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| [00:00:00] | Beirdo: | so buy a better card? :) |
| [00:00:00] | riksta: | i have dvb cards |
| [00:00:00] | riksta: | just the antenna is broken |
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| [00:00:00] | riksta: | and they still wont fix it |
| [00:00:00] | riksta: | so for now i gotta use bttv |
| [00:00:00] | riksta: | analogue |
| [00:00:00] | riksta: | reverted to old kernels, ripped cards out, reset bios, tried 10 kernels, tried cvs snapshop bttv crap, moved cards around |
| [00:00:00] | riksta: | you name it |
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| [00:01:00] | riksta: | i'm gonna cry |
| [00:01:00] | marmoset: | Beirdo: mpeg2cut should be pretty quick, ya? |
| [00:01:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [00:02:00] | riksta: | as quick as your disk can write :) |
| [00:02:00] | marmoset: | ok, hmm |
| [00:02:00] | riksta: | about :) |
| [00:02:00] | marmoset: | I think it's hung then |
| [00:02:00] | marmoset: | but I'm not sure |
| [00:03:00] | marmoset: | ah, yup, I think it forks and the avidemux2 that forks dies, it's showing up as a zombie |
| [00:04:00] | Beirdo: | fix your avidemux2 then :) |
| [00:04:00] | Beirdo: | that bitch has been a total PITA |
| [00:04:00] | marmoset: | It's crazy how difficult video stuff has to be :) |
| [00:05:00] | riksta: | Beirdo: you on the whiskey? |
| [00:05:00] | riksta: | or bit early? :) |
| [00:05:00] | Beirdo: | no, I'm at work |
| [00:05:00] | riksta: | lol |
| [00:05:00] | Beirdo: | just tailing down and ready to go home though |
| [00:06:00] | riksta: | i got gin, no whiskey left |
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| [00:06:00] | riksta: | hey bjohnson |
| [00:07:00] | marmoset: | Beirdo: any idea about fixing avidemux? |
| [00:07:00] | Beirdo: | try a different version as a starter |
| [00:07:00] | Beirdo: | what version are you running? |
| [00:08:00] | marmoset: | hmm, latest one, 2.0.38rc2b |
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| [00:09:00] | Beirdo: | try something older then |
| [00:09:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:09:00] | Beirdo: | I think most of the testing was on 2.0.28 and 2.0.32 |
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| [00:10:00] | marmoset: | ok, will try |
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| [00:31:00] | Delemas_: | hmm something strange going on with cvs... |
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| [00:33:00] | joshe: | Is anyone around able to help me test Myth Phone with FWD? Oh and HI. :) |
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| [00:35:00] | LedHed: | LOL |
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| [00:37:00] | Delemas_: | Is teh myth cvs server down? |
| [00:39:00] | Delemas_: | oh I see everything just moved. Nevermind... |
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| [01:42:00] | marmoset: | so on my frontend, maybe 10% of the time when I exit from watching something, it goes back to my desktop and hangs. mythtv is running, and not printing any errors. Strace'ing the frontend process shows it's doing a select/sleep loop. |
| [01:42:00] | marmoset: | any ideas? |
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| [01:48:00] | Gumby: | does anyone know what it takes to play .nuv's in windows? |
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| [02:34:00] | marmoset: | Beirdo: fwiw, the problem with mpeg2 commercial cutting is with stderr/stdout, when I removed the redirection on the avidemux2 parts of mpeg2cut, it worked. |
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| [02:53:00] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [02:54:00] | A_: | libiec61883 1.0.0 is released! |
| [02:54:00] | A_: | www.linux1394.org |
| [02:54:00] | A_: | isn't that what was needed for 0.17 to work with dv output settop boxes? |
| [02:55:00] | marmoset: | wow, transcode is indeed a heck of a lot faster than ffmpeg for divx stuff |
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| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | muhahahah |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | just got to adept on the mud |
| [02:57:00] | ** marmoset wants everyone to have enough b/w where people can share backend slaves ** | |
| [02:58:00] | Beirdo: | not gonna happen |
| [02:59:00] | marmoset: | I think it will, it's just a question of when |
| [02:59:00] | Beirdo: | no it won't |
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| [03:00:00] | marmoset: | I've got 800kbit upstream, that's not *that* far from being able to share divx live |
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| [03:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | recording a show for your own use is one thing, recording it for distrobution (whether you charge for it or not ) is quite another |
| [03:04:00] | marmoset: | GreyFoxx: it'd be interesting legally, it's not really any different than like seti@home |
| [03:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | Uhhhh, distributed computing is VASTLY different than sharing content you have no legal right to share |
| [03:05:00] | marmoset: | I'm not talking about that |
| [03:05:00] | marmoset: | I'm saying that I could make my tuner available to you if I'm not using it |
| [03:05:00] | marmoset: | and you to me |
| [03:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, so I start to watch a show using your tuner, and you come along to watch a show yet you have to watch it from some dude in another country cause I've already got your tuner in use ? :) |
| [03:06:00] | marmoset: | local would get priority |
| [03:07:00] | marmoset: | ideally you'd set it up with a group of actual real world friends |
| [03:07:00] | marmoset: | not like it's just available to anyone :) |
| [03:07:00] | Beirdo: | still not going to happen :) |
| [03:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | Since you don't have a legal right to redistribute, or rebroadcast the content coming into your tuner to anyhone outside your household it's still not necessarily a good legal idea to give others access to the tuner :) |
| [03:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | whether I live down the street or around the world :) |
| [03:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I understand the "cool" idea. It's just not practical :) |
| [03:08:00] | Beirdo: | and when you get to HDTV, just not viable |
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| [03:09:00] | marmoset: | Beirdo: hdtv is barely viable period now, it's a lot of disk ;) |
| [03:09:00] | Beirdo: | bah :) |
| [03:09:00] | Beirdo: | disk is cheap |
| [03:09:00] | marmoset: | hdtv will fill it quickly tho |
| [03:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | It;s the lack of specialized decoder hardware being available to consumers that sucks for HDTV |
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| [03:12:00] | xri1: | can everyone still get to forevermore.net ? |
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| [03:13:00] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [03:13:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:13:00] | xri1: | cool |
| [03:13:00] | xri1: | new line is up and running |
| [03:13:00] | Beirdo: | you might wanna fix your nick :) |
| [03:13:00] | xri1: | and since it's unofficial, I'm not even paying for it yet |
| [03:13:00] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [03:13:00] | xri1: | oh, stupid gaim won't handle /nick when I tell it. |
| [03:13:00] | xri1: | brb |
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| [03:15:00] | Beirdo: | there you go |
| [03:15:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v xris | |
| [03:15:00] | xris: | odd. can't /nick outside of a chatroom |
| [03:15:00] | Beirdo: | stupid gaim |
| [03:16:00] | xris: | yeah |
| [03:16:00] | xris: | oh well |
| [03:16:00] | xris: | new dsl line is happy |
| [03:17:00] | xris: | getting about 2.6M down |
| [03:17:00] | xris: | 640 up |
| [03:17:00] | Beirdo: | goood |
| [03:17:00] | xris: | which isn't so bad |
| [03:17:00] | Beirdo: | that will do fine |
| [03:17:00] | xris: | yeah |
| [03:17:00] | xris: | slightly faster up, double the down |
| [03:17:00] | xris: | old modem, far from CO |
| [03:17:00] | xris: | takes like 30 seconds to switch the IP's over, was quite nice. |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | can't do anything about my voip until covad comes to look at the line. |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | I'm lazy, so I'm going to make them pull the 6" connector from the new line to my punchblock. heh. |
| [03:18:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | might as well get *something* out of the $99 install fee |
| [03:19:00] | Beirdo: | you need to play with asterisk in your copious spare time :) |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | yeah |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | right after I upgrade my webmail server (been down for months) and finish my recipe program |
| [03:19:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:22:00] | mchou: | hey xris, you know anything about fuji finepix S7000? Fry's has it on sale for $350 (refurb) |
| [03:23:00] | mchou: | I think most places has that for close to $600 new. |
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| [03:29:00] | jemarcks_: | question. I have DirecTv. If i have 2 tuner cards, can i watch tv and record a different channel at the same time? |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | mchou: no clue. |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | I'd only buy canon/sony/olympus digicams, personally, though. |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | well, until better reviews come out. |
| [03:30:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:30:00] | Beirdo: | Fuji makes a good camera |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | jemarcks_: if you have two DTV receivers |
| [03:30:00] | Beirdo: | as does Nikon |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | Beirdo: but I buy the best. |
| [03:30:00] | mchou: | xris: yeah, that's a consideration. |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | "good" doesn't cut it. heh. |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | mchou: dpreview.com |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | dcresource.com |
| [03:30:00] | jemarcks_: | xris, i have 2 DTV receivers... in different rooms |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | don't trust steve's |
| [03:30:00] | Beirdo: | the S5100 was highly reviewed |
| [03:31:00] | xris: | jemarcks_: then your question is answered. |
| [03:31:00] | mchou: | xris: been there done that already. Owners rave about S700 but reviewers were not kind. |
| [03:31:00] | jemarcks_: | xris, yep ... thanks. i see i can only get one channel with one receiver. |
| [03:31:00] | mchou: | S7000* |
| [03:31:00] | xris: | satellite doesn't "tune" like cable or OTA tv does, so you don't actually use the tuner, just the analog->digital converter (I use svideo with my DishNetwork setup) |
| [03:32:00] | xris: | mchou: interesting. |
| [03:32:00] | jemarcks_: | xris, can i control the DTV receiver with a serial cable? can i hook 2 DTV receivers to a front/back end box? |
| [03:32:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: go to a camera store and try one :) |
| [03:32:00] | xris: | jemarcks_: depends on your receiver, I guess. I need an IR blaster for my Dish stuff. |
| [03:32:00] | xris: | afk, going to go find food. |
| [03:32:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: I am a photo idiot, this will be my first digicam. Dunno what to look for. |
| [03:33:00] | jemarcks_: | xris, hmm.. mine is the basic RCA box. i have heard that there is a serial cable to hook it up. |
| [03:33:00] | mchou: | was looking seriously at canon a95 until I saw fuji deal for S7000. |
| [03:33:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: ahhh. Well if you aren't picky like xris and I :) Make sure it feels good in your hands for one thing |
| [03:34:00] | Beirdo: | check the reviews carefully, what do they say the cons are? |
| [03:34:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: I am pretty picky though :) |
| [03:34:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: the pros are lengthy, but so are the cons |
| [03:35:00] | jemarcks_: | xris, if i dump DTV and go with digital cable, will it be a better setup? |
| [03:35:00] | Beirdo: | well, you'll have to depend on the more technical of the reviews until you've tried a few cameras and know what you don't like |
| [03:35:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilms7000/page16.asp |
| [03:35:00] | Beirdo: | gimme a sec, I'll read that over |
| [03:36:00] | mchou: | canon a95 doesnt support raw, but S7000 does. |
| [03:36:00] | Beirdo: | Hmmm |
| [03:36:00] | mchou: | quite frankly I think the cons arent really applicable to me. I'm never going use that thin at full resolution. |
| [03:37:00] | Beirdo: | the low light might piss you off |
| [03:37:00] | mchou: | I think that only apples to AF. |
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| [03:37:00] | mchou: | applies* |
| [03:37:00] | Beirdo: | which you will use almost all the time :) |
| [03:38:00] | jemarcks_: | DTV question. Can a backend with 2+ tuners control 2 DTV receivers using a serial cable to each one? |
| [03:38:00] | Beirdo: | the distortion might be annoying too, but you'd have to see how bad it actually is |
| [03:38:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: yeah, true. |
| [03:38:00] | Beirdo: | jemarcks_: it should be able to |
| [03:38:00] | mchou: | but users have some wonderful pics with it on the forums. |
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| [03:38:00] | Beirdo: | macro mode on many cameras suffer from some distortion |
| [03:39:00] | jemarcks_: | beirdo, cool. now i only need 2 serial ports on the back of my box. haha |
| [03:39:00] | mchou: | heck, I think I'm gonna go buy it. Frys has 30 day return policy :) |
| [03:39:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: looks like a decent camera |
| [03:40:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: now I need to pick up a 6GB microdrive. |
| [03:40:00] | Beirdo: | try it out in different situations (bright light, dark, etc) |
| [03:40:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: yeah, I figure for $350 I cant go wrong. |
| [03:40:00] | mchou: | that's almost the cost of canon a95. |
| [03:40:00] | Beirdo: | one thing to look for is in bright pictures with dark areas, look for purple fringing |
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| [03:41:00] | Beirdo: | with a 30day return, worth a shot |
| [03:41:00] | kylector: | anyone here successfully use nuv2avi? |
| [03:41:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: yeah, then mentioned in the review that it's not significant (reviewer had to search long and hard for one) |
| [03:41:00] | mchou: | they* |
| [03:41:00] | Beirdo: | good |
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| [03:42:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: the reviewers wee not impressed with the colors (not just dim lighting) on AF....... |
| [03:43:00] | mchou: | were* |
| [03:43:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, well now you know what to try when you get it |
| [03:44:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: what cameras do you use? |
| [03:44:00] | Beirdo: | my digital is a Nikon Coolpix 5200 |
| [03:45:00] | Beirdo: | while I wait for the money/justification for the camera I really want |
| [03:45:00] | mchou: | any pet peeves on that camera? |
| [03:45:00] | Beirdo: | which is the Nikon D70 |
| [03:45:00] | Beirdo: | the distortion can be quite noticable |
| [03:45:00] | Beirdo: | but it's a tiny camera, that's to be expected |
| [03:45:00] | mchou: | yeah..... |
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| [03:47:00] | Beirdo: | I haven't had much to complain about yet |
| [03:47:00] | mchou: | does 5200 support raw? |
| [03:47:00] | Beirdo: | I bought it a few weeks ago, and it's WAY better than the Kodak DC240 it is replacing |
| [03:47:00] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [03:47:00] | Beirdo: | not sure |
| [03:48:00] | mchou: | probably not. |
| [03:48:00] | mchou: | Kodak, unless you go top of the line, they dont make good digital cameras. |
| [03:48:00] | mchou: | five figures :) |
| [03:49:00] | Beirdo: | http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikoncp5200/ |
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| [03:49:00] | Beirdo: | my Kodak is like 6 years old or so |
| [03:49:00] | mchou: | yeah, I'm reading that now. |
| [03:50:00] | Beirdo: | it lives in my jacket :) |
| [03:50:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: you consider any other cameras b4 purchasing coolpix? |
| [03:50:00] | Beirdo: | I was looking at several at the shop |
| [03:51:00] | Beirdo: | they tried to upsell me to a 6MP Panasonic |
| [03:51:00] | mchou: | lol :) |
| [03:51:00] | Beirdo: | it was OK, a slightly nicer camera, but 50% more in cost |
| [03:51:00] | mchou: | Panasonic cameras are execellent for outdoors, though. |
| [03:51:00] | Beirdo: | and I was looking for something small |
| [03:51:00] | Beirdo: | the D70 is going to be my real digital camera |
| [03:53:00] | mchou: | sigh, this shit is too confusing. |
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| [03:54:00] | Beirdo: | I think the S7000 would be a decent camera, and if you have 30 days, give it a try |
| [03:54:00] | mchou: | yeah, 1 day sale. |
| [03:55:00] | mchou: | hopefully they havent sold out..... |
| [03:55:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [03:56:00] | mchou: | what I really need to try it out is a decent sized microdrive, which I dont have. |
| [03:57:00] | Beirdo: | use a CF card in the mean time :) |
| [03:57:00] | mchou: | yeah. But I really wanna try the raw format. |
| [03:57:00] | mchou: | which means big :) |
| [03:58:00] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [03:58:00] | Beirdo: | why are you going to use raw? |
| [03:58:00] | mchou: | cause I can mess with color balance and shit. |
| [03:58:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:58:00] | mchou: | w/o loss. |
| [03:58:00] | riksta: | ballzzzz |
| [04:00:00] | galen: | yeah, raw is where it's at! |
| [04:00:00] | galen: | fwiw i run a eos-300d w/2.2 GB microdrive |
| [04:00:00] | galen: | love it |
| [04:00:00] | Beirdo: | it depends |
| [04:00:00] | galen: | have a 100% raw workflow |
| [04:00:00] | mchou: | yeah, I dont think it makes sense to buy a good camera that doesn't support raw. |
| [04:01:00] | Beirdo: | for anything I'd want raw for, I use film anyways |
| [04:01:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:01:00] | galen: | i'll let you spend money to take pics |
| [04:01:00] | galen: | and develop them |
| [04:01:00] | Beirdo: | the D70 will be my good digital |
| [04:01:00] | galen: | and wait hours or days for all of the above |
| [04:01:00] | galen: | while i shoot roughly 35 mm quality images at zero cost |
| [04:02:00] | Beirdo: | and I'll let you be Mr. instant gratification and get lower quality shots :) |
| [04:02:00] | mchou: | instant gratification is the reason for going digital :) |
| [04:02:00] | galen: | cost is also a major component |
| [04:02:00] | galen: | and give it a few years, the quality is just going up up up |
| [04:03:00] | galen: | hey, anyhow, i wanted to sorta chat about mythtv with people in here |
| [04:03:00] | GotD0t: | hehe galen |
| [04:03:00] | galen: | if you don't mind some general discussion as it doesn't seem to be too busy |
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| [04:04:00] | galen: | i'm working towards a mythtv system before july 1 2005 for obvious reasons |
| [04:04:00] | GotD0t: | hehe |
| [04:04:00] | GotD0t: | well ive been instructed |
| [04:04:00] | riksta: | *tut* |
| [04:05:00] | GotD0t: | to expand my myth system |
| [04:05:00] | galen: | more cards before then? |
| [04:05:00] | GotD0t: | with two clients |
| [04:05:00] | mchou: | galen: it's not going do you much good, I'm afraid. |
| [04:05:00] | galen: | What do you mean? |
| [04:05:00] | mchou: | unless BF gets struck down...... |
| [04:05:00] | galen: | why? |
| [04:06:00] | galen: | if i have the system, they're not going to be quickly doing away with hdtv protocols |
| [04:06:00] | mchou: | PC is not a 5C platform. |
| [04:06:00] | mchou: | so you only can record OTA, really. that's it. |
| [04:06:00] | galen: | a 5C? |
| [04:06:00] | galen: | yes, ota is fine |
| [04:06:00] | galen: | i am not one to PAY for television |
| [04:07:00] | galen: | and where i will be setting this up, the selection of hdtv is excellent |
| [04:07:00] | mchou: | galen: how about hbo movies? :) |
| [04:07:00] | mchou: | galen: where would that be? |
| [04:07:00] | galen: | if i want a movie, it'll be on a dvd or in theatre |
| [04:07:00] | galen: | look up zip 98604 on antennaweb... |
| [04:07:00] | galen: | the hdtv stations are stronger than the analog stations |
| [04:08:00] | galen: | and all the major stations are there |
| [04:08:00] | mchou: | strong signals are not necessarily an advantage, multipath. |
| [04:09:00] | galen: | yes, but that's not an issue here |
| [04:09:00] | galen: | it's basically flat from here to the towers |
| [04:09:00] | mchou: | lol, I have much better HD selection than you do :) |
| [04:09:00] | galen: | not quite, but NO major buildings or anything nearby |
| [04:09:00] | galen: | where are you? |
| [04:09:00] | mchou: | SF Bay area :) |
| [04:09:00] | galen: | zip? |
| [04:09:00] | mchou: | I used to live in Portland :) |
| [04:10:00] | galen: | i have taken a break from television over the past several months |
| [04:10:00] | galen: | I'm ready to hop back in with HDTV and PVR |
| [04:10:00] | galen: | anyhow |
| [04:10:00] | mchou: | galen: 95014 |
| [04:11:00] | galen: | looking... |
| [04:11:00] | mchou: | galen: you work at intel or ohsu? :) |
| [04:11:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [04:12:00] | galen: | nope |
| [04:12:00] | mchou: | 3 company town :) |
| [04:12:00] | mchou: | including nike :) |
| [04:12:00] | galen: | well, doesn't feel that way |
| [04:12:00] | galen: | i have worked all over, i'm actually a student in olympia atm |
| [04:12:00] | galen: | i was in beaverton near nike, so yes, i know about them |
| [04:12:00] | mchou: | olympia WA? |
| [04:13:00] | galen: | and i am now doing technical consulting all over, including down there |
| [04:13:00] | galen: | yep |
| [04:13:00] | galen: | want to see a bad hdtv lineup? look there |
| [04:13:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [04:13:00] | galen: | it feels like a city, lots of people and stuff |
| [04:14:00] | galen: | but NOTHING |
| [04:14:00] | mchou: | what, two stations? :) |
| [04:14:00] | mchou: | heh |
| [04:14:00] | galen: | marginal hdtv, no major stores, etc |
| [04:14:00] | A_: | isn't 5c just a digital cable thing? |
| [04:14:00] | mchou: | A_: nope. |
| [04:15:00] | mchou: | galen: that's the wall I feel about all of pacific NW, maybe except seattle :) |
| [04:15:00] | galen: | anyhow, i'm just poking around at building myself a mythtv box |
| [04:15:00] | galen: | lol |
| [04:15:00] | galen: | i have been to southern california, it is too much |
| [04:15:00] | mchou: | even seattle preety much sux. |
| [04:15:00] | mchou: | pretty* |
| [04:15:00] | galen: | too much smog, too much city, too many houses |
| [04:16:00] | mchou: | galen: heh, try NYC sometime :) |
| [04:16:00] | galen: | never been there |
| [04:16:00] | galen: | someday |
| [04:16:00] | mchou: | grew up there :) |
| [04:16:00] | galen: | anyhow |
| [04:17:00] | mchou: | oh, just build the damn box already :) |
| [04:17:00] | mchou: | get a beefy CPU :) |
| [04:17:00] | galen: | yeah, I'm thinking like a P4 3 GHz |
| [04:17:00] | galen: | sound about appropriate? |
| [04:17:00] | mchou: | A64 3500+ should do nicely. |
| [04:17:00] | galen: | cost sensitive here... |
| [04:17:00] | mchou: | galen: I'd say that's borderline...... |
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| [04:18:00] | galen: | really |
| [04:18:00] | galen: | even with nvidia graphics? |
| [04:18:00] | mchou: | cost sensitive and you going intel?? lol :) |
| [04:18:00] | mchou: | yup. |
| [04:18:00] | galen: | i can play HDTV streams raw on my 1.33 GHz G4 laptop |
| [04:18:00] | mchou: | you actually dont need beefy graphics.... |
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| [04:18:00] | mchou: | huh??? |
| [04:19:00] | mchou: | what res? |
| [04:19:00] | mchou: | I find that hard to believe. |
| [04:19:00] | galen: | 1080i |
| [04:19:00] | galen: | come and see |
| [04:19:00] | galen: | it's flawless |
| [04:19:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [04:19:00] | A_: | wow 56bit crypto |
| [04:19:00] | A_: | heh |
| [04:19:00] | galen: | I had to recompile VLC |
| [04:20:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: I'm not surprised |
| [04:20:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: about what? |
| [04:20:00] | galen: | and setup OpenGL acceleration of everything |
| [04:20:00] | Beirdo: | G4 is a lot more balls than the same GHz speed P4 |
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| [04:20:00] | galen: | but with ffmpeg, i can get 35–40 fps decoding of the raw hdtv stream |
| [04:20:00] | galen: | hand all the graphical functions (esp. yuv stuff) to the GPU via opengl |
| [04:20:00] | mchou: | no doubt. but come on, 1.33Ghz? |
| [04:20:00] | galen: | a little audio |
| [04:20:00] | galen: | and presto, it works |
| [04:21:00] | galen: | remember, i also have altivec |
| [04:21:00] | galen: | ffmpeg doing raw decoding is like half that performance without altivec |
| [04:21:00] | mchou: | anyway, I think more headroom is better. More filters, etc. |
| [04:21:00] | galen: | yes |
| [04:21:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: I'd put a 1.33GHz G4 about on par with a 2.66GHz P4 |
| [04:22:00] | galen: | i can do basic deinterlacing, but nothing too fancy |
| [04:22:00] | galen: | OS X is miserable by default with YUV, it's 100% software |
| [04:22:00] | galen: | anyhow |
| [04:22:00] | galen: | so i have experience with it in the OS X side |
| [04:22:00] | mchou: | anyway, I think you could get away with A64 3200+ easy. |
| [04:22:00] | galen: | time to visit pricewatch |
| [04:22:00] | Beirdo: | if you are price sensitive, use A64 for sure |
| [04:23:00] | mchou: | 3500+ would probably be my preferred choice. |
| [04:24:00] | galen: | i'm building a spreadsheet here |
| [04:24:00] | mishehu: | I'm liking my amd64 3500+... I'd be liking it even more if I could get linux on it properly. |
| [04:24:00] | mishehu: | at least, a 64 bit build. |
| [04:24:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [04:24:00] | galen: | not too bad |
| [04:24:00] | mchou: | you dont need 64 bit buid :) |
| [04:24:00] | mchou: | build* |
| [04:24:00] | galen: | i assume i can compile things for 64 bit no problem? |
| [04:24:00] | mishehu: | but I think I'm going to scrap trying to use the SIL 3114 "raid" as they call it... it's only software raid anyway. |
| [04:24:00] | mchou: | that's just asking for trouble. |
| [04:24:00] | galen: | i've seem some nice performance boosts on the os x side with 64 bit code |
| [04:25:00] | Beirdo: | I've had no 64bit problems with my AMD64 |
| [04:25:00] | mishehu: | mchou: I don't *need* it, but I'll have a leftover 32 bits feeling lonely. |
| [04:25:00] | mchou: | wait till things settle down. |
| [04:25:00] | mishehu: | Beirdo: what do you run on yours? |
| [04:25:00] | Beirdo: | ubuntu |
| [04:25:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: that include myth in 64bit? |
| [04:25:00] | mchou: | frontend and backend..... |
| [04:25:00] | mishehu: | ubuntu, the distro that sounds like it's a small african child that jack nicholson would write letters to in a movie about old people. |
| [04:26:00] | Beirdo: | it's compiled, but not running |
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| [04:26:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:26:00] | Beirdo: | dumb name, I'll grant you |
| [04:26:00] | mishehu: | alright, I finally got wpa_supplicant working on my notebook, time to put it away |
| [04:26:00] | mchou: | all linux distros have dumbshit names. |
| [04:26:00] | Beirdo: | it's basically debian with extra stuff, and a better release schedule |
| [04:26:00] | mishehu: | "red hat", "debian", "slackware", "SuSE"... |
| [04:26:00] | mchou: | mandrake renamed themselves mandriva, lol. |
| [04:27:00] | mishehu: | mandriva, slavedriva |
| [04:27:00] | mchou: | that's just ghey. |
| [04:27:00] | mchou: | I mean why not join the brazilian Carnival??? |
| [04:27:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [04:28:00] | mchou: | galen: lemme me know what the final price point is :) |
| [04:28:00] | mchou: | after you get done with spreadsheet :) |
| [04:29:00] | galen: | well, the spreadsheet is for a good but not overly designed system |
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| [04:29:00] | mchou: | galen: yeah, that's what I meant :) |
| [04:30:00] | galen: | so an athlon 64 3500 w/mobo runs about the same as a p4 3 ghz, but i figure i should see more performance |
| [04:30:00] | galen: | esp. if i have 64 bit code |
| [04:30:00] | mchou: | galen: plus you get future-proof :) |
| [04:30:00] | galen: | yeah |
| [04:31:00] | galen: | how much cpu would i be using on that machine? |
| [04:31:00] | mchou: | ia32 on its last legs :) |
| [04:31:00] | galen: | when playing a raw hdtv stream? and filters? |
| [04:31:00] | mishehu: | I see better performance than a p4 3ghz |
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| [04:31:00] | mishehu: | oh cost |
| [04:31:00] | mchou: | galen: no filters, probably 35–40% CPU util. YMMV with filters |
| [04:31:00] | mishehu: | galen: amd64 also runs a lot cooler |
| [04:31:00] | galen: | yeah, i was wondering |
| [04:31:00] | galen: | cool |
| [04:31:00] | galen: | literally |
| [04:32:00] | mishehu: | I'm going to replace my athlon xp when I can. |
| [04:32:00] | mchou: | AXP are loud and hot :( |
| [04:32:00] | mishehu: | tell me about it. |
| [04:32:00] | galen: | but the 64s are not? |
| [04:32:00] | mchou: | galen: nope, cool and quiet :) |
| [04:33:00] | mishehu: | galen: mine runs at about 35 deg. C. |
| [04:33:00] | mishehu: | my axp idles at about 50 deg. C. |
| [04:33:00] | galen: | i see a big price drop from the 3500s to 3400s |
| [04:33:00] | mchou: | yeat another reason to go a64. |
| [04:33:00] | mchou: | galen: you wanna get a 939 if you can. |
| [04:33:00] | mchou: | 754 is on it's way out. |
| [04:33:00] | galen: | would it kill me if I had a 3400 and saved about $80 |
| [04:33:00] | mishehu: | I wish I had bought an a64 instead of this axp when I did... |
| [04:34:00] | mishehu: | galen: get socket 939 |
| [04:34:00] | mchou: | galen: I think 3400 is 754. |
| [04:34:00] | galen: | ok, let me see what i'm looking at price-wise |
| [04:34:00] | mchou: | could be wrong though. |
| [04:34:00] | galen: | what's the significance of socket939? |
| [04:34:00] | mishehu: | galen: it isn't being discontinued |
| [04:34:00] | mchou: | dual core :) |
| [04:34:00] | mishehu: | dual core dump! |
| [04:34:00] | mishehu: | segmentation fault! |
| [04:35:00] | mchou: | no mobo swap :) |
| [04:35:00] | mishehu: | mchou's fault! |
| [04:35:00] | mishehu: | and of course, the san andreas fault |
| [04:35:00] | mchou: | not that dual core will help with myth :) |
| [04:35:00] | galen: | yeah, i see what you mean |
| [04:35:00] | mishehu: | mchou: might with transcoding. |
| [04:35:00] | mchou: | nah, doubt it. |
| [04:36:00] | mchou: | dual cores have to run slower clock than singe core. |
| [04:36:00] | mchou: | single* |
| [04:36:00] | galen: | do they? |
| [04:36:00] | mchou: | transcode somewhere else :) |
| [04:36:00] | galen: | i'm only having one box |
| [04:36:00] | mchou: | galen: generally speaking, yes :) |
| [04:37:00] | mchou: | galen: heh, use that G4 laptop :) |
| [04:37:00] | mchou: | out to work fast at transcoding with that :) |
| [04:37:00] | mchou: | ought* |
| [04:37:00] | galen: | they don't have good powerpc binary optimizations for xvid and such |
| [04:37:00] | mchou: | well, what good is it then?? :) |
| [04:38:00] | galen: | well, it's PORTABLE |
| [04:38:00] | mchou: | lol :) |
| [04:38:00] | galen: | and if transcoding takes longer, it means that my lap stayswarm longer |
| [04:38:00] | mchou: | plus who transcodes anyways. Waste of time. |
| [04:38:00] | galen: | Is the 90 nm helpful? Cooler I guess |
| [04:38:00] | mchou: | watch the show and get it over with. |
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| [04:39:00] | galen: | i think i'll probably transcode |
| [04:39:00] | galen: | I like to collect things, and I've spent wayyyyy to much time working with video compression |
| [04:39:00] | galen: | I might as well put it to use |
| [04:40:00] | mchou: | sigh. damn collectors. |
| [04:40:00] | mchou: | tell me, you ever watched one of your transcoded shows more than 2x??? |
| [04:41:00] | mchou: | if the answer is no, you dont need transcode :) |
| [04:41:00] | galen: | ummmmm yes i have |
| [04:41:00] | galen: | and i often want to share |
| [04:41:00] | galen: | i.e. burn a dvd |
| [04:41:00] | mchou: | sigh :) |
| [04:41:00] | galen: | try fitting a 1 hour 1080i show on a single layer dvd without transcoding |
| [04:41:00] | galen: | hey, my cpu will be free all the time... why not put it to good use? |
| [04:41:00] | galen: | anyhow |
| [04:41:00] | mchou: | many MPAA wwill be ougt to get you :) |
| [04:42:00] | galen: | nope, it's called FAIR USE |
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| [04:42:00] | galen: | I can record TV shows |
| [04:42:00] | mchou: | galen: I was just yanking yer chain. |
| [04:42:00] | galen: | anyhow |
| [04:42:00] | mchou: | you can record, but not distribute :) |
| [04:42:00] | galen: | i see four CPUs I'm looking at |
| [04:42:00] | mchou: | soon you wont even be able to record. |
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| [04:43:00] | galen: | i know |
| [04:43:00] | Batty_3: | Hey everyone. Someone that doesn't know much about reconfiguring linux – Has an Athlon 800mhz, 100 gig hdd, 384 mB RAM, and a PVR 350: what would be the best way to setup for myth? |
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| [04:43:00] | galen: | ok, cpus |
| [04:44:00] | galen: | a64 3500 939 pin = 254 |
| [04:44:00] | mchou: | galen: if you lap stays too warm you might go sterile :) |
| [04:44:00] | galen: | i keep the laptop well forward |
| [04:44:00] | mchou: | your* |
| [04:44:00] | galen: | :P |
| [04:44:00] | galen: | a64 3500 939 pin 90 nm = 265 |
| [04:44:00] | mchou: | so, that's virtually same price. |
| [04:45:00] | galen: | a 64 3200 939 = 184, 90 nm =184 |
| [04:45:00] | mchou: | yeah, go that route then. |
| [04:45:00] | galen: | a 64 3400 (743 only) = 185 |
| [04:45:00] | galen: | so i'm debating 3200 vs 3500 vs 3400 |
| [04:45:00] | Batty_3: | galen I went with the Winchester 3500. |
| [04:46:00] | mchou: | 3400 is not really an option as it's 754. |
| [04:46:00] | galen: | ok |
| [04:46:00] | galen: | so how would the performance on a 3200 be? |
| [04:46:00] | Batty_3: | I don't know why. But... If I would have shopped harder newegg offered a deal with the 3800. |
| [04:47:00] | Batty_3: | MB/PSU/RAM for about $800.00 I think it added something else too. |
| [04:47:00] | mchou: | galen: should be enough, but dunno about filters. |
| [04:47:00] | galen: | what are we talking about for filters? |
| [04:47:00] | mchou: | depends on the filter now :) |
| [04:48:00] | mchou: | $300 ought to get you a nice A64/mobo combo. |
| [04:49:00] | mchou: | 3200, maybe even 3500..... |
| [04:49:00] | mchou: | plus another $100 or so for memory. |
| [04:49:00] | defaultro: | good evening guys |
| [04:49:00] | mchou: | memory prices are coming down. |
| [04:49:00] | galen: | ok, so i'll work with a 3200 90 nm 939 pin |
| [04:49:00] | defaultro: | hi mchou |
| [04:50:00] | galen: | if the prices drop, i'll jump to a 3500 |
| [04:50:00] | mchou: | so $400, + your old graphics card HDD, you ready to roll :) |
| [04:50:00] | mchou: | hi defaultro |
| [04:50:00] | galen: | i don't have an old graphics card or hdd that would be both available and suitable |
| [04:50:00] | galen: | i have been primarily os x around here |
| [04:50:00] | galen: | and primarily portable |
| [04:50:00] | mchou: | that's too bad. |
| [04:51:00] | mchou: | I see tradeins in your future :) |
| [04:51:00] | galen: | fortune teller :) |
| [04:51:00] | mchou: | either that or lots of HDD rebates :) |
| [04:52:00] | galen: | i see 200 GB hds for $82 |
| [04:52:00] | galen: | no rebate |
| [04:52:00] | galen: | ha, the AMD 3200 is just 2 GHz |
| [04:52:00] | mchou: | yeah, so? |
| [04:52:00] | galen: | and people were laughing at my 1.33 GHz G4 playing 1080i |
| [04:52:00] | mchou: | intel running the stupid Ghz game..... |
| [04:52:00] | galen: | yeah i know |
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| [04:53:00] | galen: | ok, now to figure out mobo and sound/video solutions |
| [04:53:00] | mchou: | galen: heh, first you ot to decide on a bus: pci/agp vs. pci-express :) |
| [04:53:00] | mchou: | dont put cart b4 horse :) |
| [04:54:00] | mchou: | ought* |
| [04:54:00] | galen: | oh yes yes yes |
| [04:54:00] | galen: | what is the cost difference? |
| [04:54:00] | mchou: | plus dolby licensed some sourround sound crap recently to mobo manufacturers :) |
| [04:55:00] | galen: | hm really |
| [04:55:00] | mchou: | makes life much more complicated :) |
| [04:55:00] | GotD0t: | how much ram would i need for a frontend? |
| [04:56:00] | galen: | for audio out, i want some basic but decent sounding stereo, plus some sort of digital (coax or optical) surround out |
| [04:56:00] | mchou: | 512 would be more than enough. |
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| [04:56:00] | GotD0t: | minimum |
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| [04:56:00] | galen: | and for video, i optimally want DVI (with the ability to extract VGA) and s-video |
| [04:56:00] | mchou: | galen: get a minimac :) |
| [04:56:00] | mchou: | hehe. |
| [04:56:00] | mchou: | now that's a weak box. |
| [04:56:00] | galen: | well, it would play hdtv with tweaked software |
| [04:57:00] | mchou: | I really doubt that, but hey, what do I know :) |
| [04:57:00] | galen: | but i want a self contained, free software-based box with hdtv tuning |
| [04:57:00] | galen: | it has a 1.42 ghz g4 |
| [04:57:00] | galen: | i have a 1.33 ghz g4 |
| [04:57:00] | galen: | i can watch 1080i |
| [04:57:00] | galen: | and i have a laptop |
| [04:57:00] | mchou: | minimacs arent even beefy enough to play SDTV. |
| [04:57:00] | galen: | anyhow |
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| [04:58:00] | galen: | that doesn't make sense |
| [04:58:00] | galen: | if i can watch video on my 1.33 GHz G4 LAPTOP |
| [04:58:00] | mchou: | look at disappointed reports all over the forums. |
| [04:58:00] | mchou: | ppl ho bought minimacs as htpc are so disappointed. |
| [04:59:00] | mchou: | who* |
| [04:59:00] | mchou: | sold them and now getting a64s instead. |
| [04:59:00] | galen: | well, these people (or configurations) didn't figure out how to hand off the yuv and such to opengl/gpu |
| [04:59:00] | galen: | and i'm not getting a mac mini anyhow, so i don't care |
| [04:59:00] | mchou: | maybe. |
| [04:59:00] | mchou: | who knows. |
| [05:00:00] | galen: | look, my 1.33 ghz laptop plays 1080i raw transport streams in vlc without dropping frames and doing basic deinterlacing |
| [05:00:00] | mchou: | I trust at least some ppl are competent enough to twaek maximum out of minimac. |
| [05:00:00] | mchou: | bbl. |
| [05:00:00] | galen: | it's not tweaking, it's actually having code that is smart enough to hand off through opengl, which requires a ton of computing trickery |
| [05:01:00] | galen: | ok, ttyl mchou then |
| [05:02:00] | defaultro: | When is comcast starting to encrypt output in firewire from their 6200 and 6400 receivers? |
| [05:02:00] | galen: | sorry, i wish i knew |
| [05:02:00] | galen: | knowing comcast, you should be grateful they haven't already :P |
| [05:03:00] | defaultro: | mchou? |
| [05:03:00] | kormoc: | Anyone use snd_bt87x with 2.6.12? |
| [05:03:00] | galen: | they DROP gre-flagged packets at the router level where I am for internet |
| [05:03:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [05:03:00] | galen: | (i.e. block all PPTP/IPSec/other VPN packts) |
| [05:03:00] | galen: | drives me up the wall |
| [05:03:00] | galen: | they're no longer my ISP |
| [05:03:00] | defaultro: | they do that? |
| [05:03:00] | galen: | around here, yeah |
| [05:03:00] | galen: | not all areas |
| [05:03:00] | defaultro: | that means, i should not transfer to them |
| [05:04:00] | galen: | they have, either present or past, a floating usage cap which if you exceed, you are dropped |
| [05:04:00] | defaultro: | what was the reason why they were doing that? |
| [05:04:00] | defaultro: | what do you mean?> |
| [05:04:00] | defaultro: | floating usage? |
| [05:04:00] | defaultro: | like limit for a month? |
| [05:05:00] | defaultro: | megabyte usage? |
| [05:05:00] | kormoc: | they, like all isps, monitor how much traffic you use and when you exceded a limit, they cancel your contract. |
| [05:05:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [05:05:00] | kormoc: | Well, speakeasy might be a exception. |
| [05:05:00] | defaultro: | mine isn't |
| [05:05:00] | kormoc: | how do you know? |
| [05:05:00] | defaultro: | but i'm allowed 30g per month |
| [05:05:00] | defaultro: | it's in the contract |
| [05:05:00] | kormoc: | sure, that's your limit |
| [05:05:00] | defaultro: | anything above 30g, i should pay |
| [05:05:00] | defaultro: | but not cancel |
| [05:06:00] | GotD0t: | ok so back to mythtv.... has anybody successfully (and easily) gotten a mythtv client working on an xbox? |
| [05:06:00] | galen: | yeah, that's the thing, they sell as unlimited but cancel for excess usage |
| [05:06:00] | kormoc: | comcast also has a limit, and they just don't tell you what it is, they just have it in the contract that they'll warn you and then cancel if you exceded it again |
| [05:06:00] | galen: | i can deal with it when i'm given numbers |
| [05:06:00] | kormoc: | galen, Actually, nowhere does comcast say it's unlimited, they just say it's always on |
| [05:06:00] | galen: | but i can't when i'm not! |
| [05:06:00] | galen: | ok, it is implied to be unlimited |
| [05:06:00] | defaultro: | comcast's lame |
| [05:06:00] | galen: | i would rather have dsl for the price anyhow |
| [05:06:00] | galen: | you get more upstream |
| [05:06:00] | galen: | and GRE packets |
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| [05:07:00] | kormoc: | Verizon has a limit, as does every other dsl one I know too. |
| [05:07:00] | galen: | What is it? |
| [05:07:00] | defaultro: | what about wide open west? |
| [05:07:00] | kormoc: | Verizon yelled at me for 20 gigs per month once |
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| [05:07:00] | galen: | lol, that's nothing |
| [05:07:00] | defaultro: | yeah, that's small |
| [05:07:00] | galen: | i know comcast doesn't get irate until over 100 GB now |
| [05:07:00] | galen: | i've done over 100 GB in a month |
| [05:08:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [05:08:00] | galen: | when i was on comcast |
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| [05:08:00] | galen: | it was easy too, with 4 Mb down |
| [05:08:00] | kormoc: | I've only hit 25 gigs once, and got yelled at |
| [05:08:00] | defaultro: | but my worries with comcast now is with VPN |
| [05:08:00] | defaultro: | i do a lot of VPN to the ofice |
| [05:08:00] | galen: | well, it drove me crazy |
| [05:08:00] | galen: | for a bunch more, they could "upgrade" me to enable it |
| [05:08:00] | defaultro: | i'll ask my officemates who are in comcast |
| [05:09:00] | defaultro: | thanks for bringing it up |
| [05:09:00] | galen: | yeah, you should check |
| [05:09:00] | galen: | my solution was an SSH tunnel |
| [05:09:00] | galen: | i especially like the SOCKS technique |
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| [05:09:00] | galen: | it's like a VPN, but not! |
| [05:09:00] | defaultro: | no way to do that in my situation |
| [05:09:00] | GotD0t: | so yes... mythtv |
| [05:09:00] | galen: | and you get the added protection against man-in-the-middle attacks |
| [05:09:00] | galen: | lol, yes, this is a mythtv chat place |
| [05:09:00] | defaultro: | yeah, that's cool |
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| [05:10:00] | galen: | i'm curious about video cards as well in relationship to mythtv |
| [05:10:00] | GotD0t: | so yes... mythtv on an xbox... how easy is it |
| [05:10:00] | defaultro: | i did encapsulate ssh once over http :) |
| [05:10:00] | galen: | that would be depressingly slow |
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| [05:10:00] | GotD0t: | excuse me galen? |
| [05:10:00] | galen: | mythtv on an xbox |
| [05:10:00] | galen: | no chance at hdtv |
| [05:10:00] | galen: | and you'd have a 733 mhz p3 or whatever |
| [05:10:00] | GotD0t: | oh im talking about just as a pure client |
| [05:10:00] | defaultro: | galen, i have 6600GT and very happy with hdtv |
| [05:11:00] | defaultro: | but some guys got it working w/ FX 5200 |
| [05:11:00] | galen: | i'm sorta building a box |
| [05:11:00] | defaultro: | cool |
| [05:11:00] | galen: | thinking i'll go with agp over pci-x, for cost purpose |
| [05:11:00] | GotD0t: | i already have the sever... and i dont have HDTV |
| [05:11:00] | galen: | s |
| [05:11:00] | defaultro: | pci-x is a bit new |
| [05:11:00] | defaultro: | don't know support in linux |
| [05:11:00] | galen: | ah |
| [05:11:00] | defaultro: | it is cheaper |
| [05:11:00] | galen: | another excellent point |
| [05:11:00] | defaultro: | mine is agp |
| [05:11:00] | defaultro: | 8x |
| [05:12:00] | defaultro: | cheap gigabyte mobo |
| [05:12:00] | defaultro: | but bought a good ram |
| [05:12:00] | defaultro: | Crucial |
| [05:12:00] | galen: | so i'm loading the pricewatch video card lineup |
| [05:12:00] | defaultro: | i used newegg |
| [05:12:00] | defaultro: | pricewatch should be fine |
| [05:12:00] | defaultro: | buy.com |
| [05:12:00] | galen: | ahhhh don't get me started on buy.com |
| [05:12:00] | rpete: | GotD0t, if you can get linux on the thing (mine is soft mod with mech hack) then getting mythtv running is piece of cake |
| [05:12:00] | defaultro: | cpu is athlon 64 3000+ |
| [05:12:00] | GotD0t: | rpete: yea? |
| [05:13:00] | galen: | how does that 3000+ work for HDTV? |
| [05:13:00] | GotD0t: | rpete: what does that entail? |
| [05:13:00] | galen: | or do you use HDTV? |
| [05:13:00] | defaultro: | of course, i use HDTV |
| [05:13:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [05:13:00] | GotD0t: | rpete: the soft mod |
| [05:13:00] | Batty_3: | Hey everyone. Someone that doesn't know much about reconfiguring linux – Has an Athlon 800mhz, 100 gig hdd, 384 mB RAM, and a PVR 350: what would be the best way to setup for myth? |
| [05:13:00] | defaultro: | it's connected to my mitsubishi 48" :) |
| [05:14:00] | galen: | How do the filters work? |
| [05:14:00] | GotD0t: | rpete: what about remotes? does the xbox's dvd remote receiver work with lirc? |
| [05:14:00] | galen: | *how well |
| [05:14:00] | rpete: | yes GotD0t |
| [05:14:00] | defaultro: | im currently using xv, deinterlance, linear |
| [05:14:00] | GotD0t: | rpete: hmm.... ok |
| [05:14:00] | defaultro: | even xvmc, cpu util is the same |
| [05:14:00] | rpete: | GotD0t, try http://www.xbox-linux.org/Getting_Started |
| [05:14:00] | GotD0t: | thanks |
| [05:15:00] | defaultro: | im also using the latest nvidia drivers |
| [05:15:00] | rpete: | you're about step 9 I guess :-) |
| [05:15:00] | galen: | batty – look into the knoppix myth distro, that might be really easy |
| [05:16:00] | galen: | cool, so the a64 3200 that i'm looking at should be good |
| [05:16:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [05:16:00] | defaultro: | it's really good |
| [05:16:00] | defaultro: | future proof i guess |
| [05:16:00] | defaultro: | mine isnt |
| [05:16:00] | defaultro: | old socket |
| [05:16:00] | galen: | yeah, 90 nm 954 pin |
| [05:17:00] | galen: | ok, so looking at video cards here |
| [05:17:00] | rtsai: | you mean 90nm 939-pin, or 130nm 754-pin? |
| [05:17:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [05:17:00] | galen: | 90 nm 939 pin, sorry, i'm bad |
| [05:17:00] | defaultro: | mine is 754 |
| [05:17:00] | galen: | the nvidias have good linux support? |
| [05:17:00] | defaultro: | ;) |
| [05:17:00] | defaultro: | of course |
| [05:18:00] | galen: | i'm looking to be able to use svideo, dvi, and vga out |
| [05:18:00] | defaultro: | even people at #nvidia were very helpful to me |
| [05:18:00] | galen: | if possible, i'd like to boot to svideo |
| [05:18:00] | defaultro: | i have done all those |
| [05:18:00] | defaultro: | your mileage may vary |
| [05:18:00] | GotD0t: | thanks rpete.... now i have to see which would be more cost efficient.... an xbox with a wireless ethernet bridge or a VIA EPIA box |
| [05:18:00] | defaultro: | i never was able to remove the single line tearing in DVI |
| [05:18:00] | GotD0t: | ok im out |
| [05:18:00] | defaultro: | and also component out |
| [05:19:00] | defaultro: | http://restricted.dyndns.org/mystery.html |
| [05:19:00] | defaultro: | however, those are using twinview configs |
| [05:19:00] | defaultro: | I want to try something again but i have already returned the DVI cable |
| [05:20:00] | eco: | Anyone know of a miniATX case that is quiet? The one I'm using is almost comically loud. |
| [05:20:00] | defaultro: | but im very happy now with my current setup, i made my own cable called VGA to RGBHV cable |
| [05:20:00] | galen: | i see how cheap the 5200 and 6200s are |
| [05:20:00] | defaultro: | hope this links help, http://restricted.dyndns.org/hookingpc2hdtv.html |
| [05:20:00] | defaultro: | oh yeah |
| [05:20:00] | defaultro: | $50 |
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| [05:21:00] | defaultro: | hey, I got to continue my ceramic tiling |
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| [05:22:00] | galen: | lol |
| [05:22:00] | galen: | enjoy |
| [05:22:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [05:22:00] | galen: | thanks |
| [05:22:00] | defaultro: | np |
| [05:23:00] | defaultro: | i'll be back in an hour |
| [05:23:00] | galen: | if nobody else feels like lending their head to me, i may still be here |
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| [05:24:00] | galen: | anybody else want to share video card thoughts and insight? |
| [05:32:00] | galen: | I'm looking at a GeForce FX 5200 128 MB DVI/SVideo AGP card |
| [05:33:00] | galen: | What do I need to know? What are the gotchas? Will I have issues with it under Linux ? |
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| [05:34:00] | galen: | ? |
| [05:35:00] | galen: | For 126 users online, we have very little to say :) |
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| [05:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | You asked if anyone wanted to share thoughts. The silence would indicate either "no" or that everyone was idling :) |
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| [05:38:00] | galen: | lol |
| [05:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, code or pack my luggage. decisions decisions |
| [05:41:00] | galen: | code or pack your luggage? |
| [05:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah. Deciding which I am gonna do pack my luggage (The responsible choice) or code on some projects I've been neglecting |
| [05:42:00] | galen: | oh |
| [05:42:00] | galen: | I would opt for the responsible choice... unless I were in an irresponsible mood :P |
| [05:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | well, I can delay the packing til tomorrow night, but I usually prefer to be done early. Of course I could do neigther and sleep heh |
| [05:44:00] | galen: | I prefer to sleep personally |
| [05:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | I usually think of sleep as a waste of time heh |
| [05:46:00] | dopester: | naw sleeping rocks |
| [05:46:00] | galen: | i find it essential to being most productive and thinking straight |
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| [05:47:00] | galen: | unless i feel like going through life in a stupor |
| [05:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | I spent 3 years sleeping an average of 2.5 to 3.5 hours a night |
| [05:47:00] | galen: | wow |
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| [05:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | so now if I sleep for 4+ hours it's amazing |
| [05:47:00] | galen: | well, i know some people who only have to sleep a few hours per night and that is all they need |
| [05:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | and to get 8 hours is just incredible |
| [05:48:00] | galen: | i sleep 8–10 hours per night |
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| [05:48:00] | galen: | Anybody know about support of onboard multichannel audio output? |
| [05:48:00] | galen: | "AC/97" or "Realtek 850" |
| [05:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | I can sleep on a dime, and wake up instantly. Takes me about 30–60 seconds to fall asleep. pisses off my GF who takes 20 minutes to fall asleep heh |
| [05:49:00] | galen: | i can generally go to sleep very quickly as well, but i am very controlled with my sleeping |
| [05:49:00] | galen: | like from the age of 5, i have never slept unless i decided I would |
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| [05:56:00] | defaultro: | im back guys :) |
| [05:56:00] | galen: | wb defaultro |
| [05:56:00] | galen: | not much happened |
| [05:57:00] | galen: | I think I'm gonna go with a FX 5200, I am thinking that should be more than ample for hdtv playback |
| [05:57:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [05:57:00] | galen: | and under $50 too! |
| [05:57:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [05:57:00] | galen: | w/dvi and svideo |
| [05:57:00] | galen: | so i'm not doing too bad so far |
| [05:57:00] | galen: | I'm debating on the motherboard now, trying to consider the onboard audio out |
| [05:57:00] | defaultro: | the reason i got 6600 GT is because of games, i wanted to play newer games |
| [05:58:00] | defaultro: | im using my built in audio |
| [05:58:00] | defaultro: | it's doing well so far |
| [05:58:00] | galen: | whoa, i accidently closed the window, could you repost the last two posts? |
| [05:58:00] | defaultro: | the reason i got 6600 GT is because of games, i wanted to play newer games |
| [05:58:00] | defaultro: | im using my built in audio |
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| [05:59:00] | galen: | stereo? |
| [05:59:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [05:59:00] | galen: | i really want to have 7.1 out |
| [05:59:00] | defaultro: | but i bought spdif connector last weekf rom gigabyte |
| [05:59:00] | defaultro: | it should arrive early next week |
| [05:59:00] | defaultro: | that way, i will be able to do 5.1 |
| [06:00:00] | galen: | under linux? |
| [06:00:00] | defaultro: | of course |
| [06:00:00] | defaultro: | it's for my mythbox |
| [06:00:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [06:00:00] | galen: | just making sure |
| [06:00:00] | defaultro: | i don't like windows |
| [06:00:00] | galen: | when you said "games" |
| [06:00:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [06:00:00] | defaultro: | im running ut2004 in linux |
| [06:00:00] | defaultro: | doom3 |
| [06:00:00] | galen: | cool |
| [06:00:00] | defaultro: | american army |
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| [06:00:00] | defaultro: | hi xris |
| [06:00:00] | galen: | If I can get 7.1 digital coax or optical out, I would be happy with onboard |
| [06:01:00] | galen: | and potentially pay a bit more for the motherboard |
| [06:01:00] | defaultro: | yeah, acorrding to a guy in #alsa, spdif out on nforce board are prestine |
| [06:01:00] | galen: | but i can't find hardly any information about support for these under linux/mythtv |
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| [06:01:00] | defaultro: | im in front of you, im the living testimony |
| [06:01:00] | defaultro: | lol |
| [06:01:00] | galen: | lol |
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| [06:01:00] | defaultro: | im using Windows XP for my mythtv |
| [06:01:00] | defaultro: | lol |
| [06:02:00] | defaultro: | Fedora Core 3 |
| [06:02:00] | galen: | rofl |
| [06:02:00] | defaultro: | you've seen my webpage |
| [06:02:00] | defaultro: | i've got a howto there on howto install nvidia |
| [06:02:00] | defaultro: | it's not Windows right :) |
| [06:03:00] | defaultro: | and why woould I be on this channel if I'm using gbpvr :) |
| [06:03:00] | defaultro: | take away all your fears |
| [06:03:00] | defaultro: | but remember, in linux, not everytime is christmas |
| [06:03:00] | defaultro: | you've got to make it to make it like christmas |
| [06:04:00] | galen: | lol |
| [06:04:00] | galen: | quite a comparison |
| [06:04:00] | defaultro: | im continuing my tiling tomorrow |
| [06:04:00] | defaultro: | i need to cut 4 files but it's very noisy |
| [06:04:00] | defaultro: | 4 tiles |
| [06:04:00] | defaultro: | neighbors might complain |
| [06:05:00] | galen: | ah yeah |
| [06:05:00] | defaultro: | but i did it 2am last time |
| [06:05:00] | galen: | i'm spoiled with os x over here |
| [06:05:00] | defaultro: | no police came in |
| [06:05:00] | galen: | zero driver issues |
| [06:05:00] | defaultro: | wow |
| [06:05:00] | defaultro: | why don't you use that for myuthtv |
| [06:06:00] | galen: | well, how do i get the video IN? |
| [06:06:00] | galen: | and i don't have a decent desktop |
| [06:06:00] | galen: | the os x desktop would cost more $-wise |
| [06:06:00] | galen: | THEN i'd have to drop more for a firewire tuner |
| [06:06:00] | galen: | which is 3x the cost of a PCI-based one |
| [06:06:00] | galen: | besides, i like a *little* adventure |
| [06:07:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [06:08:00] | ** defaultro can't believe what he's seeing in top's output, 29% cpu when playing hdtv ** | |
| [06:08:00] | galen: | so on your audio out, what chipset? |
| [06:08:00] | galen: | what motherboard? |
| [06:08:00] | galen: | what cpu? |
| [06:08:00] | defaultro: | i tried the latest cvs and it's just now that i used xvmc |
| [06:08:00] | defaultro: | before, they're always equal |
| [06:09:00] | defaultro: | i was getting 43–47% in Xv |
| [06:09:00] | defaultro: | athlon 64 3000+ |
| [06:09:00] | defaultro: | those developers did a good job |
| [06:09:00] | galen: | does compiling for 64-bit help? |
| [06:09:00] | defaultro: | never got 64 bit to work :( |
| [06:09:00] | defaultro: | im using 32bit fedora |
| [06:09:00] | galen: | oh hm |
| [06:09:00] | galen: | 64 bit could help |
| [06:09:00] | defaultro: | i dunno |
| [06:10:00] | defaultro: | it wil just be faster |
| [06:10:00] | galen: | yep |
| [06:10:00] | defaultro: | damn, i really can't believe my cpu :) |
| [06:11:00] | galen: | That's how I felt when I finished compiling and configuring VLC on my 1.33 GHz G4 and watched 1080i with deinterlacing |
| [06:11:00] | galen: | with no dropped frames |
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| [06:11:00] | galen: | Is there a nice clear process to determine what sound cards are supported under Linux? |
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| [06:12:00] | marmoset: | galen: most are |
| [06:12:00] | marmoset: | I haven't had an onboard one that wasn't for quite a while |
| [06:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | galen: check out the ALSA page. |
| [06:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | marmoset: Me either |
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| [06:12:00] | marmoset: | It used to be hell :) |
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| [06:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | I haven't had a problem with Linux+Sound in 6 or so years |
| [06:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | but that's cause I bought hardware knowing it was supported :) |
| [06:13:00] | defaultro: | hey GreyFoxx, look at this |
| [06:13:00] | marmoset: | I've used sblives for a long time cuz of the mixing |
| [06:13:00] | defaultro: | http://restricted.dyndns.org/athlon64_mythtv_cpu.gif |
| [06:13:00] | marmoset: | er, hardware mixin |
| [06:13:00] | marmoset: | g |
| [06:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | marmoset: Me too |
| [06:13:00] | defaultro: | I'm using XvMC on the latest CVS |
| [06:13:00] | defaultro: | before, XV and XvMC were identical |
| [06:14:00] | defaultro: | i mean, the cpu usage would reach 45% |
| [06:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | Nifty |
| [06:14:00] | defaultro: | now, it's 27% |
| [06:14:00] | defaultro: | that's a great improvement on the new cvs |
| [06:14:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [06:14:00] | mchou: | defaultro: what was it b4? |
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| [06:14:00] | defaultro: | hey mchou |
| [06:14:00] | mchou: | cpu util? |
| [06:15:00] | defaultro: | xvmc as of feb 23 cvs was at 45% |
| [06:15:00] | defaultro: | when playing hdtv |
| [06:15:00] | defaultro: | it was the same with xv |
| [06:15:00] | mchou: | hmm, xvmc doesnt work very well for me. |
| [06:15:00] | defaultro: | remember i told you that it ranges from 37 to 45 about 2 months ago |
| [06:15:00] | defaultro: | what version of nvidia? |
| [06:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | yay,, sleep time |
| [06:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | *p00f* |
| [06:15:00] | mchou: | I get a blue band on top of my screen if using xvmc. |
| [06:16:00] | defaultro: | hmmm |
| [06:16:00] | mchou: | the latest. |
| [06:16:00] | defaultro: | blue band? |
| [06:16:00] | mchou: | it's a geforce 4200ti, though. |
| [06:16:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [06:16:00] | defaultro: | you know mine |
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| [06:16:00] | defaultro: | hey jason |
| [06:16:00] | defaultro: | long time :) |
| [06:16:00] | mchou: | yeah, small ble band like there is no input. |
| [06:16:00] | mchou: | blue* |
| [06:17:00] | defaultro: | ah, i know what you mean now |
| [06:17:00] | defaultro: | is it annoying? |
| [06:17:00] | mchou: | it's annoying to me :) |
| [06:17:00] | defaultro: | how thick |
| [06:17:00] | defaultro: | if using inches |
| [06:17:00] | defaultro: | .4 inches |
| [06:17:00] | mchou: | and osd doesnt work quite right w/xvmc. |
| [06:17:00] | defaultro: | let me try it |
| [06:18:00] | defaultro: | but i tried last weeks cvs, sound doesnt stutter anymore |
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| [06:18:00] | defaultro: | wait |
| [06:18:00] | mchou: | 2–3% of screen height maybe |
| [06:18:00] | defaultro: | it stuttered |
| [06:18:00] | defaultro: | :( |
| [06:18:00] | defaultro: | but it's ok |
| [06:18:00] | defaultro: | i don't know why it's stuttering |
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| [06:18:00] | defaultro: | i've noticed that before |
| [06:19:00] | mchou: | hehe, don't be too quick to count them chickens. |
| [06:19:00] | mchou: | :) |
| [06:19:00] | Agrajag-: | so uhh. who should use xvmc? i have a gf2mx and watch dvb stuff.. would it help me? |
| [06:19:00] | mchou: | gf2??? |
| [06:19:00] | mchou: | I dont think so :) |
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| [06:19:00] | Agrajag-: | heh ok |
| [06:19:00] | defaultro: | mchou, did i tell you last week that I went to my neighbor who had comcast and an hdtv with built-in tuner? |
| [06:19:00] | mchou: | yeah, what about it? |
| [06:20:00] | defaultro: | he's able to watch 3 hd |
| [06:20:00] | defaultro: | 2,5, and 11 |
| [06:20:00] | mchou: | hehe. yeah, comcast is a rip. |
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| [06:20:00] | defaultro: | so you think comcast will encrypt their non-local HD? |
| [06:20:00] | mchou: | but according to antennaweb you're only supposed to get 3 HDTV stations, no? |
| [06:21:00] | mchou: | defaultro: definitely. |
| [06:21:00] | defaultro: | yeah, that was from antenaweb before |
| [06:21:00] | defaultro: | so do you think, comcast follows that even if it's qam |
| [06:21:00] | mchou: | so maybe comcast isn't so bad after all :) |
| [06:22:00] | mchou: | comcast wants to encrypt all channels, including locals :) |
| [06:22:00] | mchou: | QAM or no :) |
| [06:22:00] | defaultro: | well, let's wait for Brad's suit |
| [06:22:00] | mchou: | so do other cableco's |
| [06:22:00] | mchou: | Brad's suit? |
| [06:22:00] | mchou: | what's he suing for? |
| [06:22:00] | defaultro: | fcc right? |
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| [06:23:00] | defaultro: | regarding bf? |
| [06:23:00] | defaultro: | am i correct? |
| [06:23:00] | mchou: | I dunno which suit you're talking about. |
| [06:24:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [06:24:00] | mchou: | FCC has not yet made a ruling on encryption of local channels, but I'm asumming they will do so later thiis year. |
| [06:24:00] | defaultro: | let me find it |
| [06:24:00] | defaultro: | oh no |
| [06:24:00] | defaultro: | then air2pc is gone |
| [06:24:00] | mchou: | well, I wouldnt "panic" till then :) |
| [06:25:00] | mchou: | air2pc will always be good for OTA :) |
| [06:25:00] | Beirdo: | which is what it was made for |
| [06:25:00] | defaultro: | i need to build 1000 mythtv with 4 air2pc for each and record all local channels every hour |
| [06:25:00] | defaultro: | then i will broadcast it :) |
| [06:26:00] | defaultro: | mchou, when you said encryption on local channels, are you talking about the one in QAM? |
| [06:26:00] | mchou: | sigh, al cable channels are in qam, including analog. |
| [06:26:00] | mchou: | all* |
| [06:26:00] | Beirdo: | no they aren't |
| [06:27:00] | defaultro: | no, i was asking about encryption |
| [06:27:00] | Beirdo: | analog is not QAM last I heard |
| [06:27:00] | mchou: | so be precise in terminology* |
| [06:27:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: you heard wrong then. |
| [06:27:00] | defaultro: | this is what i was asking, <mchou> FCC has not yet made a ruling on encryption of local channels, but I'm asumming they will do so later thiis year. |
| [06:27:00] | Beirdo: | QAM is a recent digital encoding method |
| [06:27:00] | defaultro: | so are you refereing to QAM? |
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| [06:28:00] | defaultro: | you're not refering to encryption of local channels in OTA right? |
| [06:28:00] | mchou: | defaultro: I'm referring to digital specifically in that statement. |
| [06:28:00] | defaultro: | yeah, digital |
| [06:28:00] | defaultro: | i was asking about air2pc |
| [06:28:00] | mchou: | analog is a "done deal", must be clear for locals. |
| [06:28:00] | defaultro: | so i assumed you know that i was refering to digital :) |
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| [06:29:00] | defaultro: | let me rephrase: does FCC have plans on encrypting OTA HD? |
| [06:29:00] | Elmoe: | hey has anyone else noticed that xmltv isn't distinguising between daily show episodes anymore |
| [06:30:00] | Elmoe: | doesn't have episode indications so mythtv just get it over and over |
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| [06:31:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: analog TV is NTSC. you find me something that says NTSC broadcast is QAM encoded |
| [06:31:00] | Gumby: | does anyone in here know where I might be able to download nuvexport. Seems like the official site is down |
| [06:31:00] | mchou: | huh??? we're talking modulation over cable. |
| [06:32:00] | Beirdo: | even over cable |
| [06:32:00] | Beirdo: | analog cable is encoded identically to broadcast |
| [06:32:00] | Beirdo: | just shifted to different frequencies, and carried over a cable |
| [06:33:00] | MajestiK: | Beirdo, it's actually different frequencies? can't you use the same freq off an antenna as a cable? |
| [06:33:00] | defaultro: | btw guys, how come, it fails when i cvs other apps other than mythtv? anything wrong? |
| [06:33:00] | Beirdo: | some of the channels are the same frequencies, but not all |
| [06:33:00] | Beirdo: | I think up to 13 are the same |
| [06:33:00] | defaultro: | Beirdo, looks like i agree with you |
| [06:33:00] | MajestiK: | Gumby: it should be in myth's cvs tree |
| [06:34:00] | defaultro: | because, i tried setting my tuner to us-cable, and i was still able to capture channels |
| [06:34:00] | defaultro: | however, channels get shifted to another number |
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| [06:35:00] | Beirdo: | QAM encoding is for digital signals primarily, and is WAY newer than NTSC broadcast |
| [06:35:00] | galen: | hey, i'm back |
| [06:35:00] | galen: | finally! |
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| [06:36:00] | defaultro: | so you got gbpvr galen working :) |
| [06:36:00] | galen: | i have not been that frustrated in a while |
| [06:36:00] | galen: | my ISP decided to re-assign my IP |
| [06:36:00] | galen: | then when i went to come back, it said nick in use |
| [06:36:00] | galen: | and my client has a weird bug with this server only where it was refusing to change my nick |
| [06:37:00] | galen: | grrrrrrr |
| [06:37:00] | galen: | gbpvr? |
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| [06:38:00] | galen: | oh i googled |
| [06:38:00] | galen: | anyhow |
| [06:38:00] | galen: | I'm finding very incomplete information about sound support under linux, or even the type of connector on a given motherboard |
| [06:38:00] | galen: | so it's like rolling a dice |
| [06:38:00] | riksta: | you love to whinge don't you? |
| [06:39:00] | mchou: | hehe. |
| [06:39:00] | defaultro: | galen, you don't trust me don't you |
| [06:39:00] | riksta: | galen did you say you had an nforce motherboard with onboard sound? |
| [06:39:00] | defaultro: | he still doesn't have |
| [06:39:00] | mchou: | another clueless mac user |
| [06:40:00] | defaultro: | he's planning of buying one |
| [06:40:00] | riksta: | ah |
| [06:40:00] | defaultro: | i told him my setup |
| [06:40:00] | riksta: | oh my god don't buy nforce based chipsets |
| [06:40:00] | galen: | sorry, i was looking for 7.1 |
| [06:40:00] | riksta: | truly a nightmare |
| [06:40:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [06:40:00] | mchou: | huh??? |
| [06:40:00] | galen: | and you were talking 5.1 |
| [06:40:00] | defaultro: | galen, sorry, my gigabyte only support 8 channels :( |
| [06:40:00] | riksta: | well, nforce2 anyway |
| [06:40:00] | riksta: | :) |
| [06:40:00] | defaultro: | am on nforce3 |
| [06:40:00] | Beirdo: | riksta: almost all my machines are nforce |
| [06:40:00] | galen: | I'm sorry, i'm just paranoid |
| [06:40:00] | riksta: | yeah i meant nforce2 sorry |
| [06:40:00] | Beirdo: | my PVR uses nforce2 |
| [06:41:00] | defaultro: | galen, why do you want 7.1? |
| [06:41:00] | Beirdo: | and I use onboard audio |
| [06:41:00] | Beirdo: | works just fine |
| [06:41:00] | riksta: | yeah the onboard audio is ok here |
| [06:41:00] | defaultro: | galen answer me |
| [06:41:00] | mchou: | riksta: what's wrong with nforce2? |
| [06:41:00] | riksta: | but i've had so much trouble with ACPI / APIC problems, irq lockups etc etc |
| [06:41:00] | riksta: | im still suffering a bttv irq lockup as we speak |
| [06:41:00] | riksta: | mchou: asus a7x8n |
| [06:41:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [06:41:00] | mchou: | turn apic off then. simple. |
| [06:41:00] | riksta: | what's funny? |
| [06:41:00] | riksta: | no shit |
| [06:41:00] | riksta: | don't you think i have |
| [06:42:00] | mchou: | beats me. have you? |
| [06:42:00] | riksta: | of course |
| [06:42:00] | galen: | sorry, hold on |
| [06:42:00] | defaultro: | don't google for 7.1 :) |
| [06:42:00] | defaultro: | just answer from top of your head |
| [06:42:00] | riksta: | i've tried everything under the sun to fix this latest prob |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | ACPI is probably asus problem :) |
| [06:43:00] | galen: | defaultro, i have a few plans for this in the long run with a home entertainment system and i want to be able to drive ALL of it |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | APIC is probably nvidia problem :) |
| [06:43:00] | galen: | and no, i wasn't googling for 7.1 :) |
| [06:43:00] | defaultro: | galen, simple, use spdif protocol |
| [06:43:00] | riksta: | mchou: yeah i disable it totally in the bios, and acpi and remove everything to do with it from the kernel |
| [06:43:00] | riksta: | still no joy |
| [06:43:00] | riksta: | mchou: i get tons of this: |
| [06:43:00] | riksta: | Apr 14 22:37:50 draconis bttv0: OCERR @ 3741f000,bits: HSYNC OFLOW FBUS OCERR* |
| [06:43:00] | riksta: | Apr 14 22:37:50 draconis bttv0: OCERR @ 3745f014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW OCERR* |
| [06:43:00] | defaultro: | ac3 passthrough, end of story |
| [06:43:00] | riksta: | and then just hardlock |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | riksta: you need to be specific with your problems :) |
| [06:43:00] | riksta: | i've read every single forum port ans list post ever made |
| [06:44:00] | defaultro: | galen, do you have a receiver? |
| [06:44:00] | riksta: | mchou: on watching tv from TWO different bttv cards |
| [06:44:00] | galen: | where i may be running this, yes, and it will be 7.1 soon enough |
| [06:44:00] | riksta: | it'll randomly just decide to spew those errors and lockup |
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| [06:44:00] | defaultro: | galen, that means, you don't have any receiver yet? |
| [06:44:00] | riksta: | i have two of the exact same card, and i've tried swapping em out, and they both work fine in another puter |
| [06:44:00] | mchou: | riksta: what happens if you only use one bttv card? |
| [06:45:00] | riksta: | mchou: i've only ever used one at a time |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | riksta: ok. |
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| [06:45:00] | riksta: | i even, ripped out ALL my cards from the box, cleared the bios, incase the bios god confused about the pnp cards and the IRQs etc |
| [06:45:00] | riksta: | and added them one by one, and tried with only the bttv card in there, still happens |
| [06:46:00] | galen: | defaultro: well, i'm in a situation where this thing is gonna be moved around a few households |
| [06:46:00] | galen: | from time to time |
| [06:46:00] | mchou: | lemme see your kernel command line in lilo |
| [06:46:00] | riksta: | i've reverted to old kernels, that worked fine before, and it still locks, and i;ve reverted to old nvidia drivers, i've even tried using the nv driver not nvidia |
| [06:46:00] | mchou: | and what kernel you using? |
| [06:46:00] | galen: | i see what you mean about ac3 pass through though |
| [06:46:00] | defaultro: | so why are you afraid of sound support in linux? |
| [06:47:00] | galen: | um, i'm just paranoid |
| [06:47:00] | galen: | what about something like http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp . . . 6&DEPA=0 |
| [06:47:00] | riksta: | mchou: i use grub, and i don't pass any extra params... i was using 2.6.10 for about 3 months perfectly, (a fre different RC's) and i am now on 2.6.11-gentoo-r6, however i have tried them all |
| [06:47:00] | defaultro: | looks like you haven't used linux yet |
| [06:47:00] | galen: | sounds exactly like what i'm looking for |
| [06:47:00] | mchou: | riksta: there is your problem right there. |
| [06:47:00] | riksta: | mchou: how is it? |
| [06:47:00] | galen: | i have not setup my own linux system other than a little miscellaneous tinkering |
| [06:48:00] | mchou: | kernel parameters. |
| [06:48:00] | riksta: | why? |
| [06:48:00] | defaultro: | mine is GA-K8NS |
| [06:48:00] | riksta: | i have removed APIC and ACPI support completely from the kernel image |
| [06:48:00] | defaultro: | but i wish, i had a builtin firewire :( |
| [06:48:00] | riksta: | and they are both disabled in the bios |
| [06:48:00] | mchou: | why?? because nforce requires special kernel parameters |
| [06:48:00] | mchou: | shit. |
| [06:48:00] | riksta: | mchou: do tell |
| [06:48:00] | galen: | I generally pop in AFTER the system is running and most of my work has been database/application/web server related |
| [06:48:00] | riksta: | no know the NOLAPIC NOAPIC NOACPI etc |
| [06:49:00] | riksta: | but there's no point because they aren't in the bzImage |
| [06:49:00] | defaultro: | galen, gotcha |
| [06:49:00] | riksta: | or enabled |
| [06:49:00] | mchou: | google nforce2 kernel parameters. |
| [06:49:00] | riksta: | mchou: can you be more specific |
| [06:49:00] | defaultro: | what capture card does riksta have? |
| [06:49:00] | riksta: | an old bt848 card, tv wonder ve (as my dvb card is not in use because the antenna is broken) |
| [06:49:00] | mchou: | bttv :) |
| [06:49:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [06:50:00] | riksta: | mchou: the problem i have with this is, it was working for months perfectly, and without modifying the kernel etc |
| [06:50:00] | riksta: | it stopped |
| [06:50:00] | riksta: | so i immediately thought....h/w issue |
| [06:50:00] | riksta: | so i swapped it out with a spare i had, exactly the same card |
| [06:50:00] | mchou: | if it worked fine why do you suspect HW??? |
| [06:50:00] | riksta: | dude |
| [06:51:00] | riksta: | it worked fine.....then it didn't |
| [06:51:00] | riksta: | so i thought the h/w got hosed |
| [06:51:00] | galen: | defaultro, what is that adapter you're getting? |
| [06:51:00] | mchou: | lol, and that equals HW problem in your mind? |
| [06:51:00] | defaultro: | adapater? |
| [06:51:00] | riksta: | mchou: it does after i tried everything else i could possibly think of |
| [06:51:00] | defaultro: | galen, what do you mean with adapter? what are you refering to? |
| [06:51:00] | riksta: | and the fact that i know i didn't change anything in the bios or change any kernel stuff |
| [06:51:00] | mchou: | riksta: heh. That's clearly not a HW problem. |
| [06:52:00] | riksta: | mchou: so what is it then :) |
| [06:52:00] | galen: | defaultro, sorry, i wasn't thinking, i mean the audio adapter |
| [06:52:00] | galen: | dafaultro, the 5.1 one |
| [06:52:00] | riksta: | i googled your suggestion, nothing i can see is useful atm |
| [06:52:00] | defaultro: | that board should support 8 channels |
| [06:52:00] | mchou: | riksta: I told ya already. you need to utter the right kernel incantations :) |
| [06:52:00] | defaultro: | the one you showed using spdif connector |
| [06:52:00] | defaultro: | however, like mine, it didn't come with spdif connector |
| [06:52:00] | defaultro: | so I bought one from gigabyte last week for $14 |
| [06:52:00] | riksta: | mchou: so how does that figure, when i didn't "utter" them previously and it was perfect? that's what i don't understand |
| [06:53:00] | defaultro: | galen, i will be using toslink connectors |
| [06:53:00] | defaultro: | galen, you know toslink right? |
| [06:53:00] | galen: | yes |
| [06:53:00] | riksta: | mchou: maybe that is correct for someone that has ACPI and APIC enabled, but as i have stated , I don't ...so i just wonder how you determine that? |
| [06:53:00] | galen: | defaultro, you mean the GA-K8NSC-939 |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | riksta: cause you changed kernels (either recompile or version) |
| [06:53:00] | riksta: | (i'm not intentionally arguing with you) |
| [06:53:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [06:53:00] | defaultro: | look at the package in newegg |
| [06:53:00] | galen: | ok |
| [06:54:00] | riksta: | mchou: but that's the point, i've reverted back to each one of them (that i know were working fine) and it still happens |
| [06:54:00] | defaultro: | however, we've got different audio board |
| [06:54:00] | defaultro: | this is mine, Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC850 8-Channel Codec |
| [06:55:00] | defaultro: | yours will be Onboard Audio: ALC850 8-Ch |
| [06:55:00] | mchou: | riksta: I'd be more inclined to believe you didn't really revert to the old working kernel. Probably confused yourself) |
| [06:55:00] | defaultro: | it's the same dude, lol |
| [06:55:00] | galen: | defaultro, i think i'm reasonably satisfied on the audio now :) |
| [06:55:00] | defaultro: | galen, again, you will have to learn the opensource way |
| [06:56:00] | riksta: | mchou: i'm not being funny, but trust me, i'm no idiot...... and i can assure you i know i went back to a working one, i have them all saved in my grub.conf |
| [06:56:00] | defaultro: | it's not like just running a .exe program and bam |
| [06:56:00] | galen: | you mean the way of having no conclusive support or lack thereof? :P |
| [06:56:00] | mchou: | riksta: you did check this out, no? http://atlas.et.tudelft.nl/verwei90/nforce2/ |
| [06:56:00] | defaultro: | not about support |
| [06:56:00] | defaultro: | but the patience |
| [06:56:00] | riksta: | mchou: sec, looking |
| [06:57:00] | riksta: | yeah i've trued the apic_tack |
| [06:57:00] | riksta: | but that's only when you have apic support on, which tried, on and off and with apic_tack+on |
| [06:57:00] | galen: | defaultro, i think it's slightly ridiculous with the hardware bit. i can understand free software taking a while to make work, but when you're talking about dropping real money, i want an instant support/unsupported flag :) |
| [06:57:00] | mchou: | no, I'm referring to these:noapic ~ acpi=off ~ nolapic |
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| [06:57:00] | riksta: | anyway, those bugs were ironed out a long time ago |
| [06:57:00] | riksta: | yeah i tried them |
| [06:57:00] | riksta: | but i already said it doesnt matter because i don't have them built into the kernel dude |
| [06:57:00] | galen: | though i guess i can go after the manu/reseller |
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| [06:58:00] | mchou: | riksta: dude, why dont you just use a standard distro kernel and turn off the appropriate features in the kernel command line? |
| [06:59:00] | riksta: | mchou: dude, I have already tried it |
| [06:59:00] | mchou: | you probably screwed more things up by trying to recompile your own kernel. |
| [06:59:00] | defaultro: | riksta, i think, it's time to buy a PVR 150/250 tuner :) |
| [06:59:00] | riksta: | mchou: please, don't patronise me man, i've only ever compiled my own kernels |
| [06:59:00] | mchou: | or a new mobo, since he hates it so much. |
| [07:00:00] | riksta: | they've worked perfectly for me for years |
| [07:00:00] | mchou: | riksta: send me your nforce board. I'll give you a via board in exchange :) |
| [07:00:00] | riksta: | haha :) |
| [07:00:00] | riksta: | not a chance :P |
| [07:00:00] | defaultro: | riksta, what about a fresh install |
| [07:00:00] | riksta: | defaultro: that's looking like the only option next |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | lol. So you know there is nothing wrong with your mobo then. |
| [07:01:00] | riksta: | i have a spare 20gb lying around somewhere |
| [07:01:00] | defaultro: | yeah, instead of wasting weeks trying to figure what changed |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | If your really think it's a HW problem you should have no issues getting rid of the HW. |
| [07:01:00] | riksta: | mchou: i don't know where the problem lies, but i was saying to start with that there has been plenty of problems with these nforce2 boards to do with acpi and apic |
| [07:02:00] | riksta: | mchou: I don't think you were listening to what i said |
| [07:02:00] | defaultro: | lspci -v doesnt show anything right? |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | acpi is a buggy bios issue. apic is a nvidia issue. |
| [07:02:00] | riksta: | i said i thought it might be a H/W problem so i put in the other identical card and it did the same |
| [07:02:00] | riksta: | therefore I don't think it is NOW |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | huh??? |
| [07:02:00] | riksta: | what don't you understand about that?? |
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| [07:03:00] | mchou: | you warned ppl not to go get nforce2 board, yet you say now it's no longer a HW issue?? |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | where's the causalityy? |
| [07:03:00] | riksta: | i wasn't referring to the particular problem i am CURRENTLY experiencing |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [07:03:00] | riksta: | i was referring to problems in the PAST, christ |
| [07:04:00] | riksta: | you're just trying to wind me up |
| [07:04:00] | riksta: | :) |
| [07:04:00] | mchou: | yet in the past you said it worked? lol. |
| [07:04:00] | riksta: | fuckin hell |
| [07:04:00] | riksta: | i despair |
| [07:04:00] | mchou: | so what's changed? |
| [07:04:00] | riksta: | the problem i am currently having was ok before |
| [07:04:00] | defaultro: | mchou, what's wrong with cvs, i've been trying since yesterday to get mythmusic, and others and keeps failing. Any ideas? |
| [07:04:00] | riksta: | but there were previous issues with APIC and ACPI that everyone had |
| [07:04:00] | defaultro: | this is what I get: cvs server: cannot find module `mythmusic' – ignored |
| [07:04:00] | mchou: | shit, who's on first? |
| [07:04:00] | riksta: | which i have just said about 10 times |
| [07:04:00] | mchou: | hehe. |
| [07:05:00] | mchou: | this is just too funny. You are a one man abott & costello act :) |
| [07:05:00] | riksta: | no you are just a wind-up merchant :P |
| [07:05:00] | riksta: | i know what you're like, i've been around in this chan for long enough! |
| [07:05:00] | riksta: | hehe |
| [07:06:00] | riksta: | anyway, other than kernel params, have you anything else to suggest |
| [07:06:00] | mchou: | get a new mobo? :) |
| [07:06:00] | mchou: | or get a new tuner. |
| [07:06:00] | mchou: | end of story. |
| [07:06:00] | riksta: | fuck it, why don't i just throw the whole thing out of the apartment window :) |
| [07:07:00] | mchou: | shit, I pay ya postage :) |
| [07:07:00] | riksta: | i would just move the card and backend to antoher of my boxes |
| [07:07:00] | riksta: | but it aint near an antenna socket |
| [07:07:00] | mchou: | plus you get a nice via mobo :) |
| [07:07:00] | riksta: | UK postage -> USA.... |
| [07:07:00] | mchou: | cheap! |
| [07:07:00] | riksta: | $$ |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | I've ordered CDs form UK b4. cheap. |
| [07:08:00] | riksta: | hehe |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | from* |
| [07:08:00] | riksta: | CDs != awkward mobo :) |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [07:08:00] | riksta: | i'll mail you a turd |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | they both weigh the same. boxed set. |
| [07:09:00] | riksta: | hehe |
| [07:09:00] | riksta: | man, i really wouldn't be having this whole entire convo, if my lazy ass son of a bitch landlord would just fix my damn antenna so i can put my dvb-t card back in |
| [07:09:00] | mchou: | riksta: you'd be the one handling said turd :) |
| [07:10:00] | defaultro: | alright guys, time to go to bed |
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| [07:10:00] | riksta: | I am still baffled how it's suddenly stopped working |
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| [07:13:00] | mchou: | riksta: why dont you d/l overclockix and see if bttv card works :) |
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| [07:13:00] | riksta: | eh? |
| [07:14:00] | riksta: | knoppix |
| [07:14:00] | mchou: | thats a knoppix customized for nforce2 |
| [07:14:00] | riksta: | cool, bloody good idea |
| [07:15:00] | riksta: | i'll do it now |
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| [07:15:00] | riksta: | i have a plain knoppix cd here |
| [07:15:00] | riksta: | i might just try that |
| [07:15:00] | riksta: | the problem is |
| [07:15:00] | riksta: | it can run for 10 hours straight with tv on |
| [07:15:00] | riksta: | and die |
| [07:15:00] | riksta: | or die after 10 seconds |
| [07:15:00] | mchou: | knoppix most likely wont work on nforce2 |
| [07:15:00] | Beirdo: | why the hell wouldn't it? |
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| [07:15:00] | riksta: | it does |
| [07:16:00] | mchou: | maybe new versions work now, who knows |
| [07:16:00] | riksta: | it's worked for ages dude |
| [07:16:00] | mchou: | older versions of knoppix couldnt even boot on nforce2. |
| [07:17:00] | riksta: | well obviously archaic one's don't |
| [07:17:00] | riksta: | imma see if it locks up |
| [07:17:00] | mchou: | no, I'm talking about once that were contemporaneous with nforce2 |
| [07:17:00] | mchou: | ones* |
| [07:18:00] | riksta: | ?? |
| [07:18:00] | riksta: | too big of a word for me |
| [07:18:00] | mchou: | look it up man. |
| [07:18:00] | riksta: | i don't even care anyway if it doesnt support nforce |
| [07:18:00] | riksta: | i don't need a hdd to test this |
| [07:18:00] | riksta: | bbl |
| [07:18:00] | riksta: | i know my cd does anyway |
| [07:19:00] | riksta: | thanks for the suggestion |
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| [07:24:00] | knoppix_: | guess who |
| [07:25:00] | knoppix_: | bttv0: SCERR @ 372a3014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW FBUS SCERR* |
| [07:25:00] | knoppix_: | bttv0: SCERR @ 372a3014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW FBUS SCERR* |
| [07:25:00] | knoppix_: | bttv0: SCERR @ 372a3014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW FBUS SCERR* |
| [07:25:00] | knoppix_: | irq 5: nobody cared! |
| [07:25:00] | knoppix_: | [<c0108806>] __report_bad_irq+0x22/0x74 |
| [07:25:00] | knoppix_: | [<c01088bc>] note_interrupt+0x4c/0x78 |
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| [07:25:00] | riksta: | oh dear |
| [07:26:00] | riksta: | something is big time bolloxed |
| [07:27:00] | riksta: | mchou, have a look at this: http://pastebin.ca/9586 |
| [07:28:00] | mchou: | hehe. |
| [07:28:00] | riksta: | now i'm baffled, my tv cards have worked in knopix before |
| [07:28:00] | riksta: | from this very cd |
| [07:28:00] | riksta: | could my mobo be "up the swanny?" |
| [07:28:00] | mchou: | irq 5: nobody cared! |
| [07:29:00] | riksta: | yeah, that's about how i feel too! |
| [07:29:00] | mchou: | that's a bad sign. no interrupt handler. |
| [07:29:00] | riksta: | tvcard broken or what? |
| [07:29:00] | mchou: | try the other tvcard. |
| [07:29:00] | riksta: | suppose |
| [07:29:00] | riksta: | i bet it does the same |
| [07:30:00] | riksta: | brb geeza |
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| [07:47:00] | riksta: | riksta i just tried the other card in the same slot |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | riksta it locked before even finishing the scan |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | riksta i've got it in a new slot now |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | riksta just gonna try again |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | tuner: TV freq (0.00) out of range (44–958) |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | bttv0: timeout: drop=1 irq=2668/2668, risc=372a601c, bits: VSYNC HSYNC OFLOW |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | bttv0: reset, reinitialize |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | bttv0: PLL: 28636363 => 35468950 . ok |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | bttv0: OCERR @ 372a6014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW FDSR PPERR OCERR* |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | bttv0: OCERR @ 372a6014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW PPERR OCERR* |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | bttv0: OCERR @ 372a6014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW PPERR OCERR* |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | bttv0: OCERR @ 372a6014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW FBUS PPERR OCERR* |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | bttv0: OCERR @ 372a6014,bits: OFLOW FBUS OCERR* |
| [07:47:00] | riksta: | bttv0: OCERR @ 372a601c,bits: HSYNC OFLOW RISCI* FBUS PPERR OCERR* |
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| [07:49:00] | riksta: | http://hamnett.org/screenshot.png |
| [07:49:00] | riksta: | what the hell? |
| [07:49:00] | mchou: | hehe. twlight zone..... |
| [07:50:00] | riksta: | can u see the picture all over the screen? |
| [07:50:00] | mchou: | screenshot doesnt come up for me |
| [07:50:00] | riksta: | knoppix@ttyp2[knoppix]$ ssh 192.168.1.3 |
| [07:50:00] | riksta: | Segmentation fault |
| [07:50:00] | mchou: | bet you using a ati video card. |
| [07:50:00] | riksta: | sorry |
| [07:50:00] | riksta: | its called |
| [07:50:00] | riksta: | snapshot.png |
| [07:50:00] | riksta: | nvidia |
| [07:51:00] | riksta: | GF4 |
| [07:51:00] | riksta: | it was showing ok in the window |
| [07:51:00] | riksta: | then after the dodgy messages in dmesg |
| [07:51:00] | riksta: | it started putting the tv output all over the screen |
| [07:51:00] | riksta: | http://hamnett.org/snapshot.png |
| [07:51:00] | mchou: | no joy man. |
| [07:51:00] | riksta: | fuck |
| [07:51:00] | riksta: | snapshot1 |
| [07:51:00] | riksta: | my bad |
| [07:52:00] | riksta: | got it? |
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| [07:53:00] | tuxristo: | that almost looks like a PAL vs NTSC problem |
| [07:53:00] | riksta: | nah man |
| [07:53:00] | mchou: | hehe, make sure all your cards are well seated. |
| [07:53:00] | riksta: | it never happens usually |
| [07:53:00] | riksta: | man |
| [07:53:00] | riksta: | of course they are well seated |
| [07:53:00] | riksta: | :P |
| [07:53:00] | riksta: | i've had them in and out a billion times trying to fix this shit |
| [07:54:00] | riksta: | it's some h/w or bios/mobo problem it has to be |
| [07:54:00] | mchou: | and that's precisely why you should check. |
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| [07:54:00] | riksta: | i have checked |
| [07:54:00] | riksta: | i checked before i powered it on it is perfectly in |
| [07:54:00] | mchou: | mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x8000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x200000 |
| [07:54:00] | mchou: | that too is a problem. |
| [07:55:00] | mchou: | and more likely the responsible culprit. |
| [07:55:00] | riksta: | i doubt it |
| [07:55:00] | riksta: | i don't get that when i'm not in knoppix |
| [07:55:00] | mchou: | you doubt it?? |
| [07:55:00] | riksta: | yes |
| [07:55:00] | riksta: | as above |
| [07:56:00] | mchou: | you dont even know what mtrr does, probably. memory corruption would cause the artifacts by cdrom icon. |
| [07:56:00] | riksta: | why are you so quick to assume i don't know anything |
| [07:56:00] | mchou: | cause you dismissed it out of hand. |
| [07:57:00] | riksta: | for the reason above |
| [07:57:00] | mchou: | with no good reason. |
| [07:57:00] | mchou: | that screenshot is from knoppix, no?? |
| [07:57:00] | riksta: | yes |
| [07:58:00] | riksta: | ok well maybe i'll swap out some memory then |
| [07:58:00] | mchou: | so why does you bein not in knoppix have anything to do w/ a proper explanation? |
| [07:58:00] | mchou: | being* |
| [07:58:00] | riksta: | i said that I'm pretty sure I only got that error in knoppix |
| [07:58:00] | riksta: | rather than in my proper distro |
| [07:58:00] | riksta: | so if it's not common across the two how can it be a factor |
| [07:59:00] | mchou: | right, and I'm explaning why you get display corruption in knoppix. What's dont you grok? |
| [07:59:00] | riksta: | " What's dont you grok?" eh? |
| [07:59:00] | mchou: | What dont you grok? |
| [08:00:00] | mchou: | you getting pedantic on my spelling mistakes now? |
| [08:00:00] | riksta: | no i just didn't understand you |
| [08:00:00] | riksta: | right so are you saying i should try new memory |
| [08:00:00] | riksta: | or run memtest or something |
| [08:00:00] | mchou: | I'm saying nothing of the sort. |
| [08:00:00] | riksta: | what then |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | I'm saying dont run knoppix in fb. |
| [08:02:00] | riksta: | hmm |
| [08:02:00] | riksta: | ok then....ill go try without? |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | what command line did you book knoppix with? |
| [08:02:00] | riksta: | it was displaying fine in the xawtv window for about 2 minutes |
| [08:02:00] | riksta: | then when the bttv errors came |
| [08:02:00] | riksta: | THEN it went all voer the place |
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| [08:03:00] | mchou: | boot* |
| [08:03:00] | riksta: | i ran it with knoppix26 screen=1280x1024 depth=24 |
| [08:03:00] | mchou: | what cpu is this? |
| [08:03:00] | riksta: | athlon xp 2600+ |
| [08:04:00] | mchou: | what the temp? |
| [08:04:00] | riksta: | around 48 as it always is |
| [08:05:00] | riksta: | running at default fsb and multiplier |
| [08:05:00] | mchou: | did you overclock? |
| [08:05:00] | riksta: | i've even tried it at lower speeds |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | cat /proc/interrupts |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | CPU0 |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | 0: 1644642 XT-PIC timer |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | 1: 6373 XT-PIC i8042 |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | 4: 0 XT-PIC ohci1394 |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | 7: 451447 XT-PIC NVIDIA nForce Audio |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | 11: 43721 XT-PIC ohci_hcd, ohci_hcd, eth1 |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | 14: 335 XT-PIC ide0 |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | 15: 1830 XT-PIC ide1 |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | NMI: 0 |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | LOC: 1644574 |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | ERR: 351447 |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | MIS: 0 |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | i've had to unload the bttv module |
| [08:06:00] | riksta: | want me to put it back |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | what interrupt was bttv on? |
| [08:07:00] | riksta: | 5: 24480 XT-PIC bttv0 |
| [08:07:00] | riksta: | there |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | dude, that ERR is a very bad sign. |
| [08:08:00] | riksta: | won't that be because the bttv module crashed out |
| [08:08:00] | riksta: | it's going up |
| [08:08:00] | riksta: | ERR: 387167 |
| [08:08:00] | riksta: | ERR: 387168 |
| [08:08:00] | mchou: | no, 351k errors since last reboot is bad. |
| [08:08:00] | riksta: | ERR: 387253 |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | here's mine: |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | NMI: 0 ~ LOC: 0 ~ ERR: 0 ~ MIS: 0 ~ |
| [08:09:00] | riksta: | so where does that point to the prob |
| [08:09:00] | riksta: | yeah mines only been up 30 min |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | that's after months of uptime. |
| [08:10:00] | riksta: | is it a mobo issue |
| [08:10:00] | riksta: | or what |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | only way to tell is try the same CPU in another mobo. |
| [08:10:00] | riksta: | the CPU?! |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | if the same thing happens CPU is dying. |
| [08:10:00] | riksta: | hmmm |
| [08:10:00] | riksta: | bollocks |
| [08:11:00] | riksta: | so it's v likely the cpu not the mobo then |
| [08:11:00] | mchou: | no, I didnt say that. |
| [08:11:00] | riksta: | i can borrow a cpu, and try it in MY mobo |
| [08:11:00] | riksta: | would that achieve the same effect |
| [08:11:00] | riksta: | acheive |
| [08:11:00] | mchou: | no it wont. |
| [08:11:00] | riksta: | how come |
| [08:11:00] | mchou: | cause you want to eliminate the mb as source of problems, not cpu. |
| [08:12:00] | riksta: | but if i try a new cpu in here and the problem goes away..... |
| [08:12:00] | riksta: | then surely that indicated it's the cpu |
| [08:12:00] | mchou: | true. But its more likely a bad mobo or cards. |
| [08:12:00] | riksta: | dang |
| [08:13:00] | riksta: | it'd be crazy if it's the cards |
| [08:13:00] | riksta: | jus cuz of the fact i have two, but it's always a possibility |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | cards meaning PCI routing. |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | probably ESD damage. |
| [08:14:00] | mchou: | from you messing with the HW with no protection. |
| [08:14:00] | riksta: | i can't think of how that could have happened |
| [08:14:00] | riksta: | i never messed with it before all this was happening |
| [08:14:00] | mchou: | easy. static build up. |
| [08:14:00] | riksta: | i know what it means dude |
| [08:14:00] | riksta: | i can't see it though |
| [08:15:00] | riksta: | i've never had that before in all the years i've been ripping pcs to bits |
| [08:15:00] | riksta: | and for it to screw two cards |
| [08:15:00] | riksta: | just don't seem feasable |
| [08:15:00] | mchou: | well, you wanna actually find the problem or sit with your fingers up yer ass? :) |
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| [08:15:00] | riksta: | yeah i know |
| [08:15:00] | riksta: | i appreciate your suggestions i really do |
| [08:16:00] | riksta: | but some of them just don't fit |
| [08:16:00] | riksta: | i'll still obviously try them |
| [08:16:00] | riksta: | but i aint feelin stuff like ESD :) |
| [08:18:00] | riksta: | ok so in summary...what would be the things you would check |
| [08:19:00] | mchou: | stick the same cpu in via mobo. If no err then problem lies elsewhere other than cpu. |
| [08:19:00] | mchou: | most likely mobo. |
| [08:20:00] | riksta: | ok, well rather it be the mobo than the cpu |
| [08:20:00] | riksta: | cheaper |
| [08:20:00] | riksta: | if it's mobo, what would you replace it with |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | just get a cheap via mobo for $45 that probably around 12# in UK. |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | that's. |
| [08:23:00] | mchou: | KT600 is can run FSB 400 |
| [08:23:00] | mchou: | that's around $45 here. |
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| [08:23:00] | riksta: | ?33 here |
| [08:23:00] | mchou: | should work all right. |
| [08:24:00] | riksta: | via :S |
| [08:24:00] | mchou: | what other choices you got? SIS?? |
| [08:24:00] | mchou: | hehe. |
| [08:24:00] | riksta: | nforce3? |
| [08:25:00] | mchou: | I dont think there are nforce3 socket A mobo's. |
| [08:25:00] | riksta: | ah |
| [08:25:00] | mchou: | which is what the nforce2 is. |
| [08:25:00] | riksta: | ah |
| [08:25:00] | riksta: | bleh i'm at a loss |
| [08:25:00] | riksta: | i think it could be the mobo because when i had my dvb-t card in the other day |
| [08:26:00] | riksta: | it was also goraning about irq's in dmesg |
| [08:26:00] | mchou: | anyway, if you feel that way re nforce2, why would you want nforce3? lol. |
| [08:26:00] | riksta: | well i was saying i had previous problems with nforce2 |
| [08:26:00] | riksta: | they are all since resolved in the later kernels |
| [08:26:00] | riksta: | but i had a mare with it previously |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | yeah, you have more of a nightmare now, cause it sounds like it really is broken this time. (kernel has nothing to do w/it) |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | hehe. |
| [08:27:00] | riksta: | yeah |
| [08:27:00] | riksta: | definitely |
| [08:27:00] | riksta: | i might go for something similar then |
| [08:27:00] | riksta: | maybe by MSI |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | god no. |
| [08:27:00] | riksta: | no? |
| [08:28:00] | mchou: | MSI is the shits. |
| [08:28:00] | riksta: | ohh |
| [08:28:00] | riksta: | who are better |
| [08:28:00] | mchou: | ASUS at least was a decent choice. |
| [08:28:00] | riksta: | i get confused |
| [08:28:00] | riksta: | "is the shit" means good? "is the shits" means bad? |
| [08:28:00] | mchou: | bad. |
| [08:28:00] | riksta: | too much yank terminology |
| [08:28:00] | riksta: | :) |
| [08:30:00] | riksta: | i might have to ask my flatmate if i can rip his pc apart |
| [08:30:00] | mchou: | at this point I dont see why you wanna spend $100 for nforce2 m/b. |
| [08:30:00] | riksta: | i don't really |
| [08:30:00] | riksta: | i aint spending anything |
| [08:30:00] | mchou: | might as wll upgrade to a64. |
| [08:30:00] | riksta: | im gonna test |
| [08:31:00] | riksta: | yeah |
| [08:31:00] | riksta: | well my flatmate has an athlon xp mobo |
| [08:31:00] | riksta: | so ill take his (god thats gonna be a PITA getting him to agree to that) |
| [08:31:00] | riksta: | and test it with all my kit |
| [08:31:00] | mchou: | dont rip his apart just yet. |
| [08:31:00] | mchou: | stick knoppix in and see what ERZR is. |
| [08:32:00] | mchou: | ERR* |
| [08:32:00] | riksta: | errr. i'm on knoppix |
| [08:32:00] | riksta: | shall i got back into my distro and see what err is |
| [08:32:00] | mchou: | no, I'm saying stick knoppix in his machine w/o ripping it apart. |
| [08:32:00] | riksta: | ah |
| [08:32:00] | riksta: | ok |
| [08:32:00] | riksta: | with my card |
| [08:32:00] | mchou: | no, foget the card. |
| [08:33:00] | mchou: | forget the card. |
| [08:33:00] | riksta: | um ok |
| [08:33:00] | mchou: | card aint the problem. |
| [08:33:00] | riksta: | ok m8 |
| [08:33:00] | mchou: | at least not bttv card. |
| [08:33:00] | riksta: | ok so try knoppix in his box |
| [08:33:00] | riksta: | see erro |
| [08:33:00] | riksta: | if its low................ |
| [08:34:00] | mchou: | mean you can go ahead and plug CPU in. |
| [08:34:00] | mchou: | yours. |
| [08:34:00] | riksta: | sorry lemme get that clear |
| [08:34:00] | riksta: | plug his cpu in mine |
| [08:34:00] | riksta: | ? |
| [08:35:00] | mchou: | no, plug your CPU in his box. |
| [08:35:00] | riksta: | or my cpu in his |
| [08:35:00] | riksta: | ahh yeah ok |
| [08:35:00] | mchou: | see if you have low err. If not, CPU is likely dying. |
| [08:35:00] | mchou: | If it is low err, then likely your mobo cards. |
| [08:36:00] | riksta: | mobo cards, what u mean by that |
| [08:36:00] | mchou: | mb or cards. |
| [08:36:00] | riksta: | ok |
| [08:36:00] | riksta: | i think i shud just reboot knoppix in this box with no bttv card |
| [08:36:00] | riksta: | and see what ERR is |
| [08:37:00] | mchou: | yeah, you should do that too. |
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| [08:37:00] | riksta: | incase that card is bumping it up |
| [08:37:00] | riksta: | ok brb mate, thanks |
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| [08:41:00] | knoppix: | well, ERR = 118 but it hasnt moved since i started x |
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| [08:42:00] | mchou: | evven 118 is not good. |
| [08:42:00] | riksta: | but why should i actually have 118! i just sshd into a few of my other boxes and they have 0 |
| [08:42:00] | riksta: | :s |
| [08:42:00] | riksta: | yeah too right |
| [08:43:00] | riksta: | i have a box up like nearly 1 year |
| [08:43:00] | riksta: | no errors |
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| [08:51:00] | mchou: | riksta: I want you to reboot with nolapic kernel parameter. |
| [08:54:00] | marmoset: | apic and acpi are my enemys |
| [08:54:00] | marmoset: | er |
| [08:54:00] | marmoset: | enemies |
| [08:54:00] | tuxristo: | fyi, 0.18 was just posted |
| [08:54:00] | marmoset: | I reverted to 2.4 and it was much much better :) |
| [08:55:00] | mchou: | wow, nice. |
| [08:57:00] | riksta: | cool |
| [08:57:00] | riksta: | mchou, thanks for all your time |
| [08:58:00] | riksta: | i'm gonna go and do someth other stuff now – to de-stress |
| [08:58:00] | agent_sx: | ? |
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| [09:09:00] | riksta: | hey mchou i just booted back into my own distro, and now i've got 0 ERRs |
| [09:09:00] | riksta: | (without bttv card) |
| [09:10:00] | mchou: | that's cause knoppix has local apic active. |
| [09:10:00] | riksta: | ah....hm |
| [09:10:00] | riksta: | how, it's disabled in bios |
| [09:11:00] | mchou: | kernel dont look at bios :) |
| [09:11:00] | riksta: | oh really |
| [09:11:00] | riksta: | i never knew that |
| [09:11:00] | mchou: | anyway, it's pretty clear to me you need a new mobo. |
| [09:12:00] | riksta: | guess so |
| [09:12:00] | riksta: | tbh |
| [09:12:00] | riksta: | i might just go out and buy an a64 and mobo without even testing the crap , because i just don't want the hassle |
| [09:12:00] | mchou: | ERR like that means bad HW karma. |
| [09:12:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [09:13:00] | mchou: | heh, but you gonna have to test a64 :) |
| [09:13:00] | riksta: | yeah |
| [09:13:00] | riksta: | plus |
| [09:13:00] | mchou: | cure is worde than the disease. |
| [09:13:00] | riksta: | i hear of many problems compiling shit with a64 |
| [09:13:00] | riksta: | so thats another prob :) |
| [09:13:00] | mchou: | worse* |
| [09:13:00] | riksta: | more stress! |
| [09:14:00] | mchou: | just go get the cheapie via mobo and be done with it. |
| [09:14:00] | riksta: | nah man because its still £35 |
| [09:14:00] | mchou: | no recompiles, no need to even write anything on HDD really. |
| [09:15:00] | mchou: | hell, 35# is like a meal here. find that underneath your couch. |
| [09:15:00] | riksta: | i'm a student |
| [09:15:00] | riksta: | :) |
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| [09:16:00] | mchou: | even more reason. A64 will easily set you back $500 instead of $45 :) |
| [09:16:00] | riksta: | if im gonna spend some cash i might as well spend it on somethin better |
| [09:16:00] | riksta: | a64 will be 500 bux? |
| [09:16:00] | riksta: | more like $200 |
| [09:16:00] | mchou: | CPU+memory+mobo. |
| [09:16:00] | riksta: | er £ |
| [09:16:00] | mchou: | ==$500 |
| [09:16:00] | riksta: | oh shit you need new mem? |
| [09:16:00] | riksta: | bleh |
| [09:17:00] | riksta: | sod that :) |
| [09:17:00] | mchou: | shit, that's the least of it. memory is cheap. 1GB<$100. |
| [09:17:00] | riksta: | yeah but once you add it all up |
| [09:17:00] | riksta: | ure right :) |
| [09:18:00] | mchou: | what speed is your current memory? |
| [09:19:00] | riksta: | i'm not even sure i think its 3200 |
| [09:19:00] | riksta: | ddr 333 |
| [09:19:00] | riksta: | is there a way to tell in linux |
| [09:20:00] | mchou: | nope. |
| [09:20:00] | mchou: | ddr 400 for a64 if you want performance :) |
| [09:20:00] | mchou: | and stability. |
| [09:21:00] | riksta: | yeah |
| [09:21:00] | riksta: | screw that |
| [09:21:00] | mchou: | so ddr 333 wont cut it, unless you run with lower fsb. |
| [09:21:00] | riksta: | yeah, i'll leave all that for now |
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| [09:23:00] | Agrajag-: | hey uhh someone update the topic :) |
| [09:24:00] | mchou: | Agrajag-: you upgrade yet? |
| [09:24:00] | Agrajag-: | compiling now |
| [09:24:00] | mchou: | yeah, I suppose I'll do that too :) |
| [09:24:00] | Agrajag-: | heh |
| [09:25:00] | mchou: | hat compiling myth, takes an eon. |
| [09:25:00] | mchou: | hate* |
| [09:25:00] | mchou: | take longer than a kernel compile. |
| [09:27:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah :/ |
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| [09:28:00] | Agrajag-: | any idea what opengl vsync will do for me? |
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| [09:28:00] | mchou: | syncs the frames to your refresh rate. |
| [09:28:00] | Agrajag-: | guess it's a good idea then eh |
| [09:28:00] | mchou: | not necessarily. :) |
| [09:29:00] | Agrajag-: | oh well.. sounds good :P |
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| [10:13:00] | muxx: | hello |
| [10:14:00] | muxx: | I have a question obout non-standad mythtv installation |
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| [10:17:00] | muxx: | in my configuration, both backend and frontend will be running on one machine, and the MySQL server — on another. the question is whether I can transfer xmltv to the second machine as well |
| [10:28:00] | AndyCap: | muxx: I'm far from an expert on this, but as long as the .mythtv/mysql.txt points to the right machine I don't see that it matters. I could be wrong. |
| [10:28:00] | AndyCap: | muxx: or what do you mean transfer xmltv? |
| [10:29:00] | riksta: | muxx: can you not just copy the .xmltv directory to the mysql host |
| [10:29:00] | riksta: | and the mythfilldatabase |
| [10:29:00] | riksta: | actually i dunno about that |
| [10:29:00] | the-FoX: | does anyone have experiences with epia mainboards ? like epia sp 1300 or epia eden esp ? does it work for mythbackend and frontend ? |
| [10:33:00] | AndyCap: | the-FoX: the code will run if thats what you mean. afaik you'll probably need hardware for encoding and decoding. |
| [10:33:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> I mean have xmltv running on the same machine with MySQL (not frontrend/backend machine !)~ |
| [10:35:00] | muxx: | [MySQL server] <------network------> [MythTV box with TV tuner etc] |
| [10:36:00] | muxx: | basically I am trying to move as much stuff as possible from MythTV box, because it hasn't got a lot of RAM. |
| [10:36:00] | AndyCap: | not sure why you'd want to do that, but you need to have mythfilldatabase on the mysql server, I do not know how much work that takes |
| [10:36:00] | AndyCap: | muxx: why not move the whole backend, tuner card and all? |
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| [10:36:00] | muxx: | not possible |
| [10:36:00] | phillip37: | gday everybody |
| [10:37:00] | phillip37: | does anyone know how to mythtv 0.18 onto ubuntu at all |
| [10:37:00] | AndyCap: | muxx: but you only run xmltv once a day? |
| [10:37:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> I have a home server which will run MySQL but won;t accept TV capture card |
| [10:37:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> true. may be not worth it after all |
| [10:37:00] | AndyCap: | muxx: sounds like a solvable problem. I thought you didn't have cable where the server is or something. |
| [10:38:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> no, it runs BSD. and I am very reluctant to change it and plug capture card there. 8) |
| [10:39:00] | AndyCap: | hehe, you're out of luck with bsd |
| [10:39:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> when it comes to USB DVB tuners, you are right 8) |
| [10:40:00] | AndyCap: | pretty much any tuner with mythtv I thought. |
| [10:40:00] | AndyCap: | but I may be wrong. |
| [10:40:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> dunno. in any case, if I was going to have a dedicated MythTV backend, I would have a separate machine for it |
| [10:41:00] | the-FoX: | @AndyCap: yes: i need a dvb-t card and the mpeg decoder is on board ..right ? anyone tested performance ? |
| [10:41:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> ok, xmltv on xbox then. 8) |
| [10:41:00] | AndyCap: | ah, freebsd supports pvr250. |
| [10:42:00] | AndyCap: | and some crazy person is porting mythtv to freebsd. |
| [10:42:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> what is pvr250 ? |
| [10:42:00] | AndyCap: | muxx: hauppauge tuner with mpeg2 codec in hardware. |
| [10:42:00] | AndyCap: | wintv pvr-250 is the proper name. |
| [10:42:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> well, why crazy ? |
| [10:43:00] | AndyCap: | muxx: because I take cheap shots at freebsd. ;-) |
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| [10:43:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> I knew that. 8) |
| [10:43:00] | AndyCap: | the-FoX: depends on the card. |
| [10:44:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> ok, thanks yous for the help ! |
| [10:44:00] | AndyCap: | good luck with it. :) |
| [10:45:00] | AndyCap: | muxx: http://mythtv.son.org/tiki-index.php the port btw. |
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| [10:46:00] | muxx: | AndyCap> yeah, I spend the whole day yesterday building mythtv on xbox. gnu c++ compiler seems to stall the whole machine when building on 64M of RAM 8) |
| [10:52:00] | the-FoX: | @AndyCap: what card for example ? |
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| [11:29:00] | AndyCap: | the-FoX: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_devices_DVB-T |
| [11:30:00] | AndyCap: | seems there is only one dvb-t card with hardware mpeg decoding. |
| [11:32:00] | the-FoX: | i thought the epia mainboards got already an harware mpeg decoder |
| [11:33:00] | AndyCap: | the-FoX: good point. :) |
| [11:34:00] | the-FoX: | :) mmh.. maybe i'll try creating a passive cooled system with the epia sp board if i got some money for that :-) |
| [11:34:00] | the-FoX: | http://www.viaembedded.com/product/epia_sp_sp . . . rboardId=261 |
| [11:35:00] | AndyCap: | somebody has gone there before it seems http://www.pvrguide.no-ip.com/bbs/lofiversion . . . p?t4658.html |
| [11:38:00] | the-FoX: | cool... so i can start reading and planning :-) |
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| [12:21:00] | muxx: | guys, how do I configure mythtv to use remote sql server ? |
| [12:24:00] | Scorpi: | edit mysql.txt |
| [12:26:00] | muxx: | I don't seem to have this file anywhere... |
| [12:28:00] | muxx: | found it ! |
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| [12:38:00] | muxx: | strange. server is listening on port 3306. mythtv-setup cannot connect to it... |
| [12:45:00] | muxx: | got it now. missing priveleges in DB |
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| [12:56:00] | muxx: | now I am having a funny problem. when I run mythtv-setup, it wants me to run mythfilldatabase. when I run mythfilldatabase, it says that "There are no channel sources defined, did you run the setup program? |
| [12:57:00] | muxx: | how do I setup channel sources if setup rogram refuses to work ? |
| [12:57:00] | Batty_2: | Hey everyone. |
| [12:57:00] | muxx: | hi |
| [12:58:00] | Batty_2: | I'm looking for opinions on a dedicated mythbox. Which OS? And any reasoning/review for the choice. |
| [12:58:00] | Batty_2: | Hardware Athlon 800mhz, 100 gig hdd, 384 SDRAM, PVR 350. |
| [12:59:00] | Batty_2: | Should I go KnoppMyth? |
| [13:00:00] | Scorpi: | muxx: just skip mythfilldatabase, define a channel source and run it later |
| [13:01:00] | Batty_2: | BRB. |
| [13:02:00] | muxx: | Scorpi> how do I do that ? mythtv-setu just exits |
| [13:04:00] | muxx: | Scorpi> ah, it looks like I am not running backend |
| [13:06:00] | Tommck_: | Batty_2 – 800MHz? Guess you're not going for HD? One (maybe two) low-def cards? |
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| [13:07:00] | Batty_2: | I do have a better PC but I can't seem to get it working right on Gentoo 64. |
| [13:09:00] | Batty_2: | Tommck_, Basically I have no clue what I'm doing. But I'll do some more reading I guess. My errors are not documented, or I have yet to find them elsewhere. |
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| [13:11:00] | muxx: | where is the setup program for backend ? |
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| [13:23:00] | ikaro: | guess :> |
| [13:23:00] | muxx: | I am in a loop. how do I leave it ? |
| [13:24:00] | ikaro: | you start the backend, and run the mythtv-setup |
| [13:24:00] | Tommck_: | muxx – umm... "break;" ? |
| [13:24:00] | muxx: | backend diesn't start |
| [13:24:00] | ikaro: | check the syslog |
| [13:24:00] | muxx: | 2005-04–15 13:24:58.899 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [13:24:00] | muxx: | No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. |
| [13:25:00] | muxx: | Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page |
| [13:25:00] | muxx: | of the general settings. |
| [13:25:00] | ikaro: | muxx, run the setup and check the ip. |
| [13:26:00] | muxx: | once again, when I run setup, it has only twoscreens |
| [13:26:00] | ikaro: | did you load the ivtv module ? |
| [13:26:00] | muxx: | one is asking whether I wantto delete capture card configuration |
| [13:27:00] | muxx: | the second is asking whethre I want to delete channel information |
| [13:27:00] | ikaro: | muxx, which distro are you using, ill find you a guide for it. |
| [13:27:00] | muxx: | then it just exits, asking for mythfilldatabase |
| [13:27:00] | ikaro: | muxx, say no to both questions, if you already configured the card, and that will take you to page 2 |
| [13:27:00] | muxx: | I don;t think I need ivtv module |
| [13:27:00] | Tommck_: | muxx – it always tells you to run mythfilldatabase when you're done with setup |
| [13:27:00] | muxx: | I never configured the acrd |
| [13:28:00] | Tommck_: | the problem you're having is that the setup program is bailing out on you for some reason |
| [13:28:00] | muxx: | I never configured the channels |
| [13:28:00] | Tommck_: | I don't know why, but that's what is happening |
| [13:28:00] | Tommck_: | ignore mythfilldatabase until setup runs properly |
| [13:28:00] | muxx: | hmmm... can I reset the settings from mysql command prompt ? |
| [13:29:00] | Tommck_: | muxx – what settings? |
| [13:29:00] | muxx: | all mythtv settings |
| [13:29:00] | muxx: | to start everything from scratch |
| [13:30:00] | Tommck_: | muxx – have you tried deleting the card configurations? |
| [13:30:00] | Tommck_: | if I were to start everything from scratch, I would delete the database and restart setup |
| [13:30:00] | muxx: | yes. after these wo screens setup exits |
| [13:30:00] | muxx: | it also complains about missing themes |
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| [13:31:00] | Tommck_: | ahh... you know... you really need to talk about ALL THE ERRORS you get |
| [13:31:00] | ikaro: | muxx, go to /usr/share/mythtv/themes/ and copy the default theme to the missing theme name |
| [13:31:00] | Tommck_: | did you compile this from source? |
| [13:31:00] | muxx: | sorry, I thought it doesnt matter |
| [13:31:00] | muxx: | yep |
| [13:32:00] | Tommck_: | muxx – if you don't know the product, how do you know what errors are important or not? |
| [13:32:00] | the-FoX: | does anyone know a dual dvb-t card with two tuners on one pci card ? |
| [13:32:00] | muxx: | sorry, I would think that themes are more a cosmetic thing |
| [13:33:00] | Tommck_: | muxx – that might be true of a 1.0 version of something... but when you're dealing with a 0.17 version, the position of the moon could be important |
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| [13:34:00] | muxx: | I have a themes subdirectory in my --prefix |
| [13:35:00] | Tommck_: | and are there themes there? |
| [13:35:00] | muxx: | \/usr/local/mythtv/share/mythtv/themes/blue — there are many PNGs and XMLs |
| [13:37:00] | Tommck_: | it seems that "/usr/local/mythtv/share/mythtv/themes" would be a better prefix... |
| [13:37:00] | Tommck_: | I don't know the code, but I assume that it's looking for directories _under_ that directory for themes |
| [13:37:00] | AndyCap: | muxx: umm, you have gotten past the delte questions in mythtvsetup right? |
| [13:38:00] | Tommck_: | AndyCap – he hasn't |
| [13:38:00] | muxx: | well, what I did is configure ... --prefix /usr/local/mythtv |
| [13:38:00] | Tommck_: | oh.. ok |
| [13:38:00] | AndyCap: | muxx: try pressing Ctrl-Enter instead of enter. |
| [13:38:00] | muxx: | then make and make insta;; |
| [13:38:00] | Tommck_: | muxx – what about qmake mythtv.pro? |
| [13:39:00] | muxx: | yeah, I did it. otherwise it won;t find the Makefiles |
| [13:39:00] | Tommck_: | right |
| [13:39:00] | muxx: | Ctrl-Enter is trhe same |
| [13:39:00] | Tommck_: | what theme does it say is missing? |
| [13:40:00] | muxx: | live@xbox:~$ /usr/local/mythtv/bin/mythtv-setup --geometry 640x480 |
| [13:40:00] | muxx: | ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/include/qt3/qvaluelist.h (373) |
| [13:40:00] | muxx: | 2005-04–15 13:40:23.573 Overriding GUI, width=640, height=480 at 0,0 |
| [13:40:00] | muxx: | 2005-04–15 13:40:23.595 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [13:40:00] | muxx: | Could not find theme: blue |
| [13:40:00] | muxx: | 2005-04–15 13:40:26.063 Switching to square mode (blue) |
| [13:40:00] | muxx: | Could not find theme: |
| [13:40:00] | muxx: | 2005-04–15 13:40:28.427 Joystick disabled. |
| [13:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hrm, 1 day before I head to Belgium for aweek. do I dare upgrade to .18 or wait til I'm back |
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| [13:42:00] | Infernall_: | hey guys, im trying to determine if the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR USB2 is a good capture card for cable tv |
| [13:43:00] | Infernall_: | right now i am returning an ati tv wonder VE, as it lacks the nice features like hardware encoding and image filters |
| [13:43:00] | Infernall_: | Basically, i need to find the best possible capture card for analog cable tv for a large outdoor display :) |
| [13:44:00] | Infernall_: | has anyone tried the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR USB? It has hardware encoding, so im hoping that it will clean the images up |
| [13:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | Can't say I know someone who has used that device for sure. Though I have seen many ask about it |
| [13:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | I saw 1 or 2 report success, but they were around long enough to find out how well it worked |
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| [13:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | were not I mean :) |
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| [13:47:00] | muxx: | Tommck_> any ideas ? 8( |
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| [13:58:00] | Infernall_: | thanks |
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| [14:15:00] | laga: | yay, 0.18. |
| [14:15:00] | laga: | Beirdo: you need to edit the topic ;) |
| [14:15:00] | laga: | Infernall_: umm. |
| [14:16:00] | laga: | Infernall_: i found some information regarding the pvr2 usb. check either the ML archive at gossamer or mythtvtalk.com |
| [14:16:00] | Hondo: | has anyone got .18 running |
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| [14:16:00] | laga: | not yet. |
| [14:16:00] | ikaro: | yeh |
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| [14:16:00] | laga: | but i'll compile it soon. |
| [14:17:00] | ikaro: | works fine. |
| [14:17:00] | ikaro: | gentoo ( amd64) |
| [14:17:00] | laga: | when i've installed my new kernel, the latest und most unstable ;) alsa and the nvidia driver. |
| [14:17:00] | Hondo: | any problems |
| [14:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm scared to upgrade since I'm flying out for a week tomorrow and don't want to change missing anything, even if I can remotely login in from outside :) |
| [14:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | s/change/chance/ |
| [14:18:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: going to belgium? |
| [14:18:00] | ikaro: | if it works, dont upgrade. |
| [14:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Yup, heading out tomorrow afternoon |
| [14:18:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: cool. |
| [14:18:00] | ikaro: | wait some more weeks until the worst gets fixed. |
| [14:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | ikaro: I want to upgrade to deal with afrontend issue I'm having, but the backend is rock solid. |
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| [14:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | nah, I'll upgrade when I get back. I just don't wanna leave the GF with nothing while I'm gone if it crashes 5 minutes after I go |
| [14:19:00] | Hondo: | got a ring buffer problem with HD hope it solves |
| [14:21:00] | Hondo: | have it compileing now |
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| [14:23:00] | FairWtns: | Oh .18 sweetness. |
| [14:23:00] | ** FairWtns goes to check it out... ** | |
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| [14:26:00] | FairWtns: | ikaro:You've seen a gentoo ebuild? |
| [14:26:00] | ikaro: | make one ;> |
| [14:26:00] | FairWtns: | Hehe. |
| [14:27:00] | FairWtns: | I'll wait for Cardoe to package 'em up. |
| [14:27:00] | FairWtns: | Still haven't got that damn mislabeld remote to work. |
| [14:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | mislabed remote ? |
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| [14:29:00] | FairWtns: | Yeah, it's a Media Center remote that is supposedly supported, but the vendor changed the internals w/o changing any kind of model # or anything, so it's one of those 'there's a driver if you've got the *right* one, which you can't tell until you try it' kind of things. |
| [14:29:00] | FairWtns: | I've had it working once with a driver I found on the lirc m/l, but for some reason after recompiling said driver, it no longer works. |
| [14:32:00] | ** FairWtns goes to turn that system on to do some more testing on it. ** | |
| [14:35:00] | FairWtns: | Oh crap I forgot to sync before I checked for new versions. |
| [14:37:00] | pyrodex: | So with .18 we only need mythtv, mythplugins, myththemes, and nuvexport if we use it now... |
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| [14:41:00] | muxx: | q# |
| [14:41:00] | muxx: | q |
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| [14:44:00] | ikaro: | fairwtns, gime a sec .. |
| [14:45:00] | ikaro: | fairwtns, ikaro.homepage.dk/media-tv.tar.bz2 |
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| [14:50:00] | FairWtns: | Ikaro:That gives me a new emerge message... |
| [14:50:00] | FairWtns: | !!! Your current profile is deprecated and not supported anymore. |
| [14:50:00] | FairWtns: | !!! Please upgrade to the following profile if possible: |
| [14:50:00] | FairWtns: | default-linux/x86/2005.0 |
| [14:51:00] | FairWtns: | I will read the docs to see what this is all about. |
| [14:53:00] | ikaro: | oh .. |
| [14:53:00] | ikaro: | im running amd64 |
| [14:53:00] | ikaro: | :P |
| [14:53:00] | ikaro: | oh the profile |
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| [15:02:00] | FairWtns: | It's good |
| [15:03:00] | FairWtns: | Apparently 2004 is no longer a no go. :) |
| [15:03:00] | FairWtns: | ikaro:What about all the themes and such though? |
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| [15:09:00] | therx: | i'm planning on setting up a home cinema thing (prob. with mythtv) but i'd like to check a few things... I'm gonna be using a 600mhz PIII so was reckoning on using a card with hardware encoding. Are there any cards which support 2 tuners (i.e. record and watch different things at the same time)? Also are there any cards that have digital decoders (particularly for Freeview in UK)? thx for any advice |
| [15:09:00] | AndyCap: | silly question, but have anyone used mythtv with an usb dvd? |
| [15:10:00] | AndyCap: | therx: hauppauge wintv pvr-500 has 2 analog tuners, but driver support is not perfect yet afaik. |
| [15:10:00] | therx: | what about freeview? |
| [15:11:00] | AndyCap: | therx: if freeview is DVB-T unencrypted then you can get a card for it. |
| [15:11:00] | ikaro: | fairwtns, themes ? |
| [15:12:00] | FairWtns: | ikaro:Yeah, like the other packages in x11-themes (most notably mythtv-themes) and the media-plugins/ packages (mythdvd,mythvideo etc) |
| [15:12:00] | ikaro: | what about them ? |
| [15:13:00] | carl: | i'm a noob working on tv-out issue with a GeF4 MX440. I have tv-out working.. i see my desktop on the tv, but it doesn't mirror everything I'm doing on the CRT. Is this right? |
| [15:13:00] | FairWtns: | Well, I know myth doesn't like mis-versionmatched plugins/themes. So do you have updated ebuilds for those also? Or should I just wait and stop bothering you. :) |
| [15:14:00] | ikaro: | heh |
| [15:15:00] | ikaro: | fairwtns, just "upgrade" the ebuilds you have with the new versions and copy them to your local portage dir. |
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| [15:16:00] | ikaro: | did I lost you ?` |
| [15:16:00] | FairWtns: | I'm looking into the mythdvd ebuild now to see how much it depends on the version number. |
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| [15:19:00] | FairWtns: | Looks like it's as simple as copying media-plugins/mythwhatever-.17 mythwhatever.18 |
| [15:19:00] | ikaro: | ive removed the patching of a patch |
| [15:19:00] | ikaro: | was failing, so instead of fixing, i removed it. |
| [15:19:00] | FairWtns: | Which one? |
| [15:20:00] | ikaro: | qt-dsp something |
| [15:20:00] | FairWtns: | Don't use any dsp stuff so I imagine that's no big deal for me either. |
| [15:20:00] | ikaro: | let me get ya the file name |
| [15:20:00] | ikaro: | mythtv-0.17-qt334-dst-fix.patch |
| [15:21:00] | FairWtns: | You removed it after the ebuild you sent me? |
| [15:21:00] | ikaro: | no |
| [15:21:00] | FairWtns: | Ah. |
| [15:21:00] | ikaro: | the ebuild you got, has it removed. |
| [15:21:00] | ikaro: | commented actually. |
| [15:22:00] | FairWtns: | I think the plugin structure has changed though. I.e. the update on the web says the plugins are now bundled together, and the ebuild (fetch anyway) can't find mythdvd-0.18. |
| [15:22:00] | ikaro: | i dont have any plugins |
| [15:22:00] | ikaro: | didnt tested. |
| [15:23:00] | monrad: | all the modules ebuild have to be redone |
| [15:23:00] | FairWtns: | I'll look into how these are fetched...course I don't know how myth will deal with the new structure. And of course any decision I make there will likely be different from the devs and cause problems after emerge sync (when the ebuilds are formally updated). |
| [15:24:00] | FairWtns: | Dangit Cardoe. Where are you when I need you. :) |
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| [15:29:00] | FairWtns: | Yeah, looks like there'll have to be a media-plugins/mythplugins-.18.ebuild, which has a PROVIDES clause (I think that's the name) for all the plugins. Basically one big huge ebuild for all the plugins. Dunno why Isaac decided to bundle them all together though. Guess we'll have to have like USE=-mythdvd if we don't want individual plugs. |
| [15:31:00] | monrad: | and he also spilt out some of the themes |
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| [15:35:00] | FairWtns: | I think they're the same ones that got split out on .17. |
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| [15:36:00] | pyrodex: | anyone else notice that .18 ./configure is not picking up LIRC? |
| [15:36:00] | monrad: | "The new 'myththemes' package contains some of the themes that used to be distributed in the main download (Titivillus, Minimalist-wide, Iulius). I've split these out to cut down on the size of the main package a bit" |
| [15:36:00] | defaultro: | mine does |
| [15:36:00] | ** FairWtns goes to get some coffee and look into his own lirc problems. ** | |
| [15:36:00] | defaultro: | im currently running make |
| [15:37:00] | pyrodex: | hmmm i have lirc, lirc-lib,lirc-lib-devel installed... |
| [15:37:00] | FairWtns: | monrad:Yeah, I *think* it's been like that since the last release. He just updated the actual package. |
| [15:37:00] | monrad: | i am pretty sure Titivillus was in there in the last release |
| [15:38:00] | defaultro: | here is a snippet from make: -DUSE_LIRC |
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| [15:38:00] | defaultro: | monrad, download themes |
| [15:38:00] | defaultro: | it;s separate now |
| [15:38:00] | defaultro: | you didnt read :) |
| [15:38:00] | monrad: | yeah i know |
| [15:39:00] | defaultro: | The new 'myththemes' package contains some of the themes that used to be distributed in the main download (Titivillus, Minimalist-wide, Iulius). I've split these out to cut down on the size of the main package a bit. |
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| [15:42:00] | ** FairWtns just waits for the new ebuild to see how we'll handle the new mythplugins w/portage. ** | |
| [15:44:00] | defaultro: | btw, i want firewire but not now, i noticed that it's disable after I ran configure. Is it because I don't have the libraries? |
| [15:44:00] | monrad: | FairWtns, i dont think its to hard to do it, other packages do it the same way |
| [15:45:00] | FairWtns: | monrad:It doesn't look overly difficult, but whatever I do to the ebuilds now will be lost on subsequent --sync's so I might as well just wait. My delivery date on my new system isn't for a week or two anyways. |
| [15:46:00] | defaultro: | btw guys, where can I find the list of keyboard mappings and its action? |
| [15:46:00] | defaultro: | coz im reprogramming my lirc |
| [15:47:00] | laga: | defaultro: keys.txt |
| [15:48:00] | defaultro: | bam, thanks :) |
| [15:48:00] | defaultro: | what's up buddy? |
| [15:48:00] | monrad: | i would just like the pvr-350 and amd64 fix in there :) |
| [15:51:00] | FairWtns: | defaultro:Also in mythweb |
| [15:51:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [15:51:00] | defaultro: | im brain dead today, i think i saw that yesterday :) |
| [15:51:00] | defaultro: | the last button |
| [15:51:00] | laga: | defaultro: nothing ;) |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | defaultro: compiling 0.18 on my 700 mhz box... ;) |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | and with you? |
| [15:52:00] | defaultro: | likewise |
| [15:52:00] | defaultro: | make is still running |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [15:52:00] | FairWtns: | One of these days I'm going to look into cross-compilation so I can compile on the faster box for the slower ones. |
| [15:52:00] | defaultro: | at the same time, finishing an internal business training |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | FairWtns: distcc? |
| [15:53:00] | defaultro: | FairWtn, NFS? |
| [15:53:00] | AranC23: | distcc is too easy to set up... even if you have to compile a different version of gcc to make it go |
| [15:53:00] | FairWtns: | laga:True, there's that too. defaultro:That doesn't take different architecures into account (AMD/Intel) |
| [15:53:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [15:53:00] | AranC23: | hmm... you just need to specify the compiler options differently |
| [15:54:00] | AranC23: | gcc on amd is the same as gcc on intel... as long as you get the -mcpu or -march correct |
| [15:54:00] | AranC23: | amd64 might be a wrinkle though |
| [15:54:00] | ** defaultro badly wishes that he could compile sources if he migrates back to FC3 x86_64 :( ** | |
| [15:55:00] | defaultro: | im currently only runnin x86 |
| [15:55:00] | FairWtns: | I'm just waiting. That's what my PSP and MG:A! is for. :) |
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| [15:55:00] | defaultro: | but has someone really gotten it to work? |
| [15:55:00] | AranC23: | I have an xbox which makes a terrible build box, I built mythtv on it using distcc to make all the other machines do the real work. It compiled just fine iirc. |
| [15:56:00] | defaultro: | W00T, make is finished |
| [15:56:00] | laga: | defaultro: hehe. lucky guy. |
| [15:57:00] | defaultro: | validation: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1158497 Apr 15 09:59 /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend |
| [15:57:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [15:57:00] | AranC23: | everyone's too impatient to wait for the packages? :) |
| [15:57:00] | laga: | packages suck. ;) |
| [15:58:00] | laga: | i wish i could remember if i was using atrpms or DYI mythtv on my production machine. |
| [15:58:00] | AranC23: | DYI should have it in /usr/local/bin and atrpms should bin /usr/bin I would think |
| [15:58:00] | laga: | sounds good to me. thank you. |
| [15:58:00] | defaultro: | mythplugins is cool |
| [15:59:00] | defaultro: | we don't have to do it one by one |
| [15:59:00] | defaultro: | Aran, you are correct :) |
| [15:59:00] | AranC23: | they didn't get updated to use ccache and distcc did they? that would be cool... last I checked I don't think it was |
| [15:59:00] | laga: | i wonder if someone worked on directfb since 0.16. |
| [16:00:00] | defaultro: | i've always wondered what "use SDL for the synaesthesia output" is, anyone? |
| [16:00:00] | ikaro: | the ml its active |
| [16:00:00] | defaultro: | it's for mythmusic |
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| [16:03:00] | Tommck: | dammit.. I'm logged into IRC twice... anyone know how to stop that? |
| [16:03:00] | defaultro: | hi Tommck, what's up? |
| [16:04:00] | jetsaredim: | anyone know the difference between wintv pvr 250mce and 250mce 975? |
| [16:04:00] | defaultro: | it will go away |
| [16:04:00] | Tommck: | hey defaultro |
| [16:04:00] | defaultro: | hey, do you have comcast? |
| [16:04:00] | defaultro: | or just OTA |
| [16:04:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – started messing with mythmusic (had to hard-code an inlude file's path to make it compile) |
| [16:04:00] | Tommck: | I'm OTA |
| [16:04:00] | Tommck: | for HD |
| [16:04:00] | defaultro: | cool |
| [16:04:00] | Tommck: | and DirecTV |
| [16:04:00] | defaultro: | for analog right |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | yeah |
| [16:05:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | but, only one visualization works and it just seg faulted on me :) |
| [16:05:00] | defaultro: | it segfaulted to me always before |
| [16:05:00] | defaultro: | so i only used one |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | one what? |
| [16:05:00] | defaultro: | the single red line :) |
| [16:05:00] | defaultro: | visualizer |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | the only one I can get to work is synaesthesia |
| [16:06:00] | Tommck: | the rest don't show up |
| [16:06:00] | Tommck: | and Synaesthesia only shows up if I go full-screen with the visualization |
| [16:06:00] | defaultro: | it shows to me but after a while, it closes myth |
| [16:06:00] | defaultro: | but that was way back feb 23 cvs |
| [16:06:00] | defaultro: | im gonna try the newest |
| [16:07:00] | Tommck: | this is relatively recent...like a couple of weeks old |
| [16:07:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [16:07:00] | Gumby: | nuvexport is asking for an audio bitrate... any idea which I should choose? |
| [16:07:00] | zamboni: | Tommck what sort of card/stb do you use for OTA HDTV? |
| [16:08:00] | Tommck: | zamboni – 2 pcHDTV 3000s |
| [16:08:00] | defaultro: | i really don't know how much was change with the 2 days ago cvs and the .18 release |
| [16:08:00] | FairWtns: | Tommck:if the viz's are segfaulting, are you sure you're opengl/mmx stuff is all correct? |
| [16:08:00] | Tommck: | 0.18 is not out, is it? |
| [16:08:00] | defaultro: | it is |
| [16:08:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [16:08:00] | Tommck: | FairWtns – no idea :) |
| [16:08:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo!! Time to change the topic! :) |
| [16:08:00] | FairWtns: | Tommck:What kind of processor? |
| [16:08:00] | Tommck: | FairWtns – P4 3.2 GHz |
| [16:09:00] | ** zamboni loaths the idea od an upgrade ** | |
| [16:09:00] | Tommck: | one of them tells me I'm missing a lib |
| [16:09:00] | FairWtns: | Do you compile everything w/mmx sse? |
| [16:09:00] | ChanServ sets mode +o Beirdo | |
| [16:09:00] | defaultro: | FairWtn, when you said opengl/mmx stufs is all correct, which part are you talking about? |
| [16:09:00] | Beirdo changes topic to '.:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/ .:. VOIP conference available at IAX2/guest@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net/3100 .:.' | |
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| [16:09:00] | Tommck: | Faithful – nope... I don't think my kernel has the SSE extensions... It's on my list of things to do :) |
| [16:09:00] | Beirdo: | I will dub it stable even though it's just released :) |
| [16:09:00] | Beirdo sets mode -o Beirdo | |
| [16:09:00] | defaultro: | Beirdo, is like a tcpdump tool |
| [16:09:00] | FairWtns: | defaultro:All of my segfaults (especially with anything that might be processor intensive) is improper mmx/sse opengl configs. |
| [16:09:00] | Tommck: | wow... Beirdo at my beck and call :) :D |
| [16:09:00] | quink: | anyone using gentoo and try making an ebuild yet? |
| [16:10:00] | Tommck: | FairWtns – ah |
| [16:10:00] | jetsaredim: | quink: it already is an ebuild |
| [16:10:00] | defaultro: | Fairwtn, how do i check mine? |
| [16:10:00] | quink: | really? |
| [16:10:00] | quink: | i just synced maybe i am not seein git |
| [16:10:00] | FairWtns: | quink: ikaro made me an ebuild for myth, but not the plugins/themes. |
| [16:10:00] | jetsaredim: | quink: try "emerge -pv mythtv" |
| [16:10:00] | quink: | i'll sync again |
| [16:10:00] | ikaro: | there is mythtv-themes-0.17 |
| [16:11:00] | FairWtns: | Yeah, the themes I could just copy, the plugins I'm waiting on. |
| [16:11:00] | quink: | yeah it still shows .17. gonna fix that up |
| [16:11:00] | quink: | i didn't notice any major 'noticeable' changes....am i right on that assumption? its mostly behind the scenes stuff? |
| [16:11:00] | FairWtns: | defaultro: cat /proc/cpuinfo to see what your kernel supports, make sure you have those enabled in the kernel |
| [16:12:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – I'm not sure I understand the philosophy of making releases that we don't know are stable... Is some reasoning posted anywhere? |
| [16:12:00] | jetsaredim: | quink: i see .17-r1 |
| [16:12:00] | defaultro: | how do i check if it's enabled in the kernel? |
| [16:12:00] | quink: | jetsaredim: that isn't .18 :P |
| [16:12:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – I don't know.. but ./configure says I don't have SSE enabled |
| [16:12:00] | quink: | i thought i put that in my first question. ops. |
| [16:12:00] | jetsaredim: | quink: my bad |
| [16:12:00] | Beirdo: | Tommck: 0.18 is just a snapshot of CVS at a point in time. and CVS has been pretty stable |
| [16:13:00] | zamboni: | defaultro tru cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| [16:13:00] | defaultro: | Tommck, i was asking Fairwtn :) |
| [16:13:00] | quink: | i guess i'll do the usual rename .17 to .18 and make an ebuild |
| [16:13:00] | FairWtns: | Tommck/defaultro: Check 'less /proc/config.gz' and check for mmx/sse |
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| [16:13:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – I know, but what's the difference then? Why give it a name? |
| [16:13:00] | defaultro: | ok |
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| [16:13:00] | Beirdo: | for the people who don't use CVS |
| [16:13:00] | defaultro: | FairWtn, im on FC3 though |
| [16:13:00] | zamboni: | yeah or if youuve built in the config into the kernel |
| [16:13:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – good point :) |
| [16:13:00] | FairWtns: | If you have your kernel setup to have the config available there. If not, you'd have to check your last /usr/src/linux/.config |
| [16:13:00] | defaultro: | i don't have that config.gz file |
| [16:14:00] | defaultro: | oh, iirc, i disabled sse during install |
| [16:14:00] | FairWtns: | defaultro:Have you ever compiled your own kernel on that system? |
| [16:14:00] | zamboni: | what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| [16:14:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [16:14:00] | defaultro: | im using a compiled one |
| [16:14:00] | defaultro: | what do you want me to look at .config |
| [16:14:00] | quink: | the docs don't specificly say, but there is no need to re-run mythsetup if i upgrade? |
| [16:14:00] | ** Tommck thinks it's getting time to compile his own kernel :) ** | |
| [16:15:00] | FairWtns: | defaultro:Check for MMX. |
| [16:15:00] | FairWtns: | Forget what SSE is called in config. |
| [16:15:00] | jetsaredim: | quink: if your going to make a new ebuild – use the .17-r1 version since its marked unstable for x86 |
| [16:15:00] | Tommck: | damn... # CONFIG_M586MMX is not set |
| [16:15:00] | Tommck: | # CONFIG_M686 is not set |
| [16:15:00] | Tommck: | # CONFIG_MPENTIUMII is not set |
| [16:15:00] | Tommck: | # CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII is not set |
| [16:15:00] | Tommck: | # CONFIG_MPENTIUMM is not set |
| [16:15:00] | Tommck: | # CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 is not set |
| [16:15:00] | Tommck: | crap... didn't mean to paste so many lines... sorry |
| [16:16:00] | FairWtns: | Doesn't look like you have MMX enabled. |
| [16:16:00] | quink: | jetsaredim: yep |
| [16:16:00] | defaultro: | CONFIG_M586MMX is not set |
| [16:16:00] | Tommck: | FairWtns – yeah.. I know |
| [16:16:00] | Tommck: | I wish I didn't have to build my own kernel... but guess I'll give it a whirl |
| [16:16:00] | defaultro: | my CPU is Athlon 64 |
| [16:16:00] | quink: | just for your info, in case you want to also, just copy .17-r1 to mythtv-0.18.ebuild and run ebuild mythtv-0.18.ebuild digest then emerge like normal |
| [16:17:00] | quink: | testing if it works now |
| [16:17:00] | zamboni: | so yeah thats why you want to lok at what the proc actually says |
| [16:17:00] | defaultro: | bam, mythplugins installed with no issues :D |
| [16:17:00] | FairWtns: | Hrm. But I don't know if you have a superior cpu set (I.e. CONFIG_PENTIUM4) it will auto-enable mmx. |
| [16:17:00] | Beirdo: | quink: if you are going to make a new ebuild, talk to Cardoe first, he may have already done it |
| [16:17:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [16:17:00] | zamboni: | thats right |
| [16:17:00] | Tommck: | wow... it's been a while since I built my own kernel |
| [16:17:00] | quink: | ah |
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| [16:17:00] | quink: | yeah no go like that |
| [16:17:00] | ** defaultro ready to restart svc -u mythtv :) ** | |
| [16:17:00] | FairWtns: | Beirdo:Still waiting on Cardoe to show up. How dare he take a release day off. :D |
| [16:17:00] | quink: | Beirdo: who is he? |
| [16:18:00] | Beirdo: | read the info in the ebuild |
| [16:18:00] | Beirdo: | he's the Gentoo dev who's been doing the ebuilds |
| [16:18:00] | quink: | oh. |
| [16:18:00] | Beirdo: | and apparently his computer is having issues, or I'm sure he'd be here right now |
| [16:18:00] | defaultro: | do you guys use daemontools? It's awesome, i don't have to worry about mythbackend's segfaulting :) |
| [16:18:00] | quink: | hahah |
| [16:18:00] | iggy: | I don't have my cvs keys or I'd do it |
| [16:18:00] | quink: | i never had problems with the backend |
| [16:19:00] | Beirdo: | defaultro: not a chance in hell |
| [16:19:00] | quink: | its always the frontend |
| [16:19:00] | Beirdo: | I will not use anything DJB wrote |
| [16:19:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [16:19:00] | defaultro: | what's wrong if I may ask? |
| [16:19:00] | defaultro: | is it because of his licensing? |
| [16:19:00] | FairWtns: | daemontools? The old mount iso's in win thinger? |
| [16:19:00] | defaultro: | no |
| [16:19:00] | Beirdo: | DJB is a class-A asshole in my mind, and the minds of many many other people |
| [16:20:00] | defaultro: | it's kinda like a replacement for inittab |
| [16:20:00] | defaultro: | not really |
| [16:20:00] | laga: | who's DJB? |
| [16:20:00] | defaultro: | the person who wrote qmail |
| [16:20:00] | Beirdo: | the guy who wrote qmail, daemontools, etc |
| [16:20:00] | laga: | oh, ok. |
| [16:20:00] | timekllr: | defaultro: I use daemontools on all my myth boxes |
| [16:20:00] | defaultro: | bam |
| [16:20:00] | Beirdo: | ezmlm mailing list stuff... |
| [16:20:00] | Beirdo: | djbdns/tinydns |
| [16:20:00] | defaultro: | yep ;) |
| [16:20:00] | defaultro: | anyways |
| [16:20:00] | defaultro: | it's my own call |
| [16:21:00] | Beirdo: | he's a prick. But it's your life, do what you want :) |
| [16:21:00] | defaultro: | crontab is fine but i have to wait for a minute before it gets fired up again |
| [16:21:00] | defaultro: | i might be wrong |
| [16:21:00] | Tommck: | does DJB have a fill name, or is this like that ankh-looking thing that Prince was known as for a while? |
| [16:21:00] | Beirdo: | make a startup script |
| [16:21:00] | Beirdo: | David something Bernstein, I believe |
| [16:21:00] | Tommck: | cool |
| [16:21:00] | FairWtns: | Alright I gotta nap before work. Be back later. :) |
| [16:21:00] | defaultro: | Beirdo, not really about starting it up but in times of crashed |
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| [16:22:00] | Beirdo: | defaultro: no, make the startup script stay running |
| [16:22:00] | defaultro: | no, it's Dan Bernstein |
| [16:22:00] | defaultro: | are you saying suffixed it with & |
| [16:22:00] | Beirdo: | when it exits, sleep 1, start it again |
| [16:22:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [16:22:00] | defaultro: | i'll read up on that |
| [16:22:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh, Dan, right, my bad |
| [16:22:00] | Beirdo: | then run the startup script with & |
| [16:23:00] | Beirdo: | or use daemontools if you want :) |
| [16:23:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [16:23:00] | defaultro: | ok, starting and testing the .18 version :) brb |
| [16:23:00] | Beirdo: | but don't expect any DJB-related help from me :) |
| [16:24:00] | laga: | and why do you think the's a "prick"? |
| [16:25:00] | Beirdo: | heh, history has shown it |
| [16:27:00] | laga: | umm, ok |
| [16:27:00] | AranC23: | heh, I use software written by pricks all the time... :) |
| [16:27:00] | Beirdo: | you can look online for people's dealings with him about qmail, I'm sure it's all over the place |
| [16:28:00] | iggy: | I think isaac is a prick, but I still use mythtv |
| [16:28:00] | AranC23: | :would like it to be known that was not refering to isaac, I think he's funny |
| [16:29:00] | AranC23: | I love his answers to questions on mythtv-users, like the one about some other project and themes |
| [16:29:00] | laga: | i guess some of the arrogance comes from dealing with stupid users all the time ;) |
| [16:30:00] | jetsaredim: | quink: did you run ebuild digest on that new ebuild file? |
| [16:31:00] | quink: | yeah |
| [16:31:00] | quink: | no go |
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| [16:31:00] | quink: | * Failed Patch: mythtv-0.17-qt334-dst-fix.patch ! |
| [16:32:00] | ikaro: | heh |
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| [16:32:00] | quink: | and i have to get to work |
| [16:32:00] | jetsaredim: | quink: just comment out that line from the ebuild file |
| [16:32:00] | jetsaredim: | "epatch ${FILESDIR}/mythtv-0.17-qt334-dst-fix.patch" |
| [16:33:00] | jetsaredim: | a patch for .17 shouldn't work for .18 code |
| [16:33:00] | quink: | bleh |
| [16:33:00] | quink: | yeah |
| [16:34:00] | quink: | good going seems to be happy now |
| [16:34:00] | jetsaredim: | i would imagine so |
| [16:34:00] | laga: | IIRC, the issue with qt 3.3.4 and the timezones has been fixed in CVS which means that it's already in the release. |
| [16:35:00] | CyberKnet: | man that wa close. |
| [16:35:00] | CyberKnet: | I nearly asked a question (stupid question) without reading my email first. |
| [16:35:00] | CyberKnet: | yikes. |
| [16:37:00] | quink: | oh btw random word of advice. any of you using awstats i'd highly suggest updating to current. last few days i have seen people hitting my webserver trying to run a buffer overflow thingy on it |
| [16:38:00] | defaultro: | .18 seems very stable |
| [16:38:00] | defaultro: | <Beirdo> but don't expect any DJB-related help from me :) |
| [16:38:00] | defaultro: | hey Beirdo :) |
| [16:39:00] | laga: | seems like 0.18 is still compiling |
| [16:39:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [16:39:00] | snowsy: | my 0.18 wasn't happy with the database after the schema updates |
| [16:39:00] | laga: | i swear that it took 3 hours to recompile the stock debian 2.6.8 kernel on this machine. |
| [16:39:00] | defaultro: | I'm ok with troubleshooting DJB, i've been using it for 4 years now |
| [16:40:00] | defaultro: | so how long has elapsed? |
| [16:42:00] | quink: | is there a way to auto-restart the front end if it segfaults? |
| [16:42:00] | defaultro: | several ways |
| [16:42:00] | Tommck: | quink – run it in a loop |
| [16:42:00] | quink: | i mean i have thought of a few ways but is there a standard 'good' way? |
| [16:42:00] | defaultro: | like what Beirdo said, sleep 1 |
| [16:42:00] | defaultro: | me, im driving it with daemontools however, only backend |
| [16:42:00] | quink: | sleep 1? |
| [16:43:00] | AranC23: | while true; do mythbackend ; sleep 5 ; done |
| [16:43:00] | defaultro: | my mythfrontend is started using irexec |
| [16:43:00] | snowsy: | any idea why i would get this DB error in my logs after a successful 0.18 upgrade? http://adsl.statics.org/mythbackend.log |
| [16:43:00] | quink: | irexec eh? nice |
| [16:43:00] | defaultro: | ;) |
| [16:43:00] | quink: | it'd be nice if there was a way to kill and restart it |
| [16:43:00] | AranC23: | I usually run mythfrontend in a loop in the .xinitrc file |
| [16:43:00] | defaultro: | my 5 year old boy knows what to press if it happens |
| [16:44:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [16:44:00] | AranC23: | in case it bombs |
| [16:44:00] | defaultro: | that's what i have |
| [16:44:00] | defaultro: | you want to see the script |
| [16:44:00] | quink: | sometimes it just flat out locks up |
| [16:44:00] | quink: | sure |
| [16:44:00] | quink: | cut paste it in a pm? |
| [16:44:00] | AranC23: | with irexec you could have it do ; pkill mythfrontend ; mythfrontend... I should totally set that up |
| [16:44:00] | quink: | right now i just have two scripts i manually run |
| [16:44:00] | defaultro: | pasting it |
| [16:44:00] | quink: | thanks |
| [16:45:00] | defaultro: | http://www.pastebin.com/271633 |
| [16:45:00] | defaultro: | that can kill and start it :) |
| [16:46:00] | quink: | i thought you'd have a combination of key preses on the remote to do it |
| [16:46:00] | defaultro: | http://www.pastebin.com/271637 |
| [16:47:00] | defaultro: | well, it's my own hack |
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| [16:47:00] | defaultro: | works for me |
| [16:47:00] | quink: | thats a good idea. opwer button |
| [16:47:00] | quink: | i think i'll just adjust my myth_start.sh script to run in a loop |
| [16:48:00] | quink: | and add this to my config too |
| [16:48:00] | quink: | does it override stuff if myth locks up? i mean they are completely independant? |
| [16:49:00] | defaultro: | i had mythbackend before but when i switched to daemontools, i never used the other button for powering it down |
| [16:49:00] | quink: | bah i gotta get running to work. |
| [16:49:00] | defaultro: | cool |
| [16:49:00] | quink: | right now i just use a DISPLAY=:0.0 nohup startx — -dpi 100& |
| [16:49:00] | quink: | in my script |
| [16:49:00] | defaultro: | cool |
| [16:49:00] | quink: | i think i'll play with it and add the loop in there |
| [16:49:00] | quink: | anyways thanks |
| [16:49:00] | defaultro: | np |
| [16:50:00] | defaultro: | Aran |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck: | Should I compile V4L into my kernel for Myth? |
| [16:50:00] | defaultro: | ? |
| [16:50:00] | defaultro: | yes |
| [16:50:00] | defaultro: | it's needed |
| [16:50:00] | defaultro: | Aran? |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – I meant versus using it as a Module |
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| [16:50:00] | defaultro: | let me check mine |
| [16:51:00] | zamboni: | modules are the moderne way |
| [16:51:00] | Tommck: | zamboni – yeah, but I thought it made things a little slower... doesn't matter? |
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| [16:51:00] | zamboni: | slower? maybe |
| [16:51:00] | zamboni: | yu using debor gentooo? |
| [16:51:00] | zamboni: | debian |
| [16:51:00] | zamboni: | ?? |
| [16:51:00] | Tommck: | zamboni – SUSE |
| [16:51:00] | defaultro: | mine is M |
| [16:52:00] | zamboni: | and its a module now? |
| [16:52:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [16:52:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – cool |
| [16:52:00] | Tommck: | zamboni – yeah |
| [16:52:00] | defaultro: | im using a custom kernel |
| [16:52:00] | defaultro: | not atrpms |
| [16:52:00] | defaultro: | or what |
| [16:52:00] | defaultro: | im thinking of upgrading to 2.6.12 |
| [16:53:00] | defaultro: | but my system is stable at 2.6.11 |
| [16:53:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [16:53:00] | defaultro: | or should i just concentrate on finishing my kitchen tiles :) |
| [16:53:00] | ** zamboni is still using 2.6.12-rc1 ** | |
| [16:53:00] | zamboni: | ceramic or vynil? |
| [16:53:00] | ** defaultro decided to continue kitchen ** | |
| [16:53:00] | defaultro: | ceramic |
| [16:53:00] | zamboni: | ahh |
| [16:53:00] | defaultro: | look at my 90% |
| [16:53:00] | zamboni: | nice work |
| [16:54:00] | zamboni: | floor or counter? |
| [16:54:00] | defaultro: | http://restricted.dyndns.org/kitchen1.jpg |
| [16:54:00] | defaultro: | floor |
| [16:54:00] | defaultro: | some areas doesnt have grouts yet |
| [16:54:00] | defaultro: | wife is asking to change countertops too |
| [16:55:00] | zamboni: | cool |
| [16:55:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – don't leave those eggs on the counter... you're gonna get sick |
| [16:55:00] | zamboni: | work work for domestic bliss |
| [16:55:00] | defaultro: | wife is also asking to change ref, dishwashwer and oven |
| [16:55:00] | zamboni: | yeah |
| [16:55:00] | laga: | nice living room |
| [16:55:00] | zamboni: | she loves you yeah yeah yeah |
| [16:56:00] | defaultro: | thanks :) |
| [16:56:00] | defaultro: | egg? |
| [16:56:00] | defaultro: | are you kidding? |
| [16:56:00] | zamboni: | salmonella |
| [16:56:00] | zamboni: | (sp) |
| [16:56:00] | zamboni: | deadly |
| [16:56:00] | defaultro: | oh no |
| [16:56:00] | defaultro: | thanks for that |
| [16:56:00] | defaultro: | what sickness? |
| [16:56:00] | defaultro: | where should it be? |
| [16:56:00] | zamboni: | the runs like youd nebver believe |
| [16:56:00] | laga: | defaultro: fridge? |
| [16:56:00] | defaultro: | we just bought it |
| [16:56:00] | zamboni: | eggs >> fridge |
| [16:56:00] | defaultro: | let me go to her now to inform her |
| [16:57:00] | defaultro: | thanks |
| [16:57:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – you're kidding, right? |
| [16:57:00] | laga: | o_O |
| [16:57:00] | zamboni: | Is your insurance policy up to date? |
| [16:57:00] | ** laga snickers and goes out for a smoke ** | |
| [16:58:00] | zamboni: | a little oT but: anyone here played with DVDStyler & co |
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| [16:58:00] | Tommck: | zamboni – bo |
| [16:58:00] | Tommck: | no |
| [16:58:00] | defaultro: | no |
| [16:58:00] | zamboni: | just downloaded it |
| [16:58:00] | defaultro: | i asked her and it was emptied already the day she bought it |
| [16:59:00] | defaultro: | i was the one who dont know it |
| [16:59:00] | defaultro: | lol |
| [16:59:00] | defaultro: | wifes are the gurus of kitchen |
| [16:59:00] | defaultro: | hehehe |
| [16:59:00] | zamboni: | amen bro |
| [16:59:00] | defaultro: | i won't be able to hack her kitchen |
| [16:59:00] | zamboni: | caio! |
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| [17:00:00] | defaultro: | what do you think guys about the ceramic tiles I built? |
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| [17:01:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – not bad... wanna do some landscaping at my house? |
| [17:01:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [17:01:00] | defaultro: | she is also asking me to build deck too |
| [17:01:00] | Tommck: | it's either you, or I pay some guys $75,000 to do it :) |
| [17:02:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – is she doing anything? |
| [17:02:00] | oneo: | hey guys – do you know which program had the bug in it that caused the "total length" for playback on the pvr-350 to jump around? |
| [17:02:00] | defaultro: | just housemaker |
| [17:02:00] | defaultro: | homemaker |
| [17:02:00] | defaultro: | im not good in landscaping |
| [17:02:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – have kids? |
| [17:02:00] | laga: | 0.18 is still compiling. |
| [17:02:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [17:02:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – ahh.. ok.. I |
| [17:02:00] | pyrodex: | the moving all the plugins into one folder thing is nice... |
| [17:02:00] | ** laga starts a campaign: "donate better hardware to laga" ** | |
| [17:03:00] | defaultro: | i love the plugins |
| [17:03:00] | ** Tommck snickers at laga for not having better hardware :) ** | |
| [17:03:00] | defaultro: | it's way cool to compile it now |
| [17:03:00] | Tommck: | laga – what are you running now? |
| [17:03:00] | defaultro: | Tommck, have you been to Orlando Florida? |
| [17:04:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – yes |
| [17:04:00] | defaultro: | any tips when buying theme park tickets, should i but it online or just buy it there? |
| [17:04:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – oh.. don't know |
| [17:04:00] | defaultro: | s/but/buy |
| [17:05:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – how old are your kids? |
| [17:05:00] | defaultro: | oldest is 10 |
| [17:05:00] | defaultro: | youngest is 4 |
| [17:05:00] | Tommck: | how many do you have? |
| [17:05:00] | snowsy: | anybody getting SQL errors in their mythbackend.log after the update regarding 'recordmatch.manualid' ? |
| [17:05:00] | defaultro: | 4 |
| [17:05:00] | defaultro: | been very busy |
| [17:05:00] | Tommck: | geez...have you figured out what causes that yet? |
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| [17:06:00] | defaultro: | causes? |
| [17:06:00] | Tommck: | snowsy – nope... but I haven't updated anything lately |
| [17:06:00] | xris: | laga: mind if I steal your campaign idea? ;) |
| [17:06:00] | snowsy: | meant 0.18 hehe |
| [17:06:00] | snowsy: | it updated the database schemas ok |
| [17:06:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – you keep having children.. Have you figured out how to stop that from happening yet? :) |
| [17:06:00] | laga: | xris: hehe. |
| [17:06:00] | laga: | xris: it's GPL ;) |
| [17:06:00] | Tommck: | laga – what HW do you have? |
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| [17:07:00] | laga: | Tommck: a 700 mhz athlon on my test machine, a 2.4 ghz celeron in the pundit (production), an athlon xp 1800+ in my workstation, a pentium m 1.4 ghz in the laptop...it's just that i'm too lazy for distcc ;) |
| [17:07:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [17:08:00] | ** laga going to waste some money on an mp3 portable next..and on bigger hard drives... ** | |
| [17:08:00] | laga: | oh, and a dvd burner... |
| [17:08:00] | laga: | so many cool things, so little money ;) |
| [17:09:00] | Tommck: | laga – I have the same problem... just on a bigger scale... |
| [17:09:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [17:09:00] | laga: | it's never enough |
| [17:09:00] | Tommck: | the landscape designer estimated our job at US$75–80,000 :( |
| [17:09:00] | laga: | especially because dont get money. ;) |
| [17:10:00] | Tommck: | I nearly shit myself |
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| [17:10:00] | laga: | Tommck: landscape designer? the guy makes your garden pretty or what? |
| [17:10:00] | Tommck: | laga – yeah... he designs the "master plan" of what your house will look like eventually |
| [17:11:00] | laga: | ah |
| [17:11:00] | ipso: | I just downloaded MythTV 0.18, and when I run the configure script it doesn't say LIRC is enabled. Does this mean Native LIRC mode? I currently using Native LIRC mode in 0.17 fine. |
| [17:11:00] | laga: | well, 80 grand is a lot of money. |
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| [17:11:00] | Tommck: | laga – I know... I could have a BMW 6-series convertible for that! LOL |
| [17:11:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [17:12:00] | defaultro: | they're ripping you off |
| [17:12:00] | laga: | do some work yourself |
| [17:12:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – for what? |
| [17:12:00] | defaultro: | for the 80 grand |
| [17:12:00] | defaultro: | coz i heard from an officemate that she did hers for $7000 |
| [17:12:00] | Tommck: | laga – my pasty-white desk-jockey allergic to all plants ass will never do that work :) |
| [17:12:00] | defaultro: | but i don't know how small/big it was |
| [17:12:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – there's no way it was this elaborate :) |
| [17:12:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [17:12:00] | laga: | Tommck: polygamy could help solving your problem... |
| [17:13:00] | Tommck: | laga – polygamy? get lots of wives and put them to work? |
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| [17:13:00] | laga: | Tommck: yep! ;) |
| [17:13:00] | ** defaultro is very thankful to the video thumbnail in watch recordings, 5 year old kid is able to determine what to watch :) ** | |
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| [17:14:00] | laga: | i usually only see commercials there. gotta increase the offset |
| [17:14:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [17:15:00] | defaultro: | btw, someone told me that comflagging isn't really perfect yet |
| [17:15:00] | defaultro: | i mean, at least, the way is suppose to work |
| [17:15:00] | laga: | commflagging will never be perfect the way it works now. |
| [17:15:00] | laga: | defaultro: aren't 4 children, umm, annoying? |
| [17:15:00] | defaultro: | but i may have a different understanding of skip commercials |
| [17:15:00] | defaultro: | no |
| [17:16:00] | laga: | sorry, i just can't imagine that. blame it on my low age. ;) |
| [17:16:00] | defaultro: | im still young too |
| [17:16:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [17:16:00] | laga: | how old? ;) |
| [17:16:00] | defaultro: | 33 |
| [17:16:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [17:16:00] | Tommck: | laga – other people's children are annoying... your children are angels! :) |
| [17:16:00] | defaultro: | sometimes, i wish i was single |
| [17:16:00] | defaultro: | hehehe |
| [17:16:00] | defaultro: | i see some very beautiful women |
| [17:16:00] | laga: | Tommck: yeah. it's just cute when they cry in the airplane, or spit their meals on other people... |
| [17:17:00] | laga: | defaultro: hehe ;) |
| [17:17:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – yeah... every time :) |
| [17:17:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [17:17:00] | Tommck: | laga – I think children should have to be shipped in boxes rather than be in airplanes :) |
| [17:17:00] | defaultro: | ok, back to com skipping, corrrect me here |
| [17:17:00] | laga: | but then, you realize that you're an overweight geek and you're glad that you're married ;) |
| [17:17:00] | ** Tommck is not overweight ** | |
| [17:17:00] | laga: | Tommck: hehe. not going to comment on that. |
| [17:17:00] | defaultro: | i had an impression that when I turn it on in watch recording, it will automatically skip |
| [17:17:00] | Tommck: | unless you believe that asinine BMI |
| [17:18:00] | laga: | neither am i. (well, probably 10kg..)..i'm just playing with cliches ;) |
| [17:18:00] | laga: | Tommck: yeah, BMI is a liar. |
| [17:18:00] | Tommck: | The Body Mass Index is the dumbest thing ever invented. |
| [17:18:00] | laga: | defaultro: i have never played with it, sorry |
| [17:18:00] | Tommck: | it doesn't take into account frame or musculature |
| [17:18:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – me neither |
| [17:18:00] | defaultro: | np |
| [17:18:00] | Tommck: | laga – are you in the US? |
| [17:20:00] | laga: | germany. |
| [17:20:00] | laga: | why are you asking? did you notice the metric system? ;) |
| [17:20:00] | defaultro: | laga, american or german? |
| [17:21:00] | Tommck: | ahh.. well, there's an American Football player named Ray Lewis. He is considered "obese" by the BMI... and he has about 4–5% body fat |
| [17:21:00] | laga: | defaultro: german. |
| [17:21:00] | Tommck: | he's all muscle |
| [17:21:00] | Tommck: | it's just stupid |
| [17:21:00] | defaultro: | you have great english grammar |
| [17:21:00] | laga: | defaultro: i blame it on my teacher. ;) |
| [17:22:00] | laga: | but thank you. |
| [17:22:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [17:22:00] | ** laga needs to read up on conditional clauses, though ;) ** | |
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| [17:22:00] | oneo: | has anyone here heard of that playback bug where the time duration jumps around when watching video using the pvr-350? |
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| [17:23:00] | Tommck: | oneo – don't have a 350 |
| [17:23:00] | laga: | defaultro: anyways, you should have been really surprised if i was actually an american and my grammar was great ;) |
| [17:24:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [17:25:00] | laga: | aaaaah |
| [17:25:00] | laga: | i have constructions next to my house all the time |
| [17:25:00] | laga: | the low vibrations are giving me a headache |
| [17:25:00] | Tommck: | laga- what time is it there? |
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| [17:26:00] | defaultro: | you call those infrasonic sounds |
| [17:26:00] | laga: | Tommck: 6:26pm |
| [17:26:00] | laga: | defaultro: umm, right. thanks, buddy. |
| [17:27:00] | Tommck: | laga – don't they have to stop in the evenings? |
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| [17:28:00] | laga: | defaultro: the construction on the street was even worse. nothing beats getting waked up by a jackhammer when you're hungover as hell. |
| [17:28:00] | laga: | Tommck: they're supposed to, yep. |
| [17:28:00] | defaultro: | oh no |
| [17:28:00] | ** laga looks for his panzerfaust. ** | |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | muhahah |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | panzer his ass... |
| [17:29:00] | laga: | yep, hehe |
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| [17:29:00] | laga: | and my xmms won't start |
| [17:29:00] | defaultro: | get some rest first while it's still compiling |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | I haven't played ET for a while |
| [17:29:00] | laga: | defaultro: no, it's done |
| [17:29:00] | laga: | yay |
| [17:29:00] | defaultro: | bam |
| [17:30:00] | laga: | heh |
| [17:30:00] | laga: | i wish :/ |
| [17:30:00] | defaultro: | why, it b0rk3d? |
| [17:31:00] | laga: | the panzerfaust or my xmms? ;) |
| [17:33:00] | laga: | .oO(...make install...) |
| [17:37:00] | snowsy2: | i'#m not too hot at this 0.18 |
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| [17:37:00] | snowsy2: | my 0.18s recording schedule is empty |
| [17:37:00] | snowsy2: | but everything was ok before database schema update |
| [17:37:00] | AranC23: | it's got "you watch too much tv" feature, it probably removed them |
| [17:37:00] | snowsy2: | glad i kept a database backup |
| [17:37:00] | laga: | i was just going to ask.. ;) |
| [17:37:00] | snowsy2: | hehe, put me on "no tv" for 2 weeks eh |
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| [17:38:00] | snowsy2: | i suspect the SQL errors in mythbackend.log might explain it |
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| [17:38:00] | silverstone: | www.united-mails.com best PTR |
| [17:38:00] | silverstone: | www.united-mails.com best PTR |
| [17:38:00] | silverstone: | www.united-mails.com best PTR |
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| [17:39:00] | laga: | bastard |
| [17:44:00] | laga: | but he makes good cases. |
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| [17:53:00] | directhex: | ooh, 0.18. i feel i shall be lazy & wait for debian packages |
| [17:59:00] | kramman: | can someone tell me what I need to RTFM next. I have my pvr-500 installed. kernel modules load successfully. when I do cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg it records, but records tatic. I tried setting the channel with ptune.pl, but no luck |
| [17:59:00] | kramman: | records *static*, that is |
| [18:02:00] | kramman: | any clues appreciated |
| [18:03:00] | defaultro: | btw, using xvmc, any ideas why sound stutters when menu is shown? Any ideas on how to get rid of that stuttering and few short pauses? |
| [18:04:00] | AranC23: | defaultro: wait for 0.19? it seems to be a permanent feature for me... if osd is on screen, it skips and stutters |
| [18:04:00] | defaultro: | oh, so am not the only one then |
| [18:05:00] | defaultro: | AranC23, are they aware of this issue? |
| [18:05:00] | defaultro: | and where is the issue really, xvmc library or mythtv? |
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| [18:06:00] | AranC23: | not sure... mplayer doesn't seem to have a problem displaying it's osd using xvmc, irrc... anyway I mentioned it a couple of times on the dev list and I think the guy whose working on the xvmc/xv updates is aware of ti |
| [18:07:00] | defaultro: | cool |
| [18:07:00] | defaultro: | i wish i can be a part of development too but not real good in C++ |
| [18:07:00] | defaultro: | so i can share too |
| [18:10:00] | defaultro: | just curious because i don't have pvr 150/250, how big are the files for an hour program? |
| [18:12:00] | pyrodex: | 3.7G |
| [18:12:00] | pyrodex: | thats my size for one hour of iron chef |
| [18:13:00] | AranC23: | mine are exactly 2.2/hour |
| [18:14:00] | pyrodex: | But I am also doing 720x480 size, I read cutting back on size would help size. So I was thinking 706x480 |
| [18:14:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [18:15:00] | AranC23: | I have a high quality setting that ends up being like 2.6 or 2.8/hour... I use 640x480, because that's what resolution my xbox uses to play it back... I can't really tell much difference between that and 480x480 though |
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| [18:33:00] | hadees: | defaultro, you could always learn |
| [18:33:00] | ikaro: | how do i check which firmware version im using ? |
| [18:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | firmware on what ? |
| [18:34:00] | ikaro: | pvr350 |
| [18:34:00] | ikaro: | does it makes any difference ? |
| [18:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | when you load the ivtv module it loggs it |
| [18:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | after you load the module just type dmesg and it should be there |
| [18:34:00] | ikaro: | im looking at it .. |
| [18:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | ikaro: should it would. different firmware would have different bug fixes, and other enhancements |
| [18:34:00] | mechtn: | anyone know why LiveTV works fine on my LCD |
| [18:35:00] | mechtn: | but when i try it on my TV then i get a blue screen |
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| [18:35:00] | ikaro: | greyfoxx, but it looks terribly messy |
| [18:35:00] | ikaro: | ivtv: Encoder revision: 0x02050032 |
| [18:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | Sounds like a weird XV issue. Cloning the desktop to the TV or using TV exclusively ? |
| [18:35:00] | ikaro: | ivtv: Encoder Firmware may be buggy, use version 0x02040011 |
| [18:35:00] | ikaro: | can it be that ? |
| [18:35:00] | laga: | mechtn: are you outputting to both displays at the same time? |
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| [18:36:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: some vga cards can't use Xv on both heads, you'd ahve to set the head that should use Xv in the config of X |
| [18:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | ikaro: That's for the encoder, not the decoder |
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| [18:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: I'm aware of this, hence my question of whether he was cloning it or not :) |
| [18:37:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: ;) |
| [18:37:00] | ikaro: | ivtv: Decoder revision: 0x02020023 |
| [18:37:00] | mechtn: | laga, yes maybe |
| [18:38:00] | mechtn: | my LCD says out of range whne i hookup my tv and i cant see anything on it |
| [18:47:00] | carl: | how unstable are the 0.3x ivtv drivers? Am I better off with the stable release? |
| [18:48:00] | ikaro: | alot |
| [18:48:00] | ikaro: | thats why the name. |
| [18:51:00] | carl: | i used the 0.3u release before when I mocked up the system and it ran okay. But, am doing it complete setup now. |
| [18:55:00] | marmoset: | kramman: did you get your static issue resolved? I know I had static on my pvr250 when I had the wrong tuner type specified for the module, I removed the tuner= line and it autodetected fine. |
| [18:56:00] | kramman: | marmoset: I haven't resolved it yet. I'll check that module config. thanks! |
| [18:57:00] | marmoset: | kramman: hope its an easy fix, I have a pvr500 on the way from amazon right now ;) |
| [18:57:00] | kramman: | marmoset I think I'm just too new to this yet |
| [18:58:00] | marmoset: | kramman: are you using 0.3x ivtv? I believe that's necessary for the 500 |
| [18:58:00] | kramman: | 0.3.2x is what I'm using |
| [18:58:00] | marmoset: | k |
| [18:59:00] | kramman: | I think it has to be something simple. there are so many inconsistent howtos out there it seems |
| [19:00:00] | ikaro: | hmm |
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| [19:01:00] | ikaro: | new firmware breaks everything. |
| [19:02:00] | laga: | kramman: that's what you get for using unstable software ;) |
| [19:03:00] | kramman: | :) |
| [19:03:00] | kramman: | its fun though. Its awesome how people put so much hard work into this stuff |
| [19:04:00] | laga: | yep! |
| [19:08:00] | fgouget: | I must have done stupid last week-end but I can't find what. Now when I change channels, MythTV does not change the card's frequency |
| [19:09:00] | fgouget: | I have a PVR-350 and the output of ivtvctl --get-freq=tuner=0 before and after changing channels is the same :-( |
| [19:10:00] | ProtocoLD: | i still can't get my pvr-350 to work with the tv-out |
| [19:10:00] | ProtocoLD: | recording is fine |
| [19:10:00] | ProtocoLD: | but... i haven't had much time lately to play :/ |
| [19:10:00] | fgouget: | hehe, tv out is not working either for me (freeze the computer) |
| [19:11:00] | fgouget: | so does anyone know what setting could cause mythtv to not try changing the frequency on the pvr? |
| [19:12:00] | fgouget: | or alternately, where does it get the info about which frequency to use (xmltv? that's one of the things I upgraded last week-end) |
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| [19:13:00] | ProtocoLD: | i can get the tv-out to work, but i have to manually cat the file directly to the card |
| [19:13:00] | ProtocoLD: | workds great like that |
| [19:13:00] | ProtocoLD: | though you loose ALL functionality of Myth |
| [19:14:00] | ProtocoLD: | ie: no video control |
| [19:14:00] | ProtocoLD: | once you start... you play & thats it |
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| [19:28:00] | DJ_Rican: | hello everyone... |
| [19:29:00] | DJ_Rican: | ack.. help... my mythtv box just suddenly won't show on tv once x or mythtv are loaded... I can see everything fine until the Nvidia logo and then just weird scrolls... I didn't change anything, it's been running like that for months |
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| [19:30:00] | DJ_Rican: | until now... |
| [19:30:00] | DJ_Rican: | :( |
| [19:31:00] | DJ_Rican: | i have webmin running and i can access the system like that... what can i check? |
| [19:32:00] | marmoset: | fgouget: when I had the wrong tuner type, I couldn't change the channel. It would just show channel 4 no matter what. When I tried changing the channel, it would pause for a second and then stay on 4. |
| [19:33:00] | fgouget: | I'm usig ivtv 0.2 which auto-detects the tuner and it used to work fine until last week-end so I think it's something else |
| [19:33:00] | marmoset: | OK |
| [19:34:00] | fgouget: | eh, thanks for trying anyway, I'm getting desperate: I have a show starting in 16 minutes |
| [19:34:00] | fgouget: | if I run ivtvctl I can change the frenquency manually but I don't know what to change it to |
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| [19:37:00] | mchou: | fgouget: look for frequency.cpp (or .h) in myth sources |
| [19:38:00] | mchou: | you got nothing to lose :) |
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| [19:39:00] | marmoset: | I almost need to set up openmosix or something just to deal with my encoding ;) |
| [19:40:00] | mchou: | encoding 1 stream is not parallelizable |
| [19:40:00] | fgouget: | mchou: thanks, I'm trying that... |
| [19:41:00] | mchou: | no speed up anyways..... |
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| [19:41:00] | marmoset: | mchou: yeah, I know :) my main problem is that I have an athlon 2600 that I can't use cuz it runs debian stable ;) |
| [19:42:00] | mchou: | hehe, time to dual boot or upgrade. |
| [19:42:00] | marmoset: | so it's just idle cpu being wasted, when my other 2600 and 2800 can't keep up :) |
| [19:42:00] | mchou: | pop in knoppix :) |
| [19:42:00] | marmoset: | hehe |
| [19:42:00] | mchou: | us that for encoding |
| [19:43:00] | marmoset: | yeah, but it's my main fileserver and mail |
| [19:43:00] | marmoset: | and web, and slimserver, and all that kinda stuff |
| [19:43:00] | mchou: | huh??? you use 2800 for that?? way overkill. |
| [19:43:00] | marmoset: | yeah, it is way overkill |
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| [19:44:00] | marmoset: | but what are ya gonna do ;) |
| [19:45:00] | mchou: | get a surplus p3, you'd be set. Surplus store has nice compaq p3 900+Mhz (complete systems, w/OS & SW)for $160 |
| [19:45:00] | mchou: | here. |
| [19:45:00] | marmoset: | yeah, it'll use the same power and stuff tho |
| [19:45:00] | marmoset: | I have an athlon 1ghz around I could use |
| [19:45:00] | mchou: | hell, use that, that ought to do the trick. |
| [19:46:00] | marmoset: | the thing is, I already have too many computers on all the time ;) |
| [19:46:00] | mchou: | that's yer own damn fault :) |
| [19:47:00] | marmoset: | yeah |
| [19:47:00] | marmoset: | it'd just be neat if there was an easy way to share the cpu for encoding (easier than running mythbackend) |
| [19:47:00] | mchou: | consolidation is nice though. |
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| [19:48:00] | mchou: | I've manage to consolidate 4 computers to just two now. |
| [19:48:00] | marmoset: | yeah, gonna get a couple 500s and a 4 port bt card, and combine my backend and zoneminder machines |
| [19:48:00] | mchou: | much quieter compute environment :) |
| [19:48:00] | marmoset: | yeah, although it's all out in the garage :) |
| [19:48:00] | marmoset: | really need TB disks tho |
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| [19:49:00] | mchou: | garage??? sheesh. temperature cycling will kill your comps. |
| [19:49:00] | mchou: | especially disks. |
| [19:49:00] | marmoset: | it's insulated |
| [19:49:00] | marmoset: | besides, it's got 8x250G keeping it toasty in the case ;) |
| [19:50:00] | mchou: | is the garage door insulated too? |
| [19:50:00] | marmoset: | yeah |
| [19:50:00] | mchou: | ok then. maybe not so bad. |
| [19:50:00] | marmoset: | this is seattle anyway, the temps don't change *that* much :) |
| [19:50:00] | mchou: | you'd be surprised. |
| [19:51:00] | mchou: | in portand my garage temps changed quite a bit. :) |
| [19:51:00] | mchou: | portland* |
| [19:53:00] | xris: | marmoset: you coming to the meetup on sunday? |
| [19:53:00] | marmoset: | xris: no, didn't know there was one :) |
| [19:53:00] | DJ_Rican: | anyone here with an Nvidia card using tv-out composite? would you please email or send me your XF86Config-4 file? thx |
| [19:53:00] | xris: | need a better way to notify than on the -users list. |
| [19:54:00] | mchou: | how do you compile the mythplugings w/o installing myth? |
| [19:54:00] | xris: | anyway, there's a Young Dubliners concert on sunday night at Fado Irish Pub (sodo), we're getting together beforehand for a bite to eat/chat, and then some people are staying for music. |
| [19:54:00] | xris: | email xris*forevermore*net if you're interested and I'll send you more info. |
| [19:55:00] | xris: | mchou: I don't think you can. most of them link against mythtv's shared libraries. |
| [19:55:00] | marmoset: | ok, will do, sundays are kinda bad for me tho, got a regular committment sun night :) |
| [19:55:00] | mchou: | there is no way to say link against these librries on this path??? |
| [19:55:00] | mchou: | libraries* |
| [19:56:00] | xris: | marmoset: well, this just happened that I want to go to the concert (they're one of my fav. groups) and figured it'd be as good a chance as any to get together. and maybe organize future meetups from there. |
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| [19:59:00] | xris: | mchou: no clue |
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| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | Woohoo! |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | I just found a CD that I've been looking for forever |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | NP: Tourniquet – Enveloped in Python |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | ahhhh |
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| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | Now I just need to locate my other Tourniquet CDs :) |
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| [20:10:00] | mchou: | so you guys upgraded to 0.18? |
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| [20:10:00] | DJ_Rican: | wow... .18? my box is still at .15 :) |
| [20:11:00] | mchou: | hey, if it works, no need to upgrade :) |
| [20:11:00] | DJ_Rican: | :) |
| [20:12:00] | kothog: | And I just got through fighting with my mythbox to get 0.17 in. |
| [20:13:00] | mchou: | heh, boxing with your box :) |
| [20:13:00] | mchou: | who won? :) |
| [20:16:00] | AranC23: | 0.18 represents the 10th or 11th (possibly) version of mythtv I've run ... it's like an anniversary of sorts :) |
| [20:16:00] | mchou: | wow, you've been with myth since 0.08?? |
| [20:17:00] | mchou: | man, I think my first was 0.09. |
| [20:18:00] | AranC23: | I have a 0.08 rpm on my system, but I don't know if I actually ran it... I think before my hardware arrived 0.9 had been released... thus my confusion about 10th or 11th |
| [20:18:00] | xris: | that's before my time. |
| [20:18:00] | xris: | wait, maybe I was .09. I think it was .13, though. |
| [20:19:00] | mchou: | yeah, definitely b4 my time :) |
| [20:19:00] | xris: | I know that I started looking at it around .09 |
| [20:19:00] | AranC23: | mythtv-0.8–0_12.90at.src.rpm |
| [20:19:00] | xris: | whatever it was at the end of 2003 |
| [20:19:00] | AranC23: | I guess I don't have the binary anymore... |
| [20:19:00] | mchou: | they had myth rpms back then???? |
| [20:20:00] | mchou: | hehe, I still compile myth myself. |
| [20:20:00] | AranC23: | I guess so, axel was all over it. |
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| [21:10:00] | ** xris reminds everyone to go to therainforestsite.com (and associated links) and give a few clicks for the world. ** | |
| [21:10:00] | ikaro: | i think i broke it .. |
| [21:10:00] | xris: | broke what? |
| [21:10:00] | ikaro: | reverting driver back to w doesnt work either . |
| [21:11:00] | ikaro: | ack .. |
| [21:11:00] | xris: | ivtv beta? |
| [21:11:00] | ikaro: | yep |
| [21:11:00] | ikaro: | was working fine on 0.3.(w) |
| [21:12:00] | ikaro: | then i was playing with another firmware, back and fourth, and changed to another gfx card, upgraded and downgraded some packages |
| [21:12:00] | ikaro: | and now its broken.. |
| [21:12:00] | ikaro: | its not tunning anymore |
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| [21:27:00] | muxx: | guys, I need help with schedule in MythTV |
| [21:28:00] | muxx: | some channels are "unknown" and some are displayed as numbers instead of names |
| [21:29:00] | xris: | muxx: country/method of grabbing listing? |
| [21:30:00] | muxx: | uk, uk_rt |
| [21:30:00] | muxx: | xmltv |
| [21:31:00] | xris: | can't help, then... hopefully someone from the UK will start paying attention. |
| [21:31:00] | muxx: | what is a number, following the channel name ? |
| [21:32:00] | muxx: | in my case they are 1000+ |
| [21:32:00] | ikaro: | :/ crap .. |
| [21:34:00] | xris: | muxx: well, there's "chanid" which is a myth internal id for each channel |
| [21:34:00] | muxx: | what is strange is that EPG data is there, it just doesn't match the channels. for example, BBC ONE Scotland is (unknown), but its EPG data is on 1/1036 |
| [21:34:00] | xris: | often starting 1000+ |
| [21:35:00] | stoffel: | genialer sketch zum thema raubkopien bei 'die dreisten drei' |
| [21:35:00] | stoffel: | ups, ;) |
| [21:36:00] | Beirdo: | stoffel: silly boy :) |
| [21:36:00] | laga: | Beirdo: he insulted your mom. |
| [21:37:00] | stoffel: | hehe |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | meh :) |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | I'll have to send GW Shrub after him. |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | he's not speaking English, so he must be a terrorist :) |
| [21:38:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | everybody knows that islamic Arabs all speak German |
| [21:38:00] | AranC23: | it's true I read it in "people" magazine |
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| [21:39:00] | ikaro: | why im getting only static .. this was working fine before .. and Ive reverted everything back like it was before when it was working |
| [21:39:00] | xris: | Beirdo: wtf? |
| [21:39:00] | ** xris wants to become an arab just to prove that there are white arabs. ** | |
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| [21:39:00] | Beirdo: | xris: I'm being an ass, hehe :) |
| [21:39:00] | AranC23: | ikaro: did you poweroff the machine and let it sit a bit? ivtv firmware can get horked up |
| [21:39:00] | xris: | Beirdo: of course. |
| [21:40:00] | Beirdo: | just in case other people didn't catch it :) |
| [21:40:00] | ikaro: | is there some `check`list` for things/options to check to why im getting static ? |
| [21:40:00] | muxx: | xris> weird. there is a mess in the database. I have both number/name and name/number channels |
| [21:40:00] | xris: | so am I. "Arab" is a linguistic definition, not a cultural one. Anyone who speaks Arabic is "Arab". |
| [21:40:00] | xris: | muxx: wipe it (option in mythtvsetup) and start fresh. |
| [21:40:00] | ikaro: | aranc23, yes.. i was changing grafics card in the machine. |
| [21:41:00] | muxx: | xris> will erase everything from the DB ? |
| [21:41:00] | muxx: | ^will IT |
| [21:41:00] | xris: | muxx: no. |
| [21:41:00] | xris: | when you run mythtvsetup it asks if you want to wipe channel data. |
| [21:41:00] | xris: | say yes. |
| [21:41:00] | xris: | then it'll ask if you want to wipe card data. say no. |
| [21:41:00] | AranC23: | are you sure the correct tuner got loaded? you might want to see what other tuner modules are in your kernel module directory and make sure only the one you want is in there |
| [21:41:00] | xris: | then exit it and run mythfilldatabase again |
| [21:42:00] | ikaro: | aranc23, yes im sure. |
| [21:42:00] | ** muxx is doing that xris dais ** | |
| [21:42:00] | muxx: | said even |
| [21:43:00] | ikaro: | argg i hate this. :/ |
| [21:43:00] | muxx: | what about channel scan ? how does it affect EPG ? |
| [21:43:00] | xris: | muxx: I don't know how that works with dvb stuff. |
| [21:43:00] | AranC23: | ikaro: very frustrating, but I don't have any other suggestions :) |
| [21:43:00] | muxx: | ok, I did this and no it says that "There are no channel sources defined" |
| [21:44:00] | xris: | muxx: yeah, I guess it wipes that data, too. just go back into mythtvsetup and reconfigure your data sources. |
| [21:44:00] | ikaro: | aranc23, yes .. very very very. |
| [21:45:00] | ikaro: | well eventually i get it working again, I hope, and then im done with "testing" |
| [21:45:00] | muxx: | xris> how do you guys add channels ? |
| [21:45:00] | ikaro: | its kinda hard finding someone to help with this. |
| [21:46:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, i've ran out of ideas. I'm wondering why transfering something to my FC3 via network is slow. |
| [21:46:00] | xris: | muxx: they just come down with the new listing data from zap2it. |
| [21:46:00] | xris: | dunno how it works for non-US people. |
| [21:46:00] | AranC23: | ikaro: the ivtv-devel list is usually pretty friendly |
| [21:47:00] | xris: | defaultro: bad cable? |
| [21:47:00] | AranC23: | defaultro: not enough bandwidth grease? |
| [21:47:00] | marmoset: | defaulto: what does mii-tool say about speed/duplex? |
| [21:48:00] | marmoset: | defaultro: and are there lots of errors showing in ifconfig for the interface? |
| [21:48:00] | defaultro: | ill check |
| [21:48:00] | defaultro: | i only have 2 nodes |
| [21:49:00] | defaultro: | i've connected them back to back to without the switch, performance is the same |
| [21:49:00] | defaultro: | wait, checking |
| [21:49:00] | defaultro: | [root@localhost video]# mii-tool |
| [21:49:00] | defaultro: | eth0: link ok |
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| [21:49:00] | marmoset: | heh, weak, it should say something about duplex/speed, but I guess your card must not support that |
| [21:49:00] | marmoset: | what's speed is "slow"? |
| [21:49:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [21:49:00] | defaultro: | 200kbps |
| [21:50:00] | marmoset: | er |
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| [21:50:00] | marmoset: | weird |
| [21:50:00] | defaultro: | but when i download from internet, it's fast |
| [21:50:00] | defaultro: | i've tried several computers connecting to that FC3, it's slow |
| [21:50:00] | defaultro: | but connecting other machines like to my FreeBSD, it's damn fast |
| [21:51:00] | marmoset: | I'd try swapping the nic |
| [21:51:00] | defaultro: | done that :D |
| [21:51:00] | defaultro: | tried 3 different nics |
| [21:51:00] | defaultro: | i was thinking that there was a traffic shaper enabled in FC3 |
| [21:51:00] | defaultro: | i might be wrong |
| [21:51:00] | marmoset: | could be, I dunno, never really used redhat much |
| [21:51:00] | defaultro: | tcp window size is fine |
| [21:51:00] | AranC23: | nothing like that is enabled by default, that I know of |
| [21:52:00] | defaultro: | ok |
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| [21:52:00] | AranC23: | are you writing to the FC3 system or reading from it? |
| [21:52:00] | defaultro: | writing |
| [21:52:00] | marmoset: | defaultro: is scp slow too? |
| [21:52:00] | defaultro: | but when pulling from web and writing to it, is fast |
| [21:52:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [21:52:00] | defaultro: | scp, smbd and ftp |
| [21:53:00] | defaultro: | it's really weird |
| [21:53:00] | defaultro: | let me pull from apache |
| [21:53:00] | marmoset: | you could try: mii-tool -F100basetx-FD eth0 |
| [21:53:00] | marmoset: | assuming you're 100/full |
| [21:54:00] | defaultro: | i just pulled 3mb from apache running on FC3, it took 1 second |
| [21:54:00] | defaultro: | that's fast |
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| [21:56:00] | defaultro: | [root@localhost htdocs]# mii-tool |
| [21:56:00] | defaultro: | eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok |
| [21:56:00] | defaultro: | i will try again |
| [21:57:00] | defaultro: | :( mput'ing 36 mb will take 1 hour on my 100mbs |
| [21:57:00] | defaultro: | what the |
| [21:58:00] | marmoset: | no idea, weird |
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| [21:58:00] | defaultro: | something is really shaping my traffic, lol |
| [21:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: Fast in one direction, but slow in the other ? |
| [21:58:00] | defaultro: | yeah |
| [21:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | Sounds like a duplex mismatch. Verify the duplex on both ends and on any switch in betweenm |
| [21:58:00] | defaultro: | tcp recv send are huge |
| [21:59:00] | defaultro: | how come, i've back to back them it's still like that |
| [21:59:00] | defaultro: | freebsd is also 100mbps full |
| [21:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: Even without a switch you can have duplex mismatches |
| [21:59:00] | defaultro: | yeah, that's true |
| [21:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | auto negotion is flaky quite often |
| [21:59:00] | defaultro: | but now, i just set FC3 to 100full |
| [21:59:00] | defaultro: | crc errors |
| [22:00:00] | defaultro: | i quite believe |
| [22:00:00] | defaultro: | but now, both are set to 100mbps full duplex |
| [22:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | You are seeing errors somewhere? Ifconfig's output ? |
| [22:00:00] | defaultro: | transfer rate is 200kbps |
| [22:00:00] | defaultro: | no |
| [22:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | :P"{ |
| [22:00:00] | defaultro: | i was telling that duplex mismatches shows crc errors on switche |
| [22:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | Usually it's easy to fin d them due to the large number of collisions |
| [22:01:00] | defaultro: | hmmm, something is wrong |
| [22:01:00] | defaultro: | RX packets:127419 errors:5035 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:5035 |
| [22:02:00] | defaultro: | it keeps incrementing |
| [22:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | Got another ethernet card to try ?:) |
| [22:02:00] | defaultro: | looks like the cable I built |
| [22:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or another ethernet cable |
| [22:02:00] | defaultro: | will do |
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| [22:03:00] | muxx: | xris> EPG looks fine now except some channels have no human-readable names |
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| [22:03:00] | xris: | muxx: odd |
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| [22:10:00] | muxx: | I need someone to explain how DVB scanning works |
| [22:14:00] | riksta: | #dvb |
| [22:14:00] | muxx: | I mean in MythTV |
| [22:14:00] | muxx: | I have no problems with tzap |
| [22:15:00] | riksta: | oh, what's the prob in myth |
| [22:15:00] | riksta: | does't find any chans? |
| [22:15:00] | muxx: | yes it does |
| [22:15:00] | riksta: | so what's the prob |
| [22:15:00] | muxx: | but after it finds them, there is a mess in EPG |
| [22:15:00] | riksta: | need more info |
| [22:16:00] | muxx: | easy |
| [22:16:00] | muxx: | after I do DVB scan, I go to the schedule and there are many (unknown) channels |
| [22:17:00] | riksta: | yeah you have to remove em currently, in mythsetup, or try the full scan patch posted to the list by john pullan |
| [22:17:00] | muxx: | how do I remove them ? |
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| [22:18:00] | muxx: | I tried wiping them out and then fetching schedule info using xmltv. it worked, but I have no idea how it will record them, knowing no frequencies etc |
| [22:19:00] | muxx: | it looks like channels I get in xmltv don't match with channels found in DVB scan |
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| [22:22:00] | riksta: | speak to johnp_ on #dvb when he's around, i gotta go...going to the pub |
| [22:22:00] | muxx: | riksta> have a good night out 8) thanks ! |
| [22:23:00] | riksta: | only going for a few jars |
| [22:23:00] | riksta: | gotta be at work at 8am tomos |
| [22:23:00] | riksta: | sucks |
| [22:23:00] | muxx: | riksta> aw |
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| [22:34:00] | ikaro: | anyone got a list of versions that work |
| [22:34:00] | ikaro: | which mixed versions work and what not |
| [22:35:00] | ikaro: | this is driving me nuts .. and im really getting tired of typing to much |
| [22:35:00] | ikaro: | i should had kept a log of which versions I had working .. |
| [22:36:00] | laga: | that'd involve typing |
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| [22:37:00] | ikaro: | yes, but if I had done it before starting to get tired, then i would have saved me alot of tuping |
| [22:37:00] | laga: | umm, yep. |
| [22:38:00] | ikaro: | i had the 0.3.2.w working |
| [22:38:00] | ikaro: | and tried (i) (g) and (x) |
| [22:39:00] | ikaro: | then installed (w) again and it doesnt work anymore |
| [22:39:00] | ikaro: | plus the perl packages .. |
| [22:39:00] | ikaro: | changed from 012 and 013 |
| [22:39:00] | ikaro: | upgraded to 0.18 and back to 0.17 |
| [22:40:00] | ikaro: | rebooted 100 times |
| [22:58:00] | timekllr: | hmmm, anybody know what gentoo package supplies rfftw.h ? ( it's not fftw :( ) |
| [22:59:00] | xris: | gentoo doesn't have -devel packages? |
| [23:00:00] | timekllr: | no |
| [23:00:00] | Beirdo: | isn't there an emerge command that can tell you? |
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| [23:01:00] | timekllr: | searching for fftw only gives the fftw package |
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| [23:06:00] | laga: | IIRC, gentoo installs everything. you just dont need the -devel packages. |
| [23:07:00] | kormoc: | depends |
| [23:07:00] | kormoc: | some packages are done like, kernel-headers are only the kernel headers |
| [23:07:00] | kormoc: | but most are all in one |
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| [23:08:00] | laga: | yep. |
| [23:08:00] | laga: | night. |
| [23:09:00] | kormoc: | http://www.fftw.org/fftw2_doc/fftw_6.html |
| [23:09:00] | defaultro: | network is ok now |
| [23:09:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [23:09:00] | kormoc: | "The required header files, fftw.h and rfftw.h, are located in the fftw and rfftw directories respectively; you may want to put them with the libraries, or wherever header files normally go on your system." |
| [23:09:00] | marmoset: | defaultro: new cable? |
| [23:10:00] | kormoc: | edit the ebuild files to put the header files in the right place and submit it to be included in portage |
| [23:10:00] | kormoc: | or file a bug |
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| [23:10:00] | defaultro: | nope |
| [23:10:00] | defaultro: | bad card |
| [23:10:00] | defaultro: | im now using the built-in nic |
| [23:10:00] | marmoset: | coo |
| [23:10:00] | defaultro: | i will be removing the 3com nic |
| [23:11:00] | ** marmoset has yet to find a built in nic that didn't cause problem :) ** | |
| [23:11:00] | marmoset: | although that's usually on cheap motherboards |
| [23:11:00] | defaultro: | however, since i needed to build forcedeth, i recompiled my kernel |
| [23:11:00] | marmoset: | at work the built on intel and broadcom ones are fine |
| [23:11:00] | defaultro: | it hosed my nvidia graphics driver :) |
| [23:11:00] | marmoset: | hehe |
| [23:11:00] | defaultro: | but a good time to use 7174 version :D |
| [23:11:00] | marmoset: | my nforce ethernet croak under stress |
| [23:11:00] | defaultro: | i was on 7167 |
| [23:11:00] | marmoset: | er |
| [23:11:00] | marmoset: | croaks |
| [23:12:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [23:12:00] | marmoset: | it still works, it just gets timeouts sometimes |
| [23:12:00] | defaultro: | i tried tarring over network, 36mb is almost done |
| [23:12:00] | defaultro: | took only 2 minutes |
| [23:12:00] | defaultro: | as compared to 1+ hour |
| [23:12:00] | defaultro: | lol |
| [23:13:00] | defaultro: | am installing 7174 now |
| [23:14:00] | defaultro: | W00T!!! Installation of the NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86 (version: 1.0–7174) is now complete. |
| [23:15:00] | TheAsp: | yay? |
| [23:15:00] | xris: | :) |
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| [23:16:00] | marmoset: | xris: have you ever benchmarked mencoder vs transcode/ffmpeg for xvid? |
| [23:17:00] | xris: | mencoder doesn't work for me |
| [23:17:00] | timekllr: | FYI found the fftw thing...need to install the right version of fftw (fftw-2.1.5-r1) |
| [23:18:00] | xris: | transcode is about twice as fast as ffmpeg, though |
| [23:18:00] | stoffel: | for low values of 'fast' here ;) |
| [23:18:00] | marmoset: | xris: yeah, got transcode working and it's tons faster for me as well, just curious if I ever have a hope of being able to recompress everything (I don't think I can keep up right now) |
| [23:19:00] | marmoset: | I'll mess with mencoder and see if it's any faster |
| [23:19:00] | timekllr: | defaultro : i've heard nothing but bad things about the 7xxx branch or nvidia – let me know how it works for you |
| [23:20:00] | xris: | transcode is also better quality than ffmpeg. but seems to have some serious issues with cutlists, as well as with real NUV files, gets all jumpy and unwatchable. |
| [23:20:00] | xris: | it also freaks out on some dvb files. |
| [23:20:00] | kormoc: | I had a hickup with the 7xxx version, but a reinstall of it fixed it up just fine. |
| [23:20:00] | marmoset: | timekllr: no complaints here, running 7174 for quite a while |
| [23:20:00] | marmoset: | xris: ah, cool, all pvr sources here so I haven't seen any issues |
| [23:20:00] | xris: | I hear that ffmpeg can be better quality, but it's a matter of fine-tuning things that I don't understand. |
| [23:20:00] | timekllr: | marmoset : using tv out and everything ? |
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| [23:21:00] | xris: | marmoset: I have cutlist issues even on files from my pvr-150 |
| [23:21:00] | marmoset: | timekllr: yup, dual outs, one to TV and one to monitor |
| [23:21:00] | abarbaccia: | hey all – a quick question of preference, not myth related – kde or gnome? |
| [23:21:00] | stoffel: | windowmaker! |
| [23:21:00] | kormoc: | xfce-4 |
| [23:21:00] | timekllr: | marmoset : cool beans |
| [23:21:00] | abarbaccia: | alright, between the two though |
| [23:22:00] | kormoc: | kde then |
| [23:22:00] | abarbaccia: | im debating between ubuntu or kubuntu |
| [23:22:00] | AranC23: | twm? |
| [23:23:00] | abarbaccia: | kormoc, see, i am a kde guy, but ubuntu is gnome nativly, and there is kubuntu, but i feel like its not as good as ubuntu |
| [23:24:00] | xris: | marmoset: I'm also talking about dual-pass stuff.. single pass seems great all around. |
| [23:24:00] | abarbaccia: | alrgiht guys, im gonna give gnome a shot, and if it fails, well back to the trusty K |
| [23:24:00] | abarbaccia: | thanks |
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| [23:26:00] | marmoset: | xris: hmm, I should try switching to single pass and see how well it can keep up |
| [23:26:00] | marmoset: | and what the quality difference is |
| [23:26:00] | marmoset: | I've got a dual 2ghz p4 I could bring home to help out with the encoding, but the motherboard is huge and doesn't fit in any normal cases ;) |
| [23:27:00] | xris: | marmoset: I like two pass because it gives me consistent file sizes |
| [23:27:00] | defaultro: | marmo, i got bad 3com card out and another ATI bt829 card out. Now, i have 2 additional pci slots free |
| [23:27:00] | xris: | but may have to switch to single pass just to have a usable outcome. |
| [23:29:00] | marmoset: | xris: yeah, this is just for the initial archiving. The idea is that all shows are gonna get a 320x240 archive right after recording, commercials and all. Then after I correct commericial flagging, I'll do a higher quality archive process on things I want to keep, I'll do two pass on that. |
| [23:31:00] | marmoset: | seems excessive, I know, but I hate it when people say "did you see that episode of blah blah last week.." and mythtv has already deleted it to save space :) |
| [23:31:00] | defaultro: | what did i do since my old programs are still in myth |
| [23:32:00] | defaultro: | i delete manually |
| [23:32:00] | defaultro: | i might have not set the expire |
| [23:32:00] | marmoset: | yeah, I have mine set to expire automatically |
| [23:32:00] | defaultro: | ok |
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| [23:33:00] | marmoset: | man, it's slick now that I got the mpeg2cut thing working, shows look really nice when it's a smooth fade in/fade out. |
| [23:33:00] | kormoc: | I don't expire, if I run out of space, I got so much to watch, no use in replacing it with newer stuff. |
| [23:33:00] | defaultro: | what's mpeg2cut? |
| [23:33:00] | xris: | marmoset: man, I don't archive anything that small. |
| [23:34:00] | xris: | 624x464 is as small as my things go (2% cropped, xvid-friendlier res) |
| [23:34:00] | Delemas_: | hmm anyone got rpm specs for RH fcX/el4 for current myth cvs available? |
| [23:34:00] | marmoset: | defaultro: it's used in nuvexport, you can take pvr output with a cutlist and remove the commercials without having to reencode |
| [23:34:00] | xris: | defaultro: part of nuvexport that lets you losslessly remove commercials from mpeg2 files. |
| [23:34:00] | xris: | Delemas_: http://atrpms.net/name/myth_cvs |
| [23:34:00] | marmoset: | xris: if you didn't seem my comment yesterday, the thing that fixed mpeg2cut for me was removing the output redirection on the avidemux lines |
| [23:35:00] | marmoset: | dunno why |
| [23:35:00] | xris: | sorry, http://atrpms.net/name/myth-cvs/ |
| [23:35:00] | Delemas_: | xris, that is a 404. atrpms doesn't even have 0.18 yet... |
| [23:35:00] | Delemas_: | oh |
| [23:35:00] | ** Delemas_ looks ** | |
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| [23:36:00] | xris: | it's pre-.18, though |
| [23:36:00] | xris: | I need to rewrite that spec at some point. |
| [23:36:00] | xris: | clean it up for axel to make it more generic. |
| [23:37:00] | ** xris needs more time for projects. ** | |
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| [23:38:00] | Delemas_: | I've already cleaned up that spec. I was hoping to avoid the 0.18 rework but I guess I should just do it... |
| [23:39:00] | Delemas_: | atrpms's wacked out macros drive me nuts... |
| [23:41:00] | Delemas_: | What would be really nice, is if I could figure out how to hack the spec so that the plugins would build against a new rpm build tree instead of against the one which was currently installed. |
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