| Friday, May 13th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | nilaruz (~zuralin@69-161-82-21.bflony.adelphia.net) Quit ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") | |
| [00:03:00] | ** j-rod loves playing hero at work ** | |
| [00:03:00] | maddhaggis: | Is it normal to get audio passed to the soundcard from a HD3000 through the motherboard and not an external stereo plug? I am using an Audigy 2 card w/ 6channel analog and spdif both outputing at the same time...Does this sound right? |
| [00:04:00] | ** j-rod built out two new app servers from bare-metal to production in record time ** | |
| [00:05:00] | D4vid: | anybody can help me a few to setup my channels ? because i can't scan, if i enter manually it lock signal but don't find channels (DVB-T) |
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| [00:09:00] | iggy: | maddhaggis: the output from the hd3000 is an mpeg stream, so it would have the audio encoded in it |
| [00:11:00] | Agrajag-: | anyone happen to know why nuvexport doesn't seem to take any notice of my ~/.nuvexportrc? |
| [00:12:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm it works with -c |
| [00:13:00] | kormoc: | cause it doesn't auto look at ~/.nuvexportrc? |
| [00:14:00] | Esotericisms: | alright I am having issues with my fedora install and mythtv ... |
| [00:14:00] | Esotericisms: | I am following the wilson howto |
| [00:14:00] | Esotericisms: | when I do 'apt-get install mythtv-suite' I get the following errors |
| [00:14:00] | Agrajag-: | kormoc: well i checked the code and it appears that it should be |
| [00:15:00] | Esotericisms: | 'The following packages have unmet dependencies: mythtv-suite: depends: mythdvd (>= 0.18) and mythbrowser (>= 0.18)' |
| [00:16:00] | j-rod: | some dependency for mythbrowser and/or mythdvd is screwed up atm, it would appear |
| [00:16:00] | j-rod: | try apt-get install mythdvd |
| [00:17:00] | Esotericisms: | 'mythdvd: depends: libmyth-0.18.so.0' |
| [00:17:00] | j-rod: | ah, I think I know what's up |
| [00:17:00] | Esotericisms: | k |
| [00:17:00] | j-rod: | apt-cache policy libmyth |
| [00:18:00] | Esotericisms: | k |
| [00:18:00] | Esotericisms: | what do you want me to show y ou |
| [00:18:00] | j-rod: | I have a feeling Axel rebuilt all the core packages w/updates from -fixes and pushed them out before building the plugins |
| [00:19:00] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [00:19:00] | Beirdo: | trac++ |
| [00:19:00] | mchou: | hey j-rod, the other day you mentioned some i2c parameter at addr 0x60/0x61.....what was that parameter name? |
| [00:19:00] | Esotericisms: | j-rod, what do I do now? |
| [00:20:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: go look at the channel logs :) |
| [00:20:00] | mchou: | j-rod: I wanna try that on my m179..... |
| [00:20:00] | j-rod: | options tuner addr=0x61 |
| [00:20:00] | mchou: | j-rod: cause I think that might be the problem..... |
| [00:21:00] | j-rod: | Eso, what version does that output return? |
| [00:21:00] | Esotericisms: | installed, candidate, or version table? |
| [00:22:00] | Esotericisms: | installed: 0.18–109.rhfc3.at |
| [00:22:00] | Esotericisms: | candidate: 0.18–109.rhfc3.at |
| [00:22:00] | Esotericisms: | then it lists a hold lot of old versions it seems |
| [00:23:00] | Esotericisms: | hold = whole |
| [00:23:00] | j-rod: | I'll have to bug Axel, he probably didn't realize there was a lib version bump |
| [00:24:00] | Esotericisms: | so what can I do to fix it? |
| [00:24:00] | j-rod: | for the moment, you can just grab everything from http://wilsonet.com/packages/mythtv/ |
| [00:24:00] | Esotericisms: | anything? |
| [00:24:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [00:24:00] | ** Beirdo hands j-rod the trout ** | |
| [00:24:00] | Beirdo: | go smack Axel :) |
| [00:24:00] | ** j-rod thanks Beirdo for the trout ** | |
| [00:24:00] | Beirdo: | trac rules |
| [00:24:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:24:00] | ** j-rod heads off to smack Axel ** | |
| [00:24:00] | Esotericisms: | so just 'apt-get install url' right? |
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| [00:24:00] | Beirdo: | thanks for pointing it out to xris and I, j-rod :) |
| [00:25:00] | j-rod: | you betcah |
| [00:25:00] | j-rod: | betcha |
| [00:25:00] | j-rod: | (and thank you for Robert LeBlanc using it w/the Maia Mailguard project, where I first saw it) |
| [00:25:00] | xris: | pointing what out? |
| [00:25:00] | xris: | oh, trac |
| [00:25:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:25:00] | j-rod: | back in a few... |
| [00:25:00] | ** xris thanks CyberKnet for telling us j-rod was using it. ** | |
| [00:25:00] | ** Esotericisms thanks j-rod ** | |
| [00:27:00] | mchou: | j-rod: I dont think addr is a valid tuner option. Modinfo says: probe,probe_range,ignore,force |
| [00:27:00] | mchou: | j-rod: maybe force? |
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| [00:28:00] | poonj: | hey mchou |
| [00:28:00] | poonj: | does the PVR-150MCE work with ivtv? |
| [00:29:00] | iggy: | poonj: mine works like a charm... both of them |
| [00:29:00] | mchou: | it's supposed to. I dont have MCE, I have retail 150 |
| [00:29:00] | poonj: | whats the difference? |
| [00:29:00] | mchou: | the latest driver works really well. |
| [00:29:00] | iggy: | remote and fm |
| [00:29:00] | mchou: | prior ones are iffy. |
| [00:29:00] | xris: | poonj: yes and no. depends on what you want to do, and how much work you want to put into it. |
| [00:30:00] | iggy: | always the cynic |
| [00:30:00] | mchou: | xris is always whining :) |
| [00:30:00] | xris: | iggy: well, considering that I have to use a relatively ancient form of the driver, yes. |
| [00:30:00] | iggy: | what was the last one you tried? |
| [00:31:00] | iggy: | poonj: btw, there's #ivtv-dev for ivtv specific stuff (support and dev) |
| [00:31:00] | poonj: | yeah...I just wanted to see if its supported |
| [00:31:00] | xris: | iggy: according to people on the mailing list with the same problem as me, the latest changes "fix" my audio problem, but the sound is scratchy. |
| [00:31:00] | mchou: | bah, that channel is almost useless :) |
| [00:31:00] | poonj: | because its $63 for a card on amazon.com |
| [00:31:00] | poonj: | so I mean... |
| [00:31:00] | xris: | so I'll stick with the old one that actually works. |
| [00:31:00] | Esotericisms: | hey j-rod, I get this 'E: package **** is a virtual package with no good providers' |
| [00:31:00] | Esotericisms: | is that ok? |
| [00:31:00] | xris: | poonj: it works as long as you don't mind a little effort and beta drivers. |
| [00:32:00] | mchou: | poonj: yeah, go ahead and buy it. I think ivtv driver is rapidly improving. |
| [00:32:00] | poonj: | okay |
| [00:32:00] | poonj: | because I have a PVR-250BTV |
| [00:32:00] | iggy: | yeah, the drivers are after all 0.2 and 0.3 version numbers, so..... |
| [00:32:00] | poonj: | that was something I didn't realize |
| [00:32:00] | bobc: | my pvr-150 tuner works great – it's just the remote that gives me problems |
| [00:32:00] | mchou: | 250BTV doesn't work yet in linux |
| [00:32:00] | Esotericisms: | when I do apt-get install url to get the packages from wilsonet.com ... I get this 'E: package **** is a virtual package with no good providers' |
| [00:33:00] | poonj: | mchou, I know...but is someone working on it? |
| [00:33:00] | mchou: | poonj: yeah, somebody is. Forget the company that's trying to sell myth platforms..... |
| [00:34:00] | mchou: | the name of* |
| [00:34:00] | mchou: | personally, I'd just sell the 250BTV on ebay and get a 150 :) |
| [00:34:00] | poonj: | yeah |
| [00:35:00] | poonj: | thats what I'm gonna do probably |
| [00:35:00] | poonj: | mythtv is still in its infant stages... |
| [00:35:00] | xris: | 150 supposedly has better image, too. |
| [00:35:00] | poonj: | I wonder how support is going to work |
| [00:35:00] | poonj: | if someone is trying to sell boxes |
| [00:35:00] | xris: | poonj: lxmsuite.com |
| [00:35:00] | mchou: | poonj: huh?? mythtv is not "infant" |
| [00:36:00] | xris: | but I agree, "actively changing" != infant |
| [00:36:00] | ** iggy puts his 350 on ebay ** | |
| [00:36:00] | Esotericisms: | can anyone help? |
| [00:36:00] | poonj: | mchou: actively changing is a better phrase |
| [00:36:00] | mchou: | I think myth is rather mature. There are just too many "dependencies" |
| [00:36:00] | bobc: | I can't say that I see much difference between my 150 and my 250 – both look great |
| [00:37:00] | mchou: | I agree with bobc..... |
| [00:37:00] | mchou: | I actually think it's possible that the 150 tuner might be slightly inferior to 250 tuner. |
| [00:37:00] | bobc: | however my 250 remote works for more than 15 minutes – my 150 doesn't. |
| [00:38:00] | bobc: | mchou: which tuner did you have? |
| [00:38:00] | mchou: | tuner 50 |
| [00:38:00] | mchou: | which I have serious doubts regarding quality. |
| [00:38:00] | mchou: | tuner 39 would be preffered. |
| [00:38:00] | bobc: | so you don't like your 250 either? |
| [00:39:00] | mchou: | my 250 doesnt have a 50 tuner. |
| [00:39:00] | bobc: | why did you say above that you agreed with me that it looked great? |
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| [00:40:00] | mchou: | bobc: this tuner stuff is very subtle. 50 tuner is slightly more susceptible to noise, depending on channel. |
| [00:40:00] | xris: | mchou: my tuner 47 is great. but I don't have a 250 to compare to |
| [00:40:00] | mchou: | for example my channel 2 on tuner 50 is unwatchable. |
| [00:40:00] | j-rod: | mchou: the tuner option worksforme... |
| [00:41:00] | j-rod: | modinfo tuner |
| [00:41:00] | j-rod: | parmtype: addr:int |
| [00:41:00] | mchou: | j-rod: ok. maybe it's just undocumented. |
| [00:41:00] | mchou: | hmm??? |
| [00:41:00] | j-rod: | looks documented here. :) |
| [00:41:00] | mchou: | that doesnt show up on mine. ivtv 0.3.4o |
| [00:42:00] | j-rod: | it may not be an option for the ivtv tuner module |
| [00:42:00] | mchou: | hehe :) |
| [00:42:00] | j-rod: | but the ivtv tuner module starts scanning at 0x61 anyway |
| [00:42:00] | mchou: | j-rod: yeah, I suspect m179 is at 0x60. |
| [00:42:00] | j-rod: | ah |
| [00:42:00] | mchou: | which is why I want to try that option. |
| [00:42:00] | bobc: | did you see the post by chris kennedy on 0.3.4m regarding the ajustment for noise compensation? haven't tried it, but interesting |
| [00:43:00] | bobc: | also added FM for 150MCE |
| [00:43:00] | mchou: | yeah, he already put that in the driver. |
| [00:43:00] | j-rod: | ah, yes, the m179 is at 60 |
| [00:43:00] | j-rod: | #define IVTV_M179_TUNER_I2C_ADDR 0x60 |
| [00:43:00] | mchou: | j-rod: hehe. |
| [00:43:00] | j-rod: | so you need to use a v4l tuner module |
| [00:44:00] | mchou: | which is why m179 doesnt work with ivtv tuner module. |
| [00:44:00] | mchou: | j-rod: yeah, I'll give that a shot. |
| [00:44:00] | j-rod: | Esotericism, what are you doing to get that E: blah blah virtual package thing? |
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| [00:51:00] | jemarcks: | anybody have nuvexport working? |
| [00:52:00] | CyberKnet: | nope. |
| [00:52:00] | CyberKnet: | nobody. evar. |
| [00:54:00] | Esotericisms: | apt-get install URL (url is to wilsonet.com for the rpms) |
| [00:55:00] | Esotericisms: | j-rod ^^ |
| [00:56:00] | Esotericisms: | doh ... I need to do rpm -Uvh don't I? |
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| [00:59:00] | mr_pecan: | which version of fedora should i use to install a new myth system? |
| [01:00:00] | mr_pecan: | 1, 2, 3 or 4? |
| [01:01:00] | kormoc: | 15? shit... I was never good at multiple choice. |
| [01:01:00] | mr_pecan: | heh |
| [01:02:00] | mr_pecan: | or is there an even better distro? |
| [01:02:00] | xris: | mr_pecan: considering that 4 isn't out yet, I'd keep that off my list. |
| [01:02:00] | xris: | 3 is good. knopmyth is good if you prefer debian. |
| [01:02:00] | mr_pecan: | what do you guys use? |
| [01:03:00] | xris: | fc3 |
| [01:03:00] | kormoc: | gentoo |
| [01:03:00] | xris: | mr_pecan: stick with the distro you know best. |
| [01:03:00] | mr_pecan: | i had a mythtv system, but the upgrade to 0.18 totally borked it... |
| [01:04:00] | xris: | and what distro is it? |
| [01:04:00] | mr_pecan: | was fc2 |
| [01:04:00] | xris: | so go fc3, follow jarod's fc3 guide. |
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| [01:05:00] | mr_pecan: | i have lots of free time this week though and was looking to maybe learn a new distro... |
| [01:05:00] | NightMonkey: | mr_pecan: Lots of people successfully updated with Fedora. |
| [01:06:00] | mr_pecan: | not me, but i used the unstable apt packages |
| [01:07:00] | Beirdo: | FC1 is good too, but the updates may or may not be there |
| [01:07:00] | Beirdo: | so FC3 would be the choice, I think |
| [01:07:00] | mr_pecan: | does "emerge" work pretty well on gentoo? |
| [01:07:00] | NightMonkey: | mr_pecan: The official docs also work well: http://mythtv.org/ |
| [01:07:00] | Beirdo: | it works better in gentoo than anywhere else, mr_pecan |
| [01:07:00] | NightMonkey: | heh |
| [01:07:00] | Beirdo: | and yes, in general, it works well |
| [01:09:00] | mr_pecan: | yeah, i think i'll go with gentoo |
| [01:09:00] | NightMonkey: | Some problems with the new -r1 0.18 ebuild for people like me who have Athlon MPs/XPs. It guesses my procs as "pentiumpro"... :/ |
| [01:09:00] | Beirdo: | are you using gentoo already, mr_pecan? |
| [01:09:00] | xris: | mr_pecan: just beware — things like config files are stored in different places in gentoo |
| [01:09:00] | Beirdo: | NightMonkey: that's not a problem, that's what it should be using |
| [01:10:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Hmm... dare I ask why? |
| [01:10:00] | Beirdo: | because it was tested and that's what's supported |
| [01:10:00] | mr_pecan: | Beirdo, nope i have never used gentoo |
| [01:10:00] | xris: | and the install process can be confusing for some people. |
| [01:10:00] | Beirdo: | mr_pecan: then now is likely not a good time to start unless you REALLY want a pile of new stuff at once |
| [01:10:00] | Beirdo: | use the distro you are most used to |
| [01:11:00] | mr_pecan: | well, there is always #gentoo to help me heh |
| [01:11:00] | Beirdo: | well, good luck :) |
| [01:12:00] | AlexanderS: | hi |
| [01:12:00] | AlexanderS: | i have a WinTV 150 MCE |
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| [01:13:00] | AlexanderS: | how i can create a list of all channels i recive? |
| [01:13:00] | xris: | AlexanderS: read the documentation |
| [01:13:00] | AlexanderS: | where? |
| [01:13:00] | xris: | mythtv.org |
| [01:14:00] | flithm: | hey everyone... I'm having a hell of a time getting mythgame to work... anyone got good results? what version of xmame is best to use? I get segfaults when trying to launch a game... none of the games are in their categories, and none of the snap shots get loaded when browsing games. I'm quite sure the paths are correct though. Anyone got any hints/ideas? |
| [01:14:00] | flithm: | AlexanderS: there's a menu option, or you can do it from mythweb |
| [01:15:00] | flithm: | AlexanderS: also reading the docs is a good idea |
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| [01:15:00] | xris: | flithm: do *what* from mythweb? |
| [01:16:00] | flithm: | xris: i guess I kind of jumped into the middle of a conversation, sorry. I was thinking of how you can edit the channel listing in there... obviously I was mistaken about what you guys are talking about eh? |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | cure cancer, save the earth from a asteroiud, and make a peanut butter and jelly poptart, didn't you know mythweb did all that? :P |
| [01:17:00] | xris: | edit channels, yes. not import whole listings. |
| [01:17:00] | flithm: | ahh heh |
| [01:17:00] | ** flithm shuts mouth ** | |
| [01:17:00] | mr_pecan: | i didn't know it made poptarts |
| [01:17:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
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| [01:19:00] | flithm: | so... <ahem>... anyone here successfully using mythgame and xmame? just curious if there's any tricks that need to be performed in order for it to work? |
| [01:22:00] | mr_pecan: | "First of all, welcome to Gentoo. You are about to enter the world of choices and performance. " — gentoo.org |
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| [01:23:00] | mr_pecan: | haha |
| [01:23:00] | Beirdo: | you are about to enter the world of lameass useless optimizations :) |
| [01:23:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:23:00] | flithm: | I run gentoo, and I compile all my stuff with -O0 and -march 8086 |
| [01:24:00] | flithm: | just so I don't seem like a ricer |
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| [01:25:00] | flithm: | I feel like that guy from "the office" right now |
| [01:26:00] | EricAnderson: | Hey, Im looking into building a pvr... the pvr-350 looks nice, but Im confused. I thought I read somewhere that the OSD doesnt work with the tvout... is this the case? |
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| [01:31:00] | mr_pecan: | wow #gentoo has 3 times more users than #fedora — by definition gentoo must be a better distro |
| [01:31:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [01:31:00] | Beirdo: | a dumber one |
| [01:31:00] | Beirdo: | they need more support :) |
| [01:32:00] | mr_pecan: | haha |
| [01:32:00] | mchou: | mr_pecan: 50 million flies eat shit doent mean shit is good to eat. |
| [01:33:00] | mr_pecan: | you must be an envious fedora user |
| [01:34:00] | Beirdo: | gentoo has more posers |
| [01:34:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:34:00] | flithm: | i'll tell you what's a steaming pile of shit: mythgame |
| [01:34:00] | mchou: | lol, I dont even use fedora. fedora is pisswater, one step above shit. |
| [01:35:00] | mr_pecan: | mchou is on windows starter edition maybe? heh |
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| [01:35:00] | mchou: | mr_pecan: just face it, gentoo users are clueless. |
| [01:35:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: not all of them are, but they sure have a large proportion of em |
| [01:36:00] | mchou: | it's on the order of 98%, which is close enough to "all" |
| [01:36:00] | Beirdo: | not even close |
| [01:37:00] | flithm: | you know guys... who's really clueless, is the people who go on about what distro is better than which. the whole thing is choice, and that there's a distro (or 2 or 10) for everyone. waste your time doing something productive, like whining about how much mythgame sucks. |
| [01:37:00] | mr_pecan: | back in my day, we had to code our own kernels and walk uphill both ways to school |
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| [01:38:00] | j-rod: | Esotericisms, yeah, you have to download those packages by hand and then install w/rpm |
| [01:40:00] | mr_pecan: | what myth really needs is a MythPr0n plugin of some kind |
| [01:40:00] | mr_pecan: | really that would drive up the user base |
| [01:40:00] | j-rod: | I agree that "this distro is better than this distro" arguments are often quite stupid |
| [01:40:00] | j-rod: | use whatever you're comfortable with |
| [01:40:00] | j-rod: | I'll keep using Red Hat, because it pays my bills |
| [01:41:00] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah |
| [01:41:00] | Beirdo: | use what you are used to |
| [01:41:00] | Beirdo: | experimenting while setting up myth for the first time is a recipe for a non-working myth box |
| [01:42:00] | mchou: | j-rod: we aren't arguing about distros, we are auguing that gentoo users are more clueless than users of other distros. Th difference is sbubtle, but there nonetheless. |
| [01:42:00] | mr_pecan: | well, this is not my first time to set up myth. more like the fifth heh |
| [01:43:00] | j-rod: | ah |
| [01:43:00] | j-rod: | mchou, I love to point folks to funroll-loops.org. :) |
| [01:43:00] | mchou: | hehe. |
| [01:43:00] | Beirdo: | not nearly all gentoo lusers are that lame |
| [01:43:00] | ** j-rod has run gentoo on a number of different boxes ** | |
| [01:44:00] | ** j-rod likes it, but can't stand the time and effort required ** | |
| [01:44:00] | NightMonkey: | j-rod: Used GRP? |
| [01:44:00] | j-rod: | as in gentoo ref platform? |
| [01:44:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, gentoo can really give good results, but DAMN it's a lot of work |
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| [01:45:00] | NightMonkey: | j-rod: I've not used it, but it might help reduce your ramp up time. |
| [01:45:00] | j-rod: | no thanks |
| [01:45:00] | j-rod: | Debian and RH suit me much better |
| [01:46:00] | NightMonkey: | j-rod: OK, but the GRP answers your objections :). |
| [01:46:00] | Beirdo: | not really |
| [01:46:00] | j-rod: | no, it doesn't |
| [01:46:00] | Beirdo: | there's no purpose if you are going to recompile it anyways |
| [01:46:00] | j-rod: | first thing I do after installing any system from disc is upgrade |
| [01:46:00] | j-rod: | I like boxes without security holes |
| [01:46:00] | Beirdo: | imagine that |
| [01:47:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: But, do you have to recompile it? |
| [01:47:00] | Beirdo: | if you don't, why are you bothering with Gentoo? |
| [01:47:00] | Beirdo: | go with a precompiled distro |
| [01:47:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Because you might like Portage? |
| [01:48:00] | mr_pecan: | boxes without security holes — OpenBSD |
| [01:48:00] | Beirdo: | the only draw that Gentoo has for me is that you can pick and choose what optional support you have. and compile directly for your processor |
| [01:48:00] | j-rod: | portage is the same difference from apt on debian or red hat |
| [01:48:00] | Beirdo: | mr_pecan: bah |
| [01:48:00] | Beirdo: | OpenBSD has security holes just like everything else |
| [01:48:00] | j-rod: | just more secure defaults |
| [01:49:00] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [01:49:00] | Beirdo: | which is why I use it for my firewall |
| [01:49:00] | j-rod: | I use Astaro Security Linux |
| [01:49:00] | Beirdo: | and pf is rather sweet |
| [01:49:00] | j-rod: | it kicks ass |
| [01:49:00] | adante: | Agrajag-: do you use the commercial skipping? |
| [01:50:00] | Agrajag-: | yep |
| [01:50:00] | ** j-rod has since wiped all gentoo installs from his boxes ** | |
| [01:50:00] | ** Beirdo does an emerge --sync on his asterisk box ** | |
| [01:50:00] | mr_pecan: | OpenBSD makes the best free firewall yeah |
| [01:50:00] | adante: | Agrajag-: generally works pretty well for you? |
| [01:50:00] | Beirdo: | mr_pecan: Linux does a damn nice job too |
| [01:51:00] | j-rod: | mr_pecan, define what you mean by "firewall" |
| [01:51:00] | Agrajag-: | adante: yeah. i dont use it for anything but 'notify', just for fun. i dont mind manually skipping commercials |
| [01:51:00] | j-rod: | if you're talking just the packet filter level, yes, pf has some benefits over netfilter |
| [01:51:00] | Agrajag-: | only takes a couple of seconds |
| [01:51:00] | Beirdo: | j-rod: yup. |
| [01:51:00] | j-rod: | but I don't consider that alone a "firewall" |
| [01:51:00] | Beirdo: | pf is nice. |
| [01:51:00] | Agrajag-: | but yeah it seems to work pretty well for the programs i record |
| [01:52:00] | Agrajag-: | (i watch mostly abc and sbs thoughso don't use it all that much) |
| [01:52:00] | mr_pecan: | as in computer to serve as your window to the internet in my case |
| [01:52:00] | adante: | Agrajag-: fair enough.. which method do you use and how accurate is it generally (% hits/misses/false hits) if you have any idea |
| [01:52:00] | mr_pecan: | cause you know an OpenBSD box ain't gonna get hacked |
| [01:52:00] | ** j-rod likes having all sorts of proxies, nailed ipsec vpn links, l2tp ipsec vpn server, all in one box, with a friendly ui to manage it ** | |
| [01:52:00] | Beirdo: | mr_pecan: sure it will |
| [01:52:00] | adante: | i only ask because last time i used it, i wasn't too impressed :] |
| [01:52:00] | NightMonkey: | mr_pecan: How do you know that? |
| [01:53:00] | Agrajag-: | adante: i use all, and also used the 'less strict' or whatever that option is called because it did miss a few |
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| [01:53:00] | Agrajag-: | i haven't really expermented with it though |
| [01:54:00] | Agrajag-: | because ff is set to 30seconds, most ads are 30secs, i just have to hit ff a few times |
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| [01:54:00] | Agrajag-: | it seriosuly only takes 2 seconds to skip them manually |
| [01:54:00] | mr_pecan: | well maybe from the inside, but not from the outside — can leave a default OpenBSD box facing the inet and it aint gonna get hacked from the outside |
| [01:54:00] | Beirdo: | mr_pecan: sure it will |
| [01:55:00] | Beirdo: | don't get lulled into a false sense of security |
| [01:55:00] | j-rod: | any box on a network can be hacked |
| [01:55:00] | mr_pecan: | by default like one hole in the last 7 years!! |
| [01:55:00] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [01:55:00] | Beirdo: | they've had shitloads |
| [01:55:00] | Beirdo: | openssh is riddled with holes |
| [01:55:00] | mr_pecan: | i'm talking remote root from the outside |
| [01:55:00] | Beirdo: | so am I |
| [01:56:00] | ** j-rod thinks someone isn't up on their security best-practices ** | |
| [01:56:00] | mr_pecan: | when openssh was bundled with openbsd (before licensing issues) none of the bugs in it worked to get you root on openbsd |
| [01:56:00] | Beirdo: | and it's only a matter of time before a serious exploit in pf is found |
| [01:56:00] | j-rod: | :) |
| [01:57:00] | mr_pecan: | i'm not saying i would leave open ports on any box facing the inet |
| [01:57:00] | adante: | Agrajag-: cool.. yeah my ff is 7 seconds, i just find seeking with ff/rw a lot slower than myth 0.17 so it takes maybe 10 seconds to skip commercials... way too much :] |
| [01:57:00] | j-rod: | and you don't need to get root from openssh |
| [01:57:00] | j-rod: | if you can get in to ANY account, from there, there's always another way to escalate privs |
| [01:57:00] | Beirdo: | hell, openssh ITSELF got hacked... on the openbsd ftp servers |
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| [01:57:00] | mr_pecan: | except what i needed, but i am saying that openbsd is THE most secure OS |
| [01:58:00] | Beirdo: | so don't get lulled into the "this is unhackable" bullshit |
| [01:58:00] | xris: | mr_pecan: you're wrong there, too. macos9 was |
| [01:58:00] | ** j-rod likes tripwire ** | |
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| [01:58:00] | Beirdo: | and on top of all that, Theo's a dick |
| [01:58:00] | mr_pecan: | macos 9 heh |
| [01:58:00] | j-rod: | there would be that |
| [01:58:00] | ** xris thinks he will replace his linux firewall with a snapgear box ** | |
| [01:58:00] | mr_pecan: | yeah theo is a dick |
| [01:59:00] | ** j-rod will never replace his Astaro box ** | |
| [01:59:00] | xris: | astaro? |
| [01:59:00] | Beirdo: | yes you will, j-rod :) |
| [01:59:00] | Beirdo: | when something better comes out |
| [01:59:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:59:00] | Beirdo: | in a few years, likely |
| [02:00:00] | Beirdo: | never is a LONG time |
| [02:00:00] | j-rod: | I'll replace my Astaro 5 box with an Astaro 6 box. :) |
| [02:00:00] | Flimqy: | Will a standard IR port work to interface with a universal remote, or does special hardware need to be purchased? |
| [02:00:00] | j-rod: | okay, so maybe not never |
| [02:00:00] | j-rod: | but not anytime soon |
| [02:00:00] | xris: | j-rod: astaro just software? |
| [02:00:00] | j-rod: | been using ASL for a few years now |
| [02:00:00] | Beirdo: | that's a more likely statement :) |
| [02:00:00] | Flimqy: | (Of course the I/R port on my PC is on the back, which will be rather inconvenient when using a remote...) |
| [02:00:00] | j-rod: | not exactly |
| [02:00:00] | j-rod: | free for home use w/10 IPs behind it |
| [02:00:00] | Bob-Laptop: | Beirdo: I am so glad to hear someone else say that about Theo "the rat" |
| [02:01:00] | j-rod: | astaro.org |
| [02:01:00] | xris: | ah. |
| [02:01:00] | j-rod: | very simple install, does pretty much everything under the sun you could want a gateway box to do |
| [02:02:00] | xris: | snapgear has gotten good reviews.. $250 for a little appliance that does basic stuff. |
| [02:02:00] | j-rod: | that's about what I paid for this tiny compaq deskpro EN I've got astaro on right now |
| [02:03:00] | j-rod: | PIII-933. :) |
| [02:03:00] | Beirdo: | Bob-Laptop: A lot of people say it |
| [02:03:00] | j-rod: | actually going to (eventually) replace it with the 1U IBM Netfinity I just got |
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| [02:03:00] | Beirdo: | j-rod: I use a Dell GX-100 slimline. Pretty similar |
| [02:03:00] | j-rod: | I love those little boxes |
| [02:03:00] | Beirdo: | Celeron 566 |
| [02:03:00] | xris: | j-rod: yeah, but it costs a LOT more to run it. heh |
| [02:03:00] | Bob-Laptop: | Beirdo: this I know, but it was the first time I "heard it with my own ears" |
| [02:03:00] | j-rod: | true |
| [02:03:00] | Beirdo: | my asterisk box is one too |
| [02:04:00] | ** j-rod still needs to find time to set up a * box ** | |
| [02:04:00] | ** xris hopes to snag the 1u firewall they use at work when it gets retired. ** | |
| [02:04:00] | Machtyn: | well, there it goes... FC3 being installed on my eMachines Celeron 2.5GHz, 512MB RAM, 12GB+160GB HDD system soon to be a minor email server and heavily used MythTv box |
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| [02:04:00] | j-rod: | debating if I should bother trying to salvage a second cpu for the Netfinity, just because I can... |
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| [02:05:00] | prolific: | can stuff that i record with mythtv only be played back with mythtv ? |
| [02:05:00] | prolific: | can i use other programs to pay mythtv recordings ? |
| [02:05:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: Sure. |
| [02:05:00] | Machtyn: | if it's saved as mpg, you should be fine to play it most other media players |
| [02:05:00] | Beirdo: | j-rod: of course you should :) |
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| [02:06:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: mplayer, even Windows Media Player. |
| [02:06:00] | prolific: | 1100_20050512180700_20050512190000.nuv |
| [02:06:00] | prolific: | thats what its saving as |
| [02:06:00] | Goldfisch2: | Titivillus theme doesn't seem to work anymore. It is breaking mythfrontend and mythtv-setup. How can I change it to another theme, just so I can get in and pick another theme? |
| [02:06:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: Yeah. |
| [02:07:00] | prolific: | wtf is .nuv ? |
| [02:07:00] | prolific: | is that a disguised mpg ? |
| [02:07:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: Could be. Depends on what you are using to record. |
| [02:07:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: Type "file <filename>". That'll tell you what it really is. |
| [02:08:00] | Agrajag-: | or use nuvinfo |
| [02:08:00] | prolific: | 1100_20050512180700_20050512190000.nuv: data |
| [02:09:00] | Esotericisms: | doesn't myth support different types of stored files that it records to? |
| [02:09:00] | Agrajag-: | nuvinfo will tell you more |
| [02:09:00] | prolific: | i dont have a command called nuvinfo |
| [02:10:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: That's not good. You have an older system? What does "file -v" tell you? |
| [02:10:00] | Machtyn: | hmm, agrajag... interesting, I'm listening to hhgttg radio program right now |
| [02:11:00] | prolific: | magic file from /usr/share/misc/file/magic |
| [02:11:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: What is the version? |
| [02:11:00] | prolific: | file-4.13 |
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| [02:12:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: Wow, you have a newer version than I do ;) . What is your distro? |
| [02:12:00] | Esotericisms: | question ... are their different file compressions supported by myth? how do you change them? does it compress after it is done recording? |
| [02:12:00] | prolific: | NightMonkey: gentoo |
| [02:12:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: Unstable? |
| [02:12:00] | prolific: | ~x86 |
| [02:12:00] | prolific: | living at the edge :) |
| [02:14:00] | xris: | tuxristo: you around? |
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| [02:15:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: Yeah, you might fall off ;) . |
| [02:15:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: Well, again, what are you recording with? |
| [02:15:00] | ** j-rod also has the hhgttg bbc radio shows ** | |
| [02:15:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: Gone? |
| [02:15:00] | prolific: | im recording with an old tv tuner |
| [02:15:00] | ** j-rod listened to all of them just recently to pass the time while commuting ** | |
| [02:15:00] | prolific: | using svideo |
| [02:15:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: And that is...? |
| [02:15:00] | prolific: | STB |
| [02:16:00] | prolific: | bt878 |
| [02:16:00] | prolific: | it doesnt have hardware encoding |
| [02:16:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: Well, you'll probably need to use nuveexport to change the format to play elsewhere. |
| [02:16:00] | prolific: | nuxexport eh |
| [02:16:00] | prolific: | nuv |
| [02:16:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: "emerge nuvexport". |
| [02:17:00] | bobc: | why would mythtv status show that my remote encoder is recording, but not show what it is encoding? is that normal? |
| [02:17:00] | NightMonkey: | prolific: That includes the "nuvinfo" Agrajag- mentioned earlier. |
| [02:17:00] | prolific: | k |
| [02:17:00] | prolific: | im emerging it right now |
| [02:17:00] | Esotericisms: | does it always take like 1 GB of data per 20 minutes when recording ???? |
| [02:17:00] | prolific: | btw u guys should watch mtv in 15 mins |
| [02:18:00] | prolific: | xbox360 =) |
| [02:18:00] | prolific: | Esotericisms: lower the quality |
| [02:18:00] | Esotericisms: | once it is done recording I am assuming it compresses it then? |
| [02:19:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: For me, my PVR-350 records decently at 1.2 GB/hour. |
| [02:19:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Not unless you tell it to, by transcoding. |
| [02:19:00] | Esotericisms: | well I am using a software based tuner (WinTV Go) ... |
| [02:20:00] | Esotericisms: | it isn't an mpeg-2 type card |
| [02:20:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Hmm... I dunno, since I use a hardware capture card. |
| [02:21:00] | Flimqy: | Does MythTV support the FM radio function of a WinTV 401 card, to record radio programs? |
| [02:21:00] | mchou: | Flimqy: there is a radio module somewhere..... |
| [02:21:00] | NightMonkey: | Flimqy: Nothing official, AFAIK. There is a "rogue" MythFM project, but you'll need to google for that. |
| [02:21:00] | j-rod: | Oh, this is lovely: http://kerneltrap.org/node/5103 |
| [02:21:00] | mchou: | figital: but you'd be much better off using kradio |
| [02:22:00] | mchou: | Flimqy: ^^^^ |
| [02:22:00] | Flimqy: | NightMonkey: Does this "rogue" package integrate with MythTV, or is it completely independant? |
| [02:22:00] | NightMonkey: | Flimqy: That was their goal, you'll need to find the dev site to see how it has progressed. |
| [02:22:00] | Flimqy: | mchou: Is the radio module you refer to the same as the MythFM thing NightMonkey refered to? |
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| [02:22:00] | mchou: | yup. |
| [02:23:00] | Flimqy: | NightMonkey: okay. thanks. I'm googling now. |
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| [02:23:00] | Skaface: | hello |
| [02:24:00] | Flimqy: | Does MythTV's distributed functionality allow an encoder to run on a machine other than the machine with the framegrabber hardware? Or to accomplish that, will I simply have to transcode the stream after recording is complete? |
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| [02:25:00] | Esotericisms: | Flimqy, good question ... I would like to know that too ... |
| [02:25:00] | Esotericisms: | is their a plugin for mythtv for transcoding? |
| [02:25:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [02:26:00] | mchou: | wish ppl would read the damn docs. |
| [02:26:00] | Skaface: | ive just installed 0.18, I am using the minimalist-wide theme, and my setup menu has dissapeared |
| [02:26:00] | Esotericisms: | alright ... I go read |
| [02:27:00] | Flimqy: | mchou: Is my question answered in the docs? (b/c I just read thru them all, and didn't find that. Altho I admit I skimmed portions, so may have missed that) |
| [02:27:00] | Flimqy: | mchou: I did see the answer to Esotericisms's question, tho. |
| [02:28:00] | j-rod: | Yes, you can run a transcode job on a different host, but no, the original encoding must be done on the host that has the capture card |
| [02:28:00] | j-rod: | and yes, transcoding support is built into myth |
| [02:29:00] | bobc: | Flimqy: http://mythextra.napsi.net/mythFM.html |
| [02:29:00] | Flimqy: | j-rod: okay. that was my guess. thanks |
| [02:29:00] | bobc: | it's been updated to work with .18 |
| [02:29:00] | Flimqy: | bobc: Thanks! |
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| [02:30:00] | Esotericisms: | I should rephrase my question ... is there a gui frontend plugin ... for transcoding |
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| [02:32:00] | JeepJerk: | Where are the mythplugins supposed to be installed to on knoppmyth? |
| [02:32:00] | Skaface: | has the setup menu been moved in 0.18, or have i found a bug? |
| [02:33:00] | JeepJerk: | setup menu should be in the first screen? |
| [02:34:00] | JeepJerk: | where mine is in .18 |
| [02:34:00] | Skaface: | would you be able to try the minimilist-wide theme? |
| [02:34:00] | ZMorek: | Skaface, your theme and menu style could determine where the setup menu is |
| [02:34:00] | JeepJerk: | there you go, thats a much better answer |
| [02:35:00] | ZMorek: | I know the menu style would affect where things are placed |
| [02:35:00] | Skaface: | its changed to a left to right style, i have all the menu functions apart from setup |
| [02:35:00] | ZMorek: | I'm sure if you just look around EVERYWHERE you'll come across it |
| [02:35:00] | ZMorek: | if not, there COULD be a bug in the theme |
| [02:35:00] | Skaface: | i did before i came here for help :P |
| [02:36:00] | ZMorek: | and this happens in all themes? |
| [02:36:00] | Skaface: | not sure, i cant get to the setup menu to change themes |
| [02:36:00] | ZMorek: | good point |
| [02:36:00] | Skaface: | hold on ill adjust the settings in the database |
| [02:37:00] | ZMorek: | just to warn you, I have the linux aptitude of a retarded monkey raised on windows, so advice from me should be taken with grain of salt |
| [02:39:00] | Skaface: | haha |
| [02:40:00] | j-rod: | later, boys and girls |
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| [02:41:00] | ZMorek: | owned |
| [02:41:00] | ZMorek: | any luck skaface? |
| [02:42:00] | Flimqy: | Is there any reason a 1mb vid card with TV-out would _not_ work for video playback to a TV at, say 640x480? The lack of memory shouldn't be a problem at that resolution, should it? |
| [02:43:00] | Skaface: | ok ive figured it out |
| [02:43:00] | Skaface: | i think its a bug |
| [02:43:00] | Beirdo: | WTF? |
| [02:43:00] | Skaface: | you know when theres other menu items out of the view of the screen |
| [02:43:00] | Skaface: | it puts a little down arrow on the screen |
| [02:43:00] | Beirdo: | why does gentoo now want to install xterm? |
| [02:44:00] | Skaface: | to show that you can scroll down further |
| [02:44:00] | Skaface: | when im running the minimalist-wide theme, you dont scroll up and down, you scroll left and right |
| [02:44:00] | Skaface: | but it still shows a little down arrow on the screen |
| [02:45:00] | Skaface: | so its waiting for you to go down to the setup menu which you can't do |
| [02:45:00] | Skaface: | because you have to go across to select different items |
| [02:45:00] | ZMorek: | so it's broken? |
| [02:45:00] | Skaface: | seems that way, yeah |
| [02:45:00] | ZMorek: | well I've got no idea where to report that |
| [02:46:00] | ZMorek: | 2 minutes of google should tell ya who to tell |
| [02:47:00] | Beirdo: | Cardoe: you in? |
| [02:47:00] | Skaface: | Note: Please report any issues with this theme to jdonavan@jdonavan.net with the subject "Minimalist feeedback". :) |
| [02:47:00] | ZMorek: | bingo |
| [02:49:00] | ZMorek: | I managed to break my install of mythtv and I think the atrpms are currently being tweaked... so when I go to apt-get dist-upgrade it gives me some weird error about myththemes |
| [02:50:00] | ZMorek: | guess I'll have to do wihtout tv for the night |
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| [02:50:00] | ZMorek: | :-( |
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| [02:52:00] | JeepJerk: | anyone here having issues getting mythtranscode to remove commercials when you start it from the frontend? |
| [02:54:00] | EricAnderson: | Hmm |
| [02:54:00] | EricAnderson: | Someone should make a MythTV LiveCD... specify a HD to save files to.... all your 'config' data and movies could go there... and poof! |
| [02:55:00] | kormoc: | knopmyth? |
| [02:58:00] | NightMonkey: | EricAnderson: Got Knoppmyth? |
| [02:59:00] | EricAnderson: | is that somethign that exists |
| [02:59:00] | NightMonkey: | EricAnderson: On this plane of existence, yes. |
| [03:00:00] | NightMonkey: | EricAnderson: http://mysettopbox.tv/ |
| [03:03:00] | Ashlar: | knoppmyth: 20 minutes from blank hard drive to live tv :) |
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| [03:04:00] | Beirdo: | gentoo is pissing me off |
| [03:04:00] | Beirdo: | it somehow thinks it needs xterm to install mplayer |
| [03:04:00] | Beirdo: | and it's not in the ebuild |
| [03:06:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Change USE flags lately? |
| [03:06:00] | Beirdo: | I updated the profile |
| [03:06:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: That could do it. |
| [03:06:00] | Beirdo: | but that doesn't make any difference.. xterm isn't in the damned ebuild at ALL |
| [03:06:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Let me dig out the proper dependency checker... |
| [03:07:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Try this, perhaps: "equery depends xterm" |
| [03:08:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:08:00] | stang: | Hey guys, can someone point me to a list of capture cards/tuners that is supported by mythtv/linux? |
| [03:08:00] | Beirdo: | command not found |
| [03:08:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Doh. I think it's part of "gentoolkit". |
| [03:09:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Yep. Try emerging it, gentoolkit is pretty useful. |
| [03:09:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: revdep-rebuild is a must, anyhow. |
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| [03:10:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Keeps even the scariest dependency chains at bay. ;) |
| [03:11:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: And, if you do ebuild development/customization, gentoolkit-dev is also very useful. |
| [03:11:00] | Beirdo: | I don't |
| [03:11:00] | Beirdo: | not at all |
| [03:11:00] | ernie: | anyone have myth 0.18 working? I just upgraded from 0.17 and have a screen size problem on the tv |
| [03:11:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Then, you don't need gentoolkit-dev. |
| [03:13:00] | Beirdo: | any way to tell it to recalculate dependancies? |
| [03:14:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: You could also try this: "emerge -p --emptytree world| grep -C2 xterm" and see what comes right after xterm. That's a likely candidate for what is pulling in xterm. |
| [03:14:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Well, you could see if the profile changed the default USE flags, by doing a "emerge --newuse -puD world". |
| [03:15:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Dang. equery came up empty for deps on xterm. |
| [03:16:00] | Esotericisms: | how do I stop xserver in fedora from the command line? |
| [03:16:00] | JeepJerk: | kill -9 <pid> |
| [03:18:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Sorry, do a "emerge --newuse -puvD world". That'll show you what USE flags actually changed since they were last emerged. |
| [03:19:00] | kormoc: | you shouldn't need the u, it shouldn't matter at all |
| [03:20:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Ah, is -u a noop option now? |
| [03:20:00] | kormoc: | nah |
| [03:21:00] | kormoc: | but -u is for updated packages, --new-use displays any packages that use flags have changed, and -D is deep, or all packages |
| [03:21:00] | Beirdo: | that doesn't tell me how to get rid of xterm |
| [03:21:00] | kormoc: | so -u and -D can't really coexist |
| [03:21:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, unmerge it and then stub it so it cna't get reinstalled? |
| [03:21:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: I see. Good to know. |
| [03:22:00] | Beirdo: | it's not installed |
| [03:22:00] | Beirdo: | it WANTS to install it |
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| [03:22:00] | Beirdo: | and I don't know why |
| [03:22:00] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [03:22:00] | kormoc: | with emerge -pu world? |
| [03:22:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: What does "emerge --newuse -pD world" say? |
| [03:22:00] | NightMonkey: | dang it |
| [03:23:00] | NightMonkey: | "emerge --newuse -pvD world" rather |
| [03:23:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, or how is it tring to emerge it? |
| [03:23:00] | Beirdo: | it says it wants to install xterm |
| [03:23:00] | kormoc: | and if you stub it, it will think it's installed so it won't actually ever install it |
| [03:23:00] | Beirdo: | and I don't know why |
| [03:23:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo with what? emerge -u world? emerge world? emerge system? |
| [03:23:00] | Beirdo: | emerge -p world |
| [03:24:00] | Beirdo: | or any variation thereof |
| [03:24:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: So, "emerge --newuse -pvD world" doesn't indicate any USE flag changes? |
| [03:24:00] | Beirdo: | I masked it, and then it bitched from mplayer |
| [03:24:00] | Beirdo: | NightMonkey: changes for WHAT? |
| [03:25:00] | Beirdo: | I don't have xterm installed now, what USE flag would possibly add it? |
| [03:25:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Um, you said you changed your profile. |
| [03:25:00] | kormoc: | none really |
| [03:25:00] | Beirdo: | yes, I did |
| [03:25:00] | kormoc: | a profile change would do it t ob ehonest |
| [03:25:00] | Beirdo: | I upgraded the profile |
| [03:25:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Um, just trying to help you. |
| [03:25:00] | kormoc: | or a package with it as a dependency |
| [03:25:00] | Beirdo: | so how do I fix this? |
| [03:26:00] | Machtyn: | you know... burning a dvd at 8x when the disc can only handle 4x can sometimes cause problems... darn |
| [03:26:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Change your profile back? |
| [03:26:00] | Beirdo: | I want to use the supported profile, not the old one |
| [03:26:00] | ** Machtyn created a FC3 dvd coaster ** | |
| [03:27:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, try this |
| [03:27:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, emerge --inject xterm |
| [03:27:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Ok, then, try doing "emerge --newuse -pvD world" and see what it says... |
| [03:27:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, it puts it as astub soit's "installed" when it's not |
| [03:27:00] | kormoc: | so the profile will think it's clean, but in reality it's not installed |
| [03:27:00] | Beirdo: | NightMonkey: I've done it many times, that is useless for figuring out why it's there now |
| [03:27:00] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [03:28:00] | Beirdo: | --inject is deprecated |
| [03:28:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Oh, you've emerged it? |
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| [03:28:00] | kormoc: | it is? |
| [03:28:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [03:28:00] | Beirdo: | no, I haven't emerged it |
| [03:28:00] | kormoc: | ack! |
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| [03:29:00] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Well, what was the output of the command, please. |
| [03:29:00] | Beirdo: | NightMonkey: about 200 lines |
| [03:29:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, --newuse won't show profile updates... |
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| [03:29:00] | kormoc: | profile changes are not use flag related |
| [03:29:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: If the profile changes the default USE flags it won't? |
| [03:29:00] | kormoc: | a profile is a set of basic software packages that it wants to install |
| [03:29:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Sure did for me when I've updated profiles and the _default_ USE flag settings changed... |
| [03:30:00] | Esotericisms: | question: (fedora) My sounds works when I am in kde .. but when I watch tv and such it isn't working .. any ideas? |
| [03:30:00] | kormoc: | sure, some of them, but that won't tell Beirdo why it wants to install xterm |
| [03:30:00] | Beirdo: | Esotericisms: yeah, turn off arts |
| [03:30:00] | Esotericisms: | Beirdo, turn off arts? |
| [03:30:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, so you said mplayer bitched bout not having xterm? |
| [03:31:00] | dmaneice: | does anyone know the xbox mythtv channel |
| [03:31:00] | Esotericisms: | Beirdo, how do I turn off arts? |
| [03:31:00] | Beirdo: | if I mask xterm, it bitches in mplayer, yes |
| [03:31:00] | Beirdo: | but there's no mention of xterm there |
| [03:32:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, that's oddish out the wazoo |
| [03:32:00] | Beirdo: | OK, injected x11-shells/xterm-200-r1 |
| [03:33:00] | Beirdo: | had to put it out in full |
| [03:33:00] | kormoc: | coolness |
| [03:33:00] | kormoc: | I'll look into it more when I have some time Beirdo, cause that's not right |
| [03:33:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, something's just frigging odd |
| [03:33:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:33:00] | Esotericisms: | hey Beirdo, how do I turn off arts? |
| [03:34:00] | Agrajag-: | artsshell --terminate |
| [03:34:00] | Agrajag-: | or artsshell --suspend if you just want to suspend it |
| [03:34:00] | Esotericisms: | what is arts? |
| [03:34:00] | Agrajag-: | sound server |
| [03:35:00] | Beirdo: | OK, I did the inject... still wants to emerge it |
| [03:36:00] | Agrajag-: | Beirdo what's made you try gentoo? :( |
| [03:36:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm ... still no sound |
| [03:36:00] | Beirdo: | I use it for my asterisk box |
| [03:38:00] | Beirdo: | doing another --sync |
| [03:38:00] | dmaneice: | has anyone hear ever used the xbox as a frontend |
| [03:38:00] | Esotericisms: | Beirdo, I still don't have any sound ... |
| [03:38:00] | dhofstra: | Esotericisms are you using a bttv card? or a PVR card? do you have sound in mythmusic and not mythtv? |
| [03:39:00] | Esotericisms: | hey dhofstra |
| [03:39:00] | Esotericisms: | bttv card |
| [03:39:00] | dhofstra: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.2 |
| [03:39:00] | Esotericisms: | haven't tryied mythmusic ... |
| [03:39:00] | dhofstra: | try the command line stuff to make sure your mixer is setup proper |
| [03:39:00] | dmaneice: | I want to update my backend but I don't if my xbox will still work |
| [03:40:00] | Esotericisms: | dhofstra, I can never get the first amixer command to work |
| [03:40:00] | Esotericisms: | it says unmute is not a valid playback option |
| [03:40:00] | dhofstra: | Esotericisms can you do 'alsamixer' from the command line? |
| [03:42:00] | Esotericisms: | yes |
| [03:42:00] | dhofstra: | well, using the arrow keys, and the space bar and the 'm' key, set the volume levels like those command lines state |
| [03:43:00] | dhofstra: | when done press esc to save and exit |
| [03:43:00] | Esotericisms: | if it is a green box is it muted or unmuted? |
| [03:43:00] | Esotericisms: | or filled box that is |
| [03:44:00] | figital: | can i ask a mythtv-on-xbox-xbmc question? |
| [03:44:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno, can you? |
| [03:44:00] | figital: | i'm trying to get mythtvfrontend running under xbmc on my xbox. I've got the python stuff running...sortof |
| [03:45:00] | figital: | The "Test connection" stuff fails with "error 15". I can, hwoever, see the program guide and the backend status stuff, so the xbox is definately talking to the backend. I cannot however, view shows. I get the same error |
| [03:45:00] | figital: | the error is actually, "reject 15" |
| [03:45:00] | Beirdo: | I don't know if anyone can really help you with that, we'll have to see |
| [03:46:00] | dmaneice: | I am also having a problem with my sound |
| [03:46:00] | figital: | do you normally have to do anything special to the backend to allow frontends from other machines? |
| [03:46:00] | figital: | aside from the mysql stuff... |
| [03:46:00] | dmaneice: | when I reboot my capture card is muted |
| [03:47:00] | dmaneice: | I have to goto into kmixer and unmute it |
| [03:47:00] | Beirdo: | just set it up correctly, figital |
| [03:47:00] | figital: | dmaneice, i seem to remember something about that in the howto I used. something about writing a setting to an init file so that it is set at boot time, everytime |
| [03:47:00] | dmaneice: | is there anyway to set it up so that when it boots it isn't muted |
| [03:48:00] | dmaneice: | did you use the jaron how to |
| [03:48:00] | figital: | Beirdo, i believe that i have set it up correctly ;) I don't know what I am missing |
| [03:48:00] | figital: | i used a gentoo-howto, i think |
| [03:48:00] | figital: | it was a while back |
| [03:49:00] | figital: | i wasn't sure if I had to add something to the backend to sort of authorize the frontends...otherwise, any yoohoo on the network would be able to connect, right? |
| [03:49:00] | Beirdo: | pretty sure it's covered in the docs |
| [03:50:00] | figital: | so you don't know? |
| [03:50:00] | figital: | i've looked for it but I can't find it. I don't even know if that's the case or not. can anyone confirm if it is the case that you must do something for each frontend, as sort of an authentication? |
| [03:51:00] | dhofstra: | dmaneice; if you use the alsactl store function, it should hold the volume setings trhough a reboot |
| [03:52:00] | figital: | i will search again... is the doc in question, the one on the mythtv.org site? |
| [03:52:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: All I had to do was make sure MySQL permissions for the mythconverg DB were correct. And that the mysql.txt file had the correct info. |
| [03:52:00] | figital: | NightMonkey, what do you have for dbhostname in your mysql.txt file? |
| [03:53:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: One moment, I'll check. |
| [03:53:00] | figital: | NightMonkey, thank you |
| [03:53:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: OK, I have the hostname of my backend box. |
| [03:53:00] | NightMonkey: | DBType=QMYSQL3 |
| [03:54:00] | figital: | i have mine set to localhost, which on the backend is true. on the frontend (xbox) i have the correct 192.168.0.xx ip set. I can see the program guide and stuff, which i assume is stored in mysql==i think my connection and sql settings are ok. i just can't watch files. |
| [03:54:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: DBName=mythconverg |
| [03:54:00] | figital: | also, the "test" command fails |
| [03:55:00] | figital: | I'm running .18 on the backend but .17 on the xbox...might that cause the trouble? |
| [03:55:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: Oh yes. |
| [03:55:00] | figital: | i'd hate to try downgrading the server |
| [03:55:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: How about upgrading the frontend? |
| [03:56:00] | figital: | the latest is .17 |
| [03:56:00] | figital: | .17–2 actually |
| [03:56:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: Did you backup your old DB before upgrading it? |
| [03:56:00] | figital: | i never upgraded |
| [03:56:00] | figital: | i started with .18 |
| [03:56:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: 'Cause I don't think the DB schema will be downgraded automagically... but I may be wrong. |
| [03:57:00] | figital: | that's ok |
| [03:57:00] | figital: | i don't have much. i can start fresh |
| [03:57:00] | figital: | so you are running .17 on both? |
| [03:57:00] | figital: | or are you not running xbmc-mythtv? |
| [03:57:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: Nope, 0.18 on all. I'm not using an XBOX. |
| [03:57:00] | figital: | ah ok |
| [03:58:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: But, you have to have all frontends match the backend version, I beleive. So, in this case, put 0.17 on your backend. |
| [03:59:00] | figital: | ok, i'll try that |
| [03:59:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: You can drop the mythconverg DB before installing 0.17, then just follow the docs. |
| [03:59:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: And you should be sitting pretty. |
| [03:59:00] | figital: | NightMonkey, thanks |
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| [04:00:00] | NightMonkey: | figital: Good luck :). |
| [04:00:00] | NightMonkey: | dogh |
| [04:00:00] | NightMonkey: | doh |
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| [04:05:00] | Esotericisms: | where are the docs on the xbox frontend deal? |
| [04:06:00] | awb4422: | is there any way to rebuild a package that i installed with apt to pass the configure script different options? |
| [04:07:00] | defaultro: | anyone here who is subscribed to directtv or dishnetwork with hdtv? |
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| [04:09:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: I think this is it: http://bit.blkbk.com/ |
| [04:11:00] | Esotericisms: | anyone messed with the xbox install here/ |
| [04:11:00] | defaultro: | or anyone here uses firewire to capture hdtv? |
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| [04:19:00] | MiX-MaN: | anyone know what i need to get divx to work with nuvexport? |
| [04:23:00] | flithm: | what's the deal with that anyway? why not just use mythtv's transcoding option? |
| [04:23:00] | MiX-MaN: | nuv seems to work a lil better |
| [04:23:00] | flithm: | yeah? like how? what do you mean 'better' exactly? |
| [04:23:00] | MiX-MaN: | well |
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| [04:24:00] | MiX-MaN: | last time i used the trasncoding option.. it filled my hdd complete full with junk in the log files |
| [04:25:00] | flithm: | hrmf... yeah that's no good |
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| [04:25:00] | MiX-MaN: | i had it working on my old system (the divx thing) but im trying a different nix now |
| [04:25:00] | MiX-MaN: | and cant seem to get it working |
| [04:26:00] | flithm: | another thing that sucks about it... at least in my experience, is the commercial skip doesn't work as well as prior to transcoding... don't know if nuvexport makes that any better |
| [04:26:00] | MiX-MaN: | i have all the divx bs already installed or so urpmi says i do |
| [04:26:00] | MiX-MaN: | well in the commerical case ;) |
| [04:26:00] | MiX-MaN: | i was watching live tv while nuv'ing a vid |
| [04:26:00] | MiX-MaN: | and all the cutpoints got outta wack cause of the CPU time they both were using |
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| [04:36:00] | Esotericisms: | so what is the best way to get the raw recordings into a different format to watch on my computer |
| [04:36:00] | Esotericisms: | is there a "preferred method" |
| [04:38:00] | MiX-MaN: | nuvexport |
| [04:38:00] | poonj: | PVR-500MCE |
| [04:38:00] | poonj: | how well does ivtv support dual recording? |
| [04:38:00] | Esotericisms: | MiX-MaN, is that an extra app that I need to install? |
| [04:39:00] | MiX-MaN: | Esotericisms: not sure |
| [04:39:00] | MiX-MaN: | i had to install mine extra |
| [04:39:00] | MiX-MaN: | but the other system i ran it came with it |
| [04:39:00] | Esotericisms: | do you have a link to a site that has docs? |
| [04:40:00] | MiX-MaN: | no docs yet |
| [04:40:00] | MiX-MaN: | but ill hook you up with were to get it |
| [04:40:00] | Esotericisms: | what is wrong with using transcode? |
| [04:40:00] | MiX-MaN: | http://forevermore.net/mythtv/ |
| [04:43:00] | Esotericisms: | hey MiX-MaN, what is up with the (disable) tags? |
| [04:43:00] | MiX-MaN: | Esotericisms: heh |
| [04:44:00] | MiX-MaN: | im in the same process tring to figure that out myself |
| [04:44:00] | Esotericisms: | k |
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| [04:46:00] | Esotericisms: | MiX-MaN, what distrib you running? |
| [04:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | mandrake 10 |
| [04:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | with myth .16 |
| [04:47:00] | Esotericisms: | alright, I don't remember off the top of my head but does mandrake have an emerge or apt? |
| [04:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | ya |
| [04:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | urpmi |
| [04:47:00] | Esotericisms: | do a search for mjpegtools |
| [04:48:00] | Esotericisms: | you need that |
| [04:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | hmm |
| [04:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | [root@mtv1 mythtv]# urpmi mjpegtools |
| [04:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | Everything already installed |
| [04:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | :( |
| [04:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | same for divx |
| [04:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | and ffmpeg |
| [04:48:00] | Esotericisms: | you get the (disabled) tags |
| [04:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | ya |
| [04:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | only on a few though |
| [04:49:00] | Esotericisms: | which ones? |
| [04:49:00] | MiX-MaN: | 1. Export to XviD (disabled) |
| [04:49:00] | MiX-MaN: | 6. Export to DivX (disabled) |
| [04:49:00] | MiX-MaN: | 7. Export to ASF (disabled) |
| [04:49:00] | MiX-MaN: | 8. Export to MP3 (disabled) |
| [04:49:00] | MiX-MaN: | 9. MPEG2->MPEG2 cut only (disabled) |
| [04:49:00] | MiX-MaN: | oh also tried xvid |
| [04:49:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm ... |
| [04:50:00] | Esotericisms: | when you run 'nuvexport' ... press 1 ... what error is returned? |
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| [04:50:00] | MiX-MaN: | Your ffmpeg installation doesn't support encoding to xvid. |
| [04:50:00] | MiX-MaN: | (It must be compiled with the --enable-xvid option) |
| [04:50:00] | MiX-MaN: | Press ENTER to continue. |
| [04:50:00] | MiX-MaN: | hmm |
| [04:50:00] | Esotericisms: | might I assume you can't transcode when you are recording? ... |
| [04:50:00] | Esotericisms: | there you go ... |
| [04:50:00] | MiX-MaN: | might have to redownload and recompile myself |
| [04:50:00] | Esotericisms: | yup |
| [04:50:00] | MiX-MaN: | ensted of useing urpmi :/ |
| [04:51:00] | Esotericisms: | just use urpmi to get the source code |
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| [04:51:00] | MiX-MaN: | also having the prob of my card randomly not working right |
| [04:51:00] | MiX-MaN: | cap card |
| [04:52:00] | MiX-MaN: | you gotta set the brightness and contrast man every now and then |
| [04:52:00] | Esotericisms: | that sucks ... I have audio issues |
| [04:52:00] | Esotericisms: | my audio is really really quiet |
| [04:52:00] | MiX-MaN: | hmm |
| [04:52:00] | MiX-MaN: | check "IGAIN" |
| [04:53:00] | Esotericisms: | and I have this annoying sound overlay .. .like what you hear when you listen to a 64 or 96 bit mp3 :( |
| [04:53:00] | Esotericisms: | where is igain? |
| [04:53:00] | MiX-MaN: | hmm |
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| [04:53:00] | MiX-MaN: | oh |
| [04:54:00] | MiX-MaN: | goto aumix |
| [04:54:00] | MiX-MaN: | there should be something called igain |
| [04:54:00] | Esotericisms: | I am in fedora not mandrake |
| [04:55:00] | MiX-MaN: | should be the same either way |
| [04:56:00] | Esotericisms: | I have other issues ... |
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| [04:57:00] | Esotericisms: | my capture card pauses like ever 1 second |
| [04:57:00] | MiX-MaN: | what kinda system are you running? |
| [04:58:00] | Esotericisms: | AMD Athlon 1800 XP+ with 256MB RAM (this is bad) ... 768 MB SWAP |
| [04:58:00] | Esotericisms: | but it should still be fine |
| [04:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | bout the same as my setup |
| [04:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | cept a 2800xp |
| [04:59:00] | Esotericisms: | my audio is jacked |
| [04:59:00] | MiX-MaN: | what kinda audio card? |
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| [04:59:00] | defaulr0: | Eso, what capture card are you using? |
| [04:59:00] | Esotericisms: | a shitty one :) |
| [04:59:00] | Esotericisms: | wintv go |
| [05:00:00] | defaulr0: | oh ok |
| [05:00:00] | defaulr0: | get a better one |
| [05:00:00] | defaulr0: | pvr250 |
| [05:00:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [05:00:00] | defaulr0: | :) |
| [05:00:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah i know ... need $$$$ |
| [05:00:00] | defaulr0: | it might only be irq conflicts |
| [05:00:00] | MiX-MaN: | great |
| [05:00:00] | Esotericisms: | either of you know anything about the xbox front end deal |
| [05:01:00] | MiX-MaN: | now x is crashing on me |
| [05:01:00] | defaulr0: | or dma is not enabled |
| [05:01:00] | defaulr0: | or cpu is not able to handle encoding |
| [05:01:00] | Esotericisms: | dma ... sound familiar ... where do I go look to see its status |
| [05:01:00] | defaulr0: | dmesg|grep DMA |
| [05:02:00] | defaulr0: | try that |
| [05:02:00] | MiX-MaN: | uhh wth |
| [05:02:00] | MiX-MaN: | ay 12 23:01:49 mtv1 kde3(pam_unix)[3543]: session closed for user mythtv |
| [05:02:00] | MiX-MaN: | May 12 23:01:49 mtv1 kernel: floppy0: no floppy controllers found |
| [05:02:00] | Esotericisms: | DMA Burst Bit ENABLED |
| [05:02:00] | Esotericisms: | seems to be enabled |
| [05:02:00] | defaulr0: | hmmm |
| [05:02:00] | defaulr0: | let me check my output |
| [05:03:00] | Esotericisms: | I shouldn't have an IRQ issue because my gfx is in my agp port |
| [05:03:00] | Esotericisms: | my capture card is in the last pci slot |
| [05:03:00] | Esotericisms: | and nothing is in my first pci slot (because agp and first pci sahre the same irq) |
| [05:04:00] | defaulr0: | ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000–0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA |
| [05:05:00] | defaulr0: | what about the output of this, hdparm -t /dev/hda |
| [05:05:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah mine is basically the same |
| [05:06:00] | defaulr0: | anyone here online that uses DCT6200 box? |
| [05:06:00] | Esotericisms: | defaulr0, 96 MB in 3.03 seconds = 31.69 KB/sec |
| [05:06:00] | defaulr0: | oh no |
| [05:06:00] | defaulr0: | did you write that down or copy? |
| [05:07:00] | defaulr0: | 31kb/sec? |
| [05:07:00] | Esotericisms: | MB/sec |
| [05:07:00] | defaulr0: | sigh |
| [05:07:00] | defaulr0: | :) |
| [05:07:00] | defaulr0: | lol |
| [05:07:00] | MiX-MaN: | he's just gotta fast ass 56k modem :) |
| [05:08:00] | Esotericisms: | man my audio is all jacked |
| [05:08:00] | defaulr0: | man, we are troubleshooting |
| [05:08:00] | Esotericisms: | figured out why my video playback was choppy |
| [05:08:00] | Esotericisms: | I was recording another show :/ |
| [05:08:00] | Esotericisms: | my bad ... |
| [05:08:00] | Esotericisms: | but my audio my last really nagging problem |
| [05:08:00] | defaulr0: | recording another show while playing a recorded show? |
| [05:09:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah basically ... I was just checking out the quality of stuff, etc ... |
| [05:09:00] | defaulr0: | oh ok |
| [05:09:00] | defaulr0: | go read the mythtv docs, they have a nice benchmarch on how machine perform |
| [05:09:00] | Esotericisms: | my audio is jacked ... it is really really quiet and there is annoying electric static (like if you have a speak jacked all the way up) |
| [05:09:00] | defaulr0: | i think, they mentioned 1800 there |
| [05:10:00] | Esotericisms: | k |
| [05:10:00] | defaulr0: | am glad with air2pc because it does not use cpu to encode streams |
| [05:11:00] | defaulr0: | so even if i'm recording hd, and playing a recorded hd, performance is still excellent |
| [05:11:00] | Esotericisms: | how much? |
| [05:11:00] | NightMonkey: | Yo, heads up, people: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/ . . . 5&tid=17 |
| [05:11:00] | defaulr0: | it was $168 before but now $77 |
| [05:11:00] | Esotericisms: | hrm ... |
| [05:11:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [05:11:00] | defaulr0: | on ebay though |
| [05:11:00] | NightMonkey: | Not a good time to share your recordings... |
| [05:12:00] | defaulr0: | but not sure if those cards are the same as what I bought last January |
| [05:12:00] | Esotericisms: | can't anyone help me troubleshoot my audio problems? |
| [05:13:00] | defaulr0: | NightMonkey, what's your point on that link? |
| [05:13:00] | MiX-MaN: | is the tv wonder elite supported with ivtv? |
| [05:14:00] | MiX-MaN: | or supported at all for that matter |
| [05:14:00] | defaulr0: | there is a list of hardware supported in mythtv.org |
| [05:14:00] | NightMonkey: | defaulr0: For people to see that the MPAA is targeting TV torrents, perhaps? |
| [05:15:00] | NightMonkey: | defaulr0: And that they shouldn't do it? |
| [05:15:00] | defaulr0: | ok. I thought, you were looking for the bright side which is "ok to record tv shows" :) |
| [05:15:00] | NightMonkey: | defaulr0: No, no. I really want the Official MythTV universe to be in the clear. I don't share my shows, except for engineering purposes. |
| [05:16:00] | NightMonkey: | defaulr0: Like, to assist with commercial detection development. |
| [05:16:00] | defaulr0: | cool |
| [05:16:00] | defaulr0: | I'm also against sharing shows |
| [05:16:00] | NightMonkey: | defaulr0: And even when I do that, my e-mails read like a EULA... ;) |
| [05:16:00] | defaulr0: | that's why I always buy original dvs |
| [05:16:00] | defaulr0: | dvds |
| [05:16:00] | Esotericisms: | damnit ... my audio is driving me crazy |
| [05:17:00] | defaulr0: | I don't know why other people doesn't like to buy original ones :9 |
| [05:17:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Try playing some other song, maybe? No more "Warpigs"? |
| [05:17:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: ;) |
| [05:17:00] | defaulr0: | hey Night, what are your capture cards? |
| [05:18:00] | NightMonkey: | defaulr0: PVR-350. |
| [05:18:00] | Esotericisms: | my audio is fine outside of myth in tvtime for example |
| [05:18:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: You using alsa? |
| [05:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have no problem with people sharing shows. But I do buy stuff I like when it comes out on DVD |
| [05:18:00] | Esotericisms: | NightMonkey, yess |
| [05:18:00] | defaulr0: | Greyfoxx, I should have been detailed |
| [05:18:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: And alsaconf detected your card correctly and set up your modules? |
| [05:18:00] | defaulr0: | My friends borrow my dvds, but I hate it when they copy it :( |
| [05:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: for example I have over the last several years downloaded every single episode of Stargate SG1. BUT I bought ever single season as soon as it came out on DVD |
| [05:19:00] | Esotericisms: | I never ran alsaconf exactly ... but red hat fedora recognized it |
| [05:19:00] | defaulr0: | ok |
| [05:19:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Well, perhaps fedors didn't configure it correctly? |
| [05:20:00] | defaulr0: | Hey Greyfoxx, I couldn't recall your setup. Are you recording hd? |
| [05:20:00] | NightMonkey: | fedors=fedora |
| [05:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: Nope. |
| [05:20:00] | defaulr0: | ok |
| [05:20:00] | defaulr0: | I wanted to talk to someone who records HD over firewire |
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| [05:21:00] | Esotericisms: | maybe |
| [05:21:00] | defaulr0: | do you have any updates about Broadcast Flag? |
| [05:21:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Try alsaconf. Then reboot or run "/etc/init.d/alsasound restart", or Fedora's equivalent startup script. |
| [05:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm told that my local cable company broadcasts HD in the clear, but I don't own anything that I can use to record it. And I'm hesitant to pick up an air2pc incase my informant is wrong :) |
| [05:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: Other than it being struct down no |
| [05:22:00] | defaulr0: | I cancelled my airp2c an hour ago |
| [05:22:00] | defaulr0: | :) |
| [05:22:00] | Esotericisms: | k |
| [05:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | I wasn't directly affected by the Broadcast Flag anyway, but I'm sure it would have ended up affecting me sooner or later |
| [05:23:00] | defaulr0: | i saw brief topic about BF in the news the other day and everyone that were interviewed were against BF being implemented |
| [05:23:00] | defaulr0: | i thinks it was FOX channel |
| [05:24:00] | defaulr0: | a president of an engineering company was also interviewed. All I remember that he said was, "if they enable that, a lot of technology development will be hindered" |
| [05:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [05:25:00] | Esotericisms: | damnit now my sounds is gone completely |
| [05:25:00] | defaulr0: | so looks like BF will not happen, I hope |
| [05:25:00] | defaulr0: | :) |
| [05:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm just glad that so far my country hasn't fallen victim to any of the dmca, RIAA, or MPAA foolishness |
| [05:25:00] | Esotericisms: | what country is that? |
| [05:25:00] | defaulr0: | :) |
| [05:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | Canada |
| [05:26:00] | defaulr0: | do you have HD broadcast there? |
| [05:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | You bean the ATSC stuff? In the larger cities |
| [05:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | but None here, or so I'm told |
| [05:26:00] | defaulr0: | ok |
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| [05:27:00] | defaulr0: | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/003555.php |
| [05:28:00] | defaulr0: | tell me if my eyes are reading it correctly |
| [05:28:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: What does alsamixer say? Did you unmute your outputs? |
| [05:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: What are you uncertain of ? |
| [05:29:00] | defaulr0: | not being able to record high quality hd |
| [05:29:00] | defaulr0: | or only able to record downgraded quality of HD and that is SD quality |
| [05:29:00] | Esotericisms: | I did unmute ... but you are suppose to mute the line in and myth is suppose to unmute it when necessary |
| [05:30:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Well, take it stepwise. Can you play a .wav file and get sound? |
| [05:30:00] | Esotericisms: | yes |
| [05:31:00] | Esotericisms: | I can get sound now ... |
| [05:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: Looks pretty clear to me, BF is dead unless they can get Congress to push it through |
| [05:31:00] | Esotericisms: | just myth isn't interfacing with alsa like is was |
| [05:31:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: OK, good. So now, the problem is Myth? |
| [05:31:00] | Esotericisms: | yes it has always been myth technically |
| [05:31:00] | ** GreyFoxx finishes putting his new dvd player back together ** | |
| [05:31:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: What device is the Mythfrontend setup set to use? |
| [05:31:00] | defaulr0: | that's a bad word Eso :) |
| [05:32:00] | defaulr0: | what's your new dvd player? |
| [05:32:00] | Esotericisms: | ./dev/dsp |
| [05:32:00] | NightMonkey: | ? |
| [05:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | And LG LDA-530, players everything, windows media, divx, xvid, .mpg, jpegs, dvd's burned in any format, and will play any region dvd |
| [05:33:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: ./dev/dsp ? Is there really a period there? |
| [05:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | I took it apart to check out the inside |
| [05:33:00] | defaulr0: | wow |
| [05:33:00] | Esotericisms: | no |
| [05:33:00] | Esotericisms: | just did it so it would display ... mirc commands preficed with / |
| [05:33:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: OK. Now, what does ls -lah /dev/dsp say? |
| [05:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: So far it has played every thing I've given it |
| [05:33:00] | defaulr0: | badabing ;) |
| [05:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | years worth of burned CDs and DVDs with various videos on them |
| [05:33:00] | defaulr0: | pretty good choice |
| [05:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | $90 CDN, so it was nice n cheap too :) |
| [05:34:00] | defaulr0: | yep |
| [05:34:00] | defaulr0: | Since you're in Canada, you must be familiar with Paradigm speakers |
| [05:34:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Some distros have /dev/sound/dsp, if they haven't made a symlink to /dev/dsp. |
| [05:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | Now, if only I could make it network aware. (I didn't want to pay the extra $$$ for a momistu DVD player) |
| [05:35:00] | Esotericisms: | um ... |
| [05:35:00] | defaulr0: | oh ok |
| [05:35:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: "ls -lah /dev/dsp", please? |
| [05:35:00] | Esotericisms: | it sas crw------- |
| [05:35:00] | Beirdo: | since you are in the USA you must not be familiar with geography. |
| [05:35:00] | Beirdo: | oh wait :) |
| [05:35:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: The full line, plz. |
| [05:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: Not really |
| [05:35:00] | defaulr0: | oh ok |
| [05:35:00] | defaulr0: | coz the makers of Paradigm are situated in Canada |
| [05:35:00] | defaulr0: | I love their speakers |
| [05:35:00] | Esotericisms: | crw------- 1 mythtv root 14, 3 May 13 00:34 /dev/dsp |
| [05:36:00] | Esotericisms: | ./dev/dsp highlighted in black |
| [05:36:00] | Esotericisms: | think it is a link |
| [05:36:00] | defaulr0: | Good evening Beirdo :) |
| [05:36:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Nah, that means its a device file, generally. |
| [05:36:00] | Esotericisms: | I just did a /etc/init.d/alsasound restart ... |
| [05:36:00] | Esotericisms: | it returns this |
| [05:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cool, a 25 pin port which no headers on it....wonder what that is for |
| [05:36:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Why does mythtv own it and no other user has access? |
| [05:36:00] | defaulr0: | serial? |
| [05:37:00] | Esotericisms: | '/usr/sbin/alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...' |
| [05:37:00] | Esotericisms: | NightMonkey, I don't know |
| [05:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe, Or maybe an SCART interface if that is the right number of pins |
| [05:37:00] | Esotericisms: | show I change the permissions? |
| [05:37:00] | defaulr0: | Eso, do an lsmod|grep snd |
| [05:37:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Hmm... Sorry, what's your sound card? |
| [05:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | scart is 21 pins |
| [05:37:00] | Esotericisms: | on board ... just sec |
| [05:37:00] | Esotericisms: | alsaconf found my card btw |
| [05:38:00] | Agrajag-: | Esotericisms: you need to load the module for it before starting alsa |
| [05:38:00] | defaulr0: | i was telling him to execute lsmod|grep snd |
| [05:38:00] | Esotericisms: | ok .. just sec |
| [05:38:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Did you do a "modules-update" after alsaconf? |
| [05:38:00] | Esotericisms: | no |
| [05:38:00] | defaulr0: | Eso, you have 3 more minutes and they will start charging you :0 |
| [05:38:00] | Esotericisms: | how? |
| [05:38:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Give that a shot. Or "update-modules". Whichever works. |
| [05:39:00] | Esotericisms: | neither |
| [05:39:00] | NightMonkey: | defaulr0: heh |
| [05:39:00] | Esotericisms: | ... :/ |
| [05:39:00] | defaulr0: | :) |
| [05:39:00] | Esotericisms: | defaulr0, what am I looking for with 'lsmod | grep snd' |
| [05:39:00] | defaulr0: | just tell us the result if there was |
| [05:39:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Any output at all... |
| [05:39:00] | Esotericisms: | yes a lot |
| [05:40:00] | defaulr0: | oh ok |
| [05:40:00] | Esotericisms: | don;t know what the modules update command is btw |
| [05:40:00] | defaulr0: | can you paste it to pastebin.com |
| [05:40:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Sorry, what's your distro, again? |
| [05:40:00] | Esotericisms: | fedora |
| [05:40:00] | Esotericisms: | pastebin.com? |
| [05:40:00] | Esotericisms: | k |
| [05:40:00] | defaulr0: | yup |
| [05:40:00] | defaulr0: | put your nick and paste it |
| [05:41:00] | defaulr0: | then send us the new link |
| [05:42:00] | Esotericisms: | http://pastebin.com/283535 |
| [05:42:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: But, again, you can _currently_ play sounds, right? Or does that not work now either? |
| [05:42:00] | Esotericisms: | no I can play sounds |
| [05:43:00] | defaulr0: | oh ok |
| [05:43:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: What user do you run mythfrontend as? |
| [05:43:00] | Esotericisms: | at least the fedora detect sound card works |
| [05:43:00] | defaulr0: | so sound module is loaded fine then |
| [05:43:00] | Esotericisms: | and I can play the test soudn they have just fine |
| [05:43:00] | Esotericisms: | I run mythfrontend with user mythtv |
| [05:43:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: And what is the setting in the setup for the sound device? |
| [05:44:00] | Esotericisms: | running setup ... let me look |
| [05:44:00] | defaulr0: | Eso, i'm on fc3 too but have never tried using mythtv(i know, the doc says to use mythtv). What if you run it as root? |
| [05:44:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Not the mythtvsetup. The Setup in Mythfrontend. |
| [05:45:00] | Esotericisms: | running as root ... trying |
| [05:45:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: No! |
| [05:45:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: As mythtv... |
| [05:45:00] | defaulr0: | Night, I've been running myth as root for a long time |
| [05:45:00] | defaulr0: | i know it's a bad idea |
| [05:45:00] | NightMonkey: | defaulr0: No, that's not a problem. He's got mythtv as owner of /dev/dsp... |
| [05:46:00] | NightMonkey: | phone |
| [05:46:00] | defaulr0: | oh ok |
| [05:46:00] | Esotericisms: | root isn't restricted to permissions |
| [05:46:00] | defaulr0: | however, when running as root, it gets more priority |
| [05:46:00] | defaulr0: | exactly |
| [05:46:00] | defaulr0: | try running mythfronted as root |
| [05:46:00] | defaulr0: | just for fun |
| [05:46:00] | Esotericisms: | alright I am in mythfrontend setup ... what am I looking for |
| [05:46:00] | Esotericisms: | it can't access the sound thing |
| [05:47:00] | defaulr0: | wait for NightM |
| [05:47:00] | Esotericisms: | Audio Output: /dev/dsp |
| [05:47:00] | Esotericisms: | Use Internal Volumne Controls |
| [05:47:00] | Esotericisms: | Mixer Device: /dev/mixer |
| [05:47:00] | Esotericisms: | Mixer Controls: PCM |
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| [06:07:00] | RossTFarian: | I can't get mtd to work when anything but a perfect rip... am I missing something obvious? (yes... transcode is installed ;) |
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| [06:14:00] | simcop2387: | anyone working on a plugin that lowers the volume of commercials from 1200dBi to a normal volume (or lower?) |
| [06:14:00] | simcop2387: | er just dB |
| [06:14:00] | RossTFarian: | just cut 'em out :) |
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| [06:15:00] | simcop2387: | RossTFarian: hard to cut them out in livetv |
| [06:16:00] | RossTFarian: | timestretch to 0.8 and skip over commercials with ffwd :) |
| [06:16:00] | simcop2387: | wastes time |
| [06:17:00] | RossTFarian: | at least you're not wasting it watching commercials |
| [06:19:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [06:19:00] | Agrajag-: | just mute commercials if you're watching live tv – less error prone too |
| [06:21:00] | MiX-MaN: | is there a speical way to upgrade myth... or do i just download/compile like i would if i was installing a new copy |
| [06:22:00] | Agrajag-: | yep just that |
| [06:22:00] | RossTFarian: | just compile and install mythtv first and then build and install mythplugins |
| [06:22:00] | MiX-MaN: | hmm |
| [06:22:00] | MiX-MaN: | sux |
| [06:22:00] | MiX-MaN: | i did that |
| [06:22:00] | Agrajag-: | when you first run mythtv-setup it'll upgrade your db |
| [06:22:00] | MiX-MaN: | still says im running .16 |
| [06:23:00] | Agrajag-: | you probably are then |
| [06:23:00] | Agrajag-: | uninstall it |
| [06:23:00] | RossTFarian: | did you set prefix to /usr? did you kill and restart mythbackend and mythfrontend |
| [06:23:00] | Agrajag-: | don't set the prefix to /usr if you're compiling from source.. |
| [06:23:00] | MiX-MaN: | did'nt mess with prefix |
| [06:23:00] | MiX-MaN: | but i did restart the backend |
| [06:24:00] | Agrajag-: | i reckon you probably have 2 versions installed |
| [06:24:00] | RossTFarian: | Agrajag- : depends what you want to do :) |
| [06:24:00] | Agrajag-: | well if you want to make a mess of your system, --prefix=/usr would be the way to go :P |
| [06:24:00] | RossTFarian: | why's that? |
| [06:25:00] | RossTFarian: | you can make a mess out of your system anywhere you want ;) |
| [06:25:00] | Agrajag-: | well /usr/local is the place for non package managed stuff |
| [06:25:00] | NightMonkey: | sorry, back |
| [06:26:00] | Agrajag-: | if you go putting stuff in /usr, you'll end up creating big problems |
| [06:26:00] | MiX-MaN: | hmm.. so i should just uninstall and reinstall |
| [06:26:00] | Agrajag-: | because it'll conflict with stuff that's done with package management |
| [06:26:00] | Agrajag-: | MiX-MaN: no.. just uninstall the 0.16 you have |
| [06:27:00] | MiX-MaN: | ill give it a shot |
| [06:27:00] | MiX-MaN: | thx |
| [06:27:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: So, where do you stand? |
| [06:28:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Did you run mythfrontend as your normal myth user? |
| [06:28:00] | NightMonkey: | Esotericisms: Ping? |
| [06:29:00] | RossTFarian: | shoot – I can't run rip/transcode in the background, can i? |
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| [06:31:00] | NightMonkey: | brb |
| [06:32:00] | Flimzy: | Can anyone recommend a good source (in the U.S.) for an IR receiver? |
| [06:35:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: if you have the EE knowledge build one yourself for LIRC |
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| [06:36:00] | Flimzy: | simcop2387: Is that significantly cheaper than buying a prefab one? |
| [06:36:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: dunno i still haven't built or bought one |
| [06:37:00] | MiX-MaN: | sweet.. that fix0red it |
| [06:37:00] | Flimzy: | heh |
| [06:37:00] | Flimzy: | Well I don't mind making one, but if I can buy one for less than twice the price, I'd rather do that. |
| [06:37:00] | simcop2387: | i know it wont be horrendesly expensive, probably about $15 or so, depending on how nice you want it to look |
| [06:37:00] | Flimzy: | Which gets me back to my original question... where might I buy one? :) |
| [06:38:00] | Flimzy: | Yeah, the instructions on the lirc web site show $15.07 for the example one he built |
| [06:38:00] | Flimzy: | And they link to a supplier of prefab receivers... but it's in .de |
| [06:38:00] | Flimzy: | and I don't speak German (not to mention, I'd rather not pay overseas shipping prices) |
| [06:42:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: check the lirc mail archives theres a couple of threads about that, one of them was fairly recent (<1month or so) |
| [06:42:00] | Flimzy: | simcop2387: thanks |
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| [07:00:00] | laga: | Flimzy: you should have paid more attention in school ;) |
| [07:02:00] | Flimzy: | laga: paid more attention to? |
| [07:02:00] | Flimzy: | laga: German? |
| [07:02:00] | Flimzy: | laga: Nah, I took Spanish (not that I can speak that, either) |
| [07:02:00] | Skaface: | does anyone here happen to have a panasonic plasma tv? |
| [07:03:00] | laga: | Flimzy: que tal? ;) |
| [07:03:00] | Flimzy: | Okay, so I've just installed the Debian mythtv packages, and when I attempt to start mythbackend, it complains "error creating /root/.qt" |
| [07:03:00] | Flimzy: | WTF is that all about? Why is it even trying to write to /root in the firstplace? |
| [07:04:00] | laga: | Flimzy: because you're starting it as root. the error doesnt matter, though. at least it didnt for me. |
| [07:04:00] | Flimzy: | laga: I started it as /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start |
| [07:05:00] | Flimzy: | Even so, it's not working.... complaining of illegal instructions. Altho maybe that's an entirely different problem. |
| [07:05:00] | laga: | Flimzy: illegal instructions? it's probably compiled for the wrong cpu, dunno |
| [07:05:00] | ** laga is not awake yet ** | |
| [07:05:00] | Flimzy: | that would be my guess, too. |
| [07:05:00] | Flimzy: | And quite annoying |
| [07:05:00] | Flimzy: | heh |
| [07:05:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [07:05:00] | laga: | be a real man and compile your own ;) |
| [07:06:00] | Flimzy: | I'm half a step ahead of you already |
| [07:06:00] | Flimzy: | but only half a step |
| [07:06:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [07:06:00] | laga: | wget http://www.mythtv.org/mc/mythtv-0.18.tar.bz2? ;) |
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| [07:07:00] | Flimzy: | nah |
| [07:07:00] | Flimzy: | apt-get source |
| [07:08:00] | Flimzy: | assuming that will work |
| [07:08:00] | Flimzy: | (I sure hope it does) |
| [07:08:00] | Flimzy: | looks good so far |
| [07:09:00] | Flimzy: | it runs just fine on my Athlon |
| [07:09:00] | Flimzy: | but not on the K6–3 |
| [07:09:00] | Flimzy: | silly CPU optimizations |
| [07:10:00] | Flimzy: | We shoulda stopped making better CPUs with the 286 |
| [07:10:00] | Flimzy: | Then I wouldn't be having this problem right now! |
| [07:12:00] | laga: | hehe |
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| [07:15:00] | Flimzy: | Scratch that |
| [07:15:00] | Flimzy: | we should still be using Commodore 64's |
| [07:15:00] | Flimzy: | That came standard with working TV-output |
| [07:15:00] | Flimzy: | I spent the better half of my day today getting TV-out working on this dang PC!! |
| [07:16:00] | Flimzy: | And now that it's working... it looks like my Commodore 64 did! |
| [07:16:00] | laga: | lol |
| [07:16:00] | laga: | what card? |
| [07:16:00] | Flimzy: | a... uh... |
| [07:16:00] | Flimzy: | CyberPro 2000 |
| [07:16:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: fire up Potty Pigeon! best c64 game evar! |
| [07:16:00] | laga: | Flimzy: chipset? |
| [07:16:00] | Flimzy: | simcop2387: hehe. I have that on a floppy around here somewhere.... |
| [07:16:00] | Flimzy: | laga: CyberPro 2000 :) |
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| [07:17:00] | Flimzy: | laga: 'Twas made by InteGraphics... (defunct?). Apparantly came in NetWinders (whatever those are) |
| [07:17:00] | Flimzy: | laga: From the looks of things on Google, I'm the first person on the planet to ever try using it in an actual PC :P |
| [07:17:00] | Flimzy: | laga: I honestly have no idea where I found it. But I've had it for ~3 years |
| [07:17:00] | Flimzy: | has only 1mb of vid ram |
| [07:18:00] | Flimzy: | strangest config I've ever seen in a vid card |
| [07:18:00] | Flimzy: | but hopefully it'll do the trick |
| [07:18:00] | Flimzy: | I'm a bit concerned that it may only support greyscale, tho |
| [07:18:00] | Flimzy: | at least to the TV |
| [07:18:00] | simcop2387: | haha |
| [07:19:00] | Flimzy: | If that turns out to be the case, my $0 MythTV setup will be no more |
| [07:19:00] | Flimzy: | and I'll hafta break down and buy a Voodoo 3 or something |
| [07:19:00] | Flimzy: | Or perhaps find an S-Video to RCA adaptor |
| [07:19:00] | Flimzy: | and use a Voodoo Banshee |
| [07:20:00] | simcop2387: | they make them, one came with my GF3 Ti years ago |
| [07:20:00] | Flimzy: | The question will become... can I find an S-Video->RCA adaptor or another TV-out card cheaper? |
| [07:20:00] | simcop2387: | never had much luck with auto detect through it so i have to force it to work |
| [07:21:00] | simcop2387: | dunno i've never found one in a B&M store |
| [07:21:00] | Flimzy: | B&M? |
| [07:21:00] | simcop2387: | Brick and Mortar |
| [07:21:00] | Flimzy: | ah |
| [07:21:00] | Flimzy: | Well old Voodoo cards with TV out are no doubt very cheap on eBay |
| [07:21:00] | Flimzy: | so I'll probably go that route |
| [07:21:00] | simcop2387: | heh |
| [07:22:00] | simcop2387: | might do better to get a GF3 cheap on ebay then you have good driver support also |
| [07:22:00] | Flimzy: | All I really wanna do is watch downloaded movies/TV episodes in my living room... and thus on my TV |
| [07:22:00] | simcop2387: | yea |
| [07:22:00] | Flimzy: | simcop2387: not a bad thought |
| [07:23:00] | Flimzy: | I've been working on burning TV shows to DVD... |
| [07:23:00] | Flimzy: | But then found this tv-out card I forgot I had |
| [07:23:00] | simcop2387: | my old GF3 Ti 200 did great for that |
| [07:23:00] | Flimzy: | and gave me the idea of setting up MythTV and saving the hours of transcoding to DVD |
| [07:24:00] | simcop2387: | yea i'm wanting to build my own cheap box for that, i'm thinking about getting a cheap xbox and modding it for linux then putting mythfrontend on it and grabbing videos off my file server |
| [07:24:00] | Flimzy: | I thought of that, too. |
| [07:24:00] | Flimzy: | Altho first on my hardware shopping list will be a new fileserver |
| [07:24:00] | laga: | Flimzy: i'd go with an geforce 4 fx or fx5200. htey're cheap and support XvMC which is prolly a good thing with your k6–3 450 |
| [07:24:00] | Flimzy: | it's only a K6–3/450 right now... (and the machine I'm turning into my MythTV box) |
| [07:25:00] | Flimzy: | what is XvMC? |
| [07:25:00] | laga: | Flimzy: hardware-suppordted mpg2 decoding. |
| [07:25:00] | Flimzy: | Ah |
| [07:25:00] | Flimzy: | that would be handy |
| [07:25:00] | laga: | yep. |
| [07:25:00] | Flimzy: | I have a GF4 MX in my main box |
| [07:25:00] | Flimzy: | but that probably doesn't have any cool features at all |
| [07:26:00] | simcop2387: | 5200? i'll have to check which kind i've got... |
| [07:26:00] | laga: | Flimzy: only if you're using a card that provides mpeg2 ;) |
| [07:26:00] | Flimzy: | actually |
| [07:26:00] | simcop2387: | and how to enable it... |
| [07:26:00] | Flimzy: | it does have a TV-out port |
| [07:26:00] | Flimzy: | fun! |
| [07:26:00] | laga: | Flimzy: i meant to say geforce 4mx, sorry. |
| [07:26:00] | laga: | Flimzy: rip it out there then ;) |
| [07:26:00] | Flimzy: | does the MX support the mpeg2 decoding, too? |
| [07:26:00] | laga: | Flimzy: yep. it's more like mpeg acceleration in hardware, not complete decoding. |
| [07:26:00] | Flimzy: | interesting |
| [07:27:00] | Flimzy: | I'll hafta find another one (I may have a friend with a spare I gave him a while back... I'll hafta check on that) |
| [07:27:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [07:27:00] | laga: | and i gotta run to school now, i'm already one hour too late ;) |
| [07:27:00] | Flimzy: | ack |
| [07:27:00] | Flimzy: | go |
| [07:28:00] | MiX-MaN: | jesus 1:30 am here |
| [07:28:00] | MiX-MaN: | bed time not school time ;) |
| [07:28:00] | Flimzy: | he must go to one of those 3rd-shift schools |
| [07:28:00] | laga: | bye. may the mythtv be with you |
| [07:28:00] | laga: | Flimzy: timezones... ;)) |
| [07:29:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [07:29:00] | Flimzy: | "Evening classes available" |
| [07:29:00] | MiX-MaN: | hmm chris rock and adam sandler made a movie |
| [07:29:00] | MiX-MaN: | the longest yard.. wonder how thats gonna turn out |
| [07:29:00] | Flimzy: | it's a remake I think |
| [07:30:00] | Flimzy: | the original came out in the 70's or so, IIRC |
| [07:30:00] | MiX-MaN: | ah |
| [07:30:00] | Flimzy: | wow... found a lot of 4 440MX's for $29 on eBay |
| [07:30:00] | Flimzy: | I'll hafta place a bid |
| [07:30:00] | Flimzy: | having some extras would certianly be handy |
| [07:30:00] | MiX-MaN: | gf4? |
| [07:31:00] | Flimzy: | aye |
| [07:31:00] | MiX-MaN: | not bad |
| [07:31:00] | Flimzy: | and a 5.1 PCI sound card, and some other AGP vid card |
| [07:32:00] | Flimzy: | 2 days left, price could jump a bit |
| [07:34:00] | Flimzy: | Hrm... the mythtv Debian source package claims to depend on libdvd-dev. Does it really mean libdvdread3-dev or somesuch? |
| [07:34:00] | MiX-MaN: | no clue.. it has so many dependeces its hard to tell |
| [07:35:00] | Flimzy: | indeed |
| [07:38:00] | Flimzy: | well that package doesn't exist anywhere in Debian proper |
| [07:38:00] | Flimzy: | I'll zap that dependancy, then see if it builds anyway |
| [07:42:00] | Flimzy: | Are there any good video cards with hardware _encoding_ at a reasonable price? |
| [07:42:00] | MiX-MaN: | i think the pvr's arent too badly priced |
| [07:43:00] | Flimzy: | Hauppaugge? |
| [07:43:00] | MiX-MaN: | ya |
| [07:43:00] | Flimzy: | I have one of their old cards... a 401 I think |
| [07:44:00] | MiX-MaN: | i would go for a x50 series |
| [07:44:00] | Flimzy: | Looks like a PVR-150 is $75 on pricewatch |
| [07:44:00] | MiX-MaN: | not bad |
| [07:44:00] | Flimzy: | First I'll see how much capturing I'm going to really be doing |
| [07:44:00] | MiX-MaN: | i cant wait till i get a lil cash |
| [07:44:00] | MiX-MaN: | gonna make a bad ass setup |
| [07:45:00] | Flimzy: | I'm surprised the price of the GeForce4 MX 440 hasn't gone down more. I bought mine brand new over 2 years ago for $40 |
| [07:45:00] | Flimzy: | they're $36 right now |
| [07:45:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [07:45:00] | MiX-MaN: | i bought my ti440 for like 180 bucks |
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| [07:46:00] | Flimzy: | I don't see that model on pricewatch at all right now. But a TI420 is $59, and the TI4800 is $82 |
| [07:46:00] | Flimzy: | It looks like all I can get for under $50 will be another MX 440 |
| [07:46:00] | MiX-MaN: | hmm maybe its the 4800 |
| [07:46:00] | Flimzy: | maybe I'll go for a 4200 or something |
| [07:46:00] | MiX-MaN: | i hate gforce myself |
| [07:46:00] | Flimzy: | I don't know crap about video cards any more |
| [07:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | thats why its in the pvr |
| [07:47:00] | Flimzy: | I'm not a big fan, either... but they seem the best option for Linux right now |
| [07:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | gotta ati 9800 in my main machine |
| [07:47:00] | Flimzy: | I hate ATI even more than geforce |
| [07:47:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [07:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [07:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | what u use? |
| [07:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | trident? :) |
| [07:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [07:48:00] | Flimzy: | there's a GeForce FX 5200 for ~$50 |
| [07:48:00] | Flimzy: | I have a GeForce at the moment. |
| [07:48:00] | Flimzy: | And my second head is running on an old Matrox Mellinium. hehe |
| [07:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | matrox has some nice cards |
| [07:48:00] | Flimzy: | Not the ones I have... but then mine is 10 years old :) |
| [07:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | they had a triple head awhile back that i wanted bad |
| [07:49:00] | Flimzy: | I could get a Radeon 9000 on my budget |
| [07:49:00] | MiX-MaN: | for the pvr? |
| [07:49:00] | Flimzy: | I'm thinking of moving my GeForce4 MX 440 to the PVR |
| [07:50:00] | Flimzy: | and replacing it with something better in my desktop |
| [07:50:00] | MiX-MaN: | ah |
| [07:50:00] | MiX-MaN: | well a 9000 isnt better then the 440 |
| [07:50:00] | Flimzy: | But I'm discouraged at the options... |
| [07:50:00] | Flimzy: | I might just get another 440 |
| [07:50:00] | Flimzy: | I haven't been unhappy with it... even in Half-Life 2, it seemed to do okay. |
| [07:50:00] | MiX-MaN: | 9700 / 9800 is the best bet for similer to a 440 |
| [07:50:00] | Flimzy: | I don't think I could get anything much better on my budget |
| [07:51:00] | Flimzy: | I might go for a 128mb model of the 440 |
| [07:51:00] | Flimzy: | I have a 64mb model right now |
| [07:51:00] | MiX-MaN: | blah |
| [07:51:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [07:51:00] | Flimzy: | it's only $1 more |
| [07:51:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [07:51:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [07:51:00] | Flimzy: | I don't want to spend more than $50 right now |
| [07:51:00] | MiX-MaN: | how much are the 9800's going for now? |
| [07:52:00] | Flimzy: | $108 for 128mb |
| [07:52:00] | MiX-MaN: | jesus |
| [07:52:00] | Flimzy: | The best Radeon for < $50 is a 9250 128mb for $37 |
| [07:53:00] | MiX-MaN: | eww |
| [07:53:00] | Flimzy: | The best GeForce for < $50 is the MX 440 8x 128mb |
| [07:53:00] | Flimzy: | for $42 |
| [07:53:00] | MiX-MaN: | guess its the mx |
| [07:54:00] | Flimzy: | I think so |
| [07:54:00] | Flimzy: | I think I'll bid up the ebay lot first |
| [07:54:00] | Flimzy: | but I don't think I'll win on my budget |
| [07:54:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [07:55:00] | MiX-MaN: | you gotta bigger budget then i do :) |
| [07:55:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [07:55:00] | Flimzy: | barely |
| [07:55:00] | Flimzy: | whoo. I'm the high bidder at $43 for the moment |
| [07:55:00] | MiX-MaN: | gezz that went up quick |
| [07:55:00] | Flimzy: | Yup |
| [07:55:00] | Flimzy: | I bid $60 |
| [07:55:00] | Flimzy: | figured that sound card was worth $10 :) |
| [07:55:00] | MiX-MaN: | whats the link? |
| [07:55:00] | Flimzy: | you gonna bid against me? |
| [07:55:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [07:56:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh nah.. just courious |
| [07:56:00] | MiX-MaN: | you can /msg it to me if u dont wanna put it here |
| [07:56:00] | Flimzy: | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . m=5195044222 |
| [07:56:00] | Flimzy: | nah, I don't mind |
| [07:56:00] | Flimzy: | Anyone who wants to bid can just as easily search for it |
| [07:57:00] | MiX-MaN: | the sound card looks like an sblive |
| [07:57:00] | Flimzy: | yeah |
| [07:57:00] | Flimzy: | beats the AWE32 I was gonna use |
| [07:57:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [07:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | heheh |
| [07:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | i found my old awe32 the other day |
| [07:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | first gen awe32 |
| [07:58:00] | Flimzy: | I found a huge box of JUNK today |
| [07:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | ISA / 1 1/2 feet long |
| [07:58:00] | Flimzy: | Must have 3 dozen NICs |
| [07:58:00] | Flimzy: | 5 keyboards |
| [07:58:00] | Flimzy: | 18 motherboards |
| [07:58:00] | Flimzy: | etc, etc |
| [07:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | hehe |
| [07:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | i've been filtering all my junk myself |
| [07:58:00] | Flimzy: | I just moved... I think I packed that box before I moved the last time... 2 years ago |
| [07:59:00] | MiX-MaN: | tring to get rid of stuff thats usless |
| [07:59:00] | Flimzy: | I've been doing the same thing |
| [07:59:00] | MiX-MaN: | just gave away 3 complete 486's and a P2 |
| [07:59:00] | Flimzy: | I gave away a bunch of ISDN equipment I used when I ran an ISP a couple years ago finally |
| [07:59:00] | MiX-MaN: | i think there was a 386 in there too |
| [07:59:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [07:59:00] | Flimzy: | I threw away a P166 the other day |
| [07:59:00] | mchou: | heh, I'm still using my P2 as mythbackend. |
| [07:59:00] | Flimzy: | donated a PPro 180 and several P200/233's to a used computer shop |
| [07:59:00] | MiX-MaN: | lol i just put my p166 into use :) |
| [08:00:00] | Flimzy: | I have a possibly dead dual P233 sitting in the other room (stole the TV-out card from it, actually) |
| [08:00:00] | Flimzy: | and several other P-who-knows-what's I need to pull out of storage and go thru |
| [08:00:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
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| [08:00:00] | Flimzy: | I think I threw away all my 486's |
| [08:00:00] | Flimzy: | altho I know I have several 486 motherboards still lying around |
| [08:01:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh i found a box full of processors the other day too |
| [08:01:00] | Flimzy: | compiling mythtv sure takes a while |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | yeah, you probably couldnt give away 486s now. |
| [08:01:00] | MiX-MaN: | like 15 p166's for a project i was gonna work on awhile back |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | you have to pay for someone to take it away |
| [08:01:00] | Flimzy: | I have about a dozen and a half 486DX CPUs |
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| [08:01:00] | Flimzy: | I think I'll turn them into refrigerator magnets |
| [08:01:00] | MiX-MaN: | mchou: heh i just gave away 3 of them... (486's) |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | lol. ppl still want 486? |
| [08:02:00] | Flimzy: | I'd keep a 486 for a router... but I have a dozen P166's I can use for that :P |
| [08:02:00] | Flimzy: | mchou: Only if they don't know what it is :P |
| [08:02:00] | MiX-MaN: | thats what im using one of my p166's for |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | 486 for a router is an overkill. |
| [08:02:00] | MiX-MaN: | just redid our network yesterday |
| [08:02:00] | Flimzy: | mchou: Yeah, but I'd rather use something faster as a router+something else. Like in my case, my K6–3/450 is my router, fileserver, and soon MythTV head. hehe |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | just get a linksys WRT54G. $20 after rebates. Put ipenwrt on it. |
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| [08:03:00] | mchou: | openwrt* |
| [08:04:00] | mchou: | I used to use my P2 as router, but linksys has been nice to me. Just bought it two wks ago. |
| [08:04:00] | MiX-MaN: | i hate linksys |
| [08:04:00] | Flimzy: | I don't think Linksys would like my Internet connection very much. |
| [08:04:00] | mchou: | why? |
| [08:04:00] | MiX-MaN: | every piece of hardware i've bought from them has went bad |
| [08:04:00] | mchou: | Flimzy: why, you still on dialup? :) |
| [08:04:00] | Flimzy: | mchou: Not exactly |
| [08:05:00] | Flimzy: | mchou: I use my cell phone |
| [08:05:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [08:05:00] | mchou: | Flimzy: lol, expensive. |
| [08:05:00] | Flimzy: | nope |
| [08:05:00] | Flimzy: | cheap |
| [08:05:00] | Flimzy: | that's why I use it :) |
| [08:05:00] | MiX-MaN: | verizon? |
| [08:05:00] | Flimzy: | $10/mo for unlimited |
| [08:05:00] | Flimzy: | Sprint |
| [08:05:00] | MiX-MaN: | nice |
| [08:05:00] | Flimzy: | or is it $15/mo |
| [08:05:00] | MiX-MaN: | what kind of speeds you get? |
| [08:05:00] | Flimzy: | Of course if you ask them, it costs $80 |
| [08:05:00] | Flimzy: | But if you don't tell them that's what you're doing... just pay for "wireless web"... $15/mo |
| [08:05:00] | Flimzy: | "connection speeds" of 163kbit |
| [08:06:00] | MiX-MaN: | not bad |
| [08:06:00] | Flimzy: | Actual throughput gets up to 14 kbyte/sec |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | $15/mo?? What kind of deal is that?? |
| [08:06:00] | MiX-MaN: | oh that sux |
| [08:06:00] | Flimzy: | 14 kBYTE |
| [08:06:00] | Flimzy: | It's better than dialup by a longshot |
| [08:06:00] | Flimzy: | And it's mobile |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | sheesh. 14KB still sucks. |
| [08:06:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [08:06:00] | Flimzy: | It's not broadband |
| [08:06:00] | MiX-MaN: | the moble is cool |
| [08:06:00] | Flimzy: | that's for sure |
| [08:06:00] | Flimzy: | :) |
| [08:06:00] | MiX-MaN: | but if im at home i gotta have my cable |
| [08:07:00] | Flimzy: | I switched to that when I couldn't afford to keep up on my cable bills after I got laid of |
| [08:07:00] | Flimzy: | f |
| [08:07:00] | Flimzy: | And it was cheaper to do that than have a phone line installed |
| [08:07:00] | Flimzy: | and faster |
| [08:07:00] | Flimzy: | Latency sucks, tho... I can't do any gaming over it. *sigh* |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [08:07:00] | MiX-MaN: | that sux |
| [08:08:00] | Flimzy: | ~400–500ms ping times are average |
| [08:08:00] | Flimzy: | Such is the nature of CDMA |
| [08:08:00] | MiX-MaN: | sucks |
| [08:08:00] | MiX-MaN: | i'd be pissed |
| [08:08:00] | Flimzy: | I'd switch back to cable now if I wasn't trying to pay off some debts |
| [08:10:00] | MiX-MaN: | sound alot like me |
| [08:10:00] | MiX-MaN: | cept i cant live with broadband |
| [08:10:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [08:12:00] | simcop2387: | you can not have broadband? when did this occur |
| [08:12:00] | mchou: | shit. I hate npr. and xine. Why cant they stream in mp3? |
| [08:12:00] | MiX-MaN: | oops.. cant live without |
| [08:12:00] | mchou: | crappy realaudio |
| [08:13:00] | MiX-MaN: | npr doesent strem in mp3? |
| [08:13:00] | MiX-MaN: | wtf |
| [08:13:00] | MiX-MaN: | look it up on shoutcast |
| [08:13:00] | MiX-MaN: | im sure theres a a few diff npr streams |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | realaudio and wma only. |
| [08:14:00] | mchou: | and both are broken in xine (and mplayer) |
| [08:14:00] | simcop2387: | mchou: link? i'll try my mplayer on the RA ones |
| [08:14:00] | simcop2387: | oh wait that computer isn't on damn |
| [08:14:00] | MiX-MaN: | http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playl . . . filename.pls |
| [08:14:00] | MiX-MaN: | there ya go |
| [08:15:00] | mchou: | simcop2387: npr uses *.smil, and mplayer support for that is borked. |
| [08:15:00] | MiX-MaN: | direct link: http://64.236.34.97:80/stream/1062 |
| [08:15:00] | simcop2387: | mchou: .smil is just text based, download it and read the file in less or some other text viewer |
| [08:15:00] | simcop2387: | .smil gives you a url to the real audio |
| [08:16:00] | simcop2387: | its just another level of misdirection to fool stupid players |
| [08:16:00] | mchou: | simcop2387: lol, why would I want to do that? I want to listen to the whole program, not click on 15 storuies. |
| [08:16:00] | mchou: | stories* |
| [08:16:00] | simcop2387: | mchou: what? |
| [08:16:00] | simcop2387: | mchou: where did stories come in? |
| [08:17:00] | Flimzy: | woot |
| [08:17:00] | splAt1 is now known as splat1 | |
| [08:17:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: got a card? |
| [08:17:00] | Flimzy: | mythtv is compiled |
| [08:17:00] | simcop2387: | ah |
| [08:17:00] | mchou: | 1 program==15 stories (headlines) |
| [08:17:00] | simcop2387: | i gotta get a decent capture card |
| [08:17:00] | Flimzy: | hopefully it won't crash now |
| [08:17:00] | Cardoe: | someone ping? |
| [08:18:00] | Flimzy: | doh |
| [08:18:00] | simcop2387: | mchou: yea, where did they come in though you want to listen to the program, grab the url out of the .smil file and give it to mplayer, or does .smil contain links to each specific story? |
| [08:18:00] | Flimzy: | why does it think it depends on nvidia-glx now? |
| [08:18:00] | mchou: | simcop2387: the latter..... |
| [08:18:00] | simcop2387: | mchou: that sucks |
| [08:19:00] | simcop2387: | mchou: i can play wma with my mplayer, got the dlls from some codec pack |
| [08:19:00] | Flimzy: | I hope I don't have to compile this on the K6–3 just so it builds with the right dependancies :/ |
| [08:19:00] | simcop2387: | i can play over 100 different audio codecs, and over 70 video codecs in mplayer |
| [08:19:00] | mchou: | simcop2387: not from npr I bet you cant |
| [08:19:00] | simcop2387: | mchou: the only kind i can't play are the DRM'd ones |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | mplayer "plays" but goes buffer 28% to 100% in 2 secs, no sound. |
| [08:20:00] | simcop2387: | hmm |
| [08:20:00] | Cardoe: | simcop2387: you pinged? |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | some weirdass crap. |
| [08:20:00] | Flimzy: | Okay, I'm gonna start a compile on the K6–3, then go to bed |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | I wonder why ogg never caught on...... |
| [08:21:00] | Flimzy: | OGG caught on in my house |
| [08:21:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [08:21:00] | simcop2387: | Cardoe: 0.357 |
| [08:21:00] | Flimzy: | not that that counts for anything |
| [08:21:00] | MiX-MaN: | cause the average user cant tell a diff between ogg and mp3 |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | no, I mean "commercially" |
| [08:22:00] | Agrajag-: | mp3 already had too much momentum by the time ogg came about |
| [08:22:00] | MiX-MaN: | ah |
| [08:22:00] | MiX-MaN: | ogg is nice |
| [08:22:00] | MiX-MaN: | but im not gonna jump up and convert my whole collection |
| [08:22:00] | Flimzy: | Some commercial players support OGG |
| [08:23:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah.. i reckon it'll still get more popular |
| [08:23:00] | mchou: | nobody pipes ogg though. |
| [08:23:00] | Flimzy: | I store my whole collection in FLAC |
| [08:23:00] | Flimzy: | Then I can transcode to MP3 or OGG or whatever-comes-out-next on demand |
| [08:23:00] | MiX-MaN: | that must be huge |
| [08:23:00] | Flimzy: | without playing with stupid CDs again |
| [08:23:00] | Flimzy: | MiX-MaN: that's what big HDs and DVD burners are for :P |
| [08:23:00] | Agrajag-: | i find it kinda strange that xvid has taken off, but people still use mp3 for vids though |
| [08:23:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [08:23:00] | simcop2387: | OGG is a container format!!! Vorbis is the audio compression!!!! |
| [08:24:00] | Agrajag-: | i guess xvid is just better than divx – consumers notice the difference |
| [08:24:00] | Flimzy: | I still prefer animated GIFs for my video files :P |
| [08:24:00] | simcop2387: | and why can't mythtv support xvid and vorbis? |
| [08:24:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: i do that with mencoder! |
| [08:24:00] | simcop2387: | then i go in and optimize them with the gimp |
| [08:25:00] | Flimzy: | I think they need to add Flash support to the DVD spec |
| [08:25:00] | Flimzy: | so I can rent my favorite movies in Flash/DVD format |
| [08:25:00] | mchou: | hell no. Flash is evil. |
| [08:25:00] | Flimzy: | And watch them in my web browser, instead of on a DVD player |
| [08:25:00] | Cardoe: | simcop2387: what about a 357? |
| [08:25:00] | simcop2387: | Cardoe: that was the ping time |
| [08:26:00] | Cardoe: | so? |
| [08:26:00] | mchou: | biggest nuisances on webpages are flash. |
| [08:26:00] | simcop2387: | Cardoe: you asked for a ping |
| [08:26:00] | Cardoe: | no I didn't |
| [08:26:00] | Cardoe: | I asked if someone pinged me |
| [08:26:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: they do need a vector format on Bluray though |
| [08:27:00] | simcop2387: | Cardoe: ah i pinged after that, you just said "ping" |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | Cardoe: man that's ehat the irclog is for. |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | what* |
| [08:27:00] | Flimzy: | simcop2387: Mozilla should begin supporting vector graphics soon |
| [08:27:00] | simcop2387: | er someone ping? |
| [08:27:00] | Flimzy: | not that that's directly related |
| [08:27:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: yea i know |
| [08:27:00] | Flimzy: | heh |
| [08:27:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: its gonna rock i'm going to put it on my page for my game as soon as its ready and stable |
| [08:28:00] | simcop2387: | because the website is more fun to maintain than writing the game |
| [08:28:00] | Flimzy: | haha |
| [08:28:00] | Flimzy: | what kinda game is it? |
| [08:29:00] | simcop2387: | 2d mmorpg framework, make your own game with it when its done |
| [08:29:00] | Flimzy: | cool |
| [08:29:00] | simcop2387: | geared towards zelda style games though |
| [08:29:00] | Flimzy: | 2d top-down view? |
| [08:29:00] | Flimzy: | gotcha |
| [08:29:00] | Flimzy: | I guess a side-scroller would be very odd for an mmorpg |
| [08:29:00] | simcop2387: | could easily do Harvest Moon or some other game thats non combatant too |
| [08:29:00] | Cardoe: | mchou: don't keep a log |
| [08:29:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: zelda did have side scrolling sections |
| [08:29:00] | Flimzy: | Zelda isn't really an mmorpg |
| [08:30:00] | Flimzy: | The mm part is very hard in a side-scrolling universe :) |
| [08:30:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: the worst part was if you couldn't jump over people and some asshole won't move |
| [08:30:00] | simcop2387: | er would be |
| [08:30:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [08:31:00] | simcop2387: | i'd stand in front of important stuff all day as an immortal game developer |
| [08:31:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [08:31:00] | simcop2387: | no one would get anything done |
| [08:31:00] | simcop2387: | :) |
| [08:32:00] | Flimzy: | Ever play TradeWars 2002? |
| [08:32:00] | simcop2387: | nope |
| [08:32:00] | Flimzy: | Was an early predicesor to mmorpgs |
| [08:32:00] | Flimzy: | in the BBS days |
| [08:32:00] | Flimzy: | I loved that game |
| [08:32:00] | simcop2387: | sounds like drugwars |
| [08:33:00] | mchou: | Cardoe: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog |
| [08:33:00] | simcop2387: | theres an mmorpg version of that |
| [08:33:00] | Flimzy: | Mostly text based... with some options for ASCII/ANSI art |
| [08:33:00] | Flimzy: | I saw that, never played it much |
| [08:33:00] | Flimzy: | Ever since I got hooked on TW2002, I've had a dream of writing my own game, and taking it farther |
| [08:33:00] | Flimzy: | someday maybe I will |
| [08:33:00] | Flimzy: | But I always have too many good ideas |
| [08:34:00] | simcop2387: | http://denonline.sf.net/ the site used to be more to look at i've been redoing it with mediawiki instead of pmwiki |
| [08:34:00] | Flimzy: | And try to use too many of them all at once |
| [08:34:00] | simcop2387: | yea |
| [08:37:00] | MiX-MaN: | what kinda system would you recommend for 4 tunner cards... 2 cards will record while 2 watch live tv while the systems converts exsiting files... (worst case secnerio(sp)) :) |
| [08:37:00] | Flimzy: | Okay, time to watch episode 22 of Lost while the rest of this stuff downloads, then I'll start the compile and go to bed |
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| [08:37:00] | Flimzy: | MiX-MaN: 640k RAM ought to be enough for anybody. |
| [08:37:00] | MiX-MaN: | aight bill gates |
| [08:38:00] | Flimzy: | MiX-MaN: I could see definate advantages to a dual-CPU system for that. |
| [08:38:00] | MiX-MaN: | hmm |
| [08:38:00] | Flimzy: | With that many simultaneous processes, 2 CPUs would probably both be running at 100% |
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| [08:38:00] | MiX-MaN: | what if all the tunners were hardware based recorders |
| [08:39:00] | Flimzy: | Most ppl try to use 2 CPUs to speed up one CPU-intensive process.... they don't realize that's dumb (unless it supports multithreading... but many don't) |
| [08:39:00] | Flimzy: | MiX-MaN: Then I'd say your disk I/O would be the biggest bottleneck |
| [08:39:00] | simcop2387: | RAID array |
| [08:39:00] | MiX-MaN: | scsi |
| [08:39:00] | Flimzy: | (this coming from somebody who has yet to have MythTV working yet) |
| [08:39:00] | MiX-MaN: | scsi array |
| [08:39:00] | Flimzy: | SCSI raid would be ideal |
| [08:39:00] | simcop2387: | hardware RAID 5 or striping |
| [08:40:00] | simcop2387: | damn i gotta get to bed |
| [08:40:00] | simcop2387: | mom gets up in an hour |
| [08:40:00] | Flimzy: | You could also easily turn that into 2 machines |
| [08:40:00] | MiX-MaN: | basicly what i wanna do is: build a main backend for all video for the house.. make 2 or 3 front ends to put in bedrooms / living rooms |
| [08:40:00] | Flimzy: | Since you can't (normally) watch two programs on one TV anyway |
| [08:40:00] | simcop2387: | Flimzy: myth doesn't support PiP yet? |
| [08:40:00] | Flimzy: | PiP? |
| [08:40:00] | simcop2387: | Picture in Picture |
| [08:40:00] | mchou: | Flimzy: guess you never heard of PIP :) |
| [08:41:00] | MiX-MaN: | ya it supports pip |
| [08:41:00] | Flimzy: | simcop2387: Oh |
| [08:41:00] | simcop2387: | nice |
| [08:41:00] | Flimzy: | I was assuming you actually wanted to _watch_ TV |
| [08:41:00] | ** simcop2387 only has a crappy capture card ** | |
| [08:41:00] | Flimzy: | not pip it |
| [08:41:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [08:41:00] | MiX-MaN: | but i've had pip for years and never used it |
| [08:41:00] | Flimzy: | I was assuming multiple frontends |
| [08:41:00] | MiX-MaN: | thats what im talking about |
| [08:41:00] | MiX-MaN: | 1 living tv with HD |
| [08:41:00] | Flimzy: | And was therefore suggesting that you dn't necissarily need to have a single backend for everything |
| [08:41:00] | MiX-MaN: | living room* |
| [08:41:00] | MiX-MaN: | 2 bedrooms .. maybe hd |
| [08:42:00] | MiX-MaN: | all video recivers / backend / loud ass scsi array in the computer room |
| [08:42:00] | Flimzy: | You could (presumably) very easily offload the file conversion process(es) to the frontends. |
| [08:42:00] | MiX-MaN: | well the frontends will be pretty shitty |
| [08:42:00] | Flimzy: | Sure |
| [08:42:00] | MiX-MaN: | just enough to handel video playback |
| [08:43:00] | Flimzy: | But even so... transcoding isn't generally a very timing sensative process |
| [08:43:00] | simcop2387: | MiX-MaN: what kind of network? |
| [08:43:00] | Flimzy: | Speaking of shitty frontends... |
| [08:43:00] | MiX-MaN: | ill have a gig coming out of the backend |
| [08:43:00] | Flimzy: | what's a reasonable hardware minimum spec for a frontend box? |
| [08:43:00] | MiX-MaN: | going to 10/100 hub |
| [08:43:00] | simcop2387: | oooo nnnoooooo |
| [08:43:00] | Flimzy: | I hope you mean switch |
| [08:43:00] | simcop2387: | do not use a hub for this |
| [08:43:00] | MiX-MaN: | wee |
| [08:43:00] | MiX-MaN: | err* |
| [08:43:00] | MiX-MaN: | ya switch :) |
| [08:44:00] | MiX-MaN: | 10/100 with 1 gig uplink switch |
| [08:44:00] | simcop2387: | might be easier to just get a full 1gb switch |
| [08:44:00] | MiX-MaN: | $$$ |
| [08:44:00] | simcop2387: | then have them all do that |
| [08:44:00] | simcop2387: | do they make ones with a single 1gig port? |
| [08:44:00] | MiX-MaN: | most of the stuff i buy is biz class |
| [08:44:00] | simcop2387: | ah |
| [08:45:00] | MiX-MaN: | so .. a biz class gig switch is hardcore $$$ |
| [08:45:00] | simcop2387: | yea |
| [08:45:00] | simcop2387: | find a cheap one on ebay |
| [08:45:00] | MiX-MaN: | i can get a 8 port switch w/ gig uplink for around 150 |
| [08:45:00] | MiX-MaN: | rack mountable |
| [08:45:00] | Bob-Laptop: | for a good low cost gigabit switch I went with a netgear GS108 |
| [08:45:00] | Flimzy: | I have a biz class 10 managed hub for sale :P |
| [08:45:00] | MiX-MaN: | Flimzy: how much? |
| [08:45:00] | MiX-MaN: | :) |
| [08:45:00] | MiX-MaN: | & how many ports |
| [08:46:00] | Flimzy: | MiX-MaN: $.50 plus postage :P |
| [08:46:00] | MiX-MaN: | lol |
| [08:46:00] | Flimzy: | 12 ports, IIRC |
| [08:46:00] | MiX-MaN: | hmm |
| [08:46:00] | MiX-MaN: | where u live? |
| [08:46:00] | Flimzy: | I don't understand the reason for a manged __hub__ |
| [08:46:00] | Flimzy: | I also don't understand managed 10mbit |
| [08:46:00] | Flimzy: | MiX-MaN: Wichita, KS |
| [08:46:00] | Bob-Laptop: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833122111 |
| [08:46:00] | simcop2387: | well i'm out |
| [08:46:00] | MiX-MaN: | basicly .. i just had a 24pt 10mb hub go out |
| [08:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | simcop2387: laterz |
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| [08:47:00] | Flimzy: | I just gave away a 16pt 10mbit hub |
| [08:47:00] | Flimzy: | altho I'm sure I could get it back |
| [08:47:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [08:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | Bob-Laptop: not bad.. but im not into netgear that much |
| [08:47:00] | Flimzy: | I still have the power adaptor for it |
| [08:47:00] | Flimzy: | MiX-MaN: I'd send the 16 and the 12 for $10+shipping if you're serious |
| [08:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [08:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | gimme a few days |
| [08:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | i might be getting something better for a 6pk of beer |
| [08:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | gotta friend thats hooking me up with an array... he might have a nice switch he will spare |
| [08:48:00] | Flimzy: | the 12pt is rackmountable, too :P |
| [08:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | im talking 48 ports here :) |
| [08:48:00] | MiX-MaN: | rack mount |
| [08:49:00] | MiX-MaN: | i ebayed it .. like a 600$ switch |
| [08:49:00] | Flimzy: | Ah, but is it a vintage piece of computing history? I think not! |
| [08:49:00] | Flimzy: | :P |
| [08:49:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [08:49:00] | MiX-MaN: | i really need to get something quick though |
| [08:50:00] | Flimzy: | I finally upgraded my parent's network from a 10mbit hub to a 10/100 switch just a couple months ago |
| [08:50:00] | Flimzy: | Man, that made a huge difference |
| [08:50:00] | MiX-MaN: | my lil 8pr is filling up quick |
| [08:50:00] | Flimzy: | I got tired of waiting hours to transfer my Babylon 5 and Star Trek episodes at 10mbit |
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| [08:50:00] | MiX-MaN: | hah |
| [08:50:00] | Flimzy: | whenver I visisted them |
| [08:51:00] | Flimzy: | alrighty, MythTV is compiling on the 450. Bed time |
| [08:51:00] | Flimzy: | cyall later |
| [08:51:00] | MiX-MaN: | latez man |
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| [08:54:00] | linagee_: | the only sure fire way to have a disk fail is to place any piece of important, but un-backed-up, work on it. |
| [08:54:00] | MiX-MaN: | always works for me |
| [08:55:00] | MiX-MaN: | or in my case... just think about touching a wire inside my file server.. that normally takes out 3 hdd's |
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| [10:07:00] | D4vid: | Hi all, i'm searching how to use mythtv with esd enabled, so before searching I wan't to know if it's possible ? |
| [10:09:00] | D4vid: | anyone up ? |
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| [11:16:00] | Cardoe: | D4vid: never tried. |
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| [11:45:00] | D4vid: | Thanks for your answer Cardoe |
| [11:45:00] | Cardoe: | sorry |
| [11:46:00] | D4vid: | myhtv is a very good program, the functions on my tv card works better than on the native program undee windows |
| [11:46:00] | D4vid: | it was hard to install but now very nice |
| [11:53:00] | Cardoe: | heh yeah |
| [12:11:00] | D4vid: | Another question for epg with grabber the update is auto or must I launch mythfilldatabase to update ? |
| [12:13:00] | RossTFarian: | you can have it run from inside of mythtv or run it from cron |
| [12:13:00] | RossTFarian: | but it's not enabled by default |
| [12:14:00] | D4vid: | ok thanks |
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| [12:57:00] | proudhawk: | ok. I have tried everything detailed on various sites to get mythtv to work with a pchdtv-2000 card to no avail. anyone got any help on this for mandrake 10.1 official? |
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| [13:09:00] | TheUni2: | anyone mind helping me with an install on FC3? i'm having problems with apt-get |
| [13:13:00] | ** D4vid have tried apt-get for mythtv on ubuntu, but only manual install worked ** | |
| [13:13:00] | D4vid: | same thing on emerge on gentoo : |
| [13:14:00] | TheUni2: | what was the prob? |
| [13:14:00] | TheUni2: | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| [13:14:00] | TheUni2: | mythtv-suite: Depends: mythdvd (>= 0.18) but it is not going to be installed |
| [13:14:00] | TheUni2: | Depends: mythbrowser (>= 0.18) but it is not going to be installed |
| [13:15:00] | TheUni2: | is what i'm getting. |
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| [13:20:00] | TheUni2: | actually |
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| [13:20:00] | TheUni2: | apt-get didn't work, but yum seems to be going just fine |
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| [13:36:00] | Chris: | Hi folks, just running through a mythv install and cant get mythdvd or mythbrowser installed – they both seem to need an older version of libmyth. Any ideas? |
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| [14:01:00] | jams: | Chris, somehow I doubt that's the case unless your running mixed versions of mythtv and the plugins |
| [14:04:00] | dopester: | they will still install just not run i thought |
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| [14:22:00] | D4vid: | Sometimes when I change channel there is no sound on this channel if i come back to another channel or if I quit view mode to re-enter on the same channel the sount come back |
| [14:22:00] | D4vid: | anyone know what can it be ? |
| [14:22:00] | D4vid: | on an Hauppauge Nova-T DVB |
| [14:22:00] | D4vid: | DVB-T |
| [14:23:00] | D4vid: | (I don't think about a channel config problem because somtimes it do ti on one, and sometimes on an other |
| [14:23:00] | dopester: | d4vid: mpegts.c |
| [14:24:00] | D4vid: | ? |
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| [14:26:00] | levon: | D4vid, yupp, a known problem. if the frontend encounters errors in the stream, it may switch off sound, but never reenables it until you leave livetv or switch channels |
| [14:27:00] | D4vid: | and no solution ? |
| [14:27:00] | levon: | not to my knowledge |
| [14:27:00] | D4vid: | because it can do the same on recording no ? |
| [14:28:00] | levon: | yupp |
| [14:28:00] | D4vid: | :(( |
| [14:28:00] | levon: | the frontend doesn't care if it's a recording or livetv. it just reads the buffer |
| [14:29:00] | johnp_: | Is that not the "same pids" issue ? |
| [14:30:00] | dopester: | its related johnp_ |
| [14:30:00] | dopester: | i only half fixed it |
| [14:30:00] | dopester: | i think its the memory leak that is what d4vid is experiencing |
| [14:31:00] | johnp_: | D4vid, which version are you running ? |
| [14:31:00] | levon: | hm... not sure if it's a mem leak. I got some garbled recordings where i can reproduce the sound issue |
| [14:31:00] | levon: | the problem appeared somewhat in the middle of .18 development and is still there, afaik. |
| [14:32:00] | dopester: | d4vid: are you using ps mode? |
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| [14:33:00] | johnp_: | I'm sure there's more than one issue with the sound :) but I was thinking he might not even have dopester's partial fix. |
| [14:33:00] | dopester: | yeah its a few issues all colliding |
| [14:34:00] | dopester: | the mark anderson stream removal was only a partial fix |
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| [14:38:00] | D4vid: | dopester, i can't find where I can see if i'm in ps mode ? |
| [14:38:00] | dopester: | its in setup under advanced recording options |
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| [14:41:00] | D4vid: | the "Use TS instead of PS for recording" option ? |
| [14:41:00] | D4vid: | dopester, if it's that the otion is unchecked |
| [14:42:00] | dopester: | read the helptext i can't recall off the top of my head |
| [14:42:00] | dopester: | i gotta run.. |
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| [14:44:00] | Chris: | When I try to install Mythdvd from the atrpms repository it says it needs an older version of libmyth |
| [14:44:00] | D4vid: | "Don't allow conversion to Program Stream, the TS records are bigers but make lower the risk of error" |
| [14:44:00] | Chris: | -0.18.so.0 |
| [14:45:00] | D4vid: | (excuse for the translation, because i've got mythtv in french) |
| [14:45:00] | Chris: | whereas all other modules have been compiled against -0.18.1.so.0 |
| [14:45:00] | levon: | Chris, others from freshrpms? |
| [14:45:00] | RossTFarian: | anyone know how to set favorites in mythgame? |
| [14:45:00] | Chris: | I just did a yum install |
| [14:45:00] | Chris: | yeah from fresh i gues |
| [14:46:00] | Chris: | Now the frontend comes up but no modules work |
| [14:46:00] | levon: | erm, sorry, I mean, did you get both (the mythdvd) and the mythlibs from the same repository? |
| [14:46:00] | levon: | you shouldn't mix those up |
| [14:46:00] | espen: | hi, i am trying to compile the mythExtra stuff (mythfm, mythmail, etc) but whatever i do i get compile error: /usr/include/mythtv/settings.h:196: error: candidates are: int ConfigurationDialog::exec(QSqlDatabase*, bool, bool), any sugestions? |
| [14:47:00] | Chris: | ah i see. If I had screwed it up, whats the quickest way of removing all and re-installing? |
| [14:47:00] | RossTFarian: | nonono – you don't want to install mythdvd anymore — it's in mythplugins |
| [14:47:00] | levon: | rpm -qa | grep -i myth | xargs rpm -e |
| [14:47:00] | levon: | :P |
| [14:47:00] | levon: | or rm -rfv / |
| [14:47:00] | levon: | :P :P |
| [14:47:00] | levon: | j/k |
| [14:47:00] | levon: | the former will do ;) |
| [14:47:00] | Chris: | RossTFarian, its still included in mythtv-suite |
| [14:47:00] | Chris: | :D |
| [14:47:00] | Chris: | Its getting to that stafe |
| [14:47:00] | Chris: | stage |
| [14:48:00] | RossTFarian: | so, don't select mythtv-suite – it's a meta-package anyway |
| [14:48:00] | RossTFarian: | but you're right – that should be fixed |
| [14:48:00] | Chris: | I was following the FC3 guide |
| [14:48:00] | Chris: | whats the best replacement for the meta-ackage |
| [14:49:00] | levon: | install the single packages |
| [14:49:00] | D4vid: | johnp_, excuse me, i'm running a fresh version compiled from cvs last night |
| [14:49:00] | Chris: | groan |
| [14:49:00] | levon: | the meta package will just pull in the single packages, but may have other dependencies |
| [14:49:00] | Chris: | it had plenty |
| [14:49:00] | Chris: | best place to get the packages? |
| [14:50:00] | Chris: | atrpms? |
| [14:50:00] | RossTFarian: | yes |
| [14:50:00] | levon: | atrpms did fine for me before I switched to cvs. |
| [14:50:00] | Chris: | right, cheers |
| [14:50:00] | RossTFarian: | if you select any of the mythtv* packages that have a 0.18 version that's a good start... they will pull in their own dependencies |
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| [14:51:00] | Chris: | anyway to do that through apt or yum or is it a case of download via ftp? |
| [14:51:00] | levon: | sure, use apt |
| [14:51:00] | levon: | apt-cache search myth |
| [14:51:00] | levon: | choose your packages |
| [14:51:00] | levon: | and do |
| [14:52:00] | levon: | apt-get install ... |
| [14:52:00] | RossTFarian: | apt-get install synaptic && synaptic |
| [14:52:00] | levon: | fc3's synaptic is broken, unfortunately |
| [14:52:00] | Chris: | yeah, i noticed |
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| [14:52:00] | Chris: | it wont even get it from the apt repos at the moment i dont think |
| [14:52:00] | RossTFarian: | that sucks – I'd download the cvs and build it |
| [14:53:00] | RossTFarian: | synaptic is really great |
| [14:53:00] | RossTFarian: | but apt-get install will install dependencies for you too |
| [14:53:00] | Chris: | okay, I'm a yum guy so bear with me... |
| [14:54:00] | Chris: | do i have to name each myth package in the apt-get install .. .. . |
| [14:54:00] | RossTFarian: | so was I until I used apt and synaptic on multiple linux distros... |
| [14:54:00] | laga: | try apt-get mythtv-suite |
| [14:54:00] | Chris: | laga – no good |
| [14:54:00] | Chris: | mythdvd and mythbrowser are broken |
| [14:54:00] | laga: | oh, sorry. |
| [14:55:00] | Chris: | np |
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| [14:56:00] | RossTFarian: | apt-get install mythtv mythtv-themes mythplugins mythweb |
| [14:57:00] | RossTFarian: | that should be a good start |
| [14:57:00] | RossTFarian: | or is it mythtvplugins |
| [14:57:00] | Chris: | no thats right |
| [14:57:00] | Chris: | mythplugins |
| [14:57:00] | Chris: | hell, its running |
| [14:58:00] | Chris: | and installed |
| [14:58:00] | Chris: | beauty |
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| [14:59:00] | Chris: | need a front end |
| [15:01:00] | levon: | ;) |
| [15:03:00] | Chris: | ah – ha ! mythtvsetup is old version of mythtv-setup |
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| [15:13:00] | TheUni3: | thanks levon. was he having a similar problem? |
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| [15:14:00] | levon: | sortof. he installed the suite, and the other packages didn't fit the version. |
| [15:14:00] | levon: | just apt-get install the mythfrontend, backend, plugins and themes from atrpms. |
| [15:14:00] | TheUni3: | well |
| [15:14:00] | TheUni3: | that's exactly what i'm doing now. |
| [15:16:00] | TheUni3: | ok, that's done |
| [15:16:00] | TheUni3: | what now? |
| [15:16:00] | TheUni3: | i can't get mythdvd or mythbrowser installed |
| [15:18:00] | D4vid: | "Mark Anderson's patch to 'fix audio' for dvb." in cvs ml written on Feb 9, 2005, 11:35 PM > so the patch is applied in actual mythtv versions no ? |
| [15:20:00] | Snecker: | nope mythdvd or browser wont work |
| [15:21:00] | Snecker: | Actually, they all seem to be complaining about libmyth |
| [15:21:00] | Snecker: | My frontend is coming up but all the apt files have been compiled against an older libmyth |
| [15:21:00] | Snecker: | whereas its grabbing a newer one |
| [15:22:00] | TheUni3: | Snecker, i'm getting exactly the same prob |
| [15:23:00] | TheUni3: | so how to fix? |
| [15:23:00] | Snecker: | I wish I knew dude |
| [15:23:00] | Snecker: | I think this must be a fairly new prob with the repos |
| [15:23:00] | Snecker: | I'm wondering if I can install an older libmyth alongside the newer version |
| [15:24:00] | Snecker: | TheUni3, are you getting a frontend up? |
| [15:24:00] | TheUni3: | Snecker, for a second |
| [15:24:00] | TheUni3: | actually |
| [15:24:00] | TheUni3: | it ran once (the first time) but not anymore |
| [15:25:00] | Snecker: | mine stays up but no modules are working due to libmyth complaint |
| [15:31:00] | TheUni3: | levon, which are those, then? |
| [15:31:00] | TheUni3: | frontend, backend... what else? |
| [15:31:00] | levon: | I'd start with front, back, plugins and themes |
| [15:31:00] | levon: | then try to go from there |
| [15:32:00] | TheUni3: | ok |
| [15:32:00] | TheUni3: | i'm gonna rip all this stuff out and try again |
| [15:32:00] | TheUni3: | thanks for the help |
| [15:32:00] | levon: | yupp, that's a good starting point |
| [15:32:00] | levon: | no prob |
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| [15:36:00] | Snecker: | TheUni3, I'm with you, might try the previous version |
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| [15:38:00] | Snecker: | just checked bugzilla, the mythtv-suite install problem has been bugged |
| [15:38:00] | Snecker: | #518 |
| [15:39:00] | TheUni3: | Snecker, you seem like you're a little better with this stuff than i am |
| [15:39:00] | TheUni3: | if you get it going, mind helping me out? |
| [15:57:00] | TheUni3: | Snecker, i dont see a bug 518. |
| [15:59:00] | levon: | hm, I can't follow why they file a bug against myth when it's obvious that it is a package maintainance problem... |
| [15:59:00] | ** levon scratches head ** | |
| [15:59:00] | TheUni3: | *sigh* |
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| [16:23:00] | Flimzy: | I just compiled MythTV on my K6–3 system (only took 3 hours), and it still gives an "Illegal instruction" when I run either mythfrontend or mythbackend. |
| [16:24:00] | Flimzy: | When I run the ./configure script manually it complains "*** WARNING ***\nYour CPU was not detected properly:" |
| [16:24:00] | Flimzy: | But shows AMD-K6(tm) 3D+ Processor, which is correct |
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| [16:52:00] | nilaruz: | Are the mythtv-backend init.d scripts from the prebuilt debian packages broken for anyone else |
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| [17:11:00] | xris: | tuxristo: you around? |
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| [17:29:00] | Snecker: | TehUni, you there |
| [17:34:00] | Snecker: | Okay, when you get back, the solution is to remove all mythtv stuff and install myth stuff from april24th upload, not the most recent |
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| [17:37:00] | Chacabaou: | I want to build a (minimal?) LiveCD that has a MythTV built of my own (from CVS) on it. What would be the easiest point to start? |
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| [17:38:00] | Snecker: | Great idea Chacabaou, I'd check and see if anyone else has started doing this first and see if you can collaborate |
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| [17:39:00] | beavis: | Chacabaou: which version does knoppmyth use? |
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| [17:40:00] | cortezdapimp: | hi |
| [17:40:00] | Esotericisms: | how long does it usually take to transcode 30 minutes worth of recording? |
| [17:41:00] | m1ke: | really depends on your cpu speed... on mine it takes at least as long as the recording |
| [17:41:00] | Chacabaou: | beavis: Dunno, but I don't suppose it to be CVS. Since my backend is CVS, I also need CVS-frontends. |
| [17:41:00] | m1ke: | but i use a pentiumIII-650 |
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| [17:42:00] | Esotericisms: | ok |
| [17:42:00] | cortezdapimp: | if i want my master backend available to os x clients, do i just need to change the ip address in mythtv-setup from 127.0.0.1 to its external (static dhcp) address? or is there additional configuration that needs to be done? |
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| [17:43:00] | reel: | Esotericisms: from my logs, it looks like i recorded 1 hour. commercial flagging finished at :01 and then transcoding finished at :24 so 23 minutes for my xp 2500+ to do 1 hour transcoding |
| [17:43:00] | laga: | cortezdapimp: make sure that the clients can access the mysql db |
| [17:44:00] | Chacabaou: | Snecker: Actually, my question aimed to the easiest way to build custom LiveCDs (something like an universal clone of my own Gentoo) in general? |
| [17:46:00] | Esotericisms: | anyone have issues with their sound being all jacked in the regards of it being really low with like a electronic statis overlay? |
| [17:46:00] | laga: | Chacabaou: search freshmeat, there are scripts which do that |
| [17:46:00] | Snecker: | ah okay, I have read about this recently. I think there might be a sourceforge project on it. Dont think its too tough |
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| [17:46:00] | Snecker: | Esotericisms, have you pumped it up in the mixer? |
| [17:46:00] | Esotericisms: | yeah |
| [17:47:00] | Snecker: | I'd screw around with the mixer a bit and see if theres something dodgy happening in there |
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| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | Chacabaou: that is so NOT a mythtv question :) |
| [17:48:00] | Esotericisms: | that is what everyone keeps saying .. but I am not seeing anything odd |
| [17:49:00] | Snecker: | Esotericisms, How many amps are you using for the sound? |
| [17:49:00] | Snecker: | Just the sound card? |
| [17:49:00] | Beirdo: | Esotericisms: *never* use 100% in the mixer :) Many soundcards will end up clipping when you do that |
| [17:49:00] | Beirdo: | set em at 85–90% and try again :) |
| [17:51:00] | Esotericisms: | Beirdo, OK |
| [17:51:00] | Esotericisms: | just a sec |
| [17:51:00] | Beirdo: | I'm pretty sure that was somewhere in the docs too |
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| [18:02:00] | dmaneice: | does anyone know if a frontend .17 will work a backend of version .18 |
| [18:02:00] | Beirdo: | no it won't |
| [18:03:00] | dmaneice: | do they use different protocol |
| [18:03:00] | Beirdo: | a different version of the protocil |
| [18:03:00] | Beirdo: | protocol rather |
| [18:04:00] | Beirdo: | you have to upgrade it all at once |
| [18:04:00] | dmaneice: | the problem is I am using an xbox as a frontend |
| [18:04:00] | Beirdo: | and? |
| [18:04:00] | dmaneice: | and I don't think they have that package yet for it |
| [18:05:00] | dmaneice: | I know they have .17 |
| [18:05:00] | dmaneice: | let me ask you another question |
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| [18:06:00] | ** Beirdo shrugs. ** | |
| [18:06:00] | dmaneice: | if I want to change my capture card do I have to reinstall myth |
| [18:06:00] | Beirdo: | sounds like you should just compile your own |
| [18:06:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:06:00] | Beirdo: | just re-run the setup program |
| [18:06:00] | dmaneice: | you are probably right |
| [18:06:00] | dmaneice: | ok |
| [18:07:00] | cortezdapimp: | has anyone built .18 for os x? |
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| [18:15:00] | push: | Hi all .. anyone time for a question/brainstorm regarding mythstream |
| [18:17:00] | push: | i'm trying to make a harvester for the apple.com/trailers site it seems there is some xml out there with a complete listing |
| [18:19:00] | push: | but the only thing i got 4 now is some code which i can't deeal with .. it's a plugin for xlobby .. windows stuff |
| [18:20:00] | push: | open source .. but vage .. maybe omeone can give me a hand figuring it out |
| [18:21:00] | push: | check it out here: http://www.xlobby.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1891 |
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| [18:24:00] | xris: | push: might be a docker plugin now that tiger is out. |
| [18:24:00] | xris: | I know there's a python one for grabbing tv listings |
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| [18:25:00] | Esotericisms: | sorry my damn internet went down ... |
| [18:25:00] | Esotericisms: | my audio is still jacked up ... very very frustrating :/ |
| [18:25:00] | xris: | cortezdapimp: the cvs download of the osx client works with .18 |
| [18:26:00] | Esotericisms: | if I just use tvtime (which patches audio out from my capture card to line in on my sound card, then play the sound) the sound is fine ... |
| [18:26:00] | Esotericisms: | but when mythtv "digitizes" my sound for recording and playback that is when it all gets jacked |
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| [18:29:00] | CyberKnet: | Many users of MythPhone present? |
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| [18:31:00] | push: | xris thx .. but i'm not using osx .. so i have to get the cool stuff otherwise :) |
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| [18:32:00] | xris: | push: right, but all docker plugins are open code |
| [18:32:00] | xris: | they're scripts — html, javascript, perl, python |
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| [18:33:00] | push: | hmm alright .. you have a link for that .. |
| [18:33:00] | push: | perl would be nice |
| [18:34:00] | xris: | no link — don't even know if one exists, just thought it'd be a good place to check. |
| [18:34:00] | push: | the parsers used in the mythstream plugin are in perl |
| [18:34:00] | xris: | should be a link from the docker info page |
| [18:34:00] | push: | i'll check it out.. thx! |
| [18:36:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: Mythphone sucketh |
| [18:36:00] | laga: | why? |
| [18:37:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: aha. I wanted to make sure that mu judgement of said plugin was not alone =) |
| [18:37:00] | CyberKnet: | s/mu/my/ |
| [18:37:00] | Beirdo: | I tried to get it to behave with asterisk and it only half-ass worked |
| [18:37:00] | Beirdo: | so I gave up |
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| [18:47:00] | laga: | The technical make-up of the machine is largely what was expected. Under the bonnet, the 360 is powered by a processor with three IBM PowerPC 3.2GHz chips, with a custom ATI 500MHz graphics processor and 512Mb of RAM. |
| [18:47:00] | laga: | w00t |
| [18:47:00] | laga: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4541961.stm |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | buy me one so I hack it |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | wonder if we can convince OSX to run on it? :) |
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| [18:57:00] | laga: | Beirdo: hehe |
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| [19:00:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: mmmm... OSX on a trip core ... now that would be nice =) |
| [19:01:00] | CyberKnet: | trip 3.2Ghz even. that's insane. |
| [19:02:00] | CyberKnet: | I wonder if it's 3 * 1.066ghz or 3 * 3.2Ghz ... everything I've seen so far indicates 3 * 3.2Ghz |
| [19:02:00] | laga: | sounds like a lot of heat to me |
| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [19:03:00] | Beirdo: | it will cook a bit, but we shall see |
| [19:03:00] | laga: | hehe |
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| [19:12:00] | FITH: | I wonder how noisy it'll be... if they keep going this way the consoles will be able to levitate with the airflow they'll require :) |
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| [19:14:00] | EmergeTW: | afternoon |
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| [19:21:00] | xris: | j-rod: what was the name of that firewall software you mentioned the other day? |
| [19:21:00] | ** Beirdo points xris at the channel logs :) ** | |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | MythLogBot: help |
| [19:22:00] | laga: | MythLogBot: blowjob |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | nice try, laga... Get your own perv-bot |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [19:23:00] | xris: | Beirdo: I grepped my own logs and didn't find it. |
| [19:24:00] | xris: | plus, your logs aren't, well, grepable. |
| [19:24:00] | xris: | (and I don't remmeber what day the conversation happened) |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | bitch bitch bitch :) |
| [19:24:00] | laga: | Beirdo: heh |
| [19:24:00] | xris: | yes |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | you wanna write a better (C-based, please) bot, or a better frontend for the logs, I'm all ears :) |
| [19:24:00] | xris: | you should put some kind of filter on the logs. heh. |
| [19:25:00] | xris: | php would be easy enough to filter |
| [19:25:00] | Beirdo: | it was yesterday |
| [19:25:00] | Beirdo: | it's not actually PHP, I'll show you the logfile format later |
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| [19:25:00] | Beirdo: | Astaro |
| [19:26:00] | xris: | oh, no wonder I couldn't find it. no http |
| [19:26:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [19:27:00] | Beirdo: | the stupid bot actually logs it with the CSS formatting in the file |
| [19:27:00] | xris: | lol |
| [19:27:00] | xris: | what language? |
| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | Java |
| [19:28:00] | xris: | ewww |
| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | I know |
| [19:28:00] | xris: | no perl bot plugins for irssi? |
| [19:28:00] | TheUni3: | i was told to use the april 24 version of mythtv since i can't get the current one installed. where can i get that release? |
| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | this isn't in irssi |
| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | and I don't want it in irssi :) |
| [19:28:00] | xris: | TheUni3: cvs? |
| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | I want a standalone bot |
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| [19:29:00] | laga: | Beirdo: eggdrop. |
| [19:29:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [19:29:00] | Beirdo: | eggdrop is larger than Java |
| [19:29:00] | laga: | why? |
| [19:29:00] | Beirdo: | fuck that |
| [19:29:00] | TheUni3: | xris, i'm not sure, exactly. the current suite doesn't install, apparently because of some weird dependency issues. i was told using the april 24th build would work ok. |
| [19:29:00] | laga: | really? oh. sucks then. |
| [19:30:00] | Beirdo: | much larger |
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| [19:31:00] | Beirdo: | so I'll be writing my own soon enough, I think |
| [19:31:00] | laga: | have fun |
| [19:32:00] | Beirdo: | well, I'll likely base it on someone's code |
| [19:32:00] | Beirdo: | but I don't like any of the bloated things I've found so far |
| [19:32:00] | TheUni3: | xris, any ideas for me? |
| [19:32:00] | Beirdo: | I'm aiming for a 200kB bot or so |
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| [19:32:00] | laga: | Beirdo: if it's just supposed to log, it shouldnt be very large. |
| [19:33:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, precisely |
| [19:33:00] | xris: | TheUni3: cvs |
| [19:33:00] | TheUni3: | so i'll be compiling myself, right? |
| [19:34:00] | laga: | i wonder if cvs is up again, but i'm too lazy to look |
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| [19:34:00] | Beirdo: | you'd be compiling the code :) |
| [19:34:00] | TheUni3: | k |
| [19:34:00] | TheUni3: | yikes |
| [19:34:00] | xris: | TheUni3: if you want a date, yes... if you want a version, then no. I don't know anything specific about apr 24, and if there isn't a release on that date, you'd need cvs |
| [19:34:00] | ** TheUni3 wonders how long that would take on his secondary POS computer. ** | |
| [19:34:00] | TheUni3: | k. thanks for the help |
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| [19:55:00] | mag0o: | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1814924,00.asp |
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| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | good for you, mag0o... you can paste a URL |
| [19:57:00] | mag0o: | yep |
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| [20:31:00] | ** xris just discovered `vim -x` ** | |
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| [20:33:00] | laga: | xris: what does it do? |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | man vim |
| [20:36:00] | laga: | o_O |
| [20:36:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [20:36:00] | ** Beirdo slaps laga with the trout... ** | |
| [20:36:00] | xris: | now I need to figure out how to add/remove such things. |
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| [20:37:00] | ** laga slaps Beirdo with an empty bottle of beer ** | |
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| [20:38:00] | Snecklifter: | I cant seem to get my geforce 420 svideo out to display on the television |
| [20:39:00] | ** xris dumps the dirty trout water on laga, and refills it so the trout can have fresh water.. (beer bottles hurt — trout are soft) ** | |
| [20:40:00] | laga: | yay. now i finally smell like a real geek |
| [20:40:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:40:00] | Beirdo: | I'll use a frozen trout next time |
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| [20:47:00] | CyberKnet: | screw frozen trout. Use Frozen Dirty Trout Water |
| [20:48:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: you really dont like me, huh? ;) |
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| [20:49:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: nothing like riding a barrel shaped mass of frozen dirty trout water down a 4:1 decline =) trust me =) |
| [20:50:00] | laga: | o_O |
| [20:50:00] | CyberKnet: | oooooh yeah. |
| [20:50:00] | CyberKnet: | nads to get a tad frozen though. |
| [20:50:00] | CyberKnet: | that kind of hurts. but the right female can thaw them out quickly. |
| [20:51:00] | CyberKnet: | *yawn* |
| [20:54:00] | Beirdo: | or the right sheep if you're CyberKnet |
| [20:55:00] | Beirdo: | muhahaha |
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| [21:15:00] | simcop2387: | anyone know how well these work? http://www.plextor.com/english/products/TV402U.htm |
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| [21:17:00] | shaya: | anyone know if mdz's packages for 0.18 still work with the 0.17 packages in his apt repository |
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| [21:17:00] | Beirdo: | huhu? |
| [21:18:00] | stoffel: | won't work. myth always requires the same version installed on all machines |
| [21:18:00] | Beirdo: | either you're running 0.17 or 0.18 |
| [21:18:00] | Beirdo: | you can't have half and half |
| [21:18:00] | IA-Outdoors: | what is the package name for firefox? |
| [21:18:00] | stoffel: | mozilla-firefox? |
| [21:19:00] | IA-Outdoors: | right you are |
| [21:19:00] | IA-Outdoors: | thnx |
| [21:20:00] | Beirdo: | apt-cache search firefox? :) |
| [21:20:00] | ** CyberKnet pulls out the slePP-detecter 5000 ** | |
| [21:21:00] | CyberKnet: | Hmm... this can't be right |
| [21:21:00] | CyberKnet: | the detector is indicating that slePP is working instead of slacking off... |
| [21:21:00] | CyberKnet: | anyone else got a slePP-detector I can borrow? Preferrably a pre-Microsoft-buyout version... |
| [21:21:00] | stoffel: | what about the oss version? |
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| [21:22:00] | IA-Outdoors: | Beirdo: thnx, new to debian-based distros (Gentoo man myself). Opted for knoppmyth in the interest of time |
| [21:22:00] | CyberKnet: | stoffel: as usual, it's at version 0.01 in alpha stage =P" |
| [21:22:00] | ** CyberKnet ducks for cover ** | |
| [21:22:00] | Beirdo: | ahh, well, that's a useful command to look into :) |
| [21:22:00] | IA-Outdoors is now known as IA-afk | |
| [21:22:00] | ** CyberKnet tries a good ol' ctcp PAGE ** | |
| [21:22:00] | CyberKnet: | those always work nice |
| [21:22:00] | Beirdo: | you could just wait |
| [21:23:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:23:00] | CyberKnet: | bah! |
| [21:23:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [21:23:00] | CyberKnet: | actually that's not a bad course. heh |
| [21:28:00] | ** CyberKnet runs to the car to get money for lunch ** | |
| [21:28:00] | Beirdo: | lunch! |
| [21:28:00] | Beirdo: | it's 4:30. |
| [21:28:00] | Beirdo: | silly CyberKnet |
| [21:29:00] | laga: | i usually have lunch at 15:30. |
| [21:29:00] | laga: | 3:30pm, sorry |
| [21:29:00] | stoffel: | not breakfast? |
| [21:30:00] | stoffel: | wtf? ding switched to utf-8? |
| [21:31:00] | laga: | stoffel: only at weekends. |
| [21:31:00] | stoffel: | it's still friday, so it should display in latin-1! ;) |
| [21:31:00] | laga: | err, yep... |
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| [21:33:00] | stoffel: | s/b please unlock my cvs connection |
| [21:33:00] | Beirdo: | mmm. dinner |
| [21:35:00] | stoffel: | at 4:35? silly beirdo |
| [21:36:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [21:48:00] | CyberKnet: | aaah. the infamous fake "Connection timed out" |
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| [21:48:00] | Ravenlost: | Hello. Can anyone help me out with MythTV? 2 things: when I go to "Watch TV" I can see and ear the channel.. but I can't change it.. the hole front end crashes... Secondly, if I try recording a show I did so just fine, but I don't have any sound in what was recorded.... Any help / clues ? Thanks. |
| [21:50:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: I can help you. |
| [21:50:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: Ya? You experienced the same problem ? |
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| [21:51:00] | Ediehow: | what is a nice, inexpensive card i can get to take the load off my processor for recording? |
| [21:51:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: No, I have never had that problem. But I would be happy to help show you how to find the solution |
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| [21:52:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: That has to be the most easily answered question ever. |
| [21:52:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: First, for proper sound setup... from what I've read, since I'm using ALSA, I should be putting ALSA:default as my audi device right? |
| [21:52:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: Please check mythtv.info |
| [21:53:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: Your tv card, it sounds like it has a cable going from it to your sound card, is that correct? |
| [21:53:00] | Ediehow: | CyberKnet: the pvr? |
| [21:53:00] | jspot: | I just modified my ati_remote module and reloaded it, but I dont think that it loaded my new version is there some way to verify which version loaded? |
| [21:53:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: Correct |
| [21:53:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: There are quite a few cards listed on mythtv-info and they all have their characteristics noted |
| [21:54:00] | Beirdo: | Hello, Ediehow. PVR[12]50 |
| [21:54:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: you need to select line in as your recording source. |
| [21:54:00] | Esotericisms: | how do I find out if my card can do btaudio? |
| [21:54:00] | Ediehow: | hi Beirdo |
| [21:54:00] | Ediehow: | is there any stable usb solution? |
| [21:54:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: Plextor. Go look. |
| [21:54:00] | Beirdo: | maybe the plextor |
| [21:54:00] | Ediehow: | http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/HardWare |
| [21:54:00] | Ediehow: | that's where i am looking now CyberKnet |
| [21:54:00] | Beirdo: | nothing reading wouldn't find ya :) |
| [21:54:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: that's a great start =) |
| [21:54:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: I actually just plugged in my speaker into my tuner card.. (doh!!! just realized.... THAT'S why I don't have any sound while recording!!!) lolololol |
| [21:55:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: good find. Well done =) |
| [21:55:00] | Ediehow: | Beirdo: you had recently said encoding w/mpeg2 w/pvr as opposed to mpeg4 w/software, the file size wouldn't be that different? |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | for the same bitrate, the same size |
| [21:57:00] | Ediehow: | so i am looking at $180 for plextor pvr, ok |
| [21:57:00] | Ediehow: | and it works out of box on usb 2.0 machines now? |
| [21:57:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: haha. Ok, but now. anothing I'm wondering, why is it that in my mythtv-setup, under my video (V4L) device, I have an entry for Audio dev. there has well has in the frontend. If I put in ALSA:default and close it off... when I redo the setup, it put backs /dev/dsp1 ... ???? |
| [21:57:00] | Ediehow: | i mean |
| [21:57:00] | Ediehow: | ource SDK for their ConvertX PVR |
| [21:57:00] | Ediehow: | it works stable w/mythtv? |
| [21:57:00] | Esotericisms: | does anyone know if 'wintv go' can do btaudio? |
| [21:58:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: dsp1 is good. |
| [21:58:00] | Beirdo: | AFAIK, Ediehow. |
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| [21:59:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: What? you don't have one of them? |
| [21:59:00] | Ediehow: | has anyone in here had experience w/plextor convertx? i want to buy it now if it's known to work well |
| [21:59:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: I'm using ALSA... if I do a 'cat devdsp1' I have no devices there...: cat: /dev/dsp1: No such device |
| [21:59:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: do ls -ld /dev/dsp* |
| [21:59:00] | Beirdo: | Ediehow: go read up in the mailinglists, etc |
| [21:59:00] | CyberKnet: | paste the results in pastebin.ca |
| [21:59:00] | Beirdo: | or buy it somewhere where you can return it |
| [22:00:00] | Ediehow: | Beirdo: judging from people you've spoken with, what is the general feeling? |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | not many people use it |
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| [22:00:00] | CyberKnet: | I definitely do not use it. |
| [22:00:00] | Ediehow: | from what i understand, this means iwould no longer have to use the loopback? |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | you have the same google I have :) |
| [22:00:00] | Ediehow: | it's $166 b/f shipping |
| [22:00:00] | Ravenlost: | http://pastebin.ca/11692 |
| [22:01:00] | Ediehow: | this could be good |
| [22:01:00] | Ediehow: | The PX-TV402U is the world?s first DivX Certified PVR. Recording video in the DivX format gives users the ability to record 3 times as much video as normal without sacrificing quality. |
| [22:01:00] | Ediehow: | i don't know how this is so cheap |
| [22:01:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: the only difference between a PVR-150 and the plextor device is a) the plextor device costs twice as much, b) the plextor device is USB and c) the plextor device does mPEG4 in hardware. |
| [22:01:00] | Ediehow: | the only caveat is that it's not HD, but i don't know how soon i'd use that |
| [22:02:00] | Ediehow: | CyberKnet: from what Beirdo says, though, mpeg2/mpeg4 is about the same size, i am confused |
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| [22:02:00] | Beirdo: | for the same bitrate |
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| [22:04:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: how do I really tell what is my sound device and mixer device since I'm using ALSA and KDE ? |
| [22:04:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: did you paste the info I asked for? |
| [22:04:00] | Ravenlost: | ya: http://pastebin.ca/11692 |
| [22:05:00] | CyberKnet: | you do have a /dev/dsp1 |
| [22:05:00] | CyberKnet: | leave it at /dev/dsp1 and then try to go into live tv |
| [22:05:00] | CyberKnet: | don't try to change the channel |
| [22:05:00] | CyberKnet: | tell me if you hear anything |
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| [22:06:00] | Ediehow: | hmm, a pvr-150 is exactly 1/2 the price |
| [22:07:00] | Ediehow: | as CyberKnet said |
| [22:07:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: yes, however, I have "ALSA:default" in the audio device in the frontend configs... |
| [22:07:00] | Ediehow: | Beirdo: i am just confused from what you said about mpeg4 beng same filesize for bitrate. what;s the advantage of mpeg4 then? |
| [22:07:00] | Beirdo: | potentially better quality for the same bitrate |
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| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | gooooogle |
| [22:08:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: plus, If I hit ESC to close, the video goes away, but the sound continues... |
| [22:08:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: excellent. |
| [22:08:00] | Ediehow: | oh, i see |
| [22:08:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: I need you to open up your mixer |
| [22:08:00] | Semhirage: | how can i distinguish audio input on the same card? |
| [22:08:00] | Ediehow: | i figured if it was the same bitrate, it would be, well, the same. |
| [22:08:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: alsamixer ? |
| [22:08:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: are you using Fedora? |
| [22:09:00] | Ravenlost: | <CyberKnet>: no, I'm on Gentoo |
| [22:09:00] | CyberKnet: | then yes, alsamixer will do |
| [22:09:00] | Ravenlost: | ok in it |
| [22:09:00] | CyberKnet: | I need you to mark Line In as Record, and also Mute |
| [22:10:00] | CyberKnet: | I can't tell you how to do that, because I haven't used alsa mixer in a long time. |
| [22:11:00] | Semhirage: | i have 2 signals coming into my card, and i get audio from both but only picture from one, how can i set it to only give me to audio that corresponds to the active video stream? |
| [22:11:00] | Ediehow: | It should be noted that the ConvertX will only output compressed video. This means that until support is added by projects like ivtv, mplayer, tvtime and xawtv, it can only be used to record video for playback later and cannot be used to watch TV live. Currently, MythTV (v0.18) is the only third-party application that can use the ConvertX to watch live TV and record video. |
| [22:11:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: Line In = just Line perhaps? |
| [22:11:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: Yes |
| [22:11:00] | Ediehow: | so mythtv should be ok w/it |
| [22:11:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: perhaps |
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| [22:11:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: ok, what do you mean to 'mask as record' ? To mute, I can... |
| [22:12:00] | CyberKnet: | 1 sec |
| [22:13:00] | CyberKnet: | select that channel, and press space |
| [22:13:00] | CyberKnet: | tell me if it looks like it changed some |
| [22:14:00] | Ravenlost: | ok. 1 sec |
| [22:15:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: I got a msg in frontend "Error was encountered while displaying video." |
| [22:16:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: go back into alsa mixer and copy the screen, and paste it into pastebin |
| [22:16:00] | CyberKnet: | I want to see what it look like |
| [22:18:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: http://pastebin.ca/11694 |
| [22:18:00] | Ediehow: | does the pvr-150 use audio loopback into sound card? |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | have you bothered to search online yet? |
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| [22:19:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: it got scrud in the pasting.. |
| [22:19:00] | Ediehow: | it looks like i can get the pvr-150 for about 1/3 the price of the other one |
| [22:19:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: hold on, I'll do a screenshot and paste on my web server |
| [22:19:00] | Ediehow: | assuming most of the pvr-150's are the same, like the avertv pvr 150 |
| [22:20:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: k. |
| [22:20:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: http://ravenlost.homelinux.org:8080/alsamixer.png |
| [22:21:00] | CyberKnet: | okay. that isn't set up right |
| [22:21:00] | CyberKnet: | move over ti Mic |
| [22:21:00] | CyberKnet: | move over to Mic. |
| [22:21:00] | Ediehow: | CyberKnet: is a pvr-150 a pvr-150? i mean, does it matter if i get the avermedia one? |
| [22:21:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: Of course it matters |
| [22:22:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: Mic? Okay, isn't that just for the microphoone? |
| [22:22:00] | Ediehow: | i thought it was more a chipset thing |
| [22:22:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: then press space |
| [22:22:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: Yes, we are removing the "CAPTUR" mark from it. |
| [22:22:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: space = 'M' to unmute? Just space doesn't do a thing/ |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | M is to unmute |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | space should remove the CAPTUR from the top |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | that is in red |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | if space doesn't work, you can try C, or R |
| [22:24:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: not working.... (?) |
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| [22:24:00] | Ravenlost: | I'll check te man page |
| [22:24:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: k |
| [22:24:00] | Ediehow: | hmm, it says wintv pvr and avermedia have issues with via chipset motherboards |
| [22:25:00] | revenger: | is there a way to tell mythbackend to run on the second screen? (using X with xinerama) |
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| [22:25:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: I'd get that thought of AVerMedia right out of your head if I were you. You want Hauppage or Plextor. |
| [22:26:00] | Ediehow: | k |
| [22:26:00] | Ravenlost: | <CyberKnet>: you're right... Space toggle Capture facility |
| [22:26:00] | Ediehow: | Hauppauge(Video Capture) |
| [22:26:00] | Ediehow: | -Mention PRICE WATCH – WINTV-PVR 150 MCE PCI RC-SVID MPEG2 720X576 MCE 2005DRIVER ONLY |
| [22:26:00] | Ediehow: | $71 for that one |
| [22:27:00] | Flimzy: | Whenever I attempt to start the backend, the log shows "No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP." What is that supposed to refer to, and how do I set it? |
| [22:27:00] | Ediehow: | well, that is hauppage |
| [22:27:00] | Ediehow: | i am just trying to think if it's worth paying $180 for the external plextor |
| [22:27:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: I wouldn't pay it. But that's me. |
| [22:27:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: We can't tell you if it is worth it to you to have USB and MPEG4. |
| [22:28:00] | Ediehow: | CyberKnet: i don't think i will either. i just am tired of my computer going to slow on recording/playback |
| [22:28:00] | Ravenlost: | <CyberKnet>: but still, it won't do a thing when I'm on mic. |
| [22:28:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: I don't mean to be rude... it's just a subjective issue. |
| [22:28:00] | Ediehow: | i know |
| [22:28:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: Well, let's move back to line |
| [22:28:00] | Ediehow: | so |
| [22:28:00] | Ediehow: | |
| [22:28:00] | Ediehow: | WINTV-PVR 150 MCE PCI RC-SVID MPEG2 720X576 MCE 2005DRIVER ONLY should be fine? |
| [22:28:00] | Ediehow: | http://www.sparco.com/cgi-bin/wfind2?spn=A77E985 |
| [22:29:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: ok |
| [22:29:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: I couldn't say. Try in #ivtv-dev iand see if they have a recommended dealer who provides known-working cards |
| [22:29:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: also, what user are you doing this as? |
| [22:29:00] | Ediehow: | well, this is a hauppage |
| [22:29:00] | Ediehow: | HAUPPAUGE WINTV-PVR 150 MCE PCI RC-SVID MPEG2 720X576 MCE 2005DRIVER ONLY |
| [22:29:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: There are multiple revisions |
| [22:30:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: root user. Note: I just hit the same on LINE and it put in CAPTURE.... now I can't remove it there also... |
| [22:30:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: that's okay. hit M now. |
| [22:30:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: to mute? |
| [22:30:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: Yes |
| [22:30:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: done |
| [22:31:00] | CyberKnet: | escape to quit |
| [22:31:00] | Ravenlost: | done |
| [22:31:00] | Ediehow: | <kvandivo> 150 support is emerging slowly, ymmv |
| [22:31:00] | CyberKnet: | open up xawtv |
| [22:31:00] | CyberKnet: | make sure you get no sound |
| [22:32:00] | Ravenlost: | <CyberKnet>: I only got tvtime. Not xawtv... that will do? |
| [22:32:00] | CyberKnet: | yes |
| [22:32:00] | Ediehow: | i thought 150 support was stable in mythtv? |
| [22:33:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: ymmv |
| [22:33:00] | Ediehow: | ugh |
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| [22:33:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php has instructions on how to get it working |
| [22:33:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: I got sound... but wait... Like I said earlier... my speakers are connected directly to my tuner card :p |
| [22:33:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: You need to correct that |
| [22:34:00] | Ravenlost: | yes indeed.. |
| [22:34:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: Get a cable and put it from the output on the tv card to line-in on your sound card (not microphone) |
| [22:34:00] | CyberKnet: | it might have a blue ring around it. Not a red ring or a green ring. |
| [22:34:00] | Ediehow: | oh, it doesn't use bttv |
| [22:34:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: no, it doesn't. |
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| [22:35:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: yeah... I need to find an extra one in all my cable and PC shit. :-( |
| [22:35:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: BRB |
| [22:35:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: a PVR-250MCE also goes for about the same as the 150 .... maybe a touch more |
| [22:35:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: they are much more stable. |
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| [22:36:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: it will still be about half the price of the plextor |
| [22:36:00] | ** CyberKnet wonders if j-rod joined to help Ediehow make a decision ** | |
| [22:36:00] | Ediehow: | oh ok |
| [22:37:00] | ** j-rod didn't join for any particular reason ** | |
| [22:37:00] | Ediehow: | CyberKnet: the pvr-250 looks to be $50 more |
| [22:37:00] | Ediehow: | the pvr-150 can use cable, right? |
| [22:37:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: I'll make a cable... with 2 old head sets I had.. lol |
| [22:38:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: *shrug* as long as it works. |
| [22:38:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: might like to pay attention to which wire is right and left on each headset. |
| [22:38:00] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [22:38:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: correct |
| [22:39:00] | Ediehow: | oh, the pvr-150 is the newest |
| [22:39:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: the PVR-250 is $50 more. the PVR-250MCE should not be |
| [22:39:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: true :-) |
| [22:39:00] | Ediehow: | yeah, the 250mc is still much more |
| [22:39:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: there's the rub. |
| [22:39:00] | Ediehow: | starting at least $50 more |
| [22:39:00] | Ediehow: | on pricewatch |
| [22:39:00] | CyberKnet: | more expensive but better tested, or cheaper and less tested |
| [22:40:00] | CyberKnet: | trade one way or the other |
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| [22:40:00] | Ediehow: | CyberKnet: is the pvr-150 just less tested cuz it's new? i mean, is it going to be working fine eventually? |
| [22:40:00] | j-rod: | the 150 works fine now |
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| [22:40:00] | j-rod: | well, some of them |
| [22:40:00] | j-rod: | :) |
| [22:40:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: You know better than to ask me to guarantee that a card will work perfectly in the future |
| [22:41:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: yes. that is what I am trying to explain to him |
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| [22:41:00] | j-rod: | Ediehow, listen to CyberKnet. :) |
| [22:41:00] | Ediehow: | j-rod: is there a way to guarantee i'll get a "good one"? |
| [22:41:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: I couldn't guarantee that the card would work in the future even if all of them worked perfectly right now. |
| [22:42:00] | j-rod: | the problematic ones seem to be the retail versions, the MCE ones less so |
| [22:42:00] | Ediehow: | k |
| [22:42:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: yours works, yes? |
| [22:42:00] | Ediehow: | [A77E985, HAUPPAUGE] |
| [22:42:00] | Ediehow: | WINTV-PVR 150 MCE PCI RC-SVID MPEG2 720X576 MCE 2005DRIVER ONLY |
| [22:42:00] | j-rod: | yup |
| [22:42:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: where did you buy it from? |
| [22:42:00] | Ediehow: | that's the one i am getting j-rod |
| [22:42:00] | j-rod: | I didn't buy it |
| [22:42:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: ah. :| |
| [22:42:00] | j-rod: | It was shipped to me gratis from Hauppauge. :) |
| [22:42:00] | j-rod: | along with a PVR-500 |
| [22:42:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: was hoping to give him a "buy it from xyz and you should be safe" |
| [22:42:00] | j-rod: | heh |
| [22:42:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: popular guy =) |
| [22:43:00] | j-rod: | Hauppauge sent out a few to devs to help with getting ivtv to support them better |
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| [22:43:00] | laga: | hauppauge rocks. |
| [22:43:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: We really cant tell you 100% for certain that that card will work. We can tell you it *should* work. |
| [22:43:00] | Ediehow: | j-rod: so buying a 150-mce, i should be pretty safe? |
| [22:43:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: they're okay. |
| [22:43:00] | j-rod: | should be, yeah |
| [22:43:00] | Ediehow: | k |
| [22:43:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: it's a nice gesture. |
| [22:44:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: 150's are down to what... sixty bucks? And I'm still putting off buying it because of cost =P" |
| [22:44:00] | laga: | they actually should hire some devs, though. |
| [22:44:00] | j-rod: | heh |
| [22:44:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: I'm rather frugal, I guess =P" |
| [22:44:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: it's a very nice gesture |
| [22:44:00] | j-rod: | laga, they've started to |
| [22:44:00] | Ediehow: | wait, i wonder if i can buy this at a local sto |
| [22:44:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: cheapskate ;) |
| [22:44:00] | Ediehow: | store |
| [22:44:00] | laga: | j-rod: really? CK for example? ;) |
| [22:44:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: actually, it's conextant that are the screwballs. |
| [22:44:00] | j-rod: | oh, you mean ivtv devs |
| [22:44:00] | Ediehow: | or if i bought one from a store, would it likely not be mce? |
| [22:44:00] | j-rod: | was thinking Linux in general |
| [22:45:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: yep, i've heard that. |
| [22:45:00] | j-rod: | much of the DVB Nova-T driver was done by a Hauppauge employee |
| [22:45:00] | laga: | j-rod: they're working on some kind of linux-based htpc,right? |
| [22:45:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: yeah, that's why I ammended my statement. Hauppauge are great folks. |
| [22:46:00] | j-rod: | laga, I'm not aware of them working on a linux-based htpc, but they could be... |
| [22:46:00] | j-rod: | Axel Thimm would know though |
| [22:46:00] | CyberKnet: | If only connextant would stop artificially lowering the price of their chips by charging a fortune for necessary access to the SDK :| |
| [22:46:00] | j-rod: | seeing as how he works for them :) |
| [22:46:00] | laga: | j-rod: i thought they showed something at the cebit. dunno, though |
| [22:46:00] | j-rod: | (as a contractor) |
| [22:46:00] | j-rod: | ah, yes, at cebit, Axel was running a few Myth boxes |
| [22:46:00] | laga: | j-rod: weren't you there, too? |
| [22:47:00] | j-rod: | nope, a bit far away for me |
| [22:47:00] | laga: | heh. |
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| [22:47:00] | ** j-rod lives on the west coast of the united states ** | |
| [22:47:00] | Ediehow: | j-rod: if i bought pvr-150 from a store, it would likely be mce or no? |
| [22:47:00] | laga: | i was going to visit the cebit, but i couldnt make it. maybe next year ;) |
| [22:48:00] | reel: | Ediehow: it would likely be whatever the box says it is |
| [22:48:00] | Ediehow: | i didn't know of MCE meant something like OEM or whatever |
| [22:48:00] | Ediehow: | just the card period |
| [22:48:00] | reel: | Media Center Edition |
| [22:48:00] | Ediehow: | in that case, obviously not |
| [22:48:00] | Ediehow: | oh ok |
| [22:49:00] | reel: | Amazon has a good price on them right now: $63. I got one from there recently |
| [22:49:00] | Ediehow: | reel: does that include shipping? |
| [22:49:00] | reel: | they have free shipping on those |
| [22:49:00] | Ediehow: | SHOOT |
| [22:49:00] | Ediehow: | really? |
| [22:49:00] | laga: | amazon does free shipping, iirc |
| [22:49:00] | CyberKnet: | free shipping == 2 weeks =P" |
| [22:49:00] | CyberKnet: | *grin* |
| [22:49:00] | laga: | here in germany, you get free shipping for everything over 20 euro. |
| [22:50:00] | reel: | I ordered on a Wed, got a shipped notice on Thursday, got it Saturday |
| [22:50:00] | Ediehow: | err, does the mce have a remote control? |
| [22:50:00] | CyberKnet: | reel: Yeah. it depends on the item, i think. |
| [22:50:00] | CyberKnet: | It can take up to a week to ship, and then three to five days delivery |
| [22:50:00] | reel: | I was surprised though. I got lucky |
| [22:50:00] | reel: | Ediehow: mce has FM support instead of a remote |
| [22:50:00] | CyberKnet: | I ordered, it took a week and a half to ship, and I had it the next day after that. |
| [22:50:00] | CyberKnet: | which was nice. |
| [22:50:00] | Ediehow: | ooooooh, that kinda stinks |
| [22:51:00] | laga: | night people |
| [22:51:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: as far as I can tell, my case was isolated |
| [22:51:00] | CyberKnet: | night laga |
| [22:51:00] | Ediehow: | well, i just ordered it for $70 |
| [22:51:00] | Ediehow: | man, i didn't know there was no remote:( |
| [22:51:00] | reel: | I am in the market for a remote now. I am thinking of getting a cheap IR keyboard/mouse off of ebay then learning the commands into my remote |
| [22:52:00] | CyberKnet: | Ediehow: get an infrared keyboard and use a learning remote. it's cheaper and easier. |
| [22:52:00] | Ediehow: | well, i have an infared remote now |
| [22:52:00] | Ediehow: | for my pctv |
| [22:53:00] | CyberKnet: | so why would you want another one? |
| [22:53:00] | Ediehow: | well, i was going to give the whole old thing to a friend |
| [22:53:00] | reel: | beggars can't be choosers. your friend doesn't need the remote :) |
| [22:54:00] | Ediehow: | :) |
| [22:55:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: back... I finished my cable, but have no clue if it works... |
| [22:55:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: open tvtime |
| [22:55:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: If I launch tvtime, I of course don't have any sound... |
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| [22:56:00] | CyberKnet: | and if you open mythtv and watch live tv? |
| [22:56:00] | Ravenlost: | ill try |
| [22:57:00] | Ediehow: | thanks again |
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| [22:58:00] | Ravenlost: | counld not connect to backend... : that's another issue: when the front end somehow crashes, it scrues up my backend.. and I can't fot a stop and restart.. I even tried deleting the PID files and all... |
| [23:00:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: if I check out 'ps -ef' I ain't got mythbackend running, I've deleted the PID from /var/run/mythtv/... and if I try to start it '/etc/init.d/mythbackend start' I get: ' * WARNING: "mythbackend" has already been started.' |
| [23:00:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: the only workaround I found so far was a reboot... (??) |
| [23:01:00] | CyberKnet: | try a reboot |
| [23:02:00] | Ravenlost: | ok brb |
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| [23:02:00] | egsavage: | on the subject of a remote, you're probably better off ordering a radio shack 2116/2117 – they have a good following |
| [23:03:00] | egsavage: | on the keyboard idea, anyone know of cheap IR keyboards? or even a RF one? One that can dock to charge would be nice too |
| [23:05:00] | reel: | i haven't seen a dockable keyboard yet but I haven't done a thorough search either |
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| [23:11:00] | D4vid: | anyone use nuvexport here ? |
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| [23:13:00] | D4vid: | (When I launch "nuvexport --title="xxx" --mode=dvd all works but when it start ffmpeg it stop "error openning file") |
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| [23:24:00] | CCRider: | I'm having trouble with a PVR250, it show's snow on cable input and black and white on svideo.....any ideas? |
| [23:25:00] | ** D4vid have checked in debug mode, the files exists when lauching ffmpeg ** | |
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| [23:32:00] | CCRider: | I've tried, different ferquenices, basic, broadcast and -HRC, all to no avail..... |
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| [23:34:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: hey!! I'm back :-) |
| [23:34:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: sorry, I don't think my cable was any good... so I went to RadioShack :-) |
| [23:35:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: here's the scoop: I was able make the sound work through tvtime by having set CAPTURE to my Line In in alsamixer... If I mute it, tv goes mute.. like we expected :-) |
| [23:39:00] | CyberKnet: | great. |
| [23:39:00] | CyberKnet: | leave it muted |
| [23:39:00] | CyberKnet: | then load mythfrontend |
| [23:39:00] | CyberKnet: | and go to live tv |
| [23:39:00] | CyberKnet: | do not try to change channels |
| [23:39:00] | CyberKnet: | we are just looking to see if sound is coming from MythTV |
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| [23:42:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: no.. ain't got any sound |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | *frown* |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | what field in frontend did you put ALSA:default |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | ? |
| [23:43:00] | Ravenlost: | in mythfrontend: utilities / setup, setup, general -> Next, Next then Audio Output Device: ALSA:default |
| [23:45:00] | CyberKnet: | okay. we have to change that. |
| [23:45:00] | Ravenlost: | to what? |
| [23:45:00] | CyberKnet: | *thinking* |
| [23:46:00] | Ravenlost: | http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/DigitalSoundHowTo |
| [23:46:00] | reel: | doesn't that depend on your .asoundrc file? |
| [23:46:00] | CyberKnet: | reel: it may. I dont have to do this on mine, I dont have bttv, I have a hardware mpeg2 card |
| [23:47:00] | Ravenlost: | what's the site to paste again in? |
| [23:48:00] | CyberKnet: | pastebin.ca |
| [23:48:00] | reel: | I have a hardware mpeg2 card also but this is for output? |
| [23:48:00] | Ravenlost: | I'll post my asound.conf file there and a quote from te URL I just pasted... |
| [23:48:00] | CyberKnet: | reel: yeah. I think for output he wants /dev/dsp1 |
| [23:49:00] | CyberKnet: | but I'm not sure what for his capture card |
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| [23:50:00] | Ravenlost: | http://pastebin.ca/11706 |
| [23:50:00] | reel: | I'd verify with a video file from elsewhere that sound is working. Then I'd cat the video capture to a file and verify sound is being recorded. Then if all those pass, I'd go through that page you linked and verify that myth is set up to output sound properly |
| [23:51:00] | CyberKnet: | reel: bttv cant do the cat test |
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| [23:53:00] | Ravenlost: | But the link I pasted seems to be talking more about nforce cards... I have a really plain SB Live card |
| [23:53:00] | CyberKnet: | I think it depends on whether you're using native alsa, or OSS emulation |
| [23:55:00] | CCRider: | anyone have any clues on the PVR250? and snow? but working slightly via svideo? |
| [23:55:00] | CyberKnet: | Ravenlost: I'd try putting our sound output to /dev/dsp1 |
| [23:56:00] | CyberKnet: | and then one at a time try /dev/dsp2 ... in the mythtvsetup for the capture card |
| [23:56:00] | CyberKnet: | but really you probably need someone else's help on this, and I have to go. |
| [23:56:00] | CyberKnet: | good luck. |
| [23:56:00] | reel: | oh that sucks |
| [23:56:00] | reel: | for my SB Live, I was using /dev/dsp |
| [23:56:00] | CyberKnet: | for sound output? |
| [23:56:00] | reel: | yes |
| [23:56:00] | CyberKnet: | yes. |
| [23:56:00] | CyberKnet: | that's what I'd expect |
| [23:57:00] | CyberKnet: | I expect that he will have to try dsp1 -> dsp# for the dsp of line in on his sblive |
| [23:57:00] | reel: | this was prior to video, just streaming mp3s to the stereo. I also used the OSS drivers |
| [23:57:00] | CyberKnet: | unless someone else can tell him what dsp the line in should be on |
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| [23:57:00] | CyberKnet: | anyways. |
| [23:57:00] | CyberKnet: | I have to leave |
| [23:57:00] | reel: | yes, me too. good luck to him |
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| [23:58:00] | CyberKnet: | good luck Ravenlost |
| [23:58:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: appreciate your time and help |
| [23:58:00] | Ravenlost: | CyberKnet: cya |
| [23:58:00] | Ravenlost: | reel: if I do a cat /dev/dsp* they all say no devices ... |
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