about desiging stuff to it can't work. There's always the fall back to the Qt rendering for the new UI code, but if really. if they're gonna turn out shitty linux drivers then how is that our problem? |
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| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | true, but the drivers really aren't much worse than nVidias |
| [17:00:00] | GeckoFiend: | oh? |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | they are finicky to set up, but they do work quite well |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | they aren't for newbies, that's for sure |
| [17:00:00] | GeckoFiend: | opengl sync, XvMC and tv out all work out of the box |
| [17:01:00] | Beirdo: | for someone who doesn't have the patience to fight it, nVidia is a better choice for sure |
| [17:01:00] | Beirdo: | XvMC is nVidia-only, really |
| [17:01:00] | Beirdo: | but yeah |
| [17:01:00] | Beirdo: | I've considered putting a FX5200 or so in there |
| [17:01:00] | Beirdo: | but I can't be bothered to rip it apart :) |
| [17:02:00] | Beirdo: | we'll see later on :) |
| [17:02:00] | Beirdo: | but the Radeons > 8500 with the ATI drivers are quite functional for most people |
| [17:03:00] | Beirdo: | I am getting pissed at the 40% CPU for X though |
| [17:03:00] | beavis: | did anyone test the new lm_sensors patch? |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp . . . amp;class=mb |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | I'm kinda considering that as my next PVR mobo |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | probably won't use the onboard video though |
| [17:06:00] | Beirdo: | need microATX, want AMD64 in socket 939 |
| [17:06:00] | Beirdo: | that's the only one I've found locally so far |
| [17:06:00] | tcube: | Berido, I recently tried Ati x700 and nvidia 5750, as far as playback. nvidia performs better than ATI, but has flickering problem |
| [17:06:00] | Beirdo: | the x700 should be usable though |
| [17:07:00] | Beirdo: | better than what's in my PVR now (9600 Pro) which works great |
| [17:07:00] | tcube: | it has higher CPU usage , around 80% while nvidia at 40% |
| [17:07:00] | tcube: | HD is different beast |
| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | that will be the deciding factor right there for me |
| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | at 720x480, the 9600 Pro is at 40% CPU for X |
| [17:08:00] | tcube: | I am running at 1280x720 resolution |
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| [17:09:00] | Beirdo: | what CPU are you running on? |
| [17:10:00] | tcube: | Intel 3.8G |
| [17:10:00] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [17:10:00] | Beirdo: | just so I have a feel for the number of bogomips you are discussing :) |
| [17:10:00] | tcube: | :) |
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| [17:11:00] | Beirdo: | I'm on a Sempron 2800 right now. that thing heats the room nicely |
| [17:11:00] | Beirdo: | which is why I want AMD64 in there |
| [17:12:00] | Beirdo: | but that would mean a total rebuild |
| [17:12:00] | tcube: | AMD is a lot better |
| [17:12:00] | CyberKnet: | Does anyone have a website or ML thread that discusses the current state of the mythui opengl frontend? I'd like to catch up on it, it's been a while since I looked into it. |
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| [17:13:00] | Beirdo: | now which cards have component out? |
| [17:13:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: video cards! |
| [17:13:00] | Beirdo: | WHICH ones, numbnuts? |
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| [17:13:00] | CyberKnet: | I'm pretty sure that NumbNuts brand Video Card does not have component out. |
| [17:13:00] | Beirdo: | see a pile with dual DVI |
| [17:14:00] | CyberKnet: | I've seen cards that have DVI and a DVI->Component out converter with them. |
| [17:14:00] | CyberKnet: | I think it was the mac mini though. |
| [17:14:00] | Beirdo: | Hmmm |
| [17:14:00] | CyberKnet: | or an ATI card. |
| [17:14:00] | CyberKnet: | *shrug* |
| [17:14:00] | CyberKnet: | I dunno. |
| [17:14:00] | Beirdo: | ATI has that |
| [17:14:00] | CyberKnet: | I just like talking. |
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| [17:14:00] | CyberKnet: | It's very therapeutic. |
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| [17:15:00] | CyberKnet: | I can talk and talk and talk all day, and it makes me feel better. |
| [17:15:00] | tcube: | haha |
| [17:15:00] | CyberKnet: | talk talk talk |
| [17:15:00] | CyberKnet: | jabber jabber jabber |
| [17:15:00] | CyberKnet: | and stuff liek that, you know? |
| [17:15:00] | Beirdo: | blah blah blah |
| [17:16:00] | Beirdo: | you know what's therapeutic? |
| [17:16:00] | CyberKnet: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125176 |
| [17:16:00] | CyberKnet: | a foot in the ass? |
| [17:16:00] | Beirdo: | taking a baseball bat to CyberKnet's car |
| [17:16:00] | CyberKnet: | or a trout in the face |
| [17:16:00] | CyberKnet: | aaah, that too. |
| [17:16:00] | CyberKnet: | that *is* therapeutic. |
| [17:17:00] | CyberKnet: | or a tree branch falling on my (broken) SUV roof. |
| [17:17:00] | CyberKnet: | helped that tree a lot |
| [17:17:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:17:00] | CyberKnet: | till I ring barked it's ass |
| [17:17:00] | CyberKnet: | see if it drops another branch on my car NOW |
| [17:17:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:17:00] | Beirdo: | it will just fall OVER onto it |
| [17:17:00] | Beirdo: | CRUNCH! |
| [17:17:00] | CyberKnet: | it's too scared to even mvoe |
| [17:17:00] | CyberKnet: | trust me. |
| [17:18:00] | CyberKnet: | it wouldn't squeak a fart out let alone fall. |
| [17:18:00] | CyberKnet: | did you check out that card? |
| [17:18:00] | CyberKnet: | overkill for a myth box, but it's nvidia with HDTV out |
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| [17:19:00] | Beirdo: | that would work well |
| [17:19:00] | Beirdo: | that's in the range of what I'd be looking for |
| [17:19:00] | CyberKnet: | and really, a hundred bucks aint that bad for a decent video card |
| [17:19:00] | CyberKnet: | and it's pci-express |
| [17:19:00] | CyberKnet: | what more could you want |
| [17:19:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, which would require the new AMD64 board :) |
| [17:19:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:19:00] | CyberKnet: | even better. justify spending =) |
| [17:20:00] | CyberKnet: | I can supply that card delivered for USD$130 |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | the problem with going AMD64 is that I'd have to reinstall |
| [17:20:00] | CyberKnet: | no big deal |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | so bye bye FC1 :) |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | yes it is |
| [17:20:00] | CyberKnet: | well... |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | I'd have to totally gut the box, rebuild |
| [17:20:00] | CyberKnet: | there are benefits to running full 64bittedness |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | then install... |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | which means buying a new drive too |
| [17:21:00] | CyberKnet: | such as being able to help rewrite certain asm that is borked =) |
| [17:21:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: I am always here for your castoffs. remember that =) |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:21:00] | CyberKnet: | But only because I am your friend. |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:21:00] | CyberKnet: | I wouldn't do it for anyone else. |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | you know that I'll be buying locally anyways |
| [17:21:00] | CyberKnet: | second hand hardware. You never know where it'd be. |
| [17:22:00] | CyberKnet: | or where it has been. |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | I just hope that ATI chipset doesn't suck as a motherboard chipset |
| [17:22:00] | CyberKnet: | I've heard that it does. |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | what I really want is nForce3 or nForce4 in microATX |
| [17:22:00] | CyberKnet: | but I've also heard that it doesnt |
| [17:22:00] | CyberKnet: | nforice4 for sure. |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | nForce3 is fine |
| [17:22:00] | CyberKnet: | I've had great luck with my norifice4 |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | I have 2*nForce3, 1*nForce4, 1*nForce2 |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:23:00] | CyberKnet: | yeah, you've got a hardware raid card, and a pre-existing firewall. nforce4 has nothing to offer you |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | I have no hardware raid installed |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | yet |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | I WANT one |
| [17:24:00] | CyberKnet: | oh. you are using software raid right now? |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | LVM |
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| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | my mail/news/whatever server does mirroring |
| [17:24:00] | CyberKnet: | have you considered the foxconn board? |
| [17:25:00] | CyberKnet: | there are two foxconn micro-atx with pcie and 939 |
| [17:25:00] | CyberKnet: | both are nforce4 |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | I've considered a 3ware 9500S-4LP or 3ware 9500S-8 :) |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | I don't know that I can get foxconn locally |
| [17:26:00] | CyberKnet: | has one pcie x 1, 1 pcie x 16 and two pci |
| [17:26:00] | CyberKnet: | ddr400 |
| [17:26:00] | CyberKnet: | 4 sata |
| [17:26:00] | CyberKnet: | 2 pata |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | not good enough |
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| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | I need 3 PCI |
| [17:26:00] | CyberKnet: | hmm |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | until I have PVR500 |
| [17:27:00] | CyberKnet: | are you looking at the MSI board right now? |
| [17:27:00] | CyberKnet: | or the ECS |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, the MSI |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | I don't really care for MSI though |
| [17:27:00] | CyberKnet: | me either, personally. |
| [17:28:00] | CyberKnet: | those four are the only ones I know of |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | I might consider socket 754 |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | but I'd rather go to 939 |
| [17:28:00] | tcube: | I use MSI 925x board has a big problem to me ( can see the 2nd channle pata drive) |
| [17:28:00] | CyberKnet: | How do you feel about ECS? |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | I've had good luck with them in the past |
| [17:28:00] | CyberKnet: | RS480-M V1.0 |
| [17:29:00] | CyberKnet: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135191 |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | but I don't know if they are stocked around here anymore |
| [17:29:00] | CyberKnet: | of course, I only send the newegg link so you can see the specs |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | I can easily get gigabyte boards though :) |
| [17:29:00] | FITH: | Go 939, then you can run the Dual core chips if you want (when the come down in price, etc) |
| [17:29:00] | FITH: | :) |
| [17:30:00] | CyberKnet: | and once again I will be ready to accept your castoff cpu |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, the ECS or the MSI currently |
| [17:31:00] | CyberKnet: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136152 |
| [17:31:00] | CyberKnet: | now there's a smoking hot deal |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | won't fit in the Aria |
| [17:31:00] | CyberKnet: | SLI 939 DFI lanparty motherboard for $130 |
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| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | and I don't want SLI |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:31:00] | Ray-Ven: | back again – greetings |
| [17:32:00] | CyberKnet: | anyone seen any dual head compatible kvms? |
| [17:32:00] | CyberKnet: | just our of curiosity |
| [17:32:00] | Ray-Ven: | has anyone time for my mythtv no sound problem? |
| [17:33:00] | Beirdo: | it will be sweet to have component into the TV :) |
| [17:34:00] | CyberKnet: | how long can component cords be? |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | not sure |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | mine would be 6ft |
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| [17:34:00] | Esotericisms: | hey everyone ... |
| [17:34:00] | Ray-Ven: | hello :-) |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | of course, I could just build a new PVR not in the Aria. |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | buy a SilverStone LC10 or something |
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| [17:37:00] | Esotericisms: | |
| [17:38:00] | ** Beirdo points Esotericisms at google ** | |
| [17:38:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [17:38:00] | Beirdo: | it should work fine |
| [17:38:00] | Beirdo: | kinda a bit low-end, but should work fine |
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| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc10.htm |
| [17:40:00] | Beirdo: | whaddya think, CyberKnet? |
| [17:40:00] | Esotericisms: | which card do you suggest Beirdo for a decent quality output to a TV? |
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| [17:41:00] | Beirdo: | FX5200 or so, I think is the normally suggested baseline |
| [17:41:00] | Esotericisms: | price for a FX5200 is about what? |
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| [17:41:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
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| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | ewww. Western? :) |
| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [17:42:00] | kormoc: | has anyone used the plextor pxtv cards with myth? |
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| [17:43:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah those are way to expensive for me Beirdo, I have to go with something cheap at the moment ... |
| [17:43:00] | Beirdo: | MX4000 should do |
| [17:43:00] | Beirdo: | until you do HDTV, then it might be not powerful enough |
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| [17:44:00] | xml-blog: | hi all. running ubuntu hoary trying to install ivtv as described here: http://www.cs.rit.edu/~css8044/?q=ivtv# but ran into compile errors. can someone help? TIA |
| [17:46:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah ... well when I can afford an HDTV tv, then I will have enough money to buy a $150+ card to handle the output to it :) |
| [17:46:00] | Esotericisms: | alright bbiab ... store time |
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| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | time for me to go train people |
| [17:47:00] | Esotericisms: | hey Beirdo, |
| [17:48:00] | Esotericisms: | eVGA or PNY for the manufacturer? |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | I'm outta here for a while, have fun |
| [17:48:00] | kormoc: | PNY imho |
| [17:48:00] | kormoc: | I once owned a eVGA card, was fuzzier then my dog |
| [17:48:00] | ** kormoc waves to Beirdo ** | |
| [17:48:00] | Esotericisms: | sounds good to me |
| [17:48:00] | Esotericisms: | that is all I needed to hear ... you ever have a PNY? |
| [17:49:00] | kormoc: | no, but I've known friends with pny and it's looked good |
| [17:49:00] | kormoc: | I tend to use gainward |
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| [17:51:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [17:51:00] | Esotericisms: | thanks |
| [17:51:00] | CyberKnet: | PNY is teh best. |
| [17:51:00] | Esotericisms: | bbiab |
| [17:51:00] | CyberKnet: | I had one |
| [17:51:00] | Esotericisms: | going to go spend more money |
| [17:51:00] | CyberKnet: | I lamented its fan death |
| [17:51:00] | reel: | Esotericisms: PNY is good |
| [17:52:00] | CyberKnet: | PNY is high quality |
| [17:52:00] | CyberKnet: | sharper than a razor |
| [17:52:00] | CyberKnet: | top quality components make a top quality card |
| [17:52:00] | Esotericisms: | thanks guyes |
| [17:52:00] | reel: | and a lifetime warranty |
| [17:52:00] | Esotericisms: | guys* |
| [17:52:00] | Esotericisms: | I will let you know how things turn out |
| [17:52:00] | CyberKnet: | it (PNY FX5200 ultra) ran faster and was sharper than the one I replaced it with (BFGTech FX5600 Ultra) |
| [17:53:00] | CyberKnet: | I would purchase PNY again in a heartbeat |
| [17:53:00] | CyberKnet: | and I will never purchase BFGTech again |
| [17:53:00] | CyberKnet: | had an eVGA too. it was middle of the line. |
| [17:53:00] | CyberKnet: | not fantastic, not bad. |
| [17:53:00] | CyberKnet: | (GeForce 2 MX400) |
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| [18:01:00] | mirak: | hi |
| [18:01:00] | mirak: | is it possible to read the mpeg4 stream with a player ? |
| [18:01:00] | mirak: | I mean the mpeg4 recordings from mythtv |
| [18:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | define "a player" |
| [18:02:00] | mirak: | a media player |
| [18:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | Are you talking about hardware or another piece of software |
| [18:03:00] | mirak: | like mplayer* |
| [18:03:00] | mirak: | gxine |
| [18:03:00] | mirak: | vlc |
| [18:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [18:03:00] | mirak: | whatever |
| [18:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think you have to patch mplayer since myth uses a slightly customized version of nupplevideo |
| [18:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I've never actually tried |
| [18:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | You can easily enough run nuv2avi to convert them to avi's which mplayer et all should play without a problem |
| [18:05:00] | mirak: | a 10G file ... |
| [18:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | If you want something smaller, you will have to transcode it to a lower bitrate :) |
| [18:06:00] | mirak: | it's not in apt |
| [18:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | 10Gigs is pretty large for a show |
| [18:06:00] | mirak: | I don't want something smaller |
| [18:06:00] | mirak: | it's a basketball game |
| [18:06:00] | akira: | In myth-video, i can't stop, pause, rewind, etc, but the remote works fine with everything else, does anybody know why? |
| [18:06:00] | mirak: | 3h30 |
| [18:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
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| [18:06:00] | mirak: | is there a key to switch to windowed playing ? |
| [18:06:00] | mirak: | is there a way to jump at some position ? |
| [18:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | akira: You likely have to configure whatever software mythvideo is calling to understrand the remote |
| [18:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | mirak: You have to configure it in the setup/appearance menus, I don't think there is a keycombo to do it |
| [18:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | as for jump you can bookmark a position to come back to, or jump by a configured amount (down arrow is 10 minute jump by default) |
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| [18:11:00] | mirak: | this suck |
| [18:11:00] | mirak: | and also you can't configure while playing |
| [18:11:00] | mirak: | and it resets the place where the playing is |
| [18:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | mirak: You can save a bookmark so that when you go back in it will take you back to the same place |
| [18:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | Press enter while a video is playing and it should say "Position saved" , and then when you come back to the show it will jump back to that spot |
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| [18:14:00] | mirak: | it should be automatic |
| [18:14:00] | mirak: | automatic bookmark on exit |
| [18:14:00] | rtsai1111: | these only work if your mythvideo player is "Internal" and not xine or mplayer or anything like that |
| [18:15:00] | mirak: | rtsai1111: how to use xine ? |
| [18:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | mirak: Most people do not want that or it would be |
| [18:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | But you can certainly add an option to myth to set it to automatic |
| [18:15:00] | rtsai1111: | i think there is a myth option for automatic bookmark on exit |
| [18:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | rtsai1111: Cool |
| [18:16:00] | rtsai1111: | (only for internal myth player, but I don't know if it also applies to mythvideo "internal" stuff) |
| [18:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | It likely does |
| [18:16:00] | rtsai1111: | i agree, but I'm c.y.a. |
| [18:16:00] | rtsai1111: | err, c.m.a. |
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| [18:20:00] | mirak: | why mythtv doesn't record in avi ? |
| [18:21:00] | kormoc: | why the sky blue? |
| [18:21:00] | mirak: | it seems obvious that one might want to use a real video player to see the video |
| [18:21:00] | kormoc: | that's why there's nuvexport |
| [18:21:00] | mirak: | don't feel offended |
| [18:22:00] | kormoc: | I don't feel offended :P |
| [18:22:00] | kormoc: | and most 'real' videoplayers play .nuvs fine (mplayer and xine, least in my experences) |
| [18:22:00] | mirak: | for me they don't |
| [18:22:00] | mirak: | vlc doesn't |
| [18:22:00] | mirak: | gxine either |
| [18:22:00] | mirak: | mplayer not |
| [18:23:00] | rtsai1111: | do you have all the codecs installed? |
| [18:23:00] | mirak: | seems not |
| [18:23:00] | mirak: | I am searching nuv something |
| [18:23:00] | mirak: | in apt but I don't find |
| [18:23:00] | mirak: | what is the package name ? |
| [18:23:00] | rtsai1111: | look for the mplayer homepage; they will have a link to "all_codecs2005xxxxx.tar.gz" or something |
| [18:23:00] | rtsai1111: | I don't know of any packages |
| [18:24:00] | rtsai1111: | you just untar the tarball somewhere like /usr/local/lib/codecs or something (the web page has directions) |
| [18:24:00] | kormoc: | https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/ |
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| [18:25:00] | rtsai1111: | I don't know the default paths used by mplayer/xine to search for codecs. Why do you want to use xine/mplayer anyway? Why not just use mythtv? Areyou trying to copy to give to someone else? |
| [18:25:00] | xml-blog: | hi, i've read the FAQ for this channel, googled my errors, combed through mailing lists, studied the Makefile and experimented and can't seem to build ivtv driver. Any experienced folks that can lend a hand? |
| [18:25:00] | rtsai1111: | don't have ivtv, sorry |
| [18:26:00] | CyberKnet: | DVI->VGA converters that come with video cards... does anyone know if it is the adapter doing the conversion of if the adapter merely changes an output mode on the video card somehow? |
| [18:26:00] | xml-blog: | rtsai1111, thanks anyway |
| [18:27:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, no conversion is done |
| [18:27:00] | kormoc: | there are two parts on a dvi |
| [18:27:00] | kormoc: | dvi-d which is digital |
| [18:27:00] | kormoc: | and a analog dvi |
| [18:27:00] | kormoc: | the dvi to vga adapter just converts the analog dvi out to vga |
| [18:27:00] | CyberKnet: | aha |
| [18:28:00] | CyberKnet: | looking at a KVM that is dvi. I dont have a dvi display yet, but both my video cards are DVI out with the VGA adapter |
| [18:28:00] | CyberKnet: | wondering if that kvm botches the dvi analog signal |
| [18:28:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [18:28:00] | kormoc: | the vga to dvi only 'converts' it to the analog dvi, which is why dvi-d only monitors can't use them. |
| [18:29:00] | kormoc: | hehe, might be, kvms are nutty |
| [18:29:00] | CyberKnet: | Yes, they are. |
| [18:29:00] | CyberKnet: | Thanks for that information kormoc. that was extremely helpful =) |
| [18:29:00] | kormoc: | You're quite welcome :) |
| [18:29:00] | CyberKnet: | now to email the manufacturer and ask if their kvm botches the dvi-a signal or not |
| [18:29:00] | CyberKnet: | I wonder if the sales drones would even know. |
| [18:29:00] | CyberKnet: | or tell the truth even if they did know |
| [18:30:00] | CyberKnet: | http://www.linkskey.com/kvm/ldv-202ausk.htm |
| [18:30:00] | CyberKnet: | USB for the kb/mouse, DVI for the video |
| [18:30:00] | CyberKnet: | what more could a guy want |
| [18:30:00] | j-rod|afk is now known as j-rod | |
| [18:30:00] | kormoc: | actually, looking at the end of that cable... |
| [18:31:00] | kormoc: | http://www.mycableshop.com/techarticles/DVI.htm |
| [18:31:00] | ** j-rod owns an eVGA card now, and it KICKS ASS ** | |
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| [18:31:00] | ** CyberKnet hits ctrl-t ** | |
| [18:31:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, that kvm is dvi-d only |
| [18:31:00] | CyberKnet: | rats =) |
| [18:31:00] | j-rod: | my eVGA GF 6600GT (PCI-Express) card feeds dual 19" CRTs right now |
| [18:32:00] | kormoc: | well, wait a second... |
| [18:32:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: you have the neatest pieces of kit =) |
| [18:32:00] | ** kormoc scratches his head ** | |
| [18:32:00] | kormoc: | 1 x DVI-I Single Link |
| [18:32:00] | kormoc: | that's the right one |
| [18:32:00] | j-rod: | <--- computer JUNKIE |
| [18:32:00] | kormoc: | but the picture shows dvi-d cables... |
| [18:33:00] | CyberKnet: | <--- computer JUNKIE with wife who doesn't appreciate computer junk =) |
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| [18:33:00] | CyberKnet: | DVI-I is analog + digital? |
| [18:33:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [18:33:00] | kormoc: | the first link I sent shows the difference between the two |
| [18:33:00] | CyberKnet: | that is very odd |
| [18:33:00] | CyberKnet: | I loaded that link up, btw =) |
| [18:34:00] | kormoc: | c1 c2 c3 c4 on the second picture is the analog connections |
| [18:34:00] | CyberKnet: | the cables in the picture are very obviously DVI-D |
| [18:34:00] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [18:34:00] | kormoc: | yeah, hence why I said it was dvi-d, but then in the specs... |
| [18:34:00] | CyberKnet: | in theoriy I should be able to stick an adapter on the end of them and have it work, but according to the picture, I couldn't |
| [18:35:00] | CyberKnet: | I wonder if it is a shot of a pre-release model, or someoen at that company doesn't know the difference between DVI-I and DVI-D |
| [18:35:00] | CyberKnet: | or they just want to make sales |
| [18:35:00] | CyberKnet: | eventually I want dual 19" 8ms panels |
| [18:35:00] | CyberKnet: | I love my 21" flat screen CRT though. |
| [18:35:00] | CyberKnet: | beautiful Nokia 445PRO |
| [18:36:00] | CyberKnet: | very sharp |
| [18:36:00] | j-rod: | Dual DVI-connected 19" Dell FP1901's at work |
| [18:36:00] | CyberKnet: | If I had desk space for it I'd have two of those |
| [18:36:00] | j-rod: | dual Dell P991 19" Trinitron CRTs at home |
| [18:36:00] | CyberKnet: | which are the better panel? |
| [18:36:00] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [18:36:00] | j-rod: | s/FP1901/1901FP/ |
| [18:37:00] | j-rod: | the 1901FPs, definitely |
| [18:37:00] | j-rod: | (if you're asking me) |
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| [18:37:00] | CyberKnet: | woah. that kvm is $169. I hadn't realized it was that expensive =) |
| [18:37:00] | CyberKnet: | Yeah, I was asking you =) |
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| [18:38:00] | kormoc: | I just got a 1905fp, nice nice monitor |
| [18:38:00] | CyberKnet: | usb and dvi are niche markets right now so far as kvms are concerned |
| [18:38:00] | j-rod: | despite the P991s being of identical vintage, it takes a ton of work to get the colors to actually match |
| [18:38:00] | j-rod: | perfect match between the 1901FPs |
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| [18:38:00] | j-rod: | plus LCDs are just so much sleeker |
| [18:38:00] | j-rod: | whoa, did half the internet just fall apart? |
| [18:38:00] | ** kormoc agrees ** | |
| [18:39:00] | kormoc: | yeaj |
| [18:39:00] | CyberKnet: | Very nervous about LCD still. I play a few FPS games =) |
| [18:39:00] | j-rod: | ah |
| [18:39:00] | j-rod: | me, notsomuch anymore, just don't have the time |
| [18:39:00] | kormoc: | my 1905fp is a 20ms, and it's good enough for me :) |
| [18:39:00] | j-rod: | used to be a hard-core RtCW junkie |
| [18:39:00] | CyberKnet: | still a huge fan of Quake3 Arena =) |
| [18:39:00] | CyberKnet: | love RtCW |
| [18:39:00] | CyberKnet: | <-- panzer whore |
| [18:39:00] | ** j-rod was usually a medic ** | |
| [18:39:00] | j-rod: | heh |
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| [18:40:00] | CyberKnet: | and in Q3A I was a rail whore. see a trend here? =) |
| [18:40:00] | CyberKnet: | s/was/am/ |
| [18:40:00] | j-rod: | rooks usually greatly underestimated the importance of the medic... |
| [18:40:00] | j-rod: | :) |
| [18:40:00] | CyberKnet: | usually. |
| [18:40:00] | j-rod: | I'm partial to sniper rifles |
| [18:40:00] | CyberKnet: | go up against a team of all engineers and it's pretty much a given who will win |
| [18:40:00] | CyberKnet: | or even engineer/soldier combo team |
| [18:41:00] | CyberKnet: | no medics == a LOT harder |
| [18:41:00] | j-rod: | no doubt |
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| [18:41:00] | CyberKnet: | I couldn't decide which FPS I like better out of Halo2 and Q3A |
| [18:42:00] | CyberKnet: | Halo2 has that great online experience... but Q3A is perfect just against the bots |
| [18:42:00] | j-rod: | I still need to finish Halo 2... |
| [18:42:00] | j-rod: | haven't had time to play for a few weeks though |
| [18:42:00] | CyberKnet: | I usually dont advocate microsoft products, but xbox live + halo2 is a wonder |
| [18:42:00] | j-rod: | mos def |
| [18:42:00] | CyberKnet: | gt knet81 |
| [18:43:00] | CyberKnet: | gamer tag, even |
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| [18:47:00] | EricAnderson: | Is there some sort of hack that I can do to get the program guide font bigger... selecting 'big' doesnt help the situation... its still near impossible to read |
| [18:50:00] | GeckoFiend: | EricAnderson what theme are you using? |
| [18:50:00] | GeckoFiend: | and are you running at 100dpi? |
| [18:50:00] | EricAnderson: | uhm |
| [18:50:00] | EricAnderson: | the grey one |
| [18:51:00] | EricAnderson: | and I dont know what dpi I am at, I am using a fairly basic X |
| [18:51:00] | EricAnderson: | I normally only use Linux for servers... dont fuck with X much |
| [18:51:00] | Esotericisms: | all right .. got my video card ... time to hook it all up and set up the drivers |
| [18:52:00] | EricAnderson: | GeckoFiend: How do I change the dpi? |
| [18:53:00] | j-rod: | check the list archive, its been covered several times, including just recently |
| [18:53:00] | GeckoFiend: | EricAnderson try xdpyinfo | grep inch |
| [18:54:00] | EricAnderson: | Yup, Im 75dpi |
| [18:54:00] | Esotericisms: | hey j-rod, how do I get the nvidia drivers working for my new card that has s-video out? |
| [18:54:00] | GeckoFiend: | then that's why your fonts are too small |
| [18:54:00] | j-rod: | that's all covered in my doc |
| [18:54:00] | j-rod: | (nvidia driver setup) |
| [18:55:00] | EricAnderson: | URL? |
| [18:55:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [18:56:00] | CyberKnet: | google for Jarod's guide |
| [18:56:00] | CyberKnet: | this man is famous ==) |
| [18:56:00] | EricAnderson: | Esotericisms: Its dead straight forward... Ive never configured X so easily |
| [18:56:00] | Esotericisms: | j-rod, I am going to switch back to AXEL's kernel I think |
| [18:56:00] | j-rod: | that or the latest from RH is fine |
| [18:56:00] | Esotericisms: | yyeah I know |
| [18:56:00] | EricAnderson: | so whats the xorg.conf line to use 100dpi |
| [18:56:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [18:57:00] | Esotericisms: | I love nvidia |
| [18:57:00] | Esotericisms: | no more piece of shit ATI cards |
| [18:58:00] | rtsai1111: | EricAnderson: use DisplaySize |
| [18:58:00] | EricAnderson: | rtsai1111: Thank you :) Appreciate it |
| [18:58:00] | rtsai1111: | meausure your TV's dimensions in millimeters |
| [18:58:00] | EricAnderson: | Esotericisms: Seriously |
| [18:58:00] | j-rod: | http://gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/ . . . ySize;#97671 |
| [18:58:00] | Esotericisms: | EricAnderson. serousily what? |
| [18:59:00] | ** rtsai1111 's gossamer-threads-fu is not as good as j-rod's ** | |
| [18:59:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm ... my display doesn't take up the entire screen on my tv... |
| [18:59:00] | j-rod: | http://gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/ . . . Size;#125565 |
| [18:59:00] | EricAnderson: | Esotericisms: I put a nVidia in my myth box that I built this week... X has never been easier |
| [19:00:00] | j-rod: | g-t-fu... heh... |
| [19:00:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah |
| [19:00:00] | Esotericisms: | it just worked for me ... I am not even using the nvidia drivers yet |
| [19:01:00] | EricAnderson: | Now to find a measuring tape |
| [19:02:00] | EricAnderson: | LOL, go figure, MIA |
| [19:02:00] | rtsai1111: | is anyone using ALSA and SPDIF optical output to a receiver? |
| [19:02:00] | CyberKnet: | not I |
| [19:02:00] | CyberKnet: | RCA to an RF Modulater / combiner |
| [19:03:00] | CyberKnet: | mythtv throughout the house |
| [19:03:00] | j-rod: | coax digital here |
| [19:03:00] | CyberKnet: | if only I could modulate it in digital =) |
| [19:03:00] | CyberKnet: | I love the one pc->all tv aspect of my setup |
| [19:03:00] | CyberKnet: | but the composite is kind of a drag quality wise |
| [19:04:00] | rtsai1111: | maybe that's good enough for my question. Is digital output something that either works or it doesn't? I have my MythTV using optical output to my receiver. Does that mean I have AC3 digital sound and stuff all working properly, or is it possible that analog signals are going over that cable? |
| [19:04:00] | CyberKnet: | mind you, I dont have any better inputs on my crap tv, so... =) |
| [19:04:00] | Esotericisms: | Star Wars rocked last night btw!!!!!!!! |
| [19:04:00] | CyberKnet: | Esotericisms: I dont want to know =) |
| [19:04:00] | ** rtsai1111 plugs ears with fingers ** | |
| [19:04:00] | Esotericisms: | I won't say anything ... |
| [19:04:00] | Esotericisms: | it just fucking rocked thats all I am going to say |
| [19:04:00] | rtsai1111: | la la la la la la la i can't hear you |
| [19:05:00] | Esotericisms: | beside you could guess what happens , if you are a true fan that is |
| [19:05:00] | ** Esotericisms shuts up now ** | |
| [19:05:00] | CyberKnet: | Esotericisms: heh. |
| [19:07:00] | Esotericisms: | :) |
| [19:08:00] | Esotericisms: | all right ... my s-video out display doesn't take up the entire screen of my tv ... and thoughts? |
| [19:08:00] | CyberKnet: | egads. BluRay dvds hit 100GB ... but a consumer model of any version is still yet to be seen |
| [19:09:00] | rtsai1111: | underscan |
| [19:09:00] | j-rod: | nvidia-settings |
| [19:09:00] | j-rod: | adjust overscan slider |
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| [19:09:00] | j-rod: | also covered in my doc. :) |
| [19:09:00] | rtsai1111: | X.org has some kind of "Overscan" option for nvidia, too, I thin |
| [19:09:00] | rtsai1111: | k |
| [19:10:00] | rtsai1111: | j-rod, which have you done more on IRC: provide help, or point people to your doc? |
| [19:11:00] | CyberKnet: | gah. business units cant make up their mind |
| [19:11:00] | CyberKnet: | "We want the program to do X. But under no circumstances let the program do X. |
| [19:11:00] | CyberKnet: | in the same breath! |
| [19:11:00] | stoffel: | hehe |
| [19:11:00] | j-rod: | heh |
| [19:12:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm .. I lost my s-video out ... |
| [19:12:00] | j-rod: | provided more help, actually, I think |
| [19:12:00] | Esotericisms: | I added the options from your guide j-rod for the "Device" |
| [19:13:00] | Esotericisms: | crap ... lost s-video out ... hrm ... |
| [19:13:00] | j-rod: | which options? |
| [19:13:00] | Esotericisms: | I lost it only for XORG .. not for the terminals |
| [19:14:00] | Esotericisms: | Option "TVStandard" "NTSC-M" |
| [19:14:00] | Esotericisms: | Option "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO" |
| [19:14:00] | j-rod: | and you're in the US, hooking to the TV via Svid? |
| [19:15:00] | Esotericisms: | yes |
| [19:15:00] | CyberKnet: | probably need an X log in pastebin for this. |
| [19:15:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [19:15:00] | Esotericisms: | just sec |
| [19:15:00] | CyberKnet: | well, wait to see if j-rod needs it first =) |
| [19:15:00] | CyberKnet: | <-- lowly peon |
| [19:15:00] | Esotericisms: | I will get my config ... and my log ready just in case |
| [19:16:00] | Esotericisms: | xorg.conf -> http://pastebin.ca/12171 |
| [19:17:00] | Esotericisms: | xorg.log -> http://pastebin.ca/12172 |
| [19:18:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm .. even with those options disabled I have lost my s-video .. restarting ... |
| [19:19:00] | j-rod: | hm, log says X thinks you have a CRT as the primary device... |
| [19:19:00] | j-rod: | any switchbox in the mix? |
| [19:19:00] | j-rod: | and any CRT hooked up? |
| [19:19:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah ... |
| [19:20:00] | Esotericisms: | I should probably unhook it npw |
| [19:20:00] | Esotericisms: | now |
| [19:20:00] | Esotericisms: | CRT is gone |
| [19:20:00] | Esotericisms: | hey on load it is back to my tv. ... |
| [19:20:00] | Esotericisms: | alright |
| [19:20:00] | j-rod: | you should also set HorizSync to 30.0 – 50.0 and VertRefresh to 60.0 |
| [19:21:00] | Esotericisms: | ok ... I will ... just sec |
| [19:21:00] | Esotericisms: | for 'Section "Monitor"' right? |
| [19:22:00] | Esotericisms: | I thought PAL was 60 on the vert ... |
| [19:22:00] | Esotericisms: | and NTSC was 50 |
| [19:23:00] | j-rod: | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/xorg.conf-SVid.txt |
| [19:23:00] | Esotericisms: | alright cool ... |
| [19:23:00] | Esotericisms: | ok ... couple things for you real quick |
| [19:23:00] | IPmonger: | when one installs a mythtv system, where does it end up storing the frequency settings for the different channles? in the mysql database? |
| [19:24:00] | Esotericisms: | my display is tilted just a little bit ... and doesn't take up the entire screen (almost does though) |
| [19:24:00] | Esotericisms: | anything I can do to fix that? |
| [19:24:00] | j-rod: | run nvidia-settings |
| [19:24:00] | j-rod: | dunno about the tilt, but you can adjust overscan in there |
| [19:25:00] | Esotericisms: | ok ... |
| [19:25:00] | Esotericisms: | things are kinda a little blurry it seams ... |
| [19:25:00] | Esotericisms: | possibly the overscan I guess |
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| [19:26:00] | Esotericisms: | j-rod, what overscan level should it be? |
| [19:27:00] | Esotericisms: | oh ... i see never mind |
| [19:27:00] | rtsai1111: | ipmonger: yes, pretty much everything is in the mysql database, except for the mysql username/password itself :) |
| [19:27:00] | IPmonger: | thanks |
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| [19:28:00] | Esotericisms: | it almost hurts my eyes to look at the screen ... wonder what it is .... |
| [19:28:00] | j-rod: | probably the effects of an interlaced display |
| [19:28:00] | j-rod: | there's another slider that can smooth that out a bit |
| [19:29:00] | j-rod: | (in nvidia-settings) |
| [19:29:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah I do have a flat screen tube tv (not plasma or anything |
| [19:29:00] | j-rod: | can't for the life of me remember which one though |
| [19:29:00] | Esotericisms: | ok ... what is your max of your display size on your tv? |
| [19:29:00] | j-rod: | ah, the flicker filter |
| [19:30:00] | j-rod: | bump that up |
| [19:30:00] | j-rod: | huh? |
| [19:30:00] | Esotericisms: | 800 ... 1024? |
| [19:30:00] | j-rod: | I'm running at 1024 |
| [19:30:00] | Esotericisms: | things still seem a little blured (text that is) |
| [19:30:00] | j-rod: | yup, not much that can be done about that |
| [19:31:00] | j-rod: | the tv out is actually converting the signal to roughly 720x480 |
| [19:32:00] | j-rod: | so lots of info gets tossed out to squeeze everything into a resolution an NTSC TV set understands |
| [19:32:00] | j-rod: | you'll be fine in Myth though |
| [19:32:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [19:32:00] | Esotericisms: | ok sounds good to me ... |
| [19:32:00] | j-rod: | definitely don't want to use a TV for desktop work. :) |
| [19:32:00] | Esotericisms: | just wish there wasn't this "tilt" and a right edge bow |
| [19:32:00] | Esotericisms: | that is true |
| [19:33:00] | Esotericisms: | unless you are using an HDTV with a DVI port |
| [19:33:00] | j-rod: | (though a pregressive-scan HDTV is actually pretty useable) |
| [19:33:00] | kormoc: | would it be better to set the x res to 720x480? |
| [19:33:00] | Esotericisms: | probably for desktop mode .. |
| [19:33:00] | j-rod: | as long as its 720p, things are similar at 1080i (interlace jitter effects) |
| [19:34:00] | j-rod: | I like a higher res for the desktop for when I have to drop to it to do anything |
| [19:34:00] | Esotericisms: | damn ... I really wish I could get rid of this tile on screen |
| [19:34:00] | j-rod: | in theory, you might be slightly better off setting X to 720x480 when watching video, since there's less coversion going on |
| [19:34:00] | j-rod: | but it doesn't make much difference visually to me |
| [19:35:00] | j-rod: | so I stick with the higher res so the desktop is at least somewhat useable |
| [19:35:00] | j-rod: | though most of the time I just shell in from my laptop anymore... |
| [19:35:00] | Esotericisms: | damnit ... my audio is gone :( |
| [19:35:00] | Esotericisms: | now I have to try and fix that |
| [19:36:00] | Esotericisms: | ahh!!!! ... I have a blue line around my picture ... well top and left |
| [19:38:00] | Beirdo: | yay, training done |
| [19:38:00] | Esotericisms: | j-rod, I have a blue line |
| [19:39:00] | xml-blog: | can anyone give me some pointers on overcoming the build errors with ITV I've exhausted google and the list archives and tried all the obvious stuff like checking paths and such. I get a bunch of errors and warnings from the ivtv build. |
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| [19:42:00] | j-rod: | bbiab, gotta run downstairs and kick a box... |
| [19:42:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [19:42:00] | Esotericisms: | I will be waiting for your words of wisdeom |
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| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | anyone in here have silverstone cases? |
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| [19:48:00] | Esotericisms: | no but you should check out the mini-itx cases they are sweet |
| [19:48:00] | Esotericisms: | that is what I am going to make my frontend machines out of |
| [19:48:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Not I |
| [19:48:00] | xnor_: | How do i compile ivtvctl ? |
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| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | I don't want mini-itx. yuk |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | I want standard motherboards, microATX is bad enough |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc10.htm |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:49:00] | Esotericisms: | what?! ... thye are awesome |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [19:49:00] | xnor_: | How do i compile ivtvctl.c so i can use the ivtvctl ? |
| [19:50:00] | CyberKnet: | my only problem with silverstone cases is the price. But they are very very attractive |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | sexy even |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | and that one comes with no PS |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | :( |
| [19:50:00] | CyberKnet: | I wouldn't replace my wife with one |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | $210 with no PS |
| [19:50:00] | CyberKnet: | but yes, they are attractive |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | I'm curious as to how loud they are |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | if I replace the Aria with that... |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | I can use a STANDARD ATX mobo |
| [19:50:00] | CyberKnet: | I'd rather buy a case with no PS than pay for a case that included a cheap PS and be adding extra for that POS PS |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | Antec sells good PS in them |
| [19:51:00] | CyberKnet: | true that |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | the Aria and Sonata both |
| [19:51:00] | CyberKnet: | very happy with the PS that came with my sonata |
| [19:51:00] | CyberKnet: | I really want another sonata |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:51:00] | CyberKnet: | $$$ though |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | I have 4 now |
| [19:51:00] | CyberKnet: | hopefully might be getting a new software contract soon though |
| [19:51:00] | CyberKnet: | which would mean mega $$$ when it paid |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | all my mid-towers are being replaced |
| [19:52:00] | CyberKnet: | writing a point of sale for a multi-store local small business. Very fun stuff. |
| [19:52:00] | Beirdo: | the one thing that makes me leery about the silverstone is the small fans |
| [19:53:00] | CyberKnet: | Yes |
| [19:53:00] | CyberKnet: | that would make me edgy too |
| [19:53:00] | CyberKnet: | those could end up being very loud |
| [19:53:00] | xnor_: | Can some helpful soul tell me how to get ivtvctl running? |
| [19:53:00] | CyberKnet: | xnor_: likely someone in #ivtv-dev could |
| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | going from the second quietest case out to a loud one... ick |
| [19:53:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: just get another sonata then |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | double-ick |
| [19:54:00] | CyberKnet: | The sonata looks nice enough |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | it does |
| [19:54:00] | kormoc: | lianli! |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | but it's not the right profile :) |
| [19:54:00] | Esotericisms: | if the commercials are flagged can I just push a button on my remote to skip it ? |
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| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | and the LC10 is standard AV-equipment sized |
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| [19:55:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: I've never seen the "right" profile in a computer case that will sit with hifi equip. |
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| [19:55:00] | ** CyberKnet has no standard AV-equipment =P" ** | |
| [19:55:00] | CyberKnet: | I would want something with no front mounted anything. |
| [19:56:00] | CyberKnet: | maybe a front mounted power button, but would prefer it side mounted |
| [19:56:00] | CyberKnet: | *maybe* a slot loading optical drive |
| [19:56:00] | CyberKnet: | since you cant see that it is commodity pc hardware |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: the LC10 is precisely the width, etc of standard AV equipment |
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| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | anyone actually use the HDTV-out from a 6600 on Linux? |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | oh no |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | PVR500 for $189CDN. locally |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | I'm doomed |
| [20:26:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: where? |
| [20:26:00] | Beirdo: | $184 for 500 MCE |
| [20:26:00] | Beirdo: | damn |
| [20:26:00] | epoch: | also, what's the 500 all about? |
| [20:26:00] | Beirdo: | Canada Computers |
| [20:26:00] | epoch: | heh, those guys rule |
| [20:26:00] | Beirdo: | it's a dual-tuner on one card |
| [20:26:00] | epoch: | ahh |
| [20:26:00] | epoch: | dual-encoder too? |
| [20:26:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | of course |
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| [20:27:00] | epoch: | you never know ;) |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | it's basically 2 * PVR150 |
| [20:27:00] | epoch: | 150? |
| [20:27:00] | epoch: | what's teh 150? |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | and identifies as such |
| [20:27:00] | epoch: | I've been out of the loop since there was just a 250 and 350 ;P |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | the 150 is the new 250 |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | basically |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | different design |
| [20:27:00] | epoch: | ah |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | but meant to be a replacement |
| [20:27:00] | epoch: | better/worse? |
| [20:28:00] | Beirdo: | cheaper |
| [20:28:00] | epoch: | in terms of linux support, that is... |
| [20:28:00] | Beirdo: | and supposedly better quality eventually |
| [20:28:00] | Beirdo: | although the drivers are still in progress |
| [20:28:00] | epoch: | ah |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | I think it's to the point of being usable now though |
| [20:29:00] | epoch: | so it's best to stick with the 250/350 then eh |
| [20:29:00] | braniff: | does 150 have tv-out ? |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | especially if you already have them |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | braniff: no |
| [20:29:00] | epoch: | heh, indeed |
| [20:29:00] | ** braniff is in the market for new hardware ** | |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | search the web or something. it's a replacement for the 250, not the 350 |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | currently no replacement for the 350 |
| [20:30:00] | epoch: | hey, have you heard of any decent HD-capable capture cards? |
| [20:30:00] | Bob-Laptop: | epoch: I have 150s they are working for me but others have had trouble |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | read the FAQ wiki, epoch |
| [20:30:00] | Bob-Laptop: | epoch: I think i just got lucky |
| [20:30:00] | epoch: | ah |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [20:30:00] | epoch: | damnit Beirdo |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | Bob-Laptop got lucky |
| [20:30:00] | epoch: | you're my faq ;P |
| [20:30:00] | epoch: | heh |
| [20:31:00] | braniff: | does the 150 play with nvidia mx440 ? |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | the PVR500MCE is cheaper than I paid for my 250s |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | that's just not fair |
| [20:31:00] | Bob-Laptop: | braniff: I don't know the MX440 |
| [20:32:00] | braniff: | i want all my hardware to be a nice, happy family |
| [20:32:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: how's the MCE different than the other one? |
| [20:32:00] | Bob-Laptop: | braniff: I have a MX4000 PCI card with one and it works fine on FedoraCore3 |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | dunno, you'd have to read up |
| [20:33:00] | epoch: | supported in linux too? |
| [20:33:00] | braniff: | hmm...mx4000 |
| [20:33:00] | Bob-Laptop: | braniff: I have several machines sharing the work of my myth setup |
| [20:34:00] | braniff: | how's that? |
| [20:35:00] | Bob-Laptop: | braniff: A master and couple slave backends, a machine that does both backend and frontend work and 2 more frontends |
| [20:36:00] | braniff: | interesting setup |
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| [20:36:00] | Bob-Laptop: | braniff: I am using all retired 733Mhz P3 mini desktops |
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| [20:37:00] | braniff: | people come in here all the time with like 4 or 5 frontends...i guess some people need lots of tvs heh |
| [20:38:00] | Bob-Laptop: | braniff: I have one in the living room, one at my desk and one in my daughter's room |
| [20:38:00] | braniff: | oh ok |
| [20:39:00] | Bob-Laptop: | braniff: if it would work on 802.11b y wife would have one in the kitchen |
| [20:39:00] | braniff: | i had a wireless g frontend for a while before the backend crashed — it worked fairly well |
| [20:40:00] | Beirdo: | and don't forget the porn station in the teenaged son's room |
| [20:40:00] | braniff: | lol |
| [20:40:00] | laga: | heh. |
| [20:40:00] | laga: | he knows what he's talking about ;) |
| [20:40:00] | laga: | Beirdo: you'd be a great dad :> |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure laga has that setup |
| [20:41:00] | laga: | heh. |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | hey, at least he can enjoy the porn in private, no wanking in the living room |
| [20:41:00] | laga: | yep, no more stains on the carpet |
| [20:41:00] | braniff: | so MythTV is GOOD for the family then heh |
| [20:42:00] | Ashlar: | hey, I resemble that remark.. 4 fontends |
| [20:42:00] | laga: | braniff: yep |
| [20:43:00] | ** KarlosII eyes channel 84 CPAC in Canada, freaking corrupt lying bribing liberals ** | |
| [20:43:00] | ** KarlosII sighs politics ** | |
| [20:43:00] | ** braniff thanks MythLogBot for preserving the quality that is #mythtv-users ** | |
| [20:43:00] | Beirdo: | come ON, boot those losers out |
| [20:44:00] | Beirdo: | we need new losers |
| [20:44:00] | KarlosII: | yeah |
| [20:44:00] | KarlosII: | right on |
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| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | Harper as PM is just scary though |
| [20:45:00] | KarlosII: | Anne Maclellan is my riding, and I am personally gonna make sure shse don't get elect here a 2nd time... |
| [20:45:00] | braniff: | we'll send Georg |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | Peter Kent should take over the party |
| [20:45:00] | braniff: | Bush up there if you want him |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | Buck Fush |
| [20:45:00] | KarlosII: | Beirdo, well there is no chance he can do worse then the liberals |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | KarlosII: hahaha |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | suuuure. |
| [20:46:00] | KarlosII: | lol |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | Stockwell Day woulda done worse |
| [20:46:00] | KarlosII: | nah |
| [20:46:00] | braniff: | Bush will start a war with someone for you |
| [20:46:00] | KarlosII: | I might start a war :) |
| [20:46:00] | epoch: | man |
| [20:46:00] | epoch: | [15:45] <Beirdo> Harper as PM is just scary though |
| [20:46:00] | epoch: | I dunno how you can say that |
| [20:46:00] | KarlosII: | west vs ontario, and we seperaqte |
| [20:46:00] | epoch: | like, nobody knows how he'll do as PM |
| [20:46:00] | KarlosII: | REVOLUTION maybe |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | epoch: he's a total dweeb |
| [20:47:00] | KarlosII: | Beirdo, nah |
| [20:47:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: so? he's not a crook (as far as we know) |
| [20:47:00] | KarlosII: | he's intelligent smart and wise |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | you have a good point ther |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | I want Preston Manning back, dammit! |
| [20:47:00] | epoch: | I'd rather having a dweep than like, hundreds of corrupt people in power |
| [20:47:00] | epoch: | hahaha |
| [20:47:00] | KarlosII: | He might be a crook that is msart enough not to get caught like the liberals |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:47:00] | KarlosII: | :P |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | there is that |
| [20:47:00] | epoch: | yeah, the refooooooorm party was awesome |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | it was |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:48:00] | KarlosII: | epoch actually I'm on the volunteer team for COnservative Laurie Hawn |
| [20:48:00] | Beirdo: | see, the west has something going for it |
| [20:48:00] | epoch: | KarlosII: what riding's that? |
| [20:48:00] | Beirdo: | Alberta++ |
| [20:48:00] | epoch: | heh |
| [20:48:00] | Beirdo: | BC-- (politically) |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | they know all about crook politicians in BC |
| [20:49:00] | epoch: | it's really just vancouver ;) |
| [20:49:00] | KarlosII: | Anne Maclellan's riding which she won by 700 votes last election against Laurie Hawn |
| [20:49:00] | KarlosII: | :) |
| [20:49:00] | epoch: | ah |
| [20:49:00] | KarlosII: | she is finished this time |
| [20:49:00] | KarlosII: | :) |
| [20:49:00] | KarlosII: | Laurie wa sa nobody last election |
| [20:49:00] | KarlosII: | unknown |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | assuming it turns out the way I want.... |
| [20:49:00] | KarlosII: | which is? |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | down with the budget! |
| [20:50:00] | epoch: | oh hey, when's the budget vote? |
| [20:50:00] | KarlosII: | down with the budget :) |
| [20:50:00] | KarlosII: | today in a couple hours on cpac |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | epoch: ummm, in a couple hours at most |
| [20:50:00] | epoch: | I wonder if anyone's betting on it |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | put Martin out on his rich ass! |
| [20:50:00] | epoch: | ahhaha |
| [20:50:00] | epoch: | see, I could actually see the budget passing |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | it might |
| [20:50:00] | epoch: | in fact, I could even see the conservatives voting for it |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | no way |
| [20:51:00] | epoch: | then voting against the amendment that got the NDP on board |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | that's why Belinda Stronach left |
| [20:51:00] | epoch: | nah, it'd be smart fi they did that |
| [20:51:00] | epoch: | because it would give them the support of the east coast |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | and she may just keep those crooks in power |
| [20:51:00] | ** KarlosII tunes his tv to CPAC for the NON Confidence Vote in hope that we goto the polls on june 27 to elect a new prime minister ** | |
| [20:51:00] | epoch: | *and* make belinda look like an idiot |
| [20:51:00] | CyberKnet: | You two must be the only two people in the world discussing this =) |
| [20:51:00] | KarlosII: | lol |
| [20:52:00] | Beirdo: | epoch: you didn't think she was a idiot bimbo before that move?! |
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| [20:52:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: any money bill is a potential vote of confidence, so it doesn't *have* to be the budget |
| [20:52:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: there are LOTS of people discussing it |
| [20:52:00] | Beirdo: | the budget's the easiest |
| [20:52:00] | KarlosII: | hah the part that bugs me the most is that she got a cabinet position the moment she crossed the floor |
| [20:52:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: oh, totally... but it would kill her credibility if the tories voted for it |
| [20:52:00] | epoch: | easiest? |
| [20:52:00] | epoch: | man |
| [20:52:00] | Beirdo: | and to be honest, the east coast is irrelevant |
| [20:52:00] | epoch: | it's not gonna be that easy |
| [20:53:00] | epoch: | <shrug> I dunno |
| [20:53:00] | Beirdo: | it's Ontario and Quebec that make all the difference |
| [20:53:00] | Beirdo: | look where the population and the seats are |
| [20:53:00] | epoch: | I guess they'er mostly NDP anyawys |
| [20:53:00] | epoch: | yeah |
| [20:53:00] | KarlosII: | actually conservatives already passed the the buget but are voting against the budget amendment aka NDP budget... |
| [20:53:00] | Beirdo: | there are so few seats out east, they are irrelevant |
| [20:54:00] | epoch: | KarlosII: ah! |
| [20:54:00] | epoch: | good :) |
| [20:54:00] | KarlosII: | ontario and quebec if they vote liberal again I swear I'll start a seperatist party of Western Canad |
| [20:54:00] | Beirdo: | as much as I hate Toronto, this is where they should be concentrating |
| [20:54:00] | epoch: | I gotta keep more up to date ;P |
| [20:54:00] | epoch: | man, seriously |
| [20:54:00] | Beirdo: | KarlosII: I'll start beating my neighbours |
| [20:54:00] | epoch: | ontarians vote for the liberals by default |
| [20:54:00] | Beirdo: | stupid liberals |
| [20:54:00] | KarlosII: | epcoh so they read your mind |
| [20:54:00] | Beirdo: | no they don't |
| [20:54:00] | KarlosII: | beirdo :) |
| [20:54:00] | Beirdo: | that's only been the case since after Mulroney |
| [20:55:00] | epoch: | SO many people I've talked to were all "well... I know the libs are corrupt, but the conservatives scare me!" |
| [20:55:00] | KarlosII: | mulroney oh boy I'm so glad he has no more influence through belinda |
| [20:55:00] | KarlosII: | on the conservatives |
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| [20:55:00] | epoch: | then when I ask them why don't they vote NDP instead, they go "yeah, but they'll never win" |
| [20:55:00] | Beirdo: | Mulroney wasn't that bad |
| [20:55:00] | xnor_: | I get the message: CheckChannel failed. Please verify channel "3" in the "setup" Channel Editor. How do i fix it? |
| [20:55:00] | KarlosII: | Mulroney... |
| [20:55:00] | Beirdo: | better than Cretin |
| [20:55:00] | KarlosII: | true |
| [20:56:00] | KarlosII: | chretien the bumbling fool of a prime minister |
| [20:56:00] | Beirdo: | xnor_: go change your starting channel from 3 to something you have |
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| [20:56:00] | Beirdo: | KarlosII: he did one thing right his whole time in there |
| [20:56:00] | Beirdo: | he stood up to the little shrubbery from Texas |
| [20:56:00] | xnor_: | Beirdo: How do i tune to see what channels i have? |
| [20:56:00] | KarlosII: | oh? |
| [20:56:00] | KarlosII: | what? |
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| [20:56:00] | epoch: | uh |
| [20:56:00] | epoch: | holy shit |
| [20:57:00] | KarlosII: | ? |
| [20:57:00] | epoch: | On Thursday morning, the third Independent MP, Carolyn Parrish, cancelled an appearance on a morning television program, saying she might have appendicitis. |
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| [20:57:00] | epoch: | bahahah |
| [20:57:00] | epoch: | I swear, this is like a soap opera |
| [20:57:00] | KarlosII: | nope as soon as she saw the cameras coming again, she got well fast |
| [20:57:00] | Beirdo: | epoch: yeah. :) |
| [20:57:00] | epoch: | "Come hell or high water, there's no frigging way I'm going to let one ovary bring the government down," Parrish told a reporter for the Canadian Press news agency. |
| [20:57:00] | KarlosII: | :) |
| [20:57:00] | epoch: | HAHAHAHAAH |
| [20:57:00] | epoch: | man |
| [20:57:00] | KarlosII: | ovary? |
| [20:57:00] | KarlosII: | doh |
| [20:57:00] | epoch: | oh yeah, I skipped this paragraph: |
| [20:58:00] | epoch: | Late Thursday morning, she said the problem appeared to be either an ovarian cyst or a kidney stone, but she said she would seek an injection to deal with her severe abdominal pain. |
| [20:58:00] | epoch: | then there's Cadman, who has cancer |
| [20:58:00] | epoch: | like... fucking CANCER!?! |
| [20:58:00] | Beirdo: | she was the only Liberal that had any integrity... so they kicked her ass out |
| [20:58:00] | KarlosII: | well parrish is voting with them today |
| [20:58:00] | KarlosII: | ... |
| [20:58:00] | KarlosII: | so what integrity is that |
| [20:58:00] | epoch: | like, *two* people have cancer |
| [20:59:00] | epoch: | just ridiculous |
| [20:59:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, well, she likely believes in the budget |
| [20:59:00] | KarlosII: | I guess no other LIB MP is willing to vote against it :) |
| [20:59:00] | epoch: | ok here's trouble: |
| [20:59:00] | epoch: | Natural Resources Minister John Efford is also ill. He has diabetes. But he has shown up for the budget motion. |
| [20:59:00] | epoch: | Efford had agreed to sit out the vote as a courtesy because cancer surgery was keeping Conservative MP Darrel Stinson away from the House of Commons. Another Liberal will sit out the vote in his place. |
| [20:59:00] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [20:59:00] | KarlosII: | bah |
| [21:00:00] | epoch: | sounds to me like they're just saying someone will sit out |
| [21:00:00] | KarlosII: | what site? |
| [21:00:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [21:00:00] | epoch: | cbc.ca :P |
| [21:00:00] | KarlosII: | dang lib cbc |
| [21:00:00] | epoch: | sorry for all the spamming :) |
| [21:00:00] | xnor_: | Beirdo: Can u tell me how i fix the error? |
| [21:00:00] | Beirdo: | CBC is not Liberal |
| [21:00:00] | KarlosII: | it tis |
| [21:00:00] | Beirdo: | heh, no, they aren't |
| [21:00:00] | epoch: | it's more liberal than, say, teh national post... |
| [21:00:00] | KarlosII: | ... |
| [21:00:00] | Beirdo: | they are about as apolitical as a nationwide network can be |
| [21:01:00] | Beirdo: | xnor_: I already did |
| [21:01:00] | KarlosII: | ... |
| [21:01:00] | FITH: | Heh, at least one that's funded by the gov't |
| [21:01:00] | epoch: | ah, the vote's at 6pm |
| [21:01:00] | Beirdo: | FITH: yeah |
| [21:01:00] | beavis: | with today's build i get: 2005-05–19 22:00:35.077 Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: |
| [21:01:00] | beavis: | error querying master in ProgramList::FromScheduler |
| [21:01:00] | beavis: | any idea? |
| [21:01:00] | ** KarlosII wanders of ** | |
| [21:01:00] | Beirdo: | their politics are geared towards the survival of the CBC, that is all. |
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| [21:02:00] | FITH: | Sure, but I guess what I'm saying is... they know where the cash comes from. :) |
| [21:02:00] | epoch: | man, their cash comes from the same place regardless of whether they're liberals or otherwise |
| [21:02:00] | Beirdo: | they really don't support anyone that I've noticed |
| [21:02:00] | Beirdo: | and then there's the RCAF :) |
| [21:02:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:02:00] | Beirdo: | they slam EVERYONE |
| [21:02:00] | epoch: | yep |
| [21:03:00] | Beirdo: | I love it |
| [21:03:00] | xnor_: | Beirdo: Ok i fixed it now i get, videokalla is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput. ? |
| [21:03:00] | Beirdo: | xnor_: finish your setup |
| [21:03:00] | Beirdo: | you have to do the full setup. the documentation's there for a reason |
| [21:03:00] | laga: | there is documentation? |
| [21:03:00] | Beirdo: | you have to bind the video source to the card input |
| [21:04:00] | Beirdo: | laga: RTFM |
| [21:04:00] | CyberKnet: | Sounds like canadian politics are very fragmented right now |
| [21:04:00] | laga: | Beirdo: heh. |
| [21:04:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: always are, but especially right now :) |
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| [21:04:00] | epoch: | CyberKnet: they have been ever since there was a quebec ;P |
| [21:04:00] | CyberKnet: | The liberals have been in power in australia for quite some time now |
| [21:05:00] | Beirdo: | the liberals here since 1992 |
| [21:05:00] | epoch: | but yeah, we have this bigass scandal involving the government |
| [21:05:00] | Beirdo: | and we want those crooks gone |
| [21:05:00] | CyberKnet: | speaking of the podunk province, I saw a truck in Tulsa the other day with Quebec plates. |
| [21:05:00] | epoch: | the podunk province?? |
| [21:05:00] | Beirdo: | we'll put in someone else who'll turn out to be a big bunch of crooks too |
| [21:05:00] | Beirdo: | umm |
| [21:05:00] | Beirdo: | Saskatchewan's podunk |
| [21:05:00] | Beirdo: | not Quebec |
| [21:05:00] | epoch: | wtf's a podunk |
| [21:06:00] | Beirdo: | Quebec's just aggravating |
| [21:06:00] | CyberKnet: | They're all part of NotAmerica |
| [21:06:00] | CyberKnet: | it makes no nevermind =) |
| [21:06:00] | epoch: | hahaha |
| [21:06:00] | CyberKnet: | *grin* |
| [21:06:00] | epoch: | and that's what's wrong with Americans ;P |
| [21:06:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: yer a silly wanker |
| [21:06:00] | Beirdo: | you get your Aussie DID yet? |
| [21:06:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:07:00] | epoch: | though, in the US if something like this happened, the president would be *so* impeached |
| [21:07:00] | epoch: | like, immediately |
| [21:07:00] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [21:07:00] | CyberKnet: | sure didn't |
| [21:07:00] | Beirdo: | he'd be congratulated |
| [21:07:00] | epoch: | why? |
| [21:07:00] | kormoc: | did bc's vote reform thing pass? |
| [21:07:00] | CyberKnet: | because in the USA we like our president to lie to us |
| [21:07:00] | Beirdo: | because... the rich run America |
| [21:07:00] | CyberKnet: | ergo Gulf War 2 |
| [21:07:00] | epoch: | heh |
| [21:08:00] | Beirdo: | screw the poor |
| [21:08:00] | epoch: | wait, the poor don't vote, do they? |
| [21:08:00] | Beirdo: | as often as you can... and don't pay alimony |
| [21:08:00] | CyberKnet: | !!!WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!! (yes daddy I'll get him for you) |
| [21:09:00] | CyberKnet: | epoch: statistically speaking, the turnout % of the poor is low. However, the education level of the poor is statistically similar to the turnout level of voting in the same segment. Draw your own conclusions... |
| [21:09:00] | CyberKnet: | also, 98% of statistics are made up. |
| [21:09:00] | epoch: | heh |
| [21:09:00] | Beirdo: | and the intimidation in the poor areas is higher too |
| [21:09:00] | Esotericisms: | I love my myth now .. all is gravy :) |
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| [21:10:00] | CyberKnet: | but there is a large correlation between education level and voter turnout. There is also a large correlation between education level and income level. |
| [21:10:00] | Beirdo: | no reported voter intimidation in Manhattan :) |
| [21:10:00] | TheUni3: | does anyone use the windows MCE remote with mythtv? |
| [21:10:00] | Beirdo: | ewwww |
| [21:10:00] | Beirdo: | you said Windows! |
| [21:10:00] | CyberKnet: | There's only one compatible remote with WMCE? |
| [21:10:00] | CyberKnet: | wow |
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| [21:11:00] | TheUni3: | hehe |
| [21:11:00] | TheUni3: | iunno, but there's one that i've seen everywhere |
| [21:11:00] | epoch: | CyberKnet: there's also a large correlation between income/education, and who they're gonna vote for ;) |
| [21:11:00] | CyberKnet: | epoch: Yes. |
| [21:11:00] | TheUni3: | has music\movies\pictures\tv\etc. buttons, so i thought it'd be cool for mythtv |
| [21:11:00] | Beirdo: | epoch: for the lying scum, of course. |
| [21:11:00] | CyberKnet: | epoch: And generally, liberals tend to turn conservative around 25. Coincidently the same time they move out of their parents basement =) |
| [21:11:00] | Esotericisms: | which program do I need for for the IR transmitter with my PVR 150? ... IR Blaster right? |
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| [21:12:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: not necessarily — it's pretty weird actually |
| [21:12:00] | Beirdo: | epoch: not really :) |
| [21:12:00] | Beirdo: | all politicians are lying scum |
| [21:12:00] | laga: | and ACAB ;) |
| [21:12:00] | Beirdo: | just have to wait for it to be evident |
| [21:12:00] | CyberKnet: | around Oklahoma, the REALLY poor tend to vote democrat. But Oklahoma is a republican state through and through. |
| [21:12:00] | epoch: | my buddy (smartest guy I know) worked as a janitor for like 6 months to "get a feel for the lower classes" as he would say |
| [21:13:00] | TheUni3: | http://69.134.23.108:8080/ms_remote_01.jpg |
| [21:13:00] | epoch: | and his fellow janitors were all *heavy* conservatives |
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| [21:13:00] | CyberKnet: | the democrat constituency in oklahoma is largely rooted in the poor and african american segments. |
| [21:13:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: the "really poor" in OK are rich in perspective :) |
| [21:13:00] | TheUni3: | link for the remote |
| [21:14:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Hmmm... I think there are just more middle class in oklahoma than there are lower class. but the poor are dirt poor. |
| [21:14:00] | CyberKnet: | a very large gap. |
| [21:14:00] | CyberKnet: | Not too many middle of the roaders |
| [21:14:00] | Beirdo: | the dirt poor in USA and Canada are richer than the average in many countries |
| [21:14:00] | CyberKnet: | that is true. |
| [21:14:00] | Beirdo: | we are all rich bastards in the grand scheme of things |
| [21:15:00] | CyberKnet: | If you have a source of fresh water then you are likely more well off than half the worlds population. |
| [21:15:00] | Beirdo: | especially those of us with computers, internet, mythtv |
| [21:15:00] | CyberKnet: | fresh, clean water, that is. |
| [21:15:00] | BobJensen: | LOL |
| [21:15:00] | ** CyberKnet does not claim to be poor ** | |
| [21:15:00] | ** Beirdo claims to be poor... yeah right. ** | |
| [21:16:00] | BobJensen: | CyberKnet: You are in OK/ |
| [21:16:00] | BobJensen: | ? |
| [21:16:00] | Beirdo: | "I can't afford 5 lattes a day!" poor bastard! |
| [21:16:00] | CyberKnet: | BobJensen: Yes. |
| [21:16:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: LOL |
| [21:16:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: maybe, but some dirt poor guy in the middle of India who lives in a shanty technically would be richer than someone over here in hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt ;) |
| [21:16:00] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [21:16:00] | CyberKnet: | BobJensen: why do you ask? |
| [21:16:00] | Beirdo: | bankruptcy is a wonderful thing |
| [21:17:00] | BobJensen: | CyberKnet: I can not believe the number of people with OK plates on their cars here, they live here for 3 or 4 years and never get Minnesota plates |
| [21:17:00] | laga: | epoch: ack. |
| [21:17:00] | epoch: | well if you're defining wealth as Net Worth |
| [21:17:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: yeah, I supopse |
| [21:17:00] | BobJensen: | CyberKnet: African Imigrants |
| [21:17:00] | CyberKnet: | BobJensen: can't explain that. But the company I work for has an office in minnesota |
| [21:17:00] | CyberKnet: | BobJensen: I can't see why african immigrants would have oklahoma plates... |
| [21:17:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: what do you thing of OCZ power supplies? |
| [21:17:00] | BobJensen: | CyberKnet: it is the strangest thing |
| [21:18:00] | Beirdo: | because it's OK! |
| [21:18:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: I don't dislike OCZ... but I have seen some slip ups in their producti n the past, and their excuse is always "We didn't make it, we sourced it from a third party." |
| [21:18:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: that excuse is just as bad (if not worse) in my books. |
| [21:18:00] | CyberKnet: | They usually make good on it, but still... |
| [21:18:00] | Beirdo: | well, their custom cabling is what's making me think about them |
| [21:19:00] | CyberKnet: | i.e. an Arctic Silver thermal grease that claimed to be 99% silver that was 0.09% silver |
| [21:19:00] | CyberKnet: | arctic silver knock off, that is |
| [21:19:00] | CyberKnet: | using the stuff was actually worse than using no grease at all |
| [21:20:00] | CyberKnet: | and their response was to recall it and blame it on a third party supplier. They never tested the stuff after placing their order. |
| [21:20:00] | Esotericisms: | I love Commerical Flagging |
| [21:20:00] | Esotericisms: | it rocks |
| [21:20:00] | CyberKnet: | they got a test sample, then ordered bulk and never retested. |
| [21:20:00] | CyberKnet: | that's pretty stupid in my books. |
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| [21:21:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:21:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:21:00] | Beirdo: | but hardly relevant to their power supplies :) |
| [21:21:00] | Esotericisms: | Problem/Issue: Is anyones display on their TV tilted just a little bit? Does anyone have issues with blue borders showing up during playback? |
| [21:21:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Do they make their own power supplies, or do they source them from a third party and stick their brand name on them? |
| [21:21:00] | laga: | Esotericisms: geforce 2 mx? |
| [21:22:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: It could be very relevant. |
| [21:22:00] | Beirdo: | their power supplies are fairly unique looking |
| [21:22:00] | Esotericisms: | laga: geforce FX5500 |
| [21:22:00] | laga: | Esotericisms: ok, dunno, sorry. |
| [21:22:00] | Beirdo: | so if it's third party, they are the only ones selling them |
| [21:22:00] | CyberKnet: | I think they actually make their own |
| [21:22:00] | Esotericisms: | laga: did you have a problem with it with your 2 mx? |
| [21:22:00] | Beirdo: | Esotericisms: blue borders -> search the mailing list or something, it's a known issue |
| [21:23:00] | laga: | Esotericisms: i had a blue border on top |
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| [21:23:00] | Esotericisms: | I am really tempted to shell out another $79 to go get another one of these cards for my desktop |
| [21:23:00] | BobJensen: | Esotericisms: they are nice |
| [21:23:00] | Esotericisms: | CompUSA -> PNY Geforce FX 5500 (128MB DDR) AGP 8x |
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| [21:24:00] | Esotericisms: | btw, what is the link to the active mailing list? ... so that you can post new problems ... ? |
| [21:26:00] | Beirdo: | go to www.mythtv.org |
| [21:26:00] | Beirdo: | it's all linked from there |
| [21:28:00] | laga: | i have two input sources. one source gets its epg data automagically, and the other needs to call xmltv. |
| [21:28:00] | Esotericisms: | what is "xvattr" |
| [21:28:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: All told, I prefer Antec power supplies, but I would probably go OCZ if the option made fincial sense. |
| [21:28:00] | kormoc: | xvideo attributes |
| [21:28:00] | laga: | if i call mythfilldatabase, it just says that 'data is already present' for both sources, obviously. any suggestions? |
| [21:28:00] | Beirdo: | Esotericisms: man is your friend |
| [21:28:00] | ** kormoc loves pc power and cooling power supplys ** | |
| [21:28:00] | Beirdo: | I like the Antec ones |
| [21:29:00] | Esotericisms: | yes, that is if it is installed Beirdo |
| [21:29:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: it's such a shame that they called info info instead of woman |
| [21:29:00] | CyberKnet: | =P" |
| [21:29:00] | Beirdo: | but the cabling on the OCZ might be worth it |
| [21:29:00] | CyberKnet: | model #? |
| [21:29:00] | CyberKnet: | or link |
| [21:29:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, is that to myself? |
| [21:29:00] | Nem^: | [aard] – Team Survivor|217.112.95.133:27960 << — come get some |
| [21:29:00] | Beirdo: | http://www.canadacomputers.com/cc/index.php?d . . . p;cid=PS.808 |
| [21:29:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: nah, Beirdo sorry |
| [21:29:00] | Beirdo: | ignore the damn blue LEDs |
| [21:29:00] | kormoc: | hehe, drat |
| [21:29:00] | kormoc: | I was hoping to get another convert :P |
| [21:29:00] | Esotericisms: | kormoc, thank you |
| [21:30:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: but I'd love to get your model number too =) |
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| [21:30:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewpr . . . p?show=T51DX |
| [21:30:00] | kormoc: | that's the one I run |
| [21:30:00] | BobJensen: | Beirdo: I have antec here, have been doing well in my workstations and servers, I had three thermaltake<sp?> PSUs for 6 years that all failed with in a month |
| [21:31:00] | Beirdo: | http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/power_m . . . power_supply |
| [21:31:00] | TheUni3: | Beirdo: i'm pretty sure that's a 20pin. you'll need an adapter (not recommended) or a different psu if you're running a newer motherboard |
| [21:31:00] | Beirdo: | there |
| [21:31:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, one of the things that sold myself the most with them is as a company, I havn't ever had such a great experence. |
| [21:31:00] | Beirdo: | TheUni3: not necessarily |
| [21:31:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, I bought mine, and about 2 months later, I get a call from them about 8 pm on a friday night, they told me that some of their customers were having issues with their power supplys having a run of bad caps |
| [21:31:00] | BobJensen: | Beirdo: Ultra makes a PSU that is modular also |
| [21:32:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, they said my psu was in the same lot and might have a problem |
| [21:32:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: well that's a pretty decent company then |
| [21:32:00] | TheUni3: | BobJensen: the rails on the ultra are terrible, from what i've heard |
| [21:32:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, so they mailed myself a new one, free of charge, just in case |
| [21:32:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: wow. you mail the old one back? |
| [21:32:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, I received it at 9 am saturday, they shipped it the same day |
| [21:32:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, nope, they sent me a entire new one and the old one is still running in another box perfectly |
| [21:33:00] | Beirdo: | I'm thinking a OCZ or an Antec |
| [21:33:00] | Beirdo: | maybe Enermax |
| [21:33:00] | TheUni3: | Fortron and Sparkle also make great PSU's |
| [21:33:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, 5 year full warranty on all their power supplys |
| [21:34:00] | Beirdo: | buy from "unknown manufacturer X" |
| [21:34:00] | Beirdo: | no thanks |
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| [21:34:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Are you inferring PCP&C is 'unknown manufacturer X'? |
| [21:34:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [21:34:00] | CyberKnet: | Sparkle make mediochre PSUs. I wouldn't say they are great. |
| [21:35:00] | CyberKnet: | sorry, that is in my opinion |
| [21:35:00] | Beirdo: | I wouldn't ever buy squat from a company named Sparkle |
| [21:35:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, they also have a 425W (500W peak) psu for $134 on sale right now |
| [21:35:00] | TheUni3: | haha |
| [21:35:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: that's not a bad price given the 5 year warranty |
| [21:35:00] | TheUni3: | from all the reviews i've read, sparkle stays very close to it's ratings. |
| [21:35:00] | CyberKnet: | TheUni3: I want it to stay EXACTLY at its ratings. |
| [21:35:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: what if they were named Mista Spakoru? |
| [21:35:00] | CyberKnet: | TheUni3: "Very close to" means a possible crash. |
| [21:36:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, it's not a bad price at all for what you get :) |
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| [21:36:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: that level of service is laudable. That psu is worth every penny. |
| [21:36:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, and pcp&c has some of the best refulation |
| [21:36:00] | CyberKnet: | uhh |
| [21:36:00] | CyberKnet: | reputation? |
| [21:36:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, each power supply also has fine tuning things so you can get exact regulation |
| [21:37:00] | kormoc: | erm, voltage regulation |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [21:37:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: Yeah. the OCZ ones have pots for that too. |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | that's funny.... |
| [21:37:00] | kormoc: | I have no idea how I miss spelled that so badly. |
| [21:37:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: hehe |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | a female coworker in office services just sent out an email entitled "Stripping on the 14th Floor" |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:37:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: hah =) |
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| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | thereby guaranteeing that every male in the building read the email |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | and likely half the females too |
| [21:38:00] | CyberKnet: | Never underestimate the desire of a man to see any given moderate looking woman naked. |
| [21:38:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, kinky |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | she was talking about the cleaners stripping and rewaxing the floor |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | but we all read it :) |
| [21:38:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: ooh man. stripping and waxing on the floor. nice. |
| [21:39:00] | kormoc: | I ment bout half the women reading it :P |
| [21:39:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: hehe, yeah |
| [21:39:00] | batdog: | Beirdo: hmm, I would have just run to the 14th on reading the title :) |
| [21:39:00] | BobJensen: | TheUni3: I have not seen the Ultra PSUs, If they are like the other Ultra stuff I have seen they are a step below "normal" standards |
| [21:39:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:39:00] | Beirdo: | DAMN |
| [21:40:00] | Beirdo: | so my replacement PVR if I did this... |
| [21:40:00] | Beirdo: | $1109CDN + tax without the PVR500 |
| [21:40:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [21:41:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, ooh, btw, if you want a mondo psu, here ya go: http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewpr . . . ?show=T85SSI |
| [21:41:00] | CyberKnet: | holy hell |
| [21:41:00] | CyberKnet: | 850 wats |
| [21:41:00] | CyberKnet: | watts |
| [21:41:00] | kormoc: | at 50c :) |
| [21:41:00] | CyberKnet: | even at 85% efficiency... |
| [21:41:00] | CyberKnet: | wow |
| [21:42:00] | kormoc: | antec's true blues and co usually get watt rated at 20c |
| [21:42:00] | kormoc: | so their watt rating is quite a bit lower at 50c |
| [21:42:00] | CyberKnet: | *fifteen* drive connectors |
| [21:42:00] | Esotericisms: | where do I get xvattr ... anyone? |
| [21:42:00] | CyberKnet: | kormo that thing is a monster. |
| [21:43:00] | kormoc: | yup :) |
| [21:43:00] | laga: | i so need this 850w psu |
| [21:43:00] | CyberKnet: | I think I would want http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewpr . . . ?show=S47ATX |
| [21:44:00] | Beirdo: | Hmm |
| [21:44:00] | kormoc: | yeah, those are nice :) |
| [21:44:00] | Beirdo: | I think I still have an enermax I'm not using |
| [21:44:00] | CyberKnet: | man. if I go to the max Wattage according to their charts for each item I have in my system... I need at least a 500W psu |
| [21:44:00] | Beirdo: | come to think of it |
| [21:45:00] | Esotericisms: | is there now xvattr package? |
| [21:46:00] | Esotericisms: | apt package that is? |
| [21:46:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm .. |
| [21:46:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: watt? =P" |
| [21:46:00] | Beirdo: | apt-cache search xvattr |
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| [21:46:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v GeckoFiend | |
| [21:47:00] | Esotericisms: | I did that ... didn't get anything back |
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| [21:47:00] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [21:47:00] | Beirdo: | use your google skills |
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| [21:47:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah |
| [21:47:00] | laga: | or apt-file |
| [21:48:00] | Esotericisms: | apt-file?? oh new command for me to learn |
| [21:48:00] | CyberKnet: | use your google-fu |
| [21:48:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [21:48:00] | CyberKnet: | or apt-fu |
| [21:48:00] | Beirdo: | or your yuck-fu |
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| [21:49:00] | Beirdo: | hheeh |
| [21:49:00] | Beirdo: | no.cox.net |
| [21:49:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:49:00] | Beirdo: | that's funny |
| [21:50:00] | kormoc: | sounds nsfw :P |
| [21:50:00] | Beirdo: | the feminist domain. |
| [21:50:00] | Beirdo: | slide_: you really should bitch-slap Cox for your domain name |
| [21:50:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:51:00] | CyberKnet: | man. that S47ATX is a good buy at $99 for having six SATA connectors on it |
| [21:51:00] | CyberKnet: | no.cox.net ... heh |
| [21:51:00] | CyberKnet: | at least mine is OK! |
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| [21:51:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:51:00] | CyberKnet: | too OK, even |
| [21:52:00] | CyberKnet: | it really should be "GOOD" |
| [21:52:00] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [21:52:00] | Beirdo: | I really need to start a company in the cook islands |
| [21:52:00] | Beirdo: | my.co.ck |
| [21:52:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:52:00] | CyberKnet: | you just want hu.gh.co.ck |
| [21:52:00] | CyberKnet: | s/gh/ge/ |
| [21:52:00] | Beirdo: | google.co.ck exists |
| [21:53:00] | CyberKnet: | I cant believe you went to google cock |
| [21:53:00] | CyberKnet: | Who could have had the lack of foresight to se .co.ck causing this kind of ruckus |
| [21:53:00] | Beirdo: | someone pointed it out to me a couple weeks ago |
| [21:53:00] | CyberKnet: | some showed you how to google cock a couple weeks ago? |
| [21:54:00] | ** Beirdo kicks CyberKnet ** | |
| [21:54:00] | kormoc: | google.boo.bi.es |
| [21:54:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:54:00] | Beirdo: | no such domain |
| [21:54:00] | CyberKnet: | NX DOMAIN |
| [21:54:00] | kormoc: | yeah, too bad :P |
| [21:54:00] | intrade: | cook ilsand Beirdo where do you live? |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | Whereas.... |
| [21:55:00] | CyberKnet: | he wants to live in co.ck |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | google.co.ck. 1800 IN A 216.239.39.99 |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | google.co.ck. 1800 IN A 216.239.57.99 |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | google.co.ck. 1800 IN A 216.239.37.99 |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | Canada |
| [21:55:00] | CyberKnet: | oh. then you do live in co.ck |
| [21:55:00] | intrade: | ok nz here |
| [21:55:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | other side of the globe |
| [21:55:00] | ** CyberKnet runs to the other side of the room ** | |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | but co.nz doesn't have the ring to it that co.ck does :) |
| [21:56:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, did the rest of canada vote on STV? or was that just a BC thing? |
| [21:56:00] | intrade: | no idea |
| [21:56:00] | CyberKnet: | ex.co.nz would b e good |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | on what? |
| [21:56:00] | kormoc: | Single Transferable Vote |
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| [21:57:00] | CyberKnet: | STV sounds like something you catch from being too promiscuous |
| [21:57:00] | kormoc: | it's a really awesome voting system |
| [21:57:00] | kormoc: | it allows one to vote for who they want without wasting the vote |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | musta been just the west-coast dingbats |
| [21:57:00] | CyberKnet: | Australia has a really awesome voting system. |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | we're too stupid to adopt something that useful |
| [21:58:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, Australia uses STV :) |
| [21:58:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: ch-ching |
| [21:58:00] | Beirdo: | and has STDs |
| [21:58:00] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [21:58:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: that's just me, not australia as a whole... |
| [21:58:00] | Beirdo: | uh huh |
| [21:58:00] | Beirdo: | and all the sheep? |
| [21:58:00] | CyberKnet: | and it's not really transferrable... it just makes other women spoiled for everyone else |
| [21:59:00] | CyberKnet: | it's not something you could catch by sleeping with my sloppy seconds |
| [21:59:00] | CyberKnet: | much to your chagrin |
| [21:59:00] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [21:59:00] | kormoc: | I do have a small complaint of how they did it |
| [21:59:00] | kormoc: | it didn't pass in bc |
| [21:59:00] | ** Beirdo slaps CyberKnet with a salmon ** | |
| [21:59:00] | kormoc: | it only got 57% approval |
| [21:59:00] | kormoc: | the requirements was 60% by vote and 60% of the runnings |
| [22:00:00] | kormoc: | it was approved in all runnings, but only 57% of the population voted yes |
| [22:00:00] | kormoc: | it should have passed imho |
| [22:00:00] | Esotericisms: | well I just found that commercial flagging doesn't always work :/ |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | it shoulda followed the rules they set forward |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | and hence didn't pass |
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| [22:00:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, uhh, one thing tho |
| [22:01:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, The BC Referendum Act stipulates a simple majority for any referendum |
| [22:01:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, they changed it only for this one |
| [22:01:00] | Beirdo: | as well they should have |
| [22:01:00] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [22:01:00] | Beirdo: | voting reform should require more than 50% + 1 |
| [22:02:00] | kormoc: | the law says it only requires 50%+1 |
| [22:02:00] | kormoc: | and the past few dozen was passed that way |
| [22:02:00] | Beirdo: | I think 60% even isn't enough |
| [22:02:00] | kormoc: | it's just this single vote was upped |
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| [22:02:00] | kormoc: | the next reform which is being voted for in a few months only requires 50%+1 |
| [22:02:00] | kormoc: | I think it's sorta shitty. |
| [22:02:00] | Beirdo: | it was likely subject to federal laws as well |
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| [22:03:00] | kormoc: | my understanding was that it was not. |
| [22:03:00] | Beirdo: | I think the entire US electoral system is shitty, so we're even :) |
| [22:03:00] | CyberKnet: | then why the odd percentages for that one? |
| [22:03:00] | Beirdo: | and BC is a bunch of dingbats |
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| [22:03:00] | Beirdo: | silly tree-hugging, pot-smoking hippies... |
| [22:04:00] | Esotericisms: | what is the site for ir blaster ?? |
| [22:04:00] | Beirdo: | hey wait.... I should move to BC :) |
| [22:04:00] | Beirdo: | Esotericisms: STFW |
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| [22:04:00] | Esotericisms: | STFW ... w = ???? |
| [22:04:00] | Esotericisms: | I just like to bug you Beirdo |
| [22:04:00] | Beirdo: | search the fucking web |
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| [22:05:00] | Esotericisms: | ah .. but IR Blaster is what I need to get the IR transmitter to work to control my like tv and such right? |
| [22:05:00] | Beirdo: | likely |
| [22:05:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, the bc rulling councel voted to up it because they felt it was a big change |
| [22:05:00] | Esotericisms: | kk |
| [22:05:00] | Beirdo: | it IS a big change, kormoc |
| [22:05:00] | Beirdo: | huge change |
| [22:05:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, as has been the past few other ones too :P |
| [22:06:00] | kormoc: | I just don't like making exceptions to the law I guess |
| [22:06:00] | Beirdo: | not that it matters what you like, yank :) |
| [22:06:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:06:00] | kormoc: | they should have changed the law or followed the law, imho |
| [22:06:00] | Beirdo: | or even what I like... |
| [22:06:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
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| [22:06:00] | Beirdo: | leave BC to the pot-heads and criminal politicians |
| [22:06:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, I've been attempting to move to BC for like, 3 years now :P |
| [22:06:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: an STV within our neighbor to the north would make it easier to suggest STV over here =) |
| [22:07:00] | Beirdo: | well then you'll have to wait until enough people support it |
| [22:07:00] | CyberKnet: | Yes. |
| [22:07:00] | CyberKnet: | And then I'll have to find someone over here to suggest it |
| [22:07:00] | CyberKnet: | because my thoughts matter neither here nor in BC =) |
| [22:07:00] | BobJensen: | LOL |
| [22:07:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:07:00] | kormoc: | " Referenda on Quebec separation and the Charlottetown Accord referendum concerned significant constitutional issues of much greater importance than electoral refrom, yet required no more than a simple majority." |
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| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: bah |
| [22:08:00] | kormoc: | it was not federal restrictions in any way in other words :P |
| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | bah |
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| [22:08:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | Quebec's "shall we separate" referendums were all invalid anyways |
| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | the question was too vague |
| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | and the results would never have actually meant separation, the rest of the country would have told them where to shove their vague question |
| [22:09:00] | Esotericisms: | so the ir blaster cable has to go over the IR port ... interesting |
| [22:09:00] | CyberKnet: | australian prisoners still have to right to vote. isn't that interesting? |
| [22:09:00] | CyberKnet: | "felons" in australia can vote. |
| [22:09:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm |
| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | any constitutional change REQUIRES acceptance by something like 6 of the 10 provinces |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: figuring Australia was founded as a penal colony, that makes sense :) |
| [22:10:00] | CyberKnet: | wow. they still count nova scotia? I thought it was kind of like Cali... just waiting to float out into the ocean =) |
| [22:11:00] | ** CyberKnet arranges for Beirdo to have a "penal" "colony" ** | |
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| [22:11:00] | CyberKnet: | have fun with that, buddy. |
| [22:11:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: you're so out of touch. |
| [22:11:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:11:00] | CyberKnet: | =P" |
| [22:12:00] | Beirdo: | now put down Dolly the sheep and get back to work |
| [22:12:00] | CyberKnet: | aaaah... I see. prisoners with a sentence of 5 years or more are denied the right to vote |
| [22:12:00] | CyberKnet: | if less... then you are not |
| [22:13:00] | Beirdo: | intrade: I hope you take advantage of the right to distill at home. lucky Kiwi |
| [22:13:00] | intrade: | not realy |
| [22:13:00] | intrade: | should huh |
| [22:13:00] | Beirdo: | you silly boy |
| [22:13:00] | Beirdo: | I'd be so making my own vodka |
| [22:13:00] | CyberKnet: | other than her self... who does this woman look like? http://www.paulinehanson.com.au/Images/Header/Header_r1_c1.jpg (safe for work) |
| [22:14:00] | Beirdo: | no clue |
| [22:14:00] | CyberKnet: | you dont think she bears a resemblance to a certain osborne? |
| [22:14:00] | intrade: | mate made some poision alcohol |
| [22:14:00] | intrade: | from leftover beer from pub |
| [22:14:00] | Beirdo: | then your mate is an idiot :) |
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| [22:15:00] | intrade: | i use for window cleaning |
| [22:15:00] | Beirdo: | there's no way to turn ethanol into anything poisonous |
| [22:15:00] | intrade: | well he recons not to drink it |
| [22:15:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, she does look like sharron |
| [22:15:00] | intrade: | 82 -85% |
| [22:15:00] | Beirdo: | all distilling does is takes out water from what you put in |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | if it wasn't poison going in, it's not coming out |
| [22:16:00] | intrade: | musta have been poisons |
| [22:16:00] | kormoc: | 164 to 170 proof isn't that much |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | sure it is |
| [22:16:00] | intrade: | the left overs from the beer kegs |
| [22:16:00] | kormoc: | everclear's much more :) |
| [22:16:00] | intrade: | cant remember |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you have any idea how hard it is to get past 80%? |
| [22:16:00] | intrade: | beer is shit here |
| [22:16:00] | kormoc: | but like, even 200 proof won't kill ya |
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| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | and yes, 100% alcohol can easily kill you (alcohol poisoning anyone?!) |
| [22:17:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, actually, I don't, given we've had the stuff to do it in school and what not. |
| [22:17:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, one shot of 100% == 2 shots of 50% == 4 shots of 25%... |
| [22:17:00] | intrade: | could probably run the car on that |
| [22:18:00] | Beirdo: | to get more than 80% alcohol you will need a damn good reflux still or to distill it about 10 times |
| [22:18:00] | kormoc: | it's not that bad. |
| [22:18:00] | Beirdo: | I know how it scales, silly |
| [22:18:00] | intrade: | yea his mate imported a still from europe |
| [22:18:00] | kormoc: | distill it a ton of times is how we did it :) |
| [22:18:00] | Beirdo: | but it's way easy to kill yourself on ethanol |
| [22:18:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: then you broke the law. bad boy :) |
| [22:18:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:18:00] | Beirdo: | stupid law |
| [22:18:00] | ** kormoc hangs his head in mock shame ** | |
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| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | it's fully legal to home distill in NZ |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | and dammit, I wanna home distill |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:19:00] | intrade: | i think so |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | you can't sell the results |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | just like home brew beer or wine, mead, etc |
| [22:19:00] | intrade: | if to mutch peeps do it they will make it illegal i recon |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | but you can make it for personal consumption |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | if people start selling it, they will |
| [22:20:00] | intrade: | yup |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | and there's a fairly high cost associated with distilling |
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| [22:20:00] | ** Beirdo wants a nice proper reflux still ** | |
| [22:20:00] | intrade: | does mythtv got voice over ip? |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | yes, but it sucks |
| [22:20:00] | kormoc: | http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000050043896/ |
| [22:20:00] | intrade: | i use skype |
| [22:21:00] | Beirdo: | ewww |
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| [22:21:00] | CyberKnet: | i use asterisk |
| [22:21:00] | kormoc: | I use vonage |
| [22:21:00] | Beirdo: | asterisk is at least based on STANDARDS |
| [22:21:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:21:00] | intrade: | gnome meeting is crap lol |
| [22:21:00] | darkfire: | is there a sepertate support channel for IVTV issues, or can someone here help me? |
| [22:21:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: someone to sell the PAP2 to :) |
| [22:21:00] | GotD0t: | i use verizon wireless ;-) |
| [22:21:00] | intrade: | i hope gaim vv is hurry along |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | OK, I think I'm gonna head out |
| [22:22:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [22:22:00] | darkfire: | hrmm, one of you voip users. know anything about PVR-350s? |
| [22:22:00] | intrade: | seya |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | <Cartmen> screw you guys, I'm going home </Cartmen> |
| [22:22:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm .. |
| [22:22:00] | intrade: | nop only got skype |
| [22:22:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: you use vonage eh? me too. need another ATA? *grin* |
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| [22:23:00] | kormoc: | ATA? |
| [22:23:00] | Hydrian: | Is the CX2388X chipset supported yet in mythtv .18? |
| [22:23:00] | Beirdo: | hehe. musical PAP2 |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: phone adapter |
| [22:23:00] | kormoc: | ahh, hum, you selling yours? |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | (analog telephone adapter) |
| [22:23:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: I may be soon, yes. |
| [22:24:00] | Beirdo: | I sold it to CyberKnet... now he will sell it to kormoc :) |
| [22:24:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: trying to find decent voip providers and run asterisk |
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| [22:24:00] | Beirdo: | I want air miles for that puppy |
| [22:24:00] | intrade: | ich hab auch dialup |
| [22:24:00] | intrade: | anlaog |
| [22:24:00] | Beirdo: | anyways... home |
| [22:24:00] | CyberKnet: | Ich haben eine brottenbanden |
| [22:24:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, hrm, maybe, is it the linksys style router? |
| [22:24:00] | intrade: | 33.6 k modem skype voive geht |
| [22:24:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [22:25:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: It does not look like other linksys routers. It is about 10cm x 10cm x 2cm all silver |
| [22:25:00] | CyberKnet: | with blue leds |
| [22:25:00] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [22:25:00] | CyberKnet: | Linksys PAP2 |
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| [22:26:00] | CyberKnet: | very small compact unit actually |
| [22:26:00] | CyberKnet: | what unit do you have? the motorola, or the cisco? |
| [22:26:00] | CyberKnet: | I had a motorola unit prior to this one |
| [22:26:00] | CyberKnet: | still have it actually, just dont use it |
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| [22:30:00] | darkfire: | so, does anyone here think they could help me get the TV out of my PVR-350? The display initializes, but then goes black, except for a couple spots where you can see part of the screen, but it flashes. |
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| [22:51:00] | opello: | iggy: you mentioned some alt-syskey-r business to recover your hung box — are the syskey key combos enumerated anywhere? i can't seem to find them |
| [22:52:00] | Beirdo: | /me yawns |
| [22:52:00] | Beirdo: | doh |
| [22:53:00] | j-rod: | tard |
| [22:53:00] | j-rod: | I love free lunches... |
| [22:53:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:53:00] | ** Beirdo is a tard alright ** | |
| [22:54:00] | Beirdo: | NP: Cheap Trick – I Want You To Want Me |
| [22:54:00] | j-rod: | turns out that season finale getting the last 1/2 hr cut wasn't a scheduling thing, my OTA signal (or card) went out to lunch |
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| [22:55:00] | Beirdo: | oh nice |
| [22:55:00] | j-rod: | "no data for 1 second" errors for the DVB card for a whole 30 minutes, every second... |
| [22:55:00] | Beirdo: | it picked a fine time to fuck up |
| [22:55:00] | iggy: | opello: if you can see a console... alt+sysrq+h |
| [22:55:00] | j-rod: | also lost 35 minutes of CSI:NY last night |
| [22:55:00] | Beirdo: | :( |
| [22:56:00] | Beirdo: | NP: Guns N' Roses – Civil War |
| [22:56:00] | opello: | iggy: ah, thanks |
| [22:56:00] | j-rod: | I think a little wind storm may have blown my antenna out of alignment or something... |
| [22:56:00] | Beirdo: | that could do it |
| [22:56:00] | j-rod: | NP: Rolling Stones – Star Star |
| [22:56:00] | Beirdo: | not bad |
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| [22:57:00] | Beirdo: | this song would be considered "unamerican" if it came out now |
| [22:57:00] | j-rod: | "your tricks with fruit... are kinda cute..." |
| [22:57:00] | j-rod: | can anyone complete that line? |
| [22:58:00] | Beirdo: | not me |
| [22:58:00] | Beirdo: | especially not while I'm listening to music |
| [22:58:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:58:00] | j-rod: | Mick is a bit vulgar sometimes. |
| [22:58:00] | Beirdo: | he sure is |
| [22:58:00] | Beirdo: | not as bad as Axel Rose though :) |
| [22:58:00] | j-rod: | "but baby keep your p**** clean" would be the completion |
| [22:59:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [23:00:00] | Esotericisms: | wtf! my damn htaccess file will not work |
| [23:00:00] | Beirdo: | so fix it |
| [23:00:00] | Esotericisms: | can't figure out what is wrong |
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| [23:01:00] | Esotericisms: | I have never had a problem with .htaccess files in the past |
| [23:01:00] | Ashlar: | got AllowOverride All in httpd.conf? and AccessFileName .htaccess ? |
| [23:02:00] | opello: | any way i can force run the commercial flagger? |
| [23:02:00] | CyberKnet: | no. he has navel lint between his ears =) |
| [23:02:00] | Ashlar: | opello: yah.. 'mythcommflag --help' |
| [23:02:00] | CyberKnet: | opello: pressing the right arrow on a recordings in the view recordings screen will bring up job queue as a viable selection |
| [23:02:00] | Esotericisms: | Ashlar, I need those two lines ... is that what you are saying (well I might need them) |
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| [23:02:00] | CyberKnet: | you can tell it to run the comm flagger in there |
| [23:03:00] | opello: | CyberKnet: wow, i'd never even gone to job options — haha, thanks |
| [23:03:00] | Beirdo: | Esotericisms: I think you need to RTFM on Apache |
| [23:03:00] | CyberKnet: | opello: that's from memory... you may want to make sure it is correct |
| [23:03:00] | Ashlar: | Esotericisms: yah, hit apache.org- they have a very detailed section on it |
| [23:04:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah ... I have never had a problem before ... so that is why I was wondering |
| [23:04:00] | opello: | CyberKnet: i hit the '_ commercial flagging' (it was 'start' or 'begin', it says 'stop' now though ...) |
| [23:04:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [23:04:00] | opello: | and there it is in top, rock on |
| [23:04:00] | Beirdo: | NP: Iron Maiden – Eat Shit And Die |
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| [23:04:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:04:00] | Beirdo: | at least that's what it was entitled when *I* got it |
| [23:04:00] | Esotericisms: | Beirdo, if that is only going to be your only answer stop saying it ... I am no stupid and I know what I am doing (most of the time) |
| [23:05:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: what is it supposed to be entitled? |
| [23:05:00] | Beirdo: | not sure |
| [23:05:00] | Esotericisms: | no = not* |
| [23:05:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: well, we're not going to the polls any time soon :P |
| [23:05:00] | Beirdo: | sure we are |
| [23:05:00] | epoch: | Beirdo: chuck cadman just voted for the budget amendment |
| [23:05:00] | epoch: | well, not as soon as I'd hoped :) |
| [23:05:00] | Beirdo: | maybe not for the budget, but whatever |
| [23:06:00] | Beirdo: | I hope you like the idea of Jack Layton as PM :) |
| [23:06:00] | epoch: | man, FUCK that |
| [23:06:00] | epoch: | though I'd prefer him to the libs ;) |
| [23:06:00] | CyberKnet: | hah |
| [23:06:00] | epoch: | I dont' see the NDP winning a thing, though |
| [23:07:00] | Esotericisms: | I think my mythfrontend just froze |
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| [23:08:00] | Beirdo: | actually, I think the NDP might have a chance at doing some good |
| [23:08:00] | Beirdo: | but MAN are they dingbats |
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| [23:08:00] | Esotericisms: | yup my mythfrontend just froze ... interesting |
| [23:09:00] | opello: | now can i commflag and watch the show at the same time? it's 24% done and i figure that's good enough for the first 2 at least |
| [23:09:00] | Hydrian: | what is a decent USB remote for mythtv? |
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| [23:10:00] | opello: | dang, still says 'not flagged' |
| [23:10:00] | jasoncohen: | Hydrian, i'm using the niveus RF/universal IR remote with GreyFoxx's driver. It works well |
| [23:10:00] | jasoncohen: | Hydrian, $40 for the remote + the RF base |
| [23:10:00] | Hydrian: | jasoncohen: is that lirc supported? |
| [23:10:00] | jasoncohen: | it is controlled directly through the driver like an IR Keyboard so no need to use lirc |
| [23:11:00] | jasoncohen: | it's quite simple to use |
| [23:11:00] | Hydrian: | The base just emulate keystokes? |
| [23:11:00] | Hydrian: | oh... never mind... I can't read |
| [23:12:00] | jasoncohen: | the only downside is that the keymap is currently in the driver – atiremote.c but i believe GreyFoxx is planning to change that. Even so, it's easy to edit as there are comments for each button. then you just copy it to /usr/src/linux/drivers/usb/input/ and then do make modules && make modules_install and finally modprobe ati_remote lolatype=1 |
| [23:13:00] | Hydrian: | Ah |
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| [23:15:00] | jasoncohen: | i have ati_remote in /etc/modprobe.preload and options ati_remote lolatype=1 to modprobe.conf to have it start on bootup |
| [23:15:00] | Hydrian: | Aparently ati_remote was moved to LIRC |
| [23:16:00] | jasoncohen: | this is a modified driver |
| [23:16:00] | jasoncohen: | for the niveus |
| [23:16:00] | Drizzt321: | whats the most effective commercial detection algorithm? |
| [23:16:00] | Beirdo: | All |
| [23:16:00] | Drizzt321: | Beirdo, ok, thats what I figured, I'll see if that improves some of the false detections |
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| [23:22:00] | mirak: | hi |
| [23:22:00] | mirak: | so I don't need the front end to do recording ? |
| [23:23:00] | iggy: | no |
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| [23:30:00] | ** Beirdo chuckles at no.cox.net again ** | |
| [23:30:00] | Esotericisms: | ok I got a problem ... my remote just continues to stop responding ... |
| [23:31:00] | Esotericisms: | and lircd is still running |
| [23:31:00] | iggy: | Esotericisms: what card? |
| [23:31:00] | Esotericisms: | iggy, PVR-150 |
| [23:31:00] | iggy: | known problem |
| [23:31:00] | iggy: | next please |
| [23:31:00] | Esotericisms: | if I run /usr/bin/irw ... I get no reponse |
| [23:32:00] | Esotericisms: | temp fix action? |
| [23:32:00] | iggy: | IT'S A KNOWN PROBLEM |
| [23:32:00] | Esotericisms: | I know that .. |
| [23:32:00] | iggy: | cold boot |
| [23:32:00] | Esotericisms: | really ... |
| [23:32:00] | iggy: | yeah |
| [23:32:00] | Beirdo: | and give yourself a boot to the head while you're at it |
| [23:32:00] | iggy: | you'd know if you bothered to look at the ivtv mailing list |
| [23:33:00] | Esotericisms: | I wouldn't have even thought to have looked at the ivtv mailing list .. sorry |
| [23:33:00] | ** iggy wanders off to be a dick in other channels ** | |
| [23:33:00] | ** Beirdo hands iggy a box of Trojans... don't be a dick without them ** | |
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| [23:34:00] | CyberKnet: | wouldn't have thought to look on the mailing list for the driver of the card that you are trying to use |
| [23:34:00] | ** GeckoFiend snickers ** | |
| [23:34:00] | CyberKnet: | priceless |
| [23:34:00] | iggy: | Beirdo: roger |
| [23:34:00] | Bob-Laptop: | wow reminds me of some RedHat employees that hang out in #Fedora |
| [23:34:00] | iggy: | Bob-Laptop: except I'm a volunteer, so I've earned it |
| [23:34:00] | iggy: | BITCH |
| [23:35:00] | Esotericisms: | one more question before you get mad at me ... where is the ivtv mailing list so that I can stop bugging you |
| [23:35:00] | Beirdo: | heh. someone needs some beer |
| [23:35:00] | Beirdo: | gooooogle |
| [23:35:00] | iggy: | ivtv.sourceforge.net ivtv.writeme.ch #ivtv-dev |
| [23:35:00] | iggy: | take your pick |
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| [23:37:00] | Esotericisms: | well iggy, I can't find anything in the lists related to the 150 and the remote problem ... so is this on all wintv pvrs? |
| [23:37:00] | iggy: | nope just 150's |
| [23:37:00] | iggy: | if you can't find it, you aren't looking hard enough |
| [23:38:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm .. ok |
| [23:38:00] | iggy: | and based on the fact that you asked me 1 minute ago where the lists were, I doubt you've even looked |
| [23:38:00] | Esotericisms: | whatever ... search string (on gossamer-threads): 150 remote |
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| [23:38:00] | CyberKnet: | try remote cold boot |
| [23:38:00] | CyberKnet: | or something along those lines |
| [23:38:00] | Esotericisms: | that should return any emails relating to the pvr 150 and a remote |
| [23:39:00] | Esotericisms: | ah the search feature isn't that good I see ... you have to have exact matches ... 150 will not match pvr-150 .. that is retarded |
| [23:40:00] | ** Beirdo gets the salmon outta the pail... ** | |
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| [23:41:00] | Beirdo: | su.xo.nit |
| [23:41:00] | Beirdo: | errr. |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | alritey. |
| [23:42:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm .. they mention a patch to fix it ... but they don't link to it .. :/ |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | I have to go pick up a new propane cylender |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | dear god my spelling sucks |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | GAS TANK =) |
| [23:42:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:42:00] | Drizzt321: | I'm trying to get the pvr-350 tv output to work from the ivtv wiki. I got the test image fine, but now when I re-load the drivers trying to turn the test image off, I can't, it keeps output the test image. can anyone help me? |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | propane tank. |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | later folks |
| [23:42:00] | Beirdo: | be a good time for another fender bender |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | aah man, just stfu =) |
| [23:43:00] | Beirdo: | have a safe trip, dude |
| [23:43:00] | CyberKnet: | I do not need a fender bender. I have had my share for the next five years. |
| [23:43:00] | CyberKnet: | do *not* jinx me =) |
| [23:43:00] | CyberKnet: | *grin* |
| [23:43:00] | CyberKnet: | adios mi amigos |
| [23:43:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:43:00] | ** gnarface yawn ** | |
| [23:43:00] | gnarface: | good morning everyone |
| [23:43:00] | gnarface: | anyone use a usb-uirt for transmitting *and* a hauppage remote? |
| [23:43:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm ... |
| [23:44:00] | Beirdo: | morning?! |
| [23:44:00] | gnarface: | ok, well, strictly speaking its not morning |
| [23:44:00] | gnarface: | but i only sleep in the daytime |
| [23:44:00] | Beirdo: | silly vampire |
| [23:44:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:44:00] | gnarface: | so its *like* morning |
| [23:44:00] | gnarface: | da night time is da right time |
| [23:45:00] | Beirdo: | I stay up all day, all night, and just don't get enough sleep :) |
| [23:45:00] | gnarface: | hey, that's an interesting idea. i outta try that. |
| [23:45:00] | gnarface: | how much caffine does it take? |
| [23:45:00] | Beirdo: | too much :) |
| [23:45:00] | gnarface: | hmm. |
| [23:45:00] | gnarface: | so uh.. usb-uirt anyone? |
| [23:45:00] | Beirdo: | I get on avg 6h sleep on weekdays |
| [23:46:00] | Beirdo: | 12h on weekends |
| [23:46:00] | slide__ (~slide@ip68-11-234-116.br.no.cox.net) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [23:46:00] | Esotericisms: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/de . . . 0boot;#20464 <---- WHAT PATCH?! |
| [23:46:00] | gnarface: | hehe. 9 hours daily: 6am -3pm |
| [23:46:00] | slide_ (~slide@ip68-11-234-116.br.no.cox.net) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [23:47:00] | Beirdo: | Esotericisms: so email the person who has the patch |
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| [23:50:00] | Hydrian (~Hydrian@65.213.79.252) Quit ("Pardon my driving... I'm reloading.") | |
| [23:53:00] | Nem^ (~Nem@p54ABD7DE.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | |
| [23:55:00] | slide_ (~slide@ip68-11-234-116.br.no.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:55:00] | ** gnarface cries because he can't find documentation on usb-uirt ** | |
| [23:56:00] | Beirdo: | :( |
| [23:56:00] | Beirdo: | no clue |
| [23:58:00] | Esotericisms: | looks like it is in the latest version of lirc |
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