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Friday, April 29th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] outpour: how can i get mythtv to treat a DVD ripped into several vobs, bups and ifos as one movie?
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[00:19:00] Bogus8: question, is there anything wrong/tricky about installing mythtv with a different video(output) card than what I will be using in 5 days? (waiting on my card with tv-out to come in)
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[00:37:00] jemarcks: hey xris
[00:38:00] xris: hey
[00:38:00] xris: it's so quiet in here.
[00:38:00] jemarcks: I KNOW
[00:39:00] jemarcks: im reading up on audio. i think my problem is wiht how the mixer is setup
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[00:39:00] jemarcks: no audio yet with my 150 using svideo in
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[00:40:00] jemarcks: lots of things to check, mute/unmute, volumes to set. whew.
[00:40:00] jemarcks: im about ready to punt and load knoppmyth R5A15
[00:40:00] xris: jemarcks: did you ever test the recording on another machine?
[00:41:00] Bogus8: jemarcks: what dist. are you using?
[00:41:00] xris: the audio input on the pvr-150 has *nothing* to do with alsa.
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[00:41:00] jemarcks: no. my other box has no speakers.
[00:41:00] jemarcks: bogus8 FC3
[00:41:00] Bogus8: same here
[00:41:00] Bogus8: i'll be using a 150 also
[00:42:00] jemarcks: xris has one and his works!
[00:42:00] Bogus8: just got fc3 installed and updated... but I don't have the FX5200 card in yet with tv outs
[00:42:00] xris: jemarcks: so you're installing and testing mythtv on your only machine with a soundcard?
[00:42:00] Bogus8: so I'm not sure how far I should go... is there any reason for concern? Changing the output later that is?
[00:43:00] xris: Bogus8: not really that hard. usually just a couple of tweaks to the X config.
[00:43:00] jemarcks: xris, i have a old duron box that serves as my home base... it has sound. i guess i could hook up the line out to the tv
[00:43:00] Bogus8: i'd have to do that on a fresh install anyhow
[00:43:00] jemarcks: bogus8, i got a fx5700LE thats really nice
[00:44:00] jemarcks: well, at least my remote works. lol
[00:44:00] Bogus8: picked up the chaintech 5200 for $44 bucks
[00:44:00] xris: jemarcks: what does this have to do with tv? Just any box — windows box, whatever, that you can hook speakers/headphones up to in order to see if that .mpg file has sound.
[00:44:00] Bogus8: 128mb
[00:45:00] jemarcks: xris, your right. ill check it out after supper... i need to run for a few and cut up veggies.
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[00:58:00] Bogus8: what is the default mixer installed with FC3?
[00:58:00] Bogus8: I'm having audio issues also... tested fine on install though
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[01:07:00] xris: Bogus8: alsa.
[01:07:00] xris: though most things still use OSS emulation.
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[01:08:00] Bogus8: xris hmm I wonder why it tested ok but now aplay nor xmms will work :(
[01:08:00] Bogus8: using WindowMaker has nothing to do with it right/
[01:08:00] kormoc: it wouldn't, nope
[01:09:00] Bogus8: lsmod shows all my audio stuff loaded as does lspci
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[01:13:00] kormoc: check dmesg for errors/issues?
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[01:20:00] j3_: ok, anybody seem to recall that slave backends actually reconnected to the master backend if that machine were restarted prior to 0.18?
[01:21:00] j3_: My mbe restarted yesterday, while all the slaves didn't, and none of the slaves reconnected, so I only got recordings on the inputs in my mbe...
[01:21:00] j3_: which ticked off my wife, because Lost didn't get recorded
[01:21:00] j3_: am I just talking to myself?
[01:22:00] j3_: ah well...
[01:22:00] Cromz: not really talking to yourself. but I dunno the answer to your question.. I started with .17 and one box.. and I still have 1 box :O
[01:23:00] j3_: :)
[01:24:00] j3_: I have a master backend and three slaves
[01:24:00] Cromz: I'm poor.. spent all my cash on this system lol
[01:25:00] mchou: j3_: SBE never automatically reconnected to MBE, afaik
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[01:26:00] mchou: always had to manually restart SBE if MBE went down. :(
[01:26:00] j3_: I coulda sworn they used to reconnect, but prolly not...
[01:26:00] mchou: j3_: nope, never for me
[01:28:00] mchou: j3_: I found the cause of my ENC IRQ OVERFLOWS.....
[01:28:00] j3_: oh yeah?
[01:28:00] mchou: ivtv behaves very badly in settings other than 720x480
[01:29:00] Bogus8: I'm trying to apt-get mythtv-suite on FC3 and I'm getting an error
[01:29:00] Bogus8: file /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/vldXvMC.h from install of libXvMCW-0.9.3–1.rhfc3.at conflicts with file from package xorg-x11-devel-6.8.2–1.FC3.13_2.rhfc3.at
[01:29:00] CygnusX1: mchou, I am doing 480x480
[01:29:00] mchou: in that setting, no more overflows.....
[01:29:00] mchou: CygnusX1: lol, beats me then :)
[01:29:00] mchou: CygnusX1: which version ivtv driver you got?
[01:30:00] mchou: Bogus8: that looks like a bogus msg :)
[01:30:00] Bogus8: so what is the resolution?
[01:30:00] j3_: yes and no
[01:30:00] j3_: just rpm -e xorg-x11-devel
[01:31:00] j3_: Axel's working on a fix
[01:31:00] Bogus8: ok
[01:31:00] mchou: Bogus8: why do binary libs need *.h files?
[01:31:00] Bogus8: don't know
[01:31:00] Bogus8: I'm not a linux guru
[01:34:00] j3_: mchou: Isaac says slave backends did reconnect at some point in time...
[01:35:00] Bogus8: cool, I got it
[01:35:00] mchou: j3_: heh, maybe long long ago. But that hasn't happened for quite some time :)
[01:36:00] j3_: Isaac also says its been a long time since he's actually run a slave backend. :)
[01:36:00] hadees: so i asked this the other day but i would like some more opions what kind of a system I should get for my backend, it will have 1x Pvr250, 2x m179, and as soon as I get the new Air2PC card i'll have 2x of those, and about 600 Gigs
[01:36:00] CygnusX1: 0.0.3k
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[01:36:00] CygnusX1: ter, 0.3.3k
[01:37:00] mchou: hadees: get the cheapest box you can. I have a similar setup and I'm using P2 450Mhz :)
[01:37:00] mchou: nice and quiet.
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[01:38:00] hadees: mchou, really? that many cards?
[01:38:00] mchou: if you dont acually watch anything on it you can get away w/pretty low requirements.
[01:38:00] Bogus8: what's the latest on the PVR150
[01:38:00] hadees: mchou, yeah but the pci through put
[01:39:00] mchou: PCI is PCI. It aint gonna get faster unles you go pci-e or whatnot.
[01:39:00] Bogus8: go to ATrpms testing repository and install the 0.3.x ivtv driver
[01:39:00] Bogus8: ?
[01:39:00] hadees: mchou, thats kind of true but certain motherboards and hardware handle it better
[01:40:00] mchou: hadees: I only have 1 a2pc card in there, everything else is similar.
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[01:40:00] hadees: mchou, how much resources does the a2pc use on a backend?
[01:40:00] jams: almost none
[01:40:00] hadees: cool, hmm mabey i can go really low
[01:40:00] mchou: lol, intel BX chipset is one of the best out there :)
[01:40:00] hadees: mchou, bx?
[01:41:00] mchou: (what I'm using on my P2)
[01:41:00] hadees: anyone know any good deals out there?
[01:42:00] mchou: hadees: surplus store next to me selling nice compaq P3 900Mhz complete sys for $150 :)
[01:42:00] mchou: they got a whole palette of them.
[01:42:00] mchou: nice ones, even comes with W2K :)
[01:43:00] hadees: well unless you live in austin texas don't help me none
[01:43:00] mchou: hadees: One additional thing I put in there is a ide card.
[01:43:00] mchou: for all those drives :)
[01:49:00] Bogus8: jemarcks: hey man you around?
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[02:01:00] mchou: CygnusX1: hey, what ver of myth you using?
[02:02:00] defaultro: hey mchou
[02:02:00] mchou: hey
[02:04:00] defaultro: the air2pc in ebay looks different though
[02:04:00] defaultro: so how's you comcast cable?
[02:04:00] j3_: specifically, you want the air2pc-atsc-pci
[02:05:00] j3_: there are different air2pc cards out there
[02:05:00] defaultro: oh ok
[02:05:00] defaultro: i have one and it has the nxt2002 chip
[02:05:00] defaultro: but thanks for mchou, bbti lied to us
[02:05:00] defaultro: so im in a tough decision if im going to cancel my preorder
[02:06:00] mchou: what, you calling me responsible for bbti's lies?
[02:06:00] defaultro: no
[02:06:00] defaultro: lol
[02:06:00] defaultro: i wasn't quoting you, it was my words
[02:07:00] defaultro: but i was very thankful, you showed the link to us
[02:07:00] defaultro: my sentence was a shortcut :)
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[02:07:00] mchou: I got a good laught out if it the bbti thing.
[02:07:00] j3_: got my air2pc a few weeks before it was figured out it didn't fully support QAM freqs
[02:07:00] fryfrog: is anyone good at math?
[02:07:00] j3_: spent a while trying to figure out why the hell it wasn't working
[02:07:00] defaultro: oh ok
[02:08:00] j3_: then saw the ann
[02:08:00] defaultro: so it's because of the nxt2002 chip right?
[02:08:00] fryfrog: what size would a 30" 16:9 tv fit into on 4:3 ratio?
[02:08:00] j3_: I don't recall which portion is at fault
[02:08:00] defaultro: ok
[02:08:00] mchou: defaultro: hd3k also uses nxt2002 chip :)
[02:08:00] j3_: there are two pieces involved, one is fine with QAM, one only sort of works
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[02:09:00] j3_: ?
[02:09:00] j3_: I don't recall seeing anything in my logs about an nxt2002...
[02:09:00] j3_: (for an HD3k
[02:09:00] j3_: )
[02:09:00] defaultro: ok
[02:09:00] mchou: j3_: hmm, look inside the tuner :)
[02:09:00] Groo: does anyone know if it's possible to have my tunerless slave backend transcode files instead of my master backend?
[02:09:00] defaultro: that's the firmware i'm loading
[02:10:00] j3_: nah, s'okay, its busy. :)
[02:10:00] defaultro: and that's what I recall when I was compiling my kernel too
[02:10:00] defaultro: but am very happy with the hd
[02:10:00] j3_: the hd3k uses the or51132 firmware...
[02:10:00] defaultro: so I can't tell about QAM
[02:10:00] defaultro: I'm hoping that the newer air2pc will have better QAM support as what they're claiming
[02:11:00] j3_: it should
[02:11:00] defaultro: ok
[02:11:00] j3_: I plan to get one
[02:11:00] defaultro: i preordered 2 weeks ago
[02:11:00] mchou: shit, I just hope it works in linux :)
[02:11:00] j3_: :D
[02:11:00] defaultro: lol
[02:11:00] defaultro: dopester told us that it should work
[02:11:00] mchou: bah, dopester told us it works in QAM too.
[02:12:00] mchou: look where that got us :)
[02:12:00] defaultro: i just don't know when that day comes
[02:12:00] defaultro: July1
[02:12:00] defaultro: i hope that that bit will not win, lol
[02:13:00] j3_: time to hit the road...
[02:13:00] defaultro: cool
[02:13:00] defaultro: mchou, is House a repeat next week?
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[02:13:00] mchou: havent checked.
[02:13:00] defaultro: ok
[02:13:00] defaultro: wife is calling
[02:13:00] mchou: probably not.
[02:13:00] defaultro: wait
[02:14:00] mchou: that chick better be there :)
[02:14:00] mchou: Dr. Cameron :)
[02:16:00] mchou: next wk doesn't seem to be a repeat.
[02:20:00] Groo: does anyone know if it's possible to have my tunerless slave backend transcode files instead of my master backend?
[02:20:00] dopester: :)
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[02:33:00] fryfrog: would you rather have a 30" widescreen tv or a 36" 4:3 tv?
[02:34:00] fryfrog: its hard to imagine, but a 30" widescreen tv would fit inside a 32" 4:3 tv (black bars)
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[02:36:00] Cromz: fryfrog: why not just a projector? :>
[02:37:00] fryfrog: to much work :)
[02:37:00] Cromz: lol
[02:37:00] illc0mm: does anyone here use an ATI REMOTEWONDER II ?
[02:37:00] fryfrog: plus i really only need ~30"
[02:38:00] fryfrog: i'd do it if my living room was bigger :)
[02:38:00] Cromz: yeah well I live in a double wide trailer. and I'm still thinking about a projector LOL
[02:38:00] fryfrog: haha
[02:38:00] fryfrog: watch out for tornados :)
[02:39:00] Cromz: not here in minnesota. but where I'm orginally from I would have too.. like cyberknet.. I'm a okie. born and raised in okc.
[02:42:00] Captain_Murdoch: Groo: yes, but you could also just run mythjobqueue instead of a full mythbackend. if you want to transcode, you need to make sure that you setup the recordings directory from the master to be mounted on the "slave" in the same place
[02:44:00] illc0mm: hey, i have an issue
[02:44:00] illc0mm: when I'm wating tv on myth, I get no audio
[02:44:00] illc0mm: If I start recording a channel, I get audio
[02:45:00] illc0mm: am I missing something? I searched the archives but the articles I found described the opposite
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[02:47:00] illc0mm: I'm like the a-bomb
[02:47:00] illc0mm: everyone's having a good time, I come in and bam everyone is dead
[02:47:00] illc0mm: lol
[02:48:00] Cromz: boom!
[02:48:00] Cromz: I have no idea of your issue. .cause I am still a newb to myth
[02:48:00] Cromz: learning alot but not enough
[02:49:00] outpour: hm anyone here use a remote wonder?
[02:50:00] illc0mm: haha
[02:50:00] illc0mm: yeah
[02:50:00] illc0mm: im using remote wonder
[02:50:00] illc0mm: do you get anything at all out of it?
[02:50:00] outpour: yeah
[02:50:00] illc0mm: ugh, further than I
[02:50:00] outpour: generally works fine for me
[02:50:00] illc0mm: all the modules load, nothing works at all
[02:50:00] illc0mm: irw, shows nothing when I press keys
[02:50:00] outpour: but yesterday all of a sudden the number pad stopped working
[02:50:00] illc0mm: ugh, wishing i didnt buy it
[02:51:00] outpour: illc0mm, hmm i'm using knoppmyth and that is all automatic
[02:51:00] illc0mm: yeah, wishing I did that now
[02:51:00] outpour: i didn't have any problems getting it functionng
[02:51:00] illc0mm: how is that with ATI cards?
[02:51:00] outpour: just had to do some major configging
[02:51:00] outpour: what do you mean?
[02:51:00] illc0mm: does it support ATI okay? ATI is stupid you know
[02:51:00] outpour: knopp myth?
[02:51:00] illc0mm: yeah
[02:51:00] illc0mm: sorry
[02:51:00] outpour: nothing supports ATI well heh
[02:51:00] outpour: supports the remote just fine
[02:51:00] illc0mm: i know, got it working good in FC3
[02:52:00] illc0mm: well, i orderd the damn thing thinking... cool it's an RF remote
[02:52:00] outpour: but i can't get the gfx acceleration to work
[02:52:00] illc0mm: ah, got all that working in FC3
[02:52:00] outpour: even the tv tuner?
[02:52:00] illc0mm: nah, not using an AIW
[02:52:00] illc0mm: just a 9500PRo
[02:52:00] outpour: ah
[02:52:00] illc0mm: got it for HDTV
[02:52:00] illc0mm: but that sucks, i think my HDTV sucks actually
[02:53:00] outpour: yeah there is no support for AIW on linux
[02:53:00] illc0mm: cause of the RAGE Theater chip
[02:53:00] outpour: ah
[02:53:00] outpour: hehe
[02:53:00] illc0mm: trying to get the modlines was a nightmare
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[02:53:00] illc0mm: i just eneded up using SVide for now
[02:53:00] illc0mm: *SVideo
[02:54:00] outpour: that's what i am using
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[02:54:00] outpour: no im using composite
[02:54:00] illc0mm: ah, you suck :)
[02:54:00] illc0mm: had HDTV working, but it had some crazy overscan
[02:54:00] illc0mm: wish I had a DVI HDTV
[02:55:00] illc0mm: didnt think about that when I bought it 3 years ago :)
[02:55:00] illc0mm: anyway
[02:55:00] illc0mm: remote is killing me
[02:56:00] illc0mm: modprobe ati_remote works
[02:56:00] illc0mm: and, no audio when watching live tv
[02:56:00] illc0mm: if I hit the record button, it works
[02:57:00] illc0mm: its got to be a config issue somewhere but I can't seem to find it
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[03:01:00] CygnusX1: mchou, Are you still around?
[03:10:00] Groo: Captain_Murdoch: still here?
[03:10:00] Captain_Murdoch: yeah
[03:11:00] Groo: I have all of my recordings stored on my NAS, so the frontend has it mounted
[03:11:00] Groo: my backend has it mounted as well
[03:12:00] Groo: in the same location
[03:12:00] Groo: it should automatically transcode using the slave?
[03:14:00] Captain_Murdoch: well, there is currently no way to force the transcode job to run on the slave. I think there needs to be a new setting to say "Allow Transcoding jobs" like there are all the other "Allow XYZ jobs" settings in mythtv-setup.
[03:15:00] Groo: hmm. I was afraid of that
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[03:17:00] Captain_Murdoch: you could force it by seting the jobqueue window on the master to be something like 06:00 to 06:01 or something so unless a job was waiting in the queue during that 1 minute, it would get picked up and run on the slave.
[03:18:00] Groo: ooh, that's a great idea, I'll do that
[03:18:00] Captain_Murdoch: I'll put a note on my TODO to get the "Allow Transcode jobs" setting added sometime.
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[03:28:00] monkeyBox: Hi all.. How do I disable via XvMC support in MythTV?
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[03:28:00] orenj: I do believe there's a setting in MythFront end setup
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[03:29:00] adante: runtime support is under settings -> tv -> playback -> page 3/4 iirc
[03:29:00] orenj: Setup -> TV Settings
[03:29:00] orenj: cool
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[03:30:00] orenj: Now my question. How long has myth been using XRandR for resolution changes?
[03:30:00] orenj: trying to figure out what's wrong with my delicate setup. 1.4 GHz XvMC High Def box
[03:31:00] orenj: had it going for a couple months, now I'm suffering the prebuffering pauses again
[03:33:00] Groo: i'm noticing that as well, when I play back live tv
[03:33:00] Groo: only started after upgrading to .18
[03:33:00] orenj: HD?
[03:34:00] Groo: nope
[03:35:00] orenj: Kinda wondering if I can just put my .17 back in. I wonder if the database changes (if any) would cause the system to balk
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[03:47:00] jemarcks: hey xris. im back
[03:47:00] xris: me, too
[03:47:00] jemarcks: yeah, im stuffed... big dinner
[03:48:00] jemarcks: kung pow chicken :~
[03:48:00] xris: not my kind of thing.
[03:48:00] xris: (the chicken, not the chinese)
[03:49:00] xris: I should figure out what's for dinner soon.
[03:49:00] jemarcks: ah
[03:49:00] jemarcks: cool
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[03:50:00] jemarcks: sigh, i wish i knew why mythtv was so hard for me to setup. this weekend i will figure it out
[03:50:00] smoke_: hey guys, it says ineed to access /var/video0, but its an invalid device, what should try? im using gentoo, and ihave bttv modules loaded...
[03:51:00] xris: jemarcks: alsa's a bitch
[03:51:00] jemarcks: xris, duh! lol\
[03:51:00] jemarcks: i have found that most people have trouble with audio in setting up myth
[03:52:00] jemarcks: xris, do you think knoppmyth would he a better choice?
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[03:52:00] Cromz: bah
[03:53:00] xris: jemarcks: I've never had any trouble with fedora
[03:53:00] illc0mm: ah
[03:53:00] illc0mm: so I solved my ATI Remote Wonder issue
[03:53:00] illc0mm: anyone want to know what it was
[03:54:00] Cromz: sure what was it? cause I might look at one. heh
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[03:55:00] emes: how can i get 0.18 working with arts?
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[03:57:00] jemarcks: xris, your lucky dude. lol
[03:57:00] xris: jemarcks: hardly.
[03:57:00] xris: that's why I don't mess with alsa
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[03:58:00] xris: I use gnome-volume-control, and use OSS emulation for myth.
[03:58:00] jemarcks: xris, how can i back out of alsa? jarods guide takes us in that direction.
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[03:58:00] xris: but like I told you earlier, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the line-in on your pvr-150.
[03:59:00] xris: that's handled by ivtv. doesn't even TOUCH alsa until playback.
[03:59:00] jemarcks: xris, i just want it to just work. im not into constant maintance\
[03:59:00] xris: jemarcks: then you shouldn't have purchased a card with an alpha-version driver.
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[04:00:00] jemarcks: xris, my reading of the lists lead me to believe the the 150 was working... many people have it work too.
[04:00:00] xris: yes. works. sometimes.
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[04:18:00] illc0mm: sorry, so the reason for my remote not workign
[04:19:00] illc0mm: I had a comment on the /etc/lircd.conf file that was missing a hash mark (#)
[04:19:00] illc0mm: i must have looked at that thing 1000 times
[04:19:00] illc0mm: and the log files
[04:19:00] illc0mm: lircd was loading, but with out a config
[04:19:00] illc0mm: nice
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[04:47:00] Agrajag-: hmm i haven't noticed this before.. but now when i start mythbackend, i have 18 mythbackend processes
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[04:47:00] Agrajag-: something's whack
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[04:48:00] Agrajag-: seems to be working fine though.. weird
[04:48:00] GeckoFiend: Agrajag- you probably have mutliple threads out there
[04:49:00] Agrajag-: yeah i just haven't noticed that many before
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[04:51:00] smoke_: hey guys, im trying to access /dev/video0, but there is no such device, ... what does bttv link itself to in gentoo?
[04:53:00] emes: try /dev/v4l/video0
[04:54:00] smoke_: naa no worky
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[05:23:00] Polydwarf: is anyone here running mainline cvs?
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[05:32:00] Captain_Murdoch: Polydwarf: not current but a week old version.
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[05:48:00] Polydwarf: I switched to mainline tonight (the whole xvmc rewrite), and it seems that both backend and frontend are taking up gobs more memory. Anyone noticed that?
[05:50:00] Captain_Murdoch: haven't seen reports of that, seen people say it uses more CPU during playback but don't recall anyone mentioning increased memory footprint.
[05:50:00] Polydwarf: backend's using 150m, frontend 114m (At least, according to top's virt column... Not sure I believe it)
[05:50:00] Polydwarf: it seems to be using ~5% more or so cpu. Not enought hat I'm really going to sweat that. :)
[05:51:00] Polydwarf: me and my 256 meg of ram, though.... :)
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[06:10:00] sipher: MythTV looks awsome. Exactly what I've been looking for. :)
[06:10:00] Mrgoose: you will hate it
[06:10:00] Mrgoose: before you love iet
[06:10:00] sipher: damn
[06:10:00] Mrgoose: but
[06:10:00] Mrgoose: once you finally get it up and working
[06:10:00] Mrgoose: its great
[06:10:00] sipher: Mrgoose: It beats TiVo's outragous subscription fees.
[06:10:00] GreyFoxx: Well that will depend on your clue level when you start out :)
[06:10:00] Mrgoose: yep
[06:11:00] Mrgoose: GreyFoxx: very true
[06:11:00] sipher: and I can program it to do whatever the hell I want it to
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[06:11:00] ** GreyFoxx looks at the time and thinks maybe it's bedtime **
[06:12:00] sipher: without hacking the TiVo box*
[06:13:00] sipher: Someone should change the screenshots to jpeg's. o_O They load pretty slow on dialup.
[06:14:00] Polydwarf: and mythtv won't watch to see how many times I rewind to look at janet jackson..
[06:14:00] sipher: heh. exactly
[06:14:00] sipher: or attempt to force popup ads on you
[06:14:00] GreyFoxx: sipher: uhhh png's are usually smaller than jpegs
[06:14:00] GreyFoxx: Polydwarf: heh
[06:15:00] sipher: GreyFoxx: No they aren't.
[06:15:00] sipher: Depends
[06:15:00] GreyFoxx: sipher: In my experience they have been
[06:15:00] sipher: If it's vector stuff maybe..
[06:15:00] Polydwarf: Would anyone know, off the top of their heads, why myth sucks about 2 meg every second when watching a recording, up to physical ram max (Mainline cvs)?
[06:15:00] GreyFoxx: and I believe pngs ar eon the site as they were smaller than the jpeg versions of those screenshots
[06:16:00] Polydwarf: everything myth generates internally are png's too. Maybe someone was worried about the Forgent (?) jpeg patents?
[06:18:00] sipher: I just converted this one to a jpeg – http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/mpf3.png .. the png == 215.38KB's.. the jpeg 93.44KB's
[06:18:00] sipher: Less than half the size
[06:20:00] sipher: I'll convert them all and upload em if someone wants to swap em out.
[06:21:00] GreyFoxx: sipher:Part of that size different is due to the quality settings when converting to jpeg. for instance using 70% I get the following : root@woop:/data/space/Tmp# mogrify -format jpeg -quality 70 mpf3.png
[06:21:00] GreyFoxx: root@woop:/data/space/Tmp# ls -la mp*
[06:21:00] GreyFoxx: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 61970 2005-04–29 02:20 mpf3.jpeg
[06:21:00] GreyFoxx: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 220551 2003-04–16 00:11 mpf3.png
[06:21:00] GreyFoxx: But using 100 gets the following :
[06:21:00] GreyFoxx: root@woop:/data/space/Tmp# mogrify -format jpeg -quality 100 mpf3.png
[06:21:00] GreyFoxx: root@woop:/data/space/Tmp# ls -la mp*
[06:21:00] GreyFoxx: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 351901 2005-04–29 02:20 mpf3.jpeg
[06:21:00] GreyFoxx: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 220551 2003-04–16 00:11 mpf3.png
[06:21:00] GreyFoxx: But I'm sure image quality in this case is not as important as bw savings
[06:22:00] GreyFoxx: So someone might well use your jpeg versions happily :)
[06:22:00] sipher: I exported in Fireworks and couldn't tell the difference between the 2
[06:22:00] GreyFoxx: For general viewing on monitors and such to the naked eye most people can't tell
[06:23:00] GreyFoxx: It certainly can't hurt to use the smaller images.
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[06:26:00] GreyFoxx: yay, bedtime
[06:26:00] GreyFoxx: later
[06:26:00] Polydwarf: g'night
[06:27:00] sipher: The weather module use the NWS SOAP interface at all?
[06:30:00] GreyFoxx: I think it's just screen scrapping from theweathernetwork.com at the moment
[06:31:00] GreyFoxx: nws = national(aka american) weather service ?
[06:31:00] sipher: yeah.
[06:32:00] sipher: Might be worth looking into for US lookups since it doesn't rely on a commercial site.
[06:32:00] Polydwarf: Depends on if Accuweather gets their way... I think they're lobbying to remove any public access to NWS data
[06:32:00] GreyFoxx: I've looked in the paste at doing something similar here. I know that Environment Canada has an xml feed that we might be able to tap into as well
[06:33:00] sipher: Polydwarf: They failed though afaik.
[06:33:00] Polydwarf: I thought they were still trying
[06:33:00] sipher: The service is out of beta now
[06:33:00] sipher: http://weather.gov/xml/
[06:34:00] sipher: brb.. soda
[06:34:00] opello: finally, it was really crappy when they were working on it a few months ago, at least for my state
[06:36:00] Polydwarf: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/new . . . wx_0421.html
[06:37:00] opello: what hogwash
[06:37:00] opello: geez
[06:37:00] Polydwarf: agreed
[06:37:00] opello: taxes pay for the information, it should stay there
[06:38:00] opello: and it doesn't really compete with 'accuweather' or 'twc' because the nws doesn't really offer a happy fun client that has annoying alerts and tooltips
[06:38:00] Polydwarf: But, that's the enhanced user experience!!!!
[06:38:00] Polydwarf: :)
[06:38:00] opello: the enhanced user experience is the less tcl screen scaping i have to write :)
[06:39:00] Polydwarf: How could anyone use somehtintg without annoying popups, alerts, tooltips, and spyware? .... flipping through myth recordings ....
[06:39:00] opello: lol
[06:39:00] opello: it's like ... commercials
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[08:59:00] Bob-Laptop: I am trying to setup a master backend on Fedora Core 3 using packages from ATrpms
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[11:36:00] Marts: hey guys, having a weird problem – I have a little serial thing to change the channels on my digibox. It all works fine for recording, changes channel correctly. I can watch live TV, but if I try to change the channel in Live TV mode, the screen goes black for a few seconds and then when it starts again, I am back on the same channel. Looking in the logs from mythbackend, i can see that it is calling my script to change to the correct channel,
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[12:05:00] lucas333: did you add debug output to your script?
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[12:17:00] Marts: hiya, sorry, was playing with it – making some progress, I've changed my setup to call the channel change prog directly and now it seems to be working
[12:17:00] Marts: i guess that myth was testing the return code
[12:17:00] Marts: and the script wasn't returning the same as the prog?
[12:18:00] Marts: (even tho the script just called the app)
[12:18:00] stoffel: then your script should catch the exit code of the prog and hand it to mythtv
[12:19:00] Marts: ah, any idea how I do that in a bash script?
[12:19:00] Marts: np if not, I'm sure I can work it out (famous last words) ;-)
[12:19:00] stoffel: rc=$?
[12:21:00] Marts: gonna have a play, back in a tick
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[12:27:00] Marts: right think I've worked out what is going on
[12:27:00] Marts: the app (and therefore the original script) were returning 9
[12:28:00] Marts: the hacked up app I then tried was returning 0
[12:28:00] Marts: i've now changed the script to have "exit 0"
[12:28:00] Marts: at the bottom
[12:28:00] Marts: which seems to work
[12:28:00] Marts: I'll now stick that in my myth setup and see what happens
[12:36:00] Marts: yeah that seems to work much better now
[12:37:00] Marts: it did worryingly get out of step a little just then, but I'm hoping thats cause I've been mucking about with it
[12:37:00] Marts: its been fine for recorded progs up to now, so hopefully it'll be cool
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[13:35:00] Super_Cat_Frog: hi – can anybody tell me if cvs compiles at the moment?
[13:36:00] stoffel: yes
[13:36:00] GreyFoxx: did as of 6pm ADT last night
[13:37:00] stoffel: and did ~1.5 hours ago
[13:37:00] Mrgoose: anyone want to buy a modded xbox?
[13:38:00] Mrgoose: with mythtv on it?
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[13:41:00] GreyFoxx: Alas while I wouldn't mind one to play with, I've got far too many toys in the queue to buy before that :)
[13:50:00] Mrgoose: such as
[14:02:00] GreyFoxx: right now number 1 n the list is a projector. Once I finally finish my media room that is my first new toy :)
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[14:12:00] Super_Cat_Frog: argh! when i do ./configure --help, it doesn't show me any options othere than extra-cssflags
[14:12:00] Super_Cat_Frog: *cxxflags
[14:26:00] Super_Cat_Frog: any idea's anybody?
[14:31:00] Super_Cat_Frog: or does anybody know where i can get .18 debs with dvb support?
[14:32:00] GreyFoxx: Can't say I've every seen anyone mention rpepackaged stuff with dvb support enabled
[14:33:00] Agrajag-: Super_Cat_Frog: is your configure problem with .18 or cvs?
[14:33:00] Agrajag-: if you really want i could make some debs for .18. but not right now i need to go to bed
[14:37:00] Super_Cat_Frog: agrajag – cvs
[14:37:00] Super_Cat_Frog: i figured if im going to build from source i might as well use cvs
[14:38:00] Super_Cat_Frog: doesn't matter about the debs
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[14:40:00] Super_Cat_Frog: mrgoose – are you still there?
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[15:31:00] D-side: morning fellas.
[15:35:00] Beirdo: it certainly is morning
[15:35:00] laga: good afternoon ;)
[15:35:00] Beirdo: laga's living in the future :)
[15:35:00] laga: yep
[15:36:00] laga: and it's not a good one, i might add
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[15:40:00] Bob-Laptop: When I attempt to run mythtv-setup it quits after two questions, have I missed something?
[15:40:00] Bob-Laptop: I am trying to setup a master backend on Fedora Core 3 using packages from ATrpms
[15:40:00] Beirdo: http://forums.flightsim.com/ts/user_files/2487.jpg
[15:40:00] D-side: laga: wha happeend
[15:40:00] Beirdo: muhahaha
[15:41:00] Beirdo: I really need to send that to my redneck friend
[15:41:00] laga: D-side: nothing. it's been a great day, and the weekend will be even better.
[15:41:00] D-side: laga: well aren't you just an f'ing ray of sunshine. :)
[15:41:00] laga: D-side: hehe.
[15:41:00] D-side: Beirdo: i'm amazed you even have redneck friends. i sure as hell dont. :)
[15:42:00] laga: D-side: the weather is great,too. going to have a bbq tonight, including a nice cigar and some southern comfort.
[15:42:00] D-side: laga: putting 0.18 on the production box.
[15:42:00] Beirdo: hehe
[15:42:00] D-side: ooh. you ARE having a good day.
[15:42:00] Beirdo: of course I do :)
[15:42:00] Beirdo: laga: niiice
[15:42:00] laga: D-side: have fun. i haven't gotten to it yet.
[15:42:00] D-side: i've been too busy with my PSP to bother much with tv lately. :)
[15:42:00] laga: D-side: especially because i'm *legally* allowed to drink hard stuff since today ;)
[15:43:00] Beirdo: laga: you need to get totally hammered then
[15:43:00] Beirdo: it's your birthday?
[15:43:00] laga: i will.
[15:43:00] laga: yep
[15:43:00] Beirdo: happy birthday, dude
[15:43:00] laga: i could kick my ass that i don't have my drivers licence already, though. well, more drinking for me till i get it
[15:43:00] laga: thank you!
[15:44:00] Beirdo: gives you valuable drinking time :)
[15:44:00] laga: yep ;)
[15:45:00] D-side: laga: ah, happy b-day
[15:45:00] laga: brb, gotta get rid of my relatives before the fun starts..
[15:45:00] laga: D-side: thanks
[15:46:00] D-side: laga: 18?
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[15:51:00] laga: D-side: yep.
[15:52:00] laga: oh my god. my sister found the album with pics from my childhood.
[15:52:00] ** laga hides behind the computer **
[15:52:00] Beirdo: hahaha
[15:52:00] Beirdo: most importantly.... is she cute?
[15:52:00] D-side: now all the women in your family will be doing the "awww" thing.
[15:53:00] laga: D-side: well, my family is quite small. (i just dont talk to my other relatives, they're stupid)
[15:53:00] D-side: right on
[15:53:00] laga: Beirdo: she has a boyfriend and they're living together... ;)
[15:53:00] D-side: i'm lucky that my family members are all cool.
[15:54:00] D-side: laga: thats not what he asked.
[15:54:00] Beirdo: heh
[15:54:00] laga: Beirdo: shuddup, BTW ;)
[15:54:00] Beirdo: answer the question, birthday boy :)
[15:54:00] D-side: see? :)
[15:54:00] laga: D-side: well, some of my family members are french, jehovas witnessers, or just plain stupid.
[15:54:00] laga: Beirdo: probably.
[15:54:00] laga: Beirdo: well. please read "how to ask smart questions".
[15:54:00] Beirdo: hehe. probably. good answer
[15:54:00] D-side: laga: bahaha i love your reasoning
[15:55:00] D-side: thats great
[15:55:00] laga: well.
[15:55:00] laga: i'm so not going to speak french. or speak to them.
[15:55:00] Beirdo: yes you will.... after the Southern Comfort :)
[15:55:00] D-side: i understand!
[15:56:00] laga: Beirdo: i like english better when i'm drunk ;)
[15:56:00] Beirdo: hehe. Good man
[15:56:00] laga: or drooling. depends.
[15:57:00] laga: and i'm going to order a wrt54g tomorrow. yay.
[15:57:00] Bob-Laptop: should I ask my question again?
[15:58:00] D-side: Bob-Laptop: sure, I haven't seen it for a half hour.
[15:58:00] D-side: no guarantees i can help though.
[15:58:00] Bob-Laptop: I am trying to setup a master backend on Fedora Core 3 using packages from ATrpms
[15:58:00] Bob-Laptop: When I attempt to run mythtv-setup it quits after two questions, have I missed something?
[15:58:00] laga: fsck. my mouse cursor is stuck.
[15:58:00] D-side: ooh. i have no idea.
[15:58:00] D-side: no errors?
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[15:58:00] Bob-Laptop: D-side: none that I find
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[15:59:00] D-side: very strange. sorry. :/
[15:59:00] Bob-Laptop: D-side: thanks for the input
[16:00:00] laga: IIRC, some people have seen similiar issues...did you search the ML archive?
[16:00:00] Bob-Laptop: D-side: any responce is better than none at this point
[16:00:00] D-side: Bob-Laptop: wish i could help.
[16:00:00] Bob-Laptop: laga: I did but did not find anything relevent
[16:00:00] laga: well, sorry. i can
[16:00:00] laga: 't help you any further, sorry
[16:00:00] laga: bloody keyboard
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[16:01:00] Bob-Laptop: laga: Happy Birthday BTW
[16:01:00] laga: Bob-Laptop: thank you very much.
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[16:03:00] Bob-Laptop: I may just reinstall on that box to see if it will work on a second try
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[16:04:00] laga: sorry. re.
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[16:29:00] KaZeR: go home time
[16:29:00] laga: don't get eaten by a grue
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[17:31:00] pmowry: HI, this weekend I'm moving my backend with a PVR-350 from cable to DirectTV. Anyone have warnings or suggestions? I do not know the receiver model number yet.
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[17:39:00] GeckoFiend: pmowry get one you can control with a serial cable
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[17:52:00] xris: pmowry: if you can't, irblaster.info
[17:52:00] xris: (can't get one with serial control, that is)
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[17:59:00] |RoCkY|: hello, can anyone point me to some doc where i can find how to manualy scan for channels on tv tuner im using pvr 150
[18:03:00] D-side: pfeh.
[18:03:00] D-side: "if it aint broke, don't fix it."
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[18:13:00] |RoCkY|: i have analogue tv (room antena) how can i scan my programs , pls anyone ?
[18:16:00] beavis: you cannot scan
[18:17:00] |RoCkY|: ok , i know mythtv canot scann
[18:17:00] |RoCkY|: but is there any way to scann the channels and import it some how to mythtv ?
[18:18:00] |RoCkY|: pls any faq howto with such stuff would be aprechiated
[18:18:00] |RoCkY|: im clules :(
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[18:34:00] Mrgoose: anyone want to buy a modded xbox?
[18:34:00] Beirdo: no
[18:34:00] [Klatuu]: I think I am close to fixing my sound problem
[18:34:00] Beirdo: put it on ebay, this ain't a "forsale" venue :)
[18:35:00] Mrgoose: heh
[18:35:00] Mrgoose: this is a anything
[18:35:00] Mrgoose: venue
[18:35:00] [Klatuu]: I need an xbox...but will probably buy a used one and mod it
[18:35:00] [Klatuu]: just to run linux
[18:36:00] Beirdo: this is not a venue for personal monetary gain
[18:37:00] [Klatuu]: it isn't a gain if you don't make more money than you put into it
[18:37:00] Beirdo: you know what I mean
[18:38:00] [Klatuu]: hrmmm
[18:38:00] [Klatuu]: should I go to H2G2 today
[18:38:00] ** [Klatuu] checks the Cinerama site **
[18:39:00] [Klatuu]: w00t
[18:39:00] [Klatuu]: it's playing there
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[18:42:00] Super_Cat_Frog: hi – im getting mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.18.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory after compiling for cvs – any idea's?
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[18:56:00] [Klatuu]: grrr
[18:56:00] [Klatuu]: anyone know how to make a PVR-500/150 do a "raw" capture?
[18:57:00] [Klatuu]: using as little compression as possible
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[19:05:00] D-side: laga: passed out yet?
[19:10:00] Beirdo: woot
[19:10:00] pmowry: |RoCkY| If I understand correctly, you do not want program guide info, just to create the channels so you can use the PVR-150 to tune to the channel and manually schedule recordings?
[19:10:00] Beirdo: just got my laptop backpack for work :)
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[19:14:00] [Klatuu]: what brand of backpack?
[19:15:00] D-side: Beirdo: ah, i've seen those.
[19:15:00] D-side: those are very nice.
[19:15:00] Beirdo: Targus
[19:16:00] [Klatuu]: oh
[19:16:00] [Klatuu]: I have a Spire backpack and love it
[19:16:00] D-side: the bookshelf ones are great too.
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[19:21:00] xris: I had a Spire hard cider once. one of the better pear ciders out there.  :)
[19:22:00] xris: (ok, more than once, too)
[19:22:00] pmowry: :)
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[19:40:00] Super_Cat_Frog: hi – im getting mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.18.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory after compiling for cvs – any idea's?
[19:42:00] stoffel: /usr/local/lib not listed in /etc/ld.so.conf
[19:42:00] pmowry: if it is a new..... beat me to it ;)
[19:42:00] stoffel: Super_Cat_Frog: or you didn't ran ldconfig after make install
[19:43:00] Beirdo: and make install
[19:43:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:43:00] stoffel: terr, make install actually runs ldconfig
[19:44:00] Beirdo: but stoffel hit the two main points :)
[19:44:00] Beirdo: if it still doesn't work after that, you got issues :)
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[19:51:00] Beirdo: kormoc: quittin' early?
[19:51:00] Beirdo: <-- kormoc has quit ("Done with work, yay!")
[19:51:00] kormoc: nah
[19:51:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:51:00] xris: we're having net problem shere.
[19:51:00] Beirdo: I see
[19:51:00] xris: hiccups that kill IM + IRC
[19:51:00] xris: but gaim and xchat don't notice.
[19:51:00] clintar: think there will be a 0.18 bugfix release that allows xvmc to work?
[19:52:00] jemarcks: hey xris
[19:54:00] xris: hello again
[19:54:00] jemarcks: howdy
[19:55:00] jemarcks: just got back from work
[19:55:00] xris: ah
[19:55:00] jemarcks: maybe ill get my audio fixed tonite
[19:56:00] jemarcks: xris, have you any opinion on knoppmyth ra15?
[19:56:00] jemarcks: r5a15 i mean
[19:58:00] xris: no opinions whatsoever about knopmyth
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[19:59:00] Beirdo: NP: Metallica – Ride the Lightning
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[20:01:00] jemarcks: xris, just curios if going with knoppmyth would solve my setup problems. i hear it just works out of the box
[20:01:00] kormoc: only one way to find out
[20:01:00] jemarcks: yeah... jump!
[20:02:00] Beirdo: might as well... jump!
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[20:21:00] Super_Cat_Frog: stoffel – i'l just try that now (putting /usr/local/lib in ld.so.conf and running ldconfig)
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[20:22:00] Super_Cat_Frog: ok it works, thanks
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[20:25:00] Super_Cat_Frog: im getting this when i try to start mythbackend on debian sarge, http://rafb.net/paste/results/JOMGYU54.html
[20:26:00] Beirdo: read the FAQ
[20:26:00] Super_Cat_Frog: ok
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[20:29:00] [Klatuu]: mchou: I had pretty good sound on my pvr-500 earlier
[20:29:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: lol, you still working on it? :)
[20:30:00] [Klatuu]: of course
[20:30:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: still no joy?
[20:31:00] [Klatuu]: I got rid of the crackling
[20:31:00] [Klatuu]: but there was still a sharpness to the sound
[20:31:00] mchou: in ivtv, the dnr filters apples to the DECODER, right?
[20:31:00] cyberknet: mchou: no idea.
[20:32:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: what did you do to improve the sound?
[20:32:00] [Klatuu]: options cx25840 audiofmt=0x04
[20:33:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: mmm, what is that supposed to do?
[20:33:00] [Klatuu]: I saw it on the ivtv mailing list
[20:34:00] [Klatuu]: trying to find the message
[20:35:00] [Klatuu]: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/19934
[20:35:00] [Klatuu]: I think that is it
[20:35:00] [Klatuu]: it changes the audio format
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[20:37:00] darkfire: ok, i'd like to take a rough poll. when building a box for mythTV, and other HTPC-related things (mythgames, MP3,) what would the distro that you would use if you wanted to run multiple tuners, and the frontend/backend on the same box?
[20:37:00] Beirdo: where are wacko and dot? :)
[20:37:00] Beirdo: darkfire: whatever one you are used to
[20:37:00] darkfire: i need to pick one, and i dont really want to go with gentoo, because the box will have a small processor and compiling would suck
[20:37:00] darkfire: and gentoo is what i am good at.
[20:37:00] Beirdo: heh
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[20:37:00] Beirdo: so don't use a box with small processor
[20:38:00] mchou: finally someone talks sense!!
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[20:38:00] Beirdo: or use distcc
[20:38:00] [Klatuu]: yes
[20:38:00] [Klatuu]: distcc
[20:38:00] darkfire: Beirdo, would you like the paypal address for the 'donations for darkfire's unnessicarily big CPU' fund?  :-p
[20:38:00] Beirdo: bah, go buy your own CPUs
[20:38:00] Beirdo: :)
[20:39:00] Beirdo: small processor isn't a good reason not to compile when distcc exists :)
[20:39:00] Beirdo: that being said, I use FC1
[20:39:00] jams: must be going after the intel extreme edition
[20:39:00] darkfire: heh, well i have a couple old boxes lying around, and i'd like to use one of those for a while and then upgrade
[20:40:00] D-side: Beirdo: indeed. when i had an epia board, i was using distcc with a p4 2.66 and a 2.8
[20:40:00] D-side: it really wasnt very bad at all.
[20:40:00] [Klatuu]: a smaller cpu is fine for a frontend box
[20:40:00] Beirdo: see :)
[20:40:00] [Klatuu]: but not for the backend
[20:40:00] D-side: depends on what you're doing with the backend.
[20:40:00] pmowry: D-Side: I like your idea of small processors
[20:40:00] mchou: a smaller CPU is perfectly fine for backend.
[20:40:00] Beirdo: if you have software encoding cards, and you want to use more than one in the box, you need a LOT of CPU
[20:41:00] mchou: I use P2 450Mhz on mine.
[20:41:00] D-side: with an mpeg card, you can use quite a slow backend cpu.
[20:41:00] Beirdo: if you use hardware encoders, it's only important for commercial flagging time
[20:41:00] D-side: Beirdo: which can be done on the frontends anyway, no?
[20:41:00] darkfire: Beirdo, i plan on using PVR-350 as my primary input/output, and adding on another PVR-250 later
[20:41:00] Beirdo: potentially
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[20:41:00] Beirdo: darkfire: then you should be fine
[20:42:00] ** Beirdo turns the volume down now that the Metallica is done. **
[20:42:00] darkfire: ah, could anyone tell me what the capabilities on the TV-out for the PVR-350 are? I don't understand if i can just throw up an X session on there if i wanted, or ?
[20:42:00] GeckoFiend: D-side commflagging is a backend thing
[20:43:00] D-side: GeckoFiend: can it be spread out among multiple backends
[20:43:00] D-side: ?
[20:43:00] Beirdo: you can run the jobqueue tool on the frontend though
[20:43:00] GeckoFiend: D-side yeah
[20:43:00] D-side: i could swear i've seen the option to spread it out
[20:43:00] D-side: ah, thanks.
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[20:43:00] GeckoFiend: D-side I have a backend that's just a commlfagger on my dev box
[20:43:00] D-side: i picked a particularly fast box when i first threw my system together, since it was a bttv card
[20:44:00] ** Beirdo splats splat1 **
[20:44:00] D-side: GeckoFiend: makes sense.
[20:44:00] Beirdo: I make my fileserver do half the flagging :)
[20:45:00] GeckoFiend: darkfire you *can* run an X session on it but it's really only good for playback of mpeg2 content. GREAT std def TV output but you're gonna be locked at std def
[20:45:00] pmowry: darkfire: I use tv-out on a PVR-350. Works great for most mythtv stuff. The frame buffer is not fast enough for a lot of games. Almost wotks for watching dvds. But I have not updated my ivtv drivers in a while.
[20:46:00] GeckoFiend: a good nvidia card is also great tv out quality IMO
[20:46:00] Beirdo: and a good ATI one too :)
[20:46:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:46:00] Beirdo: if you can get it to behave
[20:47:00] D-side: my shitty little sis video on the pundit is great tv out
[20:47:00] D-side: it'm amazed.
[20:47:00] D-side: - t
[20:47:00] cyberknet: I need a new HS/Fan for my nvidia card
[20:47:00] cyberknet: I hae an FX5200 Ultra sitting there doing nothing because it has a busted fan
[20:47:00] cyberknet: but the fan is a non-standard size/shape
[20:47:00] darkfire: GeckoFiend, what is the cheapest nvidia card you would say has a good tv out?
[20:47:00] cyberknet: FX5200
[20:48:00] cyberknet: although I've heard people say the 4mx is also decent.
[20:48:00] D-side: i bet it is.
[20:48:00] [Klatuu]: you can get a heatpipe for your video card
[20:48:00] [Klatuu]: no more fan
[20:48:00] D-side: cheap too, if you can find it
[20:48:00] darkfire: pmowry, do you think the tv-out would work for emulated games, like MAME and whatnot?
[20:48:00] cyberknet: [Klatuu]: that I could.
[20:49:00] cyberknet: [Klatuu]: I'd like to not have to spend money on it at all. heh.
[20:49:00] cyberknet: I keep wondering if it would survive in 2d only without a fan
[20:49:00] [Klatuu]: willing to risk it?
[20:49:00] cyberknet: not really.
[20:49:00] Beirdo: cyberknet: try it and let us know
[20:49:00] [Klatuu]: the 5200 I am using in my myth box only has a heatsink
[20:49:00] [Klatuu]: no fan
[20:50:00] cyberknet: I have a scan converter that is converting an nVidia TNT2 just fine
[20:50:00] cyberknet: this is a 5200 ultra. it's core is clocked higher than a regular 5200
[20:50:00] Beirdo: you overclocking freak :)
[20:50:00] Beirdo: hehe
[20:50:00] cyberknet: I did not overclock it, you dope
[20:51:00] cyberknet: PNY FX5200 Ultra. stock.
[20:51:00] cyberknet: =)
[20:51:00] cyberknet: I have not ever and will never overclock my video card.
[20:51:00] Beirdo: heheh
[20:51:00] cyberknet: Only ever once overclocked my cpu, and you can bet your ass I'll never do *that* again. (and that is a REALLY safe bet, trust me =P)
[20:52:00] Beirdo: I know, you just bought one that was already overclocked :)
[20:52:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:52:00] cyberknet: overclocked a K6–333 to four hundred some mhz... and it burned out some and would only run at 200mhz after that
[20:52:00] cyberknet: otherwise bsod
[20:52:00] cyberknet: yep. check. never do that again.
[20:52:00] Beirdo: woohoo
[20:52:00] cyberknet: lucky it would run at all =)
[20:52:00] Beirdo: I ran a P166MMX as a P233MMX for quite a long time
[20:53:00] Beirdo: like for 4 years
[20:53:00] cyberknet: actually, I do believe that the 5200 core was different from the 5200 ultra.
[20:53:00] darkfire: so, what distros do you guys run mythTV on?
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[20:53:00] Beirdo: darkfire: just pick one.
[20:53:00] cyberknet: The 5500OC was simply a 5200 overclocked... although nvidia did supply that as "stock"
[20:53:00] darkfire: i know it doesnt matter all that much, i'm just curious
[20:53:00] cyberknet: darkfire: I run it on Linux 2005
[20:53:00] Beirdo: FC1 and ubuntu hoary
[20:53:00] cyberknet: Beirdo runs Segway Linux
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[20:54:00] cyberknet: and ChanServ is using mythtv on Universal Standard Linux.
[20:54:00] Super_Cat_Frog: darkfire – ive run it on debian sarge, kubuntu, gentoo, all worked the same
[20:54:00] Super_Cat_Frog: well actually i lied, ive not got it running on sarge yet
[20:55:00] ** Beirdo slaps cyberknet with the trout. Silly boy **
[20:55:00] cyberknet: it's been run on ubuntu, gentoo, slakware, debian, redhat, fedora, mandrake, suse, userlinux, turbolinux, MacOS, and more besides. It will work with whatever you pick.
[20:55:00] pmowry: darkfire: the PVR-350 tv out works fine for many of the older arcade games in Mame. Biggest problem is the driver does not support the native screen sizes for the games so they will never be fullscreen ( at least not for me) BTW, I use Fedora 3, RH 9, and gentoo.
[20:55:00] cyberknet: Beirdo: Got a problem with USL linux? =P"
[20:56:00] darkfire: cyberknet, i'm aware that it will work with most anything, i was just asking what the people in here are using right now.
[20:56:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
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[20:56:00] Beirdo: so went from Metallica to Jamiroquai
[20:56:00] cyberknet: Cosmic Girl?
[20:56:00] Beirdo: quite the shift :)
[20:57:00] Beirdo: I still can't believe the tards at HMV had this in Electronica
[20:57:00] Super_Cat_Frog: darkfire – use it on something with a decent package manager like debian or gentoo, that way you wont be searching for dependancies, and dependancies of dependancies, etc
[20:58:00] darkfire: Super_Cat_Frog, yeah, i am leaning to just using gentoo with distcc, that seems like the best way for me
[20:59:00] Super_Cat_Frog: darkfire – its very easy on gentoo. i used to use gentoo until i got bored of the compile times, and i dont have spare nodes to run distcc on
[20:59:00] D-side: hm.
[20:59:00] D-side: I'd love to see a PSP target in nuvexport. :)
[20:59:00] ** Super_Cat_Frog considers installing distcc on his gf's computer when she's not looking **
[20:59:00] mchou: lol
[21:00:00] Super_Cat_Frog: dside – use openmosix or openmsi, they might help out with that
[21:00:00] mchou: Super_Cat_Frog: your gf uses linux? :)
[21:00:00] Super_Cat_Frog: she uses gentoo and loves it (or else!)
[21:00:00] D-side: Super_Cat_Frog: eh?
[21:00:00] kormoc: or else you don't get any?
[21:00:00] Beirdo: D-side: heh.
[21:00:00] mchou: lol, she compiles world too?
[21:00:00] Super_Cat_Frog: or else she gets what for
[21:00:00] Super_Cat_Frog: (not really)
[21:01:00] Super_Cat_Frog: yep, she emerges stuff herself (doesn't like world though)
[21:01:00] ** cyberknet has linux running in windows **
[21:01:00] Super_Cat_Frog: she avoids upgrades at all costs
[21:01:00] Super_Cat_Frog: cyberknet – judas!
[21:01:00] D-side: Super_Cat_Frog: tell her i said she's silly.
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[21:01:00] Super_Cat_Frog: d-side – why?
[21:01:00] mchou: j3_: !!!!
[21:02:00] cyberknet: Super_Cat_Frog: Errr... I like to play games =) But I also like to utilize that cpu for things during the 99% of the time I'm not using it =)
[21:02:00] j3_: mchou: 'sup
[21:02:00] Super_Cat_Frog: cyberknet – i was only joking
[21:02:00] D-side: Super_Cat_Frog: "doesn't like world"
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[21:02:00] Beirdo: j3_: Hey dude :)
[21:02:00] D-side: it doesnt break anything if you do it right. :)
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[21:02:00] mchou: j3_: hey, the dnr filters in ivtv to the DECODER only, right?
[21:02:00] cyberknet: Super_Cat_Frog: heh. Cooperative mode linux
[21:03:00] mchou: j3_: apply*
[21:03:00] Super_Cat_Frog: d-side – she avoids upgrades as much as possible and will not update world unless she has to
[21:03:00] j3_: Hey Beirdo
[21:03:00] Super_Cat_Frog: d-side – i know it doesn't
[21:03:00] j3_: dnr filters are at encode time
[21:03:00] darkfire: pmowry, what did you mean the tv-out almost plays dvds, btw?
[21:03:00] Beirdo: you sticking with the j3_ nick? :)
[21:03:00] j3_: fer now
[21:03:00] j3_: :)
[21:03:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:04:00] j3_: too busy to change atm
[21:04:00] mchou: j3_: hmm, that good to know. I should try it on then.....
[21:04:00] D-side: Super_Cat_Frog: i update all the time, but thats mainly because i've got a fast box to do so with. :)
[21:04:00] cyberknet: j3_: noobs dont bother you as much with that nick, eh? =P"
[21:04:00] Super_Cat_Frog: d-side – mines reasonably fast – athlon-xp 2500+ with 1gb of ram but its still a pain in the arse
[21:05:00] Super_Cat_Frog: i might possibly go back after gcc 4 stabalises, with its super fast compile times
[21:05:00] j3_: cyberknet: changing it daily helped even more, but yeah, gotta hide at least a little... :)
[21:05:00] alunt: Anyone here know what the settings are to get the volume working in Mplayer with a Hauppauge 350 Grey/Black remote?
[21:06:00] cyberknet: Aaah yes. I'd like to say that that is why I haven't contributed much. So I don't get the 'aw3s0ma CyberKnet!! Help me man, you're a God! I love your guide... you add so much... HELP!"
[21:06:00] cyberknet: but alas, the real reason is nowhere near =)
[21:06:00] EmergeTW: I have a .mpg that is showing up as 0 minutes long on in mythtv, but plays fine in mplayer
[21:06:00] EmergeTW: it wont play in mythtv either
[21:06:00] pmowry: No volume control on the 350. You need to map the buttons to control your pc soundcard and connect the 350 to line-in
[21:06:00] Beirdo: cyberknet: more like because it's not written in .net :)
[21:07:00] ** cyberknet sticks a trout in beirdo where the sun doesn't shine **
[21:07:00] cyberknet: I got your C++ right here, buddy
[21:07:00] alunt: pmowry, Okay thanks.I thought i was just missing a setting as everything else works
[21:07:00] cyberknet: I can code C or C++ any day of the week. It's just not likely it will compile.
[21:07:00] cyberknet: =P"
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[21:07:00] cyberknet: and my perl and php are reasonable as well =)
[21:08:00] ** cyberknet snatches his GeekCard back **
[21:08:00] darkfire: pmowry, could you not just use TV/amp volume controls?
[21:08:00] darkfire: pmowry, ...heh, thought you were talking about DVDs, nm
[21:08:00] D-side: Super_Cat_Frog: i just like it for the turnaround time on new version releases.
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[21:09:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:09:00] alunt: darkfire, I have just hooked it through my amp at the moment to obtain volume control
[21:09:00] Beirdo: if I had piles of time, I could rewrite it in Ada to keep all the losers outta the code :)
[21:10:00] pmowry: ada, Have not seen that since '89
[21:10:00] Beirdo: then you only saw the OLD Ada.
[21:10:00] Beirdo: Ada95 is much better
[21:10:00] Beirdo: been a few years though since I used it last
[21:11:00] Super_Cat_Frog: dside – i thought i'd try out kubnutu and i was amazed by how fast packages installed – downloadtime+(<5 seconds)
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[21:12:00] D-side: yeah, i think if i were looking for a new desktop distro, ubuntu is what i'd choose.
[21:13:00] mchou: wow, those dnr filters really make a big difference in picture quality.
[21:17:00] Super_Cat_Frog: d-side- i used ubuntu for a bit but didn't really like it. it doesn't really have that many packages and if you use third party repo's with it, it can/will break
[21:17:00] Super_Cat_Frog: plus when i was considering getting debian testing, hotplug died and wouldn't work so i just wiped it and put sarge on
[21:17:00] Beirdo: huh?
[21:17:00] Beirdo: not many packages?
[21:17:00] Beirdo: coulda fooled me
[21:17:00] Super_Cat_Frog: beirdo – with ubuntu, not debian
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[21:18:00] Beirdo: yeah, ubuntu has everything I've ever looked for
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[21:19:00] Super_Cat_Frog: beirdo – im obviously looking for more obscure packages than you
[21:19:00] FITH: wow... I think the last time I lookat the Ubuntu package list is was around 13,000
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[21:19:00] FITH: Hmm, that was including universe and multiverse tho...
[21:19:00] Beirdo: Super_Cat_Frog: heh, whatever. It's got everything I'd want and then some
[21:20:00] emes: anyone got 0.18 working on os X?
[21:20:00] Beirdo: of course, include universe and multiverse
[21:20:00] Super_Cat_Frog: beirdo – i was using multiverse and universe. im not trolling here, i was obviously looking for more obscure packages
[21:21:00] Beirdo: obviously
[21:21:00] Beirdo: so instead of helping out, you bailed on it :) heh
[21:22:00] Super_Cat_Frog: beirdo – thats about it. there were many packages i wanted but didn't want them enough to compile from source (had i have compiled from source i would have submitted debs)
[21:22:00] Super_Cat_Frog: for example the qt/ruby bindings (i wanted to learn ruby/qt). limewire wasn't there (not that i use limewire.....)
[21:22:00] Super_Cat_Frog: erm
[21:23:00] Beirdo: qt... it is to puke :)
[21:23:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:23:00] Super_Cat_Frog: vmware workstation
[21:23:00] Beirdo: you aren't going to find vmware in any distro, I'd think
[21:23:00] Super_Cat_Frog: beirdo – what?
[21:23:00] FITH: Heh, yeah they don't include copied comercial software... I'll give you that :)
[21:23:00] Beirdo: you need to get that from vmware
[21:23:00] Super_Cat_Frog: beirdo – its in gentoo
[21:24:00] Beirdo: fuckin dumb. but anyways
[21:24:00] cyberknet: I've not coded QT or gtk, but in general I prefer the way QT apps look to the way gtk apps look. Isn't that a nice way to base which toolkit I like best?
[21:24:00] FITH: Heh, only if they're selling it... either that or VMWares going to be suing someone soon :)
[21:24:00] Beirdo: even if they aren't selling, they are riding a fine line of stupidity
[21:24:00] Super_Cat_Frog: you can download vmware, but you need to pay for a serial
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[21:25:00] Super_Cat_Frog: there's also ebuilds for commercial software like ut2004 iirc, and you need the CD in the drive for it to get the files
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[21:25:00] darkfire: i dunno, ebuilds are just scripts to compile it from source, so i'm not all that surprised it's in there
[21:25:00] rddawg: when I try to watch tv myth tells me its already using all inputs for recording, however, I'm not recording anything. can someone point me to a solution?
[21:25:00] Super_Cat_Frog: there are debs of vmware in my repo's, not which repo's though
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[21:27:00] pmowry: rddawg: drivers for your capture card loaded (before mythbackend loads preferably)?
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[21:28:00] rddawg: pmowry: how do I know if they're loaded? I'm using knoppmyth, I thought it handled all that stuff for me
[21:29:00] pmowry: with my PVR-350, if the driver loaded after the backend watch TV but not change channels. // What capture card do you have?
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[21:30:00] pmowry: "I could" should be in that sentence somewhere.
[21:30:00] pmowry: I don't use knoppymyth so I'm not sure what it detects.
[21:31:00] pmowry: brb, doing a unity vmail server install....
[21:31:00] rddawg: pvr-250
[21:32:00] pmowry: do lsmod and look for ivtv. or modprobe ivtv and see what happens.
[21:33:00] rddawg: ivtv is there when I do lsmod
[21:35:00] pmowry: what settings did you use on the backend setup?
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[21:36:00] rddawg: using composite0 – composite4 with 4 being the default.
[21:37:00] rddawg: but this happens even if I only enable 1 at a time
[21:37:00] pmowry: in the setup guides there is something like cat "/dev/video0 > test.mpg" do you get a file that grows until you kill it?
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[21:39:00] rddawg: yes
[21:39:00] Beirdo: j3_: the first time I installed myth, I didn't even know about your guide. what fun
[21:39:00] rddawg: if I use mplayer to watch it I get the show on the current channel
[21:39:00] j3_: Beirdo: same here!
[21:39:00] j3_: :)
[21:40:00] Beirdo: well, duh :)
[21:40:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:40:00] pmowry: What input connection are you using on the card? the RCA plug adapter or a cable screwed onto the card?
[21:40:00] Beirdo: after I found it though, I knew what parts to skip for my setup :)
[21:40:00] j3_: pre-0.8 cvs code to support my pvr-250 back then
[21:41:00] j3_: hadn't found atrpms yet either
[21:41:00] jemarcks: hello j3_
[21:41:00] Beirdo: I started at 0.11 or 0.12 I think.
[21:42:00] j3_: hey jemarcks
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[21:44:00] j3_: wish I had this blade chassis at home...
[21:45:00] jemarcks: j3_, where is that thing in your guide about fixing how fonts are displayed by going back to a previous version rpm?
[21:45:00] jemarcks: heh
[21:45:00] j3_: (working on six PE1655MC's right now)
[21:45:00] jemarcks: my next myth box will be in a silverstone ;)
[21:45:00] j3_: there's a link to another site
[21:46:00] jemarcks: what section is it in... im looking and must be blind
[21:46:00] j3_: Yeah, I might go silverstone, might go ahanix
[21:46:00] j3_: search for urw
[21:46:00] jemarcks: silverstone has a new case just out
[21:46:00] j3_: the short version is: get urw-fonts from fc2
[21:46:00] jemarcks: ah
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[21:51:00] Beirdo: j3_: did they drive you more donations?
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[21:52:00] j3_: haven't looked...
[21:52:00] Beirdo: heh
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[21:53:00] jemarcks: j3_, thanks for the urw info. its fixed now. :)
[21:53:00] j3_: np
[21:54:00] j3_: Beirdo: nah, no change in impressions or clicks
[21:54:00] Beirdo: heh, figures
[21:55:00] j3_: I'm just about to break $50 tho
[21:55:00] Beirdo: I'm at about $38
[21:55:00] Beirdo: I need to add ads back into the newly redone blogs
[21:57:00] j3_: I *just* got around to setting up a blog
[21:58:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:59:00] j3_: wp was amazingly easy to set up
[21:59:00] j3_: I didn't get to it sooner, figuring it would be a lot more effort
[21:59:00] Beirdo: yeah
[21:59:00] j3_: (remembering the original setup of moveable type my brother did)
[21:59:00] Beirdo: I imported mine from blogger
[21:59:00] Beirdo: blogger's crappy publishing errors pissed me off
[22:00:00] Beirdo: need to re-theme the Mythv one
[22:00:00] j3_: Just a few days before setting mine up, I found a theme based off the same theme my site uses
[22:00:00] Beirdo: nice
[22:01:00] Beirdo: well, my myth site is pretty much custom (thanks, xris)
[22:01:00] Beirdo: and I made a mediawiki theme to match
[22:01:00] Beirdo: now I need to do a wordpress one :)
[22:01:00] j3_: ah yes, that does look fairly reminiscent of xris's pages
[22:01:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:02:00] |RoCkY|: hello, any tips for tuning pvr150 , im getting black n white tv picture :( tryed tuning with ptune it's ok but cant get better picture
[22:02:00] xris: heh
[22:02:00] Beirdo: I used his CSS, then started changing colors
[22:02:00] xris: I really wish I had time to actually DESIGN a page for myself.
[22:02:00] Beirdo: although what I ended up with was almost the inverse of his color scheme
[22:02:00] j3_: I should do a wiki next...
[22:02:00] xris: yeah. I have my own wiki engine, actually.
[22:03:00] xris: based on wikimedia's, but slightly smarter (imho)
[22:03:00] Beirdo: I'll stick with mediawiki for now :)
[22:03:00] j3_: I don't think I'll ever get around to a wiki if I have to write my own... :)
[22:05:00] j3_: ah, ltp, you are so fun...
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[22:05:00] Beirdo: splAt1: that is real frigging annoying
[22:05:00] xris: j3_: well, I had to write the parser for work.
[22:05:00] jemarcks: how long does mythcommflag take to run on a 1hr recording?
[22:06:00] xris: I'll release it at some point — I plan to use it in my recipe program.
[22:06:00] Beirdo: time it and find out, jemarcks
[22:06:00] xris: jemarcks: how fast is a car?
[22:06:00] jemarcks: lol
[22:06:00] jemarcks: ok guys.
[22:06:00] j3_: xris: yeah, if I had to do it for work, I might get it done
[22:06:00] xris: jemarcks: translated, that means (depends on your processor, the quality of the recording, etc)
[22:06:00] xris: j3_: only took me a week or so, plus occasional bug fixing afterward.
[22:07:00] Beirdo: yeah, but you rule :)
[22:07:00] xris: heh
[22:07:00] xris: I'm just good with regex. : )
[22:07:00] jemarcks: i got that part xris. was just wondering if anybody had a example
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[22:07:00] j3_: you're *slightly* better than me by a long shot on that kinda thing, I believe...
[22:07:00] j3_: I can deploy a new tomcat server in nothing flat though!
[22:07:00] xris: j3_: I just couldn't find a good php implementation of mediawiki's stuff that I could easily pull out. was easier to write from scratch.
[22:07:00] j3_: :)
[22:08:00] xris: yes. good mix of skills.  :)
[22:08:00] mchou: wow, that's some weird shit...i got my m179 to work by usng the tuner module that came with the distro, not the one compiled by ivtv 0.3.3
[22:08:00] j3_: and I'm getting pretty good with kerberos...
[22:08:00] mchou: using*
[22:08:00] xris: except that I apparently should have learned j2ee or whatever the serverside stuff is called, since that's what mythplus will be happening in.
[22:08:00] CyberKnet: "mythplus"?
[22:08:00] Beirdo: ewwwww
[22:08:00] j3_: aha
[22:09:00] xris: CyberKnet: add a .com
[22:09:00] Beirdo: fuckin Java on serverside?
[22:09:00] xris: yup
[22:09:00] mchou: lol
[22:09:00] xris: or so gecko led me to believe.
[22:09:00] Beirdo: people are on crack, I tell ya
[22:09:00] mchou: Beirdo: exactly :)
[22:09:00] Beirdo: that's one of the main things that causes blogger to fuck up, and caused me to stop using it
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[22:10:00] Kiesus: hello
[22:10:00] Kiesus: i'm trying to install mythtv on a Gentoo machine, but i'm stuck
[22:10:00] CyberKnet: xris: that site doesn't look particularly enthralling...
[22:11:00] xris: CyberKnet: it's not exactly public knowledge yet (or even near finished)
[22:11:00] xris: there's a lot more to it that's not released yet.
[22:11:00] Beirdo: java is evil.
[22:11:00] ** xris likes java for some things **
[22:11:00] Beirdo: not for serverside crap
[22:11:00] xris: can't argue there.
[22:11:00] Kiesus: i'm getting error that the device nodes don't exist
[22:12:00] Beirdo: for an architecture-independent client, sure
[22:12:00] Kiesus: they are there but under a different name..
[22:12:00] CyberKnet: bounty based plugins, and a pay-for listings service.
[22:12:00] Beirdo: Kiesus: so use the names they show up as
[22:12:00] [Klatuu]: wow
[22:12:00] [Klatuu]: finally
[22:12:00] [Klatuu]: I have good sound
[22:12:00] Kiesus: Beirdo: how do i do that?
[22:13:00] [Klatuu]: PVR-500 S-Video
[22:13:00] [Klatuu]: good sound
[22:13:00] Beirdo: go into the setup and put in the device names the way they exist on your system
[22:13:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: how about good video? :)
[22:14:00] [Klatuu]: yup
[22:14:00] [Klatuu]: I have it all
[22:14:00] Kiesus: Beirdo: you mean mythtv setup? i'm not that far yet.. :)
[22:14:00] Beirdo: then what are you talking about?
[22:14:00] [Klatuu]: I still would like to know how to capture the video raw
[22:14:00] Kiesus: Beirdo: i'm trying to scan the channels and create the channels.conf
[22:14:00] [Klatuu]: with as little compression as possible
[22:14:00] Beirdo: huh?
[22:14:00] Beirdo: channels.conf?
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[22:14:00] Kiesus: Beirdo: i'm using this howto: http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/mythdvb.html
[22:14:00] Beirdo: there is no channels.conf for myth
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[22:15:00] [Klatuu]: and I didn't need to use a generic kernel :P
[22:15:00] Beirdo: Hmmm
[22:15:00] Beirdo: DVB.
[22:15:00] Kiesus: yep
[22:15:00] Beirdo: never mind then, I don't have a clue about that, I don't have DVB
[22:16:00] Kiesus: ok..
[22:17:00] j3_: Kiesus: your problems seem to be at the dvb driver level
[22:18:00] Kiesus: meaning what?
[22:18:00] j3_: you might hit up the linuxtv-dvb lists and/or forums
[22:18:00] Kiesus: well i'm using gentoo with udev and maybe that's why the device files are named differently?
[22:19:00] Beirdo: quite likely
[22:20:00] j3_: gentoo forums might be a good bet too
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[22:24:00] Beirdo: there
[22:24:00] Beirdo: that theme is a lot closer to what I'd want as a base
[22:25:00] Beirdo: although the text justification is still obnoxious
[22:25:00] j3_: happy halloween
[22:25:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:25:00] Beirdo: I meant more the layout
[22:25:00] j3_: aha
[22:25:00] j3_: :)
[22:25:00] Beirdo: but yeah
[22:25:00] j3_: wilsonet.com/blog
[22:25:00] Beirdo: the colors are all gonna change anyways
[22:26:00] Beirdo: nice.
[22:26:00] Beirdo: fits right in the theme
[22:26:00] Beirdo: for the advertising, is that a plugin?
[22:26:00] jhs_s: Does anyone know about a script which builds debs from CVS? I thought I saw somethings like that yesterday but I cannot find it anymore...
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[22:29:00] doczico: hello
[22:30:00] doczico: somebody is using WinTV PVR 150 ?
[22:30:00] kormoc: I'm sure someone somewhere is, indeed
[22:30:00] doczico: SURE ? is it compatible with bttv driver ?
[22:30:00] doczico: i'll buy it tomorow if i'm sure that it work
[22:31:00] doczico: but dont find on google
[22:31:00] Beirdo: uses a different driver called ivtv
[22:31:00] doczico: in bttv cardlist that seem ok , but
[22:32:00] doczico: so a stupid question , i've seen on my portage (gentoo) lot of apps fo bttv based card .... so it is better to buy a bt878 based card ??
[22:32:00] doczico: thx Beirdo
[22:32:00] ** j3_ uses a PVR-150 **
[22:33:00] Beirdo: j3_: how did you add the google ads into the blog?
[22:33:00] j3_: hand-edited the theme files
[22:33:00] Beirdo: Ah.
[22:33:00] Beirdo: OK
[22:33:00] doczico: ivtv is for win tv pvr 250 and 350 not 150 !?
[22:33:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:33:00] j3_: that theme actually had a placeholder in it for the ads
[22:33:00] Beirdo: and for 150 and 500
[22:34:00] doczico: j3_, happy of your card ?
[22:34:00] j3_: yup, works great
[22:34:00] j3_: so does my PVR-500
[22:34:00] doczico: and plz wich driver are u using ? ivtv or bttv ?
[22:34:00] j3_: ivtv
[22:34:00] doczico: how it's not the same chip i think !?
[22:35:00] j3_: ?
[22:35:00] jemarcks: i just went back through the alsa setup and ckeck it with aplay and i get sound out to the TV. :)
[22:35:00] jemarcks: I am still not getting any sound when i record or play live tv.
[22:35:00] j3_: jemarcks: that's svid w/no sound still?
[22:36:00] jemarcks: yup
[22:36:00] jemarcks: im retraceing my steps
[22:37:00] jemarcks: output from DTV audio out to Line in on 150 card
[22:37:00] j3_: prob definitely seems to be w/ivtv
[22:37:00] j3_: doczico: not the same chip on the 150 and 500 you mean? actually, they do have the same chips.
[22:38:00] jemarcks: hmm... you sure. i played with the alsamixer setting all evenging yesterday and couldnt come up with a combo that worked
[22:38:00] j3_: alsamixer won't do anything
[22:38:00] jemarcks: so i found
[22:38:00] j3_: your sound card is fine
[22:38:00] doczico: hehe ok j3 , i've read on ivtv forum some page about pvr 150 it's seem great , and working ;p
[22:38:00] j3_: the issue is at capture time
[22:39:00] j3_: alsa plays no part in the capture of audio
[22:39:00] j3_: (with ivtv cards)
[22:39:00] jemarcks: j3_ yes, i agree. maybe i need a option line in modeprobe?
[22:39:00] doczico: just different io on pvr 150 – 500 ??
[22:39:00] j3_: doczico: the 500 is a dual-tuner card. its more or less two 150's on a single PCI board.
[22:39:00] jhs_s: doczico: ivtv works but expect that you will have some work until it does!
[22:40:00] CyberKnet: bbiaf, changing binary
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[22:40:00] doczico: that's not a problem , but i want a working card
[22:40:00] j3_: jemarcks: yeah, could be a modprobe thing, could be an ivtvctl thing you hav eto do...
[22:41:00] doczico: not waiting about 3 months for a good support
[22:41:00] jemarcks: j3_, here is my dmesg output to gaze through. http://www.pastebin.com/277733
[22:42:00] doczico: just one more question
[22:43:00] doczico: somebody now windows apps called "meuhmeuh" ?? have some program like this on linux ?
[22:43:00] jhs_s: jamarcks: Cannot find anything special in your output, looks quite correct.
[22:43:00] stoffel: there's muhmuh for linux and miau, miau
[22:44:00] jemarcks: jhs_s, thats what i was saying too... :(
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[22:44:00] j3_: jemarcks: the cx2388x driver loading looks a bit out of place to me and the bttv complaints about tveeprom_read *might* be of concern, but yeah, nothing looks out of place.
[22:45:00] jhs_s: jemarcks: Maybe you could correct this warning: Encoder Firmware may be buggy, use version 0x02040011
[22:45:00] j3_: I would ask around the ivtv list, I know there are some ways to tweak the audio input path after the modules are loaded
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[22:45:00] doczico: stoffel, you make fun of me? or it's true ? (dont find them , so i belive 1st solution is the good ;p )
[22:46:00] stoffel: french? uh
[22:47:00] doczico: oui ;D
[22:47:00] doczico: lol
[22:48:00] stoffel: gn8
[22:48:00] doczico: i know , i've a bad english :'(
[22:48:00] stoffel: so is my french ;)
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[22:48:00] jemarcks: j3_, yeah i saw that bttv waring and didnt know if it was anything to worry about.
[22:48:00] jemarcks: how do i upgrade encoder firmware?
[22:49:00] j3_: one of these days, I'll actually have to try svid on my card...
[22:49:00] j3_: :)
[22:49:00] j3_: just drop a new encoder firmware file into /lib/modules/
[22:49:00] doczico: lol
[22:49:00] j3_: its uploaded to the card when the module is loaded
[22:49:00] jemarcks: :) well i tried tuner0 and compsite too...
[22:49:00] jhs_s: jamarcks: The warning comes from ivtv, grab a new firmware (Windows-Driver) from the hauppauge website.
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[22:50:00] j3_: oh, I thought you had the tuner working
[22:50:00] j3_: never mind then
[22:50:00] j3_: :)
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[22:50:00] Beirdo: Ahhhhh
[22:51:00] Beirdo: justification fixed
[22:51:00] jemarcks: j3_ well tuner0 sorta works. audio is outa sync with video. thats because i had the line in hooked to the MB line in jack.... not the 150.
[22:51:00] Beirdo: getting the colors all changed will take a moment
[22:51:00] ** jhs_s still waits for a debian package for 0.18... **
[22:52:00] jemarcks: so i get the new firmware from the ivtv site or hauppauge?
[22:52:00] j3_: I believe mdz is at Ubuntu Down Under
[22:53:00] j3_: he said no debs until after he gets back
[22:53:00] j3_: firmware from hauppauge
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[22:53:00] jemarcks: on a firmware hunt.....
[22:53:00] jhs_s: jemarcks: From Hauppauge since it is not open source, there is utility called ivtvfwxtract which takes the windows driver and extracts the firmware.
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[22:53:00] cyberknet: okay
[22:53:00] j3_: you don't even need that for many of the newer firmwares, they're just in zip files.
[22:54:00] cyberknet: I think that does it.
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[22:54:00] jhs_s: j3_: Yes, but I don't want to install 0.17 now if I can get 0.18 next week...
[22:54:00] cyberknet: later folks
[22:54:00] j3_: jhs_s: whatever floats your boat. :)
[22:55:00] j3_: I've upgraded from every version to the next since like 0.11, IIRC
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[22:55:00] j3_: no troubles whatsoever going from 17 to 18 for me
[22:55:00] jhs_s: j3_: Your are using debian?
[22:55:00] doczico: somebody can tell me if bt878A is supported now by bttv ?
[22:56:00] j3_: not on my main production boxes, no
[22:56:00] j3_: yes, the bt878a is supported by bttv
[22:56:00] doczico: in cardlist i found only one card (with bt878a)
[22:56:00] j3_: what cardlist?
[22:56:00] j3_: its probably outdated
[22:56:00] doczico: j3_, full support ?
[22:56:00] j3_: there are lots
[22:56:00] doczico: no lol i found it in
[22:56:00] j3_: the bt8x8 chip is only one of several that makes up a tuner card
[22:56:00] doczico: usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/CARDLIST.bttv
[22:57:00] jhs_s: I wonder if the new mythplugins stuff might break parts of the packaging
[22:57:00] j3_: yeah, that cardlist is outdated
[22:57:00] j3_: hasn't been maintained in a while
[22:57:00] jemarcks: Ok, where do i find the linux firmware for the 150 in the hauppuage site?
[22:57:00] doczico: and my kernel is 2.6.11.6
[22:57:00] doczico: ha ok j3_
[22:57:00] j3_: yes, the packages have to be restructured w/the reorg of the cvs repo
[22:57:00] jemarcks: i see the pvr150_inf.zip
[22:57:00] j3_: that might be it
[22:57:00] j3_: I don't recall
[22:58:00] pce-matty: doczico: what card in particular are you thinking of taking for a spin in your mythbox?
[22:58:00] doczico: u're sure ??? because i dont want to buy some card
[22:58:00] doczico: Hercules Smart TV2 Stereo Remote Control
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[22:58:00] jhs_s: jamarcks: Remember: "Please note: this is for developers only. There is no current retail Linux support for WinTV."
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[22:58:00] pce-matty: doczico: 2.6.9 + covers most of the current 878a driven budget dvb cards
[22:59:00] j3_: but the package reorg is a build-time issue, the end result should be the same as it ever was
[22:59:00] doczico: some links that can confirm ?
[22:59:00] doczico: i belive you , but i prefere evidence ;)
[22:59:00] jhs_s: If in doubt take the exe file below the .inf file
[22:59:00] j3_: linuxtv-dvb mailing list, video4linux mailing list
[22:59:00] ** pce-matty laughs **
[22:59:00] doczico: i'll see
[23:00:00] pce-matty: what country are you from doczico?
[23:00:00] doczico: belgium
[23:00:00] doczico: why ?
[23:00:00] doczico: some spec different ?
[23:00:00] ** pce-matty for instance has trialed almost every dvb card available in Australia **
[23:00:00] doczico: ho ok
[23:00:00] doczico: lol
[23:00:00] j3_: doczico: what exactly do you want to record? analog or digital TV?
[23:00:00] doczico: so i'm faaaar lol
[23:01:00] jemarcks: jhs_s, ok. so i get the inf.zip file and find ivtvfwxtract and run it on the zip file to get the firmware ?
[23:01:00] doczico: analog tv , but in stereo
[23:01:00] doczico: !!
[23:01:00] pce-matty: doczico: pfft, buy any old thing then :)
[23:01:00] doczico: but if i can get a dvb card for same price that can fo analog ...
[23:01:00] jhs_s: jamarcks: I think you need to extract it from PVR150_22_22292.exe
[23:02:00] jhs_s: jemarcks: BTW, what distro are you using and did you install ivtv by hand?
[23:02:00] doczico: pce-matty, near me they are not bt878 based card with stereo mode :'(
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[23:02:00] jemarcks: jhs_s, i have FC3 and followed jarods guide to setup
[23:03:00] j3_: jemarcks: try the latest firmware here:
[23:03:00] j3_: ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_150-500/inf/
[23:04:00] pce-matty: doczico: if you want to be a little more certain that your card will work, choose a model that's actually mentioned in a mythtv howto
[23:04:00] j3_: just unzip the file, then pu HcwMakoA.ROM in /lib/modules/ as-is
[23:04:00] pce-matty: needn't be a howto for the same distro as you're running
[23:05:00] j3_: take HcwFalcn.rom and rename it ivtv-fw-enc.bin
[23:05:00] j3_: then put it in /lib/modules/
[23:05:00] doczico: ok thx pce-matty , thats what i'm trying to do , but no one card in stereo near here :'(
[23:05:00] pce-matty: otherwise you do what a lot of us do and just suck it and see :) me, i've no personal experience with the Hercules card you've mentioned... but i'd probably avoid it and get something with less frills
[23:05:00] doczico: i've an old in my pc , 6 years old, but doesn't work ,
[23:06:00] doczico: broken
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[23:06:00] pce-matty: i'm sure the hercules card's got a nice set of windows software, but at the end of the day you're just buying a card with some chips on it :)
[23:06:00] jemarcks: j3_ , there are 3 files in the window that pops up. pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip is the latest
[23:06:00] j3_: yeah, try the newest one
[23:07:00] ** pce-matty reaches into his drawer of second hand cards **
[23:07:00] jemarcks: is that newer than what i have?
[23:07:00] j3_: yup
[23:07:00] j3_: some folks seem to have had better luck with the HcwFalcn firmwares on their 150s
[23:07:00] j3_: but they don't work as well on the 250/350
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[23:09:00] j3_: okay, 3-day linux test project stress test... if these blades are bad, this should turn up something...
[23:09:00] jemarcks: j3_ how do i get that zip file?
[23:09:00] j3_: ?
[23:09:00] j3_: just download it...
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[23:09:00] jemarcks: ftp isnt working
[23:09:00] jemarcks: grrr
[23:09:00] j3_: hm...
[23:10:00] j3_: I just downloaded it a second ago, no prob
[23:10:00] jemarcks: is there a http site i can use wget on?
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[23:10:00] j3_: do you mean ftp, the app, isn't working, or ftp stalled out?
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[23:10:00] j3_: you can use wget on ftp also...
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[23:10:00] jemarcks: when i click on the link you gave, i get a box with a list of files and i cant seem to find a way to save them
[23:11:00] CygnusX1: Does anyone know the ivtv channel per chance?
[23:11:00] mchou: ivtv-dev
[23:11:00] CygnusX1: Thank you mchou.
[23:11:00] CygnusX1: mchou, How is progress with your 150?
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[23:12:00] mchou: It works only on 720x480
[23:12:00] [Klatuu]: can anyone see why mythtv isn't working from this logfile
[23:12:00] [Klatuu]: http://pastebin.com/277747
[23:12:00] jemarcks: j3_ ftp ftp.shspvr.com/
[23:12:00] jemarcks: ftp: ftp.shspvr.com/: unknown host
[23:12:00] jemarcks: ftp>
[23:12:00] [Klatuu]: I get video manually
[23:12:00] [Klatuu]: so I know the card is configured right
[23:12:00] CygnusX1: Strange.
[23:12:00] j3_: jemarcks: wget ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_150-5 . . . 24.23035.zip
[23:12:00] doczico: i think than i'll buy a pinnacle pc tv pro , it's in top10 of xawtv tuner
[23:12:00] doczico: so ... ;)
[23:12:00] doczico: and bttv :D
[23:13:00] jemarcks: ah... cool. its connecting
[23:13:00] mchou: doczico: noooo........
[23:13:00] mchou: doczico: how much is pctv pro?
[23:13:00] j3_: doczico: note that some pinnacle cards, despite having the same name, actually use the cx88 driver now, because their bt8x8 chipsets were replaced with cx2388x chipsets... So even then, you're not guaranteed.
[23:14:00] jemarcks: j3_, so when this zip file gets here, what do i do to replace my buggy firmware?
[23:14:00] j3_: lemme finish that thought: not guaranteed to get a bttv card, and the cx88 driver isn't the most mature around just yet
[23:14:00] j3_: jemarcks: scroll back a bit. :)
[23:15:00] j3_: Klatuu: you get video w/XvMC disabled?
[23:16:00] mchou: CygnusX1: can yo do me a favor?
[23:16:00] mchou: you*
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[23:17:00] CygnusX1: mchou, I will sure try
[23:17:00] jemarcks: j3_ got it. thx
[23:17:00] doczico: 84 ? near me lol
[23:17:00] ** pce-matty prods his mythmusic 0.18 compile **
[23:17:00] mchou: CygnusX1: go into your kernel source tree, find tuner.h, and tell me what the last tuner defined there is.
[23:17:00] jemarcks: j3_ now i will install it and let ya know
[23:18:00] j3_: cool
[23:18:00] pce-matty: ooh, looks like i gots meself some problems with aacdecoder
[23:18:00] ** pce-matty rolls his eyes **
[23:18:00] doczico: j3_, great info , i'll open the box tomorow i think ;p
[23:18:00] j3_: you might want to power off, unplug, leave it off for a minute, then power it back on, just to be sure all traces of the current firmware get purged
[23:18:00] [Klatuu]: I haven't tried it without xvmc
[23:18:00] [Klatuu]: how do I turn that off?
[23:18:00] doczico: mchou, wich one did you prefer ?
[23:18:00] CygnusX1: # define TDA9887_AUTOMUTE (1<<18) Is this it?
[23:19:00] j3_: frontend -> settings -> playback
[23:19:00] j3_: or something like that
[23:19:00] mchou: CygnusX1: no....
[23:19:00] CygnusX1: #define TUNER_THOMSON_DTT7610 52
[23:19:00] mchou: CygnusX1: ahh, OK.....
[23:19:00] j3_: there's a checkbox for xvmc on the same page as the the pvr350 output
[23:19:00] mchou: CygnusX1: what kernel version is that?
[23:19:00] CygnusX1: Sorry about that, just did a tail on it the first time
[23:20:00] CygnusX1: 2.6.11.7
[23:20:00] jemarcks: j3_, power down. got it.
[23:20:00] mchou: CygnusX1: hmm....
[23:20:00] mchou: doczico: how much is pctv?
[23:20:00] mchou: CygnusX1: ok, thx for the help....
[23:21:00] CygnusX1: mchou, You are most welcome.
[23:21:00] doczico: pctv pro 84 euro
[23:22:00] [Klatuu]: I turned off xvmc. I get stuttering sound then it stops
[23:22:00] [Klatuu]: no video
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[23:22:00] mchou: doczico: 84 euro??? That's way too expensive
[23:22:00] [Klatuu]: before I got a blast of sound then no video
[23:22:00] j3_: ew
[23:22:00] CygnusX1: Just for reference, my main machine is running 2.6.10...it's last tuner is: (only missing the one I gave for 2.6.11.7) #define TUNER_PHILIPS_FM1256_IH3
[23:22:00] mchou: doczico: what's price on pvr250?
[23:22:00] doczico: pctv rave is 48 , stereo 68 but bt878a
[23:22:00] doczico: not supported i think !
[23:22:00] j3_: the pctv stereo should work just fine
[23:22:00] mchou: doczico: what's not supported?
[23:23:00] doczico: yes i know , i know , i've some for 40euro , but not suported o linux philips7135 ...
[23:23:00] mchou: doczico: hmm????
[23:23:00] mchou: saa7135 is supported, I thought.
[23:24:00] doczico: sure about pctvstero ?
[23:24:00] pce-matty: doczico: me, if my only interest was analogue tv, i'd snaffle up a second hand card
[23:24:00] [Klatuu]: http://pastebin.com/277756
[23:24:00] [Klatuu]: that is my latest output
[23:24:00] pce-matty: doczico: not suggesting ebay or anything nuts, but surely your local newspaper has classified ads for people selling their old computer junk?
[23:25:00] doczico: pce-matty, i want a "great card (but basic)" with tv in 720*480 and stereo
[23:25:00] j3_: yes, the saa7135 is pretty well supported
[23:25:00] doczico: yes and on ebay too ...
[23:26:00] mchou: doczico: doczico: what's price on pvr250?
[23:26:00] doczico: lol i'm searching about a simple card from 16h (its 0h30 here)
[23:26:00] doczico: waw not id?e
[23:26:00] j3_: Klatuu, not sure what's up... Do you have read/write into the dir you have set for your live TV buffer?
[23:26:00] doczico: pvr 150 :99 euro
[23:27:00] doczico: 350 : 179 euro (just for info , not interested)
[23:27:00] doczico: j3_, where are you founding thoses infos about chips like 7135 ??
[23:27:00] mchou: doczico: I'd probably give 150 a try. 250 would be preferable......
[23:28:00] j3_: video4linux mailing list
[23:28:00] j3_: video4linux code
[23:28:00] doczico: hmmm ok
[23:28:00] doczico: lol
[23:28:00] ** kormoc can't wait till video8linux comes out. **
[23:29:00] j3_: heh
[23:29:00] [Klatuu]: I have 777 on the buffer directory
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[23:34:00] CygnusX1: How come nobody has the PVR500? retail
[23:34:00] j3_: ?
[23:35:00] j3_: You mean why doesn't anyone have it in stock?
[23:35:00] CygnusX1: Fry's, Newegg, Best Buy, CC....none of them have it. Newegg had them a few weeks ago.
[23:35:00] [Klatuu]: hrmmm
[23:35:00] CygnusX1: j3_, Roger that. Sorry.
[23:35:00] [Klatuu]: I can look at the buffer file and there is audio and video
[23:35:00] [Klatuu]: but nothing shows up on the screen
[23:35:00] Beirdo: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/blog/
[23:36:00] Beirdo: yay
[23:36:00] Beirdo: Theme done to my specifications :)
[23:36:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:36:00] j3_: good stuff
[23:36:00] CygnusX1: Beirdo, IT looks nice. Very clean and readable.
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[23:37:00] Beirdo: thanks :)
[23:37:00] Beirdo: I wanted it to match the rest of the site
[23:37:00] j3_: I need to add you to my blogroll. :)
[23:37:00] Beirdo: Go for it. :)
[23:37:00] Beirdo: I ripped out all the default blogroll, it's time to create a new one
[23:37:00] j3_: yeah, all mine has is my little bro's
[23:38:00] jemarcks: j3_, ok.. i installed the new firmware like you said to ( i pasted your instructions in a vi session). i powered down and waited a bit then brought the box back up. Now, i get a picture and some static hissing in the audio. After about 2sec. the picture freezes.
[23:39:00] j3_: check that, now mine also has you, Beirdo. :)
[23:39:00] jemarcks: j3_ the picture looked more grainy too
[23:39:00] j3_: hm...
[23:39:00] j3_: jemarcks: I'm out of ideas again...
[23:39:00] jemarcks: hmmm.
[23:40:00] Beirdo: Coool
[23:40:00] jemarcks: j3_ i made backups of the firmware files i over wrote.
[23:40:00] Beirdo: And I added yours in. :)
[23:41:00] j3_: Woohah!
[23:41:00] j3_: :)
[23:41:00] clintar: anyone have smooth playback displaying HD content to xvmc or xv at 1280x720?
[23:41:00] j3_: only on like five different boxes
[23:41:00] j3_: :)
[23:41:00] Beirdo: let me know if you'd like a description change :)
[23:41:00] clintar: j3_: was that to me?
[23:41:00] j3_: yup
[23:41:00] clintar: is that running .18?
[23:42:00] j3_: clintar: yeah, I have several boxes that all handle 720p and 1080i playback
[23:42:00] jemarcks: <<<- going to see Hicthhikers Guide tonite :P
[23:42:00] j3_: and yes, running 0.18
[23:42:00] clintar: using what video driver?
[23:42:00] j3_: (also worked as far back as 0.15)
[23:42:00] j3_: all nvidia drivers
[23:42:00] clintar: xvmc?
[23:42:00] j3_: xv
[23:42:00] j3_: xvmc blows
[23:42:00] j3_: (until recent cvs
[23:42:00] j3_: )
[23:43:00] j3_: jemarcks: I've been listening to the BBC radio show version of the Guide all week in the car to and from work
[23:43:00] jemarcks: j3_, i think i will return the 150 to Frys this weekend for a new one. i still have the recept
[23:43:00] clintar: yeah, but using xv eats up my cpu, well makes the X process eat up cpu
[23:43:00] jemarcks: cooooool
[23:43:00] j3_: xvmc is plagued with problems that weren't fixed until post-0.18 cvs
[23:43:00] clintar: only with myth, but mplayer and xine play the same nuv file just fine
[23:43:00] jemarcks: j3_ i used to watch the original series on tv in the 80s
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[23:43:00] clintar: they will play the same stream with xv or xvmc
[23:43:00] j3_: xvmc isn't stable on any of my boxes
[23:44:00] clintar: mythtv doesn't work when i try xvmc
[23:44:00] j3_: but all handle xv just fine
[23:44:00] clintar: xvmc is fine outside of mythtv for me
[23:44:00] j3_: yes, like I said, xvmc in myth should be fixed in current cvs
[23:44:00] clintar: yeah, i'm compiling it now based on the threads about it on the mailing list
[23:45:00] j3_: xv still looks better though, even when xvmc stays stable
[23:45:00] j3_: just gotta have enough oomph. :)
[23:45:00] clintar: but those same threads had people reporting the same problems i have with xv
[23:45:00] j3_: ah
[23:45:00] j3_: oh, do you mean Xv over a 720p DVI connection?
[23:45:00] clintar: it's on an amd64 3500+
[23:45:00] clintar: 6600GT card
[23:45:00] clintar: heh
[23:45:00] clintar: over a 720p connection
[23:46:00] clintar: but it's using the component out
[23:46:00] j3_: I seem to recall hearing that Xv tanks on the new component out thingies
[23:46:00] clintar: haven't bought the $80 dvi ->hdmi cable
[23:46:00] j3_: haven't tried mine yet
[23:46:00] j3_: I use a VGA to component transcoder, everything works peachy
[23:47:00] clintar: yeah, seems to just be those modes that cause the problem
[23:47:00] j3_: Beirdo: nah, description works for me. Describes me pretty well. :-)
[23:47:00] clintar: but then again it's fine with mplayer...
[23:47:00] Beirdo: Hehe.
[23:47:00] clintar: so i don't think it's the hardware/drivers
[23:47:00] j3_: nvidia always has to fuck up something in each new release...
[23:47:00] j3_: :)
[23:48:00] j3_: but generally, I've found 7174 to be pretty damned good
[23:48:00] clintar: same
[23:48:00] j3_: my own A64 3500+ w/6600GT feeds dual 19" monitors w/twinview, has no problems playing back HD there
[23:49:00] j3_: My main HD Myth playback box is an Athlon XP 3200 w/a GF FX 5200, fed to the TV through an Audio Authority 9A60
[23:49:00] mchou: j3_: what's your CPU util while playing HD on that box?
[23:50:00] mchou: 1080 :)
[23:50:00] j3_: about 65–70%, IIRC
[23:50:00] j3_: with kernel deint
[23:50:00] mchou: wow, that's still quite high.....
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[23:50:00] j3_: my secondary box is an Athlon XP 2600, it handles 1080i w/kernel deint fine also
[23:51:00] clintar: j3_: is that box running 32bit or 64bit?
[23:51:00] j3_: mchou: its a helluva lot better than it used to be!
[23:51:00] j3_: the Athlon XP 3200? 32-bit. :)
[23:51:00] clintar: the a64...
[23:51:00] mchou: j3_: what vide card you got in 2600 box?
[23:51:00] mchou: video*
[23:51:00] j3_: I figured, just being a smart-ass. Its Friday!!!
[23:51:00] CygnusX1: What I want to know is, I came across an SG-1 episode that was 42 minutes long, 350MB and BEAUTIFUL. How is that done?
[23:51:00] j3_: the a64 is running RHEL4-AS, x86_64 ed.
[23:52:00] mchou: CygnusX1: divx.
[23:52:00] clintar: yeah, it's friday!! and i have a headache... ugh i think i'm getting sick
[23:52:00] j3_: the 2600 has a GeForce 4 MX 440, 8x AGP card.
[23:52:00] mchou: CygnusX1: lower res.
[23:52:00] mchou: CygnusX1: but still nice....
[23:52:00] CygnusX1: mchou, But, they must but recording as uncompressed and then going to DIVX, right?
[23:52:00] clintar: j3_: maybe i need to try that vga converter thing you have. you need special modelines or anything with that?
[23:53:00] j3_: clintar: yeah, you need special modelines.
[23:53:00] CygnusX1: It is 640x368
[23:53:00] j3_: big drawback versus the component things on the GF 6 series
[23:53:00] mchou: CygnusX1: could be mpeg2 from satellite already....
[23:53:00] j3_: but works great
[23:53:00] clintar: j3_: oh, ur jarod?
[23:53:00] clintar: heh
[23:53:00] j3_: yup, that I be.
[23:53:00] j3_: :)
[23:53:00] clintar: yeah, i guess i know how to get your modelines, then if i want :)
[23:53:00] j3_: :D
[23:54:00] CygnusX1: I grabbed that episode a few weeks ago and it was the clincher for building my Myth box. But, I just can't get the same beauty:filesize ratio.
[23:54:00] mchou: CygnusX1: lol :)
[23:55:00] mchou: CygnusX1: It's not clear to me that's done by myth :)
[23:56:00] mchou: could have been firewire capture and edited.....
[23:56:00] CygnusX1: mchou, :-) I got ya...but I have tried all kinds of options for encoding to xvid and divx and I just can't get er done. :-(
[23:56:00] mchou: transcoded to divx.....
[23:56:00] CygnusX1: Ahhhh. I see. Higher res source?
[23:57:00] mchou: probably 640x480 source....
[23:58:00] mchou: Is that show "numbers" any good?
[23:58:00] CygnusX1: no!
[23:58:00] mchou: My math teache in college is consultant for it.....
[23:58:00] CygnusX1: :-)
[23:58:00] mchou: teacher*
[23:58:00] clintar: numb3rs?
[23:59:00] mchou: CygnusX1: so it's a bad show?
[23:59:00] CygnusX1: A couple of them have been pretty interesting, but, overall, I will be shocked if there is a season 2.
[23:59:00] mchou: clintar: yeah.
[23:59:00] mchou: hmm....
[23:59:00] mchou: NPR they were interviewing my math teacher :)
[23:59:00] clintar: i just laugh at the title thinking it's some l33t hax0r show
[23:59:00] mchou: he said season 2 was likely.....
[23:59:00] mchou: 99% :)

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