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Saturday, April 23rd, 2005, 00:10 UTC
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[00:20:00] CygnusX1: Is there anyone present running mythtv on Slackware 10.1?
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[00:20:00] psm321: hi
[00:21:00] psm321: are recording schedules stored according to channel number or channel name?
[00:21:00] psm321: basically, what do I have to do when I move to a place w/ a different lineup?
[00:21:00] Beirdo: channel id
[00:23:00] psm321: so what does that mean in terms of moving? i should be mostly ok?
[00:24:00] psm321: (i know i need to change my datadirect lineup of course)
[00:26:00] fryfrog: i think you should mostly be okay
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[00:26:00] fryfrog: of course, if you used "record at any time on any channel" you shouldn't have problems at all
[00:27:00] psm321: yeah but some of the new shows are set to every week in this timeslot
[00:27:00] psm321: like simpsons
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[00:28:00] psm321: and some things like movies are "just this showing"
[00:30:00] psm321: so other than changin my datadirect listing, what should i do? do i need to clear channel info in setup?
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[00:59:00] cpuwildman: TV works for me in tvtime, but not in MythTV... what might be causing this?
[01:00:00] mchou: lol, could be anything :)
[01:00:00] mchou: you sure arent giving us enough info to give you any assitance.
[01:01:00] mchou: assistance*
[01:01:00] cpuwildman: tv works fine in tvtime... in mythtv it is a green screen with static at the top...
[01:01:00] cpuwildman: I have a kworld card... using bttv, card=78 tuner=2
[01:02:00] mchou: green screen generally means you did not set up the right input in myth, probably ponting at svideo or something
[01:02:00] mchou: pointing*
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[01:02:00] cpuwildman: ok... I'll try a different one
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[01:06:00] mchou: my 150 works great in 2.6, but 2.4 is a bitch to even compile, never mind work :)
[01:07:00] CygnusX1: mchou, what distro are you running on?
[01:07:00] Ralph: why would you want to use 2.4 anyway? I think you said you had a reason, but I can't remember
[01:08:00] mchou: CygnusX1: mandrake or whatever it's called now.
[01:08:00] Cromz: mchou: you still talking! cripes.. you talking when I get home form work, talking when I leave for work.. talking when I go to bed at night. oh and hi mchou :> j/k
[01:08:00] CygnusX1: lol
[01:09:00] CygnusX1: mchou, Do you know what tuner you have in that 150?
[01:09:00] mchou: Ralph: 2.4 has a working USB subsystem , where as 2.6 is fubar.
[01:09:00] mchou: Cromz: read the damn logs, I haven't been on all day :)
[01:09:00] Cromz: lol
[01:09:00] Ralph: that's right
[01:09:00] mchou: CygnusX1: tuner type 50
[01:10:00] Ralph: I don't use anything usb so I never noticed
[01:10:00] mchou: CygnusX1: you have 150?
[01:10:00] bomba_: has anyone had the problem where the listing get shifted an hour ahead?
[01:10:00] CygnusX1: mchou, Yes...type 50. Been fighting with knoppmyth....just started trying to get it up on Slackware a couple of hours ago.
[01:11:00] mchou: CygnusX1: it wasnt hard at all to get working at all for me.
[01:11:00] mchou: should work in 2.6 easy.
[01:12:00] mchou: CygnusX1: might have to compile custom kernel.
[01:12:00] cpuwildman: ok... now I get a TV signal in mythtv... however, I cannot change channels
[01:12:00] CygnusX1: mchou, I compiled a 2.6.11.7 kernel
[01:12:00] mchou: and get rid of all the precompiled modules that conflict with ivtv.
[01:12:00] mchou: CygnusX1: and??
[01:12:00] CygnusX1: I am jsut starting the myth install.
[01:13:00] CygnusX1: tI had good video and sound from cat /dev/video
[01:13:00] mchou: CygnusX1: no no, I meant have you tested your 150 outside of myth to make sure it works?
[01:13:00] mchou: ahh, OK. good.
[01:13:00] mchou: then you're home free :)
[01:14:00] CygnusX1: Damn it. Lirc was working...I rebooted and its dead.
[01:14:00] rpete: bomba_, check the faq in the topic
[01:14:00] mchou: CygnusX1: hehe :)
[01:14:00] rpete: bomba_, happened to most people at onset of dst
[01:14:00] bomba_: okay, thanks
[01:15:00] mchou: CygnusX1: you must be a real masochist to use slack
[01:15:00] rpete: 0.18 fixes it bomba_
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[01:15:00] mchou: CygnusX1: so did you buy 150 retail?
[01:16:00] CygnusX1: :-) Yes. NTSC non MCE
[01:16:00] mchou: CygnusX1: where did you buy it?
[01:17:00] CygnusX1: Circuit City :-( Couldn't wait for shipping
[01:17:00] mchou: yeah, same here. $60 AR aint bad :)
[01:17:00] bomba_: anyone using PVR500s yet?
[01:17:00] mchou: I'm going back there to get another one.
[01:17:00] CygnusX1: lol
[01:17:00] mchou: bomba_: plenty.
[01:17:00] bomba_: ooh
[01:18:00] mchou: CygnusX1: it's too bad CC doesnt sell 500 :)
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[01:18:00] mchou: otherwise I would had bought that instead.
[01:18:00] mchou: dont really need two damn remotes and blasters.
[01:19:00] CygnusX1: I will probably grab a 500 if I ever get this working.
[01:19:00] mchou: CygnusX1: good plan :)
[01:20:00] mchou: you do have it working already :)
[01:20:00] CygnusX1: You can jsut pack one away, can't ya? Only need the remote for one card. Use the other only for recording
[01:20:00] mchou: chances are if cat works then it will work in myth.
[01:20:00] Cromz: mchou: help me with mine :> the browse mode don't work, edit mode pauses but when I hit Z nothing shows up. mythweb says editing. and the remote if I hit 45 it'll change to 4 then 5.. no idea? shoot.. ok.. oh well.. hehe ;)
[01:21:00] mchou: Cromz: man, you drunk??
[01:21:00] CygnusX1: mchou, darned machine keeps locking up on me...don't know what I pooched. Myth compile ran for 15 minutes then BOOM. Temps are okay.
[01:21:00] Cromz: naw.. just messing around.
[01:21:00] CygnusX1: And I am concerned about lirc dying :-(
[01:21:00] mchou: CygnusX1: lol, buy a new machine :)
[01:21:00] mchou: CygnusX1: lemme guess, nforce2???
[01:22:00] bomba_: hmm, with a 500 I could grab 4 channels at once!, muahah
[01:22:00] CygnusX1: She's only two years old...2600+, nforce2, 1GB ram....only took her out of service to be a Myth box. Replaced with an A643500+
[01:22:00] mchou: CygnusX1: local apic on or off?
[01:22:00] CygnusX1: uh oh....heh heh...I had XP and Salck 10 running on it for two years...never a problem.
[01:23:00] CygnusX1: mchou, it is on
[01:23:00] CygnusX1: ohhh!!!!
[01:23:00] CygnusX1: It wasn't by default though!! I turned that on in this kernel.
[01:23:00] mchou: CygnusX1: check lilo.conf
[01:23:00] mchou: :)
[01:24:00] mchou: CygnusX1: you like your A64? :)
[01:24:00] CygnusX1: mchou, What am I looking for there?
[01:24:00] mchou: kernel parameters :)
[01:24:00] CygnusX1: mchou, I love it...except it was dissapointing...I built it, installed XP and Slack in 4 hours...it has been running since then...no tweaking :-(
[01:24:00] CygnusX1: t:-)
[01:24:00] mchou: I'd try turning off lapic just for grins :)
[01:25:00] mchou: CygnusX1: no tweaking is good, what you talking about :)
[01:25:00] CygnusX1: What is the param for that?
[01:25:00] mchou: CygnusX1: what mobo is that?
[01:25:00] mchou: probably lapic=off
[01:25:00] CygnusX1: mchou, Tis true...in a sense...I always look forward to a bit of a challenge though.
[01:25:00] CygnusX1: A7N8x-Del
[01:26:00] marmoset: nolapic I think
[01:26:00] marmoset: but I could be wrong
[01:26:00] mchou: marmoset is probab. correct.
[01:27:00] CygnusX1: at my lilo prompt, can I type linux26 nolapic?
[01:27:00] mchou: you dont need to edit lilo just yet. just reboot w/nolapic param :)
[01:27:00] marmoset: CygnusX1: yes
[01:27:00] mchou: you just wanna see if it's makes things better or worse :)
[01:27:00] CygnusX1: Thank you marmoset and mchou. I will give that a try and if it works, add her in lilo.
[01:28:00] riksta: i got problems with mythbackend when upgraded from 0.17 before
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[01:28:00] riksta: backend is using like 85% cpu
[01:28:00] riksta: when just watching tv
[01:29:00] ** marmoset fighting with this epia **
[01:29:00] marmoset: of course I'm seeing error messages that don't turn up any results in google
[01:29:00] mchou: marmoset: epias are a bitch on linux.
[01:29:00] marmoset: but that's par for the course :)
[01:29:00] marmoset: mchou: the install is easy, debian works great
[01:30:00] marmoset: it's the fancy video stuff that's not working right ;)
[01:30:00] mchou: does deb have a prcompile epia kernel?
[01:30:00] mchou: precompiled*
[01:30:00] marmoset: normal kernel works fine
[01:30:00] mchou: marmoset: huhh???
[01:31:00] marmoset: mII 10000
[01:31:00] mchou: I thought epia is a bastard :)
[01:31:00] mchou: a real mutt/mongrel :)
[01:31:00] marmoset: nehemiah
[01:31:00] marmoset: I think it is somewhat
[01:31:00] marmoset: but it's 586 compat
[01:31:00] marmoset: and essentially 686 compat
[01:31:00] mchou: not what I heard.
[01:31:00] riksta: anyone else got these high cpu usage?
[01:31:00] riksta: this*
[01:32:00] mchou: marmoset: it's like a weird 486 with some i586 instruction sets or some such thing, iirc.
[01:33:00] mchou: you do a standard i586 kernel, it's gonna give you trouble.
[01:33:00] marmoset: well, the normal kernel booted fine, and let me build a new custom kernel
[01:33:00] marmoset: (which I did as c3)
[01:33:00] mchou: cause it doesnt have complete i586 instructions.
[01:33:00] marmoset: it doesn't have complete 686
[01:34:00] dhofstra: wow I forgot how long myth takes to compile on an older system; I cant wait to compile the plugins
[01:34:00] marmoset: or, well, it does, but there's some things that use illegal 686 instructions (openssl and something else iirc)
[01:34:00] mchou: ok, I just remember it was damn funky.
[01:34:00] mchou: like more trouble than it was worth :)
[01:34:00] marmoset: seems like everything is Ok, just trying to get the hardware mpeg2 decoder working, and it's being a b itch
[01:34:00] marmoset: mchou: I'm going for a silent appliance :)
[01:35:00] marmoset: my shuttle is far too noisy
[01:35:00] mchou: marmoset: get an A64 then, probably as quite as epia (but bigger, of course)
[01:35:00] marmoset: heh
[01:35:00] marmoset: I doubt that :)
[01:35:00] mchou: get a mATX A64 :)
[01:35:00] mchou: marmoset: I kid you not.
[01:36:00] marmoset: you can run these fanless
[01:36:00] mchou: marmoset: you talk to Isaac? he said epias are loud, iirc.
[01:36:00] CygnusX1: marmoset, I have a 3500+ running at 86F right now (67F room temp) that is idle as well. Box is quiet.
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[01:37:00] mchou: 86F is what in celcius?
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[01:37:00] mchou: sounds hot to me :)
[01:37:00] Ralph: bomba_, I have a pvr 500 and it's very nice!
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[01:38:00] bomba_: cool
[01:38:00] marmoset: mchou: hard to say what an "epia" is, there's lots of different models, and different cases. If you've got a cpu/mobo with no fans, and a case with no fans, it's hard to be loud ;)
[01:38:00] bomba_: I had a 350 and bought a 250 back when the 150 stuff wasn't stable yet
[01:38:00] bomba_: err have a 350
[01:38:00] mchou: marmoset: you need at least one fan if you want your HDD to have a reasonable life :)
[01:39:00] marmoset: mchou: driveless
[01:39:00] bomba_: 350+250+500 = 1100!
[01:39:00] mchou: marmoset: ahh, nice.
[01:39:00] mchou: marmoset: netboot?
[01:39:00] marmoset: gonna get it all going on an old drive, then turn that into a netboot diskless machine
[01:39:00] marmoset: it's got CF too, I could do it off there if I wanted
[01:40:00] mchou: marmoset: is it fe only or be too?
[01:40:00] marmoset: fe
[01:40:00] marmoset: backend has 2x pvr 250s, a 500 that I've got to install, and a bunch of disk
[01:40:00] mchou: marmoset: why not use WinTV media appliance? :)
[01:41:00] marmoset: mchou: the hauppage thing?
[01:41:00] mchou: forget the name of the thingy.....
[01:41:00] mchou: yeah.
[01:41:00] marmoset: thought about it
[01:41:00] mchou: $80 street price, grey box.
[01:41:00] marmoset: but it doesn't do divx
[01:41:00] marmoset: only mpeg2
[01:41:00] mchou: marmoset: the plextor does divx :)
[01:41:00] marmoset: as a myth frontend?
[01:41:00] mchou: and Isaac addes support for that one I beleve.
[01:41:00] mchou: yup.
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[01:41:00] marmoset: cool
[01:42:00] mchou: first divx certified device :)
[01:42:00] mchou: bit more pricy iirc.
[01:42:00] marmoset: I'll be doing other things with this thing anyway (lcd + touchpad and cd ripping), but I may get some sort of thing like that for other rooms
[01:43:00] mchou: marmoset: http://www.plextor.com/english/products/TV402U.htm
[01:44:00] mchou: MSRP is 199, prob means street price around 150.....
[01:45:00] mchou: I was surprised to see that .18 myth-setup had an entry for this plextor thingy.
[01:45:00] marmoset: pricewatch has it around $190-$200
[01:45:00] mchou: for $199 I'd rather get an xbox :)
[01:47:00] mchou: sigh, myth is just too much work.
[01:47:00] marmoset: knoppmyth isn't too much work ;)
[01:48:00] mchou: directivo might have been a better deal :)
[01:48:00] fryfrog: haha
[01:48:00] fryfrog: anyone want to buy PVR250 cards for $80? :)
[01:48:00] marmoset: tivo is a better deal for sure, but it does a lot less
[01:48:00] CygnusX1: mchou, With your 150 in myth...what card type did you choose?
[01:48:00] mchou: CygnusX1: hmm?? say again? dont understand?
[01:49:00] CygnusX1: In MythTv capture card setup...what card type? Did you use the PVR250/350 option, or, the Standard VL4 type?
[01:49:00] mchou: CygnusX1: you dont need to choose a cardtype. modprobe ivtv should autodetect just fine.
[01:49:00] mchou: ahh: 250/350 :)
[01:49:00] CygnusX1: :-)
[01:50:00] mchou: marmoset: wth is a touchpad??
[01:50:00] mchou: like a laptop mouse thingy?
[01:52:00] mchou: marmoset: knoppmyth is a PITA to get BE and FE versioning synced.
[01:52:00] marmoset: mchou: oh, sorry, touchpad isn't really the best description. it's an lcd with keys attached to it. so I can operate it without keys
[01:52:00] marmoset: http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/631/index.html
[01:52:00] marmoset: mchou: I have no problems with a knoppmyth backend and multiple knoppmyth frontends
[01:53:00] mchou: bah, that's too much eye candy. a real distraction :)
[01:53:00] marmoset: hehe
[01:53:00] mchou: marmoset: that's probably cause you dont use cvs :)
[01:54:00] marmoset: no, of course not :)
[01:54:00] mchou: marmoset: release have been known to be "broken"
[01:54:00] mchou: releases*
[01:55:00] marmoset: they've worked fine for me
[01:55:00] mchou: like .18 commercial flagging got funky on me.
[01:55:00] ** marmoset not using .18 **
[01:57:00] mchou: damn, I bought lots of crap from CC this week.
[01:57:00] mchou: headly shop at CC at all.
[01:57:00] mchou: hardly*
[01:58:00] CygnusX1: Okay. Myth is complaining that something is using /dev/dsp
[01:58:00] mchou: lol :)
[01:58:00] mchou: probably arts or esd or some stupid thing.
[01:59:00] CygnusX1: arts, how do I kill it?
[01:59:00] mchou: man kill
[01:59:00] mchou: :)
[01:59:00] mchou: you should just turn it off permanently.
[01:59:00] riksta: damn 0.18
[01:59:00] CygnusX1: lol. permanently
[01:59:00] riksta: CygnusX1: what's funny about that
[02:00:00] mchou: CygnusX1: kcontrol, in sound settings.
[02:01:00] CygnusX1: I meant permanently when I asked :-) heh heh
[02:01:00] mchou: CygnusX1: simple. Dont use kde :)
[02:02:00] CygnusX1: I guess I could do up flux box :-)
[02:02:00] mchou: there you go.
[02:03:00] mchou: fryfrog: why would anyone in their right mind want to pay $80 for 250 when they can get 150 for $60 new?
[02:04:00] marmoset: mchou: better support, higher quality
[02:04:00] marmoset: from what I understand anyway
[02:04:00] mchou: higher quality??
[02:04:00] mchou: nah.
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[02:04:00] mchou: 150 is better quality.
[02:05:00] mchou: support may be valid, but I suspect that will be a non issue soon.
[02:05:00] rpete: haven't heard 150 is better quality, is the tuner better or what?
[02:05:00] marmoset: assuming the 500 is the same as two 150s, I'll compare quality tomorrow :)
[02:06:00] mchou: marmoset: where did you get 500 again? amazon?
[02:06:00] marmoset: mchou: yeah
[02:06:00] mchou: yeah, about 145 shipped, iirc.
[02:06:00] marmoset: when I got it yeah
[02:06:00] marmoset: they've gone up sinec then
[02:06:00] mchou: same now :)
[02:06:00] marmoset: coo
[02:06:00] marmoset: they had gone up to like 160
[02:06:00] mchou: nah.
[02:07:00] marmoset: they were two days ago
[02:07:00] mchou: I was tracking it on amazon for the last wk.
[02:07:00] mchou: I decided against 500 cause of that stupid bracket.
[02:07:00] marmoset: $152.95
[02:07:00] marmoset: is what it is now
[02:07:00] marmoset: I paid $140 with free shipping
[02:07:00] mchou: thay jack the price up on fridays (payday)
[02:08:00] marmoset: heh
[02:08:00] marmoset: it's been that price all week
[02:08:00] mchou: nah, its showed up as 143 for me all wk.
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[02:09:00] mchou: get a 500, the at least should provide the breakout box.
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[02:09:00] mchou: damn hauppauge.
[02:09:00] Ralph: what breakout box?
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[02:10:00] mchou: Ralph: additional svideo inputs.
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[02:10:00] Ralph: ah yeah there are no svideo inputs just svideo out right?
[02:10:00] Ralph: I don't even know, I use the coax input
[02:11:00] mchou: there is only one svid & composit on backplane.
[02:11:00] mchou: you want to use 2 svid you need breakout.
[02:13:00] mchou: rpete: the chips are better quality. higher bit ADC or some such thing.
[02:14:00] rpete: I know they're cheaper, but that's to be expected :-)
[02:14:00] [Klatuu1: hrmmm
[02:14:00] [Klatuu1: blank screen on watch tv
[02:15:00] [Klatuu1: is myth going to buffer before it trys to display live tv?
[02:15:00] Ralph: do you get picture with cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg
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[02:16:00] [Klatuu1: talking to me?
[02:16:00] Ralph: yes
[02:16:00] mchou: [Klatuu1: of course.
[02:16:00] [Klatuu1: I did last night
[02:16:00] Ralph: [Klatuu1, you do have a buffer partition right?
[02:17:00] [Klatuu1: I just have one 500 gig filesystem
[02:17:00] [Klatuu1: which it should all go to
[02:17:00] Ralph: damn wireless mouse keeps losing connection
[02:17:00] [Klatuu1: you need a logitech
[02:17:00] mchou: screw that.
[02:17:00] quink: any of you on gentoo have trouble compiling mythmusic ?
[02:18:00] mchou: you need a playstation 2 controller as renote control :)
[02:18:00] mchou: remote*
[02:18:00] [Klatuu1: lovely
[02:18:00] [Klatuu1: not I am getting video but no sound when I "cat /dev/video0 >test.mpg
[02:18:00] mchou: [Klatuu1: lol :)
[02:19:00] [Klatuu1: either i get video and no sound
[02:19:00] [Klatuu1: or I get sound but no video
[02:19:00] [Klatuu1: and when I get sound it is crackly
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[02:19:00] Ralph: what card do you have
[02:19:00] [Klatuu1: PVR-500
[02:19:00] Ralph: is it loading the HcwMakoA.ROM
[02:20:00] Ralph: what version of ivtv are you using
[02:20:00] mchou: [Klatuu1: do modinfo wm8775 and tell me where the location is :)
[02:21:00] mchou: same with modinfo cx25840 :)
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[02:22:00] [Klatuu1: location as far as what?
[02:22:00] [Klatuu1: yes it is loading the audio fw
[02:22:00] mchou: of the module, what else?
[02:22:00] mchou: like as in path.
[02:22:00] Ralph: modinfo doesn't show the path to either driver for me
[02:23:00] [Klatuu1: */lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r6/ivtv/wm8775.ko
[02:23:00] [Klatuu1: forget the *
[02:23:00] mchou: shit, of course it does :)
[02:23:00] [Klatuu1: * /lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r6/ivtv/cx25840.ko
[02:24:00] mchou: how about tuner?
[02:24:00] [Klatuu1: * /lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r6/ivtv/tuner.ko
[02:24:00] [Klatuu1: I cleaned out the kernel cruft already
[02:25:00] Ralph: launch the backend and frontend from a terminal and see what errors you get
[02:25:00] mchou: [Klatuu1: dont know what to tell ya :)
[02:25:00] [Klatuu1: I am launching from a terminal
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[02:25:00] [Klatuu1: and when the screen goes blank for live tv I can't get back to the myth menu
[02:25:00] [Klatuu1: so I have to give X the three finger salute
[02:25:00] Ralph: does it say anything about the live buffer not found
[02:26:00] [Klatuu1: I can't exit gracefully
[02:26:00] Ralph: if you let it sit long enough mythtv will exit to desktop
[02:26:00] Ralph: this has happened to me before
[02:26:00] Ralph: can't remember the exact situation tho
[02:26:00] [Klatuu1: I have turned the machine off
[02:26:00] [Klatuu1: and will let it cleanse itself
[02:26:00] [Klatuu1: is 500 gigs enough space?
[02:26:00] mchou: [Klatuu1: why dont you post your ivtv output in pastebin.....
[02:27:00] [Klatuu1: well
[02:27:00] mchou: [Klatuu1: depends on how much tv you record :)
[02:27:00] [Klatuu1: when I turn it back on I will try
[02:27:00] Ralph: II don't have any where near that
[02:27:00] CygnusX1: mchou, I am full of questions for you. What version oftranscode are you using?
[02:27:00] [Klatuu1: I have a server with a terabyte
[02:27:00] Ralph: my partition for movies is only 100 gig
[02:27:00] [Klatuu1: plus another terabyte across my network
[02:27:00] mchou: 100GB is nowhere near enough.
[02:28:00] Ralph: nope
[02:28:00] Ralph: but I delete my shows after I watch them so...
[02:28:00] mchou: 1TB on the other habd, should suffice for SDTV :)
[02:28:00] mchou: hand*
[02:28:00] mchou: probably not for HDTV.
[02:28:00] Ralph: I cant' afford a TB of disk space
[02:29:00] [Klatuu1: 4 250 gig drives
[02:29:00] Agrajag-: i only have 80gigs for my recordings
[02:29:00] Agrajag-: i use dvb
[02:29:00] Agrajag-: it's easily enough if i only keep a few shows
[02:29:00] Ralph: yep
[02:29:00] [Klatuu1: if I could record HDTV from DirecTV....
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[02:29:00] [Klatuu1: but then I would only be able to watch it on my computer
[02:29:00] Agrajag-: the hd channels can be up to 20mbit/sec
[02:30:00] mchou: [Klatuu1: nope, too bad. copy protected, those bastards.
[02:30:00] Agrajag-: i can't imagine having a terabyte :P
[02:30:00] [Klatuu1: hard drive space is cheap
[02:30:00] [Klatuu1: the 250 gig drives are at the sweet spot for cost right now
[02:30:00] Agrajag-: yeah but it's still not free
[02:30:00] mchou: lol :)
[02:30:00] Agrajag-: yeah.. 250 for $199AU
[02:30:00] Agrajag-: it's a good price, but it's still $200 :P
[02:30:00] [Klatuu1: $129 US
[02:31:00] [Klatuu1: cheaper if you look
[02:31:00] Ralph: I paid $50 for 120GB
[02:31:00] dem: i got a 250 matrox, for 39.99$ after mail-in rebate
[02:31:00] dem: online from compusa
[02:31:00] mchou: [Klatuu1: I dont by drives unless the are less than US$0.33/GB :)
[02:31:00] mchou: buy*
[02:31:00] [Klatuu1: I am using LVM2 to stripe and "bond" the drives
[02:31:00] Agrajag-: haha.. i guess drives are more expensive in .au then
[02:32:00] Agrajag-: well the $199 one was 250gig sata, 8mb cache
[02:32:00] mchou: [Klatuu1: where is the damn log?
[02:32:00] Agrajag-: 7200
[02:32:00] [Klatuu1: I have 2 of those in my myth box
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[02:32:00] [Klatuu]: there
[02:33:00] [Klatuu]: I feel whole
[02:33:00] [Klatuu]: I need a nice tower case
[02:33:00] [Klatuu]: to hold lots of drives
[02:33:00] [Klatuu]: damn IDE and SATA
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[02:33:00] [Klatuu]: I wish SATA were able to be daisy chained
[02:33:00] [Klatuu]: but no
[02:33:00] Agrajag-: hmm im not even sure how many sata drives my mobo can handle
[02:33:00] [Klatuu]: one drive per interface
[02:34:00] Agrajag-: probably enough
[02:34:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: you planning to show us your ivtv logs? :)
[02:34:00] [Klatuu]: why yes
[02:34:00] [Klatuu]: yes of course
[02:34:00] [Klatuu]: now that it is booted up again
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[02:35:00] mchou: rpete: http://www.conexant.com/products/entry.jsp?id=913 Two 10 bit A/D
[02:36:00] mchou: rpete: I think the equivalent chip on 250 is 8-bit.
[02:37:00] [Klatuu]: what is the URL?
[02:37:00] mchou: pastebin.com
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[02:38:00] [Klatuu]: http://pastebin.com/274797
[02:39:00] [Klatuu]: now I can rant about hard drive interfaces again
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[02:39:00] [Klatuu]: I really hate those faux raid things on motherboards
[02:39:00] [Klatuu]: like silicon image
[02:39:00] [Klatuu]: and the nvidia one
[02:39:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: wm8775: Failed to update register 0 (R23) with 2e00.
[02:39:00] mchou: that's not good.
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[02:40:00] [Klatuu]: what does that mean to me?
[02:40:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: sounds like there is some funky stuff going on with i2c.
[02:40:00] [Klatuu]: eye see
[02:40:00] mchou: It probably means ivtv devs need to do more work :)
[02:41:00] [Klatuu]: and what does the wm8775 thingiy do?
[02:41:00] Ralph: what are your options for ivtv module
[02:41:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: it's a wolfson DAC responsible for sound, I believe.
[02:42:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/digital_ . . . /?flash=true
[02:42:00] [Klatuu]: options cx25840 no_black_magic=1 i2c_enable=1
[02:42:00] [Klatuu]: alias char-major-81 videodev
[02:42:00] [Klatuu]: alias char-major-81–0 ivtv
[02:42:00] [Klatuu]: alias char-major-81–1 ivtv
[02:42:00] Ralph: and where did you get the HcwMakoA.ROM
[02:42:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: actually it's an audio ADC.
[02:42:00] [Klatuu]: from Haugpauge
[02:42:00] Ralph: you're not using the correct one
[02:43:00] [Klatuu]: which one should I use?
[02:43:00] [Klatuu]: I was getting sound last night with it
[02:43:00] Ralph: do you have the cd that came with the 500
[02:43:00] [Klatuu]: just crackly
[02:43:00] [Klatuu]: yes
[02:43:00] [Klatuu]: but I downloaded the latest CD stuff
[02:43:00] Ralph: that's not the recommended version
[02:44:00] [Klatuu]: ivtv: Encoder Firmware may be buggy, use version 0x02040011
[02:44:00] [Klatuu]: is that what you are talking about?
[02:44:00] Ralph: notice my version
[02:44:00] Ralph: cx25840: FW image '/lib/modules/HcwMakoA.ROM' of size 13883 loaded.
[02:44:00] mchou: Ralph: where is the recommended version?
[02:44:00] Ralph: see the size
[02:44:00] Ralph: on the cd
[02:45:00] Ralph: WinTV-PVR-150500MCE_2.0.18.22316_WHQL_signed/HcwMakoA.ROM
[02:45:00] Ralph: in that dir
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[02:46:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: also try options ivtv tuner=57,57 in modprobe.conf just for grins :)
[02:47:00] Ralph: options ivtv ivtv_std=0 tuner=57,57 tda9887=0,0 ivtv_debug=1
[02:47:00] Ralph: I have that line as well
[02:47:00] Ralph: and also: options saa7127 i2c_enable=-1
[02:47:00] [Klatuu]: I thought the saa was only for the 350
[02:47:00] Ralph: ivtv_std=0 is for ntsc
[02:48:00] mchou: yeah, same here :)
[02:48:00] Ralph: =1 for pal
[02:48:00] Ralph: notice -1
[02:48:00] Ralph: that means disable
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[02:48:00] Ralph: I'm not sure if all this is needed with the .3.3f driver
[02:49:00] Ralph: from what I heard you shouldn't need any options
[02:49:00] Ralph: should autodetect everything
[02:49:00] Ralph: but I haven't tried commenting out my options yet
[02:49:00] mchou: Ralph: weird, I dont even have that paramet as an option on my saa7127
[02:50:00] [Klatuu]: options cx25840 no_black_magic=1 i2c_enable=1
[02:50:00] [Klatuu]: alias char-major-81 videodev
[02:50:00] [Klatuu]: alias char-major-81–0 ivtv
[02:50:00] [Klatuu]: alias char-major-81–1 ivtv
[02:50:00] [Klatuu]: options saa7127 i2c_enable=-1
[02:50:00] [Klatuu]: options ivtv ivtv_std=0 tuner=57,57 tda9887=0,0 ivtv_debug=1
[02:50:00] [Klatuu]: that is what I have now
[02:50:00] mchou: Ralph: oh, never mind, yes I do.
[02:50:00] [Klatuu]: is that ok?
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[02:50:00] Ralph: it's funny I don't have alias char-major-81–1 ivtv but I still get both tuners working
[02:50:00] Ralph: that's what I have minux the 81–1 ivtv alias
[02:50:00] mchou: Ralph: parm: i2c_enable:which 150/350 cards to activate the saa7127, conflicts with cx25840 or pvr150
[02:50:00] Ralph: but I think it's supposed to be ther
[02:51:00] [Klatuu]: what rev PVR-500 do you have?
[02:51:00] Ralph: mchou, exactly that's why I'm disabling it
[02:51:00] mchou: that's only needed if he has another 150/250/350 in system.
[02:51:00] [Klatuu]: ugh
[02:51:00] [Klatuu]: I need more monitors
[02:52:00] Ralph: I don't have any other cards but use it anyway
[02:52:00] Ralph: tveeprom: Hauppauge: model = 23552, rev = D492, serial# = 7894397
[02:52:00] Ralph: tveeprom: tuner = Philips FQ1236A MK4 (idx = 92, type = 57)
[02:52:00] Ralph: tveeprom: tuner fmt = NTSC(M) (eeprom = 0x08, v4l2 = 0x00001000)
[02:52:00] Ralph: tveeprom: audio_processor = MSP3410D (type = 5)
[02:53:00] [Klatuu]: if that is your's then you have the same rev as me
[02:53:00] mchou: aha!!
[02:53:00] mchou: tveeprom: audio_processor = MSP3410D (type = 5)
[02:53:00] Ralph: yep that's mine
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[02:53:00] mchou: [Klatuu] does not seem to have that.....
[02:53:00] Ralph: yes he does
[02:53:00] mchou: now we know what the problem is :)
[02:53:00] Ralph: I'm looking at pastebin and that line is there
[02:54:00] [Klatuu]: tveeprom: audio_processor = MSP3410D (type = 5)
[02:54:00] [Klatuu]: what are you smoking
[02:54:00] mchou: line number?
[02:54:00] Ralph: 017
[02:54:00] [Klatuu]: 85 or 86
[02:55:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: give me path of modinfo msp3400
[02:55:00] Ralph: and also 85
[02:57:00] mchou: Ralph: so your 500 works perfect??
[02:57:00] mchou: Ralph: do you have any wm8775 errors like [Klatuu] ??
[02:58:00] Ralph: yes mine works fine
[02:58:00] mchou: so you have anothe x50 in the system?
[02:58:00] mchou: another*
[02:59:00] Ralph: no just the single 500
[02:59:00] Ralph: only wm8775 lines I have are:
[02:59:00] Ralph: ivtv: i2c attach [client=wm8775[50],ok]
[02:59:00] Ralph: ivtv: i2c attach [client=wm8775[50],ok]
[02:59:00] mchou: Ralph: so why do you need all those i2c options and whatnot?
[03:00:00] mchou: Ralph: you can do away with them.
[03:00:00] Ralph: they were needed when I was using ivtv-0.3.2s and I've never removed them
[03:00:00] mchou: ok, bbl, off to CC
[03:00:00] mchou: get anothe 150 :)
[03:00:00] mchou: another*
[03:01:00] Ralph: another?
[03:01:00] mchou: yup.
[03:01:00] Ralph: wait for the 500 to go on sale
[03:01:00] mchou: $60 for retail cant be beat :)
[03:01:00] Ralph: 150's take up too many pci slots ;)
[03:01:00] mchou: Ralph: That might be a long wait :)
[03:02:00] mchou: I'll cross that bridge when necessary :)
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[03:02:00] Ralph: the extra $20 it costs for the 500 is well worth it for a single pci card
[03:02:00] mchou: this should be my last investment on ntsc.
[03:02:00] rpete: hardware encoder for $60 does seem like a steal
[03:02:00] mchou: Ralph: not if you factor in breakout box and irblaster :)
[03:03:00] Ralph: those come with the 150?
[03:03:00] Ralph: if so then my next purchase will be a 150
[03:03:00] mchou: yup, retail version come with irblaster, no need for breakout :)
[03:03:00] Ralph: only thing I'm lacking is irblaster and remote in order to hook up to tv
[03:03:00] mchou: Ralph: go to CC right now. $60 AR. lat day, I believe.
[03:04:00] mchou: last*
[03:04:00] Ralph: 10pm here
[03:04:00] mchou: oops!
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[03:04:00] Ralph: and I can't leave ;) wife's working and has the minivan, I can't load all 5 kids in my work van
[03:04:00] Ralph: with only 2 seats
[03:05:00] mchou: Ralph: buy it online and arrange local pickup.
[03:05:00] mchou: stiil possible.
[03:05:00] mchou: still*
[03:06:00] Ralph: I'll have to check it out
[03:06:00] mchou: later :)
[03:06:00] CygnusX1: I am having problems compiling transcoder due to issue with libavcodec.
[03:06:00] Ralph: I'm getting a pchdtv 3000 as well
[03:07:00] Ralph: what issues
[03:08:00] [Klatuu]: ok
[03:08:00] [Klatuu]: where were we
[03:08:00] CygnusX1: Ralph, it is telling me it can't find libavcodec (I installed ffmpeg from CVS and also tried the last stable release_)
[03:08:00] CygnusX1: enable-shared....is that what I am missing?
[03:08:00] [Klatuu]: toaster is now powering on
[03:09:00] Ralph: are you telling configure where to find ffmpeg (if you installed to an abnormal location)
[03:09:00] Ralph: or libavcodec rather
[03:09:00] CygnusX1: ffmpeg went to /usr/local/bin
[03:09:00] CygnusX1: I have no idea where libavcodec went.
[03:10:00] Ralph: do you infact have libavcodec installed
[03:11:00] CygnusX1: Ralph, is that installed by ffmpeg? (That is why I grabbed ffmpeg...I thought it came with it)
[03:12:00] CygnusX1: I think I need the enable-shared option. Sometimes ya just need to holler before you bang your head against the right wall
[03:12:00] [Klatuu]: I made all those changed
[03:12:00] [Klatuu]: changes
[03:12:00] [Klatuu]: i2c_adapter i2c-1: I2C level transfers not supported
[03:12:00] [Klatuu]: wm8775: Failed to update register 0 (R23) with 2e00.
[03:12:00] [Klatuu]: i2c_adapter i2c-1: I2C level transfers not supported
[03:12:00] [Klatuu]: still there
[03:14:00] Ralph: what's the path to msp3400.ko
[03:14:00] Ralph: yes looks like libavcodec is includeded with FFmpeg
[03:15:00] [Klatuu]: * /lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r6/ivtv/msp3400.ko
[03:15:00] Ralph: as it should be
[03:15:00] Ralph: hmmm
[03:15:00] Ralph: what does terminal tell you when you watch live tv
[03:16:00] CygnusX1: Okay...I did --enable-shared and it lloks like it went to /usr/local/lib/
[03:16:00] [Klatuu]: when I try and view live tv all I get is a blank screen
[03:16:00] [Klatuu]: and it wont back out
[03:17:00] Ralph: mine always did after about 10–20 secs
[03:18:00] Ralph: mythtv would crash
[03:21:00] [Klatuu]: I got a burst of static
[03:21:00] [Klatuu]: and a black screen
[03:21:00] [Klatuu]: is there a way to start mythfrontend so it logs to a file?
[03:22:00] CygnusX1: Ralph, enable-shared did the trick. Thank you.
[03:22:00] Ralph: CygnusX1, you figured that out by yourself ;)
[03:22:00] CygnusX1: LOL. You were a BIG help though!
[03:23:00] [Klatuu]: doesn't seem to want to backout
[03:24:00] Ralph: can you ssh into the box
[03:24:00] Ralph: or alt tab from the mythtv to look at the terminal
[03:24:00] [Klatuu]: I got it
[03:24:00] [Klatuu]: it is timing out waiting for a free video buffer
[03:24:00] Ralph: that's your live tv buffer
[03:25:00] Ralph: create a 10 gig partition to be used just for live tv and set the proper path in the mythtv setup
[03:26:00] [Klatuu]: why do I need a seperate partition?
[03:26:00] Ralph: and the user launching mythfrontend must have write permisions to the path
[03:26:00] dhofstra: seeing this on one of my frontends.. any idea where it came from? "QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty" ... doesnt seem to hurt anything
[03:26:00] Ralph: so nothing trys to write to the area being used for the live tv buffer while you are watching live tv
[03:27:00] [Klatuu]: I have a sep directory
[03:27:00] [Klatuu]: "/media/video/buffer
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[03:28:00] jasoncohen: has anyone been doing updates to the visor theme? The program listings page no longer highlights shows that will be recording and I was wondering what I would have to edit to fix the problem.
[03:30:00] [Klatuu]: that really fixed it
[03:30:00] [Klatuu]: grrrr
[03:31:00] ikaro: ill try to make a theme soon, ive been poking with the idea :>
[03:31:00] [Klatuu]: I tried running it as root
[03:31:00] [Klatuu]: and it locked up
[03:33:00] Ralph: well I had the waiting for a free video buffer error and I created a 10 gig partition, mounted it and set the path for it in mythtv and the error went away and tv worked
[03:34:00] [Klatuu]: hrnnn
[03:34:00] [Klatuu]: weird
[03:34:00] [Klatuu]: how many mins is 10 gigs?
[03:36:00] [Klatuu]: grr
[03:36:00] [Klatuu]: I fergot to stripe
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[03:41:00] [Klatuu]: ok
[03:41:00] [Klatuu]: I added a 20 gig partition
[03:41:00] [Klatuu]: now to see if this works
[03:45:00] [Klatuu]: nope
[03:47:00] [Klatuu]: now I still get the buffer message
[03:47:00] [Klatuu]: but now I get remote encoder not responding
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[03:49:00] [Klatuu]: I feel so alone
[03:50:00] Cromz: why?
[03:50:00] [Klatuu]: no one is talking
[03:50:00] Cromz: Klatuu Verata Nikto :P
[03:50:00] [Klatuu]: and I still have no sound
[03:51:00] Cromz: sorry I'm a newb to myth. but I'm a hardware tech. still learning linux and myth and cups printing and and and and :/
[03:51:00] darkfrog: I just completely rebuilt my MythTV box and I just have one thing left to make work, I remember when I configured it before I had to "nice" something to make my lirc commands send properly to my DishNetwork receiver, but I can't remember what.
[03:51:00] darkfrog: [Klatuu], what's the problem?
[03:51:00] [Klatuu]: I have oh so many things to do
[03:51:00] [Klatuu]: video but no sound
[03:51:00] [Klatuu]: nothing in myth
[03:51:00] darkfrog: Fedora?
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[03:52:00] [Klatuu]: gentoo
[03:52:00] Cromz: darkfrog: hmm hmm hmm was it in the /usr/local/bin/change_chan.sh script? the wait commands? maybe..
[03:52:00] darkfrog: not sure if I'd be any help
[03:52:00] ikaro: [klatuu], alsa or oss ?
[03:53:00] darkfrog: Cromz, no, that's configured, I have to "nice" it so it has a higher priority (Dish receivers are very sensitive about receiving commands in a prompt fashion)
[03:53:00] [Klatuu]: alsa
[03:53:00] [Klatuu]: sound works
[03:53:00] [Klatuu]: just not from the pvr-500
[03:53:00] Cromz: darkfrog: oh.. :/
[03:54:00] ikaro: [klatuu], so you have a cable jacked into the pvr for sound?
[03:54:00] ikaro: or using the soundcard in your box ?
[03:54:00] [Klatuu]: I have an s-video cable and the audio cables connected to the PVR-500
[03:55:00] ikaro: okey
[03:55:00] ikaro: can't help then.
[03:55:00] [Klatuu]: the problem is deeper
[03:56:00] [Klatuu]: thanks anyway
[03:56:00] ikaro: i use the onboard sound connected to an external amp.
[03:56:00] ikaro: workds pretty well.
[03:57:00] Ralph: did you mount your buffer partition
[03:58:00] Ralph: did you run mythtv-setup and point your live tv buffer to that mount point
[03:58:00] Ralph: are the permissions correct for the user to write to the dir
[03:59:00] [Klatuu]: I have 777 across the board for the buffer directory
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[04:00:00] [Klatuu]: hrmmm
[04:00:00] [Klatuu]: I want steak
[04:02:00] [Klatuu]: luckily my Tivo works
[04:03:00] Cromz: sacralidgous :P ( or how evah you speel it )
[04:04:00] [Klatuu]: at least I can record the raw directv streams with it
[04:04:00] Cromz: :)
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[04:09:00] JoeyLemur: Anyone have a Macro Image Technology MDR-200, by chance?
[04:09:00] ikaro: wonderfull Xorg hardlocks , hmm love them.
[04:10:00] jasoncohen: does anyone know what i would have to edit in the visor theme to fix the program listing so that upcoming shows are highlighted?
[04:13:00] [Klatuu]: I haven't got that far yet
[04:13:00] [Klatuu]: I would be happy to have sound an picture
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[04:45:00] [Klatuu]: grrrr
[04:45:00] [Klatuu]: why the hell isn't this working
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[04:56:00] CygnusX1: Does anyone know why the following line seems to be invalid in current distros? add above ivtv lirc_dev lirc_i2c
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[05:03:00] xanderp: is the mythweather 'map' broken now? I used to get them, but now it's always 'unavailable'
[05:05:00] [Klatuu]: time to try the latest ivtv
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[05:05:00] xanderp: have they fixed closed captions on the pvrx50's yet?
[05:06:00] quink: anyone using gentoo here?
[05:06:00] [Klatuu]: me
[05:06:00] xanderp: quink: whatcha need?
[05:06:00] quink: get mythmusic to compile?
[05:06:00] quink: i get some aac related stuff errors
[05:06:00] quink: ever since .17-r2
[05:07:00] xanderp: mine never would compile UNTIL -r2!
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[05:07:00] quink: t/3/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/cdda -I/usr/qt/3/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -o cddecoder.o cddecoder.cpp
[05:07:00] quink: make[2]: *** [aacdecoder.o] Error 1
[05:07:00] quink: make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[05:07:00] quink: after that it craps out
[05:08:00] xanderp: what's this 'spidermonkey' i'm seeing now when i check for outdated packages? I don't remember installing any monkies in my system...
[05:09:00] quink: no one has any clue?
[05:09:00] CygnusX1: Anyone know why I could compile lirc, irw, it works, then never again?
[05:09:00] [Klatuu]: I haven't tried to compile it lately
[05:09:00] xanderp: sorry...
[05:09:00] [Klatuu]: search on bugs.gentoo.org
[05:09:00] [Klatuu]: someone else may have the same problem
[05:11:00] quink: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-305217-h . . . thmusic.html
[05:11:00] quink: thats what i haev found, but i don't really know what to do
[05:13:00] [Klatuu]: check the other site
[05:13:00] xanderp: here's a weird one... my pvrx50 recordings get MUCH larger if i transcode them... odd...
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[05:13:00] xanderp: off to check the changelog for .18
[05:14:00] quink: where is the temporary build directory stuff for portage located by d\efault?
[05:15:00] [Klatuu]: "/var/tmp/portage
[05:15:00] quink: thanks
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[05:19:00] quink: btw any of you nkow places to cehck to see why a linux system locked up or crashed?
[05:20:00] [Klatuu]: not unless you know how to do kernel dumps
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[05:28:00] [Klatuu]: I think I may have found my problem
[05:29:00] [Klatuu]: 4KSTACKS
[05:29:00] [Klatuu]: i2c don't like it
[05:29:00] quink: when i did use=-aac it worked
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[05:34:00] [Klatuu]: sounds about right
[05:34:00] [Klatuu]: do you have aac installed?
[05:35:00] ** Beirdo is enjoying some Chicago... **
[05:36:00] [Klatuu]: try playing it backwards
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[05:36:00] [Klatuu]: devil music
[05:36:00] Beirdo: whatever
[05:37:00] rpete: I like my satanic lyrics conscience
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[05:37:00] xanderp: ever since i switched to spdif audio it is VERY crackly
[05:37:00] Beirdo: so switch back
[05:37:00] xanderp: need spdif to use the audio inputs on my system
[05:38:00] xanderp: i'm wondering if it's due to different recording rate/playback rate or something....
[05:38:00] Beirdo: crackly audio is often just clipping
[05:39:00] xanderp: source audio too loud?
[05:41:00] Beirdo: or anywhere in the mixer chain
[05:41:00] xanderp: ahh i should back my mixer levels down a bit and test aye?
[05:41:00] Beirdo: yes
[05:41:00] Beirdo: if you have them at 100%, shame on you
[05:41:00] xanderp: (i think they are probably all maxed out...) (sheepish grin)
[05:41:00] Beirdo: 80–90% max
[05:42:00] xanderp: i was wondering why my myth box is about 30% louder than standard tv through the same tuner...
[05:42:00] Beirdo: hehe
[05:42:00] Beirdo: because you told it to be :)
[05:43:00] xanderp: the wife is like 'wholly crap that's loud'
[05:43:00] xanderp: (when swapping from straight tv to the box)
[05:43:00] Beirdo: hehe
[05:44:00] xanderp: I got my bluetooth keyboard and mouse to work, but can't get them to 'automagically' link up with the gentoo. i have to manually run hidd --search and do a reset on the devices to get them to link after they have gone into sleep mode... pissing me off...
[05:45:00] xanderp: amazing how much faster my amd64 mythtv box is than my P4 box for compiling... totally amazing.
[05:46:00] xanderp: if only i was smart enough to get distributed cross compiling to work, i'd be in business!
[05:46:00] mchou: xanderp: relative speed of cpu?
[05:46:00] fryfrog: anyone know anything about google's adsense?
[05:47:00] xanderp: the P4 is a 2ghz and the amd64 is a 3400+ box
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[05:48:00] mchou: xanderp: is A64 1.7 times faster at compiling then? :)
[05:48:00] mchou: (3.4/2)=1.7 :)
[05:49:00] xanderp: seems faster than that, but i've not timed it. my precise scientific measurement of the difference would be 'a whole freaking lot'
[05:49:00] fryfrog: haha
[05:49:00] mchou: be interesting to see elapsed time for same tasks on both procs.
[05:49:00] fryfrog: are you using real amd64 mode?
[05:49:00] fryfrog: i mean, 64bit libs and such?
[05:49:00] xanderp: yes and no...
[05:49:00] fryfrog: I could offer you speeds for things on a 1600+ :)
[05:50:00] fryfrog: but that'd be slllloooooooowwwwwww
[05:50:00] xanderp: fryfrog: this is the box you helped me get going a while back... (you remote reinstalled me from scratch)
[05:50:00] mchou: oh oh, backdoor :)
[05:51:00] fryfrog: oh, really?
[05:51:00] fryfrog: did you watch me on screen?
[05:51:00] xanderp: oh well... so he swipes my recordings of smallville! :)
[05:51:00] xanderp: yup
[05:51:00] mchou: yup :)
[05:51:00] fryfrog: i think i've only done 1 or 2 of those, but my memory is quite bad :)
[05:51:00] fryfrog: what distro?
[05:51:00] fryfrog: rh?
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[05:51:00] xanderp: gentoo
[05:52:00] fryfrog: ohhh
[05:52:00] mchou: how do you do a remot install if OS isn't working? :)
[05:52:00] mchou: remote*
[05:52:00] fryfrog: i think i just "tweaked" it
[05:52:00] xanderp: os was up buy fubar
[05:52:00] fryfrog: but i do it all the time with gentoo live boot cd
[05:52:00] xanderp: buy=but
[05:52:00] fryfrog: boot, change root pw, start sshd :)
[05:53:00] xanderp: fryfrog got in and swapped my kernel version over to dev and cleaned up my ivtv problems
[05:53:00] fryfrog: (by dev he means 2.6.x)
[05:53:00] mchou: hehe.
[05:53:00] xanderp: did they stop calling it dev? i've not been paying attention
[05:53:00] mchou: then he is right to use that terminology :)
[05:53:00] fryfrog: i installed 2005.0 from scratch the other day, the docs are improving :)
[05:54:00] mchou: 2005.0??
[05:54:00] fryfrog: well, in gentoo its called "gentoo-dev-sources"
[05:54:00] mchou: wth is that?
[05:54:00] fryfrog: but now just "gentoo-sources"
[05:54:00] fryfrog: their installer boot cd version
[05:54:00] fryfrog: i think its Year.Quarter
[05:54:00] mchou: bah, gentoo is a real waste of time :)
[05:55:00] fryfrog: yup, processor time :)
[05:55:00] xanderp: my understanding was that gentoo-dev-sources was the more 'bleeding edge' collection
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[05:55:00] fryfrog: kinda sorta
[05:55:00] fryfrog: gentoo-sources used to be the 2.4 series
[05:55:00] fryfrog: gentoo-dev-sources was the 2.6 series
[05:56:00] mchou: anybody here watch the show House, M.D. here?
[05:56:00] fryfrog: at some point, 2.6 was considered "dev" but now a days its just normal
[05:56:00] fryfrog: no, is it any good?
[05:56:00] mchou: I like it.
[05:56:00] fryfrog: I've so many shows to watch as it is :(
[05:56:00] mchou: much better than ER and the like.
[05:56:00] xanderp: have the developers got closed captions to work for the PVRx50's yet?
[05:56:00] fryfrog: really?
[05:56:00] mchou: yup.
[05:56:00] fryfrog: is it a drama or a realistic ER thing?
[05:57:00] mchou: directed by the same guy who directs "the usual suspects"
[05:57:00] xanderp: real ER shows turn my stomach
[05:57:00] mchou: kayser soze :)
[05:57:00] fryfrog: bah, search for "House" returns to much crap
[05:57:00] mchou: House, M.D.
[05:57:00] fryfrog: what day is it on?
[05:57:00] xanderp: looking inside someone's chest and seeing their organs 'functioning' isn't my idea of entertainment
[05:57:00] mchou: umm, monday or tues, dont remember.
[05:57:00] fryfrog: network?
[05:58:00] mchou: Fox
[05:58:00] xanderp: we're currently experiencing the after-effects of a tornado that passed through earlier today... (hail and all)
[05:58:00] mchou: only shows I watch on Fox are simpsons, 24, and House.
[05:58:00] mchou: xanderp: where is this?
[05:58:00] fryfrog: Lost is my fav :)
[05:58:00] xanderp: indianapolis area
[05:59:00] xanderp: damn hail dents up the cars...
[05:59:00] mchou: fryfrog: is that a "reality" show?
[05:59:00] fryfrog: ...
[05:59:00] fryfrog: you haven't heard of "Lost" on abc?
[05:59:00] mchou: nope.
[06:00:00] xanderp: imagine a golfball downpour while you are driving down the highway... not good, not good at all
[06:00:00] fryfrog: Its about a plane full of people who crashed on a deserted island
[06:00:00] [Klatuu]: dangit
[06:00:00] [Klatuu]: that still didn't fix it
[06:00:00] mchou: I mean I heard it but they never said what it was about, so I didnt pay attention.
[06:00:00] fryfrog: ah
[06:00:00] fryfrog: i think if you like 24, you'd prolly like lost
[06:01:00] fryfrog: i mean, they aren't remotly related
[06:01:00] fryfrog: but you seem to like the shows i do :)
[06:01:00] mchou: what's so exciting about being stranded on an island? :)
[06:01:00] fryfrog: i couldn't really tell you w/o giving away a lot of the show
[06:01:00] fryfrog: which would ruin what is good about it
[06:01:00] mchou: I'm there is nothing to do except have sex all the time :)
[06:01:00] fryfrog: but it IS a real show, not a reality show in any way
[06:01:00] mchou: mean*
[06:02:00] fryfrog: ahha, thats just what you and me would do :)
[06:02:00] fryfrog: then we'd starve after a few days :)
[06:02:00] mchou: and maybe go fishing for food once in a while :)
[06:02:00] fryfrog: i believe (and i could be wrong) that EACH episode has a different director
[06:02:00] fryfrog: that contributes quite strongly to a very ummm
[06:02:00] fryfrog: maybe a subtle difference in each episode?
[06:02:00] [Klatuu]: still no sound
[06:03:00] mchou: I dunno, prmise doesnt strike me as all that interesting.
[06:03:00] fryfrog: while still carying forward an interesting plot
[06:03:00] mchou: premise*
[06:03:00] fryfrog: watch the first 2 or 3 eps, its easy to decide if you like it or not
[06:03:00] fryfrog: you like BSG?
[06:03:00] mchou: hell no.
[06:03:00] fryfrog: the new bsg???
[06:03:00] mchou: that show sucks.
[06:03:00] mchou: yup.
[06:03:00] fryfrog: wow
[06:04:00] xanderp: Klatuu barada nikto, GORT offers you his protection!
[06:04:00] fryfrog: well, so you like some shows i do and some not!
[06:04:00] mchou: Too much evangelical psycho-babble.
[06:04:00] fryfrog: haha
[06:04:00] fryfrog: i love that :)
[06:04:00] mchou: Baltar's "imaginary friend" gets real annoying.
[06:04:00] fryfrog: well, to each their own :)
[06:04:00] xanderp: what's bsg?
[06:05:00] fryfrog: Battle Star Gallactica
[06:05:00] fryfrog: Galactica
[06:05:00] fryfrog: what ever
[06:05:00] xanderp: ahh
[06:05:00] mchou: First season of BSG is mediocre at best.
[06:05:00] fryfrog: I thought it was excelent :)
[06:05:00] xanderp: i never watched it... the original movie, but not the tv show
[06:05:00] fryfrog: though, i strongly miss the robots :(
[06:06:00] fryfrog: SciFi has a BSG remake
[06:06:00] mchou: even if I have a crush on the Korean chick (all 20 of them) :)
[06:06:00] fryfrog: its quite different from the original
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[06:06:00] fryfrog: mmmm, she cute!
[06:06:00] duckeo: anyone know what's going on with bttv/bt878 support in the 2.6 kernel?
[06:06:00] mchou: duckeo: orks just fine for me.
[06:06:00] fryfrog: duckeo: in relation to what? that its there?
[06:06:00] duckeo: i can't see the option in 2.6.9 – 2.6.10
[06:06:00] xanderp: was the new star trek series enterprise any good? never got around to watching it.
[06:06:00] mchou: works*
[06:06:00] duckeo: which kernel is everyone using?
[06:07:00] CygnusX1: Bah!! I want to go lie down and surf. lirc is irking me.
[06:07:00] fryfrog: i've seen it in every version of 2.6.x that i've used
[06:07:00] mchou: duckeo: you need to turn on i2c :)
[06:07:00] fryfrog: i need it for ivtv's tuner module
[06:07:00] duckeo: oo
[06:07:00] mchou: duckeo: to see the bttv option, that is.
[06:07:00] duckeo: what's i2c under?
[06:07:00] fryfrog: what other shows do you like mchou ?
[06:08:00] mchou: Drivers, I think.
[06:08:00] xanderp: should closed captions work now?
[06:08:00] xanderp: ivtv that is
[06:08:00] CygnusX1: Is there a channel for lirc issues? :-)
[06:09:00] fryfrog: #kisslircass? :)
[06:09:00] CygnusX1: :-)
[06:09:00] mchou: fryfrog: that's pretty much it. House, 24, Raymond (but that's getting stale), and a lot of PBS stuff (Nova, American Experience).
[06:09:00] fryfrog: ah
[06:09:00] duckeo: anything else i should be turning on first?
[06:09:00] fryfrog: I loved farscape
[06:09:00] fryfrog: wish it had gone on maybe 1 more season
[06:10:00] fryfrog: though it was starting to suck :/
[06:10:00] xanderp: i used to like early edition
[06:10:00] fryfrog: i missed zan
[06:10:00] mchou: Sometimes I watch "American Chopper" on discovery just for grins.
[06:10:00] fryfrog: hehe
[06:10:00] fryfrog: I like modern marvals :)
[06:10:00] mchou: see the teutels argue :)
[06:10:00] duckeo: i see bt878 in 2.6.11.7, but it freezes when booting up the bttv section
[06:10:00] xanderp: i like all the 'men making stuff' shows
[06:10:00] fryfrog: make it as a module instead
[06:11:00] xanderp: my favorite 'guy' show now is mythbusters
[06:11:00] mchou: xanderp: how about "men destroying stuff" shows?
[06:11:00] fryfrog: thats a good show :)
[06:11:00] xanderp: ah yeah!
[06:12:00] duckeo: also do I need to specify a dvb frontend?
[06:12:00] xanderp: hmmm.. well according to our calculations 2oz of this will cause a small explosion. What we have here is approximately 200 pounds. Kids, do not try this at home, we are professionals!
[06:12:00] mchou: duckeo: where are you from?
[06:12:00] duckeo: my card has a nxt 6000 chip in it too, but I don't see that option in the kernel
[06:12:00] duckeo: it's just the header for it
[06:12:00] duckeo: mchou: sydney, australia
[06:13:00] mchou: duckeo: you need to d/l linux-dtv latest.
[06:13:00] xanderp: you all on .18?
[06:13:00] duckeo: kernel patch?
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[06:13:00] mchou: or kernel >2.6.11rc3
[06:14:00] duckeo: i've got 2.6.11.7 atm
[06:14:00] mchou: >=
[06:14:00] duckeo: the header for it is there, nxt6000
[06:14:00] duckeo: but no option underneath it
[06:14:00] mchou: well, NXT6000 should be working in there.
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[06:14:00] xanderp: seems like if i watch the releases like a hawk nothing gets released, then if i leave the box alone for a week i'm like 3 versions behind... Aughh!
[06:14:00] duckeo: is there something else I need to enable first?
[06:14:00] mchou: that's cause it's not "settable", but it will compile.
[06:14:00] duckeo: ah
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[06:15:00] mchou: fryfrog: I also watch wold poker tour :)
[06:15:00] mchou: world*
[06:15:00] xanderp: thinking of getting wine up and running on my myth box so my kid can play her windows kid games on the tv...
[06:16:00] mchou: duckeo: what make is this card you got with nxt and bttv?
[06:17:00] mchou: is this technisat card?
[06:17:00] xanderp: is the pvr150 supported by current ivtv, or is it still a pain in the arse to get to work?
[06:18:00] mchou: works like a charm for me (on 2.6) 2.4 is a PITA.
[06:18:00] mchou: it's finally getting "respectable"
[06:19:00] xanderp: i'm on 2.6 just afraid to put my 2 pvr150's in my box with the 350 and tinker to get it to work (don't want to screw up the box that is currently working!)
[06:19:00] mchou: xanderp: bah, where is your sense of adenture!
[06:19:00] Agrajag-: anyone else find that after transcoding, a/v sync is out by quite a bit?
[06:19:00] mchou: and plenty ppl have that conbo working.
[06:19:00] mchou: combo*
[06:20:00] xanderp: anyone else find that after transcoding, file size is about 10 times bigger? (i screwed something up bad, really bad)
[06:21:00] xanderp: do you know if it matters what order the cards appear in the pci bus?
[06:22:00] xanderp: maybe after i get done updating my system i'll put in those 2 cards...
[06:24:00] mchou: lol, why would you want to do that?? Chane one thing at a time.
[06:24:00] mchou: change*
[06:24:00] mchou: that way you can easily revert.
[06:24:00] xanderp: i mean i'm currently getting my system back 'up to date' after that i may put in the other cards
[06:24:00] mchou: you more likely to screw up system after upgrade.
[06:25:00] mchou: what's gets "up to date?"
[06:25:00] mchou: what*
[06:25:00] xanderp: just doing an emerge --update --deep world to get all my packages up to 'today'
[06:26:00] duckeo: hm
[06:26:00] duckeo: mchou: it's a visionplus/twinhan
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[06:26:00] duckeo: dvb-t , pci card
[06:26:00] xanderp: anyone here use closed captions on the pvrx50's?
[06:27:00] duckeo: now it's freezing on hotplug service if i leave the dvb card plugged in
[06:27:00] mchou: duckeo: hmm???
[06:28:00] mchou: try turning off the hot plug service then :)
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[06:28:00] mchou: xanderp: that's ridiculous.
[06:28:00] xanderp: ??
[06:28:00] mchou: setting yourself up for failure.
[06:29:00] xanderp: closed caption?
[06:29:00] xanderp: or the update world?
[06:29:00] mchou: You know your system is working, why would you upgrade?
[06:29:00] mchou: update worls.
[06:29:00] fryfrog: update, not upgrade :)
[06:29:00] mchou: update world*
[06:29:00] mchou: what's the diff?
[06:30:00] mchou: update==upgrade
[06:30:00] xanderp: update puts your packages at the latest stable version
[06:30:00] mchou: lol, that upgrade in my book.
[06:30:00] mchou: anyway, it's your box.
[06:31:00] mchou: do whatever you want :)
[06:31:00] xanderp: it has fixed ALOT of problems for me... ones that made me scream and hit things thinking i was stupid... only to realize there was a problem in the software
[06:31:00] mchou: I just think that's unwise is all.
[06:31:00] xanderp: like the mythmusic problem
[06:31:00] xanderp: couldn't get it to compile to save my ass then they came out with a -r2 and it works like a champ
[06:32:00] xanderp: nothing was wrong on my box, the installer scripts needed fixed
[06:32:00] fryfrog: xanderp: did you update to 0.18?
[06:33:00] xanderp: doing it now
[06:33:00] xanderp: how fresh is it?
[06:33:00] fryfrog: fresh?
[06:33:00] fryfrog: oh its still masked by ~x86 i think
[06:34:00] fryfrog: i forget, do you run ~x86 or x86?
[06:34:00] duckeo: chmod -x rc.hotplug
[06:34:00] fryfrog: oh, wait ~amd64?
[06:34:00] duckeo: to disable the service right?
[06:34:00] xanderp: amd64
[06:34:00] fryfrog: ah
[06:34:00] xanderp: so, lots of ~amd64's and ~x86 for me ;)
[06:35:00] fryfrog: ah
[06:35:00] fryfrog: in package.unmask?
[06:35:00] xanderp: ~ only on what i HAVE to... yep
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[06:36:00] xanderp: i tried a make.conf ~amd64 but it was REALLY unstable
[06:36:00] [Klatuu]: why is this not working
[06:37:00] duckeo: :( 'modprobe bttv' hangs the system
[06:37:00] duckeo: grr
[06:37:00] xanderp: [Klatuu] says he comes in peace, but I know he's really here to steal all our hot 'earth girls' and take them back to his planet...
[06:38:00] [Klatuu]: if you only knew the truth
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[06:39:00] xanderp: it's ok, I don't mind aliens... as long as they don't kill us humans before we get a chance to do it to ourselves...
[06:39:00] [Klatuu]: I should destroy the planet because I can't get sound
[06:39:00] [Klatuu]: wm8775: Failed to update register 0 (R23) with 2e00.
[06:39:00] [Klatuu]: anyone have any idea of what causes that?
[06:39:00] xanderp: bad mexican food?
[06:40:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: you've been asking this for days :)
[06:40:00] [Klatuu]: I know
[06:40:00] [Klatuu]: when you figure it out
[06:40:00] [Klatuu]: I will stop asking
[06:40:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: take a rest :)
[06:40:00] [Klatuu]: I only have one more day off
[06:40:00] mchou: keep yer mind fresh :)
[06:40:00] [Klatuu]: I want to have a success
[06:40:00] mchou: lol.
[06:40:00] mchou: Go talk to Yoda then :)
[06:40:00] xanderp: [Klatuu] the secret is banging the rocks together (anyone know where that is from?)
[06:41:00] mchou: "There is no try. There is only do, or do not."
[06:42:00] xanderp: MINE! or i will help you not!
[06:42:00] mchou: and no, I'm not going to pay to see the last Star Wars.
[06:42:00] mchou: Lucas ran out of steam long ago.
[06:42:00] xanderp: the dark side is strong in this one...
[06:43:00] xanderp: Lucas just needs more midgets... he has a fetish for midgets. If he could get like 5000 midgets he could make a REALLY AWESOME movie...
[06:43:00] [Klatuu]: I only have so much time to get this done begore I have to work
[06:44:00] [Klatuu]: before
[06:44:00] mchou: xanderp: no, he needs jar jar apparently.
[06:44:00] xanderp: (*&$&! jar jar!
[06:44:00] mchou: jar jar was really bad taste.
[06:45:00] mchou: so was that buzzing junkyard dealer.....
[06:45:00] xanderp: Meesah jar jar binks.... meesah most annoying star wars character ever!
[06:45:00] mchou: forget his name.....
[06:45:00] [Klatuu]: so were the ewoks
[06:45:00] [Klatuu]: all marketing
[06:45:00] mchou: jar jar==Stepin fetchit.
[06:45:00] xanderp: and they make him a freaking political adviser!!!! what kind of crap is that?
[06:46:00] [Klatuu]: I don't care about jar jar
[06:46:00] [Klatuu]: I care about getting sound working
[06:46:00] mchou: junk dealer==Shylock.
[06:46:00] xanderp: Sound Blaster
[06:46:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: use the force.....
[06:47:00] xanderp: [Klatuu] I don't have any answers for you dude... sorry... i'm just not that smart.
[06:47:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: after days of hanging around here I doubt anyone has answer for you except maybe chis kennedy.
[06:47:00] xanderp: it's taken me close to a year to get my box to be even 'somewhat' functional
[06:48:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: asking the same question.
[06:48:00] mchou: moaning and bitching aint goona help you solve that problem :)
[06:48:00] mchou: chris*
[06:49:00] xanderp: best fix is sometimes pulling out all the crap and starting over on it.
[06:49:00] [Klatuu]: you just don't care enough
[06:49:00] mchou: especially given the fact other ppl got the same rev of 500 to work on their systems.
[06:50:00] mchou: like that dude earlier today, forgot his name.
[06:50:00] xanderp: crap... i didn't realize before i read the changelog that .18 includes ALL the plugins by default... sonofabitch
[06:50:00] mchou: he got it working, but his advice didnt help you.
[06:51:00] mchou: so either driver is screwed, or there is something wrong with your config.
[06:51:00] mchou: no many other possibilities.
[06:51:00] mchou: you did change the audio firmware?
[06:52:00] [Klatuu]: yes
[06:52:00] xanderp: atmospheric abberations?
[06:52:00] [Klatuu]: I did get sound last night
[06:52:00] [Klatuu]: crackly sound
[06:52:00] [Klatuu]: but sound
[06:52:00] xanderp: or possibly solar flares
[06:52:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: that's in the past :)
[06:52:00] mchou: plus you didnt know what you did to get sound :)
[06:53:00] mchou: so kinda pointless now.
[06:53:00] [Klatuu]: I am going to remove all my module options
[06:53:00] [Klatuu]: that always seems to work
[06:53:00] xanderp: all i get is cracly sound... you should be glad to get crackly sound. back when i was young, we would stand in line for 3 days to be able to listend to someone elses crackly sound because we couldn't afford our own!
[06:54:00] xanderp: we were so poor, we couldn't afford to pay attention!
[06:54:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: you using a stock kernel from kernel.org?
[06:54:00] [Klatuu]: I will let the drivers autodetecct everything
[06:54:00] [Klatuu]: no
[06:54:00] mchou: what kernel?
[06:54:00] [Klatuu]: I am using gentoo-sources
[06:54:00] [Klatuu]: 2.6.11-r6
[06:54:00] mchou: lol. gentoo. no wonder it's messedup.
[06:54:00] xanderp: amazing how live-cd can make crap work that a custom build can take weeks to make work... :)
[06:55:00] mchou: get a kernel from kernel.org and give that a whirl.
[06:55:00] mchou: bet that would work just fine.
[06:55:00] mchou: xanderp: exactly.
[06:56:00] xanderp: [Klatuu] do you have any audio related stuff that emerge -pv --update --deep world would update? could fix some problems
[06:56:00] mchou: I bet i2c is fubar.
[06:56:00] xanderp: um, without the -pv that is
[06:57:00] CygnusX1: mchou, Do you have your remote working consistantly?
[06:57:00] mchou: cause all those error message are i2c related
[06:57:00] mchou: CygnusX1: which remote?
[06:57:00] CygnusX1: PVR150 new style
[06:57:00] mchou: nope. That's know not to work yet. dunno why you bashing your head in on that one :)
[06:58:00] mchou: known*
[06:58:00] mchou: wait a few more weeks and it will work.
[06:58:00] xanderp: the 150?
[06:58:00] CygnusX1: The first time I did modprobe lirc_dev, modprobe lirc_i2c, lircd, irw...it worked like a champ. Not once since.
[06:58:00] mchou: yup, the remote that comes with the retail version of 150.
[06:59:00] mchou: read the lirc mailing lists, they are deep in debugging that one.
[06:59:00] CygnusX1: Shucks. What the heck did it work the first time for? Random luck?
[06:59:00] mchou: cosmic rays :)
[06:59:00] [Klatuu]: probably
[06:59:00] xanderp: i like the 150 remote... odd that they changed the hardware and not just the case/button layouts
[06:59:00] [Klatuu]: like my having sound last night
[06:59:00] [Klatuu]: but not today
[06:59:00] CygnusX1: :-(
[06:59:00] [Klatuu]: random luck
[07:00:00] mchou: CygnusX1: what distro you using?
[07:00:00] xanderp: does .17-r2 to .18 upgrade the database schema?
[07:01:00] mchou: CygnusX1: also check to make sure it's plugged in well :)
[07:01:00] CygnusX1: Slackware 10.1, k2.6.11.7, ivtv 0.3.3h, lirc 0.71pre4
[07:01:00] mchou: sometimes it's the most obvious things that elude us :)
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[07:02:00] ZMorek: anyone here?
[07:03:00] ZMorek: guess everyone's just idling...
[07:03:00] rpete: yes, someone here
[07:04:00] xanderp: nice, after upping to .18 my mythweather map works again! Hurray!
[07:04:00] duckeo: hmm, 2.6.10 works with the visionplus, 2.6.11 spits the dummy
[07:04:00] duckeo: is 2.6.11 still considered unstable?
[07:05:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . rum_id=27233
[07:05:00] ZMorek: I'm having trouble getting the 0.18 rpms installed using apt-get
[07:05:00] ZMorek: and atrpms
[07:06:00] ZMorek: it lists all the packages but says it won't install any
[07:07:00] ZMorek: and I'm way too tired to figure this out
[07:10:00] ZMorek: I'll sleep on it, try tomorrow, post up specifics on what goes wrong
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[07:19:00] [Klatuu]: yay
[07:19:00] [Klatuu]: it doesn't work
[07:19:00] [Klatuu]: so close yet so far
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[07:23:00] [Klatuu]: I don't understand how it worked last night but not today
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[07:25:00] mchou: CygnusX1: you still around?
[07:25:00] [Klatuu]: wm8775: Failed to update register 2 (R11) with 1621.
[07:25:00] mchou: damn [Klatuu], go do something else, will ya?
[07:25:00] mchou: what a way to spend time off :)
[07:26:00] CygnusX1: yes
[07:26:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-view_faq.php?faqId=1#q42
[07:27:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: YMMV, of course.
[07:28:00] mchou: CygnusX1: sorry, false alarm.
[07:28:00] [Klatuu]: there is no "US" standard
[07:28:00] CygnusX1: bah!! :-)
[07:28:00] [Klatuu]: nevermind
[07:28:00] mchou: Sure there is. 0x20 and the next one.
[07:29:00] mchou: If all else fails look in the source.
[07:30:00] CygnusX1: Transcoded file is going to be about the same size as the original. All sorts of fun here.
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[07:33:00] xanderp: ne body know how to make bluetooth keyboard and mouse automatically associate to linux after they go into sleep mode? I have to manually run a hidd --search and do a reset on them to get them to link up
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[07:35:00] xanderp: CRAP! after doing a full --update --deep world i realized I hadn't --sync'ed !!!! (xanderp ain't too bright)
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[07:36:00] flithm: hey everyone... just upgraded to 0.18, and now my live tv stutters... anyone know what could be causing this?
[07:36:00] xanderp: full drive?
[07:36:00] flithm: nah 43 gigs free!
[07:37:00] xanderp: hmmm
[07:37:00] flithm: tried rebooting, changing tv watching settings etc
[07:37:00] flithm: nothing!
[07:38:00] xanderp: not a clue
[07:38:00] xanderp: what's your cpu look like? is there something eating up the processor?
[07:39:00] flithm: hmm gimme a sec
[07:39:00] xanderp: hardware encode?
[07:39:00] xanderp: hardware decode?
[07:40:00] [Klatuu]: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/19788
[07:40:00] [Klatuu]: sounds like someone has the same problem I have
[07:41:00] xanderp: [Klatuu]: what would that be? Unsupportive peers?
[07:41:00] flithm: i don't have an ivtv based card, but sounds similar yes
[07:43:00] [Klatuu]: the person in that message is having the same problem I have
[07:44:00] flithm: so here's something interesting... if I watch tv for a bit, it eventually stops stuttering, but if I go out of live tv watching, and then back in, the stuttering happens again. But the kicker is, it dies down at the same spot, it even looks like the stutters happen in the same spots every time
[07:45:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: nope: Apr 22 22:15:29 mythtv kernel: ivtv: i2c attach [client=wm8775[5],ok]
[07:46:00] mchou: he probably forgot to turn off mute :)
[07:46:00] [Klatuu]: I get that too
[07:46:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: no you didnt.
[07:46:00] [Klatuu]: well
[07:46:00] [Klatuu]: he is using 3.2q
[07:46:00] mchou: not the one you posted earlier today anyway.
[07:47:00] [Klatuu]: I am using 3.3h
[07:47:00] mchou: so?
[07:47:00] mchou: I'm talking about the msg, not versioning.
[07:47:00] [Klatuu]: I do see a connect message later
[07:47:00] mchou: later is too late :)
[07:48:00] mchou: which is probably why yours aint working.
[07:52:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: did you d/l a vanilla kernel from kernel.org?
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[07:56:00] [Klatuu]: what parts of i2c need to be compiled?
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[07:56:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: did you d/l a vanilla kernel from kernel.org?
[07:57:00] [Klatuu]: I will deal with that later
[07:57:00] [Klatuu]: I need to know what needs to be compiled for i2c to work
[07:57:00] mchou: when in doubt, everything :)
[07:58:00] mchou: wouldn't surprise me if you screwed that up :)
[07:58:00] [Klatuu]: I have all the i2c stuff compiled
[07:59:00] mchou: then why are you asking?
[07:59:00] [Klatuu]: nevermind
[08:01:00] [Klatuu]: I suddenly remembered why I stopped coming on irc
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[08:10:00] rpete: the lack of women?
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[08:10:00] [Klatuu]: nope
[08:11:00] rpete: okay, but that's why I stopped
[08:11:00] [Klatuu]: ahh
[08:16:00] [Klatuu]: wow
[08:16:00] [Klatuu]: these hardy boy mysteries take a lot of downloading
[08:17:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: hmm?? hardy boys are available for d/l??
[08:17:00] [Klatuu]: the old TV series
[08:17:00] [Klatuu]: yes
[08:17:00] mchou: oh, I thought you meant the books......
[08:17:00] [Klatuu]: no
[08:18:00] mchou: when was the tv series made?
[08:18:00] [Klatuu]: 70s
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[08:19:00] [Klatuu]: http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMain . . . showid-1258/
[08:19:00] mchou: is the series any good?
[08:20:00] [Klatuu]: well
[08:20:00] [Klatuu]: that is a good question
[08:20:00] mchou: Nancy drew too :)
[08:20:00] [Klatuu]: I haven't seen them since they first aired
[08:20:00] [Klatuu]: and I was 7–9 then
[08:20:00] [Klatuu]: they may have been great then
[08:20:00] mchou: Wow, they have DVD of season one apparently :)
[08:20:00] [Klatuu]: yes
[08:20:00] [Klatuu]: that is basically what I am downloading
[08:21:00] mchou: looks like that just got released.....
[08:21:00] mchou: looks like it ran for 2–3 seasons......
[08:21:00] CygnusX1: Is there any way to change the font size in the program guide?
[08:22:00] mchou: looks like 2.5 seasons :)
[08:23:00] [Klatuu]: I've got nzbs for season 1
[08:23:00] mchou: I used to read hardy boys religiously.....
[08:24:00] mchou: but I really dont remeber anything about them :)
[08:24:00] mchou: remember.
[08:24:00] [Klatuu]: they were all about smugglers
[08:24:00] mchou: for real?
[08:24:00] [Klatuu]: nah
[08:24:00] [Klatuu]: that is something from The Simpsons
[08:25:00] mchou: I just remember I lost interest in them after 3rd grade. Too implausible.
[08:25:00] mchou: like did the hardy boys ever go to school?? Do homework?
[08:25:00] mchou: lol :)
[08:25:00] [Klatuu]: did they ever take a dump or piss?
[08:26:00] mchou: and where did they get the money to travel round?
[08:26:00] [Klatuu]: just because you can't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen
[08:26:00] [Klatuu]: rich father
[08:26:00] mchou: did hardy boysever make it w/ nancy drew? :)
[08:27:00] mchou: boys ever*
[08:27:00] [Klatuu]: a 3 way?
[08:27:00] mchou: hehe.
[08:27:00] [Klatuu]: lots of tv shows I liked as a kid
[08:28:00] [Klatuu]: but are hard to watch now
[08:28:00] [Klatuu]: like Buck Rogers
[08:28:00] mchou: when ere the hardy boys first published?
[08:28:00] mchou: were*
[08:28:00] [Klatuu]: I dunno
[08:31:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/5567/history.html
[08:32:00] mchou: "The Hardy Boys Series began in 1927"
[08:33:00] rpete: that brings back memories
[08:34:00] mchou: "Joe's girlfriend Iola was killed off in the first volume, and the difference in personality between Frank and Joe became more pronounced. The stories became more "grown-up" as well: in the Casefiles, the Hardys view murder scenes and use guns."
[08:34:00] rpete: hm, don't recall them using firearms
[08:35:00] mchou: no, that's the "Casefiles" aimed at grown-ups according to the site....
[08:35:00] rpete: and joe's girlfriend gets an abortion
[08:35:00] rpete: before she was killed off, of course
[08:35:00] mchou: well, not grown ups but "older audience"
[08:37:00] rpete: I imagine 20-somethings today have no idea who hardy boys were
[08:37:00] fridge: I sure don't
[08:37:00] rpete: they were banging nancy drew
[08:38:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: "Frank and Joe could never keep a secret from their astute father, and they suspected that this was one of the abilities that made him such a successful investigator. Indeed, Fenton Hardy had made an enviable name for himself. For many years he had been a detective with the New York Police Department, but resigned to accept cases of his own. He is now known as one of the best private detectives in the country and has solved
[08:38:00] mchou: mysteries that had baffled city detective forces."
[08:38:00] [Klatuu]: what exactly does i2c do for ivtv?
[08:38:00] mchou: somehow I doubt hardy dad was rich :)
[08:39:00] fridge: are they related to biggles?
[08:39:00] mchou: i2c is a pll bus used for tv and other "management" tasks.
[08:41:00] mchou: It's amazing to me hardy boys was first published in 1927 :)
[08:41:00] mchou: boy gumshoes :)
[08:42:00] [Klatuu]: hrmm
[08:42:00] [Klatuu]: sleep or troubleshoot
[08:43:00] mchou: your eyelids are heavy.....
[08:43:00] [Klatuu]: not really
[08:43:00] mchou: On the count of 3, you will remember nothing......
[08:43:00] mchou: 1...
[08:43:00] mchou: 2...
[08:43:00] mchou: 3....
[08:44:00] rpete: mchou, do hardy boys really seem that far removed from 1927?
[08:44:00] rpete: I know you read them first in, what, 1981
[08:44:00] mchou: rpete: no ideal, really. Like I said, I dont remeber anything re Hardy boys.
[08:44:00] mchou: idea*
[08:45:00] rpete: but you seem to have some memories
[08:45:00] mchou: bope, not after I counted to 3 :)
[08:46:00] mchou: nope*
[08:47:00] mchou: hardy boys was youthful "pulp fiction" for me. read about 1 book/day when I was in 3rd grade.
[08:48:00] mchou: had a reading program at school, other kids were convinced I was lying about how fast I read those books. :)
[08:48:00] mchou: accused me of cheating :)
[08:48:00] mchou: that I do remember :)
[08:48:00] mchou: it's weird the crap that "sticks"
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[08:49:00] mchou: I had them administer a reading comprehension test to "prve" that I read those books :)
[08:49:00] mchou: prove*
[08:50:00] mchou: lol :)
[08:50:00] [Klatuu]: hrmmm
[08:50:00] [Klatuu]: if I do a ivtvctl -p 6 I get a static picture but I have sound
[08:50:00] mchou: my version of hardy boys "cliff notes"
[08:51:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: heh, that's good news. which "source does 6 correspond to?
[08:51:00] [Klatuu]: ugh
[08:51:00] [Klatuu]: this sux
[08:51:00] [Klatuu]: such a large file size for such a small window
[08:51:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: which source is 6?
[08:52:00] [Klatuu]: it says s-video
[08:52:00] mchou: lol.
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[08:52:00] [Klatuu]: I will have to try something
[08:52:00] mchou: svide shouldnt have sound at all. (not unless you got sound jack plugged in)
[08:53:00] mchou: svideo*
[08:53:00] [Klatuu]: root@toaster /media/video/recordings # ivtvctl -p 6
[08:53:00] [Klatuu]: ioctl: VIDIOC_S_INPUT
[08:53:00] [Klatuu]: Input set to 6
[08:53:00] [Klatuu]: the sound jacks are connected
[08:53:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: ah, ok then.
[08:54:00] mchou: try hooking up vcr to card and see if it records both vid and audio.
[08:54:00] [Klatuu]: I am going to try each input
[08:54:00] [Klatuu]: what's a vcr?
[08:54:00] mchou: lol.
[08:54:00] mchou: dvd player then :)
[08:55:00] mchou: anything with svid out :)
[08:55:00] [Klatuu]: macrovision
[08:55:00] mchou: macrovision you still get pic, just bad is all.
[08:55:00] mchou: that's all you wanna test out anyways.
[08:56:00] [Klatuu]: well
[08:56:00] [Klatuu]: what a coinkydink
[08:56:00] [Klatuu]: I have video and audio
[08:56:00] [Klatuu]: crappy audio
[08:57:00] [Klatuu]: so I am back to last night
[08:57:00] [Klatuu]: go figure
[08:57:00] mchou: on tuner or svid?
[08:57:00] [Klatuu]: I went through all the sources
[08:57:00] [Klatuu]: svideo
[08:57:00] mchou: I there one source w/ both? :)
[08:58:00] mchou: to me it's a bit strange. Svideo should have no pic at all(blue/green screen)
[08:58:00] mchou: unless you attached something there, of course.
[08:59:00] [Klatuu]: I have always been trying to get svideo working
[08:59:00] [Klatuu]: no need for tuner
[08:59:00] mchou: so you saying you have svideo attached?
[08:59:00] [Klatuu]: yes
[09:00:00] mchou: with a cable box or what?
[09:00:00] [Klatuu]: directv receiver
[09:00:00] mchou: ok, that works :)
[09:00:00] mchou: but you get static pic and crappy audio?
[09:01:00] [Klatuu]: the pic is pretty ok now
[09:01:00] [Klatuu]: the audio is crappy
[09:01:00] mchou: define crappy.
[09:01:00] [Klatuu]: I would prefer it to just pass everything through
[09:01:00] mchou: too much static? tto loud?
[09:01:00] [Klatuu]: and not encode again
[09:01:00] [Klatuu]: static
[09:01:00] [Klatuu]: crackle
[09:02:00] mchou: could be a ground loop problem or audio clipping.
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[09:02:00] [Klatuu]: well
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[09:02:00] [Klatuu]: when I had it on -p 6 the audio sounded fine
[09:02:00] phillip37: hi everybody
[09:02:00] [Klatuu]: it wasn't until I tried it on the svideo that it sounded bad
[09:03:00] [Klatuu]: nothing is connected to the RF input
[09:03:00] [Klatuu]: so it can only get sound from the audio in
[09:03:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: I though you said 6 corresponded to svideo......
[09:03:00] [Klatuu]: I was wrong
[09:03:00] [Klatuu]: I don't know what it corresponded to
[09:03:00] phillip37: when i run mythfilldatabse it starts searching then gives an error can't find the dataset does anyone know what this means im in australia
[09:03:00] [Klatuu]: probably a tuner
[09:03:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: what grabber are you using?
[09:03:00] [Klatuu]: which is strange
[09:03:00] mchou: ivtvctl -a will tell you
[09:04:00] phillip37: tv_grab_au
[09:04:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: is it using d1.com.au?
[09:04:00] [Klatuu]: 6= Tuner 0
[09:04:00] phillip37: i have no idea sorry
[09:04:00] Agrajag-: i've got a grabber (slightly modified for abc2/sbsnews) which uses ninemsn, people have been posting iton the users list
[09:04:00] phillip37: i am only very new to this
[09:05:00] [Klatuu]: there are 4 composite connections listed
[09:05:00] [Klatuu]: I thought there were only 2
[09:05:00] mchou: god damn, this is pissing me off.
[09:05:00] Agrajag-: ok, i'll send you my grabber and you can try that, it'll probably work better than the one you've got :P
[09:05:00] phillip37: ok
[09:05:00] [Klatuu]: what is?
[09:05:00] phillip37: give me a minute ok
[09:05:00] Agrajag-: ok
[09:06:00] mchou: I'm compiling some stuff.....
[09:06:00] phillip37: can you try again please
[09:06:00] phillip37: damm whats the file extension
[09:07:00] phillip37: so that i can accept it
[09:07:00] Agrajag-: nothing.. just tv_grab_au
[09:07:00] Agrajag-: her
[09:07:00] Agrajag-: e
[09:07:00] Agrajag-: http://home.whatsbeef.net:1339/~filip/tv_grab_au
[09:07:00] Agrajag-: it doesn't have a configure option
[09:08:00] phillip37: got it
[09:08:00] Agrajag-: so edit it, the top few lines, pretty self explanetory
[09:08:00] phillip37: now how do i make it run
[09:08:00] Agrajag-: first edit it
[09:08:00] Agrajag-: just your location (im in sydney)
[09:08:00] Agrajag-: you can probably leave the extension as d1.com.au
[09:08:00] phillip37: ok
[09:09:00] Agrajag-: for now just to test it, you can run
[09:09:00] Agrajag-: ./tv_grab_au --output=./guide.xml
[09:10:00] Agrajag-: then mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 ./guide.xml
[09:10:00] phillip37: question for you where do i put my location im totally new to this
[09:10:00] phillip37: i have opened the file on my windows box in notepad
[09:10:00] Agrajag-: line 122
[09:10:00] phillip37: im in brisbane
[09:11:00] Agrajag-: well comment the sydney line
[09:11:00] Agrajag-: and uncomment the brisbane line
[09:11:00] phillip37: you have lost me sorry i can't find line 122
[09:11:00] Agrajag-: oh, also change the cache_dir option
[09:12:00] Agrajag-: (line 146)
[09:12:00] Agrajag-: uhh.. use a better editor :P
[09:12:00] phillip37: what editor should i use
[09:12:00] Agrajag-: i dont know any windows editor
[09:12:00] Agrajag-: but surely notepad has a 'search' function
[09:13:00] Agrajag-: do a search for 'Brisbane'
[09:13:00] phillip37: i did
[09:13:00] phillip37: their are a few of them
[09:13:00] Agrajag-: well the first match you want to change
[09:13:00] Agrajag-: #my $location = "Brisbane";
[09:13:00] Agrajag-: uncomment that by removing the # at the beginning of the line
[09:13:00] phillip37: ok
[09:13:00] Agrajag-: comment the my $location = "Sydney"; by putting a # at the beginning of that line
[09:14:00] phillip37: ok
[09:14:00] phillip37: done that
[09:14:00] Agrajag-: also, the line
[09:14:00] Agrajag-: my $cache_dir = "/home/filip/tv_grab_au_cache";
[09:14:00] Agrajag-: change that to /wherever/you/like
[09:14:00] phillip37: do i put a # in front of that line
[09:15:00] Agrajag-: no, you want to change it
[09:15:00] phillip37: to what you just said
[09:15:00] Agrajag-: you want to make a dir like /home/yourUserName/tv_grab_au_cache or something
[09:15:00] Agrajag-: and set it to that
[09:16:00] phillip37: ok any idea how to make a dir on a mythtv box at all
[09:16:00] Agrajag-: mkdir ~/tv_grab_au_cache
[09:17:00] Agrajag-: ~ stands means 'my home directory'
[09:17:00] Agrajag-: so that'll make /home/whateverYourUserNameIs/tv_grab_au_cache
[09:18:00] phillip37: ok i have got that
[09:18:00] phillip37: now that file i changed can i put it on a floppy disc to copy over and how do i copy it over
[09:19:00] phillip37: and what should it be called what file extension to
[09:19:00] Agrajag-: it doesn't matter what it's called
[09:19:00] Agrajag-: doesn't need a file extension
[09:19:00] Agrajag-: hmm.. you're going to have a pretty big learning curve here you realise :)
[09:20:00] phillip37: yes i do realise that
[09:21:00] phillip37: i have a phone a friend if i get into some serious stuff
[09:21:00] Agrajag-: as long as you're prepared
[09:21:00] phillip37: he has over 20 years expiernce with linux and unix
[09:21:00] Agrajag-: are you still using knoppmyth?
[09:21:00] phillip37: i am prepared
[09:21:00] Agrajag-: cool, it's worth it :P
[09:21:00] phillip37: am i ever using knoppmyth
[09:22:00] phillip37: my only hassle is i only have 1 computer monitor
[09:22:00] Agrajag-: ah right. you can get a dual kvm switch thingy pretty cheap these days i think
[09:22:00] phillip37: ok
[09:22:00] Agrajag-: lets you switch between two boxes with one monitor/keyboard/mouse
[09:23:00] phillip37: thats exactly what i need
[09:23:00] phillip37: so what do i need to do first
[09:24:00] Agrajag-: well get this tv_grab_au script onto your myth box
[09:24:00] phillip37: any idea how i do that at all
[09:25:00] Agrajag-: so.. they're not networked?
[09:25:00] phillip37: yes they are
[09:25:00] Agrajag-: one is a windows box? does knoppmyth come with samba?
[09:25:00] phillip37: but i have no idea on how to get stuff across
[09:26:00] phillip37: good question what is samba
[09:26:00] Agrajag-: run smbmount
[09:26:00] Agrajag-: see if it exists first
[09:27:00] phillip37: give me a minute ok while i switch the monitor over ok
[09:27:00] Agrajag-: heh.. that would be a pain
[09:27:00] phillip37: yeah i guess
[09:27:00] phillip37: just a minute
[09:28:00] mchou: Agrajag-: you must have a LOT of patience :)
[09:28:00] Agrajag-: heh.. im a bit bored at the moment :P
[09:28:00] [Klatuu]: what did I miss?
[09:28:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: this channel is logged :)
[09:29:00] mchou: no need to miss anything
[09:29:00] phillip37: it said command not found ok
[09:29:00] Agrajag-: ok.. well you can try a floppy
[09:30:00] phillip37: ok what does the file need to be called and what file extension does it have to have
[09:30:00] Agrajag-: once you get this all setup with knoppmyth and you're happy with it, i reckon it'd be an idea to use a real distro... but that's more learning curve so can probably wait :P
[09:30:00] mchou: nono....smbmount might be a rrot cmd :)
[09:30:00] Agrajag-: oh damn forgot that
[09:30:00] Agrajag-: hehe
[09:30:00] mchou: root*
[09:30:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: did you try running smbmount as the 'root' user?
[09:30:00] mchou: su :)
[09:30:00] phillip37: root user
[09:31:00] mchou: no root on knoppmyth, iirc :)
[09:31:00] phillip37: do you mean did i type in su then my password
[09:31:00] Agrajag-: sudo
[09:31:00] phillip37: no su
[09:31:00] Agrajag-: well that too
[09:31:00] phillip37: i typed su then my password
[09:31:00] phillip37: it did not work ok
[09:31:00] Agrajag-: su requires root password
[09:31:00] Agrajag-: sudo requires your password, not roots
[09:32:00] Agrajag-: if you do 'sudo smbmount' that'll run it as root, and as for your password
[09:32:00] phillip37: ok so should i try it again
[09:32:00] Agrajag-: well you could copy it to a floppy just in case it doesn't
[09:32:00] Agrajag-: it doesn't need a file extension
[09:32:00] Agrajag-: and just call it tv_grab_au
[09:32:00] mchou: much smarter to try mount -t smb :)
[09:32:00] phillip37: i have but in windows its called itself tv_grab_au.txt
[09:33:00] Agrajag-: well .pl then
[09:34:00] phillip37: ok i will try this all now ok be back in a minute
[09:34:00] Agrajag-: you'll have to mount the flopy
[09:34:00] phillip37: how do i mount the floppy
[09:34:00] Agrajag-: with sudo mount /dev/floppy /media/floppy
[09:34:00] mchou: lol.
[09:34:00] [Klatuu]: the sound is tinny
[09:34:00] Agrajag-: assuming knoppmyth gives you /media
[09:34:00] phillip37: ok
[09:34:00] Agrajag-: .. this is going to take a while :P
[09:34:00] phillip37: let me try ok be back in a while
[09:35:00] mchou: Agrajag-: I think you should just ssh in and get it over with :)
[09:35:00] [Klatuu]: oh well
[09:35:00] [Klatuu]: deal with the sound tomorrow
[09:36:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: you cant give up now. you're so close :)
[09:36:00] [Klatuu]: I have to
[09:36:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: if you're willing to give me access to the box i'll ssh in and set it up for you :P
[09:36:00] [Klatuu]: my fish wants to sleep
[09:36:00] Agrajag-: but no doubt it doesn't have the net connection
[09:37:00] Agrajag-: and we'll have to go through setting up net connection/sshd/etc...
[09:37:00] mchou: beats teching the guy how to mount floppy :)
[09:37:00] Agrajag-: hehe
[09:37:00] mchou: teaching*
[09:38:00] mchou: if he's really smart, just boot from CD and he will have net connection.
[09:38:00] phillip37: how do i give you access to the box
[09:39:00] mchou: and then you just write to his filesystem (on HDD)
[09:39:00] mchou: then you reboot, asking him to take CD out :)
[09:40:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: does it have a net connection?
[09:40:00] phillip37: it sure does
[09:40:00] Agrajag-: well you have to tell me ip to connect to and username/password
[09:40:00] mchou: Dont trust that guy! :)
[09:40:00] Agrajag-: haha
[09:40:00] mchou: he's shifty :)
[09:41:00] phillip37: how do i find out what my ip for the myth box is
[09:41:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: does it have a direct connection? or is it connecting through your windows box?
[09:41:00] mchou: oh, now you ask him to diable firewall, heh :)
[09:41:00] phillip37: through my windows box and i have a router to
[09:42:00] mchou: disable*
[09:42:00] mchou: lol, not good.
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[09:42:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: well you have to forward port 22 to your myth box. i have no idea how to do that with windows, so you're on your own there
[09:42:00] mchou: nah, just user router, less painful.
[09:42:00] mchou: use*
[09:43:00] phillip37: i have absolutey no idea
[09:43:00] mchou: sigh.....
[09:43:00] Agrajag-: heh my girlfriend just told me she's got too much uni work and can't come over tonight.. so i'll be here all night :P
[09:43:00] mchou: hook your linux PC directly to modem :)
[09:44:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: did you find out if /media/floppy exists? or /mnt/floppy?
[09:44:00] mchou: easiest. but then you probably wont have irc on windows :)
[09:44:00] Agrajag-: anyway the idea is that a directory, where you're going to mount the floppy to, has to exist
[09:44:00] Agrajag-: then you do sudo mount /dev/floppy /wherever/you/want/to/mount/it
[09:45:00] Agrajag-: then cp /wherever/you/mounted/it/tv_grab_au.pl ~/
[09:45:00] mchou: I dont get it....what are you guys trying to do?
[09:45:00] Agrajag-: get a tv_grab_au script that actually works onto his myth box
[09:46:00] mchou: why not just compile xmltv from cvs or whatever?
[09:46:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: if this box has net access... why dont you use it to get the tv_grab_au script
[09:46:00] mchou: exactly :)
[09:46:00] Agrajag-: because the one that comes with it is really crappy
[09:47:00] phillip37: i did and i get this message can't find the dataset
[09:47:00] mchou: Agrajag-: which would be why you get it from cvs.
[09:47:00] Agrajag-: which one does cvs have?
[09:47:00] mchou: the latest, of course.
[09:48:00] Agrajag-: there's a few different tv_grab_au scripts out there
[09:48:00] mchou: which should work.
[09:48:00] Agrajag-: that use different sources
[09:48:00] Agrajag-: yeah, it does work, but not very well. doesn't get program descriptions and stuff
[09:49:00] mchou: ok, you aussies know better than a yank :)
[09:49:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: use your myth box to download http://home.whatsbeef.net:1339/~filip/tv_grab_au then edit it like you did before
[09:49:00] Agrajag-: im assuming knoppmyth comes with some text editor
[09:49:00] phillip37: so how do i do that in my myth box and where
[09:49:00] Agrajag-: oh dear
[09:49:00] phillip37: i hope so to
[09:49:00] mchou: hehe....
[09:50:00] phillip37: do i just type that address in xterm or something
[09:50:00] Agrajag-: try wget
[09:50:00] Agrajag-: wget http://home.whatsbeef.net:1339/~filip/tv_grab_au
[09:50:00] phillip37: in xterm
[09:50:00] Agrajag-: yep
[09:50:00] mchou: or curl :)
[09:50:00] phillip37: ok give me a minute
[09:52:00] mchou: Agrajag-: there is an alternative to ssh :)
[09:54:00] Agrajag-: get him to send his box over to me? :P
[09:54:00] mchou: ask him to start vnc :)
[09:54:00] mchou: assuming that's in knoppix :)
[09:55:00] Agrajag-: that still requires routing to be fixed though right?
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[09:55:00] mchou: and he needs to install that in windows too :)
[09:55:00] mchou: vnc tunnelling :)
[09:55:00] Agrajag-: ah right
[09:55:00] Agrajag-: heh
[09:55:00] Agrajag-: man kvms are actually more expensive than i thought
[09:55:00] Agrajag-: cheapest one i can see is $55 for 2 ports
[09:55:00] mchou: nah, cheap now.
[09:56:00] mchou: US$60 for 4 ports including cables*
[09:56:00] phillip37: got the file
[09:56:00] mchou: cables are EXPENSIVE.
[09:56:00] phillip37: one problem it says it is read only
[09:56:00] phillip37: how can i change it
[09:56:00] mchou: so imperative that the kvm comes with cables.
[09:56:00] Agrajag-: do chmod 755 tv_grab_au.pl
[09:56:00] mchou: detachable, of course.
[09:57:00] phillip37: where do i type that
[09:57:00] Agrajag-: in the same directory you put tv_grab_au.pl in
[09:57:00] phillip37: ok so i type do chmod 755 tv_grab_au.pl
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[09:57:00] Agrajag-: no
[09:58:00] Agrajag-: just 'chmod 755 tv_grab_au.pl
[09:58:00] Agrajag-: without that quote i put in
[09:58:00] phillip37: so just chmod 755 tv_grab_au.pl
[09:58:00] Agrajag-: yep
[09:58:00] mchou: Agrajag-: from google: http://www.computermarket.com.au/prodByBrand. . . . ;brand=ZONET
[10:00:00] Agrajag-: hmm yeah not too bad
[10:00:00] Agrajag-: but really i don't think those things are too complicated.. i reckon they should be more like $20 :P
[10:01:00] mchou: Agrajag-: believe me, they are quite complicated.
[10:01:00] mchou: much more so than you think.
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[10:02:00] Agrajag-: i guess they must be. i must be missing something.. what's there to do besides joining up the pins/wires
[10:02:00] mchou: mouse emulation and video bandwidth.
[10:03:00] mchou: 2nd one is a biggie.
[10:03:00] Agrajag-: ah yeah
[10:03:00] phillip37: typed that in but it says no such file name
[10:03:00] Agrajag-: in the same directory that tv_grab_au.pl is in ?
[10:03:00] mchou: what's a "big" computer shop in au?
[10:03:00] Agrajag-: big as in expensive but has lots of stuff?
[10:03:00] Agrajag-: ht.com.au i guess
[10:04:00] phillip37: well thats the problem i have no idea how to change to the directory where it saved to
[10:04:00] mchou: or distributor.....
[10:04:00] phillip37: but its in /home/mythtv
[10:04:00] Agrajag-: then do "cd /home/mythtv"
[10:04:00] phillip37: well when i open it in the editor it is
[10:04:00] phillip37: thank you
[10:04:00] Agrajag-: then do the chmod command
[10:04:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: i think you should get an irc client on knoppmyth
[10:05:00] phillip37: ok be back in a minute
[10:05:00] Agrajag-: if one doesn't exist already
[10:05:00] Agrajag-: possibly xchat
[10:05:00] phillip37: maybe if i had any idea how to
[10:05:00] mchou: Agrajag-: that place has outrageous prices.
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[10:05:00] mchou: Agrajag-: is last column price??
[10:05:00] Agrajag-: mchou: yeah.. it is $AU though
[10:06:00] mchou: Know rought the exchange rate for US$:AU$??
[10:06:00] mchou: roughly*
[10:07:00] Agrajag-: US$1 = AU$1.27985
[10:07:00] mchou: yeah, those prices are outrageous.
[10:08:00] Agrajag-: yep. i think stuff here is generally a bit more than over there
[10:08:00] Agrajag-: but your average corner pc store is probably a bit cheaper than ht
[10:09:00] mchou: I just dont understand, au is much closer to china where all this stuff is made :)
[10:09:00] Agrajag-: cheapest place i've found is msy.com.au (extremely dodgy website.. here's the pricelist – http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/non-PARTS.pdf )
[10:09:00] mchou: maybe less demand, but still :)
[10:09:00] phillip37: ok changed the file to read / write
[10:10:00] phillip37: i noticed that are 2 files ok do i need to get rid of one or just leave it their
[10:10:00] Agrajag-: well what's the 2nd one called?
[10:10:00] phillip37: just a minute
[10:10:00] Agrajag-: wait a sec
[10:10:00] Agrajag-: i'll tell you what to do next
[10:11:00] Agrajag-: first do cd ~mythtv
[10:11:00] Agrajag-: then mkdir tv_grab_au_cache
[10:11:00] Agrajag-: then run
[10:11:00] Agrajag-: ./tv_grab_au --output=/home/mythtv/tv_grab_au_cache/guide.xml
[10:12:00] Agrajag-: that'll take a bit of time. then check if that /home/mythtv/tv_grab_au_cache/guide.xml exists and has stuff in it
[10:12:00] mchou: Agrajag-: ou dont have any reputable mail order places in au???
[10:12:00] phillip37: su sydnesu
[10:12:00] mchou: you*
[10:12:00] Agrajag-: nope
[10:13:00] Agrajag-: well there's dell :P
[10:13:00] mchou: Agrajag-: the equivalent of amazon in US......
[10:13:00] mchou: or whatever.....
[10:13:00] Agrajag-: not that i know of
[10:13:00] mchou: man, au must have a tiny population then.
[10:13:00] Agrajag-: ~20 million i think
[10:14:00] mchou: big boys dont even want to go there.
[10:14:00] mchou: NYC probably has more ppl than that :)
[10:14:00] Agrajag-: is amazon even making a profit yet? :P
[10:14:00] mchou: Probably.
[10:14:00] fridge: I yes heaps of mail order places in .au
[10:14:00] mchou: tyhey sell much more than books now.
[10:14:00] fridge: use
[10:14:00] Agrajag-: i think i heard google has some kind of setup in melbourne
[10:15:00] mchou: fridge: ok. link?
[10:15:00] fridge: what do you want to buy?
[10:15:00] Agrajag-: there's auspcmarket.com.au i think
[10:15:00] fridge: I've used them
[10:15:00] fridge: you can find cheaper
[10:15:00] Agrajag-: but they seemed a bit expensive
[10:15:00] mchou: computer parts (kvm switch()
[10:15:00] fridge: but they're reliable enough
[10:16:00] mchou: ahh, that's better.....
[10:16:00] phillip37: can i get back to you guys in a little while i am going to borrow another monitor ok
[10:16:00] Agrajag-: i remember the last place i worked at as a sysadmin, some guys had these neat little 2 port belkin kvms
[10:17:00] phillip37: be back soon
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[10:17:00] mchou: Agrajag-: http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_in . . . de]=SW-KVM04
[10:17:00] Agrajag-: something like this http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.pr . . . s%2Fct_Id%3E
[10:17:00] Agrajag-: yeah that's still $82 though!
[10:18:00] mchou: for 4 port that's cheap, even by US standards.
[10:18:00] Agrajag-: yeah i guess
[10:18:00] mchou: and that comes w/ cables.
[10:18:00] mchou: 2port one is $55 incl GST.
[10:18:00] mchou: from there.
[10:19:00] Agrajag-: that belkin one looks neat.. but can't find them in any retailers websites
[10:19:00] mchou: place looks much more reputable than what you pointed at earlier.....
[10:19:00] mchou: I probably wouldnt go for the belkin.
[10:19:00] mchou: stupid hot key: ctrl.
[10:20:00] mchou: used in games :)
[10:20:00] Agrajag-: haha really
[10:20:00] Agrajag-: this same palce i worked at had some massive digital belkin kvms too, they were really nice
[10:20:00] Agrajag-: but expensive as
[10:21:00] Agrajag-: the cables for them were a lot too
[10:21:00] mchou: Agrajag-: what max resoultion do you use?
[10:21:00] Agrajag-: 1280x1024
[10:21:00] mchou: Cables are very expensive.
[10:21:00] mchou: and Hz?
[10:21:00] Agrajag-: but uhh.. this is for that phillip37 guy, not me
[10:21:00] Agrajag-: 85
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[10:22:00] mchou: plan on going any higher the next few years?
[10:22:00] Agrajag-: nup
[10:22:00] Agrajag-: this is a 21" monitor
[10:22:00] Agrajag-: dont think i'll needa bigger one
[10:22:00] Agrajag-: it can do 1600x1280 at 85Hz, but i can't imagine going higher than 1280x1024
[10:22:00] mchou: ok, then 200Mhz video band with will be more than sufficient for ya.
[10:23:00] mchou: bandwidth*
[10:23:00] mchou: really good kvm are 400Mhz video bw.
[10:24:00] mchou: at least their specs say so (might be lying :))
[10:24:00] Agrajag-: heh k
[10:24:00] mchou: that's very impotant spec to look for in kvm.....
[10:24:00] mchou: and the hotkey :)
[10:24:00] mchou: ctrl==bad!!
[10:25:00] Agrajag-: yeah
[10:25:00] mchou: scrollock is OK :)
[10:25:00] mchou: assignable==best!
[10:25:00] Agrajag-: yeah they should be assignable
[10:26:00] mchou: not at your pricerange :)
[10:26:00] Agrajag-: i've got this magnetic stripe reader, it's ps2, sits between your keyboard and computer
[10:26:00] Agrajag-: you open up a text editor or whatever, and press a key combo (assignable)
[10:26:00] Agrajag-: and it starts printing config options
[10:26:00] mchou: I dont get it. what's the point?
[10:26:00] Agrajag-: and then it captures what you type, and goes through menus and stuff
[10:26:00] Agrajag-: lets you configure it
[10:27:00] Agrajag-: it's just a magnetic stripe card reader
[10:27:00] Agrajag-: reads credit cards/drivers licence/anything with a magnetic stripe
[10:27:00] mchou: and you use that for stealing credit card numbers? :)
[10:27:00] Agrajag-: haha
[10:27:00] Agrajag-: can't say i have
[10:27:00] Agrajag-: but no doubt you could
[10:28:00] mchou: I dont see why a mag stipe reader would be all that useful.
[10:28:00] mchou: stripe*
[10:28:00] mchou: maybe if you're a business...
[10:28:00] mchou: but office, nah.....
[10:28:00] Agrajag-: yeah i found it, someone was chucking it out
[10:29:00] Agrajag-: plan to sell it on ebay, heh
[10:29:00] Agrajag-: but it's a pretty neat little device
[10:29:00] mchou: much more useful is a bar code reader.
[10:29:00] mchou: you can catalog everyhing you have :)
[10:29:00] Agrajag-: haha yeah
[10:29:00] mchou: books, CDs, DVD.....
[10:33:00] mchou: I think kvms wont be here too long anyways.....
[10:33:00] mchou: VGA connector is going to be obsolete soon.
[10:33:00] mchou: DVI now.....
[10:33:00] Agrajag-: really?
[10:33:00] Agrajag-: oh yeah
[10:34:00] mchou: so you migh want to think about that b4 investing :)
[10:34:00] mchou: might*
[10:34:00] Agrajag-: it's not for me! i said that already.. it's for that phillip37 guy
[10:35:00] Agrajag-: who has to keep switching his monitor over to try every command i tell him
[10:35:00] mchou: but CRT monitors are far superior than LCD nows.
[10:35:00] mchou: now*
[10:35:00] Agrajag-: yeah that's what i keep trying to tell everyone
[10:35:00] Agrajag-: only reason to get lcd is if you're tight on space
[10:36:00] mchou: I got two refurb Viewsonics P220f for US$80 each. Still under original manufacturers warranty.
[10:36:00] mchou: like 2 more years left on each.
[10:37:00] Agrajag-: nice
[10:37:00] Agrajag-: i won my 21" monitor :D
[10:37:00] mchou: US$80, that wont even be enough to pay shipping on new ones if I got them
[10:37:00] mchou: Agrajag-: nice.
[10:37:00] Agrajag-: well won the whole computer, but the monitor was probably worth the most :P
[10:37:00] mchou: what make?
[10:38:00] Agrajag-: compaq p110
[10:38:00] Agrajag-: sony tube i believe
[10:38:00] mchou: hmm, nice.
[10:38:00] mchou: I prefer MITSU diamondtron tubes myself (brighter and higher contrast)
[10:39:00] mchou: what CPU in computer?
[10:39:00] Agrajag-: the computer i won was a p3 750. this was back in 2000, so it was a pretty cool machine back then
[10:40:00] Agrajag-: upgraded the box to a p4 2.8ghz now
[10:40:00] mchou: how did you manage to win a whole computer?
[10:41:00] Agrajag-: in the IT section of the sydney morning herald, when win2k came out, they had a competition to win a computer with win2k, all you had to do was ring a number and leave details
[10:41:00] Agrajag-: i did so :P
[10:41:00] mchou: ahh, OK.
[10:41:00] Agrajag-: and installed linux on it as soon as i got it
[10:41:00] Agrajag-: heh
[10:41:00] mchou: Microsoft trying to pump their #s
[10:41:00] mchou: yeah, good move.
[10:41:00] Agrajag-: yeah them and compaq
[10:42:00] mchou: linux was 2.4 back in 2000, no?
[10:42:00] Agrajag-: hmm could've been 2.2
[10:42:00] Agrajag-: i was using linux before that though
[10:43:00] mchou: well, 2.2 was too primitive for me :)
[10:43:00] mchou: at least all the X stuff.
[10:43:00] Agrajag-: heh, i started with 2.0.30
[10:44:00] Agrajag-: installed it on a laptop
[10:44:00] Agrajag-: this was in 98 or so i think
[10:44:00] Agrajag-: getting X to display took me a good 3 months, as laptop support was hardly existant
[10:44:00] mchou: Agrajag-: I started with Yggradsil, the original live CD. i486 32MB :)
[10:45:00] Agrajag-: haha
[10:45:00] mchou: swap was heavily thrashed :)
[10:45:00] mchou: Yggradsil had X too.
[10:45:00] mchou: impressive on 32MB, but slower than a snail.
[10:46:00] Agrajag-: yeah this laptop had 32mb.. i think it was twm i was using
[10:46:00] laga: i used debian woody with X and icewm in a 32mb vmware. it worked really fine.
[10:46:00] Agrajag-: wasn't too bad
[10:46:00] mchou: laga: you bs me!
[10:47:00] Agrajag-: nah twm ran pretty well on my laptop too
[10:47:00] mchou: no the 32mb vmware part :)
[10:47:00] Agrajag-: oh yeah
[10:47:00] laga: mchou: nope. well, it might have been 48 mb.. ;)
[10:47:00] laga: but IIRC, i was using 32mb
[10:49:00] mchou: Agrajag-: yuou still have the P3 750?
[10:50:00] mchou: would make a nice backend.
[10:50:00] mchou: you*
[10:50:00] mchou: quiet :)
[10:50:00] laga: it'd even make a nice frontend ;)
[10:50:00] mchou: not if you want to watch HDTV :)
[10:51:00] laga: umm, yep.. ;)
[10:51:00] mchou: I use a p2 450 for my backend.
[10:51:00] Agrajag-: mchou: yeah.. it's my house's server now.. does routing/mail/stuff
[10:51:00] mchou: need more pci slots
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[10:52:00] Agrajag-: and yeah it only has a couple of pci slots iirc
[10:52:00] mchou: Agrajag-: I finally caved and bought a route appliance :)
[10:52:00] Agrajag-: i transcode all my stuff though.. that'd take a while on that
[10:54:00] Agrajag-: trying to convince my dad to buy me a WD sata 8mb 250gig drive ($191AU)
[10:54:00] Agrajag-: seems best value per gig
[10:54:00] mchou: local surplus store sells complete p3 950 mhz system for US $150
[10:54:00] laga: i wish HDDs were cheaper
[10:55:00] mchou: US $.25/GB is relatively cheap :)
[10:56:00] mchou: It boggles my mind you have terabyte for around $400 :)
[10:56:00] Agrajag-: eh! for what kind of drive?
[10:56:00] mchou: PATA, of course :)
[10:56:00] mchou: not SATA :)
[10:56:00] Agrajag-: the cheapest 8mb 7200 sata drive i can find is that WD one
[10:56:00] Agrajag-: which is US$0.59/GB
[10:57:00] Agrajag-: ($191AU. the pata on is $181, not much difference)
[10:57:00] mchou: local store had sale on PATA 200GB seagate for $50 after rebates (reatil 5yr warranty)
[10:58:00] mchou: retail*
[10:58:00] Agrajag-: that's crazy
[10:58:00] mchou: Agrajag-: why you say that?
[10:58:00] Agrajag-: can't find them nearly that cheap here
[10:58:00] mchou: hehe, maybe I sould start au "grey market"
[10:59:00] mchou: no warranty though :)
[10:59:00] Agrajag-: hehe
[10:59:00] mchou: should*
[11:00:00] mchou: PATA is much cheaper than SATA here, especially if you take rebates into account.
[11:00:00] mchou: for video PATA is OK.....
[11:01:00] mchou: SATA is only one/ connector as opposed to 2 :)
[11:01:00] mchou: for PATA :)
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[14:51:00] vhd: hello, has anyones pvr350 remote just stopped working recently? my setup has been fine for 8 months or so and last week irw just stopped showing anything
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[15:05:00] whimboo: Hi, i tried to install win98 under qemu but the setup doesn't detect my cdrom during the installation. Any chance to install win98?
[15:06:00] stoffel: and that relates to mythtv how?
[15:06:00] stoffel: ;)
[15:06:00] whimboo: upps sorry ;) wrong channel
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[15:25:00] Igg-man: Where does myth get its timezone settings from, my listings are 5 hours off
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[15:28:00] Cromz: Igg-man: from you system. if you type date is that correct?
[15:29:00] Cromz: there is also an option in mythtv-setup for a tz offset
[15:29:00] Cromz: mine is set to auto.
[15:30:00] Igg-man: cromz: it is now, but it wasn't when I started
[15:30:00] Igg-man: I just cleared the database, I'll try again
[15:30:00] Cromz: heh
[15:30:00] Igg-man: that offset in the settings didn't seem to make a difference, unless it only affects downloading the info
[15:30:00] Igg-man: YES!
[15:30:00] Igg-man: got it
[15:31:00] Igg-man: I guess I just needed to clear out the database first
[15:31:00] Cromz: ya
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[15:35:00] Igg-man: Aug... now it isn't recording anything
[15:35:00] Igg-man: Hmm
[15:41:00] Igg-man: sweet, its going now
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[15:42:00] Igg-man: I had to rebind the channel listing stuff
[15:43:00] Igg-man: cromz: what do you use for a capture card?
[15:43:00] Cromz: pvr350
[15:43:00] Igg-man: Cool
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[15:43:00] Igg-man: I've only got a framegrabber here
[15:44:00] Igg-man: it doesn't work the best, but it was $40 instead of $300
[15:45:00] Igg-man: Have you seen something that will convert the mythtv format file to .mpg or .somethingelse?
[15:45:00] Cromz: heh I have a power system. I make enough $ so I built this monster. and I have an extra 350 I'm going to put in it someday.. gonna get another cable box for it too.
[15:46:00] Igg-man: Cable box?
[15:46:00] Igg-man: Can you change the channels from the computer?
[15:46:00] Cromz: http://www.cromz.com/phpsysinfo
[15:46:00] Cromz: yes, with lirc
[15:46:00] Cromz: I bought a irblaster from www.irblaster.info
[15:48:00] Igg-man: Wow... got enough RAM?
[15:48:00] Igg-man: I thought 1GB was enough
[15:48:00] Cromz: I'm a hardware type. I do have problems with myth but they are minor cause the core works. I can watch livetv, record, watch recordings..
[15:48:00] Igg-man: It must be nice to record an entire show... into ram
[15:49:00] Cromz: the ram is for the other stuff too.. this is my main desktop ;) dual monitor, web-server, private ftp, mud game, file server and domain controller for my network
[15:49:00] Igg-man: Heh... UPS
[15:49:00] Igg-man: Mud? I havn't heard of anyone using a mud in a long time
[15:50:00] Cromz: lol
[15:50:00] Cromz: it's mainly for my wife and her friends to play.
[15:50:00] Igg-man: Where do you live?
[15:50:00] Igg-man: Your wife plays a mud?
[15:50:00] Cromz: minneapolis.
[15:50:00] Igg-man: I didn't think females were compatible with muds
[15:50:00] Igg-man: How ironic is that
[15:50:00] Cromz: multi-user dungeons ?
[15:51:00] Igg-man: I'm in Belle Plaine right now (about 20 minutes south of Shakopee)
[15:51:00] Igg-man: yah
[15:51:00] Igg-man: Are you a member of the tclug?
[15:51:00] Cromz: no
[15:51:00] Cromz: I live in friendly fridley. :/
[15:51:00] Igg-man: Alriht
[15:52:00] Igg-man: Where did you manage to find a wife that muds?
[15:52:00] Cromz: lol I found her online, when we lived in oklahoma. we meet on a multi-line bbs that I helped run
[15:53:00] Igg-man: Wow, BBS, havn't used one of those in a long time either
[15:53:00] Cromz: guess you didn't see the /dev/sda1 huh.. ;) or you would have said something. lol
[15:53:00] Igg-man: Let me go back and check
[15:54:00] Igg-man: that is about 1TB if I'm reading correct
[15:54:00] Igg-man: Is that a single drive, or some sort of array?
[15:54:00] Cromz: ya :)
[15:54:00] Cromz: array
[15:54:00] Igg-man: Oh okay.
[15:54:00] Cromz: 6 by 200gig in a raid5
[15:54:00] Igg-man: Your boot partition is /dev/hdc1?
[15:54:00] Cromz: sata drives
[15:55:00] Igg-man: That must be a noisy box. Do you keep it away from your home theater?
[15:55:00] Cromz: yeah that's a cheap 160 pata.
[15:55:00] Cromz: it's not really that noisy.
[15:55:00] Igg-man: Hmm, cool
[15:56:00] Cromz: it's in a big ass supermicro case.. that has 7 hotswap sata bays at the bootm front
[15:56:00] Igg-man: Are they actually hotswapable?
[15:56:00] Cromz: er bottom front
[15:56:00] Cromz: yes
[15:56:00] Igg-man: I'm always a bit worried about things that say "Hot swap"
[15:56:00] Cromz: I've got about 3 grand into this system so far.. just the core box..
[15:57:00] Igg-man: You do know it would have been cheaper to purchase a replaytv or a tivo, right?
[15:57:00] Cromz: yeah but whats the fun in that?
[15:57:00] Cromz: lol
[15:58:00] Cromz: this is my main system. I use vmware to work form home when I have too. ;) vpn with a winblows xp pro inside the vmware lol
[15:58:00] Igg-man: What type of VPN is it?
[15:58:00] Igg-man: I was thinking about trying to get the cisco vpn client working on a linux box
[15:59:00] Cromz: heh vpn to where I work. cisco crap.
[15:59:00] Igg-man: Same here
[15:59:00] Cromz: I work in eden pariare at Kroll Ontrack.
[15:59:00] Igg-man: Oh, Yah, I've sent stuff there before
[15:59:00] Igg-man: or rather, people I work with have
[16:00:00] Igg-man: $1900 to recover one drive... heh
[16:00:00] Cromz: I've problly done the recoveies ;) there is only the 4 recovery enginners
[16:00:00] Igg-man: I setup backuppc and started doing backups of a few selected users' harddrives
[16:00:00] Cromz: :)
[16:00:00] Igg-man: So, I had this theory about that place:
[16:01:00] Igg-man: they do the recovery to see if they could do it, and then they only give you the data if you pay for it
[16:01:00] Igg-man: does it work that way?
[16:01:00] Cromz: sorta. ;) can't give away the secerts. lol
[16:01:00] Igg-man: Oh, okay
[16:02:00] Cromz: we normally will do the recovery and copy data out. then the sales will sale it and our engineering services group backs it up to cd / dvd or usb drives.
[16:02:00] Igg-man: So, there are only 4 people there, what do the rest of the people in that building do?
[16:03:00] Igg-man: Okay
[16:03:00] Cromz: we have around 12 people in the cleanroom that will try to read the drive.
[16:03:00] Igg-man: I think I applied for a job there once, I never heard anything from them
[16:03:00] Cromz: but 4 people to do the structure work.
[16:04:00] Igg-man: Do you ever have to recover ext filesystems?
[16:04:00] Cromz: yes
[16:04:00] Igg-man: nifty
[16:04:00] Igg-man: Do you have a favorite backup solution?
[16:05:00] Cromz: ext2, ext3 xfs, some jfs, ntfs, hpfs, I speciallize in the bigger raid systems.
[16:05:00] Cromz: all backups can fail.
[16:05:00] Cromz: we have 2 guys that do tape recoveries.
[16:05:00] Igg-man: It seems more like 'all backups fail' to me
[16:06:00] Cromz: best backup would be to dvd. but that's small backups.
[16:06:00] Cromz: but even those can be damaged or trashed
[16:06:00] Igg-man: This backuppc thing seems neet, if it could be placed offsite, or sync'd offsite it would be even better
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[16:07:00] Cromz: ya, backup pc idea is a good way. long as you can replicate it to another system to for redunent backups.
[16:08:00] Igg-man: If I would actually get full approval to do it at work, I think I would try to rsync the pool to a box in another building
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[16:08:00] Cromz: ontrack at one time did what was called 'Rapid Recall' which was basicly the same thing.
[16:09:00] Igg-man: Offsite backup over the internet?
[16:09:00] Cromz: yup
[16:09:00] Igg-man: I think there was another company in EP that did something like that
[16:09:00] Igg-man: Can't remember the name of it... it was off of 169 and Valley View
[16:09:00] Igg-man: storagetech or something like that
[16:09:00] Cromz: might be why ontrack stopped.
[16:10:00] Igg-man: Oh wait.. Flextor, it was called Flextor
[16:10:00] Cromz: me.. I just use my raid5.
[16:10:00] Cromz: lol
[16:10:00] Cromz: I rebuilt thousands of raids.. so I'm not tooo worried.
[16:10:00] Igg-man: That works well for hardware fail, but what about accidental deletion or data corruption?
[16:10:00] Zugot: what is the recommended current OS for mythv?
[16:11:00] Igg-man: zugot: the one you have installed :-)
[16:11:00] Cromz: nothing on it would kill me to lose
[16:11:00] Igg-man: wait... not windows
[16:11:00] Zugot: Igg-man: i'm sure it will work on any current linux...
[16:11:00] Igg-man: zugot: It should, I run debian. It looks like Cromz runs Fedora Core 3
[16:11:00] Zugot: uh.. and i'm not running windows
[16:11:00] Cromz: Zugot: which one are you the most familer with?
[16:11:00] Igg-man: err.. wait, I actually have gentoo on the mythtv box
[16:11:00] Igg-man: sorry, force of habit
[16:11:00] Zugot: i have media for fc3, ubuntu, and gentoo
[16:12:00] Zugot: i'm comfortable with all of them
[16:12:00] Igg-man: From what I can tell, I would think you would get the best performance out of Gentoo, since everything can be optimized
[16:13:00] Igg-man: though setup will take a long time
[16:13:00] Zugot: i think i'll try it with an ubuntu server install
[16:13:00] Zugot: and work from there
[16:13:00] Igg-man: Okay
[16:14:00] Igg-man: Ubuntu is nifty, debian with a more user friendly everything
[16:14:00] Zugot: i have a gentoo install on the box that is going to become the backend server... seems like a waste to get rid of it all... but it hasn't been updated in 6 months
[16:17:00] Cromz: Igg-man: the reason I used vmware for the vpn shyte is because the vpn client they make us use locks that computer off my network on onto thiers.. so I found away around it by using vmware lol it'll lock that vmware but not the host.
[16:19:00] Zugot: Cromz: what type of vpn is it?
[16:20:00] Cromz: Zugot: cisco client.. they don't let me near the servers lol
[16:20:00] Cromz: affraid I'll figure a way to hack it or something
[16:20:00] Cromz: LOL
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[16:22:00] Igg-man: it seems strange that they wouldn't let you setup your own VPN connection
[16:22:00] Igg-man: oh well
[16:23:00] Cromz: they are control freaks.
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[16:27:00] Cromz: ok.. I gotta figure out the issues with my myth. lol the edit mode doesn't work right while watching a recording and remote when I hit 45 it'll change to 4 then to 5. :/ and need to get mythmusic to compile.
[16:28:00] Cromz: oh ya.. browse mode while watching livetv don't work either.
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[17:24:00] Zugot: Cromz: why don't you check out vpnc... i use it on my linux box so i don't have to use the windows client
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[17:27:00] Cromz: Zugot: the vpn client they have us use locks our systems off our networks. if I use a linux version and it locks this system off my network that wouldn't be good. being this system is my master broswer, file server.. but I'll look at it and see what it can offer ;) thx
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[17:30:00] laga: Cromz: and that'
[17:31:00] laga: s the way it should work. you dont want your network to be crompised by an unpatched windows xp box ;)
[17:32:00] Cromz: windows blech! ;)
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[17:32:00] laga: yep ;)
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[17:48:00] lotia: hi all, anyone using an nforce 4 mobo in their myth machine, i've been considering an nforce 4 board, but the chipset fan concerns me. my backend/frontend will be the same machine and so i want low noice.
[17:49:00] lotia: s/noice/noise./
[17:57:00] TheAsp: so buy a bigger fan?
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[18:02:00] CFB: Has anyone here built their own hardware LIRC transmitter to allow mythtv to switch channels on a cable box?
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[18:17:00] jemarcks: Does anybody know how to make /sbin/modporbe ivtv run at boot time?
[18:18:00] Cromz: one way is to edit your /etc/rc.d/rc.local file and add that like to it.
[18:18:00] jemarcks: cromz, i have been trying to install myth using jarods fc3 guide. when i reboot, ivtv isnt installed.
[18:19:00] jemarcks: I wonder why jarod didnt say to do that.
[18:20:00] jemarcks: cromz, i changed rc.local and its rebooting now...
[18:25:00] Zugot: i'm attempting to install my myth backend box headless
[18:25:00] Zugot: figures it would act up
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[18:27:00] jemarcks: cromz, ok, ivtv is started. thanks
[18:27:00] jemarcks: sombody should tell Jarod to add that to his guide
[18:27:00] Cromz: :)
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[18:28:00] jemarcks: cromz, another question.
[18:29:00] jemarcks: does the backend start up before or after ivtv is loaded?
[18:32:00] Cromz: I would think after.. but I manually load mythbackend lol
[18:32:00] jemarcks: lol
[18:33:00] Cromz: my myth setup is on my workstation.
[18:35:00] Cromz: jemarcks: the ivtv drivers need to be loaded so mythbackend can talk to the capture card.. :P
[18:36:00] jemarcks: cromz, so if ivtv is loaded in rc.local, is that after mythbackend is loaded?
[18:37:00] Cromz: naw
[18:37:00] Cromz: shouldn't be.
[18:37:00] Cromz: how you loading mythbackend?
[18:38:00] Cromz: using jarod's guide?
[18:38:00] jemarcks: /sbin/chkconfig mythbackend on
[18:38:00] jemarcks: yes
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[18:40:00] Cromz: hmm dunno lol I'm still learning this too
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[18:53:00] jemarcks: cromz, i gata get this htpc running. the wife is wondering if i blew all this $$ on a non working system lol
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[18:55:00] mtalbot: hello
[18:55:00] mtalbot: i am having trouble with tunning my mythtv box
[18:55:00] mtalbot: im using a bttv bassed card in england and all i get is some static and a green screen
[18:56:00] jemarcks: sounds like me. Are you using a pvr150?"
[18:57:00] mtalbot: no
[18:57:00] mtalbot: a pinnicle rave tv
[18:58:00] mtalbot: i have had a tv hoocked upto the same arial and i get a near perfect signal after all the apliffiers and signal smothers i have put in th way
[18:58:00] mtalbot: how do you tune mythtv to the channels
[18:58:00] mtalbot: does it work it out itself or do you have to put the freqs in yourself
[19:00:00] defaultro: hey guys, visor theme isn't being updated anymore right?
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[19:02:00] mtalbot: how do you tune an analog card in mythtv
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[19:13:00] CFB: defaultro: Doesn't look like it – shame, it was my favourite
[19:15:00] ikaro: is it usual that the remote doesnt work with the config files provided by the known howtos ?
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[19:17:00] CFB: I've only got experience of the hauppauge remote, which works fine
[19:18:00] ikaro: i got hauppauge too..
[19:19:00] CFB: Is it a grey remote?
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[19:19:00] ikaro: from pvr350, grey on top, black bottom
[19:19:00] CFB: Did you notice that there are two sets of grey remote codes?
[19:19:00] ikaro: no
[19:19:00] CFB: You've probably got the wrong ones then
[19:20:00] ikaro: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/PVR-350.jpg
[19:20:00] ikaro: mine looks like that
[19:20:00] ikaro: w/out the shiny thing in the center
[19:21:00] ikaro: running irw and pressing some buttons in the remote works.
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[19:22:00] ikaro: 0000000000001790 00 Vol+ Hauppauge_350
[19:22:00] ikaro: 00000000000017a0 00 Ch+ Hauppauge_350
[19:22:00] ikaro: etc..et.c.
[19:22:00] CFB: In which case it's working
[19:22:00] ikaro: but mythtv doesnt responds to the remote actions.
[19:23:00] ikaro: 00000000000017a0 01 Ch+ Hauppauge_350
[19:23:00] ikaro: should change channel .. but the channel doesnt change.
[19:23:00] CFB: It's a long time since I setup my myth from scratch, but isn't there a config file that associates the keys from lirc into myth functionality?
[19:24:00] ikaro: is that documented somewhere ?
[19:24:00] CFB: Hang on...I'm looking at the myth docn
[19:24:00] ikaro: if you got a link ir would be great.
[19:28:00] CFB: There is a bit at the very end of :http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html
[19:28:00] CFB: I'll have a look on my mythtv machine...it's a long time since I set it up
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[19:29:00] defaultro: ok CFB :(
[19:30:00] defaultro: i like the look of visor too
[19:30:00] ikaro: ive read that page.
[19:30:00] ikaro: at the very end is something unreleated to the hauppauge remote,
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[19:38:00] CFB: ok..do you have a lircrc file?
[19:38:00] ikaro: yep
[19:39:00] CFB: I wonder whether it's being found
[19:39:00] CFB: It should live in the .mythtv directory
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[19:41:00] ikaro: are you sure about that ?=
[19:41:00] ikaro: the docs say it should be in ~/
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[19:42:00] CFB: Well mine lives in ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[19:43:00] ikaro: ok, done that, still nothing.
[19:43:00] CFB: I'm going to have a look at the source code
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[19:52:00] CFB: I'm right
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[19:52:00] CFB: Any chance that you're actually running the frontend as a different user from the one you think you are?
[19:53:00] ikaro: nop
[19:54:00] CFB: And the file contains something sensible?
[19:54:00] CFB: ...and it can be read as that user
[19:54:00] ikaro: everything is running as root
[19:55:00] CFB: oh
[19:55:00] CFB: I'm sorry, I'm out of ideas
[19:55:00] ikaro: thats ok, thanks.
[19:57:00] ZMorek: ok so I'm updated to the the newer kernel (2.6.11–1.14)
[19:58:00] ZMorek: and when I try to use apt to upgrade my ivtv and lirc drivers (the kernel modules), it doesn't work...
[19:59:00] ZMorek: apt-get install ivtv-kmdl-2.6.11–1.14
[20:00:00] ZMorek: and it says it couldn't find the package
[20:00:00] hadees: anyone know a good program to orginize like music and video files?
[20:00:00] hadees: i want to move them around and also edit tag info
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[20:06:00] ZMorek: hadees: on my windows box I've used a program called The GodFather... though I don't know if it works with linux
[20:07:00] jasoncohen: hadees: amarok is very nice music app
[20:08:00] jasoncohen: are you interested in a player/organizer or just an organizer/tag editor?
[20:10:00] ZMorek: ok quick question
[20:10:00] ZMorek: the $KVER
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[20:10:00] ZMorek: mine isn't set
[20:10:00] ZMorek: how would I set it?
[20:13:00] indessed: My Doppler image doesn't download with mythweather (mythweather-0.17–65.rhfc3) ... I heard it was due to a weather.com change and a patch existed for it somewhere ... anyone know what I'm talking about?
[20:15:00] jemarcks: i have the same problem with mythweather. But i do see the radar image when wiewed from mythweb.
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[20:19:00] CFB: Is anyone here controlling a cable box from myth?
[20:19:00] CFB: If you are, what transmitter hardware did you use?
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[20:22:00] GreyFoxx: I've used a homemade one in the past. 15 Minutes and a soldering iron
[20:23:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.mmdsi.com/mythtv/MythTV_DISH_IR_LE . . . ed_LIRC.html
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[20:23:00] CFB: GreyFoxx, thanks for the link
[20:24:00] sung: btw
[20:24:00] sung: what is up with you guys and the page up key not working
[20:24:00] sung: in the mp3 lister/chooser
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[20:25:00] Lathi: i keep wanting to get a mythtv setup, but haven't yet. right now i don't have any PC that can take a tuner card. I'd have to buy a new system to do it.
[20:25:00] CFB: I built the advanced one from the lirc page (the one powered via a capacitor charged when the port is idle)
[20:26:00] Lathi: a couple of the TV channels we watch are in the "digital tier" and can't be recorded straight on a tuner card
[20:26:00] CFB: I can see the LED transmitting the signal, using a 'scope, but it won't convince my PACE STB to change channel
[20:26:00] Lathi: is the solution still to use two set top boxes with lirc or something to control them?
[20:27:00] CFB: Lathi, yes
[20:28:00] Lathi: so to aleviate clutter, i'd need my two set top boxes and a backend in another room and an extremely cheap front-end by the TV
[20:29:00] CFB: Couldn't u put together a new PC with front and backend running on the same box?
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[20:29:00] Lathi: yea, but that'd mean putting two set top boxes and a pc in my living room :-(
[20:30:00] Lathi: does the pvr hardware database let you search by the cost of the system?
[20:33:00] Lathi: how much effort am i look at to get a working mythv? how reliable is it really?
[20:34:00] CFB: I've done hardware design and I'm a professional programmer and it took me two weekends from start to finish
[20:34:00] Lathi: how much day to day mucking once it's "done"?
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[20:35:00] CFB: It's pretty reliable, but I've got two tuner cards which seems to cause problems
[20:35:00] CFB: If I run it with only one card it will work for weeks at a time
[20:35:00] Lathi: two tunners is definitely what i'm interested in. i have a 2-tunner dvr from my cable company. i'd hate to loose functionality
[20:36:00] CFB: If I run it with both, it'll often crash once a day
[20:36:00] Lathi: same make/model of tuners or different?
[20:36:00] CFB: Hauppage 250 & 350
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[20:37:00] Lathi: would it work better if they were the same? i guess you don't know what causes the crash?
[20:37:00] CFB: I haven't investigated it yet, due to lack of time
[20:37:00] Lathi: is yours a new system built from scratch?
[20:37:00] CFB: I use the 350 for driving the TV
[20:38:00] CFB: Yes
[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: I've got a backend with 3 tuners, and 4 frontends running right now. I never have to touch them except during upgrades or if I start running CVS
[20:38:00] Lathi: do you have hdtv?
[20:38:00] CFB: I've upgraded the motherboard since my first try
[20:38:00] CFB: The new motherboard improved it substantially
[20:38:00] Lathi: i'm sure this is asked 1000x, but looking for recomendation for cheap frontend
[20:38:00] CFB: I have been running with 0.16 for ages
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[20:38:00] laga: Lathi: the mediamvp?
[20:39:00] CFB: Just doing the upgrade to 0.18 today
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: I've been gone for week so now it's time to upgrade to .18 here
[20:39:00] CFB: GreyFoxx: Interested to hear you say that
[20:39:00] laga: i wanted to do the upgrade today, but my rpm/apt-get doesnt work
[20:39:00] laga: i'll fix it tomorrow
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: I have a MediaMVP here as well, I love it
[20:39:00] Lathi: reading the page here now. how does this work with mythtv? it's got it's own front end software?
[20:40:00] laga: GreyFoxx: do they have mpeg4 -> mpeg2 on the fly transcoding working now?
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: laga: I haven't spent any time trying since just after I got it
[20:40:00] laga: oh, ok.
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: I know that some people have been working on it, but nothing I've seen on the mai.ling list
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: I've got a ton of mailling lists to catch up on now that I'm home
[20:41:00] ZMorek: yeah I set the kver... it's in the wilsonet guide... I seem to have a tendency to skip steps
[20:41:00] laga: hehe. hoe was your trip?
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: Loved it
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[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: I'd move on there in a minute
[20:41:00] laga: cool ;)
[20:41:00] Lathi: mediamvp says it requires a windows pc
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: Went to Amsterdam on Thursday, was fun
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: Lathi: Cause They on;ly provide windows software
[20:42:00] GreyFoxx: There is an Open source alternative
[20:42:00] GreyFoxx: MvpMC
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[20:42:00] Lathi: so you have to reflash it?
[20:42:00] GreyFoxx: No
[20:42:00] [Klatuu]: why does sound suck on my PVR-500 if I capture via S-Video?
[20:42:00] GreyFoxx: The box dhcps and tftp's down it's bootsoftware image
[20:42:00] Lathi: ah
[20:42:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Makes me want to go back. I enjoyed it a lot
[20:42:00] Lathi: $100 is a good price for a frontend
[20:43:00] laga: GreyFoxx: well, you said something about going there for 3 months...
[20:43:00] GreyFoxx: And it was nice being so far from the US ;)
[20:43:00] GreyFoxx: hehe jk
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[20:43:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Yeah, my bosses are still "talking about it" so of course I'm sitting here waiting
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[20:44:00] GreyFoxx: They like to spring stuff on us
[20:44:00] defaultro: hey guys, how do we tell a gui app to run on :0
[20:44:00] marmoset: defaultro: export DISPLAY=:0
[20:44:00] mchou: defaultro: hey there
[20:44:00] GreyFoxx: DISPLAY=:0 appname
[20:44:00] GreyFoxx: or export it first
[20:44:00] defaultro: hi mchou
[20:44:00] mchou: defaultro: watch this week's house?
[20:44:00] defaultro: yep
[20:44:00] defaultro: looks like vulgar is out
[20:44:00] defaultro: volger
[20:44:00] mchou: defaultro: I was disappointed.
[20:45:00] defaultro: she didn't come back
[20:45:00] marmoset: mchou: fyi, my 500 from amazon came with the extra breakout thing
[20:45:00] mchou: Cuddy did the heavy lifting
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[20:45:00] defaultro: yep
[20:45:00] mchou: marmoset: wow, good deal then.
[20:45:00] mchou: marmoset: I got another 150 from circuit city last night :)
[20:46:00] mchou: 2x150s now....
[20:46:00] mchou: defaultro: but you know what?? she is still in the creduts :)
[20:46:00] mchou: credits*
[20:47:00] defaultro: yep
[20:47:00] mchou: which means she hasn't really left :)
[20:47:00] defaultro: that's what i thought
[20:47:00] defaultro: she hasn't send any resign lettre yet
[20:47:00] mchou: next wk is a repeat :)
[20:47:00] defaultro: :(
[20:47:00] laga: GreyFoxx: well, good luck ;)
[20:47:00] defaultro: it';s ok
[20:48:00] defaultro: i actually just saw it last night coz i was so busy the whole week
[20:48:00] mchou: defaultro: we going to see some nudity on house now, I guess
[20:48:00] defaultro: glad mythtv saved my life
[20:48:00] defaultro: lol
[20:48:00] defaultro: huh
[20:48:00] defaultro: ?
[20:48:00] defaultro: nudity?
[20:48:00] mchou: yup.
[20:48:00] mchou: house and cameron.
[20:48:00] mchou: gonna be an item.
[20:48:00] mchou: no other explanation
[20:48:00] defaultro: :)
[20:49:00] defaultro: Greyfox, DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend worked ;)
[20:49:00] mchou: marmoset: so you get 500 working yet?
[20:50:00] marmoset: mchou: nope, sitting with it at work, when I feel not-so-guilty about leaving I'll head home and throw it in ;)
[20:50:00] mchou: marmoset: is the breakout thing a backplane bracket or a lil 3.5 box?
[20:50:00] marmoset: backplane bracket
[20:50:00] mchou: marmoset: work?? on a Sat?
[20:50:00] marmoset: mchou: yeah, we're a 24/7 place, we do it kinda like firefighters, I'm responsible for wednesday and saturday ;)
[20:50:00] mchou: marmoset: did you at least precompile ivtv at home??
[20:51:00] marmoset: not yet, no
[20:51:00] mchou: marmoset: lol, does that include the kitchen too?
[20:51:00] marmoset: haha
[20:51:00] marmoset: no
[20:51:00] marmoset: just keeping servers running ;)
[20:51:00] mchou: marmoset: sigh, you need to grease the skids man :)
[20:51:00] [Klatuu]: I wish I could subscribe to the ivtv mailing list
[20:52:00] laga: does anyone know why ivtv.sf.net isnt being updated anymore?
[20:52:00] defaultro: mchou, i will see you later
[20:52:00] mchou: marmoset: you know which version of 500 you got?
[20:52:00] mchou: later defaultro
[20:52:00] mchou: D492 or D292??
[20:52:00] marmoset: mchou: problematic one, 492
[20:53:00] mchou: ahh, wish you the best ten.
[20:53:00] mchou: then*
[20:53:00] Lathi: what type of hard disk configs do you guys run? some type of raid?
[20:53:00] [Klatuu]: hrmmm
[20:53:00] marmoset: lathi: a lot of people use LVM, but that doesn't provide any redundancy
[20:54:00] ZoOps: hello, im trying to compile mythTV without X support but it keeps looking for X libraries.. is it normal ?
[20:54:00] Lathi: hard disks freak me out. i don't like to trust anything on them that's not mirrored somewhere
[20:54:00] [Klatuu]: neither do most software raid systems
[20:55:00] [Klatuu]: I am using LVM2
[20:55:00] [Klatuu]: with 2 250 gig SATA drives
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[20:55:00] marmoset: lathi: I have 8x250G on 3ware cards in my main fileserver with raid 5, but my myth machine is just using lvm cuz I won't be heartbroken if it explodes
[20:55:00] [Klatuu]: one big volume group
[20:55:00] [Klatuu]: striped logical volumes
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[20:56:00] Lathi: [Klatuu]: that's no data recovery in that if a drive fails
[20:56:00] [Klatuu]: *shrug*
[20:56:00] Lathi: if i build a mythtv, i'll use it as a filesever to archive photos onto as well...
[20:56:00] [Klatuu]: I'd have to cough up another $100 for a hardware raid controller
[20:57:00] [Klatuu]: software raid isn't really redundant
[20:57:00] Lathi: don't trust software raid in kernel?
[20:57:00] mchou: Tommck: hey there. Which ver of 500 do you have? D492 or D292?
[20:57:00] marmoset: lathi: I back up my myth machine, excluding all the media files. the configs are what is hard to reproduce, if you leave it going long enough it'll record all the things you lost ;)
[20:57:00] [Klatuu]: the software/hardware raid controllers on say a nforce mobo aren't redundant
[20:57:00] Lathi: [Klatuu]: why do you keep saying that? what about raid in the kernel space?
[20:57:00] marmoset: [Klatuu]: well, they are redundant, they just introduce other issues that may be worse than HD failure ;)
[20:57:00] [Klatuu]: I've tried it
[20:57:00] [Klatuu]: didn't like it
[20:57:00] mchou: anyone run myth here on mandrake 2005/10.2?
[20:57:00] marmoset: I'm happy with linux software raid
[20:58:00] [Klatuu]: especially with kernel versions
[20:58:00] Lathi: marmoset: what type of raid setup do you have?
[20:58:00] [Klatuu]: ugh
[20:58:00] [Klatuu]: why wont thunderbird send a proper message
[20:58:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: you 500 working yet?
[20:58:00] mchou: your*
[20:58:00] [Klatuu]: I can't subscribe to ivtv -devel using thunderbird
[20:58:00] [Klatuu]: but I can using evolution
[20:59:00] [Klatuu]: no
[20:59:00] [Klatuu]: I am still where I was last night
[20:59:00] mchou: [Klatuu]: try a vanilla kernel yet?
[20:59:00] [Klatuu]: sound sucks with S-video
[20:59:00] [Klatuu]: no
[20:59:00] marmoset: lathi: I used to use the 3ware cards (2 cards that each had 4 drives) with their raid 5. The performance isn't great though. Now I have the 3ware cards just for "changing" ide to scsi, then all 8 drives are seen individually by linux. The OS is on a raid 10 partition created with software raid (just 50 gigs, but massively redundant), and the rest of the space is one big raid 5 partition.
[20:59:00] [Klatuu]: there are plenty of people using gentoo
[21:00:00] [Klatuu]: and have no kernel problems
[21:00:00] Lathi: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/ . . . x/Fileserver
[21:00:00] Lathi: that looks like an ok system
[21:00:00] [Klatuu]: I also don't like IDE RAID
[21:00:00] marmoset: lathi: personally I would go for a pvr250 and an nvidia card with tv out
[21:00:00] marmoset: (or a pvr 150, but they require more work currently)
[21:01:00] Lathi: i'm seeing a hauppage 980 or something
[21:01:00] mchou: marmoset: huh?? pvr 150 is pretty simple if you have 2.6 kernel....
[21:02:00] Lathi: how does that 980 compare to the 250?
[21:02:00] mchou: at this stage I'd would not go for 250.....
[21:02:00] marmoset: mchou: that's fine, I'm just saying that it may be a little more complicated depending on what sort of install you do.
[21:02:00] marmoset: Lathi: no idea what a 980 is
[21:02:00] mchou: 980 is probably not supported.
[21:03:00] Lathi: http://www2.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16815116602
[21:03:00] mchou: ancient, not even supported in windows :)
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[21:03:00] mchou: sorry, take that back.
[21:04:00] Lathi: so the 250 is most recommended?
[21:04:00] mchou: yes it is.
[21:04:00] mchou: but I have 2 150's with no roblems :)
[21:04:00] CFB: ...or the 350, if you want TV out
[21:04:00] [Klatuu]: I guess I am just going to have to buy those hardy boys videos if I want to see them in anything other than a postage stamp sized window
[21:04:00] mchou: Lathi: you live in US?
[21:05:00] Lathi: ye
[21:05:00] Lathi: yea
[21:05:00] mchou: Lathi: Circuit city has a sale on 150 for $60 after rebates. (last day)
[21:05:00] mchou: very good deal in my opion.
[21:05:00] mchou: opinion*
[21:06:00] Lathi: that would commit me to building a mythtv alright
[21:06:00] mchou: Lathi: or MCE :)
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[21:06:00] mchou: Lathi: naw, if it doesnt work you return it :)
[21:06:00] Lathi: i only have two apple powerbooks and two old crt slot-loading imacs
[21:06:00] Lathi: nothing that can take a pci card
[21:06:00] mchou: oops.....
[21:07:00] mchou: then you're sol :)
[21:07:00] laga: you'd probably like a convertx something by plextor.
[21:07:00] Lathi: so i pretty much have to decide if i'm going to cough up for a new pc
[21:07:00] mchou: yea, that would work.
[21:07:00] laga: or some DVB thingie, but i dont know if they are well supported.
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[21:07:00] slePP: anyone know of a good little MPEG2/MPEG1 encoder library?
[21:07:00] mchou: Lathi: if you get HW encoder you dont need powerful PC at all.
[21:08:00] [Klatuu]: hrmmm
[21:08:00] mchou: Lathi: I'm running P2 450 :)
[21:08:00] [Klatuu]: why did gentoo break up the myth 0.18 packages
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[21:09:00] mchou: Lathi: get a used PC and try it out on the cheap. Local Surplus store sells p3 950Mhz complete systems for $150.
[21:09:00] Lathi: oh, i actually have something like that convertx. i got a new ati tv wonder 2.0 usb capture device to grab stuff off my old camcorder
[21:09:00] mchou: Lathi: not the same thing at all.
[21:10:00] mchou: not even close :)
[21:10:00] Lathi: and the 150 has a hardware encoder?
[21:10:00] marmoset: mchou: only took 45s to compile the new ivtv, not much skid greasing needed ;)
[21:10:00] laga: p3 950 should be sufficient
[21:10:00] ** slePP likes the 150mce **
[21:10:00] laga: for SDTV ;)
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[21:10:00] mchou: marmoset: you compile and install it already??
[21:10:00] mchou: cause depmod might show some unresolved symbols :)
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[21:11:00] marmoset: it's compiled yeah, but I'm not gonna install it until I get home, I don't want to screw up the recordings happening between now and then
[21:11:00] mchou: marmoset: no, I mean install the module (not the HW)
[21:11:00] Lathi: how much problem is there with motherboard and hauppauge compatibility?
[21:11:00] Cromz: ivtv: Failed to load module tveeprom grrrrr
[21:11:00] mchou: Lathi: not much really.....
[21:11:00] marmoset: mchou: yeah, I know, but I'm using 2xpvr250s right now
[21:12:00] Lathi: how careful do i need to be in selecting a motherboard? just careful about linux support, right?
[21:12:00] laga: Lathi: some people have problems with via chipsets and the pvr cards. check ivtv.sf.net they have som kind of compatibility list
[21:12:00] mchou: Lathi: pretty much.
[21:12:00] marmoset: I've had problems with pretty much every chipset (except recent intel ones)
[21:12:00] mchou: Lathi: you gonna buy new or used, you think?
[21:13:00] Lathi: dunno. i _do_ need some type of fileserver to get my growing photo collection off my laptop
[21:13:00] mchou: Lathi: you live in a big city?
[21:13:00] mchou: cause that would help :)
[21:13:00] Lathi: cincinnati. take that for what it's worth ;-)
[21:13:00] mchou: Lathi: you rioting? :)
[21:13:00] Lathi: not yet!
[21:13:00] mchou: lol.
[21:14:00] mchou: Cincinnati is a depressing town right now.
[21:14:00] Lathi: ?
[21:14:00] mchou: lots of tension.
[21:14:00] Lathi: you live here?
[21:14:00] mchou: nope.
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[21:14:00] Lathi: then how do you know?
[21:15:00] mchou: cause I know ppl who live there.
[21:15:00] mchou: and they been telling me.
[21:15:00] hadees: anyone ever hear of xquery?
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[21:15:00] Lathi: hmm, i've not found it to be tense. i work downtown and live out in the burbs though
[21:15:00] ** slePP wonders if mythtv 0.18 will fix all his issues on the other box **
[21:17:00] mchou: Lathi: depends if you're white or not :)
[21:18:00] Lathi: i guess. i am white, but i know, work, and hang out with some blacks too
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[21:18:00] Lathi: i'm having a hard time finding mobo recommendations on ivtv
[21:19:00] mchou: Lathi: seriously, I 'd buy a used comp (locally) if you can get a decent one for cheap.
[21:19:00] Lathi: i don't know of any retail places that sell used computers. i guess there's always the classifieds
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[21:19:00] mchou: Lathi: basically anthing will work.
[21:20:00] mchou: Lathi: look in yellow pages for surplus-Electronics
[21:20:00] marmoset: lathi: check out craiglist if you do want to go used
[21:20:00] slePP: which version of Qt works properly for time zones?
[21:20:00] marmoset: http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/sys/
[21:21:00] mchou: you really have to be unlucky to find one that doesnt work, in which case I suggest you play the lottery and win $5Mil :)
[21:21:00] laga: slePP: i hear there was a problem with 3.3.4. IIRC, this is fixed in 0.18
[21:22:00] slePP: it wasn't in the changelog..
[21:22:00] mchou: laga: you mean QT, right?
[21:22:00] laga: mchou: yep.
[21:22:00] slePP: just debating if i should downgrade Qt before i install 0.18
[21:22:00] mchou: I dont really know if that's been fixed in .18.....
[21:22:00] Lathi: mchou: http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/sys/65711941.html
[21:23:00] mchou: slePP: goe to the dev channel and ask after you've searched the changelog.
[21:23:00] mchou: Lathi: guy doesnt say how much he wants for it.....
[21:24:00] Lathi: $365
[21:24:00] mchou: Plus you dont need half that crap like windows.
[21:25:00] mchou: Lathi: nah, you should be abel to find a better deal than that.
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[21:25:00] mchou: 365 gets you a nice new Sempron XP2800+ full system these days at frys.
[21:26:00] mchou: Comes with windows and stuff.
[21:27:00] slePP: what compile options do most of you use for mythtv?
[21:27:00] ** slePP is wondering if the -Os is messing with it **
[21:27:00] mchou: Lathi: You're looking for lets say 1Ghz or so system for less than say 170......
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[21:27:00] mchou: Lathi: even then you might be paying too much.
[21:28:00] mchou: Lathi: seriously call around in the surplus shops.
[21:28:00] Lathi: but even then i'd have to drop some hard drives in it
[21:28:00] mchou: I'd try that b4 craigslist.
[21:28:00] mchou: Lathi: you have to do that even for a new one :)
[21:29:00] mchou: cause even new ones dont come with big enough drives :)
[21:29:00] Lathi: yea, but if you don't count memory or hard disk on a new one; the price is quite low... like $150 or so
[21:29:00] Lathi: maybe $250
[21:30:00] mchou: Lathi: you mean a CPU+mobo combo?
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[21:30:00] Lathi: yea, or a barebones system from newegg
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[21:30:00] lucas333: anyone here using commflagging?
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[21:30:00] mchou: nah, costs start adding up if you include case, CD-rom, power supply, all that shit.
[21:30:00] CFB: lucas333: Not since 0.16
[21:31:00] marmoset: lucas333: yeah, in .17 with a pvr 250 it works great :)
[21:31:00] mchou: which is why you're loking for a complete sys for less than 170 (if you can find it)
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[21:31:00] mchou: looking*
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[21:32:00] mchou: Lathi: you plan on getting HDTV for myth or no?
[21:32:00] Lathi: http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856119002
[21:32:00] Lathi: no, i don't have hdtv
[21:33:00] mchou: lol, that doesnt have proc or memory or HDD :)
[21:33:00] j0seph: Lathi, cool case
[21:33:00] lucas333: I'm looking for recordings that do not commflag well.
[21:33:00] mchou: it does have graphics. nvidia graphics is preffered.
[21:34:00] mchou: preferred*
[21:34:00] lucas333: If you have one, I"d love to add it to my commflag testsuite, so I can test a few new methods of comeflagging
[21:34:00] mchou: lucas333: you have a mythcomm test suite?
[21:34:00] marmoset: lucas333: define not well :)
[21:35:00] lucas333: I am trying to make one... its hard to improve commflagging without being able to test on recordings from different channels & diffrent countries.
[21:35:00] marmoset: lucas333: there's some shows I have where like the last part of the show (like 2 minutes at the end) is never caught
[21:35:00] lucas333: not well = anything that does not flag perfectly... that includes commercials at the end of the recording, begginning of the recording, and those stationtrailers right infront and after commbreaks.
[21:36:00] marmoset: lucas333: and on a lot of stuff, I do have to move the marker a few frames back/forward — it seems to know exactly where the blank frame is, it just goes a little before or after it. Ideally the marker would be right on the blank frame.
[21:36:00] mchou: Lathi: if you dont plan on HDTV I'd definitely get used comp with an nvidia card in it :)
[21:36:00] mchou: Lathi: that would be important.
[21:36:00] lucas333: marmoset: Could I get one of those recordings from you?
[21:36:00] marmoset: lucas333: yes, I can make it available, not today tho. They're big too — 1.1 gigs (480x480 mpeg2)
[21:37:00] marmoset: for a half hour show
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[21:37:00] mchou: lucas333: yeah, size is a problem for us......
[21:37:00] lucas333: right.. well if you could that would be great... I've got a decent connection, and I don't mind if it takes a long time
[21:38:00] marmoset: lucas333: sure, no problem. I can easily put as many things as needed on 100Mbit uplinks, I just have to bring it in to work.
[21:38:00] marmoset: lucas333: what's the best way to let you know when I have something for you to download?
[21:38:00] lucas333: email me at lucas@mach8.nl
[21:38:00] marmoset: ok, will do, probably monday
[21:39:00] lucas333: I'm looking for stuff that doesn't flag well, but also stuff that does... basically I want to have a set of recordings that I can run new commflagging code on to see if it works.
[21:39:00] marmoset: awesome
[21:39:00] lucas333: I've been doing some work, and on my dutch shows it works great... but maybe for some us channel, it hardly works, no way to tell besides testing.
[21:39:00] lucas333: k, thanks a bunch.
[21:39:00] lucas333: anyone else reading this, I'm looking for as much as possible, from different countries & channels..
[21:40:00] CFB: lucas333: Is that an open offer? I'm in the UK
[21:40:00] CFB: ah..ok
[21:40:00] lucas333: cfb: yes please!
[21:42:00] mchou: lucas333: you're not a "content pirate" in disguise, are you? :)
[21:42:00] lucas333: hehe :)
[21:42:00] lucas333: im with the movie people, and will bust your ass :)
[21:43:00] mchou: bittorrent in reverse :)
[21:43:00] slePP: anagedlist.cpp: In constructor `ManagedListGroup::ManagedListGroup(const
[21:43:00] slePP: QString&, ManagedListGroup*, ManagedList*, QObject*, const char*)':
[21:43:00] slePP: managedlist.cpp:242: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
[21:43:00] slePP: nice
[21:43:00] mchou: slePP: nice!!
[21:43:00] ** slePP ran out of memory **
[21:43:00] slePP: :>
[21:43:00] mchou: gcc error or bad memory :)
[21:43:00] slePP: no, just ran out
[21:43:00] mchou: hmm?? no swap?
[21:44:00] slePP: i have 12 of them running in parallel... and since it's Qt, it's like 230megs each process
[21:44:00] slePP: total used free shared buffers cached
[21:44:00] slePP: Mem: 1035176 509048 526128 0 14372 132640
[21:44:00] slePP: -/+ buffers/cache: 362036 673140
[21:44:00] slePP: Swap: 2008116 836812 1171304
[21:44:00] slePP: it used up all the swap and free :>
[21:44:00] lucas333: sfb: if you can get me something from the uk that would be great... you can reach me at lucas@mach8.nl
[21:44:00] slePP: i saw it on top
[21:44:00] mchou: not according to what you pasted.
[21:44:00] slePP: no, i pasted after it crashed out
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[21:46:00] Beirdo: heya, slePP :)
[21:47:00] slePP: alloallo
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[21:49:00] mchou: marmoset: if 500 works, are you going to retire 250?
[21:50:00] [Klatuu]: well
[21:50:00] [Klatuu]: I am not the only one with PVR-500 sound problems
[21:50:00] StringBlade: quick question: how do I create a category in MythVideo? I managed to do it once, but am too blind or stupid to do it again and there's no documentation on the subject I can find.
[21:51:00] marmoset: mchou: I'll get another 500 and do something else with the 250s, yeah
[21:51:00] Lathi: what's the advantage of using the 350 for tv-out rather than tv out on a normal video card?
[21:51:00] slePP: hardware mpeg2 decoding
[21:51:00] mchou: marmoset: four tuners?? lol, too much tv dude :)
[21:52:00] Beirdo: bah
[21:52:00] Beirdo: I have 3
[21:52:00] marmoset: mchou: so I can do a minute before and a minute after each show, too much stuff gets missed as it is cuz of station timers being wrong
[21:52:00] mchou: Lathi: also better PQ than video card svideo :)
[21:52:00] mchou: marmoset: huh????
[21:52:00] slePP: MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 0.
[21:52:00] slePP: Bank 1: 9400000000000151
[21:52:00] slePP: i love those
[21:52:00] marmoset: plus, heh, almost need a minute for that #$%$# AT&T digital cable shit to get off the screen after changing
[21:52:00] Lathi: so if i had a hauppauge 350 then i wouldn't need a video card at all?
[21:53:00] marmoset: mchou: all the stations have their own version of what time it is, heh. starting at :00 and ending at :30 will often miss like 5–10 seconds either at the beginning or at the ending
[21:53:00] mchou: Lathi: depend on mobo. some mobos wont boot w/o vga card :)
[21:53:00] marmoset: very few mobos let you boot without vga
[21:54:00] ** slePP hasn't seen many recent ones that won't.. but that's just me **
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[21:54:00] mchou: but you can get some really cheap ass vga is all if you have 350....
[21:54:00] slePP: find an old PCI S3 Virge :>
[21:54:00] marmoset: hehe
[21:54:00] marmoset: I have an ISA s3 card somewhere
[21:54:00] mchou: personally I dont think 350 is worth the effort, but that's just me.
[21:55:00] marmoset: lathi: I really recommend like an nvidia 5200 with tv out, they're cheap and easy to use, people sometimes have difficulties getting the 350's tv-out working
[21:55:00] slePP: i should really go invest in a Pundit...
[21:55:00] slePP: screw this C3 thing
[21:55:00] mchou: slePP: lol.
[21:55:00] mchou: C3 bastards.
[21:55:00] mchou: mongrels.
[21:55:00] slePP: heh
[21:55:00] marmoset: slePP: I just got a nehemiah, very happy with it ;)
[21:56:00] slePP: yeh, i have the samualfree
[21:56:00] mchou: slePP: you use MCE too?
[21:56:00] Lathi: does newegg not carry nvidia ?
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[21:56:00] mchou: Lathi: sure, just dont use that a manufacturer :)
[21:57:00] Lathi: are all these other brand FX5200 the same?
[21:57:00] mchou: in search
[21:57:00] mchou: yup.
[21:57:00] mchou: more or less.
[21:57:00] mchou: read the specs carefully though.
[21:57:00] mchou: some manufacturers play games.
[21:57:00] Lathi: what am i looking for?
[21:57:00] Lathi: http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814145115
[21:57:00] slePP: total used free shared buffers cached
[21:57:00] slePP: Mem: 1035176 1011144 24032 0 5140 33312
[21:57:00] slePP: -/+ buffers/cache: 972692 62484
[21:57:00] slePP: Swap: 2008116 1297696 710420
[21:58:00] mchou: like higher/lower memory bandwidth, reduced pipes, etc.
[21:58:00] mchou: all sorts of bullshit.
[21:58:00] CygnusX1: mchou, have you been to bed?
[21:58:00] mchou: bed is for pussies :)
[21:58:00] CygnusX1: LOL
[21:58:00] mchou: I meant that both literally and figuratively :)
[21:59:00] mchou: I'm still coherent is all that matters :)
[21:59:00] CygnusX1: Indeed
[21:59:00] mchou: probably more coherent than most of you here :)
[22:01:00] mchou: Lathi: if possible, get vid card with vga, dvi and svid/component
[22:01:00] mchou: component you can probably only get with higher end cards.
[22:01:00] slePP: ran out of memoyey again...
[22:01:00] mchou: dunno what your budget on this thing is.
[22:02:00] mchou: Lathi: but why not watch on your mac?
[22:02:00] Cromz: budgets.. we dont' need no stinkin budgets...
[22:02:00] Lathi: i'm up to $560 without capture
[22:02:00] mchou: no need for super duper vid card at all.
[22:02:00] mchou: dude, I think you're overbuilding man :)
[22:03:00] mchou: 560 you can get a nice A64 these days.
[22:03:00] Lathi: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/ . . . ile%20server
[22:04:00] mchou: link doesnt work for me.
[22:04:00] mchou: brings me to some darn log-in.
[22:06:00] mchou: Lathi: if you really have 560 to blow on this, just get A64.
[22:06:00] slePP: 7723 root 18 0 266m 122m 3224 D 2.5 12.2 0:24.78 143m cc1plus
[22:06:00] slePP: running 12 of those is very, very bad...
[22:06:00] marmoset: slePP: gotta love c++ ;)
[22:06:00] slePP: C++ w/ Qt
[22:06:00] slePP: it's just evil
[22:07:00] mchou: personally I think 560 is too much on a myth box.
[22:07:00] ** slePP spent $430, including the pvr-350 **
[22:07:00] mchou: exactly.
[22:08:00] Lathi: well, that's a sempron 2600, 1GB RAM, 2x120g SATA150
[22:08:00] ** slePP needs about 4 more gigs of ram to make this reasonably fast at compiling **
[22:09:00] ** slePP drops the -j11 to -j3 **
[22:09:00] slePP: Lathi: quite a bit of ram for it :>
[22:09:00] mchou: Lathi: you're overpaying if that's a sempron 2600+
[22:09:00] marmoset: depends on the case and psu
[22:09:00] ** slePP can build that machine for about $500.. **
[22:09:00] marmoset: cheap cases suck ass
[22:09:00] Lathi: that chaintech geforce fx5200 is $50
[22:10:00] marmoset: cheap motherboards can also be a pain in the ass
[22:10:00] slePP: i pressed something while my machine was swapping, and now i have an e-mail that turned orange in thunderbird. wonder what that means
[22:10:00] Lathi: that's an antech case that looks pretty good.
[22:10:00] ** marmoset has plenty of fry's special motherboards stuck in a box cuz they barely work **
[22:10:00] mchou: marmoset: there is no need for expensive case if it's gonna be a server :)
[22:10:00] marmoset: mchou: not expensive, but still decent
[22:10:00] slePP: mchou: what if you stick it in the living room under the TV :>
[22:11:00] mchou: well, then price goes up :)
[22:11:00] ** slePP grins **
[22:11:00] ** slePP likes the little via c3 he got.. **
[22:11:00] marmoset: mchou: shtty plastic rails, a case where you have to take the mobo out to swap drives, things like that make it worthwhile to get a decent case
[22:11:00] slePP: $240 to have that thing with 384mb of ram and 120g SATA
[22:11:00] slePP: then the nightmarish cost of the pvr350
[22:12:00] marmoset: decent PSU is important for drive lifetime too
[22:12:00] slePP: marmoset: taking the mobo out to switch drives? what kind of supercrap case is that?
[22:12:00] mchou: marmoset: I've seen $40 cases that are nice.
[22:12:00] marmoset: slePP: oh, I've seen tons that do all kinds of weird stuff ;)
[22:12:00] ** slePP likes these little $40 cases he puts servers in **
[22:12:00] slePP: marmoset: nasty
[22:12:00] mchou: yeah, who makes that kind of crap these days?
[22:12:00] marmoset: lots of people
[22:12:00] slePP: 2U box, 4 drive bays (2ext), and they look nice
[22:12:00] marmoset: go look at fry's
[22:13:00] ** slePP lacks Fry's :< **
[22:13:00] marmoset: while there can be decent cheap cases, they're the exception rather than the rule
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[22:13:00] marmoset: if you're talking $40 with no psu, then that's not as bad
[22:13:00] mchou: I've been to frys. I havent seen too mand bad cases there lately. (even though they look butt ugly)
[22:13:00] slePP: temp1: +42 C (high = +80 C, hyst = +2 C)
[22:13:00] slePP: temp2: +127.0 C (high = +190 C, hyst = +170 C) (beep)
[22:13:00] slePP: temp3: +138.0 C (high = +190 C, hyst = +170 C)
[22:13:00] mchou: marmoset: $40 w/PSU.
[22:13:00] slePP: someone tell me what's wrong there.....
[22:13:00] marmoset: mchou: yes, I don't know why they feel the need to have cases that look like transformers
[22:14:00] mchou: marmoset: or aliens :)
[22:14:00] marmoset: haha
[22:14:00] marmoset: yes
[22:14:00] marmoset: alien vs predator shouldn't be a decision you're making when you're choosing a computer case
[22:15:00] mchou: marmoset: where do you live?
[22:15:00] marmoset: mchou: seattle
[22:15:00] marmoset: where all the cool kids are
[22:15:00] mchou: seattle is demented. Highest per capita suicide rate in US :)
[22:16:00] marmoset: the weak don't survive, no
[22:16:00] mchou: speaking of cases, I love those older plastic cases from dell.
[22:17:00] mchou: Dampen sound really well.
[22:17:00] rpete: seattle weather must be worse than I've heard
[22:17:00] mchou: I scavenge those whenever I see them.
[22:17:00] marmoset: rpete: weather's great actually
[22:17:00] mchou: nice air circulation in there too.
[22:18:00] marmoset: rains for the winter, but most beautiful spring/summer anywhere
[22:18:00] mchou: marmoset: nope. Portland is better :)
[22:18:00] marmoset: http://dpk.net/wp-content-open/Picture142_22Apr05.jpg
[22:18:00] marmoset: picture from treo yesterday (co-worker)
[22:18:00] marmoset: mchou: I've lived there too, prefer seattle ;)
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[22:19:00] mchou: I dont like portland or seattle. both places are too poor to build decent roads.
[22:19:00] mchou: ditch on the sides of the street, wtf.....
[22:20:00] mchou: that's just too hick for me.
[22:22:00] slePP: it is so bad when i burn my finger on one oft he CPUs
[22:22:00] slePP: it's running just over 80degreesC
[22:22:00] mchou: that's rather toasty.
[22:22:00] slePP: yeh
[22:22:00] slePP: my office is about 30degC
[22:22:00] mchou: mine is rinning at 39C right now.
[22:23:00] ** slePP 's run about 45 in a single CPU situation **
[22:23:00] slePP: they hit 55 in dual
[22:23:00] slePP: then 65–70 under high load
[22:23:00] slePP: but they're being heated from the air in this room a bit more than usual
[22:23:00] Lathi: well, thanks for the tips
[22:23:00] Lathi: time to go
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[22:24:00] slePP: pulling the side of the case off dropped the temps by about 10degC already
[22:24:00] slePP: nice
[22:24:00] slePP: well, cpu1 dropped. cpu2 is still way too hot
[22:25:00] ZoOps: hello, im trying to compile mythTV without X support but it keeps looking for X libraries.. is it normal ?
[22:25:00] slePP: yes, since it needs Qt
[22:25:00] mchou: ZoOps: lemme guess, gentoo user?
[22:25:00] ZoOps: nope, slack
[22:25:00] Dibblah: Yesish, since it can run (allegedly) with qt-e.
[22:25:00] Dibblah: Just give up and use X ;)
[22:26:00] slePP: Dibblah: Terry Pratchet?
[22:26:00] Dibblah: Last time I tried QT-e it didn't work and I couldn't be bothered figuring out why.
[22:26:00] ZoOps: ill keep trying, directfb has very nice screenshots!
[22:26:00] Dibblah: Of course.
[22:26:00] Dibblah: ZoOps: I wouldn't bother.
[22:27:00] mchou: yep. That's just needless grief.
[22:27:00] Dibblah: mchou: Why you dissing gentoo users, anyway? ;)
[22:27:00] mchou: cause :)
[22:27:00] mchou: I need some entertainment :)
[22:28:00] ZoOps: its just more about curiosity. Im also compiling enlightenment 17 all with directfb
[22:28:00] mchou: lol.
[22:29:00] mchou: ZoOps: I bet you're into S&M too :)
[22:29:00] ZoOps: hehehe no no.. its just change one or other variable name and all should work...
[22:30:00] ZoOps: ok, its painful!
[22:30:00] mchou: feel the pain!!
[22:32:00] CygnusX1: Besides mchou, does anyone have lirc wirking with the "new" huappage remote?
[22:32:00] slePP: "new"?
[22:32:00] mchou: CygnusX1: I thought we discussed this last night.
[22:33:00] CygnusX1: The one that comes wiht the PVR150
[22:33:00] ** slePP got the 150 mce **
[22:33:00] CygnusX1: mchou, nap time. :-)
[22:33:00] slePP: so no remote for me
[22:33:00] mchou: CygnusX1: you try latest lirc cvs?
[22:33:00] CygnusX1: I am desperate. Everything is working but the remote. My wife looked at me funny when I asked her to go buy me a wireless eyboard.
[22:33:00] mchou: CygnusX1: lol :)
[22:34:00] mchou: CygnusX1: forget the remote for now.
[22:34:00] CygnusX1: I have 0.74pre4 released on the 17th.
[22:34:00] mchou: use a playstation2 gamepad as remote control.
[22:34:00] CygnusX1: It just isn't useful without it.
[22:34:00] mchou: trust me, it's cool.
[22:34:00] slePP: just throw cookies at it
[22:35:00] mchou: CygnusX1: if you do get keboard, go for infrared. not RF.
[22:36:00] mchou: keyboard*
[22:36:00] CygnusX1: mchou, That's so I can get a universal learning remote to learn it, right?
[22:36:00] mchou: yup.
[22:37:00] CygnusX1: That sounds like a mission.
[22:37:00] mchou: CygnusX1: http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/keyboard/sk7100.asp
[22:38:00] slePP: http://www.thermaltake.com/watercooling/cl-w0 . . . cl-w0011.htm
[22:38:00] slePP: that doesn't make me think 'rocket ship'.......
[22:38:00] mchou: a little dated, but still a very good kb for HTPC.
[22:38:00] CygnusX1: Looks good. Thank you mchou
[22:38:00] mchou: slePP: lol, I just think that's so silly.
[22:39:00] ** slePP can see a rather "Excited" girlfriend finding that more useful for other uses.. being that it's warm and all **
[22:39:00] ** slePP is trying to find a water cooler that will work well on dual cpu boxes **
[22:39:00] slePP: but most of them don't have the radiative capacity to pull it off
[22:40:00] mchou: lol, you're just a sicko.
[22:40:00] slePP: that i am
[22:40:00] slePP: mm. liquid cooled 4 U case
[22:41:00] slePP: Blue reservoir LED lighting — great.. more dorky blue
[22:43:00] mchou: CygnusX1: I think you should try lirc cvs though.
[22:44:00] ZoOps: whats that "(dcc_build_somewhere) Warning: failed to distribute, running locally instead" means ?
[22:45:00] CygnusX1: mchou, Okay, I'll give that a whirl why the wife scouts out a keyboard. The keyboard would be handy anyway for some things.
[22:45:00] mchou: CygnusX1: your wife is really getting you one??
[22:45:00] mchou: sigh....
[22:46:00] CygnusX1: She loves to get out of the house. :-)
[22:47:00] CygnusX1: She'll probably pick up a new purse and a pair of shoes while she's out.
[22:47:00] slePP: heheh
[22:48:00] Cromz: CygnusX1: http://www.gyration.com/ultragt-fsk.htm  :>
[22:49:00] mchou: do not buy the gyration. you will regret it later.
[22:49:00] Cromz: whatever
[22:49:00] mchou: those things break very easily.
[22:49:00] slePP: well, don't throw them around and they might not :>
[22:49:00] Cromz: well ya.. you don't use them like footballs
[22:50:00] jams: had mine for over two years.
[22:50:00] CygnusX1: ROFL. That mouse cracks me up. It reminds me of this girl in high school....first time she saw a Mac, she picked the mouse up like that and waved it at the screen.
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[22:50:00] mchou: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . ght=gyration
[22:50:00] CygnusX1: And I think that was before Scotty did it on Trek.
[22:50:00] phillip37: hi everybody
[22:51:00] slePP: mchou: those are some of the worst colours i have seen on a page in a long time
[22:51:00] phillip37: what program can i use on my mythtv box that i can use to go onto irc channels like here anybody know at all
[22:52:00] phillip37: i use mirc on my windows box what should i use on my mythtv box
[22:52:00] slePP: x-chat?
[22:52:00] mchou: slePP: it's not the colors, it's the content that matters.
[22:52:00] slePP: mchou: the yellow on blue with their pixel based font size is impossible to read :P
[22:52:00] ** slePP disables CSS **
[22:52:00] phillip37: ok slepp
[22:53:00] mchou: slePP: that's cause you have a lousy monitor
[22:53:00] ** slePP tactically nukes all websites that use font-size:8px **
[22:53:00] phillip37: slepp what version would i need to download as i have no idea what i have to download ok
[22:53:00] mchou: they chose that color scheme for a reason. Bad monitors perform poorly on those colors.
[22:53:00] slePP: mchou: heh. 8px @ 1732x1344
[22:54:00] slePP: is not easily readible :P
[22:54:00] slePP: it's a dell P1110.. everything else performs well :P
[22:54:00] slePP: it's the _size_ that is the problem
[22:54:00] mchou: misconvergence will show up readily with those colors.
[22:54:00] Cromz: well that's nice of them to test our monitors to thier specs :P
[22:54:00] slePP: and at that size, with those colours, it's not readable.
[22:54:00] ** slePP shows you his convergance **
[22:55:00] ** CygnusX1 ponders the possibilty of having his 5900 output to both the TV and monitor simultaneously **
[22:55:00] mchou: so change the color. nothing is stopping you :)
[22:55:00] slePP: i did already :>
[22:55:00] slePP: but i
[22:55:00] slePP: i'm saying it's more the ridiculous font-size setting they use
[22:55:00] slePP: (like way too many sites..)
[22:55:00] mchou: so, change the font size too, lol :)
[22:55:00] ** slePP actually finds yellow on blue quite nice to read.. if the font size is at all reasonable. **
[22:56:00] slePP: mchou: i disabled all the CSS for the page. it's quite readable now
[22:56:00] CygnusX1:
[22:57:00] CygnusX1: Bah!! Why do I have pre4!!!
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[22:58:00] mchou: CygnusX1: told ya :)
[22:58:00] CygnusX1: :-)\
[23:01:00] Cromz: jams: ever hear from the jgoo? I wanna hear if he ever found out what we was talking about that one day.. lol 802.11X remote controler for myth
[23:02:00] Cromz: I havn't seen jgoo since that day
[23:05:00] mchou: this shit better work now.....
[23:06:00] mchou: my neighbors are really silly. They have unsecured wireless networks.
[23:07:00] Cromz: lol better watch out.. you might see more then you bargin for ;)
[23:08:00] Cromz: you might accedently tap into thier bedroom cam or something hahahaaha
[23:08:00] mchou: you probably wont see crap if they are doing it in the dark :)
[23:09:00] Cromz: ya never know.. they might have the light on.. hahah
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[23:11:00] mchou: I just dont understand why ppl dont bother to secure their network.
[23:12:00] mchou: they probably dont even have firewall either.....
[23:12:00] Cromz: alot of people don't think the wireless will go outside thier house. :/
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[23:42:00] slePP: the new myth version got confused by the dual head displays...
[23:42:00] ** slePP hmms **
[23:44:00] slePP: uhm. ok.. time zones are still out of whack
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[23:56:00] slePP: is there a way to clear all the scheduled recordings so it starts recording the right things?
[23:58:00] slePP: oh, it all settled down now. yay

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