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Tuesday, May 10th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[00:00:00] Beirdo: TV time
[00:01:00] Beirdo: Oh look
[00:01:00] Beirdo: Water Rats on the PVR
[00:01:00] Beirdo: I thought I had recorded all the episodes that they had so far. Guess I missed a cople
[00:01:00] Beirdo: couple rather
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[00:26:00] ** xris wishes he had TIME for tv. **
[00:26:00] xris: right now, I just want a working nuvexport.
[00:26:00] xris: and a now, a good mpeg2 commercial cutter.
[00:28:00] kslater: how active are the voip conference calls?
[00:31:00] visit0r: xris: tried gopchop?
[00:31:00] visit0r: works for me
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[00:40:00] xris: visit0r: except that it only cuts on GOP's, which doesn't work.
[00:40:00] xris: that's why nuvexport has the horrible mess of using avidemux.
[00:41:00] xris: it's been suggested that I try gopdit to add to nuvexport, but I think it has the same problem as gopchop
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[00:58:00] sunilonln: can someone help me compile the new drivers for ivtv?
[01:02:00] j-rod: cd ivtv-0.3.4?/driver/; make; make install?
[01:03:00] sunilonln: i'm looking at this: http://www.ivtv.tv/releases/new_tuners/
[01:03:00] sunilonln: should i download the ivtv package instead?
[01:04:00] j-rod: yes
[01:04:00] j-rod: none of that crap is needed anymore if you have a relatively new kernel
[01:04:00] sunilonln: ok
[01:04:00] sunilonln: i'm running 2.6.11
[01:04:00] j-rod: and/or the 0.3.x tarballs include the necessary bits themselves
[01:04:00] sunilonln: i take it that's new enough
[01:04:00] j-rod: maybe
[01:04:00] j-rod: what card?
[01:05:00] sunilonln: pvr-150
[01:05:00] sunilonln: i can get a picture on composite, but not tuner
[01:05:00] j-rod: throw some log output on pastebin.ca and I can tell you what you need
[01:05:00] sunilonln: ok
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[01:07:00] sunilonln: pastebin.ca/11373
[01:08:00] j-rod: are you aware there are kernel module rpms available so you don't need to compile anything?
[01:09:00] sunilonln: yes, but i think i have gone through it already
[01:09:00] sunilonln: if you want to walk me through it
[01:09:00] sunilonln: i'd be happy to try again
[01:09:00] j-rod: either or
[01:09:00] sunilonln: i'm relatively new to linux and probably screwed it up myself
[01:09:00] sunilonln: so we can try the rpm
[01:10:00] j-rod: not sure you screwed up
[01:10:00] sunilonln: basically i have gone through jarod wilson's set up guide and everything works
[01:10:00] sunilonln: except the video capture
[01:10:00] j-rod: if that's the source version installed, its just the in-kernel versions are overriding
[01:10:00] j-rod: heh, btw, I *am* Jarod. :)
[01:10:00] sunilonln: oh
[01:10:00] sunilonln: hi
[01:10:00] j-rod: howdy
[01:10:00] sunilonln: :)
[01:11:00] sunilonln: so what do you want me to try?
[01:11:00] j-rod: first problem is the tveeprom version loading isn't new enough
[01:11:00] j-rod: first, rpm -qa | grep ivtv
[01:11:00] j-rod: make sure we don't have overlapping source and rpm installed ivtv bits
[01:12:00] sunilonln: i'll comment the output to the pastebin.ca entry
[01:12:00] j-rod: k
[01:12:00] sunilonln: ok it's commented
[01:13:00] j-rod: and modprobe.conf contents?
[01:13:00] j-rod: I'm guessing the rpm-installed version is what's actually getting loaded
[01:14:00] sunilonln: also commented
[01:14:00] j-rod: since its module path superceded /lib/modules/<kernel>/ivtv/
[01:14:00] j-rod: ah, okay
[01:14:00] j-rod: for the rpm install, you also need some alias commands to use the ivtv-provided tveeprom and tuner
[01:15:00] sunilonln: ok
[01:15:00] j-rod: which I've stupidly left out of the 150/500 section
[01:15:00] j-rod: :)
[01:15:00] j-rod: alias tveeprom tveeprom-ivtv
[01:15:00] j-rod: alias tuner tuner-ivtv
[01:15:00] sunilonln: ok
[01:15:00] j-rod: add those and bounce the box
[01:16:00] sunilonln: should i add those at the bottom?
[01:16:00] j-rod: sure
[01:16:00] sunilonln: k
[01:18:00] sunilonln: hopefully this works
[01:19:00] sunilonln: then next weekend i'll swap out my scan converter with a tv-out card
[01:20:00] xris: j-rod: do you have any idea why I needed to add manual modprobes to rc.local for the ivtv stuff?
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[01:20:00] j-rod: is that even with the patched rc.sysinit?
[01:21:00] jemarcks: xris, u have the same problem. ivtv wasnt geting loaded at boot
[01:21:00] jemarcks: xris,l mean i have the same problem you do.
[01:21:00] j-rod: hm, nothing in rc.local for me after patching rc.sysinit...
[01:22:00] sunilonln: pastebin.ca/11374 has new output
[01:22:00] sunilonln: still not getting pictuer
[01:22:00] sunilonln: but it's setting a tuner type
[01:22:00] j-rod: its on my laundry list to figure out how to get ivtv to report the same thing back bttv does when kmodule is called by rc.sysinit so the patch isn't needed...
[01:23:00] jemarcks: i havent patched rc.sysinit yet.... hmmmm
[01:23:00] j-rod: sunilonln, the log output looks good...
[01:23:00] j-rod: ivtv won't auto-load on a udev system
[01:24:00] j-rod: sunilonln, what input is active if you look at the ivtvctl -a output?
[01:24:00] sunilonln: 1 sec
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[01:25:00] jemarcks: I use tuner0.... for now. I have a pvr150
[01:25:00] j-rod: FC3 does some magic w/kmodule to get a listing of what modules should be loaded
[01:25:00] j-rod: if you look at the kmodule output for bttv, you can see that it reports CAPTURE back
[01:25:00] j-rod: ivtv reports nothing
[01:25:00] j-rod: so FC3's rc.sysinit doesn't know what to do with it
[01:25:00] j-rod: the module got force-loaded on pre-udev systems when /dev/video0 was accessed
[01:26:00] j-rod: but with no /dev/video0 already there, that doesn't work
[01:26:00] sunilonln: i commented the output
[01:27:00] jemarcks: Anybody have a good procedure to burn a dvd with .nuv files?
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[01:28:00] j-rod: sunilonln, try this
[01:28:00] j-rod: ivtvctl -p 6
[01:28:00] j-rod: then try a capture
[01:28:00] jemarcks: thats tuner0
[01:28:00] j-rod: yes
[01:29:00] j-rod: oh, shit
[01:29:00] jemarcks: ?
[01:29:00] j-rod: nm, its already set to that
[01:29:00] sunilonln: k
[01:29:00] j-rod: was looking in the wrong place in the output
[01:30:00] jemarcks: what is the audio input set to? ivtvctl -A
[01:31:00] sunilonln: pasted output
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[01:35:00] j-rod: odd, everything looks correct...
[01:36:00] sunilonln: hmm
[01:37:00] j-rod: are you tuned to a known-working channel?
[01:37:00] sunilonln: yes
[01:38:00] sunilonln: i'm going to go check connections
[01:38:00] sunilonln: brb
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[01:38:00] j-rod: ok
[01:39:00] ** kormoc waves **
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[01:40:00] sunilonln: ok i got it working
[01:40:00] j-rod: yay :)
[01:40:00] j-rod: what was it?
[01:40:00] j-rod: hasta la vista, kormoc
[01:40:00] sunilonln: connection i think
[01:40:00] xris: ok, headed home, too
[01:40:00] j-rod: (assuming you're waving goodbye)
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[01:41:00] sunilonln: audio isn't proccessing well
[01:41:00] sunilonln: and it freezes when i try to change the channel
[01:41:00] sunilonln: but, hey, i had video for a bit
[01:41:00] j-rod: progress, I guess... ;-)
[01:41:00] sunilonln: mythfrontend output is saying "waited too long for decoder to pause"
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[01:42:00] Grooby: can someone help me out w/ my mythmusic and spdif output?
[01:44:00] sunilonln: how do i check cpu usage?
[01:44:00] Grooby: top
[01:45:00] sunilonln: hmm, i'm getting 40% usage just to play live tv
[01:45:00] sunilonln: is that normal?
[01:45:00] iggy: do you deinterlacing enabled?
[01:45:00] sunilonln: cpu is p3 1ghz, with 512 ram
[01:45:00] j-rod: depends on what you have for a cpu, what you have for a video out device, etc
[01:45:00] sunilonln: i'm just playing the output in mplayer
[01:46:00] sunilonln: mythfrontend
[01:46:00] sunilonln: oops
[01:46:00] j-rod: what's your video card?
[01:46:00] iggy: that actually sounds about right for a p3 1G playing an mpeg stream
[01:46:00] sunilonln: ok
[01:46:00] j-rod: yeah, what iggy said
[01:47:00] sunilonln: 52% used when playing back in myth
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[01:49:00] sunilonln: anyone know what could be causing the problem when trying to change channels?
[01:50:00] j-rod: not a clue, I only fired up live TV in myth for like the first time in a month yesterday. :)
[01:50:00] sunilonln: haha
[01:50:00] sunilonln: ok
[01:50:00] j-rod: look in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[01:50:00] j-rod: could be something telling in there
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[01:52:00] sunilonln: don't see anything interesting
[01:53:00] iggy: you can try to turn up the debugging
[01:53:00] sunilonln: how would i do that?
[01:55:00] iggy: restart mythbackend with a special parameter
[01:56:00] sunilonln: ok, i'm going to troubleshoot audio first, that might be causing it according to the docs
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[01:57:00] sunilonln: yeah, it's changing channels with the sound disabled
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[02:00:00] j-rod: iggy, do any pvr-150 or 500 cards actually use an msp34xx?
[02:00:00] j-rod: I can't for the life of me remember
[02:00:00] j-rod: I know I get tveeprom output on my 500 that says one is found
[02:00:00] j-rod: just wondering if his audio issue is due to needing the ivtv-provided msp3400 instead
[02:01:00] j-rod: sunilonln, it shouldn't hurt to try adding 'alias msp3400 msp3400-ivtv' to modprobe.conf and reload everything
[02:01:00] sunilonln: ok
[02:01:00] j-rod: (though your card shows something about a TDA9850 on the line where my 500 shows msp3400)
[02:03:00] sunilonln: rebooting..
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[02:03:00] LedHed: Hello
[02:04:00] opello: j-rod: i have "tveeprom: audio_processor = MSP3410D (type = 5)" for my pvr-500
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[02:05:00] sunilonln: would you like me to paste the ivtv output again?
[02:06:00] LedHed: When I try to RIP a DVD I only have the option of Perfect. How can I change this?
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[02:08:00] sunilonln: same problem is still occurring
[02:11:00] ** xris just figured out why nuvexport's mencoder doesn't work... mencoder likes to be able to seek, which you can't do on a fifo **
[02:13:00] ** xris kicks ffmpeg for being crappy **
[02:13:00] ** j-rod kicks crap for being ffmpeggy **
[02:13:00] xris: lol
[02:14:00] xris: the xvid exporter is half the speed of transcode (with noise reduction enabled), and the quality sucks.
[02:15:00] LedHed: xris, when I go to rip a DVD I can only rip Perfect any ideas?
[02:15:00] j-rod: start mtd?
[02:16:00] xris: but transcode has issues with (I think) its deinterlacer so that if you crop the beginning of a show it gets all skippy for about 5 seconds (regardless of if you use mythtranscode to do the cutting, or transcode's internal stuff directly working on an mpeg2 recording)
[02:16:00] LedHed: it is. has to be to get to that point
[02:16:00] j-rod: ah
[02:16:00] xris: LedHed: not a clue — I don't use myth for that.
[02:16:00] j-rod: (me neither)
[02:16:00] LedHed: thank
[02:18:00] xris: my dvd player has component out, which is better than my mythbox,so I'd rather just use my dvd player.
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[02:21:00] Esotericisms: anyone around that can help?
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[02:22:00] Esotericisms: anyone around?
[02:22:00] j-rod: can help ... deliver a baby?
[02:22:00] j-rod: can help ... you do your taxes?
[02:22:00] ** xris throws a life preserver at Esotericisms, in case he's drowning. **
[02:23:00] Esotericisms: having an issue getting xmltv installed
[02:23:00] Esotericisms: sorry
[02:23:00] Esotericisms: getting compilation errors
[02:23:00] xris: Esotericisms: you're in the US?
[02:23:00] Esotericisms: xris, yes
[02:23:00] xris: then you don't use xmltv
[02:23:00] Esotericisms: I am running debian
[02:23:00] Esotericisms: alright ... what do I use?
[02:24:00] xris: datadirect. it's build into mythtv. read the instructions.
[02:24:00] xris: search the documentation for zap2it
[02:24:00] Esotericisms: gotcha ... wasn't that clear in the documentation
[02:24:00] Esotericisms: thanks ... I see the info regarding zap2it
[02:24:00] rtsai1111: anyone know how to tell if a card is curently in use for recording?
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[02:25:00] dhofstra: I think system status as well as mythweb can tell you which cards are currently recording
[02:25:00] j-rod: information center -> system status
[02:25:00] rtsai1111: i mean on the shell
[02:25:00] rtsai1111: for a DVB-based system
[02:25:00] j-rod: ah
[02:25:00] j-rod: no clue
[02:26:00] rtsai1111: For V4L I could use "dd if=/dev/video32", and if that failed, I knew myth was busy recording
[02:26:00] ** j-rod pets Syth theme... **
[02:26:00] xris: syth?
[02:26:00] xris: lxmsuite one?
[02:26:00] j-rod: yup
[02:26:00] Nod51: I am getting a Segmentation fault when I try to view the Program Guide, any idea why?
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[02:26:00] xris: gecko is supposed to get me a login there at some point. I want to play with the movie times stuff to get that put into mythweb.
[02:27:00] j-rod: and working beautifully with the -fixes branch
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[02:27:00] xris: cool
[02:27:00] Nod51: what is the easiest way to tell mythtv to record from say, 5:00pm for 1/2 hour mon-fri?
[02:27:00] Esotericisms: I don't have qmake ... how can I install?
[02:28:00] j-rod: get qmake
[02:28:00] Esotericisms: where?
[02:28:00] j-rod: xris, yeah, likewise
[02:28:00] j-rod: I just have the theme at the moment
[02:28:00] xris: Esotericisms: it's part of qt-devel, usually.
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[02:30:00] ** xris gives up on gopdit. only works up GOP's. that sucks. **
[02:31:00] xris: j-rod: gotcha. well, hopefully they'll hook him up with info soon. I'm curious to see where this project is heading.
[02:31:00] jemarcks: mchou, howdy
[02:31:00] xris: hmm, I guess I should scan for air2pc channels now.
[02:32:00] xris: j-rod: btw, KING has a perfect lock for me.
[02:32:00] j-rod: xris, yeah, me too
[02:32:00] xris: KCPQ is basically empty.
[02:32:00] j-rod: I get a halfway decent signal during prime-time (55%-ish)
[02:32:00] j-rod: but it drops to like 23% any other time
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[02:32:00] xris: I don't know how to tell that. just what azap tells me.
[02:32:00] j-rod: KCPQ is around 55–60
[02:32:00] xris: status 1f | signal fa10 | snr d85c | ber 00000058 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK
[02:33:00] xris: stupid airport.
[02:33:00] xris: stupid hill
[02:33:00] j-rod: you can (briefly) see the signal strength percentage when doing the channel scan in myth
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[02:34:00] j-rod: got it from dtvsignal out of pchdtv-utils too, when using the v4l driver w/an hd2k or 3k
[02:34:00] rtsai1111: does myth do the exact same thing as azap?
[02:34:00] dopester: yep
[02:34:00] rtsai1111: azap tells me FE_HAS_LOCK, but in myth I can't watch that channel
[02:34:00] xris: ok, doing a full channel scan
[02:34:00] j-rod: xris, for clarification, that "yeah, me too" was about lxm, not KING
[02:35:00] rtsai1111: works for all channels except for ABC (fortunately, I hardly ever watch it, but annoying anyway)
[02:35:00] xris: j-rod: rigured
[02:35:00] xris: figured
[02:35:00] dopester: the lock might only last for a second, and not be long enough to be usable
[02:35:00] j-rod: one other thing you might try is setting the card to TS mode, could be KING does something wonky
[02:35:00] rtsai1111: that channel was fine when i was on v4l (HD-3000) before I switched over to DVB (I am in TS mode now).
[02:35:00] j-rod: (I've got my card in TS mode atm)
[02:35:00] dopester: ts mide is what you shoudl be using anyway
[02:35:00] xris: j-rod: well, my problems are that the backend won't send data to the frontend.
[02:35:00] Esotericisms: I got the error "no rule to make target '/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by 'Makefile'. Stop. .... it did that on make
[02:35:00] Esotericisms: after qmake mythtv.pro
[02:36:00] xris: but will try that
[02:36:00] xris: dopester: should I set that before or after the scan? (or does it matter?)
[02:36:00] j-rod: anyone interested in an iPod-like theme for Myth?
[02:36:00] dopester: xris: doesn't matter when you set it
[02:36:00] xris: ok
[02:36:00] ** xris tries to remember where that setting is. **
[02:36:00] LedHed: j-rod, sure just leave out the apple
[02:36:00] dopester: its only how it stores the data when recording
[02:36:00] xris: recording profiles?
[02:36:00] Esotericisms: I got the error "no rule to make target '/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by 'Makefile'. Stop. .... it did that on make
[02:37:00] j-rod: or get sued... ;)
[02:37:00] xris: Esotericisms: ./configure
[02:37:00] xris: qmake mythtv.pro
[02:37:00] j-rod: my little brother mocked up the iPod-like media center interface...
[02:37:00] Esotericisms: I did that already
[02:37:00] xris: I think that's it.
[02:37:00] Esotericisms: just did it again ... got the same error
[02:37:00] xris: I haven't compiled by hand in so long, I forget,though
[02:37:00] Esotericisms: did configure
[02:38:00] Esotericisms: did qmake mythtv.pro
[02:38:00] Esotericisms: when I do make i get that error
[02:38:00] dhofstra: Esotericisms: do you have the environmental variables setup ok as per the error?
[02:38:00] rtsai1111: eso: you need to set QTDIR (or something like that) to /usr/share/qt3 or wherever your qmake.conf lives (do a "locate qmake.conf")
[02:38:00] xris: Esotericisms: my bad. I do call make after qmake
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[02:38:00] dhofstra: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.2
[02:39:00] Esotericisms: dhofstra is that for me to look at?
[02:40:00] dhofstra: just a link on how to setup environmental variables... wouldnt hurt to look at .. =)
[02:40:00] j-rod: later all, off to face traffic for an hour or so...
[02:40:00] xris: :)
[02:40:00] xris: drive savely
[02:41:00] xris: safely, even
[02:41:00] j-rod: :S
[02:41:00] j-rod: driving savely...
[02:41:00] j-rod: :)
[02:41:00] j-rod: I'll have to try both
[02:41:00] j-rod: hasta
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[02:41:00] xris: hmm, mythfrontend isn't letting me use the air2pc
[02:42:00] xris: switching cards just sends me back to the pvr-150
[02:42:00] Esotericisms: I don't understand the link section of the env variables
[02:42:00] dhofstra: Esotericisms: what link section in particular?
[02:42:00] Esotericisms: about mkspecs
[02:43:00] Esotericisms: right before header distribution specific notes
[02:43:00] mchou: xris: man, you didn't get my corrected script?
[02:43:00] xris: mchou: I haven't even gotten that far. just trying to tune channels first.
[02:43:00] mchou: lol.
[02:43:00] jemarcks: mchou, hey!
[02:43:00] dhofstra: Esotericisms: you should have a link in that folder called default
[02:43:00] mchou: hey jemarcks
[02:44:00] Esotericisms: to where?
[02:44:00] jemarcks: mchou, im trying to get a recording ready to burn on dvd!
[02:44:00] dhofstra: Esotericism: it is distro specific, but mine links to linux-g++
[02:45:00] xris: w00t. I got something
[02:45:00] xris: it's all skippy, though. I wonder if that's a bandwidth issue.
[02:46:00] dopester: xris: 10bt?
[02:46:00] mchou: skippy means your cpu aint powerful enough.
[02:46:00] xris: 100
[02:46:00] xris: 6–7M/s
[02:46:00] rtsai1111: it could be the channel
[02:46:00] rtsai1111: try a different channel?
[02:46:00] xris: mchou: dual athlon 1900 should be plenty fast
[02:46:00] dhofstra: skippy as in too low of a cpu, or skippy as in antenna reception
[02:46:00] mchou: xris: SORRY, NO.
[02:46:00] Esotericisms: I am assuming I should probably change from stable to unstable install for my debian install to get mythtv to work
[02:47:00] dopester: the backend will let ya know if the channel reception is not good
[02:47:00] xris: reception is fine. I'm 3 miles from the antenna
[02:47:00] mchou: dual 1900 is about as good as 1 1900.....
[02:47:00] rtsai1111: esotericisms: i've been using testing, you shouldhave to go all the way to unstable if you don't want to
[02:47:00] mchou: so your box is not powerful enough.
[02:48:00] xris: it's weird, too. black bars on top, bottom and left, and a pink one on the right.
[02:48:00] Esotericisms: rtsai1111, what does your sources list look like ?
[02:48:00] Esotericisms: does it just say testing where it would say stable?
[02:48:00] rtsai1111: I think so. I've never used stable :)
[02:48:00] rtsai1111: I used to use: deb http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free
[02:48:00] rtsai1111: Now I use: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[02:49:00] rtsai1111: I think you just replace stable with testing
[02:49:00] dhofstra: you might get a 1900 do do hdtv if you dare to go the xvmc route... heh
[02:49:00] rtsai1111: But I don't know that stable won't get you a working myth setup.
[02:49:00] xris: well, that's good to know, I guess.
[02:50:00] xris: I'll be upgrading my machine at some point, anyway... as soon as intel sends out another good deal.
[02:50:00] dhofstra: xris: FYI I can get great HD at about 85% cpu on a celeron D 2.5ghz
[02:50:00] xris: well, my main mythbox is a 2.4G p4, so that should be ok
[02:50:00] dhofstra: fine
[02:50:00] bomba: replace debian with gentoo
[02:50:00] xris: I'm curious about the pink bar, though
[02:51:00] dhofstra: never seen a pink bar, but could your monitor be packing a bunch of pixels that are actually running off the side?
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[02:51:00] xris: about 300 pixel border around the video
[02:52:00] xris: can't screenshot because it's XV
[02:52:00] dhofstra: dunno, but then I use the pchdtv
[02:53:00] xris: I assume it has something to do with widescreen vs not
[02:53:00] awb4422: this is kind of OT – does anyone know of a movie collection organizer. I find one called monotheka, but it requires mono 1.1.*, which some distros dont yet include
[02:53:00] xris: the pink bar comes from the 4:3 stuff on hd channels
[02:53:00] awb4422: i'm not looking for something super fancy, just an imdb query feature
[02:53:00] dhofstra: awb4422: i use videodb and it is really nice
[02:53:00] dhofstra: really really nice
[02:54:00] xris: but it's cropped.. channel number (from myth) is cropped, as is the channel logo
[02:54:00] awb4422: dhofstra – doesnt that require mysql and php?
[02:54:00] dhofstra: awb4422 http://lisadaveh.cjb.net/videodb/index.php and yes probably, but what distro cant do mysql and php?
[02:55:00] awb4422: none, but i was looking for more of a client based
[02:55:00] awb4422: i'll try that though
[02:55:00] xris: but hey, at least it's recording...
[02:55:00] awb4422: thx
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[02:57:00] ** dhofstra added some stuff to the wikipedia definition of mythtv.. heh thats pretty cool **
[02:58:00] sunilonln: what would be the best way to password protect mythweb?
[02:58:00] sunilonln: what would be the best way to password protect mythweb?
[02:59:00] dhofstra: isnt there something in the mythweb readme? something about htaccess?
[02:59:00] sunilonln: maybe.. i'll look
[02:59:00] sunilonln: thanks
[03:01:00] Esotericisms: well I am doing a dist upgrade of my debian to sarge ... so I am going to try this again after it updates tonight
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[03:05:00] awb4422: for all you debianites out there... i've typically stuck to stock debian repo's, but how safe would it be to use packages from http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org? I understand that its in experimental...
[03:05:00] rtsai1111: i only switched to ubuntu because the alioth servers are *slow*
[03:06:00] awb4422: ubuntu is nice, but i really need something that has mono 1.1
[03:06:00] awb4422: im building gentoo on my box right now... now that is SLOW
[03:07:00] Esotericisms: I am just trying to get mythtv to work :/
[03:07:00] Esotericisms: got my wintv go card today and all my other parts from around the house ;)
[03:08:00] dhofstra: awb4422: I may be wrong, but I think suse 9.3 has mono, I could check if you like
[03:08:00] dhofstra: Esotericisms: building from scratch isnt that bad, but if your distro has packages, it may be lots easier
[03:08:00] awb4422: ah i see..im trying to stay away from rpm's, but if it has it... i might give it a try
[03:08:00] dhofstra: let me check a sec, booting up
[03:09:00] awb4422: cool thx
[03:10:00] dhofstra: it has beagle, and I think that uses mono, but still booting to check
[03:10:00] rtsai1111: Is pkg-mono a complete distro, or is it just one more line you can add to sources.list?
[03:11:00] awb4422: beagle uses mono
[03:11:00] sunilonln: did anyone have any ideas for my audio problems?
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[03:11:00] awb4422: rtsai1111: one line
[03:11:00] Esotericisms: I have done t he whole gentoo route ... don't care to do it again atm
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[03:12:00] rtsai1111: then your risk ought to be limited to just the pkg-mono stuff. In any case, dist-upgrade will tell you what it wants to "fix" to give you time to abort
[03:12:00] dhofstra: awb4422: suse 9.3 has mono 1.1.4–15
[03:12:00] awb4422: nice
[03:13:00] rtsai1111: FWIW, Ubuntu appears to have a bunch of mono stuff too
[03:13:00] rtsai1111: so deb packages are out there
[03:13:00] awb4422: ubuntu does have mono, but it is 1.0.5
[03:14:00] rtsai1111: ah
[03:14:00] dhofstra: BTW : 9.3 is only for sale right now, personal version will be out in a few months
[03:14:00] awb4422: ubuntu breezy has 1.1.7
[03:14:00] awb4422: maybe ill dist-upgrade :/
[03:17:00] dhofstra: awb 4422: sourceforge has lots of movie database software: here is a java one http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmm/
[03:17:00] awb4422: i just checked that out
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[03:19:00] awb4422: dhofstra: i think i'm going to use the one that you use
[03:19:00] dhofstra: it is web-base, but easy to setup and backup
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[03:22:00] challenged: howdy all: im looking to set up mythtv on my debian sarge box....i dont see any sarge debs around is there a conflict there?
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[03:22:00] challenged: also whats the best card/cpu/MB fro me to purchase for said beast
[03:24:00] challenged: hmm population = zero?
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[03:25:00] iggy: challenged: !via
[03:28:00] challenged: !via
[03:28:00] challenged: hmm bloodbot dead?
[03:28:00] MiX-MaN: anyone know where a good howto guide for slackware/mythtv is?
[03:29:00] challenged: are the haupagge pvr 500 cards supported ?
[03:30:00] challenged: it seems some people complain about quality but i cant find a chronological line on it
[03:32:00] iggy: challenged: I was saying "anything except via"
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[03:36:00] challenged: iggy : ahh hehe kk well i figured that coz of the dma issues
[03:36:00] challenged: im just about to go out and buy a PC to do myth/dvd archives
[03:37:00] iggy: I've had good luck with nforce2+athlon xp's
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[03:38:00] challenged: cool, much diff between intel & AMD speeds comparatively...ie amd do it alot better?
[03:39:00] iggy: not really
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[03:39:00] iggy: I'm just a cheap shit, so I don't buy intel
[03:39:00] dhofstra: I think the intel stuff does do a better job on High Def stuff , and the celeron D is a pretty cheap chip
[03:41:00] iggy: personally, since I've had an athlon64 at work, I'm not getting anything else (especially those winchester cores)
[03:41:00] ** iggy rubs his nipples **
[03:41:00] iggy: but I've never used ivtv/mythtv on it
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[03:54:00] challenged: well im thinking dual cpu p4s....nvidia something card (not gaming much ) and maybee a pvr350 hauppage card...
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[03:55:00] challenged: should be ample for what i need myth wise but i will be running other frontends around the house too
[04:00:00] xris: kormoc is nuts. must have no tastebuds.
[04:00:00] kormoc: Ooh?
[04:00:00] xris: frostbite
[04:00:00] xris: 1M scoville
[04:01:00] xris: wacky kormoc
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[04:01:00] kormoc: hehe, yeah, it's gonna be hot :)
[04:02:00] kormoc: tho, if you noticed, I said, Aww shit, that white hot sauce is 1 million scoville
[04:02:00] xris: yes
[04:03:00] kormoc: so I'm just a tad (read hell of a sure) worried that it's gonna be too hot :P
[04:04:00] xris: heh
[04:04:00] xris: well, it'll just have to be something you add to food, rather than eat AS food.
[04:05:00] kormoc: yeah :)
[04:05:00] xris: I'll stick with the mild but flavorful stuff, myself.
[04:05:00] kormoc: I got a jar of the mild but pepper rich flavor stuff
[04:05:00] kormoc: so maybe I'll mix a little
[04:06:00] xris: yeah, would definitely be good for turning the heat up in stuff like that.
[04:06:00] xris: or for chili
[04:07:00] ** kormoc nods **
[04:09:00] mchou: habernero??
[04:10:00] mchou: scottish bonnet?
[04:10:00] xris: http://www.sweatnspice.com/proddetail.php?prod=169&cat=5
[04:10:00] mchou: most hot sauces aren't very hot.....
[04:11:00] xris: 1M scoville is hot
[04:11:00] kormoc: mchou, it's 1,000,000 scoville
[04:11:00] kormoc: mchou, haberneros are 200,000 to 500,000 scoville
[04:11:00] mchou: bah, try some thai hot saouse. So hot it breaks scoville :)
[04:11:00] xris: kormoc: 100–350k
[04:11:00] kormoc: ahh
[04:11:00] mchou: sauce*
[04:11:00] kormoc: nah
[04:11:00] kormoc: http://www.sweatnspice.com/proddetail.php?prod=429&cat=17
[04:12:00] kormoc: pure crystal capsaicin
[04:12:00] xris: thai hot sauce? you mean chili paste? I think it usually ranks around 100k (if that)
[04:12:00] kormoc: can't get hotter
[04:12:00] ** kormoc nods **
[04:12:00] kormoc: thai is about 100k to 150k or so iirc
[04:12:00] kormoc: triditional that is
[04:12:00] mchou: $200??? What a rip.
[04:12:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[04:12:00] kormoc: for that much capsaicin, it's worth it
[04:12:00] kormoc: if you can use it that is
[04:12:00] xris: thai peppers rank 50–100k scoville. so chili paste can't get MUCH hotter than that (a little bit, by reducing it, which they do)
[04:13:00] mchou: kormoc: I didnt mean thai chili peepers, I meant thai hot sauce :)
[04:13:00] ** xris wonders what you could even cook with a DROP of that stuff. **
[04:13:00] mchou: peppers*
[04:13:00] xris: mchou: he heard you. the chili paste really isn't that hot in comparison. you can only get so hot by reducing them to paste
[04:13:00] kormoc: xris, that 16 million reserve is crystal, like salt
[04:13:00] ** kormoc nods **
[04:14:00] xris: kormoc: ah, thought he mixed it with an oil or something to keep it liquid.
[04:14:00] xris: or partly liquid
[04:14:00] kormoc: yeah, the 6 am stuff is
[04:14:00] kormoc: the 16 million reserve is pure capsaicin crystal
[04:14:00] xris: ah. but that's only 3M or something, no?
[04:14:00] kormoc: nah, the 6 am is 13.5 million to 16 million, depending if you hit a cryatal in it
[04:14:00] mchou: athing that adds vinegar isn't really hot (since vinegar will only make it "taste" hot)
[04:14:00] mchou: anything*
[04:15:00] kormoc: vinegar keeps it liquid
[04:15:00] kormoc: http://www.sweatnspice.com/hot-sauce/blairs-6am.php
[04:15:00] xris: kormoc: I must have been reading about the 3 AM stuff, thn
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[04:15:00] ** kormoc nods **
[04:16:00] mchou: bah, I tried all those hot sauces from these boutiques. They arent hot at all. The only thing hot on them are the packaging.
[04:16:00] kormoc: mchou, I eat habanaros as snacks, if that gives you ideas on my heat tollerence.
[04:16:00] ** kormoc loves deep fried habanaros. **
[04:17:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[04:17:00] Beirdo: nutcase :)
[04:17:00] kormoc: mchou, where do you live?
[04:17:00] mchou: kormoc: bah, that aint nothing.
[04:17:00] ** kormoc wants to bring over some hot sauces. **
[04:17:00] xris: brb. stupid X forwarding is broken.
[04:17:00] mchou: Northern CA.
[04:17:00] kormoc: ooh, close!
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[04:17:00] kormoc: I'll stop by with some hot sauces on my way though sometime
[04:17:00] mchou: I eat hot sauces for breakfast.
[04:17:00] kormoc: and yo ucan chug them down
[04:17:00] kormoc: okay, I'm gonna hold you to it!
[04:18:00] mchou: If the food aint spicy, by definition it's not food :)
[04:18:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[04:18:00] kormoc: we'll see
[04:19:00] mchou: kormoc: if you are ever in Portland, go visit this rest called Salvado Mollys.
[04:19:00] ** kormoc nods **
[04:19:00] kormoc: I've heard bout that
[04:19:00] mchou: only restaurant where I've been blown out by the heat.
[04:19:00] kormoc: it's not that bad I've heard.
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[04:19:00] mchou: they have a heat scale of 1–20.
[04:20:00] ** kormoc nods **
[04:20:00] mchou: 1–10: jalapeno, 10–20 habernero.
[04:20:00] kormoc: what did you eat at?
[04:20:00] mchou: I ordered a 20 and managed to finish (with difficulty)
[04:21:00] mchou: kormoc: hmm???
[04:21:00] kormoc: so why do you tihnk you can eat a hot sauce 3x as hot as haberneros?
[04:21:00] kormoc: 3x to 10x as hot :P
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[04:21:00] mchou: cause those sauces are for pussies. These are fresh peppers ground up. No comparison.
[04:22:00] Beirdo: heheh
[04:22:00] kormoc: yeah? I eat habanaros deep fried hole with the seeds, yum yum!
[04:22:00] kormoc: putting peppers into food is for wimps ;)
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[04:22:00] kormoc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoville
[04:22:00] kormoc: welp, I'll give their food a shot sometime, I plan to be in portland sometime next month I think
[04:23:00] mchou: yeah, go check it out. If you can finish 20 then we can meet :)
[04:23:00] Beirdo: kormoc, you're a freak :)
[04:23:00] mchou: cause then you will be a worth adversary :)
[04:23:00] Beirdo: nothing wrong with being a freak, of course
[04:24:00] mchou: anyway, I've never met a gringo that can really stand hot food :)
[04:24:00] kormoc: hehe, it's a gift from my dad
[04:24:00] mchou: I'm talking real hot*
[04:24:00] Beirdo: whatever, mchou
[04:24:00] kormoc: as a kid, he was like, I'll give you $5 to eat this pepper, holding a habanero :)
[04:25:00] kormoc: and I managed to do that many a time and just got to the point when they wern't that hot :)
[04:25:00] mchou: haha....
[04:25:00] mchou: you dad had you for amusement.
[04:25:00] kormoc: he had all 4 of us kids :)
[04:25:00] mchou: see how many pitchers of water you chugged.....
[04:26:00] kormoc: nah
[04:26:00] kormoc: if it's hot enough to warrent liquid, it's a alcoholic drink :)
[04:26:00] mchou: bah.
[04:26:00] mchou: I challenge to to spicy food with coke to wash down :)
[04:26:00] kormoc: water doesn't do shit, so why bother?
[04:27:00] mchou: hehe.
[04:27:00] mchou: carbonation is beeter than vinegar :)
[04:27:00] mchou: better*
[04:27:00] mchou: prolong the "heat"
[04:28:00] kormoc: xris, 350,000 – 580,000 Red Savina habanero, so they can get that hot, it's just a special type of pepper
[04:28:00] kormoc: sure
[04:29:00] mchou: kormoc: so say on a typical day, and you're snacking on haberneros. How many do you eat (in what amount of time)
[04:30:00] mchou: cause the heat does crescendo the more you eat :)
[04:30:00] kormoc: when I usually snack on them, I grab bout 4 or 5, throw them in a pan with some butter, brown them up and much them down.
[04:30:00] mchou: bah, 4–5. What a wuss.
[04:30:00] kormoc: it's a snack, not a meal...
[04:31:00] mchou: if you aint sweating, it aint hot :)
[04:31:00] ** kormoc laughs. **
[04:31:00] kormoc: so what, I just get bum peppers or somethin? :P
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[04:33:00] xris: kormoc, can you do me a favor and run this: SELECT * FROM videosource;
[04:33:00] xris: actually, just "SELECT lineupid FROM videosource;"
[04:33:00] ** kormoc nods **
[04:34:00] xris: actually, anyone else, too, if you want.
[04:34:00] kormoc: WA63873:-
[04:35:00] xris: interesting....
[04:35:00] xris: trying to auto-detect broadcast lineup id's
[04:35:00] kormoc: yeah?
[04:36:00] xris: for automatic attaching of datadirect info to scanned hdtv broadcast channels
[04:36:00] kormoc: ahh, coolness
[04:36:00] xris: which I guess doesn't work so well since people will probably want to use this script for cable, too. blech.
[04:36:00] xris: ok, next.. anyone here with digital cable?
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[04:42:00] xris: no one? what about directv?
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[04:45:00] GeckoFiend: xris I have directtv
[04:46:00] xris: I need "SELECT lineupid FROM videosource;"
[04:46:00] xris: (working on a script to auto link datadirect stuff with air2pc scan data)
[04:46:00] Beirdo: go, xris :)
[04:47:00] GeckoFiend: | DITV542:- |
[04:47:00] GeckoFiend: | PC:43040 |
[04:47:00] GeckoFiend: | PC:43026 |
[04:47:00] xris: so you have two OTA listings, and one DTV?
[04:47:00] sunilonln: is there a way to tell myth what channel to tune to before entering live mode?
[04:47:00] GeckoFiend: yeah mainly because I've not redone my chanels for LxM.
[04:48:00] sunilonln: frontend is freezing for me when i try to change channels
[04:48:00] GeckoFiend: I should just have one ota and the one directv
[04:48:00] xris: GeckoFiend: is LxM going to have different source id's?
[04:48:00] GeckoFiend: nope
[04:49:00] xris: ok. well, I'll deal with it when I come to it (if need be)
[04:49:00] GeckoFiend: 4 | test | technovera | jdonavan | default | PC:43026
[04:49:00] xris: ok, cool
[04:49:00] xris: just want to build a query that ignores stuff like Dish.
[04:50:00] GeckoFiend: DITV542:- is my DirecTV feed
[04:50:00] xris: guess I can't ignore digital cable listings since that's what I actually need to pull in for comparison
[04:50:00] xris: yeah, figured that.
[04:50:00] xris: mine says DISH819
[04:50:00] xris: so I can at least ignore ^(DISH|DITV)
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[05:02:00] xris: interesting. zap2it is missing a channel
[05:08:00] xris: blech. stupid naming differences between the channels themselves and dd.
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[05:27:00] LedHed: anyone here use DVD::Rip?
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[05:31:00] laga: i used to, but i only have 4 dvds..
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[05:52:00] xris: hmm, so my local stations have "sd" channels but they don't actually broadcast SD data.. instead of prime time shows, you get the show in HD, and a weather cam on the SD channel. lol.
[06:11:00] MiX-MaN: sigh... anyone know where i can find a howto guide for slackware/mythtv
[06:23:00] Beirdo: yeah
[06:23:00] Beirdo: whereever you put it after you write it
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[06:26:00] slePP: anyone use a universal remote w/ a hauppauge receiver?
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[06:27:00] MiX-MaN: guess thats what im gonna have to do
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[06:39:00] xris: Beirdo: nuvexport definitely has issues with TS files.
[06:41:00] JonXP: SO I'm in the process of installing MythTV, does it have any way to tune in to UDP broadcast streams (ie. VLC)?
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[06:41:00] JonXP: Just curious if I'll be able to use that function
[06:45:00] xris: JonXP: you mean basic OTA broadcasts? that's up to the tuner card.
[06:46:00] JonXP: NO...
[06:46:00] JonXP: Err..
[06:46:00] JonXP: No...
[06:46:00] JonXP: I mean, video streamed over your LAN.
[06:47:00] JonXP: For example, you can send a UDP stream over a multicast IP with VLC and advertise it using SAP, then any other aware client on your network can watch it
[06:47:00] xris: oh, sorry, was thinking UHF, lol.
[06:47:00] JonXP: Hahah
[06:47:00] xris: I think there might be a stream client, but I'm honestly not sure.
[06:48:00] xris: (been playing too much with OTA hdtv lately, I guess)
[06:48:00] JonXP: Help! My tuner only gets channels 1–13! Fix my MythTV!
[06:48:00] JonXP: ;-)
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[06:49:00] visit0r: xris: ok :I
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[06:50:00] xris: JonXP: anyway, I don't know. I've been asking for one to grab the BBC multicasts for a few weeks, though. would be slick to be able to watch/record them.
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[06:52:00] JonXP: Well, this would be a slightly different mechanism.
[06:52:00] JonXP: It would be strictly for streaming video on your LAN
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[06:55:00] xris: oh, for streaming TO. um, no.. I've heard talk of that (to let multiple frontends watch the same stream from the backend), but I don't think that went anywhere.
[06:55:00] JonXP: Hrmmm
[06:56:00] JonXP: It's a rather implemented thing.
[06:56:00] JonXP: Like, most (open source) media players support it, I think.
[06:56:00] xris: sending out a multicast signal?
[06:56:00] JonXP: Heck WinAMP even has a plugin for it.
[06:56:00] JonXP: Receiving a multicast signal
[06:57:00] JonXP: But It's hard, and I can see why it would't be in there.
[06:57:00] kormoc: well you could add support for it
[06:57:00] JonXP: Definitely should be on the todo list, I would think.
[06:57:00] ** kormoc nudges JonXP **
[06:57:00] JonXP: I know I know.
[06:57:00] xris: JonXP: it'd be pretty easy to just add a call to the theme to add a new button.
[06:57:00] JonXP: But I have to pay the bills, work on my own projects, THEN work on hobbies.
[06:57:00] kormoc: heh :)
[06:58:00] xris: JonXP: I know the feeling.
[06:58:00] xris: and myth stuff *is* "my own projects"
[06:58:00] JonXP: And I don't know jack about video programming. I could make it find and receive the stream...but from there, I'd be dead in the water
[06:59:00] JonXP: Well, I'm just installing it right now to play with the non PVR bits of it.
[06:59:00] JonXP: Considering I don't have a tuner, but I see great promise in making it a TV info center/computer.
[07:01:00] xris: I've been using myth for something like a year and a half (or maybe 2) now.
[07:01:00] xris: only now that I have a pvr-150 do I think it's finally usable as a decent tv system
[07:02:00] xris: mythweb and nuvexport (my projects) still need a lot of work, too.
[07:02:00] JonXP: Well, if it looks like I really like this thing, I'll dust off my C++ skills and see if I can make anything useful
[07:03:00] adante: thanks for mythweb, made my life a lot easier
[07:03:00] NightMonkey: JonXP: Regarding your stream-to-LAN needs, have you checked out MythStreamTV?
[07:03:00] xris: adante: mine, too.  :)
[07:03:00] xris: NightMonkey: do you have the link for that? I need to add it to my list of things to do on mythweb.
[07:03:00] JonXP: NightMonkey: nope, haen't even fnished installing yet, but I'm figuring out the options I want. Got a link?
[07:03:00] xris: lost the link, thoughh
[07:04:00] NightMonkey: http://mythstreamtv.sourceforge.net/
[07:04:00] xris: actually, I can probably just google it. heh
[07:05:00] JonXP: See, I want it to work backwards.
[07:05:00] NightMonkey: JonXP: It's a "plugin" for MythWeb. Works with 0.18. Not really a plugin, but acts like one. Changes the code to MythWEB to add a VLC stream creator component.
[07:05:00] JonXP: Basically, I want to stream my videos and have Myth pick them up.
[07:05:00] NightMonkey: JonXP: Oh. That's different, I think.
[07:05:00] JonXP: Yeah
[07:05:00] NightMonkey: JonXP: Nothing to see here, move along ;).
[07:05:00] xris: anyone here know if mysql 3 can do a multi-table update?
[07:06:00] xris: nevermind, can't. blech.