| Monday, April 25th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | revenger_: | yess I got a signal |
| [00:01:00] | revenger_: | /var/cache/mythtv//ringbuf2.nuv: No such file or directory |
| [00:01:00] | revenger_: | great |
| [00:01:00] | revenger_: | afterwards it exits |
| [00:01:00] | revenger_: | can anyone help me with that? |
| [00:03:00] | Cromz: | hmm path in myth-setup appears you might have put an ending / on it? |
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| [00:04:00] | CygnusX1: | ANyone seen a bootable CD out with the mythtv .18 frontend on it? |
| [00:05:00] | Beirdo: | make sure the path exists, revenger_. and that the yser can write to it |
| [00:06:00] | Zugot: | what tuner should i use choose if i have a pvr150? |
| [00:06:00] | Zugot: | doh |
| [00:06:00] | Zugot: | someone mentioned before that it would be automatic |
| [00:07:00] | topping: | Zugot: which version of ivtv are you using? |
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| [00:08:00] | revenger_: | Beirdo: ok created the directory.. though I chose the default ones at the beginning |
| [00:08:00] | revenger_: | running mythfilldatabase --manual now |
| [00:08:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, you still need to create the dirs :) |
| [00:09:00] | revenger_: | though I have the bad feeling that it won't work afterwards as well... already tried to get it running for 6 hours now |
| [00:10:00] | lavid: | anyone here have a pchdtv working on gentoo? |
| [00:10:00] | revenger_: | DVB#0 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup. what does that mean actually? |
| [00:11:00] | Beirdo: | exactly what it says, I think |
| [00:13:00] | Zugot: | topping... 0.3 |
| [00:14:00] | revenger_: | yay |
| [00:14:00] | revenger_: | got it running!! |
| [00:14:00] | revenger_: | thanks! |
| [00:14:00] | Zugot: | topping: what version should ibe using with a 150? |
| [00:14:00] | revenger_: | though the installation of mythtv is worse |
| [00:14:00] | Beirdo: | no prob |
| [00:14:00] | topping: | what is the exact version number |
| [00:14:00] | topping: | with the letter |
| [00:14:00] | Beirdo: | blah blah blah :) |
| [00:14:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:14:00] | Zugot: | topping: 0.3.3h |
| [00:15:00] | topping: | ok |
| [00:15:00] | Zugot: | everything works except for the video. all i have is static |
| [00:15:00] | revenger_: | hmm got it segfault now |
| [00:15:00] | topping: | Zugot: send the output of dmesg to http://rafb.net/paste |
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| [00:17:00] | Cromz: | my head hurts.. and this time its not cause of myth..:) it's my damned dogs.. and the puppies. ugh.. where'd I put that burlap sack?.. |
| [00:18:00] | topping: | Cromz: do what the koreans do |
| [00:18:00] | Cromz: | eww |
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| [00:18:00] | Cromz: | not enough meat on them.. they are pomerainians.. |
| [00:18:00] | topping: | hehe |
| [00:18:00] | Cromz: | yap yap yap yap yap.. |
| [00:18:00] | topping: | are those the ones that are the size of a football? |
| [00:19:00] | Cromz: | ya |
| [00:19:00] | Cromz: | 8lb max. |
| [00:19:00] | topping: | "field goal!!!" |
| [00:19:00] | Beirdo: | they can be obnoxious little fuckers, that's for sure |
| [00:19:00] | Cromz: | lol dont' temped me.. |
| [00:19:00] | Cromz: | Beirdo: ya.. and I got 4 right now.. |
| [00:20:00] | Beirdo: | Cromz: what ARE you thinking? :) |
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| [00:20:00] | Cromz: | male and female decieded to have fun.. and now 4 puppies.. |
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| [00:20:00] | Cromz: | we got rid of 2 of them.. 2 left |
| [00:20:00] | Zugot: | hey topping.... http://rafb.net/paste/results/HCeJ4T39.html |
| [00:20:00] | ** Beirdo turns to Bob Barker... ** | |
| [00:20:00] | Cromz: | my old pom lived 19 years.. |
| [00:20:00] | Beirdo: | "Get your pets spayed or neutered" |
| [00:20:00] | Beirdo: | thanks, Bob :) |
| [00:21:00] | Cromz: | we were planing on it. but didn't do it soon enough :( the male is now... alittle late |
| [00:22:00] | Cromz: | that's what I get for letting my wife handle that ;) |
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| [00:22:00] | topping: | Zugot: looks like your tuner is being detected properly |
| [00:22:00] | topping: | Apr 24 14:12:54 tv kernel: ivtv: Tuner Type 47, Tuner formats 0x00001000, Radio: yes, Model 0x00892598, Revision 0x00000001 |
| [00:22:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:22:00] | Beirdo: | punt the pooch |
| [00:23:00] | Cromz: | wife or the dog? |
| [00:23:00] | Beirdo: | one of my friend's aunts had an annoying pom |
| [00:23:00] | Cromz: | er.. wait I didnt' say that |
| [00:23:00] | Beirdo: | the dog :) |
| [00:23:00] | revenger_: | hmm is mythtv supposed to be stable? |
| [00:23:00] | Beirdo: | we'd be on the phone and all I'd hear is YAP YAP YAP YAP YAP |
| [00:24:00] | revenger_: | mythfrontend only reports bad stream and hangs.. |
| [00:24:00] | Beirdo: | I'd be like "shut that fucking dog up" |
| [00:24:00] | Cromz: | yup.. the female is quite mellow but the male OMG shoot the thing! |
| [00:24:00] | revenger_: | 2005-04–25 01:24:15.948 Waited too long for decoder to pause |
| [00:24:00] | Zugot: | topping, should i just chose tuner 0 in mythtv-setup? |
| [00:24:00] | topping: | yes |
| [00:24:00] | topping: | as in tuner0 with no space you mean? |
| [00:24:00] | Zugot: | yessir |
| [00:25:00] | Beirdo: | revenger_: maybe go search the mailing list, I'm sure you aren't the only one to have troubles ever |
| [00:25:00] | topping: | yep that's what i use |
| [00:25:00] | Zugot: | let me look again |
| [00:25:00] | topping: | Zugot: are you able to get video with mplayer? |
| [00:25:00] | Beirdo: | I'll stick with a sheltie :) |
| [00:25:00] | Beirdo: | whenever I get a dog |
| [00:26:00] | Zugot: | topping: let me install mplayer |
| [00:27:00] | topping: | Zugot: do you get a lot of junk when you 'cat /dev/video0' ? |
| [00:30:00] | topping: | okay, when upgrading to 0.18, if i 'apt-get remove mythtvsetup' then add it back, i'm presumably not going to lose any config because it's all in the db, correct? |
| [00:30:00] | Zugot: | topping: yes i do.. |
| [00:30:00] | topping: | (i need to do some other library maintenance, so i need to do it in this order) |
| [00:31:00] | Zugot: | actually, i may need to check that cable connection. i'm getting the same snowy screen |
| [00:31:00] | topping: | so are you getting snow in myth? |
| [00:31:00] | Zugot: | topping: with mplayer and myth |
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| [00:32:00] | topping: | i think you are right about the cable connect then... garbage in... la la la :-) |
| [00:32:00] | Zugot: | i put a cable splitter on my cable modem... that could be an issue.. |
| [00:32:00] | Zugot: | could be a bad cable |
| [00:32:00] | jasoncohen: | topping: it's always a good idea to backup the db anyways |
| [00:32:00] | Zugot: | how much bandwidth does a frontend need? |
| [00:33:00] | topping: | jasoncohen: will do that for sure, just wanted to make sure there wasn't any other things that I was missing |
| [00:33:00] | Zugot: | i may just put the backend on my bridged wireless network. that way i have access to a better cable signal |
| [00:34:00] | topping: | any signal is good enough to get started testing with though |
| [00:39:00] | topping: | with any luck, will have mythfrontend on xbox soon |
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| [00:50:00] | Zugot: | do you have to chip your xbox to get the mythfrontend on it? |
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| [00:56:00] | Zugot: | does anyone know of a way to get around the Net::FTP file size limit? |
| [00:57:00] | Zugot: | do.. wrong # |
| [00:57:00] | rpete: | Zugot, mine has not been hard modded, runing mythtv |
| [00:57:00] | rpete: | used the mechassault software hack |
| [00:57:00] | Zugot: | rpete... i'll work on that tomorrow then... |
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| [00:58:00] | CygnusX1: | Okay, I am having the problem all of a sudden where ringbuf1.nuv cannot be read |
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| [01:04:00] | topping: | Zugot: are you doing a myth box too? |
| [01:04:00] | Zugot: | i may |
| [01:04:00] | topping: | :) |
| [01:04:00] | Zugot: | once i figure out my other issue first |
| [01:04:00] | topping: | do you know what version your xbox is? |
| [01:04:00] | Zugot: | if it works well... i'll pop another pvr150 in.. |
| [01:04:00] | Zugot: | its a new one |
| [01:05:00] | Zugot: | i've only had it for one month |
| [01:05:00] | topping: | you might want to find out what version it is.. 1.6 can't do softmod to my knowledge and 1.6b needs special handling |
| [01:06:00] | topping: | there are some 1.4 boxes in stores out there... i bought two of them at the same time, one was 1.6b and the other was 1.4 |
| [01:06:00] | topping: | this was about three weeks ago |
| [01:06:00] | topping: | the modchip is great though. after having one, i don't think i'd do it any other way |
| [01:08:00] | CygnusX1: | How can I increase the font size in the Program Guide? |
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| [01:21:00] | Bog_: | hello |
| [01:21:00] | CygnusX1: | My /dev/v4l/video* devices suddenly changed to only allowing root access |
| [01:21:00] | Bog_: | anyone suggest some hardware for building a mythtv system? specifically, I'd like it to be small and quiet |
| [01:21:00] | Bog_: | any cases that look like stereo components? |
| [01:22:00] | Bog_: | micro-atc or mini-itx mobo? |
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| [01:27:00] | Cromz: | bog: the one I've been looking at is this one :P http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856160004 |
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| [01:29:00] | Bog_: | crom: very simple... what kinda board? |
| [01:29:00] | Cromz: | it's a barebones.. mobo in it. they have pent and amd styles.. |
| [01:29:00] | Bog_: | that atx? |
| [01:29:00] | Bog_: | ok |
| [01:30:00] | Bog_: | style and noise are my biggest concern |
| [01:31:00] | Cromz: | dunno aobut the noise.. but it's got style ;) |
| [01:31:00] | Bog_: | ive seen better |
| [01:31:00] | Bog_: | I like the alienware case |
| [01:33:00] | Cromz: | Message from Bog_ at 19:21:57: any cases that look like stereo component? <-- just answering your question. :/ |
| [01:33:00] | Bog_: | crom: I agree, sorry, I dont mean to criticise |
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| [01:44:00] | revenger_: | when I set up a few shows for recording can I close mythtv then? |
| [01:44:00] | Cromz: | revenger_: the frontend yes |
| [01:44:00] | revenger_: | whow cool |
| [01:44:00] | Cromz: | the backend needs to be running for it to record |
| [01:49:00] | ws1: | Typically "small" != "quiet". |
| [01:49:00] | ws1: | The quietest box I have is an Antec Piano Sonata. But it's big. |
| [01:49:00] | ws1: | Note that the Antec "overture" flat case is quite a bit noisier... |
| [01:50:00] | ws1: | Though you can have a *small* box, conduction-cooled, like the Via 999MHz chipset doing the frontend, and have a much beefier machine in another room that has all your tuners and disks. |
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| [01:51:00] | ws1: | I think it's a mini-ATX that Via has the chipset on. All passive cooling. I even got one running with DSL on a flash memory CF card, mounted readonly, so the thing is totally silent. |
| [01:52:00] | Cromz: | very true.. then you can use something silly like a mini-itx for the frontend like this thing lol ;) http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/htpc/images/gallery0037L.jpg |
| [01:53:00] | ws1: | Ya gotta admit, it's got a lot of style. :) |
| [01:54:00] | Cromz: | lol |
| [01:54:00] | Cromz: | they have another one in a small guitar |
| [01:55:00] | ws1: | tho, that one has a fan. Isn't totally silent. But EPIA makes a mobo/cpu in the same exact formfactor that is passively cooled. No fan. That plus a 1 gig CF card for the OS, and you're totally quiet. :) |
| [01:55:00] | Cromz: | yup. |
| [01:56:00] | Cromz: | I like the remote control car idea.. always have since I saw it. but just never made one lol |
| [01:56:00] | CygnusX1: | I am suddenly having trouble with myth watching live tv and recordings. |
| [01:56:00] | CygnusX1: | Couldn't read data from the capture card in 15 seconds. Stopping. |
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| [01:56:00] | CygnusX1: | cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg is producing video. |
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| [01:59:00] | CygnusX1: | In console for mythfrontend, I see a "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION" |
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| [02:09:00] | rumz: | Hello, I've got a problem with MythMusic and I think i know what's causing it, but I don't know how to fix it. It has to do with setting ALSA:default in the setup. Now mythmusic crashes on playback of ANY file type |
| [02:09:00] | topping: | ruh roh... seems MythCenter theme has gone away |
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| [02:10:00] | _Nero_: | say, I noticed that one of the "new version" changes was "Menu images zoom when selected." Does this mean that the screen you are currently on, should zoom out, or something?? or is it something else? |
| [02:13:00] | revenger_: | is that advertisement cutting feature reliable? |
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| [02:19:00] | topping: | wow, ok. i'm a chucklehead. i had my theme set to MythCenter and upgraded. i tried launching frontend, but it complained. So I updated the database... update settings set data="default" where value='Theme' and hostname='...' |
| [02:19:00] | topping: | but that doesn't seem to load |
| [02:19:00] | topping: | 'Couldn't find theme /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default' |
| [02:19:00] | topping: | the directory is there and fine tho |
| [02:21:00] | topping: | ugh |
| [02:22:00] | topping: | any ideas? |
| [02:24:00] | rumz: | topping: did you upgrade the myththemes package as well? |
| [02:24:00] | topping: | yes i believe so let me check again |
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| [02:24:00] | topping: | mythtv-themes-0.18–107.rhfc3.at |
| [02:24:00] | topping: | so yah |
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| [02:26:00] | topping: | presumably the name of the theme is the name of the directory in /usr/share/mythtv/themes |
| [02:26:00] | topping: | ? |
| [02:27:00] | rumz: | topping: hmm. check if the rpm screwed up permissions? that happened yesterday to me when i installed distcc and it hcanged perms on /tmp and my kde wouldn't work anymore. |
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| [02:27:00] | topping: | rumz: all are world readable |
| [02:28:00] | topping: | are you handy with mysql? |
| [02:28:00] | topping: | could i give you a query string? |
| [02:28:00] | rumz: | i could try; not an expert, but I could compare it with my own settings |
| [02:28:00] | topping: | select * from settings where value='Theme'; |
| [02:29:00] | topping: | that will give you one line for each client, i'm interested in the value in the 'data' column |
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| [02:29:00] | rumz: | topping: let me check what mine says. |
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| [02:31:00] | rumz: | topping: I just upgraded (i think successfully :) to 0.18 and I only have 2 themes: Titivillus and G.A.N.T in my data column |
| [02:32:00] | topping: | okay, so the client with the entry of G.A.N.T. — it's running okay? |
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| [02:32:00] | rumz: | yes, as far as mythtv loading, it's an epia m10000 and i'm still tryign to get video to work right, but myth will load and run alright with the theme |
| [02:32:00] | topping: | hmm, ok |
| [02:33:00] | topping: | i think GANT works |
| [02:33:00] | topping: | whew! |
| [02:33:00] | topping: | thanks! :-D |
| [02:33:00] | rumz: | i think there is a little note on mythtv.org where he says something about the new themes setup and what's in where and so on. |
| [02:34:00] | rumz: | did i help you solve anything? |
| [02:35:00] | topping: | totally! |
| [02:35:00] | rumz: | sorry i am not as much of a guru as the others in here. |
| [02:35:00] | rumz: | good. glad to be of service. |
| [02:35:00] | topping: | it turns out that there are about seven themes that are in the themes dir |
| [02:35:00] | topping: | but only two of them actually work! |
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| [02:35:00] | rumz: | i must have been lucky to have been using one of them. |
| [02:35:00] | timekllr: | rumz what distro are you using with your m10000 ? |
| [02:35:00] | topping: | yah, probably :-) |
| [02:36:00] | rumz: | i have been trying to get gentoo to run, but everytime i start installing the x drivers and stuff, i get stuck and start over |
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| [02:37:00] | timekllr: | rumz yeah I/m installing my m10000 as we speak – finally got fed up trying gentoo |
| [02:37:00] | rumz: | timekllr: i just found this: http://www.magicitx.com/modules.php?name=Cont . . . e&pid=10 and am going to try that. |
| [02:37:00] | rumz: | timekllr: what are you trying now |
| [02:37:00] | timekllr: | fedora |
| [02:37:00] | timekllr: | but it looks like the atrpms repository is not working |
| [02:37:00] | topping: | there's a nice howto for fedora if you don't know about it already |
| [02:38:00] | timekllr: | can't win |
| [02:38:00] | timekllr: | yeah i know about it :) |
| [02:38:00] | rumz: | i liked that, but at the time i tried that, i had a small hard drive and it would get filled up too quickly. i got a bigger one so maybe i will try again. |
| [02:38:00] | topping: | so are you trying to get through the step to install apt? |
| [02:38:00] | timekllr: | background: I have 5 myth boxen in my house – i am currently building a carpc |
| [02:38:00] | topping: | niiiice!!!! |
| [02:38:00] | rumz: | very nice |
| [02:39:00] | timekllr: | i've got apt installed, but dist-upgrade is bombing – forbidden errors on downloads |
| [02:39:00] | topping: | yah i was getting that too |
| [02:39:00] | topping: | just a few mins ago |
| [02:39:00] | CygnusX1: | I thought I had a Myth box, but, it blew up |
| [02:39:00] | Cromz: | when you say 5 mythboxes.. .you mean 5 backend / frontends? or 1 backend and 4 frontends? or? ;) heheh |
| [02:39:00] | timekllr: | this is my ome setup: https://www.timekiller.org/filelib/mythtv.png |
| [02:39:00] | timekllr: | 3 backends |
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| [02:39:00] | timekllr: | s/ome/home |
| [02:40:00] | topping: | i went through and commented out those repos in /etc/apt/.. |
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| [02:40:00] | timekllr: | topping it's the main repo though |
| [02:40:00] | topping: | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| [02:40:00] | rumz: | i would get those errors, one solution, if possible, is to find other sources. it doesn't seem to go looking on its own for faster ones |
| [02:41:00] | topping: | i'm just wondering if the updates are permanently gone |
| [02:41:00] | topping: | the servers are up, the directories are missing |
| [02:41:00] | timekllr: | right |
| [02:41:00] | timekllr: | i'm commenting out the repo now – see how it goes |
| [02:41:00] | rumz: | i bet not, keep hope alive ;) |
| [02:41:00] | topping: | :-) |
| [02:41:00] | topping: | i'm sure there's an alternate |
| [02:42:00] | topping: | would like to find m'self |
| [02:42:00] | rumz: | are you guys using the wilsonet howto? that worked very well for me after 2 tries. |
| [02:42:00] | topping: | yah |
| [02:42:00] | timekllr: | yup |
| [02:43:00] | Cromz: | timekllr: so setting up the slaves.. do they use the same database or do they have thier own? |
| [02:43:00] | topping: | http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/topping/arch . . . _mythtv.html |
| [02:43:00] | rumz: | so timekllr, you gave up on gentoo? the instructions for the video portion are so confusing and contradictory. |
| [02:43:00] | topping: | dunno if that helps |
| [02:43:00] | timekllr: | Cromz same db |
| [02:43:00] | Cromz: | kool. |
| [02:44:00] | timekllr: | rumz yeah i gave up..i tried eveything, even went so far as manually patching the X tarball, and creating my own ebuild... |
| [02:44:00] | topping: | timekllr: how are you getting DirecTV into the backend? analog + IRBlaster? |
| [02:44:00] | timekllr: | 3 days and nothing to show |
| [02:45:00] | rumz: | timekllr: i know, i've been trying for almost a year now (not straight, but on and off) and it won't work. |
| [02:45:00] | timekllr: | topping I use composite in, and change channels with a serial cable |
| [02:45:00] | topping: | ah nice |
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| [02:46:00] | timekllr: | rumz yeah – hard to keep trying to do it on gentoo when everytime i google, i see that fedora core 3 rpm staring back at me |
| [02:46:00] | rumz: | timekllr: lol |
| [02:46:00] | rumz: | have you guys ever had trouble with mythmusic? mine is crashing since upgrading to 0.17 and now the same in .18 |
| [02:47:00] | timekllr: | rumz no troubles here... |
| [02:48:00] | rumz: | do any of you have ALSA:default as your audio output in setup? |
| [02:48:00] | rumz: | that emoticon should be a ':' followed by a 'd' |
| [02:49:00] | timekllr: | hmm, commented out broken repo and now mythtv-suite can't be installed :( |
| [02:49:00] | timekllr: | i can't win this weekend |
| [02:50:00] | rumz: | timekllr: ooch. i know how you feel. can you 'access' a website for that repo and see if that comes up? maybe down for maintenance? |
| [02:51:00] | timekllr: | http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/3/i386/updates/ |
| [02:51:00] | timekllr: | looks like files are just missing |
| [02:51:00] | topping: | timekllr: you need a different package |
| [02:51:00] | topping: | name |
| [02:51:00] | topping: | mythtv-setup |
| [02:51:00] | topping: | (had to find it) |
| [02:52:00] | topping: | then use 'mythtv-frontend' if you need that too |
| [02:52:00] | timekllr: | i need mythtv and all the plugins...doing them 1 at a time by hand will be a P.I.T.A. |
| [02:53:00] | topping: | there's only three packages on 0.18 |
| [02:53:00] | Lithi: | What type of capture card do I need if I want to be able to use my digital cable with MythTV? |
| [02:53:00] | rumz: | timekllr: are you at all concerned that fedora has too much 'stuff' going on that the m10000 won't be able to keep up? are there rpms for accelerated videp/3D? onboard mpeg decoder? |
| [02:53:00] | _Nero_: | rumz- yes, I have had many a problem with mythmusic.. |
| [02:53:00] | _Nero_: | it runs about as stable as a 2 legged horse on my machine. |
| [02:54:00] | topping: | Lithi: you'll probably need to put your cable box in front of the myth box |
| [02:54:00] | topping: | myth doesn't decode digital cable |
| [02:54:00] | _Nero_: | rumz- are you getting segfaults? |
| [02:54:00] | timekllr: | rumz i'm using an 80GB laptop HD, got plenty of sapce to deal with the "extra" stuff fedora throws in – as for RPM... |
| [02:54:00] | rumz: | _Nero_: mine crashes everytime i try to PLAY any type of file. says "No useable audio output found" Ever seen that? |
| [02:55:00] | Lithi: | topping: Then do I need to change the channels on my Digital box to change them on the MythTV? |
| [02:55:00] | _Nero_: | humm.. thats not the problem I am having.. thoug I have heard that ALSA doesnt necessarily work well. |
| [02:55:00] | timekllr: | jarod's fedora howto points to : http://www.kingcot.eclipse.co.uk/unichrome/ |
| [02:55:00] | topping: | Lithi: no, you can set up the myth box to change them, either through an IRBlaster or a serial cable |
| [02:55:00] | timekllr: | which has vid drivers that support the xvmc hardware decoder |
| [02:55:00] | rumz: | Nero: yes, I am recompiling myth with debugging support so hopefully someone will understand what the problem is |
| [02:55:00] | topping: | but the myth server tells the cable box to change |
| [02:55:00] | rumz: | timekllr: kool, i will have to try fedora again. i really liked it a lot |
| [02:56:00] | _Nero_: | Lithi- if your cable box has no low speed data port, you will need to use an ir blaster.. |
| [02:56:00] | timekllr: | i've come to hate RPM distros, but in this case I don't have any choice :( |
| [02:56:00] | _Nero_: | the "easy" diy blaster on lirc.org works great (the one that is just a resistor and a IR diode). |
| [02:57:00] | rumz: | timekllr: I agree, but i liked fedora. yum is pretty nice, and the apt setup jarod sets you up with seems to work well (when the repos are up :) |
| [02:57:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: Would that allow me to record a digital channel while watching another channel? |
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| [02:57:00] | timekllr: | rumz yeah – just need the repo now :) |
| [02:58:00] | _Nero_: | Lithi- you would need 2 encoder/TV cards to do that.. |
| [02:58:00] | timekllr: | can't even do individual apt-gets – just tried |
| [02:58:00] | _Nero_: | The IR blaster, simply controls the cable box. |
| [02:58:00] | _Nero_: | (it works like your remote control does- changes the stations, etc..) |
| [02:58:00] | Lithi: | Oh I see |
| [03:01:00] | Lithi: | So I havent built a MythTV box yet but as for video capture / output a Hauppauge PVR-350 would do everything I need right? |
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| [03:02:00] | topping: | Lithi: a 150 will as well |
| [03:02:00] | topping: | but you will need some way to control the box |
| [03:02:00] | _Nero_: | topping- can a 150 do output as well? |
| [03:02:00] | rumz: | Lithi: I have been very happy with my PVR350, but I think a 250 or even 150 will be alright if you have a powerful enough machine |
| [03:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | _Nero_: Only the 350's do output |
| [03:02:00] | topping: | _Nero_: i thought output from all hauppauge is broken? |
| [03:02:00] | _Nero_: | I thought the 350 was the only one which would do 350.. |
| [03:03:00] | timekllr: | Lithi I i have a 350, and don't care for it...prefer my 250 with an nvidia tv out |
| [03:03:00] | topping: | oh tv out |
| [03:03:00] | topping: | hehe |
| [03:03:00] | _Nero_: | topping- I have no idea. I know in 0.16, 0.17 people were using output from a 350. |
| [03:03:00] | topping: | sorry, i'm talking about IR output |
| [03:03:00] | _Nero_: | timekllr- that is my setup as well. |
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| [03:03:00] | ** topping goes back to his corner ** | |
| [03:03:00] | Lithi: | timekllr: Whys that? |
| [03:03:00] | _Nero_: | Gotcha topping. |
| [03:03:00] | _Nero_: | Lithi- the 350 output is a PITA, and is pretty limited (or was when I last checked) |
| [03:04:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: Whats PITA? |
| [03:04:00] | _Nero_: | nvidia TV out is well supported, and is pretty darn good quality. |
| [03:04:00] | _Nero_: | Pain in the (butt) :) |
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| [03:04:00] | topping: | but methinks Lithi is still going to need a changer setup as well as whatever card for video |
| [03:04:00] | Lithi: | Oh lol |
| [03:04:00] | timekllr: | Lithi <disclaimer>i have not tried the absolute newest drivers yet</disclaimer> i have stability problems, and can't do everything I can with nvidia tv-out... |
| [03:04:00] | Lithi: | Yea I want a remote for sure |
| [03:05:00] | _Nero_: | yes, you would also need some way of changing channels on your cable box. |
| [03:05:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: Ill just do the analog for now then figure out the digital later.. Its only G4 TV |
| [03:06:00] | _Nero_: | Lithi- you can build an IR receiver, and IR blaster, which will use LIRC to both accept input from a remote control, and will also send signals to your cable box to change the chanels. |
| [03:06:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: Its gone so down hill I dont think ill miss it for a while... but thats another convo |
| [03:06:00] | _Nero_: | hehe.. yeah, I know that one. |
| [03:06:00] | topping: | has anyone done 'emerge mythfronend' on gentoo? |
| [03:06:00] | topping: | it seems to be broken |
| [03:06:00] | _Nero_: | Lithi- so you can use normal coax cable input for the analog? |
| [03:06:00] | [Xander]: | looking for troubleshooting tips for snap/crackle/pops in spdif audio. is that usually a problem with the driver, or a problem with a configuration setting? |
| [03:06:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: Yep |
| [03:06:00] | timekllr: | Lithi as long as your cable box has a low speed data port, channel changing is easy |
| [03:07:00] | _Nero_: | then all you would need is the PVR-x50, and an IR receiver.. |
| [03:07:00] | topping: | [Xander]: have the KHz set correctly on both sides? |
| [03:07:00] | _Nero_: | timekllr- its not too difficult with a blaster either.. ;) |
| [03:07:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: Does the 250 not have a remote? |
| [03:07:00] | _Nero_: | though my fiancee keeps knocking the damn thing off the shelf, and breaking it when she dusts!! |
| [03:07:00] | _Nero_: | Lithi- I got an OEM one, whihc didnt come with a remote or reciever. |
| [03:07:00] | [Xander]: | topping: i can't seem to locate the Khz setting on the stereo, but I could try different settings on the linux if I knew where to put them... |
| [03:08:00] | topping: | sorry i don't but there are usually two of them to my knowledge.. 44.1 and 48k |
| [03:08:00] | timekllr: | _Nero_ i don't doubt that, i like the serial cable cuz there's no worryong about it getting knocked, and from what I read the irblaster has a delay that's a pain |
| [03:08:00] | _Nero_: | timekllr- heh.. I just WISH I had a low speed data port on my DirecTV receiver.. |
| [03:08:00] | [Xander]: | topping: thanks... i'm going to search online for the user manual for my stereo to see what khz it uses/how to set it. |
| [03:09:00] | [Xander]: | if i'm at the wrong speed, wouldn't it just not play at all? |
| [03:09:00] | timekllr: | _Nero_ hehe – i have 3 receivers, and looked for the port when we bought each of them :) |
| [03:09:00] | topping: | no, it's not that smar ;-) |
| [03:09:00] | [Xander]: | so it would play, but put in crap in the signal? |
| [03:09:00] | topping: | [Xander]: i |
| [03:09:00] | topping: | i'm just guessing |
| [03:10:00] | topping: | but it's worth checking first |
| [03:10:00] | topping: | they don't do error correction, so it will just play what it gets |
| [03:10:00] | [Xander]: | for some reason i thought that the unit would 'auto detect' the incoming signal speed. More research is necessary. |
| [03:10:00] | topping: | true, see, i'm talking out my arse too ;-) |
| [03:11:00] | topping: | just thought it might be an easy check |
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| [03:11:00] | _Nero_: | timekllr- I have a 100ms delay between signals sent from my ir blaster- it submits 3 numbers, enter, then clear (to clear the un-turn-off-able OSD on my DTV box), so that is 1/2 second to change the channel- I am probably just used to that delay, but it doesnt seem too bad (at least on my machine) |
| [03:11:00] | [Xander]: | i think i remember seeing it flash up '48khz' on the screen (of the stereo) as it detected a device sending signals |
| [03:11:00] | topping: | ah right, good point |
| [03:11:00] | topping: | i bet that's not worth chasing then |
| [03:12:00] | topping: | you have a yamaha 950 amp? :-) |
| [03:12:00] | [Xander]: | and i thought i saw 44.1khz as well... |
| [03:12:00] | [Xander]: | if i had any $$ left after building my mythbox :) |
| [03:12:00] | [Xander]: | it's a sony |
| [03:12:00] | topping: | ah ok |
| [03:12:00] | timekllr: | _Nero_ prolly not much different from the serial delay – but I have to sit through the dumb OSD from the receiver (2 seconds) |
| [03:12:00] | [Xander]: | a crappy sony. |
| [03:13:00] | _Nero_: | timekllr- do you use a script to send the serial cable signals? |
| [03:13:00] | _Nero_: | or is it different when you are using a serial changer? |
| [03:13:00] | timekllr: | _Nero_ yeah, it's a perl script that sends the change channel command |
| [03:13:00] | [Xander]: | i don't know if it is the myth box or the tuner, but my spdif audio drops offline alot. i have to stop playback, and then restart the video from the beginning, then fast forward, and audio resums |
| [03:14:00] | _Nero_: | you might want to see if you can dig up the "clear" signal, and just tack it on to the end of the "change channel" signals. |
| [03:14:00] | timekllr: | nice thing is, it wait for the confirm back from the receiver, if it fails the script can resend the signal |
| [03:14:00] | _Nero_: | oooh.. that is very nice.. |
| [03:14:00] | timekllr: | _Nero_ tried that, the clear signal does nothing when sent through the serial line |
| [03:14:00] | [Xander]: | my main problem at the moment with my mythtv is my audio quality/reliability. |
| [03:14:00] | _Nero_: | with my falling apart blaster (just re-soldered it tonight when it stopped working altogether), I have missed a few recordings. |
| [03:15:00] | _Nero_: | timekllr- humm.. I am wondering if you could build the simple IR blaster, and tack on the "clear" signal after the channel change stuff is sent? |
| [03:15:00] | timekllr: | _Nero_ that SUCKS my gf would kill me :) |
| [03:15:00] | _Nero_: | if the 2-seconds really bothers you. |
| [03:15:00] | CygnusX1: | Who said to use the MPEG-TS setting? |
| [03:15:00] | [Xander]: | i'm wondering if it's worth the effort to swap my video output from my nvidia card to the pvr350 tvout. I originally had stability problems with pvr350 tvout. |
| [03:15:00] | CygnusX1: | That pooched me. |
| [03:15:00] | timekllr: | _Nero_ nah, the OSD is tollerable |
| [03:15:00] | CygnusX1: | Had to go into SQL tables to shut it back off. |
| [03:15:00] | _Nero_: | timekillr- well, my fiancee was pretty pissed (was her show that was missed) but I mentioned she was the one who kept knocking the channel changer off the shelf! ;) |
| [03:16:00] | _Nero_: | saved me this time.. ;) |
| [03:16:00] | timekllr: | _Nero_ I changed my myth osd so it overlaps the dtv one..i barely see it now :) |
| [03:16:00] | _Nero_: | nice.. :) |
| [03:16:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: Did you build your own / buy a seperate reciever to use with your MythTV box? |
| [03:16:00] | _Nero_: | Lithi- I built my own. |
| [03:17:00] | _Nero_: | it is a serial board that has both the receiver and blaster compoenents on it (they both use different signal lines from the serial port, so you can use one cable) |
| [03:17:00] | [Xander]: | anyone know a good howto for putting in a pvr150 in a box that already has a pvr350? |
| [03:17:00] | Lithi: | cool |
| [03:18:00] | _Nero_: | Lithi- they are easy to build. I solder worse than a 3 fingered monkey, but it worked on the first try.. |
| [03:18:00] | timekllr: | _Nero_ lol |
| [03:18:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: Is there a guide on how to build one? |
| [03:19:00] | _Nero_: | well, there are schematics.. and there is a little guide, let me see if I can dig it up. |
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| [03:19:00] | _Nero_: | http://www.lirc.org/images/schematics.gif <---- schematic for the receiver |
| [03:19:00] | timekllr: | ok, who maintains the ayo.freshrpms.net repo ? ... I'm yelling at him :) |
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| [03:20:00] | _Nero_: | http://www.lirc.org/images/simple_transmitter.gif <----- schematic for the transmitter. |
| [03:20:00] | intrade: | does mythtv make problems with sound if configured wrong? |
| [03:21:00] | _Nero_: | http://www.lirc.org/transmitters.html <---- whole page on transmitters. I tried the "complicated/safe" one, and I, along with a few other guys that were trying, couldn't get it to work. We have all found the "unsafe/easy" one to work fine for over a year. |
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| [03:22:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: I like the super easy way and prob just look to buy one :D |
| [03:22:00] | _Nero_: | hehe.. if ya have the cash, go for it.. |
| [03:23:00] | _Nero_: | I was told if I spent another dime on this project, I would be in trouble.. and had all the pieces laying around to build my own. |
| [03:23:00] | rumz: | timekllr: since you are having probs with fedora repos tonight, I am going to try one more time with gentoo. By the time that fails :), I hope the fedora/apt repos will be back up |
| [03:23:00] | _Nero_: | what ivtv is everyone running? |
| [03:24:00] | timekllr: | rumz hehe – lemme know if you get it :) |
| [03:25:00] | ** KarlosII ponders why this link doesn't work even though he has jre and j2sdk installed? http://speedtest.shaw.ca/ ** | |
| [03:25:00] | rumz: | I have a spare ATI card w/TVOUT laying around. Anybody can comment on strenghts/weaknesses compared to an NVIDIA Geforce 4 mx 440? |
| [03:25:00] | timekllr: | rumz never tried ati tv out – but read that the developement is not near what nvidia has |
| [03:26:00] | _Nero_: | rumz (again, this was almost a year and a half ago, so things may have changed) but I started with an ATI, and would rather bang my head on a concrete floor than try it again.. |
| [03:26:00] | _Nero_: | put in a GF4, and everything just worked (tm) |
| [03:26:00] | timekllr: | rumz and i believe (someone correct me) that hardware accel doesn't work |
| [03:26:00] | _Nero_: | timekllr- from my experience, "that hardware" doesnt work. |
| [03:27:00] | rumz: | thanks, i won't bother then. my nvidia is fine, just wondering |
| [03:27:00] | topping: | _Nero_: 0.3.2 (q) |
| [03:27:00] | topping: | but it looks like i need to upgrade |
| [03:27:00] | rumz: | i like nvidia cards better anyway. have ones at least 7 yrs old still running fine |
| [03:28:00] | CygnusX1: | I have had lots of darn fans die on nvidia cards though |
| [03:28:00] | rumz: | CygnusX1: really? hmm. I should check mine |
| [03:28:00] | _Nero_: | topping- thanks. I think I am way way back in the 0.1x drivers.. |
| [03:29:00] | _Nero_: | working fine thus far, so I am not going to touch it.. |
| [03:29:00] | topping: | anyone handy with gentoo ebuilds? |
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| [03:30:00] | rumz: | topping: not me, every time i change one, bad things happen. but i'm sure it's my fault |
| [03:30:00] | [Xander]: | my nvidia tvout is shifted down and right. is there an updated driver or something to fix that? |
| [03:30:00] | topping: | bummer.. one of them is cracked and i need it bad |
| [03:30:00] | rumz: | topping: what do you mean cracked? like pirated or broken? I can send you one if I have it |
| [03:31:00] | topping: | i want to fix it because i can see what is wrong, just don't know where to do it |
| [03:31:00] | topping: | 'emerge mythtvfrontend' is broken |
| [03:31:00] | topping: | erm, 'emerge mythfrontend' |
| [03:31:00] | [Xander]: | topping: i have had that problem on mythmusic. after a while they came out with a new build and I could then install |
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| [03:32:00] | rumz: | topping: in newer gentoo, whenever i try to change something (i.e. comment something) emerge complains that the size of the ebuild is incorrect and refuses to use it. i'm sure there is a switch to tell it to ignore that. |
| [03:32:00] | topping: | yah, but this is for my xbox! my silky new xbox! patience is not a virtue in this case!!! :-) |
| [03:32:00] | [Xander]: | you have to update the checksum after changed |
| [03:32:00] | [Xander]: | emerge digest is the command |
| [03:32:00] | topping: | it's not that, it's something about the environment or something |
| [03:32:00] | rumz: | Xander: oh, never thought of that. good advice. thanks |
| [03:33:00] | _Nero_: | [Xander]- I needed to use overscan on my nvidia tv out.. then used the x-y settings in myth to center the myth images. |
| [03:33:00] | topping: | the thing unpacks, it just starts looking in the wrong directory to do the build |
| [03:33:00] | [Xander]: | i thought overscan was broken? are you using an older driver? |
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| [03:33:00] | rumz: | have you tried using nvidia-settings? |
| [03:33:00] | _Nero_: | Xander- older driver. |
| [03:33:00] | [Xander]: | ahh |
| [03:33:00] | _Nero_: | they broke overscan AGAIN?? |
| [03:33:00] | lavid: | nero, it doesn't work for me |
| [03:33:00] | _Nero_: | ugh.. sometimes I am real glad I dont upgrade. |
| [03:33:00] | topping: | /var/tmp/portage/mythfrontend-0.18/work/mythfrontend-0.18 when it should be /var/tmp/portage/mythfrontend-0.18/work/mythtv-0.18: |
| [03:33:00] | rumz: | topping: i have not had much luck with gentoo myth ebuilds. i do the deps with emerge, then build myth from sources or CVS |
| [03:33:00] | [Xander]: | i thought it was broken STILL (since they broke it the first time) |
| [03:34:00] | _Nero_: | Xander- it was fixed about 6–8 months ago. |
| [03:34:00] | topping: | rumz: that's a good idea... how do i do that? |
| [03:34:00] | _Nero_: | at least for 1 or 2 versions. |
| [03:34:00] | [Xander]: | hmmm |
| [03:34:00] | [Xander]: | i should try it again then... |
| [03:34:00] | [Xander]: | (never bothered to try with the newest version) |
| [03:34:00] | _Nero_: | hold on.. lemme see if I can dig up a version number for ya. |
| [03:35:00] | rumz: | topping: just look in the myth docs for the deps you want, emerge them (maybe one by one) and then get the sources and build them following the instructions in the mythtv docs |
| [03:35:00] | topping: | ah ok.. didn't know if there was some wiggy command that did them |
| [03:35:00] | _Nero_: | looks like I am using 6111 |
| [03:35:00] | [Xander]: | i'm running a purely emerged system (amd64) with no 'wiggy' hacks. |
| [03:35:00] | [Xander]: | _Nero_: how to see that? |
| [03:35:00] | rumz: | topping: there might be something like 'emerge --deps mythtv' or something that will just get the dependencies. let me check |
| [03:36:00] | _Nero_: | Xander- just looked at the old install script I had in my mythtv home dir.. ;) |
| [03:36:00] | [Xander]: | emerge --update --deep world is my best friend |
| [03:36:00] | Cromz: | http://ec.transcendusa.com/product/ItemDetail . . . p;indexnum=4 this is nifty.. for a frontend machine ;) |
| [03:36:00] | [Xander]: | _Nero_: Ahh... i dont have that. I guess i could do emerge -s nvidia to see what i have |
| [03:37:00] | [Xander]: | 7174 i think |
| [03:37:00] | topping: | rumz: '-o' |
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| [03:38:00] | _Nero_: | Xander- 6111 does overscan for me (GF4 440mx), and seems to run just fine. |
| [03:38:00] | _Nero_: | so you might want to give it a whirl |
| [03:38:00] | rumz: | topping: just saw that too :) |
| [03:39:00] | [Xander]: | i will have to back out the one i'm using (just wish my IQ was in the triple digits so i could do that!) |
| [03:39:00] | _Nero_: | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-6111.html |
| [03:39:00] | topping: | well, it seems happy enough on the deps, i guess i'll just give it a whirl |
| [03:40:00] | rumz: | Xander: i had the same problem. when i used the install from nvidia, it removed the old stuff for me. |
| [03:40:00] | [Xander]: | will try the old version later... thanks for the info. |
| [03:40:00] | _Nero_: | np |
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| [03:41:00] | [Xander]: | now if only i could get the snaps/pops out of my spdif! :) |
| [03:41:00] | [Xander]: | ne1 seen good docs for the pvr150 install? |
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| [03:41:00] | _Nero_: | Xander- onboard spdif? |
| [03:41:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: What card do you recommend that I get for my TV output? |
| [03:41:00] | rumz: | Xander: i was looking for different errors, but I saw a lot about clicks and stuff with spdif on the mailing-list archives |
| [03:41:00] | _Nero_: | lithi- I like the GF4 440mx- cheap, looks good, and gets the job done. |
| [03:42:00] | rumz: | Lithi: I also have that same card with no problems (GF$ 440mx) |
| [03:42:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: What kind of output does it produce? Svideo? |
| [03:42:00] | rumz: | GF$ = GF4 |
| [03:42:00] | _Nero_: | Lithi- SVideo |
| [03:44:00] | [Xander]: | _Nero_: yup via a dongle |
| [03:45:00] | [Xander]: | VIA AC97 |
| [03:45:00] | _Nero_: | Xander- My mobo was completely useless with spdif, or regular audio out. I switched to an old Sblaster that had spdif, and it worked great. |
| [03:46:00] | [Xander]: | unfortunately i want to use all my pci's for tuner cards :( or was that :) |
| [03:47:00] | _Nero_: | hehe.. Well, your best bet might be looking at a new mobo, if the one you have is causing problems (it could be something else, but I know there have been complaints about onboard sound/pops/etc..) |
| [03:47:00] | Lithi: | So hows this setup.. Hauppauge PVR-250, GF4 440mx, SB Value 5.1, and 2x Segate 200GB 7,200rpm 8mb cache HD's raid 0. |
| [03:48:00] | [Xander]: | aurghhh i bought this one specifically for this project |
| [03:49:00] | [Xander]: | Gigabyte amd64 mobo with onboard sound/nic sata raid controller |
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| [03:50:00] | [Xander]: | off to storm the castle... thanks for all the tips! |
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| [03:50:00] | _Nero_: | Xander- dont quote me on it, if it is a quality mobo (I know nothing about that one) it may be fine |
| [03:51:00] | _Nero_: | Lithi- that sounds like a prefectly good setup. |
| [03:51:00] | _Nero_: | very similar to what I am running. |
| [03:51:00] | _Nero_: | though, instead of doing hardware raid, you might want to considder doing LVM, as you can then easily add drives as needed. |
| [03:52:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: Thats a good idea |
| [03:54:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: Because all the encoding is on the hardware side would a amd duron 1200 and 256mb sd ram be good enough? |
| [03:55:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: It's an old computer lying around begging to be put to good use. |
| [03:55:00] | _Nero_: | Lithi- well, you can get processors pretty cheap now-a-days, and transcoding (to take up less space) and commercial flagging are pretty precessor intensive. |
| [03:55:00] | rumz: | I might be wrong, (I am using LVW without RAID) but I think there is a way to use LVM in tandem with a RAID array |
| [03:56:00] | _Nero_: | humm.. in that case, I would think a duron 1200 and 256megs of ram, would work. |
| [03:56:00] | timekllr: | rumz you can |
| [03:56:00] | _Nero_: | I am running a 2.4ghz P4, and 512megs of ram, and I barely use any processor. |
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| [04:01:00] | Lithi: | _Nero_: Ok thanks for all your help |
| [04:01:00] | _Nero_: | No problem Lithi- best of luck getting it all up and running! |
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| [04:04:00] | topping: | Lithi: i would look at getting a derated P4M setup |
| [04:04:00] | topping: | they are really low heat, so low noise needed to cool |
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| [04:06:00] | topping: | some of the case/mobo combos have nice heat wick setups that get the processor heat out to the case fan more directly |
| [04:06:00] | topping: | and don't need a processor fan at all |
| [04:06:00] | Lithi: | Well I dont want to have to buy a mobo and processer really. I could donate my desktop p4 2.66ghz system to the cause.. which I might do cause I really only use my laptop now |
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| [04:07:00] | topping: | ah ic |
| [04:09:00] | Lithi: | Then again I could build a cheap socket a system |
| [04:09:00] | Lithi: | or p4m |
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| [04:27:00] | mik3: | why does rtjpeg look better than mpeg4 on my setup? i had thought it would be the other way around |
| [04:28:00] | mik3: | with mpeg4 the motion is not smooth, and the colors more muted – i've tried it with bitrates all the way up to 6600 |
| [04:29:00] | Igg-man: | mik3: Is this from something you recorded, or watching live? |
| [04:29:00] | mik3: | watching live |
| [04:29:00] | Igg-man: | It might be that your processor is not fast enough to encode mpeg on the fly, but rtjpeg works better |
| [04:29:00] | Igg-man: | I think I read that rtjpeg uses more disk access, and mpeg uses more CPU |
| [04:30:00] | mik3: | ah, does the compression auto-adapt to fit withiin cpu? is that how the minimum and maximum quality values work? |
| [04:30:00] | Igg-man: | Hmm.... not sure, I wouldn't expect it to |
| [04:30:00] | mik3: | my backend is not beefy – dual 500 p3s |
| [04:30:00] | Igg-man: | there might be a min/max setting that would affect that |
| [04:31:00] | Igg-man: | I think I have better luck using mpeg then rtjpeg, but then again, when I was testing I forgot to enable DMA on the HDDs |
| [04:31:00] | Igg-man: | oops |
| [04:31:00] | mik3: | yeah that makes a difference for sure |
| [04:31:00] | Igg-man: | An unbeliveable difference, went from not workable to working good |
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| [04:32:00] | Igg-man: | I thought it might have been the soundcard causing it, so I ended up with a brand new soundcard |
| [04:32:00] | Igg-man: | it sucks, it doesn't support sample rates of less then 48000khz |
| [04:32:00] | Igg-man: | but it goes all the way to up 96khz |
| [04:33:00] | mik3: | i'm using an isa pnp awe64 ;) |
| [04:33:00] | mud: | im trying to run mythfilldatabase so i can run the backend its not connecting. do i need a subscription with datadirect? |
| [04:34:00] | Igg-man: | Yep |
| [04:34:00] | Igg-man: | its free though, there is a magic code you need to enter in that can be found in the documentation |
| [04:34:00] | Igg-man: | so is the registration URL |
| [04:34:00] | Igg-man: | mik3: I wish I had ISA slots :-) |
| [04:34:00] | Igg-man: | got lots of good ISA cards |
| [04:34:00] | mud: | thx |
| [04:35:00] | Igg-man: | well, I have 'a' good ISA card. Gravis Ultrasound, but it only has 256k of memory |
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| [04:35:00] | mik3: | yeah i cobbled together a frontend and backend out of some old stuff... working better than i had expected |
| [04:39:00] | Igg-man: | I'm so tempted to dump my replaytv and go buy a pvr250 card (or similar) |
| [04:39:00] | Igg-man: | I'm sure if I bought one, my soon-to-be roomate would buy one too |
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| [04:40:00] | Igg-man: | we could record two at the same time |
| [04:40:00] | Igg-man: | I just finished setting up a mythtv box for my brother |
| [04:40:00] | Igg-man: | I wish I didn't go with the CVS version, I'd like to see knoppmyth work with it, the backend is too new |
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| [04:48:00] | mik3: | if i left-arrow back in time while watching live tv, how can i jump back to "now" |
| [04:48:00] | mik3: | ? |
| [04:53:00] | Ralph: | up/down arrow jumps 10mins (default, unless you changed it) forward or back |
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| [04:55:00] | Igg-man: | mik: right arrow? |
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| [05:05:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm anyone know how i can get myth to figure out that my recordings are 16:9, not 4:3? |
| [05:05:00] | Agrajag-: | well im not sure if the recording is correct, but after it gets transcoded, it's definately not correct |
| [05:05:00] | Agrajag-: | when i watch the recording in myth, it looks fine. it's the same as if i change aspect ratio to 16:9 |
| [05:06:00] | Agrajag-: | but when i try to use nuvexport or something, it thinks the ratio is 4:3 |
| [05:06:00] | Agrajag-: | (nuvinfo says 4:3 too) |
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| [05:07:00] | mud: | i finally got a tv picture on mythtv (whew) took all day to get that one installed |
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| [05:36:00] | topping: | Agrajag-: i think you can adjust the transcoder profile for the size you want |
| [05:37:00] | Agrajag-: | but then why does the transcoded one look fine when i watch it in myth? |
| [05:38:00] | Agrajag-: | (if i have aspect ratio on None, it looks the same as 16:9) |
| [05:38:00] | topping: | i think i told you everything i know about the subject ;-) |
| [05:39:00] | Agrajag-: | heh ok thanks anyway |
| [05:39:00] | Agrajag-: | you can change the size.. not aspect ratio |
| [05:39:00] | topping: | can't you change the h size differently from the v size? |
| [05:39:00] | topping: | (and hence the aspect?) |
| [05:39:00] | Agrajag-: | no, changing size is different from changing aspect |
| [05:40:00] | topping: | oh ok ic |
| [05:40:00] | mchou: | any you guys using mysql4+? |
| [05:41:00] | Agrajag-: | im using 4.0.24 |
| [05:42:00] | mchou: | Agrajag-: did you upgrade from mysql3+? |
| [05:42:00] | mchou: | or have you pretty much been using 4+ all along? |
| [05:43:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm i probably had 3 a while ago |
| [05:43:00] | mchou: | I'm about to do a DB upgrade and just wondering if there are any "gotchas" |
| [05:43:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm i dont think there is |
| [05:43:00] | Agrajag-: | i've just keep up to date with debian testing |
| [05:44:00] | Agrajag-: | not sure when it changed from 3 to 4.. but i didn't have to do anything special :P |
| [05:44:00] | mchou: | you use the mysqldump trick to save the DB, or did you not even bother? :) |
| [05:44:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah i do a mysqldump every week or so |
| [05:44:00] | mchou: | (i.e. just use the db dir) |
| [05:45:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah do a dump for sure |
| [05:45:00] | Agrajag-: | can't hurt :) |
| [05:45:00] | mchou: | yeah..... |
| [05:46:00] | mchou: | Agrajag-: remember any funky "grant privileges" stuff? |
| [05:47:00] | Agrajag-: | well im pretty sure the mysql table will get upgraded when you load it up (if it needs to be upgraded at all) |
| [05:47:00] | Agrajag-: | so you shouldn't have to change anything |
| [05:48:00] | mchou: | Agrajag-: just trying to be careful here is all :) |
| [05:48:00] | Agrajag-: | yep |
| [05:49:00] | mchou: | I think I'll upgarde db tomorrow. Too tired tonight..... |
| [05:49:00] | mchou: | upgrade* |
| [05:49:00] | mchou: | might screw it up..... |
| [05:49:00] | Agrajag-: | hehe |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | This has been a maraton myth weekend.... |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | upgrade OS. Install new pvr150(x2). Recompile myth on new OS. Upgrade DB.... |
| [05:51:00] | mchou: | make that Install new distro (instead of new OS) |
| [05:51:00] | Ralph: | mchou, my local CC didn't have any of the 150's in stock |
| [05:52:00] | mchou: | Ralph: lol. |
| [05:52:00] | mchou: | Ralph: that sux. |
| [05:52:00] | mchou: | there should be more than 1 CC near your house?? |
| [05:52:00] | Ralph: | IIRC the closest one was more than 1.5 hours away that had one in stock |
| [05:53:00] | Ralph: | I can't be arsed to drive that far for the card lol |
| [05:53:00] | mchou: | I've got 3 all in about 1/2 hr... |
| [05:53:00] | Ralph: | yeah there's at least 2 CC that I know of |
| [05:53:00] | mchou: | Ralph: man, you fool, order on line, local store pickup. |
| [05:53:00] | Ralph: | I'm in a major city and know of 2 of them |
| [05:53:00] | mchou: | now you missed the rebates. |
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| [05:54:00] | Ralph: | they'll go on sale again I'm sure |
| [05:54:00] | mchou: | Ralph: turns out the 500 comes w/ breakout bracket, so not a bad deal there after all. |
| [05:54:00] | Ralph: | the reason I didn't order online is I wanted to be sure the IR blaster was included |
| [05:54:00] | mchou: | but no remote/irblaster on 500 |
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| [05:54:00] | rpete: | are pvr150 around $60 at circuit city? |
| [05:54:00] | Ralph: | their website only said the remote |
| [05:55:00] | Ralph: | $99 now |
| [05:55:00] | mchou: | rpete: this past wk, yes. |
| [05:55:00] | mchou: | Ralph: I 99% sure 500 has no irblaster. |
| [05:55:00] | rpete: | that's a deal I would probably make to replace the 250, but maybe not at $99 |
| [05:55:00] | Ralph: | mine didn't come with one |
| [05:56:00] | Ralph: | nor did it come with the breakout bracket |
| [05:56:00] | mchou: | but both my 150 retail came with blasters :) |
| [05:56:00] | Ralph: | ship it my way lol |
| [05:57:00] | mchou: | Ralph: doubt it would do you any good. 500 has no jack for it I'm aware of. |
| [05:57:00] | mchou: | Ralph: is it on the breakout? |
| [05:57:00] | Ralph: | is what on the breakout |
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| [05:58:00] | mchou: | blaster plug jack. |
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| [05:58:00] | Ralph: | I don't know |
| [05:58:00] | Ralph: | I've never seen the breakout you're referring |
| [05:58:00] | mchou: | I thought you have a 500?? |
| [05:59:00] | Ralph: | I do |
| [05:59:00] | Ralph: | but no breakout bracket |
| [05:59:00] | mchou: | when and where did you get it? |
| [05:59:00] | Ralph: | mwave.com about 3 weeks ago or so |
| [05:59:00] | mchou: | ripped.... |
| [06:00:00] | mchou: | Ralph: http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/hardware.asp#av_cable |
| [06:01:00] | Ralph: | yeah I didn't get that |
| [06:02:00] | mchou: | Somebody on this channel who got one from amazon did....... |
| [06:02:00] | mchou: | a 500 that is..... |
| [06:02:00] | Ralph: | remember what they paid |
| [06:03:00] | mchou: | 140 all told (including shipping) |
| [06:03:00] | Ralph: | I actually have no use for that breakout box, I only need 1 input connection |
| [06:03:00] | Ralph: | mwave was the cheapest I found for 136+shipping |
| [06:03:00] | mchou: | I was eyeing the amazon deal for some time..... |
| [06:04:00] | mchou: | mwave would have been over 150 for me (incl. ship/taxes) |
| [06:04:00] | Ralph: | no taxes for me ;_ |
| [06:04:00] | mchou: | amazon was cheaper. |
| [06:04:00] | Ralph: | ;) |
| [06:04:00] | mchou: | I just didnt feel like waiting.... |
| [06:05:00] | mchou: | IR blaster was just too good a deal to pass up. |
| [06:05:00] | Ralph: | it doesn't mention anything there about a ir header |
| [06:05:00] | topping: | what's the part number again for the pvr-150 with remote? |
| [06:05:00] | topping: | 1042, right? |
| [06:05:00] | tuxristo: | hey mchou |
| [06:05:00] | mchou: | Ralph: exactly, which is why the irblaster wouldnt do ya any good. |
| [06:05:00] | mchou: | hey tuxristo |
| [06:05:00] | Ralph: | I meant on the breakout av cable |
| [06:05:00] | topping: | oh 1045 |
| [06:06:00] | tuxristo: | i killed the dead penguin! |
| [06:06:00] | mchou: | tuxristo: lol, you admit to the murder? :) |
| [06:06:00] | tuxristo: | took a little doing for the lilo image, the initsplash was easier |
| [06:06:00] | tuxristo: | yup, lol |
| [06:06:00] | mchou: | Ralph: that what I was referring to. |
| [06:06:00] | tuxristo: | http://irstudio.ucalgary.ca/download/mandriva . . . k.noarch.rpm |
| [06:07:00] | topping: | http://www.compuplus.com/insidepageNoLinks.php?id=1003550 |
| [06:08:00] | Ralph: | maxtor * 300GB |
| [06:08:00] | Ralph: | * 7200 RPM 16M Cache |
| [06:08:00] | Ralph: | * IDE Ultra ATA133 for $171 at newegg.com |
| [06:09:00] | mchou: | wow, that's a bit pricy....>$0.50/GB. |
| [06:09:00] | Ralph: | not too bad considering 16M cache |
| [06:09:00] | mchou: | plus it's crapstore |
| [06:09:00] | Ralph: | shit I love newegg |
| [06:09:00] | tuxristo: | mchou, just install the above rpm and reboot, it's that simple |
| [06:10:00] | dagar: | does the pvr 150 work with linux and myth? |
| [06:10:00] | mchou: | no, crapstore==maxtor |
| [06:10:00] | Ralph: | oh yeah I'm not a fan of maxtor |
| [06:10:00] | mchou: | dagar: works here. |
| [06:11:00] | Ralph: | on the 150 I see 2 coax inputs (cable,radio?) and svideo and the other one is that for the irblaster? |
| [06:11:00] | Ralph: | on the back of the card that is |
| [06:11:00] | mchou: | yeah, super tiny jack. |
| [06:11:00] | Ralph: | looks almost like a power jack |
| [06:12:00] | mchou: | nah, much smaller than even headphone jack. |
| [06:12:00] | dagar: | mchou: whats the difference between the 150 and the 250? |
| [06:12:00] | mchou: | price? :) |
| [06:12:00] | dagar: | no remote? |
| [06:12:00] | mchou: | dagar: 150 retail has remote and irblaster..... |
| [06:13:00] | mchou: | 150MCE does not. |
| [06:13:00] | topping: | but you can't use the irblaster yet anyway |
| [06:13:00] | mchou: | topping: that's a minor detail :) |
| [06:13:00] | topping: | :-) |
| [06:13:00] | topping: | i wish it worked! |
| [06:13:00] | mchou: | it will work soon :) |
| [06:13:00] | topping: | yah |
| [06:14:00] | topping: | mchou: did you snag a copy of the connexant datasheet for the 150 while it was floating around? |
| [06:14:00] | topping: | seems to be gone now |
| [06:14:00] | mchou: | hmm???? |
| [06:14:00] | mchou: | nope. |
| [06:14:00] | mchou: | Chris kennedy doesnt have it? |
| [06:14:00] | topping: | not sure |
| [06:15:00] | topping: | i saw it floating around and didn't save a copy |
| [06:15:00] | mchou: | topping: how deatiled was said data sheet? |
| [06:15:00] | topping: | seems to be hard to find now |
| [06:15:00] | mchou: | detailed* |
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| [06:15:00] | mchou: | like register level stuff? |
| [06:15:00] | topping: | it was the full-on programming manual |
| [06:15:00] | topping: | yah |
| [06:15:00] | mchou: | hmmm, nice. |
| [06:15:00] | topping: | could have been for a different chip, or maybe i was having a dream... |
| [06:16:00] | mchou: | goggle cache may be your firend :) |
| [06:16:00] | mchou: | friend* |
| [06:16:00] | topping: | but i don't read that many emails in my dreams usualy |
| [06:16:00] | topping: | usually* |
| [06:16:00] | topping: | ;-P |
| [06:16:00] | topping: | anyone knocked around http://mvpmc.sourceforge.net/idx.php?pg=main ? |
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| [06:18:00] | mchou: | I believe GreyFoxx might have.... |
| [06:19:00] | topping: | i'm building a xbox right now, but these seem ideal for areas that don't need a DVD reader |
| [06:19:00] | topping: | like bedrooms and whatnot |
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| [06:44:00] | rumz: | does anyone know why i wouldn't be able to remove /dev/lirc even as root? |
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| [07:13:00] | topping: | rumz: is lircd running? |
| [07:16:00] | Gumby: | can anyone tell me the best way to repopulate my listings? My listings are full but its showing all the wrong programs |
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| [07:17:00] | rumz: | topping: no |
| [07:17:00] | opello: | Gumby: mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv -e "DELETE FROM program" mythconverg && mythfilldatabase |
| [07:18:00] | Gumby: | opello: awesome thx |
| [07:18:00] | topping: | rumz: what does 'ls -l' say? |
| [07:18:00] | rumz: | topping: i found an article saying this is a problem with devfs and my exact version of lircd. i am looking at upgrading to udev now |
| [07:18:00] | topping: | ah right ok |
| [07:19:00] | rumz: | ls -l is ok except it says the file was created on april 11th, 1969!!!! |
| [07:19:00] | topping: | 69 was a good year |
| [07:19:00] | rumz: | do you run udev? |
| [07:19:00] | rumz: | lol |
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| [07:19:00] | topping: | yah on my fedora boxen |
| [07:19:00] | rumz: | and you like it? |
| [07:20:00] | topping: | relative to what? |
| [07:20:00] | topping: | it's better than a sharp stick in the eye |
| [07:20:00] | topping: | not quite as good as a warm beach |
| [07:21:00] | rumz: | haha i meant as compared to devfs |
| [07:21:00] | topping: | dunno never used devfs that i know of... i mean, maybe i have and didn't know it |
| [07:21:00] | rumz: | ok. i will go for upgrading to udev. thanks for your help. |
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| [07:22:00] | topping: | the last time i did linux before this was when cardbus support was brand new |
| [07:22:00] | rumz: | was that like the 2.0 series of kernels? that's when i got on board |
| [07:22:00] | topping: | probably 1.2.x |
| [07:23:00] | topping: | 1.3.x maybe |
| [07:23:00] | rumz: | ooch. |
| [07:23:00] | topping: | yah i guess the latter |
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| [07:23:00] | topping: | did freebsd and windoze in between |
| [07:23:00] | rumz: | i am almost at the point where i can kiss windoze goodbye, but not quite there yet |
| [07:24:00] | topping: | yah, i wish adobe had their stuff on linux |
| [07:24:00] | rumz: | i agree. gimp is good, but there is a lot to be desired. and i like the video editing/transcoding software for windows |
| [07:24:00] | topping: | i haven't figured out how to use wine tho |
| [07:25:00] | rumz: | i am getting there. i can use dvdshrink successfully, but that's about it. |
| [07:25:00] | rumz: | and of course the games! |
| [07:25:00] | topping: | i just did my first movie in premiere a few weeks back, it was fun! |
| [07:25:00] | rumz: | cool! |
| [07:26:00] | rumz: | now that everything is being ported from *nix to mac osx, do you know of or think the opposite will start to happen? |
| [07:26:00] | topping: | that the mac stuff goes to linux? |
| [07:27:00] | rumz: | at least maybe the stuff that is written for or after OSX |
| [07:27:00] | topping: | yah i thought about that too, but a friend brought up the point that carbon libs will not likely be ported |
| [07:27:00] | topping: | the pretty UI widgets and all |
| [07:28:00] | rumz: | the osx interface is really quite beautiful. |
| [07:28:00] | topping: | a lot of mac guys are super bonded to that look and feel |
| [07:28:00] | topping: | it is nice |
| [07:28:00] | topping: | i think he's right that a lot of stuff won't come over without those, and apple would probably pitch a fit if that ever happened |
| [07:29:00] | topping: | they think different over there you know ;-) |
| [07:30:00] | rumz: | it really shows. i was really impressed by my friends mac with osx. |
| [07:30:00] | topping: | most of the java developer conferences are like half osx laptops in the audience nowadays |
| [07:30:00] | rumz: | i used i think maybe os7 or something and i couldn't believe anybody liked it. |
| [07:31:00] | topping: | heh, i worked at apple back then |
| [07:31:00] | topping: | it was better than windows 3 tho |
| [07:31:00] | topping: | a lot better |
| [07:31:00] | rumz: | oops sorry. |
| [07:31:00] | topping: | hehe |
| [07:31:00] | rumz: | oh a ton. |
| [07:31:00] | topping: | no worries about that |
| [07:32:00] | topping: | they lost the war because gates was cheap |
| [07:32:00] | rumz: | i recently fixed a machine for someone with 3.1 on it and i couldn't believe that that was at one time considered advanced |
| [07:32:00] | topping: | you could tell in the differences in the campuses |
| [07:32:00] | topping: | even the food sucked at microsoft back then |
| [07:32:00] | rumz: | ha ha |
| [07:32:00] | topping: | apple was always living large on campus |
| [07:32:00] | topping: | i was on the ppc team back then |
| [07:33:00] | topping: | went to ms campus to help them with their office port |
| [07:33:00] | rumz: | developing the processors? or software? |
| [07:33:00] | topping: | "operating system" software |
| [07:33:00] | topping: | hehe |
| [07:33:00] | topping: | i was the memory manager tech lead when the thing shipped |
| [07:33:00] | rumz: | cool. what languages would you use |
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| [07:34:00] | topping: | c and assembler |
| [07:34:00] | rumz: | really. that's neat. i have been trying to learn some low-level c. my education didn't give me that. |
| [07:34:00] | mchou: | topping: you worked on vitural memory subsystem at apple? |
| [07:34:00] | topping: | not on vm |
| [07:34:00] | topping: | on the ppc "modern memory manager" |
| [07:34:00] | rumz: | they really pushed OOP on us and glossed over the low-leve stuff and it is biting me in the ass. |
| [07:34:00] | topping: | me and another guy did it |
| [07:35:00] | rumz: | that's pretty cool. |
| [07:35:00] | mchou: | topping: sorry, dont really know what that is :) |
| [07:35:00] | topping: | rumz: it's like learning how to to long division versus learning integrals |
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| [07:35:00] | rumz: | hmm. interesting analogy. |
| [07:35:00] | topping: | mchou: it was system 7.5 mods for PPC |
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| [07:36:00] | topping: | 6100/7100/8100 |
| [07:36:00] | enyc: | Urrrrrrrrm, Im gettingreally irritated with my dvb-card whatnot not working [so far as I can see] ;-(( |
| [07:36:00] | rumz: | topping: i got this book: Computer Systems: A Programmer's Perspective. i think it's pretty good. |
| [07:36:00] | enyc: | I can tune channels etc. — tzap to select channel; gets 'lock' etc. -- |
| [07:36:00] | enyc: | using a 'lr6550' card... |
| [07:36:00] | enyc: | but then I can't get any output cat'ing /dev/dvb/adapter0/ [anything in there] |
| [07:36:00] | mchou: | rumz: most places are extremely bad at teaching concepts. OOP is especially bad since the teachers dont even understand the concepts :) |
| [07:37:00] | topping: | rumz: if you want to learn that stuff, get a some high level hardware kits that they sell to college students and learn how to put everything together |
| [07:37:00] | topping: | with the compiler/assembler... it's a lot of work, but satisfying if you want that |
| [07:37:00] | rumz: | topping: i've never heard of that. I was straight CS in undergrad/grad. is that EE type stuff you are talking about? |
| [07:37:00] | mchou: | rumz: start with PIC microprocessor :) |
| [07:38:00] | topping: | mchou is right |
| [07:38:00] | rumz: | is it really expensive? |
| [07:38:00] | mchou: | rumz: which school? |
| [07:38:00] | mchou: | rumz: no cheap.... |
| [07:38:00] | topping: | $50? |
| [07:38:00] | mchou: | hell, no, more like $10. |
| [07:39:00] | mchou: | probably even less now. |
| [07:39:00] | topping: | yah, but that's just for the chip right? |
| [07:39:00] | rumz: | loyola: undergra/depaul: grad (not CS exactly, computer graphics) |
| [07:39:00] | rumz: | both in chicago |
| [07:39:00] | mchou: | a kit probably runs $25 now.... |
| [07:39:00] | topping: | wow, cool |
| [07:39:00] | mchou: | rumz: serves you right for going to jesuit school. |
| [07:40:00] | mchou: | :) |
| [07:40:00] | topping: | i got a couple of ubicom test sets |
| [07:40:00] | rumz: | haha. i did have a couple really great teachers at loyola with the OO stuff. |
| [07:40:00] | topping: | need to find a compiler for them, i'm too old and cranky to be bothered with assembler |
| [07:40:00] | topping: | hehe |
| [07:41:00] | rumz: | now, though, as i look for REAL programming jobs, i get these tests with a lot of weird (to me) C stuff that I never saw before |
| [07:41:00] | mchou: | rumz: OO is so useless. I can honestly say I've never made real use of it professionally. |
| [07:41:00] | mchou: | even myth is "flat" |
| [07:41:00] | rumz: | Well, I would assume it depends on the field you are in. |
| [07:41:00] | topping: | C++ is useless |
| [07:41:00] | topping: | java has some really good tools that make it very useful |
| [07:41:00] | rumz: | but java is sooooo slow |
| [07:41:00] | mchou: | java is a hog. |
| [07:42:00] | topping: | indeed that's the suck part |
| [07:42:00] | enyc: | vmmmmg |
| [07:42:00] | rumz: | i like the idas behind java and HOW you write code, but i just can't take the VM part |
| [07:42:00] | topping: | the same thing happened with pascal and pcode back in the 80's tho |
| [07:42:00] | rumz: | what is pcode? |
| [07:42:00] | rumz: | is that like bytecode for a pascal VM? |
| [07:42:00] | topping: | yes |
| [07:43:00] | topping: | it was created at UCSD originally |
| [07:43:00] | mchou: | pcode is back in windows (C#) |
| [07:43:00] | rumz: | hmm. is pascal always like that? i thought it was a compiled language |
| [07:43:00] | topping: | you could get compilers later on |
| [07:43:00] | rumz: | i am a young'un so i never dealt with pascal. |
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| [07:44:00] | mchou: | good programmers can program in any language. |
| [07:44:00] | topping: | it was a real language in comparison to fortran and cobol, not as quirky as apl |
| [07:44:00] | mchou: | lol, APL..... |
| [07:44:00] | rumz: | i know that. i just meant I have never seen it. |
| [07:44:00] | mchou: | I had to use that for math courses. |
| [07:44:00] | topping: | hehe, i never did get an opportunity to learn apl |
| [07:44:00] | topping: | or smalltalk |
| [07:45:00] | mchou: | learning APL in math was a trip...... |
| [07:45:00] | topping: | i bet! |
| [07:45:00] | rumz: | if C++ is so crummy, would you say smalltalk, or any OO language is? or just C++? |
| [07:45:00] | mchou: | but that's some bad shit. |
| [07:45:00] | topping: | c++ is a hack |
| [07:45:00] | topping: | i can't comment on smalltalk, but i hear it's quite a juice |
| [07:46:00] | topping: | similar issues to java with garbage collection iirc |
| [07:46:00] | rpete: | it's funny to hear that c++ is useless given all the software I use in which it is written |
| [07:46:00] | mchou: | rumz: if you're focusing on language you're focusing on the wrong thing...... |
| [07:46:00] | topping: | rpete: it's not useless... but it is transitional |
| [07:47:00] | topping: | it's good for people who know C |
| [07:47:00] | rumz: | mchou: i don't know you. I am just trying to chat with you and learn from you. no need to keep chastising everything i say. |
| [07:47:00] | topping: | but it's outlived it's day really. look what they've had to do to get namespaces and all that |
| [07:47:00] | rumz: | i am just asking questions to learn |
| [07:47:00] | mchou: | rumz: huh??? |
| [07:47:00] | topping: | rumz: he's not banging you |
| [07:47:00] | topping: | it's cool |
| [07:48:00] | topping: | mchou is very cool |
| [07:49:00] | topping: | blarg, almost 3am |
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| [07:50:00] | topping: | mchou: http://www.dlpdesign.com/usb/245sy.html is the part i've been playing with |
| [07:50:00] | topping: | i haven't really gotten started, but i have a couple of them |
| [07:50:00] | topping: | it's really pretty overpriced, but i can't do analog stuff |
| [07:50:00] | mchou: | hmm, nice. |
| [07:51:00] | topping: | takes power off the usb bus |
| [07:51:00] | mchou: | $85??? |
| [07:51:00] | mchou: | shit. |
| [07:51:00] | topping: | yah exactly |
| [07:51:00] | topping: | but schematics come with |
| [07:51:00] | topping: | so i figure if i saved myself days of hassle trying to get something working, it was worth the extra $60 |
| [07:52:00] | mchou: | yeah...... |
| [07:52:00] | mchou: | mouser is generally expensive too..... |
| [07:52:00] | topping: | he's a nice guy as well – part of the cost is he'll answer questions |
| [07:53:00] | topping: | i need to get a breadboard setup tho |
| [07:53:00] | mchou: | really?? I thought mouse is a big outfit..... |
| [07:53:00] | mchou: | mouser* |
| [07:53:00] | topping: | ah, that's just his distribution channel |
| [07:53:00] | mchou: | ok, I hear ya. |
| [07:54:00] | topping: | you know what i am really itching to do is get a toyota prius and start jacking into the CAN busses it has |
| [07:54:00] | topping: | iirc, it has three or four of them with routers in between |
| [07:54:00] | topping: | it's all drive by wire |
| [07:54:00] | mchou: | write a Playstion 2 gamepad to USB converter :) |
| [07:54:00] | topping: | totally |
| [07:54:00] | topping: | PSP |
| [07:55:00] | topping: | put a 802.11 receiver in the trunk |
| [07:55:00] | mchou: | yeah, I wouldnt mind getting a prius..... |
| [07:55:00] | topping: | a friend was saying this new ZigBee stuff is really awesome |
| [07:55:00] | mchou: | a friend of mine ordered one and got delivery in 3 months. |
| [07:55:00] | topping: | super cheap, and has antennae on the chip |
| [07:56:00] | topping: | did he get the full nav system? |
| [07:56:00] | mchou: | topping: not sure really (she) |
| [07:56:00] | topping: | aye |
| [07:56:00] | topping: | the integrated nav display is really schweet |
| [07:57:00] | topping: | i am so itching to hack it |
| [07:57:00] | mchou: | lol.... |
| [07:57:00] | mchou: | just dont drain the battery :) |
| [07:57:00] | topping: | sell little frobs that plug into the trunk |
| [07:57:00] | topping: | heeh |
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| [07:58:00] | topping: | there is a company in cali that is doing mods on them to do 10–20 miles in town electric-only |
| [07:58:00] | kormoc is now known as kormoc|afk | |
| [07:58:00] | topping: | so you have the ZEV of electric and gas when you need to go far |
| [07:58:00] | mchou: | year, think I heard bout that on NPR. |
| [07:58:00] | mchou: | yeah* |
| [08:00:00] | topping: | mchou: are you west coast? |
| [08:00:00] | mchou: | yeah, in CA |
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| [08:01:00] | topping: | south or north? |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | Silicon Valley. |
| [08:01:00] | topping: | fun |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | where all the geeks are :) |
| [08:01:00] | topping: | hehe |
| [08:01:00] | tuxristo: | mmmm prius |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | and no women to speak of :) |
| [08:01:00] | topping: | i'm hoping to get back out there soon, but probably LA this time |
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| [08:02:00] | topping: | (because there are more women, since you mention it) |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | topping: I heard LA is more expensive than Bay Area to live in now..... |
| [08:02:00] | topping: | really? dang |
| [08:03:00] | topping: | it was pretty expensive, seemed like nyc to some degree |
| [08:03:00] | mchou: | LA is just one big parking lot :) |
| [08:03:00] | topping: | yah it's true |
| [08:03:00] | mchou: | topping: I grew up in NYC :) |
| [08:03:00] | topping: | oh yah that's right |
| [08:03:00] | topping: | i forgot how we got started on that conversation |
| [08:04:00] | topping: | us lily-white boys |
| [08:04:00] | mchou: | yeah, asian ladies and gringos :) |
| [08:04:00] | topping: | hehe |
| [08:04:00] | mchou: | ugly asian ladies :) |
| [08:04:00] | topping: | i had to do a second take after that conversation actually |
| [08:04:00] | topping: | hehe |
| [08:05:00] | mchou: | hmm?? why? you dont trust my tastes? :) |
| [08:05:00] | topping: | "your confidence is overwhelming" |
| [08:05:00] | mchou: | lol :) |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | well, I admit to being rather judgmental :) |
| [08:06:00] | topping: | have you played Jade Empire? |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | but having grown up in NYC, I'm sure you understand :) |
| [08:06:00] | topping: | i was bored out of my skull the other night and went and picked up a copy |
| [08:06:00] | topping: | yah totally! |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | I dont even know what that is..... |
| [08:06:00] | topping: | xbox game |
| [08:07:00] | topping: | i have all these xboxen around right now |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | lol, havent got an xbox :) |
| [08:07:00] | topping: | and living in this cornfield of a town |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | IL, right? |
| [08:07:00] | topping: | ohio |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | ugh, even worse. Red state. |
| [08:07:00] | topping: | at least illinois has chicago |
| [08:07:00] | topping: | yah exactly |
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| [08:08:00] | topping: | this place suxors |
| [08:08:00] | mchou: | how can you stand all those evangelicals and conservatives? :) |
| [08:08:00] | topping: | i was supposed to be in tokyo five months ago |
| [08:08:00] | topping: | i thought it was going to be a very short stay |
| [08:08:00] | topping: | stupid me, i should have skipped the last class for the diploma and stayed there |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | lol. Instead now..... |
| [08:09:00] | topping: | i think about guns |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | oohh, bad boy! |
| [08:09:00] | topping: | (not seriously for anyone that doesn't know me) |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | at least you arent thinking dyno :) |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [08:10:00] | topping: | dude, i gotta get out of here |
| [08:10:00] | topping: | this place is a freaking mess |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | come back to apple..... |
| [08:10:00] | topping: | it really is like the twilight zone |
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| [08:10:00] | topping: | nyc was too dirty for me |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | I can only imagine...... |
| [08:10:00] | topping: | i had a lot of fun |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | nono, apple cupertino. |
| [08:10:00] | topping: | ahhhh |
| [08:11:00] | topping: | hmm |
| [08:11:00] | topping: | it's a little late |
| [08:11:00] | topping: | if i had done that before, maybe |
| [08:11:00] | mchou: | there is an apple campus in NYC???? |
| [08:11:00] | topping: | nooo |
| [08:11:00] | topping: | i thought you meant "[big] apple" |
| [08:11:00] | mchou: | ah, ok.... |
| [08:12:00] | mchou: | wonder what apple has for it's next hat trick :) |
| [08:12:00] | topping: | ipod video man!!! |
| [08:12:00] | topping: | it's the shit! |
| [08:12:00] | mchou: | ipod was cool.... |
| [08:12:00] | topping: | hahaha |
| [08:12:00] | topping: | operative word: was |
| [08:12:00] | mchou: | I'm no sure video makes sense for ipod. |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | not* |
| [08:13:00] | topping: | it makes sense for cellphones on multicast channels |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | was only because ipods are overpriced and competition is undercutting it. |
| [08:14:00] | topping: | that's apple |
| [08:14:00] | topping: | apple's repeating hat trick |
| [08:14:00] | mchou: | exactly :) |
| [08:14:00] | topping: | why a big bunch of us left when we did |
| [08:14:00] | mchou: | topping: lol, I knew an apple guy who got pink slip 3x from apple |
| [08:14:00] | mchou: | apple revolving door :) |
| [08:15:00] | topping: | yah they are numerous |
| [08:15:00] | topping: | probably a contractor that got promoted to vice president (or vis a vis) |
| [08:15:00] | mchou: | I told him, you didnt get hint the 2nd time?? |
| [08:15:00] | topping: | haaa |
| [08:16:00] | mchou: | I dunno man. |
| [08:17:00] | mchou: | topping: seriously, what are you working on in OH? |
| [08:17:00] | topping: | seriously: getting out of here.. looking for a place to land |
| [08:17:00] | topping: | trying to get out west again |
| [08:17:00] | mchou: | aside from the USB kit :) |
| [08:17:00] | topping: | the east coast was fun, but it was really just a vacation while the tech lull blew over |
| [08:18:00] | mchou: | topping: yeah, what's your ideal job? |
| [08:18:00] | topping: | http://www.dentaku.org is what i've been working on |
| [08:18:00] | mchou: | lol, you ought to go work for oracle :) |
| [08:19:00] | topping: | i contracted there for a while |
| [08:19:00] | topping: | is that where you are? |
| [08:19:00] | mchou: | I'm at Intel :) |
| [08:19:00] | topping: | ah cool |
| [08:19:00] | topping: | that's a good place |
| [08:19:00] | mchou: | it's OK. |
| [08:19:00] | topping: | glass ceiling and all |
| [08:19:00] | topping: | but not whimsical |
| [08:19:00] | mchou: | haha :) |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | where, oracle or intel :) |
| [08:20:00] | topping: | intel |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | what's oracle like? |
| [08:21:00] | topping: | oracle had a ceiling as well, but it was less regimented and if you had enough of a rolodex you could get shit done |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | place is a lil surreal for my tastes. |
| [08:21:00] | topping: | it seemed to be to be somewhat classist |
| [08:21:00] | topping: | yah, larry is a funny guy |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | cliquish..... |
| [08:21:00] | topping: | i don't know him mind you |
| [08:21:00] | topping: | yes |
| [08:22:00] | topping: | there's the people with a window and the people without |
| [08:22:00] | mchou: | yeah, ppl with windows have it nice. No window means you're drone :) |
| [08:22:00] | topping: | not a lot of communication that's not on power point slides |
| [08:23:00] | topping: | well, the other issue is the edifice-like configuration of the working spaces |
| [08:23:00] | topping: | you don't really get to work with people except in very small clusters |
| [08:24:00] | mchou: | I went in oracle a couple of times and was completely turned off..... |
| [08:24:00] | topping: | it's all a celebration of this pointy cylindrical object... |
| [08:24:00] | topping: | if you know what i mean |
| [08:24:00] | mchou: | the center of building are like dungeons. Window offices are the trappings of royalty :) |
| [08:25:00] | topping: | there are a lot of good people there though |
| [08:25:00] | topping: | it's half and half |
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| [08:25:00] | topping: | the ones that are good are really down to earth and friendly |
| [08:26:00] | mchou: | well, that describes good ppl everywhere :) |
| [08:26:00] | topping: | it's just more polarized there along departmental lines it seemed |
| [08:26:00] | topping: | marketing v. engineering |
| [08:26:00] | topping: | the two groups hardly knew each other it seemed |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | bah, you probably find that everywhere. |
| [08:27:00] | topping: | apple seemed to have a stronger mix of the groups really |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | could be. |
| [08:27:00] | topping: | i never saw marketing people around engineering |
| [08:27:00] | topping: | never never never at oracle |
| [08:28:00] | mchou: | at intel both groups know each other so well we constantly fight :) |
| [08:28:00] | topping: | heh, yah, that's totally a tradeoff of it |
| [08:28:00] | topping: | ellison runs oracle as an oligarchy to head that off |
| [08:28:00] | topping: | and that's why it's grown how it has |
| [08:28:00] | topping: | democracies turn into what you are describing |
| [08:29:00] | mchou: | topping: exactly. |
| [08:29:00] | mchou: | anyway, ellison is too mecurial for my tastes. |
| [08:29:00] | mchou: | mercurial* |
| [08:30:00] | mchou: | guy gets to zealous and religious at the same time. |
| [08:30:00] | mchou: | too* |
| [08:30:00] | topping: | he's funny. i've never met him, seen him in the foyer a couple times |
| [08:30:00] | topping: | very intense |
| [08:31:00] | topping: | but that's how he built that empire |
| [08:31:00] | topping: | intel was built on incredible intellect |
| [08:31:00] | mchou: | (I wasnt around when that happened, ha) |
| [08:31:00] | topping: | what oracle was built on was all documented in the journals |
| [08:31:00] | topping: | i wasn't either, but you can just see it |
| [08:32:00] | mchou: | I'd hardly call intel ppl "intellectual" |
| [08:32:00] | topping: | no, but methodical with intellect is very appropos it seems |
| [08:32:00] | mchou: | practical, but not intellectual :) |
| [08:32:00] | topping: | hehe |
| [08:33:00] | topping: | i know very little about it |
| [08:33:00] | mchou: | what intel does have is very good business process. |
| [08:33:00] | topping: | i knew one guy that was in engineering at the time |
| [08:33:00] | mchou: | secret of its sucess. |
| [08:33:00] | mchou: | success* |
| [08:34:00] | mchou: | yeah, and? |
| [08:34:00] | topping: | i dunno, just as you describe i guess. i mean, you could tell he was more of a thinker than a tweaker |
| [08:35:00] | topping: | but that lack of freedom has a cost for innovation i guess |
| [08:35:00] | topping: | (mental freedom) |
| [08:35:00] | topping: | apple had some guys at IBM austin when the PPC was being developed |
| [08:36:00] | topping: | they came back to cupertino and were talking at a divisional meeting once |
| [08:36:00] | topping: | it was funny |
| [08:36:00] | topping: | one of them was talking about the drug tests they had to take |
| [08:36:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [08:36:00] | topping: | he apparently told them "oh, you mean you are making sure we did drugs? of course i am going to pass, we got tested for that back in california already!" |
| [08:36:00] | topping: | hehe |
| [08:36:00] | mchou: | pee in a cup? |
| [08:37:00] | topping: | not sure, it was something like that |
| [08:37:00] | topping: | the culture clash was supposed to be legend, but it was all handled in stride and it was supposed to be an amazing time |
| [08:37:00] | mchou: | Intel, HP, all have pre-employment drug screenings. |
| [08:37:00] | mchou: | does apple? |
| [08:38:00] | topping: | my cards at apple had the title of "speed freak" |
| [08:38:00] | mchou: | I guess not, eh? |
| [08:38:00] | topping: | yah |
| [08:38:00] | topping: | i didn't even know what a speed freak was at the time |
| [08:38:00] | topping: | i just liked fast cars and worked on performance |
| [08:39:00] | topping: | it was funny |
| [08:39:00] | topping: | we had a really good time there |
| [08:39:00] | mchou: | some manager at apple tried to recruit me to work on tcp stack......this was a long time ago..... |
| [08:39:00] | mchou: | I told him I didn't know shit about TCP :) |
| [08:39:00] | topping: | did he get more interested? |
| [08:40:00] | mchou: | yup :) |
| [08:40:00] | topping: | hehe |
| [08:40:00] | topping: | his last name start with a 'V' ? |
| [08:40:00] | mchou: | dont remember, really..... |
| [08:40:00] | mchou: | this was in apples "dark" days..... |
| [08:40:00] | topping: | probably was him |
| [08:41:00] | topping: | or the guy that took the job over from him maybe more likely |
| [08:41:00] | topping: | the guy i am thinking about was good, i think he was an old bell labs guy |
| [08:41:00] | topping: | one of the A/UX gius |
| [08:41:00] | mchou: | I think this was when jobs just came back from Next/Pixar, dont remember |
| [08:41:00] | topping: | suys |
| [08:42:00] | topping: | guys |
| [08:42:00] | topping: | yah that makes perfect sense |
| [08:42:00] | topping: | dang man, i gotta get some zz |
| [08:42:00] | mchou: | yeah, ame here.... |
| [08:42:00] | mchou: | later. |
| [08:43:00] | topping: | fun chatting, they'll have an eyeful in the morning hehe |
| [08:43:00] | mchou: | yeah.... |
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| [13:16:00] | phon: | hello, anyone knows what i can do about an "Invalid module format" error ? |
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| [13:54:00] | Marlor: | Hi guys, can anyone answer some questions of mine regarding DVB and Myth? |
| [13:55:00] | Dibblah: | Ask. |
| [13:57:00] | Marlor: | Does Myth convert the incoming MPEG-2 stream to MPEG-4 or RTJpeg when watching Live TV? |
| [13:57:00] | Marlor: | It looks like that is what is happening on my setup, so I'm wondering if I have a problem somewhere. |
| [13:57:00] | Agrajag-: | how do you figure that's happening? |
| [13:57:00] | Agrajag-: | do you have the "use hardware encoding" (or similar) box checked in the card setup? |
| [13:58:00] | Agrajag-: | (in the advanced part of the dvb card config) |
| [13:59:00] | Marlor: | When looking at the "Hardware DVB Encoders" options in the Recording profiles, my only options are MPEG-4 and RTJpeg. |
| [13:59:00] | Marlor: | ...I'll check the card setup now |
| [13:59:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah not them.. in the mythtv-setup |
| [14:00:00] | Agrajag-: | i just started watching live tv |
| [14:00:00] | Agrajag-: | and ran nuvinfo on the ringbuf nuvs |
| [14:00:00] | Agrajag-: | they're mpeg2 |
| [14:01:00] | Marlor: | I just checked the card setup in mythtv-setup, and it doesn't have an option for "use hardware encoding" or anything similar (with 0.17) as far as I can see. I'll run nuvinfo now... |
| [14:02:00] | Agrajag-: | ah. im using .18, i think that option isn't there in .17 |
| [14:02:00] | Agrajag-: | but when i was using .17 im pretty sure my livetvs were mpeg2 |
| [14:03:00] | laga: | people are always complaing that the information about mythtv is spread all over the net. what if one would create a search engine that just indexed those websites? |
| [14:04:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm i think searching the list archives brings up pretty much all the info you need that isn't in the docs |
| [14:05:00] | laga: | Agrajag-: mythtv.info? mythtvtalk.com? mythtv-xbox.org? |
| [14:05:00] | Agrajag-: | no not them.. the mythtv-users archive |
| [14:05:00] | Agrajag-: | i dont know why people decided to make those sites, seems pretty stupid to me |
| [14:06:00] | laga: | Agrajag-: FYI, mythtv.info will soon be an official part of mythtv.org ;) |
| [14:07:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah for mythtv.info, fair enough |
| [14:07:00] | Marlor: | Anyway... my slow net connection is downloading mplayer (which I need for nuvinfo to work) now, so I'll be able to get a bit more info on my issue in a few minutes. |
| [14:10:00] | Agrajag-: | nuvinfo requires mplayer? |
| [14:10:00] | Agrajag-: | oh yeah looks liek it does |
| [14:11:00] | Marlor: | It claims so... I've got a fresh Ubuntu installation, so I have nothing much installed right now. |
| [14:11:00] | Marlor: | I had a nice MythTV setup going using a digital set-top-box and an analog tuner card, but I decided to simplify things by getting an internal DVB tuner, and I'm having nothing but troubles now :( |
| [14:11:00] | Marlor: | Unfortunately I decided to change distros at the same time, which complicated things further. |
| [14:13:00] | Marlor: | OK, the live TV is MPEG2... so that's one issue out of the way (although I still don't understand why the Hardware DVB Encoders menu only lists RTJpeg and MPEG-4). |
| [14:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | If things worked all the time it would be no fun :) |
| [14:13:00] | Agrajag-: | Marlor: they dont get used |
| [14:13:00] | Agrajag-: | what's your other issues? :) |
| [14:15:00] | Marlor: | OK, on my old setup, I deinterlaced the video when recording. This way, my Mac mini could serve as a nice frontend (the OS X build of MythTV chokes a bit when deinterlacing or zooming on playback). With the DVB card, I can't see a way to deinterlace on the server-side. |
| [14:17:00] | Marlor: | The Mac mini (and to a smaller extent, the XBox) have issues when deinterlacing during playback. I believe the problem on the Mac mini is due to the OS X build being a bit unoptimized at this stage. The CPU usage jumps >3x when deinterlacing or zooming. Just setting the overscan to a few percent is enough to make the video choppy. |
| [14:18:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm i didn't know there was ever an option to deinterlace a recording |
| [14:19:00] | Agrajag-: | how did you achieve that in your old setup? |
| [14:19:00] | Marlor: | It's in the channel config (my filters field used to be set to kerneldeint,crop=0:0:1:0). |
| [14:21:00] | Marlor: | I'd set the filters while recording in mythtv-setup, since the recording is done on a reasonably powerful machine, while the playback boxes are a bit underpowered. Plus, it makes more sense to deinterlace once, rather than every time you play a recording. |
| [14:21:00] | Agrajag-: | yep |
| [14:21:00] | Agrajag-: | so you can't put that into the channel config nwo? |
| [14:23:00] | Marlor: | Well, I was hoping I could, but the MPEG2 stream from the DVB card is recorded straight to disk, so there is no way to deinterlace it (I've only just found this out, so I may be wrong). |
| [14:24:00] | Marlor: | I was hoping I could somehow transcode it, and apply filters then, because doing it on the frontend side really isn't feasible with my current setup. |
| [14:25:00] | Agrajag-: | hmm.. have you tried setting those channel filters? |
| [14:25:00] | laga: | it wont work. |
| [14:26:00] | mjr: | I'm apparently suffering from the same bug as below using Ubuntu's multiverse 0.17 version (non-CVS, which is the one that worked for the other guy); is there a fix? |
| [14:26:00] | mjr: | http://www.pvrguide.no-ip.com/bbs-old/viewtopic.php?t=21183 |
| [14:26:00] | Marlor: | Yeah, I've tried. Then I recompiledand tried again. Then I sent some emails to the mythtv-users list and found out *why* it wouldn't work. Now I'm trying to find a workaround. |
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| [14:31:00] | Marlor: | The root of my problem is really the fact that the OS X build is slow at deinterlacing and zooming during playback, so I might try to attack the problem from that angle (i.e. download 0.18, compile it, and see if it helps). However, I still think it makes more sense to de-interlace on the server-side, so I'd appreciate any help with achieving that. |
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| [14:40:00] | ikaro: | mojn |
| [14:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | Marlor: You wont see the ability to deinterlace on the backend anytime soon, not without some massive changes that are not worth the effort |
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| [14:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | Holy shit: -rw------- 1 root root 76314709880 2005-04–25 10:49 mythconverg-db-backups.sql |
| [14:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | a 76GIG Mysql dump of my myth database |
| [14:51:00] | laga: | pipe it thru bzip2 ;) |
| [14:51:00] | laga: | gig? omfg. |
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| [14:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | It filled the partition |
| [14:51:00] | Marlor: | OK GreyFoxx... I guess the best bet is to just wait for optimizations to the OS X frontend then. It would be nice to be able to deinterlace while transcoding, though. |
| [14:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | Marlor: Well depending on how you do transcoding you can deinterlace. I always deinterlace when I transcode a file from one of my mpeg2 recordings to a mpeg4 I've decided to keep around |
| [14:53:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: can mythtranscode deinterlace? |
| [14:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | No idea, I don't use it |
| [14:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | I do all of my transcoding manually :) |
| [14:53:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [14:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | Man, I wonder wtf happened with that dump |
| [14:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | damn thing caused myth to clean out the recordings I had no there |
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| [14:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | Luckily all I had on it was a couple of small half hour shows I don't care about missing |
| [14:55:00] | laga: | reminds me that i have to buy new hard disks. |
| [14:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hrm, I triggered the same crontab to dump it again and this time it was 25 megs, bah |
| [14:59:00] | ** GreyFoxx disables auto deletion when low on diskspace ** | |
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| [15:01:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: have fun. |
| [15:01:00] | phon: | hello, anyone knows of a good mp3 serving utility with a web interface for linux ? |
| [15:02:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: i havent enabled this feature, and mythbackend usually fills up my / then which leads to crashed mysql tables. |
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| [15:11:00] | Spida: | hi laga |
| [15:11:00] | Spida: | phon: apache? |
| [15:12:00] | Spida: | phon: bossogg? |
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| [15:14:00] | phon: | spida: thx, bossogg seems cool , i'll try it |
| [15:15:00] | Spida: | phon: there is(was, atleast) #bossogg |
| [15:18:00] | phon: | i noticed it on the webpage |
| [15:18:00] | Spida: | ok |
| [15:18:00] | phon: | unfornutately bossogg isn't what i'm looking for |
| [15:18:00] | phon: | it plays the music on the server where the music resides |
| [15:19:00] | phon: | i want my linux server to hold all my music and play it remotely on the other desktop computer and laptops |
| [15:19:00] | Spida: | last time I tried it, importing mp3s with special characters (umlauts äöü...) in their id3 tags was broken |
| [15:19:00] | phon: | so kinda the other way around |
| [15:19:00] | Spida: | phon: do you want to play the music on the machine that stores it (on the server), or on the clients? |
| [15:20:00] | phon: | on the clients |
| [15:21:00] | Spida: | hm. bossogg was inteded to play on the server, and be remotecontrolled by the client |
| [15:21:00] | Spida: | but each machine can be a server *g* |
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| [15:21:00] | phon: | i'm using edna right now |
| [15:21:00] | phon: | it does the job |
| [15:21:00] | phon: | but it's kinda light and not very customizable |
| [15:22:00] | phon: | so i was wondering whether there were any good subsitutes |
| [15:25:00] | Spida: | there are |
| [15:26:00] | Spida: | for jukeboxes, playing on the server-side, there were 5 projects, when I last searched |
| [15:26:00] | Spida: | for jukeboxes playing on the client (streaming or something) there are >> 20 projects |
| [15:26:00] | phon: | and where can i find them ? |
| [15:27:00] | phon: | google search doesn't give much results |
| [15:27:00] | phon: | i also found andromeda but it's not free |
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| [15:32:00] | Spida: | phon: sourceforge |
| [15:33:00] | Spida: | freshmeat |
| [15:33:00] | ff: | anybody could answer vdr question over here ? or tell me what is the best soft to use with a dvb-s card and disceq dish with linux ? |
| [15:36:00] | levon: | dunno about diseq w/ myth, but myth is probably the best out there |
| [15:39:00] | ff: | levon, could it be used to display on tv ? |
| [15:40:00] | levon: | sure |
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| [15:41:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | hi – ive just tried to compile mythtv from source on ubuntu, it failed on /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmp3lame |
| [15:41:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | ive apt-getted lame, but that didn't help – any idea's? |
| [15:41:00] | levon: | did you get lame afterwards? (after configuring, etc?) |
| [15:41:00] | levon: | then you'd probably need to reconfigure it |
| [15:42:00] | levon: | also make sure you installed the lame-dev package |
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| [15:42:00] | ff: | levon, i am sorry i am real newbie... mythtv.. looks like some stuff to administer configuration files through database.. vdr storage .. and mplayer / xine.. etc .. display ? |
| [15:42:00] | levon: | hum? |
| [15:43:00] | levon: | it's a complete solution |
| [15:43:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | i reconfigured it afterwards |
| [15:43:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | i'l try lame-dev – thanks |
| [15:43:00] | levon: | np |
| [15:44:00] | ff: | levon, levon complete means mythtv depends on vdr.. and other for diplay ? |
| [15:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | ff: Mythtv has nothing to do with vdr |
| [15:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythtv is an independant pvr which does not use another app for recordings |
| [15:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | Mythtv can recording and playback recorded programs, and you can also use mplayer or xine for playing back other video material |
| [15:46:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, looks like vdr, isn't it ? |
| [15:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | ff: similar ideas, but they are not the same thing |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | Myth doesn't interact with vdr or use it in anyway |
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| [15:48:00] | ff: | all right.. what kind of commands should i launch to see any channel with mythtv.. or to see it working properly, actually with vdr.. i had to give command in 1 screen and see result in the other other.. changing channels was a really bad idea :) |
| [15:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | ff: You have to configure mythtv to use your dvb card, and then scan for the channels. After that is done you can just use mythfrontend and choose TV |
| [15:50:00] | ** ff btw i was reluctant to use mythtv at first, because of mysql database :-/ not really the one i would prefer ** | |
| [15:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | MySQL is more that sufficient for this purpose :) But feel free to add code to support other databases. I'm sure some people would like the choice :) |
| [16:00:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | im still getting /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmp3lame after installing liblame-dev (or something like that) |
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| [16:02:00] | ff: | Super_Cat_Frog, ldconfig -a |
| [16:08:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | ldconfig: invalid option — a |
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| [16:12:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | i did sudo ldconfig and now im getting /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm |
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| [16:17:00] | ff: | Super_Cat_Frog, is all right.. you cann get many "cannot find" from ldconfig.. this is other issues... mainly because you installed deinstalled libraries.. |
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| [16:18:00] | ff: | Super_Cat_Frog, but something like ldconfig -a | grep lame .. your libraries should appear correctly |
| [16:18:00] | ff: | Super_Cat_Frog, that means they are on the path |
| [16:18:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | ok |
| [16:19:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | well i found lXxf86vm in apt, so i installed that and it seems to be going ok now |
| [16:19:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | what does ldconfig do? i thought the environment $PATH variable defined the path |
| [16:19:00] | ff: | Super_Cat_Frog, if those libraries are there, it might be the same kind of problem with lame issues.. it should know the correct path to find lame... either configure --lame=////... etc |
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| [16:20:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | its alrite, its working now |
| [16:20:00] | ff: | Super_Cat_Frog, PATH and LDPATH is not the same.. all those ld / lib are libraries and not reall program.. |
| [16:21:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | oh ye |
| [16:21:00] | ff: | Super_Cat_Frog, most program nowadays needs libraries.. and their path are setup differently so that programmers / people could try some other library release if they wish to |
| [16:22:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | ye i no, i just forgot $PATH doesn't cover libs |
| [16:23:00] | ff: | Super_Cat_Frog, happily, otherwise if once you mess up.. with it.. and libc is not accessible any more..:) you see how bad it could go :) |
| [16:24:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | huh? |
| [16:24:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | did you start that sentance in the middle of a sentence? my gf does that some times |
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| [16:26:00] | laga: | ff: are you Super_Cat_Frog's GF? |
| [16:26:00] | ff: | Super_Cat_Frog, .. i mean you can mess up .. with PATH.. but with LDPATH.. is a really really bad idea.. than your system is unusable.. |
| [16:27:00] | ff: | laga, with a bear :) |
| [16:27:00] | ff: | :)) |
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| [16:27:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | ah |
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| [17:09:00] | ff: | mythtv cannot connect.. :( to backend server.. |
| [17:16:00] | hadeees: | ff, is it running? |
| [17:16:00] | hadeees: | run mythbackend in non daemon mode, just on the command line |
| [17:16:00] | hadeees: | and see what happens when you start up the frontend and try to connect |
| [17:16:00] | ff: | hadeees, tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5511/mysqld |
| [17:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | That is MySQL, not mythbackend |
| [17:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythfrontend connects to both |
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| [17:18:00] | hadees: | ff, i don't think mythfrontend tries to connect to the backend untill it needs something like watching live tv or looking at recordings |
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| [17:19:00] | ff: | QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| [17:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | ff: Is something else bound to port 6543 ? |
| [17:20:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, no |
| [17:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | Is that error coming from mythfrontend or mythbackend ? |
| [17:22:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, was from backend.. |
| [17:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | and netstat -antu | grep 6543 returns nothing ? |
| [17:23:00] | ff: | hadees, i don't know frontend started.. but i couldnt stop it easily.. i had to kill it |
| [17:23:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, nothing |
| [17:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | And you have already run the mythtv setup application to ensure that it is set to bind to an IP that is available on your box ? |
| [17:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | Actually I think it might just grab port 6543 regardless of IP's on the interfaces |
| [17:25:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, it was 6543 and 6544 i changed it to 3306 |
| [17:26:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, but same problem |
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| [17:27:00] | ff: | IP is localhost .so it's ok for me |
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| [17:35:00] | ff: | i went back to 6543 and 6544 .. but nothing is bound to those ports :/ |
| [17:36:00] | topping: | hmm, adding a new myth client, connects to database fine, can't find any themes... entry for "Theme" is in database and there is a corresponding theme directory in /usr/share/mythtv/themes. any ideas? |
| [17:38:00] | ff: | mythtv says to modify Master server settings.. |
| [17:38:00] | topping: | i had this problem on another myth frontend when i upgraded it to 0.18, it kept saying this until i was able to find a theme that loaded and could set the theme from the UI |
| [17:39:00] | topping: | i guess the default theme is 'blue', but that's not in my themes directory |
| [17:39:00] | topping: | maybe i missed something on the install? |
| [17:39:00] | laga: | topping: there is now a separate tarball for the themes. |
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| [17:40:00] | topping: | hmm, ok, let me look around and see what i missed, thanks! |
| [17:41:00] | laga: | no problem. you can easily download it at www.mythtv.org |
| [17:41:00] | ** ff bored ... vdr .. didn't work / mythtv same.. still mplayer dvb:// and xine ... linux fun.. ** | |
| [17:42:00] | laga: | ff: stop crying, start fixing. ;) |
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| [17:43:00] | topping: | aha, the theme directory by default is /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes |
| [17:44:00] | ff: | laga, a week now, with vdr, it still looks wierd.. mythtv looks better.. but then mysql.. i should take some rest, one way or another.. but what about those 200 euros left in the machine (nexus card) for nothing really appealing |
| [17:44:00] | laga: | a full featured card? |
| [17:45:00] | ff: | laga, yes |
| [17:45:00] | laga: | hehe. you dont need these with mythtv. |
| [17:45:00] | ff: | laga hu ? i suppose it's better if you have it.. |
| [17:46:00] | laga: | ff: it won't hurt. but mythtv doesn't support its tv-out. |
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| [17:46:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v xris | |
| [17:46:00] | ff: | laga, :)))) |
| [17:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yay, my backend as home is seeing the dxr3 again. Damn IRQ conflicts |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | coool |
| [17:47:00] | ff: | laga, so if mythtv doesn't support it's tv-out.. this card is no good for mythtv :) |
| [17:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | ff: Only for recordings :) |
| [17:47:00] | laga: | yep ;) |
| [17:47:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, acpi.. |
| [17:47:00] | laga: | we have better approaches to tv.out. |
| [17:47:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, share irq on kernel menuconfig |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | lunc time |
| [17:48:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, or remove and change by hand.. through bios.. but ---worst case--- |
| [17:48:00] | mik3: | greyfoxx what does the dxr3 do for you with myth? |
| [17:48:00] | ff: | laga, tell me ! my tongue will fall on desk |
| [17:49:00] | laga: | ff: any normal graphics card with tv-out. |
| [17:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | ff: It was conflicting with another card in my system, I had planned on removing that card anyway, so I removed it this morning before coming to work and now I can use the dxr3 again |
| [17:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | mik3: It's not supported under myth. |
| [17:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | the dxr3 is basically an mpeg1/2 hardware decoder with tvout |
| [17:50:00] | mik3: | ok that's what i thought.... i use mine solely for a coaxial digital audio out |
| [17:50:00] | ff: | laga, i have a tv-out through geforce |
| [17:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use to use one of them for a lowpoweredfrontend with some custome myth hacks |
| [17:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I replaced that with a mediamvp |
| [17:50:00] | laga: | ff: great. |
| [17:50:00] | ff: | laga, it worked with X |
| [17:50:00] | topping: | this is my first detached frontend... do i need to run mythtvsetup on the client as well? |
| [17:50:00] | Spida_ is now known as Spida | |
| [17:51:00] | laga: | ff: you're all set up ;) |
| [17:51:00] | laga: | brb. gotta take care of real life. *polishes the rifle* |
| [17:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | topping: I believe so, make sure it points to the right location for the backend. Then you should be good to go |
| [17:51:00] | topping: | k |
| [17:52:00] | topping: | my first xbox!! :-) |
| [17:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [17:52:00] | mik3: | i don't have a tuner card, just a capture card. i just want to be able to schedule recordings manually, but there's no channel info cuz there's no tuner. |
| [17:52:00] | laga: | topping: there is an forum at www.mythtv-xbox.org |
| [17:52:00] | ff: | well gonna go.. otherwise my 56k internet account, may explode.. No adsl over here |
| [17:52:00] | mik3: | how do i set myth so it can record? |
| [17:52:00] | laga: | or something like that |
| [17:52:00] | laga: | ff: you have no adsl in france? ;) |
| [17:53:00] | topping: | oh very cool thanks laga |
| [17:53:00] | laga: | topping: just saw it in the morning, they dont get much traffic yet. |
| [17:53:00] | ff: | laga, yes, but not where i leave.. |
| [17:53:00] | ff: | laga, small village of a 100 people |
| [17:53:00] | laga: | ff: hehe ;) |
| [17:53:00] | laga: | that sucks |
| [17:53:00] | laga: | c'est la vie ;) |
| [17:53:00] | ff: | laga, pretty much.. |
| [17:54:00] | ff: | laga, pas facile 'not easy' :) |
| [17:54:00] | laga: | ff: j' appris un peu de francais dans l'ecole ;) |
| [17:54:00] | ff: | laga, where do you come from ? how do you know french ? |
| [17:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've forgotten all of my french from school :( |
| [17:55:00] | laga: | ff: germany. to be more specific, the "saarland", it's like 10 minutes to the border ;) |
| [17:55:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: i'm working on it. ;) |
| [17:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | But I was able to get by in Brussels speaking to french speakers and reading signs and stuff |
| [17:55:00] | mik3: | i tried the manual schedule, but... well it doesn't do anything useful |
| [17:55:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, not much place to use french .. except.. for history and africa... |
| [17:55:00] | hadees: | i want to learn japanese |
| [17:56:00] | laga: | hadees: i'm pity. |
| [17:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | ff: Some parts of Canada use a lot of Frend, but most are English or Cantoneese |
| [17:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | French |
| [17:56:00] | ff: | i felt that german / french / english / italian / spanish.. romanian are pretty close |
| [17:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | They are |
| [17:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can usually figure them out when they are written |
| [17:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's just hard when people speak since they talk fast and pronounce things differently |
| [17:57:00] | hadees: | GreyFoxx, also English is a very slow lang compaired to others |
| [17:58:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, yes :) and all the people here.. knows many words from those languages.. like every word which end with 'tion' mainly alll the same.. |
| [17:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | hadees: Yeah. Apparently locally we tend to speak quite fast. I've been told on many business trips to the US that the people from here talk fast |
| [17:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | we usually have to intentionally slow it down |
| [17:59:00] | ff: | laga, nice countryside in germany... :) |
| [17:59:00] | ff: | GreyFoxx, you mean in england ? |
| [18:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | Nova Scotia, Canada |
| [18:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have to slow down my speech everytime I go to the US |
| [18:00:00] | topping: | GreyFoxx: what's that all aboot? |
| [18:01:00] | topping: | :) |
| [18:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | Heh |
| [18:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | Oot and aboot |
| [18:03:00] | ** ff wish you the best, thanks to you all 'laga for hope", "GreyFoxx for advices', and many others i forgot, by for now ;-) ** | |
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| [18:08:00] | mik3: | what is "input connections" – it shows up just as a blank box with the words "input connections" at the upper left |
| [18:10:00] | laga: | ffgood wine and cheese in france ;) |
| [18:10:00] | laga: | damn. |
| [18:10:00] | Beirdo: | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7587767/ |
| [18:10:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [18:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | mik3: That is where you configure myth to see the capture card |
| [18:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | and video sources is where you configure it on how to get the listings, which you then tie to the input connection so that myth knows what listings/channels apply to which capture card/interface |
| [18:14:00] | mik3: | right that was my impression... but i can't add an input connection |
| [18:14:00] | mik3: | i have the video source and the capture card set up fine |
| [18:22:00] | mik3: | yeah input connections is broken. i'll try emptying the database maybe |
| [18:24:00] | topping: | so on this new frontend, in the "Host Address Backend Setup", it says 'IP address for <local machine name>" — is that the ip address of the frontend machine and why doesn't it know this from the system libraries? |
| [18:25:00] | topping: | ahh, this is for when configuring a real backend, sorry |
| [18:25:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you gonna identify yourself in those pics? |
| [18:25:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:26:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, sure :) |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:27:00] | kormoc: | second page, the guy in the grey cloak is myself |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | nice going on pic #17 :) |
| [18:28:00] | kormoc: | hehe, yeah, I really nailed that one :) |
| [18:28:00] | kormoc: | erm |
| [18:28:00] | kormoc: | no, that's not me :) |
| [18:28:00] | kormoc: | or wait |
| [18:28:00] | kormoc: | they are numbered weird! |
| [18:28:00] | Beirdo: | 17 of 81 |
| [18:28:00] | Beirdo: | Spring_RPP_2005_021 is the URL |
| [18:29:00] | kormoc: | yeah, I typed in 17 and got twelve and was rather confused |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | what a great use of swill beer :) |
| [18:29:00] | kormoc: | yeah, it was one of the best games ever for camping :) |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | heh :) |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | I see xris didn't participate on camera... too busy taking pics? |
| [18:30:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [18:30:00] | kormoc: | he did a few then, but he kept his camera :) |
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| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | looks like you guys had a blast |
| [18:31:00] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [18:31:00] | kormoc: | it was a grand time |
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| [18:31:00] | Beirdo: | well, if I land a job out west, I may just come along next time :) |
| [18:31:00] | Beirdo: | although I'd be north of the border :) |
| [18:31:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:31:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [18:32:00] | kormoc: | well, it's not that far at all |
| [18:32:00] | Beirdo: | I know, it's just the border hassle :) |
| [18:32:00] | Beirdo: | so we shall see :) |
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| [18:33:00] | kormoc: | the first time I went across, I had Ariel with me, and she was a bit... drunk and talkative, got us searched twice :P |
| [18:33:00] | kormoc: | the second time I went with out her and didn't get searched at all |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | crossing the border and being talkative... not a good combo |
| [18:34:00] | kormoc: | + drunk redhead |
| [18:34:00] | Beirdo: | you guys sure had a mofo of a fire in there :) |
| [18:34:00] | Beirdo: | redhead good. |
| [18:34:00] | kormoc: | hehe, yeah, fire is good :) |
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| [18:35:00] | kormoc: | yeah, redhead is good too |
| [18:37:00] | Beirdo: | I spent all weekend doing virtual medieval stuff.. Mudding :) |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | am I to assume the redhead in question's the one attempting to spear the beer in those pictures? :) |
| [18:38:00] | kormoc: | heh, nice, you run one no? |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:38:00] | kormoc: | oh no, Ariel couldn't make it :P |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | and I play on a different one |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | that's too bad |
| [18:38:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | 27 of 81... hehe. gives a new meaning to "silver bullet" |
| [18:39:00] | Beirdo: | _032 in the URL |
| [18:40:00] | topping: | so i launch "Watch TV" and get an error "Unable to create AudioOutput" — does this sound familiar? i set up the sound to go to /dev/dsp and 'cat <junk> /dev/dsp' makes sound... |
| [18:41:00] | topping: | shoot rtfm sorry |
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| [18:43:00] | Beirdo: | Hmm, I need liquids |
| [18:44:00] | Beirdo: | internal application thereof |
| [18:44:00] | Beirdo: | BRB |
| [18:44:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [18:45:00] | topping: | xbox tv w00t! |
| [18:45:00] | topping: | it seems that it doesn't like me using internal volume controls |
| [18:45:00] | topping: | something about not being able to access /dev/mixer |
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| [18:52:00] | Beirdo: | mmm. Gatorade |
| [18:52:00] | slePP: | beirdo, you use the pastebin, yeh? |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | and a fine service it is :) |
| [18:53:00] | slePP: | http://pastebin.ca/makesub.php |
| [18:53:00] | slePP: | 'pastebin.ca – Make your Own Nuclear Sub!' |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | oh neat |
| [18:54:00] | topping: | that is pretty cool |
| [18:54:00] | slePP: | so far no one has gone for it, but hey.. eventually maybe :> |
| [18:54:00] | slePP: | i need to clean up the list of info on that page to be a bit more concise, but yeh.. i've setup 4 in the past for people, figured i might's well just make a form of it |
| [18:55:00] | ** slePP can also do other names for it instead of just subdomains, but that takes some manual setup :> ** | |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | heheh. |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | there |
| [18:56:00] | ** slePP sees :> ** | |
| [18:57:00] | laga: | heya slePP |
| [18:57:00] | laga: | did you get my message? |
| [18:57:00] | ** slePP nods. yeh ** | |
| [18:57:00] | slePP: | still think you'll get the chance? |
| [18:59:00] | slePP: | Beirdo: the DNS reload time is a bit too slow, i think. i should force it to reload instead of waiting for its next DNS cycle, which is only every 5 minutes.. |
| [18:59:00] | laga: | slePP: well, probably. i just need to find the time ;). but it shouldn't be much work, so i guess i'll be able to do within the next month or so ;) |
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| [18:59:00] | AlexJ: | how do i install mythtv on fc2? |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | slePP: it should be OK |
| [19:00:00] | laga: | AlexJ: www.wilsonet.com |
| [19:00:00] | slePP: | laga: hehe. ok |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | muhahaha |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | it worked |
| [19:01:00] | slePP: | so it did :> |
| [19:01:00] | slePP: | strange quirk in the archives. if there are _no_ posts, it just takes you to the main page. add 1 post, and it says 'not enough posts to archive' |
| [19:03:00] | laga: | slePP: i guess it could even start to work tonight, when i watch tv. we'll see ;) |
| [19:03:00] | slePP: | Beirdo: upcoming changes will let the admin/owner of the bin go in and setup CSS, etc. |
| [19:03:00] | slePP: | laga: hehe. ok |
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| [19:04:00] | mechtn: | hey |
| [19:04:00] | mechtn: | how do i determine what happague card it is that i have |
| [19:05:00] | slePP: | check it's model number and look it up on their website |
| [19:05:00] | slePP: | ? |
| [19:05:00] | mechtn: | doesnt have a model number on it.. |
| [19:05:00] | mechtn: | hehe |
| [19:05:00] | mechtn: | odd huh ? :) |
| [19:05:00] | slePP: | nothing like model 1084? |
| [19:05:00] | slePP: | hmm |
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| [19:05:00] | slePP: | then by appearance :> |
| [19:06:00] | slePP: | pvr-350 has two s-video type headers on it, pvr-150mce has 3 RCA jacks, S-Video and two cable inputs.. |
| [19:06:00] | slePP: | :> |
| [19:06:00] | mechtn: | let me look at it again |
| [19:07:00] | mechtn: | i thought there might be some way from the driver that loaded for it |
| [19:08:00] | topping: | anyone on have mythfrontend working on gentoox / xbox? can you tell me how you have frontend audio configured? |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | fuckin Bell |
| [19:09:00] | topping: | trying to find the correct mixer device |
| [19:09:00] | ** Beirdo pays a $300 phone bill ** | |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | buttholes |
| [19:09:00] | topping: | vonage? |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | Bell Canada |
| [19:09:00] | topping: | have you thought of using vonage tho? |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [19:10:00] | xris: | lol |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | I use VoIP already :) |
| [19:10:00] | topping: | heh, ok |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | but I need to get Bell to trim down my crappy services |
| [19:10:00] | topping: | ah ic |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | it's just nuts |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | two phone lines, etc |
| [19:11:00] | topping: | i just assumed with a $300 bill you couldn't possibly have voip yet |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | well, that was 3 months worth, they somehow didn't take the last two pre-approved payments |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | I hate Bell :) |
| [19:11:00] | xris: | for those who wanted to see the pics that were being discussed earlier, this is what kormoc and I did this weekend: http://vanir-lag.org/gallery/Spring-RPP-2005 |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | if there's a way to fuck it up, Bell Canada will find it |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | still $100CDN/month sucketh |
| [19:13:00] | topping: | yah really |
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| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | which is why after work, I'm going to the nearest Phonecentre and getting them to toss many many services |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | I want: touch tone (which they still charge for) and CallerID with name |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | that is ALL |
| [19:14:00] | topping: | any company that can afford a xxxCentre is ripping off it's customers |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | Bell Canada's frigging huge, they've been fleecing us for decades |
| [19:16:00] | topping: | dammit someone had this question here three weeks ago, said they fixed it, and didn't say how |
| [19:16:00] | slePP: | dmesg? |
| [19:17:00] | slePP: | man that sucked... |
| [19:17:00] | slePP: | but i didn't lose any connections. yay |
| [19:17:00] | topping: | nice... good call. ALSA ../../alsa-kernel/pci/ac97/ac97_codec.c:1767: AC'97 0 access is not valid [0x0], removing mixer. |
| [19:18:00] | slePP: | Beirdo: you're not using your pastebin very efficiently! :> |
| [19:18:00] | slePP: | Total posts: 0 |
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| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | Jeez, I just made it :) |
| [19:18:00] | slePP: | hehe |
| [19:19:00] | slePP: | you think i should let people modify _any_ of the CSS? or just colours'n'stuff |
| [19:19:00] | slePP: | cuz the entire thing is CSS driven.. you could in theory modify the page layout pretty well with just changing css |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | colours are likely safest for a start |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | xris would be a good candidate for CSS advice :) |
| [19:19:00] | ** slePP can't wait for the first purple on green w/ yellow highlights pastebin that has lots of <blink> in it ** | |
| [19:19:00] | Baylink: | After that last update? You bet |
| [19:20:00] | slePP: | 'My PHPz0R P4sTb1n!' |
| [19:20:00] | xris: | I would? ;) |
| [19:20:00] | slePP: | apparently, yes. :> |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | yes you would :) |
| [19:20:00] | ** slePP points at beirdo. it's all his fault for volunteering you to the uninformed public ** | |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:21:00] | xris: | slePP: <blink> is disabled in every major browser now. |
| [19:21:00] | xris: | has been for years. |
| [19:21:00] | Baylink: | Nope. |
| [19:21:00] | Baylink: | FireFox displays it. |
| [19:21:00] | slePP: | xris: but is like font-style: blink? :> |
| [19:21:00] | xris: | Baylink: really? dumb of them. |
| [19:21:00] | ** slePP notes that he has one lingering, pain in the arse bug with IE... ** | |
| [19:21:00] | kormoc: | mozilla displays blink |
| [19:21:00] | Baylink: | If it didn't, Schroedingers Cat would have to choose... |
| [19:21:00] | xris: | about:config -> browser.blink_allowed |
| [19:21:00] | xris: | thought they disabled it. |
| [19:22:00] | xris: | maybe someone re-enabled it somewhere. |
| [19:22:00] | Baylink: | I might be lying. |
| [19:22:00] | slePP: | my default is enabled |
| [19:22:00] | slePP: | maybe they got lots of e-mails from geocities members saying 'my webpage broke in your new version!!' |
| [19:22:00] | xris: | could be |
| [19:22:00] | Baylink: | Nope, it's enabled here, too. |
| [19:22:00] | ** xris likes galeon ** | |
| [19:23:00] | slePP: | and then just thought 'let the dumbies be dumb, and let the people who care turn it off' |
| [19:23:00] | xris: | Baylink: I meant someone on the dev team |
| [19:23:00] | ** slePP likes lynx.. not links.. links is annoying. lynx is cool, though ** | |
| [19:23:00] | xris: | heh |
| [19:23:00] | ** xris has both installed. ** | |
| [19:23:00] | xris: | I use links more often for text browsing, though. |
| [19:23:00] | slePP: | actually, links is verynice.. but most web pages are miserably designed and so their "table layout" looks like junk in links |
| [19:23:00] | Baylink: | Nope: they've inadvertantly removed the tag from the best example of it's usage I'd ever seen: http://www.dpsinfo.com/dps/snames.html#schroedinger |
| [19:24:00] | xris: | they all look like junk in text-based browsers |
| [19:24:00] | slePP: | pastebin.ca lokos pretty normal :> |
| [19:24:00] | slePP: | so does netmonks.ca |
| [19:25:00] | slePP: | Baylink: where was the blink? |
| [19:25:00] | slePP: | oooooh :> |
| [19:25:00] | ** slePP grins ** | |
| [19:25:00] | slePP: | (took a bit for it to kick in why it'd fit there.. :) |
| [19:26:00] | Baylink: | Around "Not". :-) |
| [19:26:00] | slePP: | yeh :> |
| [19:27:00] | Baylink: | I've submitted a request to get it put back. |
| [19:29:00] | laga: | slePP: i'm very sorry, but i cant access your email now – i haven't gotten around to setting up imap yet ;). could you please resent it, if you still have it in your sent folder? |
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| [19:29:00] | Beirdo: | OK, someone wanna beer me? |
| [19:30:00] | ** slePP gives beirdo beer? ** | |
| [19:30:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:30:00] | slePP: | laga: sure... what wsa the e-mail? |
| [19:30:00] | laga: | slePP: laga@laga.ath.cx |
| [19:30:00] | laga: | beer. good idea. |
| [19:30:00] | Beirdo: | laga@laga.is-silly.org ? |
| [19:30:00] | slePP: | oh look, that was easy :> |
| [19:30:00] | slePP: | done |
| [19:31:00] | ** slePP assumes you're still on gentoo ** | |
| [19:31:00] | ** Beirdo stifles a laugh ** | |
| [19:31:00] | laga: | slePP: yep. |
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| [19:32:00] | laga: | slePP: got it. thank you. |
| [19:34:00] | defaultro: | hi laga |
| [19:34:00] | defaultro: | are you good in electrical? |
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| [19:34:00] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [19:34:00] | laga: | i'm good at short-circuiting things. |
| [19:34:00] | Beirdo: | I received a fax :) |
| [19:34:00] | defaultro: | what about you Beirdo? |
| [19:34:00] | Beirdo: | my eticket |
| [19:34:00] | defaultro: | ok laga |
| [19:35:00] | defaultro: | i have a single way on off switch |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | defaultro: what about what? |
| [19:35:00] | defaultro: | i want to remove it and cap it |
| [19:35:00] | defaultro: | it's going to work right? |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [19:35:00] | defaultro: | laga? |
| [19:35:00] | laga: | i dunno. |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | this ain't #electricians |
| [19:35:00] | defaultro: | :) ok |
| [19:35:00] | laga: | the part about short circuits was more like a joke. ;) |
| [19:35:00] | defaultro: | np |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | slePP: incoming faxes workin great |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | Received: 2005:04:23 04:00:59 |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:37:00] | Beirdo: | look when I booked my Aeroplan-funded flight :) |
| [19:38:00] | slePP: | cool :> |
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| [19:38:00] | slePP: | k. be back in about 10 minutes |
| [19:38:00] | laga: | i wonder if nptl does any good for a workstation system. |
| [19:38:00] | Beirdo: | YYZ -> BNA :) |
| [19:38:00] | slePP: | laga: it does wonders :> |
| [19:38:00] | ** slePP found his box runs smoother now ** | |
| [19:38:00] | ** slePP goes ** | |
| [19:38:00] | laga: | cool. |
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| [19:41:00] | Beirdo: | you guys breaking the work network again? |
| [19:41:00] | Baylink: | defaultro, you wanna do *what*? |
| [19:42:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, someone is, it's just sorta nutty |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | I think he wants to use the 120V for sexual gratification, Baylink |
| [19:42:00] | ** Baylink chuckles, loudly. ** | |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:43:00] | Beirdo: | I hate airport taxes |
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| [19:47:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v xris | |
| [19:48:00] | riksta: | sup |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | ugh blah |
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| [19:49:00] | shodan: | what happens to mythbackend/mythfrontend if the sql database goes down for 2 to 5 minute ? |
| [19:50:00] | xris: | shodan: dunno. they probably stop working. |
| [19:50:00] | xris: | and then continue when mysql comes back up |
| [19:50:00] | shodan: | k |
| [19:50:00] | ** Beirdo grumbles about mythweb killing the backend ** | |
| [19:50:00] | xris: | Beirdo: then help me fix the problem. |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | we need to get pixmap generation unborked |
| [19:51:00] | xris: | very |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | this is obnoxious :) |
| [19:51:00] | riksta: | my backend is using about 80% cpu |
| [19:51:00] | riksta: | since 0.18 |
| [19:52:00] | Beirdo: | xris: well, if I can catch a good coredump with the problem, I might be able to help fix it |
| [19:52:00] | shodan: | mm , I guess it's about time I switch to .18 |
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| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | of course, I'd have to not be on the phone all night :) |
| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:53:00] | Spida: | Beirdo: you got that problem, too? |
| [19:53:00] | kormoc: | who doesn't? :P |
| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | I don't consider it a problem, but yes |
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| [19:53:00] | Spida: | Beirdo: mythweb vs. mythbackend: 1:0 |
| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | oh. |
| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | that problem |
| [19:53:00] | Spida: | yes |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | it quite regularly craps out the backend |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | the backend has some bad code buried in there somewhere |
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| [19:55:00] | Spida: | .oO(wir sollten #mythtv-users.de aufmachen) |
| [19:55:00] | Spida: | hm |
| [19:55:00] | Spida: | and my backend freaks out, if I try to delete recordings |
| [19:56:00] | Spida: | that is, it freezes. |
| [19:56:00] | xris: | Beirdo: there have been a couple posted to one of the lists. |
| [19:56:00] | laga: | Spida: #mythtv-de? |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | I'll have to take a look in my dwindling spare time :) |
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| [19:58:00] | xris: | Beirdo: the habanero mead went over really well this weekend. |
| [19:58:00] | xris: | turned into a sort of manliness contest. heh. |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | Coool |
| [19:58:00] | xris: | first time I've ever seen a particular friend of mine taken aback by an alcoholic beverage. |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | I'll have to sneak some jalapeno wine down there |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | this shit is strong :) |
| [19:59:00] | xris: | so's mine. |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | do a scofield test on the two of them |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:00:00] | xris: | any idea how you do that these days? |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:00:00] | xris: | I'm not about to start spraying 400k squirts of sugar water into my mouth |
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| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | I think yours would end up with more residual sugars from the honey, but who knows, they'll both start fires :) |
| [20:01:00] | xris: | plus, the alcohol washes away the capseicin so it'd be hard to measure correctly that way. |
| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | thank GOD |
| [20:01:00] | bbeattie: | Anyone heard of USB sound cards with SPDIF out that work under linux? |
| [20:01:00] | xris: | Beirdo: it's nice, actually. |
| [20:01:00] | xris: | heat only lasts for a minute or so |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | and then for half an hour or so on the other end? |
| [20:02:00] | xris: | no idea how I'm going to clean that carboy, though. heh. |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | burning ring of fire time |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:02:00] | xris: | haven't drunk enough of this stuff to find out. |
| [20:02:00] | xris: | heh |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | I took a sip of mine when bottling. WOW |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | like drinking pepper spray :) |
| [20:03:00] | kormoc: | nah, it's not hot enough to burn on the way out :P |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [20:04:00] | Beirdo: | cleaned the gallon jugs VERY well after that stuff :) |
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| [20:04:00] | xris: | kormoc has unusual heat tolerance. heh. |
| [20:05:00] | ** Beirdo high-fives kormoc ** | |
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| [20:05:00] | kormoc: | :) |
| [20:05:00] | ** slePP returns ** | |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | I still wish I could distill that stuff |
| [20:05:00] | xris: | lol |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | that would be so wicked |
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| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | the jalapeno jelly turned out real well too :) |
| [20:07:00] | ** kormoc ponders using a bottle of vodka and some habanaros to make some real hot drinks. ** | |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | take the seeds and stem out first |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | the stem will give off flavor |
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| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | and the seeds will give too much heat, then off flavor |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | I should drink more of my berry-infused vodka |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [20:14:00] | xris: | Beirdo: you are correct. which is the thing I need to correct for my mead next time. |
| [20:15:00] | xris: | wasn't hot enough, so I tossed the seeds in, too |
| [20:15:00] | ** xris was smart and wore latex gloves, too. ** | |
| [20:16:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:17:00] | ** kormoc ponders just slicing up some peppers and throwing them in a bottle for a few months ** | |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | the seeds will give the heat, but make sure to strain them out before tannins, etc get extracted |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: worth a try |
| [20:17:00] | xris: | well, since I blend stuff, I can't strain. |
| [20:17:00] | xris: | they left a bit of a bitter flavor. |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | seeds of most kinds do |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | there's all sortsa stuff in seeds you don't want to drink |
| [20:19:00] | laga: | slePP: one question. why do i translate things like "invalid bid amount" or "bidding closed"? |
| [20:19:00] | laga: | slePP: sounds more like ebay to me ;) |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | especially peach pits... |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | ;) |
| [20:22:00] | Beirdo: | OK... |
| [20:22:00] | Beirdo: | demo in 8min |
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| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | be back in a while |
| [20:25:00] | slePP: | laga: heh. that's the advertising section |
| [20:26:00] | slePP: | laga: when advertising contracts run out, i run them in an auction form to keep it 'fair and balanced' as it were |
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| [20:26:00] | slePP: | presently there are no open contracts, so it's not visible to the end user.. then when stuff comes up, and advertising link will show back on the main list of links for people to bid :> |
| [20:26:00] | laga: | slePP: oh, ok ;) |
| [20:28:00] | ** slePP is so excited about having a real translation :> ** | |
| [20:28:00] | laga: | slePP: it's not much work. expect an alpha translation by the end of the week ;) |
| [20:28:00] | laga: | slePP: ;) |
| [20:30:00] | laga: | slePP: what happens if the translated strings are much larger than the original string? |
| [20:32:00] | kormoc: | you remove random letters from it? |
| [20:33:00] | laga: | yep |
| [20:33:00] | laga: | the french do that, too. |
| [20:34:00] | slePP: | laga: no problem |
| [20:34:00] | slePP: | laga: if you see a way to make what i'm saying clearer in german, feel free to adjust the phrasing as well. |
| [20:34:00] | slePP: | especially the menu items... 'New Post' if it were to turn into like 5 words, maybe it's better stated in a shorter german way :> |
| [20:35:00] | ** slePP wonders how to tell if laga starts translating 'slepp wears women's underwear' and stuff.... ** | |
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| [20:36:00] | laga: | slePP: well. you will probably get way more feedback than you get now. |
| [20:36:00] | slePP: | feedback in what way? |
| [20:38:00] | laga: | e-mails. about your hobbies. ;) |
| [20:38:00] | slePP: | hehehe |
| [20:38:00] | slePP: | true :> |
| [20:38:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [20:39:00] | laga: | 222 out of 252 strings not translated. your website has way too much content. ;) |
| [20:39:00] | slePP: | which is amusing.. :> |
| [20:39:00] | slePP: | given the site doesn't look big |
| [20:40:00] | laga: | yep |
| [20:40:00] | laga: | but it's professionally looking |
| [20:40:00] | slePP: | there's still about 100 strings that aren't in the translations |
| [20:40:00] | laga: | i need to teach myself more html/css |
| [20:40:00] | laga: | yuck ;) |
| [20:40:00] | slePP: | but i update those fairly often, and i'm not sure you want to get an e-mail every two days asking 'can you update x, x, x, and x?' :> |
| [20:41:00] | slePP: | like the news page.. doesn't really need to get translated. it's not important to using the site in any way |
| [20:41:00] | laga: | umm, yep. |
| [20:44:00] | slePP: | heh. i found about 6 more that need to be translated.... :> i'll send you an updated de.po or tell you when i'm done internationalizing some of the little pages |
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| [20:45:00] | laga: | yep, do that |
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| [20:51:00] | slePP: | actually,w ould you translate the news for me? |
| [20:52:00] | slePP: | i figure it won't hurt to translate them now, since they aren't going away and aren't changing... any new entries i'll just leave for whenever someone wants to :> |
| [20:52:00] | slePP: | your call on that one |
| [20:52:00] | laga: | i'm not sure. school and the other real life shit really steal my precious computer time ;) |
| [20:53:00] | laga: | we'll see when i've finished the .po file |
| [20:53:00] | slePP: | :> |
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| [20:54:00] | {Manza}: | Hola a todos |
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| [20:55:00] | slePP: | laga: k, there's an updated de.po on the server. not sure how much extra there is. |
| [20:56:00] | laga: | hola manza, que tal? |
| [20:57:00] | laga: | slePP: i've already translated some strings. do you have any idea how i could umm combine these two files? |
| [20:58:00] | slePP: | just continue on what you're doing, and send it over.. |
| [20:58:00] | slePP: | i'll merge them here and then you could download the merged versions |
| [20:58:00] | laga: | oh, ok ;) |
| [20:59:00] | slePP: | i think all i need to do is take your file, and run it through the 'msgmerge' utility.. |
| [21:00:00] | slePP: | can you find the line from what.php, line 44? (dunno if poEdit lets you do that) |
| [21:01:00] | laga: | i dont think so |
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| [21:01:00] | laga: | but then again, i'm not an expert in poEdit ;) |
| [21:01:00] | slePP: | k.. i'm adding in 'German translation done by laga.' |
| [21:01:00] | slePP: | unless you want a real name there |
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| [21:03:00] | laga: | slePP: Michael "laga" Haas |
| [21:03:00] | laga: | slePP: there's no need for me to hide behind a nick name ;) |
| [21:03:00] | slePP: | k :> |
| [21:03:00] | slePP: | added. |
| [21:03:00] | laga: | thank you |
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| [21:04:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:04:00] | whimboo: | hi, I'm currently editing a cutlist of a show and I'm really frustraded that the home key deletes it without asking the user if he want's that! So i've lost more than 15 minutes :( |
| [21:04:00] | Beirdo: | better than Michael "dumb" Hass :) |
| [21:04:00] | ** slePP grins ** | |
| [21:04:00] | Beirdo: | err Haas |
| [21:04:00] | slePP: | is that what laga is? |
| [21:04:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:05:00] | Beirdo: | I don't think so, but what do I know |
| [21:05:00] | slePP: | hehehe |
| [21:05:00] | Beirdo: | 4pm and the office clears |
| [21:05:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [21:05:00] | slePP: | 2pm and i'm still on the phone. |
| [21:05:00] | slePP: | jezz. |
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| [21:06:00] | slePP: | yes, jezz! as in jezzball |
| [21:06:00] | beavis: | whimboo: i think you can change the key with mythweb |
| [21:06:00] | slePP: | or something |
| [21:06:00] | Beirdo: | better than last monday |
| [21:06:00] | ** slePP disguises the typo ** | |
| [21:06:00] | slePP: | it's monday? |
| [21:06:00] | slePP: | ... |
| [21:06:00] | ** slePP sighs ** | |
| [21:06:00] | beavis: | laga kick their butts!! |
| [21:06:00] | slePP: | i thought today was tuesday |
| [21:06:00] | Beirdo: | I was fighting with networksolutions last monday |
| [21:06:00] | whimboo: | beavis: sure, but when erasing the whole list the user should be ask |
| [21:07:00] | beavis: | whimboo: Captain_Murdoch's only in #mythtv. hmm. Just /query him directly |
| [21:08:00] | Beirdo: | Hmm? |
| [21:08:00] | Beirdo: | he's here, what are you talking about :) |
| [21:08:00] | Beirdo: | he may be ignoring the channel, but he's in this channel. |
| [21:09:00] | beavis: | ok i didn't look at the op list |
| [21:09:00] | whimboo: | mmh should i query him or asking in #mythtv? |
| [21:09:00] | beavis: | you'll be killed in #mythtv ;) |
| [21:09:00] | Beirdo: | if it's a support question, you ask here |
| [21:10:00] | whimboo: | it's no support question it's a RFE |
| [21:10:00] | mechtn: | hey besides the happague cards.. do any of the others do encoding onboard/ |
| [21:10:00] | beavis: | it's an improvement suggestion |
| [21:10:00] | mechtn: | anyone used the HTDV ATI Card? |
| [21:11:00] | topping: | mechtn: ATI cards aren't supported |
| [21:11:00] | Beirdo: | whimboo: you might be best off using the -dev mailing list |
| [21:11:00] | Beirdo: | but up to you if you wanna risk getting flamed :) |
| [21:12:00] | whimboo: | Beirdo: sure but i dislike such lists. |
| [21:12:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:12:00] | beavis: | send a patch :D |
| [21:12:00] | Beirdo: | well, the developers didn't set it up for your enjoyment, but rather their own |
| [21:13:00] | Beirdo: | I fuckin hate this shite |
| [21:13:00] | mechtn: | topping, yes they are you silly :P |
| [21:13:00] | riksta: | hey topping |
| [21:13:00] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna be in at work all damn night... again |
| [21:13:00] | mechtn: | topping, my other ati card worked.. |
| [21:14:00] | ** laga slaps beavis ** | |
| [21:14:00] | Beirdo: | mechtn: your other HDTV ATI card? |
| [21:14:00] | laga: | err. |
| [21:14:00] | ** laga slaps Beirdo ** | |
| [21:14:00] | laga: | sorry, i was away. anyways, you both deserve it. |
| [21:14:00] | ** Beirdo slaps laga with the trout ** | |
| [21:14:00] | mechtn: | my ati wonder pro card worked.. |
| [21:14:00] | mechtn: | but was very laggy .. i assume because it didnt encode itself |
| [21:14:00] | Beirdo: | that's not an HDTV card, now is it? |
| [21:14:00] | mechtn: | no.. i was asking if the ati one was |
| [21:15:00] | Beirdo: | there is no Linux support that we know of for the ATI HDTV cards |
| [21:15:00] | topping: | riksta: :-) |
| [21:15:00] | Beirdo: | is that clear enough? :) |
| [21:15:00] | mechtn: | ah ok.. i thought he said there wasnt any support for ati cards at all |
| [21:15:00] | mechtn: | hehehe |
| [21:15:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:15:00] | Beirdo: | well, if so, he's on crack :) |
| [21:15:00] | mechtn: | well crap i cant find a good card around here to go in my system |
| [21:15:00] | ** topping looks around with glassy eyes for his pipe and torch ** | |
| [21:15:00] | mechtn: | the only other one the store has is an ati usb 2.0 one |
| [21:16:00] | riksta: | is anyone else noticing te backend using really high cpu on 0.18? |
| [21:16:00] | riksta: | like80% + |
| [21:16:00] | Beirdo: | nope :) |
| [21:16:00] | topping: | riksta: it must be xfce |
| [21:16:00] | riksta: | i use fluxbox :P |
| [21:16:00] | topping: | haha |
| [21:17:00] | Beirdo: | it must be because you're British. |
| [21:17:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [21:20:00] | mechtn: | how do i see which driver my happague card is using |
| [21:20:00] | laga: | lsmod |
| [21:21:00] | Beirdo: | dmesg? |
| [21:21:00] | stealth: | hi, slightly ot but I plan on using this system for mythtv. Would a 300watt power supply be too little for a 2.26ghz p4? I am building a microatx system |
| [21:21:00] | mechtn: | hrm |
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| [21:22:00] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [21:22:00] | mechtn: | i see about of bttv listed |
| [21:23:00] | mechtn: | about = abunch |
| [21:25:00] | mechtn: | ya it found the card as |
| [21:25:00] | mechtn: | hauppauge wintv |
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| [21:25:00] | mechtn: | bt878.. bttv0 |
| [21:25:00] | mechtn: | model = 44001.. |
| [21:25:00] | mechtn: | i assume that card doesnt do mpeg encoding on the fly? |
| [21:26:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [21:26:00] | laga: | great. manza msg'ed me in spanish, i think of an answer and he quits. great. |
| [21:27:00] | mechtn: | well crap.. |
| [21:27:00] | mechtn: | should my live tv be really laggy on this card? |
| [21:27:00] | laga: | what cpu? |
| [21:27:00] | Beirdo: | what do you mean "laggy" |
| [21:28:00] | mechtn: | athlon mp 2000, 512mb of ram |
| [21:28:00] | laga: | stuttering? unsmooth? skipping/dropping frames? |
| [21:28:00] | mechtn: | umm ya stuttering.. skipping.. |
| [21:28:00] | mechtn: | cant change channel up or down laggy |
| [21:29:00] | riksta: | god damn, 78% cpu usage when watching livetv |
| [21:29:00] | riksta: | what can it be |
| [21:29:00] | Beirdo: | use top |
| [21:29:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:29:00] | riksta: | Beirdo: what the hell are you on about |
| [21:29:00] | riksta: | :P |
| [21:29:00] | Beirdo: | if you want to see what's using the CPU, use top |
| [21:29:00] | riksta: | i already know what process it is, mythbackend |
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| [21:29:00] | riksta: | dude |
| [21:29:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:29:00] | riksta: | i'm not dumb :P |
| [21:30:00] | Beirdo: | you might be drunk though :) |
| [21:30:00] | Beirdo: | Hmm |
| [21:30:00] | riksta: | i meant....what could it be in terms of within myth |
| [21:30:00] | laga: | drunk...*drool* |
| [21:30:00] | Beirdo: | what kind of card? |
| [21:30:00] | riksta: | I can't see anything amiss in the logs |
| [21:30:00] | riksta: | bttv |
| [21:30:00] | riksta: | worked ok till i upgraded from 0.17 |
| [21:30:00] | riksta: | now its raping cpu |
| [21:30:00] | Beirdo: | and your backend/frontend's the same machine? |
| [21:30:00] | riksta: | yea |
| [21:30:00] | Beirdo: | Captain_Murdoch: wake up... :) |
| [21:30:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:31:00] | Beirdo: | I'm betting it's trying to commercial flag while you watch |
| [21:31:00] | riksta: | nah as soon as i go off livetv |
| [21:31:00] | riksta: | the cpu goes down |
| [21:31:00] | riksta: | and wouldn't it say it was flagging in the log |
| [21:31:00] | Beirdo: | a new feature for recordings, but I dunno if it's doing it on livetv when it shouldn't |
| [21:32:00] | Beirdo: | no, I mean commercial flagging WHAT you are watching, while you are watching |
| [21:32:00] | riksta: | oh really |
| [21:32:00] | Beirdo: | it does that for recordings |
| [21:32:00] | riksta: | I didn't know that it did that now.... |
| [21:32:00] | laga: | cool feature. does it skip commercials while im watching? |
| [21:32:00] | Beirdo: | there may be a way to tweak it in the setup |
| [21:32:00] | riksta: | yeah but i'm just watching livetv i'm not recording |
| [21:32:00] | Beirdo: | but I'd think in livetv it should be off |
| [21:32:00] | riksta: | would that be in the frontend setup |
| [21:32:00] | Beirdo: | livetv IS recording :) |
| [21:32:00] | riksta: | suppose |
| [21:32:00] | riksta: | but it's a different type |
| [21:33:00] | Beirdo: | with simultaneous playback from a ringbuffer |
| [21:33:00] | riksta: | yeah |
| [21:33:00] | Beirdo: | so it might be doing that on LiveTV which strikes me as odd |
| [21:33:00] | riksta: | do you know where exactly to check |
| [21:33:00] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [21:34:00] | mechtn: | should it be skipping and all that mess with livetv with just a regular wintv go using bt878 drivers |
| [21:34:00] | Beirdo: | I haven't looked at the setup menus recently |
| [21:34:00] | mechtn: | or should i upgrade the CPU in it? |
| [21:34:00] | mechtn: | i can put in an athlon xp 2700 |
| [21:34:00] | Beirdo: | mechtn: tweak your recording settings for the livetv profile |
| [21:34:00] | mechtn: | and jump it up to 1gb of ram |
| [21:34:00] | mechtn: | beirdo, that under mythtv-setup ? |
| [21:34:00] | Beirdo: | no |
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| [21:35:00] | Beirdo: | in the frontend setup menus |
| [21:35:00] | mechtn: | oh ok.. |
| [21:35:00] | riksta: | mpeg4 @ 0xb7791e30]removing common factors from framerate |
| [21:35:00] | riksta: | strange error flushing buffer ... |
| [21:35:00] | riksta: | i do see this |
| [21:35:00] | mechtn: | i'll play around with it.. |
| [21:35:00] | Beirdo: | the second line's from LAME |
| [21:36:00] | riksta: | in the log, but i dunno if that's too bad |
| [21:36:00] | Beirdo: | the first line from the ffmpeg MPEG4 decoder |
| [21:36:00] | riksta: | so does that mean it's transcoding livetv |
| [21:36:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [21:36:00] | Beirdo: | when you record LiveTV with bttv... |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | it grabs raw frames |
| [21:37:00] | riksta: | i thought that |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | MPEG4 or RTJPEG encodes them, writes to disk |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | then decodes them to display to you |
| [21:37:00] | riksta: | hmm |
| [21:37:00] | riksta: | i wonder what's going on then |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | and if it's commercial flagging, it will be decoding them separately for that |
| [21:38:00] | riksta: | yeah, i'm sure it'd tell me in the backend log if it was comflagging tho? |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | not necessarily, I dunno |
| [21:39:00] | riksta: | i am using the linear filter |
| [21:39:00] | riksta: | but i'm sure it didn't use so much cpu previously |
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| [21:40:00] | riksta: | can't be that..jus turned it off |
| [21:40:00] | mechtn_: | sorry for clone but i was trying to update my mythtv-suite and got this.. |
| [21:40:00] | mechtn_: | file /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/vldXvMC.h from install of libXvMCW-0.9.3–1.rhfc3.at conflicts with file from package xorg-x11-devel-6.8.2–1.FC3.13_2.rhfc3.at |
| [21:40:00] | riksta: | plus, that's done on the f/e |
| [21:41:00] | mechtn: | any idea how to fix that? |
| [21:42:00] | riksta: | ask in fedora |
| [21:44:00] | ** slePP sits on riksta. http://pastebin.ca/makesub.php ** | |
| [21:45:00] | riksta: | fat git |
| [21:45:00] | riksta: | very good :) |
| [21:52:00] | slePP: | :> |
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| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | I'm bored |
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| [22:11:00] | xris: | Beirdo: I'm sleepy. |
| [22:13:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:13:00] | Beirdo: | I usually am at this time of day |
| [22:18:00] | xris: | I'm not |
| [22:20:00] | mishehu: | bah. |
| [22:21:00] | slePP: | i get beer soon :> |
| [22:21:00] | slePP: | screw ya'll |
| [22:21:00] | slePP: | ok, well, 4–5 hours.. but still |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | screw you guys.... going home |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:22:00] | slePP: | someone find the owner of pastebin.com and make them sell me their domain |
| [22:23:00] | Beirdo: | screw you... home. |
| [22:23:00] | Beirdo: | Cartmen so rules |
| [22:23:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, I gotta see if I can score a Santana ticket |
| [22:23:00] | Beirdo: | completely forgot, I hope they ain't sold out |
| [22:23:00] | Beirdo: | and I have a package to mail. |
| [22:23:00] | Beirdo: | seeya :) |
| [22:24:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [22:24:00] | kormoc: | enjoy! |
| [22:25:00] | slePP: | beirdo, if i give you beer, will you implement my new syntax parser for pastebin? :> |
| [22:25:00] | xris: | slePP: he prefers single malt scotch |
| [22:25:00] | slePP: | well then |
| [22:25:00] | slePP: | that works :> |
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| [22:50:00] | bradb83: | Anyone using an Asus Pundit with Knoppmyth? |
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| [22:53:00] | xris: | bradb83: half of that (the pundit) |
| [22:53:00] | mechtn: | hey |
| [22:53:00] | mechtn: | when i tried apt-get install mythtv-suite |
| [22:53:00] | mechtn: | i got this.. |
| [22:53:00] | mechtn: | after it all downloaded |
| [22:53:00] | mechtn: | file /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/vldXvMC.h from install of libXvMCW-0.9.3–1.rhfc3.at conflicts with file from package xorg-x11-devel-6.8.2–1.FC3.13_2.rhfc3.at |
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| [22:55:00] | MiX-MaN: | anyone know where i can get a script to automagicly convert the nuv files to divx after its done recording.. |
| [22:56:00] | bradb83: | xris, i have the pundit working with mythtv, but i wanted to try knoppmyth |
| [22:57:00] | MiX-MaN: | im useing knoppmyth right now |
| [22:57:00] | MiX-MaN: | works pretty damn good |
| [22:57:00] | xris: | bradb83: can't help you there, then |
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| [22:58:00] | bradb83: | MiX-Man, what capture card are you using? |
| [22:58:00] | mechtn: | xris, how come i'm having dependacy issues |
| [22:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | bradb83: Bt series |
| [22:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | Bt878 |
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| [23:01:00] | shodan: | anyone seen cardoe recently ? like .. this year ? 'cause there's a typo in mythfrontend-0.18.ebuild |
| [23:03:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe is online |
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| [23:08:00] | xris: | ok, from now on, if anyone asks the "nuvexport doesn't work for me" question, send them here instead of telling them to search the mailing list archives: https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/wiki/debug |
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| [23:25:00] | MiX-MaN: | nuvexport doesn't work for me |
| [23:26:00] | MiX-MaN: | ;) |
| [23:26:00] | dhofstra: | define 'work' |
| [23:26:00] | dhofstra: | ;0 |
| [23:27:00] | MiX-MaN: | was just being an ass |
| [23:27:00] | CygnusX1: | Good day. Is there anyone to tell Myth that say, channel 82 is channel 62? Comcast moved Fox from 82 to 62 and I expect it to be months before the tv listings catch up? |
| [23:27:00] | MiX-MaN: | although i dont think the divx module is working |
| [23:27:00] | dhofstra: | me too .. he he |
| [23:27:00] | MiX-MaN: | ;) |
| [23:27:00] | MiX-MaN: | CygnusX1: dunno i was surprised to see my new cable co in the listings |
| [23:28:00] | MiX-MaN: | maybe it'll be pretty quick |
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| [23:28:00] | dhofstra: | CygnusX1 I beleive you may be able to set the channel frequency in the setup program to the other channel, but you would have to change it back once the guide data caught up |
| [23:28:00] | dhofstra: | (using the channel editor) |
| [23:29:00] | CygnusX1: | dhofstra, That is in the web interface, correct? |
| [23:29:00] | dhofstra: | no, it is the setup program, i.e. mythsetup if you used rpms , or ./setup if you built from source |
| [23:29:00] | dhofstra: | where you setup your cards, and sources at |
| [23:30:00] | CygnusX1: | dhofstra, I see what your saying...there is a spot to do it in the web interface to. And, it worked...thank you! |
| [23:31:00] | CygnusX1: | too* |
| [23:31:00] | dhofstra: | oh, you could do it there also... I just like taking the long difficult way.. hehe |
| [23:31:00] | CygnusX1: | I was scared to touch it though because it says if you don't know what your doing (who, me??) I could really mess it up. |
| [23:31:00] | dhofstra: | the web interface does say it is still experimental |
| [23:32:00] | dhofstra: | might be worth a look in the setup program for future usage |
| [23:32:00] | CygnusX1: | dhofstra, Roger that. Thank you again! |
| [23:33:00] | dhofstra: | every couple of months I find I can actually answer a question in here... |
| [23:34:00] | xris: | web interface? as in mythweb? |
| [23:34:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [23:35:00] | CygnusX1: | xris, yes |
| [23:35:00] | MiX-MaN: | does anyone else have a prob with the web interface going really slow |
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| [23:42:00] | CygnusX1: | MiX-MaN, the listings came up slow when I was at work...but I only have 384K up. |
| [23:43:00] | MiX-MaN: | hmm |
| [23:43:00] | MiX-MaN: | its going slow on a local lan :( |
| [23:43:00] | CygnusX1: | AndyCap, it ran really slow when I selected MPEG-TS for the recording format...not too mention I could not longer watch tv. I had to go into the SQL tables and change everything back to MPEG-PS to get it working again. |
| [23:43:00] | CygnusX1: | lol..darned autocomplete |
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| [23:46:00] | MiX-MaN: | aight... this try this question ensted.. ;) i wanna convert a nuv file to divx on another system.. how would i go about doing that? |
| [23:46:00] | MiX-MaN: | windows or linux.. doesent matter |
| [23:47:00] | MiX-MaN: | nm on the windows... it cant handle anything over 2gigs :/ |
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| [23:50:00] | dhofstra: | if your nuv file is from a PVR250 or such, you may be able to fool your normal program into using it as mpeg. Nero Vision express will handle it like an mpeg, you just have to select 'all files' to be able to see it in the file selection |
| [23:52:00] | dhofstra: | or, (if it is from an ivtv card, you could try just renaming it to .mpg) seems to work for me, but I have been flamed in the past for saying such things |
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| [23:53:00] | MiX-MaN: | :( its a bt card |
| [23:54:00] | MiX-MaN: | i can play em in windows.. just.. im archive em and 500 megs an epi adds up fast :/ |
| [23:54:00] | kormoc: | maybe nuvexport has command lines you could setup in a shell script to do it's thing? |
| [23:54:00] | MiX-MaN: | i've looked.. cant find anything |
| [23:55:00] | dhofstra: | can you get it any smaller by having myth transcode the file after it records? maybe not that much size difference, but who knows... |
| [23:55:00] | MiX-MaN: | i tried useing that... it kinda worked |
| [23:55:00] | MiX-MaN: | the hdd thats in the system wasent big enough to handel the transcode |
| [23:56:00] | kormoc: | or you could set it to record at a lower bitrate/res to begin with |
| [23:56:00] | dhofstra: | or mount a larger remote hard drive for storage |
| [23:56:00] | dhofstra: | mount your windows drive and use that as your video storage mecca |
| [23:56:00] | MiX-MaN: | heh |
| [23:57:00] | MiX-MaN: | step ahead of u on that one |
| [23:57:00] | MiX-MaN: | //msv1/mv 77G 17G 60G 23% /home/content |
| [23:57:00] | MiX-MaN: | once that gets done it i move em over to another bigger drive |
| [23:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | but |
| [23:58:00] | dhofstra: | ooooh, this new videocard really makes this old pIII 600 I been playing with a worthwile mythfrontend... |
| [23:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | thats not giving me the prob.. this is: |
| [23:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [23:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | /dev/hda1 2.1G 2.0G 25M 99% / |
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| [23:58:00] | dhofstra: | damn |
| [23:58:00] | kormoc: | delete some stuff? :P |
| [23:58:00] | MiX-MaN: | it fills the log file with a bunch of crap and in turn fills the partition |
| [23:58:00] | AndyCap: | dhofstra: what kind of card did you get? |
| [23:59:00] | dhofstra: | just a cheapo nvidia 4000 |
| [23:59:00] | dhofstra: | the ati I had only had 8mb of video RAM, this 64 mb really makes it nice |
| [23:59:00] | dhofstra: | still a looooong way from handling high def, but much much nicer.. yay |
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